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Introduction

Just after midnight of June 6, 1968, Senator Robert Kennedy was assassinated in a backroom of the Ambassador Hotel in Los Angeles. He had just been celebrating his victory at the California primaries, which made him the most likely Democratic nominee for the presidential election. His popularity was so great that Richard Nixon, on the Republican side, stood little chance. At the age of 43, Robert would have become the youngest American president ever, after being the youngest Attorney General in his brother’s government. His death opened the way for Nixon, who could finally become president eight years after having been defeated by John F. Kennedy in 1960.

John had been assassinated four and a half years before Robert. Had he survived, he would certainly have been president until 1968. Instead, his vice-president Lyndon Johnson took over the White House in 1963, and became so unpopular that he retired in 1968. Interestingly, Johnson became president the very day of John’s death, and ended his term a few months after Robert’s death. He was in power at the time of both investigations.

And both investigations are widely regarded as cover-ups. In both cases, the official conclusion is rife with contradictions. We are going to sum them up here. But we will do more: we will show that the key to solving both cases resides in the link between them. And we will solve them beyond a reasonable doubt.

As Lance deHaven-Smith has remarked in Conspiracy Theory in America:

“It is seldom considered that the Kennedy assassinations might have been serial murders. In fact, in speaking about the murders, Americans rarely use the plural, ‘Kennedy assassinations’. […] Clearly, this quirk in the Kennedy assassination(s) lexicon reflects an unconscious effort by journalists, politicians, and millions of ordinary Americans to avoid thinking about the two assassinations together, despite the fact that the victims are connected in countless ways.” [1]Lance deHaven-Smith, Conspiracy Theory in America, University of Texas Press, 2013,kindle 284-292.

John and Robert were bound by an unshakable loyalty. Kennedy biographers have stressed the absolute dedication of Robert to his elder brother. Robert had successfully managed John’s campaign for the Senate in 1952, then his presidential campaign in 1960. John made him not only his Attorney General, but also his most trusted adviser, even on matters of Foreign or Military affairs. What John appreciated most in Robert was his sense of justice and the rectitude of his moral judgment. It is Robert, for example, who encouraged John to fully endorse the cause of the Blacks’ civil rights movement[2]John Lewis’ testimony is in the PBS documentary American Experience Robert F. Kennedy..

Given this exceptional bond between the Kennedy brothers, what is the probability that the two Kennedy assassinations were unrelated? Rather, we should start with the assumption that they are related. Basic common sense suggests that the Kennedy brothers have been killed by the same force, and for the same motives. It is, at least, a logical working hypothesis that Robert was eliminated from the presidential race because he had to be prevented from reaching a position where he could reopen the case of his brother’s death. Both his loyalty to his brother’s memory, and his obsession with justice, made it predictable that, if he reached the White House, he would do just that. But was there, in 1968, any clear indication that he would?

Did Bobby plan to reopen the investigation on his brother’s assassination?

The question has been positively answered by David Talbot in his book Brothers: The Hidden History of the Kennedy Years, published in 2007 by Simon & Schuster. Robert had never believed in the Warren Report’s conclusion that Lee Harvey Oswald was the sole assassin of his brother. Knowing too well what to expect from Johnson, he had refused to testify before the Warren Commission. When its report came out, he had no choice but to publicly endorse it, but “privately he was dismissive of it,” as his son Robert Kennedy, Jr. remembers[3]Associated Press, “RFK children speak about JFK assassination,” January 12, 2013, on www.usatoday.com. To close friends who wondered why he wouldn’t voice his doubt, he said: “there’s nothing I can do about it. Not now.”[4]David Talbot, Brothers: The Hidden History of the Kennedy Years, Simon & Schuster, 2007, p. 278-280, 305.

From 22 November 1963, Robert was alienated and monitored by Johnson and Hoover. Although still Attorney General, he knew he was powerless against the forces that had killed his brother. Yet he lost no time beginning his own investigation; he first asked CIA director John McCone, a Kennedy friend, to find out if the Agency had anything to do with the plot, and came out convinced that it hadn’t. In March 1964, he had a face-to-face conversation with mobster Jimmy Hoffa, his sworn enemy, whom he had battled for ten years, and whom he suspected of having taken revenge on his brother. Robert also asked his friend Daniel Moynihan to search for any complicity in the Secret Service, responsible for the President’s security[5]David Talbot, Brothers, op. cit., 2007, p. 21-22.. And of course, Robert suspected Johnson, whom he had always mistrusted, as Jeff Shesol documents in Mutual Contempt: Lyndon Johnson, Robert Kennedy, and the Feud that Defined a Decade (1997).

In fact, a mere week after JFK’s death, November 29, 1963, Bill Walton, a friend of the Kennedys, travelled to Moscow and passed to Nikita Khrushchev, via a trusted agent who had already carried secret communications between Khrushchev and John Kennedy, a message from Robert and Jacqueline Kennedy; according to the memo found in the Soviet archives in the 90s by Alexandr Fursenko and Timothy Naftali (One Hell of a Gamble, 1998), Robert and Jackie wanted to inform the Soviet Premier that they believed John Kennedy had been “the victim of a right-wing conspiracy,” and that “the cooling that might occur in U.S.-Soviet relations because of Johnson would not last forever.”[6]David Talbot, Brothers, op. cit., p. 25-7.

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Robert also contacted a former MI6 officer who had been a friend of his family when his father was Ambassador in London. This British retired officer in turn contacted some trusted friends in France, and arrangments were made for two French Intelligence operatives to conduct, over a three-year period, a quiet investigation that involved hundreds of interviews in the United States. Their report, replete with innuendo about Lyndon Johnson and right-wing Texas oil barons, was delivered to Bobby Kennedy only months before his own assassination in June of 1968. After Bobby’s death, the last surviving brother, Senator Ted Kennedy, showed no interest in the material. The investigators then hired a French writer by the name of Hervé Lamarr to fashion the material into a book, under the pseudonym of James Hepburn. The book was first published in French under the title L’Amérique brûle, and was translated under the title Farewell America: The Plot to Kill JFK. Its conclusion is worth quoting:

“President Kennedy’s assassination was the work of magicians. It was a stage trick, complete with accessories and fake mirrors, and when the curtain fell, the actors, and even the scenery disappeared. […] the plotters were correct when they guessed that their crime would be concealed by shadows and silences, that it would be blamed on a ‘madman’ and negligence.”[7]James Hepburn, Farewell America: The Plot to Kill JFK, Penmarin Books, 2002, p. 269.

Robert had planned to run for the American Presidency in 1972, but the escalation of the Vietnam War precipitated his decision to run in 1968. Another factor may have been the opening of the investigation by New Orleans District Attorney Jim Garrison in 1967. Garrison was allowed to view Abraham Zapruder’s amateur film, confiscated by the FBI on the day of the assassination. This film, despite evident tampering, shows that the fatal shot came from the “grassy knoll” well in front of the President, not from the School Book Depository located behind him, where Oswald was supposed to be shooting from.

When talk of the investigation began, Kennedy asked one of his closest advisors, Frank Mankievitch, to follow its developments, “so if it gets to a point where I can do something about this, you can tell me what I need to know.” He confided to his friend William Attwood, then editor of Look magazine, that he, like Garrison, suspected a conspiracy, “but I can’t do anything until we get control of the White House.”[8]David Talbot, Brothers, op. cit., p. 312-314. He refrained from openly supporting Garrison, believing that since the outcome of the investigation was uncertain, it could jeopardize his plans to reopen the case later, and even weaken his chances of election by construing his motivation as a family feud.

In conclusion, there can be little doubt that, had he been elected president, Robert Kennedy would have done everything possible to reopen the case of his brother’s assassination, in one way or another. This fact certainly did not escape John’s murderers. They had no other option but to stop him. This first conclusion is a sufficient reason to conduct a comparative analysis of both Kennedy assassinations, in search of some converging clues that might lead us to the trail of a common mastermind.We begin with Robert’s assassination.

Sirhan Sirhan, a Palestinian motivated by hatred of Israel?

Just hours after Robert’s assassination, the press was able to inform the American people, not only of the identity of the assassin, but also of his motive, and even of his detailed biography.[9]Extract of TV news in the documentary film Evidence of Revision: Part 4: The RFK assassination as never seen before, 01:11:42 Twenty-four-year-old Sirhan Bishara Sirhan was born in Jordania, and had moved to the United States when his family was expelled from West Jerusalem in 1948. After the shooting, a newspaper clipping was found in Sirhan’s pocket, quoting favorable comments made by Robert regarding Israel and, in particular, what sounded like an electoral commitment: “The United States should without delay sell Israel the 50 Phantom jets she has so long been promised.” Handwritten notes by Sirhan found in a notebook at his home confirmed that his act had been premeditated and motivated by his hatred of Israel.

That became the story line of the mainstream media from day one. Jerry Cohen of the Los Angeles Times wrote a front page article, saying that Sirhan is “described by acquaintances as a ‘virulent’ anti-Israeli,” (Cohen changed that into “virulent anti-semite” in an article for the The Salt Lake Tribune), and that: “Investigation and disclosures from persons who knew him best revealed [him] as a young man with a supreme hatred for the state of Israel.” Cohen infers that “Senator Kennedy […] became a personification of that hatred because of his recent pro-Israeli statements.” Cohen further revealed that:

“About three weeks ago the young Jordanian refugee accused of shooting Sen. Robert Kennedy wrote a memo to himself, […] The memo said: ‘Kennedy must be assassinated before June 5, 1968’—the first anniversary of the six-day war in which Israel humiliated three Arab neighbors, Egypt, Syria and Jordan.”[10]Jerry Cohen, “Yorty Reveals That Suspect’s Memo Set Deadline for Death,” Los Angeles Times, June 6, 1968, pages 1 and 12, on latimesblogs.latimes.com/thedailymirror/2008/06/june-6-1968.html. Jerry Cohen, “Jerusalem-Born Suspect Called An Anti-Semite,” The Salt Lake Tribune, June 6, 1968, on www.newspapers.com. See also Harry Rosenthal, “Senator Kennedy’s support for Israel promoted decision declares Sirhan,” The Telegraph, March 5, 1969, on news.google.com

After September 11, 2001, the tragedy of Robert’s assassination was installed into the Neocon mythology of the Clash of Civilizations and the War on Terror the story. Sirhan became a precursor of Islamic terrorism on the American soil. In a book entitled The Forgotten Terrorist, Mel Ayton, who specializes in debunking conspiracy theories, claims to present “a wealth of evidence about [Sirhan’s] fanatical Palestinian nationalism,” and to demonstrate that “Sirhan was the lone assassin whose politically motivated act was a forerunner of present-day terrorism” (as written on the back cover).

In 2008, on the 40th anniversary of Robert’s death, Sasha Issenberg of the Boston Globe recalled that the death of Robert Kennedy was “a first taste of Mideast terror.” He quotes Harvard professor Alan Dershowitz (best known as Jonathan Pollard’s lawyer), as saying:

“I thought of it as an act of violence motivated by hatred of Israel and of anybody who supported Israel. […] It was in some ways the beginning of Islamic terrorism in America. It was the first shot. A lot of us didn’t recognize it at the time.”[11]Sasha Issenberg, “Slaying gave US a first taste of Mideast terror,”Boston Globe, June 5, 2008, on www.boston.com

The fact that Sirhan was from a Christian family was lost on Dershowitz. The Jewish Forward took care to mention it on the same occasion, only to add that Islamic fanaticism ran in his veins anyway:

“But what he shared with his Muslim cousins — the perpetrators of September 11 — was a visceral, irrational hatred of Israel. It drove him to murder a man whom some still believe might have been the greatest hope of an earlier generation.”

Robert Kennedy was the first American victim of modern Arab terrorism,” the Forward journalist hammered; “Sirhan hated Kennedy because he had supported Israel.”[12]Jeffrey Salkin, “Remember What Bobby Kennedy Died For,” Forward.com, June 5, 2008. Also Michael Fischbach, “First Shot in Terror War Killed RFK,” Los Angeles Times, June 02, 2003, on articles.latimes.com

This leitmotiv of the public discourse begs the question: Was Bobby really a supporter of Israel? But before we answer that question, there is on more pressing one: Did Sirhan really kill Bobby?

Did Sirhan Bishara Sirhan really kill Robert Kennedy?

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If we trust official statements and mainstream news, the assassination of Robert Kennedy is an open-and-shut case. The identity of the killer suffers no discussion, since he was arrested on the spot, with the smoking gun in his hand. In reality, ballistic and forensic evidence show that none of Sirhan’s bullets hit Kennedy.

According to the autopsy report of Chief Medical Examiner-Coroner Thomas Noguchi, Robert Kennedy died of a gunshot wound to the brain, fired from behind the right ear at point blank range, following an upward angle. Nogushi restated his conclusion in his 1983 memoirs, Coroner. Yet the sworn testimony of twelve shooting witnesses established that Robert had never turned his back on Sirhan and that Sirhan was five to six feet away from his target when he fired.

Tallying all the bullet impacts in the pantry, and those that wounded five people around Kennedy, it has been estimated that at least twelve bullets were fired, while Sirhan’s gun carried only eight. On April 23, 2011, attorneys William Pepper and his associate, Laurie Dusek, gathered all this evidence and more in a 58-page file submitted to the Court of California, asking that Sirhan’s case be reopened. They documented major irregularities in the 1968 trial, including the fact that the bullet tested in laboratory to be compared to the the one extracted from Robert’s brain had not been shot by Sirhan’s revolver, but by another gun, with a different serial number; thus, instead of incriminating Sirhan, the ballistic test in fact proved him innocent. Pepper has also provided a computer analysis of audio recordings during the shooting, made by engineer Philip Van Praag in 2008, which confirms that two guns are heard.[13]Frank Morales, “The Assassination of RFK: A Time for Justice!” June 16, 2012, on www.globalresearch.ca; watch on YouTube, “RFK Assassination 40th Anniversary (2008) Paul Schrade on CNN.”

The presence of a second shooter was signaled by several witnesses and reported on the same day by a few news media. There are strong suspicions that the second shooter was Thane Eugene Cesar, a security guard hired for the evening, who was stuck behind Kennedy at the moment of the shooting, and seen with his pistol drawn by several witnesses. One of them, Don Schulman, positively saw him fire. Cesar was never investigated, even though he did not conceal his hatred for the Kennedys, who according to his recorded statement, had “sold the country down the road to the commies.”[14]Philip Melanson, The Robert F. Kennedy Assassination: New Revelations On the Conspiracy And Cover-Up, S.P.I. Books, 1994, p. 25. For a full overview, watch Shane O’Sullivan’s 2007 investigative documentary RFK Must Die: The Assassination of Bobby Kennedy. For more detail, read his book Who Killed Bobby? The Unsolved Murder of Robert F. Kennedy, Union Square Press, 2008. See also Don Schulman’s testimony in The Second Gun (1973), from 42 min 40.

Even if we assume that Sirhan did kill Robert Kennedy, a second aspect of the case raises question: according to several witnesses, Sirhan seemed to be in a state of trance during the shooting. More importantly, Sirhan has always claimed, and continues to claim, that he has never had any recollection of his act:

“I was told by my attorney that I shot and killed Senator Robert F. Kennedy and that to deny this would be completely futile, [but] I had and continue to have no memory of the shooting of Senator Kennedy.”

He also claims to have no memory of “many things and incidents which took place in the weeks leading up to the shooting.”[15]In a parole hearing in 2011, failing to convince the judges for the fourteenth time. Watch on YouTube, “Sirhan Sirhan Denied Parole”: www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsm1hKPI9EU Some repetitive lines written of a notebook found in Sirhan’s bedroom, which Sirhan recognizes as his own handwriting but does not remember writing, are reminiscent of automatic writing.[16]Shane O’Sullivan, Who Killed Bobby? The Unsolved Murder of Robert F. Kennedy, Union Square Press, 2008, p. 5, 44, 103.

Psychiatric expertise, including lie-detector tests, have confirmed that Sirhan’s amnesia is not faked. In 2008, Harvard University professor Daniel Brown, a noted expert in hypnosis and trauma memory loss, interviewed Sirhan for a total of 60 hours, and concluded that Sirhan, whom he classifies in the category of “high hypnotizables,” acted unvoluntarily under the effect of hypnotic suggestion: “His firing of the gun was neither under his voluntary control, nor done with conscious knowledge, but is likely a product of automatic hypnotic behavior and coercive control.”[17]Jacqui Goddard, “Sirhan Sirhan, assassin of Robert F.Kennedy, launches new campaign for freedom 42 years later,” The Telegraph, December 3, 2011, on www.telegraph.co.uk/search/

We know that in the 1960s, American military agencies were experimenting on mental control. Dr Sidney Gottlieb, son of Hungarian Jews, directed the infamous CIA MKUltra project, which, among other things, were to answer questions such as: “Can a person under hypnosis be forced to commit murder?” according to a declassified document dated May 1951.[18]Colin Ross, Bluebird: Deliberate Creation of Multiple Personality by Psychiatrists, Manitou Communications, 2000,summary on www.wanttoknow.info/bluebird10pg According to Israeli journalist Ronen Bergman, author of Rise and Kill First: The Secret History of Israel’s Targeted Assassinations (Random House, 2018), in 1968, an Israeli military psychologist by the name of Benjamin Shalit had concocted a plan to take a Palestinian prisoner and “brainwash and hypnotize him into becoming a programmed killer” aimed at Yasser Arafat.[19]David B. Green, “Brainwashing and Cross-dressing: Israel’s Assassination Program Laid Bare in Shocking Detail,” Haaretz, February 5, 2018.

If Sirhan was hypnotically programmed, the question is: Who had some interest in having a visceral anti-Zionist Palestinian blamed for the killing of Robert Kennedy? Israel, of course. But then, we are faced with a dilemma, for why would Israel want to kill Robert Kennedy if Robert Kennedy was supportive of Israel, as the mainstream narrative goes?

Was Robert Kennedy really a friend of Israel?

The dilemma rests on a misleading assumption, which is part of the deception. In fact, Robert Kennedy was definitely not pro-Israel. He was simply campaigning in 1968. As everyone knows, a few good wishes and empty promises to Israel are an inescapable ritual in such circumstances. And Robert’s statement in an Oregon synagogue, mentioned in the May 27 Pasadena Independent Star-News article found in Sirhan’s pocket, didn’t exceed the minimal requirements. Its author David Lawrence had, in an earlier article entitled “Paradoxical Bob,” underlined how little credit should be given to such electoral promises: “Presidential candidates are out to get votes and some of them do not realize their own inconsistencies.”

All things considered, there is no ground for believing that Robert Kennedy would have been, as president of the US, particularly Israel-friendly. The Kennedy family, proudly Irish and Catholic, was known for its hostility to Jewish influence in politics, a classic theme of anti-Kennedy literature, best represented by the 1996 book by Ronald Kessler with the highly suggestive title, The Sins of the Father: Joseph P. Kennedy and the Dynasty He Founded.[20]Ronald Kessler, The Sins of the Father: Joseph P. Kennedy and the Dynasty He Founded, Hodder & Stoughton, 1996.

Robert had not been, in his brother’s government, a particularly pro-Israel Attorney General: He had infuriated Zionist leaders by supporting an investigation led by Senator William Fulbright of the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations aimed at registering the American Zionist Council as a “foreign agent” subject to the obligations defined by the Foreign Agents Registration Act of 1938, which would had considerably hindered its efficiency (after 1963, the AZD escaped this procedure by changing its status and renaming itself AIPAC)[21]The Israel Lobby Archive, www.irmep.org/ila/forrel/.

In conclusion, it is only with outstanding hypocrisy that The Jewish Daily Forward could write, on the 40th anniversary of Bobby’s death:

“In remembering Bobby Kennedy, let us remember not just what he lived for, but also what he died for—namely, the precious nature of the American-Israeli relationship.”[22]Jeffrey Salkin, “Remember What Bobby Kennedy Died For,op. cit..

Robert Kennedy’s death had not been a bad thing for the precious “American-Israeli relationship.” Rather, it was a great loss for the Arab world, where Bobby was mourned just as had his brother John before him.

Of course, the fact that the Zionist media lied when granting Robert Kennedy some posthumous certificate of good will toward Israel, and thereby provided Israel with a fake alibi, is not a sufficient reason for concluding that Israel murdered Robert. Even the fact that the masterminds of the plot chose as their programmed instrument an anti-Zionist Palestinian, and thereby stirred a strong anti-Palestinian feeling among Americans at the same time as getting rid of Robert, does not prove that Israel was involved. What is still lacking for a serious presumption is a plausible motive.

The motive of Robert’s assassination must be found, not in what Robert publicly declared in an Oregon synagogue during his presidential campaign, but rather in what he confided only to his most close friends: his intention to reopen the investigation on his brother’s death. Our next question, therefore, is: What would an unbiased investigation, conducted under the supervision of Robert in the White House, have revealed?

Did the CIA assassinate Kennedy?

It is obvious to anybody just vaguely informed that a genuine investigation would first establish that Oswald was a mere “patsy”, as he said himself, a scapegoat prepared in advance to be blamed for the crime and then be slaughtered without a trial. We will not here review the evidence that contradicts the official thesis of the lone gunman. It can be found in numerous books and documentary films.

Just as notorious is the theory that the plot to kill Kennedy originated from a secret network within the CIA, in collusion with extremist elements in the Pentagon. That conspiracy theory looms the largest in books, articles and films that have been produced since John Kennedy died.

That CIA-Pentagon theory, as I will call it (add the military-industrial complex if you wish) has a major flaw in the motive ascribed to the killers: besides getting rid of Kennedy, the theory goes, the aim was to create a pretext for invading Cuba, something the CIA had always pushed for and Kennedy had refused to do (the Bay of Pigs fiasco). With Oswald groomed as a pro-Castro communist, the Dallas shooting was staged as a false flag attack to be blamed on Cuba. But then, why did no invasion of Cuba followed Kennedy’s assassination? Why was the pro-Castro Oswald abandoned by the Warren Commission in favor of the lone nut Oswald? Those who address the question, like James Douglass in his JFK and the Unspeakable, credit Johnson with preventing the invasion. Johnson, we are led to understand, had nothing to do with the assassination plot, and thwarted the plotters’ ultimate aim to start World War III. This is to ignore the tremendous amount of evidence accumulated against Johnson for fifty years, and documented in such groundbreaking books as Phillip Nelson’s LBJ: The Mastermind of JFK’s Assassination (2010) or Roger Stone’s The Man Who Killed Kennedy: The Case Against LBJ (2013).

Another weakness in the CIA-Pentagon theory is the lack of agreement about the mastermind of the plot. In fact, one of the names that comes up most often is James Jesus Angleton, the head of Counter-Intelligence within the CIA, about whom Professor John Newman writes in Oswald and the CIA:

“In my view, whoever Oswald’s direct handler or handlers were, we must now seriously consider the possibility that Angleton was probably their general manager. No one else in the Agency had the access, the authority, and the diabolically ingenious mind to manage this sophisticated plot.”[23]Michael Collins Piper, False Flag, op. cit., p. 78.

But there is plenty of evidence that Angleton, who was also the head of the CIA “Israel Office,” was a Mossad mole. According to his biographer Tom Mangold, “Angleton’s closest professional friends overseas […] came from the Mossad and […] he was held in immense esteem by his Israeli colleagues and by the state of Israel, which was to award him profound honors after his death.”[24]Tom Mangold, Cold Warrior: James Jesus Angleton: the CIA’s Master Spy Hunter, Simon & Schuster, 1991, p. 318.No less that two monuments were dedicated to him at memorial services in Israel during ceremonies attended by chiefs of Israeli Intelligence and even a future Prime Minister.[25]Michael Howard Holzman, James Jesus Angleton, the CIA, and the Craft of COunterintelligence, University of Massachusetts Press, 2008, p. 153.

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Another aspect must be taken into account: if the trail of the CIA is such a well-trodden path among Kennedy researchers, it is because it has been cut and marked by the mainstream media themselves, as well as by Hollywood. And that began even before the assassination, on October 3, 1963, with an article by the New York Times’ chief Washington correspondent Arthur Krock. The article denounced the CIA’s “unrestrained thirst for power” and quotidian unnamed “very high official” who claimed that the White House could not control the CIA, and that:

“If the United States ever experiences an attempt at a coup to overthrow the Government, it will come from the CIA and not the Pentagon. The agency represents a tremendous power and total unaccountability to anyone.”[26]“Assassination studies Kennedy knew a coup was coming,” on Youtube. Image of Arthur Krock’s article is shown on www.youtube.com/watch?v=snE161QnL1U at 1:36.

In such a way, The New York Times was planting a sign, a month and a half before the Dallas killing, pointing to the CIA as the most likely instigator of the upcoming coup. The sign said: “The President is going to fall victim of a coup, and it will come from the CIA.”

One month after Kennedy’s assassination, it was the turn of the Washington Post to use a very similar trick, by publishing an op-ed signed by Harry Truman, in which the former president said he was “disturbed by the way CIA has been diverted from its original assignment.” “I never had any thought when I set up the CIA that it would be injected into peacetime cloak and dagger operations,” at the point of becoming across the globe “a symbol of sinister and mysterious foreign intrigue […] there are now some searching questions that need to be answered.”[27]“Harry Truman Writes: Limit CIA Role to Intelligence,” Washington Post, December 22, 1963, quoted in Mark Lane, Last Word: My Indictment of the CIA in the Murder of JFK, Skyhorse Publishing, 2011, p. 246. Truman was hinting at the CIA’s role in toppling foreign governments and assassinating elected leaders abroad. But given the timing of his article, one month to the day after Dallas, it could only be understood by anyone with ears to hear, and at least subliminally by the rest, as an indictment of the CIA in the Kennedy assassination. This article, widely reprinted in the 1970s after the creation of the Church Committee and the House Select Committee on Assassinations, is regarded as Truman’s whistleblowing. Yet its mea culpa style is quite unlike Truman; that is because it was not written by Truman, but by his longtime assistant and ghostwriter, a Russian born Jew named David Noyes, whom Sidney Krasnoff calls “Truman’s alter ego” in his book, Truman and Noyes: Story of a President’s Alter Ego (1997). Truman probably never saw the article prior to its publication in the Washington Post morning edition, but he may be responsible for its deletion from the afternoon print runs.[28]Thomas Troy, “Truman on CIA,” September 22, 1993, on www.cia.gov ; Sidney Krasnoff, Truman and Noyes: Story of a President’s Alter Ego, Jonathan Stuart Press, 1997.

So the two most influential American newspapers, while ostensibly defending the official theory of the lone gunman, have planted directional signs pointing to the CIA. Most Kennedy truthers have followed the signs with enthusiasm.

In the 70s, the mainstream media and publishing industry played again a major role in steering conspiracy theorists toward the CIA, while avoiding any hint of Israeli involvement. One major contributor to that effort was A. J. Weberman, with his 1975 book Coup d’État in America: The CIA and the Assassination of John F. Kennedy, co-authored by Michael Canfield. According to the New York Jewish Daily Forward (December 28, 2012), Weberman had “immigrated to Israel in 1959 and has dual American-Israeli citizenship,” and is “a close associate of Jewish Defense Organization founder Mordechai Levy, whose fringe group is a spin-off of the late Rabbi Meir Kahane’s militant right-wing Jewish Defense League.” Weberman acknowledged Neocon Richard Perle’s assistance in his investigation.[29]Michael Collins Piper, False Flags: Template for Terror, American Free Press, 2013, p. 67. The Weberman-Canfield book contributed to the momentum that led the House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA) to reinvestigate in 1976 the murders of JFK and Dr. Martin Luther King.

It is also in this context that Newsweek journalist Edward Jay Epstein published an interview of George De Mohrenschildt, a Russian geologist and consultant for Texan oilmen who had befriended Oswald and his Russian wife in Dallas in 1962. In this interview, De Mohrenschildt admitted that Oswald had been introduced to him at the instigation of Dallas CIA agent J. Walton Moore.[30]James Douglass, JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters, Touchstone, 2008, p. 46. That piece of information is dubious for several reasons: First, Moore was officially FBI rather than CIA. Second, De Mohrenschildt was in no position to confirm or deny the words that Epstein ascribed to him: he was found dead a few hours after giving the interview. In fact, De Mohrenschildt’s interview published by Epstein contradicts De Mohrenschildt’s own manuscript account of his relationship to Oswald, revealed after his death.[31]George de Mohrenschilldt, I am a Patsy! on jfkassassination.net/russ/jfkinfo4/jfk12/hscapatsy.htm De Mohrenschildt’s death was ruled a suicide. The Sheriff’s report mentions that in his last months he complained that “the Jews” and “the Jewish mafia” were out to get him.[32]Read the Sheriff’s Office report on mcadams.posc.mu.edu/death2.txt Needless to say, Epstein didn’t mention anything about this. More suspicions arise from the fact that Epstein’s main source for his 1978 book, Legend: the Secret World of Lee Harvey Oswald, was James Jesus Angleton, who was actively spreading disinformation at the time of the HSCA, defending the theory that Oswald was a KGB agent with CIA connections.

That Israeli agents have been instrumental in spreading conspiracy theories targeting the CIA is also evidenced by Oliver Stone’s film JFK released in 1991, starring Kevin Costner in the role of New Orleans District Attorney Jim Garrison. This film, which shook public opinion to the point of motivating the President John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Collection Act of 1992, was produced by Arnon Milchan, described in a 2011 biography as being from his youth “one of the most important covert agents that Israeli intelligence has ever fielded,” involved in arms smuggling from the US to Israel.[33]Meir Doron, Confidential: The Life of Secret Agent Turned Hollywood Tycoon – Arnon Milchan, Gefen Books, 2011, p. xi. In 2013 Milchan publicly revealed his extended activity as a secret agent of Israel, working in particular to boost Israel’s nuclear program.[34]Stuart Winer, “Hollywood producer Arnon Milchan reveals past as secret agent,” The Times of Israel, November 25, 2013, on www.timesofisrael.com ; Meir Doron, Confidential: The Life of Secret Agent Turned Hollywood Tycoon – Arnon Milchan, Gefen Books, 2011, p. xi It is therefore no wonder that Stone’s film gives no hint of the Mossad connection that Garrison stumbled upon.

Who killed JFK?

By a strange paradox, the authors who stand for the consensual conspiracy theory of a CIA plot against Kennedy build their case on the biography of Oswald, while at the same time claiming that Oswald had almost nothing to do with the killing. If Oswald was “just a patsy,” as he publicly claimed, the quest for the real culprits must logically begin by investigating the man who silenced Oswald.

Oswald’s assassin is known as Jack Ruby, but few people know that his real name was Jacob Leon Rubenstein, and that he was the son of Jewish Polish immigrants. Ruby was a member of the Jewish underworld. He was a friend of Los Angeles gangster Mickey Cohen, whom he had known and admired since 1946. Cohen was the successor of the famed Benjamin Siegelbaum, aka Bugsy Siegel, one of the bosses of Murder Incorporated. Cohen was infatuated with the Zionist cause, as he explained in his memoirs: “Now I got so engrossed with Israel that I actually pushed aside a lot of my activities and done nothing but what was involved with this Irgun war”.[35]Mickey Cohen, In My Own Words, Prentice-Hall, 1975, p. 91-92. Mickey Cohen was in contact with Menachem Begin, the former Irgun chief, with whom he even “spent a lot of time,” according to Gary Wean, former detective sergeant for the Los Angeles Police Department. So there is a direct line connecting Jack Ruby, via Mickey Cohen, to the Israeli terrorist ring, and in particular to Menachem Begin, a specialist in false flag terror. We also know that Ruby phoned Al Gruber, a Mickey Cohen associate, just after Oswald’s arrest; no doubt he received then “an offer he couldn’t refuse,” as they say in the underworld.[36]Michael Collins Piper, Final Judgment: The Missing Link in the JFK Assassination Conspiracy, American Free Press, 6th ed., ebook 2005, p. 133-155, 226. Ruby’s defense lawyer William Kunstler wrote in his memoirs that Ruby told him he had killed Oswald “for the Jews,” and Ruby’s rabbi Hillel Silverman received the same confession when visiting Ruby in jail.[37]William Kunstler, My Life as a Radical Lawyer, Carol Publishing, 1994, p. 158; Steve North, “Lee Harvey Oswald’s Killer ‘Jack Ruby’ Came From Strong Jewish Background,” The Forward, November 17, 2013, on forward.com

That is not all. At every levels of the conspiracy to kill Kennedy, we also find the fingerprints of the Israeli deep state. JFK’s trip to Dallas, being officially “non political,” was sponsored by a powerful business group known as the Dallas Citizens Council, dominated by Julius Schepps, “a wholesale liquor distributor, member of every synagogue in town, and de facto leader of the Jewish community,” as described by Bryan Edward Stone in The Chosen Folks: Jews on the Frontiers of Texas.[38]Bryan Edward Stone, The Chosen Folks: Jews on the Frontiers of Texas, University of Texas Press, 2010, p. 200. Kennedy was on his way to the reception organized in his honor when he was shot.

The “host committee” inviting Kennedy was chaired by another influential figure of the wealthy Jewish community in Dallas: advertising executive and PR man Sam Bloom. According to former British Intelligence Officer Colonel John Hughes-Wilson, it was Bloom who suggested to the Police “that they move the alleged assassin [Oswald] from the Dallas police station to the Dallas County Jail in order to give the newsmen a good story and pictures.”Oswald was shot by Ruby during this transfert. Hughes-Wilson adds that,“when the police later searched Ruby’s home, they found a slip of paper with Bloom’s name, address and telephone number on it.”[39]John Hughes-Wilson, JFK-An American Coup d’État: The Truth Behind the Kennedy Assassination, John Blake, 2014.

After the Dallas tragedy, Israel’s sayanim were also busy fabricating the official lie. Apart from its chairman Earl Warren, chosen for his figurative role as Chief Justice, all key people in the investigative Commission were either personal enemies of Kennedy—like Allen Dulles, the CIA director fired by Kennedy in 1961—or ardent Zionists. The man who played the key role in fabricating the government lie purveyed by the Warren Commission was Arlen Specter, the inventor of what came to be called the “magic bullet” theory: a single bullet supposed to have caused seven wounds to Kennedy and John Connally sitting before him in the limousine, and later found in pristine condition on a gurney in Parkland Memorial Hospital in Dallas. Specter, who with an ironic touch of chutzpah titled his autobiography Passion for Truth, was the son of Russian Jewish immigrants, and, at his death in 2012, was mourned by the Israeli government as “an unswerving defender of the Jewish State,” and by AIPAC, as “a leading architect of the congressional bond between our country and Israel.”[40]Natasha Mozgovaya, “Prominent Jewish-American politician Arlan Specter dies at 82,” Haaretz, October 14, 2012, on www.haaretz.com.

So, at all stages of the plot, we find a Zionist cabal including business men, politicians and Irgun-connected gangsters, not forgetting media executives, all devoted to Israel.

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The most plausible motive for Israel to kill Kennedy has been revealed by two books: Seymour Hersh’s The Samson Option in 1991, then Avner Cohen’s Israel and the Bomb in 1998, and the lead has been followed up in 2007 by Michael Karpin in The Bomb in the Basement. What these investigators reveal is that Kennedy, informed by the CIA in 1960 of the military aim pursued at the Dimona complex in the Negev desert, was firmly determined to force Israel to renounce it. With that purpose in mind, he replaced CIA Director Allen Dulles by John McCone, who had, as Eisenhower’s chairman of the Atomic Energy Commission (AEC), leaked to The New York Times the truth about Israel’s Dimona project; the story was printed on December 19, 1960, weeks before Kennedy was to take office. As Alan Hart writes, “there can be no doubt that Kennedy’s determination to stop Israel developing its own nuclear bomb was the prime factor in his decision to appoint McCone.”[41]Alan Hart,Zionism: The Real Enemy of the Jews, vol. 2: David Becomes Goliath, Clarity Press, 2009, p. 273. Then Kennedy urged Ben-Gurion to allow regular inspections of Dimona, first verbally in New York in 1961, and later through more and more insistent letters. In the last one, cabled June 15, 1963 to the Israeli ambassador with instruction to hand it personally to Ben-Gurion, Kennedy demanded Ben-Gurion’s agreement for an immediate visit followed by regular visits every six months, otherwise “this Government’s commitment to and support of Israel could be seriously jeopardized.”[42]Warren Bass, Support any Friend: Kennedy’s Middle East and the Making of the U.S.-Israel Alliance, 2003, p. 219. The result was unexpected: Ben-Gurion avoided official reception of the letter by announcing his resignation on June 16. As soon as the new Prime Minister Levi Eshkol took office, Kennedy sent him a similar letter, dated July 5, 1963, to no avail. Did Ben-Gurion resign in order to deal with Kennedy from another level?

Five months later, Kennedy’s death relieved Israel of all pressure (diplomatic or otherwise) to stop its nuclear program. Faced with Johnson’s complete lack of interest in that issue, John McCone resigned from the CIA in 1965, declaring: “When I cannot get the President to read my reports, then it’s time to go.”

Kennedy’s determination to stop Israel’s Dimona project was only part of the “Kennedy problem”. During his first months in the White House, Kennedy committed himself by letters to Nasser and other Arab heads of State to support UN Resolution 194 for the right of return of Palestinian refugees. Ben-Gurion reacted with a letter to the Israeli ambassador in Washington, intended to be circulated among Jewish American leaders, in which he stated:

“Israel will regard this plan as a more serious danger to her existence than all the threats of the Arab dictators and Kings, than all the Arab armies, than all of Nasser’s missiles and his Soviet MIGs. […] Israel will fight against this implementation down to the last man.’”[43]Quoted in George and Douglas Ball, The Passionate Attachment: America’s Involvement With Israel, 1947 to the Present, W.W. Norton & Co., 1992, p. 51.

Kennedy behaved warmly toward Nasser, Israel’s worst enemy. Historian Philip Muehlenbeck writes:

“While the Eisenhower administration had sought to isolate Nasser and reduce his influence through building up Saudi Arabia’s King Saud as a conservative rival to the Egyptian president, the Kennedy administration pursued the exact opposite strategy.”[44]Philip Muehlenbeck, Betting on the Africans: John F. Kennedy’s Courting of African Nationalist Leaders, Oxford UP, 2012.

After Kennedy’s death, American foreign policy was reversed again, without the American public being aware of it. Johnson cut the economic aid to Egypt, and increased the military aid to Israel, which reached 92 million dollars in 1966, more than the total of all previous years combined.

For 50 years, the Israeli trail in the Kennedy assassination has been smothered, and anyone who mentioned it was immediately ostracized. American congressman Paul Findley nevertheless dared write in March 1992 in the Washington Report on Middle East Affairs: “It is interesting to note that in all the words written and uttered about the Kennedy assassination, Israel’s intelligence agency, the Mossad, has never been mentioned.” One single author has seriously investigated that trail: Michael Collins Piper, in his 1995 book Final Judgment: The Missing Link in the JFK Assassination Conspiracy. Piper was largely ignored by the mainstream of the Kennedy truth movement. But his work has made its way nevertheless. In 2013, Martin Sandler wrote about Piper’s work in his edition of letters by Kennedy, which included those addressed to Ben-Gurion about Dimona: “Of all the conspiracy theories, it remains one of the most intriguing.”It is, in fact, a theory widespread in Arab countries.[45]Listen to Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi on the topic on www.youtube.com/watch?v=PV4kvhs8I8E

The case against Lyndon Johnson

Several investigators have identified Lyndon Johnson, Kennedy’s vice-president, as the mastermind of the Kennedy assassination. It is, at least, beyond doubt that the plotters acted with the foreknowledge that Johnson, who automatically stepped in as head of State after Kennedy’s death, would cover them. The context of national crisis enabled him to bully both Justice and the press while achieving his life’s ambition. Johnson not just benefitted from the plot; he participated in its elaboration. As a former senator from Texas, he could mobilize high-ranked accomplices in Dallas to prepare the ambush. Johnson also had his men in the Navy. In 1961, Texan senator John Connally had been appointed as Navy Secretary at the request of Johnson. When Connally resigned eleven months later to run for governor of Texas, Johnson convinced Kennedy to name another of his Texan friends, Fred Korth.

Johnson’s privileged control over the Navy is an important aspect of the case because the Navy was critical in the setting up and in the cover-up of the plot. First, contrary to a widespread but erroneous belief, Lee Harvey Oswald had been recruited by the Navy and not by the CIA. He was a Marine, and as a Marine he had worked for the Office of Naval Intelligence (ONI). Secondly, it is at the Naval Hospital in Washington, under the control of Navy officers, that Kennedy’s autopsy was performed, after his body had been literally stolen at gunpoint from Parkland Hospital in Dallas. The report of this autopsy stated that the fatal bullet had entered the back of Kennedy’s skull, which contradicted the testimonies of twenty-one members of the Dallas hospital staff who saw two entry bullet-wounds on the front of Kennedy’s body. This was critical because Oswald was presumably shooting from behind Kennedy, and could not possibly have caused these bullet wounds.

It is noteworthy that Johnson had actually taken advantage of his connections in the Navy to participate in the greatest corruption case ever recorded at that time. His accomplice Fred Korth was forced to resign as Navy Secretary in November 1963, only weeks before the Dallas coup, after the Justice Department headed by Robert Kennedy had implicated him in a fraud involving a $7 billion contract for the construction of 1,700 TFX military aircraft by General Dynamics, a Texan company. Johnson’s personal secretary, Bobby Baker, was charged in the same case.

Because of this mounting scandal and other suspicions of corruption, Kennedy was determined to change Vice-President for his upcoming reelection campaign.[46]Phillip Nelson, LBJ: The Mastermind of JFK’s Assassination, XLibris, 2010, p. 372. While in Dallas the day before the President’s visit, Nixon publicized the rumor of Johnson’s removal, and the Dallas Morning News was reporting on November 22nd: “Nixon Predicts JFK May Drop Johnson.” Instead, Johnson became president that very day.

Many Americans immediately suspected Johnson’s involvement in the Dallas coup, especially after the publication in 1964 of a book by James Evetts Haley, A Texan Looks at Lyndon, which portrayed Johnson as deeply corrupt. According to his biographer Robert Caro, Johnson was a man thirsting “for power in its most naked form, for power not to improve the lives of others, but to manipulate and dominate them, to bend them to his will.”[47]Quoted in Phillip Nelson, LBJ: The Mastermind, op. cit., p. 17.

The evidence incriminating Johnson does not conflict with the evidence against Israel, quite the contrary. First, both trails converge in the person of Jack Ruby, whom Nixon identified a one of “Johnson’s boys,” according to former Nixon operative Roger Stone.[48]Patrick Howley, “Why Jack Ruby was probably part of the Kennedy conspiracy,” The Daily Caller, March 14, 2014, on dailycaller.com The hypothesis that Ruby acted on Johnson’s orders is a likely explanation for some of his odd statements to the Warren Commission:

“If you don’t take me back to Washington tonight to give me a chance to prove to the President that I am not guilty, then you will see the most tragic thing that will ever happen.” “There will be a certain tragic occurrence happening if you don’t take my testimony and somehow vindicate me so my people don’t suffer because of what I have done.”

He said that feared that his act would be used “to create some falsehood about some of the Jewish faith,” but added that “maybe something can be saved […], if our President, Lyndon Johnson, knew the truth from me.”[49]Read Ruby’s deposition on jfkmurdersolved.com/ruby.htm With such words, Ruby seems to be trying to send a message to Johnson through the Commission, or rather a warning that he might spill the beans about Israel’s involvement if Johnson did not intervene in his favor. We get the impression that Ruby expected Johnson to pardon him.

Yet Johnson did nothing to get Ruby out of jail. Ruby’s sense of betrayal would explain why in 1965, after having been sentenced to life imprisonment, Ruby implicitly accused Johnson of Kennedy’s murder in a press conference: “If [Adlai Stevenson] was Vice-President there would never have been an assassination of our beloved President Kennedy.”[50]See on YouTube, “Jack Ruby Talks.”

Ruby died from a mysterious disease in his prison in 1967.

A Crypto-Zionist president?

Ruby is not the only link between Johnson and Israel, far from it. In truth, Johnson had always been Israel’s man. His electoral campaigns had been funded since 1948 by Zionist financier Abraham Feinberg, who happened to be president of the Americans for Haganah Incorporated, which raised money for the Jewish militia. It is the same Feinberg who, after the Democratic primaries in 1960, made the following proposal to Kennedy, as Kennedy himself later reported to his friend Charles Bartlett: “We know your campaign is in trouble. We’re willing to pay your bills if you’ll let us have control of your Middle East policy.” Bartlett recalls that Kennedy was deeply upset and swore that, “if he ever did get to be President, he was going to do something about it.”[51]Seymour Hersh, The Samson Option: Israel’s Nuclear Arsenal and American Foreign Policy, Random House, 1991, p. 94-97.

It is on record, thanks to Kennedy insider Arthur Schlesinger (A Thousand Days: John Kennedy in the White House, 1965), that the two men who convinced Kennedy to take Johnson as his running mate, were Philip Graham and Joseph Alsop, respectively publisher and columnist of the Washington Post, and strong supporters of Israel.[52]Arthur Schlesinger, A Thousand Days: John Kennedy in the White House (1965), Mariner Books, 2002, p. 56; Alan Hart, Zionism, vol. 2, op. cit., p. 257. Schlesinger doesn’t reveal Graham and Alsop’s arguments, and states that Kennedy’s final decision “defies historical reconstruction”—a curious statement for a historian so well informed on the topic. But Evelyn Lincoln, Kennedy’s personal secretary for twelve years, had her own idea about it. She believed that Kennedy was blackmailed with proofs of his many infidelities to his wife: “Jack knew that Hoover and LBJ would just fill the air with womanizing.” Whatever the details of the blackmail, Kennedy once confided to his assistant Hyman Raskin, as an apology for taking Johnson, “I was left with no choice […] those bastards were trying to frame me. They threatened me with problems and I don’t need more problems.”[53]Phillip Nelson, LBJ: The Mastermind, op; cit., p. 320.

In 2013, Associated Press reported about newly released tapes from Johnson’s White House office showing LBJ’s “personal and often emotional connection to Israel,” and pointed out that under Johnson, “the United States became Israel’s chief diplomatic ally and primary arms supplier.” An article from the 5 Towns Jewish Times “Our First Jewish President Lyndon Johnson?” recalls Johnson’s continuous support of Jews and Israel in the 1940s and 50s, and concludes: “President Johnson firmly pointed American policy in a pro-Israel direction.” The article also mentions that, “research into Johnson’s personal history indicates that he inherited his concern for the Jewish people from his family. His aunt Jessie Johnson Hatcher, a major influence on LBJ, was a member of the Zionist Organization of America.” And, in an additional note: “The line of Jewish mothers can be traced back three generations in Lyndon Johnson’s family tree. There is little doubt that he was Jewish.”[54]Morris Smith, “Our First Jewish President Lyndon Johnson? – an update!!,” 5 Towns Jewish Times, April 11, 2013, on 5tjt.com.

Whatever was the reason of Johnson’s loyalty to Israel, it is a fact that, thanks to Johnson, Israel could continue its military nuclear program undisturbed, and acquire its first atomic bomb around 1965. Historian Stephen Green writes: “Lyndon Johnson’s White House saw no Dimona, heard no Dimona, and spoke no Dimona when the reactor went critical in early 1964.”[55]Stephen Green, Taking Sides: America’s Secret Relations With a Militant Israel, William Morrow & Co., 1984, p. 166.

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Thanks to JFK’s death, Israel was also able to carry out its plan to annex Palestinian territories beyond the boundaries imposed by the United Nations Partition plan. By leaning on Pentagon and CIA hawks, Johnson intensified the Cold War and created the climate of tension which Israel needed in order to demonize Egyptian president Nasser and reinforce its own stature as indispensable ally in the Middle East.

During the Six Day War of 1967, Israel managed to triple its territory, while creating the illusion of acting in legitimate defense. The lie could not deceive American Intelligence agencies, but Johnson had given a green light to Israel’s attack, and even authorized James Angleton of the CIA to give Israel the precise positions of the Egyptian air bases, which enabled Israel to destroy them in just a few hours.

Four days after the start of the Israeli attack, Nasser accepted the ceasefire request from the UN Security Council. It was too soon for Israel, which had not yet achieved all its territorial objectives. On June 8, 1967, the USS Liberty, a NSA spy ship stationed in international waters off Sinai, was bombed, strafed and torpedoed during 75 minutes by Israeli Mirage jets and three torpedo boats, with the obvious intention of sinking it without leaving any survivors. (Even the rescue channels were machine-gunned.) Meanwhile, Johnson, from the White House, intervened personally to prohibit the nearby Sixth Fleet from rescuing the USS Liberty after the crew, despite the initial destruction of its transmitters, had managed to send off an SOS.

The attack would have been blamed on Egypt if it had succeeded, that is, if the ship had sunk and its crew had all died. The operation would then have given Johnson a pretext for interveening on the side of Israel against Egypt.

But it failed. The USS Liberty affair was suppressed by a commission of inquiry headed by Admiral John Sidney McCain II, Commander-in-Chief of US Naval Forces in Europe (and Father of Arizona Senator John McCain III). Johnson accepted Israel’s spurious “targeting error” explanation. In January 1968 he invited the Israeli Prime Minister, Levi Eshkol, to Washington, and warmly welcomed him to his Texas ranch. What’s more, Johnson rewarded Israel by lifting the embargo on offensive military equipment: US-made tanks and aircraft immediately flowed to Tel Aviv.

This failed false flag attack is evidence of the secret complicity of Johnson and Israel, implying high treason on the part of Johnson.

Conclusion

Let’s now conclude our overview of the evidence: beside the fact that John and Robert were brothers, their assassinations have at least two things in common: Lyndon Johnson and Israel.

First, their deaths are precisely framed by Johnson’s presidency, which was also the context for other political assassinations, such as Martin-Luther King’s. Johnson was in control of the State during the two investigations on John and Robert’s murders.

Secondly, in both cases, we find the fingerprints of Israel’s deep state. In the case of Robert, it is the choice of the manipulated patsy, which was obviously meant to disguise Robert’s assassination as an act of hatred against Israel. In the case of John, it it is the identity of the man asked to kill the patsy, a Jewish gangster linked to the Irgun.

Johnson and Israel, the two common elements in the Kennedy assassinations, are themselves closely linked, since Johnson can be considered as a high-level sayan, a man secretly devoted to Israel, or owned by Israel, to the point of committing high treason against the nation he had been elected to lead and protect.

The causal link between the two assassinations then becomes clear: even if Robert had been pro-Israel, which he was not, Israel and Johnson would still have had a compelling reason to eliminate him before he got to the White House, where he could—and would—reopen the investigation on his brother’s death.

What should have been obvious from the start now appears brightly clear: in order to solve the mystery of the assassination of John Kennedy, one has simply to look into the two other assassinations which are connected to it: the assassination of Lee Harvey Oswald, the man whose trial could have exposed the hoax and possibly put the plotters into the light, and the assassination of Robert Kennedy, the man who would have reopened the case if he had lived. And both these assassinations bear the signature of Israel.

At his death in 1968, Robert Kennedy left eleven orphans, not counting John’s two children, whom he had somewhat adopted. John’s son, John F. Kennedy Jr., aka John John, who had turned three the day of his father’s funeral, embodied the Kennedy myth in the heart of all Americans. The route seemed traced for him to become president one day. He died on July 16, 1999, with his pregnant wife and his sister-in-law, when his private plane suddenly and mysteriously nose-dived into the ocean a few seconds after he had announced his landing on the Kennedy property in Massachusetts.

John John had long been portrayed as a superficial, spoiled and harmless young man. But that image was as misleading as young Halmet’s in Shakespeare’s play. John had serious interest in mind, and, at age 39, he was just entering politics. In 1995 he founded George magazine, which seemed harmless until it began to take an interest in political assassinations. In March 1997, George published a 13-page article by the mother of Yigal Amir, the convicted assassin of Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin. The article was supporting the thesis of a conspiracy by the Israeli far-right. So JFK Jr. was eliminated while following in the footsteps of his father, entering politics through the door of journalism and taking an interest in the crimes of the Israeli deep state. Canadian-Israeli journalist Barry Chamish believes John Kennedy Jr. was assassinated precisely for that.[56]Barry Chamish, “The Murder of JFK Jr – Ten Years Later,” www.barrychamish.com (also on: www.rense.com/general87/tenyrs.htm).

The nonsensical notion of a mysterious curse on the Kennedy family is an obvious smoke screen. The unsolved murders of JFK and his two legitimate heirs—his younger brother and his only son—require a more rational explanation. The sense that the official stories about their deaths amount to a huge cover-up is obsessing the American psyche, a bit like a repressed family secret affecting the whole personality from a subconscious level.

President John Kennedy and his brother are heroic, almost Christ-like figures, in the heart of a growing community of citizens who have become aware of the disastrous longtime effect of their assassinations. Only when the American public at large come to grips with the truth of their deaths and honor their legacy and sacrifice will America have a chance to be redeemed and be great again.

Laurent Guyénot is the author of JFK-9/11: 50 years of Deep State, Progressive Press, 2014, and From Yahweh to Zion: Jealous God, Chosen People, Promised Land … Clash of Civilizations, 2018. ($30 shipping included from Sifting and Winnowing, POB 221, Lone Rock, WI 53556).

Footnotes

[1] Lance deHaven-Smith, Conspiracy Theory in America, University of Texas Press, 2013,kindle 284-292.

[2] John Lewis’ testimony is in the PBS documentary American Experience Robert F. Kennedy.

[3] Associated Press, “RFK children speak about JFK assassination,” January 12, 2013, on www.usatoday.com

[4] David Talbot, Brothers: The Hidden History of the Kennedy Years, Simon & Schuster, 2007, p. 278-280, 305.

[5] David Talbot, Brothers, op. cit., 2007, p. 21-22.

[6] David Talbot, Brothers, op. cit., p. 25-7.

[7] James Hepburn, Farewell America: The Plot to Kill JFK, Penmarin Books, 2002, p. 269.

[8] David Talbot, Brothers, op. cit., p. 312-314.

[9] Extract of TV news in the documentary film Evidence of Revision: Part 4: The RFK assassination as never seen before, 01:11:42

[10] Jerry Cohen, “Yorty Reveals That Suspect’s Memo Set Deadline for Death,” Los Angeles Times, June 6, 1968, pages 1 and 12, on latimesblogs.latimes.com/thedailymirror/2008/06/june-6-1968.html. Jerry Cohen, “Jerusalem-Born Suspect Called An Anti-Semite,” The Salt Lake Tribune, June 6, 1968, on www.newspapers.com. See also Harry Rosenthal, “Senator Kennedy’s support for Israel promoted decision declares Sirhan,” The Telegraph, March 5, 1969, on news.google.com

[11] Sasha Issenberg, “Slaying gave US a first taste of Mideast terror,”Boston Globe, June 5, 2008, on www.boston.com

[12] Jeffrey Salkin, “Remember What Bobby Kennedy Died For,” Forward.com, June 5, 2008. Also Michael Fischbach, “First Shot in Terror War Killed RFK,” Los Angeles Times, June 02, 2003, on articles.latimes.com

[13] Frank Morales, “The Assassination of RFK: A Time for Justice!” June 16, 2012, on www.globalresearch.ca; watch on YouTube, “RFK Assassination 40th Anniversary (2008) Paul Schrade on CNN.”

[14] Philip Melanson, The Robert F. Kennedy Assassination: New Revelations On the Conspiracy And Cover-Up, S.P.I. Books, 1994, p. 25. For a full overview, watch Shane O’Sullivan’s 2007 investigative documentary RFK Must Die: The Assassination of Bobby Kennedy. For more detail, read his book Who Killed Bobby? The Unsolved Murder of Robert F. Kennedy, Union Square Press, 2008. See also Don Schulman’s testimony in The Second Gun (1973), from 42 min 40.

[15] In a parole hearing in 2011, failing to convince the judges for the fourteenth time. Watch on YouTube, “Sirhan Sirhan Denied Parole”: www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsm1hKPI9EU

[16] Shane O’Sullivan, Who Killed Bobby? The Unsolved Murder of Robert F. Kennedy, Union Square Press, 2008, p. 5, 44, 103.

[17] Jacqui Goddard, “Sirhan Sirhan, assassin of Robert F.Kennedy, launches new campaign for freedom 42 years later,” The Telegraph, December 3, 2011, on www.telegraph.co.uk/search/

[18] Colin Ross, Bluebird: Deliberate Creation of Multiple Personality by Psychiatrists, Manitou Communications, 2000,summary on www.wanttoknow.info/bluebird10pg

[19] David B. Green, “Brainwashing and Cross-dressing: Israel’s Assassination Program Laid Bare in Shocking Detail,” Haaretz, February 5, 2018.

[20] Ronald Kessler, The Sins of the Father: Joseph P. Kennedy and the Dynasty He Founded, Hodder & Stoughton, 1996.

[21] The Israel Lobby Archive, www.irmep.org/ila/forrel/

[22] Jeffrey Salkin, “Remember What Bobby Kennedy Died For,op. cit..

[23] Michael Collins Piper, False Flag, op. cit., p. 78.

[24] Tom Mangold, Cold Warrior: James Jesus Angleton: the CIA’s Master Spy Hunter, Simon & Schuster, 1991, p. 318.

[25] Michael Howard Holzman, James Jesus Angleton, the CIA, and the Craft of COunterintelligence, University of Massachusetts Press, 2008, p. 153.

[26] “Assassination studies Kennedy knew a coup was coming,” on Youtube. Image of Arthur Krock’s article is shown on www.youtube.com/watch?v=snE161QnL1U at 1:36.

[27] “Harry Truman Writes: Limit CIA Role to Intelligence,” Washington Post, December 22, 1963, quoted in Mark Lane, Last Word: My Indictment of the CIA in the Murder of JFK, Skyhorse Publishing, 2011, p. 246.

[28] Thomas Troy, “Truman on CIA,” September 22, 1993, on www.cia.gov ; Sidney Krasnoff, Truman and Noyes: Story of a President’s Alter Ego, Jonathan Stuart Press, 1997.

[29] Michael Collins Piper, False Flags: Template for Terror, American Free Press, 2013, p. 67.

[30] James Douglass, JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters, Touchstone, 2008, p. 46.

[31] George de Mohrenschilldt, I am a Patsy! on jfkassassination.net/russ/jfkinfo4/jfk12/hscapatsy.htm

[32] Read the Sheriff’s Office report on mcadams.posc.mu.edu/death2.txt

[33] Meir Doron, Confidential: The Life of Secret Agent Turned Hollywood Tycoon – Arnon Milchan, Gefen Books, 2011, p. xi.

[34] Stuart Winer, “Hollywood producer Arnon Milchan reveals past as secret agent,” The Times of Israel, November 25, 2013, on www.timesofisrael.com ; Meir Doron, Confidential: The Life of Secret Agent Turned Hollywood Tycoon – Arnon Milchan, Gefen Books, 2011, p. xi

[35] Mickey Cohen, In My Own Words, Prentice-Hall, 1975, p. 91-92.

[36] Michael Collins Piper, Final Judgment: The Missing Link in the JFK Assassination Conspiracy, American Free Press, 6th ed., ebook 2005, p. 133-155, 226.

[37] William Kunstler, My Life as a Radical Lawyer, Carol Publishing, 1994, p. 158; Steve North, “Lee Harvey Oswald’s Killer ‘Jack Ruby’ Came From Strong Jewish Background,” The Forward, November 17, 2013, on forward.com

[38] Bryan Edward Stone, The Chosen Folks: Jews on the Frontiers of Texas, University of Texas Press, 2010, p. 200.

[39] John Hughes-Wilson, JFK-An American Coup d’État: The Truth Behind the Kennedy Assassination, John Blake, 2014.

[40] Natasha Mozgovaya, “Prominent Jewish-American politician Arlan Specter dies at 82,” Haaretz, October 14, 2012, on www.haaretz.com.

[41] Alan Hart,Zionism: The Real Enemy of the Jews, vol. 2: David Becomes Goliath, Clarity Press, 2009, p. 273.

[42] Warren Bass, Support any Friend: Kennedy’s Middle East and the Making of the U.S.-Israel Alliance, 2003, p. 219.

[43] Quoted in George and Douglas Ball, The Passionate Attachment: America’s Involvement With Israel, 1947 to the Present, W.W. Norton & Co., 1992, p. 51.

[44] Philip Muehlenbeck, Betting on the Africans: John F. Kennedy’s Courting of African Nationalist Leaders, Oxford UP, 2012.

[45] Listen to Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi on the topic on www.youtube.com/watch?v=PV4kvhs8I8E

[46] Phillip Nelson, LBJ: The Mastermind of JFK’s Assassination, XLibris, 2010, p. 372.

[47] Quoted in Phillip Nelson, LBJ: The Mastermind, op. cit., p. 17.

[48] Patrick Howley, “Why Jack Ruby was probably part of the Kennedy conspiracy,” The Daily Caller, March 14, 2014, on dailycaller.com

[49] Read Ruby’s deposition on jfkmurdersolved.com/ruby.htm

[50] See on YouTube, “Jack Ruby Talks.”

[51] Seymour Hersh, The Samson Option: Israel’s Nuclear Arsenal and American Foreign Policy, Random House, 1991, p. 94-97.

[52] Arthur Schlesinger, A Thousand Days: John Kennedy in the White House (1965), Mariner Books, 2002, p. 56; Alan Hart, Zionism, vol. 2, op. cit., p. 257.

[53] Phillip Nelson, LBJ: The Mastermind, op; cit., p. 320.

[54] Morris Smith, “Our First Jewish President Lyndon Johnson? – an update!!,” 5 Towns Jewish Times, April 11, 2013, on 5tjt.com.

[55] Stephen Green, Taking Sides: America’s Secret Relations With a Militant Israel, William Morrow & Co., 1984, p. 166.

[56] Barry Chamish, “The Murder of JFK Jr – Ten Years Later,” www.barrychamish.com (also on: www.rense.com/general87/tenyrs.htm).

 
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  1. Biff says:

    Truman was hinting at the CIA’s role in toppling foreign governments and assassinating elected leaders abroad.

    Motive and the means to get it done. I always thought the CIA was suspect, but obviously there are more angles to the story. Good article.

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  2. My interest in this is as the reader of a good thriller which I can excuse myself spending time on because it is just possible that I shall learn something about the real world including important levels of government. So… no dog in any fight. But I am alerted to conventional journalistic slickness by such foolishness as the snide and inaccurate statement that Alan Dershowitz is best known as counsel for Jonathan Pollard. Also the slippery statement that a connection between the two brothers’ assassinations should be “assumed”. (Obviously it is worth asking a few questions such as “could there be common motives but that sort of intelligent lateral thinking is not what the author was talking about).

    Arthur J. Schlesinger is mentioned so why not his careful journal re ord of what RFK had to say about his brother’s assassination. A recent NYRB article suggests that, while he didn’t think much of the Warren Commission’s work, his suspicions only extended to Cuba and “gangsters”.

    A recent TV series (not mentioned herw) using recently declassified material does strongly suggest that Oswald was relying for support on a group if fiercely anti-Castro Cubans who had been infiltrated by a Castro man. Not difficult to see why in the end he might have thought he was a patsy. Also there is no mention here of the at least plausible theory that the fatal bullet was one accidentally fired by a Secret Serviceman in the car behind.

    The total rubbish about JFK Jr’s plane crash also serves to undermine credibility and support the view that this is written by someone suffering a severe case of confirmation bias.

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  3. j2 says:

    A very good article. With my limited studies on the JFK murder I came to the same conclusion: Piper was essentially correct, but you fill up the case of Robert Kennedy in a convincing way. Maybe Meyer Lansky could be mentioned, he probably had some role. But the issue was the bomb.

    • Agree: Iris
  4. Al Moenee says:

    The truth is that Robert Kennedy was much despised by Israel and its Jewish-American lobby of the time, the American Zionist Council (AZC) and was considered a major foe. After many months of back and forth, on Oct 11, 1963 the New York law firm representing the AZC received a formal written demand from Attorney General RFK’s office to immediately (72 hours) proceed to register as foreign agents under the Foreign Agents Registration Act of 1938. Forms for said registration accompanied the letter. This would have upended the AZC’s operations and rendered it or any subsequent Israeli lobby (AIPAC) – near powerless.

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  5. We all know that Jack and Bobby were killed by lone nutcases three years apart and there can’t possibly be any connection between them. Stop messing about with the Official Narrative.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  6. Plonee says:

    DEAD PRECEDENTS

    To leaders of the tribe deep with dread
    Two brothers once seriously said:
    “Shut your lobby this fall,
    and in Dimona show all”
    How serious were they? Dead.

  7. LondonBob says:

    The JFK assasination is a very interesting whodunnit and the couple of books I have read on it led to me to the very same conclusion as the author. A lot of credit must go to Piper. I think Gary Wean was correct, there was a plot to stage a fake assasination attempt on JFK within which the actual assasination was hidden, presumably overseen by Angleton. Too many who knew better were looking the other way, and their effective complicity made them very interested in a cover up.

  8. Israel was created by the British oligarchs as a bridgehead in the Middle East. Furthering Israel was/is furthering the interests of those oligarchs (who ran the British Empire which morphed to the Anglo-American Empire). JFK was critical of Israel. If someone killed him, it the Anglo-American deep state. Israel likely pulled the trigger. Let’s remember what the fake father of Modern Zionism who admired Cecil Rhodes, Theodor Herl said:

    “England will get ten million agents for her greatness and influence.”

    A parallel could also be established between the killing of JFK and the “Six-Day War” of 1967 …

    In 1954, Israeli teamed with the Muslim Brotherhood to plant explosives in American and British offices to start a civil war to prompt the presence of British troops. The failed terror plot was known as the “Lavon Affair”.

    In 1956, Israel (supported by Britain and France) invaded Egypt to retake the Suez Canal nationalized by Nasser. Deterring Nasser who had crushed the Muslim Brotherhood (a British machination aimed at keeping Muslim nations backwards culturally and economically (https://bit.ly/2J06YDO)) was also another primary objective. Einsenhower was the one who tenaciously worked on removing Israel from Egypt but it didn’t come easy:

    1956-1957: England and France removed their troops following Einsenhower’s advise but Israel did not. As a result, Eisenhower joined the 75 countries at the UN General Assembly (February 1957) to pass a resolution against Israel’s occupation of Egyptian territory. Despite that, Israel still refused to remove its troops. It made Einsenhower reach out to the Congress but it was heavily bought out by Zionists and the end-result was to no avail.. When that failed, Einsenhower met with congressional leaders to gather support but even they were in support of Israel. Einsenhower then went on TV to make the case public. After which he threatened Israel with sanctions (including the $40M of tax deductible donations and $60M of private bonds). Making the case public and threatening economically worked – Israel withdrew its troops.

    The failed invasion was a major blow to Britain (who’s PM resigned) France and Israel (who destroyed everything on its way out).

    In spite of the mendacious narrative regurgitated in the West about the war of 1967, it was Israel who planned and attacked its neighbors. The seizing of the Golan Heights, the West Bank and Gaza were objectives Israel couldn’t achieve in 1948 and deterring Nasser, an objective failed in 1956. The only problem Israel had was: would another US President intervene. Norman Finkelstein, who’s research on 1967 is to date unchallenged successfully, showed that Israel sent diplomats to Washington

    • The U.S. agreed with Israel that Nasser had no plans to attack.

    • The U.S. agreed that Israel would easily defeat Egypt on the battlefield, either alone or with any combination of other Arab nations.

    • And the U.S. tacitly gave Israel permission to start the war, or at least indicated there would be no repeat of Eisenhower’s repudiation after the 1956 Suez invasion.

    http://mondoweiss.net/2017/06/provoked-fighting-survival/

    “No repeat of Einsehower’s repudication”.

    We all know who followed JFK. None other than absolute bent-over to Israel, Lyndon Johnson.

    ———

    If I could make a parallel on the Palestinians: it’s “interesting” how they always found themselves in the spotlight of major plots, killings and terror acts after the creation of the British Zionist State known as Israel. One has to only remember the airplane hijackings, Munich, etc. Coincidentally, most of those Palestinians were all led by the infamous Abu Nidal – who was never apprehended while the rest of the Palestinians were either killed or arrested.

    The case of 9/11 wasn’t any different. The five dancing Israelis, who were “documenting the event” from New Jersey proclaimed – while being arrested:

    “We are Israelis. We are not your problem. Your problems are our problems. The Palestinians are your problem.”

    Ari Ben-Menashe, in his book “Profits of War : Inside the Secret U.S.-Israeli Arms Network” spoke of the CIA and the Mossad covertly training Palestinians in Yugoslavia to have them attack Western targets. The ultimate goal was to draw negative attention and sentiment against their cause.

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  9. Most of the information was from the book Nemesis: The True Story of Aristotle Onassis, Jackie O, and the Love Triangle That Brought Down the Kennedys, by Peter Evans.

    In December 1971 Aristotle Onassis’s ex-wife Tina met with their daughter Christina to ask her to stop bad-mouthing her current husband Stavros Niarchos, a man long hated by Aristotle Onassis. Christina was Niarcho’s niece and step-daughter, since he had been married to Tina’s sister Eugenie and was now married to Tina herself. Among the accusations that Christina kept repeating about Niarchos was that he had murdered Eugenie. In order to give Christina a broader perspective, Tina informed Christina that her father Aristotle had financed the assassination of Robert Kennedy.

    The next day Christina passed this information on to her brother Alexander Onassis, who subsequently placed some related papers into a safe-deposit box. After that, Alexander told his lover Fiona Thyssen that these papers would prevent his father Aristotle from harming Fiona, a woman long hated by Aristotle Onassis. Since Fiona was 16 years older than Alexander, Aristotle considered her to be a gold-digger and wanted her out of Alexander’s life.

    Several months later Alexander showed some of his papers to Yannis Georgakis, a lawyer who was close to the entire Onassis family. The papers included photocopies of pages from the notebooks of Sirhan Sirhan, who had assassinated Robert Kennedy. During the weeks before the assassination, Sirhan would place himself into a hypnotic state and write stream-of-conscious thoughts into a notebook. On one page Sirhan had written at the center of a roundel, amid Arabic writing, the single name Fiona. On another page he had written 2 Narkos!. On a third page, between the lines One Hundred thousand Dollars and Dollars and One Hundreds, Sirhan had written in Arabic: they should be killed, next to which he had written the number three.

    It was obvious to Tina, Christina and Alexander that for some reason Sirhan had been hypnotized into a fixation on killing three people — Fiona Thyssen, Stavros Niarchos, and Robert Kennedy — who had long been fiercely hated by Aristotle Onassis.

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    [MORE]

    In the fall of 1974 a 34-year-old photographer Helene Gaillet was stranded in Paris on her way to a job in Africa, because the job was canceled. A year earlier she had met Aristotle Onassis at a dinner party in New York, and he had told her to call him if she ever needed a place to stay in Paris. She called his number but was told he was away on his private island, Skorpios, in the Aegean Sea. Several minutes later, however, Onassis returned her call and invited her to join him in Skorpios. He would fly her there at his own expense. She accepted his invitation and subsequently spent several days with him there.

    During that time they had a short affair, which included a series of intimate conversations about their lives. By that time his health was failing (he died four months later), so he was in a confessional mood. During one of those conversations he told her, “You know, Helene, I put up the money for Bobby Kennedy’s murder.”

    =====

    In May 1968 the above-mentioned lawyer Yannis Georgakis was serving as the chief executive officer of Olympic Airways, which was owned by Aristotle Onassis. Georgakis was informed by a Mossad official serving in Israel’s embassy in Paris that Onassis was meeting regularly in Paris with a Palestinian terrorist named Mahmoud Hamshari. About a week later Onassis informed Georgakis that a Palestinian terrorist group had demanded $1.2 million in protection money from Olympic Airlines, threatening to blow up the company’s airliners if the money was not paid. Onassis said he had reached an agreement with Hamshari and now needed $200,000 from the company’s funds to pay the first installment of the protection money. Onassis assured Georgakis that the subsequent installment payments would be arranged “off the books” and channeled through Onassis’s Panama corporations.

    Reluctantly, Georgakis agreed to provide the $200,000. He asked to be included in any future negotiations between Onassis and Hamshari, but Onassis assured him that the entire agreement had already been settled and that no further negotiations should occur.

    Onassis flew to New York with the $200,000 in cash. He put all the money into a shopping bag and gave it to his long-time chauffeur, Roosevelt Zanders, who personally delivered the money to someone in an apartment at United Nations Plaza. As instructed by Onassis, Zanders did not ask for a receipt for the money.

    To be continued.
    Continued from my previous comment at 7:08 a.m.

    =====

    In January 1954 Aristotle Onassis signed a secret agreement with Saudi Arabia’s finance minister. The agreement basically said that Onassis would provide Saudi Arabia with its own fleet of oil tankers. Saudi Arabia expected that its ownership of such a fleet would help that country to become independent of Western petroleum companies, to earn a fuller share of profits, and eventually to nationalize the entire industry on its territory. Onassis expected to earn hundreds of millions of dollars for his role in the arrangement.

    Despite the secrecy, however, the US Government soon learned of the deal and during the following months employed a variety of methods to undermine it. The US Justice Department found fault with Onassis’s past purchases of oil tankers and subsequently seized his tankers and also money he had earned from those tankers. In February 1954 the Justice Department arrested Onassis himself and charged him with criminal conspiracy to buy the tankers illegally. The State Department pressured the Saudi government to disassociate itself from Onassis. Arrangements were made for Peru to seize nine of Onassis’s whaling ships. One of Onassis’s business associates was pressured to sue Onassis for swindling him out of $200,000 and to accuse Onassis of paying a $350,000 bribe to the Saudi finance minister. Eventually in October 1954 King Saud decided not to assign the agreement, which therefore became void. All these developments almost bankrupted Onassis.

    Most of Onassis’s anger about the collapse of the Saudi deal was misdirected toward Robert Kennedy, who in 1954 was a 29-year-old attorney working on the staff of a Senate subcommittee. One of Kennedy’s investigations for the subcommittee had raised accusations about shipping business that some Greek companies conducted with Red China, but this issue did not involve Onassis in particular. Kennedy did not play any apparent role in the seizure of Onassis’s assets or in his arrest. The business associate who sued Onassis hired as an expert witness an accountant who had worked for Robert’s father Joseph Kennedy for many years, but that accountant had no direct association with Robert Kennedy himself.

    In fact Robert Kennedy had nothing at all to do with the US Government’s discovery of Onassis’s Saudi deal. The CIA station in Athens had been informed about it by another Greek shipper, Stavros Niarchos, who was Onassis’s brother-in-law (the two men were married to two sisters). Niarchos had heard about the deal from Onassis’s wife Tina, who was involved in a love affair with Niarchos.

    In order to protect the real source of its information, the CIA cleverly encouraged Onassis’s initial reaction that the deal had been exposed during Kennedy’s investigation of the Greek shippers who did business with Red China. For example, the accountant of Robert Kennedy’s father was apparently moved into and out of the lawsuit in order to inflame Onassis’s suspicions about Kenned’s role in the matter. Niarchos himself certainly collaborated in the continuing effort to divert Onassis’s anger away from himself and onto Kennedy. And in the following years Kennedy himself publicly criticized Onassis on many occasions, which further enraged Onassis.

    =====

    In the early 1960s Onassis became closely involved in several business enterprises with a fellow Greek ex-patriot, Spyros Skouras, who had immigrated to the United States in 1912. Skouras became a movie producer and during that career, he clashed angrily several times with Joseph Kennedy, who was also a movie producer. In May 1962 Skouras’s movie studio was losing millions of dollars in the filming of Cleopatra and Something’s Got to Give. The latter movie starred Marilyn Monroe, who was extraordinarily capricious and absent during the filming. In conversations with Onassis, Skouras blamed Monroe’s misbehavior on Robert Kennedy, her secret lover. Skouras knew about this affair (and about Monroe’s earlier affair with John Kennedy) and informed Onassis.

    Exasperated by the problems and losses caused by these two films, Skouras decided to leave the movie business and to establish a shipping business. Onassis invested $10 million in Skouras’s shipping business, which intended to introduce new loading and unloading technology that would require far fewer longshoremen. Because of this manpower issue, Onassis became involved in negotiations with Jimmy Hoffa, the chief of the Teamsters labor union and also a hater of Robert Kennedy, who was then the US Attorney General.

    During this same time, Onassis began a love affair with Lee Radziwill, the younger sister of Jacqueline Kennedy. Lee and her husband Prince Stanislas Radziwill were each divorced from previous spouses when they married each other, so they married in a civil wedding instead of a Roman Catholic wedding. Since John Kennedy was now President of the United States, Robert Kennedy used the family’s prestige to try to convince the Catholic Church to annul the Radziwills’ previous marriages. This effort (and the Kennedy family’s reputation) was endangered by publicity about Lee’s affair with Onassis, and so Robert Kennedy phoned Onassis directly and asked him to stay away from Lee. Onassis responded with the words, “Bobby, you and Jack fuck your movie queen [Monroe] and I’ll fuck my princess [Radziwill].” Onassis thus revealed to Robert Kennedy that he knew about the Kennedy-Monroe affairs, which were still very secret.

    Also during this same time, Hoffa learned (perhaps from Onassis) about the Kennedy brothers’ affairs with Monroe and so he bugged Monroe’s home and telephones to record related conversations. Through these recordings, Hoffa learned that Monroe and Robert Kennedy had met in Monroe’s home on August 4, 1962, a few hours before she died of an overdose and that some of Kennedy’s associates had subsequently entered her house during the period between her death and the notification of the police. Hoffa apparently hinted to Onassis about the existence of these tape recordings, since Onassis asked Monroe’s publicist whether he knew anything about them, offering to pay big money to buy them.

    =====

    During the following months Robert Kennedy communicated subtle threats in order to pressure Onassis to stay away from Lee Radziwill. The main thrust of these threats was that Kennedy would exploit his position as US Attorney General to cause legal problems for Onassis and his businesses. This pressure backfired, as Onassis arranged for Radziwill to live blatantly with him on his yacht. The feud escalated dramatically in September 1963, when Jackie herself also moved onto the yacht for a few weeks in order to convalesce from a miscarriage. Robert Kennedy responded by continuing his subtle threats against Onassis, and Onassis responded by seducing Jacqueline on the yacht.

    Refreshed by her affair with Onassis, Jacqueline returned to the White House. A few weeks later, on November 22, 1963, John Kennedy was assassinated. At Jacqueline’s invitation, Onassis came and stayed in the White House during the funeral days. Robert Kennedy confronted Onassis in the White House, and they eventually engaged in a ridiculous argument that embarrassed Onassis in front of the other guests. Kennedy wrote up a written statement for Onassis to sign, promising to donate half of his wealth to the poor, and Onassis signed the paper with Greek words that nullified the promise.

    In the months following the assassination, Jacqueline wanted to quickly marry Onassis, but this desire was discouraged by Robert Kennedy, who now headed the Kennedy family. Robert Kennedy managed to prevent the marriage as long as he lived. He was assassinated on June 5, 1968. Onassis then married Jacqueline on October 20.

    =====

    To be continued.
    Continued from my previous comments.

    =====

    In January 1968 David Karr arranged for Mahmoud Hamshari, also known as Dr. Michel Hassner, to be introduced to Aristotle Onassis. Karr introduced Dr. Michel Hassner to Onassis’s circle as an expert in aviation finance who would propose a restructuring of the debt of Onassis’s Olympic Airline. Eventually, Hamshari (aka Hassner), using money provided by Onassis, arranged for Sirhan Sirhan to assassinate Robert Kennedy.

    David Karr had known Onassis since 1956. Karr worked in many varied jobs during his life, but at that time he managed a public relations company that specialized in helping companies that were involved in proxy fights in corporate takeovers. It might be more accurate to say that Karr was specialized in performing dirty tricks for his clients. He collected and distributed (or threatened to distribute) scandalous information about his clients’ opponents. By 1967 Onassis was using Karr for a variety of secret tasks; in that year, for example, he asked Karr to ask Soviet officials about possibly supplying crude oil for a refinery he considered building near Athens. Onassis’s closest associates wondered about that assignment, because Karr had no expertise related to the petroleum business or to the Soviet Union. Onasssis’s trust in Karr was a mystery.

    At some point in his own past, while working as a movie producer in Hollywood, Karr had become acquainted with William Joseph Bryan, Jr., a local hypnotist. Bryan’s American Institute of Hypnosis treated people in the film industry for alcohol and drug additions, and he had served as the technical adviser on the filming of the movie The Manchurian Candidate. Karr gave Bryan’s phone number to Hamshari and advised him to visit Bryan. Karr later said he referred Hamshari to Bryan because Hamshari complained that he suffered headaches whenever he visited Los Angeles, which he did frequently during 1967 and 1968.

    ==============

    In the summer of 1979 Karr contacted Leslie Linder, a former movie agent, whom Karr had known while he worked in the movie business. Karr wanted Linder to represent his proposed memoirs, which would include a revelation that Onassis had played a key role in the assassination of Robert Kennedy. Linder was interested and scheduled another discussion of the proposal again with the added participation of Oscar Beuselinck, a London lawyer.

    In the meantime, Karr departed for a business meeting in Moscow, where he planned to open a big hotel. He remarked that he had all the evidence of the Onassis story in Paris, and he promised to call Linder and Beuselinck as soon as he returned from Moscow.

    Karr was found dead in his Paris apartment on the morning of July 7, 1979. He had a fractured larynx, and blood was found on his pillow. A forensic examination concluded he had died of a heart attack, but his widow Evia Karr and his business partner Ronnie Driver insist that Karr was murdered by agents of the Palestine Liberation Organization.

    Continued from my previous comments

    =====

    Mahmoud Hamshari was born in a village near Jaffa in 1939 and eventually became an important official in the Palestinian Fatah. In June 1967, following the Six-Day War, he attended a Fatah meeting in Damascus to discuss further strategy. The meeting’s participants represented a broad scope of attitudes within Fatah, and Hamshari appeared to be among the most aggressive. When he spoke, he focused his anger on US support of Israel and proposed actions that would attack the US. In particular, he proposed the Fatah “kill a high-profile American on American soil” in order to make the US “think twice about backing the Jews.”

    This proposal seemed to earn little explicit support at the meeting, so Hamshari then proposed that the organization greatly increase its fund-raising activities in the US, in order to manipulate the US to support the Palestinians too. Fatah apparently adopted this proposal and assigned Hamshari himself to implement it, operating under the supervision of Fatah’s intelligence chief, Abu Iyad (Salah Khalef). In the following months, Hamshari began to travel to Europe and the United States, using several false names, including Dr. Michel Hassner. Late in 1967 a Fatah official gave Hamshari a list of Palestinian immigrants living in Los Angeles. The list had been acquired from the United Nations Relief and Works Agency, which had records on the Sirhan family, then living in Los Angeles.

    =====

    In some unknown circumstances, Dr. Hassner (Hamshari) began to associate frequently with David Karr, a mysterious associate of Aristotle Onassis. Karr did not introduce Hassner to Onassis directly, but instead introduced him indirectly into Onassis’s nner circle as an investment consultant for Arab Bank, specializing in the restructuring of airline debts. Such expertise was of interest because Onassis’s Olympic airline was struggling with debts. A meeting between Hassner and Onassis was scheduled for a day in January 1968 in Paris, but Onassis left for Athens unexpectedly right before the meeting. Therefore Hassner met instead with several members of Onassis’s inner circle. The airline’s chief executive officer, Yannis Georgakis, was not informed about the meeting by Onassis and so did not participate.

    At this meeting, Hassner revealed to the group that he had been approached by a Palestinian terror group who demanded that the airline pay $350,000 to the group so that they not blow up bombs on Olympic airliners. Hassner said he was acting only as an honest broker, a facilitator, and did not know the identities of the terrorists, who had contacted him through the Palestine National Fund.

    After Onassis returned to Paris, he began to meet frequently in Paris with Hassner, the two alone. Between meetings, Hassner sometimes traveled to Los Angeles and back. Karr says that during this period he gave Hassner the phone number of a Los Angeles hypnotist named William Joseph Bryan, Jr.

    Georgakis, the CEO of Olympic, heard about Hassner for the first time in May 1968. He heard about him not from Onassis, but from a Mossad official stationed at the Israeli embassy in Paris. Onassis himself informed Georgakis about a week later, saying that he had already decided to pay $1.2 million (no longer just $350,000) to Hassner and that Georgakis should provide the first $200,000 in cash from Olympic funds. Georgakis complied, and Onassis subsequently flew with the cash to New York, where his chauffeur delivered it to an apartment at United Nations Plaza.

    =====

    To be continued.

    Allow me to conclude with one more passage.

    =====

    On the evening of June 4, 1968, an itinerant Christian preacher named Jerry Owen (he himself said) parked a horse trailer outside the Ambassador Hotel in Los Angeles, where Robert Kennedy’s campaign organization had scheduled its anticipated victory following the California primary elections. Later that night, Sirhan assassinated Kennedy in the hotel. The next day, Owen reported to the Los Angeles police that he had picked up Sirhan and a young woman hitchhiking on June 3. During the course of that meeting, Owen said, Sirhan had agreed to buy a horse from Owen on the night of June 4 in the hotel parking lot. That deal, explained Owen, was why he himself had parked his horse trailer in the parking lot and why Sirhan had four one-hundred-dollar bills in his pocket when he was arrested. Owen further surmised that Sirhan intended to use the horse trailer as a get-away vehicle.

    The Police basically dismissed Owen’s report as a publicity stunt. (In 1970 this incident was examined in a lawsuit that Owen filed against a television station. During that trial, several witnessed testified that Owen had become acquainted with Sirhan at the Corona race track, where on one occasion a few weeks before the assassination Owen had given Sirhan a large wad of cash)

    Immediately after he was arrested, Sirhan declared that “I did it for my country.” Within a few minutes, though, he began avoiding any discussion of his motive. He instead wanted to talk with the investigating policemen about Albert DeSalvo, the so-called Boston Strangler. Later, Sirhan claimed that he had no memory of anything about the assassination, about his intention, about his notebooks, or about the act itself. During his trial he reluctantly allowed his lawyers to construct a legal defense of diminished responsibility due to mental illness.

    Sirhan was not hypnotized by himself or anyone else in order to manipulate him to assassinate Robert Kennedy. Even without the hypnosis, Sirhan was willing and eager to assassinate Kennedy because of the latter’s support for Israel. The initial purpose of Sirhan’s self-hypnosis was to focus his mind and bolster courage for this difficult mission. Eventually, though, the hypnosis served also as a legal excuse to try to avoid execution. The notebook served as evidence that he was often in deep trances and so plausibly had no memory of the assassination. Also, the hypnosis deflected political blame from the Palestinian cause as Sirhan’s main motivation.

    Sirhan hoped that if he could avoid execution, then eventually he would be freed in a prisoner swap forced by Palestinian terrorists. He was sentenced to death, but later that sentence was commuted when the Supreme Court declared the death penalty to be unconstitutional.

    Sirhan mentioned Albert DeSalvo repeatedly in his notebooks and at the police station immediately after his arrest. DeSalvo had been hypnotized by a Los Angeles hypnotist named William Joseph Bryan. After he died in 1977, a couple of prostitutes whom he frequently hired told investigators that he sometimes bragged that he had hypnotized Albert DeSalvo and Sirhan Sirhan.

  10. ‘…Given this exceptional bond between the Kennedy brothers, what is the probability that the two Kennedy assassinations were unrelated? ‘

    On the face of it, the probability would be about the same as it would be if they hadn’t been particularly close.

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  11. Heros says:

    “Did the Rothschilds kill the Kennedies” FIFY.

    They most certainly did. They stole US enriched plutonium and triggers for Israel’s continuing illegal nuclear weapons programs. They also whipped up the entire cold war and the Vietnam war as a cover for the genocide and theft of Palestine. They passed nuclear weapons research through jews like the Rosenbergs and Pollard to their other puppet, the USSR, so that the US and the entire planet could be kept under their strategy of tension while they set up the capital of the planet in Jerusalem.

    But that is all merely frosting on the cake. This family and its satellites started the American Revolution, the French Revolution, the US war of northern aggression, the Spanish-American war, WWI, WWII, the Korean War and is directly responsible for the never ending wars for Eretz Israel. With their Havara agreement, this family set up all the jews that it deemed racially inferior to suffer through WWII in Europe while it forced the National Socialists to set up training centers to train young Zionist Übermenschen in all facets of German technology before shipping them, with their belongings, tools and equipment to Palestine. It is also amazing that immediately after the war they twisted Germany’s arm into resuming the shipments of technology, power stations, trains and ships.

    Israel clearly is not a legal state in any sense of the word. It is the capital of by far the worlds largest crime syndicate. It is a scourge to all humanity.

  12. Greg Bacon says: • Website

    Jack Ruby’s real name was Jacob Rubenstein, a Chosen One who participated in the horrendous murder of a beloved US president.

    If you read those CIA docs released last Fall, there was one page that specifically mentioned that Jews were involved in JFK’s murder.

    “We now have plenty of money–our new backers are Jews–as soon as we or (they) take care of Kennedy.”

    Go to page 64 of this file:

    https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32241845.pdf

    JFK had also told an aide that Israel would have the ‘bomb’ over his dead body. Well, Israel has the bomb and control of the USA, thanks to their murders of the Kennedy’s and the masterminding of the 9/11 False Flag.

    But if you point this out, you’ll get hit with a barrage of anti-Semite slurs, accusing one of being a neo-Nazi or worse, all the while never discussing what you just wrote.

    • Replies: @FKA Max
  13. j2 says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    “A recent NYRB article suggests that, while he didn’t think much of the Warren Commission’s work, his suspicions only extended to Cuba and “gangsters”.”

    Cuba casinos and crime were run by Meyer Lansky. You immediately get the Israel connection as he was a great fried of Israel. Cuban gangsters are implied in the conspiracy to kill JFK, but that is a link to the theory of Piper. To find the high level perpetrators it is only enough to ask what important US politics changed when LBJ become the President. Towards Cuba or gangsters, no.

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    , @Jon Baptist
  14. Thank you for not resorting to clickbait headlines.

  15. Jake says:

    Did Israel kill the Kennedys? It is entirely possible. In fact, any conspiracy theory that links the murders that does not see the Israelis and American Jews involved is almost certainly a waste of time.

    But here is what is essential: if Israel and/or American Jews ‘did it,’ you can bet your every penny and the lives of your children, spouse, and siblings that America’s WASP Deep State was behind it all.

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  16. Florin 74 says:

    read “Final Judgment” by Michael Collins Piper.

    Johnson’s involvement in the USS Liberty incident (an effort to lie us into a war for Israel) should not be viewed in isolation.

    http://americanfreepress.net/PDF/Final_Judgment.pdf

  17. n230099 says:

    And then there’s another old take on the subject …’who cares as long as someone did?’

  18. @Heros

    …while they set up the capital of the planet in Jerusalem.

    And while blaming Germany for wanting to control the world, a preternaturally preposterous proposition, but believed by the gulled masses to this day.

  19. Once this guy writes, “Given this exceptional bond between the Kennedy brothers, what is the probability that the two Kennedy assassinations were unrelated? Rather, we should start with the assumption that they are related. Basic common sense suggests that the Kennedy brothers have been killed by the same force, and for the same motives,” there is really no point in reading further. If his reasoning is so weak and silly as this, what confidence can a reader have in anything else he might come up with? Two women tried to kill Gerald Ford in 1975; does “basic common sense suggest” that they represented “the same force”? Robert Kennedy and Martin Luther King were both killed in 1968; does that suggest their murders were related? This guy belongs on Infowars.

    • Replies: @j2
  20. Aardvark says:
    @Heros

    I had long thought the shareholders of the Federal Reserve (FR) were behind the assasination. Kennedy had signed the executive order to forbid the FR from charging interest on its fraud money. He had also proposed the issuance of United States Notes backed by silver. This would have denied the FR a lot of future income.
    Later events by Johnson surely indicated he was at least a water boy for the FR. Johnson went on to sign the coin act that removed silver from dimes and quarters and reduced the amount of silver in fifty cent coins. He also removed the gold cover requirement for Federal Reserve notes.
    At the very least there were two reasons to get rid of Kennedy; stop the Dimona project and remove jeopardy to FR income.

  21. Aardvark says:
    @Aardvark

    I meant to say stop Kennedy from halting the Dimona project.

  22. Miro23 says:

    It is the same Feinberg who, after the Democratic primaries in 1960, made the following proposal to Kennedy, as Kennedy himself later reported to his friend Charles Bartlett: “We know your campaign is in trouble. We’re willing to pay your bills if you’ll let us have control of your Middle East policy.”

    Whatever the details of the blackmail, Kennedy once confided to his assistant Hyman Raskin, as an apology for taking Johnson, “I was left with no choice […] those bastards were trying to frame me. They threatened me with problems and I don’t need more problems.”

    I wonder if Trump is confiding in anyone? If he is, it would be interesting to hear what he’s saying.

  23. @quasi_verbatim

    “We all know that Jack and Bobby were killed by lone nutcases three years apart and there can’t possibly be any connection between them. Stop messing about with the Official Narrative.”

    Maybe the Magic Bullet got Bobby too.

    In any case, the involvement of Israel would explain why the complete JFK assassination files will never see the light of day. Even the CIA doesn’t have that kind of clout.

  24. @j2

    My comment was about the author’s failure to take account of one of tbe best sources for what RFK thought and proposed. Obviously that suggests the question whether it was sloppy research or dishonest suppression.

    As to your Meyer Lansky point you do not indicate whether you have any serious claim to knowing anything useful about him and/or his connection to Israel but surely it is rubbish to talk of his interest in Cuban casinos being relevant. Really!? In 1963? And anyway you would only be making sense if you were asserting – with reason – that RFK felt constrained to use to his friend Schlesinger “Cubans or gangsters” as code for Israel.
    Or, conceivably you think RFK didn’t know what you know about the involvement of Israel but wanted a further inquiry which might have produced an embarrassing truth about Israel. Really?

    • Replies: @j2
  25. Not only did Israel kill JFK and RFK but they also killed JFKjr. with a bomb on his plane and the Israelis did 911 and by the way the Israeli attack on the USS LIBERTY where 34 dead and 174 were wounded in brutal attack on an American ship and every one of these diabolical act proved over and over again that Israel and the Zionists control America lock stock and gun barrel.

    America is an Israeli slavery colony and the America military is a proxy arm of the IDF to fight Israels wars .

    • Troll: Wizard of Oz
  26. This whole article on Israeli angle is simply preposterous.

    If the Dimona project was so crucial, there were numerous other options for Israel to try to persuade JFK to let them proceed with their project. To try to latch JFK’s supposedly adamant decision onto one or two documents is absurd: politicians frequently change their opinions & actions and there is no proof that JFK considered Dimona to be such a big deal, make-or-break of anything.

    Then, Israelis would, even if this were true, be more prone too blackmail JFK- mostly about his sexual escapades, or try to, say, eliminate him in a clandestine manner (poisoning or something similar).

    No, the JFK assassination was a public execution, a coup by the deep state (in modern parlance) in front of the whole world, the message being: we can do whatever we want & you can’t do anything about it.

  27. vinteuil says:
    @Heros

    …This family and its satellites started the American Revolution, the French Revolution, the US war of northern aggression, the Spanish-American war, WWI, WWII, the Korean War…

    Hmmm – sounds like a family of winners. So how do I sign up with them?

    • Replies: @Heros
    , @sarz
  28. @j2

    Lansky killed Kennedy for Israel and for mob interests within the U.S. Knock off one president and reap multiple benefits. Lansky was a fanatical Zionist as well as a crime boss. The JFK hit is all about Permindex and the Lansky-Marcello connection.

    The following is from ‘Final Judgement’ by Michael Collins Piper. “Tibor Rosenbaum was one of the godfathers of the state of Israel and the first director for finance and supply for Israel’s intelligence agency, the Mossad. Rosenbaum was a prime financial angel behind the Permindex corporation. His Swiss banking concern, the Banque De Credit International, also served as the chief European money laundry or the global crime syndicate of Miami-based crime chief Meyer Lansky.”

    Yaras, a friend of Jack Ruby, was the hitman. Oswald was heavily intertwined as well.

    Lyndon Johnson must have completely known that the hit would take place because he immediately dropped all operations JFK implemented regarding Israel.

    • Replies: @renfro
  29. j2 says:
    @Tono Bungay

    “Given this exceptional bond between the Kennedy brothers, what is the probability that the two Kennedy assassinations were unrelated?…If his reasoning is so weak and silly as this, what confidence can a reader have in anything else he might come up with?”

    I do not find it silly at all. Assuming that the Kennedys were close (which is most probably true), then if JFK was worried about Israel’s atom bomb program, Robert almost certainly knew about it and shared JFK’s opinion. He may not have known who was behind the JFK assassination, but he would very probably have opened the case. If the case is honestly studied, it is immediately seen as a conspiracy. I confirmed it easily to myself by analyzing the Dictabelt data: more than one shooter. As the likely culprit is very probably to be found by checking what changed in the US policy (and what changed was the US attitude to the Israel bomb), the argument of the article becomes quite strong: the purpose of the second assassination was very possibly to cover the first assassination. I find it purely logical, not silly.

  30. Sympathy for the Zionists? ;-)

    “I shouted out, Who killed the Kennedys? When after all, it was you and me!”

  31. @Biff

    Biff wisely reflected: “I always thought the CIA was suspect, but obviously there are more angles to the story.”

    Hi Biff,

    This article author, Laurent Guyenot, did an admirable job at attempting to distance CIA involvement from Israeli intelligence, and the killing of JFK, pursuant coup, overturning a US election.

    Not so with author Peter Janney who wrote the terrific book, “Mary’s Mosaic.” He focused upon CIA James Jesus Angleton’s Israeli-cozy career & deadly pre/post assassination undertakings prior to November 23, 1963.

    F.y.i, Biff, perhaps you’re aware about the Fall 1964 murder (unsolved!) of Mary Pinchot Meyer, CIA Cord Meyer Jr.’ ex-wife and JFK flame?

    Unfortunately, Israeli interest & involvement in JFK’s killing escaped Peter Janney’s survey. Nonetheless, below is Mr. Janet’s very sound description about CIA Counterintelligence Chief James Angleton’s mad pursuit to locate & confiscate the diary of the dead, Mary Pinchot Meyer.

    Subsequently, I do not endorse a “Rush to Judgement” that exonerates the CIA from the treasonous Kennedy murders.

    Thanks a lot, Biff! Please refer to video below?

  32. They threatened to assassinate 0bama if he got out of line:

    Atlanta Jewish Times featured a column by its owner-publisher suggesting that U.S.-based Israeli Mossad agents might someday need to “order a hit” on the president of the United States.

    http://original.antiwar.com/alison-weir/2012/01/24/israeli-assassinations-and-american-presidents/

    https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/284979-ajt.html

    On Jan. 13 the Atlanta Jewish Times featured a column by its owner-publisher suggesting that Israel might someday need to “order a hit” on the president of the United States.
    In the column, publisher Andrew Adler describes a scenario in which Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu would need to “give the go-ahead for U.S.-based Mossad agents to take out a president deemed unfriendly to Israel.”
    The purpose? So that the vice president could then take office and dictate U.S. policies that would help the Jewish state “obliterate its enemies.”
    Adler wrote that it is highly likely that the idea “has been discussed in Israel’s most inner circles.”

    He threatened the fake Jews narrative on Hitler too:

    http://time.com/4711687/john-f-kennedy-diary-hitler/

    From JFK diary. The diary reveals that during his time in Berlin, Kennedy wrote about visiting Hitler’s bunker only months after Germany surrendered in the Second World War.
    “You can easily understand how that within a few years Hitler will emerge from the hatred that surrounds him now as one of the most significant figures who ever lived,” Kennedy wrote in his diary in 1945.
    “He had boundless ambition for his country which rendered him a menace to the peace of the world, but he had a mystery about him in the way he lived and in the manner of his death that will live and grow after him,” he added. “He had in him the stuff of which legends are made.”
    “The room where Hitler is supposed to have met his death showed scorched walls and traces of fire,” he wrote. “There is no complete evidence, however, that the body that was found was Hitler’s body.”
    “The Russians doubt that he is dead,” Kennedy added. JFK was visiting Europe after a stint in the Navy.

    Screwed up world we live in when these frauds are our #1 ally, according to the traitors in DC.
    We shoulda destroyed them after USS Liberty incident, 9/11 and the mass murder that followed would have been prevented.

  33. @Aardvark

    He had also proposed the issuance of United States Notes backed by silver. This would have denied the FR a lot of future income.

    No, he did not. Your statement is not factually incorrect. It’s indefensible. It further muddies already muddied water.

    Debunking the Federal Reserve
    Conspiracy Theories (and other financial myths)

    [MORE]

    To understand exactly what Kennedy’s order was trying to do, we must understand the purpose of the legislation which gave the order its underlying authority. The Agricultural Adjustment Act of 1933 (ch. 25, 48 Stat 51) to which Kennedy refers permits the President to issue silver certificates in various denominations (mostly $1, $2, $5, and $10) and in any total volume so long as the Treasury has enough silver on hand to redeem the certificates for a specific quantity and fineness of silver and that the total volume of such currency does not exceed $3 billion. The Silver Purchase Act of 1934 (ch. 674,48 Stat 1178) also grants this power to the Treasury Secretary subject to similar limitations. Nowhere in the text of the order is a quantity of money mentioned, so it is unclear how Marrs arrived at his $4.2 billion figure. Moreover, the President could not have authorized such a large issue because it would have exceeded the statutory limit.2
    As economic activity grew in the fifties and sixties, the public demand for low denomination currency grew, increasing the Treasury’s need for silver to back additional certificate issues and to mint new coins (dimes, quarters, half-dollars). However, during the late fifties the price of silver began to rise and reached the point that the market value of the silver contained in the coins and backing the certificates was greater than the face value of the money itself.2

    To conserve the Treasury’s silver needs, the Silver Purchase Act and related measures were repealed by Congress in 1963 with Public Law 88-36. Following the repeal, only the President could authorize new silver certificate issues, and no longer the Treasury Secretary. The law, signed by Kennedy himself, also permits the Federal Reserve to issue small denomination bills to replace the outgoing silver certificates (prior to the act, the Fed could only issue Federal Reserve Notes in larger denominations). The Treasury’s shrinking silver stock could then be used to mint coins only and not have to back currency. The repeal left only the President with the authority to issue silver certificates, however it did permit him to delegate this authority. E.O. 11,110 does this by transferring the authority from the President to the Treasury
    Secretary.2

    E.O. 11,110 did not create authority to issue new silver certificates, it only affected who could give the order. The purpose of the order was to facilitate the reduction of certificates in circulation, not to increase them. In October 1964 the Treasury ceased issuing them entirely. The Coinage Act of 1965 (PL 89-81) ended the practice of using silver in most U.S. coins, and in 1968 Congress ended the redeemability of silver certificates (PL 90-29). E.O. 11,110 was never reversed by President Johnson and remained on the books until 1987 when there was a general cleaning-up of executive orders (E.O. 12,608, 9/9/87). However, by this time the remaining legislative authority behind E.O. 11,110 had been repealed by Congress with PL 97-258 in 1982.2

    In summary, E.O. 11,110 did not create new authority to issue additional silver certificates. In fact, its intention was to ease the process for their removal so that small denomination Federal Reserve Notes could replace them in accordance with a law Kennedy himself signed. If Kennedy had really sought to reduce Federal Reserve power, then why did he sign a bill that gave the Fed still more power?

    • Agree: Gordo
  34. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Hiram of Tyre

    If I could make a parallel on the Palestinians: it’s “interesting” how they always found themselves in the spotlight of major plots, killings and terror acts after the creation of the British Zionist State known as Israel.

    But not 9/11…that was perpetrated by inconveniently Saudi terrorists hosted thousands of miles away from Palestine in Nowheresville, Afghanistan.

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  35. Great article. Well-researched and well-presented. It’s a convincing case. It reveals the CIA was compromised in favor of Israel. That was then and this is now.No doubt the Israeli termites have completely consumed the structure. I would have to imagine at this point the CIA is a dupe division of Mossad and it’s so inundated with Israeli Moles to rid the undemocratic organization of the infestation would be tantamount to playing whack-a-mole. The only option is to burn it to the ground. Destroy it, end it, and jail the majority of its members, past and present, for High Treason.

    • Replies: @Them Guys
  36. Thermonuclear Blackmail.

    One other purpose of Israeli nuclear weapons, not often stated, but obvious, is their “use” on the United States.

    THE THIRD TEMPLE’S HOLY OF HOLIES:
    ISRAEL’S NUCLEAR WEAPONS
    Warner D. Farr, LTC, U.S. Army
    The Counterproliferation Papers
    Future Warfare Series No. 2
    USAF Counterproliferation Center
    Air War College
    Air University
    Maxwell Air Force Base, Alabama
    September 1999

    http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/cpc-pubs/farr.htm

    Hansel and Gretel, open that oven door again, before the hook-nose witch eats any more of our children.

  37. @Seamus Padraig

    Yeah, Mick, I killed JFK from my Mother’s womb because, afterall, I am the Anti-Christ and the Anti-Christ doesn’t let a little thing like a womb get in the way of what needs to be done.

  38. prusmc says: • Website
    @Wizard of Oz

    Johnson, IMHO, worst President in US history. HE DID MORE LASTING DAMAGE than even Obama. But the Kennedy myth is overdrawn. If JFK had lived he would have been reelected but not by a Johnsonian o landslide. Consequently, Congress would have kept him in check. If HHH had been his VP, Kennedy would have got less out of Congress than with Johnson ( who knew where the bodies were buried).
    The real tragedy is not that Kennedy was so good; it was that Johnson was so bad. Had Bobby won in 1968, he would have torn the country apart worse than Johnson. There are so many loose ends in this feature it is hard to find where to start. But it is clear that this person believes that for a few years we Americans had Gods living amongst us.
    The curse of the whole Kennedy family was raised by Teddy while successfully avoiding blame and guilt for Mary Jo’s unfortunate accident. However, the author brings the curse to life again while seeming to reject it concerning JFK, junior’s plane crash disappearance. Could pilot error by lack of experience and failure to heed weather forecast advice have had any role in this family’s continuing misadventures?
    Is there any explanation for anything negative happening to this clan that can not be blamed on Jews, right-wing extremists, Cosa Nostra, CIA, the Navy, military intelligence or talk radio?

  39. @Jake

    you can bet your every penny and the lives of your children, spouse, and siblings that America’s WASP Deep State was behind it all.

    Certainly complicit. The article does seem to give a pass to the CIA, but if the CIA is everything it’s cracked up to be, it had to know about this and the author even indicates some of its more influential agents were cooperative with Mossad so in the least it was compromised and therefore complicit in High Treason. If it didn’t know, the CIA should have been abolished then & there but it certainly should be abolished now.

  40. schrub says:

    Who hasn’t been mentioned so far is the very beautiful and brilliant Mathilde Krim. Krim was LBJ’s mistress in the 1960s. She also just happened to be a fanatical supporter of the interests of Israel. In the late 1940s, she had been an active promoter of the Israeli terror group The Irgun. Mathilde was also most likely a Mossad agent with long-time contacts to the highest levels of the Israeli government.

    I would have loved to hear the “pillow talk” between these two total opposites: the incredibly crude, totally uncultured and flabby LBJ and the cultured, slim, sleek and highly educated Krim. You can bet that she was able to supply Israel with a constant supply of all sorts of top secret information that she was able to extract out of her bedmate. Maybe she also gave advice to LBJ about who exactly to assassinate or what transgressions by Israel for LBJ to ignore (like the USS Liberty attack).

    Mathilde Krim’s husband was the very wealthy Arthur Krim, one of the most powerful and active supporters of Israel in the USA. Mathilde Krim’s relationship with LBJ was most likely known about by her husband but was “overlooked” by him because of its huge value to Israel as both as a source of information as well as for its potential use as blackmail. (You can bet that somewhere in Israel is a vault full of movies taken of their bedroom activities.)

    The heads of MSM at the time apparently knew all about the relationship between Krim and LBJ but “wisely” chose to ignore it just as they had done for JFK and his affairs.

    You can also bet that Krim dropped her boyfriend LBJ like a hot potato once he left office and was no longer of use to her friends.

    Here is a highly sanitized Wikipedia entry about her: No mention is made of her “friendship” with LBJ.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathilde_Krim

  41. gsjackson says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    I’ve often wondered to what extent the CIA is Zionized and acting in concert with Israel, and how long it has been that way. Anecdotally: I had two students at the University of Wisconsin who interviewed with the CIA. Both were NY Jews who ardently supported Israel, and I do mean ardently.

    This piece was an eye opener for me. I read all about Angleton in The Devil’s Chessboard, but nothing about his connection with Israel. And LBJ a Jew??

    • Agree: Mike P
  42. Anon[219] • Disclaimer says:

    This article is simply bizarre. If the CIA didn’t do it why is it still sanitizing the files 55 years later? Surely this article (which contains numerous basic errors (for example, there were never two entry wounds seen on the front of JFK’s body, only a neck wound) is either written by an ignorant hack or more likely a CIA hack’s imaginative narrative designed to confuse the idiots. For a start try the Kennedy and King website hosted by Jim D’Eugenio and spend a few years getting the facts before taking this rubbish seriously.

    • Replies: @Slightmist
  43. Heros says:
    @vinteuil

    Its actually quite easy. Promise your first born and swear complete and total obeisance, and you are in the club. But remember, never refuse to partake in the ceremonies and sacrifices. And don’t ever even think about backing out of your oath to give up your first born, otherwise expect the same as what happened to Heath Ledger or Kurt Kobain.

  44. Jewaroo says:

    When Langley wants to take that CIA smell off their official line, they use a foreign source. Guyenot’s act is boilerplate disinfo, reinterpreting the obvious with double-reverse psychology.

    Like, Truman’s editorial, assiduously suppressed by Dulles himself, was a diabolical head-fake. And But but but no invasion of Cuba followed Kennedy’s assassination!! CIA framed Cuba not to justify an immediate attack on Cuba, but to force Warren to bend over for the official story. LBJ’s negotiation with Warren is a matter of historical record. He told Warren that if he didn’t stick with the official bullshit story, Cuba’s responsibility would lead to war entailing nuclear war with Russia.

    And more standard CIA argumentum ad ignorantiam: you don’t know who the CIA mastermind was, so it was Israel. You don’t know who the mastermind was because CIA flouts the JFK Assassination Records Collection Act.

    Guyenot applies Occam’s sledghammer to prove that it wasn’t the guys who had military, commercial, and criminal cutouts nationwide, extensive illegal domestic operations including blanket surveillance, arbitrary classification authority, and impunity in municipal law. It was Israel, who cleverly put one over on the dumb ol’ CIA, nyuk nyuk nyuk. And CIA couldn’t do nuthin’ about it. This is how stupid they think you are.

    JFK blah blah blah. CIA’s your CHEKA. They’ve ruled your country since inception. They kill and torture whoever they want. What are you gonna do about it?

    • Replies: @MacNucc11
  45. Sean says:

    Did Lee Harvey Oswald kill JFK? LHO was a devotee of Casto and when he visited the Cuban Consulate in Mexico and was denied permission to travel to Cuba Oswald stormed out. The Kennedys were trying to kill Castro, and Oswald,, who had narrowly missed killing Edwin Walker months before, and found himself in a job that provided a shot on the JFK parade route, killed JFK for his anti communism. Kennedy had almost taken the world to WW3 in the Cuba crisis, which was Nikita Khrushchev’s response to JFK’s insane revival of Eisenhower’s plan to give Germany a say in Nukes (to save the US taxpayer money basically). Perhaps it is just as well that Marine-trained rifleman Oswald put an end to Kennedy when he did.

    • Replies: @ians
    , @annamaria
    , @MacNucc11
  46. John, Robert and Ted Kennedy were all extremely friendly to Israel and extremely supportive of the interests of diaspora Jews.

    They led the Democratic Party away from the old-left emphasis on economic justice and peace, towards the new-left emphasis on issues of race and sex.

    They weakened the labor unions with their campaign against the Teamsters, they supported tax cuts for the very wealthy, their support for increased immigration was hostile to the economic interests of the American working class, and they supported an intensification of the cold war against the Soviet Union. They even knowingly lied about an imaginary “missile gap”, in order to present the Democratic Party as more hawkish than Eisenhower’s Republicans.

    The Kennedy brothers adopted this platform after the crucially important events of 1956-1957:

    In response to the Suez Crisis, Khrushchev’s Soviet Union definitively became the patron of Israel’s Arab enemies. Simultaneously, Khrushchev was overseeing a Thermidorian reaction against the excesses of early Bolshevism in eastern Europe. Stalin was denounced, Matyas Rakosi was exiled, Kaganovich was purged from the Politburo, Solzhenitsyn was released from the gulags, and the Hungarian counter-revolutionaries were treated less harshly than they would have been in the days of Lenin and Trotsky. A new Bukharinite, almost semi-nationalist, form of communism developed in eastern Europe – far less deadly, and with jobs and patronage more fairly distributed among the various ethnicities.

    In other words, Soviet communism was no longer “good for the Jews”. No longer were millions of counter-revolutionary “antisemites” being murdered. No longer were Jews massively over-represented in positions of power and prestige. And no longer was the Soviet Union a supporter of Zionism and Israel.

    Similarly, the rise of American Jews from the working class into the upper middle and wealthy classes, meant that domestically the American old-left economic policies such as progressive taxation and support for rogue unions such as the Teamsters, were no longer “good for the Jews”.

    In these circumstances, Eisenhower’s moves towards detente with the Soviet Union, insistence on Israeli withdrawal from the Sinai, support for immigration restriction (which prevented the migration into America of the Jewish former ruling class of communist eastern Europe – Kaganovich, Rakosi and hordes of lesser-known radical Bolsheviks, commissars and secret police agents), and even his continuation of FDR-era progressive taxation and public works projects, were seen as “bad for the Jews”, just as Kennedy’s exact opposite platform was seen as “good for the Jews”.

    Perhaps more significantly, the Eisenhower-Nixon cultural conservatism (praising Robert E. Lee as the greatest American who ever lived, expressing regret for having appointed Earl Warren to the Supreme Court, and living a chaste life of faithfulness to their wives) contrasted with the cultural radicalism of the Kennedy brothers (full support for the most radical elements of the civil rights movement, libertine personal lives filled with not-so-secret love affairs).

    Compared to what came before, JFK represented an assault on the ethnic self-respect of old-stock Americans and the cultural norms of traditional Christianity – to the delight of the Jewish movements examined in Kevin MacDonald’s Culture of Critique.

    Whatever personal animosity may have existed, in political terms LBJ was indistinguishable from the Kennedy brothers. He too was hostile towards the Soviet bloc, a friend of Israel, and supportive of the cultural left.

    Given this macro-historical background, I think the simplest explanations of the assassinations are correct, and the various convoluted conspiracy theories are incorrect.

    Lee Harvey Oswald was an old-left Marxist who saw JFK as an enemy, a traitor against the “true” left.

    Jack Ruby was a hyper-ethnocentric Jewish gangster who murdered Oswald to avenge the death of the Jewish people’s best friend.

    Sirhan Sirhan was a Palestinian nationalist.

    Conspiracy theorist are typically Kennedy sycophants who don’t like being reminded that their heroes were enemies of socialism, enemies of the long-suffering Palestinian people, and heroes to the likes of Jack Ruby.

    They’d prefer to believe that JFK and RFK were martyrs murdered by reactionary WASPs – but that is pure fantasy.

  47. I’m really beginning to wonder what Ron Unz is doing with his website. Last week we got that moronic article by 9/11 doucher David Lorimer, and now we are treated to a 10,000 word disquisition about how Israel assassinated the Kennedys—both of which articles are rather baseless canards but are deeply emotionally appealing to a certain coterie of contrarians and which are sure to attract (and have attracted) the most odious collection of commenters who are both uninterested in and oblivious to the the truth about any of it. Not only is it a frustrating exercise in futility to try to discuss anything with such people (their minds are closed not only with respect to the lunacy that they themselves believe but also with respect to what they assume you believe—they’ve already assigned you to a camp and will never allow you to depart from it), but also the subjects themselves have grown tiresome and tedious and are only anymore of interest to the very same propounders of revisionist idiocy who keep them alive with their siege mentality.

    What purpose can there be in publishing such articles other than to fuel the febrile files of this phantasist fringe? There is nothing here in the interests of truth; this is demagoguery and obscurantism of the worst sort. Articles like this are the intellectual equivalent of a plague bacillus, winding its way through human minds, putrefying and perverting all in its course. Such foul air requires a constant nosegay of truth to ward it off, and these flowers are in very short supply around here.

    I have no desire to defend the Jews, or Judaism, or Zionism, or the State of Israel, but the charges that they were involved with the Kennedy assassinations are completely without merit and ought to be repugnant to decent people. The fact that they were directly responsible for the attack on the USS Liberty is more than enough reason to despise the Israelis; they do not need to be beaten with every club or charged with every crime. To do so is vindictive and paranoid and shameful, and I cannot be sanguine about the motives of those who would whip themselves and others into such a frenzy.

  48. Here’s Mathilde Krim with a soirée of Fine Folks to include LBJ & Lady Bird. She certainly made the rounds. Definitely an Intelligence Operative considering her prodigious network of contacts. A Cancer to Humanity. It reminds me of a scene from Rosemary’s Baby.

    • Replies: @Anon
  49. Mike P says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Considering that you belong to the resident Hasbara brigade, your position fits well with the hypothesis of this piece – the “limited hang-out” of the U.S. “deep state” to cover up the Israeli connection.

    Dimona was clearly a major point of contention – and it is very unlikely that JFK would have aided and abetted the shenanigans surrounding the war of 1967. Israel had plenty of reason to do away with him.

  50. “the bullet tested in laboratory to be compared to the the one extracted from Robert’s brain had not been shot by Sirhan’s revolver, but by another gun, with a different serial number; ”

    The author seems blankly ignorant of guns, apparently believing that a serial number can be determined from a bullet. He sounds as though he has some vague recollection that marking left by lands and grooves on bullets are unique to the gun firing them, and somehow confuses this with serial numbers. Amateurish research does not breed confidence in conclusions. Does he give a link to which labortory and its report?

  51. @schrub

    Some sort of Queen Esther, then.

    • Replies: @Gordo
  52. @Intelligent Dasein

    Do you mean you believe that Oswald killed Kennedy?
    Or do you mean the question is irrelevant?
    I’m interested to know.

  53. Well researched and written article! Additional and further research is needed in the following possibilities raised by the people living outside of the US in 1960’s:
    1. JFK’s opposition to the planning of Israelis initiating a war against the Arab states in 1967
    2. Killing 2 birds with one shot by falsely accusing an Arab for killing RK before he reopens the assassination case of his brother
    3. Destruction of the world media from the 1967 war to the assassination of RK
    4. Involvement of LBJ in both assassinations since he is a Zionist from his mother side

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  54. @Bardon Kaldian

    Yes, the JFK assassination was a public execution, but why would that incriminate the deep state rather than Israel? I would rather think the opposite. I think you also miss a point that you could perhaps get by reading James Douglass: JFK considered it his most important task to abolish nuclear weapons. It was possible then. So it makes sense to believe that his determination to stop Dimona was very, very strong.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  55. @Frederick V. Reed

    No, I am not that ignorant. Either I expressed myself poorly (English being not my native language), or you misunderstood. The serial number of the gun from which the test bullet was shot (as indicated on official report) is different from the serial number of Sirhan’s gun (as indicated on another official report.

    • Replies: @gsjackson
    , @Biff
  56. Thank you Laurent Guyénot. This is a long(ish) article, and obviously complex.

    So, in breaking down this theory, one must first admit, in light of what is known of the Kennedy assassinations, consideration of the Torah-Pharisees-Talmud international collective as a potential prime operative, is reasonable, based on the prime-facia motives.
    Specifically:
    1. the intention of registering the American Zionist Council (AZC subsequently AIPAC) as a “foreign agent” subject to the obligations defined by the Foreign Agents Registration Act of 1938
    2. the Kennedy’s determination to stop Israel [secretly, like many things] developing its own nuclear bomb
    3. Kennedy committed … … to support UN Resolution 194 for the right of return of Palestinian refugees

    Anybody familiar with the trends of the last 200 years of the activities and well-[self]-published political motivations of Torah-Pharisees-Talmud international collective, notably pro-zionists and their leading spokes people, would be aware that each one of the listed intentions, if validated, would be considered ample justification for another political assassination, from such an extremist ideological perspective.

    The thornier, but potentially more revealing issue is capability.
    But one must ask oneself, who in the world, could have the capability to kill a sitting U.S. president and a leading presidential nominee?

    In consideration of this question, one can greatly reduce the number of potential suspects, since the range is extremely small, and I would suggest, probably included the collaboration of several of the very few limited candidates.

    For example, does anyone think that the Soviet Union could possibly have managed this alone, or even more ridiculously, Fidel Castro?!

    I personally think it at least on the verge of absurd.

    Capability continued…

    Frequently, I find myself drawn back to Gilad Atzmons excerpt from testimony, as expert witness on Jewish Identity politics, at ‘hate crime” trial of Arthur Topham 20151108-20151109
    Sourced originally at: http://blog.balder.org/?p=1673

    “When we criticise Jewish politics (Israel, Zionism, the Lobby etc’) some Jews are “racially offended” in spite of the fact that race, biology, blood or ethnicity was never mentioned. When we criticise Jewish racism some Jews hide behind the argument that we are criticizing their religion. When we occasionally criticise the religion or some obscene Jewish religious teaching we are quick to learn that Jews are hardly religious anymore (which is true by the way). The meaning of it is simple, yet devastating. The Jewish triangle makes it very difficult, or even impossible to criticise Jewish politics, ideology and racism because the Identity is set as a field with a tri-polar gravity centre. The identity morphs endlessly. The contemporary 3rd category (political) Jew is everywhere and nowhere simultaneously, this is the quantum mechanics that is set to suppress any possible criticism.”

    But most particularly, “…Jew is everywhere and nowhere simultaneously, this is the quantum mechanics that is set to suppress… .””

    I am also reminded of Noam Chompsky’s model (explanation), as described in Manufacturing Consent for what he describes as a passive media skewing mechanism (my words), along the lines of, systemically, many slight slanted/nudged editorial decisions, which aggregated, may well completely distort an accurate picture of events.

    By not being able to identify one clear, discrete actor/provocateur, the system, the way it operates, will be incapable of actually making a determination and assignment of cause.

    Now, if one followed a operational model of negative sum gain gaming of systems to always gain advantage, one might have identified this weakness in the system, and employed a quantum-mechanics like distribution of a fifth column in the system to effect the political change one desired.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @renfro
  57. @Frederick V. Reed

    That’s a good point but it still doesn’t explain how Sirhan Squared fired the fateful shot from behind Kennedy when he was always in front of Kennedy.

    Fyi, I have always felt horrible for Sirhan Squared. So much so, I named my dog after him and it’s a female dog. You should see the reaction when I take her to the vet and they ask her name and I say it’s Sirhan Sirhan. The look is priceless. My next dog’s name will be Jesus. I’m sure it will go over equally as well with the hoi polloi.

    Does anyone really believe that if a POTUS decided to eradicate Israel’s nuclear weapons program and cut off all funding to Israel that said POTUS wouldn’t be assassinated before he/she could make it happen? Trump has been egregiously disrespectful to the Intelligence Community and yet he’s still alive, but what if Trump was egregiously disrespectful to Israel instead of kissing Israel’s ass as the first Jewish POTUS that he is? What if Trump ended all American aid to Israel and went to the United Nations and put forth a resolution for Israel to eliminate its nukes because if Iran and North Korea and Ted Nugent can’t have them, neither can Israel. If Trump got elected on such a platform, which he never would have by the way, he would have been assassinated before he or any POTUS could implement such a plan. Israel has made it clear many times over, it will do ANYTHING & EVERYTHING it has to do to protect itself existentially and I’m sure that includes assassinating the POTUS if need be and all else fails.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  58. Arnieus says:

    Not Israel exactly but the banker clans that created Israel with US wealth and still own monopolies in banking, media, and drugs legal and illegal. Kennedy was put in office because they thought he was just a skirt chasing son of a bootlegger that would not interfere with the Globalist agenda. Kind of like Bill Clinton. Then he starts talking about “secret societies” and backing off the constant war agenda. And he fostered a trusting relationship with Russia, trying to really be president. He is the last one to try that.

    • Troll: Wizard of Oz
  59. Great article. Just wanted to mention that Jeff Gates’ Guilt by Association corroborates the author’s thesis.

    • Replies: @Laurent Guyénot
  60. @John Gruskos

    From one with no barrow to push: this is refreshingly sane.

    • Replies: @Cloak And Dagger
    , @anon
  61. j2 says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    “As to your Meyer Lansky point you do not indicate whether you have any serious claim to knowing anything useful about him and/or his connection to Israel but surely it is rubbish to talk of his interest in Cuban casinos being relevant. Really!? In 1963? And anyway you would only be making sense if you were asserting – with reason – that RFK felt constrained to use to his friend Schlesinger “Cubans or gangsters” as code for Israel.
    Or, conceivably you think RFK didn’t know what you know about the involvement of Israel but wanted a further inquiry which might have produced an embarrassing truth about Israel. Really?”

    I recently bought a book about Lansky’s Havana operations from Cuba. Before the revolution by Castro Lansky run the crime empire there. It is also written of his connections to Israel, which you can check even from Wikipedia. We all get our information from books and documents. This book was rather OK concerning facts. Lansky lost a lot when Castro came to power. In 1963 Lansky had a very good reason to want the USA to attack Cuba to gain his empire. Besides, he run the USA organized crime at that time and had reasons not to like Kennedys actions against organized crime.
    There is no reason for “Cubans and gangsters” to be a code word for Israel as Cubans and gangsters were almost certainly involved in the JFK assassination.

    I think Robert Kennedy did know of the Israel atom bomb project and he did not like it, same as JFK. Robert Kennedy probably did not know if Israel was involved in the JFK assassination but was going to investigate who was. It might have lead to Israel. There was this danger.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  62. @Monty Ahwazi

    You lose all credibility for anything sensible you might say when you spout such tendentious rubbish as “he is[sic] a Zionist from his mother [sic] side”. You presumably are confusing the Orthodox criterion for someone to be a Jew with the choice a person makes to be a Zionist (for which you don’t even have to be a Jew come to think of it). It’s even sillier than people saying Rupert Murdoch is a Jew because a great or great great grandmother may have been Jewish.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Monty Ahwazi
  63. renfro says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    a coup by the deep state

    And who do you think the deep state is.

  64. Interesting and well-researched article, but ultimately, as commenter Wizard of Oz notes, it serves the author’s “confirmation bias.”

    Behind the JFK and RFK assassinations is the Allen Dulles gang: Richard Helms, David Atlee Phillips, and James Jesus Angleton. It is true, as the author notes, that Angleton had deep ties with Mossad. It is also true that since the end of the second world war, Israeli skullduggery in the US and Europe has been massive. But these two political murders were planned and executed by the above Dulles cabal.

    Oswald was a CIA asset since his time as Marine serving at the US Atsugi base in Japan. Researcher HP Albarelli connects Oswald to right-wing Agency operative and pedophile David Ferrie as far back as the early 1950s. Oswald was also part of Angleton’s false defector program, which inserted him into the USSR in the late 1950s.

    The grooming and handling of Sirhan Sirhan in California in the mid 1960s speaks of a well-entrenched domestic network of CIA assets. He was picked for patsydom for a number reasons, and Angleton, again, a prince of an ally for Mossad, liked Sirhan’s Palestinian background, which amped up the Arab threat, in the eyes of the US audience, to his Israeli friends. The author is correct that Thane Caesar was the real assassin of RFK. Previous to the RFK hit, Caesar work for the Hughes corporation in Burbank. The sprawling Howard Hughes business empire had served as a CIA cover since the 1950s.

    Why would the Dulles gang want to murder the Kennedy brothers? JFK: revenge for the Bay of Pigs betrayal and the subsequent firing of Dulles. RFK: a man who worked closely with the Agency in the early 1960s on the Castro project. David Talbot’s book Brothers, referenced by the author, makes clear that RFK had an absolutely clear conception of who killed his brother. There was no way he was going to reach the White House.

    Both brothers also sought to wind down the profitable war in Vietnam. RFK was especially vocal about his goal of ending the war on the’68 campaign trail. And then there’s Richard Nixon: a national security state favorite since his time as congressman during the so-called Red Scare of the early 195os, Nixon was their favored candidate in the ’68 election. RFK’s death sealed the deal for Nixon. Nixon would go on to incur the wrath of his former national security state allies with his secret negotiations with China and the USSR while president. Because of his previous good works for them, a political death was arranged rather than a violent physical one.

    • Replies: @Anon
  65. renfro says:
    @Jon Baptist

    Lansky killed Kennedy for Israel and for mob interests within the U.S

    Most likely

  66. @Laurent Guyénot

    Yes, I believe that Oswald killed Kennedy. I have no reasonable doubt that Oswald alone fired the fatal shot.

    I also believe that the question, while certainly not irrelevant, is little thought of by most people today and would not affect their lives one way or the other. This is not to say that truth should not be investigated and justice done whenever possible. Falsehoods of any sort should be brought to light and expunged from the historical record, for there is no telling what damage an error may do even long after the fact. However, in the first place, I do not think that the historical record has enshrined any major errors in the case of the Kennedys; and in the second place, the fervency with which the contrarians (and they alone) continue to revive this long-buried topic does not savor of an honest pursuit of truth. I gather they would not be satisfied even if all the world were converted to their opinion.

    They have some sort of an agenda. What it is varies from case to case and is not something I’m willing to speculate upon. But this sort of crusading over the meaning of an historical event is never anything but a quest for political power in the present moment, and is usually driven not by any coherent ideology but by the sheer passion for revenge. The willingness of so many revisionists to make saints out of the Kennedys—which on any objective reading they clearly were not—is by itself sufficient to discover the all-too-human wellsprings of their motivation. You have a beef with Israel, with the CIA, with Lyndon Johnson, with the whole American Deep State. I get that; I’m no fan of these people, either. But I’m not going to pervert my entire view of history so as to cast them in the role of the eternal villain. Self-deception is not only bad for your psychological health, it’s also very politically inexpedient. You will never accomplish anything by this method. Just imagine the dismay that will come upon you if, peradventure, you happen to have a real shot at gaining some actual power and then you realize that your only friends and compatriots are the unreliable fruit loops who’ve been yup-yupping your articles these past years. A lot of help they’re going to be.

    The assertion that Israel had anything to do with assassinating either Kennedy brother is just not true. It is falsehood and lies and intellectual pollution. The reverence for such a belief belongs as a sub-genre of postmodern urban mysticism and religious occultism, along with the belief that the CIA planted explosives in the World Trade Center.

  67. ians says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    The nonsensical assertion that it was an accidental bullet from a Secret Service man was debunked long ago.

    • Replies: @Anon
  68. Gordo says:
    @Laurent Guyénot

    I belive the term used by those in the know is ‘hadass’ although that meaning of the word has been efficiently scrubbed from the internet

  69. geokat62 says:
    @Cold N. Holefield

    … the first Jewish POTUS that he is?

    PTI, but just wanted to make a quick observation. Is it just me or have others noticed that there have been quite a number of Presidents upon whom this honorary title has been bestowed, including:

    LBJ
    Ronald Reagan
    Barack Obama
    Donald Trump

    (Bill Clinton and George W Bush should receive honorary mention).

    Now, back to regularly scheduled programming.

  70. gsjackson says:
    @Laurent Guyénot

    Thanks for a very interesting, thought-provoking piece. On the English language thing, editing alert: Check the headline. For proper name plurals you don’t change y to ie.

  71. @schrub

    I should have mentioned that Jeff Gates goes into the LBJ/Krim relationship, NUMEC, McCain father and son, the USS Liberty, with a measure of Jeff Flake in his book. It bears rereading, now if only I can find it.

  72. @j2

    Well you have just proved what a hopeless amateur you are as conspiracy theorist and as analyst.

    What you have now shown is all you dredged up about Meyer Lansky is a million miles from proving that he had sufficient reason to murder Kennedy. To make any sense of your bizarre notion of cause and effect and of motive you would have to suppose that a US President could be expected to look after the Cuban interests of a known criminal even going to the extent of using US armed forces to do it. Specifically your barmy idea entails that Lansky had a communications conduit to LBJ and thought he had obtained assurance from Johnson that the US would go to war to overthrow Castro and restore an American criminal’s casino. Pathetic.

    There is indeed no need for “Cubans or gangsters” to be code for “Israel” but again you have shot yourself in the foot by your missing the point completely. My obvious point, which you managed to get confused about, was that Bobby Kennedy had no reason not to mention Israel to his confidant Schlesinger so his use of the words “Cubans” and “gangsters” meant that he didn’t have Israel in mind…

    • Replies: @j2
  73. ians says:
    @Sean

    Garbage. Oswald was impersonated in Mexico. He didn’t try to kill Walker.

    • Replies: @Sean
  74. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:

    Five towns Jewish times April 11 2013

    Article claims LBJ was a Jew who smuggled German Jews into the port of Galveston during the 1930s.

    I’m sure this thread will be enjoyable as people post their pet theories and others jump in to debunk the theories.

  75. Gary says:

    The most likely scenario is of course that the assassinations met the needs of not only Israel/Mossad, but of the U.S. oligarchs/Wall Street, European oligarchs, and the U.S. deep state forces of the CIA/Pentagon. It isn’t an “either/or” with the Mossad vs the CIA as to who is the culprit, but rather that everyone benefited by these assassinations. From the U.S. Joint Chiefs who wanted to end JFK’s efforts to stop the Cold War, to Mossad who wanted carte blanche Israeli power in the Middle East AND the bomb, to the CIA which most definitely did not want to be “splintered into a thousand pieces and scattered to the winds” – you have a set of powerful interests that converge and all benefit by these deaths.

    The whole debate of whether Israel is the tail wagging the dog misses the point that the very creation of Israel was all about helping the Western colonial powers maintain neo-colonial power in the Middle East as their former colonies were being liberated post-WWII. The oligarchic power blocs in Europe, the U.S., the U.K. and Israel have all benefited from the assassinations of the Kennedy brothers and the policy shifts that were then possible by their permanent removal from political office. Chasing the – “was it the Mossad, or was it the CIA”- train, leaves us grasping at phantoms like “the girl in the polka dot dress,” or “the second Oswald,” and simply distract from the obvious reality that all these parties not only benefited, but also knew each other’s secrets and operated in coordination to make these events happen, and to sew intrigue and endless questions in their wake.

    • Replies: @renfro
  76. @Intelligent Dasein

    I agree with your assessment of the author’s claim of Israeli involvement in the JFK/RFK assassinations. But …

    “… the subjects themselves have grown tiresome and tedious …”

    If political assassinations and shadowy conspiracies don’t capture your imagination, your website must be “tiresome” and “tedious”.

  77. Anon[436] • Disclaimer says:
    @Cold N. Holefield

    “Definitely [sic] an intelligence operative considering her prodigious network of contacts”. BS and blather and blithering nonsense. How about “Definitely a charity fund raising queen considering her prodigious network of contacts”? Or maybe “Definitely a political operator …. ” or maybe just plain old busybody Eleanor Roosevelt?

  78. @chicken salad

    I’ll check that book. Thanks.

  79. @ChuckOrloski

    I did not mean to exonerate the CIA. I tried to be as brief as I could, so I didn’t get into the detail of CIA involvement. CIA had to be involved to some extent in order to be blackmailed into powerlessness. My point is that CIA was not the mastermind and I wanted to point out that the mainstream media were pointing to the CIA, which is in itself very significant: it is like when the mainstream media say “the CIA controls the media”. I am actually inclined to agree with Gary Wean’s thesis (as Piper seemed to do) that the CIA had planned a faked failed assassination coup to force JFK into acting against Castro, but was double-crossed. This fits the scenario which I also believe for 9/11. http://rockthetruth.blogspot.com/2014/09/the-911-triple-cross.html
    And I liked Janney’s book.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
    , @renfro
  80. AaronB says:
    @Dissident X

    This is also the Japanese system btw.

    It’s a pre-Enlightenment system that does not believe in the primacy of logic.

    This way of thinking is not only truer but an immense advantage over people’s who believe in the artificial distinctions of logic which really falsify and simplify reality.

  81. Sean says:
    @ians

    Thew real Oswald was a Communist that lived and worked in the Soviet Union before returning to the US with his Russian wife (who said he admitted shooting segregationist former Airborne division commander Walker) and becoming enamored of Cuban socialism. A Texan familiar with firearm fro his childhood, Oswald qualified as a rifleman in the Marines (where he was also disciplined for pouring a beer over a sergeant’s head, and possession of an illegal pistol).

  82. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    I agree about the plane crash inserted into the article. It was a combination of an unusually thick fog and an inexperienced pilot

    There was a thread recently in which John Jrs plane crash was discussed. A couple of pilots who flew the same Plane write that in that kind of fog with a pilot unskilled in flying by instruments it was not shot down but just happened.

    Another poster write that he was in the area that night and it was one of the worst fogs he’d ever seen.

    • Replies: @republic
    , @Robjil
  83. Mulegino1 says:
    @Laurent Guyénot

    Of course he does. He is part of that dwindling demographic which believes whatever they are told by the kosher mainstream media, i.e., CBS, Time Magazine, CNN, MSNBC, Newsweek, Fox, the History Channel, NBC, ABC, etc. There may be variations, but the narrative remains within the acceptable kosher parameters.

    An individual who believes in the official version of 9/11 will have no trouble at all believing in the “lone nut” theory of Oswald or Sirhan. For want of a better term, I would call it “Mainstream Delusionism.” It affects all of those who choose to accept the bogus liberal/conservative bifurcation of mainstream politics here in the US.

  84. j2 says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    “What you have now shown is all you dredged up about Meyer Lansky is a million miles from proving that he had sufficient reason to murder Kennedy. To make any sense of your bizarre notion of cause and effect and of motive you would have to suppose that a US President could be expected to look after the Cuban interests of a known criminal even going to the extent of using US armed forces to do it. Specifically your barmy idea entails that Lansky had a communications conduit to LBJ and thought he had obtained assurance from Johnson that the US would go to war to overthrow Castro and restore an American criminal’s casino. Pathetic.”

    1) The assassination of JFK was a conspiracy because there were more than one shooter. This is shown by analyzing the Audiograph and the Dictabelt, and the Zapruder film shows that one shot came from the front. You have two pdf files by me in this link

    http://www.pienisalaliittotutkimus.com/2017/12/07/was-the-j-f-kennedy-assassination-a-conspiracy/

    2) Next we have to look what changed in the US policy after the successful assassination, since it had to have some goal. The USA did not attack Cuba, so that was not the goal. The USA forgot Israel’s nuclear bomb project, so that was the goal. (Go through the other alternatives and discard.)

    3) Finally make a scenario who could have done the assassination. As the Audiograph was manipulated in 1970ies, there was someone with access, like CIA (or FBI? etc). There was Ruby, so there was a link to Jewish gangsters leading to Lansky, who was the high boss of organized crime. Much points to LBJ. So, I got this scenario:

    http://www.pienisalaliittotutkimus.com/2018/04/05/jfk-lbj-lansky-dulles-and-zionists/

    It is similar to Piper’s argument, I read his book:

    http://www.pienisalaliittotutkimus.com/2018/04/11/comments-on-michael-collins-pipers-book-the-final-judgment/

    • Replies: @Sean
  85. @Intelligent Dasein

    The assertion that Oswald alone killed Kennedy is just not true. It is falsehood and lies and intellectual pollution.

    • Replies: @bjondo
  86. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Al Moenee

    Totally agree about the Jewish role in JFKs assassination. As for Oswald, he was an avowed communist and the American communist party and all the far left groups were very, very, Jewish at the time. It was impossible to be a goyishe leftist and not meet a lot of lefty Jews at the time.

    Oswald always told people he became interested in communism when he was living in NYC age 11 & 12. It was the time of the Rosenberg atomic spy trials.
    “Old Jewish ladies” in his Bronx neighborhood were always handing out pamphlets defending the Rosenbergs.

    • Replies: @(((They))) Live
  87. Perhaps I missed it in the article but the “manufacturer” of the single bullet theory was Jewish Senator Arlen Specter of the Warren Commission. Another point about the Kennedy’s hatred of Israel….it was much greater than anyone thought especially from the old man Joe. It evidently may have had something do with business dealings both legitimate and illegitimate.

    Lyndon Johnson’s great-grandparents, on the maternal side, were Jewish and Johnson helped smuggle Jews legally and illegally into Texas (http://www.5tjt.com/our-first-jewish-president-lyndon-johnson-an-update/ ). It always sounds antisemitic but rule one that is accurate about 97% of the time is that most of the political, economic or social upheaval in the world always has something to do with Jews.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  88. Mr. Anon says:

    The Kennedy worship on display by Mr. Guyenot, like that of Oliver Stone, is remarkable. I’m not singling him out – a lot of people share in it. But the notion that the Kennedys were some kind of unique family of righteous, justice-seeking heroes is ludicrous. They were a clan of reckless, smarmy, cynical politicians. John was probably the best of them, and he seemed to have had a few good instincts, but he was massively compromised by his libido, which opened him up to blackmail.

    And the notion that John-John was killed by some kind of conspiracy is ridiculous. He was a light-weight and a dilletante. I don’t imagine anyone feared his political or literary ambitions. His was another case of DWK – driving while Kennedy. Nobody in that family could be trusted behind the controls of any kind of vehicle. I wouldn’t knowingly step in front of stroked-out old Joe in his wheelchair.

    • Replies: @Iris
    , @Laurent Guyénot
  89. Sean says:

    Clearly LBJ did not run for a second term and keep control of the investigative agencies because he could be implicated in the assassination of the Kennedy brothers. Or maybe people who think that way are spending too much time smoking hash in their mommy’s basement.

  90. Anon[194] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hiram of Tyre

    I have the book “ Abu Nidal Gun For Hire “ that claims Nidal was anbIsraeki agent all along. No opinion on how. valid the claim is.

    • Replies: @Hiram of Tyre
  91. Sean says:
    @j2

    The UK also developed nuclear weapons, as did France. The incredibility of America blowing its own brains out by getting into a nuclear exchange to defend Britain, France or Israel meant that those countries having their own nuclear deterrent suited America.

    • Replies: @j2
  92. @Wizard of Oz

    From one with no barrow to push

    LOL! Why would anyone not believe you to be a dispassionate observer without Israeli loyalties?

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  93. Anon[194] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mike Sylwester

    I’ve read the book Nemesis that claims Onassis paid for the murder of Robert Kennedy. It also claims Onassis and Jacqueline agreed to marry on a cruise she took on Onassis’ yacht a few months before JFK was killed.

    The plan was when he either lost the 64 election or was re elected and his Presidency ended in January 69, she would divorce JFK for his numerous adulteries and marry Onassis.

    Who knows? It’s all enjoyable reading anyway.

    My favorite genres are political, spy, detective, financial corruption and historical thrillers.

    So I enjoy all the Kennedy conspiracy books.

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  94. gsjackson says:
    @Sean

    Every Marine is considered a “rifleman,” even those who fail to qualify with the rifle. At the end of his tour Oswald tested on the low end of ‘marksman,’ which is the lowest of three qualifying categories. Which means he wasn’t a particularly good shot.

    • Replies: @Sean
    , @David In TN
  95. Iris says:

    Thanks for this intelligent, insightful and courageous article.
    It is exceptionally interesting and well-researched, and simply outstanding, considering the intellectual decadence and cowardice of thoughts we have been dragged into.

    Thanks also for the sensitivity of your conclusion: John and Robert Kennedy’s memory is cherished throughout the world. They died because they wanted to make the world a better place for humankind. They will never be forgotten.

    • Agree: renfro, Cloak And Dagger
  96. @Laurent Guyénot

    Because local Jews & pro-Israel bunch are not equivalent to “deep state”. It is true that Zionist Jews are now more influential than ever, but they do not “own” US nor direct most currents of US policy. Being 2% of US population, Jews are perhaps 20-25% among American elites (which, evidently, is not the majority), and most of them are liberals who are not involved in shaping of American middle east politics. Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld…. were/are American imperialists, and not some Jewish puppets.

    As regards Kennedy, it is true that he had strong positions re nuclear weapons, but, having in mind huge arsenals of US & Soviet Union, and smaller ones of Britain, China..- Israel’s nuclear program was not considered to be something spectacularly important, especially at that stage. It is bizarre to consider that Israelis would even think of, let alone try to execute US president, just because he gave them slap on the wrist at some point.

    And, in 1963, Zionist Jews (and all US Jews) were much less influential then today, after 5 decades that have, beginning with counter-cultural 60s, multiculturalism & Vietnam war, transformed US beyond recognition. Back in 50s/early 60s they had just wanted to assimilate into society as quickly as possible & minimize traces of their ethnic identity, while Israel was a schnorrer, beggar economy trying to survive & keep a low profile.

    That Golda Meir or Ben Gurion would even contemplate anything similar is simply weird: https://www.haaretz.com/.premium-golda-meir-had-doubts-on-kennedy-death-1.5292291

  97. renfro says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    The assertion that Israel had anything to do with assassinating either Kennedy brother is just not true. It is falsehood and lies and intellectual pollution

    No one but a Jew and/or Israel supporter would make that statement.

  98. renfro says:

    Only Israel had anything to gain from Kennedy’s murder and they used some Jewish organized crime members to set it up. Only our Israeli occupied congress, not the CIA, could have ”controlled’ the investigation to ensure it produced the conclusion it fed to the public.

    In his book, The Passionate Attachment, former Undersecretary of State George Ball summarized the results of Johnson’s Middle East policies:

    First, the Johnson administration put America in the position of being Israel’s principal arms supplier and sole unqualified backer.

    “Second, by assuring the Israelis that the United States would always provide them with a military edge over the Arabs, Johnson guaranteed the ‘escalation of an arms race…

    Third, by refusing to follow the advice of his aides that America make its delivery of nuclear-capable F-4 Phantoms conditional on Israel’s signing the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, Johnson gave the Israelis the impression that America had no fundamental objection to Israel’s nuclear program.

    “Fourth, by permitting a cover-up of Israel’s attack on the Liberty, President Johnson told the Israelis in effect that nothing they did would induce American politicians to refuse their bidding.

    From that time forth, the Israelis began to act as if they had an inalienable right to American aid and backing.”
    As Stephen Green concluded in his discussion of the incredible changes in U.S. policy toward Israel that took place during the Johnson era in ‘Taking Sides: America’s Secret Relations With A Militant Israel’:
    “By June of 1967, for a variety of reasons that prominently included ‘domestic political considerations,’ Lyndon Johnson and his team of foreign-policy advisors had completely revised U.S.-Israeli relations. To all intents and purposes, Israel had become the 51st state.”
    This was the exact opposite of what Kennedy’s attitude toward Israel was and had he lived we would probably have a different relationship with Israel today.’

    Former high-ranking U.S. diplomat Richard H. Curtiss, writing in ‘A Changing Image: American Perceptions of the Arab-Israeli Dispute’, elaborated on Kennedy’s attitude toward the Middle East controversy. In a chapter appropriately titled: “President Kennedy and Good Intentions Deferred Too Long,” Curtiss comments:
    “It is surprising to realize, with the benefit of hindsight, that from the time Kennedy entered office as the narrowly-elected candidate of a party heavily dependent upon Jewish support, he was planning to take a whole new look at U.S. Mideast policy.
    “He obviously could not turn the clock back and undo the work of President Truman, his Democratic predecessor, in making the establishment of Israel possible. Nor, perhaps, would he have wanted to.
    “Kennedy was determined, however, to develop good new personal relationships with individual Arab leaders, including those with whom the previous administration’s relations had deteriorated.
    Soon after Kennedy assumed office, Israel and its American lobby began to understand the import of Kennedy’s positioning in regard to the Arab-Israeli conflict. Israel was not happy – to say the very least – and began putting heat on the White House through its supporters in Congress, many of whom relied upon support from the Israeli lobby for campaign contributions and political leverage.
    By mid-1963 Israeli Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion hated Kennedy with a passion. In fact, he considered JFK a threat to the very survival of the Jewish State.

    Kennedy according to Curtiss cited four areas causing a strain in U.S.-Israel relations: 1) Israel’s diversion-from the Arab States-of the Jordan River waters; 2) Israel’s retaliatory raids against Arab forces in border areas; 3) Israel’s pivotal role in the Palestinian refugee problem; and 4) Israel’s insistence that the United States sell advanced Hawk missiles to Israel.

    “The President outlined to Mrs. Meir what has come to be called the Kennedy Doctrine. Kennedy told Meir that U.S. interests and Israel’s interests were not always the same.
    The Talbot memorandum described Kennedy’s forthright stance:
    “We know,”that Israel faces enormous security problems, but we do too. We came almost to a direct confrontation with the Soviet Union last spring and again recently in Cuba… Because we have taken on wide security responsibilities we always have the potential of becoming involved in a major crisis not of our own making.
    “Our security problems are, therefore, just as great as Israel’s. We have to concern ourself with the whole Middle East. We would like Israeli recognition that this partnership which we have with it produces strains for the United States in the Middle East… when Israel takes such action as it did last spring when Israel launched a raid into Syria, resulting in a condemnation by the UN Security Council. Whether right or wrong, those actions involve not just Israel but also the United States.”
    According to Seymour Hersh: “Israel’s bomb, and what to do about it, became a White House fixation – part of the secret presidential agenda that would remain hidden for the next thirty years.”

    In March, 1963, Sherman Kent, the Chairman of the Board of National Estimates at the CIA, wrote an extended memorandum to the CIA’s Director on the highly controversial subject entitled “Consequences of Israeli Acquisition of Nuclear Capability.”
    According to Stephen Green, for the purposes of this internal memorandum, Kent defined “acquisition” by Israel as either (a) a detonation of a nuclear device with or without the possession of actual nuclear weapons, or (b) an announcement by Israel that it possessed nuclear weapons, even without testing. Kent’s primary conclusion was that an Israeli bomb would cause ‘substantial damage to the U.S. and Western position in the Arab world.

    According to Green, “The memorandum was very strong and decidedly negative in its conclusions” which were as follows:
    “Even though Israel already enjoys a clear military superiority over its Arab adversaries, singly or combined, acquisition of a nuclear capability would greatly enhance Israel’s sense of security. In this circumstance, some Israelis might be inclined to adopt a moderate and conciliatory posture…
    “We believe it much more likely, however, that Israel’s policy toward its neighbors would become more rather than less tough. Israel would seek to exploit the psychological advantages of its nuclear capability to intimidate the Arabs and to prevent them from making trouble on the frontiers.”
    In dealing with the United States, the CIA analyst estimated, a nuclear Israel would “make the most of the almost inevitable Arab tendency to look to the Soviet Bloc for assistance against the added Israel threat, arguing that in terms of both strength and reliability Israel was clearly the only worthwhile friend of the U.S. in the area.
    “Israel,” in Kent’s analysis, “would use all the means at its command to persuade the U.S. to acquiesce in, and even to support, its possession of nuclear capability.”
    In short, Israel would use its immense political power – especially through its lobby in Washington – to force the United States to accede to Israel’s nuclear intentions.

    Stephen Green believes that Kennedy’s position vis-a-vis Israel was an important stand: “It was a remarkable exchange, and the last time in many, many years in which an American president precisely distinguished for the government of Israel the differences between U.S. and Israeli national security interests.”
    Thus it was that John F. Kennedy informed Israel, in no uncertain terms, that he intended – first and foremost – to place America’s interests – not Israel’s interests – at the center of U.S. Middle East policy.
    Kennedy’s friendly overtures to the Arab states were only a public aspect of what ultimately developed into an all-out ‘secret war’ between Kennedy and Israel.
    Another part of the all secret war between Kennedy and Israel according to Hersh was Ben-Gurion’s hated Kennedy because he consider his father an anti semite and Hitler supporter. Hersh wrote, “The Israeli prime minister, in subsequent private communications to the White House, began to refer to the President as ‘young man.’ Kennedy made clear to associates that he found the letters to be offensive.”
    Kennedy himself told his close friend, Charles Bartlett, that he was getting fed up with the fact that the Israeli “sons of bitches lie to me constantly about their nuclear capability.”
    Obviously, to say the very least, there was no love lost between the two leaders. The U.S.-Israeli relationship was at an ever-growing and disastrous impasse, although virtually nothing was known about this to the American public at the time.”…….Green

    • Agree: Iris
  99. renfro says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Pro-Israel jews are the “deep state” and their headquarters is the US congress.

  100. @Intelligent Dasein

    Yes, I believe that Oswald killed Kennedy. I have no reasonable doubt that Oswald alone fired the fatal shot.

    Very, very unlikely. It is doubtful that he fired any shot.

    • Replies: @Anon
  101. republic says:
    @Anon

    There seem to be a lot of small plane crashes which involve controversial politicians
    such as, JFK,Jr, Ron Brown, Wellstone, John Towers, Michael Connell, (Bush campaign it expert) to name but a few.
    There use to be detailed analysis of the Martha’s Vineyard crash on the web, but these seem
    To have been scrubbed lately and only official MSM versions are easily available.
    An exception to that rule is the book, Ron Brown’s body: how one man’s death saved
    The Clinton Presidency.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Wizard of Oz
  102. @Laurent Guyénot

    Hi Laurent,

    Am very gratified when busy U.R. authors engage comments corresponding to their articles. Thank you!

    Comment # 80, you wrote: “I did not mean to exonerate the CIA.”

    Above, I knew such was impossible since your mentioning having read James Douglass’s classic, “JFK and the Unspeakable.”

    Also you wrote:. My point is that CIA was not the mastermind…”

    Above, so it appears you believe that CIA depended upon the Israeli intelligence Lowerarchy as the JFK assassination planning / operational “mastermind?”

    Had he come squeaky clean, I intuit CIA Counterintelligence Chief James Jesus Angleton might support such a view as yours.

    Such smacks of how the ZUS military (Gitmo-based) tribunal deceptively presented Khalid Sheikh Mohammed (KSM) as the 9/11 terror attack “mastermind.”

    To conclude, am very pleased to have read this sentence: “And I liked Janney’s book.”

    F.y.i., just last month while attending a Delaware Valley High School varsity baseball game, while in the stands, I spoke with three (3) mother’s who lived in nearby, Milford, Pa. One lady taught public school.

    Regrettably, no one had any knowledge about Mary Pinchot Meyer’s JFK affair, brutal murder on the Georgetown canal-trail, and her Milford, Pa burial @ the Gifford Pinchot estate.

    Thanks very much, Laurent Guyenot!
    Continue to be honestly unflappable.

  103. Iris says:
    @Mr. Anon

    “They were a clan of reckless, smarmy, cynical politicians

    Their eldest, Joe Kennedy, died for his country in secret WW2 mission.

    https://www.jfklibrary.org/JFK/The-Kennedy-Family/Joseph-P-Kennedy-Jr.aspx

    There is nothing cynical about such ultimate patriotic sacrifice; the pompous Zionist posting on this thread could not even start to comprehend the adjective “patriotic”.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    , @Anon
  104. Sean says:
    @gsjackson

    He was a Texan (like Audie Murphy) and familiar with rifles from an early age. He was a trained rifleman who though not an expert shot scored 49 hits and one miss at a target 200 yards away. LHO was seen practicing at a rifle range before Dallas, and at a range of under 100 yards his performance in getting one fatal shot on Kennedy was good, not exceptional, even for a rusty and mediocre shot (which he was not).

    Charles Wittman was a Texan too, as was Chris Kyle.

    • Replies: @prusmc
    , @ians
  105. renfro says:

    I just have to say this about the Jew hasbara who insist people believe that the CIA is the ‘deep state’……when in fact the CIA and the FBI are the ONLY gov arms that aggressively go after Israel and the Jew fifth column in the US…..and it is ONLY Congress and/or the WH that has stopped them and interfered in their investigation time after time. As for the other retards who promote this—-you’re are dangerously stupid….so stupid you dont even know who the real deep state is.

    Here’s just one example of the CIA trying to clean out the jewish Israeli agents at the CIA.

    https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/F3/355/661/500422/

    On December 13, 1999, Ciralsky was terminated from his job as a lawyer for the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA). On July 19, 2000, Ciralsky filed suit against the CIA, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, and nine of their employees and agents, alleging that he had been “interrogated, harassed, surveilled and terminated from his employment with the CIA solely because he is a Jew and practices the Jewish religion.”

    689 F. Supp. 2d 141 (2010)
    Adam CIRALSKY, Plaintiff,
    v.
    CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY, et al., Defendants.
    Civil Action No. 00-1709-JDS.
    United States District Court, District of Columbia.
    February 26, 2010

    Shortly after he began working at the CIA, the Agency initiated a reinvestigation of Plaintiff’s security clearance, administering a series of polygraph examinations and interviews to evaluate his fitness. On August 19, 1997, Plaintiff failed a polygraph examination. In the month following this polygraph session, various CIA employees interviewed Plaintiff on four separate occasions. At one of these interviews on September 11, 1997, Plaintiff was given a laptop computer and told to use it to document and explain issues arising out of the failed polygraph session of August 19, 1997. Plaintiff returned this laptop to the CIA on September 29, 1997. The veracity of Plaintiff’s declarations in these interviews was tested through another polygraph examination on October 3, 1997.

    Following the reinvestigation, the CIA advanced the process of revoking Plaintiff’s security clearance. On October 20, 1997, the CIA placed Plaintiff on administrative leave and informed him that an employee review panel (“ERP”) would reconsider his access to classified information. After Plaintiff submitted a memorandum defending himself, the ERP met on or about November 21, 1997, and recommended that the CIA revoke Plaintiff’s security clearance and terminate his employment. After reviewing two additional memoranda submitted by Plaintiff in response to certain damaging information, the ERP maintained its initial recommendation when it reconsidered the matter on March 6, 1998. Records of both ERP meetings describe the panel’s concern to be Plaintiff’s failure to disclose information about and lack of candor regarding several contacts that were or may have been involved in the Israeli security establishment. See Pl.’s Mot. for Disc. Attach. 1 and 2 (official summaries of ERP meetings).

    There are more….peruse this very informative thread on an article for more examples of the CIA and FBI efforts……..http://mondoweiss.net/2013/03/convicted-suggests-israeli/

    • Agree: Cloak And Dagger
    • Replies: @Patsy Klein
  106. j2 says:
    @Sean

    “The UK also developed nuclear weapons, as did France. The incredibility of America blowing its own brains out by getting into a nuclear exchange to defend Britain, France or Israel meant that those countries having their own nuclear deterrent suited America.”

    As the article we are commenting mentions, JFK wanted inspections on Israel nuclear weapon program, which unlike those of UK and France, was secret and denied. Israel was not yet the best friend of the USA. JFK had to ponder what should be the US-Arab relations. Trump is now against North Korean and Iranian nuclear weapons, yet he is not opposing British and French nuclear weapons. So, we know JFK was trying to stop the Israel nuclear weapon program and probably would have offered US protection instead.

    JFK was killed by somebody. This somebody had power to modify Audiograph data in 1970ies. This data was available to CIA, FBI and the Warren Commission members, maybe also to others. CIA had dealings with mafia concerning assassination of Castro. The mafia that had been in Havana was Lansky’s mafia. Thus, CIA had dealings with Lansky’s gangsters. Dulles, LBJ and Angleton did not like JFK’s policies, especially towards Israel. Israel was weak at that time, but had friends in the US, like Lansky, Angleton, LBJ, Dulles. Together these might have pulled the assassination, but even together they could not make the coverup by media. There had to be media and the US media has a tendency to silence one topic only. No President can control the media, the CIA can influence, but not control, mafia cannot control media. Only one power can do it and does it.

    We do not need to know if the reason for the assassination was the Israel atomic bomb program (though it is likely and a sufficient reason). We only need to know who could coverup the issue and especially cover it up in media.

    I looked at this JFK stuff after accidentally watching a video by Donald B. Thomas, where he explained his echo analysis of the Dictabelt. His paper was refuted by former members of the Warren Commission. I checked, did not fully agree with Thomas but got more or less similar conclusions, I think I did it more correctly being much closer to the field than Thomas. The response by these Warren Commission members was false, in my opinion intentionally, so I checked what might be their backgrounds. This showed that echo analysis must always be done.

    • Replies: @j2
    , @Sean
  107. @renfro

    Great stuff, renfro! Thank you!

  108. @Anon

    I doubt Oswald was a genuine Communist, he knew David Ferrie (who was hated Communism) in the 1950s, it may have been Ferrie who got him involved in the CIA, and I suspect it was the CIA that sent Oswald to the USSR

    Once he returned from the USSR and got involved with pro Castro groups in the US he was the perfect fall goy in the plot to murder Kennedy

    An interesting fact, when his car made the turn past the book depository LBJ ducked down to tie his shoe laces just as the shooting started, strangely he also wanted Connolly to travel in his car not with JFK

    There was at least one other plot to assassinate Kennedy, in the Chicago plot the patsy was to be another former Marine called Thomas Vallee

    • Replies: @Anon
  109. j2 says:
    @j2

    Sorry, they were not Warren Commission members, they were members of a scientific panel, which refuted the House Select Committee of Assassinations findings. Anyway, I checked their backgrounds as their paper was strangely wrong when there were Nobelists in the group.()

  110. The author made the point to me that English is not his first language, though he certainly writes it well, and that his mention of serial numbers may have been misleading. It was, at least for me. In any event I retract my criticism.

  111. Robjil says:
    @Anon

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vehk03v23y4 This documentary goes into great detail about the many strange things going on the day of the JFK Jr’s crash.
    The missing seat, flying instructor’s seat – taken out of the plane ? How long it took to find the plane? JFK jr was another Kennedy assassination.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @republic
  112. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @John Gruskos

    I totally agree with you. That’s my take. Oswald the pro Castro life long communist worked right on the Kennedy parade route.

    Sirhan’s bother was killed by an Israeli bombing of a crowded intersection. His father was fired from a 25 year job with the City of Jerusalem with no pension. Family rental property was confiscated with no compensation

    When Sirhan was 4 armed Israeli soldiers invaded the family home and gave the family 1 hour to leave. No compensation of course. Family moved from a nice 10 room house to a pilgrims hostel run by the Greek Orthodox Church to which they belonged.

    Family ended up in Pasadena Ca. Summer of 1967 the papers were full of RFK’s promises to Israel. Sirhan believed those articles. So he shot that supreme scum bag RFK.

    RFK was absolutely into the Democrat party War on Whites. He was marching with Cesear Chavez and worshipped MLK. He persecuted, not prosecuted the White male Teamsters Union. Had he been elected he would have enforced affirmative action and pro Hispanic & pro black activism as eagerly as 2 other anti White Presidents, Johnson and Nixon did. RFK was pro black from the day his brother became president

    Personally, I don’t give a rats ass about who killed the pro Hispanic pro black enemy of Whites, RFK.

    • Replies: @David In TN
    , @renfro
  113. Iris says:

    Just a side note: there is a surviving witness of the Robert Kennedy assassination , Paul Schrade.

    He attended Sirhan’s parole bid in 2016, and told the panel that he believed Sirhan shot him at the hotel, but that an unidentified second shooter killed Mr Kennedy.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/feb/11/robert-f-kennedys-killer-loses-15th-parole-bid-as-witness-says-its-my-fault

    Interestingly, even hard core MSM report the inconsistencies within the official inquiry:
    But the autopsy showed the candidate was shot from behind, with evidence that indicated he was hit at close range. ”

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5796895/Robert-Kennedys-daughter-backs-brothers-call-new-investigation-fathers-death.html

    • Replies: @Anon
  114. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Murdoch’s maternal grandfather was a Rabbi. That makes him and his mother Jewish. And I doubt a rabbi’s daughter would raise her children completely no Jewish whether religuous or tribal ethnic Jewish.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  115. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @SunBakedSuburb

    Red Scare?? If you can’t read any of the numerous books written about the Verona Papers and Soviet KGB archives opened after 1990, at least ask Mr. Google about them.

    Both archives reveal that the HUAC and McCarthy & FBI investigations show that there were many, many more Soviet spies entrenched in the federal government during and after the FDR administration that the HUAC & McCarthy investigations ever revealed.

    • Replies: @Anon
  116. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Does your post have anything to do with your disbelief in Darwin and evolution and the Bible history that goes back to God’s creation of the world 6,000 years ago?

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
  117. Iris says:
    @schrub

    Thanks for highlighting this: same old methods.

    A less sanitized page about the Zionist Mata-Hari:

    http://michaelsantomauro.blogspot.com/2011/09/servicing-commander-in-chief.html

  118. @Mike Sylwester

    [It's not good commenting policy to produce a continuing series of lengthy totally unsourced excerpts, spread over series of different comments, which makes it difficult for others to avoid them. They have now been consolidated, but you should stop this sort of bad behavior.]

  119. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @republic

    You’re right. But there’s also a lot of small plane ceashes that involve entertainment people especially musicians on tour.

    Could it be that politicians musicians some businessmen and wealthier than average people use small planes more than the rest of us who just drive and use airlines when traveling?

    • Replies: @LondonBob
  120. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Robjil

    I don’t watch YouTubes. If someone can’t get it together enough to write a coherent account of their theories it’s worthless.

    There’s a dozen YouTubes and internet articles about Kennedy’s lack of instrument certification and the unusual fog of the century that night.

    If anyone killed him it would be Hildabeast. You Kennedy worshipers do realize that Joe Kennedy created a massive Kennedy worshipful PR machines back in the 1920s and it’s more powerful now than ever or do you?

    joe Kennedy 3 is running for President. He is the one who nearly died of a heroin overdose on a plane trip. He is raising questions about his father s death as a means of getting publicity and sympathy for his campaign from all the old baby boomers who remember the Kennedy deaths

    • Replies: @Robjil
    , @MacNucc11
  121. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says:

    We can always connect the dots to match anything with anyone.

    But the only smoking gun on JFK is Oswald did it. And the only smoking gun on RFK is Sirhan did it.

    Remember Wallace got shot too. And there was a plot on Ford. And Reagan nearly got killed.

    Now, given Deep State behavior in recent times, I can believe there are scumbags who are capable of anything.

    Still, we need something more than connect-the-dots. And this article is mostly conjecture and speculation.

  122. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Iris

    RFK was not shot from behind. There was one shot right at his ear which is on the side, not back if the head. The rest were in the front

    • Replies: @ians
  123. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    Both archives reveal that the HUAC and McCarthy & FBI investigations show that there were many, many more Soviet spies entrenched in the federal government during and after the FDR administration that the HUAC & McCarthy investigations ever revealed.

    Yes, but McCarthy played it badly by going after too many people with tenuous connections with communists and radicals. Just because your side is right doesn’t mean your side should give into hysteria.

    Also, by McCarthy came on the scene, most of the spies had been captured and Soviet intelligence had effectively been ended in the US. So, McCarthy just kept looking for more and more suspects, and it got a bit ridiculous.

    We saw the same problem after 9/11. Yes, the government had been lax in security and there needed to be more vigilance. But Bush II and Co. over-played their hand and even used 9/11 as hysteria for war with Iraq.

    • Replies: @Anon
  124. Funny how RFK’s kid comes out and acknowledges the obvious, that CIA whacked his family, and all of a sudden this frog Guyenot shows up in multiple alt media with his Orientalism shtik saying, oh wait, it was the Zionazis.

    https://alethonews.com/2018/06/02/robert-f-kennedy-jr-is-roiling-the-assassination-waters/

    You see, CIA was just kidding about murdering Kennedy but those crafty Jews got away from them and really did it, Oops! Just like all those incompetent pilots got away from CIA on 9/11 and really did what CIA only pretended they could do so we could catch them red-handed. Oops!

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-blatant-conspiracy-behind-senator-robert-f-kennedys-assassination/5642125

    Cracks me up, CIA’s still trying to shit you even though they’re so utterly, hopelessly busted that they have to blame it on the Jewish State, the most despised shithole on earth. CIA’s running out of people who are more despicable and full of crap than them.

    • Replies: @Iris
    , @anon
    , @Anon
  125. prusmc says: • Website
    @Sean

    Interesting. When Oswald was in boot camp he scored as sharp-shooter between 210 and 219 points out of 250. HE would fire 10 rounds slow fire from the off-hand (standing) position from 200 yards. Then later he would fire 10 rounds rapid fire in 60 seconds from the standing to sitting position. So this hitting 49 of 50 rounds from 200 yards is a cock and bull story.
    What is not a cock and bull story is a beer drinking session in spring 1959 with Sergeants Dean Nelson from Arkansas, Leroy Alsbury and another Sergeant Dorsey from Illinois at enlisted club MCAS El Toro, California. Topic turned to a Marine who was at a near by station called LTA. They knew him from Japan and said he was frequently in trouble and he was convinced that the US was corrupt for among other things “using germ warfare in Korea”. They said he was called Ossie Rabbit.

  126. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says:
    @(((They))) Live

    I doubt Oswald was a genuine Communist, he knew David Ferrie (who was hated Communism) in the 1950s, it may have been Ferrie who got him involved in the CIA, and I suspect it was the CIA that sent Oswald to the USSR. Once he returned from the USSR and got involved with pro Castro groups in the US he was the perfect fall goy in the plot to murder Kennedy.

    Oswald needed some kind of Ism to give meaning to his marginal life. Playing Marxist radical gave his life meaning. It was more about personality than ideology.

    He hung around anti-communist types because he saw himself as a brilliant agent-provocateur who would play all sides in a 5D chess. He was seriously deluded as a mover and shaker of history when he was a total non-entity. The fact is no one gave a damn about him. Even Russians found him useless and didn’t want him. When he defected to Russia, he thought he would be accepted as a great hero. Russians just sent him to a factory to work. Back in the US, he wanted attention, but no one gave it to him. Radical and Marxist groups had no use for him. He was too low, too un-intellectual.
    So, he created his own Narrative as a man who would rub shoulders with all sides to make something happen. So, it was disingenuous for him to bitch that he was just a ‘patsy’. He put himself in places to play the role of ‘patsy’ to all sides. It’s what he relished as he wanted to be where the action is. But he was useless as a patsy.

    So, he finally decided to do something big and kill JFK. But he didn’t even have the guts to say he did it. He ran like a chicken and killed a cop.

    I suspect Ruby was sent by the Mafia to kill Oswald. Why? Even though mafia didn’t order the hit, it feared that Oswald would blab about the mafia because the idiot met some mafia types when he was dillydallying with anti-Castro factions.

    • Replies: @ANON
  127. @renfro

    renfro insightfully wrote:
    “By mid-1963 Israeli Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion hated Kennedy with a passion. In fact, he considered JFK a threat to the very survival of the Jewish State.”

    Hi renfro,

    In contrast, & as you may might know, Ben-Gurion loved GOP, Richard M. Nixon, who became the 1st sitting-USrael president to visit Israel!

    F.y.i., On comeback trail, RMN wrote an interesting book titled “Leaders” in which David Ben-Gurion is deified.

    Thanks for such thoughtful posts, renfro.

    P.S.:
    Below is a work of political-satire which was also posted by “The Smirking Chimp” web site, & afterward, the concerned editor badgered me for anti-semitism, & subsequently, I became the Smirking Chimp’s U-peel Shrimp!

    https://www.uncommonthought.com/mtblog/archives/2017/02/17/prime-minister-netanyahus-crazy-negevist-bedroom-enterprise.php

  128. LondonBob says:
    @Anon

    Yes but I read a mobster’s autobiography, Chauncey Holt, and he said tinkering with a guy’s plane was a great way to off someone. As you note plane crashes happen.

  129. @renfro

    Renfro:

    Despite my reservations about the statement, “Only Israel had anything to gain from Kennedy’s murder.”, I find this comment be very well organized and persuasive.

    While I don’t think intent to somehow disrupt the zionist occupier of Palestine lands acquiring nuclear weapons capability and actual armaments as the only potential disposition of JFK, which would have made him a target of the Torah-Pharisees-Talmud global collective, I agree that even by itself, it would have.

    [See my post: http://www.unz.com/article/did-israel-kill-the-kennedies/#comment-2357245 above, if you care to, and haven't already.]

    Thank you for your contribution; I appreciate it.

  130. @John Gruskos

    Well, I agree with Wiz and Anon, that your post is sane. What is obvious, however, is that you either haven’t done your homework or are a sophisticated troll. James Douglas’ JFK and the Unspeakable, which sums up decades of research is a good place to start. Peter Dale Scott’s Deep Politics and the Death of JFK is also essential to get a sense of some of the moving parts and the need for humility, in approaching the matter.

  131. Them Guys says:
    @Cold N. Holefield

    I agree. And have come to the conclusion that, once one gets very jewized up and comprehends just how involved international jewry and its current political offspring of Zionists are, in so many events. That they really do represent also a true misfortune for the entire world of non jewish goyim.

    And furthermore, I have concluded that due to so many bad, wrong, evil ongoing events that are headed by or consist of an huge number of jews involved within them. That at this late date point in time, it would almost be better when discussing various past and current and even likely future events, as far as jewish involvments, to instead ask the question of…

    What Is there that history has proven as evil or wrong within such events, that jews have Not been involved in or with eh?

    Because the deeper you go into such events and infos, and ergo the longer back in past times one delves into such issues…The more one learns of a constant jewish involvement throughout history going back at least 3,500 yrs ago!…..35-Centuries so far, with most times each century getting worse and more evil due to their insidious craving of remaining stiff necked and stubborn, and always unwilling to repent or change period.

    And yes yes…I know there are a few so called good jews…But imho those good types number very very few when compared to jewry as a whole. For I consider their huge silent bunch of tribe members as willing accomplices, and based upon the ever ongoing group silence we see no matter which jews do wrongs and no matter how bad those wrongs are. No other logic nor sane conclusion can be had.

    And for immediate proof examples of how their majority tribe members always cover for, deny wrongs, toss out straw men, or simply revert to the time tested method of…Fully ignore all presented facts, and begin to use vile slanderous name calls of “Nazis” and “Antisemite” etc. One only need read any of the many articles here on This forum, as well as all other website forums that have become infested with Zionist jews and hasbara agents.

    And for these reasons one must also conclude is the main reason that every time jews get booted from another host nation, the entire bunch bar none get booted out. Yes that means those few good jews also get booted out, which some can argue is unfair…But after 109 host nations and around a total of 300+ boot outs since about 1800 yrs ago…Well one can also understand why a host nation, having no good method to determine accurately which are the few good ones, always ends up giving the big boot out to them all eh.

    And also one can conclude that most everything jews have complained about for that entire 3,500 years and still do today, has been caused by jews themselves by their own disgusting ways and traits and evil criminalities etc…..There simply would be zero so called antisemitism if there were zero jews within a nation period. But good luck in attempting to convince any jews of such truths.

    One of the very best and most accurate descriptions yet I have read or heard of regarding jewry and why they have been so despised by so many distinctly different groups of gentiles, and in so many different locations and in so many eras of time has to be what the new testament verses about them states…(Paraphraseing here) “For they are the adversaries of God and of All of Mankind”!

    That single short verse speaks volumes of past and present truths.

  132. Iris says:
    @Modified limited variant hangout

    Laurent Guyenot is not trying to cover for the CIA.

    He is a highly-educated professional engineer, who never needed to get involved in political writing in the first place.

    http://www.voltairenet.org/auteur125605.html?lang=en

    He has been consistently debunking political manipulation over the last 10 years. He does so with objectivity and measure, and thanks to his hard work and erudition. He tries to avoid baiting into easy and stupid conspiracy theories, such as the ones promoted by Michael Moore and Alex Jones.

    Mr Guyenot has loyal and long-standing readers within the French-speaking world, where he is highly respected (and ignored by MSM, which is a badge of honour).
    He mostly publishes on a right-wing, populist website that attracts readers from all political shades, thanks to their more honest and overt positions.

    https://www.egaliteetreconciliation.fr/

  133. bj says:

    I just read from Yahweh to Zion: Jealous God, Chosen People, Promised Land…..and Clash Of Civilizations. The book is an excellent history of the nefarious role played by Jews in the cycle of civilizations for thousands of years up to the JFK assassination and 9/11 which feature Jews in supporting and initiating roles. These two mentioned events are arguably the endgame of the Anglo-Zionist Empire. The destroyers indeed!

    The JFK assassination and 9/11 featured Jews documenting the event for celebration and narrative control. The dancing Israelis and Abraham Zapruder were on site at the exact moment of the mortal event. What a coincidence the Jew Chorus shouts! I would like to know more about Abraham Zapruder, born in the Ukraine in 1905. Did he know the Zionist founders of the apartheid state?

    https://www.amazon.com/Yahweh-Zion-Jealous-Promised-Civilizations/dp/0996143041

    • Replies: @Erebus
  134. What I want to say that is that your macroscopic perspective and desire for the simple explanation does not obviate the facts of the case.

  135. @gsjackson

    A friend of mine visited the Book Depository and was struck by how close Oswald was. It was an easy shot.

    The question the conspiracy idiots don’t consider is: If the “deep state” wanted to get rid of him, why not expose JFK in a sex scandal forcing his resignation?

    It would be (a lot) safer than a “conspiracy” composed of the entire government. A forced resignation from a sex scandal would make Kennedy a laughing stock and totally disgrace him. The assassination made him a martyr, causing the passage of every measure he had favored.

    The fallout concerning the East German woman from Bobby Baker’s stable whom JFK had consorted with was still bubbling on November 22, 1963.

  136. Art says:

    We see more and more articles about “the Jews killed the Kennedys.” True or not, this is not good for the Jews. This opens the floodgates to “the Jews did 9/11.”

    Defending 9/11 is problematic for the Jews. There are many many angles that are impossible to defend.

    Think Peace — Art

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
  137. @Wizard of Oz

    Wiz of Oz,
    Are you a troll or a Zionist sympathizer? Giving birth by a Zionist the child is a Zionist or Zionist sympathizer even if he or she doesn’t acknowledge it! This can go back as far as 7 generations if you really like to know!
    Your comments are worthless indicating you have nothing to say or to add to the subject matter! Bye!

  138. @Anon

    RFK was NOT going to win the presidency in 1968. A few weeks before his death, he lost the Oregon primary to Eugene McCarthy. RFK couldn’t get enough votes beyond his black base to win a general election. A poll in late May 1968 had him running 10 points behind Nixon. Robert Kennedy was about as out of touch with Middle America as George McGovern would be for years later.

    Hubert Humphrey was way ahead in delegates and in those days the “bosses” still had control. Humphrey was better liked than Bobby withing the party. The New York primary was going to give Bobby a poor result for his “home state.”

    Although, RFK won the California primary, his 46-42 margin was 3-4 points lower than expected and was due to a heavy black and Mexican vote. Bobby still didn’t do well enough with white voters.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @prusmc
  139. utu says:

    If we reject the official versions of JFK and RFK assassinations and assume they were results of conspiracies with Oswald and Sirhan as active players or patsies then we must go by the qui bono, cui prodest, cuius bonum legal principle which certainly will not prove who were the conspirators but will point to the most likely conspirators.

    In case of JFK it is pretty obvious that Israel was the greatest beneficiary of his death because of JFK determination to stop Israel’s nuclear program. Some correspondence of JFK with PM’s of Israel is available on line. Israel defense doctrine was formulate to be based on what later was called Samson Option. In 1963 Israel still cooperated with France on its secret nuclear program.

    JFK definitively was set on stopping Israel nuclear program which Israel was conducting in secret cooperation with France. After strong letter on May 18, 163 letter PM Ben Gurion preferred to resign than to answer the letter:

    https://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-Ed-Contributors/When-Ben-Gurion-said-no-to-JFK
    Finally, Kennedy had enough, and in a personal letter dated May 18, 1963, the president warned that unless American inspectors were allowed into Dimona (meaning the end of any military activities), Israel would find itself totally isolated. Rather than answering, Ben-Gurion abruptly resigned. Kennedy’s repeated emphasis on America’s “deep commitment to the security of Israel” was all well and good, but, as seen after Egypt’s sudden expulsion of UN peacekeepers in 1967, Israel could not depend on anyone – even the US.

    Ben-Gurion’s successor, Levi Eshkol received Kennedy’s next letter, which upped the pressure, warning that the American commitment and support of Israel “could be seriously jeopardized.”

    At the same time RFK as AG was considering forcing pro Israel lobbies to register as Foreign Agents. The last before JFK death communication from DOJ was on 10/11/1963: DOJ Demanded for AZC Registration “the Department expects a response from you within 72 hours with regard to this matter.” Six days later

    http://www.israellobby.org/azcdoj/
    “Judge Rifkind then made a plea for no registration, stating it was the opinion of most of the persons affiliated with the Council that such registration would be so publicized by the American Council on Judaism that it would eventually destroy the Zionist movement…he did not believe his clients would file any papers or sign any papers indicating that the organization was an agent of a foreign principal. I told him that any such information or material that is supplied on that basis would be made part of the Department’s public files available for inspection by the public…”

    In DOJ internal memo on 4/30/1964 before replacing RFK as AG with Nicholas Katzenbach the following was stated: “This is the most blatant stall we have encountered. Do you mind suggesting what we do next because all of us here would call their records before a grand jury.” RFK resigns as AG in September 1964. When Katzenbach became acting AG and then AG exchanges between Jewish lobby and DOJ continued but no action was taken by DOJ. Eventually on n 11/27/1967, four years and five days after JFK’s death AIPAC applies for a federal tax exemption. The lobby has won.

    As far as RFK is concerned the conspirators could not allow him to become president, period. His assassination is predicated on conspiracy of JFK assassination and subsequent cover up. If we assume that Sirhan was indeed hypnotized patsy conspirators seem to overdid the cover story and the created legend (though it worked for most people who bought the story) by trying to bring attention to Palestinians who were allegedly upset with RFK’s strong pro-Israel stance. The problem with the story is that RFK did not demonstrate that he had strong pro-Israeli position. Anyway, most people got a message that RFK got killed because he was pro-Israel, so certainly Israel was off the suspect list, right?

    Since the two assassinations dozens of theories were floated, including the most ridiculous ones, like that Onassis was behind it, which got public exposure often in MSM. The only theory that can’t get any traction in MSM is the one linking Israel.

    • Agree: Iris, renfro
    • Replies: @renfro
  140. @Tyrion 2

    A great place to run such an operation, no?

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  141. anon[228] • Disclaimer says:
    @Modified limited variant hangout

    JKF’s wife believed it was LBJ who killed her husband
    .. LBJ was in the pocket of the Jews.

  142. @Intelligent Dasein

    “Yes, I believe that Oswald killed Kennedy. I have no reasonable doubt that Oswald alone fired the fatal shot.”

    You mean the magic bullet?

  143. @David In TN

    A “friend”? Yeah, right. Fuck you.

    • Replies: @David In TN
  144. @Monty Ahwazi

    He is indeed both a troll and a Zionist sympathizer, but he’s also a gigantic ass-hat whose capacity for long-winded bullshit is unsurpassed.

  145. @John Gruskos

    Although this is actually an insightful comment, you overlook the fact that Organized Jewry has no problem turning on former acolytes (even fellow Jews) who are not completely lockstep with the party line.

  146. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    The tenuous connections were not all that tenuous. For instance Owen Latimore was indeed a soviet agent who influenced many state department operatives.

    The real reasons McCarthy was brought down was that the entire communist operation was so heavily Jewish. It’s really a wonder that the Rosenbergs were arrested and found guilty.

  147. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Modified limited variant hangout

    I read that silly RFK the dead messiah would have cured the problems thing you posted. What a crock.

    JFK MLK RFK the holy trinity what a load.

    Robert Kennedy jr is running for president. He just wants to get his name in the papers and the internet and get votes from all the baby boomers who grow up when the media was so worshipful of the Kennedys and MLK.

  148. @Intelligent Dasein

    I’m really beginning to wonder what Ron Unz is doing with his website. Last week we got that moronic article by 9/11 doucher David Lorimer, and now we are treated to a 10,000 word disquisition about how Israel assassinated the Kennedys—both of which articles are rather baseless canards but are deeply emotionally appealing to a certain coterie of contrarians and which are sure to attract (and have attracted) the most odious collection of commenters who are both uninterested in and oblivious to the the truth about any of it.

    I would be disappointed if all the articles on unz.com were like this one; but it is better to have some articles that we might consider moronic, than to expect Ron Unz to personally arbitrate between fact and fiction on readers’ behalf – as the NYT and WP do.

    There will always be boundaries on what can be published, and IMHO in most media the boundaries are far too narrow. It is better if the boundaries are over-broad than over-narrow. A possible downside with over-broad boundaries is that bad stories might “taint” good ones, by association; on the other hand, a narrow scope might be taken to imply that the publisher endorses each article.

    The same with commenters: IMHO it is better to have some that are odious, than to give moderators the job of removing any comments that could reasonably be considered offensive. It is not difficult to scan the comments and skip past the ones that are not informative.

    On the article itself, it did make us think about the headline question for half an hour – even if most of us agree that Betteridge’s Law Of Headlines applies in this case. I looked up the JFK Jr case again, remembering the official story that his plane crashed into the sea during very heavy rain – only to find that this is not the official story at all (JFK Jr was supposedly disoriented by conditions that were merely hazy). So who spread the “heavy rain” story and why? And if the Israelis killed JFK Jr, should we remove his name from the “Clinton body count”?

    Nowadays we accept that Israel, India and Pakistan have nuclear weapons. It is worth remembering that in the sixties the Israeli nuclear weapons program was a shocking secret, and it remained so until 1986 when Mordechai Vananu told the story. JFK’s opposition to Dimona, and the possible Israeli reaction to it, must be seen in this context.

    • Replies: @redmudhooch
  149. Robjil says:
    @Anon

    Michael Rivero has examined the many clues that JFK JR was assassinated. Here are some of clues that he found. We don’t have a “free” press in our MSM. Investigating or questioning the narratives given to us by our “free controlled press” is considered “conspiracy theories”.

    Having established that the government and the media have a prior (and quite deplorable) record of deliberate lies to the public, let us look at how the official story of the crash of John F. Kennedy Jr’s plane evolved, and why it is suspect.
    As first reported by United Press International, John F. Kennedy Jr. on approach to Martha’s Vineyard in 8 mile visibility, was in radio contact with the ground, calmly informing them of his intentions to drop off a passenger before proceeding to Hyannis airport. Then, according to ABC News, JFK Jr’s plane went into a steep dive, and crashed.
    However, even before the wreckage was found, the story being put out in the media began to change. Gone was the previously reported radio conversation a calm JFK Jr. had with ground personnel just before the plane fell out of the sky, replaced by a declaration from the NTSB that JFK Jr. had not used his radio at all as he approached Martha’s Vineyard. Gone also was the originally reported 8 mile visibility while the media began to hammer home the claim that Martha’s Vineyard had been totally blanketed with a haze so heavy that pilots in the air would have been blind.
    No sooner were the various stories put out but they quickly fell apart.
    Here are some examples.
    PROPAGANDA: JFK Jr. was lost.
    FACT: When JFK Jr. radioed controllers on the Cape (as reported on Boston TV News) to announce his approach to Martha’s Vineyard, radar showed him to be just where he stated he was and at the correct altitude for the approach.
    PROPAGANDA: JK Jr. was in “over his head”.
    FACT: JFK Jr’s conversational tone on the radio reveals that he was calm. He was not disoriented. He didn’t ask for directions. He didn’t indicate he had any problem at all. He clearly was confident he was going to find the airport and land.
    PROPAGANDA: JFK Jr. stalled the plane.
    FACT: The radar track shows that he was well above stall speed.
    PROPAGANDA: JFK Jr. went into a steep turn and lost his horizon.
    FACT: There is no reason for JFK Jr. to have been in any turn at all at that point on the flight path leading into the airport. He was already lined up with the main runway at Martha’s Vineyard airport.
    PROPAGANDA: JFK Jr. didn’t know his altitude and simply “flew into the ocean”.
    FACT: The radar track shows him flying at the proper altitude, then (as ABC News put it) “falling out of the sky”.
    PROPAGANDA: JFK Jr. lost his instruments, and that is why he could not handle the dark and hazy (?) conditions
    FACT: The fact that the radar was getting good data from his encoding altimeter proves his instruments were operating.
    PROPAGANDA: JFK Jr. would have lost his artificial horizon if the vacuum pump failed in the aircraft.
    FACT: MSNBC is the only media outlet to have tried to hype this one, using a self-proclaimed “aviation expert”. His claim is also false, as there is a backup vacuum system in the pitot assembly of that aircraft.
    PROPAGANDA JFK Jr. was a reckless pilot.
    FACT: This claim was planted everywhere in the media, always attributed to an “unnamed source”. One reporter, Cindy Adams at the New York Post, later had cause to suspect she had been lied to. So did Andrew Goldman at the New York Observer. Interviews with individuals directly familier with JFK Jr’s flying ability shown on Inside Edition confirmed that he was a highly skilled and careful pilot.
    PROPAGANDA JFK Jr’s wife was afraid to fly with him.
    FACT: Again a story attributed to “unnamed sources”, and again debunked by the interviews shown on Inside Edition. JFK Jr’s wife had no problem flying with JFK Jr. and flew with him often.
    PROPAGANDA JFK Jr. had only 40 hours experience.
    FACT: He had 40 hours in that one aircraft. His total experience was about 300 hours, more than enough to qualify him for a commercial pilot’s license. According to FAA statistics, 300 hours made him a more careful and safer pilot than one with 1000 hours, who is more complacent.
    PROPAGANDA The weather was very hazy.
    FACT: The FAA issued VFR weather conditions that night, and the weather report (mentioned in the UPI story) called for 8 mile visibility. One witness on shore reported that there was very little haze and that standing on the shore, he could see airplanes out over the ocean on approach to the island, proof that airplanes on the approach could see the shore. This claim is backed up not only by the weather report of 8 mile visibility, but by a weather radar image taken at about the time of the crash. This radar image is showing haze and fog along New York and Long Island (if this radar image were of clouds, the FAA would not have declared VFR flying conditions that night) but none at all at Martha’s Vineyard. On the morning after the crash, CNN reported that weather could be ruled out as a factor in the crash!
    PROPAGANDA: Martha’s Vineyard is very dark and won’t show through the haze.
    FACT: That may have been true only a few months ago. However, as evidenced by a Letter to the Editor of the Martha’s Vineyard Times just days after the JFK Jr. crash, new lights installed on the island, lights that point up in the sky, are so bright they are drawing complaints from island residents.
    That the Kennedy family has been the target of political assassination is a part of the American political landscape. It’s a given.
    That cover-ups surrounded the deaths of Kennedys is also a given.
    That our government lies to us, with the media’s help, is a given.
    There is good cause to assume we are being lied to yet again.

    Read more: John F. Kennedy Jr.: Evidence Of A Cover up | WHAT REALLY HAPPENED http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/CRASH/JFK_JR/jj.php#ixzz5HPd8Ta8x

  150. During that same 1962-63 period Senator William J. Fulbright of Arkansas, Chairman of the Committee on Foreign Relations, convened hearings on the legal status of the American Zionist Council (AZC). The Committee uncovered evidence that the Jewish Agency, a predecessor to the state of Israel, operated a massive network of financial “conduits” which funnelled funds to U.S. Israel lobby groups. As a result, Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy (RFK) ordered the AZC to openly register and disclose all of its foreign funded lobbying activity in the United States. The attempt was subsequently thwarted first by the Israel lobby itself and then by the death of President Kennedy which lead to growing concerns regarding the impact of the ever-growing Zionist influence on U.S. policy making decisions. On April 15, 1973, Fulbright — who lost his Senate seat the following year — had no qualms about boldly announcing on CBS Face the Nation that :

    “Israel controls the U.S. Senate. The Senate is subservient, much too much; we should be more concerned about U.S. interests rather than doing the bidding of Israel. The great majority of the Senate of the U.S. —somewhere around 80%— is completely in support of Israel; anything Israel wants; Israel gets. This has been demonstrated time and again, and this has made [foreign policy] difficult for our government.”

    AIPAC eludes US law, part of international lobby for Israel

    https://israelpalestinenews.org/aipac-eludes-us-law-part-international-lobby-israel/

    The most powerful and effective foreign-government lobby in Washington is so dominant that it has been able to avoid registering for the past 55 years. The American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) was last confronted by FARA when its predecessor organization the American Zionist Council was pressured by John F. Kennedy’s Justice Department in 1962 and 1963. Kennedy’s death stopped that effort—and ended White House attempts to hold Israel accountable for the development of its secret nuclear weapons program (which depended on nuclear material removed illegally from the United States with the connivance of a company located in Pennsylvania called NUMEC).

    A Jewish Defector Warns America:
    Benjamin H. Freedman Speaks on Zionism

    https://youtu.be/8geLlIYpvLA

  151. Wally says:
    @David In TN

    And no doubt your ‘friend’ could have fired the “magic bullet” as well.

    “Sex scandal”? LOL

    That would have taken years to have had any impact, if at all.

    And since when do sex scandals force Presidents to retire.

    Given your logic, a sex scandal could have been used against Lincoln, therefore John Wilkes Booth is innocent.

    • Replies: @David In TN
  152. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @David In TN

    I visited the Book depository when I was in Dallas for a week and noted that the distance was short, the window was way above the street and it would have been an easy shot. I doubt a Marine would have missed.

    What’s really silly is the way people who’ve never held any type of gun in their lives keep insisting that Oswald’s score on the Marine marksman test proves he was a bad shot. Just because he didn’t get the highest score doesn’t mean he wasn’t capable of firing the shot that killed Kennedy.

    • Replies: @ians
  153. @Them Guys

    Fun article…. I wonder why these countries are “antisemetic” ???? Hmmmm…. what could it be?????

    ADL Poll of Over 100 Countries Finds More Than One-Quarter of Those Surveyed Infected With Anti-Semitic Attitudes

    https://www.adl.org/news/press-releases/adl-global-100-poll

    The top countries/territories in the ADL 100 Global Index are:

    West Bank and Gaza – 93 percent of the adult population holds anti-Semitic views
    Iraq – 92 percent
    Yemen – 88 percent
    Algeria – 87 percent
    Libya – 87 percent
    Tunisia – 86 percent
    Kuwait – 82 percent
    Bahrain – 81 percent
    Jordan – 81 percent

  154. @Iris

    Thanks for your perspective! I have read some of M. Guanot’s work with interest.

    While it is quite plausible that the Zionist entity and the CIA regime have congruent criminal interests, this is not what Guyanot theorizes. He imagines a CIA that sets up all the preconditions for a coup, without actually meaning to go through with it, and a foreign devil that unexpectedly takes it all and runs with it. That’s idiotic. It also happens to be CIA’s boilerplate excuse for all their grave crimes. There’s nothing new up there. What’s worse, it’s plagiarized from Langley fops and jarheads. It’s not just stupid, but stupid in a telltale way.

    An engineer is highly trained, not highly educated. That might be why he applies bog standard old-fashioned Orientalism, which originally applied to Jews, then didn’t, and now does again – and voila, we’ve got a suspect that isn’t CIA! Guyanot’s Orientalism is interesting because it highlights the Israeli state’s exploitation of biblical myth as pretext for genocidal ideology. But he’s over his head when trying to re-interpret the documented conduct of the US command structure. Perhaps that’s how he falls into the CIA’s propaganda line. Let’s hope so.

  155. @James N. Kennett

    Nowadays we accept that Israel, India and Pakistan have nuclear weapons.

    Who is we? You may think its cool for a rouge genocidal criminal apartheid racist state such as Israel to have weapons capable of wiping humanity out. But I don’t think you speak for many.
    I honestly don’t approve of the American zio-puppet government having these weapons, they haven’t exactly proven themselves to be trustworthy of such responsibility over the past few decades as far as I can tell.

    Talk about offensive comments.

    Israel’s Sephardic chief rabbi Yitzhak Yosef delivered a sermon to the faithful in which he argued that Jewish law (halacha) directs the State to expel all non-Jews [ie. Palestinians] from Israel. Of course, he adds some qualifiers: if they accept the Noahide Laws, they may remain (because they will be useful as servants to Jews). But otherwise, they may be driven from the land. Goyim may not live in the land of Israel.
    He also says:
    There is justification for killing babies if it is clear that they will grow up to harm us, and in such a situation they may be harmed deliberately, and not only during combat with adults.

    The previous chief rabbi, Ovadia Yosef (Yitzhak Yosef’s father), ruled that Palestinians were donkeys meant to serve Israeli Jews.

    You may accept monsters such as these having nukes, I certainly don’t. See The Samson Option also… Kennedy was ahead of his time

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  156. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Robjil

    You seem to be the one who relies on the MSM for information, not me.

    So who killed him, his wife and her sister? What was the motivation? Only person with a motive I can see is Hildabeast because there was thought JFK jr would run for Senator and then president

    Too bad about the early deaths of the Kennedys. But they were no great loss, especially the anti White pro black and Hispanic RFK. JFK jr would have just been the typical anti White Democrat politician.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  157. You might have mentioned another crooked jew who was instrumental in LBJ’s ascension to power, Abe Fortas, later appointed (by LBJ) an associate justice to the Supreme Court. Fortas pulled Lyndon’s chestnuts out of the fire after the infamous Ballot Box 13 whose register’s last 200 entries where written in the same handwriting AND WERE IN ALPHABETICAL ORDER. This was in the 1948 Dem. Senate primary in which “Landslide Lyndon” won by 87 votes. Fortas was able to stall LBJ’s opponent’s challenges until it was too late.

  158. Erebus says:
    @bj

    The JFK assassination and 9/11 featured Jews documenting the event for celebration and narrative control.

    That’s an interesting point, but it looks like documentation is surplus to requirement. Despite several years of countless opportunities, no Jew with a camera managed to record any of the Auschwitz gassings. Nevertheless, narrative control over the Holocaust was not only unaffected, I’d argue that it was enhanced.

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
  159. @Anon

    Oh dear you are so often sensible. (Alden I think????). But being so assertive about something where you are completely wrong is bad news for your general credibility. I knew Rupert’s mother well as well as her nephews and nieces on her mother’s side so can say without a doubt that this link is accurate

    https://www.geni.com/people/Rupert-Greene/6000000006580516381

    Have a look at the further link to her mother Marie too.

    So far from her father Rupert Greene being a Rabbi just take a look at what is said about him in this obituary of Elisabeth Murdoch by former newspaper editor John Monks

    https://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/inquirer/dame-of-the-people-champion-of-elite/story-e6frg6z6-1226530873024?sv=c9593bbc9aec0b225a829a43c31b828f

    It’s a good read anyway. Rupert Murdoch obviously inherited his gambler’s genes from grandfather Rupert Greene – who had been made the Victoria Racing Club’s official (unpaid) starter partly to curb his gambling – rather than from his Presbyterian Moderator paternal grandfather.

    Really one has to wonder why some of Ron’s readable commenters completely blow it as though some screw got lose in the neural networks.

    • Replies: @Anon
  160. Mr. Anon says:
    @Iris

    Their eldest, Joe Kennedy, died for his country in secret WW2 mission.

    He was flying a B-24 loaded with explosives on a one-way mission. I believe the idea was that the crew would fly the plane to the vicinity of the target (in this case, german submarine pens on the French coast), then bail out and the plane would be remote-controlled by radio from a nearby boat. From what I had heard (my Dad read a book on the topic and told me about it), Joe Jr.’s radio-man had told him that the radio equipment was faulty and could cause a premature detonation; he recommended scrubbing the mission. Joe Jr. ignored his advice, flew the mission, and got them all killed. i.e., he was reckless.

    There is nothing cynical about such ultimate patriotic sacrifice; the pompous Zionist posting on this thread could not even start to comprehend the adjective “patriotic”.

    I thought the whole war was supposed to be a zionist plot, in which case, wasn’t anybody who volunteered for it a sucker?

  161. bjondo says:
    @Laurent Guyénot

    Lying, falsehood, intellectual pollution, time wasting are what these Israeli commenters are about.

    Many times one hasbaraRat will comment with one, two, three other ratbros replying in support.

    They earn many shekels.

  162. @Anon

    You are on track again! Any serious conspiracist like Robjil wouldn’t have too much trouble getting in touch with one of Carolyn and Lauren’s close relations and finding out that their views are remarkably objective and don’t include any suspicion of foul play – and they would know, as well as being able to report on the well informed views of people like RFK Jr (in case he won’t bother to answer silly conspiracists’ inquiries).

    Robjil should inform himself by looking at Air Crash Investigation aka Mayday which, inconveniently for conspiracists, is a Canadian production [sorry, am I being naive? Does that show just how far the PTB go to cover their tracks - with all those old diversionary tricks to get you thinking of Mexican pilots with false credentials and Brazilians listening to the football match - LOL]. I forget the precise detail but recall that either Carolyn or Lauren turned up an hour late for the flight and, by the time the disaster occurred – after sunset – visibility was such that the obvious cause was spatial disorientation that could easily lead to a stall and plunge into the ocean.

    The hermits who believe the conspiracy theories Ron allows to be peddled on UR seem to be innocent of knowledge of human nature which would alert them to the malign or merely bizarre motives – rarely far from financial self interest – of those who publish conspiracy theories catering to pathetic outsiders – plus maybe a few who share the brain damage which undid the likes of the brilliant Howard Hughes. Here’s hoping that Robjil looks at Mayday as an aid to getting him on the path to sanity.

    • Replies: @Robjil
  163. @Robjil

    See my reply to Anon [257]who put you right despite her (?) occasional eccentricities. I think it is #63 at the moment.

  164. Anonymous[436] • Disclaimer says:
    @David In TN

    Thanks. Interesting information that makes it far more valuable than some of the approximately relevant argumentative stuff on the conspiracies.

  165. @Anon

    From p.137 of DiEugenio’s latest book:

    …Tom Robinson of Gawler’s Funeral Home, who helped pick up Kennedy’s body from the autopsy room, says he saw a hole in Kennedy’s right temple.

  166. @Beefcake the Mighty

    Thanks for admitting your stupidity and confirming the truth of my argument.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    , @Anon
  167. @Wally

    No stupid. Oswald fired it. The reason Bobby Baker’s girl didn’t come out before JFK’s death was the “Deep State” cooperated in covering it up.

    JFK and the “Deep State” were on the same side.

  168. @Anon

    He most definitely was. Never apprehended, never hurt, injured or killed.

    Many in the fields of intelligence and politics believed the same.

  169. @Anon

    Does your post have anything to do with your disbelief in Darwin and evolution and the Bible history that goes back to God’s creation of the world 6,000 years ago?

    Does your post have anything to do with this thread whatsoever? Also, what in the blue blazes are you even talking about?

    I have no idea whose underwear you just crawled out of, you anonymous caitiff; but whoever that person is, he is fully justified in violently repudiating the very idea that something as loathsome as you could have come dripping out of his backside. Since you patently lack the intellectual breadth to understand anything about your inappositely introduced topic of Darwinism and only wrote this to be a moron, you deserve nothing but that invective which latterly the moderators, perhaps heeding the recommendations of those kind souls who have expressed concerns about my mental health, have judiciously declined to publish.

    To wit, I am not going to hold forth on you as I ought to. In honor of Ron Unz’s exemplary patience, and with due deference to those commenters who have taken the time to care about me, I will only ask you some innocuous rhetorical questions instead. What did you hope to gain by speaking to me in such a manner? Did you imagine that the Unz commentariat is secretly golf-clapping behind their keyboards and saying, “Yeah, you really stuck it to I.D. with that one”? Do you not realize that being so totally off-topic and personally vituperative makes you look like an idiot? Have you any idea that “Young Earth Creationism” is a Protestant novelty, a heresy, and is not part of the deposit of Christian faith and has never been held by Traditional Catholics like myself? Or that no less authorities than St. Augustine and St. Thomas both dismissed it? Do y’all even philoff, braugh?

    No, you have no idea what you’re talking about. You have no idea where I’m coming from or who I am. You have no idea what the salient features of this intellectual landscape are. You are not qualified to speak about this. You are a child who would do well to hush up and learn while the adults are having a conversation. Do you honestly think you could withstand me in a debate about Darwinism, or anything else for that matter? The result would be too gruesome to contemplate. And as I have no relish for such spectacles, I earnestly entreat you to just back off from this one now. If you don’t it would have been far preferable for you to take the invective, for that’s the best outcome you’re going to get.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @vinteuil
  170. @Monty Ahwazi

    Beefcake the Mighty is a totally suitable reader to absorb the whole of your totally bizarre output. If you are capable of learning anything to modify your insane thinking about Murdoch and Zionism have a look at my reply to Anon [257] I think @ #61.

    And please stop using such mystical nonsense to bend your language incomprehensibly. I wonder if even the thick Beefcake can stand the idea – when something that passes the criterion for thought passes through his head – that one can have sympathies without knowing about/acknowledging it or that the (in this case imaginary) transmission of sympathies can be by genes from a remote ancestor.

    Come to think of it please don’t offer to manage anyone’s money as someone as innumerate as you would be dangerous. NB if there is a 50 per cent chance that you get a critical (Zionist sympathy!) gene from a parent – and that overstates even the hypothetical in general – the chances going back 7 generations are 25 per cent, 12.5, 6.25, 3.125, 1.5725, 0.78625 per cent chance. As your mother might have said please don’t make an ass of yourself in public especially if it does others the discourtesy of wasting their time. But, of course, stupidity is usually hereditary and you may have got the full 100 per cent from a dominant maternal gene.

  171. @republic

    Get serious and see if you can see any problem with the Canadian Mayday aka Air Crash Investigation explanation about what happened. Kennedy hadn’t been flying and was recovering from an injury, one of his passengers turned up very late so he ended up flying in the dark (and eventually in cloud) and he wasn’t able to rely on instruments. Disorientation leading to stall and or spin.

  172. @David In TN

    A lost cause to get someone quite so stupid to understand how limited he is though he must surely have been confronted with the dispiriting truth at some stages of the attempts to provide him with an education. It makes you wonder if the efforts to achieve 98 – 100 per cent literacy are not misguided.

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  173. @Cloak And Dagger

    Because they were not suffering from Attention Deficit Disorder.

  174. tac says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Isn’t it just sooo convenient that you along with your host of sayanim obfuscating agents show up in droves attempting to derail the discussion of the COMMON DENOMINATOR in most of these cases: the Zionist Jew assasins!

    In similar fashion you and your Hasbara crew came out in the most recent 9/11 article featured on UR with your faux theories–in an attempt to direct the blame AWAY from Israel. Your methods are transparent by now for those who see them clearly and have lost any traction as a consequence, akin to the antisemitic and holohaux$$ card. It is simply a matter of time before the tables turn …. the worlwide blowback you terroists have created will be interesting to watch as it will galvanize much of the world against you in the end …. I would not want to be in your shoes at the present time.

    Falsehoods of any sort should be brought to light and expunged from the historical record

    ….except when they originate from the terrorist state of Israel??!! What a hypocrite you are…

    • Replies: @Anon
  175. Biff says:
    @Laurent Guyénot

    I might be mistaken but I heard that the bullet to the head of Robert Kennedy was a 38 caliber(.357), and I’m almost positive the gun that the assassin used was 22 caliber.

  176. tac says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Why is it that when one reads your impetuously framed arguments, one comes to the almost universal consensus in which you are revealed as a sayanim agent? No matter whay you or your enclave of cohorts espouse it stands in stark contrast to the evidence at hand.

    Your BS strawmen arguments are an execrcise in futility…iow: most intelligent people recognize you and your poorly disguised Hasbara propaganda efforts as a clear fraud against plain common sense.

    IOW: your days are numbered …. and you should conern your efforts as to the best possible places to hide against what is coming for you …. hint: there will be NO place to hide! Keep at it thought, you’ve managed to solidify world public opinion against you …. we’ll see how that works out for you in the end.

  177. anon[101] • Disclaimer says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    From one with no barrow to push……

    the more you say that the less i believe you

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  178. ians says:
    @Sean

    Wrong on almost every count, yet again. Oswald was ONI and part of a fake defector scheme that sent several such agents in Russia in that period. Walker was not shot; he was shot at. Two men were observed at the scene, who departed in a car. Marina changed her story numerous times, was then coached and threatened with deportation if she didn’t comply with the official story.
    Oswald worked with Bannister, a notoriously right-wing anti-Communist. Oswald was a poor shot in the Marines.

  179. ians says:
    @Sean

    You’re certainly determined to prove your ignorance here. Oswald was not seen at a range practising. He was not in that area at the time. The rifle booked into evidence is of a different length to the one he supposedly ordered. Olympic riflemen were unable to replicate the shots supposedly fired. All the doctors at Parkland testified to the fatal shot having come from the front.

    • Replies: @Sean
  180. ians says:
    @Anon

    Couldn’t be more wrong. Read the goddam autopsy report.

  181. ians says:
    @Anon

    Been there. Easiest shot from Depository is directly at limo as it slowly approaches, not as it speeds away. Easiest shot at Dealey Plaza is from the knoll, where fatal shot that blew out the back of his head was fired.

  182. @Bardon Kaldian

    Again, I think you are missing two points:
    1. We are not talking here about Jews influential in US politics , but of a network of Irgun sayanim, Mickey Cohen type, directly under the Israeli State (and Ben Gurion in particular, who happened to go underground in nov 1963).
    2. For Ben Gurion and his paranoid gang, going nuclear was a matter of life and death. It was non negociable. Whoever stood in the way had to be eliminated. Period. For Kennedy, having one more nuclear power was out of the question, and inspecting Dimona was non negotiable. Period.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  183. JFK had many enemies, CIA, FBI, USA maffia, JFK did not give them back Cuba, Johnson.
    His murder, who pulled the triggers, Lee Harvey Oswald certainly was not the only one who fired, is not important.
    Important is who organised the killing.
    A book that throws an interesting light on the murder is:
    Avner Cohen,’Israel and the Bomb’, New York 1998
    The author tries to prevent the reader from seeing that JFK was killed two weeks after he had threatened Israel not so supply them with weapons any more unless they stopped developing the atmomic bomb.
    A weird book, the Warren report, when I read it I had the vague feeling of to good to be true, the same feeling I had when I, long ago, when I read Churchill’s WWII memoirs.
    Harold Weisberg, ‘Whitewash – the report on the Warren Report’, 1965, 1966, New York makes mincemeat of the Warren fairy tale.

  184. @Erebus

    Interesting remark, Wiesel describes how weapons were smuggled into Auschwitz camps.

  185. @Art

    ” This opens the floodgates to “the Jews did 9/11.” ”

    PNAC of AEI did ask for ‘ a new Pearl Harbour’.
    However, as far as I know Cheney is not a jew.
    He accidentally was at NORAD to lead an excercise op Sept 11.

  186. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Actually, I got that information about Murdoch being the grandson of a Rabbi from a link posted by some internet commenter. Looks like it’s more lunatic internet “ research”.

    How could you know Murdoch’s Mother? He’s like 85.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  187. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    From my great medical knowledge I realized after reading your post that you have diabetes. Only an uncontrolled diabetic would post such a thing due to out of control blood sugar levels

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
  188. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Iris

    402,000 American soldiers were killed in WW2.

  189. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    No. I’ve been there. It isn’t. It’s the worst place for such a thing. Unless you’re welcome.

  190. Xaisle says:

    Ah the 60s such a great time of peace and love. I was a child then and we got seven channels on are black and white television set but I remember some of this in real time if you will.
    I think it comes down to this, pick your story. Pick your story that sounds right to you because we will Never be sure of the truth.
    Most everyone who would know for sure is dead and there’s so many story’s out there that sound possable (beside the lone gunman) that we’re never going to be sure what’s really true. To me, this sounds likely. This is how 9/11 going to turn out if some real unbiased investigation into it isn’t done in the very near future .

  191. Thank you all for your comments, both supportive and critical, which give me much food for thought and further research. I do not claim to have connected all the dots. What I have attempted to do is to present the case against Israel in the shortest and clearest way. By Israel, I do not mean the State; I mean here an international network of Machiavelic and powerful sayanim closely connected to the Zionist state (Ben Gurion then, Netanyahu today) and deep state.

    I am aware that I have missed some points, and admit that some details are perhaps not as clear-cut as I have put them. I am not sure, for example, about JFK Jr. (and only mentioned it as additional suspicion). There are lots of questions still unanswered. About the CIA, for example. I repeat that I do not believe they had nothing to do with it. To be sure, Dulles was, at the least, part of the cover-up, and the notion that he still had men loyal to him within the Agency makes sense. I first felt drawn into the JFK story through James Douglass’s great book “JFK and the Unspeakable”, but, the more I researched, the more I felt the CIA trail quite thin and strangely overplayed by the Zion Power Complex. I communicated with Douglass and felt frustrated with his absolute unwillingness to even get into the case against LBJ. Douglass does a great job in proving that Kennedy’s main ambition was to end the Cold War and to denuclearize the world, but then, unbelievable, he doesn’t even mention Dimona. There is somethin highly suspicious about this particular JFK school

    I didn’t mention Mark Lane, for example, Lewin by his real name, but he could be added to the list of Jewish “truth seekers” who, just like on 9/11, are rather “half-truthers”: I mean those who insist on the “Inside Job” theory and never, ever, consider the “Mossad Job” theory. Blame is on the CIA works well for everything: everybody will agree and feel intelligent at low cost. Say “The CIA controls the press”, for example, even using the fake William Colby quote (“the CIA owns everyone of any significance in the major media”), and everybody will feel relieved not to have to ask again: Who owns the major media? Again, saying that doesn’t mean the CIA was blameless. In fact, the way to set up such a conspiracy is to involve as many people as possible, in order to make sure that they have an interest in keeping the lid securely fastened afterwards. As I said in an earlier comment (and in my books), I find the scenario proposed by Gary Wean (and endorsed by Piper) quite plausible : a network within the CIA (not “the CIA”, which, I remind you, was then headed by John McCone, a Kennedy man), the network deeply involved with the Cuban exiles, may have been led (by who) to set up a faked failed assassination attempt, which may have been hijacked into a real assassination by the Zionist network. I didn’t mention it here because it is just an unprovable hypothesis.

    I do not even claim to be an expert on JFK, but I have gone through many stages before coming to the conclusions I have outlined here: I fist fell for the the “CIA-Pentagon-Military Complex” thesis, then I realized that Johnson was certainly the key man and started wondering why he is left out by this school of thought (Douglass). At the same time I started wondering why these same researchers seem to care so little about Jack Ruby as to not even bother giving his full name. The mafia? Which mafia? Finally, through years of research on other contemporary “deep history”, I came to find a pattern in Israel’s tremendous capacity to engineer history. “Psychological profiling” is important in any criminal case, and I believe that Israel (in the extended sense I gave above) has the profile. Jewish hatred for anything Catholic adds to the profile, not to mention the Kennedys’ well attested Judeophobia (“The Jews have won the war”, Joe Kennedy said after resigning, and Jack himself had praised Robert Taft for his courage to denounce the Nuremberg trials) and their war waged on the Jewish Lobby by RFK’s team. On the other hand, I came to doubt that Pentagon generals, whom Douglass incriminate, would plot to assassinate their own president: question of psychological profile, again. They may have wished him dead, and rejoiced over his death, but that is totally different.

    My gratitude to Ron Unz for posting my article.

  192. Robjil says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Canada is a vassal state of the US deep state. So why would a Canadian Mayday company not do the bidding of the US deep state? Perhaps, a nation independent of the US deep state or one not afraid of it ( if there is any on this planet) investigating the crash would have had a different opinion. Netherlands is doing the same nonsense for the US deep state with the MH-17 crash. Here is another independent examination of the details of the crash.

    http://nstarzone.com/JFKJR.html

    [MORE]

    According to government whistleblower Sherman Skolnick, JFK Jr. planned to reveal a well-kept secret that on or about August 1, 1999, he was to announce he was running for president, as a traditional Democrat or in view of the distrust of both parties, to run as a independent on a third party ticket. John F. Kennedy, Jr., made one grave mistake. He trusted the presidential campaign officials of Albert Gore, Jr. to know about his plans. That would have interfered with the plans of Gore as well as George W. Bush, the Texas Governor. The Gore campaign reportedly promised total secrecy, a pledge they never kept.
    He said he originally thought to run against Hillary Clinton for U.S. Senator from New York but decided instead to run for President. The secret got out. George W. Bush, likewise would most naturally have an interest in the demise of JFK Jr.. About three days before John’s plane took off and exploded in mid-air, Michael Harari, and another Mossad agent were seen with former President George H. W. Bush and his son, Texas Governor George W. Bush at the Essex County, New Jersey airport where John Jr. kept his plane. This fact was also confirmed by separate U.S. intelligence sources who are also willing to testify before a grand jury. All four were positively identified by an aircraft mechanic and a maintenance worker. A coincidence? JFK Jr. was a captivating speaker and unlike other members of his family was unscarred by scandal. He would have most likely swept the field of Presidential candidates. Conservatives and liberals, both could join together to support him.
    The FBI covered up the bombing of JFK Jr.’s plane. Skolnick obtained the details of the secret FBI report which was not to have been disclosed for 30 years. The National Transportation Safety Board, NTSB, released a report claiming the JFK Jr. plane crash was due to “pilot error”. Over the years, the federal crash investigators have covered up several sabotaged plane crashes, for example, FLIGHT 800, and FLIGHT 587. John F. Kennedy, Jr. was murdered before he could get to his planned announcement of a presidential run. If he lived and ran for President, he would have been 40 years old just after the 2000 election. Sherman Skolnick’s secret FBI report:
    Excerpts from FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION REPORT ON THE RECOVERY OF PIPER SARATOGA AIRCRAFT OF JOHN F. KENNEDY, Jr.
    1. No declassificatin until 7/22/2029.
    2. This is in deference to the wishes of a senior member of the Kennedy family.
    3. Also in deference to the order of the national government and in respect to certain foreign intelligence agencies having reciprocal agreements with the U.S.
    4. POTUS order and national security findings attached.
    5. The recovered aircraft shows evidence of an explosive device having been glued or affixed within the tail luggage compartment.
    6. Device was apparently actuated by a barometric trigger. Radio signals not ruled out.
    7. Tail of aircraft was dismembered from the plane making it front heavy.
    8. Study of radar shows the plane fell in excess of 6,000 feet per minute up to radar cutoff.
    9. Satellite images supplied by the National Reconnaissance Office record an outbursting flash from the aircraft just prior to it going into perpendicular descent.
    10. Tail structure was dismembered just prior to descent.
    11. Recovery of a piece of luggage from beyond the flight path of the aircraft correlates with it being hurtled out of the tail luggage compartment at outburst.
    12. Preliminary examination of the aircraft shows residue of an explosive device the Laboratory identifies as being the type used by certain foreign intelligence agencies. Refer to POTUS order and findings.
    13. Study of Air Traffic Control and other radio signals shows no Mayday report from the aircraft, explained by rapidity of descent.
    14. Investigation and examination has been strictly compartmentalized.
    15. A short, perfunctory examination of the recovered bodies was completed. Examination revealed that Carolyn Bessette Kennedy was in third trimester pregnant, the fetus a boy. The four bodies were transferred to a senior member of the Kennedy family. The Bureau was not informed whether the bodies were actually cremated. Indirect advisories report that the bodies may have been shipped in untagged containers to foreign destinations. Reliable assets are to submit reports.
    The conclusion? JFK Jr. was a qualified pilot, in control of his flight, flying a reasonably new aircraft, in excellent condition. Visibility was 8 miles. Wind: calm. All indication from forensics and physical evidence investigations lend themselves to a violent explosion from a bomb placed aboard the aircraft. The aircraft exploded in mid-air, as evidenced by the eyewitness accounts, and the widespread debris gathered from the ocean and several different beaches, and the nature of collateral damage to recovered aircraft parts, and items on board such as the headrest, foot pedals, steering yoke carpeting and so fourth. All showed signs of violent damage, having been “ripped” or blown from their normal positions/locations. This could only have been caused by an onboard explosion. Considering the nature of the current political atmosphere in America, and the before mentioned facts, there is little doubt that JFK Jr. was murdered. In all likelihood, it was a political assassination of the highest order, meant to alleviate a potential threat to the ruling elite.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  193. Only a Troll, or Trolls, would submit at a venue like this that Oswald assassinated JFK and acted alone. Ludicrous.

    If Oswald was the Lone Gunman, why did he not take the much easier shot from the Southwest window of the 6th floor of the TSBD where the motorcade would have been approaching him on Houston Street? It was the obvious ideal shot if you’re the Lone Gunman Assassin. It would have assured success. I don’t know, maybe Oswald likes a challenge, witnessed by his inability to hold down a REAL job.

    The fact of the matter is, Oswald was not on the 6th floor of the TSBD when the motorcade approached and passed. He was busy buying a soft drink in the lunch room on the second floor of the Texas School Book Depository building — just where fellow employees claim they had seen him just before the motorcade passed, and just where Dallas PD Officer Marion Baker testified he found him no more than 90 seconds after the assassination.

    Oswald did not possess the three elements necessary for any murder conviction — Means, Motive & Opportunity, therefore, he is exonerated and the real shooters are still at large and always will be if they’re not dead already and most likely are and those who conspired this ceremonial takedown will never be brought to Justice and have engaged in so many heinous acts since, they’re too numerous to list.

    The Oswald Timeline Myth

    [MORE]

    Lee Harvey Oswald possessed roughly less than thirty hours of incremental time to conceive, plan, and undertake the assassination of President Kennedy if he was a lone assassin. Officials prior claimed Oswald had plenty of time to form a demonstrable motive. It requires sufficient time for intent to become a verifiable criminal motive. Once established, the motive can lead to premeditation and be inferred from substantial evidence. Yet Oswald’s motive is never made clear and officials using more pliable civil legal standards presumed to judge without proving this critical factor.

    Oswald must also successfully commit the assassination without encountering a significant problem or making a serious mistake. Beyond the unclear motivation, during this short period, Oswald must at least form a rudimentary plan, prepare a weapon, and undertake some practice. Similar to a clear motive, Oswald additionally has no proven firing practice with the Carcano ever recorded or witnessed. The President’s Commission dismissed all statements claiming to have witnessed Oswald practice firing the weapon. Marina Oswald made the only statement that alleges an occasion of Oswald dry firing the bolt briefly in New Orleans to the Commission. However, in her original statement to the Federal Bureau of Investigation it states “Marina did not see Oswald take the rifle with him from the house in New Orleans or bring it back with him to the house on any occasion. She never saw him clean it, nor did he ever hold it in her presence as best as she can recall. She cannot recall that he ever practiced firing the rifle in New Orleans or in Dallas. She does not think he did practice in New Orleans because as a rule he stayed home when he was not working. When he did go out she did not see him take the rifle.”xii Thus in either instance, he never consistently practiced actually firing the weapon that officials’ claim he used the day of President Kennedy’s assassination. Practice would logically be the minimum requirement for success in this situation, yet Oswald has none.

    While he did prior have training and practice in the Marines nearly eight years before, as with any skill requiring practice, it degraded without it. In 1956, he was a Sharpshooter; by 1959, he degraded to a Marksman. He possessed no rifle in Russia due to Russian law, nor until he allegedly purchased the Carcano in early 1963. Oswald never verifiably fired the weapon that official evidence supports before the allegations of November 22, 1963. Even the Commission’s lead firearms expert Robert Frazier told officials they could have replicated the assassination results more than once if they had more time to familiarize themselves with the Carcano. However, that would require time and consistent practice Oswald also does not possess.

    The Carcano presented various other problems, some Carcano’s from the same augmented stock were defective and exploded killing their users, while other related weapons are properly altered and resold without incident. Oswald’s rifle had a makeshift pistol strap that would not properly stabilize the weapon, a rusted firing pin, and its misaligned scope likely required use of the iron sights. It could fire, but in the hands of the unpracticed Oswald, quick precision shots are highly unlikely. Yet another major issue was the weapon’s two-stage pull, a safety feature added by its Italian manufacturer that requires extra firing time to set a separate mechanism from the trigger alone. This requires critical extra time he does not possess during the official sequence of the assassination. The official suspect is unskilled at operating the Carcano’s safety feature to maximize his firing speed.

    He does not possess the practice or habits of a skilled gunman, recall that he accidentally shot himself prior with a firearm in the military, earning his first court martial. Oswald is a lone man with less than thirty hours to develop a motive, plot, and undertake every attributed action. All completed with no major mistakes, despite Oswald’s history of making mistakes. Consider if he is the lone gunman all the prior allusions regarding Oswald from New Orleans to Mexico City are no longer part of some long-range plan officials assumed Oswald had undertaken. Without this long series of opportunities to develop a demonstrable motive, the official timeline is insufficient.

    They seemingly did not perceive the timeline hole and the detriment it represents to their prior accusations. This is not to say Oswald is completely innocent or guilty, a dupe is still a part of the larger plan, but they remain unaware of the plot’s true endgame. The official circumstances of his greatly limited opportunity preclude any long term planning. Oswald’s personal life is not the picture of a future assassin some have asserted. Is it possible Oswald acted alone? Anything is possible, yet is it probable based on the primary evidence?

    No, it is highly improbable that for inexplicable reasons he chose to abandon real planning, repeated practice, and familiarizing himself with the weapon used as he prior did in the Marines. If killing the President was his goal, he likely would have mentioned him negatively to someone, he never did verifiably, not even in private conversations with his wife and mother. Oswald publicly commended Kennedy’s policies just over a month before the assassination. Since he could not know of the future Kennedy motorcade route as a lone gunman, this statement was likely genuine, not part of some prior devised plot.

    There is no substantial evidence that Lee Harvey Oswald frequently mentioned any strong feelings about President Kennedy. No witness testified before the President’s Commission regarding Oswald having any violent outbursts regarding Kennedy. His personal effects had no plans, notes, or any direct evidence of a violent plan against the President. Kennedy sought diplomacy with foreign powers and supported Civil Rights, so did Oswald. Officials chose a suspect without a demonstrated motive, unskilled at firing the alleged murder weapon, and unpracticed in using its safety feature. If we applied these deficiencies to a regular murder case, it feasibly would unravel.

    Yet this is the Kennedy case, a case with repeated official suppression of evidence, rampant local and federal incompetence, and blatant obstructions of justice. The various illegal or unconstitutional programs that were peripheral to the Kennedy investigation can explain many official covering actions. Yet not all of them can be so easily set aside. Among the notable secrets were the CIA’s 1954 study of assassination techniques, the Castro assassination plots, its ZRRIFLE program, and hiring foreign assassins to potentially murder foreign heads of state. Some of these instructional Agency documents resemble the events of November 22, 1963.

    Yet that does not mean any large group or entire official department would conspire, nor it likely that a large group might successfully conceal their involvement. Some official documents state the group should be a minimum of participants. I would contend a small-compartmentalized group of at least two people would be required to undertake the assassination. The probable assassins would have needed practice, a demonstrable motive, and a reasonable amount of time to construct and execute the plot.

    Not just rogue or former members of the CIA or FBI had access to the various assassination plots; the Agency utilized and trained domestic mercenaries, Mafia criminals, and foreign exiles in various deadly practices. Prior military and political failures resulted in dozens of disenfranchised and violent groups and hundreds of trained mercenaries and exiles. Rabid anti-Communist elements filled military and political roles of leadership. To combat the existential Communist threat some would sacrifice any principal.

    Substantial primary evidence supports the feasible involvement of at least one other person, by direct or indirect means to manipulate Lee Harvey Oswald. Both the CIA and FBI monitor him before, during, and after his time in the Soviet Union. Oswald never attends a Communist party meeting during his years in Russia or later in the United States. In America, he interacts with both anti and pro-Castro groups. His version of Marxism is antiquated and he never attends the legitimate meetings of multiple groups he claims to represent. Central Intelligence Agency officer Thomas Casasin states he considered Oswald for informant use after his return from Russia. Without assistance or incentive, how could Oswald develop a motive so quickly? He never had a personal interaction with President Kennedy; he only expressed positive statements regarding the President, despite his seeming commitment to antiquated Marxism. Without outside influence, no existing official explanation reasonably explains all his alleged actions.

    Oswald has chosen means that impair him as well. He is unpracticed; this greatly reduced his chances of success. Since leaving the Marines with a degrading level of accuracy, Oswald has not dedicated large amounts of time to firing practice. Add the two-stage trigger, the various makeshift portions of the weapon, and his minute amount of time for weapon reassembly without tools just before allegedly firing. He lacks dependable means to commit the crime as alleged. Nearly everything must fall his way, and in a Universe that favors disorder, this idea seems quite unlikely.

    As for opportunity, again significant evidence challenges the official findings. Varying witnesses in various locations spot Oswald before the shooting commences. No consistent witness puts Oswald in the sniper’s nest. The most touted official witness that claimed to see Oswald, Howard Brennan, reversed his testimony multiple times. Hundreds of unidentified people were present in the area, had access to the building, and some remained in the building during the shots as Oswald did according to his early press statements.

    Oswald never receives legal counsel among the most basic rights of due process under the American Constitution. Following his arrest, J. Edgar Hoover privately states officials violated Oswald’s civil rights to author William Manchester. He confides that FBI warnings to the Dallas Police of repeated threats against Oswald’s life by a group of people went ignored. Oswald’s untimely demise prevents his enjoyment of the presumption of legal innocence. He is publicly accused and unable legally to respond. Legal criminal standards descend to civil standards; later official investigation revealed that incompetence and suppression abound. The Commission avoided these vast problems and they still haunt its inquiry today.

    • Replies: @Anon
  194. @Mr. Anon

    I do not consider the Kennedys blameless and purely heroic. Nobody is entirely and inherently black or white. Whiteness and blackness are relative to the dialectical historical context (no Marxism here, just Hegelianism). The Kennedy story has some mythic significance, it is History with a very big H. They have some Christ-like dimension, if the real “imitation of Christ” is to be murdered on the order of Israel (Jesus didn’t crucify himself, did he?). Anybody with a sense of History can see that the Kennedys represented, at this point in history, the Good side. That’s all. Yes, they had an intense thirst for power. But then, only people with a deep thirst for power deserve to rule. Those with a deep thirst for obedience deserve to obey. Unlike their ennemies, the Kennedys wanted to govern in the light, not in the shadow. So I strongly disapprove of cynically denigrating the Kennedys on the ground that they had their dark side. Of course they had. But they found themselves with a destiny which could have changed history for the better, and they fully endorsed their destiny. Both JFK and RFK knew and accepted the fate that went with it.

    • Replies: @Mike P
    , @Mr. Anon
    , @geokat62
  195. @Wizard of Oz

    The only thing I’ve been confronted with here is your unique blend of appalling stupidity and unlimited tediousness.

  196. ANON[171] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    Another coherent sensible voice. Bravo. That fits though I’m happy to entertain his having some getaway arrangement with Cubans who arguably let him down or just played him for a sucker.

  197. Anon[171] • Disclaimer says:
    @tac

    You’re just a fool if you think that commenter, for all that he has some very odd views, not least about Darwinian evolution, is in way characterizable as hasbara. Why not switch your brain on and, next time you feel moved to resort to cheap smears and jeers, do a bit of homework on what someone writes.

    • Replies: @tac
  198. Giuseppe says:
    @Laurent Guyénot

    I do not claim to have connected all the dots. What I have attempted to do is to present the case against Israel in the shortest and clearest way.

    You have certainly connected the dots between the two Kennedy assassinations in a compelling way and given me much food for thought. This is one of the most significant, and disturbing, articles I have ever read on Unz.

  199. Anon[171] • Disclaimer says:
    @David In TN

    Nah, he can’t admit his stupidity. He’s too stupid. He can and does demonstrate it though.

  200. @niteranger

    Is it not probable that Lyndon Johnson was genuinely sympathetic with the underdog based in part from his early life experience. His helping Jewish refugees would fit pretty well with the human sympathies a notable number of politicians are capable of. And if one were to do a bit of burrowing and find some rich Jewish donors to his election campaigns whom he appealed to by helping refugees then …. so what? He gets to feel good AND gets the money.

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  201. Anonymous[171] • Disclaimer says:
    @Al Moenee

    C’mon. Five years before his assassination he offends the future AIPAC. And you cite not a single inquiry by representatives of the Israel lobby about his current views in later years or whether he will make any policy commitments on the subject. And you maybe dumb enough not to ask what approaches might have been made in 1967-68 or whether indeed there were any deals attempted or done but perhaps you’ll believe, once the obvious is pointed out, that those clever Jews are going to consider many possibilities before they get round to killing a presidential candidate in the nation that is indispensable to them.

    • Replies: @Al Monee
  202. Anon[436] • Disclaimer says:
    @Cold N. Holefield

    One of your problems seems to be unfamiliarity with firearms. From my experience as a run of the mill member of rifle teams in youth I would be upset if I couldn’t even today pick up a properly centered rifle and kill someone in a moving car 60 metres away with high reliability.

    • Replies: @Ians
  203. @Robjil

    You saved me a lot of reading by opening with that classical dopey conspiracy nut’s rhetorical question *based on absolutely nothing*. Canada a “vassal state” of the “US deep state”. What vacuous crap, without a scrap of evidence or elucidation of its meaning and implications – and all wrapped in hypothetical rhetoric. (Why not say it and prove it? Because you can’t: it is all without substance).

  204. @Wizard of Oz

    “ His helping Jewish refugees would fit pretty well with the human sympathies a notable number of politicians are capable of. ”

    If there is any one statement that crystallizes the galactic levels of bullshit that you spew, this is it.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  205. gdpbull says:

    Hogwash like this article is what gives conspiracy theories a bad name.

  206. Mr. Anon says:
    @Laurent Guyénot

    Yes, they had an intense thirst for power. But then, only people with a deep thirst for power deserve to rule. Those with a deep thirst for obedience deserve to obey.

    That’s a very nice apology for tyranny. And an inversion of the principals upon which the nation the Kennedys governered was founded (to the extent it was founded on principals).

    So, by your rationale, doesn’t Israel deserve to rule? If they do what it takes to stay on top, shouldn’t they be on top?

    • Replies: @Laurent Guyénot
  207. @tac

    The word Hasbara always reminds me of the name of the fictional Bajoran dish from Star Trek: Deep Space Nine—hasperat. That’s about the extent to which I care about the whole subject. You belong in a straitjacket if you think that I’m part of some sort of coordinated effort to disturb your precious bodily fluids. The State of Israel does not even know that I exist, and neither would I serve that wretched pseudo-country in word or deed.

    Your paranoid fantasies in which I figure are really remarkable. I look forward to the day you come to deliver my comeuppance. Shall I pass along my name and address to make it easier for you?

    • Replies: @tac
  208. @Anon

    Well, that’s a new one, I must say. I’ve been called a Hasbara troll, a random nut, a sexual failure, and any number of inglorious epithets on here, but never a diabetic before. Unfortunately, this one is just as inaccurate as all the others. There is nothing wrong with my blood sugar level; and pace Buzz Mohawk, I don’t need a GPS app to find the Islets of Langerhans.

  209. republic says:
    @Robjil

    The footnote (56) by the author regarding this plane crash does not appear to be working
    Barry Chamish, “The Murder of JFK Jr – Ten Years Later see:

    http://www.rense.com/general87/tenyrs.htm

    many strange anomalies to this story

    two angles to this story, JFK,jr was investigating the Rubin assassination, and of course the Clinton Senate race

    could have been a fake radio beacon like the one in Croatia which cause the Ron Brown plane crash,
    also a bomb could have been placed abroad, like in the Wellstone crash.

    some witnesses reported seeing a small boat near the landing strip that night acting in a suspicion manner

    early witnesses reported a bomb like flash in the area, but like TWA 801 reports were suppressed.

    bodies were cremated to avoid any evidence of any explosion.

    UPI reported at the time that the area had good visibility, this report is not surprisingly not available today!

    It is a very serious problem today that history is being deleted and only the official version is allowed to be seen

    • Replies: @Robjil
    , @Anon
  210. geokat62 says:
    @Laurent Guyénot

    But then, only people with a deep thirst for power deserve to rule.

    “Those who lust for power are not fit to rule.”
    - Socrates

  211. @Laurent Guyénot

    I commend you on a significant article that is both well-researched and very well-written, despite your protestations about English not being your native tongue. To many of us who have been studying the past 55+ years of American history, there is no doubt about the Israeli hand in our affairs and the sabotage and corruption of all major aspect of our lives, but you have provided the subtle details that make the puzzle complete.

    Thank you.

  212. @Laurent Guyénot

    Author Laurent Guyenot reflected, wrote:
    “…, I came to doubt that Pentagon generals, whom Douglass incriminate, would plot to assassinate their own president: question of psychological profile, again.”

    Hi Laurent,

    Re; above, Yes, American citizens are naturally inclined to figure that the US president can trust the Joint Chiefs of Staff, “Pentagon generals.” Suppose such is the case today, in France.

    Maybe you’re aware, Laurent, about the fact that General George Patton came to find a fierce enemy within the post-WWII US military hierarchy? In addition, no doubt, you’re aware of how President Dwight D. Eisenhower warned (exultant-impressionable) America about the grave threat posed by the Military Industrial Complex.

    I advise you consider rethinking the nefarious actions which Pentagon generals are capable. (Note: President Richard Nixon learned the hard way; refer to Len Colodny’s book “Silent Coup”)

    In short, am convinced JFK’s Generals were on-board with the Israeli cry, “Give me his head!”

    A question.

    Did you ever read the excellent (forensic) work of David Lifton (“Best Evidence”) and that of Attorney Vincent Salandria?

    F.y.i., Vincent Salandria and David Lifton collegially cooperated very early during the JFK assassination’s aftermath investigation.

    In an attempt to become a trusty comrade in the context of your evolving JFK endeavor, I trust that my (wordy?) article, posted below, may be of some use.

    In the article, you will find the actual words of the honorable Vincent Salandria, as written to me. Mr. Salandria’s is convinced that the US “warfare state” got JFK’s head-on-a-platter.

    In his words, “(David Lifton) never told me what he thought about my focus on the assassination as a US military-intelligence assassination.” Regrettable the scientific inclined Mr. Lifton did not offer a reply.

    Refer below, thanks very much, and Long Live The Resistance (to bullshit), Laurent.

    https://www.uncommonthought.com/mtblog/archives/2016/11/27/jfk-and-me-cleaning-out-the-swamp-an-ax-to-grind-with-toxins-left-behind-in-permindex-basement.php

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  213. @tac

    You are clearly a couple tics short of a tic tac.

    But since Tic Tacs are KNOWN to be the preferred breath fresheners of the Mossad, I think it is YOU who are the double agent here. Don’t bother switching your name to Al(toid) or Men(tos) either. We are on to you, Semite!

    I shudder to think of all the helpless goyim who’s last sense of this world was the cool refreshing breath breaking upon the backs of their necks, right before the knife plunged, and the lights went out., forever.

    • Replies: @tac
  214. ians says:
    @Laurent Guyénot

    Thanks for the article. Can commenters point me in the right direction as regards worthwhile books on Angleton and Mossad. I’ve read Mangold’s biography and recently finished ‘The Devil’s Chessboard’ about Allen Dulles, in which Angleton features heavily, though mainly as the arch conspirator controlling Oswald and also regarding his belief that the CIA had been penetrated by a Russian mole.
    The Douglass book was excellent.

  215. vinteuil says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Since I’m out of the country, now, I don’t seem to be able to avail myself of the “agree” button.

    So: agree (mostly).

  216. @Them Guys

    Your comment is appreciated, Them Guys.

    I’ve been thinking about this issue of “the good jews“.
    Which makes it necessary to try to figure out the very foggy and fuzzy notion of “what does ‘jew‘ mean?

    While keeping in mind Gilad Atzmons excerpt, “When we criticise Jewish politics (Israel, Zionism, the Lobby etc’) …” , you can read my comment above at: http://www.unz.com/article/did-israel-kill-the-kennedies/#comment-2357245 , whether referred to as a religion, culture or politique, these people, affiliated with the Torah-Pharisees-Talmud global collective, whether of orthodox adherence, or just a more or less nominal affiliation, accept, by definition, the value proposition proposed by the collective, a a fundamental basis:
    1. separate and distinct from everybody else
    2. chosen and divinely favoured to dominate everybody else
    3. operating secretly, systemically discriminating against everybody else
    4. operating systemically negative-sum-gain gaming systems to gain advantage (even though the entire system suffers a negative overall outcome)
    The value proposition:
    a. entitlement to the best social and material prospects, including facilitated promotion to the best-paying positions, particularly those of authority for policy and decision-making capacities
    b. required to promote the interests of the collective ahead of all other considerations, as indoctrinated, i.e. universal support for Israel or at the very least no comment, or when specifically called upon by the collective to enact, fully supported by the collective, acts, decisions, policies, as directed to by the collective.

    I equate self-identification with the acceptance of the value proposition.
    Now, obviously there is a spectrum of adherence, no intelligent observer would contradict this.
    However, by self-identifying as “a jew“, one is accepting the value proposition and therefore inherently accepting systemic discrimination against all out-group peoples, and likely trained from an early age to selectively disable empathetic responses to out-group people to enable this systemic discrimination.

    If one is strictly opposed to discrimination, one is definitely NOT adherent.
    Otherwise, why would anyone identify with such a group?!

    Is it okay to systemically discriminate against all out-group people and systemically negative-sum-gain game the entire planetary system?

    I say “no”!
    The planet simply cannot sustain it now.

  217. @Mr. Anon

    OK, that was perhaps an unwise comment from my part. I take it back. What I meant is that people who wish to become leaders of their nations are not necessarily evil, as long as they want to lead by truth, not by deception. There are many examples, I think. I recognize it is hard to make a difference. One of the criterias, perhaps, is the willingness to sacrifice oneself rather than others. But that is beyond the subject.

  218. vinteuil says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Have you any idea that “Young Earth Creationism” is a Protestant novelty, a heresy, and is not part of the deposit of Christian faith and has never been held by Traditional Catholics like myself? Or that no less authorities than St. Augustine and St. Thomas both dismissed it? Do y’all even philoff, braugh?

    OK, so, as I thought, you’re criticizing “Darwinism” from a Traditional Catholic perspective.

    Is it possible that your main objection has something to do with the complete inability of evolutionary theorists to so much as explain their position without constant resort to teleological language?

  219. @vinteuil

    Is it possible that your main objection has something to do with the complete inability of evolutionary theorists to so much as explain their position without constant resort to teleological language?

    Every day, there’s at least one imbecilic comment on Unz that makes me laugh. That one produced gales of laughter. I’m still chuckling.

    What a dumbass. What fatuous stupidity. Ya know, dude, I’ve heard that if you click the heels of your ruby slippers together three times, all evolutionary theorists will instantly be sent to the fires of hell.

    But, ya gotta be quick.

    • Replies: @vinteuil
  220. Ians says:
    @Anon

    You’re claiming to be a better shot than the Olympians who were unable to replicate what the Warren Commission claimed Oswald had done? Yeah, right.

    • Replies: @Anon
  221. renfro says:
    @Dissident X

    like distribution of a fifth column in the system to effect the political change one desired.

    Excellent comment…..and the distribution of a fifth column in the system is the ‘deep state’……all the other “special interest” are quite open and on display.
    The Jewish/Israeli special interest/deep state is also visible to those who look …but is denied, protected by congress and tries to punish any one who points it out.

    If congress and the Jews/Israelis efforts to criminalize and fine private businesses for boycotting Israel ……a direct violation of constitutional rights…didnt wake people up …then nothing will.

    I predicted years ago that their next step would be to try to breech our constitution and now they have…..I wrongly thought people would rise up against this when it happened…..but too many people either asleep at the wheel or too stupid to understand its ramifications.

    • Replies: @Dissident X
  222. Uncle Sam says:

    John Kennedy was killed because he was trying to have Fidel Castro killed. In fact, Bobby Kennedy was in charge of the assassination program. As many as 8 different attempts were made on Castro’s life but he survived all of them due to a double agent who tipped him off. The very day that Kennedy was shot an attempt was to be made on Castro’s life.

    Two months before Kennedy’s assassination Castro gave a public warning that American leaders themselves would be targeted if the attempts on his life did not stop.

    There is an excellent documentary that deals with this matter. It is titled “A Rendezvous with Death: Why John F. Kennedy had to Die”. It is a German produced documentary although it is available online in English. Its producer is Wilfried Huismann.

    Before anyone dismisses this out of hand, view the documentary and then critique it.

    To my knowledge, this documentary has never been shown on American television.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @ians
  223. Al Monee says:
    @Anonymous

    Jewish lobbies and enablers for Israel in America always were a critical part of Isreal’s survival strategy from the pre-state days till this very day. Having an individual as president who ardently fought for them to register as foreign agents (which would neuter many of their influence gaining techniques) was (and still would be) considered by Israel as extremely critical to Israel’s prospects. This has nothing to do with post 67 expanded Israel and most of the issues discussed today. We are talking about a time when Ben-Gurion and Israeli leadership was most alarmed by Nasser’s rise (52) and constant threats to eliminate Israel. They correctly understood that Egypt, due to its overwhelming size, was the only army that presented an actual threat of rolling back the still small (and fearful) Jewish state’s hard (and ugly) fought independence. Hence the Lavon affair (54), Suez war (56) and most importantly, hence B-G utmost determination to achieve the bomb and to protect Israel (mainly) from Nasser. Ben-Gurion was absolutely convinced that w/o a bomb Israel may not survive and thus was resolutely determined (and we’re talking about a real strong minded guy here) to achieve it. But JFK, a Pacific theater WW2 vet, was an ardent anti-proliferationist and was just as adamant not to expand the nuclear club beyond the mid 1950′s members and steadfastly and actively stood in B-G’s way. Israel’s technical progress and JFK stance came to a head in 62-63. All B-G’s arguments and pleas to JFK to look the other way (“Mr President, Israel has a right to exist!”) were to no avail. These are the facts. They have long be available. Yet they prove nothing as to assassination(s) culpability and only testify as to the potential aspect of significant motive. That said, the basic analytical premise of this article is well founded: If one doesn’t except the (clearly problematic) Warren Commission’s conclusion, JFK’s killers -who ever they may be- could not allow the risk of exposure by a determined RFK with the tools and power of the US presidency.

    • Replies: @Iris
    , @Anonymous
  224. renfro says:
    @Gary

    The whole debate of whether Israel is the tail wagging the dog misses the point that the very creation of Israel was all about helping the Western colonial powers maintain neo-colonial power in the Middle East as their former colonies were being liberated post-WWII.

    Only Jewish Zionist and Israelis make that very stupid claim.
    The US had no use for colonies ….it did have a interest in keeping the ME ‘stable’ for oil needs.
    Israel disrupted that ‘off shore balancing’ which had been the US policy before Israel.
    Israel caused other ME states like Egypt to lean toward Russia.
    Saudi didnt embargo oil to the US in ‘ 73 because Israel was a US ‘colony’…..Saudi did it to punish the US for what Israel was doing for Israel and the US supplying Israel with weapons.
    And the US did that solely because the Jewish lobby in the US.

  225. renfro says:
    @Laurent Guyénot

    that the CIA had planned a faked failed assassination coup to force JFK into acting against Castro, but was double-crossed

    The CIA is an agency staffed by people……..so which people in the CIA had any interest in Cuba strong enough to risk killing a president….name them. Who in the CIA was so afraid of Castro or the tiny island of Cuba going communist….or so afraid of Russia in Cuba ….after Kennedy has already stood Russia down in the missile crisis …..that killing Kennedy was the only solution?

    Otherwise this ‘theory’ that ‘The CIA” as a whole agency conspired to kill Kennedy is ridiculous.
    Do you actually think a plan to murder a president could have been kept secret then or now with no one in that agency since then ever coming forward on their death bed or otherwise?

    Its bullshit.

  226. renfro says:
    @Anon

    Personally, I don’t give a rats ass about who killed the pro Hispanic pro black enemy of Whites, RFK.

    Well if you live in the US you should care…..the Jewish fifth column is much more dangerous to the US than blacks and Hispanics.
    People who let their dislike of certain race groups blind them to the core facts are like a guy who complains about a rash on his arm while ignoring the cancer causing the rash.

  227. MacNucc11 says:
    @Seamus Padraig

    I always found that song interesting. But I always heard it as “I shouted out who killed the Kennedys.” No question mark. He also says in the same song “I was there in St. Petersburg…I killed the Czar and his ministers, Anastasia screamed in vain. ” I guess that would mean at least Mick Jagger and the Stones know who also killed the Kennedys since the singer of the song is the same killer of the Kennedys as the killer of the Czar and his ministers and family.

  228. @ChuckOrloski

    To All interested, corresponding with my comment # 215, below is CBS Paul Kurtz article on his conversation with Vincent Salandria. The topic is the ZUS government’s ltd. “dump” of classified information on the JFK murder.

    http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2017/10/27/local-assassination-researcher-has-little-interest-in-jfk-documents/

    Thanks!

  229. @Colin Wright

    On the face of it, the probability would be about the same as it would be if they hadn’t been particularly close.

    Not so, I believe. What I find interesting is Nixon’s observations, or perhaps cryptic messages, on both assassinations. Nixon was no real “friend” of Israel either. Recall the tape of his conversation with Billy Graham. Mark Felt, a Hoover insider and Jewish, was passed over by Nixon for top dog at the FBI, which was complicit in the coverup of both assassinations. Felt became Deep Throat and kept the pot boiling on Watergate. Could Tricky Dicky have been suspicious about the official narratives of the assassinations? Was Watergate a diversionary tactic?
    Nixon became, like Trump is now, surrounded by Israel firsters. The never-ending side show became the presidency and the election platform disappeared.

  230. renfro says:
    @utu

    The only theory that can’t get any traction in MSM is the one linking Israel

    The Dog That Didn’t Bark.

    The Sherlock story is often used as an example of the importance of expanding the search for clues beyond the obvious and visible.

    It never barks on Israel.

  231. prusmc says: • Website
    @David In TN

    What an abject trio of losers: HHH see what Gonzo journalist Hunter S. THOMPSON says about him; clean Gene who only cheated, on his wife, and Bobby the Weasal. Even today with Bernie,Kamala, Rubio, and Jeb we have ònly approached the bottom of the barrel that encapsulated the life and times of LBJ’s American Tragedy.

  232. @renfro

    renfro, don’t give up hope!

    ‘Yes’ there is a massive ‘zombification program underway, and ‘yes’ everywhere we look we see this quantum mechanics-like distribution of agents, able to nudge agendas along the path they want, little by little, and dispersing a coherent locust of control, thus evading detection for the macro effects, but there is a turning point… very, very near!

    I believe there is pent up energy in this vast gulf of cognitive dissonance between the zombie juice force-feedings by the mainstream media, directly into the cognition of the masses via the devices. There is even, likely, sub-conscious modification taking place.

    But there is still a large schism, inside many people who, in contrast to us, are still clinging to traction with the mainstream media crack.

    Keep spreading the word, and, as I believe you know, The Controversy of Z… by Douglas Reed is a good place for anybody to start learning the truth about what has been going on.

    Please keep the faith; it will pay off.

    • Replies: @renfro
  233. Iris says:
    @Robjil

    Many thanks for this very interesting post.

    I remember with certainty that just before his passing , Mr Kennedy had required access to classified information relating to his father’s assassination. This fact has also conveniently disappeared from the media archives.

  234. Sean says:
    @ians

    The driver of JFK’s limo did not seem to have thought the shots were from the front because he stopped the car and turned around in his seat. Oswald was presented with stationary target, no fire from the secret service in response to a couple of misses, and a range of around a hundred yards; for a young man who qualified with a rifle to Marine active service standard, and had shown a disregard for societal norms and his own life (assaulting a marine NCO, shooting himself with an illegally held Derringer, renouncing his citizenship and attempting suicide in the Soviet Union then asking for Cuban residency ) killing the Cuba hating Kennedy was psychologically and politically intelligible. What made it ballistic-ally probable was the foolhardy Kennedy had insisted on leaving the perspex bubble canopy off the limo for the motorcade. It was good shooting in a fraught situation by Oswald, but he was not being shot at himself and he did not have to fire through the canopy, so you cannot give him credit for magic bullets, super human coolness or being a crackshot. He had a lot of luck in a leftie woman getting him the job in the book repository before the motorcade was even thought of. With a basic skill set to shoot another human being (what the Marines are taught to do) and the balls to try in a determined way, Oswald killing Kennedy was neither certain to fail or succeed. It can not be accounted a fluke, still less impossible.

    • Replies: @ians
  235. anarchyst says:
    @redmudhooch

    If a nuclear device is “lit off” in an American or European city, it will have Israel’s fingerprints all over it. Israel is desperate to keep the American money spigot running, as well as sabotaging the Palestinian “peace process” that the world wants it to take seriously.

    In fact, if a nuclear device is “lit off” anywhere in the world, it will have come from Israel’s secret nuclear “stockpile”.

    The “power outage” in Atlanta was a convenient excuse for Israel to perform a logistical “sleight of hand”, as an Israeli plane was allowed to land and take off during the “power outage” without receiving customs clearance or inspection. This is one of many Israeli companies that possesses a “special exemption” granted by the U S government that frees it from customs inspections. Just maybe another one of Israel’s nukes was just being pre-positioned or nuclear triggers (tritium) were being renewed, getting ready for “the big one”. As most Americans are tired of all of the foreign wars being fought for Israel’s benefit, another “incident” on American soil would be enough to galvanize the American public, once again, (just like WTC 9-11) to support another war for Israel’s benefit. Israel’s “samson option” is a real threat to “light one off” in a European or American city, if Israel’s interests are not taken seriously.

    Israel refuses to abide by IAEA guidelines concerning its nukes as they are already distributed around the world. Israel would not be able to produce all of them as most of them are not in Israel, proper. No delivery systems are needed as Israel’s nukes are already “in place”. Look for another “false flag” operation with the blame being put on Iran or Syria. You can bet that some Iranian or Syrian passports will be found in the rubble.

    Israel also threatens to detonate nuclear devices in several US cities. Talk about total INSANITY; the so-called “Samson Option” is it.

    As an aside, American “foreign aid” is prohibited from being given to any country that has not signed the “Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty” or refuses to abide by “International Atomic Energy Agency” (IAEA) guidelines regarding its nuclear devices. Guess what?? Israel does not abide by EITHER and still gets the majority of American “foreign aid”. This prohibition also applies to countries that do not register their “agents of a foreign government” with the U S State Department. Guess what?? Israel (again) with its “American Israel Political Action Committee” (AIPAC) still gets “foreign aid” in contravention of American law..

    There are forty or so congressmen, senators and thousands of high-level policy “wonks” infecting the U S government who hold “dual citizenship” with Israel. Such dual citizenship must be strictly prohibited. Those holding dual citizenship must be required to renounce said foreign citizenship. Refusal to do so should result in immediate deportation with loss of American citizenship. Present and former holders of dual citizenship should never be allowed to serve in any American governmental capacity.

    When Netanyahu addressed both houses of congress, it was sickening to see our politicians slobber all over themselves to PROVE that they were unconditional supporters of Israel…just who the hell do they work for? Certainly not for the interests of the American people and the United States…they should renounce their United States citizenship and be deported to Israel…

  236. I’m curious as to what this author thinks of the Mafia angle. It is well known that Joe Kennedy had ties to the Italian Mob going back to the Prohibition days. The theory goes that the Mafia committed voter fraud in Illinois, helping JFK carry the state. And then what does Kennedy do when elected? Unleashes his brother and the full weight of the Justice Department onto them. Obviously the brothers were fully aware of how much their family owed their standing to organized crime and were very resentful of it. Now, per their code the Mafia generally leaves honest cops and politicians alone. But if you accept a favor from them and then double-cross them, woe be unto you no matter who you are. So it is entirely in the realm of possibility that they would have gone after the brothers. But even buying into that, most theorists believe they couldn’t have done it alone. Most often the CIA is mentioned as their partner. But if anything, the Israeli angle would make more sense, give the close ties that Jewish mobsters had with Italian mafiosi (like Siegel & Lansky with Luciano).

    • Replies: @Laurent Guyénot
  237. Sean says:
    @j2

    Israel was never threatened with having its nuclear weapons taken away and Kennedy could never have been reelected in he even hinted at that.France threatened to ally with the Soviet Union if its Indochinese empire was not given back to it, and did not ask permission of the US to develop nuclear weapons. In fact it was Eisenhower and then JFK’s project of Giving Germany a say in Nato’s use of nuclear weapons that led to France developing its own H bomb and leaving Nato.

    It is really quite preposterous that America was suddenly presented with a shock horror discovery of an Israeli fait accompli nuclear weapon. It is hard to believe that the US did not know that Israel was trying to develop nuclear weapons long before it actually did so and if America did not facilitated it so that Israel would have a credible deterrent, there was no meaningful attemt to stop the Israeli nuke.

    The US could have just told them to desist and cut off their access to nuclear materials, there is no evidence that the US ever did, therefore the US was not too bothered for Israel to get nukes because Israel using Nukes to defend itself was more credible that the US doing so to defend Israel, in the same way that the UK and France having nukes was bad for US, Israel having nukes was OK for the US. so America just turned a blind eye . The US never tried to stop Israel’s nuke program at an early stage, but really did not want to admit to the rest of the world that they knew Israel had nukes, nuff said.

    • Replies: @j2
    , @jilles dykstra
  238. Iris says:
    @Al Monee

    This is a remarkable comment.
    You have connected many critical dots: thanks for sharing your insight.

  239. theMann says:

    The basic problem, at least with JFK’s assassination, is that he had so many enemies that any assassination theory is perfectly plausible.

    Oswald was a patsy though. The real killer is the one man in America at that time admired by all, respected by both political parties, capable of commanding the loyalties of Government and Press alike, with a legitimate motive for killing JFK which every one involved would agree upon, and more than capable of taking the shot from the grassy knoll…..and his whereabouts that day cannot be verified.

    Yes, Joe DiMaggio killed Kennedy.

  240. anon[204] • Disclaimer says:

    An excellent read. I had always thought the CIA assassinated JFK and a Palestinian killed RFK because of his overtures to Israel, guess I was the sucker. This article is eye opening and makes sense. LBJ was one of the worst presidents we ever had. The failure of his “Great Society” haunts us to this day.

    At the end of the day, all roads lead to Jews. All things run by Jews eventually get run to the ground — our media, academia, Wall Street, Hollywood, Silicon Valley, modern art, modern lit, modern music, the judiciary, and most of all, our politics. These people can’t help themselves. It’s in their DNA to destroy everything they touch. Are they God’s chosen or Satan’s?

    Curse the Romans for bringing these people to the West. Should’ve left them back in the shithole Mideast where they came from and let them tend to goats.

  241. anon[204] • Disclaimer says:

    Israel continues to blatantly steal our technology by sending their spies here as graduate students and working in our highly sensitive research projects. University presidents blatantly disregard the law that require no use of foreigners in highly sensitive research projects when it comes to Israel and India. Professors who complained get silenced and intimidated by university admin. Check out the case at Caltech:

    https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2014/11/17/whistleblower-suit-alleges-caltech-allowed-suspected-spy-work-jet-lab

    • Replies: @Anon
  242. headrick says:

    This fellow brought the Dimona thing to my attention first. Then I read Jackie thought Lyndon had some role in Jacks death too. Well we will never know the whole truth I guess.

    https://ironlight.wordpress.com/2010/05/05/kennedy-dimona-and-israels-deadly-secrets/

  243. Anon[436] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ians

    Spell it out. Where do you get your ridiculous fake news from?

    • Replies: @ians
  244. Anonymous[135] • Disclaimer says:
    @Uncle Sam

    Much too simple for the teams of conspiracy wankers that emerge on UR threads given half a chance. It is even credible.

    • Replies: @ians
  245. @Anon

    She was a very active person well into her late 90s including making a nice speech at her 100th birthday party – which I attended as I did her 90th, and 98th which friends gave for her to repay hospitality. She was a friend of older members of my family but the more recent connection was because my nearest and dearest was a gardening mate of “the Dame”. Her garden – now about 90 years old – was and remains famous. I knew her well enough to be able to ask her e.g. how many hours sleep in 24 she had averaged during her adult life. From some observations I might have guessed 4 but her immediate answer was five and a half. My question was prompted by my general h-bd interests, my belief that there would almost certainly be a Gaussian normal distribution of sleep requirements (contrary to the endless repetition of the mantra that people in our times don’t get enough sleep) and my speculation that the Rupert Murdoch who was reputed to make 2 am telephone calls from all over the world would have inherited short sleepers’ genes. (I haven’t so I like a proper excuse for not being a self made billionaire). As a matter of interest Rupert’s uncle or great uncle Professor Walter Murdoch was still broadcasting in his 90s.

    • Replies: @sarz
  246. @Beefcake the Mighty

    The sad thing about you and too many of the sads on UR threads is that you are in fact as well as psychologically outsiders who know nothing what say 15 plus years of close involvement with politics or politicians or many years of representing a great variety of legal clients would have taught anyone capable of learning. It is this deficiency which underlies the biggest failure of truthers and other conspiracy theorists, viz. that they don’t understand motive or the workings of sane possible conspirators’ minds. As I may point out in a general comment there is a truly huge presumption against Israel conspiring to murder the President of its one indispensable ally. Not only is it very unJewish to give up on not-yet-lost arguments or to assume there are no other ways round but the consequences of being sprung – not least if the plot failed to kill Kennedy – would have been horrendous. Does anyone think that Israelis assume or ever assumed total tight lipped loyalty amongst their own especially wrt unambiguous evil? Was Mordechai Vanunu to be the only conscientious Israeli? And what about all those outspoken Israeli human rights activists?

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  247. This in substance happens to have been prematurely published as a reply but contains explanatory points that I wish to convey to such unworldly people as the author.

    As a general proposition conspiracy theorists on UR threads and contributors like the present one are in fact as well as psychologically outsiders who know nothing what say 15 plus years of close involvement with politics or politicians or many years of representing a great variety of legal clients would have taught anyone capable of learning. It is this deficiency which underlies the biggest failure of truthers and other conspiracy theorists, viz. that they don’t understand motive or the workings of sane possible conspirators’ minds.

    There is a truly huge presumption against Israel conspiring to murder the President of its one indispensable ally. Not only is it very unJewish to give up on not-yet-lost arguments or to assume there are no other ways round but the consequences of being sprung – not least if the plot failed to kill Kennedy – would have been horrendous. Does anyone think that Israelis assume or ever assumed total tight lipped loyalty amongst their own, especially wrt unambiguous evil? Was Mordechai Vanunu to be the only conscientious Israeli? And what about all those outspoken Israeli human rights activists?

    Yes it is a view that also supports my contention that the big winner from 9/11 was the person with the obvious motive to get the hated America into a Vietnam like quagmire in Afghanistan. Stand up and take a bow Osama bin Laden: you didn’t give up after one pathetic little bite at the WTC but were encouraged by your East African successes to think big….

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
  248. Anon[436] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    All that emerges from your post and the link is that you suffer a bad case of confirmation bias. Have you actually read that linked article? If so you have a more fundamental problem.

  249. @anon

    Well do your homework and prove it. My interest in UR and its threads as in nearly everything where contentious issues are discussed is to follow the evidence where it leads, with additional pleasure to be obtained by cruel expressions of contempt for those who insist on inflicting dopey or careless comments without civility after showing themselves incapable of being helped or cured by politely offered comment.

  250. j2 says:
    @Sean

    Sean writes: “Israel was never threatened with having its nuclear weapons taken away and Kennedy could never have been reelected in he even hinted at that….It is really quite preposterous that America was suddenly presented with a shock horror discovery of an Israeli fait accompli nuclear weapon. It is hard to believe that the US did not know that Israel was trying to develop nuclear weapons long before it actually did so and if America did not facilitated it so that Israel would have a credible deterrent, there was no meaningful attemt to stop the Israeli nuke… The US never tried to stop Israel’s nuke program at an early stage, but really did not want to admit to the rest of the world that they knew Israel had nukes, nuff said.”

    Yet JFK tried it, but secretly, as he wanted to be reelected. Publicly he did not hint at it, but demanded inspections in Dimona. The US is not JFK. Many people in the US, like Dulles, LBJ and Angleton were in the opinion that Israel should have the bomb. JFK was not, so JFK was killed.

    It can be proven in many ways that Oswald was not the lone shooter and that there was a cover-up. Cuba, Russians, mafia and LBJ could not keep a cover-up. To do the cover-up you needed media and academics (the scientific panel that discarded HSCA findings that there was a conspiracy). It is the same power that can stop a President to be reelected that can control the public opinion for a cover-up. We do not need to know if the reason was the nuclear weapon (though it is the most natural reason) to draw this conclusion. JFK replaced Dulles as the head of the CIA when the CIA report of the Israel nuclear program came to his desk. America was not in shock as it was a secret report, but JFK acted before Israel had the bomb.

    First prove in an undeniable way that Oswald was not the only shooter. This you can do with the Dictabelt, Audiograph and Zapruder film. Then notice that there was a cover-up. To do that all you need is to notice that the Audiograph was modified to confuse detection of the shots from the Dictabelt. This was done at the time of the HSCA case, when the Dallas policeman who in Audiograph says “keep it all secure” was already dead. This implies that somebody had access to the Audiograph, excluding Cuba, Russia, mafia and Oswald. It leaves the scientific panel and for instance some people in the CIA. Then evaluate the extent of the cover-up: it has media cover-up. Then remind yourself of 9/11 and Holocaust, who could have such power?

    • Replies: @Sean
  251. tac says:
    @Anon

    What homework you hasbara agent do you refer to? I’ve done enough ‘homework’ to realize what entity is the centriprtsl force exerting its rather narrow agenda on the rest of the world …come back with a worthy argument that can elict a response, until then your fruitless attempts at countering my argument are sub-par.

  252. tac says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    You certainly live in a fantasy full of delusional’realities’ in which you seem to be in ‘control’ of …. What may surprise your delusions-of-grandeur is that functional thinking people all over the world have become ever more so united in opposition to to your false idealogy ….. Inspite of your most fervent efforts.

  253. tac says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    Thank you for your disinfo camapaign…now kindly crawl back to the hole you energed from….next time, can you possibly refute what i have stated or is that too much of a strech for your cynical efforts?

  254. ians says:
    @Uncle Sam

    Castro did it! Yawn. It’s the anti-Castro Cubans who absolutely loathed JFK for his supposed weakness in dealing with Castro. Why would Castro want JFK replaced by LBJ?

    • Replies: @MacNucc11
    , @Uncle Sam
  255. ians says:
    @Sean

    The limo driver did slow down and checked the condition of the President up until the fatal shot had been fired from the front and exited the back of JFk’s head, blowing out a massive defect in the rear of his head, causing the fatal injury that every Parkland doctor agreed upon.
    No one has been able to replicate Oswald’s supposed feat, even after they’d corrected the sights. That’s also without having to explain away the pristine bullet which caused multiple bone-shattering injuries, passing through clothing, skin and bone, yet emerging mysteriously clean.
    There was no residue on Oswald’s cheek which would have resulted from firing the POC rifle. The rifle held in evidence is a different length to the one supposedly ordered by Oswald from a magazine.
    It’s been established that JFK did not ask for the bubble to be removed. Your use of ‘foolhardy’ reveals your animosity to him and your eagerness to believe anything that denigrates him. He always left this to the discretion of the Secret Service.
    If Oswald, who was in or around the lunchroom at the time, had wanted to kill JFK, he would have had a clear, easy shot as the limo approached.
    Despite numerous attempts, not one Olympic status shooter has been able to replicate the supposed feat.

    • Replies: @manorchurch
    , @Sean
  256. Eagle Eye says:
    @Robjil

    Thanks for an interesting summary. Don’t give any mind to Gizzard of Ooze – at her age (ca. 105 – she knew Rupert Murdoch’s mother) a person’s has “seen it all,” and her conversation may become a tad one-sided and condescending.

    Fixed-wing aircraft do NOT simply drop out of the sky even if the power fails.

    Moreover, it is quite possible to keep a plane flying level in conditions of zero visibility, and even with some instruments (e.g. artificial horizon) out of action.

  257. ians says:
    @Anon

    If it’s ‘fake’, expose it as such. Otherwise, stop crying like a bitch every time your ravings are rebutted.
    Try reading some of the serious literature on the assassinations instead of merely repeating tired, disproven propaganda.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  258. @Sean

    Read
    Avner Cohen,’Israel and the Bomb’, New York 1998
    The book passed the Israeli censor

  259. ians says:
    @Anonymous

    As distinct from the ‘lone nut’ tossers who lack basic evidence to back up their groundless assertions?

    • Replies: @MacNucc11
  260. @vinteuil

    Is it possible that your main objection has something to do with the complete inability of evolutionary theorists to so much as explain their position without constant resort to teleological language?

    I think that’s a very profitable critical approach, and I have obliquely referred to similar ideas before. I think it would be especially appealing to those who are on the cusp of questioning Darwinism but are not yet comfortable abandoning the entire modern mindset (i.e. those who suddenly realize that Darwinism is problematic but who have not absorbed the full depth of Aristotelian metaphysics or accustomed themselves to the exacting processes of ontological reasoning). A Foucaultian deconstruction of the historical development of Darwinism would be very illuminating in and of itself. For instance, the original Linnaean system of classification was simply a means of conceptually grouping creatures according to their common characteristics, from the very general to the increasingly specific. The objective here was to tabulate and organize, but not to imply a network of ancestral relations. A definite and very profound perceptual shift occurred when the Linnaean taxonomy came to be seen as an actual tree of descent, and the ranked hierarchies gave way to the cladogram as the organizing principle.

    One could sincerely ask with what justification this perceptual shift was made. That it was not something implicit in the data itself can be demonstrated rather handily. It was an inner development within the culture-sphere of Western mankind, a leap into a new gestalt that made a powerful impression upon the men of those first materialist-marxist generations. The force of that impression still reverberates within us to this very day. We all have a little bit of the Darwinist inside us, consciously or not, willingly or not. The idea deserves to be ranked among the great artistic creations of the West. But our extreme skeptical and analytical bent will one day come to destroy it in a manner analogous to how impressionism culminated, fulfilled, and destroyed the high tradition of Western oil painting. In another 50 years it will be “the leading men of science” who are the chief enemies of Darwinism and not the generic Evangelicals, who by that time will have fully incorporated whatever remains of evolutionary theory into their jejune Hegelian theology. Darwinism will never be fully “refuted”—that is simply the wrong way to look at the subject—but like the thoughts of Rousseau, Voltaire, and Marx before it, it is destined to wind up its great course as a provincial attitude.

    In the preceding paragraphs I have crossed an important line, however. I have been speaking about culturally necessary developments and historically conditioned ways of seeing, which is all well and good; but this of course is to prescind from the topic of what actually happened within the field of Earth-history regarding the living creatures upon its surface and their development and descent, which is presumably the question under consideration. Does there exist a philosophical approach that can tell us anything about that? I doubt such answers are even really desired by any but the most contemplative souls, and the emergence of such answers upon the scene would not be an historically significant event attended with fame and accolades and Nobel prizes. They would take the form of obscure books and essays that would pass unnoticed, perhaps for centuries. That is, in part, what makes it so difficult to talk about. There is no zest in the pursuit, no tangible reward, except for those who have learned to cherish the pure, still contemplation of being. Nonetheless, this is the spirit in which the question must be asked an answered, so here I will attempt to articulate some of my chief objections to Darwinism considered not as a cultural viewpoint but as a purported statement of fact.

    1. Darwinism entails vitalist-monism. The entirety of evolutionary theory is reducible to one axiom, viz. the principle of common descent. The logical implication of this is that all the varied lifeforms that exist are but modifications of a single substance, life. However, “life” is not a substance; it is a quality applied as an adjective to forms united with matter, the thrust of which is to refer to the actuality of this union. Thus, when speaking casually about, for instance, the grass, it is not necessary to further qualify it as “the living grass,” for in the ordinary sense grass just is the form of grass actually united with matter. If, as St. Thomas proved, there can only be one form inhering in a substance, then eo ipso life can only be predicated of individual forms. A collection of forms is not “alive” any more than a collection of people is a person. Therefore, it is meaningless to speak of modifications of “life” that bring forth new forms. Were this to happen at all, it could only be by one individual form becoming another; but see #2.

    2. Among living forms, substantial change—the conversion of one form into another—does not occur . It is possible to convert the flesh of a cow into the flesh of a man, but it is not possible to convert a cow into a man. The intrinsic structure of causality prohibits these transitions by assaultus. There is no exterior or as it were physical process that can affect this sort of change. If it occurs at all, it does not do so within the field of phenomena. (1) and (2) taken together rule out both mutation and natural selection as possible mechanisms of Darwinian evolution.

    3. The reification of nucleic acids into “the blueprint of life” is not defensible. It is improper to fixate on one particular feature of the body as “the place where the information is stored,” and DNA is just as physical as the rest of the body. It is a similar sort of category mistake to the one mentioned above, to speak about the information of life rather than to speak simply about life. “Information,” in this context, is really nothing more than a ghostly sort of Neo-Platonic hocus-pocus. Neither DNA nor anything else can serve as the transmission mechanism of those equally fictitious memetic constructs we call “traits.”

    With no mutation, no natural selection, and no mechanism of inheritance, all three legs of the Darwinian stool are kicked out. I realize this is an extremely crude and incomplete beginning, but I must stop now for it is getting late.

    • Replies: @manorchurch
  261. @Wizard of Oz

    The problem was that Kennedy was of the opinion that preventing the spread of nuclear weapons was more important than Israel.

    The winners of Sept 11 were AIPAC and AEI.
    They got their wars, as Hollings stated in his 2004 speech.
    There was a website about the murders ascribed to Perez, but it seems to have disappeared.
    But one can read
    Victor Ostrovsky, ‘Mossad – the other side of deception’, 1994

    About risks, do not forget that jews control some 80 % of the world’s media.
    In my opinion anything went wrong with Sept 11, yet the general public believes the official story.

    It is the same here now with MH17.
    Who questions the official findings perpetrates high treason.
    For me personally, as long as there is no motive I’m not accepting that Russia did it or was implicated.
    Just yesterday the USA ambassador here, Pieter Hoekstra, stated that Russia should be punished by not allowing a new has pipeline to be built from Russia to Germany.
    Those who are punished are we, USA gas is 20% more expensive than Russian gas.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  262. Anonymous[413] • Disclaimer says:
    @Al Monee

    Well credit where credit is due. That is remarkably coherent and nuanced by UR thread standards when conspiracy is in the air.

    It still doesn’t make it remotely likely that Israel would have taken the risk of knocking off a President of its essential ally or his extremely prominent brother. You almost concede that and produce the more defensible idea that Americans who brought about JFK’s murder (obviously not Castro’s men) would be the ones with a motive to prevent RFK from reopening the inquiry into his brother’s murder. The trouble is that we are again stuck without adequate motive for the JFK murder as well as the need to point to some who would take the huge risk. On top of that you have to point to people who still, nearly five years on, were in a position to carry off a major conspiracy against a presidential candidate. Moreover you have to explain why they wouldn’t wait a few months so they might not have to take the huge risks involved.

    • Replies: @j2
  263. Many people have noted that John F Kennedy Junior died under suspicious circumstances. John Johns removal from the living (1) eliminated a potential new inquiry into the assassination of his father and uncle and (2) allowed a certain carpet-bagging political witch to secure the office of Senator of New York that would have been a lock for JFK Jr.

    But since we are discussing victims of Zionism, may I add the name of Joseph P Kennedy Junior. John, Robert and Ted’s older brother, who died in World War II.

    WW2 was a british and zionist project from start to finish. FDR, happily sent American citizens to die for Zionism. Joseph Kennedy died in a zionist war.

    All four Kennedy’s died as a result of zionist machinations

  264. j2 says:
    @Anonymous

    “It still doesn’t make it remotely likely that Israel would have taken the risk of knocking off a President of its essential ally or his extremely prominent brother.”

    You mean Israel as a state. I do not think it was voted in Knesset. But how about some people (like previous known terrorists) or friends of Israel (like known gangsters)?

    • Replies: @headrick
  265. Robjil says:
    @republic

    Here is another interesting article about in the JFK jr assassination. It looks at the Israeli angle.

    http://www.investmentwatchblog.com/john-kennedy-jr-s-assassination-what-would-our-country-be-today-if-he-had-lived/

    John Kennedy Jr. had created the groundbreaking magazine, GEORGE. He made it his mission to speak out and report news that other publications would not touch.

    In March, 1997, JFK Jr. published a truly groundbreaking piece of work in GEORGE. He stepped into a new rank of the “truth seekers” when he bravely chose to expose a plot involving the murder of Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin. In fact, this piece shocked Israel.

    Jewish Web Network News April 02 1997 –

    “Israeli Prime Minister Rabin’s widow charged Tuesday that John Kennedy Jr.’s magazine crossed “the red line” by publishing an article by the mother of her husband’s assassin. “How, of all people, could he do such a thing? Perhaps he needed a sensational story to sell his paper. I would expect that he would take a higher moral stand in his paper.”

    http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/news/rabin-wife-blasts-jfk-jr-article-1.765204

    WASHINGTON The wife of assassinated Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin yesterday slammed John F. Kennedy Jr. for publishing an article alleging that her husband was betrayed by his own security force. Leah Rabin said she was “enraged when the son of the late President Kennedy gave a platform in his magazine, George, to the mother of my husband’s murderer.

    [MORE]

    “How could he [JFK Jr.], of all people, do such a thing? Perhaps he needed a sensational piece” to boost circulation, Rabin said in an address to the National Press Club. She was referring to an article in the March issue of the Manhattan-based magazine, which JFK Jr. co-founded and edits, by Geula Amir, mother of convicted Rabin assassin Yigal Amir. In the piece, Geula Amir alleged that her son may have been goaded into killing Yitzhak Rabin in November 1995 by conspirators in Israel’s Shin Bet security service. Leah Rabin said: “I would expect John Kennedy, who lost his father to an assassin’s bullet when he was a mere child and grew up in the shadow of that horrible tragedy, to adopt a higher moral stand in his paper.”

    After the death of John Kennedy Jr., his wife, and his sister-in-law, facts started to be noticed.

    1)FBI reported a bomb on the plane – type of explosive by foreign intelligence services.

    2)Catherine Crier of Fox TV’s The Crier Report – “JFK Jr. to meet Mossad officers to get report on Rabin assassination.”

    3)German newspaper, “Franfurter Allgemaine Zeitung,” – “Kennedy met with the deputy chief of the Mossad, Amiram Levine, to get the story on the Rabin assassination two days before his plane went down.”

    4)The “Maariv” interview with JFK’s Israeli chauffeur.

    5)Ehud Barak was in Washington at the time of Kennedy’s death.

    6) Victor Pribanic heard the explosion from the same location and time frame where the plane went down.

    7)Plane wreckage was recovered under national security conditions.

    8)No reporters were allowed to see or photograph it.

    9)Wreckage put into sealed containers..

    10)FAA report stated recovered engine was not the problem.

    11)An emergency beacon thought to belong to the plane was activated and heard by the Coast Guard in Long Island, N.Y., at 3:40 a.m. But as the search went on, authorities seemed to discount the relevance of the beacon signal. Kurt Hartman, spokesman for the U.S. Coast Guard’s district headquarters in New Haven, Conn., said this morning, “We received a call from our district office in Boston directing us to conduct a shoreline search off Horton Point, in Long Island Sound, for an emergency locating transmitting beacon.” But by 10:30 a.m., the Coast Guard was no longer receiving a signal from the emergency beacon that was believed to be on Kennedy’s small plane. Petty Officer Virginia Adams in Boston confirmed to United Press International that the Coast Guard lost the signal Saturday morning.

    (What happened to the beacon?)

    12)The Air Force and Air National Guard mounted a massive air search using helicopters, Falcon jets and a TC-130 aircraft over a 1,000-square-mile search area that eventually concentrated on Martha’s Vineyard.

    (Why did they not focus on the Martha Vineyard’s area from the beginning?)

    The US Federal Aviation administration did admit that it had been asked to find John F Kennedy Jr’s plane less than half an hour after it crashed into the Atlantic, but it was more than four hours before the alarm was raised.

    Further the admission followed the publication of an air traffic control transcript in two Boston newspapers. It records the attempts of Adam Budd, an airport worker at Martha’s Vineyard, to get information about the whereabouts of JFK Jr’s Piper Saratoga.

    At 10.05pm on Friday, 25 minutes after the plane disappeared from the sky, Mr Budd asked a controller to track it. “Actually, Kennedy Jr’s on board. He’s uh, they want to know, uh, where he is,” Mr Budd said.

    After repeatedly questioning Mr. Budd’s identity the FAA controller said: “We don’t give this information out to people over the phone.”

    Mr Budd concluded the conversation with, “OK, well, if it’s too much trouble.” Sadly the alarm was not raised until 2.15am when relatives called the Coast Guard.

    A technical fact I found very interesting in some of my research is the fuel selector valve on Kennedy’s plane was found to have been turned to the off position. The fact that the fuel selector valve had been turned off was not explained in the official NTSB report. This valve has two functions:

    1)Alerts the engine from which fuel tank to draw its fuel. To avoid an unsafe weight distribution, a pilot sees to it that his engine burns fuel, each tank still has approximately the same amount of fuel as the other tank. He does this by moving the switch on the fuel selector valve back and forth between the right tank and the left tank during the course of a flight.

    2)The second and less frequently used function is to cut off all fuel to the engine from both tanks. It is obvious that a pilot would not ordinarily want to do this in the course of a flight, as it would shut down the engine.

    A fuel selector valve is constructed in such a way as to prevent a pilot’s turning it off by mistake. Whoever turned the fuel selector valve off on Kennedy’s plane knew what he was doing and did so deliberately.

    There is a questionable THEORY there was a fourth passenger, a flight instructor, on Kennedy’s plane. There are eyewitnesses who saw Kennedy, his wife, and his sister-in-law waiting for about 45 minutes in the airport lounge before takeoff. What were they waiting for?

    The theory is they were waiting for a flight instructor. John had told a friend that same day a flight instructor would be accompanying him, but what if the flight instructor failed to show? Kennedy could have gotten another flight instructor on short notice. There are also eyewitnesses on the Coast Guard rescue team, who state that when they arrived at the crashed airplane, they found one of the seats to be missing. Did the rescuers remove a body that was still strapped to its seat?

    Of course, this would suggest a Manchurian Candidate – someone who was under mind-control, and was programmed to help assassinate Kennedy Jr. I have no opinion on this at this time – I am still considering it.

    I want to quote from an article I found very interesting and must be inserted into this investigation. You may find the full article at: whale.to/c/jfk_jr5.html

    “Kennedy was preparing to re-tool “George” magazine to take on investigations of a number of major stories, not least of which was the actual story behind the assassination of his father in Dallas on November 22, 1963. According to an article in Germany’s Bild am Sonntag on August 1, 1999, Kennedy was also preparing to meet with the deputy chief of Mossad, Amiran Levine, at the Oak Room in Manhattan’s Plaza Hotel the Wednesday after Kennedy was killed. The subject was the assassination of Israel’s Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin in 1995, and that Rabin was assassinated by one of his body guards and not the convicted murderer Yigal Amir.

    (We also have the fact that Fox News reported this, also, which I have listed in this essay.)

    Kennedy’s friend said the real priority of the “George” publisher was to re-open the case of the assassination of President John F. Kennedy and the role that the father of the all-but-announced Republican presidential candidate for the upcoming 2000 election — George W. Bush — played in the assassination. Apparently, some documents had come into Kennedy’s possession that pointed to George H. W. Bush as a prime participant, on behalf of the CIA, in President Kennedy’s murder.

    On a 1997 visit to see Cuban President Fidel Castro in Havana for an interview for “George,” the Cuban President reportedly told Kennedy a number of details about those behind his father’s assassination. The occasion of Kennedy Jr.’s visit was the 35th anniversary of the Cuban missile crisis between his father and Soviet Premier Nikita Khrushchev. According to Kennedy’s friend, Castro confided to Kennedy that a mafia ring headed up by Meyer Lansky, who lost his Cuban gambling holdings to Castro’s revolution, and a Canadian Zionist veteran of Israel’s Haganah army, Louis Bloomfield, were the primary planners of the Dallas “hit” on his father. Jack Ruby, who killed the alleged assassin Lee Harvey Oswald, worked directly for Lansky’s organization, Kennedy was told.

    Although the information on J.F.K. Jr.’s plans to more thoroughly examine the facts of his father’s assassination came from a single source — a friend of the late Kennedy Jr. — this editor is in a unique position to corroborate part of the story.

    On Saturday, July 17, 1999, I was driving to a hotel in Crystal City, Virginia to proctor a certification examination for a group of computer security professionals. Listening to the radio, the bulletin came across that John F. Kennedy Jr.’s plane was missing. The news came as a body blow. In a few weeks, I was scheduled to meet with Kennedy at his magazine’s offices in Washington, DC to discuss hiring on as one of a few investigative journalists Kennedy wanted to dig deep into a number of cases, but most importantly that of his father’s assassination. Kennedy had made initial contact with me via a colleague with The Village Voice. I signaled my readiness to do whatever Kennedy wanted because, first of all, I have always been an admirer of the Kennedy family, and after twelve years under Bush presidencies, that admiration has developed into a loyalty for which I make no apologies.

    My past discussions with President Kennedy’s press secretary Pierre Salinger and Texas Governor John Connally led me to believe that the young Kennedy was on to the story of a lifetime — a lifetime that for Kennedy Jr. would be tragically snuffed out early.

    After I heard the news report about Kennedy’s plane and knowing of his plans, I knew deep down that he was gone and that the renewed investigation of America’s worst crime of the 20th century was dead along with him. Little did I realize at the time, but I heard the news about Kennedy as I was driving along Route 110 past the side of the Pentagon where the worst crime of the 21st century would take place under the administration of George W. Bush.

    In the end, Hillary Clinton was elected to the U.S. Senate seat that Kennedy was to run for. Kennedy’s sister, Caroline Kennedy Schlossberg, would see her own hopes to be appointed to the Senate seat dashed when, according to John H. Kennedy Jr.s’ friend, Senator Charles Schumer and Barack Obama chief of staff Rahm Emanuel conspired to have New York Governor David Paterson appoint a virtual unknown, Kirsten Gillibrand, to the seat. Caroline Kennedy was instead offered a consolation prize of the post of U.S. ambassador to the Vatican, a position that Schumer and Emanuel knew in advance she would never accept. “

    Seriously, are we supposed to accept that John Kennedy Jr. was the reckless and distraught individual some of the media portrayed him to be? Are we supposed to believe that it was Kennedy’s supposed lack of experience that caused the plane crash? Ridiculous!

    He was planning a N.Y. Senate campaign against Hillary Clinton, and he was most certainly cognizant of the fact that his father and uncle were murdered by a covert government cabal. Young Kennedy had become a skilled journalist and had access to any information he sought. GEORGE was to be politics – not as usual.

    Kennedy’s GEORGE magazine had recently published an interview with George Wallace – focusing strongly on the obvious conspiracy behind the attempted assassination on him, as well as a expose of the Rabin assassination in Israel. This clearly indicates that John Kennedy Jr. was planning to fight the Deep State!

  266. @Wizard of Oz

    Oh, give it a rest. The only person who takes you seriously is you.

    • Replies: @Anon
  267. vinteuil says:
    @manorchurch

    hmmm…establishing a comment history by posting random, incoherent b.s. – where have I seen that before?

    • Replies: @manorchurch
  268. headrick says:
    @j2

    But LBJ was a rough character, (see earlier post), and letters from Ben-Gurion convinced
    him that as a committed zionist, it was his duty to assume the presidency and protect Israel in their time of need and existential threat. There is no need to cast the net of conspiracy directly back to the Israeli state. The Zionist heart is sufficient to do whatever needs to be done. So stop looking for secret direct links- Letters from Ben-Gurion to LBJ are as close as you are going to get, but sufficient.

    • Replies: @j2
  269. Anon[436] • Disclaimer says:
    @republic

    “Rubin assassination”. Who was Rubin? Yeah, I know, when all you have in your head is bits and pieces of fake news what does it matter if you spout total crap. Bodies cremated by the Bessette family – including Lauren’s twin – to cover up for some murderers??!! Try selling ads on a porn site:it would be more sensitive and respectable, as well as possibly suiting your talents.

  270. Anonymous[436] • Disclaimer says:
    @ians

    Stop wriggling and front up with a response to the issue clearly raised. Who were these Olympians and when, where and how did they demonstrate what you say they did? And please quote links which aren’t on a par with those which will tell you that Rupert Murdoch is Jewish.

    • Replies: @MacNucc11
    , @ians
  271. MacNucc11 says:
    @Jewaroo

    Nice try but I am familiar with the false dichotomy or false dilemma. It has to be either Israel or the CIA. But of course it is both.

  272. The context of this article is accurate. The ‘ashkenazi jews’, recognized more readily as ‘cesars/kazars’, were the perpetrators of these crimes, and thousands of others. What is dolefully omitted from all of these ‘arguments’, however, is that none of these conspiratorial escapades by the usurper ‘jews’ could have been committed, covered over, and kept at bay without the access of unlimited quantities of cash, the kind of cash that only a privately owned central bank can offer. ‘jew’ owned central banking cabals go back for many centures; they are nothing new. And only a ‘jew’ owned central bank, mis-nomered as a Federal Reserve Corp., has the unfettered access to, and distribution of, unlimited amounts of cash to their ‘jew’ counterparts. Remove the ‘jew’ ownership and then dismantle the criminal cabal known as the Fed, and the ‘jew’ world of crime and deception begins to helplessly unravel. Leave the ‘jew’ owned central bankster cabal in place, and nothing changes. Non-jews, like LBJ, can always be had for the proper 30 pieces of silver. Parasites are parasites. ‘jews’ and non-jews alike. Trump is on their trail; and they know it all too well.

  273. MacNucc11 says:
    @ians

    The notion that the U.S. could not get rid of Castro if it really wanted to is the silliest thing out there. It would take a matter of minutes to invade Cuba and establish it as a U.S. territory.
    The thing about Oswald that is very suspect after the shooting, he is sitting in the book depository and a policeman comes in and asks who he is. Why would a policeman be coming into the book depository where no one said shots were coming from and point to a random person sitting there who is no more suspicious than anyone else? He was there to arrest the patsy but the patsy figured out what was up and fled. Why was anyone looking for Oswald in the first place?

    • Replies: @ians
  274. sarz says:
    @vinteuil

    Hmmm – sounds like a family of winners [-- the Rothschilds]. So how do I sign up with them?

    You might try posting on YouTube a clip of yourself torturing and then eating a blond haired child. Wearing a kippah and tefilim would be a plus.

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  275. MacNucc11 says:
    @Anonymous

    I think he is confusing the Olympians with Mosad snipers. It is in the book By Way of Deception by Mossad officer Victor Ostrovsky. The shot could not be replicated under ideal conditions. This book came out in the early to mid eighties and is available on Amazon. I purchased it years ago at a thrift shop. Interesting read.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  276. sarz says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Did you ask her if she was Jewish? It would aid your credibility if you were to mention your your hard world identity and contact details.

  277. Anonymous[370] • Disclaimer says:
    @MacNucc11

    That’s quite funny. How unfortunate for the “Israel did it” conspiracy theorists!

    • Replies: @gsjackson
  278. Anon[370] • Disclaimer says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    “Seriously” may not be the point when someone wants to rile a plodder like you. Just the moniker Wizard of Oz gets you writing unsweet nothings like they are your catechism.

  279. Uncle Sam says:
    @ians

    Have you seen the video?

  280. @ians

    Despite numerous attempts, not one Olympic status shooter has been able to replicate the supposed feat.

    I believe you say that in a dishonest effort to convince the unbelievers.

    In the years following the assassination, the “feat” was duplicated many times, by many shooters. I remember it well — especially during the Warren commission days. There were a few TV documentaries broadcast, some observing detail so religiously as to use motorized conveyors, with a cantalope perched on a mount — same height, same rate of speed, same distance, etc.

    No, I am not going to provide you with documentation. You are a wackadoodle; I do not fetch for wackadoodles.

    • Replies: @ians
    , @MacNucc11
    , @j2
  281. Sean says:
    @ians

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WovyEqfR8Hg&feature=youtu.be

    Also take note that the limo stopping for the fatal shot was not part of the reconstruction. Lee Harvey Oswald did not shoot until the limo passed because he would have instantly draw fire from police and secret service if he had fired as the car was approaching; he understood the way to have time for multiple shots was to fire as the limo was moving away. Oswald would have been familiar with his rifle and probably at least a fast as someone who was relatively new to it. It was good shooting under pressure but not unbeatable minus that pressure as it has been bested though only in test conditions.

    Lee Harley Oswald was beaten about the face by police and gun residue may have got removed by first aid. Oswald was a an assassin who passed the Marshmallow test with flying colours. He passed up the easy immediate shot, and that decision by Oswald meant he could have multiple tries, and in more time than originally thought

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WovyEqfR8Hg&feature=youtu.be

    • Replies: @ians
  282. @vinteuil

    hmmm…establishing a comment history by posting random, incoherent b.s. – where have I seen that before?

    Where? My guess would be from some series of events in your past?

    Mister, you are full of shit. Ain’t no two ways about it. Like most bullshitters, you don’t like having it pointed out.

  283. @Intelligent Dasein

    With no mutation, no natural selection, and no mechanism of inheritance, all three legs of the Darwinian stool are kicked out. I realize this is an extremely crude and incomplete beginning, but I must stop now for it is getting late.

    Yeah, it’s late. And the merde is deep.

  284. skrik says:
    @Them Guys

    “For they are the adversaries of God and of All of Mankind”!

    This is the best comment I’ve found so far. Although I don’t ‘do’ religion, the I/J/Z-plex certainly seems to a) have it in for the rest of mankind and b) claims some fantasy ‘god’ as their own, in a truly stupid attempt to ‘justify’ the tribe’s execrable evil. But, I see a problem for the I/J/Z-plex, namely that they are *not* who they claim to be = descendants of some ancient Hebrew tribe, but the great majority = so-called ‘European’ Jews = Ashkenazim, are actually descended from Khazars, Turco Finn by race, origin the steppes somewhere north of the Caucasus. The proof of this is ‘easy;’ Q: Does this man look anyway “Semitic?”

    A: Haw.
    Thesis: That the I/J/Z-plex are impostors = lying swindlers, they own no ‘god’ and their ‘illness’ is only in their minds, not in any [Hebrew = Judaic] genes.

    As such, the I/J/Z-plex could reform themselves in an instant; just say “No!” to all further lying, cheating and murdering for Lebensraum = spoil. rgds

  285. I’m just doing a favour for those so cloddishly stupid that they believe made up crap about someone as important and influential as Rupert Murdoch, and haven’t the ability (assuming they care) to find out the truth.

    Despite your curious post I would credit you with the ability to do some elementary research although I have to be charitable not to question your good faith when you show no sign of having read the links provided.

    Here’s another one that carries ten times as much weight of credibility as any identification of myself I might offer on UR:

    https://www.news.com.au/news/dame-elisabeth-turns-100/news-story/fcfdb2d55a7405a84a8a0a07999e63dc

    • Replies: @skrik
  286. ians says:
    @Anonymous

    Final response to you. Which issue among all the BS you’ve crapped all over this thread? Anyone with the slightest interest in the case is aware that reconstructions of the supposed shooting feat were carried out. All expert marksmen, including an Olympic medallist failed to replicate the feat. As for providing links, do your own research into commonly known facts.
    Who the eff is talking about Murdoch?

  287. ians says:
    @MacNucc11

    I doubt the US invading forces would have been welcomed as liberators then.
    Onlookers heard shots from, some claimed from the Depository and others from the knoll. The policeman, Baker, entered the building and accompanied by Truly, encountered Oswald immediately after, near the lunchroom. Oswald did not appear flustered or out of breath. Baker asked Truly, the manager, who he was and was satisfied when informed Oswald was a worker.

    • Replies: @MacNucc11
  288. skrik says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    ten times as much weight of credibility

    From theAus article:

    Her mother came from an Anglo-Irish family

    Evil is, as evil does. Here, I refer to her son Rupert, whose paper, The Australian, ran a ~100 day ‘full black headline’ campaign against the Whitlam govt.. Many lies were included; much of it was, as we now know, “fake news.”

    But it remained for the Jews, with their unqualified capacity for falsehood, …

    It may well be, that Rupert is not Jewish, but I wouldn’t bet on it.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  289. annamaria says:
    @Sean

    Please, stay on point. The US had had its certified Jewish Prez – the treacherous Truman – and the consequences have been disastrous for the US.

  290. ians says:
    @manorchurch

    You’re not able to provide documentation as you’re making it up as you go along. Wackadoodle? Christ, what age are you? You sound like Kathy Bates in Misery.

    • Replies: @manorchurch
  291. ians says:
    @Sean

    Your points would have greater validity if the rifle used was a better piece of equipment. All the sharpshooters struggledwith the bolt action and with the sights. Anyway, the rifle booked into evidence is of a different length to the one supposedly ordered.
    I’ve no idea if Oswald received first aid and that’s the first time I’ve heard that theory.
    The fatal shot took out the back of JFK’s head, as acknowledged at te time by the Parkland doctors.
    If you are genuinely interested in the assassination, the Douglass book mentioned above is a worthwhile read. It’s more a Whydunnit than a Whodunnit.

    • Replies: @Sean
  292. annamaria says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    “This whole article on Israeli angle is simply preposterous.”
    – It is not. People also remember the ziocons’ thirst for the ongoing slaughter in the Middle East (on the US dime, of course). People have been observing the Lobby’s bacchanalia of pernicious influence and the zionization of the US government and military. And people have been getting fed up with the holocaust biz (in the context of the ziocons’ collaboration with neo-Nazis in eastern Europe and with ISIS in the Middle East). Your artificial state of Israel is a moral corpse.
    The slow, paralyzing death of Zionism: http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2018/06/razan-al-najjar-f-b-ali.html

  293. @skrik

    How bizarre. You complain about The Australian publishing fake news but barefacedly give as a purported but actually made up quote an anti-Semitic jibe as though it was either in The Australian piece or was already in this thread.

    Still, if you are a weirdo maybe you would bet on Rupert Murdoch if I give you good odds. You can bet as much as you like and I’ll give you 100 to 1. Ron Unz can charge a fee for facilitating it.

  294. annamaria says:
    @Sean

    “The real Oswald was a Communist…”
    — In case you missed the following section in the paper: “Johnson’s privileged control over the Navy is an important aspect of the case because the Navy was critical in the setting up and in the cover-up of the plot. … Lee Harvey Oswald had been a Marine, and as a Marine he had worked for the Office of Naval Intelligence (ONI).
    … it is at the Naval Hospital in Washington, under the control of Navy officers… The report of this autopsy stated that the fatal bullet had entered the back of Kennedy’s skull, which
    contradicted the testimonies of twenty-one members of the Dallas hospital staff who saw two entry bullet-wounds on the front of Kennedy’s body. This was critical because Oswald was presumably shooting from behind Kennedy, and could not possibly have caused these bullet wounds.”
    – Either you have experienced a cognitive blindness while reading the section or you are engaged in littering this forum with the supposed “contradictions.”
    As for the”Communist,” please redirect your attention to a powerful nest of Trotskyists (ziocons) who have been promoting the belligerent (and disastrous) policies in the name of Eretz Israel.
    Another great case is the certain Bill Browder, from a prominent Jewish-American family of communists, who have been most instrumental in promoting the Magnitsky Act, a set of sanctions against Russian Federation. This Bill Brower:

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @Anon
  295. MacNucc11 says:
    @Sean

    Wait, you mean Joe McCarthy was right? Our government was actually infiltrated by communists? Thank goodness, many people consider it a nutty conspiracy. But you have verified that Oswald was a communist while having the highest level of security clearance. Now let’s get to work rooting out all those communists from our government. Hmmm, where should we start?

  296. geokat62 says:
    @annamaria

    Another great case is the certain Bill Browder…

    Well done, annamaria. We need more people to constantly draw attention to this scumbag, who is on a one man mission to reignite the Cold War with Russia, by pushing as many countries as he can to pass legislation that mimics the bogus Magnisky Act. For those who are unaware, Alex Krainer in The Killing of William Browder does an exemplary job debunking all the myths surrounding Browder, who tries to portray himself, of all things, as a human rights advocate!

  297. MacNucc11 says:
    @ians

    right, but to me it is suspicious he would pick Oswald out of the crowd to ask about. The fact that they even came to the depository probably surprised Oswald and he knew to get out of there. Why anyone was ever looking for him is very suspect. In other words for who should have been a non-suspect the police were on his tail immediately.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  298. MacNucc11 says:
    @manorchurch

    Great, so you have ruled Oswald out as the shooter since we know from the forensic evidence that the shots came from the front.

  299. j2 says:
    @headrick

    Agreed. I do not think there is sufficient evidence for pointing at the state of Israel. It can be friends of Israel like LBJ, Dulles, Lansky, Angleton and maybe some people in Israel. The project of creating Israel with two world wars was not run by the state of Israel, which at that time did not exist, and I am not convinced one should say that it is the Jews rather than it is some Freemason linked Messianic people of whom many were Jewish, so called Zionists (not the Zionists of Herzl organization).

  300. Sparkon says:

    Lee Harvey Oswald didn’t kill President Kennedy. He was set up, and framed.

    Upon arriving at the sixth floor, Craig quickly located three spent cartridges by the southeast corner window, all lined up as if carefully set in place, something he found highly suspicious. One cartridge had a strange crimp. A rifle was soon located stashed in a pile of cardboard boxes. Stamped on the barrel was “7.65 Mauser.” Captain Fritz, chief of homicide for Dallas, arrived and took possession. That night the murder weapon used to kill JFK was described on all three networks as a German Mauser.

    https://stevenhager420.wordpress.com/2016/12/12/the-disappearing-mauser-is-a-key-to-the-jfk-assa

    Later, the switcheroo was made — Roger Craig alone refused to recant — and the Mauser became a Manlicher-Carcano, a cheap Italian knock-off of the German carbine very tenuously linked to Oswald, or rather A. Hidell an alias LHO is never known to have used, except to order the carbine, but:

    The experts from the US Army and the FBI who had tested the rifle [sic] discovered that it was actually not usable in its original state:

    • Shims had to be applied to the telescopic sight before the rifle could be aimed.
    • Even after the telescopic sight had been repaired, it proved unreliable and inaccurate.
    • The condition of both the bolt and the trigger pull meant that the rifle could not be aimed accurately.

    http://22november1963.org.uk/oswald-rifle-and-paraffin-tests

    However, probably the most convincing proof that Lee Harvey Oswald didn’t kill JFK is the distinctive open, or mostly unbuttoned shirt Oswald was wearing something like a jacket over his white t-shirt when arrested.

    At the instant of JFK’s assassination, AP photographer Ike Altgens snapped a photograph of the motorcade. In the photo, we see JFK clutching at his neck. In the background, a man wearing Oswald’s distinctive attire can be seen standing in the doorway of the Texas School Book Depository.

    Oswald in Doorway
    Photo: Ike Altgens, AP

    Oswald after arrest

    The Altgens photo was hastily edited apparently after someone noticed Oswald was in the photo. Billy Lovelady’s face was pasted over Oswald’s, but they ignored, or didn’t have time, to edit the shirt. Later, for some reason, Lovelady was photographed wearing a plaid shirt, which was not really that similar to Oswald’s odd-ball garment, but which was nevertheless entirely dissimilar to the boldly striped shirt Lovelady had worn on November 22, 1963.

    http://jamesfetzer.blogspot.com/2015/09/jfk-special-oswald-was-in-doorway-after.html

    Zion must have very long arms.

    • Replies: @ians
  301. MacNucc11 says:
    @Sean

    Doesn’t it seem odd that we actually know what happened when Oswald, a nobody, stopped by the consulate in Mexico and stormed out? How would this even be memorable to anyone? Just like filming him handing out fairness for Cuba pamphlets in New Orleans. Who would be filming this non event and why? This all was an attempt to make him a better patsy. Make everyone think something ridiculous. So what if he was a communist, which I do not believe, but so what? Does that mean every communist in this country had a motive to kill JFK? It is not like JFK would be the first target of a communist. That is almost as weak as the motive of anti-Castro Cubans. So JFK was not sufficiently anti Castro you have to kill him? It has to be the most laughable thing out there. Our government spooks could not kill Castro, but anti-Castro Cubans waltz in here and kill our president using a supposed Castro devotee. Or is it the anti-Castro Cubans were the ones so sophisticated that they set up the pro Castro Oswald? The various acceptable theories tend to rule each other out and are poor motive. I really don’t think anyone had sufficient motive to target Kennedy based on his opinions on Castro.

    • Agree: renfro
    • Replies: @ians
    , @Sean
  302. j2 says:
    @manorchurch

    The feat includes hitting to the head from the back so that first the head moves forward and immediately after that the whole body moves backward. Despite a theoretical possibility of pressure growing inside the head and exploding, this movement is much easier explained by two bullets: one from the back and immediately after one from the front. The feat also includes shooting a magic bullet, which makes many wounds but the bullet is not much deformed. These have not been repeated in any trials as far as I know. They require a magician, not an Olympic level shooter.

    • Replies: @manorchurch
  303. MacNucc11 says:
    @ians

    Just call them the lone nutters. But boy the lone nuts seem to be seriously underachieving lately don’t they? Have they gone extinct? I mean they had such a nice run there. Such a shame. They seem to have no political agenda anymore. A failure of our school systems. All they can produce are mass murdering mindless school shooters. Amazingly the lone nutters are able to switch gears and go full blown conspiracy when an event like 9/11 takes place. I think that is the basket of nuts theory. I know it gets harder and harder to be consistent when you deny reality.

    • Replies: @ians
    , @Cold N. Holefield
  304. DanFromCT says:

    What about press secretary Frank Mankiewicz’s reportedly insisting RFK leave through the complicated kitchen pantry route, where Sirhan had been allowed to loiter with a loaded pistol for half an hour, despite RFK’s always greeting his supporters after his speeches? Zionist Frank Mankiewicz was head of the Los Angelos ADL, while the Ambassador Hotel was owned by ultra Zionist Myer Shine. So, fifty years later all major federal agencies have not only dual loyalty at the operational level, but an espionage role parasitizing the American host as well. Add to that the outright power through the msm to be America’s sole antennae providing input from the world outside, and not even nature can match that degree of parasitism.

    In nature, a tiny parasitic wasp, Ampulex compressa, not one-fiftieth the size of its prey, injects poison enabling it to become the host’s interface with the external world and, by manipulating the host’s antennae, directs it to its lair for its maggot’s consumption. Such grotesque horror is analogously trivial compared to the Zionists’ ability to be the Christian Zionists’ interface with their external world to the point they proudly offer up their sons and daughters as fodder to a tiny parasite not one-fiftieth their number.

    • Replies: @ians
    , @Laurent Guyénot
  305. Sean says:
    @j2

    https://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/25/opinion/the-frustrations-of-inspections.html

    The Eisenhower administration…provided some technology for a small reactor outside Tel Aviv … in 1958, a U-2 spy plane spotted a suspicious construction site in the Negev.[''']Ben-Gurion, fearing Soviet interference, preferred United States inspections to international ones. But Israel controlled the inspections tightly. The first tour came, after much Israeli stalliling, on May 18, 1961, when two scientists from the United States Atomic Energy Commission spent the day being shown around Dimona, saw no plutonium-separation plant, and gave the reactor something close to a clean bill of health.

    The US gave them nuclear technology and American intelligence knew they were working on a bomb almost immediately. This concern by Kennedy was all running interference for Israel, dissimulation for international consumption.

    • Disagree: utu
    • Replies: @Iris
  306. ians says:
    @Sparkon

    The Mauser was also identified at the time of discovery by a Deputy who had owned a sporting goods store and was an expert on rifles. Wasn’t that hard to identify anyway as you point out it had Mauser stamped on it. The rifle supposedly ordered by Oswald (Hidell) is of a different length to the one subsequently claimed to be the murder weapon.
    The Mannlicher Carcano was in as poor a condition as you describe.
    Have you read the Douglass book? It’s very good indeed.

  307. ians says:
    @MacNucc11

    The individual who impersonated Oswald at the Embassy was photographed and was a stocky, blonde man who has never since been identified.

  308. ians says:
    @MacNucc11

    Completely agree. Bizarre lack of consistency, particularly given the amount of evidence that’s been uncovered over the years.

  309. MacNucc11 says:
    @Anon

    But killed by Hildabeast means to me Rahm Emmanuel. Crooked as they come and ties to Irgun.

  310. ians says:
    @DanFromCT

    That was extremely odd, given that RFK was supposed to have taken an entirely different route as you point out. He can be seen on film grabbing RFK and turning him in a different direction from the one he was initially setting out on.

  311. Sean says:
    @MacNucc11

    Actually, the Warren Commission suppressed all testimony that indicated that Oswald had offered to kill Kennedy while at the Cuban Consulate. Bobby thought that his brother’s death was tied up with Cuba. Oswald had a lot in common with JFK, both were Cold War Warriers. Oswald wanted to go to Cuba so he could get more ass than a toilet seat the way he had while in the Soviet Union. He was probably going to cross the border and make for the Cuban embassy, leaving his insatiable Russian wife behind.

    No one that mattered cared about Israel getting Nukes, Germany was different and JFK was intent on letting Germany have a say in Nato’s nuke use, this was responded to by the Soviets by sending nukes to Cuba, nearly starting WW3. Kennedy was so busy with his great hair that enabled him to violating virgins and any other woman he was left alone with, and getting shot up with meth that he made a serious of poorly thought out continuations of Eisenhower’s disastrous foreign policy (including Vietnam) . Oswald did the world a favour and no one more than JFK who got to be remembered as something other than a priapic incompetent invalid and junkie. Oswald only managed to put Kennedy uot of everyone’s misery because Kennedy overruled the secret service and insisted that the perspex bubble shield be left off of the limo in Dallas; he wanted it to happen because deep down he knew he was a fraud. Robert Kennedy was even worse that his big brother when it came to foreign policy. Bobby would probably not have won the nomination because it was already tied up. Anyway America was not willing to elect someone who would just pull out of Vietnam, Nixon was the one who would do that while saving what face America had left.

  312. @renfro

    Thanks, Renfro, for inadvertently highlighting the big difference between Israel and CIA: Israel is subject to law enforcement and counterintelligence scrutiny, while CIA has impunity, arbitrary classification authority, and an institutionalized disinformation network like this:

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-cia-and-the-media-50-facts-the-world-needs-to-know/5471956

    But we’re supposed to believe Israel killed both Kennedys by outsmarting CIA staff who kill heads of state for a living. Yeah. Right.

    • Replies: @renfro
  313. gsjackson says:
    @Anonymous

    No, actually it’s of a piece with the original article’s thesis. Those looking into the murder enough to doubt the Oswald single assassin theory are sent in the direction of the CIA by Jews and their media outlets. Mossad is just helping direct traffic here — away from themselves.

  314. @MacNucc11

    Just call them the lone nutters. But boy the lone nuts seem to be seriously underachieving lately don’t they? Have they gone extinct? I mean they had such a nice run there. Such a shame. They seem to have no political agenda anymore. A failure of our school systems. All they can produce are mass murdering mindless school shooters. Amazingly the lone nutters are able to switch gears and go full blown conspiracy when an event like 9/11 takes place. I think that is the basket of nuts theory. I know it gets harder and harder to be consistent when you deny reality.

    HaHa!! This made me laugh out loud. So true. Hinckley was the last of his kind and for good reason since he royally screwed up the Reagan Assassination and I guess that was the end of that, as they say. He didn’t attend The Jack Ruby Academy and learn how to effectively assassinate your target from 30 feet or less. Ruby made sure he got his man, but no, not Hinckley. He was too distracted catching Jodie Foster in The Rye, thus he botched it and that was the end of a glorious era where an assassin could pull himself up by the bootstraps and make something of himself.

    • Replies: @Sean
  315. Josecanuc says:
    @renfro

     “One thing I have come to know thoroughly: the abysmal lack of character in man.” Kierkegaard

  316. @DanFromCT

    That is interesting. Could you direct me to some source where I could check that. On viewing the footage of RFK’s leaving the stage, I can’t really identify Mankiewicz.

  317. MacNucc11 says:

    You are right. These guys all defied the odds to become lone nuts. Oswald ; married, connected, not nuts but he achieved acceptance from the lone nutters. Hinckley, rich affluent family with connections to the Bushs and oil money. Ok, I will give you probably nuts but lone?
    Jack Ruby, connected to everyone mob, Israel, lone? Ran a strip club I believe. Motive? umm, thought he would be pardoned.

  318. Sean says:
    @Cold N. Holefield

    Hinckey used a .22. You would not even suicide yourself with one of those: risk of ending up blind and/or a vegetable.

    Obesity causes inflammation, which causes paranoia. They are obese and in mommy’s basement, where they smoke pot to relieve feelings of fear and anxiety. If you think Israel killed Kennedy, breath very slowly and stroke the ridge just above your ear hole, these activates the Vagus nerve to take your immune system off red alert. Exercise and sleep at least 8 hours and you will begin to recover

    • Replies: @MacNucc11
  319. @ians

    You’re not able to provide documentation as you’re making it up as you go along. Wackadoodle? Christ, what age are you? You sound like Kathy Bates in Misery.

    There is ample literature supporting other positions. For instance, there is reason to believe that the frame rate on the Zapruder camera was slow. All kinds of stuff — point being that nobody knows for sure. Getting all wackadoodle about “facts” you accept as an article of faith is just that: wacky.

  320. @j2

    The feat includes hitting to the head from the back so that first the head moves forward and immediately after that the whole body moves backward.

    I’ve seen so many odd things happen when a high-velocity bullet hits a body that I am inclined to simply discount the visible behavior in the Zapruder film as being possible, and leave it at that.

    I.e. “He’s dead, Jim.”

    • Replies: @MacNucc11
    , @j2
  321. MacNucc11 says:
    @manorchurch

    Interesting. Where have you seen bodies hit by high velocity bullet? Was Oswald’s weapon considered high velocity?

    • Replies: @manorchurch
  322. j2 says:
    @manorchurch

    I count from Dictabelt (which does agree with the Zapruder film) 4+1 shots. Four shots can be heard (seen in the analyzer that is) and the last is so close to the fourth that I just assume it. It would be the shot to the head from the front, but let us forget it. Thus, 4 shots but 3 shells. Three of the shots are loud and have enough time between them to be shot by Oswald. One is too close to another shot and it is not as loud, looks like another gun. All 4 have correspondence in the film. So, more than one shooter. Anyway you want it, Oswald was not the lone shooter.

    • Replies: @manorchurch
  323. Iris says:
    @Sean

    “The US gave them nuclear technology “

    This is not accurate. Israel got nuclear technology from France.

    • Replies: @manorchurch
    , @Sean
  324. @j2

    Oswald was not the lone shooter.

    Maybe, maybe not. What difference does that make in 2018?

    All I said was that the shooting “feat” has been duplicated more than once. Keep in mind that I have no position with regard to number of shooters for Kennedy assassinations. How would I know, and at this point in time, what difference does it make? Is the US going to nuke Israel? Of course not. The US does what Israel says, period. When anyone has a surefire method to reverse Israel’s influence, trot it out. The Kennedy assassinations being Israel’s actions ain’t it, believe me.

    • Replies: @Sparkon
  325. @MacNucc11

    Where have you seen bodies hit by high velocity bullet? Was Oswald’s weapon considered high velocity?

    Still-shooting. Woodchucks, prairie dogs, coyotes, deer, elk. 6mm, 7mm, .243, .308, .30-06, .223, .270, .338 and a few others. Yes, all 6.5mm rifle cartridges are high-vels.

    • Replies: @MacNucc11
  326. @Iris

    This is not accurate. Israel got nuclear technology from France.

    And Pollard, to name just one of many. The US government and military is infested with Israel-sympathizers and spies.

    • Replies: @Iris
  327. Iris says:
    @manorchurch

    “The US government and military is infested with Israel-sympathizers and spies.”

    Unfortunately, the same can be said of the French and British governments.

    The French secretly agreed to give nuclear technology to Israel in 1957, after having been humiliated by the US and the USSR in the Suez crisis. They wanted to get at Egypt’s President Nasser, who was supporting independence wars in France’s North African colonies.

  328. renfro says:
    @Patsy Klein

    Dear Klein……..I understand how your nose is out of joint over the CIA firing a jew .

    But using an article written by the guy who clamed Sandy Hook was a hoax to discredit the CIA’s firing of a Jew is hysterical…..rotflmao!

    Ex-FAU prof Tracy tries to walk back attack on Sandy Hook parents

    https://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/…prof…/sOmKD91aRT9ktPRLDcHuFP/

    Dec 1, 2017 – Fired FAU professor James Tracy says he was distraught when he wrote 2015 letter to editor saying Sandy Hook parents profited from ‘fake….

    • Replies: @Patsy Klein
    , @renfro
  329. @MacNucc11

    There are photographs of people in front of the school book depository pointing upwards at the building immediately after the shooting. I believe there was a triangulation of fire from the culvert near the overpass, the grassy knoll and from the depository, probably on the roof to gain a position shooting over the trees. I agree it is very doubtful that LHO even fired a shot as witnesses place him in the canteen calmly drinking a soda. I’ve also seen pictures of a man, said to be HW Bush, standing immediately outside the building at the very same time.

  330. Sparkon says:
    @manorchurch

    All I said was that the shooting “feat” has been duplicated more than once.

    No it hasn’t; not with the pos Manlicher-Carcano falsely linked to Oswald, and identified as the murder weapon after the Mauser was disappeared. I have already shown upstream that tests showed the M-C’s sight was so far out of alignment, the weapon could not be aimed properly, nor could the misalignment be corrected.

    The experts from the US Army and the FBI who had tested the rifle [sic] discovered that it was actually not usable in its original state:

    By 1978, the weapon couldn’t be fired at all.

    So no, you’re wrong. The so-called “feat” has never been duplicated using the alleged murder weapon, the very poor condition of which proves it couldn’t have been used to kill Pres.. Kennedy as alleged.

    Remember, the carbine found on the 6th floor of the TSBD was initially identified as a Mauser by several Dallas officers, but the 3 neatly laid out cartridges found by Patrolman Roger Craig, turned out to have been fired by the M-C, so the Mauser was replaced by the Manlicher-Carcano with the wonky sight, and all the cops but Roger Craig changed their stories.

    What difference does that make in 2018?

    There is no statue of limitations on murder, or treason.

    Somehow, the idea that cowboys can get away with murdering the President of the United States doesn’t sit too well with me, even after all these years.

    • Replies: @ians
    , @manorchurch
    , @renfro
  331. ohmy says:

    I love the internet. This year we are hearing more about the Kennedy assassinations than in the previous 55 years. It will only get worse for those fond of working in the dark. Good article. How about a follow up?

    • Replies: @Mike P
  332. ians says:
    @NoseytheDuke

    There was probably also a shooter in the Daltex building who would have been responsible for the low velocity shot which hit JFK in the back, but only penetrated a few inches.

    • Replies: @j2
  333. ians says:
    @Sparkon

    Thanks for your thoughtful, insightful contributions to this thread. It’s a relief to read facts instead of the unsupported bs that several have blown out their ass. It’s always a puzzle to me why people who have no knowledge of an event would willingly choose to display their fathomless ignorance to the world.

  334. @Hapalong Cassidy

    Robert probably thought about the mafia, or, to be precise, Jimmy Hoffa in particular, as I mentionned. It was conceivable then. But today, after 50 years, we have to ask, not only the question: who had to power to kill Kennedy? Anybody could have pulled the trigger, and whoever masterminded the plot could hire Sicilian, Cuban, Corsican, or whatever mobster on the market. The quesiton today is: Who had the power to ensure a 50 year cover-up (in government and in media) of such magnitude? Not the mafia. Now if we are talking about the Jewish Mafia, which included Murder Inc. with Benjamin Siegelbaum and Mickey Cohen, then of course. As I mentionned, George De Mohrenschildt believed the “Jewish mafia” was after him…
    About Joe Kennedy’s ties with the Sicilian mafia during the prohibition, perhaps, but I don’t see much evidence.
    Generally speaking, I think the case against the mafia is part of the constant smoke screen to divert attention: “MOBSTERS LINKED TO JFK DEATH,” ran a Washington Post headline in 1977, after the HSCA report was released.

  335. @renfro

    When I say “the CIA”, I mean a small gang of CIA insiders devoted to the Cuban exiles’s causes, not the CIA (headed at the time by John McCone, a Kennedy man). But I have no confidence in the Gary Wean thesis, so I didn’t mention it in the article. It is just, in my mind an possibility. But perhaps you are right. The thing is that CIA had to be involved in some degree in order to be prevented to investigate.

    • Replies: @renfro
  336. @renfro

    Annd, Renfro runs like the wind away from the facts sitting there in black and white that show CIA has unique capacity to lie like a rug and conceal its universal-jurisdiction crimes. In a panic, Renfro pulls a memo from the files at Langley’s ad hominem branch and hey, that’s good enough for government work. Whew!

    Oh no, here they are again! Nasty crazy facts!

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-cia-and-the-media-50-facts-the-world-needs-to-know/5471956

    Renfro, why don’t you pull para 2(c) out of CIA memo 1035-960 again, and explain to us how nobody could keep a big secret like institutionalized CIA impunity for coup de main? That would work.

  337. j2 says:
    @ians

    I identified a low velocity or silencer shot from the Dictabelt. When was your shot compared to the other shots?

    • Replies: @ians
  338. Mike P says:
    @ohmy

    I love the internet.

    Enjoy it while you can.

    • Replies: @j2
  339. j2 says:
    @Mike P

    Mike P, you know exactly as well as I do that in reality we have all the power and (they, whoever they be) have very little real power. We just could do (almost) whatever, and it is so whatever people say.

  340. ians says:
    @j2

    I believe it would have been after JFK suffered the throat wound, before Connelly was hit, and before the fatal head shot to JFK. The angle of entrance to the back wound would suggest it came from one of the lower floors of the Daltex building.

  341. @Sparkon

    No it hasn’t; not with the pos Manlicher-Carcano falsely linked to Oswald, and identified as the murder weapon after the Mauser was disappeared.

    Ah, so you wish to retroactively impose conditions that cannot be met? Okay, you’re just another wackadoodle. Par for the course, and after a year of using Unz’s website, I for sure should know better than to engage one of the conspiracy theorists. You guys bore the absolute hell outame.

    Much has been made of the stickiness of the Carcano’s action. I have only one thing to say about that: Oswald was a former Marine. If there’s one thing I am 100% certain of, it’s that for any rifle Oswald would have used, he would have made damn sure the action was smooth and the trigger crisp. Marines are freaks about that sort of thing.

    • Replies: @MacNucc11
  342. MacNucc11 says:
    @manorchurch

    “Marines are freaks about that sort of thing.”
    Yeah, maybe if they were actually going to shoot the gun which he did not and was not. So that is why he never made sure of anything regarding the gun.

    • Replies: @manorchurch
  343. MacNucc11 says:
    @NoseytheDuke

    But then how hard would it be to get a few people pointing up in a photo? I always ask why it is we have these photos. Unless they were in the picture of the limo then I always consider the possibility that the photo exists for the very reason to point in the wrong direction. If they are not in the picture of the limo then it is a little suspicious a photographer would be taking pictures of anything else at the time. But even if they are the people pointing could be part of the conspiracy. The possibility exists that the photographer could be as well.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  344. MacNucc11 says:
    @manorchurch

    Great, that means you would also be knowledgeable about the forensics of what a particular head shot looks like to a trained forensics expert and that they would be able to identify the direction of the bullet definitively, as they did at the hospital in Dallas.

    • Replies: @manorchurch
    , @JamesinNM
  345. Sean says:
    @ians

    Seems a little silly to equip the patsy with such defective rifle as is being asserted, and leave it to be tested, considering the other preparations and post hoc staging were fiendishly thorough. The tin foil hat brigade have a fantasy answer for everything real.

    • Replies: @ians
    , @ploni almoni
  346. ians says:

    If you’re so bored, why not butt out instead of parading the depths of your ignorance of the subject and lobbing embarrassingly childish insults at those that display much greater knowledge and insight of the subject?
    Where is your evidence that Oswald possessed such a weapon, that he took it to the Depository and that he, according to your evidence-free assertion, would have taken good care of it.
    It’s already been well established in previous posts that it needed significant adjustments before tests on it could be performed.

  347. ians says:
    @Sean

    Your extremely odd post at 6.51 on the 5th June seriously reads like you missed your daily meds dose.
    Despite the crummy condition of the weapon, was any of its defects made plain in the aftermath? No.

    • Replies: @Sean
  348. Sean says:
    @Iris

    The idea that it came as any surprise to the US leadership that Israel had a nuclear weapons reactor is preposterous. Eisenhower gave Israel a nuclear reactor in 1955, which was years before Israel made a deal with France to build a larger more capable weapons- making reactor. The U2 flights detected the massive excavations in the Negev in 1958 for the French reactor, which did not become operational until the early 60′s. The US knew all about and in fact had fostered and facilitated an Israeli nuclear program aimed at their own bomb. America could hardly build Israel a weapons reactor so it left that step to France acting as a US proxy.

    The US would not first-use nuclear weapons, and its allies such as Britain, France and Israel having their own suits America because the nuclear option to an attack on the ally has more credibility if the ally has control of its own nukes. Dissimulating denials for international consumption notwithstanding, America’s denials of guilty knowledge about Israelis nuclear nuclear bomb facilities have no plausibility or credibility whatsoever. America was also vehement that it was unaware of India’s nuclear weapons program. India is an ally against China of course. The primacy of foreign policy and realpolitik explains the world as it is, though not when seen through a tinfoil hat

  349. @MacNucc11

    you would also be knowledgeable about the forensics of what a particular head shot looks like to a trained forensics expert and that they would be able to identify the direction of the bullet definitively

    For a head shot? Not necessarily.

    Are you looking for a front shot? Sounds like it. There is no evidence, nor indication, in any of the photographs released, that any of the bullets came from the front. Zero.

    • Replies: @MacNucc11
    , @NoseytheDuke
  350. @MacNucc11

    “Marines are freaks about that sort of thing.”
    Yeah, maybe if they were actually going to shoot the gun which he did not and was not. So that is why he never made sure of anything regarding the gun.

    Entirely possible. I repeat: despite certain doofusses claiming that the presumed performance of the shooter could not be duplicated, it has been. Many times. Is it possible with a Mannlicher-Carcano of the presumed model? Yes, indeed. Was the shooting actually done with the rifle presented? Don’t know.

  351. Sean says:
    @ians

    Lee Harvey Oswald was only 24 years old when he died. Can you remember the energy and drive you had at 24 ?; when you ploughed through all obstacles and difficulties and no sooner had set your mind to do something than it was accomplished as if by magic.

    The gun maybe could not be operated as fast as the Warren Comission said, but Kennedy was not either killed within six seconds of opening fire by Oswald or not by him at all. Some of what people like you have said have said was true but if as is now thought there were a missed shot and Oswald was firing for longer no anomaly remains. He had a functioning high velocity weapon with extra powered cartridges, and as a tough young Texan ex-Marine he was about the last person on earth you would want trying to shoot at you with it.

    He waited until the motorcade passed to give himself multiple shots and then started shooting, the secret service were inattentive , and he got Kennedy in the neck immobilizing him. Most crucially the driver was old; he cowered in fear, inadvertently halting the car. As can be seen above Oswald’s final shot was the easiest because of his cunning strategy of shooting at the back of the departing motorcade. Oswald’s money shot knocked Kennedy’s head forward 3 inches and blasted his brains forward and up out of the EXIT wound. Yes, it took longer to accomplish the shooting than 6 seconds, but so what–it accomplished the task.

    • Replies: @MacNucc11
  352. El Dato says:

    If Shiran was hypnotized (does that even work reliably? I have never heard that it does. Sure it can be used to implant false memories but perform “second persona” control over a week sounds dicey) — why did he not just gun down Kennedy appropriately? Why have another shooter behind Kennedy who needs to blow his brains out in full sight? Why are twelve bullets unloaded like in a Tarantino movie?

    This is all not too convincing.

    The conspiracy is too complex.

    • Replies: @MacNucc11
  353. renfro says:
    @renfro

    There is no cure for stupid Klein…..so whatever I would offer can not cure you.

  354. MacNucc11 says:
    @manorchurch

    I am referring here to the medical examiners who viewed the body and all concurred. Shot from the front, exit wound out the back. I am suggesting that you would as well be able to tell where the bullets entered looking at the actual dead animals you shot.

    • Replies: @manorchurch
  355. MacNucc11 says:
    @El Dato

    I think somehow Sirhan is drugged, or mind controlled. I don’t think he could be relied on to hit a target, possibly he is firing blanks, maybe some live bullets. He seems an unlikely suspect to me because I don’t buy his motive. There would be much better targets than RFK.

  356. MacNucc11 says:
    @NoseytheDuke

    Of course a legitimate question is, if Oswald was not either the shooter or one of a number of shooters, what is he doing there? I believe like Michael Collins Piper does that Oswald believed he would make a failed false flag attack on the president that would be blamed on Castro. He was double crossed and hung out to dry when the actual shooters killed Kennedy. He knew something was up when they immediately started pointing the finger at him when he fired no shots. Oswald was a government asset through and through and he absolutely had some role to play there. He was certainly not an innocent bystander. I do not believe that he fired a single shot.

  357. MacNucc11 says:
    @Sean

    Even assuming this is possible, which I am not conceding. The whole timeline and sequence of events that followed was extremely suspicious. They were onto Oswald immediately. Why does he run? If he is an ideologue nut like the lone nutters believe then you go down fighting and take as many of the enemy with you. Why does he claim to be a patsy? Is that some tough Texan Marine way to act? I would expect him to man up and air his views to all. Take credit for his heroic (in his nut mind) act. Who claims to be a patsy in such a situation? I will tell you who, one who was set up and knows it.

    • Replies: @Cold N. Holefield
    , @Sean
  358. renfro says:
    @Laurent Guyénot

    I agree there are ‘rouge agents’ in the CIA and other agencies that run ‘off the books’ ops…we have seen that revealed in the expose of the Jew who disappeared in Iran being the off the books op of two agents within the CIA and also the case of the Jew held in Cuba ‘supposedly ‘ working for the USAID as a independent contractor.

    Here are the two cases to refresh your memory….there is actually more to both these cases than is shown in these short artcles.

    The real story behind Alan Gross’s work in Cuba

    http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/international/230794-the-real-story-behind-alan-grosss-work-in-cuba

    Report: American Jew who vanished in Iran was on rogue CIA mission

    https://www.crescentcityjewishnews.com/report-american-jew-who-vanished-in-iran-was-on-rogue-cia-mission/

    My point being that eventually or “usually’ the real story comes out….and the real story 9 xs out of 10 points to ‘outside’ influences using some inside contact to lure someone inside the CIA or whatever agency into their scheme as in these cases.

    As for:

    The thing is that CIA had to be involved in some degree in order to be prevented to investigate

    Its possible that someone(s) within the CIA ditched some incriminating info ….BUT given that CIA agents live and breath on suspicion of everything and that the agency snoops on even their own agents I find it highly, highly improbable that it wouldn’t have been noticed and spilled by now.
    I think congress has more power over the CIA than you think…..how many times has congress shut down CIA and FBI investigations?….especially concerning Israel or Jews. Too many to count.

    My opinions arent criticism of your article or reasoning btw…I thought it very good on whole.

    • Replies: @Laurent Guyénot
  359. @Sean

    Where would we be if we could not count on the gullibility of the public, eh Sean?

  360. MacNucc11 says:

    Then of course there is the curious person of Jack Ruby. Why would this man risk everything he has to kill someone who is likely as good as dead anyway? Because Oswald could not have his day in court and expose the perpetrators. Most likely the scenario that was supposed to play out was that Oswald was to be killed by the Dallas police with no one hearing a word from him. When Oswald killed the policeman who was the intended hit man and ended up in custody instead of dead they had to scramble and find another way to get rid of Oswald without him ever being allowed to talk to the authorities.
    This is the only thing that makes sense. Ruby is no fanatic looking to make a name for himself. He has no higher motives of justice. Oswald is in police custody for the crime of killing a president. He is not going anywhere and he will likely be killed or spend his life behind bars. It only makes sense that he is silencing Oswald for some reason. As a gangster himself Ruby would view Oswald dispassionately as just another hit man. The silly lone nutter community have to attribute some form of noble self sacrificing characteristic to this man that only makes sense in their mind numbed unthinking states.

  361. Josecanuc says:

    
    “It is a magnificent feeling to recognize the unity of a complex of phenomena which appear to be things quite apart from the direct visible truth.” Einstein

    “We find the defendants incredibly guilty.” The Jury foreman returning the verdict in the movie The Producers – Mel Brooks

  362. @MacNucc11

    I am referring here to the medical examiners who viewed the body and all concurred. Shot from the front, exit wound out the back.

    I have no idea where you got your “information”, but in all my reading ref the JFK assassination, I have yet to come across any official notice of such “medical examiner” testimony.

    Here’s another one for you to deny vehemently — go find a trained sniper, and show him an elevation drawing of the book depository, the road, the grassy knoll. Ask him if he would have set up on the grassy knoll.

    Answer: Fuck, no. Oh, fuck no.

    • Replies: @MacNucc11
    , @Anonymous
  363. @MacNucc11

    Come on, Mac, haven’t you heard? Ruby had a hard-on for JFK. He was jealous of Marilyn Monroe because he always wanted to be the one to sing Happy Birthday Mr. President. He killed Oswald because Oswald murdered his one and only True Love.

    Without further adieu, I give you Jack Ruby in drag.

    Mr. President, the LATE Marilyn Monroe.

    Rather prescient, Lawford was with that statement.

    • Replies: @MacNucc11
  364. @MacNucc11

    Excellent response. I have always contended the very same thing. He would have been proud of his deed and celebrated it rather than running with his tail between his legs and claiming he was a patsy.

  365. If we’re to believe Sean and his reasoning, Marines would have been shooting at Barack Obama every day of his presidency. Don’t you guys remember how you were when you were 24. Remember how we all wanted to assassinate the president when we were 24? I do. I was going to assassinate Reagan but Hinckley beat me to it and it would have been too obvious thereafter because they would have been expecting it so I assassinated a rabbit I named Ronald instead. It’s not the same of course. A rabbit is a poor facsimile, but still, we do as we must do to ventilate our urges. 24 passed and the compulsion to assassinate the POTUS did too. It’s a diminutive window of opportunity and it will close quickly if you don’t act quickly. Carpe Diem, I always say.

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  366. renfro says:
    @Sparkon

    No it hasn’t; not with the pos Manlicher-Carcano falsely linked to Oswald, and identified as the murder weapon after the Mauser was disappeared. I have already shown upstream that tests showed the M-C’s sight was so far out of alignment, the weapon could not be aimed properly, nor could the misalignment be corrected

    Damn right it hasnt—manorchurch is totally ignorant.

    This is the Senate review of those involved in the Warren Commission

    TESTIMONY OF WESLEY LIEBELER – Kennedy Assassination
    mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/hsclieb.htm
    Mr. Leibeler, basically what we want to do is ask you some questions about the manner in which the Warren Commission’s investigation was conducted

    (the relevant part on duplicating the shooting….They couldn’t. )

    [MORE]

    14. As I read through the section on rifle capability it appears that 15 different sets of three shots were fired by supposedly expert riflemen of the FBI and other places. According to my calculations those 15 sets of shots took a total of 93.8 seconds to be fired. The average of all 15 is a little over 6.2 seconds. Assuming that time is calculated commencing with the firing of the first shot, that means the average time it took to fire the two remaining shots was about 6.2 seconds. That comes to about 3.1 seconds for each shot, not counting the time consumed by the actual firing, which would not be very much. I recall that chapter 3 said that the minimum time that had to elapse between shots was 2.25 seconds, which is pretty close to the one set of fast shots fired by Frazier of the FBI. The conclusion indicates that Oswald had the capability to fire three shots with two hits in from 4.8 to 5.6 seconds. Of the 15 sets of 3 shots described above. only 3 were fired within 4.8 seconds. A total of five sets, including the three just mentioned were fired within a total of 5.6 seconds. The conclusion at its most extreme states that Oswald could fire faster than the Commission experts fired in 12 of their 15 tries and that in any event he could fire faster than the experts did in 10 of their 15 tries. If we are going to set forth material such as this, I think we should set forth some information on how much training and how much shooting the experts had and did as a whole. The readers could then have something on which to base their judgments concerning the relative abilities of the apparently slow firing experts used by the Commission and the ability of Lee Harvey Oswald.
    15. The problems raised by the above analyses should be met at some point in the text of the report. The figure of 2.25 as a minimum firing time for each shot used throughout chapter 3. The present discussion of rifle capability shows that expert riflemen could not fire the assassination weapon that fast. Only one of the experts managed to do so, and his shots, like those of the other FBI experts, were high and to the right of the target. The fact is that most of the experts were much more proficient with a rifle than Oswald could ever be expected to be, and the record indicates that fact, according to my recollection of the response of one of the experts to a question by Mr. McCloy asking for a comparison of an NRA master marksman to a Marine Corps sharpshooter.
    16. The present section on rifle capability fails to set forth material in the record tending to indicate that Oswald was not a good shot and that he was not interested in his rifle while in the Marine Corps. It does not set forth material indicating that a telescopic sight must be tested and sighted in after a period of nonuse before it can be expected to be accurate. That problem is emphasized by the fact that the FBI actually found that there was a defect in the scene which caused the rifle to fire high and to the right. In spite of the above the present section takes only part of the material in the record to show that Oswald was a good shot and that he was interested in rifles. I submit that the testimony Delgado that Oswald was not interested in his rifle while in the Marines is at least as probative as Alba’s testimony that Oswald came into his garage to read rifle–and hunting–magazines. To put it bluntly that sort of selection from the record could seriously affect the integrity and credibility of the entire report.
    17. It seems to me that the most honest and the most sensible thing to do the present state of the record on Oswald’s rifle capability would be to write a very short section indicating that there is testimony on both sides of several issues. The Commission could then conclude that the best evidence that Oswald could fire his rifle as fast as he did and hit the target is the fact that he did so. It may have been pure luck. It probably was to a very great extent. But it happened. He would have had to have been lucky to hit as he did if he had only 4.8 seconds to fire the shots. Why don’t we admit instead of reaching and using only part of the record to support the propositions presently set forth in the galleys. Those conclusions will never be accepted by expert persons anyway.”

    Not only did the sharp shooters the commission called on fail…..two renown Snipers , Carlos (the legend) Hathcock at Quantico and Craig Roberts could not duplicate it with the same type rifle either. …the fired bullets would not match the bullet hits.

    “Let me tell you what we did at Quantico. We reconstructed the whole thing: the angle, the range, the moving target, the time limit, the obstacles, everything. I don’t know how many times we tried it, but we couldn’t duplicate what the Warren Commission said Oswald did”.

    &dq=carlos+Hathcock+reconstructed+the+assassination+at+Quantico&source=bl&ots=5Yxf45l3PJ&sig=xpYoTymJLrPhxZxOFcYV0rIWWVE&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjg0dixisDbAhUQS60KHUNhCVAQ6AEITTAG#v=onepage&q=carlos%20Hathcock%20reconstructed%20the%20assassination%20at%20Quantico&f=false

  367. @Cold N. Holefield

    Yeah, the whole 24 thing was just ridiculous. Pretty much nails him as some sort of plant.

  368. JamesinNM says:

    Did the Jesuits kill Lincoln?

  369. JamesinNM says:
    @MacNucc11

    Multiple shooters, including one in storm sewer where car passed.

  370. @MacNucc11

    People’s attention would be instantly be drawn towards the direction from where the shots came from. Those closer to the grassy knoll pointed at the grass knoll (which is possibly why some frames from the Zapruder film have never been released) while those closer to the depository pointed upwards towards it. I can’t recall anything about the culvert near the overpass except that a motorcycle cop’s radio was faulty with the broadcast button stuck open and it recorded, I think 5 or 6 shots.

    • Replies: @MacNucc11
  371. @manorchurch

    There is! The Lincoln required a windshield replacement due to being penetrated by a bullet from the front. May I suggest that you due some broad in-depth research on a given subject before you attempt to debunk anything? It may work for you on some other sites but here you just come across as a liar or a fool.

    • Replies: @manorchurch
  372. There is! The Lincoln required a windshield replacement due to being penetrated by a bullet from the front. May I suggest that you due some broad in-depth research on a given subject before you attempt to debunk anything? It may work for you on some other sites but here you just come across as a liar or a fool.

    Listen up, fuckwad!

    I said a Mannlicher-Carcano 6.5mm could be operated fast enough and accurately enough to make the shots. It can, and such has been amply demonstrated by several people.

    No, the limousine windshield was not replaced because of bullet impact from the front. A high-vel bullet will shatter a windshield, leaving no indication of where it came from. AND the bullet will slow down and deflect, AND it will usually fragment from the impact. NOBODY who knows jack shit about firearms would EVER try to place a shot through a windshield. That’s Hollywood stuff, not real life.

    JFK autopsy photographs were available, or were for several years. The head shot was from the back; the trapezius shot was from the back. Here’s a little mnemonic for you, moron: high-vel bullet make little hole going in, big hole coming out. Clearly, both wounds on JFK were from the back.

    If you have other verified photographs, trot ‘em out.

    Peddle your bullshit elsewhere.

  373. ians says:

    Specifically for any ignoramus who still claims there were no shots from the front. A junior doctor at Parkland – Dr Crenshaw – who was present in the theatre where JFK was taken, wrote a book in the early ‘90s. He is quite adamant, as we’re all the others who were interviewed on film that day, that the fatal shot had exited the rear of Kennedy’s head. That part was blasted out. These are Dallas doctors who encountered gunshot victims daily.
    There has been a great deal of research on the supposed autopsy photos. It is abundantly clear they are fakes, particularly in the region of the back of the skull, and bear no relation to what was observed at Parkland.
    The area behind the fence at the knoll is a prime location. The area at the fence has trees and foliage which provide some cover. Suspicious individuals were witnessed there who left immediately. One is able to depart the scene quickly in a vehicle, there were no spectators there, fake Secret Service agents were also encountered there who stopped a policeman and the crowd from going any further.
    The bizarre claim that Oswald would wait until the car was to speed away from Dealey Plaza because he feared return fire if he made the easiest shot as the limo approached, fails to recognise that at the time the shooters were firing, cars containing Secret Service personnel were making the turn at the Depository.
    If, as others have said, Oswald wanted to do it because he was a bitter man, a godless Commie or whatever bs they’re pushing, why not crow about his feat, revel in the attention? Instead, he desperately requests someone to come forward to clear him. Unfortunately for Oswald, he was being left to hang out to dry until they could silence him.
    Ruby had the assistance of some of the utterly corrupt Dallas police to enter the area and hid behind one of the senior detectives before leaping out to kill Oswald.

    • Replies: @TS/SCI
  374. anarchyst says:

    I read the “Warren Commission Report on Assassinations” in its entirety, at the tender age of fifteen, and even then thought to myself “what a crock of sh!t”.

  375. TS/SCI says:
    @ians

    And Ruby was CIA. So factor that in to evaluate all the people yelling Ruby Jew JewRuby Jew Jew like it proves something.

    https://kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/gunrunner-ruby-and-the-cia

    That CIA smell is so rank it makes your eyes water. CIA is busted and they’re panicking. They’ll blame space aliens next.

  376. MacNucc11 says:
    @NoseytheDuke

    That very well may be but I think in an area with many tall buildings around you will get echo that will make it very hard for anyone to determine where bullets are coming from. Also I think it maybe a little odd if in fact someone thinks bullets are being fired from a certain direction to stand and point. Wouldn’t your first instinct be to take cover?

  377. MacNucc11 says:
    @Cold N. Holefield

    Thank you for finally establishing some kind of real motive for this guy. Soon to be adopted as total fact by lone nutters everywhere.

  378. MacNucc11 says:
    @manorchurch

    Well thanks for the expletive laced straw man argument. No one has ever stated that the shooter set up on the grassy knoll. Witnesses claim to have heard shots fired from the direction of the grassy knoll. Personally I believe they would have been set up in a building beyond that allowing them to fire at the limo as it approached. If shots came from behind it would make sense they would look for a more level shot with a larger window of opportunity.

    • Replies: @manorchurch
  379. MacNucc11 says:
    @Sean

    Don’t knock the pot. They think it can help you with your alzheimers.

    • Replies: @Sean
  380. Sean says:
    @MacNucc11

    He may not have expected to survive hundred of armed officers and agents in the bodyguard and escort returning fire at him, but he shot that “dumb cop” like a true Texan desperado. Why does he run on finding himself still alive?, to get across the border to the consulate then hopefully on to Cuba and do their women just as he had in Russia. Oswald was a hard charging Cold Warrior who did every woman he could, much like Kennedy. Oswald was better at being an assassin than Kennedy was at being president. Their IQs were comparable as well.

  381. Sean says:
    @MacNucc11

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07pj2pw

    BBC health reporter James Gallagher explores the increasing body of evidence that a dysfunctional immune system is responsible for the depression or psychotic illness experienced by hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions, of people in the UK. James talks to the psychiatrists investigating this new understanding of mental illness and to people who may benefit from treatments aimed at the immune systems rather than their brain cells.

    Take your mommy’s advice– some exercise in the fresh air–instead of getting stoned and increasingly off the wall (of her basement).

  382. MacNucc11 says:
    @Sean

    Let me help you out here, disregarding all the nonsensical jibberish about getting ass, etc. He absolutely did not expect hundreds of security returning fire at him, because he was not firing at anyone. People were clueless as to where shots were fired from, because the shots ended. Have you every heard anything about the Kennedy assassination? That was what this post was referring to as was the article. My contention is a lone nut does not stop firing bullets, sneak away, initially avoid capture and then deny having done anything. Most are either taken down by the police or take their own lives.

    • Replies: @Sean
  383. @MacNucc11

    Well thanks for the expletive laced straw man argument.

    Certainly, my pleasure.

    I have yet to state that Oswald was the lone assassin. Personally, I am inclined to believe Oswald was a fall-guy. What with his Russia trip, Russian wife and newly-acquired Carcano, an ideal fall-guy. Maybe the real kill-team used him as an errand boy, or for access to the Texas Book Depository. Obviously, he knew someone or something that required Ruby to kill him before he could really start talking.

    As for actual events on the ground, the grassy knoll is a no-no. Too exposed, and a bad angle for risking sun-glare off glass. The clean shot is from the building, not the ground. There is some elevation on the knoll, yes. That helps, but does not make it a good candidate. If you have access to the building, you use the building. It’s that simple.

    Maybe there were two shooters in the building. That would account for a rate of fire just at the edge of capability of an experienced shooter.

    There is no evidence any shots hit JFK from the front. Zero. Nada. Zip. Zilch. Evidence! — not the opinion of some junior doctor in the gallery.

    When there’s serious conspiracy nutjobbers around, they are convinced. There is no changing their minds. They are certain of absolute facts that experts find ridiculous. Everything else must be a fake. Etc, etc, etc.

    In my honest opinion, I see no international conspiracy, and no CIA. I think the Dallas police killed him, frankly. Friends of Johnson.

    • Replies: @ians
  384. ians says:
    @manorchurch

    ‘some junior doctor in the gallery’. If, by chance, you’re referring to Crenshaw, then he was at the head of the table Kennedy was laid out on and in prime position to see the gaping hole at the back of the head. There’s a montage of the Dallas doctors all putting their hands to the rear of their heads to show the damaged area.
    There was a viewing gallery in Washington where the autopsy took place.
    Behind the fence at the knoll is an excellent spot to shoot from and activity was noted there at the time of the assassination.

    • Replies: @manorchurch
    , @Anon
  385. @ians

    If, by chance, you’re referring to Crenshaw, then he was at the head of the table Kennedy was laid out on and in prime position to see the gaping hole at the back of the head.

    Head shots get squirrelly sometimes. Bone thickness varies, sutures vary, pressures in the skull vary. IMO, doctor opinions notwithstanding, the Zapruder film is definitive as regards the fatal shot being from the back.

    For that matter, why was Oswald chasing all over Dallas, changing buses, walking a mile to the next busstop, etc.? Why did he pull out a .38 and shoot Tippit four times? Just feeling cranky?

  386. Sean says:
    @MacNucc11

    The person who gave him a lift to work saw he had a long package with him, his palm print was later found on the rifle. he was seen loitering in the window nervously and the description police got was possibly why Tippet stopped him in the street People in the window below the one he fired from clearly heard the the earsplitting racket just above, and the muzzle blast knocked dust down on them.

    Marine training does not have the objective of staying alone and isolated in a position where you are going to be surrounded. Multiple armed men converged on the book depository because that was where the shooting, it seemed to them, had come from He was confronted by a cop in the canteen, and then left the building by a back exits the cops had not secured, went and got a revolver from home before going back out into the empty streets, where he showed formidable resolution when stopped by instantly killing Tippet . And then reloading. He was quite possibly going to try for the border, not give himself up. Nothing about Oswald’s behavior was that of an innocent man. His wife was apparently dubbed “Hot Pants” by the FBI agents assigned to guard her. Casto used to have multiple women a day, different ones each time, while the secret service agents said they would never have left bad back Jack with alone with their wife and daughter.

    Like most most young, and not so young, men, was motivated by a desire to be a hero because that would win him women. He had had luck with women in one communist country, and his desire to use Cuba for something like the extended rutting season he’d enjoyed in Russia seems a motive. In his mind, Oswald was defending Casto, and in that he succeeded. Bobby’s assassination was not coincidental, but the long arm of Oswald from beyond the grave. He inspired Siran (or Thane Caesar or whoever else had lied about owning a .22) for once one Kennedy was dead killing another became less unthinkable.

    You will be telling me next that the CIA killed Indira Gandhi for lying about India’s development of a Nuclear weapon, because only Israel is allowed to. Apart from Muslim Pakistan of course. Though Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq was killed by the CIA/ Mossad too , eh?

    The US has no problem at all with its allies such as Israel having nuclear weapons and it really is very gullible to take official assertions to the contrary at face value.

    • Replies: @MacNucc11
    , @MacNucc11
  387. ians says:

    He knew he’d been dropped in it, so was heading to the theatre to meet a contact. Funnily enough, Tippett spent several minutes rushing about, clearly trying to find someone just after the assassination. The time Tippett was shot precludes Oswald from being the killer. The Zapruder film shows JFK being violently propelled backward.

  388. Sean says:
    @ians

    Funnily enough, Tippett spent several minutes rushing about, clearly trying to find someone just after the assassination.

    Yes, and he underestimated that someone (who happened to be Oswald) as so many people have since.

  389. @ians

    The Zapruder film shows JFK being violently propelled backward.

    No, it does not. The body remains in much the same vertical position. There is a retro action as brain and blood spew forward from the exit wound — plus there is some reflex kick from the neck muscles.

    This behavior has been observed many times with various substitutes having soft insides and hard outsides. The object moves backward — every time. It appears to be an effect of the small surface area of bullet on contact, which then mushrooms, making a large exit hole, from which blood and brain gushes, pushing head backwards.

    Well-known effect.

    If I shoot a rabbit, for example, and the bullet hits bone, the rabbit is typically thrown in the direction of bullet travel. That because the skeleton absorbs energy from the bone that is hit, which energy is carried into the rest of the bone structure.

    If I hit a rabbit in the abdominal area, particularly if it’s at an angle, or if the rabbit has a full stomach, exiting soft tissue will roll the carcass against the bullet travel direction. A small mammal, hit in the back end with bullet traversing longitudinally, will sometimes spew blood, food and soft tissue forward through the exit wound, such that the carcass will move backwards.

    Something small bullet, lo-vel won’t do that. But, something like a .22 Hornet round under those circumstances can throw the carcass into the air, and it will fall behind its original position.

    Been there, done that.

    • Replies: @Sean
    , @Iris
  390. @ians

    The time Tippett was shot precludes Oswald from being the killer.

    Nope, sure doesn’t. Kennedy was shot at 12:30PM, Tippit at 1:15PM

    And, hey, dude! Give Tippit the recognition of spelling his name right. How can you be a JFK assassination expert if you can’t spell names correctly?

    • Replies: @ians
  391. @NoseytheDuke

    If LHO was in the canteen drinking a soda, then he wasn’t outside the building watching the motorcade (comment 304).

    In any case, for some reason he decided to flee.

    • Replies: @Sparkon
  392. MacNucc11 says:
    @Sean

    Does it seem a little strange the guy gets a lift to work the day he is going to shoot the president? Are marines known for stupidity? If he is going to shoot the president any moron knows you leave the gun there well in advance. Does it make sense that a policeman comes into the depository and only asks about Oswald? Why if they think the killer is there would they not secure the back door?
    All this is the most bizarre nonsense I have ever heard. The gunshot is not going to blow dust or anything down on people. Have you ever fired a gun before? Of course he is seen in the window and carries a gun to work and gets a ride, because he is a patsy. The way that works is you build the case against the guy in advance. That is why he was photographed with the gun, why he was filmed handing out fairness to Cuba. FYI, there are plenty of women in the U.S. and he could have had his pick of the liberal closet commies but I think that is just nutty anyway. I am surprised they did not come forward with some kind of signed statement saying exactly what he intended to do that day. Of course they refined their game with Sirhan Sirhan because they did at least have him write down RFK’s name in a book. Interesting though that someone who gave him a ride there that day saw him carrying a package but no one in the book depository thought that was odd? How would this policeman even know who he was unless it is a setup?

    • Replies: @Sean
  393. MacNucc11 says:
    @Sean

    Ok, you are changing it up now. You stated he feared return fire. Who is going to be returning fire? What fire? Why is he sitting relaxing in the cafeteria minutes after the shooting. Obviously if it is a set up the police know right where to go and who to go after. Everything you have written here proves that. It is the actions of someone who is trying to get caught and others are trying to help. He gets a ride to work with a long package the day he is going to pull off this? Why not bring the package at some other time well in advance, stash it, and oh yeah, don’t get a ride to work? Or better get dropped off two blocks away and say that is where you work and lead police in the wrong direction? How about not leave fingerprints on the gun, hide it better, etc.? This guy had no escape plan because in the plan he was participating in he was told JFK was not getting killed.

  394. @Sean

    No, his head was knocked forward a couple of inches initially

    Yes, I saw. Doggone it, Sean, I’m trying to soft-pedal this as much as possible to save suffering by the froot loops. You can just imagine how traumatic it is to have one’s cherished conspiracies denied.

    • Replies: @MacNucc11
    , @MacNucc11
  395. MacNucc11 says:
    @ians

    I agree, the person Oswald is looking for is his ride out of there to somewhere outside the country. I think shortly after he realized he was being set up to take the fall for the assassination that was only supposed to be a failed assassination attempt.
    He shoots the policeman because he realizes he has been set up and they are bringing him in to take the fall. Meanwhile there was another group, either work independently or with cooperation of Oswald’s that realized this is a prime opportunity to actually do this and already have a fall guy in place.

  396. anarchyst says:

    Contrary to other posts in this article, Lee Harvey Oswald was NOT a sharpshooter, but was a “non-qual” whose score was over 180, but not high enough to qualify for a marksmanship badge.
    It would have been impossible for Oswald to accurately fire three shots in four seconds from an old POS Italian rifle at a moving target. He was a “patsy” (fall guy) to detract attention away from the real shooters. Common sense…

    • Replies: @MacNucc11
    , @manorchurch
  397. Iris says:
    @manorchurch

    ” A small mammal, hit in the back end with bullet traversing longitudinally, ..will move backwards. ”

    What you describe is called “Momentum equation” in Physics; it is a well understood phenomenon.

    To simplify greatly, ignoring gravity, travelling speed and other factors, the momentum (product of Mass timed by Speed) has to remain constant. So because the bullet’s speed remains almost constant at the exit wound, but its mass is increased by the tissues it carries, the body left behind has to go in the opposite direction (backward) so the total momentum remains constant.

    https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantit%C3%A9_de_mouvement

    • Replies: @manorchurch
  398. Milton says:

    I wouldn’t be surprised at all to learn the Zionists were the masterminds behind the killing of the first Catholic President. I won’t use the term “Jews” since the Zionists are not representative of all Jews and are certainly not followers of the Law of Moses. The Zionists are synonymous with “the Baals” that Elijah had to contend with. The Zionists also have a history of killing Western leaders: Lord Moyne and Folke Bernadotte both come to mind. Some of the first Prime Ministers of Israel (Begin, Shamir) were members of the terrorist organizations- the Irgun and Stern gang – that carried out these types of political assassinations. So, the Zionists clearly had the experience and history and as the USS Liberty incident demonstrates, also the audacity to carry out these types of operations against the West. But how did they get the Western Deep State to participate in the assassination as well as the coverup? Answer: Freemasons. The Lodge has a particular hate for Catholics and Freemasons controlled (and still control) the so-called Deep State. Freemasons also have no loyalty to God or Country, only loyalty to the International Lodge. Freemasons aren’t in charge though. They answer to the Synagogue of Satan.

    But it also must be said that JFK as no innocent lamb in this whole affair. I believe God permitted his violent assassination because Kennedy as a professed Christian and practicing Catholic had turned from virtue to vice one too many times in his personal life. As a Christian head of State the bar was set pretty high for him and the following verses from the Old Testament book of Ecclesiasticus come to mind:

    “There are two things which grieve my heart
    and a third arouses my anger:
    a warrior wasting away through poverty,
    intelligent men treated with contempt,
    a man turning back from virtue to sin –
    the Lord marks this man out for a violent death.”

    I believe the assassination was a personal chastisement on JFK as well as the beginning of a minor chastisement on America. There can be no arguing that we have been under a curse since his assassination. His assassination was a demarcation line between a once great America and what has become a decadent, degenerate, and wicked America ruled by laweless men. How will the curse be reversed? Answer: on an individual level, Americans must once against practice virtue and on a societal level, the so-called Deep State must reject the Synagogue of Satan, Freemasonry, and come clean about their role in killing the King. With Trump’s election there was hope he would release the sealed records, thus forcing the Deep State to come clean. But, sadly, the early indications are that Trump was either part of the Deep State all along or has been compromised beyond all repair by them.

    • Replies: @headrick
  399. MacNucc11 says:
    @anarchyst

    Thank you. I mean if they want to tell me he qualified highest, and was a sniper and an assassin then you have something. But again, the guy would get to a place with a good exit, not someplace he would be stuck, especially since he was in fact trying to get away and not go down shooting.

  400. MacNucc11 says:
    @manorchurch

    Well I am certainly not invested either way in which direction he got hit from, only that I know for sure Oswald was set up and the real killers got away.

  401. @anarchyst

    Lee Harvey Oswald was NOT a sharpshooter, but was a “non-qual” whose score was over 180, but not high enough to qualify for a marksmanship badge.

    Wrong. Oswald originally qualified as “marksman”, post boot-camp. For re-qual 2 years later, he shot a 181, falling back to “sharpshooter”. Like a lot of guys who have been out of boot-camp for awhile, it was no big deal.

    It would have been impossible for Oswald to accurately fire three shots in four seconds from an old POS Italian rifle at a moving target.

    Wrong. 6+ seconds. Keep in mind that the Dictabelt recording was faked.

    “Officer H.B. McLain, from whose motorcycle radio the HSCA acoustic experts said the Dictabelt evidence came, has repeatedly stated that he was not yet in Dealey Plaza at the time of the assassination. McLain asked the Committee, “‘If it was my radio on my motorcycle, why did it not record the revving up at high speed plus my siren when we immediately took off for Parkland Hospital?’””

    “In 1982, a panel of twelve scientists appointed by the National Academy of Sciences, including Nobel laureates Norman Ramsey and Luis Alvarez, unanimously concluded that the acoustic evidence submitted to the HSCA was “seriously flawed”, was recorded after the President had been shot, and did not indicate additional gunshots.”

    • Replies: @anarchyst
    , @MacNucc11
  402. @Iris

    What you describe is called “Momentum equation” in Physics; it is a well understood phenomenon.

    Good to know. Thanks.

    Not many people have used rifles on moving, living targets. Unfortunately, they believe they can deduce the effects from what seem to be “natural” and incontestable assumptions. Facts, however, are stubborn things.

    • Replies: @Iris
  403. MacNucc11 says:
    @manorchurch

    But weren’t you just saying that if he is hit in the back then his head would go back? …..so if his head went forward and then back, that means he was hit in the front?

    • Replies: @manorchurch
  404. Sparkon says:
    @James N. Kennett

    If LHO was in the canteen drinking a soda, then he wasn’t outside the building watching the motorcade (comment 304).

    No. You seem to be mixed up. The two events didn’t happen at the same time. Nothing would have prevented Oswald from standing in the TSBD doorway one minute, going up to the lunchroom for a coke the next.

    Oswald was spotted in the lunchroom after Kennedy was shot by Baker and Truly who’d rushed up there, presumably because assassins commonly take refuge in the snack bar, or something, but there he was, coke in hand, cool as a cucumber when this dynamic duo rushed in.

    In a minute or two, Oswald easily could have walked from the entrance of the TSBD up to the 2nd floor lunchroom to get a coke after JFK was shot.

    So no, Oswald’s recorded presence in the lunchroom some minute or two after the assassination does not preclude the possibility that he was photographed standing in the TSBD doorway at the time of the assassination.

  405. Iris says:
    @manorchurch

    The discussion you all had about whether late President Kennedy moved forward or backward when shot was extremely relevant to identifying where he was shot from, and everybody made very interesting points.

    I am not familiar with details of the inquiry, and cannot comment on these facts, but it is telling that they remain unclear 55 years on

    The way I see it is one should not be bogged in details of the story, but look at the logics and structure behind it.

    The only explanation why this terrible crime remains unpunished is that (1) it represented a main failure of the state, a coup d’etat, and (2) the culprits are still, somehow, in power.

  406. anarchyst says:
    @manorchurch

    Your information is incorrect…
    Here are the qualification scores necessary to rate qualification awards in the USMC
    I was in the USMC at the time and know what I am talking about…

    180 to 189=non-qual minimum score of 180 required to graduate rifle range
    190-209=marksman
    210-219=sharpshooter
    220-250=expert

    • Replies: @manorchurch
  407. @Iris

    The only explanation why this terrible crime remains unpunished is that (1) it represented a main failure of the state, a coup d’etat, and (2) the culprits are still, somehow, in power.

    There’s been a lot of activity to verify or disqualify certain aspects of the event, conducted by scientists who should have some degree of unbiased objectivity. So much re-testing and evaluating … if we assume for the sake of plot-line there has been tampering to favor the “official” story, a lot of people have been “tampered” with. IMO, there would be 2nd-generation confidantes who would have been told by scientists that the fix was in. So, I dunno.

    Firing and hitting two head shots at 88 yards is not hard shooting. It’s not sniper level. A soldier or marine that only fired marksman can do it with an M16. The time span between the second shot entering the back of JFK’s neck and the head hit was 4.8 to 5.6 seconds. That’s based on his perceived reaction time to the neck shot. Both 4.8 and 5.6 seconds are adequate to work the bolt (2.3 seconds) and fire the third round.

    • Replies: @MacNucc11
  408. @Sean

    Don’t you mean a 24-year old Texan desperado? And who says “desperado” anyway? Are you gay or something?

  409. @anarchyst

    My information is:

    According to his Marine score card (Commission Exhibit 239), Oswald was tested twice:

    In December 1956, after “a very intensive 3 weeks’ training period” (Warren Commission Hearings, vol.11, p.302), Oswald scored 212: two marks above the minimum for a ‘sharpshooter’.

    In May 1959, he scored 191: one mark above the minimum for a ‘marksman’.

    • Replies: @MacNucc11
  410. @MacNucc11

    Read it again. It ain’t complicated. And read Iris’ remarks.

  411. headrick says:
    @Milton

    The people in this thread have concentrated on the minutia of how it was done, and who the trigger man was, not how ultimately why was it done and who gave the orders.

    https://ironlight.wordpress.com/2010/05/05/kennedy-dimona-and-israels-deadly-secrets/

    Kennedy had dealings with the mob, and when you are seen as ‘one of them’, there are no strictures against the hit, but the girl friend angle as a motive is not reasonable for one of these hardboiled mob types. However, the good old existential threat bloody shirt- yeah with the Zionist LBJ crowd, this would amount to a duty to assassinate Kennedy and put a friend of Israel in there in their time of peril. Especially if there were absolutely no hard links back to the Israeli state. Good of fashioned cloak room cabal.

  412. ians says:
    @manorchurch

    Tippit was shot, probably around 1.08, give a minute or two either way. Oswald left his rooming house a few minutes after 1.00.

  413. @Wizard of Oz

    “A recent TV series (not mentioned herw) using recently declassified material does strongly suggest that…” You are dismissed, go back to your TV and pay taxes : you are a good citizen.

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
    , @Anon
  414. The CIA minutiae strategy is in full swing in this thread but for anybody who looks past their nose, the evidence is overwhelming. CIA killed both Kennedys.

    https://kennedysandking.com/content/author/305-lisapease

    And they’re only getting more murderous with time. The CIA regime under spy brat GW Bush killed Wellstone, too. CIA focal points threatened him publicly, then killed him.

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/tribute-to-the-last-honorable-us-senator-the-story-of-paul-wellstones-suspected-assassination-2/5643200

    CIA killed Dag Hammarskjöld too, among all the foreign VIPs they don’t bother to deny any more. CIA was set up so they can kill or torture anybody they want. You have to ignore it or else.

  415. MacNucc11 says:
    @manorchurch

    So he was trending down. We can assume by 1963 he is somewhat lower yet. My guess would be it would take someone near the high expert end to pull it off.

  416. MacNucc11 says:
    @manorchurch

    You are talking about moving targets here. First the car is moving, and also within the vehicle the bodies are moving.

  417. MacNucc11 says:
    @Iris

    I agree. To me the crime is solved by looking at the various people involved and who they were involved with. Who covered it up, etc. Tells you all you really need to know. How it was done is less important. It was professional, clean, and well planned. The cover up after even more so.
    The cleanup crew did a very thorough job and many potential loose ends died under suspicious circumstances. The cover up is ongoing.

  418. MacNucc11 says:
    @manorchurch

    So if this is true then we have no idea really how many shots were fired correct? Is there other audio evidence?

    • Replies: @manorchurch
  419. @MacNucc11

    So if this is true then we have no idea really how many shots were fired correct? Is there other audio evidence?

    Isn’t there abundant eyewitness evidence of three shots fired? One shot hit pavement — there’s a witness who was injured by gravel spray. The other two shots hit JFK. The recovered bullets are both certified as having been fired by the Oswald Carcano.

    If it’s faked, it is faked. Dead end. No trail to follow.

    Why would an innocent Oswald put four bullets in Tippit?

    As for marksmanship, in my experience, it’s a streaky kinda thing. Worse, it can be dependent upon a specific firearm. I shoot faster, more accurately, with my Ruger .44 Mag bolt-action than I do with my MOA Winchester .308 bolt-action.

    Marina Oswald testified to the Commission that Lee Harvey spent hours of practice, working the action of the Carcano. Later “discoveries” that the action was sticky, or the sights misaligned, is just irrelevant bullshit. Sights will misalign if you toss a rifle into a closet carelessly. Actions can get sticky mere hours after a gun is fired, from moisture absorption by burnt powder residue.

    Did Oswald kill Kennedy? I don’t know, but it is possible. Unless you are Lee Harvey Oswald, you don’t know, either.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  420. Skeptikal says:

    re “the theory goes, the aim was to create a pretext for invading Cuba, ”

    No. the motive was or would have been that Kennedy had vowed to “smash the CIA into a thousand pieces”—that is, to destroy the entity that was actually intent on taking over the govt. of the USA.

  421. MacNucc11 says:

    Ok, sure but all I am saying is we have only evidence that three shots were fired but nothing to preclude additional shots. Since as you say the recorded evidence is not reliable, fine. A shot that completely missed or hit much further away is unaccounted for. Was Oswald innocent? No, absolutely not. Did he kill Kennedy? I don’t think so but he was involved in something and new he had been set up to take the fall for Kennedy. That is why he shoots and kills a policeman. I think if he had acted alone then he makes good his escape without killing policeman or anyone figuring out where he went. Everything he did prior to the assassination marks him as someone trying to get caught or not worried about being caught. He did everything conspicuously and was photographed multiple times. If he is making a real attempt he takes the job under an assumed name, grows facial hair which he could then lose later. Maybe shaves his head or wears a disguise. Does not get a ride to work with a gun the day of but stashes it unbeknownst hopefully and well prior. Has a hideout right nearby where he quickly changes his appearance and blends into the scenery and leaves the police with nothing to pin on him. The policeman who comes up obviously knows him and Oswald realizes what has happened. How would this policeman know definitively who he is looking for?

  422. Uh oh says:

    When this question gets put to an independent deliberative body, instead of some bribed-and-blackmailed hack in the US judiciary, that’s when the shit hits the fan.

    https://consortiumnews.com/2018/06/06/oas-facing-call-for-new-probe-into-rfk-murder/

  423. ians says:

    The ‘magic’ or ‘pristine’ bullet bs had to be invented by Specter only once knowledge of the shot that cut Tague was discovered. That left two ballets, if they wished to pin it on Oswald. One bullet then had to cause massive injuries to the Governor, having first traversed Kennedy’s body. There’s also the issue that the shot that hit Kennedy in the back only penetrated a couple of inches. Ford moved the entrance of this bullet to the neck to help Specter.
    The Tippit shooting is well covered in Into the Nightmare by McBride. The evidence regarding the different calibration bullets, the failure to establish chain of possession, the inability of the detective at the scene to later find his initials on the supposed bullets, the (convenient) finding of Oswald’s wallet at the scene, the earlier time of the killing which would preclude Oswald having arrived there on foot is all well documented in this recent book.

  424. Skeptikal says:
    @Mike Sylwester

    re “the theory goes, the aim was to create a pretext for invading Cuba, ”

    No. the motive was or would have been that Kennedy had vowed to “smash the CIA into a thousand pieces”—that is, to destroy the entity that was actually intent on taking over the govt. of the USA.

  425. Skeptikal says:
    @Anon

    Re Nemesis:
    Verrry interesting.
    I read that book years ago.
    I didn’t htink anyone else had read it!

    I found it pretty thought-provoking.

  426. Skeptikal says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Sounds like Hasbara to me.
    Of course the Isrealis always have had grandiose plans for their shitty little state.
    And, one of JFK’s hugest concerns was nuclear disarmament, remember?????
    Not letting a shitty little state destabilize the world with its oversize ego and armaments.

  427. Jett Rucker says: • Website

    The Israelis “machine-gunned the rescue channels” of the USS Liberty?

    Imagine. I can’t.

    Maybe they jammed the (radio) rescue channels? Wondering, wondering.

  428. Skeptikal says:
    @sarz

    No, first you get yourself circumcised, to seal the “covenant with God” that proves that you are better than the Goyim.

  429. Sean says:
    @MacNucc11

    Oswald was impoverished (his fare back from Soviet Russia had been paid for by the US Embassy) and a co worker’s car seems if anything ideal way to get the partially-dissembled rifle into his place of employment without anyone thinking it was odd. Arriving in an unusual way would have been a mistake. Muzzle blast even from a pistol (let alone Oswald’s high power cartridges with excess powder burning out the end of the short barrel, as noticed on a range) will temporarily deafen or even blind you, the person firing is not going to be close enough to feel it unless they are trying to commit suicide. Oswald’s orientation to the the window:–

    He fired at a downward angle, and the muzzle blast would have indeed dislodged dust, loose paint ect in an area below that low sill he fired over.

    Re women. Remind me, why did John Hinckley (another Texan) shoot at Reagan?

    JFK was a rabid anticommunist who got elected by falsely saying the US had a missile gap with the Soviets ( a lie invented for him by Albert Wohlstetter granddaddy of the neocons). Kennedy got into Vietnam because he would not let the communists win so he lied about the prospects of sucess (a lie invented by him by Walter Rostow) Both Rostow and Wohlstetter were 100% pro Israel anti communists. Bobby and Jack were not real Irish a la ethic Catholic neighbourhoods long marked for destruction by Wasps and soon to broken up by block busting integration (hardly opposed by Jews). The real irishness of the kenediys was is their low IQ, they could not see that they were being used to send ill educated Catholics off to die in Nam , and come back to court mandated integration of their communities/ schools– partially motivated by Nixon’s desire to nullify Soviet antiracist propaganda against the US.

    Re Sirhan’s his motive for killing Kennedy with a .22 pistol (same as nearly killed Reagan)

    https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/bobby-kennedy-s-israel-visit-that-led-to-his-assassination-1.6153324

    The fourth dispatch, clearly influenced by American fears at the time, was titled “Communism Not to Get Foothold,” with the subhead “Jews guard against Red agents in guise of refugees — want no part of Russian tyrant.”

    Kennedy noted in this final dispatch “there is no question that Russia is sending agents into Palestine in the guise of refugees,” but it is inconceivable, he emphasized, that communism would ever appeal to the local population. “That the people might accept communism or that communism could exist in Palestine is fantastically absurd,” he wrote. “Communism thrives on static discontent as sin thrives on idleness. With the type of issues and people involved, that state of affairs is nonexistent. I am as certain of that as of my name.”

    https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/.premium.MAGAZINE-how-bobby-kennedy-cemented-his-relationship-with-u-s-jews-1.5411743
    Over the next three years, Bobby cemented his relationship with Jewish New Yorkers enough that they came to identify him as one of the strongest supporters in the country not just of Jewish-American causes, but of Israel. So did Israel’s enemies, including a 24-year-old Palestinian named Sirhan Sirhan who hated Israel, hated Kennedy for supporting Israel and shot the senator a year to the day after the start of the Six-Day War in which Israel routed its Arab enemies.

    . Kevin MacDonald on Ted the last of the brothers

    The bill was written by Norbert Schlei who was Jewish, and its official name is the Hart-Celler bill; Emmanuel Celler spent his entire career in Congress as a leader in opposition to immigration restriction, beginning with his hostility to the 1924 law which enshrined quotas favoring Northwestern Europeans. One should also mention the role of Jacob Javits in the Senate. As soon as the bill was passed, Jewish organizations focused their efforts on increasing the numbers of immigrants. Ted Kennedy may not have lied when said the bill would not change America. But in conjunction with the later efforts of Jewish activists, demographic change was inevitable

    In their real world lives, the Kennedy brothers were friends, if not dupes of, the Israel lobby.

  430. @Amin Abdullah

    Actually he’s the opposite of a good citizen. And he’s a raging douche-nozzle as well.

  431. Who is psycho enough to kill the Kennedys? The same ones psycho enough to Shoot up American sailors on the USS Liberty, blow up various things in Lavon affair, blow the WTC and Pentagon to smithereens on 9/11, murder 50 or so people in Vegas, they’re the masters of false flags, assassinations, and terrorism, the inventors.
    With help from dual citizens, neocons and zionist traitors within our own “government” and military of course…
    I suspect them in most of the mass shootings too. They really want us unarmed so we can be easily murdered like Palestinians, because they’re also spineless cowards. :-)
    We need more Patrick Littles and Arthur Jones’ ASAP.

    • Agree: anarchyst, Iris
  432. @manorchurch

    So the “magic bullet” theory is alive and well? Uncle Arlen would be proud of you!

  433. @Iris

    With sincere reasoning, & open to other commenters, Iris commented: “I am not familiar with details of the inquiry, and cannot comment on these facts, but it is telling that they remain unclear 55 years on.

    Hi Iris,

    Years ago, I read Robert Lifton’s great scientific (forensic) JFK assassination work, titled “Best Evidence.” There he explains how JFK moved reflexively forward for an instant, gripped throat, lunged backward.

    You Tube video (below) features what Mr. Lifton knew. Nonetheless, I highly recommend your reading the book, “Best Evidence,”

    Thanks, Iris!

    • Replies: @Iris
  434. Good video on JFK assassination, doesn’t get much into Israel role, but worth watching.

    JFK to 911 Everything Is A Rich Man’s Trick

  435. Anon[238] • Disclaimer says:
    @ians

    Debunked? Where? How? By whom? I ask because I’m interested to know. It didn’t seem nonsensical as presented by the former Australian policeman Colin McLaren (from memory) and it made sense of a lot of the mishandling of evidence. Mind you one would have thought that RFK might have mentioned it as a possibility if it hadn’t been effectively obscured by the Secret Service.

    • Replies: @ians
  436. Anon[238] • Disclaimer says:
    @Amin Abdullah

    So are you denying that Oswald made connection with Cubans shortly before the assassination? If they were going to give him a safe getaway and failed to would that not provide an explanation for Oswald complaining that he was a patsy? Especially if he also thought wrongly that they would provide another shooter….. just logic but you don’t have any facts do you?

    Where’s the connection between Oswald and Mayer Lansky btw. That has to be important.

    • Replies: @MacNucc11
  437. Anon[238] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Then why did he shoot the police officer later?

  438. FKA Max says: • Website
    @Greg Bacon

    Very interesting. Here some more background information on this source:

    Homer Echevarria – Taking Care of Kennedy

    On November 21, 1963, a government informant named Thomas Mosley was negotiating the sale of machine guns to a Cuban exile named Echevarria. In the course of the transaction, Echevarria said that “we now have plenty of money – our new backers are Jews” and would close the arms deal “as soon as we [or they] take care of Kennedy.” The next day, Kennedy was assassinated in Dallas.

    Mosley, an ATF informant, reported his conversation to the Secret Service, and that agency quickly began investigating what it termed “a group in the Chicago area who may have a connection with the JFK assassination.” Echevarria was a member of the 30th November group, associated with the DRE with whom Oswald had dealings the previous summer. Mosley said the arms deal was being financed through Paulino Sierra Martinez and his J.G.C.E.–Sierra interestingly was connected to Bobby Kennedy’s effort to unite various exile groups, through Harry Ruiz Williams.

    https://www.maryferrell.org/pages/Homer_Echevarria_-_Taking_Care_of_Kennedy.html Archived link: http://archive.is/BWfHF

    I have my own theory who killed JFK, and potentially RFK, since both Diem brothers were killed by the CIA probably on orders of JFK and potentially RFK.

    Might it be possible and conceivable, that President Kennedy was assassinated [on] the orders of Cardinal Spellman and the Catholic lobby as “revenge” for Diem’s assassination?

    https://www.unz.com/article/was-vietnam-a-holocaust-for-zion/#comment-2280179

    • Replies: @FKA Max
  439. Anonymous[238] • Disclaimer says:
    @manorchurch

    The biggest immediate problem with the shooter on the grassy knoll theory is as you indicate that he wouldn’t have been reliably hidden from view and the moment he took his rifle out of a bag he would be risking someone seeing him and at least shouting for police. He certainly couldn’t count on not being seen. It would have made more sense for him to be in a room some distance from the one Oswald was in. Come to think of it, if you wanted bullets from Oswald’s position to be thought the only ones you couldn’t risk shooting from anywhere that wasn’t close to Oswald.

    • Replies: @manorchurch
  440. Anon[238] • Disclaimer says:
    @NoseytheDuke

    Is your head altogether or are you just firing chain shot. What is the point of your “said to be HW Bush”? Which was rattling round in your head btw GW or GHW?

    And why 1. did Oswald make a run for it? 2. shoot a police officer? All consistent with your idea that he didn’t shoot at Kennedy.

  441. Anon[238] • Disclaimer says:
    @annamaria

    C’mon. You’ll never get that job as propaganda instructor if you yourself haven’t got BS detector that warns you against “the testimonies of twenty one members of the Dallas Hospital staff”. Which fake news site did you get that from?

    • Replies: @annamaria
  442. Anon[436] • Disclaimer says:
    @ians

    Why would anyone choose to shoot from such a public place where one might be sprung the moment one took a rifle out of a bag if not before because of the shape of the bag? Why would one want to fire a shot which obviously (if the forensic examination was half competent) didn’t come from where the patsy was known to be?

    • Replies: @ians
  443. @jilles dykstra

    How was Kennedy going to prevent Israel getting nuclear weapons? France was already lined up as a supplier wasn’t it? And that’s apart from Israel doing what North Korea has done.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  444. @Laurent Guyénot

    As I have already asked a commenter:
    How was Kennedy going to prevent Israel getting nuclear weapons? France was already lined up as a supplier wasn’t it? And that’s apart from Israel doing what North Korea has done.

  445. Milton says:

    The proof that there was a Deep State conspiracy to murder JFK can be found in the fact that over 50 years after the dirty deed, the Deep State today still continues to block the release of thousands of the most important records. If the lone nut Oswald was the guilty party and it is “case closed”, the Deep State would not have a reason to continue to stonewall on the laughable excuse of “national security” and to protect the “names and addresses” of individuals still alive. Something tells me that Poppy Bush and the Israeli spy Kissinger are at least two reasons why the full release has not yet occurred. And if Israel had anything to do with it we will NEVER see the full release, at least not as long as our Deep State, Congress and President continue to put Israel First and America last.

  446. Milton says:

    Those who are familiar with high-powered, loud rifles like the Mannlicher Carcano Oswald is alleged to have used know that if someone was firing such a rifle above the heads of the crowd of people lining the motorcade route, we would have seen instant reflex reactions to such a high powered being fired above a small, crowded plaza. But when we watch the ZFilm, we see no such startle reactions in the crowd. Had Oswald actually been firing a high-powered rifle three times above the heads of those people, most of them would have instantly been ducking and running for cover. We don’t see that in the ZFilm. If someone was shooting at JFK from the TSBD, they certainly were not using a high powered rifle.

    • Replies: @Sean
  447. @renfro

    I appreciate your comment. I basically tend to agree with you, that the CIA had nothing or little to do with it (Dulles was just happy to be part of the Warren Commission, there is little more to it). The point is that, whenever they (Helms, ed.g.) say “we had nothing to do with it”, this is taken as more evidence that they have something to do with it. But then the question remains: why couldn’t the CIA or some other intelligence agency investigate properly? To raise the question, I think, leads us to reflect on the tremendous power of Israel to silence any criticism or accusation on Israel.

    • Replies: @renfro
  448. Update about JFK, Jr.: Did Hilary Clinton murder JFK, Jr.?
    I have not much researched the JFK, JR. case (will do for next year, the 20th anniversary of his death, and encourage others to do so). But I just came across claims (coming from friends of JFK, Jr. just after his death) that he had been planning to run for the NY senate seat in 2000 (after retirement of Daniel Moynihan, a Kennedy man). Guess who took the seat? Hilary Clinton. Thus suspicions that “Hilary Clinton murdered JFK, Jr.”, as Roger Stone puts it.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  449. @MacNucc11

    Clue: his real name is Jakob Runbenstein. Read my article, please.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  450. annamaria says:
    @Anon

    Hey, mysterious Anon [238], what exactly has irritated you so much in my post, the fact-based quotation from the above article or the video of the running bunny Billy Browder (from the family of the US First Communist?)
    “William Felix Browder was born into a Jewish family in Chicago, Illinois. … Browder’s paternal grandfather was Earl Browder, who was born in Kansas in 1891, had lived in the Soviet Union for several years from 1927 and married a Jewish Russian woman while living there. After his return to the United States in 1931, Earl Browder became the leader of the Communist Party USA…” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Browder
    — The article states that Johnson’ enjoyed a”privileged control over the Navy” and that “Lee Harvey Oswald had been a Marine, and as a Marine, he had worked for the Office of Naval Intelligence (ONI).” Moreover, “The report of this autopsy stated that the fatal bullet had entered the back of Kennedy’s skull, which contradicted the testimonies of twenty-one members of the Dallas hospital staff who saw two entry bullet-wounds on the front of Kennedy’s body. This was critical because Oswald was presumably shooting from behind Kennedy, and could not possibly have caused these bullet wounds.”
    – You are free to make your own research about the shots fired from different directions at JFK. For example: https://www.usnews.com/debate-club/was-jfks-assassination-a-conspiracy/multiple-shots-prove-jfk-assassination-was-a-conspiracy
    “Dr. Robert N. McClelland, a Parkland surgeon on duty that day, was in trauma room one and was asked to assist with the tracheotomy. As he assisted, he came behind the president, behind his head, and he announced to the other doctors present that there was a wound of exit at the back of his head. McClelland was 18 inches away from the president’s head for a good seven to eight minutes. … Unfortunately, the autopsy completed on Kennedy was less than complete. The body of the president was taken illegally from Parkland Hospital and flown back to Bethesda where doctors that had rarely completed an autopsy before in their lives worked on the president’s body under the observation of superiors.”

    • Replies: @Anon
  451. anarchyst says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Kennedy would not have prevented Israel from acquiring nuclear weapons, but could have invoked the prohibition on “foreign aid” going to any country that did not abide by international nuclear energy and weapons agreements. To this day, Israel is the only country that is not required to register its advocacy groups (AIPAC, etc.) as “agents of a foreign government”. In addition, despite not complying with IAEA (International Atomic Energy Agency) requirements, still receives the bulk of American “foreign aid”, in contravention of American law, in both cases.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    , @Sean
  452. Anon[300] • Disclaimer says:
    @annamaria

    This unmysterious but curious Anon wonders whether you really do have no BS detector. You appear to be answering the understandable sceptical jibe about the absurdity of believing in and citing as hearsay evidence no less than twenty one hospital staff “testimonies” to identical effect (cross-examined? You don’t say).

    Yet your answer consists only of repetition and links which might reasonably be expected to justify your twenty one testimonies BUT contain no such thing. Are you a bewildered and bewildering naif or quite devilishly cunning – seeking to addle the tired brains of your logical readers?

    • Replies: @annamaria
  453. @Laurent Guyénot

    When you next turn your mind to gathering all the threads on the JFK assassination and perhaps consider some of the suggestions by commenters that LBJ was party to it I would be interested in your balanced assessment of LBJ with respect to Israel and Jews.

    Unless you have worked out that LBJ had nothing to do with either assassination I hope you will have read Robert Caro’s multi volume biography of Johnson. I haven’t managed it all but I say with some confidence that it is a prequisite to any commenter making firm assertions about any of his important policies or actions.

    My tentative take on LBJ and Israel I proffer for your consideration because it has just come back to me that, in argument with a lefty pro Palestinian academic 35 odd years ago I realised and noted that Israel was America’s army in the Midxle East when the Middle East was contested as part of the Cold War. So, apart from any other grounds for LBJ to favour Jews or Israel he may, especially with a very difficult war in Vietnam on his hands, simply have decided that there was on balance no good reason to curb Israel or even make a big and fruitless fuss about the Liberty. Johnson’s civil rights credentials sit easily with his having assisted Jews escaping the Nazis and no doubt he was more likely than a Kennedy to be interested in Jewish political donors but is there any reason to regard him as bought for Israel or as some kind of evangelical Zionist nut case? Not at all I suggest.

    • Replies: @Iris
    , @headrick
    , @annamaria
  454. ians says:
    @Anon

    The book, which contained this erroneous allegation, had to be withdrawn and pulped following a successful libel suit from the Secret Service agent named. There is a photo taken at the time of the assassination that shows the agent involved and he is clearly in no position to do what was alleged. This type of laughable, nonsensical theory, easily debunked, taints the rest of the serious research carried out by responsible individuals.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  455. @anarchyst

    Denial of foreign aid wouldn’t have affected France’s assistance to Israel as I suppose you would concede. So you must be referring to aid to Israel. I don’t know how much US foreign aid was going to Israel (do you? Have you done a search?) but I leave you to take on all those commenters who regard the Israel lobby as having long owned enough Congressmen and Senators to make punishing Israel impossible.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  456. ians says:
    @Anon

    If you’d bothered to do any reading about the subject, you’d have discovered that there was a fair amount of activity taking place behind the fence. Lee Bowers and others gave details. The area is fairly well covered from view from the street by trees and foliage. There was also at least one imposter flashing a fake Secret Service badge to the crowd that rushed up the knoll to that area and prevented them from proceeding further.

    • Replies: @Sean
    , @Anon
  457. Iris says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    Hello Chuck; thanks ever so much for posting this video.

    This is an outstanding interview; the case being made is much compelling and disturbing.
    The thesis that President Kennedy’s wounds had been tampered to falsify the shooting evidence is simple, clear and well supported by separate and unrelated pieces of information. It really is compelling.

    The interview stresses that Jack Ruby was put under pressure to shoot Oswald.
    I have picked up the following factual statements within the interview, which support the hypothesis drawn up in Mr Guyenot’s article:

    - Part 1, 37:50: Just after the shooting, Jack Ruby sits with the Israeli press at the Oswald press conference.

    - Part 1, 38:10: After Oswald was captured, Jack Ruby is seen freely going in and out of Cpt Fritz’s office, the police officer in charge with the alleged perpetrator.

    - Part 1, 38:20: On the night before Oswald’s execution, Jack Ruby emotionally witnesses and takes photos at an anti-semitic/far-right demonstration, which would have strengthened his resolve.

    - Finally, at the end of Video 2, David Lifton states that Jack Ruby was pressurised on considerations of anti-Semitism.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  458. Iris says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    “Israel was America’s army in the Middle East when the Middle East was contested as part of the Cold War. [..] LBJ [..] decided that there was on balance no good reason to curb Israel or even make a big and fruitless fuss about the Liberty”.
    This is completely incorrect. At the time President Kennedy was murdered, America had an excellent image in the Middle-East, as it had just sided with the USSR and Egypt against the Israel/UK/France alliance in the 1956 Suez crisis.

    “Israel was America’s army in the Midde East”
    No. America is Israel’s army to take over the world.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  459. anarchyst says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    I was referring to Israel as the largest recipient of foreign aid. Of course, France would not be affected by the American foreign aid going to Israel.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  460. @Anonymous

    Come to think of it, if you wanted bullets from Oswald’s position to be thought the only ones you couldn’t risk shooting from anywhere that wasn’t close to Oswald.

    Corollary to that is the fact that any bullet from the knoll, hitting JFK, or anything in the limo, would have produced a set of entirely different conspiracy theories. (Keeping in mind that the head shot, which is the core of all two-shooter conspiracy theory, would have spattered blood and gore on the trunk lid, if it had come from the knoll.)

    So, if there are two shooters, both are in the TBSD. Oswald would be one, or he has no motive to kill Tippit. But, both bullets recovered are from Oswald’s Carcano.

    Wow, the logistics for the two shooters was a real bitch.

  461. annamaria says:
    @Anon

    Anon [300], are you a loyal believer in everything the government tells you to believe?
    The “mysterious” Anon [238] was also indignant about Oswald the Communist. Are you as well? And yet you (and Anon 238) did not react to Bill Browder’s (of Magnitsky Act fame) descent from a prominent communist family (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Browder), neither you reacted to Johnson’s involvement in the investigation and his pandering to Israel (was it an expression of his tribal loyalty?), but you jumped on a quote made by a person who conducted an important research in the details of JFK’ death.
    Here are the crucial facts: “Dr. Robert N. McClelland, a Parkland surgeon on duty that day, was in trauma room one and was asked to assist with the tracheotomy. As he assisted, he came behind the president, behind his head, and he announced to the other doctors present that there was a wound of exit at the back of his head. McClelland was 18 inches away from the president’s head for a good seven to eight minutes. … Unfortunately, the autopsy completed on Kennedy was less than complete. The body of the president was taken illegally from Parkland Hospital and flown back to Bethesda where doctors that had rarely completed an autopsy before in their lives worked on the president’s body under the observation of superiors.”
    What is your agenda?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  462. Anonymous[436] • Disclaimer says:
    @ians

    My understanding is that there was no trial of the issues but the publisher decided to cave rather than bare the costs of trial. So – subject to your credibly sourced rebuttal – no debunking. What is more it didn’t stop the same material being set out in an elaborate documentary. That was presumably a case where the production company was a lot richer than the publisher!

    None of the photographs I have seen or am aware of demonstrate what you allege. Can you link or otherwise show it? I find it difficult to conceive of a single still photograph sufficing, unless, for some reason, the timing of it was clear – and it showed that he wasn’t standing anywhere from where it was possible to point a rifle forward at the time when the bullet was fired. It would a big contribution if you could show us such a photograph or link to it.

  463. @Iris

    Calm down and try to run a disciplined eye over what you have written. Start with dates. The Suez affair that Eisenhower interfered with was seven years before the assassination.

    Then, bizarrely, you purport to contradict my “was” concerning the situation 50+ years ago by asserting an “is”. I am sorry if my comment didn’t seem worth giving 30 seconds of careful intelligent thought to.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  464. Anonymous[436] • Disclaimer says:
    @annamaria

    Maybe people who want you to understand that they think one thing you have said is so ridiculous that you perhaps shouldn’t be taken seriously on other things are unwilling to be told by you that they must look at something quite different you have said e.g. about Bill Browder, and take it seriously. I think if you were to say “of course there weren’t 21 members of hospital staff who gave evidence and all read out the same prepared statement” you might at least get credit for understanding what the issue was. Why don’t you try it?

    • Replies: @annamaria
  465. Sean says:
    @Milton

    The Zfilm has evidence of Zapruder being startled inasmuch the camera is jolted slightly with the shots. The first jolt was from a shot that did not hit anyone one, but the Zfilm shows a little girl’s head whips round when that same first (missed shot) made the camera wobble a bit. It is certainly odd that the Secret Service ect did not react though, and they could have discouraged Oswald from taking careful enough aim for hitting JFK in the neck (which would have left Kennedy a paraplegic) and caused the driver to duck into the foot-well– stopping the car and making the killing shot easy for Oswald.

    A female secret Service agent said last year that she would not take a bullet for Trump as if that is how someone like her would instinctively react, but the reality is that when an unexpected event irrupts into everyday normality, people often don’t react at all if if no one else is. Shock tactics that come as a complete shock often work rather well.

  466. Sean says:
    @ians

    The FBI said a narc mis identified himself as secret service, there were plainclothes military seconded to the presidents protection on the street who may also have done that

    • Replies: @ians
  467. headrick says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Israel Our army? To what end? They don’t have any oil, the Saudis who do have the Oil hated them. What good did they ever do for US? shoot up the USS Liberty?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Apollo_Affair

    Israel has always been a burden. Eisenhower was not a perfect president but he was the last one to confront Israeli ambition at all in the Suez crisis.

    https://ironlight.wordpress.com/2010/05/05/kennedy-dimona-and-israels-deadly-secrets/

    just read this.
    Israel is a bone in our throat that we can’t dislodge.
    The Russians did have the Arab nationalists in their camp but that was facilitated by their willingness to help them against Israel. If we had a decent distance between us and Israel, the relationships in the Middle East would follow oil money and other interests, and the US could have had more friends, not less. If Israel was an ordinary democracy, not an apartheid pariah, our middle east business would be much improved.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  468. Hymie says:

    There’s another advantage to this whole circle jerk. People take their eye off the CIA ball, of course, forgetting that CIA has unique institutional capacity and impunity for assassination. But Israel gets blamed for something it didn’t do. That takes people’s mind off what everybody knows Israel did do, crimes against humanity in Palestine creating erga omes responsibility to protect.

    http://www.ohchr.org/EN/HRBodies/HRC/Pages/NewsDetail.aspx?NewsID=23104&LangID=E

    http://www.dci-palestine.org/

  469. Sean says:
    @anarchyst

    I have already pointed out and linked to how the US under Eisenhower had gave a nuclear reactor to Israel in 1952, and did nothing when an obvious nuclear weapons project was detected in 1958. Eisenhower way of saving taxpayer’s money from the “Military-Industrial Complex” was to give Germany nuclear weapons. JFK was even keener on nukes than Eisenhower.

    John F. Kennedy was elected as a war hero anticommunist who could regain American superiority in rockets that the Soviet’s had apparently forged ahead with Sputnik ect , and deterrent the US would crush communism all around the globe especially Vietnam (which he never would have withdrawn from without victory) and deter the Soviet Union by an unassailable US nuclear superiority. His advisers in all this were Jews like Albert Wohlstetter on nukes and Walter Rostow on Vietnam. Kennedy alleged Nixon was part of the sleepy Eisenhower failures to keep the Free world on top, but Kennedy nonetheless almost started WW3 by pushing Eisenhower’s insanity and trying to give Germany something like joint control over Nato’s nuclear weapons.

    The Soviets responded by sending nukes to Cuba, which Kennedy was trying to destablise with terror attack called “Mongoose” and assassination plots on Castro, hence the Cuban missile crisis.The Kennedys were not finished with Cuba. Oswald back from Soviet Russia had developed into a fan of Castro, so he killed Kennedy and saved Castro.

    Kennedy was an anticommunist first and foremost, and he was quite happy for potential enemies of communist countries to get nuclear weapons. Israel was anticommunist and their nuke program s were not going to be stopped or inconvenienced in any way. It was diplomatically turned a blind eye to. Just like India

    http://albertwohlstetter.nuclearpolicy101.org/2008/02/28/roberta_wohlstetters_the_buddh/

    On May 18, 1974, India stunned the world — especially its neighbor Pakistan — when it detonated “Smiling Buddha,” its first nuclear explosive device. But what was equally, if not more, shocking was the way by which India had come to build the bomb: New Delhi had obtained the plutonium for Smiling Buddha using a reactor that Canada had built for India to use “for peaceful purposes only”, and heavy water to moderate the reactor that the U.S. had suppliedagain expressly “for peaceful purposes.”

    All this secret “Shocked! Shocked I tell you ” findings of Israel nuclear malfeasance are dissimulation by diplomats. The US were bloody well behind it all along. Get it into your head that these were anticommunist countries and thus allies, not north Korea. The US was quietly HAPPY with the outcomes.

    • Replies: @headrick
  470. headrick says:
    @Sean

    Somebody is right here and somebody is wrong about Kennedy being agreeable to Israel
    getting Nukes. Just looking over sources, I can’t find any evidence that Kennedy was sincerely pro Israel, or at least not even close to LBJ’s affinity for Israel.

    http://john-f-kennedy.net/mossadandtheassassination.htm

    Their motive? Israel’s much touted Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion, who ruled that country from its inception in 1948 until he resigned on June 16, 1963, was so enraged at John F. Kennedy for not allowing Israel to become a nuclear power that, Collins asserts, in his final days in office he commanded the Mossad to become involved in a plot to kill America’s president.

    And, in Ben-Gurion’s eyes, John F. Kennedy was an enemy of the Jewish people and his beloved state of Israel.” He continues, “The ‘nuclear option’ was not only at the very core of Ben-Gurion’s personal world view, but the very foundation of Israel’s national security policy.”

    • Replies: @Sean
  471. annamaria says:
    @Anonymous

    Thanks for providing with an opportunity to re-post for you and other “purists” the important quote:
    “Dr. Robert N. McClelland, a Parkland surgeon on duty that day … came behind the president, behind his head, and he announced to the other doctors present that there was a wound of exit at the back of his head. … Unfortunately, the autopsy completed on Kennedy was less than complete. The body of the president was taken illegally from Parkland Hospital and flown back to Bethesda where doctors that had rarely completed an autopsy before in their lives worked on the president’s body under the observation of superiors.”
    What is your agenda, Anonymous[436] ?
    Here is another morsel from the above article:
    “Oswald’s assassin’s real name was Jacob Leon Rubenstein.. he was the son of Jewish Polish immigrants. Ruby was a member of the Jewish underworld. He was a friend of Los Angeles gangster Mickey Cohen … Mickey Cohen was in contact with Menachem Begin, the former Irgun chief, with whom he even “spent a lot of time,” according to Gary Wean, former detective sergeant for the Los Angeles Police Department. So there is a direct line connecting Jack Ruby, via Mickey Cohen, to the Israeli terrorist ring, and in particular to Menachem Begin, a specialist in false flag terror. We also know that Ruby phoned Al Gruber, a Mickey Cohen associate, just after Oswald’s arrest; no doubt he received then “an offer he couldn’t refuse,” as they say in the underworld. Ruby’s defense lawyer William Kunstler wrote in his memoirs that Ruby told him he had killed Oswald “for the Jews,” and Ruby’s rabbi Hillel Silverman received the same confession when visiting Ruby in jail.”

  472. annamaria says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Whose army was that? – http://www.unz.com/article/remembering-the-u-s-s-liberty/
    “Remembering the U.S.S. Liberty. The power of the Israel Lobby,” by PHILIP GIRALDI

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  473. @Iris

    “Iris said: “Hello Chuck; thanks ever so much for posting this video.”

    Prior to anyone’s reading of skeptical Warren Commission Report / JFK murder books, I recommend perusing Mr. Lifton’s priceless “Best Evidence.”

    F.y.i., am amazed how he’s the forgotten man on this article thread.

    (Zigh)

    Although the Israeli assassination-role is muted (?), I tend to see Mr. Lifton’s scientific findings considered as “Unspeakable?”

    The book, the book! Stay unflappable, Iris, you’re eyes are on the black 8-ball. Thanks.

    • Replies: @Iris
  474. Sean says:
    @headrick

    LBJ left office instead of running for another term , thus losing all his power to was influence the investigative agencies or help Israel with US power. Israel was attacked by Egypt in 1973 so the bomb hardy made Israel secure. LBJ was broken by his following anticommunist Kennedy adviser Rostow right down the line .

    https://us.macmillan.com/books/9780374531621Walt Rostow’s meteoric rise to power—from Flatbush, Brooklyn, to the West Wing of the White House—seemed to capture the promise of the American dream. Hailing from humble origins, Rostow became an intellectual powerhouse: a professor of economic history at MIT and an influential foreign policy adviser to John F. Kennedy and Lyndon B. Johnson.

    Too influential, according to some. While Rostow inspired respect and affection, he also made some powerful enemies. Averell Harriman, one of America’s most celebrated diplomats, described Rostow as “America’s Rasputin” for the unsavory influence he exerted on presidential decision-making. Rostow was the first to advise Kennedy to send U.S. combat troops to South Vietnam and the first to recommend the bombing of North Vietnam. He framed a policy of military escalation, championed recklessly optimistic reporting, and then advised LBJ against pursuing a compromise peace with North Vietnam. David Milne examines one man’s impact on the United States’ worst-ever military defeat. It is a portrait of good intentions and fatal misjudgments. A true ideologue, Rostow believed that it is beholden upon the United States to democratize other nations and do “good,” no matter what the cost. America’s Rasputin explores the consequences of this idealistic but unyielding dogma.

    Kennedy was elected because he lied about a missle gap and the authority for that was the pro Isael anticommunist Strangelovian Wohlstetter, whose daughter married Richard Perle.

    • Replies: @Iris
  475. Iris says:
    @Sean

    By the time he was assassinated, President Kennedy had become a warrior for peace, who had established secret communication channels with Nikita Khrushchev and was trying to end the Cold War, as well as ending nuclear proliferation.

    Had he survived, he would neither have allowed Israel to acquire nuclear weapons, nor let the military-industrial complex prosper on the pretext of a bogus Cold War; he had to die.

    What kind of peace do I mean? What kind of peace do we seek? Not a Pax Americana enforced on the world by American weapons of war. Not the peace of the grave or the security of the slave.
    [..] I speak of peace because of the new face of war. Total war makes no sense in an age when great powers can maintain large and relatively invulnerable nuclear forces and refuse to surrender without resort to those forces
    “. President Kennedy speech, American University, June 10 1963.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    , @Sean
  476. @annamaria

    I thought you were a bit brighter. Oh dear. My point was that maybe an explanation for LBJ biting his tongue (if he did – I suspect he was coarsely vitriolic in private) and not bawling out every Israeli leader he spoke to and not cutting them off financially and militarily was precisely because he had a little Vietnam problem on his hands and having an ally in the ME that could beat up any of Moscow’s Arab friends swung the argument.

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  477. @Iris

    Sounds good. But note the words “total war”. That seems to have been accepted by the USSR as the Cold War settled down behind MAD. But what implications did that have for what Kennedy was actually doing in Viet Nam and what he would have done – not to mention what the flow on might have been from letting go in the mid 60s.

    Where btw do you fit in the murder at CIA instigation of Ngo Dinh Diem on 2nd November 1963. Funny that we haven’t been treated to the theory that Oswald killed Kennedy in retaliation. Perhaps that would be a kook too far but, still, it would draw attention to limitations on Kennedy’s peace loving principles.

  478. @headrick

    You are not paying attention. The point was about what might have inhibited Johnson *50 years ago* at the height of the Cold War and when Israel had shown it could whip Moscow’s Arab friends while LBJ had Vietnam on his hands and going badly.

    • Replies: @headrick
  479. @Wizard of Oz

    “I thought you were a bit brighter.“

    No one would ever make that mistake with you.

    • Replies: @anon
  480. @anarchyst

    Understood. So, what about the Israel lobby? You are no doubt aware of this:

    http://www.zionism-israel.com/hdoc/Fulbright_Jews.htm

    That was 1967. Without taking on those on UR who believe the Rothschilds have been ruling the world for 200 years you could probably get up a pretty good scrap over when Zionist lobbying became a decisive factor in US ME policy.

  481. @Wizard of Oz

    Like for it and your other ones, 10 seconds is more than enough time for a chuckle, a shake of the head and a sneer.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  482. anon[393] • Disclaimer says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    Stick to your quotient. 10 words and the problem begins to become obvious.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  483. @NoseytheDuke

    Would you care to focus your brain for 30 seconds for the exposition of your thoughts on the issues discussed.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  484. Pancho says:

    Interesting theory, but is has more holes than a Swiss cheese. Any