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At time of this writing, the Left and the British state are busily engaged in portraying a solitary, frustrated, drunken son of Albion as that great figure of myth — the ‘right wing extremist.’ By most accounts Darren Osborne is an everyman figure, a married father of four who enjoys his beer and the quiet life of the suburban lower middle class. In images displayed by the media, green weeds split the ground just outside his otherwise tidy home, while a police officer stands at the gate of a small, neat, garden fence. It’s the kind of home you’d walk past and not look at twice; a home like your own. Like a lot of men his age, Osborne appears to have grumbled occasionally at ‘the Muslims,’ and bristled at the growing number of Islamic terrorist attacks occurring in his nation. But there was nothing to suggest he might be a ‘man of action.’ He was not a member of any nationalist organization. He had no blog, no history of activism. The leader of the South Wales National Front, Adam Lloyd, told the press that Osborne “is not known to any of us here in South Wales National Front, and to our knowledge is not and never has been a member.” Darren Osborne surprised ‘the movement’ with his actions in Finsbury, though I suspect he surprised himself even more.

Modern ‘society’ is expert at controlling the behavior of men — in particular, the expectations, responsibilities, and burdens of the consumer society, propped up by mortgage and credit card usury. Shackled from cradle to grave. For many people, leaving education is merely the start of a succession of races to pay the bills each month. No grander purpose or vision lies beyond this bottom line. A wife may come and go, homes are bought and debts incurred, children are born in order that they too might one day begin the same race.

Some might say that this has always been the case, and in some respects they are correct. However, the last five decades have witnessed the steady politicization of the working environment, and this is unique. Being socially and politically compliant became a more important part of life than at any time in history. In the past, there always existed ‘the frontier’ or beyond. There was thus always a place to go for ‘the man with a cause,’ the noble outlaw. The Icelandic Sagas, which in many respects exalt this type of man, are replete with individuals and individualism — tales of people who wanted more from life than existing social systems offered, and so set forth into new lands or waged war on the status quo in old ones.

The globalized world of the 21st century offers no frontier. Nowhere is free of the airport, the convenience store, the security camera, the detective, or the State. The world, as they say, is getting smaller, not bigger. Only the born slave could see this as a good thing. Today, there is no place for rebellion to be displaced to, and the State maintains a greater monopoly on the use of force than at any time in history. In this context, conformity has become endemic. Rebellion of even the most mediocre kind now results in ejection from employment and disaster in the race to pay those all-important bills. Loss of job can result in loss of home, and in many cases family. At some point in recent times, a man’s ability to conform and remain silent became the fulcrum upon which his entire personal fate would rest. And because of this, the vast majority of men remain silent and still when it comes to anything meaningful. Robinson Jeffers, the great ‘inhumanist’ poet of the early 20th century wrote of this malaise in ‘Decaying Lambskins’:

Because we are not proud but wearily ashamed of this peak of time. What is noble in us, to kindle
The imagination of a future age? We shall seem a race of cheap Fausts, vulgar magicians.
What men have we to show them? but inventions and appliances.
Not men but populations, mass-men; not life
But amusements; not health but medicines.

Never in history has European man been more compliant to the wishes of his overseers, or even his peers. Life expectancy has increased, but is life being truly lived? Years slip by with no truly special achievement. The hair becomes more gray, and the waistline expands. Despondency sets in. Some join the ranks of the silent epidemic of White middle aged males taking their own lives. Mass immigration, Islamic terror, and the rape of White children occurs amidst this bewildering, infuriating inertia. All of this occurred to me as I watched phone-recorded images of Darren Osborne prior to being bundled into the back of a police van. In one clip he shouts ‘Kill Me’ to the Muslims surrounding him. Semi-drunk, he appears possessed of both physical and mental pain. I believe that Osborne’s actions were indeed an act of revenge, but they were perhaps foremost an act of rebellion — a rebellion against the idea that revenge couldn’t even be contemplated; a rebellion against inertia and the silent suffering of inaction.

I’ve written previously that the figure of the ‘right wing extremist’ is largely mythical. Not only is this true in terms of the vulgar exaggeration of the threat of violence from the Right, but also because ’extremism’ is itself merely an invention of the late 20th-century Liberal state, which hubristically lays claim to define what is normal and natural. The Liberal state sees itself as devoid of ideology, and the ultimate in benevolent neutrality. Just as the Liberal state is founded on this lie, so the concept of ‘extremism’ is a lie. There isn’t even anything ‘extreme’ about Islamism — it simply is, and is true to its own primitive nature. It would be more honest for us to simply call Islamists ‘Muslims’ than to call them ‘extremists.’

I could probably argue that the Liberal state is itself ‘extremist’ because it locks people in jail for years for leaving sandwiches outside mosques, but that would be playing their game. A more Social Darwinist view of modern politics and the devices of violence and coercion would be to suggest that the field is wide open and all players will play to their strengths. The only oddity about it all is that Liberalism has forgotten that it rests on ‘the shoulders of giants’ who jailed, were jailed, killed, or were killed to in order to pave its way into government and statehood. Without ‘extremists’ Liberalism wouldn’t exist today.

Peace and tolerance are the trump cards of the status quo. The man with pockets full of poker chips is the man most likely to want to call an end to the evening’s game. Liberalism has what it wants, and it has a population too terrified and distracted by the banalities of modern life to ‘look back in anger.’ When you hear a politician or public figure utter the refrain that this or that attack was “an attack on all of us,” what they mean is that someone has dared to suggest that the poker game isn’t over yet; that the chips are still in play. Liberalism is facilitating multiculturalism. Multiculturalism is facilitating the demographic decline of our people. We cannot long endure the status quo. As things worsen, we will very probably see more examples of the frustration of the everyman boiling over.

However, Liberalism cannot accept that it is pushing ordinary people to the edge. Thus, Osborne the frustrated everyman is being reconstructed as Osborne the right-wing terrorist. It’s a narrative resting on very poor foundations, but the status quo is milking the incident in Finsbury for every drop of ideological value. Owen Jones, a repugnant homosexual journalist at The Guardian has written: “Britain’s far right is desperate, angry, cornered, and dangerous, as the Finsbury Park atrocity may well show. In just a year, the number of far-right extremists referred to the government has jumped by nearly a third. Social media abounds with frothing far-right fanatics, screaming about betrayal and vengeance. Both Muslims and the left are firmly in their sights — and we urgently need a strategy to deal with it.”

Jones, like many pathological liars on the Left, is being disingenuous to say the least. The ‘government referrals’ Jones refers to are in relation to the UK’s ‘Prevent’ program, which is supposed to catch and ‘re-educate’ youngsters at risk of developing ‘extremist’ attitudes. In a move intended to make the program look less ‘racist,’ vast efforts were expended to declare the non-violent nationalist group ‘National Action’ a terrorist group, and therefore pave the way to sweep up its young members in an effort to massage Prevent’s ethnicity figures. In truth, so-called ‘right wing extremists’ comprised just 8% of terror arrests last year, and were almost non-existent at the charging and conviction stages — suggesting that the legal system is deliberately targeting innocent Whites for arrest on very weak suspicions in an effort to massage its figures and make Muslims look slightly better.

Jones may truly believe the lies he tells, though he has a history of bending narratives in accordance with his own ideological preferences. In one of the funniest incidents ever recorded on a live news broadcast, Jones once got into an argument with another journalist who uttered the familiar refrain that “it was an attack on us all.” Jones is normally full of such banalities, but in this particular case the incident in question was the Orlando massacre. Because, in this instance, Jones felt that there was a more personal sense of victimhood to be gained from claiming Orlando as a specifically ‘homophobic’ attack, he began arguing against the ‘attack on us all’ narrative on the grounds that it was clearly an attack on gays — only to be rebutted by the increasingly zealous virtue-signaling of the host. Jones eventually lost his composure completely, walking off set because of the host’s insistence that the attack in Orlando was an “attack on us all” and not just an attack on homosexuals. It really has to be seen to be believed, but this is Left-Liberalism in a nutshell. It constantly shapes its own narratives according to its own perceived needs or preferences.

Amber Rudd, the British Home Secretary, is another shaper of narratives and a quintessential member of the hostile elite. Although it appears to be open season on native Britons, Rudd has repeatedly made strenuous efforts to grant special privileges and protections to both Jews and Muslims. In March, Rudd pledged £13.4 million in taxpayer’s money to fund security measures at Jewish schools and community establishments, promising to protect the Jewish community against anti-Semitism. Rudd apparently said to a meeting of Jews: “We are doing what we can to confine anti-Semitism to the history books. If you feel threatened we will listen to you, and if you are victimized we will defend you,”

In the aftermath of Darren Osborne’s act of desperation, Rudd wrote an op-ed in The Guardian in which she declared : British Muslims Deserve Full Protection, and They Will Get It. Rudd stated: “Muslims must feel safe and we are working together to tackle hate crime as well as all forms of extremism. … Sadly, indicative figures suggest that over half of those who experience hate because of their religion are Muslim.” As well as promising at least £2.4 million for the protection of mosques, Rudd boasted that she had proscribed National Action, “the first extreme rightwing group to be banned as a terrorist organization.”

Of course, the offering of special protections to Jews by elites and the State has long historical precedent. The yellow badge identifying the Jew originated in medieval times as a way of making it easier for the King’s men to spot and protect Jews — the King’s usurers and tax collectors. Along with disarming the populace, special protection is one of the main reasons why Jews are strongly attracted to, and supportive of, the idea of strong central government. The offering of similar privileges and protections to Muslims is relatively new, but should be seen as indicating the increasing alienation of native government/State elites from their own populations. Our elites (government, media, business) have sold their souls to the Devil of globalization, and Whites are now regarded as mere interchangeable chattel, or worse. To be sure, you will be tolerated and allowed to go slowly extinct if you carry on the kind of dull, soulless existence described at the outset of this article. But the problem with Whites, as many globalists know, is that they still have, on occasion, the tendency to behave as they did in the Icelandic Sagas — to seek freedom and a new path; to reject tyranny and injustice; to seek their own piece of land and refuse to be bought off with anything less. Strong central government is anathema to the European, especially when there is no frontier, or ‘New World,’ that he might escape to if he is unsatisfied.

At time of writing, Darren Osborne has been charged with terrorism offenses, a move that has been justified on the dubious reasoning that his actions were in aid of a political cause. This is tenuous indeed. Based on the evidence that has emerged thus far, Osborne does not appear to have adhered to any kind of systematic ideology, let alone advocated any coherent social or political program. The only charge that could conceivably match his crime is that of religiously aggravated attempted murder — a serious charge, but not the terrorism charge that would in all probability ensure he never sees another day beyond prison walls. The real, deeper, reason why Osborne has been charged with a political offense is because his actions were a political affront to the multicultural agenda and the Left-Liberal, globalist state, and must necessarily be reconstructed as systematically ‘racist,’ ‘neo-Nazi’ or ‘far right.’ As time progresses and things worsen, we should expect more and more relatively ordinary, unaffiliated, and frustrated people to act against this system, and to undergo similar reconstructions. There were will more arrests of innocent Whites. More figures will be massaged. More lies will be told, and more money will be spent on protecting everyone but the rightful heirs to these lands.

But things are beginning to change. Across the West storm clouds are gathering. I believe that the time will soon be at hand when we can prove the poet Jeffers wrong — that we are more than cheap Fausts and vulgar magicians; that we are men and not just populations; that we desire life and not just amusements.

(Republished from The Occidental Observer by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. Dan Hayes says:

    Once again Ron Unz publishes the unpublishable (at least according to the standards of the powers-that-be!). And from “The Occidental Observer” no less!

    Once again many thanks for another manifestion of one of Ron’s political transgressions.

    • Replies: @Jeffna
  2. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “Not only is this true in terms of the vulgar exaggeration of the threat of violence from the Right,”

    Yeah, why define a small group of white evil fuckwits as the Right, when much of the whole fucking race is The RIGHT, given the Greed and Psychopathy they display.

    You think by repeatedly labelling Muslims as terrorists, and extremists, etc., murdering them by the 100’s of thousands, millions even, directly or indirectly, you are somehow defeating Islam? But, you are actually not. Your deceitful evil actions are simply making you more greedy and psychopathic… an insidious rotting of your very soul. In other words, you are defeating yourselves.

    How much ever you label Muslims as terrorists, and Islam as an incubator, it is evident from the numbers who join groups like AQ&ISIS, that MOST of us simply abhor killing of non-combatants.

    And, what is wrong in some of us (may Allah(swt) bless them) fighting the evil vile scum, the imperialist Chrizzy/Juden armies? Armies which are so evil, they can kill their own people for strategic gain (false flags).

    We will patiently continue on like this, notwithstanding all evil machinations of the Chrizzy/Juden elites, while obediently prostrating to Allah(swt), the One and only. Our souls are more or less safe, even if somewhat hate filled against all Islamophobes.

    Anyway, to us true monotheists, is sublime success in the hereafter, and to the likes of this vile amoral author, and the reeds, and the derbyshires, and mercers of the world, is utter failure.

    Beware the fate of all Islamophobes:-

    It almost bursts up with fury. Every time a group is cast therein (Hell), its keeper will ask: “Did no warner come to you?” They will say: “Yes, indeed a warner did come to us, but we belied him and said: ‘Allah never sent down anything (of revelation); you are only in great error.’“ And they will say: “Had we but listened or used our intelligence, we would not have been among the dwellers of the blazing Fire!” (Quran 67:8-10)

    …when Our Messengers (the angel of death and his assistants) come to them to take their souls, they (the angels) will say: “Where are those whom you used to invoke and worship besides God,” they will reply, “They have vanished and deserted us.” And they will bear witness against themselves, that they were disbelievers. (Quran 7:37)

    And those in the Fire will say to the keepers (angels) of Hell: “Call upon your Lord to lighten for us the torment for a day!”They will say: “Did there not come to you, your Messengers with (clear) evidence (and signs)?” They will say: “Yes.” They will reply: “Then call (as you like)! … (Quran 40:49-50)

  3. Let’s not get nasty about my man Derb, please. God Bless John Derbyshire and his family and the fundamental decency, good sense, and civilization that he represents. And I wish you – and all of us – only the loving spirit of Jesus as well.

  4. Jason Liu says:

    Society as a concept is intended to be a check on negative male behavior. The problem is that it isn’t sufficiently checking negative female behavior as well, at least not in our era.

    But ultimately Osborne made the same mistake many rightists make. Killing that one random Muslim won’t help his cause. The enemy is largely the West itself and its current values system, almost entirely upheld by whites themselves.

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
    , @Anon
    , @Ace
  5. ” The real, deeper, reason why Osborne has been charged with a political offense is because his actions were a political affront to the multicultural agenda and the Left-Liberal, globalist state, and must necessarily be reconstructed as systematically ‘racist,’ ‘neo-Nazi’ or ‘far right.’ ”

    The question remains why our ‘elites’ want to destroy our cultures.
    Do they want to to this out of their own ideas, or are they compelled to do this ?

    Merkel of course is the driving force, the visible force.
    I wonder if she does what she does because of outside pressure, because she wants to enter history as the politician who destroyed the terrible German culture, that caused two world wars, or just because of personal lust for power.

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  6. @anonymous

    Those who do not think that conspiracies do not exist wonder if the destabilisation of the ME and N Africa, with the resulting stream of migrants to Europe, is one big plan, to fragmentise these regions, and destroy the European cultures, so that Europe can become a USA clone.
    In few words: USA domination of ME, N Africa and Europe.

  7. Whenever there’s an Islamic terror event Moslems, including our own Talha, rush to defend, deny, deflect or justify what they’ve done. Same thing with blacks and crime.

    And yet Whites are supposed to wring their hands and weep when one of our own does the same?

    No thanks, not any more.

    The man who did this is a hero. The only tragedy is that he didn’t kill many more.

    • Agree: Anonym
  8. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “Trolls thrive on attention which they hope to get by provoking people with incendiary comments they probably don’t believe themselves.” Johnny Smoggins, Unz Review, May 2017

    • Replies: @Johnny Smoggins
  9. Anonymous [AKA "Rab"] says:

    Darren Osborne is a murderer. This article comes irresposibly close to endorsing the random murder of a muslim because of Islamic terrorism. Following the same logic, a muslim would be entitled to randomly murder a Christian in revenge for Darren Osborne’s actions. The best defence for Christian civilization is to behave as a civilised Christian. Murder and hatred are sins in Christianity.

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    , @RW
    , @Anonym
    , @Mary
    , @Liza
    , @Ace
  10. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    “so-called ‘right wing extremists’ comprised just 8% of terror arrests last year, and were almost non-existent at the charging and conviction stages — suggesting that the legal system is deliberately targeting innocent Whites for arrest on very weak suspicions in an effort to massage its figures and make Muslims look slightly better.”

    More probably pour encourager les autres. The process is the punishment.

    • Agree: Ace
  11. Anonym says:
    @Johnny Smoggins

    Darren Osborne did nothing wrong.

    I wish a much higher proportion of the “white death” suicides would channel their deaths into something more useful for their kinfolk. It’s such a waste.

  12. Anon • Disclaimer says: • Website

    you are missing the most important part:
    a quote from a media report:

    Darren Osborne was arrested over the ‘Finsbury Park terror attack’ … jumping out and shouting: “I’m going to kill all Muslims – I did my bit.”.

    afterwards, he shouted “I did my bit”….I did my bit…implying that now we must do our bit…this is a call to arms….he is calling out to his fellow whites to do THEIR bit in fighting this invasion…

  13. @anonymous

    You are totally deluded, your religious ranting is just bizarre.
    And I don’t think most people here would state that it’s illegitimate for Muslims to fight Western military forces in Muslim countries. It’s the whole colonization of Europe thing, aided by treasonous Western “elites”, that we object to.

    • Agree: CanSpeccy
    • Replies: @JackOH
  14. @Johnny Smoggins

    I do not think there is much more wrong with Islam than say with catholicism.
    Northern Irish catholics also were terrorists.
    Nobody blamed catholicism, the northern Irish catholics were second rate citizens in Anglical GB.
    Now think about how the west treats most Muslims.
    Nevertheless, I’m not at all happy wiht how Islam penetrates in Europe.
    It took us hundreds of years to liberate ourselves from the church, how long will it take to neutralize Islam ?

    • Troll: Che Guava
  15. JackOH says:
    @German_reader

    “And I don’t think most people here would state that it’s illegitimate for Muslims to fight Western military forces in Muslim countries.”

    You’re right, German_reader. Pat Buchanan himself has noted in one of his books that the grievances against the West felt by some Muslims are clear and articulable, and, if my memory’s okay, most are of the “mind your own damned business” sort, something I think that’s completely intelligible to most of us.

    Andrew has written a fine essay with several memorable lines. I’m a bit conflicted, though. Mr. Osborne will have to pay the price for his criminal act, but, I, too, am seeing it as “rebellion against inertia and the silent suffering of inaction”.

  16. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Meanwhile in Japan…or Jungle Japan or Jungpan

    http://www.japantimes.co.jp/sports/2017/06/23/more-sports/track-field/sani-brown-advances-100-meter-final-fastest-time-nationals/#.WU0qgdQrK4Q

    Typical global trend. Japanese women develop globalist sexual taste. They see Japanese men as inferior and have sex with superior black men to have black kids. And these black Japanese kids beat all the Japanese males, thereby encouraging more Japanese women to reject inferior Asian men and have sex with more black men to have black kids. Japan is going the way of France. Japanese men will lose even more than white men since Asian men have lowest sexual value in the global marketplace.

    In the future, all Asian runners, like most of European runners will be Africans. Jungle Fever takes Japan. Jungle Japan.

    Japanese women get what they want: superior men. Japanese men get nothing, not even their own women who now reject them.

    It’s no wonder Asian birthrates plummet. Asian women don’t want to have kids with Asian men anymore. This is why more and more Japanese men must get brides from poor Asian nations.like Philippines and Vietnam. Japanese women prefer white or black men as superior.

    Globalism isn’t about equality. It’s about superior powers dominating weaker powers. Since Asian men have weak sexual-athletic power, they lose out not only in the West but now even in their home countries.

    If Japanese men had sense, they’d realize they need safe space in their home nation if they are to have any sexual success. Asian men simply cannot compete with white or black men in open competition.

    Diversity is predicated on equality but only facilitates the domination of one race by others.
    Letting blacks compete in Japan may be predicated on equality, but the result is biological inequality since blacks are faster and stronger than Asians. It leads to total black domination over Asians. So, political push for equality only result in racial inequality based on biological differences.

  17. Talha says:
    @Johnny Smoggins

    Hey J Smoggins,

    Moslems, including our own Talha, rush to defend, deny, deflect or justify what they’ve done

    Yeah, but the problem is, I’ve never done that. I’ve consistently denounced (and will continue to denounce) any act of terrorism since it has no backing in sacred law. And I’ve brought ample evidence from the statements of our top scholarship (both classical/medieval and current) to bear to prove my point. I’ve even brought evidence from experts on terrorism (as I’m about to again). Now, a good number of people have understood what I have been saying and the thrust of my arguments and I have been very fortunate that so many have an open mind when it comes to this sensitive topic.

    I don’t lose a minute of sleep if someone like you hasn’t understood because…

    The man who did this is a hero. The only tragedy is that he didn’t kill many more.

    I’m not interested in talking to unprincipled utilitarian tribalists – neither ours nor yours. It would be nice if you guys could all find an island someone and act out your aggressions on a nice LARP venture with real weapons and leave the rest of us alone. You can decide which side plays the orcs.

    Peace.

  18. Islam will not be defeated by force, it can only be defeated by ignoring and isolating it. Build walls and ban Islam and deport Muslims, and keep well away from Muslim conflicts. Defend the homeland. Let the Muslims terrorize each other.

  19. Talha says:
    @Talha

    Now, as for others who have an academic or objective bent when approaching this, I find it interesting that the author doesn’t mention that the crowd was ready to tear the guy apart, but the imam of the mosque and some elders held them back and called the police to make sure the situation did not get out of hand. That is the principled way to handle things – hats and turbans off to them. Let the man pay for his crime under Anglo-Saxon justice.

    Prof. Olivier Roy (one of the world’s top experts on global jihadis) has a brilliant article that I hadn’t come across before. He fills in the gaps in some of his other articles and traces (succinctly) the process by which the global jihadi movement went from being an anti-colonial resistance movement to the nihilist version we see today. A lot of it has to do with them breaking from any connection to the religious hierarchy (the ulema). When they had some guidance from the late Shaykh Azzam (a classically trained scholar) they were operating by different means. After he was assassinated – they morphed into basically a gang run by warlords. It is also useful to keep in mind the difference in the forms of resistance that the first Chechen war followed when it was mostly run by local Chechen Muslims and the second one when the leadership was overtaken by Salafi-Wahhabi extremists. Prof. Roy also brilliantly makes the point why this same kind of nihilist extremism has not infected the Shia resistance movements – again, attachment to the scholars is key. Required reading – especially the section called “Jihadism Replaces Jihad”:
    “It is too often forgotten that suicide terrorism and phenomena such as al-Qaeda or ISIS are new in the history of the Muslim world, and cannot be explained simply by the rise of fundamentalism. That is why I wrote, ‘terrorism does not arise from the radicalization of Islam, but from the Islamization of radicalism.’…”
    “It is important to realize that this jihadi model is not necessarily terrorist. I was in close contact with international jihadis who came to Afghanistan in the 1980s and who were organized through the ‘service bureau’ that later became al-Qaeda after Abdallah Azzam was murdered in November 1989. Under Azzam’s leadership they never resorted to terrorism, or even suicide bombings (even if they always volunteered for the front lines). They never targeted Soviet diplomats or civilians even though these were present in the Arab world. Certainly, they had Salafi leanings and readily lectured Afghans about ‘the right Islam,’ even if Azzam gave strict instructions in Join the Caravan not to interfere with Afghan society. ..”
    “Furthermore, Shiism does not allow ‘holy ignorance’ to develop among young radicals who proclaim themselves masters of the truth. The clergy has the monopoly on religious knowledge, and will not let young militants tread on its toes. The principle of marjayya (spiritual guidance of the great ayatollahs) forbids believers from inventing their own Islam. The believer cannot reject the principle of authority: he can choose his source of inspiration, but not act as a substitute for it.”
    http://www.openthemagazine.com/article/cover-story/islam-and-the-cult-of-death

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Miro23
  20. @Talha

    It is our country, we own it and we decide who has to leave. Go back to your own homeland.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @anonymous
  21. Che Guava says:

    Andrew, I am an avid reader of OO, though upbringing is more than half oriental.

    This Osborne appears to have grievously wounded some, but the one death appears to have not really been directly connected.

    Sounds like he was already on the road to death beforehand.

    Last night, walking to the station after work, narreow

  22. Binyamin says:

    Mr Unz, this is a shocking article and shame on you for publishing it. I can almost hear some Alt Right retard screaming about US constitution and free speech. When did free speech become the right to incitement to murder which this article comes perilously close to? As far as I am concerned incitement to murder is a criminal offence. Evil is evil and whenever it manifests, all decent person of whatever political persuasion condemns it without excuse. The innocent Muslim worshipper, a grandfather and devoted family man was mowed down by an Alt Right terrorist because Islamists had committed several terrorist acts in U.K. As if justified outrage at an evil act gives one the licence to murder an innocent human being.
    The Alt Right is an emerging proto-terrorist movement. Most Alt Right ideologues do not directly advocate violence or commit acts of terrorism but some of their more dim followers are beginning to use violence. Moreover, Richard Spencer’s threat of ethnic cleansing to create a white ethno state is hardly less evil than Isis’ threat of genocide against infidels. And in case anyone is wondering, no I am not a left liberal. I am a Reaganite conservative.

    • LOL: Che Guava
    • Replies: @Ace
  23. Talha says:
    @Philip Smeeton

    It is our country, we own it and we decide who has to leave.
    Agreed – though I don’t know who the “our” is that you are talking about – White Christians, Whites, only Anglo-Saxons, etc. As I’ve said before – I await the Federal notice in the mail that my citizenship has been revoked and that my right to residency is no longer valid. I will follow procedures and pack my bags.

    You don’t really expect me to leave just because some anonymous guy on the internet says “Leave”, do you? Do you operate your life that way? My wife would lose all respect for me.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Epochehusserl
  24. Che Guava says:

    narrow road, some idiot jumped the curb just behind me, really frightening, possibly not an Osborne-like attempt, but possibly, I suspect just a drunk driver.

    It was scary, as is easy to imagine. Too fast to even note the number, let alone a photo.

  25. bjondo says:

    Dum sh*t Ozzy did his bit for Netanyahoo & Co.

    Manipulated by the Deep State and Deep State Controllers.

    Oz, bang your empty head against a whining wall and wail like the puppet you are.

  26. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Philip Smeeton

    “Trolls thrive on attention which they hope to get by provoking people with incendiary comments they probably don’t believe themselves.” Johnny Smoggins, Unz Review, May 2017

  27. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Jason Liu

    The enemy is largely the West itself and its current values system, almost entirely upheld by whites themselves.

    Bollocks.

    The enemy is the Treason class that rules the West in defiance of the popular will.

    In Britain, the Treason Class dominates both the war criminal spiv Tories and the Fake Laborites, both of whom label as far right wing extremists anyone who rejects their genocidal policies to suppress native reproduction while funneling in millions of immigrants that undercut and ultimately replace the native workforce.

    Those so-called far right wing extremists who oppose the ruling elite are the great majority as anyone familiar with the results of British opinion surveys concerning immigration knows.

    • Replies: @Jason Liu
    , @Ace
  28. @jilles dykstra

    The IRA were a secular, Marxist organization that had absolutely nothing to do with religion, Catholic or otherwise. Their goal was for the British to leave Ireland, not to force the British to submit to Catholicism.

    Can you provide any evidence showing them, for example, quoting scripture to justify a bombing or shooting? Because we sure as hell can find lots of evidence of Moslems quoting the Koran to justify what they do.

    Try educating yourself more before you comment.

    • Replies: @Ace
  29. @Talha

    You need to go back haji. And take your terrorists-in-waiting brood with you.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @bjondo
  30. @anonymous

    I’m flattered to know that I have a fan boy, even if it is just you Corvinus.

  31. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @jilles dykstra

    The question remains why our ‘elites’ want to destroy our cultures.
    Do they want to to this out of their own ideas, or are they compelled to do this ?

    Globalization, my dear fellow, globalization under the direction of the Money Power.

    Read about it. You could begin with Bill Clinton’s history mentor, the man who got young Bill to Oxford University on a Rhodes Scholarship, the man who inspired Bill’s political career and the sell-out of American workers with his signature to the 1994 GATT agreement, namely, Carroll Quigley — his great work, Tragedy and Hope.

    In that book and others, Quigley explains the long-standing Anglo-American plan, a plan energetically pursued for more than 100 years by the Council on Foreign Relations, the World’s most influential think tank, which aims at the destruction of the sovereign nation state, and therefore an end to democracy.

    The destruction of the nation state means genocide of the European people’s as both cultural and racial entities.

    The globalization project, which will gather virtually all power in the hands of a plutocratic elite, was launched by Cecil Rhodes, a creature of the banking establishment (Lord Rothschild funded Rhodes’ vastly profitable investments in South African gold and diamonds and was the executor of Rhodes’ will), and has ever since been promoted by the plutocracy with the aim of transferring all real power into the hands of the global Money Power.

    • Replies: @Chucky LeRoi
  32. @Talha

    No reasonable person on the alt right believes in sending anyone back. We can stop bringing in people to do the jobs white Americans won’t do such as filling racial quotas.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @CanSpeccy
  33. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    This article comes irresposibly close to endorsing the random murder of a muslim because of Islamic terrorism. Following the same logic, a muslim would be entitled to randomly murder a Christian in revenge for Darren Osborne’s actions.

    Yes, that’s what war is about. Both sides honorably and with all means at their disposal killing as many of the enemy as possible. The Treason Party that rules the West is driving the Western nations to the outbreak of civil war.

    • Replies: @Ace
  34. @Anon

    Can you just imagine all those half-Black/half-Japanese maintaining Japanese society after 500 years? Super-power to Zero-power just so Japanese women can show all those Asian men that they are in control; why, that sounds so… SWEDISH. LOL.

    • Replies: @The King is a Fink
  35. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Anon

    The dominant nations of the 20th century were all firmly patriarchal. The rise of feminism can only mean the destruction of those societies. The people of the Western nations have to decide, do they reject self-genocide or feminism?

  36. @Anonym

    The moment a white male even implies that he has interests that are not being served by the current system then both the left and right start with death threats.

    • Replies: @Anonym
  37. @jilles dykstra

    “Northern Irish catholics also were terrorists.”

    But they weren’t killing in the name of their religion, a rather large difference. People didn’t burst into bars shouting “In the name of the Father”.

  38. @Anon

    This guy’s taken the Tiny Duck schtick and put big words round it (as well as trolling HBD with his “superior men”).

  39. Talha says:
    @Epochehusserl

    Hey Epochehusserl,

    No reasonable person on the alt right believes in sending anyone back.

    I will generally agree with you on this. Many people on the Alt-right are fairly judicious and balanced in their approach to these issues. They have some very legitimate points and concerns. I have gained a lot of insight by listening to them – I actually share these insights with traditional Muslims I know. Many of them also agree that concerns about demographic replacement, badly behaving Muslims, etc. are quite valid.

    The people who try to engage me on a level of I-know-you-are-but-what-am-I or go-home-sand-nigger – I have neither the time or inclination to engage with them past a few sentences.

    Peace.

  40. bjondo says:
    @Johnny Smoggins

    terrorists-in-waiting brood

    and active terrorists
    are the security services and their puppets/patsies/useful idiots

    Because we sure as hell can find lots of evidence of Moslems quoting the Koran to justify what they do

    go bit deeper, JS. Quoting means not a lot and leaving behind Qurans and last wills and testaments mean even less except as arrows to security services.

  41. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Epochehusserl

    No reasonable person on the alt right believes in sending anyone back.

    Give up hope, folks. Your country has been lost. No point in fighting back now.

    Actually, the Brits, at least, have been sending people back in quite large numbers, even under Phony Bliar. They provided airfare and an exit bonus, paid via a credit card after departure. In other words, an entirely voluntary scheme of repatriation. Those thus returned home were, obviously, people that even the Fake Working Class representatives acknowledged were undesirable. But there’s no reason not to expand the program, offering decent money for quite respectable economic migrants to ex-migrate for a further economic gain, i.e., the capital with which to buy property back home or launch a business, etc. All could be carried out on a perfectly amicable basis.

    The Europeans should get on with it. For a few billion a year, they can achieve a huge reversal of the flow.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Anon
  42. @Joe Stalin

    Just think of all those Nigerian scrabble players as latent roboticists. Problem solved.

  43. Rudd is Cathedral vermin. Not. Conservative. At. All.

  44. Talha says:
    @CanSpeccy

    Hey Canspeccy,

    I did not know this was going on.

    All could be carried out on a perfectly amicable basis.

    Agreed – especially for those on the economic margins – they could live like kings in a third world country for a fraction of the cost in Europe.

    For a few billion a year, they can achieve a huge reversal of the flow.

    I think this is possible, but one thing that is absolutely necessary is not to destabilize the countries that one wants people to return to – otherwise they have zero incentive to go back into a meat grinder. This is key – because this kicked off the massive wave in the last few years.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Anon
  45. Miro23 says:
    @Talha

    When they had some guidance from the late Shaykh Azzam (a classically trained scholar) they were operating by different means. After he was assassinated – they morphed into basically a gang run by warlords. It is also useful to keep in mind the difference in the forms of resistance that the first Chechen war followed when it was mostly run by local Chechen Muslims and the second one when the leadership was overtaken by Salafi-Wahhabi extremists.

    There’s a key here.

    On April 6, 1994, the Hutu president of Rwanda, Juvénal Habyarimana, was assassinated when his plane was shot down near Kigali International Airport. After he was assassinated – the Hutus morphed into basically a gang run by warlords. In other words when they lost all (structured legal) hope they turned to anarchy.

    • Replies: @Talha
  46. Globalism calls for Clash of Civilizations but also Mash of Populations.

    It’s about forests at war with forests but trees being uprooted and moved all around.

    So, we have these Wars for Israel that pits the West against Middle East and North Africa.
    Western military invades and bombs those places. It’s Western Forest attacking Muslim Forest in a strategy premised on Clash of Civilizations.
    But then, Muslim trees are uprooted and replanted in Western soil. Thus, Muslim trees are planted alongside the Native trees(that have been severed from their roots, therefore no longer able to draw sustenance and meaning from heritage and history).
    We are told that the forests must fight but the trees must get along together.

    Another Clash of Civilization is the ridiculous ‘new cold war’ with Russia. We are supposed to support NATO of US and EU against Big Bad Wolf of Russia. At the same time, US and EU urge all Russians of talent and ability to move to the West and settle in Germany, UK, and US. Or Israel.

    There is also growing Western intervention in black Africa for whatever reason: Terrorism, competition with China, neo-imperialist meddling. And we hear about how black Africa is ‘less evolved’ because it doesn’t worship homos. So, that’s another clash of civilization… but the EU actively promotes repopulating its nations with African ‘migrant’ invaders.
    The West must intervene in Africa because African Values have made a mess of things, BUT Africans with African values are most welcome in the West, and white folks must ‘welcome’ them.

    Another much-touted Clash of Civilization is between the ‘liberal democratic’ West and autocratic China ruled by Ming the Merciless. So, we are told that the US needs to surround China with massive naval presence. And maybe a war may be inevitable in the future.
    At the same time, US-Australia-Canada welcome and allow tons of Chinese immigration. In some parts of Canada and Australia, Chinese are buying up entire areas. Get ready to fight the Chinese Forest but let in tons of Chinese trees.

    What a schizo world. Clash of Civilizations running alongside Mash of Populations.
    We are told the West must fight the Non-West due to clash in values and interests… but those non-whites are welcome in the West because the West is about ‘inclusion’, ‘diversity’, ‘intersectionality'(of all groups with holy homos), and ‘anti-white privilege’. Supposedly, all those newcomers will be Queeristened(homo-christening) in time, and all will work out. Like the queeristened Mosque in Canada.

    https://www.rt.com/news/393435-norway-gay-feminist-mosque/

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4611880/Germany-opens-liberal-mosque-Berlin.html

    “We will let Muslims Islamize the West, but we will Queeristen Islam.”

    The synthesis: Homoslam.

    All of this could be avoided if the West didn’t give into Excessivism. Lots of things are okay or even beneficial in moderation or proper doses. Diversity can be good if restricted or limited. But excessive diversity is a mess. Empires fall apart due to excessive diversity, so why make diversity the core character of a nation? The whole point of a nation is to have a homeland independent of empire. But if the homeland itself becomes excessively diversified, there is no peace and stability.

    Homo culture is okay and even creative & productive if properly constrained. But let homos run wild with their narcissism and vanity, and we end up with Homomania as new religion.

    It’s like alcohol. In moderation, it’s no problem and even has some health benefits. But excessive drinking and addiction leads to sickness, mental breakdown, and self-destruction.
    Alcohol is okay but alcoholism is not okay.
    Homos are okay, but homomania or homoholism is not okay. What we have now is Homoholics who are addicted to homomania as the central value and core conviction of their lives. Most homoholics are not even homo. They are straight but were raised from cradle with the ‘sacralization’ of the homo. So, just as Christians feel cleansed in association to Jesus, most millennials feel justified and redeemed in association with holy homos.
    A certain cause or group is deemed more righteous if it has the blessing of homos. It’s like ‘God on our side’ except as ‘Holy Homos on our side.’
    And they cannot get enough of this because they are addicts or homoholics. And there are also Afroholics who more-or-less worship the black race as Magic Negroes. Consider all those white fools who frothed at the mouth and fainted at Obama rallies or consider Chris Matthews with thrills up his legs.
    And then you got Xenoholics who can’t get enough Diversity since their self-righteous supremacist arrogance is predicated on hugging immigrants, minorities, and foreigners to showcase how ‘tolerant’ and ‘inclusive’ they are in contrast to all those ‘racists’. It’s their drug of moral supremacism to get high on themselves.

    • Replies: @Ace
  47. KenH says:
    @jilles dykstra

    Oh please. I see drawing parallels between England’s Allahu Akbar crazies and the IRA is the new talking point among some Muslims and their enablers. People are supposed to say “Geez, I guess it’s really not so bad when put in that context”. But you are comparing apples and oranges especially when the Irish are native to the British Isles and the IRA uprising was an independence movement not unlike the American revolution.

    The Irish weren’t alien interlopers with massive chips on their shoulders and they didn’t have rape gangs or boast about how in 2o60 Britain would belong to Catholicism, by force if necessary. Catholics aren’t commanded to proselytize everyone they come in contact with.

    The IRA didn’t seek to impose its will upon all subjects of the British Isles. It was a quarrel among closely related European ethnic stocks and lands that they’ve occupied since time immemorial.

    • Replies: @Che Guava
    , @SteveRogers42
  48. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Talha

    I don’t have figures in front of me, but I would guess that most of these people, almost certainly at any rate most of those who are willing to go back, come from reasonably stable places like Pakistan (not a bad place if you’re Muslim), Bangladesh (a great place if you have money), etc.

    My problem with this sort of thing is quite adequately expressed by the single word Danegeld.

    • Replies: @Talha
  49. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @CanSpeccy

    America doesn’t really need to send anyone back. Our Muslim population is not one in fifty, and of a better class than Europe’s; if we stop inviting everything will be fine.

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  50. Che Guava says:
    @Anon

    Priss,

    If you watch the vaunted second place in the 4 by 100 m relay at that festival of stupidity, you will notice that the Japanese team was already in a good positition before the final baton pass.

    It is a shame that the credit goes to, and is taken by, the one half-black in the team.

    Any number of others would still have been able to have kept up the pace.

    I met one who is atypical last week, a doting father, but in general, they vanish.

    One, a child star on the state broadcaster, I saw a few years later on a train, her mother was saying ‘No, you are really beautiful.’ At the time, it was funny, because she really looked hideous.

    Same line, same times, so a few more times.

    The father had clearly vanished.

    However, she was at an event I attended last year, good looks, I wonder if plastic surgery may have played a part.

    The ‘black princess’ attitude, though, stank, it was a very informal event, I went out of my way to avoid a forced introduction.

    It is also amusing to see the cuckoo children attempt to carry off our girl’s styles. To say it does not work is an understatement.

    This particularly puts me in mind of a very early teen, already towering over her mother, and because of her thunder thighs, giant bum, and size in general, completely unsuited to the here-style clothes she was wearing.

    Seen many times, again, a cuckoo, father vanished, I’ve never seen him.

  51. Talha says:
    @Miro23

    Hey Miro23,

    It often rolls this way. I posted an interview that CNN did with the late Shaykh Azzam’s son where he talked about how the global jihadi movement had become cancerous:
    “Bin Laden founded al Qaeda and was intent on creating a worldwide jihad. Abdullah Azzam thought his former protege had come under the influence of a group of extremist Egyptian militants — who were taking jihad in the wrong direction, resorting to terrorism and killing innocent civilians…But the jihad in Iraq hasn’t gone according to the Azzam plan. Huthaifa points to his father’s will and says that kidnapping journalists, beheading contractors and killing civilians is not what his father envisioned.”
    http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/03/23/schuster.column/index.html

    I remember things coming in as a trickle first; it was Bin Laden declaring all US citizens fair game, then it was the embassy bombings in Africa, slowly and surely it became worse and worse. I think it was when Beslan happened that a had a very sick feeling in my stomach and asked myself; what the hell have we become?

    And this cancer turned mostly on us because we didn’t excise it quickly enough (again from Prof. Roy’s article):
    “And this kind of terrorism today claims more Muslim than Western lives. The wave of terror that has hit Iraq, Turkey, Saudi Arabia (right in the city of Medina), Yemen, and Bangladesh during the month of Ramadan in 2016 seriously clouds the narrative. How can this offensive be presented as a struggle against Western neocolonialism? I believe that the systematic association with death is one of the keys to today’s radicalization: the nihilist dimension is central. What fascinates is pure revolt, not the construction of a utopia. Violence is not a means. It is an end in itself. It is violence devoid of a future.”

    If you open up the door to your extremists because they “get the job done” without regards to any morals then beware when the target is gone and they find other things to turn their attention to. You don’t simply flip a switch and turn this off like an appliance after use.

    Peace.

  52. […] Of course, the offering of special protections to Jews by elites and the State has long historical p…. The yellow badge identifying the Jew originated in medieval times as a way of making it easier for the King’s men to spot and protect Jews — the King’s usurers and tax collectors. Along with disarming the populace, special protection is one of the main reasons why Jews are strongly attracted to, and supportive of, the idea of strong central government. The offering of similar privileges and protections to Muslims is relatively new, but should be seen as indicating the increasing alienation of native government/State elites from their own populations. Our elites (government, media, business) have sold their souls to the Devil of globalization, and Whites are now regarded as mere interchangeable chattel, or worse. To be sure, you will be tolerated and allowed to go slowly extinct if you carry on the kind of dull, soulless existence described at the outset of this article. But the problem with Whites, as many globalists know, is that they still have, on occasion, the tendency to behave as they did in the Icelandic Sagas — to seek freedom and a new path; to reject tyranny and injustice; to seek their own piece of land and refuse to be bought off with anything less. Strong central government is anathema to the European, especially when there is no frontier, or ‘New World,’ that he might escape to if he is unsatisfied. […]

  53. Talha says:
    @Anon

    reasonably stable places

    Absolutely. I know of families in the US that have left voluntarily for Pakistan, Jordan, UAE, Saudi, Egypt, etc. just for the sake of safeguarding their religion. My personal preference would be either Egypt, Jordan or possibly Malaysia.

    Just like many Westerners are retiring in communities in the third world – I have noticed a trend of this happening with some of the elderly in the Muslim community too. I saw a beautiful expatriate community housing tract on the Mediterranean when I visited Egypt.

    Even non-Muslim foreigners don’t mind retiring in stable Muslim countries:
    “Morocco is rapidly becoming a desirable retirement destination for foreigners from many countries around the world. It is especially attractive for people with lower income levels due to the low cost of living in all aspects (property, food, transportation, etc.) The year-round mild climate, stable government, and low crime rates are also reasons foreigners chose to settle in Morocco. With a rich culture and history, there is plenty to see and do visiting the very modern cities, the old medinas and everything in between.”
    http://www.expatfocus.com/expatriate-morocco-retiring-pensions
    http://moroccomedia.com/2016/07/05/more-foreigners-retiring-in-morocco/

    I’ve read that even some Somalis are planning to move back:
    http://www.seattleglobalist.com/2016/02/02/why-i-moved-back-to-somalia-somali-diaspora-seattle/47097

    I know a convert brother that married a Somali wife – he says there is a lot of talk about this in the Somali community.

    Danegeld

    LOL! Yeah I can see that. I really don’t see a happy solution – just a list of least bad ones.

    Peace.

  54. Anonym says:
    @Epochehusserl

    If it was right to throw men into the meat grinder of WW2 and kill Germans for Hitler’s invasion of Europe, by countries not even invaded by Hitler, then it is right to resist the immivasion in white countries – that no government dares to test with a referendum on the subject. Ditto “Should our country adopt Sharia?”

    White people have a right to exist. We have a right to resist our genocide.

    • Replies: @Epochehusserl
  55. Che Guava says:
    @KenH

    Jilles is an oblique propagandist. Whether it is intended or not, he has propagandistic patterns, read one by chance, likely invisible. Many, still cloudy, but it is there. I would guess that it is a half serious game for him, as an older jewish Dutch person.

    Then again, on the ‘net, nobody knows that someone is not a dog.

    • Replies: @L.K
  56. @anonymous

    You’ve got some interesting points there, anonymous. I’m not sure I understand, are you the “warner” for us? Your text from that Koran book, is that not the Revelation itself? I will seek out my Imam, as his Koran has a few extra chapters in the back that he preaches from, with more passages than you have presented here. Are you the messenger or the gatekeeper? I don’t know if Our Messenger will present himself via some low-brow, alt-right blog site like this versus maybe National Public Radio or the Shopping Channel.

    My prayers for the signs from Our Messenger have bore no fruit, but the Imam in Dearborn questions my sincerity and my prayer practices due to my deep need to pray to the East via the Great Circle Route, using True Headings instead of Magnetic.

    My faith has been wavering, yet here I read your comment, like a bright light straight from the mini-Mag-light of Mohammad to scatter the infidels that spew the words of Serpents (honest serpents, but still infidels just the same)

    As much as I would like to absorb your message to my bosom, anonymous, I would find it much easier to do this were I sure you had not written this whole comment during coitus with a goat or any type of grazing animal while smoking desert sensimilla. Do you have a webcam?

  57. AndrewR says:

    Strong central government is anathema to the European,

    This guy is an idiot.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  58. @Anonym

    You raise an interesting point. For purely speculative purposes, of course. Simply as an artistic exercise, there was Burt Young’s “old man suicide mission” on an episode of The Sopranos:

    One last hit, one last cigarette.

    • Replies: @Anonym
  59. @Achmed E. Newman

    I ment to “lol”. I think you are right, seems a waste to send the messenger to such a small population blog. But hey, gods always choose the smallest audiences to reveal themselves.

  60. @AndrewR

    Yeah, I saw that too. Not correct, unless this guy is comparing government size to the former USSR. Otherwise, I liked the article.

  61. @Achmed E. Newman

    @ Delinquent Snail

    Thank you sir. Someone had to say it.

  62. @Talha

    I recall that Algerian Marxist rebels offered French settlers the choice of “the suitcase or the coffin”. How ironic, now that positions are reversed.

    • Replies: @Miro23
  63. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Anon

    Yes, the position of America is different in important respects from that of the European nations.

    First, excluding all the Russias, Europe is only half the size of the US but has twice the population.

    Second, Europe is the homeland of the European peoples, whereas America is a settler state which can be as multiracial or mixed racial as it wants without wiping out any particular human tribe or culture, provided that that tribe or culture has a homeland other than America to call its own (not so, of course, the US Amerindians whose interests deserve much greater consideration than they have ever received).

    • Replies: @Epochehusserl
  64. anon • Disclaimer says:

    One more ‘preventable tragedy’ in the ‘rivers of blood’ that is Britain had Enoch Powell been listened too.

  65. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Johnny Smoggins

    The real villain is the British government (Labour party). By allowing vast numbers of visibly and culturally alien peoples to settle in a historically homogeneous state, they essentially created racism.

    • Replies: @Jay Igaboo
  66. Perspective:

    Most of the politicians and string-pullers in Europe’s Treason Class are childless. Mr. Osborne evidently has four children.

  67. RW says:

    “The question remains why our ‘elites’ want to destroy our cultures.
    Do they want to to this out of their own ideas, or are they compelled to do this ?”

    It’s an important question. The answer is an irrational collective white guilt in the aftermath of World War II. To salve their conscience white western elites are promoting a full scale rejection of white identity of any kind, a policy which seems to mean multiculturalism and diversity in white lands at any cost to the host cultures. On the other hand, some may see these policies as the best way to ensure the long term peaceful survival of mankind because mixing peoples may lessen the chance of war between them.

  68. RW says:
    @Anonymous

    You may be right. But peaceful resistance, a la Ghandi or King, does not work without the threat of violence, a la Hindu/Muslim riots in India or Malcom X and the Nation of Islam.

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  69. Jason Liu says:
    @CanSpeccy

    And most of that Treason class is white people

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  70. @Talha

    White men are not a homogenous group. My ancestry is Italian, Slavic and native American. I don’t have another country to go to. Brett Stevens of Amerika wants to send everybody except wasps home. I agree with him that the wasps shouldn’t have allowed diverse immigration but the cats out of the bag on that issue. I don’t think that diversity is our strength as humans. I think that it is naive to not take identity into consideration when forming a political entity. I don’t see why Latinos are eligible for group rights like native Americans or Blacks as compensation for past wrongs even if i did believe in such things. I don’t like anti-meritocratic elements of civil rights law. I don’t think sodomy is as healthy as taking a walk in the park. I don’t think there should be immigration with a welfare state. I think that discrimination is not the evil it is made out to be. I think that there are too many women involved in politics. I think white women have become immoral. I have an iq of 132 and I find it hard to relate to a lot of people. I think Richard Spencer is obnoxious. I dislike smug Jewish liberal pundits. I think that if the west continues to abandon sexual morality and embrace things like transgenderism then eventually they will deserve to be overrun by invaders.

    • Replies: @Talha
  71. Well done Andrew. Terrorism, hate crime and extremism are absurdities. Yet otherwise intelligent people speak of them as if they are of grave concern. Thought police are the cap stone, the perfection of the police state. Darren Osborne doesn’t know who his enemies are (a common problem). He attacked the wrong people. He is a murderer. But he is not a right wing extremest nor is he a terrorist. These categories are the invention of Mr. Osborne’s true enemies.

    • Replies: @WorkingClass
  72. I noticed the troll commenting on Japan had to pull a major nonsequitor in order to provoke responses.

    Japanese men marry Filipinas for the same reason American men do. An average-income man in either place can marry a stunningly beautiful Filipina half his age. In our own countries you have to be super rich to score like that.

    I had the fat, surly, old feminist twats telling me that I couldn’t measure up for them so I had no choice. I had to step down to an inferior model 82 lb teen who runs around in her panties picking up my clothes as I drop them on the floor wherever I happen to be.

    Like the Japanese men, we’re depressed that we can’t have a fat old ugly homie telling us what to do. We have to put up with the hero worship, the incessant sex, being treated like a king, laughing at all our jokes, hanging on our every word. It’s awful.

    This article really hit the nail on the head with the comment that liberalism can’t contend with the fact it has pushed normal people to the edge. They have gotten their asses kicked so hard in the elections that they’ve lost the house, senate, presidency, governorships – etc.

    It is historically unprecedented and far from over. Their response to being so far out of whack with ordinary Americans is to say the number of racists, sexists, homophobes, and insane people is just larger than they thought.

    In the coming violence of their planned Summer of Rage, they’re going to be shocked when conscientious, moderate people fight back.

  73. @WorkingClass

    By the way. If Osborne were an Imperial trooper or a mercenary in the employ of ZEmpire he would receive a salary for the murder of Muslims.

  74. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Jason Liu

    And most of that Treason class is white people

    As one would expect in countries that were originally entirely white.

    However, immigrants to Europe are not slow to climb the ladder or show a treasonous contempt for the culture of the indigenous people.

  75. Talha says:
    @Epochehusserl

    Wow – lots to agree with you here so I’ll just highlight a few things.

    White men are not a homogenous group.

    Totally agree – any delusions to the contrary can be dismissed by a reading the history of the last two world wars on the European continent. Whites can be deadly serious about their ethno-linguistic differences.

    I don’t like anti-meritocratic elements of civil rights law.

    This one is super important – I remember Sen. Rand Paul mentioned somthing along these lines regarding private property rights and almost got crucified for it.

    I think that if the west continues to abandon sexual morality

    I cannot emphasize how key this is. The breakdown of the basic family structure is death for any community – you can recover from war, famine and all the rest – but if you can’t get this back on track, you are living on borrowed time. As Salahuddin (ra) was reported to have said:
    “If you want to destroy any nation without war, make adultery or nudity common in the young generation.”

    There is one point that I must disagree with:

    I don’t think that diversity is our strength as humans.

    Diversity can be a very, very powerful element if it is properly utilized. The West doesn’t have as much history with it as the peoples of the East. And it is not being done right currently. Some of the most powerful and dynamic empires were those that were able to maximize the benefit from the varying strengths and aptitudes of their diverse populations. A key point is making sure the varying people have a common vision or purpose and use (and encourage) them in whatever manner best suits them and is of benefit to the rest. A call for that kind of ethnic specialization would likely now be considered “racist” though. The Hapsburgs actually had a fairly respectable (if short-lived) attempt at it. The Brits were able to understand it to a degree; for instance, they used Ghurkas for their martial skills, not their aptitude at business.

    Peace.

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    , @Anon
    , @epochehusserl
  76. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Jason Liu

    St. Breivik, pray for us.

  77. @Talha

    Let me qualify the statement that I don’t want to send anyone back. I don’t want to send anyone back provided we can get rid of racial quotas, title 7, and the civil rights act of 1991 and roll back discrimination laws generally. I don’t feel that I should be forced to accomodate black dysfunction anymore than Islamic organizations should be forced to accomodate homosexual dysfunction. The sky would not fall if wards cove standards were put back in place. If we can’t get rid of quotas or demanding lowered standards for protected groups then the government should offer to send ANYONE back with money who wants to emigrate. I also think that we need to stop honoring Mlk as some type of hero and we need to begin spiritually destroying his legacy.

  78. @CanSpeccy

    Seeing as though american Indians constantly engaged in warfare, slavery and genocide against each other which group it makes no sense to refer to them as a homogenous group. Which group should we give it back to? In N.Y. for example, the Iroquois traditionally were historically excluded against in Seneca tribal organizations. Since contemporary irredentists don’t accept the legitimacy of the US government, which irredentist movement do you accept? Did it ever dawn on you that not all irredentist arguments are compatible with one another?

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  79. KenH says:

    It’s nice Unz posted a white nationalist’s perspective on the Finsbury attack although is seems the author’s viewpoint isn’t understood or appreciated by some. My only gripe is that he didn’t identify Amber Rudd as Jewish, so she’s not merely hostile elite but hostile alien elite.

    Unlike the hand wringing cucks, I don’t blame Darren Osborne for his act since he’s only reacting to an untenable situation that was forced on him and other white Britons by their utterly corrupt government and their insane immigration policies. Just like Dylan Roof was reacting to the effects of forced racial integration once he learned of the very one sided race war being waged against his people since 1965.

    As some blacks and Muslims are imposing collective punishment on whites & non-Muslims, so too will some whites begin imposing collective punishment on both groups. We all need to agree that multiculturalism doesn’t work and quite frankly, sucks.

    As time progresses and things worsen, we should expect more and more relatively ordinary, unaffiliated, and frustrated people to act against this system, and to undergo similar reconstructions.

    A man can only endure so much before he reaches a breaking point and Darren Osborne finally reached his. Jewish occupied Western governments are playing with fire in thinking they can play race replacement and demographic warfare against their native white inhabitants and not risk any blowback to themselves or the replacement populations who periodically commit terrorist attacks and other crimes against the gracious hosts.

    Rudd has repeatedly made strenuous efforts to grant special privileges and protections to both Jews and Muslims.

    (((Amber Rudd))). People think that Jews hate Muslims and Muslims hate Jews but in the Western diaspora cooperation and collaboration with each other against the white natives is not unusual.

    When Muslims commit terrorist attacks we’re treated to anti-Islamophobia sermonizing by the media and government and constant reminders that the vast majority of Muslims are harmless and affable. By contrast, when whites like Darren Osborne commits a terrorist attack against Muslims the same people (and often (((people))) take a much different tack and we’re treated to Anglophobia, subtle and not so subtle calls for government repression and the casting of aspersions and rhetorical bile against any whites who aren’t on board with the transformation of their nations into a revolving door for the entire third world.

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  80. @Talha

    I’ve consistently denounced (and will continue to denounce) any act of terrorism since it has no backing in sacred law.

    Koranic Verses:

    2:191 Slay the unbelievers wherever you find them
    9:123 Make war on the infidels living in your neighborhood
    9:5 When opportunity arises, kill the infidels wherever you catch them
    9:29 Kill the Jews and the Christians if they do not convert to Islam or refuse to pay Jizya tax
    22:19 Punish the unbelievers with garments of fire, hooked iron rods, boiling water; melt their
    skin and bellies
    47:4 Do not hanker for peace with the infidels; behead them when you catch them
    8:12 Terrorise and behead those who believe in scriptures other than the Qur’an
    8:60 Muslims must muster all weapons to terrorise the infidels

    But, please, go on living in your fantasy-land.

    • Replies: @Talha
  81. Miro23 says:
    @SteveRogers42

    I recall that Algerian Marxist rebels offered French settlers the choice of “the suitcase or the coffin”.

    I would have said that it was more Algerian Nationalists vs. French Nationalists (French settlers).

    In any event, at independence, it’s true that 1.000.000 Europeans (out of a population of 9.000.000) fled the country. French journalist Paul Henissart wrote a great book about it (mostly from the French side), “Wolves in the City. The Death of French Algeria”

    https://www.amazon.com/Wolves-City-Death-French-Algeria/dp/0671205137/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1498316679&sr=1-1&keywords=Wolves+in+the+City%3A+The+Death+of+French+Algeria

  82. Talha says:
    @Stebbing Heuer

    Hey Stebbing Heuer,

    The Qur’an and hadith say a lot of things and frankly those are not even respectable translations of the Arabic – wherever you found those to copy and paste from is being juvenile. Try this site, it’s got a few different attempted translations of the same verse so that one gets a better idea:
    http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp

    Neither you nor I (nor the gun-toting twenty year olds of Daesh) are qualified to interpret them. Targeting of non-combatants (especially women and children) has been prohibited since the beginning. There is no difference of opinion or dissenting voice among the qualified scholars on this. Furthermore – attacking non-Muslims in their lands when one is a party to a mutual security agreement (as is citizenship or residency) is also prohibited. If you want to see the underlying evidences for the above statements, you can start here:
    http://www.livingislam.org/maa/dcmm_e.html
    http://www.refutingisis.com/

    Do yourself a favor and purchase this book which is an excellent short read on the doctrine of jihad – being a reliable translation of some of the earliest medieval works on the subject:
    https://www.amazon.com/Jihad-Classical-Modern-Islam-Princeton/dp/1558761098

    This one is also good – actually better:
    “To some, jihad is the essence of radical Islamist ideology, a synonym for terrorism, and even proof of Islam’s innate violence. To others, jihad means a peaceful, individual, and internal spiritual striving. Bonner, however, shows that those who argue that jihad means only violence or only peace are both wrong. Jihad is a complex set of doctrines and practices that have changed over time and continue to evolve today. The Quran’s messages about fighting and jihad are inseparable from its requirements of generosity and care for the poor. Jihad has often been a constructive and creative force, the key to building new Islamic societies and states. Jihad has regulated relations between Muslims and non-Muslims, in peace as well as in war. And while today’s ‘jihadists’ are in some ways following the ‘classical’ jihad tradition, they have in other ways completely broken with it.”

    You can also reference any of the works of Prof. Olivier Roy (like the article I cited) of his many books. The Muslim scholarship has not and does not back Daesh and, in fact, has issued fatwas that they should be fought. You can bring fatwas from qualified Muslim scholars or our many institutions (Azhar, Deoband, Qarawayyin, Selangor, etc.) to prove me wrong…good luck.

    Your agreement in interpretation of the Qur’anic above verses being in line with that of Daesh is frankly irrelevant to the equation. Perhaps you can hold a joint conference with them in Mosul on your findings – better hurry though.

    Neither the Sunni Orthodox and the Shiah believe in Sola Scriptura – and the old men with the grey beards and turbans are the ones that issue the fatwas where the rubber meets the road. Don’t be lazy – do your research – provide names of scholars and institutions.

    Peace.

  83. Don’t be lazy – do your research – provide names of scholars and institutions.

    I don’t need to. No-one needs to.

    The Koran is the word of Allah, given directly to the prophet and transcribed directly by him. The text is unambiguous. It is clear.

    ‘Kill them wherever you find them.’

    ‘Kill. Them. Wherever. You. Find. Them.’

    Your reply substantiates my earlier claim – you’re living in a fantasy-land, fuelled by your rationalisations and unwillingness to face the reality of the nature of islam.

    • Replies: @Talha
  84. Miro23 says:
    @Talha

    Some of the most powerful and dynamic empires were those that were able to maximize the benefit from the varying strengths and aptitudes of their diverse populations. A key point is making sure the varying people have a common vision or purpose and use (and encourage) them in whatever manner best suits them and is of benefit to the rest.

    The most powerful , dynamic and long lasting Empire of them all was probably Ancient Rome, and it’s interesting to see how the Imperial Romans handled “diversity”.

    First of all they didn’t force their religion on the different peoples comprising the initial Macedonian and later Roman Empire, and along with the Roman peace (Pax Romana), their judicial system and the incentive of true Roman citizenship for prominent locals, it seemed to be a good enough deal to take the new opportunities in the provinces in return for Roman land and poll taxes.

    The point seems to be that they offered more than they took from their multicultural and multiracial community in return for unquestioning allegiance to Rome – but equally they had a 100% record of crushing rebellions within the limes (Imperial borders).

  85. Talha says:
    @Stebbing Heuer

    Hey Stebbing Heuer,

    No – you have delusions that you have the capacity to interpret the Quran – so does Daesh. Like I said – you should hold a joint conference.

    You can believe you are the special snowflake that can bypass centuries of Muslim scholarship that has come to a consensus ruling on such matters. Men and women who have dedicated decades of their life to the subject. News flash – no Muslim cares what you think.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Stebbing Heuer
  86. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Talha

    Arguably using the aptitudes at business of certain clever peoples had quite the adverse effect on Britain.

    • Replies: @Talha
  87. @Talha

    Diversity can be an equally destructive force. Forcing incompatible people to accept lowered standards for example. There was a study I read that claimed that claimed that a ten percent increase in diversity doubled the chance of an individual having a psychotic breakdown. The only standards the educational establishment accepts is that it is ok to throw a book at a white man. It is part of many school’s heritage at this point.

  88. @Talha

    No – you have delusions that you have the capacity to interpret the Quran – so does Daesh. Like I said – you should hold a joint conference.

    I’m deluded for interpreting the Koranic verse ‘Kill the infidels wherever you find them’ as Allah instructing muslims to kill infidels wherever they find them?

    You think this is such an important theological question that it deserves a conference?

    You can believe you are the special snowflake that can bypass centuries of Muslim scholarship that has come to a consensus ruling on such matters. Men and women who have dedicated decades of their life to the subject. News flash – no Muslim cares what you think.

    No. But I suspect that thousands of infidels like me are interested in what I have to say. I, and I suspect many others, are utterly sick of and fed up with people like you trying to gaslight us into thinking that what we see with our own eyes isn’t actually happening.

    Your attempts at ‘Who do you believe – me or your lying eyes?’ rationalisations are just alienating more of us from you and your co-religionists.

    So, please, keep it up.

    Peace.

    The ‘peace’ that you offer is the peace of the grave. You can keep it. The only person you’re fooling is yourself.

    • Replies: @Talha
  89. Talha says:
    @Anon

    There’s a right way and a wrong way – the devil’s in the details. The bigger problem was removing the systemic prohibition on usury/interest.

    Peace.

  90. Talha says:
    @Stebbing Heuer

    Hey Stebbing Heuer,

    I’m deluded for interpreting the Koranic verse ‘Kill the infidels wherever you find them’ as Allah instructing muslims to kill infidels wherever they find them?

    Yes actually. Because nobody in the history of our Ummah interpreted it first off as referring to anybody but the pagans/polytheists and the majority opinion states that it only refers to those polytheists from the original Arab tribes within the confines of the Arabian peninsula (one of the schools says only the tribe of Quraysh). Do you know of any pagan Arabs? Tell them to stay the hell out of the peninsula because that ruling is still in effect.

    what we see with our own eyes isn’t actually happening.

    What you are seeing is an attempt at reformation gone seriously wrong. Stemming exactly from the mentality that joe shmoe abdullah can pick up the Qur’an and start deriving legal rulings – a complete break from our 14 century tradition.

    Are you not seeing thousands of Muslim soldiers from multiple nations in a join effort to rout out Daesh? Those are Muslim boots on the ground, chief.

    But I suspect that thousands of infidels like me are interested in what I have to say.

    Sure – you and your frat bros knock yourself out! Maybe you guys have awesomeness opinions on gravitational waves too or opinions on the latest studies in oncology. Maybe thousands of infidels care about that too.

    Your attempts at ‘Who do you believe – me or your lying eyes?’

    Nope – I’m referencing academic sources (even from non-Muslim researchers). You can read them yourself. If you are too lazy to be bothered about it – it’s your problem, not mine.

    just alienating more of us from you and your co-religionists

    No – plenty of non-Muslims even on this forum have thanked me for bringing a realistic and academic perspective from traditional (not modernist) Islam. It doesn’t jive with your narrative – that’s cool – again, don’t care. Even if you and people who agree with you kick us out of the West – doesn’t change anything – the rulings remain the same.

    So, please, keep it up.

    Aye, aye captain!

    The ‘peace’ that you offer is the peace of the grave.

    UNZ doesn’t provide “muh safe-spaces”, I think you are looking for another forum.

    Peace.

  91. “I’ve written previously that the figure of the ‘right wing extremist’ is largely mythical. Not only is this true in terms of the vulgar exaggeration of the threat of violence from the Right, but also because ’extremism’ is itself merely an invention of the late 20th-century Liberal state, which hubristically lays claim to define what is normal and natural.”

    This is absolutely true. The Germans, for obvious reasons, are the best at mythologizing and demonizing the right.

    See: http://fosterspeak.blogspot.com/2017/06/angela-merkel-stalin-in-drag.html

  92. @CanSpeccy

    I remember Bill Clinton defining globalism (back in the 90’s?):

    “It’s about one thing. Cheap labor”

    You can’t have those bothersome nation states defending the populations from rapacious capitalists. As you say, it’s been the plan for at least a century, and unfortunately it is working.

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  93. L.K says:
    @Che Guava

    Che Guava: “older jewish Dutch person.”

    I have read many of his posts and nothing in them indicates he is Jewish.
    To the contrary.
    If he is Jewish, he is one of those rare honest ones, aka, a self hating Jew.

    His posts are often interesting and informative… unlike yours.

    • Replies: @Che Guava
  94. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Epochehusserl

    Seeing as though american Indians constantly engaged in warfare, slavery and genocide against each other … which irredentist movement do you accept? Did it ever dawn on you that not all irredentist arguments are compatible with one another?

    So what? You’re either for the extinction of the North American Amerindians or you are not. American policy has consistently been for genocide through assimilation or extermination. I take it, so are you.

    Oddly, though, American Democrats are crazy for mass immigration of nationalistic Mexicans who are of largely Amerindian extraction. Yeah: Make America Mexico again.

    • Replies: @Epochehusserl
  95. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Chucky LeRoi

    “Unfortunately, it is working.”

    Yeah, but at least now it can seen to be working, which means that the European peoples can make and fight for the choice: Surrender your own posterity to people from elsewhere or fight the globalist traitors who serve the globalist Money Power: people like Bill Maher telling Americans not to have environment-destroying, “resource-sucking” children.

    • Replies: @Chucky LeRoi
  96. My hat is once again completely off to Ron Unz for this piece.
    Although I have learned nothing new from it, NOTHING, repeat NOTHING in the MSM copmes remotely close to it. The fact that he is a member of The Tribe that hubristically created Cultural Marxism and it’s [email protected] child PC, is all the more admirable, as he must by now be an outcaste with “friends” and relatives.
    I suspect that this “outcasteing” has given him the insight to defend the “ordinary” man who refuses to bow the knee to the elites.
    It’s hard, in any society, to make the moral choice and to become a steppenwolf, .

  97. Yes actually. Because nobody in the history of our Ummah interpreted it first off as referring to anybody but the pagans/polytheists and the majority opinion states that it only refers to those polytheists from the original Arab tribes within the confines of the Arabian peninsula (one of the schools says only the tribe of Quraysh).

    So that makes it all right, does it? The world’s first acceptable genocide, carried out by devout muslims, because pagans/polytheists/Arab peninsula.

    Nice religion you’ve got there. Can’t for the life of me understand why anyone would be concerned about it.

    • Replies: @Talha
  98. @anon

    Oh FFS!
    Waken up out of your party-loyalty stupor. Enoch Powell was the man who first invited immigration from the Carribean and Indian Sub-Continent. It was duly followed by Labour, and supported by the Liberals (the forerunners of the Lib-Dems). Powell at least had the integrity to denounce his own policy when he saw the vast numbers flooding in. He denounced it half-a century ago, when it would have been possible to reverse it with little or no loss of life.
    ALL of he mainstream parties have been pro-active for decades in either pro-actively promoting or tacitly enabling mass immigration.

  99. Talha says:
    @Stebbing Heuer

    Genocide didn’t happen – they all decided to convert instead because Arab paganism is stupid. Provide historical proof that a genocide occurred.

    But please make awesomeness noise at the UN for the right of return for Arab pagans to the peninsula – maybe you’ll find one or two as still alive because Arab paganism is totally in vogue.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Stebbing Heuer
  100. @CanSpeccy

    The third option other than assimilation or genocide is benign neglect which I am in favor of. If native Americans want the benefits of white civilization they should accept white standards or they can live as hunter gatherers like their people had before the white man came. The last thing we want is to turn the country into Venezuela.

  101. @CanSpeccy

    “…now it can be seen to be working.”

    The question seems to be how widely is this actually recognized, and how difficult it is to get people who don’t see this to recognize it. A calm, steady presentation of history and facts more often than not gets me a “you are effin’ nuts, buddy” response.

    There is an interesting discussion over on Consortium News (I think it’s in the comments on the article about the CIA methods coming from certain Nazi practices honed in Viet Nam/the Phoenix project. Sorry for the lack of link or direct citation. A very dis-spiriting read, though). The commenters are talking about the human capacity for denial. Trying to help those with addictive and destructive behavior or trying to change a comforting world view with what seems obvious after even a brief study “what has happened and what is happening now” seem equally futile. But I keep trying.

    The Europeans do seem intent on “surrendering their posterity”. Full disclosure, my wife is French, so we pay more attention there, but it seems common enough. They just elected a President who stated during the campaign that “there is no such thing as French culture.” (“But he is YOUNG!” someone just told me. That is a qualification for office?) And the culture Minister wants to raze Versailles.

    This seeming willingness to go along with the Plan because it is “modern” or “inevitable” is what escapes me.

    Sorry for the long rant…

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  102. @Talha

    So what you’re telling us is:

    1. when it suits him, Allah is quite happy to exhort his followers to genocide; the Koran says so, in clear, unambiguous, black and white text; and

    2. his followers are comfortable with that – it seems that receiving orders from above to murder en masse whole swathes of people is just part of the religion, and thus such orders arouse neither controversy nor revulsion among the followers of the prophet.

    Please, keep writing. You’re making my case for me.

    • Replies: @Talha
  103. Jeffna says:
    @Dan Hayes

    I agree that the tags, right wing, alt right, left wing are confusing. My belief is that we are all be played by The UK Corporate State in The City of London. They run all the psychops against the population with drugged weak people and are evil Satanists telling the London Main Stream Media to destroy; Christianity, family loyalty, morality, sense of what is right & wrong, racial confusion, gender confusion, disinformation & diversions from their War & Fraud.
    So who actually was it that thought it would be a good idea to put homicidal psychopathic maniacs in charge?

  104. Talha says:
    @Stebbing Heuer

    No – what I am saying is that God had mercy on the Quraysh and the other pagans of Arabia. In the past, if you stood up against one of His divinely sent emissaries – then He reserved the right (which He exercised at times) to wipe you out utterly and leave not even a whisper of your existence except as a footnote in His revelation. The Quraysh and their confederates were not innocent neutrals. You don’t stand up to God – it’s a really, really stupid thing to do – He isn’t a chump. But the Arabs came to their senses and ditched paganism and didn’t look back.

    If God gave us orders to wipe out people en masse, we would have no recourse but to comply – feelz has nothing to do with it. He has not given such orders however – any more than He gave us orders to eat our first born – except in your head. The pagan Arabs were given the option of; convert, leave or fight for the right to stay – they wisely did the first.

    You don’t have a case – the verses apply to a non-existent people. Like I said – good luck at the UN and making your case for pagan Arab advocacy there.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Che Guava
  105. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Chucky LeRoi

    President [Macron] who stated during the campaign that “there is no such thing as French culture.” (“But he is YOUNG!” someone just told me. That is a qualification for office?) And the culture Minister wants to raze Versailles.

    Echoing Justin Trudeau, speaking with the NY Times:

    “There is no core identity, no mainstream in Canada” making Canada, “the first post-national state.”

    So the traitors are identifying themselves now. And just as nearly 50 million Americans voted against Hillary, a whole lot of Canadians ( a large majority, I would bet) despise Trudeau.

    It’s true that there is still widespread willingness to go along with the plan, but that is mostly a a matter of virtue signalling by foolish people or self-serving behavior by minority groups avid to gain the upper hand.

    But the scale appears about to tip:

    look at how stupid Hillary Clinton now appears, not to say how corrupt;

    Look how Tony Blair has ceased to be a person of significance despite his lust once more to wield power, or at least have the appearance of wielding power if only as a well-paid puppet of the globalist elite.

    • Replies: @Chucky LeRoi
  106. mcohen says:

    Talha.

    Why did islam split into 2 groups.any universal truth remains whole.there is no seperate interpretation.water is water.a rock is a rock.is it G-ds will that sunni and shite kill each other.

    And also are Buddhists pagans.there are 500 million of them.imagine 500 million people.biiiiiiiiiigggggg number

    Does G-d love them.
    Talhahaha

    And Buddhism is 2500 years old.you think that by now they would have been wiped out.

    Naughty pagans talhahahaha

    Do not reply.just think about these questions

  107. Anonym says:
    @Anonymous

    Darren Osborne is a murderer. This article comes irresposibly close to endorsing the random murder of a muslim because of Islamic terrorism. Following the same logic, a muslim would be entitled to randomly murder a Christian in revenge for Darren Osborne’s actions. The best defence for Christian civilization is to behave as a civilised Christian. Murder and hatred are sins in Christianity.

    That is the logic behind guerilla resistance to any invasion, even if it is facilitated by the Traitor Class, as other commentors have put it. It suits a case where you have a good solid majority of a people who have lived in a country for hundreds or thousands of years, and an occupying force that may have some collaborators with the regime. (In this case you have the Traitor Class who have invited the invaders in. It doesn’t matter.)

    Attacks against the invaders invite reprisal attacks from the invaders that are often fairly random in nature. This turns the population against the invaders and encourages more recruits into the resistance, a nascent movement of freedom fighters. What begins as acts from a small group evolves into guerilla warfare and may eventually scale to conventional warfare, at which the invaders are driven out.

    On the second point, the idea that killing has no place in Christianity is well contested. Pope Urban II gave some good arguments here:

    https://sourcebooks.fordham.edu/source/urban2a.html

    Deus Vult!

    • Replies: @joe webb
  108. Anonym says:
    @SteveRogers42

    There were 44k suicides in the USA in 2015. 70% of those were white men. That means there were 30k white men throwing their lives away for no good reason, in a population of 200M whites. In the UK, there are 50M white people, so there are likely about 8k such white men, 8k potential Darren Osbornes every year.

    https://afsp.org/about-suicide/suicide-statistics/

  109. @Anonym

    I am not disagreeing with you but people are brainwashed and demoralized. Most white people have not educated themselves on the issues on the history of the civil rights movement. Most people do not know there were civil rights acts in 57 and 91. What the alt right needs to do now is begin an educational campaign that pokes fun at MLK and his joke of a movement. Not in a cruel way but there is a lot of stupidity out there. Baby boomers are very quick to put white men in their place for not honoring their spiritual legacy. We must delegitimize their legacy.

    • Replies: @JackOH
  110. @CanSpeccy

    Thanks for giving me some small amount of hope. You are correct in that Blair seems to have disappeared. I did hear his name connected to some “news” item a few weeks back, but I don’t even remember what it was. I’ll take that as a good sign.

    I live in an area where the act of pointing out Hillary’s corruption (again, just pointing out the facts) gets a person pasted with all the usual labels: Russian stooge, Nazi, misogynist, and my favorite – racist. I think the ” reasoning” is being against a corrupt ultra-capitalist makes you automatically for the other corrupt capitalist who we can label a racist as he is a boorish loudmouth. Or something like that. Any glimmer of hope is appreciated.

    As for Trudeau, I had not heard his particular piece of eloquence. Wouldn’t “post-national state” be an oxymoron, or a contradiction in terms? Unless we are talking police state, or a state of mind. Or was he admitting he is the Prime Minister of Nothing? No ideas necessary, I’m just here to look good, a place holder while the Plan keeps running.

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  111. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Chucky LeRoi

    In the outcome of political projects there is no certainty. That must be so, for otherwise there would be no wars, no elections, no national heroes, no great leaders. In that uncertainty, all can take hope that their enemies will fail, and their own cause with triumph.

    Hillary’s party did not believe it possible that they could lose to the clown Trump, but they were trounced. The media, that were only a year ago assumed to dictate how most people think, are now the fake media: CNN, the Clinton News Network; ABC, Always Broadcasting Crap; BBC, Buggering British Children, etc.

    In Britain, the Corbyn-led Labour Party was supposed to go down to humiliating defeat in this month’s election, an outcome in which Tony Blair saw a chance to recapture the leadership of the party and “seize the middle ground,” i.e., move the Party to a globalist extreme on trade and immigration. Instead, the Tories lost their majority and Corbyn is seen to have a chance to become Prime Minister within months. Blair thus became a person of no account, rejected by all and sundry, confirming his reputation as “the man who was the future once.”

    And now, as mass immigration risks the Islamization of Europe, globalization threatens the destruction of Western civilization, a threat that must prompt many advocates of globalization to rethink their position.

  112. If God gave us orders to wipe out people en masse, we would have no recourse but to comply – feelz has nothing to do with it. He has not given such orders however – any more than He gave us orders to eat our first born – except in your head.

    He has done so. He has given many such orders, not in my head, but in the Koran, unambiguously and in black and white. I listed them for you above. And they aren’t footnoted or followed up with ‘This order only applies to the muppet pagans and polytheists in the Arab Peninsula’. Allah, of all authors, deserves our taking him seriously and at his word, and he says ‘infidels’, or ‘unbelievers’. That is, anyone who isn’t a muslim. The re-interpretation by scholars is, to me, self-serving bullshit designed to gaslight yourselves and others from acknowledging the horrible truth that Allah commands genocide of all who do not submit. Even were the scholars correct, and even if genocide were averted by the pagans converting en masse, the Koranic verse remains an unambiguous command to genocide of non-muslims, which still stands today in the Koran. Like I said, nice religion you’ve got there.

    Your not having recourse but to comply with these and other exhortations is what makes many westerners concerned about islamic immigration.

    The pagan Arabs were given the option of; convert, leave or fight for the right to stay – they wisely did the first.

    A list of options soon to be given to western Europeans.

    Peace

    Solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant.

    • Replies: @Talha
  113. JackOH says:
    @Epochehusserl

    You’re right, Epochehusserl. The solution to the customary, voluntaristic judging of people by the color of their skin by real estate agents and employers in the 1950s has been for our mad government to mandate the compulsory judging of people by the color of their skin, the disposition of their genitalia, and so on, enforced by the police powers of the state. Somehow I don’t think that’s what MLK, Jr. had in mind.

    I’m also seeing some sketchy, slippery slope-type connection between affirmative action and immigration concerns here. A people that allows its government to suppress and criminalize ordinary relations among men and women and peoples of different races, which is what affirmative action has done, is politically ripe for “race replacement” immigration that’s talked about here.

    Many good comments here beneath Mr. Joyce’s excellent essay. Again, Mr. Osborne ought to be judged for his criminal act, but there’s no doubt in my mind he felt himself to be an alien in his own country, betrayed by his government and the moral sloth of his fellow citizens.

    • Replies: @Epochehusserl
  114. Talha says:
    @Stebbing Heuer

    Hey Stebbing Heuer,

    He has done so. He has given many such orders, not in my head, but in the Koran, unambiguously and in black and white…. the Koranic verse remains an unambiguous command to genocide of non-muslims, which still stands today in the Koran.

    Oh noes! Some random poster on the internet has actually discovered the correct interpretation of the Qur’an based on bad English translations of the verses. Oh. My. God!

    You’re absolutely right, how could I have possibly believed the lies of those Muslim scholars for all those years. How did they all miss this so clearly??!! All of them! It must have been taqqiyah! My faith is now shattered – I think I should go apostate and cry in the corner now.

    Dude you should really take this line of reasoning to all the 1.6+ billion Muslims in the world – there are lots of genocidal souls to save! Please help them they are being lied to by their scholars – only you, with your awesomeness true understanding of the Qur’an can reach them!

    Peace – please help us, random White guy who doesn’t know a lick of Arabic – we need to be saved from ourselves!

    • Replies: @Stebbing Heuer
  115. @JackOH

    Correct. Non-whites are being brought in to do the jobs that whites won’t do such as filling racial quotas. Reagan was the last conservative to fight quotas.

    • Replies: @JackOH
  116. Che Guava says:
    @L.K

    Well. thanks. I make many informing posts. I can’t help it if you are too stupid or pre-programmed to see.

    The surname Dykstra is lewish, QED.

  117. @Talha

    Some random poster on the internet has actually discovered the correct interpretation of the Qur’an based on bad English translations of the verses.

    They’re all consistent, the good and the bad. You only think they’re bad because neither they nor the Arabic original tell the story that you wish were true.

    You’re absolutely right, how could I have possibly believed the lies of those Muslim scholars for all those years. How did they all miss this so clearly??!! All of them! It must have been taqqiyah!

    Not all of them: https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Bakr_al-Baghdadi

    It might have been Taqqiyah – how could we tell otherwise?

    Dude you should really take this line of reasoning to all the 1.6+ billion Muslims in the world – there are lots of genocidal souls to save! Please help them they are being lied to by their scholars – only you, with your awesomeness true understanding of the Qur’an can reach them!

    Peace – please help us, random White guy who doesn’t know a lick of Arabic – we need to be saved from ourselves!

    You’ve got me wrong. I couldn’t give a crap about any of you. You can all go to hell for all I care. My aim is to wake non-muslims up to the threat that islam poses to them.

    • Replies: @Talha
  118. @KenH

    It is remarkable how carelessly people expose the weaknesses of their intellect and character by casual defamation (as your BS is certainly intended to be) of people aboot whom they could readily discover the truth. Amber Rudd is *not* Jewish. So why do you say she is and treat it as important?

  119. Che Guava says:
    @Talha

    Tra-la-la (pbuh ) is again revealing true colours.

    I am happy when he loses it in a rant like this. It is the historical reality, instead of the bullshit.

    • Replies: @Talha
  120. Talha says:
    @Che Guava

    Awww – you mad bro?

    Peace.

  121. joe webb says:

    all lib weeny talk, even here at Unz…the only way right now is what I have stated several times.

    Let the law change…all those dreaming about saucy virgins just waiting for them in the Great Beyond, will be informed that their parents, and friends and relatives will be jailed for 25 years or more if they suicide bomb themselves and kill innocents.

    This is more effective than killing their kin outright.

    the next stage
    is removal of all muzzies to their southern homes…all of them, including dear Talha, the talking points gal.

    Joe Webb

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Anon
  122. joe webb says:
    @Anonym

    no, it is not murder, it is war. Enemies, Enemies, Enemies…must be killed or otherwise effectively dealt with. Enemies Out. Joe Webb

    • Replies: @Ace
  123. Talha says:
    @joe webb

    Hey JW – you’re back!

    all of them, including dear Talha

    No problem – get me the Federal notice Joe – I ain’t gonna fight – promise!

    the talking points gal

    I have been declared transgendered…

    Peace.

  124. Talha says:
    @Stebbing Heuer

    Hey Stebbing,

    tell the story that you wish were true

    You are right – I have totally been turned – I wish the Quraysh had been given ice cream after kicking the Muslims out of Mecca and rallying the tribes against them. That is the only proper way to deal with enemies – I’m glad I have you to guide me. Your words have struck me like a light. Like a Buick Le Sabre careening out of the fog and into a crowd of elderly hijabis – you words have struck home.

    This morning at eid prayer, that imam guy said stuff about being kind to all neighbors whether they were Muslim or not – but now I know better – I am woke – woke! That guy went to study on Bangladesh under traditional scholars so I know he is totally taqiyyah.

    I couldn’t give a crap about any of you.

    No, no – please. We need you give a crap. We need you to give more craps. Without all your crap, I wouldn’t have been woke – woke! Without your crap, Europe is doomed. You need to spread your crap all over the continent!

    My aim is to wake non-muslims up to the threat that islam poses to them.

    This should be easy – if you have convinced a person such as myself who has trained under three Hanafi muftis, that should be a piece of cake. You need to let them know, if Muslims take over, there will be no gay pride parades – totally sucks, bro!
    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/06/25/lgbt-activists-prevented-from-assembling-in-istanbul.html

    So, here’s the deal. I need your help going under cover. I’m going to still pretend being a Muslim guy who posts academic stuff on UNZ and other sites. But I’m going to pretend too put you on my “Don’t Waste My Time” list because I can’t blow my cover. So don’t reply to me and don’t feel bad if I ignore you. You understand – if word gets around that I’ve apostatized, then my uncle won’t let let me have fun time with his pet black goat (who is also my cousin)*.

    But you and your frat bros should do as much as you can to get people woke – woke! Because the one guy who got it might have just have gotten whacked by those darned Russkies:
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-baghdadi-russia-idUSKBN19E0PI

    Peace.

    *I can give up some things, but you know what they say:
    “Once you goat black, you don’t goat back!”

    • Replies: @Stebbing Heuer
  125. JackOH says:
    @Epochehusserl

    I can only speculate what our America would have been like if Whites and a few far-sighted Blacks could have anticipated the toxin that affirmative action is. Over the dam, under the bridge. Thanks for your good comments on the subject on Unz.

  126. @JackOH

    This is a comment I made in an unz article entitled The USA as a communal apartment
    —————-
    This is a good article so it seems that we are finally getting to the bottom of the significance of the civil rights movement. The purpose of the civil rights movement and the doctrine of disparate impact is to undermine the idea of private property and the legal concepts of consent and consideration. It is not as simple as saying that women and minorities were “denied” a position on the other end someone has to offer it – at one time private property, liberty of contract and freedom of association were upheld to be sacrosanct principles. There are two ways of organizing society – status or contract as Sir Henry Maine stated in his book on principles on ancient law. In our disparate impact society any legal entity that does anything the civil rights leaders dont like (which cannot be defined ahead of time) is subject to legal extortion. Highly paid experts who produce nothing of value spend their lives trying to avoid and rationalize this extortion.
    ————

  127. @JackOH

    Actually there was some princiapled resistance to these ideas. Barry Goldwater opposed title 7 because he thought it was unconstitutional. John Tower inserted a clause allowing employment testing because Motorola was harassed in Illinois for “racist” employment hiring standards. Section 703j of title 7 of the civil rights act explicitly forbids the usage of quotas to correct an imbalance but that section has never been followed to at least from my understanding. The eeoc’s own website claims that the doctrine of disparate impact arose from the courts and not the legislature and it is unlikely that the cra of 64 would have passed had it contained the phrase. If the alt right is going to make any headway at all this history must be explained to people. Richard Spencer message of we are conquerors isn’t going to resonate with most people. With trillions in unpaid student loans we can have a discussion. Why not advocate for afqt to be universally validated by the eeoc for employment selection for example? If it is ok for the army to select its personnel using this method then the sky wouldn’t fall if Wal-Mart used the same tests. We also need a tax system that is more friendly to small businesses as well so everybody doesn’t have to work for Wal-Mart or a large organization in the first place.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @JackOH
  128. Talha says:
    @epochehusserl

    More good points, thanks – I agree the Alt-Right has to start thinking substantively along these lines and move beyond platitudes and sound bites. Can property rights be reclaimed on principle such that people are not forced to sell or provide service to those they don’t want or localities can prevent anyone they want from moving into their locales? Sometimes it seems that some of these Alt-Right guys are simply using the platform to get their 15 minutes of fame.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Epochehusserl
  129. @Talha

    Respecting property rights is beyond the pale at this point. I don’t think that people should be forced to cooperate with others if their conscience doesn’t allow it. Blm is now claiming that the nuclear family is a western imposition. I’m sorry I don’t want the whole world to be a black genderqueer safe space. I would probably prefer sharia to that. What I say to people is that everyone cannot be welcome everywhere under all circumstances and most people agree with that- so let’s have a discussion on boundaries, exclusions and the like. It’s hard to even broach the subject because people have not educated themselves on these issues. I made a remark at national review saying something against disparate impact and they agreed with me but said if you attempt to set up an organization without blacks in my city I will be at your door with a gun because blacks have their civil rights. Is he going to be at my door if I set up an organization that uses iq tests? There really is no civil rights movement without disparate impact.

    • Replies: @Talha
  130. @Talha

    All you have is sarcasm. Ad hominem attacks with the aim of distracting from the matter under discussion.

    I’ll know better next time.

    • Replies: @Talha
  131. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @joe webb

    their southern homes

  132. JackOH says:
    @epochehusserl

    Good comment. I recall a business guy in the 1980s or thereabouts working the talk show circuit in opposition to affirmative action. He’d written a book in the popular style (Shooting Ourselves in the Foot–I’m not sure) and made points very much the same as many of us make here. He was combative, and didn’t make a good impression, although he was probably right on the merits.

    I don’t think any of us fully grasped thirty years ago that our government is so damnably malignant that through legislation, Supreme Court decisions, and civil and criminal action, straight White guys would essentially have political targets on their backs in perpetuity. I don’t think anyone imagined an American government so odious it would maneuver straight White guys into the position, very roughly, of the bourgeoisie in the Soviet Union, a sort of permanent “essentialist” enemy of social justice.

    Having done a bit of small-time political work, I’ll add that affirmative action seems a superb bit of social control. You’re either a goodthinker who surrenders his moral autonomy and “self-demoralizes” (my made-up term), which makes “race replacement” hiring, gamed by our global masters, unstoppable. Or, you’re a KKK/Nazi nut job.

    Again, thanks for your good subject matter-specific comments.

    • Replies: @Epochehusserl
    , @Miro23
  133. Talha says:
    @Epochehusserl

    LOOOL!!!

    I’m sorry I don’t want the whole world to be a black genderqueer safe space.

    That is a bumper sticker waiting to happen with this image:
    http://www.troll.me/meme/dramatic-soap-opera-cat

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Epochehusserl
  134. Talha says:
    @Stebbing Heuer

    All you have is sarcasm.

    LOL! So I reply with academic references and point out the nuanced rulings in the historic schools of Islamic jurisprudence and all I have is sarcasm. All of which you dismiss while being enamored by your own uninformed opinion on the subject.

    This is what Bernard Lewis (Orientalist historian of Islam) had to say about the details and regulations of jihad:

    And he is the same person who has no problem pointing out that there is a very good brew for a civilizational conflict on the European continent between Muslims (especially that which is espoused by extremists) and the dying embers of Christendom:

    Here is a book that another UNZ reader recommended to me by the historian Hugh Kennedy:

    Ad hominem attacks

    I give you references to articles and books and the rulings of our ulema (the guardians of our sacred law and tradition) and you dismiss and insult them as taqqiyah-liars full of “self-serving bullshit”. You sought me out bro, I didn’t come to you. Don’t step into the ring or start a fight and then complain when you get punched in the face.

    I don’t know if you were raised in a household where you were told; sweetie, you’re special – your opinion is always important!

    It isn’t – nobody cares what you think. Or maybe it’s because when you say something about Islam, all your frat bros nod in agreement – so you think you know something.

    Don’t be lazy, put in some time, do some real research and then come with some game instead of this Mickey Mouse nonsense – especially if you want to accuse people of murderous genocide.

    Otherwise – don’t waste my time.*

    Peace.

    *Nudge, nudge, wink, wink. Sorry, dude-bro, I had to come at you like that, but I gotta make sure people don’t think we’re in cahoots – because I gotta have my goat lovin’:

    “Gimme that goat, goat lovin’ (goat lovin’)!”

    Next time – put some more feeling into it, like:
    “You accursed Muzzie – I hope you and your kids get raped by a gorilla and run over with a van!”

  135. @JackOH

    Actually the idea of attacking white straight men came from the Italian communist Antonio Gramsci. He thought that Christian sexual morals had to go in order to have a communist revolution, although other communists promoted free love such as Bella Kun before him (not to mention Aristophanes play Assemblywoman – there really is nothing new under the sun.) His idea of war of position and new proletariat are really what the intellectual origins of this are. It is too long to discuss here but here is a good link to further delve into these issues.

    http://ontology.buffalo.edu/smith/courses01/rrtw/Minogue.htm

    The article is by the late great conservative author Kenneth Minogue.

    • Replies: @JackOH
  136. @Talha

    It sounds like a joke Talha but it really isn’t. Suzanne Venker attempted to give a speech at Williams college in Connecticut and was initially cancelled. She is an antifeminist who wanted to talk about marriage and family, and was shut down by activists who thought that her presence threatened black/ Brown trans femme bodies who needed money for the revolution. This is exactly what the activists stated. The loose coalition of promiscuous sodomites, cockblocking spinsters and intellectuals who denounce iq tests have too much power in the west.

    • Replies: @Talha
  137. Talha says:
    @Epochehusserl

    Hey Epochehusserl,

    have too much power in the west

    And how! No doubt – I was very disturbed by the semi-rioting that happened in Berkeley trying to shut down speeches and also what happened to Charles Murray. They want to stifle even stable, academic, balanced voices on these subjects. But I think their militancy is going to cause people to pull away and will (hopefully) backfire on them.

    One note of interest; in my daughter’s high school, there are actually White ethnic clubs that are populated by Whites only. Clubs like the Serbian, Hellenic/Greek, Polish, etc. who are specifically founded to promote their unique ethno-linguistic culture and heritage. This is different from the French club, that my daughter is a part of which has all sorts of people in it who are interested in the language.

    So I asked her; do other ethnic students look down n those people or are they ostracized? She said; no – nobody thinks anything bad about the concept of those ethnic clubs or that they are weird or discriminatory. And this is a high school with a transgendered cheer leader.

    Interesting, no? Perhaps the weird thing happening in America is that Whites have become so de-racinated themselves from their original unique European backgrounds. For instance, even in the past, Italians, Germans, Swedes used to keep around their own – otherwise…trouble:

    I know in our community of Muslims, we have Indo-Pakistanis, Blacks, Bosnians, Arabs, White converts, etc. My daughter recently mentioned she was talking to her Bosnian friend and she mentioned that her dad would like her to marry a Bosnian in preference to others. Nobody I know thinks that’s anything weird or oppressive – you want your kids to carry on your unique culture, language, heritage – it’s understood as being a normal human trait. How can this be brought back as being something normal for other Americans to talk about again without being labelled as racist monsters?

    Just some thoughts, since you’ve been sharing yours.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Epochehusserl
  138. JackOH says:
    @Epochehusserl

    I sort of half-arsedly recall reading bits of Gramsci and the Frankfurt School folks when I was a youngster. Well, it looks like we’ve got Western governments that actively encourage ridding ourselves of all that brain goop about religion, family ties, ethnic and racial affinities, sexual continence, community solidarity, the whole lot. So why are we no closer to utopia? Rhetorical question, of course. Again, thanks for your acute comments on affirmative action, probably one of the great evils of our times.

  139. FredFish says:

    If terrorism has, “no backing in sacred law…”, why do so many Muslims kill, kidnap, rape, and torture those that don’t believe they same things they do? I’ve read the Koran, but have not had a ‘scholar’ interpret it for me, and there are many, many passages that encourage killing, raping, and torture.

    I have to call you and your source out on this, too: “terrorism and phenomena such as al-Qaeda or ISIS are new in the history of the Muslim world…”. Bullshit. Muslims have been killing others and each other since their prophet emerged from the underworld.

    • Replies: @Talha
  140. Talha says:
    @FredFish

    Hey FredFish,

    If terrorism has, “no backing in sacred law…”, why do so many Muslims kill, kidnap, rape, and torture those that don’t believe they same things they do?

    Because they aren’t following the sacred law. Why did Christians drop a nuclear bomb on two Japanese cities – is that backed by Christian doctrine? People tend to ignore principled moral limitations when it comes to war – this is nothing new.

    Why did Daesh kill 300 muftis and imams when it rolled into Iraq. Does sacred law sanction the killing of those who know it best?

    I’ve read the Koran, but have not had a ‘scholar’ interpret it for me

    There’s your problem right there. Do you think you should be allowed to read a surgery manual and start a knee surgery clinic out of your garage, just because some “doctors” haven’t taught or certified you?

    Muslims have been killing others and each other since their prophet emerged from the underworld.

    Everyone has been killing everyone else since time immemorial. Muslims are no different. We are not talking about what Muslims are doing (plenty also drink alcohol and fornicate), we are talking about what Islamic law sanctions; 1) it has never been a pacifist faith, 2) it has rules to warfare. There is no contradiction.

    your source

    My source is a world renowned expert on global jihadi movements and has been tracking them for decades and has written plenty of books:
    https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=dp_byline_sr_book_1?ie=UTF8&text=Olivier+Roy&search-alias=books&field-author=Olivier+Roy&sort=relevancerank

    He analyzed 100 people who joined Daesh or committed terrorism in Europe:
    “To summarise: the typical radical is a young, second-generation immigrant or convert, very often involved in episodes of petty crime, with practically no religious education, but having a rapid and recent trajectory of conversion/reconversion, more often in the framework of a group of friends or over the internet than in the context of a mosque. The embrace of religion is rarely kept secret, but rather is exhibited, but it does not necessarily correspond to immersion in religious practice….As we have seen, jihadis do not descend into violence after poring over sacred texts. They do not have the necessary religious culture – and, above all, care little about having one. They do not become radicals because they have misread the texts or because they have been manipulated. They are radicals because they choose to be, because only radicalism appeals to them. No matter what database is taken as a reference, the paucity of religious knowledge among jihadis is glaring.”
    https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/apr/13/who-are-the-new-jihadis

    Who are you? Why are you qualified to speak on the subject? Why should I listen to your opinion any more than that of my mechanic or plumber? Your mom or wife might be interested, but I’m neither.

    Peace.

  141. Miro23 says:
    @JackOH

    I don’t think anyone imagined an American government so odious it would maneuver straight White guys into the position, very roughly, of the bourgeoisie in the Soviet Union, a sort of permanent “essentialist” enemy of social justice.

    In Bolshevik Russia it was a cynical power game. The Bolshevik Jews couldn’t care less about the “working class” and themselves lived in style, taking over St Petersburg’s aristocratic mansions and themselves living as aristocrats. Lenin owned nine Rolls Royces.

    In his book celebrating the power of the Bolsheviks, Yuri Slezkine (“The Jewish Century”) recounts in detail how they enjoyed their new country dachas, Pushkin evenings and elite educational academies.

    Similarly the US PC leadership couldn’t care less about LGBT rights and Black Americans. What matters is their own elite status, and PC dogma is just a tool (same as the Bolsheviks Marxism) – to create a permanent “essentialist” enemy of social justice of the only group that could conceivably threaten them (in this case Anglo- Americans).

    • Replies: @JackOH
  142. Mary says:
    @Anonymous

    Osborne has not yet been to trial, he is not a murderer. There are charges against him that his actions somehow primarily caused the death of the man who had a heart attack prior to Osborne being in the area.
    His lawyer could make an excellent case that the incident was an accident as all the persons injured were in the middle of a small street at midnight.

  143. Anonymous [AKA "The tangled web"] says:

    Darren Osborne is an actor, he is giving a Masonic finger up in the photo not the muslim pointing at allah sign. He didn’t kill anyone and the whole incident was staged.
    The photo of the two policemen helping the muslim woman should tell you all you need to know.
    1: You don’t move injured people and certainly not the way they are.
    2: The police are moving her while two air ambulance men look the opposite way.
    3: She is holding a big sign with the number 2 on it. She is a crisis actor.
    4: There is no damage or even blood on the hire van

    Sounds incredible I know, but please check for yourself. We are constantly being sold these incidents as real by the jewish press and establishment. Most of them are entirely fabricated.

  144. JackOH says:
    @Miro23

    ” . . . PC dogma is just a tool . . .”. Agree 100%, and, regrettably, a damnably effective one, too. For the working politician, it’s very useful to have schemes that give the appearance of liberality (or even liberation, as in Marx) in intent, while concealing the enormous illiberality of how you’ll be doing it, and shunting your opponents into the reactionary, xenophobic, racist, Nazi/KKK looney bin.

    BTW-I sort of looked again at my comment above that there may be a slippery-slope connection between affirmative action and indiscriminate mass immigration, or “race replacement” immigration/hiring. I don’t have any evidence or argument, but it’s at least plausible to imagine corporations telling government: “Hey, we’re playing ball with you on affirmative action. Diversity is really important to us. We want even more opportunities to demonstrate how diversity is important to us. So, can you help us more with getting more migrants and H1Bs?”

    Again, I’m not sure MLK, Jr. could have imagined an idea to help Dujuan in the ‘hood could have morphed into a formula for–how do you put it nicely–national dissolution in the service of global economic interests.

    • Agree: Talha
  145. Liza says:
    @Anonymous

    ” Murder and hatred are sins in Christianity.” Yes, they are. And that is why Christians are at a disadvantage when they are forced to live under the same government as non-Christians, who don’t have the same sense of morality. What do you suggest Christians do? Pretend they are not being persecuted?

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  146. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Liza

    ” Murder and hatred are sins in Christianity.”

    Nah, that’s quite untrue. Why do you think the Christian Bible includes the Jewish Holy scripture? Obviously, it’s to justify Christians turning Jewish and killing their enemies as needed.

    • Replies: @Liza
  147. Liza says:
    @CanSpeccy

    Well, I never thought about it that way!

  148. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @RW

    But peaceful resistance, a la Ghandi or King, does not work without the threat of violence …

    Correct. And Ghandi did not believe in peaceful resistance to violence.

    He said:

    I WOULD risk violence a thousand times rather than risk the emasculation of a whole race.

    and

    I do believe that where there is only a choice between cowardice and violence I would advise violence …”

  149. CanSpeccy says: • Website

    It will be instructive to see how Osborne is treated by the British state. Will he be declared insane and unfit to plead. That would really be the best outcome for the PC State, no need then to deal with whatever motivation a British citizen might have to kill a bunch of settlers of an alien race and culture. Alternatively, will he be persuaded to offer some pathetic excuse: “I just meant to scare them,” or “My foot slipped from the break to the accelerator.”

    Certainly, it will be an astonishing failure of the manipulative state if Osborne declares before the court that he acted in the interests of the British people who are under a genocidal assault by their own ruling elite to suppress their fertility and replace them with people from elsewhere.

    My bet is he’ll receive the Emma West treatment. No court appearance for months or years, while people forget the incident, and then a plea of diminished responsibility by virtue of mental illness.

  150. @Talha

    As long as the liberals are in charge not much can be done. Plan for civil war.

    • Replies: @Talha
  151. Talha says:
    @Epochehusserl

    Hey Epochehusserl,

    Can’t speak for everyone, but if it comes down to a hot civil war along racial/ethnic lines, I’d rather not stick around. I care too much for the US to be participating in it becoming a free-fire zone. And those kinds of wars are brutal and often force people to do things that are completely immoral. I’d rather lose whatever paltry piece of the world I’ve gathered in this life and escape with my soul intact.

    Peace.

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  152. @Talha

    As long as the government continues to push incompatible people together and provides no way for people to be able to agree to disagree then expect conflict.

  153. Ace says:
    @Jason Liu

    Two excellent points.

  154. Ace says:
    @Anonymous

    I’m not sure I’m being quite fair but your comment reminds me of movies where some citizen manages to knock down and temporarily daze a vicious opponent. Instead of finding the nearest 2X4 and taking care of business, he runs off to be pursued again in short order by his enemy.

    And of Chuck Norris who DOES TCOB with a bunch of miscreants in one of his movies but then drops the beautiful samurai sword on the ground, the sword that just enabled him to save his skin, like it’s a dead skunk. Eeeuw. Chuck, of all people.

    I’d write a script that has him kissing the blade, holding it up to the sun, and cleaning it for two hours. And denying his enemies a decent burial.

  155. Ace says:
    @joe webb

    Technically it’s murder for which the defense is justification.

  156. Ace says:
    @jilles dykstra

    We don’t have to neutralize Islam, just as we have no need to neutralize voodoo, or the burning of witches and cannbalism of albinos in Africa.

    All we need to do is remove Muslims from our midst and not be so stupid as to invite them into our lands.

    The west fawns over Muslims. Any difficulties we create for Muslims in their lands pale in significance compared to 1400 years of Muslim rape, slaughter, theft, slavery, terror, and degradation of non-Muslims.

    Please spare me the “poor Muslim” and “Catholics are like Muslims” jokes.

  157. Ace says:
    @Binyamin

    And how do you propose to reverse the movement to the inevitable Muslim takeover of the flabby, supine, cringing West? Please be specific.

    As the West goes under will you be one of those who says we were moral and obeyed our leaders to the end?

  158. Ace says:
    @CanSpeccy

    The Treason Class is very real, however the great majority to which you refer is supine and feeble. Time after time they crush the nationalist parties with their joyous support for the traitors. Wilders and Le Pen were ignored. The Sweden Democrats are insignificant. Merkel is still chancellor and will be again.

    The US electorate came within a whisker of electing a corrupt, psychopathic feminist with a Muslim gal pal and politicians here still have no fear of talking about a “comprehensive” immigration solution.

  159. Ace says:
    @Talha

    Well said, Talha, but the reality is that you and your reasonable friends are a minority and an invisible one at that. You are insignificant just as the Azzams and other murdered imams were.

    The Muslims in Western public life are insufferable trolls agitating for shariah and special rights. The idea of assimilation to them is anathema, if you’ll pardon the expression. 80% of new mosques in the US are financed by Saudi salafists. No-go areas are de rigeur everywhere. Terror exists in the West where it never did before. Scumbag Muslim advocacy organizations lobby for supremacist positions without protest from “moderates.”

    Muslim polities are hell holes, Pakistan second only to SA. Killing of apostates and “blasphemers” there is a national sport and physics students think earthquakes are caused by Allah. The Grand Mufti of SA believes the earth is flat.

    On top if which we have 1400 years of Muslim conquest, slaughter, divinely-sanctioned rape and adultery, slavery, theft, misogyny, degradation of dhimmis, and obscurantism.

    How do you think thus is going to turn out, Talha? Your “bug not a feature” arguments for the wonders of islam are wearing pretty thin. Horror and islam go hand in hand and always will despite the existence of decent Muslims. It took them about a century but the demented managed to whittle away at Ataturk’s legacy till they got the caliph back. Regression in the Muslim world is like kudzu in North Carolina.

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