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“Everywhere you look, if there is trouble in the region,” Secretary of Defense James Mattis told reporters on a mid-April visit to Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, “you find Iran.”

I must admit that when I stumbled across that quote it brought up uncomfortable personal memories.

East Baghdad, January 25, 2007: my patrol had missed a turn and so we swung onto the next grimy avenue instead. As platoon leader, I rode shotgun in the second of our four vehicles, yakking away on the radio. The ensuing explosion rocked the senses: the sound, the blinding dust, and the smell — a mix of burnt metal and, well… I still can’t bring myself to describe it.

Our lead HMMWV, a military utility vehicle, aimlessly swerved right and came to rest beside a telephone pole. Only then did the screams begin.

The “cost” would be two wounded and two dead: my then-unborn son’s namesakes, Specialist Michael Balsley and Sergeant Alexander Fuller. These were our first, but not last, fatalities. Nothing was ever the same again. I’m reminded of poet Dylan Thomas’s line: “After the first death, there is no other.”

The local militia had shredded our truck with an advanced type of improvised explosive device that was then just hitting the streets of Baghdad — an explosively formed projectile, or EFP. These would ultimately kill hundreds of American troops. Those EFPs and the requisite training to use them were provided to Iraqi militias by the Islamic Republic of Iran. It’s a detail I’m not likely to forget.

Still, there’s one major problem with bold, sweeping pronouncements (laced with one’s own prejudices) of the sort Secretary of Defense Mattis recently offered on Iran: they’re almost always wrong. It’s the essential flaw of “lumping” — that is, of folding countless events or ideas into one grand theory. But, boy, does it sound profound! The truth is that Iran is simply notbehind most of the turmoil in the Middle East, and until Washington’s policymakers change their all-Iran-all-the-time mental model, they are doomed to failure. One thing is guaranteed: they are going to misdiagnose the patient and attack the wrong disease.

Look, I’m emotionally invested myself. After all, I fought Iranian-trained militiamen, but a serious, workable national strategy shouldn’t rely on such emotion. It demands a detached, rational calculus. With that in mind, perhaps this is the moment — before the misdiagnosis sets in further — to take a fresh look at the nature of America’s thorny relationship with Iran and the Islamic Republic’s true place in the pantheon of American problems in the Greater Middle East.

Let’s start this way: How many Americans even realize that there are only three countries in the world with which their country has no ongoing diplomatic relations at all? Actually, the number was four until the Obama administration began slowly normalizing bilateral ties with one longtime member of the naughty list: Cuba. How many could name the three remaining states on that roll of shame? The first and easiest to guess is surely North Korea; the most obscure is Bhutan (the “Switzerland of the Himalayas”). And, yes, of course, last but by no means least is the Islamic Republic of Iran.

Think of all the scoundrels not on that list: Robert Mugabe’s Zimbabwe; our Pakistani “frenemy”; Vladimir Putin’s Russia; Equatorial Guinea with its craven, 40-year dictator, accused of cannibalism; and, until 2012, Bashar al-Assad’s grim Syrian regime. Throughout the Cold War, the U.S. kept an embassy in the Soviet Union and it similarly maintained formal relations with apartheid South Africa. As of 2014, the State Department officially dealt with nine-tenths of the globe’s most abusive regimes, according to the Human Rights Risk Atlas.

So, is the secretary of defense correct? Is Iran really behind all regional trouble in the Greater Middle East?

Hardly. In fact, such an assertion — and the language of absolutes that goes with it — is by definition problematic. In a Washington filled with Iranophobes, the demonization of that country is already a commonplace of everyday political chatter and it almost invariably rests on three inflated assumptions about Iran’s menacing nature: that it is on an eternal quest to develop and perhaps employ nuclear weapons (especially against Israel); that it massively supports regional “terrorists” and their proxies; and that it regularly exhibits an unquenchable desire to establish its regional hegemony by force of arms. All three suppositions rest on another faulty assumption: that Iran has a straightforwardly dictatorial system of fundamentalism led by irrational “mad mullahs.”

Let’s consider each of these propositions.

The Iran Exaggeration

Close your eyes for a moment and imagine a Middle Eastern country — no, not Israel — but one with a sizeable, protected Jewish community, a place where Islam is the state religion but its president regularly tweets Rosh Hashanah greetings for the Jewish New Year.

Sounds like somebody’s wild fantasy, but it’s actually Iran. In fact, the Islamic Republic sets aside one mandatory seat in its parliament for a Jew, three for Christians, and another for a Zoroastrian. It would be a mistake to conclude from such token gestures that Iran is a paragon of tolerance. But they do speak to the complexity of a diverse society full of paradox and contradiction.

It certainly is a land in which hardline fundamentalists chant “Death to America!” It’s also a country with an increasingly young, educated populace that holds remarkably positive views of Americans. In fact, whatever you might imagine, Americans tend to have significantly more negative views of Iran than vice versa. Don’t be shocked, but Iranians hold more positive views of the U.S. government than do the citizens of Washington’s allies like Egypt, Jordan, and Turkey. In reality, there’s long been a worrying paradox in the region: an inverse relationship between the amiability of a government’s relationship with Washington and the favorability ratings of this country among its people.

In other words, when it comes to Iran… well, it’s complicated. The trouble is that Americans generally don’t do nuance. We like our bad guys to be foreign and unmistakably vile, even if such a preference for digestible simplicity makes for poor policy.

If you want to grasp this point more fully, just think about Secretary of Defense Mattis’s recent statement again. He assures us that Iran’s shadow hovers over every regional crisis in the Middle East, which is empirically false. Here, for instance, are just a few recent conflicts that Iran is not behind or where its role has been exaggerated:

* The Arab Spring and the subsequent chaos in Tunisia, Libya, and Egypt. Iran didn’t start or significantly influence the uprisings in those countries.

* Turkey’s decades-long war with separatist Kurds in its southeast provinces. Again, not Iran.

* The ongoing spread of al-Qaeda affiliates in Syria and on the Arabian Peninsula. Iran actually abhors such groups, and certainly wasn’t behind their rise.

* Or, if you want, take Yemen, since supposed Iranian meddling in the Middle East’s poorest state happens to be one of the favorite drums Washington’s Iranophobic hawks like to beat. And yet a range of credible reports suggest that the much-decried collusion between Iran and the Houthi rebels, who are the focus of the Saudi war in that country, is highly exaggerated.

Look, Iran is a significant, if often thwarted and embattled, regional power and a player, sometimes even a destabilizing one, in various regional conflagrations. It supports proxies, funds partner states, and sometimes intervenes in the region, even sending in its own military units (think Syria). Then again, so does Saudi Arabia (Yemen and, in funding terms, elsewhere), the United Arab Emirates (Yemen), Russia (Syria), and the United States (more or less everywhere). So who’s destabilizing whom and why almost invariably turns out to be a matter of perspective.

The State Department and various other government agencies regularly label Iran the world’s leading “state sponsor of terrorism” — and that couldn’t sound more menacing or impressively official and authoritative. Yet to tag Iran as #1 on any terror list is misleading indeed. The questions worth asking are: Which terrorists? What constitutes terrorism? Do those “terror” outfits truly threaten the U.S. homeland?

As a start, in 2016, the State Department’s annual survey of worldwide terrorism labeled ISIS — not Iran, Hezbollah, or the Houthis — as “the greatest [terror] threat globally.” How do we square that “greatest sponsor” stamp with an Iran that has proven both thoroughly hostile to and deeply invested in the fight against ISIS and various al-Qaeda-linked groups in Iraq and Syria?

Iran does support Hezbollah in Lebanon and Hamas in the Palestinian territories. However, lumping regionally focused nationalist organizations like Hezbollah with genuine global jihadist groups like ISIS and al-Qaeda (in its proliferating forms) is deceptive, often purposely so. The Lebanon-based Hezbollah, for example, is largely fixated on Israel, but has sometimes even fought ISIS in Lebanon and Syria. In other words, Hezbollah, though it had previously attacked U.S. troops in the region, isn’t sending its operatives to crash planes into American buildings.

To think of it another way, more foreign ISIS volunteers hail from Belgium or the Maldives Islands than from Iran. In fact, most of the top sources of ISIS’s foreign recruits (Tunisia, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and Jordan) turn out to be “friendly” American “partners.” From 1975 to 2015, Iranian-born terrorists inflicted zero deaths in attacks on U.S. soil. In contrast, citizens of key U.S. allies — Saudis, Egyptians, and Lebanese — killed thousands on 9/11. In fact, since then, 85% of domestic terrorists turned out to be American citizens or permanent residents. Most were American-born. Of the 13 U.S. citizens involved in such fatal terror attacks, none were Iranian-American.

As to the charge that Iran is by nature an aggressive power, there can be little question that the Islamic Republic aggressively pursues its regional interests. That, however, by no means makes its moves automatically antagonistic to Washington’s interests in the region. If anything, as a Pentagon assessment concluded in 2014, its military strategy is ultimately defensive in nature and based on a feeling of being threatened, which makes sense when you think about it. After all, when it comes to American power — from the 1953 CIA-British coup that overthrew Iran’s elected prime minister and installed the autocratic Shah to Washington’s support for Iraqi autocrat Saddam Hussein in his war of aggression against Tehran (1980-1988) to the present administration’s all-in support for the autocratic Saudis in an anti-Iranian partnership, they have legitimate reasons to feel threatened.

In addition, unlikely as it may seem to most Americans, on certain issues like a Taliban-free Afghanistan, the U.S. and Iran actually have had converging, if complex, interests. Additionally, though Iran once promoted Iraqi Shiite militias that attacked and killed U.S. troops (including my soldiers, Mike Balsley and Alex Fuller), today, both countries desire a relatively stable, ISIS-free Iraq. None of this is easy to swallow (least of all by me), but prudent strategy demands a dispassionate, rational assessment of inherently emotional issues. Unfortunately, when it comes to Iran, that’s hardly an American predilection at the moment.

The Company We Keep

In 1957, the U.S. supplied a key regional leader with his first (“peaceful”) nuclear reactor, as well as the necessary scientific training for those who would run it and some weapons-grade uranium to power it. Then, in the 1970s, American experts began to fear that their partner might be seeking to develop nuclear weapons on his own. A few years later, revolutionaries overthrew him and inherited that American-originated program. That leader was, of course, the man the Americans had installed as ruler of Iran in 1953, Reza Shah Pahlavi.

It always struck me as odd that Iran made the cut for the very exclusive membership in George W. Bush’s “axis of evil.” After all, unlike those 15 Saudi hijackers and perhaps even the Saudi government, it had no connection to 9/11 and was “comprehensively helpful” in the initial takedown of the Afghan Taliban and the arrest of fleeing al-Qaeda fighters.

By contrast, consider just a few of Washington’s “partners” in the region:

* Saudi Arabia: this monarchy enforces a strict brand of conservative Wahhabi Islam not so terribly different from the basic theology of ISIS. The Saudi government publicly executes an average of 73 people per year, including juveniles and the mentally ill. Beheading is the favored technique. (Sound familiar?) Nor are all the victims convicted murderers. According to a 2015 Amnesty International report, “Non-lethal crimes including adultery, robbery, apostasy, drug-related offenses, rape, ‘witchcraft,’ and ‘sorcery’ are punishable by death.” In addition to its citizens carrying out the 9/11 attacks, Saudi Arabia supported a branch of al-Qaeda (Jabhat al-Nusra) in the Syrian conflict. Furthermore, its ongoing U.S.-backed air strikes against Yemen’s Houthi rebels have been killing numerous civilians and may have helped to cause and further intensify a disastrous famine. The U.S. response: a record-breaking $110 billion arms deal for the Saudis.

* Egypt: In the wake of a 2013 coup d’état led by General Abdel Fatah al-Sisi against an elected government, that country’s military gunned down hundreds of demonstrators. Since then, its strongman has used “mass, arbitrary arrests,” tortured detainees, and conducted “extrajudicial executions” — all in the interest of retaining power. The U.S. response: $1.4 billion in (mostly military) foreign assistance in fiscal 2017. To top it off, President Trump recently invited Sisi to the White House, lauded the dictator’s “fantastic job in a very difficult situation,” and is planning a future visit to Egypt.

* Turkey: this formal ally boasts NATO’s second largest military and hosts an important U.S. airbase. Unfortunately, Turkey is increasingly unstable thanks to a recent coup attempt, its ongoing war with Kurdish separatists, and an escalating intervention in Syria’s civil war. Worse yet, after relaunching an internal war against Kurdish rebels, its president, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, has taken the country into distinctly autocratic terrain in the wake of a narrow victory in a referendum that does away with the office of prime minister and further centralizes executive power in his hands. Turkey’s deteriorating human rights record includes the pre-trial detention of more than 40,000 coup “suspects,” the summary dismissal of 90,000 civil servants, the shuttering of hundreds of offices of nongovernmental organizations and media outlets, and the imposition of a 24-hour curfew in the predominantly Kurdish southeastern part of the country. The U.S. response: $3.8 million in direct (military) assistance in fiscal 2017, and promises to continue arms sales which topped $2.3 billion last year.

This motley crew has one thing in common — they’re no angels.

“Rip It Up”

Iran hawks live on both sides of the political aisle. In 2015, for example, Hillary Clinton told an audience at Dartmouth College that Iran represents “an existential threat to Israel.” Though she expressed tacit support for Obama’s then-pending nuclear deal — the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action, or JCPOA — she added that “even if we do get such a deal, we will still have major problems… [Iran is] the world’s chief sponsor of terrorism.”

When it comes to real rancor toward Iran, however, you have to look to the right. Senator John McCain, for instance, immediately cried foul about the JCPOA, calling it a “bad deal” likely to “nuclearize” the Middle East. More colloquially, as both a candidate and as president-elect, Donald Trump repeatedly vowed to “rip it up,” while former governor and presidential hopeful Mike Huckabee accused President Obama of “marching the Israelis to the door of the oven.”

Despite the bellicose rhetoric, intelligence and congressional testimonyindicate that Iran is complying with the JCPOA. Former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs General Martin Dempsey — not exactly a dove — believed that the deal reduced the risk of Iran weaponizing its nuclear power. All the appeals from the president, various pundits, neocons of every sort, and congressional hawks to withdraw from it also neglect an obvious reality: the JCPOA is a multilateral deal and none of our partners (Russia, China, Great Britain, France, and Germany) will support “tearing up” the agreement. Imagine the optics of a future American unilateral abrogation of an agreement Iran is complying with: the onus will be on Washington alone; its allies will continue to abide by the deal and, with genuine justification, Iran’s leaders will be able to depict the Americans as destabilizing “cowboys.”

Here’s the reality of the present situation: despite decades of sanctions and the military containment of Iran, the U.S. has not significantly affected its policies or stance in the region. Few in Washington display the courage to ask the crucial question: Why continue? Why not a creative new approach — the gradual normalization of relations?

Though you wouldn’t know it, given the prominence of Iranophobes in Washington, the U.S. has little to lose. Current policy is counterproductive in so many ways, while Washington’s never-ending bellicosity and threats to “rip up” the nuclear agreement only undercut Iran’s moderates and the eminently sensible President Hassan Rouhani, who recently won a smashing electoral victory against a hardline, fundamentalist opponent in which a stunning 73% of Iranian voters cast ballots. Why not make it more, not ever less, difficult for Iran’s conservatives to vilify the U.S.?

Forty Years of Failure

There’s an uncomfortable truth that Washington needs to face: U.S. policy toward Iran hasn’t achieved its goals despite almost four decades of effort since an American-installed autocrat was overthrown there in 1979. Foreign policy hawks — Democrats and Republicans alike — will undoubtedly fight that reality tooth-and-nail, but as with the Cuban embargo, Iranian isolation has long outworn any imagined usefulness. That ostracizing Iran remains fashionable reflects domestic political calculus or phobic thinking, not cogent strategy, and yet our new president just traveled to Saudi Arabia, a truly autocratic country, and in the wake of an Iranian election that was by all accounts resoundingly democratic, denounced that land as despotic and all but called for regime change.

So here’s a question that, believe it or not, is okay to ask and is not actually tantamount to treason: What exactly does Iran want and fear? It wants international legitimacy, security, and a reasonable degree of regional power (not world domination). It fears continued isolation, any coalition of hostile Sunni Arab nations led by Saudi Arabia (assisted by Israel), and U.S.-sponsored attempts at regime change. If you think that makes the Iranians sound paranoid, just check out the recent celebratory get-together in Saudi Arabia or remember how, just before the Bush administration’s 2003 invasion of Iraq, Newsweek quoted a senior British official summing up the situation in Washington this way: “Everyone wants to go to Baghdad . Real men want to go to Tehran.”

In sum, U.S. policy in the Middle East is confused, contradictory, counterproductive, and dangerous. It could leave Washington involved in a war with Iran. (And given our recent wars in the region, imagine where that’s likely to land us.)

The U.S. doesn’t require more enemies. Its hands are already full enough without additional faux “existential” threats or, as John Quincy Adams warned so long ago, eternally going “abroad seeking monsters to destroy.”

Oddly enough, the Trump administration has a unique opportunity to normalize relations with Iran. While President Obama’s modest overtures toward that country were greeted with scathing partisan scorn, President Trump might just be able to garner enough Republican support to do so much more, were he ever to try. At the moment, he clearly possesses no such plans, and yet, as only Nixon could go to China, perhaps only Trump can go to Tehran!

My small bit of advice, however: don’t hold your breath…

Major Danny Sjursen, a TomDispatch regular, is a U.S. Army strategist and former history instructor at West Point. He served tours with reconnaissance units in Iraq and Afghanistan. He has written a memoir and critical analysis of the Iraq War, Ghost Riders of Baghdad: Soldiers, Civilians, and the Myth of the Surge. He lives with his wife and four sons near Fort Leavenworth, Kansas.

[Note: The views expressed in this article are those of the author, expressed in an unofficial capacity, and do not reflect the official policy or position of the Department of the Army, Department of Defense, or the U.S. government.]

(Republished from TomDispatch by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. KA says:

    The inverse relationship that you mention is the kicker here . Once the citizen of a country comes to see America through the policies of America ,hatred doesn’t lag far behind to show up on the dinner table discussion.
    Is there any country in the world that holds favorable view of Amerrican government ?
    Yes ,there are plenty but those countries also happen to have an enemy next door which is despised or treated harshly by America .
    India has ,do has Ukraine. Montenegro ,and possibly Vietnam .

    Iran is not saint But so was never any country .

    Libyans and Syrians before the current turmoil had very favorable attitudes to the west and US.
    Iranian should learn from it .

    Question is can any country trust America ? Yes they love Hollywood and Microsoft and Facebook . But one way to look at this dichotomy is that American government doesn’t live up to the virtues inherent in those innovations .

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    I love neither Hollywood, nor Microsoft or Facebook.
    Hollywood is just USA propaganda, Microsoft is the best swindle ever, one can only escape through Linux, Facebook is a waste of time, and exhibitionism.

    I do not think there is anything wrong with USA citizens in general, all is wrong with USA society, no democracy, a moneycracy wasting USA resources in war without end.

    Maybe Trump sees how these wars ruin the USA, how Khazakstan is more and more becoming the economic centre of the world.
    There now operates the enormous train hub, connecting China by rail to Europe.

    The Berlin Baghdad railway is seen as the cause of WWI, let us hope that the China Europe railway will not cause WWIII.
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  2. Z-man says:

    It’s not hysteria it’s ‘controlled agitation’ by the Neocon Zionist Cabal that runs our foreign policy and not so bright generals like ‘slurpy dog’ Mattis.

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    You nailed it Z-man!
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  3. ANON says: • Disclaimer

    Correct : Israel considers Iran to be its #1 enemy. Therefore Iran must be the #1 enemy of the USA as well.

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    as long as Netanyahu is power people will die and he will manipulate the political system in US by coming to US Congress with bs aggrandising the fools in DC to do is satanic bidding before that, the enemy was Iraq, then Lybia, Syria... till subversion of 7 countries noted by Gen Leslie Clark are complete. US has become Israelis enforcer
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  4. In 1911 GB and Russia destroyed Iran democracy, in 1953 the USA did it again.
    In 1979, after the USA Vietnam disaster, Islam suceeded in liberating Iran from the USA puppet Shah.
    Then the USA brought Saddam to power, in order to subjugate Iran.
    Three million deaths, but Saddam failed to do what he should have done.
    On top of the that, the sorcerer’s apprentice had the idea he no longer was an apprentice, in 2000 he had the audacity to ask euro’s for Iraq oil.
    That, some say, was his death warrant.
    The USA engineered the ‘new Pearl Harbour’ Sept 11, war could begin.
    It is still going on.
    So when here a USA soldier complains about Iran, I just can laugh.
    The Bushmen burned some 2000 tons of uranium over Iraq, that for the next 5000 years will cause cancers and birth defects.

    W. Morgan Shuster, ´The strangling of Persia, Story of the European diplomacy and oriental intrigue that resulted in the denationalisation of twelve million Mohammedans’, New York, 1912

    Roy Mottahedeh, ‘The Mantle of the Prophet, Religion and Politics in Iran’, Oxford, 1985, 2000

    Alan Friedman, ‘Spider’s Web, Bush, Saddam, Thatcher and the Decade of Deceit’, London, 1993

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    • Replies: @Che Guava
    Great article, Danny, particularly given your perspective.

    For jilles,

    In 1911 GB and Russia destroyed Iran democracy, in 1953 the USA did it again.
    In 1979, after the USA Vietnam disaster, Islam suceeded in liberating Iran from the USA puppet Shah.
     
    You make a strange mix of comments.

    There was no democracy in Iran of 1911.

    Zoroastrians had a relatively better position, not just tolerated (as now), I would guess, but open about their faith.

    There were a few more Christians.

    There were many more Jews, but many left for economic reasons. To the USA, or to Israel where, even if not business-minded, they could live largely off the US taxpayer (try calculating the US subsidies and value of its gifts to Israel, then divide that by the population, it is almost a living wage per man, woman and child). Doubtless a few to join the Jewish Bolsheviks and have some fun destroying Orthodox churches and killing non-Jews, then a bit less fun when they started killing each other.

    As Major Danny says, the remnant Jewish population in Iran of now has few complaints.

    As for the revolution against the Shah, the persistent fighters before Khomeini's return were the Communist Party and weird offshoot Marxist groups like the Mujaheed al Khaq (I don't recall the correct spelling).

    The Shah was being overthrown, so many in the Shah's security forces decided they would prefer the relatively mild Islamism offered by Khomeini to the communists, so there was a coup d'etat against the revolution.

    Point is, it was *not* an Islamic revolution to start with, it was a revolution by a coalition of Communists, weirdo Marxists, and mild Islamists.

    Once big factions of the Shah's internal security and army decided that supporting Khomeini was their best choice, the situation was transformed.
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  5. @KA
    The inverse relationship that you mention is the kicker here . Once the citizen of a country comes to see America through the policies of America ,hatred doesn't lag far behind to show up on the dinner table discussion.
    Is there any country in the world that holds favorable view of Amerrican government ?
    Yes ,there are plenty but those countries also happen to have an enemy next door which is despised or treated harshly by America .
    India has ,do has Ukraine. Montenegro ,and possibly Vietnam .

    Iran is not saint But so was never any country .

    Libyans and Syrians before the current turmoil had very favorable attitudes to the west and US.
    Iranian should learn from it .

    Question is can any country trust America ? Yes they love Hollywood and Microsoft and Facebook . But one way to look at this dichotomy is that American government doesn't live up to the virtues inherent in those innovations .

    I love neither Hollywood, nor Microsoft or Facebook.
    Hollywood is just USA propaganda, Microsoft is the best swindle ever, one can only escape through Linux, Facebook is a waste of time, and exhibitionism.

    I do not think there is anything wrong with USA citizens in general, all is wrong with USA society, no democracy, a moneycracy wasting USA resources in war without end.

    Maybe Trump sees how these wars ruin the USA, how Khazakstan is more and more becoming the economic centre of the world.
    There now operates the enormous train hub, connecting China by rail to Europe.

    The Berlin Baghdad railway is seen as the cause of WWI, let us hope that the China Europe railway will not cause WWIII.

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  6. Randal says:

    Excellent stuff! A very unusually grownup and rational assessment of the situation, coming from any American.

    The piece correctly identifies a profound, and profoundly damaging, irrationality in US elite (and manufactured popular) opinion about Iran and its place in the ME and in US foreign policy. A lot can be learned from examining the origins of and the reasons for this irrationality, and the identities of those who act to promote and sustain it and how they achieve their propagandist goals.

    By and large, Iran’s enemies in the US are also the enemies of liberty, of sovereignty and of honesty in foreign policy: the likes of John McCain, as noted, and most of the bipartisan advocates of aggressive interventionist war-making, whether the R2P “humanitarian” types of the “left” or the America-uber-alles militarists of the “right”, along with the Israeli and Saudi dual loyalty or foreign loyalty types.

    However, lumping regionally focused nationalist organizations like Hezbollah [and Hamas] with genuine global jihadist groups like ISIS and al-Qaeda (in its proliferating forms) is deceptive, often purposely so.

    Gosh, who could it possibly be that has an interest in lying to promote this particular falsehood, and the media and political “influence” in US society to do so successfully?

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    • Replies: @for-the-record
    The piece correctly identifies a profound, and profoundly damaging, irrationality in US elite (and manufactured popular) opinion about Iran and its place in the ME and in US foreign policy.

    I would argue, in line with your final sentence, that this irrational "bug" is very much a rational "feature". Indeed, despite what many critics maintain, US foreign policy has been eminently successful in achieving its objectives (or at least the objectives of those who effectively set such policy).

    , @truthtellerAryan
    Who else. Ziocons and their stooges of course. For them, as long as it serves their interest, the "Goyim" can happily fulfill the mission, die a "hero", and spend $trillions defending "our freedom" and "our way of life" . And the masses are cheering with pride "don't mess with the USA". Not knowing those we killed were simple poor peasants celebrating a wedding, and still think the world is flat......
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  7. Randal says:

    The persistent and profound basic irrationality of much US elite and popular opinion on the topic of Iran has been an aspect of world affairs that I noted and wondered about a couple of decades ago or so, and I ultimately came to the conclusion that the best explanations for its existence and persistence were the toxic combination of:

    1. Undue political and media influence from Iran’s regional rivals, Israel and Saudi Arabia, whose interests the paranoid US fear and hatred of Iran clearly serve;

    2. Lingering soreness about the US getting some much-deserved payback from Iranians at the time of the hostage crisis, and on several occasions since, for decades of bloody interference in Iranian affairs;

    3. Simple outrage at the sight of a medium sized developing country daring not to breathlessly ask “how high, sir?”, when told to jump by Washington.

    2 & 3 mostly serve to provide ammunition for the liars and propagandists of 1 to work with.

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    • Replies: @animalogic
    This was a really great article: well argued, nuanced, rational. Unfortunately, none of that is a factor in US/Iran policy. Let's take this quote:
    "until Washington’s policymakers change their all-Iran-all-the-time mental model, they are doomed to failure."
    I would argue that "failure" is largely irrelevant to any Establishment policy in the US. Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria -- all arguably failures...but who cares ? How many have actually suffered career disadvantage from such failures ? (To Elites, the US is SO profoundly rich, that it just doesn't matter: Chuck another pallet load of hundred dollar bills on the fire: it's not like we, the Elites are paying for it)
    So it's crazy, unprofitable to maintain the Iran-universal-bogey-man policy ? Who cares ?
    1. US elites hate Iran: 1979. That's sufficient in itself.
    2. Saudi & Israel hate Iran: "snap !"
    3. Iran is an allied with Russia: case closed !
    4. Oh, & NO ONE in the US Elite thinks about this, but...Iran has a bit of oil wealth...Too cynical, I know.
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  8. Renoman says:

    Iran is just another CIA boogie man, what have they ever done to America – NOTHING! As where America has absolutely fucked the arse off them. It always amazes me that a Country as successful as America can have so many stupid gullible Citizens.

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    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
    Iran liberated itself from the USA puppet shah in 1979, and since then refused to accept the USA yoke again.
    This of course for the USA is unforgivable.

    For the same reason for decades the USA pretended that Taiwan, Formosa, was China.
    Nixon accepted reality.

    The problem now is, I hope, that Trump also sees reality, that Roosevelt's plan to rule the world with Smaller Britain, Stalin and Tsjang Kai Shek, just was megalomania, ruining the USA, causing great misery in large parts of this earth.

    CNN, Washpost and NYT still do not see reality.
    They did not watch BBCW this morning, Khazakhstan as railway hub between China, Russia and Europe.
    The USA, a backwater if it continues as Obama did.
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  9. As the recipient of Iranian-sponsored hostility in Beirut in 1983, I was not well disposed toward its regime for some time thereafter, but I got over it as time went on. I think I was well over it by the time the USS Vincennes shot down an Iranian airliner while, ostensibly, it may have been in Iranian waters, killing 290 civilians.

    It is not like we hadn’t been poking the Iranians for decades before the revolutionaries took our Embassy, and we certainly have been poking them ever since, so it is hard to begrudge them for opening a little Reagan-doctrine on our US asses when we stick our noses into their neighbors’ businesses while making loud noises about how we might come after them next.

    BTW, Iran and Syria … at least before we stuck our noses into it … both had large Jewish and Christian communities living relatively unmolested. Who of our allies in the ME can make the same claim?

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  10. mp says:

    In sum, U.S. policy in the Middle East is confused, contradictory, counterproductive, and dangerous.

    Confused? Not when you understand just who is “managing” US foreign policy, and to what end. Contradictory? Only when considering some official statements, but those are just throw away words meant for debate by the talking legs on the news channels, or things you read about in CIA conduits such as the Washington Post–things just mean to obfuscate. Counterproductive? Depends on one’s long-term goal. Dangerous. Certainly.

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  11. DanCT says:

    I was an f.o. with recon the last six months of my tour in Vietnam (1-6/70) and thankful that, while we were occasionally inserted into hot LZ’s in that time, once we were on the ground we were on our own and never trapped like sitting ducks for hours in a glorified SUV. My take is that this fellow ought to be blaming the Army and Pentagon and not Iran for setting him and his platoon up for the sort of inevitable ambush he describes.

    And another thing, too, which I don’t ever recall hearing back in the Vietnam era is this robotic “muh brothers, muh mission” stuff, where everyone in a uniform is a “hero” who should be “thanked for his service,” especially if he was one of the “boots on the ground.” I’ve been there and through it, I’ve had this one-sided militarism up to my eyeballs at this point, and see this business of glorifying our soldiers and demonizing the countries this country is Balkanizing for Israel as unAmerican brainwashing.

    Let’s not forget that back in the Vietnam era, at a time when our military wasn’t serving Israel, the father’s of today’s neocons were not only not serving up this militaristic jingoism, but calling the fathers of today’s soldiers “baby killers.”

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    Thank you for your valuable, compelling testimony. Please continue to witness, here and most especially elsewhere on the Internet where most people never even encounter "non-approved" facts.
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  12. Those EFPs and the requisite training to use them were provided to Iraqi militias by the Islamic Republic of Iran. ..

    Still, there’s one major problem with bold, sweeping pronouncements (laced with one’s own prejudices)

    There’s also a problem with stating unlikely scenarios (if not patent absurdities) as facts. What is your evidence that Iran provided EFPs and training to Iraqi militias?

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    stating unlikely scenarios (if not patent absurdities) as facts. What is your evidence that Iran provided EFPs and training to Iraqi militias?
     
    At the time, when the US occupiers in Iraq were making unproven allegations of Iranian support of militias (including providing the notorious EFPs) with the likely intent of justifying acts of aggression against Iran, or other actions aiding their illegal and immoral occupation of Iraq, it was both legitimate and sensible to require proof of any and all specific allegations. All the items alleged to have come from Iran (according to the US military and regime) could just as easily have come from elsewhere or been manufactured locally.

    However, when discussing the matter in general terms, it is not really credible to deny that many of the shia militias did get very substantial support (including military training and assistance, and most likely manufactured military hardware items such as the EFPs, or the designs and funding to manufacture them locally) from Iran. Iran would have been very foolish not to have done so. It was the clear intention of the US regime, if they had succeeded in imposing a compliant collaboration regime on Iraq, to attack Iran next.

    Though of course it was the sunni insurgents funded by the US's Gulf "allies" whom the American occupiers were fighting most of the time, and Iran certainly wasn't behind them.

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  13. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Mattis’ statement is easily trashed as simple-minded and delusional. So what’s the conclusion? That there are many who are in a position to influence policy are incompetent and downright stupid? Apparently that’s the case and breathtakingly so. Everyone seems to have this huge blind spot where they automatically accept that the US has the right to travel thousands of miles around the world to engage in warfare with whatever country they please yet a country right next door has no right to get involved. It’s strange to hear people whine about the Iranians getting involved in their own region by training militiamen or showing them how to build better explosive weapons, all of which is very basic low-tech stuff that could be shown on a DVD, whereas the Americans are using space-age jet fighters and tanks as well as the much touted SEAL soldiers. Want to trade weapons?
    Whether the Iranians have a wonderful democracy or are a horrible dictatorship is beside the point. They’re going to defend themselves and will get involved in all parts of the region to prevent becoming vulnerable and thus open to attack. They have the geography, size and human resources to do so and will do so. It’s arguable that they’re the natural hegemon of the region and that far-away outsiders like the US can only thwart that for a limited period of time.

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    Everyone seems to have this huge blind spot where they automatically accept that the US has the right to travel thousands of miles around the world to engage in warfare with whatever country they please
     
    Take of the day, Anonymous. And still, follow the money. It's all very simple: in every bomb dropped, profit. Every bullet, every plane, every gallon of fuel, handsome profit. That's the driver of it all. Unfortunately, the profit-centers are also the folks that know how to kill those that aren't "automatically accepting", especially politicians that don't hew to their line. Reporters? Forget about it, stout opposition in the press simply doesn't exist. For reference, consider the last two to say no to a bullshit war: Jack and Robert Kennedy. The profit centers have had a yes-man in the White House ever since and the formerly-dovish press is now the primary drum-beater for war, always. The public is compliant because with manufacturing shipped out of the country, there are now lots of "volunteers" to do the fighting and so there is no draft. Since the citizens of the press and academia have none of THEIR precious spawn in the fight, there is no outcry against it. War is wonderful theater if you and yours aren't part of the fun. Perfect scam, Don Corleone would be proud of them. My theory is they take our new Presidents up to Arlington to lay a wreath, point up to Custis-Lee Mansion where the eternal flame is and note just how much MORE space there is for another martyr. Face it, a President is trapped once in the White House.
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  14. I find it very interesting that one day the Iraqis are on the verge of making a nuclear weapon and the next day, according to the author, they are unable to make a shaped charge, technology that has been around at least since the Germans blasted their way into Fort Eben-Emael.

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  15. John T says:

    I disagree with Mr Sjursen’s premise that anti-Iran hysteria is irrational. It is perfectly rational from the perspective of the political class, particularly​ our craven Congress long ago called “Israeli-occupied territory” by Pat Buchanan. Moreover, it is perfectly rational for the Israel lobby and the entire Jewish influenced​ mainstream media and neoconservative infrastructure. And let us not forget that General Butler reminded​ us that war is a racket and the military-industrial complex benefits greatly.

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  16. Working Class Native Born White American Teenage Males who sign a US Army Military contract are signing their lives away to be used as canon fodder for the Jewish State of Israel wars af aggression in the Middle East…You will die a very painful pointless meaningless death in some Muslim hell-hole in the Middle East…It’s just not worth it…

    Something like 11 trillion of our tax dollars have been spent destroying the civilian populations of several Muslim Nations in the Middle East…Nations that pose 0 threat to America….

    These trillions could have been spent providing free college education and job training for all you White Teenage Males thinking of signing the US Army contract….and these trillions could have spent providing you with free college education and job training many many times over….think about it…

    Other young White Men sir in NCAA DIV 1 football stadiums yelling “WHAT A STUD” at the football players down on the field……while you lie dying on the ground in Afghanistan…your body cut in half by a rocket propelled grenade….screaming for your mother…minutes later your life slips away into the coldness of eternal death….for what?…Sadly…a pointless…meaningless death….

    WAR IS A RACKET!!!

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    I can do one better than that and *All Wars are Bankers Wars*!

    Mar 25, 2016 WAR IS A LIE - David Swanson in Asheville March 25, 2016

    https://youtu.be/5GVjKUXcHIc
    , @Pachyderm Pachyderma
    You forgot to mention the 'Sikh (actually, Sikhni) Whore', Nikki Haley at the UN doing the bidding for...

    But seriously, who profited the most from the 11 trillion (your estimate, not mine) spent in those wars? You have to do forensic analysis of who actually owns the stocks in those companies to find out who has gotten the dough...
    , @tjm
    Great comment, right on the mark in every way, thank you
    , @LJ

    Working Class Native Born White American Teenage Males who sign a US Army Military contract
     
    I am not sure why you single out white males: black, hispanic, or any other American males - native born or immigrant - who sign a contract with the US army fare exactly the same as the white males.


    ... in some Muslim hell-hole in the Middle East...
     
    Before the USA invations of many of these countries, they were anything but hellholes. Often their citizens had many benefits not available to most USAmericans - such as universal free healthcare and education, infrastucture and utilities subsidized by their governments who thus shared with their citzens the wealth from the (oil) resources of the countries.

    It was not only in Iran that muslims lived peaceably with Christians and other faiths, but also Iraq, Libya, and Syria. Prior to the US invations of these countries, Sunni and Shia also managed to live together with little violence. So if US soldiers end up in a "Muslim hell-hole in the Middle East", they can be certain it was NOT a hell-hole until they (the USA military) arrived on the scene.
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  17. Agent76 says:

    Once the Pentagon has the plan’s of the Bankster’s they never stop or halt with it in the Empire!

    December 24, 2013 The Worldwide Network of US Military Bases The Global Deployment of US Military Personnel

    The US Military has bases in *63* countries. Brand new military bases have been built since September 11, 2001 in seven countries. In total, there are 255,065 US military personnel deployed Worldwide. These facilities include a total of 845,441 different buildings and equipments.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-worldwide-network-of-us-military-bases/5564

    Sep 11, 2011 General Wesley Clark: Wars Were Planned – Seven Countries In Five Years

    “This is a memo that describes how we’re going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran.” I said, “Is it classified?” He said, “Yes, sir.” I said, “Well, don’t show it to me.” And I saw him a year or so ago, and I said, “You remember that?” He said, “Sir, I didn’t show you that memo! I didn’t show it to you!”

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    ...and, while they endebt the next two-hour generation's, here, with the REALLY danger to nation security, the greedy obsconders lassoed Healthcare and now that they've arranged to steal this money from the public, want to reduce coverage. More to the egregious MIIC and less to Americans at home. There's always a new area in the world or an old, unconquered one that is more important than the masses at home...always another chosen despot or regeigm that the CIA'S has fabricated and funded that threatens our way of life, while liberty and prosperity and other constitutional guarantees are slowly taken away here in the exceptional land of opportunity. We all see the elephant but no one sees the way to bring it down and remove it from the room, forever.
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  18. Agent76 says:

    Jan 3, 2017 Iranian Food Tour

    If Iranians are known for their special and unique hospitality, then we shouldn’t forget that food is always part of that experience!

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  19. Randal says:
    @jacques sheete

    Those EFPs and the requisite training to use them were provided to Iraqi militias by the Islamic Republic of Iran. ..

    Still, there’s one major problem with bold, sweeping pronouncements (laced with one’s own prejudices)
     

    There's also a problem with stating unlikely scenarios (if not patent absurdities) as facts. What is your evidence that Iran provided EFPs and training to Iraqi militias?

    stating unlikely scenarios (if not patent absurdities) as facts. What is your evidence that Iran provided EFPs and training to Iraqi militias?

    At the time, when the US occupiers in Iraq were making unproven allegations of Iranian support of militias (including providing the notorious EFPs) with the likely intent of justifying acts of aggression against Iran, or other actions aiding their illegal and immoral occupation of Iraq, it was both legitimate and sensible to require proof of any and all specific allegations. All the items alleged to have come from Iran (according to the US military and regime) could just as easily have come from elsewhere or been manufactured locally.

    However, when discussing the matter in general terms, it is not really credible to deny that many of the shia militias did get very substantial support (including military training and assistance, and most likely manufactured military hardware items such as the EFPs, or the designs and funding to manufacture them locally) from Iran. Iran would have been very foolish not to have done so. It was the clear intention of the US regime, if they had succeeded in imposing a compliant collaboration regime on Iraq, to attack Iran next.

    Though of course it was the sunni insurgents funded by the US’s Gulf “allies” whom the American occupiers were fighting most of the time, and Iran certainly wasn’t behind them.

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  20. Agent76 says:
    @War for Blair Mountain
    Working Class Native Born White American Teenage Males who sign a US Army Military contract are signing their lives away to be used as canon fodder for the Jewish State of Israel wars af aggression in the Middle East...You will die a very painful pointless meaningless death in some Muslim hell-hole in the Middle East...It's just not worth it...


    Something like 11 trillion of our tax dollars have been spent destroying the civilian populations of several Muslim Nations in the Middle East...Nations that pose 0 threat to America....


    These trillions could have been spent providing free college education and job training for all you White Teenage Males thinking of signing the US Army contract....and these trillions could have spent providing you with free college education and job training many many times over....think about it...


    Other young White Men sir in NCAA DIV 1 football stadiums yelling "WHAT A STUD" at the football players down on the field......while you lie dying on the ground in Afghanistan...your body cut in half by a rocket propelled grenade....screaming for your mother...minutes later your life slips away into the coldness of eternal death....for what?...Sadly...a pointless...meaningless death....



    WAR IS A RACKET!!!

    I can do one better than that and *All Wars are Bankers Wars*!

    Mar 25, 2016 WAR IS A LIE – David Swanson in Asheville March 25, 2016

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    Perpetual War was the plan and still is the plan of those with the purse-strings: 1938...the Rockefeller-paid thinkers were making designs for total global American hegemon employed Yale's Spykman who put it, that wars enabled the conquering and subjugating of new markets, and that what the world called ‘peace’ was but a ‘temporary armistice’ or ceasefire in the continual war process, until prospects for looting a given area had reached relative limits and a new war of conquest became necessary.
    F. William Engdahl, The Gods of Money, 2009
    This has prevailed through the decades and answers the question: Why are we always at war?
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  21. @War for Blair Mountain
    Working Class Native Born White American Teenage Males who sign a US Army Military contract are signing their lives away to be used as canon fodder for the Jewish State of Israel wars af aggression in the Middle East...You will die a very painful pointless meaningless death in some Muslim hell-hole in the Middle East...It's just not worth it...


    Something like 11 trillion of our tax dollars have been spent destroying the civilian populations of several Muslim Nations in the Middle East...Nations that pose 0 threat to America....


    These trillions could have been spent providing free college education and job training for all you White Teenage Males thinking of signing the US Army contract....and these trillions could have spent providing you with free college education and job training many many times over....think about it...


    Other young White Men sir in NCAA DIV 1 football stadiums yelling "WHAT A STUD" at the football players down on the field......while you lie dying on the ground in Afghanistan...your body cut in half by a rocket propelled grenade....screaming for your mother...minutes later your life slips away into the coldness of eternal death....for what?...Sadly...a pointless...meaningless death....



    WAR IS A RACKET!!!

    You forgot to mention the ‘Sikh (actually, Sikhni) Whore’, Nikki Haley at the UN doing the bidding for…

    But seriously, who profited the most from the 11 trillion (your estimate, not mine) spent in those wars? You have to do forensic analysis of who actually owns the stocks in those companies to find out who has gotten the dough…

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    You forgot to mention the ‘Sikh (actually, Sikhni) Whore’, Nikki Haley at the UN doing the bidding for…
     
    Thank you for mentioning that Neo'conned' skank.
    , @Kul
    Why touch on religion or cultural identity of a person. Not good person. Write in general be independent in your view without prejudice. Otherwise you will be judged as an arsehole writer, understand
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  22. @Renoman
    Iran is just another CIA boogie man, what have they ever done to America - NOTHING! As where America has absolutely fucked the arse off them. It always amazes me that a Country as successful as America can have so many stupid gullible Citizens.

    Iran liberated itself from the USA puppet shah in 1979, and since then refused to accept the USA yoke again.
    This of course for the USA is unforgivable.

    For the same reason for decades the USA pretended that Taiwan, Formosa, was China.
    Nixon accepted reality.

    The problem now is, I hope, that Trump also sees reality, that Roosevelt’s plan to rule the world with Smaller Britain, Stalin and Tsjang Kai Shek, just was megalomania, ruining the USA, causing great misery in large parts of this earth.

    CNN, Washpost and NYT still do not see reality.
    They did not watch BBCW this morning, Khazakhstan as railway hub between China, Russia and Europe.
    The USA, a backwater if it continues as Obama did.

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    What a beautiful prospect: the USA as backwater, still with elements of its natural beauty, still safe from armed invasion and even exporting half of its least employable 100 million to jobs on the new silk road...
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  23. @Randal
    The persistent and profound basic irrationality of much US elite and popular opinion on the topic of Iran has been an aspect of world affairs that I noted and wondered about a couple of decades ago or so, and I ultimately came to the conclusion that the best explanations for its existence and persistence were the toxic combination of:

    1. Undue political and media influence from Iran's regional rivals, Israel and Saudi Arabia, whose interests the paranoid US fear and hatred of Iran clearly serve;

    2. Lingering soreness about the US getting some much-deserved payback from Iranians at the time of the hostage crisis, and on several occasions since, for decades of bloody interference in Iranian affairs;

    3. Simple outrage at the sight of a medium sized developing country daring not to breathlessly ask "how high, sir?", when told to jump by Washington.

    2 & 3 mostly serve to provide ammunition for the liars and propagandists of 1 to work with.

    This was a really great article: well argued, nuanced, rational. Unfortunately, none of that is a factor in US/Iran policy. Let’s take this quote:
    “until Washington’s policymakers change their all-Iran-all-the-time mental model, they are doomed to failure.”
    I would argue that “failure” is largely irrelevant to any Establishment policy in the US. Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria — all arguably failures…but who cares ? How many have actually suffered career disadvantage from such failures ? (To Elites, the US is SO profoundly rich, that it just doesn’t matter: Chuck another pallet load of hundred dollar bills on the fire: it’s not like we, the Elites are paying for it)
    So it’s crazy, unprofitable to maintain the Iran-universal-bogey-man policy ? Who cares ?
    1. US elites hate Iran: 1979. That’s sufficient in itself.
    2. Saudi & Israel hate Iran: “snap !”
    3. Iran is an allied with Russia: case closed !
    4. Oh, & NO ONE in the US Elite thinks about this, but…Iran has a bit of oil wealth…Too cynical, I know.

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    I would argue that “failure” is largely irrelevant to any Establishment policy in the US. Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria — all arguably failures…but who cares ? How many have actually suffered career disadvantage from such failures ? (To Elites, the US is SO profoundly rich, that it just doesn’t matter: Chuck another pallet load of hundred dollar bills on the fire: it’s not like we, the Elites are paying for it)
     
    Indeed. A result that is a bloody, costly, disastrous failure for one group (such as the American nation collectively) might well be a "no big deal" for another group (the self-serving US elites you mention) and even a heart-warming success for another (the Israel/Saudi partisans and suchlike). All at the same time.
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  24. TRex says:

    No country snubs the US and gets away with it!

    Cuba tried and has paid the penalty for 40 years.

    Iran tried and succeeded and the US has never forgotten.

    You don’t insult the Mafia and get away with it.

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    Cuba tried and has paid the penalty for 40 years.
     
    The price Cuba paid was indeed steep :

    No CIA trained and sponsored death sqads killing thousands of its citizens (as has happened in most other Central American countries.

    A fairly high standard of living for all its citizens, with a fairly egalitarian distribution of wealth - one of the most outstanding features visiting Cuba in contrast to other countries in the area was the lack of spawling destitute slums and bands of child beggars!

    A country that has one of the most balanced ecological footprints on earth, while still having high standards of medical care and education.

    Such a price!
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  25. Z-man says:
    @Pachyderm Pachyderma
    You forgot to mention the 'Sikh (actually, Sikhni) Whore', Nikki Haley at the UN doing the bidding for...

    But seriously, who profited the most from the 11 trillion (your estimate, not mine) spent in those wars? You have to do forensic analysis of who actually owns the stocks in those companies to find out who has gotten the dough...

    You forgot to mention the ‘Sikh (actually, Sikhni) Whore’, Nikki Haley at the UN doing the bidding for…

    Thank you for mentioning that Neo’conned’ skank.

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  26. It didn’t end well for 19 year for USMC Sgt. Michael Eposito….and it didn’t end well for US Army Combat Engineer 19 year old Casey Sheehan…..

    Several years ago…. I went to the Book Review in Huntington LI to hear Cindy Sheehan give a talk about her new book about her late son 19 year Casey Sheehan killed in action in Iraq in the second week of his tour of duty in Iraq. I went hear Cindy Sheehan’s talk a month after I went to hear Monty Python’s Terry Jones give a lecture about his new book:”Who murdered Chaucer”…

    As I was waiting for Cindy for Cindy Sheehan to make her appearance…I met Sgt Michael Esposito’s working class Parents who had come to listen to Cindy Sheehan speak at the Book Review Huntington…down the road close to Mr. and Mrs Derbyshire’s home…

    Well….. Michael Esposito’s Parents weren’t exactly comming to hear Cindy Sheehan to speak…

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    The late USMC Sgt Michael Esposito's parents came to the Book Review to ambush and massacre fellow Gold Star Mother Cindy Sheehan...this was apparent in the discussion I had with them as we were waiting for Cindy Sheehan to make her appearance at the Book Review....


    Sgt Esposito's Mother came across as violent psychotic in a rage state...tanked up on adrenaline...


    After showing me a photo a large photo of her son Michael in his USMC dress uniform...she went on a foul mouthed tear on Cindy Sheehan:"Cindy Sheehan is a GD fucking TRAITOR who insults the memory of my son Michael who died protecting our FREEDOM...and protecting us from Afghani drug lords who grow poppy...Cindy Sheehan stabs Gold Star Mothers like myself and our families in the back...when Cindy Sheehan starts speaking....I am going to stand up and hold this photo of my son Michael in his Marine dress uniform and call her a GD TRAITOR!!!
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  27. DES says:

    Excellent points. For a more detailed analysis, I recommend “Manufactured Crisis – The Untold Story of the Iran Nuclear Scare,” by Gareth Porter.

    Interesting factoid: A 2007 National Intelligence Estimate concluded with “high confidence” that Iran’s nuclear weapons program had been halted in the fall of 2003 and with “moderate confidence” that it had not been restarted as of mid-2007. I am not aware that this estimate has been revised or updated.

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    Interesting factoid: A 2007 National Intelligence Estimate concluded with “high confidence” that Iran’s nuclear weapons program had been halted in the fall of 2003 and with “moderate confidence” that it had not been restarted as of mid-2007. I am not aware that this estimate has been revised or updated.
     
    The estimate was reaffirmed in 2011.
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  28. @War for Blair Mountain
    It didn't end well for 19 year for USMC Sgt. Michael Eposito....and it didn't end well for US Army Combat Engineer 19 year old Casey Sheehan.....

    Several years ago.... I went to the Book Review in Huntington LI to hear Cindy Sheehan give a talk about her new book about her late son 19 year Casey Sheehan killed in action in Iraq in the second week of his tour of duty in Iraq. I went hear Cindy Sheehan's talk a month after I went to hear Monty Python's Terry Jones give a lecture about his new book:"Who murdered Chaucer"...



    As I was waiting for Cindy for Cindy Sheehan to make her appearance...I met Sgt Michael Esposito's working class Parents who had come to listen to Cindy Sheehan speak at the Book Review Huntington...down the road close to Mr. and Mrs Derbyshire's home...



    Well..... Michael Esposito's Parents weren't exactly comming to hear Cindy Sheehan to speak...

    The late USMC Sgt Michael Esposito’s parents came to the Book Review to ambush and massacre fellow Gold Star Mother Cindy Sheehan…this was apparent in the discussion I had with them as we were waiting for Cindy Sheehan to make her appearance at the Book Review….

    Sgt Esposito’s Mother came across as violent psychotic in a rage state…tanked up on adrenaline…

    After showing me a photo a large photo of her son Michael in his USMC dress uniform…she went on a foul mouthed tear on Cindy Sheehan:”Cindy Sheehan is a GD fucking TRAITOR who insults the memory of my son Michael who died protecting our FREEDOM…and protecting us from Afghani drug lords who grow poppy…Cindy Sheehan stabs Gold Star Mothers like myself and our families in the back…when Cindy Sheehan starts speaking….I am going to stand up and hold this photo of my son Michael in his Marine dress uniform and call her a GD TRAITOR!!!

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    Cindy Sheehan finally arrives at the Book Review.....I take seat behind the late Sgt Esposito's parents....


    Cindy Sheehan starts speaking about her son Casey...she said she made it clear to him that she was opposed to him signing the US Army Contract...he went and did it anyway...


    Then she said Casey went off to US Army boot camp.....then sent off to be trained as US Army Combat Engineer....Eventually Casey Sheehan was sent to Iraq as a Combat Engineer....

    During the second week of his tour of duty in Iraq....Casey Sheehan stepped on a IED and his head was blown off.....according to Cindy Sheehan who had a closed coffin funeral for Casey after his remains were shipped back to America.....



    Then Cindy Sheehan went to give her reasons for opposing a US Military Occupation of Afghanistan and Iraq...she went through the lies of The Bush Administration...
    , @anon
    the ISIS soldier dies and goes to heaven. GOLD STAR MOTHERS get the taste of heaven or more precisely are asked to taste the heaven where the angels come from Hollywood, high priest descend from White House and the media pays gratitude to the Mothers for the successful new army recruits from the high school of the devastated empty land . They have seen how life could be so fulfilling and meaningful in the White House meetings.
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  29. tjm says:

    Iran shows the power of the Jewish control over America…

    Hate of Iran is what the “tribe” has overtly pushed for, but to be sure there is much much more they have slipped into our consciousness we are not so aware of.

    Certainly the hate of Muslims in general (while conversely using their media to demonize anyone who questions Muslims migration, and of course always omitting the reality that Zionist wars in the Middle East are causing much of that migration…of course all part of their plan), hate for Russia?Putin, American society, Jesus Christ, White Men, White boys…

    The control of American society began years ago, mid 20th century, and has gotten progressively worse.

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  30. tjm says:
    @War for Blair Mountain
    Working Class Native Born White American Teenage Males who sign a US Army Military contract are signing their lives away to be used as canon fodder for the Jewish State of Israel wars af aggression in the Middle East...You will die a very painful pointless meaningless death in some Muslim hell-hole in the Middle East...It's just not worth it...


    Something like 11 trillion of our tax dollars have been spent destroying the civilian populations of several Muslim Nations in the Middle East...Nations that pose 0 threat to America....


    These trillions could have been spent providing free college education and job training for all you White Teenage Males thinking of signing the US Army contract....and these trillions could have spent providing you with free college education and job training many many times over....think about it...


    Other young White Men sir in NCAA DIV 1 football stadiums yelling "WHAT A STUD" at the football players down on the field......while you lie dying on the ground in Afghanistan...your body cut in half by a rocket propelled grenade....screaming for your mother...minutes later your life slips away into the coldness of eternal death....for what?...Sadly...a pointless...meaningless death....



    WAR IS A RACKET!!!

    Great comment, right on the mark in every way, thank you

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  31. @War for Blair Mountain
    The late USMC Sgt Michael Esposito's parents came to the Book Review to ambush and massacre fellow Gold Star Mother Cindy Sheehan...this was apparent in the discussion I had with them as we were waiting for Cindy Sheehan to make her appearance at the Book Review....


    Sgt Esposito's Mother came across as violent psychotic in a rage state...tanked up on adrenaline...


    After showing me a photo a large photo of her son Michael in his USMC dress uniform...she went on a foul mouthed tear on Cindy Sheehan:"Cindy Sheehan is a GD fucking TRAITOR who insults the memory of my son Michael who died protecting our FREEDOM...and protecting us from Afghani drug lords who grow poppy...Cindy Sheehan stabs Gold Star Mothers like myself and our families in the back...when Cindy Sheehan starts speaking....I am going to stand up and hold this photo of my son Michael in his Marine dress uniform and call her a GD TRAITOR!!!

    Cindy Sheehan finally arrives at the Book Review…..I take seat behind the late Sgt Esposito’s parents….

    Cindy Sheehan starts speaking about her son Casey…she said she made it clear to him that she was opposed to him signing the US Army Contract…he went and did it anyway…

    Then she said Casey went off to US Army boot camp…..then sent off to be trained as US Army Combat Engineer….Eventually Casey Sheehan was sent to Iraq as a Combat Engineer….

    During the second week of his tour of duty in Iraq….Casey Sheehan stepped on a IED and his head was blown off…..according to Cindy Sheehan who had a closed coffin funeral for Casey after his remains were shipped back to America…..

    Then Cindy Sheehan went to give her reasons for opposing a US Military Occupation of Afghanistan and Iraq…she went through the lies of The Bush Administration…

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    All of a sudden...the late Sgt Esposito's Mother leaps our of her chair thrusting out her arm with her photo of her son Michael in his USMC dress uniform...screaming and denouncing Cindy Sheehan "You are a GD TRAITOR...young men such as my son were sent to Afghanistan to protect everyone's FREEDOM IN AMERICA!!!!...how dare you critize our policy in Afghanistan and Iraq...these young men are protecting American children from Afghani War Lord poppy growers....you are stabbing all Gold Star Mothers on the back and their FAMILIES!!...YOU GD TRAITOR!!
    , @MEexpert

    Then Cindy Sheehan went to give her reasons for opposing a US Military Occupation of Afghanistan and Iraq…she went through the lies of The Bush Administration…
     
    Cindy Sheehan was a hypocrite. She was all over George W. Bush for the Iraq war after her son died but was never heard from when Obama became president. I guess she used up all her anti-war hormones against Bush.
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  32. @War for Blair Mountain
    Cindy Sheehan finally arrives at the Book Review.....I take seat behind the late Sgt Esposito's parents....


    Cindy Sheehan starts speaking about her son Casey...she said she made it clear to him that she was opposed to him signing the US Army Contract...he went and did it anyway...


    Then she said Casey went off to US Army boot camp.....then sent off to be trained as US Army Combat Engineer....Eventually Casey Sheehan was sent to Iraq as a Combat Engineer....

    During the second week of his tour of duty in Iraq....Casey Sheehan stepped on a IED and his head was blown off.....according to Cindy Sheehan who had a closed coffin funeral for Casey after his remains were shipped back to America.....



    Then Cindy Sheehan went to give her reasons for opposing a US Military Occupation of Afghanistan and Iraq...she went through the lies of The Bush Administration...

    All of a sudden…the late Sgt Esposito’s Mother leaps our of her chair thrusting out her arm with her photo of her son Michael in his USMC dress uniform…screaming and denouncing Cindy Sheehan “You are a GD TRAITOR…young men such as my son were sent to Afghanistan to protect everyone’s FREEDOM IN AMERICA!!!!…how dare you critize our policy in Afghanistan and Iraq…these young men are protecting American children from Afghani War Lord poppy growers….you are stabbing all Gold Star Mothers on the back and their FAMILIES!!…YOU GD TRAITOR!!

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  33. Che Guava says:
    @jilles dykstra
    In 1911 GB and Russia destroyed Iran democracy, in 1953 the USA did it again.
    In 1979, after the USA Vietnam disaster, Islam suceeded in liberating Iran from the USA puppet Shah.
    Then the USA brought Saddam to power, in order to subjugate Iran.
    Three million deaths, but Saddam failed to do what he should have done.
    On top of the that, the sorcerer's apprentice had the idea he no longer was an apprentice, in 2000 he had the audacity to ask euro's for Iraq oil.
    That, some say, was his death warrant.
    The USA engineered the 'new Pearl Harbour' Sept 11, war could begin.
    It is still going on.
    So when here a USA soldier complains about Iran, I just can laugh.
    The Bushmen burned some 2000 tons of uranium over Iraq, that for the next 5000 years will cause cancers and birth defects.

    W. Morgan Shuster, ´The strangling of Persia, Story of the European diplomacy and oriental intrigue that resulted in the denationalisation of twelve million Mohammedans’, New York, 1912

    Roy Mottahedeh, ‘The Mantle of the Prophet, Religion and Politics in Iran’, Oxford, 1985, 2000

    Alan Friedman, ‘Spider’s Web, Bush, Saddam, Thatcher and the Decade of Deceit’, London, 1993

    Great article, Danny, particularly given your perspective.

    For jilles,

    In 1911 GB and Russia destroyed Iran democracy, in 1953 the USA did it again.
    In 1979, after the USA Vietnam disaster, Islam suceeded in liberating Iran from the USA puppet Shah.

    You make a strange mix of comments.

    There was no democracy in Iran of 1911.

    Zoroastrians had a relatively better position, not just tolerated (as now), I would guess, but open about their faith.

    There were a few more Christians.

    There were many more Jews, but many left for economic reasons. To the USA, or to Israel where, even if not business-minded, they could live largely off the US taxpayer (try calculating the US subsidies and value of its gifts to Israel, then divide that by the population, it is almost a living wage per man, woman and child). Doubtless a few to join the Jewish Bolsheviks and have some fun destroying Orthodox churches and killing non-Jews, then a bit less fun when they started killing each other.

    As Major Danny says, the remnant Jewish population in Iran of now has few complaints.

    As for the revolution against the Shah, the persistent fighters before Khomeini’s return were the Communist Party and weird offshoot Marxist groups like the Mujaheed al Khaq (I don’t recall the correct spelling).

    The Shah was being overthrown, so many in the Shah’s security forces decided they would prefer the relatively mild Islamism offered by Khomeini to the communists, so there was a coup d’etat against the revolution.

    Point is, it was *not* an Islamic revolution to start with, it was a revolution by a coalition of Communists, weirdo Marxists, and mild Islamists.

    Once big factions of the Shah’s internal security and army decided that supporting Khomeini was their best choice, the situation was transformed.

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    Really weird, I specify the book, written by a USA citizen on Iranian democracy in 1911, and then someone asserts out of the blue that this democracy did not exist.
    There must be something fundamentally very wrong with USA education.
    Even more wrong than
    Christopher Lasch, 'The Culture of Narcissism, American Life in an Age of Diminishing Expectations', 1979, 1980, London
    describes.
    Truth does not matter in the USA, it began with Nixon, as Lasch explains.
    , @MEexpert

    Point is, it was *not* an Islamic revolution to start with, it was a revolution by a coalition of Communists, weirdo Marxists, and mild Islamists.
     
    You haven't got the foggiest idea what you are talking about.
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  34. @Randal
    Excellent stuff! A very unusually grownup and rational assessment of the situation, coming from any American.

    The piece correctly identifies a profound, and profoundly damaging, irrationality in US elite (and manufactured popular) opinion about Iran and its place in the ME and in US foreign policy. A lot can be learned from examining the origins of and the reasons for this irrationality, and the identities of those who act to promote and sustain it and how they achieve their propagandist goals.

    By and large, Iran's enemies in the US are also the enemies of liberty, of sovereignty and of honesty in foreign policy: the likes of John McCain, as noted, and most of the bipartisan advocates of aggressive interventionist war-making, whether the R2P "humanitarian" types of the "left" or the America-uber-alles militarists of the "right", along with the Israeli and Saudi dual loyalty or foreign loyalty types.

    However, lumping regionally focused nationalist organizations like Hezbollah [and Hamas] with genuine global jihadist groups like ISIS and al-Qaeda (in its proliferating forms) is deceptive, often purposely so.
     
    Gosh, who could it possibly be that has an interest in lying to promote this particular falsehood, and the media and political "influence" in US society to do so successfully?

    The piece correctly identifies a profound, and profoundly damaging, irrationality in US elite (and manufactured popular) opinion about Iran and its place in the ME and in US foreign policy.

    I would argue, in line with your final sentence, that this irrational “bug” is very much a rational “feature”. Indeed, despite what many critics maintain, US foreign policy has been eminently successful in achieving its objectives (or at least the objectives of those who effectively set such policy).

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    I would argue, in line with your final sentence, that this irrational “bug” is very much a rational “feature”.
     
    Not going to disagree with you on that point, of course.

    The claims made about Iran (seeking nuclear weapons with aggressive intent, being likely to "dominate the region", being a threat to the US itself or even to legitimate US interests, etc) are mostly literally irrational in that they are untrue and illogical, relying upon simple falsehoods and distortions of reality.

    But it is certainly arguably rational for those with personal loyalties to Israel or to Saudi Arabia etc, or to other enemies or rivals of Iran, or for those with personal selfish interests in promoting confrontation and war (military industrial types, bought and paid for politicians, etc) to try to persuade Americans in general, and especially American politicians and media/opinion leaders, that these irrationalities are in fact honest descriptions of reality.

    That's why I noted that it is very informative, for the many who are not aware of the true situation, to examine how and by whom this false view of the world is disseminated and imposed on Americans in particular.

    Indeed, despite what many critics maintain, US foreign policy has been eminently successful in achieving its objectives (or at least the objectives of those who effectively set such policy)
     
    Again, absolutely agree.

    As a matter of definitional reality, government policy is not of course set in the interests of the nation, but in the interests of those with the power to influence government policy. All the more reason to regard dual and external loyalties as uniquely poisonous in such groups and individuals.
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  35. Then Cindy Sheehan interrupts Michael Esposito’s raging mother…”Who the hell do you think you are…I’m a Gold Star Mother also, and I have earned the right to criticize the US Military occupation of Afghanistan and Iraq….my son Casey was killed in action in Iraq…as far as I can tell..for no good reason….W Bush and his father are WAR CRIMINALS!!…now shut the fuck up you jackass!!!….and sit down…”

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    It gets even more interesting.....


    After Cindy Sheehan had her shoot-out with Sgt Michael Esposito's Mother........


    A man sitting in the outside row of chairs stood up and looked at Sgt Michael Eposito's Mother...."Oh shut the fuck up you crazy war mongerer bitch....I am a Vietnam War Veteran and I have no fucking patience for crazy fucks such as you and your husband...I was 19 years USMC doing a tour of duty in Vietnam..I was in several fire fights in Vietnam and was wounded and dam near killed in action.....when I got back to the US...I became part of the Anti-War movement.....and I have been an anti-war activist ever since....your son died a pointless..... MEANIGLESS death in Afghanistan......WAR IS A FUCKING RACKET LADY.."



    There wasn't a peep out of Sgt Michael Esposito's Gold Star Mother for the rest of Cindy Sheehan's talk and book signing.........
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  36. @War for Blair Mountain
    Then Cindy Sheehan interrupts Michael Esposito's raging mother..."Who the hell do you think you are...I'm a Gold Star Mother also, and I have earned the right to criticize the US Military occupation of Afghanistan and Iraq....my son Casey was killed in action in Iraq...as far as I can tell..for no good reason....W Bush and his father are WAR CRIMINALS!!...now shut the fuck up you jackass!!!....and sit down..."

    It gets even more interesting…..

    After Cindy Sheehan had her shoot-out with Sgt Michael Esposito’s Mother……..

    A man sitting in the outside row of chairs stood up and looked at Sgt Michael Eposito’s Mother….”Oh shut the fuck up you crazy war mongerer bitch….I am a Vietnam War Veteran and I have no fucking patience for crazy fucks such as you and your husband…I was 19 years USMC doing a tour of duty in Vietnam..I was in several fire fights in Vietnam and was wounded and dam near killed in action…..when I got back to the US…I became part of the Anti-War movement…..and I have been an anti-war activist ever since….your son died a pointless….. MEANIGLESS death in Afghanistan……WAR IS A FUCKING RACKET LADY..”

    There wasn’t a peep out of Sgt Michael Esposito’s Gold Star Mother for the rest of Cindy Sheehan’s talk and book signing………

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    It didn't end well for 19 year old USMC Sgt Michael Esposito.....


    As you drive past exit 57 on the Long Island Expressay going east or west....


    turn off the short fat bastard pig loaded with million of $$$$$$$$...and loaded with globs of disgusting disgusting celluilite bulging through his thick brown coudroy pants.........afflicted with gout no doubt....The WFAN's resident superstars CHICKENHAWK-HAWK fat bastard Mike Francessa....look up towards the right..and you see how it all ended for 19 year old Long Island Working Class kid Michael Eposito.... take a quick look at the green with white letters Memorial for Michael Eposito:SEARGEANT MICHAEL ESPOSITO MEMORIAL....

    Thousands and thousnds of Americans zip by Sgt Michael Esposito's memorial everyweek on the wasteland known as the Long Island Expressway...


    Of this I have no doubt:No one-pays attention nor looks at Michael Eposito's Memorial at exit 57 on the Long Island Expressway...maybe a few people...I do every time a pass Michael Esposito's Memorial...and it's all a terribly said experience.....I just shake my head every time...


    Everyone else in their cars on the Long Island Expressway tuned into WFAN'S resident celluilite afflicted fat bastard...Mike Francessa...to listen to his picks for NCAA Final Four Bracket...


    Like 19 year Working Class Teenager Casey Sheehan...19 year Teenager Michael Esposito died a meaningless...pointless death for Donald Trump's Greater Israel and the Military Industrial Complex.....no one will ever remember the fact that they were live breathing Working Class Teenagers in post-rotting Corpse "MUH AMURRICA!

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  37. Ernul says:

    Excuses, excuses, excuses by the author for the poor Iranians. When someone attacks YOUR family, friends or loved ones, what do you do? “Head in the ground” it sound like. WHO cares why they do it. Simply make them STOP and punish them for the attacks. After justice is served, only then do the bleeding hearts get to ask them WHY? “EARTH TO THE AUTHOR”, we tried it their way without result so now the bleeding hearts want to give the Iranians the benefit of doubt using our children and money all over again! Send your child to fight and should he/she come back in a body bag, blame yourself. ., because we’ve hear and tried it your way. (DUH)

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    You go get 'em, Ernul.
    Go get those mfer Eyeranians who flew decrepit 35 year old Boeings 7000 miles to the North American continent, dropped chemical weapons and DPU all over YOUR family, friends, or loved ones.
    Go get 'em and Make them Stop! Punish 'em good; deliver justice to every single Eyeranian that invaded USA and shot up an American town.

    The Golden Rule being what it is -- surely someone as intent on punishment and justice believes in the Golden Rule -- is it fair to assume you will be among those who demand that the people who
    -- assisted Saddam in dropping chemicals on Iranian civilians;
    -- caused the deaths of Iranian children, elderly and sick, who were not able to obtain the nutrition or medicine they needed because of US-imposed sanctions;
    -- assassinated Iranian scientists in their own cities ---

    will you demand that THOSE people be STOPPED, punished, and brought to justice?

    By the way -- did you finish fourth grade? Study any geography? Learn where the borders of USA are and where the boundaries of Iran are? How many miles of border does USA share with Iran?
    How many military bases does Iran have in or around USA? How many military bases does USA have around Iran?
    , @Avery
     In 1953 US and UK launched operation Ajax, the overthrow of democratically elected Iranian president Mosaddegh.
    The CIA trained SAVAK, secret police of the US-installed Shah, terrorized the people of Iran for the next three decades or so. The reason Mosaddegh was overthrown and murdered was because he was going to nationalize Iranian oil. Iranians had had enough of US and UK looting their national wealth.


     In 1988 goaded and encouraged by US, Iraq's Saddam invaded Iran.
    US fully supported Iraq via satellite and other intelligence.
    US and UK also had previously supplied Iraq with chemical weapons, which Saddam used liberally against Iranians.
    Short of everything, Iranians fought like lions against the invaders.
    Because of Western embargoes, Iranians lacked all sorts of military hardware.
    With no mine clearing equipment, patriotic Iranian teenagers cleared landmines with their own lives, so that valuable experienced troops could be saved to fight the invaders.
    About 1 million Iranians were killed in the 8 year war.

     In 1988, USS Vincennes operating near or in Iranian territorial waters shot down Iran Air 655.
    Ostensibly by mistake.
    All 290 people on board, including children, were killed.
    The commander of Vincenens was award a medal by POTUS: for killing Iranian civilians.

     In 2016 two US navy patrol boats, which supposedly had equipment failure, were captured by Iranians _inside_ their territorial waters.
    After the sailors were fed and treated by Iranians as guests, they were released.

     US Navy has a large and aggressive presence in the Persian Gulf, where it routinely creates 'incidents' with Iranian navy. The idea being to try to create a ‘Maddox incident’ so USAF can start carpet bombing Iranian cities.
    btw: No Iranian warships are operating in the Gulf of Mexico as of May 2017.
    btw2: distance from Gulf of Mexico to Persian Gulf ~7,000 miles. DUH.

    , @truthtellerAryan
    Do you have a clue on what you're thinking and typing for all to read your idiocy? Maybe you should go back to your mama and start suckling again until you're ready for kindergarten. Finish your pre-school and head out to a kibutz...or wherever Zionists like you hideout......
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  38. ANON says: • Disclaimer
    @jilles dykstra
    Iran liberated itself from the USA puppet shah in 1979, and since then refused to accept the USA yoke again.
    This of course for the USA is unforgivable.

    For the same reason for decades the USA pretended that Taiwan, Formosa, was China.
    Nixon accepted reality.

    The problem now is, I hope, that Trump also sees reality, that Roosevelt's plan to rule the world with Smaller Britain, Stalin and Tsjang Kai Shek, just was megalomania, ruining the USA, causing great misery in large parts of this earth.

    CNN, Washpost and NYT still do not see reality.
    They did not watch BBCW this morning, Khazakhstan as railway hub between China, Russia and Europe.
    The USA, a backwater if it continues as Obama did.

    What a beautiful prospect: the USA as backwater, still with elements of its natural beauty, still safe from armed invasion and even exporting half of its least employable 100 million to jobs on the new silk road…

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  39. @War for Blair Mountain
    It gets even more interesting.....


    After Cindy Sheehan had her shoot-out with Sgt Michael Esposito's Mother........


    A man sitting in the outside row of chairs stood up and looked at Sgt Michael Eposito's Mother...."Oh shut the fuck up you crazy war mongerer bitch....I am a Vietnam War Veteran and I have no fucking patience for crazy fucks such as you and your husband...I was 19 years USMC doing a tour of duty in Vietnam..I was in several fire fights in Vietnam and was wounded and dam near killed in action.....when I got back to the US...I became part of the Anti-War movement.....and I have been an anti-war activist ever since....your son died a pointless..... MEANIGLESS death in Afghanistan......WAR IS A FUCKING RACKET LADY.."



    There wasn't a peep out of Sgt Michael Esposito's Gold Star Mother for the rest of Cindy Sheehan's talk and book signing.........

    It didn’t end well for 19 year old USMC Sgt Michael Esposito…..

    As you drive past exit 57 on the Long Island Expressay going east or west….

    turn off the short fat bastard pig loaded with million of $$$$$$$$…and loaded with globs of disgusting disgusting celluilite bulging through his thick brown coudroy pants………afflicted with gout no doubt….The WFAN’s resident superstars CHICKENHAWK-HAWK fat bastard Mike Francessa….look up towards the right..and you see how it all ended for 19 year old Long Island Working Class kid Michael Eposito…. take a quick look at the green with white letters Memorial for Michael Eposito:SEARGEANT MICHAEL ESPOSITO MEMORIAL….

    Thousands and thousnds of Americans zip by Sgt Michael Esposito’s memorial everyweek on the wasteland known as the Long Island Expressway…

    Of this I have no doubt:No one-pays attention nor looks at Michael Eposito’s Memorial at exit 57 on the Long Island Expressway…maybe a few people…I do every time a pass Michael Esposito’s Memorial…and it’s all a terribly said experience…..I just shake my head every time…

    Everyone else in their cars on the Long Island Expressway tuned into WFAN’S resident celluilite afflicted fat bastard…Mike Francessa…to listen to his picks for NCAA Final Four Bracket…

    Like 19 year Working Class Teenager Casey Sheehan…19 year Teenager Michael Esposito died a meaningless…pointless death for Donald Trump’s Greater Israel and the Military Industrial Complex…..no one will ever remember the fact that they were live breathing Working Class Teenagers in post-rotting Corpse “MUH AMURRICA!

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    I mentioned in my first post that I had gone to see Monty Python's Terry Jones a month earlier prior to going to see Cindy Sheehan at the Book Review in Huntington Long Island...


    Terry Jones gave a spectacularly funny talk-lecture-PowerPoint Presentation about his new book:"Who Murdered Chaucer".......


    Terry Jones central thesis for which he provided lots of strong-compelling circumstantial evidence was this this:Chaucer was murdered by the Black Prince..now the King of England....for subversive anti-war sentiments being expressed in Chaucer's Canterbury tales....this was the lead up to the War between England and France. Terry Jones argued that post-crushing of Wat Tyler's Peasant Revolt...the King of England was looking for a new source of revenue for his lavish life style...

    The King realized that the Old Trick of War is a Racket was his meal ticket...THAT'S THE TICKET!!...as they say.....Chaucer was a clever and subversive critic of this in his writings...The King dealt with this by declaring and implementing HERESEY LAWS!!! ...as a way of disposing of the opposition...Terry Jones argues that Geoffrey Chaucer all of a sudden exited the stage of History at this moment in English History....as a direct consequence of these new HERSEY LAWS!!
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  40. The truth and facts don’t matter any more in todays world. What matters is the Zionist stranglehold over American political life and media. What Israel wants, Israel gets. Want hundreds of billions of dollars of hard pressed US taxpayers money? No problem, well close down a few more schools and welfare programmes. Israels whores in Congress will deliver. Want a huge illegal nuclear arsenal with hundreds of nuclear warheads targeted at all your neighbours? No problem, we can organise that for you. Want all your military equipment provided completely free of charge? No problem, well even get our German satrap Merkel to send you half a dozen advanced Dolphin nuclear missile submarines completely free of charge. Want us to destroy any neighbouring country you dislike? No problem, well be your dumb muscle whenever you want – just let us know which country you want destroyed next – Iraq, Libya, Syria, Iran. Want us to change the laws to make any criticism of Israel a criminal offence? No problem. Just let us know when you want us to lick your boots. After all, were just goyim put on this earth to serve you like domestic animals. Cant do enough to please our masters. You can always rely on us to provide you with all the money and cannon fodder you need. were just here to serve you.

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    Cruel but just words (from Comment section on http://thomas-l-are.blogspot.com/2017/05/what-kind-of-people.html#comment-form):

    "The brilliant George Bernard Shaw once said that one could use three concepts to describe the positions of individuals in Nazi Germany: intelligence, decency, and Nazism. He argued that if a person was intelligent, and a Nazi, he was not decent. If he was decent and a Nazi, he was not intelligent. And if he was decent and intelligent, he was not a Nazi.
    I propose we update Shaw's rather astute observations with: There are also three concepts to describe the positions of individuals in Zionist Israel: intelligence, decency, and Zionism. We can argue that if a person is intelligent, and a Zionist, he is not decent. If he is decent and a Zionist, he is not intelligent. And if he is decent and intelligent, he is not a Zionist. "
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  41. Randal says:
    @animalogic
    This was a really great article: well argued, nuanced, rational. Unfortunately, none of that is a factor in US/Iran policy. Let's take this quote:
    "until Washington’s policymakers change their all-Iran-all-the-time mental model, they are doomed to failure."
    I would argue that "failure" is largely irrelevant to any Establishment policy in the US. Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria -- all arguably failures...but who cares ? How many have actually suffered career disadvantage from such failures ? (To Elites, the US is SO profoundly rich, that it just doesn't matter: Chuck another pallet load of hundred dollar bills on the fire: it's not like we, the Elites are paying for it)
    So it's crazy, unprofitable to maintain the Iran-universal-bogey-man policy ? Who cares ?
    1. US elites hate Iran: 1979. That's sufficient in itself.
    2. Saudi & Israel hate Iran: "snap !"
    3. Iran is an allied with Russia: case closed !
    4. Oh, & NO ONE in the US Elite thinks about this, but...Iran has a bit of oil wealth...Too cynical, I know.

    I would argue that “failure” is largely irrelevant to any Establishment policy in the US. Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria — all arguably failures…but who cares ? How many have actually suffered career disadvantage from such failures ? (To Elites, the US is SO profoundly rich, that it just doesn’t matter: Chuck another pallet load of hundred dollar bills on the fire: it’s not like we, the Elites are paying for it)

    Indeed. A result that is a bloody, costly, disastrous failure for one group (such as the American nation collectively) might well be a “no big deal” for another group (the self-serving US elites you mention) and even a heart-warming success for another (the Israel/Saudi partisans and suchlike). All at the same time.

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  42. Agent76 says:
    @Z-man
    It's not hysteria it's 'controlled agitation' by the Neocon Zionist Cabal that runs our foreign policy and not so bright generals like 'slurpy dog' Mattis.

    You nailed it Z-man!

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  43. Randal says:
    @for-the-record
    The piece correctly identifies a profound, and profoundly damaging, irrationality in US elite (and manufactured popular) opinion about Iran and its place in the ME and in US foreign policy.

    I would argue, in line with your final sentence, that this irrational "bug" is very much a rational "feature". Indeed, despite what many critics maintain, US foreign policy has been eminently successful in achieving its objectives (or at least the objectives of those who effectively set such policy).

    I would argue, in line with your final sentence, that this irrational “bug” is very much a rational “feature”.

    Not going to disagree with you on that point, of course.

    The claims made about Iran (seeking nuclear weapons with aggressive intent, being likely to “dominate the region”, being a threat to the US itself or even to legitimate US interests, etc) are mostly literally irrational in that they are untrue and illogical, relying upon simple falsehoods and distortions of reality.

    But it is certainly arguably rational for those with personal loyalties to Israel or to Saudi Arabia etc, or to other enemies or rivals of Iran, or for those with personal selfish interests in promoting confrontation and war (military industrial types, bought and paid for politicians, etc) to try to persuade Americans in general, and especially American politicians and media/opinion leaders, that these irrationalities are in fact honest descriptions of reality.

    That’s why I noted that it is very informative, for the many who are not aware of the true situation, to examine how and by whom this false view of the world is disseminated and imposed on Americans in particular.

    Indeed, despite what many critics maintain, US foreign policy has been eminently successful in achieving its objectives (or at least the objectives of those who effectively set such policy)

    Again, absolutely agree.

    As a matter of definitional reality, government policy is not of course set in the interests of the nation, but in the interests of those with the power to influence government policy. All the more reason to regard dual and external loyalties as uniquely poisonous in such groups and individuals.

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  44. @War for Blair Mountain
    It didn't end well for 19 year old USMC Sgt Michael Esposito.....


    As you drive past exit 57 on the Long Island Expressay going east or west....


    turn off the short fat bastard pig loaded with million of $$$$$$$$...and loaded with globs of disgusting disgusting celluilite bulging through his thick brown coudroy pants.........afflicted with gout no doubt....The WFAN's resident superstars CHICKENHAWK-HAWK fat bastard Mike Francessa....look up towards the right..and you see how it all ended for 19 year old Long Island Working Class kid Michael Eposito.... take a quick look at the green with white letters Memorial for Michael Eposito:SEARGEANT MICHAEL ESPOSITO MEMORIAL....

    Thousands and thousnds of Americans zip by Sgt Michael Esposito's memorial everyweek on the wasteland known as the Long Island Expressway...


    Of this I have no doubt:No one-pays attention nor looks at Michael Eposito's Memorial at exit 57 on the Long Island Expressway...maybe a few people...I do every time a pass Michael Esposito's Memorial...and it's all a terribly said experience.....I just shake my head every time...


    Everyone else in their cars on the Long Island Expressway tuned into WFAN'S resident celluilite afflicted fat bastard...Mike Francessa...to listen to his picks for NCAA Final Four Bracket...


    Like 19 year Working Class Teenager Casey Sheehan...19 year Teenager Michael Esposito died a meaningless...pointless death for Donald Trump's Greater Israel and the Military Industrial Complex.....no one will ever remember the fact that they were live breathing Working Class Teenagers in post-rotting Corpse "MUH AMURRICA!

    I mentioned in my first post that I had gone to see Monty Python’s Terry Jones a month earlier prior to going to see Cindy Sheehan at the Book Review in Huntington Long Island…

    Terry Jones gave a spectacularly funny talk-lecture-PowerPoint Presentation about his new book:”Who Murdered Chaucer”…….

    Terry Jones central thesis for which he provided lots of strong-compelling circumstantial evidence was this this:Chaucer was murdered by the Black Prince..now the King of England….for subversive anti-war sentiments being expressed in Chaucer’s Canterbury tales….this was the lead up to the War between England and France. Terry Jones argued that post-crushing of Wat Tyler’s Peasant Revolt…the King of England was looking for a new source of revenue for his lavish life style…

    The King realized that the Old Trick of War is a Racket was his meal ticket…THAT’S THE TICKET!!…as they say…..Chaucer was a clever and subversive critic of this in his writings…The King dealt with this by declaring and implementing HERESEY LAWS!!! …as a way of disposing of the opposition…Terry Jones argues that Geoffrey Chaucer all of a sudden exited the stage of History at this moment in English History….as a direct consequence of these new HERSEY LAWS!!

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    I think you have risked slight befuddlement of your readers by spelling eccentricity (I fear the UR typo punisher will adapt and lash you in its updated version). I think the word you had in mind was "heresy" rather than either of your variants??? And why capitalise btw?
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  45. annamaria says:
    @mark willis
    The truth and facts don't matter any more in todays world. What matters is the Zionist stranglehold over American political life and media. What Israel wants, Israel gets. Want hundreds of billions of dollars of hard pressed US taxpayers money? No problem, well close down a few more schools and welfare programmes. Israels whores in Congress will deliver. Want a huge illegal nuclear arsenal with hundreds of nuclear warheads targeted at all your neighbours? No problem, we can organise that for you. Want all your military equipment provided completely free of charge? No problem, well even get our German satrap Merkel to send you half a dozen advanced Dolphin nuclear missile submarines completely free of charge. Want us to destroy any neighbouring country you dislike? No problem, well be your dumb muscle whenever you want - just let us know which country you want destroyed next - Iraq, Libya, Syria, Iran. Want us to change the laws to make any criticism of Israel a criminal offence? No problem. Just let us know when you want us to lick your boots. After all, were just goyim put on this earth to serve you like domestic animals. Cant do enough to please our masters. You can always rely on us to provide you with all the money and cannon fodder you need. were just here to serve you.

    Cruel but just words (from Comment section on http://thomas-l-are.blogspot.com/2017/05/what-kind-of-people.html#comment-form):

    “The brilliant George Bernard Shaw once said that one could use three concepts to describe the positions of individuals in Nazi Germany: intelligence, decency, and Nazism. He argued that if a person was intelligent, and a Nazi, he was not decent. If he was decent and a Nazi, he was not intelligent. And if he was decent and intelligent, he was not a Nazi.
    I propose we update Shaw’s rather astute observations with: There are also three concepts to describe the positions of individuals in Zionist Israel: intelligence, decency, and Zionism. We can argue that if a person is intelligent, and a Zionist, he is not decent. If he is decent and a Zionist, he is not intelligent. And if he is decent and intelligent, he is not a Zionist. “

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  46. @Che Guava
    Great article, Danny, particularly given your perspective.

    For jilles,

    In 1911 GB and Russia destroyed Iran democracy, in 1953 the USA did it again.
    In 1979, after the USA Vietnam disaster, Islam suceeded in liberating Iran from the USA puppet Shah.
     
    You make a strange mix of comments.

    There was no democracy in Iran of 1911.

    Zoroastrians had a relatively better position, not just tolerated (as now), I would guess, but open about their faith.

    There were a few more Christians.

    There were many more Jews, but many left for economic reasons. To the USA, or to Israel where, even if not business-minded, they could live largely off the US taxpayer (try calculating the US subsidies and value of its gifts to Israel, then divide that by the population, it is almost a living wage per man, woman and child). Doubtless a few to join the Jewish Bolsheviks and have some fun destroying Orthodox churches and killing non-Jews, then a bit less fun when they started killing each other.

    As Major Danny says, the remnant Jewish population in Iran of now has few complaints.

    As for the revolution against the Shah, the persistent fighters before Khomeini's return were the Communist Party and weird offshoot Marxist groups like the Mujaheed al Khaq (I don't recall the correct spelling).

    The Shah was being overthrown, so many in the Shah's security forces decided they would prefer the relatively mild Islamism offered by Khomeini to the communists, so there was a coup d'etat against the revolution.

    Point is, it was *not* an Islamic revolution to start with, it was a revolution by a coalition of Communists, weirdo Marxists, and mild Islamists.

    Once big factions of the Shah's internal security and army decided that supporting Khomeini was their best choice, the situation was transformed.

    Really weird, I specify the book, written by a USA citizen on Iranian democracy in 1911, and then someone asserts out of the blue that this democracy did not exist.
    There must be something fundamentally very wrong with USA education.
    Even more wrong than
    Christopher Lasch, ‘The Culture of Narcissism, American Life in an Age of Diminishing Expectations’, 1979, 1980, London
    describes.
    Truth does not matter in the USA, it began with Nixon, as Lasch explains.

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    The most effective way to rid one's country of abusive imperialist intrusion is nationalization of the extraction of natural resources. The Iranians are a proud people with a proud Persian ancestory and location within The Cradle of Civilization. Despite the many attempts of Anglos to exercise their hegemony, the Iranians style of foreign policy and democracy are much more pure than the West. Perhaps the west needs to pay attention and take a few pages out of the Iranian playbook but, of course , the West is controlled by greedy capitalists bent on theft wherever they can create and excercise their abuse.
    , @Che Guava
    I am not a USA person.

    However, thank you for making me look into the Iran Constitutional Repuplic movement, 1906 to 1911.

    I knew much of the military history of the time, but not of Iran's internal politics.

    However, having read about it and its constitution in some detail, it cannot be described as a democracy. Restrictions on suffrage were far beyond those of even early European parliaments, except, possibly, in terms of property ownership.

    Nor was it ever really in power.

    So you have not at all refuted my earlier more impressionistic post.
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  47. Hass says:

    Actually the claim that Iran provided IEDs or EFP etc to Iraq and militas there is totally discredited nonsense. Iran was backing the Shia who supported the govt of Iraq, the insurgents were Sunni, and in any case they were all capable of making EFP and multiple EFP factories were found in Iraq

    http://www.latimes.com/news/la-oe-cockburn16feb16-story.html

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  48. MEexpert says:
    @DES
    Excellent points. For a more detailed analysis, I recommend "Manufactured Crisis - The Untold Story of the Iran Nuclear Scare," by Gareth Porter.

    Interesting factoid: A 2007 National Intelligence Estimate concluded with "high confidence" that Iran's nuclear weapons program had been halted in the fall of 2003 and with "moderate confidence" that it had not been restarted as of mid-2007. I am not aware that this estimate has been revised or updated.

    Interesting factoid: A 2007 National Intelligence Estimate concluded with “high confidence” that Iran’s nuclear weapons program had been halted in the fall of 2003 and with “moderate confidence” that it had not been restarted as of mid-2007. I am not aware that this estimate has been revised or updated.

    The estimate was reaffirmed in 2011.

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  49. MEexpert says:
    @Che Guava
    Great article, Danny, particularly given your perspective.

    For jilles,

    In 1911 GB and Russia destroyed Iran democracy, in 1953 the USA did it again.
    In 1979, after the USA Vietnam disaster, Islam suceeded in liberating Iran from the USA puppet Shah.
     
    You make a strange mix of comments.

    There was no democracy in Iran of 1911.

    Zoroastrians had a relatively better position, not just tolerated (as now), I would guess, but open about their faith.

    There were a few more Christians.

    There were many more Jews, but many left for economic reasons. To the USA, or to Israel where, even if not business-minded, they could live largely off the US taxpayer (try calculating the US subsidies and value of its gifts to Israel, then divide that by the population, it is almost a living wage per man, woman and child). Doubtless a few to join the Jewish Bolsheviks and have some fun destroying Orthodox churches and killing non-Jews, then a bit less fun when they started killing each other.

    As Major Danny says, the remnant Jewish population in Iran of now has few complaints.

    As for the revolution against the Shah, the persistent fighters before Khomeini's return were the Communist Party and weird offshoot Marxist groups like the Mujaheed al Khaq (I don't recall the correct spelling).

    The Shah was being overthrown, so many in the Shah's security forces decided they would prefer the relatively mild Islamism offered by Khomeini to the communists, so there was a coup d'etat against the revolution.

    Point is, it was *not* an Islamic revolution to start with, it was a revolution by a coalition of Communists, weirdo Marxists, and mild Islamists.

    Once big factions of the Shah's internal security and army decided that supporting Khomeini was their best choice, the situation was transformed.

    Point is, it was *not* an Islamic revolution to start with, it was a revolution by a coalition of Communists, weirdo Marxists, and mild Islamists.

    You haven’t got the foggiest idea what you are talking about.

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    Sorry, no you are the one who hasn't the foggiest idea.

    I write from the interpretation of a Tudeh (Communist Party) member, who was there at the time, and had to leave later.

    I heard his words in first person, a conversation I remember well, much appreciated. and have no reason to think he was a liar.

    They had ministers in early cabinets of the current polity.

    Sorry, if you apply a little thought, you will see that my capsule narrative has much connection to truth.

    Idiotic abuse such as yours is simply idiotic.
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  50. MEexpert says:
    @War for Blair Mountain
    Cindy Sheehan finally arrives at the Book Review.....I take seat behind the late Sgt Esposito's parents....


    Cindy Sheehan starts speaking about her son Casey...she said she made it clear to him that she was opposed to him signing the US Army Contract...he went and did it anyway...


    Then she said Casey went off to US Army boot camp.....then sent off to be trained as US Army Combat Engineer....Eventually Casey Sheehan was sent to Iraq as a Combat Engineer....

    During the second week of his tour of duty in Iraq....Casey Sheehan stepped on a IED and his head was blown off.....according to Cindy Sheehan who had a closed coffin funeral for Casey after his remains were shipped back to America.....



    Then Cindy Sheehan went to give her reasons for opposing a US Military Occupation of Afghanistan and Iraq...she went through the lies of The Bush Administration...

    Then Cindy Sheehan went to give her reasons for opposing a US Military Occupation of Afghanistan and Iraq…she went through the lies of The Bush Administration…

    Cindy Sheehan was a hypocrite. She was all over George W. Bush for the Iraq war after her son died but was never heard from when Obama became president. I guess she used up all her anti-war hormones against Bush.

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    Cindy Sheehan has referred to both Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton as War Criminals-many times......just type into Google:Cindy Sheehan "Barack Obama's Ghoulish Legacy"...

    Cindy Sheehan was used by the phony "ANTIWAR" Activists during the retard W Bush era...

    Once the nosepicking narcissistic homosexual Kenyan Foreigner got elected Dear Leader War Crimes got relabled as humanitarian interventions...

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  51. @MEexpert

    Then Cindy Sheehan went to give her reasons for opposing a US Military Occupation of Afghanistan and Iraq…she went through the lies of The Bush Administration…
     
    Cindy Sheehan was a hypocrite. She was all over George W. Bush for the Iraq war after her son died but was never heard from when Obama became president. I guess she used up all her anti-war hormones against Bush.

    Cindy Sheehan has referred to both Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton as War Criminals-many times……just type into Google:Cindy Sheehan “Barack Obama’s Ghoulish Legacy”…

    Cindy Sheehan was used by the phony “ANTIWAR” Activists during the retard W Bush era…

    Once the nosepicking narcissistic homosexual Kenyan Foreigner got elected Dear Leader War Crimes got relabled as humanitarian interventions…

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  52. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @War for Blair Mountain
    The late USMC Sgt Michael Esposito's parents came to the Book Review to ambush and massacre fellow Gold Star Mother Cindy Sheehan...this was apparent in the discussion I had with them as we were waiting for Cindy Sheehan to make her appearance at the Book Review....


    Sgt Esposito's Mother came across as violent psychotic in a rage state...tanked up on adrenaline...


    After showing me a photo a large photo of her son Michael in his USMC dress uniform...she went on a foul mouthed tear on Cindy Sheehan:"Cindy Sheehan is a GD fucking TRAITOR who insults the memory of my son Michael who died protecting our FREEDOM...and protecting us from Afghani drug lords who grow poppy...Cindy Sheehan stabs Gold Star Mothers like myself and our families in the back...when Cindy Sheehan starts speaking....I am going to stand up and hold this photo of my son Michael in his Marine dress uniform and call her a GD TRAITOR!!!

    the ISIS soldier dies and goes to heaven. GOLD STAR MOTHERS get the taste of heaven or more precisely are asked to taste the heaven where the angels come from Hollywood, high priest descend from White House and the media pays gratitude to the Mothers for the successful new army recruits from the high school of the devastated empty land . They have seen how life could be so fulfilling and meaningful in the White House meetings.

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  53. @Ernul
    Excuses, excuses, excuses by the author for the poor Iranians. When someone attacks YOUR family, friends or loved ones, what do you do? "Head in the ground" it sound like. WHO cares why they do it. Simply make them STOP and punish them for the attacks. After justice is served, only then do the bleeding hearts get to ask them WHY? "EARTH TO THE AUTHOR", we tried it their way without result so now the bleeding hearts want to give the Iranians the benefit of doubt using our children and money all over again! Send your child to fight and should he/she come back in a body bag, blame yourself. ., because we've hear and tried it your way. (DUH)

    You go get ‘em, Ernul.
    Go get those mfer Eyeranians who flew decrepit 35 year old Boeings 7000 miles to the North American continent, dropped chemical weapons and DPU all over YOUR family, friends, or loved ones.
    Go get ‘em and Make them Stop! Punish ‘em good; deliver justice to every single Eyeranian that invaded USA and shot up an American town.

    The Golden Rule being what it is — surely someone as intent on punishment and justice believes in the Golden Rule — is it fair to assume you will be among those who demand that the people who
    – assisted Saddam in dropping chemicals on Iranian civilians;
    – caused the deaths of Iranian children, elderly and sick, who were not able to obtain the nutrition or medicine they needed because of US-imposed sanctions;
    – assassinated Iranian scientists in their own cities —

    will you demand that THOSE people be STOPPED, punished, and brought to justice?

    By the way — did you finish fourth grade? Study any geography? Learn where the borders of USA are and where the boundaries of Iran are? How many miles of border does USA share with Iran?
    How many military bases does Iran have in or around USA? How many military bases does USA have around Iran?

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    How dare the Iranians put their country in the middle of so many of ZUSA's bases!
    http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/03/proof-russia-iran-want-war-look-close-put-countries-military-bases.html
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  54. @Randal
    Excellent stuff! A very unusually grownup and rational assessment of the situation, coming from any American.

    The piece correctly identifies a profound, and profoundly damaging, irrationality in US elite (and manufactured popular) opinion about Iran and its place in the ME and in US foreign policy. A lot can be learned from examining the origins of and the reasons for this irrationality, and the identities of those who act to promote and sustain it and how they achieve their propagandist goals.

    By and large, Iran's enemies in the US are also the enemies of liberty, of sovereignty and of honesty in foreign policy: the likes of John McCain, as noted, and most of the bipartisan advocates of aggressive interventionist war-making, whether the R2P "humanitarian" types of the "left" or the America-uber-alles militarists of the "right", along with the Israeli and Saudi dual loyalty or foreign loyalty types.

    However, lumping regionally focused nationalist organizations like Hezbollah [and Hamas] with genuine global jihadist groups like ISIS and al-Qaeda (in its proliferating forms) is deceptive, often purposely so.
     
    Gosh, who could it possibly be that has an interest in lying to promote this particular falsehood, and the media and political "influence" in US society to do so successfully?

    Who else. Ziocons and their stooges of course. For them, as long as it serves their interest, the “Goyim” can happily fulfill the mission, die a “hero”, and spend $trillions defending “our freedom” and “our way of life” . And the masses are cheering with pride “don’t mess with the USA”. Not knowing those we killed were simple poor peasants celebrating a wedding, and still think the world is flat……

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  55. Sowhat says:

    In sum, U.S. policy in the Middle East is confused, contradictory, counterproductive, and dangerous.

    This is foreign policy formulated by those that stratigicized “The American Century”. The same Rockefeller /Wallstreet Cabal (The Globalist Hegemon) that has decimated the “American Dream”, now diluted to a fading memory while we try to wrap our heads around 17-20 trillion dollars of debt. When foreign policy seems out of wack, it is. Public opinion, the whole of government, which of course includes the “mouthpieces”-all have been controlled and not by The People.

    F.william Engdahl The Gods of Money, 2009

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  56. L.K says:

    So, Mr. Sjursen,

    What the hell were you doing in East Baghdad, January 25, 2007??

    Oh yeah, you & your men were invaders and occupiers, accessories in an illegal, unprovoked war of aggression.

    Funny also how you manage to not say a thing about the key destabilizing country in the M.E, that is Israel… and Israel’s organic 5th column inside ZUSA, which is the main factor why you and your boys ended up in Baghdad , on Jan 25, 07.

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    Matthew 26:52
    , @Miro23

    So, Mr. Sjursen,

    What the hell were you doing in East Baghdad, January 25, 2007??

    Oh yeah, you & your men were invaders and occupiers, accessories in an illegal, unprovoked war of aggression.

    Funny also how you manage to not say a thing about the key destabilizing country in the M.E, that is Israel… and Israel’s organic 5th column inside ZUSA, which is the main factor why you and your boys ended up in Baghdad , on Jan 25, 07.
     
    It's not at all irrational to vilify Iran if you intend to destroy it - Hitler did the same to Poland prior to his attack on that country. It's standard procedure to demean and vilify the people who's land and property you intend to steal .

    The difference is that Hitler used German resources and troops, whereas Israel (through its US based traitors and collaborators) uses American resources and troops while having a laugh vilifying and demeaning Deplorables like Sjursen who are expected to do the fighting.
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  57. L.K says:
    @SolontoCroesus
    You go get 'em, Ernul.
    Go get those mfer Eyeranians who flew decrepit 35 year old Boeings 7000 miles to the North American continent, dropped chemical weapons and DPU all over YOUR family, friends, or loved ones.
    Go get 'em and Make them Stop! Punish 'em good; deliver justice to every single Eyeranian that invaded USA and shot up an American town.

    The Golden Rule being what it is -- surely someone as intent on punishment and justice believes in the Golden Rule -- is it fair to assume you will be among those who demand that the people who
    -- assisted Saddam in dropping chemicals on Iranian civilians;
    -- caused the deaths of Iranian children, elderly and sick, who were not able to obtain the nutrition or medicine they needed because of US-imposed sanctions;
    -- assassinated Iranian scientists in their own cities ---

    will you demand that THOSE people be STOPPED, punished, and brought to justice?

    By the way -- did you finish fourth grade? Study any geography? Learn where the borders of USA are and where the boundaries of Iran are? How many miles of border does USA share with Iran?
    How many military bases does Iran have in or around USA? How many military bases does USA have around Iran?

    How dare the Iranians put their country in the middle of so many of ZUSA’s bases!

    http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/03/proof-russia-iran-want-war-look-close-put-countries-military-bases.html

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  58. @L.K
    So, Mr. Sjursen,

    What the hell were you doing in East Baghdad, January 25, 2007??

    Oh yeah, you & your men were invaders and occupiers, accessories in an illegal, unprovoked war of aggression.

    Funny also how you manage to not say a thing about the key destabilizing country in the M.E, that is Israel... and Israel's organic 5th column inside ZUSA, which is the main factor why you and your boys ended up in Baghdad , on Jan 25, 07.

    Matthew 26:52

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  59. Miro23 says:
    @L.K
    So, Mr. Sjursen,

    What the hell were you doing in East Baghdad, January 25, 2007??

    Oh yeah, you & your men were invaders and occupiers, accessories in an illegal, unprovoked war of aggression.

    Funny also how you manage to not say a thing about the key destabilizing country in the M.E, that is Israel... and Israel's organic 5th column inside ZUSA, which is the main factor why you and your boys ended up in Baghdad , on Jan 25, 07.

    So, Mr. Sjursen,

    What the hell were you doing in East Baghdad, January 25, 2007??

    Oh yeah, you & your men were invaders and occupiers, accessories in an illegal, unprovoked war of aggression.

    Funny also how you manage to not say a thing about the key destabilizing country in the M.E, that is Israel… and Israel’s organic 5th column inside ZUSA, which is the main factor why you and your boys ended up in Baghdad , on Jan 25, 07.

    It’s not at all irrational to vilify Iran if you intend to destroy it – Hitler did the same to Poland prior to his attack on that country. It’s standard procedure to demean and vilify the people who’s land and property you intend to steal .

    The difference is that Hitler used German resources and troops, whereas Israel (through its US based traitors and collaborators) uses American resources and troops while having a laugh vilifying and demeaning Deplorables like Sjursen who are expected to do the fighting.

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    I know what you just did, troll.
    But listen, WTF has your idiotic obsession with Hitler and evil natzee cannibals have to do with ZUSA's invasion of Iraq in 03? That's right; Nothing. Seek help.
    Germany actually DID have a motive to go to war; Polish intransigence to negotiate the return of just a small part of German land stolen from Germany at the end of the Great war, and reconnect East Prussia again to the rest of the country. Cute too how you totally neglect to mention that the Soviet Union also invaded Poland and took more than half of the country.

    ZUSA's attack on Iraq otoh, like so many other dirty wars Zusa has fought over decades, had ZERO justification & was stupid even from ZUSA's own imperialistic interests, since it was actually a war it fought for the interests of its parasite, the zionists.
    , @SolontoCroesus

    It’s not at all irrational to vilify Iran if you intend to destroy it – Hitler did the same to Poland prior to his attack on that country. It’s standard procedure to demean and vilify the people who’s land and property you intend to steal .
     
    Can you cite/quote the instances of "vilifying Poland?" There was a genuine conflict between the Poles and Germans. According to Maj. Gen. Gerd Schultze-Rhonhof, the NSDAP made numerous attempts to settle the conflict nonviolently. In a recent speech, Max Hastings, one of Queen Elizabeth's favorite historians, said just that: that the Germans offered extremely generous terms to the Poles to settle the Danzig question. That's not consistent with "demean and vilify . . ."

    ---

    Also, would you concede that "irrational" is a poor word choice for the phenomenon you describe? "Standard procedure" gets closer to the reality, especially if USA history is consulted.
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  60. Avery says:
    @Ernul
    Excuses, excuses, excuses by the author for the poor Iranians. When someone attacks YOUR family, friends or loved ones, what do you do? "Head in the ground" it sound like. WHO cares why they do it. Simply make them STOP and punish them for the attacks. After justice is served, only then do the bleeding hearts get to ask them WHY? "EARTH TO THE AUTHOR", we tried it their way without result so now the bleeding hearts want to give the Iranians the benefit of doubt using our children and money all over again! Send your child to fight and should he/she come back in a body bag, blame yourself. ., because we've hear and tried it your way. (DUH)

     In 1953 US and UK launched operation Ajax, the overthrow of democratically elected Iranian president Mosaddegh.
    The CIA trained SAVAK, secret police of the US-installed Shah, terrorized the people of Iran for the next three decades or so. The reason Mosaddegh was overthrown and murdered was because he was going to nationalize Iranian oil. Iranians had had enough of US and UK looting their national wealth.

     In 1988 goaded and encouraged by US, Iraq’s Saddam invaded Iran.
    US fully supported Iraq via satellite and other intelligence.
    US and UK also had previously supplied Iraq with chemical weapons, which Saddam used liberally against Iranians.
    Short of everything, Iranians fought like lions against the invaders.
    Because of Western embargoes, Iranians lacked all sorts of military hardware.
    With no mine clearing equipment, patriotic Iranian teenagers cleared landmines with their own lives, so that valuable experienced troops could be saved to fight the invaders.
    About 1 million Iranians were killed in the 8 year war.

     In 1988, USS Vincennes operating near or in Iranian territorial waters shot down Iran Air 655.
    Ostensibly by mistake.
    All 290 people on board, including children, were killed.
    The commander of Vincenens was award a medal by POTUS: for killing Iranian civilians.

     In 2016 two US navy patrol boats, which supposedly had equipment failure, were captured by Iranians _inside_ their territorial waters.
    After the sailors were fed and treated by Iranians as guests, they were released.

     US Navy has a large and aggressive presence in the Persian Gulf, where it routinely creates ‘incidents’ with Iranian navy. The idea being to try to create a ‘Maddox incident’ so USAF can start carpet bombing Iranian cities.
    btw: No Iranian warships are operating in the Gulf of Mexico as of May 2017.
    btw2: distance from Gulf of Mexico to Persian Gulf ~7,000 miles. DUH.

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    Hi Avery, you're preaching to a Zionist infant, for over two millennia his tribe enjoyed peace and prosperity in Iran, and they still do. Look at their treachery, they'll drop anyone like a hot potato if they don't serve their interest. They have no friends but GOLD. We'll end up the same way once our servitude is deemed "useless"
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  61. eah says:

    Israel’s America’s Iran Hysteria’

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  62. L.K says:
    @Miro23

    So, Mr. Sjursen,

    What the hell were you doing in East Baghdad, January 25, 2007??

    Oh yeah, you & your men were invaders and occupiers, accessories in an illegal, unprovoked war of aggression.

    Funny also how you manage to not say a thing about the key destabilizing country in the M.E, that is Israel… and Israel’s organic 5th column inside ZUSA, which is the main factor why you and your boys ended up in Baghdad , on Jan 25, 07.
     
    It's not at all irrational to vilify Iran if you intend to destroy it - Hitler did the same to Poland prior to his attack on that country. It's standard procedure to demean and vilify the people who's land and property you intend to steal .

    The difference is that Hitler used German resources and troops, whereas Israel (through its US based traitors and collaborators) uses American resources and troops while having a laugh vilifying and demeaning Deplorables like Sjursen who are expected to do the fighting.

    I know what you just did, troll.
    But listen, WTF has your idiotic obsession with Hitler and evil natzee cannibals have to do with ZUSA’s invasion of Iraq in 03? That’s right; Nothing. Seek help.
    Germany actually DID have a motive to go to war; Polish intransigence to negotiate the return of just a small part of German land stolen from Germany at the end of the Great war, and reconnect East Prussia again to the rest of the country. Cute too how you totally neglect to mention that the Soviet Union also invaded Poland and took more than half of the country.

    ZUSA’s attack on Iraq otoh, like so many other dirty wars Zusa has fought over decades, had ZERO justification & was stupid even from ZUSA’s own imperialistic interests, since it was actually a war it fought for the interests of its parasite, the zionists.

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    "ZUSA’s attack on Iraq....... had ZERO justification & was stupid even from ZUSA’s own imperialistic interests...."

    Depends how you define ZUSA. The Deep State [in US and wherever] made huge profits from arms sales and other investments (think Cheney, Halliburton). And both the Zios and the Cold Warriors are pleased with the chaos.
    , @LJ

    ZUSA’s attack on Iraq otoh, like so many other dirty wars Zusa has fought over decades, had ZERO justification & was stupid even from ZUSA’s own imperialistic interests, since it was actually a war it fought for the interests of its parasite, the zionists.
     
    Iraq was selling oil for Euros, thus breaking the control of the US petro dollar, which had profound economic implications for the USA. Libya also tried to get off the US petro dollar. Syria, and before it, Afghanistan were favouring pipeline routes contrary to the routes planned by USA economic interests.

    While there may be zionist interests intermingled, it is absurd to pretend that USA interests were not served by these wars.
    , @jacques sheete

    ...Germany actually DID have a motive to go to war...
     
    I thank you and StoC for your replies, which are correct.

    Germany had been threatened as well by internal and external forms of Communism and thus had much more justification for going to war than the US has ever had. Hitler was a piker compared to the US, Soviet and Brit leadership and I'm astonished to think that isn't plain to all.

    On a slightly different note, I'm asking all those who think American involvement with Iran began in 1953 to hit the history books. Back in the first part of the last century Iran was trying to modernize but was constantly being jacked around by the Brits and the Soviets (like the Russians before them), so turned to Germany for help. That wasn't exactly approved by the Brits or the Soviets so Germany got the boot and was replaced by Americans who also got the boot for similar reasons.

    Then, 3 months prior to the attack on Pearl, the "Allies" launched a surprise attack on neutral Iran, destroyed its tiny navy, took over the oilfields and refineries and ran the country. They then built the Persian Corridor through which they supplied Stalin with enough war materiel to support 60 Soviet divisions. Uncle Joey got everything from clothes and ammo to railroad equipment such as locomotives and rolling stock and he also got planes and spare parts.

    Iran is no more the enemy to the West than Vietnam ever was, and neither were Germany or Japan.


    The German-Polish war had come out of a quarrel over a town the size of Ocean City, Md., in summer. Danzig, 95 percent German, had been severed from Germany at Versailles in violation of Woodrow Wilson’s principle of self-determination. Even British leaders thought Danzig should be returned.
    …Was Danzig worth a war? Unlike the 7 million Hong Kongese whom the British surrendered to Beijing, who didn’t want to go, the Danzigers were clamoring to return to Germany. [As were several other populations in countries surrounding Germany.]

    -Patrick J. Buchanan , Did Hitler Want War?

    http://buchanan.org/blog/did-hitler-want-war-2068
     
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  63. Hitler never intended to destroy Poland, he just wanted two things:
    - getting back the German city of Danzig
    - an overland connection with East Prussia
    The British guarantee to Poland was meant to provoke Hitler into attacking Poland, since this guarantee Poland refused any negotiation.
    On top of that, Poland did anything to provoke Hitler, such as firing on German passenger planes flying from Germany to Königsberg, the present Kalingrad.
    Hitler did not see the trap, Von Ribbentrop had assured him that GB would do nothing.
    Alas, when ambassador in GB, Von Ribbentrop just mixed with pro German British.

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    Hitler never intended to destroy Poland, he just wanted two things:
    - getting back the German city of Danzig
    - an overland connection with East Prussia
     
    I'm not sure why Hitler and Poland have been dragged into this discussion, but that statement strikes me as an absurd re-imagining of history....I suppose Hitler never intended to destroy Czechoslovakia either, he just wanted the Sudetenland....
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  64. Sowhat says:
    @jilles dykstra
    Really weird, I specify the book, written by a USA citizen on Iranian democracy in 1911, and then someone asserts out of the blue that this democracy did not exist.
    There must be something fundamentally very wrong with USA education.
    Even more wrong than
    Christopher Lasch, 'The Culture of Narcissism, American Life in an Age of Diminishing Expectations', 1979, 1980, London
    describes.
    Truth does not matter in the USA, it began with Nixon, as Lasch explains.

    The most effective way to rid one’s country of abusive imperialist intrusion is nationalization of the extraction of natural resources. The Iranians are a proud people with a proud Persian ancestory and location within The Cradle of Civilization. Despite the many attempts of Anglos to exercise their hegemony, the Iranians style of foreign policy and democracy are much more pure than the West. Perhaps the west needs to pay attention and take a few pages out of the Iranian playbook but, of course , the West is controlled by greedy capitalists bent on theft wherever they can create and excercise their abuse.

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  65. @anonymous
    Mattis' statement is easily trashed as simple-minded and delusional. So what's the conclusion? That there are many who are in a position to influence policy are incompetent and downright stupid? Apparently that's the case and breathtakingly so. Everyone seems to have this huge blind spot where they automatically accept that the US has the right to travel thousands of miles around the world to engage in warfare with whatever country they please yet a country right next door has no right to get involved. It's strange to hear people whine about the Iranians getting involved in their own region by training militiamen or showing them how to build better explosive weapons, all of which is very basic low-tech stuff that could be shown on a DVD, whereas the Americans are using space-age jet fighters and tanks as well as the much touted SEAL soldiers. Want to trade weapons?
    Whether the Iranians have a wonderful democracy or are a horrible dictatorship is beside the point. They're going to defend themselves and will get involved in all parts of the region to prevent becoming vulnerable and thus open to attack. They have the geography, size and human resources to do so and will do so. It's arguable that they're the natural hegemon of the region and that far-away outsiders like the US can only thwart that for a limited period of time.

    Everyone seems to have this huge blind spot where they automatically accept that the US has the right to travel thousands of miles around the world to engage in warfare with whatever country they please

    Take of the day, Anonymous. And still, follow the money. It’s all very simple: in every bomb dropped, profit. Every bullet, every plane, every gallon of fuel, handsome profit. That’s the driver of it all. Unfortunately, the profit-centers are also the folks that know how to kill those that aren’t “automatically accepting”, especially politicians that don’t hew to their line. Reporters? Forget about it, stout opposition in the press simply doesn’t exist. For reference, consider the last two to say no to a bullshit war: Jack and Robert Kennedy. The profit centers have had a yes-man in the White House ever since and the formerly-dovish press is now the primary drum-beater for war, always. The public is compliant because with manufacturing shipped out of the country, there are now lots of “volunteers” to do the fighting and so there is no draft. Since the citizens of the press and academia have none of THEIR precious spawn in the fight, there is no outcry against it. War is wonderful theater if you and yours aren’t part of the fun. Perfect scam, Don Corleone would be proud of them. My theory is they take our new Presidents up to Arlington to lay a wreath, point up to Custis-Lee Mansion where the eternal flame is and note just how much MORE space there is for another martyr. Face it, a President is trapped once in the White House.

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    Precisely what I invisioned them doing to Trump. "You and all of your offspring will find an early resting place and Trump's will be no more. Is that what you choose, Mr. President?"
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  66. Sowhat says:
    @Agent76
    Once the Pentagon has the plan's of the Bankster's they never stop or halt with it in the Empire!

    December 24, 2013 The Worldwide Network of US Military Bases The Global Deployment of US Military Personnel

    The US Military has bases in *63* countries. Brand new military bases have been built since September 11, 2001 in seven countries. In total, there are 255,065 US military personnel deployed Worldwide. These facilities include a total of 845,441 different buildings and equipments.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-worldwide-network-of-us-military-bases/5564

    Sep 11, 2011 General Wesley Clark: Wars Were Planned - Seven Countries In Five Years

    "This is a memo that describes how we're going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran." I said, "Is it classified?" He said, "Yes, sir." I said, "Well, don't show it to me." And I saw him a year or so ago, and I said, "You remember that?" He said, "Sir, I didn't show you that memo! I didn't show it to you!"

    https://youtu.be/9RC1Mepk_Sw

    …and, while they endebt the next two-hour generation’s, here, with the REALLY danger to nation security, the greedy obsconders lassoed Healthcare and now that they’ve arranged to steal this money from the public, want to reduce coverage. More to the egregious MIIC and less to Americans at home. There’s always a new area in the world or an old, unconquered one that is more important than the masses at home…always another chosen despot or regeigm that the CIA’S has fabricated and funded that threatens our way of life, while liberty and prosperity and other constitutional guarantees are slowly taken away here in the exceptional land of opportunity. We all see the elephant but no one sees the way to bring it down and remove it from the room, forever.

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    This will give anyone a visual reality check and this also does not include the total of the world debt crises coming soon.

    Mar 20, 2017 Why does US national debt and total debt only and always increase?

    Showing stacks of physical cash in following sequence: $100, $10,000, $1 Million, $2 Billion, $1 Trillion, $20 Trillion. The faith and value of the US Dollar rests on the Government's ability to repay its debt. "The money in the video has already been spent"

    https://youtu.be/XqUwr-Nkq9g
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  67. Che Guava says:
    @jilles dykstra
    Really weird, I specify the book, written by a USA citizen on Iranian democracy in 1911, and then someone asserts out of the blue that this democracy did not exist.
    There must be something fundamentally very wrong with USA education.
    Even more wrong than
    Christopher Lasch, 'The Culture of Narcissism, American Life in an Age of Diminishing Expectations', 1979, 1980, London
    describes.
    Truth does not matter in the USA, it began with Nixon, as Lasch explains.

    I am not a USA person.

    However, thank you for making me look into the Iran Constitutional Repuplic movement, 1906 to 1911.

    I knew much of the military history of the time, but not of Iran’s internal politics.

    However, having read about it and its constitution in some detail, it cannot be described as a democracy. Restrictions on suffrage were far beyond those of even early European parliaments, except, possibly, in terms of property ownership.

    Nor was it ever really in power.

    So you have not at all refuted my earlier more impressionistic post.

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  68. Che Guava says:
    @MEexpert

    Point is, it was *not* an Islamic revolution to start with, it was a revolution by a coalition of Communists, weirdo Marxists, and mild Islamists.
     
    You haven't got the foggiest idea what you are talking about.

    Sorry, no you are the one who hasn’t the foggiest idea.

    I write from the interpretation of a Tudeh (Communist Party) member, who was there at the time, and had to leave later.

    I heard his words in first person, a conversation I remember well, much appreciated. and have no reason to think he was a liar.

    They had ministers in early cabinets of the current polity.

    Sorry, if you apply a little thought, you will see that my capsule narrative has much connection to truth.

    Idiotic abuse such as yours is simply idiotic.

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    I write from the interpretation of a Tudeh (Communist Party) member, who was there at the time, and had to leave later.
     
    Key word is a.

    Your argument is from the particular to the general.

    Socrates is a man.
    Therefore all men are Socrates.
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  69. ANON says: • Disclaimer
    @DanCT
    I was an f.o. with recon the last six months of my tour in Vietnam (1-6/70) and thankful that, while we were occasionally inserted into hot LZ's in that time, once we were on the ground we were on our own and never trapped like sitting ducks for hours in a glorified SUV. My take is that this fellow ought to be blaming the Army and Pentagon and not Iran for setting him and his platoon up for the sort of inevitable ambush he describes.

    And another thing, too, which I don't ever recall hearing back in the Vietnam era is this robotic "muh brothers, muh mission" stuff, where everyone in a uniform is a "hero" who should be "thanked for his service," especially if he was one of the "boots on the ground." I've been there and through it, I've had this one-sided militarism up to my eyeballs at this point, and see this business of glorifying our soldiers and demonizing the countries this country is Balkanizing for Israel as unAmerican brainwashing.

    Let's not forget that back in the Vietnam era, at a time when our military wasn't serving Israel, the father's of today's neocons were not only not serving up this militaristic jingoism, but calling the fathers of today's soldiers "baby killers."

    Thank you for your valuable, compelling testimony. Please continue to witness, here and most especially elsewhere on the Internet where most people never even encounter “non-approved” facts.

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  70. Agent76 says:
    @Sowhat
    ...and, while they endebt the next two-hour generation's, here, with the REALLY danger to nation security, the greedy obsconders lassoed Healthcare and now that they've arranged to steal this money from the public, want to reduce coverage. More to the egregious MIIC and less to Americans at home. There's always a new area in the world or an old, unconquered one that is more important than the masses at home...always another chosen despot or regeigm that the CIA'S has fabricated and funded that threatens our way of life, while liberty and prosperity and other constitutional guarantees are slowly taken away here in the exceptional land of opportunity. We all see the elephant but no one sees the way to bring it down and remove it from the room, forever.

    This will give anyone a visual reality check and this also does not include the total of the world debt crises coming soon.

    Mar 20, 2017 Why does US national debt and total debt only and always increase?

    Showing stacks of physical cash in following sequence: $100, $10,000, $1 Million, $2 Billion, $1 Trillion, $20 Trillion. The faith and value of the US Dollar rests on the Government’s ability to repay its debt. “The money in the video has already been spent”

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  71. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Che Guava
    Sorry, no you are the one who hasn't the foggiest idea.

    I write from the interpretation of a Tudeh (Communist Party) member, who was there at the time, and had to leave later.

    I heard his words in first person, a conversation I remember well, much appreciated. and have no reason to think he was a liar.

    They had ministers in early cabinets of the current polity.

    Sorry, if you apply a little thought, you will see that my capsule narrative has much connection to truth.

    Idiotic abuse such as yours is simply idiotic.

    I write from the interpretation of a Tudeh (Communist Party) member, who was there at the time, and had to leave later.

    Key word is a.

    Your argument is from the particular to the general.

    Socrates is a man.
    Therefore all men are Socrates.

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    That is a ridiculous non-rebuttal.

    I cam see what is happening here.

    We have the pompously named 'MEexpert' (account fhve days old), you as an anonymous coward.

    It is amusing to see disinfo forces descend here, just over one article.
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  72. RobinG says:
    @L.K
    I know what you just did, troll.
    But listen, WTF has your idiotic obsession with Hitler and evil natzee cannibals have to do with ZUSA's invasion of Iraq in 03? That's right; Nothing. Seek help.
    Germany actually DID have a motive to go to war; Polish intransigence to negotiate the return of just a small part of German land stolen from Germany at the end of the Great war, and reconnect East Prussia again to the rest of the country. Cute too how you totally neglect to mention that the Soviet Union also invaded Poland and took more than half of the country.

    ZUSA's attack on Iraq otoh, like so many other dirty wars Zusa has fought over decades, had ZERO justification & was stupid even from ZUSA's own imperialistic interests, since it was actually a war it fought for the interests of its parasite, the zionists.

    “ZUSA’s attack on Iraq……. had ZERO justification & was stupid even from ZUSA’s own imperialistic interests….”

    Depends how you define ZUSA. The Deep State [in US and wherever] made huge profits from arms sales and other investments (think Cheney, Halliburton). And both the Zios and the Cold Warriors are pleased with the chaos.

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    Well, in that sense I guess you are correct.

    But I maintain that based on the evidence, the key instigators of the war were the zionists.

    Obviously there are overlapping interests and ZUSA's utterly corrupt and monstrous military industrial complex has been a huge problem since ww 2.
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  73. LJ says:
    @War for Blair Mountain
    Working Class Native Born White American Teenage Males who sign a US Army Military contract are signing their lives away to be used as canon fodder for the Jewish State of Israel wars af aggression in the Middle East...You will die a very painful pointless meaningless death in some Muslim hell-hole in the Middle East...It's just not worth it...


    Something like 11 trillion of our tax dollars have been spent destroying the civilian populations of several Muslim Nations in the Middle East...Nations that pose 0 threat to America....


    These trillions could have been spent providing free college education and job training for all you White Teenage Males thinking of signing the US Army contract....and these trillions could have spent providing you with free college education and job training many many times over....think about it...


    Other young White Men sir in NCAA DIV 1 football stadiums yelling "WHAT A STUD" at the football players down on the field......while you lie dying on the ground in Afghanistan...your body cut in half by a rocket propelled grenade....screaming for your mother...minutes later your life slips away into the coldness of eternal death....for what?...Sadly...a pointless...meaningless death....



    WAR IS A RACKET!!!

    Working Class Native Born White American Teenage Males who sign a US Army Military contract

    I am not sure why you single out white males: black, hispanic, or any other American males – native born or immigrant – who sign a contract with the US army fare exactly the same as the white males.

    … in some Muslim hell-hole in the Middle East…

    Before the USA invations of many of these countries, they were anything but hellholes. Often their citizens had many benefits not available to most USAmericans – such as universal free healthcare and education, infrastucture and utilities subsidized by their governments who thus shared with their citzens the wealth from the (oil) resources of the countries.

    It was not only in Iran that muslims lived peaceably with Christians and other faiths, but also Iraq, Libya, and Syria. Prior to the US invations of these countries, Sunni and Shia also managed to live together with little violence. So if US soldiers end up in a “Muslim hell-hole in the Middle East”, they can be certain it was NOT a hell-hole until they (the USA military) arrived on the scene.

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  74. LJ says:
    @TRex
    No country snubs the US and gets away with it!

    Cuba tried and has paid the penalty for 40 years.

    Iran tried and succeeded and the US has never forgotten.

    You don't insult the Mafia and get away with it.

    Cuba tried and has paid the penalty for 40 years.

    The price Cuba paid was indeed steep :

    No CIA trained and sponsored death sqads killing thousands of its citizens (as has happened in most other Central American countries.

    A fairly high standard of living for all its citizens, with a fairly egalitarian distribution of wealth – one of the most outstanding features visiting Cuba in contrast to other countries in the area was the lack of spawling destitute slums and bands of child beggars!

    A country that has one of the most balanced ecological footprints on earth, while still having high standards of medical care and education.

    Such a price!

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    Only a highly ideologically motivated person would deny the high price Cuba has paid for defying ZUSA's imperialistic ambitions and for maintaining its sovereignty.
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  75. LJ says:
    @L.K
    I know what you just did, troll.
    But listen, WTF has your idiotic obsession with Hitler and evil natzee cannibals have to do with ZUSA's invasion of Iraq in 03? That's right; Nothing. Seek help.
    Germany actually DID have a motive to go to war; Polish intransigence to negotiate the return of just a small part of German land stolen from Germany at the end of the Great war, and reconnect East Prussia again to the rest of the country. Cute too how you totally neglect to mention that the Soviet Union also invaded Poland and took more than half of the country.

    ZUSA's attack on Iraq otoh, like so many other dirty wars Zusa has fought over decades, had ZERO justification & was stupid even from ZUSA's own imperialistic interests, since it was actually a war it fought for the interests of its parasite, the zionists.

    ZUSA’s attack on Iraq otoh, like so many other dirty wars Zusa has fought over decades, had ZERO justification & was stupid even from ZUSA’s own imperialistic interests, since it was actually a war it fought for the interests of its parasite, the zionists.

    Iraq was selling oil for Euros, thus breaking the control of the US petro dollar, which had profound economic implications for the USA. Libya also tried to get off the US petro dollar. Syria, and before it, Afghanistan were favouring pipeline routes contrary to the routes planned by USA economic interests.

    While there may be zionist interests intermingled, it is absurd to pretend that USA interests were not served by these wars.

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    When you write "zionist interests intermingled", you make it seem as this zionist factor was quite a minor one.

    This is completely FALSE. The Zionist factor was the most DECISIVE one in causing the war on Iraq in 03.
    The Zionists are also the key people shaping and distorting US foreign policy in its pursuit for regime change in Syria and, consequently, in the disastrous imposed war on the country, as well as being the most important faction working for aggressive policies towards Iran.
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  76. LJ says:
    @jilles dykstra
    Hitler never intended to destroy Poland, he just wanted two things:
    - getting back the German city of Danzig
    - an overland connection with East Prussia
    The British guarantee to Poland was meant to provoke Hitler into attacking Poland, since this guarantee Poland refused any negotiation.
    On top of that, Poland did anything to provoke Hitler, such as firing on German passenger planes flying from Germany to Königsberg, the present Kalingrad.
    Hitler did not see the trap, Von Ribbentrop had assured him that GB would do nothing.
    Alas, when ambassador in GB, Von Ribbentrop just mixed with pro German British.

    Hitler never intended to destroy Poland, he just wanted two things:
    - getting back the German city of Danzig
    - an overland connection with East Prussia

    I’m not sure why Hitler and Poland have been dragged into this discussion, but that statement strikes me as an absurd re-imagining of history….I suppose Hitler never intended to destroy Czechoslovakia either, he just wanted the Sudetenland….

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    If you had bothered, you woulda noticed that it was the troll miro with his hitlerian obsession who dragged Poland into this.
    Dykstra is correct, you r wrong.
    History is a highly prostituted field and sadly generally completely abused and misused as a propaganda tool in the service of geopolitical, social and other agendas.
    It does not take a genius to understand that the victors wrote the "history" of WW2...
    Nonetheless, many serious and braver historians, including British and Americans, have fully documented the issues that I and Dykstra have mentioned.
    As for Czechoslovakia... no time to go into this quite complex subject but I shall point out the simple fact that this artificial state created to encircle Germany no longer exists... and that in the end, Hitler had nothing to do with it.
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  77. Sowhat says:
    @Jim Christian

    Everyone seems to have this huge blind spot where they automatically accept that the US has the right to travel thousands of miles around the world to engage in warfare with whatever country they please
     
    Take of the day, Anonymous. And still, follow the money. It's all very simple: in every bomb dropped, profit. Every bullet, every plane, every gallon of fuel, handsome profit. That's the driver of it all. Unfortunately, the profit-centers are also the folks that know how to kill those that aren't "automatically accepting", especially politicians that don't hew to their line. Reporters? Forget about it, stout opposition in the press simply doesn't exist. For reference, consider the last two to say no to a bullshit war: Jack and Robert Kennedy. The profit centers have had a yes-man in the White House ever since and the formerly-dovish press is now the primary drum-beater for war, always. The public is compliant because with manufacturing shipped out of the country, there are now lots of "volunteers" to do the fighting and so there is no draft. Since the citizens of the press and academia have none of THEIR precious spawn in the fight, there is no outcry against it. War is wonderful theater if you and yours aren't part of the fun. Perfect scam, Don Corleone would be proud of them. My theory is they take our new Presidents up to Arlington to lay a wreath, point up to Custis-Lee Mansion where the eternal flame is and note just how much MORE space there is for another martyr. Face it, a President is trapped once in the White House.

    Precisely what I invisioned them doing to Trump. “You and all of your offspring will find an early resting place and Trump’s will be no more. Is that what you choose, Mr. President?”

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  78. Sowhat says:
    @Agent76
    I can do one better than that and *All Wars are Bankers Wars*!

    Mar 25, 2016 WAR IS A LIE - David Swanson in Asheville March 25, 2016

    https://youtu.be/5GVjKUXcHIc

    Perpetual War was the plan and still is the plan of those with the purse-strings: 1938…the Rockefeller-paid thinkers were making designs for total global American hegemon employed Yale’s Spykman who put it, that wars enabled the conquering and subjugating of new markets, and that what the world called ‘peace’ was but a ‘temporary armistice’ or ceasefire in the continual war process, until prospects for looting a given area had reached relative limits and a new war of conquest became necessary.
    F. William Engdahl, The Gods of Money, 2009
    This has prevailed through the decades and answers the question: Why are we always at war?

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  79. Che Guava says:
    @Anonymous

    I write from the interpretation of a Tudeh (Communist Party) member, who was there at the time, and had to leave later.
     
    Key word is a.

    Your argument is from the particular to the general.

    Socrates is a man.
    Therefore all men are Socrates.

    That is a ridiculous non-rebuttal.

    I cam see what is happening here.

    We have the pompously named ‘MEexpert’ (account fhve days old), you as an anonymous coward.

    It is amusing to see disinfo forces descend here, just over one article.

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    Am agreeing with you to an extent on Iran (though I don't have your degree of firsthand info), but "MEexpert" has been around for a while ; I agree his username is somewhat pompous, but he's not a new account. Also based on site rules I don't think "Anonymous" is necessarily a coward, I've posted under that name myself in the past, not of course that I'm particularly brave.
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  80. @Ernul
    Excuses, excuses, excuses by the author for the poor Iranians. When someone attacks YOUR family, friends or loved ones, what do you do? "Head in the ground" it sound like. WHO cares why they do it. Simply make them STOP and punish them for the attacks. After justice is served, only then do the bleeding hearts get to ask them WHY? "EARTH TO THE AUTHOR", we tried it their way without result so now the bleeding hearts want to give the Iranians the benefit of doubt using our children and money all over again! Send your child to fight and should he/she come back in a body bag, blame yourself. ., because we've hear and tried it your way. (DUH)

    Do you have a clue on what you’re thinking and typing for all to read your idiocy? Maybe you should go back to your mama and start suckling again until you’re ready for kindergarten. Finish your pre-school and head out to a kibutz…or wherever Zionists like you hideout……

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  81. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @War for Blair Mountain
    I mentioned in my first post that I had gone to see Monty Python's Terry Jones a month earlier prior to going to see Cindy Sheehan at the Book Review in Huntington Long Island...


    Terry Jones gave a spectacularly funny talk-lecture-PowerPoint Presentation about his new book:"Who Murdered Chaucer".......


    Terry Jones central thesis for which he provided lots of strong-compelling circumstantial evidence was this this:Chaucer was murdered by the Black Prince..now the King of England....for subversive anti-war sentiments being expressed in Chaucer's Canterbury tales....this was the lead up to the War between England and France. Terry Jones argued that post-crushing of Wat Tyler's Peasant Revolt...the King of England was looking for a new source of revenue for his lavish life style...

    The King realized that the Old Trick of War is a Racket was his meal ticket...THAT'S THE TICKET!!...as they say.....Chaucer was a clever and subversive critic of this in his writings...The King dealt with this by declaring and implementing HERESEY LAWS!!! ...as a way of disposing of the opposition...Terry Jones argues that Geoffrey Chaucer all of a sudden exited the stage of History at this moment in English History....as a direct consequence of these new HERSEY LAWS!!

    I think you have risked slight befuddlement of your readers by spelling eccentricity (I fear the UR typo punisher will adapt and lash you in its updated version). I think the word you had in mind was “heresy” rather than either of your variants??? And why capitalise btw?

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  82. @Avery
     In 1953 US and UK launched operation Ajax, the overthrow of democratically elected Iranian president Mosaddegh.
    The CIA trained SAVAK, secret police of the US-installed Shah, terrorized the people of Iran for the next three decades or so. The reason Mosaddegh was overthrown and murdered was because he was going to nationalize Iranian oil. Iranians had had enough of US and UK looting their national wealth.


     In 1988 goaded and encouraged by US, Iraq's Saddam invaded Iran.
    US fully supported Iraq via satellite and other intelligence.
    US and UK also had previously supplied Iraq with chemical weapons, which Saddam used liberally against Iranians.
    Short of everything, Iranians fought like lions against the invaders.
    Because of Western embargoes, Iranians lacked all sorts of military hardware.
    With no mine clearing equipment, patriotic Iranian teenagers cleared landmines with their own lives, so that valuable experienced troops could be saved to fight the invaders.
    About 1 million Iranians were killed in the 8 year war.

     In 1988, USS Vincennes operating near or in Iranian territorial waters shot down Iran Air 655.
    Ostensibly by mistake.
    All 290 people on board, including children, were killed.
    The commander of Vincenens was award a medal by POTUS: for killing Iranian civilians.

     In 2016 two US navy patrol boats, which supposedly had equipment failure, were captured by Iranians _inside_ their territorial waters.
    After the sailors were fed and treated by Iranians as guests, they were released.

     US Navy has a large and aggressive presence in the Persian Gulf, where it routinely creates 'incidents' with Iranian navy. The idea being to try to create a ‘Maddox incident’ so USAF can start carpet bombing Iranian cities.
    btw: No Iranian warships are operating in the Gulf of Mexico as of May 2017.
    btw2: distance from Gulf of Mexico to Persian Gulf ~7,000 miles. DUH.

    Hi Avery, you’re preaching to a Zionist infant, for over two millennia his tribe enjoyed peace and prosperity in Iran, and they still do. Look at their treachery, they’ll drop anyone like a hot potato if they don’t serve their interest. They have no friends but GOLD. We’ll end up the same way once our servitude is deemed “useless”

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  83. MarkinLA says:

    The local militia had shredded our truck with an advanced type of improvised explosive device that was then just hitting the streets of Baghdad — an explosively formed projectile, or EFP. These would ultimately kill hundreds of American troops. Those EFPs and the requisite training to use them were provided to Iraqi militias by the Islamic Republic of Iran. It’s a detail I’m not likely to forget.

    I wonder if there was some Iranian saying in Farsi: “We have to fight them there or we will have to fight them here”.

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  84. @Miro23

    So, Mr. Sjursen,

    What the hell were you doing in East Baghdad, January 25, 2007??

    Oh yeah, you & your men were invaders and occupiers, accessories in an illegal, unprovoked war of aggression.

    Funny also how you manage to not say a thing about the key destabilizing country in the M.E, that is Israel… and Israel’s organic 5th column inside ZUSA, which is the main factor why you and your boys ended up in Baghdad , on Jan 25, 07.
     
    It's not at all irrational to vilify Iran if you intend to destroy it - Hitler did the same to Poland prior to his attack on that country. It's standard procedure to demean and vilify the people who's land and property you intend to steal .

    The difference is that Hitler used German resources and troops, whereas Israel (through its US based traitors and collaborators) uses American resources and troops while having a laugh vilifying and demeaning Deplorables like Sjursen who are expected to do the fighting.

    It’s not at all irrational to vilify Iran if you intend to destroy it – Hitler did the same to Poland prior to his attack on that country. It’s standard procedure to demean and vilify the people who’s land and property you intend to steal .

    Can you cite/quote the instances of “vilifying Poland?” There was a genuine conflict between the Poles and Germans. According to Maj. Gen. Gerd Schultze-Rhonhof, the NSDAP made numerous attempts to settle the conflict nonviolently. In a recent speech, Max Hastings, one of Queen Elizabeth’s favorite historians, said just that: that the Germans offered extremely generous terms to the Poles to settle the Danzig question. That’s not consistent with “demean and vilify . . .”

    Also, would you concede that “irrational” is a poor word choice for the phenomenon you describe? “Standard procedure” gets closer to the reality, especially if USA history is consulted.

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    It’s not at all irrational to vilify Iran if you intend to destroy it – Hitler did the same to Poland prior to his attack on that country. It’s standard procedure to demean and vilify the people who’s land and property you intend to steal,
     
    Can you cite/quote the instances of “vilifying Poland?” There was a genuine conflict between the Poles and Germans. According to Maj. Gen. Gerd Schultze-Rhonhof, the NSDAP made numerous attempts to settle the conflict nonviolently. In a recent speech, Max Hastings, one of Queen Elizabeth’s favorite historians, said just that: that the Germans offered extremely generous terms to the Poles to settle the Danzig question. That’s not consistent with “demean and vilify . . .”

    Also, would you concede that “irrational” is a poor word choice for the phenomenon you describe? “Standard procedure” gets closer to the reality, especially if USA history is consulted.
     
    If you read this article and thread it's clear that the reality of Iran is nothing like the propagandized version received by the American public. The approved "Goodthinker " view is that Iran is full of crazy Islamic terrorists plotting to build a nuclear missiles and destroy the US (or at least Israel) and the US has to launch a preemptive strike against the country in the interests of World Peace and to protect their best friend in the Middle East.

    In this context it's not "irrational" to demonize Iran (as Sjursen suggests). The object of the Neo-con propaganda is to provide a psychological justification to the US public for killing 100.000's of Iranian civilians the same as they did (using the US military) in Iraq. When they've done it a few time it becomes standard procedure.

    Poland is a bit off topic, but since you asked the question, "Can you cite/quote the instances of (Hitler) “vilifying Poland?”

    SLAVS - (281) "As for the ridiculous hundred million Slavs, we will mould the best of them to the shape that suits us, and we will isolate the rest of them in their own pigstys; and anyone who talks about cherishing the local inhabitant and civilising him, goes straight off into a concentration camp!"

    POLES - (119) "As regards the Pole it's lucky for us that he's idle stupid and vain."

    EASTERN EMPIRE - (25) "I see there (Russia - including Poland) the greatest possibilities for the creation of an empire of worldwide importance." - "The country we are engaged in conquering will be a source of raw materials for us, and a market for our products, but we shall take good care not to industrialize it." (53) "To exploit the Ukraine properly - that new Indian Empire - I need only peace in the West.

    SUBJECT PEOPLES - (20) The Germans - this is essential - will have to constitute among themselves a closed society, like a fortress. The least of our stable-lads must be superior to any native." (11) "We'll take the Southern part of the Ukraine, especially the Crimea, and make it an exclusively German colony. There'll be no harm in pushing out the population that's there now. The German colonist must be the soldier-peasant and for that I'll take professional soldiers, whatever their line may have been previously."

    GERMAN COLONISTS - (17) All around the city to a depth of thirty to forty kilometers we shall have a belt of handsome villages connected by the best roads. What exists beyond that will be another world, in which we mean to let the Russians (and Poles) live as they like. It is merely necessary that we should rule them."

    MOSCOW & ST. PETERSBURG - (617) "The foundation of St. Petersburg by Peter the Great was a fatal event in the history of Europe; and St. Petersburg must therefore disappear utterly from the earth's surface. Moscow too. Then the Russians will retire to Siberia." Hitler actually managed to control WARSAW and turned it to rubble.

    On 31st August 1939 Hitler signed the orders for the initiation of Case White plans for the invasion of Poland, to commence the following day. To provide a pretext for invasion, SD chief Reinhard Heydrich was assigned to Operation Himmler. The plan called for SS troops dressed in Polish uniforms to attack the radio station in Gleiwitz and broadcast inflammatory statements summoning the Polish minority in eastern Germany to take up arms against Hitler. To add further realism, the bodies of several concentration camp inmates outfitted in Polish uniforms were left behind as proof to display to foreign correspondents (Steven Zalonga 1991).

    No doubt that Stalin was Germany's chief partner from 1939 to 1941, and of all the combatant countries in WW2, Poland was the one that lost by far the largest proportion of its people. It's losses in per capita terms were almost twice as high as the Soviet Union. What is more, the ratio of Jewish to non-Jewish deaths in Poland was virtually 1:1. For every Polish Jew who perished in the Holocaust, there was a Gentile Polish citizen who had perished in one or other of the many wartime horrors (Norman Davies 2012).
    , @Incitatus
    Still selling the same ‘Dolf the victim routine’? Invoking Bundeswehr Generalmajor and amateur/celebrity historian Gerd Schultze-Rhonhof? Fourth Reich in the pipeline?

    “the NSDAP made numerous attempts to settle the conflict [Danzig] nonviolently.”

    Yes, indeed. The Czechs learned first hand the value of Dolf’s word (as did the Brits and the rest of the world). Tell us S2C, What about:

    “I am resolved to remove from the German frontiers the element of uncertainty, the everlasting atmosphere of conditions resembling civil war. I will see to it that in the East there is, on the frontier, a peace precisely similar to that on our other frontiers.”

    “In this I will take the necessary measures to se that they do not contradict the proposals I have already made known in the Reichstag itself to the rest of the world, that is to say, I will not war against women and children. I have ordered my air force to restrict itself to attacks on military objectives. If, however, the enemy thinks he can form that draw carte blanche on his side to fight by the other methods he will receive an answer that will deprive him of hearing and sight.”

    -Adolf Hitler Speech to the Reichstag 1 Sep 1939

    Fine words! A peacemaker and reluctant warrior! Here’s what he said to his corps commanders scare a week before:

    “Close your hearts to pity! Act brutally!..Be harsh and remorseless! Be steeled against all signs of compassion! ...[I want] the physical annihilation of the enemy...I have put my Death’s Head formations at the lead with the command to send man, woman, and child of Polish descent and language to their deaths, pitilessly and remorselessly.”
    -Adolf Hitler address to military commanders prior to Case White 21 Aug 1939

    That’s right! The opposite of what he’d promised! Just like Czechoslovakia ‘38-39!

    Golly, S2C. Why’d Dolf want to exterminate Poles? Find a Polish hair in his vegetable soup? Eva enamored with a rogue Polish rival?

    Why (contrary to his word) did he invade remnant Czechoslovakia Mar ‘39? How does Generalmajor Gerd Schultze-Rhonhof perfume that odious stench? Dolf “made numerous attempts to settle the conflict nonviolently”?

    S2C, do you think Poles mistrusted Dolf after Czechoslovakia? It’s a big question, I know. Pretend you’re a Pole and it’s April 1939. Any answer?
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  85. […] is up to something that he’s not telling the public. Trying to act on a sectarian schism is The Alt-right are already critical very, very dangerous […]

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  86. RSDB says:
    @Che Guava
    That is a ridiculous non-rebuttal.

    I cam see what is happening here.

    We have the pompously named 'MEexpert' (account fhve days old), you as an anonymous coward.

    It is amusing to see disinfo forces descend here, just over one article.

    Am agreeing with you to an extent on Iran (though I don’t have your degree of firsthand info), but “MEexpert” has been around for a while ; I agree his username is somewhat pompous, but he’s not a new account. Also based on site rules I don’t think “Anonymous” is necessarily a coward, I’ve posted under that name myself in the past, not of course that I’m particularly brave.

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  87. L.K says:
    @LJ

    Hitler never intended to destroy Poland, he just wanted two things:
    - getting back the German city of Danzig
    - an overland connection with East Prussia
     
    I'm not sure why Hitler and Poland have been dragged into this discussion, but that statement strikes me as an absurd re-imagining of history....I suppose Hitler never intended to destroy Czechoslovakia either, he just wanted the Sudetenland....

    If you had bothered, you woulda noticed that it was the troll miro with his hitlerian obsession who dragged Poland into this.
    Dykstra is correct, you r wrong.
    History is a highly prostituted field and sadly generally completely abused and misused as a propaganda tool in the service of geopolitical, social and other agendas.
    It does not take a genius to understand that the victors wrote the “history” of WW2…
    Nonetheless, many serious and braver historians, including British and Americans, have fully documented the issues that I and Dykstra have mentioned.
    As for Czechoslovakia… no time to go into this quite complex subject but I shall point out the simple fact that this artificial state created to encircle Germany no longer exists… and that in the end, Hitler had nothing to do with it.

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  88. L.K says:
    @LJ

    ZUSA’s attack on Iraq otoh, like so many other dirty wars Zusa has fought over decades, had ZERO justification & was stupid even from ZUSA’s own imperialistic interests, since it was actually a war it fought for the interests of its parasite, the zionists.
     
    Iraq was selling oil for Euros, thus breaking the control of the US petro dollar, which had profound economic implications for the USA. Libya also tried to get off the US petro dollar. Syria, and before it, Afghanistan were favouring pipeline routes contrary to the routes planned by USA economic interests.

    While there may be zionist interests intermingled, it is absurd to pretend that USA interests were not served by these wars.

    When you write “zionist interests intermingled”, you make it seem as this zionist factor was quite a minor one.

    This is completely FALSE. The Zionist factor was the most DECISIVE one in causing the war on Iraq in 03.
    The Zionists are also the key people shaping and distorting US foreign policy in its pursuit for regime change in Syria and, consequently, in the disastrous imposed war on the country, as well as being the most important faction working for aggressive policies towards Iran.

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  89. L.K says:
    @LJ

    Cuba tried and has paid the penalty for 40 years.
     
    The price Cuba paid was indeed steep :

    No CIA trained and sponsored death sqads killing thousands of its citizens (as has happened in most other Central American countries.

    A fairly high standard of living for all its citizens, with a fairly egalitarian distribution of wealth - one of the most outstanding features visiting Cuba in contrast to other countries in the area was the lack of spawling destitute slums and bands of child beggars!

    A country that has one of the most balanced ecological footprints on earth, while still having high standards of medical care and education.

    Such a price!

    Only a highly ideologically motivated person would deny the high price Cuba has paid for defying ZUSA’s imperialistic ambitions and for maintaining its sovereignty.

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  90. L.K says:
    @RobinG
    "ZUSA’s attack on Iraq....... had ZERO justification & was stupid even from ZUSA’s own imperialistic interests...."

    Depends how you define ZUSA. The Deep State [in US and wherever] made huge profits from arms sales and other investments (think Cheney, Halliburton). And both the Zios and the Cold Warriors are pleased with the chaos.

    Well, in that sense I guess you are correct.

    But I maintain that based on the evidence, the key instigators of the war were the zionists.

    Obviously there are overlapping interests and ZUSA’s utterly corrupt and monstrous military industrial complex has been a huge problem since ww 2.

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  91. @L.K
    I know what you just did, troll.
    But listen, WTF has your idiotic obsession with Hitler and evil natzee cannibals have to do with ZUSA's invasion of Iraq in 03? That's right; Nothing. Seek help.
    Germany actually DID have a motive to go to war; Polish intransigence to negotiate the return of just a small part of German land stolen from Germany at the end of the Great war, and reconnect East Prussia again to the rest of the country. Cute too how you totally neglect to mention that the Soviet Union also invaded Poland and took more than half of the country.

    ZUSA's attack on Iraq otoh, like so many other dirty wars Zusa has fought over decades, had ZERO justification & was stupid even from ZUSA's own imperialistic interests, since it was actually a war it fought for the interests of its parasite, the zionists.

    …Germany actually DID have a motive to go to war…

    I thank you and StoC for your replies, which are correct.

    Germany had been threatened as well by internal and external forms of Communism and thus had much more justification for going to war than the US has ever had. Hitler was a piker compared to the US, Soviet and Brit leadership and I’m astonished to think that isn’t plain to all.

    On a slightly different note, I’m asking all those who think American involvement with Iran began in 1953 to hit the history books. Back in the first part of the last century Iran was trying to modernize but was constantly being jacked around by the Brits and the Soviets (like the Russians before them), so turned to Germany for help. That wasn’t exactly approved by the Brits or the Soviets so Germany got the boot and was replaced by Americans who also got the boot for similar reasons.

    Then, 3 months prior to the attack on Pearl, the “Allies” launched a surprise attack on neutral Iran, destroyed its tiny navy, took over the oilfields and refineries and ran the country. They then built the Persian Corridor through which they supplied Stalin with enough war materiel to support 60 Soviet divisions. Uncle Joey got everything from clothes and ammo to railroad equipment such as locomotives and rolling stock and he also got planes and spare parts.

    Iran is no more the enemy to the West than Vietnam ever was, and neither were Germany or Japan.

    The German-Polish war had come out of a quarrel over a town the size of Ocean City, Md., in summer. Danzig, 95 percent German, had been severed from Germany at Versailles in violation of Woodrow Wilson’s principle of self-determination. Even British leaders thought Danzig should be returned.
    …Was Danzig worth a war? Unlike the 7 million Hong Kongese whom the British surrendered to Beijing, who didn’t want to go, the Danzigers were clamoring to return to Germany. [As were several other populations in countries surrounding Germany.]

    -Patrick J. Buchanan , Did Hitler Want War?

    http://buchanan.org/blog/did-hitler-want-war-2068

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  92. Miro23 says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    It’s not at all irrational to vilify Iran if you intend to destroy it – Hitler did the same to Poland prior to his attack on that country. It’s standard procedure to demean and vilify the people who’s land and property you intend to steal .
     
    Can you cite/quote the instances of "vilifying Poland?" There was a genuine conflict between the Poles and Germans. According to Maj. Gen. Gerd Schultze-Rhonhof, the NSDAP made numerous attempts to settle the conflict nonviolently. In a recent speech, Max Hastings, one of Queen Elizabeth's favorite historians, said just that: that the Germans offered extremely generous terms to the Poles to settle the Danzig question. That's not consistent with "demean and vilify . . ."

    ---

    Also, would you concede that "irrational" is a poor word choice for the phenomenon you describe? "Standard procedure" gets closer to the reality, especially if USA history is consulted.

    It’s not at all irrational to vilify Iran if you intend to destroy it – Hitler did the same to Poland prior to his attack on that country. It’s standard procedure to demean and vilify the people who’s land and property you intend to steal,

    Can you cite/quote the instances of “vilifying Poland?” There was a genuine conflict between the Poles and Germans. According to Maj. Gen. Gerd Schultze-Rhonhof, the NSDAP made numerous attempts to settle the conflict nonviolently. In a recent speech, Max Hastings, one of Queen Elizabeth’s favorite historians, said just that: that the Germans offered extremely generous terms to the Poles to settle the Danzig question. That’s not consistent with “demean and vilify . . .”

    Also, would you concede that “irrational” is a poor word choice for the phenomenon you describe? “Standard procedure” gets closer to the reality, especially if USA history is consulted.

    If you read this article and thread it’s clear that the reality of Iran is nothing like the propagandized version received by the American public. The approved “Goodthinker ” view is that Iran is full of crazy Islamic terrorists plotting to build a nuclear missiles and destroy the US (or at least Israel) and the US has to launch a preemptive strike against the country in the interests of World Peace and to protect their best friend in the Middle East.

    In this context it’s not “irrational” to demonize Iran (as Sjursen suggests). The object of the Neo-con propaganda is to provide a psychological justification to the US public for killing 100.000′s of Iranian civilians the same as they did (using the US military) in Iraq. When they’ve done it a few time it becomes standard procedure.

    Poland is a bit off topic, but since you asked the question, “Can you cite/quote the instances of (Hitler) “vilifying Poland?”

    SLAVS – (281) “As for the ridiculous hundred million Slavs, we will mould the best of them to the shape that suits us, and we will isolate the rest of them in their own pigstys; and anyone who talks about cherishing the local inhabitant and civilising him, goes straight off into a concentration camp!”

    POLES – (119) “As regards the Pole it’s lucky for us that he’s idle stupid and vain.”

    EASTERN EMPIRE – (25) “I see there (Russia – including Poland) the greatest possibilities for the creation of an empire of worldwide importance.” – “The country we are engaged in conquering will be a source of raw materials for us, and a market for our products, but we shall take good care not to industrialize it.” (53) “To exploit the Ukraine properly – that new Indian Empire – I need only peace in the West.

    SUBJECT PEOPLES – (20) The Germans – this is essential – will have to constitute among themselves a closed society, like a fortress. The least of our stable-lads must be superior to any native.” (11) “We’ll take the Southern part of the Ukraine, especially the Crimea, and make it an exclusively German colony. There’ll be no harm in pushing out the population that’s there now. The German colonist must be the soldier-peasant and for that I’ll take professional soldiers, whatever their line may have been previously.”

    GERMAN COLONISTS – (17) All around the city to a depth of thirty to forty kilometers we shall have a belt of handsome villages connected by the best roads. What exists beyond that will be another world, in which we mean to let the Russians (and Poles) live as they like. It is merely necessary that we should rule them.”

    MOSCOW & ST. PETERSBURG – (617) “The foundation of St. Petersburg by Peter the Great was a fatal event in the history of Europe; and St. Petersburg must therefore disappear utterly from the earth’s surface. Moscow too. Then the Russians will retire to Siberia.” Hitler actually managed to control WARSAW and turned it to rubble.

    On 31st August 1939 Hitler signed the orders for the initiation of Case White plans for the invasion of Poland, to commence the following day. To provide a pretext for invasion, SD chief Reinhard Heydrich was assigned to Operation Himmler. The plan called for SS troops dressed in Polish uniforms to attack the radio station in Gleiwitz and broadcast inflammatory statements summoning the Polish minority in eastern Germany to take up arms against Hitler. To add further realism, the bodies of several concentration camp inmates outfitted in Polish uniforms were left behind as proof to display to foreign correspondents (Steven Zalonga 1991).

    No doubt that Stalin was Germany’s chief partner from 1939 to 1941, and of all the combatant countries in WW2, Poland was the one that lost by far the largest proportion of its people. It’s losses in per capita terms were almost twice as high as the Soviet Union. What is more, the ratio of Jewish to non-Jewish deaths in Poland was virtually 1:1. For every Polish Jew who perished in the Holocaust, there was a Gentile Polish citizen who had perished in one or other of the many wartime horrors (Norman Davies 2012).

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  93. Incitatus says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    It’s not at all irrational to vilify Iran if you intend to destroy it – Hitler did the same to Poland prior to his attack on that country. It’s standard procedure to demean and vilify the people who’s land and property you intend to steal .
     
    Can you cite/quote the instances of "vilifying Poland?" There was a genuine conflict between the Poles and Germans. According to Maj. Gen. Gerd Schultze-Rhonhof, the NSDAP made numerous attempts to settle the conflict nonviolently. In a recent speech, Max Hastings, one of Queen Elizabeth's favorite historians, said just that: that the Germans offered extremely generous terms to the Poles to settle the Danzig question. That's not consistent with "demean and vilify . . ."

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    Also, would you concede that "irrational" is a poor word choice for the phenomenon you describe? "Standard procedure" gets closer to the reality, especially if USA history is consulted.

    Still selling the same ‘Dolf the victim routine’? Invoking Bundeswehr Generalmajor and amateur/celebrity historian Gerd Schultze-Rhonhof? Fourth Reich in the pipeline?

    “the NSDAP made numerous attempts to settle the conflict [Danzig] nonviolently.”

    Yes, indeed. The Czechs learned first hand the value of Dolf’s word (as did the Brits and the rest of the world). Tell us S2C, What about:

    “I am resolved to remove from the German frontiers the element of uncertainty, the everlasting atmosphere of conditions resembling civil war. I will see to it that in the East there is, on the frontier, a peace precisely similar to that on our other frontiers.”

    “In this I will take the necessary measures to se that they do not contradict the proposals I have already made known in the Reichstag itself to the rest of the world, that is to say, I will not war against women and children. I have ordered my air force to restrict itself to attacks on military objectives. If, however, the enemy thinks he can form that draw carte blanche on his side to fight by the other methods he will receive an answer that will deprive him of hearing and sight.”
    -Adolf Hitler Speech to the Reichstag 1 Sep 1939

    Fine words! A peacemaker and reluctant warrior! Here’s what he said to his corps commanders scare a week before:

    “Close your hearts to pity! Act brutally!..Be harsh and remorseless! Be steeled against all signs of compassion! …[I want] the physical annihilation of the enemy…I have put my Death’s Head formations at the lead with the command to send man, woman, and child of Polish descent and language to their deaths, pitilessly and remorselessly.”
    -Adolf Hitler address to military commanders prior to Case White 21 Aug 1939

    That’s right! The opposite of what he’d promised! Just like Czechoslovakia ‘38-39!

    Golly, S2C. Why’d Dolf want to exterminate Poles? Find a Polish hair in his vegetable soup? Eva enamored with a rogue Polish rival?

    Why (contrary to his word) did he invade remnant Czechoslovakia Mar ‘39? How does Generalmajor Gerd Schultze-Rhonhof perfume that odious stench? Dolf “made numerous attempts to settle the conflict nonviolently”?

    S2C, do you think Poles mistrusted Dolf after Czechoslovakia? It’s a big question, I know. Pretend you’re a Pole and it’s April 1939. Any answer?

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  94. eastman says:
    @ANON
    Correct : Israel considers Iran to be its #1 enemy. Therefore Iran must be the #1 enemy of the USA as well.

    as long as Netanyahu is power people will die and he will manipulate the political system in US by coming to US Congress with bs aggrandising the fools in DC to do is satanic bidding before that, the enemy was Iraq, then Lybia, Syria… till subversion of 7 countries noted by Gen Leslie Clark are complete. US has become Israelis enforcer

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  95. Kul says:
    @Pachyderm Pachyderma
    You forgot to mention the 'Sikh (actually, Sikhni) Whore', Nikki Haley at the UN doing the bidding for...

    But seriously, who profited the most from the 11 trillion (your estimate, not mine) spent in those wars? You have to do forensic analysis of who actually owns the stocks in those companies to find out who has gotten the dough...

    Why touch on religion or cultural identity of a person. Not good person. Write in general be independent in your view without prejudice. Otherwise you will be judged as an arsehole writer, understand

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