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Here’s what I saw unfold in the media during the 24 hours from Monday to Tuesday afternoon (May 15-16).

On Monday, I saw blaring headlines throughout the day on Twitter about how Trump had betrayed some “highly-classified” intelligence secrets to Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov during their meeting last week. I was busy and paid little attention to this news, but I figured Trump must have committed one of his hallmark impetuous faux-pas involving some massive security breach, given the hysterical tone of the coverage.

I awoke Tuesday to read the stories in the New York Times (NYT), and the Washington Post (WaPo), sourced to anonymous “current and former government officials,” recounting that Trump had told the Russians a big secret—the NYT did not specify what, but WaPo identified it as an “Islamic State terrorist threat related to the use of laptop computers on aircraft.” As both papers acknowledge—though WaPo makes the irrelevant point that it would be illegal “for almost anyone in government”—Trump, as president, did nothing illegal in telling the Russians this, and, according to the NYT’s own sources, and to National Security advisor Lt. Gen. McMaster and Secretary of State Rex Tillerson—the only people cited who were actually in the room—Trump “discussed the contents of the intelligence, but not the sources and methods used to collect it.”

Per McMaster: “The president and the foreign minister reviewed common threats from terrorist organizations to include threats to aviation. At no time were any intelligence sources or methods discussed, and no military operations were disclosed that were not already known publicly.” Neither of the articles, and no one cited in them, disputed this. Per WaPo: “He did not reveal the specific intelligence-gathering method, but he described how the Islamic State was pursuing elements of a specific plot and how much harm such an attack could cause under varying circumstances.”

So far, I was seeing nothing to break a sweat over. Is there some problem with notifying Russia—or anyone else, for that matter—of an Islamic State threat to blow up civilian aircraft with laptop bombs? Is the idea that we’re supposed to sit back and let it happen? What sane person wouldn’t be glad this warning was given to Russia, and wouldn’t want Russia to give it to us if the circumstances were reversed? Is this not a routine exchange of threat information in a closed principals’ meeting?

Besides, was there really any great secret here? I had seen a number of reports in the last few weeks that the government was “likely to expand [the] airline laptop ban” and that “U.S. Intelligence and Law Enforcement Agencies believe ISIS” can now “effectively conceal explosives in laptops and other electronic devices.” I’m going to take a wild guess and conjecture that, if ISIS were planning something with laptops on airplanes, the group would have read the same reports and figured out that someone was on to them. So that cat was out of the bag before Trump said anything to Lavrov. And it was not Trump, but the media, who revealed knowledge of this plot publicly, before and after the Lavrov meeting!

No, the big “alarming” deal here wasn’t that Trump revealed the ISIS plot, but that knowledge of it was based on information provided by “a Middle Eastern ally that closely guards its own secrets,” and was shared “without the express permission of the ally who provided it.” Trump committed a “breach of espionage etiquette.”

There was no accusation that Trump said who that ally was, or even that “the intelligence came from a Middle Eastern ally or precisely how it was gathered.” So the only way, this Tuesday morning, we and the Russians knew that some “ally” was involved was because, not Donald Trump, but some anonymous “officials,” through the NYT and WaPo, revealed it to the whole wide world.

Only in the more “granular” detail in the coverage could I find the sinful “breach of etiquette” that Trump supposedly committed, the one and only specific thing Trump was accused of revealing that he shouldn’t have: “the city in Syria where the ally picked up the information about the plot.” Supposedly, by naming the city, Trump gave Russia an “important clue about the source of the information,” and raised “the fear” that, with the name of that city, Russia “could disrupt the ally’s espionage efforts” against ISIS. [my italics]

Another bunch of woulds, coulds, and fears that. After reading this, even I was flabbergasted at how thin this gruel was—and how desperately the media and politicians were trying to make a meal out of it. Republican Bob Corker was quoted about how “compromise[ing] a source is something you just don’t do,” and Democrat Mark Warner about how “inexcusable” it is to “risk sources and methods,” despite the fact that the reports themselves indicate Trump did neither of those things. If it was so terrible for Trump to name a city in Syria to the Russian Foreign Minister in a private meeting, how terrible was it for the media to publicly inform ISIS that they might be harboring a spy in a Syrian city?

In other words, this coverage is another stream of insinuations about what Trump kinda, sorta, but actually didn’t—but the articles themselves did—do.

As Marcy Wheeler aptly put it:

So multiple people learned of this event, and went out and leaked it (which is illegal to do for most anyone besides the President, the WaPo helpfully notes), not just with the WaPo’s two reporters, but with reporters from Buzzfeed, NYT, WSJ, and more. They leaked it to reporters who they presumably knew would then report it, alerting the frustrated ally that Trump had shared the information, which is a blow to that relationship, and also alerting the frustrated ally that they then proceeded to go leak it more.

And it’s all based on the blithe assumption that Trump telling Russia about dangers to civilian aircraft is worse than the American media itself informing ISIS about a spy in their midst.

It seemed obvious to me that its main purpose or these stories was to continue fomenting antagonism with Russia, and to perpetuate the notion, taken up enthusiastically and disturbingly by liberals, that the main problem with the omni-incompetent Donald Trump is that he is too friendly with Russia.

Combined with the other fear-mongering article about the North Korean missile test featured on the NYT, I thought media project for the day was to keep the war drums beating, and I was prompted to begin writing something about that.

Then I noticed (thanks to a tweet by Max Blunenthal) that Alan Dershowitz had called the Trump-betrayed-ally’s-secrets-to-Russia story “the most serious charge ever made against a sitting president.” It had been evident to me, in reading the coverage, that there was only one “Middle Eastern ally” (or ally of any region) which has the chutzpah to “warn” the United States “it would cut off access to…sensitive information”—while itself stealing, with impunity, America’s most closely-guarded secrets. As Newsweek reported in 2014: “Israel has been caught carrying out aggressive espionage operations against American targets for decades… They just don’t get arrested very often.” (Also see here, here, and here). There is only one ally about whose “compromise” Republicans and Democrats would be so unanimously concerned, and certainly only one who would have prompted the ridiculous charge by Dershowitz. And within an hour, the NYT confirmed, again via a “current and former American official,” that Israel was the ally in question, the source of the “secret intelligence.”

So now we have the American media explicitly revealing to Russia, ISIS, and the world, the supposedly key piece of information that Trump was being excoriated for even implying.

Now perhaps these “current and former American officials” who are leaking all this ultra-sensitive classified intelligence information are entirely neutral about, or even unsympathetic to, Israel; and perhaps they and the media outlets publicizing their leaks—a few hours after insisting that identifying the secret ally would harm it—put Israel’s name out because they are committed to letting the public know the truth, no matter whom it hurts. Or perhaps these officials and these media outlets are in fact supportive of Israel, and would only publicize information they know that Israel wants revealed (or at least has no objection to revealing). Everyone will have to decide, based on his/her understanding of American-Israeli political and media relations, which of those scenarios is more likely.

I think the latter. I also notice that, in the last week or so, there have been reports in the American and Israeli press that Netanyahu’s “honeymoon with Trump” has “ended abruptly,” that there have been “harsh exchanges” with Trump administration officials who told members of Netanyahu’s team, to their “utter shock,” that the Western Wall was “not your territory but rather part of the West Bank,” and that Netanyahu is now “wary” and increasingly mistrustful of Trump.

Now, to be clear: I do not think that Israel or Zionism has anything to fear from Donald Trump. I never thought that he was going to transform American foreign policy, to make it less interventionist or more focused on the concerns of Americans. But I also think Trump is an inconsistent and impetuous actor, capable of wild swings in policy that are perceived as dangerous even by those powerful interests who think they can keep him under control. I think that is becoming more obvious, and of greater concern to a larger swath of important players.

I suspect this betrayal-of-an-ally-to-Russia story, and the frantic news cycle it has generated, means that Israel is showing its concern. And that is bad news for Donald Trump. Israel is a very powerful player, with its hooks embedded throughout the Deep State apparatus. The frantic news cycle that followed—with another blaring headline a few hours later about how Trump asked Comey to stop the Flynn investigation, a spate of articles about how Trump is a criminal president who might have obstructed justice and betrayed his oath, and an announcement that the impeachment clock is running—means that big guns are blazing, and Trump is now in another realm of trouble.

Three days ago, I endorsed the point, made by Musa Al-Gharbi and others, that it would be virtually impossible for Trump to be impeached. I found Robert Parry’s scenario of a “soft coup” by sectors of the intelligence apparatus very unlikely. Given the make-up of Congress, it would only happen if the Republicans turned against him en masse, and they would only do that if his inconsistency and incompetence were seriously undermining their agenda (as those faults well might). But, since their legislative agenda is going to be so unpopular, they must be able to portray any impeachment as a bi-partisan project of national urgency.

Russiagate has been cultivated by the Democrats and their confected #Resistance to provide a rationale for Republicans to install a more stable and predictable Republican president who will color within the established partisan lines, and with whom the Democrats can more effectively plan wars and Grand-Bargain away Social Security and Medicare. But Russiagate has not yet gained enough traction with Republican congresscritters, who would face a revolt of their Trump voters against any acquiescence to an impeachment driven by Nancy Pelosi, vagina-hatted protestors, and Steven Colbert. If, however, impeachment becomes driven by concern for our betrayed Middle Eastern ally; if Dershowitz is right that “The demographics are clear. Republicans now support Israel much more strongly than Democrats”; and if Mike Pence, Ted Cruz, and the Congressional Israel Victory Caucus take the outstretched hands of concerned constitution- and FBI-loving liberals, then the prospects improve dramatically. (Though you know this to be true, don’t forget: It’s Russia that interferes too much in American politics.)

The Democratic Party and the #Resistance are not going to impeach Donald Trump. The Democratic and Republican Parties can and will if they want to. And, as they never cease proclaiming, what Israel wants, they want.

Fast and furiously, in the course of a single news cycle, the game has changed: Donald Trump has been accused of betraying Israel. Impeachment is possible.

Jim Kavanagh edits The Polemicist.

(Republished from Counterpunch by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Trump-Nakba?

    Will they attempt it?

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  2. Excellent article. Trump has already failed to deliver what he promised (even deportations are still just for criminals). Sending our troops into Syria and cutting domestic spending to boost military spending another 10% just spat on his supporters, but he might grow a backbone and try to change things once he realizes all American Generals are nuts.

    If they oust him, it will convince all Americans that a Deep State rules the nation. They would have ousted Sanders even quicker. It is also a message to all outsiders who think we are a democracy, don’t step into our ring, we don’t fight fair! Hear that Dwayne Johnson “the Rock” who has shown an interest in saving our nation. Bernie knew this all along, which is why he didn’t fight to win.

    It will be Pence vs Clinton in 2020! Choose your poison.

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    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
    In my opinion Deep State is playing a dangerous game.
    If those who voted for Trump see how is removed, by in fact a coup, they might answer with force.
    , @animalogic
    Clinton in 2020 ??
    I almost choked on my own vomit !
    Could the democrats be THAT stupid or THAT desperate !
    , @aceofspades
    I always assumed that the democrats would pick Cory Brooker or Kamala Harris as their candidate for 2020...but if Hillary runs again and wins in 2020....God help us. The beast will be back, and with a vengeance.
    , @MBlanc46
    Unfortunately, most Americans will not give a fig that the nation is governed by a deep state.
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  3. wayfarer says:

    Brother Nathanael, continues shining the light of truth into dark places.

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  4. Kiza says:

    We are making simple things look complex. The reason Nutty Yahoo is now “wary and mistrustful of Trump” is that Trump has not delivered Syria (Golan Heights + +) yet and is not even showing firm intention to. Please consider that if Hildabeast won the election the missiles manufactured by the US dual citizen companies such as Raytheon would be flying all over the place and weekly, not only a 60 missile salvo one-off. In a nutshell: the US taxpayer pays to the Jewish owned and run companies for the tools that help steal more land for Israel, because this is (so they tell us) in US interest. Simple but brilliant.

    Therefore, it is either deliver Syria or face impeachment, they are not going to wait till 2020 to start extracting Golan’s oil. Everything else is kicking sand and spewing fog into our faces – obfuscation.

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    • Replies: @jacques sheete

    Everything else is kicking sand and spewing fog into our faces – obfuscation.
     
    Yup. We're being played for the fools we have pretty much always been.

    Where do people get their faith?
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  5. To me it is all quite simple.
    Deep State lost their puppet Hillary, who should have continued Plan New American Century, subjugating the whole world militarily.
    EU the willing partner, plans for a EU army progress all the time, ‘step by step’ as was the strategy of Barroso.
    Merkron, a banking puppet, of course is anti nationalist, pro EU.
    NATO of course even more willing, what is the purpose of NATO without an enemy ?
    Trump is a business man, one does not make profits with wars.

    Of course Israel is worried, USA Russian cooperation might stop the destabilisation of ME and N Africa.
    And of course some order in Africa might stop the migration to Europe, thus the destabilisation of the European cultures might fail.
    This destabilisation is necessary to make the EU a USA clone.

    So there is just one thing to be done, remove Trump, one way or the other, and reinstate a Deep State puppet in the White House.

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  6. nsa says:

    TrumpCuck made his bed…… His cabinet is 50% jooie and 100% neocon zio…including the most vile GS swamp creatures imaginable. He installed his airhead barbie daughter and the execrable ortho jooie kushner as trusted senior advisers. And who can fathom the stupidity of selecting a very creepy radio talk show zogster as VP….providing plenty of incentive for one of the alphabet secret police agencies to go full Dealey Plaza. Now he is going overseas to visit with his real constituents…..the izzies and the even more vile saud head choppers……with a stopover to visit with the leader of the world’s largest pedophile cult.

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    • Replies: @DaveE
    Brilliantly put. If she has any redeeming moments, and that's all they are, momentary lapses of sanity, it's because she seems to be listening to her Goyishe brain, probably atrophied to less than 10% at this point. Lasts mere moments, however. She quickly resumes her normal, flighty, schitzo, emotion-driven egocentric, tyrannical, principles-devoid decision-making "process".

    Ivanka is even worse.

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  7. @Carlton Meyer
    Excellent article. Trump has already failed to deliver what he promised (even deportations are still just for criminals). Sending our troops into Syria and cutting domestic spending to boost military spending another 10% just spat on his supporters, but he might grow a backbone and try to change things once he realizes all American Generals are nuts.

    If they oust him, it will convince all Americans that a Deep State rules the nation. They would have ousted Sanders even quicker. It is also a message to all outsiders who think we are a democracy, don't step into our ring, we don't fight fair! Hear that Dwayne Johnson "the Rock" who has shown an interest in saving our nation. Bernie knew this all along, which is why he didn't fight to win.

    It will be Pence vs Clinton in 2020! Choose your poison.

    In my opinion Deep State is playing a dangerous game.
    If those who voted for Trump see how is removed, by in fact a coup, they might answer with force.

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  8. @Carlton Meyer
    Excellent article. Trump has already failed to deliver what he promised (even deportations are still just for criminals). Sending our troops into Syria and cutting domestic spending to boost military spending another 10% just spat on his supporters, but he might grow a backbone and try to change things once he realizes all American Generals are nuts.

    If they oust him, it will convince all Americans that a Deep State rules the nation. They would have ousted Sanders even quicker. It is also a message to all outsiders who think we are a democracy, don't step into our ring, we don't fight fair! Hear that Dwayne Johnson "the Rock" who has shown an interest in saving our nation. Bernie knew this all along, which is why he didn't fight to win.

    It will be Pence vs Clinton in 2020! Choose your poison.

    Clinton in 2020 ??
    I almost choked on my own vomit !
    Could the democrats be THAT stupid or THAT desperate !

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    • Replies: @aceofspades
    Hahaha, yes they can!
    , @Alden
    the demorats have Gavin Newsone nephew of Nancy Pelosi, lieutenant governor of California and the Mayor of San Francisco who happily presided over hundreds of illegal gay marriages.

    My bet is on another mulattoe, Kamela Harris another protege of the powerful San Francisco democrat machine. A protege of Willie Brown she rose quickly from law school, to district attorney to California attorney general and then Barbara Boxer's replacement in the US senate.

    And unlike Obama, she had real jobs as district attorney and attorney general before her election to the Senate was arranged by TPTB.

    I think it'll be a contest between those 2. But Newsom, being a cis normative White man will lose. Kamela has never married. Maybe she'll declare herself some sort of transgender gay to be the perfect demorat candidate.

    And all those socially conservative anti gay blacks, Hispanics and Asians? They will vote straight demorat as usual even if it is a mulattoe transgender gay.
    , @MBlanc46
    Clinton in 2020? The Dems are probably not that stupid, be she's probably that desperate and that delusional. It might be Trump's only chance for re-election.
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  9. Wally says:

    This is all just another desperate attempt by the left to rationalize, make excuses for why Hillary and the Left lost so badly. However, this loss of power is not new.

    2010 Dems lost the House
    2012 the Dems lost the Senate
    2016 Dems lost the White House

    The Democrats lost more than 1,000 seats at the federal and state level during Obama’s presidency, including 9 Senate seats, 62 House seats, 12 governorships, and a startling 958 state legislative seats.

    Guests Remind NBC, CNN: Obama Gave Classified Intel to Russia

    http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/kyle-drennen/2017/05/16/guests-remind-nbc-cnn-obama-gave-classified-intel-russia

    Feinstein: I Haven’t Seen Any Evidence of Collusion Between Trump Campaign and Russians

    http://www.breitbart.com/video/2017/05/18/feinstein-i-havent-seen-any-evidence-of-collusion-between-trump-campaign-and-russians/

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    • Replies: @Anon
    Gerrymandering is nothing if not effective.

    And Clinton won the 2016 popular vote.
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  10. El Dato says:

    Yes, throwing cruise missiles around to “do something” is not going to appease the slavering beasts circling the fireplace. Even if meedja declares that fine “Presidential Material” is finally apparent – for about a single “news” cycle.

    Speaking of which, the “photogenic children-killing gas attack” of Mr. Assad has been deep-sixed rather quickly, or I am just not reading the papers right?

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  11. Greg Bacon says: • Website

    Zionist Jews are the dominant player in the MSM, so naturally they’ll protect Israel before the USA.

    Israel is NOT our ally, it is our worst enemy, from being involved in the JFK murder, to the savage attack against the USS Liberty, to their knowledge of the 1983 Marine barracks in Lebanon, to their role in the 9/11 False Flag.

    https://wikispooks.com/wiki/9-11/Israel_did_it

    A US politician can not be subservient to Israel and expect to survive.

    Such is life in an occupied nation, like the USA.

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    • Replies: @Erebus

    ... from being involved in the JFK murder...
     
    Speaking of which, in a recent blog, Hornberger points out that...

    ... what Trump has been enduring from the national-security establishment, the mainstream press, and the American right-wing for his outreach to, or “collusion with,” Russia pales compared to what Kennedy had to endure for committing the heinous “crime” of reaching out to Russia and the rest of the Soviet Union...
     
    https://www.fff.org/2017/05/18/russian-obsession-goes-back-decades/

    Whether the current Russia meme "pales" beside its JFK predecessor or not, this campaign has clearly gone far adrift from any moorings it may have had in reality and its promoters seem to be utterly indifferent to the collateral damage their avalanche of lies are inflicting on the American body politic, and ultimately on their own privileged place in it.
    There's so little pretence left that even the halfwits at CNBC have taken notice: http://www.cnbc.com/2017/05/16/this-latest-trump-russia-leak-smells-like-a-coup-attempt-commentary.html
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  12. Is this not the time to bomb, bomb, bomb this shitty, little, pariah country in the Middle East for its egregious interference in US political affairs, and its gunning for Trump?

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  13. I wonder where a rumour I have just heard fits into all this. The rumour, relayed by àn intelligent 40 something Australian living in Washington DC is that Trump has long been beholden to Russia for finance ever since he dudded the US banks with his big bankruptcy.

    It seems to be based on the reasoning that the US banks gave up on him so, to get cheap finance for his real estate businesses he must have found a dodgy financier. How exactly it would work and just why some Kremlin friendly oligarchs would have stepped up to help before Trump became a serious contender for the Presidency is hard to see. Perhaps it was Trump’s willingness to do deals that helped rich Russians get money out of Russia that would provide a more plausible reason for a Russian connection.

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    Like a lot of rumours I call this one as absolute bullsh!t. I don't think that anyone can deny the fact that the US state apparatus and their media outlets such Washington Post or CNN are really working to remove him, if there any truth to this it would have been made public in their main headlines months ago. The most logical origin of this rumour is likely to come from the very same people trying to take him out.
    , @Kiza
    "...an intelligent 40 something Australian living in Washington DC" is not Jewish by any chance? Because there is plenty of information out in the public domain, even a documentary, that Trump is beholden to the US Jewish banks for the same reason that your friend describes. Did you think that "Australian" means knowledgeable? Or is your friend similar to those two young and crazy Australian bitches who, after coming back from doing dirty things in the failed Hilldabeast campaign, screamed on the Australian SBS TV (short for Sh** Bullsh** & Sh** TV) that Hilldabeast lost because all US people are misogynists? It was interesting to me to learn that DNC used foreigners to do illegal things during the US election because, when caught, they do not get arrested then sent straight on the first plane home. Why is your friend in DC, some similar dirty and illegal job for DNC? Perhaps he knocked off Seth Rich?

    Such blind worship of the greatest crooks on the planet is not credit to the company you keep, but then I did not expect anything different from you.

    , @Alden
    The foreign bank funds would more likely come from China. Supposedly China provided a lot of the money for Walmart. It worked out well as Walmart is the biggest purveyor of Chinese garbage.
    , @Stripes Duncan
    Money is digital. Ones and zeroes flying around the world from one computer to another. Do you really think ZOG can freeze assets anywhere in the world at any time but remains stymied in its attempts to find out Trump's finances?

    They're getting increasingly erratic and desperate in their attempts to unseat Trump because they have absolutely nada to hang on him. That's the benefit of electing a president who's been in the tabloids for 30+ years. There is no dirt left. It's all been dug up.

    Our surveillance state knows everything. We know it's read the mail of practically every European leader. We know it infiltrated every political party in the previous French election. It has cyber warfare tools that allow it to leave signatures that appear as footprints of foreign hackers. If they had something even remotely juicy they could hang on Trump, it would have outed by now. The only conspiracy is this never-ending attempted coup to unseat a fairly-elected president that the Ivy League inner circle refuses to accept.
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  14. @Kiza
    We are making simple things look complex. The reason Nutty Yahoo is now "wary and mistrustful of Trump" is that Trump has not delivered Syria (Golan Heights + +) yet and is not even showing firm intention to. Please consider that if Hildabeast won the election the missiles manufactured by the US dual citizen companies such as Raytheon would be flying all over the place and weekly, not only a 60 missile salvo one-off. In a nutshell: the US taxpayer pays to the Jewish owned and run companies for the tools that help steal more land for Israel, because this is (so they tell us) in US interest. Simple but brilliant.

    Therefore, it is either deliver Syria or face impeachment, they are not going to wait till 2020 to start extracting Golan's oil. Everything else is kicking sand and spewing fog into our faces - obfuscation.

    Everything else is kicking sand and spewing fog into our faces – obfuscation.

    Yup. We’re being played for the fools we have pretty much always been.

    Where do people get their faith?

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  15. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Wally
    This is all just another desperate attempt by the left to rationalize, make excuses for why Hillary and the Left lost so badly. However, this loss of power is not new.

    2010 Dems lost the House
    2012 the Dems lost the Senate
    2016 Dems lost the White House

    The Democrats lost more than 1,000 seats at the federal and state level during Obama’s presidency, including 9 Senate seats, 62 House seats, 12 governorships, and a startling 958 state legislative seats.

    Guests Remind NBC, CNN: Obama Gave Classified Intel to Russia
    http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/kyle-drennen/2017/05/16/guests-remind-nbc-cnn-obama-gave-classified-intel-russia

    Feinstein: I Haven’t Seen Any Evidence of Collusion Between Trump Campaign and Russians
    http://www.breitbart.com/video/2017/05/18/feinstein-i-havent-seen-any-evidence-of-collusion-between-trump-campaign-and-russians/

    Gerrymandering is nothing if not effective.

    And Clinton won the 2016 popular vote.

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    • Replies: @Wally
    IOW, you voted for Hillary. LOL, sore loser. Kvetch & whine.

    County election results
    https://i0.wp.com/metrocosm.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/election-2016-county-map.png

    And no she didn't.

    There's a good reason why the leftists wanted a recount in only three states, and they still crapped out on those. The tip of a very big iceberg:

    Pew Research (hardly a conservative outfit) and Old Dominion U have had studies since 2012 that show the percentage of illegals that vote is over 22%. CONSERVATIVE studies from numerous groups incuding Harvard claim there are at least 10 million to 15 million illegal immigrants reside in the US. ODU has consistently found 80% go to the DEM ticket meaning that conservatively, 1.8 million voted for Hillary. If you take TTV and VForg numbers - that means 2.4 million voted for Hillary - more than her winning margin.

    This doesn't even account for the other 1.8 million of dead people who are on the voter rolls or - as we saw in the Jill Stein recount - over 35% of the precincts in Detroit showed enormous vote fraud. In Las Vegas in one county 9200 REGISTERED VOTERS had mail returned for lack of correct address - yet 92% voted in the election.
    http://www.newsmaxtv.vegas/huuuge-nevada-voter-fraud-uncovered-worse-than-acorn/

    Evidence of Detroit Voter Fraud, Too Many Votes in 37% of Precincts
    http://www.breitbart.com/big-g...

    Michigan Recount Exposes Clinton Electoral Fraud: Half of Detroit Votes Show Signs of Tampering
    Votes in Hillary-heavy Detroit may have been counted up to 6 times
    https://www.lewrockwell.com/20...
    and:
    Independent voter integrity groups True the Vote and Vote Fraud.org who both ran voter rolls against results and both came to the conclusion that at least 3 million illegals voted in THIS election.

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/12/02/many-illegal-aliens-can-vote-immigration-officer/

    When the Election Integrity Project brought forth a report on documented voter fraud, the LA Times and other publications slamming Mr. Trump — you guessed it — (yawn) ignored the facts.
    http://www.breitbart.com/california/2017/01/27/voter-fraud/

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  16. neutral says:
    @Wizard of Oz
    I wonder where a rumour I have just heard fits into all this. The rumour, relayed by àn intelligent 40 something Australian living in Washington DC is that Trump has long been beholden to Russia for finance ever since he dudded the US banks with his big bankruptcy.

    It seems to be based on the reasoning that the US banks gave up on him so, to get cheap finance for his real estate businesses he must have found a dodgy financier. How exactly it would work and just why some Kremlin friendly oligarchs would have stepped up to help before Trump became a serious contender for the Presidency is hard to see. Perhaps it was Trump's willingness to do deals that helped rich Russians get money out of Russia that would provide a more plausible reason for a Russian connection.

    Like a lot of rumours I call this one as absolute bullsh!t. I don’t think that anyone can deny the fact that the US state apparatus and their media outlets such Washington Post or CNN are really working to remove him, if there any truth to this it would have been made public in their main headlines months ago. The most logical origin of this rumour is likely to come from the very same people trying to take him out.

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    Indeed, as I indicated, there are problems about connecting Russian money to finance Trump's business before he became politically important little more than two years ago. However you hsve drawn my attention to the likelihood that his enemies are investigating his finances in fine detail but haven't yet got enough on him that can be pulled together as a strong enough case with which to go public.
    , @Wizard of Oz
    See too #79
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  17. Kiza says:
    @Wizard of Oz
    I wonder where a rumour I have just heard fits into all this. The rumour, relayed by àn intelligent 40 something Australian living in Washington DC is that Trump has long been beholden to Russia for finance ever since he dudded the US banks with his big bankruptcy.

    It seems to be based on the reasoning that the US banks gave up on him so, to get cheap finance for his real estate businesses he must have found a dodgy financier. How exactly it would work and just why some Kremlin friendly oligarchs would have stepped up to help before Trump became a serious contender for the Presidency is hard to see. Perhaps it was Trump's willingness to do deals that helped rich Russians get money out of Russia that would provide a more plausible reason for a Russian connection.

    “…an intelligent 40 something Australian living in Washington DC” is not Jewish by any chance? Because there is plenty of information out in the public domain, even a documentary, that Trump is beholden to the US Jewish banks for the same reason that your friend describes. Did you think that “Australian” means knowledgeable? Or is your friend similar to those two young and crazy Australian bitches who, after coming back from doing dirty things in the failed Hilldabeast campaign, screamed on the Australian SBS TV (short for Sh** Bullsh** & Sh** TV) that Hilldabeast lost because all US people are misogynists? It was interesting to me to learn that DNC used foreigners to do illegal things during the US election because, when caught, they do not get arrested then sent straight on the first plane home. Why is your friend in DC, some similar dirty and illegal job for DNC? Perhaps he knocked off Seth Rich?

    Such blind worship of the greatest crooks on the planet is not credit to the company you keep, but then I did not expect anything different from you.

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    Why, when you clearly have ideas to push, do you open questions about your sanity with a wild rant totally unconnected to any fact or evidence?

    No the Australian, male, has a service business of some kind, had and has no connection to the Democratic Party, is not Jewish, did not say he believed the rumour, and is the sceptical most intelligent son of a formerly very high powered lawyer and important figure in the business world of old Anglo family.
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  18. Agent76 says:

    March 31, 2017 The Surveillance State Behind Russia-Gate

    Although many details are still hazy because of secrecy – and further befogged by politics – it appears House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes was informed last week about invasive electronic surveillance of senior U.S. government officials and, in turn, passed that information onto President Trump.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-surveillance-state-behind-russia-gate/5582211

    Jan 2, 2017 BOOM! CNN Caught Using Video Game Image In Fake Russian Hacking Story

    It looks like CNN Has tried to pull the wool over our eyes once again. This time, they used a screenshot from the Fallout 4 Video game to paint the picture of Russian Hacking. To bad that’s not what a real hacking screen looks like. And an image you will only find in the video game!

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  19. Agent76 says:

    May 7, 2017 It Wasn’t Russia, How Erdogan Bought Trump and His Neocon Gangsters, the Kosher Nostra

    Learn who Mike Flynn and Rudy Giuliani really work for and why they are stabbing America in the back while Trump smiles

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2017/05/07/it-wasnt-russia-how-erdogan-bought-trump-and-his-neocon-gangsters-the-kosher-nostra/

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  20. Z-man says:

    Good article and I posted something in this vein in Giraldi’s article on ‘Are They Out to Get Trump’ and here it is;

    …all the daggers aimed at Trump were removed because Israel is a ‘double dealer’ and supplies inteligence to the Russians as well. So there went that angle of ‘harming a foreign inteligence service’. Also, ‘The Zionist Entity’ has stollen so much of every thing from the USA, including sensitive military secrets and technology and then sold them to other nations including China, that the controlled media had to back off rapidly as not to expose the highest of the high, the most holy and revered of nations, our ‘dearest’ of friends, the ‘chosen’ State of Israel as the treacherous entity it is.

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  21. Erebus says:
    @Greg Bacon
    Zionist Jews are the dominant player in the MSM, so naturally they'll protect Israel before the USA.

    Israel is NOT our ally, it is our worst enemy, from being involved in the JFK murder, to the savage attack against the USS Liberty, to their knowledge of the 1983 Marine barracks in Lebanon, to their role in the 9/11 False Flag.

    https://wikispooks.com/wiki/9-11/Israel_did_it

    A US politician can not be subservient to Israel and expect to survive.

    Such is life in an occupied nation, like the USA.

    … from being involved in the JFK murder…

    Speaking of which, in a recent blog, Hornberger points out that…

    … what Trump has been enduring from the national-security establishment, the mainstream press, and the American right-wing for his outreach to, or “collusion with,” Russia pales compared to what Kennedy had to endure for committing the heinous “crime” of reaching out to Russia and the rest of the Soviet Union…

    https://www.fff.org/2017/05/18/russian-obsession-goes-back-decades/

    Whether the current Russia meme “pales” beside its JFK predecessor or not, this campaign has clearly gone far adrift from any moorings it may have had in reality and its promoters seem to be utterly indifferent to the collateral damage their avalanche of lies are inflicting on the American body politic, and ultimately on their own privileged place in it.
    There’s so little pretence left that even the halfwits at CNBC have taken notice: http://www.cnbc.com/2017/05/16/this-latest-trump-russia-leak-smells-like-a-coup-attempt-commentary.html

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    A very insightful post Erebus and thanks for the share.
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  22. This is what the Brazilians call ‘golpeachment’ — golpe de estado + impeachment. It’s what the Soros puppets did to Dilma Rousseff last year. Now they want the Trumpster gone too.

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    Shamus, comparing that political hack Rousseff to our great leader Trump is very weak!
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  23. @Kiza
    "...an intelligent 40 something Australian living in Washington DC" is not Jewish by any chance? Because there is plenty of information out in the public domain, even a documentary, that Trump is beholden to the US Jewish banks for the same reason that your friend describes. Did you think that "Australian" means knowledgeable? Or is your friend similar to those two young and crazy Australian bitches who, after coming back from doing dirty things in the failed Hilldabeast campaign, screamed on the Australian SBS TV (short for Sh** Bullsh** & Sh** TV) that Hilldabeast lost because all US people are misogynists? It was interesting to me to learn that DNC used foreigners to do illegal things during the US election because, when caught, they do not get arrested then sent straight on the first plane home. Why is your friend in DC, some similar dirty and illegal job for DNC? Perhaps he knocked off Seth Rich?

    Such blind worship of the greatest crooks on the planet is not credit to the company you keep, but then I did not expect anything different from you.

    Why, when you clearly have ideas to push, do you open questions about your sanity with a wild rant totally unconnected to any fact or evidence?

    No the Australian, male, has a service business of some kind, had and has no connection to the Democratic Party, is not Jewish, did not say he believed the rumour, and is the sceptical most intelligent son of a formerly very high powered lawyer and important figure in the business world of old Anglo family.

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    Why did you find the "rumour", which is almost identical to what is in the US MSM, crefible enough to repeat it here? All of a sudden some phantom huge Russian money is sloshing around DC, whilst the only Russian money proven to have been given so far is a couple of tens of thousands paid by RT to General Flynn for his speach at RT anniversary (even this after haggling). Your rumour is as if the Russians stole the Federal Reserve from the Jews and can now print US$ to bribe everyone and sundry. Are you in the business of spreading wild, unsubstantiated rumours and on whose behalf?
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  24. @neutral
    Like a lot of rumours I call this one as absolute bullsh!t. I don't think that anyone can deny the fact that the US state apparatus and their media outlets such Washington Post or CNN are really working to remove him, if there any truth to this it would have been made public in their main headlines months ago. The most logical origin of this rumour is likely to come from the very same people trying to take him out.

    Indeed, as I indicated, there are problems about connecting Russian money to finance Trump’s business before he became politically important little more than two years ago. However you hsve drawn my attention to the likelihood that his enemies are investigating his finances in fine detail but haven’t yet got enough on him that can be pulled together as a strong enough case with which to go public.

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  25. Alden says:

    Some liberal was on Fox this AM blathering away that Trump would get well deserved scoldings from both the Pope and Netanyahu

    Rep Darrel Issa of did an excellent job of defending Trump. He pointed out that because the accusations are to be investigated by a special prosecutor, the house and senate investigations have to stop.

    Tge good news is that Trumps approval ratings have not gone down a bit. And Trump and Republican fundraising has gone up. So it looks as though the Trump base is standing firm.

    Allegedly a middle eastern (presumably Israeli) spy deep in ISIS is in grave danger because of whatever Trump said to the Russian ambassador and foreign minister.

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  26. @animalogic
    Clinton in 2020 ??
    I almost choked on my own vomit !
    Could the democrats be THAT stupid or THAT desperate !

    Hahaha, yes they can!

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  27. @Carlton Meyer
    Excellent article. Trump has already failed to deliver what he promised (even deportations are still just for criminals). Sending our troops into Syria and cutting domestic spending to boost military spending another 10% just spat on his supporters, but he might grow a backbone and try to change things once he realizes all American Generals are nuts.

    If they oust him, it will convince all Americans that a Deep State rules the nation. They would have ousted Sanders even quicker. It is also a message to all outsiders who think we are a democracy, don't step into our ring, we don't fight fair! Hear that Dwayne Johnson "the Rock" who has shown an interest in saving our nation. Bernie knew this all along, which is why he didn't fight to win.

    It will be Pence vs Clinton in 2020! Choose your poison.

    I always assumed that the democrats would pick Cory Brooker or Kamala Harris as their candidate for 2020…but if Hillary runs again and wins in 2020….God help us. The beast will be back, and with a vengeance.

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  28. Z-man says:
    @Seamus Padraig
    This is what the Brazilians call 'golpeachment' -- golpe de estado + impeachment. It's what the Soros puppets did to Dilma Rousseff last year. Now they want the Trumpster gone too.

    Shamus, comparing that political hack Rousseff to our great leader Trump is very weak!

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  29. Alden says:
    @Wizard of Oz
    I wonder where a rumour I have just heard fits into all this. The rumour, relayed by àn intelligent 40 something Australian living in Washington DC is that Trump has long been beholden to Russia for finance ever since he dudded the US banks with his big bankruptcy.

    It seems to be based on the reasoning that the US banks gave up on him so, to get cheap finance for his real estate businesses he must have found a dodgy financier. How exactly it would work and just why some Kremlin friendly oligarchs would have stepped up to help before Trump became a serious contender for the Presidency is hard to see. Perhaps it was Trump's willingness to do deals that helped rich Russians get money out of Russia that would provide a more plausible reason for a Russian connection.

    The foreign bank funds would more likely come from China. Supposedly China provided a lot of the money for Walmart. It worked out well as Walmart is the biggest purveyor of Chinese garbage.

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    See #79
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  30. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Now today the source was Jordon. The story changes so frequently that it borders on insanity.

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  31. @Wizard of Oz
    I wonder where a rumour I have just heard fits into all this. The rumour, relayed by àn intelligent 40 something Australian living in Washington DC is that Trump has long been beholden to Russia for finance ever since he dudded the US banks with his big bankruptcy.

    It seems to be based on the reasoning that the US banks gave up on him so, to get cheap finance for his real estate businesses he must have found a dodgy financier. How exactly it would work and just why some Kremlin friendly oligarchs would have stepped up to help before Trump became a serious contender for the Presidency is hard to see. Perhaps it was Trump's willingness to do deals that helped rich Russians get money out of Russia that would provide a more plausible reason for a Russian connection.

    Money is digital. Ones and zeroes flying around the world from one computer to another. Do you really think ZOG can freeze assets anywhere in the world at any time but remains stymied in its attempts to find out Trump’s finances?

    They’re getting increasingly erratic and desperate in their attempts to unseat Trump because they have absolutely nada to hang on him. That’s the benefit of electing a president who’s been in the tabloids for 30+ years. There is no dirt left. It’s all been dug up.

    Our surveillance state knows everything. We know it’s read the mail of practically every European leader. We know it infiltrated every political party in the previous French election. It has cyber warfare tools that allow it to leave signatures that appear as footprints of foreign hackers. If they had something even remotely juicy they could hang on Trump, it would have outed by now. The only conspiracy is this never-ending attempted coup to unseat a fairly-elected president that the Ivy League inner circle refuses to accept.

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    Yes, you have added reasons for doubting the rumours though I don't think the absence of news about Russian money in the tabloids is anything like decisive. How would the tabloids find out. They haven't had the means to match or exceed the oeed of the FBI with Mafia people for example. If the kind of resources Edward Snowden blew the whistle on were being used to trawl now over 20+ years of Trump finances it might just be that the trawling hasn't yet been completed, including analysis. That leaves plenty of room for quite well informed rumours.
    , @Wizard of Oz
    See too #79
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  32. According to WaPo:

    There were six people from the U.S. side in the room during the Lavrov meeting: Trump, Tillerson, McMaster and deputy national security adviser Dina Powell, as well as two more junior aides who are subject-matter experts, according to a senior administration official.

    Someone had to leak the story. Assuming Lavrov, Kislyak, Trump, Tillerson, and McMaster didn’t do it, it’s one of the two junior aides, or Dina Powell, formerly a partner at Goldman Sachs and State official under Bush. The guy, Trump, he needs better HR vetting procedures, and until then he shouldn’t invite anyone to his meetings…

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    deputy national security adviser Dina Powell,

    ... formerly a partner at Goldman Sachs
     

    Goldman Sachs may be useful for some things, but how on earth does work experience as an investment banker qualify a person to serve as "deputy national security adviser"?

    Has Dina served in the military for a few years? Does Dina understand and read Russian and Chinese? Is Dina up-to-date on cutting-edge computer and software technology? ECM? ICBM technology? Could Dina explain the function of a nuclear reactor in 90 seconds?

    Or is "national security" to be understood as shorthand for "Goldman Sachs security"?

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  33. DaveE says:
    @nsa
    TrumpCuck made his bed...... His cabinet is 50% jooie and 100% neocon zio...including the most vile GS swamp creatures imaginable. He installed his airhead barbie daughter and the execrable ortho jooie kushner as trusted senior advisers. And who can fathom the stupidity of selecting a very creepy radio talk show zogster as VP....providing plenty of incentive for one of the alphabet secret police agencies to go full Dealey Plaza. Now he is going overseas to visit with his real constituents.....the izzies and the even more vile saud head choppers......with a stopover to visit with the leader of the world's largest pedophile cult.

    Brilliantly put. If she has any redeeming moments, and that’s all they are, momentary lapses of sanity, it’s because she seems to be listening to her Goyishe brain, probably atrophied to less than 10% at this point. Lasts mere moments, however. She quickly resumes her normal, flighty, schitzo, emotion-driven egocentric, tyrannical, principles-devoid decision-making “process”.

    Ivanka is even worse.

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  34. Wally says:
    @Anon
    Gerrymandering is nothing if not effective.

    And Clinton won the 2016 popular vote.

    IOW, you voted for Hillary. LOL, sore loser. Kvetch & whine.

    County election results
    And no she didn’t.

    There’s a good reason why the leftists wanted a recount in only three states, and they still crapped out on those. The tip of a very big iceberg:

    Pew Research (hardly a conservative outfit) and Old Dominion U have had studies since 2012 that show the percentage of illegals that vote is over 22%. CONSERVATIVE studies from numerous groups incuding Harvard claim there are at least 10 million to 15 million illegal immigrants reside in the US. ODU has consistently found 80% go to the DEM ticket meaning that conservatively, 1.8 million voted for Hillary. If you take TTV and VForg numbers – that means 2.4 million voted for Hillary – more than her winning margin.

    This doesn’t even account for the other 1.8 million of dead people who are on the voter rolls or – as we saw in the Jill Stein recount – over 35% of the precincts in Detroit showed enormous vote fraud. In Las Vegas in one county 9200 REGISTERED VOTERS had mail returned for lack of correct address – yet 92% voted in the election.

    http://www.newsmaxtv.vegas/huuuge-nevada-voter-fraud-uncovered-worse-than-acorn/

    Evidence of Detroit Voter Fraud, Too Many Votes in 37% of Precincts

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-g…

    Michigan Recount Exposes Clinton Electoral Fraud: Half of Detroit Votes Show Signs of Tampering
    Votes in Hillary-heavy Detroit may have been counted up to 6 times

    https://www.lewrockwell.com/20…

    and:
    Independent voter integrity groups True the Vote and Vote Fraud.org who both ran voter rolls against results and both came to the conclusion that at least 3 million illegals voted in THIS election.

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/12/02/many-illegal-aliens-can-vote-immigration-officer/

    When the Election Integrity Project brought forth a report on documented voter fraud, the LA Times and other publications slamming Mr. Trump — you guessed it — (yawn) ignored the facts.

    http://www.breitbart.com/california/2017/01/27/voter-fraud/

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    No, I didn't vote. I just read research from outside my right wing bubble.

    Trump has ordered a voting fraud investigation. If he stays in office and is able to have it conducted, you'll see what a fraud this is.

    He lost the popular vote. All the far right whining won't change that, nor will his ridiculous displaying of the electoral college map to whomever will pay him any attention.

    But I don't see him finishing out the year at this point.
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  35. Sean says:

    http://chicagotonight.wttw.com/2017/05/18/amid-turmoil-over-russia-probe-trump-prepares-first-trip-abroad

    Mearsheimer said. “The $64,000 question there is what he’ll do with the two-state solution. There were indications early on when Netanyahu came to the U.S. that he really was not committed to the two-state solution. Those comments were sacrilegious to the foreign policy establishment. The two-state solution is something virtually every president embraces.

    Trump is going on an official visit to Israel soon and the foreign policy establishment were horrified when Trump made the comments Professor Measheimer refers to above. I think Israel is not behind this at all, but rather Trump’s mistake was seized on to e two-state (anti Israel) lobby in the State Department), Israels sacrosanct status make s it ideal for being used by the anti Trump camp as . the offended party. The Israelis, will be horrified by the prospect of Trump being investigated for compromising their tidbit, being portrayed as supposedly great intelligence ( I very much doubt that Israel that has anything much in the way of sources on Islamic state in deepest Syria.

    The State Department are wedded to the two state solution and Trump has been leaving them out in the cold , and not giving them resources, so they have tried to take him down, That said, Trump needs to pay attention to what the established methods of diplomacy can give him , and let the State department work for him. He doesn’t have to follow the established two state policy , but he should use Us diplomatic expertise, whatever his own objectives might be. As those with some experience in these matters have noted, Trump’s schedule on this foreign trip is excessively exhausting. His people are new, and need to start listening.

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  36. Joe Hide says:

    Trump is in a very difficult position, as are his Allies. If he is to make positive changes in our country and the world, he must cut deals with very powerful, influential, viciously evil psychopaths. He can’t get everything we want in a short time period. There is a global war going on involving information, technology, consciousness, and military confrontations. World War II took 6 years to end. In the middle ages there were 30 and 100 year wars. Instead of finding opposition to Trump, maybe we should be planning on his successor in 4 to 8 years who will still be working for us and our descendents.

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    Trump is in a very difficult position, as are his Allies. If he is to make positive changes in our country and the world, he must cut deals with very powerful, influential, viciously evil psychopaths.
     
    Wrong, you don't "cut deals" with powerful, influential, viciously evil psychopaths , you fight them, the only question is, Is Trump is the person to do it? He was elected to drain the swamp so either he does or he doesn't.
    , @Anonymous
    "...viciously evil psychopaths"

    Who do you mean?

    History has shown that those viciously evil psychopaths are his own countrymen!!

    Or, do you mean cut deals with members of the so-called deep state.

    Either way, try and be more clear next time. Yeah?
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  37. Miro23 says:
    @Joe Hide
    Trump is in a very difficult position, as are his Allies. If he is to make positive changes in our country and the world, he must cut deals with very powerful, influential, viciously evil psychopaths. He can't get everything we want in a short time period. There is a global war going on involving information, technology, consciousness, and military confrontations. World War II took 6 years to end. In the middle ages there were 30 and 100 year wars. Instead of finding opposition to Trump, maybe we should be planning on his successor in 4 to 8 years who will still be working for us and our descendents.

    Trump is in a very difficult position, as are his Allies. If he is to make positive changes in our country and the world, he must cut deals with very powerful, influential, viciously evil psychopaths.

    Wrong, you don’t “cut deals” with powerful, influential, viciously evil psychopaths , you fight them, the only question is, Is Trump is the person to do it? He was elected to drain the swamp so either he does or he doesn’t.

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    I think Joe Hide may have been saying that he has to cut deals BUT some of those he will need to cut deals with are viciously evil psychopaths.

    Presumably your assertion that you don't cut deals with them but, instead, fight them is based on the practical judgment that the psychopaths can't be trusted. I don't assume that you are a moralist who wants the US to fight evil.

    While there is obvious cautionary shrewdness in that, I point out that, assuming you don't want to waste lives and money in unnecessary fighting, deals with psychopaths may hold if you are strong enough to frighten them. Also, time may be on your side if the psychopath is old and sick or otherwise likely to be replaced by someone less psychopathic. And then there is the real possibility that only parts of the deal really matter and you can get something which is better than fighting.
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  38. Instead of finding opposition to Trump, maybe we should be planning on his successor in 4 to 8 years who will still be working for us and our descendents.

    If “us” refers to us prols and peasants, I think we’ll be in for a longer wait than that. I doubt there ever was a government of, for and by the people of any size that lasted for more than a brief period.

    Besides, anyone doing any work does it for the real bosses, and I suspect that ain’t “us,” though I’d like to be proven wrong on that.

    Speaking of descendants, they have typically been viewed as resources to be tapped, not citizens to be served. Here’re some comments from the very first US Congress illustrating the point.

    I deny the power as well as the justice of the present generation charging debts, more especially irredeemable ones, upon posterity…
    P 337

    This day we had a large report from the Secretary of State transmitted to us from the House of Representatives respecting the fisheries of New England. The great object seems to be the making them a nursery for seamen, that we, like all the nations of the earth, may have a navy. We hear every day distant hints of such things as these ; in fact, it seems we must soon forego our republican innocence, and, like all other nations, set apart a portion of our citizens for the purpose of inflicting misery on our fellow- mortals. This practice is felony to posterity. The men so devoted are not only cut off, but a proportionate share of women remain unmatched. Had the sums expended in war been laid out in meliorating the kingdom of England, or any other modern Government, what delightful abodes might they have been made ; whereas war only leaves traces of desolation !

    p384

    -William Maclay, Journal of William Maclay, United States senator from Pennsylvania, 1789-1791

    https://archive.org/stream/maclayjournal00willrich/maclayjournal00willrich_djvu.txt

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    This should be our strategy for freedom from the Bankster nation. Help share the knowledge jacques sheete.

    Nov 25, 2016 Nullification in 3 Minutes

    Tom Woods literally wrote the book on Nullification. This video is a short clip of the keynote speech he gave at the TAC's 2011 nullification conference in Philadelphia.

    https://youtu.be/-Vr9lBH5EKw
    , @Alden
    Great statement, great research, thanks.
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  39. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Wally
    IOW, you voted for Hillary. LOL, sore loser. Kvetch & whine.

    County election results
    https://i0.wp.com/metrocosm.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/election-2016-county-map.png

    And no she didn't.

    There's a good reason why the leftists wanted a recount in only three states, and they still crapped out on those. The tip of a very big iceberg:

    Pew Research (hardly a conservative outfit) and Old Dominion U have had studies since 2012 that show the percentage of illegals that vote is over 22%. CONSERVATIVE studies from numerous groups incuding Harvard claim there are at least 10 million to 15 million illegal immigrants reside in the US. ODU has consistently found 80% go to the DEM ticket meaning that conservatively, 1.8 million voted for Hillary. If you take TTV and VForg numbers - that means 2.4 million voted for Hillary - more than her winning margin.

    This doesn't even account for the other 1.8 million of dead people who are on the voter rolls or - as we saw in the Jill Stein recount - over 35% of the precincts in Detroit showed enormous vote fraud. In Las Vegas in one county 9200 REGISTERED VOTERS had mail returned for lack of correct address - yet 92% voted in the election.
    http://www.newsmaxtv.vegas/huuuge-nevada-voter-fraud-uncovered-worse-than-acorn/

    Evidence of Detroit Voter Fraud, Too Many Votes in 37% of Precincts
    http://www.breitbart.com/big-g...

    Michigan Recount Exposes Clinton Electoral Fraud: Half of Detroit Votes Show Signs of Tampering
    Votes in Hillary-heavy Detroit may have been counted up to 6 times
    https://www.lewrockwell.com/20...
    and:
    Independent voter integrity groups True the Vote and Vote Fraud.org who both ran voter rolls against results and both came to the conclusion that at least 3 million illegals voted in THIS election.

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/12/02/many-illegal-aliens-can-vote-immigration-officer/

    When the Election Integrity Project brought forth a report on documented voter fraud, the LA Times and other publications slamming Mr. Trump — you guessed it — (yawn) ignored the facts.
    http://www.breitbart.com/california/2017/01/27/voter-fraud/

    No, I didn’t vote. I just read research from outside my right wing bubble.

    Trump has ordered a voting fraud investigation. If he stays in office and is able to have it conducted, you’ll see what a fraud this is.

    He lost the popular vote. All the far right whining won’t change that, nor will his ridiculous displaying of the electoral college map to whomever will pay him any attention.

    But I don’t see him finishing out the year at this point.

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    That's the ticket, just ignore the information that was spoon fed you.

    And yes, you did vote for Hillary.

    More on the Trump Whitehouse / Sean Spicer dust up:

    ADL offers 'holocaust awareness training' to The White House
    http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11084

    "America’s dangerously shallow understanding of the Holocaust" (Holocaust Enforcement in action)
    http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11118
    excerpt:

    Actually it's the other way round. Holocaust Belief thrives on Ignorance. E.g. in terms of the following:
    - Ignorance of the propaganda war and psychological warfare.
    - Ignorance of why people actually died in concentration camps. E.g. Typhus and other diseases.
    - Ignorance about the real economic situation in Germany as result of Allied warfare. During early 1945.
    - Ignorance about why Zyklon B was used in Delousing chambers.
    - Ignorance why crematoria were used to prevent further spreading of diseases.
    - Ignorance on how a hypothetical homicidal mass gassing with cremation procedure would work in practice.
    - Ignorance of what the real facilities and life in the camps was like.
    - Ignorance about the reason for deporting and interning Jews.
    - Ignorance about how "trials" against "war criminals" work(ed).
    - Lack of knowledge about the prosecution of Revisionists.
    - Ignorance on what Holocaust Revisionist actually say.
    - Ignorance on how academic Historians really work.
    - Ignorance on how many "Holocaust Survivors" cash in on their victim status.
     
    , @Stan
    Idiots incapable of understanding the significance of the electoral college in the American Republic have no business commenting on American politics.
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  40. mcohen says:

    Trump has been cutting deals and slicing sausage since arnonld was a terminator.only now he has a drongo bingo bongo job description……..el presidento.
    Money talks in the usa.so the real question is who benefits while trump does his song and dance.
    while everyone has eyes on trump who is banging the kitty behind the curtains.

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  41. @Stripes Duncan
    Money is digital. Ones and zeroes flying around the world from one computer to another. Do you really think ZOG can freeze assets anywhere in the world at any time but remains stymied in its attempts to find out Trump's finances?

    They're getting increasingly erratic and desperate in their attempts to unseat Trump because they have absolutely nada to hang on him. That's the benefit of electing a president who's been in the tabloids for 30+ years. There is no dirt left. It's all been dug up.

    Our surveillance state knows everything. We know it's read the mail of practically every European leader. We know it infiltrated every political party in the previous French election. It has cyber warfare tools that allow it to leave signatures that appear as footprints of foreign hackers. If they had something even remotely juicy they could hang on Trump, it would have outed by now. The only conspiracy is this never-ending attempted coup to unseat a fairly-elected president that the Ivy League inner circle refuses to accept.

    Yes, you have added reasons for doubting the rumours though I don’t think the absence of news about Russian money in the tabloids is anything like decisive. How would the tabloids find out. They haven’t had the means to match or exceed the oeed of the FBI with Mafia people for example. If the kind of resources Edward Snowden blew the whistle on were being used to trawl now over 20+ years of Trump finances it might just be that the trawling hasn’t yet been completed, including analysis. That leaves plenty of room for quite well informed rumours.

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    This meant as further reply to Stripes Duncan

    It occurs to me that the simplest answer to "where did Trump go for finance after the big bankruptcy?" is the simplest of all, namely that there wasn't a problem.

    There are any number of competing sources of finance for real estate in the US and the fact that he (i.e. via some of his corporate vehicles) had dudded some of them doesn't mean that the boys who gave us the GFC wouldn't have found him some pretty cheap money. Between generally available cheap money, cheap labor and the rising value of well chosen metropolitan real estate (and a big tax write off) you don't need much of an explanation for Trump's continuing prosperity without positing dodgy sources of finance. A key point is that the dudded banks (even assuming it was the banks that lost the money) would just be a bit more hardheaded in demanding security, and if that meant Trump businesses because they didn't have high investment grade rating or enough collateral, so what if the market is going in the right direction for you and producing returns of 10 or 15 per cent (as tribute to your genius of course if you are a Trump - though we should credit him as having a feel for NY real estate if not for quantum physics or foreign affairs)?

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  42. Kiza says:
    @Wizard of Oz
    Why, when you clearly have ideas to push, do you open questions about your sanity with a wild rant totally unconnected to any fact or evidence?

    No the Australian, male, has a service business of some kind, had and has no connection to the Democratic Party, is not Jewish, did not say he believed the rumour, and is the sceptical most intelligent son of a formerly very high powered lawyer and important figure in the business world of old Anglo family.

    Why did you find the “rumour”, which is almost identical to what is in the US MSM, crefible enough to repeat it here? All of a sudden some phantom huge Russian money is sloshing around DC, whilst the only Russian money proven to have been given so far is a couple of tens of thousands paid by RT to General Flynn for his speach at RT anniversary (even this after haggling). Your rumour is as if the Russians stole the Federal Reserve from the Jews and can now print US$ to bribe everyone and sundry. Are you in the business of spreading wild, unsubstantiated rumours and on whose behalf?

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    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    Get back on the meds. All your premises are nonsense.

    Try this. On an interesting and important topic of conversation in which you have minimal emotional investment, namely the weaknesses of Trump and how far powerful opponents can, will and/or are going to try and bring him down eventually, including preventing him being reelected, or asap, an intelligent quite well connected and dispassionate observer makes a remark about rumours ĺn DC which (contrary to what you allege, as evidenced by other commenters on this thread) is not common currency in the MSM and might add great weight to any move for impeachment agaibst whuch Trump would hope for Republican solidarity.

    It hasn't been mentioned by the author (and is obviously not "almost identical to what is in the US MSM" - but so incredible tbat I shouldn't mention it! - or maybe other commenters would have noticed) so I wonder if UR contributors or commenters might see how, if at all, such rumours fit into the total picture of Which Trump and his domestic opponents are at the centre. I wasn't wrong in my expectation because all but you have made intelligible defensible constructive comments.

    One other exception to join you on the Unhappy team...I see Stonehands has summoned up the intellectual strength to press the Troll button for something which clearly isn't trolling**and is clearly a response to feeling humiliated. He wrote of my being condescending on another thread, and I suppose I should plead guilty rather than attempt a lengthy justification of rubbing in the intellectual weaknesses of some over-confident commenters who should probably be seen and not heard.

    **Perhaps4 one could be said to be trolling if, in an apparently innocent way, one was putting up a case one didn't believe in just to prompt answers which made fools of those providing them. But, apart from you, the commentors who replied didn't make fools of themselves and didn't thereby support Stonehands pathetic bleat.
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  43. Svigor says:

    It’s a tsunami of fake news. 24/7 fake news bullshit from (((Big Media))) now. Media’s probably out sourcing this shit from bums in return for drinking money now.

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  44. Svigor says:

    Credible reports from anonymous gov’t sources say all of (((Big Media))) is working for Mossad.

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  45. Wally says: • Website
    @Anon
    No, I didn't vote. I just read research from outside my right wing bubble.

    Trump has ordered a voting fraud investigation. If he stays in office and is able to have it conducted, you'll see what a fraud this is.

    He lost the popular vote. All the far right whining won't change that, nor will his ridiculous displaying of the electoral college map to whomever will pay him any attention.

    But I don't see him finishing out the year at this point.

    That’s the ticket, just ignore the information that was spoon fed you.

    And yes, you did vote for Hillary.

    More on the Trump Whitehouse / Sean Spicer dust up:

    ADL offers ‘holocaust awareness training’ to The White House

    http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11084

    [MORE]

    “America’s dangerously shallow understanding of the Holocaust” (Holocaust Enforcement in action)

    http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11118

    excerpt:

    Actually it’s the other way round. Holocaust Belief thrives on Ignorance. E.g. in terms of the following:
    - Ignorance of the propaganda war and psychological warfare.
    - Ignorance of why people actually died in concentration camps. E.g. Typhus and other diseases.
    - Ignorance about the real economic situation in Germany as result of Allied warfare. During early 1945.
    - Ignorance about why Zyklon B was used in Delousing chambers.
    - Ignorance why crematoria were used to prevent further spreading of diseases.
    - Ignorance on how a hypothetical homicidal mass gassing with cremation procedure would work in practice.
    - Ignorance of what the real facilities and life in the camps was like.
    - Ignorance about the reason for deporting and interning Jews.
    - Ignorance about how “trials” against “war criminals” work(ed).
    - Lack of knowledge about the prosecution of Revisionists.
    - Ignorance on what Holocaust Revisionist actually say.
    - Ignorance on how academic Historians really work.
    - Ignorance on how many “Holocaust Survivors” cash in on their victim status.

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    How the hell would you know who I voted for? This is ridiculous. You're obviously just trolling.
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  46. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Wally
    That's the ticket, just ignore the information that was spoon fed you.

    And yes, you did vote for Hillary.

    More on the Trump Whitehouse / Sean Spicer dust up:

    ADL offers 'holocaust awareness training' to The White House
    http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11084

    "America’s dangerously shallow understanding of the Holocaust" (Holocaust Enforcement in action)
    http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11118
    excerpt:

    Actually it's the other way round. Holocaust Belief thrives on Ignorance. E.g. in terms of the following:
    - Ignorance of the propaganda war and psychological warfare.
    - Ignorance of why people actually died in concentration camps. E.g. Typhus and other diseases.
    - Ignorance about the real economic situation in Germany as result of Allied warfare. During early 1945.
    - Ignorance about why Zyklon B was used in Delousing chambers.
    - Ignorance why crematoria were used to prevent further spreading of diseases.
    - Ignorance on how a hypothetical homicidal mass gassing with cremation procedure would work in practice.
    - Ignorance of what the real facilities and life in the camps was like.
    - Ignorance about the reason for deporting and interning Jews.
    - Ignorance about how "trials" against "war criminals" work(ed).
    - Lack of knowledge about the prosecution of Revisionists.
    - Ignorance on what Holocaust Revisionist actually say.
    - Ignorance on how academic Historians really work.
    - Ignorance on how many "Holocaust Survivors" cash in on their victim status.
     

    How the hell would you know who I voted for? This is ridiculous. You’re obviously just trolling.

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    Projecting again, we see.

    And yes, you did vote for Hillary. You simply protest too much. You're fooling no one.

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  47. Trump is no coward like Nixon.

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  48. […] Indeed we haven’t seen such extensive wall-to-wall coverage against an American president since Watergate. As others have pointed out: the media and some U.S. politicians really are gunning for Trump. […]

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  49. Stan says:
    @Anon
    No, I didn't vote. I just read research from outside my right wing bubble.

    Trump has ordered a voting fraud investigation. If he stays in office and is able to have it conducted, you'll see what a fraud this is.

    He lost the popular vote. All the far right whining won't change that, nor will his ridiculous displaying of the electoral college map to whomever will pay him any attention.

    But I don't see him finishing out the year at this point.

    Idiots incapable of understanding the significance of the electoral college in the American Republic have no business commenting on American politics.

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  50. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Joe Hide
    Trump is in a very difficult position, as are his Allies. If he is to make positive changes in our country and the world, he must cut deals with very powerful, influential, viciously evil psychopaths. He can't get everything we want in a short time period. There is a global war going on involving information, technology, consciousness, and military confrontations. World War II took 6 years to end. In the middle ages there were 30 and 100 year wars. Instead of finding opposition to Trump, maybe we should be planning on his successor in 4 to 8 years who will still be working for us and our descendents.

    “…viciously evil psychopaths”

    Who do you mean?

    History has shown that those viciously evil psychopaths are his own countrymen!!

    Or, do you mean cut deals with members of the so-called deep state.

    Either way, try and be more clear next time. Yeah?

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  51. @Miro23

    Trump is in a very difficult position, as are his Allies. If he is to make positive changes in our country and the world, he must cut deals with very powerful, influential, viciously evil psychopaths.
     
    Wrong, you don't "cut deals" with powerful, influential, viciously evil psychopaths , you fight them, the only question is, Is Trump is the person to do it? He was elected to drain the swamp so either he does or he doesn't.

    I think Joe Hide may have been saying that he has to cut deals BUT some of those he will need to cut deals with are viciously evil psychopaths.

    Presumably your assertion that you don’t cut deals with them but, instead, fight them is based on the practical judgment that the psychopaths can’t be trusted. I don’t assume that you are a moralist who wants the US to fight evil.

    While there is obvious cautionary shrewdness in that, I point out that, assuming you don’t want to waste lives and money in unnecessary fighting, deals with psychopaths may hold if you are strong enough to frighten them. Also, time may be on your side if the psychopath is old and sick or otherwise likely to be replaced by someone less psychopathic. And then there is the real possibility that only parts of the deal really matter and you can get something which is better than fighting.

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  52. @Kiza
    Why did you find the "rumour", which is almost identical to what is in the US MSM, crefible enough to repeat it here? All of a sudden some phantom huge Russian money is sloshing around DC, whilst the only Russian money proven to have been given so far is a couple of tens of thousands paid by RT to General Flynn for his speach at RT anniversary (even this after haggling). Your rumour is as if the Russians stole the Federal Reserve from the Jews and can now print US$ to bribe everyone and sundry. Are you in the business of spreading wild, unsubstantiated rumours and on whose behalf?

    Get back on the meds. All your premises are nonsense.

    Try this. On an interesting and important topic of conversation in which you have minimal emotional investment, namely the weaknesses of Trump and how far powerful opponents can, will and/or are going to try and bring him down eventually, including preventing him being reelected, or asap, an intelligent quite well connected and dispassionate observer makes a remark about rumours ĺn DC which (contrary to what you allege, as evidenced by other commenters on this thread) is not common currency in the MSM and might add great weight to any move for impeachment agaibst whuch Trump would hope for Republican solidarity.

    It hasn’t been mentioned by the author (and is obviously not “almost identical to what is in the US MSM” – but so incredible tbat I shouldn’t mention it! – or maybe other commenters would have noticed) so I wonder if UR contributors or commenters might see how, if at all, such rumours fit into the total picture of Which Trump and his domestic opponents are at the centre. I wasn’t wrong in my expectation because all but you have made intelligible defensible constructive comments.

    One other exception to join you on the Unhappy team…I see Stonehands has summoned up the intellectual strength to press the Troll button for something which clearly isn’t trolling**and is clearly a response to feeling humiliated. He wrote of my being condescending on another thread, and I suppose I should plead guilty rather than attempt a lengthy justification of rubbing in the intellectual weaknesses of some over-confident commenters who should probably be seen and not heard.

    **Perhaps4 one could be said to be trolling if, in an apparently innocent way, one was putting up a case one didn’t believe in just to prompt answers which made fools of those providing them. But, apart from you, the commentors who replied didn’t make fools of themselves and didn’t thereby support Stonehands pathetic bleat.

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    You're a cunt, if you want to address me don't hide it in a comment to someone else.
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  53. Simple question – without a simple answer I’m sure – what could line up enough elected Republicans to join with Democrats in impeaching Trump?

    Set aside the possibility of an overwhelming and unanswerable case that Trump has been guilty of fraud on a grand scale or shown himself willing to sell out his country, what would get Republicans to join the attack?

    There must be quite a lot of “let’s reclaim the Party from Trump” elected Republicans but how many? And how will the balance of those numbers change in November 2018?

    What about timing? For Republicans presumably early 2019 would be the best time for Trump to fall but how would they manage the timing and what counter tactics would the Trump team come up with? Might there still be Trump supporters who could be rallied for the half term elections by a cry to resist the impeaching elitist establishment?

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  54. Agent76 says:
    @jacques sheete

    Instead of finding opposition to Trump, maybe we should be planning on his successor in 4 to 8 years who will still be working for us and our descendents.
     
    If "us" refers to us prols and peasants, I think we'll be in for a longer wait than that. I doubt there ever was a government of, for and by the people of any size that lasted for more than a brief period.

    Besides, anyone doing any work does it for the real bosses, and I suspect that ain't "us," though I'd like to be proven wrong on that.

    Speaking of descendants, they have typically been viewed as resources to be tapped, not citizens to be served. Here're some comments from the very first US Congress illustrating the point.

    I deny the power as well as the justice of the present generation charging debts, more especially irredeemable ones, upon posterity…
    P 337


    This day we had a large report from the Secretary of State transmitted to us from the House of Representatives respecting the fisheries of New England. The great object seems to be the making them a nursery for seamen, that we, like all the nations of the earth, may have a navy. We hear every day distant hints of such things as these ; in fact, it seems we must soon forego our republican innocence, and, like all other nations, set apart a portion of our citizens for the purpose of inflicting misery on our fellow- mortals. This practice is felony to posterity. The men so devoted are not only cut off, but a proportionate share of women remain unmatched. Had the sums expended in war been laid out in meliorating the kingdom of England, or any other modern Government, what delightful abodes might they have been made ; whereas war only leaves traces of desolation !

    p384

    -William Maclay, Journal of William Maclay, United States senator from Pennsylvania, 1789-1791
    https://archive.org/stream/maclayjournal00willrich/maclayjournal00willrich_djvu.txt

     

    This should be our strategy for freedom from the Bankster nation. Help share the knowledge jacques sheete.

    Nov 25, 2016 Nullification in 3 Minutes

    Tom Woods literally wrote the book on Nullification. This video is a short clip of the keynote speech he gave at the TAC’s 2011 nullification conference in Philadelphia.

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  55. Alden says:
    @jacques sheete

    Instead of finding opposition to Trump, maybe we should be planning on his successor in 4 to 8 years who will still be working for us and our descendents.
     
    If "us" refers to us prols and peasants, I think we'll be in for a longer wait than that. I doubt there ever was a government of, for and by the people of any size that lasted for more than a brief period.

    Besides, anyone doing any work does it for the real bosses, and I suspect that ain't "us," though I'd like to be proven wrong on that.

    Speaking of descendants, they have typically been viewed as resources to be tapped, not citizens to be served. Here're some comments from the very first US Congress illustrating the point.

    I deny the power as well as the justice of the present generation charging debts, more especially irredeemable ones, upon posterity…
    P 337


    This day we had a large report from the Secretary of State transmitted to us from the House of Representatives respecting the fisheries of New England. The great object seems to be the making them a nursery for seamen, that we, like all the nations of the earth, may have a navy. We hear every day distant hints of such things as these ; in fact, it seems we must soon forego our republican innocence, and, like all other nations, set apart a portion of our citizens for the purpose of inflicting misery on our fellow- mortals. This practice is felony to posterity. The men so devoted are not only cut off, but a proportionate share of women remain unmatched. Had the sums expended in war been laid out in meliorating the kingdom of England, or any other modern Government, what delightful abodes might they have been made ; whereas war only leaves traces of desolation !

    p384

    -William Maclay, Journal of William Maclay, United States senator from Pennsylvania, 1789-1791
    https://archive.org/stream/maclayjournal00willrich/maclayjournal00willrich_djvu.txt

     

    Great statement, great research, thanks.

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  56. Sim says:

    This was a great article Jim, good job and keep up the good work buddy!

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    Thanks, Sim.
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  57. Agent76 says:
    @Erebus

    ... from being involved in the JFK murder...
     
    Speaking of which, in a recent blog, Hornberger points out that...

    ... what Trump has been enduring from the national-security establishment, the mainstream press, and the American right-wing for his outreach to, or “collusion with,” Russia pales compared to what Kennedy had to endure for committing the heinous “crime” of reaching out to Russia and the rest of the Soviet Union...
     
    https://www.fff.org/2017/05/18/russian-obsession-goes-back-decades/

    Whether the current Russia meme "pales" beside its JFK predecessor or not, this campaign has clearly gone far adrift from any moorings it may have had in reality and its promoters seem to be utterly indifferent to the collateral damage their avalanche of lies are inflicting on the American body politic, and ultimately on their own privileged place in it.
    There's so little pretence left that even the halfwits at CNBC have taken notice: http://www.cnbc.com/2017/05/16/this-latest-trump-russia-leak-smells-like-a-coup-attempt-commentary.html

    A very insightful post Erebus and thanks for the share.

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  58. Svigor says:

    He lost the popular vote. All the far right whining won’t change that, nor will his ridiculous displaying of the electoral college map to whomever will pay him any attention.

    That’s like losing…well, I’m having trouble coming up with an analogy that encapsulates the sweaty Democrat desperation. The electoral college represents every citizen in America; those who don’t vote choose to throw their effective vote in with the decision of those who do. That’s how the electoral college works, but I don’t expect people stupid enough to vote Democrat to grasp this.

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  59. Svigor says:

    Idiots incapable of understanding the significance of the electoral college in the American Republic have no business commenting on American politics.

    Indeed, though it’s often deliberate obtuseness, as is so often the case with leftists. How hard is it to understand that the electoral college represents the will of the entire majority-age citizenry of the United States, while those who go out and vote are a much smaller share of that citizenry? Democrats make a lot of noise about how much they love about democracy, but they seem to hate it in practice; the electoral college is effectively mandatory voting, except not voting means you vote with the majority.

    The people have spoken, and they chose Trump over Clinton, resoundingly.

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    How hard is it to understand that the electoral college represents the will of the entire majority-age citizenry of the United States
     
    Let's say we had a popular vote system. Couldn't you equally say that the popular vote represents even those who don't vote, who in effect voted for the victor?

    I think what you're saying is that the electoral college compensates for inequalities in voter participation between states. But I don't see why that's desirable.
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  60. Svigor says:

    Actually, slight correction, since the EC is tallied by census, even those who are not eligible to vote are effectively included in the process.

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    I share this with folk's and this will help them understand what most do not.

    "If voting made any difference they wouldn't let us do it." Mark Twain

    Aug 19, 2016 Electoral College and the National Archives

    Every four years the Office of the Federal Register — part of the National Archives and Records Administration — administers the Electoral College. The Office of the Federal Register informs the governments of the 50 states and the District of Columbia what is required to fulfill their duty under the Constitution to elect the President and Vice President of the United States. This video explains how the Electoral College works and the Office of the Federal Register's role in collecting the documentation Congress needs to count the Electoral College.

    https://youtu.be/caRt0eHA0Pk
    , @Alden
    But lots of legal and illegal immigrants don't fill out the census forms. For instance, Chinese generally don't fill
    Out the forms until the 3rd or 4th generation.

    You are tight that the states with high immigration have advantages in the electoral college as some immigrants do fill out the forms. I know the Hispanic activists and democrats make big efforts to have Hispanic legal and illegal immigrants fill out the census forms. There is a lot of weeping and wailing and caterwauling that the illegals are fearful of enrolling in the census.
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  61. Agent76 says:
    @Svigor
    Actually, slight correction, since the EC is tallied by census, even those who are not eligible to vote are effectively included in the process.

    I share this with folk’s and this will help them understand what most do not.

    “If voting made any difference they wouldn’t let us do it.” Mark Twain

    Aug 19, 2016 Electoral College and the National Archives

    Every four years the Office of the Federal Register — part of the National Archives and Records Administration — administers the Electoral College. The Office of the Federal Register informs the governments of the 50 states and the District of Columbia what is required to fulfill their duty under the Constitution to elect the President and Vice President of the United States. This video explains how the Electoral College works and the Office of the Federal Register’s role in collecting the documentation Congress needs to count the Electoral College.

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  62. Alden says:
    @Svigor
    Actually, slight correction, since the EC is tallied by census, even those who are not eligible to vote are effectively included in the process.

    But lots of legal and illegal immigrants don’t fill out the census forms. For instance, Chinese generally don’t fill
    Out the forms until the 3rd or 4th generation.

    You are tight that the states with high immigration have advantages in the electoral college as some immigrants do fill out the forms. I know the Hispanic activists and democrats make big efforts to have Hispanic legal and illegal immigrants fill out the census forms. There is a lot of weeping and wailing and caterwauling that the illegals are fearful of enrolling in the census.

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  63. Alden says:
    @animalogic
    Clinton in 2020 ??
    I almost choked on my own vomit !
    Could the democrats be THAT stupid or THAT desperate !

    the demorats have Gavin Newsone nephew of Nancy Pelosi, lieutenant governor of California and the Mayor of San Francisco who happily presided over hundreds of illegal gay marriages.

    My bet is on another mulattoe, Kamela Harris another protege of the powerful San Francisco democrat machine. A protege of Willie Brown she rose quickly from law school, to district attorney to California attorney general and then Barbara Boxer’s replacement in the US senate.

    And unlike Obama, she had real jobs as district attorney and attorney general before her election to the Senate was arranged by TPTB.

    I think it’ll be a contest between those 2. But Newsom, being a cis normative White man will lose. Kamela has never married. Maybe she’ll declare herself some sort of transgender gay to be the perfect demorat candidate.

    And all those socially conservative anti gay blacks, Hispanics and Asians? They will vote straight demorat as usual even if it is a mulattoe transgender gay.

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    " Unlike O she had real jobs as district attorney and attorney general"

    These are in no stretch of the imagination " Real jobs", rather they are BS artist jobs in which someone makes six figures for talking shit all day, and then they, such as doctors, make decisions which half of the time are faulty and cause others great malaise and grief.

    This all can be traced back to the German influence upon American society : Germans worship authority, they worship : Judges, attorneys, clergy, politicians, journalists, doctors, teachers, professors, etc. In other words they, the Germans worship all of the BS artists of society, and this is also the situation in the US : The stratus of society which causes the most harm, the most damage recieves the most veneration, the most adulation.

    In Italy, a country far saner than Germany, They greet each other with such expressions as :

    " Bon Giorno Professore" (good day professor) or " Bon Giorno Dottore", even if one does not hold such a title, and this would be unthinkable in Germany, and frowned upon as a "Desecration" of these hallowed titles.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" society member since 1973, airborne qualified US Army vet and pro jazz artist.
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  64. @Svigor

    Idiots incapable of understanding the significance of the electoral college in the American Republic have no business commenting on American politics.
     
    Indeed, though it's often deliberate obtuseness, as is so often the case with leftists. How hard is it to understand that the electoral college represents the will of the entire majority-age citizenry of the United States, while those who go out and vote are a much smaller share of that citizenry? Democrats make a lot of noise about how much they love about democracy, but they seem to hate it in practice; the electoral college is effectively mandatory voting, except not voting means you vote with the majority.

    The people have spoken, and they chose Trump over Clinton, resoundingly.

    How hard is it to understand that the electoral college represents the will of the entire majority-age citizenry of the United States

    Let’s say we had a popular vote system. Couldn’t you equally say that the popular vote represents even those who don’t vote, who in effect voted for the victor?

    I think what you’re saying is that the electoral college compensates for inequalities in voter participation between states. But I don’t see why that’s desirable.

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  65. @Sim
    This was a great article Jim, good job and keep up the good work buddy!

    Thanks, Sim.

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  66. Wally says:
    @Anon
    How the hell would you know who I voted for? This is ridiculous. You're obviously just trolling.

    Projecting again, we see.

    And yes, you did vote for Hillary. You simply protest too much. You’re fooling no one.

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  67. @Wizard of Oz
    Get back on the meds. All your premises are nonsense.

    Try this. On an interesting and important topic of conversation in which you have minimal emotional investment, namely the weaknesses of Trump and how far powerful opponents can, will and/or are going to try and bring him down eventually, including preventing him being reelected, or asap, an intelligent quite well connected and dispassionate observer makes a remark about rumours ĺn DC which (contrary to what you allege, as evidenced by other commenters on this thread) is not common currency in the MSM and might add great weight to any move for impeachment agaibst whuch Trump would hope for Republican solidarity.

    It hasn't been mentioned by the author (and is obviously not "almost identical to what is in the US MSM" - but so incredible tbat I shouldn't mention it! - or maybe other commenters would have noticed) so I wonder if UR contributors or commenters might see how, if at all, such rumours fit into the total picture of Which Trump and his domestic opponents are at the centre. I wasn't wrong in my expectation because all but you have made intelligible defensible constructive comments.

    One other exception to join you on the Unhappy team...I see Stonehands has summoned up the intellectual strength to press the Troll button for something which clearly isn't trolling**and is clearly a response to feeling humiliated. He wrote of my being condescending on another thread, and I suppose I should plead guilty rather than attempt a lengthy justification of rubbing in the intellectual weaknesses of some over-confident commenters who should probably be seen and not heard.

    **Perhaps4 one could be said to be trolling if, in an apparently innocent way, one was putting up a case one didn't believe in just to prompt answers which made fools of those providing them. But, apart from you, the commentors who replied didn't make fools of themselves and didn't thereby support Stonehands pathetic bleat.

    You’re a cunt, if you want to address me don’t hide it in a comment to someone else.

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    You read what I had to say yet you imagine that I would want to "address" you. What gives you that unlikely idea unless you think that this poking my tongue out at you in response to your even less substantial rhubard counts?

    And you fail to notice how absurd you seem to anyone who notices your presence on UR because you are complaining about indirect reference to you when the occasion for it was your own sneaky little Troll tag that, in the same spirit, I should perhaps have lowlighted with the LOL button.
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  68. Svigor says:

    Let’s say we had a popular vote system. Couldn’t you equally say that the popular vote represents even those who don’t vote, who in effect voted for the victor?

    If we had a popular vote system, then yes, we could say that it represents the population’s will, but not equally; it wouldn’t be to the extent that the EC does, because there’d be no representation according to population. It would be more abstract.

    I think what you’re saying is that the electoral college compensates for inequalities in voter participation between states. But I don’t see why that’s desirable.

    I don’t really know what that means, so no, I’m not saying that. But since I don’t know what it means, it could be a valid upshot of what I’m saying. :) (Actually, I think I understand what you’re saying, though I wouldn’t put it quite that way; I’d say there are inequalities present in participation rates between States, not that compensation is needed)

    The key is the Electoral College, where the elective power of the non-voting public is tangibly represented, in the form of Electoral Votes.

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  69. Svigor says:

    Simple question – without a simple answer I’m sure – what could line up enough elected Republicans to join with Democrats in impeaching Trump?

    Good question. Personally, I’d bet the ratio of Republicans willing to actually impeach, to Republicans willing to yakk about it in front of the cameras to curry favor with the Big Media/Political Establisment complex, or gain political leverage with Trump, is pretty low.

    I don’t buy the impeachment talk at all, at this point. I don’t think the people talking impeachment buy it at all, either. The whole point is to wage a perception war. Though obviously there’s overlap; talking impeachment paves the way for real impeachment. More of the same Judeoforming that’ Big Media has been doing on the Western Mind for generations.

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  70. Svigor says:

    I think the main motive behind the EC is that it is States that elect presidents, not voters. Voters decide who the States will elect (and then the full power of the State is thrown behind the chosen candidate). Well, that, and the fact that it puts hard limits on voter fraud; you can’t get more electoral clout than you have population).

    The whole point of (almost; 48 out of 50?) every State choosing to do it this way (bundle EVs as a single, winner-take-all-block) is that it maximizes a State’s political clout, which is, ceteris paribus, good for the States. Any State which opts out and starts splitting EVs proportionally will instantly lose a lot of clout (California could certainly make this switch, put their money where their mouth is, but they don’t).

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  71. @Stonehands
    You're a cunt, if you want to address me don't hide it in a comment to someone else.

    You read what I had to say yet you imagine that I would want to “address” you. What gives you that unlikely idea unless you think that this poking my tongue out at you in response to your even less substantial rhubard counts?

    And you fail to notice how absurd you seem to anyone who notices your presence on UR because you are complaining about indirect reference to you when the occasion for it was your own sneaky little Troll tag that, in the same spirit, I should perhaps have lowlighted with the LOL button.

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    Who are you to think you speak for others (regarding my comments)on UR?
    You described perfectly well why l trolled you. You make inane arguments then mow down the commenters who reply.
    You have an imbalanced view of how important you are in the scheme of things.

    PS
    I didn't ask you anything off the wall about 9/11.

    4 airliners cruising the Hudson/DC corridor with transponders off- and no air force response- doesn't say much for Big Brother...or was the ramping up of the surveillance state the desired outcome?

    For sure, l think so.
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  72. @Alden
    the demorats have Gavin Newsone nephew of Nancy Pelosi, lieutenant governor of California and the Mayor of San Francisco who happily presided over hundreds of illegal gay marriages.

    My bet is on another mulattoe, Kamela Harris another protege of the powerful San Francisco democrat machine. A protege of Willie Brown she rose quickly from law school, to district attorney to California attorney general and then Barbara Boxer's replacement in the US senate.

    And unlike Obama, she had real jobs as district attorney and attorney general before her election to the Senate was arranged by TPTB.

    I think it'll be a contest between those 2. But Newsom, being a cis normative White man will lose. Kamela has never married. Maybe she'll declare herself some sort of transgender gay to be the perfect demorat candidate.

    And all those socially conservative anti gay blacks, Hispanics and Asians? They will vote straight demorat as usual even if it is a mulattoe transgender gay.

    ” Unlike O she had real jobs as district attorney and attorney general”

    These are in no stretch of the imagination ” Real jobs”, rather they are BS artist jobs in which someone makes six figures for talking shit all day, and then they, such as doctors, make decisions which half of the time are faulty and cause others great malaise and grief.

    This all can be traced back to the German influence upon American society : Germans worship authority, they worship : Judges, attorneys, clergy, politicians, journalists, doctors, teachers, professors, etc. In other words they, the Germans worship all of the BS artists of society, and this is also the situation in the US : The stratus of society which causes the most harm, the most damage recieves the most veneration, the most adulation.

    In Italy, a country far saner than Germany, They greet each other with such expressions as :

    ” Bon Giorno Professore” (good day professor) or ” Bon Giorno Dottore”, even if one does not hold such a title, and this would be unthinkable in Germany, and frowned upon as a “Desecration” of these hallowed titles.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” society member since 1973, airborne qualified US Army vet and pro jazz artist.

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    Exactly - this is part of the phenomenon I commented on in another thread, the importance of English traditions to the functioning of America as America.

    Along with millions of continental Europeans (and latterly, Asians), the U.S. imperceptibly also imported the innate authority-worship that had been inculcated into those populations over centuries. Liberté is NOT quite the same thing as freedom.

    An interesting example of cultural continentalization is the endless fuss and muss over picayune details of written expression under the cult of the "Chicago Manual of Style" (probably sounds better in the original German) with its attendant hordes of quarter-educated, pettifogging educationalizationators infesting "higher education."

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  73. Eagle Eye says:
    @Mao Cheng Ji
    According to WaPo:

    There were six people from the U.S. side in the room during the Lavrov meeting: Trump, Tillerson, McMaster and deputy national security adviser Dina Powell, as well as two more junior aides who are subject-matter experts, according to a senior administration official.
     
    Someone had to leak the story. Assuming Lavrov, Kislyak, Trump, Tillerson, and McMaster didn't do it, it's one of the two junior aides, or Dina Powell, formerly a partner at Goldman Sachs and State official under Bush. The guy, Trump, he needs better HR vetting procedures, and until then he shouldn't invite anyone to his meetings...

    deputy national security adviser Dina Powell,

    … formerly a partner at Goldman Sachs

    Goldman Sachs may be useful for some things, but how on earth does work experience as an investment banker qualify a person to serve as “deputy national security adviser”?

    Has Dina served in the military for a few years? Does Dina understand and read Russian and Chinese? Is Dina up-to-date on cutting-edge computer and software technology? ECM? ICBM technology? Could Dina explain the function of a nuclear reactor in 90 seconds?

    Or is “national security” to be understood as shorthand for “Goldman Sachs security”?

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    I'm the last person to defend somebody like Dina Powell, but her Goldman Sachs career was short and from my cynical nature was reward for being a good aide to Bush 'the lesser'. She gained her foreign policy experience working for him and the missing link, Condy Rice. And her climb to the top began in Texas where she worked for prominent pols there. It also helps that she is of Egyptian background and speaks Arabic.
    Being cynical again she has it all covered, she's a woman, a 'minority', speaks a language that is helpful if you work in foreign affairs and ..ok that's it.
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  74. Eagle Eye says:
    @Authenticjazzman
    " Unlike O she had real jobs as district attorney and attorney general"

    These are in no stretch of the imagination " Real jobs", rather they are BS artist jobs in which someone makes six figures for talking shit all day, and then they, such as doctors, make decisions which half of the time are faulty and cause others great malaise and grief.

    This all can be traced back to the German influence upon American society : Germans worship authority, they worship : Judges, attorneys, clergy, politicians, journalists, doctors, teachers, professors, etc. In other words they, the Germans worship all of the BS artists of society, and this is also the situation in the US : The stratus of society which causes the most harm, the most damage recieves the most veneration, the most adulation.

    In Italy, a country far saner than Germany, They greet each other with such expressions as :

    " Bon Giorno Professore" (good day professor) or " Bon Giorno Dottore", even if one does not hold such a title, and this would be unthinkable in Germany, and frowned upon as a "Desecration" of these hallowed titles.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" society member since 1973, airborne qualified US Army vet and pro jazz artist.

    Exactly – this is part of the phenomenon I commented on in another thread, the importance of English traditions to the functioning of America as America.

    Along with millions of continental Europeans (and latterly, Asians), the U.S. imperceptibly also imported the innate authority-worship that had been inculcated into those populations over centuries. Liberté is NOT quite the same thing as freedom.

    An interesting example of cultural continentalization is the endless fuss and muss over picayune details of written expression under the cult of the “Chicago Manual of Style” (probably sounds better in the original German) with its attendant hordes of quarter-educated, pettifogging educationalizationators infesting “higher education.”

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  75. MBlanc46 says:
    @Carlton Meyer
    Excellent article. Trump has already failed to deliver what he promised (even deportations are still just for criminals). Sending our troops into Syria and cutting domestic spending to boost military spending another 10% just spat on his supporters, but he might grow a backbone and try to change things once he realizes all American Generals are nuts.

    If they oust him, it will convince all Americans that a Deep State rules the nation. They would have ousted Sanders even quicker. It is also a message to all outsiders who think we are a democracy, don't step into our ring, we don't fight fair! Hear that Dwayne Johnson "the Rock" who has shown an interest in saving our nation. Bernie knew this all along, which is why he didn't fight to win.

    It will be Pence vs Clinton in 2020! Choose your poison.

    Unfortunately, most Americans will not give a fig that the nation is governed by a deep state.

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  76. MBlanc46 says:
    @animalogic
    Clinton in 2020 ??
    I almost choked on my own vomit !
    Could the democrats be THAT stupid or THAT desperate !

    Clinton in 2020? The Dems are probably not that stupid, be she’s probably that desperate and that delusional. It might be Trump’s only chance for re-election.

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  77. @Wizard of Oz
    You read what I had to say yet you imagine that I would want to "address" you. What gives you that unlikely idea unless you think that this poking my tongue out at you in response to your even less substantial rhubard counts?

    And you fail to notice how absurd you seem to anyone who notices your presence on UR because you are complaining about indirect reference to you when the occasion for it was your own sneaky little Troll tag that, in the same spirit, I should perhaps have lowlighted with the LOL button.

    Who are you to think you speak for others (regarding my comments)on UR?
    You described perfectly well why l trolled you. You make inane arguments then mow down the commenters who reply.
    You have an imbalanced view of how important you are in the scheme of things.

    PS
    I didn’t ask you anything off the wall about 9/11.

    4 airliners cruising the Hudson/DC corridor with transponders off- and no air force response- doesn’t say much for Big Brother…or was the ramping up of the surveillance state the desired outcome?

    For sure, l think so.

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    Amongst the mentally shortwinded commenters on UR you don't appear to be alcoholic (a notorious cause of explosive verbal emissions after limited mental stamina is exhausted). But poor working memory might explain your failure to think through the complexities, though why it leaves you satisfied that there is a government/Deep State/Mossad/Saudi/whatever conspiracy behind 9/11 that precludes the simple explanation that ObL got more than he expected in NY but exactly what he hoped for in Afghanistan I can only put down to something idiosyncratic.
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  78. @Stonehands
    Who are you to think you speak for others (regarding my comments)on UR?
    You described perfectly well why l trolled you. You make inane arguments then mow down the commenters who reply.
    You have an imbalanced view of how important you are in the scheme of things.

    PS
    I didn't ask you anything off the wall about 9/11.

    4 airliners cruising the Hudson/DC corridor with transponders off- and no air force response- doesn't say much for Big Brother...or was the ramping up of the surveillance state the desired outcome?

    For sure, l think so.

    Amongst the mentally shortwinded commenters on UR you don’t appear to be alcoholic (a notorious cause of explosive verbal emissions after limited mental stamina is exhausted). But poor working memory might explain your failure to think through the complexities, though why it leaves you satisfied that there is a government/Deep State/Mossad/Saudi/whatever conspiracy behind 9/11 that precludes the simple explanation that ObL got more than he expected in NY but exactly what he hoped for in Afghanistan I can only put down to something idiosyncratic.

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    Who said anything about Mossad? Now you are importing a careless lie..I raise valid issues that have been swept under the rug, and have caused most commenters here to have a strong aversion to a government that not only despises their constituents but is milking them to pay for their replacements through DACA, H1 +2 visas and so on. It's certainly within the realm of possibilities that they "overlooked" or helped the 911 plot along, in order to fulfill the PNAC call for a galvanizing event


    I could go back and forth trading barbs with you-but my Momma always told me "never get in a pissing contest with a skunk."

    , @Stonehands
    Who said anything about Mossad? Now you are importing a careless lie..I raise valid issues that have been swept under the rug, and have caused most commenters here to have a strong aversion to a government that not only despises their constituents but is milking them to pay for their replacements through DACA, H1 +2 visas and so on. It's certainly within the realm of possibilities that they "overlooked" or helped the 911 plot along, in order to fulfill the PNAC call for a galvanizing event


    I could go back and forth trading barbs with you-but my Momma always told me "never get in a pissing contest with a skunk."
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  79. @Wizard of Oz
    Yes, you have added reasons for doubting the rumours though I don't think the absence of news about Russian money in the tabloids is anything like decisive. How would the tabloids find out. They haven't had the means to match or exceed the oeed of the FBI with Mafia people for example. If the kind of resources Edward Snowden blew the whistle on were being used to trawl now over 20+ years of Trump finances it might just be that the trawling hasn't yet been completed, including analysis. That leaves plenty of room for quite well informed rumours.

    This meant as further reply to Stripes Duncan

    It occurs to me that the simplest answer to “where did Trump go for finance after the big bankruptcy?” is the simplest of all, namely that there wasn’t a problem.

    There are any number of competing sources of finance for real estate in the US and the fact that he (i.e. via some of his corporate vehicles) had dudded some of them doesn’t mean that the boys who gave us the GFC wouldn’t have found him some pretty cheap money. Between generally available cheap money, cheap labor and the rising value of well chosen metropolitan real estate (and a big tax write off) you don’t need much of an explanation for Trump’s continuing prosperity without positing dodgy sources of finance. A key point is that the dudded banks (even assuming it was the banks that lost the money) would just be a bit more hardheaded in demanding security, and if that meant Trump businesses because they didn’t have high investment grade rating or enough collateral, so what if the market is going in the right direction for you and producing returns of 10 or 15 per cent (as tribute to your genius of course if you are a Trump – though we should credit him as having a feel for NY real estate if not for quantum physics or foreign affairs)?

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  80. @Stripes Duncan
    Money is digital. Ones and zeroes flying around the world from one computer to another. Do you really think ZOG can freeze assets anywhere in the world at any time but remains stymied in its attempts to find out Trump's finances?

    They're getting increasingly erratic and desperate in their attempts to unseat Trump because they have absolutely nada to hang on him. That's the benefit of electing a president who's been in the tabloids for 30+ years. There is no dirt left. It's all been dug up.

    Our surveillance state knows everything. We know it's read the mail of practically every European leader. We know it infiltrated every political party in the previous French election. It has cyber warfare tools that allow it to leave signatures that appear as footprints of foreign hackers. If they had something even remotely juicy they could hang on Trump, it would have outed by now. The only conspiracy is this never-ending attempted coup to unseat a fairly-elected president that the Ivy League inner circle refuses to accept.

    See too #79

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  81. @Alden
    The foreign bank funds would more likely come from China. Supposedly China provided a lot of the money for Walmart. It worked out well as Walmart is the biggest purveyor of Chinese garbage.

    See #79

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  82. @neutral
    Like a lot of rumours I call this one as absolute bullsh!t. I don't think that anyone can deny the fact that the US state apparatus and their media outlets such Washington Post or CNN are really working to remove him, if there any truth to this it would have been made public in their main headlines months ago. The most logical origin of this rumour is likely to come from the very same people trying to take him out.

    See too #79

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  83. @Wizard of Oz
    Amongst the mentally shortwinded commenters on UR you don't appear to be alcoholic (a notorious cause of explosive verbal emissions after limited mental stamina is exhausted). But poor working memory might explain your failure to think through the complexities, though why it leaves you satisfied that there is a government/Deep State/Mossad/Saudi/whatever conspiracy behind 9/11 that precludes the simple explanation that ObL got more than he expected in NY but exactly what he hoped for in Afghanistan I can only put down to something idiosyncratic.

    Who said anything about Mossad? Now you are importing a careless lie..I raise valid issues that have been swept under the rug, and have caused most commenters here to have a strong aversion to a government that not only despises their constituents but is milking them to pay for their replacements through DACA, H1 +2 visas and so on. It’s certainly within the realm of possibilities that they “overlooked” or helped the 911 plot along, in order to fulfill the PNAC call for a galvanizing event

    I could go back and forth trading barbs with you-but my Momma always told me “never get in a pissing contest with a skunk.”

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  84. @Wizard of Oz
    Amongst the mentally shortwinded commenters on UR you don't appear to be alcoholic (a notorious cause of explosive verbal emissions after limited mental stamina is exhausted). But poor working memory might explain your failure to think through the complexities, though why it leaves you satisfied that there is a government/Deep State/Mossad/Saudi/whatever conspiracy behind 9/11 that precludes the simple explanation that ObL got more than he expected in NY but exactly what he hoped for in Afghanistan I can only put down to something idiosyncratic.

    Who said anything about Mossad? Now you are importing a careless lie..I raise valid issues that have been swept under the rug, and have caused most commenters here to have a strong aversion to a government that not only despises their constituents but is milking them to pay for their replacements through DACA, H1 +2 visas and so on. It’s certainly within the realm of possibilities that they “overlooked” or helped the 911 plot along, in order to fulfill the PNAC call for a galvanizing event

    I could go back and forth trading barbs with you-but my Momma always told me “never get in a pissing contest with a skunk.”

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  85. I’m glad your mother, if not refined, was fully literate by West Virginia mountain standards.

    Who mentioned Mossad? Many on UR. And I have long acknowledged that *some* Mossad foreknowledge of aspects of the 9/11 plot is consistent with its being an Al Qaeda operation so I try to make it clear what I don’t wish to bother disputing.

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    I have long acknowledged that *some* Mossad foreknowledge of aspects of the 9/11 plot is consistent
     
    well then..

    I guess you're admitting that the Israeli government- at the highest levels- knew that 9/11 was going to happen, or at least likely to happen, but then didn't warn us, eh?

    what was it Bibi blurted out when asked what he thought about 9/11 right after it happened?

    "It's very good"

    isn't that so wiz?

    so what you're telling us is that the Israeli government, who receives billion$ from the American tax payer each year, had "foreknowledge" of the attacks, but rather than warn the people in the towers to seek safety, they kept it a secret, and filmed the attack, and the Mossad agents were even seen "dancing" and "high-fiving" each other, at the horrific deaths of thousands of American souls.

    Did you know that after the first tower was hit, and Bibi's close buddy Lucky Larry (they spoke at least weekly by phone) knew the second plane was coming... that they had the PA systems in the second tower tell all the employees to return to their places of work, because there was no danger. Did you know that?

    Imagine what kind of person this Silverstein is, to have seen all those tenants every day, and the janitors and secretaries and CEOs and all those people who he knew by name, and then sit back and tell them to return to their cubicles because their deaths will be needed to create a proper sense of outrage so the American people will go kill innocents that Bibi wants killed, and Lucky will get his insurance billion$

    charming people these Zionist Jews, eh wiz?

    Haaretz reported on the day after 9/11 that on a typical day at that time, there should be app. 4000 Israelis working in the Trade Center towers, and lamented their possible deaths. But it turns out there were at most a handful of (possibly zero) Israelis that happened to be at the towers on that particular day! And the only Israeli that died that we know of was a guy on one of the planes.

    Many, many Jews died in the fires on that infamous day wiz, but somehow the Israelis, (just like Lucky Larry!) lucked out.
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    @Wizard of Oz
    I'm glad your mother, if not refined, was fully literate by West Virginia mountain standards.

    Who mentioned Mossad? Many on UR. And I have long acknowledged that *some* Mossad foreknowledge of aspects of the 9/11 plot is consistent with its being an Al Qaeda operation so I try to make it clear what I don't wish to bother disputing.

    I have long acknowledged that *some* Mossad foreknowledge of aspects of the 9/11 plot is consistent

    well then..

    I guess you’re admitting that the Israeli government- at the highest levels- knew that 9/11 was going to happen, or at least likely to happen, but then didn’t warn us, eh?

    what was it Bibi blurted out when asked what he thought about 9/11 right after it happened?

    “It’s very good”

    isn’t that so wiz?

    so what you’re telling us is that the Israeli government, who receives billion$ from the American tax payer each year, had “foreknowledge” of the attacks, but rather than warn the people in the towers to seek safety, they kept it a secret, and filmed the attack, and the Mossad agents were even seen “dancing” and “high-fiving” each other, at the horrific deaths of thousands of American souls.

    Did you know that after the first tower was hit, and Bibi’s close buddy Lucky Larry (they spoke at least weekly by phone) knew the second plane was coming… that they had the PA systems in the second tower tell all the employees to return to their places of work, because there was no danger. Did you know that?

    Imagine what kind of person this Silverstein is, to have seen all those tenants every day, and the janitors and secretaries and CEOs and all those people who he knew by name, and then sit back and tell them to return to their cubicles because their deaths will be needed to create a proper sense of outrage so the American people will go kill innocents that Bibi wants killed, and Lucky will get his insurance billion$

    charming people these Zionist Jews, eh wiz?

    Haaretz reported on the day after 9/11 that on a typical day at that time, there should be app. 4000 Israelis working in the Trade Center towers, and lamented their possible deaths. But it turns out there were at most a handful of (possibly zero) Israelis that happened to be at the towers on that particular day! And the only Israeli that died that we know of was a guy on one of the planes.

    Many, many Jews died in the fires on that infamous day wiz, but somehow the Israelis, (just like Lucky Larry!) lucked out.

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  87. Only your obsessions could get you from my saying carefully that something was [logically] consistent with something else to saying I admitted a causal connection or certain or slmost certain knowledge. No, i merely point to my view of its (un)importance, namely that it is not s matter of sny necessary significance in understanding the hows, whos and whys of 9/11.

    So I see no need to follow you down your obsessional path which seems to make you believe, and certainly assert, some most unlikely stories about Silverstein. Why would he cause the making of that PA announcement? To whose employees? Presumably only his own which makes your gossip even more bizarre. And I do know a bit about politics and political life and your weekly calls between Silverstein and Netanyahu sounds to me like some total outsider’s fantasy picked up from the cleaning lady. Tell me, apart from the time when Larry said to Bibi “I told you my great plan was going to work and we’d both get what we want, and it’s all fixed for next week” what did they talk about and for how long?

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  88. Z-man says:
    @Eagle Eye

    deputy national security adviser Dina Powell,

    ... formerly a partner at Goldman Sachs
     

    Goldman Sachs may be useful for some things, but how on earth does work experience as an investment banker qualify a person to serve as "deputy national security adviser"?

    Has Dina served in the military for a few years? Does Dina understand and read Russian and Chinese? Is Dina up-to-date on cutting-edge computer and software technology? ECM? ICBM technology? Could Dina explain the function of a nuclear reactor in 90 seconds?

    Or is "national security" to be understood as shorthand for "Goldman Sachs security"?

    I’m the last person to defend somebody like Dina Powell, but her Goldman Sachs career was short and from my cynical nature was reward for being a good aide to Bush ‘the lesser’. She gained her foreign policy experience working for him and the missing link, Condy Rice. And her climb to the top began in Texas where she worked for prominent pols there. It also helps that she is of Egyptian background and speaks Arabic.
    Being cynical again she has it all covered, she’s a woman, a ‘minority’, speaks a language that is helpful if you work in foreign affairs and ..ok that’s it.

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    It could be Powell, or it could be one of the 'experts' (or both). Or, for all we know, it could be McMasters or Tillerson. The point is, Trump doesn't have a loyal team. Even in the group of 5 people, among the most trusted, someone leaked. With a team like this it's simply not possible to fight the 'deep state' and its media.
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  89. @Z-man
    I'm the last person to defend somebody like Dina Powell, but her Goldman Sachs career was short and from my cynical nature was reward for being a good aide to Bush 'the lesser'. She gained her foreign policy experience working for him and the missing link, Condy Rice. And her climb to the top began in Texas where she worked for prominent pols there. It also helps that she is of Egyptian background and speaks Arabic.
    Being cynical again she has it all covered, she's a woman, a 'minority', speaks a language that is helpful if you work in foreign affairs and ..ok that's it.

    It could be Powell, or it could be one of the ‘experts’ (or both). Or, for all we know, it could be McMasters or Tillerson. The point is, Trump doesn’t have a loyal team. Even in the group of 5 people, among the most trusted, someone leaked. With a team like this it’s simply not possible to fight the ‘deep state’ and its media.

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  90. Sean says:

    I also notice that, in the last week or so, there have been reports in the American and Israeli press that Netanyahu’s “honeymoon with Trump” has “ended abruptly,” that there have been “harsh exchanges” with Trump administration officials who told members of Netanyahu’s team, to their “utter shock,” that the Western Wall was “not your territory but rather part of the West Bank,” and that Netanyahu is now “wary” and increasingly mistrustful of Trump.

    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-meet-israeli-palestinian-leaders-separately/story?id=47545023

    [I]n preparations for the visit, a junior U.S. official commented to Israelis that the site is “not your territory. It’s part of the West Bank”

    Dershowitz: Trump Is Saying and Doing All the Right Things in Israel.

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  91. […] Indeed we haven’t seen such extensive wall-to-wall coverage against an American president since Watergate. As others have pointed out: the media and some U.S. politicians really are gunning for Trump. […]

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  92. […] “Fast and Furious: Now They’re Really Gunning for Trump” (or here).  Names the real perp!  Again, going back to first principles, the basis of all of this is preserving the ‘donor’ funding model enjoyed by the Democrats while removing Russia as an impediment to Yinon and the building of Greater Israel.  Behind the scenes, the Khazars are in a frenzy caused by the success of the Syrian government, both as a thwarting of their Yinon plans for Syria and aa a demonstration that positive winning steps can be taken by determined actors to defeat Zionism (the Astana zones are already working to free up the Syrian army for de-terrorization efforts, which are accelerating towards an end of the terrorist occupation of Syria). […]

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