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There are a lot of expressions about standing up to bullies being the best policy. Unfortunately the White House has difficulty in following that sound advice when it comes to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his governing coalition of racists and thugs. And one might also add that the reticence also applies to dealing with Israel’s many friends in Congress, some of whom have apparently extorted their pound of flesh in exchange for their votes on the Iran deal.

Israel is already the military colossus in the Middle East, with formidable high tech ground, sea and air forces backed up by a semi-secret nuclear arsenal with modern delivery systems and several defensive missile system referred to as Iron Dome, Arrow 4 and David Sling. The defense systems were developed and deployed using $3 billion of U.S. Treasury special “grants” while roughly 20% of Israel’s annual total defense budget comes directly from the American taxpayer. This is all justified on the basis of sustaining Israel’s “Qualitative Military Edge,” an expression that has its own acronym QME and that is much loved by America’s national legislators, the White House and the media. In reality, Israel possesses an enormous military superiority relative to all its neighbors combined and has benefited from that capability for many years, all thanks to the United States of America.

But for some, too much is never enough. President Barack Obama is struggling to line up sufficient Democratic votes to block any congressional veto of his Iran agreement. At this point it looks like he will succeed, but the effort has brought with it the type of backstage politicking that most Americans have come to despise. Both Netanyahu and select Congressmen are being treated to a package of bribes for Israel that defies all reason, particularly given the fact that even the Israeli defense and intelligence establishments have split with Bibi’s government and sensibly declared the agreement with Iran to be better than any alternative. So even though defanging Iran is good for Israel, Washington nevertheless feels compelled to sweeten the pot, with actual American interests as usual ignored or not even considered.

How it all works has been revealed by Walter Pincus of the Washington Post, who apparently has seen a copy of a personal letter from President Obama that was sent to Democratic Congressman Jerrold Nadler, a representative from New York who was hesitating over how to cast his vote regarding Iran. Nadler’s district is reported to be heavily Jewish and the congressman, himself Jewish, has long been an outspoken advocate for Israel. The letter he received may have been similar or even identical to letters presumably sent to other Congressmen who have also been sitting on the fence over the Iran deal.

Obama, to give him his due, cleverly focuses on “our enhanced support for Israel” as the way to get to Nadler’s vote, thereby enabling the Congressman to cite what Israel will be getting out of it as he explains to his angry constituents why he is defying the call by Netanyahu to vote down the deal.

President Obama, boasting in the letter that “no administration has done for Israel’s security than mine,” adds that he is “prepared to further strengthen the relationship.” Indeed he does. He commits the United States to extend the U.S. commitment to provide Israel with $3.5 billion per year for purchasing military equipment for an additional decade after the current George W. Bush era program expires in 2018. The letter notes a “unique element” in the purchase agreement which allows Tel Aviv to spend up to 26.3% of the money on Israeli manufactured equipment.

Beyond the $3 billion plus per annum, Obama also pledged to continue extra funding for “collaborative research and development for tunnel detection and mapping technologies,” a program that only benefits Israel. Israel will also be the only country in the Middle East to receive the new advanced F-35 fighter when it finally become operational next year, all paid for by the American taxpayer.

Apart from the fact that the United States is inexplicably giving billions to an Israel that has a thriving economy with Western European levels of income, there are a number of problems with this Obama deal and the nature of the “special relationship” that it represents. For Washington, Israel is the squeaking wheel that is constantly requiring applications of grease to keep quiet. The grease is liberally applied, but the wheel keeps squeaking, the noise generally emanating from the office of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who has been directly interfering in U.S. politics since 2012.

One problem is that the United States is allowing Israel to use the money to be armed and equipped in a fashion which is directly contrary to American interests. A May offering of $1.88 billion in new equipment to Israel included 50 BLU-113 5,000 pound bombs with special penetrating nose cones that can be used against underground targets. Those targets would include Iran’s nuclear facilities, most notably its Fodrow underground uranium enrichment plant. Israel’s friends have also been agitating for the much larger 30,000 pound version of the bomb together with the heavy bombers needed to drop it on target. If past history is anything to go by it is merely a matter of time before they are granted their wish.

Bombing Iran is not exactly a U.S. interest at the moment – quite the contrary. Is it far-fetched to imagine Netanyahu staging such an attack to upset the apple cart and destroy any chance of Iranian rapprochement with Washington? A month ago I would have said no, but last week former Israeli Prime Minister and Defense Minister Ehud Barak revealed that both he and Netanyahu did indeed want to bomb Iran in 2010-2012 but backed down because of technical issues and also due to the refusal of key cabinet members and military officers to support the decision.

A second problem is the authorization for Israel to spend American taxpayer money on equipment produced locally. Israel is a major weapons supplier worldwide, sometimes both selling and providing training to regimes that many consider unsavory. Its own military industrial complex was built up using the largesse coming from the United States and it now competes with American companies. It also has a well-established record of stealing United States developed military technology and then re-exporting it under its own label, a win-win for Israel but a lose-lose for American companies.

While I am far from a fan of America’s military industrial congressional complex, using American tax dollars to subsidize a foreign competitor is the height of insanity. It will cut into exports and cost American jobs. Combining that reality with the fact that no amount of bribery will make Netanyahu shut up and that Israel will likely use some of the gifted weapons in ways that will cause difficulties for Washington the constant introduction of more money and more arms for Israel is just not a good idea. Kudos to Obama for having proceeded as far as he has with the Iran agreement but if a Congressman from New York cannot for once perceive that a deal is good for America he should resign his seat and go home. Constantly playing the Israel card has not been good for politics in the United States and it has also not been good for Israel itself as well as for the Middle East region. It is time to cut the tie that binds.

 
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  1. what if this has been the strategy all along, or at least the point in the future where all plans converge? we sign the deal with Iran, arm Israel, then they, or we create a case of an Iranian violation, and poof, we’re at war!
    considering the sophisticated detection methods, introducing a radioactive substance, should be a cinch! (See Syrian gas attack)
    The race for approval of the deal was the warm up act to get us all conditioned to acquiesce to another damned war in the ME.
    It may not convince anyone else in the world but who cares,

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  2. Would Israel’s military officers support the decision to bomb Iran if Netanyahu is given the toys required to effectively bomb Iran? Is it the feasibility that they protested or was it the stupidity of it all? There is nothing sadder than a whipped Empire. The Iran deal is a great accomplishment and what will the rest of the world do if Israel starts a war with Iran over false pretenses? Will they come to the aid of a state that is becoming more fascist as time goes on?

  3. no amount of bribery will make Netanyahu shut up

    Cutoff all foreign and diplomatic and military aid to Israel, for real.

    It is time to cut the tie that binds.

    To cut the ties with Israel would require eliminating or breaking the Jewish national victim cult scheme that dominates United States politics.

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  4. Is $3.5 billion, mostly spent in the US and much of it adding to America’s scientific and technical knowledge base, such a bad, or even a big investment? It pales into insignificance compared with invading Afghanistan or Iraq. It pales into insignificance compared to the waste in America’s health care systems just in case your imagination needed a prompt. All those defensive systems like Iron Dome sound like a cheap investment and it is hard to see why the US, within its policy constraints, shouldn’t regard support for technological advances like improved tunnel detection as a relatively good use of money. (Indeed tunnel detection might be very useful on the border with Mexico).

    So, that part isn’t shocking. Of course Netanyahu is not to be trusted any more than the Iranians – or Pakistan or Russia for that matter. The trouble is getting Germany, China, Russia, the UK and France to maintain sanctions would be impossible so the idea of rejecting the deal is probably ridiculous. I say “probably” because I have just read that inspections under Obama’s deal will only take place after 24 days notice. If so that is ridiculous. The only mitigation lies in the inspectorate’s ability to counterattack if subjected to long waiting periods with evidence at the end of incriminating material having been moved. Two much evident cleaning up and the retaliation could be (perhaps… I assume the treaty would allow it) multiple notices of inspection which would require much Iranian R&D to be aborted.

    On my one visit to Israel, three months ago, I saw little sign of its prosperous economy being easily able to afford all the outlays it makes. The Bedouin and the Ethiopian Jews constitute huge deadweights on the economy, as do the Ultra Orthodox in their various hues (the latter make a disproportionate contribution of retarded children thanks to their inbreeding habits; indeed it is hard to think of anything economically positive about them: the Amish they are not). Even the creation of the 8th or 9th research university at Ariel in “Samaria” was a subject of angst because it is requiring other universities to lose funding. And the two years nearly all young Israelis spend in the IDF is a big negative as is the size of the defence budget. The hotels I stayed in, despite plenty of stars, were pretty shoddy, as were the city streets, not least in Tel Aviv, though not so much Jerusalem.

    Maybe someone would care to do the figures thoroughly but I’m tentatively saying that I agree with you except that I guess Obama’s getting out of political trouble pretty lightly at a few billion dollars to get the votes in Congress. The more articles like yours saying it’s outrageous the better the White House will like it.

    Let’s not forget that Israel as military superpower is good for the US once you consider the cost of Israel being seen as weak enough to tempt neighbours to attack and America not being able to wash its hands of possible Iranian or Arab military victory.

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  5. support the Boycott, Divest, and Sanction campaign against Zion-in-Palestine @ http://www.endtheoccupation.com …it’s the only way that the bloody albatross that is Israel will ever be gotten off America’s back

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  6. Wouldn’t it be better (and cheaper) to see the deal rejected? Stripping a rogue nation of its most important allies would be a major plus for the planet.

    • Agree: SolontoCroesus
    • Disagree: Sam Shama
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  7. Is $3.5 billion, … such a bad, or even a big investment? It pales into insignificance compared with invading Afghanistan or Iraq.

    Nice try. The trillions spent on wars in the ME are for Israel’s benefit, as well… all in an effort to make the jungle a little safer for the villa. You should give Mearsheimer and Walt a read, should you have any doubts.

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  8. “…as he explains to his angry constituents why he is defying the call by Netanyahu to vote down the deal.”

    I thought polls indicated that most american jews supported the deal?

  9. Don’t forget the village idiot Christian Zionist Republican base!

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  10. How effective can the BDS campaign be?

    The Israelis of course make much of the accurately stated stats about the employment of Palestinians in the West Bank businesses and, apart from being most likely ineffective and avoidable, Palestinians are not going to be grateful. It occurs to me also that BDS will give a push to the huge efforts at development the Israelis are making in the Negev which is much larger than the West Bank. If Palestinians can’t be allowed to commute there to work there will be plenty of even cheaper labour available from India and the Phillipines.

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  11. That’s a point but in no way a point which answers what I suggested about $3.5 billion, not least that Obama might reasonably think it a cheap way of tying up the votes he needs.

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  12. You appear to be saying that Obama is consciously aiming for a war in the Middle East. If so I need a lot of persuasion to believe that even remotely plausible.

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  13. Given the eloquence of Nadler’s statement defending the deal, the right wing Zionist vitriol against him, I’m not really against Obama giving him as many talking points as possible to defend his position. I really fear the guy (a friend of good friends, and I’ve seen him around Columbia University for forever) might be an assassination target.
    Plus, I doubt Obama has given his good friend Bibi any assurances about US UN vetoes, or the 30,000 bomb. I like your piece a lot, but politics is the art of the possible.

  14. That 3.5 billion is money taken from Americans and our children. Defending Israel is not the responsibility of the US government or the American taxpayer. Who cares where they spend the money? I would spend all of it in the United States, but you don’t see the Feds shipping me 3.5 billion in American tax money.

    Israel could disappear tomorrow and it would be a net positive for the American people.

    You also need to add in the money spent bribing Egypt not to attack Israel as more of Israel’s welfare. That promise of bribe money was the worst thing Carter did as president.

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  15. 3.5 billion is a radio active waste ,not a regular recycle able waste or safe non hazardous waste

    It makes Israel powerful enough that it can threaten US allies in the region- Iraq in 80s,Egypt in 2000,attack Lebanon,kill Arafat,push America around ,derails peace ,decries and denounces Oslo,builds wall builds settlement,and grabs lands.
    ( Israel using its media then reminds America that Israel is its only ally WHENEVER ARAB CITIZEN COMMITS TERRORISM AGAINST AMERICA IN RESPONSE TO US SUPPORT TO ISRAELI CRIMES . ISrael reminds America that Israel is doing Americas war against terrorism when ARAB COUNTRIES TRY TO RESIST ECONOMICALLY OR POLITICALLY BY JOINING WITH SOVIET OR CHINA IN TREATEIS AGAINST AMERICA AFYER THEIR REPEATED FAILURES TO MAKE US LISTEN TO THEIR GRIEVANCES AGAINST ISRARL

    THOSE NEEDS to seek Israeli support of abstract nature WOULDN’T HAVE ARISEN IF US NEVER SUPPORTED THE ACTIVELY ENGAGED ENEMY OF ARAB which has been Israel .
    To the contrary Israel never supported America during 1949 , neither in Lebanon in 1980 or during Hostage Crisis in Iran or during 2003 wars against Iraq or during Oslo peace process in 1991 or during 2002 unrest in Palestine . By taking advantage of chaos from post WW2 to post 911 and post 2003 , Israel has harmed and endangered America

    The money and the technology stolen from west have made Israel so powerful that its interlocutors in US and its military strategists or historian can even threaten West with Nuclear winter ( some communication professor in Louisiana State University and one famous Von Credel from Israel articulated these threats in no uncertain terms )

  16. support the Boycott, Divest, and Sanction campaign against Zion-in-Palestine @ http://www.endtheoccupation.com …it’s the only way that the bloody albatross that is Israel will ever be gotten off America’s back

    We should change sides, yay! Why not just bomb Israel, yay!

    Idiot.

    How could it possibly be in America’s interest to take the Arab side? You think they will reward you? Haha.

    How about a simple formula? No aid and no interference with either side?

    The world might then see the US as a poor potential ally who doesn’t remain true, but I think the world already sees the US that way.

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  17. Is America doing same stuff against Netanyahu or his administration or his regime that US is doing against Iran,against Pakistan,against Russia?

    Problems of Bedouin or Ethiopian Jews are the problem of Haredim run Israel not of US. It has no place in discussion other than stating that America isn’t to subsidize Torah reading or flying Ethiopian Jews or grabbing lands from Bedouin.
    By subsiding Torah readings, America is helping in more religious inspired violence ,contributing to more religiously inspired right wing political shifts ,and promoting more religiously infused violence against Christian and Muslim.

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  18. Israel could disappear tomorrow and it would be a net positive for the American people.

    I don’t think it would make much of a difference. You’d save a bit of money. But there’d be one less rock on which the Muslim demographic tsunami can break.

  19. No you don’t need to add the money promised by Carter to Egypt whether or not it is a good or bad investment by the US judged by its own interests and what it has achieved. Why? Because the argument you are purporting to answer only has to do whether Obama can reasonably regard the $3.5 billion (or the lesser amount which is added to what would be paid anyway) as a good investment in getting the votes for his deal. It is equally irrelevant that 26 per cent will be spent outside the US or in on assets which will belong to Israel because it is not possible to say what the alternative would have been in the context of America running giant deficits financed by the Chinese and Japanese at almost no interest.

    That said I could easily make a case for wishing that the Balfour Declaration could be nullified ab initio. I would like the somewhat fanciful but actual proposal for Jews to be given a national home in Australia’s Kimberley Region to have become a reality. The local Aborigines could stand in for today’s troublesome Bedouin and the southern hemisphere Israel could be suffering from the Dutch disease because of the iron ore….

    It remains true that the US couldn’t wash its hands of Israel if it was attacked and likely to be defeated by anyone. So making sure it is well armed can be regarded as an insurance premium against the US having to go to war for Israel directly.

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  21. I don’t know what you think that has to do with what I wrote any more than I understand what you mean by “Haredim run Israel”. That suggests to me that you don’t know what you are talking about. The ultra orthodox in Israel use their swinging votes in the Knesset to win privileges which have nothing to do with foreign policy or defence – except to get themselves out of defending the country in the IDF.

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  22. ” American Jews are disillusioned and disenchanted with Obama on his stand on the Egyptian revolution ( not supporting Mubarek and then not supporting Sisi ) ” from Chicago Tribune

    say everything Americans need to know who is the enemy in the garb of an American ally in Middle East and what that ally does to the region hitting American interest .
    Israel is the one who tells the world – hey look you can’t trust America ,it is forsaking Mubatek and Sisi.

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  23. The nature of the true feelings of the European – German. French,British and rest to Isarel have always been
    -http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4695440,00.html
    depicted in the pictures of the doves shitting on Isreali regime.
    Years ago French envoy called it a little shitty country.
    Years ago a true Zionist and a criminal same time Sarkozy correctly described another colleague in crime Netanyahu as a liar . He had had enough. Mafia wa turning on each other.

    This sanction was never in the interest of Europe . So the moment they saw the opportunities ,they ran with it instead of drowning themselves to rescue some liar in both houses of US.

    So your observation of this breakout day or that 24 are the same BS that colored WMD arguent against Iraq. The promise and the conduct of the argument were abd are illegal and are framed by Israel. Israel says – hey this should be the red line – knowing fully no country would allow a red line on the sand of its sovereignty . So when that fictitious Zionist driven and drawn red line is erased , Israel says- hey ,red line is crossed – lets kill some Muslims .
    So take your worry about Iran not following or complying to Israel.

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  24. Israel designates to America who should be it ally or who is.
    Wolfowitz in 2003 wanted military in Turkey to be the vassal state’s ruler
    In 2013 Israel , American Jews wanted Mubarek and after Mubatek, Sisi to be the designated ally .Ahmed Chalabi was one truly desired .
    Shah in Iran in tow with SAVAK and Abbas in Palestine are the Israeli embodiments of what an Ally would be .
    Israel created a true ally by name Idi Amin also out of whole cloth of military training in Israel .

  25. You should revise or get an editor. I haven’t a clue what you are talking about. But that maybe is because it was just something you wanted to utter and only nominated as a Reply to me by some slip.

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  26. My theory of many years has been everytime we give a $ to an Israeli we give a $ to a Palestinian, it
    would take time lapse photography to catch the Zionists rushing for the Peace Table.

  27. Gee Wiz,

    Hmm – for a supposed Gentile you sure know everything about Israel – how does this happen?

    Could you really be a deceitful Little Jew?

    Isn’t deceit a major part of the Jew character – isn’t that how David became king – isn’t his deceiving his father by “pooling the wool over his eyes” proudly celebrated by Jew religious culture?

    Isn’t “by deceit we make war” the proud motto of the murderous Mossad mob.

    Tell us — Art

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  28. If you’re anti-Israel, giving them F-35s should make you happy.

    Peace, love, truth,

    The Grate Deign

  29. Israel is the one who tells the world – hey look you can’t trust America ,it is forsaking Mubatek and Sisi.

    If Israel is saying that, then Israel is right.

    Compare and contrast with how loyal Iran and Russia have been to Assad in Syria.

    Those two countries seem like they will stick with you through thick and thin.

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  30. Is $3.5 billion, mostly spent in the US and much of it adding to America’s scientific and technical knowledge base, such a bad, or even a big investment?

    A waste of our money. A bad investment. Nothing scientific about it. A bad idea.

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  31. Your comments do not appear when I read the Comments because I have included you in the list of Commenters to Ignore but the fact of your commenting in reply to me is communicated to me by email. Please refrain from replying to my comments. I will not be replying to you so it is a waste of your and my time for you to attempt to engage in dispute or discussion with me.

  32. Uncritically boosting Israel’s offensive capacity removes any remaining incentive for it to engage in diplomacy and likely makes further military adventurism a virtual certainty.

  33. America has plenty of its irons in the warfires currently raging in the Middle East. That was Obama’s boast, that it proved how tough he is on Iran. Syria is the latest objective.

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  34. Nuclear weapons in the mid-east give a new meaning to mutually assured destruction. Most of the countries adjoining Israel are much too small and close packed –at least the urban areas- to use such weapons. Israel wasn’t thinking when it introduced such weapons to the area. As with India and Pakistan, if your bellicose neighbor has such weapons it’s necessary to match their status.

    It was a major and obvious mistake for Israel to pioneer such weapons. The better course would be for them to engage with an offer purge the nukes in return for an enforceable pledge from others in the region to do likewise.

    Milking Uncle Sap by stoking the threat is getting old and more dangerous.

  35. Do you *know* that there is no addition to Americans’ useful scientific or technical knowledge which is what I take you to mean when you say “nothing scientific about it”?

    And is it a bad investment as
    (1) Obama’s way of ensuring there are enough votes to sustain the deal with Iran;
    (2) An insurance premium to keep Israel strong enough for America not to have to get caught up in another Middle Eastern war (which would happen I am sure you would agree
    if Israel was attacked by a force which might defeat it)?

  36. Would you care to elaborate? I am not sure what this is intended to tell me or whst point or points of mine it may be answering

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  37. “Your comments do not appear when I read the Comments because I have included you in the list of Commenters to Ignore”

    Gee Wiz,

    How you work this site is your business (what a weenie).

    You make your comments to the general public – so you will get comments back – that is how freedom works.

    I will continue to point out the disconnect between your claim to be a Gentile and your vast knowledge of all things Jewish/Israel/Zionist.

    You cannot pull the wool over peoples eyes forever.

    Buck up Wiz — Art the Honest (smile)

  38. KA is basically trying to say that whole sanction business was dangerously defective American product made in Israel for Israel.
    Argument in favor of sanctions was never bought by anybody in Europe or Asia. EU went along with the American efforts so that it could avoid being sanctioned by the US (at the urgings of Israel).

    The true feelings to Right wing/ Likud party have been communicated by EU at different times over last 15 years or so.

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  39. What is your position on Adam Lanza’s mother giving him guns and taking him to shooting range to boost his confidence?

    How about Dylan Roof — his father gave him a gun for his birthday. Good idea or bad idea?

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  40. Priss Factor [AKA "The Priss Factory"]
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    “Bribing Bibi and His Proxies to Behave”

    This misses the more crucial point, i.e. Bibi is himself the proxy of globalist Jewish power. It is wrong to see this in terms of sane Jews + Obama vs Bibi + insane Jews(aka Neocons). Rather, so-called sane Jews of J-Street are using both Obama and Bibi to get what they want. They see the deal with Iran as workable and even beneficial(at least for the next decade or so), but they also see Bibi as valuable in creating a ruckus to have more ‘aid’ and goodies be sent to Israel. J-Street Jews really love what Bibi is doing. They pretend to be angry and stand by Obama, but they know that without Bibi’s antics, Israel won’t get the extra goodies out of it. Suppose Bibi were silent and went along. Iran Deal would pass, and that’d be that. There would be no cause for special packages for Israel. But if Bibi throws tantrums and GOP cuckservatives follow suit, then the Democratic Party will have to play ‘super-friend of Israel’ and offers tons of goodies in supplication.

    So, we have to see Bibi as a bit player in the overall drama of Jewish power.
    Look, as powerful as the Neocons are, far more powerful are the Lib Jews. If Lib Jews who control government, Hollywood, Harvard and Ivies, Silicon Valley, law firms, Wall Street, and etc. really wanna put Bibi in his place and kick his ass, they can do so in a heartbeat. But why do they allow Bibi to get away with so much? Because his antics pressure the Democrats to offer more to Israel, indeed more than what Iran will get out of the deal.

    Also, there is no real difference between J-Street Jews and Neocons. Outwardly, they pretend to bicker, but they are both for Jewish tribal power. Jewish Liberal Conscience is always about beating on wasp privilege, ‘white guilt’, Russian evil, German evil, Spanish evil, Polish evil, French evil, and etc. but it’s never ever about Jewish evils. If Jewish Liberals were truly liberal, they would be self-critical. Except for odd Jews like the MondoWeiss guy, it’s not the case. As far as I can remember, the New Republic Jews were just as fiercely Zionist as National Review Jews.

    Also, just as Liberal Jews are not really liberal(when it comes to self-criticism of tribal interests), Neocon Jews are not really conservative. Sheldon Adelson, the biggest donor to the GOP, isn’t conservative on any issue. His only ‘conservative’ issue is Zionism, but it’s entirely about Jewish tribalism, not about what is good for all Americans. On every social and political issue — immigration, ‘gay’ agenda, diversity, and etc. — Adelson is no different from George Soros and Elena Kagan. American Conservatives, having been cuckized, suck up to him because he’s a rich Las Vegas mogul(degenerate new conservatism is all about money, money, money) and because the only permissible tribalism in the GOP is pro-Zionism(despite the fact that most Jews, neocons included, hate white people and are waging a war on conservative white America that is no less vicious than the war on Russia).

    Remember GOODFELLAS? Tommy(Joe Pesci) was acting bad, but the gang bosses let him run wild as long as he was bringing in the dough and paying tribute. He was useful. They finally got rid of him cuz he killed a ‘made guy’. Anyway, Bibi gets to do his Tommy act because the truly powerful Jews in the US, the Lib Jews, find him useful as the bulldog of Jewish interests. These Lib Jews are too ‘classy’ to act so vulgar for Jewish interests, so they leave the badboy act to someone like Bibi.
    Bibi raises the ruckus, and the nice Lib Jews(acting like Paulie played by Sorvino) promise to do something about it. But in the end, it’s all about raking it in all for the mob.

    “Obama, to give him his due, cleverly focuses on ‘our enhanced support for Israel’ as the way to get to Nadler’s vote, thereby enabling the Congressman to cite what Israel will be getting out of it as he explains to his angry constituents why he is defying the call by Netanyahu to vote down the deal.”

    Obama isn’t being clever at all. He’s fallen into the trap. J-Street Jews advised him on the deal. Now, he’s being attacked by Bibi and Neocons(something that J-Street Jews saw coming and secretly love), and so Obama has to cave to Israel even more to maintain Jewish support. To do this, he has to grovel before Jews and offer superduper packages to Israel.

    Obama is just a grocery clerk. The idea that he’s some grand strategist working all sides to get the deal is so ridiculous. The grand strategy is handled by J-Street Jews who want the deal but also want to squeeze maximum packages for Israel, and in this, they are secretly coordinating with Neocons and Bibi. I’m not necessarily saying that J-Street Jews, Neocons, and Bibi all got together in some secret smoke-filled room. But Jews telepathically can pick up on each other’s signals. It’s wink-wink.
    If you grew up with Jews, you know how this works. You know there is a general understanding among Jews, and I mean all Jews, whether ‘left’ or ‘right’.

    It’s the Marx Brothers pretend to be at each other’s throats all the time but are actually working together.

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  41. Priss Factor [AKA "The Priss Factory"]
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    This is the Jewish way.

    Partners-in-Crime.

  42. But let’s not forget our own turncoat fellow travelers in Congress. Senator Tom Cotton was in Israel yesterday meeting with Netanyahu and pledging to work with him against our own president. This is something very close to treason at least as the dictionary would define it though our constitution requires that treason involve collusion with a country with which we are actually at war.

    http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/cotton-will-stand-foreign-leader-against-us-foreign-policy

  43. The money paid as a bribe to Egypt must be added to the cost of Israel to the American people.

    We could very easily wash our hands of that alien culture on the other side of the world, if they did not control our government. Going to war for Israel is something we should never do.

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  44. But Jews telepathically can pick up on each other’s signals. It’s wink-wink.
    If you grew up with Jews, you know how this works.

    Priss,
    I am in the clutches of a left-hemisphere headache. Abe Foxman transmits messages, nodding and winking, “lay off all the criticism of Bibi, Israel and Zionism!” he says.

    What should I do?

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  45. Now with the mass immigration’s into the EU of “refugees” due to US, Saudi, and Israeli wars the NWO and Zionists can even further erode nationalist tendencies which would thwart their control of countries. Sovereign countries and nationalism are a major threat to the NWO and the Zionists.

    They can also bolster their domestic forces against the original populace by saying they are policing the new immigrants. Then many of these cash economy immigrants use social services paid by true taxpayers who then get short changed via austerity because there is not enough money to pay for it all. It does assure that those in power stay in power.

    What do they care. They live in rich gated communities, make money globally, and have homes all over the place. Then there’s another effect kind of like Mao’s Cultural Revolution. They have goon squads to destroy age old traditions, customs, and cultures which cements their control over a nation.

    This same model is being used to great advantage by the ruling classes in a Balkanized America. People are too busy fighting each other to challenge power. The immigrants become useful idiots and a decoy from the populace turning to issues that really matter which would have stopped the massive uncontrolled immigrations in the first place.

    We hear lots and spend billions upon billions for Homeland Security and whatever the EU does but how is it safe to have open borders? One thing the NWO has in common is support for Israel and immigration as a weaponized destructive force. Yet Israel, a country that Congress and Washington support heavily has one of the most Draconian immigration policies in the world.

    Something is certainly not Kosher here!

  46. When S2C is in the clutches of a left-hemisphere headache S2C listens to some upbeat, motivating music.

    Here’e hoping your left- hemisphere comes to its SENSes

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  47. How top Clinton confidants talk about Israel when no one’s listening:

    http://www.vox.com/2015/9/1/9239943/israel-clinton-emails


    Israel lobby influenced (owned) Congress pushes to derail Iran deal for Iran war
    :

    http://america-hijacked.com/2015/03/10/netanyahu-us-congress-hawks-want-to-torpedo-iran-nuclear-talks/

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  48. Gee Wiz,

    Here is what you have to defend.

    “The Israeli army should have shot a Palestinian family from the West Bank village of Nabi Saleh who saved an injured child from being arrested during the village’s weekly demonstration against the illegal confiscation of their land, a minister said.”

    https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/news/middle-east/20751-israeli-minister-palestinian-women-who-saved-injured-boy-from-israeli-soldier-should-have-been-shot

    The child was 11 – the woman who defended him was his mother. The Israeli minister who said that is a Zionist Jew woman. This is the trash our money goes too.

    Poor Little Jew Wiz –– I am so clad I am not YOU -=== Art

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  49. I would like the somewhat fanciful but actual proposal for Jews to be given a national home in Australia’s Kimberley Region to have become a reality. The local Aborigines could stand in for today’s troublesome Bedouin and the southern hemisphere Israel could be suffering from the Dutch disease because of the iron ore….

    I rather like the idea of a Jewish homeland in the Anglosphere. On the whole, I might have taken up raising sheep in the Kimberley, and enjoyed it a great deal more than suffering the current branding personally (not entirely undeserved, I might add, a share of the group blame….)

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    Indeed, he’s an apartheid apologist using every cliche from the Hasbara Handbook.

    Seemingly endless Zionist organizations engaged in propaganda

    http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/asa-winstanley/israel-tech-site-paying-interns-covertly-plant-stories-social-media

    Israel tech site paying “interns” to covertly plant stories in social media

    http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/israeli-students-get-2000-spread-state-propaganda-facebook

    Israeli students to get $2,000 to spread state propaganda on Facebook

    http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6175

    Jewish Internet Defense Force

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Internet_Defense_Force

    Zionist Wikipedia Editing Course http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/139189

    Who runs the Federal Reserve?
    Who runs Wall Street?
    Who owns the US Congress
    Who owns the White House?
    Who forces acceptance of the fictitious & impossible ’6M & gas chambers’?
    Who runs the media / entertainment?
    Who dominates ‘academia’?
    Why is AIPAC the most powerful, dominant lobby, which regularly writes the text of Congressional bills and resolutions.
    Who is it that wants to censor free speech via the “hate speech” canard.
    Who is it that demands we shed the blood of US troops for their interests?
    Who are the biggest racists on the planet?

  51. ART!!

    There you go again, slandering peace-loving Israelis.

    How dare you slander the poor IDF soldier who was only protecting himself from those “Pallywood” Palestinians!

    Thank goodness CAMERA has the real scoop and can straighten you out —

    http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=2&x_outlet=284&x_article=3095

    Nabi Saleh, near the Jewish community of Neveh Tzuf, is “where photographers gather every Friday to document repetitious scenes of Palestinian residents and international activists clashing with Israeli soldiers” and where activists often place their children in danger to score propaganda points.
    Nabi Saleh’s most popular Pallywood child star, known as “Shirley Temper” (aka Ahed. or A’hd, Tamimi), revived her recurring role as the symbol of Palestinian “resistance” on Friday, when she was seen attacking an Israeli soldier who had detained a rock-thrower during protests.

    Ahed is the daughter of Narimen and Bassem Tamimi, prominent activists in the Popular Resistance who evidently determine the girl’s protest “strategy.” As Sternthal noted, “rather than keeping their children at a safe distance from the often-violent clashes, the parents encourage their children to play highly visible roles in the confrontation with the army.” . . .

    (The term “Pallywood” refers to the staging of scenes by Palestinian journalists in order to present the Palestinians as hapless victims of Israeli aggression.) . . .

    What arguably stands out most about this video is the restraint shown by the Israeli soldier. He was shoved, hit and bitten and yet maintained his discipline throughout the incident until a commander called off the detention, citing the escalating violence. [CAMERA fails to mention that after his commander rescued him from the children, the brave IDF soldier threw a tear gas grenade at the Palestinian group.* The soldier did his share of shoving, elbowing, grasping, smacking, as shown in the video. We have Cameras too, CAMERA.]

    *youtube has removed the video that shows the soldier initially chasing and manhandling the boy; pressing him face-down on rocks, and, at the ending, pulling the pin from a tear-gas grenade and throwing it at the feet of the group of Palestinians.
    A version posted on Huffington Post does not show those scenes.

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  52. Haredim’s habit of free ride on rest of the Israelis is subsidized by the US .

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  53. Now you scratch your head ,may be then you figure out why Egyptians don’t like US administration . They see the obvious – America will not listen to Egyptians and even will hurt its own national interests to placate Israelis .

  54. Pallyywood was the word Nazi was almost about to use for the train to Auswitchz hurtling down to Hollywood for more effective propaganda .

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    “I am in the clutches of a left-hemisphere headache. Abe Foxman transmits messages, nodding and winking, ‘lay off all the criticism of Bibi, Israel and Zionism!’ he says.
    What should I do?”

    LOL.

    Interesting that you mention Abe Foxman because he’s been the Bibi-Joe-McCarthy of Jewish Power in the USA as the head of ADL.

    Foxman is like which character in SEINKEFELD? Newman of course.

    I think most Jews see right through Foxman. Deep down inside, they agree with Norman Finkelstein that Bibi is a loutish bully and scam-artist, a ‘hystericist’, and demagogue.
    Most Jews don’t want to act like Foxman. Too vulgar, too lacking in dignity, too pushy, too stereotypically Jewish, and etc.

    But SOMEONE has to do it. Someone had to do the ‘dirty’ work. Someone has to play the henchman, the bounty hunter, and brass-knuckle thug(albeit wrapped in the moral fabric of a velvet glove).

    So, Jews contribute a huge amount to ADL that dredges up endless instances of ‘antisemitism’ like Bibi sees nukes all over Iran(just like the homo-negro Flanagan aka ‘Bryce Williams’ saw watermelons watermelons everywhere, not a slice to eat).

    Deep down inside, Jews must know that Bibi and Foxman belong to a certain types of Jews with especially nasty and hostile personalities. If Foxman didn’t have the mantle of ‘holocaust survivor’ around his shoulders and if Bibi didn’t wrap himself with ‘never again’(this time Iran being New Nazi Germany) flag, people would have dropped them long ago like hot potatoes.
    Be that as it may, the fact is Jews are nervous about their power and the future of Israel, so they need to morally bully and badger the goyim and constantly sound the alarm about the ‘existential’ threat against Jews and Israel.
    So, Bibi keeps saying nukes in Iran are just around the corner. And ‘Jewish translation’ turns Iranian statement such as ‘Zionist regime will one day fall’ to ‘we will wipe Israel off the map’.

    Look at this video clip:

    Isn’t it so much like Bibi holding up the bomb chart?

    According to the video, there are so many cases of ‘antisemitism’ all over America on a daily basis and unless they are nipped in the bud, they will lead to the new holocaust.
    Now, most Jews must be cracking up at this. Only dumb goyim fall for this shit. But Jews know their history, especially the Holocaust, and wonder if they should preempt bad shit before it happens… because you never know.
    But then, ironically, such zealously mindless hunt for ‘antisemitism’ may actually lead to real anti-Jewish hatred in the future. Why? Because great power needs to be checked and countered in order to remain healthy and decent. All power, regardless of who has it, will grow more corrupt if left unchecked. As Jews are the ruling elites of the US, their power need to be scrutinize and countered. Jews do good things, Jews do bad things. And bad things need to be called out. But with ADL and the like screaming ‘antisemitism’ all the time — and the label is now more injurious to careers than being called a commie during the so-called McCarthy Era — , there is total silence about Jewish power. So, what happens? In the absence of criticism, Jewish power grows more corrupt and worse and worse… and eventually people might not be able to hold back anymore and then anti-Jewish sentiments may explode.

    I think some Jews see the dangers and are beginning to criticize Jewish power because they understand this. If Neocons, Wall Street gangsters, Hollywood degenerates, and etc. keep doing what they’re doing and if social decay and economic problems lead to a real mess, some people may start calling out on the Jews regardless of PC controls.

    Anyway, for the time being, I think most Jews see Foxman for what he is but also value him as a bulldog for silencing gentiles who might say anything that smacks of ‘antisemitism’. Most Jews don’t wanna be like Foxman. Woody Allen makes fun of Jewish hysteria and paranoia, and most Jews wanna come across as hip and funny and not over-the-top like Foxman. But they rely on Foxmans to control the Narrative. Let Foxman do the dirty work. Let ADL act shrill while the more dignified ACLU pretends to be about ‘civil liberties’ and higher principles.

    It’s sort of like CRIMES AND MISDEMEANORS by Woody Allen. When push comes to shove, the respectable doctor, the ‘good Jew’ of the community, hires his thug brother to get rid of the troublesome woman. Someone has to do the dirty work. And it’s people like that who win. And to maintain respectability, you always need others to do the dirty work.

    It’s like the French novel FEAR AND TREMLBING by Amelie Nothomb. The Japanese corporation is run by stern and mean-spirited task-masters, but it is because they do the dirty work that the top boss of the company can act so gentle and above-it-all.

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    We need a TV show.

    Leave it to Bibi.

    Or maybe Bibi can get his message across as music.

    Justin Bibi.

  57. Thanks for turning what KA said into coherent English (and confirming that he wasn’t contradicting anything I had said, contrary to what his tone indicated). At least I suppose you translated accurately. Is he your patient

  58. “Haredim’s habit of free ride on the rest of Israelis is subsidized by the US”.

    Are you asserting the prima facie ordinary English meaning of this that there are earmarked US government transfers of US taxpayers’ funds to Israel conditioned on the Haredim’s parasitical ways being maintained? If so I would make a big bet that you are wrong.

    Or are you just making an empty statement that lacks all differentiating significance because every transfer of money by anyone to anyone which lowers the net outlays of the Israeli government to any cause or purpose is a subsidy to the Haredim, to the IDF, to Israeli universities and just about everything touched by government?

    If not a vacuous statement, how so?

  59. Deep down inside, they agree with Norman Finkelstein that Bibi is a loutish bully and scam-artist, a ‘hystericist’, and demagogue.

    I reckon it isn’t deep down anymore, bubbling up to the surface in fact, the dislike for Bibi’s antics. One has to be halfwitted to even spend energy with the pretense that ADL pushes around. I think ADL employees are also sort of engaged in justifying their existence and collecting donations from the community. Most of the ADL desk gals are probably your typical yentas, delighting in collecting gossip, jotting down “complaints” etc., in other words, a “good day’s work”.

    Bibi sees nukes all over Iran(just like the homo-negro Flanagan aka ‘Bryce Williams’ saw watermelons watermelons everywhere, not a slice to eat).

    hahahahaa. Its really true. BTW in Israel the electorate, composed of at least the following groups: the hard liberal left with the gays, the center, the center right, the right, the crazy “religious” right winger zionists, are all engaged in an elaborate charade, to see which one among the politicians can get the most out of the USA. Its actually comical. They talk pretty openly and are actually pragmatic about it when you ask them, knowing fully well that all it takes is one determined POTUS to say NO firmly. I really wish that would happen. Truth of the matter is, (and when I spent some time on it after RTW pointed it out to me), the most insidious part of the US/Israel relationship is due to Israel acting as a broker-dealer for US manufactured arms to the world and collecting a commission in the middle. That I think is awfully difficult if not impossible to dislodge. I mean $3.5b is small change compared to the numbers we are talking about.

    Be that as it may, the fact is Jews are nervous about their power and the future of Israel, so they need to morally bully and badger the goyim and constantly sound the alarm about the ‘existential’ threat against Jews and Israel.

    Living in New York, I never gave any thought to the stereotypical jewish existential nervousness, nor really considered “jewish power” to be supreme or anything. Most folks I know are similarly disposed. They also believe that the Israel related charade has to end, and that need does not require any other compunction, other than its intrinsically distortionary nature.

    great power needs to be checked and countered in order to remain healthy and decent. All power, regardless of who has it, will grow more corrupt if left unchecked. As Jews are the ruling elites of the US, their power need to be scrutinize and countered. Jews do good things, Jews do bad things. And bad things need to be called out.

    Certainly true. There is jewish power no doubt, but aren’t the “five eyes” power even greater? (I always thought that the Wasps were the elites)

    FEAR AND TREMBLING, has been on my list to watch.

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  60. Thanks for that fascinating link to the Indyk and Berger emails. (I wonder if they were consulted before Mrs Clinton released them).

    What they say about Bibi is the long version of what one of the smartest leaders of Australia’s Jewish community said to me nearly 18 years ago. And Bibi goes on winning the keys to the House of Cards!

  61. CZ’s are a tiny minority, and are a minor political base for conservative Jews in the US.

    Israel is first and foremost a national victim cult, and it is dominated by both secular and conservative Jewish people.

    Unsurprisingly, the national victim cult in the US is dominated by the ideology of Democrat party secular Jewish, and Republican party conservative Jewish.

    Christian Zionists are aligned with conservative Judaism.

    Many if not most CZ idiots are also victim cultists.

    The American-Israeli victim cult scheme includes all these classes of people:

    women
    queers
    Jewish
    disabled
    Latino
    Arabs
    Asian
    afro-blacks
    military veterans
    native Americans

    In particular, many women and afro-blacks and Latinos and Arabs and military veterans and disabled are both victim cultists and Christian Zionists.

    Christian Zionist are not true Christians.

  62. I’ve said much the same thing as your second par myself though oil and countering Russia/USSR used to be enough reason for the US to involve itself in the ME. After all Eisenhower was not under the control of the Israel lobby. Now it doesn’t seem to be too much of an exaggeration to speak of “control” of quite a lot of Congressmen. No doubt that’s why Obama feels he has to treat $3.5 billion as marginal chickenfeed in the competition for votes in a good (or better than nothing) cause.

  63. Lousy idea to give them the guns, though maybe not to take AL to a shooting range. But your analogy fails. They were children and not already armed to the teeth.

  64. YouTube killed the video of the 11 year old Palestinian child and the masked IDF solder who was taking him down – that is the problem with Jews – they are an aggressive dishonest cultural gang.

    When it comes to tribal maters there is not one iota of difference between the lowlife scumbag Zionist Jew solder and scumbag Zionist Jew owners of google.

    Fascist Zionist Jewry is a plague on humanity.

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  65. And you told everyone your parents told you to respect Jews….

  66. Mr. Shapiro, a longtime benefactor of the New York senator and other Democrats.. said he spoke with Mr. Schumer about his meeting with Egypt’s president, Abdel Fattah el-Sisi, including the leader’s warning that the agreement would increase regional terrorism. – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/09/obama-and-zionists#sthash.YJ7iTqbe.dpuf

    Sisi is returning the favor . All along during the time of Morsi he was in touch with Israelis. Now Israelis are in touch with him .

    While Forward editor Eisner was suggesting to Obama how to repair relation with Israel -

    ” won’t it be much more difficult — won’t Iran be more formidable to attack 10 or 15 years from now when it’s stronger than the way it’s been the last few years, so isolated and so weak? – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/09/obama-and-zionists#sthash.9HAG9hyp.dpuf

  67. The fact is Jews do have a lot of power and money and influence.

    You, on the other hand, are a powerless maggot whose only recourse is to post hate-filled rants on the Internet.

    It sucks, doesn’t it?

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  68. There is no good parasite in Israel.

  69. … knowing fully well that all it takes is one determined POTUS to say NO firmly. I really wish that would happen.

    As long as presidential election campaigns cost over $1B and the Lobby underwrites the bulk of those costs, there is little chance a POTUS will just say NO, firmly or otherwise.

    Surprised someone with a +7σ IQ wouldn’t know this, Sam. You wouldn’t be trying to play us dumb goy for fools, again, would you? It’s probably something that is difficult for you to resist… but really, you need to try harder.

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  70. And you told everyone your parents told you to respect Jews….

    Indeed they did.

    They also counseled not to suffer fools gladly.

    I would welcome a critique of substantive points, if you care to make one, Sherman.

    Same goes to Sam Shama, who makes no substantive critique, just an offer to use everything in my power to have you exposed: your identity, lies and intentions, not much different from one of those ADL desk gals . . . probably your typical yentas, delighting in collecting gossip, jotting down “complaints” etc., snooping on commenters in an effort to expose their identity — in other words, a “good day’s work”

    By the way — I think I have found a response to one of the questions posed by Robert Cohen here:

    Holocaust denial will remain a fringe issue. The documentation is secure in its veracity and overwhelming in its volume. If anything, today’s school children are in danger of thinking that Churchill, Roosevelt and Stalin went to war against Hitler because of what was happening to the Jews. – http://mondoweiss.net/2015/01/auschwitz-revisited#sthash.qN1PhvnP.dpuf

    that is, since by implication Churchill, Roosevelt and Stalin did not go to war against Hitler because of what was happening to the Jews, why did Churchill, Roosevelt and Stalin go to war against Hitler?

    Historians Niall Ferguson and Hew Strachan seem to agree: Churchill went to war against Hitler because in his mind, Germany was contending for hegemony and the British could not permit their empire to be eclipsed or resisted. The British set out to destroy Germany because they were afraid they could not compete with the Germans and maintain their empire. As we know, the British may have destroyed Germany, but they also destroyed their empire. USA are you paying attention?

    It’s the same reason US maintains a war-like footing vis a vis Iran, and if you heard the John Hay Stepford Wives deliver foreign policy addresses in South Carolina, you hear precisely the same arguments launched against both Iran and China. Churchill had neither the manpower nor the finances to engage war with Germany so FDR needed to be drawn in. FDR was a willing co-conspirator, but there being no honor among thieves, FDR used the occasion to join Churchill in destroying Germany but then plucked the British empire out from under Winston. Stalin provided muscle and brutality, and also ran his own agenda, besting both Churchill and FDR by enriching Russia at the expense of the USA and of Germany.

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  71. The Jewish founders of Google are worth billions of dollars.

    You, on the other hand, are a lowlife loser who can’t even spell correctly.

    I mean, “maters” and “solders”.

    It’s no wonder you can’t hold a job!

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    “It sucks, doesn’t it?”

    Sure does. But it must suck even more to rant about a powerless maggot.

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    Sherman, why don’t you change the handle to Schwarzmann?

  74. these points are all valid. However, I base my judgement of BDS potential on 2 things:

    1) the prime mover, Anna Baltzer: smart, indefatigable, and EZ on the eyes. If she ever gets in front of a Congressional Committee, Israel is in deep trouble…

    2) the escalating attacks on BDS on the Zio/neo-con sites, and in Zionist print media as well; the current issue of Haddassah magazine, for example, headlines a lengthy, slanderous, hit piece. The “apartheid Israel” meme in particular appears to be snowballing, esp. younger US Jews

  75. The British set out to destroy Germany because they were afraid they could not compete with the Germans and maintain their empire. As we know, the British may have destroyed Germany, but they also destroyed their empire. USA are you paying attention

    You’re saying that the position of the USA relative to Iran is similar to the position of Britain relative to Germany pre-WWII?

    I know middle easterners are prone to bombast, but even by middle eastern standards, your chest beating is nuts.

    No-one, absolutely no-one, except insane Shia apocalyptics, argue that Iran is an existential threat to the USA as Germany clearly was to Britain.

    Sane people might argue that Iran is a threat to US interests but only middle eastern maniacs would claim that Iran could somehow dismantle the apparatatae of American power.

    As I’ve been saying, you need context and a sense of scale. In this case, you need to remember that Iran is a regional power in a highly contested region and with zero global influence.

    There are many, many countries in Iran’s league. America is the global superpower and still in a league of its own.

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  76. “Israel and its close allies — including Schumer — fought back by trying to implicate Syria in one of the most emotionally loaded issues of the day: drug trafficking. As one American official observed at the time, “It is in the Israelis’ interest to spin the drugs claim in order to keep Syria on the U.S. State Department list of countries involved in drug trafficking.”

    https://consortiumnews.com/2015/08/31/schumers-troubling-mideast-record/

    They are powerful. Money runs the machine.
    Faces change. Tomorrow it would be someone else .They betray the country . They betray the leader. Tomorrow it will be Wasserman Shultz unless she is already there -http://mondoweiss.net/2015/08/wasserman-schultz-bucking

  77. I’m not sure that this is a response to a point you are seeking to make as your own but I think the obvious probability of Iran being much stronger in 10 to 15 years time is just one factor of modest size that needed (needs) to be weighed in the balance. it is worth considering too the growth in wealth and power of higher birthrate Sunni countries like Pakistan and Turkey. If Pakistan weren’t still fixated on India (and Kashmir and Afghanistan) it could be a worry for Iran and Turkey, apart from a common interest in keeping the Kurds down certainly would be. But the point about Iran suddenly producing a nuclear weapon is that it won’t need war on the ground against it but swift strikes from the air. Iran wouldn’t launch direct attacks on Israel (though it might continue to stir Hamas and Jezbollah into action) because it would be totally destroyed. Of course much could happen over 10-15 years in Egypt or Saudi Arabia that might make the US glad it didn’t have Iran as top danger for a while….m

  78. I have just read an article from the Catholic Herald by Kevin Myers premised on the view (contested in the Comments) that Hitler didn’t want to invade Britain and couldn’t have when the glorious Battle of Britain, now about to have its 75th amnnivesary celebrated, was supposed to have saved Britain. The hypothetical was that Britain had made a deal with Germany (laughably like Denmark which was invaded and said to have saved most of its Jews because the SS leader there allowed it) but perhaps had come in to the war again when Hitler attacked the USSR…

    A commenter said that Churchill was just doing the bidding of the Jews! I suppose that kind of thinking finds something sinister in Churchill’s major biographer, Martin Gilbert being Jewish. I am aware that in those looser times Churchill received financial support in a way not now acceptable and that some money csme from a South African mining magnate, presumably Jewish. That Churchill was more than slightly influenced by anyone is clearly fantasy.

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  79. My reply to your #68 is at #80

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  80. Thanks for an informative reply. You obviously know a lot more about BDS than I do.

    Ideally all Israelis and Palestinians would join the same branch of modern civilisation and form one nation perhaps doing a number of radical things of which making English the common public language would not perhaps be the most remarkable. The fact that Palestinians on average aren’t as smart or productive as Ashkenazi Jews would only be a minor problem given those that Israel already drals with. But this rejection and reworking of the Zionist project is obviously impossible until convergence is well under way – above all in reduction of Palestinian fertility. Still your mention of the response of young Jews to the apartheid tag being applied to Israel prompted the thought that almost unimaginable changes in society can occur within a single generation, and easily in two.

  81. Thank you for your responses, WoO. You raise several critical points that I will list and discuss tomorrow — today requires travel & a conference.

    I scanned the Catholic Herald article; it’s depressing, especially the comments. Catholics are even dumber than Christian zionists. One quick refutation — a commenter dismisses Myers because Myers is a journalist not an historian, whereas the commenter’s uncle, cousin and nephew fought in the war — which, presumably, qualifies the commenter as an historian.

    William Shirer wrote the book that sold millions and from which most people derive their “popular” history of WWII. He was a journalist, not an historian. Shirer left Europe in 1940. And when Shirer wrote “Rise and Fall of Third Reich,” it was because he had recently been fired, was deeply in debt and desperate for income. He wrote what would sell, which was a good bet on his part, but it may not have been an accurate history and it has clouded the minds of many many people, to the world’s dismay.

    One other fact to toss into the stew that will dramatically change the flavor:

    In 1940 several European statesmen, businessmen, the Vatican as well as German diplomats presented peace offers to the British. Lord Vansittart dismissed them all. He was intent to destroy Germany, as stated below —

    It’s fair to say Vansittart hated Germany, not just Hitler and not even just the German people, he hated the idea of Germany.

    ” In Black Record: Germans Past and Present (1941), Vansittart portrayed German history from the time of ancient Rome as a continuous record of aggression. Nazism was just the latest manifestation. Therefore, after Germany was defeated, it must be stripped of all military capacity, including its heavy industries. The German people enthusiastically supported Hitler’s wars of aggression, just as they supported the Franco-Prussian War in 1870 and the First World War in 1914. So they must be thoroughly re-educated under strict Allied supervision for at least a generation.
    De-Nazification was not enough. The German military elite was the real cause of war, especially the “Prussianist” officer corps and the General Staff: both must be destroyed. In 1943 he wrote:

    In the opinion of the author, it is an illusion to differentiate between the German right, centre, or left, or the German Catholics or Protestants, or the German workers or capitalists. They are all alike, and the only hope for a peaceful Europe is a crushing and violent military defeat followed by a couple of generations of re-education controlled by the United Nations.

    Elsewhere Vansittart wrote:

    “We didn’t go to war in 1939 to save Germany from Hitler…or the continent from fascism. Like in 1914 we went to war for the not lesser noble cause that we couldn’t accept a German hegemony over Europe.”

    Vansittart was not an anonymous blogger, he was a senior British diplomat in the WWI and WWII era. His views prevailed.

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  82. You are witnessing a ( USA) Good cop vs( Israel) Bad cop routine.
    Another scam to fool the general public. Iran is a pawn and a sucker to believe America has any intent to become friendly . Recall Hitler(1920′s) Saddam Kaduffy–all promised goodies and destroyed.
    Another set up– Fund Israel to the hilt and Americans wouldn’t know the difference as a scam.
    Iran better stay put and keep a distance from any deals with evil American’s in control.
    Iran is been used as cheap w*ore. Sanctions will be lift temperately and assault will begin.
    Question to all? Why are politicians signing up for the Iran deal when most are Zionists?

  83. Just a reminder–England France declared war on Germany 1938 for invading Poland 1937.
    In 1938 Germany cities were aerial bombed. Now put that in prospective and do some research why Germany went into Poland.

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  84. I can’t really help what you think. I simply meant that we need a POTUS of stature, and I do believe that is in short supply. America tends to produce them in times of real crisis. Perhaps we are really NOT in one. The basic standard of living in this country is quite acceptable really, despite wide inequality. Pause before you deny this, by comparing it to the majority of countries. Most of middle America is basically your “Joe 6-pack”, comfortable and not particularly driven to do much. You get what you strive for.

    Do you know what it is costing Donald Trump to run his campaign thus far? Almost nothing compared to the rest of them. Clearly it is going to cost more as videos are produced, ground campaigns are financed, etc., all essentially a cost related to penetrate the slothful mind of J6P, to drag him off the couch in front of the TV, and go and push a lever for the horse which the delegates and super-delegates picked for the meaningless race.

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  85. Stick to the topic the writer is presenting, which, it might disappoint you – as everything flutters in front of your eyes as the new edition of Mein Kamp – is “Bribing Bibi and his proxies to behave…..”

    If you were depositing this tripe in Razib Khan’s posts, you would have been banned a while ago. Dr. Giraldi is far more lenient I suppose.

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  86. Many thing can happen over 15 years. Israel can attack again America,Egypt,or UK . It can try to kill a sitting president or bribe again a sitting president . Israel can camouflage its identity to make the requests look like as if coming from another country to get certain countries to vote in favor of Israel. Israel can start working on original Zionist plan of Eretz Israel by taking over part of S Arabia and Iraq.
    May be the world should force a negotiation on Israel for next 15 yrs to prevent Israel from buying or selling certain stuff and from engaging in certain staff .

    Only a psychopathic moron like Eisner or Schumer could argue for bombing Iran to stop Iran becoming powerful in distant future . They could largely due to the money but partly also from the knowledge that there are quite a lot of people out there who can obfuscate and confuse issue by rambling about Kurd or India or for the sky being blue . Eisner knows ,so does Schumer that no one would accuse them in public of being an anti American Israeli agent .
    Instead of fixation on Pakistan,may be you should consider this possibility of Israel grabbing more lands from neighboring countries and expelling Arabs from WB,Gaza,S Lebanon and Sinai while the bombing campaigns go on against Iran.

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  87. Your mention of Vansittart (the importance of whose influence I think you may be inclined to overrate) reminded me of s small (100 page) book published in 1942 with praise from Vansittart which I must finish reading. It is “German With Tears” by Peter F. Wiener a German teacher in the UK – and refugee. It consists of letters to a former student, by then a young intelligence officer dealing with German POWs. He had written to say how appalled he was at his inability to understand the mental, moral and educational formation (I paraphrase) of young Germans. Wiener gives chapter and verse to show that the vices of German education (mostly under Prussian influence I think) went back a long way – indeed Catholic Hitler was Luther’s heir….

    I am also reminded of a topical obsrvation in a review of a biography of Max Weber in, I think, the TLS. He complained bitterly about the ethnic and cultural changes being brought about by greedy land owning Junkers bringing in cheap Polish labour!!

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  88. See my reply to your elaboration on BDS at #83

  89. Quote A:

    I simply meant that we need a POTUS of stature, and I do believe that is in short supply. America tends to produce them in times of real crisis.

    name one, not including the founders.

    Quote B:

    go and push a lever for the horse which the delegates and super-delegates picked for the meaningless race.

    Doesn’t B. contradict A?

    POTUS has gotten out of hand in terms of perceived “stature.” It’s become Hollywoodized and imperial-sized. Time to trim back the “stature” of POTUS.

    Niall Ferguson argues that the real power in any nation is in the hands of bankers.
    If that’s the case, then in a Constitutional republic the people should have far more input and control over the activities of the people and offices that administer their financial affairs.

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  90. You are so profoundly ignorant of what anyone with half an education knows that you ought to be wary of exposing yourself in these columns if you don’t want to find some responder making my remrks seem grovellingly flattering in comparison. To wit….

    The UK declared war on Germany on 3rd September 1939 on account of the invasion of Poland which took place a few days earlier. Churchill does seem to have successfully provoked Hitler in August 1940 into diverting his attacks on Britain from the military priorities if he was to invade, namely destroying the RAF and its airfields, into attacking cities. Of course the Nazis had long since lost any claim to be more than tactically sparing of cuvilian targets starting with the destruction of Guernica in Spain.

  91. Sam – Our policy is to let people write what they want as long as they are not completely obscene or abusive about it. In no way does my silence on many of the comments means that either I or Ron Unz necessarily endorses the viewpoint. We are, however, willing to air as many alternative viewpoints as possible without censorship.

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  92. Schummer,Scultz and Sherman are honest. They are taking the position that can be understood as an expression of the love,fear,worries and concerns that relate to Israel. They have made that clear in the past on a number of occasions . Their anti American activities are not new also. It is in their resume and known to American.

    But Mark, Cotton or Menendez are fish of a darker kettle from a bygone era . They have the same dependency ,weakness,misplaced righteousness false bravado ,and readiness to compromise loyalties and ethics that Balfour,Lloyd George,Churchill,Truman and Dewey had.

  93. Not for the first time: you should try doing people the courtesy of reading what people actually say. Nowhere do I say anything that justifies your suggestion that I have a “fixation on Pakistan”.

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  94. Thanks for the reply Dr. Giraldi, I thought as much. I don’t subscribe to censorship either, but simply wanted to convey the idea that repetitious posting of essentially the same material (independent of its offensiveness to some) really tends to get in the way of forming a cogent trend of discussion.

    (I don’t mind it THAT much really, and in fact it might be a device to train patience and concentration :-) )

  95. Good to know that your still with us:)

    It must be tempting sometimes….

    As you may have noticed I am with you on this thread apart from my interpretation of the latest handout to Israel.

  96. I would agree that the presidential system, ie. with president as head of government not just head of state, has got out of hand. The US would be better off with an adaptation of the Westminster system though not with a single chamber elected by nationwide proportional representation as in Israel.

    But surely, whatever else you would say of him, Lincoln was a president of stature. And Teddy Roosevelt though you might dispute the “crisis”. The Rockefellers wouldn’t have however.

    And what about pre Iran Contra Reagan after the stagflation of the 70s and humiliation by Iran? Even if he was a Hollywood B movie actor.

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  97. “A partition with a smaller state was favored by Weizmann.

    On Jun 1937,Weizman presented his reasoning at a private dinner given by Sir Archibald Sinclair at which Churchill was present ,as well as James de Rothschild and several parliamentary supporters of Zionism: Leo Amery,Clement Attlee,Colonel Josiah Wedgwood and Captain Victor Cazalet . “” You know you are our masters,”” Churchill told Weizmann,and he added. Pointing to those present,”” If you ask us to fight,we shall fight like tigers””
    Churchill mounted attack on British government for being coward,not trustworthy,and for letting Jewish down. Churchill disagreed on partition because Churchill felt that small land of Weizmann would not be able to survive and Britain would not come to military rescue .
    Churchill and the Jews by Martin Gilbert page 121
    Churchill promised on 8 th June 1937 to the Jews ” England will wake up and defeat Mussolinin and Hitler ,and then your time will come too” arguing against the partition with smaller land much less than what was intended in Mandate.

  98. Sure,you are correct. I limited myself to your fixation to one country’s future course of direction when you were enlightening us with more than just one countries’s

  99. Crapulous- Your comment is a non sequitur. Latin for you.

  100. True, but our “leaders” would have to grow a pair to do that…

  101. That’s a very fair policy but your logic is obscured by your Israel as fount of all evil ideology. Obama’s Iran “treaty” looks like it will sail though. You as a putative conservative should rejoice but instead you heap more calumny on…….. Israel because Israel is your lifeline/ on political discourse. A one note Johnny. You only hate Zionism but not Jews. Right!!! This really shines though via your commentators. They are your students so rejoice once again even though you would never allow 80% of them in your house, your secure abode from which you pontificate. You have chosen failed third world Islam and will fail.

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  102. name one, not including the founders.

    Abe Lincoln

    Woodrow Wilson

    Herbert Hoover

    Teddy Roosevelt

    FDR

    Ronald Reagan

    B does not contradict A. It may be that diversity of the American economy, its population, renders it difficult to elicit a response from the population, however it might happen.

    POTUS is indeed somewhat imperial, and should be. I don’t believe in pure proportional representation. (Its a bloody mess in Israel, where devious creatures like Bibi are able to sway the public mind through fear-mongering).

    To Niall Ferguson, a historian turned poseur economist, everything looks like a bank. The man is a shameless self-promoter and could not give a twit for the betterment of the nation.

    That being established, the notion that bankers and industrialists are all powerful, is an idea I don’t subscribe to. Once again, it is in the province of a powerful POTUS to do the needful. In this regard, I find it quite useful to quote John Maynard Keynes, who in responding to FDR, pointed out the sheeplike nature of business leaders. (One might disagree with Keynes’ to varying degrees, but he was a brilliant man, with unparalleled insight into the workings of a capitalist system. He is so mistakenly labelled a socialist by the latter-day GoP idiots).

    Keynes wrote in a letter to FDR:

    Business men have a different set of delusions from
    politicians; and need, therefore, different handling. They
    are, however, much milder than politicians, at the same
    time allured and terrified by the glare of publicity, easily
    persuaded to be ‘patriots’, perplexed, bemused, indeed
    terrified, yet only too anxious to take a cheerful view,
    vain perhaps but very unsure of themselves, pathetically
    responsive to a kind word. You could do anything you liked
    with them, if you would treat them (even the big ones), not
    as wolves and tigers, but as domestic animals by nature, even
    though they have been badly brought up and not trained as
    you would wish. It is a mistake to think that they are more
    immoral than politicians. If you work them into the surly,
    obstinate, terrified mood, of which domestic animals, wrongly
    handled, are so capable, the nation’s burdens will not
    get carried to market;

    http://www.fdrlibrary.marist.edu/aboutfdr/pdfs/smFDR-Keynes_1938.pdf

    Are bankers in possession of all the levers of the nation? I should doubt it. They have power over credit, but that power is contingent on the laws and executors of those laws, with the POTUS at the helm.

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  103. Truer words were never spoken. Well said (posted).

  104. Grammar Nazis like you always crop-up when indisputable statements critical of the Tribe are made by people who do not necessarily use spell-check before publishing their comments. It happens so regularly until I am beginning to assume it constitutes an important element of Hasbara schooling.

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  105. You allowed a certain deranged reader to post a video of Nazis performing a violently anti-Semitic song.

    I guess according to you this is not “obscene or abusive”.

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  106. “You’re saying that the position of the USA relative to Iran is similar to the position of Britain relative to Germany pre-WWII?”

    As the above sentence indicates, your first mistake is thinking that the current problems with Iran has anything to do with Iran being a threat to the US. When, in fact, the current stand-off with Iran has everything to do with Iran emerging as a genuine threat to Israel’s economic and military domination of the Middle East. Which makes Solonto’s comparison concerning the rivalry between England and Germany an entirely valid point.

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  107. “Lincoln was a president of stature.”

    In four short years, Lincoln destroyed virtually everything the Founding Fathers of this country considered important. Which explains why the Establishment worships him today as a deity who breathed the breath of life into their nostrils.

  108. You’re 100% correct. When I studied at Hasbara University they taught me how to spell check.

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  109. We are not bribing Netanyahu.

    We are bribing those who are owned by AIPAC. We give them money to use as excuses, cover for not doing things as spelled out by AIPAC.

    The offer of money for Israel was made to Rep. Nadler, to influence him, not Netanyahu.

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    “You’re 100% correct. When I studied at Hasbara University they taught me how to spell check.”

    But you misspelled your name. It should be Schwarzmann.

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  111. ‘but instead you heap more calumny on…….. Israel because Israel is your lifeline/ on political discourse”

    So lets figure out who as individual or group has obsession that center around Isreal –

    “Berger wrote to Clinton about the Middle East in summer 2010, and he speaks a lot about the power of the Israel lobby. Berger advises sucking up to Netanyahu to pacify the lobby. All emphases are mine:

    -””At a political level, the past year has clearly demonstrated the degree to which the U.S. has been hamstrung by its low ratings in Israel and among important segments of
    the domestic Jewish constituency. This is a critical dimension not for electoral reasons, but because the U.S.’s best chance of influencing Bibi is to build support for
    a deal in Israel and at home among those who care most. That capacity has been improved to some extent as a result of the successful July visit by Netanyahu and the
    string of military/security deals between our two countries. But we must be honest: there sill is a long way to go. If anything, the recent Obama/Bibi illustrated a new,
    potentially perverse dynamic: the U.S. president at this juncture needs the Israeli prime minister to validate his pro-Israeli credentials more than the Israeli prime minister needs the U.S. president to vouch for his pro-peace ones…”””
    http://www.mondoweiss.net 9/2/15

  112. “by then a young intelligence officer dealing with German POWs. He had written to say how appalled he was at his inability to understand the mental, moral and educational formation (I paraphrase) of young Germans.”

    Gee Wiz —- You mean like Israeli children today – right!

    p.s. Sorry Wiz – you can never escape the evil of Zionist Israel. You can never be half Zionist. Fascism is fascism.

  113. Zionist claptrap.

    My favorite:

    “Let’s not forget that Israel as military superpower is good for the US once you consider the cost of Israel being seen as weak enough to tempt neighbours to attack and America not being able to wash its hands of possible Iranian or Arab military victory.”

    What the hell would be wrong with an Iranian or Arab (or better joint) military victory over Israel? What good American would want to “wash their hands” of any such thing—as long as the US stayed out of such a conflict entirely?

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  114. ‘Are bankers in possession of all the levers of the nation? I should doubt it. They have power over credit, but that power is contingent on the laws and executors of those laws, with the POTUS at the helm.’

    Attention Sam Shama,
    One of your conniving kin folk didn’t think so:

    “Give me control of a nations money supply, and I care not who makes it’s laws.” Amschel Rothschild, founder of the Rothschild banking dynasty.

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  115. Actually, Scharzmann is more of a German spelling.

    Schwarzman is more Jewish.

    Names ending “nn” tend to be German, not Jewish.

    You’re so stupid you can’t even get your anti-Semitic insults correct!

    :)

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  116. New conglomeration THE MILITARY-INDUSTRIAL-ISRAELI COMPLEX

    An old term updated. It’s no longer called Blitzkreig. It’s now SHOCK AND AWE.

  117. Start calling them what they are

    SQUATTERS………not………SETTLERS.

    A big danged difference.

  118. Carroll you are trying admirably to make some interesting points. Yet you might wish to read economic history closely. It might also help to stop using vituperations such as ‘conniving’ incessantly, as it clearly draws on limited resources.

    It was FDR who spearheaded and signed the Glass Steagall Act and the Banking Act, in 1932-33, and separated investment banking and brokerage from deposit banking and credit, to break the back of Rothschild ambitions .

    So again, a POTUS of stature has the power and the ability. We need one. Congress is useless.

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  119. Phil any link between the Hilary email scandal and the whole Libya thing? I just get the impression the leaks to the Washington Times and the opening up of an investigation into the email scandal isn’t payback by the deep state?

    I noticed the head of MI6 faced down the Prime Minster over Britain toppling Gadaffi.

    In a showdown over Libya at a meeting of the National Security Council, headed by the PM, Sir David and MI6 chief Sawers challenge him head on.

    Told bluntly by Cameron that his call for military action to depose Gaddafi is ‘in the British national interest, speak now or hold your peace’, they take up the gauntlet. Using the most direct language, Sawers delivers an astonishing personal rebuke to the Prime Minister, telling him it has nothing to do with ‘the national interest’ and saying Cameron is acting for ‘humanitarian reasons,’ pointedly drawing attention to the gulf between the two political motives.

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3215566/Ex-Army-head-PM-blame-rise-ISIS-Damning-accusation-Chief-Staff-explosive-new-Cameron-biography.html#ixzz3kcEcNVLR

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    “Names ending “nn” tend to be German, not Jewish.
    You’re so stupid you can’t even get your anti-Semitic insults correct!”

    You’re such a pathetic dammy. Stanley Kauffmann with two n’s was Jewish.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Kauffmann

    There are tons of Jews with two ‘n’s in the last name.

    Btw, you’re such a hissy bitch that I suggest SchwarzWOMANN instead.

  121. Someone should have told Chaim Weizmann

  122. It was FDR who spearheaded and signed the Glass Steagall Act and the Banking Act…

    True, but didn’t the banksters lobby Clinton to repeal this act?

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  123. If I were Dr. Giraldi I would prefer that commenters like S2C just disappear, go away, not post provocative material on my articles. I understand that.
    And I appreciate his forbearance and apologize in advance if his situation is in any way harmed by S2C’s comments. The last thing I wish to occur is for Dr. Giraldi’s voice to be silenced.

    The nature of the times are such that inconvenient facts are met with threats of censorship backed up with threats to one’s employment, career, associations.

    [MORE]

    Precisely that behavior was displayed here:

    “I will also use everything in my power to have you exposed: your identity, lies and intentions” http://www.unz.com/tsaker/europe-in-free-fall/#comment-1095647

    Statements — and behavior– like that are meant to intimidate and to silence.

    There is nothing antisemitic — or anti-Jewish, which is what I suspect you really mean — about the NSDAP national anthem, i.e. the Horst Wessel song.

    All things involving Germany in the 20th century have been so thoroughly demonized and bastardized that way too many people are incapable of assessing the bare facts — like the lyrics of the song as well as the circumstances of Horst Wessel.
    Get a grip people.

    The topic of this article is Benjamin Netanyahu’s hysterical antics and what he intends to achieve through them. We have seen what Netnayahu’s forebears have achieved through similar behavior — lying, demonizing, propagandizing, blackmailing, sanctioning to starvation, and the like. It did not end well for millions of German people who were the target of those lies, etc. in the 1930s, and if Netanyahu gets his way, the 21st century repeat of the same behaviors will not end well for the Iranian people.

    Posting a video of the NSDAP anthem is one small step toward de-conditioning a populace that is seriously brainwashed to the point of hysteria. Hysteria, like demonization, destroys the ability to think critically; they make accurate assessment of history impossible, which leads logically to the inability to make sound foreign policy decisions.

    The Horst Wessel Song

    Flag high, ranks closed,
    The S.A. marches with silent solid steps.
    Comrades shot by the red front and reactionaries
    march in spirit with us in our ranks.

    The street free by the brown battalions,
    The street free by the Storm Troopers.
    Millions, full of hope, look up at the Hackenkreuz
    The day breaks for freedom and for bread.

    For the last time the call will now be sounded,
    For the struggle now we all stand ready.
    Soon will fly Hitler-flags over every street;
    Slavery will last only a short time longer.

    Flag high, ranks closed,
    The S.A. marches with silent solid steps.
    Comrades shot by the red front and reactionaries
    march in spirit with us in our ranks.

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  124. That may be your policy, but Khan runs a much tighter ship. I don’t know if he’s actually banned anyone, but he certainly threatens — for not having read his article carefully, or just general stupidity.

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  125. Geokat you are correct. The repeal of Glass-Steagall was a HUGE error, and much of the instability in the financial system felt in 2008 was due precisely to that. Dodd-Frank Act since then, and the Volcker Rule attempt to remedy some of it, but fall short in many respects. My personal belief is that Dodd-Frank ought to be replaced with a higher capital ratio requirement for banks and disallowance to engage in speculative trading in derivatives.

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    “Khan runs a much tighter ship”

    He’s the most tight-assed anal-retentive prick in the world.

    He won’t let anyone comment unless he or she smooches his arse.

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    “There is nothing antisemitic — or anti-Jewish, which is what I suspect you really mean — about the NSDAP national anthem, i.e. the Horst Wessel song.”

    The song itself says nothing about Jews, but to the extent that it honors a Nazi ‘martyr’, it is an anti-Jewish Nazi song.

    Look, if Maoists have a song that glorifies a Maoist soldier, it may be a direct attack on capitalism. But to the extent that the soldier was devoted to fighting capitalism, of course the song would have to be seen as ‘anti-capitalist’.

    Now, the Horst Wessel song is pretty good, and I like much of Nazi stuff as propaganda aesthetics. But I like a lot of communist stuff on the surface too, especially Soviet songs.

    But as they meant to be used as cultural weaponry for certain movements and ideology, they cannot be seen apart from politics.

    At any rate, Horse Whistle is too political for me.

    I prefer this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fc-DgRO1SrQ

    Soviet songs are enjoyable too.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myg8Q0r8JnQ

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  128. Sam, given that GS has been repealed, do you agree that rather than breaking the back of Rothschild ambitions, the introduction of this legislation temporarily dislocated it?

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  129. We are not bribing Israeli PM unless we include the periodic deliveries of military gadgets often free of cost every few years ,unless we inlcude our perpetual consistent predictable vetoes in UN in favor of Israel unless we include our promises not to rock the apple carts over the settlement and barrier issues and our silence on the humiliation murder,and harassment at the checkpoints,unless we include our passing of information to Israeli intelligence on the very neighbors to which we are trying to carve out new directions ,unless we include our readiness to agree to Israeli concerns on the unfolding social and political issues in the Middle East .

    Taking a step back. I would like to know why Obama has been treated by Israel the way he has been ? What did he do? He hasn’t attacked Iran,he has disagreed with settlement activities and he has not attacked Syria the way AIPAC wanted.
    But are these actions illegal ,anti Amerucan,or anti general sentiment across the whole world?
    Same question could be hurled against American Jewish power both money and the votes . Why the Jewish agencies in US have continued to ratchet up this noxious reckless innuendo against Obama for last 7 yrs?

    The bribes to Israel come as gift as veto,as winking,as condoning,as saving from censures in international institutes ,and tolerance of relentless insults by Israelis against Obama administraion in hope that Israel will stop or curtail or freeze it’s thuggish illegal actions .
    When the American frustrations starts bursting at the seams, we hear the canard of antisemitism we hear the stabbing at the back of Israel,we hear the charges. of undermining of special relationship,we hear the criticism and suggestion and advice from the Israeli firsters from AIPAC ,ADL,and JINSA,FDD, and numerous other organizations and figures about what America needs to do to make Israel safe ,mollified,and strong enough to make correct decisions .

  130. […] 02, 2015 “Information Clearing House” – “Unz Review” – There are a lot of expressions about standing up to bullies being the best policy. […]

  131. You mean to tell me that German Jews don’t consider themselves German? What a surprise to the German people and people of other nations where Jews adopted Gentile names for the purpose of blending into the background as they looted the nation’s assets.

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  132. Thanks for coaching me on the proper use of words etc. As to the economic thing, it doesn’t require an economics professor to figure out that conniving Jewish bankers instigated every war this country has fought for the past 100 years or more. It’s no mere coincidence that the United States found itself embroiled in WW 1, only two years after the Federal Reserve Act was signed into law at the insistence of Jewish bankers.

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  133. You got it, dude.

    Me and all my buddies anglicized our names so we can steal all your money.

    Oops, being that you likely don’t have a job there’s not much to take.

  134. Joe Biden in Florida today speaking to community college students told them that it would cost only $6 billion to pay to send 1 million students to community college for 2 years.

    “Where would we get the money?” Biden asked himself. His answer involved a convoluted argument involving a lot of numbers and percentages and rationales that came down to “Tax rich people.”

    Biden was quite clear, however, when he made the point that it is in the long-term interest of the United States to educate its young people.

    There’s a much simpler way to get the money to send American students to American colleges for the benefit of the American people: stop sending money to Israel, where Israeli young people use the benefit of American tax remits to fund their technological advancement.

    What US taxpayers send to Israel could pay for almost 1 million American college students to complete two years of community college.

  135. Well I haven’t really studied the history as carefully as I would like to (perhaps soon enough), but G-S prevailed from 1932-1999, when Gramm-Leach Bliley came into effect. Very roughly, G-S gave the less profitable (and less prestigious) financial brokerage and investment banking business to the Jewish houses and the much larger, profitable and prestigious business of corporate credit went to the blue-blooded wasps led by J.P. Morgan and his Morgan Guaranty Trust company. To this day J.P. Morgan bank has a special dispensation, in that it is not regulated by the NY Fed (I think.).

    Funny thing happened in the 1980s and the 1990s, when Investment Banking became far more profitable due to technology financing and derivatives. So the brokerages like Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, Lehman Brothers, Bear Stearns became the envy of finance, and to no small measure thereafter, the lobbying efforts of J.P.Morgan, Bank of America and Citibank, led to the repeal of Glass Steagall.

    Rothschilds were never quite recovered in the US after GS, but did retain their prominence and influence in European banking, but did cede their leadership position to Deutsche Bank, Credit Suisse (although Roths hold shares in this one) and Societe Generale.

    Look I don’t for a moment suggest that bankers are not powerful, but they are not a force unto themselves, independent of the captains of industry (people such as Eric Schmidt, Marisa Mayer, Larry Paige, Bill Gates, Koch Bros etc, Warren Buffet), nor are they exclusively Jewish (J.P. Morgan, Deutsche Bank, Sumitomo Bank, Barclays, Citi, Credit Suisse etc) are powerful and overwhelmingly non-jewish in their shareholdings.

    To be honest, I don’t quite see why a strong POTUS could not bend all these bankers and industrialists to his will, dilute the power of lobbies etc. FDR certainly did so, but then again Obama is no FDR.

    ( :-) sorry did not mean to write quite so much)

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  136. You are only partially correct. Although the Horst Wessel song does not mention Jews by name, it does mention the “red front and reactionaries”, which for all practical purposes amounts to the same thing. I can assure you that Germans who heard the song would have known which group the “red front and reactionaries” was in reference to. Study German history of the period and you will find that Adolph Hitler and the Nazis party came into being as a result of Marxism. That is to say, for the purpose of preventing Germany from falling further victim to the same Jewish-led Bolshevik revolution that consumed Russia in 1917. And which led to Germany signing the Versailles Treaty after Germany’s capitulated as a result of the German Armament Worker’s strike and other serious social disorders brought about by Communist agitation among the German working class.

  137. To be honest, I don’t quite see why a strong POTUS could not bend all these bankers and industrialists to his will, dilute the power of lobbies etc.

    Sam, it’s the bankers and industrialists, along with the Zionists who are the largest contributors to presidential election campaigns. Once elected, presidents are reluctant to “bite the hand that feeds them.” Perhaps publicly funded elections are the solution.

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  138. Further to my previous comment, as was made abundantly clear during Ron Paul’s 2012 presidential campaign, there is little chance the gatekeepers would permit a strong candidate to become either party’s presidential candidate, let alone POTUS.

  139. conniving Jewish bankers instigated every war this country has fought for the past 100 years or more.

    As you are instigating my pineal gland to release sleep hormones. Good night.

  140. I’d be overjoyed if we had publicly funded elections. How to get it moving in that direction? There must be a way…

  141. Yes indeed, it was that slime-ball Bill Clinton who repealed Glass Steagall. But what do you think, Sam, of the new G-S introduced by Elizabeth Warren?

    And (relative to S2C @137 above) what did you think of her “Bank on Students” that would have had the Fed make low interest (.75%) student loans?

    There are also proposals (by 3rd party types) to Nationalize the Fed and make low or no interest loans (such as century bonds) to states for infrastructure improvement projects, plus modernization such as high-speed rail.

    Yes, a POTUS could do a lot, if he tried.

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  142. For your Comment to make any sense as a response to mine you have to suppose that

    1. Israel gives up nuclear weapons and/or otherwise makes it feasible for Iran or other ME powers to consider trying to destroy Israel, with the result that….

    2. It is attacked by Iran or Turkey or perhaps a revolutionarily transformed Saudi Arabia. and

    3. Neither the US nor EU, nor Russia nor India nor China will give enough assistance to prevent Israel’s destruction.

    No.2. is most unlikely but 1. and 3. are only the stuff that fantasy is made of.

    But you are writing claptrap with your brain switched off apart from emotions as confirmed by you throwing in something which makes no logical sense, namely your reference to Zionism. How was what I said “Zionist” as opposed to cold analysis of reality.

    And given that, in a cooler moment, you would agree that any war against Israel which it looks like losing is going to involve the US with whatever it takes (after all isn’t that what every paid up anti-Semite complains about?) why shouldn’t the US regard sharing technology with the Israelis and paying for some of its own products to be bought by Israel as an arguable worthwhile insurance premium. Yes, to spell it out, insurance premiums are paid as small amounts to protect you against costs which would really hurt.

  143. Apart from you list of presidents of stature I am really pleased to see that you understand that Keynes was indeed a now much misrepresented genius and great man** who let us all down by dying in 1946 before politicians misusing his name took us through the comparatively easy 50s and 60s to the 70s stagflation and, now, the stupidity of those who won’t spend cheaply borrowed money on needed infrastructure.

    **To embarrass some of my more choleric anti-Keynesian friends (who are usually contaminated by the more simple minded Austrians) I like to quote the great Friedrich von Hayek’s letter to Keynes’s widow in which he said Keynes was perhaps the only great man he had ever known.

    And thank you for postponing my reading more of Niall Ferguson. I was about to treat his book on the early 20th century as a follow up to A.N. Wilson’s absolutely outstanding “The Victorians” because I couldn’t believe that Wilson’s “After the Victorians” could be any more than cashing in on the earlier book. But my instinct from a little reading and seeing him on a TV doco told me he was perhaps as you describe him. Anyway, not to be relied on.

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  144. As the above sentence indicates, your first mistake is thinking that the current problems with Iran has anything to do with Iran being a threat to the US. When, in fact, the current stand-off with Iran has everything to do with Iran emerging as a genuine threat to Israel’s economic and military domination of the Middle East. Which makes Solonto’s comparison concerning the rivalry between England and Germany an entirely valid point.

    So the war is for Israel and because Israel is so powerful there will be a war, right?

    But what if there is not?

    Will you reevaluate your beliefs?

    No, because that is what rational people do.

    Let’s face it. There will be no war with Iran. Bibi has probably been playing bad cop in order to allow the Iranian negotiators to sell the deal to the hardliners.

    He is a bit part player in this.

    I’m so bored of this Israel is pushing the States to war with Iran shtick, it’s completely obvious that there will be no war and has been obvious for ages.

    Iran has been operating in de facto alliance with the US in Syria for a year now…

    Yes, there have been aggressive comments, speeches and think tank papers, but that is what happens during negotiations. Duh!

    Oooh but Israel must have lots of power because the Republicans gave Bibi loadsa standing ovations when he criticised our president!?!!

    Yes, he lucidly but bombastically criticised their main political rival and they clapped…how shocking…

    Oooh but some Jews boasted about how much influence they have for Israel back home! Yes, and if you walk around the streets of London you can find millions of Africans and Indians boasting about how rich and successful they are to their folks back home. Whatever. People like to boast.

    How about that one paper written ages ago by some random Israeli talking about how Israel should break down Iraq and then all these other countries????? People in think tanks produce papers…it’s what they do. There are papers produced supporting every course of action, that’s how they get paid…

    I know you guys feel that you have special information and that makes you feel special but really you just have no clue how the world works and therefore have no context in which to place these tiny snippets of information which you obsessively post.

    Nevermind the trees – you can’t even see the forest for the bark.

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  145. I thought Obama raised a quite unprecedented amount of money first time round from his sophisticated new tech campaigning. If this was as significant as I supposed at the time, are you saying that he needed the big private donors and Super Pacs for his re-election? I remember putting an online bet that Obama would win four months at least before he did. It all seemed so obvious thought Romney did get a bit of a lift in the betting odds shortly afterwards.

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  146. As to the economic thing, it doesn’t require an economics professor to figure out that conniving Jewish bankers instigated every war this country has fought for the past 100 years or more.

    You’re right. It’s so obvious that only the craziest fringe of the fringe of the fringe on the internet believe it….

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    “You only hate Zionism but not Jews.”

    I don’t know about Giraldi, but I have more problems with Jews than with Zionism.

    If Zionism means Jews need their own nation-state, I have no problem with it at all.
    It became a problem because Jewish nationalism was built on Western imperialism in the Middle East. As British power waned in Palestine, US and USSR helped Jews take over that territory.
    Nationalism founded on imperialism is shaky. If we look at the story of the Third World after WWII, nationalism was usually anti-imperialist, i.e. non-white folks driving out white folks to reclaim their own nationalisms. But Israel was the ‘odd man out’ in the non-western world. It was a new nation built on Western imperialism that aided Jews in the New Crusade to turn the Holy Land into a permanent Western outpost. Algerian and Vietnamese nationalisms were about driving westerners out. Israeli nationalism was about westerners driving natives out.

    Even so, if Zionism was only about Jews minding their business in Israel, it wouldn’t have been so bad. After all, Israel wasn’t the only brutal non-Western nation. So, Zionism per se isn’t the problem for people like myself. The bigger problem is Jewish globalist supremacism.
    The problem is that Zionism isn’t a local affair in Israel but linked with problematic Jewish supremacist powers all over the globe in US, EU, Russia, all US allies and puppets.

    Most nationalisms, especially of non-western nations, have nothing to do with EU or US. What happens in Turkey is a Turkish affair. What happens in Nepal is a Nepalese affair. But because Jewish power is so dominant all over the world, what happens in Israel is a big deal in the US and EU that are run by cuckservatives and cuckerals of Jewish power.
    THAT is the problem.

    So, I say that my problem isn’t really with Zionism but with Jewish global power that is linked with Zionism. It’s like this. What happens in Vietnam doesn’t concern me. Vietnamism is limited to Vietnam. But if Vietnamese had globalist power like the Jews do, then Vietnamism would be part of the global Vietnamese supremacist package. That would be a problem for all of us as globalist supremacist Vietnames diaspora would be manipulating us to serve Vietnamese interests, of which Vietnam is a part.

    Though decent people feel sorry for Palestinians, we wouldn’t care much about Israeli affairs or Zionism if not for the fact that globalist Jews have so much power and use their power to pressure US and EU and their vassal states to suck up to Zionism in the bargain.

    Now, why is Jewish power a problem. Well, look at the dirty tricks of financial wizards like George Soros. Look at how Wall Street toys with the world. Look at how Neocons and other Jews use American power to destroy entire nations in the Middle East and North Africa deemed hostile to Israel. Look at the mess created in Ukraine thanks to Jewish meddling. Look at Jews igniting a New Cold War with Russia over… ‘gay agenda’. Look how Jews have destroyed borders in the West and spread homo filth all over. What the hell!!

    Look at how Jews in the US use the government and media to vilify Russians, Iranians, Muslims, Palestinians, Chinese, Argentinians, white Christians, white conservatives, and etc.

    Jews learned the wrong lesson from WWII and Nazism. What that period teaches us is that ANY people can be like the Nazis. Not only Germans. Sure, Jews got it really horribly during WWII, and Jewish victims of WWII deserve sympathy. But if Nazism taught us anything, it is that it is wrong to permanently vilify a people as evil for all time and to permanently sanctify a people as noble for all time. That was the great crime of Nazism. According to Hitler, Aryans were so wonderful and sacred that they could do no wrong. Even when they did wrong, they were doing right cuz they were so wonderful. In contrast, Jews were so wicked that they were wrong even when doing right. It was a kind of supremacist nihilism.

    The fact is no people are all good and no people are all bad. Germans could be good and bad, Jews can be good and bad. To say ‘Aryans’ are all good and Jews are all bad is wrong.
    But what is the lesson that Jews took from WWII? It is that Jews are all good for all time and Germans are all bad for all time. And if anyone criticizes Jews, they are the ‘new Nazis’. So, Jews replaced evil ‘Aryan’ supremacism with evil Jewish supremacism.
    The whole cult of ‘antisemitism’ would have us believe that if Jews do bad and if gentiles notice it, the problem is with the latter and not with Jews. Since Jews are so perfect and wonderful, they must be appeased and placated at all times by destroying any people whom Jews don’t like.

    But if we really apply the true lesson of WWII — that supremacism is wrong — , then it means Jews should be careful as well because Jews can also act like Nazis and carry out something like the Holocaust. If Jews say that is impossible, then Jews have learned the wrong lesson. If Jews believe that they can never be like the Nazis, it means Jews are inherently better than other races. That is supremacism. In fact, any people can become crazily murderous like the Nazis.
    Indeed, one can paradoxically become blind to such evil on one’s own side precisely due to moral righteousness. Morality is good and necessary but it can blind one to one’s own evil. When one feels so righteous(with vengeful passion), one can feel justified in doing the worst things. Look at the US when it dropped nukes on Japan. Look at communist mass killing based on ‘social justice’. Look at the blind rage behind Black Jives Matter.
    Jews have sacralized themselves to such degree following WWII that they’ve become blind to their own supremacist evil. There are now people in Israel who openly talk like Hitler and call gentiles ‘cattle’ and say Arabs are savages who should be raped. There are people who call for genocide of Palestinians. In the US, many Jews turn a blind eye to the plight of Palestinians. And Sheldon Adelson is still a respected guru of the GOP despite his call for nuking of Iran!!!! Since Jews have so much power and can destroy lives and because even Western gentiles have been sold on the permanent spiritual and moral superiority of the Jews, they are blind to all the evils that they do. So, even though Palestinians in Gaza are now trapped in a state like that of Warsaw Ghetto Jews, Americans only see ‘Palestinians Nazis trying to wipe out poor helpless innocent Israeli Jews.’ It is surreal. If a Jewish thug beat up and robbed an old Palestinian lady and if the lady called the thug ‘you a**hole Jew’, the US would see the woman as the new Nazi antisemite assaulting a helpless ‘holocaust survivor’.

    If the world wasn’t watching, I believe someone like Bibi and his followers could easily carry out a Holocaust against palestinians and even go for lebensraum attack on Arab nations, especially Syria that is now on the ropes and being depopulated by civil war ignited by foreign intervention that came to an extent from US and Israel, as well as from US-Israeli allies Saudi Arabia and the Arab Emirate states.

    The great irony is that the very Jews who scream endlessly about the Nazis are now sounding more and more like the Nazis. Though Jews bitch about how ‘It’s Munich all over again’ and ‘Hitler should not have been appeased’, the fact is the world is being forced to appease Jews over and over and over and over because Jews control US and EU, the two most powerful blocs in the world. And of course, Japan and many Asian nations are just vassal states. And even China has to shut up about Jewish power since it has to do business with Israel. And even though Jews are the main enemies of Russia, even Putin and company must kowtow to Jews because Jews are that powerful.

    The problem is the world is engulfed by unnecessary wars instigated by Jews and allowed to fester because we are forced to appease Jews at every turn.
    My beef with Pat Buchanan’s book UNNECESSARY WAR is he apologizes for Hitler and Germany at every move. Even though Hitler was driving the events, Buchanan would have us believe that Hitler was, for the most part, merely reacting to events forced on Germany. Buchanan admits Hitler was a bad guy but says Hitler had no choice because Germany was surrounded and squeezed by all sides. Now, what Hitler did up to Sudetenland annexation was justified. But he turned wrong with the takeover of Czech republic. And then he moved on Poland.
    And in 1941, even after his victory over France and consolidation of power over Europe, he attacked USSR, an ally. But Buchanan always makes excuses for Germany and says Hitler was being forced into these tough decisions. But it’s a lot of hooey baba-booey. Buchanan has a point about UK and France having been foolish to declare war on Germany, thereby becoming the target of Hitler’s ire. But there is no way to excuse Hitler’s attack on the USSR. Hitler was in the driver’s seat and he made the reckless gamble that would really start WWII in earnest and come to devour millions of lives.

    Today, it’s like the Jewish-dominated media does for Jewish power what Buchanan did for Hitler’s Germany in his book. Even though Jews are the drivers of recent events, we are told that the US and EU–nations controlled by Jews–are ‘forced’ into responding to events caused by ‘new hitlers’. Jews see ‘new hitlers’ everywhere like ‘Bryce Williams’ saw watermelons everywhere.
    So, even though Jews took land from Palestinians, Zionism is explained as Jews defending themselves from Palestinian terrorism. Even though Jews attacked first in Six Day War, we are told that Jews were defending themselves from all those Muslims. Even though Jews were the ones who pushed US into the Gulf War, we are told that Hussein was a great threat to the world. Even though Jews pushed US and the coalition of the swilling into the Iraq Invasion, we were told they were responding to Hussein’s grand ambition to be new hitler/stalin with nukes. Though Gaddafi made peace with the West, Jews engineered his downfall on the basis that he was the new hitler killing innocent democratic protesters — of course, US was silent about Israeli mass slaughter in Gaza.

    Now, why did Putin move into Georgia? Because Jews urged Georgian president to provoke Russia. And why did Putin take back Crimea and protect Russians in eastern Ukraine? Because Jews provoked a regime change in Ukraine. But Jews who control the world media would have believe that Putin is the new hitler-stalin trying to reconstruct the old Soviet Union and take Western Europe in the bargain.

    Like Hitler was the driver of events, Jews are now the driver of events forcing OTHERS to respond, BUT Jews always shape the Narrative to make it sound as if all those evil Arabs, Muslims, Iranians, Russians, and etc are the drivers of events and that these wonderful Jews are simply advising US and EU to ‘respond’ for ‘humanitarian’ purposes. Jews trigger unnecessary wars all over for the sake of globalist Jewish supremacism but act like innocent lambs merely responding to events caused by ‘new hitlers’. Jews should look in the mirror and realize that the new hitlers are none other than themselves.

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  148. Yes, Clyde, we get it. We’re all “anti-semites.” Okay.

    Yawn.

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  149. If this was as significant as I supposed…

    Rather than supposing, why not provide us the breakdown of contributions between small money and big money donors?

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  150. Why expect me to know or care enough to research it. It is barely even a peripheral interest obf mine but I invited and invite someone who wants the truth about Obama’s funding sources to be known and cared about to spell out what research would show. I merely gave what for me was one slight reason for remaining uncertain about Obama’s funding so that someone who actually knew the answers might say e.g. “no that was a popular myth even in 2008 which it suited all sides to foster since Bush was still in the pocket of the oil industry but by 2012 Obama had to turn to Wall Street to defend himself against the Super Pacs”….. or some such with different point or conclusion.

  151. I thought I’d saved you the trouble:

    Obama’s victory in the general election was aided by his tremendous fund-raising success. Since the start of 2007, his campaign relied on bigger donors and smaller donors nearly equally, pulling in successive donations mostly over the Internet. After becoming his party’s nominee, Obama declined public financing and the spending limits that came with it, making him the first major-party candidate since the system was created to reject taxpayers’ money for the general election.

    This means that a few big money donors contributed roughly the same amount of money as the many small money donors. So, who is the President going to be beholden to: Joe 6 Pack who donated $10 or big lobbies that contributed hundreds of thousands of dollars?

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  152. If Zionism means Jews need their own nation-state, I have no problem with it at all.
    It became a problem because Jewish nationalism was built on Western imperialism in the Middle East.

    Your assertion that the Zionist project was flawed because it was”built on Western Imperialism” suggests there was a better way of implementing it. Not sure I agree that’s the case if the overriding objective was to build a Jewish ethnocracy in the middle of the Muslim world.

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  153. Netanyhuuuuus’ s aides in 2010 floated to the Obama administration the idea of trading Pollard ‘s freedom for an extension of a 10-month freeze on settlement construction-

    jodi Rudoren .News Analysis Sunday July 26,2015
    NYTimes

    Zionist was proposing that they would not commit the particular crime for few months in exchange for the release of a convicted criminal by US.

    Netanyahu was suggesting the price tag attacks on US after it’s huge success in same settlement blocks .novel way to get bribed openly .

  154. But what do you think, Sam, of the new G-S introduced by Elizabeth Warren?

    Warren’s version of the G-S, I am afraid I have not seen (can you provide a link please?). I am a bit cautious about Warren, but she does appear to have quite the zeal! I might suggest reading Anat Admati at Stanford, to get a clear picture of the capital requirements for the banking system (although she also is a bit excessive in her enthusiasm to change banks to complete utilities)

    And (relative to S2C @137 above) what did you think of her “Bank on Students” that would have had the Fed make low interest (.75%) student loans?

    Certainly very supportive of the idea. The Fed can do this under their mandate of maximal employment creation. And it can be zero interest as well (no need for the 0.75%), with one proviso: that such funds be made available for real education: classical literature, history and policy, STEM, economics and technical studies. Not for Women’s and African studies, or similar malarkey.

    There are also proposals (by 3rd party types) to Nationalize the Fed and make low or no interest loans (such as century bonds) to states for infrastructure improvement projects, plus modernization such as high-speed rail.

    Nationalising the Fed would on balance be a flawed idea. The obvious reason is that it would then be used as a political instrument to goose up the economy just prior to elections by the ruling party.

    Funding infrastructure projects: best idea for our current economic woes, and that does not require nationalisation. In my estimation we should spend $5 tr spread over the next 7-10 yrs, funded by the issuance of 10-year federal revenue bonds. I am fairly sure that such financing (given where the current 10-yr is), could be fixed at 2.25%, and would sell like hot cakes internationally. It will transform this country, much like what the New Deal brought about. (look at WizofOz’s comment up the thread, which endorses precisely this Keynesian proposal)

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    If Western nations cared so much about Jews, they would have a piece of Canada, US, or Australia to the Jews for their homeland.

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  156. Other than a few points(e.g., Jews being the solitary group pushing wars all over, Wall Street’s overwhelming power, etc.) and minor nitpicks that have to do with Jewish exclusive supremacist attitudes (true enough in Israel; but in the USA?), I cannot disagree at all with this post. Its very well balanced and threshes out the issues in a coherent, insightful and readable conversational style.

    As I mused previously, on the balance I would have preferred a Jewish homeland in the Anglosphere (Who needs all this trouble in the ME? Northern Australia, Kimberley would have been ideal), with Jerusalem declared an international city.

  157. If Western nations cared so much about Jews, they would have a piece of Canada, US, or Australia to the Jews for their homeland.

    Leonard Stein was Chaim Weizmann’s right-hand man when Weizmann migrated from his home in Belarus to London to lobby for British aid in establishing Palestine as a “homeland for the Jewish people,” which bore fruit in 1917 with the Balfour declaration.
    Stein relates that key to Weizmann’s strategy was playing on the antisemitism of the British leaders that he dealt with, most especially Arthur Balfour, who was particularly vulnerable, in Weizmann’s estimation, because he tried to conceal his antipathy toward Jews.

    Stein explains two other situations that Weizmann strategized:
    1. Russian and Polish Jews were fleeing those countries and seeking to migrate to Britain (among other places). Many British elites viewed this turn of events with disfavor and preferred that Jews migrate to Palestine rather than to Britain.

    2. The British Victorian “white man’s burden” ideology that dominated that era (as it does US foreign policy today, with some modifications) held that the British empire’s establishment of a “mandate” — not a colony — was a favor to the benighted natives, certain to deliver to them the forms of governance, culture, and economic ‘prosperity’ that would surely benefit the natives.
    Palestine was a strategic resource for the British empire, and pacifying it through the mandate system, with Jews planted there as the British managers (there’s a term for this function that refuses to come to mind just now) was a win-win for the British empire (until the zionists rebelled and ejected the British).
    Jews in Poland played this role for the Polish monarchs for hundreds of years, acting as middle-men, not accepted in meaningful ways by the monarchy and resented by the Polish masses over whom Jews in Poland exercised economic and social controls.

    Executive summary: the British gave Jews a “homeland in Palestine” to keep them out of Britain, according to Leonard Stein in “The Balfour Declaration.”

    In 1953 Bradford Westerfield devoted a chapter in “Foreign Policy and Party Politics” to the influence of zionist Jews in US politics. He introduced the chapter by mentioning that one of the reasons US supported Israel statehood was as a means of keeping Jews out of the USA.

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  158. To embarrass some of my more choleric anti-Keynesian friends (who are usually contaminated by the more simple minded Austrians) I like to quote the great Friedrich von Hayek’s letter to Keynes’s widow in which he said Keynes was perhaps the only great man he had ever known.

    Terrific. It happens to be a favourite pastime I am partial to as well! The trouble with “Austrian Economics” is that its barely Austrian in character (given Hitler’s massive investment spending in that country) and certainly not economics. The whole praxeologic stuff would have one believe that the preference is really for a foraging hunter-gatherer society, sprinkled perhaps, with accidental doses of human excellence and innovation.

    And thank you for postponing my reading more of Niall Ferguson. I was about to treat his book on the early 20th century as a follow up to A.N. Wilson’s absolutely outstanding “The Victorians” because I couldn’t believe that Wilson’s “After the Victorians” could be any more than cashing in on the earlier book. But my instinct from a little reading and seeing him on a TV doco told me he was perhaps as you describe him. Anyway, not to be relied on.

    I have yet to read “The Victorians” and just clicked on the Amazon “buy” button.

    Ferguson’s work in history is actually fairly readable and acceptably researched. Its his self-serving foray into economics (which he habitually subjects to torture) , attacking Krugman (the motivation being transparent – to secure a spot on CNBC followed by “consulting” offers) and gamely absorbing the subsequent inevitable thrashing , which sealed my dislike for the man and his motivations. I suppose he wanted to fill Hitchen’s vacated role on this side of the pond- a position for which the man has neither the rapier wit, nor the training.

  159. Thanks. It seems that having half the facts correctly lodged at the back of my mind didn’t add up to being half right. Actually I had forgotten the equally surprising fact that he was able to give up public funding.

  160. “Bibi has probably been playing bad cop in order to allow the Iranian negotiators to sell the deal to the hardliners.

    He is a bit part player in this.”

    Totally unbelievable – sure thing, the leading fascist Zionist Jew, Netanyahu is bit player.

    That just shows you how corrupt the Jew culture is – that is a total in your face misrepresentation of the facts.

    The Jew culture works to enslave you and intimidate you with an avalanche of lies.

    There is not a lower more dishonest culture on the planet.

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  161. I only quibble about your reason for rejecting the nationalisation of the Fed. The de facto independence granted in the 90s to both the Bank of England and the Reserve Bank of Australia has been honoured and the latter even raised interest rates embarrasingly for the long serving Howard government which would have appointed allits board members as the 2007 election campaign began.

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  162. Interesting. Thanks.

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  163. The crux of the matter, which is intolerable for the Lobby: “Jews learned the wrong lesson from WWII and Nazism. What that period teaches us is that ANY people can be like the Nazis” [including Jews].

  164. I had added a long note about the attitudes of distinguished figures of the British Empire to Jews attached to a clarification that I was referring to the Balfour Declaration and what you cited or quoted about it as interesting. Again an browser which I should give up on – Opera Mini – seems to have swallowed it.

  165. If Bibi is not a bit player then how come there is no war with Iran and, in fact, a de facto alliance with Iran in Syria and with Iranian proxies in Iraq?

    He’s the hyper articulate leader of a regional power that has a pull on the heart strings of a reasonable number of big players in the US. That is all.

    It can get him a few billion and some headlines….but no war with Iran…the very idea is laughable and, by hinging your conspiracy theory on it, you become laughable.

    Game, set and match. You crazies lose…reality wins.

    Unless you are still convinced that war with Iran is coming…Haha.

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  166. Yes, Clyde, we get it. We’re all “anti-semites.” Okay. Yawn.

    You must be blind not not to see the many anti-Semitic comments here and on other Unz.com blogs. You said “all” not me. My point is that I see anti-Zionist comments that are anti-Jewish too. I also see anti-Jewish comments that make no mention of Zionism. Jew hatred is the motivator, not mere anti-Zionism.

  167. Just acknowledging your long reply. I have to re-read it to digest it.

  168. Bibi doesn’t have to succeed to prove that he is a great player .He doesn’t have to win every battle or even the final battle to show to the Americans that he is in charge .
    Neither Hitler had to .
    Neither Bush Sr.

    Neither AIPAC.

    I am trying to remember those days when someone could write that Iraq war wouldn’t have happened if those 25 neoeons were banished to a desert or someone could get away with plans to place Chalabi and bring democracy in suitcase accompanied by the clarion call-”Bring it on”
    or
    constantly demanding wars against Syria,Saudi Arab,Egyp,Libya,Ian after Iraq were done .
    Back then life was promising better days than the immediate post glory moments , following the toppling of the statue of Saddam, were promising .

    It doesn’t mean those failed promise -keepers aren’t evil, powerful and relevant .

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  169. Bibi doesn’t have to win every battle or even the final battle to show to the Americans that he is in charge .

    Yes, he does. That’s what being in charge is. Especially since all of you think Iran is the battle.

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  170. Hey those neoocons were in charge also .They achieved a lot .They achieved those destructive results that they didn’t talk about and couldn’t or didn’t intentionally all those that they had promised for.
    Hitler did not win the final solution to German problem either .Apparently that’s all he wanted .

  171. I do see your point regarding the Australian and UK CBs getting de facto independent status and wonder if the same might work here, under nationalisation? Possibly, yet witnessing the dysfunction in Congress, it does not tax the mind to believe that our elected leaders would make a similar hash of monetary policy as they have of the fiscal.

  172. Hey Deduction,

    Little Jew, you must get high marks at Hasbara Lemming Junior High (seventh grade) – you are a lie a sentence, you are the half-truth champion – how do you do it? Everyone has to tell the truth sometime.

    Your Big Jew culture must be max proud of your abilities to dissemble and prevaricate.

    Prayers for you’ll — Art

  173. […] Source: Bribing Bibi and his Proxies to Behave – The Unz Review […]

  174. 1992- Bernard Lewis. [Source: Princeton University]
    Princeton University professor Bernard Lewis publishes an article in the influential journal Foreign Affairs called “Rethinking the Middle East.” In it, he advocates a policy he calls “Lebanonization.” He says, “[A] possibility, which could even be precipitated by [Islamic] fundamentalism, is what has late been fashionable to call ‘Lebanonization.’ Most of the states of the Middle East—Egypt is an obvious exception—are of recent and artificial construction and are vulnerable to such a process. If the central power is sufficiently weakened, there is no real civil society to hold the polity together, no real sense of common identity.… Then state then disintegrates—as happened in Lebanon—into a chaos of squabbling, feuding, fighting sects, tribes, regions, and parties.” Lewis, a British Jew, is well known as a longtime supporter of the Israeli right wing. Since the 1950s, he has argued that the West and Islam have been engaged in a titanic “clash of civilizations” and that the US should take a hard line against all Arab countries. Lewis is considered a highly influential figure to the neoconservative movement, and some neoconservatives such as Richard Perle and Harold Rhode consider him a mentor. In 1996, Perle and others influenced by Lewis will write a paper for right wing Israeli leader Benjamin Netanyahu entitled “A Clean Break” that advocates the “Lebanonization” of countries like Iraq and Syria (see July 8, 1996). Lewis will remain influential after 9/11.
    http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=aautumn92rethinking#aautumn92rethinking

    Lewis was ridiculing the idea that he ever had supported Iraq war while he was supporting a new war against Iran. Lewis did support the Iraq war. His conscience was as clear as the moral of Jack Abramoff. His memory should have put him in nursing home . No idea is ridiculous . It depends who is shedding the blood and sweat .
    Quite a few neocons said same in 1990 that no one was suggesting we attacked Iraq , we are just making legislation to make threat of war to change Saddam’s behaviors . Saddam did change his behavior in 1990 but war happened anyway. Same thing Americans were told in 2002

  175. “As a progressive Democrat, I am convinced that on issues as important as the US-Israel alliance and the threat posed by Iran’s nuclear program, there is no room for uncivil discourse or name calling, like ‘Israel Firster or ‘Likudnik’, and policy or political rhetoric that is hostile to Israel, or suggests that Iran has no nuclear weapons program, has no place in the mainstream Democratic party discourse. I also believe that when it occurs, progressive institutions, have a responsibility not to tolerate such speech or arguments.”

    http://www.salon.com/2012/01/19/the_smear_campaign_against_cap_and_media_matters_rolls_on/

    Politico WaPo,AIPAC,Simon Wisenthal Center,Commentary Mgazine,ADL,Am Jewish Committee

    among many other organizations were most outspoken critics of anybody who would dare to suggest that Iran had no ncluear program. But the criticism was not polite,civil,or argumentative even . It combined smear campaign , charecter assassination.and threat to their livelihood . Those skeptics were blogges and writers . They were forced to resign

  176. Your quoting or paraphrasing Westerfield’s statement that one of the reasons for the US Israel’s statehood was that it eould keep Jews out of the USA makes me want to follow it up. Can you help with a quick follow up? Was it said in reference to taking in to America a new wave of unwesternised East European Jews such like those of the late 19th and early 20th century? If so what were the leading objections? “We don’t need another 60 years of assimilation”? Contamination with Communism? The boost it might give to Jewish political influence based on a few centres like NYC? AND did this view extend to the long established and/or assimilated largely Reform American Jews (cp. the problems long establishe German Jews had – per Paul Johnson- with the newly immigrant Ost Juden who looked and sounded different and were often Hasidic)? To the extent that it was a product of inflential WASPs and/or Catholics and/or Jews (!) what was the provenance of these views?

  177. I meant to add in reference to Andrew Wilson’s “The Victorians” that I came across a rather grudging review of it only recently by Gettrude Himmelfarb (married to Irving Kristol was she not) whom I respected, though without much knowledge, as a scholar of the Enlightenment and the Victorian years. I think Wilson was perhaps not quite Victorian enough because I recall reading an essay or review by her years ago in which she condemned our modern refusal to shame people in the Victorian fashion. (I’m not sure it has what I was looking for but what you will get from Googling “himmelfarb shame” might be rewarding anyway).

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  178. @ Sam Shama

    This app doesn’t seem to have noted that my last comment was a reply to you….

  179. I have only known of Bernard Lewis as the profoundly learned polyglot scholar on matters Middle Eastern so would be pleased to read a bit more explanation of what the “Lebanonisation” was that he advocated and who he said would benefit from it. (I presume he shared to some extent the benign view of the Britis Empire as a – comparatively – benign civilising influence that he would have grown up with in London????).

    After all it could meean just Balkanisation or even greater greater creation of new geographically defined polities. I say that because Lebanon itself was carved out of what would have been Syria, presumably in aid of Lebanese Christians….

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  180. again the App seems to have not made it clear that my references to Bernard Lewis and questions were directed to you….

  181. Thank you for the reference and its review by Himmelfarb. A bit of Victorian shaming might be just the thing; then again I reckon we are already the beneficiaries of far cruder adaptations in the form of Twitter and Facebook?

  182. “Sen. Michael Bennet (D – CO) became the 38th vote today, while Sen. Ben Cardin (D – MD) came out against the pact, complaining it “legitimizes” Iran’s civilian nuclear program and might mean Iran would have the capacity to enrich uranium to higher levels 10-15 years from now.”

    http://news.antiwar.com/2015/09/04/iran-deal-vote-down-to-the-wire-as-two-more-senate-dems-choose-sides/

    Cardin doesn’t want to remember in case he forgets again that is what NPT does it allows and facilitates the nuclear programme in civilian sector.

  183. To understand “Lebanonization”,you have to follow the devilish detours this 90 yrs liar has taken in his simplistic scholarly activities in the service of the Zionism and at the altar of the power that has protected the Zionism.
    http://mondoweiss.net/2012/04/bernard-lewis-revises-bernard-lewis-says-he-opposed-invasion-of-iraq

    And BTW what is this “benign civilizing influence”?
    Is that somekind of semantic gymnastics to present thevracial violence and exploitation in a more benign light?

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  184. What does Bernard Lewis do? How does he or his ilk segue into the pro imperialism discourse ? Why does he do it?
    They do same way FOX news does. They do for same reason for which FOX news does .
    They are protected same way the FOC lying activities and monopoly are protected.

    Then, the lowlife ignorant pedophile with a lot of money can sound suddenly like a knowledgable statesman by quoting both , both FOX and Bernard Lewis or someone in his category like Huntington, or simply for the reason that he is being feted by FOX or another outlet with similar worldview.

    “The basic paradigm of West versus the rest (the cold war opposition reformulated) remained untouched, and this is what has persisted, often insidiously and implicitly, in discussion

    Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi have pontificated about Islam’s troubles, and in the latter’s case have used Huntington’s ideas to rant on about the West’s superiority, how “we” have Mozart and Michelangelo and they don’t.”-http://www.thenation.com/article/clash-ignorance/

    FOX. CNN contribution to ME foreign policies are exactly same as that of the contributions of Bernard Lewis or Httington’s towards the understanding of socio political cultural history,problem,challenges,and realities of the Middle East .

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    Nice explanation brother,,well done..There is hope for America with people like you.

  186. “What is ‘this benign civilizing influence’ ?”

    Your misrepresentation of what I have said is typical of those, usually on the left, who just parrot received anti British Empire views with very little depth of knowledge. True, no country goes into the empire business without some people having a strong money motive but that says nothing about the amazing prevalence in Great Britain (and indeed Ireland!) of the view amongst all classes that British rule was capable of and actually bringing great benefits to the ruled. I never took statistically valid samples of opinion in India but it wouldn’t surprise me to learn that, of those who had a considered opinion, there were as many millions of Indians who would tegard the Raj as a net benefit to India as the negative. So it is hardly surprising that thousands of army officers and imperial/colonial bureaucrats were educated in Christian schools to be gentlemen who served those they led and commanded and help rule and were proud of e.g. abolishing suttee, introducing widespread modern (English language) education to the subcontinent, etc. If you share the belief that Maslow’s hierarchy of needs is quite a good tool of psychology you shouldn’t have much trouble in believing that a Christian nation (largely influenced at various levels of the middle and upper classes by Methodism and Anglican evangelicalism from the early to mid 18th century) felt that the richest country in the world hadca mission. That many soldiers and colonial officers were very naive in their dogoodism and belief in what they were doing is pointed out by George Orwell in a 1942 publication when he nonetheless acknowledges their civilised ideals. He was writing about the sniggering left’s failure to understand that the arch imperialist Rudyard Kipling was actually writing something rather noble in his great poem/hymn Recessional in which the misinterpreted words “lesser breeds without the law” appear. He was actually deploring the bluster of the new Germany.
    You might find it interesting to follow uo on the Google search I made to find the Orwell piece using the words “lesser breeds without the law meaning”. As a conventionally educated London schoolboy it seems most likely that Bernard Lewis was not overwhelmed by the rising doubts about how long Britain could or should go on ruling nearly a quarter of the world’s people. After all, even Eric Blair – George Orwell – had not long before started his career as a colonial public servant in Burma.

  187. “What is ‘this benign civilizing influence’ ?”

    Your misrepresentation of what I have said is a typical of those, typically on the left, just parrot received anti British Empire views with very little depth of knowledge. True, no one goes into the empire business without some people having a strong money motive but that says nothing about the amazing prevalence in Great Britain (and indeed Ireland!) amongst all classes that British rule was capable of and actually bringing great benefits to the ruled. I never took statistically valid samples of opinion in India but it wouldn’t surprise me to learn that, of those who had a considered opinion, there were as many millions of Indians who would tegard the Raj as a net benefit to India as the negative. So it is hardly surprising that thousands of army officers and imperial/colonial bureaucrats were educated in Christian schools to be gentlemen who served those they led and commanded and help rule and were proud of e.g. abolishing suttee, introducing widespread modern (English language) education to the subcontinent. If you share the belief that Maslow’s hierarchy of needs is quite a good tool of psychology you shouldn’t have much trouble in believing that a Christian nation (largely influenced at various levels of the middle and upper classes by Methodism and Anglican evangelicalism from the early to mid 18th century) felt that the richest country in the world hadca mission. That many soldiers and colonial officers were very naive in their dogoodism and belief in what they were doing is pointed out by George Orwell in a 1942 publication when he nonetheless acknowledges their civilised ideals. He was writing about the sniggering left’s failure to understand that the arch imperialist Rudyard Kipling was actually writing something rather noble in his great poem/hymn Recessional in which the misinterpreted words “lesser breeds without the law” appear. He was actually deploring the bluster of the new Germany.
    You might find it interesting to follow uo on the Google search I made to find the Orwell piece using the words “lesser breeds without the law meaning”. As a conventionally educated London schoolboy it seems most likely that Bernard Lewis was not overwhelmed by the rising doubts about how long Britain could or should go on ruling nearly a quarter of the world’s people. After all, even Eric Blair – George Orwell – had not long before started his career as a colonial public servant in Burma.

  188. The link to Mondoweiss provides no help in understanding what you or anyone else who has used the expression “Lebanonization” might mean by it. It is totally irrelevant to my question on the face of it.

    I also don’t see it in any way as justifying your word “liar” even if you relied on Richard Perle’s words as true and relevant to a question about Bernard Lewis, as opposed to something self-serving, which I would not. I am surprised that you seem to place so much weught on the Wall Street Journal. Everything I read seems consistent with his seeing merit in standing up firmly to ME Muslims but not principally advocating an invasion of the kind that occurred. Maybe he was naive enough to retain a faint hope, as many of us did, that the Iraq invasion and occupation wouldn’t be conducted with such disastrous incompetence. Obviously he must regret having had an influence on Cheney which helped push the US towards folly and failure and it is entirely understandable that he doesn’t want to spend a lot of his 90s involved in a low rent commission of inquiry conducted by media careerists.

    You may be right but nothing you have said makes your case that he is a liar, or a manipulative Zionist.

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  189. What are you trying to say? Lewis isn’t a liar! He is worse than that. He is a protected liar .
    British civilizing influence? Where in India, Kenya, Malaya,Iraq,Palestine?
    I don’t have to be a leftist or right wing to question your attempts to sanitize the liars or the imperialist . Read.

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  190. UK was looking for an opportunity of establishing a firm control in Middle East in 1900. It saw the possibility could be created if Ottoman were dismembered into multiple states of Arabic speaking provinces . To get there it has to make sure that US and Turkey didn’t reach any non aggression pact and elites of the Middle East would buy its promises of independence . US and Turkey contacts were sabotaged by Frankfurter . British promised Arab but then simply denied under various myriad thousands excuses. Back then British had its own Bernard to add feigned and twisted scholarly material to it’s pious endeavor of bringing civilization ,democracy,self rule and emancipation. But role of Bernard back then and now went beyond . These scholar pontificated ,urged,and elbowed for invasion and ignored or ridiculed alternatives .

    ( Bernard Lewis along with other academic sponsors of war in Middle East –

    http://mycatbirdseat.com/2014/07/the-unfolding-of-yinons-zionist-plan-for-the-middle-east-the-crisis-in-iraq-and-the-centrality-of-the-national-interest-of-israel/,
    other source is the history common .org

    Mondoweiss establishes the fact that Bernard was lying
    –I take this as a good sign: it’s now a blot on your resume to have supported the Iraq war. Cowardly lion Bernard Lewis, 95, in the Chronicle of Higher Education, says that he privately opposed invading Iraq, but didn’t pipe up, even as he was calling for a military takeover of the country and as Cheney was quoting him on television. Here (and below, excerpt) the Wall Street Journal documented his many calls for invasion. When are Ken Pollack and Tom Friedman going to explain that they also were against the war, but didn’t pipe up? CHE’s Evan R. Goldstein interview: – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2012/04/bernard-lewis-revises-bernard-lewis-says-he-opposed-invasion-of-iraq#sthash.5RdpYu1z.dpuf

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    if only someone could have educated British empire advocates on the wonders of paragraphing.

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  192. I don’t think Britain was seriously interested in the dividing up of control of the ME until much later than 1900. To start with the decision to convert the navy from coal hadn’t taken place and Persia was the first established source of cheap oil in bulk. Indeed Britain and France had historically propped up the Ottomans (think the Crimean War) and were hoping till the last minute that Turkey would side with them and not the Germans in WW1. And you still haven’t defined “Lebanonisation” as you originally used it.

    As to Bermard Lewis being cowardly for not popping up on TV and saying “they’ve got it wrong when the Cheney-Rumsfeld bungle started! You don’t seem to be able to understand either politics or human nature or culture outside the tunnel vision of your prejudices about Zionist influence on US policy. When did snyone achieve snything by standing up and shouting against a war which his (or anyone’s) country was just marching off to. There may be a million protestors with placards and a gaggle of left wing academics academics on TV but these are the uninflential nobodies!

    Did Colin Powell protest – ever – that he had been lied to and manipulated and that the war was a disaster? Of course not. People come across as trsitors, or egotists at beat when they attack their country when its soldiers and airmen are at risk of thrir lives. You may be sure that plenty of colleagues at Princeton would know the reality and it is significsnt that you don’t quote one supporting Chaney’s and Perle’s self-serving weaseling. It is his peers, not a TV audience or dissembling politicisns that he would care about if, as a 95 year old person of eminence in his field he cared at all.

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  193. You are impossible to discuss things with when your failure to deal with what I actually say shows that you can’t be trusted to have understood and interpreted uour (alleged) sources properly.

    I have not attempted to sanitise “liars” or even one. I simply point out that your rvidence for the accusation you make and seem to regard as important to the thread is weak. No more.

    And why do you go on repeating the error of raising a question about the British Empire’s “civilising inluence” which has nothing to do with what I was saying? (In case anyone has understandably been too bored with the antecedents comes in at this point I repeat that I was merely saying and showing that a conventionally educated servant of the Empire and his contemporaries would generally believe enough to be proud to serve and, if not in the service to respect what it had been trying to do. And I pointed to what they would point to like the abolition of slavery which adds a big one).