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The phrase “angry white males” has been around awhile, but Donald Trump’s election has pushed it to the forefront. Indeed, at least for some, it is central to Trump’s election. As Steven M. Gillon put it in The Washington Post, “Donald Trump has tapped into this anger and manipulated it to his political advantage. The bond between President Trump and his white followers is not based on policy but on grievance. They both reject the cultural changes over the past half-century, and Trump’s Make America Great Again slogan signals his intent to unravel them.”

Whether this anger is somehow justified is, of course, a question of immense complexity but let me offer three observations that explain its scope regardless of its justification. My point is that affirmative action and other egalitarian social engineering nostrums inescapably spreads antagonisms beyond those immediately affected by the policies. And the anger will only grow as government keeps pushing the egalitarian fantasy.

First, violating the merit principle, whether in college admissions or hiring police officers guarantees disgruntled white males far in excess of its true victims. Consider hiring five firefighters strictly according to civil service exam scores. Let’s assume that a hundred men apply for the position and can be ranked by test scores. The top four are white and are hired. Now, thanks to a Department of Justice consent decree, the fire department must hire at least one African American from the list and if the highest ranking black scores at 20 in the array he will be hired despite his middling score.

How many white males have actually lost their job to a black? The correct answer is exactly one, the fifth ranking applicant. But how many whites will mistakenly believe that they lost out to an affirmative action candidate? The answer is 14 since this is the number of rejected white candidates between 6 and 19 and, to be honest, all can make a legitimate claim of being passed over to satisfy the diversity bean counters. Further fueling this anger is that each of those fourteen “unfairly” rejected applicants may complain to family and friends and thus tales of the alleged injustice multiply though, in fact, only a single white applicant lost out to a less qualified black.

Affirmative action is thus a white grievance multiplier if this information is public (as is often the case in university admissions and in reverse discrimination litigation). No doubt, every Spring when colleges and professional schools such as law and medicine mail out their acceptance/rejection letters, millions of white males can honestly complain that they would have been admitted to their first choice if they had only been black or Hispanic and judged exclusively by test scores. Of course, if the university admitted all those whites who exceeded the scores of the least qualified black, the university would have to dramatically increase the freshman class, a policy that possibly tantamount to admitting nearly every white applicant.

Second, the greater the pressure to increase “diversity” via adding additional under-qualified blacks and Hispanics and not expanding enrollment, the greater the visible gap between affirmative action admittees and all others. Again, everything is purely statistical. For example, in the pre-affirmative action era only a few blacks attended college, nearly all of whom got there on merit. Whites (and Asians) would likely view them as equals, no small benefit in a society obsessed with expunging “racist stereotypes” regarding black intellectual ability.

Now imagine that due to government pressure the number of blacks admitted substantially grew and, unless overall enrollment correspondently expanded, fewer academically borderline whites would be admitted so college life became an experience where smart whites encountered lots of intellectually challenged blacks.

Ironically, as per claims that campus racial diversity provides wonderful learning experiences, what might a white student with, say, a total SAT reading/math score of 1350 learn from his black dorm mate who scored 1150? (This is the average white/black SAT gap.) I’d guess that the white student would learn that it’s good to be a favored minority in terms of obtaining full-ride scholarships, internship programs, and job offers from top firms. Try to imagine a better way of teaching about white privilege.

Third, as the political pressure for yet more diversity increases, coercion will correspondingly become more draconian and thus more odious since it takes extra effort to force employers or universities to dig deeper into a thinner and thinner talent pool. A parallel is a parent faced with a child reluctant to eat vegetables. The pressure may begin softly—enticing junior to eat a few French fries but it will grow stronger as Mom adds disliked turnips, lima beans and cauliflower. At some point, promoting “good nutrition” may require force feeding.

I have personally observed this escalating pressure to diversify college faculty, pressure that even liberal faculty find objectionable. During the 1970s the emphasis was on relatively painless voluntary measures: recruitment committees would append “applicants from previously under-represented groups are encouraged to apply” on job postings, tweaking teaching responsibilities to attract minority candidates, or Deans providing extra funds for the job slot if a black or Hispanic could be hired. Gradually, however, as these benign tactics failed to make the numbers, the apparatchiki tightened the screws—Provosts would independently scour the market for minority job candidates or appoint a non-departmental “political commissar” to monitor faculty recruitment committee deliberations to insure that no promising minority candidate was overlooked.

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Hiring discussions were soon filled with euphemisms such as “targets” or “goals” since quotas were illegal under the 1964 Civil Rights Act. Increasingly, the push for faculty diversity has come to resemble Chinese political indoctrination where even the term “affirmative action” is verboten since it implies unequal ability. At the University of California–Riverside, for example, all candidates for faculty jobs (including the sciences) must submit a statement describing how they’ve worked to promote diversity, equity and inclusion in previous positions as graduate students or professors and how they planned to continue to do so once on campus. And guess what? Those who give superior answers to these questions surprisingly turn out to be from historically under-represented groups! Cynthia Larive, Riverside’s interim provost, said that avoiding numerical targets “gets people out of thinking about a quota system. We want to hire outstanding faculty members who can help the institution continue to be successful and, most importantly, who can mentor students.”

Needless to say, the diversity apparatchiki assume that all liberal white faculty, even those in the hard sciences, are debilitated by implicit bias so they have to be pushed to overcome their doubts about possibly hiring a black physicist from a third-tier school. At Boston College faculty receive special training through the Office of Institutional Diversity to develop strategies to promote diversity and are thus instructed, for example, to avoid “narrow professional networks” (i.e., contacting colleagues at other schools) in seeking out top job candidates. After all, why assume that the next Richard Feynman will have been trained at a MIT or Princeton?

What makes this coerced diversity so hard to swallow is that its purpose rests on a plain-to-see but impossible to express fraud—the alleged benefits of diversity. Indeed, the elite’s obsessive proclamations of this lie far more closely resemble propaganda than celebrating a cliché-like truth. Simply put, if diversity is so wonderful, and in the self-interest of universities and businesses, why must it be imposed forcefully? Surely if it was as beneficial as advertised, there would be no need for disparate impact lawsuits, training to overcome implicit bias and similar measures that resemble mothers punishing junior for not eating his lima beans. Does government and the social justice camp followers really believe that diversity is akin to chocolate or red wine whose consumption hardly needs coercion?

Now for what really fuels the anger over coerced diversity: it is one thing to demand sacrifices for a clearly understood, noble cause—WW II rationing, for example. But it is quite another to demand sacrifices for a cause whose benefits rest on an obvious falsehood, and it is hard to imagine a bigger lie than “Diversity is Our Strength.”

Even worse, today’s PC dogma insists that those coerced into this charade dare not complain, at least in public, since such caviling will be deemed “racist” and a defense of white privilege. An unemployable white male Harvard Ph.D. in English will be told to just shut up and get an adjunct position at a community college. After all, the barely competent black who beat him out for the Yale job had enslaved ancestors.

No wonder Trump received such enthusiastic welcomes by white males—the anger has been silently boiling for decades and this was perhaps the first instance where it could be expressed albeit indirectly. Imagine if a speaker at a Trump a rally was more forthcoming: “We are sick and tired of being pushed aside so that some incompetent minority can take our place in the name of diversity whose only purpose is to make some airhead social justice warrior feel good about herself. How many people in this audience personally know anybody who lost their job to a less-qualified ‘diversity candidate’? Give me a show of hands.”

One can only imagine the panic of every corporate CEO, college president and other Thinkgood Americans upon hearing this speech. They would demand that Trump immediately repudiate it. The White Male Martyrs Brigade has awakened and is on the march.

 
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  1. geokat62 says:

    What makes this coerced diversity so hard to swallow is that its purpose rests on a plain-to-see but impossible to express fraud—the alleged benefits of diversity. Indeed, the elite’s obsessive proclamations of this lie far more closely resemble propaganda than celebrating a cliché-like truth… and it is hard to imagine a bigger lie than “Diversity is Our Strength.”

    Why the use of the nebulous term “elites”? Why not call a spade a spade and admit that “Diversity is Our Strength” is a tagline of the Anti-Defamation League (ADL)?

    Why not tell your readers that, after working away at it for 100 years, it was the domestic wing of The Lobby that was responsible for getting the non-restrictionist immigration act passed in 1965, which is the biggest reason the US has become such a multicultural society?

    This information would have been a useful backdrop to this article.

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    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    No, it's not just the Jews or all about the Jews. The Gentiles up at the top of the power pyramid decided on mass, non-White immigration, de facto and de jure multiculturalism and Affirmative Action before the Jews came to predominate the way they did until perhaps this year. Have a look at the consensus that formed on all this from around the mid-1960s to mid-1970s. At it's heart, it was an attempt to keep the momentum of the First and Second Industrial Revolutions, and the postwar "Glorious Thirty", going after it would have faded out on its own.

    So much of this anti-White, anti-male, anti-majority culture stuff is the toxic distillation of a bunch of hype and happy talk the powerful starting pumping out back then. Mass media, mass education and the think-tank industry made it possible to promote women going into the paid workforce, mass exotic immigration, Affirmative Action and all the other policies needed to keep the ponzi scheme economy of the West going a little longer.
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  2. Angry whites? Seriously?

    The stuff on campuses seems decidedly “angry non-whites” (except for white “allies”). Twitter the same.

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  3. Nepemnr says: • Website

    I think the aff.-act. hire at the fire dept will produce significantly more than just one jilted stakeholder.

    Two others I can think of are the other firemen who must now suffer him, and the community who feels less secure (I personally avoid black doctors, sorry).

    But I take your point in the article. There is a plain-to-see grievancehood that’s emerging among whites.

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    Two others I can think of are the other firemen who must now suffer him, and the community who feels less secure (I personally avoid black doctors, sorry).
     
    Just so - reminds my of how my mom, presenting at emergency with a partially paralyzed left arm and leg, was told "I don't think this is a stroke" by the African resident - and left to wait it out until the CT confirmation the following day.

    It would be instructive to see how some of the hardened advocates of affirmative action would behave if given the black-or-white choice on a critical medical issue.
    , @Bill Jones
    And then there are the wymen.
    Fire watchers versus Fire fighters.
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  4. Regardless of how “affirmative action” is defined in principle & practice it should NEVER be prioritised over the merit principle. Merit is the bedrock of modern culture.
    However:
    “Simply put, if diversity is so wonderful, and in the self-interest of universities and businesses, why must it be imposed forcefully? ”
    Good question. Back in the 70-80′s women & minorities were trying to break into the business etc world. There WAS discrimination based on gender & race. It was positive to prioritise women & minorities when merit was the first priority. It was an effort to change a culture. Simply, to give everyone a “fair go”.
    The culture has moved on since then. Equality, but based on merit, should be accepted.
    Diversity, for diversity’s sake, is ridiculous. “Diversity” is now a blunt instrument wielded by the identity politics crowd for their own political benefit.

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    • Replies: @vera
    I was once one of those women who were hired into and trained for a job that had been reserved for males. I was so proud, and so happy the system was changing. My male colleagues were a mix -- some supported me, some less so. But I think all accepted that changes needed to be made.

    That law should have had a sunset built into it, though. To keep it "forever" invites abuse that grows over time.
    , @Achmed E. Newman

    Good question. Back in the 70-80′s women & minorities were trying to break into the business etc world. There WAS discrimination based on gender & race. It was positive to prioritise women & minorities when merit was the first priority. It was an effort to change a culture. Simply, to give everyone a “fair go”.
     
    That's wrong. You shouldn't write about it, if you weren't around then and don't make an effort to get the truth. This stuff started way back in the early 1970's. I know a guy personally who was not able to get his dream job spinning records at a small country music radio station, because the boss was required to hire a black guy to satisfy the FCC. Did I mention already it was a country music radio station? Yeah, white men have been getting screwed (just the direct screwing of losing out on job positions) for over 4 decades.

    Nobody was discriminating against black people with equal merit back in the 1970's - that's a load of crap. BTW, I also know that my friend would not have had a chance of getting hired at the black radio station, even if he wanted to spin whatever music they wre playing. There was no FCC rule going that direction.
    , @TrevorSedis
    >" Back in the 70-80′s women & minorities were trying to break into the business etc world. There WAS discrimination based on gender & race."

    So the gubmint put its finger on the justice scales and helped women enter the tradition outside-the-home men's world.

    When will the same gubmint do the same to give men equal rights IN the home, especially post-divorce?
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  5. wayfarer says:

    Explaining the Spread of Black Anger
    The Black Male Martyrs Brigade Has Awakened and is On the March

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    • Replies: @dc.sunsets
    The only reason BLM-style mayhem continues is that social mood (reflected by the stock averages) remains absurdly high, and coincides with a belief that "we can easily afford the replacement costs."

    Wait until this Long Boom ends (and high living standards turned out to be entirely enabled by using the National Mastercard(tm).)

    Blacks (and browns and Asians and MENAs) expect to obtain APPEASEMENT.

    Not this time. Not soon.

    Do we know what the Good Guys do to swarming zombies?
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  6. wayfarer says:

    Explaining the Spread of Brown Anger
    The Brown Martyrs Brigade Has Awakened and is On the March

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  7. Realist says:

    “No wonder Trump received such enthusiastic welcomes by white males—the anger has been silently boiling for decades and this was perhaps the first instance where it could be expressed albeit indirectly.”

    Whites need to do more than get mad….they need to make changes.

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  8. One of my children calls me a racist.
    Now I’m not the only one, when they speak with friends many complain about racist parents.
    My racism began when coloured Dutch began to interfere with an age old Dutch children’s festivity, on Dec 5 Sinterklaas arrives on a steam boat from Spain, seated on deck on his white horse, that rides the rooftops, while his assistants, Black Petes, throw gifts through the chimneys.
    These coloured Dutch feel offended by the Black Petes, it reminds them of the slavery of their ancestors, slavery abolished around 1870, but what explains their discrimination and lack of economic success to this very day.
    We now have metal detectors and riot police protecting the arrival of Sinterklaas, each autumn again the discussion about if Black Petes are allowed.
    These Dutch coloured people alas know nothing about Dutch history, on our islands in the North a heathen tradition with Black Petes survives to this very day.
    That I feel offended by these couloured Dutch, does not seem to matter.

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    There's no such thing as "coloured Dutch." There may be Africans living in the Netherlands, they may even have citizenship, but they are not Dutch by any stretch of the imagination. True story, I had a cat that was born in, and lived in, the barn. It wasn't magically a horse because of that - it was still just a cat.
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  9. lyrker says:

    Is your name really Robert Weissberg? Is English your first language? Have you not realized the SAT is scored at 2400 now?

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    • Replies: @JerseyJeffersonian
    Well, lyrker, it was scored at 2400, but only from 2005 to 2015. As of 2016, it is again scored at 1600.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAT

    Look for yourself. Under the "History" section you can see that this is so.

    But, given that Mr. Weissberg was largely referring to the period of time when the governmental and societal pressures were ramping up for forced diversity, the score maximum was 1600. You should feel more than a little silly for your unjustified ad hominems against Mr. Weissberg given this indisputable fact.

    Maybe you are just a shitlib, and such is only to be expected from those who can't think straight, and are not concerned with accuracy. In fact, given that your handle has no recent commenting history, I think that you are just some pissed off troll. Back under the bridge with you.
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  10. mr.wiffle says:

    The real problem with AA isn’t the occasional less competitive white applicant losing out to an even lower scoring minority. It’s the subjective aspects of AA that cause constant inconvenience, conflict and even ridiculous manipulations to level the playing field. The most recent and ridiculous example being the expansion of gender categories along with custom pronouns.

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  11. I do my part by checking the African American box on all those official forms. It helps skew the results of that group upwards so that it looks like there is even less justification for the leg up. Call it the Dolezal Coefficient.

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    Fantastic. Will start doing.
    , @RadicalCenter
    Anyone whose genetic test revealed even one percent “Iberian”or “Spain/Portugal” should check Hispanic. If there is ethnic / racial or cultural bias by some Hispanics in favor of Hispanics, let us benefit from these ungrateful invaders’ bias.
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  12. The article harps on one reason for white anger, i.e., “diversity,” but never seems to really incriminate a basc source of coercion which is big government.

    Additionally, while the article makes many good points, I gotta tell ya that there is much more to white anger than having “diversity” rammed down our throats.

    One could easily write a small book listing other reasons, but I’ll just touch on a very few. Please note that I’m not whining about any of this, I’m simply defending my argument that there’s more to it than mere “diversity.”

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    One of the biggest sources of anger is likely the uneasy feeling that the system doesn’t work as advertised, and never really has. There’s been a relentless erosion of freedom, overall loss of opportunity, a loss of personal authority, power, and respect. White males, especially, have long been an object of ridicule, (e.g. Archie Bunker) and some of it is deserved. It’s deserved because the low life scum that invariably finds itself in positions of power is usually white and they’re typically corrupt and arrogant, mendacious, power hungry, narcissistic, sadists who routinely make fools of themselves and worse, so they are not only ridiculous but loathsome, and deserve contempt, not respect. Thus there is little to identify with and virtually no one who truly represents the ‘good” whites.

    Whites are also tired of being duped, lied to and exploited. Many would say that the claim of exploitation is a bit over the top, but it’s not, even tho few have the courage to admit they’ve always been suckers who’ve been used for the benefit of the 1%.

    Again, I’m just explaining, not complaining. Overall, whites are getting a small taste of the treatment that blacks and browns often have, and that can’t sit well especially with people who’ve think they deserve special treatment and like to fantasize that they’re superior in every way when it’s so obvious that we are not.

    For other sources of white anger all one has to do is watch a few George Carlin vids.

    I could go on, but this comment is already way too long.

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    • Replies: @JackOH
    Good points, js. You put a good brake on some of the arguments made here, including my own. Reality is that an unknown percentage of people who are hired by irregular means, such as crony and patronage practices, including ethnic affinity and family relations, do okay, grow into their jobs, and earn the reasonable respect of their peers, superiors, and subordinates. Likewise, the determination of quality of applicant by ordinary standards of merit and seniority can be a bear.
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  13. “Racism” is he lynch-pin of this massive shake-down. Proposal: make an operational definition of “racism” and punish anyone who misuses it. Suddenly, the accusations would stop.

    See: http://fosterspeak.blogspot.com/2017/07/against-anti-racism-and-hemeneutics-of.html

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    • Replies: @James Speaks
    My recent experience at a so-called progressive insurance company headquartered near Tampa, FL demonstrated that the AA hires consider themselves to be more privileged than the whites who actually did the work. Everyday, all day, you could look around the office and see ten to twenty AA types standing around, laughing, making noise, and becoming abusive to anyone who complained. I had one huge ape tell me I had to learn "the Atlanta stomp." He did not reply when I asked what that meant.

    I think the article needs to include white anger among the whites who have to work with the AA and whose work suffers as a result.

    If permitted to stereotype, these packs of AA do-nothings resembled hyenas more than any human.
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  14. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Finally, better proofreading this week. Mr. Weissberg also has presented a formally proper essay that should give pause to those with whom he disagrees, unlike his previous “NFL’s Anthem Crisis” that used a passing divide & conquer controversy to tee up another round of whack-a-black.

    Let’s hope the comments follow suit.

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  15. sample says:

    The Country is now run by minorities at the expense of the majority.

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  16. When I became a New York City firefighter in 1962, the entrance exam was a multiple choice test on civics and science. The physical exam was a rigorous challenge that most people would have to train for months before, for instance, to get the top score, one had to lift ninety pounds with one arm and seventy pounds with the other. Both tests were graded and the average of the two determined your place on the list. Nowadays, because of a court order to diversify, the written exam tests are largely questions supposedly probing the psychological makeup of the applicant that one would have to be an idiot not to recognize the response wanted. The physical has been largely degraded so that more women can pass it and it is not graded, one simply has to do the minimum to pass. Recently, a black recruit failed probationary school three times and was given a fourth chance. Make of it what you will.

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    Not long ago I'd read that the pass level for one major city's multiple choice exam had been lowered to essentially getting 25 right out of 100. Since there were four possible choices to each question, the pass rate had been set to random chance. A chimp pushing a button or a horse clomping his front hoof could meet minimum standards as readily as an informed human. Now that would be a diverse fire department!
    , @Ash
    About a decade ago a Los Angeles Fire Department captain won a $3.75 million dollar lawsuit after he was retaliated against for not giving a female recruit preferential treatment during training. He thought she should have to achieve what male recruits have to achieve. After all, it is a physically strenuous job and anybody not qualified to do it may cost a life. The city, desperate for diversity, didn't agree and took numerous measures against him. Thankfully the jury agreed with the captain.

    This episode made him so popular with his fellow firefighters that he soon became president of the Los Angeles firefighters union.
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  17. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Explaining the Spread of White Anger

    Affirmative action is just a tiny part of the explanation. It’s just one of the tools in the programme of White Genocide. As a European, I will not allow my homeland to be overrun – and ultimately conquered through bloodshed – by low IQ hostiles. This is basic survival and no amount of job opportunities can “fix” my “anger”.

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    "As a European, I will not allow my homeland to be overrun – and ultimately conquered through bloodshed – by low IQ hostiles. This is basic survival and no amount of job opportunities can “fix” my “anger”."

    How exactly do you intend to accomplish this worthwhile goal? Inquiring minds would like to know.
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  18. Another reason whites are angry is that the systems they erroneously believed were set up for their benefit have not been working out exactly as they hoped.

    Even worse is the fact that those systems have been used against their interests, yet they keep supporting them anyway, and keep getting disappointed with the results!

    It looks to me that we’re paying for our stupidity and don’t like it a bit, which we shouldn’t.

    No statist will get any sympathy from me!

    PS: I get a kick out of the fact while “diversity” is all the rage, it applies mainly to relatively superficial physical attributes.

    Diversity of opinion, however, shall not be tolerated!!!

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  19. You are making a huge mistake if you limit the effects of affirmative action to elite college hiring and admissions. Affirmative action cuts through every level of society, and I argue that it’s far more of an issue at the lower and middle rungs of society, where most Americans work and live. In many companies, this is the level where you will find their black employees, supervisors, and managers. It’s not exactly pleasant to be white in such a situation, and your chances of working your way up from the bottom are slim, no matter how competent or willing to work you are. You could also examine how whites are treated in minority majority cities. Reverse discrimination is just the tip of the iceberg.

    To gloss over the full scope and scale of affirmative action is to mock the situation of many of the victims of affirmative action. If you really wish to be honest about “white anger,” you would look at the racial violence and rapes directed at whites, and ignored or justified, by the elites and media, as well as the completely unwarranted, unwanted, and undemocratic cultural and demographic changes forced upon the nation/whites over the last 50 years.

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  20. JackOH says:
    @jacques sheete
    The article harps on one reason for white anger, i.e., "diversity," but never seems to really incriminate a basc source of coercion which is big government.

    Additionally, while the article makes many good points, I gotta tell ya that there is much more to white anger than having "diversity" rammed down our throats.

    One could easily write a small book listing other reasons, but I'll just touch on a very few. Please note that I'm not whining about any of this, I'm simply defending my argument that there's more to it than mere "diversity."

    One of the biggest sources of anger is likely the uneasy feeling that the system doesn't work as advertised, and never really has. There's been a relentless erosion of freedom, overall loss of opportunity, a loss of personal authority, power, and respect. White males, especially, have long been an object of ridicule, (e.g. Archie Bunker) and some of it is deserved. It's deserved because the low life scum that invariably finds itself in positions of power is usually white and they're typically corrupt and arrogant, mendacious, power hungry, narcissistic, sadists who routinely make fools of themselves and worse, so they are not only ridiculous but loathsome, and deserve contempt, not respect. Thus there is little to identify with and virtually no one who truly represents the 'good" whites.

    Whites are also tired of being duped, lied to and exploited. Many would say that the claim of exploitation is a bit over the top, but it's not, even tho few have the courage to admit they've always been suckers who've been used for the benefit of the 1%.

    Again, I'm just explaining, not complaining. Overall, whites are getting a small taste of the treatment that blacks and browns often have, and that can't sit well especially with people who've think they deserve special treatment and like to fantasize that they're superior in every way when it's so obvious that we are not.

    For other sources of white anger all one has to do is watch a few George Carlin vids.

    I could go on, but this comment is already way too long.

    Good points, js. You put a good brake on some of the arguments made here, including my own. Reality is that an unknown percentage of people who are hired by irregular means, such as crony and patronage practices, including ethnic affinity and family relations, do okay, grow into their jobs, and earn the reasonable respect of their peers, superiors, and subordinates. Likewise, the determination of quality of applicant by ordinary standards of merit and seniority can be a bear.

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    Thanks!

    Once again , those yapping about "diversity" are howling about the symptoms without even considering the causes.

    I'm as steamed about the results of government coerced favoritism, whether it be special favors granted to women or some minority or bailouts to bankers, but I don't see any of this changing because we keep sucking up to a system that keeps sucking the life out of us.

    We keep putting our faith in a pack of corrupt parasitic hyenas and whine and wonder about wha' happunned.

    It's our own fault.
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  21. TG says:

    Indeed – but be careful what you wish for, you may get it.

    India has a terrible educational system – about half the country is illiterate. But the other half is still bigger than the entire United States, they are desperately poor, and there are tens if not hundreds of millions of children who have been trained from birth only to excel at standardized tests for just the slim change of escaping that overpopulated land. And unlike the much more prosperous Chinese, they speak English and there is no language barrier! All by themselves, Indian nationals could soon fill every academic position in the United States with people who have perfect test scores.

    As the barriers between the overpopulated third world and the United States continue to be swept away, it may soon be the children of liberal upper-middle class white Americans who are clamoring for affirmative action – or at least, for less reliance on standardized test scores.

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    what me worry? India's national IQ average is 82.
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  22. vera says:
    @animalogic
    Regardless of how "affirmative action" is defined in principle & practice it should NEVER be prioritised over the merit principle. Merit is the bedrock of modern culture.
    However:
    "Simply put, if diversity is so wonderful, and in the self-interest of universities and businesses, why must it be imposed forcefully? "
    Good question. Back in the 70-80's women & minorities were trying to break into the business etc world. There WAS discrimination based on gender & race. It was positive to prioritise women & minorities when merit was the first priority. It was an effort to change a culture. Simply, to give everyone a "fair go".
    The culture has moved on since then. Equality, but based on merit, should be accepted.
    Diversity, for diversity's sake, is ridiculous. "Diversity" is now a blunt instrument wielded by the identity politics crowd for their own political benefit.

    I was once one of those women who were hired into and trained for a job that had been reserved for males. I was so proud, and so happy the system was changing. My male colleagues were a mix — some supported me, some less so. But I think all accepted that changes needed to be made.

    That law should have had a sunset built into it, though. To keep it “forever” invites abuse that grows over time.

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    You can thank that worthless twit Sandra Day O'Connor. Actually, there is no law. It is just executive level actions that are upheld in court challenges by idiots like O'Connor.
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  23. @geokat62

    What makes this coerced diversity so hard to swallow is that its purpose rests on a plain-to-see but impossible to express fraud—the alleged benefits of diversity. Indeed, the elite’s obsessive proclamations of this lie far more closely resemble propaganda than celebrating a cliché-like truth... and it is hard to imagine a bigger lie than “Diversity is Our Strength.”
     
    Why the use of the nebulous term "elites"? Why not call a spade a spade and admit that “Diversity is Our Strength" is a tagline of the Anti-Defamation League (ADL)?

    Why not tell your readers that, after working away at it for 100 years, it was the domestic wing of The Lobby that was responsible for getting the non-restrictionist immigration act passed in 1965, which is the biggest reason the US has become such a multicultural society?

    This information would have been a useful backdrop to this article.

    No, it’s not just the Jews or all about the Jews. The Gentiles up at the top of the power pyramid decided on mass, non-White immigration, de facto and de jure multiculturalism and Affirmative Action before the Jews came to predominate the way they did until perhaps this year. Have a look at the consensus that formed on all this from around the mid-1960s to mid-1970s. At it’s heart, it was an attempt to keep the momentum of the First and Second Industrial Revolutions, and the postwar “Glorious Thirty”, going after it would have faded out on its own.

    So much of this anti-White, anti-male, anti-majority culture stuff is the toxic distillation of a bunch of hype and happy talk the powerful starting pumping out back then. Mass media, mass education and the think-tank industry made it possible to promote women going into the paid workforce, mass exotic immigration, Affirmative Action and all the other policies needed to keep the ponzi scheme economy of the West going a little longer.

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    No, it’s not just the Jews or all about the Jews. The Gentiles up at the top of the power pyramid decided on mass, non-White immigration, de facto and de jure multiculturalism and Affirmative Action before the Jews came to predominate the way they did until perhaps this year. Have a look at the consensus that formed on all this from around the mid-1960s to mid-1970s.
     
    Interesting. I wasn't aware of this. Here's my source that demonstrates the role of The Lobby in pushing through the non-restrictionist immigration act of 1965:

    Jewish Involvement in Shaping American Immigration Policy, 1881-1965: A Historical Review

    Kevin MacDonald

    California State University-Long Beach

    This paper discusses Jewish involvement in shaping United States immigration policy. In addition to a periodic interest in fostering the immigration of co-religionists as a result of anti-Semitic movements, Jews have an interest in opposing the establishment of ethnically and culturally homogeneous societies in which they reside as minorities. Jews have been at the forefront in supporting movements aimed at altering the ethnic status quo in the United States in favor of immigration of non-European peoples. These activities have involved leadership in Congress, organizing and funding anti-restrictionist groups composed of Jews and gentiles, and originating intellectual movements opposed to evolutionary and biological perspectives in the social sciences.

    http://www.kevinmacdonald.net/immigration.pdf
     

    Can you point me to any of the sources that support your claim?
    , @Timmy T Bone
    You are wrong about the Jews. The Jews have been deeply entrenched in the elite since before WW1. During the Wilson administration, many powerful Jews got into the Federal govmt. During Roosevelt there was even more.

    The WASP's in the US have been in bed with them for decades. Either they were genuinely sympathetic to the whole multicultural thing or they were bought and paid for by these people. Just like today.

    Who has authored a ton of the immigration bills including the one from 1965 that has destroyed the US? Was it the Irish? The Poles? How about the Swedes. The Gentile elite may not have had to do but like I said they were in bed with them. The Jews in the US have been actively pushing open immigration since before WW1.

    Before someone screeches about anti-semitism go read up on the Jews role in WW2 in the US. They were deeply embedded in all the govmt agencies and heavily influenced policy in Europe both during and after the war. Go look up the Morganthau plan and what he wanted to be done to Germany after the war. This is not conjecture - its a fact.
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  24. Joe Hide says:

    As always, identifiers of the main murderous, narcissitic, pyschopaths making this anti-merit based agenda happen is necessary. They’ve used the old divide and conquer strategy of group blame for millennia, “It’s them whites, or it’s them blacks, or Jews, or etc.etc etc. Cell phone aps which identify these creeps with retinal scanning, pulse rate changes, facial and body language indicators is an easy & cheap development given today’s level of technological advancement. Guess who will oppose its inevitable adoption the most?

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  25. macilrae says:
    @Nepemnr
    I think the aff.-act. hire at the fire dept will produce significantly more than just one jilted stakeholder.

    Two others I can think of are the other firemen who must now suffer him, and the community who feels less secure (I personally avoid black doctors, sorry).

    But I take your point in the article. There is a plain-to-see grievancehood that's emerging among whites.

    Two others I can think of are the other firemen who must now suffer him, and the community who feels less secure (I personally avoid black doctors, sorry).

    Just so – reminds my of how my mom, presenting at emergency with a partially paralyzed left arm and leg, was told “I don’t think this is a stroke” by the African resident – and left to wait it out until the CT confirmation the following day.

    It would be instructive to see how some of the hardened advocates of affirmative action would behave if given the black-or-white choice on a critical medical issue.

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    I didn't say I ignore them completely; I was merely conveying a policy.
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  26. reverse racism is the cause.

    policies like affirmative actions angers everyone who doesn’t benefit from it. calling it egalitarian has got to be the biggest joke ever. might as well bring back communism in that case.

    equal opportunity is 100% fine. having quotas/caps is not fine. giving a race a 20% leg up is not fine. these all run contrary to equal opportunity.

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  27. revjen45 says:

    I check the Native American box – I was born here.

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  28. Aardvark says:

    I always thought AA came about as a result of polys realizing they couldn’t fix the education system to produce better results for some groups. Perhaps they didn’t want to fix it. Hence AA was designed to smooth this over by forced hiring. It also served as a method to assure votes for the party that championed it.

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  29. wayfarer says:

    Would an angry male negroid albino, qualify for the Black Male Martyrs Brigade and/or the White Male Martyrs Brigade?

    source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negroid

    BTW, you ain’t seen serious melanin anger, until you’ve witnessed a Yellow Martyrs Brigade.

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  30. It is the fact that the entirety of the social system seems designed to put white men in their place.

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    ...to put white men in their place?

    You mean to kick them out of their place.
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  31. geokat62 says:
    @Cagey Beast
    No, it's not just the Jews or all about the Jews. The Gentiles up at the top of the power pyramid decided on mass, non-White immigration, de facto and de jure multiculturalism and Affirmative Action before the Jews came to predominate the way they did until perhaps this year. Have a look at the consensus that formed on all this from around the mid-1960s to mid-1970s. At it's heart, it was an attempt to keep the momentum of the First and Second Industrial Revolutions, and the postwar "Glorious Thirty", going after it would have faded out on its own.

    So much of this anti-White, anti-male, anti-majority culture stuff is the toxic distillation of a bunch of hype and happy talk the powerful starting pumping out back then. Mass media, mass education and the think-tank industry made it possible to promote women going into the paid workforce, mass exotic immigration, Affirmative Action and all the other policies needed to keep the ponzi scheme economy of the West going a little longer.

    No, it’s not just the Jews or all about the Jews. The Gentiles up at the top of the power pyramid decided on mass, non-White immigration, de facto and de jure multiculturalism and Affirmative Action before the Jews came to predominate the way they did until perhaps this year. Have a look at the consensus that formed on all this from around the mid-1960s to mid-1970s.

    Interesting. I wasn’t aware of this. Here’s my source that demonstrates the role of The Lobby in pushing through the non-restrictionist immigration act of 1965:

    Jewish Involvement in Shaping American Immigration Policy, 1881-1965: A Historical Review

    Kevin MacDonald

    California State University-Long Beach

    This paper discusses Jewish involvement in shaping United States immigration policy. In addition to a periodic interest in fostering the immigration of co-religionists as a result of anti-Semitic movements, Jews have an interest in opposing the establishment of ethnically and culturally homogeneous societies in which they reside as minorities. Jews have been at the forefront in supporting movements aimed at altering the ethnic status quo in the United States in favor of immigration of non-European peoples. These activities have involved leadership in Congress, organizing and funding anti-restrictionist groups composed of Jews and gentiles, and originating intellectual movements opposed to evolutionary and biological perspectives in the social sciences.

    http://www.kevinmacdonald.net/immigration.pdf

    Can you point me to any of the sources that support your claim?

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    Ted Kennedy (Roman Catholic) was a big supporter of changing the immigration laws. Jews played a part, but the bigger parts are always played by the Roman Catholic Church, and today the Zioevangizers.
    , @TomSchmidt
    There's an indirect reference in Peter Drucker's Management Challenges for the 21st Century, in which he mentions one big challenge is the demographic stasis and decline in the West. Dealing with this in a just way, he says, will be a challenge, since for hundreds of years the prevailing business strategy has been to count on "growth."

    Sadly, the elites elected not to take on this challenge. It's not coincidental, I think, that the last year of the baby boom was 1964, with successively declining birth cohorts for every year from 1956 onwards. If you're a man who thinks "what's good for GM is good for America," and what's good for GM is more people buying more cars living in more suburbs, then the drop in population growth in the 60s is a problem. The immigration reform act of 1965 can thus be seen as a big business attempt to keep the "growth engine" on a finite planet going forever.
    , @Cagey Beast
    I just read the reply of @TomSchmidt and agree with it. The best place to find an overview of the cult of growth and the West's addiction to mass immigration would be in the work of it's critics. The Peak Prosperity website springs to mind.
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  32. Nepemnr says: • Website
    @macilrae

    Two others I can think of are the other firemen who must now suffer him, and the community who feels less secure (I personally avoid black doctors, sorry).
     
    Just so - reminds my of how my mom, presenting at emergency with a partially paralyzed left arm and leg, was told "I don't think this is a stroke" by the African resident - and left to wait it out until the CT confirmation the following day.

    It would be instructive to see how some of the hardened advocates of affirmative action would behave if given the black-or-white choice on a critical medical issue.

    I didn’t say I ignore them completely; I was merely conveying a policy.

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  33. I reject the premise of the “angry” white man, both by mainstream and by this article. It is a construct to add a negative flavor to any kind of pushback, but it isn’t real in the largest sense.

    Most American whites have –family, friends, coworkers, bosses, idolized sports stars, etc.etc– who have different skin color. We all just get along. My goodness, we even elected a black president.

    I think MOST white americans for the last couple generations have put up with the legislative and cultural moves detailed in this article because they felt it was the right thing to do and it would actually help heal the country.

    Barack Obama failed miserably to close the deal on race relations. Instead he chose to reemphasize self serving identity politics, and now we have Clarance Thomas among others publically questioning whether the whole country is broken forever. Good job Obama. FAIL.

    I think the white pushback identified by some is attributable to factors other than race. It is fake news designed to serve the identity politics crowd, and this author is wrong.

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    Why are whites angry?
     
    They're less angry now than they have ever been. In the past, they weren't burning crosses and lynching people out of sheer joy. And there was no Affirmative Action back then.
    , @joe webb
    Spencer from the amren piece: ." This seems to be a First Amendment issue.”

    It seems more likely a shouting fire in a crowded theatre issue.

    Of course, if you want to kill off the White insurrection, aka Trumpism, then let Spencer do his little jew dance...so, because they love it. Good for the Jews. Good for the liberals and race traitors.

    Spencer will burn out. Like Orban having the good sense to throw him in jail a year or so and then expel him as a danger to whites.

    Joe Webb

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  35. @TonyVodvarka
    When I became a New York City firefighter in 1962, the entrance exam was a multiple choice test on civics and science. The physical exam was a rigorous challenge that most people would have to train for months before, for instance, to get the top score, one had to lift ninety pounds with one arm and seventy pounds with the other. Both tests were graded and the average of the two determined your place on the list. Nowadays, because of a court order to diversify, the written exam tests are largely questions supposedly probing the psychological makeup of the applicant that one would have to be an idiot not to recognize the response wanted. The physical has been largely degraded so that more women can pass it and it is not graded, one simply has to do the minimum to pass. Recently, a black recruit failed probationary school three times and was given a fourth chance. Make of it what you will.

    Not long ago I’d read that the pass level for one major city’s multiple choice exam had been lowered to essentially getting 25 right out of 100. Since there were four possible choices to each question, the pass rate had been set to random chance. A chimp pushing a button or a horse clomping his front hoof could meet minimum standards as readily as an informed human. Now that would be a diverse fire department!

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  36. Whom will progs side with?

    White girl or black security guard?

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    They'll ignore it, just like they ignore all of the incidents of football players at Baylor, Boise State, Vanderbilt, Oklahoma, Missouri, etc. assaulting white co-eds. After all, Hillary's under attack by Russian spies! So look over there!
    , @Ozymandias
    "Whom will progs side with?

    White girl or black security guard?"

    While they were carrying her out, she slapped the security guard. She got exactly what she deserved.
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  37. @geokat62

    No, it’s not just the Jews or all about the Jews. The Gentiles up at the top of the power pyramid decided on mass, non-White immigration, de facto and de jure multiculturalism and Affirmative Action before the Jews came to predominate the way they did until perhaps this year. Have a look at the consensus that formed on all this from around the mid-1960s to mid-1970s.
     
    Interesting. I wasn't aware of this. Here's my source that demonstrates the role of The Lobby in pushing through the non-restrictionist immigration act of 1965:

    Jewish Involvement in Shaping American Immigration Policy, 1881-1965: A Historical Review

    Kevin MacDonald

    California State University-Long Beach

    This paper discusses Jewish involvement in shaping United States immigration policy. In addition to a periodic interest in fostering the immigration of co-religionists as a result of anti-Semitic movements, Jews have an interest in opposing the establishment of ethnically and culturally homogeneous societies in which they reside as minorities. Jews have been at the forefront in supporting movements aimed at altering the ethnic status quo in the United States in favor of immigration of non-European peoples. These activities have involved leadership in Congress, organizing and funding anti-restrictionist groups composed of Jews and gentiles, and originating intellectual movements opposed to evolutionary and biological perspectives in the social sciences.

    http://www.kevinmacdonald.net/immigration.pdf
     

    Can you point me to any of the sources that support your claim?

    Ted Kennedy (Roman Catholic) was a big supporter of changing the immigration laws. Jews played a part, but the bigger parts are always played by the Roman Catholic Church, and today the Zioevangizers.

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    The word you're looking for is "Shabbos."
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  38. @geokat62

    No, it’s not just the Jews or all about the Jews. The Gentiles up at the top of the power pyramid decided on mass, non-White immigration, de facto and de jure multiculturalism and Affirmative Action before the Jews came to predominate the way they did until perhaps this year. Have a look at the consensus that formed on all this from around the mid-1960s to mid-1970s.
     
    Interesting. I wasn't aware of this. Here's my source that demonstrates the role of The Lobby in pushing through the non-restrictionist immigration act of 1965:

    Jewish Involvement in Shaping American Immigration Policy, 1881-1965: A Historical Review

    Kevin MacDonald

    California State University-Long Beach

    This paper discusses Jewish involvement in shaping United States immigration policy. In addition to a periodic interest in fostering the immigration of co-religionists as a result of anti-Semitic movements, Jews have an interest in opposing the establishment of ethnically and culturally homogeneous societies in which they reside as minorities. Jews have been at the forefront in supporting movements aimed at altering the ethnic status quo in the United States in favor of immigration of non-European peoples. These activities have involved leadership in Congress, organizing and funding anti-restrictionist groups composed of Jews and gentiles, and originating intellectual movements opposed to evolutionary and biological perspectives in the social sciences.

    http://www.kevinmacdonald.net/immigration.pdf
     

    Can you point me to any of the sources that support your claim?

    There’s an indirect reference in Peter Drucker’s Management Challenges for the 21st Century, in which he mentions one big challenge is the demographic stasis and decline in the West. Dealing with this in a just way, he says, will be a challenge, since for hundreds of years the prevailing business strategy has been to count on “growth.”

    Sadly, the elites elected not to take on this challenge. It’s not coincidental, I think, that the last year of the baby boom was 1964, with successively declining birth cohorts for every year from 1956 onwards. If you’re a man who thinks “what’s good for GM is good for America,” and what’s good for GM is more people buying more cars living in more suburbs, then the drop in population growth in the 60s is a problem. The immigration reform act of 1965 can thus be seen as a big business attempt to keep the “growth engine” on a finite planet going forever.

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    Why did the corposations not encourage the American population to have more kids? It seems, they encouraged the opposite by their support of universities what push feminism and Cultural Marxism.
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  39. “Egalitarian” = discrimination against white males?

    Adopting the Orwellian double speak of tyrants concedes the field before the battle. Call it racism when it is. Not reverse racism. Racism.

    You can’t transform racism into something else by giving it a different name.

    “Diversity” – same thing. It means the opposite. With diversity, and most especially between genders we would see one gender doing things it prefers and the other gender doing what it prefers. Not that they all be the same.

    Erasing the diversity between men and women and calling it diversity is double speak. There is no tolerance for diversity in political beliefs on campuses now, and that is a far more important issue to tolarate diversity. Erasing diversity in political beliefs, between genders and race, insisting there are no differences when 2.5 million years of evolutionary genetics proves the opposite – it’s tyrannical mind control Orwell described.

    Through the control of language. “Politically Correct” language.

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    Truly Excellent observation and comment Bob! Pipe up more often sir
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  40. Thomas Sowell, in Knowledge and Decisions, Explicitly states that he does not believe in AA. But he also makes the point that, economically, it is inefficient and fundamentally unfair.

    You may or may not believe blacks are due reparations for slavery (Sowell brings up the idea that blacks might, fairly, be forced to pay reparations to whites for their better economic circumstances in the USA than Africa), but one can understand in the 60s that American policy was to try to do something to help blacks (despite the improving data for them from the 30s through the early 60s.) if this was the case, Sowell argues, then he only proper way to do it was through reparations, where the whole of society paid for the benefits received by blacks.

    AA has led to the situation where top-echelon whites, who do not need to fear competition from mid-tier blacks, can appear to be justice warriors in behalf of blacks. They get th benefit of appearing to help blacks, while mid-tier whites are the ones who actually pay for those benefits, a profoundly unjust situation, Sowell argues. In fact, AA becomes a weapon that elite whites can use to eliminate competition from lower-echelon whites, and so garners their support.

    That a black man made this argument was stunning.

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    "They [top-echelon whites] get the benefit of appearing to help blacks, while mid-tier whites are the ones who actually pay for those benefits, a profoundly unjust situation, Sowell argues."

    Tom, thanks. The "distortion" or "gaming" of affirmative action to achieve a new political equilibrium that's not clearly known to AA's beneficiaries or those harmed by AA may be something of a mortal sin of this rotten idea. Plus, I think many of us reading here know the rare but ugly spectacle of a dubiously qualified AA hire "acting out" against colleagues, and with the race or sex card implicitly at hand.

    We need more public discussion of affirmative action, but, as with so much today, the mere mention there may be fundamental problems with a specific policy is like touching a 440-volt power line.

    , @Unladen Swallow
    He has also made the point that most of the benefits of AA accrue disproportionately to the black elite in this country. Now however that in the context of university admissions this often means elite blacks from the Caribbean and Africa getting a hugely disproportionate share of spots at elite universities over not rich native blacks. I did see once in the mainstream media ( Maybe late 90's early 00's, maybe in a business magazine ) a very in depth look at how rich blacks game the system. A well off black businessman had money but was not a big time player in his industry, however because big company A was about to be bought by bigger company B, this acquiring company needed a black "owner" to be involved in the transaction in order to secure regulatory approval.

    The bigger company either gave him a contract with them or gave him a small equity stake ( I don't remember for sure ) but this front guy walked away with many times ( At least a factor of 5 ) increase in his net worth merely for being a necessary legal fiction for federal approval. This guy was already affluent, but now because a program justified in the name of helping poor blacks was now a multimillionaire. The money was tip money to the multinationals involved, but a lot of money to an individual who could position themselves to benefit from AA.

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  41. Okechukwu says:

    Let’s see, Trump got roughly the same percentage of the white male vote as Romney. So there goes that theory.

    White men are prime beneficiaries of Affirmative Action via white women. Adding to that white privilege and institutionalized advantage makes for a powerful combination.

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    Same percentage, but was there a difference in voter turnout?
    , @Disordered
    Percentage is not the same as voter turnout in absolute numbers. Which was much higher for Trump in that group, even when controlling for population growth. Trump also got not only a higher turnout but also a higher percentage of white women and minorities than many thought. Plus consider that there was higher absenteeism than in 2012, specially among liberals and centrists; and that many on the fence gave enough votes to Gary Cannabis Johnson in key battleground districts, or simply became Trump Democrats.

    I do concede that this strategy might lose in the long run due to the wall not being built... yet.

    Interesting pseudo-theory about affirmative action. By your logic, black males are even more advantaged since in the affirmative action ladder black women > white women. Then again, you just might want to try to explain why so many black men want white women.
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  42. lavoisier says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    Explaining the Spread of White Anger
     
    Affirmative action is just a tiny part of the explanation. It's just one of the tools in the programme of White Genocide. As a European, I will not allow my homeland to be overrun - and ultimately conquered through bloodshed - by low IQ hostiles. This is basic survival and no amount of job opportunities can "fix" my "anger".

    “As a European, I will not allow my homeland to be overrun – and ultimately conquered through bloodshed – by low IQ hostiles. This is basic survival and no amount of job opportunities can “fix” my “anger”.”

    How exactly do you intend to accomplish this worthwhile goal? Inquiring minds would like to know.

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    Anonymous: As a European, I will not allow my homeland to be overrun – and ultimately conquered through bloodshed – by low IQ hostiles. This is basic survival and no amount of job opportunities can “fix” my “anger”.”

    lavoisier: How exactly do you intend to accomplish this worthwhile goal?
     
    Have children. Have lots of children. Teach them the Faith, teach them your cultural heritage, and teach them off the grid survival skills (gardening, fishing, etc.) Basically... channel your anger into sexuality and reproduction.
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  43. JackOH says:
    @TomSchmidt
    Thomas Sowell, in Knowledge and Decisions, Explicitly states that he does not believe in AA. But he also makes the point that, economically, it is inefficient and fundamentally unfair.

    You may or may not believe blacks are due reparations for slavery (Sowell brings up the idea that blacks might, fairly, be forced to pay reparations to whites for their better economic circumstances in the USA than Africa), but one can understand in the 60s that American policy was to try to do something to help blacks (despite the improving data for them from the 30s through the early 60s.) if this was the case, Sowell argues, then he only proper way to do it was through reparations, where the whole of society paid for the benefits received by blacks.

    AA has led to the situation where top-echelon whites, who do not need to fear competition from mid-tier blacks, can appear to be justice warriors in behalf of blacks. They get th benefit of appearing to help blacks, while mid-tier whites are the ones who actually pay for those benefits, a profoundly unjust situation, Sowell argues. In fact, AA becomes a weapon that elite whites can use to eliminate competition from lower-echelon whites, and so garners their support.

    That a black man made this argument was stunning.

    “They [top-echelon whites] get the benefit of appearing to help blacks, while mid-tier whites are the ones who actually pay for those benefits, a profoundly unjust situation, Sowell argues.”

    Tom, thanks. The “distortion” or “gaming” of affirmative action to achieve a new political equilibrium that’s not clearly known to AA’s beneficiaries or those harmed by AA may be something of a mortal sin of this rotten idea. Plus, I think many of us reading here know the rare but ugly spectacle of a dubiously qualified AA hire “acting out” against colleagues, and with the race or sex card implicitly at hand.

    We need more public discussion of affirmative action, but, as with so much today, the mere mention there may be fundamental problems with a specific policy is like touching a 440-volt power line.

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    It makes the fundamental case for reparations with an absolute end to affirmative action explicit. Rich white liberals (and I have met a lot of them, and they are generally not stupid and many do work hard and indeed "merit" Ivy admission) would then have to pay along with the lower-caste whites and Asians who are excluded in favor of those affirmatively helped. AA instead has become a tool that the "protected" use to oppress the unprotected, to use Peggy Noonan's terminology.

    If the cost of ending AA is $1trillion in explicit, one-time reparations, it strikes me as worth it, since of course the people who would proportionately pay more are the whites at the top of the AA and economic pole who don't have to worry about discrimination against them.
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  44. Okechukwu says:
    @Priss Factor
    Why are whites angry?

    https://www.amren.com/news/2017/11/federal-building-d-c-rejects-richard-spencers-request-host-conference/

    Why are whites angry?

    They’re less angry now than they have ever been. In the past, they weren’t burning crosses and lynching people out of sheer joy. And there was no Affirmative Action back then.

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    They're certainly less violent. As are Asians.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/entertainment/books/the-better-angels-of-our-nature-why-violence-has-declined-by-steven-pinker/2011/08/17/gIQA0VNmTL_story.html?utm_term=.bbc4f236b2cb



    "Statistics, however, also deceive. Pinker’s avalanche of evidence camouflages dodgy analysis. For instance, he frequently mentions that blacks in America are peculiarly susceptible to violence. Statistics bear that out, but the painful truths that lie beneath those raw numbers need careful handling. Instead, Pinker cites the connection between matrimony and passivity, arguing that blacks are violent in part because they are notoriously unenthusiastic about marriage: “Perverse welfare incentives . . . encouraged young [black] women to ‘marry the state’ instead of the fathers of their children.” Reckless analysis of this sort can foster dangerous bigotry."
    , @TomSchmidt
    In the past, they weren’t burning crosses and lynching people out of sheer joy.

    From my observations, people seem to love the self-righteous feeling of dispensing "Justice." See: any SJW clucking about some one not in touch with the narrative.
    , @anonymous

    Priss factor: Why are whites angry?

    Okecukwu: They’re less angry now than they have ever been. In the past, they weren’t burning crosses and lynching people out of sheer joy.
     

    I'm not sure they ever did.

    Just a few years ago, when mainstream conservatism still held a larger sway over my mind, I would have accepted that idea -- that some whites once burned crosses and lynched people out of sheer joy -- as an inexplicable and repulsive but true historical fact.

    But...with what I've observed over the last decade or so, I've started to wonder if perhaps the "inexplicable" abuses of the past, may have been (over)reactions to a real and long-standing problem, namely the sky high black on white crime, especially one particular type of crime, for which the black-on-white rate is documented to be several thousand times the reverse.

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  45. @jilles dykstra
    One of my children calls me a racist.
    Now I'm not the only one, when they speak with friends many complain about racist parents.
    My racism began when coloured Dutch began to interfere with an age old Dutch children's festivity, on Dec 5 Sinterklaas arrives on a steam boat from Spain, seated on deck on his white horse, that rides the rooftops, while his assistants, Black Petes, throw gifts through the chimneys.
    These coloured Dutch feel offended by the Black Petes, it reminds them of the slavery of their ancestors, slavery abolished around 1870, but what explains their discrimination and lack of economic success to this very day.
    We now have metal detectors and riot police protecting the arrival of Sinterklaas, each autumn again the discussion about if Black Petes are allowed.
    These Dutch coloured people alas know nothing about Dutch history, on our islands in the North a heathen tradition with Black Petes survives to this very day.
    That I feel offended by these couloured Dutch, does not seem to matter.

    There’s no such thing as “coloured Dutch.” There may be Africans living in the Netherlands, they may even have citizenship, but they are not Dutch by any stretch of the imagination. True story, I had a cat that was born in, and lived in, the barn. It wasn’t magically a horse because of that – it was still just a cat.

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  46. @JackOH
    Good points, js. You put a good brake on some of the arguments made here, including my own. Reality is that an unknown percentage of people who are hired by irregular means, such as crony and patronage practices, including ethnic affinity and family relations, do okay, grow into their jobs, and earn the reasonable respect of their peers, superiors, and subordinates. Likewise, the determination of quality of applicant by ordinary standards of merit and seniority can be a bear.

    Thanks!

    Once again , those yapping about “diversity” are howling about the symptoms without even considering the causes.

    I’m as steamed about the results of government coerced favoritism, whether it be special favors granted to women or some minority or bailouts to bankers, but I don’t see any of this changing because we keep sucking up to a system that keeps sucking the life out of us.

    We keep putting our faith in a pack of corrupt parasitic hyenas and whine and wonder about wha’ happunned.

    It’s our own fault.

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  47. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    The fact ENTIRELY ignored by this article is that during the 1970s the Federal Government GUARANTEED loans to Negroes. And so small, private colleges, e.g., Lewis College outside Chicago, discovered that they could SUBSTANTIALLY increase their INCOME by accepting ANY Negro who applied as long as that Negro came with GUARANTEED money. Whether the student subsequently quit prior to graduation was, and is, irrelevant. The college got cash it would not otherwise have received, and there was a HUGE incentive to offer new courses that non-White students might find interesting JUST TO GET THE CASH. This was the beginning of the end of useful education at liberal arts colleges. As more and more of the faculty taught the useless classes for students expected to drop out, all adult management of the school as an Education institution ended.

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    Palestine.
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  49. @JackOH
    "They [top-echelon whites] get the benefit of appearing to help blacks, while mid-tier whites are the ones who actually pay for those benefits, a profoundly unjust situation, Sowell argues."

    Tom, thanks. The "distortion" or "gaming" of affirmative action to achieve a new political equilibrium that's not clearly known to AA's beneficiaries or those harmed by AA may be something of a mortal sin of this rotten idea. Plus, I think many of us reading here know the rare but ugly spectacle of a dubiously qualified AA hire "acting out" against colleagues, and with the race or sex card implicitly at hand.

    We need more public discussion of affirmative action, but, as with so much today, the mere mention there may be fundamental problems with a specific policy is like touching a 440-volt power line.

    It makes the fundamental case for reparations with an absolute end to affirmative action explicit. Rich white liberals (and I have met a lot of them, and they are generally not stupid and many do work hard and indeed “merit” Ivy admission) would then have to pay along with the lower-caste whites and Asians who are excluded in favor of those affirmatively helped. AA instead has become a tool that the “protected” use to oppress the unprotected, to use Peggy Noonan’s terminology.

    If the cost of ending AA is $1trillion in explicit, one-time reparations, it strikes me as worth it, since of course the people who would proportionately pay more are the whites at the top of the AA and economic pole who don’t have to worry about discrimination against them.

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    "If the cost of ending AA is $1trillion in explicit, one-time reparations, it strikes me as worth it . . . ".

    Within the context of a new constitutional convention, I can see reparations being bruited. But, it's almost a sure bet there'll be a faction advocating that the total costs associated with African-Americans in America be considered, such as deductions for disproportionate incarceration, counter-reparations due Whites for losses due to crimes, the despoiling of urban areas, the circumstantial and very costly resettlement of Whites to the safer 'burbs, and so on. How reparations does not end in some sort of separation of Blacks from Whites, or some unknown secessional pressures is beyond me.
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  50. @Okechukwu

    Why are whites angry?
     
    They're less angry now than they have ever been. In the past, they weren't burning crosses and lynching people out of sheer joy. And there was no Affirmative Action back then.

    They’re certainly less violent. As are Asians.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/entertainment/books/the-better-angels-of-our-nature-why-violence-has-declined-by-steven-pinker/2011/08/17/gIQA0VNmTL_story.html?utm_term=.bbc4f236b2cb

    “Statistics, however, also deceive. Pinker’s avalanche of evidence camouflages dodgy analysis. For instance, he frequently mentions that blacks in America are peculiarly susceptible to violence. Statistics bear that out, but the painful truths that lie beneath those raw numbers need careful handling. Instead, Pinker cites the connection between matrimony and passivity, arguing that blacks are violent in part because they are notoriously unenthusiastic about marriage: “Perverse welfare incentives . . . encouraged young [black] women to ‘marry the state’ instead of the fathers of their children.” Reckless analysis of this sort can foster dangerous bigotry.”

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    Blacks are not violent when you consider that less than 1% of blacks will commit a violent crime in any given year, mostly gangbangers and such.

    Sorry to rain on your parade.
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  51. @Okechukwu

    Why are whites angry?
     
    They're less angry now than they have ever been. In the past, they weren't burning crosses and lynching people out of sheer joy. And there was no Affirmative Action back then.

    In the past, they weren’t burning crosses and lynching people out of sheer joy.

    From my observations, people seem to love the self-righteous feeling of dispensing “Justice.” See: any SJW clucking about some one not in touch with the narrative.

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  52. @Priss Factor
    Whom will progs side with?

    White girl or black security guard?

    https://twitter.com/CernovichNews/status/927210248376524801

    They’ll ignore it, just like they ignore all of the incidents of football players at Baylor, Boise State, Vanderbilt, Oklahoma, Missouri, etc. assaulting white co-eds. After all, Hillary’s under attack by Russian spies! So look over there!

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  53. First of all your numbers are way off and you leave all sorts of things out. Disperate impact is now law and it means actual discrimination is immaterial all that matters is quotas yes quota forget that college suit the way this actually works is some jew lawyer approaches some minorities and offers to sue for them to get paid. The lawyer only needs to prove that the percentage of minorities employed in said deep pocket institution (union, school, municipality, corporation, or industry) is less than the percentage found in the last census. That alone wins the case. The “plaintiffs” who can even be minorities that claim they were too discouraged to even apply because they knewd it was a a racist fix. Will get paid back wages from the time they would have applied if not too discouraged etc. The judge also fines the institution and appoints a special master who is too be paid by institution for his services including offices staff etc its a nice gig, and they are also jews usually a lawyer often the same lawyer and social workers etc. Now they set about making sure this never ends, do they go to say the military to find qualified minorities, maybe churches? nah they go to prisons and welfare to make sure the applicants fail out, work less hours are fired etc,

    Now come next census guess what more minorities you’re now in contempt, more back wages and fines and extend the special masters gig. Oh and the minorities (immigration) that made it, guess what they worked less hours than the whites because you guessed it racism. not because they dont show up for work, or on time, or get fired for fighting and stealing, or because they prefer collecting unemployment to full time work, or they make deals to do their overtime off the books. Nah couldnt be any of those reasons its because racism so they too get 120k checks tax free.

    And its not 1 in 6 its at least 1 of 2 because hispanics are minorities for some goddamn bs reason some wetback is entitled to a job before an american white. And it doesn’t end there at all these conditions destroy these industries. you simply can not fathom just how stupid and incompetent and dysfunctional these minorities are. Managing for almost 40 years I can say it takes about 4 times more man hours to do the same job half as well, you simply can not do the jobs properly at all anymore.Oh and you cant say why you cant.So a lot of things happen things get done wrong, idiot kits are developed and a lot of the work gets pushed out to employers too small to have deep enough pockets for jew lawyers or to institutions that have a monopoly on say government work and can simply raise prices enough minorities can basically be paid to stay out of the way.Of course part of this is offshoring work and importing products from places like asia that don’t have this problem.Also prices and wages decline or stagnate for decades because the work is no longer deserving of skilled wages, while whites might not just be as skilled as their fathers, they might also be taking up the minority slack, but the average is still shoddy. So its not just 1 of 2 whites affected its all whites. Until recently white collar whites avoided most of this or had ways of keeping it isolated,and so stupidly assumed you needn’t be intelligent to build a skyscraper, or automobile, or police, or administer the government, or breed the next generation of 102 average IQ whites including half the high cognition whites, or all the other things elites felt were beneath thinking about while yucking it up with the clever jews who engineered all this because they needed a safe space and were sure whites were all secret nazis that had to be neutralized.

    Oh and lets not forget the white is also squeezed from above by the more intelligent jew and east asian. And please spare the conservative speech about meritocracy and the enlightenment , its the current year the enlightenments done stick a fork in it. White nations should be administered for the benefit of white citizens, we stupidly thought we could trust a few jews, boy were we wrong no sooner did we allow them in among us than they ran the table on us while shaming us to keep our hands tied behind our backs like good cucks.

    But even all that isn’t the tenth of it, the true cost of diversity spent in the last 50 years alone could have moved mars into near earth orbit and terraformed it. The cost is staggering to staggering to even face. what is the cost of our best and brightest not build rockets but being apologists for minorities? what is the cost of not being able to culturally police our own because succeeded makes the other look even worse? What is the cost of our crime, the police forces, the courts prisons paroles the insurance ? what is the cost of having our government administered by apes? what is the cost of the fraud the lawsuits the welfare the tax cheating, the anchor babies. what is the cost of the several generations of
    productive white children not born because whites can no longer afford the economic and physical security the require for family formation? What is the cost of divershitty to our education and our medical systems? Whats the cost of having no culture? whats the cost of not simply more debt than but the cost a 1.2 quadrillion in credit default swaps to keep that debt in the air. whats the cost of going from having the finest military in the world to a bunch of apes crashing battleships and fags and tranny soldiers? I could go on for volumes about what the jew ploy of creating a forest of diversity to hide in is costing, in the end the answer is its existential.

    The fact that jews have been meeting smart rubes from the heartland and they get off the bus in our cities and universities and radicalizing them at least since 1910 when john reed was recruited by walter lippmann to the harvard socialist club.does not change the fact jews engineered this entire thing and it can now only be undone in a blood civil war and mass deportations. At which point jews will no doubt mutter see we knew they were secret nazis all along.

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    sorry about that, I totally AGREE with you...just hit the wrong button...
    , @dc.sunsets
    We'll see just how "smart" are the half-breed Ashkenazim (I suspect most "American Jews" are no more than 1/4 descended from "Jewish Ghetto" European Jews of the Middle Ages) when this long boom ends, lifeboat ethics return like a tsunami, and the need for retribution drives a search for whose fingerprints are all over the last 50 years' collective idiocy.

    I'll admit to being very impressed with those 1/4-or-less Ashkenazis if they're able to scapegoat some other group, but I have a difficult time seeing how the 80% self-identified-as-Jewish people who manage the decaying institutions of America, institutions they invaded and assimilated (like a disease) during the last 80 years, will claim it was their melanin-enhanced pets who should be blamed.

    Eureka! Maybe that's the goal of Affirmative Action after all, to put as many Ta Nehisi Genius' faces on the top of the organizational chart so the jooooz can walk out the back door with suitcases of swag.
    , @gustafus
    ..."we stupidly thought we could trust a few jews, boy were we wrong no sooner did we allow them in among us than they ran the table on us while shaming us to keep our hands tied behind our backs like good cucks."

    Culture of Critique 101

    The tables are turning on Jews as 1.7 billion Muslims want to finish the job Hitler nibbled at. That's not going to change anytime soon....

    The left has been the breeding ground for the Jewish economic strategy of advancing the interests of Non Whites. Now the left is advancing the interests of Muslims..... to thwart the efforts of Jews.

    I"m not sure where high IQ Asians play into this unfolding drama - but as I've said on this board more than a few times...

    The economic music is slowing and there aren't 7 billion chairs. Jews have overplayed their hand, and although secular Jews on the left are the architects of this devilry - American and European whites may team up with Sephardic Conservative Jews to beat back a strain of anti semitism that won't be so easy to defeat. .

    The Nazi's were pikers .... Islam is the real deal. The Germans folded and have been beaten into contrition for 75 years .... that ain't gonna happen with the Muzzies. And now we see modern day Germans trying to import a permanent class of Muslim peasantry.... using the Jewish playbook...

    and it remains to be seen which strategy will prevail. There is a part of me that loves watching European Jews get their comeuppance as they begin fleeing again to Israel.

    But I suspect the Mossad will foment enough "incidents" to bring Brussels and Berlin around.

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  54. CCZ says:

    Hopefully, only a little OT and not a repeat of previously known information, but the Latino Victory Project [anti-white VA ad] was founded by 70% European DNA actress Eva Longoria, and currently brags: “We Are The Future, Making Demographic Destiny A Political Force.” A little reason for some “white anger” here.

    When actress Eva Longoria co-founded the Latino Victory Project in 2014, the political action committee focused on one thing: getting Latino politicians elected. Now with Trump…they’re shifting their objective.

    Latino Victory Project President Cristóbal Alex told BuzzFeed:

    Given the political climate and the policy priorities of our community, we’ve got to change. Because the Republican Party turned its back on us. We can’t negotiate with the white nationalists and racists that Trump has brought in.

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    Thanks.

    Because the Republican Party turned its back on us. -- How did they do that? -- these people are never very specific (that would make them look stupid), so one is left to assume he's talking about immigration and amnesty -- if so, it's ridiculous: the GOP establishment has been all-in for immigration and amnesty for as long as I can remember -- Trump won the nomination and then the election despite the GOP establishment, which basically opposed him -- listen today how McCain, the Bushes et al talk about Trump -- people like Longoria and Cristóbal are driven solely by racial animus -- We can’t negotiate with the white nationalists... -- what a coincidence, we have no intention of "negotiating" with you either: you have to go back.

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  55. joe webb says:
    @TG
    Indeed - but be careful what you wish for, you may get it.

    India has a terrible educational system - about half the country is illiterate. But the other half is still bigger than the entire United States, they are desperately poor, and there are tens if not hundreds of millions of children who have been trained from birth only to excel at standardized tests for just the slim change of escaping that overpopulated land. And unlike the much more prosperous Chinese, they speak English and there is no language barrier! All by themselves, Indian nationals could soon fill every academic position in the United States with people who have perfect test scores.

    As the barriers between the overpopulated third world and the United States continue to be swept away, it may soon be the children of liberal upper-middle class white Americans who are clamoring for affirmative action - or at least, for less reliance on standardized test scores.

    what me worry? India’s national IQ average is 82.

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    No such thing as Indian.

    Either Indo-European, Dravidan and Aboriginal and those are all entirely difference races. It's like South African Boer and South African Black being called "South African", with a averaged South African "IQ"

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  56. joe webb says:
    @Priss Factor
    Why are whites angry?

    https://www.amren.com/news/2017/11/federal-building-d-c-rejects-richard-spencers-request-host-conference/

    Spencer from the amren piece: .” This seems to be a First Amendment issue.”

    It seems more likely a shouting fire in a crowded theatre issue.

    Of course, if you want to kill off the White insurrection, aka Trumpism, then let Spencer do his little jew dance…so, because they love it. Good for the Jews. Good for the liberals and race traitors.

    Spencer will burn out. Like Orban having the good sense to throw him in jail a year or so and then expel him as a danger to whites.

    Joe Webb

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  57. joe webb says:

    right, and international capitalism loves race equality ideology. Sells their shit to shit people.

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  58. eah says:
    @CCZ
    Hopefully, only a little OT and not a repeat of previously known information, but the Latino Victory Project [anti-white VA ad] was founded by 70% European DNA actress Eva Longoria, and currently brags: "We Are The Future, Making Demographic Destiny A Political Force." A little reason for some "white anger" here.

    When actress Eva Longoria co-founded the Latino Victory Project in 2014, the political action committee focused on one thing: getting Latino politicians elected. Now with Trump...they’re shifting their objective.

    Latino Victory Project President Cristóbal Alex told BuzzFeed:

    Given the political climate and the policy priorities of our community, we’ve got to change. Because the Republican Party turned its back on us. We can’t negotiate with the white nationalists and racists that Trump has brought in.

     

    Thanks.

    Because the Republican Party turned its back on us. — How did they do that? — these people are never very specific (that would make them look stupid), so one is left to assume he’s talking about immigration and amnesty — if so, it’s ridiculous: the GOP establishment has been all-in for immigration and amnesty for as long as I can remember — Trump won the nomination and then the election despite the GOP establishment, which basically opposed him — listen today how McCain, the Bushes et al talk about Trump — people like Longoria and Cristóbal are driven solely by racial animus — We can’t negotiate with the white nationalists… — what a coincidence, we have no intention of “negotiating” with you either: you have to go back.

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  59. EH says:

    Any job held by a Black for which there were White applicants was overwhelmingly likely to have preferred the less qualified candidate. IQ is the best single predictor of job performance, and due to Blacks’ average of 84, standard deviation of 13.3 vs. Whites 100 and 15, and to there being 4.6 times as many Whites, for each Black in the US with an IQ of 85 or higher, there is a White with an IQ of 120 or higher.

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  60. Okechukwu says:

    for each Black in the US with an IQ of 85 or higher, there is a White with an IQ of 120 or higher.

    Plenty of high IQ whites are morons, as evidenced by many of the commentators on Unz. IQ is a learned academic exercise that has little to do with innate intelligence, aptitude, work ethic or the ability to persist and persevere or get along well with others.

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    Ha! I've been making that point for a while. Some of the stupidest people I know are "high IQ" professionals who, while quite good at their professions, are astonishingly stupid otherwise. Most wouldn't know where to begin to change a tire or fix a leaking toilet if they had to.

    As far as IQ being a marker for job performance, it strikes me that it mainly indicates that the higher the IQ, the more submissive and easily controlled one may be.

    Some of the most brain dead comments here are written by people who claim to have high IQs and brag about their backgrounds.

    As for myself, I'm a mere ignoramus with the IQ of an icecube. That may explain why I've always worked for myself outside of a few brief stints at "jobs" as a kid.
    , @Maple Curtain
    Still trying to figure out if you're a low IQ Negro racist or a Hasbara troll. Maybe both?
    , @dc.sunsets

    Plenty of high IQ whites are morons, as evidenced by many of the commentators on Unz. IQ is a learned academic exercise that has little to do with innate intelligence, aptitude, work ethic or the ability to persist and persevere or get along well with others.
     
    If you feel this way, why don't you relocate to somewhere that is mostly populated by people who test poorly on IQ studies?

    Yeah. I thought so.....
    , @botazefa

    IQ is a learned academic exercise that has little to do with innate intelligence
     
    IQ's most certainly are not learned. IQ tests things that all bright people know. You can't 'learn' the test anywhere. You either have the chops or you do not. IQ scores are predictive of future socio-econonic status and relatively stable over life. There are no 85 IQ physicists. You're free of course to believe what you wish, but you are dead wrong on what IQ is.
    , @Kali
    "Plenty of high IQ whites are morons, as evidenced by many of the commentators on Unz. "

    And plenty of niggers are morons, as evidenced by you.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    Plenty of high IQ whites are morons...
     
    Their (apparent) belief in racial equality suggests that, but their belief in marriage equality seals the case.
    , @Malla
    You do not emotionally like or accept the concept IQ/IQ testing (which fact BTW) because blacks on average have less intelligence and thus score low on IQ tests. It it had been the case that blacks on average were really more intelligent and had thus scored high on IQ tests, you would have been a GREAT DEFENDER OF THE CONCEPT OF IQ and IQ TESTING. LOL
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  61. There is one important vector missing!
    Age!
    Different age groups inside the groups experience the effects very different which leads to even more stress inside of them.
    It only, at first, hits young white men and older whites who lose their job and try to reenter the workforce.
    The exact same problems appear between sexes too.
    And become even worse. But that’s digressing to some degrees.

    Pro tip, to avoid the diversity fraud, just translate it into English.
    Divers means many.
    It’s just a poser word.

    A group of many Marines or a diverse group of Marines will beat a diverse group of LGBT idiots in rope pulling every single time.

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  62. LauraMR says:

    First, the myth of affirmative action.

    Yes, the policy exists and it is in place. Yes, some undeserving people get pushed through. But what most people miss is that if you are a “minority” you get rejected despite being perfectly qualified.

    What!!!. That’s correct. I graduated top of the top and not only I was not given scholarships (they went to the “white” students that copied off my exams), I was told that I would never be admitted even if I paid full tuition.

    It was only after a friend suggested to my young naive self to apply as “white” that I finally got accepted and with a full scholarship (among other benefits) since, after all, my grades were off the charts.

    Second, the “white anger”. It does not exist. Are some “white people” angry? Of course. So are some “non-white people”. It means nothing. Yes, it is amplified by the echo chamber of the web but it is insignificant in reality. Ultimately, it’s no more than the product of an irresponsible media whose dribble is meant to turn the news into another TV drama so that viewers keep tuning in.

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    woah, that is very very different than everything I have read so far. thanks for sharing.

    may I ask what races you are a mix of?

    , @norse nestor
    meritocracy beats hereditary, racial corruption
    i'm a black not connected woman, and i'm lousy at everything
    (i'm not really a black not connected woman, but you get my argument)
    , @MarkinLA
    I am calling BS.
    , @Anonymous
    Interesting. My story is almost exactly the same except for the fact that I graduated top of the top of the top and my skin colour is blue. They wouldn't let me apply unless I could provide an outrageous amount of unobtanium or tick the "white nationalist" box.

    I feel you, sista'.
    , @dc.sunsets
    Damn those graduate degrees in Wymn's Studies or English Lit.

    I take your incredible (as in not-credible) anecdote and raise you 30 years in corporate America, where positions and promotions "reserved for 'diversity hires'" were openly acknowledged.

    My fav: The arrogant 6'5" black guy with no management development training whatsoever who was relocated halfway across the country to manage a sales district in my region, leapfrogging at least half a dozen far-better-qualified men and women (most of whom were white) because the region "needed" a diversity-box-checking manager.

    He was so bad that, when a reorganization came and he phoned one of "his" reps to tell her she still had a job, and that she'd still be working for him, she quit her job on the spot. In that reorg he became my manager, and I learned what it was like to live in hell for the days preceding and during when I had to do my job with him next to me.

    So to summarize: Jam your lies where the sun doesn't shine.
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  63. @Nepemnr
    I think the aff.-act. hire at the fire dept will produce significantly more than just one jilted stakeholder.

    Two others I can think of are the other firemen who must now suffer him, and the community who feels less secure (I personally avoid black doctors, sorry).

    But I take your point in the article. There is a plain-to-see grievancehood that's emerging among whites.

    And then there are the wymen.
    Fire watchers versus Fire fighters.

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  64. Okechukwu says:
    @TomSchmidt
    They're certainly less violent. As are Asians.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/entertainment/books/the-better-angels-of-our-nature-why-violence-has-declined-by-steven-pinker/2011/08/17/gIQA0VNmTL_story.html?utm_term=.bbc4f236b2cb



    "Statistics, however, also deceive. Pinker’s avalanche of evidence camouflages dodgy analysis. For instance, he frequently mentions that blacks in America are peculiarly susceptible to violence. Statistics bear that out, but the painful truths that lie beneath those raw numbers need careful handling. Instead, Pinker cites the connection between matrimony and passivity, arguing that blacks are violent in part because they are notoriously unenthusiastic about marriage: “Perverse welfare incentives . . . encouraged young [black] women to ‘marry the state’ instead of the fathers of their children.” Reckless analysis of this sort can foster dangerous bigotry."

    Blacks are not violent when you consider that less than 1% of blacks will commit a violent crime in any given year, mostly gangbangers and such.

    Sorry to rain on your parade.

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    Sorry to rain on your parade.
    You had written: "They’re (whites) less angry now than they have ever been." And pointed out that acts of vigilante "justice" and violence had dropped amongst them. I was confirming what you were saying. It's the parade you were leading, amigo.

    However, I don't think that just because whites are controlling anger in not expressing it in violence means they're not angry. You might want to check that logic.

    Blacks are not violent when you consider that less than 1% of blacks will commit a violent crime in any given year, mostly gangbangers and such.
    Given that there are 372 violent crimes per 100,000 people in the USA, your statement is what might be called vacuously true, since there are fewer than 1% of the USA population who are violent crime victims in any given year. Of course, if multiple persons committed violent crimes against single victims, it might be possible, but I discount the likelihood.
    , @Kali
    "Blacks are not violent when you consider that less than 1% of blacks will commit a violent crime in any given year, mostly gangbangers and such"

    Blacks are not violent? That's bullshit. And you are black, I suppose? Why don't you go back to Africa?
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  65. JackOH says:
    @TomSchmidt
    It makes the fundamental case for reparations with an absolute end to affirmative action explicit. Rich white liberals (and I have met a lot of them, and they are generally not stupid and many do work hard and indeed "merit" Ivy admission) would then have to pay along with the lower-caste whites and Asians who are excluded in favor of those affirmatively helped. AA instead has become a tool that the "protected" use to oppress the unprotected, to use Peggy Noonan's terminology.

    If the cost of ending AA is $1trillion in explicit, one-time reparations, it strikes me as worth it, since of course the people who would proportionately pay more are the whites at the top of the AA and economic pole who don't have to worry about discrimination against them.

    “If the cost of ending AA is $1trillion in explicit, one-time reparations, it strikes me as worth it . . . “.

    Within the context of a new constitutional convention, I can see reparations being bruited. But, it’s almost a sure bet there’ll be a faction advocating that the total costs associated with African-Americans in America be considered, such as deductions for disproportionate incarceration, counter-reparations due Whites for losses due to crimes, the despoiling of urban areas, the circumstantial and very costly resettlement of Whites to the safer ‘burbs, and so on. How reparations does not end in some sort of separation of Blacks from Whites, or some unknown secessional pressures is beyond me.

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  66. MarkinLA says:
    @vera
    I was once one of those women who were hired into and trained for a job that had been reserved for males. I was so proud, and so happy the system was changing. My male colleagues were a mix -- some supported me, some less so. But I think all accepted that changes needed to be made.

    That law should have had a sunset built into it, though. To keep it "forever" invites abuse that grows over time.

    You can thank that worthless twit Sandra Day O’Connor. Actually, there is no law. It is just executive level actions that are upheld in court challenges by idiots like O’Connor.

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  67. @Backwoods Bob
    "Egalitarian" = discrimination against white males?

    Adopting the Orwellian double speak of tyrants concedes the field before the battle. Call it racism when it is. Not reverse racism. Racism.

    You can't transform racism into something else by giving it a different name.

    "Diversity" - same thing. It means the opposite. With diversity, and most especially between genders we would see one gender doing things it prefers and the other gender doing what it prefers. Not that they all be the same.

    Erasing the diversity between men and women and calling it diversity is double speak. There is no tolerance for diversity in political beliefs on campuses now, and that is a far more important issue to tolarate diversity. Erasing diversity in political beliefs, between genders and race, insisting there are no differences when 2.5 million years of evolutionary genetics proves the opposite - it's tyrannical mind control Orwell described.

    Through the control of language. "Politically Correct" language.

    Truly Excellent observation and comment Bob! Pipe up more often sir

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  68. Another conversation I should steer clear of

    Suppose I buy this overall contention, that whites are being dismissed for being white. I could cry foul, but there’s a reason why I won’t. The number of backs that have been discounted from everything merely for being black just smashes any reason comparison. And the number of over qualified backs will never be known because they weren’t even considered.

    Second, the largest factor across the board for civilian employment is not blacks , it’s white women. No lip flopping turning an egg on its 180 degree end to shift the social structure has been more impact than women. Of the affirmative action policies, it has been the white wives, girlfriend, daughters and mistresses of of white men that have gained the largest share — some 60 plus percent by the dept of labor accounting.

    Third, the standard for entry has been reduced for black men, but but for white women. Especially the standards requiring physical stamina and hard labor.

    Fourth, unless you include the data sets of white who meet lowest standard to qualify, you are rigging the system. In other words, minus blacks what number of whites were also provided opportunity who’s scores were below par but in order to meet a dept level per population they accepted a group less qualified but fell high enough below the standard to be acceptable because over time they will effectively fill the billet.

    Now there are plenty of reasons to o after AA. But those are based on a system created by the white intelligentsia. At its offering AA was one of the few programs that actually had a chance of transforming the system to a more equitable standard. That is of course until white men and white women decided that white women should also be afforded it mandate and ever since, it has been a mess. Because the largest beneficiaries have been white women and white homosexuals and the other shades considered white. So in the AA action pools, if you did not include those other players — you will have to start over, because your numbers are deeply skewed in a biased direction by design.

    I have no idea how long it take for black to recover from the vast method of discrimination practiced by the country. But I a very certain, that the effectiveness of the police, fire departments and other assorted sectors of employment that still manage to bar blacks, are failing because of people with a darker shade of skin color.

    I certainly have my issues with some aspect of black advocacy, but I think I can say AA is the least of them, because it’ value to black ha been minimal compared to other sectors of the population.

    And I suspect that the share of AA policies that advantage white women has exceeded that 60% years ago.

    Furthermore, of you are going to discuss AA, then one ha to have a grasp of its intent (original intent) and methodology. The mad rush for public and private sectors to look good reflects their usual path of least resistance in that arena — the result is a policy that undermines the very purpose of the policy’s intent. And just for the note — quota as they are typically employed i not reflection of the model.

    As for white anger, I think the historical record that the angry white male has been the subject of white women’ complaints long before black men left the plantation. I think the salient issue here is whether said anger at blacks is justified and the evidence all told is a resounding — no. Check out the women you are married to, dating, fathering, or having an affair with and do some calculation. But if you claim that quotas don’t work (as many do),

    then you have to explain why the country has routinely employed in their restructuring of societies as to foreign policy.

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    Please have a friend or family member edit your next comment before publication. Much of this is incomprehensible.
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  69. @LauraMR
    First, the myth of affirmative action.

    Yes, the policy exists and it is in place. Yes, some undeserving people get pushed through. But what most people miss is that if you are a "minority" you get rejected despite being perfectly qualified.

    What!!!. That's correct. I graduated top of the top and not only I was not given scholarships (they went to the "white" students that copied off my exams), I was told that I would never be admitted even if I paid full tuition.

    It was only after a friend suggested to my young naive self to apply as "white" that I finally got accepted and with a full scholarship (among other benefits) since, after all, my grades were off the charts.

    Second, the "white anger". It does not exist. Are some "white people" angry? Of course. So are some "non-white people". It means nothing. Yes, it is amplified by the echo chamber of the web but it is insignificant in reality. Ultimately, it's no more than the product of an irresponsible media whose dribble is meant to turn the news into another TV drama so that viewers keep tuning in.

    woah, that is very very different than everything I have read so far. thanks for sharing.

    may I ask what races you are a mix of?

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    may I ask what races you are a mix of?
     
    None.

    Race in our country is mostly a fictional construct with its basis in some bizarre form of political kabuki.
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  70. Ash says:
    @TonyVodvarka
    When I became a New York City firefighter in 1962, the entrance exam was a multiple choice test on civics and science. The physical exam was a rigorous challenge that most people would have to train for months before, for instance, to get the top score, one had to lift ninety pounds with one arm and seventy pounds with the other. Both tests were graded and the average of the two determined your place on the list. Nowadays, because of a court order to diversify, the written exam tests are largely questions supposedly probing the psychological makeup of the applicant that one would have to be an idiot not to recognize the response wanted. The physical has been largely degraded so that more women can pass it and it is not graded, one simply has to do the minimum to pass. Recently, a black recruit failed probationary school three times and was given a fourth chance. Make of it what you will.

    About a decade ago a Los Angeles Fire Department captain won a $3.75 million dollar lawsuit after he was retaliated against for not giving a female recruit preferential treatment during training. He thought she should have to achieve what male recruits have to achieve. After all, it is a physically strenuous job and anybody not qualified to do it may cost a life. The city, desperate for diversity, didn’t agree and took numerous measures against him. Thankfully the jury agreed with the captain.

    This episode made him so popular with his fellow firefighters that he soon became president of the Los Angeles firefighters union.

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  71. Ash says:
    @eah
    https://twitter.com/RealJaredHowe/status/927214200891543552

    Palestine.

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  72. @LauraMR
    First, the myth of affirmative action.

    Yes, the policy exists and it is in place. Yes, some undeserving people get pushed through. But what most people miss is that if you are a "minority" you get rejected despite being perfectly qualified.

    What!!!. That's correct. I graduated top of the top and not only I was not given scholarships (they went to the "white" students that copied off my exams), I was told that I would never be admitted even if I paid full tuition.

    It was only after a friend suggested to my young naive self to apply as "white" that I finally got accepted and with a full scholarship (among other benefits) since, after all, my grades were off the charts.

    Second, the "white anger". It does not exist. Are some "white people" angry? Of course. So are some "non-white people". It means nothing. Yes, it is amplified by the echo chamber of the web but it is insignificant in reality. Ultimately, it's no more than the product of an irresponsible media whose dribble is meant to turn the news into another TV drama so that viewers keep tuning in.

    meritocracy beats hereditary, racial corruption
    i’m a black not connected woman, and i’m lousy at everything
    (i’m not really a black not connected woman, but you get my argument)

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  73. @lavoisier
    "As a European, I will not allow my homeland to be overrun – and ultimately conquered through bloodshed – by low IQ hostiles. This is basic survival and no amount of job opportunities can “fix” my “anger”."

    How exactly do you intend to accomplish this worthwhile goal? Inquiring minds would like to know.

    Anonymous: As a European, I will not allow my homeland to be overrun – and ultimately conquered through bloodshed – by low IQ hostiles. This is basic survival and no amount of job opportunities can “fix” my “anger”.”

    lavoisier: How exactly do you intend to accomplish this worthwhile goal?

    Have children. Have lots of children. Teach them the Faith, teach them your cultural heritage, and teach them off the grid survival skills (gardening, fishing, etc.) Basically… channel your anger into sexuality and reproduction.

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  74. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @epochehusserl
    It is the fact that the entirety of the social system seems designed to put white men in their place.

    …to put white men in their place?

    You mean to kick them out of their place.

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  75. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Okechukwu

    Why are whites angry?
     
    They're less angry now than they have ever been. In the past, they weren't burning crosses and lynching people out of sheer joy. And there was no Affirmative Action back then.

    Priss factor: Why are whites angry?

    Okecukwu: They’re less angry now than they have ever been. In the past, they weren’t burning crosses and lynching people out of sheer joy.

    I’m not sure they ever did.

    Just a few years ago, when mainstream conservatism still held a larger sway over my mind, I would have accepted that idea — that some whites once burned crosses and lynched people out of sheer joy — as an inexplicable and repulsive but true historical fact.

    But…with what I’ve observed over the last decade or so, I’ve started to wonder if perhaps the “inexplicable” abuses of the past, may have been (over)reactions to a real and long-standing problem, namely the sky high black on white crime, especially one particular type of crime, for which the black-on-white rate is documented to be several thousand times the reverse.

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    Just a few years ago, when mainstream conservatism still held a larger sway over my mind, I would have accepted that idea — that some whites once burned crosses and lynched people out of sheer joy.
     
    Sure, some got a weird, sadistic and maybe even sexual pleasure from hurting innocent black people. Sadists still exist today and I'm sure they would be up to a great deal more mayhem if not for fear of the legal consequences. Back in the day, there were no legal consequences. Another problem modern day "angry whites" have is that blacks are likely to shoot back or lynch them in kind.

    But…with what I’ve observed over the last decade or so, I’ve started to wonder if perhaps the “inexplicable” abuses of the past, may have been (over)reactions to a real and long-standing problem, namely the sky high black on white crime,
     
    Umm...nope. It was pure hatred and racial animus. They were hateful and angry during slavery. They were hateful and angry after slavery. They were hateful and angry during Jim Crow. They were hateful and angry after Jim Crow. They will always be hateful and angry. If all the blacks in America were accountants and medical doctors who never committed a single crime, they would still be hateful and angry. In fact that might set them off even more. So people who have irrational fear, hate and anger should be allowed to stew in those juices as long as they don't infringe on the rights of others. In other words, fuck 'em.

    especially one particular type of crime, for which the black-on-white rate is documented to be several thousand times the reverse.
     
    The incidence of white-on-white rape is vastly more numerous. In fact it's an epidemic. If you were serious you'd concern yourself much more with that. Blacks are a minority surrounded by a sea of whites. Therefore, obviously, more whites are going to be victimized by black criminals than vice versa.
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  76. anarchyst says:
    @Colleen Pater
    First of all your numbers are way off and you leave all sorts of things out. Disperate impact is now law and it means actual discrimination is immaterial all that matters is quotas yes quota forget that college suit the way this actually works is some jew lawyer approaches some minorities and offers to sue for them to get paid. The lawyer only needs to prove that the percentage of minorities employed in said deep pocket institution (union, school, municipality, corporation, or industry) is less than the percentage found in the last census. That alone wins the case. The "plaintiffs" who can even be minorities that claim they were too discouraged to even apply because they knewd it was a a racist fix. Will get paid back wages from the time they would have applied if not too discouraged etc. The judge also fines the institution and appoints a special master who is too be paid by institution for his services including offices staff etc its a nice gig, and they are also jews usually a lawyer often the same lawyer and social workers etc. Now they set about making sure this never ends, do they go to say the military to find qualified minorities, maybe churches? nah they go to prisons and welfare to make sure the applicants fail out, work less hours are fired etc,

    Now come next census guess what more minorities you're now in contempt, more back wages and fines and extend the special masters gig. Oh and the minorities (immigration) that made it, guess what they worked less hours than the whites because you guessed it racism. not because they dont show up for work, or on time, or get fired for fighting and stealing, or because they prefer collecting unemployment to full time work, or they make deals to do their overtime off the books. Nah couldnt be any of those reasons its because racism so they too get 120k checks tax free.

    And its not 1 in 6 its at least 1 of 2 because hispanics are minorities for some goddamn bs reason some wetback is entitled to a job before an american white. And it doesn't end there at all these conditions destroy these industries. you simply can not fathom just how stupid and incompetent and dysfunctional these minorities are. Managing for almost 40 years I can say it takes about 4 times more man hours to do the same job half as well, you simply can not do the jobs properly at all anymore.Oh and you cant say why you cant.So a lot of things happen things get done wrong, idiot kits are developed and a lot of the work gets pushed out to employers too small to have deep enough pockets for jew lawyers or to institutions that have a monopoly on say government work and can simply raise prices enough minorities can basically be paid to stay out of the way.Of course part of this is offshoring work and importing products from places like asia that don't have this problem.Also prices and wages decline or stagnate for decades because the work is no longer deserving of skilled wages, while whites might not just be as skilled as their fathers, they might also be taking up the minority slack, but the average is still shoddy. So its not just 1 of 2 whites affected its all whites. Until recently white collar whites avoided most of this or had ways of keeping it isolated,and so stupidly assumed you needn't be intelligent to build a skyscraper, or automobile, or police, or administer the government, or breed the next generation of 102 average IQ whites including half the high cognition whites, or all the other things elites felt were beneath thinking about while yucking it up with the clever jews who engineered all this because they needed a safe space and were sure whites were all secret nazis that had to be neutralized.

    Oh and lets not forget the white is also squeezed from above by the more intelligent jew and east asian. And please spare the conservative speech about meritocracy and the enlightenment , its the current year the enlightenments done stick a fork in it. White nations should be administered for the benefit of white citizens, we stupidly thought we could trust a few jews, boy were we wrong no sooner did we allow them in among us than they ran the table on us while shaming us to keep our hands tied behind our backs like good cucks.


    But even all that isn't the tenth of it, the true cost of diversity spent in the last 50 years alone could have moved mars into near earth orbit and terraformed it. The cost is staggering to staggering to even face. what is the cost of our best and brightest not build rockets but being apologists for minorities? what is the cost of not being able to culturally police our own because succeeded makes the other look even worse? What is the cost of our crime, the police forces, the courts prisons paroles the insurance ? what is the cost of having our government administered by apes? what is the cost of the fraud the lawsuits the welfare the tax cheating, the anchor babies. what is the cost of the several generations of
    productive white children not born because whites can no longer afford the economic and physical security the require for family formation? What is the cost of divershitty to our education and our medical systems? Whats the cost of having no culture? whats the cost of not simply more debt than but the cost a 1.2 quadrillion in credit default swaps to keep that debt in the air. whats the cost of going from having the finest military in the world to a bunch of apes crashing battleships and fags and tranny soldiers? I could go on for volumes about what the jew ploy of creating a forest of diversity to hide in is costing, in the end the answer is its existential.

    The fact that jews have been meeting smart rubes from the heartland and they get off the bus in our cities and universities and radicalizing them at least since 1910 when john reed was recruited by walter lippmann to the harvard socialist club.does not change the fact jews engineered this entire thing and it can now only be undone in a blood civil war and mass deportations. At which point jews will no doubt mutter see we knew they were secret nazis all along.

    sorry about that, I totally AGREE with you…just hit the wrong button…

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    Whewww! That's a relief to me too, as I agreed with this great post by Mr.(?) Pater, and I was surprised to see you disagree. I had to click down to see why one of the smart guys on here would disagree.

    Yes, the costs have been tremendous and incalculable.
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  77. @geokat62

    No, it’s not just the Jews or all about the Jews. The Gentiles up at the top of the power pyramid decided on mass, non-White immigration, de facto and de jure multiculturalism and Affirmative Action before the Jews came to predominate the way they did until perhaps this year. Have a look at the consensus that formed on all this from around the mid-1960s to mid-1970s.
     
    Interesting. I wasn't aware of this. Here's my source that demonstrates the role of The Lobby in pushing through the non-restrictionist immigration act of 1965:

    Jewish Involvement in Shaping American Immigration Policy, 1881-1965: A Historical Review

    Kevin MacDonald

    California State University-Long Beach

    This paper discusses Jewish involvement in shaping United States immigration policy. In addition to a periodic interest in fostering the immigration of co-religionists as a result of anti-Semitic movements, Jews have an interest in opposing the establishment of ethnically and culturally homogeneous societies in which they reside as minorities. Jews have been at the forefront in supporting movements aimed at altering the ethnic status quo in the United States in favor of immigration of non-European peoples. These activities have involved leadership in Congress, organizing and funding anti-restrictionist groups composed of Jews and gentiles, and originating intellectual movements opposed to evolutionary and biological perspectives in the social sciences.

    http://www.kevinmacdonald.net/immigration.pdf
     

    Can you point me to any of the sources that support your claim?

    I just read the reply of and agree with it. The best place to find an overview of the cult of growth and the West’s addiction to mass immigration would be in the work of it’s critics. The Peak Prosperity website springs to mind.

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  78. RJJCDA says:

    I new a guy who had a PhD, a published book, a semi-career as an expert/consultant on many documentaries seen on TV, but was passed over for tenure at a major university in favor of an African with only a Masters, and nothing else of distinction. Do you think resentment might have been spawned?

    Even as far back as late 70s, as an executive in the security business we employed many security officers who previously had been middle management but had been affirmative-actioned out. Some were dismissed by pure random processes as corporations endeavored to get the race ratios right.

    But this caused tragedies in these former well paid and upwardly mobile men’s lives. They no longer could go to barbecues or other social events with their neighbors or former friends and associates. The shame of being now a lowly security guard became unbearable. Their kids sometimes were taunted like ” what is your Daddy, a rent-a-cop?” The kids lost all respect for their fathers. and the wives lost their social standing; and frequently looked for divorce as a way out.

    And once being let go this way, it was extremely hard to be hired back in one’s previous field at anywhere close to a previous position. So these guys’ lives were over in many ways. They were crushed through no failures of their own. Some took to drink, some took to drugs, some worked for us at a fraction of previous pay and responsibilities and hoped for miracles. But I am sure ALL harbored deep-down resentments, and later became ardent Trump supporters.

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    But this caused tragedies in these former well paid and upwardly mobile men’s lives...So these guys’ lives were over in many ways. They were crushed through no failures of their own.
     
    While that's very disturbing, it shows that it may not be too bright to make oneself dependent on the whims of some "master."

    I'll take my low IQ and independence any day.
    , @Diversity Heretic
    There was a movie, The Company Men, about this phenomenon. Underemployment of former middle-management personnel is a hard-to-quantify topic, but the social consequences can be very significant. I wonder how many of these men are a part of the "white death" phenomenon?
    , @JackOH
    RJJCDA, I've commented several times in detail about the crop of White guys I've met, well-educated and with good work experience, who've been abandoned by the job market, and will likely never work again in the field for which they're trained. You see them working at convenience stores, gas stations, other retail, and, yep, private security.

    Historical comparisons are odious, but the Weimar Republic's economic dislocation and decadence comes to mind. There's that photo of the war-crippled German officer begging on the street in uniform, for instance. Unlike Weimar, we don't have clear-cut choices of communism, national socialism, republicanism, and so on, ahead of us. All I can see ahead is more of our murky, corporation-informed government where clear-cut choices are punished.

    How much of those White dudes' economic decline is actually the result of affirmative action, the White woman-preferred corporate version, I don't know. But, as Prof. Weissberg suggests without exactly saying it, affirmative action gives us an America where merit and seniority are ignored (or at least ignorable) in favor of hiring to achieve political goals. Soviet Union much?

    "They no longer could go to barbecues or other social events with their neighbors or former friends and associates. The shame of being now a lowly security guard became unbearable." BTW-that's no small thing. Having been bashed about myself by job markets, I know that after a year or two of taking a beating, no one really wants to hear from you a whole lot.
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  79. @Okechukwu
    Blacks are not violent when you consider that less than 1% of blacks will commit a violent crime in any given year, mostly gangbangers and such.

    Sorry to rain on your parade.

    Sorry to rain on your parade.
    You had written: “They’re (whites) less angry now than they have ever been.” And pointed out that acts of vigilante “justice” and violence had dropped amongst them. I was confirming what you were saying. It’s the parade you were leading, amigo.

    However, I don’t think that just because whites are controlling anger in not expressing it in violence means they’re not angry. You might want to check that logic.

    Blacks are not violent when you consider that less than 1% of blacks will commit a violent crime in any given year, mostly gangbangers and such.
    Given that there are 372 violent crimes per 100,000 people in the USA, your statement is what might be called vacuously true, since there are fewer than 1% of the USA population who are violent crime victims in any given year. Of course, if multiple persons committed violent crimes against single victims, it might be possible, but I discount the likelihood.

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  80. MarkinLA says:
    @LauraMR
    First, the myth of affirmative action.

    Yes, the policy exists and it is in place. Yes, some undeserving people get pushed through. But what most people miss is that if you are a "minority" you get rejected despite being perfectly qualified.

    What!!!. That's correct. I graduated top of the top and not only I was not given scholarships (they went to the "white" students that copied off my exams), I was told that I would never be admitted even if I paid full tuition.

    It was only after a friend suggested to my young naive self to apply as "white" that I finally got accepted and with a full scholarship (among other benefits) since, after all, my grades were off the charts.

    Second, the "white anger". It does not exist. Are some "white people" angry? Of course. So are some "non-white people". It means nothing. Yes, it is amplified by the echo chamber of the web but it is insignificant in reality. Ultimately, it's no more than the product of an irresponsible media whose dribble is meant to turn the news into another TV drama so that viewers keep tuning in.

    I am calling BS.

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    It's gonna hurt even more.

    Once in graduate school, I was the topmost student, second to none. But do guess who was the second. A Mexican. And the third, a woman from Madagascar. The three of us pushed the curve up so much that the faculty was forced to manufacture "creative" strategies to allow our "white" classmates to graduate...
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  81. @Okechukwu

    for each Black in the US with an IQ of 85 or higher, there is a White with an IQ of 120 or higher.
     
    Plenty of high IQ whites are morons, as evidenced by many of the commentators on Unz. IQ is a learned academic exercise that has little to do with innate intelligence, aptitude, work ethic or the ability to persist and persevere or get along well with others.

    Ha! I’ve been making that point for a while. Some of the stupidest people I know are “high IQ” professionals who, while quite good at their professions, are astonishingly stupid otherwise. Most wouldn’t know where to begin to change a tire or fix a leaking toilet if they had to.

    As far as IQ being a marker for job performance, it strikes me that it mainly indicates that the higher the IQ, the more submissive and easily controlled one may be.

    Some of the most brain dead comments here are written by people who claim to have high IQs and brag about their backgrounds.

    As for myself, I’m a mere ignoramus with the IQ of an icecube. That may explain why I’ve always worked for myself outside of a few brief stints at “jobs” as a kid.

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  82. @RJJCDA
    I new a guy who had a PhD, a published book, a semi-career as an expert/consultant on many documentaries seen on TV, but was passed over for tenure at a major university in favor of an African with only a Masters, and nothing else of distinction. Do you think resentment might have been spawned?

    Even as far back as late 70s, as an executive in the security business we employed many security officers who previously had been middle management but had been affirmative-actioned out. Some were dismissed by pure random processes as corporations endeavored to get the race ratios right.

    But this caused tragedies in these former well paid and upwardly mobile men's lives. They no longer could go to barbecues or other social events with their neighbors or former friends and associates. The shame of being now a lowly security guard became unbearable. Their kids sometimes were taunted like " what is your Daddy, a rent-a-cop?" The kids lost all respect for their fathers. and the wives lost their social standing; and frequently looked for divorce as a way out.

    And once being let go this way, it was extremely hard to be hired back in one's previous field at anywhere close to a previous position. So these guys' lives were over in many ways. They were crushed through no failures of their own. Some took to drink, some took to drugs, some worked for us at a fraction of previous pay and responsibilities and hoped for miracles. But I am sure ALL harbored deep-down resentments, and later became ardent Trump supporters.

    But this caused tragedies in these former well paid and upwardly mobile men’s lives…So these guys’ lives were over in many ways. They were crushed through no failures of their own.

    While that’s very disturbing, it shows that it may not be too bright to make oneself dependent on the whims of some “master.”

    I’ll take my low IQ and independence any day.

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    Indeed, I know a lot of high IQ types who when separated from their highly structured environments are absolutely useless.
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  83. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @EliteCommInc.
    Another conversation I should steer clear of

    Suppose I buy this overall contention, that whites are being dismissed for being white. I could cry foul, but there's a reason why I won't. The number of backs that have been discounted from everything merely for being black just smashes any reason comparison. And the number of over qualified backs will never be known because they weren't even considered.

    Second, the largest factor across the board for civilian employment is not blacks , it's white women. No lip flopping turning an egg on its 180 degree end to shift the social structure has been more impact than women. Of the affirmative action policies, it has been the white wives, girlfriend, daughters and mistresses of of white men that have gained the largest share -- some 60 plus percent by the dept of labor accounting.

    Third, the standard for entry has been reduced for black men, but but for white women. Especially the standards requiring physical stamina and hard labor.

    Fourth, unless you include the data sets of white who meet lowest standard to qualify, you are rigging the system. In other words, minus blacks what number of whites were also provided opportunity who's scores were below par but in order to meet a dept level per population they accepted a group less qualified but fell high enough below the standard to be acceptable because over time they will effectively fill the billet.


    Now there are plenty of reasons to o after AA. But those are based on a system created by the white intelligentsia. At its offering AA was one of the few programs that actually had a chance of transforming the system to a more equitable standard. That is of course until white men and white women decided that white women should also be afforded it mandate and ever since, it has been a mess. Because the largest beneficiaries have been white women and white homosexuals and the other shades considered white. So in the AA action pools, if you did not include those other players --- you will have to start over, because your numbers are deeply skewed in a biased direction by design.

    I have no idea how long it take for black to recover from the vast method of discrimination practiced by the country. But I a very certain, that the effectiveness of the police, fire departments and other assorted sectors of employment that still manage to bar blacks, are failing because of people with a darker shade of skin color.

    I certainly have my issues with some aspect of black advocacy, but I think I can say AA is the least of them, because it' value to black ha been minimal compared to other sectors of the population.



    And I suspect that the share of AA policies that advantage white women has exceeded that 60% years ago.

    Furthermore, of you are going to discuss AA, then one ha to have a grasp of its intent (original intent) and methodology. The mad rush for public and private sectors to look good reflects their usual path of least resistance in that arena -- the result is a policy that undermines the very purpose of the policy's intent. And just for the note -- quota as they are typically employed i not reflection of the model.

    As for white anger, I think the historical record that the angry white male has been the subject of white women' complaints long before black men left the plantation. I think the salient issue here is whether said anger at blacks is justified and the evidence all told is a resounding --- no. Check out the women you are married to, dating, fathering, or having an affair with and do some calculation. But if you claim that quotas don't work (as many do),

    then you have to explain why the country has routinely employed in their restructuring of societies as to foreign policy.

    Please have a friend or family member edit your next comment before publication. Much of this is incomprehensible.

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    I would certainly attempt to clarify anything don't understand.
    , @EliteCommInc.
    You are certainly welcome to tell me what you think is incomprehensible to you and and I will attempt to clarify it.
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  84. @Okechukwu

    for each Black in the US with an IQ of 85 or higher, there is a White with an IQ of 120 or higher.
     
    Plenty of high IQ whites are morons, as evidenced by many of the commentators on Unz. IQ is a learned academic exercise that has little to do with innate intelligence, aptitude, work ethic or the ability to persist and persevere or get along well with others.

    Still trying to figure out if you’re a low IQ Negro racist or a Hasbara troll. Maybe both?

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  85. joef says:

    Leftist desperately obfuscate and deny that antisocial afros are a national problem. They do this out of fear of knowing (but not consciously acknowledging), that as more people have direct negative encounters with afro americans, it produces racial realism. Given the passage of time, there will be more & more non afro people (Whites/Asians/Hispanics) who will suffer the consequences of afro american perpetrated crime, affirmative action, baseless accusations of white privilege, ever growing tax burden for afro welfare benefits, afro animosity/racism, and false accusations of discrimination.

    This will eventually result in people no longer lending credibility to the false leftist claims of afro victimhood. Combined this with economic decline, people will not have a tolerant disposition towards chronic afro complaining. As afros keep pushing their radical afro agenda, they are unwittingly setting up the conditions for a severe unsympathetic pushback (and only have themselves to blame for the results). Afros are committing a de facto war against the rest of society (not the other way around), and its time to recognize the consequences of their actions (as unpleasant as it may be… but the longer we ignore it, the more unpleasant it will be).

    We did not choose this fate, it was forced upon us by afro initiated hostility… all we can do is react to it (and unfortunately it does not seem that afros want to change their ways, in order to peacefully coexist). The leftist answer of shut up & put up with it, is rapidly becoming intolerable to an increasing amount of people.

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    You need serious psychiatric attention.

    Just don't go on a rampage and cut down dozens of innocent people, as happened yet again today by yet another non-Afro.

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  86. Okechukwu says:
    @jacques sheete

    But this caused tragedies in these former well paid and upwardly mobile men’s lives...So these guys’ lives were over in many ways. They were crushed through no failures of their own.
     
    While that's very disturbing, it shows that it may not be too bright to make oneself dependent on the whims of some "master."

    I'll take my low IQ and independence any day.

    Indeed, I know a lot of high IQ types who when separated from their highly structured environments are absolutely useless.

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  87. @anonymous
    Please have a friend or family member edit your next comment before publication. Much of this is incomprehensible.

    I would certainly attempt to clarify anything don’t understand.

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  88. Okechukwu says:
    @anonymous

    Priss factor: Why are whites angry?

    Okecukwu: They’re less angry now than they have ever been. In the past, they weren’t burning crosses and lynching people out of sheer joy.
     

    I'm not sure they ever did.

    Just a few years ago, when mainstream conservatism still held a larger sway over my mind, I would have accepted that idea -- that some whites once burned crosses and lynched people out of sheer joy -- as an inexplicable and repulsive but true historical fact.

    But...with what I've observed over the last decade or so, I've started to wonder if perhaps the "inexplicable" abuses of the past, may have been (over)reactions to a real and long-standing problem, namely the sky high black on white crime, especially one particular type of crime, for which the black-on-white rate is documented to be several thousand times the reverse.

    Just a few years ago, when mainstream conservatism still held a larger sway over my mind, I would have accepted that idea — that some whites once burned crosses and lynched people out of sheer joy.

    Sure, some got a weird, sadistic and maybe even sexual pleasure from hurting innocent black people. Sadists still exist today and I’m sure they would be up to a great deal more mayhem if not for fear of the legal consequences. Back in the day, there were no legal consequences. Another problem modern day “angry whites” have is that blacks are likely to shoot back or lynch them in kind.

    But…with what I’ve observed over the last decade or so, I’ve started to wonder if perhaps the “inexplicable” abuses of the past, may have been (over)reactions to a real and long-standing problem, namely the sky high black on white crime,

    Umm…nope. It was pure hatred and racial animus. They were hateful and angry during slavery. They were hateful and angry after slavery. They were hateful and angry during Jim Crow. They were hateful and angry after Jim Crow. They will always be hateful and angry. If all the blacks in America were accountants and medical doctors who never committed a single crime, they would still be hateful and angry. In fact that might set them off even more. So people who have irrational fear, hate and anger should be allowed to stew in those juices as long as they don’t infringe on the rights of others. In other words, fuck ‘em.

    especially one particular type of crime, for which the black-on-white rate is documented to be several thousand times the reverse.

    The incidence of white-on-white rape is vastly more numerous. In fact it’s an epidemic. If you were serious you’d concern yourself much more with that. Blacks are a minority surrounded by a sea of whites. Therefore, obviously, more whites are going to be victimized by black criminals than vice versa.

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    "They were hateful and angry during slavery. They were hateful and angry after slavery. They were hateful and angry during Jim Crow. They were hateful and angry after Jim Crow. They will always be hateful and angry."

    Black Fragility
    , @Kali
    ." It was pure hatred and racial animus. They were hateful and angry during slavery. They were hateful and angry after slavery. They were hateful and angry during Jim Crow. They were hateful and angry after Jim Crow. They will always be hateful and angry. If all the blacks in America were accountants and medical doctors who never committed a single crime, they would still be hateful and angry."

    I see. Yeah, it's evident... Their hate and anger is evident in their violence. Also triggered by their inferior intelligence/more animalistic nature, as observed by genetic scientists.

    Also, any psychologist or even any social anthropologist would agree that anger and hatred make people prone to violence. But you say that blacks aren't violent . So, you contradict yourself.

    Are you a negro, or just another Hasbara troll?
    , @Reg Cæsar

    Umm…nope. It was pure hatred and racial animus. They were hateful and angry during slavery.
     
    Who could blame them? The black man knew his place.

    It was the white man who second-guessed his Creator.
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  89. Okechukwu says:
    @joef
    Leftist desperately obfuscate and deny that antisocial afros are a national problem. They do this out of fear of knowing (but not consciously acknowledging), that as more people have direct negative encounters with afro americans, it produces racial realism. Given the passage of time, there will be more & more non afro people (Whites/Asians/Hispanics) who will suffer the consequences of afro american perpetrated crime, affirmative action, baseless accusations of white privilege, ever growing tax burden for afro welfare benefits, afro animosity/racism, and false accusations of discrimination.

    This will eventually result in people no longer lending credibility to the false leftist claims of afro victimhood. Combined this with economic decline, people will not have a tolerant disposition towards chronic afro complaining. As afros keep pushing their radical afro agenda, they are unwittingly setting up the conditions for a severe unsympathetic pushback (and only have themselves to blame for the results). Afros are committing a de facto war against the rest of society (not the other way around), and its time to recognize the consequences of their actions (as unpleasant as it may be... but the longer we ignore it, the more unpleasant it will be).

    We did not choose this fate, it was forced upon us by afro initiated hostility... all we can do is react to it (and unfortunately it does not seem that afros want to change their ways, in order to peacefully coexist). The leftist answer of shut up & put up with it, is rapidly becoming intolerable to an increasing amount of people.

    You need serious psychiatric attention.

    Just don’t go on a rampage and cut down dozens of innocent people, as happened yet again today by yet another non-Afro.

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    oh please what nonsense... typical leftist ad hominem attack in an attempt to discredit others empirical experiences that do not conform to unrealistic leftist dogma... just because you are uncomfortable with the truth, does not make it false (if it overwhelms your sheltered world, not my problem). At no point did I ever comment/condone about committing atrocities against afros, merely that afros are committing daily atrocities against the rest of us (so do not assume just because you don't agree with the content).

    If you read the newspapers, and look at national crime data, for the last half century (and lived in an adjoining neighborhood to an afro urban ghetto) you will know that afro americans kill more of their fellow American residents than any other category of people, including acts of terror (this is accumulated on a daily basis).

    You can pretend otherwise in your bubble world, but once others are repeatedly exposed to antisocial afro american behavior, at the very least they prefer not to live among them, and practice avoidance. At worst, they have very negative feelings towards their destructive behavior, and dislike them ... what you are afraid of is that you know this negative reinforcement is actually true (unlike you, most people will not continuously ignore their own negative experiences in order to be politically correct... they will believe the libs until first hand experience finally discredits it... and at that point your convoluted arguments to the contrary will have no effect).

    , @dc.sunsets

    You need serious psychiatric attention.
     
    What is it with psychological projection these days?

    Oke-dokey, if angry white guys (who own a quantity of effective firearms and ammunition to feed them that you lack the mathematical acumen to grasp) ever really chose to let their anger flow unrestrained, I'm betting you'd be among the first to realize the mistake you made inciting them.

    Comments like yours reinforce my conviction that "you know not what you do," and for that I have a small amount of pity for you.

    You look at one mentally-deranged "white guy" who makes the news, ignoring the dead/wounded in Chicago year-to-date (601, according to heyjackass.com) who are largely blacks killed by blacks, and write your comment. What a clown.
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  90. @TomSchmidt
    Thomas Sowell, in Knowledge and Decisions, Explicitly states that he does not believe in AA. But he also makes the point that, economically, it is inefficient and fundamentally unfair.

    You may or may not believe blacks are due reparations for slavery (Sowell brings up the idea that blacks might, fairly, be forced to pay reparations to whites for their better economic circumstances in the USA than Africa), but one can understand in the 60s that American policy was to try to do something to help blacks (despite the improving data for them from the 30s through the early 60s.) if this was the case, Sowell argues, then he only proper way to do it was through reparations, where the whole of society paid for the benefits received by blacks.

    AA has led to the situation where top-echelon whites, who do not need to fear competition from mid-tier blacks, can appear to be justice warriors in behalf of blacks. They get th benefit of appearing to help blacks, while mid-tier whites are the ones who actually pay for those benefits, a profoundly unjust situation, Sowell argues. In fact, AA becomes a weapon that elite whites can use to eliminate competition from lower-echelon whites, and so garners their support.

    That a black man made this argument was stunning.

    He has also made the point that most of the benefits of AA accrue disproportionately to the black elite in this country. Now however that in the context of university admissions this often means elite blacks from the Caribbean and Africa getting a hugely disproportionate share of spots at elite universities over not rich native blacks. I did see once in the mainstream media ( Maybe late 90′s early 00′s, maybe in a business magazine ) a very in depth look at how rich blacks game the system. A well off black businessman had money but was not a big time player in his industry, however because big company A was about to be bought by bigger company B, this acquiring company needed a black “owner” to be involved in the transaction in order to secure regulatory approval.

    The bigger company either gave him a contract with them or gave him a small equity stake ( I don’t remember for sure ) but this front guy walked away with many times ( At least a factor of 5 ) increase in his net worth merely for being a necessary legal fiction for federal approval. This guy was already affluent, but now because a program justified in the name of helping poor blacks was now a multimillionaire. The money was tip money to the multinationals involved, but a lot of money to an individual who could position themselves to benefit from AA.

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    A well off black businessman had money but was not a big time player in his industry, however because big company A was about to be bought by bigger company B, this acquiring company needed a black “owner” to be involved in the transaction in order to secure regulatory approval.
     
    Not blacks exclusively, but any minority or woman.That includes South Asians, Arabs, Chinese, Japanese and most especially, Native Americans. There are some business projects that are impossible without Native American participation. There are more scams involved in that than anything having to do with blacks, which tend to be few and far between.
    , @TomSchmidt
    Yeah, that's another effect of mandating diversity of skin color or dangly versus non-dangly genitalia. As I recall, Norway has a 40% female directors requirement, but there are only a few trusted women who fill most of those seats and collect the money.

    I met a guy whose job it was to recruit "safe"diversity people for corporate boards, ones who would take the money and not cause harm. I was going to promote two of my Haitian PhDs to him but that situation fell apart before I could do so. They'd have been positive contributors. Of course, they're not native African Americans.
    , @anarchyst
    This form of "affirmative action" is rampant in the federal contracts arena, as "minority-owned" firms can place bids up to 15% higher and still be awarded a federal contract. I personally witnessed this when a small "minority native-American" firm was awarded a federal contract for security services. This "minority-owned" company knew NOTHING about security, so they hired the next highest bidder (that was a well-known international security firm) to perform the contract while the "minority-owned" company "skimmed a profit" for doing absolutely nothing.
    This is how contracting in the federal government works...
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  91. Okechukwu says:
    @Unladen Swallow
    He has also made the point that most of the benefits of AA accrue disproportionately to the black elite in this country. Now however that in the context of university admissions this often means elite blacks from the Caribbean and Africa getting a hugely disproportionate share of spots at elite universities over not rich native blacks. I did see once in the mainstream media ( Maybe late 90's early 00's, maybe in a business magazine ) a very in depth look at how rich blacks game the system. A well off black businessman had money but was not a big time player in his industry, however because big company A was about to be bought by bigger company B, this acquiring company needed a black "owner" to be involved in the transaction in order to secure regulatory approval.

    The bigger company either gave him a contract with them or gave him a small equity stake ( I don't remember for sure ) but this front guy walked away with many times ( At least a factor of 5 ) increase in his net worth merely for being a necessary legal fiction for federal approval. This guy was already affluent, but now because a program justified in the name of helping poor blacks was now a multimillionaire. The money was tip money to the multinationals involved, but a lot of money to an individual who could position themselves to benefit from AA.

    A well off black businessman had money but was not a big time player in his industry, however because big company A was about to be bought by bigger company B, this acquiring company needed a black “owner” to be involved in the transaction in order to secure regulatory approval.

    Not blacks exclusively, but any minority or woman.That includes South Asians, Arabs, Chinese, Japanese and most especially, Native Americans. There are some business projects that are impossible without Native American participation. There are more scams involved in that than anything having to do with blacks, which tend to be few and far between.

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    So do you support doing away with AA? The palm-greasing makes it very expensive.
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  92. College admissions is just the tip of the iceberg. This ‘temporary’ adjustment has since mushroomed into giving non-whites everywhere in the world superior civil n legal rights over white American citizens inside the US, rallying cries for every minority in the US to organize along ethnic lines, the covering up of black crime against whites by the media, n media n government collusion in White Genocide. Affirmative Action has led to a growing trend of violent pogroms on whites: Hodgekington, Paddock, n Kelley, with Antifa militias in the streets. These trends, with the MSM constantly preaching hatred of whites, have set the stage for a general race war. This is what the ‘liberals’ on the Supreme Court n 50 years of white hating Presidents have wrought.

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  93. Diversity n Sexual Harassment are essentially political tools being used to purge white males from all positions of influence across the country. But ethnicity is more basic than gender. The diversity commissars who are purging white males today will return to purge white females tomorrow. The massacres of whites being committed by Antifa supporters make no distinction between white males n white females. This is nothing less than the early stages of ethnic cleansing.

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  94. Issac says:
    @attilathehen
    Ted Kennedy (Roman Catholic) was a big supporter of changing the immigration laws. Jews played a part, but the bigger parts are always played by the Roman Catholic Church, and today the Zioevangizers.

    The word you’re looking for is “Shabbos.”

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  95. Issac says:
    @Okechukwu

    Just a few years ago, when mainstream conservatism still held a larger sway over my mind, I would have accepted that idea — that some whites once burned crosses and lynched people out of sheer joy.
     
    Sure, some got a weird, sadistic and maybe even sexual pleasure from hurting innocent black people. Sadists still exist today and I'm sure they would be up to a great deal more mayhem if not for fear of the legal consequences. Back in the day, there were no legal consequences. Another problem modern day "angry whites" have is that blacks are likely to shoot back or lynch them in kind.

    But…with what I’ve observed over the last decade or so, I’ve started to wonder if perhaps the “inexplicable” abuses of the past, may have been (over)reactions to a real and long-standing problem, namely the sky high black on white crime,
     
    Umm...nope. It was pure hatred and racial animus. They were hateful and angry during slavery. They were hateful and angry after slavery. They were hateful and angry during Jim Crow. They were hateful and angry after Jim Crow. They will always be hateful and angry. If all the blacks in America were accountants and medical doctors who never committed a single crime, they would still be hateful and angry. In fact that might set them off even more. So people who have irrational fear, hate and anger should be allowed to stew in those juices as long as they don't infringe on the rights of others. In other words, fuck 'em.

    especially one particular type of crime, for which the black-on-white rate is documented to be several thousand times the reverse.
     
    The incidence of white-on-white rape is vastly more numerous. In fact it's an epidemic. If you were serious you'd concern yourself much more with that. Blacks are a minority surrounded by a sea of whites. Therefore, obviously, more whites are going to be victimized by black criminals than vice versa.

    “They were hateful and angry during slavery. They were hateful and angry after slavery. They were hateful and angry during Jim Crow. They were hateful and angry after Jim Crow. They will always be hateful and angry.”

    Black Fragility

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    Actually, they were sometimes quite friendly during slavery. Mary Boykin Chesnut was surprised when her family's house servants not only refused to leave when the Yankees matched in, but actually scolded Yankee officers for upsetting 'Miz Mary.'
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  96. @RJJCDA
    I new a guy who had a PhD, a published book, a semi-career as an expert/consultant on many documentaries seen on TV, but was passed over for tenure at a major university in favor of an African with only a Masters, and nothing else of distinction. Do you think resentment might have been spawned?

    Even as far back as late 70s, as an executive in the security business we employed many security officers who previously had been middle management but had been affirmative-actioned out. Some were dismissed by pure random processes as corporations endeavored to get the race ratios right.

    But this caused tragedies in these former well paid and upwardly mobile men's lives. They no longer could go to barbecues or other social events with their neighbors or former friends and associates. The shame of being now a lowly security guard became unbearable. Their kids sometimes were taunted like " what is your Daddy, a rent-a-cop?" The kids lost all respect for their fathers. and the wives lost their social standing; and frequently looked for divorce as a way out.

    And once being let go this way, it was extremely hard to be hired back in one's previous field at anywhere close to a previous position. So these guys' lives were over in many ways. They were crushed through no failures of their own. Some took to drink, some took to drugs, some worked for us at a fraction of previous pay and responsibilities and hoped for miracles. But I am sure ALL harbored deep-down resentments, and later became ardent Trump supporters.

    There was a movie, The Company Men, about this phenomenon. Underemployment of former middle-management personnel is a hard-to-quantify topic, but the social consequences can be very significant. I wonder how many of these men are a part of the “white death” phenomenon?

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  97. foobc2 says:
    @joe webb
    what me worry? India's national IQ average is 82.

    No such thing as Indian.

    Either Indo-European, Dravidan and Aboriginal and those are all entirely difference races. It’s like South African Boer and South African Black being called “South African”, with a averaged South African “IQ”

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  98. JackOH says:
    @RJJCDA
    I new a guy who had a PhD, a published book, a semi-career as an expert/consultant on many documentaries seen on TV, but was passed over for tenure at a major university in favor of an African with only a Masters, and nothing else of distinction. Do you think resentment might have been spawned?

    Even as far back as late 70s, as an executive in the security business we employed many security officers who previously had been middle management but had been affirmative-actioned out. Some were dismissed by pure random processes as corporations endeavored to get the race ratios right.

    But this caused tragedies in these former well paid and upwardly mobile men's lives. They no longer could go to barbecues or other social events with their neighbors or former friends and associates. The shame of being now a lowly security guard became unbearable. Their kids sometimes were taunted like " what is your Daddy, a rent-a-cop?" The kids lost all respect for their fathers. and the wives lost their social standing; and frequently looked for divorce as a way out.

    And once being let go this way, it was extremely hard to be hired back in one's previous field at anywhere close to a previous position. So these guys' lives were over in many ways. They were crushed through no failures of their own. Some took to drink, some took to drugs, some worked for us at a fraction of previous pay and responsibilities and hoped for miracles. But I am sure ALL harbored deep-down resentments, and later became ardent Trump supporters.

    RJJCDA, I’ve commented several times in detail about the crop of White guys I’ve met, well-educated and with good work experience, who’ve been abandoned by the job market, and will likely never work again in the field for which they’re trained. You see them working at convenience stores, gas stations, other retail, and, yep, private security.

    Historical comparisons are odious, but the Weimar Republic’s economic dislocation and decadence comes to mind. There’s that photo of the war-crippled German officer begging on the street in uniform, for instance. Unlike Weimar, we don’t have clear-cut choices of communism, national socialism, republicanism, and so on, ahead of us. All I can see ahead is more of our murky, corporation-informed government where clear-cut choices are punished.

    How much of those White dudes’ economic decline is actually the result of affirmative action, the White woman-preferred corporate version, I don’t know. But, as Prof. Weissberg suggests without exactly saying it, affirmative action gives us an America where merit and seniority are ignored (or at least ignorable) in favor of hiring to achieve political goals. Soviet Union much?

    “They no longer could go to barbecues or other social events with their neighbors or former friends and associates. The shame of being now a lowly security guard became unbearable.” BTW-that’s no small thing. Having been bashed about myself by job markets, I know that after a year or two of taking a beating, no one really wants to hear from you a whole lot.

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    Good post! Underemployment, paticularly of relatively highly educated, former middle managers is a hard-to-measure, hard-to-get-a-grip on economic and social phenomenon but I think it leads to a lot of simmering resentment. I wonder if a Huey Long type leader could put a match to it.
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  99. @JackOH
    RJJCDA, I've commented several times in detail about the crop of White guys I've met, well-educated and with good work experience, who've been abandoned by the job market, and will likely never work again in the field for which they're trained. You see them working at convenience stores, gas stations, other retail, and, yep, private security.

    Historical comparisons are odious, but the Weimar Republic's economic dislocation and decadence comes to mind. There's that photo of the war-crippled German officer begging on the street in uniform, for instance. Unlike Weimar, we don't have clear-cut choices of communism, national socialism, republicanism, and so on, ahead of us. All I can see ahead is more of our murky, corporation-informed government where clear-cut choices are punished.

    How much of those White dudes' economic decline is actually the result of affirmative action, the White woman-preferred corporate version, I don't know. But, as Prof. Weissberg suggests without exactly saying it, affirmative action gives us an America where merit and seniority are ignored (or at least ignorable) in favor of hiring to achieve political goals. Soviet Union much?

    "They no longer could go to barbecues or other social events with their neighbors or former friends and associates. The shame of being now a lowly security guard became unbearable." BTW-that's no small thing. Having been bashed about myself by job markets, I know that after a year or two of taking a beating, no one really wants to hear from you a whole lot.

    Good post! Underemployment, paticularly of relatively highly educated, former middle managers is a hard-to-measure, hard-to-get-a-grip on economic and social phenomenon but I think it leads to a lot of simmering resentment. I wonder if a Huey Long type leader could put a match to it.

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    "Underemployment, paticularly of relatively highly educated, former middle managers is a hard-to-measure, hard-to-get-a-grip on economic and social phenomenon . . .".

    You got that right, buddy! Downward mobility is big-time ugly. There's former prof Don Snyder's The Cliff Walk as an example of the literature of, for want of a better phrase, the defenestration of America's professional, technical, and managerial class.

    But, yeah, if you're a onetime computer guy with a major multinational, with budget and supervisory responsibilities and overseas postings, and you've been tossed aside to live on the occasional charity of family and a poorly paid job doing payroll for a local restaurant chain, well, you're technically employed. (I actually knew Gary D., the computer dude, in the 2000s. That's when it started to sink in that smart White guys were being made redundant.)
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  100. Ben Carson and plenty of other lead black medical specialist who’ve risen to apex of their specialty appear to drop out early to do something other like public service. Public service may be nice but again if you are at the apex you would in theory be doing what you love. Or do they realize the apex is a false narrative that they have ridden to and realize that at the top they can hop off without the embarassment of being found out. In the past had some minor bad ER stuff with black doctors such as bad stich up. Again not some life altering effect but a few of these and from others and it starts to register.

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  101. @Priss Factor
    Whom will progs side with?

    White girl or black security guard?

    https://twitter.com/CernovichNews/status/927210248376524801

    “Whom will progs side with?

    White girl or black security guard?”

    While they were carrying her out, she slapped the security guard. She got exactly what she deserved.

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    she slapped the security guard. She got exactly what she deserved.
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMDao6pOOiY&app=desktop

    I'm in my fifties and I've been struck and bit and slapped and even punched by girls several times in my life. (I think once I may have even deserved it ; )

    the idea of balling up my fist and punching a girl (or child) in the face- would be impossible for me

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  102. @anonymous
    Please have a friend or family member edit your next comment before publication. Much of this is incomprehensible.

    You are certainly welcome to tell me what you think is incomprehensible to you and and I will attempt to clarify it.

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  103. JackOH says:
    @Diversity Heretic
    Good post! Underemployment, paticularly of relatively highly educated, former middle managers is a hard-to-measure, hard-to-get-a-grip on economic and social phenomenon but I think it leads to a lot of simmering resentment. I wonder if a Huey Long type leader could put a match to it.

    “Underemployment, paticularly of relatively highly educated, former middle managers is a hard-to-measure, hard-to-get-a-grip on economic and social phenomenon . . .”.

    You got that right, buddy! Downward mobility is big-time ugly. There’s former prof Don Snyder’s The Cliff Walk as an example of the literature of, for want of a better phrase, the defenestration of America’s professional, technical, and managerial class.

    But, yeah, if you’re a onetime computer guy with a major multinational, with budget and supervisory responsibilities and overseas postings, and you’ve been tossed aside to live on the occasional charity of family and a poorly paid job doing payroll for a local restaurant chain, well, you’re technically employed. (I actually knew Gary D., the computer dude, in the 2000s. That’s when it started to sink in that smart White guys were being made redundant.)

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    Very relevant. My PhD scholarship in history was yanked in secret after I criticized Karl Marx in a graduate class. I taught college briefly, very briefly, was fired after I gave an F to a student who failed every exam n then plagiarized his term paper. My supervisor said "We don't fail students here." So I went to law school. I practiced for several years but got tired of going to lawyer events that were crashed by loud black women lawyers who would take over the proceedings n make sure that no white male got to speak.

    My wife n daughter are in high demand in the job market. With 3 degrees n 3 languages, I am not. I prefer to study n write books anyway so I don't care that I'm unemployable, but my primary training is for college teaching which isn't happening because I don't fit in with PC. My 2 sons n son in law are all in their twenties, all are unemployed, n all have given up looking for work. They have many young white male friends, n from what I can tell all of them are also either unemployed or only marginally employed.
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  104. @Okechukwu

    A well off black businessman had money but was not a big time player in his industry, however because big company A was about to be bought by bigger company B, this acquiring company needed a black “owner” to be involved in the transaction in order to secure regulatory approval.
     
    Not blacks exclusively, but any minority or woman.That includes South Asians, Arabs, Chinese, Japanese and most especially, Native Americans. There are some business projects that are impossible without Native American participation. There are more scams involved in that than anything having to do with blacks, which tend to be few and far between.

    So do you support doing away with AA? The palm-greasing makes it very expensive.

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    So do you support doing away with AA? The palm-greasing makes it very expensive.
     
    I would support a system based on income levels, with a de-emphasis on uplifting white women (and white men by extension) who have overwhelmingly been the prime beneficiaries.
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  105. @Unladen Swallow
    He has also made the point that most of the benefits of AA accrue disproportionately to the black elite in this country. Now however that in the context of university admissions this often means elite blacks from the Caribbean and Africa getting a hugely disproportionate share of spots at elite universities over not rich native blacks. I did see once in the mainstream media ( Maybe late 90's early 00's, maybe in a business magazine ) a very in depth look at how rich blacks game the system. A well off black businessman had money but was not a big time player in his industry, however because big company A was about to be bought by bigger company B, this acquiring company needed a black "owner" to be involved in the transaction in order to secure regulatory approval.

    The bigger company either gave him a contract with them or gave him a small equity stake ( I don't remember for sure ) but this front guy walked away with many times ( At least a factor of 5 ) increase in his net worth merely for being a necessary legal fiction for federal approval. This guy was already affluent, but now because a program justified in the name of helping poor blacks was now a multimillionaire. The money was tip money to the multinationals involved, but a lot of money to an individual who could position themselves to benefit from AA.

    Yeah, that’s another effect of mandating diversity of skin color or dangly versus non-dangly genitalia. As I recall, Norway has a 40% female directors requirement, but there are only a few trusted women who fill most of those seats and collect the money.

    I met a guy whose job it was to recruit “safe”diversity people for corporate boards, ones who would take the money and not cause harm. I was going to promote two of my Haitian PhDs to him but that situation fell apart before I could do so. They’d have been positive contributors. Of course, they’re not native African Americans.

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  106. joef says:
    @Okechukwu
    You need serious psychiatric attention.

    Just don't go on a rampage and cut down dozens of innocent people, as happened yet again today by yet another non-Afro.

    oh please what nonsense… typical leftist ad hominem attack in an attempt to discredit others empirical experiences that do not conform to unrealistic leftist dogma… just because you are uncomfortable with the truth, does not make it false (if it overwhelms your sheltered world, not my problem). At no point did I ever comment/condone about committing atrocities against afros, merely that afros are committing daily atrocities against the rest of us (so do not assume just because you don’t agree with the content).

    If you read the newspapers, and look at national crime data, for the last half century (and lived in an adjoining neighborhood to an afro urban ghetto) you will know that afro americans kill more of their fellow American residents than any other category of people, including acts of terror (this is accumulated on a daily basis).

    You can pretend otherwise in your bubble world, but once others are repeatedly exposed to antisocial afro american behavior, at the very least they prefer not to live among them, and practice avoidance. At worst, they have very negative feelings towards their destructive behavior, and dislike them … what you are afraid of is that you know this negative reinforcement is actually true (unlike you, most people will not continuously ignore their own negative experiences in order to be politically correct… they will believe the libs until first hand experience finally discredits it… and at that point your convoluted arguments to the contrary will have no effect).

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  107. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @LauraMR
    First, the myth of affirmative action.

    Yes, the policy exists and it is in place. Yes, some undeserving people get pushed through. But what most people miss is that if you are a "minority" you get rejected despite being perfectly qualified.

    What!!!. That's correct. I graduated top of the top and not only I was not given scholarships (they went to the "white" students that copied off my exams), I was told that I would never be admitted even if I paid full tuition.

    It was only after a friend suggested to my young naive self to apply as "white" that I finally got accepted and with a full scholarship (among other benefits) since, after all, my grades were off the charts.

    Second, the "white anger". It does not exist. Are some "white people" angry? Of course. So are some "non-white people". It means nothing. Yes, it is amplified by the echo chamber of the web but it is insignificant in reality. Ultimately, it's no more than the product of an irresponsible media whose dribble is meant to turn the news into another TV drama so that viewers keep tuning in.

    Interesting. My story is almost exactly the same except for the fact that I graduated top of the top of the top and my skin colour is blue. They wouldn’t let me apply unless I could provide an outrageous amount of unobtanium or tick the “white nationalist” box.

    I feel you, sista’.

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    If only you had actually been to college, you would know. None of this is a secret.

    For more details, read my answer to the other fellow unable to see beyond "white".
    , @Reg Cæsar

    I feel you, sista’.
     
    Careful. That's what cost Harvey his job.
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  108. AndrewR says:

    Imagine if a speaker at a Trump a rally was more forthcoming: “We are sick and tired of being pushed aside so that some incompetent minority can take our place in the name of diversity whose only purpose is to make some airhead social justice warrior feel good about herself. How many people in this audience personally know anybody who lost their job to a less-qualified ‘diversity candidate’? Give me a show of hands.”

    Imagine a speaker at a Trump rally not named Donald Trump. It defies credulity.

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  109. Rurik says: • Website

    the entire principle of the rule of law is that it applies to everyone equally, or it’s a patent fraud used as a truncheon to enforce a tyranny

    originally the law only applied to white people, because they were the only ones who were civilized and could appreciate the concept and the hard-won invention of the rule of law and human freedom

    such a notion is not only alien to primitive people, it’s also anathema, as we see today in Africa and the Middle East

    today the descendants of the people who invented human freedom and fought wars to achieve it, are the only ones who the law is used against to treat as second class citizens, having handed over the reins of government to ((people)) who, by their actions prove they are congenitally incapable of being civilized, and recognizing the concept and principle of the rule of law.

    Rhodesia / Zimbabwe, Palestine / Israel, are cases in point

    you can’t give primitive and ((tribal)) people the keys to your civilized kingdom and expect then to rule like Thomas Jefferson. It doesn’t work like that.

    DUH

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  110. Rurik says:
    @Ozymandias
    "Whom will progs side with?

    White girl or black security guard?"

    While they were carrying her out, she slapped the security guard. She got exactly what she deserved.

    she slapped the security guard. She got exactly what she deserved.

    I’m in my fifties and I’ve been struck and bit and slapped and even punched by girls several times in my life. (I think once I may have even deserved it ; )

    the idea of balling up my fist and punching a girl (or child) in the face- would be impossible for me

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    the idea of balling up my fist and punching a girl (or child) in the face- would be impossible for me
     
    You put a girl (or, actually, a full grown woman as in that movie above) and a child in the same category.
    Interesting.

    As for a full grown FEMALE, would you be comfortable with a short uppercut into plexus...for example?
    I mean, in that nice movie example, the..."girl" could've kicked him between legs. Modern violent females, I believe, sometimes try that. Or I am mistaken?

    Modern females also tend to gang up...sometimes....
    How about punching and kicking back (or pre-emptive should you care to see it coming)?
    They tend to pull knives sometimes too. Especially of certain...race.

    Oh, BTW, the female in the movie above could've tried to rake the guy's eyes.
    Would a good cross/hook have been justified then...or not?

    Don't know....but looks to me as that "gentleman" attitude doesn't apply anymore today.
    I mean....not many ladies left.....we are all, females say...equal. Fine. Then, when it gets violent, you get the equal action.

    Makes sense?

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  111. peterAUS says:
    @Rurik

    she slapped the security guard. She got exactly what she deserved.
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMDao6pOOiY&app=desktop

    I'm in my fifties and I've been struck and bit and slapped and even punched by girls several times in my life. (I think once I may have even deserved it ; )

    the idea of balling up my fist and punching a girl (or child) in the face- would be impossible for me

    the idea of balling up my fist and punching a girl (or child) in the face- would be impossible for me

    You put a girl (or, actually, a full grown woman as in that movie above) and a child in the same category.
    Interesting.

    As for a full grown FEMALE, would you be comfortable with a short uppercut into plexus…for example?
    I mean, in that nice movie example, the…”girl” could’ve kicked him between legs. Modern violent females, I believe, sometimes try that. Or I am mistaken?

    Modern females also tend to gang up…sometimes….
    How about punching and kicking back (or pre-emptive should you care to see it coming)?
    They tend to pull knives sometimes too. Especially of certain…race.

    Oh, BTW, the female in the movie above could’ve tried to rake the guy’s eyes.
    Would a good cross/hook have been justified then…or not?

    Don’t know….but looks to me as that “gentleman” attitude doesn’t apply anymore today.
    I mean….not many ladies left…..we are all, females say…equal. Fine. Then, when it gets violent, you get the equal action.

    Makes sense?

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    Don’t know….but looks to me as that “gentleman” attitude doesn’t apply anymore today.
     
    I get what you're saying about a dangerous female orc. They're out there to be sure, and absolutely, if a female posed a threat, then I'd do what was necessary to protect myself, for sure.

    But that drunken slapper flailing around in the air who caught the seemingly powerful (and you would think, trained) man with a slap- looked like hardly any kind of serious threat to me.

    More like some of the drunken slappers I've seen outside bars at three in the morning, aggressive and verbally abusive, but hardly a threat.

    So yea, in the same category as a brat, who's tossing shit at me, because he's angry and he wasn't raised right.

    I'd grab him and 'disarm' him, but I certainly would ball my fist and bash him in the face, like the cop did to the drunk girl.
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  112. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @The Alarmist
    I do my part by checking the African American box on all those official forms. It helps skew the results of that group upwards so that it looks like there is even less justification for the leg up. Call it the Dolezal Coefficient.

    Fantastic. Will start doing.

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  113. It’s long past time that a bunch of judges died.

    What are we pissing a trillion dollars on if not for defending against treason?

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  114. Spud Boy says:

    I’m a single-issue voter on affirmative action. I will NEVER support any candidate or political party that favors it.

    I wrote a research paper as a college freshman in 1980 opposing affirmative action. We will never have good race relations in America until AE is dead and buried.

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  115. Analogy doesn’t entirely work. Vegetables really ARE good for you.

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  116. @Issac
    "They were hateful and angry during slavery. They were hateful and angry after slavery. They were hateful and angry during Jim Crow. They were hateful and angry after Jim Crow. They will always be hateful and angry."

    Black Fragility

    Actually, they were sometimes quite friendly during slavery. Mary Boykin Chesnut was surprised when her family’s house servants not only refused to leave when the Yankees matched in, but actually scolded Yankee officers for upsetting ‘Miz Mary.’

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  117. LauraMR says:
    @Astuteobservor II
    woah, that is very very different than everything I have read so far. thanks for sharing.

    may I ask what races you are a mix of?

    may I ask what races you are a mix of?

    None.

    Race in our country is mostly a fictional construct with its basis in some bizarre form of political kabuki.

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  118. LauraMR says:
    @MarkinLA
    I am calling BS.

    It’s gonna hurt even more.

    Once in graduate school, I was the topmost student, second to none. But do guess who was the second. A Mexican. And the third, a woman from Madagascar. The three of us pushed the curve up so much that the faculty was forced to manufacture “creative” strategies to allow our “white” classmates to graduate…

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    One thing I do know about extremely intelligent people since I have been working around plenty of people with PhDs, MS, and BS in engineering is that the people who tend to brag about themselves and their intellect or grades being "off the chart" usually are the dumbest in the bunch.

    I heard enough of this "You have to twice as good if you are black" whining from mediocre black engineers to last a lifetime.

    Your whole fantasy world however, is quite entertaining.

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  119. LauraMR says:
    @Anonymous
    Interesting. My story is almost exactly the same except for the fact that I graduated top of the top of the top and my skin colour is blue. They wouldn't let me apply unless I could provide an outrageous amount of unobtanium or tick the "white nationalist" box.

    I feel you, sista'.

    If only you had actually been to college, you would know. None of this is a secret.

    For more details, read my answer to the other fellow unable to see beyond “white”.

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  120. Rurik says:
    @peterAUS

    the idea of balling up my fist and punching a girl (or child) in the face- would be impossible for me
     
    You put a girl (or, actually, a full grown woman as in that movie above) and a child in the same category.
    Interesting.

    As for a full grown FEMALE, would you be comfortable with a short uppercut into plexus...for example?
    I mean, in that nice movie example, the..."girl" could've kicked him between legs. Modern violent females, I believe, sometimes try that. Or I am mistaken?

    Modern females also tend to gang up...sometimes....
    How about punching and kicking back (or pre-emptive should you care to see it coming)?
    They tend to pull knives sometimes too. Especially of certain...race.

    Oh, BTW, the female in the movie above could've tried to rake the guy's eyes.
    Would a good cross/hook have been justified then...or not?

    Don't know....but looks to me as that "gentleman" attitude doesn't apply anymore today.
    I mean....not many ladies left.....we are all, females say...equal. Fine. Then, when it gets violent, you get the equal action.

    Makes sense?

    Don’t know….but looks to me as that “gentleman” attitude doesn’t apply anymore today.

    I get what you’re saying about a dangerous female orc. They’re out there to be sure, and absolutely, if a female posed a threat, then I’d do what was necessary to protect myself, for sure.

    But that drunken slapper flailing around in the air who caught the seemingly powerful (and you would think, trained) man with a slap- looked like hardly any kind of serious threat to me.

    More like some of the drunken slappers I’ve seen outside bars at three in the morning, aggressive and verbally abusive, but hardly a threat.

    So yea, in the same category as a brat, who’s tossing shit at me, because he’s angry and he wasn’t raised right.

    I’d grab him and ‘disarm’ him, but I certainly would ball my fist and bash him in the face, like the cop did to the drunk girl.

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    Agree.

    I chimed in this thread because of that, often misplaced/outdated attitude "white angry men" have today.
    Combination of "old school"/gentleman and "new school"/emasculated.

    Boils down to reasoning, self restraint, totally emasculated (pun intended) approach to self defense and such.
    And then, those types wonder how come we are constantly on the back foot, constantly retreating, constantly losing ground.
    A "red line"/line in the sand is drawn->then, a "debate" and "reasoning" starts from that very line but always...always....into our protected territory. And then, a compromise, always into our "area", and then a small retreat (frog in a boiling water).
    Then the new line in the sand is drawn...and the same game starts all over again.
    And again.

    I just watched that show "Yes Prime minister" again. There is one episode where all people in power there (Prime Minister, a couple of Cabinet Ministers and senior civil service mandarins, all white males......) are laughing when a youngish Minister proposed a heavy tax on smoking.
    And, where are the smokers today?
    Who is laughing now?

    Back to violence. Basics of it.
    Fact: a man can never out talk a women in a heated conversation.
    Fact: if there is a report of violence the state response is ALWAYS starting on premise that the man is the culprit.

    I remember when I was young a woman wouldn't behave as I see them behaving now.

    You walk along the street and, say, bump into a woman->you say "sorry", she says "no problem". If she says something else you give her a look and she knows what's going to happen next if she tries to escalate. Just a look. And it would escalate in instant.
    Peace.

    Today, a man can expect a torrent of not so pleasant words. Look means nothing, she simply doesn't get it. The smart man walks away. Not so smart man starts arguing and that, in public, almost always ends with even more humiliating retreat.
    Or explosion of violence out of blue and out of proportion. Towards anyone at the place and time.

    Domestic scenario:
    A dispute->both start arguing->as argument gets into heated verbal fight a man, naturally, shortens his replies->woman, naturally, lengthens her replies->man gets angrier and starts replying in shorter and shorter sentences->woman, seeing space, opens up with even more words, and, on top of it, she can really say a LOT just to hurt->man starts responding in syllables->she truly opens up (that's where his masculinity is usually derided ........)->WHACK.
    She didn't even recognize that right cross coming, didn't/couldn't compensate and gets, effectively, knocked down, sometimes even out.
    She stays on the floor and now starts screaming->somebody calls police.
    The rest of the game is well known............

    And that creates an..interesting...circle.

    Women today know that any "public response" will be in her favor.
    So, they use it, as a weapon. That creates frustration...resentment....anger....seething rage....so when that explodes a woman most of the time gets really hurt.
    Not anymore just grab her with "shut the f&*k up" and all that stops. Till next time, of course but that's another story.
    Now it gets into rage with bashing and kicking which results in coma and lengthy prison sentence.
    Which then fuels the "system" and SJWs, feminists in particular.
    So, more brainwashing (males are bad), more laws, more taxpayer money on all that......and, of course....more seething rage needing almost nothing to explode.
    A perfect cycle.
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  121. anarchyst says:
    @Unladen Swallow
    He has also made the point that most of the benefits of AA accrue disproportionately to the black elite in this country. Now however that in the context of university admissions this often means elite blacks from the Caribbean and Africa getting a hugely disproportionate share of spots at elite universities over not rich native blacks. I did see once in the mainstream media ( Maybe late 90's early 00's, maybe in a business magazine ) a very in depth look at how rich blacks game the system. A well off black businessman had money but was not a big time player in his industry, however because big company A was about to be bought by bigger company B, this acquiring company needed a black "owner" to be involved in the transaction in order to secure regulatory approval.

    The bigger company either gave him a contract with them or gave him a small equity stake ( I don't remember for sure ) but this front guy walked away with many times ( At least a factor of 5 ) increase in his net worth merely for being a necessary legal fiction for federal approval. This guy was already affluent, but now because a program justified in the name of helping poor blacks was now a multimillionaire. The money was tip money to the multinationals involved, but a lot of money to an individual who could position themselves to benefit from AA.

    This form of “affirmative action” is rampant in the federal contracts arena, as “minority-owned” firms can place bids up to 15% higher and still be awarded a federal contract. I personally witnessed this when a small “minority native-American” firm was awarded a federal contract for security services. This “minority-owned” company knew NOTHING about security, so they hired the next highest bidder (that was a well-known international security firm) to perform the contract while the “minority-owned” company “skimmed a profit” for doing absolutely nothing.
    This is how contracting in the federal government works…

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    That's actually not too bad of an outcome. The costs of bad security by know-nothing's is much higher than a 15% overcharge.
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  122. @anarchyst
    sorry about that, I totally AGREE with you...just hit the wrong button...

    Whewww! That’s a relief to me too, as I agreed with this great post by Mr.(?) Pater, and I was surprised to see you disagree. I had to click down to see why one of the smart guys on here would disagree.

    Yes, the costs have been tremendous and incalculable.

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  123. @animalogic
    Regardless of how "affirmative action" is defined in principle & practice it should NEVER be prioritised over the merit principle. Merit is the bedrock of modern culture.
    However:
    "Simply put, if diversity is so wonderful, and in the self-interest of universities and businesses, why must it be imposed forcefully? "
    Good question. Back in the 70-80's women & minorities were trying to break into the business etc world. There WAS discrimination based on gender & race. It was positive to prioritise women & minorities when merit was the first priority. It was an effort to change a culture. Simply, to give everyone a "fair go".
    The culture has moved on since then. Equality, but based on merit, should be accepted.
    Diversity, for diversity's sake, is ridiculous. "Diversity" is now a blunt instrument wielded by the identity politics crowd for their own political benefit.

    Good question. Back in the 70-80′s women & minorities were trying to break into the business etc world. There WAS discrimination based on gender & race. It was positive to prioritise women & minorities when merit was the first priority. It was an effort to change a culture. Simply, to give everyone a “fair go”.

    That’s wrong. You shouldn’t write about it, if you weren’t around then and don’t make an effort to get the truth. This stuff started way back in the early 1970′s. I know a guy personally who was not able to get his dream job spinning records at a small country music radio station, because the boss was required to hire a black guy to satisfy the FCC. Did I mention already it was a country music radio station? Yeah, white men have been getting screwed (just the direct screwing of losing out on job positions) for over 4 decades.

    Nobody was discriminating against black people with equal merit back in the 1970′s – that’s a load of crap. BTW, I also know that my friend would not have had a chance of getting hired at the black radio station, even if he wanted to spin whatever music they wre playing. There was no FCC rule going that direction.

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  124. peterAUS says:
    @Rurik

    Don’t know….but looks to me as that “gentleman” attitude doesn’t apply anymore today.
     
    I get what you're saying about a dangerous female orc. They're out there to be sure, and absolutely, if a female posed a threat, then I'd do what was necessary to protect myself, for sure.

    But that drunken slapper flailing around in the air who caught the seemingly powerful (and you would think, trained) man with a slap- looked like hardly any kind of serious threat to me.

    More like some of the drunken slappers I've seen outside bars at three in the morning, aggressive and verbally abusive, but hardly a threat.

    So yea, in the same category as a brat, who's tossing shit at me, because he's angry and he wasn't raised right.

    I'd grab him and 'disarm' him, but I certainly would ball my fist and bash him in the face, like the cop did to the drunk girl.

    Agree.

    I chimed in this thread because of that, often misplaced/outdated attitude “white angry men” have today.
    Combination of “old school”/gentleman and “new school”/emasculated.

    Boils down to reasoning, self restraint, totally emasculated (pun intended) approach to self defense and such.
    And then, those types wonder how come we are constantly on the back foot, constantly retreating, constantly losing ground.
    A “red line”/line in the sand is drawn->then, a “debate” and “reasoning” starts from that very line but always…always….into our protected territory. And then, a compromise, always into our “area”, and then a small retreat (frog in a boiling water).
    Then the new line in the sand is drawn…and the same game starts all over again.
    And again.

    I just watched that show “Yes Prime minister” again. There is one episode where all people in power there (Prime Minister, a couple of Cabinet Ministers and senior civil service mandarins, all white males……) are laughing when a youngish Minister proposed a heavy tax on smoking.
    And, where are the smokers today?
    Who is laughing now?

    Back to violence. Basics of it.
    Fact: a man can never out talk a women in a heated conversation.
    Fact: if there is a report of violence the state response is ALWAYS starting on premise that the man is the culprit.

    I remember when I was young a woman wouldn’t behave as I see them behaving now.

    You walk along the street and, say, bump into a woman->you say “sorry”, she says “no problem”. If she says something else you give her a look and she knows what’s going to happen next if she tries to escalate. Just a look. And it would escalate in instant.
    Peace.

    Today, a man can expect a torrent of not so pleasant words. Look means nothing, she simply doesn’t get it. The smart man walks away. Not so smart man starts arguing and that, in public, almost always ends with even more humiliating retreat.
    Or explosion of violence out of blue and out of proportion. Towards anyone at the place and time.

    Domestic scenario:
    A dispute->both start arguing->as argument gets into heated verbal fight a man, naturally, shortens his replies->woman, naturally, lengthens her replies->man gets angrier and starts replying in shorter and shorter sentences->woman, seeing space, opens up with even more words, and, on top of it, she can really say a LOT just to hurt->man starts responding in syllables->she truly opens up (that’s where his masculinity is usually derided ……..)->WHACK.
    She didn’t even recognize that right cross coming, didn’t/couldn’t compensate and gets, effectively, knocked down, sometimes even out.
    She stays on the floor and now starts screaming->somebody calls police.
    The rest of the game is well known…………

    And that creates an..interesting…circle.

    Women today know that any “public response” will be in her favor.
    So, they use it, as a weapon. That creates frustration…resentment….anger….seething rage….so when that explodes a woman most of the time gets really hurt.
    Not anymore just grab her with “shut the f&*k up” and all that stops. Till next time, of course but that’s another story.
    Now it gets into rage with bashing and kicking which results in coma and lengthy prison sentence.
    Which then fuels the “system” and SJWs, feminists in particular.
    So, more brainwashing (males are bad), more laws, more taxpayer money on all that……and, of course….more seething rage needing almost nothing to explode.
    A perfect cycle.

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    And then, those types wonder how come we are constantly on the back foot, constantly retreating, constantly losing ground.
     
    it's a pendulum swing to the left

    I suspect it's at its apex right now, and will begin swinging back to the right soon, if recent events are any indication. And if the Deepstate/globalists haven't yet consolidated their absolute power over all the levers of Western, global power. Which if they had, we'd be at war with Iran and Russia by now.


    masculinity is usually derided ……..)->WHACK.
     
    before that happens, there is usually some deep and simmering resentments in the relationship.

    Women as you know never come out and say what they're angry about. It's always oblique and masked with talk of barely related issues or subjects.

    If she's unhappy about something, then she's not going to tell you what it is, she's just going to make you suffer. And if you're in a relationship, then she knows what buttons to push.

    And then you're right, if it gets physical, then you lose.


    Women today know that any “public response” will be in her favor.
    So, they use it, as a weapon
     
    yes, just like divorce. It's a sword of Damocles hanging over all Western men's heads, unless you have a solid relationship.

    there's an interesting relationship website that I've perused from time to time just to see what they're extoling on any given day. I suspect that they're on to something, exactly what I can't say. It's not just for single guys looking for better strategies for getting laid, it also has some interesting insights into the nature of the sexes and our hardwiring. Relationships and such.

    If I'm not mistaken, The Unz Review even linked to it at one time, but then thought better of it.

    anyways, check it out, and let me know what you think..

    https://heartiste.wordpress.com/

    https://heartiste.wordpress.com/the-sixteen-commandments-of-poon/

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  125. COMPROMISE, n. Such an adjustment of conflicting interests as gives each adversary the satisfaction of thinking he has got what he ought not to have, and is deprived of nothing except what was justly his due. – Ambrose Bierce, The Devil’s Dictionary

    In an environment of limited opportunities the sense of deprivation rules.

    For decades we have lived on “expanding opportunity” that was bought on credit. The bills are coming due, austerity will be the order of the day, and the anger will only grow.

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    For decades we have lived on “expanding opportunity” that was bought on credit. The bills are coming due, austerity will be the order of the day, and the anger will only grow.

    another Fred, my friend, what do we do?

    I see this column (and most of the comments) as the tip of an iceberg of RAGE.

    I'm a middle-aged white guy who largely won the "game." I have savings, a comfortable life and my kids are all among the rare 20/30-somethings with good jobs and stable, traditional lives, yet I'm beside myself with outrage at the state of affairs.

    The "News" is always but a tiny slice of reality, yet it feels like a constant physical assault, watching how savagery and barbarism are rewarded while those who feel outraged are berated as cruel racist/homophobic/transphobic monsters.

    Underclass blacks riot and burn? The weakest, most vile human beings who share my political system prostrate themselves in appeasement. My "fix?" Shopkeepers and property owners OPEN FIRE on anyone who looks like a rioter. (Oh, they might choose to be "nice" and use 22 long rifle firearms for a slightly lower kill-count, but TOLERATING destruction, appeasing those who do it is an OUTRAGE.)

    Everywhere a black is promoted to a position of power there follows a level of corruption that rivals the Irish-immigrant-run Big City despotisms of the 20th century combined with a level of incompetence only found in places like Zimbabwe. Places where Mestizos predominate quickly mirror the kleptocracies of Mexican states and Central America.

    Yet their sons and daughters have an automatic "in" wherever they go, and their marginally competent examples vault to positions of power over far more qualified friends, neighbors and countrymen.

    When this 50 year lurch into monetary/fiscal/economic insanity ends, and people are figuratively thrown into the restaurant's kitchen to wash dishes (because their credit card was declined and they can't pay for the food they ate), the dam will burst on the RAGE I know they feel.

    Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind.

    The only part of this I actually look forward to is the opportunity to directly or vicariously participate in the punishment of my fellow "whites" who marched visibly at the front of this long Clown Parade.

    We know who you are. And when the worm turns, you'll discover we don't forget and we don't forgive.
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  126. @lyrker
    Is your name really Robert Weissberg? Is English your first language? Have you not realized the SAT is scored at 2400 now?

    Well, lyrker, it was scored at 2400, but only from 2005 to 2015. As of 2016, it is again scored at 1600.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAT

    Look for yourself. Under the “History” section you can see that this is so.

    But, given that Mr. Weissberg was largely referring to the period of time when the governmental and societal pressures were ramping up for forced diversity, the score maximum was 1600. You should feel more than a little silly for your unjustified ad hominems against Mr. Weissberg given this indisputable fact.

    Maybe you are just a shitlib, and such is only to be expected from those who can’t think straight, and are not concerned with accuracy. In fact, given that your handle has no recent commenting history, I think that you are just some pissed off troll. Back under the bridge with you.

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  127. @Okechukwu
    Let's see, Trump got roughly the same percentage of the white male vote as Romney. So there goes that theory.

    White men are prime beneficiaries of Affirmative Action via white women. Adding to that white privilege and institutionalized advantage makes for a powerful combination.

    Same percentage, but was there a difference in voter turnout?

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    Same percentage, but was there a difference in voter turnout?
     
    Trump got 2 million more votes than Romney. There was a larger voter pool in 2016 but with less voter participation. Trump also got a larger share of the minority vote than Romney.
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  128. @JackOH
    "Underemployment, paticularly of relatively highly educated, former middle managers is a hard-to-measure, hard-to-get-a-grip on economic and social phenomenon . . .".

    You got that right, buddy! Downward mobility is big-time ugly. There's former prof Don Snyder's The Cliff Walk as an example of the literature of, for want of a better phrase, the defenestration of America's professional, technical, and managerial class.

    But, yeah, if you're a onetime computer guy with a major multinational, with budget and supervisory responsibilities and overseas postings, and you've been tossed aside to live on the occasional charity of family and a poorly paid job doing payroll for a local restaurant chain, well, you're technically employed. (I actually knew Gary D., the computer dude, in the 2000s. That's when it started to sink in that smart White guys were being made redundant.)

    Very relevant. My PhD scholarship in history was yanked in secret after I criticized Karl Marx in a graduate class. I taught college briefly, very briefly, was fired after I gave an F to a student who failed every exam n then plagiarized his term paper. My supervisor said “We don’t fail students here.” So I went to law school. I practiced for several years but got tired of going to lawyer events that were crashed by loud black women lawyers who would take over the proceedings n make sure that no white male got to speak.

    My wife n daughter are in high demand in the job market. With 3 degrees n 3 languages, I am not. I prefer to study n write books anyway so I don’t care that I’m unemployable, but my primary training is for college teaching which isn’t happening because I don’t fit in with PC. My 2 sons n son in law are all in their twenties, all are unemployed, n all have given up looking for work. They have many young white male friends, n from what I can tell all of them are also either unemployed or only marginally employed.

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    SCM, thanks.

    "My 2 sons n son in law are all in their twenties, all are unemployed, n all have given up looking for work. They have many young white male friends, n from what I can tell all of them are also either unemployed or only marginally employed."

    I've known two young guys, sons of neighbors, both college-educated and working minimum-wage jobs in their late 20s. They can't afford to move out, they can't afford to date, marry, start a family, buy a house, etc. Their grandparents could.

    I don't want to overplay the "smart White guys are getting mashed" story. I can't really hang any numbers on the story. But the anecdotal stuff I've gathered over the years is knife-in-the-ribs painful. And, there seems to be no possibility of making a credible case for political relief, either. If you're a White guy with a good education and decent table manners, it's simply assumed you'll bounce back from temporary adversity to that next career opportunity.
    , @TomSchmidt
    Smart white men are the chief competition of the smart, venal white men at the apex of institutions, those "white men"everyone complains about (not, frankly, without some justification.) unable to strike at or dislodge the sociopaths at the top of the pyramid, anger gets directed against the men from a similar background.

    Now, could bands of disaffected white men form cooperative corporations, limited in size to 15 or fewer (so as to be untouchable by Federal discrimination law), to gain the benefit of working together? It's possible, but I haven't seen it.
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  129. Dr. Doom says:

    We all know its jews. Its always jews. Whether they get some drunken White guy like Teddy Kennedy to put his face in front of them or not. We know. You haven’t seen us mad yet boy. When you do, you better forget about it. You have nowhere to run to anymore sport. You have tipped off the whole world to your toxic character. You have no skills or brains at all. You do it all by bribery, corruption, blackmail and murder. You are of your Father the Devil. He was a liar and murderer from the beginning. You might actually be worse, cause you are more numerous. Cancerous and full of hatred for White Men.
    Why? Cause we shut down your slavery racket and demand morality. The only guy you hate more than Hitler is Jesus the Nazarene. Oh we know. You haven’t seen us angry yet, but you will. You have nowhere to run and no one will listen to your sob story anymore. Laugh, cry, whatever. Your game is over. You took it global and that was your LAST MISTAKE. EVERYONE KNOWS NOW.

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  130. I only like diversity if it is voluntary or based on merit.

    I enjoy ethnic restaurants, shops, and festivals.

    Nevertheless, I will avoid a large gathering of blacks, because violence is likely to break out. The few whites in attendance at a black gathering will be particularly vulnerable.

    Leading corporations like Microsoft and Facebook hire a large number of people born in other countries who speak English as a second language. Nevertheless, in such a corporation there is no diversity when it comes to IQ power. Everyone is far to the right of the bell curve.

    Nothing of value is achieved by lowering standards to admit members of under performing races.

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    Nothing of value is achieved by lowering standards to admit members of under performing races.
     
    Nothing of value is achieved by admitting even the "best and brightest" from India, China, Japan, etc.

    Why is it even the least bit controversial to know that once such people achieve more than a token percentage of a population they will immediately and inevitably set about recreating their "home country's" political/legal/social arrangements?

    Would I want to live in a community made up predominantly of high-IQ Chinese? Or Indians? Their culture is not MY culture. Why on Earth would I support importing millions of such people...because I want a new PHONE?

    No.

    They all have to go back.
    It's okay to be white.

    In fact, it's okay to want to be surrounded by the subset of whites who share my culture. Those who say otherwise should have the courage to show up and try to force me to live otherwise, rather than "voting" to have their imaginary preferences jammed down my throat by their agents.
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  131. Those who claim “diversity is our strength,” have difficulty explaining just exactly what that “strength” is.

    The only diversity that has merit is diversity based on individual merit. Jews and Orientals earn their positions at the top. Members of low performance races frequently do not.

    If proximity dispels prejudice, why are Southern whites the most prejudiced whites in the country?

    Affirmative action does not create opportunities. It takes opportunities from those who deserve them, and gives them to those who do not deserve them. In a stagnant economy, in which computer technology increases the need for brilliant people to be in charge, this is going to be more of an issue as time goes on.

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  132. JackOH says:
    @Sin City Milla
    Very relevant. My PhD scholarship in history was yanked in secret after I criticized Karl Marx in a graduate class. I taught college briefly, very briefly, was fired after I gave an F to a student who failed every exam n then plagiarized his term paper. My supervisor said "We don't fail students here." So I went to law school. I practiced for several years but got tired of going to lawyer events that were crashed by loud black women lawyers who would take over the proceedings n make sure that no white male got to speak.

    My wife n daughter are in high demand in the job market. With 3 degrees n 3 languages, I am not. I prefer to study n write books anyway so I don't care that I'm unemployable, but my primary training is for college teaching which isn't happening because I don't fit in with PC. My 2 sons n son in law are all in their twenties, all are unemployed, n all have given up looking for work. They have many young white male friends, n from what I can tell all of them are also either unemployed or only marginally employed.

    SCM, thanks.

    “My 2 sons n son in law are all in their twenties, all are unemployed, n all have given up looking for work. They have many young white male friends, n from what I can tell all of them are also either unemployed or only marginally employed.”

    I’ve known two young guys, sons of neighbors, both college-educated and working minimum-wage jobs in their late 20s. They can’t afford to move out, they can’t afford to date, marry, start a family, buy a house, etc. Their grandparents could.

    I don’t want to overplay the “smart White guys are getting mashed” story. I can’t really hang any numbers on the story. But the anecdotal stuff I’ve gathered over the years is knife-in-the-ribs painful. And, there seems to be no possibility of making a credible case for political relief, either. If you’re a White guy with a good education and decent table manners, it’s simply assumed you’ll bounce back from temporary adversity to that next career opportunity.

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  133. @wayfarer

    Explaining the Spread of Black Anger
    The Black Male Martyrs Brigade Has Awakened and is On the March

     

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGlarvJMzsw

    ...

    The only reason BLM-style mayhem continues is that social mood (reflected by the stock averages) remains absurdly high, and coincides with a belief that “we can easily afford the replacement costs.”

    Wait until this Long Boom ends (and high living standards turned out to be entirely enabled by using the National Mastercard(tm).)

    Blacks (and browns and Asians and MENAs) expect to obtain APPEASEMENT.

    Not this time. Not soon.

    Do we know what the Good Guys do to swarming zombies?

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    I was raised by a cold-blooded, wife beating, child molesting, serial killer.

    Violence sickens me to the core of my soul.

    When I was younger many thugs tried to pull their cramp on me, fortunately I was a natural born fighter and was able to neutralize them quickly in choke holds.

    We now live in pseudo macho culture of GQ jar-head haircuts and tattooed-out MMA wannabes.

    I've got absolutely no respect for this culture.

    I am old guy now, who wants to die, who carries a large concealed knife, and who has zero empathy for the bully.

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  134. @another fred

    COMPROMISE, n. Such an adjustment of conflicting interests as gives each adversary the satisfaction of thinking he has got what he ought not to have, and is deprived of nothing except what was justly his due. - Ambrose Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary

     

    In an environment of limited opportunities the sense of deprivation rules.

    For decades we have lived on "expanding opportunity" that was bought on credit. The bills are coming due, austerity will be the order of the day, and the anger will only grow.

    For decades we have lived on “expanding opportunity” that was bought on credit. The bills are coming due, austerity will be the order of the day, and the anger will only grow.

    another Fred, my friend, what do we do?

    I see this column (and most of the comments) as the tip of an iceberg of RAGE.

    I’m a middle-aged white guy who largely won the “game.” I have savings, a comfortable life and my kids are all among the rare 20/30-somethings with good jobs and stable, traditional lives, yet I’m beside myself with outrage at the state of affairs.

    The “News” is always but a tiny slice of reality, yet it feels like a constant physical assault, watching how savagery and barbarism are rewarded while those who feel outraged are berated as cruel racist/homophobic/transphobic monsters.

    Underclass blacks riot and burn? The weakest, most vile human beings who share my political system prostrate themselves in appeasement. My “fix?” Shopkeepers and property owners OPEN FIRE on anyone who looks like a rioter. (Oh, they might choose to be “nice” and use 22 long rifle firearms for a slightly lower kill-count, but TOLERATING destruction, appeasing those who do it is an OUTRAGE.)

    Everywhere a black is promoted to a position of power there follows a level of corruption that rivals the Irish-immigrant-run Big City despotisms of the 20th century combined with a level of incompetence only found in places like Zimbabwe. Places where Mestizos predominate quickly mirror the kleptocracies of Mexican states and Central America.

    Yet their sons and daughters have an automatic “in” wherever they go, and their marginally competent examples vault to positions of power over far more qualified friends, neighbors and countrymen.

    When this 50 year lurch into monetary/fiscal/economic insanity ends, and people are figuratively thrown into the restaurant’s kitchen to wash dishes (because their credit card was declined and they can’t pay for the food they ate), the dam will burst on the RAGE I know they feel.

    Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind.

    The only part of this I actually look forward to is the opportunity to directly or vicariously participate in the punishment of my fellow “whites” who marched visibly at the front of this long Clown Parade.

    We know who you are. And when the worm turns, you’ll discover we don’t forget and we don’t forgive.

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  135. @LauraMR
    First, the myth of affirmative action.

    Yes, the policy exists and it is in place. Yes, some undeserving people get pushed through. But what most people miss is that if you are a "minority" you get rejected despite being perfectly qualified.

    What!!!. That's correct. I graduated top of the top and not only I was not given scholarships (they went to the "white" students that copied off my exams), I was told that I would never be admitted even if I paid full tuition.

    It was only after a friend suggested to my young naive self to apply as "white" that I finally got accepted and with a full scholarship (among other benefits) since, after all, my grades were off the charts.

    Second, the "white anger". It does not exist. Are some "white people" angry? Of course. So are some "non-white people". It means nothing. Yes, it is amplified by the echo chamber of the web but it is insignificant in reality. Ultimately, it's no more than the product of an irresponsible media whose dribble is meant to turn the news into another TV drama so that viewers keep tuning in.

    Damn those graduate degrees in Wymn’s Studies or English Lit.

    I take your incredible (as in not-credible) anecdote and raise you 30 years in corporate America, where positions and promotions “reserved for ‘diversity hires’” were openly acknowledged.

    My fav: The arrogant 6’5″ black guy with no management development training whatsoever who was relocated halfway across the country to manage a sales district in my region, leapfrogging at least half a dozen far-better-qualified men and women (most of whom were white) because the region “needed” a diversity-box-checking manager.

    He was so bad that, when a reorganization came and he phoned one of “his” reps to tell her she still had a job, and that she’d still be working for him, she quit her job on the spot. In that reorg he became my manager, and I learned what it was like to live in hell for the days preceding and during when I had to do my job with him next to me.

    So to summarize: Jam your lies where the sun doesn’t shine.

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    You have probably realized very few people are convinced of anything by reason the dumb never are they follow the herd who follow the lead sheep, the intelligent are little better.This works for the jews now but as you say at some point it will work against them, its only really going to take a few lead sheep to start heading toward self preservation to cause the stampede.Jews are actually idiots, this whole destruction of western civilization to make it safe for the jews is retarded, if they win they have no one to protect them the niggers will see them as the elitist of whites the chinese will see them as competition, immigrant chinese have only sided with them because we are a bigger threat today once we are gone the chinese will get tribal again when dealing with another tribalist. and of course if the jews dont win destroying us they at the very least get deported to israel with no more us support and at the worst they are held accountable for their attempted genocide.
    , @LauraMR
    The comical element in comments such as yours is that you naively confess with angry shouts that you have no comprehension of the educational system.

    Here is a shocker for you. Universities are daycare centers. Graduating at the top of a class is next to trivial.

    Only those that have never been to college (or are on the impolite side of the curve) fail to appreciate this.
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  136. @Okechukwu

    for each Black in the US with an IQ of 85 or higher, there is a White with an IQ of 120 or higher.
     
    Plenty of high IQ whites are morons, as evidenced by many of the commentators on Unz. IQ is a learned academic exercise that has little to do with innate intelligence, aptitude, work ethic or the ability to persist and persevere or get along well with others.

    Plenty of high IQ whites are morons, as evidenced by many of the commentators on Unz. IQ is a learned academic exercise that has little to do with innate intelligence, aptitude, work ethic or the ability to persist and persevere or get along well with others.

    If you feel this way, why don’t you relocate to somewhere that is mostly populated by people who test poorly on IQ studies?

    Yeah. I thought so…..

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  137. @Colleen Pater
    First of all your numbers are way off and you leave all sorts of things out. Disperate impact is now law and it means actual discrimination is immaterial all that matters is quotas yes quota forget that college suit the way this actually works is some jew lawyer approaches some minorities and offers to sue for them to get paid. The lawyer only needs to prove that the percentage of minorities employed in said deep pocket institution (union, school, municipality, corporation, or industry) is less than the percentage found in the last census. That alone wins the case. The "plaintiffs" who can even be minorities that claim they were too discouraged to even apply because they knewd it was a a racist fix. Will get paid back wages from the time they would have applied if not too discouraged etc. The judge also fines the institution and appoints a special master who is too be paid by institution for his services including offices staff etc its a nice gig, and they are also jews usually a lawyer often the same lawyer and social workers etc. Now they set about making sure this never ends, do they go to say the military to find qualified minorities, maybe churches? nah they go to prisons and welfare to make sure the applicants fail out, work less hours are fired etc,

    Now come next census guess what more minorities you're now in contempt, more back wages and fines and extend the special masters gig. Oh and the minorities (immigration) that made it, guess what they worked less hours than the whites because you guessed it racism. not because they dont show up for work, or on time, or get fired for fighting and stealing, or because they prefer collecting unemployment to full time work, or they make deals to do their overtime off the books. Nah couldnt be any of those reasons its because racism so they too get 120k checks tax free.

    And its not 1 in 6 its at least 1 of 2 because hispanics are minorities for some goddamn bs reason some wetback is entitled to a job before an american white. And it doesn't end there at all these conditions destroy these industries. you simply can not fathom just how stupid and incompetent and dysfunctional these minorities are. Managing for almost 40 years I can say it takes about 4 times more man hours to do the same job half as well, you simply can not do the jobs properly at all anymore.Oh and you cant say why you cant.So a lot of things happen things get done wrong, idiot kits are developed and a lot of the work gets pushed out to employers too small to have deep enough pockets for jew lawyers or to institutions that have a monopoly on say government work and can simply raise prices enough minorities can basically be paid to stay out of the way.Of course part of this is offshoring work and importing products from places like asia that don't have this problem.Also prices and wages decline or stagnate for decades because the work is no longer deserving of skilled wages, while whites might not just be as skilled as their fathers, they might also be taking up the minority slack, but the average is still shoddy. So its not just 1 of 2 whites affected its all whites. Until recently white collar whites avoided most of this or had ways of keeping it isolated,and so stupidly assumed you needn't be intelligent to build a skyscraper, or automobile, or police, or administer the government, or breed the next generation of 102 average IQ whites including half the high cognition whites, or all the other things elites felt were beneath thinking about while yucking it up with the clever jews who engineered all this because they needed a safe space and were sure whites were all secret nazis that had to be neutralized.

    Oh and lets not forget the white is also squeezed from above by the more intelligent jew and east asian. And please spare the conservative speech about meritocracy and the enlightenment , its the current year the enlightenments done stick a fork in it. White nations should be administered for the benefit of white citizens, we stupidly thought we could trust a few jews, boy were we wrong no sooner did we allow them in among us than they ran the table on us while shaming us to keep our hands tied behind our backs like good cucks.


    But even all that isn't the tenth of it, the true cost of diversity spent in the last 50 years alone could have moved mars into near earth orbit and terraformed it. The cost is staggering to staggering to even face. what is the cost of our best and brightest not build rockets but being apologists for minorities? what is the cost of not being able to culturally police our own because succeeded makes the other look even worse? What is the cost of our crime, the police forces, the courts prisons paroles the insurance ? what is the cost of having our government administered by apes? what is the cost of the fraud the lawsuits the welfare the tax cheating, the anchor babies. what is the cost of the several generations of
    productive white children not born because whites can no longer afford the economic and physical security the require for family formation? What is the cost of divershitty to our education and our medical systems? Whats the cost of having no culture? whats the cost of not simply more debt than but the cost a 1.2 quadrillion in credit default swaps to keep that debt in the air. whats the cost of going from having the finest military in the world to a bunch of apes crashing battleships and fags and tranny soldiers? I could go on for volumes about what the jew ploy of creating a forest of diversity to hide in is costing, in the end the answer is its existential.

    The fact that jews have been meeting smart rubes from the heartland and they get off the bus in our cities and universities and radicalizing them at least since 1910 when john reed was recruited by walter lippmann to the harvard socialist club.does not change the fact jews engineered this entire thing and it can now only be undone in a blood civil war and mass deportations. At which point jews will no doubt mutter see we knew they were secret nazis all along.

    We’ll see just how “smart” are the half-breed Ashkenazim (I suspect most “American Jews” are no more than 1/4 descended from “Jewish Ghetto” European Jews of the Middle Ages) when this long boom ends, lifeboat ethics return like a tsunami, and the need for retribution drives a search for whose fingerprints are all over the last 50 years’ collective idiocy.

    I’ll admit to being very impressed with those 1/4-or-less Ashkenazis if they’re able to scapegoat some other group, but I have a difficult time seeing how the 80% self-identified-as-Jewish people who manage the decaying institutions of America, institutions they invaded and assimilated (like a disease) during the last 80 years, will claim it was their melanin-enhanced pets who should be blamed.

    Eureka! Maybe that’s the goal of Affirmative Action after all, to put as many Ta Nehisi Genius’ faces on the top of the organizational chart so the jooooz can walk out the back door with suitcases of swag.

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  138. @anarchyst
    This form of "affirmative action" is rampant in the federal contracts arena, as "minority-owned" firms can place bids up to 15% higher and still be awarded a federal contract. I personally witnessed this when a small "minority native-American" firm was awarded a federal contract for security services. This "minority-owned" company knew NOTHING about security, so they hired the next highest bidder (that was a well-known international security firm) to perform the contract while the "minority-owned" company "skimmed a profit" for doing absolutely nothing.
    This is how contracting in the federal government works...

    That’s actually not too bad of an outcome. The costs of bad security by know-nothing’s is much higher than a 15% overcharge.

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  139. @Sin City Milla
    Very relevant. My PhD scholarship in history was yanked in secret after I criticized Karl Marx in a graduate class. I taught college briefly, very briefly, was fired after I gave an F to a student who failed every exam n then plagiarized his term paper. My supervisor said "We don't fail students here." So I went to law school. I practiced for several years but got tired of going to lawyer events that were crashed by loud black women lawyers who would take over the proceedings n make sure that no white male got to speak.

    My wife n daughter are in high demand in the job market. With 3 degrees n 3 languages, I am not. I prefer to study n write books anyway so I don't care that I'm unemployable, but my primary training is for college teaching which isn't happening because I don't fit in with PC. My 2 sons n son in law are all in their twenties, all are unemployed, n all have given up looking for work. They have many young white male friends, n from what I can tell all of them are also either unemployed or only marginally employed.

    Smart white men are the chief competition of the smart, venal white men at the apex of institutions, those “white men”everyone complains about (not, frankly, without some justification.) unable to strike at or dislodge the sociopaths at the top of the pyramid, anger gets directed against the men from a similar background.

    Now, could bands of disaffected white men form cooperative corporations, limited in size to 15 or fewer (so as to be untouchable by Federal discrimination law), to gain the benefit of working together? It’s possible, but I haven’t seen it.

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  140. @Okechukwu
    You need serious psychiatric attention.

    Just don't go on a rampage and cut down dozens of innocent people, as happened yet again today by yet another non-Afro.

    You need serious psychiatric attention.

    What is it with psychological projection these days?

    Oke-dokey, if angry white guys (who own a quantity of effective firearms and ammunition to feed them that you lack the mathematical acumen to grasp) ever really chose to let their anger flow unrestrained, I’m betting you’d be among the first to realize the mistake you made inciting them.

    Comments like yours reinforce my conviction that “you know not what you do,” and for that I have a small amount of pity for you.

    You look at one mentally-deranged “white guy” who makes the news, ignoring the dead/wounded in Chicago year-to-date (601, according to heyjackass.com) who are largely blacks killed by blacks, and write your comment. What a clown.

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    Oke-dokey, if angry white guys (who own a quantity of effective firearms and ammunition to feed them that you lack the mathematical acumen to grasp) ever really chose to let their anger flow unrestrained, I’m betting you’d be among the first to realize the mistake you made inciting them.
     
    Anybody can pull a trigger, angry or not. White people don't have a magical ability to kill people that others lack. Nor are they bulletproof.

    Comments like yours reinforce my conviction that “you know not what you do,” and for that I have a small amount of pity for you.
     
    Laughable.

    You look at one mentally-deranged “white guy” who makes the news, ignoring the dead/wounded in Chicago year-to-date (601, according to heyjackass.com) who are largely blacks killed by blacks, and write your comment. What a clown.
     
    Both are wrong. But people of your ilk have this tendency to grandstand about "black crime" while pretending that whites are somehow genetically incapable of committing the kind of horrors we see them commit daily.
    , @Marlon Bongo
    Right, this 'mentally-deranged "white guy"' appears to be a lone ranger, whereas in Chicago this is part of black culture, largely done by organized gangs. In Texas other "white guys" took it upon themselves to chase the perpetrator down, in Chicago they are supported by a 'no-snitch' society.
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  141. @John Engelman
    I only like diversity if it is voluntary or based on merit.

    I enjoy ethnic restaurants, shops, and festivals.

    Nevertheless, I will avoid a large gathering of blacks, because violence is likely to break out. The few whites in attendance at a black gathering will be particularly vulnerable.

    Leading corporations like Microsoft and Facebook hire a large number of people born in other countries who speak English as a second language. Nevertheless, in such a corporation there is no diversity when it comes to IQ power. Everyone is far to the right of the bell curve.

    Nothing of value is achieved by lowering standards to admit members of under performing races.

    Nothing of value is achieved by lowering standards to admit members of under performing races.

    Nothing of value is achieved by admitting even the “best and brightest” from India, China, Japan, etc.

    Why is it even the least bit controversial to know that once such people achieve more than a token percentage of a population they will immediately and inevitably set about recreating their “home country’s” political/legal/social arrangements?

    Would I want to live in a community made up predominantly of high-IQ Chinese? Or Indians? Their culture is not MY culture. Why on Earth would I support importing millions of such people…because I want a new PHONE?

    No.

    They all have to go back.
    It’s okay to be white.

    In fact, it’s okay to want to be surrounded by the subset of whites who share my culture. Those who say otherwise should have the courage to show up and try to force me to live otherwise, rather than “voting” to have their imaginary preferences jammed down my throat by their agents.

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    'Nothing of value is achieved by admitting even the “best and brightest” from India, China, Japan, etc."

    Your statement is patently false. The value stems from the potential they bring to the table as far as intellectual and scientific achievements. Indeed, there is the inevitable "brain drain" from those nations, but these groups are merely putting into practice the universal concepts of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness

    "Why is it even the least bit controversial to know that once such people achieve more than a token percentage of a population they will immediately and inevitably set about recreating their “home country’s” political/legal/social arrangements?"

    The same tired argument, eh? The nativists made specific reference to those groups of people who came to our nation at various points of time. Indeed, they "recreate" a particular environment they are familiar at home--but the larger culture takes them in and shapes them. Of course, along the way, through several generations, a society experiences changes, but that is the feature of civilization, not the bug.

    "Would I want to live in a community made up predominantly of high-IQ Chinese? Or Indians? Their culture is not MY culture."

    But they are people, the human race. That community is far more important here.

    "They all have to go back. It’s okay to be white."

    No one is heading home. It's fine being a person.

    "In fact, it’s okay to want to be surrounded by the subset of whites who share my culture."

    And you have that freedom to do so!

    "Those who say otherwise should have the courage to show up and try to force me to live otherwise, rather than “voting” to have their imaginary preferences jammed down my throat by their agents."

    In the same manner you are jackbooting your preferences on those labeled "bad whites"?
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  142. wayfarer says:
    @dc.sunsets
    The only reason BLM-style mayhem continues is that social mood (reflected by the stock averages) remains absurdly high, and coincides with a belief that "we can easily afford the replacement costs."

    Wait until this Long Boom ends (and high living standards turned out to be entirely enabled by using the National Mastercard(tm).)

    Blacks (and browns and Asians and MENAs) expect to obtain APPEASEMENT.

    Not this time. Not soon.

    Do we know what the Good Guys do to swarming zombies?

    I was raised by a cold-blooded, wife beating, child molesting, serial killer.

    Violence sickens me to the core of my soul.

    When I was younger many thugs tried to pull their cramp on me, fortunately I was a natural born fighter and was able to neutralize them quickly in choke holds.

    We now live in pseudo macho culture of GQ jar-head haircuts and tattooed-out MMA wannabes.

    I’ve got absolutely no respect for this culture.

    I am old guy now, who wants to die, who carries a large concealed knife, and who has zero empathy for the bully.

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    edit previous post :

    When I was younger a lot of bullies tried to pull their crap on me, fortunately I was a natural born fighter and was able to neutralize them quickly in choke holds.

    We now live in a pseudo macho culture of GQ jar-head haircuts and tattooed-out MMA wannabes.

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  143. wayfarer says:
    @wayfarer
    I was raised by a cold-blooded, wife beating, child molesting, serial killer.

    Violence sickens me to the core of my soul.

    When I was younger many thugs tried to pull their cramp on me, fortunately I was a natural born fighter and was able to neutralize them quickly in choke holds.

    We now live in pseudo macho culture of GQ jar-head haircuts and tattooed-out MMA wannabes.

    I've got absolutely no respect for this culture.

    I am old guy now, who wants to die, who carries a large concealed knife, and who has zero empathy for the bully.

    edit previous post :

    When I was younger a lot of bullies tried to pull their crap on me, fortunately I was a natural born fighter and was able to neutralize them quickly in choke holds.

    We now live in a pseudo macho culture of GQ jar-head haircuts and tattooed-out MMA wannabes.

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    Hmmm. We live in different circles of the Venn Diagram.

    To me, we live in a world with a dwindling number of civilized people who keep the lights on and the indoor plumbing indoors, not to mention the taxes paid, desperately trying to kid themselves that their children will have electric lights and indoor plumbing as long as the civilized people appease the growing legions of savages (who, I might add, include large number of dysfunctional "white" people, too.)

    We're ending a long period of belief in "if I just keep my head down and work hard, it'll all be okay." During that time, con artists and inveterate criminals rose to positions of power throughout our society. It is literally a Kakistocracy, the rule of the worst over their betters.

    During this final 50 year phase, through the magic of a bond bull market and fiat money, the civilized put ever more of their and the savages' high living standards on a "payment plan," warping the incentives for civilized and savage behavior throughout the entire human experience.

    Those warped incentives created the most unstable volcano of human social arrangements ever imagined. It will blow, and when it does it will change the world in ways we cannot now begin to imagine.

    Nature is going to make a roaring comeback.
    , @peterAUS

    I was a natural born fighter and was able to neutralize them quickly in choke holds.
     
    Interesting.

    Sounds good for self-defence of an average "angry white man".

    Would you, please, share the experience here?

    I ....imagine...it started with "speech contest", then the assailant got "in your face".
    One would imagine that a headbutt and/or short hook/uppercut (with a follow up) would be a good response, but you executed a choke hold. I suspect rear naked choke? Or was it a guillotine?
    That's some skill.....and a cool head.

    Maybe some of us could use that some day in dire straits.
    How were you doing that....please?
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  144. Corvinus says:
    @dc.sunsets

    Nothing of value is achieved by lowering standards to admit members of under performing races.
     
    Nothing of value is achieved by admitting even the "best and brightest" from India, China, Japan, etc.

    Why is it even the least bit controversial to know that once such people achieve more than a token percentage of a population they will immediately and inevitably set about recreating their "home country's" political/legal/social arrangements?

    Would I want to live in a community made up predominantly of high-IQ Chinese? Or Indians? Their culture is not MY culture. Why on Earth would I support importing millions of such people...because I want a new PHONE?

    No.

    They all have to go back.
    It's okay to be white.

    In fact, it's okay to want to be surrounded by the subset of whites who share my culture. Those who say otherwise should have the courage to show up and try to force me to live otherwise, rather than "voting" to have their imaginary preferences jammed down my throat by their agents.

    ‘Nothing of value is achieved by admitting even the “best and brightest” from India, China, Japan, etc.”

    Your statement is patently false. The value stems from the potential they bring to the table as far as intellectual and scientific achievements. Indeed, there is the inevitable “brain drain” from those nations, but these groups are merely putting into practice the universal concepts of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness

    “Why is it even the least bit controversial to know that once such people achieve more than a token percentage of a population they will immediately and inevitably set about recreating their “home country’s” political/legal/social arrangements?”

    The same tired argument, eh? The nativists made specific reference to those groups of people who came to our nation at various points of time. Indeed, they “recreate” a particular environment they are familiar at home–but the larger culture takes them in and shapes them. Of course, along the way, through several generations, a society experiences changes, but that is the feature of civilization, not the bug.

    “Would I want to live in a community made up predominantly of high-IQ Chinese? Or Indians? Their culture is not MY culture.”

    But they are people, the human race. That community is far more important here.

    “They all have to go back. It’s okay to be white.”

    No one is heading home. It’s fine being a person.

    “In fact, it’s okay to want to be surrounded by the subset of whites who share my culture.”

    And you have that freedom to do so!

    “Those who say otherwise should have the courage to show up and try to force me to live otherwise, rather than “voting” to have their imaginary preferences jammed down my throat by their agents.”

    In the same manner you are jackbooting your preferences on those labeled “bad whites”?

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    Corrie, baby, we keep having this same "dialogue."

    You push your Magic Dirt theory but where do you live?
    You push your Blank Slate theory, but again....where do you live?

    I guess I know something you don't; the trends of the last 50 years are not remotely permanent. In fact, they form a historical outlier of such astonishing proportion that only the most ignorant people cannot see it.

    Let's resolve to revisit all this in a decade or two to see whose vision turns out to be closer to reality.

    In the meantime, you continue to think I'm a bad person, and I'll continue to think you're a fool.
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  145. @wayfarer
    edit previous post :

    When I was younger a lot of bullies tried to pull their crap on me, fortunately I was a natural born fighter and was able to neutralize them quickly in choke holds.

    We now live in a pseudo macho culture of GQ jar-head haircuts and tattooed-out MMA wannabes.

    Hmmm. We live in different circles of the Venn Diagram.

    To me, we live in a world with a dwindling number of civilized people who keep the lights on and the indoor plumbing indoors, not to mention the taxes paid, desperately trying to kid themselves that their children will have electric lights and indoor plumbing as long as the civilized people appease the growing legions of savages (who, I might add, include large number of dysfunctional “white” people, too.)

    We’re ending a long period of belief in “if I just keep my head down and work hard, it’ll all be okay.” During that time, con artists and inveterate criminals rose to positions of power throughout our society. It is literally a Kakistocracy, the rule of the worst over their betters.

    During this final 50 year phase, through the magic of a bond bull market and fiat money, the civilized put ever more of their and the savages’ high living standards on a “payment plan,” warping the incentives for civilized and savage behavior throughout the entire human experience.

    Those warped incentives created the most unstable volcano of human social arrangements ever imagined. It will blow, and when it does it will change the world in ways we cannot now begin to imagine.

    Nature is going to make a roaring comeback.

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    I reside within several circles of a Venn diagram which contain sets of contradictions, in one set an ability to understand and share the feelings of others (e.g. empathy), and in the next set an inability to gain trust in my fellow man (e.g. suspicions). There's little intersection among these sets, so one's ultimately left to work to the best of their ability, with the union of these polar opposite feelings.

    Humanity's been unable to live in harmony with itself, let alone with its mother, nature. It seems only a matter of time now before a conscious planet earth, with its embodiment of divine cosmic principles, finds it necessary to humble mankind.

    I don't imagine this as being a graceful event. But then again, enacting a sense of discipline and respect into a spoiled child, has never been a light-footed task.

    This fascinating narrative has recently resonated with me, it may or may not resonate with you, “Ramtha, the White Book.” Set in the final days of Atlantis and Lemuria, its protagonist only wanting to die, instead discovers every reason to live.
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  146. @dc.sunsets
    Damn those graduate degrees in Wymn's Studies or English Lit.

    I take your incredible (as in not-credible) anecdote and raise you 30 years in corporate America, where positions and promotions "reserved for 'diversity hires'" were openly acknowledged.

    My fav: The arrogant 6'5" black guy with no management development training whatsoever who was relocated halfway across the country to manage a sales district in my region, leapfrogging at least half a dozen far-better-qualified men and women (most of whom were white) because the region "needed" a diversity-box-checking manager.

    He was so bad that, when a reorganization came and he phoned one of "his" reps to tell her she still had a job, and that she'd still be working for him, she quit her job on the spot. In that reorg he became my manager, and I learned what it was like to live in hell for the days preceding and during when I had to do my job with him next to me.

    So to summarize: Jam your lies where the sun doesn't shine.

    You have probably realized very few people are convinced of anything by reason the dumb never are they follow the herd who follow the lead sheep, the intelligent are little better.This works for the jews now but as you say at some point it will work against them, its only really going to take a few lead sheep to start heading toward self preservation to cause the stampede.Jews are actually idiots, this whole destruction of western civilization to make it safe for the jews is retarded, if they win they have no one to protect them the niggers will see them as the elitist of whites the chinese will see them as competition, immigrant chinese have only sided with them because we are a bigger threat today once we are gone the chinese will get tribal again when dealing with another tribalist. and of course if the jews dont win destroying us they at the very least get deported to israel with no more us support and at the worst they are held accountable for their attempted genocide.

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  147. Baaah says:

    Diversity is a code word for anti-white.

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  148. @Corvinus
    'Nothing of value is achieved by admitting even the “best and brightest” from India, China, Japan, etc."

    Your statement is patently false. The value stems from the potential they bring to the table as far as intellectual and scientific achievements. Indeed, there is the inevitable "brain drain" from those nations, but these groups are merely putting into practice the universal concepts of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness

    "Why is it even the least bit controversial to know that once such people achieve more than a token percentage of a population they will immediately and inevitably set about recreating their “home country’s” political/legal/social arrangements?"

    The same tired argument, eh? The nativists made specific reference to those groups of people who came to our nation at various points of time. Indeed, they "recreate" a particular environment they are familiar at home--but the larger culture takes them in and shapes them. Of course, along the way, through several generations, a society experiences changes, but that is the feature of civilization, not the bug.

    "Would I want to live in a community made up predominantly of high-IQ Chinese? Or Indians? Their culture is not MY culture."

    But they are people, the human race. That community is far more important here.

    "They all have to go back. It’s okay to be white."

    No one is heading home. It's fine being a person.

    "In fact, it’s okay to want to be surrounded by the subset of whites who share my culture."

    And you have that freedom to do so!

    "Those who say otherwise should have the courage to show up and try to force me to live otherwise, rather than “voting” to have their imaginary preferences jammed down my throat by their agents."

    In the same manner you are jackbooting your preferences on those labeled "bad whites"?

    Corrie, baby, we keep having this same “dialogue.”

    You push your Magic Dirt theory but where do you live?
    You push your Blank Slate theory, but again….where do you live?

    I guess I know something you don’t; the trends of the last 50 years are not remotely permanent. In fact, they form a historical outlier of such astonishing proportion that only the most ignorant people cannot see it.

    Let’s resolve to revisit all this in a decade or two to see whose vision turns out to be closer to reality.

    In the meantime, you continue to think I’m a bad person, and I’ll continue to think you’re a fool.

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    "You push your Magic Dirt theory but where do you live?"

    Ever since our nation's inception we have had a wide range of ethnic groups living together. They worked together to create a society. Other groups of people have joined in. Certainly, some have easily immersed into our culture, and others have taken a bit longer. Land, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness is a universal code hardwired into our human DNA. The experiment of America has been tested and will continue to be tested. Feel free to be all in or go back or do what is best for your own family. We normies don't care.

    "You push your Blank Slate theory, but again….where do you live?"

    Scientists and philosophers will continue to debate nature versus nurture, blank slate or race realism, biology or environment. Does anyone even have the TRUE answer?

    And where do I live? I live in a middle to upper middle class community with different races and cultures. We get along quite well. Just celebrated Halloween in our neighborhood. Even lil' Aasim was on his best behavior. He kept the Molotov cocktails at home this year.

    "I guess I know something you don’t; the trends of the last 50 years are not remotely permanent."

    That may be true, but then again there may be such a paradigm shift that even the historical trends you rely on have put on their head, considering we live in a world where widespread international commerce, rapidly changing technology, and innovative social media platforms all converge.

    "In fact, they form a historical outlier of such astonishing proportion that only the most ignorant people cannot see it."

    Now, it is quite possible that there will be this epic financial meltdown, with national economies collapsing and civil strife carving out a bloody swath across the landscape. From death, comes life. A reboot. And from the ashes will arise some sort of new world order, however it is decided by the winners.

    "Let’s resolve to revisit all this in a decade or two to see whose vision turns out to be closer to reality."

    Without a doubt. But remember that Generation Z will be the ultimate game changer here, with their tendency to lean as fiscal conservatives but as social liberals. They will set the tone and maybe even change the rules, perhaps maybe even more so than those damn Boomers, eh?

    "In the meantime, you continue to think I’m a bad person, and I’ll continue to think you’re a fool."

    You have it the other way around. I'm the bad person, specifically a "bad white", and you're the fool.
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  149. MarkinLA says:
    @LauraMR
    It's gonna hurt even more.

    Once in graduate school, I was the topmost student, second to none. But do guess who was the second. A Mexican. And the third, a woman from Madagascar. The three of us pushed the curve up so much that the faculty was forced to manufacture "creative" strategies to allow our "white" classmates to graduate...

    One thing I do know about extremely intelligent people since I have been working around plenty of people with PhDs, MS, and BS in engineering is that the people who tend to brag about themselves and their intellect or grades being “off the chart” usually are the dumbest in the bunch.

    I heard enough of this “You have to twice as good if you are black” whining from mediocre black engineers to last a lifetime.

    Your whole fantasy world however, is quite entertaining.

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    @LauraMR

    I liked the part about how all the white students peeked over her shoulder on her exams and then they all got scholarships, but not her, boo hoo.
    , @LauraMR
    The irony is that you are precisely the person that gets in the way, that is, the person that looked at my transcripts and said "BS!" before pitching them in the trash.

    She was caught, btw, and not a single thing happened to her.
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  150. wayfarer says:
    @dc.sunsets
    Hmmm. We live in different circles of the Venn Diagram.

    To me, we live in a world with a dwindling number of civilized people who keep the lights on and the indoor plumbing indoors, not to mention the taxes paid, desperately trying to kid themselves that their children will have electric lights and indoor plumbing as long as the civilized people appease the growing legions of savages (who, I might add, include large number of dysfunctional "white" people, too.)

    We're ending a long period of belief in "if I just keep my head down and work hard, it'll all be okay." During that time, con artists and inveterate criminals rose to positions of power throughout our society. It is literally a Kakistocracy, the rule of the worst over their betters.

    During this final 50 year phase, through the magic of a bond bull market and fiat money, the civilized put ever more of their and the savages' high living standards on a "payment plan," warping the incentives for civilized and savage behavior throughout the entire human experience.

    Those warped incentives created the most unstable volcano of human social arrangements ever imagined. It will blow, and when it does it will change the world in ways we cannot now begin to imagine.

    Nature is going to make a roaring comeback.

    I reside within several circles of a Venn diagram which contain sets of contradictions, in one set an ability to understand and share the feelings of others (e.g. empathy), and in the next set an inability to gain trust in my fellow man (e.g. suspicions). There’s little intersection among these sets, so one’s ultimately left to work to the best of their ability, with the union of these polar opposite feelings.

    Humanity’s been unable to live in harmony with itself, let alone with its mother, nature. It seems only a matter of time now before a conscious planet earth, with its embodiment of divine cosmic principles, finds it necessary to humble mankind.

    I don’t imagine this as being a graceful event. But then again, enacting a sense of discipline and respect into a spoiled child, has never been a light-footed task.

    This fascinating narrative has recently resonated with me, it may or may not resonate with you, “Ramtha, the White Book.” Set in the final days of Atlantis and Lemuria, its protagonist only wanting to die, instead discovers every reason to live.

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  151. peterAUS says:
    @wayfarer
    edit previous post :

    When I was younger a lot of bullies tried to pull their crap on me, fortunately I was a natural born fighter and was able to neutralize them quickly in choke holds.

    We now live in a pseudo macho culture of GQ jar-head haircuts and tattooed-out MMA wannabes.

    I was a natural born fighter and was able to neutralize them quickly in choke holds.

    Interesting.

    Sounds good for self-defence of an average “angry white man”.

    Would you, please, share the experience here?

    I ….imagine…it started with “speech contest”, then the assailant got “in your face”.
    One would imagine that a headbutt and/or short hook/uppercut (with a follow up) would be a good response, but you executed a choke hold. I suspect rear naked choke? Or was it a guillotine?
    That’s some skill…..and a cool head.

    Maybe some of us could use that some day in dire straits.
    How were you doing that….please?

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    It begins with no fear, no fear of any man, but possibly some animals (e.g. circling sharks in a stormy open ocean).

    Tempered by regular suicidal contemplation and a lifelong death wish.

    How does one acquire such a state of mind?

    Well in my particular case it was formed within a raging emotional crucible, beginning at a young age.

    Imagine an adult man, one who didn't smoke or drink alcohol, one who was vital and physically powerful, one who was a battle hardened combat veteran, one who grew up poor in urban poverty, one who had next to no empathy or conscience, one who despised women and children, one who was angry at "god" and the world because they had shortchanged him in life.

    This was my father, and he had a routine sadistic ritual, which I was introduced to at around the age of five. It was a face to face, one on one, no holds barred, never pull any punches, whipping ritual.

    This is what tempered my ability to face any man, any extremely angry and dangerous man, with not one fear in my mind.

    I somehow crossed the path of a lot of bullies as a kid. For next to no reason, they always wanted to start a fight. I never threw the first punch, I never once lost the street fight.

    I always focused solely on the neck, period. Grab it lightening fast with an arm lock, throttle it, twist it, choke it, and if it really comes down to do-or-die, hit the vital windpipe with an open palm or closed fist. No formal martial art's techniques, just an innate animal fight-to-the death instinct.

    It sounds very crude, but then again human beings at their inner core are one small step outside of an absolutely vicious and indifferent, animal kingdom.
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  152. @animalogic
    Regardless of how "affirmative action" is defined in principle & practice it should NEVER be prioritised over the merit principle. Merit is the bedrock of modern culture.
    However:
    "Simply put, if diversity is so wonderful, and in the self-interest of universities and businesses, why must it be imposed forcefully? "
    Good question. Back in the 70-80's women & minorities were trying to break into the business etc world. There WAS discrimination based on gender & race. It was positive to prioritise women & minorities when merit was the first priority. It was an effort to change a culture. Simply, to give everyone a "fair go".
    The culture has moved on since then. Equality, but based on merit, should be accepted.
    Diversity, for diversity's sake, is ridiculous. "Diversity" is now a blunt instrument wielded by the identity politics crowd for their own political benefit.

    >” Back in the 70-80′s women & minorities were trying to break into the business etc world. There WAS discrimination based on gender & race.”

    So the gubmint put its finger on the justice scales and helped women enter the tradition outside-the-home men’s world.

    When will the same gubmint do the same to give men equal rights IN the home, especially post-divorce?

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  153. SPQR says: • Website

    While we can appreciate the nuance offered by critical thinkers such as in the article above, nothing will change unless and until the MSM is in the hands of responsible realists. Following that, everything detrimental to our people will fall away.

    There really is no other solution.

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  154. Okechukwu says:
    @TomSchmidt
    So do you support doing away with AA? The palm-greasing makes it very expensive.

    So do you support doing away with AA? The palm-greasing makes it very expensive.

    I would support a system based on income levels, with a de-emphasis on uplifting white women (and white men by extension) who have overwhelmingly been the prime beneficiaries.

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  155. botazefa says:
    @Okechukwu

    for each Black in the US with an IQ of 85 or higher, there is a White with an IQ of 120 or higher.
     
    Plenty of high IQ whites are morons, as evidenced by many of the commentators on Unz. IQ is a learned academic exercise that has little to do with innate intelligence, aptitude, work ethic or the ability to persist and persevere or get along well with others.

    IQ is a learned academic exercise that has little to do with innate intelligence

    IQ’s most certainly are not learned. IQ tests things that all bright people know. You can’t ‘learn’ the test anywhere. You either have the chops or you do not. IQ scores are predictive of future socio-econonic status and relatively stable over life. There are no 85 IQ physicists. You’re free of course to believe what you wish, but you are dead wrong on what IQ is.

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    IQ’s most certainly are not learned. IQ tests things that all bright people know. You can’t ‘learn’ the test anywhere.
     
    Then it would remain static for all eternity. The fact is, IQ scores can be improved, often dramatically.

    IQ scores are predictive of future socio-econonic status and relatively stable over life.
     
    Education is, not IQ. A stable, healthy environment is far more predictive. A genius stuck in an economically deprived, hardscrabble existence is much less likely to be successful than a dumbass from an affluent background.

    There are no 85 IQ physicists.
     
    That's because by virtue of their matriculation physicists are naturally immersed in the values IQ tests are designed to reward. But put them in an environment that requires native intelligence and quick thinking and you'll find they're not all as smart as their IQ scores would indicate.
    , @Anonymous
    Any test can be gamed through practice. Give kids regular IQ tests from an early age and they'll do better at them than kids who've never seen such tests before.

    This defies the point of IQ testing of course, which is to capture a candid snapshot of a person's cognitive ability without giving them the opportunity to prep themselves first.

    An effective IQ test is one the candidate doesn't know is an IQ test.

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  156. @MarkinLA
    One thing I do know about extremely intelligent people since I have been working around plenty of people with PhDs, MS, and BS in engineering is that the people who tend to brag about themselves and their intellect or grades being "off the chart" usually are the dumbest in the bunch.

    I heard enough of this "You have to twice as good if you are black" whining from mediocre black engineers to last a lifetime.

    Your whole fantasy world however, is quite entertaining.

    I liked the part about how all the white students peeked over her shoulder on her exams and then they all got scholarships, but not her, boo hoo.

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  157. Okechukwu says:
    @dc.sunsets

    You need serious psychiatric attention.
     
    What is it with psychological projection these days?

    Oke-dokey, if angry white guys (who own a quantity of effective firearms and ammunition to feed them that you lack the mathematical acumen to grasp) ever really chose to let their anger flow unrestrained, I'm betting you'd be among the first to realize the mistake you made inciting them.

    Comments like yours reinforce my conviction that "you know not what you do," and for that I have a small amount of pity for you.

    You look at one mentally-deranged "white guy" who makes the news, ignoring the dead/wounded in Chicago year-to-date (601, according to heyjackass.com) who are largely blacks killed by blacks, and write your comment. What a clown.

    Oke-dokey, if angry white guys (who own a quantity of effective firearms and ammunition to feed them that you lack the mathematical acumen to grasp) ever really chose to let their anger flow unrestrained, I’m betting you’d be among the first to realize the mistake you made inciting them.

    Anybody can pull a trigger, angry or not. White people don’t have a magical ability to kill people that others lack. Nor are they bulletproof.

    Comments like yours reinforce my conviction that “you know not what you do,” and for that I have a small amount of pity for you.

    Laughable.

    You look at one mentally-deranged “white guy” who makes the news, ignoring the dead/wounded in Chicago year-to-date (601, according to heyjackass.com) who are largely blacks killed by blacks, and write your comment. What a clown.

    Both are wrong. But people of your ilk have this tendency to grandstand about “black crime” while pretending that whites are somehow genetically incapable of committing the kind of horrors we see them commit daily.

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    whites are somehow genetically incapable of committing the kind of horrors we see them commit daily.
     
    That's an interesting point.

    If one goes into "political violence" a (proper) genocide can be done by anybody.
    The difference is, probably, in execution (pun intended).

    Clinical approach by Germans vs a bit less clinical but also well organized by Khmer Rouge vs butcher by Hutus.

    But, the end result has been similar.
    So, efficiency wise...the same..... I guess.
    , @joef

    Both are wrong. But people of your ilk have this tendency to grandstand about “black crime” while pretending that whites are somehow genetically incapable of committing the kind of horrors we see them commit daily.
     
    Again you are guilty of making inaccurate assumptions... just as speaking of afro american atrocities, in defensive terms, is not the same as advocating the offensive harming of afros... the pointing out of afro violence, is not because other races are incapable of it, but because afros commit so much more of it!

    Your side believes any criticism of afros in a presumption of white guilt/racism... yet you use the same type of generalizations against anyone who disagrees with your racial ideas (in other words: generalizing about White afro critics is okay, but generalizing about afro antisocial behavior is not allowed). If afros behave in a civilized manner, then you wouldn't hear a peep from most of us (and many of us know someone who personally suffered from afro criminal activity etc, so we choose not to ignore this just because you disapprove of it). Surrounded by insular liberal confirmation bias, I do not expect you to agree with us, but that does not mean that we must ignore our own contrary empirical life experience.

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  158. @dc.sunsets

    You need serious psychiatric attention.
     
    What is it with psychological projection these days?

    Oke-dokey, if angry white guys (who own a quantity of effective firearms and ammunition to feed them that you lack the mathematical acumen to grasp) ever really chose to let their anger flow unrestrained, I'm betting you'd be among the first to realize the mistake you made inciting them.

    Comments like yours reinforce my conviction that "you know not what you do," and for that I have a small amount of pity for you.

    You look at one mentally-deranged "white guy" who makes the news, ignoring the dead/wounded in Chicago year-to-date (601, according to heyjackass.com) who are largely blacks killed by blacks, and write your comment. What a clown.

    Right, this ‘mentally-deranged “white guy”‘ appears to be a lone ranger, whereas in Chicago this is part of black culture, largely done by organized gangs. In Texas other “white guys” took it upon themselves to chase the perpetrator down, in Chicago they are supported by a ‘no-snitch’ society.

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  159. Okechukwu says:
    @Seminumerical
    Same percentage, but was there a difference in voter turnout?

    Same percentage, but was there a difference in voter turnout?

    Trump got 2 million more votes than Romney. There was a larger voter pool in 2016 but with less voter participation. Trump also got a larger share of the minority vote than Romney.

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    What I said, and precisely how you contradicted yourself.
    Not to mention, the white male demographic was key in battleground states that Romney, or Republicans for that matter, never dreamed of winning. And it will continue to be key in Electoral College terms, unless the wall is not built I suppose...
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  160. peterAUS says:
    @Okechukwu

    Oke-dokey, if angry white guys (who own a quantity of effective firearms and ammunition to feed them that you lack the mathematical acumen to grasp) ever really chose to let their anger flow unrestrained, I’m betting you’d be among the first to realize the mistake you made inciting them.
     
    Anybody can pull a trigger, angry or not. White people don't have a magical ability to kill people that others lack. Nor are they bulletproof.

    Comments like yours reinforce my conviction that “you know not what you do,” and for that I have a small amount of pity for you.
     
    Laughable.

    You look at one mentally-deranged “white guy” who makes the news, ignoring the dead/wounded in Chicago year-to-date (601, according to heyjackass.com) who are largely blacks killed by blacks, and write your comment. What a clown.
     
    Both are wrong. But people of your ilk have this tendency to grandstand about "black crime" while pretending that whites are somehow genetically incapable of committing the kind of horrors we see them commit daily.

    whites are somehow genetically incapable of committing the kind of horrors we see them commit daily.

    That’s an interesting point.

    If one goes into “political violence” a (proper) genocide can be done by anybody.
    The difference is, probably, in execution (pun intended).

    Clinical approach by Germans vs a bit less clinical but also well organized by Khmer Rouge vs butcher by Hutus.

    But, the end result has been similar.
    So, efficiency wise…the same….. I guess.

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  161. wayfarer says:
    @peterAUS

    I was a natural born fighter and was able to neutralize them quickly in choke holds.
     
    Interesting.

    Sounds good for self-defence of an average "angry white man".

    Would you, please, share the experience here?

    I ....imagine...it started with "speech contest", then the assailant got "in your face".
    One would imagine that a headbutt and/or short hook/uppercut (with a follow up) would be a good response, but you executed a choke hold. I suspect rear naked choke? Or was it a guillotine?
    That's some skill.....and a cool head.

    Maybe some of us could use that some day in dire straits.
    How were you doing that....please?

    It begins with no fear, no fear of any man, but possibly some animals (e.g. circling sharks in a stormy open ocean).

    Tempered by regular suicidal contemplation and a lifelong death wish.

    How does one acquire such a state of mind?

    Well in my particular case it was formed within a raging emotional crucible, beginning at a young age.

    Imagine an adult man, one who didn’t smoke or drink alcohol, one who was vital and physically powerful, one who was a battle hardened combat veteran, one who grew up poor in urban poverty, one who had next to no empathy or conscience, one who despised women and children, one who was angry at “god” and the world because they had shortchanged him in life.

    This was my father, and he had a routine sadistic ritual, which I was introduced to at around the age of five. It was a face to face, one on one, no holds barred, never pull any punches, whipping ritual.

    This is what tempered my ability to face any man, any extremely angry and dangerous man, with not one fear in my mind.

    I somehow crossed the path of a lot of bullies as a kid. For next to no reason, they always wanted to start a fight. I never threw the first punch, I never once lost the street fight.

    I always focused solely on the neck, period. Grab it lightening fast with an arm lock, throttle it, twist it, choke it, and if it really comes down to do-or-die, hit the vital windpipe with an open palm or closed fist. No formal martial art’s techniques, just an innate animal fight-to-the death instinct.

    It sounds very crude, but then again human beings at their inner core are one small step outside of an absolutely vicious and indifferent, animal kingdom.

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    Good post.
    On several levels.

    Some catch 22 for an average "angry white man" there though, but, it is what it is.

    An average angry white man would do well to understand what you just posted here.
    Key word: UNDERSTAND.
    All...of....it.....

    Somehow...doubt it will happen any time soon.

    Cheers.
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  162. Okechukwu says:
    @botazefa

    IQ is a learned academic exercise that has little to do with innate intelligence
     
    IQ's most certainly are not learned. IQ tests things that all bright people know. You can't 'learn' the test anywhere. You either have the chops or you do not. IQ scores are predictive of future socio-econonic status and relatively stable over life. There are no 85 IQ physicists. You're free of course to believe what you wish, but you are dead wrong on what IQ is.

    IQ’s most certainly are not learned. IQ tests things that all bright people know. You can’t ‘learn’ the test anywhere.

    Then it would remain static for all eternity. The fact is, IQ scores can be improved, often dramatically.

    IQ scores are predictive of future socio-econonic status and relatively stable over life.

    Education is, not IQ. A stable, healthy environment is far more predictive. A genius stuck in an economically deprived, hardscrabble existence is much less likely to be successful than a dumbass from an affluent background.

    There are no 85 IQ physicists.

    That’s because by virtue of their matriculation physicists are naturally immersed in the values IQ tests are designed to reward. But put them in an environment that requires native intelligence and quick thinking and you’ll find they’re not all as smart as their IQ scores would indicate.

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    But put them in an environment that requires native intelligence and quick thinking and you’ll find they’re not all as smart as their IQ scores would indicate.
     
    IQ specifically measures native intelligence, a subset of which is quick thinking. The beauty of the IQ test is that it is generalized. Someone with a high IQ will do better in any environment than someone with a low IQ.

    But, don't take my word for it. Read Dr. Thompson's stuff right here on Unz.com.

    I cannot begin to unwind just how wrong you are on the topic.
    , @Disordered
    An affluent background is not a necessarily educated background.
    Nor is a deprived background necessarily backwards.
    Both of those aspects depend on culture, which is more influential and harder to change than economic or institutional conditions than you'd think. I don't know if going so far as to label cultural differences as biological and thus immutable (as race realists say), but either way it is hard to change those differences so far.

    Of course, starting from a lower tier makes climbing the ladder harder, and the one on the upper tier has a birth advantage; but, the dumbass in your example is more likely to advance little or even fall from its tier, while the genius by virtue of being a genius should advance more, even if in absolute standards he might not get as far high in the ladder as the dumbass is. The genius's children might conquer the ladder and the dumbass though - as many Asian Americans have proven, rising far beyond what their ancestors in rice paddies dreamed of. All of that with much less aid than that given to other minorities.
    , @dc.sunsets

    Then it would remain static for all eternity. The fact is, IQ scores can be improved, often dramatically.
     
    Agreed, only if the "IQ test" is something like the SAT where a Kaplan-like approach can be used to memorize likely questions and answers.

    You're drifting off into Strawman arguments, however.

    However you wish to define it, general ability (the illusive "g") is innate.

    If you wish to argue this is untrue, please show me where a child who displays cognitive disability (which is BY DEFINITION low intelligence) can suddenly become highly cognitively able. That's like claiming that a child born with one leg can go on to become a world-class sprinter. (And don't talk about prosthetics unless you can show me a parallel development in artificial brain enhancement.)


    Very few people from affluent backgrounds end up poor. The question wasn’t about education, but about outcomes.
     
    Does it occur to you that twin studies have been conducted that prove quite conclusively that the heritability of intelligence (and personality traits like conscientiousness) explain this observation?

    No, I know the answer.

    I have an idea: Let's you go to where your ideas dominate and the rest of us go to where our ideas dominate and in a few generations figure out who's doing better. Never mind, we could already compare Sub-Saharan Africa to Indochina to East Asia to NW Europe.
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  163. botazefa says:
    @Okechukwu

    IQ’s most certainly are not learned. IQ tests things that all bright people know. You can’t ‘learn’ the test anywhere.
     
    Then it would remain static for all eternity. The fact is, IQ scores can be improved, often dramatically.

    IQ scores are predictive of future socio-econonic status and relatively stable over life.
     
    Education is, not IQ. A stable, healthy environment is far more predictive. A genius stuck in an economically deprived, hardscrabble existence is much less likely to be successful than a dumbass from an affluent background.

    There are no 85 IQ physicists.
     
    That's because by virtue of their matriculation physicists are naturally immersed in the values IQ tests are designed to reward. But put them in an environment that requires native intelligence and quick thinking and you'll find they're not all as smart as their IQ scores would indicate.

    But put them in an environment that requires native intelligence and quick thinking and you’ll find they’re not all as smart as their IQ scores would indicate.

    IQ specifically measures native intelligence, a subset of which is quick thinking. The beauty of the IQ test is that it is generalized. Someone with a high IQ will do better in any environment than someone with a low IQ.

    But, don’t take my word for it. Read Dr. Thompson’s stuff right here on Unz.com.

    I cannot begin to unwind just how wrong you are on the topic.

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    IQ specifically measures native intelligence, a subset of which is quick thinking. The beauty of the IQ test is that it is generalized. Someone with a high IQ will do better in any environment than someone with a low IQ.
     
    Wrong on all counts. No one knows for sure what IQ tests measure. We do know that IQ tests steeped in a different suite of cultural references will yield different results. Thus IQ is testing for acquired knowledge and cultural assimilation, not intelligence.

    But, don’t take my word for it. Read Dr. Thompson’s stuff right here on Unz.com.
     
    Thompson is an agenda-driven ideologue who likely would get himself laughed or hissed out of a an actual scientific conference. He is not credible.
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  164. peterAUS says:
    @wayfarer
    It begins with no fear, no fear of any man, but possibly some animals (e.g. circling sharks in a stormy open ocean).

    Tempered by regular suicidal contemplation and a lifelong death wish.

    How does one acquire such a state of mind?

    Well in my particular case it was formed within a raging emotional crucible, beginning at a young age.

    Imagine an adult man, one who didn't smoke or drink alcohol, one who was vital and physically powerful, one who was a battle hardened combat veteran, one who grew up poor in urban poverty, one who had next to no empathy or conscience, one who despised women and children, one who was angry at "god" and the world because they had shortchanged him in life.

    This was my father, and he had a routine sadistic ritual, which I was introduced to at around the age of five. It was a face to face, one on one, no holds barred, never pull any punches, whipping ritual.

    This is what tempered my ability to face any man, any extremely angry and dangerous man, with not one fear in my mind.

    I somehow crossed the path of a lot of bullies as a kid. For next to no reason, they always wanted to start a fight. I never threw the first punch, I never once lost the street fight.

    I always focused solely on the neck, period. Grab it lightening fast with an arm lock, throttle it, twist it, choke it, and if it really comes down to do-or-die, hit the vital windpipe with an open palm or closed fist. No formal martial art's techniques, just an innate animal fight-to-the death instinct.

    It sounds very crude, but then again human beings at their inner core are one small step outside of an absolutely vicious and indifferent, animal kingdom.

    Good post.
    On several levels.

    Some catch 22 for an average “angry white man” there though, but, it is what it is.

    An average angry white man would do well to understand what you just posted here.
    Key word: UNDERSTAND.
    All…of….it…..

    Somehow…doubt it will happen any time soon.

    Cheers.

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    A thousand thanks for listening and caring, "mate!"
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  165. Okechukwu says:
    @botazefa

    But put them in an environment that requires native intelligence and quick thinking and you’ll find they’re not all as smart as their IQ scores would indicate.
     
    IQ specifically measures native intelligence, a subset of which is quick thinking. The beauty of the IQ test is that it is generalized. Someone with a high IQ will do better in any environment than someone with a low IQ.

    But, don't take my word for it. Read Dr. Thompson's stuff right here on Unz.com.

    I cannot begin to unwind just how wrong you are on the topic.

    IQ specifically measures native intelligence, a subset of which is quick thinking. The beauty of the IQ test is that it is generalized. Someone with a high IQ will do better in any environment than someone with a low IQ.

    Wrong on all counts. No one knows for sure what IQ tests measure. We do know that IQ tests steeped in a different suite of cultural references will yield different results. Thus IQ is testing for acquired knowledge and cultural assimilation, not intelligence.

    But, don’t take my word for it. Read Dr. Thompson’s stuff right here on Unz.com.

    Thompson is an agenda-driven ideologue who likely would get himself laughed or hissed out of a an actual scientific conference. He is not credible.

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    If no one knows what they measure, why would they exist in the first place?

    IQ tests and their conclusions then at the very least should prove that some cultural references are more valuable to society than others.

    Ad hominems and appeals to the mainstream position for validation work both ways.
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  166. wayfarer says:
    @peterAUS
    Good post.
    On several levels.

    Some catch 22 for an average "angry white man" there though, but, it is what it is.

    An average angry white man would do well to understand what you just posted here.
    Key word: UNDERSTAND.
    All...of....it.....

    Somehow...doubt it will happen any time soon.

    Cheers.

    A thousand thanks for listening and caring, “mate!”

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    No prob.

    Can relate in some parts and definitely worked with/around/against similar types.

    Having said that, some rules for "Internet chatting" to keep in mind, if I may.
    Experience..... since the time of dial-up connections.

    If I were you I'd:
    Minimize "personal" communication to minimum.
    On top of it, never drop your guard when "chatting" with somebody.NEVER. I guess you just dropped it a bit in that post. Just a bit...
    All sites operate as...how to put it.....high school playground during a lunch break. You do remember how you did then? Here....you can't. Hence...if in doubt to trust somebody or not there is no doubt. Joke. From "Heat".

    All sites have a political agenda.
    And, of course, all sites of this type are monitored by...."them".
    Your types tend to...make them.....curious.

    Just my two cents.

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  167. peterAUS says:
    @wayfarer
    A thousand thanks for listening and caring, "mate!"

    No prob.

    Can relate in some parts and definitely worked with/around/against similar types.

    Having said that, some rules for “Internet chatting” to keep in mind, if I may.
    Experience….. since the time of dial-up connections.

    If I were you I’d:
    Minimize “personal” communication to minimum.
    On top of it, never drop your guard when “chatting” with somebody.NEVER. I guess you just dropped it a bit in that post. Just a bit…
    All sites operate as…how to put it…..high school playground during a lunch break. You do remember how you did then? Here….you can’t. Hence…if in doubt to trust somebody or not there is no doubt. Joke. From “Heat”.

    All sites have a political agenda.
    And, of course, all sites of this type are monitored by….”them”.
    Your types tend to…make them…..curious.

    Just my two cents.

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    You've got a heart.

    I appreciate the advice, and you're right.

    After all the things I've said here on Unz and years ago on ATS, I'm surprised no one has stopped by to take me out. I honestly seem to be asking for it subconsciously. But it's part of the death wish thing, and no fear.

    I attempt to consciously rationalize the candor, by believing I'm doing my part to combat the self-serving darkness that exists in this world. I keep telling myself someone's got to speak out, someone's got to expose their agendas. Even if it requires risking it all and making the ultimate sacrifice. As dumb as that sounds.

    It's like the Kamikaze, Japan's suicide Samurai. But with an ink pen, and not a Mitsubishi A6M "Zero" packed with dynamite.

    Now if that doesn't draw fire and get some deep state hitmen a contract, I don't know what will.

    Until next time, I'll be hunkered down in the U.S. Constitution's First Amendment bunker.

    Source:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

    “G,day mate!”

    ...

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  168. @Okechukwu
    Let's see, Trump got roughly the same percentage of the white male vote as Romney. So there goes that theory.

    White men are prime beneficiaries of Affirmative Action via white women. Adding to that white privilege and institutionalized advantage makes for a powerful combination.

    Percentage is not the same as voter turnout in absolute numbers. Which was much higher for Trump in that group, even when controlling for population growth. Trump also got not only a higher turnout but also a higher percentage of white women and minorities than many thought. Plus consider that there was higher absenteeism than in 2012, specially among liberals and centrists; and that many on the fence gave enough votes to Gary Cannabis Johnson in key battleground districts, or simply became Trump Democrats.

    I do concede that this strategy might lose in the long run due to the wall not being built… yet.

    Interesting pseudo-theory about affirmative action. By your logic, black males are even more advantaged since in the affirmative action ladder black women > white women. Then again, you just might want to try to explain why so many black men want white women.

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    Percentage is not the same as voter turnout in absolute numbers. Which was much higher for Trump in that group, even when controlling for population growth.
     
    Trump got the typical Republican share of the white vote. There was no paradigm shift. Romney actually got a slightly higher percentage of the white vote. 60% of eligible voters voted in 2016, 59% in 2012 and 62% in 2008. The electorate is 70% white yet Trump lost the popular vote by 3 million.

    Plus consider that there was higher absenteeism than in 2012, specially among liberals and centrists; and that many on the fence gave enough votes to Gary Cannabis Johnson in key battleground districts, or simply became Trump Democrats.
     
    A higher black turnout alone would've given Clinton the presidency. She actually got a higher percentage of the black vote than Obama did in 2012. But not enough showed up.

    By your logic, black males are even more advantaged since in the affirmative action ladder black women > white women.
     
    There is no Affirmative Action ladder. White women are the prime beneficiaries, not black women. This is a fact that you can easily Google. Look up white women Affirmative Action.

    Then again, you just might want to try to explain why so many black men want white women.
     
    First you explain why even more white women want black men.
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  169. @Okechukwu

    IQ specifically measures native intelligence, a subset of which is quick thinking. The beauty of the IQ test is that it is generalized. Someone with a high IQ will do better in any environment than someone with a low IQ.
     
    Wrong on all counts. No one knows for sure what IQ tests measure. We do know that IQ tests steeped in a different suite of cultural references will yield different results. Thus IQ is testing for acquired knowledge and cultural assimilation, not intelligence.

    But, don’t take my word for it. Read Dr. Thompson’s stuff right here on Unz.com.
     
    Thompson is an agenda-driven ideologue who likely would get himself laughed or hissed out of a an actual scientific conference. He is not credible.

    If no one knows what they measure, why would they exist in the first place?

    IQ tests and their conclusions then at the very least should prove that some cultural references are more valuable to society than others.

    Ad hominems and appeals to the mainstream position for validation work both ways.

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  170. @Okechukwu

    IQ’s most certainly are not learned. IQ tests things that all bright people know. You can’t ‘learn’ the test anywhere.
     
    Then it would remain static for all eternity. The fact is, IQ scores can be improved, often dramatically.

    IQ scores are predictive of future socio-econonic status and relatively stable over life.
     
    Education is, not IQ. A stable, healthy environment is far more predictive. A genius stuck in an economically deprived, hardscrabble existence is much less likely to be successful than a dumbass from an affluent background.

    There are no 85 IQ physicists.
     
    That's because by virtue of their matriculation physicists are naturally immersed in the values IQ tests are designed to reward. But put them in an environment that requires native intelligence and quick thinking and you'll find they're not all as smart as their IQ scores would indicate.

    An affluent background is not a necessarily educated background.
    Nor is a deprived background necessarily backwards.
    Both of those aspects depend on culture, which is more influential and harder to change than economic or institutional conditions than you’d think. I don’t know if going so far as to label cultural differences as biological and thus immutable (as race realists say), but either way it is hard to change those differences so far.

    Of course, starting from a lower tier makes climbing the ladder harder, and the one on the upper tier has a birth advantage; but, the dumbass in your example is more likely to advance little or even fall from its tier, while the genius by virtue of being a genius should advance more, even if in absolute standards he might not get as far high in the ladder as the dumbass is. The genius’s children might conquer the ladder and the dumbass though – as many Asian Americans have proven, rising far beyond what their ancestors in rice paddies dreamed of. All of that with much less aid than that given to other minorities.

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    An affluent background is not a necessarily educated background. Nor is a deprived background necessarily backwards.
     
    Very few people from affluent backgrounds end up poor. The question wasn't about education, but about outcomes. My assertion, which is ridiculously obvious, is that a stable, financially comfortable background is more predictive of success than IQ. You don't think there were geniuses picking cotton in Alabama? Of course there were. There are certain pernicious social conditions that no amount of genius is going to remedy. That's why we find that all the great European thinkers and scientists just happened to be of the wealthy landed gentry class. That's not a coincidence.

    the dumbass in your example is more likely to advance little or even fall from its tier, while the genius by virtue of being a genius should advance more,
     
    Nope. A lot of dumbasses run the world, run major corporations or are otherwise very successful. They are products of a legacy system that ensured their success. If George W. Bush was the son of an auto mechanic he might've ended up working at the Walmart stock room. I assure you, many people that are innately smarter than George W. Bush do work such jobs.

    as many Asian Americans have proven, rising far beyond what their ancestors in rice paddies dreamed of. All of that with much less aid than that given to other minorities.
     
    Asians take advantage of Affirmative Action, set-asides and protected group status more than most people realize. They do it quietly, even the ones from rich countries like Japan.
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  171. @Okechukwu

    Same percentage, but was there a difference in voter turnout?
     
    Trump got 2 million more votes than Romney. There was a larger voter pool in 2016 but with less voter participation. Trump also got a larger share of the minority vote than Romney.

    What I said, and precisely how you contradicted yourself.
    Not to mention, the white male demographic was key in battleground states that Romney, or Republicans for that matter, never dreamed of winning. And it will continue to be key in Electoral College terms, unless the wall is not built I suppose…

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  172. Okechukwu says:
    @Disordered
    Percentage is not the same as voter turnout in absolute numbers. Which was much higher for Trump in that group, even when controlling for population growth. Trump also got not only a higher turnout but also a higher percentage of white women and minorities than many thought. Plus consider that there was higher absenteeism than in 2012, specially among liberals and centrists; and that many on the fence gave enough votes to Gary Cannabis Johnson in key battleground districts, or simply became Trump Democrats.

    I do concede that this strategy might lose in the long run due to the wall not being built... yet.

    Interesting pseudo-theory about affirmative action. By your logic, black males are even more advantaged since in the affirmative action ladder black women > white women. Then again, you just might want to try to explain why so many black men want white women.

    Percentage is not the same as voter turnout in absolute numbers. Which was much higher for Trump in that group, even when controlling for population growth.

    Trump got the typical Republican share of the white vote. There was no paradigm shift. Romney actually got a slightly higher percentage of the white vote. 60% of eligible voters voted in 2016, 59% in 2012 and 62% in 2008. The electorate is 70% white yet Trump lost the popular vote by 3 million.

    Plus consider that there was higher absenteeism than in 2012, specially among liberals and centrists; and that many on the fence gave enough votes to Gary Cannabis Johnson in key battleground districts, or simply became Trump Democrats.

    A higher black turnout alone would’ve given Clinton the presidency. She actually got a higher percentage of the black vote than Obama did in 2012. But not enough showed up.

    By your logic, black males are even more advantaged since in the affirmative action ladder black women > white women.

    There is no Affirmative Action ladder. White women are the prime beneficiaries, not black women. This is a fact that you can easily Google. Look up white women Affirmative Action.

    Then again, you just might want to try to explain why so many black men want white women.

    First you explain why even more white women want black men.

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  173. Okechukwu says:
    @Disordered
    An affluent background is not a necessarily educated background.
    Nor is a deprived background necessarily backwards.
    Both of those aspects depend on culture, which is more influential and harder to change than economic or institutional conditions than you'd think. I don't know if going so far as to label cultural differences as biological and thus immutable (as race realists say), but either way it is hard to change those differences so far.

    Of course, starting from a lower tier makes climbing the ladder harder, and the one on the upper tier has a birth advantage; but, the dumbass in your example is more likely to advance little or even fall from its tier, while the genius by virtue of being a genius should advance more, even if in absolute standards he might not get as far high in the ladder as the dumbass is. The genius's children might conquer the ladder and the dumbass though - as many Asian Americans have proven, rising far beyond what their ancestors in rice paddies dreamed of. All of that with much less aid than that given to other minorities.

    An affluent background is not a necessarily educated background. Nor is a deprived background necessarily backwards.

    Very few people from affluent backgrounds end up poor. The question wasn’t about education, but about outcomes. My assertion, which is ridiculously obvious, is that a stable, financially comfortable background is more predictive of success than IQ. You don’t think there were geniuses picking cotton in Alabama? Of course there were. There are certain pernicious social conditions that no amount of genius is going to remedy. That’s why we find that all the great European thinkers and scientists just happened to be of the wealthy landed gentry class. That’s not a coincidence.

    the dumbass in your example is more likely to advance little or even fall from its tier, while the genius by virtue of being a genius should advance more,

    Nope. A lot of dumbasses run the world, run major corporations or are otherwise very successful. They are products of a legacy system that ensured their success. If George W. Bush was the son of an auto mechanic he might’ve ended up working at the Walmart stock room. I assure you, many people that are innately smarter than George W. Bush do work such jobs.

    as many Asian Americans have proven, rising far beyond what their ancestors in rice paddies dreamed of. All of that with much less aid than that given to other minorities.

    Asians take advantage of Affirmative Action, set-asides and protected group status more than most people realize. They do it quietly, even the ones from rich countries like Japan.

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    Nope. A lot of dumbasses run the world, run major corporations or are otherwise very successful.
     
    Translation: "We wuz kangs, but whitey stole our mojo."
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  174. Rurik says:
    @peterAUS
    Agree.

    I chimed in this thread because of that, often misplaced/outdated attitude "white angry men" have today.
    Combination of "old school"/gentleman and "new school"/emasculated.

    Boils down to reasoning, self restraint, totally emasculated (pun intended) approach to self defense and such.
    And then, those types wonder how come we are constantly on the back foot, constantly retreating, constantly losing ground.
    A "red line"/line in the sand is drawn->then, a "debate" and "reasoning" starts from that very line but always...always....into our protected territory. And then, a compromise, always into our "area", and then a small retreat (frog in a boiling water).
    Then the new line in the sand is drawn...and the same game starts all over again.
    And again.

    I just watched that show "Yes Prime minister" again. There is one episode where all people in power there (Prime Minister, a couple of Cabinet Ministers and senior civil service mandarins, all white males......) are laughing when a youngish Minister proposed a heavy tax on smoking.
    And, where are the smokers today?
    Who is laughing now?

    Back to violence. Basics of it.
    Fact: a man can never out talk a women in a heated conversation.
    Fact: if there is a report of violence the state response is ALWAYS starting on premise that the man is the culprit.

    I remember when I was young a woman wouldn't behave as I see them behaving now.

    You walk along the street and, say, bump into a woman->you say "sorry", she says "no problem". If she says something else you give her a look and she knows what's going to happen next if she tries to escalate. Just a look. And it would escalate in instant.
    Peace.

    Today, a man can expect a torrent of not so pleasant words. Look means nothing, she simply doesn't get it. The smart man walks away. Not so smart man starts arguing and that, in public, almost always ends with even more humiliating retreat.
    Or explosion of violence out of blue and out of proportion. Towards anyone at the place and time.

    Domestic scenario:
    A dispute->both start arguing->as argument gets into heated verbal fight a man, naturally, shortens his replies->woman, naturally, lengthens her replies->man gets angrier and starts replying in shorter and shorter sentences->woman, seeing space, opens up with even more words, and, on top of it, she can really say a LOT just to hurt->man starts responding in syllables->she truly opens up (that's where his masculinity is usually derided ........)->WHACK.
    She didn't even recognize that right cross coming, didn't/couldn't compensate and gets, effectively, knocked down, sometimes even out.
    She stays on the floor and now starts screaming->somebody calls police.
    The rest of the game is well known............

    And that creates an..interesting...circle.

    Women today know that any "public response" will be in her favor.
    So, they use it, as a weapon. That creates frustration...resentment....anger....seething rage....so when that explodes a woman most of the time gets really hurt.
    Not anymore just grab her with "shut the f&*k up" and all that stops. Till next time, of course but that's another story.
    Now it gets into rage with bashing and kicking which results in coma and lengthy prison sentence.
    Which then fuels the "system" and SJWs, feminists in particular.
    So, more brainwashing (males are bad), more laws, more taxpayer money on all that......and, of course....more seething rage needing almost nothing to explode.
    A perfect cycle.

    And then, those types wonder how come we are constantly on the back foot, constantly retreating, constantly losing ground.

    it’s a pendulum swing to the left

    I suspect it’s at its apex right now, and will begin swinging back to the right soon, if recent events are any indication. And if the Deepstate/globalists haven’t yet consolidated their absolute power over all the levers of Western, global power. Which if they had, we’d be at war with Iran and Russia by now.

    masculinity is usually derided ……..)->WHACK.

    before that happens, there is usually some deep and simmering resentments in the relationship.

    Women as you know never come out and say what they’re angry about. It’s always oblique and masked with talk of barely related issues or subjects.

    If she’s unhappy about something, then she’s not going to tell you what it is, she’s just going to make you suffer. And if you’re in a relationship, then she knows what buttons to push.

    And then you’re right, if it gets physical, then you lose.

    Women today know that any “public response” will be in her favor.
    So, they use it, as a weapon

    yes, just like divorce. It’s a sword of Damocles hanging over all Western men’s heads, unless you have a solid relationship.

    there’s an interesting relationship website that I’ve perused from time to time just to see what they’re extoling on any given day. I suspect that they’re on to something, exactly what I can’t say. It’s not just for single guys looking for better strategies for getting laid, it also has some interesting insights into the nature of the sexes and our hardwiring. Relationships and such.

    If I’m not mistaken, The Unz Review even linked to it at one time, but then thought better of it.

    anyways, check it out, and let me know what you think..

    https://heartiste.wordpress.com/

    https://heartiste.wordpress.com/the-sixteen-commandments-of-poon/

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    before that happens, there is usually some deep and simmering resentments in the relationship.

    Women as you know never come out and say what they’re angry about. It’s always oblique and masked with talk of barely related issues or subjects.

    If she’s unhappy about something, then she’s not going to tell you what it is, she’s just going to make you suffer. And if you’re in a relationship, then she knows what buttons to push.

    And then you’re right, if it gets physical, then you lose.
     

    Agree.

    The last sentence, though.............depends.......

    A .....friend of mine......has been in a marriage for a long time. Old school. A man capable of extreme violence when younger; willing to do the same in instant even now as a bit aged, but, reflexes/strength/stamina aren't there anymore of course.
    The point is, he's never been "physical" with his wife although they've gone through some challenges in their marriage. Never.
    But....at the same time....the wife knew/know that if it ever gets violent it will be........bad.
    Really bad.
    So, that, in some, almost perverse sense actually, has kept it from ever getting physical.
    Like M.A.D. almost.


    yes, just like divorce. It’s a sword of Damocles hanging over all Western men’s heads, unless you have a solid relationship.
     
    Agree.
    Can see it all over the place.
    Just a couple of months ago my neighbors, white, Anglos, just'd got a beautiful little boy a year before, divorced. We didn't see it coming at all. Perfect youngish couple. Bang.My wife got some hints from the wife which I didn't get.
    Which brings us to the rest of your post.

    While I appreciate the


    anyways, check it out, and let me know what you think..
     
    and read a couple of quite good articles, IMHO, I am NOT a guy who feels he is an expert in that topic.
    I am just not.

    Honestly, I do not get modern women. Or men for that matter. I am also...as that friend of mine I mentioned above...an old school fellow. A relic from different....era.....I think. A dinosaur, by all modern social norms really.
    My wife is the old school too and we've been through some hard times. Together.

    I mean, when I read (and I do) all this ...modern...man/woman...thing....I just don't care really.

    A woman and a man (in that order in my book) have managed The Game for tens of thousands of years. When I say in my book, a woman is more important than a man. A man dies for his woman if necessary. And she shall respect that and act/behave/do accordingly.
    Worked for a long time well.

    And now, with all this...modern.....intellectual..clap/trap...nothing apparently works anymore.
    I really crack up when read all this "sensitive this, understanding that, touchy-feely,, sharing, blah...blah..." thing.
    Now, I do know that my approach doesn't work with modern women.
    So, the modern men, young in particular, well...have a problem.
    How to solve it...I do not know.

    I just have a....feeling...that something is missing in communication.
    Not words....communication.

    Say, an example (old school that is, hence, obsolete):
    A man gets back from "the job". He's dirty, spent, haunted. She doesn't ask anything. He cleans up while she makes a dinner. No....talk....He eats in silence...alone....she's busy around the house. He goes to sleep. Before that maybe some "action" (depends how spent he is). She is careful around him.
    In the morning things start getting back to sort of normal. She starts talking a bit about how is he, does he need this/that...stuff like that. He thaws a bit and the normal life starts slowly getting back.
    She never asks about "the job".
    He never talks about 'the job".
    Etc.

    There is no "counseling", "sharing" about his traumatic experiences.
    A man deals with that by himself and she keeps out of way, carefully keeping an eye on him.
    She takes care of kids, home...in essence keeps the home and family running. Now, it all does run on his income and earnings and his position in society.
    But, he does not direct his ....problems...on the wife and Hell no on the kids. Ever.
    He does a man's job, she does a woman's job.
    Division of labor and responsibility. Mutual support. Mutual respect.
    The same game since the caveman.

    Now...imagine that today.
    Can't, of course.

    In my time it was inconceivable not to open a door for a woman carrying something.
    Today, when I do it by reflex they give me funny looks. Sometimes even a lip. Rarely thank you or smile.

    In my time if a woman screams in an dark street a man shall go there and risk a heavy street fight to protect that woman.
    Now....not quite.

    A couple of months ago I was waiting for the "green" and saw:
    A 50 kg blonde and pretty youngish woman struggling to change a tire on a big four wheel car. Around 20 meters from her, in plain sight, two youngish men were chatting.
    Modern world...equal sexes......whatever.

    Now, after all this, there IS a book I found sort of enlightening at this age.
    "Men are from Mars and women are from Venus".

    So, I guess my generation was lucky.
    We didn't have "equality of sexes" but we have had happy marriages.

    This generation, well....they have this thing I just don't get.
    I guess one could call that thing.....a CONFUSION.
    Brain confusing genital area...........for the lack of better expression.
    I also feel some...laziness....unwillingness to share hardship. A wish to be happy first and foremost.
    I my time it was not about being happy but about doing what we felt was right. If it took hardship and sacrifice so what, that's what a man/woman (in that order) is supposed to do.
    In essence, earning life.

    Things change............

    Today it's all about "one has to be happy".
    Good luck with that.

    And, really, I have no practical advice whatsoever.
    Haha..even if I had they'd say "that was before, not good anymore. OLD".

    Good.

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  175. Corvinus says:
    @dc.sunsets
    Corrie, baby, we keep having this same "dialogue."

    You push your Magic Dirt theory but where do you live?
    You push your Blank Slate theory, but again....where do you live?

    I guess I know something you don't; the trends of the last 50 years are not remotely permanent. In fact, they form a historical outlier of such astonishing proportion that only the most ignorant people cannot see it.

    Let's resolve to revisit all this in a decade or two to see whose vision turns out to be closer to reality.

    In the meantime, you continue to think I'm a bad person, and I'll continue to think you're a fool.

    “You push your Magic Dirt theory but where do you live?”

    Ever since our nation’s inception we have had a wide range of ethnic groups living together. They worked together to create a society. Other groups of people have joined in. Certainly, some have easily immersed into our culture, and others have taken a bit longer. Land, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness is a universal code hardwired into our human DNA. The experiment of America has been tested and will continue to be tested. Feel free to be all in or go back or do what is best for your own family. We normies don’t care.

    “You push your Blank Slate theory, but again….where do you live?”

    Scientists and philosophers will continue to debate nature versus nurture, blank slate or race realism, biology or environment. Does anyone even have the TRUE answer?

    And where do I live? I live in a middle to upper middle class community with different races and cultures. We get along quite well. Just celebrated Halloween in our neighborhood. Even lil’ Aasim was on his best behavior. He kept the Molotov cocktails at home this year.

    “I guess I know something you don’t; the trends of the last 50 years are not remotely permanent.”

    That may be true, but then again there may be such a paradigm shift that even the historical trends you rely on have put on their head, considering we live in a world where widespread international commerce, rapidly changing technology, and innovative social media platforms all converge.

    “In fact, they form a historical outlier of such astonishing proportion that only the most ignorant people cannot see it.”

    Now, it is quite possible that there will be this epic financial meltdown, with national economies collapsing and civil strife carving out a bloody swath across the landscape. From death, comes life. A reboot. And from the ashes will arise some sort of new world order, however it is decided by the winners.

    “Let’s resolve to revisit all this in a decade or two to see whose vision turns out to be closer to reality.”

    Without a doubt. But remember that Generation Z will be the ultimate game changer here, with their tendency to lean as fiscal conservatives but as social liberals. They will set the tone and maybe even change the rules, perhaps maybe even more so than those damn Boomers, eh?

    “In the meantime, you continue to think I’m a bad person, and I’ll continue to think you’re a fool.”

    You have it the other way around. I’m the bad person, specifically a “bad white”, and you’re the fool.

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    "I guess I know something you don’t; the trends of the last 50 years are not remotely permanent."

    That may be true, but then again there may be such a paradigm shift that even the historical trends you rely on have put on their head, considering we live in a world where widespread international commerce, rapidly changing technology, and innovative social media platforms all converge.
     
    New Era? That's your position?

    (Chuckle.) You do a wonderful job illustrating my attribution of the gulf between us.
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  176. wayfarer says:
    @peterAUS
    No prob.

    Can relate in some parts and definitely worked with/around/against similar types.

    Having said that, some rules for "Internet chatting" to keep in mind, if I may.
    Experience..... since the time of dial-up connections.

    If I were you I'd:
    Minimize "personal" communication to minimum.
    On top of it, never drop your guard when "chatting" with somebody.NEVER. I guess you just dropped it a bit in that post. Just a bit...
    All sites operate as...how to put it.....high school playground during a lunch break. You do remember how you did then? Here....you can't. Hence...if in doubt to trust somebody or not there is no doubt. Joke. From "Heat".

    All sites have a political agenda.
    And, of course, all sites of this type are monitored by...."them".
    Your types tend to...make them.....curious.

    Just my two cents.

    You’ve got a heart.

    I appreciate the advice, and you’re right.

    After all the things I’ve said here on Unz and years ago on ATS, I’m surprised no one has stopped by to take me out. I honestly seem to be asking for it subconsciously. But it’s part of the death wish thing, and no fear.

    I attempt to consciously rationalize the candor, by believing I’m doing my part to combat the self-serving darkness that exists in this world. I keep telling myself someone’s got to speak out, someone’s got to expose their agendas. Even if it requires risking it all and making the ultimate sacrifice. As dumb as that sounds.

    It’s like the Kamikaze, Japan’s suicide Samurai. But with an ink pen, and not a Mitsubishi A6M “Zero” packed with dynamite.

    Now if that doesn’t draw fire and get some deep state hitmen a contract, I don’t know what will.

    Until next time, I’ll be hunkered down in the U.S. Constitution’s First Amendment bunker.

    Source:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

    “G,day mate!”

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  177. joef says:
    @Okechukwu

    Oke-dokey, if angry white guys (who own a quantity of effective firearms and ammunition to feed them that you lack the mathematical acumen to grasp) ever really chose to let their anger flow unrestrained, I’m betting you’d be among the first to realize the mistake you made inciting them.
     
    Anybody can pull a trigger, angry or not. White people don't have a magical ability to kill people that others lack. Nor are they bulletproof.

    Comments like yours reinforce my conviction that “you know not what you do,” and for that I have a small amount of pity for you.
     
    Laughable.

    You look at one mentally-deranged “white guy” who makes the news, ignoring the dead/wounded in Chicago year-to-date (601, according to heyjackass.com) who are largely blacks killed by blacks, and write your comment. What a clown.
     
    Both are wrong. But people of your ilk have this tendency to grandstand about "black crime" while pretending that whites are somehow genetically incapable of committing the kind of horrors we see them commit daily.

    Both are wrong. But people of your ilk have this tendency to grandstand about “black crime” while pretending that whites are somehow genetically incapable of committing the kind of horrors we see them commit daily.

    Again you are guilty of making inaccurate assumptions… just as speaking of afro american atrocities, in defensive terms, is not the same as advocating the offensive harming of afros… the pointing out of afro violence, is not because other races are incapable of it, but because afros commit so much more of it!

    Your side believes any criticism of afros in a presumption of white guilt/racism… yet you use the same type of generalizations against anyone who disagrees with your racial ideas (in other words: generalizing about White afro critics is okay, but generalizing about afro antisocial behavior is not allowed). If afros behave in a civilized manner, then you wouldn’t hear a peep from most of us (and many of us know someone who personally suffered from afro criminal activity etc, so we choose not to ignore this just because you disapprove of it). Surrounded by insular liberal confirmation bias, I do not expect you to agree with us, but that does not mean that we must ignore our own contrary empirical life experience.

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    Again you are guilty of making inaccurate assumptions… just as speaking of afro american atrocities, in defensive terms, is not the same as advocating the offensive harming of afros…
     
    Funny that you are fixated on "Afro American atrocities" within a day or two of another white man committing yet another gross atrocity. That goes to my point that you people don't care a whit about "black crime," most of which are conjured up in your minds. You just find it a convenient vehicle through which to express your irrational hatred. News accounts are dripping with atrocities committed by whites daily. But you don't care because you don't actually care about crime or atrocities.
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  178. peterAUS says:
    @Rurik

    And then, those types wonder how come we are constantly on the back foot, constantly retreating, constantly losing ground.
     
    it's a pendulum swing to the left

    I suspect it's at its apex right now, and will begin swinging back to the right soon, if recent events are any indication. And if the Deepstate/globalists haven't yet consolidated their absolute power over all the levers of Western, global power. Which if they had, we'd be at war with Iran and Russia by now.


    masculinity is usually derided ……..)->WHACK.
     
    before that happens, there is usually some deep and simmering resentments in the relationship.

    Women as you know never come out and say what they're angry about. It's always oblique and masked with talk of barely related issues or subjects.

    If she's unhappy about something, then she's not going to tell you what it is, she's just going to make you suffer. And if you're in a relationship, then she knows what buttons to push.

    And then you're right, if it gets physical, then you lose.


    Women today know that any “public response” will be in her favor.
    So, they use it, as a weapon
     
    yes, just like divorce. It's a sword of Damocles hanging over all Western men's heads, unless you have a solid relationship.

    there's an interesting relationship website that I've perused from time to time just to see what they're extoling on any given day. I suspect that they're on to something, exactly what I can't say. It's not just for single guys looking for better strategies for getting laid, it also has some interesting insights into the nature of the sexes and our hardwiring. Relationships and such.

    If I'm not mistaken, The Unz Review even linked to it at one time, but then thought better of it.

    anyways, check it out, and let me know what you think..

    https://heartiste.wordpress.com/

    https://heartiste.wordpress.com/the-sixteen-commandments-of-poon/

    before that happens, there is usually some deep and simmering resentments in the relationship.

    Women as you know never come out and say what they’re angry about. It’s always oblique and masked with talk of barely related issues or subjects.

    If she’s unhappy about something, then she’s not going to tell you what it is, she’s just going to make you suffer. And if you’re in a relationship, then she knows what buttons to push.

    And then you’re right, if it gets physical, then you lose.

    Agree.

    The last sentence, though………….depends…….

    A …..friend of mine……has been in a marriage for a long time. Old school. A man capable of extreme violence when younger; willing to do the same in instant even now as a bit aged, but, reflexes/strength/stamina aren’t there anymore of course.
    The point is, he’s never been “physical” with his wife although they’ve gone through some challenges in their marriage. Never.
    But….at the same time….the wife knew/know that if it ever gets violent it will be……..bad.
    Really bad.
    So, that, in some, almost perverse sense actually, has kept it from ever getting physical.
    Like M.A.D. almost.

    yes, just like divorce. It’s a sword of Damocles hanging over all Western men’s heads, unless you have a solid relationship.

    Agree.
    Can see it all over the place.
    Just a couple of months ago my neighbors, white, Anglos, just’d got a beautiful little boy a year before, divorced. We didn’t see it coming at all. Perfect youngish couple. Bang.My wife got some hints from the wife which I didn’t get.
    Which brings us to the rest of your post.

    While I appreciate the

    anyways, check it out, and let me know what you think..

    and read a couple of quite good articles, IMHO, I am NOT a guy who feels he is an expert in that topic.
    I am just not.

    Honestly, I do not get modern women. Or men for that matter. I am also…as that friend of mine I mentioned above…an old school fellow. A relic from different….era…..I think. A dinosaur, by all modern social norms really.
    My wife is the old school too and we’ve been through some hard times. Together.

    I mean, when I read (and I do) all this …modern…man/woman…thing….I just don’t care really.

    A woman and a man (in that order in my book) have managed The Game for tens of thousands of years. When I say in my book, a woman is more important than a man. A man dies for his woman if necessary. And she shall respect that and act/behave/do accordingly.
    Worked for a long time well.

    And now, with all this…modern…..intellectual..clap/trap…nothing apparently works anymore.
    I really crack up when read all this “sensitive this, understanding that, touchy-feely,, sharing, blah…blah…” thing.
    Now, I do know that my approach doesn’t work with modern women.
    So, the modern men, young in particular, well…have a problem.
    How to solve it…I do not know.

    I just have a….feeling…that something is missing in communication.
    Not words….communication.

    Say, an example (old school that is, hence, obsolete):
    A man gets back from “the job”. He’s dirty, spent, haunted. She doesn’t ask anything. He cleans up while she makes a dinner. No….talk….He eats in silence…alone….she’s busy around the house. He goes to sleep. Before that maybe some “action” (depends how spent he is). She is careful around him.
    In the morning things start getting back to sort of normal. She starts talking a bit about how is he, does he need this/that…stuff like that. He thaws a bit and the normal life starts slowly getting back.
    She never asks about “the job”.
    He never talks about ‘the job”.
    Etc.

    There is no “counseling”, “sharing” about his traumatic experiences.
    A man deals with that by himself and she keeps out of way, carefully keeping an eye on him.
    She takes care of kids, home…in essence keeps the home and family running. Now, it all does run on his income and earnings and his position in society.
    But, he does not direct his ….problems…on the wife and Hell no on the kids. Ever.
    He does a man’s job, she does a woman’s job.
    Division of labor and responsibility. Mutual support. Mutual respect.
    The same game since the caveman.

    Now…imagine that today.
    Can’t, of course.

    In my time it was inconceivable not to open a door for a woman carrying something.
    Today, when I do it by reflex they give me funny looks. Sometimes even a lip. Rarely thank you or smile.

    In my time if a woman screams in an dark street a man shall go there and risk a heavy street fight to protect that woman.
    Now….not quite.

    A couple of months ago I was waiting for the “green” and saw:
    A 50 kg blonde and pretty youngish woman struggling to change a tire on a big four wheel car. Around 20 meters from her, in plain sight, two youngish men were chatting.
    Modern world…equal sexes……whatever.

    Now, after all this, there IS a book I found sort of enlightening at this age.
    “Men are from Mars and women are from Venus”.

    So, I guess my generation was lucky.
    We didn’t have “equality of sexes” but we have had happy marriages.

    This generation, well….they have this thing I just don’t get.
    I guess one could call that thing…..a CONFUSION.
    Brain confusing genital area………..for the lack of better expression.
    I also feel some…laziness….unwillingness to share hardship. A wish to be happy first and foremost.
    I my time it was not about being happy but about doing what we felt was right. If it took hardship and sacrifice so what, that’s what a man/woman (in that order) is supposed to do.
    In essence, earning life.

    Things change…………

    Today it’s all about “one has to be happy“.
    Good luck with that.

    And, really, I have no practical advice whatsoever.
    Haha..even if I had they’d say “that was before, not good anymore. OLD”.

    Good.

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    When all men - black, red, yellow or white - discover what a clitoris is - life will get better.

    Women are so used to being a repository, rather than a partner - they don't confess their needs to their partners, and often don't even complain to other women.

    ITS THE CLITORIS DUMMIES..... only then will you get a leg up on Rachel Maddow and the man haters.
    , @Rurik

    an expert in that topic.
     
    well, that's what they're there to assist with

    men and women are vastly different, (obviously) and we're motivated by fundamental principles that go back to our evolutionary past. By understanding those hard-wired principles, and how they manifest in modern times, is helpful in navigating the contemporary relationship mine field.

    I just have a….feeling…that something is missing in communication.
    Not words….communication.
     
    99% of the most important communication is non-verbal. If you project confidence, then she'll likely respond to that more than a thousand sonnets or odes to her ethereal beauty.

    you're right that modern American women have been psychologically poisoned with the mantras of equalism and hostility to (especially white) men. But with a proper perspective, and an aloof attitude, women long to feel that inner femininity (the opposite of feminism) that runs deep in their blood and in their loins. They despise the 'men' who follow the fashions like homosexual metro-sexuals. It is visceral, and that's why you always heard of girls liking the 'bad boy'.

    They say they want a nice man who will do the dishes and change the diapers, but in their heart of hearts, (the hamster ; ) they revile such men as weak. There is nothing on this planet that earns the contempt and even hatred of a woman than a weak and appeasing 'man'.

    just my two centavos

    also I noticed that gustafus chimed in that: "ITS THE CLITORIS DUMMIES"

    check out commandment number XIV

    https://heartiste.wordpress.com/the-sixteen-commandments-of-poon/

    (perhaps the most important commandment of all ; )
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  179. LauraMR says:
    @MarkinLA
    One thing I do know about extremely intelligent people since I have been working around plenty of people with PhDs, MS, and BS in engineering is that the people who tend to brag about themselves and their intellect or grades being "off the chart" usually are the dumbest in the bunch.

    I heard enough of this "You have to twice as good if you are black" whining from mediocre black engineers to last a lifetime.

    Your whole fantasy world however, is quite entertaining.

    The irony is that you are precisely the person that gets in the way, that is, the person that looked at my transcripts and said “BS!” before pitching them in the trash.

    She was caught, btw, and not a single thing happened to her.

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  180. LauraMR says:
    @dc.sunsets
    Damn those graduate degrees in Wymn's Studies or English Lit.

    I take your incredible (as in not-credible) anecdote and raise you 30 years in corporate America, where positions and promotions "reserved for 'diversity hires'" were openly acknowledged.

    My fav: The arrogant 6'5" black guy with no management development training whatsoever who was relocated halfway across the country to manage a sales district in my region, leapfrogging at least half a dozen far-better-qualified men and women (most of whom were white) because the region "needed" a diversity-box-checking manager.

    He was so bad that, when a reorganization came and he phoned one of "his" reps to tell her she still had a job, and that she'd still be working for him, she quit her job on the spot. In that reorg he became my manager, and I learned what it was like to live in hell for the days preceding and during when I had to do my job with him next to me.

    So to summarize: Jam your lies where the sun doesn't shine.

    The comical element in comments such as yours is that you naively confess with angry shouts that you have no comprehension of the educational system.

    Here is a shocker for you. Universities are daycare centers. Graduating at the top of a class is next to trivial.

    Only those that have never been to college (or are on the impolite side of the curve) fail to appreciate this.

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    Here is a shocker for you. Universities are daycare centers. Graduating at the top of a class is next to trivial.
     
    Really? Explain that to my middle kid, who graduated with a 4.0 in an engineering discipline.

    Think you could get a single answer correct on any exam he took in "fluid dynamics?"

    Do you think you could do a day of his job today, even if you job-shadowed him for a YEAR?

    Your comment illustrates a level of ignorance so profound that I can only conclude you have literally zero clue from where a #2 pencil comes, much less how a kW of electricity is generated and reaches your home. You and those like you, if you're ever able to fully come into control of human society, will take the human race back to prehistory.
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  181. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @botazefa

    IQ is a learned academic exercise that has little to do with innate intelligence
     
    IQ's most certainly are not learned. IQ tests things that all bright people know. You can't 'learn' the test anywhere. You either have the chops or you do not. IQ scores are predictive of future socio-econonic status and relatively stable over life. There are no 85 IQ physicists. You're free of course to believe what you wish, but you are dead wrong on what IQ is.

    Any test can be gamed through practice. Give kids regular IQ tests from an early age and they’ll do better at them than kids who’ve never seen such tests before.

    This defies the point of IQ testing of course, which is to capture a candid snapshot of a person’s cognitive ability without giving them the opportunity to prep themselves first.

    An effective IQ test is one the candidate doesn’t know is an IQ test.

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    Congratulations. You just failed the IQ test. You're an over-educated midwit.
    , @botazefa
    You are ignorant in the ways of IQ testing.
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    @Anonymous
    Any test can be gamed through practice. Give kids regular IQ tests from an early age and they'll do better at them than kids who've never seen such tests before.

    This defies the point of IQ testing of course, which is to capture a candid snapshot of a person's cognitive ability without giving them the opportunity to prep themselves first.

    An effective IQ test is one the candidate doesn't know is an IQ test.

    Congratulations. You just failed the IQ test. You’re an over-educated midwit.

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  183. “Loxism” is the hatred of Whites by Jews…
    defining political & social force of our times,
    yet it goes completely unmentioned:

    — [@Anonymous

    Good points.
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  • Paradoxically, is the academia more egalitarian(ideologically at any rate) precisely because it is more elitist?

    In real life, it’s easy to spot racial, ethnic, and cultural differences. It’s plain to see that different groups behave, talk, and act differently not only in what they do but how they do it.

    So, why is the academia so blind to this?
    It could be because, traditionally at any rate, the elitism of academia in admission and conduct had a filtering and fostering effect. So, it drew in the smartest members from various groups. The smartest individuals of any group tend to be unrepresentative of the whole. Smart Irish don’t act like most Irish. Smart Poles don’t act like average Poles. Smartest blacks don’t act like most blacks.
    Also, because academic culture is cerebral, it requires teachers and students(esp graduate ones) to conform to standards of behavior most conducive to vigorous pursuit of knowledge.
    So, in aptitude and attitude, the result is an agreed-upon consensus of conduct and manners among academics regardless of race or ethnicity. Whether Irish, German, Chinese, black, Muslim, Anglo, Mexican, and etc, most academics have to be well-mannered and well-spoken. They can’t act like rednecks, Jihadis, or rappers. And such a social climate could foster a sense among academics that all people are the same under the skin, i.e. given the right opportunity, any person of any group could be a rational learned person like academics.

    However, the fact is the academic setting is highly artificial and sheltered from the real world. It’s like comparing a zoo or garden with nature and wilderness. Academia takes exceptional and unrepresentative people — the smarter and/or more intellectually curious ones — from all walks of life and fosters them to adhere to standards of conduct that suppress natural urges.

    But, as colleges become more ‘inclusive’ and diverse — esp with declining standards — , more of raw reality will spill into the academic setting. Students and even faculty — and hack administrators — will more closely reflect the crudities of the communities from which they’ve sprung.

    Paradoxically, the egalitarian ethos that led to more ‘inclusion’ and diversity on the campus will make it more self-evident that races and groups are indeed naturally different. The fiasco at Mizzou was a clear example of this. And the screaming blacks at Duke who took over the library.

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  • The thing is that affirmative action and forced diversity, while claiming equality as purpose, are in fact just parts of a much broader anti-White agenda.

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  • @Corvinus
    "You push your Magic Dirt theory but where do you live?"

    Ever since our nation's inception we have had a wide range of ethnic groups living together. They worked together to create a society. Other groups of people have joined in. Certainly, some have easily immersed into our culture, and others have taken a bit longer. Land, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness is a universal code hardwired into our human DNA. The experiment of America has been tested and will continue to be tested. Feel free to be all in or go back or do what is best for your own family. We normies don't care.

    "You push your Blank Slate theory, but again….where do you live?"

    Scientists and philosophers will continue to debate nature versus nurture, blank slate or race realism, biology or environment. Does anyone even have the TRUE answer?

    And where do I live? I live in a middle to upper middle class community with different races and cultures. We get along quite well. Just celebrated Halloween in our neighborhood. Even lil' Aasim was on his best behavior. He kept the Molotov cocktails at home this year.

    "I guess I know something you don’t; the trends of the last 50 years are not remotely permanent."

    That may be true, but then again there may be such a paradigm shift that even the historical trends you rely on have put on their head, considering we live in a world where widespread international commerce, rapidly changing technology, and innovative social media platforms all converge.

    "In fact, they form a historical outlier of such astonishing proportion that only the most ignorant people cannot see it."

    Now, it is quite possible that there will be this epic financial meltdown, with national economies collapsing and civil strife carving out a bloody swath across the landscape. From death, comes life. A reboot. And from the ashes will arise some sort of new world order, however it is decided by the winners.

    "Let’s resolve to revisit all this in a decade or two to see whose vision turns out to be closer to reality."

    Without a doubt. But remember that Generation Z will be the ultimate game changer here, with their tendency to lean as fiscal conservatives but as social liberals. They will set the tone and maybe even change the rules, perhaps maybe even more so than those damn Boomers, eh?

    "In the meantime, you continue to think I’m a bad person, and I’ll continue to think you’re a fool."

    You have it the other way around. I'm the bad person, specifically a "bad white", and you're the fool.

    “I guess I know something you don’t; the trends of the last 50 years are not remotely permanent.”

    That may be true, but then again there may be such a paradigm shift that even the historical trends you rely on have put on their head, considering we live in a world where widespread international commerce, rapidly changing technology, and innovative social media platforms all converge.

    New Era? That’s your position?

    (Chuckle.) You do a wonderful job illustrating my attribution of the gulf between us.

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    "New Era? That’s your position?"

    My position is that there may be a new era that will once again morph traditions, with new ways of thinking replacing old attitudes, or past ways being twerked and tweaked to fit the needs of our modern society. Consider the Industrial Revolution of the 1700's. Could people even comprehend in the beginning of the monstrous changes that loomed? Industrialists emerged as a powerful elite to counteract the old nobility and monarchial form of government. Socialists, utilitarians, and practical reformers called for reforms to protect workers, with a flurry of acts and regulations emerging. The point is that there was a paradigm shift in our attitudes about the uses and benefits of technology and the acquisition of wealth.

    We are seeing a similar trend with the advent of social media, 3D printing, and nanotechnology, along with the changing social attitudes regarding race and culture. There is that last ditch effort and hope from the confines of the Alt Right redoubt that white people will be "woke" through anger and hostility aka the Hulk and rip asunder by root and branch the globalist agenda imposed by elites. That situation may, or may not, occur. We shall see how the cards play out in the next decade.
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  • @Okechukwu

    An affluent background is not a necessarily educated background. Nor is a deprived background necessarily backwards.
     
    Very few people from affluent backgrounds end up poor. The question wasn't about education, but about outcomes. My assertion, which is ridiculously obvious, is that a stable, financially comfortable background is more predictive of success than IQ. You don't think there were geniuses picking cotton in Alabama? Of course there were. There are certain pernicious social conditions that no amount of genius is going to remedy. That's why we find that all the great European thinkers and scientists just happened to be of the wealthy landed gentry class. That's not a coincidence.

    the dumbass in your example is more likely to advance little or even fall from its tier, while the genius by virtue of being a genius should advance more,
     
    Nope. A lot of dumbasses run the world, run major corporations or are otherwise very successful. They are products of a legacy system that ensured their success. If George W. Bush was the son of an auto mechanic he might've ended up working at the Walmart stock room. I assure you, many people that are innately smarter than George W. Bush do work such jobs.

    as many Asian Americans have proven, rising far beyond what their ancestors in rice paddies dreamed of. All of that with much less aid than that given to other minorities.
     
    Asians take advantage of Affirmative Action, set-asides and protected group status more than most people realize. They do it quietly, even the ones from rich countries like Japan.

    Nope. A lot of dumbasses run the world, run major corporations or are otherwise very successful.

    Translation: “We wuz kangs, but whitey stole our mojo.”

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  • @Okechukwu

    IQ’s most certainly are not learned. IQ tests things that all bright people know. You can’t ‘learn’ the test anywhere.
     
    Then it would remain static for all eternity. The fact is, IQ scores can be improved, often dramatically.

    IQ scores are predictive of future socio-econonic status and relatively stable over life.
     
    Education is, not IQ. A stable, healthy environment is far more predictive. A genius stuck in an economically deprived, hardscrabble existence is much less likely to be successful than a dumbass from an affluent background.

    There are no 85 IQ physicists.
     
    That's because by virtue of their matriculation physicists are naturally immersed in the values IQ tests are designed to reward. But put them in an environment that requires native intelligence and quick thinking and you'll find they're not all as smart as their IQ scores would indicate.

    Then it would remain static for all eternity. The fact is, IQ scores can be improved, often dramatically.

    Agreed, only if the “IQ test” is something like the SAT where a Kaplan-like approach can be used to memorize likely questions and answers.

    You’re drifting off into Strawman arguments, however.

    However you wish to define it, general ability (the illusive “g”) is innate.

    If you wish to argue this is untrue, please show me where a child who displays cognitive disability (which is BY DEFINITION low intelligence) can suddenly become highly cognitively able. That’s like claiming that a child born with one leg can go on to become a world-class sprinter. (And don’t talk about prosthetics unless you can show me a parallel development in artificial brain enhancement.)

    Very few people from affluent backgrounds end up poor. The question wasn’t about education, but about outcomes.

    Does it occur to you that twin studies have been conducted that prove quite conclusively that the heritability of intelligence (and personality traits like conscientiousness) explain this observation?

    No, I know the answer.

    I have an idea: Let’s you go to where your ideas dominate and the rest of us go to where our ideas dominate and in a few generations figure out who’s doing better. Never mind, we could already compare Sub-Saharan Africa to Indochina to East Asia to NW Europe.

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    "However you wish to define it, general ability (the illusive “g”) is innate."

    The relationship between genetic causation and he innate/acquired distinction is far more complex.

    "If you wish to argue this is untrue, please show me where a child who displays cognitive disability (which is BY DEFINITION low intelligence) can suddenly become highly cognitively able."

    Cognitive abilities can be trained and improved. Intelligence is a score on a test that stays relatively static in adulthood. Cognitive processes dealing with novelty (fluid intelligence) are just as important as acquired knowledge (crystallized intelligence). Basically, cognitive abilities and IQ are related and intertwined, but not the same thing.

    "That’s like claiming that a child born with one leg can go on to become a world-class sprinter. (And don’t talk about prosthetics unless you can show me a parallel development in artificial brain enhancement.)"

    https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/technology/these-brain-boosting-devices-could-give-us-intelligence-superpowers-n755006
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  • gustafus says:
    @Colleen Pater
    First of all your numbers are way off and you leave all sorts of things out. Disperate impact is now law and it means actual discrimination is immaterial all that matters is quotas yes quota forget that college suit the way this actually works is some jew lawyer approaches some minorities and offers to sue for them to get paid. The lawyer only needs to prove that the percentage of minorities employed in said deep pocket institution (union, school, municipality, corporation, or industry) is less than the percentage found in the last census. That alone wins the case. The "plaintiffs" who can even be minorities that claim they were too discouraged to even apply because they knewd it was a a racist fix. Will get paid back wages from the time they would have applied if not too discouraged etc. The judge also fines the institution and appoints a special master who is too be paid by institution for his services including offices staff etc its a nice gig, and they are also jews usually a lawyer often the same lawyer and social workers etc. Now they set about making sure this never ends, do they go to say the military to find qualified minorities, maybe churches? nah they go to prisons and welfare to make sure the applicants fail out, work less hours are fired etc,

    Now come next census guess what more minorities you're now in contempt, more back wages and fines and extend the special masters gig. Oh and the minorities (immigration) that made it, guess what they worked less hours than the whites because you guessed it racism. not because they dont show up for work, or on time, or get fired for fighting and stealing, or because they prefer collecting unemployment to full time work, or they make deals to do their overtime off the books. Nah couldnt be any of those reasons its because racism so they too get 120k checks tax free.

    And its not 1 in 6 its at least 1 of 2 because hispanics are minorities for some goddamn bs reason some wetback is entitled to a job before an american white. And it doesn't end there at all these conditions destroy these industries. you simply can not fathom just how stupid and incompetent and dysfunctional these minorities are. Managing for almost 40 years I can say it takes about 4 times more man hours to do the same job half as well, you simply can not do the jobs properly at all anymore.Oh and you cant say why you cant.So a lot of things happen things get done wrong, idiot kits are developed and a lot of the work gets pushed out to employers too small to have deep enough pockets for jew lawyers or to institutions that have a monopoly on say government work and can simply raise prices enough minorities can basically be paid to stay out of the way.Of course part of this is offshoring work and importing products from places like asia that don't have this problem.Also prices and wages decline or stagnate for decades because the work is no longer deserving of skilled wages, while whites might not just be as skilled as their fathers, they might also be taking up the minority slack, but the average is still shoddy. So its not just 1 of 2 whites affected its all whites. Until recently white collar whites avoided most of this or had ways of keeping it isolated,and so stupidly assumed you needn't be intelligent to build a skyscraper, or automobile, or police, or administer the government, or breed the next generation of 102 average IQ whites including half the high cognition whites, or all the other things elites felt were beneath thinking about while yucking it up with the clever jews who engineered all this because they needed a safe space and were sure whites were all secret nazis that had to be neutralized.

    Oh and lets not forget the white is also squeezed from above by the more intelligent jew and east asian. And please spare the conservative speech about meritocracy and the enlightenment , its the current year the enlightenments done stick a fork in it. White nations should be administered for the benefit of white citizens, we stupidly thought we could trust a few jews, boy were we wrong no sooner did we allow them in among us than they ran the table on us while shaming us to keep our hands tied behind our backs like good cucks.


    But even all that isn't the tenth of it, the true cost of diversity spent in the last 50 years alone could have moved mars into near earth orbit and terraformed it. The cost is staggering to staggering to even face. what is the cost of our best and brightest not build rockets but being apologists for minorities? what is the cost of not being able to culturally police our own because succeeded makes the other look even worse? What is the cost of our crime, the police forces, the courts prisons paroles the insurance ? what is the cost of having our government administered by apes? what is the cost of the fraud the lawsuits the welfare the tax cheating, the anchor babies. what is the cost of the several generations of
    productive white children not born because whites can no longer afford the economic and physical security the require for family formation? What is the cost of divershitty to our education and our medical systems? Whats the cost of having no culture? whats the cost of not simply more debt than but the cost a 1.2 quadrillion in credit default swaps to keep that debt in the air. whats the cost of going from having the finest military in the world to a bunch of apes crashing battleships and fags and tranny soldiers? I could go on for volumes about what the jew ploy of creating a forest of diversity to hide in is costing, in the end the answer is its existential.

    The fact that jews have been meeting smart rubes from the heartland and they get off the bus in our cities and universities and radicalizing them at least since 1910 when john reed was recruited by walter lippmann to the harvard socialist club.does not change the fact jews engineered this entire thing and it can now only be undone in a blood civil war and mass deportations. At which point jews will no doubt mutter see we knew they were secret nazis all along.

    …”we stupidly thought we could trust a few jews, boy were we wrong no sooner did we allow them in among us than they ran the table on us while shaming us to keep our hands tied behind our backs like good cucks.”

    Culture of Critique 101

    The tables are turning on Jews as 1.7 billion Muslims want to finish the job Hitler nibbled at. That’s not going to change anytime soon….

    The left has been the breeding ground for the Jewish economic strategy of advancing the interests of Non Whites. Now the left is advancing the interests of Muslims….. to thwart the efforts of Jews.

    I”m not sure where high IQ Asians play into this unfolding drama – but as I’ve said on this board more than a few times…

    The economic music is slowing and there aren’t 7 billion chairs. Jews have overplayed their hand, and although secular Jews on the left are the architects of this devilry – American and European whites may team up with Sephardic Conservative Jews to beat back a strain of anti semitism that won’t be so easy to defeat. .

    The Nazi’s were pikers …. Islam is the real deal. The Germans folded and have been beaten into contrition for 75 years …. that ain’t gonna happen with the Muzzies. And now we see modern day Germans trying to import a permanent class of Muslim peasantry…. using the Jewish playbook…

    and it remains to be seen which strategy will prevail. There is a part of me that loves watching European Jews get their comeuppance as they begin fleeing again to Israel.

    But I suspect the Mossad will foment enough “incidents” to bring Brussels and Berlin around.

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  • botazefa says:
    @Anonymous
    Any test can be gamed through practice. Give kids regular IQ tests from an early age and they'll do better at them than kids who've never seen such tests before.

    This defies the point of IQ testing of course, which is to capture a candid snapshot of a person's cognitive ability without giving them the opportunity to prep themselves first.

    An effective IQ test is one the candidate doesn't know is an IQ test.

    You are ignorant in the ways of IQ testing.

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  • gustafus says:
    @peterAUS

    before that happens, there is usually some deep and simmering resentments in the relationship.

    Women as you know never come out and say what they’re angry about. It’s always oblique and masked with talk of barely related issues or subjects.

    If she’s unhappy about something, then she’s not going to tell you what it is, she’s just going to make you suffer. And if you’re in a relationship, then she knows what buttons to push.

    And then you’re right, if it gets physical, then you lose.
     

    Agree.

    The last sentence, though.............depends.......

    A .....friend of mine......has been in a marriage for a long time. Old school. A man capable of extreme violence when younger; willing to do the same in instant even now as a bit aged, but, reflexes/strength/stamina aren't there anymore of course.
    The point is, he's never been "physical" with his wife although they've gone through some challenges in their marriage. Never.
    But....at the same time....the wife knew/know that if it ever gets violent it will be........bad.
    Really bad.
    So, that, in some, almost perverse sense actually, has kept it from ever getting physical.
    Like M.A.D. almost.


    yes, just like divorce. It’s a sword of Damocles hanging over all Western men’s heads, unless you have a solid relationship.
     
    Agree.
    Can see it all over the place.
    Just a couple of months ago my neighbors, white, Anglos, just'd got a beautiful little boy a year before, divorced. We didn't see it coming at all. Perfect youngish couple. Bang.My wife got some hints from the wife which I didn't get.
    Which brings us to the rest of your post.

    While I appreciate the


    anyways, check it out, and let me know what you think..
     
    and read a couple of quite good articles, IMHO, I am NOT a guy who feels he is an expert in that topic.
    I am just not.

    Honestly, I do not get modern women. Or men for that matter. I am also...as that friend of mine I mentioned above...an old school fellow. A relic from different....era.....I think. A dinosaur, by all modern social norms really.
    My wife is the old school too and we've been through some hard times. Together.

    I mean, when I read (and I do) all this ...modern...man/woman...thing....I just don't care really.

    A woman and a man (in that order in my book) have managed The Game for tens of thousands of years. When I say in my book, a woman is more important than a man. A man dies for his woman if necessary. And she shall respect that and act/behave/do accordingly.
    Worked for a long time well.

    And now, with all this...modern.....intellectual..clap/trap...nothing apparently works anymore.
    I really crack up when read all this "sensitive this, understanding that, touchy-feely,, sharing, blah...blah..." thing.
    Now, I do know that my approach doesn't work with modern women.
    So, the modern men, young in particular, well...have a problem.
    How to solve it...I do not know.

    I just have a....feeling...that something is missing in communication.
    Not words....communication.

    Say, an example (old school that is, hence, obsolete):
    A man gets back from "the job". He's dirty, spent, haunted. She doesn't ask anything. He cleans up while she makes a dinner. No....talk....He eats in silence...alone....she's busy around the house. He goes to sleep. Before that maybe some "action" (depends how spent he is). She is careful around him.
    In the morning things start getting back to sort of normal. She starts talking a bit about how is he, does he need this/that...stuff like that. He thaws a bit and the normal life starts slowly getting back.
    She never asks about "the job".
    He never talks about 'the job".
    Etc.

    There is no "counseling", "sharing" about his traumatic experiences.
    A man deals with that by himself and she keeps out of way, carefully keeping an eye on him.
    She takes care of kids, home...in essence keeps the home and family running. Now, it all does run on his income and earnings and his position in society.
    But, he does not direct his ....problems...on the wife and Hell no on the kids. Ever.
    He does a man's job, she does a woman's job.
    Division of labor and responsibility. Mutual support. Mutual respect.
    The same game since the caveman.

    Now...imagine that today.
    Can't, of course.

    In my time it was inconceivable not to open a door for a woman carrying something.
    Today, when I do it by reflex they give me funny looks. Sometimes even a lip. Rarely thank you or smile.

    In my time if a woman screams in an dark street a man shall go there and risk a heavy street fight to protect that woman.
    Now....not quite.

    A couple of months ago I was waiting for the "green" and saw:
    A 50 kg blonde and pretty youngish woman struggling to change a tire on a big four wheel car. Around 20 meters from her, in plain sight, two youngish men were chatting.
    Modern world...equal sexes......whatever.

    Now, after all this, there IS a book I found sort of enlightening at this age.
    "Men are from Mars and women are from Venus".

    So, I guess my generation was lucky.
    We didn't have "equality of sexes" but we have had happy marriages.

    This generation, well....they have this thing I just don't get.
    I guess one could call that thing.....a CONFUSION.
    Brain confusing genital area...........for the lack of better expression.
    I also feel some...laziness....unwillingness to share hardship. A wish to be happy first and foremost.
    I my time it was not about being happy but about doing what we felt was right. If it took hardship and sacrifice so what, that's what a man/woman (in that order) is supposed to do.
    In essence, earning life.

    Things change............

    Today it's all about "one has to be happy".
    Good luck with that.

    And, really, I have no practical advice whatsoever.
    Haha..even if I had they'd say "that was before, not good anymore. OLD".

    Good.

    When all men – black, red, yellow or white – discover what a clitoris is – life will get better.

    Women are so used to being a repository, rather than a partner – they don’t confess their needs to their partners, and often don’t even complain to other women.

    ITS THE CLITORIS DUMMIES….. only then will you get a leg up on Rachel Maddow and the man haters.

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  • Corvinus says:
    @dc.sunsets

    "I guess I know something you don’t; the trends of the last 50 years are not remotely permanent."

    That may be true, but then again there may be such a paradigm shift that even the historical trends you rely on have put on their head, considering we live in a world where widespread international commerce, rapidly changing technology, and innovative social media platforms all converge.
     
    New Era? That's your position?

    (Chuckle.) You do a wonderful job illustrating my attribution of the gulf between us.

    “New Era? That’s your position?”

    My position is that there may be a new era that will once again morph traditions, with new ways of thinking replacing old attitudes, or past ways being twerked and tweaked to fit the needs of our modern society. Consider the Industrial Revolution of the 1700′s. Could people even comprehend in the beginning of the monstrous changes that loomed? Industrialists emerged as a powerful elite to counteract the old nobility and monarchial form of government. Socialists, utilitarians, and practical reformers called for reforms to protect workers, with a flurry of acts and regulations emerging. The point is that there was a paradigm shift in our attitudes about the uses and benefits of technology and the acquisition of wealth.

    We are seeing a similar trend with the advent of social media, 3D printing, and nanotechnology, along with the changing social attitudes regarding race and culture. There is that last ditch effort and hope from the confines of the Alt Right redoubt that white people will be “woke” through anger and hostility aka the Hulk and rip asunder by root and branch the globalist agenda imposed by elites. That situation may, or may not, occur. We shall see how the cards play out in the next decade.

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  • Corvinus says:
    @dc.sunsets

    Then it would remain static for all eternity. The fact is, IQ scores can be improved, often dramatically.
     
    Agreed, only if the "IQ test" is something like the SAT where a Kaplan-like approach can be used to memorize likely questions and answers.

    You're drifting off into Strawman arguments, however.

    However you wish to define it, general ability (the illusive "g") is innate.

    If you wish to argue this is untrue, please show me where a child who displays cognitive disability (which is BY DEFINITION low intelligence) can suddenly become highly cognitively able. That's like claiming that a child born with one leg can go on to become a world-class sprinter. (And don't talk about prosthetics unless you can show me a parallel development in artificial brain enhancement.)


    Very few people from affluent backgrounds end up poor. The question wasn’t about education, but about outcomes.
     
    Does it occur to you that twin studies have been conducted that prove quite conclusively that the heritability of intelligence (and personality traits like conscientiousness) explain this observation?

    No, I know the answer.

    I have an idea: Let's you go to where your ideas dominate and the rest of us go to where our ideas dominate and in a few generations figure out who's doing better. Never mind, we could already compare Sub-Saharan Africa to Indochina to East Asia to NW Europe.

    “However you wish to define it, general ability (the illusive “g”) is innate.”

    The relationship between genetic causation and he innate/acquired distinction is far more complex.

    “If you wish to argue this is untrue, please show me where a child who displays cognitive disability (which is BY DEFINITION low intelligence) can suddenly become highly cognitively able.”

    Cognitive abilities can be trained and improved. Intelligence is a score on a test that stays relatively static in adulthood. Cognitive processes dealing with novelty (fluid intelligence) are just as important as acquired knowledge (crystallized intelligence). Basically, cognitive abilities and IQ are related and intertwined, but not the same thing.

    “That’s like claiming that a child born with one leg can go on to become a world-class sprinter. (And don’t talk about prosthetics unless you can show me a parallel development in artificial brain enhancement.)”

    https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/technology/these-brain-boosting-devices-could-give-us-intelligence-superpowers-n755006

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  • @LauraMR
    The comical element in comments such as yours is that you naively confess with angry shouts that you have no comprehension of the educational system.

    Here is a shocker for you. Universities are daycare centers. Graduating at the top of a class is next to trivial.

    Only those that have never been to college (or are on the impolite side of the curve) fail to appreciate this.

    Here is a shocker for you. Universities are daycare centers. Graduating at the top of a class is next to trivial.

    Really? Explain that to my middle kid, who graduated with a 4.0 in an engineering discipline.

    Think you could get a single answer correct on any exam he took in “fluid dynamics?”

    Do you think you could do a day of his job today, even if you job-shadowed him for a YEAR?

    Your comment illustrates a level of ignorance so profound that I can only conclude you have literally zero clue from where a #2 pencil comes, much less how a kW of electricity is generated and reaches your home. You and those like you, if you’re ever able to fully come into control of human society, will take the human race back to prehistory.

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    Here is the rub.

    I'm going to respond like you did and claim that you are a liar because it is inconceivable to achieve good grades.

    See?

    The reality is that, if it is true that your kid has done well, it is partly because the educational system is a sham and, if you had an ounce of common sense, you would know there is nothing to congratulate yourself about. The fact is that the competition is just as bad as the system.

    , @RadicalCenter
    You should be proud of your child. But he is, sadly, utterly Unrepresentative of U.S. college students today.

    What tiny percentage of college students major in some useful, meaningfully testable, marketable "hard science" field like engineering? Compare that to the millions who major in "liberal arts" nonsense that ranges from the irrational and useless to the downright sick, hateful, and harmful.

    How demanding is the work that most college students do to get their degrees? NOTHING remotely comparable to what your son has achieved. Parroting the right buzzwords and jargon to some otherwise-unemployable "professor" is not hard work for most kids -- as shown by the amount of time many of them seem to have for partying and worshipping college athletes.
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  • Rurik says:
    @peterAUS

    before that happens, there is usually some deep and simmering resentments in the relationship.

    Women as you know never come out and say what they’re angry about. It’s always oblique and masked with talk of barely related issues or subjects.

    If she’s unhappy about something, then she’s not going to tell you what it is, she’s just going to make you suffer. And if you’re in a relationship, then she knows what buttons to push.

    And then you’re right, if it gets physical, then you lose.
     

    Agree.

    The last sentence, though.............depends.......

    A .....friend of mine......has been in a marriage for a long time. Old school. A man capable of extreme violence when younger; willing to do the same in instant even now as a bit aged, but, reflexes/strength/stamina aren't there anymore of course.
    The point is, he's never been "physical" with his wife although they've gone through some challenges in their marriage. Never.
    But....at the same time....the wife knew/know that if it ever gets violent it will be........bad.
    Really bad.
    So, that, in some, almost perverse sense actually, has kept it from ever getting physical.
    Like M.A.D. almost.


    yes, just like divorce. It’s a sword of Damocles hanging over all Western men’s heads, unless you have a solid relationship.
     
    Agree.
    Can see it all over the place.
    Just a couple of months ago my neighbors, white, Anglos, just'd got a beautiful little boy a year before, divorced. We didn't see it coming at all. Perfect youngish couple. Bang.My wife got some hints from the wife which I didn't get.
    Which brings us to the rest of your post.

    While I appreciate the


    anyways, check it out, and let me know what you think..
     
    and read a couple of quite good articles, IMHO, I am NOT a guy who feels he is an expert in that topic.
    I am just not.

    Honestly, I do not get modern women. Or men for that matter. I am also...as that friend of mine I mentioned above...an old school fellow. A relic from different....era.....I think. A dinosaur, by all modern social norms really.
    My wife is the old school too and we've been through some hard times. Together.

    I mean, when I read (and I do) all this ...modern...man/woman...thing....I just don't care really.

    A woman and a man (in that order in my book) have managed The Game for tens of thousands of years. When I say in my book, a woman is more important than a man. A man dies for his woman if necessary. And she shall respect that and act/behave/do accordingly.
    Worked for a long time well.

    And now, with all this...modern.....intellectual..clap/trap...nothing apparently works anymore.
    I really crack up when read all this "sensitive this, understanding that, touchy-feely,, sharing, blah...blah..." thing.
    Now, I do know that my approach doesn't work with modern women.
    So, the modern men, young in particular, well...have a problem.
    How to solve it...I do not know.

    I just have a....feeling...that something is missing in communication.
    Not words....communication.

    Say, an example (old school that is, hence, obsolete):
    A man gets back from "the job". He's dirty, spent, haunted. She doesn't ask anything. He cleans up while she makes a dinner. No....talk....He eats in silence...alone....she's busy around the house. He goes to sleep. Before that maybe some "action" (depends how spent he is). She is careful around him.
    In the morning things start getting back to sort of normal. She starts talking a bit about how is he, does he need this/that...stuff like that. He thaws a bit and the normal life starts slowly getting back.
    She never asks about "the job".
    He never talks about 'the job".
    Etc.

    There is no "counseling", "sharing" about his traumatic experiences.
    A man deals with that by himself and she keeps out of way, carefully keeping an eye on him.
    She takes care of kids, home...in essence keeps the home and family running. Now, it all does run on his income and earnings and his position in society.
    But, he does not direct his ....problems...on the wife and Hell no on the kids. Ever.
    He does a man's job, she does a woman's job.
    Division of labor and responsibility. Mutual support. Mutual respect.
    The same game since the caveman.

    Now...imagine that today.
    Can't, of course.

    In my time it was inconceivable not to open a door for a woman carrying something.
    Today, when I do it by reflex they give me funny looks. Sometimes even a lip. Rarely thank you or smile.

    In my time if a woman screams in an dark street a man shall go there and risk a heavy street fight to protect that woman.
    Now....not quite.

    A couple of months ago I was waiting for the "green" and saw:
    A 50 kg blonde and pretty youngish woman struggling to change a tire on a big four wheel car. Around 20 meters from her, in plain sight, two youngish men were chatting.
    Modern world...equal sexes......whatever.

    Now, after all this, there IS a book I found sort of enlightening at this age.
    "Men are from Mars and women are from Venus".

    So, I guess my generation was lucky.
    We didn't have "equality of sexes" but we have had happy marriages.

    This generation, well....they have this thing I just don't get.
    I guess one could call that thing.....a CONFUSION.
    Brain confusing genital area...........for the lack of better expression.
    I also feel some...laziness....unwillingness to share hardship. A wish to be happy first and foremost.
    I my time it was not about being happy but about doing what we felt was right. If it took hardship and sacrifice so what, that's what a man/woman (in that order) is supposed to do.
    In essence, earning life.

    Things change............

    Today it's all about "one has to be happy".
    Good luck with that.

    And, really, I have no practical advice whatsoever.
    Haha..even if I had they'd say "that was before, not good anymore. OLD".

    Good.

    an expert in that topic.

    well, that’s what they’re there to assist with

    men and women are vastly different, (obviously) and we’re motivated by fundamental principles that go back to our evolutionary past. By understanding those hard-wired principles, and how they manifest in modern times, is helpful in navigating the contemporary relationship mine field.

    I just have a….feeling…that something is missing in communication.
    Not words….communication.

    99% of the most important communication is non-verbal. If you project confidence, then she’ll likely respond to that more than a thousand sonnets or odes to her ethereal beauty.

    you’re right that modern American women have been psychologically poisoned with the mantras of equalism and hostility to (especially white) men. But with a proper perspective, and an aloof attitude, women long to feel that inner femininity (the opposite of feminism) that runs deep in their blood and in their loins. They despise the ‘men’ who follow the fashions like homosexual metro-sexuals. It is visceral, and that’s why you always heard of girls liking the ‘bad boy’.

    They say they want a nice man who will do the dishes and change the diapers, but in their heart of hearts, (the hamster ; ) they revile such men as weak. There is nothing on this planet that earns the contempt and even hatred of a woman than a weak and appeasing ‘man’.

    just my two centavos

    also I noticed that gustafus chimed in that: “ITS THE CLITORIS DUMMIES”

    check out commandment number XIV

    https://heartiste.wordpress.com/the-sixteen-commandments-of-poon/

    (perhaps the most important commandment of all ; )

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    Good post.

    Well, I guess we could "chat" about the topic for quite some time here.

    men and women are vastly different, (obviously) and we’re motivated by fundamental principles that go back to our evolutionary past. By understanding those hard-wired principles, and how they manifest in modern times, is helpful in navigating the contemporary relationship mine field.
     
    Of course.

    But, and there is always that "but", things today are a bit more complicated.
    I am not so sure I'd be able to convey my train of thought here but I'll try:
    Environment changed for worse. A man isn't capable, on average, anymore to provide for a family. A woman has to chime in if they are to provide a decent life for themselves and, the most important, for the kids.
    As somebody else said before here, that environment is more important for kids' future than their talents and intelligence.
    And, because of that, a man has to change diapers and do dishes, do house cleaning and such.
    I...guess....that here a verbal communication is the key: we both do the job/paid employment. Now....what traditional male/female tasks we do/share?
    In a minuscule practical example: you make a dinner, I'll do the dishes.I"ll do the lawn moving, you do the ironing. Etc.
    Then, there is a strong social pressure on a woman to be....equal. It takes a smart and strong woman to manage that. The same as managing all this brainwashing. The same applies to a man.
    I somehow suspect if that brainwashing was reversed, in 6 months we'd have reversed attitudes.

    A recent example, maybe:
    We do hiking a lot. Nothing hard, just day trips.I play a pointman/bodyguard, she plays VIP. I carry most of the gear, she carries her own survival essentials. When walk, I am on point but she manages pace/breaks. I point to tricky spots and help her around/over them. Sometimes even carry her a bit. When we have a lunch break she organizes that food around,I check the gear. When we meet other hikers she's in charge of friendly chat.
    A couple of weeks ago we came across a group of youngsters, white, mid/late twenties. Middle class bunch. Two couples and three singles, two males and a female.
    My wife got into friendly chat and I got to play a "tail end Charlie".
    Watching the group was amusing.
    The two couples were walking similar to our walk (men helping women).
    Now, the funny part. The single female, a good looking blonde, was struggling on the trail, slipping a lot and falling a couple of times. Those two single males (not gay I am positive) were not paying any attention to that. Now, the worst part. After she really fell over bad and had hard time getting up I jogged to help her. She refused and with some time and effort got up and kept struggling. If a soldier I'd say "good grit", but, FFS, this ain't a selection march, it's socializing stroll.
    Again, I remember when young and in similar situation, we, men were expected to pair up with girls and help them, and they expected that from us.
    Not anymore apparently.

    And, well, there is another element today.
    A man can lose his job. Actually I guess that the trend, related to the article, is for white males to keep losing their jobs. So, a woman has to pick up the slack. Keeping her in traditional role just doesn't make sense anymore. So, a man has to take over "domestic" duties.

    But, those duties or not, doesn't matter, IMHO.
    Not a bit.

    If the core relationship is O.K. does he do cooking, cleaning, dishes, ironing and she is a breadwinner does not matter.

    And, that brings us to

    women long to feel that inner femininity (the opposite of feminism) that runs deep in their blood and in their loins. They despise the ‘men’ who follow the fashions like homosexual metro-sexuals. It is visceral, and that’s why you always heard of girls liking the ‘bad boy’.

    They say they want a nice man who will do the dishes and change the diapers, but in their heart of hearts, (the hamster ; ) they revile such men as weak. There is nothing on this planet that earns the contempt and even hatred of a woman than a weak and appeasing ‘man’.

     

    That is the key, I think.
    Speaking of the 'bad boy' read recently an interesting post/analysis about what literature/movie character type is the most popular with women. And why. An interesting article.

    I, personally, feel that youngsters, men, could benefit somehow if they participate in combat sports.
    Could help in preserving, even developing, that confident attitude.
    Now, the catch is, of course, it's hard and often painful.

    As for that "clitoris" thing,.....could be.
    Could also be a huge oversimplification.
    Free will, brother.

    Still, the topic is huge and we can't here really, seriously, talk about it.
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  • Okechukwu says:
    @joef

    Both are wrong. But people of your ilk have this tendency to grandstand about “black crime” while pretending that whites are somehow genetically incapable of committing the kind of horrors we see them commit daily.
     
    Again you are guilty of making inaccurate assumptions... just as speaking of afro american atrocities, in defensive terms, is not the same as advocating the offensive harming of afros... the pointing out of afro violence, is not because other races are incapable of it, but because afros commit so much more of it!

    Your side believes any criticism of afros in a presumption of white guilt/racism... yet you use the same type of generalizations against anyone who disagrees with your racial ideas (in other words: generalizing about White afro critics is okay, but generalizing about afro antisocial behavior is not allowed). If afros behave in a civilized manner, then you wouldn't hear a peep from most of us (and many of us know someone who personally suffered from afro criminal activity etc, so we choose not to ignore this just because you disapprove of it). Surrounded by insular liberal confirmation bias, I do not expect you to agree with us, but that does not mean that we must ignore our own contrary empirical life experience.

    Again you are guilty of making inaccurate assumptions… just as speaking of afro american atrocities, in defensive terms, is not the same as advocating the offensive harming of afros…

    Funny that you are fixated on “Afro American atrocities” within a day or two of another white man committing yet another gross atrocity. That goes to my point that you people don’t care a whit about “black crime,” most of which are conjured up in your minds. You just find it a convenient vehicle through which to express your irrational hatred. News accounts are dripping with atrocities committed by whites daily. But you don’t care because you don’t actually care about crime or atrocities.

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    Every year, in accumulated daily aggregate, afros have killed more American residents then all those terrorist actions put together ... and have been doing so for the last half century... and your side feels no sympathy for all those victims of afro violence. To you, they are merely expendable in order to promote politically correct propaganda (to a leftist, those victims are an inconvenient truth, with a demand that they should keep quiet, be willing victims, and go away).

    It is interesting, you call any criticism of observed/recorded afro antisocial behavior generalizations, yet your side are willing to generalize with: that all afros are subject to racism by whites, and all white critics of afros are racist, and all whites are beneficiaries of white privilege (this is mostly projection from ignorant limo libs, who where raised in suburbia, and never had to deal directly with the problem). It is not generalizations that your side does not permit, only generalization that you disapprove of.

    The leftist side of the argument are so callous towards crime victims, that you would not even allow their stories to be acknowledged, in order to avoid any criticism of afros. And for those who refuse to be a willing victim to afro violence, they are considered racist. When it comes down to it, your white guilt does not supersede our right to protect ourselves from afro initiated aggression. If afros want to be accepted then they should stop their unprovoked hostility against non afros... if not, most of us will not deny a negative reality that effects us directly (no matter how much leftist insist on it).

    , @dcite
    Many of the "gross atrocities" are hoaxes, or staged. Even so, you're right. It's mostly whites who are contriving and staging. Take a look at Ole Dammegard's research.
    But real crime is being committed, and by and large, it's not white on black. Very rare. Black on white. Very common. Every white person living in a heavily black area has experienced it personally or vicariously.
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  • peterAUS says:
    @Rurik

    an expert in that topic.
     
    well, that's what they're there to assist with

    men and women are vastly different, (obviously) and we're motivated by fundamental principles that go back to our evolutionary past. By understanding those hard-wired principles, and how they manifest in modern times, is helpful in navigating the contemporary relationship mine field.

    I just have a….feeling…that something is missing in communication.
    Not words….communication.
     
    99% of the most important communication is non-verbal. If you project confidence, then she'll likely respond to that more than a thousand sonnets or odes to her ethereal beauty.

    you're right that modern American women have been psychologically poisoned with the mantras of equalism and hostility to (especially white) men. But with a proper perspective, and an aloof attitude, women long to feel that inner femininity (the opposite of feminism) that runs deep in their blood and in their loins. They despise the 'men' who follow the fashions like homosexual metro-sexuals. It is visceral, and that's why you always heard of girls liking the 'bad boy'.

    They say they want a nice man who will do the dishes and change the diapers, but in their heart of hearts, (the hamster ; ) they revile such men as weak. There is nothing on this planet that earns the contempt and even hatred of a woman than a weak and appeasing 'man'.

    just my two centavos

    also I noticed that gustafus chimed in that: "ITS THE CLITORIS DUMMIES"

    check out commandment number XIV

    https://heartiste.wordpress.com/the-sixteen-commandments-of-poon/

    (perhaps the most important commandment of all ; )

    Good post.

    Well, I guess we could “chat” about the topic for quite some time here.

    men and women are vastly different, (obviously) and we’re motivated by fundamental principles that go back to our evolutionary past. By understanding those hard-wired principles, and how they manifest in modern times, is helpful in navigating the contemporary relationship mine field.

    Of course.

    But, and there is always that “but”, things today are a bit more complicated.
    I am not so sure I’d be able to convey my train of thought here but I’ll try:
    Environment changed for worse. A man isn’t capable, on average, anymore to provide for a family. A woman has to chime in if they are to provide a decent life for themselves and, the most important, for the kids.
    As somebody else said before here, that environment is more important for kids’ future than their talents and intelligence.
    And, because of that, a man has to change diapers and do dishes, do house cleaning and such.
    I…guess….that here a verbal communication is the key: we both do the job/paid employment. Now….what traditional male/female tasks we do/share?
    In a minuscule practical example: you make a dinner, I’ll do the dishes.I”ll do the lawn moving, you do the ironing. Etc.
    Then, there is a strong social pressure on a woman to be….equal. It takes a smart and strong woman to manage that. The same as managing all this brainwashing. The same applies to a man.
    I somehow suspect if that brainwashing was reversed, in 6 months we’d have reversed attitudes.

    A recent example, maybe:
    We do hiking a lot. Nothing hard, just day trips.I play a pointman/bodyguard, she plays VIP. I carry most of the gear, she carries her own survival essentials. When walk, I am on point but she manages pace/breaks. I point to tricky spots and help her around/over them. Sometimes even carry her a bit. When we have a lunch break she organizes that food around,I check the gear. When we meet other hikers she’s in charge of friendly chat.
    A couple of weeks ago we came across a group of youngsters, white, mid/late twenties. Middle class bunch. Two couples and three singles, two males and a female.
    My wife got into friendly chat and I got to play a “tail end Charlie”.
    Watching the group was amusing.
    The two couples were walking similar to our walk (men helping women).
    Now, the funny part. The single female, a good looking blonde, was struggling on the trail, slipping a lot and falling a couple of times. Those two single males (not gay I am positive) were not paying any attention to that. Now, the worst part. After she really fell over bad and had hard time getting up I jogged to help her. She refused and with some time and effort got up and kept struggling. If a soldier I’d say “good grit”, but, FFS, this ain’t a selection march, it’s socializing stroll.
    Again, I remember when young and in similar situation, we, men were expected to pair up with girls and help them, and they expected that from us.
    Not anymore apparently.

    And, well, there is another element today.
    A man can lose his job. Actually I guess that the trend, related to the article, is for white males to keep losing their jobs. So, a woman has to pick up the slack. Keeping her in traditional role just doesn’t make sense anymore. So, a man has to take over “domestic” duties.

    But, those duties or not, doesn’t matter, IMHO.
    Not a bit.

    If the core relationship is O.K. does he do cooking, cleaning, dishes, ironing and she is a breadwinner does not matter.

    And, that brings us to

    women long to feel that inner femininity (the opposite of feminism) that runs deep in their blood and in their loins. They despise the ‘men’ who follow the fashions like homosexual metro-sexuals. It is visceral, and that’s why you always heard of girls liking the ‘bad boy’.

    They say they want a nice man who will do the dishes and change the diapers, but in their heart of hearts, (the hamster ; ) they revile such men as weak. There is nothing on this planet that earns the contempt and even hatred of a woman than a weak and appeasing ‘man’.

    That is the key, I think.
    Speaking of the ‘bad boy’ read recently an interesting post/analysis about what literature/movie character type is the most popular with women. And why. An interesting article.

    I, personally, feel that youngsters, men, could benefit somehow if they participate in combat sports.
    Could help in preserving, even developing, that confident attitude.
    Now, the catch is, of course, it’s hard and often painful.

    As for that “clitoris” thing,…..could be.
    Could also be a huge oversimplification.
    Free will, brother.

    Still, the topic is huge and we can’t here really, seriously, talk about it.

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    "As somebody else said before here, that environment is more important for kids’ future than their talents and intelligence."

    That's debatable. Some of the World's most fertile soils get enriched daily with corpses of starved, clueless Africans.

    "If the core relationship is O.K. does he do cooking, cleaning, dishes, ironing and she is a breadwinner does not matter."

    That relationship will almost certainly become less OK in time. Both parties will start feeling that the man is underperforming.

    http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/would-you-date-an-unemployed-man-75-percent-of-women-would-not

    Of the 925 single women surveyed, 75 percent said they’d have a problem with dating someone without a job. Only 4 percent of respondents asked whether they would go out with an unemployed man answered “of course.”
     

    On the other hand, the prospect of dating an unemployed woman was not a problem for nearly two-thirds of men. In fact, 19 percent of men said they had no reservations and 46 percent of men said they were positive they would date an unemployed woman.
     
    , @Rurik

    Still, the topic is huge and we can’t here really, seriously, talk about it.
     
    agree

    thanks for the discourse nonetheless

    cheers
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  • LauraMR says:
    @dc.sunsets

    Here is a shocker for you. Universities are daycare centers. Graduating at the top of a class is next to trivial.
     
    Really? Explain that to my middle kid, who graduated with a 4.0 in an engineering discipline.

    Think you could get a single answer correct on any exam he took in "fluid dynamics?"

    Do you think you could do a day of his job today, even if you job-shadowed him for a YEAR?

    Your comment illustrates a level of ignorance so profound that I can only conclude you have literally zero clue from where a #2 pencil comes, much less how a kW of electricity is generated and reaches your home. You and those like you, if you're ever able to fully come into control of human society, will take the human race back to prehistory.

    Here is the rub.

    I’m going to respond like you did and claim that you are a liar because it is inconceivable to achieve good grades.

    See?

    The reality is that, if it is true that your kid has done well, it is partly because the educational system is a sham and, if you had an ounce of common sense, you would know there is nothing to congratulate yourself about. The fact is that the competition is just as bad as the system.

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    Sweetie, then I hope you have the intellectual honesty to stop using the many life-enhancing products of modern engineering, brought into existence largely by men who actually learned something in that sham to which you refer.

    No more indoor plumbing or electricity for you.
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  • Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Pat Kittle
    "Loxism" is the hatred of Whites by Jews...
    defining political & social force of our times,
    yet it goes completely unmentioned:

    -- [ https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7b4b8103927b5211187228da7ba046094c99d1ae38fed7f536cb2a9bf6ae8059.jpg ]

    Good points.

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  • @Stephen Paul Foster
    "Racism" is he lynch-pin of this massive shake-down. Proposal: make an operational definition of "racism" and punish anyone who misuses it. Suddenly, the accusations would stop.

    See: http://fosterspeak.blogspot.com/2017/07/against-anti-racism-and-hemeneutics-of.html

    My recent experience at a so-called progressive insurance company headquartered near Tampa, FL demonstrated that the AA hires consider themselves to be more privileged than the whites who actually did the work. Everyday, all day, you could look around the office and see ten to twenty AA types standing around, laughing, making noise, and becoming abusive to anyone who complained. I had one huge ape tell me I had to learn “the Atlanta stomp.” He did not reply when I asked what that meant.

    I think the article needs to include white anger among the whites who have to work with the AA and whose work suffers as a result.

    If permitted to stereotype, these packs of AA do-nothings resembled hyenas more than any human.

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  • Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @peterAUS
    Good post.

    Well, I guess we could "chat" about the topic for quite some time here.

    men and women are vastly different, (obviously) and we’re motivated by fundamental principles that go back to our evolutionary past. By understanding those hard-wired principles, and how they manifest in modern times, is helpful in navigating the contemporary relationship mine field.
     
    Of course.

    But, and there is always that "but", things today are a bit more complicated.
    I am not so sure I'd be able to convey my train of thought here but I'll try:
    Environment changed for worse. A man isn't capable, on average, anymore to provide for a family. A woman has to chime in if they are to provide a decent life for themselves and, the most important, for the kids.
    As somebody else said before here, that environment is more important for kids' future than their talents and intelligence.
    And, because of that, a man has to change diapers and do dishes, do house cleaning and such.
    I...guess....that here a verbal communication is the key: we both do the job/paid employment. Now....what traditional male/female tasks we do/share?
    In a minuscule practical example: you make a dinner, I'll do the dishes.I"ll do the lawn moving, you do the ironing. Etc.
    Then, there is a strong social pressure on a woman to be....equal. It takes a smart and strong woman to manage that. The same as managing all this brainwashing. The same applies to a man.
    I somehow suspect if that brainwashing was reversed, in 6 months we'd have reversed attitudes.

    A recent example, maybe:
    We do hiking a lot. Nothing hard, just day trips.I play a pointman/bodyguard, she plays VIP. I carry most of the gear, she carries her own survival essentials. When walk, I am on point but she manages pace/breaks. I point to tricky spots and help her around/over them. Sometimes even carry her a bit. When we have a lunch break she organizes that food around,I check the gear. When we meet other hikers she's in charge of friendly chat.
    A couple of weeks ago we came across a group of youngsters, white, mid/late twenties. Middle class bunch. Two couples and three singles, two males and a female.
    My wife got into friendly chat and I got to play a "tail end Charlie".
    Watching the group was amusing.
    The two couples were walking similar to our walk (men helping women).
    Now, the funny part. The single female, a good looking blonde, was struggling on the trail, slipping a lot and falling a couple of times. Those two single males (not gay I am positive) were not paying any attention to that. Now, the worst part. After she really fell over bad and had hard time getting up I jogged to help her. She refused and with some time and effort got up and kept struggling. If a soldier I'd say "good grit", but, FFS, this ain't a selection march, it's socializing stroll.
    Again, I remember when young and in similar situation, we, men were expected to pair up with girls and help them, and they expected that from us.
    Not anymore apparently.

    And, well, there is another element today.
    A man can lose his job. Actually I guess that the trend, related to the article, is for white males to keep losing their jobs. So, a woman has to pick up the slack. Keeping her in traditional role just doesn't make sense anymore. So, a man has to take over "domestic" duties.

    But, those duties or not, doesn't matter, IMHO.
    Not a bit.

    If the core relationship is O.K. does he do cooking, cleaning, dishes, ironing and she is a breadwinner does not matter.

    And, that brings us to

    women long to feel that inner femininity (the opposite of feminism) that runs deep in their blood and in their loins. They despise the ‘men’ who follow the fashions like homosexual metro-sexuals. It is visceral, and that’s why you always heard of girls liking the ‘bad boy’.

    They say they want a nice man who will do the dishes and change the diapers, but in their heart of hearts, (the hamster ; ) they revile such men as weak. There is nothing on this planet that earns the contempt and even hatred of a woman than a weak and appeasing ‘man’.

     

    That is the key, I think.
    Speaking of the 'bad boy' read recently an interesting post/analysis about what literature/movie character type is the most popular with women. And why. An interesting article.

    I, personally, feel that youngsters, men, could benefit somehow if they participate in combat sports.
    Could help in preserving, even developing, that confident attitude.
    Now, the catch is, of course, it's hard and often painful.

    As for that "clitoris" thing,.....could be.
    Could also be a huge oversimplification.
    Free will, brother.

    Still, the topic is huge and we can't here really, seriously, talk about it.

    “As somebody else said before here, that environment is more important for kids’ future than their talents and intelligence.”

    That’s debatable. Some of the World’s most fertile soils get enriched daily with corpses of starved, clueless Africans.

    “If the core relationship is O.K. does he do cooking, cleaning, dishes, ironing and she is a breadwinner does not matter.”

    That relationship will almost certainly become less OK in time. Both parties will start feeling that the man is underperforming.

    http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/would-you-date-an-unemployed-man-75-percent-of-women-would-not

    Of the 925 single women surveyed, 75 percent said they’d have a problem with dating someone without a job. Only 4 percent of respondents asked whether they would go out with an unemployed man answered “of course.”

    On the other hand, the prospect of dating an unemployed woman was not a problem for nearly two-thirds of men. In fact, 19 percent of men said they had no reservations and 46 percent of men said they were positive they would date an unemployed woman.

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  • joef says:
    @Okechukwu

    Again you are guilty of making inaccurate assumptions… just as speaking of afro american atrocities, in defensive terms, is not the same as advocating the offensive harming of afros…
     
    Funny that you are fixated on "Afro American atrocities" within a day or two of another white man committing yet another gross atrocity. That goes to my point that you people don't care a whit about "black crime," most of which are conjured up in your minds. You just find it a convenient vehicle through which to express your irrational hatred. News accounts are dripping with atrocities committed by whites daily. But you don't care because you don't actually care about crime or atrocities.

    Every year, in accumulated daily aggregate, afros have killed more American residents then all those terrorist actions put together … and have been doing so for the last half century… and your side feels no sympathy for all those victims of afro violence. To you, they are merely expendable in order to promote politically correct propaganda (to a leftist, those victims are an inconvenient truth, with a demand that they should keep quiet, be willing victims, and go away).

    It is interesting, you call any criticism of observed/recorded afro antisocial behavior generalizations, yet your side are willing to generalize with: that all afros are subject to racism by whites, and all white critics of afros are racist, and all whites are beneficiaries of white privilege (this is mostly projection from ignorant limo libs, who where raised in suburbia, and never had to deal directly with the problem). It is not generalizations that your side does not permit, only generalization that you disapprove of.

    The leftist side of the argument are so callous towards crime victims, that you would not even allow their stories to be acknowledged, in order to avoid any criticism of afros. And for those who refuse to be a willing victim to afro violence, they are considered racist. When it comes down to it, your white guilt does not supersede our right to protect ourselves from afro initiated aggression. If afros want to be accepted then they should stop their unprovoked hostility against non afros… if not, most of us will not deny a negative reality that effects us directly (no matter how much leftist insist on it).

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    When it comes down to it, your white guilt does not supersede our right to protect ourselves from afro initiated aggression.
     
    Does this guy really think I'm white?
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  • Rurik says:
    @peterAUS
    Good post.

    Well, I guess we could "chat" about the topic for quite some time here.

    men and women are vastly different, (obviously) and we’re motivated by fundamental principles that go back to our evolutionary past. By understanding those hard-wired principles, and how they manifest in modern times, is helpful in navigating the contemporary relationship mine field.
     
    Of course.

    But, and there is always that "but", things today are a bit more complicated.
    I am not so sure I'd be able to convey my train of thought here but I'll try:
    Environment changed for worse. A man isn't capable, on average, anymore to provide for a family. A woman has to chime in if they are to provide a decent life for themselves and, the most important, for the kids.
    As somebody else said before here, that environment is more important for kids' future than their talents and intelligence.
    And, because of that, a man has to change diapers and do dishes, do house cleaning and such.
    I...guess....that here a verbal communication is the key: we both do the job/paid employment. Now....what traditional male/female tasks we do/share?
    In a minuscule practical example: you make a dinner, I'll do the dishes.I"ll do the lawn moving, you do the ironing. Etc.
    Then, there is a strong social pressure on a woman to be....equal. It takes a smart and strong woman to manage that. The same as managing all this brainwashing. The same applies to a man.
    I somehow suspect if that brainwashing was reversed, in 6 months we'd have reversed attitudes.

    A recent example, maybe:
    We do hiking a lot. Nothing hard, just day trips.I play a pointman/bodyguard, she plays VIP. I carry most of the gear, she carries her own survival essentials. When walk, I am on point but she manages pace/breaks. I point to tricky spots and help her around/over them. Sometimes even carry her a bit. When we have a lunch break she organizes that food around,I check the gear. When we meet other hikers she's in charge of friendly chat.
    A couple of weeks ago we came across a group of youngsters, white, mid/late twenties. Middle class bunch. Two couples and three singles, two males and a female.
    My wife got into friendly chat and I got to play a "tail end Charlie".
    Watching the group was amusing.
    The two couples were walking similar to our walk (men helping women).
    Now, the funny part. The single female, a good looking blonde, was struggling on the trail, slipping a lot and falling a couple of times. Those two single males (not gay I am positive) were not paying any attention to that. Now, the worst part. After she really fell over bad and had hard time getting up I jogged to help her. She refused and with some time and effort got up and kept struggling. If a soldier I'd say "good grit", but, FFS, this ain't a selection march, it's socializing stroll.
    Again, I remember when young and in similar situation, we, men were expected to pair up with girls and help them, and they expected that from us.
    Not anymore apparently.

    And, well, there is another element today.
    A man can lose his job. Actually I guess that the trend, related to the article, is for white males to keep losing their jobs. So, a woman has to pick up the slack. Keeping her in traditional role just doesn't make sense anymore. So, a man has to take over "domestic" duties.

    But, those duties or not, doesn't matter, IMHO.
    Not a bit.

    If the core relationship is O.K. does he do cooking, cleaning, dishes, ironing and she is a breadwinner does not matter.

    And, that brings us to

    women long to feel that inner femininity (the opposite of feminism) that runs deep in their blood and in their loins. They despise the ‘men’ who follow the fashions like homosexual metro-sexuals. It is visceral, and that’s why you always heard of girls liking the ‘bad boy’.

    They say they want a nice man who will do the dishes and change the diapers, but in their heart of hearts, (the hamster ; ) they revile such men as weak. There is nothing on this planet that earns the contempt and even hatred of a woman than a weak and appeasing ‘man’.

     

    That is the key, I think.
    Speaking of the 'bad boy' read recently an interesting post/analysis about what literature/movie character type is the most popular with women. And why. An interesting article.

    I, personally, feel that youngsters, men, could benefit somehow if they participate in combat sports.
    Could help in preserving, even developing, that confident attitude.
    Now, the catch is, of course, it's hard and often painful.

    As for that "clitoris" thing,.....could be.
    Could also be a huge oversimplification.
    Free will, brother.

    Still, the topic is huge and we can't here really, seriously, talk about it.

    Still, the topic is huge and we can’t here really, seriously, talk about it.

    agree

    thanks for the discourse nonetheless

    cheers

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  • Okechukwu says:
    @joef
    Every year, in accumulated daily aggregate, afros have killed more American residents then all those terrorist actions put together ... and have been doing so for the last half century... and your side feels no sympathy for all those victims of afro violence. To you, they are merely expendable in order to promote politically correct propaganda (to a leftist, those victims are an inconvenient truth, with a demand that they should keep quiet, be willing victims, and go away).

    It is interesting, you call any criticism of observed/recorded afro antisocial behavior generalizations, yet your side are willing to generalize with: that all afros are subject to racism by whites, and all white critics of afros are racist, and all whites are beneficiaries of white privilege (this is mostly projection from ignorant limo libs, who where raised in suburbia, and never had to deal directly with the problem). It is not generalizations that your side does not permit, only generalization that you disapprove of.

    The leftist side of the argument are so callous towards crime victims, that you would not even allow their stories to be acknowledged, in order to avoid any criticism of afros. And for those who refuse to be a willing victim to afro violence, they are considered racist. When it comes down to it, your white guilt does not supersede our right to protect ourselves from afro initiated aggression. If afros want to be accepted then they should stop their unprovoked hostility against non afros... if not, most of us will not deny a negative reality that effects us directly (no matter how much leftist insist on it).

    When it comes down to it, your white guilt does not supersede our right to protect ourselves from afro initiated aggression.

    Does this guy really think I’m white?

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    Does this guy really think I’m white?
     
    This reader didn't but the fact that "josef" thought you might be, shows how willfully insane he realizes some whites are.
    , @joef
    It does not even matter whether you personally are White or not, the leftist excuse making is the same. And what your side of the argument is creating is a very bad equation for this country: Racial balkanization plus economic decline equals eventual large scale social disruption.

    And afro american violence committed against other American residents is staggering as compared to any other accusation, by use of identity politics, you can come up with. As there are more & more victims of affirmative action, afro american initiated crime, and false allegation of racism, people will follow their own rational self interest over the false narratives that leftist constantly push. These predominant negative interactions with afros, will cause people to practice risk avoidance, regardless of leftist demands to the contrary.

    Some guilt ridden liberals are willing victims, but most people will not want to be. As afros create more victims, they will lose all credibility that they are not the aggressors (do you really believe that afros can commit routine acts of violence indefinitely, without it eventually affecting the majority of public opinion sometime in the future? ... As the non afro victims steadily increase, no one will ignore this harsh reality once it effects them, or the people they care about, personally).

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  • dcite says:
    @Okechukwu

    When it comes down to it, your white guilt does not supersede our right to protect ourselves from afro initiated aggression.
     
    Does this guy really think I'm white?

    Does this guy really think I’m white?

    This reader didn’t but the fact that “josef” thought you might be, shows how willfully insane he realizes some whites are.

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  • dcite says:
    @Okechukwu

    Again you are guilty of making inaccurate assumptions… just as speaking of afro american atrocities, in defensive terms, is not the same as advocating the offensive harming of afros…
     
    Funny that you are fixated on "Afro American atrocities" within a day or two of another white man committing yet another gross atrocity. That goes to my point that you people don't care a whit about "black crime," most of which are conjured up in your minds. You just find it a convenient vehicle through which to express your irrational hatred. News accounts are dripping with atrocities committed by whites daily. But you don't care because you don't actually care about crime or atrocities.

    Many of the “gross atrocities” are hoaxes, or staged. Even so, you’re right. It’s mostly whites who are contriving and staging. Take a look at Ole Dammegard’s research.
    But real crime is being committed, and by and large, it’s not white on black. Very rare. Black on white. Very common. Every white person living in a heavily black area has experienced it personally or vicariously.

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  • joef says:
    @Okechukwu

    When it comes down to it, your white guilt does not supersede our right to protect ourselves from afro initiated aggression.
     
    Does this guy really think I'm white?

    It does not even matter whether you personally are White or not, the leftist excuse making is the same. And what your side of the argument is creating is a very bad equation for this country: Racial balkanization plus economic decline equals eventual large scale social disruption.

    And afro american violence committed against other American residents is staggering as compared to any other accusation, by use of identity politics, you can come up with. As there are more & more victims of affirmative action, afro american initiated crime, and false allegation of racism, people will follow their own rational self interest over the false narratives that leftist constantly push. These predominant negative interactions with afros, will cause people to practice risk avoidance, regardless of leftist demands to the contrary.

    Some guilt ridden liberals are willing victims, but most people will not want to be. As afros create more victims, they will lose all credibility that they are not the aggressors (do you really believe that afros can commit routine acts of violence indefinitely, without it eventually affecting the majority of public opinion sometime in the future? … As the non afro victims steadily increase, no one will ignore this harsh reality once it effects them, or the people they care about, personally).

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  • @LauraMR
    Here is the rub.

    I'm going to respond like you did and claim that you are a liar because it is inconceivable to achieve good grades.

    See?

    The reality is that, if it is true that your kid has done well, it is partly because the educational system is a sham and, if you had an ounce of common sense, you would know there is nothing to congratulate yourself about. The fact is that the competition is just as bad as the system.

    Sweetie, then I hope you have the intellectual honesty to stop using the many life-enhancing products of modern engineering, brought into existence largely by men who actually learned something in that sham to which you refer.

    No more indoor plumbing or electricity for you.

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  • @Cagey Beast
    No, it's not just the Jews or all about the Jews. The Gentiles up at the top of the power pyramid decided on mass, non-White immigration, de facto and de jure multiculturalism and Affirmative Action before the Jews came to predominate the way they did until perhaps this year. Have a look at the consensus that formed on all this from around the mid-1960s to mid-1970s. At it's heart, it was an attempt to keep the momentum of the First and Second Industrial Revolutions, and the postwar "Glorious Thirty", going after it would have faded out on its own.

    So much of this anti-White, anti-male, anti-majority culture stuff is the toxic distillation of a bunch of hype and happy talk the powerful starting pumping out back then. Mass media, mass education and the think-tank industry made it possible to promote women going into the paid workforce, mass exotic immigration, Affirmative Action and all the other policies needed to keep the ponzi scheme economy of the West going a little longer.

    You are wrong about the Jews. The Jews have been deeply entrenched in the elite since before WW1. During the Wilson administration, many powerful Jews got into the Federal govmt. During Roosevelt there was even more.

    The WASP’s in the US have been in bed with them for decades. Either they were genuinely sympathetic to the whole multicultural thing or they were bought and paid for by these people. Just like today.

    Who has authored a ton of the immigration bills including the one from 1965 that has destroyed the US? Was it the Irish? The Poles? How about the Swedes. The Gentile elite may not have had to do but like I said they were in bed with them. The Jews in the US have been actively pushing open immigration since before WW1.

    Before someone screeches about anti-semitism go read up on the Jews role in WW2 in the US. They were deeply embedded in all the govmt agencies and heavily influenced policy in Europe both during and after the war. Go look up the Morganthau plan and what he wanted to be done to Germany after the war. This is not conjecture – its a fact.

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  • Avalanche says:

    “How many white males have actually lost their job to a black? The correct answer is exactly one, the fifth ranking applicant. But how many whites will mistakenly believe that they lost out to an affirmative action candidate? The answer is 14 since this is the number of rejected white candidates between 6 and 19″

    The writer is completely wrong! IF applicant no. 5 is (rightly) offered the job and he turns it down, then the job is (rightly) offered to applicant NUMBER 6!! IF applicant no. 6 turns it down, it is (rightly) offered to applicant NUMBER 7! So, all those higher-scoring test takers did, IN FACT, lose their job placement to the less-qualified black applicant! They each should have been offered that job — and obviously one would have TAKEN it — if they were fairly offered the slot they had qualified for!

    So, their anger at their unfair displacement for an applicant who DID NOT DO AS WELL, who was not AS qualified as they, is both accurate and appropriate! (That’s the problem with “affirmative action” — it SCREWS over people who more closely qualify — for whatever: a job, a seat in a college, a spot on a waiting list — whatever it is!)

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  • What they don’t understand is that we are waiting for the proper time.

    We know our friends, we know our enemies, and we can move very quickly.

    While Antifa bloats, we will find them later….

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  • Kali says:
    @Okechukwu

    for each Black in the US with an IQ of 85 or higher, there is a White with an IQ of 120 or higher.
     
    Plenty of high IQ whites are morons, as evidenced by many of the commentators on Unz. IQ is a learned academic exercise that has little to do with innate intelligence, aptitude, work ethic or the ability to persist and persevere or get along well with others.

    “Plenty of high IQ whites are morons, as evidenced by many of the commentators on Unz. ”

    And plenty of niggers are morons, as evidenced by you.

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  • Kali says:
    @Okechukwu
    Blacks are not violent when you consider that less than 1% of blacks will commit a violent crime in any given year, mostly gangbangers and such.

    Sorry to rain on your parade.

    “Blacks are not violent when you consider that less than 1% of blacks will commit a violent crime in any given year, mostly gangbangers and such”

    Blacks are not violent? That’s bullshit. And you are black, I suppose? Why don’t you go back to Africa?

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  • Kali says:
    @Okechukwu

    Just a few years ago, when mainstream conservatism still held a larger sway over my mind, I would have accepted that idea — that some whites once burned crosses and lynched people out of sheer joy.
     
    Sure, some got a weird, sadistic and maybe even sexual pleasure from hurting innocent black people. Sadists still exist today and I'm sure they would be up to a great deal more mayhem if not for fear of the legal consequences. Back in the day, there were no legal consequences. Another problem modern day "angry whites" have is that blacks are likely to shoot back or lynch them in kind.

    But…with what I’ve observed over the last decade or so, I’ve started to wonder if perhaps the “inexplicable” abuses of the past, may have been (over)reactions to a real and long-standing problem, namely the sky high black on white crime,
     
    Umm...nope. It was pure hatred and racial animus. They were hateful and angry during slavery. They were hateful and angry after slavery. They were hateful and angry during Jim Crow. They were hateful and angry after Jim Crow. They will always be hateful and angry. If all the blacks in America were accountants and medical doctors who never committed a single crime, they would still be hateful and angry. In fact that might set them off even more. So people who have irrational fear, hate and anger should be allowed to stew in those juices as long as they don't infringe on the rights of others. In other words, fuck 'em.

    especially one particular type of crime, for which the black-on-white rate is documented to be several thousand times the reverse.
     
    The incidence of white-on-white rape is vastly more numerous. In fact it's an epidemic. If you were serious you'd concern yourself much more with that. Blacks are a minority surrounded by a sea of whites. Therefore, obviously, more whites are going to be victimized by black criminals than vice versa.

    .” It was pure hatred and racial animus. They were hateful and angry during slavery. They were hateful and angry after slavery. They were hateful and angry during Jim Crow. They were hateful and angry after Jim Crow. They will always be hateful and angry. If all the blacks in America were accountants and medical doctors who never committed a single crime, they would still be hateful and angry.”

    I see. Yeah, it’s evident… Their hate and anger is evident in their violence. Also triggered by their inferior intelligence/more animalistic nature, as observed by genetic scientists.

    Also, any psychologist or even any social anthropologist would agree that anger and hatred make people prone to violence. But you say that blacks aren’t violent . So, you contradict yourself.

    Are you a negro, or just another Hasbara troll?

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  • @Okechukwu

    Just a few years ago, when mainstream conservatism still held a larger sway over my mind, I would have accepted that idea — that some whites once burned crosses and lynched people out of sheer joy.
     
    Sure, some got a weird, sadistic and maybe even sexual pleasure from hurting innocent black people. Sadists still exist today and I'm sure they would be up to a great deal more mayhem if not for fear of the legal consequences. Back in the day, there were no legal consequences. Another problem modern day "angry whites" have is that blacks are likely to shoot back or lynch them in kind.

    But…with what I’ve observed over the last decade or so, I’ve started to wonder if perhaps the “inexplicable” abuses of the past, may have been (over)reactions to a real and long-standing problem, namely the sky high black on white crime,
     
    Umm...nope. It was pure hatred and racial animus. They were hateful and angry during slavery. They were hateful and angry after slavery. They were hateful and angry during Jim Crow. They were hateful and angry after Jim Crow. They will always be hateful and angry. If all the blacks in America were accountants and medical doctors who never committed a single crime, they would still be hateful and angry. In fact that might set them off even more. So people who have irrational fear, hate and anger should be allowed to stew in those juices as long as they don't infringe on the rights of others. In other words, fuck 'em.

    especially one particular type of crime, for which the black-on-white rate is documented to be several thousand times the reverse.
     
    The incidence of white-on-white rape is vastly more numerous. In fact it's an epidemic. If you were serious you'd concern yourself much more with that. Blacks are a minority surrounded by a sea of whites. Therefore, obviously, more whites are going to be victimized by black criminals than vice versa.

    Umm…nope. It was pure hatred and racial animus. They were hateful and angry during slavery.

    Who could blame them? The black man knew his place.

    It was the white man who second-guessed his Creator.

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    Who could blame them? The black man knew his place.
     
    My place would be with my foot firmly up your ass.
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  • @Okechukwu

    for each Black in the US with an IQ of 85 or higher, there is a White with an IQ of 120 or higher.
     
    Plenty of high IQ whites are morons, as evidenced by many of the commentators on Unz. IQ is a learned academic exercise that has little to do with innate intelligence, aptitude, work ethic or the ability to persist and persevere or get along well with others.

    Plenty of high IQ whites are morons…

    Their (apparent) belief in racial equality suggests that, but their belief in marriage equality seals the case.

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    Their (apparent) belief in racial equality suggests that,
     
    You're judged as an individual, not as a race. If you want a society where dumb and inferior whites lord it over superior non-whites, find an island somewhere and create your dream society there.
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  • @Anonymous
    Interesting. My story is almost exactly the same except for the fact that I graduated top of the top of the top and my skin colour is blue. They wouldn't let me apply unless I could provide an outrageous amount of unobtanium or tick the "white nationalist" box.

    I feel you, sista'.

    I feel you, sista’.

    Careful. That’s what cost Harvey his job.

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  • @The Alarmist
    I do my part by checking the African American box on all those official forms. It helps skew the results of that group upwards so that it looks like there is even less justification for the leg up. Call it the Dolezal Coefficient.

    Anyone whose genetic test revealed even one percent “Iberian”or “Spain/Portugal” should check Hispanic. If there is ethnic / racial or cultural bias by some Hispanics in favor of Hispanics, let us benefit from these ungrateful invaders’ bias.

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  • @dc.sunsets

    Here is a shocker for you. Universities are daycare centers. Graduating at the top of a class is next to trivial.
     
    Really? Explain that to my middle kid, who graduated with a 4.0 in an engineering discipline.

    Think you could get a single answer correct on any exam he took in "fluid dynamics?"

    Do you think you could do a day of his job today, even if you job-shadowed him for a YEAR?

    Your comment illustrates a level of ignorance so profound that I can only conclude you have literally zero clue from where a #2 pencil comes, much less how a kW of electricity is generated and reaches your home. You and those like you, if you're ever able to fully come into control of human society, will take the human race back to prehistory.

    You should be proud of your child. But he is, sadly, utterly Unrepresentative of U.S. college students today.

    What tiny percentage of college students major in some useful, meaningfully testable, marketable “hard science” field like engineering? Compare that to the millions who major in “liberal arts” nonsense that ranges from the irrational and useless to the downright sick, hateful, and harmful.

    How demanding is the work that most college students do to get their degrees? NOTHING remotely comparable to what your son has achieved. Parroting the right buzzwords and jargon to some otherwise-unemployable “professor” is not hard work for most kids — as shown by the amount of time many of them seem to have for partying and worshipping college athletes.

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  • An even bigger problem exists in the corporate world where diversity promotions force large numbers of whites to work for minority guys or women who are manifestly inferior to them.

    If you want to make a thousand white men furious all at the same time, force them to be subservient to a “leader” who could not keep up with any of them.

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  • Okechukwu says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Plenty of high IQ whites are morons...
     
    Their (apparent) belief in racial equality suggests that, but their belief in marriage equality seals the case.

    Their (apparent) belief in racial equality suggests that,

    You’re judged as an individual, not as a race. If you want a society where dumb and inferior whites lord it over superior non-whites, find an island somewhere and create your dream society there.

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    "You’re judged as an individual, not as a race. If you want a society where dumb and inferior whites lord it over superior non-whites, find an island somewhere and create your dream society there."

    Those dumb and "inferior" Whites will still build a more first world society than so called superior non Whites (except maybe East Asians). What is strange is when blacks kick Whites out, like they did in Zimbabwe or when they kick Asians out like say in Uganda under Idi Amin, they do not judge the non blacks as individuals and do not do analysis of the White or brown person kicked out are superior or inferior. We will treat others as tribes but we should be treated as individuals by others. Does not work.
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  • Malla says:
    @TomSchmidt
    There's an indirect reference in Peter Drucker's Management Challenges for the 21st Century, in which he mentions one big challenge is the demographic stasis and decline in the West. Dealing with this in a just way, he says, will be a challenge, since for hundreds of years the prevailing business strategy has been to count on "growth."

    Sadly, the elites elected not to take on this challenge. It's not coincidental, I think, that the last year of the baby boom was 1964, with successively declining birth cohorts for every year from 1956 onwards. If you're a man who thinks "what's good for GM is good for America," and what's good for GM is more people buying more cars living in more suburbs, then the drop in population growth in the 60s is a problem. The immigration reform act of 1965 can thus be seen as a big business attempt to keep the "growth engine" on a finite planet going forever.

    Why did the corposations not encourage the American population to have more kids? It seems, they encouraged the opposite by their support of universities what push feminism and Cultural Marxism.

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    We ran out of smart white men a while ago. Then we needed to throw smart white women into the workforce, because of the premium on intelligence in the marketplace. No way to square the circle, unless you set up employment for women starting at 35.

    You still need "growth"so you try to buy it. Didn't work.
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  • Malla says:

    “It was pure hatred and racial animus. They were hateful and angry during slavery. They were hateful and angry after slavery. They were hateful and angry during Jim Crow. They were hateful and angry after Jim Crow. They will always be hateful and angry.”

    LOL. If Whites would be really hateful and angry, blacks would be extinct by now.

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  • Malla says:
    @Okechukwu

    Their (apparent) belief in racial equality suggests that,
     
    You're judged as an individual, not as a race. If you want a society where dumb and inferior whites lord it over superior non-whites, find an island somewhere and create your dream society there.

    “You’re judged as an individual, not as a race. If you want a society where dumb and inferior whites lord it over superior non-whites, find an island somewhere and create your dream society there.”

    Those dumb and “inferior” Whites will still build a more first world society than so called superior non Whites (except maybe East Asians). What is strange is when blacks kick Whites out, like they did in Zimbabwe or when they kick Asians out like say in Uganda under Idi Amin, they do not judge the non blacks as individuals and do not do analysis of the White or brown person kicked out are superior or inferior. We will treat others as tribes but we should be treated as individuals by others. Does not work.

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    Those dumb and “inferior” Whites will still build a more first world society than so called superior non Whites (except maybe East Asians).
     
    Irrelevant even if true. You and I are individuals. If you're a dumbass white person (which I suspect may be the case), you should not, by virtue of your melanin deficit, have privileges over someone else. If that's what you want, plenty of islands are for sale.

    What is strange is when blacks kick Whites out, like they did in Zimbabwe or when they kick Asians out like say in Uganda under Idi Amin
     
    It's your kind of thinking that brought down racist regimes like Rhodesia. Do you know how many barely functional white retards sat on their asses while smarter more capable blacks were related to house boys and other menial tasks? When blacks figured out that, more often than not, they were smarter than these people, the blacks were unwilling to live under that yoke. So the blacks overthrew the minority white regimes throughout Africa. Now they go where they want in their own countries, they fly airliners and erect skyscrapers.
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  • Malla says:
    @Okechukwu

    for each Black in the US with an IQ of 85 or higher, there is a White with an IQ of 120 or higher.
     
    Plenty of high IQ whites are morons, as evidenced by many of the commentators on Unz. IQ is a learned academic exercise that has little to do with innate intelligence, aptitude, work ethic or the ability to persist and persevere or get along well with others.

    You do not emotionally like or accept the concept IQ/IQ testing (which fact BTW) because blacks on average have less intelligence and thus score low on IQ tests. It it had been the case that blacks on average were really more intelligent and had thus scored high on IQ tests, you would have been a GREAT DEFENDER OF THE CONCEPT OF IQ and IQ TESTING. LOL

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    You do not emotionally like or accept the concept IQ/IQ testing (which fact BTW) because blacks on average have less intelligence and thus score low on IQ tests.
     
    That's certainly a myth you're in love with. The situation is far more complex, however. And, ironically, you'd have to be somewhat intelligent to appreciate the complexity.
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  • @Malla
    Why did the corposations not encourage the American population to have more kids? It seems, they encouraged the opposite by their support of universities what push feminism and Cultural Marxism.

    We ran out of smart white men a while ago. Then we needed to throw smart white women into the workforce, because of the premium on intelligence in the marketplace. No way to square the circle, unless you set up employment for women starting at 35.

    You still need “growth”so you try to buy it. Didn’t work.

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  • Okechukwu says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Umm…nope. It was pure hatred and racial animus. They were hateful and angry during slavery.
     
    Who could blame them? The black man knew his place.

    It was the white man who second-guessed his Creator.

    Who could blame them? The black man knew his place.

    My place would be with my foot firmly up your ass.

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  • Okechukwu says:
    @Malla
    "You’re judged as an individual, not as a race. If you want a society where dumb and inferior whites lord it over superior non-whites, find an island somewhere and create your dream society there."

    Those dumb and "inferior" Whites will still build a more first world society than so called superior non Whites (except maybe East Asians). What is strange is when blacks kick Whites out, like they did in Zimbabwe or when they kick Asians out like say in Uganda under Idi Amin, they do not judge the non blacks as individuals and do not do analysis of the White or brown person kicked out are superior or inferior. We will treat others as tribes but we should be treated as individuals by others. Does not work.

    Those dumb and “inferior” Whites will still build a more first world society than so called superior non Whites (except maybe East Asians).

    Irrelevant even if true. You and I are individuals. If you’re a dumbass white person (which I suspect may be the case), you should not, by virtue of your melanin deficit, have privileges over someone else. If that’s what you want, plenty of islands are for sale.

    What is strange is when blacks kick Whites out, like they did in Zimbabwe or when they kick Asians out like say in Uganda under Idi Amin

    It’s your kind of thinking that brought down racist regimes like Rhodesia. Do you know how many barely functional white retards sat on their asses while smarter more capable blacks were related to house boys and other menial tasks? When blacks figured out that, more often than not, they were smarter than these people, the blacks were unwilling to live under that yoke. So the blacks overthrew the minority white regimes throughout Africa. Now they go where they want in their own countries, they fly airliners and erect skyscrapers.

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    *Do you know how many barely functional white retards sat on their asses while smarter more capable blacks were relegated to house boys and other menial tasks?
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  • Okechukwu says:
    @Malla
    You do not emotionally like or accept the concept IQ/IQ testing (which fact BTW) because blacks on average have less intelligence and thus score low on IQ tests. It it had been the case that blacks on average were really more intelligent and had thus scored high on IQ tests, you would have been a GREAT DEFENDER OF THE CONCEPT OF IQ and IQ TESTING. LOL

    You do not emotionally like or accept the concept IQ/IQ testing (which fact BTW) because blacks on average have less intelligence and thus score low on IQ tests.

    That’s certainly a myth you’re in love with. The situation is far more complex, however. And, ironically, you’d have to be somewhat intelligent to appreciate the complexity.

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  • Okechukwu says:
    @Okechukwu

    Those dumb and “inferior” Whites will still build a more first world society than so called superior non Whites (except maybe East Asians).
     
    Irrelevant even if true. You and I are individuals. If you're a dumbass white person (which I suspect may be the case), you should not, by virtue of your melanin deficit, have privileges over someone else. If that's what you want, plenty of islands are for sale.

    What is strange is when blacks kick Whites out, like they did in Zimbabwe or when they kick Asians out like say in Uganda under Idi Amin
     
    It's your kind of thinking that brought down racist regimes like Rhodesia. Do you know how many barely functional white retards sat on their asses while smarter more capable blacks were related to house boys and other menial tasks? When blacks figured out that, more often than not, they were smarter than these people, the blacks were unwilling to live under that yoke. So the blacks overthrew the minority white regimes throughout Africa. Now they go where they want in their own countries, they fly airliners and erect skyscrapers.

    *Do you know how many barely functional white retards sat on their asses while smarter more capable blacks were relegated to house boys and other menial tasks?

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