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Wireless carriers around the world are sprinting to adopt 5G networks to power self-driving cars, virtual reality and smart cities. We’re talking about billions of devices on the same network, not just millions. First-adopter countries embracing 5G could sustain more than a decade of competitive advantage. Countries that adopt 5G first are expected to experience disproportionate gains in macroeconomic impact compared to those that lag. China’s Five-Year Plan calls for investing a further $400 billion in 5G and consequently, China may be creating a 5G tsunami, making it near impossible to catch up. Deloitte.

5G is a national productivity tool whose benefits, like those we derive from our railways, are less noticeable to end users yet critical to industry and commerce. 5G is 20 times faster than 4G, serves as the fast backbone of the “Internet of Things”(IoT), handles a million connected devices/km2 simultaneously with millisecond latency and uses power and radio frequencies more effectively with downloads of 20 gb/second, enabling smart factories and smart cities.

Gear based on the 5G stand-alone specifications, the standard China is pushing, is designed to run independently of 4G networks so operators will need to rebuild their core networks and buy new 5G base stations to provide higher data speeds and greater capacity, as well as ultra-reliable, low-latency services to support machine-to-machine connection and autonomous driving. Today, many new technologies like IoT and AI are ready for broad application and 5G technology itself is remarkably well developed. Once implemented, a 5G system provides an almost unimaginable increase in the capabilities of all internet-connected devices. Instead of new devices being standalone, they will create an internet-connected web of things to integrate their activities into an almost-living machine-machine and machine-human environment.

Imagine thousands of apps, billions of printable RF identifiers, millions of machine controls, automobiles and many processes that 5G’s low latency alone makes possible. 5G’s one millisecond reaction time is ten times faster than the human experience,which gives the man-machine interface a reactive ‘living’ feel. After a surgeon in China conducted the world’s first remote operation via a 5G network, Dr Michael Kranzfelder told the German Surgical College, “5G networks constitute a trend-setting technology which will play an important role in surgery and open many new applications for which the previous mobile data transmission standard was simply not fast enough.”

The 5G infrastructure market, $528 million in 2018, will grow at a 118 percent CAGR, reaching $26 billion in 2022. Direct and indirect outputs will reach $6.3 trillion and $10.6 trillion by 2030, according to IDC.

In return for millisecond latency, 10cm locational accuracy, blinding speed and wide bandwidth, 5G requires five times more cell sites than 4G. This is how installations stood at the end of 2018:

A crucial element of 5G deployment is the installation of new wireless sites, many of which must be placed on lamp posts and utility poles in densely populated areas. China dominates on that front. During 2017, China Tower, the state-owned cell phone tower operator, added 500 cell sites daily and now has two million wireless sites, compared to approximately 200,000 in the United States. “This disparity between the speed at which China and the United States can add network infrastructure and capacity bodes well for China’s prospects in the race to 5G,” Deloitte said.

Remarkably, only one company owns significant 5G intellectual property, controls its own silicon from end to end, produces all the elements of 5G networks–including proprietary chips–assembles and installs them affordably on a national scale: Huawei.

Non-Huawei customers must integrate more costly, less functional, less compatible and less upgradeable elements, pay twice as much, take twice as long to implement 5G and experience inferior service because Huawei produces every element of 5G systems and assembles turnkey networks–from antennas to the power stations needed to operate them to chips, servers and handsets–at scale and cost. It is literally unrivalled in enhanced mobile broadband.

Huawei employs 700 mathematicians, 800 physicists, 120 chemists and 6,000 fundamental researchers. Among its 87,805 patents, 11,152 core patents were granted in the US and the company has cross-licensing agreements for patents with many Western companies. Your Huawei phone is assembled with just 28.5 seconds of human labor in a high-end automated plant spread over 1.4 square km. Automation and technology upgrades have reduced the staff to 17 yet its more than 30 production lines produce 2 million smartphones every month:

In 2018 Huawei unveiled the world’s first 5G Base Station Chipset, Tiangang, which enables simplified 5G networks and large-scale network deployment. It makes breakthroughs in integration, computing capability and spectral bandwidth and supports the 200 MHz high spectral bandwidth required for future networks while running 2.5 times faster than existing products. Tiangang improves active antenna units (AAU) in a revolutionary way and cuts the weight of 5G base stations by half. Huawei has shipped over 25,000 5G base stations worldwide, deployed 5G networks in more than 10 countries and will deploy 5G in 20 countries in 2019.

Tiangang is not the company’s only trick. Andrei Frumusanu says Huawei’s semiconductor division, HiSilicon, is the only company to provide high-end competition with Qualcomm and, in some areas, is comfortably ahead. Its 7 nm Ascend 910 chipset for data centers is twice as powerful as Nvidia’s v100 and the first AI IP chip series to natively provide optimal TeraOPS per watt in all scenarios. Its 7nm ARM-based CPU, the Kunpeng 920 boosts the development of computing in big data, distributed storage, and ARM-native application scenarios by 20%. Its Kirin 980 CPU is the world’s first commercial 7nm system-on-chip (SoC) and the first to use Cortex-A76 cores, dual neural processing units, Mali G76 GPU, a 1.4 Gbps LTE modem and supports faster RAM. With 20 percent faster performance and 40 percent less power consumption compared to 10nm systems, it has twice the performance of Qualcomm’s Snapdragon 845 and Apple’s A11 while consuming 40% less power. The Kirin 980 fits 6.9 billion transistors on a chip no larger than a thumbnail. Huawei’s patented modem has the world’s fastest Wifi and its GPS receiver taps L5 frequency to deliver 10cm positioning and supports speeds up to 1.4Gbps and 2,133MHz LPDDR4X RAM.

Huawei’s 5G phone will launch in June this year. Apple will release its first 5G handset in September, 2020.

Beijing’s four telcos are spending 30 billion yuan (US$5.4 billion) on a 5G network in the city by 2022 and applying the technology to infrastructure like the new airport, the new satellite city and the 2022 Winter Olympics. The city, home to many of the country’s top tech companies, plans to achieve 200 billion yuan of 5G related revenue by 2022. Beijing has set up product innovation centers, special projects and manufacturing bases for developing the key components, including radio frequency parts and chips. The city aims to have its tech companies reach a 10 percent share in the global 5G component market. “Obtaining breakthroughs on developing core components for the 5G network and putting them into industrial use is the primary task for developing the 5G industry in the city,” says the mayor’s plan.

Xiongan New Area, a brand new city of six million located sixty miles from Beijing, which will welcome its first residents in 2020, is being wired for 5G. Residents will find no traffic lights, many autonomous vehicles, face recognition providing seamless access and be able to reach the capital via a driverless maglev train costing the same to build and operate as regular subways but traveling silently at 120 mph, with no moving parts. A literal city of the future, courtesy of 5G, Xiongan is designed to deliver the same relative productivity gains for its residents that the Industrial Revolution gave England’s in the 19th century.

The US labels Huawei a ‘security risk’ because Huawei gear protects the confidentiality of users’ communications: “Most of the personal data you store on your Huawei device (such as your photos, call logs, mailing list, messages, frequently visited websites, and so on) will be strictly protected. In addition, you will be clearly notified of any personal information being collected, and have complete control over the collection, processing, and sharing of your personal data. Without your authorization, your personal data will not be disclosed with any third parties.”

Snowden’s revelations suggest Huawei is more sinned against than sinning. The NSA’s ‘Tailored Access Operations’ unit broke into Huawei’s corporate servers and by 2010 was reading corporate emails and examining the source code in Huawei’s products.“We currently have good access and so much data that we don’t know what to do with it,” boasted one NSA briefing. Slides also disclosed that the NSA intended to plant its own backdoors in Huawei firmware. In 2014 the New York Times, Time and Reuters revealed that the NSA had infiltrated Huawei headquarters, monitored all of its executives and gone through the company’s entire data infrastructure.

One goal was to find links between Huawei and the PLA and the other was to find vulnerabilities so that the NSA could spy on nations through computer and telephone networks Huawei sold, as it did through Cisco’s, which had installed ‘back doors’ for the CIA. The Times said its story of operation Shotgiant was based on NSA documents provided by Edward Snowden. The NSA planned to unleash offensive cyber attacks through Huawei if ordered by the President, “Many of our targets communicate over Huawei-produced products. We want to make sure that we know how to exploit these products,” the Times quoted an NSA document as saying, to “gain access to networks of interest” around the world.

Bien Perez and Li Tao say, “The Chinese government wants every industry to use the most advanced infrastructure to upgrade productivity. This is a strategic agenda, and they think that 5G will help. China has very ambitious plans to promote the industrial internet of things, cloud computing and artificial intelligence (AI), the capabilities of which require the support of brand-new 5G networks. For example, self-driving cars require sensors, AI and roadside base stations for fast and reliable connectivity to allow vehicles to talk to each other to avoid collisions and avoid pedestrians. Today’s 4G networks cannot meet those quick response times.

China’s plan for an aggressive 5G roll-out is in line with the Made In China2025 road map. Initially, this focused on the domestic telecoms sector’s ability to increase broadband penetration nationwide to 82 per cent by 2025 as part of a push for industrial modernisation. Another objective was to see local suppliers making 40 percent of all mobile phone chips used in the domestic market. Under an updated version published in January, Beijing now wants China to become the world’s leading maker of telecoms equipment.

Smart factories will integrate the entire factory production process, arranging the smooth transfer from minimal energy, raw materials and water inputs and the just-in-time delivery of subcomponents to the optimised assembly line production of custom-designed-and-ordered by customers to the effective delivery of these products to the user and the continual (and maybe continuous) product reporting of its use, effectiveness and location. Smart cities will have driverless cars, buses and delivery trucks and ports and airports. The smart economy will have very fast HST intercity services, along with transparent data on the operation of mines, energy generation, transport, communications and government. Medical monitoring and the rise of the extended healthspan technology will free China from the dependency trap because people are likely to remain healthy all their lives using continuous medical assessment through an internet bangle.

President Trump has attacked the Made In China 2025 policy because the US, stuck in neoclassical macroeconomics, is committed to a system which not only does not produce the goods but also can’t afford the essential infrastructure required for the next major advance in the ongoing industrial revolution. The decision will put the Five Eyes countries ten years behind China in 5G and its associated technologies. The Germans correctly describe their version of China2025, Industrie04 as “the fourth industrial revolution.” The 5G stakes are so big that, if Germany rejects Huawei it risks committing economic suicide.

 
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  1. Excellent piece.

    President Trump has attacked the Made In China 2025 policy because the US, stuck in neoclassical macroeconomics, is committed to a system which not only does not produce the goods but also can’t afford the essential infrastructure required for the next major advance in the ongoing industrial revolution.

    Bingo!

  2. The sanctions against China is too little, too late by the US empire. The cat’s already out of the bag now. China can just create their own alternative ecosystem if the US tries to go to the mat. 10 years ago they could have strangled China. Not now.

    BTW, 5G is pretty overrated. Most of these “5G” technologies are just aggregated 4G streams into one (“multiband”). It won’t be until 2025 most of the world will see real 5G and even then it will be in small initial geographic dispersals.

    Lower latency is not that much of a big deal either (main sellingpoint of 5G). AI is a much more exciting thing.

    • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov
    , @Alfred
  3. Thomm says:

    This is a brilliant and informative article, and as a high-concept article, the comments are likely to remain refreshingly free from the typical “Jooooos is Bad” and “Imma WN wigger, obsessed with race; white women recoil when they see my face!” brand of commenters that serve as a pestilence on most other articles.

    Thanks,
    -Ira Rabinowitz

  4. peterAUS says:

    Wow……impressive.
    As everything Beijing does, we know that already, from the author.

    Two minor….totally minor issues, perhaps, remain re this technological paradise:
    =loss of manufacturing jobs
    -privacy/surveillance state

    Oh, wait….won’t be problem for the regime in Beijing. They’ll manage it. Use the later for the former. First see who’s unhappy. That “social credit” is a good example.
    And, then, “re-educate” them. Pilot already running well with Uighurs.

    All good….for some people.

    Waiting to see the author’s articles, soon, advising unhappy Westerners to move in China. He’ll follow, in due time.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Anonymous
  5. @Thulean Friend

    10 years ago they could have strangled China. Not now.

    A matter for debate–in a larger scheme of things, especially after blatant support for Saakashvili and his eventual humiliation in the war of 080808, it became patently clear that “Empire” was not ready to face any peer (or near peer) competition. China learned that fast and after that it wouldn’t matter anyway since American deindustrialization by then was in irreversible mode, while Russia’s role as energy and strategic backup for China was already being implemented. Attempts to sabotage China’s ascent may have created some difficulties and slow down it a bit but no strangling was possible at that point. Chinese saw and lived through hardships Americans can not even grasp. By 2009 the US was also clearly bogged down in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    BTW, 5G is pretty overrated.

    Maybe it is true but industrial economy is not and that’s the whole point. One of the last American crown jewels of micro-electronics is fast losing its shine. Other than that, what else can US possibly offer China what the rest of the world can not? Aircraft? For now–sure. What happens when CR 929 hits the market? Airbus is also happy to oblige any minute. The real game of the free trade–an American shtick for last decades–is not selling some crappy financial concoction invented at the Wall Street by Goldman Sachs’ boys–one must have goods which everyone needs to sell. Fashioning air and snake oil as a viable product doesn’t work anymore.

    I knew things were not rosy for the US but then I learned that commercial shipbuilding in US is non-existent and, most likely, non-revivable, then came this:

    Inadequate U.S. Skilled Labor Supply
    The U.S. machine tools sector lacks assured access to a sufficiently large pool of skilled labor.
    Many skilled workers are exiting the workforce due to age, and there are too few technical
    educational programs to train those who could take their place. Without concerted action
    that provides both a ready workforce and a continuously-charged pipeline of new employees,
    the U.S. will not be able to maintain the large, vibrant, and diverse machine tools sector
    needed to produce the required number and types of products when needed.

    from here:

    https://media.defense.gov/2018/Oct/05/2002048904/-1/-1/1/ASSESSING-AND-STRENGTHENING-THE-MANUFACTURING-AND-DEFENSE-INDUSTRIAL-BASE-AND-SUPPLY-CHAIN-RESILIENCY.PDF

    I deal with this problem on a daily basis. The hell is coming–courtesy of the pseudo-economists and other “sociologists” who preached this imbecilic gospel of post-industrialism. I am not sure that, seeing how Trump is sabotaged left-and-right, anything could be done to seriously address this issue. Most youth (75%) doesn’t see itself on manufacturing floor or in any STEM related position. Long story…

  6. Jamie_NYC says:

    Excellent propaganda piece, and, strangely enough, written in flawless English!

  7. anon[203] • Disclaimer says:
    @peterAUS

    He’ll follow, in due time.

    Yes, the article’s penultimate paragraph reveals a Kool-Aid promoter. Disclosure: I love my Huawei burner phone!

  8. If the US had a competitive technology it wouldn’t be reduced to hostage-taking. The technology is anyway only a pretext for the real conflict: international derision for unilateral US sanctions. The G-192 (the world, that is) just blows off unilateral sanctions like the illegal US blockade of Iran. The US has resorted to coercive interference with SWIFT. The EU countered by replacing SWIFT. In a last-ditch flucht nach forne, the US attacked a high-profile target of opportunity: an individual Chinese national (because the US can no longer take on China directly.) China and Europe have the same unanswerable response: Measures not involving the use of armed force are subject to UN Charter Article 41. If you want to make your measures binding on sovereign states, take them to the Security Council. Till then, fuck off.

  9. @Jamie_NYC

    A written rebuttal–even in flawed English–is always more useful on this forum and more welcome than ad hominem attacks.

    • Agree: jacques sheete
    • Replies: @eah
    , @Svigor
  10. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:

    One of the last American crown jewels of micro-electronics is fast losing its shine.

    This is an important point. One of the few technological areas the US had a clear lead over the Soviets in was microelectronics, specifically mass produced microelectronics and thus increased transistor density which leads to the higher clockspeed of computers, signal processing capabilities, avionics, and stuff like adaptive optics (microcomputers are also directly applied in NC machine tools in industry). The Soviets made up for this one area by a much broader spectrum of high technology. The Soviets also could always batch produce small quantities of the very best microelectronics, since their expertise (in physics, chemistry, materials science) was higher. It was just a question of perfecting the mass production of it (the particular kind of precision tooling, clean rooms, quality control practices) to such a degree of uniformity so as to mass produce it cheaply – that was something American industry perfected in the period from WWII to the Apollo program. Also, due to economic problems Soviets did not build enough production plants for microelectronics, so there was a production bottleneck on top of it. But the “technology” was in fact developed (just that actual components were in short supply).

    Basically, since the Bell Labs system was destroyed in the 70s/80s, the US has “invented” nothing comparable. No interesting mechanisms (like the advances in WWII electro-mechanical fire control systems, servomechanisms and automatic control), no fundamentally new devices, no really new materials, etc. The US decided to just completely exploit an existing area (microelectronics – in one of those rare situations in which tiny advances in one narrow area automatically lead to “revolutionary” capabilities elsewhere (towards lower weight and power consumption) just because they are all related to a common device, the transistor) until now when semiconductors have reached a physical dead end, and on the other hand import Japanese machine tools for producing its own military equipment (e.g., atomic submarines). Soviets were ahead in: the automatic docking of spacecraft, virtually all parts of robotics and electro-mechanical (as opposed to purely solid state electronic) systems, hybrid computers instead of purely digital computers, photodetectors (lead-salt detectors used in military and IRST systems) used in homing devices, portable power plants (like the Pamir-3U device). Fundamentally new device schemes and even whole parts of fundamental science close to technology – nonlinear optics, “chaos in dynamical systems”, sustained thermonuclear fusion (the tokamak fusion trap), and ion (Hall effect) electrostatic thrusters (that are still the key to deep space propulsion), the “synchrotron” method of particle acceleration, were invented by Soviets.

    That is to say: the US altered the nature of its technology base around the 1970s. Instead of expanding on a very broad front as in WWII, it relied on a single technology (that of microelectronics) with the belief that this is the most important part of the “technology base”. This it true in some ways: it is the most important base for increasing the economic effectiveness of ordinary (not high-performance) products, and so the most important base for boosting the economy as a whole. It improves the vast majority of the products that circulate in the economy. Production processes get far quicker and more efficient, energy consumption is reduced, etc. It is also crucial for discovering oil prospects (which depends heavily on microelectronics and general information processing) — this is why Russia still inherits this dependence on Exxon (but also why it has no good reasons for continuing to do so).

    Thus if the US loses its predominance in microelectronics, it has nothing left.

  11. peterAUS says:
    @Jamie_NYC

    Excellent propaganda piece, and, strangely enough, written in flawless English!

    Well, even the “slant-eye” Commies in Beijing can learn how the proper propaganda works.
    Just hire a native speaker.

    Still, as I’ve said before, some polishing is required there.
    They haven’t really mastered the very basics: you MIX critique and praise. That mixing is where the real masters of prop…I mean informing, show their skills.

    We’ll see…..

  12. Yee says:

    I think 5G is important in the next generation of auto-operating machineries. Not self-driving cars, but self-operating production tools, like farming machines, mining machines, factory machines, that sort, it’d lead to a whole new system of equipments. Getting a head start might be crucial, and 5G is just providing infrastructure for that possibility.

    “Spying on people” is just bull’sh#t, it’s not like the US had any trouble spying on even Merkel.

    Despite all the big talk of “free market and competition” by the Americans, they don’t truly believe in competition, they believe in physically take out their competitor, just like the mafia.

    • Agree: animalogic, Miggle
  13. Pft says:

    People would do well to boycott 5G IMO. The health concerns are real yet are being ignored despite a petition by 26,000 concerned scientists and doctors. Of course, there will be nowhere to hide once fully rolled out as the entire ecosystem will be microwaved

    • Agree: bike-anarkist
  14. Anon[248] • Disclaimer says:

    Although I think the Huawei attacks by the Pence Admin are completely politically motivated, and the arrest of the CFO is preposterous, I’m not completely opposed to the idea of nurturing our homegrown champions to compete with Huawei, instead of being dependent on China to supply us with new tech. Why isn’t Cisco leading anymore?

    If Huawei is really that wonderful, then good, let China win this battle. But if this ends up creating a new US champion to compete with them head on and lead us into 6G, then we will be better off down the road.

    • Replies: @denk
    , @Regula
  15. Anon[248] • Disclaimer says:
    @Yee

    Despite all the big talk of “free market and competition” by the Americans, they don’t truly believe in competition, they believe in physically take out their competitor, just like the mafia.

    Sort of agree with you there, that’s what this take down of Huawei smacks of. I think the US should compete fair and square. This goon tactic engineered by the Pence admin is truly shameful. But Zionists know no shame. The end always justifies the means for them.

  16. Please do not insult the Mafia. Compared to the people in the government, politics, and the media the mob is a very honorable profession. As far as a propaganda piece everyone can judge that for themselves. 5G may not be as good as some people believe it will be. The intelligence agencies control all technology in the US and as someone once told be it will be released when and how they want it to be. Check all Intel and AMD chips and see what backdoors and other stuff are built into them.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @Biff
  17. Microwave says:

    5G Wireless Radiation Dangers

  18. @peterAUS

    ‘Excellent propaganda piece, and, strangely enough, written in flawless English!

    Well, even the “slant-eye” Commies in Beijing can learn how the proper propaganda works.
    Just hire a native speaker…

    It’s unclear to me how it would actually serve Chinese interests to advertise what a formidable competitor they’ve become.

    While I’m unconvinced China is quite as advanced as the article implies, I fail to see any reason to believe it is propaganda — at least, not propaganda written on behalf of China. When Kennedy ran on the purported ‘missile gap,’ did that demonstrate he was a Soviet agent?

    China is, if not ahead, rapidly getting ahead. Meanwhile, we sit on our ass and dismiss the mounting evidence of that as ‘propaganda.’ Curiously, I imagine the Chinese of the eighteenth century must have told themselves much the same thing about the swiftly advancing West.

    They had to learn the hard way. Maybe we’ll have to as well.

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
  19. @niteranger

    ‘…Check all Intel and AMD chips and see what backdoors and other stuff are built into them.’

    Anyway, aren’t Intel chips engineered in Israel? I fail to see why that would be an improvement over letting the Chinese engineer them.

    • Replies: @niteranger
  20. Biff says:
    @niteranger

    Please do not insult the Mafia. Compared to the people in the government, politics, and the media the mob is a very honorable profession.

    Courteous and family oriented they did a much better job running Las Vegas.

  21. nexus321 says:
    @Pft

    One of the only comments of real relevance. 5G is going to cook us all. Not sure who the winners will be.

    • Replies: @Shaun
  22. RobRich says: • Website

    Libertarians just concluded a confidential seminar in DC on 7G.

    One presentation was on which countries would meet libertarianist policy improvement to get the benefit. Other experts thought 7G was an important step in space colonization and life extension.

    7G. Look for it.

  23. Tyrion 2 says:

    What’s the point of 5G? Building an entirely new infrastructure for something without a point seems very Chinese.

    • Replies: @Sollipsist
    , @Vidi
    , @paranoidgoy
  24. danand says:

    Anyone know offhand what Geneva recommends as to the use of EMP’s (HPM’s)? Are there already stockpiles armed and ready, itching, in the apocryphal “hidden bunkers”?

  25. @Tyrion 2

    Get with the program – tech is sold on the basis of future predictions of usefulness, not current needs. The whole scam is to profit from getting half of the world dependent on already obsolete next generation technology, while developing next next generation technology that will change everything at some as-yet-undetermined future date. Rinse and repeat.

    5G will start to really catch on right about the time that 6G (or whatever) is the next big thing. It would be a laugh except for the landfills, cancer, and proprietary monopolies.

  26. Alfred says:
    @Thulean Friend

    AI is a much more exciting thing.

    The professors told me that when I was IT manager of a well-known international business school outside Paris around 35 years ago. 🙂

    • Replies: @Bill
  27. anonymous[392] • Disclaimer says:
    @peterAUS

    PeterAus, you are starting to repeat yourself over and over but you never back it up with anything of substance. Just ad hominem attacks. I know you are a bitter Anglo who is seeing the end of your era, and will bitterly cry about the ascent of anyone else. But no one else cares what you think.

    China will go on advancing their country, while your country falls apart.

  28. Icy Blast says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    We don’t hear much from the “post-industrialist” and “sunset industry” journalist-idiots anymore, but I agree that “post-industrialism” was one of the stupidest ideas ever publicly championed. Now it is apparently too late to undo the horrific damage done. Here in the U.S.A. we’ve moved on to new fatal fantasies and lethal lies.

    • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov
  29. @Anonymous

    Yep. When they took Jensen out, that was it. (Not being sarcastic here, take it as a statement without affect.) It was a clear statement that “political reality” superceded all else.

    Political reality is incompatible with any other sort of reality. I once attended a lecture, University of Washington, in which a Democrat enforcer discussed the Challenger loss. He said, briefly, that the Challenger loss (and the loss of its crew) was not important, because it was the result of political reality. Briefly, Thiokol’s inclusion was necessary to get the votes to fund the Shuttle program, and that meant the solid rocket boosters (SRB) had to be made in segments _so that they could be shipped by truck_. At the time of Challenger’s loss, Thiokol was building an SRB plant in Louisiana that could ship completed SRB by barge to Canaveral, but the plant was not yet completed when Challenger was lost.

    Think about it. A crew dead, a (pardon the expression) deathtrap authorized, funded, built, and operated (even after the loss) _because of political reality_. The political reality, actually, amounted to lying to the American population (and the world) about US space capability _because the bureacuracy (excepting DoD) did not want US space capability_, and was willing to spend only the bare minimum needed to convincingly lie.

    That was standard for _any_ technological advance since, oh, about Kennedy’s time. I’ve seen it in several other places first hand.

    Why? Well, if you are on the Left, you are in the business of buying cheap votes — the votes of the poor, the fringes — and getting free votes, those whose only skill is politics. Being anti-realist (reality may exist but we can’t know it) and anti- individualist (“individuals” are the real time function of groups) means that you can do the above (cheap votes, no-talent staffing) and sleep nights.

    It also means that progress in engineering and science stops, except in areas that cannot be applied such as astronomy and recondite areas such as mathematics. Other areas are starved for capital and, at best, are developed in countries that don’t surpress engineering and established plant.

    And, as Anonymous[375] says, eventually you’re left with only microelectronics, and then not even that. What are the implications?

    Soviet era joke:
    Two Russians are walking through a scene of rural desolation — broken tractors, piles of fertilizer that wasn’t spread, barns with holes in their roofs, etc.
    Ivan: Boris, Russia is the richest land on Earth! Has to be! No other land is as rich as we!
    Boris: You drunk again? Rich? Just look around you!
    Ivan: No, it’s the richest country ever. Seventy years since the Revolution, and there’s still something left to steal!

    Well, it’s about 70 years since WW II. Look at any major US city, or inland California. Maybe today the joke could be told about the US.

    Counterinsurgency

  30. Concerning the article:

    There’s a very very old saying:
    Brag when you’re taking your armor off (that is, after the fight).

    The things you say you will do are harder than they look.

    Counterinsurgency

  31. onebornfree says: • Website

    Godfree Roberts says: “Most of the personal data you store on your Huawei device (such as your photos, call logs, mailing list, messages, frequently visited websites, and so on) will be strictly protected. In addition, you will be clearly notified of any personal information being collected, and have complete control over the collection, processing, and sharing of your personal data. Without your authorization, your personal data will not be disclosed with any third parties.”

    Yeah right, “strictly protected” my ass.

    If you really believe that I’ve got some ocean front property in Nevada to sell you. 🙂

    The naivete on display here amazes me. This is all about a little something called “total surveillance”.

    Regards, onebornfree

  32. While the Chinese make quantum advances in tech, we are content with piling up more sanctions, launch cyber warfare and instruct our lackeys to kidnap their CEOs. Typical defeatist, trigger happy cowboy mentality.

    • Agree: Moi
    • Replies: @Seraphim
  33. Miggle says:
    @Pft

    I haven’t previously encountered any mention of 5G health concerns. Are they real? And where can I find a copy of that petition, naming the 26,000 concerned scientists and doctors? Petitioning for what?

  34. gdpbull says:

    “Most of the personal data you store on your Huawei device (such as your photos, call logs, mailing list, messages, frequently visited websites, and so on) will be strictly protected. In addition, you will be clearly notified of any personal information being collected, and have complete control over the collection, processing, and sharing of your personal data. Without your authorization, your personal data will not be disclosed with any third parties.”

    And if you believe that, ________ (fill in the blank)

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  35. @Anonymous

    Thus if the US loses its predominance in microelectronics, it has nothing left.

    Oh, I don’t know if that is true..
    The US also has a solid industrial base exporting violence, debt and really, really bad television and movies.

    So there is that…

    • LOL: follyofwar
  36. @peterAUS

    Well, even the “slant-eye” Commies in Beijing can learn how the proper propaganda works.
    Just hire a native speaker.

    Yeah, but how many people can read Hebrew?

  37. Tom Welsh says:
    @Jamie_NYC

    What’s “strange” about the flawless English? Haven’t you yet realised that the average Chinese person speaks English as a foreign language much better than the average American as a first language?

    • LOL: eah
  38. Anonymous[469] • Disclaimer says:
    @peterAUS

    Waiting to see the author’s articles, soon, advising unhappy Westerners to move in China. He’ll follow, in due time.

    To be fair, a lot of westerners do move to China and have a whale of a time. I remember an Australian in Shangai who was drowning in pussy and loving every minute of it.

  39. Anonymous[469] • Disclaimer says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    America needs to die before it can be reborn. It’s good for the world that we have China to carry the torch while America is undergoing it’s turmoil.

    • Replies: @follyofwar
    , @teotoon
  40. Shaun says:
    @nexus321

    They will just spin it that mutations are sexy. Kids born with polydactylism? Make new clothing lines with gloves that have extra fingers. Grew an extra arm? Shirts with three arm holes. Reemergence of cyclopia? Bring monocles back into fashion.
    In all seriousness though, if a smart meter can kill all the vegetation around it, what do these people think will happen when every square inch of earth is covered in these 5g towers? Even if we dont ourselves cook from it, im pretty sure it poses a massive threat to plantlife and other organisms who arent as resistant to heavy duty microwave radiation. How long could humans survive with no plants? There wont be any winners.

  41. With increasing automation and AI, who is left that will have a job and income? Recently, researchers have found a huge collapse os the insect populations around the world, including photo-plankton. What effect will this ubiquitous radiation have on various forms of life?

    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/05/where-have-all-insects-gone

    Welcome to The Matrix.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  42. Renoman says:

    I owned a Huawei phone for many years, it ran flawlessly, I felt I should upgrade a while back and have been sorry ever since. Huawei is the stuff, don’t waste your time on that other junk.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  43. @Yee

    Despite all the big talk of “free market and competition” by the Americans, they don’t truly believe in competition, they believe in physically take out their competitor, just like the mafia.

    Nice summary.

    The concept applies to all the other yapping about “freedom” too. The only freedoms that really matter to those in power are their own, and it’s always been that way. Just don’t bother trying to convince a “patriot.”

  44. @Shaun

    How long could humans survive with no plants?

    Who needs plants? We hyoomanz have survived, and even thrived, on mythology for millennia and by now are heavily selected to continue that for virtually ever.

  45. @Poupon Marx

    Recently, researchers have found a huge collapse os the insect populations around the world

    I remember, and have often remarked about, the summer days when we had to clean our windshields of bugs after a 25 mile drive while now we don’t need to until we’ve gone hundreds of miles. When I was a kid, the forests were full of noise and activity from birds and insects too. Now, the same wild places are almost completely devoid of both sound and activity.

  46. @Anonymous

    Good post.

    Soviets were ahead in: the automatic docking of spacecraft, virtually all parts of robotics and electro-mechanical (as opposed to purely solid state electronic) systems, hybrid computers instead of purely digital computers, photodetectors

    Many people still do not know that USSR pioneered satellite television (Orbita-1, 2 etc.) and was almost contemporary with US in activating space-based (satellite) navigation (positioning) systems, such as Parus and Cicada. I omit here fundamental research in materials, from building largest fully titanium-made objects on Earth such as pr. 945 SSGNs (NATO Sierra-class) to new composites. So, the list is long and many people even today can not understand where this whole Russian-made revolution in weapons came from, while anyone who actually studied both USSR and contemporary Russia had no problems anticipating it. As per China, as much as China’s economic success is undeniable and is massively impressive, there is still a “waiting period” for emergence as a true global power, which may come only after full cutting to size of the United States–a task which China currently is not ready (if ever) to undertake due to some purely cultural and technological problems. China certainly tries to do this Den’s thing of the monkey sitting on the tree watching two tigers fight below, but that time is long pass and Russia fights the US very pragmatically. In fact, if to view some results of recent massive Vostok-2018 strategic maneuvers many questions remain about the quality of Chinese military power as to the Chinese claims in other fields–such as aerospace.

  47. eah says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    The only thing even close to “ad hominem” (and it’s not all that close) in the comment is this: written in flawless English! — that is not an ‘attack’ — it is a compliment — describing (accurately, IMO) the tenor of the article as equivalent to what you’d expect to see in a “propaganda piece” is not an ‘ad hominem attack’ — it just describes the tenor of the article — you might want to make a note of this.

    BTW, don’t you think this part is just maybe perhaps a little bit übertrieben?

    … if Germany rejects Huawei it risks committing economic suicide.

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  48. @Icy Blast

    Now it is apparently too late to undo the horrific damage done. Here in the U.S.A. we’ve moved on to new fatal fantasies and lethal lies.

    It is both interesting and terrifying question to ponder. The US shedding its manufacturing capacity under the non-ending post-industrialism tune of imbecile “economists” in such a historically unprecedented short time is a greatest testament of suicide by delusions in every single aspect: economy, military, culture, what have you. Unprecedented, I lived in the US for 25 years (quarter of a century)–I cannot recognize the country I used to know anymore. The last step could be final demolition of the Republic and then who knows what it all comes down to. Re-industrialization (a real one, not propaganda BS) in the US can not be done by the efforts of just business–it requires a strong state, precisely the structure which is viewed as, in the words of Reagan, “the problem”. But that is an issue of historic policy change–an act current US elite is simply unqualified for.

  49. @Shaun

    They will just spin it that mutations are sexy.

    They already do that. Look at the gagogenic (barfagogic) garbage that gets the press and wins the “sexy” awards…and what’s “trendy”…

  50. The last thing the robber barons will ever consider is the devastating effects of 5G on the human body.
    It’s all about the money baby..
    https://www.winterwatch.net/2019/01/5g-beast-endocrine-disruptors-and-eugenics/

  51. Imagine a technology deployment that will bathe the populace in a non-stop barrage of non-ionising radiation, like no other technology to date has done. Can’t wait to see the uptick in cancer deaths while actuaries try to figure out if the flu jab has failed yet again.

  52. @Miggle

    https://www.saferemr.com/2017/08/5g-wireless-technology-millimeter-wave.html

    Mull on that also while at the Airport, reading those BS signs about the safety of MMW scanners.

  53. SteveM says:

    Xiongan New Area, a brand new city of six million located sixty miles from Beijing, which will welcome its first residents in 2020, is being wired for 5G. Residents will find no traffic lights, many autonomous vehicles, face recognition providing seamless access and be able to reach the capital via a driverless maglev train costing the same to build and operate as regular subways but traveling silently at 120 mph, with no moving parts.

    That block of text reeks of propaganda. China plans on moving 200,000,000 peasants from the countryside into their ghost cities. Where they not only will find no traffic lights, they will also find no jobs.

    Those minimally educated peasants will be crammed into the Xiongan high rises to do exactly what for a living?

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  54. Over 90 percent of the PHD thesis and Masters thesis on 5G MIMO CHANNELS in the US are written by Chinese Legal Immigrants….Hindu Legal Immigrants…and Muslim Legal Immigrants…..

    While…..THE WORKING CLASS NATIVE BORN WHITE CHRISTIAN AMERICAN TEENAGE MALE POPULATION is sent off to the Middle East for de-limbing Canon Fodder for GREATER ISRAEL…..

    These are the very very nasty consequences of the interaction of the post-1965 policy of importing Asian and Muslim LEGAL immigrants and the tracking of WORKING CLASS NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICAN TEENAGE MALES into a canon fodder career with IQ Tests…..

    • Replies: @Reuben Kaspate
  55. Neuday says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    But we do have one helluva welfare state! Have you seen all the happy POCs from around the world, so happy to be productive Americans?

  56. Bill says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    It depends on what you mean by “can’t.” In terms of physical possibility, the US definitely can invest in infrastructure, population health, real education, &c and could recover. In terms of political possibility, probably not. The parasitic elites are not motivated to slow down their blood sucking long enough for their host to recover.

    • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov
    , @SteveM
  57. Bill says:
    @Alfred

    Agree. AI has been “coming any minute” since about 1973. Today, we have just given up and declared AI to mean whatever software companies happen to be selling. So, it’s here.

  58. Che Guava says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    I also have read of USSR’s science, mathematics (including applicable), technology, and education. Very impressive.

    On a more mundane level, my favourite film camera was a Zenit TL, shutter a little too slow for fast motion in very bright light (1/500 s), shutter very loud, so only one chance if taking a shot of a wild creature.

    Otherwise, a perfect SLR, and very sturdy, unfortunately some arsehole stole mine when I was overseas many years ago.

    There is an interesting second-hand camera shop near my current workplace, the prices of second-hand good former eastern-bloc, Japanese, and German cameras (120 and 35 mm, other formats, unless you cut and develop your own film, seem to be dead) have exploded in the last 10 years. I took a friend to the window display before dining together recently, also a fan of such things, a Soviet stereoscopic one was abt. equivalent to 8,000 US dollars, we were amazed at the price escalation. Ten years ago, would have been equivalent to two or three hundred. Some moron that never uses will likely buy it at some time (after arguing the price down a little), just as a decoration, it sure has a great retro-future look.

    Excuse my anecdotal posting.

    BTW, posts of ‘official’ Unz Review commentators have a yellow-beigey colour.

    Does yours being without that mean that Mr. Unz is no longer posting anything from you?

    Regards.

    • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov
  59. Bill says:
    @Yee

    Why is 5G important for autonomous production tools? I’m having trouble imagining why an autonomous tractor or combine harvester would work with 5G but would not work with 4G.

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  60. @Andrei Martyanov

    It’s worse than that. Every critical sector of our civilization is facing the same thing, from pneumatics to hydraulics, from electricity generation to electrical distribution, from water purification to wastewater treatment, there is a profound generational skills shortage. Our nation has been deliberately sabotaged and the future will assuredly not be a bright one. The good news however is that since so many kids who might otherwise have been productive are instead given a complete indoctrination in racial and sex egalitarianism, we will all be able to squat around the campfires made from particleboard stripped from houses and sing “we shall overcome” together..

    • Agree: Andrei Martyanov
    • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov
  61. @Andrei Martyanov

    Can you elaborate on those “purely cultural and technological problems?”

    Thanks!

  62. @Bill

    definitely can invest in infrastructure, population health, real education, &c and could recover.

    United States has one of the highest (if not the highest) per capita expenses in education in the world.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-education-spending-tops-global-list-study-shows/

    US school education is dismal. So, the answer is not in money, United States has highest military budget of next 10 countries combined, yet, show me serious military success, the wars won, with this enormous expenditure. What about weapons that do not work and do not satisfy even lowest tactical and operational requirements against competent opposition? And then again–to “invest” what? Paper printed by mint? Virtual money which are not there, especially against the background of accelerating dedollarization? Finally, WHO will do this? Have you checked lately who runs the United States ? Any opinions on utterly corrupt political system which is in the process of the soft coup? Other than that–everything is peachy.

    • Replies: @Bill
  63. @Colin Wright

    I fail to see any reason to believe it is propaganda — at least, not propaganda written on behalf of China.

    Agree, it’s much closer to an infomercial for Huawei. It vastly oversells the benefits of 5G and ignores that much of what it purports to do is already done faster by fiber optics. It cites Apple’s A11 chip ignoring that Apple has already produced and commercialized the A12.

    5G is an advancement for sure, it will offer copper-like transmission speeds wirelessly and thus potentially disrupts the market for copper based communications while extending the capability to mobile devices and machines (ie vehicles, tractors, roaming automatons, etc).

    But as Apple earnings just showed us, the market isn’t demanding anything faster than an Apple 6S or 7 mobile handset. Farms are doing just fine with GPS tech currently sold. And autonomous over the road cars and trucks face hurdles that 5G alone cannot overcome.

    5G is not going to provide us with more qualified HVAC technicians when our furnaces fail during a cold snap, nor will it climb poles to replace blown transformers. It won’t service crumbling water infrastructure. Perhaps what it will do best is provide ambulance chasers of the future a replacement for Bayer/Monsanto glyphosate compensatory and punitive damages..

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @Anon
  64. @Che Guava

    BTW, posts of ‘official’ Unz Review commentators have a yellow-beigey colour.
    Does yours being without that mean that Mr. Unz is no longer posting anything from you?

    Oh no, absolutely not–I just have couple of more or less relatively free days and enjoy communicating with other (sane) people on these boards. I simply don’t have time to write simultaneously another book, for my blog, and for Unz. Here is some explanation:

    http://smoothiex12.blogspot.com/2019/01/saturation.html

    I may submit, however, some fragments of the new book, will see if Ron will accept them.

    As per “yelllow-beigey color”–what’s wrong in pointing out China’s achievements and strong points? It is patently clear that China is the largest economy in the world. This alone merits a discussion.

    BTW, Russia resumed Zenit manufacturing.

    • Replies: @Che Guava
  65. @Andrei Martyanov

    Can you elaborate on those “purely cultural and technological problems?”

    And also on

    China certainly tries to do this Den’s thing of the monkey sitting on the tree watching two tigers fight below, but that time is long pass and Russia fights the US very pragmatically. In fact, if to view some results of recent massive Vostok-2018 strategic maneuvers many questions remain about the quality of Chinese military power as to the Chinese claims in other fields–such as aerospace.

    My impression has been that China still does not really take on America head on anywhere near as much as Russia does. I wonder why.

    I recall you wrote that Russia makes its own CPUs, and before reading that, I had already known of Elbrus. But Elbrus, according to what I read, still goes to TSMC (in Taiwan) for fabrication.

    I’ve also heard and read that one of China’s main weaknesses is jet engines/metallurgy. Like, China still cannot manufacture a very high quality car. Almost certainly, Russia is much better with jet engines, but I don’t know about cars. I don’t know of any brand name Russian car.

    And China still depends on US companies for much of its microelectronics. Still, it has Loongson, which I read made the microelectronics for the Beidou satellite navigation system, which some say is now more accurate than GPS.

    Certainly, China cannot compare with USSR/Russia. Mostly, China still lacks genuine innovation and pioneering in science and technology. Nothing close to, say, Sputnik, which was really monumental. But China does have sufficient expertise, foundation, and scale to do later on what the superpowers have already done. Something which China has now though, which almost certainly no other country has, is face recognition put into production. It’s now done at hotels, etc against one’s id card photo. Still, nothing all that fancy there, just a neural network trained and optimized on a high volume of face training data. And the company Megvii that created that almost certainly depends on Nvidia for its GPUs.

    I would say that perhaps Beidou, once it’s fully rolled out, would put China on the verge of superpower status. Then, jet engines and microelectronics and more importantly, cultivation of a world-class independent ecosystem for both basic science and industrial/military R&D are much larger obstacles. Not to mention developing the right political posture and global cultural projection as far as international relations and influence are concerned. USSR had Comintern and Warsaw Pact and its own alliance system which China was part of. China I still cannot foresee creating anything close to that in the near future.

    • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov
  66. @Andrei Martyanov

    Andrie

    At 5:45 AM…waiting on line at the Deli to pay for morning coffee….I had almost the exact same thought as you….within a very small epsilon of what you wrote above……it was like being hit in the head with a baseball bat….

    It was a deliberate policy decision by the WHITE LIBERAL GREEDY CHEATING CLASS….the same Class that is attempting to homo-pedophile-pederast norm American Society.

    The 1960s Counter Culture was a cancer on American Society…A very compelling case can be made that the CIA was responsible for this when it introduced LSD ..through Dr. Leary…to America’s Youth……Perhaps there has been irreversible epigenetic changes on the chromatin of White Christian America induced by LSD…marijuana….cocaine…..the faggot Beatles….the faggot Rolling Stones….

    Russia should expect open threats of thermonuclear annihilation from Sheboon POTUS Michelle Obama……the day after the POTUS Inauguration in January 2021…..

  67. @Stan d Mute

    Our nation has been deliberately sabotaged

    Part of it was deliberate, large part–was a result of the political and economic policies endemic to the laisseze faire capitalism.

  68. Anonymous[264] • Disclaimer says:
    @Pft

    Yes, we don’t need 5G. Or, it should be introduced very cautiously and slowly. I’m amazed at how many people are so blasé about the potential negative health effects related to 5G.

    • Agree: Che Guava
  69. Che Guava says:

    Pft,

    I have been reading about the effects of electromagnetic radiation for many years. At the start of my reading, what was to become the mobile phone system was not anywhere, except a few people with gigantic bricks, and what we called ‘ポッケベル’ or pocket bell, and in English-speaking countries, pagers (although the latter were far more boring for interfaces, etc.).

    The frequencies in use, times of transmission,etc., were not particularly dangerous.

    I will digress here. In the low-frequency range, negative health effects have been found from standard A.C. transmission frequencies to household A.C. to very low (near Earth-resonant) frequencies.

    Soviets did good research on this topic. Others have too. Sleeping on an electric blanket with it switched on is not a good idea in the long term, but, like smoking cigarettes as I do (not in chain), isn’t necessarily going to kill you at an accelerated pace, just a risk factor.

    When pregnant, turn the blanket off before sleeping!

    Between the relatively low frequencies that have been demonstrated to cause harm and the higher frequencies that also do (too much exposure to gamma rays will kill you, not turn you into the Hulk, likewise X-rays, lower freq. ‘soft’ or higher freq. ‘hard’).

    At my workplace, we have many non-shielded circuit boards operating at very high frequencies, in a cigarette break, I and a Vietnamese coleague were discussing our very similar ‘allergy’ symptoms (what we are both told is an allergy of unknown origin, when going to a doctor). I was not saying anything of what follows at the time, because I was letting it settle in my brain.

    I think that it is from electro-magnetic radiation for both of us.

    Wave-particle duality is a fact from German physics, the higher the energy or frequency of electromagnetic radiation, the more its nature is particulate. Gamma rays physically behave much more as particles in interaction with matter than as waves.

    I have directly heard second-hand stories of sailors dying because of staying close to early microwave-band radars (being cooked), because the beam made them feel warm.

    Have no reason to doubt the people who were telling me of that.

    So Pft, you certainly have a point.

    • Replies: @Belisarius
  70. Anonymous[264] • Disclaimer says:
    @Pft

    Here’s a link to a Harvard University case study about how the FCC is a captured regulatory agency, largely by the wireless/cellular industry. The 1996 Telecommunications Act makes it nearly impossible for Americans to fight the placement of cell towers. Opposition based on concerns of potential health risks or loss of property values is virtually not allowed.

    https://ethics.harvard.edu/files/center-for-ethics/files/capturedagency_alster.pdf

  71. wayfarer says:

    Plumbers and Electricians Will Be Last to Get Replaced by AI Robots

    source: https://interestingengineering.com/ai-expert-claims-plumbers-and-electricians-will-be-last-to-get-replaced-by-robots

    Something Unbelievable Is Happening Worldwide

    Elon Musk’s Last Warning About Artificial Intelligence

    • Agree: Agent76
    • Replies: @Agent76
  72. It looks as if China is poised to become the top dog in the world, provided that it doesn’t eat itself up thinking it’s a wonderful canine dish… of course, all those fancies of the author are possible if and when the Yellow Kingdom gets rid off its excess population, say, half of its citizenry, for a nation increasingly dependent on foreign countries for its basic staples, i.e. soybeans etc. it surely talks up good game.

    P. S. Godfree, Jewish (Ashkenazic): ornamental name composed of German Gott ‘God’ + Friede ‘peace’ per internet… in the zero sum game, Roberts, most likely will abandon the U. S. S. America!

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  73. @War for Blair Mountain

    Beatles! Faggots? WfBM. do you know something that rest of the world doesn’t know? Yoko Ono, a man hiding inside a kimono…

  74. @gmachine1729

    My impression has been that China still does not really take on America head on anywhere near as much as Russia does. I wonder why.

    As I said–China prefers Russia taking the lead partially (I don’t know percentages, of course) out of Deng’s stratagem. In the end, China has everything to gain and very little to lose if Russia and US squeeze and exhaust each-other utterly. Not only China will get an easy access to Russia’s resources and military technologies but she will gain Europe. Russians are keenly aware of that.

    I recall you wrote that Russia makes its own CPUs, and before reading that, I had already known of Elbrus. But Elbrus, according to what I read, still goes to TSMC (in Taiwan) for fabrication.

    CPUs which go into military are domestically produced. So is most other electronics.

    I’ve also heard and read that one of China’s main weaknesses is jet engines/metallurgy. Like, China still cannot manufacture a very high quality car. Almost certainly, Russia is much better with jet engines, but I don’t know about cars. I don’t know of any brand name Russian car.

    It is not just jet engines, there are design issues and that is why CR929 is designed with both US-produced or Russian-produced large jet engines. As per Russian cars–Russia has a full enclosed cycle of producing every single type of the vehicles from passenger cars to trucks. Nowadays they are pretty good, actually. In fact, very competitive.

    https://www.lada.ru/en/cars/vesta/sedan/gallery.html

    or

    https://kamaz.ru/en/

    Certainly, China cannot compare with USSR/Russia. Mostly, China still lacks genuine innovation and pioneering in science and technology.

    Chinese are improving. In some fields they will be taking leads and they are already a manufacturing hub of the world.

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
    , @Vidi
  75. @Stan d Mute

    ‘Agree, it’s much closer to an infomercial for Huawei…’

    I have to admit it does read like that.

  76. SteveM says:
    @Bill

    The parasitic elites are not motivated to slow down their blood sucking long enough for their host to recover.

    Agree. The U.S. Elite Nomenklatura is akin to the late Soviet Nomenklatura. I.e., nobody believes in the ideology any longer. Their lone objective is to extract as much wealth from the rotting carcass for as long as possible.

    Before the SHTF, the Parasite-Elites will have moved their money off-shore and have the private jets on standby for their escape.

  77. @Reuben Kaspate

    ‘It looks as if China is poised to become the top dog in the world, provided that it doesn’t eat itself up thinking it’s a wonderful canine dish…’

    Lol. Yeah, something vaguely like that is a possibility. Corruption may be a congenital Chinese vice. And too, the country is a plutocracy on a scale perhaps never before seen. The poor may get unhappy at some point. What happens if there is precisely the sort of sudden and severe reversal that can afflict rapidly developing economies? Will the workers all docilely starve while their employers continue to play crazy rich Asians?

    However, it would be unwise to figure that therefore, we needn’t worry. Over the long haul, China has been the most impressive center of civilization on the globe. Them days are back, and if we want to be more than a useful market, I suggest we step up our game.

    • Replies: @Reuben Kaspate
  78. @Andrei Martyanov

    Andrie

    The policy was-is endemic to the IDEOLOGY of unregulated capitalism. The WHITE LIBERAL GREEDY CHEATING OLIGARCH CLASS….don’t in the least bit impose “rugged-free-market American Cowboyism” on themselves……that’s for the Canon Fodder Native Born White American Working Class…

    They like to quote free market biblical scripture from the filthy old whore Ayn Rand(who cured Alan Greenspan of his teenage acne…only to replace it with syphyllus sphirocheetes….which Alan Greenspan infected his pock-marked face celebrity news reporter wife with….by the look of it…). But they parasitically take advantage of decades of US Taxpayer subsidized DARPA Programs…SOCIALIZE THE COSTS…PRIVATIZE THE PROFITS…..IMPORT THE SKILLED WORKFORCE FROM HAN-ONLY-CHINA……SEND NATIVE BORN WHITE CHRISTIAN MALE TEENAGER CANON FODDER TO SYRIA…..This is the Oligarch economic policy…..

    Just remembered the name of Alan Greendspan’s wife:Andrea Mitchell…with Deep Lunar Craters all over her face….Ayn Rand’s syphyllus sphirocheetes did quite a job on Andrea’s face…..

  79. @War for Blair Mountain

    How many Muzzies are writing “PHD” theses out of the total doctoral student population, WfBM? It sounds like propaganda!

  80. @War for Blair Mountain

    It was a deliberate policy decision by the WHITE LIBERAL GREEDY CHEATING CLASS….the same Class that is attempting to homo-pedophile-pederast norm American Society.

    Many of those who pretend to be “conservative” are nothing more than classic laissez faire Wall Street liberal class whose only difference from cesspool which US Democratic party has become is that they think that they can sell America (and everyone else in the world) while sitting out the process inside their gated communities (or on private islands) and under the relative safety of federal and private bodyguards. That’s the only difference between them, in the end–they will sell everything there is of true economic, spiritual, cultural value as long as their bottom line is met. Again, capital, that is profit, doesn’t care who pays as long as it is being paid for. In this sense, white normal (sometimes Christian) man and woman are undesirable because they, once in a while, defer to human values which disrupt consuming, the society of feminist multi-racial pederasts, however, is really good at being consumers.

    Perhaps there has been irreversible epigenetic changes on the chromatin of White Christian America induced by LSD…marijuana….cocaine

    Yes, you also forgot massive opioid crisis but I agree, there are some serious issues with a complete drug-induced degeneration. As per this:

    the faggot Beatles….the faggot Rolling Stones….

    Come on, man, cut Beatles some slack–great music and they surely, judging by the women they lived with (with the sole exception of John, ahem), hardly any faggotry there. Mick, on the other hand…LOL.

  81. @Reuben Kaspate

    Before he came down with cancer….George Harrison’s Mansion had a home invasion…George Harrison couldn’t even put up a fight defend himself against the runt who broke into his Mansion…stabbed 49 times by the runt…George Harrison’s wife beat the runt up….and as a consequence, saved George’s life…

    John Lennon did it with Brian Epstien..

    Don’t forget the recent news story about the Beatles 1963 circle jerk…

    • Replies: @Anon
  82. Anon[147] • Disclaimer says:

    This reads like a brochure for Huawei.

    Yeah, China is so wonderful and so advanced, that must be why its people can’t wait to get the hell out. Just like India and all the rest of the 3rd world, China’s biggest export is not goods but people.

    The more advanced a society, the more soulless it becomes. China can have their 5G, I’m happy with what we have. They can keep their technology, and please, take back all their people.

    • Agree: eah
    • Replies: @The Scalpel
    , @peterAUS
    , @Moi
  83. Yee says:

    eah,

    “I don’t think the people who are being spied upon think that — eg the Germans did not appreciate it.”

    Any normal intelligent person would have asked, for what China Infiltrate Amazon and Apple. To steal technologies? Well, Amazon and Apple would certainly sue you, Qualcomm is suing Apple right now in China. Technologies are their private properties, they wouldn’t hesitate to sue for damage and ban it from market.

    What I meant by “Spying on people is just bullsh#t”, is that the US government have always been spying on you, without Huawei equipments. It’s the Chinese government who has no interest to spy on you. What would they care what Americans are doing in America?

    All governments have the ability to spy on people, in the USA’s case, they can even spy on Merkel. So such “warning” issued by government is just bullsh#t.

  84. @Andrei Martyanov

    Andrie

    I…along with several other members of a wedding party(wedding next day)…stood right next to Sir Paul at Stephen’s Talk House in Amagansett while Jimmy Buffet played on stage(warm-up concert for a big tour)….

    Pete Townshend is a GD PEDERAST who highly likely raped Eastern European boys…..

    I don’t want to take Rock N’ Roll away from you….

    Bruce Springsteen boycotted North Carolina…..because the Conservative Christians down there don’t want large hairy men pretending to be women to go to the bathroom in the stall next to their 5 year old daughter…in a public bathroom in the State of North Carolina…

    I think you would like the Scottish band Big Country…Check out their live concert in Edinborough on Youtube……So far….Big Country seems to have been a band free of homos-pederasts……So far…So good….Is it Edinborough?..Is this how you spell it?…Any Scotts out there?

    • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov
    , @Ruckus
  85. I do not care. I am waiting for 10 G

    • Replies: @Reuben Kaspate
  86. @Andrei Martyanov

    US elites believed their ‘free enterprise’ neoliberal narratives to the point of outsourcing US industry and jobs to Asia without any thought on the future of the US middle class or its workers. Of course they had an incentive in the vast amounts of money to be made, and they made vast fortunes. Now that the pickings are getting slim and China is going its own way and not following US direction they are beating the drum to march the American people to demonize and conflict with China (and at the same time with Russia).

    US elites are demented to think they can subdue or defeat the Russia/China alliance which is well on its way to checkmating the US. All the US has left is the hammer (its military) and that is well on its way to being neutralized. Europe is a vassal of the US right in the middle of the new Cold War the US is engineering and if it doesn’t free itself of US control it will go with the US sinking ship.

    • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov
  87. Ron Unz says:
    @Bob who thinks GR a useful idiot fifth columnist

    This is basic great power conflict and GR chooses China over the US and the West. There is a word for such people, it slips my tongue right now.

    It’s always nice to see that someone who’s repeatedly proven himself to be a rightwing retard—of the “patriotard” variety—on one important issue follows exactly the same pattern on others as well.

    Individuals should always be commended for their consistency…

  88. @Colin Wright

    The “Five Eyes” better keep their shutters wide open, for Germany is of little use in the coming battle of wits with the inscrutable Chinese and they’re unscrupulous to boot!

  89. @Andrei Martyanov

    George Harrison was a gentle creature; not everyone need be a Rambo… in a street fight, Sylvester Stallone could not match his acting prowess.

  90. @War for Blair Mountain

    Pete Townshend is a GD PEDERAST who highly likely raped Eastern European boys…..

    This is why I don’t listen to The Who anymore, nor can listen to Michael Jackson. Meanwhile, I was always into the progressive rock music and fusion–ELP, Yes or Genesis are not known for pedophilia and produced some of the most memorable music of all time, same goes to late Alan Holdsworth or, for that matter, still living and (God bless his soul) prospering Joe Satriani. As for the Boss throwing tantrum because of transgender bathrooms–what a way to lose respect and once significant talent.

  91. @AriusArmenian

    US elites believed their ‘free enterprise’ neoliberal narratives to the point of outsourcing US industry and jobs to Asia without any thought on the future of the US middle class or its workers. Of course they had an incentive in the vast amounts of money to be made, and they made vast fortunes.

    Damn right! And mind you, I am all for free enterprise when it is done properly but against the background of the humanities technological trends, most likely realm of this enterprise is limited primarily to service sector–retail, restaurants, some subcontracting, software, some manufacturing etc. Nowadays, to produce anything of serious value and complexity one needs vast capital, expertise, other resources–things increasingly out of reach of the what is known as small business. Increasingly it is the realm of very large and well organized and, drum roll… state supported. I always laugh when people try to tell me that Boeing is not government supported and does it completely on its own.

    • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov
  92. @Andrei Martyanov

    humanities technologica

    Correction: humanity’s

  93. Agent76 says:

    Aug 7, 2018 Dr. Martin Pall To The NIH: “The 5G Rollout Is Absolutely Insane.”

    During the “Health in Buildings Roundtable” sponsored by the NIH & co-organized by the US CDC and several other organizations, Dr. Martin Pall from the Washington State University (WSU) concluded that the “5G rollout is absolutely insane”.

  94. Agent76 says:
    @wayfarer

    This is a good read. NOVEMBER 10, 2018 Did A 5G Experiment Test In The Hague, Netherlands, Prove Fatal To Birds In Trees?

    Has it finally happened: Probable confirmation 5G can kill wildlife? Starlings roosting in trees in a park in The Hague, Netherlands, fell dead from their perches. A total of 297 dead birds were collected. Poor birdies!

    https://www.naturalblaze.com/2018/11/did-a-5g-experiment-test-in-the-hague-netherlands-prove-fatal-to-birds-in-trees.html

    • Replies: @wayfarer
  95. @Andrei Martyanov

    I did have a Lada excellent car sturdy and lasting. Eventually I did have to scrap it. All electric connections did rust away. Copper rusts if it is not pure.
    I do hope that Russians now can make electrolytic copper.

  96. @Andrei Martyanov

    Excellent…you are a Holdsworth fan…..he was one of the immortals….Genesis in the early years was a great band….ELP…an underrated band…..About Springsteen…by his own admission:The Boss is mentally ill…The Boss’s Father was severely mentally ill….The Boss’s Father’s Sisters, all severely mentally ill(they would pull the hair out of their scalps and scream in the short-ear drum-piercing-blue-shifted wave length…..The Boss’s Mother’s Father was an Eyetalian shister Lawyer…..I think the Boss’s Family on both sides might have had very serious chromatin modification issues passed along for generations…This is an indication of way too many methyl groups attached to the Springsteen Family Chromatin…

    Great Bands to listen to:The Saw Doctors….The Waterboys…..The Pogues(they even have a Jew in the band!!!)….Hothouse Flowers…..I mentioned Big Country….Simple Minds(ALL TIME GREAT BAND!!!)…Oh looky here…all these bands are mostly Irish!!!…but then, there is that filthy Irish Cockroach John Bolton…..

    Guitarists:Check out Leo Kottke…Adrian Legg…and Michael Gullezian…..

    • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov
  97. ScuzzaMan says:

    Yeah, and remember, China needs to thin its population, too. Maybe 5G will help with that, as well …

  98. Another great Celtic Band:STIFF LITTLE FINGERS….Roots…Radicals…Rockers….only listen to this tune at decibel level>125…..

  99. anonymous[191] • Disclaimer says:

    I don’t really care if cheap Chinese junk can be created 50 times faster than it could before or if my refrigerator can order milk for me when it’s low. I might find a driverless car useful if I’ve been to the bar and I’m impaired and it can take me home so there will be no interactions with the cops. I’m satisfied with my internet speed and entertainment options. For what I’ve heard about 5G, I don’t understand what the point of it is, what benefit it will be to me over what I already have. I can only think that it will benefit the total surveillance state so that they can watch me go to the bathroom and watch me eat apples, then send me a fine if I don’t put the core into the recycling bin.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
    , @goofy
  100. @Colin Wright

    Yes they are engineered in Israel. Israel runs our intel agencies and government so that makes sense.

  101. @Andrei Martyanov

    USA a nation that lost its advantages by outsourcing its R&D its industrial/TECH/manufacturing. Depredated its middle class. A nation of masses of drop outs Uneducated to labor in the 21th century economy, a massive $30trillion debt andfighting 4 WARS at the same time…TRUMP is fighting lost battle..

    • Replies: @eah
  102. The Scalpel says: • Website

    “Your Huawei phone is assembled with just 28.5 seconds of human labor in a high-end automated plant spread over 1.4 square km. Automation and technology upgrades have reduced the staff to 17 yet its more than 30 production lines produce 2 million smartphones every month:”

    Pretty soon we will all be unemployed

    • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov
  103. @War for Blair Mountain

    Great Bands to listen to:The Saw Doctors….The Waterboys…..The Pogues(they even have a Jew in the band!!!)….Hothouse Flowers…..I mentioned Big Country….Simple Minds(ALL TIME GREAT BAND!!!)…Oh looky here…all these bands are mostly Irish!!!

    King Crimson, Scott Henderson both solo and of Tribal Tech periods, Bill Frisell (one of the greatest Americana players)–there is still a lot of true talent out there. Terje Rypdal–some magic pieces there. As per Irish, Rory comes to mind immediately.

    Excellent…you are a Holdsworth fan…..he was one of the immortals….

    He IS immortal. Obviously him and Frank Gambale simply killed it at Truth in Shredding, but for me Alan will always be embodied in three albums: Metal Fatigue, Wardenclyffe Tower and The Sand. When I hear Pud-Wud I simply melt.

    Man, did we get off-top? LOL!

  104. The RESULTS of 4decades of FREE trading policies…Alexander Hamilton knew better!!!

  105. anonymous[191] • Disclaimer says:
    @Renoman

    Why don’t they give it a pronounceable name? For years I always pronounced it “why way” before this woman was taken prisoner now I hear it pronounced “wowy”. The Japanese were smart when they realized that if you are going to market products in the English speaking world, you need to use names that are more pronounceable for English speakers. Nissan, Datsun, Sony etc. Japanese names are easier to pronounce than Chinese anyway due to their use of more hard sounds like Engish. The Chinese should hire some good marketing firms to produce better names than these unpronounceable brand names like Huawei. Better sales will be the result.

  106. Ruckus says:
    @Thomm

    And what does your comment contribute, exactly?

    • Replies: @eah
  107. @Ilyana_Rozumova

    You will be one hundred by then and at that speed, you might pass out surfing whatever takes place of the internet.

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
  108. @anonymous

    It’s not their fault that they have easily forgettable names. What can you do with ca. 100 million Li’s?

  109. Ruckus says:

    Couldn’t make it past the first couple of paragraphs.

    #1. Enhanced internet speed won’t solve the problem of crappy software programming pervading consumer tech, which renders the “internet of things” a non-starter.

    #2. 5G hasn’t been adequately tested on humans (or other animals, as far as I know) and for all we know is a tool of the Luciferians wanting to kill off most of us.

  110. The Scalpel says: • Website
    @Anon

    You don’t by any chance live in northern PA and drive a horse drawn carriage do you?

  111. China will never dominate the world. They’re just not into it. They don’t want to pollute themselves with too many contacts with various types of devils; plus, they’re wise enough to stay away from people they loathe (all coloreds). And they are simply not attractive enough, since all globally dominant cultures have been, in most important aspects, sexy & magnetic. They’re not individualistic & dynamic enough to surmount their central strength & weakness, Sinocentrism.

    Also, they haven’t met real, extreme challenges & they have not really faced problems of nationalist rebellions, centrifugal historical regional Chinese identities, pollution, workers’ dissatisfaction & internal revolts, corruption & nepotism etc.

    This article is as convincing as figures from five years plans.

  112. anonymous[191] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bob who thinks GR a useful idiot fifth columnist

    Canada is probably the easiest country in the world to influence with its successive weak governments and its pro-multicultural policies over the past 50 years. All China had to do was to infiltrate with phony immigrants and create a fifth column that can influence any persons in power and instantly neutralize any possible opposition with accusations of racism. Now with 1.5 million Chinese living within her borders, Canada might as well be considered a Chinese colony. If the Huawei woman is freed you know that the Canadian politicians’ love of Chinese money won out but if she is deported you will know that the Canadian government’s fear of the Trump administration is still stronger.

  113. @The Scalpel

    Pretty soon we will all be unemployed

    United States cannot close more than 150 000 vacancies gap in manufacturing due to absence of qualified cadres. And I don’t mean just good skills, math and discipline. Huge percentage of youth today will not pass basic drug, HTC (pot), test, thus making them unemployable on the increasingly complex and sophisticated manufacturing floor. I wouldn’t touch anyone who smokes pot, let alone do other drugs. In the end, production of phones is just a tiny percentage of serious manufacturing: aerospace, shipbuilding, any CNC operations, machining centers and precision instrumentation and lab services–the field is gigantic. Well, there is a huge demand for those professions, which also pay decently, and there is nobody to hire. Try to explain to the graduate of college with degree in philosophy or political science what is the G-code and how it is realized through SolidWorks software, or what is basic trigonometry in Coordinate Measuring. Forget it. And then there is a huge disparity in quality say between (I will omit naming them–I just say enormously expensive and hi-tech) systems made in the North East and, say, South East. So, no–jobs are available in the US, the question–who takes them? As I stated above (and it is supported by statistics)–75% of youth simply do not see themselves on the manufacturing floor, they all think that they are “free thinkers”, artists, musicians, many are “poets”. Many want to become stock brokers and live in Manhattan–to become good level CNC operator, level 3 NDI specialist or top notch lab tech–nah, too un-prestigious and below them. So, jobs are out there.

  114. eah says:
    @Martin Luther

    USA a nation that lost its advantages by outsourcing its R&D

    Patent Counts By Country, State, and Year – All Patent Types

    2008 was the first year that US patents granted to the ‘rest of the world’ outnumbered US patents granted to Americans — in 2015, 48% of all US patents were still granted to Americans — 52% to the ROW.

    its industrial/TECH/manufacturing. Depredated its middle class

    In contrast, this is unfortunately closer to the truth — and a very sad reality.

  115. @Bardon Kaldian

    And they are simply not attractive enough, since all globally dominant cultures have been

    They sure as hell started the Great March to Cuteness recently. When Party says so–you just do it;-)

    • LOL: Sergey Krieger
  116. Bill says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    You are emphatically agreeing with me.

    • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov
  117. peterAUS says:
    @gdpbull

    Hehe….it looks like a lot of people here do believe that.

    And, that “most” there.
    The all statement is idiotic, of course, but even then they put that “most” there.

    The servers/storage hardware storing the actual data will be somewhere in that paradise called China. And data will be safe and secure.
    Not even funny.

  118. Wally says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    “President Trump has attacked the Made In China 2025 policy because the US, stuck in neoclassical macroeconomics, is committed to a system which not only does not produce the goods but also can’t afford the essential infrastructure required for the next major advance in the ongoing industrial revolution.”

    Wrong! A false, strawman argument.

    President Trump wants China to lower it’s massive tariffs against US products & services.

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  119. peterAUS says:
    @Anon

    Yeah, China is so wonderful and so advanced, that must be why its people can’t wait to get the hell out.

    China can have their 5G, I’m happy with what we have. They can keep their technology, and please, take back all their people.

    Don’t say…..

  120. peterAUS says:
    @anonymous

    For what I’ve heard about 5G, I don’t understand what the point of it is, what benefit it will be to me over what I already have.

    Well, you answered your own question here:

    I can only think that it will benefit the total surveillance state so that they can watch me go to the bathroom and watch me eat apples, then send me a fine if I don’t put the core into the recycling bin.

    Fine as starter and only if you can pay it. If you are “repeated offender” or/and can’t pay, ah, well, there will be other methods to make you a proper member of the society. THAT type of society.

  121. wayfarer says:
    @Agent76

    If you go down these particular rabbit holes, you’ll discover emerging “green” technologies that are directly associated with the Rothschilds and Israel, which in each instance have greatly accelerated environmental destruction, in one way or another.

    Puna Geothermal Venture
    Ivanpah Solar Power Facility
    Pacific Gas and Electric Company
    Claude Bud Lewis Carlsbad Desalination Plant

  122. @Ron Unz

    Glad to once again brighten your day Ron. Patriotard sounds a little Huffpo and does not have the poetry of Deplorable or Bitter Clinger, but that is fine. I understand you like GR are happy to place others interest above that of your fellow citizens. You both seem to think it a virtue. It is not. Perhaps you two are great and I am foolish, but I have seen no argument from either of you that gives me cause to shift from my place here on the rightwing.

  123. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @War for Blair Mountain

    Lennon did what with Epstein?

  124. @onebornfree

    Can you provide us with an example of Huawei’s breaking its promise?

    Even when the US Government threatened to ban them, Huawei stuck to its guns.

  125. @eah

    Let’s wait to see which way Germany jumps.

    • Replies: @eah
  126. @eah

    Those are all unproven (and unlikely) allegations.

    They’re unlikely because China is ahead of the US in the sciences and in most technologies, like AI.

  127. @SteveM

    They’ve moved 1,000,000 into cities every week since 1951. Why should Xiongan pose problems, and why would they not put everything they’ve learned about town planning and urban technologies into it?

  128. @Reuben Kaspate

    What I was trying to say that there is always a little improvement in the product, and companies are trying to force the population as to buy it as an absolute necessity. This trick never ends.
    Buying population are suckers. Why they do not make a product such a way that it could not be made better and then go out of business?

  129. @Bill

    Seems to be about latency, density of connected objects and 5-10 cm locational accuracy.

  130. @Bob who thinks GR a useful idiot fifth columnist

    100% hysterical allegations. Zero proof. Zero evidence. Zero motive.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  131. @Colin Wright

    It could also be truthful, accurate, and readily verifiable. But that’s a personal choice, I guess.

  132. @Colin Wright

    It could also be read as a series of verifiable claims, too.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  133. Vidi says:
    @Tyrion 2

    What’s the point of 5G?

    Twenty gigabits/s is more than fast enough for video. Get ready for real videophones. Or video conferences — while y0u are in your driverless car.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    , @M Edward
  134. @Bardon Kaldian

    ‘This article is as convincing as figures from five years plans.’

    Have you ever investigated the results of a Five Year Plan? Just one? They’re all published online, as are the claimed results.

    Have you ever dived deep into official Chinese statistics? If you did, did you find anomalies suggesting they’re inaccurate or misleading?

    I’ve been paddling around at the shallow end in the deep pool of Beijing’s official figures since 1951. By now, I can now check almost any official statistic against several others, usually from open, multinational sources like the World Bank, the CIA and the OECD.

    So far, the figures line up: claimed GDP growth matches (actually trails) observed wage rises of 6% a year compounded, for example. The WTO says the country’s exports and imports match its records, that its trade is in balance with the world and that exports are moving up the value chain as predicted.

    Authorities as diverse as Mark Mobius, who invested billions in both countries, says China’s stats are as good as Canada’s. So does Hong Kong University’s Prof. Carsten Holz, who has devoted decades to verifying China’s stats.

    I suggest you go to China regularly, as I do, and visit second, third and fourth tier cities to see if what you see lines up with the official stats.

  135. @Bill

    You are emphatically agreeing with me.

    Then, I most likely misread your post.

  136. @Wally

    China’s trade with the world, imports/exports, is in balance.

    China is a below-average exporter. Compared to Germany, her exports account for less than half as much of GDP. China is even less export dependent than Canada.

    You can see Chinese tariffs here:

    https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vQMc9ieZYUOv6a4h3-cY0kBaX5XkARsqpbfY_5KNjdXRH4XMD8g7zSCYuXya0gSgxrukawPaf553doF/pub

  137. Vidi says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    As I said–China prefers Russia taking the lead partially (I don’t know percentages, of course) out of Deng’s stratagem.

    Which country is spending $trillions on the new Silk Road? Not Russia.

    America cannot be defeated militarily; only mutual suicide is possible. However, economic defeat is possible for the US:

    in 2015, 52% of international payments used the US dollar (link)
    in 2017, just two years later, that was down to 40% (link)

    Russia was definitely not responsible for this massive change (in the $trillions).

    Thus it is clear that what Russia did (and is still doing) was and is only a tiny part of the job.

  138. m___ says:

    Throw the brightest minds onto dumb systemics and you get Karlin on G5. Is there a loop on this site that feeds into itself?

  139. Ruckus says:
    @War for Blair Mountain

    It’s Pete Townsend, not Townshend. Always had been until CERN started to fuck with us hardcore 8-10 years ago. What timeline are you from anyway?

  140. Anonymous[367] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous

    Not necessarily. Hiding behind a foreign name to disassociate from a crap country of origin is sensible, but China is no longer a crap country. It’s rising fast, and Westerners are beginning to feel that it has legitimacy. Remember, Huawei isn’t trying to compete head on with Apple – they’re trying to deliver basically the same thing at a lower price point. So the Chinese name is a good way to communicate a fresh approach with new possibilities.

  141. @Andrei Martyanov

    Reading this truly frightening “Brave New World” article, my belief that the US is doomed has been greatly buttressed. The US, by concentrating on war rather than civilian infrastructure and civilian technology, is yesterday’s country. Trump is yesterday’s man, and Congress is full of yesterday’s people. I am retired and thus obsolete. I am yesterday’s man too.

  142. @Vidi

    Russia was definitely not responsible for this massive change (in the $trillions).

    I’ll give you some hint (teeny-weeny one)–Russia’s entrance into the war in Syria with all her arsenal had everything to do with it. This is literally–on fingers. You want to learn what real global power and military balance is–buy my next book when it comes out tentatively in October, it is precisely about this.

    America cannot be defeated militarily; only mutual suicide is possible.

    Not only America, but combined NATO forces in case of convectional war in Russia’s vicinity (such as Ukraine) will be destroyed even without use of the conventional weapons.

    Which country is spending $trillions on the new Silk Road? Not Russia.

    Another hint: look up whose ice-breaker fleet is, and by gigantic margin, largest and most advanced in the world and what it has to do with Silk Road. While at it, read this piece by me.

    https://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2019/01/underwater-currents-of-naval-strategy.html

    Believe me, it is not easy to communicate even basic ideas on practical geopolitics and geoeconomics to people who still measure everything by monetary indexes–US did it for decades and look where it took it. I can tell you upfront–your picture of the world is a wrong one, because it doesn’t account for how world actually works.

  143. @Andrei Martyanov

    without use of conventional weapons.

    Correction: nuclear weapons.

  144. @onebornfree

    Indeed extremely naive to rely on that “strictly protected” guarantee. Would he believe it if Apple said the CIA and FBI couldn’t get hold of your personal details and read your personal communications? Of course not. Why does he expect us to lap up the stuff in what read like paid advertisements?

  145. @Andrei Martyanov

    Re-industrialization _cannot_ be done by a strong state — not in the US. China, maybe, although it’s too early to really tell. In the US, a hefty fraction of the population is incapable of living in an industrial economy. Any strong state that this hefty fraction influences will therefore _favor_ de-industrialization, and oppose re-industrialization.

    Counterinsurgency

  146. What is the alternative to 5G?….

  147. @Godfree Roberts

    No doubt even falsifiable claims. But the problem of it reading like an infomercial is exactly my reaction. I suppose that has the merit of making the ordinarily critical person view it all with interest but scepticism.

    No doubt someone with time on their hands could start checking your facts. For me the questioning focuses on the details of IP and consequences. Patents expire after 20 years. Software copyrights are open to competition from alternative approaches. And the patents don’t give real monopolies quite apart from the usual need to combine inventions from different sources. In most countries (to the best of my knowledge) courts can order the licensing of use of patents if the patent owner seeks to maintain monopoly or impose an excessive price for use.

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
    , @Erebus
  148. @Vidi

    What would count as defeat?

  149. eah says: • Website
    @Godfree Roberts

    The question I asked was pretty simple (“übertrieben”), and it’s not necessary to wait in order to answer it — also re ad hominem: it’s best not to take offense where none is intended — life is a little easier that way.

    I put the URL of my public LinkedIn profile in the ‘Website’ field of this comment — do you mind a couple of questions? — what is your educational background? (I think I found you on the internet) — and what is your technical working experience? — not that either is entscheidend.

    Let’s wait to see which way Germany jumps.

    Here I assume you mean die Bundesregierung, or one of its policy-making Ämter — what decision is, or do you think is, pending?

    The industry usually works like this: 3GPP working groups develop an open technical standard (for worldwide interoperability between devices and networks; there is extensive and very expensive testing, especially of devices, to verify this benign interoperability) — this is also a contest to see who can get the most IP into the adopted/published TS (QCOM is usually the big winner) — a country auctions off allocated spectrum, in this case 5G spectrum — measures may be taken to ensure competition, eg so several operators get spectrum — then these operators, ie mobile telephone companies, build out/install infrastructure — generally a country does not choose or designate an infrastructure supplier; an operator does — historically, since it is an open TS, there has always been a number of providers of both modems and infrastructure (the industry has consolidated).

    What do you think will be different about 5G?

    As the demise of Nokia shows, the competitive landscape can change relatively quickly in this business.

    The problem Huawei has is the same general problem China has: no one fully trusts them — not really.

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  150. @Anonymous

    If the US (it’s not technically America) is ever to be reborn in some capacity, it must be done in at least a few, if not several, different countries. The same racial and multicultural problems will remain unless we all become autonotoms (which it appears the Chinese and Japanese are quickly becoming). Of course, by the time it is reborn, whites may no longer exist anyway. At least that is the Kalergi Master Plan, which appears to be moving along quite nicely.

  151. @Andrei Martyanov

    God, I sure hope that everything you say is true!

    • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov
  152. Sad expose of the USA today. Imagine what this nation would have accomplished had the Federal Reserve Act of 1913 not been passed. Without a debt economy based on continual wars what would the nation look like. Imagine if our industrial base never left our shores. Without 100 years of debt based currency, and fractional reserve Ponzi games, I doubt your imagination could picture this nation. China would be far behind, way back in our rear view mirror.
    I hear a lot of negative thoughts on 5G. Can we have someone write about it from the negative side.

  153. @Andrei Martyanov

    The 2020 presidential election will tell the tale. First, Trump would have to be stone cold crazy, literally a masochist of epic proportions, to run again. He had no ability to right the sinking ship in one term; what would make this deluded yesterday’s man think he can accomplish anything in a second? Please, sir, retire to one of your many golf courses and try to enjoy what’s left of your life.

    For, once a banshee like Kamala Harris, or one of like mind, is elected, there must be civil unrest or the white man is finished for all time. The Deep State will not make the same mistake of overconfidence this time and allow anyone other than a democrat to be elected, and I foresee that it must be a woman. If it’s not Kamala then maybe even Hillary the Wicked Witch herself. In any case, they are too dumb to realize it, but the prize they seek will not be worth having.

  154. Anon[378] • Disclaimer says:
    @Stan d Mute

    > It vastly oversells the benefits of 5G and ignores that much of what it purports to do is already done faster by fiber optics.

    Hmm.. How do I connect a very long fiber optics to my phone that allows me to walk anywhere without entangles into things ?? Or attach to my self driving car??

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
  155. @Andrei Martyanov

    I think USA had her chance but due to historical peculiarities of USA I doubt strong state the way it is required for reindustrialization is possible. I also find Russia role as Chinese back up rather humiliating considering Soviet past. Your thoughts, is that the end in itself or just transitional period?

    • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov
  156. Yee says:

    Anon[147] ,

    “Yeah, China is so wonderful and so advanced, that must be why its people can’t wait to get the hell out. … and please, take back all their people.”

    But…. but your government has been spending billions of $$$ in China to attract immigrants…

    Constantly telling us that China is hell, America is paradise. You should expect all those billions can buy you quite a few believers of paradise, otherwise it’d be a waste of tax money….

  157. Seraphim says:
    @Justsaying

    A parable that circulated at a time (which I quickly endorsed and used) was:
    “Americans play Monopoly, Russians play Chess, Chinese play Weiqi/Go”
    An American retorted: ‘we play poker, the game of the achievers who have no time to waste making a quick buck’.
    The morale was: “Americans play poker with loaded dice and when their cheating is revealed they pull the gun and the winner takes all”. Cowboy mentality. Highway robber mentality, actually.

  158. wayfarer says:

    Converting Wi-Fi Signals to Electricity

    Devices that convert AC electromagnetic waves into DC electricity are known as “rectennas.” The researchers demonstrate a new kind of rectenna, described in a study appearing in Nature today, that uses a flexible radio-frequency (RF) antenna that captures electromagnetic waves – including those carrying Wi-Fi – as AC waveforms.

    The antenna is then connected to a novel device made out of a two-dimensional semiconductor just a few atoms thick. The AC signal travels into the semiconductor, which converts it into a DC voltage that could be used to power electronic circuits or recharge batteries.

    source: http://news.mit.edu/2019/converting-wi-fi-signals-electricity-0128

  159. Erebus says:
    @Ron Unz

    Mr. Roberts may describe China’s accomplishments a little too breathlessly, and a little too naively to be taken at face value, but the accomplishments are real and (frankly) beggar belief in both their scope and the speed with which they happened. It’s impossible to convince those who didn’t watch it happen to believe how far and how fast China developed. It sounds like a fantasy and the breathlessness of Godfree’s presentation creates sceptics and exacerbates any scepticism the reader may have.

    In the last 3 decades, a little more than a generation, China went from 3rd world level of poverty to the largest real economy on the planet (by far), with a civil and industrial infrastructure 2nd to nobody’s. Whatever one may think of their politics or social development, China’s rise is an outlier, off the graph.

    It rose further and far faster than America’s decline went in the opposite direction. The day when America’s decline accurately mirrors China’s rise will see America in the place China was in in 1990. Not a happy place to be, and hopefully Americans will find it unhappy enough that they finally start to do something about it.

    The simple reality is that China’s economic strategy succeeded, and America’s failed. To the extent it was dependent on America, much of the West’s failed with it.

    America’s, and the West’s strategic failure limits its response options to tactical retreat. Kidnapping CFOs, whacking 3rd world heads of state, empowering terrorists, threatening/enacting sanctions against allies, competitors, enemies, and even its own co’s simply exposes the fact that there’s no winning strategy to be found.

    Unfortunately, these rearguard actions will ultimately serve to both accelerate and deepen the retreat. Deep enough that it may be indistinguishable from collapse.

    As for 5G, I’m not at all convinced that 5G will ever roll out fully, or that it will bring the benefits touted for it. Frankly, it looks like a solution looking for a problem. Sure, self-driving cars would be a huge improvement over Chinese drivers, but that would be true with or without 5G interconnectivity.

    The health risks seem very real, and if they manifest the Chinese public will reject 5G whatever benefits it may bring.

    • Agree: Andrei Martyanov
    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @Thomm
  160. niceland says:

    It didn’t do the U.S. much good to acquire dominant position in the world’s geo-politics and economic power, when the USSR was dissolved.

    I like to think of it as a company that suddenly finds it self without competition – in a monopoly situation. The motivation to excel in producing goods and services declines. Utilizing the new found market dominance for profit and increased market share overshadows innovation. False reality of comfort and security takes hold and slowly the guards fall a sleep. Efficiency drops, waste becomes rampant and corruption follows.

    In case of the U.S. the comfort steaming from it’s enormous economic power and the dominance of the dollar as world reserve currency paved the way for all kind of economic nonsense, waste, corruption and abuse of geo-political power. And false reality of American superiority. And here we are.

    Competition from China is the medicine the U.S. needs. But first the patient has to realize the situation and lay off the bottle and bullying and put on the running shoes for the race of the 21. century. It’s either competition played by international rules or war! Hardly difficult choice.

    So all in all -if this article reflects reality-it’s very good news, China is becoming major competitor in technology and the U.S. has to take notice.

  161. Ron Unz says:
    @Erebus

    It’s impossible to convince those who didn’t watch it happen to believe how far and how fast China developed. It sounds like a fantasy and the breathlessness of Godfree’s presentation creates sceptics and exacerbates any scepticism the reader may have.

    In the last 3 decades, a little more than a generation, China went from 3rd world level of poverty to the largest real economy on the planet (by far), with a civil and industrial infrastructure 2nd to nobody’s.

    Absolutely. I agree 100%. I’m sure you’ve already seen it, but a few years ago I wrote a major article discussing exactly these sorts of issues, and the trajectory seems to have continued unchanged:

    http://www.unz.com/runz/chinas-rise-americas-fall/

    Incidentally, I’ve been predicting China’s enormous rise to my friends for over forty years, and I’d say it’s exceeded my upper bound.

    As for 5G, I’m not at all convinced that 5G will ever roll out fully, or that it will bring the benefits touted for it.

    I also agree about this, and can’t really say how important 5G will be. However, I do closely read the NYT and WSJ every morning, and it’s clear that the world MSM and corporations regard it as extremely important, so not being an expert I’ll tend to go with their opinion for now.

    And if 5G is so important, then the wealth of persuasive information this article provides about China’s apparent lead is obviously very important as well…

    • Replies: @Erebus
    , @Paul C.
  162. Anonymous[349] • Disclaimer says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    He likely views you the same way as the Chinese see Gordon Chang – as a race traitor.
    Except the latter is a self-hating hapa who clings to a delusional narrative to sell books while you do what you do so in the service of truth. So ignore the haters.

  163. Seraphim says:
    @anonymous

    Anglos have difficulties with any foreign language. It’s genetic.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  164. Seraphim says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    What could be the etc. challenges?

  165. @eah

    The noise around Huawei has nothing to do with trust. It is being created by the world’s least trusted government as another attack on the world’s most trusted.

    The last time I checked, Huawei was the only trusted company trusted for 5G, unlike Cisco, for example, which is known to have USG-installed back doors.

    Cisco is the only OEM to have received firm orders for systems. Do you know of another?

    That, like the competitive landscape, will change but not until an operator has installed and integrated a non-Huawei system from end to end and is operating and has benchmarked it as Huawei has done.

    I am guessing–wildly–that it will take twice as long and cost twice as much to get a non-Huawei system running. Only time will tell.

    Installing a Huawei system will speed Industrie 4.0 significantly. In its own modest way, Huawei offers the German government a benefit that an S-400 systems would: a measure of national independence, something which, as an occupied nation, Germany has little of.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    , @eah
  166. MEFOBILLS says:
    @Thomm

    refreshingly free from the typical “Jooooos is Bad

    The author makes the claim that economic doctrine is “neo-classical.” Actually, it is neo-liberal economic orthodoxy that drives the west.

    Neo-liberalism is banker ideology, where bank credit is issued upon hypothecation i.e. debt. The current center for neo-liberal doctrine is University of Chicago.

    It’s genesis was Bank of England in 1694, the first debt spreading bank which hosted a country. Mercantilism, rim theory, and Atlantic-ism are all closely related.

    For example, Atlantacism is movement of goods by Ship, and new bank credit may be hypothecated while ship is en-route, and bill of lading is used as “asset” to create the new bank credit. China used Atlantic doctrine in conjunction with “international finance” to bring in raw materials by ship onto its East Coast, and export finished goods from the same coast line. However, China rope-a -doped the West by acquiring patrimony of the West during this episode. Thanks Jews! Hope that wage arbitrage was tasty, as you gave away the patrimony of the West for cheap arbitrage today.

    State Sponsored usury, which came into being in 1694, means that debts are created against populations, and then debt instruments are on-sold into markets.

    This entire edifice is very much Jewish at inception, especially as it emanated from Amsterdam, and then jumped to London. Sephardic Jews in Amersterdamn’s stock market were the genesis of this system. It has since emanated from London, to then infest the U.S. and spread worldwide. Sorry, about this history of Jewish monetary perfidy, but since the West is in the false grip of this neo-liberal bankster ideology, then it doesn’t have the ability to respond to China’s gauntlet. Spectacles have been placed upon our nose, which obscures our vision.

    Wall Street gambit was to move jobs overseas to China to then take wage arbitrage on Chinese labor. Wall Street even green-mailed American industry to move or else said companies would be asset stripped. Often (usually) you find Jewish bad actors in finance, especially in hedge funds and green mailers. Green mailing is the action of taking a companies pensions and assets and then hypothecating them onto a bank ledger, to then create new bank credit, to then buy out and influence the company. This is part of Jewish, and now Anglo money magic that has parasitized the west.

    China has four state banks, and they will issue new Yuans at debt, and then release said debts. They can do this because the debt instrument is housed in their state banks, and has not been on-sold into markets. China maintains law over their money, and has not succumbed to private “international finance elites.”

    China can also channel new credit into the commons, something that is practically impossible to do under neo-liberal (Jewish) economic orthodoxy, as markets must be freee — you know for free-dumb to then asset strip the goyim. Or, the West is held in thrall to the holders of its debts, and I’ll give you a couple of guesses as to the tribal affiliation of these “holders.”

    Yes, when it comes to economic perfidy, and emission of hypnosis through “owned press” our Jewish friends represent an existential threat and do not possess the economic thought necessary to deal with China. We in the West have the Jew emitting hypnosis about money on one flank, and China becoming the low cost producer on the other. Additional Jewish perfidy is complicit in importing low IQ third world labor to drive labor prices down, to take wage arbitrage, and to disrupt social cohesion.

    China is actually operating a Sovereign economic system they copied from Frederick List, who in turn received from Peshine Smith. The American system of Peshine Smith and Henry Clay was overturned by our Bankster friends (Yes Jews and English heavy involvement) with the sneaky election of 1912, which dismantled Federalism, and gave us an easily bought out and influenced democracy. It is absolutely the case that Rothschild money split the ticket in 1912 to get their flunkey Woodrow Wilson elected, to then get Federal Reserve and two world wars, to then protect the “international.”

    So, here’s the irony. China is using the former American system of Henry Clay to gain wealth, while the U.S. is using Anglo-Zionist neo-liberal economic orthodoxy, to then allow international parasites to asset strip the country. The nation wreckers cannot help themselves.

  167. Thomm says:
    @Erebus

    It’s impossible to convince those who didn’t watch it happen to believe how far and how fast China developed.

    This chart depicts what you are trying to say :

    Now, a lot of WN dumbshits around here are infamously unable to interpret graphs and charts (as Ron Unz has also found out the hard way on his many ‘Hispanic Crime’ threads). Don’t try to persuade them.

  168. @Anonymous

    this point about the US reliance on microelectronics and Moore’s law is also made by William Luther Pierce in Fame of a Dead Man’s Deeds. Pierce notes that US economic growth is overly reliant on one economic paradigm , namely, Moore’s Law.

  169. Miro23 says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    President Trump has attacked the Made In China 2025 policy because the US, stuck in neoclassical macroeconomics, is committed to a system which not only does not produce the goods but also can’t afford the essential infrastructure required for the next major advance in the ongoing industrial revolution.

    The US could probably do it, but it would require a whole level of political and social unity that it lost years ago.

    It’s worth considering that in the 1950’s the US was the world leader in manufacturing- for example automobile production (Detroit), steel, aluminium, camera and film, industrial chemicals, communications equipment, computers and electronics, aircraft and aerospace (still partly) etc.

    What’s left now after decades of corporate outsourcing is mostly services and retail (often looted by Hedge Fund asset strippers).

  170. Miro23 says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    The hell is coming–courtesy of the pseudo-economists and other “sociologists” who preached this imbecilic gospel of post-industrialism.

    They certainly did this. A degree in economics that I took in the 1980’s was entirely focused on the “gospel of post-industrialism”, basically saying that advanced societies should only design and sell things, and have them produced elsewhere (Asia). The argument was a particular Anglo creation, saying that Western countries would become advanced and clean “Service Economies”.

    It was really designed to provide intellectual cover for corporations shutting down local production, and capturing (short term) massive increases of profitability (selling at Western prices and producing at Asian prices).

    Manufacturing has may skills of its own, and long and intricate supply chains that cannot be rebuilt. IOW, in the modern word, when an industry is lost, it is gone forever – and forget about robotics – the new industrial leaders are also leaders in installing them in their existing advanced facilities.

    • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov
  171. “The noise around Huawei has nothing to do with trust. It is being created by the world’s least trusted government as another attack on the world’s most trusted. ”

    Well with that kind of empirical data who can argue? I am sure GR will point us to recent survey data of China’s neighbors showing how they trust Emperor Xi the most.

    https://www.atkearney.com/foreign-direct-investment-confidence-index
    https://www.atkearney.com/documents/10192/12116059/2017+FDI+Confidence+Index+-+Glass+Half+Full.pdf/5dced533-c150-4984-acc9-da561b4d96b4

  172. Anonymous[469] • Disclaimer says:
    @Seraphim

    No .. it comes from growing up in a monolingual world. Other big language groups have the same issues – Chinese, Russians, and South American Spanish speakers.

  173. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Vidi

    You mean like Facetime? Who uses that?

    • Replies: @Vidi
  174. @Wizard of Oz

    IP is part of Huawei’s appeal but its strength is its seamless system of tightly coupled hardware and software, which makes system maintenance, troubleshooting and upgrading simple.

    Huawei also offers a powerful platform for manufacturers and app developers: a market in itself.

    Who wants to develop apps (let alone a development platform) for a system assembled from different suppliers and integrated by God knows who?

  175. Erebus says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    But the problem of it reading like an infomercial is exactly my reaction.

    To borrow your compatriot’s inimitable expression: “Yup”. I’ve chastised Mr. Roberts elsewhere on this point. 99% of what he says is black letter true, but the style suggests a pollyannaish approach that is better left to infomercial writers. A cynical crowd like this one reacts to it the same way it would react to anything that sounds too good to be true.

    In most countries (to the best of my knowledge) courts can order the licensing of use of patents if the patent owner seeks to maintain monopoly or impose an excessive price for use.

    A fundamental principle that underpinned patent law before the US weaponized IP stated that “A patent cannot impede progress.” Most countries still adhere to at least the shadow of that principle, and move closer to it as the social importance of the invention increases.

    Another principle that holds across most countries is that a patent isn’t a patent unless it has been applied for and granted in the country in question. China has no obligation to respect US patents unless a Chinese patent has been applied for (and vice versa). Of course, if somebody tries to market a US patented product in the US, the patent holder can sue the importer/distributor, but the original manufacturer is both de jure and de facto untouchable unless there’s an overriding treaty between the countries to recognize each others’ patents. I believe Canada and the US have such a treaty, but don’t quote me on that.

    • Replies: @MEFOBILLS
  176. @Godfree Roberts

    You should be able to see that “most trusted” “least trusted” is just rhetorical fluff. Trusted to do what? Predictable with some and what degree of certainty? By whom? In what contexts? And, not least, what are the consequences of being wrong about the trust one gives?

    “Trust but verify” made sense. How about its being adapted for today’s circumstances? What about requiring Huawei employ some US citizens acceptable to the US government with unrestricted access to the whole business?

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  177. @Anon

    Hmm.. How do I connect a very long fiber optics to my phone that allows me to walk anywhere without entangles into things ?? Or attach to my self driving car??

    A far more pertinent and useful question is “how do you improve your reading comprehension skills?”

  178. MEFOBILLS says:

    I had a discussion recently with a former economics professor. He hung his head in shame as he confessed that he taught deceptive practices during the 90’s. The “gestalt” of the era was that U.S. could give away its technology to places like China – as China would become the workshop, while the U.S. would be the “thought” leader and create. In other words, we (the U.S.) would create and innovate and reap the rewards of Chinese labor productivity.

    So, how does an entire country fall under sway to bankrupt ideology like this? Anybody with two brain cells to rub together can see that only a small fraction of any population is able to invent and create. What are the masses supposed to do, sit at home and get gibs?

    I mentioned to the professor that we could have let our invention of integrated circuit technology net through all sectors of the U.S. economy, thus improving productivity immensely and netting long term benefits. Think closely on this, and where we would be today, as the dominant producer of goods and services.

    In the 90’s I used to lunch with Bob Noyce, the inventor of the integrated circuit. He convinced Congress to allow American Semiconductor Companies to Cartelize and work together, the ultimate result of this was Sematech.

    Eventually Sematech became “International Sematech,” the complete opposite of Noyce’s attempt at protecting American labor. What caused this reversal and capitulation? We invited in our competitors and gave our crown jewels away.

    American’s soon began acting NOT IN their interests, but instead in the interests of the “international.” Greed was good, and it was good to take the Patrimony and invention of America, and give it away for arbitrage.

    Do you know how hard it is to invent and create, and especially what it takes to make Semiconductors at the cutting edge of science? You can give away something in minutes which may take a lifetime to invent.

    During the late 90’s, the Shabbos Goy Clinton gave China MFN status, overturned provisions in NAFTA, started the housing bubble, and accelerated the Wall Street/China Gambit. Our companies soon started leaving in droves, to then make goods as prices in China, and export back to the U.S.at the China price, thus displacing American labor. 401K owners became heroes while mainstreet U.S. labor became Zeroes as they eventually lost their jobs.

    I personally trained Chinese engineers how to make computer chips, which is the main reason why I understand this subject better than most. I personally have had my patents raided by Chinese so they could build technology we invented.

    The entire business model of TSMC (Taiwanese) was to take American know-how, and climb up the technological curve quickly. We showed them how to do it, gave it away for cheap. AMD used to say, “only real men/companies make chips.” So, this rampant hypnosis, which is at odds with observable reality, had blown through our country and seized the minds of even intelligent professors.

    Usually when you have deception of this magnitude, then there must be a deceiving ideology. This deceiving ideology is one of rents and usury. The tribe in particular emits hypnosis as part of their group evolutionary method. Capital is to always be ascendant, and it is to flow around the world looking for “gains.” This allows the holders of the “capital” and especially the owners of banking corporations which manufacture bank credit as money/capital to be in the driver’s seat.

    Actual economic reality is this: Humans make goods and services, which become prices. Prices fetch money. The advent of energy and machines accelerate labor, creating wealth. The advent of intelligent machines accelerates labor and wealth production.

    This giving away of our “intelligence” and allowing it to manifest in other economies had at its root, fundamental bad economic thinking still prevalent today, and emitting from neo-liberal (Yes Jewish) orthodoxy. The taking of rents and rubbing two shekels together to make said Shekels multiply ignores fundamental root economics.

    Sorry I lost the battle my fellow American’s – I did work in the background with Noyce, but the “money power” that had parasitized the country by 1912 won out.

    • Replies: @Mike P
    , @MarkinLA
  179. @Sergey Krieger

    I also find Russia role as Chinese back up rather humiliating considering Soviet past.

    Sergei, Russia and China are bound to live together one way or another–they are neighbors. There is absolutely nothing humiliating for Russia to back China up, in fact, it is rather dominant position of this very Russian product of which I write for years now–geopolitical stability. China buys it. If the United States was governable country–the arrangement may have been different, and it could have been different even 15 years ago. Too bad American “elites” are so stupid, so it is late for the US anyway. Under the circumstances, for Russia it was only natural and profitable decision.

  180. eah says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    The noise around Huawei has nothing to do with trust.

    I’m not sure what “noise” you are referring to — but I’m sorry, trust is definitely an issue when dealing with Huawei — I know: I work in the industry, and I can assure that it does play a role — I hear the talk — it plays a role when dealing with any Chinese company — whether you want to admit it or not, China is a Communist party dictatorship, and Huawei has close ties to the Chinese government — people dealing with Chinese companies consider this.

    I am guessing–wildly

    Really?! — “LOL” — I know.

    BTW, why didn’t you answer my simple questions about your educational background and work experience? — I provided that info about myself — also you did not address the more important question re what will be different in the 5G deployment process.

    You know, it is more difficult to take seriously someone who dodges simple questions — you may also want to take note of that.

    • Troll: Biff
    • Replies: @peterAUS
    , @Anonymous
  181. @follyofwar

    God, I sure hope that everything you say is true!

    I by no means pretend to be correct (and I often do make mistakes) but in the world of real great power competition, the United States turned out to be not what it loved to pretend itself to be. The bluff has been called, first in Crimea and then in Syria. This is what I wrote 4 years ago:

    Explaining to American “elite” the fact that US didn’t “win” the WW II, that “winning” the Cold War came about because Soviet people simply decided to end it, that Wall Street “economy” has no relation to real economy and that real wars produce misery and destruction on a scale which is incomprehensible for the “populace” of the Washington D.C. “strategists”, it is not just difficult–it is next to impossible. So, the events must run the course. But it is already clear that by failing to achieve any sensible political objectives in Ukraine and in Russia, and, by this, starting a massive global re-alignment, the United States sustained a defeat. What will be the consequences of this defeat? I hate to speculate, I just know that they are already big and that the moment of facing the reality is coming. My suggestion to those who are still making decisions–open and start reading War And Peace by Leo Tolstoy. I don’t hold my breath, though. The moment US handlers of their Kiev puppets conceived that Ukrainian Army can “win” in Donbass, the stopwatch started.

    https://smoothiex12.blogspot.com/2015/01/sand-castle-geopolitcs-vi.html

    You see–this came true really well, Syria was, using vulgar parallels with Great Patriotic War, something akin to Stalingrad, Putin’s speech on March 1, 2018 was, well I have it a definition of Stalingrad meets Pearl Harbor. So, judge for yourself.

  182. What is the alternative to importing Chinese Legal Immigrant Labor?

    Answer to the question:What was the Racial Demographics of the US Labor Force during America’s GOLDEN AGE of economic growth?

    • Replies: @MEFOBILLS
  183. @Miro23

    They certainly did this. A degree in economics that I took in the 1980’s was entirely focused on the “gospel of post-industrialism”, basically saying that advanced societies should only design and sell things, and have them produced elsewhere (Asia). The argument was a particular Anglo creation, saying that Western countries would become advanced and clean “Service Economies”.

    Exactly. All those lame-ass concepts such as Supply Side, FIRE economy, all these bizarre, detached from reality concepts were due to an incredibly fortunate geographic location of both England and the US which prevented them from facing horrors of continental warfare and failed to give rise to cultural, intellectual and economic constraints required for national survival. One of my favorite quotes by Barnett:

    “… swift decline in British vigor at home and the failure to exploit the empire were not owing to some inevitable senescent process of history….That cause was a political doctrine….The doctrine was liberalism, which criticized and finally demolished the traditional conception of the nation-state as a collective organism, a community, and asserted instead the primacy of individual. According to liberal thinking a nation was no more than so many human atoms who happened to live under the same set of laws….It was Adam Smith who formulated the doctrine of Free Trade, the keystone of liberalism, which was to exercise a long-live and baneful effect on British power….Adam Smith attacked the traditional “mercantilist” belief that a nation should be generally self-supporting…

    Manufacturing has may skills of its own, and long and intricate supply chains that cannot be rebuilt. IOW, in the modern word, when an industry is lost, it is gone forever – and forget about robotics – the new industrial leaders are also leaders in installing them in their existing advanced facilities.

    Very true. For the US, thus, the main task, if it wishes to survive as a major player, holding on to such industries as electronics, aerospace, chemical (and pharmaceutical) and machine-building is the only way to stay relevant in this century. Per weapons trade, US traditional markets will continue to be “undermined” by better and cheaper Russian-made high end weapon systems. There IS a line, literally, for S-400, SU-34s, S1s, what have you.

    • Replies: @Miro23
  184. MEFOBILLS says:
    @Erebus

    The point of patents is they are legal methods of taking rents.

    The owner of the patent can then sell his goods/services into the markets at higher prices, as he is protected by a carve out in the law.

    Presumably, the patent holder has unique technology/know how/method, and thus can price his goods higher as he has a pseudo monopoly.

    This pseudo monopoly is purposeful carve out in law, to then drive innovation, to then eventually improve the lot of all. The founding fathers of America were not dumb-asses.

    When China steals American technology and ignores American patents, that is so THEY can take rents instead of the original inventor. It also short-circuits the American economy, as the industrial cycles to perfect manufacture are done “over- there” rather than benefiting middle class American’s. American middle classes never get the opportunity to work in trenches of industry, improving their lot in life by making incremental productive improvements.

    For example, American Car manufacturers are induced to move to China, while at night the same Chinese employees (of the American company) go to a copy cat factory. At this copy cat factory, the workers download their knowledge and transfer it.

    So, you can see that Patents become useless in the face of this “international” economic system, especially because Chinese work to benefit China. They are not interested in acting Morally – this is not part of their evolutionary make-up. The answer from Chinese people is usually, “Well, I can get away with it.” ” Or, you didn’t stop me.”

    This same thinking animates recent immigrants to the U.S. , who are shameless about uptaking of social services and taking welfare gibs, which they did not contribute to, and harm the historical American people.

    Exporting of jobs to take wage arbitrage, and importing of labor to take wage arbitrage, is NOT part of the American System. American’s are operating under a foreign occupation government and false economy. If you go back in time to when America was industrializing, the idea was to use water wheels to power industry, and the idea was also to educate American’s and have public health. COOLIE labor was the term used as something to avoid. We didn’t want to drive American labor down to Chinese Coolie practices, but instead wanted to use our intelligence, and natural resources to improve productivity.

    Now we live in Clown world, where American’s have become the Coolies, while China uses the American system. Thanks Jews.

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  185. The secret to China’s monumental economic success according to the Chinese Goverment has been:

    1)The Demographic elimination of young Chinese Males from every Engineering and Computer Science Department In China….

    2)A Labor Policy of developing India’s Youth for careers in Engineering and Computer Technology in China……

    3)Academically tracking Chinese Males into low-skill-marginal-low wage-blue collar jobs

  186. denk says:

    The ‘rule based’ five lies are nuthin but an international mafia syndicate hq in Washington DC.

    Its a very cozy setup.
    When anyone in the family needs a favor, he goes to the Don in the WH, works like a charm.
    In return, however, whenever the Don bark an order, you better jump , boy !

    When the Brits had difficulties with the Iranians in the 50’s over the nationalisation of oil fields, they called up the Don. Within a week, the Iranian govn was replaced by a Washington puppet. London got back its oil fields, the Iranians got twenty years of dark age under the murikkan installed Shah.

    In 2002 , Oz was tussling with tiny Timor over the delimitation of Timor leste oilfield.
    When the plucky Timorese wouldnt budge,
    the Aussies complained to mama Cheney that they were bullied by mighty Timor,.

    The Timorese team had stood its ground in negotiating with Oz.
    But Its one thing standing up to the deputy in Canberra, however, nobody mess with the Don. [1]
    With Washington’s intervention,
    The Timorese soon surrendered their oil fields, Canberra got away with a massive booty.

    This Huawei fiasco has nothing to do with ‘security’., everything to do with trade protectionism.

    In less than twenty years, a tiny Chinese outfit
    has catapulted into no 1 network gear supplier, previously an exclusive murikkan domain. The murikkans are visibly trembling.
    Whats poor little CISCO supposed to do ?
    Cry to mama. !

    We’r witnessing a three prong attack to take out the competition.

    A 24×7 fear porn campaign to smear Huawei

    The Don has slapped an internatioanl ‘Chinese exclusion act’ on Huawei, arm twisting all its
    satellites ‘allies’ to ban Huawei
    from their markets,

    uncle sham sez
    Free trade is fine…..as long as Im on a wining streak !

    Next came the jaw dropping kidnapping of Huawei’s CFO.

    Just when you think the mob cant descend any lower, The Don The Prez of United States went on air to demand ransom from China….pay up or else !

    The bandits have torn off their mask, drop all pretense of legitimacy, this is how desperate they are.
    They’ve no way to compete with China except thru scam, subterfuges and raw military might.

    Everybody knows the emperor has no clothes,
    but uncle sham smirks,
    ‘What are you gonna do with it’ ???

  187. peterAUS says:
    @eah

    China is a Communist party dictatorship, and Huawei has close ties to the Chinese government…

    It’s probably even worse, as:

    China is an Asian type oligarchic dictatorship, and Huawei has close ties to the Chinese government..

    ..

  188. Antipropo says:
    @Thomm

    So nothing to say about the article just here to pounce on any anti Israeli comment?

  189. M Edward says:

    A race to be enslaved by the Communist Chinese ? ……. No thanks, let’s drag our feet and keep them out.

    However, if I were “in charge”, I would wipe the Communist off the planet and that would be that…..

    My two cents.

  190. M Edward says:
    @Vidi

    Population reduction, mind control, mass surveillance…. you know, what we’ve all been dreaming of.

  191. MEFOBILLS says:
    @War for Blair Mountain

    Booker T. Washington, “Cast down your buckets where you are.”

    That means you improve the lot of your own people.

    This impulse to import slave labor or export jobs is a lie. Even worse, the lie is in contravention to actual good economics. Economics also includes the non-money volunteer economy, and it includes things that cannot be calculated like social cohesion. Our hand rubbing friends reduce everything to a price, which is a lie. Some things cannot be priced.

    Importing labor only benefits sectors of the economy. Example: Miguel is imported to mow lawns, and Maria is imported to clean houses. The person benefiting has Maria giving him head while he watches Miguel mow his lawn. What was Arnold Schwarzenegger housemaids name? Knock on effect: American teenagers forget how to mow grass and the value of hard work. Teenagers think work at McDonald’s is beneath them and only for imported third world people.

    Do the math: Maria squats out 10 kids, they cost X amount in hospital, then 15 K per kid per year for public schooling, then transfer of monies in the form of additional medical, food stamps and so on. You quickly get up past the million dollar mark. Does Maria and Manuel contribute that much in taxes and benefits to society overall? No. They are a net drain, but also a net benefit for a small class of American’s.

    How about exporting Jobs to China to then build up an economic competitor. That benefited a class of finance elites in wall street, built up finance oligarchy, helped contribute to world wide contagion e.g. the 2008 collapse, and now many countries are struggling along with high social friction and low outputs. The Greek finance crises caused housewives to start hooking to make ends meet.

    All countries must have economic autarky to the extent possible. All foreign trade is only barter. This idea that you can export money (created at private banks) to then compensate for trade loss, only leads to debt slavery – as the debt eventually will have to be paid. Or rather the debt holders will flog the debtors to pay and pay as long as possible. Remember, all foreign trade does balance, the difference in trade flows is made up by money. The U.S. creates new debts, to make new dollars, to send to China in trade balance. China sends shit products to the U.S. to then displace American labor. China recycles its excess dollars into dollar zones around the world, to then buy up property and control land – for example in Africa.

    Who and Whom does not want to cast down their bucket where they are? Who and Whom are pushing hypnosis that money must be international? The U.S. has become the whore of Babylon.

    I can guarantee that Huawei did not invent their chip technology. Godfree, the author of this piece intimates that Huawei “did it on their own” by employing 100s of phds, and you know, they are so smart and capable and all.

    My guarantee is predicated on being in the very industry that Godfree knows little about, and watching said industry being dismantled and given away. My guarantee is being one of the inventors who helped invent the high speed circuits that Huawei depends on.

    Godfree is also economically illiterate in his assumptions that 5G will have all of the economic benefits he claims. Remember this always. Goods make prices. Prices fetch money.

    How much does 5G automate your factory to then produce prices quicker and easier? Many people will reject the Internet of Things. They don’t give a damn if their refrigerator and dryer are connected.

    Does automatic self driving improve productivity 1000 times… do employees get to work 1000 times faster. 5G is NOT that big of an advance in terms of productivity. Humans are unable to see through this fog, as their brain space has been colonized by hypnotic narrative at variance with objective reality.

    5G may even have some knock-on effects that could be devastating, such as the irradiation of the planet with unseen/unknown effects. But of course, our paid for Congress Critters (thanks Jews for 17’th amendment) are no longer the best and brightest, and unable to do long term civilization guidance – because they are no longer statesmen, but instead paid for puppets.

    • Replies: @Anon
  192. Jason Liu says:
    @peterAUS

    Why is that worse? Asian autocracy beats the hell out of actual communism any day.

  193. Mike P says:
    @MEFOBILLS

    Interesting perspective – thanks for posting. One question though – you say “The advent of energy and machines accelerate labor, creating wealth. The advent of intelligent machines accelerates labor and wealth production.”

    Intelligent machines are also making more and more labor redundant, which means fewer opportunities for “wealth creation” for anyone unable to design those intelligent machines. Would this not in the end produce a similar outcome as the outsourcing of manufacturing?

    • Replies: @MEFOBILLS
  194. Moi says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    Interestingly, while driving home a few minutes ago, I heard NYT’s David Sanger and NPR Terry Gross talking about how Huawei is not to trusted because of its close ties to the PRC government and military. I knew many years ago that Huawei would clean Cisco Systems clock. But listening to those two, you’d think Huawei has gotten where it is through technology theft.

    It’s worth noting that Sanger and Gross are Jewish and Sanger’s son serves/served in the IDF.

  195. Moi says:
    @Anon

    …and perhaps our boys/gals can stay home instead of invading and bombing other people.

  196. Is there an alternative to 5G that doesn’t tear DNA apart?….Pidgeons?

  197. @Wizard of Oz

    Had AT&T not withdrawn from its 5G contract (force majeure?), Huawei would have delivered its 5G infractrure, equipment and embedded software as a turnkey product over which AT&T would have had complete control.

    AT&T, with its own, vast security labs and 50 years experience installing back doors and cooperating with security agencies, would then install its own security software/hardware layers to monitor hacking infiltrations.

    Nothing is totally safe, of course, but AT&T would have installed Huawei’s telecom systems using its own employees, properly training and supervised as always.

    The upset over Huawei is both symbolic and materially significant: six years ahead of schedule China is reaching CHINA2025 goals.

    If you want a real high-tech phone system you have to pay China.

    If you want a reliable face recognition system you have to pay China.

    If you want a quantum encrypted network, as the NYPD did, you have to pay China.

    China is moving up the value pyramid far more rapidly than our idiotic media lets on–usually in fields in which we do not compete.

    Excluding Huawei is doubly dangerous because it deprives us of advanced technology and China can exclude our technologies too.

  198. Johan says:

    Holy Moses, this article reads like a freak, like a techno-religious mad man has baked a cult sermon from ideological techno-scriptures, intended for a congregation of cultish progress believers?
    It is a sauce of ideological cult-techno-glamour-managerial-marketing-babble-slogan-vocabulary like: ‘productivity tool’, ‘“Internet of Things”(IoT)’, ‘enabling smart factories and smart cities’, ‘ultra-reliable, low-latency services’, ‘machine-to-machine connection and autonomous driving’, ‘internet-connected web of things to integrate their activities’, ‘almost-living machine-machine and machine-human environment’, ‘printable RF identifiers’, ‘man-machine interface a reactive ‘living’ feel’ ,’trend-setting technology’, ‘experience inferior service’, ‘less upgradeable elements’, ‘must integrate more costly, less functional, less compatible ‘, etc. etc. Techno-cult cocaine for the brain?

    As Rousseau wrote, a thinking man, a depraved animal…

  199. @peterAUS

    On all eight quantifiable measures of democracy, China leads the world. Flat out. https://www.unz.com/article/selling-democracy-to-china/.

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    , @peterAUS
  200. @Godfree Roberts

    Amazingly China did all this by not importing its tech workforce from India….

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
    , @Anon
  201. MEFOBILLS says:
    @Mike P

    High Mike and thanks for the thoughtful reply.

    Yes, we have entered a new era where intelligent machines are making labor redundant. Up until now, humans applied their intelligence to electrical horsepower, to then make goods/services. In other words, thanks to Nikola Tesla, humans leaped forward with new power forming the modern world.

    The rate of goods and services production went up, because these things came together: Earth (minerals) + Energy; and Labor. Money coordinates the production process, and distribution.

    The article about Huawei mentions a factory that is mostly automated. So, how is this good for China?

    It only works if China makes goods and services for the world, and the rest of the world becomes unemployed.

    What happens is owners of Capital, who own the factory, then aggregate money to themselves, which then allows plutocracy to arise.

    Eventually, all workers are robots, with a few engineers and technicians to service said robots. The economic equation then becomes Earth+Energy+Smart Machines/Robots = Goods as Prices. Humans are mostly cut out of the production equation.

    Consumers of Robotic factory output are cut out of the price mechanism as they do not have money to buy production output.

    The best system for dealing with this is Gap theory as explained in Douglas Social Credit.

    Of course, our (((friends))) control the narrative, and are just fine with the dialectic of finance capitalism or communism. “We hold the world’s axis in our hands and spin it.”

    The third way is industrial capitalism, with a form of sovereign money. Douglas Social Credit injects money into the price system, to then drive down the price of goods at point of retail. Retail then becomes an agent to feedback to industry … what goods are desired and what goods are undesirable. This then allows people to buy their output as prices are driven down to liquidate goods. Or, in the case of robots, Douglas injection into price system allows robotic production to be liquidated using money and prices at retail stores. It is inevitable that some injection into households will also be required in future, to then avoid communism.

    We cannot inject into households, if most of the households are illegal aliens. Again, our ((friends)) are an existential problem for us as they are in the way.

    But, don’t expect these sort of higher economic concepts to be issued forth by our usurious friends, it goes against their tribal mechanism of taking rents as part of their evolutionary group method.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
    , @Mike P
  202. Erebus says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    Peter doesn’t do “quantifiable”.

  203. Erebus says:
    @MEFOBILLS

    The point of patents is … a pseudo monopoly.

    I am reasonably familiar with patents and have an informed layman’s grasp of patent law.

    China cannot “steal American patents” if they aren’t also Chinese patents, any more than I can “steal” a Brazilian or German patent if it isn’t also registered in my own country. Or, an American can “steal” a Chinese patent if the inventor didn’t also file his patent in the US. In the absence of a patent recognition agreement/treaty, foreign patents are, and have always been fair game. The US took advantage of that fact in copying European technologies through the 19th and early 20th centuries.

    Parenthetically, that’s why the USSR applied for and were granted US patents for certain military technologies. The USM, under no obligation to respect USSR patents, could otherwise copy the technology at will.

    What patent law typically, but not always, precludes is the issuance of a national patent for a foreign invention by somebody other than the original inventor. That would be a violation of the “public domain” clause in most, but not all national patent law.

    The “stealing technology” dispute is, at bottom a cultural/civilizational gulf. The notion that an idea can be somebody’s property simply doesn’t exist in the Chinese mindset. Their notion of property doesn’t seem to extend beyond physical things, and the Chinese “steal technology” from each other with the same abandon that they “steal” from foreigners.

  204. peterAUS says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    On all eight quantifiable measures of democracy, China leads the world.

    Please…tell your handlers to tone down that shit a bit. It’s simply counterproductive.

    Just stick to technology and leave democracy, human rights and such out. Will feel much better. The propaganda, I mean.

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  205. peterAUS says:
    @MEFOBILLS

    So….if most of goods and services are supplied by automations and humans don’t need to work….how, in that society, those humans (not working) will be making a living?
    Say…..80 %, at least?

    Simple question, I guess.

    • Replies: @MEFOBILLS
  206. Mike P says:
    @MEFOBILLS

    Thanks for your reply. Yes, I agree that some sort of social engineering, overt or covert, will be needed to adapt to the ongoing industrial revolution.

    Even now, most western countries have only some 10-15% of the work force in manufacturing of goods; the rest perform “services,” often bullshit jobs. If given the authority, I could fire half the people at my workplace – quite possibly including myself – and things would go on as ever; probably better. I marvel at this “little engine that could” – how all this wasteful pseudo-activity is approved and paid for, and nobody bats an eye. It is really a welfare program cum occupational therapy of sorts, decoupled from any real production or human need, other than the need for activity itself.

    While that sounds all pretty absurd, I think this is very common, and still prefer this kind of “work” to any guaranteed income schemes, which would not oblige anyone to work, which I fear would only breed more dysfunction, drug use etc. It would be good though if we could find a way to release parents (mothers mostly) from unnecessary work and have them take care of their kids, without worrying how to pay the bills. While not rich, my wife and I can afford to have her stay home and take care of our son, which she enjoys and both of us find very relaxing.

    • Replies: @MEFOBILLS
  207. Yee says:

    MEFOBILLS,

    “I can guarantee that Huawei did not invent their chip technology…. My guarantee is being one of the inventors who helped invent the high speed circuits that Huawei depends on. ”

    Well, there wouldn’t be any company in the world who can claim they invent any technology, if they must invent everything in their products.

    Did Intel, Samsung, Qualcomm, Texas Instruments, NVIDIA, Micron etc. invent their own chip technology, by your standards?

    • Agree: Vidi
    • Replies: @MEFOBILLS
  208. @Erebus

    Thanks for pricking that balloon.

  209. @War for Blair Mountain

    I’v never thought about the ramifications.

    James Thompson would probably say we imported India’s underutilized geniuses while the (much smarter) Chinese put theirs to good use.

    The US has 10,000 super geniuses, the 160+ freaks, while China has 300,000. It’s not even a fair fight: they also have Confucius’ Special Sauce: the smart money always prioritizes ethics.

  210. Anonymous[469] • Disclaimer says:
    @eah

    I’m not sure what “noise” you are referring to — but I’m sorry, trust is definitely an issue when dealing with Huawei — I know: I work in the industry, and I can assure that it does play a role — I hear the talk — it plays a role when dealing with any Chinese company — whether you want to admit it or not, China is a Communist party dictatorship, and Huawei has close ties to the Chinese government — people dealing with Chinese companies consider this.

    The NSA will be all over their technologies and doing their best to sniff out any kind of abuse of trust. If Huawei were caught red handed, the USA market would be shut overnight while the European market would be hurt severely. It would take them a decade to recover trust, during which time they could have made so much bigger gains if they’d just played it straight.

    So I feel it’s extremely unlikely that the Huawei-CPC complex would choose to take risks at such an early stage.

  211. @peterAUS

    Have you ever taken the time to read an original document?

    To spend a few days alone with Magna Carta, say?

    I resisted the temptation until quite late in life, when I had the leisure to actually read shit.

    Instead of reading the headlines in our always-wrong-never-in-doubt media I read the actual shit and found we are living in Lala Land.

    We’re the planetary assholes on whom the British Police should serve anti-social behavior orders (ASBOs).

    We’ve brought pain, suffering, disease and death to every corner of the planet since 1946 while killing 1,000 civilians a day.

    We’re over. Over like the last Crusade. Which was bullshit in any case and precipitated our current decline.

    Those cunning, unscrupulous, slitty-eyed Chinks, on the other hand, have enriched every country that recognizes their existence. Anyway, here’s the Declaration:

    On December 17, the United Nations General Assembly took a quiet but historic vote, approving the Declaration on the Rights of Peasants and other People Working in Rural Areas, by a vote of 121-8 with 52 abstentions. The declaration, which was the product of some 17 years of diplomatic work led by the international peasant alliance La Via Campesina, formally extends human rights protections to farmers whose “seed sovereignty” is threatened by government and corporate practices. Most developing countries voted in favor of the resolution, while many developed country representatives abstained. The only “no” votes came from the United States, United Kingdom, Australia, New Zealand, Hungary, Israel, and Sweden.

    Anyone who reads the 30 Articles of the UN Declaration of Universal Human Rights will recognize, immediately, that China’s human rights record is far, far better than the USA’s or the EU’s. Of the 30 Articles in the Declaration, China leads 26-2, with two draws.

    http://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/

    [MORE]

    Now, Therefore THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY proclaims THIS UNIVERSAL DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS as a common standard of achievement for all peoples and all nations, to the end that every individual and every organ of society, keeping this Declaration constantly in mind, shall strive by teaching and education to promote respect for these rights and freedoms and by progressive measures, national and international, to secure their universal and effective recognition and observance, both among the peoples of Member States themselves and among the peoples of territories under their jurisdiction.

    Article 1.

    All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.

    Article 2.

    Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status. Furthermore, no distinction shall be made on the basis of the political, jurisdictional or international status of the country or territory to which a person belongs, whether it be independent, trust, non-self-governing or under any other limitation of sovereignty.

    Article 3.

    Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.

    Article 4.

    No one shall be held in slavery or servitude; slavery and the slave trade shall be prohibited in all their forms.

    Article 5.

    No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.

    Article 6.

    Everyone has the right to recognition everywhere as a person before the law.

    Article 7.

    All are equal before the law and are entitled without any discrimination to equal protection of the law. All are entitled to equal protection against any discrimination in violation of this Declaration and against any incitement to such discrimination.

    Article 8.

    Everyone has the right to an effective remedy by the competent national tribunals for acts violating the fundamental rights granted him by the constitution or by law.

    Article 9.

    No one shall be subjected to arbitrary arrest, detention or exile.

    Article 10.

    Everyone is entitled in full equality to a fair and public hearing by an independent and impartial tribunal, in the determination of his rights and obligations and of any criminal charge against him.

    Article 11.

    (1) Everyone charged with a penal offence has the right to be presumed innocent until proved guilty according to law in a public trial at which he has had all the guarantees necessary for his defence.
    (2) No one shall be held guilty of any penal offence on account of any act or omission which did not constitute a penal offence, under national or international law, at the time when it was committed. Nor shall a heavier penalty be imposed than the one that was applicable at the time the penal offence was committed.

    Article 12.

    No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks.

    Article 13.

    (1) Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each state.
    (2) Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.

    Article 14.

    (1) Everyone has the right to seek and to enjoy in other countries asylum from persecution.
    (2) This right may not be invoked in the case of prosecutions genuinely arising from non-political crimes or from acts contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.

    Article 15.

    (1) Everyone has the right to a nationality.
    (2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his nationality nor denied the right to change his nationality.

    Article 16.

    (1) Men and women of full age, without any limitation due to race, nationality or religion, have the right to marry and to found a family. They are entitled to equal rights as to marriage, during marriage and at its dissolution.
    (2) Marriage shall be entered into only with the free and full consent of the intending spouses.
    (3) The family is the natural and fundamental group unit of society and is entitled to protection by society and the State.

    Article 17.

    (1) Everyone has the right to own property alone as well as in association with others.
    (2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his property.

    Article 18.

    Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.

    Article 19.

    Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.

    Article 20.

    (1) Everyone has the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and association.
    (2) No one may be compelled to belong to an association.

    Article 21.

    (1) Everyone has the right to take part in the government of his country, directly or through freely chosen representatives.
    (2) Everyone has the right of equal access to public service in his country.
    (3) The will of the people shall be the basis of the authority of government; this will shall be expressed in periodic and genuine elections which shall be by universal and equal suffrage and shall be held by secret vote or by equivalent free voting procedures.

    Article 22.

    Everyone, as a member of society, has the right to social security and is entitled to realization, through national effort and international co-operation and in accordance with the organization and resources of each State, of the economic, social and cultural rights indispensable for his dignity and the free development of his personality.

    Article 23.

    (1) Everyone has the right to work, to free choice of employment, to just and favourable conditions of work and to protection against unemployment.
    (2) Everyone, without any discrimination, has the right to equal pay for equal work.
    (3) Everyone who works has the right to just and favourable remuneration ensuring for himself and his family an existence worthy of human dignity, and supplemented, if necessary, by other means of social protection.
    (4) Everyone has the right to form and to join trade unions for the protection of his interests.

    Article 24.

    Everyone has the right to rest and leisure, including reasonable limitation of working hours and periodic holidays with pay.

    Article 25.

    (1) Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.
    (2) Motherhood and childhood are entitled to special care and assistance. All children, whether born in or out of wedlock, shall enjoy the same social protection.

    Article 26.

    (1) Everyone has the right to education. Education shall be free, at least in the elementary and fundamental stages. Elementary education shall be compulsory. Technical and professional education shall be made generally available and higher education shall be equally accessible to all on the basis of merit.
    (2) Education shall be directed to the full development of the human personality and to the strengthening of respect for human rights and fundamental freedoms. It shall promote understanding, tolerance and friendship among all nations, racial or religious groups, and shall further the activities of the United Nations for the maintenance of peace.
    (3) Parents have a prior right to choose the kind of education that shall be given to their children.

    Article 27.

    (1) Everyone has the right freely to participate in the cultural life of the community, to enjoy the arts and to share in scientific advancement and its benefits.
    (2) Everyone has the right to the protection of the moral and material interests resulting from any scientific, literary or artistic production of which he is the author.

    Article 28.

    Everyone is entitled to a social and international order in which the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration can be fully realized.

    Article 29.

    (1) Everyone has duties to the community in which alone the free and full development of his personality is possible.
    (2) In the exercise of his rights and freedoms, everyone shall be subject only to such limitations as are determined by law solely for the purpose of securing due recognition and respect for the rights and freedoms of others and of meeting the just requirements of morality, public order and the general welfare in a democratic society.
    (3) These rights and freedoms may in no case be exercised contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.

    Article 30.

    Nothing in this Declaration may be interpreted as implying for any State, group or person any right to engage in any activity or to perform any act aimed at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms set forth herein.

    I say China leads 26-2.

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    , @Erebus
    , @MEFOBILLS
  212. Yee says:

    investments are from other Asian countries, and Europe has bigger investments than the US in China).

    Once again, the US demonstrates the power and skills of their propaganda. They can convince their people without concerns of facts and common knowledge.

    • Replies: @TT
  213. Gyre07 says:

    I’m an affluent American consumer and I need 5G like I need a hole in my head. This is just more BS hype to boost sales of discretionary ‘plastic crap’ that temporarily fills the emotional and mental voids that living in a low quality crony capitalist welfare state creates.

  214. peterAUS says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    We’re the planetary assholes on whom the British Police should serve anti-social behavior orders (ASBOs).

    You mean our elites? Quite.

    We’ve brought pain, suffering, disease and death to every corner of the planet since 1946 while killing 1,000 civilians a day.

    Not so sure about that number, but, overall agree, except that “we”. Our elites, I’d say.
    While we are on the topic of killing, what’s your take on The Great Mao killing those…remind me how many….Chinese?

    We’re over. Over like the last Crusade. Which was bullshit in any case and precipitated our current decline.

    Not so sure about the first sentence. As for the second and third we aren’t going there here.

    Those cunning, unscrupulous, slitty-eyed Chinks, on the other hand, have enriched every country that recognizes their existence.

    NOW you are talking.
    Cunning, unscrupulous and slity-eyed Chinks, or better, the top layer of Chinese society, as we speak. I’d leave serfs and proles out of it. Now…I hope that your handlers won’t get onto you, so you can expand on it. That cunning and unscrupulous, that is.
    As for enriching, how about those Chink elites make life a bit better for the rest of their own society so those fleeing that paradise don’t flood our neighbors, businesses and such. Ah, yes, beaches too and fishing spots, when we are onto it.

    • Replies: @denk
    , @Godfree Roberts
    , @tamo
  215. denk says:
    @Anon

    * Why isn’t Cisco leading anymore?*

    CISCO is leading from behind, a smear campaign against Huawei….and gloats about it.

    *Fear of Huawei spreads globally,” the report reads. “Despite denials, Huawei has struggled to de-link itself from China’s People’s Liberation Army and the Chinese government.”

    The paper’s author was Huawei’s main U.S. rival, the California-based company Cisco Systems.*

    The marketing campaign got a boost this week when a report from Congress said much the same thing, raising national security concerns about Huawei’s alleged use of its technology to help the Chinese government expand its overseas spying operations. U.S. suspicions surrounding Huawei have presented a business opportunity for Cisco and other firms in the hyper-competitive world of telecom. Senior Hill staffers at three separate congressional offices say an array of American tech firms have lobbied them to increase scrutiny of Huawei, using language similar to Cisco’s campaign.

    China has complained that the hurdles faced by Huawei in particular have amounted to the kind of arbitrary trade barrier that the United States has complained about on behalf of its companies around the world

    “Huawei has been extremely successful and disruptive around the world, but the one market it hasn’t been able to penetrate is the U.S.,” said Mark Fabbi, a vice president of research at Gartner. “And that’s mainly because of politics and lobbyists pushing really, really hard to put up barriers.”

    That has created an ideal environment for U.S. businesses to gain an upper hand.

    Publicly, the company, which makes equipment that manages the flow of data on the Internet, has not been shy about going after Huawei. Huawei is our biggest “long-term threat,” Cisco chief executive John Chambers said in media interviews earlier this year. He added that the firm does not always “play by the rules.”

    The House intelligence committee outlined its concerns in a report this week that could tilt the network equipment industry in favor of Cisco, Juniper and Hewlett-Packard in the United States,

    “China is cyberattacking us every day, [1] and we had real concerns about the role of Huawei and its connection to the Chinese government,” Rep. C.A. Dutch Ruppersberger (D-Md.) said in an interview.

    For business rivals, the worrisome ascent of Huawei has fortuitously coincided with growing fears of China’s economic clout, some analysts say.

    “What happens is you get competitors who are able to gin up lawmakers who are already wound up about China,” said one Hill staffer who was not authorized to speak publicly about the matter. “What they do is pull the string and see where the top spins.

    But some experts say these concerns are exaggerated. These experts note that much of Cisco’s own technology is manufactured in China.

    Doug Guthrie, dean of the George Washington University Business School, said the reaction to Huawei harks back to the fear in the 1980s of Japanese companies that were overtaking the U.S. auto industry and buying up iconic pieces of real estate, such as the Rockefeller building in New York.

    The decline of U.S. automakers and the rise of foreign competition hit a nerve for Americans.

    “It was long thought that we were the number-one economy and China just supplied cheap labor,” Guthrie said. “Now it is clear that China has a lot to offer in terms of innovation and industrial policy and state investment, and now people are scared.”

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/technology/huaweis-us-competitors-among-those-pushing-for-scrutiny-of-chinese-tech-firm/2012/10/10/b84d8d16-1256-11e2-a16b-2c110031514a_story.html?utm_term=.6aba4bf7198e

    *If Huawei is really that wonderful, then good, let China win this battle. But if this ends up creating a new US champion to compete with them head on and lead us into 6G, then we will be better off down the road.*

    May the best man wins !

    But is this a level playground ?

    Your know soccer ?
    China is playing against a 12 men team.

    ===============================

    Rep. C.A. Dutch Ruppersberger
    [1]
    yet another fucking lying piece of shit
    .

    • Replies: @Miro23
  216. Vidi says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    Russia was definitely not responsible for this massive change (in the $trillions).

    I’ll give you some hint (teeny-weeny one)–Russia’s entrance into the war in Syria with all her arsenal had everything to do with it. This is literally–on fingers. You want to learn what real global power and military balance is–buy my next book when it comes out tentatively in October, it is precisely about this.

    Perhaps I should have made myself clearer. But if you think that Russia’s intervention in Syria, with a few fighter jets and bombers, could influence the global shift of trillions of dollars — that’s “trillions” with twelve zeros — please do so.

    Believe me, it is not easy to communicate even basic ideas on practical geopolitics and geoeconomics to people who still measure everything by monetary indexes–US did it for decades and look where it took it. I can tell you upfront–your picture of the world is a wrong one, because it doesn’t account for how world actually works.

    Of course, security is always the first priority: one can’t do much if one is dead. However, Russia is achieving only stalemate with the West. A military victory is quite unlikely; a World War III will kill us all. If you want to win (and live), the economic route is the only feasible course, and it is here that China is doing most of the heavy work. That is what I wanted to say. (Putin is an economist and certainly knows this.)

    • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov
    , @Anon
  217. Vidi says:
    @Tyrion 2

    You mean like Facetime? Who uses that?

    First: I have not heard of Facetime. So yes, who uses it?

    And secondly, I was not talking about tiny, postage-stamp-sized, jerky pictures of the other party. With 5G, you’ll be able talk to anyone in the world with smooth, full-screen video. (Anyone, that is, outside the US technological ghetto.)

    I could definitely use a videophone. And once Americans see what that is like, they’ll demand it too.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    , @Anon
  218. Erebus says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    Have you ever taken the time to read an original document?

    You betcha! This one, cover to cover, bi-monthly (he’s a slow reader).

    “GRABS HOLD AND WON’T LET GO”

  219. Erebus says:
    @Ron Unz

    … it’s clear that the world MSM and corporations regard it as extremely important…

    I have to wonder how much of that is simply the search for the next big thing that can drive, or at least prop up the markets. Given that the fracking boom is morphing into the crackup boom, and the bond/credit markets are headed for a wall, something, anything, that can be hyped is going to get a lot of attention.

    Ultimately, I think we’ll see a lot more of “global reset” than we’ll see of 5G.

  220. Miro23 says:
    @denk

    “It was long thought that we were the number-one economy and China just supplied cheap labor,” Guthrie said. “Now it is clear that China has a lot to offer in terms of innovation and industrial policy and state investment, and now people are scared.”

    Doug Guthrie, dean of the George Washington University Business School

    This was a static Imperial type of analysis whereby corporations would gain access to a new global working class who were willing to work for a fraction of the wages of the existing Western working (and middle classes).

    The conceptual failure, was the assumption that they could control the Chinese slaves on the plantation.

    Americans corporations thought that they had found a source of long term cheap labour, whilst the Chinese discovered a fast track to innovation and industrial development – in fact the opportunity for hands on learning in advanced manufacturing courtesy of American corporate greed.

    • Replies: @denk
  221. bjondo says:

    if you can’t beat’em,
    lie, start a war
    like 1 or 2.
    be like Britain, Israel.

    End up a loser anyway.

    5ds

  222. Che Guava says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    Thanks for the reply. My reference to the colour was only to the background colour Mr. Unz uses to do distinguish the posts of commentators from those of commentors.

    Yellowish beige seems accurate.

    I am surprised that you were misinterpreting it, but, when, for example, the other Andrei, or Linh, or Steve Sailer, etc. is commenting on a thread, even not their own, there is a background colour to indicate that they write or have written articles, not just commenting on them.

    Your recent posts do not have that.

    Maybe I should consult a Pantone colour chart to be more precise on the colour of the background that Mr. Unz and staff use to indicate posts from article writers, on threads, theirs or not, rel. to commentorsw

    • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov
  223. @Vidi

    But if you think that Russia’s intervention in Syria, with a few fighter jets and bombers, could influence the global shift of trillions of dollars — that’s “trillions” with twelve zeros — please do so.

    I usually speak about things of which I have a pretty good grasp, that is know them with a very high degree of certainty. As I said, for people who continue to delude themselves with those zeros and trillions without understanding how they form and sustained–it is difficult to convey even simplest things on how real world operates. It operates on power balance with economy following. Anglo-American audiences are profoundly ignorant of power balances, militaries and how they operate and what is their influence. But to cut this short–here is RAND’s model of status of nations.

    https://smoothiex12.blogspot.com/search?q=Why+mathematical

    Most weight in it is military power, because one doesn’t have one if it doesn’t have world class economy. As per “few fighters”–you obviously are very badly informed about what is going on in Syria and what actual forces are involved there–you obviously have no clue about the weight of the salvo at US assets in ME Russia provides. I mean like being totally in the dark. Here is opinion of one very high positioned CIA senior officer publishing under the moniker.

    https://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2018/04/trumps-big-flop-in-syria-by-publius-tacitus.html

    P.S. FYI those “few” fighters and those “few” ships in Syria at the peak of operations could launch just at US Navy’s assets in Med up to 100 high speed anti-shipping cruise missiles + up to 20 Kinzhals–that is basically guaranteed annihilation of several CBGs. But most of it beyond the grasp of “economics” and “political science” “educated” Westerners.

    • Replies: @Sergey Krieger
    , @Vidi
  224. @Che Guava

    I am surprised that you were misinterpreting it,

    Ahh, I see. Agree, my bad–I did misread it. Yes, my posts are yellow only in the discussion threads to my articles. But then again–I am not really “regular” author.

    • Replies: @Che Guava
  225. Che Guava says:

    I suppose that this site must have been subjected to have received a heavy DDoS,, otherwise why Cloudflare?

    Really, it seems that there was never such an attack, but ‘Cloudflare’ is sure making the site work less well for many.

  226. @Andrei Martyanov

    One has to be completely brainwashed and lose all semblance of logical thinking capacity to believe that country which derives most of GDP from various services, real estate and other bubbles and some virtual shit flowing in the markets can translate those zeroes into real power, military one I mean. There is also soft things that cannot be included into real military power like military school of thought, experience and organization of military forces and leadership. In this regard USSR imho represented an absolute pinnacle of real power backed by military and corresponding economy to back that military. China now despite as you put it elsewhere being world manufacturing hub still is not even close. Russia obviously conserving and now building upon that legacy seems like well positioned in military realm. As usually agree with your excellent points on all these matters.

    • Agree: Andrei Martyanov
  227. Che Guava says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    It doesn’t matter. You will always be one of many good teachers to me.

    • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov
  228. teotoon says:
    @Anonymous

    You are so right! If only Rome had understood that in order for it to be reborn stronger, faster, and smarter Attila the Hun had to defeat and rule the known world in its stead; European Civilization would be thousands of years ahead of where it is today.

  229. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Vidi

    Are you posting from the 2000s? Good quality video chat has been a thing for ages. 4G can easily handle it. I guess the fact that you don’t know this or use it shows how useful it is?

    • Replies: @Vidi
  230. Vidi says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    As I half expected, you focused on the first part of my reply and ignored the meat of it, the second part.

    As per “few fighters”–you obviously are very badly informed about what is going on in Syria and what actual forces are involved there–you obviously have no clue about the weight of the salvo at US assets in ME Russia provides.

    I did say “a few fighter jets and bombers”. Please explain how those could affect the global flow of trillions of dollars.

    Also explain how Russia can defeat the West militarily without killing us all. Whereas China can and is doing most of the economic fighting — where the real battle is being fought.

    • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov
  231. Vidi says:
    @Tyrion 2

    Are you posting from the 2000s? Good quality video chat has been a thing for ages. 4G can easily handle it.

    The 4G infrastructure is laughably underpowered. That is why 4G video chat is so expensive.

    Huawei’s big advantage — and why the US is so frightened — is that it can supply true 5G cell towers (not the fake 5G being pushed by AT&T) and a network muscular enough to handle video.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  232. Svigor says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    That wasn’t an ad hominem attack, dummy (but that was).

  233. MEFOBILLS says:
    @Mike P

    Hello Mike, very interesting comment.

    Post WW2 U.S. private debts were mostly paid off. This was done before the war via Reconstruction Finance Corporation, and also done during the war with line item money conjured from nothing. This conjured money went on to pay for factories and salaries, while at the same time personal consumption was low, and the savings went on to pay down personal debts.

    During WW2 excess production of war goods were blown up or left on the battlefield when done. Post WW2, a new debt cycle began (of private debts) and former war factories were converted to make consumer goods.

    This debt cycle stimulated consumer goods production and consumption, which lasted until 1970 or so. The cultural revolution of mid 60’s, and a need to create new debtors induced women into the workforce. This had the knock on effect of lowering wages and breaking the volunteer economy.

    With women no longer volunteering in PTA, shuttling kids around, being eyes on the street, the social compact and social cohesion started breaking down. It became much much harder to raise a family.

    The end of that debt cycle was around 30 years later, and it needed new debtors. New debts always pay off old debts because debt instruments make exponential claims. Holders of debt instruments (the finance class mostly) want to be paid, and that means importing third world people, as we have run out of women; and children by law cannot have a debt hook thrust into their mouth. Well, we have sort of done that to children entering college.

    So, you can see – we actually can run a first world economy with a large volunteer component, especially with women who would choose to stay at home. It can only be done by ejecting the debt based state sponsored usury system currently providing our matrix. And by the way, wall street was a huge actor in moving America’s industry and Patrimony to China.

    The idea is to drive prices down to their lowest level, and produce within your local economy. Economic freedom is a pre-condition to political freedom.

    According to Simon Patten, government lowers prices in its sector, which is the commons and inelastic markets. A captured government works for its constituents, which is why I’m for Senators to wear patches on the their suits, something like NASCAR drivers.

    In today’s clown world, government is not allowed to create sovereign money to inject properly into the commons or price system. Also, as government is paid off, and people within government are low IQ puppets, as was intended by bankster led progressive era reforms of Woodrow Wilson, higher thought concepts are beyond their ability.

    You can see why our (((friends))) are an existential threat because every thing they stand for is in contravention to the logos, or the natural order of things.

    It will probably be Russia that is able to move into the future with robotic production and a large volunteer component to their economy. Already, they are much more efficient than the size of the GDP suggests.

    • Agree: Mike P
    • Replies: @Anonymous
  234. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Vidi

    You seem to be from a parallel universe. Not only is video chat free and easily available and has been for ages, but no one cares – in fact they prefer not to use voice even. Text-based chat apps have taken over…since Blackberry chat way back a decade ago.

    • Replies: @Vidi
  235. 5G radiation is really bad for humans.

  236. MEFOBILLS says:
    @Yee

    Yee,

    I never had American’s come to my desk and try to pump me for knowledge. I never had American’s or Westerners desperately try to work around my patents.

    When we invited Chinese in, it was always a one way street. They would suck up what they could, but if you tried to get anything in return, it was always “talk to my boss.” They had elaborate schemes to take but not give.

    I think it is cultural. It might also be genetic. Many millions of Chinese have been culled over history, those that couldn’t get along were wiped out.

    In general, Westerner’s … especially white people, have a moral code. This code was produced after the fourth ice ages as an evolutionary adaption. Closely related to this moral code is guilt.

    The fourth ice age evolutionary adaption of Han tribes is Shame.

    This is why , unless they are caught – there is no shame in stealing.

    I was among the first to train Chinese engineers, and among the first to export factories to China.

  237. MEFOBILLS says:
    @peterAUS

    Peter,

    You want to know how 80% will survive without working.

    The economic surplus is created by robots making goods and services. This means that goods production is the conversion of the earth to make things, using earths minerals, earths energy, and little human labor.

    The goods are still being produced and they have to be distributed. They are distributed as they have very low price at point of retail. The price is driven down, to the liquidation point, by injecting debt free money into the price system (at that level). This money is later taken up by taxes in the money cycle. (Money loops in cycles if you didn’t know that.)

    This then means the cost of living is driven down by a large degree. Some people, especially families will require direct injections, something like what Russia is doing now.

    There will still be human services that only humans can perform for each other, that sector of the economy will have money available.

    From 1938 to 1974 Canada ran a sovereign economy, where they injected into families, and also injected into the commons. There was no great inflation or high public debt by 74.

    Propaganda mouthpieces like the owned press (who owns the press?) spread FUD (fear, uncertainty and disease). There are actual solutions to the problems we face.

    • Replies: @Sergey Krieger
    , @peterAUS
  238. Vidi says:
    @Tyrion 2

    You seem to be from a parallel universe. Not only is video chat free and easily available and has been for ages

    I don’t know if you are ignorant or you are disingenuous. The chat apps might be free, but the data charges for video are not cheap. As I said, 4G’s infrastructure is laughably underpowered for video — but Huawei’s 5G will not be. That is why the U.S. is so frightened.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  239. MEFOBILLS says:
    @Erebus

    Erebus,

    Agree with you statement:

    The “stealing technology” dispute is, at bottom a cultural/civilizational gulf. The notion that an idea can be somebody’s property simply doesn’t exist in the Chinese mindset. Their notion of property doesn’t seem to extend beyond physical things, and the Chinese “steal technology” from each other with the same abandon that they “steal” from foreigners.

    They don’t steal directly, the steal indirectly. Or they straight up use your technology until getting caught. The honor code doesn’t exist, or more accurately is at a low level. Japanese are Han’s, yet have a highly developed honor code. This alone means that business with Chinese should always be done with great caution.

    Godfree’s comment about pricking my balloon says more about him than me.

    China does steal with abandon, they do engage in industrial espionage, they do tilt the playing field to their advantage, they DID recycle dollars back to the U.S. to then help keep interest rates low (in U.S.) to then keep the theft of industry cycle going.

    All of my allegations against China are observable and verifiable reality.

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
    , @Anon
    , @Erebus
  240. @MEFOBILLS

    You are talking communism/ socialism. The key factor here is who owns robots and other means of production and natural resources. With means of production in private hands expect hell on earth.

  241. denk says:
    @Miro23

    Greed

    You wont find this word in Trump’s tweets,
    its all about….

    Chinese robbing our jobs,
    Forced IP transfer,
    IP theft,
    Chinese wanna destroy our economy.
    blah blah blah…

    Always looking out for bogeyman, scapegoats.
    That’s the trouble with murikka. !

  242. MEFOBILLS says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    Godfree

    Have you ever taken the time to read an original document?

    To spend a few days alone with Magna Carta, say?

    Since you read the original Magna Carta, you may recall how debts to Jews were disallowed.

    This is because they had been putting house to house using Usury. When a Jewish home was burned, that was to get rid of debt instruments.

    After Magna Carta, England ran a Talley Stick System. Sheriffs also became elected and thus were guardians of the people against tyrants. The U.S. constitution owes much to the Magna Carta.

    England went off the rails in 1694 when Bank of England overturned the Talley System and the country became in thrall to debt spreading bank credit. Orange King revolution, Cromwell, Rothschild…. all of these were attacks from the tribe to get back into country.

    The construct built after 1694 eventually come to be called BIZWOG (evolved to today’s methods). Britain, Israel, Zionist World Government. BIZWOG infested the U.S. after 1913 and especially after WW2.

    China, despite their thefts of America’s patrimony, is running a quasi Sovereign money system and are using INDUSTRIAL capitalism.

    This form of economy always wins even if China didn’t cheat or steal. Cheating and stealing helps move up the industrial curve faster. Let’s also not forget China has been “gifted” America’s patrimony by Wall Street, using greenmail tactics and hypnosis.

    Germany under Bismark is very similar, a new industrial economy popped into being, and the “finance capitalist” west did not know how to respond, so Plutocrats within the West maneuvered for war.

    • Replies: @Mike P
  243. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Vidi

    I was using my unlimited phone data for downloading and streaminh 1080p films five years ago through my laptop and a tethered connection as I was moving around a lot for work. That wasn’t even 4G and was very good. Honestly, you’re crazy.

    • Replies: @Vidi
  244. Mike P says:
    @MEFOBILLS

    The parallel to 19th/early 20th century Germany is spot on. The German industrialists also started out as copycats but soon overtook the British in terms of not only capacity and quality but also innovation. China is on a similar path – going from copying to innovating by themselves.

    Both China and Germany have better work ethics, better team spirit, and better public education than the Anglo world. There is a reason why Germany is one of few old industrial countries that can still keep up.

  245. denk says:
    @peterAUS

    As for enriching, how about those Chink elites make life a bit better for the rest of their own society so those fleeing that paradise don’t flood our neighbors, businesses and such. Ah, yes, beaches too and fishing spots, when we are onto it.

    YOu can always petition to your elites to restrict those chinaman entry, but wait, your hoteliers want their monies, your Unis want their fees, your property developers want these customers, so there ….?

    Why dont you try something useful and moral, petition your elites to stop messing up peoples life, this planet is not meant for whiteys alone you know ?

    Ever heard of charity starts at home ?
    ————————
    Aussie diplomates on Indon troops raping Timorese civilians..
    sounds like fun”. Another wrote: “sounds like the population are in raptures.

    Referring to a report by the Indonesian resistance, Fretilin, that describes Indonesia as an “impotent” invader, another diplomat sneered: “If ‘the enemy was impotent’, as stated, how come they are daily raping the captured population? Or is the former a result of the latter?”
    ————————

    *The terror that followed has few parallels; not even Pol Pot succeeded in killing, proportionally, as many Cambodians as Suharto and his fellow generals killed in East Timor. Out of a population of almost a million, up to a third were extinguished.

    This was the second holocaust for which Suharto was responsible. A decade earlier, in 1965, Suharto wrested power in Indonesia in a bloodbath that took more than a million lives. The CIA reported: “In terms of numbers killed, the massacres rank as one of the worst mass murders of the 20th century.”*

    http://johnpilger.com/articles/the-rape-of-east-timor-sounds-like-fun-

  246. @Vidi

    I did say “a few fighter jets and bombers”. Please explain how those could affect the global flow of trillions of dollars.

    1. I am not going to provide you here (at Unz) with lectures on:
    a) Geopolitics;
    b) Military balance;
    c) Fundamentals of R&D and procurement policies;
    d) How it is all related to real economy and Composite Index of National Capability;
    e) History;
    f) Physical and tactical and operational principles of modern weapon systems;
    g) Defense policies, doctrines and strategies of nations.

    If you want to get a primer, get this:

    2. Again, I can not emphasize enough a simple fact that this view is a typical Anglo-American view in the foundation of American ongoing implosion:

    Whereas China can and is doing most of the economic fighting — where the real battle is being fought.

    China militarily, without Russia, would be easily cut out of her Shipping Lanes Of Communications (SLOC) and starved for resources with PLAN being shoved into the narrow confines of the First island Chain and on that–Chinese economy would be finished. But here we are getting into the tactical and operational issues which I also am not going to address here specifically for you. Militarily China is not even in the same league with Russia and US, not even close. China can not defend whole Eurasian Continent, Russia can and does. China remains and will remain in the wake of Russia’s geopolitical game because of that.

    Also explain how Russia can defeat the West militarily without killing us all

    You need to try studying evolution of the conventional warfare to get this. I will disclose to you some “secret” both Russia and NATO have purely conventional contingency planning for Europe, guess what–NATO loses. See #1.

    As I said before–want to learn? Read my next book when it comes out in October–it answers all of your questions.

  247. @Che Guava

    Thank you for your kind words.

  248. @MEFOBILLS

    If All of your allegations against China are observable and verifiable reality, then tell us where we can observe and verify them.

  249. Vidi says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    I am not going to provide you here (at Unz) with lectures on [etc etc]

    While I would like to learn more about military matters, I don’t think I need you to teach me macroeconomics. I notice that you are still avoiding my question: How did Russia’s few fighter jets and bombers in the Middle East trigger an enormous shift of trillions in the global flow of dollars? Please be specific and convincing, and hold the insults.

    China militarily, without Russia, would be easily cut out of her Shipping Lanes Of Communications (SLOC) and starved for resources with PLAN being shoved into the narrow confines of the First island Chain and on that–Chinese economy would be finished.

    China’s navy is actually much larger than Russia’s (see the 052D and 055 destroyers, and the 095 nuclear submarines), is growing rapidly, and will be very strong in years to come.

    You need to try studying evolution of the conventional warfare to get this. I will disclose to you some “secret” both Russia and NATO have purely conventional contingency planning for Europe, guess what–NATO loses.

    When Napoleon entered Moscow, did Russia lose the war then and there? Of course not. Similarly, when Russia fights off an initial Western strike, will the West give up? Or will it escalate? Can Russia win WW 3 without killing us all? I think not.

    Therefore, if you want to win (and live), the military option is out. In the economic battle, China’s doing most of the work. Please don’t pretend that China’s doing nothing at the moment — the Middle Kingdom’s actually doing much more than Russia in the battle that counts.

    • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov
  250. Vidi says:
    @Tyrion 2

    I was using my unlimited phone data for downloading and streaminh 1080p films five years ago through my laptop and a tethered connection as I was moving around a lot for work. That wasn’t even 4G and was very good. Honestly, you’re crazy.

    Now imagine 100 people in your neighborhood all trying to do the same thing at the same time. The 4G network will totally jam up, due to all the video traffic. Your film will be so jerky as to be unwatchable. A 5G network won’t have problems — at least if Huawei’s hardware is the backbone of that network. The combination of high cellular data rates and a strong network is what frightens the U.S.

    • Troll: Tyrion 2
  251. tamo says:
    @peterAUS

    You sound like a stupid low-iq ALBINO MONKEY aka a MORONIC HONKIE SHITBAG with a FOUL BODY ODOR.

  252. @Vidi

    While I would like to learn more about military matters,

    You can’t, if you are an average, which you come across as, product of Anglo-American “education”. The rest is irrelevant, because most of you know about Anglo-American world since roughly 1941 is wrong.

    • Replies: @Vidi
  253. goofy says:
    @anonymous

    It’s like saying you already have your horse carriage and you don’t understand why you need a car.
    It is called progress. Whoever invents/leads the technology.

  254. Vidi says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    You can’t, if you are an average, which you come across as, product of Anglo-American “education”. The rest is irrelevant, because most of you know about Anglo-American world since roughly 1941 is wrong.

    I asked you to hold the insults, but here you go again.

    And you are still avoiding my question: How did Russia’s few fighter jets and bombers in the Middle East trigger an enormous shift of trillions in the global flow of dollars?

    I doubt you can answer. The true battle is in economics, and China is the country doing most of the work there.

  255. @Vidi

    And you are still avoiding my question: How did Russia’s few fighter jets and bombers in the Middle East trigger an enormous shift of trillions in the global flow of dollars?

    Most likely I am avoiding your question because I have no clue, so–the best way to deal with it for you is to investigate it yourself;-)

  256. Anonymous[469] • Disclaimer says:
    @MEFOBILLS

    It will probably be Russia that is able to move into the future with robotic production and a large volunteer component to their economy. Already, they are much more efficient than the size of the GDP suggests.

    I agree with most of your post, but Russia has a whole bunch of its own problems. Alcoholism is rampant and Russians seem to have difficulty loving each other. Certainly individually clever people, but I think their lower social/emotional intelligence is a limiting factor for them.

  257. Anon[378] • Disclaimer says:
    @MEFOBILLS

    > All of my allegations against China are observable and verifiable reality.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_Espionage_Act_of_1996

    Don’t try to regurgitate the vomits from the echo chambers. Do some work yourself to tally up the number of court cases since 1996 charged under the USA Economic Espionage Act (EEA 1831 and EEA 1832) that favour USA and found guilty to ESA not those phony “unauthorized access to computers” face saving charges, and USA come up top. And guilty I mean at least one of the defendants convicted by the judges or juries, or at least one of the defendants already commited suicide. If you plot the log-log plot of the number of cases against the nominal national GDP you will find a log-log linear relationship, i.e. they are just the normal consequence of competition in free market, even by absolute value or by per trillion nominal GDP the USA data came up top.

    ESA 1831, 1832
    Rank | NCasePerTrillionGDP | NCase | Benefit Country
    1 | 4.08 | 76 | U.S
    2 | 3.32 | 1 | Israel
    3 | 2.16 | 46 | China
    4 | 2.07 | 4 | S. Korea
    5 | 1.68 | 1 | Vietnam

    • Replies: @Anon
  258. Anonymous[469] • Disclaimer says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    Ha? Dude, weak…

  259. Anon[378] • Disclaimer says:
    @Vidi

    > How did Russia’s few fighter jets and bombers in the Middle East trigger an enormous shift of trillions in the global flow of dollars?

    You are pretty ignorant about international politics and economics. Do you think that US involvement in Syria is just for fun? The most economical transport of Middle East oil and gas to Europe is pipeline through Syria and that is impossible with a pro-Russia Syria. On the other hand the Russian is already constructing their south stream pipeline through Turkey, in addition to the already working north stream through Baltic Sea. Trillions dollars of European energy demands will go to Russia. Russia needs to protect the economic viability of their northern and southern pipelines against competitions.

    • Replies: @Vidi
  260. Rdm says:

    It has become more and more clear as time went by here in Unz that majority of WN commenters are usually adept at commenting and verbal communications. However when it comes to technical details, they all fall short and shrugged it off as those details don’t matter at all.

    Those who are technically savvy tend to be immigrants (either Europeans or Asians) who are well aware of global politics and well-versed in technical stuff.

  261. Anon[378] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    A measure of the spin and victimization is the rate of the main Economic Espionage charges being dropped, not guilty.

    EEA 1831, 1832 dropped
    Rank | NCasePerTrillionGDP | NCase | Benefit Country | status
    1 | 0.4698 | 10 | China | Dropped
    2 | 0.1911 | 1 | Japan | Dropped
    3 | 0.1611 | 3 | U.S | Dropped

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  262. Vidi says:
    @Anon

    How did Russia’s few fighter jets and bombers in the Middle East trigger an enormous shift of trillions in the global flow of dollars?

    You are pretty ignorant about international politics and economics. Do you think that US involvement in Syria is just for fun? The most economical transport of Middle East oil and gas to Europe is pipeline through Syria and that is impossible with a pro-Russia Syria. On the other hand the Russian is already constructing their south stream pipeline through Turkey, in addition to the already working north stream through Baltic Sea. Trillions dollars of European energy demands will go to Russia. Russia needs to protect the economic viability of their northern and southern pipelines against competiti

    Thank you for not answering my question.

    • Replies: @Anon
  263. Anon[378] • Disclaimer says:
    @Vidi

    > Thank you for not answering my question.

    People can see you are too dumb to understand. Why is US leaving Syria?? The Russians are laughing all the way to the banks. US wasted all that money and got nothing in return, and flooded Europe with all those refugees. Will Europe buy the more expensive US LNG? Smart move US.

  264. @Anon

    Can you provide links for those stats?

    • Replies: @Anon
  265. peterAUS says:
    @MEFOBILLS

    Some people, especially families will require direct injections….

    You mean those 80 % unemployed will “require direct injections”. Looks like it. Which brings us to the crux of the problem.
    WHO decides who will “require direct injection”?
    And, is it possible that the “direct injection” can be scaled down, even declined? You know, the (perceived) “undesirables’. Like, in this paradigm, “Nazis” and “racists”, for example? Or ex-convicts for heavy crimes? If so, again, WHO decides that?
    Some, ahm, “committee” or government body? And…if so, who makes/creates those bodies? By which criteria?
    I trust you’ve thought about that and have a ready answer.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
    , @Joe Wong
  266. peterAUS says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    The Great Mao killing happened in our media, not in China.

    You, sir, are certifiable idiot.

    • Replies: @Biff
    , @Joe Wong
  267. Yee says:

    MEFOBILLS,

    “I never had American’s come to my desk and try to pump me for knowledge. I never had American’s or Westerners desperately try to work around my patents.
    ….
    When we invited Chinese in, … They would suck up what they could
    ….
    I think it is cultural. It might also be genetic.”

    It’s indeed cultural. Chinese culture encourage people to learn. Confucius said 2500 years ago, “Three men traveling together, there’s always one who can be my teacher”. Learning is not a shameful nor immoral behavior.

    I think your personal experience that “American’s never come to my desk and try to pump me for knowledge” doesn’t represent the whole Western world, otherwise you’d be still writing on parchments. No paper and no press printing for you. And of course likely no education for you either, since writing on parchments is too expensive a way to spread knowledge.

    Personally, I’m against monopoly of knowledge to gain money. But unfortunately the West rules the world, they get to make laws about right and wrong. My only request is that don’t drag “moral” into a simple “chase for money” matter.

    Keep your knowledge secret if it’s so sacred. But if you want to make money with it, then it’s always subject to bargaining. No one holding a gun to your head, was there?

    • Replies: @tamo
  268. Paul C. says:
    @Ron Unz

    Ron, there’s nothing good about 5G. It’s a weapon. To be used against the populations.

    Please research the human health effects. It would be great to hear your voice on the subject afterwards. Look up “active denial system” as well.

    https://thefullertoninformer.com

  269. tamo says:
    @Yee

    America is the granddaddy of industrial espionage and counterfeiting. When America was a developing country in the 19th and early 20th centuries, An America that lacked both creativity and originality, was the biggest thieving- copycat in the world. Consequently, the U.S. became the counterfeit capital of the world. America copied other countries’ inventions, ideas without regard to patents, copyright, trademarks. Even the U.S. Treasury Department under Alexander Hamilton set up a bounty system for rewarding anybody for stealing and bringing foreign technologies to America. As a matter of fact, the 19th century American textile industry was basically based on stolen British technologies. Also Americans were infamous for illegally copying Charles Dickens’ novels or manufacturing inferior hats in New York and then slapping made-in Paris labels on them and had a very bad reputation for making unsafe and gross food products (For example, American meat packers used extremely harmful TB -infected pork to make sausages). You can find all this information and more by reading Aug 26, 2007 Boston Globe article named A NATION OF OUTLAWS A CENTURY AGO, THAT WASN’T CHINA—– IT WAS US and also a Dec 5, 2012 Foreign Policy article titled WE WERE PIRATES, TOO. Every developed country went through copying stage before it became innovative. Germans copied from British. Americans stole and copied from Europe (Even in the early 20th century, American car makers were busy reverse-engineering more advanced European cars) and Japan stole and copied from both Europe and America. China is no exception to the rule. Also before the Industrial Revolution the technologically backward Europeans directly or indirectly copied a lot of things from China and Islamic civilization

  270. Regula says:
    @Anon

    This is all likely true. The question though is: how much more potent can the technology be made before the intensity of microwaves necessary to drive I. E. 6G networks and beyond, kills the humans and nature alike?

  271. Biff says:
    @peterAUS

    You, sir, are certifiable idiot.

    Did you cut and paste that too?

  272. @Andrei Martyanov

    What are your thoughts on China’s buildup on the South China Sea islands? I believe they have deployed some anti-ship and surface-to-air missiles there.

    I also know about the narrow Strait of Malacca as a potential choking point. What would happen if it were blockaded and what could be done to make such blockade extremely difficult?

    To be fair, East Asia is quite disadvantaged geographically in terms of access to resources, which must pass through the Indian Ocean as well as that very narrow strait. China does have some oil and gas but not a whole lot. What are your thoughts on Russia’s geographic position? What are the advantages and disadvantages? Of course, Russia is privileged to possess abundant natural resources, oil and gas especially, so there is more fallback. What Russia much lacks is people, which China is already quite saturated on, but that, unlikely natural resources, can be changed over time. Imagine a Russia with, say, 600 million people.

    I don’t exactly think the Chinese economy would be finished even under that hypothetical situation. There is still oil from Indonesia and Malaysia that China, as far as I can tell, can more or less guarantee access to (maybe I’m wrong on this one) not to mention the resources in China. Of course, one can argue that the Chinese economy has such a high energy demand that it cannot sustain itself without Middle Eastern oil.

    Finally, what are your thoughts on Taiwan? How important is it for China geopolitically, and when/how do you expect China to militarily take it over?

    • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov
  273. @Andrei Martyanov

    So I read on the Chinese internet that in the 2020s, it is expected that there will be deployed an anti-satellite system that can take down US GPS and spy satellites if necessary. I’m sure that Russia will too, and maybe she already has.

    I recall you wrote in your book that US is actually behind both Russia and China in development of anti-shipping missiles. I would expect that US probably is too in terms of anti-satellite weapons.

    In your book, one of the main points is that US is wasting its economy on horrifically expensive weapons like aircraft carriers and stealth fighters which now can be destroyed without much difficulty by a near peer competitor. Sure, America will gradually exhaust her resources doing so. I can’t really see America actually dying out though, but we may well see America gradually sidelined on the world stage. Tiny Israel could actually get destroyed though. I wonder what are your thoughts on Israel’s nukes, do you think the Zionists may actually use them if seriously threatened with economic death and/or military conquest?

    By the way, can I make a list of quotes from your book on my site?

  274. denk says:

    thirty years ago, jp was the ‘threat’.

    The book ‘jp as no 1’ sent a shock wave thru the 5lies, pax murikka was going to be usurped by those slit eye orientals..

    Time to take jp down a few notches.
    Toshiba, jp’s top chip fabricating outfit, was targeted for the take down.
    Its crime,…..violating US embargo of high tech to USSR.

    The punishment was designed to kill.
    fOR this, two Toshiba officials were slapped with a 10 years jail term.
    Toshiba’s factory in US was ordered to shut down.
    Toshiba exports to US subject to 100% tariff.
    Toshiba was not allowed to export to 14 countries.
    Toshiba was fined an astronomical sum.
    Toshiba CEO forced to resign.
    Last but not least, Toshiba was required to share its state of art chip technology unconditionally with USA.

    Toshiba never recovered from that blow.
    So was jp.

    Today’s talk is China as no 1.
    Huawei is the crown jewel of China’s emerging high tech industry .

    CISCO sez
    Huawei is our no 1 threat.
    Trump sez,
    China is our no 1 threat.

    Its the jp/Toshiba saga all over again.

    Forget about all these B.S. of potential security risk.

    Its still the George Kennan doctrine at work….
    We brook no peer competitor

  275. @gmachine1729

    Also, what do you think of Israel’s military? It’s often presented as so advanced and formidable in the English media.

    • Replies: @Mike P
  276. @Andrei Martyanov

    Andrie

    Holdsworth inspired electric guitar music:Tim Miller…CD:Electric… Start with the tune “Electric”….but listen to the album…it is an exceptional album….you won’t be disappointed…Tim Miller is a Berkeley Music School Instructor….

    Two days ago…the 40th anniversary of the release of ELO’s “Out of the Blue”…stuck in rush hour traffic in Water Mill…..Jimmy Fink…DJ on the Peak(Mel Gibson’s radioactve Hometown on the Adirondack Trail) played whole CD…..no commercials……

    • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov
  277. Mike P says:
    @gmachine1729

    Also, what do you think of Israel’s military? It’s often presented as so advanced and formidable in the English media.

    Very fearsome. Their chief of staff’s last name is “Eisenkot” – which translates (from German) as “iron poop.” There is a true soldier for you – even his poop is weaponized.

    • LOL: Andrei Martyanov
  278. MarkinLA says:
    @MEFOBILLS

    The technology is developed by the scientists and engineers in R&D and implemented by engineers who specialize in production. However, the big decisions are usually made by people with degrees in finance. It is they who decide to hollow out the company for quick profits.

    Stupid ideas of all kinds take root in the upper echelons of business. Remember Jack Welch at GE? He bought into the stupid ideas of Milton Friedman that a corporation only has a duty to its shareholders such that maximizing shareholder value is the only thing that mattered. He has since realized that was a mistake.

    However, in his heyday as the greatest CEO in the history of the world he also laid the foundation for what should have been GEs bankruptcy in 2008. He believed that if you are not one of the top two in an industry that you should sell it to maximize shareholder value. This took GE out of a lot of industries where they were hugely profitable. It also made GE Capital about 40% of the company. People forget that the Fed had to include companies like GE Capital when it was trying to save the financial industry. Westinghouse got no such favors during the 90s bank bust when they used their excess money to venture into finance and mortgage financing.

  279. @gmachine1729

    So I read on the Chinese internet that in the 2020s, it is expected that there will be deployed an anti-satellite system that can take down US GPS and spy satellites if necessary. I’m sure that Russia will too, and maybe she already has.

    Anti-satellite weapons are a reality, both China and Russia have developed AS weapons programs. Any satellite navigation system in case of real war will be disabled fully or partially thus rendering it only marginally useful, if at all. I posted here some pieces of the Office of National Intelligence’s assessment of these programs–the capability is already in place in Russia and China.

    I recall you wrote in your book that US is actually behind both Russia and China in development of anti-shipping missiles. I would expect that US probably is too in terms of anti-satellite weapons.

    United States has nothing in terms of ASMs what Russia has–simply different leagues. The US operates sub-sonic, “stealthy” ASMs, such as LRASM or Norwegian Krongberg–against modern air defense systems the only chance such missiles have is a large salvo. Venerable Harpoon is simply morally obsolete.

    I can’t really see America actually dying out though,

    That’s not the point of my writing and never was, America’s cutting to real size of her REAL economy and real military capability (much inflated by propaganda) is ongoing as I type this. With it, comes inevitable departure, which is also ongoing, from the self-proclaimed status of super-pooper-power. Great power? Absolutely, but some kind of omnipotent hegemon? Not really. US either learns to live with other great powers or it will inevitably be pushed back to purely American continent vastly superior but regional power status.

    By the way, can I make a list of quotes from your book on my site?

    Of course.

  280. @gmachine1729

    What are your thoughts on China’s buildup on the South China Sea islands? I believe they have deployed some anti-ship and surface-to-air missiles there.

    China did, including IIRC deploying there P-800 Oniks. But that is why the US needs the death of INF Treaty to have Intermediate range missiles deployed against those bases too. It is really difficult to predict now where it all will go between China and US but the US knows that it is either all or nothing. US needs to “stop” Chinese expansion. I think at this stage it is an enormously difficult task for the US because the actual military powers of China and US are heading in different directions, with China at least in some key aspects ascending.

    • Replies: @gmachine1729
  281. @War for Blair Mountain

    Holdsworth inspired electric guitar music:

    I have his earliest Tempest albums. He and Jimmy Hendrix knew each-other very well, I wonder what poor Jimmy felt with Alan playing next to him;-) I will check out the guy you suggest.

    Two days ago…the 40th anniversary of the release of ELO’s “Out of the Blue”…stuck in rush hour traffic in Water Mill…..Jimmy Fink…DJ on the Peak(Mel Gibson’s radioactve Hometown on the Adirondack Trail) played whole CD…..no commercials……

    One of my favorites. Just couple of weeks ago re-watched (nth time) Jeff and his ELO doing Hyde Park massive concert in 2015–what a delight!!! But my ELO’s most favorite will forever be Time.

  282. @Andrei Martyanov

    …What was Jimmy Hendricks thinking about back then?….”OH SHIT!!!!….I JUST STOLE THE FEEDBACK SHIT FROM LARRY CORYELL….NOW I GOTTA STEAL FROM HOLDSWORTH!!!”……

    On “OUT OF THE BLUE”….on some of the tunes…you can hear proto-Traveling Wilburys….

    If you haven’t heard of Shawn Lane….well now you have….so youtube Shawn Lane….I would start with Shawn Lanes’ performance in San Diego and in Kalkota India….headphones on….125 decibels….

    • Replies: @Biff
  283. Erebus says:
    @MEFOBILLS

    Agree with you statement…

    Not sure what you agree with, as you seem to have misunderstood this and ignored/misunderstood the points made in #209.

    In any case, as you make the same points over and over again without consideration for counterarguments, one wonders if you have any experience with technology, IP, patents or patent law.

    Godfree’s comment about pricking my balloon says more about him than me.

    … and that comment says more about you than it does about him.

    … they DID recycle dollars back to the U.S. to then help keep interest rates low (in U.S.) to then keep the theft of industry cycle going.

    IOW, they paid for it fair and square.
    More to the point, that was the deal, and so long as it benefited American elites they were delighted to pocket the profits. 20 years later, they realized they were outsmarted so they’re barking about it. “We won, you lost. Get over it.” Too late.

    BTW, tamo @276 offers a lesson on technology transfer/dissemination you would do well to absorb.

  284. Biff says:
    @War for Blair Mountain

    Shawn Lane = noodle soup
    Alan Holdsworth = noodle soup
    Jimi Hendrix = actual music – in real time

  285. Anon[378] • Disclaimer says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    If you want a quotable source, http://cardozolawreview.com/prosecuting-chinese-spies-an-empirical-analysis-of-the-economic-espionage-act/

    Mine got update and analysis. The lawyers generally are very bad on quant analysis. Mostly they look at absolute numbers and that biased against large economy, USA included. Many hand waving about China, the above link seems to be the only one that categorized the benefit countries with results similar to my data, there were more Americans against American companies than Chinese against American companies. Dont tell me those Americans will be Snow Whites when operating in foreign countries. But as I said with respect to size of economy USA and China were not outstanding.

    A more interesting metric is how much “value” they got out of economic espionage wrt the amount of their R&D expenditure. The result might be more illuminating, bringing India ahead of China.

    Case Closed and Guilty on Economic Espionage
    Rank NcasePerTrillionR&D Ncase Country
    1 2614.47 1 Vietnam
    2 749.25 1 Iran
    3 464.52 1 S. Africa
    4 161.61 3 India
    5 156.35 36 China
    6 143.57 73 U.S
    7 76.57 1 Israel
    8 66.08 4 S. Korea
    9 65.49 1 Russia
    10 41.89 1 Italy
    11 40.60 1 Canada
    12 36.03 1 Australia
    13 5.66 1 Japan

    Note previous number I gave was acutally number of cases including those dropped. Thus inflating the Chinese number.

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  286. Hopefully, China has a 5-year jobs-substitution plan to keep their billion-plus consumer market afloat when even more jobs are wiped out by greater internet connectivity. Even with the one-child policy in place for decades, Chinese mommas pumped out a lot of babies who grew up and need jobs.

    Do the Chinese pay the mommas per birth, like the US government pays many citizens, legal immigrants and illegal aliens to have sex and reproduce in single-breadwinner households, as long as they stay below the earned-income limits for welfare and child tax credits? They are paid to pump out future workers to compete for automated jobs via monthly welfare and the progressive tax code.

    As for the non-economic implications of linking electronic devices together to anticipate and monitor every move humans make, we know that the Chinese lack a 4th Amendment to constrain them from violating any shred of remaining human dignity and agency with an even speedier surveillance-state capacity. But then, a 4th Amendment, whittled away by economic elites testing how much privacy invasion the serfs will tolerate—like the one in the USA—is not much good, anyway. Now is it?

    It is becoming more apparent all the time that a small band of humans were responsible for pushing through the freedoms enjoyed for generations in the West. The fragility of these freedoms is being revealed by means that those 18th century freedom forgers could not have anticipated.

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  287. @Andrei Martyanov

    I’m suddenly reminded of https://dubfuture.blogspot.com/2011/12/china-will-overtake-us-in.html, by a Stanford computer science professor, which expressed a rather low opinion of China in computer science back in December 2011.

    He had a rather low opinion of the whole system in China, including the firewall and the education system. He thinks Chinese basically need to get a Western education to learn to be more creative and to question authority.

    One of his comments on his own blog post.

    1) I changed “web browser” to “graphical web browser” as that is what led to the explosion of the web (and was invented in the US — but in general I’m referring to Western innovation).

    2) I think that even if things are copied it doesn’t mean China doesn’t need to innovate. Look at the iPhone/iPad. They’ve tried to copy and it doesn’t give China much at all. Certain things are easier to copy than others. First movers often get large pieces of markets and will get world markets. Yes, China’s market is huge and companies will get big there but will they become truly international corporations? It seems to be happening in hardware (Huawei), but software/internet seems different.

    3) The Great Fire Wall (GFW) is a real problem for innovation. You cannot access most western blogs without a VPN. It is a hassle for many to have a VPN in China and the government has been actively blocking them. Blogs are very useful for finding technical information. This is just one example of how the GFW hinders technical innovation for universities and small companies (larger international firms get around this).

    4) It is unclear to me what areas Chinese computing should focus on (I personally think they should have a broad-based effort but also focus on important global/Chinese problems: education, the environment, and health). China clearly has a large security-oriented focus, but that is more of a military/defense issue. I think Chinese computing researchers/engineers need to focus on end-user work if they are going to have global products.

    I feel that guy was kind of arrogant and full of shit. He’s kind of in a bullshit field, human computer interaction, and software is to be fair a pretty low barrier to entry field. It’s not real technology. More Chinese seem to be aware of that than Americans.

    I once said to this near middle aged guy I’m quite familiar with with some top credentials (born in US, parents from Taiwan from a KMT background) that China learned a lot from the Soviet Union, and he gave me a weird reaction. A former Harvard PhD student from China and I both came to the conclusion that in terms of modernization, China really didn’t get that much from America if you examine closely. Most of it was from Soviet Union/Russia. Of course, if you say this in America, expect to be ostracized.

    • Replies: @last straw
  288. pogohere says: • Website
    @Miggle

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    Dr. Martin Pall To The NIH: “The 5G Rollout Is Absolutely Insane.”
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    EU 5G APPEAL – SCIENTISTS WARN OF POTENTIAL SERIOUS HEALTH EFFECTS OF 5G
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    12 Appl Microbiol Biotechnol. 2016 Jun;100(11):4761-71.
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    14 Environmental Health Trust July 9, 2016
    16 International Journal of Scientific Research in Environmental Sciences, 1(9), pp. 217-223, 2013
    19 GUARDS, Open Letter to Medical Organizations

    https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2018/04/03/5th-generation-wireless-network.aspx

    Gestapo In The USA: FCC intimidates press and kills free speech at 5G rollout (video)

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  289. @Che Guava

    Are you also aware ofthe perils of dihydrogen monoxide? Many many sailors have perished!!!11!

  290. @gmachine1729

    That blog post was an embarrassment to himself, because next year China’s PISA scores would be released, which would undermine everything he said about China’s education, and China would soon burst into the field of supercomputers, for which China would dominate ever since.

    • Replies: @gmachine1729
  291. @Anon

    Many, many thanks for going to such trouble. A valuable database!

  292. @Endgame Napoleon

    “we know that the Chinese lack a 4th Amendment to constrain them from violating any shred of remaining human dignity and agency with an even speedier surveillance-state capacity. ”

    Nonsense. China’s Constitution gives its people rights we can only dream of. Read it here:http://www.npc.gov.cn/englishnpc/Constitution/node_2825.htm

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
  293. Anonymous[249] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jamie_NYC

    Thanks to Godfrey Robers for bringing this big issue to a longer audience, even though the piece is indeed 95% based on Chinese press releases. Still, that’s not really unusual in the media world.

    You can always tell that the first draft was written by Chinese. Most Chinese feel certain they innately know all the details of their own Romanization system and don’t need to check. Inevitable result: they trip up over details. Most common problem is the difference between Shanxi and Shaanxi (two different provinces).

    It’s Xiong’an, not Xiongan. The apostrophe is considered significant in this case to indicate where the syllables separate. Wikipedia is good on spectrum issues like this.

  294. Paul C. says:
    @pogohere

    Great post. People have no idea how dangerous 5G is. I challenge the author to research it and write another article imploring that it’s stopped.

  295. @last straw

    When he wrote that blog post, there was already a little hype about China having the then fastest supercomputer in the world. But he didn’t think much of that. You can see that from that blog post, there was

    [MORE]

    Supercomputing isn’t so Super?
    One of the big accomplishments Chinese computer science has made given these investments over the last 5-10 years has been in Supercomputing: the very large, high speed machines often used for climate modeling, weapons simulation, etc. A couple of years ago China temporarily had the fastest machine in the world with the Tianhe-1A. This coveted spot on the TOP500 supercomputer list has traditionally been held by either US or Japanese supercomputers, though it changes all the time as new faster computers come into service.

    Although getting to the top of the list was a major accomplishment for China, the news of China’s conquest of supercomputing really didn’t seem to be big news for almost anyone I know in leading computer science departments. Why is that? I think most leading computer scientists believe that although supercomputers are useful for certain problems, this is a technology of the past that will simply improve incrementally with underlying processor improvements (in fact, most supercomputers today use conventional processors used in desktop computers rather than the special purpose processors used in the past).

    The big innovations in supercomputing have been in the programming models, network interconnects, and most recently in cooling/power usage. But, people seem to see much more important innovation going on in the cloud computing clusters that literally combine thousands of commercial processors together in standard racks connected with traditional networks in huge data centers around the world. This is the technology that powers Google, Microsoft, Apple, Amazon, and the many other web computing giants of the world and is then resold inexpensively to every little web site or mobile phone application that needs to do computing in the cloud. This type of architecture supports a far wider range of applications than supercomputing. Cloud computing is a hot topic in both industrial and academic computer science research and American computer scientists are clearly far in the lead in this area of work.

    • Replies: @last straw
  296. @Andrei Martyanov

    Trump had nothing to do with Hart Celler. He’s just the one reaping its foul harvest.

    the “Internet of Things”(IoT)

    Ah yes, the totalitarian wet dream. Just wait until you discover the joys of being unable to leave your squalid apartment because ‘the “Internet of Things”(IoT)’ has determined your “social credit score” is too damn low.

    • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov
  297. @Oleaginous Outrager

    Trump had nothing to do with Hart Celler. He’s just the one reaping its foul harvest.

    I have no a faintest idea who Hart Celler is and what Internet of Things has anything to do with me. Are you sure you addressed your post properly?

  298. @gmachine1729

    I have a feeling that he was just trying to move the goalposts on some points. On the other hand, China has a head start on AI and quantum computing. But they were not mentioned (maybe it was too early for these sort of things in 2011). Anyway, China’s development is so fast, 7 years seem to be a long time.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
  299. MarkinLA says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    Nonsense. China’s Constitution gives its people rights we can only dream of. Read it here:http://www.npc.gov.cn/englishnpc/Constitution/node_2825.htm

    I can’t believe that somebody writing articles or even commenting on Unz can write something to profoundly stupid. Yeah, the USSR also had similar “rights” in its Constitution. Hell we even HAVE a 4th amendment and it hasn’t stopped the government from spying on us illegally or using that information in criminal cases if it can hide where it originally got the information.

    Do you really think the Chinese government cares one whit about its Constitution?

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  300. MarkinLA says:
    @last straw

    How could China have a head start on AI? I took classes in AI in the middle 80s when processors were so slow they couldn’t do much. Neural networks came out of what was called perceptrons in the 60s.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perceptron

  301. @MarkinLA

    Do I really think the Chinese government cares one whit about its Constitution?

    Whenever I visit China and the US I observe the gap between their constitutional ideals, the results of their governance and their official media narratives.

    The gap between reality and ideal is much wider in the US than in China.

    Ask anyone who has read their constitutions and visits regularly.

    And that’s just comparing their compliance with the UN Declaration’s 30 articles, to which both are signatories.

    Going beyond that, the Chinese have rights we don’t, like the right to food and shelter (they introduced this idea to the UN which voted in favor, despite America’s violent objections).

    The result? Sometime between 2020-2025 every Chinese will have a home, a job, plenty of food, education, safe streets, health and old age care.  On that day there will be more drug addicts, suicides and executions, more homeless, poor, hungry and imprisoned people in America than in China.

    By 2021, 450,000,000 urban Chinese will have more net worth and disposable income than the average American, their mothers and infants will be less likely to die in childbirth, their children will graduate from high school three years ahead of–and outlive–American kids.

  302. TOM says:

    Doesn’t matter the number of people that will get CANCER from this will be in the millions. The CIA has done all sorts of evil tests showing how horrible this is. Go to your local airport and ask the TSA how many have CANCER STANDING NEXT to the machine..ALL OF THEM

  303. Miro23 says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    All those lame-ass concepts such as Supply Side, FIRE economy, all these bizarre, detached from reality concepts …

    What was surprising at the time (mid 1980’s) was how taken for granted and mainstream these service economy/ outsourcing/deindustrialization ideas were in the university economics environment. It’s taken 30 years to prove how bizarre and detached from reality they really were.

    And that’s not to say, that the same thing isn’t happening now in the same universities, but this time round, with regard to (taken for granted and mainstream) PC ideas of open borders, vibrant multiculturalism and white is bad.

    The problem with these intellectual fashions, is that they’re not a joke – they’re permanently destructive. The industries won’t come back, and in a few decades the West’s racial strife will come define its societies.

    • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov
  304. @Miro23

    What was surprising at the time (mid 1980’s) was how taken for granted and mainstream these service economy/ outsourcing/deindustrialization ideas were in the university economics environment. It’s taken 30 years to prove how bizarre and detached from reality they really were.

    Yet, within these 30 years two generations completely detached from reality have grown and got “educated”. Practically all, across the board of so called humanities and social studies, US elites are from these generations and 7yes, they literally, granted with some notable exceptions, don’t know shit from shinola because of this “economic” gospel they think is universal and true.

    The problem with these intellectual fashions, is that they’re not a joke – they’re permanently destructive.

    Moreover, while undeniably destructive, they do not even have a remotely applicable logical method behind them.

    • Replies: @gmachine1729
  305. @Andrei Martyanov

    Tovarisch Martyanov,

    I just published in Chinese a blog post on why Chinese should detach more from America. I’m thinking of translating it to English and later finding a Russian to translate it to Russian. I already know a guy in Russia who’s helped me to do that with a prior piece in which I quoted you.

    The link of that prior piece is https://gmachine1729.com/2019/02/07/%E4%B8%BA%E4%BB%80%E4%B9%88%E4%B8%AD%E5%9B%BD%E4%BA%BA%E5%BA%94%E5%BD%93%E5%A4%9A%E8%84%B1%E7%A6%BB%E7%BE%8E%E5%9B%BD/ and its title is “О глобально-единообразном англо-американском мировом порядке и его следствиях (on the global homo Anglo world order, its origin and its implications).”

    And for those of you who read Chinese or are willing to read it translated with some internet service, the link of that blog post of mine is https://gmachine1729.com/2019/02/07/%E4%B8%BA%E4%BB%80%E4%B9%88%E4%B8%AD%E5%9B%BD%E4%BA%BA%E5%BA%94%E5%BD%93%E5%A4%9A%E8%84%B1%E7%A6%BB%E7%BE%8E%E5%9B%BD/.

    I’m looking now for a venue where I can publish that is much more widely read. My blog only receives around 5000 views per month, too few. I bet Martyanov’s receives at least 10 times that. Maybe Martyanov knows some RT people too and he can help me get published on some Russian media channels.

    Anyhow, there’s still a lot of America worship in China much manifested by parents wanting to send their kids there for education and some rich people wanting to move their money there. Many are well-meaning just misguided. Some are truly problematic and those people can’t be helped, better to let them and their offspring just go to America and never come back.

    I think there’s still a substantial American fifth column in China. Many of them work for American companies in China. By the way, Google back in the days picked as a puppet for its China office Kaifu Lee, a guy whose daddy was a “historian” smearing Chinese communists in Taiwan and whose uncle was executed by Chinese communists in 1951. In China, that guy acted as a “role model and teacher” for young people, publishing books on his personal experience in US internet companies and various educational/work philosophies that were full of shit. He had tens of millions of followers on Weibo and it was quite obvious that he had US backing there. Somebody I know complained that the Israeli embassy in Beijing buys followers on its Weibo account too. Back in 2012 though, some PLA guy by the name of Dai Xu pointed out that Kaifu is very likely a CIA agent. He even doubted that Kaifu actually got cancer, which he sought treatment for in Taiwan, saying something like, “How are you posting so many Weibo when sick with cancer getting treatment? More likely you’re using that as an excuse to connect with Taiwan-American intelligence there.”

  306. @Vidi

    And military is the foundation of economics, which is very much a function of political power. 你中国人吧,不知道毛主席枪杆里出政权那句话么?By the way, just about anyone knowledgeable in China will find it obvious that Russia is still number 2, with China not even close. Economic value is fragile/worthless if it cannot be secured/protected with military, which can be used to destroy/extort.

    Economic productivity helps but it goes nowhere close to military in terms of political power/leverage, which is what determines who controls the production/wealth/resources. It is fundamentally military that instigates regime change. Whoever controls the military controls just about everything.

    China can export a ton of goods to countries all over the world, but that doesn’t mean those countries will listen to China. Instead, they mostly try to derive as much economic benefit as they can from the trade, and America is still their boss. There is not much China can do about that currently since China is still not self-sufficient in some critical areas (such as microelectronics, airplanes, and especially the military technology to secure resources/trade). On the other hand, Russia is pretty much self-sufficient, able to independently develop and produce virtually all the critical cutting edge technologies, not to mention her vast natural resources, and operate a world class military globally. With that alone, as for the lack of domestic light industry economy, Russia can easily buy from other places.

    In a decade’s time we expect China to overcome the bottlenecks of microelectronics and airplanes. As Martyanov mentioned, China is developing its CR919 and also CR929 jointly with Russia. Moreover, China’s military will be much better developed though surely, the jet engine/nuclear submarine is extremely difficult to master, not to mention the lack of blue water military experience/base that will take time to develop, with much obstacle since there is also much American military presence across Asia Pacific that will have to be forced out. South Korea is connected China by land so will be much easier than the island countries, in which case Chinese blue water navy still has long way to go. I shall mention that the PLA started solely land based. On land, especially in mountainous terrain, quality and quantity of soldiers can compensate for worse technology. China did that during Korean War which secured vital buffer on Korean Peninsula. But navy and air force, one actually needs some serious technology. Because China lacked that, China could not really even think about taking over Taiwan.

    This article is about Huawei. Ask yourself why Huawei is getting blocked out in so many places. Because much of the world is still under the American sphere of influence politically, which severely limits China’s economic scope. In any strategic economic sector, China will ultimately be shut out. China can only change that by taking over those regimes, which requires fundamentally military power.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
    , @Miro23
  307. peterAUS says:
    @peterAUS

    This is interesting.

    A person spent quite some time devising an alternative financial system. Quite prolific online about it.
    A simple question, as:

    You mean those 80 % unemployed will “require direct injections”. Looks like it. Which brings us to the crux of the problem.
    WHO decides who will “require direct injection”?
    And, is it possible that the “direct injection” can be scaled down, even declined? You know, the (perceived) “undesirables’. Like, in this paradigm, “Nazis” and “racists”, for example? Or ex-convicts for heavy crimes? If so, again, WHO decides that?
    Some, ahm, “committee” or government body? And…if so, who makes/creates those bodies? By which criteria?
    I trust you’ve thought about that and have a ready answer.

    and for a more of a week no answer.

    Three options:
    1. The person knows the answer but simply doesn’t want to communicate with the guy (me) who asked the question; I am on his ignore list.Hopefully that’s the reason.
    Or……
    2. The person simply hasn’t thought that out. O.K. that would be crazy, so, most likely, not the reason.
    3. The most likely reason is…the people who would dole out that “direct injection” would be some government officials. People reading/posting here wouldn’t be in favor of that..ahm…”solution”, so better simply ignore it and move on.
    Till next time.

    • Replies: @Anon
  308. Seraphim says:
    @gmachine1729

    @lack of domestic light industry economy, Russia can easily buy from other places.

    Wouldn’t be China the obvious place? I personally know Australian-Russians (born in China) working temporarily in France who, upon their return to Oz, sighed in relief: ‘oh, there you can’t find too much Chinese food’. And the lady is a French language teacher and the hubby a French Swiss! But they do love ‘kitaiski pelmeni’. And there are plenty in Oz.
    As far as I am aware, Russians never looked down at the Chinese. They never thought that their brains are so shaped that they can’t permit them to man a jet, or drive a car as the ‘Westies’ think (I swear that I heard that unbelievable crap excreted by not only one ‘Westie’), or that they wouldn’t be able to play European music (uttered on this very site!).
    What about ‘Kitay Gorod’ in the very center of Moscow? Russian-Chinese relations have always been amicable, if not friendly. There have been no wars between Russia and China, except border skirmishes, quickly solved. The Nizhneleninskoye – Tongjiang bridge will be soon in operation.
    What to say when a battalion of lovely Chinese girls parade singing Katyusha (in Chinese)?

    • Replies: @gmachine1729
  309. Miro23 says:
    @gmachine1729

    In a decade’s time we expect China to overcome the bottlenecks of microelectronics and airplanes. As Martyanov mentioned, China is developing its CR919 and also CR929 jointly with Russia. Moreover, China’s military will be much better developed…

    And the Americans know this – same as Hitler knew that he had a short window of opportunity to destroy Russia prior to it getting its industrial production fully into gear.

    These are very dangerous times. America is a declining but still aggressive power.

    • Replies: @Anon
  310. @Seraphim

    Хаха вы должны быть русскими. Тогда, у вас аккаунт вКонтакте? Мой вКонтакте -https://vk.com/id527440648. Может быть что мы можем говорить на вКонтакте.

    И теперь, потому я знаю очень мало русский я буду писать по английски.

    Yeah I’m sure light industry wise, China exports a ton to Russia.

    Yeah, that Chinese are bad drivers stereotype in the West (America as far as I know) is kind of weird. Driving in China requires much more skill than in America than in many places. Many Chinese men in big cities are masters at parking in tight spaces. The stuff many of them pull on regular basis driving would be hard to imagine in America. In Xinjiang, our driver was really good at navigating the mountain roads, and has to do so in the winter in the snow 30-40 degrees below zero. Also, there was there this mechanism with a license plate detector one place and another place, where they’d calculate the time it took and it was too short, you must have sped. So guess what, he would drive off to the dirt/mud on the side around one of the detectors so to speed with impunity later in the road with very few cars.

    Some say that there is essentially a CIA headed campaign in the Anglo world to emasculate Chinese men. Just look at all the negative East Asian male stereotypes in the Anglo world in the media and Hollywood and encouragement of East Asian women relationships with white men.

    I collected/translated many Reddit quotes of a middle aged guy now a successful lawyer in China who was emphatic on that, links below.
    https://gmachine1729.com/translations/chinasuperpower%E5%9C%A8reddit%E8%AF%84%E8%AE%BA%E7%A7%AF%E7%B4%AF/
    https://gmachine1729.com/translations/%E4%BB%80%E4%B9%88%E6%98%AF%E7%99%BD%E4%BA%BA%E7%94%B7%E4%BA%9A%E8%A3%94%E5%A5%B3%E7%9A%84%E7%9C%9F%E6%AD%A3%E6%9C%AC%E6%80%A7%EF%BC%88reddit%E6%96%87%E7%AB%A0%EF%BC%89/
    https://gmachine1729.com/quotes/chinasuperpower-reddit/
    https://gmachine1729.com/quotes/anti-semitic-quotes/chinasuperpower%E5%9C%A8reddit%E5%85%B3%E4%BA%8E%E7%8A%B9%E5%A4%AA%E4%BA%BA%E7%9A%84%E8%AF%84%E8%AE%BA/

    As for Russian-Chinese relations historically, I’ll briefly describe what I know. Contact began when the Mongols conquered Russia. The Mongols were nomads based in present day Mongolia/Siberia. They were basically kind of barbaric, without civilization/writing, but they managed to conquer North China and after that Russia/Eastern Europe along with the Tatars, and finally with many northern Chinese in their army, they conquered all of China in 1279. Though a different ethnic group, Mongols are more or less physically indistinguishable from Han Chinese. A TV series I’m watching has an actress who I only learned is a Mongol after looking her up online. So it’s reasonable to consider this the first Russia-China contact. I think it’s very unlikely though that there were actually Han Chinese in the Mongol army that conquered Russia and Eastern Europe. Interestingly, I did read about a Han Chinese general taking part in the Mongol conquest of Baghdad who afterwards actually returned to China. That guy on Reddit even suggested that Eastern Europeans and Chinese might have more chemistry because Eastern European have some East Asian blood from the father’s line.

    As for wars between the two, it’s rather well known in China that Tsarist Russia took Outer Manchuria where Vladivostok and Khabarovsk from the Manchu Qing dynasty.
    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%90%D0%B9%D0%B3%D1%83%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D0%B4%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BE%D1%80

    There is also that the Soviet Union played a part in the independence of Mongolia. There is evidence that Chiang Kai-shek fully renounced China’s claim to Mongolia in exchange for a Soviet pledge not to support Chinese communists right after WWII.

    There are some Russian haters in China who are bitter about that. My experience has told me that among Chinese, the right wing liberal ones who are духовные американцы much dislike and have a low opinion of Russia. They are the types to go on about how Russia’s economy is shit, has no light industry, only exports energy, blah blah blah. The left wing patriotic pro-communist Chinese pretty much all have a high opinion of Russia.

    China got a lot from Soviet Union, its modern industrial foundation in the 50s, not to mention that the new political system was much inspired by Russia and adapted to Chinese conditions. Of course, there was the split around 1960 with Chinese communists attacking Soviet revisionism, which led to the (quickly solved) border skirmish in 1969. The situation along the border was tense up through the 80s from what I know. I know that Gorbachev visited China during the height of Tiananmen Square protests in 89 hoping to thaw relations with China, and in the 90s, China and Russia began to re-establish close ties, which China buying much advanced military technology from Russia. Now, the two seem to be in de facto alliance almost as close as in the 50s. I remember CCTV video of event with the two armies singing Katyusha in both Russian and Chinese: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yt9mp0dtKHk.

    I actually published a piece on my site in Chinese on why Chinese should further detach from America: https://gmachine1729.com/2019/02/07/%E4%B8%BA%E4%BB%80%E4%B9%88%E4%B8%AD%E5%9B%BD%E4%BA%BA%E5%BA%94%E5%BD%93%E5%A4%9A%E8%84%B1%E7%A6%BB%E7%BE%8E%E5%9B%BD/. I will if I have time translate it to English, and then maybe find a Russian to translate it to Russian. In it, I explicitly wrote that even when Sino-Russian relations were bad, the mutual feeling wasn’t anywhere near what it was like between US and China. After China entered the Korean War, the attitude in China towards America was basically one of deep hatred, and in the other direction, it was obvious that the attitude of America towards China was one of the most malicious intent. It was, in contrast to the minor military confrontations between China and Russia (aside from the Mongol one which was too long ago and not really thought of much), a deeply bloody war, raging with hate that ended in stalemate, still unresolved, which dealt quite a blow to American/Anglo ego and position on the world stage.

    American media tries to make the ridiculous pretense that China’s modernization/economic development much came through America when the most formative years of that was through the Soviet Union, when direct contact between China and America was restricted to the war front and international negotiation tables. Even after normalization of relations, what China has up to this day actually gotten from America is very questionable. Many factories exporting rather cheap low-end goods to America and access to the Chinese market in exchange for some not all that advanced or difficult technology. A CIA sponsored regime change attempt in 89. More Chinese liberals and brain drain to America. Many Chinese deluded into believing that they should integrate more into the American system/culture because America is number one instead of doing their own thing and further developing domestic technologies and institutions. A whole process of a frog in boiling water that was also imparted on me, not by my own choice, which I, thank God, managed to escape from.

    There is quite a lack of chemistry between Chinese and Anglos, generally speaking, and it seems also between Anglos and Slavics despite, in the latter case, much less distance in culture and physical appearance. Reminds me of how the Native Americans went across to the Bering Strait (the one between Siberia and Alaska) to the Americas during the Ice Age. They also bear some physical similarity with East Asians and the Anglo settlers killed them off and rendered them virtually invisible in their native land. (The Spanish were better in that they actually intermixed with them instead of near totally killing them off.) The Anglos tried to ethnically cleanse Chinese too when they began migration to America in the middle of the 19th century. The men were basically coolies who were not allowed to bring their wives, let alone marry white women, who contributed much to the building of the American railroad, and by this, Chinese in America seldom last beyond two generations. Now, most ethnic Chinese females raised in America want to marry white men. So the Anglos, and as a derivative the Zionists, basically want to ethnically cleanse the Chinese race. Similarly, the Anglo-Zionists, even when Russia was already in poverty and losing population in the 90s, were doing all they could to wreck it even further, hoping to prevent the Slavics from ever re-rising again. Now, they are sowing division between Russians and Ukrainians. They also committed genocide against Serbs in the 90s.

    So China and Russia, who represent respectively East Asians and Slavics, are natural allies, the two giants of Eurasia. In the 90s after the Cold War, Japanese-American Fukuyama came up with his end of history where the entire world adopts American liberal democracy. Russia had that in the 90s, and the US political analysts expected the same eventually in China too. Contrary to that prediction, the two are now thriving under the “dictatorships” of Putin and Xi respectively and instead it is liberal democracy that is ever more proving to be the failed culture and system. A much more likely end of history is one where China and Russia control Asia and Europe under their current political culture/system. Our respective cultures and nations are not only massive, but unusually cohesive and resilient. Cultural cohesion wise, I’m not entirely qualified to judge on Russia, but I can pretty confidently say that China assimilates all its ethnic minorities into the Chinese language and culture. The Chinese civilization originated in the area around present day Henan and over time managed to spread over the vast piece of land that is present day China while maintaining cultural unity. Later, the Mongols and Manchus who conquered and ruled China adopted and assimilated into Chinese culture, gradually shedding their own. Division of China has always been mostly military, never really cultural, and thus the inevitable re-unity. As far as resilience, under division, crisis, or confusion, the two cultures/peoples both seem to re-unify and re-emerge aware and determined. Russia after crisis produced the miracles of Lenin, Stalin, and the USSR, and more recently a Putin. China after a century of stagnation and humiliation produced Mao, the Chinese communist culture, and the PRC. And now, after three decades under a partial American blindfold, China has brought into power a Xi Jinping who is leading the nation to a higher level of rejuvenation and inevitably along a purge of toxic American elements built up over the past generation.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
    , @anon
    , @anon
  311. Anon[309] • Disclaimer says:
    @MEFOBILLS

    I can guarantee that Huawei did not invent their chip technology.

    Evidence pls. Otherwise admit you are just slandering or lying.

    You have make yourself a stupid unworthy commenter by making such empty guarantee.

    If its a stolen technology from some mighty West co., then why west is still unable to come up with similar technology?

    5Lies are crowing: HW has stolen our technology we yet to invent…but Prism gate had exposed CIA hacked & stolen everything in HW including IP & emails.

    HW also allowed West to access its 5G source codes to address any security concern, even offering $2B to co-enhance its security with UK. Yet West still can’t figure out how to design a equivalent 5G chip with all available specs & information. Why?

    Its simply beyond West capability & resources consider these West telcos miserable investment vs Huawei $B. EU has just granted Ericsson Nokia $100M to demand them buck up. What a peanut investment for a $T mkt. Nokia Ericsson actually employed more workers in China than in EU HQ for mega projects.

    And you wantonly judged that 5G has few economic benefits. Are You so much smarter than entire world ignorant govs & telcos competing to roll out 5G investing many $B for no returns? So what’s your credential to entitle you making all these empty guarantees & judgements, questioning Godfree qualification & criticizing his carefully research article?

    You, albino PeterAss, senile Wizard Oz and the likes, are simply idiotic China hater contaminating UNZ. Instead of appreciating Godfrey effort to enlighten us about China, you fools are slandering & spreading fake info in every turns.

    West Robber is crying robbery…denk is darn right.

  312. Anon[400] • Disclaimer says:
    @War for Blair Mountain

    Amazingly China did all this by not importing its tech workforce from India….

    Precisely the reason China could leapfrog US, for not allowing India fake certificates crooks to screwed up its technology companies.

    Haven’t you read about how indian programmers messed up almost every projects globally? A long list of West high tech corporates been screwed & closed down after letting Indians head it (DB Cooper compiled some).

    Havent you notice since Google got a Indian CEO, its search engine is getting worst, heavily censored(try duckduckgo to compare) giving mostly rubbish, even start throwing up unrelated India links everywhere to promote india. Youtube is showing Indians Dr if you search for surgery…its indianized.

    Some techie here might able to share some nightmarish experience. Itsnot coincident that no Indian company produces any high tech products(see what’s India export?), in midst of West propaganda to inflate India might.

    • Replies: @gmachine1729
  313. Anon[400] • Disclaimer says:
    @peterAUS

    I will tell you how, droning troll & China hater.

    Read what China is preparing their people for AI & automation recently: an experiment of 3 off days in one city to boost consumption economy, & better leisure quality life. How?

    China socialism system will allow gov to control all bonus derive from ai automation revolution to be distributed according to optimize plan for national interest including improving its people holistic life quality.

    Years ago, China already anticipated 80% jobs esp labourer one to be replace fairly quickly, with 80% retails become obsolete by online sales (Jack Mah of Alibaba commented few yrs ago). Now they are experimenting ways to tackle it.

    But the West & its misguided allies running on flawed West capitalism model will have 1% robbing 99% blind with AI automation. US is stark example we can see how crazy Top1% amassing wealth…with nothing for the bottom 80% make redundant. Civil unrest like Yellow Vest is one result.

    You are asking MEFOBill (who easily gave empty guarantees & unsubstantiated assertion) a qn that beyond his level of comprehension, likely also beyond yours.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  314. TT says:
    @Yee

    US has been always withholding FDI investment to China in its 40yrs containment. The top FDI are always from Asians, namely SG, HK, Twn. US is well below, and it kept tight control of technology selling/transfer to China in ridiculously level, with long arm laws enacted to force other countries into complying.

  315. Anon[400] • Disclaimer says:
    @Vidi

    Vidi, Facetime is an iOS apps in iPhone & iPad for video chat. 4G can support that smoothly.

    5G is for more than video chat. The ultra speed with low latency will enable many things 4G incapable to do. IOT will revolutionize our world.

    Tyrion2 is a joos who can’t accept China achievement, love to boast about how much he know about China during his short stay in China while proud of hooking a ugly Chinese girlfriend. Don’t bother discuss with such idiot.

  316. Anon[400] • Disclaimer says:
    @Miro23

    MAD Nuke will prevent US direct hot war attempt. US is trying its old trick to lure Russia into arm race & multiple conflicts quagmire to bankcrupt it under sanction.

    But Putin is too shrewd to bite the baits, even skillfully turn around the table in Syria, while keeping Ukraine under control. China is Russia economy foundation stone that immunized it despite West crushing sanction & isolation.

    He has even added quite a number of impressive hypersonic weapons for conventional usage in geopolitical tussle.

  317. Anon[400] • Disclaimer says:
    @Vidi

    China & Russia are partnering up to strip US largest hedgmonic power foundation, PetroUSD. Once de-dollarization happen, its another hedgmonic element-military will collapse without a single shot fire.

    Of course China is doing most heavy lifting in economic area utilizing its huge GDP & industrial prowess, which has also save Russia from West crushing sanction.

    But when Russia is sticking its neck out in ME Syria war to protect its own energy sales route from US choking, that has also directly help eliminated China greatest energy supply security threat that it has no military projection power to stop.

    So China & Russia are both doing heavy lifting in each best capacity to slaughter the great Satan with thousand cuts.

    While Andrei remarked China is avoiding direct crash with US, so to benefit from letting Russia & US to squeeze out each other, he had conveniently forgotten to mention:

    Russia has proven itself been most unreliable ally, always ready to throw any ally under bus to get the best deal. From forming G8 ( mimic 8Alliance) & International Space Program to isolate China, to refusing China energy supply pipeline proposal in favour of Jp. But Putin repeatedly stepping on US toes has eventually convinced US that Putin’s Russia is an unreliable ally- hence a big threat to be eliminated. Only under West existential threat did Russia starts cosy up with China to save its skin.

    In Syria war, one can easily see how Putin’s Russia is cutting deals with Turkey & Israel by sacrificing allies Assad & Iran.

  318. peterAUS says:
    @Anon

    I will tell you how, droning troll & China hater.

    Hehe…you one of these
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_Cent_Party
    I presume.
    Welcome.

    How?

    China socialism system will allow gov to control …………

    Don’t say.

    As for

    …beyond his level of comprehension, likely also beyond yours.

    You mean “socialism” and “government control”?
    Funny thing is….you guys aren’t even aware how you sound.
    Keep at it.

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  319. Yelike says:

    This piece was written by Huawei and touched up minimally by Godfree Roberts. I’ve worked on Huawei copy before. Compare this piece with previous GR articles and you can see that the style is completely different. Oh, and the English isn’t ‘flawless’ (as one commenter near the top of the BTLs suggested). Stylistic oversights like repetition (Smart factories will integrate the entire factory production process) are very typical of Chinese, very typical of Huawei, and very typical in terms of things which get past their post-translation native UK/US copy editors. Basically, this is a press release from Huawei.

  320. Anon[400] • Disclaimer says:
    @peterAUS

    With 5Lies Prism & joos controlled West fake news machines steam rolling everywhere, even Potus Trumps got a taste, how irony. Yet the lackey down under try to show its poodle loyalty by barking loudly on anyone speaking truth on China.

    From a drone potato sputtering West propaganda on Russia/NK years ago, now a full time anti China troll. You deserve a bone from your handlers.

  321. Seraphim says:
    @Yelike

    What’s wrong with that? ‘Audiatur et altera pars’ is a must when you want to emit a judgment.

  322. Erebus says:
    @Yelike

    Compare this piece with previous GR articles and you can see that the style is completely different.

    Not, imho, “completely different”, but certainly even more breathlessly effusive than what I’ve read of him previously.

    If Huawei didn’t write it, they would surely wish they had should they read it.

  323. @Anon

    Havent you notice since Google got a Indian CEO, its search engine is getting worst, heavily censored(try duckduckgo to compare) giving mostly rubbish, even start throwing up unrelated India links everywhere to promote india. Youtube is showing Indians Dr if you search for surgery…its indianized.

    I have not. But also I have been using Google search much less lately.

    Some techie here might able to share some nightmarish experience. Itsnot coincident that no Indian company produces any high tech products(see what’s India export?), in midst of West propaganda to inflate India might.

    I’ve seen Indians bosses play blatant ethnic nepotism in the workplace. I’ve worked in an environment where the big team boss was Indian and the Indians tended to get promoted much faster. A white friend of mine who placed top in math contests regards Indians and Jews as the two groups which do most damage to America. He said that at a place where he worked Indian managers got together to protect an Indian fuckup who screwed up the product from getting fired. When I was an undergrad, I took a grad course where we had to partner up with somebody to write some term paper. The person I partnered up with was an IIT grad who if I remember correctly placed near the top on the IIT JEE. To my surprise, I ended up doing almost all the work. I can’t really complain about that alone because I plead guilty to letting my partner do all almost all the work in some other such projects. It was, mostly, his attitude; he acted like he was a boss. A few years later, I met him again, and we chatted. Most memorable was how he said that what he really doesn’t want to be is a manager, mentioning how once when looking through the window towards some manager meeting at work, the managers all appeared quite miserable. But now, after looking him up, he is… an Engineering Manager!

    I know another guy, white, who said that his Indian manager encouraged him to raise suggestions on some company mailing list which ultimately got him into some trouble. I’ve also had an Indian professor who graded me unreasonably harshly and much disrespected me despite my answering many questions, making many meaningful remarks, and demonstrating enthusiasm and initiative for the subject. My personal experience and talking with others has told me that Indians especially like to target Chinese in their nasty office politics. Towards whites/Jews, their attitude is one of deference, towards themselves, it’s one of nepotism, towards Chinese, it’s one of malice.

    Also, I had written on my blog before of an Indian scheduling coffee meeting with executives as an intern. Not only that, he rambled on to me about how Chinese companies are copycats with no innovation, how the Chinese government is really inhumane, etc. He accused me of being brainwashed by the Chinese government. That blog post is https://gmachine1729.com/2018/06/16/the-brahmins/.

    So, from the Chinese national interest, better for more Chinese to stay in China, contribute to the Chinese economy, while letting more Indians take the H1B spots in America.

    in midst of West propaganda to inflate India might.

    Do you really think there is that? Remember that Indians are fluent in English. Not only that, but they love to talk. So, among its many consequences, you have a bunch of low quality Indian content on Quora.

    India is, of course, deeply entrenched within the Anglo system with centuries of British colonialism, the English language, and a Western style political system. So even if the West much dislikes India, the West has to deal with her, with India’s performance necessarily an indirect reflection of the West. I think Westerners who are not in denial know that India is grossly incompetent and dysfunctional, but they are still pressured to delude themselves otherwise and do some damage control, much through media/propaganda.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Anon
  324. Seraphim says:
    @gmachine1729

    No, my friend, I am not Russian. My Russian is probably no better than yours.
    But there are even in the Anglo sphere people thinking outside the mental bubble of Eurocentrism which still envelops and suffocates the ‘West’, who are better informed in matters of geopolitics. The ‘convergence’ of the ‘Eurasian’ space is an inevitable phenomenon, with a long history. The ‘Silk Roads’ proved to be very old arteries of communication between different ‘civilizations’, channels for exchange of goods, ideas, technics, inventions, religions, necessarily peaceful and cooperative. Russian and Chinese civilizations were built on the same traditional ethical principles. There were no antagonistic conflicts between their worldviews. I give you an example to meditate upon: the striking similarities between the Neolithic culture of painted ceramics known as Yang Shao in China and the contemporaneous culture of painted ceramics known as Tripolie-Cucuteni in Southern Russia and Romania. Detailed analysis of their artefacts, symbolistic, show a worldview common to both cultures, which made archeologists to ponder which one ‘influenced’ the other, despite the apparent immense distance which separates them. Both are at the ends of the ‘Silk Road’.

    But perhaps the best illustration of this convergence is given by Leibniz’s “Memorandum for the Czar Peter on a Society of Sciences in Russia,”:

    “It appears to be God’s providence, that the two most powerful rulers of the earth, the czar and the emperor of China, take pains with great eagerness to introduce in their lands the knowledge of European sciences and their applications. The czar has personally familiarized himself with this knowledge with us, and it would be most unfortunate if such an opportunity, which was given to us by God, remained unused and the utmost were not put in place to make use of this for the benefit of Christendom. If there is something which should hinder the completion of these plans, then it is the unhappy condition in which Europe finds itself at this time. Fear prevails with the Protestants concerning the oppression of their religion…
    The interest which Your Majesty has in this, to make your land flourish and to bring the civilian and military matters into good condition, signifies the translation into reality that in your great land an increase in living standards, commerce, and money turnover will be provided for…
    As a consequence thereof, the people would turn more to the sciences and arts, and become hard-working. The consequences of that would be, that Your Majesty could place his immense power, which God has granted you and your land and people, towards the glory of God and to the use and benefit of all Christendom. And this is so much the more important, because thus China and Europe—as the two most extreme ends of this world—would be brought together through the mediation of the czar.
    By this means, Chinese products and news from China would come to Europe, and on the other hand the Christian faith would spread to China, indeed through Moscow as mediator. The prerequisite for this would be, that we bring to Moscow all the institutions which we have in Europe. Moreover, the czar must be able to get capable people from the most diverse occupations. He must teach his subjects”.
    It was obviously a political program of great scope, which Russia followed consistently.
    The first fruit of this merging of minds was the invention by Leibniz of the binary calculus, directly inspired by the I Ching. Leibniz was the first to describe a calculating machine based on the binary system.

  325. Anon[204] • Disclaimer says:
    @gmachine1729

    Why did India indians hate China so much?

    Since India independent, it has gone on endless spree of invasion and massacre till today. Many princely states, China South Tibet, Sikkim, Naga lands were swallowed up with British help. Mass raping & atrocity are still been done in Nagaland. Bhutan was been total subverted. Nepal, Sri Lanka, Mauritius, China Donlang are constantly under subversion & harassment. Part of Kashmir is still under Indian RAW backed terrorists attacking Pak area.

    China has settled all its borders in best terms offered by JiangZM, except two who refused to sign, India & its controlled Bhutan. Why?

    India PM Nehru was such incredible shameless liar in his self humiliated 1962 Indo-Sino border war aggression defeat. After his failed invasion, he lied to his country that China had backstabbed India in endless propaganda to save his own ass. Soon he died for his killings bad deeds. But India politicians & scholars, & West continue to hyp on this lies to drive wedge between China & India for their political gain until today.

    Only one rare good honest Australian whites speak on the Truth of India ruthless attack to China in 1962 with facts.

    https://m.timesofindia.com/india/It-wasnt-China-but-Nehru-who-declared-1962-war-Australian-journalist-Neville-Maxwell/amp_articleshow/33094229.cms

    http://www.eastasiaforum.org/2011/08/02/china-s-india-war-how-the-chinese-saw-the-1962-conflict/

    http://www.indiandefencereview.com/spotlights/maos-return-to-power-passed-through-india/

    Here’s all the long history of lies written by shameless Indians & West till today. Juz google, its voluminous.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Indian_War

    https://www.indiatoday.in/education-today/gk-current-affairs/story/india-china-war-of-1962-839077-2016-11-21

    https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/report/1984/CJB.htm

    So its not wonder Indian hate Chinese much more than Anglos that colonized & mass slaughtered them, reducing their once big GDP to bottom. China fast achievement vs India shit hole also make grapes taste very sour.

    But not all indians are bad. Mostly are those corrupted India politicians & crafty traders. Some are good nature esp if they don’t carry the historical burden.

  326. Anon[204] • Disclaimer says:
    @gmachine1729

    Here’s list compiled by DB Cooper. Its scrubbed by Google 2yrs ago. I had met some top principal engineers that left these companies. Coincidentally they are Chinese ethnic. Their departure make the company technology flush down to bottom unable to produce next gens products. Indian medical Drs are worst, even their health minister lashed out: 80% are crooks with fake certificates, the rest substandard.

    Companies ruined or almost ruined by imported Indian labor

    [MORE]

    Adaptec – Indian CEO Subramanian Sundaresh fired.
    AIG (signed outsourcing deal in 2007 in Europe with Accenture Indian frauds, collapsed in 2009)
    AirBus (Qantas plane plunged 650 feet injuring passengers when its computer system written by India disengaged the auto-pilot).
    Apple – R&D CLOSED in India in 2006.
    Australia’s National Australia Bank (Outsourced jobs to India in 2007, nationwide ATM and account failure in late 2010).
    Bell Labs (Arun Netravalli took over, closed, turned into a shopping mall)
    Boeing Dreamliner ES software (written by HCL, banned by FAA)
    Bristol-Myers-Squibb (Trade Secrets and documents stolen in U.S. by Indian national guest worker)
    Caymas – Startup run by Indian CEO, French director of dev, Chinese tech lead. Closed after 5 years of sucking VC out of America.
    Caterpillar misses earnings a mere 4 months after outsourcing to India, Inc.
    Circuit City – Outsourced all IT to Indian-run IBM and went bankrupt shortly thereafter.
    ComAir crew system run by 100% Indian IT workers caused the 12/25/05 U.S. airport shutdown when they used a short int instead of a long int
    Computer Associates – Former CEO Sanjay Kumar, an Indian national, sentenced to 12 years in federal prison for accounting fraud.
    Deloitte – 2010 – this Indian-packed consulting company is being sued under RICO fraud charges by Marin Country, California for a failed solution.
    Dell – call center (closed in India)
    Delta call centers (closed in India)
    Fannie Mae – Hired large numbers of Indians, had to be bailed out. Indian logic bomb creator found guilty and sent to prison.
    GM – Was booming in 2006, signed $300 million outsourcing deal with Wipro that same year, went bankrupt 3 years later
    HP – Got out of the PC hardware business in 2011 and can’t compete with Apple’s tablets. HP was taken over by Indians and Chinese in 2001. So much for ‘Asian’ talent!
    HSBC ATMs (software taken over by Indians, failed in 2006)
    Intel Whitefield processor project (cancelled, Indian staff canned)
    JetStar Airways computer failure brings down Christchurch airport on 9/17/11. JetStar is owned by Quantas – which is know to have outsourced to India, Inc.
    Lehman (Spectramind software bought by Wipro, ruined, trashed by Indian programmers)
    Medicare – Defrauded by Indian national doctor Arun Sharma & wife in the U.S.
    Microsoft – Employs over 35,000 H-1Bs. Stock used to be $100. Today it’s lucky to be over $25. Not to mention that Vista thing.
    MIT Media Lab Asia (canceled)
    MyNines – A startup founded and run by Indian national Apar Kothari went belly up after throwing millions of America’s VC $ down the drain.
    PeopleSoft (Taken over by Indians in 2000, collapsed).
    PepsiCo – Slides from #1 to #3 during Indian CEO Indra Nooyi’ watch.
    Polycom – Former senior executive Sunil Bhalla charged with insider trading.
    Qantas – See AirBus above
    Quark (Alukah Kamar CEO, fired, lost 60% of its customers to Adobe because Indian-written QuarkExpress 6 was a failure)
    Rolls Royce (Sent aircraft engine work to India in 2006, engines delayed for Boeing 787, and failed on at least 2 Quantas planes in 2010, cost Rolls $500m).
    SAP – Same as Deloitte above in 2010.
    Singapore airlines (IT functions taken over in 2009 by TCS, website trashed in August, 2011)
    Skype (Madhu Yarlagadda fired)
    State of Indiana $867 million FAILED IBM project, IBM being sued
    State of Texas failed IBM project.
    Sun Micro (Taken over by Indian and Chinese workers in 2001, collapsed, had to be sold off to Oracle).
    UK’s NHS outsourced numerous jobs including health records to India in mid-2000 resulting in $26 billion over budget.
    Union Bank of California – Cancelled Finacle project run by India’s InfoSys in 2011.
    United – call center (closed in India)
    Victorian Order of Nurses, Canada (Payroll system screwed up by SAP/IBM in mid-2011)
    Virgin Atlantic (software written in India caused cloud IT failure)
    World Bank (Indian fraudsters BANNED for 3 years because they stole data).

    • Replies: @gmachine1729
  327. @Anon

    Now the question is can the Indians actually bring down Google too? Google’s executives are packed with Indians now.

    My experience has told me that Indian bosses in corporate America love to prey on Chinese. I remember when this other Chinese male and me were new, in our big team meeting the Indian boss asked the new people to introduce themselves by “telling an embarrassing story about yourself.” I was somewhat nervous but I managed to think of a suitable one. It was that one time around a bunch of people, I said something in Russian but used feminine adjective with masculine noun, and this Russian guy ran out of the room laughing. Afterwards, I was asked what I actually said, and my response was “I’ll tell you later.”

    So the Russian I trolled was actually “великая могучая советский союз.”

    I’m curious as to how/where did DB Cooper acquire all that information. I guess I can put it on my site. Also, how do Indians manage to take so many executive positions in corporate America when their performance has been so dismal?

    在中国的一个好处么,就是不需要对付任何印度人,尤其在职场上。中国人也不要在美国职场上太拼命跟阿三竞争了,没啥意义,不是个公平的竞赛,结果只会让人感到后悔失望。

    By the way, you are welcome to email me, at gmachine1729 at foxmail.com.

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  328. peterAUS says:
    @Yelike

    This piece was written by Huawei and touched up minimally by Godfree Roberts.

    Basically, this is a press release from Huawei.

    Don’t say……

    The author’s writings about China feel almost as inside jokes.

    While he, on the surface, IS doing what’s been asked/told to do, his delivery is simply too crude for Western audience.

    “Kill two birds with one stone”, perhaps.

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  329. anon[499] • Disclaimer says:
    @gmachine1729

    As a fellow asian man, I generally enjoy reading what you have to say and your outlook resonates with me; that being said I wanted to offer some of my own opinions about some of the things that you wrote:

    Some say that there is essentially a CIA headed campaign in the Anglo world to emasculate Chinese men. Just look at all the negative East Asian male stereotypes in the Anglo world in the media and Hollywood and encouragement of East Asian women relationships with white men.

    Personally I never subscribed to this theory. IMO working on the assumption that the media is controlled by the jews, I have always assumed that the pro WMAF propaganda was simply one prong of the multi-pronged attempt by the jews to destabilize the genetic integrity of the white race. The other major prong being the promotion of BMWF relationships. I feel like in this case, the jews merely focused on preexisting, exploitable fault lines and took things from there. So in this regards, I dont really see asian men as the primary target of media defamation, rather we are simply a foil/collateral damage in the jewish attempt to demographically alter the west. I think too many jew-wise asian men only see the WMAF propaganda and get fired up about that without seeing the larger picture. To put it another way; its perplexing to see asian men that hate white supremacy getting mad about jewish WMAF propaganda which is actually something that is intended to dismantle white supremacy to begin with.

    Secondly, I strongly suspect that the strong bias towards negative depictions of asian men in the US media may actually be a jewish psyop that is intended to make western people underestimate asian men which in turn will cause them to underestimate china as well. My personal belief is that the jews/israel and china are closely cooperating and are orchestrating a turnover of power from the west to the east, and part of this involves psyop-ing western populations into underestimating china so that western nations will be easier to catch off guard with china’s eventual rise. Contrary to what you believe, I think that the jews and chinese people have a lot in common, and I think that the two groups of people will have a very mutually beneficial relationship in the future. On a slightly related note, far from being an enemy of east asians, I think that the jews are actually an ally. While we are genetically two different groups of people with two different cultures, we share the same spirit. Personally I’ve noticed this myself when talking with jewish people that there is a much greater chance that we’ll simply be on the same wavelength, its really uncanny.

    Thirdly, east asian men make it pretty easy for people to target us with negative stereotypes, especially with regards to our masculinity. As a very blackpilled, realistic person I kind of have to agree with western societies general perception of east asian men. When I was younger this was something that I vehemently rejected and saw as unfair and untrue, but as I grew older and got more experience with people from all walks of life, I was able to more objectively see east asian men, and east asian culture overall, and this is what led me to reluctantly agree that east asian men (generally speaking) are quite “soft” and not quite as masculine as their peers from other races/ethnic groups. This is a point that I will elaborate more on in the following paragraphs.

  330. anon[499] • Disclaimer says:
    @gmachine1729

    As for Russian-Chinese relations historically, I’ll briefly describe what I know. Contact began when the Mongols conquered Russia. The Mongols were nomads based in present day Mongolia/Siberia. They were basically kind of barbaric, without civilization/writing, but they managed to conquer North China and after that Russia/Eastern Europe along with the Tatars, and finally with many northern Chinese in their army, they conquered all of China in 1279. Though a different ethnic group, Mongols are more or less physically indistinguishable from Han Chinese.

    Although im not sure if this was your implication or not, mongols are nothing like the chinese, temperamentally speaking that is. According to my understanding, most of the chinese population is descended from many many generations of an agrarian society. Meanwhile, the mongolians descend from many many generations of warlike barbarians who lived a harsh, nomadic existence replete with frequent brutal, internecine strife with neighboring mongol tribes. Obviously, due to the impact that these different cultural/lifestyle factors had on mate selection, the mongol and chinese populations diverge significantly when it comes to their psychologies. The chinese have been selected for docility, cooperation and submissiveness while the mongolians were selected for bravery, aggression and adventurousness. This is reflected in my personal experience as well. I’ve actually had a decent amount of contact with mongolian (and also central asian people) and I can personally vouch for this. For all intents and purposes, mongolian (and central asian people) are tough people. They dont get shook easily. They have this very natural, organic masculine vibe that you’re normally used to sensing from whites, blacks and hispanics but not so much from east asian men. Ironically, their quiet masculinity reminds me a lot of hispanic (as in mestizo/indio) masculinity, but I guess thats not surprising since both groups are genetically asian (or mostly asian). Slightly off topic but here is a pretty good example of mongolian masculinity:

    While watching the boxing match between tugstsogt and marrero it occurred to me that you would never see a numerically superior population like china, korea or japan field a fighter as good as tugstsogt, yet tiny mongolia with its population of only a few million is sufficiently dense with “warrior genes” to produce fighters like this. The one possible exception from the east asian big three is korea, but thats only because korean people still retain a lot of their altaic/central asian genes as well as getting a fresh infusion of mongolian genes a few centuries ago, but even korean people are still pretty soft due to so many generations of quiet, agrarian existence. One thing I found funny about this match was that marrero was obviously underestimating tugstsogt because he was under the impression that he was fighting an EAST asian guy so he thought he could roll him (like how mayweather rolled that poor japanese kid tenshin) but what marrero was unaware of was that mongolians have a long history of fighting and violence, so he (marrero) actually wasnt prepared to fight somebody that was actually just as hard as he was if not harder.

    Anyways, this brings me back to what I was discussing in the previous paragraph with regards to east asian men. Basically, my contact with mongolian (and central asian people) has been a bittersweet experience. It was good because it opened my eyes to the fact that asian men can be naturally masculine, however at the same time I realized that it may not be something thats transferrable to EAST asian men. Simply put, we’re not wired that way, while we (east asian men) may look similar to mongolians and central asians, we have a significantly different mindset.

    Not only that, but its worth mentioning that ive done a lot of research on the east asian diet as well, and I’ve come to the conclusion that a lifelong consumption of soy products probably also plays a big part in the demasculinization of east asian men (particularly where it counts, if you get what I mean). I won’t go too much into it here, but I can tell you this: a lot of the controversy regarding soy consumption’s effect on masculinity revolves around whether people think that it reduces testosterone or increases estrogen, but actually neither things are right. The truth is that soy consumption downregulates the androgen receptors themselves. Androgen receptors are highly present in both the brain and also of course the male genitals, so you can probably imagine for yourself what would happen if a male’s androgen receptor density is kept artificially low due to semi-regular exposure to soy products during key developmental stages of his life. Unsurprisingly, soy products are completely absent from the mongolian diet, so thats something else to think about. Humorously, I tried presenting this theory to r/asianmasculinity but they called me a liar, deleted the post and banned me from the subreddit. No offense to you if you browse or post there, but a lot of those asianmasculinity guys seem kind of dopey to me.

    Anyways, I feel like this post has been long and meandering, but really I just wanted to give my two cents because like I said, I find a lot of what you write interesting and I generally agree with you about some things.

    • Replies: @tamo
    , @Joe Wong
  331. tamo says:
    @anon

    You are talking a lot of shit here. I’m Korean who served not only in the Korean Army but also as a paratrooper with the US. Army’s famed 82nd Airborne Division. First of all, ROK (South Korean) LIGHT INFANTRY training is known for being extremely tough to the point of being almost brutal. The South Korean marines and army’s LIGHT INFANTRY divisions such as the 9th division are among the best in the world, when it comes to the toughness of training and discipline and their actual combat skill. For your information, American Vietnam War veterans have the utmost respect for the ROK (South Korean) soldiers or marines who fought bravely in Vietnam just as British troops have the admiration for tough Gurkha troops. When I joined the American Army’s 82nd Airborne Division as a paratrooper after graduating the jump school which was lot tougher at the time than it is now ( while I was at the jump school, I slept only about 3 hours at night), nobody fucked with me because I looked tough ( I still do) but I still had to beat up a few unfortunate white, black, Mexican paratroopers who tried to mess with me. Pretty soon, I became one of the toughest guys in my battalion( about 700 paratroopers) because I could out-drink and out- fight any MF in my battalion. The North Korean military training is even TOUGHER THAN the South Korean military training. What I hear is the PRC and Taiwanese military training is pretty tough too. Also the Philippines is known for having very tough paratroopers and marines. But when it came to bravery, savagery, strict discipline, nobody came close to matching the Japanese soldiers in the Second World War. All these sissy- looking K-POP or J-POP shitbags DO NOT represent the REAL youth of East Asian countries.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
    , @anon
  332. peterAUS says:
    @tamo

    Be that as it may, modern military, even at a section/squad level is a bit more….say….complicated re efficiency in combat than being tough, having iron discipline etc. Or, that’s what I firmly believe.

    I get an impression that you were a soldier/trooper or junior NCO. If later, one question for you really: INITIATIVE.
    What was, or better, IS, a level of initiative in training in ROK and the rest of West aligned Asian land forces, on section/squad level?

    Or, do those prefer using
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mission-type_tactics
    from section/squad to battalion, or NOT?
    Do they TRAIN using that approach or, I’d say more likely, “order-type”?

    I am sure you understand the questions.

  333. anon[499] • Disclaimer says:
    @tamo

    You are talking a lot of shit here. I’m Korean who served not only in the Korean Army but also as a paratrooper with the US. Army’s famed 82nd Airborne Division. First of all, ROK (South Korean) LIGHT INFANTRY training is known for being extremely tough to the point of being almost brutal. The South Korean marines and army’s LIGHT INFANTRY divisions such as the 9th division are among the best in the world, when it comes to the toughness of training and discipline and their actual combat skill. For your information, American Vietnam War veterans have the utmost respect for the ROK (South Korean) soldiers or marines who fought bravely in Vietnam just as British troops have the admiration for tough Gurkha troops. When I joined the American Army’s 82nd Airborne Division as a paratrooper after graduating the jump school which was lot tougher at the time than it is now ( while I was at the jump school, I slept only about 3 hours at night), nobody fucked with me because I looked tough ( I still do) but I still had to beat up a few unfortunate white, black, Mexican paratroopers who tried to mess with me. Pretty soon, I became one of the toughest guys in my battalion( about 700 paratroopers) because I could out-drink and out- fight any MF in my battalion

    .

    You’re coping hard dude. Whats funny is that you actually proved a lot of what I was saying. Let me repost something I wrote which you seem to have missed:

    While watching the boxing match between tugstsogt and marrero it occurred to me that you would never see a numerically superior population like china, korea or japan field a fighter as good as tugstsogt, yet tiny mongolia with its population of only a few million is sufficiently dense with “warrior genes” to produce fighters like this. The one possible exception from the east asian big three is korea, but thats only because korean people still retain a lot of their altaic/central asian genes as well as getting a fresh infusion of mongolian genes a few centuries ago, but even korean people are still pretty soft due to so many generations of quiet, agrarian existence. One thing I found funny about this match was that marrero was obviously underestimating tugstsogt because he was under the impression that he was fighting an EAST asian guy so he thought he could roll him (like how mayweather rolled that poor japanese kid tenshin) but what marrero was unaware of was that mongolians have a long history of fighting and violence, so he (marrero) actually wasnt prepared to fight somebody that was actually just as hard as he was if not harder.

    I beat you to the punch so to speak. The fact that you (a korean) would be the one to accomplish everything that you did is congruent with what I was saying. That being said, elite military units are not representative of the population as a whole. I think this goes without saying, but the argument you’re trying to use is invalid. The average east asian guy is softer than your average white/black/hispanic guy. Keyword here is average, im talking about generalities here.

    As for japanese soldiers, its a complicated issue. My personal (uneducated) opinion about japanese bravery is that it was unevenly distributed throughout japanese society due to the traditional agrarian/warrior class caste split. Juxtapose this to mongolian society where EVERYBODY was a warrior and not just a select class of people. Thus in mongolian society the density of brave/alpha genes is much higher and consistently present throughout the entire population. Therefore I strongly suspect that while japan did have some native brave men, the proportion of these brave men (and their brave genes) was much less compared to the mass of the population which were farmers and only occasionally warriors. Here’s the thing you have to consider, from a demographic point of view, large numbers of the bravest and most “alpha” of japanese men were probably killed off during world war 2. Given the environment and “tone” of that time, any red blooded brave japanese man would have jumped at the chance to fight for his emperor, I couldnt imagine large amounts of brave japanese men staying home and trying to avoid military service or combat during that time in order to save themselves. Unfortunately, assuming that this was the case then due to this phenomena it ended up depleting japan’s already limited supply of alpha genes. Therefore this explains the current “betaness” of japanese men.

    That being said, to go back a little bit further into history, I would have been very interested to see the outcome if the mongols had been able to land in japan. My opinion is that they would have cleaned up. The reason being is that the mongols were historically exposed to more diversity and different types of combat due to existing on the eurasian continent and fighting adversaries from a wide number of backgrounds, meanwhile the japanese only fought amongst themselves so their true bravery was untested in a sense and therefore potentially limited.

    Also the Philippines is known for having very tough paratroopers and marines.

    Yes, filipinos are tough. I give them major credit, that being said filipinos are NOT east asians. I have repeatedly stated that I was referring to EAST asians aka china, korea and japan. Therefore none of what I said regarding east asians being soft applies to filipino people.

    All these sissy- looking K-POP or J-POP shitbags DO NOT represent the REAL youth of East Asian countries.

    Yeah, keep telling yourself that. Effeminate k-pop or j-pop idols don’t represent the real youth of east asian countries any more than elite military units do. Why are you acting as if I dont have any experience with east asian people at all? Do you really expect me to believe what you say? Your average youth in east asia is pretty soft (korea is somewhat of an exception as Ive stated before, but they’re still pretty soft compared to westerners, blacks, hispanics etc). The east asian guys I meet in america are pretty mild and soft, the same guys for the east asian guys that I meet in east asia itself. This isnt to say that they’re completely weak, because theyre not. HOWEVER, they are relatively weak/soft compared to their peers from other races. If what I was saying was untrue then things like the asian masculinity movement wouldnt even exist in the first place. Think about that.

    East asian men struggle with their masculinity and they like to lash out and blame external factors, but unlike them im choosing to look at the situation non-emotionally and correctly figure out why east asian men lack in masculinity and what can be done about it instead of impotently complaining and blaming others or conversely papering over uncomfortable truths.

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  334. tamo says:

    @PetrAUS: Do you have any military training? By reading some of your posts, I think you are a racist white American. Have you ever had military training? then what branch, what was your mos? where did .you go for basic training? How about your AIT ? Tell me about your military experience, if you have any.

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  335. tamo says:
    @anon

    What an ass , lol !!!! I bet you look like one of the skinny effeminate pimps in Manila. You sound like a sissy Asian who have been bullied by whites,blacks, HIspanicks for all your pathetic life. Hey little boy, in my case, it’s the other way around . When I go to bars,nobody gives me a problem because they know right way this East Asian is not one to be messed with. I convey that message by narrowing my NASTY slant eyes and also letting to see my muscular arms. Little boy,Eat your heart out !!! What happened to supposedly tough mongols now? Mongols are an insignificant minority in China. After all, the Han Chinese subjugated the
    supposedly tough mongols AT THE END. The same is true with allegedly tough manchus whom you can hardly find in these days. Oh yea, both mongols and manchs are SO tough, lol !!!! Don’t get me wrong, little boy, being Korean I have some mongol blood in my veins. But Koreans were a tough bunch. It took mongols many decades to conquer Korea. I’ll take REGULAR South Korean infantry soldiers or marines over black, white, hispanic or Filipino soldiers ANY TIME. Hey little boy, GROW SOME BALLS !!! A little coward like you wouldn’t last a single day in the South Korean army.

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  336. peterAUS says:
    @tamo

    Oh my…….it’s funny, actually.

    Thanks, anyway. Taking you as an example, I believe I got my answer re “initiative at section/squad” level and mission-type tactics in ROK…. and probably the rest there.

    All good.

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  337. tamo says:
    @peterAUS

    I assume you don’t have any military experience. That figures.

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  338. peterAUS says:
    @tamo

    I assume you don’t have any military experience. That figures.

    You know…it’s sad, actually.
    Not dumb, not even counterproductive, just….sad, overall.

    Maybe you’ll get it one day.

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  339. tamo says:
    @peterAUS

    keep trying,troll lol !!!!

  340. anon[499] • Disclaimer says:
    @tamo

    What an ass , lol !!!! I bet you look like one of the skinny effeminate pimps in Manila. You sound like a sissy Asian who have been bullied by whites,blacks, HIspanicks for all your pathetic life. Hey little boy, in my case, it’s the other way around . When I go to bars,nobody gives me a problem because they know right way this East Asian is not one to be messed with. I convey that message by narrowing my NASTY slant eyes and also letting to see my muscular arms. Little boy,Eat your heart out !!!

    lol, if you make being an ALPHA asian male your number one priority in life then you’ve already lost. Men from other races and ethnicities like mongols and central asians dont go around thinking “IM AN ALPHA ASIAN MALE”, rather they are just naturally alpha. They’re used to it and the idea of being an alpha representative of their race is an afterthought. Real alpha males dont have to be tryhard, in fact they’re some of the most laidback and chill people ive ever met. Its only tryhard hotheads like yourself that feel the need to overcompensate by bragging about their masculinity. Your trashtalk comes across as insecure. This is one thing that many supposedly “alpha” east asian males dont get yet, if you’re truly alpha then you won’t feel the need to prove it because it will speak for itself.

    What happened to supposedly tough mongols now? Mongols are an insignificant minority in China. After all, the Han Chinese subjugated the supposedly tough mongols AT THE END. The same is true with allegedly tough manchus whom you can hardly find in these days. Oh yea, both mongols and manchs are SO tough, lol !!!!

    Mongols are still a tough people even though they are no longer as powerful in geopolitical terms. Im guessing youve never met any mongolians or central asians. The ironic thing is, you would probably get on well with them (even better than you would with han chinese), so not really sure why you’re talking so much shit about people that youve never even met before and a culture which you’re not really familiar with.

    But Koreans were a tough bunch. It took mongols many decades to conquer Korea.

    You know why koreans are a tough bunch? Its because they descend from central asian people who were tough to begin with. You seem to be enamored with this notion of pan east-asian identity while ironically forgetting your own true roots. Korean people are temperamentally, physically and genetically closer to central asians/mongolians than they are to chinese people. So im not really sure why you feel the need to talk shit about mongolians and then talk about how great korean people are when korean people and mongolians share similar cultural and genetic roots anyways. That being said, koreans are still softer than mongolians and central asians. Want proof? Here you go:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=78&v=iY0qXy_LQ3s

    Korean men stand around while some belligerent foreigner intimidates some korean women and an old man. If this happened in mongolia or central asia then that foreigner would have been carried out of the bus in a bodybag, but since it happened in korea nobody did jackshit even though they outnumbered the guy. So please, keep talking shit about how tough koreans are. As I said before, koreans can be tough sometimes but they’re still kind of soft overall

    Anyways dude, its pretty telling that you couldnt address any of my points and instead resorted to pointlessly shit talking. Im guessing its probably because you realized your argument was actually pretty weak and that you couldnt refute anything I said. If what I was saying was really that stupid then you would be able to debate it instead of just talking trash.

  341. tamo says:

    Alpha male or not, I don’t go around and get beaten up and bullied by whites, blacks, mexicans. Your problem is that you look like a little weakling with your neck and arms the size of my pinkie and who gets constantly picked on by the punks of other races. An Asian male like you unfortunately reinforces the WRONG idea that Asian males are weak. You are only good at spewing out a lot of BS with your laptop and even afraid of your own shadow. For your information, there are a lot of mongols working in South Korea where I spend part of the year. I have nothing against the mongols. As a matter of fact, I feel a kinship to them. Sometimes shitbag young Korean punks harass and beat up these mongols. Quiet a few times, I came to the aid of the mongols by heating hell out of the Korea punks. I’m sure there are a lot of weak Koreans, but in general, they are tough and can take care of themselves. For your information, my ex-wife and all my ex- girlfriends happen to be white. I made it sure all my girlfriends were white because I was sick and tired of seeing WMAF combos all the time. A lot of times I INTENTIONALLY took white girls away from their
    sissy white boyfriends. Have you ever noticed that in the WMAF combos, about 9 out of 10 times, it’s a below-average looking nerdy white guy whom no decent -looking white women want and pretty damn UGLY Asian women whom no decent-looking Asian men want. Only once in awhile you see decent-looking WMAF couples. All these fat, smelly, ugly, sissy white guys are welcome to all these UGLY asian women, LOL !!!

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  342. Joe Wong says:
    @peterAUS

    The West (Europeans and their offshoots like the American, Aussie, etc.) is where is now, because of those hundreds of millions of people all over the world who were robbed and murdered, those who become victims of their very madness of colonialism and orientalism, of the crusades and the slave and Opium trades. Cathedrals and palaces, museums and theatres, train stations – all had been constructed on horrid foundations of bones and blood, and amalgamated by tears.

    The West squandered all the wealth they obtained thru stealing, looting and murdering hundreds of millions of people all over the world in the scrabbling of a dog-eat-dog play rough over the monopoly to plunder the rest of the world through two World Wars, one on the edge of Armageddon, and on the verge of another Armageddon. It proves the West is incapable of bringing peace and prosperity to the mankind because of their flawed culture, civilization and religion. The chaos and suffering of the world in the last few hundreds of years under the dominance the West proves they are a failure.

    The West cannot swallow the fact that another civilization other than their ‘god-fearing’ morally defunct evil ‘xtian’ culture will work, so they have to fabricate something worse than themselves out their cult hatred infested mindset to justify their crimes against humanity, crimes against peace and war crimes that are unprecedented in human history. China fits their demonizing bill, because Chinese humanity based and harmony focused civilization make the West appears barbaric, ugly, irrational, fanatical, feudal, and all other aspects that human beings should not be. Destroying Chinese image will make the ugly West appear normal. Western media is the vanguard of that effort.

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  343. Joe Wong says:
    @peterAUS

    WHO decides who will “require direct injection”?

    Those who are greedy, selfish, zero-sum and beggar-thy-neighbour minded, and mean spirited definitely have no right to decide any issue related to helping the disadvantaged, or any other issues for the greater good.

  344. peterAUS says:
    @Joe Wong

    …..Chinese humanity based and harmony focused civilization ….

    You know…I feel that even a true product of Beijing (current) social engineering is smart enough to realize how idiotic that statement above is.

    As for Western plundering, war and mayhem, be that as it may, we in open societies do know something about East being equally good at it.
    Let’s skip Attila, Genghis Khan and Tamerlane.

    I know what the author feels about
    https://mises.org/wire/horrors-communist-china
    What’s your take on it? Harmony focused civilization too? Hehe…just curious.

    And, while we are onto it, how about:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanjing_Massacre
    Very….what’s your expression..ah, yes, “harmonious”.
    West did that too?

    Your types are just funny.In sort of pathetic way, that is.

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    , @Godfree Roberts
  345. anon[499] • Disclaimer says:
    @tamo

    Alpha male or not, I don’t go around and get beaten up and bullied by whites, blacks, mexicans. Your problem is that you look like a little weakling with your neck and arms the size of my pinkie and who gets constantly picked on by the punks of other races. An Asian male like you unfortunately reinforces the WRONG idea that Asian males are weak. You are only good at spewing out a lot of BS with your laptop and even afraid of your own shadow.

    Why do you keep saying this? You know nothing about me or my history lol. Just FYI, Im bros with whites, blacks, hispanics etc. They respect me because im actually pretty masculine and chill compared to most asian guys; as a result of my “unique” position, im able to understand what east asian guys lack and why they don’t get the respect that they feel that they deserve. Just to be clear, I don’t take pride in being a particularly masculine asian guy; its just whatever. I dont feel like I need to prove anything by being an “alpha” asian male. So yeah, everything you said was actually the opposite of what I am.

    The fact that you try so hard to promote the idea that east asian men are strong and masculine strongly suggests that maybe internally you don’t believe it yourself. If east asian men were actually really strong and masculine then you wouldnt even be getting bothered that much because the truth would be self-evident. Doth protest too much

    For your information, there are a lot of mongols working in South Korea where I spend part of the year. I have nothing against the mongols. As a matter of fact, I feel a kinship to them.

    Yup, so I dont know why you wanna talk shit about them. That says a lot about your character if you baselessly talk shit about people that you “feel a kinship to”.

    I’m sure there are a lot of weak Koreans, but in general, they are tough and can take care of themselves.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=78&v=iY0qXy_LQ3s

    If this was the case then why didnt all the able bodied korean men take care of their women and elderly in this situation? Why did you just skip over this and not address this? Listen buddy, I didnt feel like mentioning this before because I dont want to put too many of my personal details out there, but im korean too. How else do you think I know so much about korean stuff? As a korean, I know that you’re bullshitting when you talk about all these mythical alpha korean dudes. The truth is exactly as I stated, koreans are generally pretty tough for east asian males, but at the same time there is a lot of weakness and softness in our people as well. Even you admit that there are a lot of weak koreans so im not really sure what you’re mad about.

    For your information, my ex-wife and all my ex- girlfriends happen to be white. I made it sure all my girlfriends were white because I was sick and tired of seeing WMAF combos all the time. A lot of times I INTENTIONALLY took white girls away from their sissy white boyfriends. Have you ever noticed that in the WMAF combos, about 9 out of 10 times, it’s a below-average looking nerdy white guy whom no decent -looking white women want and pretty damn UGLY Asian women whom no decent-looking Asian men want. Only once in awhile you see decent-looking WMAF couples. All these fat, smelly, ugly, sissy white guys are welcome to all these UGLY asian women, LOL !!!

    This sounds a lot like insecurity to be honest. Why do you try so hard to prove a point? I’ve probably slept with more women than you have, including lots and lots of white women. However I dont really think its a big deal so thats why I didnt bother bringing it up. Furthermore, I actually enjoy white women but not because im trying to prove some stupid point about asian masculinity, rather I just like white women thats all. Its pretty sad that you apparently live your whole life as some sort of reaction or attempt at proving that east asian men can be alpha. Why not just live life how you want without worrying so much about how everyone else sees you? Judging from your tone and the kind of things you write, it sounds like you spend a lot of time on r/asianmasculinity. Just FYI that place is full of neurotic, paranoid, whiny losers. When I go to that place (very rarely), I actually feel weaker and more insecure than if I dont go. Its pretty bad man

    Anyways, I feel like this exchange is going nowhere. You don’t want to stay on topic and have an actual discussion, instead you just want to trashtalk and turn this into a dick measuring contest. Sorry bro but if thats how its gonna be then there’s no point in having a discussion with you and spamming up the comments section

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  346. Joe Wong says:
    @anon

    You give a very good reflection on the impact of Yellow Peril on the Westerners psyche. The shadow of Yellow Peril on the Westerners is unmistakably disseminated between your lines. The fear of Yellow Peril makes Westerners adore Mongol subconsciously.

    The West does not want to mention that Chinese subjugates Mongol and their forebears as long as one can remember except for that 100 year break during the 13th century, because it makes the West impotent and weak.

  347. Joe Wong says:
    @peterAUS

    The article published by mises.org is simply drop in the bucket of misinformation and disinformation spread by the West to mask that the West cannot swallow the fact that another civilization other than their ‘god-fearing’ morally defunct evil ‘xtian’ culture will work, so they have to fabricate something worse than themselves out their cult hatred infested mindset to justify their crimes against humanity, crimes against peace and war crimes that are unprecedented in human history. China fits their demonizing bill, because Chinese humanity based and harmony focused civilization make the West appears barbaric, ugly, irrational, fanatical, feudal, and all other aspects that human beings should not be. Destroying Chinese image will make the ugly West appear normal. Western media is the vanguard of that effort.

    The horrors only happened in the western media and in the minds of the westerners who have a mindset of the past, stalled in the old days of colonialism and constrained by the zero-sum cold war mentality; it did not happen in China.

    Japanese do not consider them Asian, they are gladly be called ‘honorable White’ despite an unnormal one. Japanese are completely mentally colonized by the White xtians, they don’t have identity and self value, and they are a totally lost cause, that’s why they imitated what the xtian did.

  348. tamo says:
    @anon

    Hey little boy, prove to me you are Korean. In your next comment, I want you to type in Korean. If you don’t have a Korean typewriter, then you can type using the Roman Alphabet. By and large, Koreans are tough people not just by east asian standards but by any standards. Just look at the country. In 1960, the Philippines was ahead of South Korea in economic development. But take a look at the countries now. While South Korea has become a rich developed country thanks to the Korean people’s tenacity and hard work which is the result of the innate TOUGHNESS of the Korean people, the Philippines is still a THIRD WORLD HELLHOLE. If you are indeed Korean , then I think you are nothing but a sissy Korean who belongs to the very MINORITY of my people. I think you never had ANY WOMAN in your life. I bet you are still a CHERRY and get all kinds of women only in your nightly pathetic WET DREAMS and I feel sorry for your overworked fingers lol !!! You are a typical armchair doo she. who is only good at regurgitating your stupid BS. For your information, I don’t go to so-called asian forums. I sometimes go to American Renaissance
    which is a WN site full of white racist buttholes. I get kick out of harassing these morons. Even in the toughest groups, you will find weak members like you. I see a lot of your favorite people, the supposedly tough mongols in South Korea. A large majority of the mongols are construction workers who are in good physical shape. But these mongols get their asses kicked by Koreans pretty often. So don’t tell me how tough the mongols are lol !!!!

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  349. peterAUS says:

    I know what the author feels about
    https://mises.org/wire/horrors-communist-china
    What’s your take on it? Harmony focused civilization too? Hehe…just curious.

    it did not happen in China.

    O.K.

    And, while we are onto it, how about:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanjing_Massacre
    Very….what’s your expression..ah, yes, “harmonious”.
    West did that too?

    Japanese do not consider them Asian

    O.K.

    Well…the current session of your online therapy is going well I say.
    How about you tell me/us what would you like to happen should China become top dog in the world? Like, for example, what would happen to Australia?
    Don’t hold back. It’s free, you know.Just type ………

  350. anon[499] • Disclaimer says:
    @tamo

    Hey little boy, prove to me you are Korean. In your next comment, I want you to type in Korean.

    난 한국사람이야, 뭘 말할까?

    By and large, Koreans are tough people not just by east asian standards but by any standards. Just look at the country. In 1960, the Philippines was ahead of South Korea in economic development. But take a look at the countries now. While South Korea has become a rich developed country thanks to the Korean people’s tenacity and hard work which is the result of the innate TOUGHNESS of the Korean people, the Philippines is still a THIRD WORLD HELLHOLE.

    toughness has nothing to do with economic development. By this standard japanese should be alpha males too but they’re not. Meanwhile lots of latin-american countries are pretty poor but nobody questions their masculinity.

    I think you never had ANY WOMAN in your life. I bet you are still a CHERRY and get all kinds of women only in your nightly pathetic WET DREAMS and I feel sorry for your overworked fingers lol !!!

    Thats cool bro, if you want to believe that that’s fine.

    A large majority of the mongols are construction workers who are in good physical shape. But these mongols get their asses kicked by Koreans pretty often. So don’t tell me how tough the mongols are lol !!!!

    No comment. Ive never seen koreans and mongols square off, but going off of the mongols/central asians I have met and the koreans I have met, koreans tend to be nerdier and kind of “beta”. The mongols and central asians I have met tend to be more aggressive and macho. Im guessing you’re probably leaving something out, like maybe a group of koreans ganged up on a mongol or maybe the mongols are afraid of getting deported so they don’t fight back etc etc. Anyways, without having personally seen this I will refrain from definitely commenting on it, but from what I’ve seen you say so far I wouldnt be surprised if you’re just talking trash as usual.

    Once again, im going to ask you where were all these alpha korean guys when this happened?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=78&v=iY0qXy_LQ3s

    This foreigner was yelling and threatening korean women and an old man, but the korean men hardly did anything at all. Why do you refuse to directly address this video? Ive already posted it twice and you refuse to comment on it, instead you just ignore it. I think that says a lot about how strong your stance actually is. Im sorry dude but the korean guys in this video represent a large number of your average korean guys. Sure there are some really macho korean guys but they dont represent the majority of korean guys so I dont know why you keep bullshitting. As a korean, who knows lots of koreans and has been to korea I know what korean people are like. You are so full of shit.

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    , @tamo
  351. tamo says:
    @anon

    Finally I saw the video. I’m man enough to admit that those young Koreans were cowards. and you are right there is NO EXCUSE for them not beating up that black guy and to protect the old man. I’m very ashamed of their cowardly inaction. If I had been there, the black guy would have been a dead meat and also I would have beat the hell out of those cowardly young Koreans too. You won and I lost. I want you know that what I said about myself is all true. I’m sorry I insulted you.

  352. tamo says:
    @anon

    Also I want you to read this. It was on Yahoo Answer. Who are the toughest people in the world?
    Hey, I live in Detroit Michigan. I just kinda wanna know who are the toughest people in fights and conflicts. My opinions is that the Russians are. What i’ve heard is that’s practically impossible to beat a Russian up in one-on-one fight, and they are braver than all other nations. What do u think?

    [MORE]

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    Best Answer: I am a combat veteran, and have served in war with military units from many countries. In my experience, the Korean is the most vicious, meanest, toughest, and sneakiest fighter in the world. In Vietnam the “ROK” soldiers were feared above all others because they showed no thought, no plan, and no mercy. They were sent to kill…and kill they did. Expertly, quickly, and without remorse. Somali soldiers are desparate, they are hungry, but they are undisciplined, untrained, and physically weak. Russians are very strong, agile, and impervious to physical attack. A somali will give up when out gunned, a Russian never will, and a ROK has already cut your throat. There are exceptions to every rule, but If I had to choose just one, based on my knowledge and experience, it’s the ROK who will get the job done.I completely agree with the assessment

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  353. Anon[177] • Disclaimer says:
    @gmachine1729

    Someone had compiled that long list for whatever reason. Few yrs ago, its still possible to Google “Corporates ruin by Indian” to get a long list. Since Indian Pichai took over, these info were scrubbed very clean throwing up only Indian corp good news.

    But i just tried, it seems Google has relaxed their algorithm abit to let a few real old lists pass through again, with more links on arguing Indians are make scapegoats. That’s about all.

    Looking at how Google screwing up itself gradually & get Indianized, i would expect to see it’s name added to the list in due time.

    There are sure some good talents among 1.3B Indians. Those upper Brahmin caste, North Indians are traditionally proven very smart to qualify as top manager. But why aren’t Germans, Russians, Japanese, Koreans & Chinese of equivalent great talents leading these West corporates?

    Like jews, it got a lot to do with Indians flair in English & smooth talking that help their climbing. But one most likely cause was: US deep state is propping up Indians as counter weight to China rise as well as an easy access to India market.

    The problem is Indians work mostly on nepotism ignoring merits, once given enough power, they will relace others with their owns, leaving very few competent ones to do all real works until the ship sink.

    This is especially so for high tech company that usually relied on few talented engineers to dev future products. Once been replaced by incompetent Indians, the company will soon find unable to lead in the field when its old products get obsolete without replacement.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  354. peterAUS says:
    @Anon

    Just to add a bit:

    …it got a lot to do with Indians flair in English & smooth talking that help their climbing.

    They do have highly developed social skills, especially when dealing with those above them.
    Make of that what you will.

    The problem is Indians work mostly on nepotism ignoring merits, once given enough power, they will relace others with their owns, leaving very few competent ones to do all real works until the ship sink.

    NOT quite sure about it.
    There is fierce competition (and worse…..) among them.
    My experience: they as managers, Asians as labor (or, in this case, techs and engineers).

    Off topic, but woes of tech industry are much more complicated than just “Indians overflowing” it.

    My take: it’s same as with all the rest. Immediate profit wants of owners/shareholders, short term goals of upper management echelons and cheap and compliant (in that order) of labor.

    An anecdote:
    I watched, amused, in a Telco, a meeting of top engineering team. Most of engineers were White with sprinkling of Asians. All male, from early 40’s to late 50’s.
    The manager, Indian woman in late 30’s.

    Having said that I’ve come across an outfit doing menial tech work, led by local Whites and populated with Indian techs from top Western universities/colleges. On minimum wages, naturally, with, how to put it, shitty working conditions.

    So….you make your feelings about Indians plain here; I just feel that the full picture is a bit more complicated.
    Or not: GREED and power. As always.

    • Replies: @Anon
  355. @Anonymous

    A(375)-
    With your background in these matters-
    A favour please.
    Before it was flooded away with junk,you could google old issues
    of Gersbeck’s Radio World Magazine. From the early 1920’s.
    I was looking for something else, and came across
    a Fascinating article on Tunneling diodes. Developed
    In the CCCP. Used for oscillators and Amplifiers.
    These were Not the whisker tapped lead crystal receivers
    and seemed very advanced.
    My Question- Why were these not developed/deployed
    instead of the tubes?

  356. anon[499] • Disclaimer says:
    @tamo

    Finally I saw the video. I’m man enough to admit that those young Koreans were cowards. and you are right there is NO EXCUSE for them not beating up that black guy and to protect the old man. I’m very ashamed of their cowardly inaction. If I had been there, the black guy would have been a dead meat and also I would have beat the hell out of those cowardly young Koreans too. You won and I lost. I want you know that what I said about myself is all true. I’m sorry I insulted you.

    its cool man, I respect that. I respect your accomplishments too. The important thing as koreans is that we need to analyze our culture and push out the weakness within ourselves.

    Best Answer: I am a combat veteran, and have served in war with military units from many countries. In my experience, the Korean is the most vicious, meanest, toughest, and sneakiest fighter in the world. In Vietnam the “ROK” soldiers were feared above all others because they showed no thought, no plan, and no mercy. They were sent to kill…and kill they did. Expertly, quickly, and without remorse. Somali soldiers are desparate, they are hungry, but they are undisciplined, untrained, and physically weak. Russians are very strong, agile, and impervious to physical attack. A somali will give up when out gunned, a Russian never will, and a ROK has already cut your throat. There are exceptions to every rule, but If I had to choose just one, based on my knowledge and experience, it’s the ROK who will get the job done.I completely agree with the assessment

    korean people have lots of potential, I agree with this. However we still have a long ways to go. Military wise we might excel, but im also hoping that in an interpersonal sense we can become tougher too. In this regards, I have much respect for the russians, never met a soft russian in my life. Im sure they exist, but they’re not that common.

    • Replies: @tamo
    , @tamo
  357. See so many west people believe that 5G is harmful/dangerous tech to human being, actually makes me feel good.
    Really nice, keep thinking that way.

  358. Walt says:

    picked up on http://82.221.129.208/.xq1.html

    BOOM: REASON FOR HUAWEI BAN:

    Trump announced a ban on all Chinese internet products. He’s probably been poorly informed by his so called “advisors”. Here is what is most likely the real reason for the ban.

    MY GUESS: Huawei has created it’s own totally in house processors that are too modified from the original Cortex configuration for the NSA (or Israel) to accept. Huawei’s Kirin 980 processors blow away all processors developed for use in Apple’s products and totally destroy all other processors in all other products, including all products from Samsung. Huawei actually designs the chips from the ground up, requiring Huawei’s own background operating system that Huawei wrote itself, and they did not play suck up to the NSA or Israel and the phones are actually secure. Therefore, their products are banned because once they became the best there is, it was the last straw for the NSA and Israel if they could not have their back doors, complete with gold trim and idiot assistance on top of the best performance. They just could not stomach having Huawei block them and on top of that be officially “vogue” in the #1 spot. Want proof? HERE IT IS:
    https://www.theverge.com/2018/8/31/17803682/huawei-kirin-980-processor-soc-qualcomm-snapdragon-845-ifa-2018
    Banning Huawei products is absolutely ridiculous when operation Talpiot has completely raped every processor there is. In this case, what is good for the goose is obviously NOT good for the gander! If you want a truly modern awesome processor that is not NSA or Israeli Ashkenazi raped the Kirin 980 it is. (and frankly I could care less if China has it raped because they are not going to send storm troopers to an American door) and I doubt it is raped anyway. Doubt is far far better than total confirmation to boot!

    FACT: The tribe is backstabbing China’s superior work (finally superior) because they can’t muster up something better themselves and don’t want people to notice China has something better than their BUGGED BS. That is the introduction, first chapter, middle and END OF STORY. Who cares if China is communist, when what the vaccine sabotaging Trump overthrowing AMERICA LAST Ashkenazi tribe’ form of communism they have in store for us is the alternative? At least China is not destroying it’s population en masse with phony shots under the disguise of “vaccines” PLUS the nation itself on purpose! I’d take the Chinese brand of communism long before the Ashkenazi version, but that does not mean what China has is acceptable – I’d kill before accepting even their “less awful” version.
    The Chinese ought to start putting their Kirin 980 into laptops and desktops. Why stop with phones? They could probably put an end to Stuxnet and free the world.

    • Replies: @TT
  359. Walt says:

    picked up on http://82.221.129.208/.xq8.html

    Cleaning up the mess: Let’s get the details of 5G clear
    5G is the LEAST penetrating of all wireless technologies by a factor of an average of 20 cubed. This means it has a hard time penetrating anything, including your skin. If anyone posts “it penetrates better than anything” they are wrong, and don’t understand how frequencies behave. The fact that 5G has such a difficult time penetrating anything at all is what makes it dangerous.

    Why would a lack of an ability to penetrate make it dangerous? Answer: Because of the type of phase array antenna all 5g devices need to function. The device can easily triangulate where the tower is because the frequencies are high enough to allow triangulation from only the antennas in a small device. The device, knowing exactly where the tower is, then uses a phase array antenna to blast a signal back to the tower. This would not be a problem if the device never tried to reach the tower through your brain, but if your brain is between it and the tower, you’re going to have massively focused energy cutting a thin line through your brain, and it will definitely cause damage. And even if they figure out how to cause the device to normally point that beam away from you, what about other people nearby? They cannot be factored in. 5G is going to be a haphazard wave throw. Interestingly, because of the nature of how such devices work, mark my word: People will notice the device giving off “heat”. It will definitely happen. it will “give off heat” but won’t be hot itself. That’s because the “heat” will be the radio waves getting absorbed by your body, with as much gain as they are using people are without question going to notice.

    What’s going to happen when your brain gets that heat, and you can’t feel it? The brain itself can’t feel injury, headaches are felt from the inside linings of blood vessels in the brain and not the actual neurons. You could fry lots of them and never feel a thing.

    And the elite don’t care, they are doing all they can to destroy our intelligence with shots they claim are vaccines and are clearly not. 5G brain damage would probably be an asset to them as far as they see it. I cannot believe they are legalizing it at all.

    I will NEVER use 5g, EVER. I don’t need a daily dose of brain damage!~

  360. tamo says:
    @anon

    I’m really glad I ran into you. You are my kind of Korean I’d like to hang out with. Yes, we Koreans are a remarkable people going from a very poor third-world country to a wealthy industrialized country in one generation. Sure, we Koreans have our own share of sissy cowardly weak effeminate losers. But I would say this. About 10% of adult Korean males are something else. These guys are among the toughest, meanest, most vicious, even sadistic MFs in the world. You would find a lot of these guys in Korean airborne (paratroops), light infantry, marine units. Also in civilian life in the JO POK that is the Korean version of organized crime. I think a vast majority of Korean males( with the exception of the real sissy ones) have pent-up violent streaks in them that they have to repress all the time because of many of societal and cultural dictates regarding proper behavior. But in combat situations, they are given a license to kill their enemies. That’s when even average Koreans finally let loose those pent-up violent feelings go apeshit and become monstrously tough and tenacious soldiers that every military officer dreams about. I have been to Vladivostok in the Russian Far East and met some Russians. I think they are ok but I still take Korean soldiers over Russian ones in combat. When it comes to drinking, it’s a toss-up between Koreans and Russians. Yes, you are right, AVERAGE Koreans should let loose their pent-up violent feelings against any foreign MFs who try to mess with them instead controlling their violent feelings too much. The black punk in the bus would have been DEAD, if he had met one of the Korean male 10- percenters. I really appreciated your reply, thank you very much.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @TT
  361. tamo says:
    @anon

    Please make sure of reading my reply.

  362. @Yelike

    Is there a statement or claim in this Huawei press release that is inaccurate or misleading????

  363. @peterAUS

    Have you been able to find any falsehoods in the midst of my crudity?

    Or does crude = truthful in your lexicon?

    • Replies: @TT
  364. @peterAUS

    From your link: “How many died as a result of persecutions and the policies of Mao? Perhaps you care to guess? Many people over the years have attempted to guess. But they have always underestimated. As more data rolled in during the 1980s and 1990s, and specialists have devoted themselves to investigations and estimates, the figures have become ever more reliable. And yet they remain imprecise. What kind of error term are we talking about? It could be as low as 40 million. It could be as high as 100 million or more. In the Great Leap Forward from 1959 to 1961 alone, figures range between 20 million to 75 million. In the period before, 20 million. In the period after, tens of millions more”.

    Total bullshit, as you can see from these articles:

    http://www.unz.com/article/tiananmen-square-1989-revisited/

    http://www.unz.com/article/mao-reconsidered/?highlight=mao

    http://www.unz.com/article/mao-reconsidered-part-two-whose-famine/

    http://www.unz.com/article/the-great-proletarian-cultural-revolution/

  365. peterAUS says:

    You know….all those references are from this very site, so am not quite sure are you an idiot or simply having good time here trolling around. Some inside joke you and the owner of this site are pulling on people here. I would prefer that, in fact.

    You troll, have a good time and on top of it get paid by those idiots in Beijing. The site gets a lot of hits, particularly from those frustrated Chinks and West haters offloading their pent up aggression….what’s not to like?

    Good gig, guys.

    • Replies: @tamo
    , @Godfree Roberts
  366. tamo says:
    @peterAUS

    You sound like a very low level frustrated Honkie code worker who lost his job to another low Hispanic code worker. Your days are gone for good. You should try to find a job either mopping floors or washing dishes at an Olive Garden restaurant . I wish you good luck.

  367. anon[499] • Disclaimer says:
    @tamo

    Yes, im well aware of the phenomena that you’re referring to. I think that this is a great source of strength if it can be properly harnessed. My opinion is that korean culture tends to mishandle this energy, in fact I sort of despise korean culture because I think in many ways its dysfunctional. That being said, I have thought of a few ways to improve the situation. Do you have a throwaway email that we can communicate through?

  368. tamo says:

    We, Koreans have a tendency to be too hard on ourselves. But when you look at other countries, they are far worse in dealing with their own problems. I don’t have a throwaway email address. But you can find me on this site when Korea or China -related subjects are discussed. I’m specially interested in Chinese technological developments from the prehistoric times up to the Industrial Revolution.

  369. AaronB says:

    From all the crazies this site attracts, the East Asians are collectively the weirdest, most deranged, most disturbed, and most inventive. And people say Asians don’t have personality. These deeply disturbed Asians are by far the most spirited and weird of the crazies here, miles above the second most, the Jewish conspiracy people.

    This also shows that whatever virus is afflicting the world these days, it isn’t limited to the West. I’m travelling in Asia right now, and I am sad to report that in many Asian countries the social pathologies are extreme and the general moral climate as unhealthy as the West, often worse, just in different ways.

    Unfortunately the virus seems to be global now.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  370. peterAUS says:
    @AaronB

    From all the crazies this site attracts, the East Asians are collectively the weirdest, most deranged, most disturbed, and most inventive.

    These deeply disturbed Asians are by far the most spirited and weird of the crazies here, miles above the second most….

    I’m travelling in Asia right now, and I am sad to report that in many Asian countries the social pathologies are extreme and the general moral climate as unhealthy as the West, often worse, just in different ways.

    Hehe……don’t say……..don’t say……

    Now, any chance you could write here a couple of those pathologies? Just to, sort of, balance out, this “harmony” and “paradise” the author and resident …characters…..spout about China and Asia in general?
    Or, you can wait for the next article of the author, and post that there. No rush. Neither the pathologies nor the propagandists are going anywhere. On the contrary, actually.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  371. TT says:
    @Walt

    Bingo. HW greatest sin is its complex security beyong any existing supercomputer to hack(100yrs to do) or required a Quantum, blinding US-Israel 5Lies & Prism that stir the hysteria banned.

    Every US high tech products has a backdoor for CIA, Intel cpu even got a embedded spy standalone cpu, but Huawei simply refuse to roll over for CIA.

    And HW proprietary 5G chip is even more superior, combining several function chips into single complex SOC, thus eliminating the needs of optic fibre to link various function blocks. This drastically cut down cost, power consumption, weight & size of towers, thus its competitive edge beyond West. And its too tough to reverse engineer such complex hyper speed SOC.

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  372. TT says:
    @tamo

    Koreans was one toughest race that China couldn’t fully subjugate in history. But Chinese civilization has won over their hearts, which Koreans embraced Confucianism, Chinese writing, arts, costumes & everything into their lives. Sometimes soft power triumph hard macho, like anon has soft talked you into liking him with reasons.

    That’s how we men often lost to meowing women, soft power is more lethal.

    • Replies: @tamo
  373. TT says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    Truth is a thorn to loser ears.

    Chinese hubris in Qing Dynasty brought their downfall. West hubris is repeating the history now.

    When lies are repeated often, they stick & become conventional truth.

  374. Anon[229] • Disclaimer says:
    @peterAUS

    My take: it’s same as with all the rest. Immediate profit wants of owners/shareholders, short term goals of upper management echelons and cheap and compliant (in that order) of labor.

    Once a blue moon you make sensical comment. But that’s only reflected on CEO& corporate raiders small part.

    Deep states of US is main driving force to prop up Indians to counter balance China rise, and fattening another pig preparing for parasitic joos oligarchs feasting. Monsanto GMO & Gate’s Foundation vaccines program already make havoc inside India.

    Also that’s why you see many strategic global assets fire sales to India, like steel production from West to Asia, UK Jaguar & Rover, blatant West nuclear tech & material sales violating UN laws, capital injection, …etc.

    But India is India, everything just been squandered & wither away like its ancient Ganges river flowing as it likes. If all those were given to Chinese, it will multiply like nuclear reaction with a 3Gorges dam power train.

  375. tamo says:
    @TT

    I fully agree. Even if I’m Korean, I’m a sinophile because I think China is the mother civilization of the East Asia. ( not only for Korea but also for Japan and Vietnam) in the same way the Westerners think the Greek civilization is the origin of the European civilization. There would be no Korean culture without the input from the great Chinese civilization. For example about 90% of Korean nouns have Chinese origin. In Korean schools, they still teach WRITTEN Chinese. I can understand about 50% of what they are talking about when I read Chinese newspapers provided they are written in the TRADITIONAL script. But my understanding of written Chinese characters goes way down with the SIMPLIFIED version that the mainland China uses.

    • Replies: @TT
  376. AaronB says:
    @peterAUS

    Well, with some exceptions (notably Japan, which has its own set of problems), people seem unhappy and depressed across much of Asia. It is not the land of optimism we are being told it is.

    The social and moral climate seems harsh, lots of angry, cold facial expressions, rudeness, cheating each other, etc. These attitudes characterize their interactions with each other, not foreigners.

    Before I left to Asia I spent some time in California – honestly, I found the people there so much more friendly, relaxed, and optimistic.

    There are of course exceptions, in Taiwan, Japan, pockets here and there, but there is a different kind of social anomie there. And of course there are individual exceptions, and some great people here.

    But I think overall Asia is really feeling the strain of modern times, and not dealing with it so well.

    I knew this already, but I am still shocked by the amount of prostitution here – it is a sex obsessed continent. I am not against prostitution – but this level seems unhealthy, and maybe related to the general depression, as a form of distraction.

    Like the West, it seems modern capitalism destroys all – and the days of Confucian harmony are in the past. Asia today is cutthroat and competitive. It just goes to show.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  377. AaronB says:
    @AaronB

    Even 8-10 years ago Asia was morally in a much healthier place. Something has changed, like in much of the rest of the world.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  378. peterAUS says:
    @AaronB

    Informative and agree.

    I guess you are onto something here:

    ….it seems modern capitalism destroys all….

    ….Something has changed

    Well, I’d say it’s all THIS around us. This…post-modernist, “progtard/liberal” globalization. Whatever.

    It’s just funny to see all this effort to shove down our throats that “Beijing”….ahm…. solution.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  379. AaronB says:
    @peterAUS

    It’s just funny to see all this effort to shove down our throats that “Beijing”….ahm…. solution.

    True, but its human nature to want to hope. Things are bad in the West, so it’s nice to hope they are good in Asia. It’s hard to admit that modern institutions and technologies themselves are at fault, and whoever adopts them gets affected, and thus it is a global phenomenon.

    That seems hopeful. It isn’t, really. More challenging, yes, but there is always hope, and eventually things do right themselves.

    But the fantasy of a healthy China is just a distraction. Its as sick as we moderns all are.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  380. peterAUS says:
    @AaronB

    It’s hard to admit that modern institutions and technologies themselves are at fault, and whoever adopts them gets affected, and thus it is a global phenomenon.

    Well, I guess the problem is a bit deeper. It’s not about “modern technologies” but about people who use them. Human nature, essentially.
    We know that even starting to talk about that isn’t possible in this “pub”.
    This place, at least, doesn’t censor much. Good start but not good enough.

    I am still waiting (almost 30 years now…) for a place where smart people could, openly, discuss and hopefully resolve, important issues facing us.Hehe…can’t say I lost hope but, how to put it, don’t expect to see it in my lifetime.

    That seems hopeful. It isn’t, really. More challenging, yes, but there is always hope, and eventually things do right themselves.

    Not so sure about the later. Unless you a a cockroach of a rat (that’s what’s supposed to survive a nuclear war some say).

    But the fantasy of a healthy China is just a distraction. Its as sick as we moderns all are.

    Yep.

  381. @peterAUS

    Other than ad hominem nonsense, can you refute anything in the articles?

    Or are you a troll whose MO is accusing others of being trolls?

  382. @TT

    Thanks for the details about the SOC. I’ll add it to an upcoming piece on the trade war.

    • Replies: @TT
  383. tamo says:

    I just wonder how some people become “instant experts” on Asia, when they don’t even speak any of Asian countries’ languages and stay in these countries for a very short time or are NEVER BEEN there and then try to sound like some kind of “expert”. These third-rate amateurs always make me laugh.

  384. TT says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    Huawei, the only complete 5G solution provider.

    https://www.ippmedia.com/en/news/huawei-launches-worlds-first-5g-base-station-core-chip

    -Balong 5000 cellular chip
    -World first Tiangang 5G base station chip
    -First data switch with AI for autonomous network
    -Cloud & everything required to deliver complete end to end 5G Solution, with only half the setup time of 4G.
    -Expandable with modules block adding using blade form factor.

    http://telecoms.com/494921/huawei-launches-its-own-5g-chip/

    news
    Huawei launches its own 5G chip
    Scott Bicheno Written by Scott Bicheno 24 January 2019 @ 13:42
    Huawei Balong 5000
    Huawei doesn’t feel like waiting for chip companies to get their act together on 5G so it has decided to make one of its own.

    The Balong 5000 was launched in Beijing today. It supports all the previous generations of cellular technology as well as all the 5G frequencies. Huawei says it can deliver 4.6 Gbps at sub-6 Ghz and 6.5 Gbps over millimeter wave. It also claims to be the first chip to support both standalone and non-standalone 5G architectures and the first to support V2X communications.

    “The Balong 5000 will open up a whole new world to consumers,” said Richard Yu, CEO of Huawei’s Consumer Business Group. “It will enable everything to sense, and will provide the high-speed connections needed for pervasive intelligence.”

    Huawei also launched the 5G CPR Pro, a 5G router that uses wifi 6 technology to claim speeds of almost 5 Gbps. “Powered by the Balong 5000, the Huawei 5G CPE Pro enables consumers to access networks more freely and enjoy an incredibly fast connected experience,” said Yu. “Huawei has an integrated set of capabilities across chips, devices, cloud services, and networks. Building on these strengths, as the leader of the 5G era, we will bring an inspired, intelligent experience to global consumers in every aspect of their lives.”

    Not content with attacking the consumer market, Huawei also launched the Tiangang 5G base station chip. It too lays claim to having all the bells and whistles, including the ability to control 64 beamforming channels, enhanced computing capacity and greater power efficiency.

    “Huawei now has industry-leading capabilities to deliver end-to-end 5G, with simplified 5G networks and simplified operations & maintenance,” said said Ryan Ding, Huawei Executive Director of the Board and Carrier Business Group CEO. “We are leading the commercial rollout of 5G, and building a mature industry ecosystem.”

    The brain behind all these achievement, HiSilicon.
    https://www.androidauthority.com/huawei-hisilicon-852231/

  385. TT says:
    @tamo

    I worked with Korean, Japanese, Western people, and Chinese from mainland China/Twn/HK/Asean.

    Its true Korean men are the toughest, rather unpolished rough in nature like street fighter even for white collar executive. But haven’t seen any Korean really fight, except in Taekwondo which wasn’t as impressive as Aikido, MMA or Chinese martial arts with deliver direct solid hard impact.

    Whereas Japanese are mostly soft, more refined & good manner(pretentious), definitely not a fighter, but one can carefully sense deep inside they are still quite cold blood thirsty like WWII Imperial army. Weapons make their physical strength not critical for killing.

    Among Chinese, mainland China are the toughest. Those from northern part are even tougher, may be their harsh environment & above 1.8m built help. Even so, they commended Russians are truly tough even in their standard.

    So among all North Asians, i would rate Korean as toughest, Japs as more cruel-cold, Chinese as softest, probably their long Confucian civilization have already make them lost all their aggressiveness & fighting spirit. Even tough nomadic Mongol & Manchurian have assimilated into Hans culture and can hardly differentiate now.

    But Korean war has proven both Koreans & Chinese can be extremely tough in real war fighting. So are the diehard fearsome japs like Germans. But both Germans & Japs seem to be castrated by US after WWII.

    • Replies: @tamo
    , @tamo
  386. tamo says:
    @TT

    @ TT: Tae Ken Do heavily relies on kicking techniques. It’s overrated just like other North Eastern martial arts. I’m strictly a street fighter. I fight dirty. I DON’T THINK Chinese are soft at all. Just look at how the poorly armed Chinese volunteers in the Korean War beat the living shit out of far better armed and supplied American troops by pushing them all the way from the Yalu River back to the 38th parallel. In my opinion, northern Chinese males are extremely tough. Russians are overrated. The relatively poorly armed Chinese troops fought bravely against the Russian troops during the late 60s and early 70s in the border skirmishes. Also the Russian soldiers had hard time beating the fourth-rate Georgian troops in 2008. I think the softest males now in the North East Asia are Japanese. These young Japanese men are so different from the World War 2 Japanese soldiers who I think were the bravest, toughest, most savage, vicious MFs in the world. Again today’s Germans are very soft. They are not like the Wold War 2 Germans. Even the World War 2 Germans COULDN’T HOLD a candle to the World War 2 Japanese soldiers when it came to pure bravery, savagery, strict discipline. I really hope we Koreans, Chinese, Japanese get along better. But before that happens, Japanese MUST APOLOGIZE SINCERELY to Koreans and Chinese for their past misbehavior. That’s another story. Let’s not go there in this forum.

  387. tamo says:
    @TT

    Also I want you to read this. It was on Yahoo Answers: Who are the toughest people in the world?
    Hey, I live in Detroit Michigan. I just kinda wanna know who are the toughest people in fights and conflicts. My opinions is that the Russians are. What i’ve heard is that’s practically impossible to beat a Russian up in one-on-one fight, and they are braver than all other nations. What do u think?

    Al
    Best Answer: I am a combat veteran, and have served in war with military units from many countries. In my experience, the Korean is the most vicious, meanest, toughest, and sneakiest fighter in the world. In Vietnam the “ROK”(South Korean) soldiers were feared above all others because they showed no thought, no plan, and no mercy. They were sent to kill…and kill they did. Expertly, quickly, and without remorse. Somali soldiers are desparate, they are hungry, but they are undisciplined, untrained, and physically weak. Russians are very strong, agile, and impervious to physical attack. A somali will give up when out gunned, a Russian never will, and a ROK has already cut your throat. There are exceptions to every rule, but If I had to choose just one, based on my knowledge and experience, it’s the ROK who will get the job done. (I completely agree with the assessment).

    • Replies: @Erebus
  388. Erebus says:
    @tamo

    The S. Korea of 1970 was a very different S. Korea from today’s, and I suspect its people are likewise different. At that time, S. Korea was actually poorer than the North. I have no real idea of 1970 SK, but I see a lot of overweight, soft-looking S. Koreans when I walk around Seoul today.

    At any rate, in any likely conflict between major powers today having “…no thought, no plan, and no mercy.” is a recipe for defeat. No matter how tough you are, you’re not gonna beat a Kinzhal coming at you fired by a battle computer algorithm from 2000 km away. Where toughness still counts on the ground is in ensuring that the “thoughts and plans” are executed without concern for personal danger, at any personal cost. That is what so impressed the Syrians about Russian SFs against ISIS, and it went a long way to toughening up the SAA by the example they set.

    Then there’s the Chechens…

    • Replies: @tamo
  389. tamo says:
    @Erebus

    You will find fat, soft-looking people all over the world even in Vladivostok in the Russian Far East.

    You take your Russian SFs and Chechens. I will STILL take the South Korean SOF, light infantry, marine units.

    • Replies: @Erebus
  390. TT says:

    Why did West fail to dev 5G, and beginning to fall behind on so many other technologies?

    IMO – Greed. West public listed corps are capitalist owned, quarterly assessed, stock mkt sensitive. Their boards will only invest in quick profit segment with min commitment. CEO is assessed on qtrly stock price, influence by warstreet analyst glued on revenue/profit growth. 5G is huge long term investment, with slow ROI that few companies with deep pocket can afford.

    And US corps are notorious in legal entanglement on IPs. Quadcom will sued Intel….if anyone got upper hand with patents it tried to suppress others.

    Moreover CIA couldn’t help them espionage 5G technology from EU facing similar trouble, and HW likely guard its 5G carefully after US Prism hack into HW stealing entire data.

    So where have all West talents gone, esp those Chinese genius that used to power up Intel, AMD, Google, Apple, Broadcom, Quadcom, Cisco, AT&T…? Dry up. US 80% youth are shunting STEM courses. And Chinese top talents are now staying in China to make good money. H1B Indians are good at spaghetti programming to screw up projects, not in chip or system.

    Dysfunctional US gov are bickering for power with no long term plan, while continue to divert more scarce national development funds into fattening capitalist pockets & warmongers (7 wars currently still counting, with Venezuela, Cuba, Iran awaiting).

    So HW success don’t come from nowhere. Its employees ownership scheme with Ren ZF only holding 1%, could have all profits plough back into long term innovations & employees remuneration. It outstripped US investment by tens of $B. And it could attract China 1.4B best talents in lack of fierce competition.

    Also HW has a huge China mkt to test & guaranteed a biggest subscribers base, all under gov support to remove any obstacles including spectrum allocation.

    HW prestige in China is now like once Apple was, drawing all the best talents, but on steroid as its no Wall Street to answer.

    As HW CFO Meng in Qinghua recruitment speech said, if HW wish, it could monetize lot of money & profits. But its goal is for long term future, so it will plough all profits into innovations & future technology development. And anyone could prove his worth, there will be no pay bracket for him, whether he is new or without prestige qualification.

    China gov is also very focus in its priority to long term national development, allocating funds in where is essential, esp in infrastructures & strategic industries. Make in China 2025: semiconductor, telco, aerospace, AI, robotic, …

    So the world will see more such Chinese companies sprout out like HW, with unrivalled technology & resources. That will be a crossing line for complete tide change, growing out of true China technology prowess, not IP stealing that West keep squeaking to conceal its impotent with Viagra.

    If legendary Steve Job is alive, he might able to compete in smart phone, autonomous driving using Apple 100s of billions cash hoard. But look at how Apple decline after his death, crap after crap products destined for declination.

    Samsung is a bit similar to HW, but a giant conglomerate controlling 20% SK $1.1T economy. So it has deep pocket for long term investment without bother by share holders ROI, & capable in attracting all best SK talents.

    Its greatest advantage is unlimited West & Jp technology & mkt access as a US vassal, ie Samsung will oblige to CIA backdoor demand. So it will compete in some limited fields for a decade before Chinese developed its complete R&D environment to leapfrog the world entirely.

    SK is smaller than one China province after all. And its talents is not comparable to Chinese 1.4B & Japanese 140M, which is why it still struggling with rocket technology with Russian help & could not even figure out the 5G fighter plane design specs.

    As LKY once predicted: “China will out produce & out sell everyone.” But he forgotten to say, China will also out innovate the world as it did in its 5000 yrs history.

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  391. TT says:

    Winners: Europe won the 2G race and Japan led the 3G race. The U.S. led in 4G, resulting in $100 billion in GDP by 2016, CTIA said.

    “We won the race to 4G and that meant that the semiconductor, operating systems and app industries were all here,” she said. “All those benefits to the economy are going to be even greater in 5G but we have to make sure we don’t export it.”

    https://www.axios.com/china-leading-the-5g-race-102aaafa-138b-416a-a446-63f8ff0944cf.html

    4G provided US $100B GDP,
    5G is estimated to be of $500B.

    A ransom worth the kidnapped of HW CFO Meng by US-Canada gang, with all the shrieking of security threat to ban HW globally.

    Will US let EU (Nokia Ericsson) took the $500B prize in leading 5G? Your guess, with Pence alleging Germany car industry as National Threat to US in Munich security conference.

  392. tamo says:
    @TT

    I completely agree with your comment including your take on Samsung and SK’s trouble developing it’s own rocket technology. I want you to tell me how CISCO stacks up against HUAWEI. Yesterday, the CISCO ceo said his company was winning against HUAWEI. How is it possible? I thought HUAWEI was far ahead of CISCO in 5g technology. Or was the CISCO ceo bullshitting?

  393. Erebus says:
    @tamo

    You will find fat, soft-looking people all over the world…

    Well, just watching out-manned, out-gunned, beer-bellied greybeards fighting off the Ukrainian army back in 2014/15 in Donbass tells one there’s a difference between “fat” and “soft”.

    When I walk around Seoul, I see fat & soft, or just soft. When I walk around Moscow (never been to Grozny) I see beer bellies, but I don’t see much soft. If one takes 100 15-50 yr olds randomly from the phonebooks of the 2 cities and have them go at it, I’m not sure my money would be on the current crop of Koreans.

    Look, I’ll acknowledge that the S. Koreans impressed the Americans and Australians in VN, but you have to admit that’s a pretty low bar. History tells us that smart, well-equipped, well led tough men working to a plan beat stupid, poorly led and equipped ones without a plan almost every time, no matter how cut-throat the latter are. Unless you’re talking about bar room brawls, there’s normally no contest.

    BTW, it’s the Chinese SFs that have dominated the so-called SF Olympics held yearly in Jordan. The competition focusses on counter-terrorism, so it does skew the results to those nations that concern themselves with terrorism. Still, whodathunk it would be the Chinese who regularly place at the top of the competition.

  394. tamo says:

    My boy, I saw a lot of fat and sissy-looking Russians in Vladivostok. Beating disorganized and under-armed Ukrainian army ? WOW,I’m so impressed, LOL !!!! The “tough” Russian army had a hard time beating the FOURTH-RATE Georgian army in 2008. Oh yeah, I’m sooooo impressed with the “tough” Russians”. In a no-hold- bared street fight between Koreans and Russians, my money is on Koreans and I’ll even double down. SF Olympics? LOL !!!! Hey boy, that’s a GAME, NOT A REAL THING. I’ll take either Delta of the U.S. Army or SEAL TEAM6 that have a lot of ACTUAL SPECIAL OPERATIONS EXPERIENCES in many covert operations all over the world.

  395. paranoidgoy says: • Website
    @Tyrion 2

    Farm machinery of impressive size are already driving themselves accurately over the American landscape. The progression of 2G/3G/4G were simple upgrades to tower equipment like antennae, routers and switches. Higher density, (more lines per box) and additional frequencies licenced for mobile services were the drivers. Your phone most probably is capable of at least 3G down to GPRS and HSDPA connections, probably. Newer phones have more “channels” than older ones, and of course better screens and processing speed and so forth. None of Fourth Generation changed anything particular to the way you used the ‘Net.
    5G? Through the noise, I manage to gather two things only: First a vast increase in radiation of the population, with increased health and developmental problems. The second is the switch from Internet Protocol version 4 to version six, known as IPv6. Why is nobody talking about IPv6? It will be possible, with (from the main article of this thread) 10 centimetre precision, locate the exact electrical connection in your hand.
    Every connection of any type into a network, is called a Port, and ever since the advent of the Internet, every such port ever manufactured anywhere, carries a unique identifier, known as the MAC address, Media Access Control get it? You smart phone has at least four such ports; usb, cell phone tranceiver, bluetooth, wifi. Add NFD and suchlike, and how many exclusive, identifiable, actionable ports do you carry around with you? That MAC address is what the new internet addresses will look like. The reason 5G can handle billions of devices, is not because of wonderful technology, it is because IPv4 only has about 4 billion possible addresses, whereas IPv6 addresses can be individually assigned until every person on earth owns a million ports, and still there will be spare addresses.
    Sometimes, conspiracie theories are just a knee-jerk against feeling ignorant and ignored. Also, most of the telecoms equipment installed in the last ten years or more, are IPv6 capable. It is the radiation we should be worried about, in my humble but adamant opinion. You may find the following slightly entertaining:
    http://greenpets.co.za/index.php/en/50-greenpets-natural-happiness/natural-living/stories/180-metallic-inheritance

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