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One of the most astonishing news stories I have read of late appeared in Business Insider at the beginning of February entitled “ ‘ The Russians are going to have a cow’: the U.S.’s message to Putin ‘is a really big deal.’” The article described how the Barack Obama Administration has decided to build up “its military presence in Eastern Europe in an effort to deter Russian aggression in the region.” The “cow” and “big deal” verbal effusions were attributed to Evelyn Farkas, who, until recently was the Pentagon’s “top policy official on Russia and Ukraine.” Farkas, for what it’s worth, is of Hungarian descent and has made a career out of being suspicious of Russia. She has the usual credentials in academia so admired by the Obamaites and has served in host of government bubbles but never been in the military. As is all too often the case she and her peers will not be wearing the boots on the ground if the United States goes to war over giving Moscow a “cow.”

According to the article, the U.S. will quadruple its military spending in Europe up to $3.4 billion for fiscal year 2017. The extra money will provide heavy weapons and armored vehicles, including tanks, to America’s Eastern European associates in NATO and also to non-allies including Georgia, Moldova and Ukraine. Unlike previous assistance to Ukraine, the new weapons are both lethal and capable of being used offensively. The United States has also committed itself to bolstering its own presence in former Warsaw Pact states to include Poland, Hungary, and the Baltic Republics through an increase in bi- and multi- lateral training exercises in those countries. American soldiers will be eye-to-eye with those of Russia in a confrontation not seen since the Cold War ended.

The article cites Tony Badran of the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies (FDD), who claims that “Russia is of course trying to leverage the entire intervention [in Syria] as a way to lap up as much real estate in the Middle East as possible.” The FDD is, of course, a neocon outfit, which is not noted in the article, and the implausible suggestion that Moscow wants to obtain “real estate” in the Middle East which would be an enormous burden and liability is given a pass without even the slightest editorial objection or contrary comment.

The article also quotes an anonymous senior administration official who explains that the more aggressive approach “reflects a new situation, where Russia has become a more difficult actor,” referring again to Syria and also to Ukraine. Well, maybe so if one reads the New York Post or watches a steady diet of Fox news it would be possible to come to that conclusion, but there are other issues at play, including genuine western threats on Russia’s own doorstep combined with the inability of a financial stretched Russia to engage in imperial ventures anywhere.

Moscow is in Syria because the rise of a new Islamic militancy close to its own heavily Muslim federate states in the Caucasus is a definite threat. It did not initiate the crisis in that region which was instead the fault of Washington due to its ill-advised 2003 invasion of Iraq, creating a power vacuum and empowering terrorist groups seeking to take advantage of the chaos.

Nor did Moscow initiate the political crisis in Ukraine, which was also enabled by the United States. Russia admittedly subsequently annexed Crimea, which is a vital strategic interest as it includes Moscow’s major warm water naval base, but it can hardly be seen as a move motivated by desire to be expansionistic. Crimea was, in fact, Russian territory for over two hundred years before it was administratively ceded to Ukraine by the old Soviet Union in 1954 so it is not as if there was no legitimate claim to the area when Ukraine turned hostile to Moscow egged on by the State Department’s Victoria Nuland and others.

Moscow is guilty of not playing by America’s rules. As former senior CIA officer Graham Fuller puts it…today, although neocons in Washington will disagree, it is hard to build a credible case that Russia—under Putin or any likely leader—is gearing up to invade Eastern much less Western Europe. But yes, Russia is determined to maintain regional sway—as other great powers do in their backyards, especially when distant powers intrude.”

Simplistic analysis that leads to a preordained conclusion contrary to what Fuller has cogently observed is expected in the mainstream media but the foreign policy consensus promoted by Washington is striking in terms of its internal contradictions. Indeed, if anyone at this late date really needed any evidence that the United States government is staffed by lunatics this article about delivering cows should have been enough to change the mind of even the most stalwart advocate of the progressive nirvana launched by the pledge of “Change We Can Believe In.”

Frequenters of this site are no doubt already aware that when the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991 the western powers, most notably the United States, pledged not to take advantage of the situation by initiating a military expansion into Eastern Europe, which Russia would have to correctly perceive as threatening given its own vulnerability at that time. The dauntless globalist Bill Clinton broke that promise, enabling the 1999 accession of Poland, Hungary, and the Czech Republic followed by the addition of seven Central and Eastern European countries: Bulgaria, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Slovakia, Estonia and Slovenia in 2004. Russia protested but did otherwise not react.

In 2008, Georgia, bolstered by pledges of support from neocons in the U.S. as well as from demented Senators like John McCain, fought Russian troops over two disputed enclaves South Ossetia and Abkhazia. McCain was led to declare that “We are all Georgians now” but a cease fire was quickly arranged by France and Russia withdrew its soldiers. Fortunately, most Americans did not see that fighting Russia over Georgia was much of a priority and the U.S. avoided another foreign policy disaster, but more was to come in Ukraine starting in late 2013.

Ukraine was deliberately destabilized by Washington by way of the infusion of $5 billion supporting “democracy building.” Again the cry went up that “we are all Ukrainians.” The second time around worked out better for the hawks and the Ukrainian cause has been surfacing in the presidential debates. Hopefully it will eventually go the way of the manufactured Georgian crisis.

It might also be noted that it is just possible that Washington is seeking to repeat its destruction of the Soviet Union by outspending Moscow in hopes that President Vladimir Putin will seek to compete and bankrupt his country. If that is so, the crafty Putin is unlikely to take the bait and it is more than likely that the net result will be the U.S. going even deeper in debt for no purpose whatsoever, reminiscent of any number of foreign policy failures over the past fifteen years. And meanwhile the wealthy European countries will breathe a sigh of relief as Washington again rides to the rescue in defending the continent from the Red Menace.

What Farkas and company fail to see is that the United States might well have some outstanding issues with Vladimir Putin’s Russia but Moscow does not pose a threat to the U.S. On the contrary, it is Washington that poses a threat to Russia and any number of other countries through its presumption that it has a right to intervene in the affairs of other nations whenever it is so inclined. Moscow is neither able nor disposed towards become an enemy unless it is backed into a corner and something goes nuclear. That would, incidentally, destroy the United States so where is the frisson of excitement in Russia being presented with a “cow?” Beats me.

 
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  1. Diversity is unstable. Syria is being ripped apart by diversity. Diversity also undermines democracy since people vote along ethnic than ethic lines.

    Empires are unstable because they rule over diverse peoples. So, empires eventually break apart into more homogeneous units called nations that are more stable.

    Jews say ‘diversity is our strength’, and by ‘our’, they mean their own, not everybody’s. As ruling minority elites, Jews fear a united homogeneous gentile majority. So, Jews seek to increase diversity among their gentile subjects and set them against one another, just like British imperialist elites manipulated and exploited diversity in India to make various groups distrust one another than unite together to overthrow British rule.

    Anyway, if empires are unstable because of diversity and eventually break into smaller national units, then nations are stable because they are more homogeneous.

    Given that the whole point of nationhood was to reject and depart from the troublesome diversity of empire, it makes no sense to increase diversity within the nation. That way, a nation just turns into a mini-empire,and again you have instability.

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  2. “Indeed, if anyone at this late date really needed any evidence that the United States government is staffed by lunatics this article about delivering cows should have been enough to change the mind of even the most stalwart advocate of the progressive nirvana launched by the pledge of “Change We Can Believe In””

    I do believe we could use some ‘real change you can believe in’ (Kirby is moved over to the Department of State these days) … like General Officers with an IQ higher than 90 (if Kirby could score that.) Really. Kirby comes off like I.R. Baboon faced with a rubik cube.

    Insofar as ‘lunatics’, it’s hard to believe the heads of the several NATO nation’s intelligence agencies would fare much better when it come to measuring ‘common sense’ (has there been a test developed for that one yet?) Or better, could we somehow measure these people’s rank criminality?

    “Ninewa today is one of the last bastions of al-Qaeda in Iraq, and its blessing of the KRG-ExxonMobil deal is significant in terms of security”

    Did oilprice.com just say “al-Qaida in Iraq” gave a ‘security’ blessing to a Kurdish Regional Government deal with an oil company? I believe they did. Who is ‘al-Qaida in Iraq’ these days? Why it’s been recently re-branded as Islamic State

    Read more:

    http://ronaldthomaswest.com/2015/11/29/whereas-the-enemy-of-your-friend-is-your-favorite-fk/

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  3. Hollywood to the rescue?

    Anyone who sees lots of movies would have seen a lot of Russian bad guys in those movies over the last few years.

    Probably even more bad ‘Russkies’ than the other group we’re supposed to hiss, Muslims.

    The Pentagon has over 800 military bases around the world, and adding more each year. Russia has less than 10.

    So who’s really doing the threatening?

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  4. The experts will gladly tell you that that early promise to not expand NATO to the east was not in writing, and therefore has no effect, the same way they assert that the Agreement on the sovereign borders of Ukraine was in writing and should govern notwithstanding a local vote to secede, but that everyone should overlook the support that was given for Kosovo to secede despite the various written charters they will assert apply when it is convenient. You see, unlike the Russians, the US had its fingers crossed, so that trumps all, no pun intended.

    What Putin needs to do is either borrow the precedent of the Monroe doctrine and tell everyone else to back off, or he needs a few new bases in latin America.

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  5. “…the crafty Putin…”

    I am brilliant.
    You are intelligent.
    He is crafty.

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  6. Whenever someone mentions how the US and its new East-European allies feel threatened by Russia, I remember my childhood in a rough neighborhood. There were street tugs, that is bullies, somewhat older boys who had been in correction facilities before and did not care if they would end back there again. If you were unlucky enough to carry anything of value, such as LP records, or books or Marvel cartoons or anything else desirable to children, you would get stopped, be given a dose of humiliation and then have your valuables taken. But, there was one particularly nasty bully with a knack for making a special kind of show, he would moan and wiggle as if in pain: “Do not hit me, please!, all the while hitting you as if he was defending himself from your attacks and hitting you back in self-defense. He was doing this not out of fear of the authorities, then out of a pure desire to be humorous, to admire his own originality and inventiveness, and to have more fun than any other bully.

    Usrael reminds me so much of this special street bully, a much smaller boy Russia is a threat to it. It wiggles and moans in pain of being attacked and annexed in Crimea by an aggressive Russia all the while savaging Ukraine’s democracy by paying for a Neo-Nazi coup and killing thousands of Russians in Eastern Ukraine. Poor global bully, somebody offered him a bit of resistance in Ukraine and in Syria.

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  7. When the U.S.Government has aquired Earth dominance I’m sure they will start pissing-off the rest of the Milky Way.

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  8. The reason Russia makes for a good enemy is because of PC, its white. Making China for example the “big bad” simply will not work because the racism accusations will defeat all propaganda attempts against China.

    There is however now a unique problem with making out Russia as evil incarnate, the type that usually would hang out at places like Breitbart or Fox, I am not sure if they can be convinced to be the foot soldiers to fight Russia. They tend to the loyal “support our troops” type, but as seen with the rise of Trump, to convince them to fight a white Christian nation for a regime that is openly hostile to whites – I don’t think Hollywood can do it. Perhaps on the left they can agitate by saying how Russia is an anti homosexual monster, but without the support from the conservative common man can they really wage such a war ?

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  9. Well, the US military is the most expensive military ever on the planet Earth. This is why the US debt is already somewhere in the Milky Way and beyond, where no man has gone before.

    Humanoids from another galaxy are wondering who is using this expensive contraption and for what? Defense? Of whose interests?

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    to convince them to fight a white Christian nation for a regime that is openly hostile to whites – I don’t think Hollywood can do it.

    Hollywood was able to convince Americans to wage war on Christian Germany, at a time when Germans were the second-largest ethnic group in USA and whose culture and language were taught in many public and private institutions.
    In fact, Charles Lindbergh said that it was the “Asiatic Russians,” not Germans, who were alien to American (white) culture.

    Hollywood did it before when it was just a start-up on the American landscape. Now that Hollywoodism has full spectrum dominance, don’t sell short it’s capabilities.

    The kicker is that Hollywood’s goal in Lindbergh’s era was to destroy Christianity, in which they succeeded.

    So how will they use Christianity to incite a war to “defend Christianity?”

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  11. … the inability of a financial stretched Russia to engage in imperial ventures anywhere.

    Well, it didn’t stop them from intervening in Syria, and despite the fact that Russia is supposedly ‘on the ropes’ from the EU sanctions, they’re winning in Syria.

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  12. Not exactly redux ….

    Those professional Sovietologists are the same in CW1 and CW2, because their career depends on having an enemy in that part of the globe. But the other players are different before and after.

    In CW1, American leftists were pro-Russian because Russia was then seen (incorrectly) as the authoritative center of atheism. In CW2, American leftists are the harshest opponents of Russia because Russia is now seen (correctly) as a center of Christianity.

    American non-leftists have also switched, inversely from the leftists.

    It’s always been a religious war. The new version is more accurate.

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  13. The reason Russia makes for a good enemy is because of PC, its white. Making China for example the “big bad” simply will not work because the racism accusations will defeat all propaganda attempts against China.

    The race issue didn’t stop Washington and the western media from demonizing the Chavistas in Venezuela, several Arab states, Iran, or Mugabe in Zimbabwe. They will demonizing whoever stands in their way; the only color they are loyal to is green ($).

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  14. That $5 billion was given over a period of years, and not just in 2013 as the article implies.

    The commons myths in the other comments dealt with:

    1. Maidan was not incited by the US. That was a spontaneous uprising incited by Yanukovich’s betrayal.
    2. There was no legitimate referendum held in any of the Russian occupied territories. The Crimean referendum was held in the presence of an occupying Army with many “Crimeans” shipped in to vote.
    3. No vote has been taken in the occupied Donbas. The rebels, and their Russian backers, have not allowed any vote.
    4. Putin says that Russia signed Minsk I & II as a guarantor, not a participant. This in spite of the Russian Army in the Donbas. That Russia signed the Budapest memorandum as a guarantor makes it obvious that Russia’s word is no good.

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  15. While the US goes broke doing all this nonsense, Putin sits back and is laughing his ass off.

    The US is being hoisted by it’s own petard.

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  16. All of which you have no roof whatsoever.

    The hasbarists are back.

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  17. “despite the fact that Russia is supposedly ‘on the ropes’ from the EU sanctions”

    I heard on the radio today that the British pork industry/pig farmers are on the ropes without exports to Russia – apparently Russians pay more than other markets for pork fats and other by-products. Farmers are making a £10 loss on every pig at the moment without the Russian income.

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  18. Your arguments are one-sided:

    Yes, the $5 billion was spend over twenty years, but it is still a lot and around $1 billion was spent in the last three years against Yanukovitch. In a poor country with GNP of $130 billion that is a lot of money to spread around. If that is not “incitement”, what would be? Maidan was a combination of “spontaneity” and sponsorship, they both played a major role. Is that so hard to understand?

    Crimea is Kosovo. If West had no problem with Kosovo, why should Russians observe any rules in Crimea? Until you explain Kosovo to us, complaining about Crimea is a waste of time. Blabla, my tribe is good, yours are bad, blabla. Crimea and Kosovo are almost identical. Except in Crimea nobody was bombed and killed as thousands were killed by NATO in Serbia. If “Kosovars” has a right to independence, why shouldn’t “Crimeans”?

    Minsk II is really, really simple: Kiev government must pass a decentralization law and change to constitution. That is not only good for Russian-speaking Donbass, for it is good for Ukraine as whole. Kiev refuses to pass it, thus being in violation of Misk II that they signed. After Kiev passes the law, all else will follow.

    There are two sides to this story. By presenting only one side, you really should find a different forum than Unz. We try to use our brains fully here.

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  19. Ms. Evelyn N. Farkas is a prominent warmonger, on a par with Kristols and Kagans: ““She has advised three secretaries of defense on Russia policy, providing steady counsel on how the U.S. should respond to Russia’s aggressive actions and has been deeply involved in securing $244 million in support for Ukraine… In addition, Evelyn has brought fresh thinking to Southeast Europe policies — supporting Montenegro’s interest in joining NATO, expanding defense cooperation with Georgia, and increasing multilateral cooperation with the three Caucasus nations.” http://www.politico.com/story/2015/09/pro-defense-farkas-wrightewing-214223#ixzz40LxfqmaG
    Here is the sampling of Ms. Farkas writing: “Madam/Mr. President-to-be-elected, you will enter office facing Vladimir Putin’s Russia as a potential geostrategic threat to the United States. You will need a strategy to counter and resist this threat, which is only growing. At the moment, Putin appears to be closer to prevailing in Syria and holding steady in Ukraine, Georgia and Moldova. His use of force to protect despots and to render governments hostage to Moscow’s will…” http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/01/next-president-putin-pentagon-policy-213559#ixzz40M0DuABr
    Reads like a hysterics. For a starter, has Ms. Farkas heard about the Middle East monarchies SA and Qatar, which ruling despots are the bosom buddies of the US policy-makers? About the Shah of Iran, this despot installed by the US? It seems that Ms. Farkas’ belief in Russian aggressiveness is based on her understanding of geographical maps: the RF borders are so close to NATO’ military installations!

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  20. “Those professional Sovietologists are the same in CW1 and CW2, because their career depends on having an enemy in that part of the globe.”
    On point!

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  21. Some honest analysis, then a deflection via anti-Assad spin —

    http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Ex-US-official-Israel-may-be-in-trouble-if-Assad-wins-444980

    If the Syrian regime wins the civil war and Iran ends up on the Golan, Israel could have difficulty defending itself, said a former White House official on Monday.

    Michael Doran called for a US policy that seeks to facilitate cooperation between allies such as Saudi Arabia, Turkey and Israel to counter Iran. “Only the US can do that – pull them together.” If this does not happen, Israel could end up with Iranian forces and rockets on its border with Syria and “there is not much Israel can do about it.”

    Doran, currently a senior fellow at the Hudson Institute in Washington, was speaking to the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations in Jerusalem on a panel moderated by Jerusalem Post editor-in-chief Steve Linde.

    Doran warned that the Syrian situation could “worsen quickly.”

    US President Barack Obama “represents a trend in the national security elite, which sees Iran as a natural ally of the US. A very strongly held opinion, but they don’t like to advertise it because it is unpopular on the Hill,” said Doran, a former security adviser in president George W. Bush’s administration.

    Asked what the next administration could do if Russia- and Iran-backed Syrian President Bashar Assad consolidates power, Doran told the Post “the US could hasten to aid its allies in the region.”

    Pressed if it was risky for the US to counter Russia directly in Syria, the former administration official said that if there was a serious contest with Russia “we could impose costs.”

    When in the White House and confronted with rogue regimes like Syria or Iran, there are always secret channels to hear a totally different message from what is voiced publicly, he said. “It is ‘I am your friend, I can solve your problems, why are you so close to the Jews, the Saudis, work with me. Yes we have our hard-liners like you do, but we can cut a deal.’” Many Americans always feel a deal can be made and that it is in the country’s interest to do so, said the Middle East expert, adding that presidential candidate Donald Trump is one such figure who believes in making deals.

    The problem is not just with Obama, he continued, but previous presidents also tended to view the Middle East through the lens of the Cold War. This “made it easy to sort out the region into good guys and bad guys.”

    “Moderate Arab” regimes were those that were allied with the US, and extremists were those aligned with the Soviets, he explained.

    Turkey, Israel and Gulf states were on the American side, and others like Iraq, Syria and Iran after its 1979 Islamic Revolution sided with Russia. “It wasn’t perfect, but this was the basic mindset,” he said, emphasizing that the US role was “to elevate its own allies against others.”

    In addition, the US played a mediating role with its regional allies, which did not all get along too well. On the other hand, argued Doran, Obama looks at the region and sees two different categories: “problematic friends and potential friends.” The only “absolute enemies” are those such as al-Qaida or Islamic State.

    The problem with this mentality is that it has led to the opening up to Iran and “we have no force in the Arab world to push back.” Doran also criticized Trump and fellow candidate Sen. Ted Cruz for unrealistic plans to defeat Islamic State. Trump talks of a deal with Russian President Vladimir Putin and Cruz mentions dealing with Assad and carpet bombing Islamic State, but this is “all fantasy talk.”

    Doran is in Israel to attend an international conference on Wednesday and Thursday at Bar-Ilan University’s Begin-Sadat Center for Strategic Studies on strategic challenges in the eastern Mediterranean.

    Prof. Eyal Zisser, a leading expert on Syria from the Moshe Dayan Center at Tel Aviv University, said the US is “clearly not a regional power anymore.”

    At a time when there are Israeli voices saying we need to warm relations with Russia like Egypt and Syria have done, this is because of the notion that “Putin supports his friends.”

    Also speaking at the conference, Zisser calls the tactics employed by Syria, Iran and Russia “ethnic cleansing” based on “the Chechnya model.”

    Assad sees the problem not as one of opposition groups or Islamic State, said Zisser, but “with the Sunni population.”

    Therefore, Syria and its allies reached the conclusion, argued Zisser, that there was a need to rid the country of Sunni civilians, something it has succeeded in doing in some areas.

    The Israeli expert also noted that the Russian military intervention over the past months are on such a large scale that when you compare them to the US-led coalition attacks against Islamic State, it becomes apparent to some people “that the US administration is not serious about Islamic State.”

    Many had thought that with the outbreak of the Arab Spring, Iran, Russia and Syria would decline in power, but now the opposite is happening, continued Zisser.

    “It is not unlikely, that with Russian and Iranian support, the Syrian regime could be able to regain control of most of its territory,” he said.

    If Assad is victorious in the civil war, said Zisser, he may conclude that power is the only thing that can guarantee his survival and mount an aggressive rebuilding of the Syrian army with Russian support.

    “It will be a different Syria, Assad no longer would be the driver, but under Russian and Iranian influence.”

    Asked by Linde if he sees the situation in Syria getting worse, Zisser responded, “Worse before better.”

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  22. The information on several referendums in Crimea is widely available on the Internet. For example:

    UNDP in Crimea conducted series of polls about possible referendum on joining Russia with a sample size of 1200:

    Quarter Yes No Undecided
    2009 Q3[37] 70% 14% 16%
    2009 Q4[37] 67% 15% 18%
    2010 Q1[38] 66% 14% 20%
    2010 Q2[38] 65% 12% 23%
    2010 Q3[38] 67% 11% 22%
    2010 Q4[38] 66% 9% 25%
    2011 Q4[39] 65.60% 14.20% 20.20%

    It is hard to take you seriously; was your post an attempt at propaganda or just a result of laziness?

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  23. The most over the top military ever! By the most over populated humans!

    Good to be thinking ”out side of the Box” about it, to the Milky Way Galaxy and beyond!

    After reading a few short books by physicists, astronomers, etc, like Feynmann, Hawkins, and psychologists, psychoanalysts, etc.etc. it seems that there are more dimensions than the 5 or 6 that we usually regard. There is a kind of ”Dream world” of all possible Universes. Literally, if you doubt it, tackle Dr. Jung’s ”Synchronicity”. Some of the high theories are a little murky around the edges… Criptic, so is the facts on the ground with Nuclear.

    What can this military dooms day scenario be other than a Death Instinct being brought about unconsciously by Monsters from the Id? Vis-a-Vise the 1956 movie: ”Forbidden Planet”.

    In the nutshell, Life is at odds with Death. The material environment mainly is chaotic and represents entropy, leading to a dissipation. Life is conservation of energy through order and structure, self preservation, improvement of life forms. Potentially leads to ”Godhead”, taht’s in another chapter… !

    Death wish, must be something from the material world infecting the living world, working to defeat it. (as in Artificial Intelligence, as in: movie: ”Matrix”.)

    Sociopathy, is explained in terms of an absence of empathy, enabling horrible persons to do what ever. (…They lack souls!… ) They are material based! ( natural Android).

    So… conjure up a system that rewards, and concentrates this trait, and… Voi la! A war on between Life and antilife.

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    thanks for mentioning Michael Doran so early in the post.

    saved the trouble of reading the rest of it.

    he’s a neocon’s neocon, a thoroughly odious entity / non-entity.

    A week or so ago he participated in a panel and uttered this gem:

    “The problem, very simply, is to teach geography to Iran: There’s Iran, and not Iran. And Iran can have its forces in Iran, and not in Not-Iran. So Iraq is not Iran. Syria — Not Iran. Lebanon — Not Iran. So let’s not talk about it as sectarianism, let’s talk about geography class. http://www.c-span.org/video/?403258-1/discussion-persian-gulf-tensions

    anyone who needs to have the irony explained is beyond redemption in the rational world.

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    the problem entities like Mike Doran face is that they are still young-ish; they’ve bet the farm on an ideological position and now have no place to go for the rest of their career except to represent themselves as an “expert” who has to leave his own country to find someone who will listen to him, or participate with a think-tank that is funded by a country other than his own in order to feel relevant — and pay the mortgage.

    Perhaps a Donald Trump administration will enact the same sort of make-work program as was undertaken to keep former Soviet nuclear experts out of mischief — give ‘em a job — find an almost-comfortable office building in some ex-urban locale — maybe adjacent to a Superfund site– where they can catalogue Israeli propaganda amid intermittent air conditioning and heat.

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    Ukraine was an artificial country put together by communists. The eastern part, now seceded, was assigned to it in the early 1920′s, the western part taken by Stalin from Poland (inhabited by Ukrainians so he united them) and Crimea was simply handed over in 1954 without asking them. Since independence it’s been a failed, drifting state divided between east and west. It was a great thing for those in Crimea to be able to jump ship and rejoin Russia, leaving behind a dysfunctional, corrupt, bankrupt state engaged in civil war. The east leaving this artificial entity also freed them of being under this burden. What’s left can now have greater unity and freedom of action, wave whatever flags they like. The US thought it could get all of it into it’s camp but apparently not. Having some of it slip out of it’s fingers has led to this propaganda drumbeat that just never ends. This Farkhas seems like just another war-lover which is probably why she’s been hired on so much. This simply reaffirms the principle of peace through strength. It’s obvious by now that America only understands the language of force. Like any predator it hunts for weak prey, moving in when it detects weakness. The Russians must have realized this and decided to draw their own red lines around what they consider important to them. Only strength deters attack from this international band of roving adventurers and gangsters.

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  27. Germany’s declaration of war on the US had nothing to do with it?
    Please list the Hollywood movies produced before 11 Dec 1941 that convinced Americans to fight Germany.

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  28. “Nor did Moscow initiate the political crisis in Ukraine, which was also enabled by the United States.”. Not true. Moscow started the extra-diplomatic fight when it mounted a customs blockade against Ukrainian goods on 12 August 2013. The purpose was to force Ukraine out of discussions with the EU and into the EEU. It succeeded with the first part and triggered the Maidan. The rest of your narrative also overrides inconvenient facts.

    ” the western powers, most notably the United States, pledged not to take advantage of the situation by initiating a military expansion into Eastern Europe”. Another example of your narrative overwhelming the facts. The British House of Lords investigated this and found six occasions when senior officials from NATO governments promised not to expand NATO to the East. All those promises were kept. None of those officials were in place by the time NATO expanded. There was no treaty or even a formal public declaration of intent. The initiative did not come from NATO but the former Soviet occupied countries. At the time, NATO membership was entirely symbolic as far as the NATO core was concerned. There was no rearming (The Polish armed forces even now use mostly antique Soviet equipment). There was no placing of significant US bases in the region. There was not much training. It is true that all that has changed as a reaction to Russia’s actions since the Ukrainian blockade. Poland can sell its soviet equipment to Ukraine and re-equip with modern weapons that core NATO is now willing to provide. Serious exercises are being held in the Baltics. Great strategy Volodya! Your generals cried Wolf! about NATO and now the wolf really is arriving.

    Putin is strategically inept. He goes in without an exit strategy. The customs blockade comes off like pique. Do you really convince another state to join your rather tiny trade block with a trade war? He didn’t consider the consequences of losing. The same in the Donbass. There was nothing wonderful about Ukraine. But that doesn’t mean it was ready to fall apart. No thought had been given to the idea that perhaps the Eastern Ukrainians weren’t interested in Novorossiya. (All of 76 fighters volunteered when Strelkov arrived. There was no army until monthly pay matched a year’s salary – even then most young men fled to Russia or the rest of Ukraine). They’ve hung on by sheltering behind civilians. The momentuum of the Crimea was enough. The same in Syria. Putin went in because he was about three weeks from losing his naval base. Losing in Novorossiya and Syria would have been too much even for the Russian electorate. Rally around the leader works while he demonstrates some leadership (Thatcher in The Falklands, say). But there’s no exit strategy yet for Syria. Putin plays a good game of Wait And See (a useful talent at such a level) which makes him look more profound than he is. This allows him to give people rope until they hang themselves. But this only works when your core position is strong. It isn’t anymore.

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  29. ” India to make various groups distrust one another than unite together to overthrow British rule”. British rule united more of India than it had been for many centuries.

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  30. In a way, ‘leftism’ is better suited to globalist imperialism controlled by the West.

    Rightism + imperialism as formula couldn’t last in the long run.

    If, say, the British people ruled over the darkies, the darkies would think in terms of ‘white folks are ruling over us’. And this would lead to resentment and nationalist feelings among darkies to throw out the white folks.

    For a time, leftism was appealing to darkies because it was anti-imperialist. It was about darkies adopting something like communism or socialism to drive out right-wing imperialism of whites.

    And to the extent that leftism was anti-capitalist, the capitalist powers ended up on the ‘right’ to counter the aggressive anti-capitalist left.
    Since the new ‘right’ had to forsake imperialism — condemned as a bad thing —, it could only hope for ‘rightist’ nationalism, i.e. control over one’s own nation and no more.

    But communism eventually failed. Russian communism vanished and the Chinese Communist Party turned to market economy and nationalism.

    With the fall of communism, ‘right-wing’ capitalism was triumphant. Since the ‘right’ forsook imperialism, the end of the Cold War should have been all about nationalism.

    But capitalists were not content with control of national destiny and domestic markets. They wanted to control the world. Also, as Jews became dominant in the West, the idea of gentile nationalism didn’t appeal to them. The only nationalism they could stand was Jewish nationalism in Israel or whatever nationalism that happened to coincide with Jewish-supremacist interests at the moment. So, Jews are all for Ukrainian nationalism against Russia, even as they are trying to weaken Ukrainian nationalism vis-a-via the EU. Jews tell Ukrainians, ‘you must be MORE nationalist against Russia but you be less nationalist against the EU.’ Jews love to play these clever mind-tricks. (Jews hate Japanese nationalism against Jew-controlled US but they fully approve of rising Japanese nationalism against China.)

    Capitalists wanted to control the world, but rightism made for poor ideological basis for such agenda. After all, rightism is only good for nationalism, not for imperialism. Rightism is about ‘my people in my country’. So, rightism respects the right of all nations to defend and maintain their sovereignty.
    There used to be rightist imperialism whereby some peoples came to rule over others — like the Brits did over the dotkins and the French did over the bamkins(bamboo-kins of Vietnam). But that came to condemned as ‘racist’. In order for India and Vietnam to be nationalist, British nationalism and French nationalism had to be restricted to their home countries. British rightist nationalism was fine in the UK but not over India. French rightist national glory was fine for France but not over Vietnam or Algeria. Nationalism + imperialism or rightist imperialism was too much of a contradiction.

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    As for leftist imperialism of communism, it couldn’t work cuz communism was an economic deadend and couldn’t sustain itself.
    Anyway, one thing that was appealing about leftism to globalist capitalists was its universalist justification for world conquest and domination. Unlike rightist imperialists who sought control and dominance OVER other peoples, the leftist imperialism of communism would be about the liberation of all peoples as brothers and sisters. Rightist imperialism would lead to one people ruling over another people. Leftist imperialism would lead to one people liberating another people. And there was a kernel of truth in this.
    After all, Nazis said ‘We invade your land and rule over you because we are superior and have the right to treat you as our subjects.’ In contrast communists said, ‘We invade your land not to rule over you but to spread the brotherhood of man and equality to all of you.’ Of course, in reality, the Soviets could be pretty mean and nasty, but the theme of communism was equality of conqueror and conquered whereas theme of Nazism was superiority of the conqueror over the conquered.

    Because communism or leftist imperialism was so aggressive, the capitalist West was forced to side with right-wing regimes all around the world. As such, US was on the side of national sovereignty in many cases. US favored hard-line right-wing dictatorships and backed them against Marxist rebellions and warfare. There was a time when communism owned internationalism since the West was tainted with right-wing imperialism. Also, leftists argued that US capitalism was just a form of neo-rightwing-imperialism seeking domination of other nations. It’s like the scene in THE GODFATHER II where big American corporations and oligarchs back the rightwing Batista against the communists in order to gain control of Cuba as America.

    http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/godfather/images/a/a2/Batista_gold_telephone.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20120902171253

    Since US relied on right-wing regimes to hold back the tide of communism, American capitalism tended to fear leftism. In Latin America, US supported right-wing military regimes against Marxist subversion and insurgency. US sided with arch-reactionary Islamists against the Soviets in Central Asia and Middle East.

    During the Cold War, leftism was mostly associated with communism and third world allied with the USSR.

    But once the USSR collapsed, American Capitalism didn’t celebrate the triumph of rightism. Instead, it adopted leftism into a new kind of globo-’leftism’.
    Why? Because this ‘leftism’ was far more effective in penetrating and taking over other nations. After all, rightism tends to be nationalist. If rightism should be the governing principle of all nations, they should resist American globalism just like they once resisted Soviet socialism. But Americans now wanted to gain control over the world.

    Since American capitalism no longer had to worry about Soviet leftism after the end of the Cold War, the main obstacle to its domination became nationalist rightism of all nations. If old American Capitalism allied with national rightisms to fend off the aggressive power of Soviet-backed leftism, the new American Capitalism tends to see national rightism as the main obstacle to globo-American power.

    Just like Jews support Ukrainian nationalism against Russia but try to weaken Ukrainian nationalism against Jewish-controlled EU, American capitalism that once supported national rightisms around the world against the communist threat now want to undermine those rightisms that may stand against the new American capitalism that is no longer about ‘what is good for General Motors is good for America’ but about ‘what is good for Jews is great because Jews say so, and you better agree or you’re antisemitic.’

    American capitalism now sees rightism as the worst enemy. Rightism is no longer useful since there is no longer any leftist communist threat that threatens the globo-American empire. If anything, leftism has been remolded into globo-’leftism’ that now serves capitalist globalists.
    And this new ‘leftism’ is so effective as a tool of neo-imperialism since it fools the world into believing that American globalism is universalist and about ‘human rights for all’. It also has a hedonic element, i.e. “if you adopt American imperialism, you get more music videos, yummy fast food, more porn, more rap, and more hollywood movies.”
    It is like opium sold to the Chinese.

    Rightist imperialism was seen a system whereby one people used force to gain dominance over another people to oppress them. But globo-’leftist’ imperialism is marketed as America using pressure(even military force) to gain dominance over another people to liberate them into happy orgasmic consumers. It is the imperialism of justice, equality, liberation, and orgasm.

    It’d be difficult to sell American imperialism on the basis of rightism. (Jewish)Americans as rightist-imperialists would have to admit to the world that they seek Jewish supremacism over the world. That is the nature of rightist imperialism. One people ruling as superiors over another people.
    Also, rightism would embolden each nation to resist American capitalism. After all, the most potent weapon against rightist imperialism is rightist nationalism. Victor Orban is using rightist nationalism to defend Hungary. Russia, China, and Iran are all in rightist nationalist mode. Even though China is still ruled by Communist Party, the members are Chinese nationalist first and foremost.
    Also, rightism within America would undermine the globo-imperialist venture since most Americans don’t want to fight in foreign wars or lose out in a globalized economy where 1% gains a hell of a lot more than the 99%.

    Deep down inside, Jews are rightist in that they are all about Jewish identity, memory, unity, and power. But Jews are not content to rule over tiny Israel. They want to rule over the world. But how can Jews do this if they invoke rightism? Jews in rightist mode would have to admit that ‘We Jews as superiors want to rule over all of you as inferiors.’ Who’s gonna accept that? (Maybe dumb Evangelicals who worship Jews would, but NO ONE else.) Also, if Jews were to promote rightism, EVERY gentile people would promote homogeneity, unity, and national interest. Such would put up an effective resistance against Jewish power.

    So, Jews find ‘leftism’ more useful. Its universalist rhetoric masks Jewish rightist-imperialist supremacism. It also subverts and weakens the rightism and nationalism of non-Jews around the world so that Jews can penetrate, rape, and loot them more easily, as they did to Russia in the 90s. Since commie are gone, Jews can remold and customize ‘leftism’ to suit their own interests. This is why Jews promote stuff like homo agenda, feminism, and Negrophilia.
    Via homo agenda, Jews aid and abet homo turncoats and collaborators in every nation. Such homos work with globo-homos to undermine national sovereignty. Also, as homo power rises in each nation, the New Normal becomes the Rule by Minority. Once a people come to accept Domination by Homo Minority, they will be more accepting of domination by Jewish minority whose influence sneaks into their country through the backdoor of the homo agenda.
    Feminism is useful by dividing men and women of any nation and people. Jews can make the women side with globalism against their own men.
    And Negrophilia is useful because once young people around the world are addicted to rap music, they lose respect and reverence for their ancestors and act like trashy whores and pimps addicted to Hollywood and MTV.
    The power of globalism will ‘empower’ homos, women, and young people in nations around the world, and to some extent, that is a good thing as some nations are indeed overly repressive and conservative. (But then, US has no problem with Saudi Arabia since it is politically so close to the US and always does America’s bidding in the Middle East.) But, homos, women, and young essentially become agents of US globalist empire controlled by Jews. As such, they work against their own race, culture, and nation. They serve the Empire, just like Christianized non-whites came to serve the Vatican against the interests of their own race and nation. This is why Japanese dealt ruthlessly with Japanese Christians who might become collaborators of European imperialists. Imperialists always empowers some people of a nation(especially those at the margins) to use them against the nation as a whole.

    Anyway, ‘leftism’ is far more effective for the globalist-capitalists. For one thing, the new ‘leftism’ fools non-whites all around the world that they are the ones being empowered when, in fact, they are really losing out to Jewish-controlled globalism.
    Unlike old rightist imperialism that was win-win for everyone of the ruling nation, new ‘leftist’ imperialism is a game of win-lose. Globalist elites win but the masses of even the dominant nations lose. When British imperialists ruled the world, it was win-win for British elites and British people. Even British poor felt pride as rulers of the great empire.
    But the domination of American globalism means only the American elites win. In contrast, masses of white Americans, especially middle class-working class-and the poor, lose out. So, it creates the impression that globalist ‘leftism’ is about non-whites being ‘empowered’ over whites. But in fact, white/Jewish elites grow stronger and richer and more powerful. The Tim Cooks, Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg, the Google boys, Bezos of Amazon, and etc keep getting more and more of the world pie.
    And among non-whites, the big winners are the elites, not the masses. Globalism is elite-imperialism of globalist elites over ALL peoples.
    But it is promoted as ‘leftist’ became it favors some non-whites over many whites.
    For example, non-white elitists like Fareed Zakaria and Barack Obama are favored over white middle class and working class. So, it gives the impression that people-of-color are winning over white folks.
    But in fact, in order for such non-whites elites to be favored and to win, they must pledge allegiance to the Jewish-white globalist ruling class. Also, they must sign onto the homo agenda that will be used globally to undermine and weaken every sovereign nation. But because some non-white elites win over masses of whites in the US, they think globalism is about ‘progress’ and ‘equality’, about non-whites gaining power over whites.
    What they fail to realize is that, while globalism gives them to opportunity to rise above and(in collusion with white/Jewish globo-elites) rule over the white masses, globalism also, in turn, allows Jewish/white elites to gain control over non-white nations and rule over non-whites masses. Suppose Iran comes under globalist domination. While Iranian-American elites may rise above white masses, Jewish/white American elites will gain access into Iran and rule over Iranians. In the end, Jews and white globalists win the most since even Iranian-American elites will be under the thumb of more powerful Jewish and white elites.

    Globalism’s hierarchy is thus:

    Jewish elites on top
    Homo elites next
    White elites next
    Non-white elites next
    White masses
    Non-white masses

    Now clearly, even non-white elites must serve the Jewish-homo-white elites. So, why do they feel empowered by globalism? Because they get to rule over white masses.
    And this is the dirty trick of ‘leftism’ in globalism. By allowing non-white elites to rule over white masses(as long as they serve Jewish-homo-white elites), it makes privileged non-whites feel empowered as winners.

    As for non-white masses, why would they feel empowered by globalism when they continue to remain on the bottom, indeed even below white masses? Because they identify with non-white elites who are richer and more powerful than white masses. So, even though non-white masses have no power, they feel they have power via identification. It’s like blacks have fared badly under Obama but, as long as they identify with Obama as the powerful Negro, they sort of feel ‘empowered’ too.

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  31. Repeating these silly propaganda points one more time makes them no less silly.

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  32. I hate the saber-rattling neocons and their stooges, but I have to say that I don’t really have much sympathy for Russia on the “OMG they’re occupying eastern Europe!” front. On that front, I say, RUCK FUSSIA. They REALLY DID OCCUPY eastern Europe for many years, as well as contribute mightily to the oppression quotient in the region. We do all remember the Iron Curtain, right?

    No, NATO aren’t the good guys, but they’re a whole lot better than the Soviets were.

    What, we’re supposed to cry because Russia no longer has the money or juice to maintain their evil empire?

    No.

    I’m glad we’re building up eastern Europe while Russia’s weak. Ruck ‘em.

    Now, does this translate to my supporting eastern Europe knuckling under to whatever the neocons have planned for their countries? NO. Eastern Europe should tell the USG to take their cultural package, their NGOs, and their liberal-democratic skullduggery and take a long walk off a short pier. “Hi, we’ll have a plate of military aid, hold the globalism, multiculturalism, cultural rot, open borders, mass immigration, and gov’t infiltration please, thanks.” They should take our money and materiel and tell us to piss off, culturally speaking.

    Well, maybe so if one reads the New York Post or watches a steady diet of Fox news it would be possible to come to that conclusion, but there are other issues at play, including genuine western threats on Russia’s own doorstep combined with the inability of a financial stretched Russia to engage in imperial ventures anywhere.

    I’m trying to imagine what the Soviet Union would be doing in eastern Europe right now, if the American Empire had collapsed, and not their own. Wait, wait…okay yeah I got it now. Definite mental picture forming.

    Moscow is in Syria because the rise of a new Islamic militancy close to its own heavily Muslim federate states in the Caucasus is a definite threat. It did not initiate the crisis in that region which was instead the fault of Washington due to its ill-advised 2003 invasion of Iraq, creating a power vacuum and empowering terrorist groups seeking to take advantage of the chaos.

    But Hussein was right to withdraw from Iraq though. Right? That didn’t cause any problems at all. And even if it did, it was The Right Thing To Do Anyway, right? Or was that when the problems in Iraq really started?

    Sometimes you anti-war guys are as bad crafting your Narrative as the leftists and the neocons are.

    Face it, Russia is in Syra right now because the US left a power vacuum in the region. I don’t like it any more than you do, but it is what it is.

    Nor did Moscow initiate the political crisis in Ukraine, which was also enabled by the United States.

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    Riiight. Moscow dindunuffin in Ukraine, ever. Why, the very idea.

    Moscow is guilty of not playing by America’s rules. As former senior CIA officer Graham Fuller puts it “…today, although neocons in Washington will disagree, it is hard to build a credible case that Russia—under Putin or any likely leader—is gearing up to invade Eastern much less Western Europe. But yes, Russia is determined to maintain regional sway—as other great powers do in their backyards, especially when distant powers intrude.”

    Right. Like us in Cuba and central America.

    Frequenters of this site are no doubt already aware that when the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991 the western powers, most notably the United States, pledged not to take advantage of the situation by initiating a military expansion into Eastern Europe, which Russia would have to correctly perceive as threatening given its own vulnerability at that time.

    Which treaty are you referring to?

    The dauntless globalist Bill Clinton broke that promise, enabling the 1999 accession of Poland, Hungary, and the Czech Republic followed by the addition of seven Central and Eastern European countries: Bulgaria, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Slovakia, Estonia and Slovenia in 2004. Russia protested but did otherwise not react.

    Accession into what?

    And which treaty did Clinton violate by breaking “that promise”?

    Russia protested but did otherwise not react.

    Why not? Surely, given that some (as yet unnamed) treaty was violated – that is, after all, how states make “promises” to one another – the Russians should have protested, taken their case to the UN and international courts, etc. Seems odd that their only reaction was to protest. Seems a bit tepid.

    In 2008, Georgia, bolstered by pledges of support from neocons in the U.S. as well as from demented Senators like John McCain, fought Russian troops over two disputed enclaves South Ossetia and Abkhazia.

    Here we go with the “pledges” again. Which treaty are you referring to now?

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  33. The reason Russia makes for a good enemy is because of PC, its white.

    Funny, when the leftists and darkies are bashing USA, they never talk about how diverse it is at the same time. Unless they’re talking about how bad the USA is to the diverse, of course.

    Germany’s declaration of war on the US had nothing to do with it?
    Please list the Hollywood movies produced before 11 Dec 1941 that convinced Americans to fight Germany.

    Agreed. There’s never been a declaration of war that wasn’t followed by a massive land invasion. Well, except the one by Germany against the USA, but who’s counting?

    Mallory’s an interesting fellow. Normally someone with views like this (kill the cops; kill the Russians) would be an anonymous troll, so no one would notice these two positions existing side by side. They add up to “kill whitey.”

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  34. Good to see an old friend from the Guardian here, Beckow.

    NobleDonkey

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  35. Have you heard of a Partnership for Peace Program (PPP), the mini-me NATO pact?

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  36. On that front, I say, RUCK FUSSIA. They REALLY DID OCCUPY eastern Europe for many years, as well as contribute mightily to the oppression quotient in the region. We do all remember the Iron Curtain, right?

    Using that logic one could just as easily argue we should be trying to destroy Germany, because Hitler. We do all remember Hitler, right? I think Germany under Hitler contributed quite a bit to the oppression quotient in the region.

    I don’t know how to break the news to you but the Soviet Union is gone. Didn’t you hear? It was in all the papers. And I’m pretty sure Stalin is dead.

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  37. “There was no treaty or even a formal public declaration of intent. … There was no placing of significant US bases in the region.”
    Well, here is a well known fact of a prominent decision maker making a formal declaration of intent: “What the US secretary of state said on Feb. 9, 1990 in the magnificent St. Catherine’s Hall at the Kremlin is beyond dispute. There would be, in Baker’s words, “no extension of NATO’s jurisdiction for forces of NATO one inch to the east,” provided the Soviets agreed to the NATO membership of a unified Germany.” http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/nato-s-eastward-expansion-did-the-west-break-its-promise-to-moscow-a-663315-2.html Here we are, German reunification: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_reunification
    The eastward expansion had been advancing during Bush years, well before the alleged “Russian aggression in Ukraine:” http://www.globalresearch.ca/encircling-russia-us-nato-military-bases-in-eastern-europe/15824

    “Moscow started the extra-diplomatic fight when it mounted a customs blockade against Ukrainian goods on 12 August 2013.”
    And your solution to the problem of the US/NATO encroachment towards the Russian borders? I hope you are not trying to suggest that Russia should have behaved with greater obedience with regard to the US oligarchy. It is very difficult to argue that the Ukraine’s situation presents an existential threat to the US, whereas the unstoppable motion towards encircling the Russian federation by US/NATO military bases does indeed present such threat for Russians. It does not matter who is the president of RF: what does matter is the undeniable facts on the ground showing why and how the US/NATO made RF to take defensive measures. These measures are of course an absolute delight for the war profiteers that have finally have a great name-recognition enemy to make more expensive weaponry and to train more “moderate” rebels. What is the US military expenditure right now? Something like the next 10-12 countries combined? http://www.politifact.com/new-jersey/statements/2013/feb/10/cory-booker/cory-booker-says-us-military-spending-greater-next/

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  38. Confessions of a Nazi Spy, 1939
    The Mortal Storm, 1940
    Foreign Correspondent, 1940
    That Hamilton Woman, 1940 (a favorite of W. Churchill)
    Mrs. Miniver
    The Great Dictator, produced 1939 released 1940
    Pastor Hall 1940

    from Those Angry Days, by Lynne Olsen:

    http://www.amazon.com/Those-Angry-Days-Roosevelt-Lindbergh/dp/0812982142

    “As the country’s most powerful creator of mass culture, Hollywood was considered an especially potent threat by . . .isolationist leaders. There was little doubt about the influence of movies: more than half of the American people saw at least one movie a week in the late 1930s and early 1940s. “We really have two education systems in America, Christian Century noted, “the public school system and the movies.”

    In August 1941, Senator Gerald Nye . . .called movie studios “the most gigantic engines of war propaganda in existence,” [and] demanded an immediate Senate investigation of Hollywood and what he saw as its collaboration with the Roosevelt administration. “The silver screen has been flooded with picture after picture designed to rouse us to a state of war hysteria,” [Nye] declared in a meeting in St. Louis. “The truth is that in twenty thousand theaters in the United States tonight, they are holding mass war meetings.”
    . . .
    As it happened, the senators’ allegations about the film industry’s pro-British and interventionist bent were largely true. Several dozen films depicting the evils of Nazi Germany . . .and even suggesting the possibility of U. S. involvement in the war made their debuts between September 1939 and December 1941.

    In mid-1941, Lord Halifax [British ambassador in Washington] wrote to a colleague in London that movies in America “are doing a very good job of work in our cause.” . . .

    . . .
    By 1941, many in Hollywood were already old hands at political activism. Five years before . . .hundreds of screenwriters, directors, actors, and producers had come together to form the Hollywood Anti-Nazi League, which became the focal point of liberal, interventionist activity in the film community. ”

    Then there were the newsreels:

    “American moviegoers’ only glimpse of what was happening overseas through most of the 1930s was through the newsreels that preceded the films they came to see. For half a decade, the major newsreels companies . . .increasingly featured stories on Hitler and Mussolini and the threat they posed to peace in Europe.

    Of all the newsreel services, March of Time, a product of Henry Luce’s empire, was by far the most anti-Nazi and pro-British . . . it added staged dramatization to its narration and documentary footage, creating a new and powerful form of film that its detractors called biased and inflammatory. “

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  39. “On that front, I say, RUCK FUSSIA. They REALLY DID OCCUPY eastern Europe for many years, as well as contribute mightily to the oppression quotient in the region.”
    Sounds like a righteous proclamation. Two points: 1. Do you know that the Soviets made a highly diverse and multiethnic group? 2. Tell us more about the US’ great moral exploits in Latin America, Vietnam, Japan, Iran, Iraq, Libya, Syria…. As for the “oppression quotient in the region,” here are the unforgettable images of Bush the lesser kissing a Middle Eastern despot: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRhDzpJV2TM
    How about rallying for support of the international law instead of manipulating people emotionally?

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  40. Philip Giraldi’s “Cold War Redux,” is a decent analysis of the motion toward the New (and not so “cold”), Cold War.

    Where I take issue with Giraldi, is here: “Well, maybe so if one reads the New York Post or watches a steady diet of Fox news it would be possible to come to that [erroneous] conclusion.”

    By negatively citing only Republican gang media, Giraldi throws the onus for dangerous War Mongering on the part of the American Government, on the Republican gang, and apparently, gives such fine humans, as the Democrat gang members, such as Obomber, Biden (and Biden’s Oil son), Nuland, Kerry, et. al., a pass.

    The “Huffington Post”, which is the largest media website on the planet, and a Zionist Democrat gang propaganda organ at that, is not mentioned. The Huffington Post has repeatedly labeled Russian President Vladimir Putin, a “Thug.” No Republican propaganda organ has stooped so low, or has had the contempt to use that four letter insult against Russia’s elected Leader. And, no Zionist American propaganda organ has exceeded the major liberal Democrat rag, “The New York Times,” in repeated anti-Russian vitriol. Does Giraldi recall the positioning of Democrat Biden’s late son as a Vice President of the largest Ukrainian Oil Company? Does he recall Biden’s support for his son’s sudden “coming into wealth,” as we used to say in Brooklyn? And the Democrat media covered for this disgraceful act of corruption – at the highest level of government.

    Mr. Giraldi, if the people vote for Barry Goldwater, there will be a 3rd World War. Thank god LB Johnson, one of the assassins of JF Kennedy, and a Democrat, was elected! Shortly thereafter, 1 million civilians were murdered in Indonesia by the CIA, and during LBJs administration – 1965. The war against Vietnam was expanded by the Democrats, until American bombing murdered 2 million Vietnamese (US Senate figures). Try blaming that on George Bush.

    I am not advocating support for the Republican gang, only suggesting a clear eyed honest evaluation of the post-Republic American Government, by those who pretend to criticize it. Such an evaluation would conclude that Totalitarian America hosts farcical -bought- elections, by our country’s Twin Political gangs. America’s Republic was overthrown on November 22, 1963, and we have not experienced an honest election, or Constitutional President, since.

    We owe it to the world, as well as our own citizens, specially our next generation, to Restore our Republic. bring all the War criminals, destroyers of nations, founders of ISIS, and Al Quaida, thieves of the $13Trillion Bailout, to justice. Upon succeeding at this effort, we will have taken the fascist Boot off the necks of the peoples of this planet, heeded Statesman Ron Pauls’ call to Bring All American Troops – Home, and we may rejoin humanity in enjoying Peace, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.

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  41. That would be a good outcome. If the public overwhelmingly opposes war with Russia, as even the famously daft American electorate does, the neocons’ plans will come to naught.

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  42. Just one of many crazy farkas in the US Administration…

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  43. For the West, the demonization of Vladimir Putin is not a policy; it is an alibi for the absence of one.

    - Henry Kissinger, at the start of the Ukrainian crisis.

    He may be many things to many people, but no one has ever accused Kissinger of being a dummy. It’s worth reading the whole article from two years ago.

    http://tinyurl.com/ntgjl94

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  44. It is amazing that Obama allowed the Bush neocons to remain in the State Department and in his administration. They have done nothing but betray his foreign policy from his foist day in the ova office.

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  45. Agreed and best to bring them home before these US Generals get to confront Russian ones.

    https://consortiumnews.com/2016/02/16/the-downton-abbey-generals/

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  46. Yeah and there’s been another spate of TV movies about the Russians bombing hospitals with kids in them…

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  47. Excellent. Except we never had a Republic to Restore. What we may have had was a little comfy breathing space for 30 years or so within which a semblance of a middle class (note that I didn’t say “educated” or “enlightened”) could develop and repeat “Yes, Virginia. There is a Santa Claus.” That’s long gone. But the “Republic” is and has always been a posh men’s club in which one thing and one thing only really counts, and justifies anything – including, as you say, killing a president.

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  48. You could probably add SERGEANT YORK (released in September 1941) to the list of Hollywood movies whipping up the anti-German frenzy prior to Pearl Harbor.

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  49. Pretty sure the Russkies have read the PNAC document.

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  50. There are more to your lists . The lists goes back to WW1 . The propaganda was pervasive and media both information and entertainment duly carried the torch of the civilizing war against ” Huns”
    The hatred against German was overnight 180 degree and surely must have been surprisingly confusing to German Americans the largest ethnic minority at that time who stopped referring them as German American . Beethoven was maligned. His music was tossed away in utter hatred .
    To average Anericans ,German sudden,y became a destructive evil who were hiding on their midst and who came from Germany only to create a German empire !

    If Holllywod were there in 1800,it would have produced wonderful movies depicting the slavery and the ships carrying them to the freedom.

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  51. Moscow is guilty of not playing by America’s rules.

    Disobedience to the Tribe is all it takes for any country or individual to end-up on the Zio-fascist’ hit list.

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  52. Anyone who sees lots of movies would have seen a lot of Russian bad guys in those movies over the last few years

    Well, you gotta admit that after 60 + years, Hollywood had slightly over-used the dumb, clueless, Jew-hating Nazis.

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  53. Please,its all about Zionist retribution to their historical enemy,the rest of humanity.
    We are in their sights also,look around at America in shambles,divided and conquered.

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  54. If Trump can’t see the vehement opposition to him from the zionists,he is dumb.
    Hopefully we’ll have some purging after his election.

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  55. Its funny how all the wacko Zionists have such impressive handles.

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  56. I agree with most of your stuff,but aren’t right wing govts that kowtow to US wishes,not nationalists at all,and those Communist endeavors should be considered such.as Vietnam is nationalist.So is NK.So is China.

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  57. And what about all the religious movies,Ben Hur,Ten Commandments,Samson and Delilah,etc.which always portrayed the noble Jew,whom Americans found hard to find in reality.
    Look at recent Hollywood,with Argo,Hurt Locker etc. which make heroes out of zeros.Total propaganda from Zion.
    Living up to the tripartite pact,Hitlers second biggest mistake,declaring war on US.The first being attacking the SU before taking out Britain.

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  58. You were last seen here lying about the religion of Ukrainian speakers in the Russian Empire. Do you have ready the grovelling apology that is required of you for your dishonesty? Can you show any reason why any0ne should pay attention to your weak, Obama-class trolling?

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  59. How did GHWB allow them to stay when he despised them and warned his son about them when he became President?

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  60. Hollywood did not have the knowledge or technical expertise to be a major propaganda organ until after WW 2 when Jewish immigrants from Germany purchased most of Hollywood’s major studios. And did so then only after adopting German techniques and equipping their studios with German-made equipment.

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  61. Diversity is unstable- right, so Ukraine (two ethnic groups) is fundamentally more stable than Canada (hundreds)?

    Instability and war are the result of political failure, not the cause.

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  62. “Instability and war are the result of political failure, not the cause.”

    Political failure is often the result of too much diversity.

    To be sure, not all diversities are the same.

    Some groups have historical antipathies, some don’t.

    Belgium has two dominant groups, and they don’t like each other, but they don’t really hate each other either. So, they get along.

    But Ukrainians and Russians have historical antipathies.

    So do Jews and Palestinians. That kind of diversity is usually poisonous.

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  63. A nice and concise description of a fight, the US patriots versus Ziocons and war profiteers.
    Comment section for http://thesaker.is/russian-mod-press-briefing-for-february-16th-2016/
    “I wouldn’t be at all surprised that some Pentagon honchos are far from happy with CIA-engineered conflict – some are genuinely patriotic and not keen on serving the interests of the Bilderberg globalists, particularly the Saudi component. Or the ‘Eretz Israel’ project.”
    Looks like a picture of a host (the US) captured by parasitoids (Ziocons and war profiteers). The poor host is suffering but the parasitoids are so well-entrenched that the host has no hope for freedom.

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  64. Carroll,

    I’m not sure what you meant here, but immigrant Jews were in the movie business since the silent era: Carl Laemmle, Louis Mayer, Sam Goldwyn, Marcus Loew, etc.

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  65. The civilian side of the government is so infested with neocons, there are days where I wonder if a military coup is our only hope.

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  66. Let’s pray there are peaceful means to the solution. Though there are very little grounds for optimism, currently.

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  67. 5371 you are disengaged from reality. Are you incapable of changing your mind despite the facts? Mental rigidity is not a good sign.

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  68. You didn’t read my post. I said the House of Lords identified 6 occasions when such promises had been made. This is not in dispute. All those promises were kept by the people who made them. None were long term treaties. What difference anyway? The SU was collapsing come what may. You might not want to read this. It could damage your world view.

    http://www.parliament.uk/eu-russia

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  69. Somebody who thinks that there is a Jewish conspiracy to rule the world qualifies more for the description Wacko than I do. If you have ever tried to organize anything involving people you will understand the impossibility of such things. Anyway, the Jews work for the Lizards and the Lizards take their instructions from God and I tell him what to do.

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  70. Hitler tried very hard to take out Britain. He couldn’t. The Luftwaffe never recovered from the attempt. According to Hitler’s speech on 8? Dec 1941, he had attacked the SU as a defensive more because the SU was preparing an attack on him. It wasn’t a mistake. He had no alternative. Said speech doesn’t get much airing. Very inconvenient. He had no reason to lie with his troops in front of Moscow and Pearl Harbour and the Siberian counter attack still hours away.

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  71. Canada has energetically shut down free speech as a direct result of the diversity that you discount. A small amount of salt in the stew is a positive. We shall see how stable Canada becomes as that pinch of salt becomes more like two cups.

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  72. I think getting a President in office who sees the problem and has the guts to do something about it, would substitute quite nicely for a military coup.

    He could simply order the military to initiate a” clean sweep” operation and just round em all up and deposit them in federal prison (or Guantanamo Bay) where they belong.

    In addition to operation “clean sweep” he should initiate operation “claw back” and fully divest these Tyrants of Terror of all their assets to pay down the humongous, nation crushing, national debt they have created.

    Then the .0001 percent, who have been robbing and defrauding us, blind, to the tune of $ 19,000,000,000,000.00 , will be stripped of all their assets, placed in well fitting orange jumpsuits, and remaindered, permanently to a federal penitentiary or Guantanamo bay.

    Hanging them with the very same noose they created seems like justice, well served, for all.

    Well served and way, way ,way …….. .overdue.

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  73. Maybe you forgot the constant braying by the US that the US did not consider the Russian people their enemy but it was communism they were opposed to. Well when the US had a chance to show they meant it, they didn’t. This is the issue. Keeping the promises made by Reagan would have showed the Russians that we didn’t regard them as the enemy and wanted to strengthen our ties to them.

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  74. Do you know anything about the history of Pathe? It was French wasn’t it? They did alot of war propaganda films too.

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  76. That’s sounds exactly like what Adolph did to the same group of people who had done the same thing to Germany.

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  77. “None were long term treaties.”
    True. And actions are stronger than words. The Baker’s words were perceived by Russians as a gesture of good will; instead the RF found herself encircled by NATO (US) military bases. Mind that after the dissolution of the USSR, Russia has been trying to build a capitalist society: Would not it be more logical if the US, EU, and Israel had been working on creating a multi-faceted cooperation with Russia instead of pushing for the bloody unipolarity?
    “None were long term treaties.” – If the immediate expediency is a king, than who needs such frivolities as trust, fairness, and justice? Sorry if my post reads like a lead to categorical imperative, but this is a reaction to your “What difference anyway?”

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  78. In some ways it would have been far better if Putin had annexed Donetsk and Luhansk at the same time they annexed Crimea or at least the ethnic Russian parts in the metropolitan areas near the Russian border. The shooting and the economic hemorrhaging on both sides would have ended already. The problem for Putin is that it would have severely eroded Russia’s leverage in the rest of Ukraine thereby robbing him of a buffer state with the West. Ukraine is slipping away the same way the Baltic countries did. Moving NATO in would be a disaster for both sides but without access to global markets Ukraine is doomed to be a economic basket case.

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  79. Yes, all of it appears stupid, counterproductive and the work of lunatics – if the purpose were to serve the interests of the hundreds of millions of average American citizens (you might say, by virtue of their ubiquity, the Real Americans.)

    But that’s not the purpose at all. It is hardly mindless when considering that what is ill for the vast majority of us is of great financial benefit to a powerful and wealthy elite. With their capture of all the levers of power in the country, one could agree with Randolph Bourne that they have made war the health of their financial estate.

    What can Trump a winning hand like that?

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  80. Yeah, and don’t forget that William (“A Man Called Intrepid”) Stephenson’s British Security Coordination was going full blast, churning out pro-British and anti-German propaganda.

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  81. The case of Crimea unification was supported by several referendums (conducted before the putsch) and by historical indivisibility of Crimea from Russia since the end of 18th century (Crimean peninsula has been fought for by the Russians in order to have a strategically-important access to the Black Sea). But the decisive factor for the RF resolute steps in Crimea was the unceremoniously audacious plans to establish there a NATO base while squeezing out the Russian fleet. What sane person could be surprised by the RF steps in Crimea upon the putsch?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Crimean_Wars

    https://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/2014/04/24/breaking-us-planned-to-turn-crimea-into-military-base-against-russia/

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  82. Demonization is the prelude to the hanging by sniper or poison or by starvation . Saddam ,Ghaddafi,and Arafat years after Mossadehg and Karim had faced similar fates became victims of same propaganda .
    Now is Putin. UK’s David Miloband thinks now the time for UN to investigate the ” obvious” war crimes committed by Russia . Russia ,according to his crystal gaze,has committed a heinous crimes . So whatever is the result of Syrian war, the sequele will continue . The subtext doesn’t change . For Israel it is territorial grab , for Erdogan – its survival and money ( at least Israel thinks of the Jewish people ,but for the Saudis and Turkeys , these are for pure nepotism guided endeavors) but for the Deep State of the West , it is fragmentation of Russia .

    But the war crimes are so selective
    “All of the more than 400 women and children were incinerated or boiled to death at 4:30 a.m. on Feb. 13, 1991, when two F-117 stealth fighter-bombers each dropped a 2,000-pound laser-guided “smart bomb” on the civilian shelter at Amiriyah.”

    https://consortiumnews.com/2016/02/17/recalling-the-slaughter-of-innocents/

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  83. Some Mr. Kirby. For a military man not be able to answer a question straight… well. He seems to be of Cheney & Rummy school of “thinkers.”
    Here is an article on the Saker, which is refreshingly optimistic: http://thesaker.is/who-needs-war-with-peace-like-this/

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  84. Jews in the US entertainment industry should use their influence to blacklist celebrities who support Israel boycotts, legendary Jewish comedian Jackie Mason said in a radio interview broadcast Sunday.

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    “If they are determined to persecute Israel, why can’t we persecute them? Why can’t we put them out of business? Why should we let them get away with it?” asked Mason on “Aaron Klein Investigative Radio,” which runs in New York and Philadelphia.

    He argued: “Once they know that this is a price they will have to pay for it, I guarantee you won’t hear any more about boycotting Israel.”

    If it were not for the Jews who created the film industry, these Israel critics would not have a job, Mason argued, according to American media outlets.

    “These people who profited all their lives from Jewish people, Jewish directors, Jewish producers. Jews created the industry,” he said. “If not for the Jews who created the industry in Hollywood, all these people would never have a job and would never be working. So the Jews supported them all their lives. And the Jews made it possible for them to make a living.”

    Furthermore, Mason told listeners, rather than boycott, celebrities should be praising it.

    “If they had any decency, they would want to go out of their way to help Jewish people and to save Jewish people because the State of Israel represents the people who made it possible for them to ever become a celebrity in the first place. If not for them, you would be starving to death today.”

    Mason also had harsh words for the anti-Israel Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) movement, which seeks to isolate and delegitimize Israel internationally. One common tactic is putting pressure on celebrities who visit, or plan to visit, the Jewish state.

    “These people want to boycott a beleaguered country that is being persecuted every day by Palestinians,” he said. “And they convinced themselves that the Palestinians are the victims when the Jews are helping the Palestinians every day. A Palestinian in Israel can make a comfortable living, can be a citizen, can even be in the government, and we treat them like kings.”

    Artists who have succumbed to BDS pressure and canceled appearances in recent years have included Lauryn Hill and Elvis Costello.

    Regarding this phenomenon, Mason asked listeners: “How they can sympathize with murderers instead of people trying to bring peace on earth, to bring peace even to their own enemies, and even help them make a living? This is the most disgusting thing I ever heard of in my

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/jackie-mason-hollywood-should-blacklist-anti-israel-celebs/

    Mason has spilled the bin .

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  85. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/1405720/Jackie-Mason-bars-Palestinian-comedian.html

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  86. Did you copy that from a fortune cookie, nitwit?

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  87. Using that logic one could just as easily argue we should be trying to destroy Germany, because Hitler. We do all remember Hitler, right? I think Germany under Hitler contributed quite a bit to the oppression quotient in the region.

    I don’t know how to break the news to you but the Soviet Union is gone. Didn’t you hear? It was in all the papers. And I’m pretty sure Stalin is dead.

    Who said anything about destroying Russia? Sure, if Germany still had a military sphere of influence, and we’d had a long cold war with them fighting over it, and the Germans had done to their satellites what Russia did to hers…there’d be lots of people saying “eff the Germans, let them go cry into their pillows over it.”

    I don’t know how to break the news to you but the Soviet Union is gone.

    So, you go bankrupt and all is forgiven? I bet criminals wish they could beat all their raps with a name change. Hasn’t stopped Russia from thinking they run eastern Europe, of course. Sure, America has her sphere of influence, e.g., South America. Doesn’t mean I would cry if somebody stronger came along and pushed us out.

    Sounds like a righteous proclamation. Two points: 1. Do you know that the Soviets made a highly diverse and multiethnic group? 2. Tell us more about the US’ great moral exploits in Latin America, Vietnam, Japan, Iran, Iraq, Libya, Syria…. As for the “oppression quotient in the region,” here are the unforgettable images of Bush the lesser kissing a Middle Eastern despot

    You seem to think I’m championing the US as some great moral empire. You’re in error. Doesn’t change the fact that the Soviets were worse.

    Diversity is unstable- right, so Ukraine (two ethnic groups) is fundamentally more stable than Canada (hundreds)?

    Instability and war are the result of political failure, not the cause.

    Hey stupid, the missing logic you’re grasping for is called “ceteris paribus.”

    You’re welcome.

    5371 you are disengaged from reality. Are you incapable of changing your mind despite the facts? Mental rigidity is not a good sign.

    It is if you’re right (and a lot of people don’t want you to be).

    Somebody who thinks that there is a Jewish conspiracy to rule the world qualifies more for the description Wacko than I do.

    Your insistence on self-flattering straw men puts you below him.

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  88. How have the former states composing the USSR paid for their crimes against humanity?

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  89. How many Soviet perpetrators of crimes against humanity have been brought to justice? Kaganovitch died in his bed.

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  90. Oh Please, Carroll

    That is like suggesting that holding Bernie Madoff accountable for the crimes he committed is equivalent to sending Anne Frank to Dachau.

    Is it ?

    If it is, in your mind, then there surely is no hope for justice in this world.

    Just as Bernie Madoff made his choice to defraud his investors out of tens of millions of dollars, so too did they make their choice to defraud the taxpayer out of tens of trillions of dollars, to initiate unconscionable wars of aggression, which are supreme criminal acts.

    They made their choice to commit the crime, just as Mr Madoff made his.

    Do I really sound like Adolf, for suggesting that they, like Mr Madoff , be held accountable for their actions?

    Are you suggesting that Mr Madoff be given a free pass, perhaps because he is Jewish, or because the Holocaust was a horrible crime of genocide?

    Is that what you are suggesting ?

    Let me ask you, Carroll, who is the Anne Frank and who is the Adolph of our time ?

    Is Rachel Corrie, Adolph, for putting her life on the line, for basic human justice and decency ? while Israel’s Ariel Sharon, represents Ann Frank, for brutally crushing her with a bulldozer to Lebensraum more Palestinian land and exterminate its people ?

    Is that the argument you wish to make ?

    Is it ?

    At what point Carroll, has the worm turned ?

    Lets look at another issue, lets look at the issue of Guantanamo Bay, which to most Americans, should function as a repository for the terrorists who are responsible for attacking our country on 9-11.
    I have no problem with that, there should be a special place in hell for those guilty of this horrific crime .

    There should be.

    But Guantanamo Bay has proven, up to this point, to be the most singularly fraudulent vehicle for human Justice that our nation has ever invented.

    The facts, according to H.R.W., betray this truth which in the end might show that not one person, held there, was involved at all, in 9-11. Not one.

    As it stands today, only 7 individuals, out of the 779 originally sent there, have been convicted of a crime, and every one of those convictions were through(dubious) military commissions tribunals or plea bargains.

    That is not justice…that is the very definition of its absence…the pinnacle of pernicious fraud that has been rapidly devouring our nation.

    Getting at the sources of this malevolent fraud should be job one of the next POTUS, and every POTUS down the line, until we are free of its nation destroying criminality.

    I don’t suggest closing Guantanamo Bay….I suggest getting it right .

    If ,in the end, Justice is truly served by remaindering many terrorists there, who turn out to be Neocons, or Jewish, or members of the Lobby, or whomever….that is not my fault.

    Justice, if there is to ever be any, can never discriminate, one way or the other.

    It is the crimes committed that define the guilty, not their ethnicity.

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  91. Somebody who thinks that there is a Jewish conspiracy to rule the world qualifies more for the description Wacko than I do. If you have ever tried to organize anything involving people you will understand the impossibility of such things.

    Where there are shared interests, shared enemies and a shared heritage, organizing conspiracies becomes much easier. In fact, a large degree of co-operation and agreement is bound to exist among such groups naturally, even without any express conspiracy.

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  92. The same with the American designers of the bombings of Dresden and Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Closer in time, the Chilcot report has been stalled for years, whereas Bush and Cheney enjoy the comforts of the US security state that they put so much efforts to finesse. Israel had of course the well-known terrorists as her leaders: http://www.rense.com/general21/pastzionist.htm

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  93. Somebody who thinks that there is a Jewish conspiracy to rule the world qualifies more for the description Wacko than I do.

    I don’t know about a conspiracy to rule the world, but I think there is rock solid evidence the neocons/Israel Firsters were behind a conspiracy to invade Iraq and getting the U.S. to launch a war to remake the ME.

    Further to a longstanding debate on who is more responsible for invading Iraq – i.e., whether it is the person hired to do the killing (key figures in the Bush administration) or the people who put out the contract for the killing (the Israel Lobby) – here is an lengthy excerpt from M&W’s 60-page essay, The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy:

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    The Lobby and the Iraq War

    Within the United States, the main driving force behind the Iraq War was a small band of neoconservatives, many with close ties to Israel’s Likud party. In addition, key leaders of the lobby’s major organizations lent their voices to the campaign for war. According to Forward,

    As President Bush attempted to sell the war in Iraq, America’s most important Jewish organizations rallied as one to his defense. In statement after statement community leaders stressed the need to rid the world of Saddam Hussein and his weapons of mass destruction.

    The editorial goes on to say that “concern for Israel’s safety rightfully factored into the deliberations of the main Jewish groups.”…

    The neoconservatives were already determined to topple Saddam before Bush became president. They caused a stir in early 1998 by publishing two open letters to President Clinton calling for Saddam’s removal from power. The signatories, many of whom had close ties to pro-Israel groups like JINSA or WINEP and whose ranks included Elliot Abrams, John Bolton, Douglas Feith, William Kristol, Bernard Lewis, Donald Rumsfeld, Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz, had little trouble convincing the Clinton administration to adopt the general goal of ousting Saddam. But the neoconservatives were unable to sell a war to achieve that objective. Nor were they able to generate much enthusiasm for invading Iraq in the early months of the Bush administration. As important as the neoconservatives were for making the Iraq war happen, they needed help to achieve their aim.

    That help arrived with 9/11. Specifically, the events of that fateful day led Bush and Cheney to reverse course and become strong proponents of a preventive war to topple Saddam. Neoconservatives in the lobby — most notably Scooter Libby, Paul Wolfowitz and Princeton historian Bernard Lewis — reportedly played especially critical roles in persuading the president and vice president to favor war.

    For the neoconservatives, 9/11 was a golden opportunity to make the case for war with Iraq. At a key meeting with Bush at Camp David on September 15, Wolfowitz advocated attacking Iraq before Afghanistan, even though there was no evidence that Saddam was involved in the attacks on the United States and Bin Laden was known to be in Afghanistan. Bush rejected this advice and chose to go after Afghanistan instead, but war with Iraq was now regarded as a serious possibility. The president tasked U.S. military planners on November 21, 2001, with developing concrete plans for an invasion.

    Meanwhile, other neoconservatives were at work within the corridors of power. We do not have the full story yet, but scholars like Lewis and Fouad Ajami of John Hopkins University reportedly played key roles in convincing Vice President Cheney to favor the war. Cheney’s views were also heavily influenced by the neoconservatives on his staff, especially Eric Edelman, John Hannah and chief of staff Libby, one of the most powerful individuals in the administration. The vice president’s influence helped convince President Bush by early 2002. With Bush and Cheney on board, the die was cast for war.

    Outside the administration, neoconservative pundits lost no time making the case that invading Iraq was essential to winning the war on terrorism. Their efforts were partly aimed at keeping pressure on Bush and partly intended to overcome opposition to the war both inside and outside of the government. On September 20, a group of prominent neoconservatives and their allies published another open letter, telling the president, “Even if the evidence does not link Iraq directly to the [9/11] attack, any strategy aiming at the eradication of terrorism and its sponsors must include a determined effort to remove Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq.” The letter also reminded Bush that “Israel has been and remains America’s staunchest ally against international terrorism.” In the October 1 issue of The Weekly Standard, Robert Kagan and William Kristol called for regime change in Iraq immediately after the Taliban was defeated. That same day, Charles Krauthammer argued in The Washington Post that after we were finished with Afghanistan, Syria should be next, followed by Iran and Iraq. “The war on terrorism,” he argued, “will conclude in Baghdad,” when we finish off “the most dangerous terrorist regime in the world.”

    These salvos were the beginning of an unrelenting public-relations campaign to win support for invading Iraq. A key part of this campaign was the manipulation of intelligence information so as to make Saddam look like an imminent threat. For example, Libby visited the CIA several times to pressure analysts to find evidence thatwouldmakethecaseforwar. He also helped prepare a detailed briefing on the Iraq threat in early 2003 that was pushed on Colin Powell, then preparing his infamous presentation to the UN Security Council on that subject. According to Bob Woodward, Powell “was appalled at what he considered overreaching and hyperbole. Libby was drawing only the worst conclusions from fragments and silky threads.” Although Powell discarded Libby’s most outrageous claims, his U.N. presentation was still riddled with errors, as Powell now acknowledges.

    The campaign to manipulate intelligence also involved two organizations that were created after 9/11 and reported directly to Undersecretary of Defense Douglas Feith. The Policy Counterterrorism Evaluation Group was tasked with finding links between al-Qaeda and Iraq that the intelligence community supposedly missed. Its two key members were David Wurmser, a hard-core neoconservative, and Michael Maloof, a Lebanese-American who had close ties with Perle. The Office of Special Plans was tasked with finding evidence that could be used to sell war with Iraq. It was headed by Abram Shulsky, a neoconservative with longstanding ties to Wolfowitz, and its ranks included recruits from pro-Israel think tanks.

    Like virtually all the neoconservatives, Feith is deeply committed to Israel. He also has longstanding ties to the Likud party. He wrote articles in the 1990s supporting the settlements and arguing that Israel should retain the Occupied Territo- ries. More important, along with Perle and Wurmser, he wrote the famous “Clean Break” report in June 1996 for incoming Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. Among other things, it recommended that Netanyahu “focus on removing Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq — an important Israeli strategic objective in its own right.” It also called for Israel to take steps to reorder the entire Middle East. Netanyahu did not imple- ment their advice, but Feith, Perle and Wurmser were soon advocating that the Bush administration pursue those same goals. This situation prompted Ha’aretz columnist Akiva Eldar to warn that Feith and Perle “are walking a fine line between their loyalty to American governments … and Israeli interests.”

    Wolfowitz is equally committed to Israel. Forward once described him as “the most hawkishly pro-Israel voice in the administration,” and selected him in 2002 as the first among 50 notables who “have consciously pursued Jewish activism.” At about the same time, JINSA gave Wolfowitz its Henry M. Jackson Distin- guished Service Award for promoting a strong partnership between Israel and the United States. The Jerusalem Post, describing him as “devoutly pro-Israel,” named him “Man of the Year” in 2003…

    Given the neoconservatives’ devotion to Israel, their obsession with Iraq and their influence in the Bush administration, it is not surprising that many Americans suspected that the war was designed to further Israeli interests. For example, Barry Jacobs of the American Jewish Committee acknowledged in March 2005 that the belief that Israel and the neoconservatives conspired to get the United States into a war in Iraq was “pervasive” in the U.S. intelligence community. Yet few people would say so publicly, and most who did — including Senator Ernest Hollings (D-SC) and Representative James Moran (D-VA) — were condemned for raising the issue. Journalist Michael Kinsley put the point well in late 2002, when he wrote, “The lack of public discussion about the role of Israel … is the proverbial elephant in the room: Everybody sees it, no one mentions it.” The reason for this reluctance, he observed, was fear of being labeled an antisemite.

    To be sure, the groups and individuals that pushed for war did not operate in a vacuum, and they did not lead the United States to war by themselves. As noted, the war would probably not have occurred absent the September 11 attacks, which helped convince President Bush and Vice President Cheney to support it. Still, neoconservatives like Wolfowitz, then- deputy defense secretary, were quick to link Saddam Hussein with 9/11 (even though there was no evidence he was involved), and portray his overthrow as critical to winning the war on terror. Thus, the lobby’s actions were a necessary but not sufficient condition for war. Without its efforts, the United States would have been far less likely to have gone to war in March 2003.

    Dreams of Regional Transformation

    The Iraq War was not supposed to be a costly debacle. Rather, it was intended as the first step in a larger plan to reorder the Middle East. This ambitious strategy was a dramatic departure from previous U.S. policy, and the lobby and Israel were critical driving forces behind this shift. This point was made clearly after the Iraq War began in a front-page story in The Wall Street Journal. The headline says it all: “President’s Dream: Changing Not Just Regime but a Region: A Pro-U.S., Democratic Area Is a Goal That Has Israeli and Neoconservative Roots.

    Pro-Israel forces have long been interested in getting the U.S. military more directly involved in the Middle East, so that it could help protect Israel.

    http://mearsheimer.uchicago.edu/pdfs/IsraelLobby.pdf

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  94. I’m fully convinced that in your deluded mind, you think there’s a bad-ole Soviet Union lurking just below the surface, waiting for the right moment to re-emerge and gobble-up all of eastern Europe.

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  95. Ease-up Alexander. You misread my comment as criticism of Hitler’s actions rather than praise.

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  96. “That’s sounds exactly like what Adolph did to the same group of people who had done the same thing to Germany.”

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  97. Iraq war was caused by Evangelic supporters of Bush . Bill Graham and S Baptists Church along with oil lobby waged this war. Syrian war is the product of Assad ‘s reluctance to help America against fighting Iraqi resistance .
    Israel hasn’t attacked any ountry after 1982 and hasn’t planned ny regime change .

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  98. I know you, Carroll (I have read much of what you have written),so I can understand your point of view..

    But in my book, two wrongs don’t make a right .

    I certainly do not need to revise my opinion of dear Adolph, to condemn the crimes I have born witness to, over the last 15 years.

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  99. Nice handle, Bibi. It explains a lot about your nonsensical comment.

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  100. don’t bother e with th facts my mind is made up

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  101. Ah! They’re from the _Guardian_. Now I get it. I knew I recognized an unpleasant odo(u)r.

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  102. You mean PNAC was a evangelical conspiracy to implicate Kristols, Perles, Kagans, Wolfowitz, Feith and such? And is it really true that you have no idea about the Israelis’ plans re the Golan Heights? The importance of the Golan Heights for Israel explains the incredible tenseness and generosity of Israeli medical personal towards the “moderate” Islamists. http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Report-Israel-treating-al-Qaida-fighters-wounded-in-Syria-civil-war-393862
    The Yinon Plan is another primary source that you need to familiarize yourself with before accusing the ordinary Americans in designing the Middle Eastern slaughter: “A Strategy for Israel in the Nineteen Eighties (The “Yinon Plan”)”, by Oded Yinon, Translation Israel Shahak, Kivunim (Israel) , Voltaire Network, 1 February 1982: http://www.voltairenet.org/article186019.html

    http://www.voltairenet.org/article185957.html

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  103. Britain declared war on Germany. America stayed out for ages. Your facts are all messed up.

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    Britain declared war on Germany.

    correct

    America stayed out for ages.

    correct

    Your facts are all messed up.

    wrong.

    My statement and your first two facts are correct; neither set of facts tells the whole story.

    When Churchill declared war on Germany he had neither the money, manpower nor materiel to wage a war — that’s why Poland was hung out to dry — or bleed.
    When Japan attacked Pearl Harbor, Churchill went to bed and “slept the sleep of the saved and thankful.” The sentiment is reminiscent of that other special relative, Benji Netanyahu, who said that “9/11 is good for Israel.”

    Churchill desperately needed USA to enter the war. That’s why the British sent 1000 propagandists to the USA to “educate” the American people in the necessity of war, and in the threat that the evil Hun posed to the American people and homeland.

    It was those British propagandists — or their brethren in Canada — who were responsible for the “Map” that FDR revealed to the American people in a Fireside Chat. The Map supposedly provided evidence that Germans intended to land in South America, fight their way up the continent and capture Washington, DC (maybe they were going reduce Fala to a wiener and roast him over the fireside. Ya just don’t know with those dastardly Deutschers.)
    The whole thing was a fake. A fraud. Calculated to incite the American people to hate Germans enough to want to kill them.

    Operation Mincemeat tells a fascinating tale of the disinformation campaign carried on by British intelligence regarding where in Italy the Allies would land. The disinformation office was directed by a Jewish lad, Ewen Montagu, born into a fabulously wealthy banking family. Montagu’s brother Ivor was a Communist spy who penetrated German secrets to a very high level. He travelled to Hollywood where he collaborated with Charlie Chaplin and “worked as a producer on five of Alfred Hitchcock’s [anti-German propaganda] films.” [p. 22]

    In other words, the British displayed a mastery of propaganda that was deployed in the USA to incite the American people to wage war on their German kinfolk.

    The people of the USA resisted the dirty tricks, character assassination, career-busting, and heavy doses of Hollywood film demonization of Germany, led by just those groups that Lindbergh named: FDR’s administration; the British (and Anglophiles like Henry Luce); and Jews, for a number of years until Pearl Harbor presented the event that could not be ignored.

    It’s also worth noting that Tyler Kent was imprisoned by the British for the duration of the war. Kent, like Snowden before him, took documents that he had access to by virtue of his work in British-American communications.

    Kent’s arrest followed a search of his London flat where hundreds of Embassy documents were discovered. These included telegrams exchanged between President Roosevelt and Winston Churchill via the American Embassy in London.

    Their exchanges were politically explosive at the time because Roosevelt was coming to the end of his second term as President and, until 10 May 1940, Churchill had only been the First Lord of the Admiralty. He became Prime Minister ten days prior to the arrests. Did the two leaders have something to hide?

    plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose

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  105. Meanwhile in Italy:

    http://www.thelocal.it/20160218/erdogans-son-probed-for-money-laundering-in-italy

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  106. http://www.thenation.com/article/the-heartbreaking-irony-of-winter-on-fire/

    We know why Levy Boy left out the most important fact in his article on WINTER ON FIRE, the Ukraine documentary.

    And it is ironic that he left it out since his article is about how the film left out a crucial fact and is therefore more political propaganda than documentary.

    I think he left it out because he’s probably Jewish. ‘Lev Golinkin’ sounds Jewish, though I could be wrong.

    I mean let’s speak some truth here. The Ukrainian ‘uprising’ wouldn’t have happened without US backing. US pumped $5 billion toward pulling it off. And let’s face it. US is ruled by Jews. Yeah yes, we’ve all been told it is ANTISEMITIC to say so, but it’s true.
    Just look how both parties suck up to FAR RIGHT ISRAEL. Look how all politicians whore themselves before AIPAC. Even so-called ‘progressive’ Bernie Sanders cheered while far-right Netanyahu reduced Gaza to rubble. And US pours billions in aid to Israel even though it continues to occupy West Bank and steal yet territory from Palestinians.

    Anyway, just like the Chile coup wouldn’t have been possible without US-CIA backing — US also tried to oust Chavez during Bush yrs —, the Ukraine coup(it was a coup) wouldn’t have happened if not for US subversion via NGO’s, spies, agents, and etc. And who were at the center of this? Jews like Victoria Nuland.
    Now, the Nation magazine pretends to speak truth to power. Is it willing to speak truth to Jewish Power. Will Levy boy go the extra step and call out on the Jewish role in all this?

    This is how the logic of Jewish global gamesmanship works:

    Jews support ‘far-rightism’ wherever it suits them but opposes it when it stands in the way of Jewish-dominated globalist agenda. This is why Obama, a puppet of Jews, is so chummy with ‘far-right’ and theocratic Saudi Arabia, indeed even against modernizing secular Arab nations. Jews care about their power above all. Or we should say Supremacist Power. Why do Jews hate Putin so much. Putin isn’t anti-Jewish. But he is anti-Jewish-Supremacism, and this angers Jews. Jews believe they should rule Russia like they rule the US. They want Putin to be like a total cuck like Hillary, McCain, Graham, and the rest. Putin has no beef with Jews, but he thinks Russia should be ruled by Russians. What? A white gentile nation that puts gentile power before Jewish supremacist power? No way! Jews want Russia to be under someone like McCain or Suckassvili of Georgia, a total cuck of Jews.

    There is an ETHNIC angle to all this. The whole stuff about Jewish Liberalism is a joke. The core of Jewish Power is far-rightist since Jews are into Jewish Supremacism. Jews only pretend to be liberal in gentile majority nation because they fear the power of the gentile majority going nationalist. This is why Jews hate Trump so much.
    But observe Israel, a majority Jewish nation, and we see the real nature of Jews emerge: tribal supremacism.

    Jews will aid and side with ANYONE to destroy its enemies. Jews hate Russia, so it will even side with far-right forces in Ukraine to bring down a pro-Russian government. But then, Jews used Obama to send arms to far-right Muslim terrorists to undermine the tolerant and secular Assad regime. Jews fear modernizing secular Arabs more than rabble of medievalist barbarian Muslims.

    Jews also advise Obama to side with right-wing Abe government to use Japan against China. Michael Auslin of AEI is one of the architects of this. It’s not about ideology. It’s about ethnic supremacism,and Jews will side with whatever group that boosts their own supremacism. Jews nearly gained total power over Russia in the 90s. But it slipped through their fingers. Jews are still very powerful in Russia and well-represented among oligarchs way beyond Jewish share of overall population. But that is NOT ENOUGH for Jews. Jews are greedy and want to own Russia just like they own the US. After all, why do Jews promote homo agenda? It normalizes elite minority rule. As Putin stands for Russian nationalism and Christianity, his themes are about national unity. Jews hate that. Jews want Russians to become like Americans who worship Jews and homos. Indeed, Jews now admit they were at the forefront of ‘gay marriage’ mania. And what is the new cold war about? Putin is ‘new Hitler’ because Russia won”t allow massive homo victory parades on red square. It’s all about Jews. Homo agenda has been funded worldwide by Jewish Wall Street, Jewish Hollywood, Jewish Las Vegas, Jewish Silicon Valley to promote the notion of ELITE MINORITY POWER AND DOMINATION. As such, it works as a proxy of Jewish penetration and domination of other nations.

    The funny thing about Ukraine is this: Jews both promote Ukrainian nationalism against Russia and undermine it in relation to the EU. Jews say ‘be more nationalist against Russia but drop your nationalism against Jewish-and-homo dominated globalism’. Notice that one of the first things Jews attempted in Ukraine is to have ‘gay pride’ parades, which are essentially victory parades of Jewish power in nations around the world.

    Now, not all Jews are wicked. Stephen Cohen in THE NATION has written about how unfair the western media is toward Russia. But even he ignored or hid the Jewish reason for this.

    It’s about time we speak the truth.

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  107. Beautiful. Something tells that the wealthy Bilal would be treated by the EU much better than the principled Snowden and Assange.

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/12/03/more-coming-out-on-isis-kingpin-bilal-erdogan/

    http://www.activistpost.com/2015/12/bilal-erdogan-the-real-isis-oil-minister.html

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  108. You’re quite right, “But in my book, two wrongs don’t make a right.” And that applies to the Jewish aggression in Palestine. “I certainly do not need to revise my opinion of…” Zionism.

    “The British government has issued new directives aimed at preventing public entities, universities and student unions from boycotting Israeli products. The new rules authorize the British government to take legal action against organizations that impose such boycotts.

    Even as a supporter of every form of resistance to Israel and Zionism and a supporter of the BDS principle, I am thrilled by these new draconian measures, as I am always delighted when Jewish power manifests its true face. There is a problem though. BDS has never taken on Jewish power. BDS is in itself a manifestation of Jewish power.”
    Gilad Atzmon

    read more, http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/2016/2/18/the-uk-government-bds-and-the-jews

    Naomi Wimborne-Idrissi on the Kosher Stamp and Israel’s ‘Right to Exist’

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  109. Most of history was a ‘crime against humanity’.

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  110. At least he has not tripped over and fallen down (YET) on an 18 year old girl to penetrate her by accident, as a Saudi millionaire got a free pass for in Britain:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3361640/Saudi-millionaire-cleared-raping-teenager-telling-court-accidentally-penetrated-18-year-old-tripped-fell-her.html

    But Italian legal system is not as corrupt as the British one, so the Turkish Prince, the Sultan’s son, may not get out of this as easily as his Saudi double. If you recall, the Italian legal system sentenced the CIA kidnappers and it took a political intervention to clear up most of them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Omar_case

    Let us see what happens.

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  111. Hi Robin,

    There is a very interesting book that was published in 2006 and written by an investigative reporter named Gus Russo. It took him over twenty years to complete .

    The title of the book is “The Super Mob” and it traces the rise to power of a group of Ashkenazi”s in the US over the course of the last century, whose hidden influence became so powerful, that they achieved an almost above the law status, and were able to bend to their will nearly every aspect of American society and politics.

    The genius of the Super Mob, lay in controlling both ends of every spectrum…They controlled, not only the Gangsters but the Police too, they controlled not only the Democrats but the Republicans too…..So nearly every angle of every conflict, and its resolution worked, in some way, to their benefit.

    One interesting tidbit in the book was the chapter on the Japanese Internment Camps. Hundreds of thousands of Japanese Americans were rounded up and placed in detention centers during the course of WWII….If any one stops to wonder what happened to all their businesses, land, homes and assets…while they were all held in detention…..that is where the Super Mob, according to Gus Russo, steps in.

    They had their guys running the shop that controlled all the asset forfeitures the interned Japanese were forced to endure…and ended up selling off these assets, at pennies on the dollar…to themselves!

    Then , of course, they turned around and sold them at just below market prices….They must have made hundreds of millions of dollars (by today’s standard)on that deal. Hundreds of millions.
    What happened when all those Japanese Americans were finally released ? Our government eventually offered them compensation packages that amounted to about ten cents of every dollar lost, the bill for which was placed squarely on the shoulders of yours truly, the american taxpayer…and the Super Mob…walked away….. neat and clean as a button.

    Not too shabby.

    At least Jack and Bobby Kennedy, didn’t think so. According to another chapter in the book and the numerous declassified FBI files it refers to,, Bobby Kennedy set up an elite FBI task force assigned exclusively to tracking the Super Mob and bringing them down.

    Were they successful ?…….No.

    (but sometimes I wonder how close they got)…the FBI task force was completely disbanded shortly after Bobby’s death.

    So , Robin, if you are wondering how the Super Mobs genius at controlling both ends of the spectrum would translate into our century’s never ending “War on Terror”……Oh boy….hold onto your hat…..it would translate into having its “invisible hand” lording over not only all our counter-terror agencies….but all the terror groups they are, in fact, at war with.

    Super Mob power, in our heroic “Age of Terror”, if it existed, could only be understood as controlling, influencing, and in fact, generating …. the Terror …….and all the Counter Terror measures, too.

    Now that is Real Power,…….. Super Mob style.

    The genius of the Super Mob……”controlling both ends of every spectrum” was never underestimated by Gus Russo, in his book, but his copious investigations as to their techniques of influence and control…stops well short of the 21st century.

    It is up to you to extrapolate from it, whether their influence has extended into our present time.

    I wonder what Gilad Atzmon would say ?

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  112. Somebody who thinks that there is a Jewish conspiracy to rule the world qualifies more for the description Wacko than I do. If you have ever tried to organize anything involving people you will understand the impossibility of such things.

    “Impossibility of such things” — please inform the Jews of this!

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  113. “So …. if you are wondering….”
    Actually, what I’m wondering is whether you’ve decided not to join us (after all) in our campaign for liberty from the Israel Lobby.

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  114. Alexander,
    What you are describing is the Zionist crime syndicate that controls the governments of virtually every Western nation -without exception.

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  115. What if there is no Liberty from the Lobby, Robin ?

    Unless we can get a POTUS to act… decisively and definitively…..there is no” Liberty from the Lobby”.

    But lets assume, for the sake of argument, that the “Super Mob” is alive and well and, perhaps, fifty times more wealthy and powerful then it was in the time of Mr Russo, and that one of its key manifestations is the “Lobby”…..

    What is the point of our campaign ?

    To take down the “Super Mob” ? To take down the Lobby and all its manifestations of power ?
    To put em in federal prison, claw back in excess of one trillion dollars to the american taxpayer, and re-chart a course for our country based on justice, human decency, the rule of law and our constitution ?

    What are we, Robin ?

    A bunch of “Superheroes”…who…. after all these decades of fraud and corruption , finally took down the “Super Mob”….and brought em to justice ?

    Is that what you are suggesting ?

    Is Phil going to be Batman…to you…his Robin ?

    Is Geo going to turn into” Geo-man” ?

    and I will become Alexander…..the Great ?

    I suppose we will charge in, with our “cup of coffees” (courtesy of Geo) like Sergeant York coming over the hill…. and lay waste to this pernicious gang of Billionaire belligerents who have pilfered untold trillions of dollars from our nations coffers, and control, through fraud, extortion and bribery, perhaps, half the governments of the free world ?

    Is that the plan ?

    Is that the essence of our campaign?

    Is that the expectation, Robin?

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  116. and I will become Alexander…..the Great ?

    Unfortunately, Alexander, you have not lived up to your name:

    Etymologically, the name is derived from the Greek Ἀλέξανδρος (Aléxandros), meaning “Defender of the people” or “Defending men” and also, “Protector of men”, a compound of the verb ἀλέξειν alexein, “to ward off, to avert, to defend” and the noun ἀνήρ anēr, “man” (GEN ἀνδρός andros).

    You sure sounded like you were the real deal:

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    1. Perhaps and perhaps not ,S2C,

    It my well be that the United States (and the world) has suffered “enough” at the hands of the lobby, the neocons, Israel and their tilt toward an “all conquering” Fascistic Supremacism ?

    Maybe Americans are fed up with having to expend tens of trillions of dollars in feckless wars of aggression ?…
    .Maybe Americans are fed up with seeing obscene amounts of “their” money heading out of “their” pockets into the hand of the Neocons, and their pernicious designs for “world domination” ?
    Maybe Americans are sick of the fraud that has infected our governments decision making processes…one that has taken all their money…and gifted it…to the one percent?

    I , for one, don’t appreciate being defrauded out of “any” money, let alone trillions of dollars to destroy the lives of millions of innocent people who were never truly a threat to us to begin with.

    Do you?

    I think stating the facts, openly and honestly, is more than a fair substitute for “self immolation”….

    Don’t you, S2C ?

    Maybe our” March” is happening at a time…when the sacrifices our nation has made, at the hands of the” Neocon Agenda”, has reached a saturation point ?

    On the other hand, maybe we should “wait” S2C,…. until our national debt reaches the” 60 trillion” dollar mark ?…….Maybe we should wait ,S2C…until the UN Refugee Agency reports that “350 million” refugees from the neocons wars of aggression are wandering the earth in utter desperation….not 59 million ?

    Maybe we should wait…until its all in the rear view mirror,….. before we ever make a stand against it?…….Maybe that is, S2C, the safest way to go ?

    2. Could not agree more, Geo.

    I think having the music that underscores the reality of what is really going on…will empower the march…and give it that consolidating power..to unify the marchers in their drive to demand from their elected officials…..significant change…..if, in nothing more, than addressing, squarely, the wanton criminality of our policies…and an overdue accounting…for the fraud that has enabled them!

    3. OO-RAH !!!!

    LETS DO IT !!!!

    4. We need to find a way to be free from this, Carroll, it has gone too far.

    Perhaps our march for Liberty …in 2017 …can start a march in the right direction.

    Its worth a try.

    5. For the USS Liberty….and what befell her

    I’ll Be there, Phil

    For all the fine men whose lives were “stolen” on that fateful day.

    I’ll be there.

    For the families, and loved ones still crying out for Justice,

    I’ll be there.

    For “all’ those seeking Justice for this duplicitous terrorist act,

    I’ ll be there.

    For all who see our Liberty being torn from us, today, in no less horrific ways,

    I’ll be there.

    I will march for our boys lost then,
    I will march for our boys lost now,
    I will march for our Liberty lost then and now

    I will march for freedom.
    I will march for justice.
    I will march for whats…..”True”
    I will march for ……a “reckoning”

    Long overdue.

    6. I think Phil is right,

    Using the 50th anniversary of the ” USS Liberty incident” as a target date for a “Liberty from the Lobby” million man march…would have strong symbolic meaning for everyone who attends….Justice has been a long time for all our men who died on that fateful day….a long time coming !

    But, unfortunately, it turned out to be merely words.

    C’est la vie!

    So, here is the updated list:

    geokat62
    SolontoCroesus
    RobinG
    Carroll Price
    Cloak and Dagger

    If anyone else on this list would like to drop out, please do so sooner than later.

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  117. Sorry to say, I was afraid this was the case. Alex. is well informed and can be eloquent inside an internet bubble, but he has consistently discouraged any real-world activity, either because Jews “deserve a homeland” or because Israel will pre-emptively massacre Palestinians, and now because the Zionist Lobby is so well entrenched that ‘resistance is futile’. His conclusion in all cases is that Americans should quietly submit. I don’t know whether he’s being purposely subversive or if this is just his genuine feeling of hopelessness. He has flip-flopped radically on what our prospects are, one time saying there are probably many Americans who are waiting to participate in a “Million…March”, another time saying only one out of millions has heard of Yinon Plan. That’s okay. He thought up our great name, LIBERTY FROM THE LOBBY. Thanks for that, Alex. Everyone can only do what they are able. No worries, we’re making progress.

    Now as for the name Alexander, that ancient Greek guy was never Great in my book. Our friend Avery lives to condemn the Turks and Uyghur hordes. Well, the Greeks did about the same, in the opposite direction. Greatness in those days was measured by military conquest. In Pakistan today, there’s a virtual (elite) caste of descendants of Alexander’s invading army, probably mostly by rape or enslavement. (Maybe the gene tribe will come after me about this. That’s ok, they don’t impress me.)

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  119. Ge0,

    Where did I say…..that I was out ?

    Where did I say…..that I wouldn’t be there ?

    What I am asking Robin, and suggesting to all of us is that we clarify what it is we need to accomplish and why .

    From my frame of reference,there is only one person, in our country who is in a position to act on this effectively…and that is the POTUS.

    An executive order emanating from the oval office would make the difference.

    As I see it ,we need to petition the President to act.

    This should be the goal.

    Consider where we are today and where we will be in ten years time, if we don’t ?

    Will there be 100 million refugees from the Lobby’s pernicious wars of aggression roaming the earth… Will there be 300 million……500 million…..a trillion ?

    Will They have drained our nations coffers of another $13,000,000,000,000.00 defrauding us into their perverse addiction to perpetual war against people who never attacked us and never intended to ?

    Will the tally of the Lobby’s heinous debt creation, foisted on the american people, reach $40,000,000,000,000.00…..$60,000,000,000,000.00…..$80,000,000,000,000,00…or perhaps $100,000,000,000,000.00 before we all wake up to what they have done?

    Will 99% of our nations wealth be stealthily pilfered out of the hands of its all its citizens into the hands of the war making .001 percent ?

    Will all our rights and perhaps our entire constitution be fully exterminated by then, by the Lobby ?

    What does the world look like if its given over completely to the Lobby’s whims , the Lobby’s avarice , the lobby’s greed and the Lobby’s insatiable appetite for murdering innocent people and creating suffering and chaos…….What will it look like, Geo, if they are not brought to heel ……and soon ?

    Look at the assault they have just launched against every Americans first amendment rights..that it now becomes a “crime” to speak…to petition…to boycott…what we choose..whenever we choose……

    What is that, Geo ?. Who does that ?….What are we bearing witness to …. if nothing more than a vicious terrorist assault against the US’s Liberty to be free men !?!?

    If its not the goal of the Lobby to foreclose on all Americans freedoms..then why create that bill and seek to force it through ?

    If it has not been the goal of the Lobby to defraud our nation into insolvency…then why are we nineteen trillion dollars in debt ? Why aren’t we running a surplus ?

    If it has not been the goal of the Lobby to murder innocent people then why have they initiated so many wars of aggression ?

    If the Lobby wishes to continue running the show…what plans do they have to make our nation a free, vibrant, creative and wealthy Republic ?

    What plans do they have to make up for the heinous crimes they have defrauded us into committing?

    What plans do they have to return to us the treasure lost in committing them ?

    What plans do they have to do that, Geo ?

    I see none.

    Is the best they can do ….to seek to pass a law to exterminate free speech ?

    Please.

    Well ,we have got a plan…and its a trillion times better, for the american people and our way of life…then theirs.

    And we are taking it to the President…and God help us all if he doesn’t act on it.

    God help us all.

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  120. {Our friend Avery lives to condemn the Turks and Uyghur hordes. Well, the Greeks did about the same, in the opposite direction. Greatness in those days was measured by military conquest.}

    Alexander the Great was nothing like the Turk and Uygur hordes, friend.
    The Persian empire expanded and clashed with the Greeks, as you know: no need to recount the history here.
    Athens was burnt to the ground.
    Alexander the Great then went after the Persian empire for invading and sacking Greece.
    Is that not true ?
    He was the Great, because of a relatively small force he commanded defeated far larger forces of the adversary, largely due to the military genius of Alexander.
    Hannibal is considered a great military leader, because of the incredible military feats and the defeats he visited on the mighty Roman legions.

    You are quite correct that greatness in those days was measured in military conquest. But there is conquest, and there is conquest.

    Wherever Turkic tribes invaded, nothing of the indigenous culture or people was left.
    Persia is still populated by Persians, even though Alexander’s army reached all the way to edges of India.

    The indigenous peoples of Asia Minor – Armenians, Assyrians, Pontic Greeks (latecomers) – were completely exterminated by Turk invaders from Uyguristan.
    Our genes were stolen.
    Our culture was stolen.
    Our wealth, created in generations of hard work was stolen.
    Our lands were stolen.
    Our children were stolen.
    People were forcibly Turkified and Islamized.
    And then there was the Genocide.

    That is the difference between Alexander the Great, and the nomad Turks my friend.

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  121. Our friend Avery lives to condemn the Turks and Uyghur hordes. Well, the Greeks did about the same, in the opposite direction. Greatness in those days was measured by military conquest.

    While it’s true that military conquests were the order of the day in ancient times, I don’t believe it’s fair to draw a moral equivalence between actions that were undertaken nearly two and a half millenia ago and those that occurred merely 100 years ago.

    The best argument for this difference I managed to find was this response posted on the Quora forum:

    Adrien Lucas Ecoffet

    Because in the time of Alexander the Great, neither conquest, nor slavery, nor even genocide were universally considered immoral, or at least not nearly as much as they are today.
    This means that:
    The story of Alexander was written positively about for a long time before the world’s ethics changed
    You can’t really blame Alexander for doing something that wasn’t considered bad at the time, and especially not for better succeeding at something everyone else was also trying to do

    If, however, this argument is shown to be flawed, to the extent genocides were committed by Alexander the Great, I’m prepared to condemn them.

    My point is that Avery has every right to condemn the Turks for what they did to the Armenians in 1915. I hope you’re not suggesting otherwise.

    btw – the name “Alexander” was a common one in Ancient Greece well before the arrival of Alexander the Great on the scene in 356BC.

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  122. An image of a cannibal, of a ziocon kind:
    “Ignatius writes, “It’s never too late for the United States to do the right thing — which is to build, carefully, the political and military framework for a new Syria.”
    Comment: “to build, carefully, the political and military framework for a new Syria” could mean only one thing: killing more people in Syria in order to put the sovereign state of Syria under the US (Israel) control.

    https://consortiumnews.com/2016/02/20/fearing-sanders-as-closet-realist/

    “Reading Ignatius and other neocon-oriented policy prescribers, it’s as if Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya – not to mention other failed states following U.S. interventions – never happened….”
    It is impossible to separate neocons’ ideas from the Oded Yinon plan: http://www.voltairenet.org/article185957.html

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  123. “My point is that Avery has every right to condemn the Turks for what they did to the Armenians in 1915. I hope you’re not suggesting otherwise.”

    I’m not suggesting otherwise, and that is a very good quote (Adrien Lucas Ecoffet) which points to the evolution of human consciousness and the concepts of right and wrong. (How much more recently than Alexander, our northern European Christian forebears were keel-hauling, burning alive, and drawing and quartering.)

    But Avery’s grudge against the “Nomads” seems to go back to Genghis Khan (who, some say, ran an equitable empire –after the initial ‘shock and awe’ into submission). These are the hordes I was referring to when I said that Alexander was going in the other direction.

    These are all interesting questions for scholarly discussion, but I’m trying not to get sidetracked. The 1948 Nakba was well within modern times. Since it was after Nuremburg you could say contemporary times –although, perhaps, the concept of ‘ethnic cleansing’ wasn’t articulated until more recently. Thus, as our consciousness evolves, we also revise our analysis of past events. But the Zionists were well aware of the evil of what they were doing -at the time they did it, and in the prior decades of planning it. That’s why they developed their modern myths of Israel, to fool the world and themselves. And that’s why the truth that debunks those myths is such a threat to them, why they ferociously defend their false narrative.

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  124. It is impossible to separate neocons’ ideas from the Oded Yinon plan:

    … or the PNAC Plan. Here’s a little more supporting evidence courtesy of our two truth-telling professors, M&W:

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    The Iraq war was not supposed to be a costly quagmire. Rather, it was in­tended as the first step in a larger plan to reorder the Middle East in ways that would benefit long-term American and Israeli interests. Specifically, the United States was not just going to remove Saddam Hussein from power and go home; the invasion and occupation would, in this dream, quickly turn Iraq into a democracy, which would then serve as an attractive model for people living in the various authoritarian states in the region. The results from Iraq would trigger a cascade of democratic dominoes, although it still might be necessary to use the sword to spread democracy to some countries in the Middle East besides Iraq. But once democracy took hold across the region, regimes friendly to Israel and the United States would be the norm, the conflict between Israel and the Palestinians would, in the words of the “Clean Break” study, be “transcended,” other regional rivalries would be muted, and the twin problems of terrorism and nuclear proliferation would largely disappear…This ambitious strategy, grounded in an almost theological belief in the transformative power of freedom, was a dramatic departure from previous U.S. policy, and there was certainly no indication before 9/11 that either Bush or Cheney would embrace it. Indeed, both men—as well as National Security Adviser Rice—were on record as being opposed to the ambitious kind of nation building that was at the heart of regional transformation, and Bush had sharply criticized the Clinton administration for its emphasis on nation building during the 2000 campaign. So what had produced this shift? According to a March 2003 story in the Wall Street Journal, the critical driv­ing forces behind this major change in U.S. Middle East policy were Israel and the neoconservatives in the lobby. The headline says it all: “President’s Dream: Changing Not Just Regime but a Region: A Pro-U.S., Democratic Area Is a Goal That Has Israeli and Neoconservative Roots.”

    Charles Krauthammer says this grand scheme to spread democracy across the Middle East was the brainchild of Natan Sharansky, the Israeli politician whose writings are said to have impressed President Bush…

    In August 2002, Yuval Steinitz, a Likud party member of the Knesset’s Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee, told the Christian Science Monitor, “After Iraq is taken by U.S. troops and we see a new regime installed as in Afghanistan, and Iraqi bases become American bases, it will be very easy to pressure Syria to stop supporting terrorist organizations like Hizbullah and Islamic Jihad, to allow the Lebanese army to dismantle Hizbullah, and maybe to put an end to the Syrian occupation in Lebanon. If this happens we will really see a new Middle East. Similarly, Aluf Benn reported in Haaretz in February 2003 that “senior IDF officers and those close to Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, such as National Security Advisor Ephraim Halevy, paint a rosy picture of the wonderful future Israel can expect after the war. They envision a domino effect, with the fall of Saddam Hussein followed by that of Israel’s other enemies: Arafat, Hassan Nasrallah, Bashar Assad, the ayatollah in Iran and maybe even Muhammar Gadaffi. Along with these leaders will disappear terror and weapons of mass destruction.

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  125. But the Zionists were well aware of the evil of what they were doing -at the time they did it, and in the prior decades of planning it. That’s why they developed their modern myths of Israel, to fool the world and themselves. And that’s why the truth that debunks those myths is such a threat to them, why they ferociously defend their false narrative.

    I agree, wholeheartedly.

    These are all interesting questions for scholarly discussion, but I’m trying not to get sidetracked.

    If I’m not mistaken, weren’t you the one who decided to enter the fray with this comment:

    Now as for the name Alexander, that ancient Greek guy was never Great in my book.

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  126. When I began to read Peter Van Burens tragic tales of epic fraud and waste in what was supposed to be the heroic “Marshal plan- like” reconstruction efforts in Iraq, it dawned on me what they were really doing.

    When the vast sums of taxpayer money going into the rebuilding of Iraq, as a vibrant citadel of democracy, turned out to be pocketed, in huge chunks, by the well connected no-bid contractors hired to the task…leaving Iraq exactly where it was….. a swollen, bleeding, burnt-out husk of a nation….the utter fraud of this entire Neocon Iraq war fiasco, and its aftermath, was laid bare to me.
    These people never cared about bringing democracy to Iraq….they could care less about the Iraqi people, democracy or the middle east.

    They only ever cared about neutering the hurting power of a nation that might pose a threat to Israels plan to steal all of Palestine and engorge themselves, by robbing the US taxpayer blind, in the process.

    I cannot think of a cadre of individuals, today, who despise democracy more than the Neocons.
    Every single action(crime) they have committed over the last 15 years is testimony to that fact.

    If you doubt me, look at the utter wreck Iraq is today… and see what they have done in our name.

    It was all Neocon fraud….fraud going in….and fraud coming out….just one giant syphon of taxpayer money into the hands of the greedy lobby and their one percent-er’s.

    There should be a cell block in Guantanamo Bay for each and every one of them

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  127. Not the way I see it, but I’ll try to refrain from giving any opening for going on a tangent. Probably should have added :)

    He said, “and I will become Alexander…..the Great ?”

    Then you said, “Unfortunately, Alexander, you have not lived up to your name…”

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