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Through the summer the world has watched as protests shook Hong Kong. As early as April they began as peaceful demonstrations which peaked in early June, with hundreds of thousands, in protest of an extradition bill. That bill would have allowed Hong Kong, a Special Administrative Region of China, to return criminals to Taiwan, mainland China or Macau for crimes committed there – after approval by multiple layers of the Hong Kong judiciary. In the wake of those enormous nonviolent demonstrations, Carrie Lam, CEO of Hong Kong, “suspended” consideration of the extradition bill, a face-saving ploy. To make sure she was understood, she declared it “dead.” The large rallies, an undeniable expression of the peaceful will of a large segment of the Hong Kong population had won an impressive victory. The unpopular extradition bill was slain.

But that was not the end of the story. A smaller segment continued the protests. (The Hong Kong police at one point estimated 4,000 hard core protesters.) pressed on with other demands, beginning with a demand that the bill be “withdrawn,” not simply “suspended.” To this writer death by “suspension” is every bit as terminal as death by “withdrawal.” As this piece is sent to press, news comes that Corrie Lam has now formally withdrawn the bill.

As the summer passed, two iconic photos presented us with two human faces that captured two crucial features of the ongoing protests; they were not shown widely in the West.

First, Fu Guohao, a reporter for the Chinese mainland newspaper, Global Times, was attacked, bound and beaten by protesters during their takeover of the Hong Kong International Airport. When police and rescuers tried to free him, the protesters blocked them and also attempted to block the ambulance that eventually bore him off to the hospital. The photos and videos of this ugly sequence were seen by netizens across the globe even though given scant attention in Western media. Where were the stalwart defenders of the press in the US as this happened? As one example, DemocracyNow! (DN!) was completely silent as was the rest of the U.S. mainstream media.

Fu’s beating came after many weeks when the protesters threw up barriers to stop traffic; blocked closure of subway doors, in defiance of commuters and police, to shut down mass transit; sacked and vandalized the HK legislature building; assaulted bystanders who disagreed with them; attacked the police with Molotov cocktails; and stormed and defaced police stations. Fu’s ordeal and all these actions shown in photos on Hong Kong’s South China Morning Post, a paper leaning to the side of protesters, gave the lie to the image of these “democracy activists” as young Ghandis of East Asia. (The South China Morning Post is based in Hong Kong and its readership is concentrated there so it has to have some reasonable fidelity in reporting events; otherwise it loses credibility – and circulation. Similarly, much as the New York Times abhorred Occupy Wall Street, it could not fail to report on it.)

Which brings us to the second photo, much more important to U.S. citizens, that of a “Political Counselor” at the U.S. Consulate General in Hong Kong who in August was pictured meeting with, Joshua Long and Nathan Law, at a hotel there. The official was formerly a State Dept functionary in the Middle East – in Jerusalem, Riyadh, Beirut, Baghdad and Doha, certainly not an area lacking in imperial intrigues and regime change ops. That photo graphically contradicted the contention that there is no US “black hand,” as China calls it, in the Hong Kong riots. In fact, here the “black hand” was caught red-handed, leading Chen Weihua, a very perceptive China Daily columnist, to tweet the picture with the comment: “This is very very embarrassing. … a US diplomat in Hong Kong, was caught meeting HK protest leaders. It would be hard to imagine the US reaction if a Chinese diplomat were meeting leaders of Occupy Wall Street, Black Lives Matter or Never Trump protesters.”

And that photo with the protest leaders is just a snap shot of the ample evidence of the hand of the U.S. government and its subsidiaries in the Hong Kong events. Perhaps the best documentation of the U.S. “black hand” is to be found in Dan Cohen’s superb article of August 17 in The Greyzone entitled, “Behind a made-for-TV Hong Kong protest narrative, Washington is backing nativism and mob violence.” The article by Cohen deserves careful reading; it leaves little doubt that there is a very deep involvement of the US in the Hong Kong riots. Of special interest is the detailed role and funding, amounting to over $1.3 million, in Hong Kong alone in recent years, of the U.S. National Endowment for Democracy (NED), ever on the prowl for new regime change opportunities. Perhaps most important, the leaders of the “leaderless” protests have met with major US political figures such as John Bolton, Vice President Pence, Secretary Pompeo, Senator Marco Rubio, Democratic Rep. Eliot Engel, Nancy Pelosi and others, all of whom have heartily endorsed their efforts. This is not to deny that the protests were home grown at the outset in response to what was widely perceived as a legitimate grievance. But it would be equally absurd to deny that the U.S. is fishing in troubled Hong Kong waters to advance its anti-China crusade and regime change ambitions.

That said, where is the U.S. peace movement on the question of Hong Kong?

Let us be clear. One can sympathize with the demand of many citizens of Hong Kong to end the extradition bill or even the other four demands: an inquiry into police handling of their protests; the retraction of a government characterization of the demonstrations as riots; an amnesty for arrested protesters; and universal suffrage. (The first three all grow out of violence of the protests, be it noted.) But that is the business of the citizens of Hong Kong and all the rest of China. It is not the business of the U.S. government. Peace activists in the US should be hard at work documenting and denouncing the US government’s meddling in Hong Kong, which could set us on the road to war with China, potentially a nuclear war. And that is a mission for which we in the U.S. are uniquely suited since, at least in theory, we have some control over our government.

So, we should expect to hear the cry, “US Government, Hands Off Hong Kong”? Sadly, with a few principled exceptions it is nowhere to be heard on either the left or right.

Let’s take DemocracyNow! (DN!) as one example, a prominent one on the “progressive” end of the spectrum. From April through August 28, there have been 25 brief accounts (“headlines” as DN! calls them, each amounting to a few paragraphs) of the events in Hong Kong and 4 features, longer supposedly analytic pieces, on the same topic. Transcripts of the four features are here, here, here and here. There is not a single mention of possible US involvement or the meetings of the various leaders of the protest movement with Pompeo, Bolton, Pence, or the “Political Counselor” of the US Hong Kong consulate.

And this silence on US meddling is true not only of most progressive commentators but also most conservatives.

On the Left when someone cries “Democracy,” many forget all their pro-peace sentiment. And similarly on the Right when someone cries “Communism,” anti-interventionism too often goes down the tubes. Forgotten is John Quincy Adams’s 1823 dictum, endlessly quoted but little honored, “We do not go abroad in search of monsters to destroy.” Where does this lapse on the part of activists come from? Is it a deep-seated loyalty to Empire, the result of endless indoctrination? Is it U.S. Exceptionalism, ingrained to the point of unconsciousness? Or is it at bottom a question of who the paymasters are?

On both sides anti-interventionism takes an especially hard hit when it comes to major competitors of the US, powers that could actually stand in the way of US global hegemony, like Russia or China. In fact on its August 12 program, DN! managed a story taking a swipe at Russia right next to the one on Hong Kong – and DN! was in the forefront of advancing the now debunked and disgraced Russiagate Conspiracy Theory. In contrast, the anti-interventionist movement is front and center when it comes to weaker nations, for example Venezuela – and quite properly so. But when one puts this advocacy for weaker nations together with the New Cold War stance on China and Russia, one must ask what is going on here. Does it betoken a sort of imperial paternalism on the part of DN and like-minded outlets? It certainly gains DN!, and others like it, considerable credibility among anti-interventionists which can help win them to a position in favor of DN!’s New Cold War stance. And the masters of Empire certainly understand how valuable such credibility can be at crucial moments when support for their adventures is needed from every quarter.

Fortunately, there are a handful of exceptions to this New Cold War attitude. For example, on the left Popular Resistance has provided a view of the events in Hong Kong and a superb interview with K.J. Noh that go beyond the line of the State Department, the mainstream media and DN! And on the libertarian Right there is the Ron Paul Institute for Peace and Prosperity and the work of its Executive Director Dan McAdams.

We would all do well to follow the example of these organizations in rejecting a New Cold War mentality which is extremely dangerous, perhaps fatally so. A good beginning for us in the U.S. is to demand of our government, “Hands Off Hong Kong.”

John V. Walsh can be reached at [email protected]

 
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  1. SOL says:

    Yawn. Other than the meeting what evidence is there of US involvement?

  2. anonymous[340] • Disclaimer says:

    Thank you, especially for calling out DemocracyNow!

    With few exceptions, America’s “Progressives,” especially since 2009, have been no threat to Uncle Sam’s Empire. That purring of Amy Goodman and her clones on NPR is just Team Blue’s answer to the barking of Rush Limbaugh.

    All part of the show needed to keep enough Americans herded into the next Most Important Election Ever.

    • Agree: Ghan-buri-Ghan, Robjil
  3. Anon[681] • Disclaimer says:

    I agree the US needs to butt out of HK and everyone else’s business. Mike Pence, Pompeo and Bolton are the axis of evil that are puppets to the Zionist global banking cabal. The cabal knows China is the gold mine and wants to install a friendly regime that will protect their “investments” in China, i.e. allow them unfettered access to their central bank and control their money supply. The protesters in HK are just another group of useful idiots.

    Moreover, anyone who’s ever visited HK knows how nasty and rude those people are. I have zero sympathy for those people, nor their mainland kin, just want all of these people to stay the hell out of the US. So yes, let’s start by the US staying the hell out of HK/China/Taiwan.

    Deport anyone who supports those nasty protestors to HK, start with the axis of evil and their chihuahua, Marco Rubio.

    • Agree: mark green
    • Replies: @Neechee
  4. nsa says:

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    • Replies: @GeeBee
    , @Chinaman
    , @Rollmop
  5. Daemon says:
    @SOL

    Yup, I’m sure two parties who have nothing to gain from each other’s involvement just decided to one day meet up and discuss their favorite cupcake recipes.

    Troll.

  6. Paul says:

    Death to the Communist insect that preys upon the lives of the people!

    • LOL: Kevin O'Keeffe
  7. The social networks and free media deleted thousands of accounts in preparation for this media blitz push on HK.

    What is fascinating is do the us govt think this retarded riot can change China?

    Just doing it to annoy them?

    Part of the full spectrum pressure to see if the Chinese elite will cave like the USSR leaders did?

    Or just another facet of the trade war like the arrest of the huawei CFO?

    On a related note, if the Chinese govt know who the ring leaders are, why not straight up deep sixed them all? Why let them live?

    • Replies: @animalogic
    , @Amon
  8. Smith says:

    We did not see democracy now activists in the Yellow Vest protests either.

    Or when Andy Ngo was beaten by antifa.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  9. Technomad says:

    Any time we want to bring China to heel, all we have to do is forbid Chinese goods access to our markets. Without their Wirtschaftwunder, the Chinese government will start feeling real discontent from below, and the Mandate of Heaven may well pass hands.

    • Replies: @GeeBee
    , @Thirdeye
    , @d dan
  10. Toy says:

    > Brexit bad, Chinxit good.
    > coz democracy

  11. GeeBee says:
    @nsa

    Vely good! Rubbery descliption of leality.

  12. Anon[424] • Disclaimer says:

    Obviously if the protesters of the declining Hong Kong are carrying USA & UK flags , they are working for USA & UK . They are giving a hand to the USA in the frame of the very nasty commercial war USA-China going on . So the demostrators are traitors to China and to Hong Kong , they are contributing to the decline of Hong Kong .

    • Replies: @Michael1919
  13. GeeBee says:
    @Technomad

    ‘bring China to heel’

    Your metaphor is that of the dog-owner, who is of course assumed to own and control the dog. Sadly for ‘murca, the tables have turned and the dog has metamorphosed into the master. Anyone who supposes that the USA is still in a position to ‘bring China to heel’ is either daft, deluded or merely behind the game. That ship sailed long ago, and it is the USA (and no less the EU) that needs cheap Chinese goods in order to maintain the shallow and ultimately pointless Modernist culture of panem et circenses, without which the otherwise supine American populace might actually rise up and protest. There would, in short, be riots – and especially so among that class of American person mostly dependent upon benefits.

    American manufacturing, to put it plainly, is so lamentably fallen away that the USA is no longer in any position to adopt an isolationist economic policy, least of all by an attempt to ‘forbid Chinese goods access to our markets’. This is the deliberate result of allowing laissez-faire economics to run amok, in furtherance of featherbedding the capitalist, at the expense of maintaining security and harmony among ordinary people. Or to put it another way, a failure to learn from the Chinese approach to social and economic strategy.

    If one might paraphrase the words of Harold Macmillan in Capetown in 1960: “The wind of change is blowing through the continents. Whether we like it or not, the BRI and the SCO is a political fact.”

  14. @Astuteobservor II

    “What is fascinating is do the us govt think this retarded riot can change China?”
    What does the US want ? Well, all the rioting etc etc is OK — embarrassing for Beijing.
    But, better would be a repeat of Tiananmen Squ. Oh, how good would that be ! UN sanctions, never ending hand ringing & vitriol in the msm.
    Best of all, maybe complete civil break down — & all for a few million $$. Bargain !

  15. anonymous[191] • Disclaimer says:

    China should close the US,UK and Israeli missions and consulates in Hong Kong and tell them that all business with Hong Kong is to be done through the Beijing embassy.

    • Replies: @Parfois1
    , @Curmudgeon
  16. @SOL

    Yawn. Other than the meeting what evidence is there of US involvement?

    If you see one cockroach in your kitchen, you can be sure there are plenty more.

  17. @Smith

    We did not see democracy now activists in the Yellow Vest protests either.

    Or when Andy Ngo was beaten by antifa.

    Hey, there are limits to what Amy can do in a 24 hour 7 day week.

  18. GMC says:

    No problem , just do what the Mossad do. Send in some hit teams and kill the perpetrators that escape to HK . The message will get across – just – like the rest of the world has been targeted. Withdraw the extradition bill and watch those crowds – look for other plans. Thanks Unz Rew.

  19. Thirdeye says:
    @Technomad

    And all China has to do is put some of their US Treasury bonds on the market. Their stake in Dollar-based financial systems is not what it was even 10 years ago.

  20. Thirdeye says:

    Amy Goodman has been all about selling neoliberal globalist projects to left-liberals for years. If her co-optation wasn’t obvious from her support of the “Arab Spring” regime change projects it should be now. The fate of Democracy Now! is a good lesson about putting so much narrative power in the hands of one colossal ego.

    • Replies: @Squarebeard
  21. This Hong Kong CIA color revolution has really been useful in separating the wheat from the chaff.

    Bit strange how Democracy Now, New York Times, CNN, BBC, Breitbart, Fox News, Huffington Post, ZeroHedge, Donald Trump, Hillary Clinton, Mike Pompeo, Ilhan Omar, and Alex Jones can all come together to agree on this one matter, isn’t it? Hmm….

    • Agree: Digital Samizdat
  22. Parfois1 says:
    @anonymous

    China should close the US,UK and Israeli missions and consulates in Hong Kong and tell them that all business with Hong Kong is to be done through the Beijing embassy.

    Indeed, that should have been done long ago, considering the US reputation for interference in other countries affairs.

    The external affairs power of the Basic Law grants the PRC competence to deal with all matters relating to foreign matters. The restraint and goodwill of the Chinese government borders on naivety, unless there are some peculiar (?) reasons for so much tolerance.

  23. Sinistre says:

    The Chinese govt should ask advice from Bibi – he would know what to do.
    But obviously nobody would demand justice in the recent case of the guy murdering his girlfriend in Taiwan and subsequently serving 18 months for mail fraud in HK.
    CIA station chiefs must be getting careless on the photo-op front. Let us hope nobody can follow the money to NED.

  24. @Anon

    There also very anti white there I’ve heard this from dozens of ex Pat’s they thought we were stupid

  25. onebornfree says: • Website

    John V.Walsh says:“To this writer death by “suspension” is every bit as terminal as death by “withdrawal.” As this piece is sent to press, news comes that Corrie Lam has now formally withdrawn the bill.”

    Which only illustrates exactly how naive you are. You really think that the bills withdrawal will be adhered to in any meaningful way?

    Next you’ll be claiming that in the US we have a right to free speech, or to own and bear armaments for protection against the government, or that those accused of crimes have a right to due process!

    Your naivete is further illustrated by a complete lack of consideration of the idea that most likely, there were/are probably many Chi-com agent provocateurs involved in the riots and anti-police attacks.

    Also entirely ignored is the [supposedly] officially agreed on China takeover date of 2047.

    But somehow, its all “just” about US interference. Yeah,right :-).

    Yet another idiotic Chi-com sympathizer. It never ends.

    No regards, onebornfree

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
    , @JP
  26. A madam finds a waif in the streets and brings her back to the bordello to nurse her back to health and vigour. In time, the little slut grows up into a well developed whore, largely due to the generous care provided by the “house” and its devoted staff. Then one day, out of the clear blue sky, in ordet to test her own power, though once nearly on the brink of death due to forced starvation, the yellow jade challenges the strong but genteel “mamma” and gets done in by her own folly. Let that be the edification of all the strumpets out there who dare question the Empire!

    • Replies: @Parfois1
  27. @Thirdeye

    The fate of Democracy Now! is a good lesson about putting so much narrative power in the hands of one colossal ego.

    Americans have this weird need to “trust” their preferred news source or their favorite talking head as if they are close friends of the family who they can safely leave the kids with for a weekend. When it is inevitably revealed that these people lie, serve masters/donors with an ideological agenda or are otherwise untrustworthy there are gasps of shock and disappointment all around as yet another “trusted” star falls from grace.

    The moral of the story is don’t expect any news outfit or celebrity “journalist” to be completely honest and dedicated to truth telling. Learn to read between the lines and peruse a variety of sources, including ones that challenge your world view. Read books and in-depth articles from different perspectives and reflect on it all once in a while. That’s the only way to get a reasonably accurate idea of what is going on in the world.

    • Agree: Parfois1
    • Replies: @Showmethereal
  28. Pandos says:

    I firmly don’t care about the people in HK.

    • Replies: @Chinaman
  29. Theo says:

    Here in Germany you hardly read,heard or saw any of rioters violence against ordinary people ,police or public property either.Only recently a few news outlets reported about the violence perpetrated by the protesters.But the narrative still is”the protesters fight for democracy”.But the people isn’t that stupid anymore as to believe everything the MSM tells us.I stopped watching news or talk shows on public TV.

    • Agree: DESERT FOX
  30. The CIA is behind the protests in Hong-kong and the zionist controlled US government also, as per usual , the zio/US is interfering in other countries to destabilize and subvert other governments for the zionist NWO!

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
  31. Chinaman says:
    @Pandos

    I want to thank you on behalf of majority of HKer. I honestly hope all your compatriots are as insouciant and indifferent as you and can leave us the fuck alone.

    You understand that there are bigger problems like mass shootings and Jewish dominations to deal with and HK is just a ruse used by the politicians to divert attention from the problems away from home.

    HKer never questioned how Americans treat slaves and immigrants, let you guys bomb an kill whatever you want in the middle east with impunity.

    Cut us some slack and let us handle this shit ourselves.

    • Replies: @Robjil
    , @Kevin O'Keeffe
  32. Agent76 says:

    Sep 4, 2019 Hong Kong Withdraws Extradition Bill After Leaked Audio

    But according to protesters, that’s not enough. The announcement comes just days after a secret recording of Hong Kong’s Chief Executive saying she would have resigned, if she had been allowed to—implying Beijing’s rule is.

    • Agree: DESERT FOX
  33. Robjil says:
    @Chinaman

    I agree.

    ZUS has been busy destroying Seven Nations for a false flag it created with Israel in 2001.

    This Seven Nations to Destroy theme comes from Deut. 7:1-2 written in 500 BC.

    ZUS has its head in 500 BC.

    At least China lives in the present.

    • Agree: DESERT FOX
  34. Paul says:

    “Hands Off Hong Kong” – the Cry That Seldom Is Heard
    Where are the self-styled anti-war activists – like DemocracyNow?

    I did not know that the United States had its hands on Hong Kong. If so, perhaps that explains Donald Trump’s quiescence on the matter.

  35. Chinaman says:

    Forgotten is John Quincy Adams’s 1823 dictum, endlessly quoted but little honored, “We do not go abroad in search of monsters to destroy.” Where does this lapse on the part of activists come from? Is it a deep-seated loyalty to Empire, the result of endless indoctrination? Is it U.S. Exceptionalism, ingrained to the point of unconsciousness?

    As a Chinaman who have observed and interacted with white people for a life time , may I propose an explanation?

    It is the messianic complex and the desire to feel sanctimonious.

    The narcissistic need to feel not only physically or mentally superior but also morally superior.

    It is the pinnacle of civilization to proselytize and inculcate noble ideals such as freedom and democracy to the lower races and to save them with it.

    If they don’t get the message and submit to a higher power, then you save them by bombing them to the stone age.

    • Replies: @Wally
  36. Paul says:

    The news program Democracy Now has covered the Hong Kong story. John V. Walsh needs to pay attention.

    • Replies: @Thirdeye
  37. d dan says:
    @SOL

    “Yawn. Other than the meeting what evidence is there of US involvement?”

    There is meeting of VP Pence with Jimmy Lai, there is Congressional hawks making public statements of supports to the riots, there is evidence of funding of NED, there is waving of US flags, there are plenty of travelling of HK opposition party members to US before each major protests since 2012, there is alleged recording of conversation between opposition party members with NED, there is clear motive of CIA not wanting the Bill to pass, there are similarities with other CIA-sponsored color revolutions, … (and I am sure the true insiders can make a long list)

    Yes, you guys are clumsy. You and your boss should be fired for wasting US taxpayers’ money.

    • Replies: @Smith
  38. Chinaman says:
    @nsa

    Me honkie, me from Hongkong, but me like United Snake and Pissident Dumb vely munch.

    Honest,

    Me just want no condom, not freedom.

    Me want porno, not demo crazy;

    china no porno.

    Pee kill commie so I can see slay neega do anoo to big boobie white .

    Sorry, my english no good, u understand?

    • Replies: @Parfois1
  39. d dan says:
    @Technomad

    “… all we have to do is forbid Chinese goods access to our markets. ”

    Why wait for the government to forbid Chinese goods? Why don’t you start doing it yourself FIRST, e.g. stop posting in Internet by unplugging your made-in-China laptop and iphone? No?

    • Replies: @Smith
  40. denk says:

    CIA/MI6 destabilisations since 1949…

    1959
    Tibet

    1962
    Indo/sino war,

    1989
    TAM,

    2008
    Tibet,

    2009
    Xinjiang

    2014
    HK

    2019
    HK

    70 years after Tibet, 30 years after TAM,
    [[[THEY]]] are still trying to destabilise and demonise China.

    The barbarians have never really left the gate ever since the Opium war/.

  41. denk says:

    G7 support HK autonomy, calls for calm...

    well, tell that to the world’s no 1 shit stirrer, unitedsnake then., assholes

    EU demand the release of detained rioters with all charges dropped.

    May be [[[they]]] wanna send another eight nations alliance into Beijing to enforce democracy eh
    like the good ole days ?

    hehehhe

    One thing about these hyenas, they might frequently squabble and even fight over the booty, but they always hunt together.

    P.S.
    Dont get mixed up..
    [[[ five liars]]] as deffer from (((_)))

  42. Amon says:
    @Astuteobservor II

    Only thing I have seen is signs that China is taking steps to prevent this from going to the mainland by placing their army just across the bridges.

    Outside of that, I will be laughing my ass off if China announces in one to two months that due to unstable conditions in HK, all trade and exports from mainland China will be rerouted to different China based coastal cities. It would be a move that makes HK complete invalid and useless to anyone as its main source of income is yanked away and reduced the deep state puppet to the ultimate fall guys.

  43. denk says:

    Pelosi the bitch,

    Hong Kong demonstrations were “a beautiful sight to behold”

    What’s Xi waiting for ?
    Support Texas, California, Alakska etc independence !

    Two can play at this game.

    • Replies: @Robjil
  44. Amon says:

    I had an argument on twitter about this, in this argument, I pointed out that all the news about Hong Kong he quotes and praises is coming from sources that he has been decrying as fake news for years on end.

    I will admit, that I strongly accused him of cherry picking what he believes in based solely on his political viewpoints doing the argument.

    His response to me was a tragicomical cry that the media only lies 90 percent of the time, that is nine out of ten times, and when it came to Hong Kong, they were telling the truth because muh socialism bad and capitalism good.

    Now, I don’t know about the rest of you, but if someone is a proven liar nine out ten times I won’t trust anything they say.

    You simply can’t trust anything a liar says.

  45. denk says:
    @SOL

    kiddo

    If a Chinese diplomat is caught meeting with murikkano separtists movement, he’d be given a booting order .

    sobs in CONgress , state dept would go berserk and prolly demand sanction, may be even a missile down the chute., no less.

  46. Wally says:
    @Chinaman

    “Democracy”? No better in HK than the US.

    The Myth of Democracy and the Downfall of America
    By Gary D. Barnett
    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2019/09/gary-d-barnett/the-myth-of-democracy-and-the-downfall-of-america/
    excerpt:

    One look around will expose the results of this societal disaster called democracy. We live in a society of victims, each group a minority within the whole of a communal mess. This is just one of the reasons that the electoral practices of the political system in which we live are so worthless and destructive of sanity. There are those of intellect who oppose this system, but they are a vast minority outcast by the mob. They are marginalized, cursed, threatened, and silenced, all due to the indoctrinated ignorance of the herd, and the masters they follow.

    The collective group that makes up the majority relies on false worship of the state, thus the common attitude is one of allegiance, which is “the loyalty of a citizen to his or her government or of a subject to his or her sovereign.” This is religious in nature, and simply results in a compliant society under the control of the few. When most of any society falls to this level, all freedom has already disappeared, and this is exactly what democracy is meant to achieve. It is now the current state of affairs in this country, and only a monumental effort could alter the course we are on today.

    • Agree: Saggy
    • Replies: @Saggy
  47. A fact which often seems lost in the Western media is that it’s ‘their damned country’.

    The Chinese State has every right to administer Hong Kong however it wishes – and that includes a very mild equalisation of laws for a city that seems to have grown arrogant in its special privileges.
    Any agreement supposedly had with the British is irrelevant since the handover was never predicated on such agreements, nor would any current reality be subject to it now.

    In fact the real law of nations (the real one governing statesmen, not the pretty words written down) suggests supporting a rebellion in another Great Power is an extremely hostile act, demanding an at least symmetric response – it would not be unreasonably be considered an act of war in certain circumstances.

    • Agree: d dan
    • Replies: @Wally
  48. Chinaman says:
    @denk

    One thing about these hyenas, they might frequently squabble and even fight over the booty, but they always hunt together.

    What an lurid and apt description…

    Genetic disposition, perhaps?

    • Replies: @denk
  49. Robjil says:
    @denk

    Pelosi, the Israel firster who loves Israel more than anything on this planet.

    In her own words:

    If this capitol crumbled to the ground, the one thing that would remain is our commitment to aid/our cooperation with Israel.

    That is fundamental to who we are.

    Pelosi would not care about those states. It is only fundamental to her that Israel rules the US. The USA is Israel’s Golem. Everything can crumble to the ground in the world for Pelosi without a care except for that tiny speck of land called Israel.

    Go China, be free of the ZUS for the sake of humanity.

    • Agree: DESERT FOX
    • Replies: @denk
  50. iffen says:

    A good beginning for us in the U.S. is to demand of our government

    Hell no! We want to go!

    Let’s do it now while we still have a chance to “win.”

  51. This is not to deny that the protests were home grown at the outset in response to what was widely perceived as a legitimate grievance. But it would be equally absurd to deny that the U.S. is fishing in troubled Hong Kong waters to advance its anti-China crusade and regime change ambitions.

    I’m no expert on Chinese law, but isn’t it kind of weird that you would to have a special law to extradite someone from Hong Kong to the mainland for a crime committed there, when Hong Kong is already part of China? (Extraditions between US states, for example, are pretty much pro-forma.)

    But when one puts this advocacy for weaker nations together with the New Cold War stance on China and Russia, one must ask what is going on here.

    What’s going on here? Well, how about warmed-over Trotskyism?

  52. denk says:
    @Chinaman

    I think They call it the whiteman’s burden

    hehehe

  53. Paul says:

    Hong Kong is not Tiananmen Square — many more people to try to get under control in Hong Kong. And people there who are used to living under the Western rule of law (British in Hong Kong’s case), not Oriental despotism.

    • Replies: @denk
  54. Thirdeye says:
    @Paul

    https://www.democracynow.org/topics/hong_kong

    Their narrative is indistinguishable from that of pro-interventionist corporate media. It’s of a piece with their support for the “Arab Spring” regime change projects.

    • Replies: @Paul
  55. Why are foreign NGOs like Democracy Now allowed in any countries? They work with the CIA to destabilize governments as part of the American imperial project. And why is the US consulate official, who was photographed meeting with leaders of the demonstrations, still in China? She, and the rest of the US consular staff (read CIA) should have been on a plane home last week when she was photographed conspiring with the ringleaders. At what point do you kick them out of the country?

    This is at least the second time that the US has tried to foment a color revolution in HK.

    What would the US do if China began financing the neo-Bolshevik Antifa mobs in the US?

    • Replies: @Liza
  56. denk says:
    @Robjil

    In response,
    China;s spokewoman, Hua Chunyin

    We wish for many such beautiful sights in the USA.

    Viva Texas independence !

    • Agree: Robjil
  57. these guys are disgusting

  58. Wally says:
    @The Nine Tailed Fox

    said: “A fact which often seems lost in the Western media is that it’s ‘their damned country’.”

    I agree.

    China should just ignore the hooligans. Let the ‘rebels without a clue’ trash their own backyards and then see how those troublemakers like it when everything they need is unavailable and not working.

    Reminds me of how blacks trash the stores in their neighborhoods and then blame others for the lack of stores in their neighborhoods.

    The old ‘no fresh vegetables’ canard is a great example.

  59. Paul says:
    @Thirdeye

    Democracy Now has not called for intervention in the struggle of the people of Hong Kong against the leeches of the Communist ruling class in Beijing.

  60. @Chinaman

    Cut us some slack and let us handle this shit ourselves.

    As much as I dislike the regime in Beijing, this probably is the wisest course.

  61. Paul says:

    U.S. corporations see China as a source of cheap labor. They are in bed with the Communist Chinese ruling class.

  62. @Squarebeard

    You are absolutely correct. The only way to be well informed is read things from all perspectives. Then you can learn to pick out the real from the fake. Every soirce has some bias. The truth is usually somewhere in between. Some outright lie! Regardless of where one stands politiciallly one cam see the HK situation is vastly skewed in western reporting clearly is biased in favor of the protesters. Same with what went on in the Arab Spring and Ukraine.

  63. Saggy says: • Website
    @Wally

    Hitler on democracy ….


    So-called democracy exists in this Anglo-French world, which means the rule of the people by the people. Now the people must possess some means of giving expression to their thoughts or their wishes. Examining this problem more closely, we see that the people themselves have originally no convictions of their own. Their convictions are formed, of course, just as everywhere else. The decisive question is who enlightens the people, who educates them? In those countries, it is actually capital that rules; that is, nothing more than a clique of a few hundred men who possess untold wealth and, as a consequence of the peculiar structure of their national life, are more or less independent and free. They say: ‘Here we have liberty.’ By this they mean, above all, an uncontrolled economy, and by an uncontrolled economy, the freedom not only to acquire capital but to make absolutely free use of it. That means freedom from national control or control by the people both in the acquisition of capital and in its employment. This is really what they mean when they speak of liberty. These capitalists create their own press and then speak of the ‘freedom of the press.’”

    • Replies: @Wally
    , @Curmudgeon
    , @Parfois1
  64. mcohen says:

    The whip needs to be applied willy nilly.

    In any event a bit of rock is going to bounce off the earth and leave a smear.Soon.I will confirm this event in 48 hours.

  65. Smith says:

    For the uniformed people:

    Hong Kong is an autonomous region under the One country, Two systems. There is currently NO extradition treaty between mainland China and Hong Kong.

    There was a recent murder case that was committed in Taiwan by a Hong Konger who has fled back to Hong Kong, this means that this alleged murderer could not go trial or face jail time for his crime. This is where the new Extradition bill comes in, and also the suspicions:

    1. The Bill is written that extradition to be China is SPECIAL SURRENDER, and the document FOR extradition can be submitted WITHOUT FURTHER PROOF. The bill’s shortcomings are explained cleanly here: http://www.hklawsoc.org.hk/pub_e/news/submissions/20190605.pdf

    2. Reaction from Taiwan: Taiwan police has contacted HK govt multiple times to resolve the murder case because Taiwan itself doesn’t want to recognize Beijing rule, but HK govt has ignored this, and only wants to push up the Bill. Taiwan has announced that they will not accept the extradition of said murderer EVEN if the bill is passed because it doesn’t want to risk extradition to China:
    https://news.yahoo.com/taiwan-wont-ask-murder-suspect-hk-passes-extradition-050405150.html

    Now that the bill is formally withdrawn, the protest has achieved its victory. But now many parties and even China want to keep the protest going in in hope to smear the protesters as “entitled” and win back legitimacy, which is why I oppose continuing the protest.

    There is many fake news inside this site, because it’s populated by pro-Beijing shills who are roused by their anti-western/US hatred when their favorite country got into a unpopular protest, but people should be well-informed of what’s going on, and that the protest IS about a legit issue.

    • Replies: @denk
  66. @anonymous

    Unlike the (((Anglo-American))) capitalist model, the Chinese, and to a lesser extent Indian, government is in this for the long run. The Chinese didn’t get a recorded history of over 5,000 years by only thinking about the year end bottom line. Closing the missions and consulates in Hong Kong at this point would be seen as a breach of the “2 systems” for 50 years agreement. They are prepared to let Hong Kong become irrelevant in the big scheme of things, which it will be by 2046, then close the missions and consulates that haven’t already been abandoned.

    • Replies: @Parfois1
  67. Smith says:
    @d dan

    Well, no one is stopping Xi for that. Particularly, California independence and Texas independence. The wall needs to build around California to stop it leaking into other states.

    @ d dan

    Not all components inside laptop is made in China. And not everybody use iphone.

    • Replies: @denk
  68. @onebornfree

    Also entirely ignored is the [supposedly] officially agreed on China takeover date of 2047.

    What does an extradition bill have to do with the takeover date? Hong Kong has extradition treaties with the US, UK, and other countries. Some are with the same countries as the mainland. The comparison is whether California has an extradition treaty with other US states and the federal government.
    In case you forgot, the push for the treaty was due to a Hong Kong man murdering his girlfriend while visiting the mainland. Where are all the feminists and SJW soyboys complaining about Hong Kong males being misogynists for failing to send a murderer to trial?
    The real opposition was from the Hong Kong business community. While people are quick to point out that Chinese products, such as the melamine tainted milk, are dangerous, few, if any will point out that the businessmen involved were tried and executed. The Marx lead paint scandal had no one in the corporation taking responsibility, meanwhile in China the owners and managers were committing suicide to avoid trial. Hong Kong has been a drug smuggling center for over 150 years. The Chinese execute drug smugglers.

    • Replies: @Smith
  69. @DESERT FOX

    The CIA is behind the protests in Hong-kong

    Not quite. The CIA farmed out that part of its work to the National Endowment for Democracy. Any group or organization with democracy in its name is, most assuredly, working for dollar democracy – my dollar buys the same as your dollar. The fact that I may have 100 times the dollars that you do doesn’t enter into the equation.

    NGOs like the NED are the biggest scam on the planet. As if any government or corporation would give an organization tens of millions of dollars and let them do whatever they want, if beyond belief. There is a reason for old maxims like ‘he who pays the piper, calls the tune’.

    • Replies: @d dan
    , @DESERT FOX
  70. Wally says:
    @Saggy

    Indeed.

    “Hitler will have no war, but he will be forced into it, not this year but later…”
    – Jew Emil Ludwig, Les Annales, June, 1934

    Communist Jew, Bruno Baum, himself a member of the illegal ‘terrorists / partisans’, boasted after the war:
    “The entire propaganda which started abroad, was made by us with the help of our ‘Polish’ mates”.
    – Bruno Baum, »Wir funken aus der Hölle« in Deutsche Volkszeitung, Zentralorgan der KPD, Berlin 31.7.1945.; cf. B. Baum

    recommended:
    Roosevelt Conspired to Start World War II in Europe
    http://www.unz.com/article/roosevelt-conspired-to-start-world-war-ii-in-europe/

  71. @Saggy

    Funny, he doesn’t sound very “right wing” when he’s talking about how the elite [email protected] over the working people.

  72. d dan says:
    @Curmudgeon

    “The CIA farmed out that part of its work to the National Endowment for Democracy. ”

    May or may not be true. But CIA definitely have DIRECT interest and motive to kill the extradition bill – because if the bill is passed, many CIA staff stationed in Hong Kong would lost their jobs, or at least have to move away from Hong Kong, lest them be caught and extradited to China.

    That is just prudence and common sense thinking from CIA point of views.

  73. Smith says:
    @Curmudgeon

    Fake news, fake news and fake news.

    1. The proposition for extradition bill allows special extradition without further proof, which is different than what’s than the current US/UK extradition treaty with HK. And no, California is not an autonomous state like Hong Kong.

    2. The murder case happens in Taiwan, NOT in the mainland. And Taiwan already backs off this because Taiwan doesn’t want to risk an extradition treaty with China, in fact, the SJWs and soyboys in Beijing want to howling at this case in order to DEMAND Hong Kong and Taiwan to accept the extradition bill.

    3. The business community in HK has been convinced to favor the Bill, Beijing has more money and power. The only opposition comes from legal sector and people. Meanwhile, about the drug comment, China has more drug dealers than Hong Kong, in fact illegal Chinese drugs is flooding the world:
    https://www.naturalnews.com/043566_China_methamphetamine_illegal_drugs.html

    Mexico just caught a multi-ton shipment of it:
    https://truepundit.com/major-fentanyl-shipment-from-china-seized-in-mexico/

    When will China actually execute their own drug dealers?

    • Replies: @Vidi
  74. @Curmudgeon

    Well I stand by what I said and would add that MI6 is also involved and the CIA has more fronts than you can shake a stick at, see the book The Secret Team by Col. L. Fletcher Prouty, the late Col. Prouty was the pentagons man that the CIA had to go to when they needed the help of the military during the Eisenhower administration, this book can be had on amazon.

  75. Smith says:
    @d dan

    So where is the actual proof of CIA behind this, can the insiders share?

    All of the above sound like politicians meeting other people, which is NOT enough to form a CIA connection. And no, the Yellow Vests are definitely similar to this protest, but the people here do not make the connection.

    • Replies: @denk
  76. @denk

    United Snakes, LOL. Good one.

    Sadly you are not too far off. The Nose can smell the money from 10,000 miles away. Where there’s money to be made, The Nose will be there. The Nose smells a gold mountain in China, and The Nose needs to install a puppet regime in China to get at its gold.

    There’s a reason why the bald eagle is the national bird of United Snakes. It has the same nose.

    • Replies: @denk
  77. Jason Liu says:
    @SOL

    What was the meeting for?

  78. Jason Liu says:

    This entire episode shows that liberal democracy will always interfere with other systems, meaning that nationalists should never rest until liberal democracy is wiped out in every corner of the world.

    • Replies: @Smith
  79. The “protests” in Hong Kong are primarily a response to an invasion of migrants from mainland China and the resulting pressure on jobs and housing. It’s the bloodless version of what will happen in the US within the next 15 years.

    • Replies: @DB Cooper
    , @Chinaman
  80. Parfois1 says:
    @Anonymous Snanonymous

    Nice allegory, you should regale us more with your talent in that genre. Cheerio!

  81. DB Cooper says:
    @Change that Matters

    People from mainland migrating to Hong Kong is not the problem. Hong Kong has a very low birthrate and replenishing the diminishing population from mainland actually is a good thing for Hong Kong. The problem for Hong Kong is there are more and more Indians. These low IQ rapists living off the welfare of Hong Kong will be a long term problem for Hong Kong for years to come. What Hong Kong needs to do is to send these people back to their shithole country.

    • Replies: @Chinaman
  82. Smith says:
    @Jason Liu

    Are you a Hong Kong nationalist or a chinese nationalist?

    The difference is crucial.

    • Replies: @bjondo
    , @Jason Liu
  83. Parfois1 says:
    @Chinaman

    Me honkie, me from Hongkong, but me like United Snake and Pissident Dumb vely munch.

    I like that nickname for the clown. With your permission, I shall use it henceforth.

  84. Parfois1 says:
    @Saggy

    They say: ‘Here we have liberty.’ By this they mean, above all, an uncontrolled economy, and by an uncontrolled economy, the freedom not only to acquire capital but to make absolutely free use of it. That means freedom from national control or control by the people both in the acquisition of capital and in its employment. This is really what they mean when they speak of liberty. These capitalists create their own press and then speak of the ‘freedom of the press.’”

    Even I, or Lenin, or anyone with a functioning brain, would agree with that. Hitler had his moments of sanity too!

    • Replies: @Smith
  85. Chinaman says:
    @DB Cooper

    South East Asians…I live next to a local school called rosaryhill that caters to them. They are descendants of brown people of every stripe who worked in HK. as most immigrants eveeywheee, they don’t assimilate and crime is an issue. But they do know who is in charge and speak Cantonese so I consider them much more desirable than the white “expats” In HK.

    I rather have Indians and SE asian rather than white parasites anyday…

  86. Chinaman says:
    @Change that Matters

    That’s only partially true.

    People from everywhere around the world have swarmed HK.

    200,000 Filipinos and SE Asians . HK will collapse tomorrow without them. We need more. I have 3 of them. Best people in the world.

    Way too many white parasite in HK who think they are still in pattaya. Need to kick these fuckers out.

    There are also too Tax refugees who rents a place, maintain residency here but don’t stay here. Raise property prices.

    I try not to make any distinction between Chinese. Mainlanders are the main engine of the economy which is probably why they get so much hate. That’s the problem when you do good.

  87. Smith says:
    @Parfois1

    Hitler and the nationalists were the sane side of the war.

  88. Parfois1 says:
    @Curmudgeon

    Closing the missions and consulates in Hong Kong at this point would be seen as a breach of the “2 systems” for 50 years agreement.

    Not really. The PRC government has unfettered foreign affairs power in Hong Kong. There are some residual competences for the HK government in trade matters but only subject to the PRC government approval.

    As I mentioned previously, it boggs the mind why Beijing allowed this to get out of hand so far so long. Smaks of Maidan – not wanting to offend the Western capitalist media and “partners”, always on the lookout for “trouble”and add fuel to the fire.

  89. bjondo says:
    @Smith

    Hasn’t HK been part of China
    for most of last 2000 years?

    Does “Hong Kong nationalist” make any sense?

    If it does get rid of the traitors.

    • Replies: @Smith
  90. Liza says:
    @Caleb Abell

    What would the US do if China began financing the neo-Bolshevik Antifa mobs in the US?

    Why would they do anything at all. They aren’t taking on antifa now, in any meaningful way, as far as I can tell.

  91. DB Cooper says:
    @Chinaman

    Indians are the epitome of parasites. Just look at them in the West. Also read what the commentator TT says about them in Singapore. Plus Indians are the most anti Chinese people because their shithole government has been brainwashing them that China invaded India when the reverse is true. To this day India is still occupying a piece of China, South Tibet since 1951. South Tibet includes Tawang, birthplace of the Sixth Dalai Lama and home to a four hundred years old Tibetan monastery. South Tibet is what the slum dog rapists refer to as Arunachal Pradesh since 1987. India is a bully and is hated by all its neighbors.

  92. Smith says:
    @bjondo

    HK is not even a part of China 2000 years before.

    I’m not sure if there is even a HK 2000 years before.

    Hong Kong nationalist implies one who cares about the culture and people of HK above foreign interests.

    • Replies: @bjondo
  93. Jason Liu says:
    @Smith

    Any kind of nationalist will eventually realize liberal democracy contradicts nationalism. Even if HK was its own country, liberal democracy would destroy its culture with diversity and turn it into an egalitarian shithole.

    The dumb kids protesting don’t realize that Beijing’s autocracy is what protects them from degeneracy, or they’re degenerate liberals themselves. Probably the latter.

    • Replies: @Smith
  94. Smith says:
    @Jason Liu

    The dumb kids will grow up to be nationalists when they realize that it’s China’s democracy that stomps boot into their face.

    And Beijing doesn’t protect them from “degeneracy”, Beijing straight out funds Hollywood movies and sells that crap to chinese and the rest of the world. As always, stay out of the big empires, both China and US want to genocide cantonese.

  95. Smith says:

    1. Full withdrawal of the extradition bill 徹底撤回送中修例

    2. A commission of inquiry into alleged police brutality 成立獨立調查委員會 追究警隊濫暴

    3. Retracting the classification of protesters as “rioters” 取消暴動定性

    4. Amnesty for arrested protesters 撤銷對今為所有反送中抗爭者控罪

    5. Dual universal suffrage, meaning for both the Legislative Council and the Chief Executive 以行政命令解散立法會 立即實行雙真普選

    NOT ONE LESS.

    These are the five current demands of the protesters, the 1st one is achieved (or at least said to be), the 5th is interesting but it should be that ONLY a native Hong Konger could take those positions. The others are born out of the protest.

    There’s no point to this if somehow a Beijinger or Chicom plants their way into those positions.

    • Replies: @Chinaman
    , @Erebus
  96. Neechee says:
    @Anon

    Communist sympathizing louse

  97. @Chinaman

    Chinaman,

    Filipinos are mostly guest workers. I don’t see many other Southeast Asian residents in Hong Kong. Malays and Thais generally don’t like going and settling down in other people’s countries. The only other Southeast Asians you have there in substantial numbers are remnants of the Vietnamese boat people who are hard to distinguish by appearance from the Chinese, at least for a European. Most of those browns there are subcontinentals.

    • Replies: @Chinaman
  98. @DB Cooper

    South Tibet? It doesn’t sound Chinese-y, now does it? You better stick to Hong Kong and Taiwan before you lose it to the yellow-cum-white man… I hope you know that the most hated people on the God ‘s green earth are the me-eat-anything-walking-crawling-flying-swimming-till-the-planet-finished-good Chinese!

    • Replies: @DB Cooper
  99. denk says:
    @Far Side of the Moon

    [There’s a reason why the bald eagle is the national bird of United Snakes. It has the same nose.]

    It is not fair to the Eagle.
    This is more like it !

  100. denk says:
    @Paul

    [Hong Kong is not Tiananmen Square — many more people to try to get under control in Hong Kong. And people there who are used to living under the Western rule of law (British in Hong Kong’s case), not Oriental despotism.]

    What about TAM, kiddo ?

    ‘Western rule of law’

    How old are you ?

    ‘British in HK case’

    YOu mean the same Brit that orchestrated the 1965 genocide on Chinese Indonesians and the 1998 mass rapes ?

  101. denk says:
    @Smith

    All of the above sound like politicians meeting other people,

    Yeah sure,
    After murikkano consulate official was caught ‘liaising’ with J Wong and Co…

    State dept bitch…

    ‘Whats the fuss, stirring shit is part and parcel of our consulate’s daily routine’

  102. denk says:

    Repost….

    Couldnt help it, every time there’s a fukus color rev,
    I just gotta post this…
    ———————————–
    ‘It is OUR money. Did anyone ask us, the taxpayers, if we cared to fork over a ton of money to the Democrat and Republican parties so a pack of hacks could spend it to overthrow an elected president? Of course not.

    That’s because this government assumes we work for it, and not the other way around.
    ………….

    Once again, we have a congress and a federal bureaucracy tossing around our money so some jerks can play at being power brokers around the world. The National Endowment for Democracy is a hoax. Now everyone in Latin America knows we were up to our ears n trying to get rid of Chavez. The whole thing backfired. The politicians walk away and we pick up the bill. Some democracy. But what I really want to know is, is there a Ritz in Caracas, so the hacks on the gravy train can meet to overturn a democratically elected government at our expense? And this stuff happens because we let it happen. If we choose to be a nation of sheep, we have only ourselves to blame. ‘

    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2002/04/richard-cummings/i-met-her-in-venezuela/

    • Replies: @d dan
  103. denk says:
    @Smith

    [Well, no one is stopping Xi for that]

    Well Im trolling.
    The Chinese dont stir shit for a living.

    P.S.
    why you’ve this knack of replying to the wrong poster. ?

    • Replies: @Smith
  104. Smith says:
    @denk

    Yeah, just ask Vietnam vs China’s history for 1000 years, not stirring shit for a living my ass.

    Also, so you yourself admit you have no proof of any CIA connection, keep pop up that fake news.

    • Replies: @denk
  105. DB Cooper says:
    @Anonymous Snanonymous

    Oh South Tibet is part of China for sure. Look at this map published by the National Geographic in 1912. You can see that South Tibet (including historic Tawang, birthplace of the Sixth Dalai Lama and home to a four hundred years old Tibetan monastery) is clearly within China.

    https://www.digitalcommonwealth.org/search/commonwealth:x633f939c

    AP (Arunachal Pradesh) has been recognized by the United Nation as a disputed territory since 2009. No Chinese government has ever recognized the so called AP. In fact when India make South Tibet a state and renamed it to the so called AP, the Republic of China (aka Taiwan) issues a statement vehemently denouncing India’s travesty and vowing never to recognize AP. The People’s Republic of China similarly has repeatedly state that it has never recognize the so called AP part of India.

    https://www.bbc.com/zhongwen/trad/chinese-news-40862957

    Free South Tibet from the filthy smelly slimy rapey ugly cow piss drinking open defecating low IQ (average Indian IQ is 76) eat with bare right hand wipe ass with bare left hand disgusting India.

    • Replies: @Anonymous Snanonymous
  106. denk says:
    @Smith

    In case you forget….
    IM saying Xi wont stoop to stirring shit in Texas the way uncle scam did in Tibet, Xinjiang
    HK.

    YOu wanna talk ancient history warfare ?
    Typical ‘smith’ [sic] tactics,
    when in trouble, change subject.

    Well still no contest….
    murikka has been at war 100% of time since birth., wins hand down !

    hehehhe

    • Replies: @Smith
  107. denk says:
    @Smith

    Now that the bill is formally withdrawn, the protest has achieved its victory. But now many parties and even China want to keep the protest going in in hope to smear the protesters as “entitled” and win back legitimacy, which is why I oppose continuing the protest.

    Talk about fake news eh ?

    When it comes to FF, everybody thought about UKUS, these are the default, ususal suspects.
    If you wanna suggest China is suddenly adopting the fukus M.O., better have some gawd damned solid evidence, or else take it back and stuff it up yours….

    • Replies: @d dan
  108. d dan says:
    @denk

    Exactly. People like Smith (and those in CIA/NED…) thinks that:

    1. They are doing US a favor – which isn’t because they are wasting US taxpayers money (not to mention reputation cost) for a non-strategic mission with no clear end-game in mind, and without any possible benefits to ordinary Americans.

    2. They are causing Chinese government trouble – which isn’t because they are rallying Chinese support behind the Chinese government.

    3. They even want you believe that they are doing Hong Kongers a favor – because Hong Kongers now have the rights to commit murder in mainland without fear of being extradited. Can’t get more idiotic than that.

    Yes, they are the swamp that needed to be drained.

    • Replies: @denk
    , @Smith
  109. d dan says:
    @denk

    “If you wanna suggest China is suddenly adopting the fukus M.O., better have some gawd damned solid evidence, or else take it back and stuff it up yours….”

    One of the strategy to distract people of your wrong doing is to accuse others for the wrong doing.

    It is an obvious stunt.

  110. denk says:
    @d dan

    ‘smith’ is our resident chameleon,
    some time he’s ‘Indian’, some time he’s
    Viet, but he’s neither . 😉

    • Replies: @Smith
  111. Chinaman says:
    @Smith

    I can almost guarantee that if the government cave in and appease the protestor by granting all the demands.

    There will be the 6th-, HK independence.

    Everyone knows that. The government or Beijing won’t move anymore, of course.

    I don’t see any of the protest subsiding until the police escalating their action and impose strict curfews.

    • Replies: @Smith
  112. Chinaman says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Lots from Myanmar, Indonesian and India, guest workers too.

    They are there but may be not places you would hang out. It is funny but if you go to a bar or Resturant run by white people, they will ONLY hire Filipinos and other browns, no local Chinese. I generally don’t have a problem with that since they are better waiters.

    I honestly do not know any scion of the boat people. As you said, indistinguishable.

  113. Smith says:
    @denk

    Man, yeah, Xi can stir his shit is my point. I think he already does it with all the chinese abroad already so it’s nothing new.

    We vietnamese just have experiences with this kind of thing, for more than 1000 years.

  114. Smith says:
    @d dan

    Yeah, nice strawman man.

    1. Does anything anti-China mean doing US a favor now? Really? Even when US helps China cover up the violence by cops?

    2. Again, there would be no trouble if the Chinese government doesn’t cause trouble in the first place, and the pro-CCP chinese basically talk like zombies with the same point over and over again.

    3. Again, that’s fearmongering. Mainlanders can already kidnap HKer anyway, so it doesn’t matter jackshit, what they need is legitimacy i.e. showing HK is THEIR bitch. Too bad, HKer and Taiwanese don’t want this shit.

  115. Smith says:
    @Chinaman

    Yeah, you can guarantee everything, man. Your talking points and d dan mirror perfectly with the Beijing talking points.

    Either ways, IF they do that, they lose every legitimacy they have. But so far, there’s nothing unreasonable there about the 5 demands (the 1st is achieved, and the 5th SHOULD be achieved in order this thing happening again).

    • Replies: @Anon
  116. Erebus says:
    @Smith

    2. A commission of inquiry into alleged police brutality 成立獨立調查委員會 追究警隊濫暴

    I expect this to happen regardless, as well as an inquiry into protestor violence with particular focus on agent provocateurs.

    3. Retracting the classification of protesters as “rioters” 取消暴動定性
    and
    4. Amnesty for arrested protesters 撤銷對今為所有反送中抗爭者控罪

    This is so obviously nothing more than an attempt to evacuate Western agents under colour of law, or to leave them in place for the next “protest”. Of course, genuine protestors are also quite likely to support such demands as well. No reason not to.

    There’s no point to this if somehow a Beijinger or Chicom plants their way into those positions.

    Of course, at least from the protestors POV, but the point to this demand is to open the possibility of planting CIA/State Dept puppets in those positions.

  117. Smith says:
    @denk

    Yeah find me one proof where I have said I’m indian.

    I have been called a troll, a scumbag, a hasbarist, a US shill, and now an indian? Man, you guys give me so many titles it’s hard to keep track off.

    Either ways, it’s objective fact that CCP tries to smear the protesters, evidences:
    1. Online buzzing of the sample disproven or unsubstanced talking point (CIA – no proof, HK becoming a criminal haven – fearmongering, the murderer in Taiwan – that pro-China HK govt deliberately ignores communication from Taiwan).
    2. Paid counter-protesters who have NO idea what the protest is about, and is mainly there to yell CHINA IS ONE! CHINA IS ONE!
    3. Protesters being violent (actually, cops are the violent ones, and footage evidences hugely amount to this, but this is suppressed by both western and eastern media).

    Then you have the case where cops just straight out plant evidences: https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/d0avcf/hong_kong_police_plant_evidence_to_citizen_in/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x

    This should have blown up everywhere, but zit, nada, we still see the same vids where some black masked “HKers” badmouth or attack some senior citizen, played again and again, even in Unz. What a joke.

  118. JP says:
    @onebornfree

    Chi-com is infinitely preferable to COMINTERN, which is functionally what the US is the enforcer of. It’s like the joke in Yellow Dawn: Americans becoming 2nd-class citizens under Beijing rule is better than being 7th-class under Tel Aviv’s rule.

  119. Anon[170] • Disclaimer says:
    @Smith

    Are you that tone deaf? Majority of Hkers hate your guts. As more and more people lost their jobs and more and more public properties and public transit got vandalized and destroyed, they want their government act tougher. The public opinion already turned against you. Enjoy it while you can, because Hkers won’t let you destroy Hong Hong. Tell your riots friends get ready for prison.

    • Replies: @Smith
  120. Smith says:
    @Anon

    Regarding your tone, “riot”, it seems you are a pro-CCP shill? The only riot here is the riot police.

    Keep banging that drum, mate, the HKers are ready to face your thuggery.

    • Replies: @Anon
  121. Anon[170] • Disclaimer says:
    @Smith

    That’s funny. Didn’t you say you were born in Vietnam and live in Vietnam? Why are you Vietcong so interested in Hong Hong anyway? Is it because many of the rioters are children of Vietnamese refugees? Both my grandparents left Canton for Hong Kong in 1949. We know the land. Who cares more about Hong Hong? Chinese like me or a Vietcong like you.

    • Replies: @Smith
  122. Smith says:
    @Anon

    I’m interested in Hong Kong like I’m interested in most worldwide politics.

    Besides, this issue is unfolding right next to Vietnam. I’m learning from this experience to see how effectively China smears its political dissidents and I’m not impressed.

    That clip in particularly, do I hear Mandarin in it? Suspicious.

    @ bjondo

    Wow, I didn’t know Hong Kong was a part of China since the Qin dynasty, but there’s a brief period of Hong Kong is under Nanyue. Hmm, interesting.

    • Replies: @DB Cooper
    , @Anon
  123. DB Cooper says:
    @Smith

    “but there’s a brief period of Hong Kong is under Nanyue. Hmm, interesting.”

    And Nanyue was part of China. Hmm, interesting.

    • Replies: @Smith
  124. Anon[170] • Disclaimer says:
    @Smith

    That clip in particularly, do I hear Mandarin in it? Suspicious.

    Please explain. What did you hear? at where? What makes it suspicious to you?

    • Replies: @Smith
  125. Smith says:
    @DB Cooper

    Nanyue was a separate kingdom that splits from China actually.

    OH NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO

  126. Smith says:
    @Anon

    The audio is not very good but I faintly hear mandarin spoken when the cops break in the train’s door.

    As you know, cantonese is the popular language in HK. I have always associated mandarin with mainlanders.

  127. annamaria says:
    @SOL

    https://www.rt.com/news/468301-hong-kong-protest-leaders-ties-us/

    One of the men at the center of the protest movement is a Hong Kong tycoon, Jimmy Lai, whose company owns a tabloid called the Apple Daily. Another one is politician and barrister, Martin Lee, the founding chairman of the local Democratic Party.

    Both men visited Washington at the height of the protests to meet with some high-ranking US officials including State Secretary Mike Pompeo.

    As a former senior adviser in the Trump and Bush administrations Christian Whiton, who met both Lai and Lee in Hong Kong this summer, put it “causing this crisis for the Chinese government … is good in the national interests of the US.”

    • Replies: @Smith
  128. @DB Cooper

    The real question is: is Tibet a part of China? Until that’s decided by the Tibetans themselves without the Han of China meddling in their affairs, one can never know. Only time will tell!

    • Replies: @d dan
    , @Chinaman
  129. denk says:

    Man, yeah, Xi can stir his shit is my point.]

    YOu’r repeating yourself.
    I already call you out, Xi can, but he wont, unlike fukus , stirring shit for a living is not the Chinese cup of tea.

    [ I think he already does it with all the chinese abroad already so it’s nothing new.]

    How does Xi ‘does it’ with oversea Chinese pray tell ?

    Yeah find me one proof where I have said I’m indian.]

    Im saying you use multiple id, previously posted as ‘Indian’, now you’ve chameleoned into a ‘Viet’, LOL,

    CIA – no proof]

    Washington /London are up to its eyeballs in the HK caper, they dont even bother to hide it.
    yet You want ‘proof’ of CIA ?
    LOL

    Then you have the case where cops just straight out plant evidences:

    Not so fast, what really happened ?
    Cops ‘plant evidence’ in the open while being filmed no less , they couldnt be so stupid ?

    Regarding your tone, “riot”, it seems you are a pro-CCP shill? The only riot here is the riot police.]

    Storming and vandalising court house, arson, assault police, aint considered riots. ?
    Wow, I dont realise the West, never mind Nam, is such a paradise. !

    hehhe

    • Replies: @Erebus
    , @Smith
  130. Erebus says:
    @denk

    Im saying you use multiple id…

    Mr. Smith’s been outed on the House Niggers thread. Quite probably, he’s less Vietnamese than you, Chinaman & d dan are, and I certainly wouldn’t put it past him to use multiple IDs.

    Whatever else he is, he’s a Troll.

    • Replies: @denk
  131. denk says:
    @Erebus

    Good call.

    If it looks like a troll, walks like a troll and quacks like a troll.

    hehehhe

  132. d dan says:
    @Anonymous Snanonymous

    “Until that’s decided by the Tibetans themselves without the Han of China meddling in their affairs…”

    So, Han can’t have a say about Tibet’s independence? Only Tibetans?

    Can Californians decide to go independence without the approvals of other 49 states?

    What about Arunachal Pradesh and northeast India? Can they just go independence if they decide so, without interference from other parts of India?

    • Replies: @DB Cooper
  133. DB Cooper says:
    @d dan

    South Tibet (so called AP) is recognized by the United Nation as a disputed territory since 2009. This means the international communities do not recognized South Tibet part of India. India invaded and annexed South Tibet in 1951, four years after the British Raj has already left and renamed it to AP in 1987, clearly trying to fool the world that this is part of India. Occupied South Tibet includes Tawang, birthplace of the Sixth Dalai Lama and home to a four hundred years old Tibetan monastery. The people there are restless and India knows it. This is the reason a law is imposed on AP that allows the state to legally detain or kill anyone with impunity. The law is called AFSPA (Armed Force Special Power Act). AFSPA is imposed on area India deemed ‘disturbed’, such as AP, the northeast and Kashmir. The MSM has been suppressing this news for decades. Shame on them.

    Free South Tibet from the shithole India.

  134. Smith says:
    @denk

    So you are saying Xi can’t, but he won’t? Explain the various chinese abroad?

    And he does it the same way CIA does it abroad, with handlers and funding.

    And evidence where I have been posting as an indian, wot?

    Cops plant evidence and got filmed on broad daylight:

    And yeah, I remember antifa/BLM doing worse shit in the US and I don’t remember they were called rioters even by the US government. In Vietnam, ANY big protest is called a riot by the government because they don’t want people acting up.

    @ Erebus:

    How have I been “outed” again? Can you provide evidence? And nah, I ain’t a troll either.

    • Replies: @denk
  135. Erebus says:

    @ Erebus:

    How have I been “outed” again? Can you provide evidence? And nah, I ain’t a troll either.

    Read it here, Justin. Just follow the links.

  136. Chinaman says:
    @Anonymous Snanonymous

    I am so sick of this question.

    Is California, Texas part of the US? In fact, all land in the USA was stolen.

    China will give back Tibet when the US give back California to Mexico or pay reparations to Indians based on current market value of the land they stole.

    That should settle the matter,

    those in glass house, don’t throw bricks.

    • Replies: @Anonymous Snanonymous
  137. Smith says:

    I read it, but what does that have to do with me?

    I’m Smith, not Justin.

    @ denk

    Also, developing stories and actual proof of cop saboteurs blaming protesters:

    Cops planting false evidence: https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/d0avcf/hong_kong_police_plant_evidence_to_citizen_in/

    Masked “protestors” (i.e. cops) hammering sign of MTR station despite the gate is already locked from the public: https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/d1aoa1/protestors_damaging_the_information_board_with_a/

  138. Smith says:
    @annamaria

    Those are meetings, now where are the ties?

    • Replies: @Erebus
  139. Erebus says:
    @Smith

    Those are meetings, now where are the ties?

    One doesn’t meet a Pompeo/Bolton/Whiton unless there’s an established history of important ties at lower levels. These guys don’t meet foreign 20-somethings for social reasons, numbskull. They meet them as a reward for performance and as encouragement to perform even better. Everybody but the “Smiths” knows that.

    I read it, but what does that have to do with me?

    Read it again with the understanding that there can’t be 2 “Smiths” on this site unless they share email addresses, and quite likely other non-public criteria.

    My advice to this bunch of “Smiths” is to pack it up. Collectively, you’re in far over your heads here. You’re too brainwashed to even know that nobody’s buying your sophomoric slogans and half-baked political platitudes. Your audience knows it even if you don’t.

    Only incompetence on the part of your superiors, or a genuine shortage of talent keeps you here.

    • Agree: annamaria
    • Replies: @Smith
  140. Vidi says:
    @Smith

    When will China actually execute their own drug dealers?

    China has been executing drug dealers since before the Opium Wars.

    If you want a recent example, just last year (June 26, 2018), a court in Hainan Province sentenced two drug traffickers to death in public, in front of hundreds of people (link).

  141. Smith says:
    @Erebus

    So again, where are the ties? You can have your suspicion and all, but where are the actual proofs of CIA involvement in the Hong Kong protests? I know American NGO is involved, so that’s one, and US NGO is connected to the CIA, so that might be a connection there, but we are talking about DIRECT PROOFS, and not reach or connection.

    How can there NOT be two Smith? Smith is not an uncommon name. Especially when me and that Justin use different email addresses?

    @ Vidi

    My question is still when will China actually start executing their drug dealers? The ones that are higher up and are in bed with the government, not the local riff raff.

    For example, we never know who’s responsible for the recently Fenantyl shipment caught by Mexico.

    • Replies: @denk
    , @Vidi
  142. denk says:
    @Smith

    YOu’r like broken record, all your points have been answered.

    Re CIA,
    We know NED is up to its eyeballs in HK,

    . In 1991 NED’s first president, the historian Allen Weinstein, confessed to The Washington Post: “A lot of what we do today was done covertly 25 years ago by the CIA” (1).

    Too bad, CIA suspect Patrick Kern, the field commander who directs op on the ground, have fled.

    BUt ‘smith’ still demand…’where’s the CIA’.

    if only you’d apply the same ‘rigor’ to yourself….

    Does anything anti-China mean doing US a favor now? Really? Even when US helps China cover up the violence by cops?]

    ROFLMAO,
    How did US helps China ‘cover up cops violence’ ?

    Paid counter-protesters ]

    PROOF ?

    Protesters being violent (actually, cops are the violent ones, and footage evidences hugely amount to this, but this is suppressed by both western and eastern media)]

    wHAT video footage were ‘suppressed by both western [sic] and eastern media ?

    So you are saying Xi can’t, but he won’t? Explain the various chinese abroad?

    And he does it the same way CIA does it abroad, with handlers and funding.

    YOu’r really full of it !

    tHERE’r dozens of known coups, assasinations., destabilisatons perpetrated by CIA/MI6.
    That’s some shit stirring.

    hOW many have Xi scored ?

    • Replies: @Smith
  143. denk says:
    @Smith

    The ones that are higher up and are in bed with the government, not the local riff raff.

    and who might those big fish be ?

    • Replies: @annamaria
  144. annamaria says:
    @denk

    The miserable “Smiths.” To quote Erebus, “Only incompetence on the part of your superiors, or a genuine shortage of talent keeps you here.”

    • Replies: @denk
  145. denk says:
    @annamaria

    ‘smith’ is not here for the truth as he claim,
    cuz he and his soul mate onebornfreak both have been spewing B.S.

    He’s here to play game.

  146. Vidi says:
    @Smith

    @ Vidi

    My question is still when will China actually start executing their drug dealers?

    I answered your question already: I showed that two drug dealers were sentenced to death in Hainan Province last year. We can be very sure (with 99.9% probability) that they will actually be executed, if they appeal and their appeals fail. If you demand more evidence of their deaths than that, like their rotting corpses, you are being an annoying, offensive twit.

    The [drug dealers] that are higher up and are in bed with the government, not the local riff raff.

    I proved that you were wrong in assuming that China doesn’t execute drug dealers. So now you change your accusation. What is your proof that some drug dealers are “in bed with the government”? I’m not saying that there aren’t a few, but what is your evidence that some government officials in China are helping drug dealers?

    By the way, Trump likes China’s execution of drug dealers. “Trump praises China for executing drug dealers: ‘I appreciate that very much’” (link).

  147. Vidi says:
    @DB Cooper

    Indians [in Hong Kong] are the epitome of parasites.

    You are a true slave of the Anglo Zionist Empire. As I demonstrated in a previous thread, you even spread their lies. Especially when the topic is China, your opinion is worthless to me.

  148. DB Cooper says:
    @Vidi

    You should eat some Mao’s shit. I am sure you will find it taste good. Now go fuck yourself you piece of shit. Why are you defending the Indians? Indians in Hong Kong has committed more than their fair share of rapes. You are a worthless piece of shit.

    • Replies: @Vidi
  149. DB Cooper says:
    @Vidi

    By the way I can understand you worship the fucking piece of shit Mao because of the brainwashing in the mainland. But defending the filthy land grabbing Indians? Seriously?

  150. DB Cooper says:
    @Vidi

    “Especially when the topic is China, your opinion is worthless to me.”

    Big fucking deal.

  151. Smith says:
    @denk

    @ denk

    So coincidentally, a certain Patrick Kern (suspected to be CIA, again WITH NO PROOF) has fled the protests while the protests still go on, proving that there is no need for him to “handle” shit.

    Paid counter-protesters in Australia, Canada or even Hong Kong, they ALL have the same talking points used by the pro-CCP shills (Erebus, annamaria) here, I doubt it’s a cohencidence.

    Also, the footages of cops brutality, cops planting false evidence (that I have posted) is conveniently missing in ALL mainstream western and eastern media. Another Cohencidence?

    And again, Xi has CCP shills all over the globe starting shit, every chinese who support CCP abroad can be put into the suspect clause.

    @ Vidi

    First off, I don’t care about the local riff raff CCP executed. I want the higher ups, for example who is responsible for the multi-ton fenantyl shipment recently caught by Mexico, you either have to be in a company or have a governmental position to let that slip by and if he’s executed or not. That’s whatimportant.

    Not public execution of local drug dealers to scare children.

    • Replies: @Vidi
    , @denk
  152. Vidi says:
    @DB Cooper

    You should eat some Mao’s shit. I am sure you will find it taste good. Now go fuck yourself you piece of shit. Why are you defending the Indians? Indians in Hong Kong has committed more than their fair share of rapes. You are a worthless piece of shit.

    As I proved in a previous thread, you made a vicious lie about Mao refusing medical treatment to his friend Zhou Enlai. Feel free to insult me as much as you wish; a liar like you will always have a liar’s reputation.

  153. Vidi says:
    @Smith

    @ Vidi

    First off, I don’t care about the local riff raff CCP executed.

    That wasn’t what you asked for at first. Initially, you insinuated that China was not executing drug dealers. When I proved you wrong, you changed your tune.

    I will not address your new assertions, as I don’t want you to ruin this thread as badly as you polluted Shamir’s thread.

    • Replies: @Smith
  154. Smith says:
    @Vidi

    Yeah, OK? That was what I asked in my OG post.

    And no, you do not prove me wrong, local riff raffs kill each other daily everywhere in the world, while the big players are protected by the government.

  155. denk says:
    @Smith

    YOur video of ‘police planting evidence’
    could be any of these…

    *police FF
    *a bunch of over zealous police or.,
    *fukus FF ,

    Ergo, far from conclusive, subject to
    a proper investigation.

    In other words, you cannot back up any of your four accusations and yet you’r still repeating them ad nauseam

    what an ass

    • Replies: @Smith
  156. annamaria says:

    A self-grouping of trained regime-changers, including the MI6-funded “moderate jihadis” of “White Helmets” and the ambitious little fool (and Bolton protege) from Hong-Kong: https://www.rt.com/news/468518-joshua-wong-white-helmets/

    Hong Kong protest figurehead Joshua Wong, who has been busy rocking up to ‘pro-democracy’ meetings with various Western officials in recent weeks, has been spotted hanging out with the chairman of the White Helmets in Berlin.

    Wong attended the ‘Bild 100’ summer party in Berlin this week, where he seems to have bumped into White Helmets boss Raed Al Saleh. That’s a tad awkward, since the Syrian first-responders group has been heavily linked to Al Qaeda and US-sponsored jihadist militias – a fact that did not go unnoticed on Twitter. …

    There was another familiar face in the snaps, too: Mayor of Kiev Vitaly Klitschko, who was, for a time, himself a Western favorite when Ukraine was in Washington’s regime-change crosshairs.

    Surprisingly, Carl Gershman from the NED is not in the picture.
    “National Endowment for Destabilization? CIA Funds for Latin America in 2018” https://www.telesurenglish.net/analysis/National-Endowment-for-Destabilization-CIA-Funds-for-Latin-America-in-2018-20190403-0042.html
    “The National Endowment for (Meddling in) Democracy” https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-national-endowment-for-political-meddling-democracy-ned/

  157. Smith says:
    @denk

    Yeah, OK, or it could be police planting false evidence on broad daylight.

    Either ways, public trust for HK police is getting to historically low level.

    @ annamaria

    Wait, Joshua Wong is Bolton protege? Bolton just got fired and even HKers do not want Joshua Wong to speak for them since it’s a leaderless movement.

    Good for HK! Bad for Bolton and J. Wong.

  158. @Chinaman

    And the day China gives up East Turkmenistan, Inner Mongolia, Manchuria, Tibet etc… Japan will be willing to negotiate the Senkaku Islands.

    • Replies: @d dan
  159. annamaria says:

    The CIA-educated thugs in Hong Kong: “They are selling their own nation and people…” https://www.rt.com/op-ed/468508-hong-kong-protests-violent/

    The flag-waving march was a big staged event for the Western mass media. There, ‘pro-democracy’ slogans were chanted in an orderly manner. Nothing was burned, vandalized or dismantled wherever Western press cameras were present!

    A few blocks away, however, I witnessed monstrous vandalizing, of one of the entrances to the Central subway (MTR) station. Hooligans who call themselves ‘protesters’ were ruining public property, a transportation system used by millions of citizens every day.

    While they were at it, they also dismantled public metal railings that separate sidewalks from roadways. Metal bars from this railing were later utilized for further attacks against the city infrastructure, as well as against the police.

    If you compare police actions here to those in Paris, it is all politeness and softness. Hardly any rubber bullets. Tear gas is ‘honest’ and not mixed with deadly chemicals, like it is in many other places, and administered in small doses. No water cannon spitting liquid full of urine and excrement, as in many other cities of the world. Trust me: I am an expert in tear gas. In Istanbul, during the Gezi Park uprising, protesters had to use gas masks, so did I. Otherwise you’d faint or end up in a hospital. People are also fainting in Paris. No one is fainting here; this is mild stuff.

  160. annamaria says:

    The “western democracy” of UK and the militant idiots in Hong Kong:
    https://www.rt.com/news/468545-vivienne-westwood-assange-prison/

    Assange in HMP Belmarsh, where he is being held [in solitary confinement] after the UK police dragged him from the Ecuadorean Embassy back … he was found guilty of skipping bail in London in 2012.

    Separately, Assange also faces charges in the US, which revolve around his contacts with fellow whistleblower Chelsea Manning, who exposed to WikiLeaks the extent of American war crimes in Iraq.

    Assange faces 175 years in jail.

  161. annamaria says:

    The CIA-trained puppies of Hong Kong still don’t get it: https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/orwells-ministry-truth-alive-why-dont-we-hear-much-about-julian-assange

    In May, the United Nations Special Rapporteur on Torture Nils Melzer visited Assange in Belmarsh Prison producing a damning report which was widely circulated, but surprisingly had little impact.

    “It was obvious that Mr. Assange’s health has been seriously affected by the extremely hostile and arbitrary environment he has been exposed to for many years. Most importantly, in addition to physical ailments, Mr Assange showed all symptoms typical for prolonged exposure to psychological torture, including extreme stress, chronic anxiety and intense psychological trauma.”

    Mr Melzer’s report included this extraordinary claim:

    “In 20 years of work with victims of war, violence and political persecution I have never seen a group of democratic States ganging up to deliberately isolate, demonise and abuse a single individual for such a long time and with so little regard for human dignity and the rule of law. The collective persecution of Julian Assange must end here and now!”

    How could such a grave statement not have triggered further investigation and commentary other than by independent journalists? Melzer’s horrific diagnosis involves the life of a western journalist going to a western jail for doing his job.

    John Pilger

    @johnpilger
    Do not forget Julian #Assange. Or you will lose him.
    I saw him in Belmarsh prison and his health has deteriorated. Treated worse than a murderer, he is isolated, medicated and denied the tools to fight the bogus charges of a US extradition. I now fear for him. Do not forget him.

    • Agree: denk
  162. d dan says:
    @Anonymous Snanonymous

    “And the day China gives up East Turkmenistan, Inner Mongolia, Manchuria, Tibet etc… Japan will be willing to negotiate the Senkaku Islands.”

    Very funny. You sounds like a very “powerful” person.

  163. Anon[169] • Disclaimer says:

    Hong Kong Today: What do the people have to say?

  164. annamaria says:

    State of the official journalism in the UK: https://consortiumnews.com/2019/09/11/uk-security-services-neutralized-countrys-leading-liberal-newspaper/#comments
    Apology for the lengthy repost.
    The comment section, by Abe:

    [MORE]

    Journalistic standards at the Guardian have been in precipitous decline for the better part of the last decade.

    In 2013ile the Edward Snowden revelations were being prepared for publication, the Guardian’s propaganda stenographer Matthew Weaver was peeking behind “tulip-patterned lace curtains” in the suburban Leicester apartment of blogger Eliot Higgins, aka “Brown Moses”.

    Weaver hailed Higgins as a “weapons expert” and “something of a pioneer” for laundering a “slew of YouTube footage” from so-called “citizen journalists”, most of whom turned out to be Al Qaeda affiliates in Syria.

    As the “Brown Moses” propaganda scam morphed into “Bellingcat”, the Guardian under Alan Rusbridger stepped up its abandonment of basic journalistic skepticism, and flagrantly flogged Higgins’ bogus “open source investigations” of conflicts in Syria and Ukraine as flat fact.

    Things went from bad to very much worse at the Guardian under Katharine Viner. The Guardian joined the “First Draft” network of “partners” including the Washington Post, New York Times, CNN, the UK Telegraph, and BBC News. All are stalwart mainstream media organs for Western “regime change” war propaganda.

    Formed by Google in June 2015 with Bellingcat as a founding member, the new “First Draft” coalition of Propaganda 3.0 organizations also includes the Atlantic Council’s Digital Forensics Research Lab and Stopfake. Kiev-based Stopfake site functions as a direct media outlet for Higgins’ “investigation reports” and uses the same fake fact-check post-truth strategy that Higgins employs.

    In a remarkable post-truth declaration, Google’s new First Draft hybrid war propaganda coalition insists that members “work together to tackle common issues, including ways to streamline the verification process”.

    In the post-truth regime of US, UK and NATO hybrid warfare, the deliberate distortion of truth and facts is called “verification”.

    The Washington Post / PropOrNot imbroglio, and “First Draft” coalition “partner” organizations’ zeal to “verify” US intelligence-backed fake news claims about Russian hacking of the 2016 US presidential election, reveal the post-truth mission of this new Google-backed hybrid war propaganda alliance.

    In Nazi terminology, Gleichschaltung was the process by which Hitler’s “security state” successively established its system of totalitarian control over all aspects of society, from the economy and trade associations to the media, culture and education. Gleichschaltung has been variously translated as “synchronization”, “bringing into line”, and “co-ordination”.

    The political process of Gleichschaltung has accelerated in American and British journalism, media and entertainment in recent years. This process is further coordinated with efforts of pro-Israel Lobby organizations in the US and UK, which actively seek confrontation with Russia, Syria and Iran.

    The Guardian’s disgusting vilification of Julian Assange, and its shameless enthusiasm for bogus charges of “anti-Semitism” against the British Labour Party and its leader, Jeremy Corbin, are clear indications that the process of Gleichschaltung continues apace, much to the delight of the pro-Israel Lobby and “security state”, both in the UK and the US.

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  165. annamaria says:
    @annamaria

    Luke Harding, the leading presstitute for the UK establishment:

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    , @d dan
  166. Erebus says:
    @annamaria

    Just a word of thanks for bringing those links to the attention of Unz readers.

    The “deep state” has found itself in uncomfortably shallow water, so they’re rather desperately trying to muddy it to compensate. That might work, until it doesn’t.

  167. d dan says:
    @annamaria

    Just to add to that, Nathan Rich produces several media about western media bias and lies on China. Nathan, an American himself, stays in China, and is uniquely able to bridge the cultural gap between the two countries.

    1, Nathan did an indepth rebuttal of a NY Times article on China’s healthcare.

    2. And this one about how CNN creates fear on China’s military rise:

    3. This one about BBC’s bias on Hong Kong riot:

    4. This one about how youtube censors pro-China info:

  168. Rollmop says:
    @nsa

    Jesus guys, at least try to get the accent right if you’re taking the mickey. It’s the Japanese that confuse ‘l’ and ‘r’, not Cantonese speakers.

  169. Smith says:

    [Using mostly duplicated comments across multiple threads is very bad behavior and may get all your future comments trashed.]

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  170. Erebus says:
    @Smith

    MEMO to Team “Smith”:

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    You are reminded that this is not optional, and repeated offences, or actions which cause the Team to be banned from an important forum are cause for dismissal.

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