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As the second year of Donald Trump’s presidency and sixth of Xi Jinping’s draws to a close, the world seems to be witnessing one of those epochal clashes that can change the contours of global power. Just as conflicts between American President Woodrow Wilson and British Prime Minister Lloyd George produced a failed peace after World War I, competition between Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin and American President Harry Truman sparked the Cold War, and the rivalry between Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev and President John F. Kennedy brought the world to the brink of nuclear war, so the empowered presidents of the United States and China are now pursuing bold, intensely personal visions of new global orders that could potentially reshape the trajectory of the twenty-first century — or bring it all down.

The countries, like their leaders, are a study in contrasts. China is an ascending superpower, riding a wave of rapid economic expansion with a burgeoning industrial and technological infrastructure, a growing share of world trade, and surging self-confidence. The United States is a declining hegemon, with a crumbling infrastructure, a failing educational system, a shrinking slice of the global economy, and a deeply polarized, divided citizenry. After a lifetime as the ultimate political insider, Xi Jinping became China’s president in 2013, bringing with him a bold internationalist vision for the economic integration of Asia, Africa, and Europe through monumental investment in infrastructure that could ultimately expand and extend the current global economy. After a short political apprenticeship as a conspiracy advocate, Donald Trump took office in 2017 as an ardent America First nationalist determined to disrupt or even dismantle an American-built-and-dominated international order he disdained for supposedly constraining his country’s strength.

Although they started this century on generally amicable terms, China and the U.S. have, in recent years, moved toward military competition and open economic conflict. When China was admitted to the World Trade Organization (WTO) in 2001, Washington was confident that Beijing would play by the established rules and become a compliant member of an American-led international community. There was almost no awareness of what might happen when a fifth of humanity joined the world system as an economic equal for the first time in five centuries.

By the time Xi Jinping became China’s seventh president, a decade of rapid economic growth averaging 11% annually and currency reserves surging toward an unprecedented $4 trillion had created the economic potential for a rapid, radical shift in the global balance of power. After just a few months in office, Xi began tapping those vast reserves to launch a bold geopolitical gambit, a genuine challenge to U.S. dominion over Eurasia and the world beyond. Aglow in its status as the world’s sole superpower after “winning” the Cold War, Washington had difficulty at first even grasping such newly developing global realities and was slow to react.

China’s bid couldn’t have been more fortuitous in its timing. After nearly 70 years as the globe’s hegemon, Washington’s dominance over the world economy had begun to wither and its once-superior work force to lose its competitive edge. By 2016, in fact, the dislocations brought on by the economic globalization that had gone with American dominion sparked a revolt of the dispossessed in democracies worldwide and in the American heartland, bringing the self-proclaimed “populist” Donald Trump to power. Determined to check his country’s decline, he has adopted an aggressive and divisive foreign policy that has roiled long-established alliances in both Asia and Europe and is undoubtedly giving that decline new impetus.

Within months of Trump’s entry into the Oval Office, the world was already witnessing a sharp rivalry between Xi’s advocacy of a new form of global collaboration and Trump’s version of economic nationalism. In the process, humanity seems to be entering a rare historical moment when national leadership and global circumstances have coincided to create an opening for a major shift in the nature of the world order.

Trump’s Disruptive Foreign Policy

Despite their constant criticism of Donald Trump’s leadership, few among Washington’s corps of foreign policy experts have grasped his full impact on the historic foundations of American global power. The world order that Washington built after World War II rested upon what I’ve called a “delicate duality”: an American imperium of raw military and economic power married to a community of sovereign nations, equal under the rule of law and governed through international institutions such as the United Nations and the World Trade Organization.

On the realpolitik side of that duality, Washington constructed a four-tier apparatus — military, diplomatic, economic, and clandestine — to advance a global dominion of unprecedented wealth and power. This apparatus rested on hundreds of military bases in Europe and Asia that made the U.S. the first power in history to dominate (if not control) the Eurasian continent.

Even after the Cold War ended, former national security adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski warned that Washington would remain the world’s preeminent power only as long as it maintained its geopolitical dominion over Eurasia. In the decade before Trump’s election, there were, however, already signs that America’s hegemony was on a downward trajectory as its share of global economic power fell from 50% in 1950 to just 15% in 2017. Many financial forecasts now project that China will surpass the U.S. as the world’s number one economy by 2030, if not before.

In this era of decline, there has emerged from President Trump’s torrent of tweets and off-the-cuff remarks a surprisingly coherent and grim vision of America’s place in the present world order. Instead of reigning confidently over international organizations, multilateral alliances, and a globalized economy, Trump evidently sees America standing alone and beleaguered in an increasingly troubled world — exploited by self-aggrandizing allies, battered by unequal trade terms, threatened by tides of undocumented immigrants, and betrayed by self-serving elites too timid or compromised to defend the nation’s interests.

Instead of multilateral trade pacts like NAFTA, the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP), or even the WTO, Trump favors bilateral deals rewritten to the (supposed) advantage of the United States. In place of the usual democratic allies like Canada and Germany, he is trying to weave a web of personal ties to avowedly nationalist and autocratic leaders of a sort he clearly admires: Vladimir Putin in Russia, Viktor Orbán in Hungary, Narendra Modi in India, Adel Fatah el-Sisi in Egypt, and Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman of Saudi Arabia.

Instead of old alliances like NATO, Trump favors loose coalitions of like-minded countries. As he sees it, a resurgent America will carry the world along, while crushing terrorists and dealing in uniquely personal ways with rogue states like Iran and North Korea.

His version of a foreign policy has found its fullest statement in his administration’s December 2017 National Security Strategy. As he took office, the nation, it claimed, faced “an extraordinarily dangerous world, filled with a wide range of threats.” But in less than a year of his leadership, it insisted, “We have renewed our friendships in the Middle East… to help drive out terrorists and extremists… America’s allies are now contributing more to our common defense, strengthening even our strongest alliances.” Humankind will benefit from the president’s “beautiful vision” that “puts America First” and promotes “a balance of power that favors the United States.” The whole world will, in short, be “lifted by America’s renewal.”

Despite such grandiose claims, each of President Trump’s overseas trips has been a mission of destruction in terms of American global power. Each, seemingly by design, disrupted and possibly damaged alliances that have been the foundation for Washington’s global power since the 1950s. During the president’s first foreign trip in May 2017, he promptly voiced withering complaints about the supposed refusal of Washington’s European allies to pay their “fair share” of NATO’s military costs, leaving the U.S. stuck with the bill and, in a fashion unknown to American presidents, refused even to endorse the alliance’s core principle of collective defense. It was a position so extreme in terms of the global politics of the previous half-century that he was later forced to formally back down. (By then, however, he had registered his contempt for those allies in an unforgettable fashion.)

During a second, no-less-divisive NATO visit in July, he charged that Germany was “a captive of Russia” and pressed the allies to immediately double their share of defense spending to a staggering 4% of gross domestic product (a level even Washington, with its monumental Pentagon budget, hasn’t reached) — a demand they all ignored. Just days later, he again questioned the very idea of a common defense, remarking that if “tiny” NATO ally Montenegro decided to “get aggressive,” then “congratulations, you’re in World War III.”

Moving on to England, he promptly kneecapped close ally Theresa May, telling a British tabloid that the prime minister had bungled her country’s Brexit withdrawal from the European Union and “killed off any chance of a vital U.S. trade deal.” He then went on to Helsinki for a summit with Vladimir Putin, where he visibly abased himself before NATO’s nominal nemesis, completely enough that there were even brief, angry protests from leaders of his own party.

During Trump’s major Asia tour in November 2017, he addressed the Asian-Pacific Economic Council (APEC) in Vietnam, offering an extended “tirade” against multilateral trade agreements, particularly the WTO. To counter intolerable “trade abuses,” such as “product dumping, subsidized goods, currency manipulation, and predatory industrial policies,” he swore that he would always “put America first” and not let it “be taken advantage of anymore.” Having denounced a litany of trade violations that he termed nothing less than “economic aggression” against America, he invited everyone there to share his “Indo-Pacific dream” of the world as a “beautiful constellation” of “strong, sovereign, and independent nations,” each working like the United States to build “wealth and freedom.”

Responding to such a display of narrow economic nationalism from the globe’s leading power, Xi Jinping had a perfect opportunity to play the world statesman and he took it, calling upon APEC to support an economic order that is “more open, inclusive, and balanced.” He spoke of China’s future economic plans as an historic bid for “interconnected development to achieve common prosperity… on the Asian, European, and African continents.”

As China has lifted 60 million of its own people out of poverty in just a few years and was committed to its complete eradication by 2020, so he urged a more equitable world order “to bring the benefits of development to countries across the globe.” For its part, China, he assured his listeners, was ready to make “$2 trillion of outbound investment” — much of it for the development of Eurasia and Africa (in ways, of course, that would link that vast region more closely to China). In other words, he sounded like a twenty-first century Chinese version of a twentieth-century American president, while Donald Trump acted more like Argentina’s former presidente Juan Perón, minus the medals. As if to put another nail in the coffin of American global dominion, the remaining 11 Trans-Pacific trade pact partners, led by Japan and Canada, announced major progress in finalizing that agreement — without the United States.

In addition to undermining NATO, America’s Pacific alliances, long its historic fulcrum for the defense of North America and the dominance of Asia, are eroding, too. Even after 10 personal meetings and frequent phone calls between Japan’s Prime Minister Shinzo Abe and Donald Trump during his first 18 months in office, the president’s America First trade policy has placed a “major strain” on Washington’s most crucial alliance in the region. First, he ignored Abe’s pleas and cancelled the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade pact and then, as if his message hadn’t been strong enough, he promptly imposed heavy tariffs on Japanese steel imports. Similarly, he’s denounced the Canadian prime minister as “dishonest” and mimicked Indian Prime Minister Modi’s accent, even as he made chummy with North Korean dictator Kim Jong-un and then claimed, inaccurately, that his country was “no longer a nuclear threat.”

It all adds up to a formula for further decline at a faster pace.

Beijing’s Grand Strategy

While Washington’s influence in Asia recedes, Beijing’s grows ever stronger. As China’s currency reserves climbed rapidly from $200 billion in 2001 to a peak of $4 trillion in 2014, President Xi launched a new initiative of historic import. In September 2013, speaking in Kazakhstan, the heart of Asia’s ancient Silk Road caravan route, he proclaimed a “one belt, one road initiative” aimed at economically integrating the enormous Eurasian land mass around Beijing’s leadership. Through “unimpeded trade” and infrastructure investment, he suggested, it would be possible to connect “the Pacific and the Baltic Sea” in a proposed “economic belt along the Silk Road,” a region “inhabited by close to 3 billion people.” It could become, he predicted, “the biggest market in the world with unparalleled potential.”

Within a year, Beijing had established a Chinese-dominated Asian Infrastructure and Investment Bank with 56 member nations and an impressive $100 billion in capital, while launching its own $40 billion Silk Road Fund for private equity projects. When China convened what it called a “belt and road summit” of 28 world leaders in Beijing in May 2017, Xi could, with good reason, hail his initiative as the “project of the century.”

Although the U.S. media has often described the individual projects involved in his “one belt, one road” project as wasteful, sybaritic, exploitative, or even neo-colonial, its sheer scale and scope merits closer consideration. Beijing is expected to put a mind-boggling $1.3 trillion into the initiative by 2027, the largest investment in human history, more than 10 times the famed American Marshall Plan, the only comparable program, which spent a more modest $110 billion (when adjusted for inflation) to rebuild a ravaged Europe after World War II.

Beijing’s low-cost infrastructure loans for 70 countries from the Baltic to the Pacific are already funding construction of the Mediterranean’s busiest port at Piraeus, Greece, a major nuclear power plant in England, a $6 billion railroad through rugged Laos, and a $46 billion transport corridor across Pakistan. If successful, such infrastructure investments could help knit two dynamic continents, Europe and Asia — home to a full 70% percent of the world’s population and its resources — into a unified market without peer on the planet.

Underlying this flurry of flying dirt and flowing concrete, the Chinese leadership seems to have a design for transcending the vast distances that have historically separated Asia from Europe. As a start, Beijing is building a comprehensive network of trans-continental gas and oil pipelines to import fuels from Siberia and Central Asia for its own population centers. When the system is complete, there will be an integrated inland energy grid (including Russia’s extensive network of pipelines) that will extend 6,000 miles across Eurasia, from the North Atlantic to the South China Sea. Next, Beijing is working to link Europe’s extensive rail network with its own expanded high-speed rail system via transcontinental lines through Central Asia, supplemented by spur lines running due south to Singapore and southwest through Pakistan.

Finally, to facilitate sea transport around the sprawling continent’s southern rim, China has already bought into or is in the process of building more than 30 major port facilities, stretching from the Straits of Malacca across the Indian Ocean, around Africa, and along Europe’s extended coastline. In January, to take advantage of Arctic waters opened by global warming, Beijing began planning for a “Polar Silk Road,” a scheme that fits well with ambitious Russian and Scandinavian projects to establish a shorter shipping route around the continent’s northern coast to Europe.

Though Eurasia is its prime focus, China is also pursuing economic expansion in Africa and Latin America to create what might be dubbed the strategy of the four continents. To tie Africa into its projected Eurasian network, Beijing already had doubled its annual trade there by 2015 to $222 billion, three times that of the United States, thanks to a massive infusion of capital expected to reach a trillion dollars by 2025. Much of it is financing the sort of commodities extraction that has already made the continent China’s second largest source of crude oil. Similarly, Beijing has invested heavily in Latin America, acquiring, for instance, control over 90% of Ecuador’s oil reserves. As a result, its commerce with that continent doubled in a decade, reaching $244 billion in 2017, topping U.S. trade with what once was known as its own “backyard.”

A Conflict with Consequences

This contest between Xi’s globalism and Trump’s nationalism has not been safely confined to an innocuous marketplace of ideas. Over the past four years, the two powers have engaged in an escalating military rivalry and a cutthroat commercial competition. Apart from a shadowy struggle for dominance in space and cyberspace, there has also been a visible, potentially volatile naval arms race to control the sea lanes surrounding Asia, specifically in the Indian Ocean and South China Sea. In a 2015 white paper, Beijing stated that “it is necessary for China to develop a modern maritime military force structure commensurate with its national security.” Backed by lethal land-based missiles, jet fighters, and a global satellite system, China has built just such a modernized fleet of 320 ships, including nuclear submarines and its first aircraft carriers.

Within two years, U.S. Chief of Naval Operations Admiral John Richardson reported that China’s “growing and modernized fleet” was “shrinking” the traditional American advantage in the Pacific, and warned that “we must shake off any vestiges of comfort or complacency.” Under Trump’s latest $700-billion-plus defense budget, Washington has responded to this challenge with a crash program to build 46 new ships, which will raise its total to 326 by 2023. As China builds new naval bases bristling with armaments in the Arabian and South China seas, the U.S. Navy has begun conducting assertive “freedom-of-navigation” patrols near many of those same installations, heightening the potential for conflict.

It is in the commercial realm of trade and tariffs, however, where competition has segued into overt conflict. Acting on his belief that “trade wars are good and easy to win,” President Trump slapped heavy tariffs, targeted above all at China, on steel imports in March and, just a few weeks later, punished that country’s intellectual property theft by promising tariffs on $50 billion of Chinese imports. When those tariffs finally hit in July, China immediately retaliated against what it called “typical trade bullying” with similar tariffs on U.S. goods. The Financial Times warned that this “tit-for-tat” can escalate into a “full bore trade war… that will be very bad for the global economy.” As Trump threatened to tax $500 billion more in Chinese imports and issued confusing, even contradictory demands that made it unlikely Beijing could ever comply, observers became concerned that a long-lasting trade war could destabilize what the New York Times called the “mountain of debt” that sustains much of China’s economy. In Washington, the usually taciturn Federal Reserve chairman issued an uncommon warning that “trade tensions… could pose serious risks to the U.S. and global economy.”

China as Global Hegemon?

Although a withering of Washington’s global reach, abetted and possibly accelerated by the Trump presidency, is already underway, the shape of any future world order is still anything but clear. At present, China is the sole state with the obvious requisites for becoming the planet’s new hegemon. Its phenomenal economic rise, coupled with its expanding military and growing technological prowess, provide that country with the obvious fundamentals for superpower status.

Yet neither China nor any other state seems to have the full imperial complement of attributes to replace the United States as the dominant world leader. Apart from its rising economic and military clout, China, like its sometime ally Russia, has a self-referential culture, non-democratic political structures, and a developing legal system that could deny it some of the key instruments for global leadership.

In addition to the fundamentals of military and economic power, “every successful empire,” observes Cambridge University historian Joya Chatterji, “had to elaborate a universalist and inclusive discourse” to win support from the world’s subordinate states and their leaders. Successful imperial transitions driven by the hard power of guns and money also require the soft-power salve of cultural suasion for sustained and successful global dominion. Spain espoused Catholicism and Hispanism, the Ottomans Islam, the Soviets communism, France a cultural francophonie, and Britain an Anglophone culture. Indeed, during its century of global dominion from 1850 to 1940, Britain was the exemplar par excellence of such soft power, evincing an enticing cultural ethos of fair play and free markets that it propagated through the Anglican church, the English language and its literature, and the virtual invention of modern athletics (cricket, soccer, tennis, rugby, and rowing). Similarly, at the dawn of its global dominion, the United States courted allies worldwide through soft-power programs promoting democracy and development. These were made all the more palatable by the appeal of such things as Hollywood films, civic organizations like Rotary International, and popular sports like basketball and baseball.

China has nothing comparable. Its writing system has some 7,000 characters, not 26 letters. Its communist ideology and popular culture are remarkably, even avowedly, particularistic. And you don’t have to look far for another Asian power that attempted Pacific dominion without the salve of soft power. During Japan’s occupation of Southeast Asia in World War II, its troops went from being hailed as liberators to facing open revolt across the region after they failed to propagate their similarly particularistic culture.

As command-economy states for much of the past century, neither China nor Russia developed an independent judiciary or the autonomous rules-based order that undergirds the modern international system. From the foundation of the Permanent Court of Arbitration at The Hague in 1899 through the formation of the International Court of Justice under the U.N.’s 1945 charter, the world’s nations have aspired to the resolution of conflicts via arbitration or litigation rather than armed conflict. More broadly, the modern globalized economy is held together by a web of conventions, treaties, patents, and contracts grounded in law.

From its founding in 1949, the People’s Republic of China gave primacy to the party and state, slowing the growth of an autonomous legal system and the rule of law. A test of its attitude toward this system of global governance came in 2016 when the Permanent Court of Arbitration at The Hague ruled unanimously that China’s claims to sovereignty in the South China Sea “are contrary to the Convention [on the Law of the Sea] and without lawful effect.” Beijing’s Foreign Ministry simply dismissed the adverse decision as “invalid” and without “binding force.” President Xi insisted China’s “territorial sovereignty and maritime rights” were unchanged, while the state Xinhua news agency called the ruling “naturally null and void.” Although China might be well placed to supplant Washington’s economic and military power, its capacity to assume leadership via that other aspect of the delicate duality of global power, a network of international organizations grounded in the rule of law, is still open to question.

If Donald Trump’s vision of world disorder is a sign of the American future and if Beijing’s projected $2 trillion in infrastructure investments, history’s largest by far, succeed in unifying the commerce and transport of Asia, Africa, and Europe, then perhaps the currents of financial power and global leadership will indeed transcend all barriers and flow inexorably toward Beijing, as if by natural law. But if that bold initiative ultimately fails, then for the first time in five centuries the world may face an imperial transition without a clear successor as global hegemon. Moreover, it will do so on a planet where the “new normal” of climate change — the heating of the atmosphere and the oceans, the intensification of flood, drought, and fire, the rising seas that will devastate coastal cities, and the cascading damage to a densely populated world — could mean that the very idea of a global hegemon is fast becoming a thing of the past.

Alfred W. McCoy, a TomDispatch regular, is the Harrington professor of history at the University of Wisconsin-Madison. He is the author of The Politics of Heroin: CIA Complicity in the Global Drug Trade , the now-classic book which probed the conjuncture of illicit narcotics and covert operations over 50 years, and the recently published In the Shadows of the American Century: The Rise and Decline of U.S. Global Power (Dispatch Books).

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  1. Mr. Hack says:

    From reading this piece, it seems that China should be content to just fill the shoes of a great countryy intent on becoming the world’s undisputed ‘economic hegemon’ minus the imperial trappings of
    ‘world hegemon’. With China and Russia already jockeying for position in Central Asia, along with Turkey and Iran as smaller bit players, I don’t really see how the US can exert more control over Eurasia in order to avoid Brzezinski’s admonition? The ‘Great Game’ is poised for an interesting contest to the very end.

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  2. Sound analysis of America’s situation but not of China’s.

    Statements like , “Successful imperial transitions driven by the hard power of guns and money also require the soft-power salve of cultural suasion for sustained and successful global dominion….China has nothing comparable”. China is not, for one thing, planning a successful imperial transitions driven by the hard power of guns and money. It’s expensive and, ultimately, futile, as Professor McCoy observes and it’s the Roman way, not the Chinese..

    The Chinese way is to lead by example, not precept or threat: If you rule with regulations and use laws to bring order, the people will avoid punishment but never develop a sense of shame. If you lead them by virtuous example and bring order by assigning appropriate responsibilities then, in addition to developing a sense of shame, they will order themselves harmoniously because human affairs only prosper in harmony with the moral nature of the cosmos. Superiors and inferiors relate to each other like wind and grass: grass must bend when wind blows over it” [Analects].

    But, Prof. McCoy, protests, China has not developed an independent judiciary or the autonomous rules-based order that undergirds the modern international system. If China cannot replicate our Roman system then, he implies, it is bound to fail in its attempt to lead. But this is nonsense, on the face of it.

    Setting aside the fact that the US has consistently refused to abide by almost any autonomous rules based order (including UNCLOS), China is an exemplary participant in others’ rules based organizations, including the UN and the WTO, where it far outshines the US for good citizenship.

    Citing China’s participation in UNCLOS ignores the fact that, like Britain (Falklands) and Australia*, China reserved her participation on the grounds that Article 298 (Optional exceptions to applicability of Section 2), states that, “a State may, without prejudice to the obligations arising under Section 1 (General Provisions) of Part XV, declare in writing that it does not accept any one or more of the procedures provided for in Section 2 with respect to one or more of the following categories of disputes.” The categories listed include Article 15, the delimitation of the territorial sea between States with opposite or adjacent coasts. This is exactly what China did.  From the very beginning, China declared in writing that it would not participate and not abide by the decision of this arbitral tribunal because this dispute involves territorial sovereignty/historical rights, which cannot be properly taken into account by the abitral tribunal.

    China claims sovereignty over the Paracel Islands and the Spratly Islands dating back at least several hundred years, and Chinese fishermen have also been fishing around these islands for also hundreds of years. These islands have been marked as part of China in various maps. In 1946 after WWII ended and Japan returned Taiwan to China, China sent four military ships, accompanied by an American naval ship, to Taiping Island (the largest island of the Spratly Islands, also known as Itu Aba Island) and several other islands in the South China Sea to take back the control of these islands from Japan (note: islands such as Taiping Island is under the jurisdiction of China’s Taiwan Province). Even textbooks approved by the Indonesian government in the 1940s and 1950s recognized these islands as belonging to China. In 1956, North Vietnam had also declared that the Paracel Islands and the Spratly Islands are historically Chinese territory.

    The arbitral tribunal has five arbitrators. One was recommended by the Philippines. One would be recommended by China. Since China chose not to participate, the other four were chosen by Judge Shunji Yanai of Japan, who was the then president of the International Tribunal of the Law of the Sea (ITLOS). Judge Yanai was once the advisor to Japan’s Prime Minister Shinzo Abe on his plan to amend the Japanese Peace Constitution to allow Japan to engage in non-defensive military operations overseas. China’s position has always been that it is willing to engage in bi-lateral discussions with each country to negotiate an agreeable settlement and to resolve the dispute.
    What China did is completely consistent with UNCLOS and is perfectly legal, but you would not get that impression based on what you read from the American mass media and what you hear from American political leaders. That’s why Beijing’s Foreign Ministry simply dismissed the adverse decision as “invalid” and without “binding force.”

    But those are details.

    The real issue is the form of China’s leadership: On July 1, 2021, there will be more poor, hungry, homeless and incarcerated people in America (in absolute numbers) than in China. Coincidentally, 800 million urban Chinese will have more money to spend and a longer life expectancy than Americans. President Xi will open the first 21st century (conceived, designed and built) green city, Jingjinji Metropolitan Region of 100 million people, all electric, renewably powered and electronically controlled–and one of its businesses will be selling urban conversion kits, software and hardware to help cities around the world make the leap to sustainability.

    Perhaps more attractive, though less glitzy, will be China’s agenda from 2021-2035: making its GINI coefficient the world’s best. Gradually, the grass will bend as the wind blows over it.
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    *In March 2002, Foreign Minister Alexander Downer withdrew Australia from the maritime boundary jurisdiction of the International Court of Justice and the International Tribunal for the Law of the Sea because he didn’t dare let any independent umpire determine where the maritime border should be. The government then had the Australian Secret Intelligence Service install listening devices in East Timor’s ministerial offices to eavesdrop on East Timor’s deliberations and put Australia in a vastly superior negotiating position. In effect, Downer, and by implication Australia, one of the richest countries in the world, forced East Timor, the poorest country in Asia, to sign a treaty which stopped them obtaining their fair share of the oil and gas revenues. Some months later, the Secretary of the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade, Ashton Calvert, retired and joined the board of directors of Woodside Petroleum, which was the main financial beneficiary of the ASIS operation; and Downer, who had been responsible for ASIS, worked as a lobbyist for Woodside after leaving parliament in 2008.

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    Bravo! Mr Roberts. More please...
    , @Biff

    But, Prof. McCoy, protests, China has not developed an independent judiciary or the autonomous rules-based order that undergirds the modern international system. If China cannot replicate our Roman system then, he implies, it is bound to fail in its attempt to lead. But this is nonsense, on the face of it.
     
    That was pretty much my take on the essay as well. I’ve always enjoyed Alfred McCoy’s analysis’ but he does look at the world through a one demtional prizm from the West.
    , @animalogic
    I lack detail, but I believe a new resource treaty between East Timor & Australia has been agreed: I think it has improved E-Timor's resource position.
    On the down side, I think the whistle-blowers re: the "bugging" are being prosecuted. (Hope I'm not too wildly inaccurate).
    , @Anonymous
    Foreign Minister Alexander Downer --- right, this guy ...

    On 10 May 2016, according to The New York Times, Downer met with George Papadopoulos in London and information from this meeting caused the FBI to open a counterintelligence investigation into Russia’s attempts to disrupt the election and whether there was any involvement by Donald Trump’s associates
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Downer
    , @sb
    I suppose I should be shocked but isn't this , what all countries who can,do?
    Isn' t it called intelligence gathering ?

    OTOH would there even be an East Timor state if it wasn't for Australia ?
    , @Anonymous

    The real issue is the form of China’s leadership: On July 1, 2021, there will be more poor, hungry, homeless and incarcerated people in America (in absolute numbers) than in China.
     
    True. And when I reflect on how things were just one generation ago, that's a truly stunning fact. In fact, it's an absolute indictment of neo-liberalism. Sad ...
    , @Rubicon727
    The author has failed to explain *why* the American economy, jobs, the healthcare fiasco, and most all US politicians are in RUIN.

    In the last 35 years, the wealthy have risen to alarming heights because they subverted most all politicians and government departments, agencies enabling them to change tax and extraction laws. They've thrown aside once good paying jobs by outsourcing millions of them overseas to save on labor costs while extracting $$$$$ from millions of citizens using mortgage, college, auto debt and by jacking up rental costs of apartments and homes. The US's military-industrial complex has extracted billions of taxpayer $$$s, as well. Add to that an already illiterate and ignorant society causing a huge chasm between the few super wealthy and the 80% of the rest of the plebians.

    Those are the most essential reasons why US is dying and the author should have brought those conditions into focus.
    , @Vidi

    The real issue is the form of China’s leadership: On July 1, 2021, there will be more poor, hungry, homeless and incarcerated people in America (in absolute numbers) than in China.
     
    If the near total eradication of poverty in China happens, that will be important, as it will prove that it can be done in a large country. (It'll be a poke in the eye to the Western 1%.)
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  3. Alfa158 says:

    “exploited by self-aggrandizing allies, battered by unequal trade terms, threatened by tides of undocumented immigrants, and betrayed by self-serving elites too timid or compromised to defend the nation’s interests.”
    And…what part of that is wrong?

    We can forget about China becoming the next global hegemon, they’re too smart and self interested for that. They have seen how global empire and colonialism bankrupted, destroyed, and reverse colonized with colonial subjects the countries of the previous hegemons. The trillions of dollars they are investing outside China are not to build a traditional empire, but to install the infrastructure and institutions needed to guarantee control of world wide natural resources and energy, and develop world markets for their businesses. Unlike their predecessors they aren’t going into the third world with any intention of bringing Christ or Cricket to the natives, or teaching them to speak French and think of themselves as universal citizens of the Empire. Wisely; they’re just there for the loot.

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    '...Unlike their predecessors they aren’t going into the third world with any intention of bringing Christ or Cricket to the natives, or teaching them to speak French and think of themselves as universal citizens of the Empire. Wisely; they’re just there for the loot.'

    Yeah -- but we more or less started out that way. Look up 'dollar diplomacy.' It wasn't until President Wilson that we started injecting morality into every transaction -- and it wasn't until the Cold War that we actually started seeking to determine events globally.

    The same, incidentally, could be said to at least some extent of British colonialism. The East India Company was very frankly in it all for the money, and -- again -- it wasn't until the middle of the nineteenth century that Britain started treating her empire as anything more than a way of making money. Notice the relative willingness with which she had earlier parted with the American colonies -- 'nuts to this; it isn't paying.' It really doesn't seem to have been much of a blow to her self-esteem at all.

    So China now may be in it for a quick buck. It remains to be seen if that's still the case fifty years from now. Who knows what sense of global mission they'll have acquired by then.

    , @Anon
    In other words, The Chinese Empire will be like the Roman and Turkish ones. The Empire will be run for the benefit of the people of the Empire, not the people of the colonies.

    What a concept.
    , @Felix rotter
    To guarantee access to natural resources will they be moving populations to different continents?
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  4. anon[183] • Disclaimer says:

    Michael Pillsbury

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    Dr. Michael Pillsbury shares insight on ‘Life, Liberty & Levin’ about China’s tactical maneuvers against the U.S. through its science, technological and military capabilities.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seKRJ3JBQmc

    Source: https://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/the-yellow-peril-comes-to-washington/#comment-2465085

    Can China Lead The World Economy?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uO2WcRJ-9Gg
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  5. anon[358] • Disclaimer says:

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/FINAL-China-Technology-Report-6.18.18-PDF.pdf

    China has non trivial challenges, not the least of which is demographic

    Expect a more modest trade settlement, with less emphasis on overall trade and more on tech. The massive, debt financed Silk Road may not pay off….its not like China nor its trading partners are transportation constrained.

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    But they are transportation constrained when oil, gas, and trade flow through straits that the west controls. You obviously have not read Mackinder or Bresinsky.
    , @Joe Wong
    In according to the American, civilization did not exist before 18th century, the American is the god chosen ones that appeared thru thin air, and only the American can invent and only the American can succeed.
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  6. FKA Max says: • Website
    @anon
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=22&v=njGe2CPxHI8

    Michael Pillsbury


    Dr. Michael Pillsbury shares insight on ‘Life, Liberty & Levin’ about China’s tactical maneuvers against the U.S. through its science, technological and military capabilities.

    Source: https://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/the-yellow-peril-comes-to-washington/#comment-2465085

    Can China Lead The World Economy?

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    While automation brings its own set of problems, such as unemployed workers and robot security issues, the progress made so far is unlikely to be reversed, as it suits China’s developmental trajectory of high-end, technologically sophisticated manufacturing. However, existing obstacles mean China’s domestic robotics industry will not catch up with foreign competitors any time soon. Reaching some kind of parity in ten years is the most optimistic assessment. Chinese industrial robots have no real advantage over imports besides price, but a higher failure rate https://www.roboticschina.com/news/201704181034.html means Chinese consumers have much more confidence in foreign-made products. - https://thediplomat.com/2017/05/who-will-satisfy-chinas-thirst-for-industrial-robots/

    China’s robot industry ‘plagued by low quality, overinvestment and too much duplication’

    Recent statistics from the China Robot Industry Alliance (CRIA) suggest that more than 60 per cent of some 22,000 industrial robots made by domestic companies last year were low-end models. [...] Ren Yutong, executive president of the Guangdong Robotics Association, said China lagged far behind developed economies in robot component technology. - https://www.scmp.com/news/china/economy/article/1976825/chinas-robot-industry-plagued-low-quality-overinvestment-and-too

    https://ifr.org/img/uploads/Robot_density_by_country_page_2.jpg

    Source: https://ifr.org/ifr-press-releases/news/robot-density-rises-globally

    , @Joe Wong
    Before WWII, the American is just one of the Western imperialists ravaged and wreaked havoc of Asia with barbaric wars, illicit drugs like Opium, slavery, stealing, robbing, looting, plundering, murdering, torturing, exploiting, polluting, culture genocide, ‘pious’ fanaticism, unmatchable greed and extreme brutality. In fact it is hard to tell the difference between the American and the unrepentant war criminal Japanese who is more lethal and barbaric to Asians.

    For over seventy years the US has dominated Asia, ravaging the continent with two major wars in Korea and Indo-China with millions of casualties, and multiple counter-insurgency interventions in Indonesia, Thailand, Malaysia, the Philippines, Timor, Myanmar, Pakistan and Afghanistan. The strategic goal has been to expand its military and political power, exploit the economies and resources and encircle China.

    The Western world has a long history of wanting the products of Chinese industry (in both the physical and psychological sense) and a long history of being unable to provide similar in return. Before WWII the West used Opium, violence and lies to get it, nowadays the West led by the American use fiet money (printed or digital funny dollars) instead of Opium, violence and lies to get it.

    Michael Pillsbury is mentally defunct by blaming the victim of the American unscruplous deeds as the bad guy duping the US.
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  7. kauchai says:
    @Godfree Roberts
    Sound analysis of America's situation but not of China's.

    Statements like , "Successful imperial transitions driven by the hard power of guns and money also require the soft-power salve of cultural suasion for sustained and successful global dominion....China has nothing comparable". China is not, for one thing, planning a successful imperial transitions driven by the hard power of guns and money. It's expensive and, ultimately, futile, as Professor McCoy observes and it's the Roman way, not the Chinese..

    The Chinese way is to lead by example, not precept or threat: If you rule with regulations and use laws to bring order, the people will avoid punishment but never develop a sense of shame. If you lead them by virtuous example and bring order by assigning appropriate responsibilities then, in addition to developing a sense of shame, they will order themselves harmoniously because human affairs only prosper in harmony with the moral nature of the cosmos. Superiors and inferiors relate to each other like wind and grass: grass must bend when wind blows over it” [Analects].

    But, Prof. McCoy, protests, China has not developed an independent judiciary or the autonomous rules-based order that undergirds the modern international system. If China cannot replicate our Roman system then, he implies, it is bound to fail in its attempt to lead. But this is nonsense, on the face of it.

    Setting aside the fact that the US has consistently refused to abide by almost any autonomous rules based order (including UNCLOS), China is an exemplary participant in others' rules based organizations, including the UN and the WTO, where it far outshines the US for good citizenship.

    Citing China's participation in UNCLOS ignores the fact that, like Britain (Falklands) and Australia*, China reserved her participation on the grounds that Article 298 (Optional exceptions to applicability of Section 2), states that, “a State may, without prejudice to the obligations arising under Section 1 (General Provisions) of Part XV, declare in writing that it does not accept any one or more of the procedures provided for in Section 2 with respect to one or more of the following categories of disputes.” The categories listed include Article 15, the delimitation of the territorial sea between States with opposite or adjacent coasts. This is exactly what China did.  From the very beginning, China declared in writing that it would not participate and not abide by the decision of this arbitral tribunal because this dispute involves territorial sovereignty/historical rights, which cannot be properly taken into account by the abitral tribunal.

    China claims sovereignty over the Paracel Islands and the Spratly Islands dating back at least several hundred years, and Chinese fishermen have also been fishing around these islands for also hundreds of years. These islands have been marked as part of China in various maps. In 1946 after WWII ended and Japan returned Taiwan to China, China sent four military ships, accompanied by an American naval ship, to Taiping Island (the largest island of the Spratly Islands, also known as Itu Aba Island) and several other islands in the South China Sea to take back the control of these islands from Japan (note: islands such as Taiping Island is under the jurisdiction of China’s Taiwan Province). Even textbooks approved by the Indonesian government in the 1940s and 1950s recognized these islands as belonging to China. In 1956, North Vietnam had also declared that the Paracel Islands and the Spratly Islands are historically Chinese territory.

    The arbitral tribunal has five arbitrators. One was recommended by the Philippines. One would be recommended by China. Since China chose not to participate, the other four were chosen by Judge Shunji Yanai of Japan, who was the then president of the International Tribunal of the Law of the Sea (ITLOS). Judge Yanai was once the advisor to Japan’s Prime Minister Shinzo Abe on his plan to amend the Japanese Peace Constitution to allow Japan to engage in non-defensive military operations overseas. China’s position has always been that it is willing to engage in bi-lateral discussions with each country to negotiate an agreeable settlement and to resolve the dispute.
    What China did is completely consistent with UNCLOS and is perfectly legal, but you would not get that impression based on what you read from the American mass media and what you hear from American political leaders. That's why Beijing’s Foreign Ministry simply dismissed the adverse decision as “invalid” and without “binding force.”

    But those are details.

    The real issue is the form of China's leadership: On July 1, 2021, there will be more poor, hungry, homeless and incarcerated people in America (in absolute numbers) than in China. Coincidentally, 800 million urban Chinese will have more money to spend and a longer life expectancy than Americans. President Xi will open the first 21st century (conceived, designed and built) green city, Jingjinji Metropolitan Region of 100 million people, all electric, renewably powered and electronically controlled–and one of its businesses will be selling urban conversion kits, software and hardware to help cities around the world make the leap to sustainability.

    Perhaps more attractive, though less glitzy, will be China's agenda from 2021-2035: making its GINI coefficient the world's best. Gradually, the grass will bend as the wind blows over it.
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    *In March 2002, Foreign Minister Alexander Downer withdrew Australia from the maritime boundary jurisdiction of the International Court of Justice and the International Tribunal for the Law of the Sea because he didn’t dare let any independent umpire determine where the maritime border should be. The government then had the Australian Secret Intelligence Service install listening devices in East Timor’s ministerial offices to eavesdrop on East Timor’s deliberations and put Australia in a vastly superior negotiating position. In effect, Downer, and by implication Australia, one of the richest countries in the world, forced East Timor, the poorest country in Asia, to sign a treaty which stopped them obtaining their fair share of the oil and gas revenues. Some months later, the Secretary of the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade, Ashton Calvert, retired and joined the board of directors of Woodside Petroleum, which was the main financial beneficiary of the ASIS operation; and Downer, who had been responsible for ASIS, worked as a lobbyist for Woodside after leaving parliament in 2008.

    Bravo! Mr Roberts. More please…

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  8. FKA Max says: • Website
    @FKA Max

    Dr. Michael Pillsbury shares insight on ‘Life, Liberty & Levin’ about China’s tactical maneuvers against the U.S. through its science, technological and military capabilities.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seKRJ3JBQmc

    Source: https://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/the-yellow-peril-comes-to-washington/#comment-2465085

    Can China Lead The World Economy?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uO2WcRJ-9Gg

    While automation brings its own set of problems, such as unemployed workers and robot security issues, the progress made so far is unlikely to be reversed, as it suits China’s developmental trajectory of high-end, technologically sophisticated manufacturing. However, existing obstacles mean China’s domestic robotics industry will not catch up with foreign competitors any time soon. Reaching some kind of parity in ten years is the most optimistic assessment. Chinese industrial robots have no real advantage over imports besides price, but a higher failure rate https://www.roboticschina.com/news/201704181034.html means Chinese consumers have much more confidence in foreign-made products.https://thediplomat.com/2017/05/who-will-satisfy-chinas-thirst-for-industrial-robots/

    China’s robot industry ‘plagued by low quality, overinvestment and too much duplication’

    Recent statistics from the China Robot Industry Alliance (CRIA) suggest that more than 60 per cent of some 22,000 industrial robots made by domestic companies last year were low-end models. [...] Ren Yutong, executive president of the Guangdong Robotics Association, said China lagged far behind developed economies in robot component technology. – https://www.scmp.com/news/china/economy/article/1976825/chinas-robot-industry-plagued-low-quality-overinvestment-and-too

    Source: https://ifr.org/ifr-press-releases/news/robot-density-rises-globally

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    All new industries are plagued by low quality, overinvestment and too much duplication. That's how new industries are born.

    As to a ten year catchup? I'd say five at the outside: the needed IP is scattered amongst hundreds of startups and Beijing will gather them into cooperatives with pooled expertise, maybe as soon as this year.
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  9. ‘…Successful imperial transitions driven by the hard power of guns and money also require the soft-power salve of cultural suasion for sustained and successful global dominion…’

    Interestingly, China traditionally relied a great deal on what could only be called ‘soft power.’ It culturally dominated both Korea and China, and at least in the case of Korea, this paid dividends in the form of a Korean kingdom willing to accept Chinese political as well as cultural domination.

    On the one hand, China obviously no longer possesses the necessary requisites to exert such power in precisely the form she once did; the ideas that rule the world are no longer Chinese ones.

    On the other hand, perhaps at some level a mental outlook still remains that will allow China to dominate without attempting to oppress. Here I’m contrasting China’s outlook with that of, say, Russia, whose ability to play the great power has always been hampered by her inability to interact with her neighbors on any terms other than outright conquest and ruthless oppression.

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    To the rest of the world, all the Europeans (Americans are the offshot of the Europeans) and Muslims are the same, none of them can interact with their neighbors or another human beings on any terms other than outright conquest and ruthless oppression, two world world wars, and countless colonial wars are the products of their mental and culture characteristics.
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  10. @Alfa158
    “exploited by self-aggrandizing allies, battered by unequal trade terms, threatened by tides of undocumented immigrants, and betrayed by self-serving elites too timid or compromised to defend the nation’s interests.”
    And...what part of that is wrong?

    We can forget about China becoming the next global hegemon, they’re too smart and self interested for that. They have seen how global empire and colonialism bankrupted, destroyed, and reverse colonized with colonial subjects the countries of the previous hegemons. The trillions of dollars they are investing outside China are not to build a traditional empire, but to install the infrastructure and institutions needed to guarantee control of world wide natural resources and energy, and develop world markets for their businesses. Unlike their predecessors they aren’t going into the third world with any intention of bringing Christ or Cricket to the natives, or teaching them to speak French and think of themselves as universal citizens of the Empire. Wisely; they’re just there for the loot.

    ‘…Unlike their predecessors they aren’t going into the third world with any intention of bringing Christ or Cricket to the natives, or teaching them to speak French and think of themselves as universal citizens of the Empire. Wisely; they’re just there for the loot.’

    Yeah — but we more or less started out that way. Look up ‘dollar diplomacy.’ It wasn’t until President Wilson that we started injecting morality into every transaction — and it wasn’t until the Cold War that we actually started seeking to determine events globally.

    The same, incidentally, could be said to at least some extent of British colonialism. The East India Company was very frankly in it all for the money, and — again — it wasn’t until the middle of the nineteenth century that Britain started treating her empire as anything more than a way of making money. Notice the relative willingness with which she had earlier parted with the American colonies — ‘nuts to this; it isn’t paying.’ It really doesn’t seem to have been much of a blow to her self-esteem at all.

    So China now may be in it for a quick buck. It remains to be seen if that’s still the case fifty years from now. Who knows what sense of global mission they’ll have acquired by then.

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    It wasn’t until President Wilson that we started injecting morality into every transaction
     
    Wrong.

    Albert J. Beveridge's 1898 "March of the Flag “ is a must read since he's quite open about how the ruling plutoligarchs viewed others and it rivals Cecil Rhodes’ "Confession of Faith" (1877).

    Here you go, and it's full of moralizing...


    Shall the American people continue their resistless march toward the commercial supremacy of the world?

    Shall free institutions broaden their blessed reign as the children of liberty wax in strength until the empire of our principles is established over the hearts of all mankind? Have we no mission to perform–no duty to discharge to our fellow-man? Has the Almighty Father endowed us with gifts beyond our deserts, and marked us as the people of His peculiar favor, merely to rot in our own selfishness, as men and nations must who take cowardice for their companion and self for their Deity–as China has, as India has, as Egypt has?

    -Albert J. Beveridge, “March of the Flag,” (16 September 1898) Speech Text
    http://voicesofdemocracy.umd.edu/beveridge-march-of-the-flag-speech-text/

     


    …we have invited clean young men to shoulder a discredited musket and do bandit's work under a flag which bandits have been accustomed to fear, not to follow; we have debauched America's honor and blackened her face before the world. . .

    -Mark Twain, "To the Person Sitting in Darkness," (1901)

    http://xroads.virginia.edu/~DRBR/sitting.html
     

    One of the excuses for the American war against the Philippines is that 'Merka was supposed to "Christianize" and "enlighten" the little brown people in the Philippines, which was pretty hilarious since it had long been "Christianized" to a large extent by the Spanish "Christian" imperialists. In fact, the University of Santo Tomas was established there before the US was a country.
    , @Godfree Roberts
    I suggest you review China's 2,000 year track record before making predictions.
    , @Malla
    The primary reason may be commercial but there always was a moral, civilizing motive. If not, how do you explain this?

    Bengal Sati Regulation, 1829
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengal_Sati_Regulation,_1829
    The Bengal Sati Regulation,[nb 1] or Regulation XVII, A. D. 1829 of the Bengal Code was a legal act promulgated in British India under East India Company rule, by the then Governor-General Lord William Bentinck, which made the practice of sati or suttee—or the immolation of a Hindu widow on the funeral pyre of her deceased husband—illegal in all jurisdictions of British India and subject to prosecution.

    Female Infanticide Prevention Act, 1870
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_Infanticide_Prevention_Act,_1870
    The Female Infanticide Prevention Act, 1870,[1] also Act VIII of 1870 was a legislative act passed in British India, to prevent murder of female infants. The Section 7 of this Act declared that it was initially applicable only to the territories of Oudh, North-Western Provinces and Punjab, but the Act authorized the Governor General to extend the law to any other district or province of the British Raj at his discretion.[2]
    The law authorized the creation of a police force to maintain birth, marriage and death registers, to conduct census of the district at its discretion, enforce a special tax on the district to pay for the expenses and entertainment of said police officers.[2] The Act also stipulated a prison sentence of six months or a fine of thirty thousand rupees, or both, on anyone who disobeyed or obstructed the police officers enforcing the Act.[4] Section 6 of the Act allowed the police officer to seize a child from any person he suspects may neglect or endanger any female child, as well as force collect a monthly fee from that person.[5]

    Hindu Widows' Remarriage Act, 1856
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_Widows%27_Remarriage_Act,_1856
    The Hindu Widows' Remarriage Act, 1856, also Act XV, 1856, enacted on 26 July 1856, legalise the remarriage of Hindu widows in all jurisdictions of India under East India Company rule.[1]
    To protect what it considered family honour and family property, upper-caste Hindu society had long disallowed the remarriage of widows, even child and adolescent ones, all of whom were expected to live a life of austerity and abnegation.[2] The Hindu Widows' Remarriage Act of 1856, enacted in response to the campaign of Pandit Ishwar Chandra Vidyasagar,[3] provided legal safeguards against loss of certain forms of inheritance for a remarrying Hindu widow,[2] though, under the Act, the widow forsook any inheritance due her from her deceased husband.[4]Especially targeted in the act were Hindu child widows whose husbands had died before consummation of marriage.[5]

    Age of Consent Act, 1891
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_Consent_Act,_1891
    The Age of Consent Act, 1891, also Act X of 1891, was a legislation enacted in British India on 19 March 1891 which raised the age of consent for sexual intercourse for all girls, married or unmarried, from ten to twelve years in all jurisdictions, its violation subject to criminal prosecution as rape.[1][nb 1] The act was an amendment of the Indian Penal Code and Code of Criminal Procedure, Section 375, 1882, ("Of Rape"),[nb 2] and was introduced as a bill on 9 January 1891 by Sir Andrew Scoble in the Legislative Council of the Governor-General of India in Calcutta.[2] It was debated the same day and opposed by council member Sir Romesh Chunder Mitter (from Bengal) on the grounds that it interfered with orthodox Hindu code, but supported by council member Rao Bahadur Krishnaji Lakshman Nulkar (from Bombay) and by the President of the council, the Governor-General and Viceroy Lord Lansdowne.[2][3][nb 3] While an 1880 case in a Bombay high court by a child-bride, Rukhmabai, renewed discussion of such a law, the death of an eleven-year-old Bengali girl, Phulomnee, due to forceful intercourse by her 35-year-old husband in 1889, necessitated intervention by the British.[4] The act was passed in 1891. It received support from Indian reformers such as Behramji Malabari and women social organisations. The law was never seriously enforced and it is argued that the real effect of the law was reassertion of Hindu patriarchal control over domestic issues as a nationalistic cause.

    Indian Slavery Act, 1843
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Slavery_Act,_1843
    The Indian Slavery Act, 1843, also Act V of 1843, was an act passed in British India under East India Company rule, which outlawed many economic transactions associated with slavery. The sale of any person as a slave was banned, and anyone buying or selling slaves would be booked under the Indian Penal Code, with offence carrying strict punishment

    Child Marriage Restraint Act
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_Marriage_Restraint_ActChild
    Marriage Restraint Act 1929, passed on 28 September 1929 in the British India Legislature of India, fixed the age of marriage for girls at 14 years and boys at 18 years which was later amended to 18 for girls and 21 for boys. It is popularly known as the Sarda Act, after its sponsor Harbilas Sarda. It came into effect six months later on April 1, 1930 and it applies to all of British India, not just to Hindus.[1][2][3] It was a result of social reform movement in India. The legislation was passed by the British Indian Government.[4]

    Ancient Monuments Preservation Act 1904
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Monuments_Preservation_Act_1904
    The Ancient Monuments Preservation Act, 1904 was passed in 18, March 1904 by British India during the times of Lord Curzon. it is expedient to provide for the preservation of ancient monuments, for the exercise of control over traffic in antiquities and over excavation in certain places, and for the protection and acquisition in certain cases of ancient monuments and of objects of archaeological, historical or artistic interest. Act preserves and restores ancient Indian monuments by Archaeological Survey of India.

    Hindu Inheritance (Removal of Disabilities) Act, 1928 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_Inheritance_(Removal_of_Disabilities)_Act,_1928
    The Hindu Inheritance (Removal of Disabilities) Act, 1928 was enacted to abolish the exclusion from inheritance of certain classes of heirs, and to remove certain doubts regarding their ability to inherit property. The Act specifies that persons who are diseased, deformed or physically or mentally handicapped cannot be disqualified from their right to own or share joint-family property unless the law specifies otherwise.

    Punjab Land Alienation Act, 1900
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punjab_Land_Alienation_Act,_1900
    The advent of British rule in India had led to a trend whereby ownership rights to land were increasingly concentrated in the hands of urban moneylenders and other commercial communities among the Hindu population. They were assigned the property previously held by poor peasants, who either sold or mortgaged for the short-term benefit derived from the increasing values of land caused by improved agricultural methods, irrigation and communications. Such transfers were enforceable under law but, in British eyes, potentially damaging to their colonial administration because they might ultimately result in a disaffected rural peasant population. British law was effectively supporting the growth of a class of people — the new owners — that might prove detrimental to its own purpose. In addition, historian Kenneth Jones says that the transfers were contrary to British sentiments: "Not only did this development threaten the stability and peace of the Punjab, it also struck at the British self-image of benevolent and paternalistic protectors of the lowly peasant".

    What commercial benefits do the above bring?
    And how about starting institutes to research and preserve Ancient Indian Culture. What commercial benefit would it bring the East India Company?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sanskrit_College_and_University
    Sanskrit College and University (erstwhile Sanskrit College) is a specialized state-government administered Liberal Arts University offering an undergraduate degree in Sanskrit language, Pali language, Linguistics and ancient Indian and world history.[1][2] It is one of the affiliated colleges of the University of Calcutta. Founded on 1 January 1824, Sanskrit College, is one of the oldest educational institutions in the subcontinent.[3] It is a traditional college that specializes in the scholarship of Indian tradition, philosophy and religion. It is located on College Street in central Kolkata. Its centrality is heightened by its proximity to Hindu School, Presidency College, Kolkata, the University of Calcutta, and the Indian Coffee House. It was established during the Governor-Generalship of Lord Amherst, based on a recommendation by HT James Prinsep and Thomas Babington Macaulay among others. The great Indian Hindu thinker from Bengal Ishvar Chandra Vidyasagar came from this college.

    , @Miro23

    So China now may be in it for a quick buck. It remains to be seen if that’s still the case fifty years from now. Who knows what sense of global mission they’ll have acquired by then.
     
    Yes, it's very much an open question - but I'd be inclined to see China going the same way as Britain and the US (and almost all international economic/political projects). As you say, trade and industry come first with international markets, but when the wealth and power arrive and are taken for granted then you get the ideas of racial superiority and Imperial Right.

    If we're the richest and most industrially successful people in the world isn't it obvious that we are superior to lesser races and have a divine right to rule others?

    And the Chinese are already quite familiar with the ethnic superiority idea, for example the highly corrupt billionaire overseas Chinese of S.E.Asia. They operate as ethnic packs and have a vice grip on the economies of places like Thailand and Indonesia , and they are not nice people.

    Ref. Joe Studwell's, "Asian Godfathers: Money and Power in Hong Kong and Southeast Asia"
    https://www.amazon.com/Asian-Godfathers-Money-Power-Southeast-ebook/dp/B008V4621S
    Essential reading on the wholesale looting of S.E.Asia.
    , @Joe Wong
    There is a big difference between the Euroepean and the Chinese. Europeans (American is an offshoot of European) are cult culture base people, like Muslim, their culture mission is to convert people into one like them by whatever means until no Kafir (free thinkers) left.

    Chinese is not European, and god and faith does not play a very important role in their culture and civlization, Chinese have more important bussiness to take care of, i.e. harmony of the human beings. So keep your way of thinking to the European please.
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  11. Biff says:
    @Godfree Roberts
    Sound analysis of America's situation but not of China's.

    Statements like , "Successful imperial transitions driven by the hard power of guns and money also require the soft-power salve of cultural suasion for sustained and successful global dominion....China has nothing comparable". China is not, for one thing, planning a successful imperial transitions driven by the hard power of guns and money. It's expensive and, ultimately, futile, as Professor McCoy observes and it's the Roman way, not the Chinese..

    The Chinese way is to lead by example, not precept or threat: If you rule with regulations and use laws to bring order, the people will avoid punishment but never develop a sense of shame. If you lead them by virtuous example and bring order by assigning appropriate responsibilities then, in addition to developing a sense of shame, they will order themselves harmoniously because human affairs only prosper in harmony with the moral nature of the cosmos. Superiors and inferiors relate to each other like wind and grass: grass must bend when wind blows over it” [Analects].

    But, Prof. McCoy, protests, China has not developed an independent judiciary or the autonomous rules-based order that undergirds the modern international system. If China cannot replicate our Roman system then, he implies, it is bound to fail in its attempt to lead. But this is nonsense, on the face of it.

    Setting aside the fact that the US has consistently refused to abide by almost any autonomous rules based order (including UNCLOS), China is an exemplary participant in others' rules based organizations, including the UN and the WTO, where it far outshines the US for good citizenship.

    Citing China's participation in UNCLOS ignores the fact that, like Britain (Falklands) and Australia*, China reserved her participation on the grounds that Article 298 (Optional exceptions to applicability of Section 2), states that, “a State may, without prejudice to the obligations arising under Section 1 (General Provisions) of Part XV, declare in writing that it does not accept any one or more of the procedures provided for in Section 2 with respect to one or more of the following categories of disputes.” The categories listed include Article 15, the delimitation of the territorial sea between States with opposite or adjacent coasts. This is exactly what China did.  From the very beginning, China declared in writing that it would not participate and not abide by the decision of this arbitral tribunal because this dispute involves territorial sovereignty/historical rights, which cannot be properly taken into account by the abitral tribunal.

    China claims sovereignty over the Paracel Islands and the Spratly Islands dating back at least several hundred years, and Chinese fishermen have also been fishing around these islands for also hundreds of years. These islands have been marked as part of China in various maps. In 1946 after WWII ended and Japan returned Taiwan to China, China sent four military ships, accompanied by an American naval ship, to Taiping Island (the largest island of the Spratly Islands, also known as Itu Aba Island) and several other islands in the South China Sea to take back the control of these islands from Japan (note: islands such as Taiping Island is under the jurisdiction of China’s Taiwan Province). Even textbooks approved by the Indonesian government in the 1940s and 1950s recognized these islands as belonging to China. In 1956, North Vietnam had also declared that the Paracel Islands and the Spratly Islands are historically Chinese territory.

    The arbitral tribunal has five arbitrators. One was recommended by the Philippines. One would be recommended by China. Since China chose not to participate, the other four were chosen by Judge Shunji Yanai of Japan, who was the then president of the International Tribunal of the Law of the Sea (ITLOS). Judge Yanai was once the advisor to Japan’s Prime Minister Shinzo Abe on his plan to amend the Japanese Peace Constitution to allow Japan to engage in non-defensive military operations overseas. China’s position has always been that it is willing to engage in bi-lateral discussions with each country to negotiate an agreeable settlement and to resolve the dispute.
    What China did is completely consistent with UNCLOS and is perfectly legal, but you would not get that impression based on what you read from the American mass media and what you hear from American political leaders. That's why Beijing’s Foreign Ministry simply dismissed the adverse decision as “invalid” and without “binding force.”

    But those are details.

    The real issue is the form of China's leadership: On July 1, 2021, there will be more poor, hungry, homeless and incarcerated people in America (in absolute numbers) than in China. Coincidentally, 800 million urban Chinese will have more money to spend and a longer life expectancy than Americans. President Xi will open the first 21st century (conceived, designed and built) green city, Jingjinji Metropolitan Region of 100 million people, all electric, renewably powered and electronically controlled–and one of its businesses will be selling urban conversion kits, software and hardware to help cities around the world make the leap to sustainability.

    Perhaps more attractive, though less glitzy, will be China's agenda from 2021-2035: making its GINI coefficient the world's best. Gradually, the grass will bend as the wind blows over it.
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    *In March 2002, Foreign Minister Alexander Downer withdrew Australia from the maritime boundary jurisdiction of the International Court of Justice and the International Tribunal for the Law of the Sea because he didn’t dare let any independent umpire determine where the maritime border should be. The government then had the Australian Secret Intelligence Service install listening devices in East Timor’s ministerial offices to eavesdrop on East Timor’s deliberations and put Australia in a vastly superior negotiating position. In effect, Downer, and by implication Australia, one of the richest countries in the world, forced East Timor, the poorest country in Asia, to sign a treaty which stopped them obtaining their fair share of the oil and gas revenues. Some months later, the Secretary of the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade, Ashton Calvert, retired and joined the board of directors of Woodside Petroleum, which was the main financial beneficiary of the ASIS operation; and Downer, who had been responsible for ASIS, worked as a lobbyist for Woodside after leaving parliament in 2008.

    But, Prof. McCoy, protests, China has not developed an independent judiciary or the autonomous rules-based order that undergirds the modern international system. If China cannot replicate our Roman system then, he implies, it is bound to fail in its attempt to lead. But this is nonsense, on the face of it.

    That was pretty much my take on the essay as well. I’ve always enjoyed Alfred McCoy’s analysis’ but he does look at the world through a one demtional prizm from the West.

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    Alfred McCoy’s analysis’
     
    If you meant to put "analysis" in quotation marks, you'd have been correct. The title hinted that this would be a clueless piece and I couldn't push myself to read beyond this cornball canard,

    After a short political apprenticeship as a conspiracy advocate, Donald Trump took office in 2017 as an ardent America First nationalist...
     
    Anyone who sneers at the concept of conspiracies in that way is only showing how brainwashed he is and to call Trump an "ardent America First nationalist" reveals a cringe-worthy naivete that is too pathetic to laugh at.

    I'm only here to read and respond to the comments. The article starts out as a simple minded joke.
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  12. I think China has some features that could prove to be crippling.

    For one, her economy does rely very heavily on exports. This spells instant catastrophe in the event of trade war or global economic meltdown. Trump isn’t handling his trade war with China very adroitly; someone else at some point may.

    For another, Chinese are congenitally corrupt. It’s just too damned easy to bribe someone; and this in turn makes it very hard to move goods and money around efficiently.

    For a third, the country is a plutocracy on a scale that makes America look like an exercise in economic egalitarianism. Try looking up the number of billionaires with seats in the Chinese Congress of People’s Deputies; then compare to the US (in which average individual wealth remains many times greater than it is in China.) China is run by the rich. That’s not necessarily a problem; but in the case of China, the disparity lacks an ideological foundation.

    That’s a recipe for trouble. Revolutions notoriously occur when rising expectations are frustrated. The first serious hiccup, and every Chinese peasant, factory worker, and low-level engineer is likely to take to the streets. There’s nothing to say they shouldn’t.

    Now none of this may come true, or China may be able to triumph over any difficulties along these lines. On the other hand, she may not. I wouldn’t put my retirement funds into China bonds.

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    For another, Chinese are congenitally corrupt.
     
    Compared to what or whom?

    China is run by the rich.

     

    And what country isn’t?

    Revolutions notoriously occur when rising expectations are frustrated.

     

    An examples of such an exaggerated claim?
    , @Godfree Roberts
    1. "For one, her economy does rely very heavily on exports"? Far from it! China is below world average in her export dependency, below even Canada. And less than half as dependent as Germany.\\

    2. "Chinese are congenitally corrupt"? Again, the opposite is the case. China is the world's most trusting society and its government is the world's most trusted.

    3. China "is a plutocracy on a scale that makes America look like an exercise in economic egalitarianism"? Far from it. On July 1, 2021, every Chinese will have a home, a job, plenty of food, education, safe streets, health and old age care. On that day there will be more poor, hungry and imprisoned people in America than in China. Not relatively, not per capita. In absolute numbers.

    I suggest putting your retirement funds into Chinese bonds. They're backed by the smartest people with the most honest government and strongest economy on earth.
    , @Joe Levantine
    "For one, her economy does rely very heavily on exports. This spells instant catastrophe in the event of trade war or global economic meltdown. Trump isn’t handling his trade war with China very adroitly; someone else at some point may."

    If trade wars disrupt China's export oriented economy, that could be a blessing in disguise. For any common sense economist from outside the neo-liberal type, the question is why China should keep its workers toiling at miserable wages to be able to export to the develpped world in return for fiat currencies. The four to five hundred million Chinese still living around the poverty line would enjoy a big boost in living standards by gearing China's industrial potential to internal consumption. The Chinese would no more be interested in amassing United States treasuries and could convert these treasuries into physical gold and adopt a gold backed currency which would raise the value of their currency thereby affording much lower real prices for their imported commodities. In such a scenario, the loss of cheap manufactured products in the export markets of China would cause these markets some real inflationary pain.
    As for corruption and plutocracy, the American Empire did not fare any better from the early days of its ascendency and the malaise is pretty much universal.
    , @Bucky
    Interesting, but I’m just not sure.

    America, if we didn’t have the exorbiant privilege of global empire allowing for unlimited import of cheap consumer goods and trillion dollar annual deficits, would quickly sink into anarchy and civil strife. And the danger is that one day the bond market wakes up and demands real interest rates for government debt.

    I would say Indians are probably the most corrupt and inefficient people. The Chinese are known for not being strict followers of the rule of law. Another way to look at it is they aren’t excessively bound by legalistic fine print. This is the sort of corruption which is necessary for efficient functioning, otherwise if you followed every letter the process grinds to a halt.

    The Chinese don’t really seem to have an ideology for revolution. The only ideology would have been western democracy but that has been discredited to them, and Trump is not declaring it. Clinton would have been a greater danger. Tienanmen square is how it could have occurred. That won’t happen anytime soon as things are different.

    America IMO is much more prone for an implosion than anywhere else. We have the divisions of a diverse multi-ethnic empire. We have a financial house of cards which could any day collapse. Most notably, we have the ideology necessary for such a division being promoted by universities and the media.

    All other societies can subsist on poverty levels, but I do not think America as it exists is very functional at lower levels of wealth.
    , @lulu
    Share of exports in China's gross domestic product (GDP) in 2017 is 18.54%.

    2017 China's export break down by region:

    - 48.5%of Chinese exports by value were delivered to fellow Asian countries;
    - 22% were sold to North American importers.
    - 18.9% to in Europe.
    - 4.2% went to Latin America (excluding Mexico) plus the Caribbean with another 4.1% going to Africa.

    US accounts to 18-19% of China's total export in 2017, which translates the export to US accounting about 3.6% of China's GDP. This how much US trade war against China would affect China's economy.

    At the same time don't forget that China imported US$1.841 trillion goods and service from US.


    Source of data: https://www.statista.com/statistics/256591/share-of-chinas-exports-in-gross-domestic-product/
    Sources of data: http://www.worldstopexports.com/chinas-top-import-partners/
    , @lulu
    Bribery is legalized via lobby in US, while in China bribery is deemed as crime. Anyone (incl. companies) caught in bribery will be sentenced to prison plus heavy fines in China.

    GlaxoSmithKline was fined 500 miillion USD for nation-wide bribery in 2014 in China.

    Are you aware that Western mulrinatipnal companies are the biggest sources of bribery? Pfizer, Morgan Stanley, IBM, Walmart, Alcatel-Lucent, Nike, Avon, Simens, Coca Cola, just name a few, all have beeb caught in bribery in China.
    , @lulu
    Guess CNN/NYT/WaPo would not tell you that out of the total 2980 representatives of National People's Congress (NPC) for the 13th NPC in 2018:

    - 468 aka 15.7% are workers (from assembly lines, construction sites, retails, etc.) and peasants, doctors and teachers, etc. from the villages.

    - 438 aka 14.70% are minority representatives, who represent 55 ethnical minorities in China.

    - 742 aka 24.90% are women.

    - 1011 aka 33.93% are party members from village level to the top power echelon; 1% decrease compared last time.

    20.57% all the NPC representatives, are professionals (technicians/engineers/doctors/ teachers/policemen/firefighters, etc.).

    I doubt that you have this wide range of representatives in US congress and senate. Is there any assembly line worker who made it to congress or senate in US?

    MSM probably would not show you who these representatives of NPC really are: https://mbd.baidu.com/newspage/data/landingsuper?context=%7B%22nid%22%3A%22news_11299700714721736381%22%7D&n_type=1&p_from=4. Equally it would not tell you what these representatives would bring in their drafts related to the specific industry/county/village/county/city/province they represent.

    For example, Lei Gongzhu, a village doctor from Hubei province, who wanted to talk about illness-induced poverty issues. Another NPC representative Zhou Shaun, a party member from a remote village in Guizhou province, would like to talk how to improve the peasants' standard of living by growing and selling tea via co-op.

    In comparison, billionaires do not account for 1% of the total NPC. Each of them has just one vote as every worker or peasant or minority representative does. To call China plutocracy just shows how misinformed you are.

    Yes, the rich Chinese are pushing hard to adopt the American (plutocracy) systems in China in order to legalise bribery, to exploit the poor without hinderance, and to steal/strip the national assets without any punishment. They can't realize their "sweet dream" so long CPC is in power. That's why the Western ruling class aka globalists/establishment/deep-state plus MSM are in cabal with rich Chinese to smear and discredit Chinese government with every possible way they can.
    , @kauchai
    LOL! LOL! LOL!

    I wish the empire and the entire western hemisphere would be populated by ignoramus like this guy that parrot their echo chamber media verbatim. With people like him, the empire's demise is assured and accelerated. Keep up the "good" work.
    , @Anon
    Revolutions occur when the wealthiest, and best organized elites decide to overthrow another elite group.

    Conventional histories of the reformation and American, French and Russian revolutions are a joke.
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  13. Giuseppe says:

    Alfred McCoy approaches the question of US global empire from within, not from without. He isn’t objective here, and he’s writing from a neoconservative perspective, or as if he were an asset of the CIA. Which is surely ironic.

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  14. Erebus says:

    McCoy has done a pretty good job here, with the one basic error being his assumption that the world wants/needs a leader, and that China wants/needs to take the role. China has been at considerable pains to disavow that as a goal. Its strategic partnership with Russia really is strategic, and so belies any suggestion that China seeks World Leadership.

    The world’s primary economic engine? Sure, it’s had that role a few times in the past and is already by far the largest economy on a PPP basis. A Hegemon dictating terms to allies and foe alike? Like McCoy points out, China both lacks and shows no signs of developing at least one, but actually a few more, traits that any aspiring Global Hegemon must have in his arsenal.

    America’s tragedy lies in the fact that rather than a having a Statesman wind down the Empire in a dignified and orderly manner, getting the best deal he can from foes and allies as he withdraws the Imperial remit from far flung places, the zeitgeist of the American body politic necessitates that the Court Fool is put forward in his absence. Court Fools can certainly get there, and can even be brilliant, but things won’t necessarily go elegantly.

    Still, America can do much worse than the Court Fool, and almost did. As of now, it looks like he’ll get there, but it’ll be a bumpy ride.

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    America’s tragedy lies in the fact that rather than a having a Statesman wind down the Empire in a dignified and orderly manner, getting the best deal he can from foes and allies as he withdraws the Imperial remit from far flung places, the zeitgeist of the American body politic necessitates that the Court Fool is put forward in his absence. Court Fools can certainly get there, and can even be brilliant, but things won’t necessarily go elegantly.
     
    The problem, of course, is that none of our 'serious' politicians in the West would ever even consider a change of course. Trump was the only one 'foolish' enough to advance that notion. To be sure, I haven't seen much actual evidence of a change of course--at least not at the level of policy. But just maybe Trump's motor mouth will be enough to scare off a sufficient number of leeches--uh, I mean allies--to allow us to go back to being a normal country.
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  15. Anonymous[400] • Disclaimer says:

    Sea level in Alameda, California is lower than it was in 1940.

    Of course, the sea level rise in Sydney Harbor is much more terrifying. As much as an inch in 60 years.

    Praytell, Mr. History Professor, how long do you calculate that rising sea levels will take to “devastate the coastal cities” of Alameda and/or Sydney?

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    Don't confuse us with data. The science is settled!

    Seriously, you have to hand it to the globalists - if your goal is to bring about a world government, "Climate Change" is the perfect bogeyman. It threatens everyone, everywhere, and all of mankind will have to come together to save itself.

    I find it rather excusable if a historian falls for it; he probably just trusts in the integrity of "climate scientists." However, too many people with actual training in the sciences also simply believe this crap and never bother to check out the actual evidence.

    , @HallParvey
    Maybe Sydney Harbor is sinking.
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  16. Anonymous[392] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon
    https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/FINAL-China-Technology-Report-6.18.18-PDF.pdf

    China has non trivial challenges, not the least of which is demographic

    Expect a more modest trade settlement, with less emphasis on overall trade and more on tech. The massive, debt financed Silk Road may not pay off....its not like China nor its trading partners are transportation constrained.

    But they are transportation constrained when oil, gas, and trade flow through straits that the west controls. You obviously have not read Mackinder or Bresinsky.

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  17. Anonymous[317] • Disclaimer says:

    Trump’s stand alone America avoids the increasingly troubled world and destroys the relationship of global partners with deep state objectives.

    Americans don’t want global power; they want their America back, Americans want a peaceful economically stable, fair and just domestic society and a government that responds to the domestic American Public; that is the exact opposite of deep state wants.

    Let China do its thing. But in America pump only domesitic oil and sell it only to Americans. Restore Sam Walmarts promise, to stock Walmart with goods made and produced only in America.

    There is no contest between Xi’s globalism and Trump’s nationalism the two are on a different course, the Deep State globalism may soon be a thing of the past.

    I agree, China d/n need to replicate the Roman rule of law system, bottom up leadership has always been an Eastern method. Chinese investments support two needs China’s investment and the welfare of the communities China invest in. Making communities better has got to be driving the deep state crazy.

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    Not Trump is not withdrawimg from the world. He is bombing it and threatening it and joining forces with Isreal and the Sauds.
    , @Random Smartaleck

    Americans don’t want global power; they want their America back, Americans want a peaceful economically stable, fair and just domestic society and a government that responds to the domestic American Public...
     
    Sums up Make America Great Again/America First quite nicely, at least as envisioned by most Trump supporters.
    , @Jeff Stryker
    China/US comparison

    China does not allow illegal immigrants.

    Do Uighur behave like Pakistanis in UK. They would, given any kind of chance. But do you think they groom young Chinese girls. Or are allowed into positions of government.

    None of you are old enough to remember when Ross Perot warned of globalism in 1994, I am. It was right at the beginning of the Clinton's administration's NAFTA.
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  18. Stalin began the Cold War, with his 1948 blockade of Berlin.
    FDR’s Uncle Joe was the Russian bear.
    With the Cuba crisis the Cold War was over, Chrustjow did not want war, Russian people to this day do not understand how the west ever saw them as a threat, they saw it the other way round, maybe do it again, with the agression by NATO and EU.
    Then, the story about China’s economic expansion reminds me of the, in my opinion, cause of WWI, Great Britain afraid of German economic expansion to the SE.
    Also a railway, from Berlin to Baghdad, to be extended to Basra, through Mosul, at the time the most oil rich area, the railway concession was to be ten miles to each side.
    GB became small Britain because the cost of maintaining the empire became too high, in stead of accepting this there were two world wars.
    Common sense could have prevented an enormous loss of life, and destruction.
    I’m not all sure that this time common sense will prevail, idiots in the USA do anything to rid themselves of Trump, and follow the GB example, it seems to me.
    What these idiots really want I do not not understand, a new world war will really be the last one, no human being will survive.

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    Read the book : Harold Bloom , The American Religion

    " These idiots " maybe are not so idiot . Maybe just what they want , conciously of unconciously , is to fulfill the mesianic prophecies of judeoprotestantism , the prophecies of " hell ,fire and brinstone " , the end of an humanity of sinners and the salvation of the chosen few . Apocalyse now .

    Maybe they are crazy , but not idiot .
    , @jacques sheete
    Pretty good comments there, Sir!

    What these idiots really want I do not not understand...
     
    Go quickly and grab a copy of Douglas Reed's Far and Wide, and read the Forward, and chapters 10, 14 and 40 of Section One, then read all of Section Two, and you will no doubt understand.


    This ambition (and today I think it is apparent) is to set up a World State to which all nations, having ruined each other, shall be enserfed.

    The League of Nations was to my mind a first experiment in that direction and the United Nations is a second one, much more advanced.

    A wandering journalist, I have gone through the thick of these events for many years and have no doubt left that this is the shape of things intended to come. Two groups, alien in all lands and powerful in all lands, chiefly promote that great design. The political explorer finds Soviet Communism and Zionist Nationalism in all countries to be forces powerful behind the scenes, and in sum their separate efforts serve a converging ambition. It is, as I judge, to crush the nations into a flat, brazen servitude between the hammer of revolution and the anvil of gold. The founder of Zionist Nationalism, Theodor Herzl, openly described the method: 'The power of our purse ... the terrible power of the revolutionary proletariat.' It reveals the secret, the great discovery, of politics in our times. Politicians can ever be brought to yield either to the glitter of material reward (perhaps in the shape of votes), or, if that fails, to the threat of agitation and overthrow. Such is the conspirator's road to power, on high and higher to the highest levels.

    -Douglas Reed, Far and Wide, From the forward, (1951)

    https://ia800300.us.archive.org/16/items/FarAndWide/far.pdf

     

    , @Random Smartaleck

    Russian people to this day do not understand how the west ever saw them as a threat, they saw it the other way round, maybe do it again, with the agression by NATO and EU.
     
    You have already answered why we saw them as a threat:

    Stalin began the Cold War, with his 1948 blockade of Berlin.

     

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  19. The great difference, as an African leader said, is that the Chinese do not act as though they are superior beings; they treat Africans as equals. I don’t know if the author of this article realises just how much we in the rest of the world despise American behaviour; the Amerikastani fetish of “exceptionalism” is enough to ensure that given the choice, any normal person would support *anyone* opposed to America. The Chinese don’t have to impose their rule by guns and corporations and puppet rulers like the Amerikastanis do. They just have to be not American, and that is good enough.

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    I don’t know if the author of this article realises just how much we in the rest of the world despise American behaviour...
     
    I'm from the Land of Merkins, and I too, despise Merkin hubris and behavior, and I see both continuously getting worse, especially since both flaws have such poor foundations. Most appear as ignorant as they are arrogant, and there seems to be no cure.
    , @Random Smartaleck

    The great difference, as an African leader said, is that the Chinese do not act as though they are superior beings; they treat Africans as equals.
     
    We will see if that continues when the loans come due and Africans are unable to pay them back.
    , @Anon
    If the Africans think the Chinese believe they are equals then Africans are gullible and dumb.
    , @Peasant
    'The great difference, as an African leader said, is that the Chinese do not act as though they are superior beings; they treat Africans as equals.'

    Aside from the fact that this is how all empires start (start off being freindly with trade etc eventually move in and take over) if blacks are dumb enough to believe (and they surely are) that the people with the worlds oldest civilisation do not view them as savages then they deserve what will come. The chinaman has no love for the blacks (and also no White/colonial guilt) and the comment about how they do not look down on them says more about the Africans inferiority complex vs the west then it does about the Chinese. the Chinese are famously inscrutable.
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  20. @Godfree Roberts
    Sound analysis of America's situation but not of China's.

    Statements like , "Successful imperial transitions driven by the hard power of guns and money also require the soft-power salve of cultural suasion for sustained and successful global dominion....China has nothing comparable". China is not, for one thing, planning a successful imperial transitions driven by the hard power of guns and money. It's expensive and, ultimately, futile, as Professor McCoy observes and it's the Roman way, not the Chinese..

    The Chinese way is to lead by example, not precept or threat: If you rule with regulations and use laws to bring order, the people will avoid punishment but never develop a sense of shame. If you lead them by virtuous example and bring order by assigning appropriate responsibilities then, in addition to developing a sense of shame, they will order themselves harmoniously because human affairs only prosper in harmony with the moral nature of the cosmos. Superiors and inferiors relate to each other like wind and grass: grass must bend when wind blows over it” [Analects].

    But, Prof. McCoy, protests, China has not developed an independent judiciary or the autonomous rules-based order that undergirds the modern international system. If China cannot replicate our Roman system then, he implies, it is bound to fail in its attempt to lead. But this is nonsense, on the face of it.

    Setting aside the fact that the US has consistently refused to abide by almost any autonomous rules based order (including UNCLOS), China is an exemplary participant in others' rules based organizations, including the UN and the WTO, where it far outshines the US for good citizenship.

    Citing China's participation in UNCLOS ignores the fact that, like Britain (Falklands) and Australia*, China reserved her participation on the grounds that Article 298 (Optional exceptions to applicability of Section 2), states that, “a State may, without prejudice to the obligations arising under Section 1 (General Provisions) of Part XV, declare in writing that it does not accept any one or more of the procedures provided for in Section 2 with respect to one or more of the following categories of disputes.” The categories listed include Article 15, the delimitation of the territorial sea between States with opposite or adjacent coasts. This is exactly what China did.  From the very beginning, China declared in writing that it would not participate and not abide by the decision of this arbitral tribunal because this dispute involves territorial sovereignty/historical rights, which cannot be properly taken into account by the abitral tribunal.

    China claims sovereignty over the Paracel Islands and the Spratly Islands dating back at least several hundred years, and Chinese fishermen have also been fishing around these islands for also hundreds of years. These islands have been marked as part of China in various maps. In 1946 after WWII ended and Japan returned Taiwan to China, China sent four military ships, accompanied by an American naval ship, to Taiping Island (the largest island of the Spratly Islands, also known as Itu Aba Island) and several other islands in the South China Sea to take back the control of these islands from Japan (note: islands such as Taiping Island is under the jurisdiction of China’s Taiwan Province). Even textbooks approved by the Indonesian government in the 1940s and 1950s recognized these islands as belonging to China. In 1956, North Vietnam had also declared that the Paracel Islands and the Spratly Islands are historically Chinese territory.

    The arbitral tribunal has five arbitrators. One was recommended by the Philippines. One would be recommended by China. Since China chose not to participate, the other four were chosen by Judge Shunji Yanai of Japan, who was the then president of the International Tribunal of the Law of the Sea (ITLOS). Judge Yanai was once the advisor to Japan’s Prime Minister Shinzo Abe on his plan to amend the Japanese Peace Constitution to allow Japan to engage in non-defensive military operations overseas. China’s position has always been that it is willing to engage in bi-lateral discussions with each country to negotiate an agreeable settlement and to resolve the dispute.
    What China did is completely consistent with UNCLOS and is perfectly legal, but you would not get that impression based on what you read from the American mass media and what you hear from American political leaders. That's why Beijing’s Foreign Ministry simply dismissed the adverse decision as “invalid” and without “binding force.”

    But those are details.

    The real issue is the form of China's leadership: On July 1, 2021, there will be more poor, hungry, homeless and incarcerated people in America (in absolute numbers) than in China. Coincidentally, 800 million urban Chinese will have more money to spend and a longer life expectancy than Americans. President Xi will open the first 21st century (conceived, designed and built) green city, Jingjinji Metropolitan Region of 100 million people, all electric, renewably powered and electronically controlled–and one of its businesses will be selling urban conversion kits, software and hardware to help cities around the world make the leap to sustainability.

    Perhaps more attractive, though less glitzy, will be China's agenda from 2021-2035: making its GINI coefficient the world's best. Gradually, the grass will bend as the wind blows over it.
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    *In March 2002, Foreign Minister Alexander Downer withdrew Australia from the maritime boundary jurisdiction of the International Court of Justice and the International Tribunal for the Law of the Sea because he didn’t dare let any independent umpire determine where the maritime border should be. The government then had the Australian Secret Intelligence Service install listening devices in East Timor’s ministerial offices to eavesdrop on East Timor’s deliberations and put Australia in a vastly superior negotiating position. In effect, Downer, and by implication Australia, one of the richest countries in the world, forced East Timor, the poorest country in Asia, to sign a treaty which stopped them obtaining their fair share of the oil and gas revenues. Some months later, the Secretary of the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade, Ashton Calvert, retired and joined the board of directors of Woodside Petroleum, which was the main financial beneficiary of the ASIS operation; and Downer, who had been responsible for ASIS, worked as a lobbyist for Woodside after leaving parliament in 2008.

    I lack detail, but I believe a new resource treaty between East Timor & Australia has been agreed: I think it has improved E-Timor’s resource position.
    On the down side, I think the whistle-blowers re: the “bugging” are being prosecuted. (Hope I’m not too wildly inaccurate).

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  21. Biff says:
    @Colin Wright
    I think China has some features that could prove to be crippling.

    For one, her economy does rely very heavily on exports. This spells instant catastrophe in the event of trade war or global economic meltdown. Trump isn't handling his trade war with China very adroitly; someone else at some point may.

    For another, Chinese are congenitally corrupt. It's just too damned easy to bribe someone; and this in turn makes it very hard to move goods and money around efficiently.

    For a third, the country is a plutocracy on a scale that makes America look like an exercise in economic egalitarianism. Try looking up the number of billionaires with seats in the Chinese Congress of People's Deputies; then compare to the US (in which average individual wealth remains many times greater than it is in China.) China is run by the rich. That's not necessarily a problem; but in the case of China, the disparity lacks an ideological foundation.

    That's a recipe for trouble. Revolutions notoriously occur when rising expectations are frustrated. The first serious hiccup, and every Chinese peasant, factory worker, and low-level engineer is likely to take to the streets. There's nothing to say they shouldn't.

    Now none of this may come true, or China may be able to triumph over any difficulties along these lines. On the other hand, she may not. I wouldn't put my retirement funds into China bonds.

    For another, Chinese are congenitally corrupt.

    Compared to what or whom?

    China is run by the rich.

    And what country isn’t?

    Revolutions notoriously occur when rising expectations are frustrated.

    An examples of such an exaggerated claim?

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    Revolutions are most likely to occur when a prolonged period of objective economic and social development is followed by a short period of sharp reversal. People then subjectively fear that ground gained with great effort will be quite lost; their mood becomes revolutionary. The evidence from the Dorr Rebellion, the Russian Revolution, and the Egyptian Revolution supports this notion; tentatively, so do data on other civil disturbances. Various statistics—as on rural uprisings, industrial strikes, unemployment, and cost of living—may serve as crude indexes of popular mood. More useful, though less easy to obtain, are direct questions in cross-sectional interviews. The goal of predicting revolution is conceived but not yet born or matured.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Chowning_Davies
    , @jilles dykstra
    Indeed, coups and revolutions most of the time happen when things are getting better, tsarist Russia, the Ottoman empire, are examples.
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  22. Respect says:
    @jilles dykstra
    Stalin began the Cold War, with his 1948 blockade of Berlin.
    FDR's Uncle Joe was the Russian bear.
    With the Cuba crisis the Cold War was over, Chrustjow did not want war, Russian people to this day do not understand how the west ever saw them as a threat, they saw it the other way round, maybe do it again, with the agression by NATO and EU.
    Then, the story about China's economic expansion reminds me of the, in my opinion, cause of WWI, Great Britain afraid of German economic expansion to the SE.
    Also a railway, from Berlin to Baghdad, to be extended to Basra, through Mosul, at the time the most oil rich area, the railway concession was to be ten miles to each side.
    GB became small Britain because the cost of maintaining the empire became too high, in stead of accepting this there were two world wars.
    Common sense could have prevented an enormous loss of life, and destruction.
    I'm not all sure that this time common sense will prevail, idiots in the USA do anything to rid themselves of Trump, and follow the GB example, it seems to me.
    What these idiots really want I do not not understand, a new world war will really be the last one, no human being will survive.

    Read the book : Harold Bloom , The American Religion

    ” These idiots ” maybe are not so idiot . Maybe just what they want , conciously of unconciously , is to fulfill the mesianic prophecies of judeoprotestantism , the prophecies of ” hell ,fire and brinstone ” , the end of an humanity of sinners and the salvation of the chosen few . Apocalyse now .

    Maybe they are crazy , but not idiot .

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  23. @FKA Max
    While automation brings its own set of problems, such as unemployed workers and robot security issues, the progress made so far is unlikely to be reversed, as it suits China’s developmental trajectory of high-end, technologically sophisticated manufacturing. However, existing obstacles mean China’s domestic robotics industry will not catch up with foreign competitors any time soon. Reaching some kind of parity in ten years is the most optimistic assessment. Chinese industrial robots have no real advantage over imports besides price, but a higher failure rate https://www.roboticschina.com/news/201704181034.html means Chinese consumers have much more confidence in foreign-made products. - https://thediplomat.com/2017/05/who-will-satisfy-chinas-thirst-for-industrial-robots/

    China’s robot industry ‘plagued by low quality, overinvestment and too much duplication’

    Recent statistics from the China Robot Industry Alliance (CRIA) suggest that more than 60 per cent of some 22,000 industrial robots made by domestic companies last year were low-end models. [...] Ren Yutong, executive president of the Guangdong Robotics Association, said China lagged far behind developed economies in robot component technology. - https://www.scmp.com/news/china/economy/article/1976825/chinas-robot-industry-plagued-low-quality-overinvestment-and-too

    https://ifr.org/img/uploads/Robot_density_by_country_page_2.jpg

    Source: https://ifr.org/ifr-press-releases/news/robot-density-rises-globally

    All new industries are plagued by low quality, overinvestment and too much duplication. That’s how new industries are born.

    As to a ten year catchup? I’d say five at the outside: the needed IP is scattered amongst hundreds of startups and Beijing will gather them into cooperatives with pooled expertise, maybe as soon as this year.

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  24. @Colin Wright
    '...Unlike their predecessors they aren’t going into the third world with any intention of bringing Christ or Cricket to the natives, or teaching them to speak French and think of themselves as universal citizens of the Empire. Wisely; they’re just there for the loot.'

    Yeah -- but we more or less started out that way. Look up 'dollar diplomacy.' It wasn't until President Wilson that we started injecting morality into every transaction -- and it wasn't until the Cold War that we actually started seeking to determine events globally.

    The same, incidentally, could be said to at least some extent of British colonialism. The East India Company was very frankly in it all for the money, and -- again -- it wasn't until the middle of the nineteenth century that Britain started treating her empire as anything more than a way of making money. Notice the relative willingness with which she had earlier parted with the American colonies -- 'nuts to this; it isn't paying.' It really doesn't seem to have been much of a blow to her self-esteem at all.

    So China now may be in it for a quick buck. It remains to be seen if that's still the case fifty years from now. Who knows what sense of global mission they'll have acquired by then.

    It wasn’t until President Wilson that we started injecting morality into every transaction

    Wrong.

    Albert J. Beveridge’s 1898 “March of the Flag “ is a must read since he’s quite open about how the ruling plutoligarchs viewed others and it rivals Cecil Rhodes’ “Confession of Faith” (1877).

    Here you go, and it’s full of moralizing…

    Shall the American people continue their resistless march toward the commercial supremacy of the world?

    Shall free institutions broaden their blessed reign as the children of liberty wax in strength until the empire of our principles is established over the hearts of all mankind? Have we no mission to perform–no duty to discharge to our fellow-man? Has the Almighty Father endowed us with gifts beyond our deserts, and marked us as the people of His peculiar favor, merely to rot in our own selfishness, as men and nations must who take cowardice for their companion and self for their Deity–as China has, as India has, as Egypt has?

    -Albert J. Beveridge, “March of the Flag,” (16 September 1898) Speech Text

    http://voicesofdemocracy.umd.edu/beveridge-march-of-the-flag-speech-text/

    …we have invited clean young men to shoulder a discredited musket and do bandit’s work under a flag which bandits have been accustomed to fear, not to follow; we have debauched America’s honor and blackened her face before the world. . .

    -Mark Twain, “To the Person Sitting in Darkness,” (1901)

    http://xroads.virginia.edu/~DRBR/sitting.html

    One of the excuses for the American war against the Philippines is that ‘Merka was supposed to “Christianize” and “enlighten” the little brown people in the Philippines, which was pretty hilarious since it had long been “Christianized” to a large extent by the Spanish “Christian” imperialists. In fact, the University of Santo Tomas was established there before the US was a country.

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    'Wrong.

    Albert J. Beveridge’s 1898 “March of the Flag “ is a must read since he’s quite open about how the ruling plutoligarchs viewed others and it rivals Cecil Rhodes’ “Confession of Faith” (1877).

    Here you go, and it’s full of moralizing…'

    It's a matter of degree of course. I'm not asserting that we were frankly and solely motivated by commercial concerns until we woke up one morning in the Spring of 1917 and decided that being global hegemon was where it was at.

    I do think that our relations with the external world up to about World War One tended to be predominantly commercial, albeit with some moral commentary and the odd imperialist eruption (Mexico 1846, the Spanish-American War). Since then, while we've certainly been happy to trade, our actions have tended to be driven more by other motives.

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  25. @Colin Wright
    '...Unlike their predecessors they aren’t going into the third world with any intention of bringing Christ or Cricket to the natives, or teaching them to speak French and think of themselves as universal citizens of the Empire. Wisely; they’re just there for the loot.'

    Yeah -- but we more or less started out that way. Look up 'dollar diplomacy.' It wasn't until President Wilson that we started injecting morality into every transaction -- and it wasn't until the Cold War that we actually started seeking to determine events globally.

    The same, incidentally, could be said to at least some extent of British colonialism. The East India Company was very frankly in it all for the money, and -- again -- it wasn't until the middle of the nineteenth century that Britain started treating her empire as anything more than a way of making money. Notice the relative willingness with which she had earlier parted with the American colonies -- 'nuts to this; it isn't paying.' It really doesn't seem to have been much of a blow to her self-esteem at all.

    So China now may be in it for a quick buck. It remains to be seen if that's still the case fifty years from now. Who knows what sense of global mission they'll have acquired by then.

    I suggest you review China’s 2,000 year track record before making predictions.

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    I agree. The history you refer to is one of a tributary or tribute system, which seems to me far superior to the colonial system developed by the west. We should keep in mind, however, that even the terms "tributary system" and "tribute system" are western inventions to describe these practices, institutions and systems. The Chinese will continue to work towards such a system, in which trade and international relations are loosely networked, the member states are independent and autonomous, and most importantly, benefits are realized by all. The Chinese will expect that the member states will accept and act upon the fact that in the hierarchical order the Chinese occupy the superior position, due to their sheer size and power: cultural, economic, political and military.

    It seems to me that they will have trouble doing a poorer job than the European colonial powers and their extractive model, a model which afforded little or no benefits or respect to the indiginous people in their colonies. One needs only a cursory glance at the projects that China is facilitating in Africa today: building ports, high speed rail systems, highway systems, telecommunications systems, petroleum infrastructure, industrial zones. It makes me wonder why the European powers never helped the Africans develop their nations. Will the Chinese benefit from this investment? Of course! They are not doing it out of an altruistic worldview! They are doing it to benefit their country, but they seem to realize that the best way to realize maximum benefits for themselves is to facilitate healthy local economies and markets of those they help.


    It will be interesting to observe things playing out in the next few decades.


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  26. @Colin Wright
    I think China has some features that could prove to be crippling.

    For one, her economy does rely very heavily on exports. This spells instant catastrophe in the event of trade war or global economic meltdown. Trump isn't handling his trade war with China very adroitly; someone else at some point may.

    For another, Chinese are congenitally corrupt. It's just too damned easy to bribe someone; and this in turn makes it very hard to move goods and money around efficiently.

    For a third, the country is a plutocracy on a scale that makes America look like an exercise in economic egalitarianism. Try looking up the number of billionaires with seats in the Chinese Congress of People's Deputies; then compare to the US (in which average individual wealth remains many times greater than it is in China.) China is run by the rich. That's not necessarily a problem; but in the case of China, the disparity lacks an ideological foundation.

    That's a recipe for trouble. Revolutions notoriously occur when rising expectations are frustrated. The first serious hiccup, and every Chinese peasant, factory worker, and low-level engineer is likely to take to the streets. There's nothing to say they shouldn't.

    Now none of this may come true, or China may be able to triumph over any difficulties along these lines. On the other hand, she may not. I wouldn't put my retirement funds into China bonds.

    1. “For one, her economy does rely very heavily on exports”? Far from it! China is below world average in her export dependency, below even Canada. And less than half as dependent as Germany.\\

    2. “Chinese are congenitally corrupt”? Again, the opposite is the case. China is the world’s most trusting society and its government is the world’s most trusted.

    3. China “is a plutocracy on a scale that makes America look like an exercise in economic egalitarianism”? Far from it. On July 1, 2021, every Chinese will have a home, a job, plenty of food, education, safe streets, health and old age care. On that day there will be more poor, hungry and imprisoned people in America than in China. Not relatively, not per capita. In absolute numbers.

    I suggest putting your retirement funds into Chinese bonds. They’re backed by the smartest people with the most honest government and strongest economy on earth.

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    1. “For one, her economy does rely very heavily on exports”? Far from it! China is below world average in her export dependency, below even Canada. And less than half as dependent as Germany.
     
    I was surprised that Germany exported more than twice as much as China. But you are right. Some data from the World Bank:

    Country Year Exports (% GDP)
    Canada 2017 30.9 %
    China 2017 19.8 %
    Japan 2016 16.1 %
    Germany 2017 47.2 %
    UK 2017 30.5 %


    https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NE.EXP.GNFS.ZS
    (The page has data you can download.)

    I was stunned that Germany exported 47.2 percent of her GDP, as opposed to 19.8 percent for China. Almost as surprising (to me) is that the UK sends abroad about as much as Canada, and this means Brexit will be tough.

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  27. @Biff

    But, Prof. McCoy, protests, China has not developed an independent judiciary or the autonomous rules-based order that undergirds the modern international system. If China cannot replicate our Roman system then, he implies, it is bound to fail in its attempt to lead. But this is nonsense, on the face of it.
     
    That was pretty much my take on the essay as well. I’ve always enjoyed Alfred McCoy’s analysis’ but he does look at the world through a one demtional prizm from the West.

    Alfred McCoy’s analysis’

    If you meant to put “analysis” in quotation marks, you’d have been correct. The title hinted that this would be a clueless piece and I couldn’t push myself to read beyond this cornball canard,

    After a short political apprenticeship as a conspiracy advocate, Donald Trump took office in 2017 as an ardent America First nationalist…

    Anyone who sneers at the concept of conspiracies in that way is only showing how brainwashed he is and to call Trump an “ardent America First nationalist” reveals a cringe-worthy naivete that is too pathetic to laugh at.

    I’m only here to read and respond to the comments. The article starts out as a simple minded joke.

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  28. Anonymous[141] • Disclaimer says:
    @Godfree Roberts
    Sound analysis of America's situation but not of China's.

    Statements like , "Successful imperial transitions driven by the hard power of guns and money also require the soft-power salve of cultural suasion for sustained and successful global dominion....China has nothing comparable". China is not, for one thing, planning a successful imperial transitions driven by the hard power of guns and money. It's expensive and, ultimately, futile, as Professor McCoy observes and it's the Roman way, not the Chinese..

    The Chinese way is to lead by example, not precept or threat: If you rule with regulations and use laws to bring order, the people will avoid punishment but never develop a sense of shame. If you lead them by virtuous example and bring order by assigning appropriate responsibilities then, in addition to developing a sense of shame, they will order themselves harmoniously because human affairs only prosper in harmony with the moral nature of the cosmos. Superiors and inferiors relate to each other like wind and grass: grass must bend when wind blows over it” [Analects].

    But, Prof. McCoy, protests, China has not developed an independent judiciary or the autonomous rules-based order that undergirds the modern international system. If China cannot replicate our Roman system then, he implies, it is bound to fail in its attempt to lead. But this is nonsense, on the face of it.

    Setting aside the fact that the US has consistently refused to abide by almost any autonomous rules based order (including UNCLOS), China is an exemplary participant in others' rules based organizations, including the UN and the WTO, where it far outshines the US for good citizenship.

    Citing China's participation in UNCLOS ignores the fact that, like Britain (Falklands) and Australia*, China reserved her participation on the grounds that Article 298 (Optional exceptions to applicability of Section 2), states that, “a State may, without prejudice to the obligations arising under Section 1 (General Provisions) of Part XV, declare in writing that it does not accept any one or more of the procedures provided for in Section 2 with respect to one or more of the following categories of disputes.” The categories listed include Article 15, the delimitation of the territorial sea between States with opposite or adjacent coasts. This is exactly what China did.  From the very beginning, China declared in writing that it would not participate and not abide by the decision of this arbitral tribunal because this dispute involves territorial sovereignty/historical rights, which cannot be properly taken into account by the abitral tribunal.

    China claims sovereignty over the Paracel Islands and the Spratly Islands dating back at least several hundred years, and Chinese fishermen have also been fishing around these islands for also hundreds of years. These islands have been marked as part of China in various maps. In 1946 after WWII ended and Japan returned Taiwan to China, China sent four military ships, accompanied by an American naval ship, to Taiping Island (the largest island of the Spratly Islands, also known as Itu Aba Island) and several other islands in the South China Sea to take back the control of these islands from Japan (note: islands such as Taiping Island is under the jurisdiction of China’s Taiwan Province). Even textbooks approved by the Indonesian government in the 1940s and 1950s recognized these islands as belonging to China. In 1956, North Vietnam had also declared that the Paracel Islands and the Spratly Islands are historically Chinese territory.

    The arbitral tribunal has five arbitrators. One was recommended by the Philippines. One would be recommended by China. Since China chose not to participate, the other four were chosen by Judge Shunji Yanai of Japan, who was the then president of the International Tribunal of the Law of the Sea (ITLOS). Judge Yanai was once the advisor to Japan’s Prime Minister Shinzo Abe on his plan to amend the Japanese Peace Constitution to allow Japan to engage in non-defensive military operations overseas. China’s position has always been that it is willing to engage in bi-lateral discussions with each country to negotiate an agreeable settlement and to resolve the dispute.
    What China did is completely consistent with UNCLOS and is perfectly legal, but you would not get that impression based on what you read from the American mass media and what you hear from American political leaders. That's why Beijing’s Foreign Ministry simply dismissed the adverse decision as “invalid” and without “binding force.”

    But those are details.

    The real issue is the form of China's leadership: On July 1, 2021, there will be more poor, hungry, homeless and incarcerated people in America (in absolute numbers) than in China. Coincidentally, 800 million urban Chinese will have more money to spend and a longer life expectancy than Americans. President Xi will open the first 21st century (conceived, designed and built) green city, Jingjinji Metropolitan Region of 100 million people, all electric, renewably powered and electronically controlled–and one of its businesses will be selling urban conversion kits, software and hardware to help cities around the world make the leap to sustainability.

    Perhaps more attractive, though less glitzy, will be China's agenda from 2021-2035: making its GINI coefficient the world's best. Gradually, the grass will bend as the wind blows over it.
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    *In March 2002, Foreign Minister Alexander Downer withdrew Australia from the maritime boundary jurisdiction of the International Court of Justice and the International Tribunal for the Law of the Sea because he didn’t dare let any independent umpire determine where the maritime border should be. The government then had the Australian Secret Intelligence Service install listening devices in East Timor’s ministerial offices to eavesdrop on East Timor’s deliberations and put Australia in a vastly superior negotiating position. In effect, Downer, and by implication Australia, one of the richest countries in the world, forced East Timor, the poorest country in Asia, to sign a treaty which stopped them obtaining their fair share of the oil and gas revenues. Some months later, the Secretary of the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade, Ashton Calvert, retired and joined the board of directors of Woodside Petroleum, which was the main financial beneficiary of the ASIS operation; and Downer, who had been responsible for ASIS, worked as a lobbyist for Woodside after leaving parliament in 2008.

    Foreign Minister Alexander Downer — right, this guy …

    On 10 May 2016, according to The New York Times, Downer met with George Papadopoulos in London and information from this meeting caused the FBI to open a counterintelligence investigation into Russia’s attempts to disrupt the election and whether there was any involvement by Donald Trump’s associates

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Downer

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  29. Anonymous[141] • Disclaimer says:
    @Biff

    For another, Chinese are congenitally corrupt.
     
    Compared to what or whom?

    China is run by the rich.

     

    And what country isn’t?

    Revolutions notoriously occur when rising expectations are frustrated.

     

    An examples of such an exaggerated claim?

    Revolutions are most likely to occur when a prolonged period of objective economic and social development is followed by a short period of sharp reversal. People then subjectively fear that ground gained with great effort will be quite lost; their mood becomes revolutionary. The evidence from the Dorr Rebellion, the Russian Revolution, and the Egyptian Revolution supports this notion; tentatively, so do data on other civil disturbances. Various statistics—as on rural uprisings, industrial strikes, unemployment, and cost of living—may serve as crude indexes of popular mood. More useful, though less easy to obtain, are direct questions in cross-sectional interviews. The goal of predicting revolution is conceived but not yet born or matured.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Chowning_Davies

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  30. @jilles dykstra
    Stalin began the Cold War, with his 1948 blockade of Berlin.
    FDR's Uncle Joe was the Russian bear.
    With the Cuba crisis the Cold War was over, Chrustjow did not want war, Russian people to this day do not understand how the west ever saw them as a threat, they saw it the other way round, maybe do it again, with the agression by NATO and EU.
    Then, the story about China's economic expansion reminds me of the, in my opinion, cause of WWI, Great Britain afraid of German economic expansion to the SE.
    Also a railway, from Berlin to Baghdad, to be extended to Basra, through Mosul, at the time the most oil rich area, the railway concession was to be ten miles to each side.
    GB became small Britain because the cost of maintaining the empire became too high, in stead of accepting this there were two world wars.
    Common sense could have prevented an enormous loss of life, and destruction.
    I'm not all sure that this time common sense will prevail, idiots in the USA do anything to rid themselves of Trump, and follow the GB example, it seems to me.
    What these idiots really want I do not not understand, a new world war will really be the last one, no human being will survive.

    Pretty good comments there, Sir!

    What these idiots really want I do not not understand…

    Go quickly and grab a copy of Douglas Reed’s Far and Wide, and read the Forward, and chapters 10, 14 and 40 of Section One, then read all of Section Two, and you will no doubt understand.

    This ambition (and today I think it is apparent) is to set up a World State to which all nations, having ruined each other, shall be enserfed.

    The League of Nations was to my mind a first experiment in that direction and the United Nations is a second one, much more advanced.

    A wandering journalist, I have gone through the thick of these events for many years and have no doubt left that this is the shape of things intended to come. Two groups, alien in all lands and powerful in all lands, chiefly promote that great design. The political explorer finds Soviet Communism and Zionist Nationalism in all countries to be forces powerful behind the scenes, and in sum their separate efforts serve a converging ambition. It is, as I judge, to crush the nations into a flat, brazen servitude between the hammer of revolution and the anvil of gold. The founder of Zionist Nationalism, Theodor Herzl, openly described the method: ‘The power of our purse … the terrible power of the revolutionary proletariat.’ It reveals the secret, the great discovery, of politics in our times. Politicians can ever be brought to yield either to the glitter of material reward (perhaps in the shape of votes), or, if that fails, to the threat of agitation and overthrow. Such is the conspirator’s road to power, on high and higher to the highest levels.

    -Douglas Reed, Far and Wide, From the forward, (1951)

    https://ia800300.us.archive.org/16/items/FarAndWide/far.pdf

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  31. @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist
    The great difference, as an African leader said, is that the Chinese do not act as though they are superior beings; they treat Africans as equals. I don't know if the author of this article realises just how much we in the rest of the world despise American behaviour; the Amerikastani fetish of "exceptionalism" is enough to ensure that given the choice, any normal person would support *anyone* opposed to America. The Chinese don't have to impose their rule by guns and corporations and puppet rulers like the Amerikastanis do. They just have to be not American, and that is good enough.

    I don’t know if the author of this article realises just how much we in the rest of the world despise American behaviour…

    I’m from the Land of Merkins, and I too, despise Merkin hubris and behavior, and I see both continuously getting worse, especially since both flaws have such poor foundations. Most appear as ignorant as they are arrogant, and there seems to be no cure.

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  32. @Biff

    For another, Chinese are congenitally corrupt.
     
    Compared to what or whom?

    China is run by the rich.

     

    And what country isn’t?

    Revolutions notoriously occur when rising expectations are frustrated.

     

    An examples of such an exaggerated claim?

    Indeed, coups and revolutions most of the time happen when things are getting better, tsarist Russia, the Ottoman empire, are examples.

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    '...Indeed, coups and revolutions most of the time happen when things are getting better, tsarist Russia, the Ottoman empire, are examples...'

    Black unrest in the Sixties comes to mind as well. They'd been led to believe that -- magically -- they were all going to become equal and start living the life whites led in their imagination. When it didn't happen, there was rioting coast to coast.

    People most generally revolt, not because of poverty or oppression per se, but when rising expectations aren't met. There can be other causes as well, of course -- just a large cohort of young people can do it -- but unmet expectations are a common spark.

    Then too, the status quo has to have an ideological underpinning. I recall reading of some late medieval peasant revolt. The king was able to subdue it simply by riding alone into the crowd. He was God's anointed, and it was unthinkable to defy him. The peasants literally fell to their knees and started begging for forgiveness.

    We have the shibboleth of elections. If someone won the vote, their right to rule is unquestionable. It's actually not much less arbitrary than the divine right of kings, but we accept it, and so it works.

    Can the plutocrats who rule China call on anything like that? What is the overpowering justification for their authority? When the going gets rocky, what happens? Recall here our Great Depression. Rough as it got, our faith in the democratic process was sufficient to pull us through without social collapse. Does China have anything like as strong an ideological underpinning?
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  33. A more perfect expression of Globaloney could not have been written. China has grown rich, true, but largely due to the stupidity and greed of the American and European financial class. China is never going to dominate the world. Ask any well-educated Chinese businessman. They know it is a corrupt and fragile dictatorship. Trump is absolutely right to discard the worn out structures of the post-WWII world.

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    Oh dear me, somebody's toes must be really hurting! It seems that you'll just have to get used to it used to it.
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  34. sb says:
    @Godfree Roberts
    Sound analysis of America's situation but not of China's.

    Statements like , "Successful imperial transitions driven by the hard power of guns and money also require the soft-power salve of cultural suasion for sustained and successful global dominion....China has nothing comparable". China is not, for one thing, planning a successful imperial transitions driven by the hard power of guns and money. It's expensive and, ultimately, futile, as Professor McCoy observes and it's the Roman way, not the Chinese..

    The Chinese way is to lead by example, not precept or threat: If you rule with regulations and use laws to bring order, the people will avoid punishment but never develop a sense of shame. If you lead them by virtuous example and bring order by assigning appropriate responsibilities then, in addition to developing a sense of shame, they will order themselves harmoniously because human affairs only prosper in harmony with the moral nature of the cosmos. Superiors and inferiors relate to each other like wind and grass: grass must bend when wind blows over it” [Analects].

    But, Prof. McCoy, protests, China has not developed an independent judiciary or the autonomous rules-based order that undergirds the modern international system. If China cannot replicate our Roman system then, he implies, it is bound to fail in its attempt to lead. But this is nonsense, on the face of it.

    Setting aside the fact that the US has consistently refused to abide by almost any autonomous rules based order (including UNCLOS), China is an exemplary participant in others' rules based organizations, including the UN and the WTO, where it far outshines the US for good citizenship.

    Citing China's participation in UNCLOS ignores the fact that, like Britain (Falklands) and Australia*, China reserved her participation on the grounds that Article 298 (Optional exceptions to applicability of Section 2), states that, “a State may, without prejudice to the obligations arising under Section 1 (General Provisions) of Part XV, declare in writing that it does not accept any one or more of the procedures provided for in Section 2 with respect to one or more of the following categories of disputes.” The categories listed include Article 15, the delimitation of the territorial sea between States with opposite or adjacent coasts. This is exactly what China did.  From the very beginning, China declared in writing that it would not participate and not abide by the decision of this arbitral tribunal because this dispute involves territorial sovereignty/historical rights, which cannot be properly taken into account by the abitral tribunal.

    China claims sovereignty over the Paracel Islands and the Spratly Islands dating back at least several hundred years, and Chinese fishermen have also been fishing around these islands for also hundreds of years. These islands have been marked as part of China in various maps. In 1946 after WWII ended and Japan returned Taiwan to China, China sent four military ships, accompanied by an American naval ship, to Taiping Island (the largest island of the Spratly Islands, also known as Itu Aba Island) and several other islands in the South China Sea to take back the control of these islands from Japan (note: islands such as Taiping Island is under the jurisdiction of China’s Taiwan Province). Even textbooks approved by the Indonesian government in the 1940s and 1950s recognized these islands as belonging to China. In 1956, North Vietnam had also declared that the Paracel Islands and the Spratly Islands are historically Chinese territory.

    The arbitral tribunal has five arbitrators. One was recommended by the Philippines. One would be recommended by China. Since China chose not to participate, the other four were chosen by Judge Shunji Yanai of Japan, who was the then president of the International Tribunal of the Law of the Sea (ITLOS). Judge Yanai was once the advisor to Japan’s Prime Minister Shinzo Abe on his plan to amend the Japanese Peace Constitution to allow Japan to engage in non-defensive military operations overseas. China’s position has always been that it is willing to engage in bi-lateral discussions with each country to negotiate an agreeable settlement and to resolve the dispute.
    What China did is completely consistent with UNCLOS and is perfectly legal, but you would not get that impression based on what you read from the American mass media and what you hear from American political leaders. That's why Beijing’s Foreign Ministry simply dismissed the adverse decision as “invalid” and without “binding force.”

    But those are details.

    The real issue is the form of China's leadership: On July 1, 2021, there will be more poor, hungry, homeless and incarcerated people in America (in absolute numbers) than in China. Coincidentally, 800 million urban Chinese will have more money to spend and a longer life expectancy than Americans. President Xi will open the first 21st century (conceived, designed and built) green city, Jingjinji Metropolitan Region of 100 million people, all electric, renewably powered and electronically controlled–and one of its businesses will be selling urban conversion kits, software and hardware to help cities around the world make the leap to sustainability.

    Perhaps more attractive, though less glitzy, will be China's agenda from 2021-2035: making its GINI coefficient the world's best. Gradually, the grass will bend as the wind blows over it.
    ____________________________________________

    *In March 2002, Foreign Minister Alexander Downer withdrew Australia from the maritime boundary jurisdiction of the International Court of Justice and the International Tribunal for the Law of the Sea because he didn’t dare let any independent umpire determine where the maritime border should be. The government then had the Australian Secret Intelligence Service install listening devices in East Timor’s ministerial offices to eavesdrop on East Timor’s deliberations and put Australia in a vastly superior negotiating position. In effect, Downer, and by implication Australia, one of the richest countries in the world, forced East Timor, the poorest country in Asia, to sign a treaty which stopped them obtaining their fair share of the oil and gas revenues. Some months later, the Secretary of the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade, Ashton Calvert, retired and joined the board of directors of Woodside Petroleum, which was the main financial beneficiary of the ASIS operation; and Downer, who had been responsible for ASIS, worked as a lobbyist for Woodside after leaving parliament in 2008.

    I suppose I should be shocked but isn’t this , what all countries who can,do?
    Isn’ t it called intelligence gathering ?

    OTOH would there even be an East Timor state if it wasn’t for Australia ?

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    would there even be an East Timor state if it wasn’t for Australia ?
     
    ET lost ONE THIRD of its sons/daughters during the fukusA[ustralia] abetted invasion by Indonesia.
    Proportionally wise, this is even worse than the Cambodia/Laos genocides and the 1965 Indon bloodbath.

    You think ET should be grateful to fukusA ???

    P.S.
    Indon shock troops used genocide and mass rape to break ET resistance spirit, yet the brave ET resistance taunted the Indon army as 'impotent invaders'.

    This is how Suharto's buddies in fukusA mocked ET's defiance...
    'If the Indon are so impotent how do they manage to rape so many ET ladies, sounds like fun' !

    The [email protected]#$%^!
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  35. @Colin Wright
    I think China has some features that could prove to be crippling.

    For one, her economy does rely very heavily on exports. This spells instant catastrophe in the event of trade war or global economic meltdown. Trump isn't handling his trade war with China very adroitly; someone else at some point may.

    For another, Chinese are congenitally corrupt. It's just too damned easy to bribe someone; and this in turn makes it very hard to move goods and money around efficiently.

    For a third, the country is a plutocracy on a scale that makes America look like an exercise in economic egalitarianism. Try looking up the number of billionaires with seats in the Chinese Congress of People's Deputies; then compare to the US (in which average individual wealth remains many times greater than it is in China.) China is run by the rich. That's not necessarily a problem; but in the case of China, the disparity lacks an ideological foundation.

    That's a recipe for trouble. Revolutions notoriously occur when rising expectations are frustrated. The first serious hiccup, and every Chinese peasant, factory worker, and low-level engineer is likely to take to the streets. There's nothing to say they shouldn't.

    Now none of this may come true, or China may be able to triumph over any difficulties along these lines. On the other hand, she may not. I wouldn't put my retirement funds into China bonds.

    “For one, her economy does rely very heavily on exports. This spells instant catastrophe in the event of trade war or global economic meltdown. Trump isn’t handling his trade war with China very adroitly; someone else at some point may.”

    If trade wars disrupt China’s export oriented economy, that could be a blessing in disguise. For any common sense economist from outside the neo-liberal type, the question is why China should keep its workers toiling at miserable wages to be able to export to the develpped world in return for fiat currencies. The four to five hundred million Chinese still living around the poverty line would enjoy a big boost in living standards by gearing China’s industrial potential to internal consumption. The Chinese would no more be interested in amassing United States treasuries and could convert these treasuries into physical gold and adopt a gold backed currency which would raise the value of their currency thereby affording much lower real prices for their imported commodities. In such a scenario, the loss of cheap manufactured products in the export markets of China would cause these markets some real inflationary pain.
    As for corruption and plutocracy, the American Empire did not fare any better from the early days of its ascendency and the malaise is pretty much universal.

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    just checked...US and China each have poverty rates of 13.5%
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  36. With all its internal weaknesses, US is virtually unstoppable, now & in near future. It will probably decay due to ethnic/racial disintegration, but not so quickly.

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/268173/countries-with-the-largest-gross-domestic-product-gdp/

    GDP in trillions $

    [MORE]

    USA- 20
    China-12
    Japan-5
    Germany-3.5
    France-2.5
    ..
    Russia-1.5

    Military expenditures:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures

    …..
    Billions of $

    USA-610
    China-230
    Saudi Arabia-69
    Russia-66
    India-63
    France-57
    UK-47

    Universities:

    https://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings-articles/world-university-rankings/top-universities-world-2018

    1. Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT)
    2. Stanford University
    3. Harvard University
    4. California Institute of Technology (Caltech)
    5. University of Cambridge

    Among 100, US got 61, and other 21 are Anglospheroid (UK, Canada, Australia).

    Science (see especially h-index):

    https://www.scimagojr.com/countryrank.php

    H-index

    USA 2077
    China 712
    UK 1281
    Germany 1131
    Russia 503

    Gold reserves in metric tons

    https://www.relbanks.com/rankings/world-gold-reserves

    USA 8,133
    Germany 3,370
    IMF 2,814

    Russia 1,944
    China 1,843
    ..

    World Bank (WB)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Bank

    Voting power:

    USA (15.85%)
    Japan (6.84%)
    China (4.42%)
    Germany (4.00%)
    Britain (3.75%)
    France (3.75%),
    India (2.91%)
    Russia (2.77%)
    Saudi Arabia (2.77%)
    Italy (2.64%)

    International monetary fond (IMF)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Monetary_Fund

    Voting power:

    USA 16.73%
    Japan 6.23%
    China 6.16%
    Germany 5.39%
    France 4.09%
    Britain 4.09%
    Italy 3.06%
    India 2.67%
    Russia 2.63%
    Brazil 2.25%
    Canada 2.25% …

    Adding global culture & entertainment, and the fact that Europe, Anglosphere & Japan are US allies, while Saudi Arabia & other oilies, as well as most of Latin America, are virtually appendages- I don’t see how US can be replaced in next few decades.

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    You yankees , you know the price of everything , and the value of nothing .

    Keep your fake figures for yourselves . You are very tiring , always shouting that you are Number 1 in the world , very tiring . The world is tired of you .
    , @peterAUS

    With all its internal weaknesses, US is virtually unstoppable, now & in near future.

     

    Yup.

    It will probably decay due to ethnic/racial disintegration, but not so quickly.
     
    I'd reprhrase into

    It will probably decay due to several issues, but not so quickly.
     
    but, that's it.
    , @Biff

    Gold reserves in metric tons

    https://www.relbanks.com/rankings/world-gold-reserves

    USA 8,133
    Germany 3,370
    IMF 2,814

    Russia 1,944
    China 1,843
     
    The Fed refuses to be audited, so I can only assume 8’133 is made up.
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  37. George says:

    The article is a waste of effort reading, so I didn’t. I searched on the word war and it seems except for a recent ‘trade war’ the last real war was WWII. There is a mention of the cold war. For the last 2 decades, the US has had one national purpose the Forever War, I don’t see any point in discussing the current situation without mentioning the current multi generational war.

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  38. Bucky says:

    This analysis is highly flawed, but it is also salient in parts. The best part is in noting that the current order of human rights dogma, Hollywood propaganda, etc, all serve to advance American hegemon.

    China can’t dominate the globe, however. That is because China is too threatened on its borders. The United States in contrast is not.

    What is missing is the analysis as to why China is such a viable player. And that is because of its people. The Han Chinese are a productive and low-crime people. Compare to other regions, such as the Islamic world, or the African world, or the Hindu world, the Chinese, man for man, are more productive, they waste less time on trivialities, and they do anti-social acts much less.

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  39. Jason Liu says:

    Even the most rabid Chinese nationalists don’t want hegemony. What China wants is to be left alone, for the most part, and not be constantly pressured to accept western values/liberal democracy.

    China’s largest problems right now are its aging demographics, its poor understanding of soft power, and complete inability to make new friends. It’s like a nouveau riche kid who doesn’t know how to act around other people. Chinese leadership is still stuck in the “throw money at everything” mode, using economic deals and sharp power to secure diplomatic ties. That’s just not enough, and gives China a negative, hyper-materialistic image. More work needs to be done on ideological and cultural ties. I have no patience for any fake nationalist who hates our neighbors and claims that China will become great through money and might alone, without any support or friendship from other Asian countries.

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    Well, hegemony would be necessary if just for basic security. The United States has the problem of constantly seeking out some adversary to pit it up against, and China fulfills that role quite well. In a racist way, the Chinese are the perfect foils for “diversity is our strength.”
    , @DB Cooper
    China has good relations with most countries and most of its neighbors. China just doesn't form ally with other countries. It is not in the style of China's statecraft. It is America that acts like a kid in international politics. America behavior in global politics is very high school. It likes to form gangs and bully other countries based on this and that reason. It likes to be popular and thinks that any country not in its gang is its enemy. It likes to pick fight with other countries and beat up the smaller ones that does not show sufficient deference. From what I observe China foreign policy statecraft is very mature and consistent.

    What kind of nonsense is China's complete inability to make new friends? China does have some troublesome neighbors, like Japan, Vietnam and India and China has manage them quite well. What neighbors China hate?

    , @lulu
    No mention how Western MSM has been using mis/disinformation and boldfaced lies to build up this negative, hyper-materialistic image of China? You are not serious. CNN/BBC/NYT/WaPo plus US-tax-payer-money funded propaganda machine such as Voice of America/Radio Asia would "sue" you for underestimating their greatcontribution in this decade long smearing campaign.
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  40. Yee says:

    The West’s prediction of China has been wrong so many times, it would at least imply the model or method they’re using is wrong.

    I don’t understand why they bother keep writing more…

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  41. Bucky says:
    @Colin Wright
    I think China has some features that could prove to be crippling.

    For one, her economy does rely very heavily on exports. This spells instant catastrophe in the event of trade war or global economic meltdown. Trump isn't handling his trade war with China very adroitly; someone else at some point may.

    For another, Chinese are congenitally corrupt. It's just too damned easy to bribe someone; and this in turn makes it very hard to move goods and money around efficiently.

    For a third, the country is a plutocracy on a scale that makes America look like an exercise in economic egalitarianism. Try looking up the number of billionaires with seats in the Chinese Congress of People's Deputies; then compare to the US (in which average individual wealth remains many times greater than it is in China.) China is run by the rich. That's not necessarily a problem; but in the case of China, the disparity lacks an ideological foundation.

    That's a recipe for trouble. Revolutions notoriously occur when rising expectations are frustrated. The first serious hiccup, and every Chinese peasant, factory worker, and low-level engineer is likely to take to the streets. There's nothing to say they shouldn't.

    Now none of this may come true, or China may be able to triumph over any difficulties along these lines. On the other hand, she may not. I wouldn't put my retirement funds into China bonds.

    Interesting, but I’m just not sure.

    America, if we didn’t have the exorbiant privilege of global empire allowing for unlimited import of cheap consumer goods and trillion dollar annual deficits, would quickly sink into anarchy and civil strife. And the danger is that one day the bond market wakes up and demands real interest rates for government debt.

    I would say Indians are probably the most corrupt and inefficient people. The Chinese are known for not being strict followers of the rule of law. Another way to look at it is they aren’t excessively bound by legalistic fine print. This is the sort of corruption which is necessary for efficient functioning, otherwise if you followed every letter the process grinds to a halt.

    The Chinese don’t really seem to have an ideology for revolution. The only ideology would have been western democracy but that has been discredited to them, and Trump is not declaring it. Clinton would have been a greater danger. Tienanmen square is how it could have occurred. That won’t happen anytime soon as things are different.

    America IMO is much more prone for an implosion than anywhere else. We have the divisions of a diverse multi-ethnic empire. We have a financial house of cards which could any day collapse. Most notably, we have the ideology necessary for such a division being promoted by universities and the media.

    All other societies can subsist on poverty levels, but I do not think America as it exists is very functional at lower levels of wealth.

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  42. Anonymous[345] • Disclaimer says:
    @Godfree Roberts
    Sound analysis of America's situation but not of China's.

    Statements like , "Successful imperial transitions driven by the hard power of guns and money also require the soft-power salve of cultural suasion for sustained and successful global dominion....China has nothing comparable". China is not, for one thing, planning a successful imperial transitions driven by the hard power of guns and money. It's expensive and, ultimately, futile, as Professor McCoy observes and it's the Roman way, not the Chinese..

    The Chinese way is to lead by example, not precept or threat: If you rule with regulations and use laws to bring order, the people will avoid punishment but never develop a sense of shame. If you lead them by virtuous example and bring order by assigning appropriate responsibilities then, in addition to developing a sense of shame, they will order themselves harmoniously because human affairs only prosper in harmony with the moral nature of the cosmos. Superiors and inferiors relate to each other like wind and grass: grass must bend when wind blows over it” [Analects].

    But, Prof. McCoy, protests, China has not developed an independent judiciary or the autonomous rules-based order that undergirds the modern international system. If China cannot replicate our Roman system then, he implies, it is bound to fail in its attempt to lead. But this is nonsense, on the face of it.

    Setting aside the fact that the US has consistently refused to abide by almost any autonomous rules based order (including UNCLOS), China is an exemplary participant in others' rules based organizations, including the UN and the WTO, where it far outshines the US for good citizenship.

    Citing China's participation in UNCLOS ignores the fact that, like Britain (Falklands) and Australia*, China reserved her participation on the grounds that Article 298 (Optional exceptions to applicability of Section 2), states that, “a State may, without prejudice to the obligations arising under Section 1 (General Provisions) of Part XV, declare in writing that it does not accept any one or more of the procedures provided for in Section 2 with respect to one or more of the following categories of disputes.” The categories listed include Article 15, the delimitation of the territorial sea between States with opposite or adjacent coasts. This is exactly what China did.  From the very beginning, China declared in writing that it would not participate and not abide by the decision of this arbitral tribunal because this dispute involves territorial sovereignty/historical rights, which cannot be properly taken into account by the abitral tribunal.

    China claims sovereignty over the Paracel Islands and the Spratly Islands dating back at least several hundred years, and Chinese fishermen have also been fishing around these islands for also hundreds of years. These islands have been marked as part of China in various maps. In 1946 after WWII ended and Japan returned Taiwan to China, China sent four military ships, accompanied by an American naval ship, to Taiping Island (the largest island of the Spratly Islands, also known as Itu Aba Island) and several other islands in the South China Sea to take back the control of these islands from Japan (note: islands such as Taiping Island is under the jurisdiction of China’s Taiwan Province). Even textbooks approved by the Indonesian government in the 1940s and 1950s recognized these islands as belonging to China. In 1956, North Vietnam had also declared that the Paracel Islands and the Spratly Islands are historically Chinese territory.

    The arbitral tribunal has five arbitrators. One was recommended by the Philippines. One would be recommended by China. Since China chose not to participate, the other four were chosen by Judge Shunji Yanai of Japan, who was the then president of the International Tribunal of the Law of the Sea (ITLOS). Judge Yanai was once the advisor to Japan’s Prime Minister Shinzo Abe on his plan to amend the Japanese Peace Constitution to allow Japan to engage in non-defensive military operations overseas. China’s position has always been that it is willing to engage in bi-lateral discussions with each country to negotiate an agreeable settlement and to resolve the dispute.
    What China did is completely consistent with UNCLOS and is perfectly legal, but you would not get that impression based on what you read from the American mass media and what you hear from American political leaders. That's why Beijing’s Foreign Ministry simply dismissed the adverse decision as “invalid” and without “binding force.”

    But those are details.

    The real issue is the form of China's leadership: On July 1, 2021, there will be more poor, hungry, homeless and incarcerated people in America (in absolute numbers) than in China. Coincidentally, 800 million urban Chinese will have more money to spend and a longer life expectancy than Americans. President Xi will open the first 21st century (conceived, designed and built) green city, Jingjinji Metropolitan Region of 100 million people, all electric, renewably powered and electronically controlled–and one of its businesses will be selling urban conversion kits, software and hardware to help cities around the world make the leap to sustainability.

    Perhaps more attractive, though less glitzy, will be China's agenda from 2021-2035: making its GINI coefficient the world's best. Gradually, the grass will bend as the wind blows over it.
    ____________________________________________

    *In March 2002, Foreign Minister Alexander Downer withdrew Australia from the maritime boundary jurisdiction of the International Court of Justice and the International Tribunal for the Law of the Sea because he didn’t dare let any independent umpire determine where the maritime border should be. The government then had the Australian Secret Intelligence Service install listening devices in East Timor’s ministerial offices to eavesdrop on East Timor’s deliberations and put Australia in a vastly superior negotiating position. In effect, Downer, and by implication Australia, one of the richest countries in the world, forced East Timor, the poorest country in Asia, to sign a treaty which stopped them obtaining their fair share of the oil and gas revenues. Some months later, the Secretary of the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade, Ashton Calvert, retired and joined the board of directors of Woodside Petroleum, which was the main financial beneficiary of the ASIS operation; and Downer, who had been responsible for ASIS, worked as a lobbyist for Woodside after leaving parliament in 2008.

    The real issue is the form of China’s leadership: On July 1, 2021, there will be more poor, hungry, homeless and incarcerated people in America (in absolute numbers) than in China.

    True. And when I reflect on how things were just one generation ago, that’s a truly stunning fact. In fact, it’s an absolute indictment of neo-liberalism. Sad …

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  43. Respect says:
    @Bardon Kaldian
    With all its internal weaknesses, US is virtually unstoppable, now & in near future. It will probably decay due to ethnic/racial disintegration, but not so quickly.



    https://www.statista.com/statistics/268173/countries-with-the-largest-gross-domestic-product-gdp/

    GDP in trillions $

    USA- 20
    China-12
    Japan-5
    Germany-3.5
    France-2.5
    ..
    Russia-1.5

    Military expenditures:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures
    .....
    Billions of $

    USA-610
    China-230
    Saudi Arabia-69
    Russia-66
    India-63
    France-57
    UK-47
    ...

    Universities:

    https://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings-articles/world-university-rankings/top-universities-world-2018


    1. Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT)
    2. Stanford University
    3. Harvard University
    4. California Institute of Technology (Caltech)
    5. University of Cambridge

    Among 100, US got 61, and other 21 are Anglospheroid (UK, Canada, Australia).

    Science (see especially h-index):

    https://www.scimagojr.com/countryrank.php

    H-index

    USA 2077
    China 712
    UK 1281
    Germany 1131
    Russia 503
    ...

    Gold reserves in metric tons
    https://www.relbanks.com/rankings/world-gold-reserves

    USA 8,133
    Germany 3,370
    IMF 2,814
    ...
    Russia 1,944
    China 1,843
    ..

    World Bank (WB)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Bank

    Voting power:

    USA (15.85%)
    Japan (6.84%)
    China (4.42%)
    Germany (4.00%)
    Britain (3.75%)
    France (3.75%),
    India (2.91%)
    Russia (2.77%)
    Saudi Arabia (2.77%)
    Italy (2.64%)

    International monetary fond (IMF)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Monetary_Fund

    Voting power:

    USA 16.73%
    Japan 6.23%
    China 6.16%
    Germany 5.39%
    France 4.09%
    Britain 4.09%
    Italy 3.06%
    India 2.67%
    Russia 2.63%
    Brazil 2.25%
    Canada 2.25% ...

    Adding global culture & entertainment, and the fact that Europe, Anglosphere & Japan are US allies, while Saudi Arabia & other oilies, as well as most of Latin America, are virtually appendages- I don't see how US can be replaced in next few decades.

    You yankees , you know the price of everything , and the value of nothing .

    Keep your fake figures for yourselves . You are very tiring , always shouting that you are Number 1 in the world , very tiring . The world is tired of you .

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  44. Anonymous[345] • Disclaimer says:
    @Erebus
    McCoy has done a pretty good job here, with the one basic error being his assumption that the world wants/needs a leader, and that China wants/needs to take the role. China has been at considerable pains to disavow that as a goal. Its strategic partnership with Russia really is strategic, and so belies any suggestion that China seeks World Leadership.

    The world's primary economic engine? Sure, it's had that role a few times in the past and is already by far the largest economy on a PPP basis. A Hegemon dictating terms to allies and foe alike? Like McCoy points out, China both lacks and shows no signs of developing at least one, but actually a few more, traits that any aspiring Global Hegemon must have in his arsenal.

    America's tragedy lies in the fact that rather than a having a Statesman wind down the Empire in a dignified and orderly manner, getting the best deal he can from foes and allies as he withdraws the Imperial remit from far flung places, the zeitgeist of the American body politic necessitates that the Court Fool is put forward in his absence. Court Fools can certainly get there, and can even be brilliant, but things won't necessarily go elegantly.

    Still, America can do much worse than the Court Fool, and almost did. As of now, it looks like he'll get there, but it'll be a bumpy ride.

    America’s tragedy lies in the fact that rather than a having a Statesman wind down the Empire in a dignified and orderly manner, getting the best deal he can from foes and allies as he withdraws the Imperial remit from far flung places, the zeitgeist of the American body politic necessitates that the Court Fool is put forward in his absence. Court Fools can certainly get there, and can even be brilliant, but things won’t necessarily go elegantly.

    The problem, of course, is that none of our ‘serious’ politicians in the West would ever even consider a change of course. Trump was the only one ‘foolish’ enough to advance that notion. To be sure, I haven’t seen much actual evidence of a change of course–at least not at the level of policy. But just maybe Trump’s motor mouth will be enough to scare off a sufficient number of leeches–uh, I mean allies–to allow us to go back to being a normal country.

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    But just maybe Trump’s motor mouth will be enough to scare off a sufficient number of leeches–uh, I mean allies–to allow us to go back to being a normal country.
     
    "Leeches" aside, that is what I believe I see him doing. Rather than pull out of long established alliances, getting the alliances to pull away from him, and by extension, America seems much more possible. How else, in the current zeitgeist could one go about accomplishing the task? The entanglements run so deep and thick it would take generations to untie it all. Look at the Brexit mess, and it's 1,000x simpler.

    I haven’t seen much actual evidence of a change of course–at least not at the level of policy.
     
    I'm not surprised. Changing policy requires a staggering amount of work across the desks and conference rooms of 100,000s of bureaucrats. There's simply no time for it, and Trump hasn't got the political capital to get it done anyhow. The 11th hour has come 'round at last, and there's simply no time left for normal policy development.

    But, if politics is the art of the possible, the Fool's art is to find a way to cut through the policy logjam - only a Fool could get away with Trump's MO.

    Take NATO:
    Tabling impossible ultimatums, instigating a trade war against allies, breaking solemn treaties, and then threatening sanctions against allies if they fail to break them too, sanctioning Turkey, NATO's #2 power, while barking about "unfair trade" has got to be the only way one could imagine an American politician dissolving NATO. It ain't pretty, but NATO's dissolution and the jettisoning of Europe is underway.

    Ditto for the G7.

    Ditto for America's allies in the Far East.

    All are being insulted, assaulted, and driven to the point where they will be forced to cut their tethers to America's sun and come to grips with life outside the American orbit- with being sovereign again.
    Trump has shown he won't take "Yes" for an answer. If NATO's members, or Japan/S. Korea/Canada/Mexico acquiesce to his demands, he'll just keep ratcheting them up until they can't. When NATO acquiesced to his demand for 2% of GDP military spending, he upped it to 4%, higher even than the US. All will be driven to their breakaway point.

    "Fuck 'em if they can't take a joke", says the Fool, and moves on to insult his Attorney General, some TV talking head, or whoever popped up on his radar at 2AM, to get picked up a few hours later by the MSM, giving them and his political enemies something to sturm und drang about until the next outrageous tweet turns them all on a dime in pursuit of yet a different fox, headed in a completely different direction.

    Confusion will be the Fool's enemies' epitaph. Confusion may yet save some of America, if its head is facing forward when it stops spinning.

    Meanwhile, Putin visited Merkel last week for a 3hr, private tete-a-tete. Life, untethered to the American sun was almost certainly on the menu.
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  45. Bucky says:
    @Jason Liu
    Even the most rabid Chinese nationalists don't want hegemony. What China wants is to be left alone, for the most part, and not be constantly pressured to accept western values/liberal democracy.

    China's largest problems right now are its aging demographics, its poor understanding of soft power, and complete inability to make new friends. It's like a nouveau riche kid who doesn't know how to act around other people. Chinese leadership is still stuck in the "throw money at everything" mode, using economic deals and sharp power to secure diplomatic ties. That's just not enough, and gives China a negative, hyper-materialistic image. More work needs to be done on ideological and cultural ties. I have no patience for any fake nationalist who hates our neighbors and claims that China will become great through money and might alone, without any support or friendship from other Asian countries.

    Well, hegemony would be necessary if just for basic security. The United States has the problem of constantly seeking out some adversary to pit it up against, and China fulfills that role quite well. In a racist way, the Chinese are the perfect foils for “diversity is our strength.”

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  46. In the early 1970s David Rockerfeller sent Kissinger to China to open up Chinas slave labor to the Zionist U.S. globalists and so began the building up of China and the deindustrialization aka destruction of America for the profit of the Zionists who control the U.S..

    Until I see U.S. companies doing a mass exit from China , the China threat is total bullshit fed to we Americans by our Zionist rulers to instill fear and hysteria in the population and of course to thus benefit the MIC which like our ether created FED money is under Zionist control and is total bullshit.

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    If Zionists control everything why is Israel such a laggard among the modern economies? Wouldn't Zionists be by definition pro Israel?
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  47. Anonymous[392] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    Trump’s stand alone America avoids the increasingly troubled world and destroys the relationship of global partners with deep state objectives.

    Americans don’t want global power; they want their America back, Americans want a peaceful economically stable, fair and just domestic society and a government that responds to the domestic American Public; that is the exact opposite of deep state wants.

    Let China do its thing. But in America pump only domesitic oil and sell it only to Americans. Restore Sam Walmarts promise, to stock Walmart with goods made and produced only in America.

    There is no contest between Xi’s globalism and Trump’s nationalism the two are on a different course, the Deep State globalism may soon be a thing of the past.


    I agree, China d/n need to replicate the Roman rule of law system, bottom up leadership has always been an Eastern method. Chinese investments support two needs China’s investment and the welfare of the communities China invest in. Making communities better has got to be driving the deep state crazy.

    Not Trump is not withdrawimg from the world. He is bombing it and threatening it and joining forces with Isreal and the Sauds.

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    'Not Trump is not withdrawimg from the world. He is bombing it and threatening it and joining forces with Isreal and the Sauds.'

    Well, the latter will lead to the former.

    Ever since we became the big boy on the block, it's always been fashionable to verbally abuse the United States.

    However, now (a) we're no longer as big, and (b) our behavior is becoming seriously worrisome. Kissinger long ago decided that the US was a declining power, and unpleasant as it is to admit, it's basically true. We couldn't continue to have half the world's GNP and be able to rule by fiat from Panama to the Suez forever. Obviously, the rest of the world was going to catch up.

    So it's all part of a long-term process. However, Trump's shenanigans are markedly accelerating matters. Collectively, the world is girding up its loins to start frankly ignoring us.

    Not, mind, that anyone should read into this a rejection of Trump. The depressing fact is that he continues to be better than any apparent alternative.

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  48. Mike P says:
    @Anonymous
    Sea level in Alameda, California is lower than it was in 1940.

    http://realclimatescience.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/9414750_meantrend_shadow.png

    Of course, the sea level rise in Sydney Harbor is much more terrifying. As much as an inch in 60 years.

    http://realclimatescience.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/SydneyHarborSeaLevel_shadow.png

    Praytell, Mr. History Professor, how long do you calculate that rising sea levels will take to "devastate the coastal cities" of Alameda and/or Sydney?

    Don’t confuse us with data. The science is settled!

    Seriously, you have to hand it to the globalists – if your goal is to bring about a world government, “Climate Change” is the perfect bogeyman. It threatens everyone, everywhere, and all of mankind will have to come together to save itself.

    I find it rather excusable if a historian falls for it; he probably just trusts in the integrity of “climate scientists.” However, too many people with actual training in the sciences also simply believe this crap and never bother to check out the actual evidence.

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  49. Malla says:

    China becoming a hegemon was planned nearly a century ago. Just like Great Britain self-destructed itself and passed the baton of premier power to the United States, the United States does the same for the People’s Republic of China in a planned fashion. All planned by globalist powers behind the scenes.

    Communist China was created by globalist elites but for a reason.

    Here Andrei Fursov says Stalin was reluctant to create Communist China. He was forced by the great American capitalist, owner of big oil company Standard Oil, Mr. Rockefeller to help the Communist hero Mao Zedong.

    So you see that Communist China was created to solve many problems of the globalist elites.

    China and the New World Order
    The West has been helping in the build up of China for a long time. They did the same for the Soviet Union. Hell they are building up India too and have been for a long time. I am not saying that Soviet or Chinese civilians are incompetant. Both Russians and Chinese are high IQ people. But the fact is that the West (Globalist elites) itself has been helping the rise of China.

    As the poster Erwin Ackermanin the youtube video (China and new world order) above wrote:

    “The so called tension between the US and China, is only theater for the American and Chinese non Elite people, they are steering us all into a NWO”.

    This simply sums it all up.

    International politics and real events, a Kabuki play, an Opera.

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  50. @jacques sheete

    It wasn’t until President Wilson that we started injecting morality into every transaction
     
    Wrong.

    Albert J. Beveridge's 1898 "March of the Flag “ is a must read since he's quite open about how the ruling plutoligarchs viewed others and it rivals Cecil Rhodes’ "Confession of Faith" (1877).

    Here you go, and it's full of moralizing...


    Shall the American people continue their resistless march toward the commercial supremacy of the world?

    Shall free institutions broaden their blessed reign as the children of liberty wax in strength until the empire of our principles is established over the hearts of all mankind? Have we no mission to perform–no duty to discharge to our fellow-man? Has the Almighty Father endowed us with gifts beyond our deserts, and marked us as the people of His peculiar favor, merely to rot in our own selfishness, as men and nations must who take cowardice for their companion and self for their Deity–as China has, as India has, as Egypt has?

    -Albert J. Beveridge, “March of the Flag,” (16 September 1898) Speech Text
    http://voicesofdemocracy.umd.edu/beveridge-march-of-the-flag-speech-text/

     


    …we have invited clean young men to shoulder a discredited musket and do bandit's work under a flag which bandits have been accustomed to fear, not to follow; we have debauched America's honor and blackened her face before the world. . .

    -Mark Twain, "To the Person Sitting in Darkness," (1901)

    http://xroads.virginia.edu/~DRBR/sitting.html
     

    One of the excuses for the American war against the Philippines is that 'Merka was supposed to "Christianize" and "enlighten" the little brown people in the Philippines, which was pretty hilarious since it had long been "Christianized" to a large extent by the Spanish "Christian" imperialists. In fact, the University of Santo Tomas was established there before the US was a country.

    ‘Wrong.

    Albert J. Beveridge’s 1898 “March of the Flag “ is a must read since he’s quite open about how the ruling plutoligarchs viewed others and it rivals Cecil Rhodes’ “Confession of Faith” (1877).

    Here you go, and it’s full of moralizing…’

    It’s a matter of degree of course. I’m not asserting that we were frankly and solely motivated by commercial concerns until we woke up one morning in the Spring of 1917 and decided that being global hegemon was where it was at.

    I do think that our relations with the external world up to about World War One tended to be predominantly commercial, albeit with some moral commentary and the odd imperialist eruption (Mexico 1846, the Spanish-American War). Since then, while we’ve certainly been happy to trade, our actions have tended to be driven more by other motives.

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  51. @Anonymous
    Not Trump is not withdrawimg from the world. He is bombing it and threatening it and joining forces with Isreal and the Sauds.

    ‘Not Trump is not withdrawimg from the world. He is bombing it and threatening it and joining forces with Isreal and the Sauds.’

    Well, the latter will lead to the former.

    Ever since we became the big boy on the block, it’s always been fashionable to verbally abuse the United States.

    However, now (a) we’re no longer as big, and (b) our behavior is becoming seriously worrisome. Kissinger long ago decided that the US was a declining power, and unpleasant as it is to admit, it’s basically true. We couldn’t continue to have half the world’s GNP and be able to rule by fiat from Panama to the Suez forever. Obviously, the rest of the world was going to catch up.

    So it’s all part of a long-term process. However, Trump’s shenanigans are markedly accelerating matters. Collectively, the world is girding up its loins to start frankly ignoring us.

    Not, mind, that anyone should read into this a rejection of Trump. The depressing fact is that he continues to be better than any apparent alternative.

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  52. DB Cooper says:
    @Jason Liu
    Even the most rabid Chinese nationalists don't want hegemony. What China wants is to be left alone, for the most part, and not be constantly pressured to accept western values/liberal democracy.

    China's largest problems right now are its aging demographics, its poor understanding of soft power, and complete inability to make new friends. It's like a nouveau riche kid who doesn't know how to act around other people. Chinese leadership is still stuck in the "throw money at everything" mode, using economic deals and sharp power to secure diplomatic ties. That's just not enough, and gives China a negative, hyper-materialistic image. More work needs to be done on ideological and cultural ties. I have no patience for any fake nationalist who hates our neighbors and claims that China will become great through money and might alone, without any support or friendship from other Asian countries.

    China has good relations with most countries and most of its neighbors. China just doesn’t form ally with other countries. It is not in the style of China’s statecraft. It is America that acts like a kid in international politics. America behavior in global politics is very high school. It likes to form gangs and bully other countries based on this and that reason. It likes to be popular and thinks that any country not in its gang is its enemy. It likes to pick fight with other countries and beat up the smaller ones that does not show sufficient deference. From what I observe China foreign policy statecraft is very mature and consistent.

    What kind of nonsense is China’s complete inability to make new friends? China does have some troublesome neighbors, like Japan, Vietnam and India and China has manage them quite well. What neighbors China hate?

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    China dislikes Japan for World War II crimes and also sends some of its dregs to Japan, but that is about it.

    India is outclassed by China because they are Negros. That is all.
    , @Random Smartaleck

    What neighbors China hate?
     
    Japan and the independent country of Taiwan, for starters.
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  53. lulu says:
    @Colin Wright
    I think China has some features that could prove to be crippling.

    For one, her economy does rely very heavily on exports. This spells instant catastrophe in the event of trade war or global economic meltdown. Trump isn't handling his trade war with China very adroitly; someone else at some point may.

    For another, Chinese are congenitally corrupt. It's just too damned easy to bribe someone; and this in turn makes it very hard to move goods and money around efficiently.

    For a third, the country is a plutocracy on a scale that makes America look like an exercise in economic egalitarianism. Try looking up the number of billionaires with seats in the Chinese Congress of People's Deputies; then compare to the US (in which average individual wealth remains many times greater than it is in China.) China is run by the rich. That's not necessarily a problem; but in the case of China, the disparity lacks an ideological foundation.

    That's a recipe for trouble. Revolutions notoriously occur when rising expectations are frustrated. The first serious hiccup, and every Chinese peasant, factory worker, and low-level engineer is likely to take to the streets. There's nothing to say they shouldn't.

    Now none of this may come true, or China may be able to triumph over any difficulties along these lines. On the other hand, she may not. I wouldn't put my retirement funds into China bonds.

    Share of exports in China’s gross domestic product (GDP) in 2017 is 18.54%.

    2017 China’s export break down by region:

    - 48.5%of Chinese exports by value were delivered to fellow Asian countries;
    - 22% were sold to North American importers.
    - 18.9% to in Europe.
    - 4.2% went to Latin America (excluding Mexico) plus the Caribbean with another 4.1% going to Africa.

    US accounts to 18-19% of China’s total export in 2017, which translates the export to US accounting about 3.6% of China’s GDP. This how much US trade war against China would affect China’s economy.

    At the same time don’t forget that China imported US$1.841 trillion goods and service from US.

    Source of data: https://www.statista.com/statistics/256591/share-of-chinas-exports-in-gross-domestic-product/
    Sources of data: http://www.worldstopexports.com/chinas-top-import-partners/

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    It's called trade for a reason. It's about trading products for products. Money, currency, in any form, is a temporary way to store value, and to allow for differential product values to be equalized. Holding currency long term is sure to see your value slip away due to the inevitability of inflation. Governments never deflate their currency, they always inflate.
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  54. lulu says:
    @Colin Wright
    I think China has some features that could prove to be crippling.

    For one, her economy does rely very heavily on exports. This spells instant catastrophe in the event of trade war or global economic meltdown. Trump isn't handling his trade war with China very adroitly; someone else at some point may.

    For another, Chinese are congenitally corrupt. It's just too damned easy to bribe someone; and this in turn makes it very hard to move goods and money around efficiently.

    For a third, the country is a plutocracy on a scale that makes America look like an exercise in economic egalitarianism. Try looking up the number of billionaires with seats in the Chinese Congress of People's Deputies; then compare to the US (in which average individual wealth remains many times greater than it is in China.) China is run by the rich. That's not necessarily a problem; but in the case of China, the disparity lacks an ideological foundation.

    That's a recipe for trouble. Revolutions notoriously occur when rising expectations are frustrated. The first serious hiccup, and every Chinese peasant, factory worker, and low-level engineer is likely to take to the streets. There's nothing to say they shouldn't.

    Now none of this may come true, or China may be able to triumph over any difficulties along these lines. On the other hand, she may not. I wouldn't put my retirement funds into China bonds.

    Bribery is legalized via lobby in US, while in China bribery is deemed as crime. Anyone (incl. companies) caught in bribery will be sentenced to prison plus heavy fines in China.

    GlaxoSmithKline was fined 500 miillion USD for nation-wide bribery in 2014 in China.

    Are you aware that Western mulrinatipnal companies are the biggest sources of bribery? Pfizer, Morgan Stanley, IBM, Walmart, Alcatel-Lucent, Nike, Avon, Simens, Coca Cola, just name a few, all have beeb caught in bribery in China.

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  55. grandma says:

    regards soft power…
    I observed over the past eight years during visits to China
    women’s fashions I’d see there would later
    come here.

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  56. @DB Cooper
    China has good relations with most countries and most of its neighbors. China just doesn't form ally with other countries. It is not in the style of China's statecraft. It is America that acts like a kid in international politics. America behavior in global politics is very high school. It likes to form gangs and bully other countries based on this and that reason. It likes to be popular and thinks that any country not in its gang is its enemy. It likes to pick fight with other countries and beat up the smaller ones that does not show sufficient deference. From what I observe China foreign policy statecraft is very mature and consistent.

    What kind of nonsense is China's complete inability to make new friends? China does have some troublesome neighbors, like Japan, Vietnam and India and China has manage them quite well. What neighbors China hate?

    China dislikes Japan for World War II crimes and also sends some of its dregs to Japan, but that is about it.

    India is outclassed by China because they are Negros. That is all.

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    The relation between China and Japan could have been better. Both the Nationalist and the Communist took pretty much similar position with regards to Japan after WWII. And that is don't dwell on the past and move forward. Shortly after the war Chiang Kai-Shek publicly announced that China would not seek war reparation from Japan. Chiang Kai-Shek even refused to call the Japanese soldiers left in China prisoner of wars and repatriated them promptly back to Japan. Things only began to deteriorate when the Japanese regime, after laying low for forty plus years, became revisionist and irredentist starting in the 1980s. Only then did China react by building up war memorials like the Nanjing Massacre museum in Nanjing and the 731 museum in the northeast and the annual commemorations of the war against Japanese aggression.
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  57. grandma says:
    @Joe Levantine
    "For one, her economy does rely very heavily on exports. This spells instant catastrophe in the event of trade war or global economic meltdown. Trump isn’t handling his trade war with China very adroitly; someone else at some point may."

    If trade wars disrupt China's export oriented economy, that could be a blessing in disguise. For any common sense economist from outside the neo-liberal type, the question is why China should keep its workers toiling at miserable wages to be able to export to the develpped world in return for fiat currencies. The four to five hundred million Chinese still living around the poverty line would enjoy a big boost in living standards by gearing China's industrial potential to internal consumption. The Chinese would no more be interested in amassing United States treasuries and could convert these treasuries into physical gold and adopt a gold backed currency which would raise the value of their currency thereby affording much lower real prices for their imported commodities. In such a scenario, the loss of cheap manufactured products in the export markets of China would cause these markets some real inflationary pain.
    As for corruption and plutocracy, the American Empire did not fare any better from the early days of its ascendency and the malaise is pretty much universal.

    just checked…US and China each have poverty rates of 13.5%

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    Being poor in the US is more dangerous due to Hoodrats and/or Cholos.
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  58. Agent76 says:

    Here is a great converstion for those who are intrested.

    May 17, 2017 One Belt One Road and Two Wars? China Spars with North Korea and India

    Peter Lee: One Belt One Road and Two Wars? China Spars with North Korea and India. Also, Miles Kwok goes large. Day of reckoning for Erdogan’s Uyghur adventure. And anti-Chinese agitation shadows Indonesia.

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  59. anon[292] • Disclaimer says:

    Made in China 2025. I can’t take an article seriously that doesn’t mention the arrogant over reach of this Industrial policy. It’s aspirational, and it is amazing that such a provocative policy was announced so openly. What can go wrong? See Japan 1990.

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    China has nothing comparable. Its writing system has some 7,000 characters, not 26 letters.
     
    Can't believe this type of nonsensical statement comes from an American professor! It just shows how little he knows about Chinese culture or China.
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  60. @Godfree Roberts
    Sound analysis of America's situation but not of China's.

    Statements like , "Successful imperial transitions driven by the hard power of guns and money also require the soft-power salve of cultural suasion for sustained and successful global dominion....China has nothing comparable". China is not, for one thing, planning a successful imperial transitions driven by the hard power of guns and money. It's expensive and, ultimately, futile, as Professor McCoy observes and it's the Roman way, not the Chinese..

    The Chinese way is to lead by example, not precept or threat: If you rule with regulations and use laws to bring order, the people will avoid punishment but never develop a sense of shame. If you lead them by virtuous example and bring order by assigning appropriate responsibilities then, in addition to developing a sense of shame, they will order themselves harmoniously because human affairs only prosper in harmony with the moral nature of the cosmos. Superiors and inferiors relate to each other like wind and grass: grass must bend when wind blows over it” [Analects].

    But, Prof. McCoy, protests, China has not developed an independent judiciary or the autonomous rules-based order that undergirds the modern international system. If China cannot replicate our Roman system then, he implies, it is bound to fail in its attempt to lead. But this is nonsense, on the face of it.

    Setting aside the fact that the US has consistently refused to abide by almost any autonomous rules based order (including UNCLOS), China is an exemplary participant in others' rules based organizations, including the UN and the WTO, where it far outshines the US for good citizenship.

    Citing China's participation in UNCLOS ignores the fact that, like Britain (Falklands) and Australia*, China reserved her participation on the grounds that Article 298 (Optional exceptions to applicability of Section 2), states that, “a State may, without prejudice to the obligations arising under Section 1 (General Provisions) of Part XV, declare in writing that it does not accept any one or more of the procedures provided for in Section 2 with respect to one or more of the following categories of disputes.” The categories listed include Article 15, the delimitation of the territorial sea between States with opposite or adjacent coasts. This is exactly what China did.  From the very beginning, China declared in writing that it would not participate and not abide by the decision of this arbitral tribunal because this dispute involves territorial sovereignty/historical rights, which cannot be properly taken into account by the abitral tribunal.

    China claims sovereignty over the Paracel Islands and the Spratly Islands dating back at least several hundred years, and Chinese fishermen have also been fishing around these islands for also hundreds of years. These islands have been marked as part of China in various maps. In 1946 after WWII ended and Japan returned Taiwan to China, China sent four military ships, accompanied by an American naval ship, to Taiping Island (the largest island of the Spratly Islands, also known as Itu Aba Island) and several other islands in the South China Sea to take back the control of these islands from Japan (note: islands such as Taiping Island is under the jurisdiction of China’s Taiwan Province). Even textbooks approved by the Indonesian government in the 1940s and 1950s recognized these islands as belonging to China. In 1956, North Vietnam had also declared that the Paracel Islands and the Spratly Islands are historically Chinese territory.

    The arbitral tribunal has five arbitrators. One was recommended by the Philippines. One would be recommended by China. Since China chose not to participate, the other four were chosen by Judge Shunji Yanai of Japan, who was the then president of the International Tribunal of the Law of the Sea (ITLOS). Judge Yanai was once the advisor to Japan’s Prime Minister Shinzo Abe on his plan to amend the Japanese Peace Constitution to allow Japan to engage in non-defensive military operations overseas. China’s position has always been that it is willing to engage in bi-lateral discussions with each country to negotiate an agreeable settlement and to resolve the dispute.
    What China did is completely consistent with UNCLOS and is perfectly legal, but you would not get that impression based on what you read from the American mass media and what you hear from American political leaders. That's why Beijing’s Foreign Ministry simply dismissed the adverse decision as “invalid” and without “binding force.”

    But those are details.

    The real issue is the form of China's leadership: On July 1, 2021, there will be more poor, hungry, homeless and incarcerated people in America (in absolute numbers) than in China. Coincidentally, 800 million urban Chinese will have more money to spend and a longer life expectancy than Americans. President Xi will open the first 21st century (conceived, designed and built) green city, Jingjinji Metropolitan Region of 100 million people, all electric, renewably powered and electronically controlled–and one of its businesses will be selling urban conversion kits, software and hardware to help cities around the world make the leap to sustainability.

    Perhaps more attractive, though less glitzy, will be China's agenda from 2021-2035: making its GINI coefficient the world's best. Gradually, the grass will bend as the wind blows over it.
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    *In March 2002, Foreign Minister Alexander Downer withdrew Australia from the maritime boundary jurisdiction of the International Court of Justice and the International Tribunal for the Law of the Sea because he didn’t dare let any independent umpire determine where the maritime border should be. The government then had the Australian Secret Intelligence Service install listening devices in East Timor’s ministerial offices to eavesdrop on East Timor’s deliberations and put Australia in a vastly superior negotiating position. In effect, Downer, and by implication Australia, one of the richest countries in the world, forced East Timor, the poorest country in Asia, to sign a treaty which stopped them obtaining their fair share of the oil and gas revenues. Some months later, the Secretary of the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade, Ashton Calvert, retired and joined the board of directors of Woodside Petroleum, which was the main financial beneficiary of the ASIS operation; and Downer, who had been responsible for ASIS, worked as a lobbyist for Woodside after leaving parliament in 2008.

    The author has failed to explain *why* the American economy, jobs, the healthcare fiasco, and most all US politicians are in RUIN.

    In the last 35 years, the wealthy have risen to alarming heights because they subverted most all politicians and government departments, agencies enabling them to change tax and extraction laws. They’ve thrown aside once good paying jobs by outsourcing millions of them overseas to save on labor costs while extracting $$$$$ from millions of citizens using mortgage, college, auto debt and by jacking up rental costs of apartments and homes. The US’s military-industrial complex has extracted billions of taxpayer $$$s, as well. Add to that an already illiterate and ignorant society causing a huge chasm between the few super wealthy and the 80% of the rest of the plebians.

    Those are the most essential reasons why US is dying and the author should have brought those conditions into focus.

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  61. Once again, the 10,000 pound gorilla in the room, that tiny little stain upon the earth that drives America’s militaristic foreign policy, steals and sells all her military and tech secrets, then promptly sells them to the highest bidder, and is in fact the cause of the waves of displaced Muslim’s in the world is never even mentioned. Unreal !!

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article40308.htm

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  62. @grandma
    just checked...US and China each have poverty rates of 13.5%

    Being poor in the US is more dangerous due to Hoodrats and/or Cholos.

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  63. Che Guava says:

    Hey, where is the hefty-armed Rosie the rivetter?

    Apparently she won the Pacific war, all by herself, and only by rolling up her sleeves to expose massive biceps.

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  64. denk says:

    It s high time to bury the fairy tale about the 6lies [5lies + India] being a ‘rule based system‘ led by the U.S.A

    Lets call a spade a spade.
    The 6lies operates as an international mafia network, with the Don based in Washington DC.

    It has only one rule….
    What the Don says, goes.

    When UK operated old fields were nationalised by Teheran in the 50′s, London ran to mama.
    CIA engineered a regime change in double time.
    The murkkan installed Shah govn restored UK’s oil interest in no time.

    When Oz felt it was ‘bullied’ by mighty little E Timor in the oil field negotiation, whom did Canberra turn to ?
    The Don, of course.

    When Indian biz couldnt compete with China in South Asia, no worry, mama fukus came to the rescue.
    A combined arm twisting from fukusI put an end to Chinese investments in Nepal, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh…

    All in all a very cozy set up indeed.

    No wonder the 6lies people overwhelmingly prefer a perpetual Pax murikkana .

    Whom would the Brits. , Cannucks, Kiwis, Aussies, Indians turn to when they need a favor, under a pax sinica ?
    None !

    Cuz China has neither the muscle nor the heart to take over the role of The Don. !

    In other words, Mccoy’s entire essay is based on a false premise .

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    denk my ol friend


    The Don also stabs his freinds. Like what the Don (USA) did to the British, French etc... Empires

    From the book: The New Unhappy Lords

    https://ia800500.us.archive.org/23/items/TheNewUnhappyLords/TheNewUnhappyLords.pdf

    As far as is known “America’s” anti-British policy was first given concrete expression in the brief that General Marshall took with him to the Quebec Conference in 1943.
    This was to the effect that the greatest single obstacle to the expansion of America’s export-capitalism after the war would be not the Soviet Union but the British Empire.
    What this meant, in practical terms, was that as soon as the enemies in the field had been disposed of would come the turn of the British Empire to be progressively destroyed and that means to this end would be shaped even while hostilities raged. The moment they were over the campaign could begin in real earnest, the signal for which was to be Truman’s abrupt dropping of Lend-Lease to an ally whose economy had been so closely geared to war production that many markets for her goods had been systematically referred to U.S producers.
    The British Empire was not the only ally marked down for liquidation. The Dutch Empire in the East Indies and the French Empire in Indo-China and Africa were also high on the list

    What many people do not know is that the after the damage done by the Great Depression (the total Wall Street take over of the US Economy and the looting of independent American business with the help of the private ‘Federal’ reserve ), The British Government put restrictions on trade in between the British Empire and USA to protect the economies of Britain and all of her colonies from the wall street pigs.

    In Page 22 of the book we read

    “However, as has happened time and again throughout history, the money-lenders had tended to overplay their hand. The six million German unemployed who were the victims of the “Great Depression” resulted in a formidable revolt against the Money Power—the revolt of Adolf Hitler. There was also a rebellion, although of a much milder kind, in Great Britain and the British nations overseas, whose representatives met in Ottawa in 1932 to hammer out a system of Imperial Preferences calculated to insulate the British world against Wall St. amok-runs. These Preferences, as we shall see, incurred the unrelenting hostility of the New York Money Power and the only reason why a show-down was not forced was the far more serious threat to the international financial system implicit in the econo­mic doctrines of the Third Reich.”

    In other words, the Wall street greedy pigs after devouring American industry came to the conclusion that they faced a major threat from Third Reich Germany (the barter system used by the regime) as well as to a lesser extent from the British Empire (and other Empires). Hence the war to destroy Third Reich Germany, Japanese Empire and Italy and then after the war the eventual slow destruction of the European Empires, especially the British Empire. And hence we suddenly see ‘independence movements’ sprouting all over the world and succeeding. Even before the war we had ‘independence movements’ and ‘communist movements’ all around the world thanks to their pet ‘Soviet Russia’s’ agents going all around and ‘radicalising the masses’, all with the blessings of Wall Street Banker pigs.

    BTW bad news ol pal

    https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/china/mahathir-fears-new-colonialism-cancels-2-chinese-projects-on-beijing-visit/articleshow/65493634.cms

    Malaysian PM Mahathir fears new colonialism, this time from China, cancels 2 Chinese projects on Beijing visit

    Fukushi strikes again?????
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  65. lulu says:
    @Colin Wright
    I think China has some features that could prove to be crippling.

    For one, her economy does rely very heavily on exports. This spells instant catastrophe in the event of trade war or global economic meltdown. Trump isn't handling his trade war with China very adroitly; someone else at some point may.

    For another, Chinese are congenitally corrupt. It's just too damned easy to bribe someone; and this in turn makes it very hard to move goods and money around efficiently.

    For a third, the country is a plutocracy on a scale that makes America look like an exercise in economic egalitarianism. Try looking up the number of billionaires with seats in the Chinese Congress of People's Deputies; then compare to the US (in which average individual wealth remains many times greater than it is in China.) China is run by the rich. That's not necessarily a problem; but in the case of China, the disparity lacks an ideological foundation.

    That's a recipe for trouble. Revolutions notoriously occur when rising expectations are frustrated. The first serious hiccup, and every Chinese peasant, factory worker, and low-level engineer is likely to take to the streets. There's nothing to say they shouldn't.

    Now none of this may come true, or China may be able to triumph over any difficulties along these lines. On the other hand, she may not. I wouldn't put my retirement funds into China bonds.

    Guess CNN/NYT/WaPo would not tell you that out of the total 2980 representatives of National People’s Congress (NPC) for the 13th NPC in 2018:

    - 468 aka 15.7% are workers (from assembly lines, construction sites, retails, etc.) and peasants, doctors and teachers, etc. from the villages.

    - 438 aka 14.70% are minority representatives, who represent 55 ethnical minorities in China.

    - 742 aka 24.90% are women.

    - 1011 aka 33.93% are party members from village level to the top power echelon; 1% decrease compared last time.

    20.57% all the NPC representatives, are professionals (technicians/engineers/doctors/ teachers/policemen/firefighters, etc.).

    I doubt that you have this wide range of representatives in US congress and senate. Is there any assembly line worker who made it to congress or senate in US?

    MSM probably would not show you who these representatives of NPC really are: https://mbd.baidu.com/newspage/data/landingsuper?context=%7B%22nid%22%3A%22news_11299700714721736381%22%7D&n_type=1&p_from=4. Equally it would not tell you what these representatives would bring in their drafts related to the specific industry/county/village/county/city/province they represent.

    For example, Lei Gongzhu, a village doctor from Hubei province, who wanted to talk about illness-induced poverty issues. Another NPC representative Zhou Shaun, a party member from a remote village in Guizhou province, would like to talk how to improve the peasants’ standard of living by growing and selling tea via co-op.

    In comparison, billionaires do not account for 1% of the total NPC. Each of them has just one vote as every worker or peasant or minority representative does. To call China plutocracy just shows how misinformed you are.

    Yes, the rich Chinese are pushing hard to adopt the American (plutocracy) systems in China in order to legalise bribery, to exploit the poor without hinderance, and to steal/strip the national assets without any punishment. They can’t realize their “sweet dream” so long CPC is in power. That’s why the Western ruling class aka globalists/establishment/deep-state plus MSM are in cabal with rich Chinese to smear and discredit Chinese government with every possible way they can.

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    " Yes, the rich Chinese are pushing hard to adopt the American (plutocracy) systems in China in order to legalise bribery, to exploit the poor without hinderance, and to steal/strip the national assets without any punishment."

    The most recent example is Hong Kong's richest man, Li Ka-shing who absconded with billions to set up shop in the UK after Hu Jintao and XJP came to power. Land were handed to him on a platter during china's heydays of opening up with a mere promise of development in exchange. And he had the gall to want to appoint his own man to be HK's chief executive but was shot down by beijing when Leung chun-ying was appointed instead.


    " ...2980 representatives of National People’s Congress (NPC) for the 13th NPC in 2018:.."

    If abraham lincoln was alive, he would shed tears when he realized the composition of the above. It is truly a government by the people and for the people and definitely not by the 1% for the 1%.
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  66. Mr. McCoy missed (inadvertently or deliberately) several important points.

    First, Trump is not the only US President who did so much to ruin the US dominance. Clinton’s forcible dismantling of Yugoslavia under the accompaniment of egregious lies by the US propaganda machine, Bush’s invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq under false pretexts of 9/11 and non-existent WMD, respectively, Obama’s destruction of Libya and Ukraine, as well as attempted destruction of Syria all make Trump’s moves anything but unique: a simple continuation of the suicidal imperial policies.

    Second, the US blatantly violated every international rule in existence: all wars started by the US since 1991 were illegal according to both international and American law. In essence, proclaiming itself to be “exceptional” and “indispensable”, the US did more to destroy the roost it used to rule than any of its enemies. Recent abandonment by the US of Iran nuclear deal showed to anyone with a brain that it is pointless to come to any agreement with the US, as the US cannot be relied on to stick to it.

    Third, Chinese “silk road” strategy aims at making the US Navy irrelevant, channeling trade via ground routes in Eurasia or along the Russian Arctic coast, where the US Navy cannot impede it.

    Finally, the US has nothing even closely resembling “a universalist and inclusive discourse”. The credibility of the “democracy” BS is undermined by the US support of many regimes that are anything but democratic: apartheid Israel, Wahhabi Saudi Arabia, Nazi Ukraine, etc. Moreover, recent propaganda pushed by the US government and MSM owned by globalist elites is so full of ham-handed lies that it forces even the US vassals to doubt every word.

    Basically, the only difference between Trump and his predecessors is that Trump tends to speak his mind, whereas previous US Presidents played being polite and studiously avoided calling spineless lapdogs the names they richly deserve.

    So, the US ruined the order where it was the top dog, speeding up the demise of the dominant Empire. As the decline of the US is happening much faster than other countries expected, it might end up leading to a multi-polar world (if we survive, that is). That outcome would be better than Pax Americana we had or Pax Sinica we would have ended up with otherwise.

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    '...Basically, the only difference between Trump and his predecessors is that Trump tends to speak his mind, whereas previous US Presidents played being polite and studiously avoided calling spineless lapdogs the names they richly deserve...'

    No...I voted for the guy, and I'd vote for him again, but Trump is spectacularly incompetent.

    It's just that there's no better alternative.
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  67. lulu says:
    @anon
    Made in China 2025. I can't take an article seriously that doesn't mention the arrogant over reach of this Industrial policy. It's aspirational, and it is amazing that such a provocative policy was announced so openly. What can go wrong? See Japan 1990.

    China has nothing comparable. Its writing system has some 7,000 characters, not 26 letters.

    Can’t believe this type of nonsensical statement comes from an American professor! It just shows how little he knows about Chinese culture or China.

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  68. lulu says:
    @Jason Liu
    Even the most rabid Chinese nationalists don't want hegemony. What China wants is to be left alone, for the most part, and not be constantly pressured to accept western values/liberal democracy.

    China's largest problems right now are its aging demographics, its poor understanding of soft power, and complete inability to make new friends. It's like a nouveau riche kid who doesn't know how to act around other people. Chinese leadership is still stuck in the "throw money at everything" mode, using economic deals and sharp power to secure diplomatic ties. That's just not enough, and gives China a negative, hyper-materialistic image. More work needs to be done on ideological and cultural ties. I have no patience for any fake nationalist who hates our neighbors and claims that China will become great through money and might alone, without any support or friendship from other Asian countries.

    No mention how Western MSM has been using mis/disinformation and boldfaced lies to build up this negative, hyper-materialistic image of China? You are not serious. CNN/BBC/NYT/WaPo plus US-tax-payer-money funded propaganda machine such as Voice of America/Radio Asia would “sue” you for underestimating their greatcontribution in this decade long smearing campaign.

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  69. Herald says:
    @Chris Bridges
    A more perfect expression of Globaloney could not have been written. China has grown rich, true, but largely due to the stupidity and greed of the American and European financial class. China is never going to dominate the world. Ask any well-educated Chinese businessman. They know it is a corrupt and fragile dictatorship. Trump is absolutely right to discard the worn out structures of the post-WWII world.

    Oh dear me, somebody’s toes must be really hurting! It seems that you’ll just have to get used to it used to it.

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  70. @AnonFromTN
    Mr. McCoy missed (inadvertently or deliberately) several important points.

    First, Trump is not the only US President who did so much to ruin the US dominance. Clinton’s forcible dismantling of Yugoslavia under the accompaniment of egregious lies by the US propaganda machine, Bush’s invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq under false pretexts of 9/11 and non-existent WMD, respectively, Obama’s destruction of Libya and Ukraine, as well as attempted destruction of Syria all make Trump’s moves anything but unique: a simple continuation of the suicidal imperial policies.

    Second, the US blatantly violated every international rule in existence: all wars started by the US since 1991 were illegal according to both international and American law. In essence, proclaiming itself to be “exceptional” and “indispensable”, the US did more to destroy the roost it used to rule than any of its enemies. Recent abandonment by the US of Iran nuclear deal showed to anyone with a brain that it is pointless to come to any agreement with the US, as the US cannot be relied on to stick to it.

    Third, Chinese “silk road” strategy aims at making the US Navy irrelevant, channeling trade via ground routes in Eurasia or along the Russian Arctic coast, where the US Navy cannot impede it.

    Finally, the US has nothing even closely resembling “a universalist and inclusive discourse”. The credibility of the “democracy” BS is undermined by the US support of many regimes that are anything but democratic: apartheid Israel, Wahhabi Saudi Arabia, Nazi Ukraine, etc. Moreover, recent propaganda pushed by the US government and MSM owned by globalist elites is so full of ham-handed lies that it forces even the US vassals to doubt every word.

    Basically, the only difference between Trump and his predecessors is that Trump tends to speak his mind, whereas previous US Presidents played being polite and studiously avoided calling spineless lapdogs the names they richly deserve.

    So, the US ruined the order where it was the top dog, speeding up the demise of the dominant Empire. As the decline of the US is happening much faster than other countries expected, it might end up leading to a multi-polar world (if we survive, that is). That outcome would be better than Pax Americana we had or Pax Sinica we would have ended up with otherwise.

    ‘…Basically, the only difference between Trump and his predecessors is that Trump tends to speak his mind, whereas previous US Presidents played being polite and studiously avoided calling spineless lapdogs the names they richly deserve…’

    No…I voted for the guy, and I’d vote for him again, but Trump is spectacularly incompetent.

    It’s just that there’s no better alternative.

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    I did not vote for him (in TN it did not matter, so I did not vote, period), but if I had to choose, I’d choose Trump over corrupt mad witch any day of the week and twice on Sunday. He is hardly good, but he is a lot better than her.

    BTW, judging by how the establishment is all against him, he might be even better than we think.

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  71. peterAUS says:
    @Bardon Kaldian
    With all its internal weaknesses, US is virtually unstoppable, now & in near future. It will probably decay due to ethnic/racial disintegration, but not so quickly.



    https://www.statista.com/statistics/268173/countries-with-the-largest-gross-domestic-product-gdp/

    GDP in trillions $

    USA- 20
    China-12
    Japan-5
    Germany-3.5
    France-2.5
    ..
    Russia-1.5

    Military expenditures:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures
    .....
    Billions of $

    USA-610
    China-230
    Saudi Arabia-69
    Russia-66
    India-63
    France-57
    UK-47
    ...

    Universities:

    https://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings-articles/world-university-rankings/top-universities-world-2018


    1. Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT)
    2. Stanford University
    3. Harvard University
    4. California Institute of Technology (Caltech)
    5. University of Cambridge

    Among 100, US got 61, and other 21 are Anglospheroid (UK, Canada, Australia).

    Science (see especially h-index):

    https://www.scimagojr.com/countryrank.php

    H-index

    USA 2077
    China 712
    UK 1281
    Germany 1131
    Russia 503
    ...

    Gold reserves in metric tons
    https://www.relbanks.com/rankings/world-gold-reserves

    USA 8,133
    Germany 3,370
    IMF 2,814
    ...
    Russia 1,944
    China 1,843
    ..

    World Bank (WB)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Bank

    Voting power:

    USA (15.85%)
    Japan (6.84%)
    China (4.42%)
    Germany (4.00%)
    Britain (3.75%)
    France (3.75%),
    India (2.91%)
    Russia (2.77%)
    Saudi Arabia (2.77%)
    Italy (2.64%)

    International monetary fond (IMF)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Monetary_Fund

    Voting power:

    USA 16.73%
    Japan 6.23%
    China 6.16%
    Germany 5.39%
    France 4.09%
    Britain 4.09%
    Italy 3.06%
    India 2.67%
    Russia 2.63%
    Brazil 2.25%
    Canada 2.25% ...

    Adding global culture & entertainment, and the fact that Europe, Anglosphere & Japan are US allies, while Saudi Arabia & other oilies, as well as most of Latin America, are virtually appendages- I don't see how US can be replaced in next few decades.

    With all its internal weaknesses, US is virtually unstoppable, now & in near future.

    Yup.

    It will probably decay due to ethnic/racial disintegration, but not so quickly.

    I’d reprhrase into

    It will probably decay due to several issues, but not so quickly.

    but, that’s it.

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    By the time the US decays Australia will be owned by Chinese and Lebanese mobsters and African gangs will be running rampant on the streets.

    None of Australia's fate has anything to do with the US at all. Not a single thing.

    Australians like yourself remain obsessed with the US but China and Lebanon and Sudan will be the countries who lead to its disintegration.

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  72. “… signs that America’s hegemony was on a downward trajectory as its share of global economic power fell from 50% in 1950 to just 15% in 2017.”

    This was readily foreseeable in a world where most economies were growing. Washington should have eased itself into being an equal partner in a multi-polar world, but it didn’t want to let loose of the reins. This was evident years before Trump popped up on the radar.

    “Instead of multilateral trade pacts like NAFTA, the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP), or even the WTO, Trump favors bilateral deals rewritten to the (supposed) advantage of the United States.”

    Those agreements were for the most part hugely slanted to the favour of selected US industries. In that respect, Trump’s bilateral approach works better to the advantage of a larger cross-section of the US.

    “Despite such grandiose claims, each of President Trump’s overseas trips has been a mission of destruction in terms of American global power.”

    Or a shrewd recognition that preëminence is fleeting and it is time to find a way to step off the hamster-wheel.

    “During a second, no-less-divisive NATO visit in July, he charged ….”

    All true, but is it such a bad thing to take a wrecking ball to an alliance that has outlived its mission? At best, he will have sold a bunch of arms, like the woeful F-35, and LNG to countries who can’t produce their own. At worst, the US will be able to pivot in earnest to Asia.

    “China has built just such a modernized fleet of 320 ships, including nuclear submarines and its first aircraft carriers.”

    It will be a long time before they sail into San Francisco harbour. Isolationism, for a country with the luxury of two very large oceans on two sides and relatively benign powers on the other sides, is highly under-rated.

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  73. @jilles dykstra
    Indeed, coups and revolutions most of the time happen when things are getting better, tsarist Russia, the Ottoman empire, are examples.

    ‘…Indeed, coups and revolutions most of the time happen when things are getting better, tsarist Russia, the Ottoman empire, are examples…’

    Black unrest in the Sixties comes to mind as well. They’d been led to believe that — magically — they were all going to become equal and start living the life whites led in their imagination. When it didn’t happen, there was rioting coast to coast.

    People most generally revolt, not because of poverty or oppression per se, but when rising expectations aren’t met. There can be other causes as well, of course — just a large cohort of young people can do it — but unmet expectations are a common spark.

    Then too, the status quo has to have an ideological underpinning. I recall reading of some late medieval peasant revolt. The king was able to subdue it simply by riding alone into the crowd. He was God’s anointed, and it was unthinkable to defy him. The peasants literally fell to their knees and started begging for forgiveness.

    We have the shibboleth of elections. If someone won the vote, their right to rule is unquestionable. It’s actually not much less arbitrary than the divine right of kings, but we accept it, and so it works.

    Can the plutocrats who rule China call on anything like that? What is the overpowering justification for their authority? When the going gets rocky, what happens? Recall here our Great Depression. Rough as it got, our faith in the democratic process was sufficient to pull us through without social collapse. Does China have anything like as strong an ideological underpinning?

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    Can the plutocrats who rule China call on anything like [divine right of kings or democratic legitimacy]?
     
    The plutocrats don't rule China. (If by "plutocrats" you mean billionaires.) The Communist Party runs the country.

    What is the overpowering justification for [the Chinese rulers'] authority?
     
    Two thousand years of Confucianism?
    , @Daniel Chieh
    Plutocrats don't rule China; they are basically forced to join the CCP, which is actually a millstone around their neck. It might theoretically increase some influence, but now they can't even leave the country sometimes and have to listen to orders far, far, far more than any citizen.

    It not quite promotion to Antarctica, but it's a similar idea.

    Imagine of every single US billionaire had to swear he was "working for the good of the US" and could be questioned on his life decisions by Congress. It'd be annoying as heck for them.

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  74. Deschutes says:

    We’re in deep crap in terms of climate change. This extreme 2018 drought/heatwave in USA/Europe has been like none other. No, not just a ‘hot summer’; more like a fucking hell-bake. I’ve never seen forests so bone dry, no signs of life as everything has had the fuck burned out of it and hardly any rain since last May! The leaves on Oaks and Maples are burned off many trees. I’ve never seen this before.

    This is a very bad omen of future summers to come :-(((

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    If it were too wet or too cold or too hot, people would still call it "climate change". On the other hand, if the weather were just right, they would call it "weather, not climate."

    We are at the tail end of an interglacial, so the overall temperature trend points downward, decadal ups and downs notwithstanding. A little bit of human-induced warming may well come in handy to postpone the next ice a little bit.
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  75. @Colin Wright
    '...Basically, the only difference between Trump and his predecessors is that Trump tends to speak his mind, whereas previous US Presidents played being polite and studiously avoided calling spineless lapdogs the names they richly deserve...'

    No...I voted for the guy, and I'd vote for him again, but Trump is spectacularly incompetent.

    It's just that there's no better alternative.

    I did not vote for him (in TN it did not matter, so I did not vote, period), but if I had to choose, I’d choose Trump over corrupt mad witch any day of the week and twice on Sunday. He is hardly good, but he is a lot better than her.

    BTW, judging by how the establishment is all against him, he might be even better than we think.

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  76. @Anonymous
    Sea level in Alameda, California is lower than it was in 1940.

    http://realclimatescience.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/9414750_meantrend_shadow.png

    Of course, the sea level rise in Sydney Harbor is much more terrifying. As much as an inch in 60 years.

    http://realclimatescience.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/SydneyHarborSeaLevel_shadow.png

    Praytell, Mr. History Professor, how long do you calculate that rising sea levels will take to "devastate the coastal cities" of Alameda and/or Sydney?

    Maybe Sydney Harbor is sinking.

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  77. @lulu
    Share of exports in China's gross domestic product (GDP) in 2017 is 18.54%.

    2017 China's export break down by region:

    - 48.5%of Chinese exports by value were delivered to fellow Asian countries;
    - 22% were sold to North American importers.
    - 18.9% to in Europe.
    - 4.2% went to Latin America (excluding Mexico) plus the Caribbean with another 4.1% going to Africa.

    US accounts to 18-19% of China's total export in 2017, which translates the export to US accounting about 3.6% of China's GDP. This how much US trade war against China would affect China's economy.

    At the same time don't forget that China imported US$1.841 trillion goods and service from US.


    Source of data: https://www.statista.com/statistics/256591/share-of-chinas-exports-in-gross-domestic-product/
    Sources of data: http://www.worldstopexports.com/chinas-top-import-partners/

    It’s called trade for a reason. It’s about trading products for products. Money, currency, in any form, is a temporary way to store value, and to allow for differential product values to be equalized. Holding currency long term is sure to see your value slip away due to the inevitability of inflation. Governments never deflate their currency, they always inflate.

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  78. McCoy is a secular saint for unzipping CIA’s fly and pulling out the drugs and torture. But this article flops when it follows the traditional US ‘spot the hegemon’ format. When you listen to this putative next hegemon, or its ally Russia or its blocs, the SCO, BRICS, or G-77, they are not telling you they want to be the hegemon. They are not looking for a hegemon. What are the Chinese telling you? Read their Five Principles of Peaceful Coexistence. Four are straight out of the UN Charter. The fifth is equality and mutual benefit.

    Do you think they’re full of shit, like the US government would be if it said that? They are not American assholes. They are Chinese. They want to be primus inter pares. Not a US-type hegemon.

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  79. Frankie P says:
    @Godfree Roberts
    I suggest you review China's 2,000 year track record before making predictions.

    I agree. The history you refer to is one of a tributary or tribute system, which seems to me far superior to the colonial system developed by the west. We should keep in mind, however, that even the terms “tributary system” and “tribute system” are western inventions to describe these practices, institutions and systems. The Chinese will continue to work towards such a system, in which trade and international relations are loosely networked, the member states are independent and autonomous, and most importantly, benefits are realized by all. The Chinese will expect that the member states will accept and act upon the fact that in the hierarchical order the Chinese occupy the superior position, due to their sheer size and power: cultural, economic, political and military.

    It seems to me that they will have trouble doing a poorer job than the European colonial powers and their extractive model, a model which afforded little or no benefits or respect to the indiginous people in their colonies. One needs only a cursory glance at the projects that China is facilitating in Africa today: building ports, high speed rail systems, highway systems, telecommunications systems, petroleum infrastructure, industrial zones. It makes me wonder why the European powers never helped the Africans develop their nations. Will the Chinese benefit from this investment? Of course! They are not doing it out of an altruistic worldview! They are doing it to benefit their country, but they seem to realize that the best way to realize maximum benefits for themselves is to facilitate healthy local economies and markets of those they help.

    It will be interesting to observe things playing out in the next few decades.

    Frankie P

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  80. Vidi says:
    @Godfree Roberts
    Sound analysis of America's situation but not of China's.

    Statements like , "Successful imperial transitions driven by the hard power of guns and money also require the soft-power salve of cultural suasion for sustained and successful global dominion....China has nothing comparable". China is not, for one thing, planning a successful imperial transitions driven by the hard power of guns and money. It's expensive and, ultimately, futile, as Professor McCoy observes and it's the Roman way, not the Chinese..

    The Chinese way is to lead by example, not precept or threat: If you rule with regulations and use laws to bring order, the people will avoid punishment but never develop a sense of shame. If you lead them by virtuous example and bring order by assigning appropriate responsibilities then, in addition to developing a sense of shame, they will order themselves harmoniously because human affairs only prosper in harmony with the moral nature of the cosmos. Superiors and inferiors relate to each other like wind and grass: grass must bend when wind blows over it” [Analects].

    But, Prof. McCoy, protests, China has not developed an independent judiciary or the autonomous rules-based order that undergirds the modern international system. If China cannot replicate our Roman system then, he implies, it is bound to fail in its attempt to lead. But this is nonsense, on the face of it.

    Setting aside the fact that the US has consistently refused to abide by almost any autonomous rules based order (including UNCLOS), China is an exemplary participant in others' rules based organizations, including the UN and the WTO, where it far outshines the US for good citizenship.

    Citing China's participation in UNCLOS ignores the fact that, like Britain (Falklands) and Australia*, China reserved her participation on the grounds that Article 298 (Optional exceptions to applicability of Section 2), states that, “a State may, without prejudice to the obligations arising under Section 1 (General Provisions) of Part XV, declare in writing that it does not accept any one or more of the procedures provided for in Section 2 with respect to one or more of the following categories of disputes.” The categories listed include Article 15, the delimitation of the territorial sea between States with opposite or adjacent coasts. This is exactly what China did.  From the very beginning, China declared in writing that it would not participate and not abide by the decision of this arbitral tribunal because this dispute involves territorial sovereignty/historical rights, which cannot be properly taken into account by the abitral tribunal.

    China claims sovereignty over the Paracel Islands and the Spratly Islands dating back at least several hundred years, and Chinese fishermen have also been fishing around these islands for also hundreds of years. These islands have been marked as part of China in various maps. In 1946 after WWII ended and Japan returned Taiwan to China, China sent four military ships, accompanied by an American naval ship, to Taiping Island (the largest island of the Spratly Islands, also known as Itu Aba Island) and several other islands in the South China Sea to take back the control of these islands from Japan (note: islands such as Taiping Island is under the jurisdiction of China’s Taiwan Province). Even textbooks approved by the Indonesian government in the 1940s and 1950s recognized these islands as belonging to China. In 1956, North Vietnam had also declared that the Paracel Islands and the Spratly Islands are historically Chinese territory.

    The arbitral tribunal has five arbitrators. One was recommended by the Philippines. One would be recommended by China. Since China chose not to participate, the other four were chosen by Judge Shunji Yanai of Japan, who was the then president of the International Tribunal of the Law of the Sea (ITLOS). Judge Yanai was once the advisor to Japan’s Prime Minister Shinzo Abe on his plan to amend the Japanese Peace Constitution to allow Japan to engage in non-defensive military operations overseas. China’s position has always been that it is willing to engage in bi-lateral discussions with each country to negotiate an agreeable settlement and to resolve the dispute.
    What China did is completely consistent with UNCLOS and is perfectly legal, but you would not get that impression based on what you read from the American mass media and what you hear from American political leaders. That's why Beijing’s Foreign Ministry simply dismissed the adverse decision as “invalid” and without “binding force.”

    But those are details.

    The real issue is the form of China's leadership: On July 1, 2021, there will be more poor, hungry, homeless and incarcerated people in America (in absolute numbers) than in China. Coincidentally, 800 million urban Chinese will have more money to spend and a longer life expectancy than Americans. President Xi will open the first 21st century (conceived, designed and built) green city, Jingjinji Metropolitan Region of 100 million people, all electric, renewably powered and electronically controlled–and one of its businesses will be selling urban conversion kits, software and hardware to help cities around the world make the leap to sustainability.

    Perhaps more attractive, though less glitzy, will be China's agenda from 2021-2035: making its GINI coefficient the world's best. Gradually, the grass will bend as the wind blows over it.
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    *In March 2002, Foreign Minister Alexander Downer withdrew Australia from the maritime boundary jurisdiction of the International Court of Justice and the International Tribunal for the Law of the Sea because he didn’t dare let any independent umpire determine where the maritime border should be. The government then had the Australian Secret Intelligence Service install listening devices in East Timor’s ministerial offices to eavesdrop on East Timor’s deliberations and put Australia in a vastly superior negotiating position. In effect, Downer, and by implication Australia, one of the richest countries in the world, forced East Timor, the poorest country in Asia, to sign a treaty which stopped them obtaining their fair share of the oil and gas revenues. Some months later, the Secretary of the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade, Ashton Calvert, retired and joined the board of directors of Woodside Petroleum, which was the main financial beneficiary of the ASIS operation; and Downer, who had been responsible for ASIS, worked as a lobbyist for Woodside after leaving parliament in 2008.

    The real issue is the form of China’s leadership: On July 1, 2021, there will be more poor, hungry, homeless and incarcerated people in America (in absolute numbers) than in China.

    If the near total eradication of poverty in China happens, that will be important, as it will prove that it can be done in a large country. (It’ll be a poke in the eye to the Western 1%.)

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  81. @Anonymous
    Trump’s stand alone America avoids the increasingly troubled world and destroys the relationship of global partners with deep state objectives.

    Americans don’t want global power; they want their America back, Americans want a peaceful economically stable, fair and just domestic society and a government that responds to the domestic American Public; that is the exact opposite of deep state wants.

    Let China do its thing. But in America pump only domesitic oil and sell it only to Americans. Restore Sam Walmarts promise, to stock Walmart with goods made and produced only in America.

    There is no contest between Xi’s globalism and Trump’s nationalism the two are on a different course, the Deep State globalism may soon be a thing of the past.


    I agree, China d/n need to replicate the Roman rule of law system, bottom up leadership has always been an Eastern method. Chinese investments support two needs China’s investment and the welfare of the communities China invest in. Making communities better has got to be driving the deep state crazy.

    Americans don’t want global power; they want their America back, Americans want a peaceful economically stable, fair and just domestic society and a government that responds to the domestic American Public…

    Sums up Make America Great Again/America First quite nicely, at least as envisioned by most Trump supporters.

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  82. @jilles dykstra
    Stalin began the Cold War, with his 1948 blockade of Berlin.
    FDR's Uncle Joe was the Russian bear.
    With the Cuba crisis the Cold War was over, Chrustjow did not want war, Russian people to this day do not understand how the west ever saw them as a threat, they saw it the other way round, maybe do it again, with the agression by NATO and EU.
    Then, the story about China's economic expansion reminds me of the, in my opinion, cause of WWI, Great Britain afraid of German economic expansion to the SE.
    Also a railway, from Berlin to Baghdad, to be extended to Basra, through Mosul, at the time the most oil rich area, the railway concession was to be ten miles to each side.
    GB became small Britain because the cost of maintaining the empire became too high, in stead of accepting this there were two world wars.
    Common sense could have prevented an enormous loss of life, and destruction.
    I'm not all sure that this time common sense will prevail, idiots in the USA do anything to rid themselves of Trump, and follow the GB example, it seems to me.
    What these idiots really want I do not not understand, a new world war will really be the last one, no human being will survive.

    Russian people to this day do not understand how the west ever saw them as a threat, they saw it the other way round, maybe do it again, with the agression by NATO and EU.

    You have already answered why we saw them as a threat:

    Stalin began the Cold War, with his 1948 blockade of Berlin.

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    As well as the blockade of Berlin, as soon as the Russians marched into Germany Poland Czechoslovakia, Austria, Hungary Bulgaria Slovenia Romania Greece Yugoslavia and Iran they began killing off the non communist leadership potential and leadership

    By 1946 communist governments, totally subservient to Moscow were installed by murdering any opposition.

    Parts of Iran and Austria suffered Soviet occupation until 1955. There was a terrible war in Greece which Greece finally won. Thousands of Greek children were kidnapped and taken to Russia for training as good communists.

    The complete takeover of Central Europe after 1945 wasn’t solely because of the Russian military occupation. It was a joint effort of the communist network in those countries before the war and the soviet military.

    Those Soviet networks existed in Western Europe as well. The only thing that saved them is that the Soviet army didn’t get that far west.

    The rest of Europe had excellent reason to feel threatened by soviet expansion west.
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  83. @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist
    The great difference, as an African leader said, is that the Chinese do not act as though they are superior beings; they treat Africans as equals. I don't know if the author of this article realises just how much we in the rest of the world despise American behaviour; the Amerikastani fetish of "exceptionalism" is enough to ensure that given the choice, any normal person would support *anyone* opposed to America. The Chinese don't have to impose their rule by guns and corporations and puppet rulers like the Amerikastanis do. They just have to be not American, and that is good enough.

    The great difference, as an African leader said, is that the Chinese do not act as though they are superior beings; they treat Africans as equals.

    We will see if that continues when the loans come due and Africans are unable to pay them back.

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    "We will see if that continues when the loans come due and Africans are unable to pay them back"

    Chinese economic deals in Africa are based on a bartering system, infrastructure against commodities. They are win-win deals, unlike the loans made by Western financial institutions to "help" Africa, which are designed as ever-lasting rent extraction schemes.
    , @Daniel Chieh
    No one expects them to pay it back.
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  84. @DB Cooper
    China has good relations with most countries and most of its neighbors. China just doesn't form ally with other countries. It is not in the style of China's statecraft. It is America that acts like a kid in international politics. America behavior in global politics is very high school. It likes to form gangs and bully other countries based on this and that reason. It likes to be popular and thinks that any country not in its gang is its enemy. It likes to pick fight with other countries and beat up the smaller ones that does not show sufficient deference. From what I observe China foreign policy statecraft is very mature and consistent.

    What kind of nonsense is China's complete inability to make new friends? China does have some troublesome neighbors, like Japan, Vietnam and India and China has manage them quite well. What neighbors China hate?

    What neighbors China hate?

    Japan and the independent country of Taiwan, for starters.

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    Talking about hate I remember some prominent Japanese have said US business leaders are inferior :

    http://articles.latimes.com/1992-01-26/news/mn-1463_1_american-business

    and American workers are lazy and illiterate :

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1992/01/23/tokyo-party-leader-grim-over-us-ties/a9cd4c2a-9732-4a66-96fd-0eb39ebe1e42/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.ba9ce3f8dd0e

    I don't know how common is this sentiment but I am pretty sure underneath the facade of politeness Japanese hate Americans. Anti-Americans sentiment in Japan dates back to the 1920s. This denigration against the Americans is just a manifestation of this hatred expressed in an oblique manner. Japan has been milking the atomic bombing victimhood continuously for the past seventy years. And who nuked them?

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  85. Biff says:
    @Bardon Kaldian
    With all its internal weaknesses, US is virtually unstoppable, now & in near future. It will probably decay due to ethnic/racial disintegration, but not so quickly.



    https://www.statista.com/statistics/268173/countries-with-the-largest-gross-domestic-product-gdp/

    GDP in trillions $

    USA- 20
    China-12
    Japan-5
    Germany-3.5
    France-2.5
    ..
    Russia-1.5

    Military expenditures:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures
    .....
    Billions of $

    USA-610
    China-230
    Saudi Arabia-69
    Russia-66
    India-63
    France-57
    UK-47
    ...

    Universities:

    https://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings-articles/world-university-rankings/top-universities-world-2018


    1. Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT)
    2. Stanford University
    3. Harvard University
    4. California Institute of Technology (Caltech)
    5. University of Cambridge

    Among 100, US got 61, and other 21 are Anglospheroid (UK, Canada, Australia).

    Science (see especially h-index):

    https://www.scimagojr.com/countryrank.php

    H-index

    USA 2077
    China 712
    UK 1281
    Germany 1131
    Russia 503
    ...

    Gold reserves in metric tons
    https://www.relbanks.com/rankings/world-gold-reserves

    USA 8,133
    Germany 3,370
    IMF 2,814
    ...
    Russia 1,944
    China 1,843
    ..

    World Bank (WB)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Bank

    Voting power:

    USA (15.85%)
    Japan (6.84%)
    China (4.42%)
    Germany (4.00%)
    Britain (3.75%)
    France (3.75%),
    India (2.91%)
    Russia (2.77%)
    Saudi Arabia (2.77%)
    Italy (2.64%)

    International monetary fond (IMF)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Monetary_Fund

    Voting power:

    USA 16.73%
    Japan 6.23%
    China 6.16%
    Germany 5.39%
    France 4.09%
    Britain 4.09%
    Italy 3.06%
    India 2.67%
    Russia 2.63%
    Brazil 2.25%
    Canada 2.25% ...

    Adding global culture & entertainment, and the fact that Europe, Anglosphere & Japan are US allies, while Saudi Arabia & other oilies, as well as most of Latin America, are virtually appendages- I don't see how US can be replaced in next few decades.

    Gold reserves in metric tons

    https://www.relbanks.com/rankings/world-gold-reserves

    USA 8,133
    Germany 3,370
    IMF 2,814

    Russia 1,944
    China 1,843

    The Fed refuses to be audited, so I can only assume 8’133 is made up.

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  86. DB Cooper says:
    @Jeff Stryker
    China dislikes Japan for World War II crimes and also sends some of its dregs to Japan, but that is about it.

    India is outclassed by China because they are Negros. That is all.

    The relation between China and Japan could have been better. Both the Nationalist and the Communist took pretty much similar position with regards to Japan after WWII. And that is don’t dwell on the past and move forward. Shortly after the war Chiang Kai-Shek publicly announced that China would not seek war reparation from Japan. Chiang Kai-Shek even refused to call the Japanese soldiers left in China prisoner of wars and repatriated them promptly back to Japan. Things only began to deteriorate when the Japanese regime, after laying low for forty plus years, became revisionist and irredentist starting in the 1980s. Only then did China react by building up war memorials like the Nanjing Massacre museum in Nanjing and the 731 museum in the northeast and the annual commemorations of the war against Japanese aggression.

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    Wrong.

    China amped up its patriotic campaign after Tienanmen.
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  87. Mike P says:
    @Deschutes
    We're in deep crap in terms of climate change. This extreme 2018 drought/heatwave in USA/Europe has been like none other. No, not just a 'hot summer'; more like a fucking hell-bake. I've never seen forests so bone dry, no signs of life as everything has had the fuck burned out of it and hardly any rain since last May! The leaves on Oaks and Maples are burned off many trees. I've never seen this before.

    This is a very bad omen of future summers to come :-(((

    If it were too wet or too cold or too hot, people would still call it “climate change”. On the other hand, if the weather were just right, they would call it “weather, not climate.”

    We are at the tail end of an interglacial, so the overall temperature trend points downward, decadal ups and downs notwithstanding. A little bit of human-induced warming may well come in handy to postpone the next ice a little bit.

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  88. Erebus says:
    @Anonymous

    America’s tragedy lies in the fact that rather than a having a Statesman wind down the Empire in a dignified and orderly manner, getting the best deal he can from foes and allies as he withdraws the Imperial remit from far flung places, the zeitgeist of the American body politic necessitates that the Court Fool is put forward in his absence. Court Fools can certainly get there, and can even be brilliant, but things won’t necessarily go elegantly.
     
    The problem, of course, is that none of our 'serious' politicians in the West would ever even consider a change of course. Trump was the only one 'foolish' enough to advance that notion. To be sure, I haven't seen much actual evidence of a change of course--at least not at the level of policy. But just maybe Trump's motor mouth will be enough to scare off a sufficient number of leeches--uh, I mean allies--to allow us to go back to being a normal country.

    But just maybe Trump’s motor mouth will be enough to scare off a sufficient number of leeches–uh, I mean allies–to allow us to go back to being a normal country.

    “Leeches” aside, that is what I believe I see him doing. Rather than pull out of long established alliances, getting the alliances to pull away from him, and by extension, America seems much more possible. How else, in the current zeitgeist could one go about accomplishing the task? The entanglements run so deep and thick it would take generations to untie it all. Look at the Brexit mess, and it’s 1,000x simpler.

    I haven’t seen much actual evidence of a change of course–at least not at the level of policy.

    I’m not surprised. Changing policy requires a staggering amount of work across the desks and conference rooms of 100,000s of bureaucrats. There’s simply no time for it, and Trump hasn’t got the political capital to get it done anyhow. The 11th hour has come ’round at last, and there’s simply no time left for normal policy development.

    But, if politics is the art of the possible, the Fool’s art is to find a way to cut through the policy logjam – only a Fool could get away with Trump’s MO.

    Take NATO:
    Tabling impossible ultimatums, instigating a trade war against allies, breaking solemn treaties, and then threatening sanctions against allies if they fail to break them too, sanctioning Turkey, NATO’s #2 power, while barking about “unfair trade” has got to be the only way one could imagine an American politician dissolving NATO. It ain’t pretty, but NATO’s dissolution and the jettisoning of Europe is underway.

    Ditto for the G7.

    Ditto for America’s allies in the Far East.

    All are being insulted, assaulted, and driven to the point where they will be forced to cut their tethers to America’s sun and come to grips with life outside the American orbit- with being sovereign again.
    Trump has shown he won’t take “Yes” for an answer. If NATO’s members, or Japan/S. Korea/Canada/Mexico acquiesce to his demands, he’ll just keep ratcheting them up until they can’t. When NATO acquiesced to his demand for 2% of GDP military spending, he upped it to 4%, higher even than the US. All will be driven to their breakaway point.

    “Fuck ‘em if they can’t take a joke”, says the Fool, and moves on to insult his Attorney General, some TV talking head, or whoever popped up on his radar at 2AM, to get picked up a few hours later by the MSM, giving them and his political enemies something to sturm und drang about until the next outrageous tweet turns them all on a dime in pursuit of yet a different fox, headed in a completely different direction.

    Confusion will be the Fool’s enemies’ epitaph. Confusion may yet save some of America, if its head is facing forward when it stops spinning.

    Meanwhile, Putin visited Merkel last week for a 3hr, private tete-a-tete. Life, untethered to the American sun was almost certainly on the menu.

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  89. DB Cooper says:
    @Random Smartaleck

    What neighbors China hate?
     
    Japan and the independent country of Taiwan, for starters.

    Talking about hate I remember some prominent Japanese have said US business leaders are inferior :

    http://articles.latimes.com/1992-01-26/news/mn-1463_1_american-business

    and American workers are lazy and illiterate :

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1992/01/23/tokyo-party-leader-grim-over-us-ties/a9cd4c2a-9732-4a66-96fd-0eb39ebe1e42/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.ba9ce3f8dd0e

    I don’t know how common is this sentiment but I am pretty sure underneath the facade of politeness Japanese hate Americans. Anti-Americans sentiment in Japan dates back to the 1920s. This denigration against the Americans is just a manifestation of this hatred expressed in an oblique manner. Japan has been milking the atomic bombing victimhood continuously for the past seventy years. And who nuked them?

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    and American workers are lazy and illiterate :

     

    Funny thing, back in 91 in the U.S. my Asian wife worked in a Factory, in a production line, and she used to come home, and almost on a daily bases I would have to hear “Americans are lazy!” Then, as your link points out, in Jan. of 92, the press took note of that Japanese tycoon saying the same thing. Dan Rather goes on air repeating what I’ve been hearing for years, and the whole country goes into an uproar.
    If you remember the debate went on for nine months to a year with people(Americans) affirming “I work hard dammit!”
    I found the whole episode quite hilarious.
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  90. @peterAUS

    With all its internal weaknesses, US is virtually unstoppable, now & in near future.

     

    Yup.

    It will probably decay due to ethnic/racial disintegration, but not so quickly.
     
    I'd reprhrase into

    It will probably decay due to several issues, but not so quickly.
     
    but, that's it.

    By the time the US decays Australia will be owned by Chinese and Lebanese mobsters and African gangs will be running rampant on the streets.

    None of Australia’s fate has anything to do with the US at all. Not a single thing.

    Australians like yourself remain obsessed with the US but China and Lebanon and Sudan will be the countries who lead to its disintegration.

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  91. @Anonymous
    Trump’s stand alone America avoids the increasingly troubled world and destroys the relationship of global partners with deep state objectives.

    Americans don’t want global power; they want their America back, Americans want a peaceful economically stable, fair and just domestic society and a government that responds to the domestic American Public; that is the exact opposite of deep state wants.

    Let China do its thing. But in America pump only domesitic oil and sell it only to Americans. Restore Sam Walmarts promise, to stock Walmart with goods made and produced only in America.

    There is no contest between Xi’s globalism and Trump’s nationalism the two are on a different course, the Deep State globalism may soon be a thing of the past.


    I agree, China d/n need to replicate the Roman rule of law system, bottom up leadership has always been an Eastern method. Chinese investments support two needs China’s investment and the welfare of the communities China invest in. Making communities better has got to be driving the deep state crazy.

    China/US comparison

    China does not allow illegal immigrants.

    Do Uighur behave like Pakistanis in UK. They would, given any kind of chance. But do you think they groom young Chinese girls. Or are allowed into positions of government.

    None of you are old enough to remember when Ross Perot warned of globalism in 1994, I am. It was right at the beginning of the Clinton’s administration’s NAFTA.

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    I remember it. Ross Perot was right. He was wrong to quit in mid-race. Even though he re-entered the race later, then his chances as a “quitter” were nil. Too bad. That might have been our chance, he was certainly more capable than Trump is, and the country wasn’t as far down the slippery slope of globalism as it is today. However, life is irreversible: what’s done is done and cannot be undone.
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  92. I live south of Atlanta – theres this small airport nearby, very small town, the airport and a huddle house is about all there is…… Theres a whole mini Chinese town taking shape over there, theres this old roach motel, old truck stop hooker networking type shack..anyhow.. the Chinese are filled to the brim in the motel, thats where they all stay. They converted it to like a Chinese dorm place for them, the Chinese are being trained to pilot at the airport across the street. I see em flyin round all the time, looks like they’re training to be kamikazes! Doing all types of fast dives and corkskrews! I’m amazed more of them haven’t crashed in the woods…. I see them in the Walmart all the time, its fishy as hell man! They come on a big bus and they’re always wearin those pilotin outfits even at Walmart! They never speak to anyone, not even each other, when I do hear em talkin to each other its in some kind of weird kung fu type speech, I don’t know what the hell they’re saying! I think they’re plotting something….. some 9/11 kamikaze type stuff! The spooks should check it out, I doubt they will though, they’re probably in on it too….
    Damn Chinese buffets popping up everywhere! Everyday I see sign looking for lost cats and dogs on the roadsigns. They’re everywhere! I think the Chinese are abducting them and putting them on the buffet!
    Trump should have Sessions check this out pronto… they’re terrible pilots, how can they see with they’re eyes halfway closed???

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    BEST COMMENT EVAR!

    Man, Unz Review commenters can be really funny (intentionally or unintentionally)...

    A pilot kidnapped a foreign student and tried to deport him to China, police say


    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/true-crime/wp/2018/05/27/a-pilot-kidnapped-a-foreign-student-and-tried-to-deport-him-back-to-china-police-say/

    Flight school employees allegedly tried to deport student to China

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SurfFzhiSrk
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  93. Biff says:
    @DB Cooper
    Talking about hate I remember some prominent Japanese have said US business leaders are inferior :

    http://articles.latimes.com/1992-01-26/news/mn-1463_1_american-business

    and American workers are lazy and illiterate :

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1992/01/23/tokyo-party-leader-grim-over-us-ties/a9cd4c2a-9732-4a66-96fd-0eb39ebe1e42/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.ba9ce3f8dd0e

    I don't know how common is this sentiment but I am pretty sure underneath the facade of politeness Japanese hate Americans. Anti-Americans sentiment in Japan dates back to the 1920s. This denigration against the Americans is just a manifestation of this hatred expressed in an oblique manner. Japan has been milking the atomic bombing victimhood continuously for the past seventy years. And who nuked them?

    and American workers are lazy and illiterate :

    Funny thing, back in 91 in the U.S. my Asian wife worked in a Factory, in a production line, and she used to come home, and almost on a daily bases I would have to hear “Americans are lazy!” Then, as your link points out, in Jan. of 92, the press took note of that Japanese tycoon saying the same thing. Dan Rather goes on air repeating what I’ve been hearing for years, and the whole country goes into an uproar.
    If you remember the debate went on for nine months to a year with people(Americans) affirming “I work hard dammit!”
    I found the whole episode quite hilarious.

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    I see no benefit whatsoever in working hard for the sake of working hard or being proud of being an exploited wage slave.
    , @Anon
    Western Europeans work fewer hours and produce the most.
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  94. If Trump’s vision of world disorder is a sign of the American future and if Beijing’s projected $2 trillion in infrastructure investments, history’s largest by far, succeed in unifying the commerce and transport of Asia, Africa and Europe, then perhaps the currents of financial power and global leadership will indeed transcend all barriers and flow inexorably toward Beijing, as if by natural law.

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  95. FKA Max says: • Website
    @redmudhooch
    I live south of Atlanta - theres this small airport nearby, very small town, the airport and a huddle house is about all there is...... Theres a whole mini Chinese town taking shape over there, theres this old roach motel, old truck stop hooker networking type shack..anyhow.. the Chinese are filled to the brim in the motel, thats where they all stay. They converted it to like a Chinese dorm place for them, the Chinese are being trained to pilot at the airport across the street. I see em flyin round all the time, looks like they're training to be kamikazes! Doing all types of fast dives and corkskrews! I'm amazed more of them haven't crashed in the woods.... I see them in the Walmart all the time, its fishy as hell man! They come on a big bus and they're always wearin those pilotin outfits even at Walmart! They never speak to anyone, not even each other, when I do hear em talkin to each other its in some kind of weird kung fu type speech, I don't know what the hell they're saying! I think they're plotting something..... some 9/11 kamikaze type stuff! The spooks should check it out, I doubt they will though, they're probably in on it too....
    Damn Chinese buffets popping up everywhere! Everyday I see sign looking for lost cats and dogs on the roadsigns. They're everywhere! I think the Chinese are abducting them and putting them on the buffet!
    Trump should have Sessions check this out pronto... they're terrible pilots, how can they see with they're eyes halfway closed???

    BEST COMMENT EVAR!

    Man, Unz Review commenters can be really funny (intentionally or unintentionally)…

    A pilot kidnapped a foreign student and tried to deport him to China, police say

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/true-crime/wp/2018/05/27/a-pilot-kidnapped-a-foreign-student-and-tried-to-deport-him-back-to-china-police-say/

    Flight school employees allegedly tried to deport student to China

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  96. Malla says:
    @Colin Wright
    '...Unlike their predecessors they aren’t going into the third world with any intention of bringing Christ or Cricket to the natives, or teaching them to speak French and think of themselves as universal citizens of the Empire. Wisely; they’re just there for the loot.'

    Yeah -- but we more or less started out that way. Look up 'dollar diplomacy.' It wasn't until President Wilson that we started injecting morality into every transaction -- and it wasn't until the Cold War that we actually started seeking to determine events globally.

    The same, incidentally, could be said to at least some extent of British colonialism. The East India Company was very frankly in it all for the money, and -- again -- it wasn't until the middle of the nineteenth century that Britain started treating her empire as anything more than a way of making money. Notice the relative willingness with which she had earlier parted with the American colonies -- 'nuts to this; it isn't paying.' It really doesn't seem to have been much of a blow to her self-esteem at all.

    So China now may be in it for a quick buck. It remains to be seen if that's still the case fifty years from now. Who knows what sense of global mission they'll have acquired by then.

    The primary reason may be commercial but there always was a moral, civilizing motive. If not, how do you explain this?

    Bengal Sati Regulation, 1829

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengal_Sati_Regulation,_1829

    The Bengal Sati Regulation,[nb 1] or Regulation XVII, A. D. 1829 of the Bengal Code was a legal act promulgated in British India under East India Company rule, by the then Governor-General Lord William Bentinck, which made the practice of sati or suttee—or the immolation of a Hindu widow on the funeral pyre of her deceased husband—illegal in all jurisdictions of British India and subject to prosecution.

    Female Infanticide Prevention Act, 1870

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_Infanticide_Prevention_Act,_1870

    The Female Infanticide Prevention Act, 1870,[1] also Act VIII of 1870 was a legislative act passed in British India, to prevent murder of female infants. The Section 7 of this Act declared that it was initially applicable only to the territories of Oudh, North-Western Provinces and Punjab, but the Act authorized the Governor General to extend the law to any other district or province of the British Raj at his discretion.[2]
    The law authorized the creation of a police force to maintain birth, marriage and death registers, to conduct census of the district at its discretion, enforce a special tax on the district to pay for the expenses and entertainment of said police officers.[2] The Act also stipulated a prison sentence of six months or a fine of thirty thousand rupees, or both, on anyone who disobeyed or obstructed the police officers enforcing the Act.[4] Section 6 of the Act allowed the police officer to seize a child from any person he suspects may neglect or endanger any female child, as well as force collect a monthly fee from that person.[5]

    Hindu Widows’ Remarriage Act, 1856

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_Widows%27_Remarriage_Act,_1856

    The Hindu Widows’ Remarriage Act, 1856, also Act XV, 1856, enacted on 26 July 1856, legalise the remarriage of Hindu widows in all jurisdictions of India under East India Company rule.[1]
    To protect what it considered family honour and family property, upper-caste Hindu society had long disallowed the remarriage of widows, even child and adolescent ones, all of whom were expected to live a life of austerity and abnegation.[2] The Hindu Widows’ Remarriage Act of 1856, enacted in response to the campaign of Pandit Ishwar Chandra Vidyasagar,[3] provided legal safeguards against loss of certain forms of inheritance for a remarrying Hindu widow,[2] though, under the Act, the widow forsook any inheritance due her from her deceased husband.[4]Especially targeted in the act were Hindu child widows whose husbands had died before consummation of marriage.[5]

    Age of Consent Act, 1891

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_Consent_Act,_1891

    The Age of Consent Act, 1891, also Act X of 1891, was a legislation enacted in British India on 19 March 1891 which raised the age of consent for sexual intercourse for all girls, married or unmarried, from ten to twelve years in all jurisdictions, its violation subject to criminal prosecution as rape.[1][nb 1] The act was an amendment of the Indian Penal Code and Code of Criminal Procedure, Section 375, 1882, (“Of Rape”),[nb 2] and was introduced as a bill on 9 January 1891 by Sir Andrew Scoble in the Legislative Council of the Governor-General of India in Calcutta.[2] It was debated the same day and opposed by council member Sir Romesh Chunder Mitter (from Bengal) on the grounds that it interfered with orthodox Hindu code, but supported by council member Rao Bahadur Krishnaji Lakshman Nulkar (from Bombay) and by the President of the council, the Governor-General and Viceroy Lord Lansdowne.[2][3][nb 3] While an 1880 case in a Bombay high court by a child-bride, Rukhmabai, renewed discussion of such a law, the death of an eleven-year-old Bengali girl, Phulomnee, due to forceful intercourse by her 35-year-old husband in 1889, necessitated intervention by the British.[4] The act was passed in 1891. It received support from Indian reformers such as Behramji Malabari and women social organisations. The law was never seriously enforced and it is argued that the real effect of the law was reassertion of Hindu patriarchal control over domestic issues as a nationalistic cause.

    Indian Slavery Act, 1843

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Slavery_Act,_1843

    The Indian Slavery Act, 1843, also Act V of 1843, was an act passed in British India under East India Company rule, which outlawed many economic transactions associated with slavery. The sale of any person as a slave was banned, and anyone buying or selling slaves would be booked under the Indian Penal Code, with offence carrying strict punishment

    Child Marriage Restraint Act

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_Marriage_Restraint_ActChild

    Marriage Restraint Act 1929, passed on 28 September 1929 in the British India Legislature of India, fixed the age of marriage for girls at 14 years and boys at 18 years which was later amended to 18 for girls and 21 for boys. It is popularly known as the Sarda Act, after its sponsor Harbilas Sarda. It came into effect six months later on April 1, 1930 and it applies to all of British India, not just to Hindus.[1][2][3] It was a result of social reform movement in India. The legislation was passed by the British Indian Government.[4]

    Ancient Monuments Preservation Act 1904

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Monuments_Preservation_Act_1904

    The Ancient Monuments Preservation Act, 1904 was passed in 18, March 1904 by British India during the times of Lord Curzon. it is expedient to provide for the preservation of ancient monuments, for the exercise of control over traffic in antiquities and over excavation in certain places, and for the protection and acquisition in certain cases of ancient monuments and of objects of archaeological, historical or artistic interest. Act preserves and restores ancient Indian monuments by Archaeological Survey of India.

    Hindu Inheritance (Removal of Disabilities) Act, 1928 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_Inheritance_(Removal_of_Disabilities)_Act,_1928
    The Hindu Inheritance (Removal of Disabilities) Act, 1928 was enacted to abolish the exclusion from inheritance of certain classes of heirs, and to remove certain doubts regarding their ability to inherit property. The Act specifies that persons who are diseased, deformed or physically or mentally handicapped cannot be disqualified from their right to own or share joint-family property unless the law specifies otherwise.

    Punjab Land Alienation Act, 1900

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punjab_Land_Alienation_Act,_1900

    The advent of British rule in India had led to a trend whereby ownership rights to land were increasingly concentrated in the hands of urban moneylenders and other commercial communities among the Hindu population. They were assigned the property previously held by poor peasants, who either sold or mortgaged for the short-term benefit derived from the increasing values of land caused by improved agricultural methods, irrigation and communications. Such transfers were enforceable under law but, in British eyes, potentially damaging to their colonial administration because they might ultimately result in a disaffected rural peasant population. British law was effectively supporting the growth of a class of people — the new owners — that might prove detrimental to its own purpose. In addition, historian Kenneth Jones says that the transfers were contrary to British sentiments: “Not only did this development threaten the stability and peace of the Punjab, it also struck at the British self-image of benevolent and paternalistic protectors of the lowly peasant”.

    What commercial benefits do the above bring?
    And how about starting institutes to research and preserve Ancient Indian Culture. What commercial benefit would it bring the East India Company?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sanskrit_College_and_University

    Sanskrit College and University (erstwhile Sanskrit College) is a specialized state-government administered Liberal Arts University offering an undergraduate degree in Sanskrit language, Pali language, Linguistics and ancient Indian and world history.[1][2] It is one of the affiliated colleges of the University of Calcutta. Founded on 1 January 1824, Sanskrit College, is one of the oldest educational institutions in the subcontinent.[3] It is a traditional college that specializes in the scholarship of Indian tradition, philosophy and religion. It is located on College Street in central Kolkata. Its centrality is heightened by its proximity to Hindu School, Presidency College, Kolkata, the University of Calcutta, and the Indian Coffee House. It was established during the Governor-Generalship of Lord Amherst, based on a recommendation by HT James Prinsep and Thomas Babington Macaulay among others. The great Indian Hindu thinker from Bengal Ishvar Chandra Vidyasagar came from this college.

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    'The primary reason may be commercial but there always was a moral, civilizing motive. If not, how do you explain this?'

    You seem to be arguing with something I didn't say. Actually, you want to go into rhapsodies about the virtues of British India, I'm your man.
    , @Jeff Stryker
    What about the massacre of Armristar?
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  97. Iris says:
    @Random Smartaleck

    The great difference, as an African leader said, is that the Chinese do not act as though they are superior beings; they treat Africans as equals.
     
    We will see if that continues when the loans come due and Africans are unable to pay them back.

    “We will see if that continues when the loans come due and Africans are unable to pay them back”

    Chinese economic deals in Africa are based on a bartering system, infrastructure against commodities. They are win-win deals, unlike the loans made by Western financial institutions to “help” Africa, which are designed as ever-lasting rent extraction schemes.

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  98. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says:

    Mikhail Khodorkovsky Is The Missing Piece To A Globalist Jigsaw Puzzle Of Power

    https://www.real.video/5825582151001

    https://www.real.video/channel/infowarsnetwork

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  99. Yee says:

    peterAUS,

    “It will probably decay due to several issues, but not so quickly.”

    I’m not so sure.

    If the US collapse quickly, the next world hegemony will be EU not China. Because China is not ready to take over (assuming China intend to take over), the author already detailed on this, which is true.

    Keep in mind that the western world is owned by the capitalist class, there’s a very good chance they’d rather hand over world hegemony to EU and move their capital to re-settle in Europe. Just like they moved from Europe to America in the past.

    It would’t surprise me at all if they deliberately arranged a quick collapse of the US, even better for them, to arrange a war with China to kill off a competitor.

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    If the US collapse quickly, the next world hegemony will be EU not China.
     
    I agree.

    I would even go so far as to say that Europe has already overtaken or is ahead of the U.S. in terms of innovation ( "The U.S. Drops Out of the Top 10 in Innovation Ranking" https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-01-22/south-korea-tops-global-innovation-ranking-again-as-u-s-falls ), technological sophistication ( see "robot density" particularly in Germany http://www.unz.com/article/beijings-bid-for-global-power-in-the-age-of-trump/#comment-2476791 ) ,

    Robot density is (still) the highest in Europe

    http://www.hannovermesse.de/en/news/robot-density-is-still-the-highest-in-europe-71552.xhtml

    https://ifr.org/img/uploads/Robot_density_by_country_page_1.jpg

    and in many other fields:

    "Remember the Golden Rule! Whoever has the gold, makes the rules!" - https://economicsociology.org/2015/08/28/remember-the-golden-rule-whoever-has-the-gold-makes-the-rules/

    Graph #1: Official Gold Reserves in Tonnes

    United States vs Europe vs BRICS countries

    https://www.goldbroker.com/media/image/cms/media/images/gold-european-union/gold-reserves-united-states-europe-brics-countries.png

    Source: https://www.goldbroker.com/news/gold-european-union-532 Archived link: http://archive.is/Q7QCE

    , @Jeff Stryker
    YEE

    I'm not sure the EU is quite the economic powerhouse capable of that.
    , @Malla
    That is a good possibility but the way things look, I think Europe is been set up for a future civil war in between the native Europeans and Muslim infiltrators. Non natives, non Muslims (Hindus, Christian blacks, Sikhs, East Asians etc...) would either flee or would have to chose sides.
    Maybe the Russians will have to be called in to impose order in Western Europe in the future.
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  100. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alfa158
    “exploited by self-aggrandizing allies, battered by unequal trade terms, threatened by tides of undocumented immigrants, and betrayed by self-serving elites too timid or compromised to defend the nation’s interests.”
    And...what part of that is wrong?

    We can forget about China becoming the next global hegemon, they’re too smart and self interested for that. They have seen how global empire and colonialism bankrupted, destroyed, and reverse colonized with colonial subjects the countries of the previous hegemons. The trillions of dollars they are investing outside China are not to build a traditional empire, but to install the infrastructure and institutions needed to guarantee control of world wide natural resources and energy, and develop world markets for their businesses. Unlike their predecessors they aren’t going into the third world with any intention of bringing Christ or Cricket to the natives, or teaching them to speak French and think of themselves as universal citizens of the Empire. Wisely; they’re just there for the loot.

    In other words, The Chinese Empire will be like the Roman and Turkish ones. The Empire will be run for the benefit of the people of the Empire, not the people of the colonies.

    What a concept.

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    VISIT THE PHILIPPINES

    Look at the Philippines or Indonesia, owned by 10 Fuji Chinese family cartels.

    You'll get a good look at how the US (Or more relevantly Australia or New Zealand) will look when run by the Chinese.

    No slice of pie for the Natives.

    Pray that the Western plutocracy stays white.
    , @Alfa158
    The Romans were nothing if not pragmatic. After decades of intermittent war the Romans finally defeated the Parthian Empire. After sacking the capital they balanced off the income from occupying the territory ( basically what is today Iraq, Iran and Afghanistan) against the costs, figured out that it would be hard to break even financially, and pulled out. In those days it was hard to have a consistent level of taxation needed to conduct extensive wars, so expansionary wars were expected to return a profit.
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  101. @Random Smartaleck

    The great difference, as an African leader said, is that the Chinese do not act as though they are superior beings; they treat Africans as equals.
     
    We will see if that continues when the loans come due and Africans are unable to pay them back.

    No one expects them to pay it back.

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  102. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist
    The great difference, as an African leader said, is that the Chinese do not act as though they are superior beings; they treat Africans as equals. I don't know if the author of this article realises just how much we in the rest of the world despise American behaviour; the Amerikastani fetish of "exceptionalism" is enough to ensure that given the choice, any normal person would support *anyone* opposed to America. The Chinese don't have to impose their rule by guns and corporations and puppet rulers like the Amerikastanis do. They just have to be not American, and that is good enough.

    If the Africans think the Chinese believe they are equals then Africans are gullible and dumb.

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    If the Africans are being treated as equals then what the Chinese may or may not think is of little importance.
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  103. kauchai says:
    @Colin Wright
    I think China has some features that could prove to be crippling.

    For one, her economy does rely very heavily on exports. This spells instant catastrophe in the event of trade war or global economic meltdown. Trump isn't handling his trade war with China very adroitly; someone else at some point may.

    For another, Chinese are congenitally corrupt. It's just too damned easy to bribe someone; and this in turn makes it very hard to move goods and money around efficiently.

    For a third, the country is a plutocracy on a scale that makes America look like an exercise in economic egalitarianism. Try looking up the number of billionaires with seats in the Chinese Congress of People's Deputies; then compare to the US (in which average individual wealth remains many times greater than it is in China.) China is run by the rich. That's not necessarily a problem; but in the case of China, the disparity lacks an ideological foundation.

    That's a recipe for trouble. Revolutions notoriously occur when rising expectations are frustrated. The first serious hiccup, and every Chinese peasant, factory worker, and low-level engineer is likely to take to the streets. There's nothing to say they shouldn't.

    Now none of this may come true, or China may be able to triumph over any difficulties along these lines. On the other hand, she may not. I wouldn't put my retirement funds into China bonds.

    LOL! LOL! LOL!

    I wish the empire and the entire western hemisphere would be populated by ignoramus like this guy that parrot their echo chamber media verbatim. With people like him, the empire’s demise is assured and accelerated. Keep up the “good” work.

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  104. FKA Max says: • Website
    @Yee
    peterAUS,

    "It will probably decay due to several issues, but not so quickly."

    I'm not so sure.

    If the US collapse quickly, the next world hegemony will be EU not China. Because China is not ready to take over (assuming China intend to take over), the author already detailed on this, which is true.

    Keep in mind that the western world is owned by the capitalist class, there's a very good chance they'd rather hand over world hegemony to EU and move their capital to re-settle in Europe. Just like they moved from Europe to America in the past.

    It would't surprise me at all if they deliberately arranged a quick collapse of the US, even better for them, to arrange a war with China to kill off a competitor.

    If the US collapse quickly, the next world hegemony will be EU not China.

    I agree.

    I would even go so far as to say that Europe has already overtaken or is ahead of the U.S. in terms of innovation ( “The U.S. Drops Out of the Top 10 in Innovation Ranking” https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-01-22/south-korea-tops-global-innovation-ranking-again-as-u-s-falls ), technological sophistication ( see “robot density” particularly in Germany http://www.unz.com/article/beijings-bid-for-global-power-in-the-age-of-trump/#comment-2476791 ) ,

    Robot density is (still) the highest in Europe

    http://www.hannovermesse.de/en/news/robot-density-is-still-the-highest-in-europe-71552.xhtml


    and in many other fields:

    “Remember the Golden Rule! Whoever has the gold, makes the rules!”https://economicsociology.org/2015/08/28/remember-the-golden-rule-whoever-has-the-gold-makes-the-rules/

    Graph #1: Official Gold Reserves in Tonnes

    United States vs Europe vs BRICS countries

    Source: https://www.goldbroker.com/news/gold-european-union-532 Archived link: http://archive.is/Q7QCE

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    During the 2008-2009 financial crisis Europe was actually temporarily richer than the U.S. because continental Europeans invest less heavily in the stock market than Americans/Anglos do:

    One reason is the region's heavy investment in shares: North America still has the highest proportion of wealth held in equities, according to Boston Consulting... - https://www.forbes.com/2009/09/15/europe-richest-region-markets-economy-assets.html

    National wealth can fluctuate, as evidenced in the United States data following the 2008 financial crisis and subsequent economic recovery. During periods when equity markets experienced strong growth, the relative national and per capita wealth of the countries where people are more exposed on those markets, such as the United States and United Kingdom, tend to rise. On the other hand, when equity markets are depressed, the relative wealth the countries where people invest more in real estate or bonds, such as France and Italy, tend to rise instead. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_wealth

    This is also a good article on this topic:

    Is Europe outperforming the US?


    From 2006 to 2013 Germany and the U.S. both recorded an average GDP per capita growth rate of 1.1%. Germany’s ability to convert growth into economic wellbeing was equivalent to an economy growing at an average rate of 6.2%, while the U.S. managed a measly average rate of just 0.5%. Improvements in health services, affordable education and good public transportation have immediate benefits for citizens’ lives.

    Figure 2 shows the transformative power of these gains, and offers another insight into how the euro area is actually outperforming the U.S. We could go yet another level deeper and unearth how wealth creation has benefitted different slices of the population. Take the bottom 90% of earners in a country.

    If we look at growth in real average income for this group over the period 1950-2013, its real wage income grew some 70% in the U.S., dwarfed by gains of 150% in Italy and the United Kingdom and of a whopping 250% in France and Germany. This means that belonging to the “bottom 90%” in Europe is much better than in the U.S.
     
    - https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2015/10/is-europe-outperforming-the-us/ Archived link: http://archive.is/mhArv

    Europeans are also extremely productive per hours worked. South Koreans, for example, work 800 hours more per year than Germans https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Working_time#Average_annual_hours_actually_worked_per_worker :

    The World’s Most Productive People

    https://i1.wp.com/conorneill.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/countryproductivity_3-0624.png

    Source: https://conorneill.com/2018/01/24/the-worlds-most-productive-people/
    , @Andrei Martyanov
    You should have tried at least something fresher, like July of 2018?

    http://usfunds.com/investor-library/frank-talk/top-10-countries-with-largest-gold-reserves/#.W38LvNwnaUk

    Plus, of course, there is such a tricky thing called paper gold--and that is where a lot of this gold "statistics" get a bit tangled.
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  105. kauchai says:
    @lulu
    Guess CNN/NYT/WaPo would not tell you that out of the total 2980 representatives of National People's Congress (NPC) for the 13th NPC in 2018:

    - 468 aka 15.7% are workers (from assembly lines, construction sites, retails, etc.) and peasants, doctors and teachers, etc. from the villages.

    - 438 aka 14.70% are minority representatives, who represent 55 ethnical minorities in China.

    - 742 aka 24.90% are women.

    - 1011 aka 33.93% are party members from village level to the top power echelon; 1% decrease compared last time.

    20.57% all the NPC representatives, are professionals (technicians/engineers/doctors/ teachers/policemen/firefighters, etc.).

    I doubt that you have this wide range of representatives in US congress and senate. Is there any assembly line worker who made it to congress or senate in US?

    MSM probably would not show you who these representatives of NPC really are: https://mbd.baidu.com/newspage/data/landingsuper?context=%7B%22nid%22%3A%22news_11299700714721736381%22%7D&n_type=1&p_from=4. Equally it would not tell you what these representatives would bring in their drafts related to the specific industry/county/village/county/city/province they represent.

    For example, Lei Gongzhu, a village doctor from Hubei province, who wanted to talk about illness-induced poverty issues. Another NPC representative Zhou Shaun, a party member from a remote village in Guizhou province, would like to talk how to improve the peasants' standard of living by growing and selling tea via co-op.

    In comparison, billionaires do not account for 1% of the total NPC. Each of them has just one vote as every worker or peasant or minority representative does. To call China plutocracy just shows how misinformed you are.

    Yes, the rich Chinese are pushing hard to adopt the American (plutocracy) systems in China in order to legalise bribery, to exploit the poor without hinderance, and to steal/strip the national assets without any punishment. They can't realize their "sweet dream" so long CPC is in power. That's why the Western ruling class aka globalists/establishment/deep-state plus MSM are in cabal with rich Chinese to smear and discredit Chinese government with every possible way they can.

    ” Yes, the rich Chinese are pushing hard to adopt the American (plutocracy) systems in China in order to legalise bribery, to exploit the poor without hinderance, and to steal/strip the national assets without any punishment.”

    The most recent example is Hong Kong’s richest man, Li Ka-shing who absconded with billions to set up shop in the UK after Hu Jintao and XJP came to power. Land were handed to him on a platter during china’s heydays of opening up with a mere promise of development in exchange. And he had the gall to want to appoint his own man to be HK’s chief executive but was shot down by beijing when Leung chun-ying was appointed instead.

    ” …2980 representatives of National People’s Congress (NPC) for the 13th NPC in 2018:..”

    If abraham lincoln was alive, he would shed tears when he realized the composition of the above. It is truly a government by the people and for the people and definitely not by the 1% for the 1%.

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  106. @Malla
    The primary reason may be commercial but there always was a moral, civilizing motive. If not, how do you explain this?

    Bengal Sati Regulation, 1829
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengal_Sati_Regulation,_1829
    The Bengal Sati Regulation,[nb 1] or Regulation XVII, A. D. 1829 of the Bengal Code was a legal act promulgated in British India under East India Company rule, by the then Governor-General Lord William Bentinck, which made the practice of sati or suttee—or the immolation of a Hindu widow on the funeral pyre of her deceased husband—illegal in all jurisdictions of British India and subject to prosecution.

    Female Infanticide Prevention Act, 1870
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_Infanticide_Prevention_Act,_1870
    The Female Infanticide Prevention Act, 1870,[1] also Act VIII of 1870 was a legislative act passed in British India, to prevent murder of female infants. The Section 7 of this Act declared that it was initially applicable only to the territories of Oudh, North-Western Provinces and Punjab, but the Act authorized the Governor General to extend the law to any other district or province of the British Raj at his discretion.[2]
    The law authorized the creation of a police force to maintain birth, marriage and death registers, to conduct census of the district at its discretion, enforce a special tax on the district to pay for the expenses and entertainment of said police officers.[2] The Act also stipulated a prison sentence of six months or a fine of thirty thousand rupees, or both, on anyone who disobeyed or obstructed the police officers enforcing the Act.[4] Section 6 of the Act allowed the police officer to seize a child from any person he suspects may neglect or endanger any female child, as well as force collect a monthly fee from that person.[5]

    Hindu Widows' Remarriage Act, 1856
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_Widows%27_Remarriage_Act,_1856
    The Hindu Widows' Remarriage Act, 1856, also Act XV, 1856, enacted on 26 July 1856, legalise the remarriage of Hindu widows in all jurisdictions of India under East India Company rule.[1]
    To protect what it considered family honour and family property, upper-caste Hindu society had long disallowed the remarriage of widows, even child and adolescent ones, all of whom were expected to live a life of austerity and abnegation.[2] The Hindu Widows' Remarriage Act of 1856, enacted in response to the campaign of Pandit Ishwar Chandra Vidyasagar,[3] provided legal safeguards against loss of certain forms of inheritance for a remarrying Hindu widow,[2] though, under the Act, the widow forsook any inheritance due her from her deceased husband.[4]Especially targeted in the act were Hindu child widows whose husbands had died before consummation of marriage.[5]

    Age of Consent Act, 1891
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_Consent_Act,_1891
    The Age of Consent Act, 1891, also Act X of 1891, was a legislation enacted in British India on 19 March 1891 which raised the age of consent for sexual intercourse for all girls, married or unmarried, from ten to twelve years in all jurisdictions, its violation subject to criminal prosecution as rape.[1][nb 1] The act was an amendment of the Indian Penal Code and Code of Criminal Procedure, Section 375, 1882, ("Of Rape"),[nb 2] and was introduced as a bill on 9 January 1891 by Sir Andrew Scoble in the Legislative Council of the Governor-General of India in Calcutta.[2] It was debated the same day and opposed by council member Sir Romesh Chunder Mitter (from Bengal) on the grounds that it interfered with orthodox Hindu code, but supported by council member Rao Bahadur Krishnaji Lakshman Nulkar (from Bombay) and by the President of the council, the Governor-General and Viceroy Lord Lansdowne.[2][3][nb 3] While an 1880 case in a Bombay high court by a child-bride, Rukhmabai, renewed discussion of such a law, the death of an eleven-year-old Bengali girl, Phulomnee, due to forceful intercourse by her 35-year-old husband in 1889, necessitated intervention by the British.[4] The act was passed in 1891. It received support from Indian reformers such as Behramji Malabari and women social organisations. The law was never seriously enforced and it is argued that the real effect of the law was reassertion of Hindu patriarchal control over domestic issues as a nationalistic cause.

    Indian Slavery Act, 1843
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Slavery_Act,_1843
    The Indian Slavery Act, 1843, also Act V of 1843, was an act passed in British India under East India Company rule, which outlawed many economic transactions associated with slavery. The sale of any person as a slave was banned, and anyone buying or selling slaves would be booked under the Indian Penal Code, with offence carrying strict punishment

    Child Marriage Restraint Act
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_Marriage_Restraint_ActChild
    Marriage Restraint Act 1929, passed on 28 September 1929 in the British India Legislature of India, fixed the age of marriage for girls at 14 years and boys at 18 years which was later amended to 18 for girls and 21 for boys. It is popularly known as the Sarda Act, after its sponsor Harbilas Sarda. It came into effect six months later on April 1, 1930 and it applies to all of British India, not just to Hindus.[1][2][3] It was a result of social reform movement in India. The legislation was passed by the British Indian Government.[4]

    Ancient Monuments Preservation Act 1904
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Monuments_Preservation_Act_1904
    The Ancient Monuments Preservation Act, 1904 was passed in 18, March 1904 by British India during the times of Lord Curzon. it is expedient to provide for the preservation of ancient monuments, for the exercise of control over traffic in antiquities and over excavation in certain places, and for the protection and acquisition in certain cases of ancient monuments and of objects of archaeological, historical or artistic interest. Act preserves and restores ancient Indian monuments by Archaeological Survey of India.

    Hindu Inheritance (Removal of Disabilities) Act, 1928 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_Inheritance_(Removal_of_Disabilities)_Act,_1928
    The Hindu Inheritance (Removal of Disabilities) Act, 1928 was enacted to abolish the exclusion from inheritance of certain classes of heirs, and to remove certain doubts regarding their ability to inherit property. The Act specifies that persons who are diseased, deformed or physically or mentally handicapped cannot be disqualified from their right to own or share joint-family property unless the law specifies otherwise.

    Punjab Land Alienation Act, 1900
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punjab_Land_Alienation_Act,_1900
    The advent of British rule in India had led to a trend whereby ownership rights to land were increasingly concentrated in the hands of urban moneylenders and other commercial communities among the Hindu population. They were assigned the property previously held by poor peasants, who either sold or mortgaged for the short-term benefit derived from the increasing values of land caused by improved agricultural methods, irrigation and communications. Such transfers were enforceable under law but, in British eyes, potentially damaging to their colonial administration because they might ultimately result in a disaffected rural peasant population. British law was effectively supporting the growth of a class of people — the new owners — that might prove detrimental to its own purpose. In addition, historian Kenneth Jones says that the transfers were contrary to British sentiments: "Not only did this development threaten the stability and peace of the Punjab, it also struck at the British self-image of benevolent and paternalistic protectors of the lowly peasant".

    What commercial benefits do the above bring?
    And how about starting institutes to research and preserve Ancient Indian Culture. What commercial benefit would it bring the East India Company?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sanskrit_College_and_University
    Sanskrit College and University (erstwhile Sanskrit College) is a specialized state-government administered Liberal Arts University offering an undergraduate degree in Sanskrit language, Pali language, Linguistics and ancient Indian and world history.[1][2] It is one of the affiliated colleges of the University of Calcutta. Founded on 1 January 1824, Sanskrit College, is one of the oldest educational institutions in the subcontinent.[3] It is a traditional college that specializes in the scholarship of Indian tradition, philosophy and religion. It is located on College Street in central Kolkata. Its centrality is heightened by its proximity to Hindu School, Presidency College, Kolkata, the University of Calcutta, and the Indian Coffee House. It was established during the Governor-Generalship of Lord Amherst, based on a recommendation by HT James Prinsep and Thomas Babington Macaulay among others. The great Indian Hindu thinker from Bengal Ishvar Chandra Vidyasagar came from this college.

    ‘The primary reason may be commercial but there always was a moral, civilizing motive. If not, how do you explain this?’

    You seem to be arguing with something I didn’t say. Actually, you want to go into rhapsodies about the virtues of British India, I’m your man.

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    Sorry I misunderstood.
    , @Malla

    Actually, you want to go into rhapsodies about the virtues of British India, I’m your man.
     
    Hey maybe you should check out this book.
    Mother India by Catherine Mayo
    http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks03/0300811h.html
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  107. Peasant says:
    @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist
    The great difference, as an African leader said, is that the Chinese do not act as though they are superior beings; they treat Africans as equals. I don't know if the author of this article realises just how much we in the rest of the world despise American behaviour; the Amerikastani fetish of "exceptionalism" is enough to ensure that given the choice, any normal person would support *anyone* opposed to America. The Chinese don't have to impose their rule by guns and corporations and puppet rulers like the Amerikastanis do. They just have to be not American, and that is good enough.

    ‘The great difference, as an African leader said, is that the Chinese do not act as though they are superior beings; they treat Africans as equals.’

    Aside from the fact that this is how all empires start (start off being freindly with trade etc eventually move in and take over) if blacks are dumb enough to believe (and they surely are) that the people with the worlds oldest civilisation do not view them as savages then they deserve what will come. The chinaman has no love for the blacks (and also no White/colonial guilt) and the comment about how they do not look down on them says more about the Africans inferiority complex vs the west then it does about the Chinese. the Chinese are famously inscrutable.

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    The West did not start off being friendly with African, American, or Australian natives. They saw weakness and exploited right from the start.

    Who cares what the Chinese think of Africans. In a trade you do not need to like or admire (or in the case of the west pretend to admire) your trading partner.

    Money is exchanged for goods. And Africans will enjoy getting something for something instead of getting nothing for something like they are getting from the west.
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  108. Vidi says:
    @Godfree Roberts
    1. "For one, her economy does rely very heavily on exports"? Far from it! China is below world average in her export dependency, below even Canada. And less than half as dependent as Germany.\\

    2. "Chinese are congenitally corrupt"? Again, the opposite is the case. China is the world's most trusting society and its government is the world's most trusted.

    3. China "is a plutocracy on a scale that makes America look like an exercise in economic egalitarianism"? Far from it. On July 1, 2021, every Chinese will have a home, a job, plenty of food, education, safe streets, health and old age care. On that day there will be more poor, hungry and imprisoned people in America than in China. Not relatively, not per capita. In absolute numbers.

    I suggest putting your retirement funds into Chinese bonds. They're backed by the smartest people with the most honest government and strongest economy on earth.

    1. “For one, her economy does rely very heavily on exports”? Far from it! China is below world average in her export dependency, below even Canada. And less than half as dependent as Germany.

    I was surprised that Germany exported more than twice as much as China. But you are right. Some data from the World Bank:

    Country Year Exports (% GDP)
    Canada 2017 30.9 %
    China 2017 19.8 %
    Japan 2016 16.1 %
    Germany 2017 47.2 %
    UK 2017 30.5 %

    https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NE.EXP.GNFS.ZS

    (The page has data you can download.)

    I was stunned that Germany exported 47.2 percent of her GDP, as opposed to 19.8 percent for China. Almost as surprising (to me) is that the UK sends abroad about as much as Canada, and this means Brexit will be tough.

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  109. Vidi says:
    @Colin Wright
    '...Indeed, coups and revolutions most of the time happen when things are getting better, tsarist Russia, the Ottoman empire, are examples...'

    Black unrest in the Sixties comes to mind as well. They'd been led to believe that -- magically -- they were all going to become equal and start living the life whites led in their imagination. When it didn't happen, there was rioting coast to coast.

    People most generally revolt, not because of poverty or oppression per se, but when rising expectations aren't met. There can be other causes as well, of course -- just a large cohort of young people can do it -- but unmet expectations are a common spark.

    Then too, the status quo has to have an ideological underpinning. I recall reading of some late medieval peasant revolt. The king was able to subdue it simply by riding alone into the crowd. He was God's anointed, and it was unthinkable to defy him. The peasants literally fell to their knees and started begging for forgiveness.

    We have the shibboleth of elections. If someone won the vote, their right to rule is unquestionable. It's actually not much less arbitrary than the divine right of kings, but we accept it, and so it works.

    Can the plutocrats who rule China call on anything like that? What is the overpowering justification for their authority? When the going gets rocky, what happens? Recall here our Great Depression. Rough as it got, our faith in the democratic process was sufficient to pull us through without social collapse. Does China have anything like as strong an ideological underpinning?

    Can the plutocrats who rule China call on anything like [divine right of kings or democratic legitimacy]?

    The plutocrats don’t rule China. (If by “plutocrats” you mean billionaires.) The Communist Party runs the country.

    What is the overpowering justification for [the Chinese rulers'] authority?

    Two thousand years of Confucianism?

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  110. @Malla
    The primary reason may be commercial but there always was a moral, civilizing motive. If not, how do you explain this?

    Bengal Sati Regulation, 1829
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengal_Sati_Regulation,_1829
    The Bengal Sati Regulation,[nb 1] or Regulation XVII, A. D. 1829 of the Bengal Code was a legal act promulgated in British India under East India Company rule, by the then Governor-General Lord William Bentinck, which made the practice of sati or suttee—or the immolation of a Hindu widow on the funeral pyre of her deceased husband—illegal in all jurisdictions of British India and subject to prosecution.

    Female Infanticide Prevention Act, 1870
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_Infanticide_Prevention_Act,_1870
    The Female Infanticide Prevention Act, 1870,[1] also Act VIII of 1870 was a legislative act passed in British India, to prevent murder of female infants. The Section 7 of this Act declared that it was initially applicable only to the territories of Oudh, North-Western Provinces and Punjab, but the Act authorized the Governor General to extend the law to any other district or province of the British Raj at his discretion.[2]
    The law authorized the creation of a police force to maintain birth, marriage and death registers, to conduct census of the district at its discretion, enforce a special tax on the district to pay for the expenses and entertainment of said police officers.[2] The Act also stipulated a prison sentence of six months or a fine of thirty thousand rupees, or both, on anyone who disobeyed or obstructed the police officers enforcing the Act.[4] Section 6 of the Act allowed the police officer to seize a child from any person he suspects may neglect or endanger any female child, as well as force collect a monthly fee from that person.[5]

    Hindu Widows' Remarriage Act, 1856
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_Widows%27_Remarriage_Act,_1856
    The Hindu Widows' Remarriage Act, 1856, also Act XV, 1856, enacted on 26 July 1856, legalise the remarriage of Hindu widows in all jurisdictions of India under East India Company rule.[1]
    To protect what it considered family honour and family property, upper-caste Hindu society had long disallowed the remarriage of widows, even child and adolescent ones, all of whom were expected to live a life of austerity and abnegation.[2] The Hindu Widows' Remarriage Act of 1856, enacted in response to the campaign of Pandit Ishwar Chandra Vidyasagar,[3] provided legal safeguards against loss of certain forms of inheritance for a remarrying Hindu widow,[2] though, under the Act, the widow forsook any inheritance due her from her deceased husband.[4]Especially targeted in the act were Hindu child widows whose husbands had died before consummation of marriage.[5]

    Age of Consent Act, 1891
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_Consent_Act,_1891
    The Age of Consent Act, 1891, also Act X of 1891, was a legislation enacted in British India on 19 March 1891 which raised the age of consent for sexual intercourse for all girls, married or unmarried, from ten to twelve years in all jurisdictions, its violation subject to criminal prosecution as rape.[1][nb 1] The act was an amendment of the Indian Penal Code and Code of Criminal Procedure, Section 375, 1882, ("Of Rape"),[nb 2] and was introduced as a bill on 9 January 1891 by Sir Andrew Scoble in the Legislative Council of the Governor-General of India in Calcutta.[2] It was debated the same day and opposed by council member Sir Romesh Chunder Mitter (from Bengal) on the grounds that it interfered with orthodox Hindu code, but supported by council member Rao Bahadur Krishnaji Lakshman Nulkar (from Bombay) and by the President of the council, the Governor-General and Viceroy Lord Lansdowne.[2][3][nb 3] While an 1880 case in a Bombay high court by a child-bride, Rukhmabai, renewed discussion of such a law, the death of an eleven-year-old Bengali girl, Phulomnee, due to forceful intercourse by her 35-year-old husband in 1889, necessitated intervention by the British.[4] The act was passed in 1891. It received support from Indian reformers such as Behramji Malabari and women social organisations. The law was never seriously enforced and it is argued that the real effect of the law was reassertion of Hindu patriarchal control over domestic issues as a nationalistic cause.

    Indian Slavery Act, 1843
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Slavery_Act,_1843
    The Indian Slavery Act, 1843, also Act V of 1843, was an act passed in British India under East India Company rule, which outlawed many economic transactions associated with slavery. The sale of any person as a slave was banned, and anyone buying or selling slaves would be booked under the Indian Penal Code, with offence carrying strict punishment

    Child Marriage Restraint Act
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_Marriage_Restraint_ActChild
    Marriage Restraint Act 1929, passed on 28 September 1929 in the British India Legislature of India, fixed the age of marriage for girls at 14 years and boys at 18 years which was later amended to 18 for girls and 21 for boys. It is popularly known as the Sarda Act, after its sponsor Harbilas Sarda. It came into effect six months later on April 1, 1930 and it applies to all of British India, not just to Hindus.[1][2][3] It was a result of social reform movement in India. The legislation was passed by the British Indian Government.[4]

    Ancient Monuments Preservation Act 1904
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Monuments_Preservation_Act_1904
    The Ancient Monuments Preservation Act, 1904 was passed in 18, March 1904 by British India during the times of Lord Curzon. it is expedient to provide for the preservation of ancient monuments, for the exercise of control over traffic in antiquities and over excavation in certain places, and for the protection and acquisition in certain cases of ancient monuments and of objects of archaeological, historical or artistic interest. Act preserves and restores ancient Indian monuments by Archaeological Survey of India.

    Hindu Inheritance (Removal of Disabilities) Act, 1928 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_Inheritance_(Removal_of_Disabilities)_Act,_1928
    The Hindu Inheritance (Removal of Disabilities) Act, 1928 was enacted to abolish the exclusion from inheritance of certain classes of heirs, and to remove certain doubts regarding their ability to inherit property. The Act specifies that persons who are diseased, deformed or physically or mentally handicapped cannot be disqualified from their right to own or share joint-family property unless the law specifies otherwise.

    Punjab Land Alienation Act, 1900
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punjab_Land_Alienation_Act,_1900
    The advent of British rule in India had led to a trend whereby ownership rights to land were increasingly concentrated in the hands of urban moneylenders and other commercial communities among the Hindu population. They were assigned the property previously held by poor peasants, who either sold or mortgaged for the short-term benefit derived from the increasing values of land caused by improved agricultural methods, irrigation and communications. Such transfers were enforceable under law but, in British eyes, potentially damaging to their colonial administration because they might ultimately result in a disaffected rural peasant population. British law was effectively supporting the growth of a class of people — the new owners — that might prove detrimental to its own purpose. In addition, historian Kenneth Jones says that the transfers were contrary to British sentiments: "Not only did this development threaten the stability and peace of the Punjab, it also struck at the British self-image of benevolent and paternalistic protectors of the lowly peasant".

    What commercial benefits do the above bring?
    And how about starting institutes to research and preserve Ancient Indian Culture. What commercial benefit would it bring the East India Company?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sanskrit_College_and_University
    Sanskrit College and University (erstwhile Sanskrit College) is a specialized state-government administered Liberal Arts University offering an undergraduate degree in Sanskrit language, Pali language, Linguistics and ancient Indian and world history.[1][2] It is one of the affiliated colleges of the University of Calcutta. Founded on 1 January 1824, Sanskrit College, is one of the oldest educational institutions in the subcontinent.[3] It is a traditional college that specializes in the scholarship of Indian tradition, philosophy and religion. It is located on College Street in central Kolkata. Its centrality is heightened by its proximity to Hindu School, Presidency College, Kolkata, the University of Calcutta, and the Indian Coffee House. It was established during the Governor-Generalship of Lord Amherst, based on a recommendation by HT James Prinsep and Thomas Babington Macaulay among others. The great Indian Hindu thinker from Bengal Ishvar Chandra Vidyasagar came from this college.

    What about the massacre of Armristar?

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    It was a few rioters shot, not a massacre.
    , @Malla
    JULIANWALA BAUG

    Well where do we start about the Amritsar Massacre. When did the Amritsar Jalianwala Baug incident take place? 1919. Close to WW1. And this is for a reason. As you know WW1 pitted the British Empire, French Empire and the Russian Empire against the German Empire, Austro Hungarian Empire and the Ottoman Empire. Not only did wars take place in the fields of Europe but skirmishes took place outside Europe among the colonies. For example, many German colonies in Africa were conquered by the British. Similarly due the Zionist forces in the British government wanting Palestine, the British Empire fought the Ottoman Empire and the Arab holdings of the Ottoman Empire was lost. Remember Lawrence of Arabia. Many British Indian troops were involved in the Middle Eastern campaigns.
    Well the Turks and the Germans thought, 'Well if the British and French interfere in our Empires why should we not?'.
    Lets begin with the Turks. We had a strange dilemma here. What people do not realize is that the British Empire was the largest Islamic power in the world. This is because most Muslims of the world lived in this Empire, Indian subcontinent, Egypt, Malaysia etc... But the political head of the Muslims was the Caliph who was the Sultan of the Ottoman Empire. Very strange situation when you realize both the Empires were at war with one another. Well the Turks decided to send agents into Muslims colonies of the British Empire (India, Egypt) and French Empire (Algeria and North Africa in general) to rile up the masses in the name of the Caliph. This way Allied troops will have to be diverted in the colonies to keep the peace and thus they would be off the battle field. Thus in India we had the 'Kalifat movement' (Kalifat from Caliph, the Ottoman Emperor) where Muslims rioted in India resulting in the usual Hindu Muslim riots and killings. This Kalifat movement, shocked the Hindus and led to the creation of right winged Hindu organisations like the RSS (Rastriya Swayam Seva Sangh or National Self Help Organization) and VHP (Vishwa Hindu Parishad or World Hindu Council) in response to the Muslim riots . This mega fracturing in Hindu Muslim relations (which was never good but not THIS BAD) would eventually lead to the future partition of India into India and Pakistan. So the dumb action of the Turks in British India led to many serious ramifications in the future.
    Now we get the Germans. What many do not realize is that the Germans had built excellent networks in the British Empire especially India (and even Ireland, yes the Sinn Fein) with the aim to sabotage the British Empire. Well you cannot blame them because the Allies had attacked German colonies themselves, this was tit for tat. These deep networks within India originally built by German Imperial agents would be later used by another power, the Soviet Union, after the Germans lost interest after the war. The Soviet Union was hell bent on destroying the British Empire, Lenin said that the British Empire would be attacked at its extremities. But lets get back to the Germans whose actions led to the famous 'Hindu-German conspiracy' or the Gadar (traitor) party. Indeed the Kaiser of Germany sent letters to the royal families of India to switch their allegiance from the King Emperor of India (British Monarch) to the German Kaiser with the promise of a new German Indian Empire. Many Indian princes were interested and went to Germany but overall the Indian royal families (Hindu, Muslim and Buddhist) in general remained loyal to the Emperor. Indians working for the Germans tried to sabotage the British Indian government. There are entire tomes written on this with Indian 'revolutionaries' supported by German and Austrian agents played cat and mouse games with British agents throughout Europe and even America.
    Hell there was even a Hindu german conspiracy trial in the USA.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Hindu–German_Conspiracy_Trial

    These Gadarites were mostly Punjabis (where the German networks were one of the strongest) and in 1915 they conducted revolutionary activities in central Punjab and organised uprisings. Their presence challenged the hold of the British Empire; police surveillance in Punjabi villages increased in an attempt to crush the rebellion.
    As Nesta Webster wrote in her book ‘Surrender of Empire’
    “On March 17, that is to say, on the eve of the great German offensive, a meeting of the German-Irish Society was held at the Hotd Adlon in Berlin under the auspices of the German Government. The meeting was addressed at length by Freiherr von Stumm, representing the Imperial Foreign Office representatives of the German Wax Office and Admiralty were present, also Abdul Malitch Haniza Bey, of the Committee of Egyptian Nationalists and Young Turli Organisation in Berne ; Datta Bhupendranath, alias Dutt, head of the Berlin Indians during the War, concerned in seditious publications against Great Britain; Champakaraman PUlai, a well-known agitator, and a number of other Indian and Egyptian sedition mongers. Dr. Chatterton-Hill and St. John Gaffney, representing Sinn Fein, were also present. Messages of congratulation were received from the Kaiser and Field-Marsh von Hindenburg.”
    …snip…
    “It is important to note that at this stage the Soviet Government took no part in the movement, which was purely an alliance between a section of German Monarchists and the enemies of Great Britain. Dr. Chatterton-HiH, who, after the German revolution of November 1918, tried to get into touch with Bolshevist circles in Germany and Switzerland, found the Bolsheviks unreceptive to his scheme of co-operation between Irish Republicanism and Russian Communism. It is obvious the two ideas would not blend. Nor was Moscow inclined to support, or at any rate to finance, the programme of the V.V.V. in which Communist propaganda was not included. Gradually, however, the Bolsheviks came to realise the utility of this organisation as a means for furthering the aims of world revolution by destroying British power in India, Egypt and Ireland, and when a further meeting took place in Berlin in October 1920, Moscow had decided that Berhn should remain the centre of the Germano-Bolshevik movement in the West, where all the wires connecting anti-British and anti-Entente movements in Ireland, India and Egypt should join.”
    …snip….
    “It is important to understand that this organisation, the V.V.V., later to be known as the ” League against Colonial Oppression,” and still later as the " League against Imperialism,” usually attributed to Moscow, is of German Monarchists origin, formed in the first instance, not for Communist propaganda, but for propaganda against French and still more British " Imperialism.” It was not the Boldxeviks, but the Germans who, having lost their own colonies in the War, first conceived the idea of rousing the peoples of the East against their Western rulers, and raised the cry of “ colonial oppression.” It was the German Monarchists who had united the enemies of Great Britain in the German-Irish Society, which provided the nucleus for the V.V.V. and brought Irish and Indian agitators in touch with each other. It was not, in fact, until after the meeting of the V.V.V. in Berlin in January 1920, when Moscow began to take an interest in the Irish Republican movement, that in June of that year the draft of a treaty was drawn up between Sinn Fein and the Soviet Republic.”
    …snip…
    “The most violent revolutionaries were as a rule those Indians who had received some education in the West of Europe. Centres of propaganda existed both in London and Paris. In 1905, a native of West^ India, Shyamiji Krishnavarma, started a " Home Rule Society " in London, and in the following year he instituted " India House,” which became a hot-bed of sedition, a product of which was the young Indian, Dhingra, who assassinated Sir Curzon WyUie at the Imperial Institute on July 1, 1909.
    Unfortunately Mr. Blunt was not alone in his encouragement of sedition. A number of English men and women lent it their support. Many no doubt were sincere, believing they were helping the cause of " freedom ” ; what they lacked was a knowledge of real conditions in India”
    …snip..
    “The truth is that, on the part of the great mass of the population, there was no spontaneous desire in the past to throw off British rule. The whole movement has been artificially engineered. The husband of the present writer, who served twenty years in India, keeping on excellent terms with Indians of all classes, never throughout this period heard a single Indian express a desire for self-government or any hostility to British rule. Indeed, the one appeal continually addressed to him was ; " Sahib, see that my case is judged - by a Sahib and not by an Indian magistrate.”

    …snip…
    “The proportion of the Indian people consciously desiring self-government constituted only an infinitesimal fraction of the whole, but from the time of Lord Ripon’s scheme of " Local Self-Government " and its sequel in the proposed Ilbert Bill of 1883 for increasing the power of Indian judges and magistrates, defeated by the protests of Europeans in Calcutta, the course of British administration in India has been marked by concessions to this vocal minority, composed almost entirely of Indians educated in England. These men, drawn mainly from the hahi dass, after absorbing Western ideas on political and social questions, could find no scope for their activities on their return to their native land and consequently joined the ranks of agitators, if only as a means of advancement.
    Such was the encouragement given to the promoters of sedition that an Indian official once observed to a British officer : " If you want to get on, you must become an agitator, and then the Government take notice of you and you may become a judge.” Thus in India as in Ireland, the same fatal policy of concession, of yielding, not to reasonable demands but to seditious agitation, helped to swell the army of malcontents. ”
    …snip….
    “It was left to Imperial Germany to inaugurate the latter method of undermining British rule in India, which is now being followed out with still greater energy by the Bolsheviks of Russia. It is from the date that the latter danger arose that laxity towards sedition has acquired a greater importance.
    The German conspiracy began several years before the Great War ; Bemhardi in his book, Germany and the Next War, published in 1911, had expressed the hope of shaking British power in India. Already at that date the Germans were working in touch with Indian revolutionaries in Europe, and the Ghair Revolutionary Party had been formed by a certain Hardayal in California, spreading the doctrine that Germany would strike at England. This man was again a product of Western education. As the Morning Post observed : " The worst of the Indian extremists come from the English-educated stratum. The two most conspicuous outrage plotters, Hardayal and Krishnavarma, both took English University honours.” The bomb thrown at Lord Hardinge in Delhi in December 1912 was the outcome of this teaching.”

    …snip…
    “Amongst other members of the " Indian National Party ” in Berlin was a certain Heramba Lai Gupta, who became Indian agent of Germany in America and worked with two German Americans, Boehm and Wehde, in training Indians for an invasion of Burma. All three men were tried and convicted at a State trial in Chicago in November 1917. The particular mission of Wehde was to convey 20,000 dollars of German money to the revolutionaries in India.
    This Indian revolutionary society in Berlin appears to have been later in close touch, if not identical, with the V.V.V. According to the official report of its activities, it aimed at establishing a republic in India, held constant meetings attended by Turks, Egyptians, German officals. Hardayal and Chattopadhya were in daily communication with the German Foreign Office. To carry out the revolution in India, there was an Oriental Bureau for translating and disseminating seditious literature to the Indian prisoners of war in Germany. Inflammatory letters, drafted by the German Government and addressed to Indian Princes as from the German authorities, were translated and printed. A consignment of these was intercepted by British agents in Persia on its way from Bagdad to India in 1916. They had the autograph signature of the German Chancellor von Bethmann Hollweg. " Meetings were held in Berlin in which the common objects of India and Germany were dilated upon, these meetings being sometimes presided over by highly placed German officials.”
    …snip….
    Thus, when the Bolsheviks came into power their path had been already paved for them in the East by German agents, many of whom now passed into the service of Moscow to carry on the same anti-British propaganda, this time in the cause of world revolution.”
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  111. @Anon
    In other words, The Chinese Empire will be like the Roman and Turkish ones. The Empire will be run for the benefit of the people of the Empire, not the people of the colonies.

    What a concept.

    VISIT THE PHILIPPINES

    Look at the Philippines or Indonesia, owned by 10 Fuji Chinese family cartels.

    You’ll get a good look at how the US (Or more relevantly Australia or New Zealand) will look when run by the Chinese.

    No slice of pie for the Natives.

    Pray that the Western plutocracy stays white.

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    Good for you to point out that the Philippines is run by Chinese. They were there before the Spanish.

    All these economists who praise China so much should investigate the unlicensed illegal businesses and illegal alien slaves in the Chinatowns and Chinese suburbs of the USA and increasingly Europe.
    , @kauchai
    " Look at the Philippines or Indonesia, owned by 10 Fuji Chinese family cartels."

    Yet they are all subservient to their white and jap masters in washington, london, brussels and tokyo. They never claimed to be chinese or have chinese blood. Look at the fool, Benigno Aquino III.

    So what are your worries?
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  112. @Yee
    peterAUS,

    "It will probably decay due to several issues, but not so quickly."

    I'm not so sure.

    If the US collapse quickly, the next world hegemony will be EU not China. Because China is not ready to take over (assuming China intend to take over), the author already detailed on this, which is true.

    Keep in mind that the western world is owned by the capitalist class, there's a very good chance they'd rather hand over world hegemony to EU and move their capital to re-settle in Europe. Just like they moved from Europe to America in the past.

    It would't surprise me at all if they deliberately arranged a quick collapse of the US, even better for them, to arrange a war with China to kill off a competitor.

    YEE

    I’m not sure the EU is quite the economic powerhouse capable of that.

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  113. As if to put another nail in the coffin of American global dominion, the remaining 11 Trans-Pacific trade pact partners, led by Japan and Canada, announced major progress in finalizing that agreement — without the United States.

    For all their moaning about empire these Tom Dispatch guys always come across as nostalgic for the “good old days” when America ostensibly did empire the “right” way. As for the TPP, it was conceived as a devious plan to weaken the national sovereignty of participating nations and handing that power to the likes of George Soros and his globalist oligarch chums. That’s why it was “negotiated” (hatched is more like it) in secret and the contents of the deal hidden from the citizens who were being set up to have the rug pulled out from under them. All these secret and obscurantist “free trade” agreements are Trojan horses designed to destroy the nation state model and replace it with rule by globalist bankers and tech billionaires, i.e. the Davos crowd and Silicon Valley.

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  114. FKA Max says: • Website
    @FKA Max

    If the US collapse quickly, the next world hegemony will be EU not China.
     
    I agree.

    I would even go so far as to say that Europe has already overtaken or is ahead of the U.S. in terms of innovation ( "The U.S. Drops Out of the Top 10 in Innovation Ranking" https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-01-22/south-korea-tops-global-innovation-ranking-again-as-u-s-falls ), technological sophistication ( see "robot density" particularly in Germany http://www.unz.com/article/beijings-bid-for-global-power-in-the-age-of-trump/#comment-2476791 ) ,

    Robot density is (still) the highest in Europe

    http://www.hannovermesse.de/en/news/robot-density-is-still-the-highest-in-europe-71552.xhtml

    https://ifr.org/img/uploads/Robot_density_by_country_page_1.jpg

    and in many other fields:

    "Remember the Golden Rule! Whoever has the gold, makes the rules!" - https://economicsociology.org/2015/08/28/remember-the-golden-rule-whoever-has-the-gold-makes-the-rules/

    Graph #1: Official Gold Reserves in Tonnes

    United States vs Europe vs BRICS countries

    https://www.goldbroker.com/media/image/cms/media/images/gold-european-union/gold-reserves-united-states-europe-brics-countries.png

    Source: https://www.goldbroker.com/news/gold-european-union-532 Archived link: http://archive.is/Q7QCE

    During the 2008-2009 financial crisis Europe was actually temporarily richer than the U.S. because continental Europeans invest less heavily in the stock market than Americans/Anglos do:

    One reason is the region’s heavy investment in shares: North America still has the highest proportion of wealth held in equities, according to Boston Consulting…https://www.forbes.com/2009/09/15/europe-richest-region-markets-economy-assets.html

    National wealth can fluctuate, as evidenced in the United States data following the 2008 financial crisis and subsequent economic recovery. During periods when equity markets experienced strong growth, the relative national and per capita wealth of the countries where people are more exposed on those markets, such as the United States and United Kingdom, tend to rise. On the other hand, when equity markets are depressed, the relative wealth the countries where people invest more in real estate or bonds, such as France and Italy, tend to rise instead.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_wealth

    This is also a good article on this topic:

    Is Europe outperforming the US?

    From 2006 to 2013 Germany and the U.S. both recorded an average GDP per capita growth rate of 1.1%. Germany’s ability to convert growth into economic wellbeing was equivalent to an economy growing at an average rate of 6.2%, while the U.S. managed a measly average rate of just 0.5%. Improvements in health services, affordable education and good public transportation have immediate benefits for citizens’ lives.

    Figure 2 shows the transformative power of these gains, and offers another insight into how the euro area is actually outperforming the U.S. We could go yet another level deeper and unearth how wealth creation has benefitted different slices of the population. Take the bottom 90% of earners in a country.

    If we look at growth in real average income for this group over the period 1950-2013, its real wage income grew some 70% in the U.S., dwarfed by gains of 150% in Italy and the United Kingdom and of a whopping 250% in France and Germany. This means that belonging to the “bottom 90%” in Europe is much better than in the U.S.

    https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2015/10/is-europe-outperforming-the-us/ Archived link: http://archive.is/mhArv

    Europeans are also extremely productive per hours worked. South Koreans, for example, work 800 hours more per year than Germans https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Working_time#Average_annual_hours_actually_worked_per_worker :

    The World’s Most Productive People

    Source: https://conorneill.com/2018/01/24/the-worlds-most-productive-people/

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    The Chinese work about as much as the South Koreans:

    How hard does China work?

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/06/how-hard-does-china-work

    The average Chinese worker works between 2,000-2,200 hours every year in China, Wang Qi, a researcher of the Beijing Normal University, told China Real Time. Such an estimate was based on data from China’s National Bureau of Statistics, industry groups and online questionnaires.
    [...]
    “It may have been one of the secrets that help created the ‘China miracle’ but it has created a lot of problems,” Mr. Lai said, citing the frequency of workplace accidents, which tend to happen when workers are tired. “It is not sustainable.”

    Shorter working hours will enhance innovation, he argues, with workers having more time to take up new skills and explore fresh ideas. It will also bolster employment, with employers forced to hire more workers, he said.
     
    - https://blogs.wsj.com/chinarealtime/2014/12/03/chinese-workers-should-work-less-spend-more-report-says-2/

    600,000 Chinese die from overworking each year

    http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2016-12/11/content_27635578.htm Archived link: http://archive.is/udaNM

    Women stand on sofas and hold banners that denounce the impact on families from overtime work during an event in Shanghai, Aug 8, 2016. One of the participant holds a banner that reads, "No dinner is more valuable than that shared together at home" during the "Lonely Sofa" Event.

    http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/images/attachement/jpg/site1/20161211/d8cb8a3c66c019b74d8b0f.jpg
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  115. Bucky says:
    @DB Cooper
    The relation between China and Japan could have been better. Both the Nationalist and the Communist took pretty much similar position with regards to Japan after WWII. And that is don't dwell on the past and move forward. Shortly after the war Chiang Kai-Shek publicly announced that China would not seek war reparation from Japan. Chiang Kai-Shek even refused to call the Japanese soldiers left in China prisoner of wars and repatriated them promptly back to Japan. Things only began to deteriorate when the Japanese regime, after laying low for forty plus years, became revisionist and irredentist starting in the 1980s. Only then did China react by building up war memorials like the Nanjing Massacre museum in Nanjing and the 731 museum in the northeast and the annual commemorations of the war against Japanese aggression.

    Wrong.

    China amped up its patriotic campaign after Tienanmen.

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  116. Malla says:
    @denk
    It s high time to bury the fairy tale about the 6lies [5lies + India] being a 'rule based system' led by the U.S.A

    Lets call a spade a spade.
    The 6lies operates as an international mafia network, with the Don based in Washington DC.

    It has only one rule....
    What the Don says, goes.

    When UK operated old fields were nationalised by Teheran in the 50's, London ran to mama.
    CIA engineered a regime change in double time.
    The murkkan installed Shah govn restored UK's oil interest in no time.

    When Oz felt it was 'bullied' by mighty little E Timor in the oil field negotiation, whom did Canberra turn to ?
    The Don, of course.

    When Indian biz couldnt compete with China in South Asia, no worry, mama fukus came to the rescue.
    A combined arm twisting from fukusI put an end to Chinese investments in Nepal, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh...

    All in all a very cozy set up indeed.

    No wonder the 6lies people overwhelmingly prefer a perpetual Pax murikkana .

    Whom would the Brits. , Cannucks, Kiwis, Aussies, Indians turn to when they need a favor, under a pax sinica ?
    None !

    Cuz China has neither the muscle nor the heart to take over the role of The Don. !

    In other words, Mccoy's entire essay is based on a false premise .

    denk my ol friend

    The Don also stabs his freinds. Like what the Don (USA) did to the British, French etc… Empires

    From the book: The New Unhappy Lords

    https://ia800500.us.archive.org/23/items/TheNewUnhappyLords/TheNewUnhappyLords.pdf

    As far as is known “America’s” anti-British policy was first given concrete expression in the brief that General Marshall took with him to the Quebec Conference in 1943.
    This was to the effect that the greatest single obstacle to the expansion of America’s export-capitalism after the war would be not the Soviet Union but the British Empire.
    What this meant, in practical terms, was that as soon as the enemies in the field had been disposed of would come the turn of the British Empire to be progressively destroyed and that means to this end would be shaped even while hostilities raged. The moment they were over the campaign could begin in real earnest, the signal for which was to be Truman’s abrupt dropping of Lend-Lease to an ally whose economy had been so closely geared to war production that many markets for her goods had been systematically referred to U.S producers.
    The British Empire was not the only ally marked down for liquidation. The Dutch Empire in the East Indies and the French Empire in Indo-China and Africa were also high on the list

    What many people do not know is that the after the damage done by the Great Depression (the total Wall Street take over of the US Economy and the looting of independent American business with the help of the private ‘Federal’ reserve ), The British Government put restrictions on trade in between the British Empire and USA to protect the economies of Britain and all of her colonies from the wall street pigs.

    In Page 22 of the book we read

    “However, as has happened time and again throughout history, the money-lenders had tended to overplay their hand. The six million German unemployed who were the victims of the “Great Depression” resulted in a formidable revolt against the Money Power—the revolt of Adolf Hitler. There was also a rebellion, although of a much milder kind, in Great Britain and the British nations overseas, whose representatives met in Ottawa in 1932 to hammer out a system of Imperial Preferences calculated to insulate the British world against Wall St. amok-runs. These Preferences, as we shall see, incurred the unrelenting hostility of the New York Money Power and the only reason why a show-down was not forced was the far more serious threat to the international financial system implicit in the econo­mic doctrines of the Third Reich.”

    In other words, the Wall street greedy pigs after devouring American industry came to the conclusion that they faced a major threat from Third Reich Germany (the barter system used by the regime) as well as to a lesser extent from the British Empire (and other Empires). Hence the war to destroy Third Reich Germany, Japanese Empire and Italy and then after the war the eventual slow destruction of the European Empires, especially the British Empire. And hence we suddenly see ‘independence movements’ sprouting all over the world and succeeding. Even before the war we had ‘independence movements’ and ‘communist movements’ all around the world thanks to their pet ‘Soviet Russia’s’ agents going all around and ‘radicalising the masses’, all with the blessings of Wall Street Banker pigs.

    BTW bad news ol pal

    https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/china/mahathir-fears-new-colonialism-cancels-2-chinese-projects-on-beijing-visit/articleshow/65493634.cms

    Malaysian PM Mahathir fears new colonialism, this time from China, cancels 2 Chinese projects on Beijing visit

    Fukushi strikes again?????

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    fukusI
     
    You got a point there.

    Like they say, 'you just cant put a good man down for long'.
    Im not talking about Anwar, but uncle sham.

    fukus has been trying to oust Najib the Panda hugger for years. Looks like it has finally get its man.

    AFAIC, fukusI finger print is all over the place.

    *Somebody with the resources has been feeding scoops on Najib's alleged shady deals to the WARsj, which has been mounting a media blitz on the Malaysian govn,

    *When fukusI deposed China friendly leaders in Sri Lanka, Nepal etc, the very first act taken by Washington's stooge was to renege on Chinese investments signed with the previous govn.
    True to form, thats what Mahathir just did.

    *And,,,,....here's Food for thought,...
    Why is Mahathir partnering with once bitter foe Anwar, a certified fukus poster boy , NED, AEI alumni ???

    Its getting Curiouser and curiouser

    hhhhhh
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  117. Malla says:
    @Colin Wright
    'The primary reason may be commercial but there always was a moral, civilizing motive. If not, how do you explain this?'

    You seem to be arguing with something I didn't say. Actually, you want to go into rhapsodies about the virtues of British India, I'm your man.

    Sorry I misunderstood.

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  118. Yee says:

    Jeff Stryker,

    “I’m not sure the EU is quite the economic powerhouse capable of that.”

    In the long run, say 30 years, China has more potential than Europe. Landmass, population and location have their magic. But right now China is still playing catch up. If the US collapse within 5 – 10 year, it would be EU that takes over.

    EU replacing US isn’t too much of a problem for China, per se. It’s getting drag down during this transition that China worry about. This is the reason China urgently building up military, to prepare for the worst case scenario. It’d be best the US decline slowly.

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    I've told my kids to stay in Asia and they attend Chinese schools. I'm not anticipating that the US will be much of anywhere they will want to go. They've never even been to my own home state. My own legacy will be in Asia.

    Europe and China have been connected by the Silk Route before. The only thing barring free trade is the fact that US and Europe obviously have cultural ties.

    I don't expect that if non-European/non-Asian Americans eventually grab the controls that the US would be anything but another backwater like Africa or Latin America.

    But Europe has problems that Asia does not have. You have kept your Uighur behaving, relative to the "uncooked" Muslims of Europe. Europe is a conglomeration of races with bitter long-standing feuds-like China and Vietnam x 10. There is the Christian vs. Jew paradigm.

    I'm sad to say that Europe just doesn't have as much going for it as Asia.
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  119. Yee says:

    Jeff Stryker,

    “Look at the Philippines or Indonesia, owned by 10 Fuji Chinese family cartels.
    …..
    Pray that the Western plutocracy stays white.”

    This has nothing to do with race. I don’t imagine the US rich has more mercy on the poor when they were at the same developing level as Philippines or Indonesia.

    I think it’s foolish of you to have any illusion of rich Whites being different.

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    Meh, I'm eternally bitter about that Chinese-Filipino business associate who threatened to kill me. It was years ago, but I was scared (As a Chinese citizen would be in the US if a powerful Jewish businessman did the same thing).

    Clearly, I have some kind of psychological issue with it.

    And as you know, hypocrite that I am, I am married to a Chinese-Thai woman and have two children whom I pay to send to a Chinese schools.

    I think Trump cannot possibly prevent China and Europe from doing business in the long-run.

    Its bound to happen. China has long caught up with the US and is the worlds biggest economy.
    , @Jeff Stryker
    YEE

    You've known me forever and know the story. I had a bad experience in the Philippines in business with a Chinese-Filipino who left me scared and humiliated.

    So now, pathetically, seven years later I am always bringing it up.

    If you were doing business in the US and a Jewish businessperson of relative influence had threatened you, I think you would have reacted the way I did.

    At the bottom of it, I should just get over the whole affair. But I was left feeling humiliated and scared.
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  120. @Colin Wright
    '...Indeed, coups and revolutions most of the time happen when things are getting better, tsarist Russia, the Ottoman empire, are examples...'

    Black unrest in the Sixties comes to mind as well. They'd been led to believe that -- magically -- they were all going to become equal and start living the life whites led in their imagination. When it didn't happen, there was rioting coast to coast.

    People most generally revolt, not because of poverty or oppression per se, but when rising expectations aren't met. There can be other causes as well, of course -- just a large cohort of young people can do it -- but unmet expectations are a common spark.

    Then too, the status quo has to have an ideological underpinning. I recall reading of some late medieval peasant revolt. The king was able to subdue it simply by riding alone into the crowd. He was God's anointed, and it was unthinkable to defy him. The peasants literally fell to their knees and started begging for forgiveness.

    We have the shibboleth of elections. If someone won the vote, their right to rule is unquestionable. It's actually not much less arbitrary than the divine right of kings, but we accept it, and so it works.

    Can the plutocrats who rule China call on anything like that? What is the overpowering justification for their authority? When the going gets rocky, what happens? Recall here our Great Depression. Rough as it got, our faith in the democratic process was sufficient to pull us through without social collapse. Does China have anything like as strong an ideological underpinning?

    Plutocrats don’t rule China; they are basically forced to join the CCP, which is actually a millstone around their neck. It might theoretically increase some influence, but now they can’t even leave the country sometimes and have to listen to orders far, far, far more than any citizen.

    It not quite promotion to Antarctica, but it’s a similar idea.

    Imagine of every single US billionaire had to swear he was “working for the good of the US” and could be questioned on his life decisions by Congress. It’d be annoying as heck for them.

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    Many Americans would welcome this.
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  121. @Yee
    Jeff Stryker,

    "I'm not sure the EU is quite the economic powerhouse capable of that."

    In the long run, say 30 years, China has more potential than Europe. Landmass, population and location have their magic. But right now China is still playing catch up. If the US collapse within 5 - 10 year, it would be EU that takes over.

    EU replacing US isn't too much of a problem for China, per se. It's getting drag down during this transition that China worry about. This is the reason China urgently building up military, to prepare for the worst case scenario. It'd be best the US decline slowly.

    I’ve told my kids to stay in Asia and they attend Chinese schools. I’m not anticipating that the US will be much of anywhere they will want to go. They’ve never even been to my own home state. My own legacy will be in Asia.

    Europe and China have been connected by the Silk Route before. The only thing barring free trade is the fact that US and Europe obviously have cultural ties.

    I don’t expect that if non-European/non-Asian Americans eventually grab the controls that the US would be anything but another backwater like Africa or Latin America.

    But Europe has problems that Asia does not have. You have kept your Uighur behaving, relative to the “uncooked” Muslims of Europe. Europe is a conglomeration of races with bitter long-standing feuds-like China and Vietnam x 10. There is the Christian vs. Jew paradigm.

    I’m sad to say that Europe just doesn’t have as much going for it as Asia.

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  122. @Yee
    Jeff Stryker,

    "Look at the Philippines or Indonesia, owned by 10 Fuji Chinese family cartels.
    .....
    Pray that the Western plutocracy stays white."

    This has nothing to do with race. I don't imagine the US rich has more mercy on the poor when they were at the same developing level as Philippines or Indonesia.

    I think it's foolish of you to have any illusion of rich Whites being different.

    Meh, I’m eternally bitter about that Chinese-Filipino business associate who threatened to kill me. It was years ago, but I was scared (As a Chinese citizen would be in the US if a powerful Jewish businessman did the same thing).

    Clearly, I have some kind of psychological issue with it.

    And as you know, hypocrite that I am, I am married to a Chinese-Thai woman and have two children whom I pay to send to a Chinese schools.

    I think Trump cannot possibly prevent China and Europe from doing business in the long-run.

    Its bound to happen. China has long caught up with the US and is the worlds biggest economy.

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  123. @Yee
    Jeff Stryker,

    "Look at the Philippines or Indonesia, owned by 10 Fuji Chinese family cartels.
    .....
    Pray that the Western plutocracy stays white."

    This has nothing to do with race. I don't imagine the US rich has more mercy on the poor when they were at the same developing level as Philippines or Indonesia.

    I think it's foolish of you to have any illusion of rich Whites being different.

    YEE

    You’ve known me forever and know the story. I had a bad experience in the Philippines in business with a Chinese-Filipino who left me scared and humiliated.

    So now, pathetically, seven years later I am always bringing it up.

    If you were doing business in the US and a Jewish businessperson of relative influence had threatened you, I think you would have reacted the way I did.

    At the bottom of it, I should just get over the whole affair. But I was left feeling humiliated and scared.

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  124. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jeff Stryker
    What about the massacre of Armristar?

    It was a few rioters shot, not a massacre.

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  125. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jeff Stryker
    VISIT THE PHILIPPINES

    Look at the Philippines or Indonesia, owned by 10 Fuji Chinese family cartels.

    You'll get a good look at how the US (Or more relevantly Australia or New Zealand) will look when run by the Chinese.

    No slice of pie for the Natives.

    Pray that the Western plutocracy stays white.

    Good for you to point out that the Philippines is run by Chinese. They were there before the Spanish.

    All these economists who praise China so much should investigate the unlicensed illegal businesses and illegal alien slaves in the Chinatowns and Chinese suburbs of the USA and increasingly Europe.

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    So what are Europe and the US doing about these Chinese suburban workshops?
    , @Jeff Stryker
    I lived in Cebu.
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  126. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Biff

    and American workers are lazy and illiterate :

     

    Funny thing, back in 91 in the U.S. my Asian wife worked in a Factory, in a production line, and she used to come home, and almost on a daily bases I would have to hear “Americans are lazy!” Then, as your link points out, in Jan. of 92, the press took note of that Japanese tycoon saying the same thing. Dan Rather goes on air repeating what I’ve been hearing for years, and the whole country goes into an uproar.
    If you remember the debate went on for nine months to a year with people(Americans) affirming “I work hard dammit!”
    I found the whole episode quite hilarious.

    I see no benefit whatsoever in working hard for the sake of working hard or being proud of being an exploited wage slave.

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  127. Herald says:
    @Anon
    Good for you to point out that the Philippines is run by Chinese. They were there before the Spanish.

    All these economists who praise China so much should investigate the unlicensed illegal businesses and illegal alien slaves in the Chinatowns and Chinese suburbs of the USA and increasingly Europe.

    So what are Europe and the US doing about these Chinese suburban workshops?

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    US does absolutely nothing. The state labor boards and city county fire departments zoning inspectors don’t do much because no one knows they are there.
    A friend from Austria who reads the Austrian news every day told me the city of Vienna recently discovered 30,000 Chinese illegals working in unlicensed illegal workshops that had been there for years completely hidden.

    If you’ve been to San Francisco you have seen that most houses are row houses built right up on the sidewalk no front garden The first floor is a garage the second floor the house.

    I have seen many illegal chicken slaughter houses in those garages. They keep the door open for ventilation sometimes. Just walking, jogging or driving by you can see what’s going on.

    There are crates of live chickens. There aren’t work tables. All the work is done in the floor. They kill the chickens gut pluck and cut them up right in the floor.

    The workers are emaciated middle aged men wearing T shirts ragged pants and flip flops. They squat on the floor while chopping up chickens.

    These illegal slaughterhouses were near Clement st a Chinese restaurant row. I lived in the neighborhood and saw what was going on in those garages.

    Clement st was the perfect shopping st. It had everything, small hardware stores , a big Walgreens for school supplies and cheap toys repair shops, a big antique store half a block with beautiful stuff straight from Europe and Louisiana, some small women’s clothing stores with unique and beautiful clothes a sporting goods store for basketballs etc a children’s shoe store.

    Then the Chinese took over and every store but the Walgreens and antique store turned into a restaurant whose chickens were slaughtered and chopped up in nearby garages. Although the live chickens were kept in crates, the crates and manure were just feet away from the chickens being chopped up for the restaurants.

    Then there’s the sound of 15 sewing machines running 6 am to midnight coming out of a single family home

    And home made house extensions filling the back yards. No building permit of course. No adherence to any building code or standard materials and workmanship. Neighbors call the city?
    Nothing is done.

    The state factory inspectors succeeded in closing down a lot of illegal sewing factories in downtown Los Angeles. They just moved to the San Gabriel valley eastern suburbs.

    There was a reason for the Chinese Exclusion Act. Check the history, the capitalists fought against it. We all know why.
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  128. @Anon
    Good for you to point out that the Philippines is run by Chinese. They were there before the Spanish.

    All these economists who praise China so much should investigate the unlicensed illegal businesses and illegal alien slaves in the Chinatowns and Chinese suburbs of the USA and increasingly Europe.

    I lived in Cebu.

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    I know a lot of nurses from Cebu university nursing school. Lots of Phillipinos in California, some recent medic immigrants some have been here for 150 years

    In America at least they are great people.
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  129. @Jeff Stryker
    China/US comparison

    China does not allow illegal immigrants.

    Do Uighur behave like Pakistanis in UK. They would, given any kind of chance. But do you think they groom young Chinese girls. Or are allowed into positions of government.

    None of you are old enough to remember when Ross Perot warned of globalism in 1994, I am. It was right at the beginning of the Clinton's administration's NAFTA.

    I remember it. Ross Perot was right. He was wrong to quit in mid-race. Even though he re-entered the race later, then his chances as a “quitter” were nil. Too bad. That might have been our chance, he was certainly more capable than Trump is, and the country wasn’t as far down the slippery slope of globalism as it is today. However, life is irreversible: what’s done is done and cannot be undone.

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  130. Yee says:

    Jeff Stryker,

    “Muslims of Europe. ”

    I think the refugee have been imported to Europe to create the “American-Black” in Europe, an alien underclass for the majority to direct their anger to, so they don’t focus their anger on the ruling class.

    Better keep the poor busy fighting among themselves, not fighting the ruling class.

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    That’s the best explanation of the reason for Merkel’s “welcoming policy” I’ve ever read. The only plausible alternative was that she has gone completely off her rocker.
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  131. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Random Smartaleck

    Russian people to this day do not understand how the west ever saw them as a threat, they saw it the other way round, maybe do it again, with the agression by NATO and EU.
     
    You have already answered why we saw them as a threat:

    Stalin began the Cold War, with his 1948 blockade of Berlin.

     

    As well as the blockade of Berlin, as soon as the Russians marched into Germany Poland Czechoslovakia, Austria, Hungary Bulgaria Slovenia Romania Greece Yugoslavia and Iran they began killing off the non communist leadership potential and leadership

    By 1946 communist governments, totally subservient to Moscow were installed by murdering any opposition.

    Parts of Iran and Austria suffered Soviet occupation until 1955. There was a terrible war in Greece which Greece finally won. Thousands of Greek children were kidnapped and taken to Russia for training as good communists.

    The complete takeover of Central Europe after 1945 wasn’t solely because of the Russian military occupation. It was a joint effort of the communist network in those countries before the war and the soviet military.

    Those Soviet networks existed in Western Europe as well. The only thing that saved them is that the Soviet army didn’t get that far west.

    The rest of Europe had excellent reason to feel threatened by soviet expansion west.

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  132. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jeff Stryker
    I lived in Cebu.

    I know a lot of nurses from Cebu university nursing school. Lots of Phillipinos in California, some recent medic immigrants some have been here for 150 years

    In America at least they are great people.

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  133. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Herald
    So what are Europe and the US doing about these Chinese suburban workshops?

    US does absolutely nothing. The state labor boards and city county fire departments zoning inspectors don’t do much because no one knows they are there.
    A friend from Austria who reads the Austrian news every day told me the city of Vienna recently discovered 30,000 Chinese illegals working in unlicensed illegal workshops that had been there for years completely hidden.

    If you’ve been to San Francisco you have seen that most houses are row houses built right up on the sidewalk no front garden The first floor is a garage the second floor the house.

    I have seen many illegal chicken slaughter houses in those garages. They keep the door open for ventilation sometimes. Just walking, jogging or driving by you can see what’s going on.

    There are crates of live chickens. There aren’t work tables. All the work is done in the floor. They kill the chickens gut pluck and cut them up right in the floor.

    The workers are emaciated middle aged men wearing T shirts ragged pants and flip flops. They squat on the floor while chopping up chickens.

    These illegal slaughterhouses were near Clement st a Chinese restaurant row. I lived in the neighborhood and saw what was going on in those garages.

    Clement st was the perfect shopping st. It had everything, small hardware stores , a big Walgreens for school supplies and cheap toys repair shops, a big antique store half a block with beautiful stuff straight from Europe and Louisiana, some small women’s clothing stores with unique and beautiful clothes a sporting goods store for basketballs etc a children’s shoe store.

    Then the Chinese took over and every store but the Walgreens and antique store turned into a restaurant whose chickens were slaughtered and chopped up in nearby garages. Although the live chickens were kept in crates, the crates and manure were just feet away from the chickens being chopped up for the restaurants.

    Then there’s the sound of 15 sewing machines running 6 am to midnight coming out of a single family home

    And home made house extensions filling the back yards. No building permit of course. No adherence to any building code or standard materials and workmanship. Neighbors call the city?
    Nothing is done.

    The state factory inspectors succeeded in closing down a lot of illegal sewing factories in downtown Los Angeles. They just moved to the San Gabriel valley eastern suburbs.

    There was a reason for the Chinese Exclusion Act. Check the history, the capitalists fought against it. We all know why.

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  134. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Biff

    and American workers are lazy and illiterate :

     

    Funny thing, back in 91 in the U.S. my Asian wife worked in a Factory, in a production line, and she used to come home, and almost on a daily bases I would have to hear “Americans are lazy!” Then, as your link points out, in Jan. of 92, the press took note of that Japanese tycoon saying the same thing. Dan Rather goes on air repeating what I’ve been hearing for years, and the whole country goes into an uproar.
    If you remember the debate went on for nine months to a year with people(Americans) affirming “I work hard dammit!”
    I found the whole episode quite hilarious.

    Western Europeans work fewer hours and produce the most.

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  135. Someone says:

    Jeff Stryker is an old racist who chooses to live in Asia. And he’s here 24/7 railing against _____ ethnicities. Just move to bumf*ck rural Idaho. The place is actually geographically beautiful and the very few people you see will be lily white. And it is actually cheap to live there.

    If that weren’t pathetic enough, he talks about his kids. Should have had them aborted.

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    He's very fair. He's well travelled and is very familiar with a lot of ethnicities, and you know what they say what familiarity breeds.
    , @Jeff Stryker
    The problem with moving to "all white" locations in the US is that they are in the sticks. Drive 10 miles down a dirt road with potholes in order to buy your groceries?

    In Asia you can live in thriving city with a high-energy economy and work in your field.

    I don't want to move to the woods and be "Jason Voorhees". Especially since there is little economy.

    Young rural whites are often whiggers or hicks.

    I'm happy abroad.
    , @Jeff Stryker
    SOMEONE

    "Old man"

    I was born in 1974 and I am grateful for it.

    Overseas, I don't have to see many of your sad generation. I must concur you had a rough. You were children of the 90's living in a McMansion in an era of roaring prosperity. Now adulthood is bleak. You're Dad owned the house you still live in when HE WAS 30.

    "Just move to bumf*ck rural Idaho"

    ...what for? Asia has a thriving economy and the cities are bursting with excitement in addition a climate like Florida with nice tropical breezes.

    Moreover, a white-collar schmo like me has a better chance of eking out a living abroad than in the backwoods of the US where the biggest business is taxidermy during hunting season and tattoo parlors.

    Rural white Americans are complaining about their economy being hoisted by Asia, true to some degree, so what are you going to do in bumf*ck rural US? These people are the ones complaining that they cannot get a job.

    "Should have had them aborted"

    What are you doing on this particular commentary if a few possibly bigoted opinions offend you?
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  136. @Someone
    Jeff Stryker is an old racist who chooses to live in Asia. And he's here 24/7 railing against _____ ethnicities. Just move to bumf*ck rural Idaho. The place is actually geographically beautiful and the very few people you see will be lily white. And it is actually cheap to live there.

    If that weren't pathetic enough, he talks about his kids. Should have had them aborted.

    He’s very fair. He’s well travelled and is very familiar with a lot of ethnicities, and you know what they say what familiarity breeds.

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    He isn't fair. Why does he judge whole ethnicities based on his bad experiences with individual blacks, hispanics, and Sino-Filipinos, yet he rails about white trash yet chooses to separate himself from the larger ethnic group?

    Lots of cognitive dissonance there. Or more succinctly, a hypocrite and a liar and yet another idiot who needs to gain self worth from scapegoating the out-group. At least he has confederates on this site.
    , @Anon
    He’s not at all well traveled in America. He knows nothing about America but the ruins of Detroit where he grew up. Or did he grow up in the wealthy lovely town of Ann Arbor 50 miles away? He’s claimed both.

    But he makes all sorts of totally absolutely wrong statements about America.
    , @Jeff Stryker
    DANIEL

    When you have to fire some Jeremy Lin-sized Fuji Chinese-Filipino for his gambling addiction and all 6'3 and 210 pounds of him is high on shabu in front of you saying he is going to kill you (And he comes from a lower-tier but nonetheless influential local family) then all of the sudden "American influence over the Philippines" is sort of irrelevant. Never mind ANOTHER Chinese-Filipino told me to fire him. When your feet are on the ground, you know of what you speak.

    The entire office went silent. You could have heard flies fart. I was ready to pack my suitcases. Luckily Ray took another hit at the Waterfront Casino (Cebu) a few days later.

    Then there was Rick Lim who ran the most open shabu lab in the universe. In our gated subdivision. He was incredibly insistent that I put up some money and go in on his business. The guy scared the shit out of me and I choose my words carefully (Said I'd lost money playing the stock market).

    As for Confucius, his advice is quite good. I've studied him myself.

    So unlike the rest of these whites I've actually wandered Asia for years from Dubai through South Asia to Philippines, eking out a living.

    Needless to say, my wife belongs to the Yunnan Chinese merchant community of the Laos/Thai border (Teochew are more prominent but generally more prevalent further South).

    I also have two children and of course they attend Chinese schools.

    Mine is merely biographical data.

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  137. Looking over the responses, one can only speculate as to the source of the massive number of defenders of China — usually completely uncritical defenders of China.

    It’s incongruous. I’m not a Chinaphobe — but let’s face facts.

    This is a nation that less than thirty years ago used everything up to tanks to crush internal protests — killing over ten thousand, according to their own internal documents. Compare and contrast to the record of any Western democracy. Compare and contrast to the record of apartheid South Africa, for that matter. Behavior like this hasn’t been seen in any other civilized state for over a hundred years.

    This is a nation with perhaps the greatest wealth gap between the ruled and their rulers anywhere outside of the Arabian peninsula; look up the number of billionaires in the Congress of Peoples’ Deputies. China is not a shining beacon of democracy; it is the most perfect plutocracy ever realized.

    This is a nation that savagely grinds several completely separate ethnic minorities underfoot. Supposedly, a million Uighers are now in some form of confinement. Add Tibet and a good chunk of the Mongol people. I assume there are other groups I’m simply unaware of. China is a state of the Han people, for the Han people, and by the Han people. It is an ethnocracy on a colossal scale.

    So why all the China-love? Yes, China has enormous potential. Yes, it may well be the way of the future. Is it admirable in all respects?

    No.

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    This site is about giving alternative theories and orders a fair hearing. China-bashing is a bipartisan thing in America.

    Also likely a lot of Chinese are on here.

    Does anyone really give a shit about Uyghurs? The only reason most Americans find them useful is in the same way that the Soviet Communists found the black underclass useful: as a thorn and tool to use against a geopolitical competitor. And there are legitimate grievances in both. I think most people are intrigued by the potential in directing Muslim fanaticism against a useful enemy.
    , @Daniel Chieh
    A country can be a totalitarianism without it being a plutocracy, though. That's the point. Its a country with a lot of problems, but it still is worthwhile to identify what's true and not true. The commies can be assholes, but these days they're mostly rational assholes and reason's surprisingly nice.

    The entire extension into Mongols is bewildering and hilarious. I am part-Mongol. Halp, I'm being oppressed. Um, no?

    Uighers harbor murderous radicals that haven't gone for more than a few years without inflicting a mass terrorist attack, and a long history of massacring Han civilians. And no, we're not talking about rioting and stabbing. Mass, organized slaughter.


    China is a state of the Han people, for the Han people, and by the Han people.
     
    China is the state of the Communist Party, for the Communist Party, and by the Communist Party. The Han just happen to live in their world.
    , @denk
    jeeze

    YOu might not be a sinophobe, but definitely a
    mushroom....

    Kept in the dark and fed bushit all day long

    After my consultation with Zou Gong I will show you whats facts and whats bushit.
    , @DB Cooper
    “This is a nation that savagely grinds several completely separate ethnic minorities underfoot. Supposedly, a million Uighers are now in some form of confinement. Add Tibet and a good chunk of the Mongol people. I assume there are other groups I’m simply unaware of. China is a state of the Han people, for the Han people, and by the Han people. It is an ethnocracy on a colossal scale.”

    There are some videos apparently made by Uighers themselves showing their plight in China leaked to the outside world. Here is one such video. Warning: the content may be insensitive and will be offensive to some viewers. Watch it at your own discretion.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-2B4M5n_WU&t=418s

    , @AnonFromTN
    Care to provide evidence for your claims? The estimates of the number of Tiananmen square victims range from 218 to over 10,000 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiananmen_Square_protests_of_1989). The upper figures were aired by Western MSM, who were repeatedly caught spreading blatant lies about Bosnia, Serbia, Kosovo, Libya, Syria, Ukraine, Russia, and many other countries.

    According to the Guardian, in 2018 alone there were 1093 people killed by the police in the “democratic” US (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/series/counted-us-police-killings). I fully appreciate that the Guardian is hardly a reliable source, but that number is far greater than many estimates of Tiananmen square victims. Higher estimates tend to come from sources at least as unreliable as the Guardian.

    Are you the only person who knows the correct number of those killed in 1989 in Tiananmen square? Give us the numbers and the sources, then.
    , @peterAUS

    ..one can only speculate as to the source of the massive number of defenders of China…
    It’s incongruous.
    So why all the China-love?
     
    Simple.
    People converging on this site are, mostly, against The Empire (for any reason imaginable). China is seen by plenty of them as an opponent of that empire. “Enemy of my enemy” thing. In this case totally misplaced, IMHO, for a couple of reasons.
    , @Frankie P
    Let's go back a bit farther, and take a real look at the results of this nation, the one that you describe with verbs like "crush" and "grind", and noun phrases like "greatest wealth gap between the ruled and their rulers". According to the World Bank, a tool of the globalist Empire, not of China, since initiating market reforms in 1978, China has lifted more than 800 million of its people out of poverty. This represents the greatest such movement out of poverty in human history. I sure wish the plutocracy in the US led to trickle down benefits for the plebs.

    Frankie P

    , @denk

    Looking over the responses, one can only speculate as to the source of the massive number of defenders of China — usually completely uncritical defenders of China.
     
    typical fukus logic..
    If you criticize Israel you'r anti Semitic,
    If you decry fukus imperialism you hate whites,
    IM shocked when the cannuck Can Speccy called me 'aggressive Chinese propagandist, supremacist' !
    FFS !
    When All Im doing is challenging fukus propaganda

    I can make a guess at your speculations,
    We who dare to challenge fukus disinfo on China must be those so-called wu mao , right ?

    When I started out in 1998, its one vs hundreds fukusI, jeeze, its a one sided affair.
    now at least I get some comrades in arms.

    May be you'd prefer the good old days eh ?
    300 against 1
    hhhhh

    It’s incongruous. I’m not a Chinaphobe — but let’s face

    facts.

    This is a nation that less than thirty years ago used everything up to tanks to crush internal protests — killing over ten thousand, according to their own internal documents. Compare and contrast to the record of any Western democracy. Compare and contrast to the record of apartheid South Africa, for that matter. Behavior like this hasn’t been seen in any other civilized state for over a hundred years.
     
    Facts , I like facts.
    Syria, Libya, Iraq, ex Yugo, Indonesia, E Timor, West Papua New Guinea, Nam, Cambodia/Laos, Korea,..
    Kashmir, Arunachal Pradesh, Assam, Meghalaya, Manipur, Mizoram, Nagaland and Tripura .....


    If you can call the destroyers of the above states [1] , viz, fukusI, 'democratic, civilised' with a straight face...I suggest you go back to your Harry Potter books.


    Exhibit Fallujah....
    [it fits your lurid description above down to a tank...]

    Classic 'shooting fish in a barrel' tactics employed by fukus .
    Surround a city with overwhelming force, cut off all exits, cut off water supply, soften the opposition with saturation bombings , then send in the goons to deliver the coup de grace.....shoot anything that move.

    *Grim scenes of carnage, death and destruction were daily fare in Fallujah, as in much of Iraq. The brutality was the result of ongoing and barbaric US criminal violence carried out by "The Greatest Military Power the World has Ever Seen," against resistance fighters and a civilian population who were significantly lacking in capacities to defend themselves against Abram tanks, howitzers, mortars, Blackhawk, Apache, Cobra, Lynx and Puma helicopters, Hellfire-Missile-armed Predator drones, neighborhood erasing AC-130 Specter gun ships, artillery fire, cluster bombs, laser-guided missiles, F16 and F18 jet fighters, fuel air bombs (napalm), white phosphorous, and bunker busters. Any day picked at random will bring to our awareness shocking and awful, liberation myth-destroying, horror stories suffered by the people of Iraq. If killing people is the equivalent of "having a great day," or torturing people is carried out as "sport," one wonders how many sporting "great days" it will take until we take action to stop the continuing slaughter, and hold accountable the leadership responsible for war crimes?*

    http://www.uruknet.info/?p=18007

    Did you say 'civilised' , Colin ?
    This define barbarism.

    tip of an iceberg....

    Now your turn to show me some hard facts, Colin .
    , @kauchai
    1) This is a nation that less than thirty years ago used everything up to tanks to crush internal protests — killing over ten thousand, according to their own internal documents.

    You obviously have got your head buried too deep in the empire's MSM cesspool for too long. No one was crushed or shot in Tiananmen square between midnight of June 3 to the early morning hours of June 4 1989. Google Nicholas Kristof of NYT and lookup Wikileaks for the empire's embassy cables. You LIED!

    "According to their own internal documents" which presumably refers to the chinese government's own investigation papers, the estimated human casualties was somewhere between 200-300. None of these casualties were from the square proper. You LIED! (There are a lot more here to bury you in but I defer for the moment)

    2) Compare and contrast to the record of any Western democracy.

    Well, well. Western democracies may not butcher and dismember its own citizens, but they sure weren't shy about doing it to others. How many millions did the spanish, british, dutch, belgians, germans, italians, french, portuguese and japs slaughtered in places like latin america, africa, south east asia, india, china and korea?

    The empire itself bombed north korea until there wasn't a "brick on top of another", this was proudly declared by gen. curtis lemay, the chief korean genocider. Macarthur and Truman slaughtered no less than 4 million koreans between 1950-53.

    The chief architect of the vietnam war, Robert S McNamara proudly declared that the empire and its dogs killed an estimated 3.8 million vietnamese thru carpet bombings, napalm bombings and agent orange. This figure does not include the civilian casualties in neighbouring cambodia and laos. Empire troops was also responsible for the My Lai massacre of more than 500 innocent vietnamese villagers thru machines gun fires, rape and mutilation and torching their huts. Remember My Lai? Today, vietnamese, cambodians and laotians are still dying from the effects of agent orange and unexploded bombs littering the whole countryside.

    Moving on to the phillipines, between 500,000 to 1.5 million were killed, tortured and mutilated in the phillipines war of independence against the empire from 1898 to 1905. Water boarding torture was invented here by the empire's ranger troopers.

    And more....more...more..if you care to look. Behavior like this can only be perpetuated by those whose greed and violent nature know no bounds. You LIED!

    3) This is a nation with perhaps the greatest wealth gap between the ruled and their rulers anywhere outside of the Arabian peninsula; look up the number of billionaires in the Congress of Peoples’ Deputies.

    This is a nation that was torn asunder by western democracies simply because they refused to open up their country to the abuse of opium and was thus considered by the pack of western and jap hyenas ripe for the picking and taking. Between 1840 - 1949 (the century of humiliation) china lost trillions of dollars to these rampaging hyenas from the west. Its people were reduced to the status of animals and slaves, and the brits even equated them to "dogs" in their own country.

    It was also a period where the rich warlords supported by the western hyenas amassed tremendous wealth and power enough to set up their own little fiefdoms but were subservient to western democracies. If the GINI coefficient was invented then, china would consistently score 1.

    But china preservered and recovered. Even then, from 1949 to 1979 it was subjected to cruel and inhuman pressures by western democracies in the form of the hushed up "embargo" bcos they dare to be different and refuse to submit to this pack of hyenas anymore.

    Today, the warlords were long gone, their ill gotten wealth and power were returned to the state and the people and the hyenas were kicked all the way back to their lairs. Between 1979 - now, china lifted more than 800 million from abject poverty. The middle class now numbers between 400-500 million. Literacy rate is near 100%. Almost every chinese owns their own home. Education is free and compulsory from kindergarten to tertiary levels. Basic medical insurance is provided to every citizen free of charge. Minorities are given more rights and incentives to study and do business. China's 2017 GDP is USD 12.5 trillions. At the current rate of growth, they are poised to overtake the empire in the near future. Oh, by the way, Xi Jinping is personally overseeing a total poverty elimination program by 2020.

    You LIED BIG on this one! LOL!

    4) China is not a shining beacon of democracy; it is the most perfect plutocracy ever realized

    Want to know what a perfect plutocracy looks like? How about one where the military-industrial complex instructs the "elected" government what kinds of weapons systems it should buy and how much to budget for every year. One where the financial banksters insisted on the "elected" government that they are too big to fail. One where the big pharmaceutical companies get away with murder by selling alzheimer suppression drugs that induced fatal heart attacks on its seniors. One where its big chemical companies can invent GMO agri-products that the "elected" government knew are laden with pesticides but approved it for sale anyhow.

    Nah, china never comes close...You LIED again.

    5) This is a nation that savagely grinds several completely separate ethnic minorities underfoot.

    This is a nation that lowers the college entrance examination scores for minorities so that they can get a university education comparable to their contemporaries in the cities. This is also a nation that gives preferential jobs and business opportunities to the minorities for fear that they may not be able to compete with the Hans. But if these minorities want to behave stupidly and grovel to their masters in "western democracies" to subvert china, then they deserved to be locked up or exiled for good. I believe treason is also punishable with death and imprisonment in "western democracies" too? Remember Chelsea Manning? Edward Snowden? Daniel Ellsberg?

    See, I caught you LYING again.
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  138. @Yee
    Jeff Stryker,

    "Muslims of Europe. "

    I think the refugee have been imported to Europe to create the "American-Black" in Europe, an alien underclass for the majority to direct their anger to, so they don't focus their anger on the ruling class.

    Better keep the poor busy fighting among themselves, not fighting the ruling class.

    That’s the best explanation of the reason for Merkel’s “welcoming policy” I’ve ever read. The only plausible alternative was that she has gone completely off her rocker.

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  139. Someone says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    He's very fair. He's well travelled and is very familiar with a lot of ethnicities, and you know what they say what familiarity breeds.

    He isn’t fair. Why does he judge whole ethnicities based on his bad experiences with individual blacks, hispanics, and Sino-Filipinos, yet he rails about white trash yet chooses to separate himself from the larger ethnic group?

    Lots of cognitive dissonance there. Or more succinctly, a hypocrite and a liar and yet another idiot who needs to gain self worth from scapegoating the out-group. At least he has confederates on this site.

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    He has become very familiar with his species of homo fatuus.
    , @Jeff Stryker
    The Chinese-Filipino was a blowhard and might have deported me (My own boss forced me to fire him) but mostly he was a blowhard. And after 3 days that was the end of that.

    I was much more afraid of the Brown Pride Cholos on the street or within proximity. Equally, I was wary of the Hood Rats.

    Blacks and Mestizos are more proactively aggressive and criminal. A Chinese-Filipino is not going to break into your house or burst into lethal violence on the road for no reason reason.

    Asians, no matter how malicious, have boundaries most of the time.

    This is why Chinese neighborhoods in the United States are not as dangerous as ghettos or barrios. You won't get jumped or killed in a Chinese neighborhood passing through. Chinese-American males generally won't break into nursing homes and rape senior citizens.

    There could be human trafficking and extortion in Asian-American neighborhoods. But they won't have sudden violent outbursts in public.
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  140. denk says:
    @sb
    I suppose I should be shocked but isn't this , what all countries who can,do?
    Isn' t it called intelligence gathering ?

    OTOH would there even be an East Timor state if it wasn't for Australia ?

    would there even be an East Timor state if it wasn’t for Australia ?

    ET lost ONE THIRD of its sons/daughters during the fukusA[ustralia] abetted invasion by Indonesia.
    Proportionally wise, this is even worse than the Cambodia/Laos genocides and the 1965 Indon bloodbath.

    You think ET should be grateful to fukusA ???

    P.S.
    Indon shock troops used genocide and mass rape to break ET resistance spirit, yet the brave ET resistance taunted the Indon army as ‘impotent invaders’.

    This is how Suharto’s buddies in fukusA mocked ET’s defiance…
    If the Indon are so impotent how do they manage to rape so many ET ladies, sounds like fun’ !

    The [email protected]#$%^!

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  141. Bucky says:
    @Colin Wright
    Looking over the responses, one can only speculate as to the source of the massive number of defenders of China -- usually completely uncritical defenders of China.

    It's incongruous. I'm not a Chinaphobe -- but let's face facts.

    This is a nation that less than thirty years ago used everything up to tanks to crush internal protests -- killing over ten thousand, according to their own internal documents. Compare and contrast to the record of any Western democracy. Compare and contrast to the record of apartheid South Africa, for that matter. Behavior like this hasn't been seen in any other civilized state for over a hundred years.

    This is a nation with perhaps the greatest wealth gap between the ruled and their rulers anywhere outside of the Arabian peninsula; look up the number of billionaires in the Congress of Peoples' Deputies. China is not a shining beacon of democracy; it is the most perfect plutocracy ever realized.

    This is a nation that savagely grinds several completely separate ethnic minorities underfoot. Supposedly, a million Uighers are now in some form of confinement. Add Tibet and a good chunk of the Mongol people. I assume there are other groups I'm simply unaware of. China is a state of the Han people, for the Han people, and by the Han people. It is an ethnocracy on a colossal scale.

    So why all the China-love? Yes, China has enormous potential. Yes, it may well be the way of the future. Is it admirable in all respects?

    No.

    This site is about giving alternative theories and orders a fair hearing. China-bashing is a bipartisan thing in America.

    Also likely a lot of Chinese are on here.

    Does anyone really give a shit about Uyghurs? The only reason most Americans find them useful is in the same way that the Soviet Communists found the black underclass useful: as a thorn and tool to use against a geopolitical competitor. And there are legitimate grievances in both. I think most people are intrigued by the potential in directing Muslim fanaticism against a useful enemy.

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  142. @Someone
    He isn't fair. Why does he judge whole ethnicities based on his bad experiences with individual blacks, hispanics, and Sino-Filipinos, yet he rails about white trash yet chooses to separate himself from the larger ethnic group?

    Lots of cognitive dissonance there. Or more succinctly, a hypocrite and a liar and yet another idiot who needs to gain self worth from scapegoating the out-group. At least he has confederates on this site.

    He has become very familiar with his species of homo fatuus.

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  143. Malla says:
    @Jeff Stryker
    What about the massacre of Armristar?

    JULIANWALA BAUG

    Well where do we start about the Amritsar Massacre. When did the Amritsar Jalianwala Baug incident take place? 1919. Close to WW1. And this is for a reason. As you know WW1 pitted the British Empire, French Empire and the Russian Empire against the German Empire, Austro Hungarian Empire and the Ottoman Empire. Not only did wars take place in the fields of Europe but skirmishes took place outside Europe among the colonies. For example, many German colonies in Africa were conquered by the British. Similarly due the Zionist forces in the British government wanting Palestine, the British Empire fought the Ottoman Empire and the Arab holdings of the Ottoman Empire was lost. Remember Lawrence of Arabia. Many British Indian troops were involved in the Middle Eastern campaigns.
    Well the Turks and the Germans thought, ‘Well if the British and French interfere in our Empires why should we not?’.
    Lets begin with the Turks. We had a strange dilemma here. What people do not realize is that the British Empire was the largest Islamic power in the world. This is because most Muslims of the world lived in this Empire, Indian subcontinent, Egypt, Malaysia etc… But the political head of the Muslims was the Caliph who was the Sultan of the Ottoman Empire. Very strange situation when you realize both the Empires were at war with one another. Well the Turks decided to send agents into Muslims colonies of the British Empire (India, Egypt) and French Empire (Algeria and North Africa in general) to rile up the masses in the name of the Caliph. This way Allied troops will have to be diverted in the colonies to keep the peace and thus they would be off the battle field. Thus in India we had the ‘Kalifat movement’ (Kalifat from Caliph, the Ottoman Emperor) where Muslims rioted in India resulting in the usual Hindu Muslim riots and killings. This Kalifat movement, shocked the Hindus and led to the creation of right winged Hindu organisations like the RSS (Rastriya Swayam Seva Sangh or National Self Help Organization) and VHP (Vishwa Hindu Parishad or World Hindu Council) in response to the Muslim riots . This mega fracturing in Hindu Muslim relations (which was never good but not THIS BAD) would eventually lead to the future partition of India into India and Pakistan. So the dumb action of the Turks in British India led to many serious ramifications in the future.
    Now we get the Germans. What many do not realize is that the Germans had built excellent networks in the British Empire especially India (and even Ireland, yes the Sinn Fein) with the aim to sabotage the British Empire. Well you cannot blame them because the Allies had attacked German colonies themselves, this was tit for tat. These deep networks within India originally built by German Imperial agents would be later used by another power, the Soviet Union, after the Germans lost interest after the war. The Soviet Union was hell bent on destroying the British Empire, Lenin said that the British Empire would be attacked at its extremities. But lets get back to the Germans whose actions led to the famous ‘Hindu-German conspiracy’ or the Gadar (traitor) party. Indeed the Kaiser of Germany sent letters to the royal families of India to switch their allegiance from the King Emperor of India (British Monarch) to the German Kaiser with the promise of a new German Indian Empire. Many Indian princes were interested and went to Germany but overall the Indian royal families (Hindu, Muslim and Buddhist) in general remained loyal to the Emperor. Indians working for the Germans tried to sabotage the British Indian government. There are entire tomes written on this with Indian ‘revolutionaries’ supported by German and Austrian agents played cat and mouse games with British agents throughout Europe and even America.
    Hell there was even a Hindu german conspiracy trial in the USA.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Hindu–German_Conspiracy_Trial

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    These Gadarites were mostly Punjabis (where the German networks were one of the strongest) and in 1915 they conducted revolutionary activities in central Punjab and organised uprisings. Their presence challenged the hold of the British Empire; police surveillance in Punjabi villages increased in an attempt to crush the rebellion.
    As Nesta Webster wrote in her book ‘Surrender of Empire’
    “On March 17, that is to say, on the eve of the great German offensive, a meeting of the German-Irish Society was held at the Hotd Adlon in Berlin under the auspices of the German Government. The meeting was addressed at length by Freiherr von Stumm, representing the Imperial Foreign Office representatives of the German Wax Office and Admiralty were present, also Abdul Malitch Haniza Bey, of the Committee of Egyptian Nationalists and Young Turli Organisation in Berne ; Datta Bhupendranath, alias Dutt, head of the Berlin Indians during the War, concerned in seditious publications against Great Britain; Champakaraman PUlai, a well-known agitator, and a number of other Indian and Egyptian sedition mongers. Dr. Chatterton-Hill and St. John Gaffney, representing Sinn Fein, were also present. Messages of congratulation were received from the Kaiser and Field-Marsh von Hindenburg.”
    …snip…
    “It is important to note that at this stage the Soviet Government took no part in the movement, which was purely an alliance between a section of German Monarchists and the enemies of Great Britain. Dr. Chatterton-HiH, who, after the German revolution of November 1918, tried to get into touch with Bolshevist circles in Germany and Switzerland, found the Bolsheviks unreceptive to his scheme of co-operation between Irish Republicanism and Russian Communism. It is obvious the two ideas would not blend. Nor was Moscow inclined to support, or at any rate to finance, the programme of the V.V.V. in which Communist propaganda was not included. Gradually, however, the Bolsheviks came to realise the utility of this organisation as a means for furthering the aims of world revolution by destroying British power in India, Egypt and Ireland, and when a further meeting took place in Berlin in October 1920, Moscow had decided that Berhn should remain the centre of the Germano-Bolshevik movement in the West, where all the wires connecting anti-British and anti-Entente movements in Ireland, India and Egypt should join.”
    …snip….
    “It is important to understand that this organisation, the V.V.V., later to be known as the ” League against Colonial Oppression,” and still later as the ” League against Imperialism,” usually attributed to Moscow, is of German Monarchists origin, formed in the first instance, not for Communist propaganda, but for propaganda against French and still more British ” Imperialism.” It was not the Boldxeviks, but the Germans who, having lost their own colonies in the War, first conceived the idea of rousing the peoples of the East against their Western rulers, and raised the cry of “ colonial oppression.” It was the German Monarchists who had united the enemies of Great Britain in the German-Irish Society, which provided the nucleus for the V.V.V. and brought Irish and Indian agitators in touch with each other. It was not, in fact, until after the meeting of the V.V.V. in Berlin in January 1920, when Moscow began to take an interest in the Irish Republican movement, that in June of that year the draft of a treaty was drawn up between Sinn Fein and the Soviet Republic.”
    …snip…
    “The most violent revolutionaries were as a rule those Indians who had received some education in the West of Europe. Centres of propaganda existed both in London and Paris. In 1905, a native of West^ India, Shyamiji Krishnavarma, started a ” Home Rule Society ” in London, and in the following year he instituted ” India House,” which became a hot-bed of sedition, a product of which was the young Indian, Dhingra, who assassinated Sir Curzon WyUie at the Imperial Institute on July 1, 1909.
    Unfortunately Mr. Blunt was not alone in his encouragement of sedition. A number of English men and women lent it their support. Many no doubt were sincere, believing they were helping the cause of ” freedom ” ; what they lacked was a knowledge of real conditions in India”
    …snip..
    “The truth is that, on the part of the great mass of the population, there was no spontaneous desire in the past to throw off British rule. The whole movement has been artificially engineered. The husband of the present writer, who served twenty years in India, keeping on excellent terms with Indians of all classes, never throughout this period heard a single Indian express a desire for self-government or any hostility to British rule. Indeed, the one appeal continually addressed to him was ; ” Sahib, see that my case is judged – by a Sahib and not by an Indian magistrate.”

    …snip…
    “The proportion of the Indian people consciously desiring self-government constituted only an infinitesimal fraction of the whole, but from the time of Lord Ripon’s scheme of ” Local Self-Government ” and its sequel in the proposed Ilbert Bill of 1883 for increasing the power of Indian judges and magistrates, defeated by the protests of Europeans in Calcutta, the course of British administration in India has been marked by concessions to this vocal minority, composed almost entirely of Indians educated in England. These men, drawn mainly from the hahi dass, after absorbing Western ideas on political and social questions, could find no scope for their activities on their return to their native land and consequently joined the ranks of agitators, if only as a means of advancement.
    Such was the encouragement given to the promoters of sedition that an Indian official once observed to a British officer : ” If you want to get on, you must become an agitator, and then the Government take notice of you and you may become a judge.” Thus in India as in Ireland, the same fatal policy of concession, of yielding, not to reasonable demands but to seditious agitation, helped to swell the army of malcontents. ”
    …snip….
    “It was left to Imperial Germany to inaugurate the latter method of undermining British rule in India, which is now being followed out with still greater energy by the Bolsheviks of Russia. It is from the date that the latter danger arose that laxity towards sedition has acquired a greater importance.
    The German conspiracy began several years before the Great War ; Bemhardi in his book, Germany and the Next War, published in 1911, had expressed the hope of shaking British power in India. Already at that date the Germans were working in touch with Indian revolutionaries in Europe, and the Ghair Revolutionary Party had been formed by a certain Hardayal in California, spreading the doctrine that Germany would strike at England. This man was again a product of Western education. As the Morning Post observed : ” The worst of the Indian extremists come from the English-educated stratum. The two most conspicuous outrage plotters, Hardayal and Krishnavarma, both took English University honours.” The bomb thrown at Lord Hardinge in Delhi in December 1912 was the outcome of this teaching.”

    …snip…
    “Amongst other members of the ” Indian National Party ” in Berlin was a certain Heramba Lai Gupta, who became Indian agent of Germany in America and worked with two German Americans, Boehm and Wehde, in training Indians for an invasion of Burma. All three men were tried and convicted at a State trial in Chicago in November 1917. The particular mission of Wehde was to convey 20,000 dollars of German money to the revolutionaries in India.
    This Indian revolutionary society in Berlin appears to have been later in close touch, if not identical, with the V.V.V. According to the official report of its activities, it aimed at establishing a republic in India, held constant meetings attended by Turks, Egyptians, German officals. Hardayal and Chattopadhya were in daily communication with the German Foreign Office. To carry out the revolution in India, there was an Oriental Bureau for translating and disseminating seditious literature to the Indian prisoners of war in Germany. Inflammatory letters, drafted by the German Government and addressed to Indian Princes as from the German authorities, were translated and printed. A consignment of these was intercepted by British agents in Persia on its way from Bagdad to India in 1916. They had the autograph signature of the German Chancellor von Bethmann Hollweg. ” Meetings were held in Berlin in which the common objects of India and Germany were dilated upon, these meetings being sometimes presided over by highly placed German officials.”
    …snip….
    Thus, when the Bolsheviks came into power their path had been already paved for them in the East by German agents, many of whom now passed into the service of Moscow to carry on the same anti-British propaganda, this time in the cause of world revolution.”

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    So we have seen that there were German and Soviet designs to destroy British Empire. The German designs out of revenge for loss of colonies during WW1 and Soviets because they wanted world revolution for their NWO.
    Also we have seen about the Gaddar Party, a seditious organization mostly made up of Punjabis. This is important, PUNJAB. Amritsar is in PUNJAB.
    Now before we go forward, we have one important person to know about, a scum so to speak. And he is Edwin Montagu, the Jewish Secretary of State of India during this period. During the reign of Montague we see the Montague-Clemsford reforms, where Edwin Montague openly writes that 95% of Indians are happy with British rule but the British givernment will itself create Indian Nationalism!!! It is during his tenure that we see a huge rise in anti British mass movements (before that is was not much of a India wide mass movement but rare sporadic acts of terrorism and riots, mostly local) which led to eventual Indian (and Pakistani) independence in 1947. Now the poster ‘Wizard of Oz’ claims that Montague playing a part in destroying the British Empire is nothing to do with the fact that he Jewish but that he had socialist leanings, common for his class at that times. Though I do not completely agree with this, I am just including this so that those reading this can make come to their own conclusions.
    Anyways this Montague is going to play a big part in destroying the career of Colonel Reginald Dyer, the officer who gave the order to fire.

    Some days before the massacre, gadar party members were all around radicalizing the population of Punjab, working on orders of their German and Soviet masters. On the day of the ‘massacre’ several banks and other government buildings, including the Town Hall and the railway station, were attacked, looted and set on fire. The violence continued to escalate, the crowd turned racist which culminating in the deaths of at least five Europeans, including government employees and innocent civilians. There was retaliatory shooting at crowds from the military several times during the day, and between eight and twenty people were killed.
    On 11 April, Miss Marcella Sherwood, an English missionary, fearing for the safety of her pupils, was on her way to shut the schools and send the roughly 600 Indian children home. While cycling through a narrow street called the Kucha Kurrichhan, she was caught by a mob, pulled to the ground by her hair, stripped naked, beaten, kicked, and left for dead. She was not involved with the British government in any way, she was attacked only on account of her race. Indeed in one occasion when she ran to an Indian house for safety, the people brutally shut the door on her face and left her to the mercy of the mob outside. She was eventually rescued by some local Indians, including the father of one of her pupils, who hid her from the mob and then smuggled her to safety.

    But what really happened at Amritsar at that time. Let Mrs. Webster explain from her book.

    "On February 28, 1921, the Soviet-Afghan Treaty was signed in Moscow, and a yearly subsidy in caA was lienceforth paid to Amanullah (Afghan terrorist) by Moscow up to 1926, when it was continued in the form of armaments, although a pact between Great Britain and Afghanistan had been negotiated in November 1921. Amanllah, who described Gandhi as his “ very, very great friend,” was a valuable ally for the Bolsheviks during the troubles in India in 1919. Never, indeed, since the Mutiny bad the country been in such a state of ferment. In the spring of 1919, simultaneously with the disorders in Egypt and following the same lines, a rising took place all over Northern and Western India, which culminated in the famous affair of the JaUianwallah Bagh on April 13.

    From the 10th to the 13th of April Amritsar had been in a state of anarchy. On the loth the mob had risen, burned banks and Government buildings, and after the first few minutes had murdered all Europeans on whom they could lay their hands with the exception of Miss Sherwood, a lady doctor greatly respected for her years of work in the city, whom they brutally assaulted and left for dead in the street.^ Mr. Montagu himself, in his official dispatch, stated : " In Amritsar itself, violence, murder and arson of the most savage description had occurred three days previously, and the city was still practically in possession of the mob.” Such was the state of affairs when Brigadier-General Dyer, in command of the Jullundur Brigade, arrived to take control of the situation on the evening of April 11. In the words of the Adjutant- General to the Legislative Council : .
    On the 9th and 12th, he [Brigadier-General Dyer] reorganised his troops and on the 12th he marched a column round and through the city in order that a display of force might have its effect on the minds of the populace. We have it on record that many spat on the ground as the troops passed. From the shouts of the mob it was dear that they were in an entirely unrepentant spirit. No military force was used on this occasion as the officer in command issued proclamations as to his future intentions before employing such force. From a military point of view he would have been quite justified, I hold, in using force on that day, but the General Officer Commanding decided to pursue his policy of patience and conciliation. A proclamation was issued on the evening of the 12th, and on the morning of the 13th April, the Officer Commanding marched with a body of troops through all the main streets of the city and announced by beat of drum his intentions of using force should occasion arise. The people were permitted to collect in order to hear the proclamations.

    In defiance of this, a huge mob of 15,000 to 20,000 people, armed with lathis — a formidable weapons made of solid bamboo shod with iron — collected in a piece of waste ground^ known as the Jallianwallah Bagh, which was frequently used for meetings, in the aftenoon of April 13. The meeting on this occasion was organised by Dr. Muhammad Bashir, who had throughout been conspicuous for his inflammatory language and was sentenced to death as a member of a criminal conspiracy. It was addressed by two other members of the same conspiracy and by an agitator who had been sentenced to transportation for life under the Defence of India Act. To say, as was afterwards alleged, that the meeting was a fortuitous one was therefore untrue. General Dyer, who had received notice that this assembly was to take place, contrary to the terms of the proclamation issued by him that morning, accordingly proceeded to the Jallianwallah Bagh at the head of a force consisting only of 50 Sepoys armed with rifles and 40 Gurkhas armed with kukris (Nepali knives). As they entered the Bagh (Park) an agitator was in the midst of haranguing the crowd. The speech was one in praise of murder and the speaker had been a member of the sanguinary mob on the loth. General Dyer thereupon opened fire and the crowd immediately began to disperse, but two groups appeared to be collecting as if to rush the troops, who then directed their fire on these points, with the result that the whole space was speedily cleared.
    This was the action for which General Dyer was censured a year later, mainly on two charges — for firing without warning and for continuing to fire longer than was said to have been necessary. But three warnings had been given that unlawful assemblies would be fired on, and General Dyer contended that he only continued to fire until the crowd dispersed. Yet even supposing it could have been proved that, confronted with a terrible and perplexing situation and obliged to come to an instant decision, General Dyer had erred on the side of over-severity, the fact remains that his action had the effect of breaking the spirit of rebellion in Amritsar and of restoring order, not only throughout the district, but all over India.
    After the news of his crushing the rebellion at its source had gone round — a. matter of a few days — not another shot had to be fired. If lives were lost in the Jallianwallah Bagh, countless lives were saved that must have been sacrificed if the riots had continued. Once again it was seen that at times of crisis resolute action leads to less bloodshed in the long run than excess of leniency.
    A parallel might be found in that classical example of the suppression of mob violence, the so-called “ Massacre of the Champ de Mars ” on July 17, 1791, when Lafayette’s troops, weary of being assailed with brickbats by a crowd that had already murdered two harmless individuals, opened fire, killing a number of their assailants and scattering the rest. This method of showing the mob that — as Gouvemeur Morris observed — " killing is a game that two can play at ” not only cleared the Champ de Mars of rioters, but sent the revolutionary leaders flying in all directions and stopped the French Revolution for a year.
    The “ massacre ” of the Jallianwallah Bagh had at first the same effect. On April 18 — ^five days later — Gandhi rediscovered his lost loyalty to the British Raj and advised his followers "to give Government effective co-operation in restoring order.” In a letter to the Times of India he expressed regret for having embarked on the mass movement of civil disobedience and said that he had " underrated the forces of evil.”
    The same day, April 18, Mrs. Besant (anti British agitator and member of the shady Theosophists, my comment not of Mrs Wester) also wrote to the Press, criticising Gandhi for his revolutionary activities. On her way down from Simla she had seen the account of the rioting at Delhi and Amritsar, and now wrote as follows ;
    I say that when a small handful of soldiers and police is face to face with a mob of many thousands, and the mob begins to pelt them with brickbats, it is more merciful to order the soldiers to fire a few volleys of buck shot than to allow the violence to gather strength until, either the town must be given up to mob me or machine-guns and bombs be brought into play. It is a terrible alternative, but any Government, worthy &e name, has to face it.

    Thus firm action at Delhi and Amritsar had won the respect of India’s two leading agitators ; at the same time it rallied loyal Indians to the support of the British Raj. A fortnight after the affair of the Jallianwallah Bagh, the leading men of the district came forward and offered General Dyer 10,000 Sikhs to fight for the Government against the Afghan invasion, of which news had just reached them, and inviting him to command them. General Dyer and his Brigade Major also received the unusual honour of being made Sikh and on several occasions General Dyer was acclaimed by Indian gatherings as the officer who had saved the situation. In October of the same year he was promoted to permanent command of a Brigade and in January 1920 to temporary command of a Division.
    But the effect of all this was counteracted by the action of Mr. Montagu and Lord Chelmsford, who, after the good results of the display of force at Amritsar had become visible, returned to their policy of conciliation ; a number of sentences passed on the rioters were reduced, one of the ringleaders was released unconditionally. Gandhi thereupon resumed his campaign, this time under the name of “ Non Co-operation '' ; meanwhile Mrs. Besant had sailed for England in order avowedly to assist Mr. Montagu in his Reform Scheme, but also to get in touch with the more extreme members of the Labour Party and the trade union leaders, in order to carry on propaganda with regard to British misrule in India.
    The final blow to the cause of law and order was delivered by the Hunter Committee, instituted by the Government to investigate the disturbances that had taken place in the Punjab, which in its Report, issued in March 1920, stated that it found " no evidence of an organised conspiracy " and ended by censuring General Dyer for his action in the Jallianwallah Bagh. General Dyer, who was given no trial and no opportunity to defend his conduct before a military tribunal, was thereupon deprived of his command and ordered to retire to England. The officials who had supported him met with the same condemnation. Sir Michael O'Dwyer, who was Governor of the Punjab at the time of the Amritsar riots, in a letter to the Morning Post of November 7, 1921, spoke of “ the extreme severity [of the Government] to its own officers and misguided leniency to the Punjab rebels,” with the result that the Indian Extremists have ever since ” been clamouring for the disgrace and dismissal of these unfortunate officers whose only fault was that in novel and critical conditions they had done their duty according to their lights. . . . The Government had bowed to that clamour. These officers know they are marked men and that their careers in India are blocked or ruined. Some have already left the Service in disgust.”
    Fortunately, in 1924 the full facts of the so-called " massacre ” were brought to light in a British High Court of Justice. The main issue in the libel suit brought by Sir Michael O'Dwyer against Sir Sankaran Nair (a member of the Government of India at the same date) was whether General Dyer’s action at Amritsar, of which Sir Michael O’Dwyer approved when informed of it, was an " atrocity ” as alleged by the defendant. After a hearing of five weeks, in which over 100 witnesses, British and Indian, were examined on oath, the judge, Sir A. McCardie, gave his considered opinion,which the jury accepted by a majority of ii-i, that “ General Dyer had in the exceptional circumstances acted rightly and had been wrongly condemned by the Secretary of State [Mr. Montagu).”
    British justice prevailed and Sir Michael O’Dwyer won his case. So much for the “massacre."
    The conduct of the Government with regard to the affair had far-reaching effects. Members of the Indian Civil Service refused to send their sons into it and felt it their duty to warn young men against going to India. As Lord Sydeiiham and Lord Ampthill pointed out in the House of Lords on October 25, 1921, “ one main cause of our growing difficulties in India is that our officials there can no longer count on the loyal support of the Government which they serve.” In consequence, the class of men who took up service in India deteriorated from that date, and part of the trouble taking place today in that country must be attributed to this fact. The Indian is very quick to recognise what he knows as a " Sahib ” ; unfortunately some of the officials now in India no longer answer to that description, and consequently fail to inspire respect.
    Another effect of the Dyer affair was to discourage loyal Indians who, after supporting the British Raj, were left to the mercy of the Extremists. As' an Indian observed to an acquaintance of the present writer at the time : “ We have nothing to lose by being England’s enemies and nothing to gain by being her friends.”
    By means of this policy the patient work of 150 years was undone in the space of two. As Sir Michael O’Dwyer wrote in the Daily Telegraph in September 1921 : " Our military and political position in India and the frontier was never so strong as in the summer of 1919. They have never since the Mutiny been so weak as to-day.” For this, accredited representatives of the British Raj were directly to blame.
    From the time of General Dyer’s disgrace onwards, a series of disturbances took place all over India — ^the renewed campaign of Gandhi — this time under the slogan of “ Swaraj ” (Home Rule) — ^the boycotting of the Duke of Connaught’s visit to India in February 1921, the hartals or strikes arranged by Gandhi and other insults levelled at the Prince of Wales on his arrival in December of the same year, the Moplah rising in the South-West — organised, as we have seen, by German agents — ^with the loss of at least 5,000 lives, and meanwhile the increasing audacity of the Bolsheviks which Sir Robert Home’s note to Krassin had done nothing to mitigate. Lord Reading, who replaced Lord Chelmsford as Viceroy in April, pursued the same policy of conciliation and accorded several interviews to Gandhi, who afterwards declared that the Viceroy had shown himself by no means hostile to the Non- Co-operation movement. In June Gandhi, encouraged by this reception, issued a Manifesto in which he said : " The Ali Brothers, like me, continue wilfully to break the law of sedition and therefore to court arrest.” No action was taken, and Gandhi, who had now identified himself with the Khilafat movement, went forth on a tour with Mahommed Ali and published a further Manifesto, proclaiming that “ Civil Disobedience is the sovereign remedy for all ills.” This was the man whom Mr. Montagu had called his ” friend ” ! "

    Prof Revilo Oliver writes in his article ‘Enemies of Europe’.
    "The work of dismembering the British Empire was carried on by a Jew residing in England, Rufus Isaacs, who was rewarded for his involvement in the malodorous Marconi scandal (18) by being successively created Baron, Viscount Earl, and finally Marquess of Reading, Lord Chief Justice (!) of England, and Viceroy of India, where he made a feint of maintaining British rule while sapping its foundations. (19) His fellow tribesmen ran interference for him in England by a standard ploy, using their increasing control of the English press to publicize shrill protests that he was "brutally" failing to truckle sufficiently to the "aspirations" of babbling babes, whose minds had been stuffed with "democratic" verbiage in British schools. And so, in 1947, the British ignominiously retreated from their largest colonial possession, and the Hindus and Moslems promptly began to massacre each other on a scale that brought joy to the hearts of the apostles of "self-determination." And the "Republic of India" and Pakistan were created as enemies of our race and civilization.

    (19. See the inadvertent admissions in the laudatory biography by H. Montgomery Hyde, Lord Reading (London, 1967), Chapter 8. For example, he censured and forced the resignation of General Dyer for having restored order in Amritsar after a mob killed five Englishmen, beat an Englishwoman almost to death, looted banks, and otherwise exhibited their idealistic aspiration. The fact that General Dyer had been publicly thanked by the decent Sikhs, who bestowed on him the highest honor in their power, merely proved the need for the "radical revolution" that would teach them "nationhood" and perpetual violence. Another trick was a loud campaign to end "racial discrimination," an infallible means of stirring up trouble and inciting other races to hate ours.) "
    , @Anon
    Thanks for telling the truth about the
    so called massacre. The rioters were given every chance to disperse peacefully, but they charged first.
    And got what they deserved.

    Why didn’t Jeff the ignorant mention the 40 million Indians massacred each other as soon as the British left?
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  144. @Colin Wright
    Looking over the responses, one can only speculate as to the source of the massive number of defenders of China -- usually completely uncritical defenders of China.

    It's incongruous. I'm not a Chinaphobe -- but let's face facts.

    This is a nation that less than thirty years ago used everything up to tanks to crush internal protests -- killing over ten thousand, according to their own internal documents. Compare and contrast to the record of any Western democracy. Compare and contrast to the record of apartheid South Africa, for that matter. Behavior like this hasn't been seen in any other civilized state for over a hundred years.

    This is a nation with perhaps the greatest wealth gap between the ruled and their rulers anywhere outside of the Arabian peninsula; look up the number of billionaires in the Congress of Peoples' Deputies. China is not a shining beacon of democracy; it is the most perfect plutocracy ever realized.

    This is a nation that savagely grinds several completely separate ethnic minorities underfoot. Supposedly, a million Uighers are now in some form of confinement. Add Tibet and a good chunk of the Mongol people. I assume there are other groups I'm simply unaware of. China is a state of the Han people, for the Han people, and by the Han people. It is an ethnocracy on a colossal scale.

    So why all the China-love? Yes, China has enormous potential. Yes, it may well be the way of the future. Is it admirable in all respects?

    No.

    A country can be a totalitarianism without it being a plutocracy, though. That’s the point. Its a country with a lot of problems, but it still is worthwhile to identify what’s true and not true. The commies can be assholes, but these days they’re mostly rational assholes and reason’s surprisingly nice.

    The entire extension into Mongols is bewildering and hilarious. I am part-Mongol. Halp, I’m being oppressed. Um, no?

    Uighers harbor murderous radicals that haven’t gone for more than a few years without inflicting a mass terrorist attack, and a long history of massacring Han civilians. And no, we’re not talking about rioting and stabbing. Mass, organized slaughter.

    China is a state of the Han people, for the Han people, and by the Han people.

    China is the state of the Communist Party, for the Communist Party, and by the Communist Party. The Han just happen to live in their world.

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    '...China is the state of the Communist Party, for the Communist Party, and by the Communist Party...'

    There you go. And Communism provides an ideological justification for massive economic disparity and unfettered capitalism how?

    The current order in China lacks any ideological foundation; the kind of ideological foundation that saw the US through the Great Depression or Iran through her war with Iraq, for example. A severe trauma comes along (which they have a nasty habit of doing) and what's going to happen?
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  145. Miro23 says:
    @Colin Wright
    '...Unlike their predecessors they aren’t going into the third world with any intention of bringing Christ or Cricket to the natives, or teaching them to speak French and think of themselves as universal citizens of the Empire. Wisely; they’re just there for the loot.'

    Yeah -- but we more or less started out that way. Look up 'dollar diplomacy.' It wasn't until President Wilson that we started injecting morality into every transaction -- and it wasn't until the Cold War that we actually started seeking to determine events globally.

    The same, incidentally, could be said to at least some extent of British colonialism. The East India Company was very frankly in it all for the money, and -- again -- it wasn't until the middle of the nineteenth century that Britain started treating her empire as anything more than a way of making money. Notice the relative willingness with which she had earlier parted with the American colonies -- 'nuts to this; it isn't paying.' It really doesn't seem to have been much of a blow to her self-esteem at all.

    So China now may be in it for a quick buck. It remains to be seen if that's still the case fifty years from now. Who knows what sense of global mission they'll have acquired by then.

    So China now may be in it for a quick buck. It remains to be seen if that’s still the case fifty years from now. Who knows what sense of global mission they’ll have acquired by then.

    Yes, it’s very much an open question – but I’d be inclined to see China going the same way as Britain and the US (and almost all international economic/political projects). As you say, trade and industry come first with international markets, but when the wealth and power arrive and are taken for granted then you get the ideas of racial superiority and Imperial Right.

    If we’re the richest and most industrially successful people in the world isn’t it obvious that we are superior to lesser races and have a divine right to rule others?

    And the Chinese are already quite familiar with the ethnic superiority idea, for example the highly corrupt billionaire overseas Chinese of S.E.Asia. They operate as ethnic packs and have a vice grip on the economies of places like Thailand and Indonesia , and they are not nice people.

    Ref. Joe Studwell’s, “Asian Godfathers: Money and Power in Hong Kong and Southeast Asia”

    https://www.amazon.com/Asian-Godfathers-Money-Power-Southeast-ebook/dp/B008V4621S

    Essential reading on the wholesale looting of S.E.Asia.

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  146. Someone says:

    More like he’s a typical misanthrope and selective racist. Way to defend your racist buddy. For all the talk about bullsh*t HBD here, most of the racists are too dumb to see the irony.

    Kinda like the KKK guys who railed against atavistic blacks and Catholics and saw themselves as morally superior (on account of race), all while disavowing any link between themselves and the bad behavior of fellow WASPs.

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  147. denk says:
    @Malla
    denk my ol friend


    The Don also stabs his freinds. Like what the Don (USA) did to the British, French etc... Empires

    From the book: The New Unhappy Lords

    https://ia800500.us.archive.org/23/items/TheNewUnhappyLords/TheNewUnhappyLords.pdf

    As far as is known “America’s” anti-British policy was first given concrete expression in the brief that General Marshall took with him to the Quebec Conference in 1943.
    This was to the effect that the greatest single obstacle to the expansion of America’s export-capitalism after the war would be not the Soviet Union but the British Empire.
    What this meant, in practical terms, was that as soon as the enemies in the field had been disposed of would come the turn of the British Empire to be progressively destroyed and that means to this end would be shaped even while hostilities raged. The moment they were over the campaign could begin in real earnest, the signal for which was to be Truman’s abrupt dropping of Lend-Lease to an ally whose economy had been so closely geared to war production that many markets for her goods had been systematically referred to U.S producers.
    The British Empire was not the only ally marked down for liquidation. The Dutch Empire in the East Indies and the French Empire in Indo-China and Africa were also high on the list

    What many people do not know is that the after the damage done by the Great Depression (the total Wall Street take over of the US Economy and the looting of independent American business with the help of the private ‘Federal’ reserve ), The British Government put restrictions on trade in between the British Empire and USA to protect the economies of Britain and all of her colonies from the wall street pigs.

    In Page 22 of the book we read

    “However, as has happened time and again throughout history, the money-lenders had tended to overplay their hand. The six million German unemployed who were the victims of the “Great Depression” resulted in a formidable revolt against the Money Power—the revolt of Adolf Hitler. There was also a rebellion, although of a much milder kind, in Great Britain and the British nations overseas, whose representatives met in Ottawa in 1932 to hammer out a system of Imperial Preferences calculated to insulate the British world against Wall St. amok-runs. These Preferences, as we shall see, incurred the unrelenting hostility of the New York Money Power and the only reason why a show-down was not forced was the far more serious threat to the international financial system implicit in the econo­mic doctrines of the Third Reich.”

    In other words, the Wall street greedy pigs after devouring American industry came to the conclusion that they faced a major threat from Third Reich Germany (the barter system used by the regime) as well as to a lesser extent from the British Empire (and other Empires). Hence the war to destroy Third Reich Germany, Japanese Empire and Italy and then after the war the eventual slow destruction of the European Empires, especially the British Empire. And hence we suddenly see ‘independence movements’ sprouting all over the world and succeeding. Even before the war we had ‘independence movements’ and ‘communist movements’ all around the world thanks to their pet ‘Soviet Russia’s’ agents going all around and ‘radicalising the masses’, all with the blessings of Wall Street Banker pigs.

    BTW bad news ol pal

    https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/china/mahathir-fears-new-colonialism-cancels-2-chinese-projects-on-beijing-visit/articleshow/65493634.cms

    Malaysian PM Mahathir fears new colonialism, this time from China, cancels 2 Chinese projects on Beijing visit

    Fukushi strikes again?????

    fukusI

    You got a point there.

    Like they say, ‘you just cant put a good man down for long‘.
    Im not talking about Anwar, but uncle sham.

    fukus has been trying to oust Najib the Panda hugger for years. Looks like it has finally get its man.

    AFAIC, fukusI finger print is all over the place.

    *Somebody with the resources has been feeding scoops on Najib’s alleged shady deals to the WARsj, which has been mounting a media blitz on the Malaysian govn,

    *When fukusI deposed China friendly leaders in Sri Lanka, Nepal etc, the very first act taken by Washington’s stooge was to renege on Chinese investments signed with the previous govn.
    True to form, thats what Mahathir just did.

    *And,,,,….here’s Food for thought,…
    Why is Mahathir partnering with once bitter foe Anwar, a certified fukus poster boy , NED, AEI alumni ???

    Its getting Curiouser and curiouser

    hhhhhh

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  148. denk says:
    @Colin Wright
    Looking over the responses, one can only speculate as to the source of the massive number of defenders of China -- usually completely uncritical defenders of China.

    It's incongruous. I'm not a Chinaphobe -- but let's face facts.

    This is a nation that less than thirty years ago used everything up to tanks to crush internal protests -- killing over ten thousand, according to their own internal documents. Compare and contrast to the record of any Western democracy. Compare and contrast to the record of apartheid South Africa, for that matter. Behavior like this hasn't been seen in any other civilized state for over a hundred years.

    This is a nation with perhaps the greatest wealth gap between the ruled and their rulers anywhere outside of the Arabian peninsula; look up the number of billionaires in the Congress of Peoples' Deputies. China is not a shining beacon of democracy; it is the most perfect plutocracy ever realized.

    This is a nation that savagely grinds several completely separate ethnic minorities underfoot. Supposedly, a million Uighers are now in some form of confinement. Add Tibet and a good chunk of the Mongol people. I assume there are other groups I'm simply unaware of. China is a state of the Han people, for the Han people, and by the Han people. It is an ethnocracy on a colossal scale.

    So why all the China-love? Yes, China has enormous potential. Yes, it may well be the way of the future. Is it admirable in all respects?

    No.

    jeeze

    YOu might not be a sinophobe, but definitely a
    mushroom….

    Kept in the dark and fed bushit all day long

    After my consultation with Zou Gong I will show you whats facts and whats bushit.

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  149. DB Cooper says:
    @Colin Wright
    Looking over the responses, one can only speculate as to the source of the massive number of defenders of China -- usually completely uncritical defenders of China.

    It's incongruous. I'm not a Chinaphobe -- but let's face facts.

    This is a nation that less than thirty years ago used everything up to tanks to crush internal protests -- killing over ten thousand, according to their own internal documents. Compare and contrast to the record of any Western democracy. Compare and contrast to the record of apartheid South Africa, for that matter. Behavior like this hasn't been seen in any other civilized state for over a hundred years.

    This is a nation with perhaps the greatest wealth gap between the ruled and their rulers anywhere outside of the Arabian peninsula; look up the number of billionaires in the Congress of Peoples' Deputies. China is not a shining beacon of democracy; it is the most perfect plutocracy ever realized.

    This is a nation that savagely grinds several completely separate ethnic minorities underfoot. Supposedly, a million Uighers are now in some form of confinement. Add Tibet and a good chunk of the Mongol people. I assume there are other groups I'm simply unaware of. China is a state of the Han people, for the Han people, and by the Han people. It is an ethnocracy on a colossal scale.

    So why all the China-love? Yes, China has enormous potential. Yes, it may well be the way of the future. Is it admirable in all respects?

    No.

    “This is a nation that savagely grinds several completely separate ethnic minorities underfoot. Supposedly, a million Uighers are now in some form of confinement. Add Tibet and a good chunk of the Mongol people. I assume there are other groups I’m simply unaware of. China is a state of the Han people, for the Han people, and by the Han people. It is an ethnocracy on a colossal scale.”

    There are some videos apparently made by Uighers themselves showing their plight in China leaked to the outside world. Here is one such video. Warning: the content may be insensitive and will be offensive to some viewers. Watch it at your own discretion.

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    I guess ISIS in Syria also has complaints about its treatment. I am sure the cannibal who ate Syrian soldier’s heart on camera (https://www.cnn.com/2013/05/14/world/meast/syria-eaten-heart/index.html) or those who beheaded a boy in Syria on camera (https://www.timesofisrael.com/video-shows-palestinian-boy-beheaded-by-us-backed-syrian-rebels/) also have grievances. Care to air them?
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  150. @Colin Wright
    Looking over the responses, one can only speculate as to the source of the massive number of defenders of China -- usually completely uncritical defenders of China.

    It's incongruous. I'm not a Chinaphobe -- but let's face facts.

    This is a nation that less than thirty years ago used everything up to tanks to crush internal protests -- killing over ten thousand, according to their own internal documents. Compare and contrast to the record of any Western democracy. Compare and contrast to the record of apartheid South Africa, for that matter. Behavior like this hasn't been seen in any other civilized state for over a hundred years.

    This is a nation with perhaps the greatest wealth gap between the ruled and their rulers anywhere outside of the Arabian peninsula; look up the number of billionaires in the Congress of Peoples' Deputies. China is not a shining beacon of democracy; it is the most perfect plutocracy ever realized.

    This is a nation that savagely grinds several completely separate ethnic minorities underfoot. Supposedly, a million Uighers are now in some form of confinement. Add Tibet and a good chunk of the Mongol people. I assume there are other groups I'm simply unaware of. China is a state of the Han people, for the Han people, and by the Han people. It is an ethnocracy on a colossal scale.

    So why all the China-love? Yes, China has enormous potential. Yes, it may well be the way of the future. Is it admirable in all respects?

    No.

    Care to provide evidence for your claims? The estimates of the number of Tiananmen square victims range from 218 to over 10,000 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiananmen_Square_protests_of_1989). The upper figures were aired by Western MSM, who were repeatedly caught spreading blatant lies about Bosnia, Serbia, Kosovo, Libya, Syria, Ukraine, Russia, and many other countries.

    According to the Guardian, in 2018 alone there were 1093 people killed by the police in the “democratic” US (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/series/counted-us-police-killings). I fully appreciate that the Guardian is hardly a reliable source, but that number is far greater than many estimates of Tiananmen square victims. Higher estimates tend to come from sources at least as unreliable as the Guardian.

    Are you the only person who knows the correct number of those killed in 1989 in Tiananmen square? Give us the numbers and the sources, then.

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  151. Malla says:
    @Malla
    JULIANWALA BAUG

    Well where do we start about the Amritsar Massacre. When did the Amritsar Jalianwala Baug incident take place? 1919. Close to WW1. And this is for a reason. As you know WW1 pitted the British Empire, French Empire and the Russian Empire against the German Empire, Austro Hungarian Empire and the Ottoman Empire. Not only did wars take place in the fields of Europe but skirmishes took place outside Europe among the colonies. For example, many German colonies in Africa were conquered by the British. Similarly due the Zionist forces in the British government wanting Palestine, the British Empire fought the Ottoman Empire and the Arab holdings of the Ottoman Empire was lost. Remember Lawrence of Arabia. Many British Indian troops were involved in the Middle Eastern campaigns.
    Well the Turks and the Germans thought, 'Well if the British and French interfere in our Empires why should we not?'.
    Lets begin with the Turks. We had a strange dilemma here. What people do not realize is that the British Empire was the largest Islamic power in the world. This is because most Muslims of the world lived in this Empire, Indian subcontinent, Egypt, Malaysia etc... But the political head of the Muslims was the Caliph who was the Sultan of the Ottoman Empire. Very strange situation when you realize both the Empires were at war with one another. Well the Turks decided to send agents into Muslims colonies of the British Empire (India, Egypt) and French Empire (Algeria and North Africa in general) to rile up the masses in the name of the Caliph. This way Allied troops will have to be diverted in the colonies to keep the peace and thus they would be off the battle field. Thus in India we had the 'Kalifat movement' (Kalifat from Caliph, the Ottoman Emperor) where Muslims rioted in India resulting in the usual Hindu Muslim riots and killings. This Kalifat movement, shocked the Hindus and led to the creation of right winged Hindu organisations like the RSS (Rastriya Swayam Seva Sangh or National Self Help Organization) and VHP (Vishwa Hindu Parishad or World Hindu Council) in response to the Muslim riots . This mega fracturing in Hindu Muslim relations (which was never good but not THIS BAD) would eventually lead to the future partition of India into India and Pakistan. So the dumb action of the Turks in British India led to many serious ramifications in the future.
    Now we get the Germans. What many do not realize is that the Germans had built excellent networks in the British Empire especially India (and even Ireland, yes the Sinn Fein) with the aim to sabotage the British Empire. Well you cannot blame them because the Allies had attacked German colonies themselves, this was tit for tat. These deep networks within India originally built by German Imperial agents would be later used by another power, the Soviet Union, after the Germans lost interest after the war. The Soviet Union was hell bent on destroying the British Empire, Lenin said that the British Empire would be attacked at its extremities. But lets get back to the Germans whose actions led to the famous 'Hindu-German conspiracy' or the Gadar (traitor) party. Indeed the Kaiser of Germany sent letters to the royal families of India to switch their allegiance from the King Emperor of India (British Monarch) to the German Kaiser with the promise of a new German Indian Empire. Many Indian princes were interested and went to Germany but overall the Indian royal families (Hindu, Muslim and Buddhist) in general remained loyal to the Emperor. Indians working for the Germans tried to sabotage the British Indian government. There are entire tomes written on this with Indian 'revolutionaries' supported by German and Austrian agents played cat and mouse games with British agents throughout Europe and even America.
    Hell there was even a Hindu german conspiracy trial in the USA.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Hindu–German_Conspiracy_Trial

    These Gadarites were mostly Punjabis (where the German networks were one of the strongest) and in 1915 they conducted revolutionary activities in central Punjab and organised uprisings. Their presence challenged the hold of the British Empire; police surveillance in Punjabi villages increased in an attempt to crush the rebellion.
    As Nesta Webster wrote in her book ‘Surrender of Empire’
    “On March 17, that is to say, on the eve of the great German offensive, a meeting of the German-Irish Society was held at the Hotd Adlon in Berlin under the auspices of the German Government. The meeting was addressed at length by Freiherr von Stumm, representing the Imperial Foreign Office representatives of the German Wax Office and Admiralty were present, also Abdul Malitch Haniza Bey, of the Committee of Egyptian Nationalists and Young Turli Organisation in Berne ; Datta Bhupendranath, alias Dutt, head of the Berlin Indians during the War, concerned in seditious publications against Great Britain; Champakaraman PUlai, a well-known agitator, and a number of other Indian and Egyptian sedition mongers. Dr. Chatterton-Hill and St. John Gaffney, representing Sinn Fein, were also present. Messages of congratulation were received from the Kaiser and Field-Marsh von Hindenburg.”
    …snip…
    “It is important to note that at this stage the Soviet Government took no part in the movement, which was purely an alliance between a section of German Monarchists and the enemies of Great Britain. Dr. Chatterton-HiH, who, after the German revolution of November 1918, tried to get into touch with Bolshevist circles in Germany and Switzerland, found the Bolsheviks unreceptive to his scheme of co-operation between Irish Republicanism and Russian Communism. It is obvious the two ideas would not blend. Nor was Moscow inclined to support, or at any rate to finance, the programme of the V.V.V. in which Communist propaganda was not included. Gradually, however, the Bolsheviks came to realise the utility of this organisation as a means for furthering the aims of world revolution by destroying British power in India, Egypt and Ireland, and when a further meeting took place in Berlin in October 1920, Moscow had decided that Berhn should remain the centre of the Germano-Bolshevik movement in the West, where all the wires connecting anti-British and anti-Entente movements in Ireland, India and Egypt should join.”
    …snip….
    “It is important to understand that this organisation, the V.V.V., later to be known as the ” League against Colonial Oppression,” and still later as the " League against Imperialism,” usually attributed to Moscow, is of German Monarchists origin, formed in the first instance, not for Communist propaganda, but for propaganda against French and still more British " Imperialism.” It was not the Boldxeviks, but the Germans who, having lost their own colonies in the War, first conceived the idea of rousing the peoples of the East against their Western rulers, and raised the cry of “ colonial oppression.” It was the German Monarchists who had united the enemies of Great Britain in the German-Irish Society, which provided the nucleus for the V.V.V. and brought Irish and Indian agitators in touch with each other. It was not, in fact, until after the meeting of the V.V.V. in Berlin in January 1920, when Moscow began to take an interest in the Irish Republican movement, that in June of that year the draft of a treaty was drawn up between Sinn Fein and the Soviet Republic.”
    …snip…
    “The most violent revolutionaries were as a rule those Indians who had received some education in the West of Europe. Centres of propaganda existed both in London and Paris. In 1905, a native of West^ India, Shyamiji Krishnavarma, started a " Home Rule Society " in London, and in the following year he instituted " India House,” which became a hot-bed of sedition, a product of which was the young Indian, Dhingra, who assassinated Sir Curzon WyUie at the Imperial Institute on July 1, 1909.
    Unfortunately Mr. Blunt was not alone in his encouragement of sedition. A number of English men and women lent it their support. Many no doubt were sincere, believing they were helping the cause of " freedom ” ; what they lacked was a knowledge of real conditions in India”
    …snip..
    “The truth is that, on the part of the great mass of the population, there was no spontaneous desire in the past to throw off British rule. The whole movement has been artificially engineered. The husband of the present writer, who served twenty years in India, keeping on excellent terms with Indians of all classes, never throughout this period heard a single Indian express a desire for self-government or any hostility to British rule. Indeed, the one appeal continually addressed to him was ; " Sahib, see that my case is judged - by a Sahib and not by an Indian magistrate.”

    …snip…
    “The proportion of the Indian people consciously desiring self-government constituted only an infinitesimal fraction of the whole, but from the time of Lord Ripon’s scheme of " Local Self-Government " and its sequel in the proposed Ilbert Bill of 1883 for increasing the power of Indian judges and magistrates, defeated by the protests of Europeans in Calcutta, the course of British administration in India has been marked by concessions to this vocal minority, composed almost entirely of Indians educated in England. These men, drawn mainly from the hahi dass, after absorbing Western ideas on political and social questions, could find no scope for their activities on their return to their native land and consequently joined the ranks of agitators, if only as a means of advancement.
    Such was the encouragement given to the promoters of sedition that an Indian official once observed to a British officer : " If you want to get on, you must become an agitator, and then the Government take notice of you and you may become a judge.” Thus in India as in Ireland, the same fatal policy of concession, of yielding, not to reasonable demands but to seditious agitation, helped to swell the army of malcontents. ”
    …snip….
    “It was left to Imperial Germany to inaugurate the latter method of undermining British rule in India, which is now being followed out with still greater energy by the Bolsheviks of Russia. It is from the date that the latter danger arose that laxity towards sedition has acquired a greater importance.
    The German conspiracy began several years before the Great War ; Bemhardi in his book, Germany and the Next War, published in 1911, had expressed the hope of shaking British power in India. Already at that date the Germans were working in touch with Indian revolutionaries in Europe, and the Ghair Revolutionary Party had been formed by a certain Hardayal in California, spreading the doctrine that Germany would strike at England. This man was again a product of Western education. As the Morning Post observed : " The worst of the Indian extremists come from the English-educated stratum. The two most conspicuous outrage plotters, Hardayal and Krishnavarma, both took English University honours.” The bomb thrown at Lord Hardinge in Delhi in December 1912 was the outcome of this teaching.”

    …snip…
    “Amongst other members of the " Indian National Party ” in Berlin was a certain Heramba Lai Gupta, who became Indian agent of Germany in America and worked with two German Americans, Boehm and Wehde, in training Indians for an invasion of Burma. All three men were tried and convicted at a State trial in Chicago in November 1917. The particular mission of Wehde was to convey 20,000 dollars of German money to the revolutionaries in India.
    This Indian revolutionary society in Berlin appears to have been later in close touch, if not identical, with the V.V.V. According to the official report of its activities, it aimed at establishing a republic in India, held constant meetings attended by Turks, Egyptians, German officals. Hardayal and Chattopadhya were in daily communication with the German Foreign Office. To carry out the revolution in India, there was an Oriental Bureau for translating and disseminating seditious literature to the Indian prisoners of war in Germany. Inflammatory letters, drafted by the German Government and addressed to Indian Princes as from the German authorities, were translated and printed. A consignment of these was intercepted by British agents in Persia on its way from Bagdad to India in 1916. They had the autograph signature of the German Chancellor von Bethmann Hollweg. " Meetings were held in Berlin in which the common objects of India and Germany were dilated upon, these meetings being sometimes presided over by highly placed German officials.”
    …snip….
    Thus, when the Bolsheviks came into power their path had been already paved for them in the East by German agents, many of whom now passed into the service of Moscow to carry on the same anti-British propaganda, this time in the cause of world revolution.”

    So we have seen that there were German and Soviet designs to destroy British Empire. The German designs out of revenge for loss of colonies during WW1 and Soviets because they wanted world revolution for their NWO.
    Also we have seen about the Gaddar Party, a seditious organization mostly made up of Punjabis. This is important, PUNJAB. Amritsar is in PUNJAB.
    Now before we go forward, we have one important person to know about, a scum so to speak. And he is Edwin Montagu, the Jewish Secretary of State of India during this period. During the reign of Montague we see the Montague-Clemsford reforms, where Edwin Montague openly writes that 95% of Indians are happy with British rule but the British givernment will itself create Indian Nationalism!!! It is during his tenure that we see a huge rise in anti British mass movements (before that is was not much of a India wide mass movement but rare sporadic acts of terrorism and riots, mostly local) which led to eventual Indian (and Pakistani) independence in 1947. Now the poster ‘Wizard of Oz’ claims that Montague playing a part in destroying the British Empire is nothing to do with the fact that he Jewish but that he had socialist leanings, common for his class at that times. Though I do not completely agree with this, I am just including this so that those reading this can make come to their own conclusions.
    Anyways this Montague is going to play a big part in destroying the career of Colonel Reginald Dyer, the officer who gave the order to fire.

    Some days before the massacre, gadar party members were all around radicalizing the population of Punjab, working on orders of their German and Soviet masters. On the day of the ‘massacre’ several banks and other government buildings, including the Town Hall and the railway station, were attacked, looted and set on fire. The violence continued to escalate, the crowd turned racist which culminating in the deaths of at least five Europeans, including government employees and innocent civilians. There was retaliatory shooting at crowds from the military several times during the day, and between eight and twenty people were killed.
    On 11 April, Miss Marcella Sherwood, an English missionary, fearing for the safety of her pupils, was on her way to shut the schools and send the roughly 600 Indian children home. While cycling through a narrow street called the Kucha Kurrichhan, she was caught by a mob, pulled to the ground by her hair, stripped naked, beaten, kicked, and left for dead. She was not involved with the British government in any way, she was attacked only on account of her race. Indeed in one occasion when she ran to an Indian house for safety, the people brutally shut the door on her face and left her to the mercy of the mob outside. She was eventually rescued by some local Indians, including the father of one of her pupils, who hid her from the mob and then smuggled her to safety.

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    But what really happened at Amritsar at that time. Let Mrs. Webster explain from her book.

    “On February 28, 1921, the Soviet-Afghan Treaty was signed in Moscow, and a yearly subsidy in caA was lienceforth paid to Amanullah (Afghan terrorist) by Moscow up to 1926, when it was continued in the form of armaments, although a pact between Great Britain and Afghanistan had been negotiated in November 1921. Amanllah, who described Gandhi as his “ very, very great friend,” was a valuable ally for the Bolsheviks during the troubles in India in 1919. Never, indeed, since the Mutiny bad the country been in such a state of ferment. In the spring of 1919, simultaneously with the disorders in Egypt and following the same lines, a rising took place all over Northern and Western India, which culminated in the famous affair of the JaUianwallah Bagh on April 13.

    From the 10th to the 13th of April Amritsar had been in a state of anarchy. On the loth the mob had risen, burned banks and Government buildings, and after the first few minutes had murdered all Europeans on whom they could lay their hands with the exception of Miss Sherwood, a lady doctor greatly respected for her years of work in the city, whom they brutally assaulted and left for dead in the street.^ Mr. Montagu himself, in his official dispatch, stated : ” In Amritsar itself, violence, murder and arson of the most savage description had occurred three days previously, and the city was still practically in possession of the mob.” Such was the state of affairs when Brigadier-General Dyer, in command of the Jullundur Brigade, arrived to take control of the situation on the evening of April 11. In the words of the Adjutant- General to the Legislative Council : .
    On the 9th and 12th, he [Brigadier-General Dyer] reorganised his troops and on the 12th he marched a column round and through the city in order that a display of force might have its effect on the minds of the populace. We have it on record that many spat on the ground as the troops passed. From the shouts of the mob it was dear that they were in an entirely unrepentant spirit. No military force was used on this occasion as the officer in command issued proclamations as to his future intentions before employing such force. From a military point of view he would have been quite justified, I hold, in using force on that day, but the General Officer Commanding decided to pursue his policy of patience and conciliation. A proclamation was issued on the evening of the 12th, and on the morning of the 13th April, the Officer Commanding marched with a body of troops through all the main streets of the city and announced by beat of drum his intentions of using force should occasion arise. The people were permitted to collect in order to hear the proclamations.

    In defiance of this, a huge mob of 15,000 to 20,000 people, armed with lathis — a formidable weapons made of solid bamboo shod with iron — collected in a piece of waste ground^ known as the Jallianwallah Bagh, which was frequently used for meetings, in the aftenoon of April 13. The meeting on this occasion was organised by Dr. Muhammad Bashir, who had throughout been conspicuous for his inflammatory language and was sentenced to death as a member of a criminal conspiracy. It was addressed by two other members of the same conspiracy and by an agitator who had been sentenced to transportation for life under the Defence of India Act. To say, as was afterwards alleged, that the meeting was a fortuitous one was therefore untrue. General Dyer, who had received notice that this assembly was to take place, contrary to the terms of the proclamation issued by him that morning, accordingly proceeded to the Jallianwallah Bagh at the head of a force consisting only of 50 Sepoys armed with rifles and 40 Gurkhas armed with kukris (Nepali knives). As they entered the Bagh (Park) an agitator was in the midst of haranguing the crowd. The speech was one in praise of murder and the speaker had been a member of the sanguinary mob on the loth. General Dyer thereupon opened fire and the crowd immediately began to disperse, but two groups appeared to be collecting as if to rush the troops, who then directed their fire on these points, with the result that the whole space was speedily cleared.
    This was the action for which General Dyer was censured a year later, mainly on two charges — for firing without warning and for continuing to fire longer than was said to have been necessary. But three warnings had been given that unlawful assemblies would be fired on, and General Dyer contended that he only continued to fire until the crowd dispersed. Yet even supposing it could have been proved that, confronted with a terrible and perplexing situation and obliged to come to an instant decision, General Dyer had erred on the side of over-severity, the fact remains that his action had the effect of breaking the spirit of rebellion in Amritsar and of restoring order, not only throughout the district, but all over India.
    After the news of his crushing the rebellion at its source had gone round — a. matter of a few days — not another shot had to be fired. If lives were lost in the Jallianwallah Bagh, countless lives were saved that must have been sacrificed if the riots had continued. Once again it was seen that at times of crisis resolute action leads to less bloodshed in the long run than excess of leniency.
    A parallel might be found in that classical example of the suppression of mob violence, the so-called “ Massacre of the Champ de Mars ” on July 17, 1791, when Lafayette’s troops, weary of being assailed with brickbats by a crowd that had already murdered two harmless individuals, opened fire, killing a number of their assailants and scattering the rest. This method of showing the mob that — as Gouvemeur Morris observed — ” killing is a game that two can play at ” not only cleared the Champ de Mars of rioters, but sent the revolutionary leaders flying in all directions and stopped the French Revolution for a year.
    The “ massacre ” of the Jallianwallah Bagh had at first the same effect. On April 18 — ^five days later — Gandhi rediscovered his lost loyalty to the British Raj and advised his followers “to give Government effective co-operation in restoring order.” In a letter to the Times of India he expressed regret for having embarked on the mass movement of civil disobedience and said that he had ” underrated the forces of evil.”
    The same day, April 18, Mrs. Besant (anti British agitator and member of the shady Theosophists, my comment not of Mrs Wester) also wrote to the Press, criticising Gandhi for his revolutionary activities. On her way down from Simla she had seen the account of the rioting at Delhi and Amritsar, and now wrote as follows ;
    I say that when a small handful of soldiers and police is face to face with a mob of many thousands, and the mob begins to pelt them with brickbats, it is more merciful to order the soldiers to fire a few volleys of buck shot than to allow the violence to gather strength until, either the town must be given up to mob me or machine-guns and bombs be brought into play. It is a terrible alternative, but any Government, worthy &e name, has to face it.

    Thus firm action at Delhi and Amritsar had won the respect of India’s two leading agitators ; at the same time it rallied loyal Indians to the support of the British Raj. A fortnight after the affair of the Jallianwallah Bagh, the leading men of the district came forward and offered General Dyer 10,000 Sikhs to fight for the Government against the Afghan invasion, of which news had just reached them, and inviting him to command them. General Dyer and his Brigade Major also received the unusual honour of being made Sikh and on several occasions General Dyer was acclaimed by Indian gatherings as the officer who had saved the situation. In October of the same year he was promoted to permanent command of a Brigade and in January 1920 to temporary command of a Division.
    But the effect of all this was counteracted by the action of Mr. Montagu and Lord Chelmsford, who, after the good results of the display of force at Amritsar had become visible, returned to their policy of conciliation ; a number of sentences passed on the rioters were reduced, one of the ringleaders was released unconditionally. Gandhi thereupon resumed his campaign, this time under the name of “ Non Co-operation ” ; meanwhile Mrs. Besant had sailed for England in order avowedly to assist Mr. Montagu in his Reform Scheme, but also to get in touch with the more extreme members of the Labour Party and the trade union leaders, in order to carry on propaganda with regard to British misrule in India.
    The final blow to the cause of law and order was delivered by the Hunter Committee, instituted by the Government to investigate the disturbances that had taken place in the Punjab, which in its Report, issued in March 1920, stated that it found ” no evidence of an organised conspiracy ” and ended by censuring General Dyer for his action in the Jallianwallah Bagh. General Dyer, who was given no trial and no opportunity to defend his conduct before a military tribunal, was thereupon deprived of his command and ordered to retire to England. The officials who had supported him met with the same condemnation. Sir Michael O’Dwyer, who was Governor of the Punjab at the time of the Amritsar riots, in a letter to the Morning Post of November 7, 1921, spoke of “ the extreme severity [of the Government] to its own officers and misguided leniency to the Punjab rebels,” with the result that the Indian Extremists have ever since ” been clamouring for the disgrace and dismissal of these unfortunate officers whose only fault was that in novel and critical conditions they had done their duty according to their lights. . . . The Government had bowed to that clamour. These officers know they are marked men and that their careers in India are blocked or ruined. Some have already left the Service in disgust.”
    Fortunately, in 1924 the full facts of the so-called ” massacre ” were brought to light in a British High Court of Justice. The main issue in the libel suit brought by Sir Michael O’Dwyer against Sir Sankaran Nair (a member of the Government of India at the same date) was whether General Dyer’s action at Amritsar, of which Sir Michael O’Dwyer approved when informed of it, was an ” atrocity ” as alleged by the defendant. After a hearing of five weeks, in which over 100 witnesses, British and Indian, were examined on oath, the judge, Sir A. McCardie, gave his considered opinion,which the jury accepted by a majority of ii-i, that “ General Dyer had in the exceptional circumstances acted rightly and had been wrongly condemned by the Secretary of State [Mr. Montagu).”
    British justice prevailed and Sir Michael O’Dwyer won his case. So much for the “massacre.”
    The conduct of the Government with regard to the affair had far-reaching effects. Members of the Indian Civil Service refused to send their sons into it and felt it their duty to warn young men against going to India. As Lord Sydeiiham and Lord Ampthill pointed out in the House of Lords on October 25, 1921, “ one main cause of our growing difficulties in India is that our officials there can no longer count on the loyal support of the Government which they serve.” In consequence, the class of men who took up service in India deteriorated from that date, and part of the trouble taking place today in that country must be attributed to this fact. The Indian is very quick to recognise what he knows as a ” Sahib ” ; unfortunately some of the officials now in India no longer answer to that description, and consequently fail to inspire respect.
    Another effect of the Dyer affair was to discourage loyal Indians who, after supporting the British Raj, were left to the mercy of the Extremists. As’ an Indian observed to an acquaintance of the present writer at the time : “ We have nothing to lose by being England’s enemies and nothing to gain by being her friends.”
    By means of this policy the patient work of 150 years was undone in the space of two. As Sir Michael O’Dwyer wrote in the Daily Telegraph in September 1921 : ” Our military and political position in India and the frontier was never so strong as in the summer of 1919. They have never since the Mutiny been so weak as to-day.” For this, accredited representatives of the British Raj were directly to blame.
    From the time of General Dyer’s disgrace onwards, a series of disturbances took place all over India — ^the renewed campaign of Gandhi — this time under the slogan of “ Swaraj ” (Home Rule) — ^the boycotting of the Duke of Connaught’s visit to India in February 1921, the hartals or strikes arranged by Gandhi and other insults levelled at the Prince of Wales on his arrival in December of the same year, the Moplah rising in the South-West — organised, as we have seen, by German agents — ^with the loss of at least 5,000 lives, and meanwhile the increasing audacity of the Bolsheviks which Sir Robert Home’s note to Krassin had done nothing to mitigate. Lord Reading, who replaced Lord Chelmsford as Viceroy in April, pursued the same policy of conciliation and accorded several interviews to Gandhi, who afterwards declared that the Viceroy had shown himself by no means hostile to the Non- Co-operation movement. In June Gandhi, encouraged by this reception, issued a Manifesto in which he said : ” The Ali Brothers, like me, continue wilfully to break the law of sedition and therefore to court arrest.” No action was taken, and Gandhi, who had now identified himself with the Khilafat movement, went forth on a tour with Mahommed Ali and published a further Manifesto, proclaiming that “ Civil Disobedience is the sovereign remedy for all ills.” This was the man whom Mr. Montagu had called his ” friend ” ! ”

    Prof Revilo Oliver writes in his article ‘Enemies of Europe’.
    “The work of dismembering the British Empire was carried on by a Jew residing in England, Rufus Isaacs, who was rewarded for his involvement in the malodorous Marconi scandal (18) by being successively created Baron, Viscount Earl, and finally Marquess of Reading, Lord Chief Justice (!) of England, and Viceroy of India, where he made a feint of maintaining British rule while sapping its foundations. (19) His fellow tribesmen ran interference for him in England by a standard ploy, using their increasing control of the English press to publicize shrill protests that he was “brutally” failing to truckle sufficiently to the “aspirations” of babbling babes, whose minds had been stuffed with “democratic” verbiage in British schools. And so, in 1947, the British ignominiously retreated from their largest colonial possession, and the Hindus and Moslems promptly began to massacre each other on a scale that brought joy to the hearts of the apostles of “self-determination.” And the “Republic of India” and Pakistan were created as enemies of our race and civilization.

    (19. See the inadvertent admissions in the laudatory biography by H. Montgomery Hyde, Lord Reading (London, 1967), Chapter 8. For example, he censured and forced the resignation of General Dyer for having restored order in Amritsar after a mob killed five Englishmen, beat an Englishwoman almost to death, looted banks, and otherwise exhibited their idealistic aspiration. The fact that General Dyer had been publicly thanked by the decent Sikhs, who bestowed on him the highest honor in their power, merely proved the need for the “radical revolution” that would teach them “nationhood” and perpetual violence. Another trick was a loud campaign to end “racial discrimination,” an infallible means of stirring up trouble and inciting other races to hate ours.) “

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    NOW here we have the discussion which took place on this issue in the British parliament from British parliament hansard records about the Amritsar massacre.
    https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1920/jul/08/army-council-and-general-dyer
    Surprise Surprise who do we find here? Mr. Montague!!! One of the destroyer of the benevolent British Empire in India.One of the powerful men who destroyed the career of Colonel Dyer.

    But lets see what Sir Carson said on the floor of the British Parliament

    Sir E. CARSON
    —without a blemish upon his record (he is talking about Colonel Dyer, my statement in brackets). Whatever you may say—and, mind you, this will have a great effect on the conduct of officers in the future as to whether or not they will bear the terrible responsibility for which they have not asked, but which you have put upon them—we may at least try to be fair, and to recognise the real position in which this officer is placed. As far as I am concerned, I would like to say this at the outset of the very few remarks I shall make, that I do not believe for a moment it is possible in this House, nor would it be right, to try this officer. To try this officer who puts forward his defence—I saw it for the first time an hour ago—would be a matter which would take many days in this House. Therefore you cannot do it. But we have a right to ask: Has he ever had a fair trial? We have the right to put this further question before you break him, and send him into disgrace: Is he going to have a fair trial?
    You talk of the great principles of liberty which you have laid down. General Dyer has a right to be brought within those principles of liberty. He has no right to be broken on the ipse dixitof any Commission or Committee, however great, unless he has been fairly tried—and he has not been tried. Do look upon the position in which you have put an officer of this kind. You send him to India, to a district seething with rebellion and anarchy. You send him there without any assistance whatever from the civil government, because the Commission have found that the condition of affairs was such in this district that the civil government was in abeyance, and even the magistrate, as representing the civil power, who might have been there to direct this officer, had gone away on another duty. I cannot put the matter better than it was put before the Legislative Council of India, on 19th September last, by the Adjutant-General of India: My Lord, my object in recounting to this Council in some detail the measures taken by the military authorities to reconstitute civil order out of chaos produced by a state of rebellion, is to show there is another side to the picture which is perhaps more apparent to the soldier than to the civilian critic. Now mark this— No more distasteful or responsible duty falls to the lot of the soldier than that which he is sometimes required to discharge in aid of the civil power. If his measures are too mild he fails in his duty. If they are deemed to be excessive he is liable to be attacked as a cold-blooded murderer. His position is one demanding the highest degree of sympathy from all reasonable and right-minded citizens. He is frequently called upon to act on the spur of the moment in grave situations in which he intervenes because all the other resources of civilisation have failed. His actions are liable to be judged by ex post facto standards, and by persons who are in complete ignorance of the realities which he had to face. His good faith is liable to be impugned by the very persons connected with the organisation of the disorders which his action has foiled. There are those who will admit that a measure of force may have been necessary, but who cannot agree with the extent of the force employed. How can they be in a better position to judge of that than the officer on the spot? It must be remembered that when a rebellion has been started against the Government, it is tantamount to a declaration of war. War cannot be conducted in accordance with standards of humanity to which we are accustomed in peace. Should not officers and men, who through no choice of their own, are called upon to discharge these distasteful duties, be in all fairness accorded that support which has been promised to them? That is the statement of the position of this officer. He went to this place on the 10th April, as I understand it. He found the place all round and all the great towns in the immediate neighbourhood in a state of rebellion. On the 11th and the 12th murders of officials and bank managers were rife. The civil power had to abandon their entire functions, and what did you ask this officer to do? To make up his mind as best he could how to deal with the situation, and now you break him because you say he made up his mind wrongly. Yes, Sir, the armchair politician in Downing Street—

    He further says
    “The hon. Member opposite may be sure he is so beneath contempt that—[Interruption]—I wonder how many Members of this House and of His Majesty's Government are really following out the conspiracy to drive the British out of India and out of Egypt? It is all one conspiracy, it is all engineered in the same way, it all has the same object—to destroy our sea power and drive us out of Asia. I hold in my hand a document which was sent to me by someone in America a few days ago. It goes through the whole of this case in its own peculiar way—this case of the disturbance of the 13th April, in which you are going to punish General Dyer because you were not satisfied that there was a conspiracy to overthrow British power, for that is the finding of the Commission, although I notice that even on that question on which General Dyer had to make up his mind, they are themselves a little uneasy, because they say: Apart from the existence of any deeply-laid scheme to overthrow the British, a movement which had started in rioting and become a rebellion might have rapidly developed into a revolution. Because General Dyer thought he ought to prevent it developing into revolution you have now broken him. I have read the article, and I ask my right hon. Friend to look at the document entitled "Invincible England," and see what it says:There is no idea of putting England out of India, but Asia is waking up. Its participation in the Great War, the grossly immoral tactics used by the great European Powers, and the conquest of Asian territory, the realisation that the revolutionary elements of India, Ireland, Egypt, and other nations have shaken the supposed invulnerability of England, is already morally loosening the hold of Europe on Asia. England still retains her territory. She has also, grabbed Turkey, but her expulsion from Asia looms largely on the horizon. Russia has relinquished her sphere of influence in Persia, and has assured India that the present Russia is not like the ambitious nation of the past, and has no expansionist ideas. She has abandoned all the privileges improperly acquired from China by the late Government. And then it goes on: Uncertainty, as concerns India, is in the air. Its influence on the situation is unmistakable. “
    His speech has been cut here but you can read the whole thing from the linked website

    Lieut.-General Sir AYLMER HUNTERWESTON said

    “Speaking as one who has had the privilege of serving for some years with native troops in India, and who, during those years, had the opportunity of getting into close friendship with men of many different races, castes and religions, I venture to appeal to the House to speak on the subject of the regrettable occurrences in India with moderation, with a full feeling of responsibility, and with a knowledge of the great harm that may be done by an intemperate speech either on one side or the other.”
    …snip…
    “Others will speak of the Hunter Commission as a whole. I confine myself only to the case of General Dyer. Colonel (temporary Brigadier-General) Reginald Dyer, of the Indian Army, has spent most of his life in India, and has done good service both on the Staff and in command of troops in war. He did especially good service in command of the Brigade which, in May, 1919, dispersed the Afghans who were besieging Thall, at the foot of the Kuram Valley, on the Afghan frontier. General Dyer, by his actions in 1918 and 1919 at Jullundur and Phillour, and again after the Jallianwala Bagh incident, in his action in conjunction with the Sikh authorities, has proved that he is not a man who desires to use force for the sake of force. He is an officer who has been successful on more than one occasion in dealing with threatening situations without the use of force.
    In considering this case there are two important points that should be kept constantly in mind by all speaking on this subject. The first point is that the Report and Proceedings of Lord Hunter's "Disorders Enquiries Committee," is not evidence that could be accepted against any man in either a Civil or Military Court. Dyer is a soldier, a man of action, unused to subtleties of speech. He had no lawyer to assist him, while he had against him clever Indian lawyers, than whose brains none are more acute or subtle. What a man is reported to say under such conditions conveys a very misleading impression of his real opinions. As the Report of the Hunter Committee could not be used either for or against him in a court of law, it should not be used as a basis of any attack or defence of him, either here in Parliament or outside.
    The second point is that we ought to know what the law is as regards the action of the military when called upon to act in aid of the civil power. That law is in principle the same in India as in England, but in India it is codified and clearly laid down in the Indian Civil Code of Criminal Procedure. The Indian Army Regulations, in laying down the course to be adopted in dispersing unlawful assemblies, merely quotes the relevant Sections of the Indian Civil Code of Criminal Procedure, and orders soldiers to be guided by it, thus affirming the great principle of British law that all citizens, whether soldiers or civilians, are equally bound to use all means in their power to uphold law and order. Owing to our having here in Great Britain powerful and well-organised police forces, we have most of us forgotten, if indeed we ever knew, that it is the duty of each of us to assist in maintaining law and order, and that a magistrate, or policeman, or other officer of the peace, can call upon any of us to assist in the repression of disorder or crime, and that it is a misdemeanour if we do not do all in our power to help. The fact that a man wears uniform in no way alters his duty in this respect in the eyes of the law. His individual responsibility as a citizen persists, although as a soldier he is collectively employed. In fact, the action of the military in aid of the civil power is essentially individual responsibility collectively employed.”
    ….snip….
    “Turning now to those whose generous feelings of sympathy with the relatives of those who lost their lives at the Jullianwala Bagh prompt them to condemn General Dyer utterly, and to call upon the Government to punish him still further, I would again urge moderation in the expression of opinions in this House, remembering the great harm that our words may do, both in embittering feeling in India, and in adding still further to the difficulties of those who in the future have to carry out the first duty of a citizen, which is to uphold law and order. The strong men, the men of character, of whom we have so many in this great nation, will not be deterred from doing their duty whatever may be the cost of their actions to themselves. Throughout the last few years men have been risking life and reputation in their resolve to do their bit for their country, and both now and in the future the best of our race will willingly sacrifice all, including, if necessary, their honour, to carry out what they consider to be their duty. But all men are not cast in this mould, and a hasty word to-day may well lay on the back of one of the weaker brethren a burden heavier than he can bear, with consequent disaster, not only to himself, but to the State and many law-abiding citizens.
    Before we, in this peaceful and beautiful homeland of ours—and surely anyone who has survived the perils of these years of war must realise, as never before, the wonderful beauty and peace of our land, and the spirit of hope, constancy, and determination that it breathes into us now, as it has into our ancestors in the past—I say, before we in the peace of Great Britain and in the security of this House venture to express an opinion on actions taken in a clime, in a place, and in circumstances so very different from our own, we should try to picture to ourselves the situation on that hot April day in the dusty sun-baked streets of the City of Amritsar. We here have practically forgotten the horrors of the mutiny in India in 1857, and so had most folk in India, but, alas, the recent occurrences have brought them back all too forcibly to the minds and recollections of the small band of British men and women scattered over that great land. Every civil and military authority could not but remember that it was the natural reluctance to take the immediate and drastic action necessary to check the Mutiny in its inception, that led to the terrible sufferings and the heroic deaths of British women and children, of British civilians, and of soldiers, both British and Indian, who fell, not in hundreds, but in hundreds of thousands, during those terrible months.
    General Dyer had to deal at Amritsar with no mere ordinary case of temporary assistance to the Civil Power in face of a local riot, but with a situation which had been in existence for some time, and which before General Dyer's arrival had led to the murder of Europeans, to an assault on an Englishwoman, to loss of life among natives, and to much damage to property.
    It was a situation which, in the opinion of the Civil Authority, had become so dangerous as to be beyond the competence of the Civil Power. Let me read to you the terms, of the written order given by the Civil Authority to General Dyer on his arrival on the night of the 11th April, 1919: The troops have orders to restore order in Amritsar and to use all force necessary. No gatherings of persons nor processions of any sort will be allowed. All gatherings will be fired on. This same notice is endorsed by the Civil Authorities as having been given out to several of the citizens on the 11th April, two days before the incident at Jullianwala Bagh.
    In order to understand a man's action in any past occurrence, it is essential to realise the situation as it presented itself to that man at that time. Let us therefore try to visualise General Dyer's position as he approached the Jullianwala Bagh on the 13th April. At 4 o'clock on that hot afternoon, General Dyer receives notice from the Superintendent of Police that a crowd is assembling in the Jullianwala Bagh, a little park in Amritsar City, an assembly which, in such an atmosphere, cannot but be a great potential danger to law-abiding citizens, both British and Native. With the mere handful of men at his disposal, he marches to the scene to disperse, as is his duty, this grave menace to law and order. To get there, he has to march far, and to pass through the curious narrow streets, that all who have been to Amritsar, as I have, will well remember. Long before he arrives, his approach is heralded. News travels fast in such circumstances.
    On arriving at the entrance to the park, he finds himself in face of a huge assembly of many thousand people. They appear to him to be in a dangerous mood, and he knows that it is possible that they are armed with lathis—long bamboo clubs, often ringed with iron, dangerous weapons in hand to hand fighting. The nearest men are within a few yards of him, and a determined rush may easily overwhelm his little force of fifty native soldiers1750armed with rifles, and forty armed only with kukris, the Gurkha knives. He and his men are isolated in a big city; narrow streets are behind them; both flanks and rear are open to attack; no reinforcements are within reach; and if this little band of guardians of law and order are overwhelmed, there is nothing to hold in check the instigators of crime and insurrection; there is nothing to prevent a continuation of the murder, looting and arson, that had occurred three days before. Indeed, it might well be that any hesitation on his part, any failure to use, and to use at once, the necessary force, might be the spark which would set alight the conflagration of another mutiny.
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  152. @DB Cooper
    “This is a nation that savagely grinds several completely separate ethnic minorities underfoot. Supposedly, a million Uighers are now in some form of confinement. Add Tibet and a good chunk of the Mongol people. I assume there are other groups I’m simply unaware of. China is a state of the Han people, for the Han people, and by the Han people. It is an ethnocracy on a colossal scale.”

    There are some videos apparently made by Uighers themselves showing their plight in China leaked to the outside world. Here is one such video. Warning: the content may be insensitive and will be offensive to some viewers. Watch it at your own discretion.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-2B4M5n_WU&t=418s

    I guess ISIS in Syria also has complaints about its treatment. I am sure the cannibal who ate Syrian soldier’s heart on camera (https://www.cnn.com/2013/05/14/world/meast/syria-eaten-heart/index.html) or those who beheaded a boy in Syria on camera (https://www.timesofisrael.com/video-shows-palestinian-boy-beheaded-by-us-backed-syrian-rebels/) also have grievances. Care to air them?

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  153. peterAUS says:
    @Colin Wright
    Looking over the responses, one can only speculate as to the source of the massive number of defenders of China -- usually completely uncritical defenders of China.

    It's incongruous. I'm not a Chinaphobe -- but let's face facts.

    This is a nation that less than thirty years ago used everything up to tanks to crush internal protests -- killing over ten thousand, according to their own internal documents. Compare and contrast to the record of any Western democracy. Compare and contrast to the record of apartheid South Africa, for that matter. Behavior like this hasn't been seen in any other civilized state for over a hundred years.

    This is a nation with perhaps the greatest wealth gap between the ruled and their rulers anywhere outside of the Arabian peninsula; look up the number of billionaires in the Congress of Peoples' Deputies. China is not a shining beacon of democracy; it is the most perfect plutocracy ever realized.

    This is a nation that savagely grinds several completely separate ethnic minorities underfoot. Supposedly, a million Uighers are now in some form of confinement. Add Tibet and a good chunk of the Mongol people. I assume there are other groups I'm simply unaware of. China is a state of the Han people, for the Han people, and by the Han people. It is an ethnocracy on a colossal scale.

    So why all the China-love? Yes, China has enormous potential. Yes, it may well be the way of the future. Is it admirable in all respects?

    No.

    ..one can only speculate as to the source of the massive number of defenders of China…
    It’s incongruous.
    So why all the China-love?

    Simple.
    People converging on this site are, mostly, against The Empire (for any reason imaginable). China is seen by plenty of them as an opponent of that empire. “Enemy of my enemy” thing. In this case totally misplaced, IMHO, for a couple of reasons.

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  154. FKA Max says: • Website
    @FKA Max
    During the 2008-2009 financial crisis Europe was actually temporarily richer than the U.S. because continental Europeans invest less heavily in the stock market than Americans/Anglos do:

    One reason is the region's heavy investment in shares: North America still has the highest proportion of wealth held in equities, according to Boston Consulting... - https://www.forbes.com/2009/09/15/europe-richest-region-markets-economy-assets.html

    National wealth can fluctuate, as evidenced in the United States data following the 2008 financial crisis and subsequent economic recovery. During periods when equity markets experienced strong growth, the relative national and per capita wealth of the countries where people are more exposed on those markets, such as the United States and United Kingdom, tend to rise. On the other hand, when equity markets are depressed, the relative wealth the countries where people invest more in real estate or bonds, such as France and Italy, tend to rise instead. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_wealth

    This is also a good article on this topic:

    Is Europe outperforming the US?


    From 2006 to 2013 Germany and the U.S. both recorded an average GDP per capita growth rate of 1.1%. Germany’s ability to convert growth into economic wellbeing was equivalent to an economy growing at an average rate of 6.2%, while the U.S. managed a measly average rate of just 0.5%. Improvements in health services, affordable education and good public transportation have immediate benefits for citizens’ lives.

    Figure 2 shows the transformative power of these gains, and offers another insight into how the euro area is actually outperforming the U.S. We could go yet another level deeper and unearth how wealth creation has benefitted different slices of the population. Take the bottom 90% of earners in a country.

    If we look at growth in real average income for this group over the period 1950-2013, its real wage income grew some 70% in the U.S., dwarfed by gains of 150% in Italy and the United Kingdom and of a whopping 250% in France and Germany. This means that belonging to the “bottom 90%” in Europe is much better than in the U.S.
     
    - https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2015/10/is-europe-outperforming-the-us/ Archived link: http://archive.is/mhArv

    Europeans are also extremely productive per hours worked. South Koreans, for example, work 800 hours more per year than Germans https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Working_time#Average_annual_hours_actually_worked_per_worker :

    The World’s Most Productive People

    https://i1.wp.com/conorneill.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/countryproductivity_3-0624.png

    Source: https://conorneill.com/2018/01/24/the-worlds-most-productive-people/

    The Chinese work about as much as the South Koreans:

    How hard does China work?

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/06/how-hard-does-china-work

    The average Chinese worker works between 2,000-2,200 hours every year in China, Wang Qi, a researcher of the Beijing Normal University, told China Real Time. Such an estimate was based on data from China’s National Bureau of Statistics, industry groups and online questionnaires.
    [...]
    “It may have been one of the secrets that help created the ‘China miracle’ but it has created a lot of problems,” Mr. Lai said, citing the frequency of workplace accidents, which tend to happen when workers are tired. “It is not sustainable.”

    Shorter working hours will enhance innovation, he argues, with workers having more time to take up new skills and explore fresh ideas. It will also bolster employment, with employers forced to hire more workers, he said.

    https://blogs.wsj.com/chinarealtime/2014/12/03/chinese-workers-should-work-less-spend-more-report-says-2/

    600,000 Chinese die from overworking each year

    http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2016-12/11/content_27635578.htm Archived link: http://archive.is/udaNM

    Women stand on sofas and hold banners that denounce the impact on families from overtime work during an event in Shanghai, Aug 8, 2016. One of the participant holds a banner that reads, “No dinner is more valuable than that shared together at home” during the “Lonely Sofa” Event.

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    Are you aware that you are ruining stereotypes? Ordinary people in the West are expected by their betters to believe that any protest in China is crushed immediately and decisively, with protesters being either killed or imprisoned for life. And here you are, showing Chinese people that are clearly not scared to protest openly. It is unpatriotic to undermine the lies of Western MSM. Late unlamented senator McCarthy would call what you are doing un-American activity.
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  155. FromAway says:

    Very well written post with one exception. Everyone except a small percentage are aware of what is coming in the future but over time will the startling facts appear.
    The real scientists that have been publishing their studies especially since around 2006 since the data had not been available until around that date. One of the scientist that published her findings is Valentina Zharkova. Most of them have been blocked, unfunded in some cases and the bought off so called climate experts have been endorsed and funded up the ying yang by the Carbon Tax Fraud crowd to push global warming and now climate change.
    It’s going to be a huge shock when reality sets in with the continuing cycle of sun that has repeated for as long as recorded history and millions of years before. I won’t go into detail but the sun goes through a cycle of reduced sun spots and reduction of solar rays effecting the atmosphere and surface of the earth. The last one was the Maunder Minimum from 1645 to 1715. Now we are entering the Grand Solar Minimum from approximately 2015 to 2055. Ice Age. The effects are recorded in history that the real scientists have studied extensively . Ice core samples has been quite revealing. The side effects are considerably evident during these solar minimums . Increased volcanic activity, flooding, extensive crop failers, famine, extreme temperature changes , up and down and of coarse the result of the increase in disease. This is not intended to scare anyone but only my research and words. I am in the fall of my life and learned along time ago that most governments and elite have corruption as a middle name and care nothing about history or civilation.

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  156. @FKA Max

    If the US collapse quickly, the next world hegemony will be EU not China.
     
    I agree.

    I would even go so far as to say that Europe has already overtaken or is ahead of the U.S. in terms of innovation ( "The U.S. Drops Out of the Top 10 in Innovation Ranking" https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-01-22/south-korea-tops-global-innovation-ranking-again-as-u-s-falls ), technological sophistication ( see "robot density" particularly in Germany http://www.unz.com/article/beijings-bid-for-global-power-in-the-age-of-trump/#comment-2476791 ) ,

    Robot density is (still) the highest in Europe

    http://www.hannovermesse.de/en/news/robot-density-is-still-the-highest-in-europe-71552.xhtml

    https://ifr.org/img/uploads/Robot_density_by_country_page_1.jpg

    and in many other fields:

    "Remember the Golden Rule! Whoever has the gold, makes the rules!" - https://economicsociology.org/2015/08/28/remember-the-golden-rule-whoever-has-the-gold-makes-the-rules/

    Graph #1: Official Gold Reserves in Tonnes

    United States vs Europe vs BRICS countries

    https://www.goldbroker.com/media/image/cms/media/images/gold-european-union/gold-reserves-united-states-europe-brics-countries.png

    Source: https://www.goldbroker.com/news/gold-european-union-532 Archived link: http://archive.is/Q7QCE

    You should have tried at least something fresher, like July of 2018?

    http://usfunds.com/investor-library/frank-talk/top-10-countries-with-largest-gold-reserves/#.W38LvNwnaUk

    Plus, of course, there is such a tricky thing called paper gold–and that is where a lot of this gold “statistics” get a bit tangled.

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    Russia is the undisputed world leader in gold reserves as percentage of nominal GDP, but Europe is not too far behind:


    For the United States, that ratio is 1.8%. For China the ratio is estimated at 1.5% (China’s ratio is an estimate because China is non-transparent about the amount of gold in its reserves. The actual ratio is likely in a range of 1% to 3%).
    [...]
    For Russia, the gold-to-GDP ratio is a whopping 5.6%, or three times the U.S. ratio.
    [...]
    The gold-to-GDP ratio for the Eurozone is 3.6%; not as high as Russia, but double the U.S. ratio. On the whole, Russia is the strongest gold power in the world.
     
    - https://www.unz.com/tsaker/the-other-new-revolutionary-russian-weapons-systems-asats/#comment-2421577

    Germans Have Quietly Become The World's Biggest Buyers Of Gold

    and then there're the Indians...

    As I’ve shared with you many times before, Indians have long valued gold not only for its beauty and durability but also as financial security. Indian households have the largest private gold holdings in the world, standing at an estimated 24,000 metric tons. That figure surpasses the combined official gold reserves of the United States, Germany, Italy, France, China and Russia. - https://www.forbes.com/sites/greatspeculations/2017/10/11/germans-have-quietly-become-the-worlds-biggest-buyers-of-gold/

    I'm always surprised how most geopolitical analysts seem to completely disregard Europe and India when it comes to potential future global power players/leader nations/regions. I briefly touched upon the European-Indian and Russian-Indian alliances in the following comment:

    I think both Russia and India together, backed up by the West, will keep China in check.

    As you can see the in the above diagram there is a strong affinity between the Orthodox and Hindu civilizations.

    Interestingly, German steel concern Thyssen-Krupp just announced a joint-venture with the Indian conglomerate Tata Group‘s steel subsidiary Tata Steel, which could be the foreshadowing of things and alliances to come
     
    - https://www.unz.com/tsaker/the-other-new-revolutionary-russian-weapons-systems-asats/#comment-2425816

    Mr. Sailer posted a fantastic blog entry a while back, which I very much agree with, on this topic:

    For example, back in the 20th Century, I went to a conference where the most impressive speaker may have been the late General William Odom, who had been Zbig’s head of military intelligence in the Carter Admin, then head of Reagan’s National Security Admin. He gave his theory of the Grand Strategic Interests of the United States: there are only two places in the world that Really Matter in the sense that the world could be ruled from there (instead of, presumably, from North America): northwest Europe (Britain, France, and Germany) and northeast Asia (Japan, Korea, and China). He said that war within either cockpit would be of the gravest concern to the United States, just as it had been in the 1940s.
     
    - https://www.unz.com/isteve/daily-mail-infiltrates-secret-bilderberg-confab-finds/#p_1_4:1-123
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  157. Malla says:
    @Malla
    So we have seen that there were German and Soviet designs to destroy British Empire. The German designs out of revenge for loss of colonies during WW1 and Soviets because they wanted world revolution for their NWO.
    Also we have seen about the Gaddar Party, a seditious organization mostly made up of Punjabis. This is important, PUNJAB. Amritsar is in PUNJAB.
    Now before we go forward, we have one important person to know about, a scum so to speak. And he is Edwin Montagu, the Jewish Secretary of State of India during this period. During the reign of Montague we see the Montague-Clemsford reforms, where Edwin Montague openly writes that 95% of Indians are happy with British rule but the British givernment will itself create Indian Nationalism!!! It is during his tenure that we see a huge rise in anti British mass movements (before that is was not much of a India wide mass movement but rare sporadic acts of terrorism and riots, mostly local) which led to eventual Indian (and Pakistani) independence in 1947. Now the poster ‘Wizard of Oz’ claims that Montague playing a part in destroying the British Empire is nothing to do with the fact that he Jewish but that he had socialist leanings, common for his class at that times. Though I do not completely agree with this, I am just including this so that those reading this can make come to their own conclusions.
    Anyways this Montague is going to play a big part in destroying the career of Colonel Reginald Dyer, the officer who gave the order to fire.

    Some days before the massacre, gadar party members were all around radicalizing the population of Punjab, working on orders of their German and Soviet masters. On the day of the ‘massacre’ several banks and other government buildings, including the Town Hall and the railway station, were attacked, looted and set on fire. The violence continued to escalate, the crowd turned racist which culminating in the deaths of at least five Europeans, including government employees and innocent civilians. There was retaliatory shooting at crowds from the military several times during the day, and between eight and twenty people were killed.
    On 11 April, Miss Marcella Sherwood, an English missionary, fearing for the safety of her pupils, was on her way to shut the schools and send the roughly 600 Indian children home. While cycling through a narrow street called the Kucha Kurrichhan, she was caught by a mob, pulled to the ground by her hair, stripped naked, beaten, kicked, and left for dead. She was not involved with the British government in any way, she was attacked only on account of her race. Indeed in one occasion when she ran to an Indian house for safety, the people brutally shut the door on her face and left her to the mercy of the mob outside. She was eventually rescued by some local Indians, including the father of one of her pupils, who hid her from the mob and then smuggled her to safety.

    But what really happened at Amritsar at that time. Let Mrs. Webster explain from her book.

    "On February 28, 1921, the Soviet-Afghan Treaty was signed in Moscow, and a yearly subsidy in caA was lienceforth paid to Amanullah (Afghan terrorist) by Moscow up to 1926, when it was continued in the form of armaments, although a pact between Great Britain and Afghanistan had been negotiated in November 1921. Amanllah, who described Gandhi as his “ very, very great friend,” was a valuable ally for the Bolsheviks during the troubles in India in 1919. Never, indeed, since the Mutiny bad the country been in such a state of ferment. In the spring of 1919, simultaneously with the disorders in Egypt and following the same lines, a rising took place all over Northern and Western India, which culminated in the famous affair of the JaUianwallah Bagh on April 13.

    From the 10th to the 13th of April Amritsar had been in a state of anarchy. On the loth the mob had risen, burned banks and Government buildings, and after the first few minutes had murdered all Europeans on whom they could lay their hands with the exception of Miss Sherwood, a lady doctor greatly respected for her years of work in the city, whom they brutally assaulted and left for dead in the street.^ Mr. Montagu himself, in his official dispatch, stated : " In Amritsar itself, violence, murder and arson of the most savage description had occurred three days previously, and the city was still practically in possession of the mob.” Such was the state of affairs when Brigadier-General Dyer, in command of the Jullundur Brigade, arrived to take control of the situation on the evening of April 11. In the words of the Adjutant- General to the Legislative Council : .
    On the 9th and 12th, he [Brigadier-General Dyer] reorganised his troops and on the 12th he marched a column round and through the city in order that a display of force might have its effect on the minds of the populace. We have it on record that many spat on the ground as the troops passed. From the shouts of the mob it was dear that they were in an entirely unrepentant spirit. No military force was used on this occasion as the officer in command issued proclamations as to his future intentions before employing such force. From a military point of view he would have been quite justified, I hold, in using force on that day, but the General Officer Commanding decided to pursue his policy of patience and conciliation. A proclamation was issued on the evening of the 12th, and on the morning of the 13th April, the Officer Commanding marched with a body of troops through all the main streets of the city and announced by beat of drum his intentions of using force should occasion arise. The people were permitted to collect in order to hear the proclamations.

    In defiance of this, a huge mob of 15,000 to 20,000 people, armed with lathis — a formidable weapons made of solid bamboo shod with iron — collected in a piece of waste ground^ known as the Jallianwallah Bagh, which was frequently used for meetings, in the aftenoon of April 13. The meeting on this occasion was organised by Dr. Muhammad Bashir, who had throughout been conspicuous for his inflammatory language and was sentenced to death as a member of a criminal conspiracy. It was addressed by two other members of the same conspiracy and by an agitator who had been sentenced to transportation for life under the Defence of India Act. To say, as was afterwards alleged, that the meeting was a fortuitous one was therefore untrue. General Dyer, who had received notice that this assembly was to take place, contrary to the terms of the proclamation issued by him that morning, accordingly proceeded to the Jallianwallah Bagh at the head of a force consisting only of 50 Sepoys armed with rifles and 40 Gurkhas armed with kukris (Nepali knives). As they entered the Bagh (Park) an agitator was in the midst of haranguing the crowd. The speech was one in praise of murder and the speaker had been a member of the sanguinary mob on the loth. General Dyer thereupon opened fire and the crowd immediately began to disperse, but two groups appeared to be collecting as if to rush the troops, who then directed their fire on these points, with the result that the whole space was speedily cleared.
    This was the action for which General Dyer was censured a year later, mainly on two charges — for firing without warning and for continuing to fire longer than was said to have been necessary. But three warnings had been given that unlawful assemblies would be fired on, and General Dyer contended that he only continued to fire until the crowd dispersed. Yet even supposing it could have been proved that, confronted with a terrible and perplexing situation and obliged to come to an instant decision, General Dyer had erred on the side of over-severity, the fact remains that his action had the effect of breaking the spirit of rebellion in Amritsar and of restoring order, not only throughout the district, but all over India.
    After the news of his crushing the rebellion at its source had gone round — a. matter of a few days — not another shot had to be fired. If lives were lost in the Jallianwallah Bagh, countless lives were saved that must have been sacrificed if the riots had continued. Once again it was seen that at times of crisis resolute action leads to less bloodshed in the long run than excess of leniency.
    A parallel might be found in that classical example of the suppression of mob violence, the so-called “ Massacre of the Champ de Mars ” on July 17, 1791, when Lafayette’s troops, weary of being assailed with brickbats by a crowd that had already murdered two harmless individuals, opened fire, killing a number of their assailants and scattering the rest. This method of showing the mob that — as Gouvemeur Morris observed — " killing is a game that two can play at ” not only cleared the Champ de Mars of rioters, but sent the revolutionary leaders flying in all directions and stopped the French Revolution for a year.
    The “ massacre ” of the Jallianwallah Bagh had at first the same effect. On April 18 — ^five days later — Gandhi rediscovered his lost loyalty to the British Raj and advised his followers "to give Government effective co-operation in restoring order.” In a letter to the Times of India he expressed regret for having embarked on the mass movement of civil disobedience and said that he had " underrated the forces of evil.”
    The same day, April 18, Mrs. Besant (anti British agitator and member of the shady Theosophists, my comment not of Mrs Wester) also wrote to the Press, criticising Gandhi for his revolutionary activities. On her way down from Simla she had seen the account of the rioting at Delhi and Amritsar, and now wrote as follows ;
    I say that when a small handful of soldiers and police is face to face with a mob of many thousands, and the mob begins to pelt them with brickbats, it is more merciful to order the soldiers to fire a few volleys of buck shot than to allow the violence to gather strength until, either the town must be given up to mob me or machine-guns and bombs be brought into play. It is a terrible alternative, but any Government, worthy &e name, has to face it.

    Thus firm action at Delhi and Amritsar had won the respect of India’s two leading agitators ; at the same time it rallied loyal Indians to the support of the British Raj. A fortnight after the affair of the Jallianwallah Bagh, the leading men of the district came forward and offered General Dyer 10,000 Sikhs to fight for the Government against the Afghan invasion, of which news had just reached them, and inviting him to command them. General Dyer and his Brigade Major also received the unusual honour of being made Sikh and on several occasions General Dyer was acclaimed by Indian gatherings as the officer who had saved the situation. In October of the same year he was promoted to permanent command of a Brigade and in January 1920 to temporary command of a Division.
    But the effect of all this was counteracted by the action of Mr. Montagu and Lord Chelmsford, who, after the good results of the display of force at Amritsar had become visible, returned to their policy of conciliation ; a number of sentences passed on the rioters were reduced, one of the ringleaders was released unconditionally. Gandhi thereupon resumed his campaign, this time under the name of “ Non Co-operation '' ; meanwhile Mrs. Besant had sailed for England in order avowedly to assist Mr. Montagu in his Reform Scheme, but also to get in touch with the more extreme members of the Labour Party and the trade union leaders, in order to carry on propaganda with regard to British misrule in India.
    The final blow to the cause of law and order was delivered by the Hunter Committee, instituted by the Government to investigate the disturbances that had taken place in the Punjab, which in its Report, issued in March 1920, stated that it found " no evidence of an organised conspiracy " and ended by censuring General Dyer for his action in the Jallianwallah Bagh. General Dyer, who was given no trial and no opportunity to defend his conduct before a military tribunal, was thereupon deprived of his command and ordered to retire to England. The officials who had supported him met with the same condemnation. Sir Michael O'Dwyer, who was Governor of the Punjab at the time of the Amritsar riots, in a letter to the Morning Post of November 7, 1921, spoke of “ the extreme severity [of the Government] to its own officers and misguided leniency to the Punjab rebels,” with the result that the Indian Extremists have ever since ” been clamouring for the disgrace and dismissal of these unfortunate officers whose only fault was that in novel and critical conditions they had done their duty according to their lights. . . . The Government had bowed to that clamour. These officers know they are marked men and that their careers in India are blocked or ruined. Some have already left the Service in disgust.”
    Fortunately, in 1924 the full facts of the so-called " massacre ” were brought to light in a British High Court of Justice. The main issue in the libel suit brought by Sir Michael O'Dwyer against Sir Sankaran Nair (a member of the Government of India at the same date) was whether General Dyer’s action at Amritsar, of which Sir Michael O’Dwyer approved when informed of it, was an " atrocity ” as alleged by the defendant. After a hearing of five weeks, in which over 100 witnesses, British and Indian, were examined on oath, the judge, Sir A. McCardie, gave his considered opinion,which the jury accepted by a majority of ii-i, that “ General Dyer had in the exceptional circumstances acted rightly and had been wrongly condemned by the Secretary of State [Mr. Montagu).”
    British justice prevailed and Sir Michael O’Dwyer won his case. So much for the “massacre."
    The conduct of the Government with regard to the affair had far-reaching effects. Members of the Indian Civil Service refused to send their sons into it and felt it their duty to warn young men against going to India. As Lord Sydeiiham and Lord Ampthill pointed out in the House of Lords on October 25, 1921, “ one main cause of our growing difficulties in India is that our officials there can no longer count on the loyal support of the Government which they serve.” In consequence, the class of men who took up service in India deteriorated from that date, and part of the trouble taking place today in that country must be attributed to this fact. The Indian is very quick to recognise what he knows as a " Sahib ” ; unfortunately some of the officials now in India no longer answer to that description, and consequently fail to inspire respect.
    Another effect of the Dyer affair was to discourage loyal Indians who, after supporting the British Raj, were left to the mercy of the Extremists. As' an Indian observed to an acquaintance of the present writer at the time : “ We have nothing to lose by being England’s enemies and nothing to gain by being her friends.”
    By means of this policy the patient work of 150 years was undone in the space of two. As Sir Michael O’Dwyer wrote in the Daily Telegraph in September 1921 : " Our military and political position in India and the frontier was never so strong as in the summer of 1919. They have never since the Mutiny been so weak as to-day.” For this, accredited representatives of the British Raj were directly to blame.
    From the time of General Dyer’s disgrace onwards, a series of disturbances took place all over India — ^the renewed campaign of Gandhi — this time under the slogan of “ Swaraj ” (Home Rule) — ^the boycotting of the Duke of Connaught’s visit to India in February 1921, the hartals or strikes arranged by Gandhi and other insults levelled at the Prince of Wales on his arrival in December of the same year, the Moplah rising in the South-West — organised, as we have seen, by German agents — ^with the loss of at least 5,000 lives, and meanwhile the increasing audacity of the Bolsheviks which Sir Robert Home’s note to Krassin had done nothing to mitigate. Lord Reading, who replaced Lord Chelmsford as Viceroy in April, pursued the same policy of conciliation and accorded several interviews to Gandhi, who afterwards declared that the Viceroy had shown himself by no means hostile to the Non- Co-operation movement. In June Gandhi, encouraged by this reception, issued a Manifesto in which he said : " The Ali Brothers, like me, continue wilfully to break the law of sedition and therefore to court arrest.” No action was taken, and Gandhi, who had now identified himself with the Khilafat movement, went forth on a tour with Mahommed Ali and published a further Manifesto, proclaiming that “ Civil Disobedience is the sovereign remedy for all ills.” This was the man whom Mr. Montagu had called his ” friend ” ! "

    Prof Revilo Oliver writes in his article ‘Enemies of Europe’.
    "The work of dismembering the British Empire was carried on by a Jew residing in England, Rufus Isaacs, who was rewarded for his involvement in the malodorous Marconi scandal (18) by being successively created Baron, Viscount Earl, and finally Marquess of Reading, Lord Chief Justice (!) of England, and Viceroy of India, where he made a feint of maintaining British rule while sapping its foundations. (19) His fellow tribesmen ran interference for him in England by a standard ploy, using their increasing control of the English press to publicize shrill protests that he was "brutally" failing to truckle sufficiently to the "aspirations" of babbling babes, whose minds had been stuffed with "democratic" verbiage in British schools. And so, in 1947, the British ignominiously retreated from their largest colonial possession, and the Hindus and Moslems promptly began to massacre each other on a scale that brought joy to the hearts of the apostles of "self-determination." And the "Republic of India" and Pakistan were created as enemies of our race and civilization.

    (19. See the inadvertent admissions in the laudatory biography by H. Montgomery Hyde, Lord Reading (London, 1967), Chapter 8. For example, he censured and forced the resignation of General Dyer for having restored order in Amritsar after a mob killed five Englishmen, beat an Englishwoman almost to death, looted banks, and otherwise exhibited their idealistic aspiration. The fact that General Dyer had been publicly thanked by the decent Sikhs, who bestowed on him the highest honor in their power, merely proved the need for the "radical revolution" that would teach them "nationhood" and perpetual violence. Another trick was a loud campaign to end "racial discrimination," an infallible means of stirring up trouble and inciting other races to hate ours.) "

    NOW here we have the discussion which took place on this issue in the British parliament from British parliament hansard records about the Amritsar massacre.

    https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1920/jul/08/army-council-and-general-dyer

    Surprise Surprise who do we find here? Mr. Montague!!! One of the destroyer of the benevolent British Empire in India.One of the powerful men who destroyed the career of Colonel Dyer.

    But lets see what Sir Carson said on the floor of the British Parliament

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    Sir E. CARSON
    —without a blemish upon his record (he is talking about Colonel Dyer, my statement in brackets). Whatever you may say—and, mind you, this will have a great effect on the conduct of officers in the future as to whether or not they will bear the terrible responsibility for which they have not asked, but which you have put upon them—we may at least try to be fair, and to recognise the real position in which this officer is placed. As far as I am concerned, I would like to say this at the outset of the very few remarks I shall make, that I do not believe for a moment it is possible in this House, nor would it be right, to try this officer. To try this officer who puts forward his defence—I saw it for the first time an hour ago—would be a matter which would take many days in this House. Therefore you cannot do it. But we have a right to ask: Has he ever had a fair trial? We have the right to put this further question before you break him, and send him into disgrace: Is he going to have a fair trial?
    You talk of the great principles of liberty which you have laid down. General Dyer has a right to be brought within those principles of liberty. He has no right to be broken on the ipse dixitof any Commission or Committee, however great, unless he has been fairly tried—and he has not been tried. Do look upon the position in which you have put an officer of this kind. You send him to India, to a district seething with rebellion and anarchy. You send him there without any assistance whatever from the civil government, because the Commission have found that the condition of affairs was such in this district that the civil government was in abeyance, and even the magistrate, as representing the civil power, who might have been there to direct this officer, had gone away on another duty. I cannot put the matter better than it was put before the Legislative Council of India, on 19th September last, by the Adjutant-General of India: My Lord, my object in recounting to this Council in some detail the measures taken by the military authorities to reconstitute civil order out of chaos produced by a state of rebellion, is to show there is another side to the picture which is perhaps more apparent to the soldier than to the civilian critic. Now mark this— No more distasteful or responsible duty falls to the lot of the soldier than that which he is sometimes required to discharge in aid of the civil power. If his measures are too mild he fails in his duty. If they are deemed to be excessive he is liable to be attacked as a cold-blooded murderer. His position is one demanding the highest degree of sympathy from all reasonable and right-minded citizens. He is frequently called upon to act on the spur of the moment in grave situations in which he intervenes because all the other resources of civilisation have failed. His actions are liable to be judged by ex post facto standards, and by persons who are in complete ignorance of the realities which he had to face. His good faith is liable to be impugned by the very persons connected with the organisation of the disorders which his action has foiled. There are those who will admit that a measure of force may have been necessary, but who cannot agree with the extent of the force employed. How can they be in a better position to judge of that than the officer on the spot? It must be remembered that when a rebellion has been started against the Government, it is tantamount to a declaration of war. War cannot be conducted in accordance with standards of humanity to which we are accustomed in peace. Should not officers and men, who through no choice of their own, are called upon to discharge these distasteful duties, be in all fairness accorded that support which has been promised to them? That is the statement of the position of this officer. He went to this place on the 10th April, as I understand it. He found the place all round and all the great towns in the immediate neighbourhood in a state of rebellion. On the 11th and the 12th murders of officials and bank managers were rife. The civil power had to abandon their entire functions, and what did you ask this officer to do? To make up his mind as best he could how to deal with the situation, and now you break him because you say he made up his mind wrongly. Yes, Sir, the armchair politician in Downing Street—

    He further says
    “The hon. Member opposite may be sure he is so beneath contempt that—[Interruption]—I wonder how many Members of this House and of His Majesty’s Government are really following out the conspiracy to drive the British out of India and out of Egypt? It is all one conspiracy, it is all engineered in the same way, it all has the same object—to destroy our sea power and drive us out of Asia. I hold in my hand a document which was sent to me by someone in America a few days ago. It goes through the whole of this case in its own peculiar way—this case of the disturbance of the 13th April, in which you are going to punish General Dyer because you were not satisfied that there was a conspiracy to overthrow British power, for that is the finding of the Commission, although I notice that even on that question on which General Dyer had to make up his mind, they are themselves a little uneasy, because they say: Apart from the existence of any deeply-laid scheme to overthrow the British, a movement which had started in rioting and become a rebellion might have rapidly developed into a revolution. Because General Dyer thought he ought to prevent it developing into revolution you have now broken him. I have read the article, and I ask my right hon. Friend to look at the document entitled “Invincible England,” and see what it says:There is no idea of putting England out of India, but Asia is waking up. Its participation in the Great War, the grossly immoral tactics used by the great European Powers, and the conquest of Asian territory, the realisation that the revolutionary elements of India, Ireland, Egypt, and other nations have shaken the supposed invulnerability of England, is already morally loosening the hold of Europe on Asia. England still retains her territory. She has also, grabbed Turkey, but her expulsion from Asia looms largely on the horizon. Russia has relinquished her sphere of influence in Persia, and has assured India that the present Russia is not like the ambitious nation of the past, and has no expansionist ideas. She has abandoned all the privileges improperly acquired from China by the late Government. And then it goes on: Uncertainty, as concerns India, is in the air. Its influence on the situation is unmistakable. “
    His speech has been cut here but you can read the whole thing from the linked website

    Lieut.-General Sir AYLMER HUNTERWESTON said

    “Speaking as one who has had the privilege of serving for some years with native troops in India, and who, during those years, had the opportunity of getting into close friendship with men of many different races, castes and religions, I venture to appeal to the House to speak on the subject of the regrettable occurrences in India with moderation, with a full feeling of responsibility, and with a knowledge of the great harm that may be done by an intemperate speech either on one side or the other.”
    …snip…
    “Others will speak of the Hunter Commission as a whole. I confine myself only to the case of General Dyer. Colonel (temporary Brigadier-General) Reginald Dyer, of the Indian Army, has spent most of his life in India, and has done good service both on the Staff and in command of troops in war. He did especially good service in command of the Brigade which, in May, 1919, dispersed the Afghans who were besieging Thall, at the foot of the Kuram Valley, on the Afghan frontier. General Dyer, by his actions in 1918 and 1919 at Jullundur and Phillour, and again after the Jallianwala Bagh incident, in his action in conjunction with the Sikh authorities, has proved that he is not a man who desires to use force for the sake of force. He is an officer who has been successful on more than one occasion in dealing with threatening situations without the use of force.
    In considering this case there are two important points that should be kept constantly in mind by all speaking on this subject. The first point is that the Report and Proceedings of Lord Hunter’s “Disorders Enquiries Committee,” is not evidence that could be accepted against any man in either a Civil or Military Court. Dyer is a soldier, a man of action, unused to subtleties of speech. He had no lawyer to assist him, while he had against him clever Indian lawyers, than whose brains none are more acute or subtle. What a man is reported to say under such conditions conveys a very misleading impression of his real opinions. As the Report of the Hunter Committee could not be used either for or against him in a court of law, it should not be used as a basis of any attack or defence of him, either here in Parliament or outside.
    The second point is that we ought to know what the law is as regards the action of the military when called upon to act in aid of the civil power. That law is in principle the same in India as in England, but in India it is codified and clearly laid down in the Indian Civil Code of Criminal Procedure. The Indian Army Regulations, in laying down the course to be adopted in dispersing unlawful assemblies, merely quotes the relevant Sections of the Indian Civil Code of Criminal Procedure, and orders soldiers to be guided by it, thus affirming the great principle of British law that all citizens, whether soldiers or civilians, are equally bound to use all means in their power to uphold law and order. Owing to our having here in Great Britain powerful and well-organised police forces, we have most of us forgotten, if indeed we ever knew, that it is the duty of each of us to assist in maintaining law and order, and that a magistrate, or policeman, or other officer of the peace, can call upon any of us to assist in the repression of disorder or crime, and that it is a misdemeanour if we do not do all in our power to help. The fact that a man wears uniform in no way alters his duty in this respect in the eyes of the law. His individual responsibility as a citizen persists, although as a soldier he is collectively employed. In fact, the action of the military in aid of the civil power is essentially individual responsibility collectively employed.”
    ….snip….
    “Turning now to those whose generous feelings of sympathy with the relatives of those who lost their lives at the Jullianwala Bagh prompt them to condemn General Dyer utterly, and to call upon the Government to punish him still further, I would again urge moderation in the expression of opinions in this House, remembering the great harm that our words may do, both in embittering feeling in India, and in adding still further to the difficulties of those who in the future have to carry out the first duty of a citizen, which is to uphold law and order. The strong men, the men of character, of whom we have so many in this great nation, will not be deterred from doing their duty whatever may be the cost of their actions to themselves. Throughout the last few years men have been risking life and reputation in their resolve to do their bit for their country, and both now and in the future the best of our race will willingly sacrifice all, including, if necessary, their honour, to carry out what they consider to be their duty. But all men are not cast in this mould, and a hasty word to-day may well lay on the back of one of the weaker brethren a burden heavier than he can bear, with consequent disaster, not only to himself, but to the State and many law-abiding citizens.
    Before we, in this peaceful and beautiful homeland of ours—and surely anyone who has survived the perils of these years of war must realise, as never before, the wonderful beauty and peace of our land, and the spirit of hope, constancy, and determination that it breathes into us now, as it has into our ancestors in the past—I say, before we in the peace of Great Britain and in the security of this House venture to express an opinion on actions taken in a clime, in a place, and in circumstances so very different from our own, we should try to picture to ourselves the situation on that hot April day in the dusty sun-baked streets of the City of Amritsar. We here have practically forgotten the horrors of the mutiny in India in 1857, and so had most folk in India, but, alas, the recent occurrences have brought them back all too forcibly to the minds and recollections of the small band of British men and women scattered over that great land. Every civil and military authority could not but remember that it was the natural reluctance to take the immediate and drastic action necessary to check the Mutiny in its inception, that led to the terrible sufferings and the heroic deaths of British women and children, of British civilians, and of soldiers, both British and Indian, who fell, not in hundreds, but in hundreds of thousands, during those terrible months.
    General Dyer had to deal at Amritsar with no mere ordinary case of temporary assistance to the Civil Power in face of a local riot, but with a situation which had been in existence for some time, and which before General Dyer’s arrival had led to the murder of Europeans, to an assault on an Englishwoman, to loss of life among natives, and to much damage to property.
    It was a situation which, in the opinion of the Civil Authority, had become so dangerous as to be beyond the competence of the Civil Power. Let me read to you the terms, of the written order given by the Civil Authority to General Dyer on his arrival on the night of the 11th April, 1919: The troops have orders to restore order in Amritsar and to use all force necessary. No gatherings of persons nor processions of any sort will be allowed. All gatherings will be fired on. This same notice is endorsed by the Civil Authorities as having been given out to several of the citizens on the 11th April, two days before the incident at Jullianwala Bagh.
    In order to understand a man’s action in any past occurrence, it is essential to realise the situation as it presented itself to that man at that time. Let us therefore try to visualise General Dyer’s position as he approached the Jullianwala Bagh on the 13th April. At 4 o’clock on that hot afternoon, General Dyer receives notice from the Superintendent of Police that a crowd is assembling in the Jullianwala Bagh, a little park in Amritsar City, an assembly which, in such an atmosphere, cannot but be a great potential danger to law-abiding citizens, both British and Native. With the mere handful of men at his disposal, he marches to the scene to disperse, as is his duty, this grave menace to law and order. To get there, he has to march far, and to pass through the curious narrow streets, that all who have been to Amritsar, as I have, will well remember. Long before he arrives, his approach is heralded. News travels fast in such circumstances.
    On arriving at the entrance to the park, he finds himself in face of a huge assembly of many thousand people. They appear to him to be in a dangerous mood, and he knows that it is possible that they are armed with lathis—long bamboo clubs, often ringed with iron, dangerous weapons in hand to hand fighting. The nearest men are within a few yards of him, and a determined rush may easily overwhelm his little force of fifty native soldiers1750armed with rifles, and forty armed only with kukris, the Gurkha knives. He and his men are isolated in a big city; narrow streets are behind them; both flanks and rear are open to attack; no reinforcements are within reach; and if this little band of guardians of law and order are overwhelmed, there is nothing to hold in check the instigators of crime and insurrection; there is nothing to prevent a continuation of the murder, looting and arson, that had occurred three days before. Indeed, it might well be that any hesitation on his part, any failure to use, and to use at once, the necessary force, might be the spark which would set alight the conflagration of another mutiny.

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  158. @FKA Max
    The Chinese work about as much as the South Koreans:

    How hard does China work?

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/06/how-hard-does-china-work

    The average Chinese worker works between 2,000-2,200 hours every year in China, Wang Qi, a researcher of the Beijing Normal University, told China Real Time. Such an estimate was based on data from China’s National Bureau of Statistics, industry groups and online questionnaires.
    [...]
    “It may have been one of the secrets that help created the ‘China miracle’ but it has created a lot of problems,” Mr. Lai said, citing the frequency of workplace accidents, which tend to happen when workers are tired. “It is not sustainable.”

    Shorter working hours will enhance innovation, he argues, with workers having more time to take up new skills and explore fresh ideas. It will also bolster employment, with employers forced to hire more workers, he said.
     
    - https://blogs.wsj.com/chinarealtime/2014/12/03/chinese-workers-should-work-less-spend-more-report-says-2/

    600,000 Chinese die from overworking each year

    http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2016-12/11/content_27635578.htm Archived link: http://archive.is/udaNM

    Women stand on sofas and hold banners that denounce the impact on families from overtime work during an event in Shanghai, Aug 8, 2016. One of the participant holds a banner that reads, "No dinner is more valuable than that shared together at home" during the "Lonely Sofa" Event.

    http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/images/attachement/jpg/site1/20161211/d8cb8a3c66c019b74d8b0f.jpg

    Are you aware that you are ruining stereotypes? Ordinary people in the West are expected by their betters to believe that any protest in China is crushed immediately and decisively, with protesters being either killed or imprisoned for life. And here you are, showing Chinese people that are clearly not scared to protest openly. It is unpatriotic to undermine the lies of Western MSM. Late unlamented senator McCarthy would call what you are doing un-American activity.

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  159. Anon[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    He's very fair. He's well travelled and is very familiar with a lot of ethnicities, and you know what they say what familiarity breeds.

    He’s not at all well traveled in America. He knows nothing about America but the ruins of Detroit where he grew up. Or did he grow up in the wealthy lovely town of Ann Arbor 50 miles away? He’s claimed both.

    But he makes all sorts of totally absolutely wrong statements about America.

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  160. Malla says:
    @Colin Wright
    'The primary reason may be commercial but there always was a moral, civilizing motive. If not, how do you explain this?'

    You seem to be arguing with something I didn't say. Actually, you want to go into rhapsodies about the virtues of British India, I'm your man.

    Actually, you want to go into rhapsodies about the virtues of British India, I’m your man.

    Hey maybe you should check out this book.
    Mother India by Catherine Mayo

    http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks03/0300811h.html

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  161. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Malla
    JULIANWALA BAUG

    Well where do we start about the Amritsar Massacre. When did the Amritsar Jalianwala Baug incident take place? 1919. Close to WW1. And this is for a reason. As you know WW1 pitted the British Empire, French Empire and the Russian Empire against the German Empire, Austro Hungarian Empire and the Ottoman Empire. Not only did wars take place in the fields of Europe but skirmishes took place outside Europe among the colonies. For example, many German colonies in Africa were conquered by the British. Similarly due the Zionist forces in the British government wanting Palestine, the British Empire fought the Ottoman Empire and the Arab holdings of the Ottoman Empire was lost. Remember Lawrence of Arabia. Many British Indian troops were involved in the Middle Eastern campaigns.
    Well the Turks and the Germans thought, 'Well if the British and French interfere in our Empires why should we not?'.
    Lets begin with the Turks. We had a strange dilemma here. What people do not realize is that the British Empire was the largest Islamic power in the world. This is because most Muslims of the world lived in this Empire, Indian subcontinent, Egypt, Malaysia etc... But the political head of the Muslims was the Caliph who was the Sultan of the Ottoman Empire. Very strange situation when you realize both the Empires were at war with one another. Well the Turks decided to send agents into Muslims colonies of the British Empire (India, Egypt) and French Empire (Algeria and North Africa in general) to rile up the masses in the name of the Caliph. This way Allied troops will have to be diverted in the colonies to keep the peace and thus they would be off the battle field. Thus in India we had the 'Kalifat movement' (Kalifat from Caliph, the Ottoman Emperor) where Muslims rioted in India resulting in the usual Hindu Muslim riots and killings. This Kalifat movement, shocked the Hindus and led to the creation of right winged Hindu organisations like the RSS (Rastriya Swayam Seva Sangh or National Self Help Organization) and VHP (Vishwa Hindu Parishad or World Hindu Council) in response to the Muslim riots . This mega fracturing in Hindu Muslim relations (which was never good but not THIS BAD) would eventually lead to the future partition of India into India and Pakistan. So the dumb action of the Turks in British India led to many serious ramifications in the future.
    Now we get the Germans. What many do not realize is that the Germans had built excellent networks in the British Empire especially India (and even Ireland, yes the Sinn Fein) with the aim to sabotage the British Empire. Well you cannot blame them because the Allies had attacked German colonies themselves, this was tit for tat. These deep networks within India originally built by German Imperial agents would be later used by another power, the Soviet Union, after the Germans lost interest after the war. The Soviet Union was hell bent on destroying the British Empire, Lenin said that the British Empire would be attacked at its extremities. But lets get back to the Germans whose actions led to the famous 'Hindu-German conspiracy' or the Gadar (traitor) party. Indeed the Kaiser of Germany sent letters to the royal families of India to switch their allegiance from the King Emperor of India (British Monarch) to the German Kaiser with the promise of a new German Indian Empire. Many Indian princes were interested and went to Germany but overall the Indian royal families (Hindu, Muslim and Buddhist) in general remained loyal to the Emperor. Indians working for the Germans tried to sabotage the British Indian government. There are entire tomes written on this with Indian 'revolutionaries' supported by German and Austrian agents played cat and mouse games with British agents throughout Europe and even America.
    Hell there was even a Hindu german conspiracy trial in the USA.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Hindu–German_Conspiracy_Trial

    These Gadarites were mostly Punjabis (where the German networks were one of the strongest) and in 1915 they conducted revolutionary activities in central Punjab and organised uprisings. Their presence challenged the hold of the British Empire; police surveillance in Punjabi villages increased in an attempt to crush the rebellion.
    As Nesta Webster wrote in her book ‘Surrender of Empire’
    “On March 17, that is to say, on the eve of the great German offensive, a meeting of the German-Irish Society was held at the Hotd Adlon in Berlin under the auspices of the German Government. The meeting was addressed at length by Freiherr von Stumm, representing the Imperial Foreign Office representatives of the German Wax Office and Admiralty were present, also Abdul Malitch Haniza Bey, of the Committee of Egyptian Nationalists and Young Turli Organisation in Berne ; Datta Bhupendranath, alias Dutt, head of the Berlin Indians during the War, concerned in seditious publications against Great Britain; Champakaraman PUlai, a well-known agitator, and a number of other Indian and Egyptian sedition mongers. Dr. Chatterton-Hill and St. John Gaffney, representing Sinn Fein, were also present. Messages of congratulation were received from the Kaiser and Field-Marsh von Hindenburg.”
    …snip…
    “It is important to note that at this stage the Soviet Government took no part in the movement, which was purely an alliance between a section of German Monarchists and the enemies of Great Britain. Dr. Chatterton-HiH, who, after the German revolution of November 1918, tried to get into touch with Bolshevist circles in Germany and Switzerland, found the Bolsheviks unreceptive to his scheme of co-operation between Irish Republicanism and Russian Communism. It is obvious the two ideas would not blend. Nor was Moscow inclined to support, or at any rate to finance, the programme of the V.V.V. in which Communist propaganda was not included. Gradually, however, the Bolsheviks came to realise the utility of this organisation as a means for furthering the aims of world revolution by destroying British power in India, Egypt and Ireland, and when a further meeting took place in Berlin in October 1920, Moscow had decided that Berhn should remain the centre of the Germano-Bolshevik movement in the West, where all the wires connecting anti-British and anti-Entente movements in Ireland, India and Egypt should join.”
    …snip….
    “It is important to understand that this organisation, the V.V.V., later to be known as the ” League against Colonial Oppression,” and still later as the " League against Imperialism,” usually attributed to Moscow, is of German Monarchists origin, formed in the first instance, not for Communist propaganda, but for propaganda against French and still more British " Imperialism.” It was not the Boldxeviks, but the Germans who, having lost their own colonies in the War, first conceived the idea of rousing the peoples of the East against their Western rulers, and raised the cry of “ colonial oppression.” It was the German Monarchists who had united the enemies of Great Britain in the German-Irish Society, which provided the nucleus for the V.V.V. and brought Irish and Indian agitators in touch with each other. It was not, in fact, until after the meeting of the V.V.V. in Berlin in January 1920, when Moscow began to take an interest in the Irish Republican movement, that in June of that year the draft of a treaty was drawn up between Sinn Fein and the Soviet Republic.”
    …snip…
    “The most violent revolutionaries were as a rule those Indians who had received some education in the West of Europe. Centres of propaganda existed both in London and Paris. In 1905, a native of West^ India, Shyamiji Krishnavarma, started a " Home Rule Society " in London, and in the following year he instituted " India House,” which became a hot-bed of sedition, a product of which was the young Indian, Dhingra, who assassinated Sir Curzon WyUie at the Imperial Institute on July 1, 1909.
    Unfortunately Mr. Blunt was not alone in his encouragement of sedition. A number of English men and women lent it their support. Many no doubt were sincere, believing they were helping the cause of " freedom ” ; what they lacked was a knowledge of real conditions in India”
    …snip..
    “The truth is that, on the part of the great mass of the population, there was no spontaneous desire in the past to throw off British rule. The whole movement has been artificially engineered. The husband of the present writer, who served twenty years in India, keeping on excellent terms with Indians of all classes, never throughout this period heard a single Indian express a desire for self-government or any hostility to British rule. Indeed, the one appeal continually addressed to him was ; " Sahib, see that my case is judged - by a Sahib and not by an Indian magistrate.”

    …snip…
    “The proportion of the Indian people consciously desiring self-government constituted only an infinitesimal fraction of the whole, but from the time of Lord Ripon’s scheme of " Local Self-Government " and its sequel in the proposed Ilbert Bill of 1883 for increasing the power of Indian judges and magistrates, defeated by the protests of Europeans in Calcutta, the course of British administration in India has been marked by concessions to this vocal minority, composed almost entirely of Indians educated in England. These men, drawn mainly from the hahi dass, after absorbing Western ideas on political and social questions, could find no scope for their activities on their return to their native land and consequently joined the ranks of agitators, if only as a means of advancement.
    Such was the encouragement given to the promoters of sedition that an Indian official once observed to a British officer : " If you want to get on, you must become an agitator, and then the Government take notice of you and you may become a judge.” Thus in India as in Ireland, the same fatal policy of concession, of yielding, not to reasonable demands but to seditious agitation, helped to swell the army of malcontents. ”
    …snip….
    “It was left to Imperial Germany to inaugurate the latter method of undermining British rule in India, which is now being followed out with still greater energy by the Bolsheviks of Russia. It is from the date that the latter danger arose that laxity towards sedition has acquired a greater importance.
    The German conspiracy began several years before the Great War ; Bemhardi in his book, Germany and the Next War, published in 1911, had expressed the hope of shaking British power in India. Already at that date the Germans were working in touch with Indian revolutionaries in Europe, and the Ghair Revolutionary Party had been formed by a certain Hardayal in California, spreading the doctrine that Germany would strike at England. This man was again a product of Western education. As the Morning Post observed : " The worst of the Indian extremists come from the English-educated stratum. The two most conspicuous outrage plotters, Hardayal and Krishnavarma, both took English University honours.” The bomb thrown at Lord Hardinge in Delhi in December 1912 was the outcome of this teaching.”

    …snip…
    “Amongst other members of the " Indian National Party ” in Berlin was a certain Heramba Lai Gupta, who became Indian agent of Germany in America and worked with two German Americans, Boehm and Wehde, in training Indians for an invasion of Burma. All three men were tried and convicted at a State trial in Chicago in November 1917. The particular mission of Wehde was to convey 20,000 dollars of German money to the revolutionaries in India.
    This Indian revolutionary society in Berlin appears to have been later in close touch, if not identical, with the V.V.V. According to the official report of its activities, it aimed at establishing a republic in India, held constant meetings attended by Turks, Egyptians, German officals. Hardayal and Chattopadhya were in daily communication with the German Foreign Office. To carry out the revolution in India, there was an Oriental Bureau for translating and disseminating seditious literature to the Indian prisoners of war in Germany. Inflammatory letters, drafted by the German Government and addressed to Indian Princes as from the German authorities, were translated and printed. A consignment of these was intercepted by British agents in Persia on its way from Bagdad to India in 1916. They had the autograph signature of the German Chancellor von Bethmann Hollweg. " Meetings were held in Berlin in which the common objects of India and Germany were dilated upon, these meetings being sometimes presided over by highly placed German officials.”
    …snip….
    Thus, when the Bolsheviks came into power their path had been already paved for them in the East by German agents, many of whom now passed into the service of Moscow to carry on the same anti-British propaganda, this time in the cause of world revolution.”

    Thanks for telling the truth about the
    so called massacre. The rioters were given every chance to disperse peacefully, but they charged first.
    And got what they deserved.

    Why didn’t Jeff the ignorant mention the 40 million Indians massacred each other as soon as the British left?

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    Thanks for telling the truth about the so called massacre.
     
    You are welcome, bud. The truth has to come out. There is such a matrix of lies woven by Communists in the West and third world nationalist.

    Why didn’t Jeff the ignorant mention the 40 million Indians massacred each other as soon as the British left?
     
    That was bound to happen after the Empire crumbled in the subcontinent. Also Independent India has used so much more brutality in its dealings in Kashmir, Nagaland, Mizoram etc... suppressing Independence movements there, that the Amritsar 'massacre' seems like a non event.

    Just like the Mau Mau, where the Kenyan government used the same tactics against the Somalis to suppress Kenyan Somali independence. But the Mau Mau is another story.

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  162. FKA Max says: • Website
    @Andrei Martyanov
    You should have tried at least something fresher, like July of 2018?

    http://usfunds.com/investor-library/frank-talk/top-10-countries-with-largest-gold-reserves/#.W38LvNwnaUk

    Plus, of course, there is such a tricky thing called paper gold--and that is where a lot of this gold "statistics" get a bit tangled.

    Russia is the undisputed world leader in gold reserves as percentage of nominal GDP, but Europe is not too far behind:

    For the United States, that ratio is 1.8%. For China the ratio is estimated at 1.5% (China’s ratio is an estimate because China is non-transparent about the amount of gold in its reserves. The actual ratio is likely in a range of 1% to 3%).
    [...]
    For Russia, the gold-to-GDP ratio is a whopping 5.6%, or three times the U.S. ratio.
    [...]
    The gold-to-GDP ratio for the Eurozone is 3.6%; not as high as Russia, but double the U.S. ratio. On the whole, Russia is the strongest gold power in the world.

    https://www.unz.com/tsaker/the-other-new-revolutionary-russian-weapons-systems-asats/#comment-2421577

    Germans Have Quietly Become The World’s Biggest Buyers Of Gold

    and then there’re the Indians…

    As I’ve shared with you many times before, Indians have long valued gold not only for its beauty and durability but also as financial security. Indian households have the largest private gold holdings in the world, standing at an estimated 24,000 metric tons. That figure surpasses the combined official gold reserves of the United States, Germany, Italy, France, China and Russia.https://www.forbes.com/sites/greatspeculations/2017/10/11/germans-have-quietly-become-the-worlds-biggest-buyers-of-gold/

    I’m always surprised how most geopolitical analysts seem to completely disregard Europe and India when it comes to potential future global power players/leader nations/regions. I briefly touched upon the European-Indian and Russian-Indian alliances in the following comment:

    I think both Russia and India together, backed up by the West, will keep China in check.

    As you can see the in the above diagram there is a strong affinity between the Orthodox and Hindu civilizations.

    Interestingly, German steel concern Thyssen-Krupp just announced a joint-venture with the Indian conglomerate Tata Group‘s steel subsidiary Tata Steel, which could be the foreshadowing of things and alliances to come

    https://www.unz.com/tsaker/the-other-new-revolutionary-russian-weapons-systems-asats/#comment-2425816

    Mr. Sailer posted a fantastic blog entry a while back, which I very much agree with, on this topic:

    For example, back in the 20th Century, I went to a conference where the most impressive speaker may have been the late General William Odom, who had been Zbig’s head of military intelligence in the Carter Admin, then head of Reagan’s National Security Admin. He gave his theory of the Grand Strategic Interests of the United States: there are only two places in the world that Really Matter in the sense that the world could be ruled from there (instead of, presumably, from North America): northwest Europe (Britain, France, and Germany) and northeast Asia (Japan, Korea, and China). He said that war within either cockpit would be of the gravest concern to the United States, just as it had been in the 1940s.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/daily-mail-infiltrates-secret-bilderberg-confab-finds/#p_1_4:1-123

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  163. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:

    Anyone who wants to learn what the Chinese have been doing in Asia for the last 1200 years should read these books by Sterling Seagrave.
    He’s English Indian. His family’s been raising and exporting tea in NE India for 200 years.

    Lords of the Rim 1
    Lords of the Rim 2
    Chinese Renaissance

    The books aren’t about China. They are about Chinese business and immigrants all over SE Asia and into America. Read them and get over the naive gullible admiration of a rapacious people.

    Just look at California. The state has the socialist strict worker safety environmental oversight of business especially manufacturing

    But there are tens of thousands of slabs labir completely illegal small factories and food processing plants all over the state.

    And nothing is ever done.

    The high coast of housing in coastal Chinese and Indian infested areas isn’t caused by the wealthy able to pay high prices. It’s caused by 30 $4.00 an hour 120 a week slave restaurant employees living in a 3 bedroom house and garage.

    What American 2 income family can compete with that?

    Very few

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    He’s English Indian.
     
    Stunning demerit.
    , @denk

    Lords of the Rim 1
    Lords of the Rim 2
    Chinese Renaissance

    The books aren’t about China. They are about Chinese business and immigrants all over SE Asia and into America. Read them and get over the naive gullible admiration of a rapacious people.]
     
    LOL
    Go Tell mr English Indian Seagrave,
    fukusIndian defines rapacious

    The trophies.......
    USA, Canada, Oz, NZ, Falkland, Diego Garcia, Hawaii,
    Iraq, Afghan, OKinawa, Jeju, Kosovo, ....
    Arunachal Pradesh, Assam, Meghalaya, Manipur, Mizoram, Nagaland and Tripura , Sikkim, Bhutan,.....

    Seagrave clan has been selling tea for 200 years in NE India.----[sic]
     
    YOu mean the other Tibet, the one where no anglos/indians wanna talk about, , even if the Seagraves have been there for two centuries ?

    May I ask mr Seagrave how did Mongoloid seven sister ended up in Dravidian India ?
    The people dont belong, even the region sticks out like sore thumb from the Indian heartland if you look at a map

    To cut a long story short.
    The Brits annexed all the seven sisters Mongoloid kingdoms into the Raj after decades of bloody wars.

    When London let go of India, it left the seven tiny states to fend for themselves.
    The seven sisters thought they would get their own independence but hell no. Nehru wouldnt let go of that precious booty passed down from the Brits.

    During the negotiation with the Naga delegation,
    Nehru banged the table and thundered to the Nagas, 'Whether heaven fall or India goes into pieces and blood run red in the Country, whether I am here or anyone else, Nagas will not be allowed to be independent”. [some democracy,]

    True to his words,
    India invaded the seven sisters with several divisions of its medieval armies .
    The seven sisters fought bravely ,but they were hopelessly outnumbered and outgunned, after decades of heroic battles during which they lost hundreds of thousands of sons/daughters, the seven sisters were finally subdued by the Indian juggernaut.
    The result was inevitable and pathetic, the Indians utilised scorched earth tactics, industrial scale massacres and mass rapes to break the resistance.
    A veritable genocide but not a peep from the 'international community'.

    Even to this day. , New Delhi has to rely on one of the world's most draconian 'anti insurgency' law, the dreaded AFSPA [another hand me down from the Brits] to supress seven sisters' still smothering resistance.
    The AFSPA is nuthin but a license to kill and rape with total impunity by the notorious Assam rifles, of the 'Indian army rape me' fame.

    Truth about the wonderful
    Chinese hurts doesn’t it?--------
     
    LOL

    When did the 6lies ever speak the truth ?

    Here's the truth, but I doubt it'd hurt you one bit, fukusIndian have never been known for their thin skin ;-)

    The Chinese diaspora achieved their dominant economic position by sheer blood, sweat and tears.
    They started out as coolies in SEA and worked their ass off to bring home the food.
    They built your god damned very first railway .

    fukusI built their fortunes also thru blood , sweat and tear ...of the colonised subjects !

    Exhibit Diego Garcia
    Gassing hundreds of pet dogs to scare away the indigenous population.
    What a neat way of ethnic cleansing !

    Exhibit Pueter Rico

    Exhibit Haiwaii

    tips of an iceberg...

    Exhibit Indian NE
    a fukusIndia gang bang of the seven sisters.

    Being Chinese you think 25 people and an illegal chicken slaughter house where the chickens are cut up 2 feet away from a crate filled with manure is normal.

    May be normal for Chinese culture but not in the western Christian heritage world.-----
     
    In western Christian heritage world, their fav pass time is shooting fish in a barrel,

    Exhibit a

    Fallujah
    http://www.unz.com/article/beijings-bid-for-global-power-in-the-age-of-trump/#comment-2480146

    Exhibit b

    Iraq highway of death...

    Baghdad radio had just announced Iraq's acceptance of a cease-fire proposal and, in compliance with UN Resolution 660, retreating Iraqi troops were ordered to withdraw to positions held before Aug. 2, 1990.

    Nonetheless, President George H.W. Bush derisively called the announcement “an outrage” and “a cruel hoax.”

    The Home of the Brave™, it seems, wasn’t quite ready to stop the massacre…

    U.S. planes trapped the long convoys by disabling vehicles in the front, and at the rear, and then pounded the resulting traffic jams for hours,” says Joyce

    Chediac, a Lebanese-American journalist.

    “It was like shooting fish in a barrel,” one U.S. pilot said.

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article34041.htm

    Again and again, as loudspeakers on the carrier Ranger blared Rossini’s “William Tell Overture”, the rousing theme song of the Lone Ranger, one strike force after another took off with their load of missiles and anti-tank and anti-personnel Rockeye cluster bombs, which explode into a deadly rain of armor-piercing bomblets; land-based B-52s joined in with 1000-pound bombs. …

    “It’s not going to take too many more days until there’s nothing left of them.” … “shooting fish in a barrel” …

    “basically just sitting ducks” … “There’s just nothing like it. It’s the biggest Fourth of July show you’ve ever seen, and to see those tanks just `boom,’ and more stuff just keeps spewing out of them … they just become white hot. It’s wonderful.”

    https://williamblum.org/chapters/killing-hope/iraq


    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article34041.htm



    This 'western christian heritage' culture would graciously grant a reprieve on Ramadan day when carpet bombing Iraq, but had no qualm bombing xtian Yugo on Easter sunday, wiping out their xtian heritage .

    Go figure !

    [KLA terrorists have forced around 300,000 people to leave Kosovo - Serbs, 'Gypsies,' Slavic Muslims, ethnic Turks, Croatians, Jews and ethnic Albanians loyal to Yugoslavia. Those Serbs who have remained live under nightmare conditions. The KLA has systematically attacked Serbian Orthodox churches, monasteries and graveyards. More than 110 Serbian Orthodox churches have been badly vandalized or reduced to rubble. [4]

    These buildings were not only treasures of Christianity, masterpieces of an ancient Church; they were also works of art. They belonged to the world.]

    http://emperors-clothes.com/churchpics/list.htm

    hallelujah, hallelujah, onward the gawd's army !
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  164. @Daniel Chieh
    A country can be a totalitarianism without it being a plutocracy, though. That's the point. Its a country with a lot of problems, but it still is worthwhile to identify what's true and not true. The commies can be assholes, but these days they're mostly rational assholes and reason's surprisingly nice.

    The entire extension into Mongols is bewildering and hilarious. I am part-Mongol. Halp, I'm being oppressed. Um, no?

    Uighers harbor murderous radicals that haven't gone for more than a few years without inflicting a mass terrorist attack, and a long history of massacring Han civilians. And no, we're not talking about rioting and stabbing. Mass, organized slaughter.


    China is a state of the Han people, for the Han people, and by the Han people.
     
    China is the state of the Communist Party, for the Communist Party, and by the Communist Party. The Han just happen to live in their world.

    ‘…China is the state of the Communist Party, for the Communist Party, and by the Communist Party…’

    There you go. And Communism provides an ideological justification for massive economic disparity and unfettered capitalism how?

    The current order in China lacks any ideological foundation; the kind of ideological foundation that saw the US through the Great Depression or Iran through her war with Iraq, for example. A severe trauma comes along (which they have a nasty habit of doing) and what’s going to happen?

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    The Communist Party isn't sure if it is Communist, but it is sure that it wants to continue to exist. It exists to a significant extent, so it can continue to exist, heedless of contradictions in its name or mission.

    That said, the Party, whether you like it or not, has wedged itself into a position that it is load-bearing upon the nation. It is impossible to mess with it without destroying the nation as a whole, and reducing it to chaos; the Chinese population are VERY aware of this and has no desire to engage in that. There's no positive result of mass chaos, death, etc. And there is a feedback cycle of sorts for changes - a lot of the monitoring/surveilence is genuinely benign - it actually tries to find out what's upsetting the population, and then alters policy based on it. It seems like it'd be a lot worse than democratic participation, but you know, sometimes I wonder these days.

    Any ideological foundation will have to be traditional, pre-Communist and to some extent, Xi reversed earlier efforts and has begun to try to extol Confucian virtues, etc. By and large, though, there is a tendency toward stability. There are some interesting post-Communist writing and developments on hardcore leftism, but they tend toward the grandly insane and aren't really serious(typical professor ramblings).
    , @Malla
    There is no P.RChina Vs USA. The whole thing is a sham scam. There is not a successful Communist country on earth that was not funded and supported by Western banking ZOG elites. This includes Mao, Lenin/Trotsky, Castro. Even Vietnam.
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  165. Malla says:
    @Anon
    Thanks for telling the truth about the
    so called massacre. The rioters were given every chance to disperse peacefully, but they charged first.
    And got what they deserved.

    Why didn’t Jeff the ignorant mention the 40 million Indians massacred each other as soon as the British left?

    Thanks for telling the truth about the so called massacre.

    You are welcome, bud. The truth has to come out. There is such a matrix of lies woven by Communists in the West and third world nationalist.

    Why didn’t Jeff the ignorant mention the 40 million Indians massacred each other as soon as the British left?

    That was bound to happen after the Empire crumbled in the subcontinent. Also Independent India has used so much more brutality in its dealings in Kashmir, Nagaland, Mizoram etc… suppressing Independence movements there, that the Amritsar ‘massacre’ seems like a non event.

    Just like the Mau Mau, where the Kenyan government used the same tactics against the Somalis to suppress Kenyan Somali independence. But the Mau Mau is another story.

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  166. Alfa158 says:
    @Anon
    In other words, The Chinese Empire will be like the Roman and Turkish ones. The Empire will be run for the benefit of the people of the Empire, not the people of the colonies.

    What a concept.

    The Romans were nothing if not pragmatic. After decades of intermittent war the Romans finally defeated the Parthian Empire. After sacking the capital they balanced off the income from occupying the territory ( basically what is today Iraq, Iran and Afghanistan) against the costs, figured out that it would be hard to break even financially, and pulled out. In those days it was hard to have a consistent level of taxation needed to conduct extensive wars, so expansionary wars were expected to return a profit.

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  167. @Colin Wright
    '...China is the state of the Communist Party, for the Communist Party, and by the Communist Party...'

    There you go. And Communism provides an ideological justification for massive economic disparity and unfettered capitalism how?

    The current order in China lacks any ideological foundation; the kind of ideological foundation that saw the US through the Great Depression or Iran through her war with Iraq, for example. A severe trauma comes along (which they have a nasty habit of doing) and what's going to happen?

    The Communist Party isn’t sure if it is Communist, but it is sure that it wants to continue to exist. It exists to a significant extent, so it can continue to exist, heedless of contradictions in its name or mission.

    That said, the Party, whether you like it or not, has wedged itself into a position that it is load-bearing upon the nation. It is impossible to mess with it without destroying the nation as a whole, and reducing it to chaos; the Chinese population are VERY aware of this and has no desire to engage in that. There’s no positive result of mass chaos, death, etc. And there is a feedback cycle of sorts for changes – a lot of the monitoring/surveilence is genuinely benign – it actually tries to find out what’s upsetting the population, and then alters policy based on it. It seems like it’d be a lot worse than democratic participation, but you know, sometimes I wonder these days.

    Any ideological foundation will have to be traditional, pre-Communist and to some extent, Xi reversed earlier efforts and has begun to try to extol Confucian virtues, etc. By and large, though, there is a tendency toward stability. There are some interesting post-Communist writing and developments on hardcore leftism, but they tend toward the grandly insane and aren’t really serious(typical professor ramblings).

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  168. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Colin Wright
    I think China has some features that could prove to be crippling.

    For one, her economy does rely very heavily on exports. This spells instant catastrophe in the event of trade war or global economic meltdown. Trump isn't handling his trade war with China very adroitly; someone else at some point may.

    For another, Chinese are congenitally corrupt. It's just too damned easy to bribe someone; and this in turn makes it very hard to move goods and money around efficiently.

    For a third, the country is a plutocracy on a scale that makes America look like an exercise in economic egalitarianism. Try looking up the number of billionaires with seats in the Chinese Congress of People's Deputies; then compare to the US (in which average individual wealth remains many times greater than it is in China.) China is run by the rich. That's not necessarily a problem; but in the case of China, the disparity lacks an ideological foundation.

    That's a recipe for trouble. Revolutions notoriously occur when rising expectations are frustrated. The first serious hiccup, and every Chinese peasant, factory worker, and low-level engineer is likely to take to the streets. There's nothing to say they shouldn't.

    Now none of this may come true, or China may be able to triumph over any difficulties along these lines. On the other hand, she may not. I wouldn't put my retirement funds into China bonds.

    Revolutions occur when the wealthiest, and best organized elites decide to overthrow another elite group.

    Conventional histories of the reformation and American, French and Russian revolutions are a joke.

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    Conventional histories of the reformation and American, French and Russian revolutions are a joke.
     
    I would include nearly all anti colonial movements (all of the African movements including FLN in Algeria, Vietnam, India etc...), all revolutions in the Americas including the haitian as well as the revolution of Simon Bolivar (whisper: Freemasons) as well as the revolution in Mexico, all successful Communist revolutions (Mao in China, Castro in Cuba for example) and even the Islamic revolution in Iran against the Shah.
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  169. @Anon
    Anyone who wants to learn what the Chinese have been doing in Asia for the last 1200 years should read these books by Sterling Seagrave.
    He’s English Indian. His family’s been raising and exporting tea in NE India for 200 years.

    Lords of the Rim 1
    Lords of the Rim 2
    Chinese Renaissance

    The books aren’t about China. They are about Chinese business and immigrants all over SE Asia and into America. Read them and get over the naive gullible admiration of a rapacious people.

    Just look at California. The state has the socialist strict worker safety environmental oversight of business especially manufacturing

    But there are tens of thousands of slabs labir completely illegal small factories and food processing plants all over the state.

    And nothing is ever done.

    The high coast of housing in coastal Chinese and Indian infested areas isn’t caused by the wealthy able to pay high prices. It’s caused by 30 $4.00 an hour 120 a week slave restaurant employees living in a 3 bedroom house and garage.

    What American 2 income family can compete with that?

    Very few

    He’s English Indian.

    Stunning demerit.

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    200 years in NE India.

    Truth about the wonderful
    Chinese hurts doesn’t it?

    Being Chinese you think 25 people and an illegal chicken slaughter house where the chickens are cut up 2 feet away from a crate filled with manure is normal.

    May be normal for Chinese culture but not in the western Christian heritage world.
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  170. Sparkon says:

    Slightly OT. Please indulge my curiosity.
    Mike Koozmin / The S.F. Examiner
    Caption: Harry Ong Jr. visits the Betty Ann Ong Chinese Recreation Center, named after his sister who was a flight attendant on American Airlines Flight 11 on 9/11 that crashed into one of the WTC towers.

    有谁知道为什么 Betty Ong 有鄧月薇作为中文名字?¹

    Does anyone know why Betty Ong has Deng Yuewei as a Chinese name?

    I don’t necessarily think there is anything sinister about this Chinese name, but I can’t rule it out either because Betty Ong & 9/11. It remains a mystery for which I haven’t been able to get a satisfactory answer. One possibility, in my view, is that Ong’s ancestry was known to some of her Chinese relatives and they have given her this additional name for religious or spiritual reasons harmonious with ancestor worship, to connect her soul with its ancestral roots, so to say.

    Whatever the case, Deng Yuewei would seem to be a rather ordinary Chinese girl’s name, so there must be some explanation for it having been given to American-born Betty Ong at some point in time, and some justification to include it on her memorial plaque at the Betty Ann Ong Chinese Recreation Center in Chinatown, San Francisco.

    Like others, Chinese sometimes take stage name, pen name, nom de guerre and what have you. For example:

    Ding Ling 丁玲, formerly romanized as Ting Ling, was the pen name of Jiang Bingzhi 蒋冰之, also known as Bin Zhi 彬芷, one of the most celebrated 20th-century Chinese authors. She was awarded the Soviet Union’s Stalin second prize for Literature in 1951.

    –Wikipedia

    But as far as I know, Betty Ong’s only real claim to fame was her role as a stewardess on American Airlines Flight 11, a Boeing 767 which is said to have crashed into WTC 1 after being hijacked by Arab terrorists on September 11, 2001.

    Previous (side) discussion:

    http://www.unz.com/article/revisiting-911-betty-ong-and-the-mystery-of-black-betty/#comment-2303125

    Anyone?

    ¹ Translation by Google Translate, which gave me three different hanzi variants for Deng Yuewei: 邓悦薇 • 邓悦伟 • 邓跃伟 but not 鄧月薇 which are the hanzi I was looking for to match what’s on her plaque in Chinatown. 邓 is the simplified version of 鄧.

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    You replied to me once about this and I can't really give any special insight. Chinese names are sometimes Westernized, so my Chinese name is translated into a homonym in English; I'm not aware of any special significance to pen names to my knowledge.

    Looking at the plaque: 鄧月薇 since East Asian names have surname first, I speculate it would actually be "Yue Wei Deng." The first two would be something like "Moonlight Fern", which sounds pretty and would be appropriate for a girl. Deng is a common surname.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deng_(surname)

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    @FKA Max

    Dr. Michael Pillsbury shares insight on ‘Life, Liberty & Levin’ about China’s tactical maneuvers against the U.S. through its science, technological and military capabilities.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seKRJ3JBQmc

    Source: https://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/the-yellow-peril-comes-to-washington/#comment-2465085

    Can China Lead The World Economy?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uO2WcRJ-9Gg

    Before WWII, the American is just one of the Western imperialists ravaged and wreaked havoc of Asia with barbaric wars, illicit drugs like Opium, slavery, stealing, robbing, looting, plundering, murdering, torturing, exploiting, polluting, culture genocide, ‘pious’ fanaticism, unmatchable greed and extreme brutality. In fact it is hard to tell the difference between the American and the unrepentant war criminal Japanese who is more lethal and barbaric to Asians.

    For over seventy years the US has dominated Asia, ravaging the continent with two major wars in Korea and Indo-China with millions of casualties, and multiple counter-insurgency interventions in Indonesia, Thailand, Malaysia, the Philippines, Timor, Myanmar, Pakistan and Afghanistan. The strategic goal has been to expand its military and political power, exploit the economies and resources and encircle China.

    The Western world has a long history of wanting the products of Chinese industry (in both the physical and psychological sense) and a long history of being unable to provide similar in return. Before WWII the West used Opium, violence and lies to get it, nowadays the West led by the American use fiet money (printed or digital funny dollars) instead of Opium, violence and lies to get it.

    Michael Pillsbury is mentally defunct by blaming the victim of the American unscruplous deeds as the bad guy duping the US.

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    If the U.S. is so terrible why is China cooperating with it in the "War on Drugs"?


    China-US Cooperation and the New Opium War


    The history of China and the Western world’s cooperation on and conflict over drugs began with the Opium Wars in the 1800s, when the British Empire pushed China to accept the illegal drug trade. The problems that Britain started continue today: the Chinese government has established over 500 counternarcotics guidelines and laws, more than any other country in the world, including the U.S., which itself is facing an opioid epidemic from New Hampshire to New Mexico. In 2016, the Chinese government’s seizures of synthetic drugs, such as ketamine and methamphetamine, soared by 106 percent, suggesting that whatever strategy China has pursued is failing to contain its own epidemic.

    China’s difficulties have spread to the U.S. through fentanyl, an opioid painkiller 50 times stronger (and thus deadlier) than heroin.
     

    - https://thediplomat.com/2017/08/china-us-cooperation-and-the-new-opium-war/

    Chinese Drugs Are Killing Americans | China Uncensored

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsnNpfZNCMI

    Was Prince a Victim of China’s Drug War? | China Uncensored

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOzJBzV1AL8

    , @Jeff Stryker
    The Japanese were the ones who actually committed the worst crimes on Chinese soil. The Manchurian Siberians before them-these folks then became your rulers.

    And it is worth noting that when your generals hauled ass to Taiwan following the Mao Revolution, the US Navy prevented Mao from following them.

    As for Chinese psychology, maybe you can provide a few examples. Confucius? Few Americans have heard of him, though of course I have. Feng Shui? Guns? The compass?

    How about a few examples?
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