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There is only one story in the news, for followers of the Israel/Palestine conflict, and that is Glenn Greenwald and Ryan Grim’s report at the Intercept yesterday on new legislation in the Congress that would criminalize support for Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS).

The bill is such a crude example of overreach by the Israel lobby that it is sure to backfire on its supporters as Greenwald and Grim’s report ricochets around the Democratic Party:

But now, a group of 43 senators — 29 Republicans and 14 Democrats — wants to implement a law that would make it a felony for Americans to support the international boycott against Israel, which was launched in protest of that country’s decades-old occupation of Palestine. The two primary sponsors of the bill are Democrat Ben Cardin of Maryland and Republican Rob Portman of Ohio. Perhaps the most shocking aspect is the punishment: Anyone guilty of violating the prohibitions will face a minimum civil penalty of $250,000 and a maximum criminal penalty of $1 million and 20 years in prison.

The proposed measure, called the Israel Anti-Boycott Act (S. 720), was introduced by Cardin on March 23. The Jewish Telegraphic Agency reports that the bill “was drafted with the assistance of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee.” Indeed, AIPAC, in its 2017 lobbying agenda, identified passage of this bill as one of its top lobbying priorities for the year:

The bill’s co-sponsors include the senior Democrat in Washington, Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, his New York colleague Kirsten Gillibrand, and several of the Senate’s more liberal members, such as Ron Wyden of Oregon, Richard Blumenthal of Connecticut, and Maria Cantwell of Washington.

There is similar legislation in the House, also sponsored by liberal heroes.

And the ACLU has opposed the act. It writes:

The ACLU wrote to members of the Senate to urge them to oppose and refrain from co-sponsoring the Israel Anti-Boycott Act (H.R. 1697/S. 720). The impacts of the legislation would be antithetical to free speech protections enshrined in the First Amendment and we urged members to oppose the legislation in the absence of significant revisions.

The Intercept points out that it was valiant of the ACLU to oppose the measure– “Even the bravest of organizations often steadfastly avoid any controversies relating to Israel” — and then it did the yeoman journalistic labor of asking liberal Congresspeople whether they accepted the ACLU position. So far, no takers!

The Intercept also documented that a lead supporter, Ben Cardin, had no idea what was in his bill, “particularly insisting that it contains no criminal penalties.” The piece contains an audio of an interview with Cardin.

What I can add to this story: BDS is a nonviolent movement to put pressure on Israel to respect Palestinian human rights; and it arose 12 years ago from Palestinian activists because governments had failed to apply that pressure. No, government pressure was on Israel’s side, as this bill shows. Israel vehemently opposes it BDS because BDS has been effective; it is working in putting pressure on Israel and in transforming the politics of Israel around the world. Witness this bill. Benjamin Netanyahu gives speeches slamming BDS over and over, as an existential threat. Because he knows BDS helped to bring down apartheid South Africa. If anything announces that the South Africa struggle has come to the U.S. over Israel, here it is.

This bill is the work of the Israel lobby. It was drafted by one of its lead groups, AIPAC– “one of the most powerful, and pernicious, lobbying forces in the country,” as the Intercept puts it. Greenwald and Grim raise the issue of the American interest:

In what conceivable sense is it of benefit to Americans to turn them into felons for the crime of engaging in political activism in protest of a foreign nation’s government?

I would answer that question frankly by explaining that the bill is about the Israel lobby’s presence inside the Democratic Party, and therefore of the role of conservative Zionist Jews inside the Democratic Party. The efforts by many to claim that the Israel lobby is also evangelical Christians (lately Paul Pillar at Lobelog) is pure deception when it comes to the Democratic Party. Evangelical Christians don’t tell Schumer and Gillibrand how to vote on stem-cell research or abortion, and they don’t tell them how to vote on Israel either. No, the organized Jewish community does.

Older Jews tend to be huge ideological supporters of Israel. Ben Cardin goes to synagogues and tells other older Jews that Palestinian statehood is “anti-American.” Schumer has called himself the “Schomer” or guardian of Israel and said that there is a Jewish interest in supporting Israel. A year ago Stephanie Schriock of Emily’s List and JJ Goldberg of the Forward described the “gigantic” and “shocking” degree of the Democratic Party’s reliance on Jewish wealth for campaign contributions.

Ultimately this is a story about the fight inside Jewish life over Zionism and support for Israel. I believe we will win this fight, and that this legislation will help us. The legislation will shock many civil-liberties-loving Jews. The Intercept story will force legislators to redraft the legislation.

And, most important: a diverse coalition of human-rights-loving Democrats are enraged by this legislation and are organizing against AIPAC’s role in the party. Call it the Keith Ellison wing, the Sanders wing– young Jews, young Latinos, blacks, women — they want a more progressive policy on Israel and many of them support BDS. Bernie Sanders did not attend the AIPAC conference in 2016, because his base opposed such pandering, and that base is fighting for the party.

Lastly, remember this story and the frank declaration of support for a foreign nation by legislators the next time you hear about the insidious influence of Russia in our politics. As the Intercept notes, “Among the co-sponsors of the bill are several of the politicians who have become political celebrities by positioning themselves as media leaders of the anti-Trump #Resistance, including three California House members who have become heroes to Democrats and staples of the cable news circuit: Ted Lieu, Adam Schiff, and Eric Swalwell.”

Adam Schiff is worthy of special mention, as David Bromwich points out to me. “He is among the scores of obedient Democrats co-sponsoring the bill. Schiff has a high reputation in liberal circles, but he voted for the Iraq war, supported the Saudi intervention in Yemen, said the assassination of Qaddafi was ‘an end to the first chapter of another popular revolution,’ and approved of Trump’s bombing of Syria. On foreign policy he is a believer in the conventional wisdom of the Cold War and the War on Terror, that’s all; but his opinions have taken on an outsize importance since he is now routinely accepted as the party’s outstanding authority on Russia. He knows Russia about as well as he knew Iraq and Libya.”

(Republished from Mondoweiss by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. Randal says:

    Adam Schiff is worthy of special mention, as David Bromwich points out to me. “He is among the scores of obedient Democrats co-sponsoring the bill. Schiff has a high reputation in liberal circles, but he voted for the Iraq war, supported the Saudi intervention in Yemen, said the assassination of Qaddafi was ‘an end to the first chapter of another popular revolution,’ and approved of Trump’s bombing of Syria. On foreign policy he is a believer in the conventional wisdom of the Cold War and the War on Terror, that’s all; but his opinions have taken on an outsize importance since he is now routinely accepted as the party’s outstanding authority on Russia. He knows Russia about as well as he knew Iraq and Libya.”

    The likes of Schiff have “high reputations” because they do the bidding of elites in promoting the interventionist and militarist foreign policies that serve the interests of foreign powers and of minority and other lobby groups.

    So much for the “liberals” as a supposed anti-establishment force.

    • Replies: @Z-man
    , @Joe Wong
  2. El Dato says:

    More treasonous treason by poisonous traitors.

    In broad daylight, too.

    Not enough with instrumenting the State to bump off a rash of countries at the behest of a certain other country (a job still in progress). Now it’s being instrumented to implement some good old mind-aligning stalinism in the homeland. If you have nothing to think, you have nothing to fear, right.

    What a jood plan.

    (Truth be told, I wouldn’t wish on Israel to become the next South Africa, that would be going too far.)

    • Replies: @Robert Dunn
  3. hyperbola says:

    So Gillibrand was bludgeoned into sponsoring anti-American, police-state legislation by the lobby. The rest seem to be the usual suspects – primary loyalty to a foreign country/sect.

    Controversy Over Prominent BDS Activist Linda Sarsour Reaches New York Senator Kirsten Gillibrand

    https://www.algemeiner.com/2017/04/26/controversy-over-prominent-bds-activist-linda-sarsour-reaches-new-york-senator-kirsten-gillibrand/

    Jewish leaders and pro-Israel activists have expressed concern over a contribution to Time Magazine by New York Democratic Senator Kirsten Gillibrand that praised Linda Sarsour – a Palestinian-American political activist and vocal advocate for the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) movement targeting Israel.

    In a short piece accompanying the magazine’s “100 most influential people” list for 2017, Gillibrand paid tribute to “four extraordinary women — Tamika Mallory, Bob Bland, Carmen Perez and Linda Sarsour” for organizing the Women’s March on Washington, DC on January 21…..

    • Replies: @Thirdeye
  4. Ultimately this is a story about the fight inside Jewish life over Zionism and support for Israel. I believe we will win this fight, and that this legislation will help us. The legislation will shock many civil-liberties-loving Jews. The Intercept story will force legislators to redraft the legislation.

    Listen up, Yankee goyem! The Jews are having a bit of tiff, and the future of your country depends on what wing wins. Democracy in action!

    If the Zionists win, you’ll be expending blood and treasure in the ME for ever head whacking the enemies of Israel’s paranoid delusions.

    If the liberals win, you’ll be obliged to flood your country with every imaginable mystery meat so ‘civil rights loving Jews’ can soothe their fear those WASPs will pop them back in the oven.

    • Agree: Druid
    • Replies: @Wally
    , @Colleen Pater
    , @nagra
  5. rec1man says:

    Here is why BDS wont work, will never work

    Israel is rapidly diversifying its trade with India and China, both of which are growing segments of world economy

    Narendra Modi of the BJP supports Israel screwing the Palestinians due to shared enemy of islam.
    When he visited Israel last month, he didnt even visit Palestinian Authority and instead visited Holocaust museum

    41% of Israeli defense exports go to India

    The only people interested in BDS are muslims and leftist liberals ; as Muslim immigrants do more terrorism and no-go areas and mass rapes in Eurabia, there is less and less public support for BDS bcos the public supports anyone who hits back at islam

  6. lavoisier says: • Website

    The most disturbing aspect of this story is the fact that so many of our elected representatives are willing to pass a law that is clearly a violation of all that this nation supposedly treasures–free speech and freedom of conscience.

    I know, I know that the Zionists are behind this mischief. But my God our leaders are traitorous scum!

    What has happened to our nation?

    I hope that all the blue pilled Americans realize the depth of depravity necessary for our so called leaders to craft such legislation and to support it.

    Perhaps they might wake up and realize that America–the land of the free and home of the brave–is long gone. Then they might do something to try and get it back.

  7. @lavoisier

    Something so threatening and contrary to established American freedoms such as this bill, with its outrageous penalties, is a bigger wake-up call than any ardent anti-zionist could fabricate. It is overreach beyond overreach.

    I never even began to question the holocaust narrative until David Irving was prosecuted for his work as a historian, I had never even read any of his work either whereas now I’ve become interested in getting the other side of the story too.

    I’m reminded of when McDonalds in the UK prosecuted two broke protesters and won an unrecoverable judgement against them while accidentally publicising their cause to millions more people than the protesters could ever have imagined reaching.

    • Agree: Wizard of Oz, lavoisier
    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
  8. I recall a comedy film from the 1980s with Robin Williams on a Caribbean island describing the constitution there as being “written in pencil”. That now seems to apply to the USA. How could such an obvious breach of the First Amendment even be considered? It seems that a sort of primary loyalty to a foreign country has metastasized to the point that free speech itself is under threat. Once a law like this is enacted, the final shreds of legitimacy of the yankee state which, after all, claims its legitimacy by following constitutional legal forms, will have vanished.

    I should add that the same people demanding this law, which is at the behest of provable foreign interests, are many of the same ones propagating the phony propaganda anti-Russian conspiracy theory. Real treason and sedition seem to be the order of the day to these people.

  9. As Henry Ford said ‘most jewish enterprises fail in the end through overconfidence’.

  10. @lavoisier

    According to Henry Ford the judaisation of the USA began around 1918.
    Money and media control are the tools.
    When what the Guardian writes does not please Soros, he buys the paper, for example.
    When a Hungarian law does not please him he talks to Tusk and Juncker, then Timmerfrans lectures the Hungarian government.
    After BBC critised Tony Bliar on Saddam’s 45 minutes WMD’s the BBC chairman was replaced by a jew.
    Murdoch with Chaim Saban control some 80% of the world’s commercial media.
    Any day now you can see the hysteria on CNN about Russiagate.
    Netanyahu opposes the S Syria cease fire.
    But maybe the end is in sight, Udo Ulfkotte wrote a bestseller in Germany about how the media are manipulated, a second book on Lügen Presse, lying newspapers, will be published soon.

  11. @NoseytheDuke

    Any time history is protected by laws one must assume that the proof for this particular history is very thin.
    The Armenian genocide now is protected in France and Germany.

    • Replies: @Avery
    , @Wizard of Oz
  12. No free speech for you!

    Seinfeld reference, if you didn’t get it.

    • Replies: @Delinquent Snail
  13. Waiting for the resident cucks and hasbara to show up.

  14. Greg Bacon says: • Website

    Looks like we need to USAF to ‘Shock and Awe’ AIPAC HQ to get rid of those who ‘Hate us for our freedoms!”

    • LOL: Seamus Padraig
  15. AndrewR says:

    This bill makes the Patriot Act look like the Bill of Rights, and it reminds us that the wrong guys won the war, but the idea of Linda Sarsour and her acolytes going to prison strikes me as pretty frickin’ nifty.

    • Replies: @Jake
  16. Jake says:

    There should be no surprise whatsoever about this. Not merely that Israel would so act, nor that the vast majority of ‘Free Speech worshipping’ American Jews would back it. But that the entire American political class grovels.

    Doing what Israel and Jews demand is central to WASP cultural DNA.

    All of you lovers of the notions of people like Brimelow and Derbyshire that a return yo WASP ways would save us. That is silly, at best, on its face because Elite WASPs have no less power now than than they did in 1950 – it is the non-WASP whites who have been stripped of power. To be more precise, whites of every ethnic background are allowed to play around the sphere of power, as long as they promote the world view of WASP Elites.

    That worldview was forged in steel by the Reformation, and finalized when its movers and shakers crystalized basic Puritan traits and Puritan emphases but without actual Puritan rule by church committee and its brutal dictator. Anglo-Saxon Puritanism is the basis for Modern WASP culture.

    So what marked Puritans, in addition to their faith in racial/ethnic superiority over ‘other’ whites and their faith that the extermination of all languages native to the British Isles save English was God’s desire?

    Anglo-Saxon Puritans were Judaizers. It wasn’t just ‘crypto-Catholics’ such as playwright Ben Jonson who lampooned Anglo-Saxon Puritans as ‘Old Testament’ Christians, as European versions of the Pharisees in their love of money and amoral acquisition of power.

    Judaizing heresy leads naturally and inevitably to political, ethnic, and national cultures that are philoSemitic: that place Jews at the center of their thought. Oliver Cromwell was playing footsie with Jews, inviting them back into England, with certain special rights and privileges, at the same time he was waging death-dealing culture warm, war to exterminate cultures, against at least 90% of the natives of the British Isles.

    WASP culture is inherently philoSemitic. While the WASP Elites of London were backing the Penal Laws in Ireland and the clearances of the Highlands, they also were jumping into bed worldwide with Jews, including inviting Jews into England in large numbers for the time.

    From the beginning, WASP culture has been WASP Elites allying with Jews against the vast majority of non-WASP whites, who are targets for permanent cultural destruction.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
    , @schmenz
    , @Alden
  17. geokat62 says:

    And The Lobby is hard at work at the State level, as well, this time in Massachusetts:

    National movement to silence BDS disguises itself in MA legislature as ‘No Hate in Bay State’ act

    A new initiative to stifle Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) in the Massachusetts legislature is a bill to “Prohibit Discrimination in State Contracts”, arguing that targeting Israel is a form of discrimination aimed at people’s religion and national origin. Opponents showed that this is a facade to hide the anti-free-speech intent of the legislation.

    http://mondoweiss.net/2017/07/national-disguise-legislature/

  18. Jake says:
    @AndrewR

    That is not what will happen. By the middle of the 19th century, the WASP Elites of the British Empire were all philoSemitic, but divided into 2 camps. The first, and larger, was pro-Jewish. The second was pro-Arab and pro-Islam.

    Obviously, that pair can never be balanced fully. But the Brit Emp WASP Elites were happy to trample the whites they ruled in order to keep advancing both parts of the Semitic world they adored. The pro-Jewish and pro-Arabic/Islamic camps of WASP Elites usually kept peace between themselves by agreeing to stamp on some poor white trash.

    America’s WASP Elites are no better, no more moral, no more sane, than were Victoria’s WASP Elites.

  19. Z-man says:
    @Randal

    Jews of any stripe in America are still Zionists. Blood is thicker than mud. This ‘legislation’ won’t pass the courts. It seems unconstitutional to me!

    • Replies: @Wally
    , @Druid
  20. @Jake

    I wonder where Cromwell, God’s Executioner, got the money to finance the creation of his new model army? Help me here…

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  21. @Seamus Padraig

    But he’s probably right isn’t he? Don’t you think his argument supports the case *against* the legislation?

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
    , @Randal
  22. Thank you, UR, for posting this.

    It should help lay to rest any lingering fantasies about freedom, democracy, and what really runs this country.

  23. nsa says:
    @lavoisier

    Your Knesset on the Potomac in action…….government of the jooies, by the jooies, for the jooies.

  24. @jilles dykstra

    You do drive your load of cobblers right off the rails sometimes don’t you? I onlý had to get to your mention of Guardian and Soros to find your amazing confidence in totally baseless fiction on display. How could anyone with your pretentions not know that the Guardian is owned by the Scott Trust so it can preserve its independence? That trust is not something Soris can buy.

    • Replies: @Foolisholdman
  25. schmenz says:
    @Jake

    Well said, sir.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  26. One Tribe says:

    A war has been underway against everybody who is not either tolerant or supportive of the establishment of a global first class, anchored to the questionably legitimate nation state now occupying the Palestinian Mandate lands in the middle east.
    This campaign is nothing short of a war, and, as is typical of the war-maker, has been waged in secret to limit fight-back by the besieged targets of the war.
    While the tactics have become increasingly apparent, the tide of propaganda, supporting the objectives of the extremist religious fanatics (and/or those promoting the parasitic religion/cultural prerogatives which drive the core base), has undermined basic reasoning to such an extent, as planned, to minimize the opposition to these anti-social, global aspirations.
    But this action, clearly and definitely contrary to the founding principles/myth of the U.S.A. , clearly in contravention of existing sedition legislation, will awaken a large number of people to this war, and it is quite likely, will result in an open “hot” civil war, in place of the current “cold” /disguised civil war, currently underway.
    But it will be the American people who will bear the brunt of this looming, and now almost certainly inevitable, conflict.
    WAKE UP!
    The war is already going.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  27. I wonder how often Congress critters vote fòr legislation in the confident expectation that the courts will strike it down. Could this be an example?

    Beyond that it is surely obvious that it would so obviously avoidable – or exploitable – that it would have to counterproductive.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
  28. @jilles dykstra

    But maybe the end is in sight, Udo Ulfkotte wrote a bestseller in Germany about how the media are manipulated, a second book on Lügen Presse, lying newspapers, will be published soon.

    Here’s another one for ya. it details the rot at the top and how the goons get their way. It shows how the law of the jungle operates under a well constructed mask., and how the media is complicit.

    https://www.yanisvaroufakis.eu/books/adults-in-the-room/

    I consider it a “must read” for anyone interested in what runs the show. Spoiler.: The system stinks to the point of non-redemption. Many if not most of the operators are clowns and fools, including the ones in positions of supposed power.

    I doubt the end is in sight though, because Upton Sinclair, in the 1920s, wrote about the topic you mention, and none other than Thomas Jefferson was aware of the problem of scumbag newspapers.

    “You know well that [the British] government always kept a kind of standing army of news writers who without any regard to truth, or to what should be like truth, invented & put into the papers whatever might serve the minister. This suffices with the mass of the people who have no means of distinguishing the false from the true paragraphs of a newspaper.”

    T Jefferson, to G. K. van Hogendorp, Paris, Oct. 13, 1785

    http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/let38.asp

    I challenge anyone to prove that the situation is fundamentally better today.

    • Replies: @Druid
  29. AndrewR says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    I wish there was a penalty for proposing and voting for unconstitutional legislation. It needs to be harsher than simply being not reelected, which rarely happens anyway.

    • Replies: @Expletive Deleted
    , @mobi
  30. @schmenz

    Well said, sir.

    Yes it was, and the lead point hit the “nagel” directly on the noggin.:

    There should be no surprise whatsoever about this.

  31. @One Tribe

    A war has been underway against everybody who is not either tolerant or supportive of the establishment of a global first class…

    Brilliant. Absolutely correct. And too many, for too long, have been either or both.

    Where do people get their tolerance or their faith???

  32. Joe Wong says:
    @Randal

    Z-man should know laws have nothing do with constitution; unconstitutional laws litter in the USA laws, the prime examples are Patriot Act and Federal Reserve Act. The courts are not there to uphold the constitution, but to serve the deep state as high priests, Al Gore was stripped his presidency by the supreme court despite his majority popular votes and college votes.

  33. @NoseytheDuke

    City of London before the Jews were invited back

  34. Congress is the lower house of the Knesset and Tel Aviv is actually the capital of Israels colony ie America.

    • Replies: @Druid
    , @Miro23
  35. Wally says: • Website
    @Lemurmaniac

    “If the liberals win, you’ll be obliged to flood your country with every imaginable mystery meat so ‘civil rights loving Jews’ can soothe their fear those WASPs will pop them back in the oven.”

    Really funny considering:

    The ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the ‘holocaust’ scam debunked here:

    http://codoh.com

    No name calling, level playing field debate here:

    http://forum.codoh.com

    “Some stories are true that never happened.”
    - Elie Wiesel

    • Replies: @Joe Wong
    , @anon
  36. @AndrewR

    I wish there was a penalty for proposing and voting for unconstitutional legislation.

    A good old Anglosaxon sanction. Banishment and permanent exile.

    • Replies: @Delinquent Snail
  37. Avery says:
    @jilles dykstra

    {Any time history is protected by laws one must assume that the proof for this particular history is very thin.}

    That is your uneducated, Turkophile biased opinion.

    {The Armenian genocide now is protected in France and Germany.}

    No it isn’t: but the denial of the AG should be a criminal offense.
    We are working at it.
    It will be sooner or later in more European countries.
    Part of the full spectrum defense against UygurTürkoğlu invadoNomad Turks who are continuing their centuries old campaign to wipe out Armenians and Armenia.

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @MarkinLA
    , @Cato
  38. It is evident that we, as US citizens, have become subjects to the Zionist Enterprise, not much better than the Palestinians themselves…

  39. David says:

    I don’t see this story in any mainstream publication. I bet the bill is quietly redrafted to simply disappear dissenters without trial and passes both houses on a voice vote. Trump will fly to Jerusalem for the signing ceremony.

    By the way, the fine commenter, International Jew, must be sore with his rabbi for not enlisting him in this coordinated effort by international Jews to deprive Americans of a little more of their rights. How could they leave him out?

  40. Alden says:
    @Jake

    I’ve always felt that the appeal of Protestantism during early modern times was the sex, sadism, warfare and genocide of the Hebrew bible. The Christian bible is just goody goody until it gets to the sadism of the crucifixion.

    Harvard and Yale were founded to produce dour, doctrinaire Protestant preachers dedicated to hunting down heritics and ruling their communities with an iron fist.

    300 years later things have not changed.

  41. Thirdeye says:
    @hyperbola

    Sarsour is just a different brand of American identity politics SJW. She defames anybody for any reason, but only gets called out for doing it to Zionists. Gillebrand has a penchant for embracing the most toxic elements of the regressive left to disguise her corporate neoliberalism. She called the Columbia rape liar Emma Sulkowicz a hero.

  42. Joe Wong says:
    @Wally

    You should say the “6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers” is questionable or exaggerated but not scientifically impossible frauds; in the Nanking massacre the barbaric and beastly unrepentant war criminal Japanese had massacred nearly 400,000 just using Samurai swords and bayonets within few weeks without gas chambers, Nazi and its minions were the same breed as the barbaric and beastly unrepentant war criminal Japanese, they were out doing each other in atrocity to fill their diabolic egos, killing “6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers” in so many years from 1938-1945 is entirely possible, otherwise the Nazi and its minions would be a laughing stock to the barbaric and beastly unrepentant war criminal Japanese.

    The staff in the forum.codoh.com is the same tricks used by the Japanese to white wash and deny their war crimes and crimes against humanity by questioning the minute details, presenting false evidence, watering down events, outright denial, pointing fingers, accusing victim aggressively, …., the same morally defunct evil propaganda the American is using to wage reckless wars around the world on the moral high ground.

  43. Alden says:
    @Avery

    Good for you. I live half the year in Los Angeles and I go to the commemoration events. Those events infuriate the Jews because Jews are the only people in the world who ever suffered genocide.

    Persians are also very anti Turk because of the endless invasions of Iran over the centuries. I well remember when the Armenians were bombing Turkish airways offices and community centers all over Europe. Lots of smoke but no real damage as far as I can remember.

  44. Jewish groups, which had once denounced ‘paranoid McCarthyism’, now push the totally ludicrous ‘Russia controls everything’ narrative. Talk about projection.

    And now…

    Jewish groups, which had been at the forefront of free speech and economic pressure as instrument of social change, are now trying to bend the law to curtail speech and political activism.

    When I see stuff like this, maybe it is true that voter fraud is widespread.

    If people like this control America, why should we trust anything they say? They are completely without integrity or consistency.

  45. @Lemurmaniac

    we are at that tiresome inflection point yet again in western history where jews again outsmart themselves and we expel them. Pretty soon the dems will start using the cuck meme.

  46. @Joe Wong

    400K with swords and bayonets? Bullshit. BTW I’m old enough to remember when it was said 250K were killed at Nanjing (also an unbelievable number).

    • Replies: @gcochran
    , @Alden
  47. The only thing more shocking than the bill itself is the virtually non-existent response of the American Left. Indeed, it is the inability of the left to respond at all that has opened the door for such an atrocious piece of legislation. It is not enough to complain now and then about Israel, AIPAC and the rest of the Zionist scum. It has to be recognized once and for all that Israel has been perhaps the most divisive factor in the failure of the left to develop into a coherent and effective movement. The key question of our time needs an answer: what are we going to do about Israel?

    • Agree: Druid
  48. iffen says:

    There is no downside for an American politician giving support to this legislation.

    OTOH, failure to support has huge downside potential.

    • Agree: Talha
    • Replies: @Randal
    , @mobi
  49. DaveE says:

    I don’t think this is going to pass congress, but if it does, that may be the wake-up call this country needs. We have had an illegitimate government of traitors for a long, long time. The existence of Israel is all the proof you need.

    So if it DOES somehow become law, it will alert even the most catatonic brain-dead liberal idiot to just what we’re all up against.

    Stronger measures will be needed and no-one will come to the rescue of cowards.

  50. The Zionist lobby seeks again to censor and to criminalize speech in America. This latest attack on Free Speech, says Weiss, sends ‘shockwaves’ through the progressive community.

    But what’s so ‘shocking’ about this ruthless and unscrupulous tactic? For the Jewish Lobby, this is business as usual. Sure, it’s an outrage. But it’s hardly shocking.

    Philip Weiss is a good man. He does important work. But he’s pulling his punches regarding this latest Zionist attack since the overall situation in America involving Israel is even worse than he’s willing to describe.

    Indeed, is the progressive community really so naive that they are ‘shocked’ over a Jewish-lead attempt to criminalize dissent? ‘Shocked’? Ha!

    Jewish attempts at wholesale censorship have just reached a new highpoint, that’s all. But we’re not done yet. Watch the ((media)) ignore this Orwellian law as is salivates over ‘Russia-gate’. The kosher fix is in. This is how the Zions play the game.

    Has Mr. Weiss not noticed who controls most news and most entertainment in America–if not most of the Western world? Is he familiar with the original architects of ‘hate speech’? Take a deep breath, Philip.

    Censorship, banishment and blacklisting are key tactics of Organized Jewry. Sadly, this nefarious formula has worked very well for the Jewish community. Control speech, control the narrative, control politics. It’s what they do. And they do it well.

    So why does this proposed law ‘shock’ you, Mr. Weiss? Censorship is a key and well-worn factor behind the rise of Jewish power in Washington and beyond.

    The other key element in this equation are the unseemly sums of Jewish money directed at (and withheld from) political candidates based solely on their usefulness to Zionist causes. This is the ugly reality of the situation, Mr. Weiss. It’s vast. It’s dark.

    What we have in our midst is a quasi-criminal enterprise that operates globally on behalf of the purported interests of Israel and the Jewish People. Among other things, this enterprise targets Free Speech, grass root democracy, intellectual liberty, and genuine self-determination.

    Indeed, more than a few dissidents around the globe have already been already been jailed and/or ruined for disputing certain core Jewish ‘truths’, especially those concerning events before and during WWII. These are thought crimes. But these Orwellian laws didn’t just spring into being by magic. There are Zionist fingerprints all over them.

    This situation is certainly detestable, but it’s not shocking. Modern speech infractions began with so-called ‘Holocaust Denial’. They have metastasized from there. And it gets worse.

    Entire countries and peoples have been annihilated due to Zionist tricks inside Washington, London, NATO and countless NGOs around the world. This is how Zionists operate.

    Yes, Jewish censorship is a hard and ugly fact of American life. But it’s been with us in various forms for decades.

    Without this vast level of control, intellectual and political life in America would surely be more open and free. We would be a different culture. But Zionist taboos and a huge Zionist filter on public discourse affects virtually all political speech in America (some internet sites excepted).

    Without Zionist censorship, Israel’s unique and special place in Washington (and in the American Mind) would surely be less than it is now, too. Far less.

    But Israel is coddled and Israel is precious and Israel is privileged like no other nation in the world. Israel’s unique place in America has not be achieved by accident. It is a brilliant Zionist accomplishment.

    One trick used by Organized Jewry to attain their special place in the West involves the fallacy of ‘anti-Semitism’, which is to conflate mistrust of Jews with preemptive mass murder of Jews. And in the worst way imaginable.

    You see, killing huge numbers of people with rockets and bombs really isn’t so bad, especially if democracy is achieved. This is how Zio-America conducts its business. Plus, many of these people that we good guys target are terrorists and Nazis!

    But gassing ((people)) to death is a Crime Against Humanity! That’s the really bad/evil way to kill people. Bad!

    This is the message. This is how countless Americans are taught to think about political discourse, bad forms of murder, and needless US ‘interventions’.

    On top of that, the most evil man who ever lived and the most evil people who ever walked the earth are ‘anti-Semites’. Yep.

    This is how the story goes.

    Self-serving myths of this kind come directly from the usual sources. This has produced a very unbalanced and dangerous situation.

    Thus, aversion to Jewish activism is a very reasonable reaction to destructive and dangerous levels of Jewish power and the misuse of that power. ‘Anti-Semitism’ is therefore a rational and legitimate defense mechanism. It is not equal to, nor does it cause, murder. Violence is violence. Mistrust is mistrust. Very different things.

    Yet ethnocentric Zionists have managed to hype ‘anti-Jewishness’ (‘anti-Semitism’) to unparalleled heights. This mega-taboo requires continuous indoctrination and endless repetition. ‘Anti-Semitism’ is just so terrible and so dangerous! Evil! (Roll out footage of children at Auschwitz. Repeat.)

    Meanwhile, the actual destruction of (anti-Zionist) countries is legitimized and treated like it’s ‘normal’. Democracy! Freedom! Women’s rights! (Destruction of Iraq, Syria, Palestine and Libya is not really so bad. Democracy is coming! So get over it. No apologies necessary).

    This is the Orwellian world we now inhabit. It is not a new development. And we know who the chief architects are.

    Thus this latest assault by upon Free Speech by the usual suspects is merely another step down a long path that’s been paved with kosher rules, restrictions, taboos, and prohibitions.

    And wars.

    But the progressive community is ‘shocked’?

    Why not simply be outraged by vast and unchecked Zionist criminality?

    The situation is actually far worse than Weiss ever describes.

    (But is saying this ‘anti-Semitic’?)

    Whatever the case, this latest legislation is simply another undeclared act of war on political freedom and other basic liberties enshrined in the US Constitution.

    Hey but it’s a small price to pay for ‘Israeli security’!

    But I must ask: why is it only ‘progressives’ who can be shocked (disgusted) by Zion’s latest attempt to smother Free Speech in America?

    What about the millions of ‘non-progressives’ who see and understand the cancerous impact that organized Jewry is having on America and much of the world?

    Don’t our opinions matter? Can’t we express outrage?

    Or are we just deplorable ‘anti-Semites’?

    Really. Why are we constantly ignored by ‘progressives’ like Weiss?

    It is obvious to anyone who thinks about and comprehends this issue that Organized Jewry’s latest attempt to muzzle and punish anti-Zionist activism fits a very dark pattern. And it’s non-Jews who are most impacted.

    The timeless strategy by Jews to impose silence on their critics goes a long way towards explaining the head-spinning concentration of ((ownership)) in America of our newspapers, out publishing houses, as well as our TV networks and film studios by you-know-who. This is power. Immense power. And it’s attainment did not happen by accident.

    As for new speech infractions, the ‘crime’ of offending/defaming Jews has caused the ruin of countless gentiles. Does this also shock and worry the progressive community? I suspect not.

    Is Weiss aware that there are already laws on the books in America that criminalize material support for the ‘Arab boycott’ of Israel? Surely he does.

    And I suspect that he’s not shocked by that fact.

    Certainly Weiss and the progressive community are disturbed and conflicted over this latest pro-Jewish attack on America. What thinking individual wouldn’t be?

    Zionism is aggressive, dangerous, and full of contradictions–especially for ‘progressives’.

    As for Israel, does Weiss envision a segregated Jewish state ‘living in peace’ next to a non-threatening, segregated (and de-militarized) state that’s reserved for the native non-Jews (Palestinians). Is that the dream?

    This imposed segregation (‘hafrada’, in Hebrew) is a central Zionist goal. OK. But Weiss surely understands that this endgame does not jibe very well with liberal values circulating here in America. This is where Zionist political magic comes into play. So ‘Never Forget’! (Different rules may therefore apply.) Double standards serve Israel.

    But the fact is that core the Zionists goal of segregation for Jews in Israel (and elsewhere) preceded WWII by centuries. Jewish separation is as old as the Jewish people.

    Ironically, normalacy (peace and even integration) could end up destroying the Jewish people. How? By diluting the Jewish genome via intermarriage. Really. That’s the worry among some leaders in Israel. Peace therefore poses an existential (and ironic) threat to the Jewishness. Integration and intermarriage could cause Israel to lose its ‘Jewish character’. The Jewish people could become hopelessly diluted.

    Indeed, Jews may celebrate integration and the end of racism in America, but this recipe does not exactly suit ‘Jewish continuity’. This explains why marriage between Jews and gentiles in Israel is prohibited.

    And this further explains why ((Hollywood)) celebrates black/white miscegenation in film and on TV, but never will you see Jewish/Arab romance glorified in Hollywood or on Israeli TV. That horrific scenario is worse than a Jew converting to Christianity!

    In their hearts, Jews (even ‘progressive’ Jews) wish to maintain their separate, kosher, just-us-Jews culture and traditions. This in part is what makes them strong and what’s keep the Jewish people intact. They want it for themselves. But they work tirelessly to deny it to whites.

    This double standard further explains why Weiss and his progressive buddies want to keep the ‘battle’ against Israeli extremism where it properly belongs: just among Jews.

    Thus Weiss pivots to the ((ACLU)) in his offering of a pro-freedom opposition to ‘right wing’ Zionist hegemony inside America; as if a Jewish-dominated cabal of lawyers ((ACLU)) represents the ideal opposition to domestic Zionist hegemony. This is Jewish theater. Please drop the curtain now.

    Dear Mr. Weiss: perhaps it’s time to eliminate these all-Jewish debating societies–especially in matters where there might be ethnic favoritism and a conflict of interest (like with Israel).

    It’s time to simply renounce political violence and round up the criminals. But speech–all political speech–must be tolerated. On that we can agree.

    • Agree: Beefcake the Mighty
    • Replies: @DaveE
    , @RobinG
    , @utu
    , @Druid
  51. @Wizard of Oz

    if it doesn’t work, why even bother passing this law :)

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  52. gcochran says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    Such massacres have happened fairly often in history. There’s nothing difficult about them at all.

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  53. Wally says:
    @rec1man

    Won’t work? That’s wishful thinking, lad.

    It’s already working, hence the Zionist panic.

    Please read the article.

    • Replies: @Anon
  54. chris says:

    This is probably an obvious and minor point, but (in my unprofessional opinion) the reason for the extreme penalties of this law, seems to be to deter anyone from challenging the law and having it potentially being reviewed by the Supreme Court, where there is a risk it might be overturned.

    They needn’t be so worried. Obviously, all sort of roadblock are going to be put in its path to prevent it from ever getting there, besides, like on Obama Care, Judge Roberts is probably already mapping out some contortions to have it pass.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  55. Wally says: • Website
    @Z-man

    But it does further expose the evil and lying inherent in Zionism / Jewish supremacism.

    And this is moving down the tracks fast:

    The ‘holocaust’ storyline is one of the most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. That is why those who question it are arrested and persecuted. That is why violent, racist, & privileged Jewish supremacists demand censorship. What sort of truth is it that denies free speech and the freedom to seek the truth? Truth needs no protection from scrutiny.

    The ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the ‘holocaust’ scam debunked here:

    http://codoh.com

    No name calling, level playing field debate here:

    http://forum.codoh.com

    “Some stories are true that never happened.”
    - Elie Wiesel

  56. Randal says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    But he’s probably right isn’t he? Don’t you think his argument supports the case *against* the legislation?

    He’s missing the point. The Israelis and their apologists in the countries of the US sphere don’t primarily fear BDS because of any economic effects it might have, since they can certainly nowadays go elsewhere as he points out. What they most fear is a general recognition in the US sphere that Israel is “not handshakeworthy” and its political consequences for their manipulation of US sphere governments.

    there is less and less public support for BDS

    This seems pretty doubtful to me, although I haven’t been interested enough in the BDS issue to try to track its popularity through the inevitable media obfuscation the pro-Israeli side will throw up about it. Simply, if it is getting ever less popular then why are there suddenly all these legislative efforts in the US and attempts in the US’s European satrapies to have BDS declared “anti-Semitism” (and hence subject to the hate speech laws and other suppression mechanisms being introduced or expanded in scope to suppress dissent on Israel in those countries)?

    Doesn’t seem likely they’d be expending all that effort to deal with something that is in decline to me. Does it to you?

    • Agree: reiner Tor
    • Replies: @alexander
    , @Wizard of Oz
  57. Wally says: • Website
    @Joe Wong

    Nope.
    Impossible as alleged is the fact of the matter. I suggest you learn more about what the storyline actually claims about the impossible gassings.
    see:
    recommended, alleged gas chambers /gassing process debunked:

    http://forum.codoh.com/search.php?keywords=model&t=10798&sf=msgonly

    “One should not ask, how this mass murder was made possible. It was technically possible, because it happened. This has to be the obligatory starting-point for any historical research regarding this topic. We would just like to remind you: There is no debate regarding the existence of the gas chambers, and there can never be one.”

    - endorsed by 34 “reputable historians” and published in the French daily Le Monde on February 21, 1979

    Why have supremacist Jews have been marketing the ’6,000,000′ lie since at least 1869?

    http://balder.org/judea/New-York-Times-Six-Million-Jews-Since-1869.php

    https://6millionfairytale.wordpress.com/more-proof-six-million-is-a-lie/

  58. anarchyst says:

    Wait until the zionists infecting the United States government succeed in getting this “anti-BDS” legislation passed into law. This will embolden them into passing “thought crime” legislation concerning the jewish holocaust ™. In a way, I hope it gets enacted into law, as this attempt to criminalize jewish holocaust ™ “thought crimes” may finally be “the straw that breaks the camel’s back” and breaks the stranglehold that the jews have on the United States government.

  59. chris says:

    Another thing I find worrying about this law is that it may herald some imminent Israeli action against the Palestinians.

    Can it be a preemptive move to soften the expected backlash against some massive action coming up?

    This, arming the Saudis, the unleashing of the refugees in Europe, the Russian hysteria, all setting the stage for a perfect storm of mahem about to be unleashed?

    False flags and provocations coming up.

  60. Mulegino1 says:
    @Joe Wong

    The 6 million legend is not only questionable, it is false in its officially received version. Just one of a plethora of examples exemplifying this:

    We are supposed to believe that over 400,000 Hungarian Jews were transported to Auschwitz-Birkenau, killed in “gas chambers” and cremated within the space of a couple of months. This is an absolute technical and logistical possibility for the following reasons:

    If you divide 400,000 (not an exact figure but an approximation) into a 60 day period, between 6 and 7 thousand Hungarian Jews would have had to have been killed and cremated in the 52 cremation retorts in the camp (there was never a period when all were operation simultaneously) per day. The retorts had (again, a very generous approximation) a one hour per body capacity. (It is impossible to cremate a body in less than an hour due to many factors.) If you multiply 6,500 bodies per 1 hour, you get a total of 6,500 hours and divided by 52, that comes out to 125 hours (I am being over generous here since the crematory ovens had need for periodic maintenance and cooling) . The cremation of 6,500 bodies would have taken an entire week. Then you factor in ventilating and clearing the gas chamber of, say, 1,500 bodies (through an ordinary narrow wooden door up a hand powered lift into the crematory. This itself would have taken days. After a “gassing” the chamber would not be able to be used for days on end. What they call the “gas chambers” at Birkenau were simply underground morgues- it would make eminent sense to have a morgue underneath a crematory, but it would make absolutely no sense to have an underground gas chamber anywhere, since the poison gas was lighter than air.

    There is no physical evidence that homicidal gas chambers existed at any of the German camps. There were indeed “gas chambers” which employed Zyklon-B for purposes of delousing and fumigation. These delousing chambers used state of the art automated technology for the delousing process and were equipped with powerful circulation and extraction fans and hot air blowers to facilitate the evaporation of the Hydrocyanic acid, the effective ingredient in Zyklon-B. To believe that the Germans would have such technology available for delousing yet employ a crude method like knocking holes in the morgue roofs (they never existed) and dropping pesticide down a chicken wire column onto a cold unheated floor (it would not have worked) is simply laughable.

    The perpetrators of the calumnies against the German people (and by extension, all of Christian Europe) neglected to consider the technical and logistical aspects of their fanciful legend.

    Unless this fraud is exposed, Europe and those of Christian European descent will never be truly free or sovereign. The usual suspects will use this myth to blackmail and extort the people ad infinitum.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Anon
  61. @gcochran

    Umm, the issue is not whether atrocities happened (they clearly did), but rather the scale.

  62. Randal says:
    @iffen

    There is no downside for an American politician giving support to this legislation.

    That right there will tell you a lot about the things that are wrong with the US and its modern culture and governance, both in general and in the particular case of Israeli-related matters, if you drill down into the mechanisms and reasons.

  63. republic says:

    BDS is protected speech in Europe

    EU declares right to boycott Israel is protected by free speech

    It seems that BDS is ok in Europe but not in the US

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/eu-right-bds-boycott-israel-palestine-protected-free-speech-federica-mogherini-a7394536.html

  64. Patreon shuts down Lauren Southern

    Patreon is a private company and can do as it pleases…

    But what AIPAC is attempting is far worse as it tries to make state policy the criminalization of opposition to Israeli policies in the West Bank.

  65. Alden says:

    I wonder how long the law will change from
    Shall not get rid of Israeli investments to
    Shall invest in Israeli companies and government bonds.

  66. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Mulegino1

    Hey, is that Codreanu as your avatar on Disqus?

    • Replies: @Mulegino1
  67. Alden says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    Allegedly the Frankish tribe of Germans under GrossKarl slaughtered 5,000 Saxons after the Saxons lost a battle in the 9th century.

    I always wondered how that was arranged. Unless the Franks brought 5,000 shackles with them, how did they control the Saxons? An army would have whetstones to keep sharpening the blades. Who buried the bodies?

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  68. Logan says:

    The link to the actual summary of the bill does not line up with the penalties discussed in the article.

    Not to say that the article is inaccurate, but it should link to a source that backs up what it says.

    The article (and the linked summary) are both unclear on specifically what actions would be prohibited.

  69. Mulegino1 says:
    @Anon

    Founder of the Iron Guard of the National Conscience. We could use a few men with Codreanu’s mettle here in the US to expose the parasites who are dragging down their host culture here in the US.

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
    , @Anon
  70. uslabor says:
    @rec1man

    If BDS won’t work, do you recommend anything, or do we just welcome and accept our Zionist Overlords?

  71. DaveE says:
    @Mark Green

    Brilliantly put, as usual. The zionist project to take over the world is in it’s final do-or-die phase. The only question is how many of us will die, standing up for ourselves.

    The battle lines are drawn. Where it goes from here is going to be a measure of humanity in more than a couple ways.

  72. @Mulegino1

    OT, but do you still post via your disqus account? Seems it’s been awhile.

    • Replies: @Mulegino1
  73. Mulegino1 says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    Not very often. It is almost impossible to get past the moderators on The Hill and Breitbart and I was banned on Raw Story (no surprise there).

  74. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Mulegino1

    Overly fascist and violent and a hater of Jews.

    That’s heroic to you?

    By the way, my Jewish forebears arrived here 150 years ago. I am the host culture.

  75. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Wally

    For the first time ever, I agree with you on this point.

    • Replies: @Wally
  76. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Mulegino1

    Tell us all: why did Töpf estimate the crematory power at Birkenau to be 4,500 bodies per day?

    • Replies: @Mulegino1
  77. MEexpert says:

    Expressing one’s disgust in this forum is fine but people need to write to their respective senators and congressmen and ask them to vote against the legislation.

    • Agree: Randal
  78. @Joe Wong

    Thanks for the laugh Bibi.

  79. alexander says:
    @Randal

    I don’t think anyone here, even Mr. Weiss, understands the true purpose of the legislation.

    This legislation is “pre-emptive”.

    As bad as things might be now, this legislation is not about “now”……it’s about what’s “coming”…

    Israel is getting ready for ” the big push”….

    Mass expulsions, perhaps combined with the detonation of the Dome of the Rock will usher in an era of full-on-war and massive body counts.

    Israel will re-occupy Gaza by force…permanently.

    Every square inch of East Jerusalem will be taken.

    Hebron too.

    Expect a forced exodus , perhaps in excess of four to five million Palestinians OUT of Judea and Samaria.

    Expect mass arrests of over a million people…All held in Israel’s huge “detention centers” ( like sardines), and scheduled for deportation (only)

    There may be a mass genocide of Palestinians in the offing….too…perhaps a million…maybe more..whatever it takes.

    Its coming….and its coming….. soon.

    This legislation is “designed” specifically around this eventuality, in order to de-claw the potential backlash by civil society both in the US and around the globe.

    This legislation makes it a crime to even “televise”, or “video” any of this “mass extermination event” anywhere in the USA (beyond what Israel “says” is happening ). It also makes it a crime to write about it, “anywhere” in the USA (beyond what Israel “says” is happening).

    None may “mention” it…..without looking at a stiff 20 in Federal or State.

    Unless , of course , you are applauding the outcome.

    Then ….. you have the right to “write”….. until the cows come home.

    So the battle lines are being drawn…. Right now….on the floor of Congress … If this legislation is brought down… it will mean that Israel will pay an enormous price for what it plans to do..perhaps with a full on Global Boycott…If , on the other hand, the legislation goes through…then the window of opportunity for the “big push” will be “open”…..and any who “criticize it ” will be arrested.

    .Israel will have a “free hand” to expunge the “little snakes” once and for all….. out of “all” of Greater Israel….and this “free hand moment” will last until the US Supreme Court reviews the law and determines it unconstitutional…

    By then…it may well all be over.

    • Agree: Delinquent Snail
  80. The vomiting of the State of Israel on the people of Palestine was the biggest foreign policy fuck up since FDR’s attempt to get a war with Japan started.

    • Replies: @Anon
  81. Druid says:
    @Z-man

    I agree completely. When push comes to shove the loyalty is to the tribe and against the Goy. A lot of it is sub-surface but definitely there

  82. Ummm, how does this legislation work exactly? If I choose to by the non-israeli hummus, how will the government know I’m committing a felony? Will us citizens have to buy Israeli products? How will that be enforced?

    A bad precedent already exists. The US Supreme Court has asserted the government’s power to make us buy products even when we don’t want them, as in health insurance. Perhaps we will be obliged to buy Israel hummus by law, even if we don’t much like hummus. Soda Stream anyone?

  83. @jilles dykstra

    I suspect Armenian Genocide denial measures in France and Germany should be interpreted as having more subtle and varied causes and motivations in the EU’s complicsted relations with and attitudes to Turkey. Are you suggesting there was not in and from 1915 largescale killing, displacing and starvation of Armenians by Turks? There is plenty of evidence including reports from Germans.

  84. @chris

    An equally realistic speculation is that it was a covert opponent who had the ridiculously draconian penalties included.

    • Replies: @chris
  85. Lot says:
    @Seamus Padraig

    rec1man is proud Indian and you are a Dhimmi.

  86. MarkinLA says:
    @Avery

    No it isn’t: but the denial of the AG should be a criminal offense.

    No it shouldn’t. It is bad enough Jews want Holocaust denial a federal offense. Add in Armenians and everybody will point to some date in their past history and demand a federal law about it. We have enough of our own homegrown real issues to deal with. We don’t need to include the rest of the worlds ethnic hatreds.

    • Replies: @Avery
  87. Druid says:
    @jacques sheete

    The government is nothing but but a bunch of psychos ruled by their desires of power, wealth, sex and often, drugs!

    • Replies: @Delinquent Snail
  88. @Alden

    The Old Testament would have added noughts, with relish. I wonder if the Internet is bringing back the ancients custom of florud rhetoric and gross exaggeration.

  89. Druid says:
    @DESERT FOX

    Absolutely true. I’ve been saying for a while that we are part of the Israeli Empire i.e. It’s crown jewel that it can exploit to the fullest. Someday maybe we will fight for our freedom from these Zionist fascists

  90. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Bill Jones

    Yes, the nerve of how he made them bomb Hawaii.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  91. Mulegino1 says:
    @Anon

    It doesn’t matter what “Topf” estimated or claimed. According to Engineer Prufer when two bodies were put into one of the retorts, the retort could not stand the strain and burst into flames. The retorts were ordinary cremation retorts which had a one body per hour limit, with periodic need for maintenance and cooling and a lifetime capacity of approximately three thousand cremation cycles.

    A body cannot be cremated in less than an hour. Modern crematories with their state of the art gas ovens cannot achieve this and certainly the primitive coke fired ovens could not have. There are thermal barriers and heat parameters necessary. Below the lower limit, the body will simply scorch and above the upper limit it will become charred and rubbery, as is evinced by the horrendous photos of victims of the Dresden firestorm.

    After the recent Japanese earthquake, the entire nation found that its crematory capacity was woefully inadequate to handle the mere thousands of victims of the tsunami.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/mar/15/japan-tsunami-petrol-food-bodies

  92. Mulegino1 says:
    @Anon

    Codreanu made the brilliant observation that, as there is a feeling of kindred spirit between those who work to serve their society and culture, there is also the same type of kinship between those who would destroy them.

    Let’s face facts- the Jews do not face the antipathy of peoples universally because they are successful or bright – if that were the case, the Lebanese, the Armenians and many southern Asian ethnicities would also face the same animus. The Jewish collective is disliked because of the behavior of its most prominent and powerful elements and agents. Nobody that I know complains about kosher delis or Jewish dentists. But Hollywood, the entertainment business, the iron grip over academia and the corruption of the arts, not to mention usurious finance are another matter.
    As such, the misused term “antisemitism” really refers to an immunological response of the authentic folk to a societal virus.

    You may be the “host culture” now – not that it can be called a “culture” more like an anti-culture of rot, scatology and perversion – kind of like Weimar Berlin.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Anon
    , @Z-man
  93. And, most important: a diverse coalition of human-rights-loving Democrats are enraged by this legislation and are organizing against AIPAC’s role in the party.

    I sojourned among former and disgruntled Democrats for years after Bill Clinton kicked Labor to the curb and Dubya began the insane GWAT. I pleaded with them to bolt the party. I finally gave up on them. The Corporate Dems use them and then fuck over them time and time again. It’s Charlie Brown and the football. Most recently the Corporate Dems blatantly stole the nomination for Hillary the Terrible. Yet the Democratic Wing of the Democratic Party remains loyal on election day. Forget about them. They will never leave the Reservation.

  94. Wow!!!! $1 million and twenty years behind bars?? Next we’ll have to bow and pray to them, with an amendment to the constitution…. and make it a capital crime…

  95. RobinG says:
    @Mark Green

    Philip Weiss always pulls his punches. Mondoweiss is a site written for Jews, by Jews. The premise is to decry certain behaviors dubbed unworthy of Judaism, but never to question the legitimacy of Israel. (Gilad Atzmon calls such writers “Anti-Zionist Zionists.”)

    Should I read this article? More useful to read the bill itself, S.720 – Israel Anti-Boycott Act -

    https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/720/text

  96. @Astuteobservor II

    Virtue signalling to a rather specialised audience – with political payoff in donations…

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  97. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Mulegino1

    Codreanu made the brilliant observation that, as there is a feeling of kindred spirit between those who work to serve their society and culture, there is also the same type of kinship between those who would destroy them.

    Codreanu was a pig and died like a pig.

    Let’s face facts- the Jews do not face the antipathy of peoples universally because they are successful or bright – if that were the case, the Lebanese, the Armenians and many southern Asian ethnicities would also face the same animus.

    I don’t know about Lebanese, but Armenians and overseas Chinese have faced rampant discrimination and at times outright genocidal violence, the former in WWI Turkey and the latter in Malaya and Indonesia. That both ethnicities also controlled large proportions of their respective economies is probably no accident, nor is the fact that both groups enjoyed the existence of international ethnic networks of their own people. Who does that remind you of?

    The Jewish collective is disliked because of the behavior of its most prominent and powerful elements and agents. Nobody that I know complains about kosher delis or Jewish dentists. But Hollywood, the entertainment business, the iron grip over academia and the corruption of the arts, not to mention usurious finance are another matter.
    As such, the misused term “antisemitism” really refers to an immunological response of the authentic folk to a societal virus.

    Jews have been in this country since the beginning. How are they any less authentic than any other group, given the nation’s identity as one of immigrants?

    You may be the “host culture” now – not that it can be called a “culture” more like an anti-culture of rot, scatology and perversion – kind of like Weimar Berlin.

    Don’t get your panties in a bunch, honey pie. There’s plenty more America for your kind.

    • Replies: @Mulegino1
  98. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Mulegino1

    Töpf und Söhne manufactured those ovens. I think they’d have reason to know.

    • Replies: @Mulegino1
  99. Mulegino1 says:
    @Anon

    Codreanu was a “pig”? This from the same cast of characters who shouted “Give us Barrabas!”, “We have no king but Caesar!” and “Crucify him!” and who to this very day concur with this hellish demand of their coreligionist forebears? Sorry, but Codreanu was a fighter made of iron- a deeply spiritual man whose love of country and his faith would hardly be comprehensible to the petty, litigious, mercantile and dirty mind of a Talmudist or his progeny.

    You are correct about Jews being in this country from the beginning. We know this from the existence of synagogues in Newport, Rhode Island and Charleston, South Carolina – two centers of the transatlantic slave trade. Now you can hardly deny the vastly disproportionate role of Sephardic Jews in that nasty business. Of course, the role of the Jews in the slave trade did not begin or end with the transatlantic trade. White slavery is quite a kosher practice.

    • Agree: anarchyst
  100. Mulegino1 says:
    @Anon

    They would also have a reason to engage in puffing up their product. Ever heard of Billy Mays?

    • Replies: @Z-man
  101. @Joe Wong

    Nazi and its minions were the same breed as the barbaric and beastly unrepentant war criminal Japanese, they were out doing each other in atrocity to fill their diabolic egos,

    That is propaganda that’ll soon be a century old. It’s a bit past it’s expiration date, doncha think?

    Here’s a primer to help you get your head straight.

    “… this entire myth, so prevalent then and even now about Hitler, and about the Japanese, is a tissue of fallacies from beginning to end. Every plank in this nightmare evidence is either completely untrue or not entirely the truth.
    If people should learn this intellectual fraud about Hitler’s Germany, then they will begin to ask questions, and searching questions…”

    - Murray Rothbard, Review of The Origins of the Second World War, 1966

    http://mises.org/daily/2592

    Regarding the Japanese, your claims are mostly baloney.. For proof, grab yourself a copy of Charles Lindbergh’s memoirs.

    Lindbergh reports that some of our soldiers tortured Japanese prisoners and were as cruel and barbaric at times as the Japanese and comments that he doubts that our record with respect to civilized behavior stood very much higher than that of the Japanese. (pg 875)

    He goes on to relate that American Army officers freely expressed the desire “to exterminate the Jap ruthlessly, even cruelly” and says that it is not the willingness to kill on the part of our soldiers that concerns him but the lack of respect for even the admirable characteristics of the enemy and how we twisted those qualities to make the enemy appear degraded while we called the same characteristics in ourselves admirable and heroic. (ppg 879-80)

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  102. Anon123 says:

    Good for Congress. BDS is out to destroy Israel, which would be a disaster for what remains of Western culture. There are two enemies of the West: the left and Islam. It’s not a coincidence that both are enemies of Israel and the Jewish people. Churchill, Washington and Lincoln all admires the Jews, for good
    reason. They have given the world more than any other people. And we in America need them and their genius to weather the storms that are coming. You haters of the Jews on this website are so uneducated, obsessed and utterly stupid it is laughable to read your comments.

  103. @Wizard of Oz

    so basically, traitors showing loyalty to their masters :)

  104. Z-man says:
    @Mulegino1

    Excellent but I would add one important item to your post…

    Nobody that I know complains about kosher delis or Jewish dentists. But Hollywood, the entertainment business, the iron grip over academia and government (ZOG)*, the corruption of the arts, not to mention usurious finance are another matter.

    *The American congress is populated by an disproportionate amount of Jews or Jew-ish sycophants. Thus the term Zionist Occupied Government or Territory as in Palestine.

    • Replies: @Mulegino1
  105. @Anon

    Yes, the nerve of how he made them bomb Hawaii.

    You probably think that’s a super clever clincher, but he actually did pretty much that. Any serious student of the times knows that FDR goaded them to such a degree that the militarists attacked in a very desperate attempt to buy time.

    Furthermore, among his many crimes, he callously sacrificed US Navy personnel in order to get into the war.

    • Agree: Beefcake the Mighty
  106. @Expletive Deleted

    Execution by hanging of the neck. It would be an excellent deterrent to future traitors.

  107. Z-man says:
    @Mulegino1

    Ever heard of Billy Mays?

    Wow Billy Mays. He was just beginning to get the ‘mother load’ of $$$ when he died at 50! RIP

  108. @NoseytheDuke

    Qhat do you know about the globalresearch site and its backers, practices etc? That seems to be a pretty trustworthy article.

  109. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    Your Jewish forebearers? You are an Indian as admitted in another thread. Why play games?

  110. utu says:
    @Mark Green

    Is Weiss aware that there are already laws on the books in America that criminalize material support for the ‘Arab boycott’ of Israel? Surely he does.

    There is a law on the books since 1970′s forbidding boycotting of Israel by US corporations.

    https://www.bis.doc.gov/index.php/enforcement/oac

    During the mid-1970′s the United States adopted two laws that seek to counteract the participation of U.S. citizens in other nation’s economic boycotts or embargoes. These “antiboycott” laws are the 1977 amendments to the Export Administration Act (EAA) and the Ribicoff Amendment to the 1976 Tax Reform Act (TRA). While these laws share a common purpose, there are distinctions in their administration.

    The Arab League boycott of Israel is the principal foreign economic boycott that U.S. companies must be concerned with today. The antiboycott laws, however, apply to all boycotts imposed by foreign countries that are unsanctioned by the United States.

    Conduct that may be penalized under the TRA and/or prohibited under the EAR includes:

    Agreements to refuse or actual refusal to do business with or in Israel or with blacklisted companies.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @anon
  111. Miro23 says:
    @DESERT FOX

    Congress is the lower house of the Knesset and Tel Aviv is actually the capital of Israel’s colony i.e. America.

    To my mind the best parallel is with Imperial Great Britain with respect to its Imperial colony India (the “Jewel in the Crown”).

    - Both the British colonialists and Jewry in general regarded/regard themselves as racially superior to the natives as proved by the fact that they could dominate and exploit such a numerically superior people.

    - The British colonialists and Jewry were/are required to display a high level of ethnic solidarity with social systems in place to separate them from the natives and reward work in the Imperial Administration.

    - Finance and trade were/are biased to favour the home country Great Britain/Israel, and in times of war Imperial Possessions are required to provide troops and economic support.

    - Natives calling for independence from Great Britain/Israel are harassed and investigated and face social exclusion or prison as subversives with Nationalism being the principal crime.

    In fact the British crushed the attempt of Mahatma Gandhi and the Indian National Congress to force them to “quit India” in 1942 but they were weakened by the mass campaign and exhausted officials + the lack of sufficient troops to defeat a renewed mass campaign eventually led them to leave.

    On this reading, BDS and American Nationalism are due to grow and be violently opposed by US Zionists.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  112. Druid says:
    @Anon

    You guys are never hosts. Always parasites. Three thousand years of your psychopathy proves it!

  113. Druid says:
    @Anon123

    You Ziofascists have used Islam as your foil for long enough. You guys are the truly dangerous to the entire world and people are slowly waking up to it like many societies have done before. Time is approaching, Talmudic Jew Zionist!

  114. Ron Unz says:
    @Miro23

    To my mind the best parallel is with Imperial Great Britain with respect to its Imperial colony India (the “Jewel in the Crown”).

    There are further elements of that strong historical analogy, which I remember pointing out to various people ten or fifteen years ago…

    In the Indian Raj, enormous wealth, social prestige, and local political power was still retained by considerable numbers of native rulers in the princely states, who were therefore staunch supporters of the status quo.

    Their sons as well as sons of the other local compradorelites were usually educated at British-style schools, or even spent a few youthful years being awed by the wonders of London and the rest of the “Mother Country,” absorbing the ideology and dress of their rulers. For example, I think in his youth Gandhi regarded himself as something of a quasi-English gentleman.

    Most amusingly, I’d suspect that the vast majority of ordinary Indians, the peasants living in their
    villages and such, were so totally ignorant of politics and the world around them that they probably never even realized that they were actually ruled by non-Indians from a small, far away island. Presumably, they thought that Gladstone and Victoria, if they even knew their names, were just the Indian imperial rulers from over the next mountain.

  115. chris says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Interesting point, but unfortunately, we have no such sleepers inside the staff of our Israli politicians.

    The certainly wouldn’t leave something like that to chance. These aren’t exactly amateurs, each aspect of this law is perfectly choreographed by the Israely Bullying, Subversion and Enforcement Gang known by the misnomer, AIPAC.

  116. Mulegino1 says:
    @Z-man

    I concur. The US Congress is the ultimate illegal Israeli settlement.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Anon
  117. Miro23 says:
    @Ron Unz

    In the Indian Raj, enormous wealth, social prestige, and local political power was still retained by considerable numbers of native rulers in the princely states, who were therefore staunch supporters of the status quo.

    Their sons as well as sons of the other local comprador elites were usually educated at British-style schools, or even spent a few youthful years being awed by the wonders of London and the rest of the “Mother Country,” absorbing the ideology and dress of their rulers. For example, I think in his youth Gandhi regarded himself as something of a quasi-English gentleman.

    It’s true that the British needed native collaborators, and they gave a special status to people at the top of the old power structure (Indian princes) who became honorary members of the elite, sharing in their schools and the British social world. The problems came from what you might call “Proletarian Nationalism” when it developed into a mass movement.

    Another person who regarded himself as something of a quasi-English gentleman in his youth was Lee Kuan Yew, that great Chinese nationalist.

  118. JA139 says:

    ‘The trust is not something Soros can buy’
    Ahem

    “The Guardian is not owned by a trust at all. In 2008, “the trust was replaced with a limited company” that was accordingly re-named “The Scott Trust Limited.” Though not a trust at all, but simply a profit-making company, it is still referred to frequently as ‘The Scott Trust,’ promulgating the widely-held but mistaken belief in the Guardian’s inherently benign ownership structure. … The problem, of course, is that the Guardian functions under the same sort of corporate structure as any other major media company.”

    The Guardian got in bed with Soros years ago.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  119. @jacques sheete

    Yes. When it comes to sheer terror and barbarism, indiscriminate area bombing of civilian centers, pioneered by the British and perfected by the Americans, has few equals.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  120. Avery says:
    @MarkinLA

    {No it shouldn’t. It is bad enough Jews want Holocaust denial a federal offense. Add in Armenians….}

    My post was specifically concerning Europe and was specifically directed at the individual who is spreading falsehoods about AG. I won’t play nice with people like that.

    As to US: it would be pretty damn impossible for Jews or anybody else to curtail the First amendment. For some reason or other, both conservative and liberal SCOTUS have shown great reverence to the First even while the other amendments have been under relentless attack over decades and have been rendered all but void. (particularly the 2nd, 4th, 5th,..)

    {We have enough of our own homegrown real issues to deal with. We don’t need to include the rest of the worlds ethnic hatreds.}

    Agree 100%. Assuming “we”, e.g. our Federal government (State Dept) , does not stick its nose in every corner of the world and get involved in the rest of the world’s “ethnic hatreds.” When they do – as you know very well they do – and take sides with one party or other, at the expense of the other, _and_ at the expense of the American taxpayer _and_ contrary to the interest of the American people, then ‘ethnics’ like me have no choice but to get involved.

    Case in point: Syria.

    US worked with Turkey and helped Turkey (with a bunch of others) to wreck Syria.
    Syria had done absolutely nothing to America or Americans.
    As a result of the wrecking orchestrated by US State Dept (remember Sect Clinton’s email re Syria?), a large and fairly prosperous Syrian-Armenian Christian community was largely destroyed, alongside with the rest of Syria. Wealth accumulated over several generations was stolen and looted. A lot of the loot ended up in Turkey. If you were in place, what would you do? Not get involved?

    IF there were a strong Syrian lobby in US, quite possibly the pressure on US Congress would have prevented US wrecking of Syria.
    IF there were a strong Serbian lobby in US, quite possibly Bill Clinton would think twice before bombing Serbia. On the other hand, there _was_ a strong Albanian lobby which encourage Clinton to attack Serbs. (I think McCain was one their darlings).

    Unfortunately that’s the situation.
    One has to get involved to mitigate the damage caused by current US foreign policy.

    btw: if you recall, during the “troubles” Irish-Americans were heavily involved in supporting and supplying the IRA. So nothing new.

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  121. @Ron Unz

    Most amusingly, I’d suspect that the vast majority of ordinary Indians, the peasants living in their villages and such, were so totally ignorant of politics and the world around them that they probably never even realized that they were actually ruled by non-Indians from a small, far away island.

    Although it’s more depressing than amusing, much the same could be accurately said about the masses of American proles and peasants of today along with their “leaders” (even and especially the high IQ and well schooled ones), except for the part about an island.

    • Agree: Rurik
    • Replies: @iffen
  122. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Mulegino1

    Really? So they’ll puff up their product to the secret police of the most powerful state in Europe?

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  123. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Mulegino1

    Rhode Island was the first British colony to ban slave, fully 100 years before the Touro Synagogue was founded in Newport. So no, you’re wrong.

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  124. @Beefcake the Mighty

    Yes. When it comes to sheer terror and barbarism, indiscriminate area bombing of civilian centers, pioneered by the British and perfected by the Americans, has few equals.

    Yup.

    Bombardment from the air is legitimate only when directed at a military objective, the
    destruction or injury of which would constitute a distinct military disadvantage to the
    belligerent.

    – The Hague Convention of Jurists, 1923.

  125. @Avery

    I know I’m going to regret this, but you’re saying it’s ok to have censorship and curtailment of free inquiry in Europe but not the US (you don’t actually say you’d object to it here, come to think of it)?

    • Replies: @Avery
  126. @Anon

    Of course they would, the essence of fascism is state capitalism, big business is in bed with the government (that was the model for the New Deal). At any rate the Nazi dictatorship was far milder than its Soviet counterpart, witness the public opposition to the early euthanasia program, this would have been unheard of in the SU.

    • Replies: @Anon
  127. @Anon

    He wasn’t talking about slavery as such, but rather the slave *trade*. Where do you think those ships sailed from?

    • Replies: @Anon
  128. @Anon123

    They have given the world more than any other people.

    It seems that the world would be a lot better off with much of what they’ve given it.

    Myself, I’d rather have syphilis.

    • Agree: Druid
  129. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    Depends on the point of comparison. Certainly, in most cases, the Soviet system was more authoritarian. But in the middle of a war, with resources stretched, a corporation is going to tell bald-faced lies to the SS and expect to get away with it? I don’t think so.

  130. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    Um, Europe. Remember that triangle thingy they taught you about in high school? Three points of departure/arrival: slaves from West Africa sent to the U.S. South; cotton and sugar sent from the south to Europe. Money and ships sent from Europe, chiefly England.

    • Replies: @Mulegino1
  131. @Ron Unz

    You might be right about the ignorance of the average peasant but Nepalese for example would have been very conscious of the career opportunities for Ghurka soldiers who were peasants’ sons and throughout India there would have been not a few comparable traditional careers.

    After independence there was quite a lot of nostalgia for the Raj amongst those who despised their local politicians and resented the corruption which had not been a feature of ex-pat civil servants’ behaviour. I recall a mountain guide, brought up in Assam but from a Christìan Kerala family who pointed that out precisely. Our ex Indian army officer guide also despised local politicians and seemed to like his Anglo clientele.

  132. iffen says:
    @jacques sheete

    except for the part about an island.

    But Israel is a cultural and political island.

    There, fixed it.

    No need for all you Jew-haters to thank me.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  133. @JA139

    I may have oversimplified the situation when correctly refuting Dyxstra’s wild misstatement about Soros buying the Guardian. However I prefer the Wikipedia elaboration to the short tendentious quote you have found somewhere.

    In fact Soros has been severely criticised by or in the Guatdian. That I find out from the obvious search as I rarely read the Guardian.

  134. Avery says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    You again, Dr. Bovine M.D.
    Haven’t you had enough of – what is it that you called me – the “Armenian tool”?

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  135. Mulegino1 says:
    @Anon

    Wrong. The transatlantic slave trade was dominated by Sephardic Jews, not Christian Europeans. You people are all about celebrating collective achievement while eschewing collective guilt, while at the same time impugning the latter to everyone else.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Druid
  136. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Mulegino1

    Well, gee, that’s a compelling argument.

    Sephardic Jews dominated the slave trade in some places and not in others. In Recife, for examples, where the Jews were virtually all Sephardic, they dominated that trade. In the United States, however, they did not. In the United States, the slave trade was dominated by white plantation owners and British shipping companies.

    Don’t forget, by the way, that demand drives a market and not supply. You could potentially prove that every last slave trader was Jewish, and you still wouldn’t exculpate white Christian Europeans, who constituted the vast majority of the people buying slaves.

    So suck on that, K?

  137. Druid says:
    @Mulegino1

    True! As was breaking prohibition illegally and prostitution in the US east. The mafia were pikers comparatively!

    • Replies: @Mulegino1
  138. Mulegino1 says:
    @Druid

    And to think these white slavers and mafiosos like Mo Dalitz, Meyer Lansky and Bugsy Siegel were instrumental in funneling arms to the Jewish terrorists in Palestine. Such are the heroes of the ADL.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @jacques sheete
  139. Cato says:
    @Avery

    the denial of the AG should be a criminal offense

    Sounds like you and the “29 Republicans and 14 Democrats” are peas in a pod.

    • Replies: @Avery
  140. Avery says:
    @Cato

    {… peas in a pod….}

    How original: is that the best you could come up with?
    And there are no ‘ Republicans’ nor ‘Democrats’ in Europe.
    Read the entire chain of posts and understand the context before you render an irrelevant opinion.

    • Replies: @Avery
  141. Avery says:
    @Avery

    {…understand the context….}

    Not satisfied with the Genocide, and having flooded into Europe, the Islamist UygurTürkoğlu savages are openly calling for the murder of Armenians*.

    [‘Death to Armenian dogs:’ Turkish leader in Sweden steps down after call for killings]
    {The deputy head of Sweden’s main Turkish association stepped down in disgrace after calling for death to Armenians. Speaking to a small crowd in Stockholm, Barbaros Leylani urged Turks to awaken, and to kill what he branded “the Armenian dogs.”} (2016)

    {“It is time for uniting the Turkish nation. The Turks will wake up putting an end to the Armenian dogs. Death to the Armenian dogs! Death! Death! I appeal to believers**. There is an expression, which says that love toward your motherland is a sign of faith. The motherland should not be given to others. It is time for the Turkish republics to unite, it is high time! Thank you everyone for your presence. By this, we show all the Scandinavian states and Europe that we do not like blood, but we are ready to shed it,” Barbaros Leylani stated.}

    I am sure if a group of people murdered 70%-80% of your family, then came around and started inciting the street mobs to murder the rest of your family – you would be discussing the merits of ‘peas and pods’ , instead of doing everything in your power to stop them.

    ISIS has been advocating the murder of Christians in Europe and more than one ‘believer’ has acted on it. The savage nomad with the appropriate name “Barbaros”*** squatting in Europe is lucky to get away with just a fine: where is ASALA when we need them.
    __________________
    *

    https://www.rt.com/news/339418-sweden-turkey-armenia-scandal/

    http://www.gagrule.net/anti-armenian-protest-stockholm-azerbaijani-turkish-nationalists-chant-death-armenians/

    ** I.e.Turk IslamoFascist nomad savages.

    ***
    means “Barabarian”.

    • Replies: @Cato
  142. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Mulegino1

    Slavery is, like, really bad when they do it to white people.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  143. Wally says:
    @Anon

    There’s always hope for you. :-)

  144. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Ron Unz

    As a descendant at some remove of ordinary Ceylonese villagers (though Catholic and not exactly peasants as fishing and brick-and-tile manufacturies were the main sources of income in the area), I’d say they were quite aware of the fact that the British were not “quite like them”, as one might say.

    The royal family was quite popular; my grandmother still has a picture of Queen Elizabeth, though she liked the Queen Mother (the other Elizabeth) very much better.

    By the way, thanks for enabling replies from the commenterfilter pages; this is much appreciated.

    • Replies: @MEexpert
  145. Cato says:
    @Avery

    Dude, this is not an Armenian Genocide Forum–hating Turks is not de rigueur. Most people here are smart enough to know that you are trying to conflate the horrors of Anatolia during WWI with the Holocaust (that pernicious malady, Holocaust-envy, is widely known to be most prevalent among Armenians). As you might know, almost all historians who have learned to read Ottoman Turkish, and who have looked into the details of this “genocide,” have concluded that the violence was two-sided: Armenians not only killed equal numbers of Muslims, they actually initiated the cycle of killing. Anyone curious about the truth need only read a book or two by Justin McCarthy.

    • Replies: @Avery
    , @Anon
  146. Avery says:
    @Cato

    {Dude, this is not an Armenian Genocide Forum–hating Turks is not de rigueur.}

    Dude, this is whatever Forum UNZ.com moderators say it is: if they didn’t like what I posted, it wouldn’t be published. So take your de rigueur and shove it.

    The rest of your denialist, revisionist, irrational psychobabble is no closer to ‘truth’ than the so-called books of discredited Turk shill Justin McCarthy.

  147. MEexpert says:
    @Anon

    As a descendant at some remove of ordinary Ceylonese villagers (though Catholic and not exactly peasants as fishing and brick-and-tile manufacturies were the main sources of income in the area), I’d say they were quite aware of the fact that the British were not “quite like them”, as one might say.

    This sentence doesn’t even make any sense. Could you please translate it in simple English for us peasant. Tea export was, and still is, the main source income, although some other industries have bloomed in the post British era.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  148. @iffen

    But Israel is a cultural and political island.

    We all know that. We all know it’s a special one too, ‘specially chosen by G-d himself as a refuge for mendacious,thuggish, opportunistic, anti-Semitic, fascist, materialistic, narcissistic, sadistic, psychopathic, parasitic, militaristic, terroristic, pedophilic, authoritarian, sex and organ trafficking atheists even.

    You can thank me for being so generous and highlighting only their better characteristics.

  149. MEexpert says:

    The first amendment to the US constitution states,

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

    I would think that even if the BDS bill passed through the congress, the Supreme Court will strike it down.

  150. Bill Making It a Federal Crime to Support BDS Sends Shockwaves Through Progressive Community

    I think its telling that there is very little evidence for shock or outrage coming from any other quarter though.

    You’d think the tough guy, fake conservative and faux patriot crowd would be all over this expressing ineffable indignation, but nary peep do I hear.

    Compare the relatively low number of comments on this article with the number at JR’s article regarding the fabulous tales of immigrant sexual assault. That’s telling too!

  151. @Mulegino1

    And to think these white slavers and mafiosos like Mo Dalitz, Meyer Lansky and Bugsy Siegel were instrumental in funneling arms to the Jewish terrorists in Palestine. Such are the heroes of the ADL.

    In case yer not aware of this article, I think you’d find it interesting. Christopher Bollyn also has good info on similar topics.

    Two minute article that offers a glimpse of the US mobsters who supported the criminal state of Israel in the beginning. The Aspen Institute vid is worth viewing too.:

    Was it ‘jihad’ when Henry Crown smuggled plane parts to Israel?,July 29, 2013 27

    http://mondoweiss.net/2013/07/was-it-jihad-when-henry-crown-smuggled-plane-parts-to-israel-and-when-jeffrey-goldberg-moved-there.html

  152. @Anon

    Slavery is, like, really bad when they do it to white people.

    Sorta like concentration camps and mass murder are, like, really really bad when it happens to “Jewish” people?

    • Replies: @Anon
  153. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Cato

    Nonsense.

    Maybe the key book to read on this topic is Taner Akcam’s The Young Turks’ Crime Against Humanity. It’s important because Akcam is Turkish and reads Ottoman Turkish fluently. He went to the archives and not only identified documents previously ignored but then addressed the research of other Turkish authors, as well as McCarthy and Gunther Lewy, and showed how they had distorted the source material.

    Tolle lege: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/9678.html

    Also: http://inevitablehistoricity.blogspot.com/2016/10/contra-lewy-armenian-genocide.html

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  154. @MEexpert

    I have been going to Sri Lanka at least once a year for many years and have no trouble understanding the comment. Sri Lanka is a country very different from India, with a huge ethnic diversity which doesn’t need the same special knowledge to discern and understand as does India’s. And most people live quite close to the sea. Even the inland peasant would probably always be wondering which lot of foreigners wete intruding most recently. Yet the ignorance would also have been marked judging by the typical enough case of one of our Sinhalese drivers who made such ill informed (as well as derogatory) comments about Tamils when we were in the Tea Country where there were villages populated by “plantation Tamils” that it was clear he had no idea of the 1000 year history of half his country’s Tamils, mostly in the NE where there had once been a Hindu kingdom. (Mind you the local Tamils might have made one think of the northern Tamil Tigers when one saw a young man, who had been accused of rape and dragged off a bus, lying beaten to death beside the road. A hundred villages with wooden clubs were marching along the road to find and deal with his mate.).

  155. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @jacques sheete

    No, it’s bad when it happens to everyone, Mr. Straw Man.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  156. mobi says:
    @AndrewR

    I wish there was a penalty for proposing and voting for unconstitutional legislation. It needs to be harsher than simply being not reelected, which rarely happens anyway.

    I did ask a while back if there was no offence under law along the lines of ‘conspiracy to deny constitutional rights’. I compared it to the left’s weasel-tactics of trying to wield double-jeopardy when they couldn’t get their way in court, by resorting to ‘conspiracy to deny civil rights’.

    Steve Sailer posted some time later with the actual statute, in the context of using it to go after those who were organizing to shut down campus speakers – ie, that they were breaking the law by ‘conspiring to deny 1st amendment rights’.

    In the case of lawmakers, I might guess they’d have some kind of immunity, but I don’t know.

  157. mobi says:
    @iffen

    There is no downside for an American politician giving support to this legislation.

    OTOH, failure to support has huge downside potential.

    It’s such a tone-deaf caricature of every anti-semitic argument that, if I were a truly ‘woke’ legislator, I might actually sponsor and vote for it.

    You could hardly imagine a safer or more effective way to call attention to who the real enemy is, while actually appearing to be helping them.

    I hope we see more of this sort of thing.

  158. @Anon

    Weren’t the Kemalists Donmeh (i.e., crypto) Jews?

    • Replies: @Anon
  159. mobi says:

    a group of 43 senators — 29 Republicans and 14 Democrats — wants to implement a law

    and then…

    the bill is about the Israel lobby’s presence inside the Democratic Party, and therefore of the role of conservative Zionist Jews inside the Democratic Party.

    Remarkable.

  160. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    A handful, maybe, but certainly not the majority. Some were also Armenians and some Greeks. In any case, no Kemalist could refuse to adopt Turkish language and customs. Atatürk was born in Salonika, which was Donmeh central, but he was a lapsed Muslim, not a Donmeh.

  161. the anti-bds bill puts a foreign country’s interests ahead of our own. backers of it are traitors.

  162. @Anon123

    And we in America need them and their genius to weather the storms that are coming.

    Yes! We need (((them))) in order to weather the very storms which (((they))) are busy creating.

  163. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @utu

    “en the Israeli government and its supporters (the Senate bill is being promoted by AIPAC) attempt to delegitimize the Palestinian-led boycott — a political and economic pressure tactic well within the normative democratic toolbox — they are actually saying that Palestinians do not have the same political rights as others with regards to individual political expression, but more importantly, the right to national self-determination.

    The latter is particularly sinister when you consider that one of the more common Israeli talking points against the BDS Movement these days is to accuse boycotters of denying the Jewish people the right to national self-determination. Denying that right to the Jewish people alone, the argument goes, means the boycott movement is anti-Semitic. Yet if denying the right to national determination to one specific group means crossing such a thick red line that it wades into anti-Semitic territory, then denying another group a set of legitimate tools for achieving that same aim should be just as unconscionable.” http://lobelog.com/americas-bds-law-attack-on-far-more-than-free-speech/

    • Replies: @KA
    , @Seamus Padraig
  164. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @utu

    It is one thing for the company to boycott It is different thing for the citizen to demand that the 1 Company divest and removes business from Israeli OT 2 He is she has the right to say that she or he is boycotting or his or her company is not buying those products for resale 3 or asking the Pension Fund or Church to divest from Israeli OT products.

    The law doesn’t abrogate or nullify 1st Amendment right , right for freedom of speech or right to raise awareness through these means . The laws are enshrined by international legislation US is a signer to the treaties if not US should to avoid future problems

  165. @Anon

    No, it’s bad when it happens to everyone, Mr. Straw Man.

    No kidding, Mr. I-Don’t-Do-Sarcasm-Well.

  166. @Wizard of Oz

    Letter 26
    Wizard of Oz
    “How could anyone with your pretentions not know that the Guardian is owned by the Scott Trust so it can preserve its independence? That trust is not something Soris can buy.”

    Reading the Guardian recently, you could have fooled me! If the Zionists have not bought the Scott Trust, they have certainly muzzled it as far as news from the ME is concerned.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  167. KA says:
    @anon

    The German and French foreign ministries added their support to Juncker. The German foreign ministry said: “It is not in the Americans’ right to judge or stipulate which way European companies may engage in cooperation with any third parties – particularly, with Russian energy companies.”

    The French foreign ministry said: the sanctions “contradict international law” due to their “extraterritorial reach.” – Paul Craig Roberts at UNZ

    Isn’t it appropriate to say chicken coming home ? French German have no problem until now no pile on Iran with more sanctions for last 20 yrs . Now the cry baby is waking up . The nature of the hegemone has struck them right between the legs alerting the brain .

    But how America can keep on saying that it can sanction everyone else but not the ones it chooses? Sure there is some law .But law is man made and breaking it also is man’s job when it is patently wrong .

    Some one has expressed the idea that Israel can gravitate to China and India . Sure it can. Right now India is thinking Trump and Israel can get him the face saving exit from Bhutan india China crisis . China is engaging in nationalistic hyperbole . Will they abstain in future voting against Israel? Thats all they can do. But what happens day after America orders the gravy train back to shade for some self repair ?

  168. @Foolisholdman

    I had to modify my reference tp the Scott Trust – not in a way relevant to your post – but you might care to modify your comments based on the misinformation you acquitre when wasting your time on the Grauniad. Just try Googling “Is Soros a Zionist” and skip the items relating to Iran or what someone in Hungary has said in Hungary and you will find him denounced as a self hating Jew who identified with the Nazis and wants to chhange the Jewish character of Israel. I leave it to you to assess that strong and strongly expressed view.

  169. I don’t blame AIPAC – the Israeli or Jewish lobby as they’re merely behaving like cunning, vindictive, devious parasites as usual. Who I blame is the US government that allows this ‘special’ relationship between the US and Israel as if the interests of both nations are identical. This prevents AIPAC from registering as a foreign lobbying group which is exactly what it is. I also blame the obsequiese political shills in the US government for whom power is more important than constitutional obligations, which brings us to this democracy ending piece of legislation. I’m glad ACLU and other ‘progressive’ organizations are coming out against this but I don’t think that will be enough to convey the outrage this legislation deserves OR the lessons needed to assure lawmakers in the US do not attempt this treason in the future. For that, terror, real terror needs to be employed such that the price to be paid for selling your nation out is way too high to pay than whatever political favor such treachery yields. I’m talking about wouldn’t it be funny if the authors of this wound up in a park, their bloated corpses hanging from a tree??

  170. @El Dato

    There is no ‘too far’ when dealing with Israel. They belong at the bottom of the sea for what they’ve done!

    • Replies: @Marty T
  171. @anon

    The latter is particularly sinister when you consider that one of the more common Israeli talking points against the BDS Movement these days is to accuse boycotters of denying the Jewish people the right to national self-determination. Denying that right to the Jewish people alone, the argument goes, means the boycott movement is anti-Semitic.

    That’s the very definition of chutzpah – invading somebody else’s country, kicking them out, then calling yourself the victim!

    • Agree: Rurik
    • Replies: @anarchyst
  172. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Wally

    Israel is using legal defenses available. It ahs done its best to reach solution but Palestinian wont budge from illegal demands

    Here is Spengler —

    “Five times a day Muslims pray to acknowledge the absolute sovereignty of Allah, repeating “Come to prayer, come to success.” There is no success to point to.
    Yet the Jews have come back to Israel and Jerusalem, and even the guardians of the holy sites of Mecca and Medina, the Saudi royal family, quietly seek help from the Jews to protect them against Iran. India, the largest developing country by population, has abandoned the Palestinian cause; its prime minister visited Israel without paying so much as a courtesy call to Ramallah.

    With Donald Trump’s electoral victory, Palestinian hopes of luring the international community into a dictated agreement suffered an enormous setback. Meanwhile the Gulf states have come to view Israel as an ally against Iran, while Egyptian security cooperation with Israel is stronger than ever in history. The Palestinians are the odd man out.

    The last wedge that the Palestinians can drive between Washington and its Arab allies is the Temple Mount itself. This is not a matter of Muslim theology, nor a question of sentimental attachment: rather, it is the embodiment of the last hope that the hated Zionist presence will be temporary, and the prayers of a billion and a half Muslims for “success” eventually will be granted. Whether last week’s murder of Israeli policemen with guns hidden on the Temple Mount was a fortuitous pretext for the protests, or a provocation intended to produce a wave of outrage in the Arab world, is unclear.

    . Feeding the Arab’s refusal to admit defeat, though, will only encourage behavior that has come to resemble the Black Knight’s one-sided battle with King Arthur in Monty Python’s Holy Grail film. Peace isn’t made when one side is defeated, but when one side admits that it is defeated. Delaying this admission keeps the war going”

    http://www.atimes.com/arab-humiliation-temple-mount/

    By DAVID P. GOLDMAN, Spengler JULY 27, 2017 12:18 PM (UTC+8)

  173. geokat62 says:

    Another stellar example of how desegregationist zionism is (NOT):

    Transferring’ Palestinian citizens of Israel to a Palestinian state goes from outrage to Netanyahu policy

    The Israeli press reports that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has now adopted an idea that had been beyond the pale: transfer– stripping Israeli Palestinians of citizenship without their OK and making them citizens of another country, all of course on a religious-ethnic basis.

    A Palestinian lawmaker in Israel’s parliament accused Netanyahu of endorsing a “war crime.”

    http://mondoweiss.net/2017/07/transferring-palestinians-palestinian/

  174. Marty T says:
    @Robert Dunn

    Defend their citizens from savages?

  175. Marty T says:

    Almost all anti-Israel activism is thinly disguised Jew-hatred. On an objective basis, Israel’s “human rights violations” are laughable compared to every other country in its region. Talk to a BDS type and the hatred of “Israel” will become hatred of “Jews” very quickly. To the bigots who promote the BDS agenda, Israel can do no right and no other country can do wrong.

    I don’t agree with making BDS support criminal, but let’s be clear – while BDS hates Jews most of all, they’re not huge fans of white people in general. We need to let Israel handle its business like we should have let South Africa handle its business.

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  176. @Marty T

    Great, they can handle their business on their dime, not the West’s.

  177. Shock waves? Really? But then, which ‘progressive’ community? The bottom feeding Proglodytes or the powerful Proglobalists who changed leftism from concern for workers and masses to praising homo neo-aristocrats and 50 genders of trannies?

    It seems most elites in media/academia, most politicians, and most Deep State people don’t care about shutting down BDS.

    Ambitious people want to be where the power, money, and action is, and they better suck up to Jewish Globalists.

    There is a Patriotic Test.
    Question is, “If you were a member of People A, and if you were to become rich and privileged, would you side with non-rich members of People A or with rich members of People B or C who might actually be hostile to People A?

    A true patriot will side with his own kind even if he becomes rich and they remain un-rich. It’s like Moses, even as a privileged ‘Egyptian’, cared about his own people, the Hebrews.

    A collaboriot or toady will side with any power even if it harms his own people if he, as a person of privilege, gets to rub shoulders with others of privilege.

    As Jewish Globalists control the Power, even so-called Progs, at least those with ambition, will remain mum about BDS since their main objective is to be with power and privilege.

  178. anarchyst says:
    @Seamus Padraig

    “the jew cries out in pain as he is attacking you”

  179. nagra says:

    that’s particularly religious conflict in its essence and had always been
    and it would never *(ever) be resolved treated any other way

    despite common perception that Israel drives West to crime, I would differ and say that West in particular drives Israel to perpetual conflict while Israel pays for that obviously
    especially USA/UK

    only Russia can provide solid perseverance of Israel existence in reality and long terms

    and let’s not forget that in 1948 Israel was attacked by five Arab states from any possible directions, not so many Christian Arabs, the Muslim Arabs, let’s make talk real without need of being “politically correct” please if you search thuth
    and they’ve lost

    so, when you lose war you lose some of territory, accordingly
    that’s how war works despite all your blown up eyebrows ( : so far

    elem,
    “Palestine” is Roman term for the area
    so, one of the first Palestinians were Jews, actually

    in conclusion,
    fundamentalism is hiding behind geographical term, same as they did and still do in Bosnia
    calling themselves “Bosnians”
    same as “palestinians” do in Sweden now
    complaining about any single thing and raping anything they can
    same in France
    same in all EU

    get real,
    and start resolving that problem on religious basis instead of blaming just one side by some popular perpetual “solidarity” inertion

    ( btw, none can be more against Bushes, Clintons, Obamas or any other USA nonsense and their media but me : )

  180. nagra says:
    @Lemurmaniac

    ( just to spread some conversation as my post is 180′s something, so what you said again? : )

    that’s particularly religious conflict in its essence and had always been
    and it would never *(ever) be resolved treated any other way

    despite common perception that Israel drives West to crime, I would differ and say that West in particular drives Israel to perpetual conflict while Israel pays for that obviously
    especially USA/UK

    only Russia can provide solid perseverance of Israel existence in reality and long terms

    and let’s not forget that in 1948 Israel was attacked by five Arab states from any possible directions, not so many Christian Arabs, the Muslim Arabs, let’s make talk real without need of being “politically correct” please if you search thuth
    and they’ve lost

    so, when you lose war you lose some of territory, accordingly
    that’s how war works despite all your blown up eyebrows ( : so far

    elem,
    “Palestine” is Roman term for the area
    so, one of the first Palestinians were Jews, actually

    in conclusion,
    fundamentalism is hiding behind geographical term, same as they did and still do in Bosnia
    calling themselves “Bosnians”
    same as “palestinians” do in Sweden now
    complaining about any single thing and raping anything they can
    same in France
    same in all EU

    get real,
    and start resolving that problem on religious basis instead of blaming just one side by some popular perpetual “solidarity” inertion

    ( btw, none can be more against Bushes, Clintons, Obamas or any other USA nonsense and their media but me : )

  181. nagra says:

    what’s point of writing long piece without even proper argument

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