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It goes without saying, the odiously ignoble troupe of societal misfits turned Marxist activists, commonly referred to as Social Justice Warriors (SJW), care naught about redressing the balance of an unfair world.

If SJWs genuinely empathized with the impoverished working and impecunious lower classes, whose wages have been catastrophically depressed by decades of unfettered and unskilled mass immigration into Western Europe and the United States, they’d rush to defend the British electorate’s decision to vacate the European Union as well as support America’s departure from the North American Free Trade Agreement.

If feminists were sincerely interested in defending women’s rights, they’d take to the streets of Rotherham and Malmö to pledge solidarity with the thousands of pre-teen and teenaged girls victimized by Islamic grooming gangs currently wreaking havoc on Northern Europe, instead of aligning themselves with the cultures that have been become synonymous with the sexual abuse of young women.

If Progressives genuinely cared about children and families, they’d fight to reunite embattled fathers with their estranged children, unfairly separated by a grievously unjust family court system that is hell-bent on eliminating the father figure from the home. Instead they no-platform brave filmmakers like Cassie Jaye for daring to suggest that men too have rights that need protecting, children need their fathers and challenging the hateful ethos of modern feminism.

But the Left have never been about doing right by their fellow man, fighting against genuine injustice or for a better world. The Left by nature are about destroying all that is righteous and decent through subversion and revolution. They thrive by sowing the seeds of societal discord, in the hope the disaffected they reach with their toxic message will eventually take up arms in their name in order to facilitate the transfer of power and lust for blood and societal carnage they crave.

Instead of helping those in genuine need the Neo-Marxist Left, and its instrument of terror — the Social Justice Warrior — exploit the misery and tragedy their policies result in to suck more lost souls into their demonic movement. In fact it’s often the people they’ve harmed most with their maddening activism that become their base and eventually their most fervid proponents.

Muslims and leftists make strange bedfellows
Muslims and leftists make strange bedfellows

In Western Europe this has been achieved by attacking the indigenous majority through the empowerment of the unassimilable economic migrant and black and Hispanic minorities, whom they then recruit to block highways and attack statues.

But things weren’t always so….

Social activism prior to the rise of the intolerant left

The behaviors and odious belief systems infecting today’s SJW lie in stark contrast to the behaviors exhibited and ideals embraced by eighteenth- and nineteenth-century justice and equality activists.

Domestically, humanitarians from centuries past — the vast majority of whom were White Anglo Saxon and Protestant — battled the injustices of child labor that arose as a direct result of mass industrialization and the shift from agrarian to manufacturing based economies. They did so by setting up homes for exploited British children and orphanages to protect young people from the industries exploiting them.

Others worked to see that women trafficked into cities to service workers were given equal protection under the law, and that brothels that spread debilitating sexually transmitted infections and exploited desperately destitute women were closed and women were encouraged to quit the sex industry and join reform institutions.

Evangelicals preferred to select their own candidates for admission more directly and often recruited prostitutes through street work, midnight meetings or brothel visiting. The London Female Mission to the Fallen employed eight missionaries, each of whom was responsible for a particular area of London: one missionary was solely responsible for the bridges of London. Late night meetings were held in towns and cities across England….Ellice Hopkins and her supporters were critical of midnight meetings, because the prostitutes who attended were generally drunk or disagreeable, so they went (missionaries) went straight to the brothels during the daytime to recruit.”[1]Paula Bartley, Prostitution: Prevention and Reform in England, 1860-1914 (London, Routledge Publishing, 1999 ), p.35.

Activists operating during the Edwardian and Victorian periods also campaigned to see slavery abolished globally. After relentless parliamentary lobbying from both Christian and secular abolitionists, and within a year of Westminster passing the Abolition of the Slave Trade Act in 1807, Britain’s Royal Navy took to the high seas separating the New and Old Worlds to eradicate the Transatlantic Slave trade, establishing the West Africa Squadron.

The Squadron was tasked with suppressing the Transatlantic Slave Trade along the coast of West Africa, where it targeted predominantly French and Spanish ships. Even Portugal, Britain’s longest standing ally, was not afforded immunity.

The endeavor commenced with just two small frigates which were vastly outmanned and overpowered by the slave ships they chased, however by the 1840’s the West Africa Squadron employed almost one quarter of the Royal Navy’s fleet and was a formidable force. By 1860, the West Africa Squadron had successfully captured 1,600 slave ships and freed nearly 200,000 Africans — something omitted from the anti-English orthodox historiography British children are force-fed.

Details of British sailors chasing slave ships across the Atlantic and freeing those on board have emerged in a 200-year-old log book from a British slave-hunter. The fascinating journal was kept by Henry Downe, the Commanding Officer of HMS Black Joke, a Brazillian slave ship, that was captured by the British Navy and turned into a slave-hunter.

One entry in Downe’s log describes how the Baltimore Clipper turned slave-hunter pursued a Spanish slave ship, the El Almirante, across the high seas for 31 hours in early 1829 before the seizing the vessel and freeing several hundred slaves.

Despite being half its size and having but two cannons compared to the enemy’s fourteen, the British Navy vanquished the Spanish brig in under an hour and a half.

Actual page in Commanding Officer Henry Downe’s log
Actual page in Commanding Officer Henry Downe’s log

Although Western Europe’s involvement in the slave trade ended well before the turn of the nineteenth century, to this day slavery and human trafficking is alive and well in Africa, the Mideast, across Central and South America, and Asia, and can sadly still be found in parts of Eastern Europe.

Israel, the ethnic homeland of many of those at the forefront of the SJW movement terrorizing the wider Western world has a particularly booming slave industry. Tens of thousands of Eastern European women are held against their will in the Jewish ethnostate, lured into the country with promises of modeling and dance contracts, only to be forced into prostitution. According to a study conducted by the Australian Walk Free Foundation Israel scores worse than many Mid East and North African nations including Lebanon, Tunisia and Egypt.

Britain’s Christian missionaries, despite of the lies the Left incessantly peddle about the Christian heart and soul, also spent much of their efforts championing the rights of women, both at home and abroad.

Unlike today’s SJWs who invent non-existent misogynistic micro-aggressions to combat any opposition, the nineteenth-century social justice activist defended women against the sorts of barbaric practices and religious laws our SJWs demand we import into our midst today. Were they alive today these nineteenth-century justice advocates would not be campaigning to import the barbaric Islamic practice of Female Genital Mutilation into Britain, but fighting to see it banished from the face of the earth, as they did the vile Hindu practice of Sati in India.

While today’s Black Lives Matter activists incinerate the inner city while inciting racial hatred against White Americans, nineteenth-century justice advocates would have entrenched themselves in the Black community, actively trying to change the culture and behaviors responsible for the violence.

The nineteenth-century social justice activist would not have deliberately ignored the fact that 93 per cent of Black victims of homicides are killed by other Blacks. They would have jumped on that statistic and done their best to change it.

And of those activists fighting for a better world, a large percentage were women. Pious, Protestant Christian women who’d dedicated their lives — often times risking all for the wellbeing of others and the betterment of society — were at the forefront of the nineteenth-century social advocacy movement.

Unlike today’s SJWs who require safe spaces to feel secure, nineteenth-century social justice activists faced genuine danger. I’m not talking about a Starbucks coffee served a few degrees too hot or a trigger-attack from knowing Richard Spencer is somewhere in their city. These women travelled to deepest, darkest Africa where the risk of being raped and killed was immense.

They worked tirelessly in the slums of Liverpool and Manchester where life-threatening tuberculosis, consumption and Irish Fever were rife. Places where there were no safe spaces, stuffed animals, Playdoh, therapeutic puppies or counsellors on hand to mollycoddle them. Apart from the brave men they fought alongside to hold their hands when things got rough, these women were completely on their own.

One such missionary, who sacrificed the convenience of her upper class upbringing to better the lives of others, was founding member of the British Society for Promoting Female Education in China, India and the East, Mary Ann Aldersey.

In 1844, less than three years after the British-Chinese Nanjing Treaty, which granted British Protestant missionaries access to the Chinese mainland, Aldersey travelled on a steamship from Britain to the Orient to found the very first girls’ school in China.[2]E. Aldersey White, A Woman Pioneer in China: The Life of Mary Ann Aldersey, (London, The Livingstone Press, 1932).

And she was not alone. During the nineteenth century thousands of female missionaries dedicated their lives to helping others, at home and abroad. In fact, female missionaries vastly outnumbered their male counterparts by the turn of the twentieth century. In Britain, hospitals, shelters and poor houses were run by churches and their predominantly female volunteers and were often funded by aristocrats.

Another major difference between today’s SJW and the nineteenth-century social justice activist was the latter’s belief in the cultural and moral superiority of classical Western culture, Great Britain and Christianity.

British Anglican missionaries believed that only through British leadership and Anglicanism could Africans be saved. During the nineteenth and twentieth centuries thousands of missionaries, travelled to Africa to build schools, develop irrigation systems and construct hospitals and orphanages, all for the benefit of British subjects. Although modern nationalist sensibilities instruct us that their efforts were misguided, perhaps even in vain, the fact remains Christian activists did a world of selfless good in Africa without remuneration of any kind.

And, in spite of the lies spewed by Left wing academics, the legacy of those early British Protestant missionaries has proven extraordinarily beneficial for the natives.

“One of the major agents of social transformation in much of Africa was Christianity, which in many ways has been a force for good socially, by curbing such evil practices as killing twins, and rescuing those thrown into the evil forest. They [Christian missionaries] also contributed to provision of quality healthcare, building hospitals, advocating for justice and equality, reconciling peoples, and preaching peace and mutual coexistence in the light of the Gospel message of love. Most importantly, they are involved in education, building schools and other institutions of learning. …The Christian missionaries adopted A. The provision of medical services B. The redemption and rehabilitation of slaves, social outcasts and the helpless C. Education in literary and vocational training.”[3]Cyril Orji & Joseph Ogbonnaya, Christianity and Culture Collision: Particularities and Trends from a Global South (Cambridge, Cambridge Scholars Publishing, 2016), p.101.

It should come as no surprise that this passage was taken from a book extolling the virtues of Anglican missionaries, penned by Black Nigerian academics, and not anti-White Western liberals.

Anglican missionaries, who were granted land by local tribal councils and colonial decree, used the properties allotted to them, not to exploit resources to ship back to Britain, but to build clinics and schools where local tribal children were educated. The native population, who accepted the Christian ideals of the British missionaries and subsequently sent their children to the schools, tended to become educated as preachers and teachers. Societies that embraced Christianity and welcomed the missionaries into their communities tended to be more progressive (genuinely progressive), had access to Western medicine, clean water and ultimately lived longer lives. That South African Blacks continue to live decades longer than Blacks in any other nation with a majority Bantu population can be attributed to centuries of White rule.

Conversely, communities that choose to adopt Marxist or left-wing values regress back to the African norm, as can be seen in places like Johannesburg, Detroit, Baltimore and South London.

Detroit’s once glorious Mark Twain Public Library.
Detroit’s once glorious Mark Twain Public Library.

Another striking difference, illustrated by the photo atop this article, is the obvious physical contrariety between today’s SJWs and activists from centuries past. While Marxism has historically attracted society’s very worst to its cause, missionary work attracted its very best. Demure English women of high moral standard have been replaced with painfully unattractive societal misfits — the obese, degenerates and outcasts. Pious Christian family people have been replaced by genderless sexual deviants, and the educated upper-class WASP with Blacks, Hispanics and Muslims.

Note the photo of Karl Marx on the beta male’s nightstand
Note the photo of Karl Marx on the beta male’s nightstand

Whether misguided in their actions or not, nineteenth-century social justice activists were undeniably driven by an altruism that’s innate to the European spirit, while contemporary SJWs are driven by malice — a hatred born in the souls of the people corrupted by Talmudism and behind Bolshevism. An ideology that’s slowly but surely crept its way into each and every last one of our institutions and into the hearts and minds of millions of people inhabiting Western lands.

The nineteenth century social justice activist’s ambition was a product of their belief in God, love for their fellow man and the lessons they learned in their church. Today’s SJW conversely, hates all that is decent and righteous, and shoots up churches.­­

Jack Sen graduated magna cum laude from Syracuse University with a B.A. in Colonial History, and is the cofounder of Resistance Radio (http://www.resistanceradio.tv).

Notes

[1] Paula Bartley, Prostitution: Prevention and Reform in England, 1860-1914 (London, Routledge Publishing, 1999 ), p.35.

[2] E. Aldersey White, A Woman Pioneer in China: The Life of Mary Ann Aldersey, (London, The Livingstone Press, 1932).

[3] Cyril Orji & Joseph Ogbonnaya, Christianity and Culture Collision: Particularities and Trends from a Global South (Cambridge, Cambridge Scholars Publishing, 2016), p.101.

(Republished from The Occidental Observer by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. Da Wei says:

    Jack Sen,

    Thank you for this inciteful, cogent article, as well as the revealing illustrations. Your writing is ripe with substance and intelligent in delivery. The picture of the Detroit Mark Twain Library is simply bewildering, so congratulations on its rhetorical impact here.

    Here is my brief and somewhat mixed addendum:
    Bridging from 19th Century to 20th is Albert Schweitzer (Doctor of Medicine, of Music [pipe organ], of Philosophy, of Theology [Quest of the Historical Jesus]) and his medical clinic, Lambaranie, in Africa.

    Second, in the era preceding blistering war between Vietnam and the US was Tom Dooley and his free medical clinics in Laos and inspiring books about his humanistic journey.

    Third, the Colonial American slave trade involved a good many ships owned by Jews, indicating their involvement in profitable human trafficking back then, yet mention of this comes most vocally from Louis Farakhan, a technically good preacher, but not a Christian.

    Fourth I pose as an inquiry. Has serious investigation taken place linking the “Pedophile Island” in the West Indies — including the well known tour guide and his jet liner and high profile tourists — with the current condition of sex trafficking in Israel? I suspect not, if only because of Bibi’s ability to silence investigation as “anti-semetic” and the cooperation of our lackey politicians jumping to their feet applauding him. Still, I have to ask the question. Maybe there’s no connection, but is anybody asking?

    I mention these four points because your intelligent article stimulates the mind and spirit, not because it is incomplete in any way.

    If there were a Kipling Award for Fighting the Good Fight, I’d nominate you for it.

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    this inciteful, cogent article
     
    Did you mean inciteful, or insightful?

    Either way, it seems a fair description of the piece (I would regard inciting in this context as a compliment, being inspiration to action in a necessary and worthy cause). I don't agree with all of it, but then again it isn't my piece, and its heart is certainly in the right place.

    Good stuff, Mr Sen.
    , @Da Wei
    Randal, thanks. You're right about the misspelled word. I really meant insightful.
    Many articles here I find inciteful, but this one just set me to thinking.
    , @Wally
    said:
    "Third, the Colonial American slave trade involved a good many ships owned by Jews, indicating their involvement in profitable human trafficking ..."

    Black researcher, Dr. Tony Martin, let's us know who the prime sellers & owners of slaves really were, Jews.
    Dr. Tony Martin - The Jewish Role in the African Slave Trade
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ut7I75Q_-zA
    Statue of Jew Confederate slave owner stands untouched in Florida
    https://revisionistreview.blogspot.it/2017/08/statue-of-judaic-confederate-slave.html
    fact:
    slavery of black Africans would have never happened without black Africans selling black African slaves
    "African chiefs urged to apologise for slave trade
    Nigerian civil rights group says tribal leaders' ancestors sold people to slavers and should say sorry"
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/nov/18/africans-apologise-slave-trade
    "African chiefs were the ones waging war on each other and capturing their own people and selling them. If anyone should apologise it should be the African chiefs. We still have those traitors here even today."

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  2. Singh says:

    as they did the vile Hindu practice of Sati in India.

    Yes because 1 in 50,000 widows became millions annually & by all accounts the British were interested in selling the widows into prostitution.

    http://indiafacts.org/missionaries-sati-colonial-india/

    http://indiafacts.org/sati-atrocity-narrative-civilizing-mission/

    http://indiafacts.org/sati-historical-evidence/

    Genociding pagans & helping muslim. White people are fine but it’s too bad so many are christian like this duffer.

    We need an abrahamic genocide Liberalism is also abrahamic।।

    http://mosmaiorum.org/persecution_list.html

    We must appropriate whatever good belongs to the Pagan it was said in On Christian Doctrine Book II

    So now your ‘social gospel’ leads to your daughters being appropriated.

    You tried to steal our Aryan heritage now your continent is invaded by those with skin burnt darker than any Dravidian।।

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾ।।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ।।

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    Do not spread your Hinduwadi nonsense propaganda here.
    , @Malla

    all accounts the British were interested in selling the widows into prostitution.
     
    Wild speculation at best.
    , @Malla

    Genociding pagans & helping muslim.
     
    Yeah that explains the destruction of Tipu's kingdom by the Brits, the same Tipu who for no reason attacked Hindu kingdoms in Kerala. That explains that after the creation of British India, Afghan invasions into India stopped completely.
    It also explains why the evil White Christian Brits attempted to return the gates of Somnath Temple back from Afghanistan, which were looted by the Muslim Afghans.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somnath_temple
    In 1782-83 AD, Maratha king Mahadaji Shinde, victoriously brought back three silver gates from Lahore after defeating Mahmud Shah Abdati, to Somnath. After refusal from priests of Gujarat and the then ruler Gaekwad to put them back on Somnath temple, these silver gates were placed in the temples of Ujjain. Today they can be seen in two temples of India, Mahakaleshwar Jyotirlinga and Gopal Mandir of Ujjain.[33][34][35] In 1842, Edward Law, 1st Earl of Ellenborough issued his the Proclamation of the Gates, in which he ordered the British army in Afghanistan to return via Ghazni and bring back to India the sandalwood gates from the tomb of Mahmud of Ghazni in Ghazni, Afghanistan. These were believed to have been taken by Mahmud from Somnath. There was a debate in the House of Commons in London in 1843 on the question of the gates of the temple.[36][37] After much crossfire between the British Government and the opposition, the gates were uprooted and brought back in triumph. But on arrival, they were found to be replicas of the original.[34] They were placed in a store-room in the Agra Fort where they still lie to the present day.[38][39]



    Also explains why the Evil White Christian Brits wanted to preserve as much as Indian culture.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sanskrit_College_and_University
    Sanskrit College and University (erstwhile Sanskrit College) is a specialized state-government administered Liberal Arts University offering an undergraduate degree in Sanskrit language, Pali language, Linguistics and ancient Indian and world history.[1][2] It is one of the affiliated colleges of the University of Calcutta. Founded on 1 January 1824, Sanskrit College, is one of the oldest educational institutions in the subcontinent.[3] It is a traditional college that specializes in the scholarship of Indian tradition, philosophy and religion. It is located on College Street in central Kolkata. Its centrality is heightened by its proximity to Hindu School, Presidency College, Kolkata, the University of Calcutta, and the Indian Coffee House. It was established during the Governor-Generalship of Lord Amherst, based on a recommendation by HT James Prinsep and Thomas Babington Macaulay among others. The great Indian Hindu thinker from Bengal Iswarchandra Vidyasagr came from this college.



    Also explains why many evil White Christians supported and influenced South Indian Carnatic classical music.
    from
    https://indianraga.wordpress.com/2007/10/25/british-raj-and-indian-classical-music/
    British Raj & Indian Classical Music
    When you think of Carnatic music, you think of temples, music which has retained its pristine purity over the ages and something strongly South Indian. But Carnatic music like all Indian art forms has been open to various cultural influences from all over the country and across the seas. Strange as it may sound, the British Raj and its bands have left a firm imprint on this most traditional music form. Muthuswami Dikshitar and Thyagaraja, two of the most revered composers of Carnatic music, were certainly influenced by the strange tunes from the British.
    Perhaps the earliest innovation was the violin. This very Western instrument became part of the Carnatic music tradition when the family of composer Ramaswami Dikshitar moved from Tiruvarur to Madras in the 1790s. The five-year stay exposed brothers Muthuswami and Baluswami Dikshitars to the ‘airs’ that were being played by the Fort St George orchestra.
    Baluswami Dikshitar learnt to play the violin from an Englishman and introduced it to the Carnatic concert platform. Muthuswami Dikshitar composed around fifty verses in Sanskrit, based on the orchestra’s music. The most famous among these is ‘Santatam Pahi Mam Sangita Shyamale’ which is set to the same tune as ‘God Save The King’! Muthuswami Dikshitar’s contemporary, Thyagaraja, composed ‘Raminsuvar Evarura’ in the Raga Suposhini, which was clearly inspired by music that accompanies march pasts.
    His ‘Vara Lila Gana Lola’ in Raga Sankarabharanam, is also completely based on Western band tunes. Thyagaraja used words that had come into Telugu from English in some of his compositions. The usage of the word Landaru (from Lantern) in the kriti ‘Emi Jesite Nemi’ (Raga Todi) and Shalu (from Shawl) in the kriti ‘Jutamurare’ (Raga Arabhi) are examples.
    The British were not immune to the beauty of Carnatic music. We have instances of singers such as Maha Vaidyanatha Sivan being appreciated by British officials. The antics and contortions of Sivagangai Periya Vaithi, are said to have scared at least one British Mem into hysterics.
    Gopalakrishna Bharat’s Nandan Charitram moved a French official of Karaikkal to such an extent that he funded the first publication of the work. The Madras Jubilee Gayan Samaj opened its office in 1883 and among its patrons were such senior officials as Sir Charles Turner, Col McLeod and Gen S Chamier.
    Programmes featuring Carnatic music were held at the Pachiappa’s Hall in George Town, Madras and many Englishmen attended these events. Patnam Subramanya Iyer, the composer who lived in Madras for 12 years, thereby acquiring the prefix Patnam (city), created the Raga Kathanakutoohalam, which can easily pass off as a melody in Western Music. His song ‘Raghuvamsa Sudha’ in this Raga is a favourite among instrumentalists, specially when they are performing to an International audience.
    At the turn of the century, the Harikatha movement (story telling with music) was at its peak. Innovations were happening in this genre. Exponents such as Harikesanallur L Muthiah Bhagavatar and Tirupazhanam Panchapakesa Sastriar were in the fore front. A popular item in their repertoire was the description of Rama’s marriage to Sita. During their discourse they let their imagination run riot and even described a ‘band’ that belted out music during the wedding procession. The ever popular ‘English Note’ was created for this.
    The Imperial Durbar of 1911 marked the zenith of the British Raj. The visit certainly influenced classical music. Gauhar Jan of Calcutta and Janki Bai of Allahabad performed a mujra for King George V, and for their song ‘Yeh Hai Tajposhi Ka Jalsa Mubarak Ho Mubarak Ho’ they were given a gift of 100 guineas. M Lakshmana Suri of Madras, father of Judge and musicologist T L Venkatarama Iyer and uncle to Harikesanallur L Muthaiah Bhagavatar, composed a set of 100 verses in Sanskrit on the King. It was titled ‘George Deva Shatakam’. He was awarded the title of Mahamahopadhyaya for the effort.
    The Muthialpet Sabha of George Town, Madras, announced a competition among composers for coming up with a song on King George. The eminent vocalist and composer Ramanathapuram ‘Poochi’ Srinivasa Iyengar was awarded the gold medal for his kriti ‘Satatamu Brovumayya Chakravartini’ in Raga Todi. A mangalam (benediction) too was composed. It goes ‘Jayatu Jayatu Sarvabhauma George Nama, Sundari Mary Ragni Sahita Vijayi Bhava’.
    It must have been very pleasant for Queen Mary to be called a beauty. Sadly the composer is not known. In the mid-thirties, Chittoor V Nagaiah released a 78 rpm recording of a Javali, that began with the words ‘O my lovely Lalana’. The song is a delightful mix of Telugu and English. Much closer to Independence, Ariyakkudi Ramanuja Iyengar had the occasion to perform before an English collector. In order to impress him, Iyengar began with the English note. The man was not happy. ‘‘When will you sing ‘Entaro Mahanubhavulu’?’’ he asked. Carnatic music had come full circle.
    The influence has not vanished with the end of the British Raj. During the Rishabha Vahanam procession at the Kapaleeswarar temple in Mylapore, it is customary for the bearers of the idol to dance to the tune of a band during the last lap of the event. The tunes played are the English note and… hold your breath, ‘For He’s a Jolly Good Fellow’! But then that is quite a good description of the Lord.
    , @Malla
    Typical Hinduwadi spin based on nonsense blaming everything on evul missionaries.

    Check this out

    In 1812 Raja Ram Mohan Roy, founder of Brahmo Samaj, began to champion the cause of banning sati practice. He was motivated by the experience of seeing his own sister-in-law being forced to commit sati.[111] He visited Kolkata’s cremation grounds to persuade widows against immolation, formed watch groups to do the same, sought the support of other elite Bengali classes, and wrote and disseminated articles to show that it was not required by Hindu scripture.[111] He was at loggerheads with Hindu groups which did not want the Government to interfere in religious practices.[12]

    From 1815-1818 Sati deaths doubled. Ram Mohan Roy launched an attack on Sati that “aroused such anger that for awhile his life was in danger”[112] In 1821 he published a tract opposing Sati, and in 1823 the Serampore missionaries led by Carey published a book containing their earlier essays, of which the first three chapters opposed Sati. Another Christian missionary published a tract against Sati in 1927.

    Sahajanand Swami, the founder of the Swaminarayan sect, preached against the practice of sati in his area of influence, that is Gujarat. He argued that the practice had no Vedic standing and only God could take a life he had given. He also opined that widows could lead lives that would eventually lead to salvation. Sir John Malcolm, the Governor of Bombay supported Sahajanand Swami in this endeavor.[113]

    So tell me, Raja Ram Mohan Roy & Sahajnand Swami were Christian missionaries? LOL.
    , @Malla
    That Hinduwadi idiot meenakshi jain claims that missionaries reported 10000 to 1000000 satis per year. There was nothing of the kind and if such were reported, they were nevr believed or accepted as official.

    A 1829 report by a Christian missionary organization includes among other things, statistics on sati. It begins with a declaration that "the object of all missions to the heathen is to substitute for these systems the Gospel of Christ", thereafter lists sati for each year over the period 1815-1824 which totals 5,369, followed by a statement that a total of 5,997 instances of women were burned or buried alive in the Bengal presidency over the 10-year period, i.e., average 600 per year. In the same report, it states that the Madras and Bombay presidencies totaled 635 instances of sati over the same ten-year period.[168] The 1829 missionary report does not provide its sources and acknowledges that "no correct idea can be formed of the number of murders occasioned by suttees", then states some of the statistics is based on "conjectures".[168] According to Yang, these "numbers are fraught with problems".[169]

    William Bentinck, in a 1829 report, stated without specifying the year or period, that "of the 463 satis occurring in the whole of the Presidency of Fort William,[note 6] 420 took place in Bengal, Behar, and Orissa, or what is termed the Lower Provinces, and of these latter 287 in the Calcutta Division alone". For the Upper Provinces, Bentinck added, "in these Provinces the satis amount to forty three only upon a population of nearly twenty millions", i.e., average one sati per 465,000.

    Where did Meenakshi jain make up such wild numbers of 10000 per year or 100000 per year I do not know. It is more likely she made up such wild numbers in typical Hinduwadi fashion, not missionaries. Even if it were only 10 girls a year forcefully commiting Sati or just 1 girl a year, it is vile and it is good it was banned. Remember these were not cases of jauhar, when there was a invading Islamic army standing at the gates but at peacetime. Jauhar one can understand (as some Muslim barbarian would rape and enslave the women), but in peacetimes there is no need for something so vile to be forced on any woman. Thank God for those kind missionaries, Mr. Ram Mohan Roy, Sajanand Swami, Lord William Bentinck etc... for ending this vile practice.
    , @Malla
    And what about this?

    Following the outcry after the sati of Roop Kanwar, the Indian Government enacted the Rajasthan Sati Prevention Ordinance, 1987 on 1 October 1987 and later passed the Commission of Sati (Prevention) Act, 1987.

    The Commission of Sati (Prevention) Act, 1987 Part I, Section 2(c) defines sati as:

    The burning or burying alive of –

    (i) any widow along with the body of her deceased husband or any other relative or with any article, object or thing associated with the husband or such relative; or
    (ii) any woman along with the body of any of her relatives, irrespective of whether such burning or burying is claimed to be voluntary on the part of the widow or the women or otherwise.

    The Prevention of Sati Act makes it illegal to support, glorify or attempt to commit sati. Support of sati, including coercing or forcing someone to commit sati, can be punished by death sentence or life imprisonment, while glorifying sati is punishable with one to seven years in prison.

    Check out the THE COMMISSION OF SATI (PREVENTION) ACT, 1987
    http://www.wcd.nic.in/act/commission-sati-prevention-act-and-rules
    MINISTRY OF WOMEN & CHILD DEVELOPMENT | GOVERNMENT OF INDIA
    https://web.archive.org/web/20091025224737/http://nrcw.nic.in/shared/sublinkimages/13.htm

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12346744

    This document contains major provisions of India's 1987 Rajasthan Sati (Prevention) Act. The Act seeks to prevent the voluntary or forced burning or burying alive of widows, an action known as "sati," and to prohibit glorification of this action through the observance of any ceremony, the participation in any procession, the creation of a financial trust, the construction of a temple, or any actions to commemorate or honor the memory of a widow who committed sati. Attempts to commit sati may be punished by imprisonment for 1-5 years and a fine. Directly or indirectly abetting the commission of sati is punishable by death or life imprisonment and a fine. Abetting attempts to commit sati may result in a fine and life imprisonment. Abetment is defined as inducing a widow to commit sati, making a widow believe that performance of sati will result in a spiritual benefit for her or her deceased husband or her family, obstructing police officers attempting to prevent sati, preventing a widow from saving herself, or being present at any place where sati is committed as an active participation to such commission or to any attendant ceremony. Glorification of sati can be punished by imprisonment for 1-7 years and a fine. The Act empowers Collectors and District Magistrates to take specific actions, which include removing temples or other structures constructed to glorify sati and appropriating funds collected to glorify sati. The Act further creates special courts to try offenses and places the burden of proof of innocence upon the accused.


    Read the above act properly. This was passed by the Government of Independent India in 1987. Iz da government of India a evul missionary? Why did the Indian government have to pass such an act if the whole Sati thing is a myth? The Indian Government has a lot of things on it's hands to waste time by creating unwanted legislation.
    , @Alden
    Something I just thought of. If there were young children, what happened to them with both parents dead?

    Were pregnant women spared until the baby was born? What about nursing mothers? Did the avaricious relatives bother to find a wet nurse before murdering the Mother? Wet nurses cost money, what about families who didn’t have or didn’t want to spend the. money for a wet nurse? Since Sati was about inheritance, maybe they just killed the baby one less person to share the money. For the poor one less mouth to feed and child to raise.

    Did the avaricious relatives and priests swarm in, steal everything and sell the girls into prostitution an d turn the boys out into the streets? What if teenage kids were old enough to defend themselves their homes and inheritance?

    What about the mental health of women who grew up knowing that they would be burnt to death?
    , @Moi
    I guess you'd be happy with a Hindu fascist like India's Modi or our own Sikh-in-Christian clothing Namrata Randhawa (aka Nikki Haley).
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    O Sen is a Hindu last name nvm. This rice bag will just ban my comments।।

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    Hindus & Sikhs worship Sati Ma who is a form of the wife of Lord Shiva।।Dishonorable desert cultures where the idea of death before dishonor does not exist can never understand this।।It is always better to burn yourself alive with your children than to have your dead bodies raped & survivors sold into slavery by christian & muslim।।

    It is fine though the revenge of the Aryan burns like the sun & is cold like Himalayan ice।।
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    @Singh
    O Sen is a Hindu last name nvm. This rice bag will just ban my comments।।

    Hindus & Sikhs worship Sati Ma who is a form of the wife of Lord Shiva।।Dishonorable desert cultures where the idea of death before dishonor does not exist can never understand this।।It is always better to burn yourself alive with your children than to have your dead bodies raped & survivors sold into slavery by christian & muslim।।

    It is fine though the revenge of the Aryan burns like the sun & is cold like Himalayan ice।।

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    Dishonorable desert cultures where the idea of death before dishonor does not exist can never understand this।
     
    Jauhar and Sati are not the same, exactly. And how can you say death before dishonour did not exist in other parts of the world. This concept is common in many parts of the world. Christians did not sell Indians into slavery (at least not the British, Portuguese maybe). It were only Muslims.
    , @Alden
    Death before dishonor can be achieved in less bizarro sadistic ways For instance a large group of Greek women tied themselves and their children together and went over a cliff to escape slavery by the Turks. A countess Dracula jumped off the castle wall and killed her self when it looked like the Turks conquered the castke

    There is a famous statue of a Gual warrior defeated by the Romans. His wife is already dead and he is halfway through slitting his own throat

    And those sadistic horrible Satis were always a 3 day public spectacle and festivity arranged by the priests, not a Muslim rapist within hundreds of miles.

    Rape and prostitution? Clean up your own house first. It’s the Hindu parts of India where rape is rampant. There are plenty of Temples in India today where the child priestesses are prostitures.

    The British putting the widows into brothels? Few widows were young, what good is a middle aged women in a brothel? And the Indians not the British ran the brothels.

    The reason for Sati was financial ; kill the widow and inherit everything
    For the poor, one less mouth to feed.

    For the priests who arranged the Satis they were well paid, as clergy are paid for their services in every religion.

    For the vendors who went to the festivals, lots of money like all the vendors who follow carnivals, county fairs rodeos and other fairs and festivals world wide.

    Going from father’s harem to husband’s harem is bliss compared to Sati. Muslim oppression of women? Nothing compared to oppression by burning women alive and allegedly not drugged.

    FYI when the Europeans burnt people convicted of various crimes to death they weren’t really burnt. When they were tied to the stake they were strangled

    This really isn’t the place to advocate a return to extreme Hinduism and Sati. That movement belongs more in Hindu India where you can convert the back sliders.

    Are you sincere about this or do you own some companies that sell food and trinkets at festivals? Doesn’t India have enough festivals to keep your profits coming in?

    Different views and opinions, that’s what Unz is for.

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    @Singh
    as they did the vile Hindu practice of Sati in India.

    Yes because 1 in 50,000 widows became millions annually & by all accounts the British were interested in selling the widows into prostitution.

    http://indiafacts.org/missionaries-sati-colonial-india/
    http://indiafacts.org/sati-atrocity-narrative-civilizing-mission/
    http://indiafacts.org/sati-historical-evidence/

    Genociding pagans & helping muslim. White people are fine but it's too bad so many are christian like this duffer.

    We need an abrahamic genocide Liberalism is also abrahamic।।

    http://mosmaiorum.org/persecution_list.html

    We must appropriate whatever good belongs to the Pagan it was said in On Christian Doctrine Book II

    So now your 'social gospel' leads to your daughters being appropriated.

    You tried to steal our Aryan heritage now your continent is invaded by those with skin burnt darker than any Dravidian।।

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾ।।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ।।

    Do not spread your Hinduwadi nonsense propaganda here.

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    @Singh
    Hindus & Sikhs worship Sati Ma who is a form of the wife of Lord Shiva।।Dishonorable desert cultures where the idea of death before dishonor does not exist can never understand this।।It is always better to burn yourself alive with your children than to have your dead bodies raped & survivors sold into slavery by christian & muslim।।

    It is fine though the revenge of the Aryan burns like the sun & is cold like Himalayan ice।।

    Dishonorable desert cultures where the idea of death before dishonor does not exist can never understand this।

    Jauhar and Sati are not the same, exactly. And how can you say death before dishonour did not exist in other parts of the world. This concept is common in many parts of the world. Christians did not sell Indians into slavery (at least not the British, Portuguese maybe). It were only Muslims.

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    @Singh
    as they did the vile Hindu practice of Sati in India.

    Yes because 1 in 50,000 widows became millions annually & by all accounts the British were interested in selling the widows into prostitution.

    http://indiafacts.org/missionaries-sati-colonial-india/
    http://indiafacts.org/sati-atrocity-narrative-civilizing-mission/
    http://indiafacts.org/sati-historical-evidence/

    Genociding pagans & helping muslim. White people are fine but it's too bad so many are christian like this duffer.

    We need an abrahamic genocide Liberalism is also abrahamic।।

    http://mosmaiorum.org/persecution_list.html

    We must appropriate whatever good belongs to the Pagan it was said in On Christian Doctrine Book II

    So now your 'social gospel' leads to your daughters being appropriated.

    You tried to steal our Aryan heritage now your continent is invaded by those with skin burnt darker than any Dravidian।।

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾ।।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ।।

    all accounts the British were interested in selling the widows into prostitution.

    Wild speculation at best.

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    Todays SJWs are misfits and idiots who are the result of decades of Marxist propaganda via the education system and the media. They are financed and directed by the globalist elites to destroy Western civilization and the White race. This is important before the globalists can set up their one world government slave society on Earth. These same globalist elites financed nearly all the anti-colonial movements, the destruction of South Africa and Rhodesia, spreading of Communism and now finally the West.

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    The interesting thing is, out here in California, the only SJWs I really ever see or hear of/from are whites...most West Coast Latinos, and to a greater extent, Asians, have no interest or need to adopt any of the SJW positions.
    , @Backwoods Bob
    Exactly so, Malla.

    I don't see any way out of this so long as we have government schools. Long ago, in the era of common schools, the locality both funded and controlled the delivery of education at the primary level especially.

    You can't even have centralized control over education at the state level.

    Insofar as the author, I feel the same way Stefan Molyneaux does about Christianity. Despite being atheists, based upon science, we respect Christianity for the positive externalities upon society.

    However, Christianity has one glaring negative externality, and that is Zionism. And this is just far too huge to excuse. It is a curse of immense magnitude.
    , @Druid
    So you think apartheid should've continued in South Africa, huh! That says it all about you. It's true that the country ran better under the whites, but it fully worked only for the whites, who were 10 percent of the population
    , @V

    They are financed and directed by the globalist elites to destroy Western civilization and the White race. This is important before the globalists can set up their one world government slave society on Earth.
     
    I think your quite right about that.

    On occasion it happens in times of war and great crises that things which are normally hidden from view come out in the open. Most everyone can recall the WWII era photograph of Joseph Stalin flanked by both Churchill and Roosevelt, the reality being that of a Communist flanked by his two Capitalist masters. Then there was the poster of the war time Soviet soldier with the caption ‘This man is your friend’ aimed at the US armed forces. While no doubt the forces promoting international hyper-capitalism do see Communism as a ‘friend’ of theirs its highly doubtful as to whether the system that soldier represented on the poster was or is a friend to most everyday individuals, man or woman.

    Almost a hundred years prior to WWII there was another great cataclysm, ie the Irish Famine of the years 1845-1850. Due to the potato blight and the heavy reliance on the potato crop for sustenance in Ireland, along with the application of almost pure laisez faire free market capitalism to the affair by the British Empire, the result was a famine which cost the lives of an estimated one million Irish. Another one million Irish during this same approximate period were lost due to the enmasse predation of the Irish population recruited as wage slaves (ie ‘cheap laborers’ so called) to the United States and far flung places of the British Empire. Most of these latter Irish would never see Ireland again, that is the ones that survived the trip overseas as a great many didn’t. Ireland proper therefore during these years lost two million people, fully a quarter of its population, due to the famine and the described enmasse predation. Ireland looked just about ‘done for’.

    In 1851 the London Times published an editorial regarding a tour of Ireland made by Abbott Lawrence, the US ambassador to the UK, which at the time included the whole of Ireland. Bear in mind that London Times editorials are not just any British journalism as they have long been seen as a mouthpiece for official British government thought regarding policy. While the famine had by then abated somewhat, the enmasse predation of the Irish was still continuing in very great number (ie Ireland was losing 250,000 people a year to this, the same number approximately that it had been losing yearly to famine) and looked as though it might continue on for many years. Lawrence was a Massachusetts textile factory magnate and as Ireland had become a primary source of wage slaves for his manufacturing plants his appointment as US ambassador to the UK was no doubt seen by him as a plum post. The Times editorial openly describes the Irish people being ‘known no more’ as a people, not due to the famine, but due to their enmasse predation as a source of wage slaves. The historic ‘immigrant’ Plantatation of the north of Ireland and the resulting 'mixed' population there is referred to in slave terms by the editorial as being ‘more mixed’, ‘more docile’, and which much unlike the purely indigenous Irish, ‘submits to a master’. The editorial indicates that it is to be this ‘mixed’ population of the north of Ireland that is to be used to occupy the rest of Ireland where the original Irish had once been. The Irish which have gone to the US as wage slaves, ie to places such as Abbott Lawrence’s newly constructed industrial town of Lawrence, Mass, officially nicknamed ‘Immigrant City’ to this day, are to ‘mix with the Anglo-American’, and thus be ‘known no more’. The editorial adds, something that sjws would no doubt be in agreement with, that, ‘the great law of Providence...seems to reward and enjoin the mixing of races.’ It was not coincidental that the then still largely Anglo-Saxon United States, wishing to preserve itself, would see the rise of the ‘Know Nothing’ movement only a few short years after this editorial was published.

    'It [the Irish people] will mix with the Anglo-American, and be known no more as a jealous and separate people.'

    London Times - 1851

    The prosperity and happiness he [Lawrence] speaks of may some day reign over that beautiful island. It’s fertile soil, its water-power, its minerals, and other materials for the wants and luxuries of man, may one day be developed; but all apearances are against the belief that this will ever happen in the days of the Celt. That tribe will soon fulfill the great law of Providence which seems to enjoin and reward the union of races. It will mix with the Anglo-American, and be known no more as a jealous and separate people. Its present place will be occupied by the more mixed, more docile, and more serviceable race, which has long borne the yoke of sturdy industry in this island, which can submit to a master and obey the law…
     
    During the primordial days of the multicult in the mid 19th century they were a lot more open and plain spoken about these things in the media of the day. Since that time they've discovered the power of Pavlovian conditoning, aka positive reinforcement, and are not so blunt about things. Catch more flies with honey than with vinegar and all that.

    So, in one editorial regarding this great crises, you have all the ingredients of modern multiculturalism presented, sans the modern acoutrement of the often fraudulent 'asylum seeker' and 'refugee' which have been tossed in to obsfuscate the slavery which as at the core of the ideology. You have open acknowledgements of the closely parallelling chattel and wage slavery (ie 'cheap labor' so called) systems genocidal effects on both those people preyed upon as a source and those by diktat on the receiving end. There is the slave references to the historic ‘immigrant’ plantation population in the north of Ireland, and the resulting 'more mixed' population there described as slaves, this 'mixing' of peoples indeed being a major part of the role of 'the immigrant' as a wage slave in the multicultural society. And then that ‘Providence’ ‘rewards and enjoins’ this genocidal and quite unnatural ‘mixing’ which as the London Times gently clarifies results in a people being 'more mixed, more docile, and which submits to a master'. The editorial also notes, though not excerpted here, that there are great new markets opening up as a result of all this human misery, ie, amongst other things, the shipping firms which are hired out to transport the Irish away from Ireland, again closely paralleling chattel slavery. Another parallel of wage slavery with chattel slavery is the predation of broken and defeated peoples for these slaves, here being an Ireland which has historically experienced Cromwell, is under long term British occupation, and stricken with famine on top of it.

    And what did the Irish themselves call this enmasse predation of their people as wage slaves which the London Times declared would soon enough result in the Irish people being ‘known no more’? As documented by the The Spectator of London in 1847 which is quoted from and linked below…they called it ‘extermination’.

    This editorial was starkly entitled 'Extermination and Vengeance' as the Irish people were actively shooting those in Ireland that were promoting their enmasse predation as wage slaves to the United States. I've linked the two complete editorials below.

    Such is the conduct which the Irish incendiaries name “extermination.”

    The Spectator - 1847

    The case of Mr. Ormsby Gore is very instructive. The Irish papers, alluding to his estate of Leganommer, had a terrific story of "extermination in Leitrim,” full of direct falsehoods. Setting aside smaller matters, it appears that the tenants on the estate owed rent for several years, in some instances for as many as twelve or fourteen; one year’s rent was demanded, under pain of a twelvemonth’s notice to quit: not a shilling of rent was offered, and the notice was enforced; but the enforcement was accompanied with a declaration that those who could not retain their holdings would be aided by their landlord to emigrate to America. Such is the conduct which the Irish incendiaries name “extermination.”
     
    One close parallel between the chattel and wage slavery systems that the editorial doesn’t describe directly is the loss of life that occurs. People might recall the scene in Amistad where, being chased by a ship of the West African squadron the slaver decides to jettison its load of chattel slaves into the ocean (with large rocks tied to their bodies so that they would sink and drown) so as to avoid their capture and prosecution. There is the exact parallel in the US and now unfortunately Europe where when the law gets too hot for some of these wage slave smugglers, they too do just as their slaver forebears did in the 18th century and jettison their human loads. They do this by simply abandoning the enclosed and sealed van trailers on the side of the road or in parking lots. I’ve linked two cases below, one in Europe where fifty ‘migrants’ were found dead and another in the US where approximately ten bodies were found inside of an abandoned trailer. Their blood, as well as the associated genocide and slavery that is occurring with the wage slavery system, is on the heads of the sjws who by their support and unbridled advocacy of uncontrolled mass immigration enable these tragedies to occur.

    http://ebooks.library.cornell.edu/cgi/t/text/pageviewer-idx?c=livn;cc=livn;rgn=full%20text;idno=livn0031-7;didno=livn0031-7;view=image;seq=296;node=livn0031-7%3A1;page=root;size=100

    http://archive.spectator.co.uk/article/20th-november-1847/12/extermination-and-vengeance

    https://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/672183?keywords=austria-migrants-truck-human&year=2015&month=08&date=27&id=672183&aliaspath=%2FManage%2FArticles%2FTemplate-Wire&oref=r.search.yahoo.com

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/eight-dead-inside-truck-texas-143117349.html
    , @V

    This is important before the globalists can set up their one world government slave society on Earth.
     
    Bearing in mind that all a slave owner wishes to do hook or by crook (often times a lot of crook) is to pay cost significantly below the actual or expected local value of an individual's labor, and does so by purchasing and importing someone not of their own, a chattel, to do this. The slave dealer wishes at profit to himself to provide these chattel slaves to the slave owners. With wage slavery the former would be slave owner still get this 'hit' of unpaid labor by simply paying significantly below the local labor costs to employ one of their own by importing someone typically not of their own, 'the immigrant'. The would be slave dealer is present in this process as before by arranging transportation, food, lodging, etc, for the 'wage slaves'. This is all done within the framework of a callous and utter disregard towards one's fellow man, both towards their own, and towards those broken and defeated people's preyed upon as a source of this stolen labor. By it's very nature, whereever you have slavery practiced, whether it be chattel or wage you typically have people rejecting their own for short term financial gain. There's no free lunch with slavery as due to its genocidal effects if allowed to go on long enough it will ultimately destroy any people where its become entrenched.

    I think if the idea is correct that they intend to enslave most everyone it would be through the wage slavery system, where most everyone will indeed be a rootless 'immigrant' and like a great many of the present day Chinese the person will be paid a dollar an hour or its equivalent to work at a factory or somesuch, and maybe allowed a broken down bike (very green!) and a hovel to live in communally with others. The sjw's, having embraced or having failed to succesfully resist the multicult conditioning, by their rhetoric seem unknowingly and unwittingly quite ready with great joy to embrace such a future and act as though they would quite happily enforce this nightmare as modern day Red Guards, at the behest of their corporate masters.

    Anyhow, if you can’t get enough of the wage slaves to come to you, you go directly to the slaves.

    The below was published in The Spectator of London in 1850, about a year before the London Times editorial regarding the textile magnate/US ambassador Abbott Lawrence posted in this same thread. It outlines plans to move US manufacturing plants (ie textile mills) to Ireland. Note the context of these plans, an Ireland quite unhappily married to the British Empire and experiencing famine to boot. This same type of predation is exactly the same thing that goes on today when US corporations not wanting to pay twenty dollars an hour to workers here find they can pay a crushed by communism Chinese work force one dollar an hour there. Also note how the article openly speaks of the ‘cheap labor’ in slave terms referring to it as ‘this British substitute for slave labour’. This was at a time that chattel slavery was still practiced in the world and the general public from personal observation had a lot better understanding of its mechanics and the dynamics that drive it.

    In the primordial days of the multicult during the mid 19th century they were a lot more open and plain spoken about these things in the media.

    this encouragement of low wages, this British substitute for “slave-labour”


    The Spectator - 1850

    AMERICAN FACTORIES IN IRELAND

    A Protectionist Nemesis is prophesied in the form of the most singular invasion ever threatened. to Great Britain—an invasion of American manufacturers, who are to set up factories in the West of Ireland, to compete with the factories of Laneashire, and to secure a larger consumption of American cotton…But were it practicable and true, how is it that we find a Protectionist advocating the wholesale invasion of foreign enterprise, this competition with ” native industry,” this encouragement of low wages, this British substitute for ” slave-labour”? The oblivion of principles is as striking a part of the dream as any.
     

    http://archive.spectator.co.uk/article/22nd-june-1850/15/american-factories-in-ireland
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  9. Malla says:
    @Singh
    as they did the vile Hindu practice of Sati in India.

    Yes because 1 in 50,000 widows became millions annually & by all accounts the British were interested in selling the widows into prostitution.

    http://indiafacts.org/missionaries-sati-colonial-india/
    http://indiafacts.org/sati-atrocity-narrative-civilizing-mission/
    http://indiafacts.org/sati-historical-evidence/

    Genociding pagans & helping muslim. White people are fine but it's too bad so many are christian like this duffer.

    We need an abrahamic genocide Liberalism is also abrahamic।।

    http://mosmaiorum.org/persecution_list.html

    We must appropriate whatever good belongs to the Pagan it was said in On Christian Doctrine Book II

    So now your 'social gospel' leads to your daughters being appropriated.

    You tried to steal our Aryan heritage now your continent is invaded by those with skin burnt darker than any Dravidian।।

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾ।।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ।।

    Genociding pagans & helping muslim.

    Yeah that explains the destruction of Tipu’s kingdom by the Brits, the same Tipu who for no reason attacked Hindu kingdoms in Kerala. That explains that after the creation of British India, Afghan invasions into India stopped completely.
    It also explains why the evil White Christian Brits attempted to return the gates of Somnath Temple back from Afghanistan, which were looted by the Muslim Afghans.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somnath_temple

    In 1782-83 AD, Maratha king Mahadaji Shinde, victoriously brought back three silver gates from Lahore after defeating Mahmud Shah Abdati, to Somnath. After refusal from priests of Gujarat and the then ruler Gaekwad to put them back on Somnath temple, these silver gates were placed in the temples of Ujjain. Today they can be seen in two temples of India, Mahakaleshwar Jyotirlinga and Gopal Mandir of Ujjain.[33][34][35] In 1842, Edward Law, 1st Earl of Ellenborough issued his the Proclamation of the Gates, in which he ordered the British army in Afghanistan to return via Ghazni and bring back to India the sandalwood gates from the tomb of Mahmud of Ghazni in Ghazni, Afghanistan. These were believed to have been taken by Mahmud from Somnath. There was a debate in the House of Commons in London in 1843 on the question of the gates of the temple.[36][37] After much crossfire between the British Government and the opposition, the gates were uprooted and brought back in triumph. But on arrival, they were found to be replicas of the original.[34] They were placed in a store-room in the Agra Fort where they still lie to the present day.[38][39]

    Also explains why the Evil White Christian Brits wanted to preserve as much as Indian culture.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sanskrit_College_and_University

    Sanskrit College and University (erstwhile Sanskrit College) is a specialized state-government administered Liberal Arts University offering an undergraduate degree in Sanskrit language, Pali language, Linguistics and ancient Indian and world history.[1][2] It is one of the affiliated colleges of the University of Calcutta. Founded on 1 January 1824, Sanskrit College, is one of the oldest educational institutions in the subcontinent.[3] It is a traditional college that specializes in the scholarship of Indian tradition, philosophy and religion. It is located on College Street in central Kolkata. Its centrality is heightened by its proximity to Hindu School, Presidency College, Kolkata, the University of Calcutta, and the Indian Coffee House. It was established during the Governor-Generalship of Lord Amherst, based on a recommendation by HT James Prinsep and Thomas Babington Macaulay among others. The great Indian Hindu thinker from Bengal Iswarchandra Vidyasagr came from this college.

    Also explains why many evil White Christians supported and influenced South Indian Carnatic classical music.
    from

    https://indianraga.wordpress.com/2007/10/25/british-raj-and-indian-classical-music/

    British Raj & Indian Classical Music
    When you think of Carnatic music, you think of temples, music which has retained its pristine purity over the ages and something strongly South Indian. But Carnatic music like all Indian art forms has been open to various cultural influences from all over the country and across the seas. Strange as it may sound, the British Raj and its bands have left a firm imprint on this most traditional music form. Muthuswami Dikshitar and Thyagaraja, two of the most revered composers of Carnatic music, were certainly influenced by the strange tunes from the British.
    Perhaps the earliest innovation was the violin. This very Western instrument became part of the Carnatic music tradition when the family of composer Ramaswami Dikshitar moved from Tiruvarur to Madras in the 1790s. The five-year stay exposed brothers Muthuswami and Baluswami Dikshitars to the ‘airs’ that were being played by the Fort St George orchestra.
    Baluswami Dikshitar learnt to play the violin from an Englishman and introduced it to the Carnatic concert platform. Muthuswami Dikshitar composed around fifty verses in Sanskrit, based on the orchestra’s music. The most famous among these is ‘Santatam Pahi Mam Sangita Shyamale’ which is set to the same tune as ‘God Save The King’! Muthuswami Dikshitar’s contemporary, Thyagaraja, composed ‘Raminsuvar Evarura’ in the Raga Suposhini, which was clearly inspired by music that accompanies march pasts.
    His ‘Vara Lila Gana Lola’ in Raga Sankarabharanam, is also completely based on Western band tunes. Thyagaraja used words that had come into Telugu from English in some of his compositions. The usage of the word Landaru (from Lantern) in the kriti ‘Emi Jesite Nemi’ (Raga Todi) and Shalu (from Shawl) in the kriti ‘Jutamurare’ (Raga Arabhi) are examples.
    The British were not immune to the beauty of Carnatic music. We have instances of singers such as Maha Vaidyanatha Sivan being appreciated by British officials. The antics and contortions of Sivagangai Periya Vaithi, are said to have scared at least one British Mem into hysterics.
    Gopalakrishna Bharat’s Nandan Charitram moved a French official of Karaikkal to such an extent that he funded the first publication of the work. The Madras Jubilee Gayan Samaj opened its office in 1883 and among its patrons were such senior officials as Sir Charles Turner, Col McLeod and Gen S Chamier.
    Programmes featuring Carnatic music were held at the Pachiappa’s Hall in George Town, Madras and many Englishmen attended these events. Patnam Subramanya Iyer, the composer who lived in Madras for 12 years, thereby acquiring the prefix Patnam (city), created the Raga Kathanakutoohalam, which can easily pass off as a melody in Western Music. His song ‘Raghuvamsa Sudha’ in this Raga is a favourite among instrumentalists, specially when they are performing to an International audience.
    At the turn of the century, the Harikatha movement (story telling with music) was at its peak. Innovations were happening in this genre. Exponents such as Harikesanallur L Muthiah Bhagavatar and Tirupazhanam Panchapakesa Sastriar were in the fore front. A popular item in their repertoire was the description of Rama’s marriage to Sita. During their discourse they let their imagination run riot and even described a ‘band’ that belted out music during the wedding procession. The ever popular ‘English Note’ was created for this.
    The Imperial Durbar of 1911 marked the zenith of the British Raj. The visit certainly influenced classical music. Gauhar Jan of Calcutta and Janki Bai of Allahabad performed a mujra for King George V, and for their song ‘Yeh Hai Tajposhi Ka Jalsa Mubarak Ho Mubarak Ho’ they were given a gift of 100 guineas. M Lakshmana Suri of Madras, father of Judge and musicologist T L Venkatarama Iyer and uncle to Harikesanallur L Muthaiah Bhagavatar, composed a set of 100 verses in Sanskrit on the King. It was titled ‘George Deva Shatakam’. He was awarded the title of Mahamahopadhyaya for the effort.
    The Muthialpet Sabha of George Town, Madras, announced a competition among composers for coming up with a song on King George. The eminent vocalist and composer Ramanathapuram ‘Poochi’ Srinivasa Iyengar was awarded the gold medal for his kriti ‘Satatamu Brovumayya Chakravartini’ in Raga Todi. A mangalam (benediction) too was composed. It goes ‘Jayatu Jayatu Sarvabhauma George Nama, Sundari Mary Ragni Sahita Vijayi Bhava’.
    It must have been very pleasant for Queen Mary to be called a beauty. Sadly the composer is not known. In the mid-thirties, Chittoor V Nagaiah released a 78 rpm recording of a Javali, that began with the words ‘O my lovely Lalana’. The song is a delightful mix of Telugu and English. Much closer to Independence, Ariyakkudi Ramanuja Iyengar had the occasion to perform before an English collector. In order to impress him, Iyengar began with the English note. The man was not happy. ‘‘When will you sing ‘Entaro Mahanubhavulu’?’’ he asked. Carnatic music had come full circle.
    The influence has not vanished with the end of the British Raj. During the Rishabha Vahanam procession at the Kapaleeswarar temple in Mylapore, it is customary for the bearers of the idol to dance to the tune of a band during the last lap of the event. The tunes played are the English note and… hold your breath, ‘For He’s a Jolly Good Fellow’! But then that is quite a good description of the Lord.

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  10. Malla says:
    @Singh
    as they did the vile Hindu practice of Sati in India.

    Yes because 1 in 50,000 widows became millions annually & by all accounts the British were interested in selling the widows into prostitution.

    http://indiafacts.org/missionaries-sati-colonial-india/
    http://indiafacts.org/sati-atrocity-narrative-civilizing-mission/
    http://indiafacts.org/sati-historical-evidence/

    Genociding pagans & helping muslim. White people are fine but it's too bad so many are christian like this duffer.

    We need an abrahamic genocide Liberalism is also abrahamic।।

    http://mosmaiorum.org/persecution_list.html

    We must appropriate whatever good belongs to the Pagan it was said in On Christian Doctrine Book II

    So now your 'social gospel' leads to your daughters being appropriated.

    You tried to steal our Aryan heritage now your continent is invaded by those with skin burnt darker than any Dravidian।।

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾ।।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ।।

    Typical Hinduwadi spin based on nonsense blaming everything on evul missionaries.

    Check this out

    In 1812 Raja Ram Mohan Roy, founder of Brahmo Samaj, began to champion the cause of banning sati practice. He was motivated by the experience of seeing his own sister-in-law being forced to commit sati.[111] He visited Kolkata’s cremation grounds to persuade widows against immolation, formed watch groups to do the same, sought the support of other elite Bengali classes, and wrote and disseminated articles to show that it was not required by Hindu scripture.[111] He was at loggerheads with Hindu groups which did not want the Government to interfere in religious practices.[12]

    From 1815-1818 Sati deaths doubled. Ram Mohan Roy launched an attack on Sati that “aroused such anger that for awhile his life was in danger”[112] In 1821 he published a tract opposing Sati, and in 1823 the Serampore missionaries led by Carey published a book containing their earlier essays, of which the first three chapters opposed Sati. Another Christian missionary published a tract against Sati in 1927.

    Sahajanand Swami, the founder of the Swaminarayan sect, preached against the practice of sati in his area of influence, that is Gujarat. He argued that the practice had no Vedic standing and only God could take a life he had given. He also opined that widows could lead lives that would eventually lead to salvation. Sir John Malcolm, the Governor of Bombay supported Sahajanand Swami in this endeavor.[113]

    So tell me, Raja Ram Mohan Roy & Sahajnand Swami were Christian missionaries? LOL.

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  11. Malla says:
    @Singh
    as they did the vile Hindu practice of Sati in India.

    Yes because 1 in 50,000 widows became millions annually & by all accounts the British were interested in selling the widows into prostitution.

    http://indiafacts.org/missionaries-sati-colonial-india/
    http://indiafacts.org/sati-atrocity-narrative-civilizing-mission/
    http://indiafacts.org/sati-historical-evidence/

    Genociding pagans & helping muslim. White people are fine but it's too bad so many are christian like this duffer.

    We need an abrahamic genocide Liberalism is also abrahamic।।

    http://mosmaiorum.org/persecution_list.html

    We must appropriate whatever good belongs to the Pagan it was said in On Christian Doctrine Book II

    So now your 'social gospel' leads to your daughters being appropriated.

    You tried to steal our Aryan heritage now your continent is invaded by those with skin burnt darker than any Dravidian।।

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾ।।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ।।

    That Hinduwadi idiot meenakshi jain claims that missionaries reported 10000 to 1000000 satis per year. There was nothing of the kind and if such were reported, they were nevr believed or accepted as official.

    A 1829 report by a Christian missionary organization includes among other things, statistics on sati. It begins with a declaration that “the object of all missions to the heathen is to substitute for these systems the Gospel of Christ”, thereafter lists sati for each year over the period 1815-1824 which totals 5,369, followed by a statement that a total of 5,997 instances of women were burned or buried alive in the Bengal presidency over the 10-year period, i.e., average 600 per year. In the same report, it states that the Madras and Bombay presidencies totaled 635 instances of sati over the same ten-year period.[168] The 1829 missionary report does not provide its sources and acknowledges that “no correct idea can be formed of the number of murders occasioned by suttees”, then states some of the statistics is based on “conjectures”.[168] According to Yang, these “numbers are fraught with problems”.[169]

    William Bentinck, in a 1829 report, stated without specifying the year or period, that “of the 463 satis occurring in the whole of the Presidency of Fort William,[note 6] 420 took place in Bengal, Behar, and Orissa, or what is termed the Lower Provinces, and of these latter 287 in the Calcutta Division alone”. For the Upper Provinces, Bentinck added, “in these Provinces the satis amount to forty three only upon a population of nearly twenty millions”, i.e., average one sati per 465,000.

    Where did Meenakshi jain make up such wild numbers of 10000 per year or 100000 per year I do not know. It is more likely she made up such wild numbers in typical Hinduwadi fashion, not missionaries. Even if it were only 10 girls a year forcefully commiting Sati or just 1 girl a year, it is vile and it is good it was banned. Remember these were not cases of jauhar, when there was a invading Islamic army standing at the gates but at peacetime. Jauhar one can understand (as some Muslim barbarian would rape and enslave the women), but in peacetimes there is no need for something so vile to be forced on any woman. Thank God for those kind missionaries, Mr. Ram Mohan Roy, Sajanand Swami, Lord William Bentinck etc… for ending this vile practice.

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  12. Malla says:
    @Singh
    as they did the vile Hindu practice of Sati in India.

    Yes because 1 in 50,000 widows became millions annually & by all accounts the British were interested in selling the widows into prostitution.

    http://indiafacts.org/missionaries-sati-colonial-india/
    http://indiafacts.org/sati-atrocity-narrative-civilizing-mission/
    http://indiafacts.org/sati-historical-evidence/

    Genociding pagans & helping muslim. White people are fine but it's too bad so many are christian like this duffer.

    We need an abrahamic genocide Liberalism is also abrahamic।।

    http://mosmaiorum.org/persecution_list.html

    We must appropriate whatever good belongs to the Pagan it was said in On Christian Doctrine Book II

    So now your 'social gospel' leads to your daughters being appropriated.

    You tried to steal our Aryan heritage now your continent is invaded by those with skin burnt darker than any Dravidian।।

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾ।।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ।।

    And what about this?

    Following the outcry after the sati of Roop Kanwar, the Indian Government enacted the Rajasthan Sati Prevention Ordinance, 1987 on 1 October 1987 and later passed the Commission of Sati (Prevention) Act, 1987.

    The Commission of Sati (Prevention) Act, 1987 Part I, Section 2(c) defines sati as:

    The burning or burying alive of –

    (i) any widow along with the body of her deceased husband or any other relative or with any article, object or thing associated with the husband or such relative; or
    (ii) any woman along with the body of any of her relatives, irrespective of whether such burning or burying is claimed to be voluntary on the part of the widow or the women or otherwise.

    The Prevention of Sati Act makes it illegal to support, glorify or attempt to commit sati. Support of sati, including coercing or forcing someone to commit sati, can be punished by death sentence or life imprisonment, while glorifying sati is punishable with one to seven years in prison.

    Check out the THE COMMISSION OF SATI (PREVENTION) ACT, 1987

    http://www.wcd.nic.in/act/commission-sati-prevention-act-and-rules

    MINISTRY OF WOMEN & CHILD DEVELOPMENT | GOVERNMENT OF INDIA

    https://web.archive.org/web/20091025224737/http://nrcw.nic.in/shared/sublinkimages/13.htm

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12346744

    This document contains major provisions of India’s 1987 Rajasthan Sati (Prevention) Act. The Act seeks to prevent the voluntary or forced burning or burying alive of widows, an action known as “sati,” and to prohibit glorification of this action through the observance of any ceremony, the participation in any procession, the creation of a financial trust, the construction of a temple, or any actions to commemorate or honor the memory of a widow who committed sati. Attempts to commit sati may be punished by imprisonment for 1-5 years and a fine. Directly or indirectly abetting the commission of sati is punishable by death or life imprisonment and a fine. Abetting attempts to commit sati may result in a fine and life imprisonment. Abetment is defined as inducing a widow to commit sati, making a widow believe that performance of sati will result in a spiritual benefit for her or her deceased husband or her family, obstructing police officers attempting to prevent sati, preventing a widow from saving herself, or being present at any place where sati is committed as an active participation to such commission or to any attendant ceremony. Glorification of sati can be punished by imprisonment for 1-7 years and a fine. The Act empowers Collectors and District Magistrates to take specific actions, which include removing temples or other structures constructed to glorify sati and appropriating funds collected to glorify sati. The Act further creates special courts to try offenses and places the burden of proof of innocence upon the accused.


    Read the above act properly. This was passed by the Government of Independent India in 1987. Iz da government of India a evul missionary? Why did the Indian government have to pass such an act if the whole Sati thing is a myth? The Indian Government has a lot of things on it’s hands to waste time by creating unwanted legislation.

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    Hello ricebag,

    Sikh general Hari Singh Nalua stopped Afghan invasions. Same with Somnath,

    Glorify Sati as in end goal is to destroy Sati Mandir।।

    Yes Indian state is christian that's why it offers scholarship to religious minority।।

    We're going to restore Sati & BharatVarsha Monarchy, there's nothing you can do about it, this is Hukam of Guru Gobind Singh।।

    Anything against your white christian savior narrative is Hinduvta propaganda even from a Sikh separatist lol।।

    British benevolence towards muslims is well known culminating in their disproportionate entry into army & police post ww1 and creation of Pakistan।।

    Christian also did support Pakistan & were immediately genocided after its creation lol.
    http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/threads/british-support-for-pakistan-partition-of-india.74768/

    Even the Vedas criticize Sati & the selling of widows in Bengal is well known. It's to be noted that Sati went down in areas freed of Muslim control that's why it was strong in Bengal.

    Anyway, it's our practice our custom our country।।Uncouth British wanted to defile our sacred land with their presence, now their own Pakistani creation is destroying them genetically।।


    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾ।।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ।।

    , @forgottenpseudonym
    Thank you, Malla. It was often the very same campaigners against the west African slave trade who also campaigned against suttee/sati, their inspiration being the so called Clapham sect.
    , @Alden
    I remember thexSati of Roop Kanwar. The motivation was not religious. The priests and the family wanted to set up a shrine and develop a lucrative tourist/ pilgrimage trade.

    All governments have problems. But India has the additional problem of stamping out the revival of Sati.
    , @Alden
    Sati was always about money. That’s why the Indian government criminalized any and all profiteering and attempts to profit from Sati
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  13. Singh says:
    @Malla
    And what about this?

    Following the outcry after the sati of Roop Kanwar, the Indian Government enacted the Rajasthan Sati Prevention Ordinance, 1987 on 1 October 1987 and later passed the Commission of Sati (Prevention) Act, 1987.

    The Commission of Sati (Prevention) Act, 1987 Part I, Section 2(c) defines sati as:

    The burning or burying alive of –

    (i) any widow along with the body of her deceased husband or any other relative or with any article, object or thing associated with the husband or such relative; or
    (ii) any woman along with the body of any of her relatives, irrespective of whether such burning or burying is claimed to be voluntary on the part of the widow or the women or otherwise.

    The Prevention of Sati Act makes it illegal to support, glorify or attempt to commit sati. Support of sati, including coercing or forcing someone to commit sati, can be punished by death sentence or life imprisonment, while glorifying sati is punishable with one to seven years in prison.

    Check out the THE COMMISSION OF SATI (PREVENTION) ACT, 1987
    http://www.wcd.nic.in/act/commission-sati-prevention-act-and-rules
    MINISTRY OF WOMEN & CHILD DEVELOPMENT | GOVERNMENT OF INDIA
    https://web.archive.org/web/20091025224737/http://nrcw.nic.in/shared/sublinkimages/13.htm

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12346744

    This document contains major provisions of India's 1987 Rajasthan Sati (Prevention) Act. The Act seeks to prevent the voluntary or forced burning or burying alive of widows, an action known as "sati," and to prohibit glorification of this action through the observance of any ceremony, the participation in any procession, the creation of a financial trust, the construction of a temple, or any actions to commemorate or honor the memory of a widow who committed sati. Attempts to commit sati may be punished by imprisonment for 1-5 years and a fine. Directly or indirectly abetting the commission of sati is punishable by death or life imprisonment and a fine. Abetting attempts to commit sati may result in a fine and life imprisonment. Abetment is defined as inducing a widow to commit sati, making a widow believe that performance of sati will result in a spiritual benefit for her or her deceased husband or her family, obstructing police officers attempting to prevent sati, preventing a widow from saving herself, or being present at any place where sati is committed as an active participation to such commission or to any attendant ceremony. Glorification of sati can be punished by imprisonment for 1-7 years and a fine. The Act empowers Collectors and District Magistrates to take specific actions, which include removing temples or other structures constructed to glorify sati and appropriating funds collected to glorify sati. The Act further creates special courts to try offenses and places the burden of proof of innocence upon the accused.


    Read the above act properly. This was passed by the Government of Independent India in 1987. Iz da government of India a evul missionary? Why did the Indian government have to pass such an act if the whole Sati thing is a myth? The Indian Government has a lot of things on it's hands to waste time by creating unwanted legislation.

    Hello ricebag,

    Sikh general Hari Singh Nalua stopped Afghan invasions. Same with Somnath,

    Glorify Sati as in end goal is to destroy Sati Mandir।।

    Yes Indian state is christian that’s why it offers scholarship to religious minority।।

    We’re going to restore Sati & BharatVarsha Monarchy, there’s nothing you can do about it, this is Hukam of Guru Gobind Singh।।

    Anything against your white christian savior narrative is Hinduvta propaganda even from a Sikh separatist lol।।

    British benevolence towards muslims is well known culminating in their disproportionate entry into army & police post ww1 and creation of Pakistan।।

    Christian also did support Pakistan & were immediately genocided after its creation lol.

    http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/threads/british-support-for-pakistan-partition-of-india.74768/

    Even the Vedas criticize Sati & the selling of widows in Bengal is well known. It’s to be noted that Sati went down in areas freed of Muslim control that’s why it was strong in Bengal.

    Anyway, it’s our practice our custom our country।।Uncouth British wanted to defile our sacred land with their presence, now their own Pakistani creation is destroying them genetically।।

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾ।।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ।।

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    @Singh What is relationship between Khalistan and Bharat Varsha?
    , @Malla

    Hello ricebag,
     
    WTF is that supposed to mean? You seem to have some kind of hatred for South Indians and Eastern Indians. You called Sen a ricebag because he is Bengali (I guess). Would you call Subhash Chandra Bose a rice bag?

    Sikh general Hari Singh Nalua stopped Afghan invasions. Same with Somnath,
     
    Yes, he did and may God bless his soul for this but no Indian power could give a permanent solution to continuous Afghan invasions from time to time into India. I hope you remember the battle of Panipat where the mighty Hindu Maratha Army was totally destroyed by the Afghan invaders. It is only the coming of united British India that Afghan intrusions into the Indian heartland stopped for good.

    Glorify Sati as in end goal is to destroy Sati Mandir।।
     
    Wow, the British wanted to destroy the temple of Goddess Sati. Why only Goddess Sati, why not all Shiva temples, Krishna temples? Why only target Goddess Sati. Goddess Sati is a form of Goddess Parvati who is the wife of God Shiva. Goddess Durga herself is another form of Goddess Parvati, yet the British patronized Durga festivals in Bengal? Why the discrimination on only Goddess Sati and desire to destroy Sati Temple?

    https://scroll.in/article/763617/how-the-british-victory-at-plassey-created-the-modern-durga-pujo
    How the British victory at Plassey created the modern Durga Pujo

    Robert Clive of the British East India Company after his victory at the Battle of Plassey in 1757, desired to offer his benedictions to the Lord. However, Nawab Siraj ud-Daulah the earlier ruler of Bengal had destroyed the only Anglican Church in the city of Calcutta. Taking advantage of the situation, King Raja Nabakrishna Deb, a prominent family in Bengal, turned Clive’s attention towards Durga Puja, and arranged for a grand celebration at his Shobhabazar Mansion. Robert Clive attended the massive worship ceremony of Goddess Durga and thus was created a tradition of British Governors of Bengal to patronize and visit Durga festivals every year.

    http://blog.railyatri.in/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/History-of-Puja.png

    Check out the picture, Evil White Christian guests at a Durga worship festival.


    Yes Indian state is christian
     
    This is for the world to see, the psychopathy of Hindu fundamentalists. To make up tales and non sense to support their unsupportable positions. Why don't you claim that the Pope or the Archbishop of Canterbury is the Emperor of Independent India behind the scenes, while you are at it?

    We’re going to restore Sati & BharatVarsha Monarchy, there’s nothing you can do about it।।
     
    Please do it. Do it fast, you have my 100% support. We Indians deserve Hinduwadi rule. I am a upper caste Hindu what do I care, I have nothing to lose.

    British benevolence towards muslims is well known culminating in their disproportionate entry into army & police post ww1 and creation of Pakistan
     
    That is because, the Punjab has always been one of the biggest providers of troops to the British Indian Army and more than half of United Punjab were Muslims. Sikhs too had disproportionate entry into army & police of British Indian Empire. Gurkhas of Nepal too disproportionate entry into army & police of the British Raj though most Gurkhas are Hindu with some few Buddhists. The British realized that the more Caucasoid peoples living in the North Western parts of British India and more Mongoloid peoples living in the North Eastern parts of British India were more martial and braver in battle than the bulk of Indians living in Subcontinent and so recruited more soldiers and policemen from these parts. Bengalis and South Indian Brahmins were known for their intelligence and thus they were mostly recruited for office work in the British Raj bureaucracy.


    The British destroyed Muslim power in India forever dumbo, we Hindus got advantage because of this. Yes there was the mighty Hindu Maratha Empire, but the Empire was unstable with the Scindias and Holkars always at odds with the Peshwas at Poona. The Sikhs were the only other anti Muslim alternative force but the Sikhs did not rule all of India but only North Western part of the subcontinent.

    , @Malla

    creation of Pakistan. Christian also did support Pakistan & were immediately genocided after its creation lol.

    http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/threads/british-support-for-pakistan-partition-of-india.74768/
     
    This is an old myths propagated by Indian nationalists. It is the Muslim league under Jinnah and Iqbal who wanted a separate Pakistan. They were afraid of the Indian National Congress dominated by upper caste Hindus like me and were afraid that we would take revenge on the Muslims for their 800 years of rule over us. Also Muslims would become a minority in a future Independent democratic India. So they wanted out. The British had nothing in it.

    The British wanted to leave an united India. Check out the debates in the British Parliament when the Indian Independence Bill was passed.
    From

    http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/commons/1947/jul/15/indian-independence-bill

    The President of the Board of Trade (Sir Stafford Cripps) said in the British parliament while discussing the INDIAN INDEPENDENCE BILL 15 July 1947
    We take this action, not because it is forced upon us by circumstances outside our control, but because it is consistent with all that we hold to be just and right. It is true, as many have remarked in the course of our discussions on the future of India, that we would far rather have passed a Bill setting up a single united government for India as a whole. That has not proved possible and it is not the sole fault of any of us, Indians or Englishmen, that it has not proved possible. It is the inevitable outcome of a long history of difficulties and of tensions, of lost opportunities and human failures of which we have all had our share. None of us can point our finger at others and say, “But for you, all would have been well.” I am perfectly conscious myself in the small part I have played in these matters, that by greater wisdom and understanding at particular moments I might have made a better contribution to a united India, but it is of no profit now to review the past. This Bill will launch us into a new and, let us hope, a happier era.
    I have always held and often stated that we should never achieve true and worthwhile co-operation with India until we could deal with one another upon the basis of absolute equality. It is that equality which this Bill will establish for the first time. It will thus create a basis for a far deeper and more significant friendship between the peoples of our two countries. Some have thought in the past that we could hold India in close association with ourselves on some basis of modified domination. That is not possible, and to believe it shows a profound misunderstanding of all that is inherent in the democratic principles which we have spread throughout the world from this country. I am convinced, therefore, that this Bill will do more to create a real and living friendship with India than any other action which this country has ever taken.
    A great deal has been said in the course of the Debates on this Bill on the subject of the Muslim and Hindu communities and the difficulties resulting from their inability to co-operate, but let us not forget that there are other important elements in India besides these two communities. To name two, there are the Sikhs and the Pathans. In some ways the position is far more difficult for these two communities than for the two major communities. It is not practicable, short of the complete Balkanisation of India, which I think no one desires, to give to every individual community the complete and undiluted rights of self-government which the two major communities attain through this Bill. But that fact does nothing to diminish our care or anxiety that the Sikhs and the Pathans should receive the fullest measure of recognition for their racial and cultural differences. 229Both these people have shown restraint in their most difficult situation and we hope and believe that those to whom, by this Bill, we are now remitting power in Pakistan and India will do their utmost to admit the reasonable claims of these two splendid peoples who have contributed so much to the life of India.

    Mr. R. A. Butler (M.P. from Saffron Walden) said in the same session of parliament
    It is always said that the most remarkable frontier affecting the British Commonwealth is that between the United States and Canada, where one can see no guard and where there are miles and miles of friendly contact. Those of us who know some of the difficulties and sorrows of the partitions that are taking place, and in particular those in the Punjab, will realise that it is too much to hope that there will be no unfriendly gestures, or no unfortunate skirmishing. But let us at least hope that, thanks to the Dominion relationship that will prevail between these two new Dominions, frontiers may be set up and observed which, in time, may be regarded as just as friendly as the famous frontier to which I have drawn the attention of the House. But we must remember that in the partition of the Punjab, which is the second partition, apart from the partition of India itself, we have left the Sikh community, to whom the right hon. and learned Gentleman made reference, almost exactly divided as between one side of the frontier and another.
    It is to be hoped that the boundary commission, on which the most serious responsibility will fall, will be able so to arrange the boundary that shrines and properties, and other things held dear to the Sikhs, may he amassed, as far as possible, in one area, provided that no violence is done to a proper division between Muslim and non-Muslim areas, in the same way, it is hoped that the partition of Bengal will so take place that the industrial welfare of the Eastern portion may not be prejudiced, and that access may be had to the sea through the port of Calcutta in some satisfactory manner.
    I cannot help feeling, although the partition of India appears violently necessary at the present time, that as history develops, certain contacts must be made between the two portions of India which have been divided, and that the conception of a greater whole will arise.
    I looked over many of the documents and papers which we had to study in the course of the preparation of the 1935 Act, those relating to communications, to railways, and, in particular, to the provision of water in one section of India to the other. Very often a water supply to the villages it has to serve may be divided by the frontier. In the question of finance, in all of these aspects some nexus will be necessary, and how that is to be invented is at present beyond the wit of man. Immediate arrangements have to be made before the appointed day. There is a violent hurry, and it is quite clear to any who have studied this matter scientifically at all that many of these great questions are left unsolved at the present time, and for some time in the future. I trust, therefore, that the relationship between the Governors-General and the Ministers of the various Governments may be friendly, and that matters to be decided, may be taken to the Arbitral Tribunal, which was mentioned yesterday in the course of our deliberations. I should like the Government to consider in another place whether the Arbitral Tribunal cannot be brought more into the picture, and whether they have given their final decision as to its inclusion in the Bill.
    , @Malla

    Even the Vedas criticize Sati
     
    Yes what you write is true, the Vedas do criticize Sati but strangely Sati makes a reappearance in India. And why would the Vedas criticize Sati if it did not even exist around? It had to exist to be criticized.

    It’s to be noted that Sati went down in areas freed of Muslim control that’s why it was strong in Bengal.
     
    I am not so sure, but if this is true, blame the Muslims , don't blame the Christians.

    Uncouth British wanted to defile our sacred land with their presence
     
    Wow, talk about racism!!!! The brown racism variety. May the world see this. If a White person in Australia would say something similar that 'Uncouth Indians want to defile our happy land with their presence', you will be the first to scream out 'racist, racist'. Wow, hypocrisy.

    Listen Hinduism has it's positive and negative sides. Christianity too has it's positive and negative side and this is true for all other religions. No religion is perfect in my view. It is best to take the positives and leave out the negatives as much as possible
    , @Malla
    And what Mr. Singhji do you say about this????

    http://egyankosh.ac.in/bitstream/123456789/20647/1/Unit-12.pdf

    British rule had brought to an end the tyranny and chaos of the regime of the last Peshwa in Maharashtra. The colonial rulers had not only established law and order but also the principle of equality before law. The earlier regime of Brahmin Peshwas had imposed strict limitations on education, occupation arid living standards of the lower castes and women. The new rulers opened the 1 opportunities in education and mobility in occupation for the members of all castes. Missionary schools and government colleges were ready to admit any student irrespective of caste origins. New ideas of equality and liberty could reach the moderately educated sections of the lower caste. Phule was probably the best product of this process. High caste reformers and leaders also had welcomed the colonial rule. It is not surprising that Phule who was concerned with the slavery of the lower castes also favoured British Rule He hoped that the new government which believes in equality between man and man would emancipate lower castes, from the domination of the Brahmins.
    The British rule opened up new employment opportunities in the administration. The political power at local level was also being given to the Indians. Phule who had worked as a member of the Poona Municipality could visualise how lower castes wouid be able to acquire power at local level during the period of British rule and also enter the colonial bureaucracy. He believed in Colonialism, Cast Order and the Tribal Societies the benevolent attitude of the British rulers towards the lower castes and therefore asked for a number of things from them. He was not sure how long the British rule would continue. Therefore, he wanted lower castes to exploit the opportunity and get rid of the tyranny of Brahmins. Brahmin rulers used to collect huge wealth out of taxes levied on poor lower castes population, but never used to spend even a paisa (penny, cent) for their welfare. On the contrary, the new regime was showing the signs of doing good things for the deprived people. Phule assured the colonial rulers that if the Shudras were made happy and contented, they need not worry about the loyalty of the subjects. He wanted the British government to abolish Brahmin Kulkarni’s position, and a post of village headman (Patil) filled on the basis of merit. In fact, Phule would have liked the British government to put an end to the balutedary system which was connected with caste specific occupations in the villages. He asked the government to make laws prohibiting customs and practices which gave subordinate status to women and untouchables. Phule wanted Brahmin bureaucracy to be replaced by non-Brahmin bureaucracy. But if the non-Brahmins were not available, the government should appoint, he thought, the British men to these posts. He believed that the British officers would take impartial view and were likely to side with lower castes.
    He knew that education had not yet percolated to the lower castes. The masses had not yet become politically conscious. The high caste elites were claiming that they were the true representatives of the people and therefore weie demanding political rights. This process, Phule thought, would reestablish the political supremacy of the high castes. Phule advised his followers from the lower castes not to participate the-movement for political rights. He argued that
    the Indian National Congress or other political associations were not national in the true sense of the term because they represented only high castes. Phule warned his followers against the selfish and cunning motives of the Brahmins in forming these associations and advised them to keep themselves away from such associations. In his Satya Shodhak Samaj, he had made it a rule not to discuss politics. In fact, we find that he had expressed more than once a complete and total loyalty towards the new government. He firmly believed that the almighty God had dethroned the tyrannical rulers and had established in their place a just, enlightened and peaceful British rule for the welfare of the masses.
    , @Alden
    What’s a rice bag? What do you have against rice? Is it something like the rice vs noodle cooking of China carried to insane extremes?
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  14. @Singh
    Hello ricebag,

    Sikh general Hari Singh Nalua stopped Afghan invasions. Same with Somnath,

    Glorify Sati as in end goal is to destroy Sati Mandir।।

    Yes Indian state is christian that's why it offers scholarship to religious minority।।

    We're going to restore Sati & BharatVarsha Monarchy, there's nothing you can do about it, this is Hukam of Guru Gobind Singh।।

    Anything against your white christian savior narrative is Hinduvta propaganda even from a Sikh separatist lol।।

    British benevolence towards muslims is well known culminating in their disproportionate entry into army & police post ww1 and creation of Pakistan।।

    Christian also did support Pakistan & were immediately genocided after its creation lol.
    http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/threads/british-support-for-pakistan-partition-of-india.74768/

    Even the Vedas criticize Sati & the selling of widows in Bengal is well known. It's to be noted that Sati went down in areas freed of Muslim control that's why it was strong in Bengal.

    Anyway, it's our practice our custom our country।।Uncouth British wanted to defile our sacred land with their presence, now their own Pakistani creation is destroying them genetically।।


    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾ।।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ।।

    What is relationship between Khalistan and Bharat Varsha?

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    Hey jack Sen , you forgot to include the letter that the British used to show to the Africans captured from the homes before shipping them to Liver-poll and then to East Coast of USA. That letter was the original Magna Carta with Jesus on the top , Bible on the bottom.

    Please show the picture again. There is a lot of slavery going on in post invasion Syria Yemen and Iraq and it might open the business in Iran .

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  16. Malla says:
    @Singh
    Hello ricebag,

    Sikh general Hari Singh Nalua stopped Afghan invasions. Same with Somnath,

    Glorify Sati as in end goal is to destroy Sati Mandir।।

    Yes Indian state is christian that's why it offers scholarship to religious minority।।

    We're going to restore Sati & BharatVarsha Monarchy, there's nothing you can do about it, this is Hukam of Guru Gobind Singh।।

    Anything against your white christian savior narrative is Hinduvta propaganda even from a Sikh separatist lol।।

    British benevolence towards muslims is well known culminating in their disproportionate entry into army & police post ww1 and creation of Pakistan।।

    Christian also did support Pakistan & were immediately genocided after its creation lol.
    http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/threads/british-support-for-pakistan-partition-of-india.74768/

    Even the Vedas criticize Sati & the selling of widows in Bengal is well known. It's to be noted that Sati went down in areas freed of Muslim control that's why it was strong in Bengal.

    Anyway, it's our practice our custom our country।।Uncouth British wanted to defile our sacred land with their presence, now their own Pakistani creation is destroying them genetically।।


    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾ।।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ।।

    Hello ricebag,

    WTF is that supposed to mean? You seem to have some kind of hatred for South Indians and Eastern Indians. You called Sen a ricebag because he is Bengali (I guess). Would you call Subhash Chandra Bose a rice bag?

    Sikh general Hari Singh Nalua stopped Afghan invasions. Same with Somnath,

    Yes, he did and may God bless his soul for this but no Indian power could give a permanent solution to continuous Afghan invasions from time to time into India. I hope you remember the battle of Panipat where the mighty Hindu Maratha Army was totally destroyed by the Afghan invaders. It is only the coming of united British India that Afghan intrusions into the Indian heartland stopped for good.

    Glorify Sati as in end goal is to destroy Sati Mandir।।

    Wow, the British wanted to destroy the temple of Goddess Sati. Why only Goddess Sati, why not all Shiva temples, Krishna temples? Why only target Goddess Sati. Goddess Sati is a form of Goddess Parvati who is the wife of God Shiva. Goddess Durga herself is another form of Goddess Parvati, yet the British patronized Durga festivals in Bengal? Why the discrimination on only Goddess Sati and desire to destroy Sati Temple?

    https://scroll.in/article/763617/how-the-british-victory-at-plassey-created-the-modern-durga-pujo

    How the British victory at Plassey created the modern Durga Pujo

    Robert Clive of the British East India Company after his victory at the Battle of Plassey in 1757, desired to offer his benedictions to the Lord. However, Nawab Siraj ud-Daulah the earlier ruler of Bengal had destroyed the only Anglican Church in the city of Calcutta. Taking advantage of the situation, King Raja Nabakrishna Deb, a prominent family in Bengal, turned Clive’s attention towards Durga Puja, and arranged for a grand celebration at his Shobhabazar Mansion. Robert Clive attended the massive worship ceremony of Goddess Durga and thus was created a tradition of British Governors of Bengal to patronize and visit Durga festivals every year.

    Check out the picture, Evil White Christian guests at a Durga worship festival.

    Yes Indian state is christian

    This is for the world to see, the psychopathy of Hindu fundamentalists. To make up tales and non sense to support their unsupportable positions. Why don’t you claim that the Pope or the Archbishop of Canterbury is the Emperor of Independent India behind the scenes, while you are at it?

    We’re going to restore Sati & BharatVarsha Monarchy, there’s nothing you can do about it।।

    Please do it. Do it fast, you have my 100% support. We Indians deserve Hinduwadi rule. I am a upper caste Hindu what do I care, I have nothing to lose.

    British benevolence towards muslims is well known culminating in their disproportionate entry into army & police post ww1 and creation of Pakistan

    That is because, the Punjab has always been one of the biggest providers of troops to the British Indian Army and more than half of United Punjab were Muslims. Sikhs too had disproportionate entry into army & police of British Indian Empire. Gurkhas of Nepal too disproportionate entry into army & police of the British Raj though most Gurkhas are Hindu with some few Buddhists. The British realized that the more Caucasoid peoples living in the North Western parts of British India and more Mongoloid peoples living in the North Eastern parts of British India were more martial and braver in battle than the bulk of Indians living in Subcontinent and so recruited more soldiers and policemen from these parts. Bengalis and South Indian Brahmins were known for their intelligence and thus they were mostly recruited for office work in the British Raj bureaucracy.


    The British destroyed Muslim power in India forever dumbo, we Hindus got advantage because of this. Yes there was the mighty Hindu Maratha Empire, but the Empire was unstable with the Scindias and Holkars always at odds with the Peshwas at Poona. The Sikhs were the only other anti Muslim alternative force but the Sikhs did not rule all of India but only North Western part of the subcontinent.

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  17. Malla says:
    @Singh
    Hello ricebag,

    Sikh general Hari Singh Nalua stopped Afghan invasions. Same with Somnath,

    Glorify Sati as in end goal is to destroy Sati Mandir।।

    Yes Indian state is christian that's why it offers scholarship to religious minority।।

    We're going to restore Sati & BharatVarsha Monarchy, there's nothing you can do about it, this is Hukam of Guru Gobind Singh।।

    Anything against your white christian savior narrative is Hinduvta propaganda even from a Sikh separatist lol।।

    British benevolence towards muslims is well known culminating in their disproportionate entry into army & police post ww1 and creation of Pakistan।।

    Christian also did support Pakistan & were immediately genocided after its creation lol.
    http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/threads/british-support-for-pakistan-partition-of-india.74768/

    Even the Vedas criticize Sati & the selling of widows in Bengal is well known. It's to be noted that Sati went down in areas freed of Muslim control that's why it was strong in Bengal.

    Anyway, it's our practice our custom our country।।Uncouth British wanted to defile our sacred land with their presence, now their own Pakistani creation is destroying them genetically।।


    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾ।।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ।।

    creation of Pakistan. Christian also did support Pakistan & were immediately genocided after its creation lol.

    http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/threads/british-support-for-pakistan-partition-of-india.74768/

    This is an old myths propagated by Indian nationalists. It is the Muslim league under Jinnah and Iqbal who wanted a separate Pakistan. They were afraid of the Indian National Congress dominated by upper caste Hindus like me and were afraid that we would take revenge on the Muslims for their 800 years of rule over us. Also Muslims would become a minority in a future Independent democratic India. So they wanted out. The British had nothing in it.

    The British wanted to leave an united India. Check out the debates in the British Parliament when the Indian Independence Bill was passed.
    From

    http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/commons/1947/jul/15/indian-independence-bill

    The President of the Board of Trade (Sir Stafford Cripps) said in the British parliament while discussing the INDIAN INDEPENDENCE BILL 15 July 1947
    We take this action, not because it is forced upon us by circumstances outside our control, but because it is consistent with all that we hold to be just and right. It is true, as many have remarked in the course of our discussions on the future of India, that we would far rather have passed a Bill setting up a single united government for India as a whole. That has not proved possible and it is not the sole fault of any of us, Indians or Englishmen, that it has not proved possible. It is the inevitable outcome of a long history of difficulties and of tensions, of lost opportunities and human failures of which we have all had our share. None of us can point our finger at others and say, “But for you, all would have been well.” I am perfectly conscious myself in the small part I have played in these matters, that by greater wisdom and understanding at particular moments I might have made a better contribution to a united India, but it is of no profit now to review the past. This Bill will launch us into a new and, let us hope, a happier era.
    I have always held and often stated that we should never achieve true and worthwhile co-operation with India until we could deal with one another upon the basis of absolute equality. It is that equality which this Bill will establish for the first time. It will thus create a basis for a far deeper and more significant friendship between the peoples of our two countries. Some have thought in the past that we could hold India in close association with ourselves on some basis of modified domination. That is not possible, and to believe it shows a profound misunderstanding of all that is inherent in the democratic principles which we have spread throughout the world from this country. I am convinced, therefore, that this Bill will do more to create a real and living friendship with India than any other action which this country has ever taken.
    A great deal has been said in the course of the Debates on this Bill on the subject of the Muslim and Hindu communities and the difficulties resulting from their inability to co-operate, but let us not forget that there are other important elements in India besides these two communities. To name two, there are the Sikhs and the Pathans. In some ways the position is far more difficult for these two communities than for the two major communities. It is not practicable, short of the complete Balkanisation of India, which I think no one desires, to give to every individual community the complete and undiluted rights of self-government which the two major communities attain through this Bill. But that fact does nothing to diminish our care or anxiety that the Sikhs and the Pathans should receive the fullest measure of recognition for their racial and cultural differences. 229Both these people have shown restraint in their most difficult situation and we hope and believe that those to whom, by this Bill, we are now remitting power in Pakistan and India will do their utmost to admit the reasonable claims of these two splendid peoples who have contributed so much to the life of India.

    Mr. R. A. Butler (M.P. from Saffron Walden) said in the same session of parliament
    It is always said that the most remarkable frontier affecting the British Commonwealth is that between the United States and Canada, where one can see no guard and where there are miles and miles of friendly contact. Those of us who know some of the difficulties and sorrows of the partitions that are taking place, and in particular those in the Punjab, will realise that it is too much to hope that there will be no unfriendly gestures, or no unfortunate skirmishing. But let us at least hope that, thanks to the Dominion relationship that will prevail between these two new Dominions, frontiers may be set up and observed which, in time, may be regarded as just as friendly as the famous frontier to which I have drawn the attention of the House. But we must remember that in the partition of the Punjab, which is the second partition, apart from the partition of India itself, we have left the Sikh community, to whom the right hon. and learned Gentleman made reference, almost exactly divided as between one side of the frontier and another.
    It is to be hoped that the boundary commission, on which the most serious responsibility will fall, will be able so to arrange the boundary that shrines and properties, and other things held dear to the Sikhs, may he amassed, as far as possible, in one area, provided that no violence is done to a proper division between Muslim and non-Muslim areas, in the same way, it is hoped that the partition of Bengal will so take place that the industrial welfare of the Eastern portion may not be prejudiced, and that access may be had to the sea through the port of Calcutta in some satisfactory manner.
    I cannot help feeling, although the partition of India appears violently necessary at the present time, that as history develops, certain contacts must be made between the two portions of India which have been divided, and that the conception of a greater whole will arise.
    I looked over many of the documents and papers which we had to study in the course of the preparation of the 1935 Act, those relating to communications, to railways, and, in particular, to the provision of water in one section of India to the other. Very often a water supply to the villages it has to serve may be divided by the frontier. In the question of finance, in all of these aspects some nexus will be necessary, and how that is to be invented is at present beyond the wit of man. Immediate arrangements have to be made before the appointed day. There is a violent hurry, and it is quite clear to any who have studied this matter scientifically at all that many of these great questions are left unsolved at the present time, and for some time in the future. I trust, therefore, that the relationship between the Governors-General and the Ministers of the various Governments may be friendly, and that matters to be decided, may be taken to the Arbitral Tribunal, which was mentioned yesterday in the course of our deliberations. I should like the Government to consider in another place whether the Arbitral Tribunal cannot be brought more into the picture, and whether they have given their final decision as to its inclusion in the Bill.

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  18. Malla says:
    @Singh
    Hello ricebag,

    Sikh general Hari Singh Nalua stopped Afghan invasions. Same with Somnath,

    Glorify Sati as in end goal is to destroy Sati Mandir।।

    Yes Indian state is christian that's why it offers scholarship to religious minority।।

    We're going to restore Sati & BharatVarsha Monarchy, there's nothing you can do about it, this is Hukam of Guru Gobind Singh।।

    Anything against your white christian savior narrative is Hinduvta propaganda even from a Sikh separatist lol।।

    British benevolence towards muslims is well known culminating in their disproportionate entry into army & police post ww1 and creation of Pakistan।।

    Christian also did support Pakistan & were immediately genocided after its creation lol.
    http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/threads/british-support-for-pakistan-partition-of-india.74768/

    Even the Vedas criticize Sati & the selling of widows in Bengal is well known. It's to be noted that Sati went down in areas freed of Muslim control that's why it was strong in Bengal.

    Anyway, it's our practice our custom our country।।Uncouth British wanted to defile our sacred land with their presence, now their own Pakistani creation is destroying them genetically।।


    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾ।।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ।।

    Even the Vedas criticize Sati

    Yes what you write is true, the Vedas do criticize Sati but strangely Sati makes a reappearance in India. And why would the Vedas criticize Sati if it did not even exist around? It had to exist to be criticized.

    It’s to be noted that Sati went down in areas freed of Muslim control that’s why it was strong in Bengal.

    I am not so sure, but if this is true, blame the Muslims , don’t blame the Christians.

    Uncouth British wanted to defile our sacred land with their presence

    Wow, talk about racism!!!! The brown racism variety. May the world see this. If a White person in Australia would say something similar that ‘Uncouth Indians want to defile our happy land with their presence’, you will be the first to scream out ‘racist, racist’. Wow, hypocrisy.

    Listen Hinduism has it’s positive and negative sides. Christianity too has it’s positive and negative side and this is true for all other religions. No religion is perfect in my view. It is best to take the positives and leave out the negatives as much as possible

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  19. Malla says:
    @Singh
    Hello ricebag,

    Sikh general Hari Singh Nalua stopped Afghan invasions. Same with Somnath,

    Glorify Sati as in end goal is to destroy Sati Mandir।।

    Yes Indian state is christian that's why it offers scholarship to religious minority।।

    We're going to restore Sati & BharatVarsha Monarchy, there's nothing you can do about it, this is Hukam of Guru Gobind Singh।।

    Anything against your white christian savior narrative is Hinduvta propaganda even from a Sikh separatist lol।।

    British benevolence towards muslims is well known culminating in their disproportionate entry into army & police post ww1 and creation of Pakistan।।

    Christian also did support Pakistan & were immediately genocided after its creation lol.
    http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/threads/british-support-for-pakistan-partition-of-india.74768/

    Even the Vedas criticize Sati & the selling of widows in Bengal is well known. It's to be noted that Sati went down in areas freed of Muslim control that's why it was strong in Bengal.

    Anyway, it's our practice our custom our country।।Uncouth British wanted to defile our sacred land with their presence, now their own Pakistani creation is destroying them genetically।।


    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾ।।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ।।

    And what Mr. Singhji do you say about this????

    http://egyankosh.ac.in/bitstream/123456789/20647/1/Unit-12.pdf

    British rule had brought to an end the tyranny and chaos of the regime of the last Peshwa in Maharashtra. The colonial rulers had not only established law and order but also the principle of equality before law. The earlier regime of Brahmin Peshwas had imposed strict limitations on education, occupation arid living standards of the lower castes and women. The new rulers opened the 1 opportunities in education and mobility in occupation for the members of all castes. Missionary schools and government colleges were ready to admit any student irrespective of caste origins. New ideas of equality and liberty could reach the moderately educated sections of the lower caste. Phule was probably the best product of this process. High caste reformers and leaders also had welcomed the colonial rule. It is not surprising that Phule who was concerned with the slavery of the lower castes also favoured British Rule He hoped that the new government which believes in equality between man and man would emancipate lower castes, from the domination of the Brahmins.
    The British rule opened up new employment opportunities in the administration. The political power at local level was also being given to the Indians. Phule who had worked as a member of the Poona Municipality could visualise how lower castes wouid be able to acquire power at local level during the period of British rule and also enter the colonial bureaucracy. He believed in Colonialism, Cast Order and the Tribal Societies the benevolent attitude of the British rulers towards the lower castes and therefore asked for a number of things from them. He was not sure how long the British rule would continue. Therefore, he wanted lower castes to exploit the opportunity and get rid of the tyranny of Brahmins. Brahmin rulers used to collect huge wealth out of taxes levied on poor lower castes population, but never used to spend even a paisa (penny, cent) for their welfare. On the contrary, the new regime was showing the signs of doing good things for the deprived people. Phule assured the colonial rulers that if the Shudras were made happy and contented, they need not worry about the loyalty of the subjects. He wanted the British government to abolish Brahmin Kulkarni’s position, and a post of village headman (Patil) filled on the basis of merit. In fact, Phule would have liked the British government to put an end to the balutedary system which was connected with caste specific occupations in the villages. He asked the government to make laws prohibiting customs and practices which gave subordinate status to women and untouchables. Phule wanted Brahmin bureaucracy to be replaced by non-Brahmin bureaucracy. But if the non-Brahmins were not available, the government should appoint, he thought, the British men to these posts. He believed that the British officers would take impartial view and were likely to side with lower castes.
    He knew that education had not yet percolated to the lower castes. The masses had not yet become politically conscious. The high caste elites were claiming that they were the true representatives of the people and therefore weie demanding political rights. This process, Phule thought, would reestablish the political supremacy of the high castes. Phule advised his followers from the lower castes not to participate the-movement for political rights. He argued that
    the Indian National Congress or other political associations were not national in the true sense of the term because they represented only high castes. Phule warned his followers against the selfish and cunning motives of the Brahmins in forming these associations and advised them to keep themselves away from such associations. In his Satya Shodhak Samaj, he had made it a rule not to discuss politics. In fact, we find that he had expressed more than once a complete and total loyalty towards the new government. He firmly believed that the almighty God had dethroned the tyrannical rulers and had established in their place a just, enlightened and peaceful British rule for the welfare of the masses.

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    Phule was a convert & his hatred of Brahmins is the same as the abrahamic hatred of any Pagan priesthood https://t.co/BjnY4iVk1i?amp=1

    "The Pedagogy of Shalom: Theory and Contemporary Issues of a Faith-based Education"
    edited by HeeKap Lee, Paul Kaak

    https://t.co/KaM6gUSvzv?amp=1

    Jesus is King Bali according to Phule
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  20. Singh says:
    @Malla

    Even the Vedas criticize Sati
     
    Yes what you write is true, the Vedas do criticize Sati but strangely Sati makes a reappearance in India. And why would the Vedas criticize Sati if it did not even exist around? It had to exist to be criticized.

    It’s to be noted that Sati went down in areas freed of Muslim control that’s why it was strong in Bengal.
     
    I am not so sure, but if this is true, blame the Muslims , don't blame the Christians.

    Uncouth British wanted to defile our sacred land with their presence
     
    Wow, talk about racism!!!! The brown racism variety. May the world see this. If a White person in Australia would say something similar that 'Uncouth Indians want to defile our happy land with their presence', you will be the first to scream out 'racist, racist'. Wow, hypocrisy.

    Listen Hinduism has it's positive and negative sides. Christianity too has it's positive and negative side and this is true for all other religions. No religion is perfect in my view. It is best to take the positives and leave out the negatives as much as possible

    [Comments that consist of content-free ranting, with poor grammar and punctuation are unlikely to be published, and perhaps the commenter would be happier at some other website.]

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  21. Glad to see you’re back, Mr Sen, even if you seem to have been forced to reside in the United States. Someone of your talent and honesty will be sorely missed in Britain.
    I am glad that Mr Unz has agreed to accommodate you and your archive. Good on him.

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  22. Randal says:
    @Da Wei
    Jack Sen,

    Thank you for this inciteful, cogent article, as well as the revealing illustrations. Your writing is ripe with substance and intelligent in delivery. The picture of the Detroit Mark Twain Library is simply bewildering, so congratulations on its rhetorical impact here.

    Here is my brief and somewhat mixed addendum:
    Bridging from 19th Century to 20th is Albert Schweitzer (Doctor of Medicine, of Music [pipe organ], of Philosophy, of Theology [Quest of the Historical Jesus]) and his medical clinic, Lambaranie, in Africa.

    Second, in the era preceding blistering war between Vietnam and the US was Tom Dooley and his free medical clinics in Laos and inspiring books about his humanistic journey.

    Third, the Colonial American slave trade involved a good many ships owned by Jews, indicating their involvement in profitable human trafficking back then, yet mention of this comes most vocally from Louis Farakhan, a technically good preacher, but not a Christian.

    Fourth I pose as an inquiry. Has serious investigation taken place linking the "Pedophile Island" in the West Indies -- including the well known tour guide and his jet liner and high profile tourists -- with the current condition of sex trafficking in Israel? I suspect not, if only because of Bibi's ability to silence investigation as "anti-semetic" and the cooperation of our lackey politicians jumping to their feet applauding him. Still, I have to ask the question. Maybe there's no connection, but is anybody asking?

    I mention these four points because your intelligent article stimulates the mind and spirit, not because it is incomplete in any way.

    If there were a Kipling Award for Fighting the Good Fight, I'd nominate you for it.

    this inciteful, cogent article

    Did you mean inciteful, or insightful?

    Either way, it seems a fair description of the piece (I would regard inciting in this context as a compliment, being inspiration to action in a necessary and worthy cause). I don’t agree with all of it, but then again it isn’t my piece, and its heart is certainly in the right place.

    Good stuff, Mr Sen.

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    Randal, thanks. You’re right about the misspelled word. I really meant insightful.
    Many articles here I find inciteful, but this one just set me to thinking.
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  23. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Is this the same half white half poo in loo exposed here? https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t1160208/

    The author is a pathetic confused race troll. It seems he’s liked by neither Indians nor Whites.

    The dangers of race mixing

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  24. Da Wei says:
    @Da Wei
    Jack Sen,

    Thank you for this inciteful, cogent article, as well as the revealing illustrations. Your writing is ripe with substance and intelligent in delivery. The picture of the Detroit Mark Twain Library is simply bewildering, so congratulations on its rhetorical impact here.

    Here is my brief and somewhat mixed addendum:
    Bridging from 19th Century to 20th is Albert Schweitzer (Doctor of Medicine, of Music [pipe organ], of Philosophy, of Theology [Quest of the Historical Jesus]) and his medical clinic, Lambaranie, in Africa.

    Second, in the era preceding blistering war between Vietnam and the US was Tom Dooley and his free medical clinics in Laos and inspiring books about his humanistic journey.

    Third, the Colonial American slave trade involved a good many ships owned by Jews, indicating their involvement in profitable human trafficking back then, yet mention of this comes most vocally from Louis Farakhan, a technically good preacher, but not a Christian.

    Fourth I pose as an inquiry. Has serious investigation taken place linking the "Pedophile Island" in the West Indies -- including the well known tour guide and his jet liner and high profile tourists -- with the current condition of sex trafficking in Israel? I suspect not, if only because of Bibi's ability to silence investigation as "anti-semetic" and the cooperation of our lackey politicians jumping to their feet applauding him. Still, I have to ask the question. Maybe there's no connection, but is anybody asking?

    I mention these four points because your intelligent article stimulates the mind and spirit, not because it is incomplete in any way.

    If there were a Kipling Award for Fighting the Good Fight, I'd nominate you for it.

    Randal, thanks. You’re right about the misspelled word. I really meant insightful.
    Many articles here I find inciteful, but this one just set me to thinking.

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  25. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Malla
    And what Mr. Singhji do you say about this????

    http://egyankosh.ac.in/bitstream/123456789/20647/1/Unit-12.pdf

    British rule had brought to an end the tyranny and chaos of the regime of the last Peshwa in Maharashtra. The colonial rulers had not only established law and order but also the principle of equality before law. The earlier regime of Brahmin Peshwas had imposed strict limitations on education, occupation arid living standards of the lower castes and women. The new rulers opened the 1 opportunities in education and mobility in occupation for the members of all castes. Missionary schools and government colleges were ready to admit any student irrespective of caste origins. New ideas of equality and liberty could reach the moderately educated sections of the lower caste. Phule was probably the best product of this process. High caste reformers and leaders also had welcomed the colonial rule. It is not surprising that Phule who was concerned with the slavery of the lower castes also favoured British Rule He hoped that the new government which believes in equality between man and man would emancipate lower castes, from the domination of the Brahmins.
    The British rule opened up new employment opportunities in the administration. The political power at local level was also being given to the Indians. Phule who had worked as a member of the Poona Municipality could visualise how lower castes wouid be able to acquire power at local level during the period of British rule and also enter the colonial bureaucracy. He believed in Colonialism, Cast Order and the Tribal Societies the benevolent attitude of the British rulers towards the lower castes and therefore asked for a number of things from them. He was not sure how long the British rule would continue. Therefore, he wanted lower castes to exploit the opportunity and get rid of the tyranny of Brahmins. Brahmin rulers used to collect huge wealth out of taxes levied on poor lower castes population, but never used to spend even a paisa (penny, cent) for their welfare. On the contrary, the new regime was showing the signs of doing good things for the deprived people. Phule assured the colonial rulers that if the Shudras were made happy and contented, they need not worry about the loyalty of the subjects. He wanted the British government to abolish Brahmin Kulkarni’s position, and a post of village headman (Patil) filled on the basis of merit. In fact, Phule would have liked the British government to put an end to the balutedary system which was connected with caste specific occupations in the villages. He asked the government to make laws prohibiting customs and practices which gave subordinate status to women and untouchables. Phule wanted Brahmin bureaucracy to be replaced by non-Brahmin bureaucracy. But if the non-Brahmins were not available, the government should appoint, he thought, the British men to these posts. He believed that the British officers would take impartial view and were likely to side with lower castes.
    He knew that education had not yet percolated to the lower castes. The masses had not yet become politically conscious. The high caste elites were claiming that they were the true representatives of the people and therefore weie demanding political rights. This process, Phule thought, would reestablish the political supremacy of the high castes. Phule advised his followers from the lower castes not to participate the-movement for political rights. He argued that
    the Indian National Congress or other political associations were not national in the true sense of the term because they represented only high castes. Phule warned his followers against the selfish and cunning motives of the Brahmins in forming these associations and advised them to keep themselves away from such associations. In his Satya Shodhak Samaj, he had made it a rule not to discuss politics. In fact, we find that he had expressed more than once a complete and total loyalty towards the new government. He firmly believed that the almighty God had dethroned the tyrannical rulers and had established in their place a just, enlightened and peaceful British rule for the welfare of the masses.

    Phule was a convert & his hatred of Brahmins is the same as the abrahamic hatred of any Pagan priesthood https://t.co/BjnY4iVk1i?amp=1

    “The Pedagogy of Shalom: Theory and Contemporary Issues of a Faith-based Education”
    edited by HeeKap Lee, Paul Kaak

    https://t.co/KaM6gUSvzv?amp=1

    Jesus is King Bali according to Phule

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    No wrong, Phule converted to escape from the brutal caste system in Hinduism. His hatred for Brahmins was because of centuries of abuse due to the caste system. Ambedkar did not convert to any Abrahamic faith and he was against the caste system too.

    I am not denying that the Abrahamic faiths did destroy a lot of pagan religions but that is a different matter.

    , @Malla

    Jesus is King Bali according to Phule.
     
    I do not see the connection, I do not know how he came to this conclusion. I need to do some research. As far as I know, Jesus worship was a continuation of Sun worship of Ancient Egypt, Persia (Aryan Mithra) and the Norse. Christmas is Norse Yule, a worship of the Sun at Winter solstice.
    The Dravidian Bali concept is connected to the Baal concept of the Middle East. The Dravidians have connections to the Middle East Semitic religions because of the links between Indus Valley civilization (Mehlua) and ancient Babylon.
    , @Malla
    Dr. Ambedkar wrote the Constitution of India.
    Dr. Ambedkar on Brahmins

    http://velivada.com/2017/08/06/brahmins-not-produced-voltaire-answered-babasaheb-ambedkar/

    From
    https://ambedkarquotes.wordpress.com/category/brahminism/

    Indeed the Brahmins were engaged in defending every wrong for the simple reason that they lived on them. They defended Untouchability which condemned millions to the lot of the helot. They defended caste, they defended female child marriage and they defended enforced widowhood—the two great props of the Caste system. They defended the burning of widows, and they defended the social system of graded inequality with its rule of hypergamy which led the Rajputs to kill in their thousands the daughters that were born to them. What shames ! What wrongs! Can such a society show its face before civilized nations ? Can such a society hope to survive ? Such were the questions which Ranade asked. He concluded that on only one condition it could be saved—namely, rigorous social reform.

    SECTION V, Ranade, Gandhi and Jinnah. Vol-I, Dr. Babasaheb Ambedkar Writing and Speeches


    Dr. Ambedkar never converted to Christianity or Islam or Judaism. He converted to Buddhism which is not an Abrahamic religion.


    More from Dr. Ambedkar

    “Muslim invaders only stirred the waters in the bath and that too only for a while. Thereafter they got tired of stirring and left the waters with the sediments to settle. They never threw the baby—if one can speak of the principles of Hinduism as a baby—out of the bath. Bramhanism in its conflict with Buddhism made a clean sweep. It emptied the bath with the Buddhist Baby in it and filled the bath with its own waters and placed in it its own baby. Bramhanism did not care to stop how filthy and dirty was its water as compared with the clean and fragrant water which flowed from the noble source of Buddhism. Bramhanism did not care to stop how hideous and ugly was its own baby as compared with the Buddhist baby. Bramhanism acquired by its invasions political power to annihilate Buddhism and it did annihilate.”

    CHAPTER-7- THE Triumph of Brahminism, part-III. Revolution and Counter-Revolution in Ancient India, Volume-III. Dr. Ambedkar Writing and Speeches

    , @Malla
    This is the whole interview

    "It is very unfortunate that traditional Indian Christian theology has completely ignored Ambedkar while reflecting on the Christian faith in the Indian context. This is because most of these theologians have been of ‘ upper’ caste origin. So, instead of taking inspiration from people of Dalit or Shudra background like Ambedkar and Mahatma Phule, they used the writings of ‘ upper’ caste writers and reformers like Raja Ram Mohan Roy or Keshub Chandra Sen or Gandhi in order to develop a contextual Indian theology. This is so despite the fact that Ambedkar wrote extensively on the Christian faith and church history and their relationship with the Dalits. Similar is the case with Mahatma Phule. In his Gulamgiri ( Slavery’) Phule develops a very interesting concept of Christology, the person of Christ. He refers to the story of the non Aryan king Bali, whose kingdom was snatched by the Brahmin Vamana. Vamana goes on to rigidly enforce the law of caste, converting the natives into Untouchables and Shudras. Phule tells us that in rural Maharashtra the ordinary village folk still long for the return of the righteous rule of Raja Bali, and he identifies Jesus as Bali. He says that Jesus and his disciples, the Christians, have come to India to rescue the Dalits and Shudras from Aryan or Brahmin hegemony. All this has been ignored by ‘ upper’ caste Christian writers."
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  26. Malla says:
    @Anon
    Phule was a convert & his hatred of Brahmins is the same as the abrahamic hatred of any Pagan priesthood https://t.co/BjnY4iVk1i?amp=1

    "The Pedagogy of Shalom: Theory and Contemporary Issues of a Faith-based Education"
    edited by HeeKap Lee, Paul Kaak

    https://t.co/KaM6gUSvzv?amp=1

    Jesus is King Bali according to Phule

    No wrong, Phule converted to escape from the brutal caste system in Hinduism. His hatred for Brahmins was because of centuries of abuse due to the caste system. Ambedkar did not convert to any Abrahamic faith and he was against the caste system too.

    I am not denying that the Abrahamic faiths did destroy a lot of pagan religions but that is a different matter.

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  27. Malla says:
    @Anon
    Phule was a convert & his hatred of Brahmins is the same as the abrahamic hatred of any Pagan priesthood https://t.co/BjnY4iVk1i?amp=1

    "The Pedagogy of Shalom: Theory and Contemporary Issues of a Faith-based Education"
    edited by HeeKap Lee, Paul Kaak

    https://t.co/KaM6gUSvzv?amp=1

    Jesus is King Bali according to Phule

    Jesus is King Bali according to Phule.

    I do not see the connection, I do not know how he came to this conclusion. I need to do some research. As far as I know, Jesus worship was a continuation of Sun worship of Ancient Egypt, Persia (Aryan Mithra) and the Norse. Christmas is Norse Yule, a worship of the Sun at Winter solstice.
    The Dravidian Bali concept is connected to the Baal concept of the Middle East. The Dravidians have connections to the Middle East Semitic religions because of the links between Indus Valley civilization (Mehlua) and ancient Babylon.

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  28. Malla says:
    @Anon
    Phule was a convert & his hatred of Brahmins is the same as the abrahamic hatred of any Pagan priesthood https://t.co/BjnY4iVk1i?amp=1

    "The Pedagogy of Shalom: Theory and Contemporary Issues of a Faith-based Education"
    edited by HeeKap Lee, Paul Kaak

    https://t.co/KaM6gUSvzv?amp=1

    Jesus is King Bali according to Phule

    Dr. Ambedkar wrote the Constitution of India.
    Dr. Ambedkar on Brahmins

    http://velivada.com/2017/08/06/brahmins-not-produced-voltaire-answered-babasaheb-ambedkar/

    From

    https://ambedkarquotes.wordpress.com/category/brahminism/

    Indeed the Brahmins were engaged in defending every wrong for the simple reason that they lived on them. They defended Untouchability which condemned millions to the lot of the helot. They defended caste, they defended female child marriage and they defended enforced widowhood—the two great props of the Caste system. They defended the burning of widows, and they defended the social system of graded inequality with its rule of hypergamy which led the Rajputs to kill in their thousands the daughters that were born to them. What shames ! What wrongs! Can such a society show its face before civilized nations ? Can such a society hope to survive ? Such were the questions which Ranade asked. He concluded that on only one condition it could be saved—namely, rigorous social reform.

    SECTION V, Ranade, Gandhi and Jinnah. Vol-I, Dr. Babasaheb Ambedkar Writing and Speeches

    Dr. Ambedkar never converted to Christianity or Islam or Judaism. He converted to Buddhism which is not an Abrahamic religion.

    More from Dr. Ambedkar

    “Muslim invaders only stirred the waters in the bath and that too only for a while. Thereafter they got tired of stirring and left the waters with the sediments to settle. They never threw the baby—if one can speak of the principles of Hinduism as a baby—out of the bath. Bramhanism in its conflict with Buddhism made a clean sweep. It emptied the bath with the Buddhist Baby in it and filled the bath with its own waters and placed in it its own baby. Bramhanism did not care to stop how filthy and dirty was its water as compared with the clean and fragrant water which flowed from the noble source of Buddhism. Bramhanism did not care to stop how hideous and ugly was its own baby as compared with the Buddhist baby. Bramhanism acquired by its invasions political power to annihilate Buddhism and it did annihilate.”

    CHAPTER-7- THE Triumph of Brahminism, part-III. Revolution and Counter-Revolution in Ancient India, Volume-III. Dr. Ambedkar Writing and Speeches

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  29. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Untouchability is not found historically in Hinduism. Rajputs had marital alliances with Bhils, Iklavya’s family did as well.

    Sage Valmiki Was Reformed from being outcaste.

    Nyara Sutra as Mahabharat is knowledge of a butcher.

    The Pandavs went Sri Krishna Ji himself to welcome a Shudra family.

    Many of the Dalits are actually from upper caste individuals who were made outcaste by muslims.

    An example is the policy of forcing Ksytrias to carry the waste of muslims on their head. The punishment for this in Manusmriti is banishment of both who do this.

    Same Manusmriti says it is law to give land to one who tills it. Nothing in feudalism which came with islam

    Untouchability is recent phenomenon sometimes say after 15th C AD widespread. Likely came with Khiljis

    Why don’t you read of their brutality? Like how tughlaq moved the capital many times and anyone not able to keep up was killed.

    It’s a fact that the largest genocide in history is the Hindu genocide in the muslim invasions. The british policy of creating famine where rebellious tendencies existed & then sending in missionaries to split the society is well known.

    A curious paradox is many converts are from the upper castes. This is true in Islam in the famous Madras famine half the Dalits of the city starved not one converted.

    Certainly there were Brahmin collaborators but much of the vitriol against them is written by and for those ignorant of Hindu civilization.

    Example they talk of Brahmin wealth when a good Brahmin is one who begs. In compiling a list of oppressed castes in the Delhi Punjab area Guru Gobind Singh Ji famously included Brahmins there.

    It’s a fact that majority of the students in Takshila & Nalanda university were Shudra. If you read Fa Hien, Chinese Traveler and Megasthenes, Selucid Diplomat, accounts of India you will change your tune.

    Both said the Indian common man is the most prosperous and care free in the world. What changed after was incessant incursion by Turks.

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    Our Rishis recognized the inherent inequality of man, even Dasam Guru Granth Sahib Ji says Varna comes from Akal Purakh.

    https://www.counter-currents.com/2017/06/the-genetic-limits-of-social-mobility/

    http://www.socialmatter.net/2016/12/16/a-brief-defense-of-the-hereditarian-caste-system/

    http://thefutureprimaeval.net/material-and-social-technologies/

    Even the Celts had Sati it’s an old Indo European tradition and existed where women had more value actually. In places where women had greater status and honor than say Greece/Rome (non existent) vs German/Norse & Celtic.

    You should read the stories of young widows both during British & Mughal times. One Widow in front of Akbar burnt her own arm to a crisp to protest her not being allowed to Sati & he had to relent।।

    In front of the Brits a young 16 year Widow of Bengal burnt her own finger off with a candle, the officer got out of the way, and she became Sati.

    Sati Mata Ki Jai!

    If you understand the mosaic distinction or the idea that all philosophy before us or outside our tradition is false, then you would have no kind words for Christianity, Islam, Judaism or Liberalism.

    They prevent the vertical transfer of knowledge

    https://devayasna.wordpress.com/2017/01/17/religion-counter-religion-and-the-weirdness-of-modernity

    http://thefutureprimaeval.net/a-short-argument-for-traditions/

    It is a Brahmin job to preserve tradition although there have been many reformers it is more so the Ksytria job to guide & reform society.

    Why do you not bring up the countless Brahmin freedom fighters & social reformers? Bhakti Saints.

    We are the only ones who can show our face to the world. A bunch of melech Abrahamics worshipping the destroyers of their ancestors have no say.

    Understand the difference between no salvation without Mohammad Christ vs All Paths lead to the same destination.

    https://vajrin.wordpress.com/2012/11/25/sarva-dharma-samabhava-an-astika-view/

    Read Sikh scripture Uggardanti Sahib

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6L9le5gF5bldUYyRnVwdXprQ1E/view?usp=drivesdk

    https://web.archive.org/web/20170404132933/https://www.manglacharan.com/manglacharan/2016/1/11/the-merit-of-being-of-warrior-from-dasam-and-sarbloh-granth

    https://www.manglacharan.com/home/praise-of-devi-dasam-granth

    https://www.manglacharan.com/home/sarbloh-avtar-s-updesh-to-indra

    https://www.manglacharan.com/home/the-reason-for-blue-bana-bansavalinama-1768

    Dadu, in contemplating the state of our Age of Darkness, if one hits you with a mud brick, ferociously strike back with a stone bolder.”

    https://www.manglacharan.com/home/forgiveness-or-force-by-guru-gobind-singh

    https://www.manglacharan.com/home/this-is-how-the-singhs-fought-gur-sobha-1711

    https://www.manglacharan.com/home/worshipping-weapons-passage-from-suraj-prakash

    https://www.manglacharan.com/home/ugardanthi-explanation-bansavalinama

    https://www.manglacharan.com/home/importance-of-the-kamarkasa

    https://www.manglacharan.com/home/form-of-sarbloh-avtar

    https://www.manglacharan.com/home/lineage-and-shastarvidiya

    https://www.manglacharan.com/home/dussherra-importance-in-sikhi

    It’s a fact that the west wants us to be a bastard race, like Filipinos & Latin Americans, who export women & their best abroad.

    It’s a fact that muslim want us as slaves & eunuchs in their haram.

    Start doing weightlifting like stronglifts.com or starting Strength we know due to demographics there will come civil war to India within 2 decades.

    It’s fact that not even west will give 20 lakh scholarship to abrahamic student for study like telangana does।।

    Guru Sahib has opened the path for Ksytria if you don’t take it you will be ever regretful.

    If you’re a Coward then we’re done here.

    The Devas of every people have long hair & Weapons।।

    Guru Sahib has spoken that consider a man with Hair but no weapons as half a man।।

    Your heart is in the right place, A China who can destroy the Hindu Buddhist kingdoms of Xinjiang & create Muslim Malaysia Indonesia, An Islam that can enslave Crores, A Christian world can genocide 2 entire continents but it’s the Brahmin who lives on alms who cannot show his face.

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾ।।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ।।

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    Racism castes-ism and discrimination is in your blood and religion. You cannot refute it. I have been following Indian news since a long time.
    Recently a riot took place in Poona, a cantonment town. The reason? 200 years ago an army of East India Company comprising largely of so called lower class defeated a Brahamin Indian army.
    The Dalits (underclass) celebrate this and this celebration led to riots. But whats interesting is the level of discrimination that was practiced then, Indians have a habit of spitting, the Brahimins made these Dalits wear pots around their necks so their spit did not pollute the road.
    , @Malla

    Rajputs had marital alliances with Bhils, Iklavya’s family did as well.
     
    Of course they would have. Rajputs are descendants from Scythians. If they had not married native darkwomen they would have looked like British people.

    Historical Evidence for the Scythic Origin of Rajputs
    http://rajputana.htmlplanet.com/scy_raj/scy_raj1.html

    And who were these Scythian whose descendants was Lord Buddha himself.

    From
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scythians

    Early physical analyses have unanimously concluded that the Scythians, even those in the east (e.g. the Pazyryk region), possessed predominantly "Europid" features, although mixed 'Euro-mongoloid" phenotypes also occur, depending on site and period.[116]

    In artworks, the Scythians are portrayed exhibiting European traits.[117] In Histories, the 5th-century Greek historian Herodotus describes the Budini of Scythia as red-haired and grey-eyed.[117] In the 5th century BC, Greek physician Hippocrates argued that the Scythians have purron (ruddy) skin.[117][118] In the 3rd century BC, the Greek poet Callimachus described the Arismapes (Arimaspi) of Scythia as fair-haired.[117][119] The 2nd century BC Han Chinese envoy Zhang Qian described the Sai (Scythians) as having yellow (probably meaning hazel or green), and blue eyes.[117] In Natural History, the 1st century AD Roman author Pliny the Elder characterises the Seres, sometimes identified as Iranians (Scythians) or Tocharians, as red-haired and blue-eyed.[117][120] In the late 2nd century AD, the Christian theologian Clement of Alexandria says that the Scythians are fair-haired.[117][121] The 2nd century Greek philosopher Polemon includes the Scythians among the northern peoples characterised by red hair and blue-grey eyes.[117] In the late 2nd or early 3rd century AD, the Greek physician Galen declares that Sarmatians, Scythians and other northern peoples have reddish hair.[117][122] The fourth-century Roman historian Ammianus Marcellinus wrote that the Alans, a people closely related to the Scythians, were tall, blond and light-eyed.[123] The 4th century bishop of Nyssa Gregory of Nyssa wrote that the Scythians were fair skinned and blond haired.[124] The 5th-century physician Adamantius, who often follow Polemon, describes the Scythians are fair-haired.[117][125]

    Do the Rajputs today look like Nordic Englishmen/Germans/Russians to you? Of course the Scythians married local dark women and became brown Caucasians like the warrior Rajputs.

    Lord Buddha himself came from an Indo Scythian royal family.
    http://thaimangoes.blogspot.in/2009/08/h9.html

    Lord Buddha had blue eyes.
    Look at the physical characteristics of the Mahapurusha (Great Man) Lord Buddha
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_characteristics_of_the_Buddha
    Characteristic 29: Eyes deep blue

    , @Malla

    Read Sikh scripture Uggardanti Sahib

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6L9le5gF5bldUYyRnVwdXprQ1E/view?usp=drivesdk

    https://web.archive.org/web/20170404132933/https://www.manglacharan.com/manglacharan/2016/1/11/the-merit-of-being-of-warrior-from-dasam-and-sarbloh-granth

    https://www.manglacharan.com/home/praise-of-devi-dasam-granth

    https://www.manglacharan.com/home/sarbloh-avtar-s-updesh-to-indra

    https://www.manglacharan.com/home/the-reason-for-blue-bana-bansavalinama-1768

    Dadu, in contemplating the state of our Age of Darkness, if one hits you with a mud brick, ferociously strike back with a stone bolder.”

    https://www.manglacharan.com/home/forgiveness-or-force-by-guru-gobind-singh

    https://www.manglacharan.com/home/this-is-how-the-singhs-fought-gur-sobha-1711

    https://www.manglacharan.com/home/worshipping-weapons-passage-from-suraj-prakash

    https://www.manglacharan.com/home/ugardanthi-explanation-bansavalinama

    https://www.manglacharan.com/home/importance-of-the-kamarkasa

    https://www.manglacharan.com/home/form-of-sarbloh-avtar

    https://www.manglacharan.com/home/lineage-and-shastarvidiya

    https://www.manglacharan.com/home/dussherra-importance-in-sikhi
     
    Thanks, very informative.
    , @Malla

    https://www.manglacharan.com/home/lineage-and-shastarvidiya
     
    Sikhism is seems it a bit different than Hinduism. It has many similarities with Hinduism and is close to Hinduism but is still a distinct religion.
    , @Malla

    It’s a fact that majority of the students in Takshila & Nalanda university were Shudra. If you read Fa Hien, Chinese Traveler and Megasthenes, Selucid Diplomat, accounts of India you will change your tune.
     
    Obviously many of the students at Nalanda and Takshila Universities were Shudras as both those universities were Buddhist and not Hindu. I did read Fa Hien and Megasthenes many times. However the problems in India started when the Brahmans for same strange reason started behaving like Jews and not Aryans, like the Aryan Brahmans and other upper castes of the earlier Vedic period who were noble (Did Jews from Babylon area come and interbreed with our Brahmins and merchant baniyas? Who knows). Buddhism brought about a short golden period in India only to be destroyed by Brahmins, Jewish style using cunning, deceit, lies and brutality. But unfortunately for the Brahmins, as soon as they were nearly finishing Buddhism off, the Islamic hordes barged into India and went on a killing, raping, looting spree until Mughal Emperors like Akbar stabilized the country into a working government. And then we have huge Hindus and Muslims and Sikhs armies killing each other, the country was a WWE championship of massive armies and wars, devastating the land and soon the Europeans (Portuguese, Dutch, French, Danes and the finally the British) joined in the mega war-fest party. And not to mention the periodic Afghan intrusions into India to loot and plunder it's immense riches in jewelry, gems and gold as well as to get slaves. But it was only after the British conquered the whole subcontinent that civilised rule really return for the masses after centuries.
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  30. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Sri Bharata Ji of Ramayan remarks that any who impede Sri Hanuman Ji in his journey to save Sri Lakshman Ji should have the curse which is placed on a man who does not pay his servant।।

    Find this parallel in any other culture, then we’ll talk।।

    It is the Guru’s Hukam to make Bharat strong & bring Dharma Raaj to the whole world as people are suffering without it।।

    This shall be done।। http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/History_of_Guru_Nanak%27s_travel_to_Mecca#Karni_Nama

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾ।।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ।।

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    Was that the journey to get the Himalayan herbs to save Lakshmana, when he passed near Shimla and rested at what is now Jakhoo Temple?

    I must say the Sikhs in India seem more peaceful than you do.

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  31. martin2 says:

    During the period that Britain ruled over India, from roughly 1800 to roughly 1950, the population of India increased from 180 million to 400 million. Whenever someone claims that the British presence was to the detriment of Indians ask them to explain that fact, and don’t let them change the subject.

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    Look at the economic growth during that period. It was stagnant for decades. The white population in Western countries is also increasing so how is multiculturalism or mass immigration to your detriment. Don't change the subject

    https://mobile.twitter.com/handle_anonymus/status/949203878444068864

    Britain made the church largest land owner in India & attacked Hindu education system. Helped Muslims in many places + still the West uses Ngos to engage in hegemonic discourse, forcing its notion of human rights & equality on rest of world।।

    O well, they're headed down toilet. http://sankrant.org/2005/12/the-conversion-war-and-religious-freedom/

    You should repent before Asipatravana

    https://mobile.twitter.com/handle_anonymus/status/940228648958771201

    , @anon
    According to evidence cited by the economic historians Immanuel Wallerstein, Irfan Habib, Percival Spear, and Ashok Desai, per-capita agricultural output and standards of consumption in 17th-century Mughal India was on-par with or higher than in 17th-century Europe and early 20th-century British India.[23]

    According to economic historian Prasannan Parthasarathi, earnings data from primary sources show that mid-late 18th-century real wages and living standards in Mughal Bengal (under the Nawabs of Bengal) and the South Indian Kingdom of Mysore (under Hyder Ali and Tipu Sultan) were higher than in Britain, which in turn had the highest living standards in Europe.[24][25] The economic historian Sashi Sivramkrishna estimates Mysore's average income in the late 18th century to be five times higher than subsistence level,[26] i.e. five times higher than $400 (1990 international dollars),[27] or $2,000 per capita. According to Parthasarathi, real wage decline occurred in the early 19th century, or possibly beginning in the very late 18th century, under British rule.[24][25]
    --
    So few centuries ago still almost double what it was only in 2007||

    You see, you think we're vindictitive, when we watch with horror what goes on in your country. You no longer have functioning marriages, control over your children or culture or border. Never in our worst nightmares do we wish this kind of vengeance on our enemies||

    We are simple people,

    https://web.archive.org/web/20170404132933/http://www.manglacharan.com/manglacharan/2016/1/11/the-merit-of-being-of-warrior-from-dasam-and-sarbloh-granth

    Seek not anyone else's feet but those of Hari, the Guru, and Dwija. That whose name is recited throughout the four ages, against Him by fighting and dying one is carried across||

    https://imgur.com/a/UpaX5

    As long as you remain Christian/Secular,

    "Secularism is the latest expression of the Christian religion" - Graeme Smith

    www.thedivineconspiracy.org/Z5227V.pdf

    You will never understand Aryan Blood or the Aryan Heartbeat||

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾ।।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਹਿ।।
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  32. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @martin2
    During the period that Britain ruled over India, from roughly 1800 to roughly 1950, the population of India increased from 180 million to 400 million. Whenever someone claims that the British presence was to the detriment of Indians ask them to explain that fact, and don't let them change the subject.

    Look at the economic growth during that period. It was stagnant for decades. The white population in Western countries is also increasing so how is multiculturalism or mass immigration to your detriment. Don’t change the subject

    https://mobile.twitter.com/handle_anonymus/status/949203878444068864

    Britain made the church largest land owner in India & attacked Hindu education system. Helped Muslims in many places + still the West uses Ngos to engage in hegemonic discourse, forcing its notion of human rights & equality on rest of world।।

    O well, they’re headed down toilet. http://sankrant.org/2005/12/the-conversion-war-and-religious-freedom/

    You should repent before Asipatravana

    https://mobile.twitter.com/handle_anonymus/status/940228648958771201

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    You are drowning in your own hubris you hindu supremacist. Why don't you read 'An era of Darknes' by Sashi Thraoor? Britain did all that you claim and more, but it did it for Britain.
    You want to be white, dying to be white, using bleaching creams to get white and all the while being the biggest racist, castiest in God's world.
    I don't give a shit about your Asipatravana and don't care what it means.
    And Nicky Haley thinks she's white by doing what she's doing?
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  33. Da Wei says:
    @Randal

    this inciteful, cogent article
     
    Did you mean inciteful, or insightful?

    Either way, it seems a fair description of the piece (I would regard inciting in this context as a compliment, being inspiration to action in a necessary and worthy cause). I don't agree with all of it, but then again it isn't my piece, and its heart is certainly in the right place.

    Good stuff, Mr Sen.

    Randal, thanks. You’re right about the misspelled word. I really meant insightful.
    Many articles here I find inciteful, but this one just set me to thinking.

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  34. To root for a just one section of humanity and disregard the rest is racism. You can call it what you like and you can feel free to abuse anyone.
    To really look at your adversary and talk is to be human. It will enrich you. It matters not if you are are black, white yellow or brown.

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    That's a bunch of liberal christian bs. Your monotheism is rooted in deny individual relations. You take one piece of the universe to declare as unrepentant truth & the rest as hellish lies.

    https://henadology.files.wordpress.com/2016/11/wp32-butler-pp3538-version-2.pdf

    Hellenic Panta-en-Pasin or Vedic Indra's Net demonstrate that each Jewel of the Univere is connected, it reflects into the other||

    However, those nearer to each other whether by blood relation or devotion, reflect strongly among themselves. The reflection is still there even in the farthest corner though.

    In contrast, your rooting for every section of humanity is for them to fall away from their ancestral tradition & adopt your desert thievery.

    You wish for the destruction of humanity, and call it well wishing.

    Pagans by the very nature of their Poly-Centric existence, acknowledge the connection of all life & humanity, you call it caste (a Portugeuse Christian word, denoting a system of blood purity) and discrminination||

    http://indiafacts.org/why-is-the-world-so-obsessed-with-indias-caste-system/

    To Christians, past sins are a matter for repentance vis-a-vis God, but ultimately only the normal course of things, since we’re all sinners. So they are not uptight about having sins on their record and won’t be blackmailed about this.

    http://indiafacts.org/caste-system-colonial-idea/

    End of day fact is that the multicultural or diverse society/world you claim to support is impossible with a monotheist belief structure||

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1WKZJUhHlD209oOqcT1faRv4rvzQyzTpQ/view?usp=sharing

    The end goal of these exclusivist faiths is a kingdom of Christ, a Dar al-Islam or a global government of human rights. Everything is done in the name of truth, and every action is one step closer to the goal. When temples are buried under churches, sacred groves cut (http://mosmaiorum.org/persecution_list.html) or rituals absorbed, “So that all these rites and cults that they practiced for the sake of the idols, they now came to practice in the honor of god” (Assman, 6), it is all in the name of progression along a finite linear time scale. Everyone must join this one group, and reject others for the sake of development and refinement. As Talom Rukbo and Andrew McGowan point out this oppositional, and societal fracturing attitude is a core part of the exclusivist ideology and its linear notion of time (Sanu, 2005) (McGowan, 2010).

    A linear notion of time develops in opposition to a falsehood, whose defeat becomes the core pretext for the existence of the ideology. It is only exclusivist ideologies who posit this notion of time because they are the only ones concerned with defeating other ideologies in a “conversion war”. Quintus Aurelius Symmachus of Rome said: “Everyone has his own customs, his own religious practices; the divine mind has assigned to different cities different religions to be their guardians”. Makau Mutua of Africa is careful to distinguish between human traditions and what he calls proselytizing Universalist faiths (Sanu, 2005). In the Rig Veda Book 1 Hymn Line 46 It is Stated “that which is One, sages give many a title” (Vyas, N.D.). We are well aware of the Dharmic concept of cyclical or infinite time, and also of adopting the Deities of others, a process Assman calls ‘translation’ (Assman, 1-4).

    A view of time as infinite or cyclical goes hand in hand with religious tolerance and multiculturalism. At the same time, believing time to be finite and linear is associated with trying to outdo and destroy others on a religious/cultural level. This linear notion of time leads to a marked separation between Us and Other. Assman calls this process Normative Inversion by which that which is false is made true, and that which is true is made false (Assman, 6). As Augustine mentioned, from a worldview in which anything but Jesus is false, anything which can be claimed from the “heathens” should be as they are in unlawful possession of it.

    A good example of the contrast between exclusive and inclusive ideology and their respective notions of time is found in Mithra-Jayanti. A festival to mark the winter solstice, dedicated to the Vedic Deva Mithra or Mithras, it was widely celebrated throughout the Roman Empire. Mithra is infinite in age as far as humans are concerned so it is unknown when this festival started nor when it will end.

    In contrast, when this date was appropriated by Christianity to celebrate the birth of Jesus it gained a beginning (birth) and an end (apocalypse) (Bharavi, 2015) (Ravi, 2016). Furthermore, its very existence is celebration of the genocide of the “false heathen”. A victory for the march towards salvation of all creation in Jesus Christ.

    That a number of different traditions could co-exist and celebrate festivals together in ancient Europe, while also having a non-linear view of time shows the relationship between infinite time and religious tolerance (McFarlane, 2004). The arrival of an exclusivist ideology with a linear notion of time destroyed this fabric. In other words, the people who previously believed time to be infinite, were converted to the view of it as linear. This was done as part of their larger conversion to a religiously intolerant exclusivism.

    https://docs.google.com/document/d/1SRJepvG5d9XZe7P-0wexqC9aPSjcTUfGztmB4ULddtk/edit?usp=sharing

    Monotheism is disproven by the fact that atoms transfer between all, all exist within one another at some level. Your entire notion of believer unbeliever is scientifically invalid. Egyptian Roman & Hindu Civilization used the same word Netji Dios/Deus or Deva to describe both their own pantheon & that of others. You can rant about Muh Racism & Liberty all you want, fact is you are the professor of a heresy which calls the Gods of others false|| There is nothing more to say unrepentant criminals like you who insult the Dios of everyone else can only be met & destroyed in battle.

    Your future African Arab army will not stand against Aryas.

    Reality is racist & "GOD" created it http://www.unz.com/jman/the-five-laws-of-behavioral-genetics/ digest that|| Youll just mutter that we must change or impprove it, you only understand violence.

    Ksytrias dole it out like Langar||

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾ।।
    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਹਿ।।
    , @Malla
    Check out this book

    RIDDLES IN HINDUISM
    http://www.satnami.com/riddles.pdf

    From the book

    The Hindu social system is undemocratic not by accident. It is designed to be
    undemocratic. Its division of society into varnas and castes, and of castes and outcastes
    are not theories but are decrees. They are all barricades raised against democracy.

    Also check out
    http://bapumraut.blogspot.in/2013/02/how-adi-shankara-destroyed-buddhism-and.html
    How Adi Shankara destroyed Buddhism and founded ‘Hinduism’ in the 8th century

    and

    http://cricketvoice.com/cricketforum2/index.php?topic=10455.0
    HINDU VIOLENCE AGAINST BUDDHISM IN INDIA HAS NO PARALLEL

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  35. @Anon
    Look at the economic growth during that period. It was stagnant for decades. The white population in Western countries is also increasing so how is multiculturalism or mass immigration to your detriment. Don't change the subject

    https://mobile.twitter.com/handle_anonymus/status/949203878444068864

    Britain made the church largest land owner in India & attacked Hindu education system. Helped Muslims in many places + still the West uses Ngos to engage in hegemonic discourse, forcing its notion of human rights & equality on rest of world।।

    O well, they're headed down toilet. http://sankrant.org/2005/12/the-conversion-war-and-religious-freedom/

    You should repent before Asipatravana

    https://mobile.twitter.com/handle_anonymus/status/940228648958771201

    You are drowning in your own hubris you hindu supremacist. Why don’t you read ‘An era of Darknes’ by Sashi Thraoor? Britain did all that you claim and more, but it did it for Britain.
    You want to be white, dying to be white, using bleaching creams to get white and all the while being the biggest racist, castiest in God’s world.
    I don’t give a shit about your Asipatravana and don’t care what it means.
    And Nicky Haley thinks she’s white by doing what she’s doing?

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    The jewish god runs the world? When behavioral genetics shows inequality is inherent you still preach & cuck about equality? Have fun being wiped out by mass african islamic migration.

    We're Punjabi Sikh neither light nor dark. Nikki Haley needs an honor killing & you can be left red with her।।
    , @Malla
    If you want to read any book about India during British Raj, this is essential reading.

    http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks03/0300811h.html

    Throw that book by Sashi Thraoor into the bin.
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  36. @Anon
    Untouchability is not found historically in Hinduism. Rajputs had marital alliances with Bhils, Iklavya's family did as well.

    Sage Valmiki Was Reformed from being outcaste.

    Nyara Sutra as Mahabharat is knowledge of a butcher.

    The Pandavs went Sri Krishna Ji himself to welcome a Shudra family.

    Many of the Dalits are actually from upper caste individuals who were made outcaste by muslims.

    An example is the policy of forcing Ksytrias to carry the waste of muslims on their head. The punishment for this in Manusmriti is banishment of both who do this.

    Same Manusmriti says it is law to give land to one who tills it. Nothing in feudalism which came with islam

    Untouchability is recent phenomenon sometimes say after 15th C AD widespread. Likely came with Khiljis

    Why don't you read of their brutality? Like how tughlaq moved the capital many times and anyone not able to keep up was killed.

    It's a fact that the largest genocide in history is the Hindu genocide in the muslim invasions. The british policy of creating famine where rebellious tendencies existed & then sending in missionaries to split the society is well known.

    A curious paradox is many converts are from the upper castes. This is true in Islam in the famous Madras famine half the Dalits of the city starved not one converted.

    Certainly there were Brahmin collaborators but much of the vitriol against them is written by and for those ignorant of Hindu civilization.

    Example they talk of Brahmin wealth when a good Brahmin is one who begs. In compiling a list of oppressed castes in the Delhi Punjab area Guru Gobind Singh Ji famously included Brahmins there.

    It's a fact that majority of the students in Takshila & Nalanda university were Shudra. If you read Fa Hien, Chinese Traveler and Megasthenes, Selucid Diplomat, accounts of India you will change your tune.

    Both said the Indian common man is the most prosperous and care free in the world. What changed after was incessant incursion by Turks.

    Our Rishis recognized the inherent inequality of man, even Dasam Guru Granth Sahib Ji says Varna comes from Akal Purakh.

    https://www.counter-currents.com/2017/06/the-genetic-limits-of-social-mobility/

    http://www.socialmatter.net/2016/12/16/a-brief-defense-of-the-hereditarian-caste-system/

    http://thefutureprimaeval.net/material-and-social-technologies/

    Even the Celts had Sati it's an old Indo European tradition and existed where women had more value actually. In places where women had greater status and honor than say Greece/Rome (non existent) vs German/Norse & Celtic.

    You should read the stories of young widows both during British & Mughal times. One Widow in front of Akbar burnt her own arm to a crisp to protest her not being allowed to Sati & he had to relent।।

    In front of the Brits a young 16 year Widow of Bengal burnt her own finger off with a candle, the officer got out of the way, and she became Sati.

    Sati Mata Ki Jai!

    If you understand the mosaic distinction or the idea that all philosophy before us or outside our tradition is false, then you would have no kind words for Christianity, Islam, Judaism or Liberalism.

    They prevent the vertical transfer of knowledge

    https://devayasna.wordpress.com/2017/01/17/religion-counter-religion-and-the-weirdness-of-modernity
    http://thefutureprimaeval.net/a-short-argument-for-traditions/

    It is a Brahmin job to preserve tradition although there have been many reformers it is more so the Ksytria job to guide & reform society.

    Why do you not bring up the countless Brahmin freedom fighters & social reformers? Bhakti Saints.

    We are the only ones who can show our face to the world. A bunch of melech Abrahamics worshipping the destroyers of their ancestors have no say.

    Understand the difference between no salvation without Mohammad Christ vs All Paths lead to the same destination.

    https://vajrin.wordpress.com/2012/11/25/sarva-dharma-samabhava-an-astika-view/

    Read Sikh scripture Uggardanti Sahib

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6L9le5gF5bldUYyRnVwdXprQ1E/view?usp=drivesdk

    https://web.archive.org/web/20170404132933/https://www.manglacharan.com/manglacharan/2016/1/11/the-merit-of-being-of-warrior-from-dasam-and-sarbloh-granth

    https://www.manglacharan.com/home/praise-of-devi-dasam-granth

    https://www.manglacharan.com/home/sarbloh-avtar-s-updesh-to-indra

    https://www.manglacharan.com/home/the-reason-for-blue-bana-bansavalinama-1768

    Dadu, in contemplating the state of our Age of Darkness, if one hits you with a mud brick, ferociously strike back with a stone bolder."

    https://www.manglacharan.com/home/forgiveness-or-force-by-guru-gobind-singh

    https://www.manglacharan.com/home/this-is-how-the-singhs-fought-gur-sobha-1711

    https://www.manglacharan.com/home/worshipping-weapons-passage-from-suraj-prakash

    https://www.manglacharan.com/home/ugardanthi-explanation-bansavalinama
    https://www.manglacharan.com/home/importance-of-the-kamarkasa

    https://www.manglacharan.com/home/form-of-sarbloh-avtar

    https://www.manglacharan.com/home/lineage-and-shastarvidiya

    https://www.manglacharan.com/home/dussherra-importance-in-sikhi

    It's a fact that the west wants us to be a bastard race, like Filipinos & Latin Americans, who export women & their best abroad.

    It's a fact that muslim want us as slaves & eunuchs in their haram.

    Start doing weightlifting like stronglifts.com or starting Strength we know due to demographics there will come civil war to India within 2 decades.

    It's fact that not even west will give 20 lakh scholarship to abrahamic student for study like telangana does।।

    Guru Sahib has opened the path for Ksytria if you don't take it you will be ever regretful.

    If you're a Coward then we're done here.

    The Devas of every people have long hair & Weapons।।

    Guru Sahib has spoken that consider a man with Hair but no weapons as half a man।।

    Your heart is in the right place, A China who can destroy the Hindu Buddhist kingdoms of Xinjiang & create Muslim Malaysia Indonesia, An Islam that can enslave Crores, A Christian world can genocide 2 entire continents but it's the Brahmin who lives on alms who cannot show his face.

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾ।।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ।।

    Racism castes-ism and discrimination is in your blood and religion. You cannot refute it. I have been following Indian news since a long time.
    Recently a riot took place in Poona, a cantonment town. The reason? 200 years ago an army of East India Company comprising largely of so called lower class defeated a Brahamin Indian army.
    The Dalits (underclass) celebrate this and this celebration led to riots. But whats interesting is the level of discrimination that was practiced then, Indians have a habit of spitting, the Brahimins made these Dalits wear pots around their necks so their spit did not pollute the road.

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    The priesthood of any Pagan religion is always attacked by the followers of the desert madness. When the mainstream media is untrustworthy for your white genocide issues, why does it become suddenly so for everyone else?

    Jihadis were sent in to cause the rioting. Why don't you go on social media to see the pictures posted by dalits yourself? O well it's our problem. Some geriatric like you would give your daughter to an african to be 'better in God's eyes'

    You root for the destruction of all religions beside christianity but act holy & mighty it's pathetic that some even consider you human।।

    Ashoka banned slavery before your english language existed. Not that being equal or nice makes a civilization superior. Survival does & your pathetic european tribes could not survive. They're simply like what Pakistanis are, converts. LOL

    But it's obvious an about average iq liberal like you cannot be woken nor reached।।

    Bring all your people back from the americas & australia then preach about racism casteism dirty Melech।।

    , @Malla

    The Dalits (underclass) celebrate this and this celebration led to riots. But whats interesting is the level of discrimination that was practiced then, Indians have a habit of spitting, the Brahimins made these Dalits wear pots around their necks so their spit did not pollute the road.
     
    Hinduism is nothing but Brahminism. Brahmins will rule and low IQ idiots like this Singh who is sock pupetting as Anon will remain their slaves.
    , @Malla

    Recently a riot took place in Poona, a cantonment town. The reason? 200 years ago an army of East India Company comprising largely of so called lower class defeated a Brahamin Indian army.
     
    Yup this one

    http://www.firstpost.com/india/200th-anniversary-of-battle-of-koregaon-rohith-vemulas-mother-jignesh-mevani-to-address-pune-rally-fight-against-new-peshwas-4278773.html

    http://www.atimes.com/article/200-year-old-battle-comes-back-haunt-indias-caste-faultlines/
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  37. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Reverend Spooner
    You are drowning in your own hubris you hindu supremacist. Why don't you read 'An era of Darknes' by Sashi Thraoor? Britain did all that you claim and more, but it did it for Britain.
    You want to be white, dying to be white, using bleaching creams to get white and all the while being the biggest racist, castiest in God's world.
    I don't give a shit about your Asipatravana and don't care what it means.
    And Nicky Haley thinks she's white by doing what she's doing?

    The jewish god runs the world? When behavioral genetics shows inequality is inherent you still preach & cuck about equality? Have fun being wiped out by mass african islamic migration.

    We’re Punjabi Sikh neither light nor dark. Nikki Haley needs an honor killing & you can be left red with her।।

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  38. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Reverend Spooner
    Racism castes-ism and discrimination is in your blood and religion. You cannot refute it. I have been following Indian news since a long time.
    Recently a riot took place in Poona, a cantonment town. The reason? 200 years ago an army of East India Company comprising largely of so called lower class defeated a Brahamin Indian army.
    The Dalits (underclass) celebrate this and this celebration led to riots. But whats interesting is the level of discrimination that was practiced then, Indians have a habit of spitting, the Brahimins made these Dalits wear pots around their necks so their spit did not pollute the road.

    The priesthood of any Pagan religion is always attacked by the followers of the desert madness. When the mainstream media is untrustworthy for your white genocide issues, why does it become suddenly so for everyone else?

    Jihadis were sent in to cause the rioting. Why don’t you go on social media to see the pictures posted by dalits yourself? O well it’s our problem. Some geriatric like you would give your daughter to an african to be ‘better in God’s eyes’

    You root for the destruction of all religions beside christianity but act holy & mighty it’s pathetic that some even consider you human।।

    Ashoka banned slavery before your english language existed. Not that being equal or nice makes a civilization superior. Survival does & your pathetic european tribes could not survive. They’re simply like what Pakistanis are, converts. LOL

    But it’s obvious an about average iq liberal like you cannot be woken nor reached।।

    Bring all your people back from the americas & australia then preach about racism casteism dirty Melech।।

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    The priesthood of any Pagan religion is always attacked by the followers of the desert madness.
     
    Wrong. They are attacking social evil like caste system and Sati.

    Ashoka banned slavery before your english language existed.
     
    And if the British had not told you about Ashoka, you would not even know he existed. Besides, Emperor Ashoka became a Buddhist.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3mDkqU_sck&feature=youtu.be

    Mr. Markandey Katju was the Chief Justice of India and he is a Kashmiri Brahmin. He says caste system is destroying the country, check out from 13:30
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  39. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Reverend Spooner
    To root for a just one section of humanity and disregard the rest is racism. You can call it what you like and you can feel free to abuse anyone.
    To really look at your adversary and talk is to be human. It will enrich you. It matters not if you are are black, white yellow or brown.

    That’s a bunch of liberal christian bs. Your monotheism is rooted in deny individual relations. You take one piece of the universe to declare as unrepentant truth & the rest as hellish lies.

    https://henadology.files.wordpress.com/2016/11/wp32-butler-pp3538-version-2.pdf

    Hellenic Panta-en-Pasin or Vedic Indra’s Net demonstrate that each Jewel of the Univere is connected, it reflects into the other||

    However, those nearer to each other whether by blood relation or devotion, reflect strongly among themselves. The reflection is still there even in the farthest corner though.

    In contrast, your rooting for every section of humanity is for them to fall away from their ancestral tradition & adopt your desert thievery.

    You wish for the destruction of humanity, and call it well wishing.

    Pagans by the very nature of their Poly-Centric existence, acknowledge the connection of all life & humanity, you call it caste (a Portugeuse Christian word, denoting a system of blood purity) and discrminination||

    http://indiafacts.org/why-is-the-world-so-obsessed-with-indias-caste-system/

    To Christians, past sins are a matter for repentance vis-a-vis God, but ultimately only the normal course of things, since we’re all sinners. So they are not uptight about having sins on their record and won’t be blackmailed about this.

    http://indiafacts.org/caste-system-colonial-idea/

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    End of day fact is that the multicultural or diverse society/world you claim to support is impossible with a monotheist belief structure||

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1WKZJUhHlD209oOqcT1faRv4rvzQyzTpQ/view?usp=sharing

    The end goal of these exclusivist faiths is a kingdom of Christ, a Dar al-Islam or a global government of human rights. Everything is done in the name of truth, and every action is one step closer to the goal. When temples are buried under churches, sacred groves cut (http://mosmaiorum.org/persecution_list.html) or rituals absorbed, “So that all these rites and cults that they practiced for the sake of the idols, they now came to practice in the honor of god” (Assman, 6), it is all in the name of progression along a finite linear time scale. Everyone must join this one group, and reject others for the sake of development and refinement. As Talom Rukbo and Andrew McGowan point out this oppositional, and societal fracturing attitude is a core part of the exclusivist ideology and its linear notion of time (Sanu, 2005) (McGowan, 2010).

    A linear notion of time develops in opposition to a falsehood, whose defeat becomes the core pretext for the existence of the ideology. It is only exclusivist ideologies who posit this notion of time because they are the only ones concerned with defeating other ideologies in a “conversion war”. Quintus Aurelius Symmachus of Rome said: “Everyone has his own customs, his own religious practices; the divine mind has assigned to different cities different religions to be their guardians”. Makau Mutua of Africa is careful to distinguish between human traditions and what he calls proselytizing Universalist faiths (Sanu, 2005). In the Rig Veda Book 1 Hymn Line 46 It is Stated “that which is One, sages give many a title” (Vyas, N.D.). We are well aware of the Dharmic concept of cyclical or infinite time, and also of adopting the Deities of others, a process Assman calls ‘translation’ (Assman, 1-4).

    A view of time as infinite or cyclical goes hand in hand with religious tolerance and multiculturalism. At the same time, believing time to be finite and linear is associated with trying to outdo and destroy others on a religious/cultural level. This linear notion of time leads to a marked separation between Us and Other. Assman calls this process Normative Inversion by which that which is false is made true, and that which is true is made false (Assman, 6). As Augustine mentioned, from a worldview in which anything but Jesus is false, anything which can be claimed from the “heathens” should be as they are in unlawful possession of it.

    A good example of the contrast between exclusive and inclusive ideology and their respective notions of time is found in Mithra-Jayanti. A festival to mark the winter solstice, dedicated to the Vedic Deva Mithra or Mithras, it was widely celebrated throughout the Roman Empire. Mithra is infinite in age as far as humans are concerned so it is unknown when this festival started nor when it will end.

    In contrast, when this date was appropriated by Christianity to celebrate the birth of Jesus it gained a beginning (birth) and an end (apocalypse) (Bharavi, 2015) (Ravi, 2016). Furthermore, its very existence is celebration of the genocide of the “false heathen”. A victory for the march towards salvation of all creation in Jesus Christ.

    That a number of different traditions could co-exist and celebrate festivals together in ancient Europe, while also having a non-linear view of time shows the relationship between infinite time and religious tolerance (McFarlane, 2004). The arrival of an exclusivist ideology with a linear notion of time destroyed this fabric. In other words, the people who previously believed time to be infinite, were converted to the view of it as linear. This was done as part of their larger conversion to a religiously intolerant exclusivism.

    https://docs.google.com/document/d/1SRJepvG5d9XZe7P-0wexqC9aPSjcTUfGztmB4ULddtk/edit?usp=sharing

    Monotheism is disproven by the fact that atoms transfer between all, all exist within one another at some level. Your entire notion of believer unbeliever is scientifically invalid. Egyptian Roman & Hindu Civilization used the same word Netji Dios/Deus or Deva to describe both their own pantheon & that of others. You can rant about Muh Racism & Liberty all you want, fact is you are the professor of a heresy which calls the Gods of others false|| There is nothing more to say unrepentant criminals like you who insult the Dios of everyone else can only be met & destroyed in battle.

    Your future African Arab army will not stand against Aryas.

    Reality is racist & “GOD” created it http://www.unz.com/jman/the-five-laws-of-behavioral-genetics/ digest that|| Youll just mutter that we must change or impprove it, you only understand violence.

    Ksytrias dole it out like Langar||

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾ।।
    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਹਿ।।

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    Caste is the Portuguese word for color. When they arrived in in India the Hindus went on at length to explain the system.

    The Portuguese noticed that the Lower groups were dark and the higher groups lighter. So they called it what it is, classification according to color
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  40. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @martin2
    During the period that Britain ruled over India, from roughly 1800 to roughly 1950, the population of India increased from 180 million to 400 million. Whenever someone claims that the British presence was to the detriment of Indians ask them to explain that fact, and don't let them change the subject.

    According to evidence cited by the economic historians Immanuel Wallerstein, Irfan Habib, Percival Spear, and Ashok Desai, per-capita agricultural output and standards of consumption in 17th-century Mughal India was on-par with or higher than in 17th-century Europe and early 20th-century British India.[23]

    According to economic historian Prasannan Parthasarathi, earnings data from primary sources show that mid-late 18th-century real wages and living standards in Mughal Bengal (under the Nawabs of Bengal) and the South Indian Kingdom of Mysore (under Hyder Ali and Tipu Sultan) were higher than in Britain, which in turn had the highest living standards in Europe.[24][25] The economic historian Sashi Sivramkrishna estimates Mysore’s average income in the late 18th century to be five times higher than subsistence level,[26] i.e. five times higher than $400 (1990 international dollars),[27] or $2,000 per capita. According to Parthasarathi, real wage decline occurred in the early 19th century, or possibly beginning in the very late 18th century, under British rule.[24][25]

    So few centuries ago still almost double what it was only in 2007||

    You see, you think we’re vindictitive, when we watch with horror what goes on in your country. You no longer have functioning marriages, control over your children or culture or border. Never in our worst nightmares do we wish this kind of vengeance on our enemies||

    We are simple people,

    https://web.archive.org/web/20170404132933/http://www.manglacharan.com/manglacharan/2016/1/11/the-merit-of-being-of-warrior-from-dasam-and-sarbloh-granth

    Seek not anyone else’s feet but those of Hari, the Guru, and Dwija. That whose name is recited throughout the four ages, against Him by fighting and dying one is carried across||

    https://imgur.com/a/UpaX5

    As long as you remain Christian/Secular,

    “Secularism is the latest expression of the Christian religion” – Graeme Smith

    http://www.thedivineconspiracy.org/Z5227V.pdf

    You will never understand Aryan Blood or the Aryan Heartbeat||

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾ।।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਹਿ।।

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    I repeat do not write your Hinduwadi nonsense.

    According to evidence cited by the economic historians Immanuel Wallerstein, Irfan Habib, Percival Spear, and Ashok Desai, per-capita agricultural output and standards of consumption in 17th-century Mughal India was on-par with or higher than in 17th-century Europe and early 20th-century British India.[23]

    According to economic historian Prasannan Parthasarathi, earnings data from primary sources show that mid-late 18th-century real wages and living standards in Mughal Bengal (under the Nawabs of Bengal) and the South Indian Kingdom of Mysore (under Hyder Ali and Tipu Sultan) were higher than in Britain, which in turn had the highest living standards in Europe.[24][25] The economic historian Sashi Sivramkrishna estimates Mysore’s average income in the late 18th century to be five times higher than subsistence level,[26] i.e. five times higher than $400 (1990 international dollars),[27] or $2,000 per capita. According to Parthasarathi, real wage decline occurred in the early 19th century, or possibly beginning in the very late 18th century, under British rule.[24][25]
     
    Wrong Britain had double the per capita income as India in the year 1600 when the East India Company was formed.

    http://www.livemint.com/Opinion/Nb7KkZ3yOVSNW3vHf9K1oM/World-history-by-per-capita-GDP.html
    Well, the growth of India’s GDP between 1500 and 1600 was 22.7%, between 1600 and 1700 it was 22.2% and between 1700 and 1820 it logged 21%. So it’s not as if there was any huge decline in the rate of growth. Of course, that doesn’t preclude the possibility that Indian growth, too, may have taken off if the country was not under the thumb of the British. But China continued to be an independent country, albeit one much plagued by the Western powers, and its rate of growth too during the period was nothing to be proud of. What the data seem to be saying is that the coming of the British did not, at least in the first 100 years of colonial rule, make much of a difference to the growth rate of the Indian economy. Was India a wealthy country before the British came? The numbers that have garnered the most attention have been his GDP estimates, because they fit in with the narrative of a strong India and China getting back their clout in the world economy. But what is that to the average Indian or Chinese citizen? What if the only reason these countries had such a high GDP in earlier times was because they had a larger population? That is what is brought out by Maddison’s estimates of GDP per capita, again in PPP terms in 1990 dollars. In 1 AD, India’s GDP per capita was $450, as was China’s. But Italy under the Roman Empire had a per capita income of $809. In 1000 AD, India’s per capita income was $450 and China’s $466. But the average of the West Asian countries, such as Turkey and Iraq, was much higher at $621. In terms of general prosperity, therefore, it was the Arab world that was doing well a millennium ago. The Caliphate in Baghdad was a centre of power at the time and both science and culture flourished. By 1500, though, new centres of prosperity had emerged. India’s per capita income was $550 and China’s $600 in 1500. The Arab world had declined. But standards of living in Western Europe at that time had already gone far ahead. Italy topped the table, with a per capita income of $1,100, the Netherlands following with a per capita income of $761. This was the Italy of the Renaissance, the Italy of Michelangelo and Leonardo da Vinci, of Raphael and Titian. The UK was not far behind, with a per capita income of $714. By 1600, the centre of Europe had shifted northwards and the golden age of Holland had begun. Dutch per capita income was $1,381 in 1600, while Britain in Shakespeare’s time had a per capita income of $974. Recall that 1600 was the year the East India Company was founded. In contrast, India’s per capita income continued to be $550, while China’s was $600. Note that even Ireland, one of the poorest of Western Europe’s countries, had a per capita income of $615, higher than India’s and China’s. In short, the per capita GDP numbers mirror the changes in power, prosperity and cultural and scientific achievement. It wasn’t till 1981 that India had a per capita income of $977, beating that of Britain in 1600. And it wasn’t until 1993 that India’s per capita income of $1,399 surpassed what the Dutch had achieved in 1600. Maddison’s calculations show that in 2008, India’s per capita GDP ( in 1990 dollars, PPP terms) was $2,975, slightly more than one-third of the world average of $7,614. We have a long way to go.
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  41. Malla says:
    @anon
    According to evidence cited by the economic historians Immanuel Wallerstein, Irfan Habib, Percival Spear, and Ashok Desai, per-capita agricultural output and standards of consumption in 17th-century Mughal India was on-par with or higher than in 17th-century Europe and early 20th-century British India.[23]

    According to economic historian Prasannan Parthasarathi, earnings data from primary sources show that mid-late 18th-century real wages and living standards in Mughal Bengal (under the Nawabs of Bengal) and the South Indian Kingdom of Mysore (under Hyder Ali and Tipu Sultan) were higher than in Britain, which in turn had the highest living standards in Europe.[24][25] The economic historian Sashi Sivramkrishna estimates Mysore's average income in the late 18th century to be five times higher than subsistence level,[26] i.e. five times higher than $400 (1990 international dollars),[27] or $2,000 per capita. According to Parthasarathi, real wage decline occurred in the early 19th century, or possibly beginning in the very late 18th century, under British rule.[24][25]
    --
    So few centuries ago still almost double what it was only in 2007||

    You see, you think we're vindictitive, when we watch with horror what goes on in your country. You no longer have functioning marriages, control over your children or culture or border. Never in our worst nightmares do we wish this kind of vengeance on our enemies||

    We are simple people,

    https://web.archive.org/web/20170404132933/http://www.manglacharan.com/manglacharan/2016/1/11/the-merit-of-being-of-warrior-from-dasam-and-sarbloh-granth

    Seek not anyone else's feet but those of Hari, the Guru, and Dwija. That whose name is recited throughout the four ages, against Him by fighting and dying one is carried across||

    https://imgur.com/a/UpaX5

    As long as you remain Christian/Secular,

    "Secularism is the latest expression of the Christian religion" - Graeme Smith

    www.thedivineconspiracy.org/Z5227V.pdf

    You will never understand Aryan Blood or the Aryan Heartbeat||

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾ।।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਹਿ।।

    I repeat do not write your Hinduwadi nonsense.

    According to evidence cited by the economic historians Immanuel Wallerstein, Irfan Habib, Percival Spear, and Ashok Desai, per-capita agricultural output and standards of consumption in 17th-century Mughal India was on-par with or higher than in 17th-century Europe and early 20th-century British India.[23]

    According to economic historian Prasannan Parthasarathi, earnings data from primary sources show that mid-late 18th-century real wages and living standards in Mughal Bengal (under the Nawabs of Bengal) and the South Indian Kingdom of Mysore (under Hyder Ali and Tipu Sultan) were higher than in Britain, which in turn had the highest living standards in Europe.[24][25] The economic historian Sashi Sivramkrishna estimates Mysore’s average income in the late 18th century to be five times higher than subsistence level,[26] i.e. five times higher than $400 (1990 international dollars),[27] or $2,000 per capita. According to Parthasarathi, real wage decline occurred in the early 19th century, or possibly beginning in the very late 18th century, under British rule.[24][25]

    Wrong Britain had double the per capita income as India in the year 1600 when the East India Company was formed.

    http://www.livemint.com/Opinion/Nb7KkZ3yOVSNW3vHf9K1oM/World-history-by-per-capita-GDP.html

    Well, the growth of India’s GDP between 1500 and 1600 was 22.7%, between 1600 and 1700 it was 22.2% and between 1700 and 1820 it logged 21%. So it’s not as if there was any huge decline in the rate of growth. Of course, that doesn’t preclude the possibility that Indian growth, too, may have taken off if the country was not under the thumb of the British. But China continued to be an independent country, albeit one much plagued by the Western powers, and its rate of growth too during the period was nothing to be proud of. What the data seem to be saying is that the coming of the British did not, at least in the first 100 years of colonial rule, make much of a difference to the growth rate of the Indian economy. Was India a wealthy country before the British came? The numbers that have garnered the most attention have been his GDP estimates, because they fit in with the narrative of a strong India and China getting back their clout in the world economy. But what is that to the average Indian or Chinese citizen? What if the only reason these countries had such a high GDP in earlier times was because they had a larger population? That is what is brought out by Maddison’s estimates of GDP per capita, again in PPP terms in 1990 dollars. In 1 AD, India’s GDP per capita was $450, as was China’s. But Italy under the Roman Empire had a per capita income of $809. In 1000 AD, India’s per capita income was $450 and China’s $466. But the average of the West Asian countries, such as Turkey and Iraq, was much higher at $621. In terms of general prosperity, therefore, it was the Arab world that was doing well a millennium ago. The Caliphate in Baghdad was a centre of power at the time and both science and culture flourished. By 1500, though, new centres of prosperity had emerged. India’s per capita income was $550 and China’s $600 in 1500. The Arab world had declined. But standards of living in Western Europe at that time had already gone far ahead. Italy topped the table, with a per capita income of $1,100, the Netherlands following with a per capita income of $761. This was the Italy of the Renaissance, the Italy of Michelangelo and Leonardo da Vinci, of Raphael and Titian. The UK was not far behind, with a per capita income of $714. By 1600, the centre of Europe had shifted northwards and the golden age of Holland had begun. Dutch per capita income was $1,381 in 1600, while Britain in Shakespeare’s time had a per capita income of $974. Recall that 1600 was the year the East India Company was founded. In contrast, India’s per capita income continued to be $550, while China’s was $600. Note that even Ireland, one of the poorest of Western Europe’s countries, had a per capita income of $615, higher than India’s and China’s. In short, the per capita GDP numbers mirror the changes in power, prosperity and cultural and scientific achievement. It wasn’t till 1981 that India had a per capita income of $977, beating that of Britain in 1600. And it wasn’t until 1993 that India’s per capita income of $1,399 surpassed what the Dutch had achieved in 1600. Maddison’s calculations show that in 2008, India’s per capita GDP ( in 1990 dollars, PPP terms) was $2,975, slightly more than one-third of the world average of $7,614. We have a long way to go.

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  42. Malla says:
    @Anon
    The priesthood of any Pagan religion is always attacked by the followers of the desert madness. When the mainstream media is untrustworthy for your white genocide issues, why does it become suddenly so for everyone else?

    Jihadis were sent in to cause the rioting. Why don't you go on social media to see the pictures posted by dalits yourself? O well it's our problem. Some geriatric like you would give your daughter to an african to be 'better in God's eyes'

    You root for the destruction of all religions beside christianity but act holy & mighty it's pathetic that some even consider you human।।

    Ashoka banned slavery before your english language existed. Not that being equal or nice makes a civilization superior. Survival does & your pathetic european tribes could not survive. They're simply like what Pakistanis are, converts. LOL

    But it's obvious an about average iq liberal like you cannot be woken nor reached।।

    Bring all your people back from the americas & australia then preach about racism casteism dirty Melech।।

    The priesthood of any Pagan religion is always attacked by the followers of the desert madness.

    Wrong. They are attacking social evil like caste system and Sati.

    Ashoka banned slavery before your english language existed.

    And if the British had not told you about Ashoka, you would not even know he existed. Besides, Emperor Ashoka became a Buddhist.

    Mr. Markandey Katju was the Chief Justice of India and he is a Kashmiri Brahmin. He says caste system is destroying the country, check out from 13:30

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  43. Malla says:
    @Reverend Spooner
    Racism castes-ism and discrimination is in your blood and religion. You cannot refute it. I have been following Indian news since a long time.
    Recently a riot took place in Poona, a cantonment town. The reason? 200 years ago an army of East India Company comprising largely of so called lower class defeated a Brahamin Indian army.
    The Dalits (underclass) celebrate this and this celebration led to riots. But whats interesting is the level of discrimination that was practiced then, Indians have a habit of spitting, the Brahimins made these Dalits wear pots around their necks so their spit did not pollute the road.

    The Dalits (underclass) celebrate this and this celebration led to riots. But whats interesting is the level of discrimination that was practiced then, Indians have a habit of spitting, the Brahimins made these Dalits wear pots around their necks so their spit did not pollute the road.

    Hinduism is nothing but Brahminism. Brahmins will rule and low IQ idiots like this Singh who is sock pupetting as Anon will remain their slaves.

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  44. Malla says:
    @Reverend Spooner
    To root for a just one section of humanity and disregard the rest is racism. You can call it what you like and you can feel free to abuse anyone.
    To really look at your adversary and talk is to be human. It will enrich you. It matters not if you are are black, white yellow or brown.

    Check out this book

    RIDDLES IN HINDUISM

    http://www.satnami.com/riddles.pdf

    From the book

    The Hindu social system is undemocratic not by accident. It is designed to be
    undemocratic. Its division of society into varnas and castes, and of castes and outcastes
    are not theories but are decrees. They are all barricades raised against democracy.

    Also check out

    http://bapumraut.blogspot.in/2013/02/how-adi-shankara-destroyed-buddhism-and.html

    How Adi Shankara destroyed Buddhism and founded ‘Hinduism’ in the 8th century

    and

    http://cricketvoice.com/cricketforum2/index.php?topic=10455.0

    HINDU VIOLENCE AGAINST BUDDHISM IN INDIA HAS NO PARALLEL

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  45. Malla says:
    @Reverend Spooner
    You are drowning in your own hubris you hindu supremacist. Why don't you read 'An era of Darknes' by Sashi Thraoor? Britain did all that you claim and more, but it did it for Britain.
    You want to be white, dying to be white, using bleaching creams to get white and all the while being the biggest racist, castiest in God's world.
    I don't give a shit about your Asipatravana and don't care what it means.
    And Nicky Haley thinks she's white by doing what she's doing?

    If you want to read any book about India during British Raj, this is essential reading.

    http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks03/0300811h.html

    Throw that book by Sashi Thraoor into the bin.

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  46. Malla says:
    @Reverend Spooner
    Racism castes-ism and discrimination is in your blood and religion. You cannot refute it. I have been following Indian news since a long time.
    Recently a riot took place in Poona, a cantonment town. The reason? 200 years ago an army of East India Company comprising largely of so called lower class defeated a Brahamin Indian army.
    The Dalits (underclass) celebrate this and this celebration led to riots. But whats interesting is the level of discrimination that was practiced then, Indians have a habit of spitting, the Brahimins made these Dalits wear pots around their necks so their spit did not pollute the road.

    Recently a riot took place in Poona, a cantonment town. The reason? 200 years ago an army of East India Company comprising largely of so called lower class defeated a Brahamin Indian army.

    Yup this one

    http://www.firstpost.com/india/200th-anniversary-of-battle-of-koregaon-rohith-vemulas-mother-jignesh-mevani-to-address-pune-rally-fight-against-new-peshwas-4278773.html

    http://www.atimes.com/article/200-year-old-battle-comes-back-haunt-indias-caste-faultlines/

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  47. Malla says:

    One should read the writings of Periyar E. V. Ramasamy

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Periyar_E._V._Ramasamy

    “The Jews are only interested in themselves, and nobody else. They somehow contrive to have the rulers in their pocket, participate in governance and conspire to torture and suck the lives out of other citizens in order that they live (in comfort).” These blatantly anti-Jewish lines were penned on March 20, 1938.
    These are the next lines: “Are they not comparable to the Brahmins who too have no responsibility but have the rulers in their pocket, have entered the ruling dispensation and been lording over (all of us)?”

    This is Periyar E.V. Ramasamy writing in his magazine Kudiyarasu, and he is being unusually mild here. (Naan Sonnal Unakku Yen Kopam Vara Vendum, vol. 4, p. 532, compiled by Pasu. Gowthaman)

    In all his agitations – and he had many – the lowest common denominator was the Brahmin. Even while criticising non-Brahmin national leaders like Gandhi, Subhash Chandra Bose and Sardar Vallabhai Patel, Periyar said that they were all victims of a Brahmin conspiracy. He said, that Gandhi was killed by Brahmins because Gandhi was turning into a Periyar himself! Periyar and his disciples attributed grand conspiracies and clever manipulations by Brahmins for the plight of the non-Brahmins.

    Periyar’s was an attack on brahminical ideas of ‘philosophy’. For him philosophy was not a specific intellectual activity of the Brahmins and nor were they considered to be specialists or professionals above the masses. He forced the subalterns to understand that the Brahmanical conception of the world is something external to the organic intellectual world of the masses. His refusal to take part in Brahmanical discourses of language and his dismissal of epics like the Ramayana or Mahabharata
    has to be seen in this context.

    Periyar’s conviction was that after the end of British rule , independent India, under what he believed would be Brahmin rule, would be worse if there were not adequate checks and balances to curtail the dominance of the Brahmin castes. He gave credit to the agency of the native elite castes for using colonial institutions and bureaucracy to their own advantage. Anti-colonialist theorists like Frantz Fanon and Amilcar Cabral too have taken similar approaches to the native elites, of
    course in their own contexts.

    He wanted the British to continue to remain in power – while simultaneously complaining that they were succumbing to the machinations of the Brahmins.

    He once said
    “Hindu society as such does not exist. It is only a collection of castes. […] Indeed the ideal Hindu must be like a rat living in his own hole refusing to have any contact with others. […] There is no Hindu consciousness of kind. In every Hindu the consciousness that exists is the consciousness of his caste. That is the reason why the Hindus cannot be said to form a society or a nation. There are however many Indians whose patriotism does not permit them to admit that Indians are not a
    nation, that they are only an amorphous mass of people.”

    At times, Periyar issued blood-curdling threats to Brahmins, but in action he did not believe in violence. Many of his black-shirted followers were fine individuals personally. At the same time, Periyar was also paranoid that democracy would result in Brahmins completely taking over the reins of the government. His words: “India should never go anywhere near democratic principles. The reason is 90% of our population are fools and 97% of them are persons of low birth. How will their rule set right our country?” (Periyar’s writings compiled by Pasu. Gowthaman, vol. 4, 2017, p. 432)

    Another case in point followed in 1968, when, in Tanjore district, 44 Dalits were butchered by the goons of a landlord. Periyar commented on the murders thus: “So long as democracy exists, the honest will have no other option except to fade away, giving the dishonest room to dance around. The people of India are barbarians. The harma of India is the dharma of criminal tribes. As long as the ones who follow Manu dharma exist, the nation will never have discipline, integrity, honesty and justice. India has gone into the hands of scoundrels after the departure of the British.”

    There is no doubt that Periyar genuinely wanted the Dalits to break out of the shackles of caste oppression. He was miffed that the Constitution did not provide reservations for non-Brahmins. He accused Ambedkar for selling himself to the Brahmins: “The Brahmins had paid him a price. The price is this: he asked for 10% reservation and they gave him 15%. They knew that even if they gave him 25%, not even three or four percent of qualified people would be available [among the Dalits].
    He accepted the Constitution written by the Brahmins and signed on the dotted lines. He did not think about others.” (Periyar E.V.R. Chintanaikal, Anaimuthu, 1974, p. 1,860)

    Periyar was uncompromisingly opposed to Brahmanism. Throughout his life, Periyar polemically attacked the ritual status of the Brahmin: the privileges the Hindu religion bestows upon him, his caste purity, his role in maintaining caste hierarchy, his role in engendering patriarchy and his monopoly over the state apparatus. Brahmanism as an ideology was embodied in the agent of the Brahmin and an emancipatory politics was impossible without dislodging Brahmin overrepresentation in the
    public sphere. But Periyar was not playing a narrow identity politics here; on the contrary, he was accusing Brahmanism of reducing human beings who deserved self-respect into narrow caste clusters in strife with each other, to the benefit of those at the top. And he was also aware of the problem of castes stepping on each other to climb the pecking order.

    It is nobody’s case that the Brahmins were angels. They were arrogant, casteist and possessed a general contempt for the ‘unwashed’ millions, and even the washed others. Then again, they were not alone. However the oppressing classes belonged to a wider spectrum. The upper caste non-brahmins, many of whom were landlords, money lenders, traders and merchants–they, too, were part of the machinery of oppression.

    In 1925, Periyar stressed that communal representation was more important for the Dalits than the intermediate castes. Not only was he fairly consistent on this position, but he was also unsparing in his criticism that the casteism practiced between non-Brahmins was more cruel than the one that Brahmins practiced against others. Periyar was sincerely aware of the problems within the secular project of non-Brahmanism, and how the non-Brahmin intermediate castes had a tendency to look
    down upon Dalits by being relatively superior in a hierarchical society. Likewise, it was common for Periyar to speak at meetings of intermediate castes, where members of these castes would be there by the thousands, and chide them acerbically for their notions of superiority over the Dalits. He located the ideological source of caste oppression in Brahmanism and found the Brahmins to be its greatest beneficiaries; that doesn’t make him a defence lawyer for intermediate castes who committed crimes against the Dalits. Periyar fully agreed with Ambedkar’s observation in Annihilation of Caste that “All are slaves of the caste system. But all the slaves are not equal in status.”

    He critiqued Hindi and Sanskrit and rejected them for their lack of democratic and liberating potential for the masses. Equally, he was also critical of Tamil and glorification of Tamil pasts. In critiquing the upper caste non-Brahmin Tamil intellectuals’ glorification of archaic Tamil, he constantly reminded them the need of such intellectual activity to be immersed in the lives and experiences of the masses. He condemned Tamil purists for the lack of respectable words for women and lower castes in classical Tamil texts and for the lack of rational ideas. At certain occasions, he also advocated the Tamils to abandon their language and learn English. Periyar was for a truly transformed language that would offer critical awareness to the masses enabling them to transform their oppressive conditions.

    Elite Brahmin contempt for Periyar’s ideology of anti-Brahmanism has a long history.

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    Wikipedia is Hinduwadi Propaganda now. Periyar molested his own female relatives you're just a christian at heart

    Your sjw nonsense & thinking you're doing some good by disparaging your own civ in front of melech is pathetic

    It is funny how all the Hinduphobic talking points used by chrislamist jihadis find mention in you

    It doesn't matter what family you were born in convent schools have made you our enemy
    , @Anon
    You're the type who makes fun of Hindu society & Devas but are silent towards muslim christian you're just some weird liberal who thinks democratic egalitarian values have any scientific validity.

    Go read the behavioral genetics page you cuck।।
    , @Anon
    Same judiciary who bans Hindu festivals under false pretext but protects Melech ones.

    Same Peta wishes Happy Eid but bans Jalikattu

    http://indiafacts.org/dahi-handi-debacle-edict-thessalonica-attack-hindu-traditions/

    & no abrahamics have always criticized Pagan priest to point where even Euro Pagan see this. Largest Brahmin pop is in UP & UK lol not rich states.

    The South Indian jealousy of Brahmin make sense if there's 20+ avg iq difference & some other explanation beside inherent intelligence is sought out.
    , @Anon
    Periyar encouraged goons to molest Brahmin women & rip off their sacred threads।।

    https://mobile.twitter.com/blog_supplement/status/948781080781512704

    The idea that any difference in performance between any groups must be result of discrimination is the problem।।

    We see it in many civilizations anyway let's conclude this argument over this site & take it elsewhere.

    Send email to Jatt47@mail.com you can make easy account with many suffix like @asia.com @reincarnate.com etc to use as 'spam account' of sorts।।

    ਜੈਸ਼੍ਰੀਰਾਮ।।
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  48. Iberiano says:
    @Malla
    Todays SJWs are misfits and idiots who are the result of decades of Marxist propaganda via the education system and the media. They are financed and directed by the globalist elites to destroy Western civilization and the White race. This is important before the globalists can set up their one world government slave society on Earth. These same globalist elites financed nearly all the anti-colonial movements, the destruction of South Africa and Rhodesia, spreading of Communism and now finally the West.

    The interesting thing is, out here in California, the only SJWs I really ever see or hear of/from are whites…most West Coast Latinos, and to a greater extent, Asians, have no interest or need to adopt any of the SJW positions.

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    Look below 25
    , @Malla

    The interesting thing is, out here in California, the only SJWs I really ever see or hear of/from are whites
     
    Self hating Whites. Brainwashing via media and education system and perverted Christian guilt.
    , @denjae
    " have no interest or need to adopt any of the SJW positions."

    Duh! Of course not. Latino's and Asians are amongst the beneficiaries of SWJ-ways.

    Why work at something that a bunch of idiotic SWJ's are giving away for free?
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  49. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Malla
    One should read the writings of Periyar E. V. Ramasamy
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Periyar_E._V._Ramasamy

    “The Jews are only interested in themselves, and nobody else. They somehow contrive to have the rulers in their pocket, participate in governance and conspire to torture and suck the lives out of other citizens in order that they live (in comfort).” These blatantly anti-Jewish lines were penned on March 20, 1938.
    These are the next lines: “Are they not comparable to the Brahmins who too have no responsibility but have the rulers in their pocket, have entered the ruling dispensation and been lording over (all of us)?”

    This is Periyar E.V. Ramasamy writing in his magazine Kudiyarasu, and he is being unusually mild here. (Naan Sonnal Unakku Yen Kopam Vara Vendum, vol. 4, p. 532, compiled by Pasu. Gowthaman)

    In all his agitations – and he had many – the lowest common denominator was the Brahmin. Even while criticising non-Brahmin national leaders like Gandhi, Subhash Chandra Bose and Sardar Vallabhai Patel, Periyar said that they were all victims of a Brahmin conspiracy. He said, that Gandhi was killed by Brahmins because Gandhi was turning into a Periyar himself! Periyar and his disciples attributed grand conspiracies and clever manipulations by Brahmins for the plight of the non-Brahmins.

    Periyar’s was an attack on brahminical ideas of ‘philosophy’. For him philosophy was not a specific intellectual activity of the Brahmins and nor were they considered to be specialists or professionals above the masses. He forced the subalterns to understand that the Brahmanical conception of the world is something external to the organic intellectual world of the masses. His refusal to take part in Brahmanical discourses of language and his dismissal of epics like the Ramayana or Mahabharata
    has to be seen in this context.

    Periyar’s conviction was that after the end of British rule , independent India, under what he believed would be Brahmin rule, would be worse if there were not adequate checks and balances to curtail the dominance of the Brahmin castes. He gave credit to the agency of the native elite castes for using colonial institutions and bureaucracy to their own advantage. Anti-colonialist theorists like Frantz Fanon and Amilcar Cabral too have taken similar approaches to the native elites, of
    course in their own contexts.

    He wanted the British to continue to remain in power – while simultaneously complaining that they were succumbing to the machinations of the Brahmins.

    He once said
    “Hindu society as such does not exist. It is only a collection of castes. […] Indeed the ideal Hindu must be like a rat living in his own hole refusing to have any contact with others. […] There is no Hindu consciousness of kind. In every Hindu the consciousness that exists is the consciousness of his caste. That is the reason why the Hindus cannot be said to form a society or a nation. There are however many Indians whose patriotism does not permit them to admit that Indians are not a
    nation, that they are only an amorphous mass of people.”

    At times, Periyar issued blood-curdling threats to Brahmins, but in action he did not believe in violence. Many of his black-shirted followers were fine individuals personally. At the same time, Periyar was also paranoid that democracy would result in Brahmins completely taking over the reins of the government. His words: “India should never go anywhere near democratic principles. The reason is 90% of our population are fools and 97% of them are persons of low birth. How will their rule set right our country?” (Periyar’s writings compiled by Pasu. Gowthaman, vol. 4, 2017, p. 432)

    Another case in point followed in 1968, when, in Tanjore district, 44 Dalits were butchered by the goons of a landlord. Periyar commented on the murders thus: “So long as democracy exists, the honest will have no other option except to fade away, giving the dishonest room to dance around. The people of India are barbarians. The harma of India is the dharma of criminal tribes. As long as the ones who follow Manu dharma exist, the nation will never have discipline, integrity, honesty and justice. India has gone into the hands of scoundrels after the departure of the British.”

    There is no doubt that Periyar genuinely wanted the Dalits to break out of the shackles of caste oppression. He was miffed that the Constitution did not provide reservations for non-Brahmins. He accused Ambedkar for selling himself to the Brahmins: “The Brahmins had paid him a price. The price is this: he asked for 10% reservation and they gave him 15%. They knew that even if they gave him 25%, not even three or four percent of qualified people would be available [among the Dalits].
    He accepted the Constitution written by the Brahmins and signed on the dotted lines. He did not think about others.” (Periyar E.V.R. Chintanaikal, Anaimuthu, 1974, p. 1,860)

    Periyar was uncompromisingly opposed to Brahmanism. Throughout his life, Periyar polemically attacked the ritual status of the Brahmin: the privileges the Hindu religion bestows upon him, his caste purity, his role in maintaining caste hierarchy, his role in engendering patriarchy and his monopoly over the state apparatus. Brahmanism as an ideology was embodied in the agent of the Brahmin and an emancipatory politics was impossible without dislodging Brahmin overrepresentation in the
    public sphere. But Periyar was not playing a narrow identity politics here; on the contrary, he was accusing Brahmanism of reducing human beings who deserved self-respect into narrow caste clusters in strife with each other, to the benefit of those at the top. And he was also aware of the problem of castes stepping on each other to climb the pecking order.

    It is nobody’s case that the Brahmins were angels. They were arrogant, casteist and possessed a general contempt for the ‘unwashed’ millions, and even the washed others. Then again, they were not alone. However the oppressing classes belonged to a wider spectrum. The upper caste non-brahmins, many of whom were landlords, money lenders, traders and merchants--they, too, were part of the machinery of oppression.

    In 1925, Periyar stressed that communal representation was more important for the Dalits than the intermediate castes. Not only was he fairly consistent on this position, but he was also unsparing in his criticism that the casteism practiced between non-Brahmins was more cruel than the one that Brahmins practiced against others. Periyar was sincerely aware of the problems within the secular project of non-Brahmanism, and how the non-Brahmin intermediate castes had a tendency to look
    down upon Dalits by being relatively superior in a hierarchical society. Likewise, it was common for Periyar to speak at meetings of intermediate castes, where members of these castes would be there by the thousands, and chide them acerbically for their notions of superiority over the Dalits. He located the ideological source of caste oppression in Brahmanism and found the Brahmins to be its greatest beneficiaries; that doesn’t make him a defence lawyer for intermediate castes who committed crimes against the Dalits. Periyar fully agreed with Ambedkar’s observation in Annihilation of Caste that “All are slaves of the caste system. But all the slaves are not equal in status.”

    He critiqued Hindi and Sanskrit and rejected them for their lack of democratic and liberating potential for the masses. Equally, he was also critical of Tamil and glorification of Tamil pasts. In critiquing the upper caste non-Brahmin Tamil intellectuals’ glorification of archaic Tamil, he constantly reminded them the need of such intellectual activity to be immersed in the lives and experiences of the masses. He condemned Tamil purists for the lack of respectable words for women and lower castes in classical Tamil texts and for the lack of rational ideas. At certain occasions, he also advocated the Tamils to abandon their language and learn English. Periyar was for a truly transformed language that would offer critical awareness to the masses enabling them to transform their oppressive conditions.

    Elite Brahmin contempt for Periyar’s ideology of anti-Brahmanism has a long history.

    Wikipedia is Hinduwadi Propaganda now. Periyar molested his own female relatives you’re just a christian at heart

    Your sjw nonsense & thinking you’re doing some good by disparaging your own civ in front of melech is pathetic

    It is funny how all the Hinduphobic talking points used by chrislamist jihadis find mention in you

    It doesn’t matter what family you were born in convent schools have made you our enemy

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    Periyar molested his own female relatives
     
    That is a bad thing he did. He was not perfect.
    , @Malla

    in front of melech
     
    Mlech? What do you say about this Mlech?

    http://maddy06.blogspot.in/2010/06/that-man-stuart.html

    Presenting CHARLES 'HINDOO' STUART......
    From the above website
    "Major-General Charles Stuart (circa 1758 - 1828) was an officer in the British Army in India and is well known for being one of the few British officers to embrace Hindu culture while stationed in India. In history books he has been titled a mild mannered, kind and benevolent colonel, with a delicate health, but from his obituary and Fisch’s study, it is clear he was promoted to Major General by 1814, commanding regiments of the native infantry. Stuart in the course of his stay adopted several Indian customs, including chewing pan and bathing in the Ganges at Calcutta every morning, as well as amassing a collection of deities and Indian clothes. He encouraged European ladies in India to adopt the sari and allowed Indian sepoys to wear tikha’s and full moustaches while on parade. "

    Stuart is well known for being one of the few British officers to embrace Hindu Culture while stationed in India. Interestingly he lived in both worlds, living not only an Indian life but also making sure that he did not lose the British tastes. Seeing the degree of Stuart's inclination towards Hinduism, fellow British coined the term 'went native' mentioning him and he earned the nickname 'Hindoo' Stuart.
    His peaceful military career might have induced him to develop a great concern towards the dress, discipline and adaptation to the oriental Hindu culture.

    He had a Brahmin wife, he used to bathe in the Ganges every morning and wore 'dhoti', the traditional Indian male clothing. There he used to offer puja to idols and worship the Ganges.

    He used to collect idols of Hindu deities from across the country, either on his own or through agents. He had hundreds of them, from small lingams to monumental statues, many of them of excellent quality.


    In 1801, Stuart wrote a series of letters to the editor of the Calcutta newspaper - The Telegraph on the dress of European ladies in the East. He recommended to European ladies in India a fashion which was very close to Indian style. He suggested "elegant, simple, sensible and sensual" Indian Saris instead of the 'Busk's wore by the memsahebs. One of his logic rejecting the busk was that the busk with long pieces of steel makes women highly susceptible to lightning strikes !!

    During his stay at Saugor (1819-1822) he built a temple there which is said to exists till date.


    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-m8WiG2bgUCw/VlSe7_GLaFI/AAAAAAAAA3c/FX-cuLwL5Bs/s1600/1.png

    Check out his Hindu Temple like Mausoleum in Calcutta!!

    You say British Mlech were anti Hindu and pro Muslim. That is just false

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  50. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Malla
    One should read the writings of Periyar E. V. Ramasamy
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Periyar_E._V._Ramasamy

    “The Jews are only interested in themselves, and nobody else. They somehow contrive to have the rulers in their pocket, participate in governance and conspire to torture and suck the lives out of other citizens in order that they live (in comfort).” These blatantly anti-Jewish lines were penned on March 20, 1938.
    These are the next lines: “Are they not comparable to the Brahmins who too have no responsibility but have the rulers in their pocket, have entered the ruling dispensation and been lording over (all of us)?”

    This is Periyar E.V. Ramasamy writing in his magazine Kudiyarasu, and he is being unusually mild here. (Naan Sonnal Unakku Yen Kopam Vara Vendum, vol. 4, p. 532, compiled by Pasu. Gowthaman)

    In all his agitations – and he had many – the lowest common denominator was the Brahmin. Even while criticising non-Brahmin national leaders like Gandhi, Subhash Chandra Bose and Sardar Vallabhai Patel, Periyar said that they were all victims of a Brahmin conspiracy. He said, that Gandhi was killed by Brahmins because Gandhi was turning into a Periyar himself! Periyar and his disciples attributed grand conspiracies and clever manipulations by Brahmins for the plight of the non-Brahmins.

    Periyar’s was an attack on brahminical ideas of ‘philosophy’. For him philosophy was not a specific intellectual activity of the Brahmins and nor were they considered to be specialists or professionals above the masses. He forced the subalterns to understand that the Brahmanical conception of the world is something external to the organic intellectual world of the masses. His refusal to take part in Brahmanical discourses of language and his dismissal of epics like the Ramayana or Mahabharata
    has to be seen in this context.

    Periyar’s conviction was that after the end of British rule , independent India, under what he believed would be Brahmin rule, would be worse if there were not adequate checks and balances to curtail the dominance of the Brahmin castes. He gave credit to the agency of the native elite castes for using colonial institutions and bureaucracy to their own advantage. Anti-colonialist theorists like Frantz Fanon and Amilcar Cabral too have taken similar approaches to the native elites, of
    course in their own contexts.

    He wanted the British to continue to remain in power – while simultaneously complaining that they were succumbing to the machinations of the Brahmins.

    He once said
    “Hindu society as such does not exist. It is only a collection of castes. […] Indeed the ideal Hindu must be like a rat living in his own hole refusing to have any contact with others. […] There is no Hindu consciousness of kind. In every Hindu the consciousness that exists is the consciousness of his caste. That is the reason why the Hindus cannot be said to form a society or a nation. There are however many Indians whose patriotism does not permit them to admit that Indians are not a
    nation, that they are only an amorphous mass of people.”

    At times, Periyar issued blood-curdling threats to Brahmins, but in action he did not believe in violence. Many of his black-shirted followers were fine individuals personally. At the same time, Periyar was also paranoid that democracy would result in Brahmins completely taking over the reins of the government. His words: “India should never go anywhere near democratic principles. The reason is 90% of our population are fools and 97% of them are persons of low birth. How will their rule set right our country?” (Periyar’s writings compiled by Pasu. Gowthaman, vol. 4, 2017, p. 432)

    Another case in point followed in 1968, when, in Tanjore district, 44 Dalits were butchered by the goons of a landlord. Periyar commented on the murders thus: “So long as democracy exists, the honest will have no other option except to fade away, giving the dishonest room to dance around. The people of India are barbarians. The harma of India is the dharma of criminal tribes. As long as the ones who follow Manu dharma exist, the nation will never have discipline, integrity, honesty and justice. India has gone into the hands of scoundrels after the departure of the British.”

    There is no doubt that Periyar genuinely wanted the Dalits to break out of the shackles of caste oppression. He was miffed that the Constitution did not provide reservations for non-Brahmins. He accused Ambedkar for selling himself to the Brahmins: “The Brahmins had paid him a price. The price is this: he asked for 10% reservation and they gave him 15%. They knew that even if they gave him 25%, not even three or four percent of qualified people would be available [among the Dalits].
    He accepted the Constitution written by the Brahmins and signed on the dotted lines. He did not think about others.” (Periyar E.V.R. Chintanaikal, Anaimuthu, 1974, p. 1,860)

    Periyar was uncompromisingly opposed to Brahmanism. Throughout his life, Periyar polemically attacked the ritual status of the Brahmin: the privileges the Hindu religion bestows upon him, his caste purity, his role in maintaining caste hierarchy, his role in engendering patriarchy and his monopoly over the state apparatus. Brahmanism as an ideology was embodied in the agent of the Brahmin and an emancipatory politics was impossible without dislodging Brahmin overrepresentation in the
    public sphere. But Periyar was not playing a narrow identity politics here; on the contrary, he was accusing Brahmanism of reducing human beings who deserved self-respect into narrow caste clusters in strife with each other, to the benefit of those at the top. And he was also aware of the problem of castes stepping on each other to climb the pecking order.

    It is nobody’s case that the Brahmins were angels. They were arrogant, casteist and possessed a general contempt for the ‘unwashed’ millions, and even the washed others. Then again, they were not alone. However the oppressing classes belonged to a wider spectrum. The upper caste non-brahmins, many of whom were landlords, money lenders, traders and merchants--they, too, were part of the machinery of oppression.

    In 1925, Periyar stressed that communal representation was more important for the Dalits than the intermediate castes. Not only was he fairly consistent on this position, but he was also unsparing in his criticism that the casteism practiced between non-Brahmins was more cruel than the one that Brahmins practiced against others. Periyar was sincerely aware of the problems within the secular project of non-Brahmanism, and how the non-Brahmin intermediate castes had a tendency to look
    down upon Dalits by being relatively superior in a hierarchical society. Likewise, it was common for Periyar to speak at meetings of intermediate castes, where members of these castes would be there by the thousands, and chide them acerbically for their notions of superiority over the Dalits. He located the ideological source of caste oppression in Brahmanism and found the Brahmins to be its greatest beneficiaries; that doesn’t make him a defence lawyer for intermediate castes who committed crimes against the Dalits. Periyar fully agreed with Ambedkar’s observation in Annihilation of Caste that “All are slaves of the caste system. But all the slaves are not equal in status.”

    He critiqued Hindi and Sanskrit and rejected them for their lack of democratic and liberating potential for the masses. Equally, he was also critical of Tamil and glorification of Tamil pasts. In critiquing the upper caste non-Brahmin Tamil intellectuals’ glorification of archaic Tamil, he constantly reminded them the need of such intellectual activity to be immersed in the lives and experiences of the masses. He condemned Tamil purists for the lack of respectable words for women and lower castes in classical Tamil texts and for the lack of rational ideas. At certain occasions, he also advocated the Tamils to abandon their language and learn English. Periyar was for a truly transformed language that would offer critical awareness to the masses enabling them to transform their oppressive conditions.

    Elite Brahmin contempt for Periyar’s ideology of anti-Brahmanism has a long history.

    You’re the type who makes fun of Hindu society & Devas but are silent towards muslim christian you’re just some weird liberal who thinks democratic egalitarian values have any scientific validity.

    Go read the behavioral genetics page you cuck।।

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    You’re the type who makes fun of Hindu society & Devas but are silent towards muslim christian
     
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    Not true, I have criticized both the above religions on Unz and other places.

    I will repost my criticism of Christianity for you
    Like the one below

    Why only Protestantism? Maybe all of Christianity have some suicidal tendencies.

    http://www.revilo-oliver.com/news/2010/09/what-is-‘liberalism’/

    “Liberals” babble bout “One World,” which is to be a “universal democracy” and is “inevitable,” and they thus describe it in the very terms in which the notion was formulated, two thousand years ago, by Philo Judaeus, when he cleverly gave a Stoic coloring to the old Jewish dream of a globe in which all the lower races would obey the masters whom Yahweh, by covenant, appointed to rule over them. And the “Liberal” cults, having rejected the Christian doctrine of “original sin,” which, although based on a silly myth about Adam and Eve, corresponded fairly well to the facts of human nature, have even reverted to the most pernicious aspect of Christianity, which common sense had held in check in Europe until the Eighteenth Century; and they openly exhibit the morbid Christian fascination with whatever is lowly, proletarian, inferior, irrational, debased, deformed, and degenerate. This maudlin preoccupation with biological refuse, usually sicklied over with such nonsense words as ‘underprivileged [!],’ would make sense, if it had been decreed by a god who perversely chose to become incarnate among the most pestiferous of human races and to select his disciples from among the illiterate dregs of even that peuplade, but since the “Liberals” claim to have rejected belief in such a divinity, their superstition is exposed as having no basis other than their own resentment of their betters and their professional interest in exploiting the gullibility of their compatriots.
     
    I had posted the post below in Unz.com on November 19th

    “Christianity was better than most religions”
    Christianity is good but Zoroastrianism is better, closer to the Aryan soul and does not have the self hate ‘born a sinner’ mentality of Christianity. Christianity is good but you just cannot remove the Semitic crap at it’s core.

    https://authenticgathazoroastrianism.org/2016/08/04/immortality-and-the-eternal-quest-for-excellence/

    https://authenticgathazoroastrianism.org/2013/01/03/is-god-the-mirror-image-of-man-in-zoroastrianism/

    https://authenticgathazoroastrianism.org/2013/08/12/the-poetic-gathas-according-and-will-to-become-godlike/

    https://authenticgathazoroastrianism.org/2012/11/22/why-do-bad-things-happen-to-the-innocent-and-the-good/

    This religion is Aryanism concentrated and can be easily adopted by the European mind and soul.

    https://authenticgathazoroastrianism.org/2016/10/17/moslem-designation-of-the-vikings-as-majus-or-heathen-zoroastrians-and-the-maga-fellowship-of-zarathustra/

    https://authenticgathazoroastrianism.org/2017/03/06/frya-or-love-in-the-gathas-old-norse-freya-and-frigg/

    https://authenticgathazoroastrianism.org/2011/10/17/ayathrima-the-last-autumnal-thanksgiving-festival-and-celtic-samhain/
     
    , @Malla

    You’re the type who makes fun of Hindu society & Devas but are silent towards muslim
     
    I have criticized Islam on Unz.com on september 13th 2017 at
    https://www.unz.com/comments/article/the-camp-of-the-saints-this-centurys-1984/

    Muslims have been used by Zionists for centuries to attain their aims.
    Besides, Islam itself was started by the ancestors of the Zionists to use Arabs as a tool to destroy the Persian and Byzantine Empires. This is the Persian Empire which saved the Jews from Babylon during the reign of Cyrus the Great, the same Persian Empire whose government the Zionists themselves controlled, the same Persian Empire where the Zionists of that time killed the Persian nationalist Haman and his sons. The Byzantines had barred Jews from any position of power or from banking however they were permitted to stay as normal subjects. The Byzantines had to go.

    http://thechristiansolution.com/tcs_book/SupportDocs_TCS/TCS158.htm

    http://www.thechristiansolution.com/Exilarch.html

    https://exposingthelieofislam.wordpress.com/the-truth-about-the-origins-and-spread-of-islam-how-the-jews-developed-the-program-of-islam-to-invade-and-destroy-the-east/

    Of course Islam, like Christianity, went out of their control and Islam became an Arab project and then a Muslim project including non Arab Muslims (Ajams) under the Abbasid Caliphate period

    Also many are convinced that the Saudi royal family is Jewish

    https://www.memri.org/tv/pro-syrian-former-lebanese-minister-wiam-wahhab-saudi-royal-family-was-originally-jewish-was

    https://concisepolitics.com/2016/04/28/the-documented-jewish-roots-of-saudi-royal-family/

    http://www.conspiracyschool.com/blog/2002-iraqi-intel-reported-wahhabis-are-jewish-origin

    http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2015/05/saudis-attacking-houthis-because-saud.html

    The chosen people Elites used White/Western/Christian armies to invade the Middle East for oil, benefit of Israel etc… using propaganda and media manipulation to fool the common people of the West (They hate our democracy) and then invite the same middle eastern peoples and the common people of the West have to pick up the bill. The whole plan is brilliant.
    So what I think is that Zionists are gonna destroy Europe and the West using Muslims (and blacks and others). Native Europeans are being made passive and weak full of guilt and self hate via Christian churches, media, education, guilt, fear of the word “racist” etc… while Muslims are allowed to enter and then are exposed to Jewish Wahabi ideology via the Jewish Saudi family as well as Marxist ideology about colonialism and the evil White man .
     
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  51. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Malla
    One should read the writings of Periyar E. V. Ramasamy
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Periyar_E._V._Ramasamy

    “The Jews are only interested in themselves, and nobody else. They somehow contrive to have the rulers in their pocket, participate in governance and conspire to torture and suck the lives out of other citizens in order that they live (in comfort).” These blatantly anti-Jewish lines were penned on March 20, 1938.
    These are the next lines: “Are they not comparable to the Brahmins who too have no responsibility but have the rulers in their pocket, have entered the ruling dispensation and been lording over (all of us)?”

    This is Periyar E.V. Ramasamy writing in his magazine Kudiyarasu, and he is being unusually mild here. (Naan Sonnal Unakku Yen Kopam Vara Vendum, vol. 4, p. 532, compiled by Pasu. Gowthaman)

    In all his agitations – and he had many – the lowest common denominator was the Brahmin. Even while criticising non-Brahmin national leaders like Gandhi, Subhash Chandra Bose and Sardar Vallabhai Patel, Periyar said that they were all victims of a Brahmin conspiracy. He said, that Gandhi was killed by Brahmins because Gandhi was turning into a Periyar himself! Periyar and his disciples attributed grand conspiracies and clever manipulations by Brahmins for the plight of the non-Brahmins.

    Periyar’s was an attack on brahminical ideas of ‘philosophy’. For him philosophy was not a specific intellectual activity of the Brahmins and nor were they considered to be specialists or professionals above the masses. He forced the subalterns to understand that the Brahmanical conception of the world is something external to the organic intellectual world of the masses. His refusal to take part in Brahmanical discourses of language and his dismissal of epics like the Ramayana or Mahabharata
    has to be seen in this context.

    Periyar’s conviction was that after the end of British rule , independent India, under what he believed would be Brahmin rule, would be worse if there were not adequate checks and balances to curtail the dominance of the Brahmin castes. He gave credit to the agency of the native elite castes for using colonial institutions and bureaucracy to their own advantage. Anti-colonialist theorists like Frantz Fanon and Amilcar Cabral too have taken similar approaches to the native elites, of
    course in their own contexts.

    He wanted the British to continue to remain in power – while simultaneously complaining that they were succumbing to the machinations of the Brahmins.

    He once said
    “Hindu society as such does not exist. It is only a collection of castes. […] Indeed the ideal Hindu must be like a rat living in his own hole refusing to have any contact with others. […] There is no Hindu consciousness of kind. In every Hindu the consciousness that exists is the consciousness of his caste. That is the reason why the Hindus cannot be said to form a society or a nation. There are however many Indians whose patriotism does not permit them to admit that Indians are not a
    nation, that they are only an amorphous mass of people.”

    At times, Periyar issued blood-curdling threats to Brahmins, but in action he did not believe in violence. Many of his black-shirted followers were fine individuals personally. At the same time, Periyar was also paranoid that democracy would result in Brahmins completely taking over the reins of the government. His words: “India should never go anywhere near democratic principles. The reason is 90% of our population are fools and 97% of them are persons of low birth. How will their rule set right our country?” (Periyar’s writings compiled by Pasu. Gowthaman, vol. 4, 2017, p. 432)

    Another case in point followed in 1968, when, in Tanjore district, 44 Dalits were butchered by the goons of a landlord. Periyar commented on the murders thus: “So long as democracy exists, the honest will have no other option except to fade away, giving the dishonest room to dance around. The people of India are barbarians. The harma of India is the dharma of criminal tribes. As long as the ones who follow Manu dharma exist, the nation will never have discipline, integrity, honesty and justice. India has gone into the hands of scoundrels after the departure of the British.”

    There is no doubt that Periyar genuinely wanted the Dalits to break out of the shackles of caste oppression. He was miffed that the Constitution did not provide reservations for non-Brahmins. He accused Ambedkar for selling himself to the Brahmins: “The Brahmins had paid him a price. The price is this: he asked for 10% reservation and they gave him 15%. They knew that even if they gave him 25%, not even three or four percent of qualified people would be available [among the Dalits].
    He accepted the Constitution written by the Brahmins and signed on the dotted lines. He did not think about others.” (Periyar E.V.R. Chintanaikal, Anaimuthu, 1974, p. 1,860)

    Periyar was uncompromisingly opposed to Brahmanism. Throughout his life, Periyar polemically attacked the ritual status of the Brahmin: the privileges the Hindu religion bestows upon him, his caste purity, his role in maintaining caste hierarchy, his role in engendering patriarchy and his monopoly over the state apparatus. Brahmanism as an ideology was embodied in the agent of the Brahmin and an emancipatory politics was impossible without dislodging Brahmin overrepresentation in the
    public sphere. But Periyar was not playing a narrow identity politics here; on the contrary, he was accusing Brahmanism of reducing human beings who deserved self-respect into narrow caste clusters in strife with each other, to the benefit of those at the top. And he was also aware of the problem of castes stepping on each other to climb the pecking order.

    It is nobody’s case that the Brahmins were angels. They were arrogant, casteist and possessed a general contempt for the ‘unwashed’ millions, and even the washed others. Then again, they were not alone. However the oppressing classes belonged to a wider spectrum. The upper caste non-brahmins, many of whom were landlords, money lenders, traders and merchants--they, too, were part of the machinery of oppression.

    In 1925, Periyar stressed that communal representation was more important for the Dalits than the intermediate castes. Not only was he fairly consistent on this position, but he was also unsparing in his criticism that the casteism practiced between non-Brahmins was more cruel than the one that Brahmins practiced against others. Periyar was sincerely aware of the problems within the secular project of non-Brahmanism, and how the non-Brahmin intermediate castes had a tendency to look
    down upon Dalits by being relatively superior in a hierarchical society. Likewise, it was common for Periyar to speak at meetings of intermediate castes, where members of these castes would be there by the thousands, and chide them acerbically for their notions of superiority over the Dalits. He located the ideological source of caste oppression in Brahmanism and found the Brahmins to be its greatest beneficiaries; that doesn’t make him a defence lawyer for intermediate castes who committed crimes against the Dalits. Periyar fully agreed with Ambedkar’s observation in Annihilation of Caste that “All are slaves of the caste system. But all the slaves are not equal in status.”

    He critiqued Hindi and Sanskrit and rejected them for their lack of democratic and liberating potential for the masses. Equally, he was also critical of Tamil and glorification of Tamil pasts. In critiquing the upper caste non-Brahmin Tamil intellectuals’ glorification of archaic Tamil, he constantly reminded them the need of such intellectual activity to be immersed in the lives and experiences of the masses. He condemned Tamil purists for the lack of respectable words for women and lower castes in classical Tamil texts and for the lack of rational ideas. At certain occasions, he also advocated the Tamils to abandon their language and learn English. Periyar was for a truly transformed language that would offer critical awareness to the masses enabling them to transform their oppressive conditions.

    Elite Brahmin contempt for Periyar’s ideology of anti-Brahmanism has a long history.

    Same judiciary who bans Hindu festivals under false pretext but protects Melech ones.

    Same Peta wishes Happy Eid but bans Jalikattu

    http://indiafacts.org/dahi-handi-debacle-edict-thessalonica-attack-hindu-traditions/

    & no abrahamics have always criticized Pagan priest to point where even Euro Pagan see this. Largest Brahmin pop is in UP & UK lol not rich states.

    The South Indian jealousy of Brahmin make sense if there’s 20+ avg iq difference & some other explanation beside inherent intelligence is sought out.

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    Same judiciary who bans Hindu festivals under false pretext but protects Melech ones.

    Same Peta wishes Happy Eid but bans Jalikattu
     

    Both Jalikattu & Eid sacrifice of animals to Allah should be banned. Both are evil in my personal opinion but Eid sacrifices are even worse than Jallikattu. The Indian government must ban both. Even halal should be banned and only Jhatka allowed.
    , @Malla

    The South Indian jealousy of Brahmin make sense if there’s 20+ avg iq difference & some other explanation beside inherent intelligence is sought out.
     
    IQ jealousy by lower caste South Indians towards Brahmins huh? Yeah I agree, upper castes tend to have higher IQ than lower castes. Cool. Then can we say that we Indians were jealous of the British rulers because of IQ gap between the British and us. Because the British have higher IQ (average 100) than us. Can we say that the anti China feelings in India is due to jealousy towards the Chinese due to difference in IQ because the Chinese have higher IQ (100+) than us.
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  52. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Iberiano
    The interesting thing is, out here in California, the only SJWs I really ever see or hear of/from are whites...most West Coast Latinos, and to a greater extent, Asians, have no interest or need to adopt any of the SJW positions.

    Look below 25

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  53. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Malla
    One should read the writings of Periyar E. V. Ramasamy
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Periyar_E._V._Ramasamy

    “The Jews are only interested in themselves, and nobody else. They somehow contrive to have the rulers in their pocket, participate in governance and conspire to torture and suck the lives out of other citizens in order that they live (in comfort).” These blatantly anti-Jewish lines were penned on March 20, 1938.
    These are the next lines: “Are they not comparable to the Brahmins who too have no responsibility but have the rulers in their pocket, have entered the ruling dispensation and been lording over (all of us)?”

    This is Periyar E.V. Ramasamy writing in his magazine Kudiyarasu, and he is being unusually mild here. (Naan Sonnal Unakku Yen Kopam Vara Vendum, vol. 4, p. 532, compiled by Pasu. Gowthaman)

    In all his agitations – and he had many – the lowest common denominator was the Brahmin. Even while criticising non-Brahmin national leaders like Gandhi, Subhash Chandra Bose and Sardar Vallabhai Patel, Periyar said that they were all victims of a Brahmin conspiracy. He said, that Gandhi was killed by Brahmins because Gandhi was turning into a Periyar himself! Periyar and his disciples attributed grand conspiracies and clever manipulations by Brahmins for the plight of the non-Brahmins.

    Periyar’s was an attack on brahminical ideas of ‘philosophy’. For him philosophy was not a specific intellectual activity of the Brahmins and nor were they considered to be specialists or professionals above the masses. He forced the subalterns to understand that the Brahmanical conception of the world is something external to the organic intellectual world of the masses. His refusal to take part in Brahmanical discourses of language and his dismissal of epics like the Ramayana or Mahabharata
    has to be seen in this context.

    Periyar’s conviction was that after the end of British rule , independent India, under what he believed would be Brahmin rule, would be worse if there were not adequate checks and balances to curtail the dominance of the Brahmin castes. He gave credit to the agency of the native elite castes for using colonial institutions and bureaucracy to their own advantage. Anti-colonialist theorists like Frantz Fanon and Amilcar Cabral too have taken similar approaches to the native elites, of
    course in their own contexts.

    He wanted the British to continue to remain in power – while simultaneously complaining that they were succumbing to the machinations of the Brahmins.

    He once said
    “Hindu society as such does not exist. It is only a collection of castes. […] Indeed the ideal Hindu must be like a rat living in his own hole refusing to have any contact with others. […] There is no Hindu consciousness of kind. In every Hindu the consciousness that exists is the consciousness of his caste. That is the reason why the Hindus cannot be said to form a society or a nation. There are however many Indians whose patriotism does not permit them to admit that Indians are not a
    nation, that they are only an amorphous mass of people.”

    At times, Periyar issued blood-curdling threats to Brahmins, but in action he did not believe in violence. Many of his black-shirted followers were fine individuals personally. At the same time, Periyar was also paranoid that democracy would result in Brahmins completely taking over the reins of the government. His words: “India should never go anywhere near democratic principles. The reason is 90% of our population are fools and 97% of them are persons of low birth. How will their rule set right our country?” (Periyar’s writings compiled by Pasu. Gowthaman, vol. 4, 2017, p. 432)

    Another case in point followed in 1968, when, in Tanjore district, 44 Dalits were butchered by the goons of a landlord. Periyar commented on the murders thus: “So long as democracy exists, the honest will have no other option except to fade away, giving the dishonest room to dance around. The people of India are barbarians. The harma of India is the dharma of criminal tribes. As long as the ones who follow Manu dharma exist, the nation will never have discipline, integrity, honesty and justice. India has gone into the hands of scoundrels after the departure of the British.”

    There is no doubt that Periyar genuinely wanted the Dalits to break out of the shackles of caste oppression. He was miffed that the Constitution did not provide reservations for non-Brahmins. He accused Ambedkar for selling himself to the Brahmins: “The Brahmins had paid him a price. The price is this: he asked for 10% reservation and they gave him 15%. They knew that even if they gave him 25%, not even three or four percent of qualified people would be available [among the Dalits].
    He accepted the Constitution written by the Brahmins and signed on the dotted lines. He did not think about others.” (Periyar E.V.R. Chintanaikal, Anaimuthu, 1974, p. 1,860)

    Periyar was uncompromisingly opposed to Brahmanism. Throughout his life, Periyar polemically attacked the ritual status of the Brahmin: the privileges the Hindu religion bestows upon him, his caste purity, his role in maintaining caste hierarchy, his role in engendering patriarchy and his monopoly over the state apparatus. Brahmanism as an ideology was embodied in the agent of the Brahmin and an emancipatory politics was impossible without dislodging Brahmin overrepresentation in the
    public sphere. But Periyar was not playing a narrow identity politics here; on the contrary, he was accusing Brahmanism of reducing human beings who deserved self-respect into narrow caste clusters in strife with each other, to the benefit of those at the top. And he was also aware of the problem of castes stepping on each other to climb the pecking order.

    It is nobody’s case that the Brahmins were angels. They were arrogant, casteist and possessed a general contempt for the ‘unwashed’ millions, and even the washed others. Then again, they were not alone. However the oppressing classes belonged to a wider spectrum. The upper caste non-brahmins, many of whom were landlords, money lenders, traders and merchants--they, too, were part of the machinery of oppression.

    In 1925, Periyar stressed that communal representation was more important for the Dalits than the intermediate castes. Not only was he fairly consistent on this position, but he was also unsparing in his criticism that the casteism practiced between non-Brahmins was more cruel than the one that Brahmins practiced against others. Periyar was sincerely aware of the problems within the secular project of non-Brahmanism, and how the non-Brahmin intermediate castes had a tendency to look
    down upon Dalits by being relatively superior in a hierarchical society. Likewise, it was common for Periyar to speak at meetings of intermediate castes, where members of these castes would be there by the thousands, and chide them acerbically for their notions of superiority over the Dalits. He located the ideological source of caste oppression in Brahmanism and found the Brahmins to be its greatest beneficiaries; that doesn’t make him a defence lawyer for intermediate castes who committed crimes against the Dalits. Periyar fully agreed with Ambedkar’s observation in Annihilation of Caste that “All are slaves of the caste system. But all the slaves are not equal in status.”

    He critiqued Hindi and Sanskrit and rejected them for their lack of democratic and liberating potential for the masses. Equally, he was also critical of Tamil and glorification of Tamil pasts. In critiquing the upper caste non-Brahmin Tamil intellectuals’ glorification of archaic Tamil, he constantly reminded them the need of such intellectual activity to be immersed in the lives and experiences of the masses. He condemned Tamil purists for the lack of respectable words for women and lower castes in classical Tamil texts and for the lack of rational ideas. At certain occasions, he also advocated the Tamils to abandon their language and learn English. Periyar was for a truly transformed language that would offer critical awareness to the masses enabling them to transform their oppressive conditions.

    Elite Brahmin contempt for Periyar’s ideology of anti-Brahmanism has a long history.

    Periyar encouraged goons to molest Brahmin women & rip off their sacred threads।।

    https://mobile.twitter.com/blog_supplement/status/948781080781512704

    The idea that any difference in performance between any groups must be result of discrimination is the problem।।

    We see it in many civilizations anyway let’s conclude this argument over this site & take it elsewhere.

    Send email to Jatt47@mail.com you can make easy account with many suffix like @asia.com @reincarnate.com etc to use as ‘spam account’ of sorts।।

    ਜੈਸ਼੍ਰੀਰਾਮ।।

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  54. Malla says:
    @Anon
    Wikipedia is Hinduwadi Propaganda now. Periyar molested his own female relatives you're just a christian at heart

    Your sjw nonsense & thinking you're doing some good by disparaging your own civ in front of melech is pathetic

    It is funny how all the Hinduphobic talking points used by chrislamist jihadis find mention in you

    It doesn't matter what family you were born in convent schools have made you our enemy

    Periyar molested his own female relatives

    That is a bad thing he did. He was not perfect.

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  55. Malla says:
    @Iberiano
    The interesting thing is, out here in California, the only SJWs I really ever see or hear of/from are whites...most West Coast Latinos, and to a greater extent, Asians, have no interest or need to adopt any of the SJW positions.

    The interesting thing is, out here in California, the only SJWs I really ever see or hear of/from are whites

    Self hating Whites. Brainwashing via media and education system and perverted Christian guilt.

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  56. Malla says:
    @Anon
    You're the type who makes fun of Hindu society & Devas but are silent towards muslim christian you're just some weird liberal who thinks democratic egalitarian values have any scientific validity.

    Go read the behavioral genetics page you cuck।।

    You’re the type who makes fun of Hindu society & Devas but are silent towards muslim christian

    \
    Not true, I have criticized both the above religions on Unz and other places.

    I will repost my criticism of Christianity for you
    Like the one below

    Why only Protestantism? Maybe all of Christianity have some suicidal tendencies.

    http://www.revilo-oliver.com/news/2010/09/what-is-‘liberalism’/

    “Liberals” babble bout “One World,” which is to be a “universal democracy” and is “inevitable,” and they thus describe it in the very terms in which the notion was formulated, two thousand years ago, by Philo Judaeus, when he cleverly gave a Stoic coloring to the old Jewish dream of a globe in which all the lower races would obey the masters whom Yahweh, by covenant, appointed to rule over them. And the “Liberal” cults, having rejected the Christian doctrine of “original sin,” which, although based on a silly myth about Adam and Eve, corresponded fairly well to the facts of human nature, have even reverted to the most pernicious aspect of Christianity, which common sense had held in check in Europe until the Eighteenth Century; and they openly exhibit the morbid Christian fascination with whatever is lowly, proletarian, inferior, irrational, debased, deformed, and degenerate. This maudlin preoccupation with biological refuse, usually sicklied over with such nonsense words as ‘underprivileged [!],’ would make sense, if it had been decreed by a god who perversely chose to become incarnate among the most pestiferous of human races and to select his disciples from among the illiterate dregs of even that peuplade, but since the “Liberals” claim to have rejected belief in such a divinity, their superstition is exposed as having no basis other than their own resentment of their betters and their professional interest in exploiting the gullibility of their compatriots.

    I had posted the post below in Unz.com on November 19th

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  57. Malla says:
    @Anon
    Same judiciary who bans Hindu festivals under false pretext but protects Melech ones.

    Same Peta wishes Happy Eid but bans Jalikattu

    http://indiafacts.org/dahi-handi-debacle-edict-thessalonica-attack-hindu-traditions/

    & no abrahamics have always criticized Pagan priest to point where even Euro Pagan see this. Largest Brahmin pop is in UP & UK lol not rich states.

    The South Indian jealousy of Brahmin make sense if there's 20+ avg iq difference & some other explanation beside inherent intelligence is sought out.

    Same judiciary who bans Hindu festivals under false pretext but protects Melech ones.

    Same Peta wishes Happy Eid but bans Jalikattu

    Both Jalikattu & Eid sacrifice of animals to Allah should be banned. Both are evil in my personal opinion but Eid sacrifices are even worse than Jallikattu. The Indian government must ban both. Even halal should be banned and only Jhatka allowed.

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    @Anon
    You're the type who makes fun of Hindu society & Devas but are silent towards muslim christian you're just some weird liberal who thinks democratic egalitarian values have any scientific validity.

    Go read the behavioral genetics page you cuck।।

    You’re the type who makes fun of Hindu society & Devas but are silent towards muslim

    I have criticized Islam on Unz.com on september 13th 2017 at

    https://www.unz.com/comments/article/the-camp-of-the-saints-this-centurys-1984/

    [MORE]

    Muslims have been used by Zionists for centuries to attain their aims.
    Besides, Islam itself was started by the ancestors of the Zionists to use Arabs as a tool to destroy the Persian and Byzantine Empires. This is the Persian Empire which saved the Jews from Babylon during the reign of Cyrus the Great, the same Persian Empire whose government the Zionists themselves controlled, the same Persian Empire where the Zionists of that time killed the Persian nationalist Haman and his sons. The Byzantines had barred Jews from any position of power or from banking however they were permitted to stay as normal subjects. The Byzantines had to go.

    http://thechristiansolution.com/tcs_book/SupportDocs_TCS/TCS158.htm

    http://www.thechristiansolution.com/Exilarch.html

    https://exposingthelieofislam.wordpress.com/the-truth-about-the-origins-and-spread-of-islam-how-the-jews-developed-the-program-of-islam-to-invade-and-destroy-the-east/

    Of course Islam, like Christianity, went out of their control and Islam became an Arab project and then a Muslim project including non Arab Muslims (Ajams) under the Abbasid Caliphate period

    Also many are convinced that the Saudi royal family is Jewish

    https://www.memri.org/tv/pro-syrian-former-lebanese-minister-wiam-wahhab-saudi-royal-family-was-originally-jewish-was

    https://concisepolitics.com/2016/04/28/the-documented-jewish-roots-of-saudi-royal-family/

    http://www.conspiracyschool.com/blog/2002-iraqi-intel-reported-wahhabis-are-jewish-origin

    http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2015/05/saudis-attacking-houthis-because-saud.html

    The chosen people Elites used White/Western/Christian armies to invade the Middle East for oil, benefit of Israel etc… using propaganda and media manipulation to fool the common people of the West (They hate our democracy) and then invite the same middle eastern peoples and the common people of the West have to pick up the bill. The whole plan is brilliant.
    So what I think is that Zionists are gonna destroy Europe and the West using Muslims (and blacks and others). Native Europeans are being made passive and weak full of guilt and self hate via Christian churches, media, education, guilt, fear of the word “racist” etc… while Muslims are allowed to enter and then are exposed to Jewish Wahabi ideology via the Jewish Saudi family as well as Marxist ideology about colonialism and the evil White man .

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    @Anon
    Same judiciary who bans Hindu festivals under false pretext but protects Melech ones.

    Same Peta wishes Happy Eid but bans Jalikattu

    http://indiafacts.org/dahi-handi-debacle-edict-thessalonica-attack-hindu-traditions/

    & no abrahamics have always criticized Pagan priest to point where even Euro Pagan see this. Largest Brahmin pop is in UP & UK lol not rich states.

    The South Indian jealousy of Brahmin make sense if there's 20+ avg iq difference & some other explanation beside inherent intelligence is sought out.

    The South Indian jealousy of Brahmin make sense if there’s 20+ avg iq difference & some other explanation beside inherent intelligence is sought out.

    IQ jealousy by lower caste South Indians towards Brahmins huh? Yeah I agree, upper castes tend to have higher IQ than lower castes. Cool. Then can we say that we Indians were jealous of the British rulers because of IQ gap between the British and us. Because the British have higher IQ (average 100) than us. Can we say that the anti China feelings in India is due to jealousy towards the Chinese due to difference in IQ because the Chinese have higher IQ (100+) than us.

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    @Anon
    Untouchability is not found historically in Hinduism. Rajputs had marital alliances with Bhils, Iklavya's family did as well.

    Sage Valmiki Was Reformed from being outcaste.

    Nyara Sutra as Mahabharat is knowledge of a butcher.

    The Pandavs went Sri Krishna Ji himself to welcome a Shudra family.

    Many of the Dalits are actually from upper caste individuals who were made outcaste by muslims.

    An example is the policy of forcing Ksytrias to carry the waste of muslims on their head. The punishment for this in Manusmriti is banishment of both who do this.

    Same Manusmriti says it is law to give land to one who tills it. Nothing in feudalism which came with islam

    Untouchability is recent phenomenon sometimes say after 15th C AD widespread. Likely came with Khiljis

    Why don't you read of their brutality? Like how tughlaq moved the capital many times and anyone not able to keep up was killed.

    It's a fact that the largest genocide in history is the Hindu genocide in the muslim invasions. The british policy of creating famine where rebellious tendencies existed & then sending in missionaries to split the society is well known.

    A curious paradox is many converts are from the upper castes. This is true in Islam in the famous Madras famine half the Dalits of the city starved not one converted.

    Certainly there were Brahmin collaborators but much of the vitriol against them is written by and for those ignorant of Hindu civilization.

    Example they talk of Brahmin wealth when a good Brahmin is one who begs. In compiling a list of oppressed castes in the Delhi Punjab area Guru Gobind Singh Ji famously included Brahmins there.

    It's a fact that majority of the students in Takshila & Nalanda university were Shudra. If you read Fa Hien, Chinese Traveler and Megasthenes, Selucid Diplomat, accounts of India you will change your tune.

    Both said the Indian common man is the most prosperous and care free in the world. What changed after was incessant incursion by Turks.

    Our Rishis recognized the inherent inequality of man, even Dasam Guru Granth Sahib Ji says Varna comes from Akal Purakh.

    https://www.counter-currents.com/2017/06/the-genetic-limits-of-social-mobility/

    http://www.socialmatter.net/2016/12/16/a-brief-defense-of-the-hereditarian-caste-system/

    http://thefutureprimaeval.net/material-and-social-technologies/

    Even the Celts had Sati it's an old Indo European tradition and existed where women had more value actually. In places where women had greater status and honor than say Greece/Rome (non existent) vs German/Norse & Celtic.

    You should read the stories of young widows both during British & Mughal times. One Widow in front of Akbar burnt her own arm to a crisp to protest her not being allowed to Sati & he had to relent।।

    In front of the Brits a young 16 year Widow of Bengal burnt her own finger off with a candle, the officer got out of the way, and she became Sati.

    Sati Mata Ki Jai!

    If you understand the mosaic distinction or the idea that all philosophy before us or outside our tradition is false, then you would have no kind words for Christianity, Islam, Judaism or Liberalism.

    They prevent the vertical transfer of knowledge

    https://devayasna.wordpress.com/2017/01/17/religion-counter-religion-and-the-weirdness-of-modernity
    http://thefutureprimaeval.net/a-short-argument-for-traditions/

    It is a Brahmin job to preserve tradition although there have been many reformers it is more so the Ksytria job to guide & reform society.

    Why do you not bring up the countless Brahmin freedom fighters & social reformers? Bhakti Saints.

    We are the only ones who can show our face to the world. A bunch of melech Abrahamics worshipping the destroyers of their ancestors have no say.

    Understand the difference between no salvation without Mohammad Christ vs All Paths lead to the same destination.

    https://vajrin.wordpress.com/2012/11/25/sarva-dharma-samabhava-an-astika-view/

    Read Sikh scripture Uggardanti Sahib

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6L9le5gF5bldUYyRnVwdXprQ1E/view?usp=drivesdk

    https://web.archive.org/web/20170404132933/https://www.manglacharan.com/manglacharan/2016/1/11/the-merit-of-being-of-warrior-from-dasam-and-sarbloh-granth

    https://www.manglacharan.com/home/praise-of-devi-dasam-granth

    https://www.manglacharan.com/home/sarbloh-avtar-s-updesh-to-indra

    https://www.manglacharan.com/home/the-reason-for-blue-bana-bansavalinama-1768

    Dadu, in contemplating the state of our Age of Darkness, if one hits you with a mud brick, ferociously strike back with a stone bolder."

    https://www.manglacharan.com/home/forgiveness-or-force-by-guru-gobind-singh

    https://www.manglacharan.com/home/this-is-how-the-singhs-fought-gur-sobha-1711

    https://www.manglacharan.com/home/worshipping-weapons-passage-from-suraj-prakash

    https://www.manglacharan.com/home/ugardanthi-explanation-bansavalinama
    https://www.manglacharan.com/home/importance-of-the-kamarkasa

    https://www.manglacharan.com/home/form-of-sarbloh-avtar

    https://www.manglacharan.com/home/lineage-and-shastarvidiya

    https://www.manglacharan.com/home/dussherra-importance-in-sikhi

    It's a fact that the west wants us to be a bastard race, like Filipinos & Latin Americans, who export women & their best abroad.

    It's a fact that muslim want us as slaves & eunuchs in their haram.

    Start doing weightlifting like stronglifts.com or starting Strength we know due to demographics there will come civil war to India within 2 decades.

    It's fact that not even west will give 20 lakh scholarship to abrahamic student for study like telangana does।।

    Guru Sahib has opened the path for Ksytria if you don't take it you will be ever regretful.

    If you're a Coward then we're done here.

    The Devas of every people have long hair & Weapons।।

    Guru Sahib has spoken that consider a man with Hair but no weapons as half a man।।

    Your heart is in the right place, A China who can destroy the Hindu Buddhist kingdoms of Xinjiang & create Muslim Malaysia Indonesia, An Islam that can enslave Crores, A Christian world can genocide 2 entire continents but it's the Brahmin who lives on alms who cannot show his face.

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾ।।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ।।

    Rajputs had marital alliances with Bhils, Iklavya’s family did as well.

    Of course they would have. Rajputs are descendants from Scythians. If they had not married native darkwomen they would have looked like British people.

    Historical Evidence for the Scythic Origin of Rajputs

    http://rajputana.htmlplanet.com/scy_raj/scy_raj1.html

    And who were these Scythian whose descendants was Lord Buddha himself.

    From

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scythians

    Early physical analyses have unanimously concluded that the Scythians, even those in the east (e.g. the Pazyryk region), possessed predominantly “Europid” features, although mixed ‘Euro-mongoloid” phenotypes also occur, depending on site and period.[116]

    In artworks, the Scythians are portrayed exhibiting European traits.[117] In Histories, the 5th-century Greek historian Herodotus describes the Budini of Scythia as red-haired and grey-eyed.[117] In the 5th century BC, Greek physician Hippocrates argued that the Scythians have purron (ruddy) skin.[117][118] In the 3rd century BC, the Greek poet Callimachus described the Arismapes (Arimaspi) of Scythia as fair-haired.[117][119] The 2nd century BC Han Chinese envoy Zhang Qian described the Sai (Scythians) as having yellow (probably meaning hazel or green), and blue eyes.[117] In Natural History, the 1st century AD Roman author Pliny the Elder characterises the Seres, sometimes identified as Iranians (Scythians) or Tocharians, as red-haired and blue-eyed.[117][120] In the late 2nd century AD, the Christian theologian Clement of Alexandria says that the Scythians are fair-haired.[117][121] The 2nd century Greek philosopher Polemon includes the Scythians among the northern peoples characterised by red hair and blue-grey eyes.[117] In the late 2nd or early 3rd century AD, the Greek physician Galen declares that Sarmatians, Scythians and other northern peoples have reddish hair.[117][122] The fourth-century Roman historian Ammianus Marcellinus wrote that the Alans, a people closely related to the Scythians, were tall, blond and light-eyed.[123] The 4th century bishop of Nyssa Gregory of Nyssa wrote that the Scythians were fair skinned and blond haired.[124] The 5th-century physician Adamantius, who often follow Polemon, describes the Scythians are fair-haired.[117][125]

    Do the Rajputs today look like Nordic Englishmen/Germans/Russians to you? Of course the Scythians married local dark women and became brown Caucasians like the warrior Rajputs.

    Lord Buddha himself came from an Indo Scythian royal family.

    http://thaimangoes.blogspot.in/2009/08/h9.html

    Lord Buddha had blue eyes.
    Look at the physical characteristics of the Mahapurusha (Great Man) Lord Buddha

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_characteristics_of_the_Buddha

    Characteristic 29: Eyes deep blue

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  61. Malla says:
    @Anon
    Wikipedia is Hinduwadi Propaganda now. Periyar molested his own female relatives you're just a christian at heart

    Your sjw nonsense & thinking you're doing some good by disparaging your own civ in front of melech is pathetic

    It is funny how all the Hinduphobic talking points used by chrislamist jihadis find mention in you

    It doesn't matter what family you were born in convent schools have made you our enemy

    in front of melech

    Mlech? What do you say about this Mlech?

    http://maddy06.blogspot.in/2010/06/that-man-stuart.html

    Presenting CHARLES ‘HINDOO’ STUART……
    From the above website
    “Major-General Charles Stuart (circa 1758 – 1828) was an officer in the British Army in India and is well known for being one of the few British officers to embrace Hindu culture while stationed in India. In history books he has been titled a mild mannered, kind and benevolent colonel, with a delicate health, but from his obituary and Fisch’s study, it is clear he was promoted to Major General by 1814, commanding regiments of the native infantry. Stuart in the course of his stay adopted several Indian customs, including chewing pan and bathing in the Ganges at Calcutta every morning, as well as amassing a collection of deities and Indian clothes. He encouraged European ladies in India to adopt the sari and allowed Indian sepoys to wear tikha’s and full moustaches while on parade. ”

    Stuart is well known for being one of the few British officers to embrace Hindu Culture while stationed in India. Interestingly he lived in both worlds, living not only an Indian life but also making sure that he did not lose the British tastes. Seeing the degree of Stuart’s inclination towards Hinduism, fellow British coined the term ‘went native’ mentioning him and he earned the nickname ‘Hindoo’ Stuart.
    His peaceful military career might have induced him to develop a great concern towards the dress, discipline and adaptation to the oriental Hindu culture.

    He had a Brahmin wife, he used to bathe in the Ganges every morning and wore ‘dhoti’, the traditional Indian male clothing. There he used to offer puja to idols and worship the Ganges.

    He used to collect idols of Hindu deities from across the country, either on his own or through agents. He had hundreds of them, from small lingams to monumental statues, many of them of excellent quality.

    In 1801, Stuart wrote a series of letters to the editor of the Calcutta newspaper – The Telegraph on the dress of European ladies in the East. He recommended to European ladies in India a fashion which was very close to Indian style. He suggested “elegant, simple, sensible and sensual” Indian Saris instead of the ‘Busk’s wore by the memsahebs. One of his logic rejecting the busk was that the busk with long pieces of steel makes women highly susceptible to lightning strikes !!

    During his stay at Saugor (1819-1822) he built a temple there which is said to exists till date.


    Check out his Hindu Temple like Mausoleum in Calcutta!!

    You say British Mlech were anti Hindu and pro Muslim. That is just false

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  62. Malla says:
    @Anon
    Untouchability is not found historically in Hinduism. Rajputs had marital alliances with Bhils, Iklavya's family did as well.

    Sage Valmiki Was Reformed from being outcaste.

    Nyara Sutra as Mahabharat is knowledge of a butcher.

    The Pandavs went Sri Krishna Ji himself to welcome a Shudra family.

    Many of the Dalits are actually from upper caste individuals who were made outcaste by muslims.

    An example is the policy of forcing Ksytrias to carry the waste of muslims on their head. The punishment for this in Manusmriti is banishment of both who do this.

    Same Manusmriti says it is law to give land to one who tills it. Nothing in feudalism which came with islam

    Untouchability is recent phenomenon sometimes say after 15th C AD widespread. Likely came with Khiljis

    Why don't you read of their brutality? Like how tughlaq moved the capital many times and anyone not able to keep up was killed.

    It's a fact that the largest genocide in history is the Hindu genocide in the muslim invasions. The british policy of creating famine where rebellious tendencies existed & then sending in missionaries to split the society is well known.

    A curious paradox is many converts are from the upper castes. This is true in Islam in the famous Madras famine half the Dalits of the city starved not one converted.

    Certainly there were Brahmin collaborators but much of the vitriol against them is written by and for those ignorant of Hindu civilization.

    Example they talk of Brahmin wealth when a good Brahmin is one who begs. In compiling a list of oppressed castes in the Delhi Punjab area Guru Gobind Singh Ji famously included Brahmins there.

    It's a fact that majority of the students in Takshila & Nalanda university were Shudra. If you read Fa Hien, Chinese Traveler and Megasthenes, Selucid Diplomat, accounts of India you will change your tune.

    Both said the Indian common man is the most prosperous and care free in the world. What changed after was incessant incursion by Turks.

    Our Rishis recognized the inherent inequality of man, even Dasam Guru Granth Sahib Ji says Varna comes from Akal Purakh.

    https://www.counter-currents.com/2017/06/the-genetic-limits-of-social-mobility/

    http://www.socialmatter.net/2016/12/16/a-brief-defense-of-the-hereditarian-caste-system/

    http://thefutureprimaeval.net/material-and-social-technologies/

    Even the Celts had Sati it's an old Indo European tradition and existed where women had more value actually. In places where women had greater status and honor than say Greece/Rome (non existent) vs German/Norse & Celtic.

    You should read the stories of young widows both during British & Mughal times. One Widow in front of Akbar burnt her own arm to a crisp to protest her not being allowed to Sati & he had to relent।।

    In front of the Brits a young 16 year Widow of Bengal burnt her own finger off with a candle, the officer got out of the way, and she became Sati.

    Sati Mata Ki Jai!

    If you understand the mosaic distinction or the idea that all philosophy before us or outside our tradition is false, then you would have no kind words for Christianity, Islam, Judaism or Liberalism.

    They prevent the vertical transfer of knowledge

    https://devayasna.wordpress.com/2017/01/17/religion-counter-religion-and-the-weirdness-of-modernity
    http://thefutureprimaeval.net/a-short-argument-for-traditions/

    It is a Brahmin job to preserve tradition although there have been many reformers it is more so the Ksytria job to guide & reform society.

    Why do you not bring up the countless Brahmin freedom fighters & social reformers? Bhakti Saints.

    We are the only ones who can show our face to the world. A bunch of melech Abrahamics worshipping the destroyers of their ancestors have no say.

    Understand the difference between no salvation without Mohammad Christ vs All Paths lead to the same destination.

    https://vajrin.wordpress.com/2012/11/25/sarva-dharma-samabhava-an-astika-view/

    Read Sikh scripture Uggardanti Sahib

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6L9le5gF5bldUYyRnVwdXprQ1E/view?usp=drivesdk

    https://web.archive.org/web/20170404132933/https://www.manglacharan.com/manglacharan/2016/1/11/the-merit-of-being-of-warrior-from-dasam-and-sarbloh-granth

    https://www.manglacharan.com/home/praise-of-devi-dasam-granth

    https://www.manglacharan.com/home/sarbloh-avtar-s-updesh-to-indra

    https://www.manglacharan.com/home/the-reason-for-blue-bana-bansavalinama-1768

    Dadu, in contemplating the state of our Age of Darkness, if one hits you with a mud brick, ferociously strike back with a stone bolder."

    https://www.manglacharan.com/home/forgiveness-or-force-by-guru-gobind-singh

    https://www.manglacharan.com/home/this-is-how-the-singhs-fought-gur-sobha-1711

    https://www.manglacharan.com/home/worshipping-weapons-passage-from-suraj-prakash

    https://www.manglacharan.com/home/ugardanthi-explanation-bansavalinama
    https://www.manglacharan.com/home/importance-of-the-kamarkasa

    https://www.manglacharan.com/home/form-of-sarbloh-avtar

    https://www.manglacharan.com/home/lineage-and-shastarvidiya

    https://www.manglacharan.com/home/dussherra-importance-in-sikhi

    It's a fact that the west wants us to be a bastard race, like Filipinos & Latin Americans, who export women & their best abroad.

    It's a fact that muslim want us as slaves & eunuchs in their haram.

    Start doing weightlifting like stronglifts.com or starting Strength we know due to demographics there will come civil war to India within 2 decades.

    It's fact that not even west will give 20 lakh scholarship to abrahamic student for study like telangana does।।

    Guru Sahib has opened the path for Ksytria if you don't take it you will be ever regretful.

    If you're a Coward then we're done here.

    The Devas of every people have long hair & Weapons।।

    Guru Sahib has spoken that consider a man with Hair but no weapons as half a man।।

    Your heart is in the right place, A China who can destroy the Hindu Buddhist kingdoms of Xinjiang & create Muslim Malaysia Indonesia, An Islam that can enslave Crores, A Christian world can genocide 2 entire continents but it's the Brahmin who lives on alms who cannot show his face.

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾ।।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ।।
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  63. Malla says:
    @Anon
    Untouchability is not found historically in Hinduism. Rajputs had marital alliances with Bhils, Iklavya's family did as well.

    Sage Valmiki Was Reformed from being outcaste.

    Nyara Sutra as Mahabharat is knowledge of a butcher.

    The Pandavs went Sri Krishna Ji himself to welcome a Shudra family.

    Many of the Dalits are actually from upper caste individuals who were made outcaste by muslims.

    An example is the policy of forcing Ksytrias to carry the waste of muslims on their head. The punishment for this in Manusmriti is banishment of both who do this.

    Same Manusmriti says it is law to give land to one who tills it. Nothing in feudalism which came with islam

    Untouchability is recent phenomenon sometimes say after 15th C AD widespread. Likely came with Khiljis

    Why don't you read of their brutality? Like how tughlaq moved the capital many times and anyone not able to keep up was killed.

    It's a fact that the largest genocide in history is the Hindu genocide in the muslim invasions. The british policy of creating famine where rebellious tendencies existed & then sending in missionaries to split the society is well known.

    A curious paradox is many converts are from the upper castes. This is true in Islam in the famous Madras famine half the Dalits of the city starved not one converted.

    Certainly there were Brahmin collaborators but much of the vitriol against them is written by and for those ignorant of Hindu civilization.

    Example they talk of Brahmin wealth when a good Brahmin is one who begs. In compiling a list of oppressed castes in the Delhi Punjab area Guru Gobind Singh Ji famously included Brahmins there.

    It's a fact that majority of the students in Takshila & Nalanda university were Shudra. If you read Fa Hien, Chinese Traveler and Megasthenes, Selucid Diplomat, accounts of India you will change your tune.

    Both said the Indian common man is the most prosperous and care free in the world. What changed after was incessant incursion by Turks.

    Our Rishis recognized the inherent inequality of man, even Dasam Guru Granth Sahib Ji says Varna comes from Akal Purakh.

    https://www.counter-currents.com/2017/06/the-genetic-limits-of-social-mobility/

    http://www.socialmatter.net/2016/12/16/a-brief-defense-of-the-hereditarian-caste-system/

    http://thefutureprimaeval.net/material-and-social-technologies/

    Even the Celts had Sati it's an old Indo European tradition and existed where women had more value actually. In places where women had greater status and honor than say Greece/Rome (non existent) vs German/Norse & Celtic.

    You should read the stories of young widows both during British & Mughal times. One Widow in front of Akbar burnt her own arm to a crisp to protest her not being allowed to Sati & he had to relent।।

    In front of the Brits a young 16 year Widow of Bengal burnt her own finger off with a candle, the officer got out of the way, and she became Sati.

    Sati Mata Ki Jai!

    If you understand the mosaic distinction or the idea that all philosophy before us or outside our tradition is false, then you would have no kind words for Christianity, Islam, Judaism or Liberalism.

    They prevent the vertical transfer of knowledge

    https://devayasna.wordpress.com/2017/01/17/religion-counter-religion-and-the-weirdness-of-modernity
    http://thefutureprimaeval.net/a-short-argument-for-traditions/

    It is a Brahmin job to preserve tradition although there have been many reformers it is more so the Ksytria job to guide & reform society.

    Why do you not bring up the countless Brahmin freedom fighters & social reformers? Bhakti Saints.

    We are the only ones who can show our face to the world. A bunch of melech Abrahamics worshipping the destroyers of their ancestors have no say.

    Understand the difference between no salvation without Mohammad Christ vs All Paths lead to the same destination.

    https://vajrin.wordpress.com/2012/11/25/sarva-dharma-samabhava-an-astika-view/

    Read Sikh scripture Uggardanti Sahib

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6L9le5gF5bldUYyRnVwdXprQ1E/view?usp=drivesdk

    https://web.archive.org/web/20170404132933/https://www.manglacharan.com/manglacharan/2016/1/11/the-merit-of-being-of-warrior-from-dasam-and-sarbloh-granth

    https://www.manglacharan.com/home/praise-of-devi-dasam-granth

    https://www.manglacharan.com/home/sarbloh-avtar-s-updesh-to-indra

    https://www.manglacharan.com/home/the-reason-for-blue-bana-bansavalinama-1768

    Dadu, in contemplating the state of our Age of Darkness, if one hits you with a mud brick, ferociously strike back with a stone bolder."

    https://www.manglacharan.com/home/forgiveness-or-force-by-guru-gobind-singh

    https://www.manglacharan.com/home/this-is-how-the-singhs-fought-gur-sobha-1711

    https://www.manglacharan.com/home/worshipping-weapons-passage-from-suraj-prakash

    https://www.manglacharan.com/home/ugardanthi-explanation-bansavalinama
    https://www.manglacharan.com/home/importance-of-the-kamarkasa

    https://www.manglacharan.com/home/form-of-sarbloh-avtar

    https://www.manglacharan.com/home/lineage-and-shastarvidiya

    https://www.manglacharan.com/home/dussherra-importance-in-sikhi

    It's a fact that the west wants us to be a bastard race, like Filipinos & Latin Americans, who export women & their best abroad.

    It's a fact that muslim want us as slaves & eunuchs in their haram.

    Start doing weightlifting like stronglifts.com or starting Strength we know due to demographics there will come civil war to India within 2 decades.

    It's fact that not even west will give 20 lakh scholarship to abrahamic student for study like telangana does।।

    Guru Sahib has opened the path for Ksytria if you don't take it you will be ever regretful.

    If you're a Coward then we're done here.

    The Devas of every people have long hair & Weapons।।

    Guru Sahib has spoken that consider a man with Hair but no weapons as half a man।।

    Your heart is in the right place, A China who can destroy the Hindu Buddhist kingdoms of Xinjiang & create Muslim Malaysia Indonesia, An Islam that can enslave Crores, A Christian world can genocide 2 entire continents but it's the Brahmin who lives on alms who cannot show his face.

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾ।।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ।।

    https://www.manglacharan.com/home/lineage-and-shastarvidiya

    Sikhism is seems it a bit different than Hinduism. It has many similarities with Hinduism and is close to Hinduism but is still a distinct religion.

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    Doubt ur North Indian or ur from NCR||

    Religion implies exclusivity of belief,

    "15,028 names of Creator mentioned in Adi Granth Sahib|| Hari occurs over 8,000 times, Ram 2,533 times, followed by Prabhu, Gopal Govind, Parbrahm and other Hindu nomenclature for the Divine.The purely Sikh coinage 'Wahe Guru' appears only 16 time"

    Vaheguru = VasuDeva Hari Govinda Rama

    Fact is, as Harjit Singh Oberoi of Arya Samaj said: Sikhism is the purest tradition closest to Vedic Dharma||

    Hindus have many Sampradyas & Panths Sikhi + Greater Khalsa are among them||

    However on Socio-Political level there is differenece, TODAY.

    This is due to Hindu institutions being under strict Gov (Secular-Christian) control while Sikh exercise some level of autonomy||

    THis will change, DW.

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾ।।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਹਿ।।
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  64. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Malla

    https://www.manglacharan.com/home/lineage-and-shastarvidiya
     
    Sikhism is seems it a bit different than Hinduism. It has many similarities with Hinduism and is close to Hinduism but is still a distinct religion.

    [If fanatic Hindu foreigners want to rant on this website about their religious zealotry, they should ration their remarks more cautiously, and also take greater care in their spelling, punctuation, and grammar. Since they contribute absolutely nothing worthwhile to this website, unless they do so, their future remarks may not be published. Perhaps they'd be much happier on some other website oriented towards fanatic Hindus.]

    Doubt ur North Indian or ur from NCR||

    Religion implies exclusivity of belief,

    “15,028 names of Creator mentioned in Adi Granth Sahib|| Hari occurs over 8,000 times, Ram 2,533 times, followed by Prabhu, Gopal Govind, Parbrahm and other Hindu nomenclature for the Divine.The purely Sikh coinage ‘Wahe Guru’ appears only 16 time”

    Vaheguru = VasuDeva Hari Govinda Rama

    Fact is, as Harjit Singh Oberoi of Arya Samaj said: Sikhism is the purest tradition closest to Vedic Dharma||

    Hindus have many Sampradyas & Panths Sikhi + Greater Khalsa are among them||

    However on Socio-Political level there is differenece, TODAY.

    This is due to Hindu institutions being under strict Gov (Secular-Christian) control while Sikh exercise some level of autonomy||

    THis will change, DW.

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾ।।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਹਿ।।

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    Oh boy watching these fanatic Indian scum go at it is quite amusing. These apparently fire breathing, venom spitting types from India are an even worse lot than the southern baptist evangelicals with their one track mind and their almost biblical love for Israel (more than their love for Jesus) which is a of course based on a false reading of the bible courtesy such con men like John hagee.

    Good one editor. Such posts must be moderated as it adds absolutely nothing to the national discourse May be it would matter after a couple decades when the H1Bs would have taken over and become the new clerks of our zionist "leadership"!

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  65. denjae says:
    @Iberiano
    The interesting thing is, out here in California, the only SJWs I really ever see or hear of/from are whites...most West Coast Latinos, and to a greater extent, Asians, have no interest or need to adopt any of the SJW positions.

    ” have no interest or need to adopt any of the SJW positions.”

    Duh! Of course not. Latino’s and Asians are amongst the beneficiaries of SWJ-ways.

    Why work at something that a bunch of idiotic SWJ’s are giving away for free?

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  66. Wally says: • Website
    @Da Wei
    Jack Sen,

    Thank you for this inciteful, cogent article, as well as the revealing illustrations. Your writing is ripe with substance and intelligent in delivery. The picture of the Detroit Mark Twain Library is simply bewildering, so congratulations on its rhetorical impact here.

    Here is my brief and somewhat mixed addendum:
    Bridging from 19th Century to 20th is Albert Schweitzer (Doctor of Medicine, of Music [pipe organ], of Philosophy, of Theology [Quest of the Historical Jesus]) and his medical clinic, Lambaranie, in Africa.

    Second, in the era preceding blistering war between Vietnam and the US was Tom Dooley and his free medical clinics in Laos and inspiring books about his humanistic journey.

    Third, the Colonial American slave trade involved a good many ships owned by Jews, indicating their involvement in profitable human trafficking back then, yet mention of this comes most vocally from Louis Farakhan, a technically good preacher, but not a Christian.

    Fourth I pose as an inquiry. Has serious investigation taken place linking the "Pedophile Island" in the West Indies -- including the well known tour guide and his jet liner and high profile tourists -- with the current condition of sex trafficking in Israel? I suspect not, if only because of Bibi's ability to silence investigation as "anti-semetic" and the cooperation of our lackey politicians jumping to their feet applauding him. Still, I have to ask the question. Maybe there's no connection, but is anybody asking?

    I mention these four points because your intelligent article stimulates the mind and spirit, not because it is incomplete in any way.

    If there were a Kipling Award for Fighting the Good Fight, I'd nominate you for it.

    said:
    “Third, the Colonial American slave trade involved a good many ships owned by Jews, indicating their involvement in profitable human trafficking …”

    Black researcher, Dr. Tony Martin, let’s us know who the prime sellers & owners of slaves really were, Jews.
    Dr. Tony Martin – The Jewish Role in the African Slave Trade

    Statue of Jew Confederate slave owner stands untouched in Florida

    https://revisionistreview.blogspot.it/2017/08/statue-of-judaic-confederate-slave.html

    fact:
    slavery of black Africans would have never happened without black Africans selling black African slaves
    “African chiefs urged to apologise for slave trade
    Nigerian civil rights group says tribal leaders’ ancestors sold people to slavers and should say sorry”

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/nov/18/africans-apologise-slave-trade

    “African chiefs were the ones waging war on each other and capturing their own people and selling them. If anyone should apologise it should be the African chiefs. We still have those traitors here even today.”

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    It seems the African chiefs made it clear that any African American can return and settle in West Africa. But as an African friend of mine explained what they really want is rich/ middle class African Americans to come to West Africa and spend or invest their dollars. I doubt they are interested in the Ghetto youths and besides, I do not know why any West African government would want hordes of those spoiled lazy ghetto youfs in their countries anyways.
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  67. A few points:

    -regardless of the good or bad Christian missionaries did in the past, they are currently doing a lot of damage in Africa by contributing to the African Population Bomb which is an existential threat to Europe

    -Antifa are arguably more urban anarchist than Marxist, hence the focus on issues of individual expression rather than economic equality and class conflict

    -most SJWs aren’t social misfits, they’re just middle class college kids with too much time on their hands (note the heterosexual-looking middle class white girl in the centre of your LGBT cover pic)

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  68. ” Anglican missionaries, who were granted land by local tribal councils and colonial decree, used the properties allotted to them, not to exploit resources to ship back to Britain, but to build clinics and schools where local tribal children were educated. The native population, who accepted the Christian ideals of the British missionaries and subsequently sent their children to the schools, tended to become educated as preachers and teachers ”

    For an Aboriginal view of these benevolent missionaries read
    Labumore: Elsie Roughsey, ‘An Aboriginal Mother Tells of the Old and the New´, Fitzroy, Victoria, 1984
    It somewhat differs from the quote above.

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    Why do you never post about the horrible atrocities committed by you evil White European Dutch in your 400 year old occupation and exploitation of Indonesia? And what about your theft of Manhattan and New York State from the peaceful Indians living in harmony with nature?
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  69. @Malla
    Todays SJWs are misfits and idiots who are the result of decades of Marxist propaganda via the education system and the media. They are financed and directed by the globalist elites to destroy Western civilization and the White race. This is important before the globalists can set up their one world government slave society on Earth. These same globalist elites financed nearly all the anti-colonial movements, the destruction of South Africa and Rhodesia, spreading of Communism and now finally the West.

    Exactly so, Malla.

    I don’t see any way out of this so long as we have government schools. Long ago, in the era of common schools, the locality both funded and controlled the delivery of education at the primary level especially.

    You can’t even have centralized control over education at the state level.

    Insofar as the author, I feel the same way Stefan Molyneaux does about Christianity. Despite being atheists, based upon science, we respect Christianity for the positive externalities upon society.

    However, Christianity has one glaring negative externality, and that is Zionism. And this is just far too huge to excuse. It is a curse of immense magnitude.

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  70. @anon
    [If fanatic Hindu foreigners want to rant on this website about their religious zealotry, they should ration their remarks more cautiously, and also take greater care in their spelling, punctuation, and grammar. Since they contribute absolutely nothing worthwhile to this website, unless they do so, their future remarks may not be published. Perhaps they'd be much happier on some other website oriented towards fanatic Hindus.]

    Doubt ur North Indian or ur from NCR||

    Religion implies exclusivity of belief,

    "15,028 names of Creator mentioned in Adi Granth Sahib|| Hari occurs over 8,000 times, Ram 2,533 times, followed by Prabhu, Gopal Govind, Parbrahm and other Hindu nomenclature for the Divine.The purely Sikh coinage 'Wahe Guru' appears only 16 time"

    Vaheguru = VasuDeva Hari Govinda Rama

    Fact is, as Harjit Singh Oberoi of Arya Samaj said: Sikhism is the purest tradition closest to Vedic Dharma||

    Hindus have many Sampradyas & Panths Sikhi + Greater Khalsa are among them||

    However on Socio-Political level there is differenece, TODAY.

    This is due to Hindu institutions being under strict Gov (Secular-Christian) control while Sikh exercise some level of autonomy||

    THis will change, DW.

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾ।।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਹਿ।।

    Oh boy watching these fanatic Indian scum go at it is quite amusing. These apparently fire breathing, venom spitting types from India are an even worse lot than the southern baptist evangelicals with their one track mind and their almost biblical love for Israel (more than their love for Jesus) which is a of course based on a false reading of the bible courtesy such con men like John hagee.

    Good one editor. Such posts must be moderated as it adds absolutely nothing to the national discourse May be it would matter after a couple decades when the H1Bs would have taken over and become the new clerks of our zionist “leadership”!

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  71. SJW’s are the Taliban of the West. I’ve been saying this for years and they keep proving me right.

    What’s the difference between a jihadi blowing up a historical monument or statue or an sjw having a statue or flag removed because it offends their worldview?

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  72. Jake says:

    Of course, SJWs and other Cultural Marxists have no real concern for the truly poor or those made poorer and less powerful by Globalist multi-billionaires moving populations like serfs transferred among estates. All of Leftism is about 1 thing: culture war to exterminate every last teeny vestige of Christendom.

    And because neither blacks not East Asians nor Semites built Christendom, the war to exterminate any trace of Christendom must always be focused on making white Gentiles as close to a serf class as possible.

    And the corollary to the above is that all those who lead the war to exterminate any trace of Christendom always act to bribe all non-whites, as a group, to become active soldiers in their cause.

    There is absolutely no way for us to win – and to lose means cultural extinction – short of altering our Modern mindset, repenting of our actions that converted Christendom into Modern Liberal democracies, and then focus on rebuilding what has been lost.

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  73. @Malla
    And what about this?

    Following the outcry after the sati of Roop Kanwar, the Indian Government enacted the Rajasthan Sati Prevention Ordinance, 1987 on 1 October 1987 and later passed the Commission of Sati (Prevention) Act, 1987.

    The Commission of Sati (Prevention) Act, 1987 Part I, Section 2(c) defines sati as:

    The burning or burying alive of –

    (i) any widow along with the body of her deceased husband or any other relative or with any article, object or thing associated with the husband or such relative; or
    (ii) any woman along with the body of any of her relatives, irrespective of whether such burning or burying is claimed to be voluntary on the part of the widow or the women or otherwise.

    The Prevention of Sati Act makes it illegal to support, glorify or attempt to commit sati. Support of sati, including coercing or forcing someone to commit sati, can be punished by death sentence or life imprisonment, while glorifying sati is punishable with one to seven years in prison.

    Check out the THE COMMISSION OF SATI (PREVENTION) ACT, 1987
    http://www.wcd.nic.in/act/commission-sati-prevention-act-and-rules
    MINISTRY OF WOMEN & CHILD DEVELOPMENT | GOVERNMENT OF INDIA
    https://web.archive.org/web/20091025224737/http://nrcw.nic.in/shared/sublinkimages/13.htm

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12346744

    This document contains major provisions of India's 1987 Rajasthan Sati (Prevention) Act. The Act seeks to prevent the voluntary or forced burning or burying alive of widows, an action known as "sati," and to prohibit glorification of this action through the observance of any ceremony, the participation in any procession, the creation of a financial trust, the construction of a temple, or any actions to commemorate or honor the memory of a widow who committed sati. Attempts to commit sati may be punished by imprisonment for 1-5 years and a fine. Directly or indirectly abetting the commission of sati is punishable by death or life imprisonment and a fine. Abetting attempts to commit sati may result in a fine and life imprisonment. Abetment is defined as inducing a widow to commit sati, making a widow believe that performance of sati will result in a spiritual benefit for her or her deceased husband or her family, obstructing police officers attempting to prevent sati, preventing a widow from saving herself, or being present at any place where sati is committed as an active participation to such commission or to any attendant ceremony. Glorification of sati can be punished by imprisonment for 1-7 years and a fine. The Act empowers Collectors and District Magistrates to take specific actions, which include removing temples or other structures constructed to glorify sati and appropriating funds collected to glorify sati. The Act further creates special courts to try offenses and places the burden of proof of innocence upon the accused.


    Read the above act properly. This was passed by the Government of Independent India in 1987. Iz da government of India a evul missionary? Why did the Indian government have to pass such an act if the whole Sati thing is a myth? The Indian Government has a lot of things on it's hands to waste time by creating unwanted legislation.

    Thank you, Malla. It was often the very same campaigners against the west African slave trade who also campaigned against suttee/sati, their inspiration being the so called Clapham sect.

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  74. This is hilarious. Loved the bit about the Hispanic minority flooding into Western Europe. Spain seems to be the worst affected, with the historic, indigenous English population now completely replaced! Jack Sen is actually Jack Sengupta, born in the UK to a father of “east Indian” origin and an English mother. Given the amount of attention he pays to South Africa, his father may well have come from that country. He was a candidate for UKIP in the 2015 general election but was excluded from the party for anti-Semitic utterances and now runs an utterly unknown far right group called the European Knights Project. He also writes under a whole series of pseudonyms. His use of essentially American far right jargon suggests he is far more connected to the US far right than the British far right. I can’t help making the connection with the other far right British figure with a strangely un-British name, Jayda Fransen.

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  75. Joe Hide says:

    Wow,
    What an article! Please, write more articles of this quality!

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  76. Alden says:
    @Singh
    Hindus & Sikhs worship Sati Ma who is a form of the wife of Lord Shiva।।Dishonorable desert cultures where the idea of death before dishonor does not exist can never understand this।।It is always better to burn yourself alive with your children than to have your dead bodies raped & survivors sold into slavery by christian & muslim।।

    It is fine though the revenge of the Aryan burns like the sun & is cold like Himalayan ice।।

    Death before dishonor can be achieved in less bizarro sadistic ways For instance a large group of Greek women tied themselves and their children together and went over a cliff to escape slavery by the Turks. A countess Dracula jumped off the castle wall and killed her self when it looked like the Turks conquered the castke

    There is a famous statue of a Gual warrior defeated by the Romans. His wife is already dead and he is halfway through slitting his own throat

    And those sadistic horrible Satis were always a 3 day public spectacle and festivity arranged by the priests, not a Muslim rapist within hundreds of miles.

    Rape and prostitution? Clean up your own house first. It’s the Hindu parts of India where rape is rampant. There are plenty of Temples in India today where the child priestesses are prostitures.

    The British putting the widows into brothels? Few widows were young, what good is a middle aged women in a brothel? And the Indians not the British ran the brothels.

    The reason for Sati was financial ; kill the widow and inherit everything
    For the poor, one less mouth to feed.

    For the priests who arranged the Satis they were well paid, as clergy are paid for their services in every religion.

    For the vendors who went to the festivals, lots of money like all the vendors who follow carnivals, county fairs rodeos and other fairs and festivals world wide.

    Going from father’s harem to husband’s harem is bliss compared to Sati. Muslim oppression of women? Nothing compared to oppression by burning women alive and allegedly not drugged.

    FYI when the Europeans burnt people convicted of various crimes to death they weren’t really burnt. When they were tied to the stake they were strangled

    This really isn’t the place to advocate a return to extreme Hinduism and Sati. That movement belongs more in Hindu India where you can convert the back sliders.

    Are you sincere about this or do you own some companies that sell food and trinkets at festivals? Doesn’t India have enough festivals to keep your profits coming in?

    Different views and opinions, that’s what Unz is for.

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    Well said.
    , @Malla

    Death before dishonor can be achieved in less bizarro sadistic ways For instance a large group of Greek women tied themselves and their children together and went over a cliff to escape slavery by the Turks. A countess Dracula jumped off the castle wall and killed her self when it looked like the Turks conquered the castke
     
    Sati is different from Jauhar. Sati was during peacetimes and thus not needed. Jauhar was during times of Islamic hordes outside your gate salivating for rape and capture. Thus to save honour, Hindu/Jain/Sikh women would jump into a giant fire. Since the bodies of Hindus after death was burnt anyways, so it just made sense to jump into a fire pit itself. Women of Hindu/Sikh royal households were especially prized for rape (reserved for the Muslim invading Sultan) or to be added into harems of Muslim kings or would fetch large sums of money when sold (only affordable for Sultans and Muslim kings or very rich merchants).Jumping into a funeral pit seemed like a better option.

    What is strange is that Jauhar was most common amongst the Rajputs whose male side of the ancestry hailed from Central Asia (Scythains, Kushanas, Khambojas, White Huns etc...) and the conquering hordes were often Mughals/Turks who too hailed from Central Asia. But of course, by then the demographics of Central Asia had changed quite a lot thanks to the Mongol Empire and the spreading of Islam. 'Mughal' is the Persian word for Mongol though the Mughals were a mix of Mongols, Uzbeks, Uighurs and Turks.
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  77. Logan says:

    Watched Cassie Jaye’s Red Pill on Amazon Prime last night.

    Highly recommended.

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  78. Alden says:
    @Singh
    as they did the vile Hindu practice of Sati in India.

    Yes because 1 in 50,000 widows became millions annually & by all accounts the British were interested in selling the widows into prostitution.

    http://indiafacts.org/missionaries-sati-colonial-india/
    http://indiafacts.org/sati-atrocity-narrative-civilizing-mission/
    http://indiafacts.org/sati-historical-evidence/

    Genociding pagans & helping muslim. White people are fine but it's too bad so many are christian like this duffer.

    We need an abrahamic genocide Liberalism is also abrahamic।।

    http://mosmaiorum.org/persecution_list.html

    We must appropriate whatever good belongs to the Pagan it was said in On Christian Doctrine Book II

    So now your 'social gospel' leads to your daughters being appropriated.

    You tried to steal our Aryan heritage now your continent is invaded by those with skin burnt darker than any Dravidian।।

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾ।।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ।।

    Something I just thought of. If there were young children, what happened to them with both parents dead?

    Were pregnant women spared until the baby was born? What about nursing mothers? Did the avaricious relatives bother to find a wet nurse before murdering the Mother? Wet nurses cost money, what about families who didn’t have or didn’t want to spend the. money for a wet nurse? Since Sati was about inheritance, maybe they just killed the baby one less person to share the money. For the poor one less mouth to feed and child to raise.

    Did the avaricious relatives and priests swarm in, steal everything and sell the girls into prostitution an d turn the boys out into the streets? What if teenage kids were old enough to defend themselves their homes and inheritance?

    What about the mental health of women who grew up knowing that they would be burnt to death?

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  79. Alden says:
    @Malla
    And what about this?

    Following the outcry after the sati of Roop Kanwar, the Indian Government enacted the Rajasthan Sati Prevention Ordinance, 1987 on 1 October 1987 and later passed the Commission of Sati (Prevention) Act, 1987.

    The Commission of Sati (Prevention) Act, 1987 Part I, Section 2(c) defines sati as:

    The burning or burying alive of –

    (i) any widow along with the body of her deceased husband or any other relative or with any article, object or thing associated with the husband or such relative; or
    (ii) any woman along with the body of any of her relatives, irrespective of whether such burning or burying is claimed to be voluntary on the part of the widow or the women or otherwise.

    The Prevention of Sati Act makes it illegal to support, glorify or attempt to commit sati. Support of sati, including coercing or forcing someone to commit sati, can be punished by death sentence or life imprisonment, while glorifying sati is punishable with one to seven years in prison.

    Check out the THE COMMISSION OF SATI (PREVENTION) ACT, 1987
    http://www.wcd.nic.in/act/commission-sati-prevention-act-and-rules
    MINISTRY OF WOMEN & CHILD DEVELOPMENT | GOVERNMENT OF INDIA
    https://web.archive.org/web/20091025224737/http://nrcw.nic.in/shared/sublinkimages/13.htm

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12346744

    This document contains major provisions of India's 1987 Rajasthan Sati (Prevention) Act. The Act seeks to prevent the voluntary or forced burning or burying alive of widows, an action known as "sati," and to prohibit glorification of this action through the observance of any ceremony, the participation in any procession, the creation of a financial trust, the construction of a temple, or any actions to commemorate or honor the memory of a widow who committed sati. Attempts to commit sati may be punished by imprisonment for 1-5 years and a fine. Directly or indirectly abetting the commission of sati is punishable by death or life imprisonment and a fine. Abetting attempts to commit sati may result in a fine and life imprisonment. Abetment is defined as inducing a widow to commit sati, making a widow believe that performance of sati will result in a spiritual benefit for her or her deceased husband or her family, obstructing police officers attempting to prevent sati, preventing a widow from saving herself, or being present at any place where sati is committed as an active participation to such commission or to any attendant ceremony. Glorification of sati can be punished by imprisonment for 1-7 years and a fine. The Act empowers Collectors and District Magistrates to take specific actions, which include removing temples or other structures constructed to glorify sati and appropriating funds collected to glorify sati. The Act further creates special courts to try offenses and places the burden of proof of innocence upon the accused.


    Read the above act properly. This was passed by the Government of Independent India in 1987. Iz da government of India a evul missionary? Why did the Indian government have to pass such an act if the whole Sati thing is a myth? The Indian Government has a lot of things on it's hands to waste time by creating unwanted legislation.

    I remember thexSati of Roop Kanwar. The motivation was not religious. The priests and the family wanted to set up a shrine and develop a lucrative tourist/ pilgrimage trade.

    All governments have problems. But India has the additional problem of stamping out the revival of Sati.

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    The priests and the family wanted to set up a shrine and develop a lucrative tourist/ pilgrimage trade.
     
    In India, many temples are richer than many corporations. V.S. Naipaul, the Nobel laureate of Indian descent but born in the Caribbean wrote in his first book on India, the land of his ancestors, 'India is a land of corrupt priests, rich temples and poor devotees'
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  80. Alden says:
    @Malla
    And what about this?

    Following the outcry after the sati of Roop Kanwar, the Indian Government enacted the Rajasthan Sati Prevention Ordinance, 1987 on 1 October 1987 and later passed the Commission of Sati (Prevention) Act, 1987.

    The Commission of Sati (Prevention) Act, 1987 Part I, Section 2(c) defines sati as:

    The burning or burying alive of –

    (i) any widow along with the body of her deceased husband or any other relative or with any article, object or thing associated with the husband or such relative; or
    (ii) any woman along with the body of any of her relatives, irrespective of whether such burning or burying is claimed to be voluntary on the part of the widow or the women or otherwise.

    The Prevention of Sati Act makes it illegal to support, glorify or attempt to commit sati. Support of sati, including coercing or forcing someone to commit sati, can be punished by death sentence or life imprisonment, while glorifying sati is punishable with one to seven years in prison.

    Check out the THE COMMISSION OF SATI (PREVENTION) ACT, 1987
    http://www.wcd.nic.in/act/commission-sati-prevention-act-and-rules
    MINISTRY OF WOMEN & CHILD DEVELOPMENT | GOVERNMENT OF INDIA
    https://web.archive.org/web/20091025224737/http://nrcw.nic.in/shared/sublinkimages/13.htm

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12346744

    This document contains major provisions of India's 1987 Rajasthan Sati (Prevention) Act. The Act seeks to prevent the voluntary or forced burning or burying alive of widows, an action known as "sati," and to prohibit glorification of this action through the observance of any ceremony, the participation in any procession, the creation of a financial trust, the construction of a temple, or any actions to commemorate or honor the memory of a widow who committed sati. Attempts to commit sati may be punished by imprisonment for 1-5 years and a fine. Directly or indirectly abetting the commission of sati is punishable by death or life imprisonment and a fine. Abetting attempts to commit sati may result in a fine and life imprisonment. Abetment is defined as inducing a widow to commit sati, making a widow believe that performance of sati will result in a spiritual benefit for her or her deceased husband or her family, obstructing police officers attempting to prevent sati, preventing a widow from saving herself, or being present at any place where sati is committed as an active participation to such commission or to any attendant ceremony. Glorification of sati can be punished by imprisonment for 1-7 years and a fine. The Act empowers Collectors and District Magistrates to take specific actions, which include removing temples or other structures constructed to glorify sati and appropriating funds collected to glorify sati. The Act further creates special courts to try offenses and places the burden of proof of innocence upon the accused.


    Read the above act properly. This was passed by the Government of Independent India in 1987. Iz da government of India a evul missionary? Why did the Indian government have to pass such an act if the whole Sati thing is a myth? The Indian Government has a lot of things on it's hands to waste time by creating unwanted legislation.

    Sati was always about money. That’s why the Indian government criminalized any and all profiteering and attempts to profit from Sati

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    Sati was always about money.
     
    That is true as far as the greedy priest (and some family members) were concerned .

    However an explanation of Sati can be found in the pages of the writings of the German philosopher Schopenhauer. It seems queens/wives would poison their much older husband to get their property and thus marry younger men. That might be one reason Sati and the ban on widow remarriage might have entered as social mores. I mean, by poisoning your husband, you are gonne die too or live a miserable life, it beats the whole purpose.

    However Jauhar is different. Islamic barbarian hordes would rape and capture khaffir women of defeated 'non believer' kingdoms to be sold into slavery. Such a scale of rape and slavery was unprecedented in Indian history before the coming of the Islamic hordes. And hence the culture of women jumping into fire to save their honour.

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  81. Alden says:
    @Singh
    Hello ricebag,

    Sikh general Hari Singh Nalua stopped Afghan invasions. Same with Somnath,

    Glorify Sati as in end goal is to destroy Sati Mandir।।

    Yes Indian state is christian that's why it offers scholarship to religious minority।।

    We're going to restore Sati & BharatVarsha Monarchy, there's nothing you can do about it, this is Hukam of Guru Gobind Singh।।

    Anything against your white christian savior narrative is Hinduvta propaganda even from a Sikh separatist lol।।

    British benevolence towards muslims is well known culminating in their disproportionate entry into army & police post ww1 and creation of Pakistan।।

    Christian also did support Pakistan & were immediately genocided after its creation lol.
    http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/threads/british-support-for-pakistan-partition-of-india.74768/

    Even the Vedas criticize Sati & the selling of widows in Bengal is well known. It's to be noted that Sati went down in areas freed of Muslim control that's why it was strong in Bengal.

    Anyway, it's our practice our custom our country।।Uncouth British wanted to defile our sacred land with their presence, now their own Pakistani creation is destroying them genetically।।


    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾ।।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ।।

    What’s a rice bag? What do you have against rice? Is it something like the rice vs noodle cooking of China carried to insane extremes?

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    What’s a rice bag? What do you have against rice?
     
    Sen is a Bengali surname. The diet of Bengalis (East Indians/Bangladeshis) and South Indians predominantly consists of rice while that of Western and Northern Indians as well as Pakistanis is predominantly wheat in the form of unleavened bread like roti/chapati.
    Singh is North Indian. Ricebag is a common derogatory term for Eastern and Southern Indians.
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  82. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Conversely, communities that choose to adopt Marxist or left-wing values regress back to the African norm, as can be seen in places like Johannesburg, Detroit, Baltimore and South London.

    Both Mandela and Mugabe received their educations through the efforts of white missionaries. Then they turned around and bit the hand that fed them. Well intentioned missionaries have created unforeseen problems as a result of their efforts. Their efforts may have been better expended at home than elsewhere.

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  83. The only consolation I, as a White male of European descent, have as I watch other White European-descent SJW’s aid in the slow genocide of our people, is that these delicate creatures will be tossed off rooftops and/or gang-raped to death by the beautiful diverse crowd they are hoping to replace us with.

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  84. Alden says:
    @anon
    That's a bunch of liberal christian bs. Your monotheism is rooted in deny individual relations. You take one piece of the universe to declare as unrepentant truth & the rest as hellish lies.

    https://henadology.files.wordpress.com/2016/11/wp32-butler-pp3538-version-2.pdf

    Hellenic Panta-en-Pasin or Vedic Indra's Net demonstrate that each Jewel of the Univere is connected, it reflects into the other||

    However, those nearer to each other whether by blood relation or devotion, reflect strongly among themselves. The reflection is still there even in the farthest corner though.

    In contrast, your rooting for every section of humanity is for them to fall away from their ancestral tradition & adopt your desert thievery.

    You wish for the destruction of humanity, and call it well wishing.

    Pagans by the very nature of their Poly-Centric existence, acknowledge the connection of all life & humanity, you call it caste (a Portugeuse Christian word, denoting a system of blood purity) and discrminination||

    http://indiafacts.org/why-is-the-world-so-obsessed-with-indias-caste-system/

    To Christians, past sins are a matter for repentance vis-a-vis God, but ultimately only the normal course of things, since we’re all sinners. So they are not uptight about having sins on their record and won’t be blackmailed about this.

    http://indiafacts.org/caste-system-colonial-idea/

    End of day fact is that the multicultural or diverse society/world you claim to support is impossible with a monotheist belief structure||

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1WKZJUhHlD209oOqcT1faRv4rvzQyzTpQ/view?usp=sharing

    The end goal of these exclusivist faiths is a kingdom of Christ, a Dar al-Islam or a global government of human rights. Everything is done in the name of truth, and every action is one step closer to the goal. When temples are buried under churches, sacred groves cut (http://mosmaiorum.org/persecution_list.html) or rituals absorbed, “So that all these rites and cults that they practiced for the sake of the idols, they now came to practice in the honor of god” (Assman, 6), it is all in the name of progression along a finite linear time scale. Everyone must join this one group, and reject others for the sake of development and refinement. As Talom Rukbo and Andrew McGowan point out this oppositional, and societal fracturing attitude is a core part of the exclusivist ideology and its linear notion of time (Sanu, 2005) (McGowan, 2010).

    A linear notion of time develops in opposition to a falsehood, whose defeat becomes the core pretext for the existence of the ideology. It is only exclusivist ideologies who posit this notion of time because they are the only ones concerned with defeating other ideologies in a “conversion war”. Quintus Aurelius Symmachus of Rome said: “Everyone has his own customs, his own religious practices; the divine mind has assigned to different cities different religions to be their guardians”. Makau Mutua of Africa is careful to distinguish between human traditions and what he calls proselytizing Universalist faiths (Sanu, 2005). In the Rig Veda Book 1 Hymn Line 46 It is Stated “that which is One, sages give many a title” (Vyas, N.D.). We are well aware of the Dharmic concept of cyclical or infinite time, and also of adopting the Deities of others, a process Assman calls ‘translation’ (Assman, 1-4).

    A view of time as infinite or cyclical goes hand in hand with religious tolerance and multiculturalism. At the same time, believing time to be finite and linear is associated with trying to outdo and destroy others on a religious/cultural level. This linear notion of time leads to a marked separation between Us and Other. Assman calls this process Normative Inversion by which that which is false is made true, and that which is true is made false (Assman, 6). As Augustine mentioned, from a worldview in which anything but Jesus is false, anything which can be claimed from the “heathens” should be as they are in unlawful possession of it.

    A good example of the contrast between exclusive and inclusive ideology and their respective notions of time is found in Mithra-Jayanti. A festival to mark the winter solstice, dedicated to the Vedic Deva Mithra or Mithras, it was widely celebrated throughout the Roman Empire. Mithra is infinite in age as far as humans are concerned so it is unknown when this festival started nor when it will end.

    In contrast, when this date was appropriated by Christianity to celebrate the birth of Jesus it gained a beginning (birth) and an end (apocalypse) (Bharavi, 2015) (Ravi, 2016). Furthermore, its very existence is celebration of the genocide of the “false heathen”. A victory for the march towards salvation of all creation in Jesus Christ.

    That a number of different traditions could co-exist and celebrate festivals together in ancient Europe, while also having a non-linear view of time shows the relationship between infinite time and religious tolerance (McFarlane, 2004). The arrival of an exclusivist ideology with a linear notion of time destroyed this fabric. In other words, the people who previously believed time to be infinite, were converted to the view of it as linear. This was done as part of their larger conversion to a religiously intolerant exclusivism.

    https://docs.google.com/document/d/1SRJepvG5d9XZe7P-0wexqC9aPSjcTUfGztmB4ULddtk/edit?usp=sharing

    Monotheism is disproven by the fact that atoms transfer between all, all exist within one another at some level. Your entire notion of believer unbeliever is scientifically invalid. Egyptian Roman & Hindu Civilization used the same word Netji Dios/Deus or Deva to describe both their own pantheon & that of others. You can rant about Muh Racism & Liberty all you want, fact is you are the professor of a heresy which calls the Gods of others false|| There is nothing more to say unrepentant criminals like you who insult the Dios of everyone else can only be met & destroyed in battle.

    Your future African Arab army will not stand against Aryas.

    Reality is racist & "GOD" created it http://www.unz.com/jman/the-five-laws-of-behavioral-genetics/ digest that|| Youll just mutter that we must change or impprove it, you only understand violence.

    Ksytrias dole it out like Langar||

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾ।।
    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਹਿ।।

    Caste is the Portuguese word for color. When they arrived in in India the Hindus went on at length to explain the system.

    The Portuguese noticed that the Lower groups were dark and the higher groups lighter. So they called it what it is, classification according to color

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  85. Alden says:
    @jilles dykstra
    " Anglican missionaries, who were granted land by local tribal councils and colonial decree, used the properties allotted to them, not to exploit resources to ship back to Britain, but to build clinics and schools where local tribal children were educated. The native population, who accepted the Christian ideals of the British missionaries and subsequently sent their children to the schools, tended to become educated as preachers and teachers "

    For an Aboriginal view of these benevolent missionaries read
    Labumore: Elsie Roughsey, ‘An Aboriginal Mother Tells of the Old and the New´, Fitzroy, Victoria, 1984
    It somewhat differs from the quote above.

    Why do you never post about the horrible atrocities committed by you evil White European Dutch in your 400 year old occupation and exploitation of Indonesia? And what about your theft of Manhattan and New York State from the peaceful Indians living in harmony with nature?

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  86. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    A tedious essay of deceit about the “goodness” of christian missionaries. Laughable. These purveyors of hearsay and delusions were driven mainly by white supremacy, and the purely racist notion of “the white man’s burden.”

    And, many hindutva terrorist ass-lickers here providing their own version of alternative facts. You see, they love the orange scumbag, due to his unabashed Islamophobia, and also because he is as much a degenerate as they all are. Proof of this can be found in their “man-idols,” the mass murderers they elected to the highest offices of the land. A pox on all of them.

    Islamophobes, remember the following;

    Islam means complete submission to God, and only God; the One, Infinite and Unique. Monotheism in the true sense of the word.

    As much as you all like to portray Islam as some medieval faith for barbarians only, the core idea of True Monotheism is the most logical comprehension of our Creator, and has transcended the test of time. That is, it has proven to be irrefutable… if you are a theist.

    In this, Islam stands alone on rock-solid ground. It is your polytheist faiths, sinking in quicksand, rooted in human\animal worship, which have basis in dawn-age beliefs.

    Heck, the hindus don’t even have physical proof of their deities’ existence, given the myths that they walked this Earth and frolicked much; except for pathetically dubious “proofs,” such as this one, the “image” of Shiva formed by snow-on-rock, on the side of some cliff.

    Similar dubious proofs of the existence of Krishna and Ram have been cooked up too, and swallowed hook, line and sinker, by the desperate faithful.

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    Well said and totally agree. Reading these morons has been entertaining. They hate Islam and Christianity, the two conquering Faith's of India that ever succumbed and became just another face of Hinduism, as previous conquerors had done. India is a dump and they can have it
    , @Druid
    Well said and totally agree. Reading these morons has been entertaining. They hate Islam and Christianity, the two conquering Faith's of India that never succumbed and became just another face of Hinduism, as previous conquerors had done. India is a dump and they can have it
    , @Malla
    And Islam is one of those fake ideologies by Jewie to rile up the Arabs as Cannon fodder to destroy the ancient Persians and Byzantines. One of those ideologies for the goyim.

    Muslims have been used by Zionists for centuries to attain their aims.
    Besides, Islam itself was started by the ancestors of the Zionists to use Arabs as a tool to destroy the Persian and Byzantine Empires. This is the Persian Empire which saved the Jews from Babylon during the reign of Cyrus the Great, the same Persian Empire whose government the Zionists themselves controlled, the same Persian Empire where the Zionists of that time killed the Persian nationalist Haman and his sons. The Byzantines had barred Jews from any position of power or from banking however they were permitted to stay as normal subjects. The Byzantines had to go.

    http://thechristiansolution.com/tcs_book/SupportDocs_TCS/TCS158.htm

    http://www.thechristiansolution.com/Exilarch.html

    https://exposingthelieofislam.wordpress.com/the-truth-about-the-origins-and-spread-of-islam-how-the-jews-developed-the-program-of-islam-to-invade-and-destroy-the-east/

    Of course Islam, like Christianity, went out of their control and Islam became an Arab project and then a Muslim project including non Arab Muslims (Ajams) under the Abbasid Caliphate period
    , @Malla
    Krishna & Ram might be myths. Who is to say Mohammed was not? Did Prophet Mohammed even exist?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dlXCrpKTt0

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  87. Moi says:
    @Singh
    as they did the vile Hindu practice of Sati in India.

    Yes because 1 in 50,000 widows became millions annually & by all accounts the British were interested in selling the widows into prostitution.

    http://indiafacts.org/missionaries-sati-colonial-india/
    http://indiafacts.org/sati-atrocity-narrative-civilizing-mission/
    http://indiafacts.org/sati-historical-evidence/

    Genociding pagans & helping muslim. White people are fine but it's too bad so many are christian like this duffer.

    We need an abrahamic genocide Liberalism is also abrahamic।।

    http://mosmaiorum.org/persecution_list.html

    We must appropriate whatever good belongs to the Pagan it was said in On Christian Doctrine Book II

    So now your 'social gospel' leads to your daughters being appropriated.

    You tried to steal our Aryan heritage now your continent is invaded by those with skin burnt darker than any Dravidian।।

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾ।।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ।।

    I guess you’d be happy with a Hindu fascist like India’s Modi or our own Sikh-in-Christian clothing Namrata Randhawa (aka Nikki Haley).

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  89. Druid says:
    @Malla
    Todays SJWs are misfits and idiots who are the result of decades of Marxist propaganda via the education system and the media. They are financed and directed by the globalist elites to destroy Western civilization and the White race. This is important before the globalists can set up their one world government slave society on Earth. These same globalist elites financed nearly all the anti-colonial movements, the destruction of South Africa and Rhodesia, spreading of Communism and now finally the West.

    So you think apartheid should’ve continued in South Africa, huh! That says it all about you. It’s true that the country ran better under the whites, but it fully worked only for the whites, who were 10 percent of the population

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  90. Druid says:
    @Alden
    Death before dishonor can be achieved in less bizarro sadistic ways For instance a large group of Greek women tied themselves and their children together and went over a cliff to escape slavery by the Turks. A countess Dracula jumped off the castle wall and killed her self when it looked like the Turks conquered the castke

    There is a famous statue of a Gual warrior defeated by the Romans. His wife is already dead and he is halfway through slitting his own throat

    And those sadistic horrible Satis were always a 3 day public spectacle and festivity arranged by the priests, not a Muslim rapist within hundreds of miles.

    Rape and prostitution? Clean up your own house first. It’s the Hindu parts of India where rape is rampant. There are plenty of Temples in India today where the child priestesses are prostitures.

    The British putting the widows into brothels? Few widows were young, what good is a middle aged women in a brothel? And the Indians not the British ran the brothels.

    The reason for Sati was financial ; kill the widow and inherit everything
    For the poor, one less mouth to feed.

    For the priests who arranged the Satis they were well paid, as clergy are paid for their services in every religion.

    For the vendors who went to the festivals, lots of money like all the vendors who follow carnivals, county fairs rodeos and other fairs and festivals world wide.

    Going from father’s harem to husband’s harem is bliss compared to Sati. Muslim oppression of women? Nothing compared to oppression by burning women alive and allegedly not drugged.

    FYI when the Europeans burnt people convicted of various crimes to death they weren’t really burnt. When they were tied to the stake they were strangled

    This really isn’t the place to advocate a return to extreme Hinduism and Sati. That movement belongs more in Hindu India where you can convert the back sliders.

    Are you sincere about this or do you own some companies that sell food and trinkets at festivals? Doesn’t India have enough festivals to keep your profits coming in?

    Different views and opinions, that’s what Unz is for.

    Well said.

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  91. Druid says:
    @anonymous
    A tedious essay of deceit about the "goodness" of christian missionaries. Laughable. These purveyors of hearsay and delusions were driven mainly by white supremacy, and the purely racist notion of "the white man's burden."

    And, many hindutva terrorist ass-lickers here providing their own version of alternative facts. You see, they love the orange scumbag, due to his unabashed Islamophobia, and also because he is as much a degenerate as they all are. Proof of this can be found in their "man-idols," the mass murderers they elected to the highest offices of the land. A pox on all of them.


    Islamophobes, remember the following;

    Islam means complete submission to God, and only God; the One, Infinite and Unique. Monotheism in the true sense of the word.

    As much as you all like to portray Islam as some medieval faith for barbarians only, the core idea of True Monotheism is the most logical comprehension of our Creator, and has transcended the test of time. That is, it has proven to be irrefutable... if you are a theist.

    In this, Islam stands alone on rock-solid ground. It is your polytheist faiths, sinking in quicksand, rooted in human\animal worship, which have basis in dawn-age beliefs.


    Heck, the hindus don't even have physical proof of their deities' existence, given the myths that they walked this Earth and frolicked much; except for pathetically dubious "proofs," such as this one, the "image" of Shiva formed by snow-on-rock, on the side of some cliff.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEBo8vfl4vU

    Similar dubious proofs of the existence of Krishna and Ram have been cooked up too, and swallowed hook, line and sinker, by the desperate faithful.

    Well said and totally agree. Reading these morons has been entertaining. They hate Islam and Christianity, the two conquering Faith’s of India that ever succumbed and became just another face of Hinduism, as previous conquerors had done. India is a dump and they can have it

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    Though I criticize the negative sides of Hinduism, we Hindus do have a point. We see Christianity & Islam decimate nearly all pagan religions around the world. There is significant Paganism only in India, China & Japan (Shinto). So in one way Hindu resistance to the abrahamic faith is the continuation of the pagan resistance to of old. Who else but a Druid would understand it.
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  92. Druid says:
    @anonymous
    A tedious essay of deceit about the "goodness" of christian missionaries. Laughable. These purveyors of hearsay and delusions were driven mainly by white supremacy, and the purely racist notion of "the white man's burden."

    And, many hindutva terrorist ass-lickers here providing their own version of alternative facts. You see, they love the orange scumbag, due to his unabashed Islamophobia, and also because he is as much a degenerate as they all are. Proof of this can be found in their "man-idols," the mass murderers they elected to the highest offices of the land. A pox on all of them.


    Islamophobes, remember the following;

    Islam means complete submission to God, and only God; the One, Infinite and Unique. Monotheism in the true sense of the word.

    As much as you all like to portray Islam as some medieval faith for barbarians only, the core idea of True Monotheism is the most logical comprehension of our Creator, and has transcended the test of time. That is, it has proven to be irrefutable... if you are a theist.

    In this, Islam stands alone on rock-solid ground. It is your polytheist faiths, sinking in quicksand, rooted in human\animal worship, which have basis in dawn-age beliefs.


    Heck, the hindus don't even have physical proof of their deities' existence, given the myths that they walked this Earth and frolicked much; except for pathetically dubious "proofs," such as this one, the "image" of Shiva formed by snow-on-rock, on the side of some cliff.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEBo8vfl4vU

    Similar dubious proofs of the existence of Krishna and Ram have been cooked up too, and swallowed hook, line and sinker, by the desperate faithful.

    Well said and totally agree. Reading these morons has been entertaining. They hate Islam and Christianity, the two conquering Faith’s of India that never succumbed and became just another face of Hinduism, as previous conquerors had done. India is a dump and they can have it

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  93. Svigor says:

    Holy Aryan invasion, Batman.

    Hey jack Sen , you forgot to include the letter that the British used to show to the Africans captured from the homes before shipping them to Liver-poll and then to East Coast of USA. That letter was the original Magna Carta with Jesus on the top , Bible on the bottom.

    Too bad they didn’t show them a picture of the Black Africans doing the capturing, enslaving, and selling. Of course, the alternative, when demand for slaves was outmatched by supply, was Black Africans executing their war captives en masse. Contrary to popular belief (mostly posturing from leftists (yes, that includes “right wing” leftists)), slavery is not a fate worse than death, a fact evidenced by how seldom slaves took their own lives, despite having every opportunity to do so.

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  94. Svigor says:

    Activists operating during the Edwardian and Victorian periods also campaigned to see slavery abolished globally. After relentless parliamentary lobbying from both Christian and secular abolitionists, and within a year of Westminster passing the Abolition of the Slave Trade Act in 1807, Britain’s Royal Navy took to the high seas separating the New and Old Worlds to eradicate the Transatlantic Slave trade, establishing the West Africa Squadron.

    It’s worth noting that Britain’s abolitionist movement got started only a few years after American independence. I.e., just after American slavery ceased to be a source of revenue for Britain. This is not to deny Britain credit for ending slavery, mind you.

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  95. Svigor says:

    It goes without saying, the odiously ignoble troupe of societal misfits turned Marxist activists, commonly referred to as Social Justice Warriors (SJW), care naught about redressing the balance of an unfair world.

    I think it bears endless repetition. Exhibit A would be how the leftist-dominated American political establishment constantly inveighs against the White Nationalist mouse, then sits down to dinner at Che Whitey with Jewish Supremacists (Zionists) or their water-carriers and sympathizers. Hell, what am I saying? Every member of the American political establishment is, at the least, a Zionist sympathizer.

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  96. Malla says:
    @Druid
    Well said and totally agree. Reading these morons has been entertaining. They hate Islam and Christianity, the two conquering Faith's of India that ever succumbed and became just another face of Hinduism, as previous conquerors had done. India is a dump and they can have it

    Though I criticize the negative sides of Hinduism, we Hindus do have a point. We see Christianity & Islam decimate nearly all pagan religions around the world. There is significant Paganism only in India, China & Japan (Shinto). So in one way Hindu resistance to the abrahamic faith is the continuation of the pagan resistance to of old. Who else but a Druid would understand it.

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  97. Malla says:
    @anonymous
    A tedious essay of deceit about the "goodness" of christian missionaries. Laughable. These purveyors of hearsay and delusions were driven mainly by white supremacy, and the purely racist notion of "the white man's burden."

    And, many hindutva terrorist ass-lickers here providing their own version of alternative facts. You see, they love the orange scumbag, due to his unabashed Islamophobia, and also because he is as much a degenerate as they all are. Proof of this can be found in their "man-idols," the mass murderers they elected to the highest offices of the land. A pox on all of them.


    Islamophobes, remember the following;

    Islam means complete submission to God, and only God; the One, Infinite and Unique. Monotheism in the true sense of the word.

    As much as you all like to portray Islam as some medieval faith for barbarians only, the core idea of True Monotheism is the most logical comprehension of our Creator, and has transcended the test of time. That is, it has proven to be irrefutable... if you are a theist.

    In this, Islam stands alone on rock-solid ground. It is your polytheist faiths, sinking in quicksand, rooted in human\animal worship, which have basis in dawn-age beliefs.


    Heck, the hindus don't even have physical proof of their deities' existence, given the myths that they walked this Earth and frolicked much; except for pathetically dubious "proofs," such as this one, the "image" of Shiva formed by snow-on-rock, on the side of some cliff.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEBo8vfl4vU

    Similar dubious proofs of the existence of Krishna and Ram have been cooked up too, and swallowed hook, line and sinker, by the desperate faithful.

    And Islam is one of those fake ideologies by Jewie to rile up the Arabs as Cannon fodder to destroy the ancient Persians and Byzantines. One of those ideologies for the goyim.

    Muslims have been used by Zionists for centuries to attain their aims.
    Besides, Islam itself was started by the ancestors of the Zionists to use Arabs as a tool to destroy the Persian and Byzantine Empires. This is the Persian Empire which saved the Jews from Babylon during the reign of Cyrus the Great, the same Persian Empire whose government the Zionists themselves controlled, the same Persian Empire where the Zionists of that time killed the Persian nationalist Haman and his sons. The Byzantines had barred Jews from any position of power or from banking however they were permitted to stay as normal subjects. The Byzantines had to go.

    http://thechristiansolution.com/tcs_book/SupportDocs_TCS/TCS158.htm

    http://www.thechristiansolution.com/Exilarch.html

    https://exposingthelieofislam.wordpress.com/the-truth-about-the-origins-and-spread-of-islam-how-the-jews-developed-the-program-of-islam-to-invade-and-destroy-the-east/

    Of course Islam, like Christianity, went out of their control and Islam became an Arab project and then a Muslim project including non Arab Muslims (Ajams) under the Abbasid Caliphate period

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    Very interesting history. A lot of people claim Islam was a Jewish invention. There were a lot of Jews in that area in 600AD
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  98. Malla says:
    @anonymous
    A tedious essay of deceit about the "goodness" of christian missionaries. Laughable. These purveyors of hearsay and delusions were driven mainly by white supremacy, and the purely racist notion of "the white man's burden."

    And, many hindutva terrorist ass-lickers here providing their own version of alternative facts. You see, they love the orange scumbag, due to his unabashed Islamophobia, and also because he is as much a degenerate as they all are. Proof of this can be found in their "man-idols," the mass murderers they elected to the highest offices of the land. A pox on all of them.


    Islamophobes, remember the following;

    Islam means complete submission to God, and only God; the One, Infinite and Unique. Monotheism in the true sense of the word.

    As much as you all like to portray Islam as some medieval faith for barbarians only, the core idea of True Monotheism is the most logical comprehension of our Creator, and has transcended the test of time. That is, it has proven to be irrefutable... if you are a theist.

    In this, Islam stands alone on rock-solid ground. It is your polytheist faiths, sinking in quicksand, rooted in human\animal worship, which have basis in dawn-age beliefs.


    Heck, the hindus don't even have physical proof of their deities' existence, given the myths that they walked this Earth and frolicked much; except for pathetically dubious "proofs," such as this one, the "image" of Shiva formed by snow-on-rock, on the side of some cliff.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEBo8vfl4vU

    Similar dubious proofs of the existence of Krishna and Ram have been cooked up too, and swallowed hook, line and sinker, by the desperate faithful.

    Krishna & Ram might be myths. Who is to say Mohammed was not? Did Prophet Mohammed even exist?

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  99. Malla says:
    @Alden
    Sati was always about money. That’s why the Indian government criminalized any and all profiteering and attempts to profit from Sati

    Sati was always about money.

    That is true as far as the greedy priest (and some family members) were concerned .

    However an explanation of Sati can be found in the pages of the writings of the German philosopher Schopenhauer. It seems queens/wives would poison their much older husband to get their property and thus marry younger men. That might be one reason Sati and the ban on widow remarriage might have entered as social mores. I mean, by poisoning your husband, you are gonne die too or live a miserable life, it beats the whole purpose.

    However Jauhar is different. Islamic barbarian hordes would rape and capture khaffir women of defeated ‘non believer’ kingdoms to be sold into slavery. Such a scale of rape and slavery was unprecedented in Indian history before the coming of the Islamic hordes. And hence the culture of women jumping into fire to save their honour.

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    Muslims kidnapped European women into slavery as we all know. The Turks even sent ships to Iceland and Greenland

    But surely there is a faster and more effective way to commit suicide than jumping into a fire. With rapists knocking down the door, who has time to find firewood and oil? A sharp knife would be more efficient

    I’m a practical person, not a philosopher. So I thought of the practicalities like inheritance and for the poor another mouth to feed

    It’s also my opinion that there was a lot of weird sex sadism and the low caste men thrilled that a princess was dying a horrible death.

    How did we get on this subject. That Singh/anon must have a search engine that spots the the words Hindu sati etc and then he invaded the discussion
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  100. Malla says:
    @Alden
    What’s a rice bag? What do you have against rice? Is it something like the rice vs noodle cooking of China carried to insane extremes?

    What’s a rice bag? What do you have against rice?

    Sen is a Bengali surname. The diet of Bengalis (East Indians/Bangladeshis) and South Indians predominantly consists of rice while that of Western and Northern Indians as well as Pakistanis is predominantly wheat in the form of unleavened bread like roti/chapati.
    Singh is North Indian. Ricebag is a common derogatory term for Eastern and Southern Indians.

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  101. Malla says:
    @Alden
    Death before dishonor can be achieved in less bizarro sadistic ways For instance a large group of Greek women tied themselves and their children together and went over a cliff to escape slavery by the Turks. A countess Dracula jumped off the castle wall and killed her self when it looked like the Turks conquered the castke

    There is a famous statue of a Gual warrior defeated by the Romans. His wife is already dead and he is halfway through slitting his own throat

    And those sadistic horrible Satis were always a 3 day public spectacle and festivity arranged by the priests, not a Muslim rapist within hundreds of miles.

    Rape and prostitution? Clean up your own house first. It’s the Hindu parts of India where rape is rampant. There are plenty of Temples in India today where the child priestesses are prostitures.

    The British putting the widows into brothels? Few widows were young, what good is a middle aged women in a brothel? And the Indians not the British ran the brothels.

    The reason for Sati was financial ; kill the widow and inherit everything
    For the poor, one less mouth to feed.

    For the priests who arranged the Satis they were well paid, as clergy are paid for their services in every religion.

    For the vendors who went to the festivals, lots of money like all the vendors who follow carnivals, county fairs rodeos and other fairs and festivals world wide.

    Going from father’s harem to husband’s harem is bliss compared to Sati. Muslim oppression of women? Nothing compared to oppression by burning women alive and allegedly not drugged.

    FYI when the Europeans burnt people convicted of various crimes to death they weren’t really burnt. When they were tied to the stake they were strangled

    This really isn’t the place to advocate a return to extreme Hinduism and Sati. That movement belongs more in Hindu India where you can convert the back sliders.

    Are you sincere about this or do you own some companies that sell food and trinkets at festivals? Doesn’t India have enough festivals to keep your profits coming in?

    Different views and opinions, that’s what Unz is for.

    Death before dishonor can be achieved in less bizarro sadistic ways For instance a large group of Greek women tied themselves and their children together and went over a cliff to escape slavery by the Turks. A countess Dracula jumped off the castle wall and killed her self when it looked like the Turks conquered the castke

    Sati is different from Jauhar. Sati was during peacetimes and thus not needed. Jauhar was during times of Islamic hordes outside your gate salivating for rape and capture. Thus to save honour, Hindu/Jain/Sikh women would jump into a giant fire. Since the bodies of Hindus after death was burnt anyways, so it just made sense to jump into a fire pit itself. Women of Hindu/Sikh royal households were especially prized for rape (reserved for the Muslim invading Sultan) or to be added into harems of Muslim kings or would fetch large sums of money when sold (only affordable for Sultans and Muslim kings or very rich merchants).Jumping into a funeral pit seemed like a better option.

    What is strange is that Jauhar was most common amongst the Rajputs whose male side of the ancestry hailed from Central Asia (Scythains, Kushanas, Khambojas, White Huns etc…) and the conquering hordes were often Mughals/Turks who too hailed from Central Asia. But of course, by then the demographics of Central Asia had changed quite a lot thanks to the Mongol Empire and the spreading of Islam. ‘Mughal’ is the Persian word for Mongol though the Mughals were a mix of Mongols, Uzbeks, Uighurs and Turks.

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  102. Alden says:
    @Malla
    And Islam is one of those fake ideologies by Jewie to rile up the Arabs as Cannon fodder to destroy the ancient Persians and Byzantines. One of those ideologies for the goyim.

    Muslims have been used by Zionists for centuries to attain their aims.
    Besides, Islam itself was started by the ancestors of the Zionists to use Arabs as a tool to destroy the Persian and Byzantine Empires. This is the Persian Empire which saved the Jews from Babylon during the reign of Cyrus the Great, the same Persian Empire whose government the Zionists themselves controlled, the same Persian Empire where the Zionists of that time killed the Persian nationalist Haman and his sons. The Byzantines had barred Jews from any position of power or from banking however they were permitted to stay as normal subjects. The Byzantines had to go.

    http://thechristiansolution.com/tcs_book/SupportDocs_TCS/TCS158.htm

    http://www.thechristiansolution.com/Exilarch.html

    https://exposingthelieofislam.wordpress.com/the-truth-about-the-origins-and-spread-of-islam-how-the-jews-developed-the-program-of-islam-to-invade-and-destroy-the-east/

    Of course Islam, like Christianity, went out of their control and Islam became an Arab project and then a Muslim project including non Arab Muslims (Ajams) under the Abbasid Caliphate period

    Very interesting history. A lot of people claim Islam was a Jewish invention. There were a lot of Jews in that area in 600AD

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  103. Alden says:
    @Malla

    Sati was always about money.
     
    That is true as far as the greedy priest (and some family members) were concerned .

    However an explanation of Sati can be found in the pages of the writings of the German philosopher Schopenhauer. It seems queens/wives would poison their much older husband to get their property and thus marry younger men. That might be one reason Sati and the ban on widow remarriage might have entered as social mores. I mean, by poisoning your husband, you are gonne die too or live a miserable life, it beats the whole purpose.

    However Jauhar is different. Islamic barbarian hordes would rape and capture khaffir women of defeated 'non believer' kingdoms to be sold into slavery. Such a scale of rape and slavery was unprecedented in Indian history before the coming of the Islamic hordes. And hence the culture of women jumping into fire to save their honour.

    Muslims kidnapped European women into slavery as we all know. The Turks even sent ships to Iceland and Greenland

    But surely there is a faster and more effective way to commit suicide than jumping into a fire. With rapists knocking down the door, who has time to find firewood and oil? A sharp knife would be more efficient

    I’m a practical person, not a philosopher. So I thought of the practicalities like inheritance and for the poor another mouth to feed

    It’s also my opinion that there was a lot of weird sex sadism and the low caste men thrilled that a princess was dying a horrible death.

    How did we get on this subject. That Singh/anon must have a search engine that spots the the words Hindu sati etc and then he invaded the discussion

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    But surely there is a faster and more effective way to commit suicide than jumping into a fire. With rapists knocking down the door, who has time to find firewood and oil? A sharp knife would be more efficient
     
    Yeah that is true if you are say a peasant women who was suddenly surprised by a muslim rapist but I think as far as Jauhar is concerned (Jauhar is different from Sati), I think it was more common among women of the royal household and their female consorts who lived in hill forts and thus had advanced knowledge of the coming victorious Islamic army. There are these Hindu/Sikh queen/princesses/ female servants/consorts of the royal household, messengers shout out the devastating news that the king and the top Hindu/Sikh generals are defeated and most probably fallen in battle, the huge victorious Islamic army is on the way to your hill fortress with no leader to protect you or the masses. The battlefields would have been quite a distance from the hill fort (the desert state of Rajastan in India, is full of these hill forts) and thus it would take a considerable amount of time for the huge Islamic army to arrive at the fort and the towns around. There would be enough time to set up a funeral pyre. Maybe there were religious factors involved too.

    It’s also my opinion that there was a lot of weird sex sadism and the low caste men thrilled that a princess was dying a horrible death.
     
    That is possible.

    That Singh/anon must have a search engine that spots the the words Hindu Sati etc and then he invaded the discussion
     
    LOL, do not worry about him. What is so crazy about Hindu fundamentalists like him is to blame the British, for every vice which the British actually stopped.
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  104. Malla says:
    @Anon
    Phule was a convert & his hatred of Brahmins is the same as the abrahamic hatred of any Pagan priesthood https://t.co/BjnY4iVk1i?amp=1

    "The Pedagogy of Shalom: Theory and Contemporary Issues of a Faith-based Education"
    edited by HeeKap Lee, Paul Kaak

    https://t.co/KaM6gUSvzv?amp=1

    Jesus is King Bali according to Phule

    This is the whole interview

    “It is very unfortunate that traditional Indian Christian theology has completely ignored Ambedkar while reflecting on the Christian faith in the Indian context. This is because most of these theologians have been of ‘ upper’ caste origin. So, instead of taking inspiration from people of Dalit or Shudra background like Ambedkar and Mahatma Phule, they used the writings of ‘ upper’ caste writers and reformers like Raja Ram Mohan Roy or Keshub Chandra Sen or Gandhi in order to develop a contextual Indian theology. This is so despite the fact that Ambedkar wrote extensively on the Christian faith and church history and their relationship with the Dalits. Similar is the case with Mahatma Phule. In his Gulamgiri ( Slavery’) Phule develops a very interesting concept of Christology, the person of Christ. He refers to the story of the non Aryan king Bali, whose kingdom was snatched by the Brahmin Vamana. Vamana goes on to rigidly enforce the law of caste, converting the natives into Untouchables and Shudras. Phule tells us that in rural Maharashtra the ordinary village folk still long for the return of the righteous rule of Raja Bali, and he identifies Jesus as Bali. He says that Jesus and his disciples, the Christians, have come to India to rescue the Dalits and Shudras from Aryan or Brahmin hegemony. All this has been ignored by ‘ upper’ caste Christian writers.”

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  105. Alden says:
    @Malla

    What’s a rice bag? What do you have against rice?
     
    Sen is a Bengali surname. The diet of Bengalis (East Indians/Bangladeshis) and South Indians predominantly consists of rice while that of Western and Northern Indians as well as Pakistanis is predominantly wheat in the form of unleavened bread like roti/chapati.
    Singh is North Indian. Ricebag is a common derogatory term for Eastern and Southern Indians.

    Thanks

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  106. Malla says:
    @Wally
    said:
    "Third, the Colonial American slave trade involved a good many ships owned by Jews, indicating their involvement in profitable human trafficking ..."

    Black researcher, Dr. Tony Martin, let's us know who the prime sellers & owners of slaves really were, Jews.
    Dr. Tony Martin - The Jewish Role in the African Slave Trade
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ut7I75Q_-zA
    Statue of Jew Confederate slave owner stands untouched in Florida
    https://revisionistreview.blogspot.it/2017/08/statue-of-judaic-confederate-slave.html
    fact:
    slavery of black Africans would have never happened without black Africans selling black African slaves
    "African chiefs urged to apologise for slave trade
    Nigerian civil rights group says tribal leaders' ancestors sold people to slavers and should say sorry"
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/nov/18/africans-apologise-slave-trade
    "African chiefs were the ones waging war on each other and capturing their own people and selling them. If anyone should apologise it should be the African chiefs. We still have those traitors here even today."

    It seems the African chiefs made it clear that any African American can return and settle in West Africa. But as an African friend of mine explained what they really want is rich/ middle class African Americans to come to West Africa and spend or invest their dollars. I doubt they are interested in the Ghetto youths and besides, I do not know why any West African government would want hordes of those spoiled lazy ghetto youfs in their countries anyways.

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  107. Malla says:
    @Alden
    Muslims kidnapped European women into slavery as we all know. The Turks even sent ships to Iceland and Greenland

    But surely there is a faster and more effective way to commit suicide than jumping into a fire. With rapists knocking down the door, who has time to find firewood and oil? A sharp knife would be more efficient

    I’m a practical person, not a philosopher. So I thought of the practicalities like inheritance and for the poor another mouth to feed

    It’s also my opinion that there was a lot of weird sex sadism and the low caste men thrilled that a princess was dying a horrible death.

    How did we get on this subject. That Singh/anon must have a search engine that spots the the words Hindu sati etc and then he invaded the discussion

    But surely there is a faster and more effective way to commit suicide than jumping into a fire. With rapists knocking down the door, who has time to find firewood and oil? A sharp knife would be more efficient

    Yeah that is true if you are say a peasant women who was suddenly surprised by a muslim rapist but I think as far as Jauhar is concerned (Jauhar is different from Sati), I think it was more common among women of the royal household and their female consorts who lived in hill forts and thus had advanced knowledge of the coming victorious Islamic army. There are these Hindu/Sikh queen/princesses/ female servants/consorts of the royal household, messengers shout out the devastating news that the king and the top Hindu/Sikh generals are defeated and most probably fallen in battle, the huge victorious Islamic army is on the way to your hill fortress with no leader to protect you or the masses. The battlefields would have been quite a distance from the hill fort (the desert state of Rajastan in India, is full of these hill forts) and thus it would take a considerable amount of time for the huge Islamic army to arrive at the fort and the towns around. There would be enough time to set up a funeral pyre. Maybe there were religious factors involved too.

    It’s also my opinion that there was a lot of weird sex sadism and the low caste men thrilled that a princess was dying a horrible death.

    That is possible.

    That Singh/anon must have a search engine that spots the the words Hindu Sati etc and then he invaded the discussion

    LOL, do not worry about him. What is so crazy about Hindu fundamentalists like him is to blame the British, for every vice which the British actually stopped.

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    Well, This is an interesting discussion. Hope Singh never jumps in again.
    , @Malla
    This is a good video on Jauhar. There was something called Jauhar and Saka (Saca - Scythain, the term might have come from ancient Scythian rulers of India as Rajputs had Scythian ancestry) where the royal family would perform a harakari of sorts with the women jumping into fire and the men going to the battlefield to fight to the death. This was in those cases when the chance of victory was nil.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soQkKBqq6uc
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  108. utu says:

    Why this article was trolled by hindudindus? Don’t hindudindus have some place to post their nonsense?

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  109. Malla says:
    @Anon
    Untouchability is not found historically in Hinduism. Rajputs had marital alliances with Bhils, Iklavya's family did as well.

    Sage Valmiki Was Reformed from being outcaste.

    Nyara Sutra as Mahabharat is knowledge of a butcher.

    The Pandavs went Sri Krishna Ji himself to welcome a Shudra family.

    Many of the Dalits are actually from upper caste individuals who were made outcaste by muslims.

    An example is the policy of forcing Ksytrias to carry the waste of muslims on their head. The punishment for this in Manusmriti is banishment of both who do this.

    Same Manusmriti says it is law to give land to one who tills it. Nothing in feudalism which came with islam

    Untouchability is recent phenomenon sometimes say after 15th C AD widespread. Likely came with Khiljis

    Why don't you read of their brutality? Like how tughlaq moved the capital many times and anyone not able to keep up was killed.

    It's a fact that the largest genocide in history is the Hindu genocide in the muslim invasions. The british policy of creating famine where rebellious tendencies existed & then sending in missionaries to split the society is well known.

    A curious paradox is many converts are from the upper castes. This is true in Islam in the famous Madras famine half the Dalits of the city starved not one converted.

    Certainly there were Brahmin collaborators but much of the vitriol against them is written by and for those ignorant of Hindu civilization.

    Example they talk of Brahmin wealth when a good Brahmin is one who begs. In compiling a list of oppressed castes in the Delhi Punjab area Guru Gobind Singh Ji famously included Brahmins there.

    It's a fact that majority of the students in Takshila & Nalanda university were Shudra. If you read Fa Hien, Chinese Traveler and Megasthenes, Selucid Diplomat, accounts of India you will change your tune.

    Both said the Indian common man is the most prosperous and care free in the world. What changed after was incessant incursion by Turks.

    Our Rishis recognized the inherent inequality of man, even Dasam Guru Granth Sahib Ji says Varna comes from Akal Purakh.

    https://www.counter-currents.com/2017/06/the-genetic-limits-of-social-mobility/

    http://www.socialmatter.net/2016/12/16/a-brief-defense-of-the-hereditarian-caste-system/

    http://thefutureprimaeval.net/material-and-social-technologies/

    Even the Celts had Sati it's an old Indo European tradition and existed where women had more value actually. In places where women had greater status and honor than say Greece/Rome (non existent) vs German/Norse & Celtic.

    You should read the stories of young widows both during British & Mughal times. One Widow in front of Akbar burnt her own arm to a crisp to protest her not being allowed to Sati & he had to relent।।

    In front of the Brits a young 16 year Widow of Bengal burnt her own finger off with a candle, the officer got out of the way, and she became Sati.

    Sati Mata Ki Jai!

    If you understand the mosaic distinction or the idea that all philosophy before us or outside our tradition is false, then you would have no kind words for Christianity, Islam, Judaism or Liberalism.

    They prevent the vertical transfer of knowledge

    https://devayasna.wordpress.com/2017/01/17/religion-counter-religion-and-the-weirdness-of-modernity
    http://thefutureprimaeval.net/a-short-argument-for-traditions/

    It is a Brahmin job to preserve tradition although there have been many reformers it is more so the Ksytria job to guide & reform society.

    Why do you not bring up the countless Brahmin freedom fighters & social reformers? Bhakti Saints.

    We are the only ones who can show our face to the world. A bunch of melech Abrahamics worshipping the destroyers of their ancestors have no say.

    Understand the difference between no salvation without Mohammad Christ vs All Paths lead to the same destination.

    https://vajrin.wordpress.com/2012/11/25/sarva-dharma-samabhava-an-astika-view/

    Read Sikh scripture Uggardanti Sahib

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6L9le5gF5bldUYyRnVwdXprQ1E/view?usp=drivesdk

    https://web.archive.org/web/20170404132933/https://www.manglacharan.com/manglacharan/2016/1/11/the-merit-of-being-of-warrior-from-dasam-and-sarbloh-granth

    https://www.manglacharan.com/home/praise-of-devi-dasam-granth

    https://www.manglacharan.com/home/sarbloh-avtar-s-updesh-to-indra

    https://www.manglacharan.com/home/the-reason-for-blue-bana-bansavalinama-1768

    Dadu, in contemplating the state of our Age of Darkness, if one hits you with a mud brick, ferociously strike back with a stone bolder."

    https://www.manglacharan.com/home/forgiveness-or-force-by-guru-gobind-singh

    https://www.manglacharan.com/home/this-is-how-the-singhs-fought-gur-sobha-1711

    https://www.manglacharan.com/home/worshipping-weapons-passage-from-suraj-prakash

    https://www.manglacharan.com/home/ugardanthi-explanation-bansavalinama
    https://www.manglacharan.com/home/importance-of-the-kamarkasa

    https://www.manglacharan.com/home/form-of-sarbloh-avtar

    https://www.manglacharan.com/home/lineage-and-shastarvidiya

    https://www.manglacharan.com/home/dussherra-importance-in-sikhi

    It's a fact that the west wants us to be a bastard race, like Filipinos & Latin Americans, who export women & their best abroad.

    It's a fact that muslim want us as slaves & eunuchs in their haram.

    Start doing weightlifting like stronglifts.com or starting Strength we know due to demographics there will come civil war to India within 2 decades.

    It's fact that not even west will give 20 lakh scholarship to abrahamic student for study like telangana does।।

    Guru Sahib has opened the path for Ksytria if you don't take it you will be ever regretful.

    If you're a Coward then we're done here.

    The Devas of every people have long hair & Weapons।।

    Guru Sahib has spoken that consider a man with Hair but no weapons as half a man।।

    Your heart is in the right place, A China who can destroy the Hindu Buddhist kingdoms of Xinjiang & create Muslim Malaysia Indonesia, An Islam that can enslave Crores, A Christian world can genocide 2 entire continents but it's the Brahmin who lives on alms who cannot show his face.

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾ।।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ।।

    It’s a fact that majority of the students in Takshila & Nalanda university were Shudra. If you read Fa Hien, Chinese Traveler and Megasthenes, Selucid Diplomat, accounts of India you will change your tune.

    Obviously many of the students at Nalanda and Takshila Universities were Shudras as both those universities were Buddhist and not Hindu. I did read Fa Hien and Megasthenes many times. However the problems in India started when the Brahmans for same strange reason started behaving like Jews and not Aryans, like the Aryan Brahmans and other upper castes of the earlier Vedic period who were noble (Did Jews from Babylon area come and interbreed with our Brahmins and merchant baniyas? Who knows). Buddhism brought about a short golden period in India only to be destroyed by Brahmins, Jewish style using cunning, deceit, lies and brutality. But unfortunately for the Brahmins, as soon as they were nearly finishing Buddhism off, the Islamic hordes barged into India and went on a killing, raping, looting spree until Mughal Emperors like Akbar stabilized the country into a working government. And then we have huge Hindus and Muslims and Sikhs armies killing each other, the country was a WWE championship of massive armies and wars, devastating the land and soon the Europeans (Portuguese, Dutch, French, Danes and the finally the British) joined in the mega war-fest party. And not to mention the periodic Afghan intrusions into India to loot and plunder it’s immense riches in jewelry, gems and gold as well as to get slaves. But it was only after the British conquered the whole subcontinent that civilised rule really return for the masses after centuries.

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    I forgot to add

    But unfortunately for the Brahmins, as soon as they were nearly finishing Buddhism off, the Islamic hordes barged into India and went on a killing, raping, looting spree (and beautiful Indian Hindu princesses went on a suicide spree by jumping into fire pits to save themselves from the hands of ugly creepy Arab barbarian rapists who smelled of camel dung) until Mughal Emperors like Akbar stabilized the country into a working government.

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  110. Svigor says:

    During the period that Britain ruled over India, from roughly 1800 to roughly 1950, the population of India increased from 180 million to 400 million. Whenever someone claims that the British presence was to the detriment of Indians ask them to explain that fact, and don’t let them change the subject.

    Look at the economic growth during that period. It was stagnant for decades. The white population in Western countries is also increasing so how is multiculturalism or mass immigration to your detriment. Don’t change the subject

    If the current situation in the West reflected the situation in India in the period in question, I’d have a lot fewer problems with it. But the situation in the West does not at all reflect the situation in India in the period in question. Quite the opposite. Assuming the stats are correct (you didn’t challenge them), Indians saw an enormous increase in population and a relatively tiny influx of White people. Native Westerners are seeing the opposite; very small increases in population size and a relatively huge influx of non-Whites.

    Britain made the church largest land owner in India

    I’m guessing there’s an apples and oranges thing going on here. Were Indian religions or institutions legally constituted the same way as the Church? That is, was all the real estate owned by [native Indian religion or institution here] consolidated legally under one roof? This sounds like a mere cultural/legal difference. Which is not to say that an Indian has no right to complain about foreign religions intruding into their living spaces. Obviously they do have.

    To root for a just one section of humanity and disregard the rest is racism. You can call it what you like and you can feel free to abuse anyone.

    The word “abuse” seems misplaced here; the only way to make the first sentence work is to define “racism” as, at least, not a bad thing. Because there’s absolutely nothing wrong, whatsoever, with rooting for just one section of humanity and disregarding the rest. Not that most “racists” even do that, mind you; for the vast majority, it’s simply a matter of prioritizing their group first, everyone else second. This is normal human behavior. To characterize it as “abuse” or somehow wrong is misanthropic.

    To really look at your adversary and talk is to be human. It will enrich you. It matters not if you are are black, white yellow or brown.

    Indeed. This is one of the better reasons to utterly annihilate leftism.

    Bring all your people back from the americas & australia then preach about racism casteism dirty Melech।।

    Oh, I dunno. I think we’ve been in those places long enough that they’re ours. To say nothing of the fact that Whites tamed and civilized the places, the same way your ancestors migrated to, then tamed and civilized your homeland. Dot-Indians should probably keep their traps shut about it, given how fond they have become of immigrating here, since Whitey finished all the heavy lifting.

    However, Christianity has one glaring negative externality, and that is Zionism. And this is just far too huge to excuse. It is a curse of immense magnitude.

    Christianity has given way to Christian heresies, leftist heresy and Zionist heresy foremost among them. I think this is merely a sign of the weakening of Christianity, and the ascendance of leftism and Jewry.

    FYI when the Europeans burnt people convicted of various crimes to death they weren’t really burnt. When they were tied to the stake they were strangled

    Interesting – first time I’m hearing this. Source?

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    Numerous sources in history books in every library. The internet might or might not have something about it.
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  111. Malla says:
    @Malla

    It’s a fact that majority of the students in Takshila & Nalanda university were Shudra. If you read Fa Hien, Chinese Traveler and Megasthenes, Selucid Diplomat, accounts of India you will change your tune.
     
    Obviously many of the students at Nalanda and Takshila Universities were Shudras as both those universities were Buddhist and not Hindu. I did read Fa Hien and Megasthenes many times. However the problems in India started when the Brahmans for same strange reason started behaving like Jews and not Aryans, like the Aryan Brahmans and other upper castes of the earlier Vedic period who were noble (Did Jews from Babylon area come and interbreed with our Brahmins and merchant baniyas? Who knows). Buddhism brought about a short golden period in India only to be destroyed by Brahmins, Jewish style using cunning, deceit, lies and brutality. But unfortunately for the Brahmins, as soon as they were nearly finishing Buddhism off, the Islamic hordes barged into India and went on a killing, raping, looting spree until Mughal Emperors like Akbar stabilized the country into a working government. And then we have huge Hindus and Muslims and Sikhs armies killing each other, the country was a WWE championship of massive armies and wars, devastating the land and soon the Europeans (Portuguese, Dutch, French, Danes and the finally the British) joined in the mega war-fest party. And not to mention the periodic Afghan intrusions into India to loot and plunder it's immense riches in jewelry, gems and gold as well as to get slaves. But it was only after the British conquered the whole subcontinent that civilised rule really return for the masses after centuries.

    I forgot to add

    But unfortunately for the Brahmins, as soon as they were nearly finishing Buddhism off, the Islamic hordes barged into India and went on a killing, raping, looting spree (and beautiful Indian Hindu princesses went on a suicide spree by jumping into fire pits to save themselves from the hands of ugly creepy Arab barbarian rapists who smelled of camel dung) until Mughal Emperors like Akbar stabilized the country into a working government.

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  112. Alden says:
    @Malla

    But surely there is a faster and more effective way to commit suicide than jumping into a fire. With rapists knocking down the door, who has time to find firewood and oil? A sharp knife would be more efficient
     
    Yeah that is true if you are say a peasant women who was suddenly surprised by a muslim rapist but I think as far as Jauhar is concerned (Jauhar is different from Sati), I think it was more common among women of the royal household and their female consorts who lived in hill forts and thus had advanced knowledge of the coming victorious Islamic army. There are these Hindu/Sikh queen/princesses/ female servants/consorts of the royal household, messengers shout out the devastating news that the king and the top Hindu/Sikh generals are defeated and most probably fallen in battle, the huge victorious Islamic army is on the way to your hill fortress with no leader to protect you or the masses. The battlefields would have been quite a distance from the hill fort (the desert state of Rajastan in India, is full of these hill forts) and thus it would take a considerable amount of time for the huge Islamic army to arrive at the fort and the towns around. There would be enough time to set up a funeral pyre. Maybe there were religious factors involved too.

    It’s also my opinion that there was a lot of weird sex sadism and the low caste men thrilled that a princess was dying a horrible death.
     
    That is possible.

    That Singh/anon must have a search engine that spots the the words Hindu Sati etc and then he invaded the discussion
     
    LOL, do not worry about him. What is so crazy about Hindu fundamentalists like him is to blame the British, for every vice which the British actually stopped.

    Well, This is an interesting discussion. Hope Singh never jumps in again.

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    Any of my comments which counter his points with references get blocked by mods।।

    Only solution is trampling underneath elephants।।

    You two can have your weird discussion.

    Enlightenment values are the reason whites are facing self destruction & this suicidal ricebag wants us to import them।।

    A plurality of christians have converted for money many times just a bag of rice. Hence, the pejorative।।
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  113. Malla says:
    @Alden
    I remember thexSati of Roop Kanwar. The motivation was not religious. The priests and the family wanted to set up a shrine and develop a lucrative tourist/ pilgrimage trade.

    All governments have problems. But India has the additional problem of stamping out the revival of Sati.

    The priests and the family wanted to set up a shrine and develop a lucrative tourist/ pilgrimage trade.

    In India, many temples are richer than many corporations. V.S. Naipaul, the Nobel laureate of Indian descent but born in the Caribbean wrote in his first book on India, the land of his ancestors, ‘India is a land of corrupt priests, rich temples and poor devotees’

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    All the temples are under gov control & looted to build churches||
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  114. Malla says:
    @Malla

    But surely there is a faster and more effective way to commit suicide than jumping into a fire. With rapists knocking down the door, who has time to find firewood and oil? A sharp knife would be more efficient
     
    Yeah that is true if you are say a peasant women who was suddenly surprised by a muslim rapist but I think as far as Jauhar is concerned (Jauhar is different from Sati), I think it was more common among women of the royal household and their female consorts who lived in hill forts and thus had advanced knowledge of the coming victorious Islamic army. There are these Hindu/Sikh queen/princesses/ female servants/consorts of the royal household, messengers shout out the devastating news that the king and the top Hindu/Sikh generals are defeated and most probably fallen in battle, the huge victorious Islamic army is on the way to your hill fortress with no leader to protect you or the masses. The battlefields would have been quite a distance from the hill fort (the desert state of Rajastan in India, is full of these hill forts) and thus it would take a considerable amount of time for the huge Islamic army to arrive at the fort and the towns around. There would be enough time to set up a funeral pyre. Maybe there were religious factors involved too.

    It’s also my opinion that there was a lot of weird sex sadism and the low caste men thrilled that a princess was dying a horrible death.
     
    That is possible.

    That Singh/anon must have a search engine that spots the the words Hindu Sati etc and then he invaded the discussion
     
    LOL, do not worry about him. What is so crazy about Hindu fundamentalists like him is to blame the British, for every vice which the British actually stopped.

    This is a good video on Jauhar. There was something called Jauhar and Saka (Saca – Scythain, the term might have come from ancient Scythian rulers of India as Rajputs had Scythian ancestry) where the royal family would perform a harakari of sorts with the women jumping into fire and the men going to the battlefield to fight to the death. This was in those cases when the chance of victory was nil.

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  115. V says:

    While Marxism has historically attracted society’s very worst to its cause…painfully unattractive societal misfits — the obese, degenerates and outcasts.

    Couldn’t help but be reminded here of Winston’s co-worker, Parsons, at the Ministry of Truth in the book 1984.

    ‘…one of those completely unquestioning, devoted drudges on whom, more even than on the Thought Police, the stability of the Party depended.’

    Parsons was Winston’s fellow-employee at the Ministry of Truth. He was a fattish but active man of paralysing stupidity, a mass of imbecile enthusiasms — one of those completely unquestioning, devoted drudges on whom, more even than on the Thought Police, the stability of the Party depended. At thirty-five he had just been unwillingly evicted from the Youth League, and before graduating into the Youth League he had managed to stay on in the Spies for a year beyond the statutory age. At the Ministry he was employed in some subordinate post for which intelligence was not required, but on the other hand he was a leading figure on the Sports Committee and all the other committees engaged in organizing community hikes, spontaneous demonstrations, savings campaigns, and voluntary activities generally. He would inform you with quiet pride, between whiffs of his pipe, that he had put in an appearance at the Community Centre every evening for the past four years. An overpowering smell of sweat, a sort of unconscious testimony to the strenuousness of his life, followed him about wherever he went, and even remained behind him after he had gone.

    http://www.george-orwell.org/1984/1.html

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    “Mass of imbecile enthusiasm” that’s SJWs
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  116. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Alden
    Well, This is an interesting discussion. Hope Singh never jumps in again.

    Any of my comments which counter his points with references get blocked by mods।।

    Only solution is trampling underneath elephants।।

    You two can have your weird discussion.

    Enlightenment values are the reason whites are facing self destruction & this suicidal ricebag wants us to import them।।

    A plurality of christians have converted for money many times just a bag of rice. Hence, the pejorative।।

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    You are Singh the Hindu extremist that wants to bring back Sati. Of course the mods block your comments.
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  117. V says:

    I would have to add plain greed into the equation regarding the abolition of chattel slavery, not to knock the sincerity of ‘reformers’, whom at best were acting naively at the ultimate behest of those very same powerful elements of the elites of the Anglo-Saxon and Jewish people whom were directing chattel slavery and its global trade at the time via the British Empire.

    In the latter 18th and early 19th century, reflective of the ‘free market’ Capitalism spirit of the day, chattel slavery and its trade was quite simply and literally monetized with the introduction of the cheap labor/mass immigration system we have today, much more accurately described historically as wage slavery. It was a much more efficient and profitable way to go about systematically stealing the value of an individual’s labor directly through their pay (and hence the term wage slavery) as compared to the antiquated and cumbersome chattel slavery system, the essence of slavery being the systematic theft of the individual’s labor. It is this systematic theft of labor via wage slavery which forms the very economic basis of the modern multi-cultural society, a society which closely parallels a chattel slave holding one. It is not at all a coincidence that the countries which are the hotbeds of and promoters of the wage slavery based cult/ideology of multiculturalism today, the Anglosphere, were also part of the British Empire which some two hundred plus years ago dominated the global trade in slaves.

    Bear in mind when I use the term ‘wage slavery’ I am specifically using it in the way it was used historically and much more accurately in regards to what is called by that term of propoganda ‘cheap labor’, an innocuous sounding term which was invented by the slave dealers and merchandisers in the early 1800′s to sell the general public on this poison, and which is a phenomena characterized by ‘the immigant’ and ahistorical ‘mass immigration’. I am not using the term (wage slavery) in reference to legitimate and generic wage labor, which at times might consist of somewhat low pay, where those of a ‘red’ persuasion have all too readily much abused it.

    The British Empire, acting in conjunction with the US north-eastern states and its Northwestern Territory, and simultaneous with chattel slavery’s not coincidental abolition in the latter 1780′s, 1790′s, and early to mid 19th century, were the first to apply chattel slavery and its trade monetized, ie wage slavery. It seems it was the United States though, much to the very great harm of its then predominantly Anglo-Saxon population, that would get the first heavy doses of it. Just as with chattel slavery in British North America, this new slavery was put in place by diktat, and just as with chattel slavery, this new monetized slavery would have genocidal effects (now much enhanced due to the much greater level of predation taking place) both on those peoples preyed upon as a source and those peoples whom by diktat are on the receiving end. Slavery, whether it be its chattel or monetized variant, has with great reason quite correctly been called historically ‘a scourge upon humanity’.

    One should be aware that at the founding of the US in 1776 that chattel slavery and its trade existed throughout the British North American colonies, north and south. The north had slaves as well, albeit fewer than the south due to climate, and tended for a variety of reasons to be more market and commerce orientated. It was the northeastern colonies, and later states, in particular Massachusetts, which more or less ‘ran the show’ as to the marketing and distribution of the slaves, ie they were the slave dealers in British North America. Ships have to be built, insurance provided for said ships and slave cargo, fees paid for the slave’s sale, etc. Generally when there’s a product that’s bad, such as drugs or slaves, it’s the dealer that’s considered worse as compared to the consumer. The north won the US Civil War of 1861-1865, a war which in reality was a result of the clash between these two systems of slavery, and the victors write the history books, so you don’t read or hear about these aspects. Had the southern states won, we’d probably hear the slaves just about wanted to be in their condition of servitude and it was a grand thing for all, white and black, though that’s certainly not the case and ultimately had the south won the war I think it would have resulted in the same situation we have today.

    As for the person who owns slaves, driven by self-centered and short sighted monetary interest, and a callous disregard towards both the slave and towards their own (slave owner’s) people, there is a refusal to pay the local cost of labor to one of their own. You have the exact same phenomena when the former would be slave owner/dealer ‘imports’ a cheap laborer, ie ‘the immigrant’ rather than employ one of their own. They are getting no doubt less of a ‘hit’ of unpaid labor with the ‘imported’ immigrant, ie maybe fifty percent or twenty-five percent below what was or would be the prevailing local labor cost (without the ‘mass immigration’) to pay one of their own, compared to say seventy or eighty percent below local labor cost with a chattel slave, but they no longer have to pay the ‘overhead’ costs such as housing, clothing, care of the slave in their unproductive old age, etc, all of which was no doubt a great trouble to the slave owner. With the wage slave cheap laborer, they also no longer have be concerned about the occasional worrisome slave revolt on their property, that, as with the old age cost of care of the chattel slave, is now ‘outsourced’ to (ie dumped upon) the non-exploiting general public to deal with in sporadic rioting and looting in the cities and greatly increased charity and public welfare expenses. Concerns about family bloodlines of slave owners getting ‘mixed’ with the chattel slaves whom were housed in relative close proximity was also alleviated with the wage slave (ie cheap labor) system, that concern too now having been outsourced to the general public to deal with. It’s true that in time the wages of the cheap laborer may well go up and that he or she moves on, but that’s no problem, as the former would be slave owner simply hires a replacement wage slave, and hence the deliberately uncontrolled borders and lax immigration policies which provide a nearly continuos flow of ‘immigrants’.

    One should not forget that wage slavery also has a secondary effect, that of depressing wages in general in whatever field the ‘cheap laborers’ are employed, which closely parallels the reports of virtual economic depressions in the countryside surrounding the southern plantations amongst the slave owner’s own (non-slave owning) people…you know, the people whom all too often would get slapped with the label ‘white trash’ by the slave owners, just as these same lower class or underclass whites today are all too often slapped with the same label by their own whom import wage slave ‘immigrants’ as cheap laborers rather than employ their own. The vast majority of the public then did not own slaves, but rather had to suffer greatly with it, just as most today don’t prey upon and exploit an imported ‘immigrant’ as a wage slave, ie a ‘cheap laborer’, and also have to suffer with it. Most people then and now do their own physical manual labor. This would explain why a huge number of unskilled jobs in the US start out and often remain at a nearly unliveable ten dollars an hour range.

    Lastly, but quite importantly to the morale of the would be slave owner/dealer of the past, with the cheap labor/mass immigration system they now get to play act that they are the good guys, all while still getting their ‘hit’ of unpaid labor with the ‘immigrant’. With the cheap labor/mass immigration system they have outsourced most of the negatives of chattel slavery, including its genocidal aspects, to the general non-exploiting public and have with the sjw largely conditioned this public with the cult ideology of multi-culturalism that this is all good for them and to embrace it. They’ve even outsourced the blame for chattel slavery on that historically generally non-slave owning public, of whom both the chattel and now wage slavery (ie ‘cheap labor’ so called) systems have been imposed by diktat. From their vantage point, the former would be slave owners/dealers get to have their cake and eat it too.

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  118. V says:

    It might be shocking to some, but the Radical Republicans of the US Civil War era would have fit right in with many of today’s sjw’s. Massachusetts was a major power center of these largely Anglo-Saxon ‘Radicals’. It was not coincidentally also historically a primary center of Puritanism, the slave trade in British North America, and reflective of that long dysfunctional relationship that has existed between the Anglo-Saxon and Jewish people, a primary power center of the Jewish people as well, all intertwined. So you had people there in the north-east that were used to not only owning slaves themselves, but of merchandising them as well. As the descendants of those African slaves will today often freely tell you themselves, they are quite different from those Anglo-Saxon and Jewish ancestried that brought them in to British North America. So you had persons there whom were quite used to owning slaves and merchandising these very different from their own people, all this being done within the context of most of the population not owning slaves, or dealing them, and having to suffer grievously with this practice, quite correctly historically referred to as ‘a scourge upon humanity’. So when chattel slavery and its trade was monetized in the latter 18th and early 19th century with the cheap labor/mass immigration system we have today, the very economic basis of the ideology of multiculturalism, people being creatures of habit continued just as they had before in the northeast where the ‘cheap labor’ system was first introduced. The former would be slave owners continued to prey upon defeated and broken peoples, often quite different from themselves, now rather than them being African (though in time that would come) as before, they might initially be Irish or French Quebec. The former would be slave dealers too would continue on as before, ie with a callous disregard towards their fellow man. As the British Empire and the US slowly but surely moved towards the complete adoption of the cheap labor/mass immigration system the slave dealers seamlessly moved in with their old slave ships to transport the now paying wage slaves (yes, they quite literally did at times simply use the former slavers). Just as with chattel slavery the wage slavery system retained its genocidal effects on both those preyed upon as a source and those by diktat whom are on the receiving end. Just as before with chattel slavery, the largely Anglo-Saxon population of the US would experience the genocidal effects of this wage slavery scourge, now much accelerated, and unfortunately fail to separate themselves from these slavery addicted elites and hangers on, though sensing something was not right they would make an imperfect attempt to do so in the 1850′s with the Know Nothings.

    At first because the country was largely agricultural with family owned farms, and little industry, the very negative consequences of this newly introduced slavery wasn’t felt so much at first. However, even before industrialisation of the 1820’s and 1830’s took effect, this process of the physical displacement of the Anglo-Saxon general public and work force was taking place with the wage slavery system. This physical and cultural destruction was something that had been ongoing with chattel slavery, particularly in the US south, albeit at a slower pace, but would be greatly accelerated with the introduction of the wage slavery system (ie ‘cheap labor’ so called) due to its more virulent nature.

    As described below regarding the construction of the Erie Canal in the US north the local Anglo-Saxon work force was quickly displaced by imported Irish.

    The first diggers were [Anglo-Saxon] Americans…By 1818 Irishmen arrived to work on the canal and soon became the majority element in the workforce.

    The construction of the great Erie Canal began on July 4, 1817.

    The first diggers were Americans, hut it soon became apparent that the enormous project could not be accomplished with local farmers and farm workers who also needed to tend their fields.

    By 1818 Irishmen arrived to work on the canal and soon became the majority element in the workforce. They remained so for the next seven years of construction until the longest canal in the world (363 miles) was completed in the fall of 1825.

    Going on past the US Civil War which was quite literally the result of the clash between the chattel and wage slavery systems of the US south and north respectively, I’ll mention here something I read just recently. It involved the Borden family of Fall River, Massachusetts, ie the same family of the infamous Lizzie Borden. This family in 1893 was in today’s dollars worth multi-millions and was quite well off. A little over a hundred years or so before this Anglo-Saxon family would of been the same type or sort to either own chattel slaves or be involved with the slave trade, possibly both, in callous disregard to their own Anglo-Saxon people and the African slave’s people as well. Whether or not the Borden family owned slaves in the 18th century they were continuing the tradition of all too many of their class with just the little bit I read. The family had an Irish ‘immigrant’ maid, and a worker who briefly stopped by their house, was also an ‘immigrant’ from Portugal who worked IIRC in a textile plant that the Borden family had investments in.

    Not coincidentally regarding this slave history Mass has been historically the center of US liberalism. Just as when in the past they would ostentatiously at times ‘dote’ upon their chattel slaves in front of their slave owning friends and associates, with the occasional small gift, not truly caring enough about the slaves nor their own to free them or stop the practice mind you, they still dote upon their wage slave immigrants today with no regard for the other whom they exploit or their own. Now though instead of using their own funds for these gifts they use your money instead in what (then and now) is a rather pathetic attempt to boost their self worth in both their own eyes and the eyes of others. And of course just as with their chattel slaves, they ‘care’ about their wage slave immigrants to the extent they can systematically steal the value of their labor. Which all explains the cynical development of the ‘sanctuary city’ and now entire state with California, to attract as many wage slaves as possible to those places.

    Getting back to Massachusetts this largely Puritan colony was the initial home of Stanley Ann Dunham’s family on her father’s side in the 17th century. Ann Dunham is Barack Obama’s mother of course. The family in time would move to Indiana, and then Kansas in the 1800’s, where Ann was born. Kansas was it will be recalled the preliminary to the US Civil War in the latter 1850’s where advocates of wage and chattel slavery from the US north and south respectively would fight it out. Whether Ann Dunham’s northern family was a part of that I don’t know, but if they were it would certainly fit the pattern. Ann Dunham would then go on to be raised in liberal Washington state, bearing in mind those Puritan minded (now often liberal minded) of the northeast tended to go straight west when they migrated and very often ended up in the northwest. Ann Dunham then went to college in Hawaii, met a certain person from Africa, and the rest is history.

    Lastly, I came across a website linked below regarding chattel slavery in the north. The creator of the site couldn’t understand why so few knew chattel slavery had existed in the US north, and not just the south. Indeed at the start of the US Civil War in 1861 there were legally owned chattel slaves in the north, ie New Jersey. I’ll submit a reason as to why this historical denial exist, particularly in regards to New England as to the existance of chattel slavery in the north. I think they could deal with elements among them having owned slaves and that all too many of these slave owners were slave dealers as well, if that was it, if that was all. Hey, mistakes happen even with the best of people. But that’s just it, that was not all there was to it, as I think that despite their denial that deep in their hearts they realize that chattel slavery and its trade was simply monetized with the wage slavery system (ie ‘cheap labor’ so called) and that they still are heavily involved in this genocidal and destructive business. Chattel slavery was abolished, but slavery itself, the essence of which is simply the systematic theft of the value of an individual’s labor, continues on stronger and more virulent than ever in the much more efficient and profitable wage slavery system with its required perpetual ‘mass immigration.’ It certainly bothers them a great deal that people once hearing that the north had chattel slaves might notice what appeared roughly coinciding with its fading away, the ahistorical phenomena known as ‘mass immigration’. And that a person could then connect the dots and realize that ‘the immigrant’ in the multi-cultural society, whether unskilled or not, and while working below what would be the prevailing local cost of the labor without the said ‘immigration’, indeed the whole point of the ‘immigrant’ being imported in, performs exactly the same role and function that the chattel slave did, whether unskilled or skilled. What’s worse though, if they were not in denial about it, they would have to look into their own hearts, and that apparently terrifies them. Rather than do the healthy thing, ie face it squarely, and deal with it head on, correcting past and current errors as best as possible, and choose life, apparently those Anglo-Saxon elites and hangers on involved historically with chattel and wage slavery instead choose to hate themselves while simultaneously projecting this hatred upon others, and commit a type of suicide. It’s bad enough they do that but the sjw types, like the person who commits a murder suicide, wants to take others with them. Is that what Ann Dunham did, having internalized this self destructive mind set of the north-eastern wage slaving elites and their hangers on, though her own family (like most) may well not have engaged in any way in the chattel or wage slave systems, when she willfully chose to wreck her life, get impregnated as she did, and give birth to Barack Obama?

    When the minutemen marched off to face the redcoats at Lexington [Mass] in 1775, the wives, boys and old men they left behind in Framingham took up axes, clubs, and pitchforks and barred themselves in their homes because of a widespread, and widely credited, rumor that the local slaves planned to rise up and massacre the white inhabitants while the militia was away.[2]

    In Connecticut in the 1950s, when I was growing up, the only slavery discussed in my history textbook was southern; New Englanders had marched south to end slavery. It was in Rhode Island, where I lived after 1964, that I first stumbled across an obscure reference to local slavery, but almost no one I asked knew anything about it…

    http://patflannery.com/IrishHistory/ErieCanal.htm#Top

    http://slavenorth.com/

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  119. Quite lengthy but excellent article. Always appreciate a spotlight on the sinister Zionist-SJW connection. And I don’t know what “Irish fever” is but I think I’ve got it.

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    In addition to rental property and investments, Lizzie Borden’s Father was a money lender who charged high interest rates.

    That’s why the police suspected the murderer was one of Borden’s many victims and easily believed Lizzie’s alibi at first.
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  120. V says:
    @Malla
    Todays SJWs are misfits and idiots who are the result of decades of Marxist propaganda via the education system and the media. They are financed and directed by the globalist elites to destroy Western civilization and the White race. This is important before the globalists can set up their one world government slave society on Earth. These same globalist elites financed nearly all the anti-colonial movements, the destruction of South Africa and Rhodesia, spreading of Communism and now finally the West.

    They are financed and directed by the globalist elites to destroy Western civilization and the White race. This is important before the globalists can set up their one world government slave society on Earth.

    I think your quite right about that.

    On occasion it happens in times of war and great crises that things which are normally hidden from view come out in the open. Most everyone can recall the WWII era photograph of Joseph Stalin flanked by both Churchill and Roosevelt, the reality being that of a Communist flanked by his two Capitalist masters. Then there was the poster of the war time Soviet soldier with the caption ‘This man is your friend’ aimed at the US armed forces. While no doubt the forces promoting international hyper-capitalism do see Communism as a ‘friend’ of theirs its highly doubtful as to whether the system that soldier represented on the poster was or is a friend to most everyday individuals, man or woman.

    Almost a hundred years prior to WWII there was another great cataclysm, ie the Irish Famine of the years 1845-1850. Due to the potato blight and the heavy reliance on the potato crop for sustenance in Ireland, along with the application of almost pure laisez faire free market capitalism to the affair by the British Empire, the result was a famine which cost the lives of an estimated one million Irish. Another one million Irish during this same approximate period were lost due to the enmasse predation of the Irish population recruited as wage slaves (ie ‘cheap laborers’ so called) to the United States and far flung places of the British Empire. Most of these latter Irish would never see Ireland again, that is the ones that survived the trip overseas as a great many didn’t. Ireland proper therefore during these years lost two million people, fully a quarter of its population, due to the famine and the described enmasse predation. Ireland looked just about ‘done for’.

    In 1851 the London Times published an editorial regarding a tour of Ireland made by Abbott Lawrence, the US ambassador to the UK, which at the time included the whole of Ireland. Bear in mind that London Times editorials are not just any British journalism as they have long been seen as a mouthpiece for official British government thought regarding policy. While the famine had by then abated somewhat, the enmasse predation of the Irish was still continuing in very great number (ie Ireland was losing 250,000 people a year to this, the same number approximately that it had been losing yearly to famine) and looked as though it might continue on for many years. Lawrence was a Massachusetts textile factory magnate and as Ireland had become a primary source of wage slaves for his manufacturing plants his appointment as US ambassador to the UK was no doubt seen by him as a plum post. The Times editorial openly describes the Irish people being ‘known no more’ as a people, not due to the famine, but due to their enmasse predation as a source of wage slaves. The historic ‘immigrant’ Plantatation of the north of Ireland and the resulting ‘mixed’ population there is referred to in slave terms by the editorial as being ‘more mixed’, ‘more docile’, and which much unlike the purely indigenous Irish, ‘submits to a master’. The editorial indicates that it is to be this ‘mixed’ population of the north of Ireland that is to be used to occupy the rest of Ireland where the original Irish had once been. The Irish which have gone to the US as wage slaves, ie to places such as Abbott Lawrence’s newly constructed industrial town of Lawrence, Mass, officially nicknamed ‘Immigrant City’ to this day, are to ‘mix with the Anglo-American’, and thus be ‘known no more’. The editorial adds, something that sjws would no doubt be in agreement with, that, ‘the great law of Providence…seems to reward and enjoin the mixing of races.’ It was not coincidental that the then still largely Anglo-Saxon United States, wishing to preserve itself, would see the rise of the ‘Know Nothing’ movement only a few short years after this editorial was published.

    ‘It [the Irish people] will mix with the Anglo-American, and be known no more as a jealous and separate people.’

    London Times – 1851

    The prosperity and happiness he [Lawrence] speaks of may some day reign over that beautiful island. It’s fertile soil, its water-power, its minerals, and other materials for the wants and luxuries of man, may one day be developed; but all apearances are against the belief that this will ever happen in the days of the Celt. That tribe will soon fulfill the great law of Providence which seems to enjoin and reward the union of races. It will mix with the Anglo-American, and be known no more as a jealous and separate people. Its present place will be occupied by the more mixed, more docile, and more serviceable race, which has long borne the yoke of sturdy industry in this island, which can submit to a master and obey the law…

    During the primordial days of the multicult in the mid 19th century they were a lot more open and plain spoken about these things in the media of the day. Since that time they’ve discovered the power of Pavlovian conditoning, aka positive reinforcement, and are not so blunt about things. Catch more flies with honey than with vinegar and all that.

    So, in one editorial regarding this great crises, you have all the ingredients of modern multiculturalism presented, sans the modern acoutrement of the often fraudulent ‘asylum seeker’ and ‘refugee’ which have been tossed in to obsfuscate the slavery which as at the core of the ideology. You have open acknowledgements of the closely parallelling chattel and wage slavery (ie ‘cheap labor’ so called) systems genocidal effects on both those people preyed upon as a source and those by diktat on the receiving end. There is the slave references to the historic ‘immigrant’ plantation population in the north of Ireland, and the resulting ‘more mixed’ population there described as slaves, this ‘mixing’ of peoples indeed being a major part of the role of ‘the immigrant’ as a wage slave in the multicultural society. And then that ‘Providence’ ‘rewards and enjoins’ this genocidal and quite unnatural ‘mixing’ which as the London Times gently clarifies results in a people being ‘more mixed, more docile, and which submits to a master’. The editorial also notes, though not excerpted here, that there are great new markets opening up as a result of all this human misery, ie, amongst other things, the shipping firms which are hired out to transport the Irish away from Ireland, again closely paralleling chattel slavery. Another parallel of wage slavery with chattel slavery is the predation of broken and defeated peoples for these slaves, here being an Ireland which has historically experienced Cromwell, is under long term British occupation, and stricken with famine on top of it.

    And what did the Irish themselves call this enmasse predation of their people as wage slaves which the London Times declared would soon enough result in the Irish people being ‘known no more’? As documented by the The Spectator of London in 1847 which is quoted from and linked below…they called it ‘extermination’.

    This editorial was starkly entitled ‘Extermination and Vengeance’ as the Irish people were actively shooting those in Ireland that were promoting their enmasse predation as wage slaves to the United States. I’ve linked the two complete editorials below.

    Such is the conduct which the Irish incendiaries name “extermination.”

    The Spectator – 1847

    The case of Mr. Ormsby Gore is very instructive. The Irish papers, alluding to his estate of Leganommer, had a terrific story of “extermination in Leitrim,” full of direct falsehoods. Setting aside smaller matters, it appears that the tenants on the estate owed rent for several years, in some instances for as many as twelve or fourteen; one year’s rent was demanded, under pain of a twelvemonth’s notice to quit: not a shilling of rent was offered, and the notice was enforced; but the enforcement was accompanied with a declaration that those who could not retain their holdings would be aided by their landlord to emigrate to America. Such is the conduct which the Irish incendiaries name “extermination.”

    One close parallel between the chattel and wage slavery systems that the editorial doesn’t describe directly is the loss of life that occurs. People might recall the scene in Amistad where, being chased by a ship of the West African squadron the slaver decides to jettison its load of chattel slaves into the ocean (with large rocks tied to their bodies so that they would sink and drown) so as to avoid their capture and prosecution. There is the exact parallel in the US and now unfortunately Europe where when the law gets too hot for some of these wage slave smugglers, they too do just as their slaver forebears did in the 18th century and jettison their human loads. They do this by simply abandoning the enclosed and sealed van trailers on the side of the road or in parking lots. I’ve linked two cases below, one in Europe where fifty ‘migrants’ were found dead and another in the US where approximately ten bodies were found inside of an abandoned trailer. Their blood, as well as the associated genocide and slavery that is occurring with the wage slavery system, is on the heads of the sjws who by their support and unbridled advocacy of uncontrolled mass immigration enable these tragedies to occur.

    http://ebooks.library.cornell.edu/cgi/t/text/pageviewer-idx?c=livn;cc=livn;rgn=full%20text;idno=livn0031-7;didno=livn0031-7;view=image;seq=296;node=livn0031-7%3A1;page=root;size=100

    http://archive.spectator.co.uk/article/20th-november-1847/12/extermination-and-vengeance

    https://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/672183?keywords=austria-migrants-truck-human&year=2015&month=08&date=27&id=672183&aliaspath=%2FManage%2FArticles%2FTemplate-Wire&oref=r.search.yahoo.com

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/eight-dead-inside-truck-texas-143117349.html

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    Thanks that was very informative. Wage slavery is a type of slavery we are in right now. Anyways, the long term plans for the elites is global communism slavery.

    People might recall the scene in Amistad where, being chased by a ship of the West African squadron the slaver decides to jettison its load of chattel slaves into the ocean (with large rocks tied to their bodies so that they would sink and drown) so as to avoid their capture and prosecution. There is the exact parallel in the US and now unfortunately Europe where when the law gets too hot for some of these wage slave smugglers, they too do just as their slaver forebears did in the 18th century and jettison their human loads. They do this by simply abandoning the enclosed and sealed van trailers on the side of the road or in parking lots
     
    What a bunch of scum to do something like that!!
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  121. V says:
    @Malla
    Todays SJWs are misfits and idiots who are the result of decades of Marxist propaganda via the education system and the media. They are financed and directed by the globalist elites to destroy Western civilization and the White race. This is important before the globalists can set up their one world government slave society on Earth. These same globalist elites financed nearly all the anti-colonial movements, the destruction of South Africa and Rhodesia, spreading of Communism and now finally the West.

    This is important before the globalists can set up their one world government slave society on Earth.

    Bearing in mind that all a slave owner wishes to do hook or by crook (often times a lot of crook) is to pay cost significantly below the actual or expected local value of an individual’s labor, and does so by purchasing and importing someone not of their own, a chattel, to do this. The slave dealer wishes at profit to himself to provide these chattel slaves to the slave owners. With wage slavery the former would be slave owner still get this ‘hit’ of unpaid labor by simply paying significantly below the local labor costs to employ one of their own by importing someone typically not of their own, ‘the immigrant’. The would be slave dealer is present in this process as before by arranging transportation, food, lodging, etc, for the ‘wage slaves’. This is all done within the framework of a callous and utter disregard towards one’s fellow man, both towards their own, and towards those broken and defeated people’s preyed upon as a source of this stolen labor. By it’s very nature, whereever you have slavery practiced, whether it be chattel or wage you typically have people rejecting their own for short term financial gain. There’s no free lunch with slavery as due to its genocidal effects if allowed to go on long enough it will ultimately destroy any people where its become entrenched.

    I think if the idea is correct that they intend to enslave most everyone it would be through the wage slavery system, where most everyone will indeed be a rootless ‘immigrant’ and like a great many of the present day Chinese the person will be paid a dollar an hour or its equivalent to work at a factory or somesuch, and maybe allowed a broken down bike (very green!) and a hovel to live in communally with others. The sjw’s, having embraced or having failed to succesfully resist the multicult conditioning, by their rhetoric seem unknowingly and unwittingly quite ready with great joy to embrace such a future and act as though they would quite happily enforce this nightmare as modern day Red Guards, at the behest of their corporate masters.

    Anyhow, if you can’t get enough of the wage slaves to come to you, you go directly to the slaves.

    The below was published in The Spectator of London in 1850, about a year before the London Times editorial regarding the textile magnate/US ambassador Abbott Lawrence posted in this same thread. It outlines plans to move US manufacturing plants (ie textile mills) to Ireland. Note the context of these plans, an Ireland quite unhappily married to the British Empire and experiencing famine to boot. This same type of predation is exactly the same thing that goes on today when US corporations not wanting to pay twenty dollars an hour to workers here find they can pay a crushed by communism Chinese work force one dollar an hour there. Also note how the article openly speaks of the ‘cheap labor’ in slave terms referring to it as ‘this British substitute for slave labour’. This was at a time that chattel slavery was still practiced in the world and the general public from personal observation had a lot better understanding of its mechanics and the dynamics that drive it.

    In the primordial days of the multicult during the mid 19th century they were a lot more open and plain spoken about these things in the media.

    this encouragement of low wages, this British substitute for “slave-labour”

    The Spectator – 1850

    AMERICAN FACTORIES IN IRELAND

    A Protectionist Nemesis is prophesied in the form of the most singular invasion ever threatened. to Great Britain—an invasion of American manufacturers, who are to set up factories in the West of Ireland, to compete with the factories of Laneashire, and to secure a larger consumption of American cotton…But were it practicable and true, how is it that we find a Protectionist advocating the wholesale invasion of foreign enterprise, this competition with ” native industry,” this encouragement of low wages, this British substitute for ” slave-labour”? The oblivion of principles is as striking a part of the dream as any.

    http://archive.spectator.co.uk/article/22nd-june-1850/15/american-factories-in-ireland

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    Malla is a Kayast so whitewashes British rule because his tribe are among the top collaborators।।

    Back on topic, so how do we prevent this mass chattel importation?
    , @Malla

    I think if the idea is correct that they intend to enslave most everyone it would be through the wage slavery system, where most everyone will indeed be a rootless ‘immigrant’ and like a great many of the present day Chinese the person will be paid a dollar an hour or its equivalent to work at a factory or somesuch, and maybe allowed a broken down bike (very green!) and a hovel to live in communally with others. The sjw’s, having embraced or having failed to succesfully resist the multicult conditioning, by their rhetoric seem unknowingly and unwittingly quite ready with great joy to embrace such a future and act as though they would quite happily enforce this nightmare as modern day Red Guards, at the behest of their corporate masters.
     
    Exactly!!! Brilliant. That is the Grand Plan.
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  122. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @V

    This is important before the globalists can set up their one world government slave society on Earth.
     
    Bearing in mind that all a slave owner wishes to do hook or by crook (often times a lot of crook) is to pay cost significantly below the actual or expected local value of an individual's labor, and does so by purchasing and importing someone not of their own, a chattel, to do this. The slave dealer wishes at profit to himself to provide these chattel slaves to the slave owners. With wage slavery the former would be slave owner still get this 'hit' of unpaid labor by simply paying significantly below the local labor costs to employ one of their own by importing someone typically not of their own, 'the immigrant'. The would be slave dealer is present in this process as before by arranging transportation, food, lodging, etc, for the 'wage slaves'. This is all done within the framework of a callous and utter disregard towards one's fellow man, both towards their own, and towards those broken and defeated people's preyed upon as a source of this stolen labor. By it's very nature, whereever you have slavery practiced, whether it be chattel or wage you typically have people rejecting their own for short term financial gain. There's no free lunch with slavery as due to its genocidal effects if allowed to go on long enough it will ultimately destroy any people where its become entrenched.

    I think if the idea is correct that they intend to enslave most everyone it would be through the wage slavery system, where most everyone will indeed be a rootless 'immigrant' and like a great many of the present day Chinese the person will be paid a dollar an hour or its equivalent to work at a factory or somesuch, and maybe allowed a broken down bike (very green!) and a hovel to live in communally with others. The sjw's, having embraced or having failed to succesfully resist the multicult conditioning, by their rhetoric seem unknowingly and unwittingly quite ready with great joy to embrace such a future and act as though they would quite happily enforce this nightmare as modern day Red Guards, at the behest of their corporate masters.

    Anyhow, if you can’t get enough of the wage slaves to come to you, you go directly to the slaves.

    The below was published in The Spectator of London in 1850, about a year before the London Times editorial regarding the textile magnate/US ambassador Abbott Lawrence posted in this same thread. It outlines plans to move US manufacturing plants (ie textile mills) to Ireland. Note the context of these plans, an Ireland quite unhappily married to the British Empire and experiencing famine to boot. This same type of predation is exactly the same thing that goes on today when US corporations not wanting to pay twenty dollars an hour to workers here find they can pay a crushed by communism Chinese work force one dollar an hour there. Also note how the article openly speaks of the ‘cheap labor’ in slave terms referring to it as ‘this British substitute for slave labour’. This was at a time that chattel slavery was still practiced in the world and the general public from personal observation had a lot better understanding of its mechanics and the dynamics that drive it.

    In the primordial days of the multicult during the mid 19th century they were a lot more open and plain spoken about these things in the media.

    this encouragement of low wages, this British substitute for “slave-labour”


    The Spectator - 1850

    AMERICAN FACTORIES IN IRELAND

    A Protectionist Nemesis is prophesied in the form of the most singular invasion ever threatened. to Great Britain—an invasion of American manufacturers, who are to set up factories in the West of Ireland, to compete with the factories of Laneashire, and to secure a larger consumption of American cotton…But were it practicable and true, how is it that we find a Protectionist advocating the wholesale invasion of foreign enterprise, this competition with ” native industry,” this encouragement of low wages, this British substitute for ” slave-labour”? The oblivion of principles is as striking a part of the dream as any.
     

    http://archive.spectator.co.uk/article/22nd-june-1850/15/american-factories-in-ireland

    Malla is a Kayast so whitewashes British rule because his tribe are among the top collaborators।।

    Back on topic, so how do we prevent this mass chattel importation?

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    Malla is a Kayast so whitewashes British rule because his tribe are among the top collaborators
     
    How did you come to know I am a Kayasta?
    LOL we collaborated as much as or even less than Brahmins did and many Kayasthas opposed the British Empire. Subhash Chandra Bose was a Bengali Kayastha and Bal Thakaray the Hinduvadi leader of the Hindu Shiv Sena party in Maharashtra is from the Maharastrian Kayastha (CKP) community.
    If you think Brahmins did not collaborate with the British, Portuguese or the Mughals, you are a fool. A large part of the giant British Raj Bureaucracy , Portuguese Bureaucracy in Goa and even the late Mughal Bureaucracy had loads of Brahmins in them working like drones.
    We Kayasthas were traditionally scrolls or writers in royal courts from ancient Hindu/Buddhist/Jain periods so obviously we naturally gravitated to bureaucratic/intellectual roles in the British Raj and even now in the Indian Government. During the Islamic times we lost our traditional source of livelihood as not only did we have to compete with Brahmins but also Persians in intellectual roles and somehow the muslim rulers never liked us very much.
    The Persians were the Brahmins (intellectual roles) of the Islamic world during the Delhi Sultanate, Turk and Mongols were the warrior Kshatriyas and Arabs traders as well as Jain/Hindu traders took up mercantile roles. We were squeezed out. Even the Hindu Maratha era was not of much use to us. So when the British Raj came and destroyed Islamic power completely and set up the Empire in India, we worked hard to regain our traditional roles in intellectual fields in the new British Indian bureaucracy as we had in ancient times during Hindu/Buddhist periods. That cannot be called collaboration.
    That way nearly all communities collaborated with the British as well as opposed them at different periods. Dalits, Sikhs, Brahmins, Gurkhas, Muslims, Tribals, Rajputs, Afghan Pathans/Pastuns etc... you name it.
    And most Kayasthas I know are hardcore brainwashed Hinduvadi crackpots like you, I do not agree with them.
    , @V

    Back on topic, so how do we prevent this mass chattel importation?
     
    One of the most important things a person and their society can do is understand the mechanics of chattel slavery and what drives an individual to own slaves. Once, they understand that it's not too difficult to see the close parallels between the chattel and wage slavery systems, the latter often called by that term of propoganda, 'cheap labor'. As mentioned, the multicultural society, with the 'cheap labor'/mass immigration system being its economic basis, closely parallels the chattel slave holding society. The 'immigrant' in the multicult society, whether unskilled or skilled, is the slave in this system for whatever time period he or she is paid below what was or would have been the expected prevailing local cost of labor to the employer to pay one of his own if the immigration was not taking place.

    Just understanding the strong slavery aspects of the multicult system helps a person to defend against it. After all, who wants to be a slave?
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  123. Malla says:
    @V

    They are financed and directed by the globalist elites to destroy Western civilization and the White race. This is important before the globalists can set up their one world government slave society on Earth.
     
    I think your quite right about that.

    On occasion it happens in times of war and great crises that things which are normally hidden from view come out in the open. Most everyone can recall the WWII era photograph of Joseph Stalin flanked by both Churchill and Roosevelt, the reality being that of a Communist flanked by his two Capitalist masters. Then there was the poster of the war time Soviet soldier with the caption ‘This man is your friend’ aimed at the US armed forces. While no doubt the forces promoting international hyper-capitalism do see Communism as a ‘friend’ of theirs its highly doubtful as to whether the system that soldier represented on the poster was or is a friend to most everyday individuals, man or woman.

    Almost a hundred years prior to WWII there was another great cataclysm, ie the Irish Famine of the years 1845-1850. Due to the potato blight and the heavy reliance on the potato crop for sustenance in Ireland, along with the application of almost pure laisez faire free market capitalism to the affair by the British Empire, the result was a famine which cost the lives of an estimated one million Irish. Another one million Irish during this same approximate period were lost due to the enmasse predation of the Irish population recruited as wage slaves (ie ‘cheap laborers’ so called) to the United States and far flung places of the British Empire. Most of these latter Irish would never see Ireland again, that is the ones that survived the trip overseas as a great many didn’t. Ireland proper therefore during these years lost two million people, fully a quarter of its population, due to the famine and the described enmasse predation. Ireland looked just about ‘done for’.

    In 1851 the London Times published an editorial regarding a tour of Ireland made by Abbott Lawrence, the US ambassador to the UK, which at the time included the whole of Ireland. Bear in mind that London Times editorials are not just any British journalism as they have long been seen as a mouthpiece for official British government thought regarding policy. While the famine had by then abated somewhat, the enmasse predation of the Irish was still continuing in very great number (ie Ireland was losing 250,000 people a year to this, the same number approximately that it had been losing yearly to famine) and looked as though it might continue on for many years. Lawrence was a Massachusetts textile factory magnate and as Ireland had become a primary source of wage slaves for his manufacturing plants his appointment as US ambassador to the UK was no doubt seen by him as a plum post. The Times editorial openly describes the Irish people being ‘known no more’ as a people, not due to the famine, but due to their enmasse predation as a source of wage slaves. The historic ‘immigrant’ Plantatation of the north of Ireland and the resulting 'mixed' population there is referred to in slave terms by the editorial as being ‘more mixed’, ‘more docile’, and which much unlike the purely indigenous Irish, ‘submits to a master’. The editorial indicates that it is to be this ‘mixed’ population of the north of Ireland that is to be used to occupy the rest of Ireland where the original Irish had once been. The Irish which have gone to the US as wage slaves, ie to places such as Abbott Lawrence’s newly constructed industrial town of Lawrence, Mass, officially nicknamed ‘Immigrant City’ to this day, are to ‘mix with the Anglo-American’, and thus be ‘known no more’. The editorial adds, something that sjws would no doubt be in agreement with, that, ‘the great law of Providence...seems to reward and enjoin the mixing of races.’ It was not coincidental that the then still largely Anglo-Saxon United States, wishing to preserve itself, would see the rise of the ‘Know Nothing’ movement only a few short years after this editorial was published.

    'It [the Irish people] will mix with the Anglo-American, and be known no more as a jealous and separate people.'

    London Times - 1851

    The prosperity and happiness he [Lawrence] speaks of may some day reign over that beautiful island. It’s fertile soil, its water-power, its minerals, and other materials for the wants and luxuries of man, may one day be developed; but all apearances are against the belief that this will ever happen in the days of the Celt. That tribe will soon fulfill the great law of Providence which seems to enjoin and reward the union of races. It will mix with the Anglo-American, and be known no more as a jealous and separate people. Its present place will be occupied by the more mixed, more docile, and more serviceable race, which has long borne the yoke of sturdy industry in this island, which can submit to a master and obey the law…
     
    During the primordial days of the multicult in the mid 19th century they were a lot more open and plain spoken about these things in the media of the day. Since that time they've discovered the power of Pavlovian conditoning, aka positive reinforcement, and are not so blunt about things. Catch more flies with honey than with vinegar and all that.

    So, in one editorial regarding this great crises, you have all the ingredients of modern multiculturalism presented, sans the modern acoutrement of the often fraudulent 'asylum seeker' and 'refugee' which have been tossed in to obsfuscate the slavery which as at the core of the ideology. You have open acknowledgements of the closely parallelling chattel and wage slavery (ie 'cheap labor' so called) systems genocidal effects on both those people preyed upon as a source and those by diktat on the receiving end. There is the slave references to the historic ‘immigrant’ plantation population in the north of Ireland, and the resulting 'more mixed' population there described as slaves, this 'mixing' of peoples indeed being a major part of the role of 'the immigrant' as a wage slave in the multicultural society. And then that ‘Providence’ ‘rewards and enjoins’ this genocidal and quite unnatural ‘mixing’ which as the London Times gently clarifies results in a people being 'more mixed, more docile, and which submits to a master'. The editorial also notes, though not excerpted here, that there are great new markets opening up as a result of all this human misery, ie, amongst other things, the shipping firms which are hired out to transport the Irish away from Ireland, again closely paralleling chattel slavery. Another parallel of wage slavery with chattel slavery is the predation of broken and defeated peoples for these slaves, here being an Ireland which has historically experienced Cromwell, is under long term British occupation, and stricken with famine on top of it.

    And what did the Irish themselves call this enmasse predation of their people as wage slaves which the London Times declared would soon enough result in the Irish people being ‘known no more’? As documented by the The Spectator of London in 1847 which is quoted from and linked below…they called it ‘extermination’.

    This editorial was starkly entitled 'Extermination and Vengeance' as the Irish people were actively shooting those in Ireland that were promoting their enmasse predation as wage slaves to the United States. I've linked the two complete editorials below.

    Such is the conduct which the Irish incendiaries name “extermination.”

    The Spectator - 1847

    The case of Mr. Ormsby Gore is very instructive. The Irish papers, alluding to his estate of Leganommer, had a terrific story of "extermination in Leitrim,” full of direct falsehoods. Setting aside smaller matters, it appears that the tenants on the estate owed rent for several years, in some instances for as many as twelve or fourteen; one year’s rent was demanded, under pain of a twelvemonth’s notice to quit: not a shilling of rent was offered, and the notice was enforced; but the enforcement was accompanied with a declaration that those who could not retain their holdings would be aided by their landlord to emigrate to America. Such is the conduct which the Irish incendiaries name “extermination.”
     
    One close parallel between the chattel and wage slavery systems that the editorial doesn’t describe directly is the loss of life that occurs. People might recall the scene in Amistad where, being chased by a ship of the West African squadron the slaver decides to jettison its load of chattel slaves into the ocean (with large rocks tied to their bodies so that they would sink and drown) so as to avoid their capture and prosecution. There is the exact parallel in the US and now unfortunately Europe where when the law gets too hot for some of these wage slave smugglers, they too do just as their slaver forebears did in the 18th century and jettison their human loads. They do this by simply abandoning the enclosed and sealed van trailers on the side of the road or in parking lots. I’ve linked two cases below, one in Europe where fifty ‘migrants’ were found dead and another in the US where approximately ten bodies were found inside of an abandoned trailer. Their blood, as well as the associated genocide and slavery that is occurring with the wage slavery system, is on the heads of the sjws who by their support and unbridled advocacy of uncontrolled mass immigration enable these tragedies to occur.

    http://ebooks.library.cornell.edu/cgi/t/text/pageviewer-idx?c=livn;cc=livn;rgn=full%20text;idno=livn0031-7;didno=livn0031-7;view=image;seq=296;node=livn0031-7%3A1;page=root;size=100

    http://archive.spectator.co.uk/article/20th-november-1847/12/extermination-and-vengeance

    https://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/672183?keywords=austria-migrants-truck-human&year=2015&month=08&date=27&id=672183&aliaspath=%2FManage%2FArticles%2FTemplate-Wire&oref=r.search.yahoo.com

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/eight-dead-inside-truck-texas-143117349.html

    Thanks that was very informative. Wage slavery is a type of slavery we are in right now. Anyways, the long term plans for the elites is global communism slavery.

    People might recall the scene in Amistad where, being chased by a ship of the West African squadron the slaver decides to jettison its load of chattel slaves into the ocean (with large rocks tied to their bodies so that they would sink and drown) so as to avoid their capture and prosecution. There is the exact parallel in the US and now unfortunately Europe where when the law gets too hot for some of these wage slave smugglers, they too do just as their slaver forebears did in the 18th century and jettison their human loads. They do this by simply abandoning the enclosed and sealed van trailers on the side of the road or in parking lots

    What a bunch of scum to do something like that!!

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    What a bunch of scum to do something like that!!

    That's true.

    Powerful elements of the Anglo-Saxon elites and their hangers on in both the future US and UK had been corrupted by chattel slavery and its trade during the 17th and 18th centuries. They were quite used to (particularly in British North America) rejecting their own Anglo-Saxon people for short term financial gain with the genocidal chattel slavery and its trade. Reflective of that long dysfunctional relationship that has existed between the Anglo-Saxon and Jewish people powerful elements of the elites of the Jewish people and their hangers on as well have historically been heavily involved in chattel slavery and its trade.

    The failure to deal with chattel slavery and it trade in a truthful manner, and rather than abolish it, simply monetize it, as was done with the introduction of the wage slavery system (ie 'cheap labor' so called) to the world, this slavery being the very economic basis of the multi-cult society, has been a catastrophe of unprecedented proportions to the peoples of the world as well as humanity as a whole.

    The Big Lie, the lie of the millenium, was the 19th century 'abolition' of slavery.

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  124. Malla says:
    @Anon
    Malla is a Kayast so whitewashes British rule because his tribe are among the top collaborators।।

    Back on topic, so how do we prevent this mass chattel importation?

    Malla is a Kayast so whitewashes British rule because his tribe are among the top collaborators

    How did you come to know I am a Kayasta?
    LOL we collaborated as much as or even less than Brahmins did and many Kayasthas opposed the British Empire. Subhash Chandra Bose was a Bengali Kayastha and Bal Thakaray the Hinduvadi leader of the Hindu Shiv Sena party in Maharashtra is from the Maharastrian Kayastha (CKP) community.
    If you think Brahmins did not collaborate with the British, Portuguese or the Mughals, you are a fool. A large part of the giant British Raj Bureaucracy , Portuguese Bureaucracy in Goa and even the late Mughal Bureaucracy had loads of Brahmins in them working like drones.
    We Kayasthas were traditionally scrolls or writers in royal courts from ancient Hindu/Buddhist/Jain periods so obviously we naturally gravitated to bureaucratic/intellectual roles in the British Raj and even now in the Indian Government. During the Islamic times we lost our traditional source of livelihood as not only did we have to compete with Brahmins but also Persians in intellectual roles and somehow the muslim rulers never liked us very much.
    The Persians were the Brahmins (intellectual roles) of the Islamic world during the Delhi Sultanate, Turk and Mongols were the warrior Kshatriyas and Arabs traders as well as Jain/Hindu traders took up mercantile roles. We were squeezed out. Even the Hindu Maratha era was not of much use to us. So when the British Raj came and destroyed Islamic power completely and set up the Empire in India, we worked hard to regain our traditional roles in intellectual fields in the new British Indian bureaucracy as we had in ancient times during Hindu/Buddhist periods. That cannot be called collaboration.
    That way nearly all communities collaborated with the British as well as opposed them at different periods. Dalits, Sikhs, Brahmins, Gurkhas, Muslims, Tribals, Rajputs, Afghan Pathans/Pastuns etc… you name it.
    And most Kayasthas I know are hardcore brainwashed Hinduvadi crackpots like you, I do not agree with them.

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  125. Malla says:
    @V

    This is important before the globalists can set up their one world government slave society on Earth.
     
    Bearing in mind that all a slave owner wishes to do hook or by crook (often times a lot of crook) is to pay cost significantly below the actual or expected local value of an individual's labor, and does so by purchasing and importing someone not of their own, a chattel, to do this. The slave dealer wishes at profit to himself to provide these chattel slaves to the slave owners. With wage slavery the former would be slave owner still get this 'hit' of unpaid labor by simply paying significantly below the local labor costs to employ one of their own by importing someone typically not of their own, 'the immigrant'. The would be slave dealer is present in this process as before by arranging transportation, food, lodging, etc, for the 'wage slaves'. This is all done within the framework of a callous and utter disregard towards one's fellow man, both towards their own, and towards those broken and defeated people's preyed upon as a source of this stolen labor. By it's very nature, whereever you have slavery practiced, whether it be chattel or wage you typically have people rejecting their own for short term financial gain. There's no free lunch with slavery as due to its genocidal effects if allowed to go on long enough it will ultimately destroy any people where its become entrenched.

    I think if the idea is correct that they intend to enslave most everyone it would be through the wage slavery system, where most everyone will indeed be a rootless 'immigrant' and like a great many of the present day Chinese the person will be paid a dollar an hour or its equivalent to work at a factory or somesuch, and maybe allowed a broken down bike (very green!) and a hovel to live in communally with others. The sjw's, having embraced or having failed to succesfully resist the multicult conditioning, by their rhetoric seem unknowingly and unwittingly quite ready with great joy to embrace such a future and act as though they would quite happily enforce this nightmare as modern day Red Guards, at the behest of their corporate masters.

    Anyhow, if you can’t get enough of the wage slaves to come to you, you go directly to the slaves.

    The below was published in The Spectator of London in 1850, about a year before the London Times editorial regarding the textile magnate/US ambassador Abbott Lawrence posted in this same thread. It outlines plans to move US manufacturing plants (ie textile mills) to Ireland. Note the context of these plans, an Ireland quite unhappily married to the British Empire and experiencing famine to boot. This same type of predation is exactly the same thing that goes on today when US corporations not wanting to pay twenty dollars an hour to workers here find they can pay a crushed by communism Chinese work force one dollar an hour there. Also note how the article openly speaks of the ‘cheap labor’ in slave terms referring to it as ‘this British substitute for slave labour’. This was at a time that chattel slavery was still practiced in the world and the general public from personal observation had a lot better understanding of its mechanics and the dynamics that drive it.

    In the primordial days of the multicult during the mid 19th century they were a lot more open and plain spoken about these things in the media.

    this encouragement of low wages, this British substitute for “slave-labour”


    The Spectator - 1850

    AMERICAN FACTORIES IN IRELAND

    A Protectionist Nemesis is prophesied in the form of the most singular invasion ever threatened. to Great Britain—an invasion of American manufacturers, who are to set up factories in the West of Ireland, to compete with the factories of Laneashire, and to secure a larger consumption of American cotton…But were it practicable and true, how is it that we find a Protectionist advocating the wholesale invasion of foreign enterprise, this competition with ” native industry,” this encouragement of low wages, this British substitute for ” slave-labour”? The oblivion of principles is as striking a part of the dream as any.
     

    http://archive.spectator.co.uk/article/22nd-june-1850/15/american-factories-in-ireland

    I think if the idea is correct that they intend to enslave most everyone it would be through the wage slavery system, where most everyone will indeed be a rootless ‘immigrant’ and like a great many of the present day Chinese the person will be paid a dollar an hour or its equivalent to work at a factory or somesuch, and maybe allowed a broken down bike (very green!) and a hovel to live in communally with others. The sjw’s, having embraced or having failed to succesfully resist the multicult conditioning, by their rhetoric seem unknowingly and unwittingly quite ready with great joy to embrace such a future and act as though they would quite happily enforce this nightmare as modern day Red Guards, at the behest of their corporate masters.

    Exactly!!! Brilliant. That is the Grand Plan.

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    Figured out you were Bengali/Kayast a while back. A true casteist knows these things।।
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  126. V says:
    @Anon
    Malla is a Kayast so whitewashes British rule because his tribe are among the top collaborators।।

    Back on topic, so how do we prevent this mass chattel importation?

    Back on topic, so how do we prevent this mass chattel importation?

    One of the most important things a person and their society can do is understand the mechanics of chattel slavery and what drives an individual to own slaves. Once, they understand that it’s not too difficult to see the close parallels between the chattel and wage slavery systems, the latter often called by that term of propoganda, ‘cheap labor’. As mentioned, the multicultural society, with the ‘cheap labor’/mass immigration system being its economic basis, closely parallels the chattel slave holding society. The ‘immigrant’ in the multicult society, whether unskilled or skilled, is the slave in this system for whatever time period he or she is paid below what was or would have been the expected prevailing local cost of labor to the employer to pay one of his own if the immigration was not taking place.

    Just understanding the strong slavery aspects of the multicult system helps a person to defend against it. After all, who wants to be a slave?

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  127. V says:
    @Malla
    Thanks that was very informative. Wage slavery is a type of slavery we are in right now. Anyways, the long term plans for the elites is global communism slavery.

    People might recall the scene in Amistad where, being chased by a ship of the West African squadron the slaver decides to jettison its load of chattel slaves into the ocean (with large rocks tied to their bodies so that they would sink and drown) so as to avoid their capture and prosecution. There is the exact parallel in the US and now unfortunately Europe where when the law gets too hot for some of these wage slave smugglers, they too do just as their slaver forebears did in the 18th century and jettison their human loads. They do this by simply abandoning the enclosed and sealed van trailers on the side of the road or in parking lots
     
    What a bunch of scum to do something like that!!

    What a bunch of scum to do something like that!!

    That’s true.

    Powerful elements of the Anglo-Saxon elites and their hangers on in both the future US and UK had been corrupted by chattel slavery and its trade during the 17th and 18th centuries. They were quite used to (particularly in British North America) rejecting their own Anglo-Saxon people for short term financial gain with the genocidal chattel slavery and its trade. Reflective of that long dysfunctional relationship that has existed between the Anglo-Saxon and Jewish people powerful elements of the elites of the Jewish people and their hangers on as well have historically been heavily involved in chattel slavery and its trade.

    The failure to deal with chattel slavery and it trade in a truthful manner, and rather than abolish it, simply monetize it, as was done with the introduction of the wage slavery system (ie ‘cheap labor’ so called) to the world, this slavery being the very economic basis of the multi-cult society, has been a catastrophe of unprecedented proportions to the peoples of the world as well as humanity as a whole.

    The Big Lie, the lie of the millenium, was the 19th century ‘abolition’ of slavery.

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  128. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Malla

    I think if the idea is correct that they intend to enslave most everyone it would be through the wage slavery system, where most everyone will indeed be a rootless ‘immigrant’ and like a great many of the present day Chinese the person will be paid a dollar an hour or its equivalent to work at a factory or somesuch, and maybe allowed a broken down bike (very green!) and a hovel to live in communally with others. The sjw’s, having embraced or having failed to succesfully resist the multicult conditioning, by their rhetoric seem unknowingly and unwittingly quite ready with great joy to embrace such a future and act as though they would quite happily enforce this nightmare as modern day Red Guards, at the behest of their corporate masters.
     
    Exactly!!! Brilliant. That is the Grand Plan.

    Figured out you were Bengali/Kayast a while back. A true casteist knows these things।।

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    Your figuring out was only half correct. I am Kayastha but of U.P. ancestry (Mathurs, ancestors from Mathura)
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  129. You should all jump into shitholes. It does not smell worse than your comments.

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  130. Alden says:
    @SunBakedSuburb
    Quite lengthy but excellent article. Always appreciate a spotlight on the sinister Zionist-SJW connection. And I don't know what "Irish fever" is but I think I've got it.

    In addition to rental property and investments, Lizzie Borden’s Father was a money lender who charged high interest rates.

    That’s why the police suspected the murderer was one of Borden’s many victims and easily believed Lizzie’s alibi at first.

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    Yes, Andrew Borden was supposed to have had many enemies. I do tend to think it was Lizzie that did the deed. Her burning that 'paint stained' dress a few days after the event against the advice of a friend who witnessed it is and was quite suspicious. And there was the report about her failed attempt to buy Prussic acid the day before the atrocity.

    The family overall seemed to be somewhat 'dysfunctional' as they would say today.
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  131. Alden says:
    @Anon
    Any of my comments which counter his points with references get blocked by mods।।

    Only solution is trampling underneath elephants।।

    You two can have your weird discussion.

    Enlightenment values are the reason whites are facing self destruction & this suicidal ricebag wants us to import them।।

    A plurality of christians have converted for money many times just a bag of rice. Hence, the pejorative।।

    You are Singh the Hindu extremist that wants to bring back Sati. Of course the mods block your comments.

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    I'm a Sikh & what place does some christian kike slave have to comment on anything we do in our own lands?

    This is why you get mass immigration. you interfere & 'educate' the elites of other people creating a cultural similarity & then they bring the entire clan.
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  132. Alden says:
    @V
    While Marxism has historically attracted society’s very worst to its cause...painfully unattractive societal misfits — the obese, degenerates and outcasts.

    Couldn't help but be reminded here of Winston's co-worker, Parsons, at the Ministry of Truth in the book 1984.

    ‘…one of those completely unquestioning, devoted drudges on whom, more even than on the Thought Police, the stability of the Party depended.’

    Parsons was Winston’s fellow-employee at the Ministry of Truth. He was a fattish but active man of paralysing stupidity, a mass of imbecile enthusiasms — one of those completely unquestioning, devoted drudges on whom, more even than on the Thought Police, the stability of the Party depended. At thirty-five he had just been unwillingly evicted from the Youth League, and before graduating into the Youth League he had managed to stay on in the Spies for a year beyond the statutory age. At the Ministry he was employed in some subordinate post for which intelligence was not required, but on the other hand he was a leading figure on the Sports Committee and all the other committees engaged in organizing community hikes, spontaneous demonstrations, savings campaigns, and voluntary activities generally. He would inform you with quiet pride, between whiffs of his pipe, that he had put in an appearance at the Community Centre every evening for the past four years. An overpowering smell of sweat, a sort of unconscious testimony to the strenuousness of his life, followed him about wherever he went, and even remained behind him after he had gone.
     
    http://www.george-orwell.org/1984/1.html

    “Mass of imbecile enthusiasm” that’s SJWs

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    Hehe! I do wish it was all so humorous.

    The modern sjws of the wage slavery based multicult society almost certainly have their parallel in the chattel slavery based British colonial North America, particularly of the largely Puritan northeast. These were the ones of the everyday citizenry whom would observe the slave owners 'doting' upon their African slaves, naively deem it 'goodly', internalize it, and would then go on to do some of their own 'doting' upon these unfortunate persons. This would thus have the effect of enabling the slave owners, though like the vast majority of colonists these copycat doters probably didn't own slaves themselves; chattel slavery was a practice put in place by diktat that was decidedly not in most colonists interest, which indeed they had to rather suffer from. This 'doting' of the slave owners of course did nothing to truly help the slave, or ameliorate the evil of it, as it was in reality all about the slave owners themselves attempting to improve their self worth in both their own eyes and the eyes of others. Of course, too, there is the cynical truism that the happy slave makes for the harder working slave, and the harder working slave makes for the more profitable slave. When one of their fellow colonial citizens, perhaps wisely recalling the Spartacus led slave revolt which came close to gutting the core of the Roman republic and bringing with it the downfall of the Empire, might have suggested that perhaps this chattel slavery thing was not such a good idea and should be put a stop to, these primordial sjws acting on their Puritanical zeal and fanaticism, and their heavy emotional attachment to this 'doting', likely would have shouted them down and perhaps even attempted to physically assault them for daring to have said such a thing, misguidingly perceiving it as an attack on both themselves and those that they dote upon.

    Speaking of wage slavery and the internalized doting thereof by the modern sjw we're seeing a lot of that on display now with the literal hysteria surrounding the supposed comment made by Trump at the recent cabinet meeting. These sjw's enable the wage slavery system.

    My suspicion is that it was the persons heavily involved in the marketing and merchandising of chattel slaves (the dealers) who grasped during the latter 18th century that the monetization of chattel slavery and its trade (wage slavery, ie 'cheap labor' so called) was a far more profitable and efficient way to go about systematically stealing an individual's labor, and it was these chattel slave marketers who gave the impetus and likely financing to the 'Abolition movement' which did not in reality abolish truly ghastly slavery but rather merely smoothed the way for chattel slavery's monetization and the introduction of the more virulent and destructive wage slavery system to the world, much in the same way that a deadly cancer metastasizes and then proceeds to spread throughout the body.

    'The slaves in Massachusetts were treated with almost parental kindness. They were incorporated into the family...'

    As the reality of slavery in the North faded, and a strident anti-Southern abolitionism arose there, the memory of Northern slaves, when it surfaced at all, tended to focus on how happy and well-treated they had been, in terms much reminiscent of the so-called "Lost Cause" literature that followed the fall of the Confederacy in 1865.

    "The slaves in Massachusetts were treated with almost parental kindness. They were incorporated into the family, and each puritan household being a sort of religious structure, the relative duties of master and servant were clearly defined. No doubt the severest and longest task fell to the slave, but in the household of the farmer or artisan, the master and the mistress shared it, and when it was finished, the white and the black, like the feudal chief and his household servant, sat down to the same table, and shared the same viands." [Reminiscence by Catharine Sedgwick (1789-1867) of Stockbridge, Mass.]

    Yet the petitions for freedom from New England and Mid-Atlantic blacks, and the numbers in which they ran off from their masters to the British during the Revolution, suggest rather a different picture.

    Early 19th century New Englanders had real motives for forgetting their slave history, or, if they recalled it at all, for characterizing it as a brief period of mild servitude. This was partly a Puritan effort to absolve New England's ancestors of their guilt...
     
    http://slavenorth.com/
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  133. Alden says:
    @Svigor

    During the period that Britain ruled over India, from roughly 1800 to roughly 1950, the population of India increased from 180 million to 400 million. Whenever someone claims that the British presence was to the detriment of Indians ask them to explain that fact, and don’t let them change the subject.
     

    Look at the economic growth during that period. It was stagnant for decades. The white population in Western countries is also increasing so how is multiculturalism or mass immigration to your detriment. Don’t change the subject
     
    If the current situation in the West reflected the situation in India in the period in question, I'd have a lot fewer problems with it. But the situation in the West does not at all reflect the situation in India in the period in question. Quite the opposite. Assuming the stats are correct (you didn't challenge them), Indians saw an enormous increase in population and a relatively tiny influx of White people. Native Westerners are seeing the opposite; very small increases in population size and a relatively huge influx of non-Whites.

    Britain made the church largest land owner in India
     
    I'm guessing there's an apples and oranges thing going on here. Were Indian religions or institutions legally constituted the same way as the Church? That is, was all the real estate owned by [native Indian religion or institution here] consolidated legally under one roof? This sounds like a mere cultural/legal difference. Which is not to say that an Indian has no right to complain about foreign religions intruding into their living spaces. Obviously they do have.

    To root for a just one section of humanity and disregard the rest is racism. You can call it what you like and you can feel free to abuse anyone.
     
    The word "abuse" seems misplaced here; the only way to make the first sentence work is to define "racism" as, at least, not a bad thing. Because there's absolutely nothing wrong, whatsoever, with rooting for just one section of humanity and disregarding the rest. Not that most "racists" even do that, mind you; for the vast majority, it's simply a matter of prioritizing their group first, everyone else second. This is normal human behavior. To characterize it as "abuse" or somehow wrong is misanthropic.

    To really look at your adversary and talk is to be human. It will enrich you. It matters not if you are are black, white yellow or brown.
     
    Indeed. This is one of the better reasons to utterly annihilate leftism.

    Bring all your people back from the americas & australia then preach about racism casteism dirty Melech।।
     
    Oh, I dunno. I think we've been in those places long enough that they're ours. To say nothing of the fact that Whites tamed and civilized the places, the same way your ancestors migrated to, then tamed and civilized your homeland. Dot-Indians should probably keep their traps shut about it, given how fond they have become of immigrating here, since Whitey finished all the heavy lifting.

    However, Christianity has one glaring negative externality, and that is Zionism. And this is just far too huge to excuse. It is a curse of immense magnitude.
     
    Christianity has given way to Christian heresies, leftist heresy and Zionist heresy foremost among them. I think this is merely a sign of the weakening of Christianity, and the ascendance of leftism and Jewry.

    FYI when the Europeans burnt people convicted of various crimes to death they weren’t really burnt. When they were tied to the stake they were strangled
     
    Interesting - first time I'm hearing this. Source?

    Numerous sources in history books in every library. The internet might or might not have something about it.

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  134. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Alden
    You are Singh the Hindu extremist that wants to bring back Sati. Of course the mods block your comments.

    I’m a Sikh & what place does some christian kike slave have to comment on anything we do in our own lands?

    This is why you get mass immigration. you interfere & ‘educate’ the elites of other people creating a cultural similarity & then they bring the entire clan.

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  135. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Malla

    The priests and the family wanted to set up a shrine and develop a lucrative tourist/ pilgrimage trade.
     
    In India, many temples are richer than many corporations. V.S. Naipaul, the Nobel laureate of Indian descent but born in the Caribbean wrote in his first book on India, the land of his ancestors, 'India is a land of corrupt priests, rich temples and poor devotees'

    All the temples are under gov control & looted to build churches||

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  136. @Anon
    Sri Bharata Ji of Ramayan remarks that any who impede Sri Hanuman Ji in his journey to save Sri Lakshman Ji should have the curse which is placed on a man who does not pay his servant।।

    Find this parallel in any other culture, then we'll talk।।

    It is the Guru's Hukam to make Bharat strong & bring Dharma Raaj to the whole world as people are suffering without it।।

    This shall be done।। http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/History_of_Guru_Nanak%27s_travel_to_Mecca#Karni_Nama

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾ।।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ।।

    Was that the journey to get the Himalayan herbs to save Lakshmana, when he passed near Shimla and rested at what is now Jakhoo Temple?

    I must say the Sikhs in India seem more peaceful than you do.

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  137. NickG says:

    It goes without saying

    The stuff that follows this refutes the statement, otherwise why say it, what purpose does this tired cliche serve other than to make the author look like an idiot who does not know the meaning of words?

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  138. Malla says:
    @Anon
    Figured out you were Bengali/Kayast a while back. A true casteist knows these things।।

    Your figuring out was only half correct. I am Kayastha but of U.P. ancestry (Mathurs, ancestors from Mathura)

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  139. V says:
    @Alden
    In addition to rental property and investments, Lizzie Borden’s Father was a money lender who charged high interest rates.

    That’s why the police suspected the murderer was one of Borden’s many victims and easily believed Lizzie’s alibi at first.

    Yes, Andrew Borden was supposed to have had many enemies. I do tend to think it was Lizzie that did the deed. Her burning that ‘paint stained’ dress a few days after the event against the advice of a friend who witnessed it is and was quite suspicious. And there was the report about her failed attempt to buy Prussic acid the day before the atrocity.

    The family overall seemed to be somewhat ‘dysfunctional’ as they would say today.

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  140. V says:
    @Alden
    “Mass of imbecile enthusiasm” that’s SJWs

    Hehe! I do wish it was all so humorous.

    The modern sjws of the wage slavery based multicult society almost certainly have their parallel in the chattel slavery based British colonial North America, particularly of the largely Puritan northeast. These were the ones of the everyday citizenry whom would observe the slave owners ‘doting’ upon their African slaves, naively deem it ‘goodly’, internalize it, and would then go on to do some of their own ‘doting’ upon these unfortunate persons. This would thus have the effect of enabling the slave owners, though like the vast majority of colonists these copycat doters probably didn’t own slaves themselves; chattel slavery was a practice put in place by diktat that was decidedly not in most colonists interest, which indeed they had to rather suffer from. This ‘doting’ of the slave owners of course did nothing to truly help the slave, or ameliorate the evil of it, as it was in reality all about the slave owners themselves attempting to improve their self worth in both their own eyes and the eyes of others. Of course, too, there is the cynical truism that the happy slave makes for the harder working slave, and the harder working slave makes for the more profitable slave. When one of their fellow colonial citizens, perhaps wisely recalling the Spartacus led slave revolt which came close to gutting the core of the Roman republic and bringing with it the downfall of the Empire, might have suggested that perhaps this chattel slavery thing was not such a good idea and should be put a stop to, these primordial sjws acting on their Puritanical zeal and fanaticism, and their heavy emotional attachment to this ‘doting’, likely would have shouted them down and perhaps even attempted to physically assault them for daring to have said such a thing, misguidingly perceiving it as an attack on both themselves and those that they dote upon.

    Speaking of wage slavery and the internalized doting thereof by the modern sjw we’re seeing a lot of that on display now with the literal hysteria surrounding the supposed comment made by Trump at the recent cabinet meeting. These sjw’s enable the wage slavery system.

    My suspicion is that it was the persons heavily involved in the marketing and merchandising of chattel slaves (the dealers) who grasped during the latter 18th century that the monetization of chattel slavery and its trade (wage slavery, ie ‘cheap labor’ so called) was a far more profitable and efficient way to go about systematically stealing an individual’s labor, and it was these chattel slave marketers who gave the impetus and likely financing to the ‘Abolition movement’ which did not in reality abolish truly ghastly slavery but rather merely smoothed the way for chattel slavery’s monetization and the introduction of the more virulent and destructive wage slavery system to the world, much in the same way that a deadly cancer metastasizes and then proceeds to spread throughout the body.

    ‘The slaves in Massachusetts were treated with almost parental kindness. They were incorporated into the family…’

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    As the reality of slavery in the North faded, and a strident anti-Southern abolitionism arose there, the memory of Northern slaves, when it surfaced at all, tended to focus on how happy and well-treated they had been, in terms much reminiscent of the so-called “Lost Cause” literature that followed the fall of the Confederacy in 1865.

    “The slaves in Massachusetts were treated with almost parental kindness. They were incorporated into the family, and each puritan household being a sort of religious structure, the relative duties of master and servant were clearly defined. No doubt the severest and longest task fell to the slave, but in the household of the farmer or artisan, the master and the mistress shared it, and when it was finished, the white and the black, like the feudal chief and his household servant, sat down to the same table, and shared the same viands.” [Reminiscence by Catharine Sedgwick (1789-1867) of Stockbridge, Mass.]

    Yet the petitions for freedom from New England and Mid-Atlantic blacks, and the numbers in which they ran off from their masters to the British during the Revolution, suggest rather a different picture.

    Early 19th century New Englanders had real motives for forgetting their slave history, or, if they recalled it at all, for characterizing it as a brief period of mild servitude. This was partly a Puritan effort to absolve New England’s ancestors of their guilt…

    http://slavenorth.com/

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