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Jonathan Sacks is the former Chief Rabbi of Great Britain. Wes Streeting is a homosexual Labour MP and vice-chair of the All-Party Parliamentary Group against Antisemitism. You wouldn’t expect either of these two men to offer aid and comfort to us hate-filled haters at the Occidental Observer.

The process began with Jews

But they have offered aid and comfort to us. At the Occidental Observer, we say that the organized Jewish community has been central to anti-White identity politics and to the war on free speech. In 2007, Sacks told the world that Britain “had been poisoned by … identity politics,” which “began with Jews, before being taken up by blacks, women and gays.” In 2019, Streeting, who also co-chairs the All-Party Parliamentary Group on British Muslims (APPGBM), announced that the APPGBM’s deplorably vague definition of Islamophobia — “Islamophobia is rooted in racism and is a type of racism that targets expressions of Muslimness or perceived Muslimness” — was “presented within a framework resembling the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance’s definition of antisemitism.”

The IHRA’s deplorably vague definition of anti-Semitism runs like this:

Antisemitism is a certain perception of Jews, which may be expressed as hatred toward Jews. Rhetorical and physical manifestations of antisemitism are directed toward Jewish or non-Jewish individuals and/or their property, toward Jewish community institutions and religious facilities. (What is Antisemitism?, The Campaign Against Antisemitism)

I argued in “Trashing the Torah” that this definition is intended to end free speech on Jewish power and its effects. The definition has been adopted “in full” by the British Conservative party and numerous other organizations and institutions in the UK. And it is now being adopted in the United States:

On April 11th the FL[orida] House [of government] unanimously (114-0) passed a House Bill 741 which would define anti-Semitism as:

  • “A certain perception of the Jewish people, which may be expressed as hatred toward Jewish people.”
  • “Rhetorical and physical manifestations of anti-Semitism directed toward a person, his or her property, or toward Jewish community institutions or religious facilities.” …

On April 29th Governor DeSantis and the Florida Cabinet met in Jerusalem (not a joke!) to proclaim their support for “the Jewish state” (sic) and declare that DeSantis will be the most pro-Israel governor in “America” (sic). The fact that holding that meeting abroad is a violation of Florida law did not bother anybody (except The Florida First Amendment Foundation which filed a lawsuit against this outrage). Neither did the fact that Israel is the last openly and officially racist state on our planet. Sadly, Florida is hardly an exception, two dozen other states (including Texas) have passed similar laws. (Sovereignists of All Countries — Unite!, The Unz Review, 7th June 2019)

Having seen Jews attacking free speech so effectively, Muslims and their allies want a slice of the same juicy pie. As many commentators have observed, the definition of Islamophobia devised by Streeting and the All-Party Parliamentary Group on British Muslims is a clear attack on free speech. Of course, Streeting himself insists otherwise: “Contrary to myth, the definition I helped devise isn’t a threat to free speech.”

Pursuing truth, decency and justice

But “Islamophobia Defined,” the report Streeting oversaw for the All-Parliamentary Group on British Muslims, reports with apparent approval what its Muslim witnesses told it: “The right to free speech ends when words and actions begin to ‘fuel hatred, violence and stimulate antagonistic responses which are at odds with the cohesive society’.” This is a typical leftist argument. If you criticize Muslims, Blacks or any other sacred minority, you are being “divisive” and it is therefore right to silence you. Meanwhile, Muslims, Blacks and other minorities are encouraged to criticize the White majority and to demand ever-increasing concessions and privileges from it. This is not divisive, but an admirable pursuit of truth, decency and justice.

Jews in America warmly support Muslims and other non-Whites
Jews in America warmly support Muslims and other non-Whites

Someone else who dismisses all criticism of the “Islamophobia definition” is Omar Khan of the so-called Runnymede Trust (an Orwellian organization whose anti-White, anti-Christian activities I looked at in “Barons of Bullshit”). In a letter to the Guardian, Khan and forty-seven other anti-racists proclaimed that the “Islamophobia definition is no threat to free speech.” The anti-racist signatories went on, with entirely straight faces, to say this: “It is difficult to understand how defining a form of hatred against a group and bringing it in line with other forms of racism (and legislation) will stifle freedom of speech and undermine counter-terrorism legislation.” Khan and company are being entirely disingenuous. “Legislation” has been used for decades in the UK to “stifle freedom of speech,” with the active support of the totalitarian left.

Completely mainstream among Jews

And just look at the anti-racist Islamophile who came second in the list of signatories after Khan himself. It was “Dr Edie Friedman” of “The Jewish Council for Racial Equality.” I’ve discussed Edie Friedman and her anti-White campaigning before at the Occidental Observer (see “Manchester Malady” and “The Pyromaniacs’ Ball”). Her support for Third-World immigration is completely mainstream among Jews in the West. So is her support for censorship of any criticism of that immigration and its effects. After all, someone else who backs a vague and censorship-friendly definition of Islamophobia is the trained lawyer Marie van der Zyl, president of the Jewish Board of Deputies:

The President of the Board of Deputies has spoken of her support for a “definition for anti-Muslim hatred” … Ms van der Zyl [said]: “At the Board of Deputies we oppose all forms of racism. I have continued throughout my presidency and when I was a vice president to call out hatred towards Muslims. I’m very opposed to any form of anti-Muslim hatred.

“One of my first acts with the Chief Rabbi was to host an Iftar [a Muslim meal celebrating the end of daily fasting during Ramadhan] and I have spent a lot of time going up and down the country into mosques to try and have a better relationship with the Muslim community because it is very important to bear in mind all those things we have in common. … As Jews we cannot defeat antisemitism alone. We need to stand with other minority communities.” (Board of Deputies President tells of support for a ‘definition for anti-Muslim hatred,’ The Jewish Chronicle, 20th May 2019 / 15th Iyyar 5779)

Bibi bombshocked: Benjamin Netanyahu looks dazed with Marie van der Zyl
Bibi bombshocked: Benjamin Netanyahu looks dazed with Marie van der Zyl

Clearly, Marie van der Zyl is thinking strictly of Jewish interests: Jews in Britain have long seen Muslims as “natural allies” against the White and historically Christian majority. And even when their hopes of an alliance are dashed, Jews find an ever-growing Muslim presence in Britain very useful in several ways. First of all, Muslim terrorism like the Manchester Arena Bombing is justification for increased state power and surveillance. Second, Whites are harmed and distracted by Muslim crime, whether it’s Muslim gang-rape and child-prostitution rings in Rotherham, Huddersfield and Telford, or electoral fraud and political malfeasance in Tower Hamlets, or financial predation on elderly British Whites by Muslim fraud-gangs. Third, Whites are displaced and demoralized when Muslims enter institutions like the BBC and National Health Service, where they promote their own interests and issue loud accusations of Islamophobia and racism against Whites.

False equivalences and fake conservatives

But Jewish support for Muslim activism and attacks on free speech is entirely ignored by mainstream “Islamophobes” like Douglas Murray, Mark Steyn and Rod Liddle. Murray wrote of “The false equivalence between ‘Islamophobia’ and anti-Semitism” in March 2019:

[A]nti-Semitism is hatred or suspicion of Jews because they are Jews. It is an irrational prejudice built on centuries of stereotypes and hatreds which culminated in the worst crime in human history, on our continent, in the last century. ‘Islamophobia’, by contrast, is a term which can claim almost anything that the wielder claims it to mean. So in many peoples’ eyes, it is ‘Islamophobic’ to ever say anything negative about any aspect of Islam or any action carried out by any Muslim in the name of their faith. Among much else, those who wield the term seem to hope that they can present the situation of Muslims in modern Europe as so dire that they have pretty much already suffered an equal amount to the Jews of Europe in the twentieth century. Islamists, their sympathisers and useful idiots appear to be hoping that if they can point to some mean things said on social media then in time they can present this as indistinguishable from the organised murder, in living memory, of six million Jews. (The false equivalence between ‘Islamophobia’ and anti-Semitism, The Spectator, 8th March 2019)

Murray himself promoted a “stereotype” about Jews when he criticized Jewish support for Muslim immigration in the Jewish Chronicle. So did the Jewish writer Melanie Phillips, writing in the same newspaper. Phillips also criticized“another mistake made by too many in the Jewish community: the equation of antisemitism with Islamophobia.” In other words, Jews themselves are making the “false equivalence between ‘Islamophobia’ and anti-Semitism” condemned by Douglas Murray on behalf of Jews.

The unacceptable octopus

Douglas Murray also alleges that “‘Islamophobia’, by contrast [with anti-Semitism], is a term which can claim almost anything that the wielder claims it to mean.” But he himself has defended the philosopher Roger Scruton against accusations of anti-Semitism “wielded” in the same vague and dishonest way. Murray didn’t mention that these unfair accusations against Scruton were made by, among others, the Jewish Labour MP Luciana Berger. Nor did Murray mention that the Jewish Board of Deputies fully supported the campaign against Scruton and his sacking from a government committee.

And perhaps Murray should have a look at a recent story in the Jewish Chronicle to see how, just like “Islamophobia,” anti-Semitism is “a term which can claim almost anything that the wielder claims it to mean”:

Penguin Books has defended one of its authors, a Spanish military colonel, against accusations of antisemitism, insisting that his views are instead merely “robust”. Pedro Baños’s book, How They Rule the World, was published by Ebury Press, a division of Penguin Random House, in April.

But British spy fiction author Jeremy Duns highlighted issues with the text, noting its front cover features octopus tentacles, which have long been associated with antisemitic propaganda.

Mr Duns found that, unlike the English translation, the Spanish version made several references to the Rothschild family, including a passage accusing the banking family of holding “gigantic” economic power and influence which has “led to multiple speculations about their capacity to intervene in key global decisions”. (Penguin defends Spanish colonel author accused of antisemitism, saying his views are ‘robust,’ The Jewish Chronicle, 12th June 2019 / 9th Sivan 5779)

An anti-Semitic octopus: The cover of Pedro Baños’s book
An anti-Semitic octopus: The cover of Pedro Baños’s book

There you have it: if a book has octopus tentacles on its front cover, this is clear evidence of anti-Semitism. When Douglas Murray claims that there is a “false equivalence between ‘Islamophobia’ and anti-Semitism,” he is not speaking the truth. The dishonest and self-serving concept of Islamophobia has been modelled on the dishonest and self-serving concept of anti-Semitism — just see the comments by the Labour MP Wes Streeting quoted above. And this process has received the full support of Jews like Edie Friedman, co-chair of the Jewish Council for Racial Equality (JCore), and Marie van der Zyl, President of the Jewish Board of Deputies — again, see above.

Leitner enlightens us

A previous chair of JCore was Dr Richard Stone, high priest in the martyr-cult of Stephen Lawrence. In 2001 Dr Stone proclaimed that “British Jews and Muslims are natural allies.” He wrote: “It has to be an extremely narrow-minded person to deny that Muslims and Jews on the north-west edge of Europe are other than natural allies.” But allies against whom? Against the White and historically Christian majority, of course. Like many other Jews based in Britain, Dr Stone has devoted his life to demonizing and undermining the White British. And you can find nearly identical Jews working in every other White nation. They hate free speech and they love Muslim immigration.

When I say that, I’m not displaying “an irrational prejudice,” as Douglas Murray claims. I’m stating solid, easily verifiable facts about consistent and decades-old patterns of Jewish behaviour. And if you want an example of how long Jews have tried to use Islam against White nations, take a look at Shah Jahan Mosque, or Woking Mosque, which is described on one pro-diversity website as “the first purpose-built house of worship for Muslims in the United Kingdom.” The website says the mosque “was completed in 1889 and was founded by one Dr Gottlieb Leitner [1840-99], an academic from Hungary.” Dr Leitner was a rich Jew who worked assiduously to promote Islam in the UK. One of his favourite tactics was to contrast Islam favourably with Christianity in articles like “Muhammadanism and Slavery” and “Jihad — misconceptions about Islamic teaching.” In the former article, Dr Leitner admits that there are “Muhammadan slave dealers,” but claims that they are “unworthy” of Islam and that, in the truest sense, they are “devoid of any religion.” In the latter article, Dr Leitner deplores the way in which “the subject of jihad is so thoroughly misunderstood both by European scholars and by the bulk of Muhammadans themselves.”

No threat to free speech

Dr Leitner goes on to write that “when people say that jihad means the duty of the Muhammadans to wage war against a non-Muhammadan government or country … they really talk nonsense, and cast an undeserved libel on a religion with which they are not acquainted.” How odd, then, that “the bulk of Muhammadans,” who are certainly “acquainted with” Islam, should also have “thoroughly misunderstood” the “subject of jihad.” I hope to write more about Dr Leitner and his Islamophilia in future, but so far my research into his activities hasn’t uncovered any writing by him about Islam and free speech. If he did write about this, I’m sure that he, in the 19th century, would have agreed with his fellow Jew Dr Edie Friedman in the 21st century. Islam and its adherents are “no threat to free speech!

That’s a lie, of course. Muslims hate free speech with the same fervour as Jews do. That’s why these two groups are working together to destroy free speech and promote censorship not just in Britain but right across the West. We wouldn’t have a large and growing Muslim population in the West without Jews. And Muslims wouldn’t be attacking free speech so effectively without the active encouragement and example of Jews. The paradox is that discussion of the joint Jewish-Muslim love of censorship is precisely what Jews and Muslims would like to censor. But while I can still point it out, I will continue to do so.

Appendix: Some examples of warm Jewish support for Muslims and their vibrancy

“My family were refugees too”: Rabbi Lee Wax stands up to racism
“My family were refugees too”: Rabbi Lee Wax stands up to racism
(Republished from The Occidental Observer by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. Western Muslims and Western liberalism lol

    • Agree: Talha
    • Replies: @Wally
    , @Richard B
  2. Rational says:

    OUR DISGUST FOR THE JUDAISTS IS PERFECTLY RATIONAL—AND WHY WE NEED MORE OF IT.

    Excellent article, Sir. Good.

    These Jewish conmen have manufactured a self-serving subjective opinion term called “anti-semitism”, given it their own definition, and go around applying it to others, they do not even know, which is improper. They define it as an “irrational hatred”.

    Most people who criticize the Judaists have perfectly rational grounds for their disgust.

    Alienism, worshipping a pimp Avram, a prostitute Sarah, prancing around with a vile pornographic Torah in which Noah was raped by his sons, celebrating death of innocent children at Passover, eating pastries in the shape of human body parts at Purim, negrophilia, race baiting, pathological lying, conning, scamming, insider trading, human trafficking (alienism), bribing politicians, calling patriot names, stealing land from Palis, killing Pali children, inciting wars, whore mongering (feminism and VAWA), raping women (eg. by Hollywood bosses), whoring their own women (eg. Sarah Silverman), getting white women raped by promoting race mixing with negroes, inciting raping and murdering aliens to invade, etc. etc. show VERY RATIONALLY that Judaists are the most evil, sick, disgusting, depraved, barbaric people on earth.

    All civilized people do and should feel disgust at these savages.

  3. The work from the writers at The Occidental Observer exposing these parasites is very much appreciated.

    • Agree: Robert Dolan
  4. Marcus says:

    Semitic tag-team. I think fewer and fewer Jews in the West are going to openly support Israel in the upcoming decade or so as to not offend their Mooslimb allies: sticking it to the White goyim is far more important. Even non-Muslim immigrants tend to dislike Israel since they view it as a white settler-colonialist state.

  5. Paul says:

    The Jewish-Muslim alliance — ethnically-cleansed Palestinian people (be they Muslim or Christian) need not apply.

    • Replies: @follyofwar
  6. /How odd, then, that “the bulk of Muhammadans,” who are certainly “acquainted with” Islam, should also have “thoroughly misunderstood” the “subject of jihad.”/

    Had “the bulk of Muslims” — who comprise over 20% of humankind — understood jihad to mean a strictly martial offensive, the historical record would look quite different. If you think that the migration of Muslims to Europe is motivated by an interpretation of jihad, you may be right in that the term means “struggle,” which, in this instance, would be understood as a struggle to survive. This is so even if the actual lives of the immigrants are not imperiled in their homelands. They likely understand this “struggle” to be an endeavor to make a better life for themselves and their families in an economically more prosperous country.

    And that’s usually as far as their understanding of “jihad” goes. They are, by and large, not religious but for keeping up appearances among themselves, rationalizing left and right why they can’t really practice some of the most important principles of Islam in their newfound environment. Having been among them for some time, I wish I could easily persuade those who fear them that they’re really less of a threat than they imagine. They have no idea.

    /Muslims hate free speech with the same fervour as Jews do./

    I, as a Muslim, remain steadfastly opposed to the laws you reference in your article, and I find it nothing but contemptible when other Muslims join the zionazis in a campaign to advance such laws. I’m also not alone in this, though I certainly don’t consider myself a “liberal” in this regard, since my position is predicated upon fundamentalist orthodox Islam.

    By definition, Muslims should NOT hate one’s right to free speech, though, like everyone, we reserve the right to hate what is said.

    • Agree: mark green
    • Replies: @David
    , @Anonymous
    , @Ace
    , @druid55
  7. David says:
    @AnonStarter

    Wow, it’s so interesting hearing the straight dope from a genuine Muslim.

    • Agree: Ron Unz
  8. Thank you.

    The problem with us lies less in the criminal elements that self-identify as Muslims than it does in self-identifying Muslims whose religion has become a part-time vocation. We have too much in common with those who love Jesus to waste our time locking horns with them or even attempting to supersede their lawful authority. What matters is that good is done, not who does it, and even those who have no conviction in God can usually find goodness upon which most of us agree.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  9. Lo says:

    This idiotic Jihad subject never ends. Thanks to the growing number of stupids, and media parrots bringing in a new term, now it will be repeated for the next 50 years. As long as you keep up with this idiotic jihad argument, you will be a fool easily used by war hawk politicians who will justify every war in ME “because of jihadists.” It is one thing to be against immigration, or disagree with Islam, and another thing to argue that there is a grand Muslim conspiracy against West. For your information, even the immigration wouldn’t be near as bad if it wasn’t for Neocons destroying corrupt but functioning governments in several Muslim majority countries. There is also no great Jewish-Muslim alliance. I can find an example of some Americans who are Russophile, or Sinophile as well, would it mean there is a grand Russian or Chinese conspiracy?

    As for free speech, there is stupid free speech and there is free speech. There is plenty of people and books that criticize Islam and its prophet without any issues. Then there are those who just want to provoke a backlash for who knows what reason and cry when they get a bloody nose. I wouldn’t expect to enter a biker bar and make fun of them and leave unscathed, or go to a Russian Orthodox Church and tell nasty jokes about Mary and Jesus and leave without getting my ass kicked. Clearly, drawing Mohammed as a pedo or terrorist is akin to these examples, a very stupid thing to do with zero actual benefits. I mean, free speech is not being able to say any stupid shit you want to say to anyone. It is purpose is not so that you can tell anything you want to anyone you want. If you have a good suspicion that something you say will trigger a backlash, and it does not need to be said (it offers nothing, has no real value) then just don’t say it. People who invented it, made it protected so that smart people could be protected from stupid people. It is not invented for stupid people to start fights with other stupid people.

    • Replies: @Wally
    , @neutral
    , @follyofwar
    , @Anon
  10. Excellent article. Destructive Jewish deviousness is nothing short of diabolical.

    Unfortunately, new (((definitions)))–and penalties–involving Hate Speech and ‘anti-Semitism’ are being crafted by the usual subversives. Their objective is simple: to outlaw articles and utterances which might possibly bring attention to Jewish subversion and Zionist criminality.

    Fragile lies are being protected by unprincipled restrictions on Free Speech. Political double-standards are being safeguarded by crypto-Israeli censorship.

    These are incremental acts of war.

    Meanwhile, intercontinental missiles, nuclear bombs, and preemptive wars shall remain at the disposal of Zio-Washington whenever circumstances dictate.

    And when US-Israeli WMD hit their target, these incidents of state terror shall be described as ‘centrist’, democratic, and necessary.

    Political illusions abound.

    Like Free Speech itself, the rule of law in Zio-America has been adjusted to accommodate Jewish sensitivities and Israeli objectives.

    Shhhhhh. Quiet children.

    Is it any wonder why Americans are confused, cynical and alienated?–and why so many nations that once admired America now detest us?

    America’s commitment to the Zionist project remains unshakable, unconditional and highly dangerous. There are enormous, undisclosed costs and risks. too.

    Yet we’re not allowed to openly discuss them.

    (Warning: Do not mention or identify the elephant in the room under penalty of law.)

    Zio-Washington’s imposed moral blind spot causes wild gyrations in its political conduct. This sometimes leads to trillion-dollar wars, massive suffering, and never-ending distortions in our political culture.

    For example, why are potential nukess in Iran decried as a ‘global threat’ while an actual, existing nuclear arsenal in ever-expanding Israel is quietly depicted as appropriate, essential, and above criticism?

    What we have in our midst is deadly and surreal political horror show. The noose of speech restrictions is deliberately designed to cut the flow of intellectual oxygen and personal liberty. The black magic is working.

    Shame on the predatory parasites who have elevated Israeli objectives above global stability, US sovereignty, and the Rule of Law.

    • Agree: Wally, anarchyst
    • Replies: @Wally
    , @ChuckOrloski
  11. Wally says:
    @Lo

    Who are you to say what is “stupid”? Who are you to say what crosses the line?
    It’s”stupid” just because you don’t like what you hear?

    According to you, because someone doesn’t like what someone else says is good enough reason to ban free speech?

    By your absurd reasoning it’s perfectly acceptable to assault someone you disagree with.

    How about it when YOU say something that OTHERS disagree with?

    Is it then acceptable if THEY beat the crap out you, and / or have you arrested?

    I suggest that it is you who is the “stupid” one.

    • Replies: @Lo
  12. Wally says:
    @mark green

    said:
    “Their objective is simple: to outlaw articles and utterances which might possibly bring attention to Jewish subversion and Zionist criminality.”

    Their prime objective is to stop all free speech about their fake & impossible “holocaust” which so many are now on to. The Big Lie is the great enabler for all their horrific behavior. It was contrived to be a shield and a weapon.

    Below is where free speech on the truly impossible “holocaust” storyline is illegal, violators go to prison for Thought Crimes.
    In all western countries, persecution, harassment, violent attacks & threats are the order of the day against those who engage in free speech about the impossible claims within it.
    Those are obvious admissions that the storyline doesn’t stand up to scientific, logical, & rational scrutiny.

    • Replies: @mark green
  13. There’s no reason Islam, as an ideology with rapid expansion of the dregs of surplus humanity behind it, should throttle itself and “respect our rights”. This isn’t how animals work. When an animal is growing stronger and has an advantage, it will use that advantage. Only the weak animal hopes for gentle treatment ere it is devoured.

    It’s good to see a nice Muslim who doesn’t want to shut you up, sure, but don’t kid yourselves: they will destroy everything we know. And if they don’t, the Africans will.

    • Agree: Sick of Orcs, TKK
    • Replies: @Wally
    , @Anonymous
  14. It’s not just Muslims being teed up against the sons of Europe. You see Jews “forming alliances” with East Asians, South Asians, African-Americans, and South Americans.

    Alliances against whom? Where before the answer to that question was “racism”, the answer is increasingly explicitly “whites”.

    Alliances to what end? It should be obvious by now that there will never be a victory declared in the “fight against racism” short of total genocide. As long as there is one white person left alive, the fight against racism is still on.

    If God delivers a group of people into your hands, genocide them.

    And the Lord our God delivered him before us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all his people. And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain: Only the cattle we took for a prey unto ourselves, and the spoil of the cities which we took. [Deut 2:33-35]

    Genocide. Kill everyone. Men, women, and children.

    [MORE]

    And the Lord said unto me, Fear him not: for I will deliver him, and all his people, and his land, into thy hand; and thou shalt do unto him as thou didst unto Sihon king of the Amorites, which dwelt at Heshbon. So the Lord our God delivered into our hands Og also, the king of Bashan, and all his people: and we smote him until none was left to him remaining. And we took all his cities at that time, there was not a city which we took not from them, threescore cities, all the region of Argob, the kingdom of Og in Bashan. All these cities were fenced with high walls, gates, and bars; beside unwalled towns a great many. And we utterly destroyed them, as we did unto Sihon king of Heshbon, utterly destroying the men, women, and children, of every city. But all the cattle, and the spoil of the cities, we took for a prey to ourselves. [Deut 3:2-6]

    When you conquer a foreign land, you must commit total genocide against the defeated with no mercy.

    When the Lord thy God shall bring thee into the land whither thou goest to possess it, and hath cast out many nations before thee,… And when the Lord thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them: [Deut 7:1, 2]

    Your job is to destroy and dispossess pitilessly.

    And thou shalt consume all the people which the Lord thy God shall deliver thee; thine eye shall have no pity upon them: [Deut 7:16]

    Eventually, everyone in the world not from your group must be destroyed, but not too quickly lest the wild animals get you. Kill their kings, and no one will be able to escape being destroyed by you.

    And the Lord thy God will put out those nations before thee by little and little: thou mayest not consume them at once, lest the beasts of the field increase upon thee. But the Lord thy God shall deliver them unto thee, and shall destroy them with a mighty destruction, until they be destroyed. And he shall deliver their kings into thine hand, and thou shalt destroy their name from under heaven: there shall no man be able to stand before thee, until thou have destroyed them. [Deut 7:22-24]

    If you go to a new city and the people welcome you, use false friendship to gain their trust, then enslave them.

    When thou comest nigh unto a city to fight against it, then proclaim peace unto it. And it shall be, if it make thee answer of peace, and open unto thee, then it shall be, that all the people that is found therein shall be tributaries unto thee, and they shall serve thee. [Deut 20:10-11]

    If a people resist their enslavement, kill all the men, then enslave the women and children.

    And if it will make no peace with thee, but will make war against thee, then thou shalt besiege it: And when the Lord thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword: But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself; and thou shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the Lord thy God hath given thee. [Deut 20:12-14]

    Do this to the whole world.

    Thus shalt thou do unto all the cities which are very far off from thee, which are not of the cities of these nations. [Deut 20:15]

    Toward the end of a genocide, when the few people left alive are hiding from you in terror, God will send hornets to drive them from their hiding places so you can slaughter them, too.

    Moreover the Lord your God will send the hornet among them until those who are left, who hide themselves from you, are destroyed. [Deut 7:20]

    But don’t abhor Egyptians.

    Thou shalt not abhor an Egyptian [Deut 23:7]

  15. Anon[287] • Disclaimer says:

    I think India, China, Russia, and much of the rest of Asia will fiercely reject what is obviously racial replacement immigration policies of the West.

    I look for Western powers to attempt to shoehorn migration compacts into trade and climate agreements in the future, forcing Africans and Islam upon them as a way of dividing and conquering them.. I also look for the West to use treatment of LGBT peoples as a means to interfere with the East and their cultures.

    Look for the West to try and set up media operations in Asia also and ensure their legal ability to do this via trade agreements. This would be the East’s great mistake. The West will change the east over the course of two or three generations if they get to propagandize it.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  16. neutral says:
    @Lo

    The usual nonsense “fire in the theatre” argument, now you are going to try argue why if I say your speech is stupid shit and should be shut down, it’s somehow different. It’s not, don’t even bother moron, you are just trying to enforce blasphemy laws on the sacrosanct victim classes.

    The fact is that being upset about something does not give you a veto to block peoples speech, I have absolutely zero doubts that if they passed a law saying bad things about Christians you would be screaming bloody murder and that you are living in a tyranny.

  17. onebornfree says: • Website

    A reminder:

    “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.” 1st amendment of the US Constitution

    And yet, here we are. Well, at least they tried 🙁

    Regards, onebornfree

    • Replies: @Justvisiting
  18. The Jewish-Muslim alliance started with the 8th Century Muslim conquest of the Iberian Peninsula (i.e. Spain) which would not have been possible without Jewish support. Jews betrayed their Visigoth rulers under whose rule they had flourished, to help the Umayyads conquer Christian lands. Ironically Muslims later turned against their Jewish allies in Spain and interned them in the first concentrations camps. However this unholy alliance of Jews and Muslims was not forgotten, and in the reconquista, Jews were offered similar terms Martel had offered Muslims in France, leave, convert or die.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Jake
  19. The “They Are Our Misfortune” list grows like Pinocchio’s nose while reading Torah.

  20. conatus says:

    Paul Gottfried discussed free speech and his Jewish colleagues many years ago at V dare

    “During forty years in “higher education”, I never ceased to be amazed by how allergic most of my Jewish colleagues were to open discussion. Never did they wish to see opened a question that they collectively decided to close, allegedly for the sake of combatting prejudice and discrimination. (It goes without saying that everything featured on VDARE.com would qualify as off-limits.)

    But this war on forbidden thoughts does not end with what VDARE.com dares to discuss. My Jewish colleagues and the ones I read in academic journals never tire of invoking certain guilt-infused taboos, reminding their subjects about how little they had done to atone for racism, sexism, and other currently condemned attitudes.

    Watching this spectacle, I am reminded of Nietzsche’s observation in Genealogy of Morals that the “Jewish priestly class” infects others with slave morality but somehow survives its own teachings. Reading the American Jewish historian Eric Foner, I was struck by how vividly in Reconstruction: America’s Unfinished Revolution, Foner personalizes the evils of racism, depicting white Southern Christians as being almost uniformly despicable. Another unmistakably Jewish historian, Stanley Elkins, in Slavery (1963) pushes the same guilt trip even further, offering an extensive comparison between the journey of black slaves to the New World and the trauma of Jews being dragged to Auschwitz. Absent from these tendentious comparisons are the necessary qualifications that the slaves had been sold by their fellow-blacks; and that their white owners were not intending to exterminate them.”

    from here:
    https://vdare.com/articles/a-jewish-conservative-wonders-is-free-speech-really-a-jewish-tradition

    • Replies: @onebornfree
  21. @Paul

    Aren’t the Jews conning the Muslims? They make common cause with their Muslim ‘partners’ regarding immigration and other issues, yet use their military arm (the US ‘Arsenal of Democracy’) to bomb them into the stone age throughout the Middle East, which is the prime cause of the immigration crisis into the West. Some friends, these slimy Jews.

    • Agree: Robjil
    • Replies: @KenH
  22. @Lo

    What Wally and Neutral said!

  23. No surprise in this article, as anyone who has read The Protocols of Zion is well aware of the zionists plans for the destruction of free speech and much , much more, also read The Controversy of Zion by Douglas Reed.

    • Replies: @Republic
  24. Richard B says:

    “[A]nti-Semitism is hatred or suspicion of Jews because they are Jews. It is an irrational prejudice built on centuries of stereotypes and hatreds which culminated in the worst crime in human history, on our continent, in the last century.”

    “Anti-semitism is hatred or suspicious of Jews because they are Jews.”

    No. It’s a percpetion based on experience.

    “It is an irrational prejudice built on centuries of sterotypes and hatred….”

    No. It’s a perception based on centuries of experience.

    “…which culminated in the worst crime in human history.”

    No. The worst crime in human history is the slaughter of 66 million Russians based on Jewish Supremacy’s ideology of Communism. Which also contributed to tens of millions more dead in the 20th century as that hateful and poisonous ideology spread throughout Asia.

    The other crime Murray’s referring to can’t even be counted as “history” because history comes from historians and historians have been barred from investigating the alleged crime, let alone publishing about it. If any historian refuses to be silenced they’re throw in jail and publically disgraced on an international scale.

    Talk about centuries of crime, hatred and irrational prejudice. Not to mention ignoble sneakiness, denial and projection.

    The worst crime in human history is found in Jewish Supremacy’s insatiable lust for power in the form of full spectrum dominance. It represents the real cancer of the human race.

    • Replies: @Wally
  25. @Anon

    Russia, Japan and South Korea are on the UN’s list for replacement migration. All these countries are members of the UN and signatories of most of UN’s documents, treaties, policies. So I’m not sure if it’s just the West that is to blame for these policies.

    https://www.un.org/en/development/desa/population/publications/ageing/replacement-migration.asp

  26. @mark green

    Wisely, Mark Green tried to raise American awareness, asked: “Why are potential nukes in Iran decried as a ‘global threat’ while an actual, existing nuclear arsenal in ever-expanding Israel is quietly depicted as appropriate, essential, and above criticism?”

    Given 2020 Demcrat candidate, Tulsi Gabbard’s, entirely remote chance to debate PreZident-Trump, Mark Green’s great question, (above), will be mandatorly absent much more than a public raising of Holocaust revisionism issues. Uh, Scranton calling, Wally!

    As an existential threat to my “Homeland,” the Trump administration, the Knesset Congress West, and Jewish Corporate Media have promoted the Iranian bomb & sanctified the 9/11 lie. 😕

    Thanks, MG! Yes, yes, “shame,” and a pox upon Israeli & American Shabbos goy facilitator “parasites.”

  27. Fabian socialist author H.G. Wells, who would probably disagree politically with most on UR, as he was an advocate of an internationalist New World Order, had this to say about freedom of speech in his book “The New World Order”, published in 1940, at the time Britain was at war:

    Before anything else, therefore, in this survey of the way to world peace, I put free speech and vigorous publication. It is the thing best worth fighting for. It is the essence of your personal honour. It is your duty as a world citizen to do what you can for that. You have not only to resist suppressions, you have to fight your way out of the fog. If you find your bookseller or newsagent failing to distribute any type of publication whatever–even if you are in entire disagreement with the views of that publication–you should turn the weapon of the boycott upon the offender and find another bookseller or newsagent for everything you read. The would-be world citizen should subscribe also to such organisation as the National Council for Civil Liberties; he should use any advantage his position may give him to check suppression of free speech; and he should accustom himself to challenge nonsense politely but firmly and say fearlessly and as clearly as possible what is in his mind and to listen as fearlessly to whatever is said to him. So that he may know better either through reassurance or correction. To get together with other people to argue and discuss, to think and organise and then implement thought is the first duty of every reasonable man.

    If most people thought and acted like this, Bezos, Zuckerbeg, et al. would be out of business.

  28. The word on the street is that Islam was invented by Jews to destroy Christianity as most of the ME (e.g. Syria was 99% Christian, Egypt over 90%, etc) and Europe was Christian, while Judaism was in terminal decline by the 7th Century. I can’t find anything to prove or disprove this except circumstantial evidence (e.g. the text of the Babylonian Tulmud and Koran are strikingly similar.) This may be purely co-incidental as Mohammed’s inner circle included many Jews, at least in the early days, but there is no doubt that Islam achieved the Jews dearest wish – the destruction of Christianity in its homeland, while Judaism made a remarkable comeback a few centuries after the creation of Islam.

    Jews later aided the Muslim conquest and occupation of Spain and assisted Muslims in the enslavement of Europeans and trade of sex slaves from Europe to the Middle East. Jews, then as now, use Muslims to advance their own agenda, at the cost of the host populations, because both are essentially parasitic religions based on slavery and oppression of others. However vicious dogs fighting over a juicy bone don’t stay friends for long, and Mohammed soon fell out with his Jewish cohorts and the Koran and Hadiths are replete with his rantings against the Jews, and the following 1400 years of Jewish-Muslim history show the uneasy relation between the two violent, supremacist religions vying for world domination.

  29. eah says:

    Jews can say pretty much whatever they want though.

    • Replies: @Richard B
    , @Anon
    , @mr meener
  30. Wally says:
    @Marshall Lentini

    related:

    While the controlled MSM / Jew supremacists proclaim the evils of Christians and their Crusades into the The Holy Land, as if the Crusades were nothing more than an attempt to seize land not belonging to them; what is not mentioned is that it was Muslims who invaded Christian lands.

    Reminder, Christianity pre-dates Islam by 600 years.

    The false premise that Islam is generally tolerant of others is laughable and is just another ruse by double talking Zionists, who ban Muslim entry into ‘Israel’, and Muslims who play the wolf in sheep clothing as they force their way into the West.

    I suggest that awareness of the true evils of Jew supremacy AND Islam be the correct approach.

    Thanks.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  31. Bookish1 says:

    As a white westerner I have to admit that our white western problems are with semites generally. Our white western societies should be free from all semites much less controlled by them which can only bring us disaster. The semites have their own area of the world to call their own so they should all leave the west and go back to the middleast.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  32. Wally says: • Website
    @Richard B

    A reminder that Jews have been lying about their ‘6,000,000 dead Jews’ since at least 1823, as shown in newspaper records.

    • Replies: @TKK
  33. Anonymous[198] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnonStarter

    ‘If you think that the migration of Muslims to Europe is motivated by an interpretation of jihad, you may be right in that the term means “struggle,” which, in this instance, would be understood as a struggle to survive’

    This is a complete and utter fabrication. Muslims are allowed to (commanded to) lie about their religion untill they have the strength to conquer openly. The muslim term for this is taqqiyah. The above is one such example.

    I will repeat for those who happen here by chance and see the above comment:

    Jihad has always meant holy war and the idea that jihad means inner struggle is a complete lie.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  34. Anonymous[198] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnonStarter

    Taqqiyah.

    Save it for the liberal morons.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  35. Anonymous[198] • Disclaimer says:
    @Marshall Lentini

    ‘This isn’t how animals work. When an animal is growing stronger and has an advantage, it will use that advantage. Only the weak animal hopes for gentle treatment ere it is devoured’

    Or to put it another way:

    When I am weak I appeal to your sense of fairness because those are your values.

    When I am strong I opress you unmercifully because those are my values.

    Beware of the Jewish trolls on this site running their word games. It is not a binary choice between accpeting Islamic infiltrators and being a zionist hawk on the other. Both Jews and muslims are parasites on the White body politic. They can all go back to the middle east and leave the Whites alone.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Rabbitnexus
  36. Anonymous[198] • Disclaimer says:
    @TheJewishQuestion

    ‘Jews betrayed their Visigoth rulers under whose rule they had flourished, to help the Umayyads conquer Christian lands.’

    To quote one historian:

    ‘“Without any love for the soil where they lived, without any of those affections that ennoble a people, and finally without sentiments of generosity,” says Amador de los Rios,{114} “they aspired only to feed their avarice and to accomplish the ruin of the Goths; taking the opportunity to manifest their rancour, and boasting of the hatreds that they had hoarded up so many centuries.”’

    Nothing ever changes. Today their periods of oppressing the visigoth and celto-ibearians with their muslim cousins they call their ‘golden age’.

    Constantinople was also breached through the Jewish quarter 800 years later.

    Same old same old.

  37. Anonymous[198] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bookish1

    Preach brother!

    Send them all home!

    So good to see so many on this site see throught both groups b*llshit.

  38. Richard B says:
    @eah

    Rubin’s comment is just another example of Jewish hatred and the moral imbecility that goes with it.

    I lived and worked in Latin America for 20 years. To call them all hard-working is a twisted joke that laughs at the face of 500 years of Latin American reality. To call “Republicans” (Whites) contempible cowards for being and thinking differently from her shows you what she really thinks of “tolerance.”

  39. aandrews says:

    Brainwashing for all: Holocaust Education to be Mandatory in American Schools

    Frei
    Daily Stormer
    July 8, 2019

    [MORE]

    […]

    “The World Jewish Congress is pushing US lawmakers to make Holocaust education mandatory in all schools, citing statistics from a 2018 poll revealing half of millennials can’t name a single Nazi concentration camp.

    “The WJC started a petition calling on Congress to ‘make Holocaust education mandatory in every school in the United States,’ that has garnered 8,500 signatures so far. The petition points to a rise in antisemitism and warns that “the horrors of the Holocaust are fading from our collective memory, especially among millennials.”

    “It refers to statistics found in the 2018 Holocaust Knowledge and Awareness Study which surveyed 1,350 Americans aged 18 and over and found 49 percent of millennials and 45 percent of adults couldn’t name a concentration camp or ghetto in Europe during the Holocaust. It also revealed that 41 percent of millennials think the number of Jews killed in the Holocaust was two million or less, rather than six million.”

    […]

    “Holocaust indoctrination is already mandatory in England. In fact, the ‘Holocaust’ is the only historical event that is a compulsory part of the National Curriculum for English schoolchildren. Think of that. Even the Magna Carta isn’t mandatory. But the ‘Holocaust’ is.

    “This still isn’t enough for the Jews, though. They are demanding that every child be given a copy of Anne Otto Frank’s diary, in the special Ballpoint Pen Edition.”

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  40. Republic says:
    @DESERT FOX

    Douglas Reed published an earlier work entitled Far and Wide, (1951) which presents in a shorter format, his later work, The Controversy of Zion.

  41. Censorship makes good ‘cattle’ fencing. It also helps to mask kosher privilege i.e. the 0.4% of the general population that wields disproportionate power.

    Jews in Britain have long seen Muslims as “natural allies” against the White and historically Christian majority.

    Browns and blacks are weapons. According to the London Evening Standard in 2016 Lady Margaret Oppenheimer Hodge said this about her support for Sadiq Khan the Pakistani:

    And it would be a really important symbol of (((modern Britain))) to have somebody of an Asian background representing London.

    • Replies: @DESERT FOX
  42. @Wally

    Hi Wally. I agree that the Zionist gag order on analysis and skepticism over the alleged ‘holocaust’ must be lifted. Absolutely. Fact-based history does not require a web of taboos and criminal penalties surrounding it to endure.

    As it stands now, the alleged Nazi holocaust is an unsubstantiated ‘gas libel’ against the German people.

    The ‘innocent suffering Jew’ meme has been rolled out for propaganda purposes. And it is used deviously and excessively. The alleged holocaust has become ever-present background noise. It is used each and every day to justify past, present, and future Zionist criminality. This fact alone makes Holocaustianity a moral travesty.

    But unlike the infamous ‘blood libels’ of yesteryear, there may in fact be absolutely nothing factual to substantiate the fantastic extermination claims churned out by wartime propagandists and the subsequent Holocaust Industry.

    The undeniable fact that bogus claims about ‘six million Jews’ were being made decades before Hitler came to power is a real smoking gun. World Jewry is worried, as it should be.

    If the holohoax is unmasked, the political shit will definitely hit the fan.

    Follow the truth wherever it leads.

    • Agree: Robjil, HEREDOT
    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  43. @Wally

    Hear ye, hear ye, haha, Wally took up his
    t-Rump cross, and in Neoconese, he cried:
    “The false premise that Islam is generally tolerant of others is laughable…” and then he complained about “Muslims who play the wolf in sheep clothing as they force their way into the West.* (💤igh) Upon return to Yad 😏 CODAH, Wally cackled:
    “I suggest that awareness of the true evils of Jew supremacy AND Islam be the correct approach.”

    In his 1960 fascinating book titled “Crowds & Power,” the Bulgaria-born Elias Canetti wrote a chapter called, “Islam as a Religion of War.” Fyi, in 1981, he was awarded a Nobel Prize in Literature. E.C. born 1905, passed away, 1994.

    Today am inclined to figure Mr. Canetti might (at minimum) describe the secular & Zionist Orthodox Jew fanatics as the world’s greatest wolfpack proponents for fighting wars for Israel.

    No doubt, Shabbos Goy, the so-called “Christian evangelical”🙄 Trump, and the Bible Thumpin’ Pence are also reliable fighters for Jewish supremacy.

    * Am wondering what Golly Tolerable Wally thinks about how ZUS, Israel, and KSA let the 9/11 Arab hijackers, haha, enter into my “Homeland,” party-hardy, watch porn, take passenger airplane flying lessons, and then promote them as terrorist killer fanatics who anticipated going home to a heavenly reward, 🙄 equipped with young virgins, & who’d make freak Jeffrey Epstein envious.

    Haha. Awareness of evil starts at home, Wall!

    • Replies: @Wally
  44. @aandrews

    Maybe they should provide children with a book on another Frank – “The Secret Relationship Between Blacks and Jews, Vol. 3, “Leo Frank Case: The Lynching of a Guilty Man” by NOI.

    https://noirg.org/articles/the-leo-frank-hoax-interview-with-the-noi-research-group/

  45. Anon[143] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lo

    As for free speech, there is stupid free speech and there is free speech.

    Said every person ever who inarguably has no place in the West.

    I mean, free speech is not being able to say any stupid shit you want to say to anyone

    That’s precisely what it is. If you don’t understand why this is the case, then you are unfit to live in the West because you lack the requisite ability to work out the logic that maintains relative political freedom for the populace.

    If you have a good suspicion that something you say will trigger a backlash, and it does not need to be said (it offers nothing, has no real value) then just don’t say it

    Or say it. When you are politically invested in something not being said, then it is axiomatic that you have no moral platform to dictate its value. Violence is illegal and so there is no formal reason to avoid saying something to avoid violence. Those who respond to speech with violence are criminals in our society. What you are essentially suggesting is an allowance for extra-judicial free speech suppression through violence or the threat of it. Next is enforcing every variety of sand nigger invented notion through violence. Again, this is why you people belong in your desert hellholes and not here.

    People who invented it, made it protected so that smart people could be protected from stupid people. It is not invented for stupid people to start fights with other stupid people.

    It’s difficult to imagine such a sentence from a more ironic source.

    To restate your primary thesis:

    Patronize a religion that has jihadi world conquest ideology whose precepts imply an reduction in western political freedoms, such as Islam and Judaism, and you can expect a “bloody nose”.

    • Replies: @Lo
  46. @Amerimutt Golems

    The old zionist trick, divide and conquer.

  47. Anon[143] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    It is not a binary choice between accpeting Islamic infiltrators and being a zionist hawk on the other. Both Jews and muslims are parasites on the White body politic. They can all go back to the middle east and leave the Whites alone.

    To delve deeply into Judaism and Islam is to realize that there is no aspect of Islam that isn’t a pale mirror of its Judaic counterpart: to include Jihad.

    There is no part of Islam that does not have its root in Judaism. Keep that in mind when trying to parse when Islam and Judaism “became allies”.

    Almost immediately after inception, and just after it routed the Near East of all other culture, Islam began to do Judah’s bidding to change Spain forever. It would be fair to offer that this was also the case in the Near East.

  48. Of course the nose has the holocaust story to always shield them against any kind of criticism. A short list of facts will cancel that holocaust baloney for once and for all:

    https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t553062/

  49. Anon[143] • Disclaimer says:
    @eah

    The perfidy of these pretend Jewish conservatives knows no bounds. They should all be tried in Guantanamo for conspiracy to undermine the State.

    In what other time would a State have allowed six decades of fake, disguised politics designed to disenfranchise half of the electorate go unpunished?

    After these assholes get shipped off to the deepest, darkest hole, the second step will be to take away the political participation rights of anyone and everyone with a dual passport. They cannot be allowed to hold public office nor to vote. The only people who should be able to participate in political life here are those who are wholly invested only in this nation.

    The third step will be to punish propaganda (“news”) outlets for printing anything but the facts surrounding any event or issue, with significant known factual omissions being punished as severely as lies and outright propaganda.

    The sum of the current domestic propaganda effort is an infinitely greater threat to this nation and its democracy than any effort from any foreign nation.

  50. @mark green

    In general, & not limited to Wally’s attention, Mark Green wisely advised: “Follow the truth wherever it leads.”

    The Holocaust is international Jewry’s Grand Facsade from which came the JFK murder, the USS Liberty murders at Sea, the 9/11 False Flag attacks, pursuant GWOT, and the planned takedown of Syria and Iran.

    Big problem now is that respected & too often idolized ZUS-proponents of untruth are watching you, including wherever the path to Truth leads. Thank you, M.G.

  51. @onebornfree

    at least they tried

    Over-riding the first amendment has proven to be a trivial exercise in the age of high tech.

    Create “intelligence agencies” with de facto unlimited powers and authority.

    Have these agencies provide seed funding (and therefore control of the board of directors) for startups that advocate free speech to attract millions/billions of users but morph into gigantic private corporations (de facto cartels) that act as censors.

    Outsourcing censorship–so easy an ape can do it.

  52. @Anonymous

    /Taqqiyah/

    The stock response of someone too afraid that a Muslim might say something agreeable. It’s gotta be “taqiyyah,” deception. Can’t possibly be true that Islam has anything reasonable to offer.

    Pathetic.

  53. @Anonymous

    /Muslims are allowed to (commanded to) lie about their religion untill they have the strength to conquer openly. The muslim term for this is taqqiyah./

    Pure ignorance.

    There is no such understanding of taqiyyah among the vast majority of Muslims and you have not a shred of evidence to support this. What I say is 100% corroborated by our primary source material, from which you and your ilk can only cherry-pick to suit your glaringly obvious confirmation bias.

    This stale old “taqiyyah” argument is just a tactic designed to shut down discussion before it begins. It betrays a profound weakness of intellect on behalf of those who employ it and makes you appear afraid that someone might actually listen to what we have to say. You’re as transparent as cellophane and many degrees flimsier, so take a hike back to your miserable oblivion, “Anon.”

    Nobody worthwhile cares what you have to say anyways.

    • Replies: @Talha
  54. Lo says:
    @Wally

    If you don’t have basic common sense, there is not much point trying to explain my point. Free speech does not mean you can say anything you want to anyone you want without any consequences. You can think some woman looks like a whore, you don’t walk to her husband and say that his wife must be a whore and then say you have free speech. You may think Jesus is imaginary, you don’t walk into some Orthodox mass and proclaim your opinion. Whether the reaction you will get is acceptable or unacceptable is not the issue here, the point is you don’t know the reaction you will get, there is nothing that can be gained, and free speech is mainly granted for individuals’ right to express their beliefs; not to just insult beliefs of others. There are plenty of people and books that deny religions including Islam without any issues. When idiots try to do the same though, they manage to turn it into a war. I do think if thinking about topics other than their daily lives could be banned for people with sub 120 IQ, the world would be a lot better than it is.

  55. Lo says:
    @neutral

    Bad is relative and subjective. I am against provoking people in general, including Christians. It doesn’t mean denying these religions should be banned, it just means don’t go provoke people just for sake of provoking, and if you do then don’t whine “muh free speech” when you get a reaction. As much as I don’t believe Christianity I wouldn’t go to a church and swear at Jesus & Mary. As much as I think it is nonsense to consider cows holy, I wouldn’t kick a cow in Delhi. These things are just common sense. You don’t need to be Voltaire to figure doing such things wouldn’t be about free speech.

  56. Lo says:
    @Anon

    It’s difficult to imagine such a sentence from a more ironic source.

    I stand by what I say. People who came up with free speech never imagined a world of 8 billion, where every idiot, even someone like you, would have an opportunity to broadcast their thoughts. It was for protecting the rights of people like themselves, not 100 IQ morons.

    Patronize a religion that has jihadi world conquest ideology whose precepts imply an reduction in western political freedoms, such as Islam and Judaism, and you can expect a “bloody nose”.

    You are slow, aren’t you? Where did I suggest a reduction in political freedoms? Where did I say you can expect bloody nose only if you attack Islam or Judaism? Say stupid things in the wrong place and you can expect a bloody nose anytime, anywhere. Again, free speech is not for protecting stupids from other stupids, it is for protecting intelligent people from mobs.

    Besides, if you are going to write long, whining responses at least get a username so that the next time you comment people can skip before reading.

  57. onebornfree says: • Website
    @conatus

    conatus says: ““During forty years in “higher education”, I never ceased to be amazed by how allergic most of my Jewish colleagues were to open discussion. Never did they wish to see opened a question that they collectively decided to close, allegedly for the sake of combatting prejudice and discrimination.”

    It’s an error to think that this inclination is confined to jews, if that’s what you are implying.

    It’s common throughout societies everywhere, “par for the course”, in fact. 🙂

    And so it goes……

    Regards, onebornfree

    • Replies: @CBTerry
  58. @Lo

    “…I do think if thinking about topics other than their daily lives could be banned for people with sub 120 IQ, the world would be a lot better than it is…”

    That would silence the absolute majority of Muslims (average IQ 85), so I am in favor of it. And if that rule would have been applied to 7th century Arabia, Islam would not even have arisen.

    • Replies: @Lo
    , @BengaliCanadianDude
  59. Wally says:
    @Lo

    said:
    “Free speech does not mean you can say anything you want to anyone you want without any consequences.”

    – Yes it does, it does exactly that. That is why the US has the 1st amendment.

    said:
    “You can think some woman looks like a whore, you don’t walk to her husband and say that his wife must be a whore and then say you have free speech. You may think Jesus is imaginary, you don’t walk into some Orthodox mass and proclaim your opinion.”

    – Most would not, but legally they certainly could.
    But legally, if the husband get’s pissed off about comments about his scuzzy wife, or if anyone is offended by an opinion on Jesus decides to assault those who voice such opinions, I guarantee you the assailants will go to jail … because we have the right to free speech. Not to mention laws against assault in general.

    – I remind you that burning a US flag certainly offends & pisses a lot of people off, but that is act is protected as free speech.

    said:
    “There are plenty of people and books that deny religions including Islam without any issues.”

    – Bingo, dumb ass! That’s because we have the 1st amendment.

    • Replies: @eah
    , @Lo
  60. Talha says:
    @AnonStarter

    This stale old “taqiyyah” argument is just a tactic designed to shut down discussion before it begins.

    Yup – it’s about as inane as shutting down a conversation with “rayyyycist!!!” or “Islamophobe!!!” or “homophobe!!!” – it’s simply the other side of the coin of; “Don’t listen to him, he’s a liar! Here’s some cotton for your ears!”

    Wa salaam.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  61. KenH says:
    @follyofwar

    yet use their military arm (the US ‘Arsenal of Democracy’) to bomb them into the stone age throughout the Middle East, which is the prime cause of the immigration crisis into the West.

    It also speaks volumes about the Muslims who suffer under the yoke of Israel and a Jewish inspired American foreign policy that kills large numbers of them yet they eagerly team up with Jews against whites in all Western nations. Neither group is worthy of our trust.

  62. Ace says:
    @AnonStarter

    So these Muslims (here, here, here and here) have arrived in Britain and will never be like a carbuncle on the British body politic?

    Call me crazy but all I see here are Muslims with nothing but contempt for Britons and their ways and ZERO intention of being anything but a foreign body in an infidel land. And the intention is conquest not cooperation.

    Make war on them [infidels] until idolatry shall cease and God’s religion shall reign supreme.

    —Koran 8:38-39

    Do you deny the Koran? Surely not.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  63. KenH says:
    @Lo

    You can think some woman looks like a whore, you don’t walk to her husband and say that his wife must be a whore and then say you have free speech.

    Yes you can although it would be ill advised and the only person who would do such a thing is a psychopath. Saying someone’s wife is a whore would probably be considered fighting words by most judges and they would go real easy on the husband who hopefully blackened the eyes of the guy who insulted his wife.

    • Replies: @Lo
  64. eah says:
    @Wally

    But legally, if the husband get’s pissed off about comments about his scuzzy wife, … I guarantee you the assailants will go to jail…

    link

    I don’t think that’s necessarily true — the insult will be seen as a provocation, and therefore as a mitigating factor — provocation as a mitigating factor is taken into consideration both in the kind of charges filed, as well as later in sentencing — an assailant (later defendant) who was provoked, eg in this example by someone insulting his wife, would very probably be charged with a less serious offense, and if convicted (or via a plea deal) receive a less severe sentence — both the prosecution and the court have a good deal of discretion in such cases.

    • Replies: @Wally
  65. KenH says:

    In the former article, Dr Leitner admits that there are “Muhammadan slave dealers,” but claims that they are “unworthy” of Islam and that, in the truest sense, they are “devoid of any religion.”

    I guess now we know (((who))) and where the excuse that Muslims who commit bloody terrorist attacks are fake/not real/apostate Muslims originates from. Funny how those same excuses don’t apply to white Europeans or Christians who were involved in the slave trade or did bad deeds. Then it’s collective guilt for whitey and demands for reparations and to open your nation’s borders.

  66. Anon[273] • Disclaimer says:

    I stand by what I say. People who came up with free speech never imagined a world of 8 billion, where every idiot, even someone like you, would have an opportunity to broadcast their thoughts. It was for protecting the rights of people like themselves, not 100 IQ morons.

    You stand by what you say because you’re a moron with no long time preference, like the rest of your associated monkey clans. Anything is sacrificed for your short time horizon gains and self interest. Its part of the essential difference that makes us who we are, and you are who you are, and why never the twain shall meet.

    The nation from which you originate has an average IQ of well below 100. Making the right side of your nation’s Bell curve fall well below the results for the second standard deviation (your 2%), which is where I test, of the group to which I belong. Be careful not to flatter yourself nor project, lest you highlight your intellectual incompetency as you write ungrammatical sentences that wouldn’t justify a grade higher than a C in any White sophomore English class at an average public high school.

    Your retard level writing and reasoning style is so self evident, that I’m not even tempted to rebut you by listing my credentials in response to your baiting; which you think is serving as a legitimate rhetorical response but instead merely looks like avoidance of anything that resembles rhetoric.

    “The people” who “imagined” free speech were my ancestors. Dreck such as yourself, from failed and backward third world nations, have no room nor privilege to determine their reasoning outside of citing their quotes on the matter.

    When you morons do try to enter that intellectual space, you invariably remove any doubt as to your animal minds when you offer such gems as “derp… deys thoughts not everyone would speak”!

    The Founding Fathers would have consulted your provincial leader at the time, the Sheik of Goatfuckistan, if they had wanted your opinions or your self-interested idiosyncratic interpretation as they drafted 1st Amendment. They didn’t, we don’t, and your opinion on the matter doesn’t matter.

    In fact, the First Amendment was drafted to protect from people like you, from low IQ backward nations with subversive belief systems that you were too dumb to even craft yourselves (thank the Jews). That you wish to see the First Amendment diminished, as you attach yourself to an imperialist ideology, is evidence of that fact.

    The reality is that inalienable free speech protects political freedom in all environments, even those poisoned by unending brown hordes from nations with average IQ’s in the mid 80s or worse: such as yours.

    The unfettered First Amendment is especially relevant in the context of your presence. Due to your people’s always clumsy and destructive emotion that falsely instructs you that your monkey notions of how to do things are correct even after you ran here to escape your own failing nations.

    Per statistics: the primary idiot contingent in the United States is comprised of your kind, from low rent brown nations such as yours, who think that importing your animal superstitions and political agendas from antiquity is an improvement on this nation.

    Whereas intelligent people, escaping their own kind, would come to see their notions of government as being worthy of extermination; as evidenced by the failed nations that they run from.

    If you want your anti free speech environment (the free speech environment being the only reason that you exist here in the first place) then screw off back to your hot dirt patch at whatever lower latitude you originate. If that isn’t to your liking, then feel free to enjoy what we have here but to be laughed at when you question the system that created it and that allowed you entry in the first place.

    The West is not yours and it will never be. Your own books state as much, as does the religion from which they are derived.

    You are slow, aren’t you? Where did I suggest a reduction in political freedoms?

    There’s that projection again. An effective reduction in Free Speech by whatever method, which Islamic and Judaic religious-political agendas eventually require (and currently support), is a reduction in political freedoms.

    Where did I say you can expect bloody nose only if you attack Islam or Judaism?

    There’s that lack of intelligence and English reading / writing ability.

    Say stupid things in the wrong place and you can expect a bloody nose anytime, anywhere.

    Only in backwards goatfuckistans and ghettos, which I understand you are used to. Not in civilization. Don’t worry, we’ll open as many prisons as it takes to teach you that lesson as many times as it takes.

    Again, free speech is not for protecting stupids from other stupids, it is for protecting intelligent people from mobs.

    You are making this too easy. I’m going to leave your sentence here, just as it is with no response from me, as its own retort.

    Thanks for providing that material, yet again? I’m honestly not sure what else to do here. Keep restating that sentiment as much as you would care to. Its awesome.

    Besides, if you are going to write long, whining responses at least get a username so that the next time you comment people can skip before reading.

    Okey dokey, camel lover. Your wish is my command. Meanwhile, keep contributing to the “debtate”. Your writing example and advertised thought processes, on a greater scale, is exactly what we need to cement the First Amendment in place forever and hopefully pass new legislation in the future that further strengthens it. It may even help us to further reduce immigration from your part of the world. Visible threats to this nation and its foundational precepts will do that.

    • Replies: @Lo
    , @BengaliCanadianDude
  67. Jake says:

    Of course Jews and Mohammedans are allies. They each are anti-Christ and anti-Christendom. They are the 2 arms, the 2 wings, of Semitic culture. They are both anti-white because white people built and maintained Christendom. Both love whites who betray Christ and Christendom.

  68. Wally says:
    @eah

    “Mitigating factor”? “Provocation”?

    You could say that about any crime … in court.

    But such violence is still illegal, the assailant would be arrested and end up in court.

    • LOL: eah
    • Replies: @Lo
  69. @Ace

    Full disclosure: I don’t watch videos, though I listened to some of the audio.

    I think you’re a bit confused about what I’ve said.

    Two of the videos you posted were of Anjum Choudary, UK’s premiere celebrity extremist. The last video sounds like one of his acolytes, and none of the voices presented represent mainstream Islam. You might as well say that John Hagee represents mainstream Christianity in America or that Meir Kahane’s spiritual progeny is emblematic of mainstream Judaism. Equally fallacious assertions, yet there’s as much evidence of them as you present for your own.

    /Make war on them [infidels] until idolatry shall cease and God’s religion shall reign supreme./

    This isn’t 8: 38-39. Here are the verses, minus the parenthetical abridgments that appear nowhere in the original Arabic:

    Tell those who deny that if they cease, that which is past will be forgiven them; but if they return, then the example of the men of old has already gone.

    And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for God. But if they cease, then surely, God is Seer of what they do.

    Now, the historical context of these verses concerned an ongoing war between belligerent deniers of Islam who fought the Muslims for their faith. That being the case, in only such an analogous situation may the verse be applied. When a polity does not seek to vanquish Muslims for their faith, establishing with them terms of equity and peace, the Muslims may not fight them.

    Only an extremist imagines otherwise.

    • Replies: @Ace
    , @Talha
  70. @Talha

    Wa ‘alaikumus-salaam, Talha.

    Insha’Allah, you’re doing well.

    • Replies: @Talha
  71. Wally says: • Website
    @AghaHussain

    The “holocaust” sacred cow whch doesn’t hold up to scrutiny and free speech must be stopped because of that very reason.

    The black man below obviously knows the score and tried to walk the middle of the road, all for naught.

    – So, if blacks get all over the impossibility of the ridiculous “holocaust” narrative then what?
    – How far will Jews go in silencing free speech by blacks & browns?
    – How long can they get away with oppressive actions like this?

    Just in:
    Black School Principal Who Tried to Stay ‘Politically Neutral’ About “Holocaust” Is Fired.
    https://archive.is/SiNGX

  72. Jake says:
    @TheJewishQuestion

    It began well before that; it began with the origins of Islam itself. It was cemented as Jews played indispensable roles – certainly with finance – in the Mohammedan conquest of the Christian Near East, each step of the way.

    Jews were happy to help desert Arabs slaughter sark shaded Christians, many of whom would have born at least a bit of Hebrew ancestry because the Jewish war always is about being anti-Christ and anti-Christendom.

    White WASP atheists are also anti-Christ and anti-Christendom. White WASP Judaizers are also anti-Christendom and, though they assume otherwise, anti-Christ. And they, far more than any other group of people, made the world safe for this round of anti-Christ fury.

  73. Wally says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    As I have said repeatedly, and you ignore, I do not support Trump in regards to Israel.

    Why do you keep lying?

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  74. Talha says:
    @AnonStarter

    Alhamdulillah, hope you are too. I’m mostly posting on that other thread. Just came by to take a peek here.

    Yeah, this attempt at a Liberal/Marxist-style collusion with certain Jewish elites that some of our organizations (claiming to represent us) are attempting is myopic and not going to turn out well.

    Have you read Br. Daniel’s latest article on the subject of the abject failure thus far of our community’s attempt at political involvement?:
    https://muslimskeptic.com/2019/07/03/time-to-call-a-moratorium-on-muslim-political-involvement/

    Wa salaam.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  75. TKK says:
    @Wally

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/florida-principal-holocaust-factual-historical-event

    This Florida principal was reassigned to a “district” job because he stated that the Holocaust was not a factual, historical event, or he said it could not be proved.

    He’s black, and I think that saved him, hence the district job and not a termination.

    I thought he handled it well with a diplomatic answer- basically stating he could not have an opinion as he was a public servant. But that was his downfall- presenting it as an issue up for debate.

    If presenting an alternative history or even pleading neutrality on the topic of the Holocaust can result in adverse employment actions, criminal consequences are not far behind.

    • Replies: @Wally
  76. Lo says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    Lol, that would silence the absolute majority of the world. Honestly, most people have no business talking these things anyway & I do believe reducing their ability to broadcast their thoughts would be beneficial to everyone including their selves.

  77. @Wally

    Haha. As if t-Rump would have anything special apart from his connection to Jewish wealth and the tribe’s having selected him to be their inept but manageable ZUS president, Wally, said:
    “As I have said repeatedly, and you ignore, I do not support Trump in regards to Israel.
    Why do you keep lying?”

    Haha. Ask not what t-Rump did not do for Jews, but ask what scraps your country got
    after Israel feasted. 🙄

    Selah, The Eagles, “I thought by now Wally’d realize, Shabbos Goy just can’t hide their lyin’ eyes!”

    • Replies: @Wally
  78. Lo says:
    @Anon

    You are writing far too long for an anonymous and I didn’t read what you posted. If you want a response, get a username and repost it. My guess is you are one of those butthurt genocide claimers who got a good spanking recently. In any case, you will have to get a username before posting long-winded responses.

  79. Lo says:
    @Wally

    You know a lot about laws Wally, where did you get your JD from? Are you a constitutional scholar perchance?

    • Replies: @Wally
    , @eah
  80. Wally says:
    @TKK

    You responded to the wrong comment, NBD though. See my comment #72.

    Yeah, know about that.
    He lost his job as Principal, hence he as fired from it.

    We can only hope that he files a lawsuit. That is what it will take to get it to the Supremes.

    And then?

  81. Lo says:
    @KenH

    Thanks, and that is my point, it is just that some fools here don’t get it. You can, of course, do all sorts of stupid stuff I listed above but you should be ready for a backlash. They don’t seem to understand free speech does not give one the right to just insult anyone in any way he wishes and just get away with it.

  82. nsa says:

    “British jews and muslims are natural allies…..”
    Maybe in the UK, but this alliance is not applicable to the USA. Here the jew and the jew-lites (chrissies) are the allies eviscerating the First Amendment and imposing their appalling filthy ideas on the rest of us through control of the media, government, and banking industries.

  83. Lo says:
    @Wally

    First, don’t skip your medications. You are being paranoid as usual. I never claimed that you cannot do any of those things, including insulting Muslims. Obviously, you can, all I said is that just because you can it doesn’t mean it is a smart or sensible thing to do, and that you shouldn’t be surprised when people react aggressively. As for flag burning, again it is an act of stupid, a completely useless and pointless act & I am against burning books, religious symbols & flags. I don’t think they should fall under the 1st amendment. They offer nothing good and benefit no one. Again, Founding Fathers never calculated that there would be billions of morons in the future and assumption of common sense prevails in most laws written in the pre-modern era (not just in the US, but in most places, people could never imagine how the world would be like).

    • Replies: @Wally
  84. Wally says:
    @Lo

    It doesn’t take an astronomer to realize that the moon is not made of cheese.

    Your hasbarist position against free speech is noted.

  85. @Franklin Ryckaert

    That would silence the absolute majority of Muslims (average IQ 85

    LOL the Ziopig schill believes that. Maybe for the groids. Not for other people. The genetic IQ is much higher, and its depressed because of malnutrition, lack of food, and unclean water.

  86. @Anon

    Troll obviously. The IQ of non-negroid Muslims in America, Canada and the West is much higher. The genetic IQ of them in their own countries is higher as well

  87. Wally says:
    @Lo

    That’s it, that’s your response? LOL

    IOW, you didn’t read, or more likely, do not understand what I posted.

    You’re obviously in over your head.

  88. Wally says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    I agree, loathesome Israel deserves the title of “that shitty little country”. Whoopee, Chuck Orloski got something right.

    6/2019 Bureau of Labor Statistics, the same source as Obama and all of Chuck Orloski’s beloved Communists used:

    [MORE]

    Employment data has shown significant income growth for working-class Americans. Unemployment is at the lowest level in nearly 50 years. Unemployment for blacks, Hispanics, and Asians is at or near multi-decade lows.

    Wages in May for nonsupervisory employees were up 3.4 percent year over year, the tenth consecutive month at or above three percent. That’s all the more impressive because inflation is running around 1.5 percent. Prior to Trump’s presidency, average wages have not risen by more than three percent since 2009.

    Last Christmas, store clerks were paid on average 5.5 percent more than the year before, the largest annual gain since 1998. And the gains have continued, with retail employees seeing a 3.8 percent year over year gain in April’s data. Restaurant and hotel workers in April were paid 4.7 percent more than the year before.

    Trump over Hillary any day.

    • Replies: @turtle
  89. eah says:
    @Lo

    Wally is just being a prick, which is not unusual; perhaps if you ask him nicely he’ll explain why — but the fact is, if you call a guy’s wife a whore, and he punches you and breaks your nose, even if you want to “press charges”, most DAs would tell you to piss off: you got what you deserved.

    • Replies: @Wally
  90. @BengaliCanadianDude

    Average IQ of the 13 most important (non-African) Muslim countries :

    West Asia : Turkey : 90, Iran : 84
    North Africa : Morocco : 85, Egypt: 83
    Middle East : Syria : 87, Iraq : 87
    Arab Peninsula : Saudi Arabia : 83, Yemen : 83
    Indian Subcontinent : Pakistan : 81, Bangla Desh : 81
    South East Asia : Indonesia : 89
    Central Asia : Uzbekistan: 87, Turkmenistan : 87

    All together 1107, divided by 13 = 85,15.

    Source : World IQ Figures: A Complete Chart with Notes and Comments, Lasha Darkmoon.

    These countries are not severely underdeveloped to the extent that they suffer from malnutrition, lack of food or unclean water. Saudi Arabia for example is not poor, yet its average IQ is only 83, the same as “poor” Yemen.

    Higher average IQ of immigrants from these countries to the West is a reflection of selective immigration, i.e. immigration of the more wealthy and better educated, hence more intelligent.

    It would be interesting to take the IQ of “Allah” by analizing his “revelations” in the Qur’an, with all its blunders, contradictions and fallacies. I suspect it will also be about 85, just fitting for his believers.

  91. @BengaliCanadianDude

    BENGALI

    In terms of business IQ I would line up a Muslim Gujarati with the biggest shark on Wall Street or Chinese ethnic cartel in Philippines.

  92. Richard B says:
    @AghaHussain

    Exactly. Reminds me of what a Jewish professor once said to me back in the 80’s.

    I’d seen the Israeli statesman Abba Eban speak at our college and during his speech he thundered “Israel must be Jewish and Democratic!” The crowd approved.

    Young and new to all of this, I asked my professor what he thought about Eban’s remark.
    He just laughed and said, “How can anything Jewish be democratic?”

    He followed that one with, “See? This is why Jews are the smartest and dumbest people at the same time.”

  93. @Franklin Ryckaert

    Indonesia, India, Pakistan are obviously plagued by rampant malnutrition, you intellectually dishonest Zionist. The IQ is also above 83-84 because of the Flynn Effect. Turkey is not first world, so they obviously do not have the same advancements or level of advancements we do. North Africa plus Syria, Iraq and likewise are all ravaged war torn( hmm I wonder who did that)third world countries. Of course they have a lack of proper food and nutrition. Stop lying. This goes for Uzbekistan which is a poor former Soviet Republic as well. Add the IQ boost received from proper nutrition, and it’s close to 100 genetically.

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
    , @Wally
  94. druid55 says:
    @AnonStarter

    i’m muslim too and totally agree with you. I think the worst thing to happen to Islam is it’s basis in Judaism!!!! Standing alone, it would be a much better religion!!!

  95. Once you understand the Jewish definition of antisemitism, it all become clearer:

    The Jewish definition of antisemitism is any criticism or questioning of Israel or her policies. As well as any criticism of a Jew. So for example, any criticism of George Soros is defacto antisemitic. It was similar under Obama: any criticism of Obama or his policies was considered racist.

    • Replies: @Wally
  96. Ace says:
    @AnonStarter

    Thanks for your reply.

    You’re correct that it’s unfair to ascribe minority views of a particular religion or political persuasion to others. However, I can see nothing but adulation and respect for Choudary among his many followers who turn out in force to chant and yell and hold up their signs that Shariah will dominate Britain or the world. Where are these “mainstream Muslims” of whom you speak to counter such views?

    How much of a minority view he represents is the question but I think there are too many videos of great numbers of Muslims behaving in bizarre ways. In Sweden and France there are no-go areas that police and firemen do not dare to enter without doing so in force. The sharia patrols that presume to enforce sharia on native people demonstrate an arrogance and, frequently, employ violence that I nowhere see countered or objected to by “mainstream” Muslims. The undercover visit to a British mosque some years back revealed some diseased thinking, though it was garden-variety Muslim exhortation.

    The video with the BBC interview of the young woman and young man is instructive. The two are hardly fanatics but calmly offer their opinion that they are Muslims and never will be anything but physically present in Britain so far as native Britons are concerned. The woman’s ultra-plumby accent is laughable considering her disdain for all things British.

    Quran.com renders 8.38-39 in part as “And fight them untiler there is no fitnah . . .” which I understand to mean strife between Muslims, however, 8.38 speaks of “those who have disbelieved” so technically they are Muslims only insofar as they have not been offered an opportunity to abjure their apostasy and refused. Or perhaps that stepping stone has been passed over since 8.39 commands “fight them until there is no fitnah.” Presumably this is an absence of fitnah often found on the battlefield.

    Your point that the command to fight “those who have disbelieved” (in the Quran.com version) only occurs after disbelievers who wage war on true Muslims seems terribly thin to me. A verse like 9:29 says nothing about fighting people who’ve chosen to wage war on Muslims. If you don’t believe that is sufficient reason to be attacked by Muslims.

    It reads: “Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture – [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.”

    And who can forget the shia view of infidels as being on a level of excrement and dead bodies? Al-Islam.org.” I understand that Shia Muslims aren’t beloved by Sunni Muslims but then there’s verse 98:6 that refers to “they who disbelieved among the People of the Scripture and the polytheists” as “the worst of creatures.” Mild in a certain way but the Koran is simply brimming with much worse — hostility toward and contempt for the kuffar.

    Where is the “mainstream” objection to this stuff? Answer: nowhere because questioning the Koran has long since been establishes as blasphemy for which the penalty is death. “Mainstream” Muslims mean nothing in the scheme of things. The Choudarys of the Muslim world are the crown jewels.

  97. If we compare majority Muslim countries with non-Muslim countries with more or less the same GDP, then according to your opinion they should have more or less the same average IQ. But that is not the case. I have compared 9 Muslim countries with non-Muslim countries with more or less the same GDP, but their average IQs differ widely.

    GDP in $ per capita is taken from List of countries by GDP (PPP) per capita-Wikipedia.

    Average IQs are taken from : Lasha Darkmoon : World IQ Figures: A Complete Chart with Notes and Comment.

    Qatar, GDP : 130,475 ; IQ 78 ~ Luxembourg, GDP : 106,705 ; IQ 101

    United Arab Emirates, GDP 69,382 ; IQ 83
    Kuwait, GDP 67,000 ; IQ 83 ~ Switzerland, GDP 64,649 ; IQ 101

    Saudi Arabia, GDP 55,944 ; IQ 83 ~ Iceland, GDP 55,917 ; IQ 98

    Bahrain, GDP 50,057 ; IQ 83 ~ Canada, GDP 49,651 ; IQ 97

    Oman, GDP 46,584 ; IQ 83 ~ Finland, GDP 46,430 ; IQ 97

    Iran, GDP 19,557 ; IQ 84 ~ Belarus, 20,9003 ; IQ 96

    Turkmenistan, GDP 19,527 ; IQ 87 ~ Thailand, GDP 19,476 ; IQ 91

    Uzbekistan, GDP 7,665 ; IQ 87 ~ Vietnam, GDP 7,510 ; IQ 96

    Qatar is at the top of the world GDP list, but it has an average IQ of only 78. Luxembourg is nr. 2 on the GDP list, but its average IQ is 101. I don’t think that difference of 23 points could be ascribed to “malnutrition” of those rich Qataris.

  98. Talha says:
    @AnonStarter

    When a polity does not seek to vanquish Muslims for their faith, establishing with them terms of equity and peace, the Muslims may not fight them.

    The biggest problem I find is that people keep telling us what our religion states (whether through their own ignorance of Islamic jurisprudence or the due to the specific information fed to them – usually by Zionist-funded organizations).

    Rarely do people actually have any inkling about the state of affairs on the ground and the development/formulation of Islamic adoption of international law framework that has happened within the last couple of centuries (and especially in the case of the unprecedented development of international protocols in the aftermath of WW2). We may know of men like Shaykhs Mahmud Shaltut, Muhammad Ghazali, Wahba Zuhayli, Said Ramadan al-Bouti, Muhammad Ibn Ashur, Abdullah Bin Bayyah, etc. and the discussions and debates that have been proceeding in the Muslim world and their impact, but most people have never heard of them (or more precisely, not been told about them and their works by the Zionists constantly feeding them information).

    If you have time, bro – I suggest reading this fairly concise (given how complicated the subject is) read from Oxford Univ. regarding the development of international law in Islamic jurisprudence with respect to the changing environment in the world over time. The below is just a brief excerpt (relevant to the issue you are tackling):
    “2. The End of the Dar al-Harb
    46 The most important doctrinal development in Islamic international law in the post-World War II era was the conclusion by prominent Muslim jurists that the category dar al-harb was obsolete. These include jurists such as Mahmud Shaltut, who served as the rector of the Azhar Mosque University in Egypt in the middle of the 20th century and authored two treatises on the Islamic law of warfare, Muhammad’s Mission and Warfare in Islam (1933) and The Quran and Warfare (1948) (see Peters) in which Shaltut sought to recast the classical Islamic law of warfare to make it consistent with the newly emerging world order; Muhammad Abu Zahra, a traditionally-trained, but reform-minded, scholar of Islamic law and professor of law at Cairo University Faculty of Law active in the inter-war period and immediately after World War II and author of International Relations in Islam (1964); and Wahba al-Zuhayli, a prominent contemporary Syrian jurist of Islamic law and member of the influential Islamic law committee of the Organization of the Islamic Conference and author of International Relations in Islam: a Comparison with Modern International Law (1981).

    47 This group of Muslim jurists denied that the category of dar al-harb had any normative significance, and argued that it was instead an empirical category and that jihad was only authorized against hostile non-Muslims. The rise of international law and institutions such as the United Nations that purported to guarantee the independence of all States, secure the self-determination of the colonized, and protect human rights, radically changed the political environment in which Muslims found themselves. This change in the international environment, according to these jurists, meant that international relations had changed from one in which war and conquest was the default rule to one in which peace and friendship was the default rule.
    https://opil.ouplaw.com/view/10.1093/law:epil/9780199231690/law-9780199231690-e711

    Peace.

  99. Wally says:
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    Except that all those mentioned do not rise in IQ, work ethic, and capability when they get into first world countries and suck up all kinds of free, unearned welfare, food stamps, etc.

    Also just look at over fed US blacks & browns, dumb as can be.

    Your nutrition canard is debunked by simply looking at fat third worlders, a veritable obesity epidemic is common in those countries.

    Your attempts at spin are refuted by facts, observable facts.

    Communists try anything to excuse their constant failures.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
  100. Wally says:
    @Robert Whatever

    Agreed.
    But more specifically it’s:

    anti-semitism: any thought, fact, or person that a Jew doesn’t like

    BTW, the recently arrested pedophile, Jeffrey Epstein, has claimed that the charges against him are “anti-semitic”.

    • Replies: @turtle
  101. @Talha

    So are those famous modern Muslim jurists prepared to state that the wars of the prophet Muhammad, his companions and his successors (“Rashidun”) to conquer the world were wrong? That the Muslim invasions of North Africa, Spain and France, the Balkans, Iran, Central Asia and India were all wrong and should never have happened? I hold my breath!

    • Replies: @Talha
  102. @Wally

    Troll answer of course. Obesity exists everywhere. The income and achievements of Muslim communities in the US and Canada point to the exact opposite. Malnutrition has an effect, and it depresses IQ by 10 points. Stick to linking CODOH.COM blankly. That’s all you’re good for.

  103. @Talha

    Hope this isn’t too late, insha’Allah.

    Bediuzzaman Said Nursi once declared, “I seek refuge in God from Satan, the Rejected, and politics,” devoting himself entirely to revealing the truth of Islam. Ironically, in time, the students of the Risale-i Nur became the single most important constituency that brought Erdogan and company to power, thereby demonstrating that a grass-roots movement directed toward self-restoration, brotherhood and comity among the faithful is the most effective — albeit most patience-demanding — means of genuine political revolution.

    Ibn Taymiyya’s Al-Amr bi-l Maʿrūf wan-Nahy ʿani-l Munkar, which is better translated as The Commanding of What is Certain and Avoiding of the Dubious, includes a section on page 11 concerning the “pitfalls” of so doing. While the renowned “hand” and “tongue” haddith remains unassailable, we also read the following haddith:

    … rather enjoin on one another what is right and forbid what is wrong until you see obedience to greed and following of lusts and preoccupation with this world and the absolute fascination of each one with his own opinion, and when you see a situation over which you have no power, what is upon you then is your private affairs. For verily, the Days of Patience are coming; patience in those days is like squeezing a hot coal in your hand. The reward of one who fulfills all of his obligations in those days is equal to the reward of fifty such people today.

    In our time, we follow “the path that leads to water” until we become that path, just as The Prophet sallALLAHU ‘alaihi wa sallam was “the living Qur’an” as per the description of our mother ‘Aisha. This should constitute the essence of Islamic “politics” today. While American vigilantes posturing as our representatives are so easily led by zionazis into wholly needless and deleterious war — among other things — we, the common folk, who cannot reach their machinations, have within us the capacity to know God and enjoy His relief without recourse to any other being or thing.

    And that alone is worth more than anything any self-proclaimed “Islamic State” can ever claim to offer.

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  104. @Franklin Ryckaert

    Not a good reply at all. Does not take into account other circumstances like Iran’s blockade and inability to trade with the rest of the world because of a de-facto embargo. That’s just one. Malnutrition goes beyond that, and of course you’re selectively picking and choosing. Nobody’s saying the Arabs are smart. And nobody’s saying the gap is 23. It’s at least 10. Picking oil countries basically works against your point anyways. Luxembourg is a tax haven. This is the weakest debunking of the malnutrition component I have ever seen lol staying true to the zionist label

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  105. Talha says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    No – why would they? That was the Age of Empires – did you even bother to read the article? The Muslim scholars of the time intelligently and wisely formulated rules taking into account the reality of Late Antiquity and Medieval eras (in the age of conquer-or-be-conquered, it is best to do all the conquering) – why would they formulate laws for some hypothetical possibility that would only become reality 1200 years later? I don’t know of anybody in circles of Islamic jurisprudence writing about how one should pray on Mars and whether they should make Hajj – maybe if that becomes a reality, they’ll deal with it.

    Prof. Sherman Jackson also cited – in his work “Jihad and the Modern World” – an important statement by one of the greatest medieval Maliki jurists, Shaykh Shihab ud-Din al-Qarafi (ra), namely:
    “Holding to rulings that have been deduced on the basis of custom even after this custom has changed is a violation of consensus [ijma’, http://www.oxfordislamicstudies.com/article/opr/t125/e989%5D and an open display of ignorance of religion.”

    This is not to say there aren’t scholars that still hold definitions like “Dar ul-Harb” as still being normative and have their evidences, because there are.

    However, the ones currently having the most influence with regards to most Muslim governments and their policies (like adoption of international protocols, treaties, etc.) are clearly the former group.

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  106. @Talha

    Thank you for that, akhi.

    I recall one of my teachers splitting the false dichotomy asunder by describing the entirety of the modern world as a dar al-imtihan, or realm of examination, which is the best description of our reality I’ve heard to date.

    I’m not sure how else the faithful might reasonably perceive their brief sojourn in this vale of tears.

    was-salaam.

    • Replies: @Talha
  107. Talha says:
    @AnonStarter

    That is how my teachers have also asked us to frame things – dar ul-balaa’ (abode of tribulations), dar ul-imtihan (abode of tests, like you said), etc.

    There are indeed tears and sometimes tears of joy when someone finds the road home from that vale…

    Wa salaam.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  108. @BengaliCanadianDude

    Do you even understand your own argument ? You said average IQ in Muslim countries is low due to malnutrition. If a country is the wealthiest in the world like Qatar, then there can be no malnutrition there. Yet its average IQ is as low as 78. Luxembourg with a lower GDP has an average IQ of 101. In both these countries there is no malnutrition, yet there is a 23 point difference in IQ. Whether their wealth is derived from oil or being a tax haven, makes no difference. There is no malnutrition.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
  109. @Talha

    Ah, yes … Reversion stories, ma sha Allah. May God hold them close to Him forever after. Ameen.

    Indeed, what is the life of this world but play and amusement, says God, and who’s to begrudge anyone play and amusement, right? The Prophet celebrated his ‘eids, enjoyed family time and was playful with his grandsons and other children.

    And having seen the Fire, he informed others that its vision would transform the world’s laughter to tears. To the deniers, there is only this life, and the Garden and the Fire are but metaphors for what we make of it. To the faithful, the Garden and the Fire cast but shadows in this world, their reality postponed, though for a much briefer time than we typically imagine. When the faithful pass, it’s their discharge from the world’s prison; when deniers go, they lose whatever paradise they made for themselves.

    So, certainly … There is reason for the faithful to rejoice, alhamdulillah, however hot the coal in hand.

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  110. Talha says:
    @AnonStarter

    however hot the coal in hand.

    Indeed.

    There was a relatively recent song from India by A.R. Rahman called Arziyaan (Desires/Hopes) which is just incredible in its spirituality and deep longing for the Divine. In the Indian Subcontinent it is common to hear people beseech Allah swt by calling him “Mawla” (Lord, Master, Guardian) and it is done in a way a helpless child, alone and fallen in dirt, beseeches its mother.

    Anyway, there is one original rendition, but I found a pretty well done one without any music as well (very talented person). Also the lyrics are included below so you can follow along; it’s really about a man lost and longing for his Creator, trying to erase his ego and finding joy in surrender and worship.

    Hope you enjoy (below the MORE tag).

    Wa salaam.

    [MORE]

    Arziyan saari main
    Chehre pe likh ke laya hoon
    All my pleas, yearnings I bring to you written large on my face
    Tum se kya mangu main
    Tum khud hi samajh lo
    What can I ask from You, You (who know every thing) surely understand/know better
    Ya Maula, maula, maula mere maula
    Oh Lord, my lord…
    Mere maula..maula…Maula maula maula mere maula,Maula maula maula mere maula,Maula maula maula maula,Maula maula maula maula,
    Dararen, dararen hain maathe pe Maula
    Creases and fissures line my forehead, (so many worries, but also the fate is writ on the forehead) Lord
    Murammath muqaddar ki kar do maula
    Repair my fate, O Lord
    Mere Maula
    Tere darr pe jhuka hoon, mita hoon, bana hoon
    At your doorstep do I bow, obliterate myself, and emerge again anew
    (I surrender to You, in this surrender does my past die, from this surrender do I emerge anew)

    Murammath muqaddar ki kar do maula
    Murammath muqaddar ki kar do maula
    Repair my fate, O Lord

    Jo bhi tere darr aaya, jhukne jo sar aaya
    Whoever came to Your door to bow their heads in surrender to You
    Mastiyan piye sabko jhoomta nazar aaya
    Was seen by everyone to be in a trance, dancing with happiness,
    Pyaas leke aaya tha, dariya woh bhar laya
    He came to You with a thirst, went back home (satiated) with a river
    Noor ki baarish mein bheegta sa tarr aaya
    Drenched in showers of light and joy, he transcended
    Noor ki baarish mein bheegta sa tarr aaya
    Maula maula maula mere maula,Maula maula maula mere maula,Maula maula maula maula,Maula maula maula maula,
    Dararen, dararen hain maathe pe Maula
    Murammath muqaddar ki kar do maula
    Repair my fate, O Lord
    Mere maula
    (jo bhi tere..) 2

    Ho….ek khushbu aati thi
    A fragrance emanated from somewhere
    Ek khusbhu aati thi
    Main bhatakta jaata tha
    I wandered lost in its search
    Reshmi si maya thi
    It was a beautiful epiphany of illusions
    Aur main takta jaata tha
    And I gaped in astonished wonder
    Jab teri gali aaya
    Sach tabhi nazar aaya
    It was only when I came upon Your path, that the truth dawned upon me
    Jab teri gali aaya
    Sach tabhi nazar aaya
    Mujhme hi woh khusbu thi
    Jisse tune milvaya
    It was within me that the fragrance resided, to which You had introduced me
    Maula maula maula mere maula,Maula maula maula mere maula,Maula maula maula maula,Maula maula maula maula,
    Dararen, dararen hain maathe pe Maula
    Murammath muqaddar ki kar do maula
    Repair my fate, O Lord
    Mere maula

    Toot ke bhikharna mujhko zaroor aata
    I certainly know how to break into pieces and scatter
    Parna ibadat wala shahur aata hai
    But I do not know how to pray to You in the correct manner
    Sajde mein rehne do, ab kahin na jaaunga
    Let me remain prostrate before You, I will not go anywhere now
    Sajde mein rehne do, ab kahin na jaaunga
    Ab jo tune thukraya toh savar na paaunga
    If You reject me now, I will not be able to recover
    Maula maula maula mere maula,Maula maula maula mere maula,Maula maula maula maula,Maula maula maula maula,
    Dararen, dararen hain maathe pe Maula
    Murammath muqaddar ki kar do maula
    Mere maula

    Sar uthake maine toh kitni khwaishen ki thi
    I had dared to desire so many things
    Kitne khwab dekhe the, kitni koshishen ki thi
    I dreamt innumerable dreams and made so many efforts and strivings
    Jab tu roobaroo aaya
    Jab tu roobaroo aaya, nazren na mila paaya
    But when I communed with you, I could not look in the eyes
    Sar jhukake ek pal…hooo
    Sar jhukake ek pal mein maine kya nahi paaya
    With my head bowed (in surrender to You) in that very moment what have I not found (I received everything and more…)
    Maula maula maula mere maula,Maula maula maula mere maula,Maula maula maula maula,Maula maula maula maula,
    Mere maula..mere maula….
    Mora piya ghar aaya, mora piya ghar aaya..
    My Beloved has finally returned home (I have finally come home to my Lord, to my essential nature… )

  111. mr meener says:
    @eah

    that rotten demon jew witch is right about republicans the most heavily armed people in world history being cowards and will be genocided without firing a shot

  112. Lo says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    I would take these numbers with a grain of salt. I don’t think there are actual measurements of country IQs, I do use these numbers occasionally but just to have fun. The key difference is education & familiarity levels when it comes to IQ scores. I did run these tests on people, some of whom I know to be smart ended up with low scores whereas others I’d consider not as smart ended with higher scores than the first group. The difference was sometimes really large, the differentiator was always education & familiarity. In your example, if there are biological factors, then Uzbeks must be smarter than Europeans as they are mostly Asiatic with some white mix. Similarly, a bunch of African countries is shown with sub 70 IQs, which really doesn’t make sense as it would mean they are all mentally retarded. I am fairly positive at this point, IQ scores below and around average could be improved 15-20 points with just training (provided individual is not mentally challenged). Test and exam familiarity is likely another cause for higher scores of NE Asians.

  113. Wally says:
    @eah

    said:
    “but the fact is, if you call a guy’s wife a whore, and he punches you and breaks your nose, even if you want to “press charges”, most DAs would tell you to piss off: you got what you deserved.”

    No they wouldn’t and you have no proof that “most DAs” even do that.

    And of course whole point of Lo and yourself is to side step the lies and horrors of Zionism which cannot withstand free speech.

  114. Talha says:
    @AnonStarter

    Beautifully stated.

    I wrote an article for our Muslim newspaper in college about Shaykh Said Nursi (ra). Brilliant and wise man, more Muslims would do well to be familiar with at least some of his writings and thoughts.

    Wa salaam.

    • Replies: @Lo
  115. @Franklin Ryckaert

    Yet you compared totally different ethnic groups and made it about religion. Even within the Arab world it is different. Different ethnic groups and their IQs is related to other things. For instance, Pakistan has a marginally higher IQ than India, and both are practically the same. Again, comparing different ethnic groups from different countries is not proving your point. It’s also a flawed mechanism, Equatorial Guinea has a GDP per capita of 27K, yet its a ramshackled run down shithole. .

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  116. @Franklin Ryckaert

    FRANKLIN

    If Muslim IQ’s are so low-and I worked in Muslim countries for more than 10 years-why are Dubai and Kuwait cleaner and safer and possessed of a more modern skyline than cities in America.

    I lived in Dubai for a decade and the infrastructure was far superior. Public transport was more efficient.

    Nowhere in Dubai is unsafe after dark. Nowhere. There is no robbery. No assault. No real drug problems. No common or garden thuggery. No huge imprisoned populations.

    Why don’t Dubai or Oman or Kuwait have the homeless crisis that America has.

    I never saw single homeless person in Dubai.

    So why then if Americans are so intelligent-and I am one-do we have these problems and Arab Gulf countries do not have them.

    Someone will say oil. But Texas has enormous reserves of oil and Houston and Dallas have some of the worst white trash poverty (TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE) and black ghettos on earth.

    Please explain.

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  117. @Talha

    TALHA

    You are Muslim who lives in the US. I am an American Christian who spent years of my life in Muslim countries-the most productive years of my career really. So let me ask you this.

    If Muslim IQ is so low, why is Dubai safer than any US city? Hands down this is a fact.

    I even knew US oil workers from cities like Houston who extended their contracts in Dubai in order to keep their children in local International schools in Dubai to keep their teen American children away from drugs and crime. One black oil worker in particular, from Houston, had sought a job in Dubai merely to get his children into a better school and safer neighborhood. He lived in Dubai for 16 years.

    Why is there less homelessness in Gulf Arab countries than America. I’ve lived in Dubai, Kuwait and visited Abu Dhabi and saw no homelessness. Yet in America homelessness is widespread. Even women are homeless in America. You would never see this in Dubai.

    I walked through Dubai at all hours and was always safe. Nobody is ever mugged in Dubai. I encountered danger in Phoenix fairly often and that was at normal hours. In American cities, there is a sort of de jure attitude that if you are out after dark as a normal 9-to-5 person, you deserve to be robbed or assaulted.

    I was never accosted by junkies in Dubai. Of course Muslim countries have drug abusers. But it was not like the US where tweakers or needle-freaks would aggressively follow you around panhandling. When I lived in Phoenix, tweakers would hassle you endlessly at bus stops and in public. Never happens in Dubai or Kuwait. Junkies exist there. But they are not on the street panhandling.

    Nowhere in Dubai was unsafe to walk. There were no “no-go” areas. When one park turned into a homosexual meeting place (Mostly for Filipino transvestite hookers and their clients) they were all arrested and deported. Including a few Western gays. Instantly. They were gone.

    Yet in America, many public places are no-go areas.

    There are no gangs in Dubai or Kuwait. None.

    Schools are safe in Dubai and other Arab Gulf countries. They are not flowing with drugs and gangs.

    If the IQ of Muslims is so low, why are the Arab Gulf cities nicer on every social indicator. Better infrastructure, better schools, safer streets, less drugs etc.?

    Just answer me that.

    I’m not interested in discussing theology-such a debate is unending-but merely seeking an answer to this question.

    If the US is such a high IQ country and Muslim countries are so low IQ than why are Arab Gulf countries safer, cleaner and boasting nicer infrastructures?

    Oil?

    Houston has oil. Its ghettos are some of the worst in the Western Hemisphere.

  118. Lo says:
    @Talha

    Shaykh Said Nursi (ra). Brilliant and wise man, more Muslims would do well to be familiar with at least some of his writings and thoughts

    I heard that he was just an ignorant pretender who convinced other ignorants to follow him and had crazy ideas like claiming radios were functioning thanks to the angels, and that he was put in a mental hospital for talking down on Sultan Abdulhamid like a madman by the order of the sultan himself.

    • Replies: @Talha
  119. @jeff stryker

    Big Oil money + imported technology + higher IQ elite making wise decisions for the low IQ population. The people simply follow orders, and since those orders are wise, the result is likewise. But left to its own devices, the low IQ population would create a far different society.

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  120. @BengaliCanadianDude

    Your argument was that the low IQ of Muslim countries should be ascribed to “malnutrition”. But if a Muslim country is not poor and thus is not suffering from malnutrition, why is their IQ still low? Thus I compared rich Saudi Arabia with poor Yemen, but both have an average IQ of 83. Then I compared Muslim countries with non-Muslim countries of similar wealth, the Muslim countries all have a lower IQ. Thus it is not dependent on wealth. What the real reason is, race or religion or both, is another question, but it is not “malnutrition” due to lack of wealth.

  121. Talha says:
    @Lo

    None of that showed up in any of the research I did, I’d love to be shown counter evidence from a reliable source. I do recall something having to do with him getting into trouble with the Ottomans by being related to a coup attempt by the secularists. He did later run afoul of the increasingly secular government and they locked him up by Lake Van. I wouldn’t be surprised if secularists framed it that way; him being insane. A lot of animosity could have simply been because he was an influential Kurd – it’s been a while so my recollection is hazy.

    Amazing man; he was a big fan of the writings of Shaykh Ahmad Sirhindi (ra) – where my spiritual lineage (and let’s face it, most Naqshbandi’s) comes from.

    Peace.

  122. @Talha

    Can Muslim scolars decide to abolish sharia with its barbaric punishments of stoning to death of adulterers and chopping off of hands of thieves, because they think it doesn’t fit anymore in our time? That would mean they “know better than Allah”, because that is what Allah supposedly has revealed in his Qur’an. They should also “know better than Muhammad”, because Muhammad practiced sharia all the time, and he was supposedly guided by Allah all the time. As far as I understand it, Islam cannot be reformed, due to its rigid absolutist claims. Bid’ah (“innovation”) is a sin in Islam.

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    , @Lo
    , @Saxon
  123. @Franklin Ryckaert

    FRANLIN

    BIG OIL MONEY

    Texas has much of this but Dallas and Houston and Tulsa have some of the highest-crime ghettos in America. I knew several oil workers in Dubai from Houston and Tulsa-mostly black but some white-who told me that the only reason they continued working for oil companies in Dubai was so that the companies would pay for their teenage children to attend English schools in Dubai instead of public schools in Houston or Tulsa which were full of drugs and gangs. So tell me, why does a Muslim country have safer schools than those of the United States to such a degree that Americans live in Dubai simply to send their children to better schools!

    IMPORTED TECHNOLOGY

    The US exports this technology to Dubai. Yet America has a lousy infrastructure and Arab Gulf cities have a futuristic state-of-the-art one. Trump himself said that there were potholes in the Detroit airport and compared it unfavorably to Dubai. Yet he can do nothing to change this? Why not?

    HIGHER IQ ELITE

    I presume that most of our elite in the US are high IQ. Why are they not making good decisions for the masses of lower IQ Americans? Is it racial (High IQ whites don’t care about low IQ whites or other races)? What is the reason why high IQ Americans cannot do this for low IQ Americans?

    America has millions more high IQ people than the Arab Gulf by dint of pure population. Why doesn’t US society benefit? America has holes in the runways of its airports like some cargo cult country. Our own PRESIDENT pointed this out. Why can nothing be done?

    I agree with everything you have stated but my question was WHY?

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  124. Talha says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    As far as I understand it, Islam cannot be reformed

    That’s the key problem, you think they are actually trying to reform Islam or, even more astounding, abolish the Shariah.

    Did you read the article? Second attempt.

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  125. @Talha

    TALHA

    When I read the posts from American commentators, any you live in ground zero of SoCal, I sometimes scratch my head.

    Are these Americans unaware that when they walk outside they are in greater danger than anybody in a Muslim country in the Arab Gulf?

    I wasn’t menaced in Dubai. I was menaced in the United States.

    They are worried about a religion in faraway countries when they have to move out of state like my brother to send their children to decent public schools?

    Many of these Americans live out in the sticks anyhow here but still they are living in towns and cities where citizens are all overdosing on Opoids on the sidewalks.

    Sharia law? It might be helpful to besieged whites in Phoenix or Los Angeles whose daughter is a meth-addicted prostitute or locked up in prison for possession of heroin.

    Americans are so screwed-except Muslims in America and Jews who seem to be doing well economically-and yet they obsess over clerical laws in Afghanistan. Dubai is not going to adopt Sharia law. Few Muslim countries will. Much less the US.

    I cannot get over the ignorance and unworldliness of Americans. I am one, too.

    They go on and on about how low IQ Muslims are when the President of the United States is complaining that he cannot repair the potholes in the Detroit airport runway and that Dubai’s infrastructure is first class.

    America never ceases to amaze me. The open naked poverty. The ignorance of a populace who cannot even get the table scraps miserly Emirate Arabs are willing to dole out to their own Bedouin.

    It astounds me.

    • Replies: @Talha
  126. @jeff stryker

    IQ is not the only factor in good government. Present day US is morally and culturally thoroughly corrupt and its elite consists of scoundrels. Besides, there is a substantial low IQ population in its Hispanics and Blacks, but it is “politically incorrect” to keep them in check. Only a regime change could save the US. Success of a society does not only depend on the average IQ of its population, it depends primarily on the regime that manages to use that IQ in the proper way. Think of Singapore before and after Lee Kuan Yew, or Germany before and after Hitler. The population remained the same, but the regime changed everything.

    • Replies: @Lo
  127. @Anonymous

    Many Muslims are whites these days. I’m whiter than you I’ll bet.

  128. @Franklin Ryckaert

    Can you give us an idea of these “blunders, contradictions and fallacies. ” because I have not actually seen any of these myself? The Quran is not the Bible which is indeed full of such things. On the contrary the Quran is consistent and doesn’t challenge any scientific principles.

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  129. KenH says:

    Funny how Muslims whine about supposed Islamophobia yet won’t return to their Islamophilic nations of origin. Not only that, but they keep coming to Western lands either for the welfare benefits (mainly in Europe), the material wealth and better life and/or because they’re long range goal is to Islamicize the West and win new lands for Islam.

    Some Muslim commenters seem to be trying to prove that the non-violent and religiously moderate Muslims constitute the silent supermajority of the umma and that Westerners really have nothing to fear by tolerating Muslim immigration and allowing even more. But that’s little consolation to white Britons who’ve seen up to 6000 of their daughters raped and turned into prostitutes by barbaric Paki Muslims. And the increasing number of no-go zones, sexual assaults and terrorist attacks that whites have suffered throughout the U.K. and Western Europe.

    It’s also hard to believe when America’s current two, non-American negro Muslim Congressman are strident anti-white bigots and haters of heritage America. Letting their families in decades ago as refugees is proving to be a very bad idea. So they’re 0-2 in America and with Sadiq Khan in London that makes them 0-3. No doubt there’s a few more Muslims in positions of authority in the U.K. and Europe who aren’t much better.

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  130. @Rabbitnexus

    Scientific Errors in the Quran – Wikiislam

    https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Scientific_Errors_in_the_Quran

    The infallible, “omniscient” Allah made numerous fallible statements that could be expected from an illiterate Arab of the 7th century who delivered the messages. Besides Muhammed’s ignorance, these messages also exposed his cunning, when he received “messages from Allah” just in time when he needed them to justify his behavior in terms of war, robbery, booty, sex and rape. If Islam had remained a small sect and never became a world religion, it would be much easier to characterize it as it really is : a bandit sect. Judaism started in the same way : as a bandit sect.

  131. Talha says:
    @KenH

    Some Muslim commenters seem to be trying to prove that the non-violent and religiously moderate Muslims constitute the silent supermajority of the umma

    Bingo!

    tolerating Muslim immigration and allowing even more.

    Wait – which Muslim commenter here has championed more immigration into the West from anywhere at all?

    But that’s little consolation to white Britons who’ve seen up to 6000 of their daughters raped and turned into prostitutes by barbaric Paki Muslims.

    Definitely does suck – these guys should be punished very harshly to make an example out of them.

    So they’re 0-2 in America

    Yup – time for a complete moratorium on Muslim involvement in national politics:
    https://muslimskeptic.com/2019/07/03/time-to-call-a-moratorium-on-muslim-political-involvement/

    Peace.

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  132. Lo says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    It isn’t as simple as you think it is. Stoning of adulterers applied is only for married adulterers, and then, it requires 4 witnesses. Which would mean that the said adulterers were basically doing it openly or they would have to confess. Hand cutting is reserved for thieves who steal to get rich, think of an accountant or banker who would steal from his clients, not for some kid who stole a bike because he is stupid and thought it would be fun. Islam can be reformed, it already was when different nations adopted it and then again when Saudis subjugated Arabia. However, it won’t be reformed. For the simple reason that the world has far too many stupid people with instant access to information that they cannot even comprehend, and the quality is Islamic scholars is absolutely rock bottom. I mean, I don’t believe in religions but whenever I hear these religious scholars, not just of Islam, but others as well, cannot help but wonder whether they even read their own holy books. Bid’ah is not a sin in Islam, it is a sin if it tries to change the core of religion.

  133. @Talha

    TALHA

    On growing balls.

    What if I, a Gora, hung around Karachi Madrasas or the houses of 12 year old school girls trying to lure them into a life of human trafficking and heroin addiction.

    I suspect a Gora who did that would not have the life expectancy of housefly.

    Why don’t these Britons grow some testicles?

    If some sleazy Gora who looked like, say, Donald Trump Junior with too much cologne and a lot of gold sex chains and slicked-hair came to YOUR HOUSE to try and court your 12 year old daughter what would you do to HIM? I suspect you would hurt him. When he got out of the hospital six or eight months later, he would not come back.

    Of course none of these white British girls have fathers. They are long forgotten and abandoned with single mothers and too poor to move out of these decaying Pakistani slums. Mum is working double-shifts and has no time. The girl is lonely, poor and seeking male attention. Dad is long gone and his only thought of her is when the government extracts his minimum child support payment every month.

    That is the real reason.

    We always see it with young sluts. Dad is gone. Mom is overworked. Some adult male with no morals who lives off women as a pimp zeroes in. He gives her attention, affection, then drugs. Soon she is vanished into the sex industry netherworld.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Ajeoshi
  134. Lo says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    I agree with Jeff. The point is not the IQ, does it matter if your country is crumbling, unsafe, and its people are dying of drugs that its average IQ is supposed to be 10 or however many points higher? You are getting enraged at goat farmers in Afghanistan while your house is burning is his point.

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  135. Talha says:
    @jeff stryker

    they obsess over clerical laws in Afghanistan.

    I don’t particularly care what they obsess about, but it would be nice if they actually knew what they were talking about and didn’t regurgitate stuff from Zionist websites. Not much to ask. There is plenty of very good info out there cranked out by highly knowledgeable non-Muslim scholars that are at very credible institutions of learning – it’s all in the public sphere.

    If you want excellent works on jihad, Prof. Rudolph Peters is an incredible resource and his books are often very concise and comprehensive:
    https://www.amazon.com/Rudolph-Peters/e/B001HD3R36/ref=dp_byline_cont_book_1

    Peace.

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  136. Talha says:
    @jeff stryker

    what would you do to HIM?

    All expense paid trip to the hospital via ambulance.

    Why don’t these Britons grow some testicles?

    I think maybe it’s time to bring back some serious punishment, maybe they ought to start putting up heads on pikes along London Bridge again for certain crimes:
    https://pastinthepresent.net/2012/09/01/heads-up-on-history-how-300-years-of-severed-bodies-tells-the-story-of-medieval-england/

    Peace.

  137. @Talha

    TALHA

    I’ve lived through eleven Ramadans. I only know the practical effects of it. My knowledge is empirical.

    Foreigners obviously don’t live in countries with Sharia law but Muslim laws don’t affect them much.

    They get with the program pretty fast.

  138. @neutral

    The usual nonsense “fire in the theatre” argument, now you are going to try argue why if I say your speech is stupid shit and should be shut down, it’s somehow different. It’s not, don’t even bother moron, you are just trying to enforce blasphemy laws on the sacrosanct victim classes.

    You are absolutely correct, @neutral, and a major step ahead of the author in that searching this article on Islamic oppression of free speech the first mention of “Islamic blasphemy laws” is your comment.

    Islamic blasphemy laws call for the death of anybody who says anything negative about Islam or muslims even if true – truth is no defense under Islam.

    Nothing makes more clear how incompatible and regressive Islam is as to Western values which elevate truth as supreme than this.

    The reason truth reigns supreme in the West is because God Incarnate Jesus is the truth.

    • Replies: @Talha
  139. @Ace

    Where is the “mainstream” objection to this stuff? Answer: nowhere because questioning the Koran has long since been establishes as blasphemy for which the penalty is death.

    TRUTH IS BLASPHEMY in Islam.

    You also are way ahead of auThor as said here:

    http://www.unz.com/article/free-speech-must-die-exploring-the-joint-jewish-muslim-love-of-censorship/#comment-3322162

    • Replies: @Ace
  140. @Lo

    LO

    That is exactly my point. Also, the high IQ group that dominates the US seems to want to make life as miserable for the middle and working class as possible. The ruling elite of the US seems to revel in the joy of the crumbling infrastructure, lack of public business investment by government, high crime, violence, squalor and everything else that other Americans endure.

    In other countries, the ruling elite is either indifferent or dedicated to the demographic majority. In the US, the ruling elite seem to want poorer citizens to suffer as much as they can legally get away with.

    Rich oil sheikhs in Dubai cannot stomach potholes in their airport runway.

    • Replies: @Ajeoshi
  141. Talha says:
    @Farrakhan.DDuke.AliceWalker.AllAgree

    Islamic blasphemy laws call for the death of anybody who says anything negative about Islam or muslims even if true – truth is no defense under Islam.

    This is incorrect.

    Blasphemy punishments are not meted out for mere academic criticism of Islamic doctrine – this is fine (as the late Grand Mufti of Pakistan, Muhammad Shafi’i [ra]) pointed out. That kind of criticism is fine. What is not fine is public mockery and derision of God and His Messengers (pbut). So for instance, maybe the West virtue-signals about allowing this kind of thing in their lands:

    We have no desire to brook the same. One can criticize or refute doctrine without delving into mockery. If we ever become populous enough to be in charge in Western countries, comedians will not be making fun of the Son of Mary (pbuh) in public – you can put that in writing. But maybe you guys have grown so used to it that it doesn’t disturb you anymore.

    Also, blasphemy punishments are disagreed upon among the schools; they can vary from anything like a fine, flogging, imprisonment, up to and including death.

    Peace.

  142. Ace says:
    @Farrakhan.DDuke.AliceWalker.AllAgree

    Thank you kindly. I once had a Pakistani Muslim as a college roommate. He was an affable, cultured man in the engineering school. And, lo, his Pakistani political favorite flavor was Jamaat al-Islam, the fundamentalist party. He has passed away but I am sure he would be as engaging and knowledgeable as before while he sends his money to JaI. Oh, I forgot, he said he wouldn’t have married his Pakistani wife if she’d worked even so much as 15 minutes outside the home. She had a master’s degree in chemistry IIRC.

    A mainstream kinda guy.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  143. @Ace

    /Where are these “mainstream Muslims” of whom you speak to counter such views?/

    Has it occurred to you that people going about their daily lives without creating a sensation don’t typically make the evening news?

    Search engines are amazing tools, should you care to use them:

    https://ing.org/global-condemnations-of-isis-isil/
    https://www.lansingislam.com/muslims-condemn-terrorist-attacks.html
    https://mcb.org.uk/resources/muslims-against-terrorism/

    /How much of a minority view he represents is the question/

    Not to Muslims, it isn’t. It’s only a “question” to those who have never really met or spoken with an actual Muslim in their entire life.

    /no-go areas/

    Debunked:

    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/sharia-law-muslim-no-go-zones/
    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/sweden-crime-no-go-zone-police/

    Television and YouTube clips aren’t going to provide anything but a demonstrably agenda-driven perspective of the world, let alone of Islam. No offense, but you don’t present yourself as particularly learned on the subject by relying upon such media as “proof” for your claims.

    /The video with the BBC interview of the young woman and young man is instructive./

    Not to anyone familiar with the reality of racism. You obviously don’t know too many non-white people.

    /which I understand to mean/

    And there’s your problem: you “understand to mean” something that is drawn entirely from your own imagination, devoid of any supporting evidence. Let’s see some reliance on tafsir, not conjecture.

    /“those who have disbelieved” .. technically .. are Muslims only insofar as they have not been offered an opportunity to abjure their apostasy and refused/

    Huh? What on God’s green earth are you talking about? The verse is not about apostates nor fighting other Muslims, nor is there even the slightest evidence to suggest that such is the case.

    /Your point that the command to fight “those who have disbelieved” (in the Quran.com version) only occurs after disbelievers who wage war on true Muslims seems terribly thin to me./

    Perhaps that’s because I never made such a point.

    First of all, it’s not “those who have disbelieved,” it’s “the deniers,” as in “those who know the truth, yet reject it.” Big difference.

    Second of all, it “seems terribly thin to you,” because you never bothered to research the historical context in which this ayat was sent down, one which I referenced in my previous reply to you. 8: 38 followed the Battle of Badr, while the hostility of the Quraysh toward Muslims remained fever-pitched.

    As for the oft-quoted, typically cherry-picked 9: 29, you would do well to read and learn something from an individual who actually knows how to understand The Qur’an:

    https://abuaminaelias.com/on-interpretation-of-verse-929-and-the-battle-of-tabuk/

    /verse 98:6/

    Try 2: 62, which reads

    Surely, those who keep faith, and those who are Jews, and Christians, and Sabaeans — whoever keeps faith with God and the Last Day and does right — surely their reward is with their Lord, and there no fear is upon them, nor do they grieve.

    98: 6 references the polar opposite, those who, conscious of truth, endeavor to conceal it, reaping the just deserts of their denial — an entirely unnecessary, self-inflicted punishment. There is no word for “infidel” in The Qur’an.

    /Where is the “mainstream” objection to this stuff?/

    In plain sight. Where you obviously refused to find it.

    Just a tip: Were I you, I wouldn’t hide up anyone’s sleeve, “Ace”. Wild jokers don’t get much traction here.

  144. Ajeoshi says:
    @jeff stryker

    I think you are way too optimistic in your portrait of the modern British family with your description of over-worked single moms. More likely than not we are dealing with a bunch of degenerate borderline psychotic aging skanks, mooching off the taxpayer since time immemorial and whose only beef with the whole sordid affair was that they were not invited to join in together with their daughters.

  145. Ajeoshi says:
    @jeff stryker

    Same in Europe, local elites absolutely loath and detest their own country middle class.

    I think this is somehow a (not so) unconscious way by a class of people, who deep in their minds still fancy themselves as feudal overlords, to get back at the unwashed masses of the West for, well, demanding a little too much soap in the last century or so.

    Motumbo and Mustafah are just a convenient tools to immiserate.

  146. @Ace

    Ah, so I stand corrected. You knew one Muslim.

    Bravo.

    Sounds like your roommate didn’t want to subject his wife to the trial and tribulations of a career which would be doubly compounded by the fact of her being a woman. You’d know more about this if you were a married man whose wife held down a full-time career while trying to keep house and raise children of her own.

    By chance, are you one of those egalitarian absolutists who imagine that men and women must be equal in every way, shape or form? And if men happen to care enough for their wives to relieve them of the burden of worldly life, would you call that male chauvinism?

    Something smells quite “liberal” about that.

    • Replies: @Talha
  147. Talha says:
    @AnonStarter

    Something smells quite “liberal” about that.

    I think Western “conservatives” or “traditionalists” have been so brow beaten into a corner by down-with-the-patriarchy liberalism that they think the same strategy will work against us.

    Something desperate about it seems inspired by “misery loves company” to me. You know; the memorials and statues of our conquering, slave-owning ancestors are being vandalized and threatened, we demand you do the same with the mausoleums of your conquering, slave-owning ancestors.

    To which our response should be; nah, you can take your’s down and keep all the virtue signaling points.

    I forget who said this, I believe it was a Muslim scholar I keep up with, that; most conservatives in the West are merely liberals on time delay.

    Wa salaam.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  148. @Talha

    /I think Western “conservatives” or “traditionalists” have been so brow beaten into a corner by down-with-the-patriarchy liberalism that they think the same strategy will work against us./

    I see.

    Would it be too offensive to their sensibilities to suggest that someone has absconded with their manhood?

    • Replies: @Talha
  149. Talha says:
    @AnonStarter

    Would it be too offensive to their sensibilities to suggest that someone has absconded with their manhood?

    Would they even notice between shouts of “Down with the patriarchy!”

    “…allowed to cover up…”

    Interesting, no? That kind of the thing would only be debated in a society in which men have no more ghayrah about their women and are fine that other men feel legally entitled to look at the exposed body parts of their wives and daughters – and then pat themselves on the back for being so progressive and open-minded.

    Wa salaam.

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  150. @Talha

    TALHA

    What business is it of others what a person wears or their beliefs? If you don’t urinate in the proverbial pool of society, nobody has a right to make those choices for others.

    For example, if you tell me I have to wear rubber underwear Speedos so everyone can see my nads instead of the swim trunks I prefer, I’ll tell you to go screw yourself.

    If women choose to be modest in public, why should men tell them they cannot be?

    One good thing about Muslim prostitutes is that whatever they are doing within four walls, on the street there is no public indecency. Whereas in the US, you have to put up with the sight of some 300 pound black crack whore or some meth addicted skinny white woman old enough to be your Mom aggressively parading the meat on the street. My appetite in the past has been ruined by this in Phoenix and Los Angeles.

    • Replies: @Talha
  151. Talha says:
    @jeff stryker

    For example, if you tell me I have to wear rubber underwear Speedos so everyone can see my nads instead of the swim trunks I prefer, I’ll tell you to go screw yourself.

    Exactly – forget religion – do they feel legally entitled to see your nads? Why?

    What if I want to wear a banana suit to the beach which is even more modest than a burkini:

    Am I supposed to take it off and not enjoy “banana time at the beach”?

    sight of some 300 pound black crack whore

    LOOOL! I’ll admit, I have seen crack whores in my time in SoCal – was even propositioned by one when I had to get off the freeway in some area I didn’t know of because I was running real low on gas – but never a 300 pounder.

    some meth addicted skinny white woman old enough to be your Mom aggressively parading the meat on the street

    There are some things you can’t unsee…

    Peace.

  152. CBTerry says:
    @onebornfree

    conatus did not say that, he was quoting Paul Gottfried.

    I suggest that you read Gottfried’s article. Gottfried does not concern himself with a mere “inclinication”. He concerns himself with the war that Eastern European jews have and are waging against gentile culture, and that they are against open discussion “because it would allow those whom they fear and/or loathe to be heard in open forums.”

  153. Anounder says:
    @neutral

    You’re talking to an Ottoman apologist.

  154. turtle says:
    @Wally

    anti-semitism: any thought, fact, or person that a Jew doesn’t like

    Which means, de facto, it is not derogatory, only a statement of fact.
    Some Jew, somewhere, did not like what I said?
    BFD, and WGASA.

    Life goes on…

  155. turtle says:
    @Wally

    “that shitty little [illegitimate] country”

    Long past time for it to be thrown against a wall and have its head bashed in..
    U.S. is the country to do that, if the will of the people be observed.
    Should have happened in 1967.
    Remember the U.S.S. Liberty?
    Not holding my breath.
    ZOG is the present reality.
    But, nothing lasts forever.
    Juck the fuze.

  156. mongo says:

    both of these “religions” have a fetish for young children.. so they band together to fight those who dont like pedos..its the righteous thing to do..satan wills it

  157. Saxon says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    Harsh punishment for that kind of antisocial behaviour is one of the few things it’s hard to disagree with them on.

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  158. @Saxon

    SAXON

    One thing about Dubai was that it was safe. A few of the Indians and Pakistanis were brawlers and many Filipino women were hookers, but there was not the civil disorder that petty street crime brings to UK or US where poor young losers sit around drinking cider or cheep beer until the whim takes them to start assault passing pedestrians. There are not the rampant “chimp outs” on public buses because certain groups of people are simply wired to have public outbursts because they don’t care hw society perceives them. There are not endless gangs.

    Try starting a drug-dealing street gang in Dubai and see how long you last. Like half a day.

    Much is made about harsh laws on public behavior but look at UK or US parks which are destroyed by gay men-George Michael, who enjoyed pulling his member out in public park restrooms and demanding other males suck it-called this nauseating activity “cottaging”. It does not go on in Dubai.

    In my own hometown in the US at dark in the park everyone had to rush to their cars at dusk like the peasants in Transylvania.

    Addicts are not squatting to defecate in public in Dubai like they do in San Francisco (Of course Dubai can afford to feed, clothe and house its poorest citizens and the US cannot).

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