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IQ matters. And it doesn’t just matter for individuals—the IQ of your country is even more important than your own IQ when predicting your level of wealth. This obviously has massive implications when it comes to immigration, because intelligence differences exist between groups and so the kinds of groups admitted have a huge impact on the quality of life in that country. And the case for why this is so is ably made in Garett Jones’s Hive Mind: How Your Nation’s IQ Matters So Much More Than Your Own.

The highest IQ countries are on average eight times more prosperous than those with the lowest scores. The chart below from the book illustrates that point.

Jones (right) an economist at George Mason University, succeeds in explaining why this is the case. Relying on previous studies using laboratory experiments and other kinds of data, he shows that smarter groups of people are more cooperative, more patient, and more likely to choose rational economic policies through the political process. All of these facts have important economic implications.

Jones also discusses the “O-ring” theory of productivity, the idea developed by that groups are often only as strong as their weakest link. (The name comes from the 1986 Challenger disaster—the space shuttle exploded because one of the components, a single O-ring).

Imagine a company making vases. It takes two people to make a vase in one hour. If either worker drops the vase, it is ruined. Now imagine that a company has four workers, two of them high quality individuals (Hi) that never drop a vase, and the other two are low quality workers (Lo) that drop a vase 50 percent of the time. How should you split up the teams to maximize efficiency?

If you put a Hi and a Lo together, and you would get two teams that have a 50% success rate each, and make an average of one vase per hour. But if you pair Hi with Hi and Lo with Lo, you will end up with an average of 1.25 vases per hour, based on the success rate of the Hi team of 100% and the success rate of the Lo team of 25%.

In an O-ring industry, society as a whole gains when the highest quality workers are on the same team. Societies with lower IQs are those where a higher percentage of the workforce is likely to be of low quality, which implies that many of their industries will be exceedingly inefficient.

The O-ring is one of those economic theories that, once you understand it, you start to see everywhere. When considering how to combat crime, society must take into account the capabilities and intentions of its most dangerous members. Public schools dedicated to educating all children must dumb the curriculum down so as not to leave behind the dullest students. And, as can be seen today in many universities, the level of discourse of a community is sometimes held hostage to the most disruptive, and often mentally ill, activists.

The worst people have a wildly disproportionate effect on the overall standard of living. The lower a country’s average IQ, the more people you have on the extreme left end of the bell curve. Furthermore, Jones argues that higher IQ groups, by having individuals that are better behaved, create conformity norms that create positive externalities for the rest of society.

Jones explicitly tells us that he has not set out to explain why some nations have higher IQs than others. The closest he comes toeing the PC line is when at several points in the book he expresses his hope that eventually all nations of the world will raise their IQs to the level of East Asia. But considering that it would have been much less risky for Jones to pretend that there are good reasons to believe that IQ differences between groups are completely environmental in origin, he deserves credit for not explicitly doing so.

In fact, the way he lays out the evidence should lead most rational observers to the conclusion that genetics are a major driving force behind group differences in IQ. The discussion on sub-Sahara Africa is particularly illuminating. Richard Lynn and others have argued that the average IQ o f that region of the world is about 67. Although critics contend that Lynn relies on flawed studies, when Dutch psychologist Jelte Wicherts and his coauthors went back and eliminated the studies that they thought were of low quality, they came up with an estimate of 82.[ A systematic literature review of the average IQ of sub-Saharan Africans. Intelligence, 2010 PDF] As Jones points out, that means that at best the average sub-Saharan African is at about the 12th percentile relative to Western populations.

While it may seem reasonable to think that poverty is the reason that African IQs are so low, Jones notes that already by the 1960s scholars were struck that residents of Taiwan and Hong Kong, despite living in extreme poverty, had IQ scores that were higher than the European average. China remains poor by Western standards, yet outscores all non-East Asian countries that are at a similar level of development. The hypothesis that wealth is the primary reason behind group differences cannot account for these facts, while a theory that genetics cause such disparities can.

The implications of all this for the immigration debate seem pretty straightforward. Yet after about 160 pages arguing that low IQ individuals make their society worse, Jones ends his book by calling for more immigration from poorer countries! His argument: moving people to richer countries is a surefire way to improve their income. To be fair, Jones does also go on to say that in the long run this can degrade the institutions of the receiving countries, but he appears to on balance think that wide scale immigration to the developed world does more good than harm.

So do immigration patriots have any ways to answer this kind of case for immigration, made in universalist terms? After all, many who examine Jones’s evidence will arrive at the opposite of his conclusions.

And indeed, it seems even Jones may have changed his mind in the time since he wrote the book. He is now arguing that if immigrants cause the slightest decline in the institutions of First World countries and if this reduces research and innovation, that alone may pretty quickly wipe out the gains to the immigrants themselves. [Are the global benefits of open borders a fallacy of composition? Three examples, by Garett Jones June 2017]

Jones’ Twitter feed also suggests much greater openness towards restrictionist arguments than his book does, for example , this:

The answer seems obvious: Humanity owes practically all of its scientific, moral, and technological progress to a small fraction of countries. While large scale immigration from poorer to richer states may bring benefits that are real to the migrants themselves, it threatens to disrupt the social arrangements that have over the last century more than doubled human life expectancy and created a level of peace and prosperity that would have been unimaginable a few generations ago.

Even those who believe that it is immoral to prioritize the well-being of one’s fellow citizens should consider how mass migration might threaten the values and progress that all reasonable people hold dear.

Jeremy Cooper is a specialist in international politics and an observer of global trends. Follow him at @NeoNeoLiberal.

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  1. I’ve never heard anyone say so, probably because it’s taboo, but this could be the answer to the so-called Fermi Paradox.

    Sapient beings spread outward from their point of origin and experience natural selection based on their environment and culture. Cold selection/ heat selection, whatever the dynamic is. This causes IQ to rise in one group, or civilized behaviors to be selected for.

    Cities rise. Metal is worked, the wheel invented. The pace of innovation seems to increase and be unstoppable. Easy communications and transportation, plus differential reproductive rates cause the clines to collapse. R&D is eaten by racial spoils, O-ring affirmative action, welfare, and crime. A vicious cycle develops, increasing the cost for the higher IQ group to have children. The children that they do have are forced to feel shame, instead of inspiration in their past.

    There’s just enough left to prevent a total collapse and reset, but not enough to break free of the stagnation.

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    • Replies: @Sean
    Interesting. Everyone else I have read is certain that self extermination by war and selfishness must be the explanation for the Fermi Paradox (ie that we are the only more or less currently existing technological form of intelligence in the Universe).

    I am not certain I would describe our own civilization as „highly advanced.“ But yes, we seem to follow the example of many previous civilizations as analyzed by people such as the ancient Greek historian Polybius, the medieval Arab one Ibn Khaldun, and twentieth-century philosopehrs such as Oswald Spengler and Arnold Toynbee. The main factors are always the same. To wit, excessive material wealth that leads to less severe mores, both mental and physical; growing gaps between rich and poor (the former, says the Roman poet Lucan, will do anything to feed their clients and retain their allegiance; the latter will do anything to stay alive); the growing unwillingness to do military service and a preference for mercenaries, first native and then, as manpower dries up, foreign as well; and a government that is heavily influenced by women, hence oriented towards security, luxury and comfort. Others are political over-centralization, accompanied by excessive bureaucratization; a shift of emphasis from “hard” towards “soft” power; and “imperial overstretch.” The last of these terms refers to the way in which defense commitments tend to outgrow available resources. The outcome is budget deficits, inflation, and devaluation, and so on in a vicious cycle that leads nowhere but down.
    But yes, we seem to follow the example of many previous civilizations as analyzed by people such as the ancient Greek historian Polybius, the medieval Arab one Ibn Khaldun, and twentieth-century philosopehrs such as Oswald Spengler and Arnold Toynbee. The main factors are always the same. To wit, excessive material wealth that leads to less severe mores, both mental and physical; growing gaps between rich and poor (the former, says the Roman poet Lucan, will do anything to feed their clients and retain their allegiance; the latter will do anything to stay alive); the growing unwillingness to do military service and a preference for mercenaries, first native and then, as manpower dries up, foreign as well; and a government that is heavily influenced by women, hence oriented towards security, luxury and comfort. Others are political over-centralization, accompanied by excessive bureaucratization; a shift of emphasis from “hard” towards “soft” power; and “imperial overstretch.” The last of these terms refers to the way in which defense commitments tend to outgrow available resources. The outcome is budget deficits, inflation, and devaluation, and so on in a vicious cycle that leads nowhere but down.http://www.martin-van-creveld.com/
     
    Humanist moral discoveries may indeed be advancing apace with technology. Some ideas now widely considered the very essence of morality in the advanced countries of the West were undreamt of a hundred years ago. I suppose things tend to accelerate to a point where they overheat and have paradoxical effects. The advances of ethics and technology may feed into one another.
    , @Mike Street Station

    R&D is eaten by racial spoils, O-ring affirmative action, welfare, and crime. A vicious cycle develops, increasing the cost for the higher IQ group to have children. The children that they do have are forced to feel shame, instead of inspiration in their past.
     
    I anxiously await the science fiction novel in which space explorers come across a dead world that investigation shows it social justice warriored itself to death. And if it's for a Twilight Zone reboot, the twist is that the dead world is Earth.
    , @RaceRealist88
    Cold winter has no bearing on intelligence.
    , @LauraMR
    The most "civilized" are also the most murderous. Just count the bodies.

    That little fun fact aside, it is evident that most individuals have no comprehension whatsoever where their wealth (or lack of) comes from. So? Nothing to do with "collective" IQ... or "collective" height, for that matter.

    This obsession over (flattering) communal attributes simply reveals the deeply rooted psychological problems of certain individuals. No more.
    , @Anatoly Karlin

    There’s just enough left to prevent a total collapse and reset, but not enough to break free of the stagnation.
     
    Sort of like the Age of Malthusian Industrialism.

    However, surely when global civilization reaches the carrying capacity of the industrial economy with an average IQ of ~85, Clarke-Unz selection processes will resume for intelligence, just as they did in pre-industrial societies like England and Qing China.
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  2. In his book Exodus development economist Paul Collier notes that when it comes to whether the host population (non immigrants) in the host counties are made more or less prosperous by immigration “economists think that it is invalid even to pose the question, let alone to try to answer it”.

    Economists operate with a global utility perspective and are fascinated by the gain in productivity of third worlders moving to the West, but when using national economy analysis the outcome is believed to be positive for the host economy. Also, effect on third world counties of their most intelligent people migrating is not believed to be bad. Collier disagrees, but he still does not believe intelegence and achivement are hereditary in a DNA sense.

    Read this please

    http://www.molecularecologist.com/2017/07/nprs-muddled-take-on-scientific-racism-and-direct-to-consumer-genetics/ the post, in which biological anthropologist Barbara King reviews the new book Is Science Racist by anthropologist Jonathan Marks, starts off with a premise that took me aback:
    “If you espouse creationist ideas in science [Marks writes] you are branded as an ideologue… But if you espouse racist ideas in science, that’s not quite so bad. People might look at you a little askance, but as a racist you can coexist in science alongside them, which you couldn’t do if you were a creationist. Science is racist when it permits scientists who advance racist ideas to exist and to thrive institutionally.” This is a strong set of claims, and Marks uses numerous examples to support them. For example, a 2014 book by science writer Nicholas Wade used genes and race to explain, as Michael Balter put it in Science magazine, “why some people live in tribal societies and some in advanced civilizations, why African-Americans are allegedly more violent than whites, and why the Chinese may be good at business.”
    [T]he first example of racist science is Nicholas Wade, who is … not actually a scientist. And whose 2014 book inspired a panel of 139 evolutionary geneticists (many of them who did research Wade cited in the book) to sign a letter to the New York Times saying that Wade was wrong That was after the book racked up blistering takedowns, pans, criticism, denunciation, elaborate multi-part debunkings, and condemnations from people who actually work with the kind of data Wade cited — including right here on this very blog. This is science “permitting scientists who advance racist ideas to exist and to thrive institutionally”?

    (The other example the blog post gives of a racist scientist tolerated by the mainstream, psychologist Phillipe Rushton, I have literally only ever heard about in the context of condemnations of his theories on racial differences in intelligence.)

    The above post was made by someone who is a qualified scientist and understands more about genetics then anyone currently on Unz has forgotten. EG: -http://www.molecularecologist.com/2015/02/bigger-on-the-inside/

    He is not at all unusual, there is literally no active biological scientist who endorses a view of average potential intelligence differing between groups such as nations because it is genetically limited, . This post is very deceptive if it implies otherwise.

    Joe Sobran once wrote that “the hive-like moral conformity of the intellectuals is among the wonders of the modern world”. http://www.sobran.com/hive/hive.shtml

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    • Replies: @Jeremy Cooper

    He is not at all unusual, there is literally no active biological scientist who endorses a view of average potential intelligence differing between groups such as nations because it is genetically limited, .
     
    You have no idea what you're talking about, like all gene deniers. A poll of experts on IQ found that a plurality believed that the black-white IQ gap in the United States was genetic in origin.


    The role of genetics in the black-white IQ gap has been particularly controversial. The question regarding this in the survey asked "Which of the following best characterizes your opinion of the heritability of black-white differences in IQ?" Amongst the 661 returned questionnaires, 14% declined to answer the question, 24% voted that there was insufficient evidence to give an answer, 1% voted that the gap was "due entirely to genetic variation", 15% voted that it was "due entirely to environmental variation" and 45% voted that it was a "product of genetic and environmental variation". According to Snyderman and Rothman, this contrasts greatly with the coverage of these views as represented in the media, where the reader is led to draw the conclusion that "only a few maverick 'experts' support the view that genetic variation plays a significant role in individual or group difference, while the vast majority of experts believe that such differences are purely the result of environmental factors."[7]

    In their analysis of the survey results, Snyderman and Rothman state that the experts who described themselves as agreeing with the "controversial" partial-genetic views of Arthur Jensen did so only on the understanding that their identity would remain unknown in the published report. This was due, claim the authors, to fears of suffering the same kind of castigation experienced by Jensen for publicly expressing views on the correlation between race and intelligence which are privately held in the wider academic community.[8]
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_IQ_Controversy,_the_Media_and_Public_Policy_(book)

    There have been several decades of IQ research across almost all countries in the world, and they always show Asians on top, then whites, then others, then Africans, regardless of cultural background or language spoken. If that's not good enough for you, you're just burying your head in the sand.
    , @Colleen Pater
    "He is not at all unusual, there is literally no active biological scientist who endorses a view of average potential intelligence differing between groups such as nations because it is genetically limited"

    And yet it does demonstrably differ as is predicted by Darwin.
    So what does that say about today's "scientists"?

    Frankly any scientist who even uses the word racism racist etc as if there is no such thing or that it is a bad thing, ought to be drummed out of the academy for creationism or politicization of science.
    Its really extraordinary you can be such a stupid fellow to link us to that review where a pseudo scientist actually uses creationism as a metaphor and simile to deconstruct "racist science". Can you not see that the antithesis of "racist science" is creationism you moron. All men are not created equally, nature is not a progressive,and they as groups are evolved in sexual isolation, and selected for in those different environments, while hybridizing with entirely different non human hominids, and within these groups the sexes are further selected in sexually dimorphic pressure, and all this through the framework of evolution which single minded process is competition driven.

    You have to be a moron of epic proportion to even vaguely understand that and then make some appeal to authority that it doesnt matter. Or much much more likely you are actually acting as darwin predicted in your self interest and propagating thiiiis garbage in some way helps you survive or so you believe. Jew much comrade?
  3. @songbird
    I've never heard anyone say so, probably because it's taboo, but this could be the answer to the so-called Fermi Paradox.

    Sapient beings spread outward from their point of origin and experience natural selection based on their environment and culture. Cold selection/ heat selection, whatever the dynamic is. This causes IQ to rise in one group, or civilized behaviors to be selected for.

    Cities rise. Metal is worked, the wheel invented. The pace of innovation seems to increase and be unstoppable. Easy communications and transportation, plus differential reproductive rates cause the clines to collapse. R&D is eaten by racial spoils, O-ring affirmative action, welfare, and crime. A vicious cycle develops, increasing the cost for the higher IQ group to have children. The children that they do have are forced to feel shame, instead of inspiration in their past.

    There's just enough left to prevent a total collapse and reset, but not enough to break free of the stagnation.

    Interesting. Everyone else I have read is certain that self extermination by war and selfishness must be the explanation for the Fermi Paradox (ie that we are the only more or less currently existing technological form of intelligence in the Universe).

    I am not certain I would describe our own civilization as „highly advanced.“ But yes, we seem to follow the example of many previous civilizations as analyzed by people such as the ancient Greek historian Polybius, the medieval Arab one Ibn Khaldun, and twentieth-century philosopehrs such as Oswald Spengler and Arnold Toynbee. The main factors are always the same. To wit, excessive material wealth that leads to less severe mores, both mental and physical; growing gaps between rich and poor (the former, says the Roman poet Lucan, will do anything to feed their clients and retain their allegiance; the latter will do anything to stay alive); the growing unwillingness to do military service and a preference for mercenaries, first native and then, as manpower dries up, foreign as well; and a government that is heavily influenced by women, hence oriented towards security, luxury and comfort. Others are political over-centralization, accompanied by excessive bureaucratization; a shift of emphasis from “hard” towards “soft” power; and “imperial overstretch.” The last of these terms refers to the way in which defense commitments tend to outgrow available resources. The outcome is budget deficits, inflation, and devaluation, and so on in a vicious cycle that leads nowhere but down.
    But yes, we seem to follow the example of many previous civilizations as analyzed by people such as the ancient Greek historian Polybius, the medieval Arab one Ibn Khaldun, and twentieth-century philosopehrs such as Oswald Spengler and Arnold Toynbee. The main factors are always the same. To wit, excessive material wealth that leads to less severe mores, both mental and physical; growing gaps between rich and poor (the former, says the Roman poet Lucan, will do anything to feed their clients and retain their allegiance; the latter will do anything to stay alive); the growing unwillingness to do military service and a preference for mercenaries, first native and then, as manpower dries up, foreign as well; and a government that is heavily influenced by women, hence oriented towards security, luxury and comfort. Others are political over-centralization, accompanied by excessive bureaucratization; a shift of emphasis from “hard” towards “soft” power; and “imperial overstretch.” The last of these terms refers to the way in which defense commitments tend to outgrow available resources. The outcome is budget deficits, inflation, and devaluation, and so on in a vicious cycle that leads nowhere but down.http://www.martin-van-creveld.com/

    Humanist moral discoveries may indeed be advancing apace with technology. Some ideas now widely considered the very essence of morality in the advanced countries of the West were undreamt of a hundred years ago. I suppose things tend to accelerate to a point where they overheat and have paradoxical effects. The advances of ethics and technology may feed into one another.

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    • Replies: @songbird
    The differences between now and only a hundred and fifty years ago, must be quite extreme. Drowning puppies instead of having them neutered. Living on a farm and culling animals. Actually eating less in years of bad harvest. Likely, never travelling a distance of more than fifty miles in one's lifetime. Having a knowledge base and home which was more likely to be ancestral.

    I believe that most people are psychologcially wired in such a way that technology encourages a sense of utopianism. History is searched for excuses, rather than warnings. Differences, which might have seemed glaring in the days of sailing ships are more easily pardoned because we are more aware of our own progress.

    The main trouble is that our instincts weren't selectively adapted to the modern world. Welcoming a stranger to your hamlet is an entirely different proposition than welcoming millions. In the old days, you might have had to feed the stranger and potentially eat less. There were many checks on the formation of ideology. Now people self-select, not only their friends, but also their mates, and that magnifies it, whereas in the past one's acquaintances more likely served a dampening function.

  4. It could be a combination of things like climate, diet, and culture, rather than just the gene genie.

    For example, i know that when I am in a hot climate, I do nothing most of the time, and certainly would not be capable of inventing the wheel, even though my grandfather’s great-grandfather invented powered flight long before the Wright brothers who were second in flight. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Monck_Mason

    However his balloon driven by a clockwork powered propeller did not catch on as a major means of public transportation due to some minor issues. My maternal great grandfather, though, who originally rented out horses and buggies had the first motor bus in his part of England and became the owner of a regional bus company.

    People who do not get a childhood diet rich in nutrients are less likely to develop brains with high intelligence, and there will be some parts of the world that support the human brain better. Perhaps if we all ate rice-based meals, we would be brainier.

    Culture seems like an obvious one. I know plenty of Haitians and Dominicans who meet the American definition of ‘black’ or African American, and they are very different in their behavior from local African Americans, who have the misfortune to be born into a debased culture where saggy underwear is considered a mark of distinction. (It is a pity that Lemuel Gulliver of Swift’s Gullivers Travels never visited the land of the American Africans to give his take.)

    Language is also surely a factor. Some languages have large vocabularies and lend themselves to subtle distinctions in meaning, whereas others are very basic. Haitians suffer in this respect, for while Haitian Kreyol is a lovely language, the reason it is easy to learn is that it is very simple, whereas Chinese is notoriously difficult.

    It is quite likely the the process of learning Chinese and Japanese speech and written language has effects of developing the brain in a certain way. English is also complex and has a very deep literature, with many phrases from Chaucer, Shakespeare, and the King James Bible still in everyday use.

    Yes, there are many blacks of low intelligence, but one of the best ways of improving that is to make sure that expectant black mothers have good nutrition and prenatal care and lay off the alcohol and recreational drugs like cocaine. If the mother is overweight and diabetic in pregnancy, the unborn child is already off to a poor start. Premature birth babies are less likely to develop good academic brains, and so on. Babies whose parents are lacking in verbal skills and vocabulary are less likely to grow up with good verbal skills. And so on.

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    • Replies: @Cowboy Shaw
    Speaking of powered flight, the story of Richard Pearse in New Zealand is quite a curious and interesting one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Pearse
    , @Colleen Pater
    there is something about the internet that makes people who are intelligent enough to understand they havent a clue about a topic feel compelled to chime in, often they begin by bragging how little they know but that they are going to barge right in anyway. shut the fuck up you sound really stupid you have a dozen or more well known fallacies in your little speech, if you actually want to learn something you can click right through this website to Jaymans where you can find the thousands of scientists who can explain racist science to you.
  5. Higher IQ may do some good, but it’s the higher IQ nations that tend to be more ‘idealistic’ and suicidal. Look at this:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DE3Iq_FXkAIHloK.jpg

    Also, higher IQ nations tend to be more ‘leftist’.

    In the West, the most educated tend to be more on the ‘left’.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    You are confusing high iq with white people.

    White people do this to virtue signal, that is very different than true altruism and it is unique to whites only.
  6. @Sean
    Interesting. Everyone else I have read is certain that self extermination by war and selfishness must be the explanation for the Fermi Paradox (ie that we are the only more or less currently existing technological form of intelligence in the Universe).

    I am not certain I would describe our own civilization as „highly advanced.“ But yes, we seem to follow the example of many previous civilizations as analyzed by people such as the ancient Greek historian Polybius, the medieval Arab one Ibn Khaldun, and twentieth-century philosopehrs such as Oswald Spengler and Arnold Toynbee. The main factors are always the same. To wit, excessive material wealth that leads to less severe mores, both mental and physical; growing gaps between rich and poor (the former, says the Roman poet Lucan, will do anything to feed their clients and retain their allegiance; the latter will do anything to stay alive); the growing unwillingness to do military service and a preference for mercenaries, first native and then, as manpower dries up, foreign as well; and a government that is heavily influenced by women, hence oriented towards security, luxury and comfort. Others are political over-centralization, accompanied by excessive bureaucratization; a shift of emphasis from “hard” towards “soft” power; and “imperial overstretch.” The last of these terms refers to the way in which defense commitments tend to outgrow available resources. The outcome is budget deficits, inflation, and devaluation, and so on in a vicious cycle that leads nowhere but down.
    But yes, we seem to follow the example of many previous civilizations as analyzed by people such as the ancient Greek historian Polybius, the medieval Arab one Ibn Khaldun, and twentieth-century philosopehrs such as Oswald Spengler and Arnold Toynbee. The main factors are always the same. To wit, excessive material wealth that leads to less severe mores, both mental and physical; growing gaps between rich and poor (the former, says the Roman poet Lucan, will do anything to feed their clients and retain their allegiance; the latter will do anything to stay alive); the growing unwillingness to do military service and a preference for mercenaries, first native and then, as manpower dries up, foreign as well; and a government that is heavily influenced by women, hence oriented towards security, luxury and comfort. Others are political over-centralization, accompanied by excessive bureaucratization; a shift of emphasis from “hard” towards “soft” power; and “imperial overstretch.” The last of these terms refers to the way in which defense commitments tend to outgrow available resources. The outcome is budget deficits, inflation, and devaluation, and so on in a vicious cycle that leads nowhere but down.http://www.martin-van-creveld.com/
     
    Humanist moral discoveries may indeed be advancing apace with technology. Some ideas now widely considered the very essence of morality in the advanced countries of the West were undreamt of a hundred years ago. I suppose things tend to accelerate to a point where they overheat and have paradoxical effects. The advances of ethics and technology may feed into one another.

    The differences between now and only a hundred and fifty years ago, must be quite extreme. Drowning puppies instead of having them neutered. Living on a farm and culling animals. Actually eating less in years of bad harvest. Likely, never travelling a distance of more than fifty miles in one’s lifetime. Having a knowledge base and home which was more likely to be ancestral.

    I believe that most people are psychologcially wired in such a way that technology encourages a sense of utopianism. History is searched for excuses, rather than warnings. Differences, which might have seemed glaring in the days of sailing ships are more easily pardoned because we are more aware of our own progress.

    The main trouble is that our instincts weren’t selectively adapted to the modern world. Welcoming a stranger to your hamlet is an entirely different proposition than welcoming millions. In the old days, you might have had to feed the stranger and potentially eat less. There were many checks on the formation of ideology. Now people self-select, not only their friends, but also their mates, and that magnifies it, whereas in the past one’s acquaintances more likely served a dampening function.

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    • Replies: @Lily
    Songbird: Loved your comment! Love this website! Finally intelligent respectful people here!
    Have a great day!
  7. @Sean
    In his book Exodus development economist Paul Collier notes that when it comes to whether the host population (non immigrants) in the host counties are made more or less prosperous by immigration "economists think that it is invalid even to pose the question, let alone to try to answer it".

    Economists operate with a global utility perspective and are fascinated by the gain in productivity of third worlders moving to the West, but when using national economy analysis the outcome is believed to be positive for the host economy. Also, effect on third world counties of their most intelligent people migrating is not believed to be bad. Collier disagrees, but he still does not believe intelegence and achivement are hereditary in a DNA sense.

    Read this please

    http://www.molecularecologist.com/2017/07/nprs-muddled-take-on-scientific-racism-and-direct-to-consumer-genetics/ the post, in which biological anthropologist Barbara King reviews the new book Is Science Racist by anthropologist Jonathan Marks, starts off with a premise that took me aback:
    “If you espouse creationist ideas in science [Marks writes] you are branded as an ideologue… But if you espouse racist ideas in science, that’s not quite so bad. People might look at you a little askance, but as a racist you can coexist in science alongside them, which you couldn’t do if you were a creationist. Science is racist when it permits scientists who advance racist ideas to exist and to thrive institutionally.” This is a strong set of claims, and Marks uses numerous examples to support them. For example, a 2014 book by science writer Nicholas Wade used genes and race to explain, as Michael Balter put it in Science magazine, “why some people live in tribal societies and some in advanced civilizations, why African-Americans are allegedly more violent than whites, and why the Chinese may be good at business.”
    [T]he first example of racist science is Nicholas Wade, who is … not actually a scientist. And whose 2014 book inspired a panel of 139 evolutionary geneticists (many of them who did research Wade cited in the book) to sign a letter to the New York Times saying that Wade was wrong That was after the book racked up blistering takedowns, pans, criticism, denunciation, elaborate multi-part debunkings, and condemnations from people who actually work with the kind of data Wade cited — including right here on this very blog. This is science “permitting scientists who advance racist ideas to exist and to thrive institutionally”?

    (The other example the blog post gives of a racist scientist tolerated by the mainstream, psychologist Phillipe Rushton, I have literally only ever heard about in the context of condemnations of his theories on racial differences in intelligence.)
     
    The above post was made by someone who is a qualified scientist and understands more about genetics then anyone currently on Unz has forgotten. EG: -http://www.molecularecologist.com/2015/02/bigger-on-the-inside/

    He is not at all unusual, there is literally no active biological scientist who endorses a view of average potential intelligence differing between groups such as nations because it is genetically limited, . This post is very deceptive if it implies otherwise.

    Joe Sobran once wrote that "the hive-like moral conformity of the intellectuals is among the wonders of the modern world". http://www.sobran.com/hive/hive.shtml

    He is not at all unusual, there is literally no active biological scientist who endorses a view of average potential intelligence differing between groups such as nations because it is genetically limited, .

    You have no idea what you’re talking about, like all gene deniers. A poll of experts on IQ found that a plurality believed that the black-white IQ gap in the United States was genetic in origin.

    The role of genetics in the black-white IQ gap has been particularly controversial. The question regarding this in the survey asked “Which of the following best characterizes your opinion of the heritability of black-white differences in IQ?” Amongst the 661 returned questionnaires, 14% declined to answer the question, 24% voted that there was insufficient evidence to give an answer, 1% voted that the gap was “due entirely to genetic variation”, 15% voted that it was “due entirely to environmental variation” and 45% voted that it was a “product of genetic and environmental variation”. According to Snyderman and Rothman, this contrasts greatly with the coverage of these views as represented in the media, where the reader is led to draw the conclusion that “only a few maverick ‘experts’ support the view that genetic variation plays a significant role in individual or group difference, while the vast majority of experts believe that such differences are purely the result of environmental factors.”[7]

    In their analysis of the survey results, Snyderman and Rothman state that the experts who described themselves as agreeing with the “controversial” partial-genetic views of Arthur Jensen did so only on the understanding that their identity would remain unknown in the published report. This was due, claim the authors, to fears of suffering the same kind of castigation experienced by Jensen for publicly expressing views on the correlation between race and intelligence which are privately held in the wider academic community.[8]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_IQ_Controversy,_the_Media_and_Public_Policy_(book)

    There have been several decades of IQ research across almost all countries in the world, and they always show Asians on top, then whites, then others, then Africans, regardless of cultural background or language spoken. If that’s not good enough for you, you’re just burying your head in the sand.

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  8. Jones explicitly tells us that he has not set out to explain why some nations have higher IQs than others.

    Quite, and so his argument has nothing to say about what IQ the offspring of low IQ immigrants to the US will have.

    1% voted that the gap was “due entirely to genetic variation”,

    Let’s be clear, that is the layman’s understanding of what Jensen and Hans Eysenck were saying. One in a hundred in an anonymous survey conducted three decades ago! I will bet you anything that fewer than 1% of scientists qualified in the genetics field would give that answer now, even though there is far more knowledge of specific IQ genes differing between population groups now than there was in 1987.

    Even those who believe that it is immoral to prioritize the well-being of one’s fellow citizens should consider how mass migration might threaten the values and progress that all reasonable people hold dear.

    But the values are the problem, they are progressively diverging from the whole meaning and tenor of the scientific discoveries. Utopian equalitarianism now totally dominates scientific opinion in the West, although that is where all the scientific advances that prove environmental explainations for IQ equalitarianism are wrong have been made. I repeat, the advanced sectors of the West, including every single geneticist willing to go public, disagree with the idea that that average IQ differences between groups like nations are genetically fixed, and this rejection of hereditarian / genetic explanations is accelerating apace with scientific finding and discoveries consistent with hereditarian /genetic explanations being correct.

    Commenter Songbird above makes a observation that may explain the paradox

    I believe that most people are psychologcially wired in such a way that technology encourages a sense of utopianism

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    • Replies: @Anonymous

    Quite, and so his argument has nothing to say about what IQ the offspring of low IQ immigrants to the US will have.
     
    The US already knows the result. Many generations ago, the country imported large numbers of Africans and East Asians. Both groups were treated as dirt at the beginning but their trajectories couldn't have been more different. East Asians (high IQ) became successful and productive while the African stock (low IQ) is mired in poverty, crime and resentment.

    You're deliberately blinding yourself to the truth. Even a Medieval peasant could see that his pigs, dogs and children were inheriting their parents' traits.
    , @Citizen of a Silly Country

    I repeat, the advanced sectors of the West, including every single geneticist willing to go public, disagree with the idea that that average IQ differences between groups like nations are genetically fixed, and this rejection of hereditarian / genetic explanations is accelerating apace with scientific finding and discoveries consistent with hereditarian /genetic explanations being correct.
     
    No mystery here. We live in a quasi-theocracy where the belief in equality is akin to believing in God. Going against that religion threatens everything you value in life - family, relationships, employment, etc. Is it any wonder that people find any and every way to either convince themselves of the validity of this religion or, barring that, just keep their mouths shut.
  9. @Jonathan Mason
    It could be a combination of things like climate, diet, and culture, rather than just the gene genie.

    For example, i know that when I am in a hot climate, I do nothing most of the time, and certainly would not be capable of inventing the wheel, even though my grandfather's great-grandfather invented powered flight long before the Wright brothers who were second in flight. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Monck_Mason

    However his balloon driven by a clockwork powered propeller did not catch on as a major means of public transportation due to some minor issues. My maternal great grandfather, though, who originally rented out horses and buggies had the first motor bus in his part of England and became the owner of a regional bus company.

    People who do not get a childhood diet rich in nutrients are less likely to develop brains with high intelligence, and there will be some parts of the world that support the human brain better. Perhaps if we all ate rice-based meals, we would be brainier.

    Culture seems like an obvious one. I know plenty of Haitians and Dominicans who meet the American definition of 'black' or African American, and they are very different in their behavior from local African Americans, who have the misfortune to be born into a debased culture where saggy underwear is considered a mark of distinction. (It is a pity that Lemuel Gulliver of Swift's Gullivers Travels never visited the land of the American Africans to give his take.)

    Language is also surely a factor. Some languages have large vocabularies and lend themselves to subtle distinctions in meaning, whereas others are very basic. Haitians suffer in this respect, for while Haitian Kreyol is a lovely language, the reason it is easy to learn is that it is very simple, whereas Chinese is notoriously difficult.

    It is quite likely the the process of learning Chinese and Japanese speech and written language has effects of developing the brain in a certain way. English is also complex and has a very deep literature, with many phrases from Chaucer, Shakespeare, and the King James Bible still in everyday use.

    Yes, there are many blacks of low intelligence, but one of the best ways of improving that is to make sure that expectant black mothers have good nutrition and prenatal care and lay off the alcohol and recreational drugs like cocaine. If the mother is overweight and diabetic in pregnancy, the unborn child is already off to a poor start. Premature birth babies are less likely to develop good academic brains, and so on. Babies whose parents are lacking in verbal skills and vocabulary are less likely to grow up with good verbal skills. And so on.

    Speaking of powered flight, the story of Richard Pearse in New Zealand is quite a curious and interesting one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Pearse

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    ”Humanity owes practically all of its scientific, moral, and technological progress to a small fraction of countries.”

    Most major inventions and religions (morality) were invented in the countries not in that small fraction of countries you are referring to.

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  11. @songbird
    I've never heard anyone say so, probably because it's taboo, but this could be the answer to the so-called Fermi Paradox.

    Sapient beings spread outward from their point of origin and experience natural selection based on their environment and culture. Cold selection/ heat selection, whatever the dynamic is. This causes IQ to rise in one group, or civilized behaviors to be selected for.

    Cities rise. Metal is worked, the wheel invented. The pace of innovation seems to increase and be unstoppable. Easy communications and transportation, plus differential reproductive rates cause the clines to collapse. R&D is eaten by racial spoils, O-ring affirmative action, welfare, and crime. A vicious cycle develops, increasing the cost for the higher IQ group to have children. The children that they do have are forced to feel shame, instead of inspiration in their past.

    There's just enough left to prevent a total collapse and reset, but not enough to break free of the stagnation.

    R&D is eaten by racial spoils, O-ring affirmative action, welfare, and crime. A vicious cycle develops, increasing the cost for the higher IQ group to have children. The children that they do have are forced to feel shame, instead of inspiration in their past.

    I anxiously await the science fiction novel in which space explorers come across a dead world that investigation shows it social justice warriored itself to death. And if it’s for a Twilight Zone reboot, the twist is that the dead world is Earth.

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    • Replies: @songbird
    There are so many good stories to tell which would challenge the cultural status quo. It is unfortunate that so many of our storytellers are believers rather than iconoclasts.
  12. For some reason North Korea, which is racially the same with South Korea, is always missing from these national wealth/IQ “surveys”, probably because it would blow the whole argument out of the water.

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    • Replies: @songbird
    North Korea is an outlier, but of a special type. It had a puppet regime imposed upon it by an outside force. Its isolated terrain and IQ seem to have given it a kind of odd stabilty. But the regime was not created organically, just as none of the Warsaw Pact countries decided to become Communist, not even Czechoslovakia which had a relatively high level of atheism and which the Soviets thought was in the bag.

    A better counterexample would be China or the USSR, but those countries had certain hallmarks like low literacy, and Communism has always imposed itself by extreme violence. The USSR still managed to put the first satellite and man in space.

    Lenin, Stalin and Mao were probably clever. Smart ideologues are probably more dangerous than stupid ones. But average IQ of the populace matters. Elseways, it would perhaps be hard to explain why China is more developed than India, despite it being Communist and having less arable land. Though I suppose one could argue Deng, Hong Kong, or that more of its land is temperate.
    , @athEIst
    For some reason

    We could ask N, Korea for some such studies and accept the results or we could send in a team to do it.....
    , @Wizard of Oz
    Absurd. Nothing is blown out of the water but a very simple minded version of the connection between average IQ and prosperity.
  13. @G. Mayre
    For some reason North Korea, which is racially the same with South Korea, is always missing from these national wealth/IQ "surveys", probably because it would blow the whole argument out of the water.

    North Korea is an outlier, but of a special type. It had a puppet regime imposed upon it by an outside force. Its isolated terrain and IQ seem to have given it a kind of odd stabilty. But the regime was not created organically, just as none of the Warsaw Pact countries decided to become Communist, not even Czechoslovakia which had a relatively high level of atheism and which the Soviets thought was in the bag.

    A better counterexample would be China or the USSR, but those countries had certain hallmarks like low literacy, and Communism has always imposed itself by extreme violence. The USSR still managed to put the first satellite and man in space.

    Lenin, Stalin and Mao were probably clever. Smart ideologues are probably more dangerous than stupid ones. But average IQ of the populace matters. Elseways, it would perhaps be hard to explain why China is more developed than India, despite it being Communist and having less arable land. Though I suppose one could argue Deng, Hong Kong, or that more of its land is temperate.

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    • Replies: @Escher

    But average IQ of the populace matters. Elseways, it would perhaps be hard to explain why China is more developed than India, despite it being Communist and having less arable land.
     
    Average IQ and ethnic/cultural/linguistic uniformity both matter. India is like many nations (castes) sharing a common land area. It is very hard to get people to work together towards a common objective.
    , @Thirdeye
    The USSR was a highly literate society and its scientific and technical education became among the top in the world. The priority given to education was one thing Stalin got right. The Mao regime waged a war on China's educational system that came to a climax during the Cultural Revolution and it took decades for it to recover.
  14. @songbird
    I've never heard anyone say so, probably because it's taboo, but this could be the answer to the so-called Fermi Paradox.

    Sapient beings spread outward from their point of origin and experience natural selection based on their environment and culture. Cold selection/ heat selection, whatever the dynamic is. This causes IQ to rise in one group, or civilized behaviors to be selected for.

    Cities rise. Metal is worked, the wheel invented. The pace of innovation seems to increase and be unstoppable. Easy communications and transportation, plus differential reproductive rates cause the clines to collapse. R&D is eaten by racial spoils, O-ring affirmative action, welfare, and crime. A vicious cycle develops, increasing the cost for the higher IQ group to have children. The children that they do have are forced to feel shame, instead of inspiration in their past.

    There's just enough left to prevent a total collapse and reset, but not enough to break free of the stagnation.

    Cold winter has no bearing on intelligence.

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    • Replies: @songbird
    It's difficult to prove or disprove. I think the answer definitely isn't unifactorial. But I do believe cold would tend to improve IQ selectively, provided the right prerequisites were met, such as population size and economic complexity.

    Consider the year 1740, which was especially cold. Known as the "Great Frost." In Ireland it was called "The Great Slaughter." It is estimated 38% of the population died. It was probably just bad luck for most. But, still, it would have killed more who were poor than rich. And the rich would have tended to be slightly smarter. Bad harvests caused by cold used to occur every few decades. That would theoretically be enough to create a IQ gradient.

    I think there were many other factors as well. Horses, other draft animals and navigable rivers may have made people smarter by allowing greater economic complexity. Think of the Ashkenazi. If they had been in the pre-Columbian New World, there wouldn't have been any money for them to lend and trade would have been much more difficult.

    Heat may have had a limiting effect. Think about how high the mortality of mothers during childbirth used to be. Now imagine the mother had a malarial fever and the baby's head was just slightly bigger than average.
  15. @Mike Street Station

    R&D is eaten by racial spoils, O-ring affirmative action, welfare, and crime. A vicious cycle develops, increasing the cost for the higher IQ group to have children. The children that they do have are forced to feel shame, instead of inspiration in their past.
     
    I anxiously await the science fiction novel in which space explorers come across a dead world that investigation shows it social justice warriored itself to death. And if it's for a Twilight Zone reboot, the twist is that the dead world is Earth.

    There are so many good stories to tell which would challenge the cultural status quo. It is unfortunate that so many of our storytellers are believers rather than iconoclasts.

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    • Replies: @dc.sunsets

    There are so many good stories to tell which would challenge the cultural status quo. It is unfortunate that so many of our storytellers are believers rather than iconoclasts.
     
    Sounds good on paper, but "message fiction" is nearly always objectionable. It's tempting to write the next Nineteen Eighty-Four or Atlas Shrugged but the public appetite for such is amazingly small.
  16. @RaceRealist88
    Cold winter has no bearing on intelligence.

    It’s difficult to prove or disprove. I think the answer definitely isn’t unifactorial. But I do believe cold would tend to improve IQ selectively, provided the right prerequisites were met, such as population size and economic complexity.

    Consider the year 1740, which was especially cold. Known as the “Great Frost.” In Ireland it was called “The Great Slaughter.” It is estimated 38% of the population died. It was probably just bad luck for most. But, still, it would have killed more who were poor than rich. And the rich would have tended to be slightly smarter. Bad harvests caused by cold used to occur every few decades. That would theoretically be enough to create a IQ gradient.

    I think there were many other factors as well. Horses, other draft animals and navigable rivers may have made people smarter by allowing greater economic complexity. Think of the Ashkenazi. If they had been in the pre-Columbian New World, there wouldn’t have been any money for them to lend and trade would have been much more difficult.

    Heat may have had a limiting effect. Think about how high the mortality of mothers during childbirth used to be. Now imagine the mother had a malarial fever and the baby’s head was just slightly bigger than average.

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    • Replies: @Alden
    Mortality of mothers after childbirth was due to one reason, infection. It was called puerperal fever, a massive infection that killed the mothers a few days or even a couple weeks after birth.

    When a woman becomes pregnant her immune system goes way, way down so as to avoid rejection of the fetus. Birth causes rips and tears so bacteria gets in and can kill the mother. It takes a few days.

    Until Louis Pastuer discovered germs midwives and Drs didn't even wash their hands when delivering babies. Once they heard about germs and began washing their hands infection and puerperal fever and child birth deaths plummeted.

    A head slightly larger than usual? Nonsense, woman have given birth to 14 pd babies and survived. Come to think of it, giving birth while sick wouldn't be so bad. It would just add a bit more pain.

    Commenters should really, really comment about things with which they are familiar.
  17. @G. Mayre
    For some reason North Korea, which is racially the same with South Korea, is always missing from these national wealth/IQ "surveys", probably because it would blow the whole argument out of the water.

    For some reason

    We could ask N, Korea for some such studies and accept the results or we could send in a team to do it…..

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  18. @songbird
    North Korea is an outlier, but of a special type. It had a puppet regime imposed upon it by an outside force. Its isolated terrain and IQ seem to have given it a kind of odd stabilty. But the regime was not created organically, just as none of the Warsaw Pact countries decided to become Communist, not even Czechoslovakia which had a relatively high level of atheism and which the Soviets thought was in the bag.

    A better counterexample would be China or the USSR, but those countries had certain hallmarks like low literacy, and Communism has always imposed itself by extreme violence. The USSR still managed to put the first satellite and man in space.

    Lenin, Stalin and Mao were probably clever. Smart ideologues are probably more dangerous than stupid ones. But average IQ of the populace matters. Elseways, it would perhaps be hard to explain why China is more developed than India, despite it being Communist and having less arable land. Though I suppose one could argue Deng, Hong Kong, or that more of its land is temperate.

    But average IQ of the populace matters. Elseways, it would perhaps be hard to explain why China is more developed than India, despite it being Communist and having less arable land.

    Average IQ and ethnic/cultural/linguistic uniformity both matter. India is like many nations (castes) sharing a common land area. It is very hard to get people to work together towards a common objective.

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  19. You say:

    ‘China remains poor by Western standards, yet outscores all non-East Asian countries that are at a similar level of development.’

    Can you name a country in all non-east Asia that has level of development in line with China? China has 5 trillion dollars in reserve. Hell, the U.S. doesn’t have it. So, who do you expect to have it, Bangladesh? Don’t let the raw prejudice color your expertise!

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  20. This type of analysis appeals to simple minds. In reality, IQ is a very poor measure that has only a very loose correlation to economic growth. This is because :

    1) It is politically impossible to show women as less smart than men, so IQ tests were retrofitted to show women earning the same average score as men. This, despite the fact that 100% (perhaps 110% or more if you account for female obstruction) of all progress is done by men. Black men are more productive than white women, even today.

    Any ‘IQ by race’ bloviating assumes that white women produced half of all white innovation. Since white nationalists tend to be woman-worshipping feminists, they display their shortcomings thusly.

    2) How do you account for GDP growth? If a country grew by 3% last year, did its IQ grow by 3%? If India in 2017 has the same per capita prosperity as Poland in 1995 or Russia in 2002, then were Poland and Russia low-IQ just 22 and 15 years ago respectively? GDP growth is something these IQ nerdlings don’t think about, as it destroys their simple-minded analysis.

    In reality, India in 2017 is at the same prosperity level as :

    Ukraine in 2013
    China in 2007
    Russia in 2002
    Poland in 1995
    South Korea in 1990

    Within thousand of years of human historical record, being 4-27 years behind supposedly high-IQ countries is not evidence of some vast immutable difference.

    Similarly, Mexico of 2017 is about where France was in 1980 and where Spain was in 1990…. You get the idea.

    IQ as relates to GDP is only useful insofar as being one more indicator to explain the totality of black failure. Outside of blacks, it has limited use..

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    • Replies: @neutral

    Since white nationalists tend to be woman-worshipping feminists, they display their shortcomings thusly
     
    Who, give names, this is the first time anybody has accused of white nationalists being "woman-worshipping feminists". The difference between male and female might be interesting, but its not as important as racial differences, no society can exist without male and female, however societies can very clearly exist without having to import hordes of inferior races.

    Likewise, I am aware of exactly nobody who believes in IQ to be exactly correlated to GDP. Arabs are not known for being the brightest people, but there are some Arab states that ended up with lots of easy to extract oil. Of course the environment and resources also matter, but to say that they are the only thing that matters is idiotic. Nobody would think it controversial if they said some company full of smart people would be doing better than one full of stupid people, however when it comes to countries this is the ultimate taboo.

    As for India, you can find articles here at Unz that discuss India and IQ. To summarize, India has one of the biggest internal differences of IQ, it has some of the dumbest and also some very smart people. Its massive diversity of ethnic groups is why it ended up with a caste system, its sizeable population means it can produce a significant amount of people that can work on high end productive jobs, it however will never become a Japan because the huge number of low IQ people will always act as a drag on India, now matter how much the higher IQ Indian try to isolate themselves.

    , @Anonymous
    You must not have ever been to India.

    India is the most backwards and savage place I have ever been to which is reflected in the iq score of 82. People there haven't even mastered basic hygiene such as defacating in toilets.

    If you traveled to any of the countries you listed during those time periods you would still think they were better off than modern day India.

    GDP cannot reflect IQ perfectly. Just think if Sub-Saharan Africa struck oil. Their GDP would go up immensely.

    But GDP is a good proxy in general, as most people do not have an easy way to generate economic activity without using their intelligence to create wealth.
    , @utu
    This type of analysis appeals to simple minds.

    Because it is done for propaganda reasons and has not much to do with any science. Richard Lynn is propagandists not a scientist.
    , @Alden
    IQ and technology by race assumesWhite women invented half the achievements of the White race?

    You are out of your mind. Even the most fervent feminazis don't claim that. Except for Mme. Curie, Watson's assistant and Mrs Butterick, no one claims White woman are credited with half the accomplishments of the White race.

    Like your other comments, this one doesn't make sense.
  21. Whites got Hive Mind, Blacks got Jive Mind, and Homos got Pride on their Mind.

    Maybe not such a good thing for society?

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    @Sean

    Jones explicitly tells us that he has not set out to explain why some nations have higher IQs than others.
     
    Quite, and so his argument has nothing to say about what IQ the offspring of low IQ immigrants to the US will have.

    1% voted that the gap was “due entirely to genetic variation”,
     
    Let's be clear, that is the layman's understanding of what Jensen and Hans Eysenck were saying. One in a hundred in an anonymous survey conducted three decades ago! I will bet you anything that fewer than 1% of scientists qualified in the genetics field would give that answer now, even though there is far more knowledge of specific IQ genes differing between population groups now than there was in 1987.

    Even those who believe that it is immoral to prioritize the well-being of one’s fellow citizens should consider how mass migration might threaten the values and progress that all reasonable people hold dear.
     

    But the values are the problem, they are progressively diverging from the whole meaning and tenor of the scientific discoveries. Utopian equalitarianism now totally dominates scientific opinion in the West, although that is where all the scientific advances that prove environmental explainations for IQ equalitarianism are wrong have been made. I repeat, the advanced sectors of the West, including every single geneticist willing to go public, disagree with the idea that that average IQ differences between groups like nations are genetically fixed, and this rejection of hereditarian / genetic explanations is accelerating apace with scientific finding and discoveries consistent with hereditarian /genetic explanations being correct.

    Commenter Songbird above makes a observation that may explain the paradox


    I believe that most people are psychologcially wired in such a way that technology encourages a sense of utopianism
     

    Quite, and so his argument has nothing to say about what IQ the offspring of low IQ immigrants to the US will have.

    The US already knows the result. Many generations ago, the country imported large numbers of Africans and East Asians. Both groups were treated as dirt at the beginning but their trajectories couldn’t have been more different. East Asians (high IQ) became successful and productive while the African stock (low IQ) is mired in poverty, crime and resentment.

    You’re deliberately blinding yourself to the truth. Even a Medieval peasant could see that his pigs, dogs and children were inheriting their parents’ traits.

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    • Replies: @Alden
    The medieval peasants knew a lot more about heredity than our greatest idiot intellectuals do today.
  23. Few people here read german, I suppose.

    http://www.achgut.com/artikel/der_sommer_der_blinden

    Yet is may be interesting to open the link, the article refers to some eight articles in the german press about criminality by immigrants, sexual assaults, knife fights, and attacks on police.
    Immigrants disrupt german life.
    That they are hardly integrated into german life is quite clear, lack of education, language problems, cultural differences.

    Macron denies that french culture exists, Merkel says there are no Germans, ‘just those who were here for a long time and those who are here shorter’.
    Yet the KLM Air France cooperation fails on cultural differences, French see Dutch as impolite assholes, Dutch see French as difficult people who want to strike all the time.

    This cultural difference is between two western European peoples, what does one think cultural differences are between people from W European countries and those from the ME and Africa ?

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  24. And what did the intervention and bombing, exploitation, dislocation and playing one group of people of against another do for the people in third world countries invaded by the West and indeed empire?
    There is an old biblical saying “We reap what we sow”

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    • Replies: @El Dato
    Isn't that the truth.

    "Mission accomplished" several times over kills your nation.
    , @Thirdeye
    Less than you might think. China go raped as hard as India and Africa by European colonizers, then by their own warlords, then by the Japanese, then by the depredations of the Mao regime. But their population had what it took - cultural, genetic, whatever - to be resilient and build a high-functioning, modern nation within a couple of generations. Sub-Saharan Africa during the postcolonial era descended into the chaos of tribal rivalry it was during the precolonial era and shows little if any sign of coming out of it. India may be getting wealthier, but the legacy of the caste system is still barbaric and a drag on their ability to form a civil nation. The one area I can think of that supports your thesis is the Levant, the learned center and flower of Arabic culture that, thanks in large part to the west, has had its physical wealth destroyed, is under assault from the barbaric Wahhabism of the Arabian Peninsula, and will be dealing with the consequences for at least a generation.
  25. @Thomm
    This type of analysis appeals to simple minds. In reality, IQ is a very poor measure that has only a very loose correlation to economic growth. This is because :

    1) It is politically impossible to show women as less smart than men, so IQ tests were retrofitted to show women earning the same average score as men. This, despite the fact that 100% (perhaps 110% or more if you account for female obstruction) of all progress is done by men. Black men are more productive than white women, even today.

    Any 'IQ by race' bloviating assumes that white women produced half of all white innovation. Since white nationalists tend to be woman-worshipping feminists, they display their shortcomings thusly.

    2) How do you account for GDP growth? If a country grew by 3% last year, did its IQ grow by 3%? If India in 2017 has the same per capita prosperity as Poland in 1995 or Russia in 2002, then were Poland and Russia low-IQ just 22 and 15 years ago respectively? GDP growth is something these IQ nerdlings don't think about, as it destroys their simple-minded analysis.

    In reality, India in 2017 is at the same prosperity level as :

    Ukraine in 2013
    China in 2007
    Russia in 2002
    Poland in 1995
    South Korea in 1990

    Within thousand of years of human historical record, being 4-27 years behind supposedly high-IQ countries is not evidence of some vast immutable difference.

    Similarly, Mexico of 2017 is about where France was in 1980 and where Spain was in 1990.... You get the idea.

    IQ as relates to GDP is only useful insofar as being one more indicator to explain the totality of black failure. Outside of blacks, it has limited use..

    Since white nationalists tend to be woman-worshipping feminists, they display their shortcomings thusly

    Who, give names, this is the first time anybody has accused of white nationalists being “woman-worshipping feminists”. The difference between male and female might be interesting, but its not as important as racial differences, no society can exist without male and female, however societies can very clearly exist without having to import hordes of inferior races.

    Likewise, I am aware of exactly nobody who believes in IQ to be exactly correlated to GDP. Arabs are not known for being the brightest people, but there are some Arab states that ended up with lots of easy to extract oil. Of course the environment and resources also matter, but to say that they are the only thing that matters is idiotic. Nobody would think it controversial if they said some company full of smart people would be doing better than one full of stupid people, however when it comes to countries this is the ultimate taboo.

    As for India, you can find articles here at Unz that discuss India and IQ. To summarize, India has one of the biggest internal differences of IQ, it has some of the dumbest and also some very smart people. Its massive diversity of ethnic groups is why it ended up with a caste system, its sizeable population means it can produce a significant amount of people that can work on high end productive jobs, it however will never become a Japan because the huge number of low IQ people will always act as a drag on India, now matter how much the higher IQ Indian try to isolate themselves.

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  26. @slorter
    And what did the intervention and bombing, exploitation, dislocation and playing one group of people of against another do for the people in third world countries invaded by the West and indeed empire?
    There is an old biblical saying "We reap what we sow"

    Isn’t that the truth.

    “Mission accomplished” several times over kills your nation.

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  27. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    Immigration of poor, unskilled immigrants from dysfunctional cultures is a bad idea. I mean, immigration into the USA. And a bad idea for US citizens.

    I think we are seeing that culture is more than a ‘construct’. And tends to be highly resistant to change.

    Inviting stupid people into your country will ruin it.

    Inviting people from a dysfunctional culture will ruin it.

    Tolerating the development of more highly dysfunctional culture by citizens with low cognitive abilities will ruin it. Rap music or more specifically, the Trap variant.

    The obsession of untangling race and culture in outcomes is besides the point.

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  28. @songbird
    I've never heard anyone say so, probably because it's taboo, but this could be the answer to the so-called Fermi Paradox.

    Sapient beings spread outward from their point of origin and experience natural selection based on their environment and culture. Cold selection/ heat selection, whatever the dynamic is. This causes IQ to rise in one group, or civilized behaviors to be selected for.

    Cities rise. Metal is worked, the wheel invented. The pace of innovation seems to increase and be unstoppable. Easy communications and transportation, plus differential reproductive rates cause the clines to collapse. R&D is eaten by racial spoils, O-ring affirmative action, welfare, and crime. A vicious cycle develops, increasing the cost for the higher IQ group to have children. The children that they do have are forced to feel shame, instead of inspiration in their past.

    There's just enough left to prevent a total collapse and reset, but not enough to break free of the stagnation.

    The most “civilized” are also the most murderous. Just count the bodies.

    That little fun fact aside, it is evident that most individuals have no comprehension whatsoever where their wealth (or lack of) comes from. So? Nothing to do with “collective” IQ… or “collective” height, for that matter.

    This obsession over (flattering) communal attributes simply reveals the deeply rooted psychological problems of certain individuals. No more.

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    • Replies: @songbird
    Tribal-level warfare has a much higher kill percentage.
    , @Negrolphin Pool
    Wealth doesn't come from applied cognitive prowess? This is certainly an Earth-shattering revelation. Where do you suggest it comes from? Why are native Brazilian primitives less wealthy than the Swiss? It doesn't have anything to do with the invention and administration of complex systems and social arrangements?
  29. @songbird
    I've never heard anyone say so, probably because it's taboo, but this could be the answer to the so-called Fermi Paradox.

    Sapient beings spread outward from their point of origin and experience natural selection based on their environment and culture. Cold selection/ heat selection, whatever the dynamic is. This causes IQ to rise in one group, or civilized behaviors to be selected for.

    Cities rise. Metal is worked, the wheel invented. The pace of innovation seems to increase and be unstoppable. Easy communications and transportation, plus differential reproductive rates cause the clines to collapse. R&D is eaten by racial spoils, O-ring affirmative action, welfare, and crime. A vicious cycle develops, increasing the cost for the higher IQ group to have children. The children that they do have are forced to feel shame, instead of inspiration in their past.

    There's just enough left to prevent a total collapse and reset, but not enough to break free of the stagnation.

    There’s just enough left to prevent a total collapse and reset, but not enough to break free of the stagnation.

    Sort of like the Age of Malthusian Industrialism.

    However, surely when global civilization reaches the carrying capacity of the industrial economy with an average IQ of ~85, Clarke-Unz selection processes will resume for intelligence, just as they did in pre-industrial societies like England and Qing China.

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    • Replies: @songbird
    Good counterpoint.

    What I had in mind was the world being caught in some postindustrial rut, where there would still be some level of automation, but where the hard things, the true major technological advancements become impossible.

    Perhaps, that is too fantastical though. Maybe, on a longer time scale, there is only progress or retrogression.
  30. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Priss Factor
    Higher IQ may do some good, but it's the higher IQ nations that tend to be more 'idealistic' and suicidal. Look at this:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DE3Iq_FXkAIHloK.jpg

    Also, higher IQ nations tend to be more 'leftist'.

    In the West, the most educated tend to be more on the 'left'.

    You are confusing high iq with white people.

    White people do this to virtue signal, that is very different than true altruism and it is unique to whites only.

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  31. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Thomm
    This type of analysis appeals to simple minds. In reality, IQ is a very poor measure that has only a very loose correlation to economic growth. This is because :

    1) It is politically impossible to show women as less smart than men, so IQ tests were retrofitted to show women earning the same average score as men. This, despite the fact that 100% (perhaps 110% or more if you account for female obstruction) of all progress is done by men. Black men are more productive than white women, even today.

    Any 'IQ by race' bloviating assumes that white women produced half of all white innovation. Since white nationalists tend to be woman-worshipping feminists, they display their shortcomings thusly.

    2) How do you account for GDP growth? If a country grew by 3% last year, did its IQ grow by 3%? If India in 2017 has the same per capita prosperity as Poland in 1995 or Russia in 2002, then were Poland and Russia low-IQ just 22 and 15 years ago respectively? GDP growth is something these IQ nerdlings don't think about, as it destroys their simple-minded analysis.

    In reality, India in 2017 is at the same prosperity level as :

    Ukraine in 2013
    China in 2007
    Russia in 2002
    Poland in 1995
    South Korea in 1990

    Within thousand of years of human historical record, being 4-27 years behind supposedly high-IQ countries is not evidence of some vast immutable difference.

    Similarly, Mexico of 2017 is about where France was in 1980 and where Spain was in 1990.... You get the idea.

    IQ as relates to GDP is only useful insofar as being one more indicator to explain the totality of black failure. Outside of blacks, it has limited use..

    You must not have ever been to India.

    India is the most backwards and savage place I have ever been to which is reflected in the iq score of 82. People there haven’t even mastered basic hygiene such as defacating in toilets.

    If you traveled to any of the countries you listed during those time periods you would still think they were better off than modern day India.

    GDP cannot reflect IQ perfectly. Just think if Sub-Saharan Africa struck oil. Their GDP would go up immensely.

    But GDP is a good proxy in general, as most people do not have an easy way to generate economic activity without using their intelligence to create wealth.

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    • Replies: @Thomm
    False. India is relatively safe for its poverty level (much safer than, say, Mexico or Russia), with centuries of art, music, literature, and science. It reached the iron age long before Europe did.

    Indians in the US are the highest income group in the US, bar none. And no, they are not 'higher caste' Indians. Indians who emigrate to the US are specifically not wealthy in India. They are 'educated but poor'.

    Your knowledge of India is virtually zero.

    But even from your own point, India's GDP per capita is only 10-25 years behind many countries that you consider civilized. India and Ukraine are almost equal. Since India does not have natural resources like oil, the fact that their GDP is only a few years behind those countries I listed is evidence that this IQ-GDP correlation is highly flawed, and certainly does not account for economic growth.

    Again, if a country's economy grew by 3%, 4%, or 5% per capita in a single year, did its IQ increase? This is a question that appears too sophisticated for the typical white nationalist...

  32. anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    “Humanity owes practically all of its scientific, moral, and technological progress to a small fraction of countries.”

    The fact that some nations (namely western and East Asian) have done better than others is irrefutable.

    But, I have a problem with a certain term used above, because it simply flies against reality, so I will try and correct it;

    “Humanity owes practically all of its scientific, amoral, and technological progress to a small fraction of countries.”

    Now, that is much closer to the truth.

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    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
    Moral progress ?
    Japan offered capitulation in januari 1945 through Stalin.
    Yet the USA dropped two atomic bombs, because, as Oppenheimer testified in the USA sixties senate investigation on why 'because we wanted to test them in a real situation'.
    FDR provoked Pearl Harbour in 1941, more than sixty million deaths, Bush jr perpetrated Sept 11 in order to wage war in Afhanistan and Iraq, 'just' a million deaths, and cancers and birth deficiencies for five billion years through depleted uranium.
    Maybe it is nothing new, estimates on how many slaves died in the Roman emire each year go as high as ten million.
    Exterminated Indians in the Americas, estimates go higher than a hunderd million.
  33. There is no economic case for importing nonwhite immigrants…this includes Asian Legal Immigrants. Therefore, IQ test scores are completely irrelevant to this debate…for there is no debate:race-replacement immigration policy is rejected…and that’s all there is to it!!!

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    • Agree: Intelligent Dasein
    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein

    IQ test scores are completely irrelevant to this debate
     
    You're right, Blair. This whole IQ discussion is an increasingly otiose waste of everybody's time and is a sterling example of the soi-disant intellectuals of the Alt-Right's unique ability to miss the point.

    In order to see just how utterly useless this all is, all you have to do is look at the overlapping bell curves of IQ distribution between Whites and non-Whites in the USA and ask yourself a few salient questions.

    1. While the White mean is shifted further to the right than the non-White mean, the region of overlap comprises over 100 million lower IQ Whites who do not cause nearly the same amount of social disruption as Blacks and other minorities. Why does Western civilization work for these Whites but not for their non-White counterparts who share the same IQ, if IQ is the predominant factor?

    2. Phrased another way, why do the roughly 30% of minorities who exceed the mean White IQ not contribute nearly as much to our White societies as the 1 standard deviation White masses?

    3. Even minority IQ distributions have a right tail which fades off into the Goethe and Leibniz realms. It only takes a few such geniuses per century to drive advanced cultural development. But non-Whites, despite producing the requisite number of geniuses, did not produce the development. Why was that?

    The answer is because IQ has nothing to do with what we're really interested in here. These people are simply not the same as us. They have differently structured souls whose imperatives, priorities, and desires are alien to ours. We are not "equally yoked," to use a Biblical term; we cannot live together without conflict.

    Inevitably some HBD buffoon will now come along and accuse me of "ignoring science" and believing in "magic dirt" and otherwise taking nurture's side in the nature vs. nurture debate. I am doing no such thing. HBDers are too poor as philosophers to even know what words like science and nature and culture are supposed to mean. What I'm talking about is simultaneously more rigorous and implacable than your "nature," more universal and compassionate than your "nurture."

    I do not support any attempts to turn non-White, non-Western people into carriers of my tradition through education and acculturation, because I know it will not work. I regard all such attempts as illusory, as the proverbial putting lipstick on a pig. An educated Black man is still a creature whose inner life, whose feelings and dimensions and worldview, will never match that of White man. This isn't a result of "biology," for what we call biology is but another expression of it. It is a result of the differences in the informing souls that shape us biologically, psychologically, and culturally.
    , @Thomm
    There is no economic case for importing nonwhite immigrants…this includes Asian Legal Immigrants.

    False. There is a tremendous economic benefit to importing highly skilled immigrants (Indians and Chinese are the bulk of these).

    Since it takes $500K+ to educate a child through K-12 and a Bachelor's Degree in the US (not to mention the SJW crap that has replaced education in the US), when you get a readymade 22 y/o engineer coming to the US from Asia, that is effectively a subsidy of $500K imported into the US.

    50% of Silicon Valley's workforce is Indian and Chinese immigrants. Without them being here, the tech industry would be far more centered in Asia than now.

    Anyway, no one, certainly not Trump, is even remotely interested in curbing skilled, legal immigration.

  34. @songbird
    The differences between now and only a hundred and fifty years ago, must be quite extreme. Drowning puppies instead of having them neutered. Living on a farm and culling animals. Actually eating less in years of bad harvest. Likely, never travelling a distance of more than fifty miles in one's lifetime. Having a knowledge base and home which was more likely to be ancestral.

    I believe that most people are psychologcially wired in such a way that technology encourages a sense of utopianism. History is searched for excuses, rather than warnings. Differences, which might have seemed glaring in the days of sailing ships are more easily pardoned because we are more aware of our own progress.

    The main trouble is that our instincts weren't selectively adapted to the modern world. Welcoming a stranger to your hamlet is an entirely different proposition than welcoming millions. In the old days, you might have had to feed the stranger and potentially eat less. There were many checks on the formation of ideology. Now people self-select, not only their friends, but also their mates, and that magnifies it, whereas in the past one's acquaintances more likely served a dampening function.

    Songbird: Loved your comment! Love this website! Finally intelligent respectful people here!
    Have a great day!

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  35. @anonymous
    "Humanity owes practically all of its scientific, moral, and technological progress to a small fraction of countries."

    The fact that some nations (namely western and East Asian) have done better than others is irrefutable.

    But, I have a problem with a certain term used above, because it simply flies against reality, so I will try and correct it;

    "Humanity owes practically all of its scientific, amoral, and technological progress to a small fraction of countries."

    Now, that is much closer to the truth.

    Moral progress ?
    Japan offered capitulation in januari 1945 through Stalin.
    Yet the USA dropped two atomic bombs, because, as Oppenheimer testified in the USA sixties senate investigation on why ‘because we wanted to test them in a real situation’.
    FDR provoked Pearl Harbour in 1941, more than sixty million deaths, Bush jr perpetrated Sept 11 in order to wage war in Afhanistan and Iraq, ‘just’ a million deaths, and cancers and birth deficiencies for five billion years through depleted uranium.
    Maybe it is nothing new, estimates on how many slaves died in the Roman emire each year go as high as ten million.
    Exterminated Indians in the Americas, estimates go higher than a hunderd million.

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  36. @anon
    Immigration of poor, unskilled immigrants from dysfunctional cultures is a bad idea. I mean, immigration into the USA. And a bad idea for US citizens.

    I think we are seeing that culture is more than a 'construct'. And tends to be highly resistant to change.

    Inviting stupid people into your country will ruin it.

    Inviting people from a dysfunctional culture will ruin it.

    Tolerating the development of more highly dysfunctional culture by citizens with low cognitive abilities will ruin it. Rap music or more specifically, the Trap variant.

    The obsession of untangling race and culture in outcomes is besides the point.

    Into Europe is a good idea ?

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  37. @G. Mayre
    For some reason North Korea, which is racially the same with South Korea, is always missing from these national wealth/IQ "surveys", probably because it would blow the whole argument out of the water.

    Absurd. Nothing is blown out of the water but a very simple minded version of the connection between average IQ and prosperity.

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  38. @Anatoly Karlin

    There’s just enough left to prevent a total collapse and reset, but not enough to break free of the stagnation.
     
    Sort of like the Age of Malthusian Industrialism.

    However, surely when global civilization reaches the carrying capacity of the industrial economy with an average IQ of ~85, Clarke-Unz selection processes will resume for intelligence, just as they did in pre-industrial societies like England and Qing China.

    Good counterpoint.

    What I had in mind was the world being caught in some postindustrial rut, where there would still be some level of automation, but where the hard things, the true major technological advancements become impossible.

    Perhaps, that is too fantastical though. Maybe, on a longer time scale, there is only progress or retrogression.

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  39. @LauraMR
    The most "civilized" are also the most murderous. Just count the bodies.

    That little fun fact aside, it is evident that most individuals have no comprehension whatsoever where their wealth (or lack of) comes from. So? Nothing to do with "collective" IQ... or "collective" height, for that matter.

    This obsession over (flattering) communal attributes simply reveals the deeply rooted psychological problems of certain individuals. No more.

    Tribal-level warfare has a much higher kill percentage.

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    • Replies: @LauraMR
    You claim to be worried about 10 murders... but only in order to dismiss 10 million murders.

    Besides, how many nuclear tribal wars? Chemical warfare, at least? Unfortunately for the dead, you are deeply wrong. Mass extermination can only be carried out by a handful.

    Granted, I am not racist. I do not even believe "race" exists. So I have no doubt that any nation could commit the mass exterminations. My observation is simply that "could" is different than "has".
  40. @Lily
    Songbird: Loved your comment! Love this website! Finally intelligent respectful people here!
    Have a great day!

    Thanks!

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  41. Officer Mohamed Noor — who fired the shot that killed Damond — has so far refused to be interviewed.

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/officer-partner-fired-fatal-shot-moments-after-loud-sound/ar-BBEEDFJ?OCID=ansmsnnews11

    I was watching Tucker Carlson last night and he said the woman in her pajamas was shot three times

    three times!

    “How can a woman out in the street in her pajamas seeking assistance from police be shot like that? It is a shocking killing,” Turnbull said.

    what I’d like to know is just how many people out there are reading this story and quietly saying to themselves ‘good, racist whore got what she deserved’

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Mohamed Noor -> Somalian -> Avg. IQ: 68

    https://archive.is/O13Vz
  42. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Rurik

    Officer Mohamed Noor — who fired the shot that killed Damond — has so far refused to be interviewed.
     
    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/officer-partner-fired-fatal-shot-moments-after-loud-sound/ar-BBEEDFJ?OCID=ansmsnnews11

    I was watching Tucker Carlson last night and he said the woman in her pajamas was shot three times

    three times!

    "How can a woman out in the street in her pajamas seeking assistance from police be shot like that? It is a shocking killing," Turnbull said.
     
    what I'd like to know is just how many people out there are reading this story and quietly saying to themselves 'good, racist whore got what she deserved'

    Mohamed Noor -> Somalian -> Avg. IQ: 68

    https://archive.is/O13Vz

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    • Replies: @Rurik

    Mohamed Noor -> Somalian -> Avg. IQ: 68
     
    it isn't IQ that troubles me. I know of exceptionally nice and pleasant people who're less than geniuses, and geniuses who're execrable, loathsome individuals. Hillary Clinton or Loretta Lynch are quite intelligent for example.

    My issue isn't with intelligence per se, but rather the deep and abiding hatred that so many of these people have for Western civilization and its people.

    the men who tortured Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom to death weren't motivated to do so by being stupid, but rather because of their seething, visceral and psychotic hatred for white people.

    the Muslims that raped all those girls in Rotherham, England, didn't do so because they were stupid, but rather out of their hatred and contempt for the British, because they were white, British girls. (they never touched girls from their own communities)

    Western civilization has lots of dullards who make fine neighbors, because in spite of their lackluster IQ, they have no hatred in their hearts for white people. But for many, many non-whites, the hate that they have for white people is all-consuming and existential.

    If Mohamed Noor shot a white women in her pajamas who was (obviously) no threat, three times- I don't believe he did so because he was stupid, but rather because of his congenital hatred of the white "racists" he's been taught to hate his entire life, as evil and racist and the cause of all his and his communities problems- got the better of him, and he listened to that voice of his blood, and killed an eternal oppressor.

    and, I believe that there are billions of people on this planet that are sympathetic to him, and for what he did, and would be thrilled to no end if only the same thing could be done to all the "racists" in the world.

    At least that's how it certainly seems to me.

    (I want to qualify that by saying not all non-white people are hate-consumed enemies of Western civilization and its people, but a lot are. And if we invite them all in, we're dooming our posterity to a hell on earth. And that is exactly why so many people want for us to do that, because they hate our societies with every cell in their bodies, and many of those people are as white [[and high IQ]] as you can get)

  43. Never lose sight of the fact that, according to those who devise and administer IQ tests, such tests don’t measure “intelligence”, which is a subjective concept anyway. They measure the subjects’ adaptation to the norms of the society they live in. Thus, an IQ test devised by Americans will show Americans as being more intelligent than anyone else for the very obvious reason thay they are the best adapted to the norms of American society. We in Europe, for example, tend to regard Americans as rather unintelligent even though American-devised IQ tests show the opposite result. For the very same reason, the same test will show poor, uneducated, rural black Africans, for example, as having an incredibly low IQ. That’s also why immigrants who come into a country from abroad have a much lower IQ than the native born population and the more remote the cultural norms of the country of origin are from those of the “new country”, the lower will be the IQ. The other point to bear in mind is that the figure of 100 is an arbitrarily-applied control figure which reflects the average score of those who took the test. I tend to see the American misuse of IQ tests as “objective” measures of intelligence as part of the ongoing degeneration of American society. Everything is crumbling and people are clutching at straws. Believing that Americans are more intelligent than everybody else is a means of transforming their sense of degeneracy into a “bump in the road”. America will bounce back because Americans are more intelligent than everybody else!

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    You obviously have no clue:

    "Culture fair" test:

    There are no letters, no numbers, only logical sequences expressed through geometric symbols.

    This allows the testing of candidates from different cultural backgrounds in an equal manner, which mainly explains the popularity of this test.
     
    https://iq-research.info/en
  44. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Michael Kenny
    Never lose sight of the fact that, according to those who devise and administer IQ tests, such tests don't measure "intelligence", which is a subjective concept anyway. They measure the subjects' adaptation to the norms of the society they live in. Thus, an IQ test devised by Americans will show Americans as being more intelligent than anyone else for the very obvious reason thay they are the best adapted to the norms of American society. We in Europe, for example, tend to regard Americans as rather unintelligent even though American-devised IQ tests show the opposite result. For the very same reason, the same test will show poor, uneducated, rural black Africans, for example, as having an incredibly low IQ. That's also why immigrants who come into a country from abroad have a much lower IQ than the native born population and the more remote the cultural norms of the country of origin are from those of the "new country", the lower will be the IQ. The other point to bear in mind is that the figure of 100 is an arbitrarily-applied control figure which reflects the average score of those who took the test. I tend to see the American misuse of IQ tests as "objective" measures of intelligence as part of the ongoing degeneration of American society. Everything is crumbling and people are clutching at straws. Believing that Americans are more intelligent than everybody else is a means of transforming their sense of degeneracy into a "bump in the road". America will bounce back because Americans are more intelligent than everybody else!

    You obviously have no clue:

    “Culture fair” test:

    There are no letters, no numbers, only logical sequences expressed through geometric symbols.

    This allows the testing of candidates from different cultural backgrounds in an equal manner, which mainly explains the popularity of this test.

    https://iq-research.info/en

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  45. @War for Blair Mountain
    There is no economic case for importing nonwhite immigrants...this includes Asian Legal Immigrants. Therefore, IQ test scores are completely irrelevant to this debate...for there is no debate:race-replacement immigration policy is rejected...and that's all there is to it!!!

    IQ test scores are completely irrelevant to this debate

    You’re right, Blair. This whole IQ discussion is an increasingly otiose waste of everybody’s time and is a sterling example of the soi-disant intellectuals of the Alt-Right’s unique ability to miss the point.

    In order to see just how utterly useless this all is, all you have to do is look at the overlapping bell curves of IQ distribution between Whites and non-Whites in the USA and ask yourself a few salient questions.

    1. While the White mean is shifted further to the right than the non-White mean, the region of overlap comprises over 100 million lower IQ Whites who do not cause nearly the same amount of social disruption as Blacks and other minorities. Why does Western civilization work for these Whites but not for their non-White counterparts who share the same IQ, if IQ is the predominant factor?

    2. Phrased another way, why do the roughly 30% of minorities who exceed the mean White IQ not contribute nearly as much to our White societies as the 1 standard deviation White masses?

    3. Even minority IQ distributions have a right tail which fades off into the Goethe and Leibniz realms. It only takes a few such geniuses per century to drive advanced cultural development. But non-Whites, despite producing the requisite number of geniuses, did not produce the development. Why was that?

    The answer is because IQ has nothing to do with what we’re really interested in here. These people are simply not the same as us. They have differently structured souls whose imperatives, priorities, and desires are alien to ours. We are not “equally yoked,” to use a Biblical term; we cannot live together without conflict.

    Inevitably some HBD buffoon will now come along and accuse me of “ignoring science” and believing in “magic dirt” and otherwise taking nurture’s side in the nature vs. nurture debate. I am doing no such thing. HBDers are too poor as philosophers to even know what words like science and nature and culture are supposed to mean. What I’m talking about is simultaneously more rigorous and implacable than your “nature,” more universal and compassionate than your “nurture.”

    I do not support any attempts to turn non-White, non-Western people into carriers of my tradition through education and acculturation, because I know it will not work. I regard all such attempts as illusory, as the proverbial putting lipstick on a pig. An educated Black man is still a creature whose inner life, whose feelings and dimensions and worldview, will never match that of White man. This isn’t a result of “biology,” for what we call biology is but another expression of it. It is a result of the differences in the informing souls that shape us biologically, psychologically, and culturally.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous

    the roughly 30% of minorities who exceed the mean White IQ
     
    It's only ~15% if you're talking about 85 IQ (African Americans). Muslim IQ is 81 and the percentage already drops to ~10%.

    The IQ is distributed on a Bell Curve which means that the "right tail" of 100 IQ population and 81 IQ population is very, very different. The fist one will have one "genius" (150+ IQ) in ~2300 births while the second will need ~470 000.

    http://www.iqcomparisonsite.com/iqtable.aspx
  46. @Anonymous
    Mohamed Noor -> Somalian -> Avg. IQ: 68

    https://archive.is/O13Vz

    Mohamed Noor -> Somalian -> Avg. IQ: 68

    it isn’t IQ that troubles me. I know of exceptionally nice and pleasant people who’re less than geniuses, and geniuses who’re execrable, loathsome individuals. Hillary Clinton or Loretta Lynch are quite intelligent for example.

    My issue isn’t with intelligence per se, but rather the deep and abiding hatred that so many of these people have for Western civilization and its people.

    the men who tortured Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom to death weren’t motivated to do so by being stupid, but rather because of their seething, visceral and psychotic hatred for white people.

    the Muslims that raped all those girls in Rotherham, England, didn’t do so because they were stupid, but rather out of their hatred and contempt for the British, because they were white, British girls. (they never touched girls from their own communities)

    Western civilization has lots of dullards who make fine neighbors, because in spite of their lackluster IQ, they have no hatred in their hearts for white people. But for many, many non-whites, the hate that they have for white people is all-consuming and existential.

    If Mohamed Noor shot a white women in her pajamas who was (obviously) no threat, three times- I don’t believe he did so because he was stupid, but rather because of his congenital hatred of the white “racists” he’s been taught to hate his entire life, as evil and racist and the cause of all his and his communities problems- got the better of him, and he listened to that voice of his blood, and killed an eternal oppressor.

    and, I believe that there are billions of people on this planet that are sympathetic to him, and for what he did, and would be thrilled to no end if only the same thing could be done to all the “racists” in the world.

    At least that’s how it certainly seems to me.

    (I want to qualify that by saying not all non-white people are hate-consumed enemies of Western civilization and its people, but a lot are. And if we invite them all in, we’re dooming our posterity to a hell on earth. And that is exactly why so many people want for us to do that, because they hate our societies with every cell in their bodies, and many of those people are as white [[and high IQ]] as you can get)

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    I'm looking at it from a European angle. A large number of low IQ people from the ME and Africa will not be able to compete in terms of education and career. They'll become a permanent, resentful, underclass in Europe. It's interesting to note that the continent didn't really have real slums or no-go zones until they showed up - except for a few gypsy zones which kinda' proves my point.

    Basically, if you're an 81 IQ shitskin welfare-leech born in Germany, your best bet to gain respect and punani is crime and/or Jihad. As luck would have it, the Imams and Soros are more than happy to give you a hand.
  47. @Sean

    Jones explicitly tells us that he has not set out to explain why some nations have higher IQs than others.
     
    Quite, and so his argument has nothing to say about what IQ the offspring of low IQ immigrants to the US will have.

    1% voted that the gap was “due entirely to genetic variation”,
     
    Let's be clear, that is the layman's understanding of what Jensen and Hans Eysenck were saying. One in a hundred in an anonymous survey conducted three decades ago! I will bet you anything that fewer than 1% of scientists qualified in the genetics field would give that answer now, even though there is far more knowledge of specific IQ genes differing between population groups now than there was in 1987.

    Even those who believe that it is immoral to prioritize the well-being of one’s fellow citizens should consider how mass migration might threaten the values and progress that all reasonable people hold dear.
     

    But the values are the problem, they are progressively diverging from the whole meaning and tenor of the scientific discoveries. Utopian equalitarianism now totally dominates scientific opinion in the West, although that is where all the scientific advances that prove environmental explainations for IQ equalitarianism are wrong have been made. I repeat, the advanced sectors of the West, including every single geneticist willing to go public, disagree with the idea that that average IQ differences between groups like nations are genetically fixed, and this rejection of hereditarian / genetic explanations is accelerating apace with scientific finding and discoveries consistent with hereditarian /genetic explanations being correct.

    Commenter Songbird above makes a observation that may explain the paradox


    I believe that most people are psychologcially wired in such a way that technology encourages a sense of utopianism
     

    I repeat, the advanced sectors of the West, including every single geneticist willing to go public, disagree with the idea that that average IQ differences between groups like nations are genetically fixed, and this rejection of hereditarian / genetic explanations is accelerating apace with scientific finding and discoveries consistent with hereditarian /genetic explanations being correct.

    No mystery here. We live in a quasi-theocracy where the belief in equality is akin to believing in God. Going against that religion threatens everything you value in life – family, relationships, employment, etc. Is it any wonder that people find any and every way to either convince themselves of the validity of this religion or, barring that, just keep their mouths shut.

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    IQ is due to genetics and environment. As far as where it tilts, that is for up for intense debate.

    "We live in a quasi-theocracy where the belief in equality is akin to believing in God."

    The belief in equality was stated by Thomas Jefferson--"All men are equal".

    "Going against that religion threatens everything you value in life – family, relationships, employment, etc."

    That is Fake News.
  48. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Rurik

    Mohamed Noor -> Somalian -> Avg. IQ: 68
     
    it isn't IQ that troubles me. I know of exceptionally nice and pleasant people who're less than geniuses, and geniuses who're execrable, loathsome individuals. Hillary Clinton or Loretta Lynch are quite intelligent for example.

    My issue isn't with intelligence per se, but rather the deep and abiding hatred that so many of these people have for Western civilization and its people.

    the men who tortured Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom to death weren't motivated to do so by being stupid, but rather because of their seething, visceral and psychotic hatred for white people.

    the Muslims that raped all those girls in Rotherham, England, didn't do so because they were stupid, but rather out of their hatred and contempt for the British, because they were white, British girls. (they never touched girls from their own communities)

    Western civilization has lots of dullards who make fine neighbors, because in spite of their lackluster IQ, they have no hatred in their hearts for white people. But for many, many non-whites, the hate that they have for white people is all-consuming and existential.

    If Mohamed Noor shot a white women in her pajamas who was (obviously) no threat, three times- I don't believe he did so because he was stupid, but rather because of his congenital hatred of the white "racists" he's been taught to hate his entire life, as evil and racist and the cause of all his and his communities problems- got the better of him, and he listened to that voice of his blood, and killed an eternal oppressor.

    and, I believe that there are billions of people on this planet that are sympathetic to him, and for what he did, and would be thrilled to no end if only the same thing could be done to all the "racists" in the world.

    At least that's how it certainly seems to me.

    (I want to qualify that by saying not all non-white people are hate-consumed enemies of Western civilization and its people, but a lot are. And if we invite them all in, we're dooming our posterity to a hell on earth. And that is exactly why so many people want for us to do that, because they hate our societies with every cell in their bodies, and many of those people are as white [[and high IQ]] as you can get)

    I’m looking at it from a European angle. A large number of low IQ people from the ME and Africa will not be able to compete in terms of education and career. They’ll become a permanent, resentful, underclass in Europe. It’s interesting to note that the continent didn’t really have real slums or no-go zones until they showed up – except for a few gypsy zones which kinda’ proves my point.

    Basically, if you’re an 81 IQ shitskin welfare-leech born in Germany, your best bet to gain respect and punani is crime and/or Jihad. As luck would have it, the Imams and Soros are more than happy to give you a hand.

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  49. @Anonymous
    You must not have ever been to India.

    India is the most backwards and savage place I have ever been to which is reflected in the iq score of 82. People there haven't even mastered basic hygiene such as defacating in toilets.

    If you traveled to any of the countries you listed during those time periods you would still think they were better off than modern day India.

    GDP cannot reflect IQ perfectly. Just think if Sub-Saharan Africa struck oil. Their GDP would go up immensely.

    But GDP is a good proxy in general, as most people do not have an easy way to generate economic activity without using their intelligence to create wealth.

    False. India is relatively safe for its poverty level (much safer than, say, Mexico or Russia), with centuries of art, music, literature, and science. It reached the iron age long before Europe did.

    Indians in the US are the highest income group in the US, bar none. And no, they are not ‘higher caste’ Indians. Indians who emigrate to the US are specifically not wealthy in India. They are ‘educated but poor’.

    Your knowledge of India is virtually zero.

    But even from your own point, India’s GDP per capita is only 10-25 years behind many countries that you consider civilized. India and Ukraine are almost equal. Since India does not have natural resources like oil, the fact that their GDP is only a few years behind those countries I listed is evidence that this IQ-GDP correlation is highly flawed, and certainly does not account for economic growth.

    Again, if a country’s economy grew by 3%, 4%, or 5% per capita in a single year, did its IQ increase? This is a question that appears too sophisticated for the typical white nationalist…

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    Thomm, you are obviously an Indian and is taking this argument personally.

    Nice of you to throw in Mexico even though it wasn't on your first list and they don't have a high IQ.

    But I stand by what I said. All of those countries are safer and more civilized than India in any time period. Just look at how India treats it's women even now. Again, you just need to walk around in any of those countries and meet people (in any time period) and it will be immediately obvious. India resembles Africa more than it does Europe or Asia.

    The art, literature, and science was done by high IQ Indians which shows that India has capable people. But does nothing to refute that India has a low iq on average.

    Indians in America have high income, but also a high IQ which IQ tests have shown. And yes, it is because most Indians who immigrate to the West are the high iq types and not the 82 iq type.

    Of course if gdp goes up a few percentage points, it doesn't mean that IQ went up as well. I am starting to think you are one of those 82 iq Indians since you can't comprehend this. But GDP is a good proxy for IQ. There is no cause and effect. That's all people are saying.
    , @Mass Immigration is treason
    [Choose a single handle and stick with it. Using multiple handles to hide your identity may cause all your future comments to be summarily trashed.]

    It's really quite curious. All through Southeast Asia in countries like Malaysia and Singapore where there are sizable numbers of Indians and Chinese and no affirmative action to prop them up, the Indians either work for the Chinese or rob them for a living. In fact throughout Asia Indians are seen as either criminals or bullshit artists and often live in abject poverty. Only in the US are they hailed as "best and brightest", why? Because Jews love them, they have dark skin tone like blacks but a little smarter, and speak better English than the Chinese. Since Jews run our academia, media, Wall Street, Silicon Valley, you see Indians being propped up in these places. They hate the Chinese because the Chinese are real competition. Indians are easily brainwashed, case in point:

    Prominent Indian-Americans are also the most vocal anti-Trumpers, from politicians like Kamala Harris, Kshama Sawant, Jayapal Pramila, to comedians/actors like Aziz Ansari, Hasan Minhaj, Kumail Nanjani(the idiot in HBO's Silicon Valley), to Calexit pusher VC Shervin Pishevar, Google CEO Sundar Pichai...all are big time socialist libtard Trump-haters. If they had any brain they would know it's socialism that F'ed up India. Meanwhile, Trump's ambassador to the UN Nikki Haley should just be renamed *Israel's* ambassador to the UN, you just can't find a bigger Israel lover than Nikki Haley. It's just a matter of time before that low IQ pitbull gets us into another war on behalf of Israel.
    , @Negrolphin Pool
    I hate to say this, but you're either being disingenuous or you just have no idea how basic statistic analysis works. Even strong correlations, given sufficiently large samples, will produce many examples that go against the trend, some of which will be huge outliers. In sociology, economics and other fields, correlation coefficients above .3 or so are usually considered quite strong. Many people may not understand how weak a trend with an R of .3 is, but there will be a high proportion of data not closely fitting the trend line and many extreme outliers, given larger samples.

    And this idea of comparing where countries are now to where their better-performing counterparts were 25 years ago is pure methodological nonsense, for a variety of reasons. The biggest of these is that the tide of technological progress is lifting all nations' boats in roughly tandem. And invention is orders of magnitude more difficult than application etc.

  50. What is good in the mouth can be bad in the stomach.

    Like sugar. Sweet in the mouth but diabetes for the body.

    Our short-sighted culture emphasizes instant flavors over long-term nutrition.

    Just look at our drug culture.

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    @Intelligent Dasein

    IQ test scores are completely irrelevant to this debate
     
    You're right, Blair. This whole IQ discussion is an increasingly otiose waste of everybody's time and is a sterling example of the soi-disant intellectuals of the Alt-Right's unique ability to miss the point.

    In order to see just how utterly useless this all is, all you have to do is look at the overlapping bell curves of IQ distribution between Whites and non-Whites in the USA and ask yourself a few salient questions.

    1. While the White mean is shifted further to the right than the non-White mean, the region of overlap comprises over 100 million lower IQ Whites who do not cause nearly the same amount of social disruption as Blacks and other minorities. Why does Western civilization work for these Whites but not for their non-White counterparts who share the same IQ, if IQ is the predominant factor?

    2. Phrased another way, why do the roughly 30% of minorities who exceed the mean White IQ not contribute nearly as much to our White societies as the 1 standard deviation White masses?

    3. Even minority IQ distributions have a right tail which fades off into the Goethe and Leibniz realms. It only takes a few such geniuses per century to drive advanced cultural development. But non-Whites, despite producing the requisite number of geniuses, did not produce the development. Why was that?

    The answer is because IQ has nothing to do with what we're really interested in here. These people are simply not the same as us. They have differently structured souls whose imperatives, priorities, and desires are alien to ours. We are not "equally yoked," to use a Biblical term; we cannot live together without conflict.

    Inevitably some HBD buffoon will now come along and accuse me of "ignoring science" and believing in "magic dirt" and otherwise taking nurture's side in the nature vs. nurture debate. I am doing no such thing. HBDers are too poor as philosophers to even know what words like science and nature and culture are supposed to mean. What I'm talking about is simultaneously more rigorous and implacable than your "nature," more universal and compassionate than your "nurture."

    I do not support any attempts to turn non-White, non-Western people into carriers of my tradition through education and acculturation, because I know it will not work. I regard all such attempts as illusory, as the proverbial putting lipstick on a pig. An educated Black man is still a creature whose inner life, whose feelings and dimensions and worldview, will never match that of White man. This isn't a result of "biology," for what we call biology is but another expression of it. It is a result of the differences in the informing souls that shape us biologically, psychologically, and culturally.

    the roughly 30% of minorities who exceed the mean White IQ

    It’s only ~15% if you’re talking about 85 IQ (African Americans). Muslim IQ is 81 and the percentage already drops to ~10%.

    The IQ is distributed on a Bell Curve which means that the “right tail” of 100 IQ population and 81 IQ population is very, very different. The fist one will have one “genius” (150+ IQ) in ~2300 births while the second will need ~470 000.

    http://www.iqcomparisonsite.com/iqtable.aspx

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  52. @War for Blair Mountain
    There is no economic case for importing nonwhite immigrants...this includes Asian Legal Immigrants. Therefore, IQ test scores are completely irrelevant to this debate...for there is no debate:race-replacement immigration policy is rejected...and that's all there is to it!!!

    There is no economic case for importing nonwhite immigrants…this includes Asian Legal Immigrants.

    False. There is a tremendous economic benefit to importing highly skilled immigrants (Indians and Chinese are the bulk of these).

    Since it takes $500K+ to educate a child through K-12 and a Bachelor’s Degree in the US (not to mention the SJW crap that has replaced education in the US), when you get a readymade 22 y/o engineer coming to the US from Asia, that is effectively a subsidy of $500K imported into the US.

    50% of Silicon Valley’s workforce is Indian and Chinese immigrants. Without them being here, the tech industry would be far more centered in Asia than now.

    Anyway, no one, certainly not Trump, is even remotely interested in curbing skilled, legal immigration.

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    that is effectively a subsidy of $500K imported into the US

     

    One half meeelion dollars!
    , @DB Cooper
    "There is a tremendous economic benefit to importing highly skilled immigrants "

    Indians immigrants have done tremendous damage to the US economy because these so called 'highly skilled immigrants' are in fact scam artists using fake degrees and credentials. Indian programmers have made a name for themselves as being extremely bad. The reason they got work in the US is because Indians body shops like Infosys, TCS...etc. got contracts from many of the big companies on the premises that they can deliver the same performance than their American counterparts but with much lower cost. Once these companies get the contracts they will hire exclusively Indian immigrants. The thing is that unlike a manufactured product where you can see the quality of the product immediately the many bugs and low quality of the software program will not manifested itself until months or years later. By that time the damage has already been done and these companies move on to prey on the next gullible company and the cycle repeats itself.

    Here is a list of companies ruined by Indians compiled some years ago. I am sure the list is much longer now.

    Adaptec - Indian CEO Subramanian Sundaresh fired.
    AIG (signed outsourcing deal in 2007 in Europe with Accenture Indian frauds, collapsed in 2009)
    AirBus (Qantas plane plunged 650 feet injuring passengers when its computer system written by India disengaged the auto-pilot).
    Apple - R&D CLOSED in India in 2006.
    Australia's National Australia Bank (Outsourced jobs to India in 2007, nationwide ATM and account failure in late 2010).
    Bell Labs (Arun Netravalli took over, closed, turned into a shopping mall)
    Boeing Dreamliner ES software (written by HCL, banned by FAA)
    Bristol-Myers-Squibb (Trade Secrets and documents stolen in U.S. by Indian national guest worker)
    Caymas - Startup run by Indian CEO, French director of dev, Chinese tech lead. Closed after 5 years of sucking VC out of America.
    Caterpillar misses earnings a mere 4 months after outsourcing to India, Inc.
    Circuit City - Outsourced all IT to Indian-run IBM and went bankrupt shortly thereafter.
    ComAir crew system run by 100% Indian IT workers caused the 12/25/05 U.S. airport shutdown when they used a short int instead of a long int
    Computer Associates - Former CEO Sanjay Kumar, an Indian national, sentenced to 12 years in federal prison for accounting fraud.
    Deloitte - 2010 - this Indian-packed consulting company is being sued under RICO fraud charges by Marin Country, California for a failed solution.
    Dell - call center (closed in India)
    Delta call centers (closed in India)
    Fannie Mae - Hired large numbers of Indians, had to be bailed out. Indian logic bomb creator found guilty and sent to prison.
    GM - Was booming in 2006, signed $300 million outsourcing deal with Wipro that same year, went bankrupt 3 years later
    HP - Got out of the PC hardware business in 2011 and can't compete with Apple's tablets. HP was taken over by Indians and Chinese in 2001. So much for 'Asian' talent!
    HSBC ATMs (software taken over by Indians, failed in 2006)
    Intel Whitefield processor project (cancelled, Indian staff canned)
    JetStar Airways computer failure brings down Christchurch airport on 9/17/11. JetStar is owned by Quantas - which is know to have outsourced to India, Inc.
    Lehman (Spectramind software bought by Wipro, ruined, trashed by Indian programmers)
    Medicare - Defrauded by Indian national doctor Arun Sharma & wife in the U.S.
    Microsoft - Employs over 35,000 H-1Bs. Stock used to be $100. Today it's lucky to be over $25. Not to mention that Vista thing.
    MIT Media Lab Asia (canceled)
    MyNines - A startup founded and run by Indian national Apar Kothari went belly up after throwing millions of America's VC $ down the drain.
    PeopleSoft (Taken over by Indians in 2000, collapsed).
    PepsiCo - Slides from #1 to #3 during Indian CEO Indra Nooyi' watch.
    Polycom - Former senior executive Sunil Bhalla charged with insider trading.
    Qantas - See AirBus above
    Quark (Alukah Kamar CEO, fired, lost 60% of its customers to Adobe because Indian-written QuarkExpress 6 was a failure)
    Rolls Royce (Sent aircraft engine work to India in 2006, engines delayed for Boeing 787, and failed on at least 2 Quantas planes in 2010, cost Rolls $500m).
    SAP - Same as Deloitte above in 2010.
    Singapore airlines (IT functions taken over in 2009 by TCS, website trashed in August, 2011)
    Skype (Madhu Yarlagadda fired)
    State of Indiana $867 million FAILED IBM project, IBM being sued
    State of Texas failed IBM project.
    Sun Micro (Taken over by Indian and Chinese workers in 2001, collapsed, had to be sold off to Oracle).
    UK's NHS outsourced numerous jobs including health records to India in mid-2000 resulting in $26 billion over budget.
    Union Bank of California - Cancelled Finacle project run by India's InfoSys in 2011.
    United - call center (closed in India)
    Victorian Order of Nurses, Canada (Payroll system screwed up by SAP/IBM in mid-2011)
    Virgin Atlantic (software written in India caused cloud IT failure)
    World Bank (Indian fraudsters BANNED for 3 years because they stole data).


    There is a huge backlash against these fraudsters from people who are in the industry and know what they are talking about:

    http://techinsurgent.com/default.aspx

    http://www.indiots.rocks/
    , @MarkinLA
    50% of Silicon Valley’s workforce is Indian and Chinese immigrants. Without them being here, the tech industry would be far more centered in Asia than now.

    BS the great bulk of H-1Bs are doing garbage work that anybody could do. They are only there for the low wages. Half of the Americans who get STEM degrees don't get jobs in those fields because the wages have stagnated for so long.

    Since it takes $500K+ to educate a child through K-12 and a Bachelor’s Degree in the US (not to mention the SJW crap that has replaced education in the US), when you get a readymade 22 y/o engineer coming to the US from Asia, that is effectively a subsidy of $500K imported into the US.

    Only somebody as ignorant of the situation as an economist could say this. The problem with these immigrants is they are utilized to push Americans already doing those jobs with families to support and mortgages to pay out the door at an early age. It also contributes to the deficit in the tax base due to the overall lowering of wages in that industry.

    Anyway, no one, certainly not Trump, is even remotely interested in curbing skilled, legal immigration.

    Trump has tightened H-1B rules as far as he can but it isn't enough - the whole scam needs to be killed.
    , @War for Blair Mountain
    Mr. Thomm

    Your comments expose the naked brutal evil treason of the Libertarian Cucks.


    The Hindus in India would never make an economic case to have themselves race-replaced in the tech field in India with Chinese Legal Immigrants...Nor would the Hindus in India make an economic argument to have themselves race-replaced by Chinese Legal Immigrants in the Engineering Departments across India.

    If the Hindus in India were to wake up one day only to discover that they were racially displaced in the Engineering Profession and Engineering Departments in India by Chinese Legal Immigrants.....race riots would break out across India.
    , @CanSpeccy

    50% of Silicon Valley’s workforce is Indian and Chinese immigrants. Without them being here, the tech industry would be far more centered in Asia than now.
     
    Either that, or there'd be a Hell of a lot more incentive for American kids to study hard subjects and become masters of technology and engineering as Americans used to be in the age of the Bell Labs, the Manhattan Project, and Apollo.

    Unfortunately, the children of those great pioneers in technology seem all to have been absorbed into the self-genocidal politically correct culture of today's, moribund Euro-America population.
    , @Anonymous
    This delusional Indian is typical of what you find in America. Argumentative and not bright or intellectually honest enough to make any intelligent argument.

    Indians do the same work as white people only for a third of the cost and much lower wages.

    If you are an oligarch like Zuckerberg, than Indians are good for you. For every other American Indians are pure cancer.

    They are tribalistic like Jews only they smell bad and treat women horribly. Also, the worst part of Indians is that while they may be high caste in India, in America no one thinks much of them and it drives Indians crazy.

    They crave so much validation it is pathetic.
    , @Sinking ship
    It's been at least 2 decades since India started its tech industry, first by doing the Y2k fix, then by outsourcing. Today, China which started going into tech much later can boast of many successful tech firms in both software and hardware, but India still doesn't have a single tech company worth mentioning. All the large tech firms are outsourcing firms, making a living by doing back office work for Western companies. They produce zero new technology. The Chinese may have copied a lot of our technology, but at least they copied and innovated on top of it, the Indians can't even copy properly. You can stop telling us how smart the Indians are now, those in the tech industry know better and are not buying it.
  53. Muslim IQ is 81 and the percentage already drops to ~10%.

    This is fascinating, and shows how inbreeding and social programming can supercede genetics. Genetically, the Middle East is the next closest thing to Europe, after all….

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    shows how inbreeding and social programming can supercede genetics
     
    Social programming has no influence on genetics while inbreeding becomes genetics - which is hereditary.

    Several studies show that children of consanguineous marriages have lower intelligence than children of non-related parents. Research shows that the IQ is 10-16 points lower in children born from related parents and that abilities related to social behavior develops slower in inbred babies.
     
    http://archive.is/9EvW5
  54. welfare-leech born in Germany, your best bet to gain respect and punani is crime

    the reason the refugees are flooding Europe has nothing to do with compassion, hardly.

    The motivation is pure, visceral, deep-seated hatred for all things white European.

    we know why the Jews are demanding it (tribal hegemony)

    we know why the immigrants come, (they’d be fools not to!)

    what’s more of a problem are the white liberals who’ve somehow been programmed to think of themselves as human urinals, which would be fine I suppose, but more to the point, they expect.. nay, demand, that we all act as human urinals in order to expiate their crushing, other-worldly and unendurable, self-loathing guilt

    http://dailycaller.com/2016/04/06/leftist-norwegian-politician-gets-raped-by-somalian-begs-for-him-not-to-be-deported/

    it’s these (often high IQ) white liberals (the Germans that will re-elect Merkel) who doom the rest of us.

    Too bad they can’t be sent packing to live among the Somalis they seem to love soooo much.

    I’d pay money to see that!

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    Too bad they can’t be sent packing to live among the Somalis they seem to love soooo much.
     
    I feel the same. Others are waking up and the situation will explode one way or another. The decision makers and the opinion makers will have to be tried for treason, eventually. This is the biggest attempted genocide in human history.
    , @CanSpeccy

    it’s these (often high IQ) white liberals (the Germans that will re-elect Merkel) who doom the rest of us.
     
    White liberals are basically the ladder climbers. People whose self-worth is determined by their social status, salary, what car they drive, etc.

    These are the people most comfortably insulated from the consequences of globalist policies: the overrunning of working class urban districts by people of an alien race, religion and culture; the rising cost of working class housing due to mass immigration; the rise in taxes to cover the cost of infrastructure to accommodate not Europeans but immigrants to Europe.

    Mostly, white liberals work either for the state — in education, healthcare, government or as government contractors, or for globalist corporations who want cheap immigrant labor and the freedom to offshore whatever work they can to the cheap muscle and brains of the Third World.

    Being ladder climbers, white liberals naturally adhere to the state religion of political correctness in which they have been indoctrinated from birth. They know that reproduction as the only sexual vice. They know that opposition to mass replacement immigration is racism.

    The entire moronic system of treasonous belief is held in place with taxes paid by the those who are to be destroyed. Overpaid nonentities are appointed as university presidents, deans, departmental chairs to whom it is well understood that it is more than their job is worth to oppose the state-dictated religion: gender equity (fuck merit); promotion of queerdom and weirddom (the Hell with raising future generations), and all the rest of the treasonous globalist religion of political correctness for the destruction of the sovereign, democratic, nation state.

  55. Dumb Conservatives worry about Sharia and Muslims(a problem in EU, not here), but it is Gayria that has real quasi-religious hold over America.

    Get a load of this:

    http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/07/19/gay-activist-says-its-time-to-target-christians-time-to-punish-the-wicked/

    A homo fecal penetrator into ‘gay’ poo-ride talks about punishing the ‘wicked’. He uses religious lingo. So, what is ‘wicked’? Defense of true marriage rooted in biology and morality.
    What is holy? Celebration of homo men who do fecal penetration and trannies who hire doctors to carry out frankenstein medicine of genital mutilation far uglier than female clitoris removal in African nations. American religiosity has gone from Sermon on the Mount to Sodom on the Mount. Sexual deviants and perverts are preaching to normal decent people not only about morality(which would be funny enough) but about spirituality. Oh yes, the ‘wicked’.

    It goes to show how useless secular culture has become in the West. It is neo-religious with new angels and new devils, new sacraments and new taboos. If you don’t support ‘gay marriage’ or ‘same-sex marriage’, you are ‘wicked’ and must be hunted down. Now, Conservatives have been supporting Big Business and Big Money all these yrs, but it is Big Bucks that are behind the Buttfu**s.

    Homomania or Queertianity is the new religion of the West. It is what most ‘secular’ people go gaga over. Dawkins and Maher mock religious people(and yes, some religious people are truly wacky), but the secularist worship of the golden calf of sodom and mammon is even more ridiculous since it is worship of decadent vanity of homos and trannies. People get so passionate, weepy-eyed, and worked up over the Cult of the Holy Homo.

    The West went from Gay Rights to Gay Rites. The new homily is the homoly. To be ‘saved’(and maybe shaved), you need Gay on your side. Even the word ‘pride’ has been made synonymous with homosexuality. It used to be ‘gay pride’, a ridiculous enough idea as who wants to associate pride with fecal penetration and genital mutilation? But now, just say ‘pride’, and it’s the domain of homos.

    Many people wanted to be nice to homos and offer them tolerance. But they failed to realize the homo nature. Homos are vain, narcissistic, hissy, and bitchy. They are very jealous and demanding. They prefer fantasy over reality, artifice over nature. So, if a some tranny says he is a ‘woman’, not only does he fool himself that he is a diva but he demands that we better agree too. And homos feel as members of some elite society of natural aristocrats with style and flair deserving of praise and admiration from straight serfs and peons.
    It is no wonder that Jews have forged the closest alliance with homos since Jews have similar personality traits: chutzpah, cult of specialness, self-righteousness, supremacism, and holy victim mentality. And what better way to destroy deep-rooted gentile spiritual systems like Christianity and Islam with the neo-religion of Queertianity and Homoslam?
    Also, Jews and homos are both for the normalization of minority-elite-supremacism. And Jewish Power and Homo Power are both diaspora power. Jews have settled all over the world, and homos sprout in all parts of the world. Except for Israel, there is no Jewish nation. And there is no homo nation. So, Jewish power and Homo power is about gaining minority supremacist privileges over what are mostly gentile/straight nations.

    So, in social politics, always know the nature of the people you’re dealing with. If homos had a saner personality, they would have stopped at Tolerance, the acceptance by straight society that homos are born that way and should be allowed to be free in their deviancy.
    But homos have a vain, narcissistic, queenie-meanie, and neo-aristocratic personality, and once they got some power, they began to demand more and more and more. And homos were bound to become fabulously rich since they are so predominant in vanity and vice industries of pop culture and fashion. They are rolling in ill-gotten profits from peddling opium to the masses. And they got the backing of Wall Street, Hollywood, Las Vegas, and Silicon Valley that are dominated by Jewish oligarchs.

    But in the end, Homomania will fail for the same reason the Golden Calf did. If we look past the fanfare, festivity, fake colors, and fandom, there is nothing there there. There is nothing holy about narcissistic homos and vain trannies. There is nothing moral about ‘gay marriage’ that equates a homo man’s anus with a woman’s vagina. There is nothing sane about pretending that a man’s penis and balls have been magically transformed into a ‘vagina’. And preferring escapist fantasy over sober reality cannot be the basis of real culture and values.

    Stupid Conservatives talk about the need to protect homos from Sharia, but what we really need is to protect sane decent people from Homomaniacs and Poo-Ride supremacists. From Gayria.

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  56. @Sean
    In his book Exodus development economist Paul Collier notes that when it comes to whether the host population (non immigrants) in the host counties are made more or less prosperous by immigration "economists think that it is invalid even to pose the question, let alone to try to answer it".

    Economists operate with a global utility perspective and are fascinated by the gain in productivity of third worlders moving to the West, but when using national economy analysis the outcome is believed to be positive for the host economy. Also, effect on third world counties of their most intelligent people migrating is not believed to be bad. Collier disagrees, but he still does not believe intelegence and achivement are hereditary in a DNA sense.

    Read this please

    http://www.molecularecologist.com/2017/07/nprs-muddled-take-on-scientific-racism-and-direct-to-consumer-genetics/ the post, in which biological anthropologist Barbara King reviews the new book Is Science Racist by anthropologist Jonathan Marks, starts off with a premise that took me aback:
    “If you espouse creationist ideas in science [Marks writes] you are branded as an ideologue… But if you espouse racist ideas in science, that’s not quite so bad. People might look at you a little askance, but as a racist you can coexist in science alongside them, which you couldn’t do if you were a creationist. Science is racist when it permits scientists who advance racist ideas to exist and to thrive institutionally.” This is a strong set of claims, and Marks uses numerous examples to support them. For example, a 2014 book by science writer Nicholas Wade used genes and race to explain, as Michael Balter put it in Science magazine, “why some people live in tribal societies and some in advanced civilizations, why African-Americans are allegedly more violent than whites, and why the Chinese may be good at business.”
    [T]he first example of racist science is Nicholas Wade, who is … not actually a scientist. And whose 2014 book inspired a panel of 139 evolutionary geneticists (many of them who did research Wade cited in the book) to sign a letter to the New York Times saying that Wade was wrong That was after the book racked up blistering takedowns, pans, criticism, denunciation, elaborate multi-part debunkings, and condemnations from people who actually work with the kind of data Wade cited — including right here on this very blog. This is science “permitting scientists who advance racist ideas to exist and to thrive institutionally”?

    (The other example the blog post gives of a racist scientist tolerated by the mainstream, psychologist Phillipe Rushton, I have literally only ever heard about in the context of condemnations of his theories on racial differences in intelligence.)
     
    The above post was made by someone who is a qualified scientist and understands more about genetics then anyone currently on Unz has forgotten. EG: -http://www.molecularecologist.com/2015/02/bigger-on-the-inside/

    He is not at all unusual, there is literally no active biological scientist who endorses a view of average potential intelligence differing between groups such as nations because it is genetically limited, . This post is very deceptive if it implies otherwise.

    Joe Sobran once wrote that "the hive-like moral conformity of the intellectuals is among the wonders of the modern world". http://www.sobran.com/hive/hive.shtml

    “He is not at all unusual, there is literally no active biological scientist who endorses a view of average potential intelligence differing between groups such as nations because it is genetically limited”

    And yet it does demonstrably differ as is predicted by Darwin.
    So what does that say about today’s “scientists”?

    Frankly any scientist who even uses the word racism racist etc as if there is no such thing or that it is a bad thing, ought to be drummed out of the academy for creationism or politicization of science.
    Its really extraordinary you can be such a stupid fellow to link us to that review where a pseudo scientist actually uses creationism as a metaphor and simile to deconstruct “racist science”. Can you not see that the antithesis of “racist science” is creationism you moron. All men are not created equally, nature is not a progressive,and they as groups are evolved in sexual isolation, and selected for in those different environments, while hybridizing with entirely different non human hominids, and within these groups the sexes are further selected in sexually dimorphic pressure, and all this through the framework of evolution which single minded process is competition driven.

    You have to be a moron of epic proportion to even vaguely understand that and then make some appeal to authority that it doesnt matter. Or much much more likely you are actually acting as darwin predicted in your self interest and propagating thiiiis garbage in some way helps you survive or so you believe. Jew much comrade?

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  57. @Jonathan Mason
    It could be a combination of things like climate, diet, and culture, rather than just the gene genie.

    For example, i know that when I am in a hot climate, I do nothing most of the time, and certainly would not be capable of inventing the wheel, even though my grandfather's great-grandfather invented powered flight long before the Wright brothers who were second in flight. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Monck_Mason

    However his balloon driven by a clockwork powered propeller did not catch on as a major means of public transportation due to some minor issues. My maternal great grandfather, though, who originally rented out horses and buggies had the first motor bus in his part of England and became the owner of a regional bus company.

    People who do not get a childhood diet rich in nutrients are less likely to develop brains with high intelligence, and there will be some parts of the world that support the human brain better. Perhaps if we all ate rice-based meals, we would be brainier.

    Culture seems like an obvious one. I know plenty of Haitians and Dominicans who meet the American definition of 'black' or African American, and they are very different in their behavior from local African Americans, who have the misfortune to be born into a debased culture where saggy underwear is considered a mark of distinction. (It is a pity that Lemuel Gulliver of Swift's Gullivers Travels never visited the land of the American Africans to give his take.)

    Language is also surely a factor. Some languages have large vocabularies and lend themselves to subtle distinctions in meaning, whereas others are very basic. Haitians suffer in this respect, for while Haitian Kreyol is a lovely language, the reason it is easy to learn is that it is very simple, whereas Chinese is notoriously difficult.

    It is quite likely the the process of learning Chinese and Japanese speech and written language has effects of developing the brain in a certain way. English is also complex and has a very deep literature, with many phrases from Chaucer, Shakespeare, and the King James Bible still in everyday use.

    Yes, there are many blacks of low intelligence, but one of the best ways of improving that is to make sure that expectant black mothers have good nutrition and prenatal care and lay off the alcohol and recreational drugs like cocaine. If the mother is overweight and diabetic in pregnancy, the unborn child is already off to a poor start. Premature birth babies are less likely to develop good academic brains, and so on. Babies whose parents are lacking in verbal skills and vocabulary are less likely to grow up with good verbal skills. And so on.

    there is something about the internet that makes people who are intelligent enough to understand they havent a clue about a topic feel compelled to chime in, often they begin by bragging how little they know but that they are going to barge right in anyway. shut the fuck up you sound really stupid you have a dozen or more well known fallacies in your little speech, if you actually want to learn something you can click right through this website to Jaymans where you can find the thousands of scientists who can explain racist science to you.

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  58. Using Garett Jones’s book and evidence, there certainly is an argument to be made in favor of immigration restrictionism from countries whose IQs are unlikely to even come close to reaching Western levels.

    However, ultimately we should focus on transhumanism and on improving people’s IQ through things such as genetic engineering and embryo selection for intelligence. Indeed, such things should be free for non-wealthy people in order to prevent wealthy people from being the only ones who could afford these things.

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    However, ultimately we should focus on transhumanism and on improving people’s IQ through things such as genetic engineering and embryo selection for intelligence. Indeed, such things should be free for non-wealthy people in order to prevent wealthy people from being the only ones who could afford these things.
     
    Why do we need genetic alchemy when we can just limit blacks/browns and allow in more yellows?

    We need more of this laundry detergent: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Few8kJ0zfnY

  59. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Rurik

    welfare-leech born in Germany, your best bet to gain respect and punani is crime
     
    the reason the refugees are flooding Europe has nothing to do with compassion, hardly.

    The motivation is pure, visceral, deep-seated hatred for all things white European.

    we know why the Jews are demanding it (tribal hegemony)

    we know why the immigrants come, (they'd be fools not to!)

    what's more of a problem are the white liberals who've somehow been programmed to think of themselves as human urinals, which would be fine I suppose, but more to the point, they expect.. nay, demand, that we all act as human urinals in order to expiate their crushing, other-worldly and unendurable, self-loathing guilt

    http://dailycaller.com/2016/04/06/leftist-norwegian-politician-gets-raped-by-somalian-begs-for-him-not-to-be-deported/

    it's these (often high IQ) white liberals (the Germans that will re-elect Merkel) who doom the rest of us.

    Too bad they can't be sent packing to live among the Somalis they seem to love soooo much.

    I'd pay money to see that!

    Too bad they can’t be sent packing to live among the Somalis they seem to love soooo much.

    I feel the same. Others are waking up and the situation will explode one way or another. The decision makers and the opinion makers will have to be tried for treason, eventually. This is the biggest attempted genocide in human history.

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    The decision makers and the opinion makers will have to be tried for treason, eventually. This is the biggest attempted genocide in human history.
     
    we should do what the Jews do, and nationally and collectively support candidates for office, by sending them money

    when Paul Ryan comes up for reelection in 2018, the entire nation should get behind a primary challenger, and toss the creepy Ryan scum out on his arse.

    we need to send a message to the whores in our congress that they can no longer serve the interests of the donor class while betraying the interests of their constituents. But we need to act collectively, like the Jews do. As soon as some politician looks at Israel sideways, the Jews rally to an opponent, sending money and support and doing all they can to ditch the guy or gal who they don't like. We need to start doing the same thing. We need to get rid of Paul Ryan, as an example to the other whores and traitors. Just like what was done to the maggot Eric Cantor.

    The only thing these miserable rats understand is reelection, and once they feel the wrath of the American people at the voting booth, they'll start to catch on.

    The donor class is made up of America's enemies, and want to see us all reduced to third world poverty, so they can lord it over us all even more than they do today. We need to find and fund champions of our cause. We need to get rid of Paul Ryan.

  60. @Thomm
    There is no economic case for importing nonwhite immigrants…this includes Asian Legal Immigrants.

    False. There is a tremendous economic benefit to importing highly skilled immigrants (Indians and Chinese are the bulk of these).

    Since it takes $500K+ to educate a child through K-12 and a Bachelor's Degree in the US (not to mention the SJW crap that has replaced education in the US), when you get a readymade 22 y/o engineer coming to the US from Asia, that is effectively a subsidy of $500K imported into the US.

    50% of Silicon Valley's workforce is Indian and Chinese immigrants. Without them being here, the tech industry would be far more centered in Asia than now.

    Anyway, no one, certainly not Trump, is even remotely interested in curbing skilled, legal immigration.

    that is effectively a subsidy of $500K imported into the US

    One half meeelion dollars!

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  61. @Thomm
    There is no economic case for importing nonwhite immigrants…this includes Asian Legal Immigrants.

    False. There is a tremendous economic benefit to importing highly skilled immigrants (Indians and Chinese are the bulk of these).

    Since it takes $500K+ to educate a child through K-12 and a Bachelor's Degree in the US (not to mention the SJW crap that has replaced education in the US), when you get a readymade 22 y/o engineer coming to the US from Asia, that is effectively a subsidy of $500K imported into the US.

    50% of Silicon Valley's workforce is Indian and Chinese immigrants. Without them being here, the tech industry would be far more centered in Asia than now.

    Anyway, no one, certainly not Trump, is even remotely interested in curbing skilled, legal immigration.

    “There is a tremendous economic benefit to importing highly skilled immigrants ”

    Indians immigrants have done tremendous damage to the US economy because these so called ‘highly skilled immigrants’ are in fact scam artists using fake degrees and credentials. Indian programmers have made a name for themselves as being extremely bad. The reason they got work in the US is because Indians body shops like Infosys, TCS…etc. got contracts from many of the big companies on the premises that they can deliver the same performance than their American counterparts but with much lower cost. Once these companies get the contracts they will hire exclusively Indian immigrants. The thing is that unlike a manufactured product where you can see the quality of the product immediately the many bugs and low quality of the software program will not manifested itself until months or years later. By that time the damage has already been done and these companies move on to prey on the next gullible company and the cycle repeats itself.

    Here is a list of companies ruined by Indians compiled some years ago. I am sure the list is much longer now.

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    Adaptec – Indian CEO Subramanian Sundaresh fired.
    AIG (signed outsourcing deal in 2007 in Europe with Accenture Indian frauds, collapsed in 2009)
    AirBus (Qantas plane plunged 650 feet injuring passengers when its computer system written by India disengaged the auto-pilot).
    Apple – R&D CLOSED in India in 2006.
    Australia’s National Australia Bank (Outsourced jobs to India in 2007, nationwide ATM and account failure in late 2010).
    Bell Labs (Arun Netravalli took over, closed, turned into a shopping mall)
    Boeing Dreamliner ES software (written by HCL, banned by FAA)
    Bristol-Myers-Squibb (Trade Secrets and documents stolen in U.S. by Indian national guest worker)
    Caymas – Startup run by Indian CEO, French director of dev, Chinese tech lead. Closed after 5 years of sucking VC out of America.
    Caterpillar misses earnings a mere 4 months after outsourcing to India, Inc.
    Circuit City – Outsourced all IT to Indian-run IBM and went bankrupt shortly thereafter.
    ComAir crew system run by 100% Indian IT workers caused the 12/25/05 U.S. airport shutdown when they used a short int instead of a long int
    Computer Associates – Former CEO Sanjay Kumar, an Indian national, sentenced to 12 years in federal prison for accounting fraud.
    Deloitte – 2010 – this Indian-packed consulting company is being sued under RICO fraud charges by Marin Country, California for a failed solution.
    Dell – call center (closed in India)
    Delta call centers (closed in India)
    Fannie Mae – Hired large numbers of Indians, had to be bailed out. Indian logic bomb creator found guilty and sent to prison.
    GM – Was booming in 2006, signed $300 million outsourcing deal with Wipro that same year, went bankrupt 3 years later
    HP – Got out of the PC hardware business in 2011 and can’t compete with Apple’s tablets. HP was taken over by Indians and Chinese in 2001. So much for ‘Asian’ talent!
    HSBC ATMs (software taken over by Indians, failed in 2006)
    Intel Whitefield processor project (cancelled, Indian staff canned)
    JetStar Airways computer failure brings down Christchurch airport on 9/17/11. JetStar is owned by Quantas – which is know to have outsourced to India, Inc.
    Lehman (Spectramind software bought by Wipro, ruined, trashed by Indian programmers)
    Medicare – Defrauded by Indian national doctor Arun Sharma & wife in the U.S.
    Microsoft – Employs over 35,000 H-1Bs. Stock used to be $100. Today it’s lucky to be over $25. Not to mention that Vista thing.
    MIT Media Lab Asia (canceled)
    MyNines – A startup founded and run by Indian national Apar Kothari went belly up after throwing millions of America’s VC $ down the drain.
    PeopleSoft (Taken over by Indians in 2000, collapsed).
    PepsiCo – Slides from #1 to #3 during Indian CEO Indra Nooyi’ watch.
    Polycom – Former senior executive Sunil Bhalla charged with insider trading.
    Qantas – See AirBus above
    Quark (Alukah Kamar CEO, fired, lost 60% of its customers to Adobe because Indian-written QuarkExpress 6 was a failure)
    Rolls Royce (Sent aircraft engine work to India in 2006, engines delayed for Boeing 787, and failed on at least 2 Quantas planes in 2010, cost Rolls $500m).
    SAP – Same as Deloitte above in 2010.
    Singapore airlines (IT functions taken over in 2009 by TCS, website trashed in August, 2011)
    Skype (Madhu Yarlagadda fired)
    State of Indiana $867 million FAILED IBM project, IBM being sued
    State of Texas failed IBM project.
    Sun Micro (Taken over by Indian and Chinese workers in 2001, collapsed, had to be sold off to Oracle).
    UK’s NHS outsourced numerous jobs including health records to India in mid-2000 resulting in $26 billion over budget.
    Union Bank of California – Cancelled Finacle project run by India’s InfoSys in 2011.
    United – call center (closed in India)
    Victorian Order of Nurses, Canada (Payroll system screwed up by SAP/IBM in mid-2011)
    Virgin Atlantic (software written in India caused cloud IT failure)
    World Bank (Indian fraudsters BANNED for 3 years because they stole data).

    There is a huge backlash against these fraudsters from people who are in the industry and know what they are talking about:

    http://techinsurgent.com/default.aspx

    http://www.indiots.rocks/

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    Indians immigrants have done tremendous damage to the US economy because these so called ‘highly skilled immigrants’ are in fact scam artists using fake degrees and credentials.

    Wrong. They get graduate degrees in the US. The top MBA programs and engineering programs have a huge presence of Indians. And as Asians, they don't get affirmative action the way blacks and Hispanics and white women do..

    Again, you seem to think all of Indian immigration is H1-Bs, and that all H1-Bs are Indian. This means you don't even know the basics about the subject and lack the IQ to process nuance.

    Indians are the highest-income ethnic group in the US, bar none. This population now has a lot of second and third generation Indians (who of course were born here and went to school here).
  62. The implications of all this for the immigration debate seem pretty straightforward. Yet after about 160 pages arguing that low IQ individuals make their society worse, Jones ends his book by calling for more immigration from poorer countries! His argument: moving people to richer countries is a surefire way to improve their income. To be fair, Jones does also go on to say that in the long run this can degrade the institutions of the receiving countries, but he appears to on balance think that wide scale immigration to the developed world does more good than harm.

    Just another version of “The more useless mouths to feed theory of economics” that economists are in love with because it “raises GDP”. Yes, causing the rest of society to work harder to feed somebody who is likely adding nothing to it does raise GDP but so would me adopting a dog from the pound. The question is, what is more productive?

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  63. @Thomm
    There is no economic case for importing nonwhite immigrants…this includes Asian Legal Immigrants.

    False. There is a tremendous economic benefit to importing highly skilled immigrants (Indians and Chinese are the bulk of these).

    Since it takes $500K+ to educate a child through K-12 and a Bachelor's Degree in the US (not to mention the SJW crap that has replaced education in the US), when you get a readymade 22 y/o engineer coming to the US from Asia, that is effectively a subsidy of $500K imported into the US.

    50% of Silicon Valley's workforce is Indian and Chinese immigrants. Without them being here, the tech industry would be far more centered in Asia than now.

    Anyway, no one, certainly not Trump, is even remotely interested in curbing skilled, legal immigration.

    50% of Silicon Valley’s workforce is Indian and Chinese immigrants. Without them being here, the tech industry would be far more centered in Asia than now.

    BS the great bulk of H-1Bs are doing garbage work that anybody could do. They are only there for the low wages. Half of the Americans who get STEM degrees don’t get jobs in those fields because the wages have stagnated for so long.

    Since it takes $500K+ to educate a child through K-12 and a Bachelor’s Degree in the US (not to mention the SJW crap that has replaced education in the US), when you get a readymade 22 y/o engineer coming to the US from Asia, that is effectively a subsidy of $500K imported into the US.

    Only somebody as ignorant of the situation as an economist could say this. The problem with these immigrants is they are utilized to push Americans already doing those jobs with families to support and mortgages to pay out the door at an early age. It also contributes to the deficit in the tax base due to the overall lowering of wages in that industry.

    Anyway, no one, certainly not Trump, is even remotely interested in curbing skilled, legal immigration.

    Trump has tightened H-1B rules as far as he can but it isn’t enough – the whole scam needs to be killed.

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    BS the great bulk of H-1Bs are doing garbage work that anybody could do.

    H1-Bs are only a small fraction of Indian immigrants. Plus, Indians are only a fraction of H1-Bs (the Russians who come here as Computer Scientists are also on H1-Bs).

    H1-B is not a nationality. I hope you grasp that. I bet you think even the CEOs of Microsoft and Google (both Indian immigrants) are H1-Bs even though they earn $100M/year.

    I agree that H1-B needs to be killed, but that will not dent skilled Asian immigration much, since most of them are not H1-Bs. Again, the CEOs of Microsoft, Google, Adobe, Sandisk, Arista Networks, Mastercard, NetApp, and recently Citigroup and US Airways, were all Indian.

    It also contributes to the deficit in the tax base due to the overall lowering of wages in that industry.

    So you prefer that the job be outsourced to India altogether? You WNs really have low IQs.
  64. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Thomm
    Muslim IQ is 81 and the percentage already drops to ~10%.

    This is fascinating, and shows how inbreeding and social programming can supercede genetics. Genetically, the Middle East is the next closest thing to Europe, after all....

    shows how inbreeding and social programming can supercede genetics

    Social programming has no influence on genetics while inbreeding becomes genetics – which is hereditary.

    Several studies show that children of consanguineous marriages have lower intelligence than children of non-related parents. Research shows that the IQ is 10-16 points lower in children born from related parents and that abilities related to social behavior develops slower in inbred babies.

    http://archive.is/9EvW5

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    Several studies show that children of consanguineous marriages have lower intelligence than children of non-related parents.

    Really? How do you explain the alleged higher IQ of Jews?

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/cousin-marriage-study/#comment-1935052
    By another method W. Stieda found that there were 23.02 per cent per thousand consanguineous marriages among the Jews of Alsace-Lorraine as compared with 8.97 among Catholics and 1.86 among Protestants (“Die Eheschliessungen in Elsass-Lorhringen,” 1872-76, Dorpat, 1878). It would therefore appear that the proportion of first-cousin marriages among Jews is about three times greater than among the non-Jewish population.
     
  65. Humanity owes practically all of its scientific, moral, and technological progress to a small fraction of countries.

    Actually, to an infinitesimally small proportion of the population of certain countries. For example, Trinity College Cambridge has had more Nobel Prize winners than the entire nation of France.

    Even those who believe that it is immoral to prioritize the well-being of one’s fellow citizens

    Such people are idiots whose should shut up or pay the penalty for treason.

    Every human on this planet is the product of more than four billion years of evolution. The probability that they exist at all is infinitesimally small. Only because every one of their ancestors, going back to whatever it was that emerged from the original slime, acted in a way that served the interests of their own progeny is anyone alive today alive. Those who want to commit suicide should do it quietly and alone without jeopardizing their fellow citizens, who have every right and every responsibility to their own posterity to do what it takes to survive, with all that that implies for national sovereignty and opposition to mass replacement immigration.

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    For example, Trinity College Cambridge has had more Nobel Prize winners than the entire nation of France.

    Thank you.

    White Nationalists have nothing in common with successful people than shared ancestry from the European continent. Hence, when a person from Belarus or Poland takes credit for the accomplishments of the West, it is akin to a chihuahua taking credit for the physical abilities or a Great Dane or Irish Wolfhound.

    The fact that 'white nationalists' tend to be woman-worshiping feminists is even worse.

    http://www.antifeministtech.info/2011/04/white-nationalism-is-a-goddess-cult/
    http://www.antifeministtech.info/2011/11/white-nationalists-want-white-women-to-trap-white-women-with-oops-pregnancies/
    , @utu
    For example, Trinity College Cambridge has had more Nobel Prize winners than the entire nation of France.

    Trinity College Cambridge 32

    the entire nation of France 68
  66. @MarkinLA
    50% of Silicon Valley’s workforce is Indian and Chinese immigrants. Without them being here, the tech industry would be far more centered in Asia than now.

    BS the great bulk of H-1Bs are doing garbage work that anybody could do. They are only there for the low wages. Half of the Americans who get STEM degrees don't get jobs in those fields because the wages have stagnated for so long.

    Since it takes $500K+ to educate a child through K-12 and a Bachelor’s Degree in the US (not to mention the SJW crap that has replaced education in the US), when you get a readymade 22 y/o engineer coming to the US from Asia, that is effectively a subsidy of $500K imported into the US.

    Only somebody as ignorant of the situation as an economist could say this. The problem with these immigrants is they are utilized to push Americans already doing those jobs with families to support and mortgages to pay out the door at an early age. It also contributes to the deficit in the tax base due to the overall lowering of wages in that industry.

    Anyway, no one, certainly not Trump, is even remotely interested in curbing skilled, legal immigration.

    Trump has tightened H-1B rules as far as he can but it isn't enough - the whole scam needs to be killed.

    BS the great bulk of H-1Bs are doing garbage work that anybody could do.

    H1-Bs are only a small fraction of Indian immigrants. Plus, Indians are only a fraction of H1-Bs (the Russians who come here as Computer Scientists are also on H1-Bs).

    H1-B is not a nationality. I hope you grasp that. I bet you think even the CEOs of Microsoft and Google (both Indian immigrants) are H1-Bs even though they earn $100M/year.

    I agree that H1-B needs to be killed, but that will not dent skilled Asian immigration much, since most of them are not H1-Bs. Again, the CEOs of Microsoft, Google, Adobe, Sandisk, Arista Networks, Mastercard, NetApp, and recently Citigroup and US Airways, were all Indian.

    It also contributes to the deficit in the tax base due to the overall lowering of wages in that industry.

    So you prefer that the job be outsourced to India altogether? You WNs really have low IQs.

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    "Again, the CEOs of Microsoft, Google, Adobe, Sandisk, Arista Networks, Mastercard, NetApp, and recently Citigroup and US Airways, were all Indian. "

    Indians like to brag about how many managerial positions are held by Indians, how they are the top tier in terms of income earning in the US...etc. Other than that there is not much for Indians to show for it. There should be a study done to see why Indians held so many managerial jobs in big companies.

    When I was in college there were a lot of Indian professors in the engineering and computer science department so I was then under the impression that Indians are smart. But looking at the studies available it is clear that Indians on average have a pretty low IQ. Granted if you have a billion people there are bound to be some very smart people. And these smart people are the ones that occupies professorships in STEM fields.

    Studies from different sources are pretty consistent that point to the fact that Indians have pretty low IQ on average. Whether these are from IQ surveys, PISA test, IMO results, top tier programming contest...etc.

    , @MarkinLA
    but that will not dent skilled Asian immigration much, since most of them are not H1-Bs.

    You know this how? Most of them coming here are H-1Bs, the ones getting Masters are not nearly as many as H-1Bs. Last year only 20K visas were for the so-called "stamp a visa on a Masters" program. As for their brilliance, we had a lot of them at the company I worked at. Many even went to decent schools here like Washington University in St Louis. However, nothing they did here was significant - just run of the mill programming.

    So you prefer that the job be outsourced to India altogether? You WNs really have low IQs.

    The outsourcing fad has peaked. Most people, like the company I worked at, realize that they saved nothing.
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    @Mr. XYZ
    Using Garett Jones's book and evidence, there certainly is an argument to be made in favor of immigration restrictionism from countries whose IQs are unlikely to even come close to reaching Western levels.

    However, ultimately we should focus on transhumanism and on improving people's IQ through things such as genetic engineering and embryo selection for intelligence. Indeed, such things should be free for non-wealthy people in order to prevent wealthy people from being the only ones who could afford these things.

    However, ultimately we should focus on transhumanism and on improving people’s IQ through things such as genetic engineering and embryo selection for intelligence. Indeed, such things should be free for non-wealthy people in order to prevent wealthy people from being the only ones who could afford these things.

    Why do we need genetic alchemy when we can just limit blacks/browns and allow in more yellows?

    We need more of this laundry detergent: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Few8kJ0zfnY

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  68. @DB Cooper
    "There is a tremendous economic benefit to importing highly skilled immigrants "

    Indians immigrants have done tremendous damage to the US economy because these so called 'highly skilled immigrants' are in fact scam artists using fake degrees and credentials. Indian programmers have made a name for themselves as being extremely bad. The reason they got work in the US is because Indians body shops like Infosys, TCS...etc. got contracts from many of the big companies on the premises that they can deliver the same performance than their American counterparts but with much lower cost. Once these companies get the contracts they will hire exclusively Indian immigrants. The thing is that unlike a manufactured product where you can see the quality of the product immediately the many bugs and low quality of the software program will not manifested itself until months or years later. By that time the damage has already been done and these companies move on to prey on the next gullible company and the cycle repeats itself.

    Here is a list of companies ruined by Indians compiled some years ago. I am sure the list is much longer now.

    Adaptec - Indian CEO Subramanian Sundaresh fired.
    AIG (signed outsourcing deal in 2007 in Europe with Accenture Indian frauds, collapsed in 2009)
    AirBus (Qantas plane plunged 650 feet injuring passengers when its computer system written by India disengaged the auto-pilot).
    Apple - R&D CLOSED in India in 2006.
    Australia's National Australia Bank (Outsourced jobs to India in 2007, nationwide ATM and account failure in late 2010).
    Bell Labs (Arun Netravalli took over, closed, turned into a shopping mall)
    Boeing Dreamliner ES software (written by HCL, banned by FAA)
    Bristol-Myers-Squibb (Trade Secrets and documents stolen in U.S. by Indian national guest worker)
    Caymas - Startup run by Indian CEO, French director of dev, Chinese tech lead. Closed after 5 years of sucking VC out of America.
    Caterpillar misses earnings a mere 4 months after outsourcing to India, Inc.
    Circuit City - Outsourced all IT to Indian-run IBM and went bankrupt shortly thereafter.
    ComAir crew system run by 100% Indian IT workers caused the 12/25/05 U.S. airport shutdown when they used a short int instead of a long int
    Computer Associates - Former CEO Sanjay Kumar, an Indian national, sentenced to 12 years in federal prison for accounting fraud.
    Deloitte - 2010 - this Indian-packed consulting company is being sued under RICO fraud charges by Marin Country, California for a failed solution.
    Dell - call center (closed in India)
    Delta call centers (closed in India)
    Fannie Mae - Hired large numbers of Indians, had to be bailed out. Indian logic bomb creator found guilty and sent to prison.
    GM - Was booming in 2006, signed $300 million outsourcing deal with Wipro that same year, went bankrupt 3 years later
    HP - Got out of the PC hardware business in 2011 and can't compete with Apple's tablets. HP was taken over by Indians and Chinese in 2001. So much for 'Asian' talent!
    HSBC ATMs (software taken over by Indians, failed in 2006)
    Intel Whitefield processor project (cancelled, Indian staff canned)
    JetStar Airways computer failure brings down Christchurch airport on 9/17/11. JetStar is owned by Quantas - which is know to have outsourced to India, Inc.
    Lehman (Spectramind software bought by Wipro, ruined, trashed by Indian programmers)
    Medicare - Defrauded by Indian national doctor Arun Sharma & wife in the U.S.
    Microsoft - Employs over 35,000 H-1Bs. Stock used to be $100. Today it's lucky to be over $25. Not to mention that Vista thing.
    MIT Media Lab Asia (canceled)
    MyNines - A startup founded and run by Indian national Apar Kothari went belly up after throwing millions of America's VC $ down the drain.
    PeopleSoft (Taken over by Indians in 2000, collapsed).
    PepsiCo - Slides from #1 to #3 during Indian CEO Indra Nooyi' watch.
    Polycom - Former senior executive Sunil Bhalla charged with insider trading.
    Qantas - See AirBus above
    Quark (Alukah Kamar CEO, fired, lost 60% of its customers to Adobe because Indian-written QuarkExpress 6 was a failure)
    Rolls Royce (Sent aircraft engine work to India in 2006, engines delayed for Boeing 787, and failed on at least 2 Quantas planes in 2010, cost Rolls $500m).
    SAP - Same as Deloitte above in 2010.
    Singapore airlines (IT functions taken over in 2009 by TCS, website trashed in August, 2011)
    Skype (Madhu Yarlagadda fired)
    State of Indiana $867 million FAILED IBM project, IBM being sued
    State of Texas failed IBM project.
    Sun Micro (Taken over by Indian and Chinese workers in 2001, collapsed, had to be sold off to Oracle).
    UK's NHS outsourced numerous jobs including health records to India in mid-2000 resulting in $26 billion over budget.
    Union Bank of California - Cancelled Finacle project run by India's InfoSys in 2011.
    United - call center (closed in India)
    Victorian Order of Nurses, Canada (Payroll system screwed up by SAP/IBM in mid-2011)
    Virgin Atlantic (software written in India caused cloud IT failure)
    World Bank (Indian fraudsters BANNED for 3 years because they stole data).


    There is a huge backlash against these fraudsters from people who are in the industry and know what they are talking about:

    http://techinsurgent.com/default.aspx

    http://www.indiots.rocks/

    Indians immigrants have done tremendous damage to the US economy because these so called ‘highly skilled immigrants’ are in fact scam artists using fake degrees and credentials.

    Wrong. They get graduate degrees in the US. The top MBA programs and engineering programs have a huge presence of Indians. And as Asians, they don’t get affirmative action the way blacks and Hispanics and white women do..

    Again, you seem to think all of Indian immigration is H1-Bs, and that all H1-Bs are Indian. This means you don’t even know the basics about the subject and lack the IQ to process nuance.

    Indians are the highest-income ethnic group in the US, bar none. This population now has a lot of second and third generation Indians (who of course were born here and went to school here).

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    And as Asians, they don’t get affirmative action the way blacks and Hispanics and white women do..

    Not true they are "disadvantaged" for the purpose of government contracting. They get preference for small business loans.
  69. @Anonymous

    Too bad they can’t be sent packing to live among the Somalis they seem to love soooo much.
     
    I feel the same. Others are waking up and the situation will explode one way or another. The decision makers and the opinion makers will have to be tried for treason, eventually. This is the biggest attempted genocide in human history.

    The decision makers and the opinion makers will have to be tried for treason, eventually. This is the biggest attempted genocide in human history.

    we should do what the Jews do, and nationally and collectively support candidates for office, by sending them money

    when Paul Ryan comes up for reelection in 2018, the entire nation should get behind a primary challenger, and toss the creepy Ryan scum out on his arse.

    we need to send a message to the whores in our congress that they can no longer serve the interests of the donor class while betraying the interests of their constituents. But we need to act collectively, like the Jews do. As soon as some politician looks at Israel sideways, the Jews rally to an opponent, sending money and support and doing all they can to ditch the guy or gal who they don’t like. We need to start doing the same thing. We need to get rid of Paul Ryan, as an example to the other whores and traitors. Just like what was done to the maggot Eric Cantor.

    The only thing these miserable rats understand is reelection, and once they feel the wrath of the American people at the voting booth, they’ll start to catch on.

    The donor class is made up of America’s enemies, and want to see us all reduced to third world poverty, so they can lord it over us all even more than they do today. We need to find and fund champions of our cause. We need to get rid of Paul Ryan.

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  70. @CanSpeccy

    Humanity owes practically all of its scientific, moral, and technological progress to a small fraction of countries.
     
    Actually, to an infinitesimally small proportion of the population of certain countries. For example, Trinity College Cambridge has had more Nobel Prize winners than the entire nation of France.


    Even those who believe that it is immoral to prioritize the well-being of one’s fellow citizens
     
    Such people are idiots whose should shut up or pay the penalty for treason.

    Every human on this planet is the product of more than four billion years of evolution. The probability that they exist at all is infinitesimally small. Only because every one of their ancestors, going back to whatever it was that emerged from the original slime, acted in a way that served the interests of their own progeny is anyone alive today alive. Those who want to commit suicide should do it quietly and alone without jeopardizing their fellow citizens, who have every right and every responsibility to their own posterity to do what it takes to survive, with all that that implies for national sovereignty and opposition to mass replacement immigration.

    For example, Trinity College Cambridge has had more Nobel Prize winners than the entire nation of France.

    Thank you.

    White Nationalists have nothing in common with successful people than shared ancestry from the European continent. Hence, when a person from Belarus or Poland takes credit for the accomplishments of the West, it is akin to a chihuahua taking credit for the physical abilities or a Great Dane or Irish Wolfhound.

    The fact that ‘white nationalists’ tend to be woman-worshiping feminists is even worse.

    http://www.antifeministtech.info/2011/04/white-nationalism-is-a-goddess-cult/

    http://www.antifeministtech.info/2011/11/white-nationalists-want-white-women-to-trap-white-women-with-oops-pregnancies/

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    White Nationalists have nothing in common with successful people than shared ancestry from the European continent.
     
    butt-hurt alert
    , @Alden
    Almost all White Nationalists are extremely anti feminazi.
  71. @Rurik

    welfare-leech born in Germany, your best bet to gain respect and punani is crime
     
    the reason the refugees are flooding Europe has nothing to do with compassion, hardly.

    The motivation is pure, visceral, deep-seated hatred for all things white European.

    we know why the Jews are demanding it (tribal hegemony)

    we know why the immigrants come, (they'd be fools not to!)

    what's more of a problem are the white liberals who've somehow been programmed to think of themselves as human urinals, which would be fine I suppose, but more to the point, they expect.. nay, demand, that we all act as human urinals in order to expiate their crushing, other-worldly and unendurable, self-loathing guilt

    http://dailycaller.com/2016/04/06/leftist-norwegian-politician-gets-raped-by-somalian-begs-for-him-not-to-be-deported/

    it's these (often high IQ) white liberals (the Germans that will re-elect Merkel) who doom the rest of us.

    Too bad they can't be sent packing to live among the Somalis they seem to love soooo much.

    I'd pay money to see that!

    it’s these (often high IQ) white liberals (the Germans that will re-elect Merkel) who doom the rest of us.

    White liberals are basically the ladder climbers. People whose self-worth is determined by their social status, salary, what car they drive, etc.

    These are the people most comfortably insulated from the consequences of globalist policies: the overrunning of working class urban districts by people of an alien race, religion and culture; the rising cost of working class housing due to mass immigration; the rise in taxes to cover the cost of infrastructure to accommodate not Europeans but immigrants to Europe.

    Mostly, white liberals work either for the state — in education, healthcare, government or as government contractors, or for globalist corporations who want cheap immigrant labor and the freedom to offshore whatever work they can to the cheap muscle and brains of the Third World.

    Being ladder climbers, white liberals naturally adhere to the state religion of political correctness in which they have been indoctrinated from birth. They know that reproduction as the only sexual vice. They know that opposition to mass replacement immigration is racism.

    The entire moronic system of treasonous belief is held in place with taxes paid by the those who are to be destroyed. Overpaid nonentities are appointed as university presidents, deans, departmental chairs to whom it is well understood that it is more than their job is worth to oppose the state-dictated religion: gender equity (fuck merit); promotion of queerdom and weirddom (the Hell with raising future generations), and all the rest of the treasonous globalist religion of political correctness for the destruction of the sovereign, democratic, nation state.

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    They know that opposition to mass replacement immigration is racism.

    The entire moronic system of treasonous belief is held in place with taxes paid by the those who are to be destroyed.
     

    all true of course

    the only thing I like about white liberals is watching the kvetch over Trump and us irredeemable deplorables

    I hope that Trump gives them every reason for hating him (and us ; ) as much as they do

  72. @Thomm
    There is no economic case for importing nonwhite immigrants…this includes Asian Legal Immigrants.

    False. There is a tremendous economic benefit to importing highly skilled immigrants (Indians and Chinese are the bulk of these).

    Since it takes $500K+ to educate a child through K-12 and a Bachelor's Degree in the US (not to mention the SJW crap that has replaced education in the US), when you get a readymade 22 y/o engineer coming to the US from Asia, that is effectively a subsidy of $500K imported into the US.

    50% of Silicon Valley's workforce is Indian and Chinese immigrants. Without them being here, the tech industry would be far more centered in Asia than now.

    Anyway, no one, certainly not Trump, is even remotely interested in curbing skilled, legal immigration.

    Mr. Thomm

    Your comments expose the naked brutal evil treason of the Libertarian Cucks.

    The Hindus in India would never make an economic case to have themselves race-replaced in the tech field in India with Chinese Legal Immigrants…Nor would the Hindus in India make an economic argument to have themselves race-replaced by Chinese Legal Immigrants in the Engineering Departments across India.

    If the Hindus in India were to wake up one day only to discover that they were racially displaced in the Engineering Profession and Engineering Departments in India by Chinese Legal Immigrants…..race riots would break out across India.

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    • Replies: @Thomm
    Yes, I am libertarian, and proud of it. Talented, capable people tend to be.

    The untalented become Nationalist-Leftists, as you have demonstrated. They are desperate to claim commonality with successful people with whom they have no commonality other than shared European ancestry. Again, this is like a chihuahua claiming to have the abilities of a Great Dane.

    Tons of Western expats come to India, btw. Many Russians live in India. Millions of Bangladeshis come to India as laborers too.

    Engineering is about performance, not race. Indian immigration to the US is the greatest immigrant success story of all time, as they are by far the most successful ethnic group in the US. The entire community earns more than you. They are the CEOs of Microsoft, Google, Adobe, SanDisk, NetApp, MasterCard, PepsiCo, etc....

  73. @War for Blair Mountain
    Mr. Thomm

    Your comments expose the naked brutal evil treason of the Libertarian Cucks.


    The Hindus in India would never make an economic case to have themselves race-replaced in the tech field in India with Chinese Legal Immigrants...Nor would the Hindus in India make an economic argument to have themselves race-replaced by Chinese Legal Immigrants in the Engineering Departments across India.

    If the Hindus in India were to wake up one day only to discover that they were racially displaced in the Engineering Profession and Engineering Departments in India by Chinese Legal Immigrants.....race riots would break out across India.

    Yes, I am libertarian, and proud of it. Talented, capable people tend to be.

    The untalented become Nationalist-Leftists, as you have demonstrated. They are desperate to claim commonality with successful people with whom they have no commonality other than shared European ancestry. Again, this is like a chihuahua claiming to have the abilities of a Great Dane.

    Tons of Western expats come to India, btw. Many Russians live in India. Millions of Bangladeshis come to India as laborers too.

    Engineering is about performance, not race. Indian immigration to the US is the greatest immigrant success story of all time, as they are by far the most successful ethnic group in the US. The entire community earns more than you. They are the CEOs of Microsoft, Google, Adobe, SanDisk, NetApp, MasterCard, PepsiCo, etc….

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    Indian immigration to the US is the greatest immigrant success story of all time, as they are by far the most successful ethnic group in the US. The entire community earns more than you
     
    and when it comes to hiring time, or promotion time, or that cherished slot at the university, they too will receive Affirmative Action preference over your impoverished white arse

    how dare you not want more of these first class citizens in your country to take your jobs and university slots!

    here's some news for ya, 'libertarian Thomm'..

    white nationalists don't think or act like they're all Da Vincis or Aristotles just because they're white

    but they do understand that collectively, the non-whites of this nation are coalescing into a powerful political anti-white-male juggernaut that is determined to use that political power to further marginalize and disenfranchise the beleaguered working class white male even more so than they already are.

    Do you remember when the singularly execrable former Commerce Secretary Robert Reich demanded that no stimulus money made its way to any "white construction workers"?

    you see we understand that we working and middle class whites are intended to pay the lion's share of the taxes, but then when it comes to dispersing the largess from those taxes, we also understand that we've been slated for contempt, if anything in return for our sweat and toil. And we're a little bit beyond being lectured by namby-pamby smug types telling us its all for our own good.

    Most of the Indians I know, I like. But I;m also quite aware of how one family in particular, somehow qualified for a very generous government program that allowed them to purchase some very lucrative hotels, and they've done quite well for themselves, but I wonder, if they had been white, would the fecal government have been quite so generous...

    , @MarkinLA
    Yes, I am libertarian, and proud of it.

    Well that explains the profound stupidity and inability to see reality. Being the CEO of a company they did not build means nothing. What great companies in the US did these fabulous Indians build?
    , @War for Blair Mountain
    That you are a treasonous White Libertarian Cuck was obvious. And that you are a liar is also obvious.

    Hindu legal immigration is a success story...if you the think Hindu colonization of America's Engineering...Scientific.... Medical labor markets is the desired and intended goal of Hindu Legal Immigrant Policy.

    Your comments are just more evidence of White Cuck Libertarian Treason....Greed...and Hatred of The Historic Native Born White American Majority Working Class.

    Now about your mendacity:Just google as many images as you can of India's Engineering College Faculties...Graduate Students...Undergraduates....looks all Hindu-Sihk to me.


    How did the Historic Native Born White American Majority Working Class ever manage to survive when there were hardly any Hindu-Sihks in America?...Answer:VERY WELL THANKYOU!!!....As in 1969 America=demographically 90 percent Native Born White American that placed two Alpha Native Born White American Males with advanced engineering degrees on the Moon...10 more after that!!

    White Libertarian Cucks are constituted from the most rancid of character traits:GREED... NARCISSM....PSYCHOPATHY....CUCKHOLDERY....

  74. @CanSpeccy

    it’s these (often high IQ) white liberals (the Germans that will re-elect Merkel) who doom the rest of us.
     
    White liberals are basically the ladder climbers. People whose self-worth is determined by their social status, salary, what car they drive, etc.

    These are the people most comfortably insulated from the consequences of globalist policies: the overrunning of working class urban districts by people of an alien race, religion and culture; the rising cost of working class housing due to mass immigration; the rise in taxes to cover the cost of infrastructure to accommodate not Europeans but immigrants to Europe.

    Mostly, white liberals work either for the state — in education, healthcare, government or as government contractors, or for globalist corporations who want cheap immigrant labor and the freedom to offshore whatever work they can to the cheap muscle and brains of the Third World.

    Being ladder climbers, white liberals naturally adhere to the state religion of political correctness in which they have been indoctrinated from birth. They know that reproduction as the only sexual vice. They know that opposition to mass replacement immigration is racism.

    The entire moronic system of treasonous belief is held in place with taxes paid by the those who are to be destroyed. Overpaid nonentities are appointed as university presidents, deans, departmental chairs to whom it is well understood that it is more than their job is worth to oppose the state-dictated religion: gender equity (fuck merit); promotion of queerdom and weirddom (the Hell with raising future generations), and all the rest of the treasonous globalist religion of political correctness for the destruction of the sovereign, democratic, nation state.

    They know that opposition to mass replacement immigration is racism.

    The entire moronic system of treasonous belief is held in place with taxes paid by the those who are to be destroyed.

    all true of course

    the only thing I like about white liberals is watching the kvetch over Trump and us irredeemable deplorables

    I hope that Trump gives them every reason for hating him (and us ; ) as much as they do

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    the only thing I like about white liberals is watching the kvetch over Trump and us irredeemable deplorables
     
    I suspect the white liberals will have the last laugh.

    Trump is surely a globalist. He's just giving the white working class a bit of slack to prevent the system unwinding before EuroAmericans become not just a minority but one of the smaller minorities in the country that their ancestors built and fought for — except in the backwoods, where whites will be treated as primitives needing to be firmly policed by the likes of Mohammed Noor.

  75. @Thomm
    For example, Trinity College Cambridge has had more Nobel Prize winners than the entire nation of France.

    Thank you.

    White Nationalists have nothing in common with successful people than shared ancestry from the European continent. Hence, when a person from Belarus or Poland takes credit for the accomplishments of the West, it is akin to a chihuahua taking credit for the physical abilities or a Great Dane or Irish Wolfhound.

    The fact that 'white nationalists' tend to be woman-worshiping feminists is even worse.

    http://www.antifeministtech.info/2011/04/white-nationalism-is-a-goddess-cult/
    http://www.antifeministtech.info/2011/11/white-nationalists-want-white-women-to-trap-white-women-with-oops-pregnancies/

    White Nationalists have nothing in common with successful people than shared ancestry from the European continent.

    butt-hurt alert

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    butt-hurt alert

    If you are talking about yourself and other WNs, yes, you are correct in describing how you feel.

    Most of you have failed to address my straightforward points.
  76. @Thomm
    BS the great bulk of H-1Bs are doing garbage work that anybody could do.

    H1-Bs are only a small fraction of Indian immigrants. Plus, Indians are only a fraction of H1-Bs (the Russians who come here as Computer Scientists are also on H1-Bs).

    H1-B is not a nationality. I hope you grasp that. I bet you think even the CEOs of Microsoft and Google (both Indian immigrants) are H1-Bs even though they earn $100M/year.

    I agree that H1-B needs to be killed, but that will not dent skilled Asian immigration much, since most of them are not H1-Bs. Again, the CEOs of Microsoft, Google, Adobe, Sandisk, Arista Networks, Mastercard, NetApp, and recently Citigroup and US Airways, were all Indian.

    It also contributes to the deficit in the tax base due to the overall lowering of wages in that industry.

    So you prefer that the job be outsourced to India altogether? You WNs really have low IQs.

    “Again, the CEOs of Microsoft, Google, Adobe, Sandisk, Arista Networks, Mastercard, NetApp, and recently Citigroup and US Airways, were all Indian. ”

    Indians like to brag about how many managerial positions are held by Indians, how they are the top tier in terms of income earning in the US…etc. Other than that there is not much for Indians to show for it. There should be a study done to see why Indians held so many managerial jobs in big companies.

    When I was in college there were a lot of Indian professors in the engineering and computer science department so I was then under the impression that Indians are smart. But looking at the studies available it is clear that Indians on average have a pretty low IQ. Granted if you have a billion people there are bound to be some very smart people. And these smart people are the ones that occupies professorships in STEM fields.

    Studies from different sources are pretty consistent that point to the fact that Indians have pretty low IQ on average. Whether these are from IQ surveys, PISA test, IMO results, top tier programming contest…etc.

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    Studies from different sources are pretty consistent that point to the fact that Indians have pretty low IQ on average. Whether these are from IQ surveys, PISA test, IMO results, top tier programming contest…etc.

    Well, 20% of 1.7 billion people (counting all of the Subcontinent) is still 340M people. Much more than the number of white Americans.

    Plus, the IQ point is much weaker than you think, given the GDP growth point I posed above.

    The IQ fetishists just cannot explain why any country has economic growth. If a country's per capita GDP grew by 3% last year, did its IQ rise over last year?
    , @Lin
    The most common form of Indian nationalism is hindu nationalism. And 'hinduism' is basically segregation/caste system that aims to keep the upper castes/Brahmins in elevated position. You're a dalit sewage 'diver'? Well, too bad, you had done evil in your previous lives, so here you're reincarnated into 'untouchable' misery. It's called 'dharmic spirituality'. Whatever good for the Brahmins/upper-castes would be considered good for the Indians, and without doubt, India is probably the most elitist country on Earth. Since the brown Aryan Brahmins always consider themselves sun tanned cousins of white Aryans and America is a wealthy country, so the majority of the more educated Brahmins want to immigrate to US(IT work is a good route), even it's obviously 'Brain Drain' detrimental to the well being of India and the average Indians.

    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQgwVqKkNagqFWl-MnDHrYJtGHY-G7Y7ORPk_PgpPhsLPRuCVo2

  77. @Rurik

    White Nationalists have nothing in common with successful people than shared ancestry from the European continent.
     
    butt-hurt alert

    butt-hurt alert

    If you are talking about yourself and other WNs, yes, you are correct in describing how you feel.

    Most of you have failed to address my straightforward points.

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  78. @Thomm
    There is no economic case for importing nonwhite immigrants…this includes Asian Legal Immigrants.

    False. There is a tremendous economic benefit to importing highly skilled immigrants (Indians and Chinese are the bulk of these).

    Since it takes $500K+ to educate a child through K-12 and a Bachelor's Degree in the US (not to mention the SJW crap that has replaced education in the US), when you get a readymade 22 y/o engineer coming to the US from Asia, that is effectively a subsidy of $500K imported into the US.

    50% of Silicon Valley's workforce is Indian and Chinese immigrants. Without them being here, the tech industry would be far more centered in Asia than now.

    Anyway, no one, certainly not Trump, is even remotely interested in curbing skilled, legal immigration.

    50% of Silicon Valley’s workforce is Indian and Chinese immigrants. Without them being here, the tech industry would be far more centered in Asia than now.

    Either that, or there’d be a Hell of a lot more incentive for American kids to study hard subjects and become masters of technology and engineering as Americans used to be in the age of the Bell Labs, the Manhattan Project, and Apollo.

    Unfortunately, the children of those great pioneers in technology seem all to have been absorbed into the self-genocidal politically correct culture of today’s, moribund Euro-America population.

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    there’d be a Hell of a lot more incentive for American kids to study hard subjects and become masters of technology and engineering

    The biggest thing discouraging Americans from STEM is feminism. Note that anyone raised by a single mother will never consider STEM as a career.

    In the meantime, tons of $150K+ software engineering jobs in Silicon Valley go unfilled.... Too many Americans majored in 'Women's Studies'.
  79. @Rurik

    They know that opposition to mass replacement immigration is racism.

    The entire moronic system of treasonous belief is held in place with taxes paid by the those who are to be destroyed.
     

    all true of course

    the only thing I like about white liberals is watching the kvetch over Trump and us irredeemable deplorables

    I hope that Trump gives them every reason for hating him (and us ; ) as much as they do

    the only thing I like about white liberals is watching the kvetch over Trump and us irredeemable deplorables

    I suspect the white liberals will have the last laugh.

    Trump is surely a globalist. He’s just giving the white working class a bit of slack to prevent the system unwinding before EuroAmericans become not just a minority but one of the smaller minorities in the country that their ancestors built and fought for — except in the backwoods, where whites will be treated as primitives needing to be firmly policed by the likes of Mohammed Noor.

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    I suspect the white liberals will have the last laugh.

    Trump is surely a globalist.
     
    perhaps, but most of the ones I know live in all white hamlets, college towns. Places like Austin, TX or Boulder, CO. Vermont or Rhode Island, Maine and Seattle. When these places get their taste of diversity but good, then the whites there will not be laughing so much.
  80. @Thomm
    Yes, I am libertarian, and proud of it. Talented, capable people tend to be.

    The untalented become Nationalist-Leftists, as you have demonstrated. They are desperate to claim commonality with successful people with whom they have no commonality other than shared European ancestry. Again, this is like a chihuahua claiming to have the abilities of a Great Dane.

    Tons of Western expats come to India, btw. Many Russians live in India. Millions of Bangladeshis come to India as laborers too.

    Engineering is about performance, not race. Indian immigration to the US is the greatest immigrant success story of all time, as they are by far the most successful ethnic group in the US. The entire community earns more than you. They are the CEOs of Microsoft, Google, Adobe, SanDisk, NetApp, MasterCard, PepsiCo, etc....

    Indian immigration to the US is the greatest immigrant success story of all time, as they are by far the most successful ethnic group in the US. The entire community earns more than you

    and when it comes to hiring time, or promotion time, or that cherished slot at the university, they too will receive Affirmative Action preference over your impoverished white arse

    how dare you not want more of these first class citizens in your country to take your jobs and university slots!

    here’s some news for ya, ‘libertarian Thomm’..

    white nationalists don’t think or act like they’re all Da Vincis or Aristotles just because they’re white

    but they do understand that collectively, the non-whites of this nation are coalescing into a powerful political anti-white-male juggernaut that is determined to use that political power to further marginalize and disenfranchise the beleaguered working class white male even more so than they already are.

    Do you remember when the singularly execrable former Commerce Secretary Robert Reich demanded that no stimulus money made its way to any “white construction workers”?

    you see we understand that we working and middle class whites are intended to pay the lion’s share of the taxes, but then when it comes to dispersing the largess from those taxes, we also understand that we’ve been slated for contempt, if anything in return for our sweat and toil. And we’re a little bit beyond being lectured by namby-pamby smug types telling us its all for our own good.

    Most of the Indians I know, I like. But I;m also quite aware of how one family in particular, somehow qualified for a very generous government program that allowed them to purchase some very lucrative hotels, and they’ve done quite well for themselves, but I wonder, if they had been white, would the fecal government have been quite so generous…

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    The fact that you don't even know that sentences start with capital letters proves my point :

    The Nationalist-Leftist is to successful whites what a pygmy in the Congo is to Usain Bolt (in terms of athletic abilities).

    Or what a chihuahua is to a Grey Wolf.

    No wonder successful whites are diligent about keep white nationalists out of the corridors of power.
  81. @CanSpeccy

    Humanity owes practically all of its scientific, moral, and technological progress to a small fraction of countries.
     
    Actually, to an infinitesimally small proportion of the population of certain countries. For example, Trinity College Cambridge has had more Nobel Prize winners than the entire nation of France.


    Even those who believe that it is immoral to prioritize the well-being of one’s fellow citizens
     
    Such people are idiots whose should shut up or pay the penalty for treason.

    Every human on this planet is the product of more than four billion years of evolution. The probability that they exist at all is infinitesimally small. Only because every one of their ancestors, going back to whatever it was that emerged from the original slime, acted in a way that served the interests of their own progeny is anyone alive today alive. Those who want to commit suicide should do it quietly and alone without jeopardizing their fellow citizens, who have every right and every responsibility to their own posterity to do what it takes to survive, with all that that implies for national sovereignty and opposition to mass replacement immigration.

    For example, Trinity College Cambridge has had more Nobel Prize winners than the entire nation of France.

    Trinity College Cambridge 32

    the entire nation of France 68

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    Glad to see you're right on the ball as usual, Utu.

    Actually, I meant science Nobel Prizes. And even there I was in error. The numbers are, approximately anyhow, Trinity College Cambridge 28, France 32.

    I got my information from a brother in law who graduated from Trinity College back in the 60's when the numbers were, I assume (since I was getting them from a Trinity scholar), in Trinity's favor.

    But Cambridge is now a trendy, politically correct sort of place, with admissions quotas, a business school, and Institute for Sustainability Leadership and other unscholarly appendages, which perhaps explains why Trinity has had only one Nobel Prize winner in the sciences in the last 19 years, and that by Venkatraman Ramakrishnan for "unraveling the structure of the ribosome."

  82. @Anonymous

    shows how inbreeding and social programming can supercede genetics
     
    Social programming has no influence on genetics while inbreeding becomes genetics - which is hereditary.

    Several studies show that children of consanguineous marriages have lower intelligence than children of non-related parents. Research shows that the IQ is 10-16 points lower in children born from related parents and that abilities related to social behavior develops slower in inbred babies.
     
    http://archive.is/9EvW5

    Several studies show that children of consanguineous marriages have lower intelligence than children of non-related parents.

    Really? How do you explain the alleged higher IQ of Jews?

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/cousin-marriage-study/#comment-1935052
    By another method W. Stieda found that there were 23.02 per cent per thousand consanguineous marriages among the Jews of Alsace-Lorraine as compared with 8.97 among Catholics and 1.86 among Protestants (“Die Eheschliessungen in Elsass-Lorhringen,” 1872-76, Dorpat, 1878). It would therefore appear that the proportion of first-cousin marriages among Jews is about three times greater than among the non-Jewish population.

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    How do you explain the alleged higher IQ of Jews?
     
    Jewish propaganda. The average IQ in Israel is 95. Even if we discount the Arabs (20% of the population at 83-84 IQ) the Jews score only 98 IQ points on average.

    http://archive.is/z2yxc
  83. @Thomm
    This type of analysis appeals to simple minds. In reality, IQ is a very poor measure that has only a very loose correlation to economic growth. This is because :

    1) It is politically impossible to show women as less smart than men, so IQ tests were retrofitted to show women earning the same average score as men. This, despite the fact that 100% (perhaps 110% or more if you account for female obstruction) of all progress is done by men. Black men are more productive than white women, even today.

    Any 'IQ by race' bloviating assumes that white women produced half of all white innovation. Since white nationalists tend to be woman-worshipping feminists, they display their shortcomings thusly.

    2) How do you account for GDP growth? If a country grew by 3% last year, did its IQ grow by 3%? If India in 2017 has the same per capita prosperity as Poland in 1995 or Russia in 2002, then were Poland and Russia low-IQ just 22 and 15 years ago respectively? GDP growth is something these IQ nerdlings don't think about, as it destroys their simple-minded analysis.

    In reality, India in 2017 is at the same prosperity level as :

    Ukraine in 2013
    China in 2007
    Russia in 2002
    Poland in 1995
    South Korea in 1990

    Within thousand of years of human historical record, being 4-27 years behind supposedly high-IQ countries is not evidence of some vast immutable difference.

    Similarly, Mexico of 2017 is about where France was in 1980 and where Spain was in 1990.... You get the idea.

    IQ as relates to GDP is only useful insofar as being one more indicator to explain the totality of black failure. Outside of blacks, it has limited use..

    This type of analysis appeals to simple minds.

    Because it is done for propaganda reasons and has not much to do with any science. Richard Lynn is propagandists not a scientist.

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  84. @CanSpeccy

    the only thing I like about white liberals is watching the kvetch over Trump and us irredeemable deplorables
     
    I suspect the white liberals will have the last laugh.

    Trump is surely a globalist. He's just giving the white working class a bit of slack to prevent the system unwinding before EuroAmericans become not just a minority but one of the smaller minorities in the country that their ancestors built and fought for — except in the backwoods, where whites will be treated as primitives needing to be firmly policed by the likes of Mohammed Noor.

    I suspect the white liberals will have the last laugh.

    Trump is surely a globalist.

    perhaps, but most of the ones I know live in all white hamlets, college towns. Places like Austin, TX or Boulder, CO. Vermont or Rhode Island, Maine and Seattle. When these places get their taste of diversity but good, then the whites there will not be laughing so much.

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  85. @CanSpeccy

    50% of Silicon Valley’s workforce is Indian and Chinese immigrants. Without them being here, the tech industry would be far more centered in Asia than now.
     
    Either that, or there'd be a Hell of a lot more incentive for American kids to study hard subjects and become masters of technology and engineering as Americans used to be in the age of the Bell Labs, the Manhattan Project, and Apollo.

    Unfortunately, the children of those great pioneers in technology seem all to have been absorbed into the self-genocidal politically correct culture of today's, moribund Euro-America population.

    there’d be a Hell of a lot more incentive for American kids to study hard subjects and become masters of technology and engineering

    The biggest thing discouraging Americans from STEM is feminism. Note that anyone raised by a single mother will never consider STEM as a career.

    In the meantime, tons of $150K+ software engineering jobs in Silicon Valley go unfilled…. Too many Americans majored in ‘Women’s Studies’.

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    thomn Silicon Valley does not want White Americans. I suggest you take a trip to California and check out the parking lots of the tech companies at 8 am and 5-7pm. You will hardly see a White person.

    Or go to any medical building or hospital and you will see Asian, Indian, Persian abd Muslim names but few American ones.

    Is there a college nearby? I live near UCLA on the science and engineering and medical campus you will see very few Whites.

    It's not because White men want to take cr*pology studies but because the laws of affirmative action forbid the universities from accepting them.
    This is 2017, not 1957 when there was merit college admissions and hiring.

    Affirmative action discrimination rules every aspect of American life, especially higher education and the tech industry which is determined not to hire Whites.

    Any White man who thinks he is a genius who can overcome affirmative action is ignorant of everything that's happened in America since 1964.
    , @MarkinLA
    In the meantime, tons of $150K+ software engineering jobs in Silicon Valley go unfilled….

    If you really believe this then it is obvious you are a libertarian because only they could be stupid enough to believe corporate propaganda.
  86. @DB Cooper
    "Again, the CEOs of Microsoft, Google, Adobe, Sandisk, Arista Networks, Mastercard, NetApp, and recently Citigroup and US Airways, were all Indian. "

    Indians like to brag about how many managerial positions are held by Indians, how they are the top tier in terms of income earning in the US...etc. Other than that there is not much for Indians to show for it. There should be a study done to see why Indians held so many managerial jobs in big companies.

    When I was in college there were a lot of Indian professors in the engineering and computer science department so I was then under the impression that Indians are smart. But looking at the studies available it is clear that Indians on average have a pretty low IQ. Granted if you have a billion people there are bound to be some very smart people. And these smart people are the ones that occupies professorships in STEM fields.

    Studies from different sources are pretty consistent that point to the fact that Indians have pretty low IQ on average. Whether these are from IQ surveys, PISA test, IMO results, top tier programming contest...etc.

    Studies from different sources are pretty consistent that point to the fact that Indians have pretty low IQ on average. Whether these are from IQ surveys, PISA test, IMO results, top tier programming contest…etc.

    Well, 20% of 1.7 billion people (counting all of the Subcontinent) is still 340M people. Much more than the number of white Americans.

    Plus, the IQ point is much weaker than you think, given the GDP growth point I posed above.

    The IQ fetishists just cannot explain why any country has economic growth. If a country’s per capita GDP grew by 3% last year, did its IQ rise over last year?

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    I'm not sure you know what you're talking about. I've worked at two engineering companies with some Indian imports and they get hired not because, as you say, they are geniuses wrapped in brown skin, but because they work for 1/3 of the salary of the average white American with similar credentials. This labor savings helps fatten the bottom line of the company.

    I've been told it takes them 2-3 times as long to complete projects in drafting and mechanical & electrical engineering and often times their work has to be corrected by white American males who you seem to think are a lesser breed than the Indians.

    There are exceptions, of course, and it seems those Indians that were born in and/or educated in the U.S. have competency levels approaching, but rarely exceeding, above average white males. I don't know why but that's been my personal experience. Most of H1B types are next to worthless and I suspect they obtain their educational credentials from Indian diploma mills.

    How come tech support in India reads of cue cards instead of being able to understand and troubleshoot a product if they're all so smart and educated in STEM?


    Well, 20% of 1.7 billion people (counting all of the Subcontinent) is still 340M people. Much more than the number of white Americans.
     
    Then why is India a third world country and why do large numbers of their citizens wish to emigrate to the West? You would think with that much brainpower they could lift India out of third world status.

    Are you Indian or a self hating, diversity worshipping white male?

  87. @Anonymous

    Quite, and so his argument has nothing to say about what IQ the offspring of low IQ immigrants to the US will have.
     
    The US already knows the result. Many generations ago, the country imported large numbers of Africans and East Asians. Both groups were treated as dirt at the beginning but their trajectories couldn't have been more different. East Asians (high IQ) became successful and productive while the African stock (low IQ) is mired in poverty, crime and resentment.

    You're deliberately blinding yourself to the truth. Even a Medieval peasant could see that his pigs, dogs and children were inheriting their parents' traits.

    The medieval peasants knew a lot more about heredity than our greatest idiot intellectuals do today.

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    Yup, it's completely crazy. They'll concede that a kid will inherit eyes, hair, nose and skin but any mention of brain will short-circuit their own brains. Their minds suddenly close like a fist.
  88. This DIVERSITY argument got it upside down.

    It wasn’t Diversity that made the West great. It was unity and solidarity, which become frayed with diversity.

    After all, the US became a superpower BEFORE the mass immigration beginning in 1965.
    And UK was a great power before any non-white immigration.
    And Japan and Germany became giant economies without or before immigration.

    Instead of diversity making those nations rich, it was their richness that attracted diversity.

    After all, if whites had utterly failed to build an economy and stable order in the US, would diverse peoples from all over the world want to go there?

    No one comes to the US or any Western nation for diversity. They go there for the wealth and success and rule of law. After all, if diversity is the main attraction, why shouldn’t immigrants choose Brazil or Venezuela over Canada or Australia? Surely, Latin American nations are more diverse. And why are people running from diverse North Africa to white Sweden? Sweden is cold and has long winters and is still less diverse than North Africa. So, why do people go there if diversity is utopia? Because Sweden is rich and better-run than most societies(until diversity ruins everything).

    Diversity didn’t make America. America attracts diversity because it’s rich. That’s it.

    It’s like a tree. If a tree grows big, it produces lots of fruits. Fruits attract monkeys. Monkeys didn’t make the fruits. The tree did. The monkeys just came to feed on the fruits. It would be fallacious to say ‘Monkeys lead to Big Tree with Fruits’. The tree is tall and hanging with fruits not because of the monkeys. No, the monkey climbed the tree because the fruits were already there. Tree made the fruits, and monkeys came to feed on the fruits. Likewise, diversity didn’t make America. Diversity came to feed on America.

    The real formula for the success of the US was already developed in Northern Europe. America was essentially the extension of the Northern European people, values, culture, and formula. (Later, other Europeans remolded themselves to conform to the Northern Model.) It was unity and solidarity of these peoples and principles that made America. Diversity had nothing to do with it.

    Imagine an alternative founding of the US. Suppose America was settled by every ethnic group in the world in equal representation. So, if the world has, say, 200 ethnic groups, each people compromise only 0.5% of first Americans. So, the first Americans are a crazy quilt of all 200 ethnic groups from Europe, Africa, Middle East, Asia, etc. It’s truly diverse. Would this kind of nation have amounted to anything? Of course not. But PC diversity freaks would us believe that diversity is the reason for America’s riches and power. It’s just a BS excuse to feed on whitey. By invoking diversity, even peoples who had NOTHING to with American success lay claim on America because they are part of ‘diversity’.

    Because America is now diverse, PC pushes the fallacy that the US is rich and powerful because of diversity. So, we are to believe diversity is the reason for success of America. In fact, Diversity came to feed on the success created by white unity and solidarity. Diversity is Our Parasite.

    Now, one can make a case for blacks and their contribution of labor to the economy. But blacks were only useful when they listened to whitey who knew better. Once blacks got ‘uppity’ and insisted on doing it their way, they messed city after city. And in the end, blacks took far more than gave to the US with their uppity parasitism.

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    Asians (Indians, Chinese, etc.) don't get affirmative action. They dominate Silicon Valley because they studied STEM as kids.

    The single biggest affirmative action force-feed in Silicon Valley is for women CEOs (white women CEOs). All of whom are failures..


    No one is robbing white men more than white women. Since white nationalism is really just feminism and woman-worship, they don't see this.
  89. @Thomm
    there’d be a Hell of a lot more incentive for American kids to study hard subjects and become masters of technology and engineering

    The biggest thing discouraging Americans from STEM is feminism. Note that anyone raised by a single mother will never consider STEM as a career.

    In the meantime, tons of $150K+ software engineering jobs in Silicon Valley go unfilled.... Too many Americans majored in 'Women's Studies'.

    thomn Silicon Valley does not want White Americans. I suggest you take a trip to California and check out the parking lots of the tech companies at 8 am and 5-7pm. You will hardly see a White person.

    Or go to any medical building or hospital and you will see Asian, Indian, Persian abd Muslim names but few American ones.

    Is there a college nearby? I live near UCLA on the science and engineering and medical campus you will see very few Whites.

    It’s not because White men want to take cr*pology studies but because the laws of affirmative action forbid the universities from accepting them.
    This is 2017, not 1957 when there was merit college admissions and hiring.

    Affirmative action discrimination rules every aspect of American life, especially higher education and the tech industry which is determined not to hire Whites.

    Any White man who thinks he is a genius who can overcome affirmative action is ignorant of everything that’s happened in America since 1964.

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  90. @Rurik

    Indian immigration to the US is the greatest immigrant success story of all time, as they are by far the most successful ethnic group in the US. The entire community earns more than you
     
    and when it comes to hiring time, or promotion time, or that cherished slot at the university, they too will receive Affirmative Action preference over your impoverished white arse

    how dare you not want more of these first class citizens in your country to take your jobs and university slots!

    here's some news for ya, 'libertarian Thomm'..

    white nationalists don't think or act like they're all Da Vincis or Aristotles just because they're white

    but they do understand that collectively, the non-whites of this nation are coalescing into a powerful political anti-white-male juggernaut that is determined to use that political power to further marginalize and disenfranchise the beleaguered working class white male even more so than they already are.

    Do you remember when the singularly execrable former Commerce Secretary Robert Reich demanded that no stimulus money made its way to any "white construction workers"?

    you see we understand that we working and middle class whites are intended to pay the lion's share of the taxes, but then when it comes to dispersing the largess from those taxes, we also understand that we've been slated for contempt, if anything in return for our sweat and toil. And we're a little bit beyond being lectured by namby-pamby smug types telling us its all for our own good.

    Most of the Indians I know, I like. But I;m also quite aware of how one family in particular, somehow qualified for a very generous government program that allowed them to purchase some very lucrative hotels, and they've done quite well for themselves, but I wonder, if they had been white, would the fecal government have been quite so generous...

    The fact that you don’t even know that sentences start with capital letters proves my point :

    The Nationalist-Leftist is to successful whites what a pygmy in the Congo is to Usain Bolt (in terms of athletic abilities).

    Or what a chihuahua is to a Grey Wolf.

    No wonder successful whites are diligent about keep white nationalists out of the corridors of power.

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    ad homonym refuge of the intellectually bereft
    , @Alden
    Reading your posts it's obvious you are not an American and have never been to America, especially our universities and tech centers. Your ignorance of America, affirmative action and our tech industry is obvious in every word you write.

    For instance, Nationalism is not leftist. It is rightist and conservative. In America globalism and affirmative action discrimination against White Americans, gay marriage, trans gender operations paid by the taxpayers, all those things are leftist.

    In America nationalism is conservative. If you were an American, had ever visited here or even read American publications you would know that.
  91. HIVE MIND: How Third-World Immigration Into the West Threatens Prosperity and Progress for the Whole World

    Oh cut it out.

    The whole world’s biggest problems have long been “first world” meddling everywhere.

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  92. @songbird
    Tribal-level warfare has a much higher kill percentage.

    You claim to be worried about 10 murders… but only in order to dismiss 10 million murders.

    Besides, how many nuclear tribal wars? Chemical warfare, at least? Unfortunately for the dead, you are deeply wrong. Mass extermination can only be carried out by a handful.

    Granted, I am not racist. I do not even believe “race” exists. So I have no doubt that any nation could commit the mass exterminations. My observation is simply that “could” is different than “has”.

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    Genghis Khan killed at least 40 million. All he had were bows and arrows, swords and spears. He killed so many that vast areas of Central Asia went back to forest.
    , @MarkinLA
    Besides, how many nuclear tribal wars? Chemical warfare, at least? Unfortunately for the dead, you are deeply wrong. Mass extermination can only be carried out by a handful.

    His point was about percentages. You do know what a percentage is don't you? Nobody knows what happened in Mesoamerica when the Aztecs were sacrificing their captured enemies by pulling their beating hearts out of their chests. What was the percentage of the other tribes left after the Aztecs were done with them. Of course nobody knows what percentage of the Crow and Cheyenne were killed when the Lakota moved down from Canada and into the Black Hills and pushed them out. Of course, this has happened in every place and every continent. Blaming the west because they had a better means of killing as you seem to do doesn't make any sense. Do you think for one minute that if the Aztecs had perfected a crossbow that they wouldn't have used it to wipe out every tribe surrounding them who were limited to clubs laced with sharpened obsidian blades.

    Granted, I am not racist.

    Blah, blah, blah, That says more about you than you know, and it really isn't complimentary.
    , @Daniel Chieh
    So, if population genetics don't exist, why do Tibetans have larger lungs and hearts? Why do white people have white skin, for that matter?
  93. @Thomm
    For example, Trinity College Cambridge has had more Nobel Prize winners than the entire nation of France.

    Thank you.

    White Nationalists have nothing in common with successful people than shared ancestry from the European continent. Hence, when a person from Belarus or Poland takes credit for the accomplishments of the West, it is akin to a chihuahua taking credit for the physical abilities or a Great Dane or Irish Wolfhound.

    The fact that 'white nationalists' tend to be woman-worshiping feminists is even worse.

    http://www.antifeministtech.info/2011/04/white-nationalism-is-a-goddess-cult/
    http://www.antifeministtech.info/2011/11/white-nationalists-want-white-women-to-trap-white-women-with-oops-pregnancies/

    Almost all White Nationalists are extremely anti feminazi.

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    @utu
    Several studies show that children of consanguineous marriages have lower intelligence than children of non-related parents.

    Really? How do you explain the alleged higher IQ of Jews?

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/cousin-marriage-study/#comment-1935052
    By another method W. Stieda found that there were 23.02 per cent per thousand consanguineous marriages among the Jews of Alsace-Lorraine as compared with 8.97 among Catholics and 1.86 among Protestants (“Die Eheschliessungen in Elsass-Lorhringen,” 1872-76, Dorpat, 1878). It would therefore appear that the proportion of first-cousin marriages among Jews is about three times greater than among the non-Jewish population.
     

    How do you explain the alleged higher IQ of Jews?

    Jewish propaganda. The average IQ in Israel is 95. Even if we discount the Arabs (20% of the population at 83-84 IQ) the Jews score only 98 IQ points on average.

    http://archive.is/z2yxc

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  95. @Thomm
    The fact that you don't even know that sentences start with capital letters proves my point :

    The Nationalist-Leftist is to successful whites what a pygmy in the Congo is to Usain Bolt (in terms of athletic abilities).

    Or what a chihuahua is to a Grey Wolf.

    No wonder successful whites are diligent about keep white nationalists out of the corridors of power.

    ad homonym refuge of the intellectually bereft

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  96. @Thomm
    BS the great bulk of H-1Bs are doing garbage work that anybody could do.

    H1-Bs are only a small fraction of Indian immigrants. Plus, Indians are only a fraction of H1-Bs (the Russians who come here as Computer Scientists are also on H1-Bs).

    H1-B is not a nationality. I hope you grasp that. I bet you think even the CEOs of Microsoft and Google (both Indian immigrants) are H1-Bs even though they earn $100M/year.

    I agree that H1-B needs to be killed, but that will not dent skilled Asian immigration much, since most of them are not H1-Bs. Again, the CEOs of Microsoft, Google, Adobe, Sandisk, Arista Networks, Mastercard, NetApp, and recently Citigroup and US Airways, were all Indian.

    It also contributes to the deficit in the tax base due to the overall lowering of wages in that industry.

    So you prefer that the job be outsourced to India altogether? You WNs really have low IQs.

    but that will not dent skilled Asian immigration much, since most of them are not H1-Bs.

    You know this how? Most of them coming here are H-1Bs, the ones getting Masters are not nearly as many as H-1Bs. Last year only 20K visas were for the so-called “stamp a visa on a Masters” program. As for their brilliance, we had a lot of them at the company I worked at. Many even went to decent schools here like Washington University in St Louis. However, nothing they did here was significant – just run of the mill programming.

    So you prefer that the job be outsourced to India altogether? You WNs really have low IQs.

    The outsourcing fad has peaked. Most people, like the company I worked at, realize that they saved nothing.

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    @Alden
    The medieval peasants knew a lot more about heredity than our greatest idiot intellectuals do today.

    Yup, it’s completely crazy. They’ll concede that a kid will inherit eyes, hair, nose and skin but any mention of brain will short-circuit their own brains. Their minds suddenly close like a fist.

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  98. @songbird
    It's difficult to prove or disprove. I think the answer definitely isn't unifactorial. But I do believe cold would tend to improve IQ selectively, provided the right prerequisites were met, such as population size and economic complexity.

    Consider the year 1740, which was especially cold. Known as the "Great Frost." In Ireland it was called "The Great Slaughter." It is estimated 38% of the population died. It was probably just bad luck for most. But, still, it would have killed more who were poor than rich. And the rich would have tended to be slightly smarter. Bad harvests caused by cold used to occur every few decades. That would theoretically be enough to create a IQ gradient.

    I think there were many other factors as well. Horses, other draft animals and navigable rivers may have made people smarter by allowing greater economic complexity. Think of the Ashkenazi. If they had been in the pre-Columbian New World, there wouldn't have been any money for them to lend and trade would have been much more difficult.

    Heat may have had a limiting effect. Think about how high the mortality of mothers during childbirth used to be. Now imagine the mother had a malarial fever and the baby's head was just slightly bigger than average.

    Mortality of mothers after childbirth was due to one reason, infection. It was called puerperal fever, a massive infection that killed the mothers a few days or even a couple weeks after birth.

    When a woman becomes pregnant her immune system goes way, way down so as to avoid rejection of the fetus. Birth causes rips and tears so bacteria gets in and can kill the mother. It takes a few days.

    Until Louis Pastuer discovered germs midwives and Drs didn’t even wash their hands when delivering babies. Once they heard about germs and began washing their hands infection and puerperal fever and child birth deaths plummeted.

    A head slightly larger than usual? Nonsense, woman have given birth to 14 pd babies and survived. Come to think of it, giving birth while sick wouldn’t be so bad. It would just add a bit more pain.

    Commenters should really, really comment about things with which they are familiar.

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    Part of the trouble of giving birth is actually giving birth. That's where C-sections came from, obviously.

    Malaria isn't like the sniffles. It's killed millions and continues to kill large numbers of people, and unless you're using DDT it's (like many African diseases) vector born. So clean hands, isn't going to do much in that regard.

    Head size is related to hip size, for obvious reasons. Blacks, on average, have smaller skulls and narrower hips. Women have different hips than men, for a reason, namely the very narrow-hipped ones died. It's called evolution.

  99. @Thomm
    Indians immigrants have done tremendous damage to the US economy because these so called ‘highly skilled immigrants’ are in fact scam artists using fake degrees and credentials.

    Wrong. They get graduate degrees in the US. The top MBA programs and engineering programs have a huge presence of Indians. And as Asians, they don't get affirmative action the way blacks and Hispanics and white women do..

    Again, you seem to think all of Indian immigration is H1-Bs, and that all H1-Bs are Indian. This means you don't even know the basics about the subject and lack the IQ to process nuance.

    Indians are the highest-income ethnic group in the US, bar none. This population now has a lot of second and third generation Indians (who of course were born here and went to school here).

    And as Asians, they don’t get affirmative action the way blacks and Hispanics and white women do..

    Not true they are “disadvantaged” for the purpose of government contracting. They get preference for small business loans.

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    • Replies: @Thomm
    Not true they are “disadvantaged” for the purpose of government contracting. They get preference for small business loans.

    No, they don't. You will have to provide an official government source to prove that.

    You might be thinking of Native Americans, who are also incorrectly called 'Indians', but are not from India.
    , @Rurik

    Not true they are “disadvantaged” for the purpose of government contracting. They get preference for small business loans.
     
    yep, and more too

    I own a small business, and I get asked to fill out forms all the time asking me if I'm any kind of minority and how many minorities work for me and how many minority vendors do I buy supplies from.. ad nauseam.

    And it isn't just blacks or women, but browns and Asians and everything you could think of, so long as it's not (the evil, racist) white male.

    And it isn't just big corporations but municipalities and government agencies of all types

    there's a veritable orgy of anti-White male discrimination going on, and all of it codified in law and promoted by the federal government.

    and we officially discriminated-against white males are supposed to stand by like psychological castrati and applaud massive immigration of people who we're going to have to get in line behind for jobs and promotions and everything else, as if we're really that f'n stupid.

    alas, it seems many (libertarians) actually are!

  100. @Thomm
    The fact that you don't even know that sentences start with capital letters proves my point :

    The Nationalist-Leftist is to successful whites what a pygmy in the Congo is to Usain Bolt (in terms of athletic abilities).

    Or what a chihuahua is to a Grey Wolf.

    No wonder successful whites are diligent about keep white nationalists out of the corridors of power.

    Reading your posts it’s obvious you are not an American and have never been to America, especially our universities and tech centers. Your ignorance of America, affirmative action and our tech industry is obvious in every word you write.

    For instance, Nationalism is not leftist. It is rightist and conservative. In America globalism and affirmative action discrimination against White Americans, gay marriage, trans gender operations paid by the taxpayers, all those things are leftist.

    In America nationalism is conservative. If you were an American, had ever visited here or even read American publications you would know that.

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  101. @Thomm
    Yes, I am libertarian, and proud of it. Talented, capable people tend to be.

    The untalented become Nationalist-Leftists, as you have demonstrated. They are desperate to claim commonality with successful people with whom they have no commonality other than shared European ancestry. Again, this is like a chihuahua claiming to have the abilities of a Great Dane.

    Tons of Western expats come to India, btw. Many Russians live in India. Millions of Bangladeshis come to India as laborers too.

    Engineering is about performance, not race. Indian immigration to the US is the greatest immigrant success story of all time, as they are by far the most successful ethnic group in the US. The entire community earns more than you. They are the CEOs of Microsoft, Google, Adobe, SanDisk, NetApp, MasterCard, PepsiCo, etc....

    Yes, I am libertarian, and proud of it.

    Well that explains the profound stupidity and inability to see reality. Being the CEO of a company they did not build means nothing. What great companies in the US did these fabulous Indians build?

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    • Replies: @Thomm
    Being the CEO of a company they did not build means nothing.

    What a stupid statement. Like becoming the CEO of Microsoft or Google at age 45 from a different culture is not an accomplishment. Especially since you are an underachieving ne'er do well like all Nationalist-Leftists are..

    Anyway, Indians only came here recently, yet still founded companies like Sun Microsystems, Juniper Networks, Bose, etc.

    As you have proven, white nationalists tend to have negro IQs.
  102. @Thomm
    there’d be a Hell of a lot more incentive for American kids to study hard subjects and become masters of technology and engineering

    The biggest thing discouraging Americans from STEM is feminism. Note that anyone raised by a single mother will never consider STEM as a career.

    In the meantime, tons of $150K+ software engineering jobs in Silicon Valley go unfilled.... Too many Americans majored in 'Women's Studies'.

    In the meantime, tons of $150K+ software engineering jobs in Silicon Valley go unfilled….

    If you really believe this then it is obvious you are a libertarian because only they could be stupid enough to believe corporate propaganda.

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    • Replies: @Thomm
    In the meantime, tons of $150K+ software engineering jobs in Silicon Valley go unfilled….

    If you really believe this then it is obvious you are a libertarian because only they could be stupid enough to believe corporate propaganda.

    It is true. Anyone with direct experience in Silicon Valley knows this. The typical WN is far too low of a cognitive level to have such direct exposure, of course.

    There are tons of $150K+ software engineering jobs that are unfilled. This is obvious across individual hiring managers on LinkedIn too (with ubiquitious "We are hiring developers and coders" taglines in their profiles).

  103. @Thomm
    This type of analysis appeals to simple minds. In reality, IQ is a very poor measure that has only a very loose correlation to economic growth. This is because :

    1) It is politically impossible to show women as less smart than men, so IQ tests were retrofitted to show women earning the same average score as men. This, despite the fact that 100% (perhaps 110% or more if you account for female obstruction) of all progress is done by men. Black men are more productive than white women, even today.

    Any 'IQ by race' bloviating assumes that white women produced half of all white innovation. Since white nationalists tend to be woman-worshipping feminists, they display their shortcomings thusly.

    2) How do you account for GDP growth? If a country grew by 3% last year, did its IQ grow by 3%? If India in 2017 has the same per capita prosperity as Poland in 1995 or Russia in 2002, then were Poland and Russia low-IQ just 22 and 15 years ago respectively? GDP growth is something these IQ nerdlings don't think about, as it destroys their simple-minded analysis.

    In reality, India in 2017 is at the same prosperity level as :

    Ukraine in 2013
    China in 2007
    Russia in 2002
    Poland in 1995
    South Korea in 1990

    Within thousand of years of human historical record, being 4-27 years behind supposedly high-IQ countries is not evidence of some vast immutable difference.

    Similarly, Mexico of 2017 is about where France was in 1980 and where Spain was in 1990.... You get the idea.

    IQ as relates to GDP is only useful insofar as being one more indicator to explain the totality of black failure. Outside of blacks, it has limited use..

    IQ and technology by race assumesWhite women invented half the achievements of the White race?

    You are out of your mind. Even the most fervent feminazis don’t claim that. Except for Mme. Curie, Watson’s assistant and Mrs Butterick, no one claims White woman are credited with half the accomplishments of the White race.

    Like your other comments, this one doesn’t make sense.

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  104. @MarkinLA
    And as Asians, they don’t get affirmative action the way blacks and Hispanics and white women do..

    Not true they are "disadvantaged" for the purpose of government contracting. They get preference for small business loans.

    Not true they are “disadvantaged” for the purpose of government contracting. They get preference for small business loans.

    No, they don’t. You will have to provide an official government source to prove that.

    You might be thinking of Native Americans, who are also incorrectly called ‘Indians’, but are not from India.

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  105. @Thomm
    Yes, I am libertarian, and proud of it. Talented, capable people tend to be.

    The untalented become Nationalist-Leftists, as you have demonstrated. They are desperate to claim commonality with successful people with whom they have no commonality other than shared European ancestry. Again, this is like a chihuahua claiming to have the abilities of a Great Dane.

    Tons of Western expats come to India, btw. Many Russians live in India. Millions of Bangladeshis come to India as laborers too.

    Engineering is about performance, not race. Indian immigration to the US is the greatest immigrant success story of all time, as they are by far the most successful ethnic group in the US. The entire community earns more than you. They are the CEOs of Microsoft, Google, Adobe, SanDisk, NetApp, MasterCard, PepsiCo, etc....

    That you are a treasonous White Libertarian Cuck was obvious. And that you are a liar is also obvious.

    Hindu legal immigration is a success story…if you the think Hindu colonization of America’s Engineering…Scientific…. Medical labor markets is the desired and intended goal of Hindu Legal Immigrant Policy.

    Your comments are just more evidence of White Cuck Libertarian Treason….Greed…and Hatred of The Historic Native Born White American Majority Working Class.

    Now about your mendacity:Just google as many images as you can of India’s Engineering College Faculties…Graduate Students…Undergraduates….looks all Hindu-Sihk to me.

    How did the Historic Native Born White American Majority Working Class ever manage to survive when there were hardly any Hindu-Sihks in America?…Answer:VERY WELL THANKYOU!!!….As in 1969 America=demographically 90 percent Native Born White American that placed two Alpha Native Born White American Males with advanced engineering degrees on the Moon…10 more after that!!

    White Libertarian Cucks are constituted from the most rancid of character traits:GREED… NARCISSM….PSYCHOPATHY….CUCKHOLDERY….

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    That you are a treasonous White Libertarian Cuck was obvious.

    More projection. It is WNs that are cucks, since they don't have the balls to confront women about their betrayal of the white race.

    A white nationalist is just an underachiever who wants intra-white socialism. They get pissed when successful whites see these 'white nationalists' for what they are : moochers who want a free ride off of better whites.

    This is why there is so much in common between white nationalism and feminism.
  106. @LauraMR
    You claim to be worried about 10 murders... but only in order to dismiss 10 million murders.

    Besides, how many nuclear tribal wars? Chemical warfare, at least? Unfortunately for the dead, you are deeply wrong. Mass extermination can only be carried out by a handful.

    Granted, I am not racist. I do not even believe "race" exists. So I have no doubt that any nation could commit the mass exterminations. My observation is simply that "could" is different than "has".

    Genghis Khan killed at least 40 million. All he had were bows and arrows, swords and spears. He killed so many that vast areas of Central Asia went back to forest.

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  107. Mass immigration is the rich world’s way of continuing to plunder from the developing world. During colonialism they stole the poor country’s natural resources, today they steal their human resources.

    Think about it, how will poor countries develop if they continue to lose their best brains, young and able? Who are left behind to run the country but the stupid, crooked, corrupt, criminal, sick, very old and very young? Rich countries plunder the human resources from these poor countries while hiding behind the PC facade of multiculturalism, as if they are doing these poor countries a favor, when in fact it’s the 1% in the rich countries reaping all the reward — the poor countries suffer because they lose their best brains and their young and able body, while the 99% in the rich country have to compete with the whole world for jobs, education, housing, and to hang on to their culture and way of life.

    The rich will always find ways to cling to their wealth and power. Mass immigration to the rich world is the 21st century equivalent of colonial plundering, it makes the rich richer by growing their customer base and their labor supply, and they’ve bought up the media to champion their cause as not just right but good for everybody, when in fact it’s bad for most everyone except themselves.

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  108. @Priss Factor
    This DIVERSITY argument got it upside down.

    It wasn't Diversity that made the West great. It was unity and solidarity, which become frayed with diversity.

    After all, the US became a superpower BEFORE the mass immigration beginning in 1965.
    And UK was a great power before any non-white immigration.
    And Japan and Germany became giant economies without or before immigration.

    Instead of diversity making those nations rich, it was their richness that attracted diversity.

    After all, if whites had utterly failed to build an economy and stable order in the US, would diverse peoples from all over the world want to go there?

    No one comes to the US or any Western nation for diversity. They go there for the wealth and success and rule of law. After all, if diversity is the main attraction, why shouldn't immigrants choose Brazil or Venezuela over Canada or Australia? Surely, Latin American nations are more diverse. And why are people running from diverse North Africa to white Sweden? Sweden is cold and has long winters and is still less diverse than North Africa. So, why do people go there if diversity is utopia? Because Sweden is rich and better-run than most societies(until diversity ruins everything).

    Diversity didn't make America. America attracts diversity because it's rich. That's it.

    It's like a tree. If a tree grows big, it produces lots of fruits. Fruits attract monkeys. Monkeys didn't make the fruits. The tree did. The monkeys just came to feed on the fruits. It would be fallacious to say 'Monkeys lead to Big Tree with Fruits'. The tree is tall and hanging with fruits not because of the monkeys. No, the monkey climbed the tree because the fruits were already there. Tree made the fruits, and monkeys came to feed on the fruits. Likewise, diversity didn't make America. Diversity came to feed on America.

    The real formula for the success of the US was already developed in Northern Europe. America was essentially the extension of the Northern European people, values, culture, and formula. (Later, other Europeans remolded themselves to conform to the Northern Model.) It was unity and solidarity of these peoples and principles that made America. Diversity had nothing to do with it.

    Imagine an alternative founding of the US. Suppose America was settled by every ethnic group in the world in equal representation. So, if the world has, say, 200 ethnic groups, each people compromise only 0.5% of first Americans. So, the first Americans are a crazy quilt of all 200 ethnic groups from Europe, Africa, Middle East, Asia, etc. It's truly diverse. Would this kind of nation have amounted to anything? Of course not. But PC diversity freaks would us believe that diversity is the reason for America's riches and power. It's just a BS excuse to feed on whitey. By invoking diversity, even peoples who had NOTHING to with American success lay claim on America because they are part of 'diversity'.

    Because America is now diverse, PC pushes the fallacy that the US is rich and powerful because of diversity. So, we are to believe diversity is the reason for success of America. In fact, Diversity came to feed on the success created by white unity and solidarity. Diversity is Our Parasite.

    Now, one can make a case for blacks and their contribution of labor to the economy. But blacks were only useful when they listened to whitey who knew better. Once blacks got 'uppity' and insisted on doing it their way, they messed city after city. And in the end, blacks took far more than gave to the US with their uppity parasitism.

    Asians (Indians, Chinese, etc.) don’t get affirmative action. They dominate Silicon Valley because they studied STEM as kids.

    The single biggest affirmative action force-feed in Silicon Valley is for women CEOs (white women CEOs). All of whom are failures..

    No one is robbing white men more than white women. Since white nationalism is really just feminism and woman-worship, they don’t see this.

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  109. @MarkinLA
    Yes, I am libertarian, and proud of it.

    Well that explains the profound stupidity and inability to see reality. Being the CEO of a company they did not build means nothing. What great companies in the US did these fabulous Indians build?

    Being the CEO of a company they did not build means nothing.

    What a stupid statement. Like becoming the CEO of Microsoft or Google at age 45 from a different culture is not an accomplishment. Especially since you are an underachieving ne’er do well like all Nationalist-Leftists are..

    Anyway, Indians only came here recently, yet still founded companies like Sun Microsystems, Juniper Networks, Bose, etc.

    As you have proven, white nationalists tend to have negro IQs.

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    • Replies: @War for Blair Mountain
    Since you can't give The Historic Native Born White American Majority Working Class any reasons why they should tolerate importing legally the highly racialized Hindu Fifth Column....POTUS Kamala Harris's Democratic Party Voting Bloc....You shouldn't be shocked when 1)Hindu Legal Immigration is shut down to 0....

    This is not a debatable issue:there is no economic case for race-replacing The Historic Native Born White American Majority Working Class...Race-Replacement is categorically rejected!!!!!

    , @Avery
    {Anyway, Indians only came here recently, yet still founded companies like Sun Microsystems, Juniper Networks, Bose, etc.}

    Every immigrant who has succeeded in America - including Indians who only came here recently - has succeeded because America was founded by Europeans: mainly Anglo-Saxon stock; English common law, Magna Carta, Greek Democracy, Roman Senate,....Western, Christian Civilization

    If e.g. Mr. Khosla had stayed in his native India, he would be just another well-to-do middle class Indian. He succeeded fabulously in US in large part thanks to the Europeans who created the environment where smart, hard working immigrants like Mr. Kholsa could thrive.

    The fact that Indians who only came here recently - emphasis on came here recently - is proof enough that if they had stayed in their native s____ hole, they'd amount to nothing to very little.

    So say "Thank you, Thank you very much" to people who originally founded this country and established the laws and the systems under which immigrants -like myself - can make the best of their abilities.

    If Indians were such hot s____, they wouldn't be wallowing in abject misery and poverty in their own country.
    , @MarkinLA
    Indians who do found companies in the US found me-too companies, Jupiter networks was just a poor copy of Cisco. They are not creating anything that wasn't already here.
  110. @LauraMR
    You claim to be worried about 10 murders... but only in order to dismiss 10 million murders.

    Besides, how many nuclear tribal wars? Chemical warfare, at least? Unfortunately for the dead, you are deeply wrong. Mass extermination can only be carried out by a handful.

    Granted, I am not racist. I do not even believe "race" exists. So I have no doubt that any nation could commit the mass exterminations. My observation is simply that "could" is different than "has".

    Besides, how many nuclear tribal wars? Chemical warfare, at least? Unfortunately for the dead, you are deeply wrong. Mass extermination can only be carried out by a handful.

    His point was about percentages. You do know what a percentage is don’t you? Nobody knows what happened in Mesoamerica when the Aztecs were sacrificing their captured enemies by pulling their beating hearts out of their chests. What was the percentage of the other tribes left after the Aztecs were done with them. Of course nobody knows what percentage of the Crow and Cheyenne were killed when the Lakota moved down from Canada and into the Black Hills and pushed them out. Of course, this has happened in every place and every continent. Blaming the west because they had a better means of killing as you seem to do doesn’t make any sense. Do you think for one minute that if the Aztecs had perfected a crossbow that they wouldn’t have used it to wipe out every tribe surrounding them who were limited to clubs laced with sharpened obsidian blades.

    Granted, I am not racist.

    Blah, blah, blah, That says more about you than you know, and it really isn’t complimentary.

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  111. @MarkinLA
    And as Asians, they don’t get affirmative action the way blacks and Hispanics and white women do..

    Not true they are "disadvantaged" for the purpose of government contracting. They get preference for small business loans.

    Not true they are “disadvantaged” for the purpose of government contracting. They get preference for small business loans.

    yep, and more too

    I own a small business, and I get asked to fill out forms all the time asking me if I’m any kind of minority and how many minorities work for me and how many minority vendors do I buy supplies from.. ad nauseam.

    And it isn’t just blacks or women, but browns and Asians and everything you could think of, so long as it’s not (the evil, racist) white male.

    And it isn’t just big corporations but municipalities and government agencies of all types

    there’s a veritable orgy of anti-White male discrimination going on, and all of it codified in law and promoted by the federal government.

    and we officially discriminated-against white males are supposed to stand by like psychological castrati and applaud massive immigration of people who we’re going to have to get in line behind for jobs and promotions and everything else, as if we’re really that f’n stupid.

    alas, it seems many (libertarians) actually are!

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  112. @Citizen of a Silly Country

    I repeat, the advanced sectors of the West, including every single geneticist willing to go public, disagree with the idea that that average IQ differences between groups like nations are genetically fixed, and this rejection of hereditarian / genetic explanations is accelerating apace with scientific finding and discoveries consistent with hereditarian /genetic explanations being correct.
     
    No mystery here. We live in a quasi-theocracy where the belief in equality is akin to believing in God. Going against that religion threatens everything you value in life - family, relationships, employment, etc. Is it any wonder that people find any and every way to either convince themselves of the validity of this religion or, barring that, just keep their mouths shut.

    IQ is due to genetics and environment. As far as where it tilts, that is for up for intense debate.

    “We live in a quasi-theocracy where the belief in equality is akin to believing in God.”

    The belief in equality was stated by Thomas Jefferson–”All men are equal”.

    “Going against that religion threatens everything you value in life – family, relationships, employment, etc.”

    That is Fake News.

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    @Thomm
    False. India is relatively safe for its poverty level (much safer than, say, Mexico or Russia), with centuries of art, music, literature, and science. It reached the iron age long before Europe did.

    Indians in the US are the highest income group in the US, bar none. And no, they are not 'higher caste' Indians. Indians who emigrate to the US are specifically not wealthy in India. They are 'educated but poor'.

    Your knowledge of India is virtually zero.

    But even from your own point, India's GDP per capita is only 10-25 years behind many countries that you consider civilized. India and Ukraine are almost equal. Since India does not have natural resources like oil, the fact that their GDP is only a few years behind those countries I listed is evidence that this IQ-GDP correlation is highly flawed, and certainly does not account for economic growth.

    Again, if a country's economy grew by 3%, 4%, or 5% per capita in a single year, did its IQ increase? This is a question that appears too sophisticated for the typical white nationalist...

    Thomm, you are obviously an Indian and is taking this argument personally.

    Nice of you to throw in Mexico even though it wasn’t on your first list and they don’t have a high IQ.

    But I stand by what I said. All of those countries are safer and more civilized than India in any time period. Just look at how India treats it’s women even now. Again, you just need to walk around in any of those countries and meet people (in any time period) and it will be immediately obvious. India resembles Africa more than it does Europe or Asia.

    The art, literature, and science was done by high IQ Indians which shows that India has capable people. But does nothing to refute that India has a low iq on average.

    Indians in America have high income, but also a high IQ which IQ tests have shown. And yes, it is because most Indians who immigrate to the West are the high iq types and not the 82 iq type.

    Of course if gdp goes up a few percentage points, it doesn’t mean that IQ went up as well. I am starting to think you are one of those 82 iq Indians since you can’t comprehend this. But GDP is a good proxy for IQ. There is no cause and effect. That’s all people are saying.

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  114. @Thomm
    False. India is relatively safe for its poverty level (much safer than, say, Mexico or Russia), with centuries of art, music, literature, and science. It reached the iron age long before Europe did.

    Indians in the US are the highest income group in the US, bar none. And no, they are not 'higher caste' Indians. Indians who emigrate to the US are specifically not wealthy in India. They are 'educated but poor'.

    Your knowledge of India is virtually zero.

    But even from your own point, India's GDP per capita is only 10-25 years behind many countries that you consider civilized. India and Ukraine are almost equal. Since India does not have natural resources like oil, the fact that their GDP is only a few years behind those countries I listed is evidence that this IQ-GDP correlation is highly flawed, and certainly does not account for economic growth.

    Again, if a country's economy grew by 3%, 4%, or 5% per capita in a single year, did its IQ increase? This is a question that appears too sophisticated for the typical white nationalist...

    [Choose a single handle and stick with it. Using multiple handles to hide your identity may cause all your future comments to be summarily trashed.]

    It’s really quite curious. All through Southeast Asia in countries like Malaysia and Singapore where there are sizable numbers of Indians and Chinese and no affirmative action to prop them up, the Indians either work for the Chinese or rob them for a living. In fact throughout Asia Indians are seen as either criminals or bullshit artists and often live in abject poverty. Only in the US are they hailed as “best and brightest”, why? Because Jews love them, they have dark skin tone like blacks but a little smarter, and speak better English than the Chinese. Since Jews run our academia, media, Wall Street, Silicon Valley, you see Indians being propped up in these places. They hate the Chinese because the Chinese are real competition. Indians are easily brainwashed, case in point:

    Prominent Indian-Americans are also the most vocal anti-Trumpers, from politicians like Kamala Harris, Kshama Sawant, Jayapal Pramila, to comedians/actors like Aziz Ansari, Hasan Minhaj, Kumail Nanjani(the idiot in HBO’s Silicon Valley), to Calexit pusher VC Shervin Pishevar, Google CEO Sundar Pichai…all are big time socialist libtard Trump-haters. If they had any brain they would know it’s socialism that F’ed up India. Meanwhile, Trump’s ambassador to the UN Nikki Haley should just be renamed *Israel’s* ambassador to the UN, you just can’t find a bigger Israel lover than Nikki Haley. It’s just a matter of time before that low IQ pitbull gets us into another war on behalf of Israel.

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  115. Thomm, you are obviously an Indian and is taking this argument personally.

    Nope. I am a white American from a Great Lakes metro. I just find Indians to have been much better immigrants than any other type, having contributed far more than they have taken. Again, I am going by the standard metrics of household income, education level, and violent crime rate.

    I strongly oppose immigration by blacks, Muslims, etc. based on those same metrics.

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  116. @War for Blair Mountain
    That you are a treasonous White Libertarian Cuck was obvious. And that you are a liar is also obvious.

    Hindu legal immigration is a success story...if you the think Hindu colonization of America's Engineering...Scientific.... Medical labor markets is the desired and intended goal of Hindu Legal Immigrant Policy.

    Your comments are just more evidence of White Cuck Libertarian Treason....Greed...and Hatred of The Historic Native Born White American Majority Working Class.

    Now about your mendacity:Just google as many images as you can of India's Engineering College Faculties...Graduate Students...Undergraduates....looks all Hindu-Sihk to me.


    How did the Historic Native Born White American Majority Working Class ever manage to survive when there were hardly any Hindu-Sihks in America?...Answer:VERY WELL THANKYOU!!!....As in 1969 America=demographically 90 percent Native Born White American that placed two Alpha Native Born White American Males with advanced engineering degrees on the Moon...10 more after that!!

    White Libertarian Cucks are constituted from the most rancid of character traits:GREED... NARCISSM....PSYCHOPATHY....CUCKHOLDERY....

    That you are a treasonous White Libertarian Cuck was obvious.

    More projection. It is WNs that are cucks, since they don’t have the balls to confront women about their betrayal of the white race.

    A white nationalist is just an underachiever who wants intra-white socialism. They get pissed when successful whites see these ‘white nationalists’ for what they are : moochers who want a free ride off of better whites.

    This is why there is so much in common between white nationalism and feminism.

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    No it's the White Libertarian Cucks such as you who are the CUCKS...The Alt Right rejects the extension of China's...India's...Korea's.....Pakistan's....Iran's genelines into Native Born White American Living and Breeding Space....this is the antithesis of Cuckholdery.

    As far as your accusation that Socialism=Feminism....This claim only demonstrates just what a fringe movement the Libertarian Movement is:think the Cucked aging National Review Readership reading the collected columns of William F Cuckely sitting in their rocking chairs in front of the fireplace wearing old granny dresses...think Richard Brookhieser...and Bill Cuckley jr....

  117. @Thomm
    Being the CEO of a company they did not build means nothing.

    What a stupid statement. Like becoming the CEO of Microsoft or Google at age 45 from a different culture is not an accomplishment. Especially since you are an underachieving ne'er do well like all Nationalist-Leftists are..

    Anyway, Indians only came here recently, yet still founded companies like Sun Microsystems, Juniper Networks, Bose, etc.

    As you have proven, white nationalists tend to have negro IQs.

    Since you can’t give The Historic Native Born White American Majority Working Class any reasons why they should tolerate importing legally the highly racialized Hindu Fifth Column….POTUS Kamala Harris’s Democratic Party Voting Bloc….You shouldn’t be shocked when 1)Hindu Legal Immigration is shut down to 0….

    This is not a debatable issue:there is no economic case for race-replacing The Historic Native Born White American Majority Working Class…Race-Replacement is categorically rejected!!!!!

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    importing legally the highly racialized Hindu Fifth Column….

    What planet do you live on? Hindus are not Muslims.. (I hope even you know that much)..

    Plus they aren't engaged in espionage for their government like the Chinese are.

    The fact is, successful white people know that white nationalists are just moochers who want intra-white socialism. That is why successful whites keep white nationalists on the margins. There is a reason people like you are called 'wiggers'.
  118. @MarkinLA
    In the meantime, tons of $150K+ software engineering jobs in Silicon Valley go unfilled….

    If you really believe this then it is obvious you are a libertarian because only they could be stupid enough to believe corporate propaganda.

    In the meantime, tons of $150K+ software engineering jobs in Silicon Valley go unfilled….

    If you really believe this then it is obvious you are a libertarian because only they could be stupid enough to believe corporate propaganda.

    It is true. Anyone with direct experience in Silicon Valley knows this. The typical WN is far too low of a cognitive level to have such direct exposure, of course.

    There are tons of $150K+ software engineering jobs that are unfilled. This is obvious across individual hiring managers on LinkedIn too (with ubiquitious “We are hiring developers and coders” taglines in their profiles).

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    Like I said you are stupid enough to believe something you read. The open job listings are part of the H-1B scam.
  119. @War for Blair Mountain
    Since you can't give The Historic Native Born White American Majority Working Class any reasons why they should tolerate importing legally the highly racialized Hindu Fifth Column....POTUS Kamala Harris's Democratic Party Voting Bloc....You shouldn't be shocked when 1)Hindu Legal Immigration is shut down to 0....

    This is not a debatable issue:there is no economic case for race-replacing The Historic Native Born White American Majority Working Class...Race-Replacement is categorically rejected!!!!!

    importing legally the highly racialized Hindu Fifth Column….

    What planet do you live on? Hindus are not Muslims.. (I hope even you know that much)..

    Plus they aren’t engaged in espionage for their government like the Chinese are.

    The fact is, successful white people know that white nationalists are just moochers who want intra-white socialism. That is why successful whites keep white nationalists on the margins. There is a reason people like you are called ‘wiggers’.

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  120. @Thomm
    That you are a treasonous White Libertarian Cuck was obvious.

    More projection. It is WNs that are cucks, since they don't have the balls to confront women about their betrayal of the white race.

    A white nationalist is just an underachiever who wants intra-white socialism. They get pissed when successful whites see these 'white nationalists' for what they are : moochers who want a free ride off of better whites.

    This is why there is so much in common between white nationalism and feminism.

    No it’s the White Libertarian Cucks such as you who are the CUCKS…The Alt Right rejects the extension of China’s…India’s…Korea’s…..Pakistan’s….Iran’s genelines into Native Born White American Living and Breeding Space….this is the antithesis of Cuckholdery.

    As far as your accusation that Socialism=Feminism….This claim only demonstrates just what a fringe movement the Libertarian Movement is:think the Cucked aging National Review Readership reading the collected columns of William F Cuckely sitting in their rocking chairs in front of the fireplace wearing old granny dresses…think Richard Brookhieser…and Bill Cuckley jr….

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    As far as your accusation that Socialism=Feminism….

    At least you admitted that white nationalism is a socialist movement. But it is a feminist movement as well, since it is a goddess cult (despite being a sausage fest that repels white women and drives them into the arms of blacks and Muslims).

    There is a reason why successful whites reject intra-white socialism. We don't subsidize moochers like you. Go out and get a job, loser.
  121. @War for Blair Mountain
    No it's the White Libertarian Cucks such as you who are the CUCKS...The Alt Right rejects the extension of China's...India's...Korea's.....Pakistan's....Iran's genelines into Native Born White American Living and Breeding Space....this is the antithesis of Cuckholdery.

    As far as your accusation that Socialism=Feminism....This claim only demonstrates just what a fringe movement the Libertarian Movement is:think the Cucked aging National Review Readership reading the collected columns of William F Cuckely sitting in their rocking chairs in front of the fireplace wearing old granny dresses...think Richard Brookhieser...and Bill Cuckley jr....

    As far as your accusation that Socialism=Feminism….

    At least you admitted that white nationalism is a socialist movement. But it is a feminist movement as well, since it is a goddess cult (despite being a sausage fest that repels white women and drives them into the arms of blacks and Muslims).

    There is a reason why successful whites reject intra-white socialism. We don’t subsidize moochers like you. Go out and get a job, loser.

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  122. @utu
    For example, Trinity College Cambridge has had more Nobel Prize winners than the entire nation of France.

    Trinity College Cambridge 32

    the entire nation of France 68

    Glad to see you’re right on the ball as usual, Utu.

    Actually, I meant science Nobel Prizes. And even there I was in error. The numbers are, approximately anyhow, Trinity College Cambridge 28, France 32.

    I got my information from a brother in law who graduated from Trinity College back in the 60′s when the numbers were, I assume (since I was getting them from a Trinity scholar), in Trinity’s favor.

    But Cambridge is now a trendy, politically correct sort of place, with admissions quotas, a business school, and Institute for Sustainability Leadership and other unscholarly appendages, which perhaps explains why Trinity has had only one Nobel Prize winner in the sciences in the last 19 years, and that by Venkatraman Ramakrishnan for “unraveling the structure of the ribosome.”

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    Hi CanSpeccy, last night I discovered Ken Richardson. I thought that you might be one of few people here who can appreciate his writing on mind, genes (or rather lack of them) and intelligence. I think the IQers must hate him as his arguments are some much more nuanced than their primitive tautological reductionism.

    What makes up the mind?
    https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg16322025-900-what-makes-up-the-mind/

    WISING UP ON THE HERITABILITY OF INTELLIGENCE
    http://www.councilforresponsiblegenetics.org/genewatch/GeneWatchPage.aspx?pageId=388

    https://digest.bps.org.uk/2016/09/12/its-now-possible-in-theory-to-predict-life-success-from-a-genetic-test-at-birth/
    His comments down in discussion section

    I think I will get his books. One got published earlier this year.
  123. @LauraMR
    The most "civilized" are also the most murderous. Just count the bodies.

    That little fun fact aside, it is evident that most individuals have no comprehension whatsoever where their wealth (or lack of) comes from. So? Nothing to do with "collective" IQ... or "collective" height, for that matter.

    This obsession over (flattering) communal attributes simply reveals the deeply rooted psychological problems of certain individuals. No more.

    Wealth doesn’t come from applied cognitive prowess? This is certainly an Earth-shattering revelation. Where do you suggest it comes from? Why are native Brazilian primitives less wealthy than the Swiss? It doesn’t have anything to do with the invention and administration of complex systems and social arrangements?

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  124. @Thomm
    Being the CEO of a company they did not build means nothing.

    What a stupid statement. Like becoming the CEO of Microsoft or Google at age 45 from a different culture is not an accomplishment. Especially since you are an underachieving ne'er do well like all Nationalist-Leftists are..

    Anyway, Indians only came here recently, yet still founded companies like Sun Microsystems, Juniper Networks, Bose, etc.

    As you have proven, white nationalists tend to have negro IQs.

    {Anyway, Indians only came here recently, yet still founded companies like Sun Microsystems, Juniper Networks, Bose, etc.}

    Every immigrant who has succeeded in America – including Indians who only came here recently – has succeeded because America was founded by Europeans: mainly Anglo-Saxon stock; English common law, Magna Carta, Greek Democracy, Roman Senate,….Western, Christian Civilization

    If e.g. Mr. Khosla had stayed in his native India, he would be just another well-to-do middle class Indian. He succeeded fabulously in US in large part thanks to the Europeans who created the environment where smart, hard working immigrants like Mr. Kholsa could thrive.

    The fact that Indians who only came here recently – emphasis on came here recently - is proof enough that if they had stayed in their native s____ hole, they’d amount to nothing to very little.

    So say “Thank you, Thank you very much” to people who originally founded this country and established the laws and the systems under which immigrants -like myself – can make the best of their abilities.

    If Indians were such hot s____, they wouldn’t be wallowing in abject misery and poverty in their own country.

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    has succeeded because America was founded by Europeans: mainly Anglo-Saxon stock; English common law,

    Those men happen to be Anglo-Protestants, but that is not their salient descriptor. Otherwise you would have the same talents. You do not. No more than a chihuahua or a pug has the physical abilities of a German Shepherd.

    If Indians were such hot s____, they wouldn’t be wallowing in abject misery and poverty in their own country.

    You mean poverty like Germany in the 1930s, or Ukraine during the Holodomor, or like Ukraine today?

    Ukraine has the same per capita GDP as India right now, btw. Moldova is poorer than India. It seems you are not aware that white countries became prosperous just in the last several decades, despite being around for thousands of years.
  125. @Thomm
    Studies from different sources are pretty consistent that point to the fact that Indians have pretty low IQ on average. Whether these are from IQ surveys, PISA test, IMO results, top tier programming contest…etc.

    Well, 20% of 1.7 billion people (counting all of the Subcontinent) is still 340M people. Much more than the number of white Americans.

    Plus, the IQ point is much weaker than you think, given the GDP growth point I posed above.

    The IQ fetishists just cannot explain why any country has economic growth. If a country's per capita GDP grew by 3% last year, did its IQ rise over last year?

    I’m not sure you know what you’re talking about. I’ve worked at two engineering companies with some Indian imports and they get hired not because, as you say, they are geniuses wrapped in brown skin, but because they work for 1/3 of the salary of the average white American with similar credentials. This labor savings helps fatten the bottom line of the company.

    I’ve been told it takes them 2-3 times as long to complete projects in drafting and mechanical & electrical engineering and often times their work has to be corrected by white American males who you seem to think are a lesser breed than the Indians.

    There are exceptions, of course, and it seems those Indians that were born in and/or educated in the U.S. have competency levels approaching, but rarely exceeding, above average white males. I don’t know why but that’s been my personal experience. Most of H1B types are next to worthless and I suspect they obtain their educational credentials from Indian diploma mills.

    How come tech support in India reads of cue cards instead of being able to understand and troubleshoot a product if they’re all so smart and educated in STEM?

    Well, 20% of 1.7 billion people (counting all of the Subcontinent) is still 340M people. Much more than the number of white Americans.

    Then why is India a third world country and why do large numbers of their citizens wish to emigrate to the West? You would think with that much brainpower they could lift India out of third world status.

    Are you Indian or a self hating, diversity worshipping white male?

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    There are exceptions, of course, and it seems those Indians that were born in and/or educated in the U.S. have competency levels approaching, but rarely exceeding, above average white males.

    Wrong. Their talents exceed the average white male by a ton. Remember that Indian household income is almost twice that of white Americans.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_household_income

    Plus, I remind you that variance among whites is extremely high. That is why some whites are super-talented while many are complete dregs (like white nationalists)..

    You may wish the truth were otherwise, but it is not.
  126. @Thomm
    False. India is relatively safe for its poverty level (much safer than, say, Mexico or Russia), with centuries of art, music, literature, and science. It reached the iron age long before Europe did.

    Indians in the US are the highest income group in the US, bar none. And no, they are not 'higher caste' Indians. Indians who emigrate to the US are specifically not wealthy in India. They are 'educated but poor'.

    Your knowledge of India is virtually zero.

    But even from your own point, India's GDP per capita is only 10-25 years behind many countries that you consider civilized. India and Ukraine are almost equal. Since India does not have natural resources like oil, the fact that their GDP is only a few years behind those countries I listed is evidence that this IQ-GDP correlation is highly flawed, and certainly does not account for economic growth.

    Again, if a country's economy grew by 3%, 4%, or 5% per capita in a single year, did its IQ increase? This is a question that appears too sophisticated for the typical white nationalist...

    I hate to say this, but you’re either being disingenuous or you just have no idea how basic statistic analysis works. Even strong correlations, given sufficiently large samples, will produce many examples that go against the trend, some of which will be huge outliers. In sociology, economics and other fields, correlation coefficients above .3 or so are usually considered quite strong. Many people may not understand how weak a trend with an R of .3 is, but there will be a high proportion of data not closely fitting the trend line and many extreme outliers, given larger samples.

    And this idea of comparing where countries are now to where their better-performing counterparts were 25 years ago is pure methodological nonsense, for a variety of reasons. The biggest of these is that the tide of technological progress is lifting all nations’ boats in roughly tandem. And invention is orders of magnitude more difficult than application etc.

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    And this idea of comparing where countries are now to where their better-performing counterparts were 25 years ago is pure methodological nonsense,

    No it isn't. Rather, it proves that genetic IQ is an extremely small factor in prosperity. If India is just 20 years behind Poland and Russia, and Mexico is just 25-30 years behind Spain or France, within thousands of years of historical record, then the claim that some IQ difference is a permanent mark of differentiation fails.

    Another problem with this IQ fetishism is that is laughably assumes that women do just as much civilization-building and technological innovation as men. This is false (which is why race-nationalists are always hardcore woman-worshipping feminists).

    You still can't grasp the concept that if a country's per-capital GDP rose by 3% in a year, then by your own logic their IQ must have risen in a single year. That exposes the absurdity of this IQ = GDP differential forever idea that appeals to simple-minded wiggers.

    Mexico's prosperity in 2017 is right where Spain's was in 1990. Being 27 years behind is the tiniest of gaps.
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    @Thomm
    There is no economic case for importing nonwhite immigrants…this includes Asian Legal Immigrants.

    False. There is a tremendous economic benefit to importing highly skilled immigrants (Indians and Chinese are the bulk of these).

    Since it takes $500K+ to educate a child through K-12 and a Bachelor's Degree in the US (not to mention the SJW crap that has replaced education in the US), when you get a readymade 22 y/o engineer coming to the US from Asia, that is effectively a subsidy of $500K imported into the US.

    50% of Silicon Valley's workforce is Indian and Chinese immigrants. Without them being here, the tech industry would be far more centered in Asia than now.

    Anyway, no one, certainly not Trump, is even remotely interested in curbing skilled, legal immigration.

    This delusional Indian is typical of what you find in America. Argumentative and not bright or intellectually honest enough to make any intelligent argument.

    Indians do the same work as white people only for a third of the cost and much lower wages.

    If you are an oligarch like Zuckerberg, than Indians are good for you. For every other American Indians are pure cancer.

    They are tribalistic like Jews only they smell bad and treat women horribly. Also, the worst part of Indians is that while they may be high caste in India, in America no one thinks much of them and it drives Indians crazy.

    They crave so much validation it is pathetic.

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    That's all true.

    If you're the sort of person who entertains romantic notions about India and wishes to continue doing so, I highly recommend that you do not get to know any actual Indians. Familiarity with them will certainly breed contempt.

    Indians are lazy, quarrelsome, diffident, and often grotesque in appearance. They are prevented from being dangerous only by a complete lack of organizational ability and a certain weakness of will. These large Indian populations we've imported into America and especially Canada are going to form a class of Gypsy layabouts and criminals once the gravy train stops chugging along.
  128. @Alden
    Mortality of mothers after childbirth was due to one reason, infection. It was called puerperal fever, a massive infection that killed the mothers a few days or even a couple weeks after birth.

    When a woman becomes pregnant her immune system goes way, way down so as to avoid rejection of the fetus. Birth causes rips and tears so bacteria gets in and can kill the mother. It takes a few days.

    Until Louis Pastuer discovered germs midwives and Drs didn't even wash their hands when delivering babies. Once they heard about germs and began washing their hands infection and puerperal fever and child birth deaths plummeted.

    A head slightly larger than usual? Nonsense, woman have given birth to 14 pd babies and survived. Come to think of it, giving birth while sick wouldn't be so bad. It would just add a bit more pain.

    Commenters should really, really comment about things with which they are familiar.

    Part of the trouble of giving birth is actually giving birth. That’s where C-sections came from, obviously.

    Malaria isn’t like the sniffles. It’s killed millions and continues to kill large numbers of people, and unless you’re using DDT it’s (like many African diseases) vector born. So clean hands, isn’t going to do much in that regard.

    Head size is related to hip size, for obvious reasons. Blacks, on average, have smaller skulls and narrower hips. Women have different hips than men, for a reason, namely the very narrow-hipped ones died. It’s called evolution.

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  129. @Avery
    {Anyway, Indians only came here recently, yet still founded companies like Sun Microsystems, Juniper Networks, Bose, etc.}

    Every immigrant who has succeeded in America - including Indians who only came here recently - has succeeded because America was founded by Europeans: mainly Anglo-Saxon stock; English common law, Magna Carta, Greek Democracy, Roman Senate,....Western, Christian Civilization

    If e.g. Mr. Khosla had stayed in his native India, he would be just another well-to-do middle class Indian. He succeeded fabulously in US in large part thanks to the Europeans who created the environment where smart, hard working immigrants like Mr. Kholsa could thrive.

    The fact that Indians who only came here recently - emphasis on came here recently - is proof enough that if they had stayed in their native s____ hole, they'd amount to nothing to very little.

    So say "Thank you, Thank you very much" to people who originally founded this country and established the laws and the systems under which immigrants -like myself - can make the best of their abilities.

    If Indians were such hot s____, they wouldn't be wallowing in abject misery and poverty in their own country.

    has succeeded because America was founded by Europeans: mainly Anglo-Saxon stock; English common law,

    Those men happen to be Anglo-Protestants, but that is not their salient descriptor. Otherwise you would have the same talents. You do not. No more than a chihuahua or a pug has the physical abilities of a German Shepherd.

    If Indians were such hot s____, they wouldn’t be wallowing in abject misery and poverty in their own country.

    You mean poverty like Germany in the 1930s, or Ukraine during the Holodomor, or like Ukraine today?

    Ukraine has the same per capita GDP as India right now, btw. Moldova is poorer than India. It seems you are not aware that white countries became prosperous just in the last several decades, despite being around for thousands of years.

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    {Those men happen to be Anglo-Protestants, but that is not their salient descriptor. Otherwise you would have the same talents. You do not. No more than a chihuahua or a pug has the physical abilities of a German Shepherd. }

    What does that even mean?
    What does this have to do with me?
    I never claimed to be Anglo-Saxon: only an immigrant.
    (of Armenian ancestry.)

    Yes, the Founders were English Protestants, but it didn't end there.
    Since its founding, US has had several large waves of immigrants, overwhelmingly from Europe. (Black slaves brought here by force - separate subject). For better or worse, the sources of immigration to US changed after 1965: again, separate subject.

    But we are all beneficiaries of how the country was originally founded, by whom, and populated by peoples from where.

    According to 2010 census, the largest Ancestry groups in US.

    49 million Germans
    42 million Blacks
    35 million Irish
    31 million Mexican
    27 million English
    20 million Americans
    17 million Italians
    10 million Polish
    9 million French
    6 million Scottish
    5 million Scotch-Irish
    5 million American Indian or Alaska Native
    5 million Dutch
    4.6 million Puerto Rican
    4.5 million Norwegian
    4 million Swedish
    3 million Chinese
    3 million Russian
    ……….
    See the picture?

    Let me give you another example.
    There are 5 countries founded or run by what Churchill called 'English speaking peoples': England, US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand. Fairly prosperous, orderly, well run countries. Counties to where everyone and his brother wants to immigrate to. How is it that those millions of people are not beating down the doors to get into India?.

    Another example: Hong Kong.
    Same Chinese people, but run under English administration, English laws (contract law, property law,...) for 99 years. Even Chinese communist rulers recognized its value and largely left it alone to be run under old rules.

    Don't know how it came about, but it is no accident.
    There is European, Western, Christian culture/civilization and there are others.
    Where to are people from all over the world trying to get into? India?

  130. @KenH
    I'm not sure you know what you're talking about. I've worked at two engineering companies with some Indian imports and they get hired not because, as you say, they are geniuses wrapped in brown skin, but because they work for 1/3 of the salary of the average white American with similar credentials. This labor savings helps fatten the bottom line of the company.

    I've been told it takes them 2-3 times as long to complete projects in drafting and mechanical & electrical engineering and often times their work has to be corrected by white American males who you seem to think are a lesser breed than the Indians.

    There are exceptions, of course, and it seems those Indians that were born in and/or educated in the U.S. have competency levels approaching, but rarely exceeding, above average white males. I don't know why but that's been my personal experience. Most of H1B types are next to worthless and I suspect they obtain their educational credentials from Indian diploma mills.

    How come tech support in India reads of cue cards instead of being able to understand and troubleshoot a product if they're all so smart and educated in STEM?


    Well, 20% of 1.7 billion people (counting all of the Subcontinent) is still 340M people. Much more than the number of white Americans.
     
    Then why is India a third world country and why do large numbers of their citizens wish to emigrate to the West? You would think with that much brainpower they could lift India out of third world status.

    Are you Indian or a self hating, diversity worshipping white male?

    There are exceptions, of course, and it seems those Indians that were born in and/or educated in the U.S. have competency levels approaching, but rarely exceeding, above average white males.

    Wrong. Their talents exceed the average white male by a ton. Remember that Indian household income is almost twice that of white Americans.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_household_income

    Plus, I remind you that variance among whites is extremely high. That is why some whites are super-talented while many are complete dregs (like white nationalists)..

    You may wish the truth were otherwise, but it is not.

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    Wrong. Their talents exceed the average white male by a ton. Remember that Indian household income is almost twice that of white Americans.
     
    You Indians are just legends in your own mind. Again, there are talented and competent Indians but you are also beneficiaries of affirmative action and aggressive employment diversity programs in hiring and promotions which helps inflate your median household income. Large companies especially hire and promote Indians since they are a minority group that outperforms blacks and Latinos.

    The best you can do is acquire skills and knowledge from fields that were invented by whites and that in most cases you learned from white instructors. India and Indians haven't created any groundbreaking inventions, technology or discoveries such as you find throughout America and Europe.

    India's average IQ is 82. You're tied for 25th with Madagasgar and Zimbabwe. The presence of large numbers of blacks and Latinos depresses the U.S. average of 98.
    https://iq-research.info/en/page/average-iq-by-country

    And Indians aren't too keen on using latrines even when they have access to them.
    https://www.pri.org/stories/2016-05-12/india-access-toilets-remains-huge-problem-worst-all-women-and-girls

    You still haven't answered why the supposedly intelligent Indians can't marshal all of their intellectual resources to lift India out of grinding poverty. I've posed that question to several Indians on this site and none will answer it other than to start attacking white nationalism. Must be easier to flee to a white nation then claim you are superior to the gracious and unassuming white hosts.

    Then when white women reject your advances you rail against white nationalism some more.

  131. @Negrolphin Pool
    I hate to say this, but you're either being disingenuous or you just have no idea how basic statistic analysis works. Even strong correlations, given sufficiently large samples, will produce many examples that go against the trend, some of which will be huge outliers. In sociology, economics and other fields, correlation coefficients above .3 or so are usually considered quite strong. Many people may not understand how weak a trend with an R of .3 is, but there will be a high proportion of data not closely fitting the trend line and many extreme outliers, given larger samples.

    And this idea of comparing where countries are now to where their better-performing counterparts were 25 years ago is pure methodological nonsense, for a variety of reasons. The biggest of these is that the tide of technological progress is lifting all nations' boats in roughly tandem. And invention is orders of magnitude more difficult than application etc.

    And this idea of comparing where countries are now to where their better-performing counterparts were 25 years ago is pure methodological nonsense,

    No it isn’t. Rather, it proves that genetic IQ is an extremely small factor in prosperity. If India is just 20 years behind Poland and Russia, and Mexico is just 25-30 years behind Spain or France, within thousands of years of historical record, then the claim that some IQ difference is a permanent mark of differentiation fails.

    Another problem with this IQ fetishism is that is laughably assumes that women do just as much civilization-building and technological innovation as men. This is false (which is why race-nationalists are always hardcore woman-worshipping feminists).

    You still can’t grasp the concept that if a country’s per-capital GDP rose by 3% in a year, then by your own logic their IQ must have risen in a single year. That exposes the absurdity of this IQ = GDP differential forever idea that appeals to simple-minded wiggers.

    Mexico’s prosperity in 2017 is right where Spain’s was in 1990. Being 27 years behind is the tiniest of gaps.

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    Thomm is a typical Indian troll.

    He criticizes us as White Nationalists but he us just a Hindu Nationalist himself.

    This is typical of Indians. Trying to play the Jew game with an IQ of 82.
  132. @Anonymous
    This delusional Indian is typical of what you find in America. Argumentative and not bright or intellectually honest enough to make any intelligent argument.

    Indians do the same work as white people only for a third of the cost and much lower wages.

    If you are an oligarch like Zuckerberg, than Indians are good for you. For every other American Indians are pure cancer.

    They are tribalistic like Jews only they smell bad and treat women horribly. Also, the worst part of Indians is that while they may be high caste in India, in America no one thinks much of them and it drives Indians crazy.

    They crave so much validation it is pathetic.

    That’s all true.

    If you’re the sort of person who entertains romantic notions about India and wishes to continue doing so, I highly recommend that you do not get to know any actual Indians. Familiarity with them will certainly breed contempt.

    Indians are lazy, quarrelsome, diffident, and often grotesque in appearance. They are prevented from being dangerous only by a complete lack of organizational ability and a certain weakness of will. These large Indian populations we’ve imported into America and especially Canada are going to form a class of Gypsy layabouts and criminals once the gravy train stops chugging along.

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    If you’re the sort of person who entertains romantic notions about India and wishes to continue doing so, I highly recommend that you do not get to know any actual Indians. Familiarity with them will certainly breed contempt.

    Unfortunately I must concur.
  133. @Intelligent Dasein
    That's all true.

    If you're the sort of person who entertains romantic notions about India and wishes to continue doing so, I highly recommend that you do not get to know any actual Indians. Familiarity with them will certainly breed contempt.

    Indians are lazy, quarrelsome, diffident, and often grotesque in appearance. They are prevented from being dangerous only by a complete lack of organizational ability and a certain weakness of will. These large Indian populations we've imported into America and especially Canada are going to form a class of Gypsy layabouts and criminals once the gravy train stops chugging along.

    If you’re the sort of person who entertains romantic notions about India and wishes to continue doing so, I highly recommend that you do not get to know any actual Indians. Familiarity with them will certainly breed contempt.

    Unfortunately I must concur.

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  134. Indians in general are not that bright but all of them are argumentative , delusional and like to brag, even though there is really not that much for Indians to brag about. Here is a typical Indian, educated but nevertheless shameless and delusional, bragging about India to be the next science superpower six years ago.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/mar/03/india-emerging-geek-superpower

    So six years later today what does the country India has to show for in terms of science? Nothing!

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    You know ''DB Cooper'', i read almost your entire comment history. You are no 'DB Cooper', who are you? If you dont want to use your real name atleast use' anon' or anonymous'.
  135. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @DB Cooper
    Indians in general are not that bright but all of them are argumentative , delusional and like to brag, even though there is really not that much for Indians to brag about. Here is a typical Indian, educated but nevertheless shameless and delusional, bragging about India to be the next science superpower six years ago.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/mar/03/india-emerging-geek-superpower

    So six years later today what does the country India has to show for in terms of science? Nothing!

    You know ”DB Cooper”, i read almost your entire comment history. You are no ‘DB Cooper’, who are you? If you dont want to use your real name atleast use’ anon’ or anonymous’.

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    Sounds like Anon is a Hindu just like his friend Thomm. Sorry son, but this is not your safe space.

    If you want to criticize another poster for not using his real name, why aren't you using yours Patel?
    , @Anon
    Is that you DB Cooper? Why do you have to use a western name to criticise indians. You are not a western person. Is it to make indians criticise the west? Very clever!

    You have been doing this since many months.
  136. @Thomm
    Being the CEO of a company they did not build means nothing.

    What a stupid statement. Like becoming the CEO of Microsoft or Google at age 45 from a different culture is not an accomplishment. Especially since you are an underachieving ne'er do well like all Nationalist-Leftists are..

    Anyway, Indians only came here recently, yet still founded companies like Sun Microsystems, Juniper Networks, Bose, etc.

    As you have proven, white nationalists tend to have negro IQs.

    Indians who do found companies in the US found me-too companies, Jupiter networks was just a poor copy of Cisco. They are not creating anything that wasn’t already here.

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    Jupiter networks was just a poor copy of Cisco. They are not creating anything that wasn’t already here.

    Juniper Networks (you couldn't even get the name right) has a market value of $11B. It would not exist if it produced no value. Sun Microsystems was even more successful at its peak. Others include Workday, etc.

    Plus, you talk as if you could have founded those companies. In reality, you would not even get an entry-level job there.

    The point is, Indians are the most successful ethnic group in the US, bar none. Given that white nationalists represent the bottom 20% of whites (i.e. the wigger level), there really is no overlap.

  137. @Thomm
    In the meantime, tons of $150K+ software engineering jobs in Silicon Valley go unfilled….

    If you really believe this then it is obvious you are a libertarian because only they could be stupid enough to believe corporate propaganda.

    It is true. Anyone with direct experience in Silicon Valley knows this. The typical WN is far too low of a cognitive level to have such direct exposure, of course.

    There are tons of $150K+ software engineering jobs that are unfilled. This is obvious across individual hiring managers on LinkedIn too (with ubiquitious "We are hiring developers and coders" taglines in their profiles).

    Like I said you are stupid enough to believe something you read. The open job listings are part of the H-1B scam.

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  138. @CanSpeccy
    Glad to see you're right on the ball as usual, Utu.

    Actually, I meant science Nobel Prizes. And even there I was in error. The numbers are, approximately anyhow, Trinity College Cambridge 28, France 32.

    I got my information from a brother in law who graduated from Trinity College back in the 60's when the numbers were, I assume (since I was getting them from a Trinity scholar), in Trinity's favor.

    But Cambridge is now a trendy, politically correct sort of place, with admissions quotas, a business school, and Institute for Sustainability Leadership and other unscholarly appendages, which perhaps explains why Trinity has had only one Nobel Prize winner in the sciences in the last 19 years, and that by Venkatraman Ramakrishnan for "unraveling the structure of the ribosome."

    Hi CanSpeccy, last night I discovered Ken Richardson. I thought that you might be one of few people here who can appreciate his writing on mind, genes (or rather lack of them) and intelligence. I think the IQers must hate him as his arguments are some much more nuanced than their primitive tautological reductionism.

    What makes up the mind?

    https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg16322025-900-what-makes-up-the-mind/

    WISING UP ON THE HERITABILITY OF INTELLIGENCE

    http://www.councilforresponsiblegenetics.org/genewatch/GeneWatchPage.aspx?pageId=388

    https://digest.bps.org.uk/2016/09/12/its-now-possible-in-theory-to-predict-life-success-from-a-genetic-test-at-birth/

    His comments down in discussion section

    I think I will get his books. One got published earlier this year.

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    Thank you. I will follow the links.
    , @Daniel Chieh
    My thanks as well, will check into it.
  139. @Thomm
    has succeeded because America was founded by Europeans: mainly Anglo-Saxon stock; English common law,

    Those men happen to be Anglo-Protestants, but that is not their salient descriptor. Otherwise you would have the same talents. You do not. No more than a chihuahua or a pug has the physical abilities of a German Shepherd.

    If Indians were such hot s____, they wouldn’t be wallowing in abject misery and poverty in their own country.

    You mean poverty like Germany in the 1930s, or Ukraine during the Holodomor, or like Ukraine today?

    Ukraine has the same per capita GDP as India right now, btw. Moldova is poorer than India. It seems you are not aware that white countries became prosperous just in the last several decades, despite being around for thousands of years.

    {Those men happen to be Anglo-Protestants, but that is not their salient descriptor. Otherwise you would have the same talents. You do not. No more than a chihuahua or a pug has the physical abilities of a German Shepherd. }

    What does that even mean?
    What does this have to do with me?
    I never claimed to be Anglo-Saxon: only an immigrant.
    (of Armenian ancestry.)

    Yes, the Founders were English Protestants, but it didn’t end there.
    Since its founding, US has had several large waves of immigrants, overwhelmingly from Europe. (Black slaves brought here by force – separate subject). For better or worse, the sources of immigration to US changed after 1965: again, separate subject.

    But we are all beneficiaries of how the country was originally founded, by whom, and populated by peoples from where.

    According to 2010 census, the largest Ancestry groups in US.

    49 million Germans
    42 million Blacks
    35 million Irish
    31 million Mexican
    27 million English
    20 million Americans
    17 million Italians
    10 million Polish
    9 million French
    6 million Scottish
    5 million Scotch-Irish
    5 million American Indian or Alaska Native
    5 million Dutch
    4.6 million Puerto Rican
    4.5 million Norwegian
    4 million Swedish
    3 million Chinese
    3 million Russian
    ……….
    See the picture?

    Let me give you another example.
    There are 5 countries founded or run by what Churchill called ‘English speaking peoples’: England, US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand. Fairly prosperous, orderly, well run countries. Counties to where everyone and his brother wants to immigrate to. How is it that those millions of people are not beating down the doors to get into India?.

    Another example: Hong Kong.
    Same Chinese people, but run under English administration, English laws (contract law, property law,…) for 99 years. Even Chinese communist rulers recognized its value and largely left it alone to be run under old rules.

    Don’t know how it came about, but it is no accident.
    There is European, Western, Christian culture/civilization and there are others.
    Where to are people from all over the world trying to get into? India?

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  140. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Anon
    You know ''DB Cooper'', i read almost your entire comment history. You are no 'DB Cooper', who are you? If you dont want to use your real name atleast use' anon' or anonymous'.

    Sounds like Anon is a Hindu just like his friend Thomm. Sorry son, but this is not your safe space.

    If you want to criticize another poster for not using his real name, why aren’t you using yours Patel?

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  141. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Thomm
    And this idea of comparing where countries are now to where their better-performing counterparts were 25 years ago is pure methodological nonsense,

    No it isn't. Rather, it proves that genetic IQ is an extremely small factor in prosperity. If India is just 20 years behind Poland and Russia, and Mexico is just 25-30 years behind Spain or France, within thousands of years of historical record, then the claim that some IQ difference is a permanent mark of differentiation fails.

    Another problem with this IQ fetishism is that is laughably assumes that women do just as much civilization-building and technological innovation as men. This is false (which is why race-nationalists are always hardcore woman-worshipping feminists).

    You still can't grasp the concept that if a country's per-capital GDP rose by 3% in a year, then by your own logic their IQ must have risen in a single year. That exposes the absurdity of this IQ = GDP differential forever idea that appeals to simple-minded wiggers.

    Mexico's prosperity in 2017 is right where Spain's was in 1990. Being 27 years behind is the tiniest of gaps.

    Thomm is a typical Indian troll.

    He criticizes us as White Nationalists but he us just a Hindu Nationalist himself.

    This is typical of Indians. Trying to play the Jew game with an IQ of 82.

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  142. @utu
    Hi CanSpeccy, last night I discovered Ken Richardson. I thought that you might be one of few people here who can appreciate his writing on mind, genes (or rather lack of them) and intelligence. I think the IQers must hate him as his arguments are some much more nuanced than their primitive tautological reductionism.

    What makes up the mind?
    https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg16322025-900-what-makes-up-the-mind/

    WISING UP ON THE HERITABILITY OF INTELLIGENCE
    http://www.councilforresponsiblegenetics.org/genewatch/GeneWatchPage.aspx?pageId=388

    https://digest.bps.org.uk/2016/09/12/its-now-possible-in-theory-to-predict-life-success-from-a-genetic-test-at-birth/
    His comments down in discussion section

    I think I will get his books. One got published earlier this year.

    Thank you. I will follow the links.

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    and Daniel Chieh

    More links:

    https://thepsychologist.bps.org.uk/so-what-gene

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/suzan-mazur/replace-the-modern-sythes_b_5284211.html

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3388793/

    all curtesy of RaceRealist88 (see his comments under Thompson's notes) who introduced us here to Ken Richardson.
  143. anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    Dear Lord,

    How could the United States have ever survived without the riches brought to us by Silicon Valley tech companies? And furthermore, how could those tech companies ever exist without CEO’s from the sub-continent? This has brought immense wealth and happiness to us flyover Americans which would not have been possible without importing a billion Indians to California. Without these Indians here to run tech companies, America would not have survived.

    Thank you, Lord.

    Sincerely,

    flyover Americans

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    To be fair, the US would have significantly less GDP if it wasn't for the dominance of software companies. That said, I largely agree with you - the wealth of Facebook has done absolutely nothing to help a large population of the host. Whether California makes $1 or $50 billion means nothing to a lot of Americans in flyover country. It is at best a neutral point, and at worst, something actively hostile to them.

    The notion of increasing GDP would mean a lot more if real incomes were rising. The fact that GDP keeps going up but real median income keeps dropping suggests that something is off with this formula.
  144. @anonymous
    Dear Lord,

    How could the United States have ever survived without the riches brought to us by Silicon Valley tech companies? And furthermore, how could those tech companies ever exist without CEO's from the sub-continent? This has brought immense wealth and happiness to us flyover Americans which would not have been possible without importing a billion Indians to California. Without these Indians here to run tech companies, America would not have survived.

    Thank you, Lord.

    Sincerely,

    flyover Americans

    To be fair, the US would have significantly less GDP if it wasn’t for the dominance of software companies. That said, I largely agree with you – the wealth of Facebook has done absolutely nothing to help a large population of the host. Whether California makes $1 or $50 billion means nothing to a lot of Americans in flyover country. It is at best a neutral point, and at worst, something actively hostile to them.

    The notion of increasing GDP would mean a lot more if real incomes were rising. The fact that GDP keeps going up but real median income keeps dropping suggests that something is off with this formula.

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    • Replies: @utu
    Good point about Google. There is a differences between market company value and revenue. Google revenue is 2.5 lower than that of Exxon but market value is higher. The same with Tesla. Its revenue is 25 time lower than that of GM but its market value is higher.
    , @Anonymous
    America did not need Indians to dominate in the software space.

    Indians were cheaper yes, but they are also lower quality. This is a good trade if you are a CEO and want to juice your numbers, but not so good for anyone else except the Indians who come here.

    Why do the Indians need to come here anyway? Why can't they do the work remotely?
  145. @LauraMR
    You claim to be worried about 10 murders... but only in order to dismiss 10 million murders.

    Besides, how many nuclear tribal wars? Chemical warfare, at least? Unfortunately for the dead, you are deeply wrong. Mass extermination can only be carried out by a handful.

    Granted, I am not racist. I do not even believe "race" exists. So I have no doubt that any nation could commit the mass exterminations. My observation is simply that "could" is different than "has".

    So, if population genetics don’t exist, why do Tibetans have larger lungs and hearts? Why do white people have white skin, for that matter?

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    Tibetans have larger heart and lungs because they live at high altitudes...the heart and lung capacity is necessarily greater because of less oxygen at higher altitudes.
  146. @utu
    Hi CanSpeccy, last night I discovered Ken Richardson. I thought that you might be one of few people here who can appreciate his writing on mind, genes (or rather lack of them) and intelligence. I think the IQers must hate him as his arguments are some much more nuanced than their primitive tautological reductionism.

    What makes up the mind?
    https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg16322025-900-what-makes-up-the-mind/

    WISING UP ON THE HERITABILITY OF INTELLIGENCE
    http://www.councilforresponsiblegenetics.org/genewatch/GeneWatchPage.aspx?pageId=388

    https://digest.bps.org.uk/2016/09/12/its-now-possible-in-theory-to-predict-life-success-from-a-genetic-test-at-birth/
    His comments down in discussion section

    I think I will get his books. One got published earlier this year.

    My thanks as well, will check into it.

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  147. @CanSpeccy
    Thank you. I will follow the links.

    and Daniel Chieh

    More links:

    https://thepsychologist.bps.org.uk/so-what-gene

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/suzan-mazur/replace-the-modern-sythes_b_5284211.html

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3388793/

    all curtesy of RaceRealist88 (see his comments under Thompson’s notes) who introduced us here to Ken Richardson.

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    This will may amuse you if you have not seen it: Ken Robinson talking about the social (school) environment in the development of the imagination:

    Do Schools Kill Creativity

    and

    Bring on the Learning Revolution
  148. @Daniel Chieh
    To be fair, the US would have significantly less GDP if it wasn't for the dominance of software companies. That said, I largely agree with you - the wealth of Facebook has done absolutely nothing to help a large population of the host. Whether California makes $1 or $50 billion means nothing to a lot of Americans in flyover country. It is at best a neutral point, and at worst, something actively hostile to them.

    The notion of increasing GDP would mean a lot more if real incomes were rising. The fact that GDP keeps going up but real median income keeps dropping suggests that something is off with this formula.

    Good point about Google. There is a differences between market company value and revenue. Google revenue is 2.5 lower than that of Exxon but market value is higher. The same with Tesla. Its revenue is 25 time lower than that of GM but its market value is higher.

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  149. @Daniel Chieh
    So, if population genetics don't exist, why do Tibetans have larger lungs and hearts? Why do white people have white skin, for that matter?

    Tibetans have larger heart and lungs because they live at high altitudes…the heart and lung capacity is necessarily greater because of less oxygen at higher altitudes.

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    But I thought everyone was equal as a blank state!
  150. @Thomm
    There is no economic case for importing nonwhite immigrants…this includes Asian Legal Immigrants.

    False. There is a tremendous economic benefit to importing highly skilled immigrants (Indians and Chinese are the bulk of these).

    Since it takes $500K+ to educate a child through K-12 and a Bachelor's Degree in the US (not to mention the SJW crap that has replaced education in the US), when you get a readymade 22 y/o engineer coming to the US from Asia, that is effectively a subsidy of $500K imported into the US.

    50% of Silicon Valley's workforce is Indian and Chinese immigrants. Without them being here, the tech industry would be far more centered in Asia than now.

    Anyway, no one, certainly not Trump, is even remotely interested in curbing skilled, legal immigration.

    It’s been at least 2 decades since India started its tech industry, first by doing the Y2k fix, then by outsourcing. Today, China which started going into tech much later can boast of many successful tech firms in both software and hardware, but India still doesn’t have a single tech company worth mentioning. All the large tech firms are outsourcing firms, making a living by doing back office work for Western companies. They produce zero new technology. The Chinese may have copied a lot of our technology, but at least they copied and innovated on top of it, the Indians can’t even copy properly. You can stop telling us how smart the Indians are now, those in the tech industry know better and are not buying it.

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  151. @Thomm
    There are exceptions, of course, and it seems those Indians that were born in and/or educated in the U.S. have competency levels approaching, but rarely exceeding, above average white males.

    Wrong. Their talents exceed the average white male by a ton. Remember that Indian household income is almost twice that of white Americans.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_household_income

    Plus, I remind you that variance among whites is extremely high. That is why some whites are super-talented while many are complete dregs (like white nationalists)..

    You may wish the truth were otherwise, but it is not.

    Wrong. Their talents exceed the average white male by a ton. Remember that Indian household income is almost twice that of white Americans.

    You Indians are just legends in your own mind. Again, there are talented and competent Indians but you are also beneficiaries of affirmative action and aggressive employment diversity programs in hiring and promotions which helps inflate your median household income. Large companies especially hire and promote Indians since they are a minority group that outperforms blacks and Latinos.

    The best you can do is acquire skills and knowledge from fields that were invented by whites and that in most cases you learned from white instructors. India and Indians haven’t created any groundbreaking inventions, technology or discoveries such as you find throughout America and Europe.

    India’s average IQ is 82. You’re tied for 25th with Madagasgar and Zimbabwe. The presence of large numbers of blacks and Latinos depresses the U.S. average of 98.

    https://iq-research.info/en/page/average-iq-by-country

    And Indians aren’t too keen on using latrines even when they have access to them.

    https://www.pri.org/stories/2016-05-12/india-access-toilets-remains-huge-problem-worst-all-women-and-girls

    You still haven’t answered why the supposedly intelligent Indians can’t marshal all of their intellectual resources to lift India out of grinding poverty. I’ve posed that question to several Indians on this site and none will answer it other than to start attacking white nationalism. Must be easier to flee to a white nation then claim you are superior to the gracious and unassuming white hosts.

    Then when white women reject your advances you rail against white nationalism some more.

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    • Replies: @Thomm
    I am not an Indian, you faggot. I said that before.

    But Indians are the highest-income ethnic group in the US, bar none. Higher than Jews, Chinese, Scandinavians, and English Americans. This has been true for a long time.

    Hence, they outperform you by a mile (remember that a white nationalist is to successful whites what a pygmy from the Congo is to Usain Bolt)..

    I am sick of wigger whites/WNs trying to appropriate the accomplishments of talented whites.
  152. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Daniel Chieh
    To be fair, the US would have significantly less GDP if it wasn't for the dominance of software companies. That said, I largely agree with you - the wealth of Facebook has done absolutely nothing to help a large population of the host. Whether California makes $1 or $50 billion means nothing to a lot of Americans in flyover country. It is at best a neutral point, and at worst, something actively hostile to them.

    The notion of increasing GDP would mean a lot more if real incomes were rising. The fact that GDP keeps going up but real median income keeps dropping suggests that something is off with this formula.

    America did not need Indians to dominate in the software space.

    Indians were cheaper yes, but they are also lower quality. This is a good trade if you are a CEO and want to juice your numbers, but not so good for anyone else except the Indians who come here.

    Why do the Indians need to come here anyway? Why can’t they do the work remotely?

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    Why do the Indians need to come here anyway? Why can’t they do the work remotely?

    Because then you whined about 'outsourcing'. Make up your mind!

    I fully agree that the H1-B program should be abolished. Either pay someone market wages, or don't hire them if they are not that good.

    But the misconception is that this will greatly reduce Chinese and Indian immigraiton. It will not, as most of them are not H1-Bs.

    , @Daniel Chieh

    America did not need Indians to dominate in the software space.

     

    Its easy to say that, but do we know this for certain? The appropriate biological metaphor is the Red Queen where all of the relevant players have to keep running in order to keep up. Even with a first mover advantage, if US companies denied themselves or were denied from using cheap labor, what if another Western European country with similar IQ did? Germany? The UK? I'm familiar enough with the Silicon Valley to say that companies that didn't play these stupid cost games often ended up being killed.

    Wal-mart, for example, proved to be an overwhelming and hegemonic retail presence through its low-cost leadership, not only through Chinese imports but by abusing just about every single regulation, and even so, its a leader in its field.

    This is the heartless result of capitalism, which is very much a race to the bottom. I do not, in case you wonder, advocate this. But its worthwhile to note. It screws almost everyone, including Blair's "Native Born White American Majority Working Class" and once automation goes in full, perhaps every single living human being. And yet it will come to pass, because capitalism is the God That Exists.
  153. @Anonymous
    America did not need Indians to dominate in the software space.

    Indians were cheaper yes, but they are also lower quality. This is a good trade if you are a CEO and want to juice your numbers, but not so good for anyone else except the Indians who come here.

    Why do the Indians need to come here anyway? Why can't they do the work remotely?

    Why do the Indians need to come here anyway? Why can’t they do the work remotely?

    Because then you whined about ‘outsourcing’. Make up your mind!

    I fully agree that the H1-B program should be abolished. Either pay someone market wages, or don’t hire them if they are not that good.

    But the misconception is that this will greatly reduce Chinese and Indian immigraiton. It will not, as most of them are not H1-Bs.

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  154. @KenH

    Wrong. Their talents exceed the average white male by a ton. Remember that Indian household income is almost twice that of white Americans.
     
    You Indians are just legends in your own mind. Again, there are talented and competent Indians but you are also beneficiaries of affirmative action and aggressive employment diversity programs in hiring and promotions which helps inflate your median household income. Large companies especially hire and promote Indians since they are a minority group that outperforms blacks and Latinos.

    The best you can do is acquire skills and knowledge from fields that were invented by whites and that in most cases you learned from white instructors. India and Indians haven't created any groundbreaking inventions, technology or discoveries such as you find throughout America and Europe.

    India's average IQ is 82. You're tied for 25th with Madagasgar and Zimbabwe. The presence of large numbers of blacks and Latinos depresses the U.S. average of 98.
    https://iq-research.info/en/page/average-iq-by-country

    And Indians aren't too keen on using latrines even when they have access to them.
    https://www.pri.org/stories/2016-05-12/india-access-toilets-remains-huge-problem-worst-all-women-and-girls

    You still haven't answered why the supposedly intelligent Indians can't marshal all of their intellectual resources to lift India out of grinding poverty. I've posed that question to several Indians on this site and none will answer it other than to start attacking white nationalism. Must be easier to flee to a white nation then claim you are superior to the gracious and unassuming white hosts.

    Then when white women reject your advances you rail against white nationalism some more.

    I am not an Indian, you faggot. I said that before.

    But Indians are the highest-income ethnic group in the US, bar none. Higher than Jews, Chinese, Scandinavians, and English Americans. This has been true for a long time.

    Hence, they outperform you by a mile (remember that a white nationalist is to successful whites what a pygmy from the Congo is to Usain Bolt)..

    I am sick of wigger whites/WNs trying to appropriate the accomplishments of talented whites.

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    The Indian is triggered.

    No one believes you are not an Indian. We can tell by how you are acting you are an Indian and now you are just embarrassing yourself.

    The problem with these Indians is that they are used to being high caste in India and with no one challenging them. But in America we don't think much of them and it drives them crazy.

    So now we have to put up with a combination of Indians trying to prove they are high caste to Americans who don't care. And passive aggressiveness when the Hindus are put in their place.
    , @KenH

    I am not an Indian, you faggot.
     
    Stuff a sock in it. Don't blame me for unpleasant facts about Indians and India. The fact that you're so laser focused on Indians betrays your racial identity.

    I am sick of wigger whites/WNs trying to appropriate the accomplishments of talented whites.
     
    Yet it's ok for you to appropriate the accomplishments of Indians and take pride in and extol their supposed virtues in America. Thomm = ignoramus and hypocrite.

    Still no answer on why India, with all its supposed brainpower, can't lift itself out of 4th world status other than to attack white nationalism just as I said. You are so predictable.

    At least the others had the courage to admit they were Indians after I dragged it out of them. They were better men than you.
  155. @MarkinLA
    Indians who do found companies in the US found me-too companies, Jupiter networks was just a poor copy of Cisco. They are not creating anything that wasn't already here.

    Jupiter networks was just a poor copy of Cisco. They are not creating anything that wasn’t already here.

    Juniper Networks (you couldn’t even get the name right) has a market value of $11B. It would not exist if it produced no value. Sun Microsystems was even more successful at its peak. Others include Workday, etc.

    Plus, you talk as if you could have founded those companies. In reality, you would not even get an entry-level job there.

    The point is, Indians are the most successful ethnic group in the US, bar none. Given that white nationalists represent the bottom 20% of whites (i.e. the wigger level), there really is no overlap.

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    Indians are the most successful ethnic group in the US, bar none

    The reported data on household income are all based on self reported surveys. There is no independent verification. Can it be trusted?
    , @CurryLove
    You should move to India. A country with 1.2B of those high earning IT geniuses must be the best place in the world to live. Why are you still here? Pack your bags and go. Incredible India awaits.
    , @Avery
    from your #111:{Anyway, Indians only came here recently, yet still founded companies like Sun Microsystems, .....}

    and #159: {Sun Microsystems was even more successful at its peak}

    from Wiki:
    Sun founders: Andy Bechtolsheim, Bill Joy, Scott McNealy, Vinod Khosla.
    So how did 'Indians' found Sun exactly?
    One Indian, out of 4, makes it "Indians founded" in your alternative Universe?
    btw: one Indian educated at Stanford, famous Indian university established by Indians, of course.

    from Wiki:
    [The initial design for what became Sun's first Unix workstation, the Sun-1, was conceived by Andy Bechtolsheim when he was a graduate student at Stanford University in Palo Alto, California. Bechtolsheim originally designed the SUN workstation for the Stanford University Network communications project as a personal CAD workstation. It was designed around the Motorola 68000 processor with an advanced memory management unit (MMU) to support the Unix operating system with virtual memory support. He built the first ones from spare parts obtained from Stanford's Department of Computer Science and Silicon Valley supply houses.
    On February 24, 1982, Vinod Khosla, Andy Bechtolsheim, and Scott McNealy, all Stanford graduate students, founded Sun Microsystems. Bill Joy of Berkeley, a primary developer of the Berkeley Software Distribution (BSD), joined soon after and is counted as one of the original founders........]

    I don't know what Khosla and McNealy contributed, but apparently Bechtolsheim and Joy were the brains, engineers, designers.
    You know, the real founders.

  156. @Thomm
    Jupiter networks was just a poor copy of Cisco. They are not creating anything that wasn’t already here.

    Juniper Networks (you couldn't even get the name right) has a market value of $11B. It would not exist if it produced no value. Sun Microsystems was even more successful at its peak. Others include Workday, etc.

    Plus, you talk as if you could have founded those companies. In reality, you would not even get an entry-level job there.

    The point is, Indians are the most successful ethnic group in the US, bar none. Given that white nationalists represent the bottom 20% of whites (i.e. the wigger level), there really is no overlap.

    Indians are the most successful ethnic group in the US, bar none

    The reported data on household income are all based on self reported surveys. There is no independent verification. Can it be trusted?

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    Of course it is cross-checked. Otherwise a different country would be at the top each year, and African Americans would probably be near the top due to false reporting.

    Plus, Jews underreport since a lot of their income is sheltered in trusts and foundation, so they may in fact be higher than Indians, but they are the only ones.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_household_income

    The point is not that Indians are superior - they certainly are not. The point is that they are not 'inferior' like these WN wiggers claim, as the Indians who come to the US are not even the top Indians.
  157. @utu
    Indians are the most successful ethnic group in the US, bar none

    The reported data on household income are all based on self reported surveys. There is no independent verification. Can it be trusted?

    Of course it is cross-checked. Otherwise a different country would be at the top each year, and African Americans would probably be near the top due to false reporting.

    Plus, Jews underreport since a lot of their income is sheltered in trusts and foundation, so they may in fact be higher than Indians, but they are the only ones.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_household_income

    The point is not that Indians are superior – they certainly are not. The point is that they are not ‘inferior’ like these WN wiggers claim, as the Indians who come to the US are not even the top Indians.

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  158. @Thomm
    Jupiter networks was just a poor copy of Cisco. They are not creating anything that wasn’t already here.

    Juniper Networks (you couldn't even get the name right) has a market value of $11B. It would not exist if it produced no value. Sun Microsystems was even more successful at its peak. Others include Workday, etc.

    Plus, you talk as if you could have founded those companies. In reality, you would not even get an entry-level job there.

    The point is, Indians are the most successful ethnic group in the US, bar none. Given that white nationalists represent the bottom 20% of whites (i.e. the wigger level), there really is no overlap.

    You should move to India. A country with 1.2B of those high earning IT geniuses must be the best place in the world to live. Why are you still here? Pack your bags and go. Incredible India awaits.

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  159. @Thomm
    Jupiter networks was just a poor copy of Cisco. They are not creating anything that wasn’t already here.

    Juniper Networks (you couldn't even get the name right) has a market value of $11B. It would not exist if it produced no value. Sun Microsystems was even more successful at its peak. Others include Workday, etc.

    Plus, you talk as if you could have founded those companies. In reality, you would not even get an entry-level job there.

    The point is, Indians are the most successful ethnic group in the US, bar none. Given that white nationalists represent the bottom 20% of whites (i.e. the wigger level), there really is no overlap.

    from your #111:{Anyway, Indians only came here recently, yet still founded companies like Sun Microsystems, …..}

    and #159: {Sun Microsystems was even more successful at its peak}

    from Wiki:
    Sun founders: Andy Bechtolsheim, Bill Joy, Scott McNealy, Vinod Khosla.
    So how did ‘Indians’ found Sun exactly?
    One Indian, out of 4, makes it “Indians founded” in your alternative Universe?
    btw: one Indian educated at Stanford, famous Indian university established by Indians, of course.

    from Wiki:
    [The initial design for what became Sun's first Unix workstation, the Sun-1, was conceived by Andy Bechtolsheim when he was a graduate student at Stanford University in Palo Alto, California. Bechtolsheim originally designed the SUN workstation for the Stanford University Network communications project as a personal CAD workstation. It was designed around the Motorola 68000 processor with an advanced memory management unit (MMU) to support the Unix operating system with virtual memory support. He built the first ones from spare parts obtained from Stanford's Department of Computer Science and Silicon Valley supply houses.
    On February 24, 1982, Vinod Khosla, Andy Bechtolsheim, and Scott McNealy, all Stanford graduate students, founded Sun Microsystems. Bill Joy of Berkeley, a primary developer of the Berkeley Software Distribution (BSD), joined soon after and is counted as one of the original founders........]

    I don’t know what Khosla and McNealy contributed, but apparently Bechtolsheim and Joy were the brains, engineers, designers.
    You know, the real founders.

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    er.. being one of the four founders (and the second richest of them today), at a time when Indians were 0.1% of the US population (the 1980s) is something.

    It is funny how you want to denigrate that accomplishment, when a WN wigger like you would not even get an entry-level job at a reputed tech company.

    Heh heh heh heh
  160. @Avery
    from your #111:{Anyway, Indians only came here recently, yet still founded companies like Sun Microsystems, .....}

    and #159: {Sun Microsystems was even more successful at its peak}

    from Wiki:
    Sun founders: Andy Bechtolsheim, Bill Joy, Scott McNealy, Vinod Khosla.
    So how did 'Indians' found Sun exactly?
    One Indian, out of 4, makes it "Indians founded" in your alternative Universe?
    btw: one Indian educated at Stanford, famous Indian university established by Indians, of course.

    from Wiki:
    [The initial design for what became Sun's first Unix workstation, the Sun-1, was conceived by Andy Bechtolsheim when he was a graduate student at Stanford University in Palo Alto, California. Bechtolsheim originally designed the SUN workstation for the Stanford University Network communications project as a personal CAD workstation. It was designed around the Motorola 68000 processor with an advanced memory management unit (MMU) to support the Unix operating system with virtual memory support. He built the first ones from spare parts obtained from Stanford's Department of Computer Science and Silicon Valley supply houses.
    On February 24, 1982, Vinod Khosla, Andy Bechtolsheim, and Scott McNealy, all Stanford graduate students, founded Sun Microsystems. Bill Joy of Berkeley, a primary developer of the Berkeley Software Distribution (BSD), joined soon after and is counted as one of the original founders........]

    I don't know what Khosla and McNealy contributed, but apparently Bechtolsheim and Joy were the brains, engineers, designers.
    You know, the real founders.

    er.. being one of the four founders (and the second richest of them today), at a time when Indians were 0.1% of the US population (the 1980s) is something.

    It is funny how you want to denigrate that accomplishment, when a WN wigger like you would not even get an entry-level job at a reputed tech company.

    Heh heh heh heh

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    {It is funny how you want to denigrate that accomplishment, when a WN wigger like you would not even get an entry-level job at a reputed tech company.}

    I proved that you made a blatantly false statement, which made you hysterical, and like all losers you are resorting to calling people names.

    Not only you are hysterical and a blatant liar, but your hatred of 'Whites' has blinded you. I clearly wrote above that I am not 'White'* (i.e. I am not Anglo-Saxon): my ancestry is Armenian.

    And what is it with this 'WN wigger'** you keep throwing around?
    Do you even know what it means?
    I doubt any of the posters above replying to your hyperbole about Indians are trying to emulate 'behaviour and tastes attributed to African-Americans.'
    Judging by the content of their other posts, I would wager quite the opposite.

    ________________
    *
    'White': reason I put it in quotes, is because I do not know what is meant by it when people us it. If it means Anglo-Saxon, then I am not. If means European, I am not that either. If it means Caucasian/Caucasoid, then I am.
    In fact the arch-type of 'Caucasian' was described by the guy that classified the three major races (Caucasoid, Negroid, Mongoloid) based on the characteristics of people of Republic of Georgia in the Caucasus. Armenia is next door.

    One of the two major competing theories of where people in Europe came from is the place called Armenian Highlands (now known as Eastern Turkey) about 25,000 years ago. Although of course at that time 'Armenians' were just proto-Armenian and other groupings: proto-Armenians coalesced into Armenians much later. So some stayed in the Armenian Highlands and became 'Armenian', and others migrated to Europe.


    **
    [wig·ger
    ˈwiɡər/Submit
    noun US informal
    a white person who tries to emulate or acquire cultural behaviour and tastes attributed to African-Americans.]

  161. @Thomm
    er.. being one of the four founders (and the second richest of them today), at a time when Indians were 0.1% of the US population (the 1980s) is something.

    It is funny how you want to denigrate that accomplishment, when a WN wigger like you would not even get an entry-level job at a reputed tech company.

    Heh heh heh heh

    {It is funny how you want to denigrate that accomplishment, when a WN wigger like you would not even get an entry-level job at a reputed tech company.}

    I proved that you made a blatantly false statement, which made you hysterical, and like all losers you are resorting to calling people names.

    Not only you are hysterical and a blatant liar, but your hatred of ‘Whites’ has blinded you. I clearly wrote above that I am not ‘White’* (i.e. I am not Anglo-Saxon): my ancestry is Armenian.

    And what is it with this ‘WN wigger’** you keep throwing around?
    Do you even know what it means?
    I doubt any of the posters above replying to your hyperbole about Indians are trying to emulate ‘behaviour and tastes attributed to African-Americans.’
    Judging by the content of their other posts, I would wager quite the opposite.

    ________________
    *
    ‘White’: reason I put it in quotes, is because I do not know what is meant by it when people us it. If it means Anglo-Saxon, then I am not. If means European, I am not that either. If it means Caucasian/Caucasoid, then I am.
    In fact the arch-type of ‘Caucasian’ was described by the guy that classified the three major races (Caucasoid, Negroid, Mongoloid) based on the characteristics of people of Republic of Georgia in the Caucasus. Armenia is next door.

    One of the two major competing theories of where people in Europe came from is the place called Armenian Highlands (now known as Eastern Turkey) about 25,000 years ago. Although of course at that time ‘Armenians’ were just proto-Armenian and other groupings: proto-Armenians coalesced into Armenians much later. So some stayed in the Armenian Highlands and became ‘Armenian’, and others migrated to Europe.

    **
    [wig·ger
    ˈwiɡər/Submit
    noun US informal
    a white person who tries to emulate or acquire cultural behaviour and tastes attributed to African-Americans.]

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  162. I proved that you made a blatantly false statement,

    What false statement? Be specific.

    Outwitting you with facts is not a ‘false statement’. Then again, as a leftist, that is the tendency you often have.. (e.g. ‘Bush lied about WNDs’).

    Wigger : a white person with abilities and intellect more comparable to a black person. I have met many WNs, and they tend to have the same low cognitive ceiling.

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    {What false statement? Be specific.}

    Are you really that dense, or you are being deliberately obtuse?

    Here:
    {from your #111:{Anyway, Indians only came here recently, yet still founded companies like Sun Microsystems, …..}}

    It's called lying by omission.
    Indians didn't found Sun: one Indian was one of the 4 co-founders.
    The other 3 were _not_ Indian.
    And as noted, the real founders were 2 non-Indian guys.
    So Indians did not found Sun. You lied hoping to create a false image of Indians' alleged achievement, hoping nobody would check.

    {Wigger : a white person with abilities and intellect more comparable to a black person. I have met many WNs, and they tend to have the same low cognitive ceiling.}

    The same 'low cognitive ceiling' ?
    Wow.

    As I noted before, you appear to be living in some kind of alternative Universe.
    Here is the definition of 'wigger':
    *[TOP DEFINITION
    wigger
    A male caucasion, usually born and raised in the suburbs that displays a strong desire to emulate African American Hip Hop culture and style through "Bling" fashion and generally accepted "thug life" guiding principles. ]

    Not only you are a hate filled delusional bigot, but you are uneducated and stupid to boot.
    And..... 'Heh heh heh heh'?
    Who writes that in a post?
    How old are you boy?
    ___________
    *

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=wigger
  163. @Anonymous
    America did not need Indians to dominate in the software space.

    Indians were cheaper yes, but they are also lower quality. This is a good trade if you are a CEO and want to juice your numbers, but not so good for anyone else except the Indians who come here.

    Why do the Indians need to come here anyway? Why can't they do the work remotely?

    America did not need Indians to dominate in the software space.

    Its easy to say that, but do we know this for certain? The appropriate biological metaphor is the Red Queen where all of the relevant players have to keep running in order to keep up. Even with a first mover advantage, if US companies denied themselves or were denied from using cheap labor, what if another Western European country with similar IQ did? Germany? The UK? I’m familiar enough with the Silicon Valley to say that companies that didn’t play these stupid cost games often ended up being killed.

    Wal-mart, for example, proved to be an overwhelming and hegemonic retail presence through its low-cost leadership, not only through Chinese imports but by abusing just about every single regulation, and even so, its a leader in its field.

    This is the heartless result of capitalism, which is very much a race to the bottom. I do not, in case you wonder, advocate this. But its worthwhile to note. It screws almost everyone, including Blair’s “Native Born White American Majority Working Class” and once automation goes in full, perhaps every single living human being. And yet it will come to pass, because capitalism is the God That Exists.

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    I don't think the lack of hiring H-1Bs is what hurt companies in Silicon Valley. Mostly it was the plethora of me-too companies getting whinnied out and companies riding the internet boom providing little real value who ran out of money that caused most of the failures.

    Oracle, Intel, Apple, and Adobe to name a few were well established long before H-1Bs were prevalent. Silicon Valley's business model is not based on low operating costs like most manufacturing companies.
  164. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Thomm
    I am not an Indian, you faggot. I said that before.

    But Indians are the highest-income ethnic group in the US, bar none. Higher than Jews, Chinese, Scandinavians, and English Americans. This has been true for a long time.

    Hence, they outperform you by a mile (remember that a white nationalist is to successful whites what a pygmy from the Congo is to Usain Bolt)..

    I am sick of wigger whites/WNs trying to appropriate the accomplishments of talented whites.

    The Indian is triggered.

    No one believes you are not an Indian. We can tell by how you are acting you are an Indian and now you are just embarrassing yourself.

    The problem with these Indians is that they are used to being high caste in India and with no one challenging them. But in America we don’t think much of them and it drives them crazy.

    So now we have to put up with a combination of Indians trying to prove they are high caste to Americans who don’t care. And passive aggressiveness when the Hindus are put in their place.

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  165. @anarchyst
    Tibetans have larger heart and lungs because they live at high altitudes...the heart and lung capacity is necessarily greater because of less oxygen at higher altitudes.

    But I thought everyone was equal as a blank state!

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  166. @Thomm
    I proved that you made a blatantly false statement,

    What false statement? Be specific.

    Outwitting you with facts is not a 'false statement'. Then again, as a leftist, that is the tendency you often have.. (e.g. 'Bush lied about WNDs').

    Wigger : a white person with abilities and intellect more comparable to a black person. I have met many WNs, and they tend to have the same low cognitive ceiling.

    {What false statement? Be specific.}

    Are you really that dense, or you are being deliberately obtuse?

    Here:
    {from your #111:{Anyway, Indians only came here recently, yet still founded companies like Sun Microsystems, …..}}

    It’s called lying by omission.
    Indians didn’t found Sun: one Indian was one of the 4 co-founders.
    The other 3 were _not_ Indian.
    And as noted, the real founders were 2 non-Indian guys.
    So Indians did not found Sun. You lied hoping to create a false image of Indians’ alleged achievement, hoping nobody would check.

    {Wigger : a white person with abilities and intellect more comparable to a black person. I have met many WNs, and they tend to have the same low cognitive ceiling.}

    The same ‘low cognitive ceiling’ ?
    Wow.

    As I noted before, you appear to be living in some kind of alternative Universe.
    Here is the definition of ‘wigger’:
    *[TOP DEFINITION
    wigger
    A male caucasion, usually born and raised in the suburbs that displays a strong desire to emulate African American Hip Hop culture and style through "Bling" fashion and generally accepted "thug life" guiding principles. ]

    Not only you are a hate filled delusional bigot, but you are uneducated and stupid to boot.
    And….. ‘Heh heh heh heh’?
    Who writes that in a post?
    How old are you boy?
    ___________
    *

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=wigger

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  167. {from your #111:{Anyway, Indians only came here recently, yet still founded companies like Sun Microsystems, …..}}

    A co-founder is still one of the founders, you fool.

    Plus, there is Juniper Networks, discussed above. Workday is another (one of two co-founders was Indian).

    The point is, you are so desperate to denigrate the accomplishments of Vinod Kholsa saying ‘he is only one of the four co-founders’ that you expose your stupidity. You couldn’t even get an entry-level job at a reputed tech company, let alone be one of the four co-founders of it.

    Even now, Indians are the CEOs of Microsoft, Google, Adobe, Sandisk, Netapp, MasterCard, PepsiCo, etc. despite being just 1% of the population. Again, you could not even get an entry-level job at such companies, so are in no position to pooh-pooh the accomplishments.

    Remember, WNs tend to have negro IQs, as you have proven.

    Heh heh heh heh

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  168. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Anon
    You know ''DB Cooper'', i read almost your entire comment history. You are no 'DB Cooper', who are you? If you dont want to use your real name atleast use' anon' or anonymous'.

    Is that you DB Cooper? Why do you have to use a western name to criticise indians. You are not a western person. Is it to make indians criticise the west? Very clever!

    You have been doing this since many months.

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  169. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    Thomm,

    So what if they think of indians as inferior? Let them think like that. What do indians have to lose if they think about indians like that?

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  170. @Priss Factor
    Dumb Conservatives worry about Sharia and Muslims(a problem in EU, not here), but it is Gayria that has real quasi-religious hold over America.

    Get a load of this:

    http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/07/19/gay-activist-says-its-time-to-target-christians-time-to-punish-the-wicked/

    A homo fecal penetrator into 'gay' poo-ride talks about punishing the 'wicked'. He uses religious lingo. So, what is 'wicked'? Defense of true marriage rooted in biology and morality.
    What is holy? Celebration of homo men who do fecal penetration and trannies who hire doctors to carry out frankenstein medicine of genital mutilation far uglier than female clitoris removal in African nations. American religiosity has gone from Sermon on the Mount to Sodom on the Mount. Sexual deviants and perverts are preaching to normal decent people not only about morality(which would be funny enough) but about spirituality. Oh yes, the 'wicked'.

    It goes to show how useless secular culture has become in the West. It is neo-religious with new angels and new devils, new sacraments and new taboos. If you don't support 'gay marriage' or 'same-sex marriage', you are 'wicked' and must be hunted down. Now, Conservatives have been supporting Big Business and Big Money all these yrs, but it is Big Bucks that are behind the Buttfu**s.

    Homomania or Queertianity is the new religion of the West. It is what most 'secular' people go gaga over. Dawkins and Maher mock religious people(and yes, some religious people are truly wacky), but the secularist worship of the golden calf of sodom and mammon is even more ridiculous since it is worship of decadent vanity of homos and trannies. People get so passionate, weepy-eyed, and worked up over the Cult of the Holy Homo.

    The West went from Gay Rights to Gay Rites. The new homily is the homoly. To be 'saved'(and maybe shaved), you need Gay on your side. Even the word 'pride' has been made synonymous with homosexuality. It used to be 'gay pride', a ridiculous enough idea as who wants to associate pride with fecal penetration and genital mutilation? But now, just say 'pride', and it's the domain of homos.

    Many people wanted to be nice to homos and offer them tolerance. But they failed to realize the homo nature. Homos are vain, narcissistic, hissy, and bitchy. They are very jealous and demanding. They prefer fantasy over reality, artifice over nature. So, if a some tranny says he is a 'woman', not only does he fool himself that he is a diva but he demands that we better agree too. And homos feel as members of some elite society of natural aristocrats with style and flair deserving of praise and admiration from straight serfs and peons.
    It is no wonder that Jews have forged the closest alliance with homos since Jews have similar personality traits: chutzpah, cult of specialness, self-righteousness, supremacism, and holy victim mentality. And what better way to destroy deep-rooted gentile spiritual systems like Christianity and Islam with the neo-religion of Queertianity and Homoslam?
    Also, Jews and homos are both for the normalization of minority-elite-supremacism. And Jewish Power and Homo Power are both diaspora power. Jews have settled all over the world, and homos sprout in all parts of the world. Except for Israel, there is no Jewish nation. And there is no homo nation. So, Jewish power and Homo power is about gaining minority supremacist privileges over what are mostly gentile/straight nations.

    So, in social politics, always know the nature of the people you're dealing with. If homos had a saner personality, they would have stopped at Tolerance, the acceptance by straight society that homos are born that way and should be allowed to be free in their deviancy.
    But homos have a vain, narcissistic, queenie-meanie, and neo-aristocratic personality, and once they got some power, they began to demand more and more and more. And homos were bound to become fabulously rich since they are so predominant in vanity and vice industries of pop culture and fashion. They are rolling in ill-gotten profits from peddling opium to the masses. And they got the backing of Wall Street, Hollywood, Las Vegas, and Silicon Valley that are dominated by Jewish oligarchs.

    But in the end, Homomania will fail for the same reason the Golden Calf did. If we look past the fanfare, festivity, fake colors, and fandom, there is nothing there there. There is nothing holy about narcissistic homos and vain trannies. There is nothing moral about 'gay marriage' that equates a homo man's anus with a woman's vagina. There is nothing sane about pretending that a man's penis and balls have been magically transformed into a 'vagina'. And preferring escapist fantasy over sober reality cannot be the basis of real culture and values.

    Stupid Conservatives talk about the need to protect homos from Sharia, but what we really need is to protect sane decent people from Homomaniacs and Poo-Ride supremacists. From Gayria.

    Very interesting, Priss.

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  171. @songbird
    North Korea is an outlier, but of a special type. It had a puppet regime imposed upon it by an outside force. Its isolated terrain and IQ seem to have given it a kind of odd stabilty. But the regime was not created organically, just as none of the Warsaw Pact countries decided to become Communist, not even Czechoslovakia which had a relatively high level of atheism and which the Soviets thought was in the bag.

    A better counterexample would be China or the USSR, but those countries had certain hallmarks like low literacy, and Communism has always imposed itself by extreme violence. The USSR still managed to put the first satellite and man in space.

    Lenin, Stalin and Mao were probably clever. Smart ideologues are probably more dangerous than stupid ones. But average IQ of the populace matters. Elseways, it would perhaps be hard to explain why China is more developed than India, despite it being Communist and having less arable land. Though I suppose one could argue Deng, Hong Kong, or that more of its land is temperate.

    The USSR was a highly literate society and its scientific and technical education became among the top in the world. The priority given to education was one thing Stalin got right. The Mao regime waged a war on China’s educational system that came to a climax during the Cultural Revolution and it took decades for it to recover.

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  172. @slorter
    And what did the intervention and bombing, exploitation, dislocation and playing one group of people of against another do for the people in third world countries invaded by the West and indeed empire?
    There is an old biblical saying "We reap what we sow"

    Less than you might think. China go raped as hard as India and Africa by European colonizers, then by their own warlords, then by the Japanese, then by the depredations of the Mao regime. But their population had what it took – cultural, genetic, whatever – to be resilient and build a high-functioning, modern nation within a couple of generations. Sub-Saharan Africa during the postcolonial era descended into the chaos of tribal rivalry it was during the precolonial era and shows little if any sign of coming out of it. India may be getting wealthier, but the legacy of the caste system is still barbaric and a drag on their ability to form a civil nation. The one area I can think of that supports your thesis is the Levant, the learned center and flower of Arabic culture that, thanks in large part to the west, has had its physical wealth destroyed, is under assault from the barbaric Wahhabism of the Arabian Peninsula, and will be dealing with the consequences for at least a generation.

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  173. @Thomm
    I am not an Indian, you faggot. I said that before.

    But Indians are the highest-income ethnic group in the US, bar none. Higher than Jews, Chinese, Scandinavians, and English Americans. This has been true for a long time.

    Hence, they outperform you by a mile (remember that a white nationalist is to successful whites what a pygmy from the Congo is to Usain Bolt)..

    I am sick of wigger whites/WNs trying to appropriate the accomplishments of talented whites.

    I am not an Indian, you faggot.

    Stuff a sock in it. Don’t blame me for unpleasant facts about Indians and India. The fact that you’re so laser focused on Indians betrays your racial identity.

    I am sick of wigger whites/WNs trying to appropriate the accomplishments of talented whites.

    Yet it’s ok for you to appropriate the accomplishments of Indians and take pride in and extol their supposed virtues in America. Thomm = ignoramus and hypocrite.

    Still no answer on why India, with all its supposed brainpower, can’t lift itself out of 4th world status other than to attack white nationalism just as I said. You are so predictable.

    At least the others had the courage to admit they were Indians after I dragged it out of them. They were better men than you.

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  174. @utu
    and Daniel Chieh

    More links:

    https://thepsychologist.bps.org.uk/so-what-gene

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/suzan-mazur/replace-the-modern-sythes_b_5284211.html

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3388793/

    all curtesy of RaceRealist88 (see his comments under Thompson's notes) who introduced us here to Ken Richardson.

    This will may amuse you if you have not seen it: Ken Robinson talking about the social (school) environment in the development of the imagination:

    Do Schools Kill Creativity

    and

    Bring on the Learning Revolution

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  175. @songbird
    There are so many good stories to tell which would challenge the cultural status quo. It is unfortunate that so many of our storytellers are believers rather than iconoclasts.

    There are so many good stories to tell which would challenge the cultural status quo. It is unfortunate that so many of our storytellers are believers rather than iconoclasts.

    Sounds good on paper, but “message fiction” is nearly always objectionable. It’s tempting to write the next Nineteen Eighty-Four or Atlas Shrugged but the public appetite for such is amazingly small.

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  176. Actually, I would argue the case from personal experience.

    The strong the team the easier it is go get things done. When I was growing up in CO, the local kids were really not amenable to logic or any sort, being self-righteous and opinionated. Hopkins was better though the people were disagreeable, you could have some good talk.

    The Navy was spotty, but if you could make a case, your views worked when the really senior people were listen.

    Wall Street was a delight. One of my customers was the valedictorian of his Harvard class: I didn’t win all the time, but if you could make a case you had an effect.

    After 911, I revived my intelligence contacts, and making a case works: again when people have ‘skin in the game’, a good case works wonder.

    On the other hand where Uhuru rules the day, the outstanding are culled in the names of social peace.

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  177. @Daniel Chieh

    America did not need Indians to dominate in the software space.

     

    Its easy to say that, but do we know this for certain? The appropriate biological metaphor is the Red Queen where all of the relevant players have to keep running in order to keep up. Even with a first mover advantage, if US companies denied themselves or were denied from using cheap labor, what if another Western European country with similar IQ did? Germany? The UK? I'm familiar enough with the Silicon Valley to say that companies that didn't play these stupid cost games often ended up being killed.

    Wal-mart, for example, proved to be an overwhelming and hegemonic retail presence through its low-cost leadership, not only through Chinese imports but by abusing just about every single regulation, and even so, its a leader in its field.

    This is the heartless result of capitalism, which is very much a race to the bottom. I do not, in case you wonder, advocate this. But its worthwhile to note. It screws almost everyone, including Blair's "Native Born White American Majority Working Class" and once automation goes in full, perhaps every single living human being. And yet it will come to pass, because capitalism is the God That Exists.

    I don’t think the lack of hiring H-1Bs is what hurt companies in Silicon Valley. Mostly it was the plethora of me-too companies getting whinnied out and companies riding the internet boom providing little real value who ran out of money that caused most of the failures.

    Oracle, Intel, Apple, and Adobe to name a few were well established long before H-1Bs were prevalent. Silicon Valley’s business model is not based on low operating costs like most manufacturing companies.

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  178. @CanSpeccy
    This will may amuse you if you have not seen it: Ken Robinson talking about the social (school) environment in the development of the imagination:

    Do Schools Kill Creativity

    and

    Bring on the Learning Revolution

    Thanks. I will check it out.

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  179. Much of what passes as “IQ” is culturally determined. A good example is that immigrant Jews to the USA were routinely excluded from military service during WWI due to their low IQ test scores. As time passed, many members of this “dullard” group went on to achieve much better than average results in letters, arts, science, and life in general. Alfred Binet originally developed the IQ test to identify areas where further education was required, not as a ranking system for the social stratification of society.

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    • Replies: @MarkinLA
    not as a ranking system for the social stratification of society.

    Nobody not even the most strident HBDer thinks this. Why do you people always resort to these exaggerations? However, there does need to be some way to try and determine what a person's innate talent is and how best to utilize it. Not only does it benefit society but it gives the individual a better chance at maximizing his earnings potential. If somebody scores at the very bottom of the portion of an IQ test that correlates with mathematical ability, why are we trying to get that kid to take Algebra, Geometry, and Trigonometry and get them into college?

    Right now we have IQ tests. If you think you have a better way to determine the potential of people then have at it and get very, very rich if you succeed.
  180. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    Thomm and Anon are showing what it’s like to have Indians be part of your society. Pure cancer.

    Indians are tribalistic and don’t focus on building value. They would rather screw someone else over which is why they are always arguing everything and focusing on trying to trump up Indian accomplishments or tearing other groups down.

    Notice how Thomm keeps calling us White Nationals just because we are calling out hus Hindu Nationalism. Indians are the most SJW group out there.

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    • Replies: @DB Cooper
    Google "indian fraudsters in usa" and see the list. Here is one just got busted:

    San Jose Businesswoman Pleads Guilty To Tech Worker Visa Fraud
    Defendant Submitted False Contracts, Forged Signatures of Cisco Employees to Federal Government In Scheme to Obtain H-1B Visas Under False Pretenses
    SAN JOSE, CA - A San Jose businesswoman pleaded guilty in federal court today to three counts of visa fraud, announced U.S. Attorney Brian J. Stretch Immigration and Customs Enforcement’s (ICE) Homeland Security Investigations (HSI) Special Agent in Charge Ryan L. Spradlin.  The guilty plea was accepted by the Honorable Lucy H. Koh, U.S. District Judge.
    In pleading guilty, Sridevi Aiyaswamy, 50, of San Jose, admitted that between April 2010 and June 2013 she made numerous false statements, and submitted over 25 fraudulent documents, to the United States Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) for the purpose of obtaining H-1B non-immigrant classifications for skilled foreign workers.  Acting as a petitioner on behalf of foreign worker beneficiaries, Aiyaswamy falsely represented in I-129 petitions that the foreign worker beneficiaries would be working at Cisco, an information technology and networking company in San Jose, Calif.  Aiayswamy further submitted counterfeit statements of work with forged signatures as back-up documentation to the I-129 petitions.  In fact, at the time she submitted these documents to USCIS, Aiyaswamy knew that the statements regarding offers of work from Cisco for these beneficiaries were false statements, and that Cisco had not made any offers of employment regarding these individuals.   
    A federal grand jury indicted Aiyaswamy on December 3, 2015, charging her with 34 counts of visa fraud, in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 1546(a).  Pursuant to today’s pea agreement, Aiyaswamy pleaded guilty to three of the counts of visa fraud and the government agreed to request dismissal of the remaining counts.  
    Aiyaswamy is currently free on bond.  Judge Koh scheduled her sentencing for November 15, 2017, at 9:15 a.m.  The maximum statutory penalty for visa fraud is 10 years in prison and a $250,000 fine.  However, any sentence following conviction will be imposed by the court only after consideration of the U.S. Sentencing Guidelines and the federal statute governing the imposition of a sentence, 18 U.S.C. § 3553. 


    Reference : http://techinsurgent.com/post/2017/07/23/Another-Slumdog-Slave-Trader-Gets-Busted1.aspx

  181. @Anonymous
    Thomm and Anon are showing what it's like to have Indians be part of your society. Pure cancer.

    Indians are tribalistic and don't focus on building value. They would rather screw someone else over which is why they are always arguing everything and focusing on trying to trump up Indian accomplishments or tearing other groups down.

    Notice how Thomm keeps calling us White Nationals just because we are calling out hus Hindu Nationalism. Indians are the most SJW group out there.

    Google “indian fraudsters in usa” and see the list. Here is one just got busted:

    San Jose Businesswoman Pleads Guilty To Tech Worker Visa Fraud
    Defendant Submitted False Contracts, Forged Signatures of Cisco Employees to Federal Government In Scheme to Obtain H-1B Visas Under False Pretenses
    SAN JOSE, CA – A San Jose businesswoman pleaded guilty in federal court today to three counts of visa fraud, announced U.S. Attorney Brian J. Stretch Immigration and Customs Enforcement’s (ICE) Homeland Security Investigations (HSI) Special Agent in Charge Ryan L. Spradlin.  The guilty plea was accepted by the Honorable Lucy H. Koh, U.S. District Judge.
    In pleading guilty, Sridevi Aiyaswamy, 50, of San Jose, admitted that between April 2010 and June 2013 she made numerous false statements, and submitted over 25 fraudulent documents, to the United States Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) for the purpose of obtaining H-1B non-immigrant classifications for skilled foreign workers.  Acting as a petitioner on behalf of foreign worker beneficiaries, Aiyaswamy falsely represented in I-129 petitions that the foreign worker beneficiaries would be working at Cisco, an information technology and networking company in San Jose, Calif.  Aiayswamy further submitted counterfeit statements of work with forged signatures as back-up documentation to the I-129 petitions.  In fact, at the time she submitted these documents to USCIS, Aiyaswamy knew that the statements regarding offers of work from Cisco for these beneficiaries were false statements, and that Cisco had not made any offers of employment regarding these individuals.   
    A federal grand jury indicted Aiyaswamy on December 3, 2015, charging her with 34 counts of visa fraud, in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 1546(a).  Pursuant to today’s pea agreement, Aiyaswamy pleaded guilty to three of the counts of visa fraud and the government agreed to request dismissal of the remaining counts.  
    Aiyaswamy is currently free on bond.  Judge Koh scheduled her sentencing for November 15, 2017, at 9:15 a.m.  The maximum statutory penalty for visa fraud is 10 years in prison and a $250,000 fine.  However, any sentence following conviction will be imposed by the court only after consideration of the U.S. Sentencing Guidelines and the federal statute governing the imposition of a sentence, 18 U.S.C. § 3553. 

    Reference : http://techinsurgent.com/post/2017/07/23/Another-Slumdog-Slave-Trader-Gets-Busted1.aspx

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  182. @SteveP
    Much of what passes as "IQ" is culturally determined. A good example is that immigrant Jews to the USA were routinely excluded from military service during WWI due to their low IQ test scores. As time passed, many members of this "dullard" group went on to achieve much better than average results in letters, arts, science, and life in general. Alfred Binet originally developed the IQ test to identify areas where further education was required, not as a ranking system for the social stratification of society.

    not as a ranking system for the social stratification of society.

    Nobody not even the most strident HBDer thinks this. Why do you people always resort to these exaggerations? However, there does need to be some way to try and determine what a person’s innate talent is and how best to utilize it. Not only does it benefit society but it gives the individual a better chance at maximizing his earnings potential. If somebody scores at the very bottom of the portion of an IQ test that correlates with mathematical ability, why are we trying to get that kid to take Algebra, Geometry, and Trigonometry and get them into college?

    Right now we have IQ tests. If you think you have a better way to determine the potential of people then have at it and get very, very rich if you succeed.

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  183. @DB Cooper
    "Again, the CEOs of Microsoft, Google, Adobe, Sandisk, Arista Networks, Mastercard, NetApp, and recently Citigroup and US Airways, were all Indian. "

    Indians like to brag about how many managerial positions are held by Indians, how they are the top tier in terms of income earning in the US...etc. Other than that there is not much for Indians to show for it. There should be a study done to see why Indians held so many managerial jobs in big companies.

    When I was in college there were a lot of Indian professors in the engineering and computer science department so I was then under the impression that Indians are smart. But looking at the studies available it is clear that Indians on average have a pretty low IQ. Granted if you have a billion people there are bound to be some very smart people. And these smart people are the ones that occupies professorships in STEM fields.

    Studies from different sources are pretty consistent that point to the fact that Indians have pretty low IQ on average. Whether these are from IQ surveys, PISA test, IMO results, top tier programming contest...etc.

    The most common form of Indian nationalism is hindu nationalism. And ‘hinduism’ is basically segregation/caste system that aims to keep the upper castes/Brahmins in elevated position. You’re a dalit sewage ‘diver’? Well, too bad, you had done evil in your previous lives, so here you’re reincarnated into ‘untouchable’ misery. It’s called ‘dharmic spirituality’. Whatever good for the Brahmins/upper-castes would be considered good for the Indians, and without doubt, India is probably the most elitist country on Earth. Since the brown Aryan Brahmins always consider themselves sun tanned cousins of white Aryans and America is a wealthy country, so the majority of the more educated Brahmins want to immigrate to US(IT work is a good route), even it’s obviously ‘Brain Drain’ detrimental to the well being of India and the average Indians.

    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQgwVqKkNagqFWl-MnDHrYJtGHY-G7Y7ORPk_PgpPhsLPRuCVo2

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