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Earlier by Charlottesville Survivor: THE SYSTEM REPUDIATED: City’s Own Report Confirms Charlottesville Police, Politicians Conspired To Suppress Unite The Right Rally

The “Alt Right” is “self-destructing” according to the Daily Beast [Less Than A Year After Charlottesville, the Alt-Right Is Self-Destructing, by Kelly Weill, March 29, 2018]. Slavishly quoting hideous Heidi Beirich of the Southern Poverty Law Center and the $PLC’s questionable claims about the supposed rise of “hate groups,” Weil claims legal trouble is the key factor driving many Alt Right supporters out of the movement, dishonestly implying they brought this on themselves. But in fact what is happening is systematic government repression—politicized law enforcement is working in de facto alliance with violent Totalitarian Left to shut down peaceful dissent.

The catalyst for the Beast’s article: Richard Spencer’s March 5th, 2018 attempt to speak at Michigan State University. The result was a bloody mess as protesters and would-be attendees clashed in the streets, resulting in many arrests.

Spencer argued this violence was contrary to his intention:

The college tour is not about pitched battles, it is about intellectual activity and, until something changes, I’m going to have to rethink how I do this… Antifa are going to do their thing, and if the campus police and the state police and the local police aren’t ultimately willing to open up a corridor [for Spencer’s audience to enter] then I don’t want to repeat Michigan [State]. (Emphasis added)

[Richard Spencer rethinking plans to visit UM after violence at MSU, by Martin Slagter, MLive, March 12, 2018]

Disgracefully, the street fights were taken by ostensibly mainstream journalists as proof of the effectiveness of violent Antifa tactics. For example, Natasha Lennard at The Intercept crowed, “Is Antifa Counterproductive? White nationalist Richard Spencer would beg to differ, March 17, 2018]. She further made an all-but-explicit endorsement of expanded vigilante tactics: “If ‘alt-right’ speakers do go ‘underground,’ [i.e. hold meetings in private] where they will lack police lines and university establishment protections, Antifa will be sure to follow them there, too,” she wrote.

The retort is obvious: what “police lines and university establishment protections?” As in Charlottesville itself, the issue is not that the Right cannot protect itself—it did so very effectively in the Battle of Berkeley. It’s that the Right is not permitted to protect itself.

At Unite The Right, there would have been less violence and fewer injuries if the police had simply abandoned the city altogether and let UTR participants themselves guard the perimeter. Instead, police literally pushed combatants into each other and in what then Charlottesville police chief Al Thomas subsequently admitted was a deliberate attempt to cause chaos.

The same occurred at Michigan State—aptly described as a “mini-Charlottesville.” Video suggests Greg Conte, Richard Spencer’s colleague, was trying to separate dueling groups, essentially doing the police’s job for them. When he is confronted by a mob, the police are nowhere to be seen. However, when he asks them why police aren’t doing their job, Conte is swarmed by police and arrested and now charged, absurdly, with resisting arrest, among other things.

The center-right site Twitchy is attempting to portray these events as a kind of victory for mainstream conservatism: “The Daily Beast can’t paint all conservatives and right-wingers as the alt-right anymore,” it proclaimed [SWEET Schadenfreude! The Daily Beast TOTES confused that the alt-right really was JUST a fringe group, by Sam J, April 2, 2018].

This is ridiculous. The Respectable Right will continue to be called “racist” or “linked to white nationalists” until the fall of the Republic itself.

And Establishment conservatives should recognize the same kinds of tactics are already being used against them. Beltway Right organizations have complained for years about how even milquetoast speakers are essentially banned because of the threat of Antifa violence. Instead of protecting speakers, campuses attempt to charge conservative groups outrageous “security fees”—essentially penalizing conservatives and libertarians because of the actions of their opponents. And it’s getting worse—ask Charles Murray, Heather Mac Donald, Christina Hoff-Sommers, and Ben Shapiro.

But this is precisely what has also happened to Alt Right events. Antifa create a dangerous situation and Leftist journalists blame the victims for showing up. Consider how Reveal News frames the pattern:

Alt-right rallies had drawn violence before the deadly August rally in Virginia. But afterward, members of the Antifa – a loose-knit anti-racist movement – increasingly started facing off against Spencer and his cohorts whenever they appeared in public. Those confrontations, as Spencer notes, have become increasingly violent, with campuses incurring hundreds of thousands of dollars in costs to provide extra security for Spencer and his team.

[The Hate Report: The alt-right is a mess, by Will Carless and Aaron Sankin, March 23, 2018]

Saying “Alt-right rallies had drawn violence” is like saying those German women in Cologne had “drawn sexual assault.”

Most schools simply want to avoid trouble and generally try to evade conservative speakers, “Alt Right” or not. They only back down in the face of legal action.

But what if no lawyers are willing to take the case? The lawyer who enabled Richard Spencer’s Michigan State event, Kyle Bristow, left politics altogether after an intensive media campaign—and, sources tell me, Antifa threats against Bristow and his family. Bristow himself hints at this when he complains “there is a side to the story which the media is not telling”. [Richard Spencer’s attorney leaves ‘ideas’ foundation, Detroit News, March 3, 2018]

For that matter, even President Trump is having a hard time attracting lawyers [An unheard-of problem: The President can’t find a lawyer, by Katelyn Polantz, CNN, March 28, 2018]. Some of this could be due to fears he would be difficult to represent as a client. However, as happened with the refusal of any major law firms to defend traditional marriage, many lawyers simply don’t want to become media targets for defending a client whom journalists want to destroy. Lawyers who represent those whom journalists consider “far right” become labeled “Far Right” themselves [No Counsel for White Men, by Gregory Hood, American Renaissance, November 28, 2017]. Of course, this is a collapse of the ethics that the profession has prided itself on since Patriot leader John Adams defended (successfully) the British soldiers accused of the Boston Massacre.

In contrast, thanks to groups such as the longtime Communist front National Lawyers Guild, Antifa can be confident of having legal representation no matter what they do.

And the result is essentially that Antifa are allowed to do whatever they want.

Thus six defendants accused of rioting on President Trump’s Inauguration Day were let off the hook after receiving heavy assistance from a federal judge. It actually appears that, in our capital city, the U.S. justice system is going to fail to punish the Leftists who tried to shut down the Presidential Inauguration although they had openly bragged about their intention to disrupt it.

Similarly, In Charlottesville, a judge let Deandre Harris off the hook even after a video showed him deliberately swinging a weapon at an elderly man.

Indeed, it’s increasingly clear that Antifa is a brand for random acts of street violence in which thuggery for its own sake is justified with vague Leftist slogans. Antifa can’t even keep from beating each other up. According to a group calling itself Great Lakes Antifa, a member of its group was beaten by the member of another group based on accusations of being a “Nazi infiltrator.” (Those involved are referred to by letters in the blog post.

J&P, without consensus from the group, lured T to a secondary location where he was jumped and beaten by J with impunity.

We want to take a moment here to try to articulate the impact this had on the collectives: Nashville Antifa had never drawn blood on a fascist to this point, and one of the elder members of the group had beaten a 20-year-old activist for a perceived crime with no evidence.

[Silence Broken, Great Lakes Antifa, March 9, 2018]

What they are complaining about? Isn’t beating up random people based on accusations of Nazism isn’t what Antifa is all about?

Bottom line: even under a supposedly patriot president, politicized police seem to be allowing Antifa violence and instead attacking the victims. Gleeful MSM reporter/ activists can credit Antifa with repressing the Alt Right, but the masked thugs themselves aren’t the ultimate threat. They are in effect serving as the paramilitaries for the local authorities, preventing events which the City Fathers don’t want to happen anyway.

Thus, the Alt Right is in the impossible situation where masked anarchists are given the protection of law and are coddled by the courts, but demonstrators who simply want to express increasingly popular views can’t even obtain counsel.

Ultimately, this raises the same question as does mass illegal immigration: Is this a country of laws or not?

And if the latter, why are only patriots expected to play by the rules?

Charlottesville Survivor [Email him] is a white man who voted for Trump. The Left hates all white men who voted for Trump, whether they were in Charlottesville or not.

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  1. AndrewR says:

    Civil war will come soon enough. The catalyst will likely be an economic depression, and that depression need only be deep enough to shut off the EBT spigot.

    I’d be lying if I said that I’m not ready to get it over with. Some days, I would go as far as to say I am looking forward to it. It won’t be pretty, but nor will any future under the increasingly totalitarian left. The right us talking about muh constitution and muh laws, while the left wants its opponents dead. What compromise is to be had?

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    People had the exact same talking points 50 years ago, Chicken Little.
    , @Dante
    I read and agreed with your comment and just wanted to get your opinion of how might a civil war play out in your opinion ? It's gets mentioned a lot but I can't find anyone saying how it might come about. Mark Yuray thinks it's unlikely but I think it will happen just not sure what it might look like. Cheers
    , @Anonymous

    Civil war will come soon enough.
     
    No it won't. That's not to say a civil war will never happen, but it won't be any time soon. Name one established militant group or militia and their leaders and give me an outline of their ideology. Now name one one established militant group or militia and their leaders that is opposed to the first group and give me an outline of their ideology.

    You can't name any potential belligerents because none exist at this point. When people are pissed off and motivated enough to stop bullshitting on the internet and hit the streets in their hundreds of thousands and present clearly articulated demands they wont back down from and are shot at by police or opposition instigators in a downward spiral of violence then you can start ruminating about civil war.

    Snowflake college students who are so afraid of life they need "safe spaces" and a few lightweight antifa thug "warriors" versus preppy ethnic nationalist and conservative public speakers and a handful of their angrier supporters are gonna kick off a civil war? Right...and the causes they are prepared to kill and die for are, what, "diversity" and "inclusive spaces" versus the right to speak freely as per the 1st amendment?

    Free speech is definitely a worthy cause but it takes a bit more to get thousands of people fired up enough to take up arms and form organized fighting groups. The snowflake antifa faction only "fight" if they know the cops are going to protect them and mommy is going to serve them ice tea after.

    So yeah, no civil war coming up any time soon.

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  3. The alt-right had already gone to shit before Charlottesville. How the fuck are you going to sell nationalism when you have self-appointed leaders nobody in their right mind would want to associate with? What the fuck were those rallies suppose to achieve? Why not meet up and just talk to each other? There is no plan except to make noise. The alt-right died when it went from whispering to banging pots and pans. Richard Spencer had 100x the influence alternativeright and radix than he did making a complete fucking fool of himself in public.

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    Exactly. What are these rallies supposed to accomplish other than simply furnishing the government and the antifa goons with targets? I am not sold Richard Spencer's methods.
    , @Anonymous
    Spencer and the other leftist media-appointed "leaders of the Alt Right" aren't selling American nationalism. They are trying to sell the forced deportation of "non-White" United States citizens and the creation of a Whites-only nation-state.
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  4. Great article. Important article. The police, the courts, countless bureaucrats and government officials, and of course (((progressive))) news sites and journalists are all in bed with antifa thuggery.

    What unscrupulous tactic won’t they employ to deny us our right to Free Speech and Public Assembly?

    And these slimy co-conspirators have the temerity to call us ‘far right’.

    Their malicious lies and propaganda are unending.

    Shame on these anti-white scumbags. Their ruthlessness is an act of war.

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    Make sure to buy tiki torches and publicly chant about jews. (((They))) really like that.

    From your little shindig, in spite of many claiming that it did not happen: https://youtu.be/RIrcB1sAN8I

    On a serious note, neo-nazi white trashionalists are not your allies. If anything, the left loves them, as they allow anybody conservative to be painted as a nazi or neo-nazi. It is HORRIBLE RETARDED OPTICS. They drag down all real conservatives.

    If you want your things to stop hurting, stop constantly stepping on your own dick.
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  5. It’s unfair to blame this on Richard Spencer, or Matt Heimbach, or anybody on the right.
    The blame is on (((Antifa))) and our sellout shabbos goy government.
    I think they are making a big mistake in trying to shut down the right because they can’t stop ideas that have ripened, and they won’t be able to play whack a mole because the numbers are too big.
    Eventually they are going to have to allow whites to have a voice, but if not it will surely lead to massive civil unrest as more and more whites figure out what is going on.

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    Hate to say it but (((moldberg))) was right about the futility of street theatre by the right except on those rare occasions when the government is also right at which time why put on a production at all.
    Theres several structural; problems, first, the right is the side of order really above all else, and street theatre is disorder.The very people you wish to attract will be repelled by the disorder,arguing with them that you are opposing a greater long term threat to disorder is like arguing rational consistency with a leftist. Sure youre trying to only protest peacefully its the antifa, but the right guy knows if not for your action their would have been peace,you're essentially asking him to jump to the conclusion about the long term that you hoped your rally had it been allowed. The cops probably dont understand what you are really about because frankly the nazi shtick scares almost everyone, even if tongue in cheek,its an acquired taste thats pretty juvenile. Cops tend to be pretty conservative by which we mean conformist, and they tend to have families and want to work and obey orders.They are constantly being pulled by politics while trying to do a really impossible job and so tend to resist being pulled in as a trap they are too dumb to know how it works only that like a dog it always turns out bad.
    As a natural born reactionary old enough to be most of your grandfather Im not at all squeamish about any goals like say all white nations by whatever means necessary. But I want to win and there's almost no time left. The alt right has had some successes I dont think faux nuremberg rally is ever going to be one. I realize they are shutting down the most profitable path social media. You have the same problem all of the right does. In the end it will only be solved by civil war.but unlike the left the right is divided and so wont hit a critical mass for civil war unless things change.Meantime I would build bridges with the rest of right and with them start thing like a deep state.
    , @Bill TotenWeiss

    Eventually they are going to have to allow whites to have a voice
     
    Congress is 80% white, my dude.

    But keep planning for that CIVIL WAR that you would lose instantly.
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  6. FKA Max says:

    Totgesagte leben länger

    Ronnie Drew – Theres Life In the Old Dog Yet

    George Hawley : Is the Alt-Right Collapsing?

    The Establishment wishes the Alt Right were collapsing, because it wants to achieve Full Spectrum Dominance, but this is a fool’s errand:

    As early as 2005, the credibility of full-spectrum dominance as a practical strategic doctrine was dismissed by Professor Philip Taylor of the University of Leeds[3] an expert consultant to the US and UK governments on psychological operations, propaganda and diplomacy.

    It’s true, though rarely recognized in the control-freakery world of the military, that full spectrum dominance is impossible in the global information environment.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full-spectrum_dominance#Criticism

    As Trump said “It’s always good to be underestimated.http://izquotes.com/quote/187201 , so there is an advantage for the Alt Right in having their opponents believe they are self-destructing/finished/collapsing, etc.

    Nevertheless, the attacks on the Alt Right have been unprecedented lately, and they are coming from all directions not just from the Left.

    Nathan Cofnas trying to debunk Kevin MacDonald’s research and trying to discredit his reputation as a scholar, was loudly applauded by the likes of Jordan Peterson et al., for example: http://www.unz.com/article/what-the-alt-right-gets-wrong-about-jews/#comment-2257787

    What basically happened is that the Alt Right was successful in repelling the co-option and infiltration attempts of the movement by establishment conservatives, and therefore the movement and its members needed to be demonized and/or be discredited:

    “We are going to invade Milo’s events and confront him,” Daily Stormer founder Andrew Anglin proposes before laying out a three-part plan for said confrontations. “He is taking our brand, our symbols, and turning them against us for a neocon-Jew conservative agenda.”

    http://www.unz.com/article/what-the-alt-right-and-regressive-left-have-in-common/#comment-2259344

    This appears to be yet one more organized effort to demoralize and discredit the alt-right. Does anyone know where this is coming from?

    I believe Steve Bannon was/is behind it, read lengthy comment of mine about this here:
    [...]
    “Ethno-nationalism — it’s losers. It’s a fringe element. I think the media plays it up too much, and we gotta help crush it, you know, uh, help crush it more.
    - http://www.unz.com/article/charlottesville-and-the-new-york-times/#comment-1986722

    https://www.unz.com/article/who-are-the-alt-right/#comment-2019815

    The only way to battle this is to do what Microchip did:

    “So the narrative changed from ‘I hate myself because we have neo-Nazis on our side’ to ‘I really hate antifa, let’s get along and tackle the terrorists,’” explained Microchip.

    Many on Twitter similarly praise Microchip and his crew for Ryan’s stance against the antifa. For days, the online provocateur rallied Trump supporters online to call Ryan’s office and “ask him to publicly denounce” the group.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/31/pro-trump-tweeters-paul-ryan-antifa-pressure-242219

    The Alt Right needs to keep pulling a Bush 43 on Conservatism Inc. and have it taste some of its own medicine:

    Either you are with us, or you are with the [AntiFa]

    Either With Us Or With The Terrorists – Bush

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    Great video interview from Identity Evropa, which pretty much proves that the Alt Right is not finished, quite the opposite actually; it is just getting started, in my opinion:

    What is Identitarianism? | Patrick Casey & James Allsup

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3kDzLFwKtQ

    In this recorded portion of the Identity Europa national conference, I sit down with Patrick Casey to discuss the concept of identitarianism, how it differs from other political ideologies, and why it is important for Americans to understand.

    I believe that the unraveling of the Traditionalist Worker Party https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traditionalist_Worker_Party is a positive development for the movement, a much-needed "cleansing", so to speak. I commented a few months ago that I thought that "the movement is in a better place and shape than it has ever been in before", and I specifically identified the Traditionalist Worker Party as one of the biggest liabilities to the movement back then:


    To me personally, groups like the “Traditionalist Worker Party” are the most unhelpful faction within the movement...
     
    - http://www.unz.com/video/ramzpaul_8-questions-answered-sargon-of-akkads-survey/#comment-2143506

    What, logically, follows from this, I believe, is that the movement is in an even better place and in better shape than it was earlier this year (I wrote the comment on January 4, 2018).

    Identity Evropa member asks Ann Coulter about South African Genocide

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AWujlPGsu0

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  7. Indeed, it’s increasingly clear that Antifa is a brand for random acts of street violence in which thuggery for its own sake is justified with vague Leftist slogans.

    If it’s the same Antifa that’s been plaguing Northern Europe for the last few decades, it’s a lot more sinister than that. Here in Denmark, it works like this:

    There’s a number of legitimate leftists youth organisations funded by the establishment left: they are against capitalism and against democracy, but they’re ostensibly anti-violence too. Out of this swamp, Antifa recruits their core members. Having grown up in the party organisation, they remain close to their old friends when these rise through the institutions, so while there are no formal connections between the establishment left and Antifa, they mingle on a personal level. That’s why they’re always masked: they’re not just thugs, they’re a not-so-secret political police and they know people.

    Antifa work by spawning innocuous-named ad hoc action groups and lure in young, idealistic and stupid high school and college students, and these make up the bulk of any Antifa event, the swamp in which the reptiles slither. They make sure to put the grannies, the cute girls and the children out front so they get caught in any retaliation when they lob a brickbat at the enemy.

    They dox people, visit their family, take photos of children on their way school, etc. They keep extensive archives on right wing activists and photograph marches like Pegida to dox as many marchers as they can.

    They don’t give a shit about trannies or refugees, they just want to smash capitalism and destroy democracy.

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  8. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says: • Website

    There is a lot of blame to go around on the Alt Right, but yes, the main reason is that the POWER colludes against it.

    Let’s wind back to Charlottesville. Alt Right and allies(some of them loathsome to be sure) did everything by the book. They had the Constitution and Federal judge on their side.

    Their plan was to rally and give speeches. Unlike antifa scum, they showed respect to authorities and offered to cooperate.

    Now, suppose the rally and speech had been allowed. It woulda happened, it would have made some news, and everyone would have gone home. Some would have liked the ideas, some would hated them. Alt Right would have gained fans, lost fans, etc.

    But what happened? The system violated the Constitutional Rights of Unite the Right rally. The Jewish mayor and black sheriff told the cops to just let antifa scum hang around and make trouble. Then, the police shut down the event when Alt Right did NOTHING wrong. Then, the police willfully pushed the Alt Right into the street to face the Antifa and BLM. And the police did NOTHING to prevent the ensuing melee, mostly antifa and BLM against Unite the Right.

    In a state of panic, some guy named Fields floored the accelerator and ran into a car that hit people, and a woman died of shock.

    So, how did the Jewish-run media spin this? Alt Right killed three people. Two in copter accident and some woman by ‘terrorist’ attack.
    There was no coverage of the Jewish weasel mayor and the lowlife black sheriff. There was no mention of violation of Constitutional rights. There was no mention of how cops pushed Alt Right into Antifa to do battle. There was no mention that most of the violence by the Right was in self-defense. There was no mention of how the Unite the Right rally was in defense of monuments being torn down, even of the venerable Robert E. Lee.
    And even the scum GOP was hailing Antifa as akin to US soldiers in WWII battling Nazis.
    Charlottesville wasn’t like the 68 Democratic Convention melee where the police counter-rioted because of anti-war protesters provocations. The Alt Right didn’t provoke cops. It didn’t even call for a rumble with Antifa. The riot was instigated by the police at the behest of the Jewish mayor and black police chief. The Power has allowed Antifa scum to run riot. Even though the Power claims to defend rule of law, it will use para-thug force like Antifa who don’t fear consequences since tons of Jewish money will work to bail them out and represent them in court.

    The Jewish-run media, that is silent about the killing and oppression of Palestinians, said “there is only one side”. But this is the rotten media that have allowed Bush’s illegal war in Iraq, Obama’s illegal wars in Libya, Ukraine, and Syria. It’s the media that works with Deep State to alienate and vilify Russia. Why? Jews own the media and hate Russia for not allowing total Jewish monopoly takeover of Russia. This is a lying weasel media.

    But, the Power decided to shut down sites. Not just Daily Stormer which admittedly is deranged. But even Liddell and Nowicki’s Alternative Right blog even though they weren’t even at the rally.
    Counter-Currents had nothing to do with the rally, but they had to get new blog host. Radix was shut down.

    Now, imagine this. AIPAC holds rallies that call for US support of Zionist imperialism against Palestinians. And possible war against Iran, a nation that never did us wrong. And Zionists support the horror in Syria. Israel has been working with Saudis to mess up Syria most royally. These Zionists even get Neo-Nazi types in Ukraine to pull off a coup.
    But AIPAC rallies attract Congressmen and big names. They have the backing of media power and financial power.

    But Alt Right cannot even put up blogs. And then, Jewish-run Paypal deny service to almost all Alt Right guys. Even Jared Taylor is targeted even though he had NOTHING to do with the Charlottesville rally. Paypal allows service to all the Deep State goons who mess up the world. It allows service to Zionist supremacists who kill Palestinian women and children. Paypal allows service to rapper thugs who sing about gangsterism and thuggery that promotes bloodbath. Paypal allows service to Nation of Islam because Jews are afraid of angry blacks and want to maintain alliance with blacks against whites.

    But when it comes to Alt Right people and white national liberationists? They must be shut down… along with BDS of course… which is under the threat of being criminalized all across the US.

    And then the Twitter purge. And the Youtube purge… even against BDS voices and Ryan Dawson who isn’t Alt Right.
    We see a pattern here. Jewish power will shut down anyone whom it deems threatening to the Narrative.
    Recently, RT was banned from broadcasting in DC. So much for free flow of ideas. What hubris. Only the Monopoly Media is True News and all counter voices are ‘fake news’.

    Also, there are all these frivolous lawsuits against people who attended Charlottesville.
    If anything, the Alt Right should sue the city for violation of Constitutional Rights, but guess what….
    Law firms will not represent the Alt Right. Law firms will represent scum like Jonathan Pollard and that low-life rabbi merchant pardoned recently by Donald Trump. They will represent corrupt politicians, greedy corporations, Zionist supremacists, deep state torturers and terrorists, but they will not offer service to Alt Right. THIS is the legal system in the US.
    Even if some law firms want to represent the Alt Right, they are afraid because Jewish nexus of media, finance, and other law firms will do everything to destroy the law firm that dares to represent controversial figures.

    That said, the Alt Right really jumped the gun. Ramzpaul is right. Spencer should never have rubbed shoulders with the likes of Anglin, even if only in conversation. Anglin maybe has value as clown show, and that’s about it. If Alt Right is to be a serious movement, it can’t be associated with people whose main thing is to act the clown and do a skinhead version of Howard Stern. Also, the idea of uniting the right is good but why associate the right with scum like KKK and Neo-Nazis? Why not send a clear message that Alt Right is NOT with that garbage? But Spencer and co. didn’t, and they deserve blame for associating Alt Right with garbage right. Purely from a strategic viewpoint, what was Spencer and co. thinking? The media are owned by Jews. If even just a few arrive with Nazi flags or KKK costume, the media will focus only on that. Alt Right itself should have gone antifa on Nazis and skinheads.

    It seems the alternative right keep failing with both Nazis and Zionists. Matt Heimbach could have done good work with the working class. But the fatass malt-right clown has zero imagination and just larped as fat nazi and encouraged his moron goons to give hitler salutes. There goes Trad Worker that is now Trash Worker. Nazi stuff simply can’t be salvaged. The most one can do is say there was some good things about Nazism. But overall, it’s too toxic. It’s like one can laud certain aspects of Stalinism but it’s toxic too. Even leftists don’t want to wave Stalin’s banner.
    But all these gimps and goons who feel small are attracted to Nazi stuff as some magical talisman.

    But Jared Taylor is also deluded. Taylor has a zero tolerance policy for anyone who is against Jewish power and Israel. American Renaissance deletes any view critical of Jewish power, and he won’t invite any guests who discuss the Jewish Question. So, how has this served him? Under guidance of ADL, Twitter banned Taylor. Jewish-run Paypal denies him service.
    As long as Taylor’s message is white identity, Jews will hate him no matter how much he praises Jews or expresses admiration for Israel. Why? Because Jewish supremacism depends on White Submissivism, which Taylor rejects.
    It’s good for Taylor to reject obvious neo-nazi elements, but he’s deluded if he thinks Jewish power will go easy on him because he won’t allow ‘antisemitic’ talk in his forum. Indeed, because he’s an intelligent and relatively classy person on the Right, Jewish power sees him as especially dangerous.

    One thing for sure, the Alt Right hasn’t yet produced The One. A truly worthy leader. Spencer, a spoiled pretty boy, is too much a vain narcissist to lead the movement. He failed to realize that the Alt Right became a thing only with the media spotlight in the Age of Trump. Until then, he had failed to develop a movement from ground up. Rather, he saw a spotlight on him, and he enjoyed the attention. And he thought the spotlight would be on him forever because he’s got the charm. But when your movement depends on attention from above, it will become zero when the spotlight is shut off. For a movement to have real power, it has to generate fire on its own and the fire must spread. That way, even if the Power offers no spotlight on the movement, it has caught fire and it illuminates the world from ground up. That is a real movement.
    But Spencer fell into the Buckley Trap. William F. Buckley loved the limelight and his conservatism became a cult of celebrity. Spencer, because of his pretty boy looks and charming smile, had been the go-to guy for the media when it came to Alt Right. As long as the spotlight was on him, he loved the attention and wanted more. But you can’t have a movement based on attention from above because what the Big Media giveth, it can taketh away. A real movement is when you got support from below even when those above you try to shut you down.
    Now, this isn’t to say Spencer hasn’t convictions. He certainly has. If he really just wanted to coast on celebrity, he could have tailored the Alt Right to be more like Alt Light and not discuss controversial issues. But he stuck to his worldview and his guns. But then, precisely because he chose to stick to hardcore ideas, he should have known that the Power would eventually shut off the spotlight on him. And then what? The only real movement is one where you have backing from the people.
    It’s like Chinese communists failed miserably in trying to take over a city. They got slaughtered by KMT, and the movement had to begin again among the peasantry that made up the bulk of Chinese people.
    Alt Right should have identified its potential demographic base and gained a foothold there. But there is too much of fratboy mentality among Spencer and co. Too much drinking and partying. To much media addiction. Too much mugging for the camera.
    Building a base requires real work. Spencer and co. would have to roll up the sleeves and connect with people… like David Treadup as missionary in THE CALL or like George Bailey with the greaser folks in IT’S A WONDERFUL LIFE. But Spencer and co. don’t have a humanist bone in their body. Like their proggy counterparts, they are into idolatry even if they worship different idols. Progs worship Black Panther, and Spencer and co. are into Batman(LOL) and the Faustian something-or-other that’s gonna take us to Mars and all that Michio-Cuckoo nuttery. It’s all about idols and celebrity and egomania. It goes against humanism, which is what everyone needs in this degenerate age. Blacks would do much better if they stopped worshiping trashy celebs and appreciated womenfolk in the past like mama in RAISIN IN THE SUN and IMITATION OF LIFE. And whites would do better to develop a feeling for the kind of folks in GRAPES OF WRATH and IT’S A WONDERFUL LIFE. But the rise of LA DOLCE VITA mania corrupted everyone. Even poor ‘white trash’ Americans who need to straighten out their lives have, as culture, trashy celebrities who shake their booties like skankass sluts. But we live in a nation where churches bow down before the homo ass instead of having homos trying to atone for their sins before God.

    In the long run, the best chance any movement has is to become a religion or a cult. In other words, Alt Right must become an Alt Rite. Take Islam. Why has it lasted for so long? Unlike Alexander and Genghis, Muhammad founded a religion. And even though Mormonism is a silly kind of culture, why has it lasted and why is it still going strong? It is a religion, a faith, a conviction, a kind of new covenant. Myth, like art, is forever. What the white race needs to do is find its own covenant with the Ultimate Power. But goyim are not good with prophetics. There is more prophetic power in a single pinky of Darren Aronofsky than in the entire Alt Right.

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    That said, the Alt Right really jumped the gun. Ramzpaul is right.
     
    You make some good points but then you kind of lose me by punching right and trashing people like Anglin and the Nazis. Anglin wasn't even present at the rally. The radical left has their share of Anglin's but they aren't trashing them and as a rule the left doesn't punch left. Antifags are the left's Nazis and in case you haven't notice members on both sides of the political spectrum sung their praises for "fighting fascism".

    Then you mention Jared Taylor who hasn't made the same mistakes you say Richard Spencer has and has never associated with any Nazis. Nevertheless, and also as you point out, he's been punished just as severely as alt-rightists. He was also forced to cancel his annual conference for two straight years resulting from leftist death threats and threats of violence against hotel owners. Now he's forced to hold the conference in a government facility since they can't discriminate.

    The bottom line is (((the system))) has a bestial hatred of any white person who doesn't hate themselves and will subject them to doxxing, deplatforming and financial ruination no matter how respectable you conduct yourself or how enthusiastic you disavow other members of the racialist right.

    If anything the fallout of Charlottesville exposed some character deficiencies among the self styled leaders of the alt-right. Richard Spencer disavowed Jason Kessler for poking fun of Heather Heyer. This disavowal won him no plaudits from the left and they still targeted him for frivolous lawsuits related to Chartlottesville anyway.
    , @Okechukwu

    Also, the idea of uniting the right is good but why associate the right with scum like KKK and Neo-Nazis? Why not send a clear message that Alt Right is NOT with that garbage?
     
    Then they'd have virtually no members or supporters. The alt-right is a white supremacist movement like the KKK and Neo-Nazis. Shorn of those ideologies, there's nothing left. It's simply not possible for them to disassociate themselves from themselves.
    , @Pericles
    Oh, if only the alt-right had listened to Anon[425].
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  9. Tbbh says:
    @mark green
    Great article. Important article. The police, the courts, countless bureaucrats and government officials, and of course (((progressive))) news sites and journalists are all in bed with antifa thuggery.

    What unscrupulous tactic won't they employ to deny us our right to Free Speech and Public Assembly?

    And these slimy co-conspirators have the temerity to call us 'far right'.

    Their malicious lies and propaganda are unending.

    Shame on these anti-white scumbags. Their ruthlessness is an act of war.

    Make sure to buy tiki torches and publicly chant about jews. (((They))) really like that.

    From your little shindig, in spite of many claiming that it did not happen: https://youtu.be/RIrcB1sAN8I

    On a serious note, neo-nazi white trashionalists are not your allies. If anything, the left loves them, as they allow anybody conservative to be painted as a nazi or neo-nazi. It is HORRIBLE RETARDED OPTICS. They drag down all real conservatives.

    If you want your things to stop hurting, stop constantly stepping on your own dick.

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    >tiki torch fixation - check
    >whining about them WHITE TRAHIONALISTS - check
    >m-muh real conservatives babble - check

    Must be a really sad life you lead, Thomm.
    , @Anonymous
    You're wrong. Spencer's goal of a "Whites-only" nation-state was always going to fail. Dead on arrival in the United States.

    Spencer and these other White supremacists mistook Trump's success for their own. It was Trumpist nationalism that energized people in 2015-2016. And it was Trumpism that won. Spencer--with an assist from the mainstream media--hijacked the movement.
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  10. Tbbh says:
    @AndrewR
    Civil war will come soon enough. The catalyst will likely be an economic depression, and that depression need only be deep enough to shut off the EBT spigot.

    I'd be lying if I said that I'm not ready to get it over with. Some days, I would go as far as to say I am looking forward to it. It won't be pretty, but nor will any future under the increasingly totalitarian left. The right us talking about muh constitution and muh laws, while the left wants its opponents dead. What compromise is to be had?

    People had the exact same talking points 50 years ago, Chicken Little.

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  11. @blahbahblah
    The alt-right had already gone to shit before Charlottesville. How the fuck are you going to sell nationalism when you have self-appointed leaders nobody in their right mind would want to associate with? What the fuck were those rallies suppose to achieve? Why not meet up and just talk to each other? There is no plan except to make noise. The alt-right died when it went from whispering to banging pots and pans. Richard Spencer had 100x the influence alternativeright and radix than he did making a complete fucking fool of himself in public.

    Exactly. What are these rallies supposed to accomplish other than simply furnishing the government and the antifa goons with targets? I am not sold Richard Spencer’s methods.

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    That is my thinking as well. WTF is the point of going to a leftard university to try to speak anyway? It makes more sense to me to let these retards stew in their own juices. If the goal was to put the brakes on "antifa", a few dozen hardened fist fighters showing up dressed like the leftards dress for action and starting random fights in the ranks would be more effective.

    Public demonstrations are only going to sway public opinion in the direction that the news media wants it to go. If there's to be a war, then wait for the war to start instead of jacking off in public and calling it "activism".
    , @Anonymous
    If you are not sold on his methods, are you sold on his goal--an "Whites-only" nation state?
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  12. WHAT says:
    @Tbbh
    Make sure to buy tiki torches and publicly chant about jews. (((They))) really like that.

    From your little shindig, in spite of many claiming that it did not happen: https://youtu.be/RIrcB1sAN8I

    On a serious note, neo-nazi white trashionalists are not your allies. If anything, the left loves them, as they allow anybody conservative to be painted as a nazi or neo-nazi. It is HORRIBLE RETARDED OPTICS. They drag down all real conservatives.

    If you want your things to stop hurting, stop constantly stepping on your own dick.

    >tiki torch fixation – check
    >whining about them WHITE TRAHIONALISTS – check
    >m-muh real conservatives babble – check

    Must be a really sad life you lead, Thomm.

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    That was written by Tbbh, not me, you idiot.

    But why are you surprised that everyone refers to you as 'White Trashionalists'? That is a superbly accurate description of what you are.

    Not to mention the projection. No one leads a sadder, emptier, lonelier life that a White Trashionalist. That fact that 99% of White Trashionalists are male proves this.

    Heh heh heh heh

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  13. Randal says:

    But in fact what is happening is systematic government repression—politicized law enforcement is working in de facto alliance with violent Totalitarian Left to shut down peaceful dissent.

    To some extent this is all about people on the dissident right having to come face to face with what it actually means to be dissident. There was clearly a lot of naivety about that, with the expectations of police protection, fair treatment in court etc.

    A lot of necessary maturing has been done in the US on the nationalist political right, I think, and a lot still has to be done. It will be interesting to see what grows out of the openly violent and lawless establishment suppression of their first appearance on the big stage.

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    Indeed, it’s increasingly clear that Antifa is a brand for random acts of street violence in which thuggery for its own sake is justified with vague Leftist slogans.

    Politically motivated violence is inherent to the left. They don’t even understand the most basic aspect of civilised political behaviour, which is represented by the distinction between political demonstration and violent mob harassment. Charlottesville was the former, all the leftist “counter-demonstrations” against both rival political demonstrations and even attempts to exercise free speech by rivals are the latter.

    They genuinely do not understand the difference between the two. The latter is just the former, when it is done by goodies against baddies, as far as leftists are concerned. That’s the level of their political sophistication.

    And bearing in mind that the left overwhelmingly dominates the media – journalists and editors in the establishment media are almost all leftists in this sense – and the politicised professions and institutions, the scale of the problem starts to become apparent.

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    Well-said. This is an existential fight and only one side realizes that.
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  15. @Seamus Padraig
    Exactly. What are these rallies supposed to accomplish other than simply furnishing the government and the antifa goons with targets? I am not sold Richard Spencer's methods.

    That is my thinking as well. WTF is the point of going to a leftard university to try to speak anyway? It makes more sense to me to let these retards stew in their own juices. If the goal was to put the brakes on “antifa”, a few dozen hardened fist fighters showing up dressed like the leftards dress for action and starting random fights in the ranks would be more effective.

    Public demonstrations are only going to sway public opinion in the direction that the news media wants it to go. If there’s to be a war, then wait for the war to start instead of jacking off in public and calling it “activism”.

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  16. Dante says:
    @AndrewR
    Civil war will come soon enough. The catalyst will likely be an economic depression, and that depression need only be deep enough to shut off the EBT spigot.

    I'd be lying if I said that I'm not ready to get it over with. Some days, I would go as far as to say I am looking forward to it. It won't be pretty, but nor will any future under the increasingly totalitarian left. The right us talking about muh constitution and muh laws, while the left wants its opponents dead. What compromise is to be had?

    I read and agreed with your comment and just wanted to get your opinion of how might a civil war play out in your opinion ? It’s gets mentioned a lot but I can’t find anyone saying how it might come about. Mark Yuray thinks it’s unlikely but I think it will happen just not sure what it might look like. Cheers

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    Suggest you read Civil War II by Tom Chittum. Although written in 1996 much of the book is still relevant regarding America's racial situation and slide towards civil disunion. If I recall he even predicted Europe's current problems based on Muslim and African immigration patterns into the continent. At the time various Western European and Scandinavian nations were only 3-5% non-white but he predicted an increase in racial unrest and insurgency type activity as the non-white portion reached 7-10%. His predictions are playing out all over Europe.

    Europe always arrogantly thought they were above the racial discord and violence afflicting America but now it's their turn and the chickens are coming home to roost.

    , @AndrewR
    Good question. I've spent a lot of time pondering this myself. I'm not really imaginative enough to sketch out a detailed, plausible scenario, but I can point out some places to start thinking.

    What side will cops and the military take? I imagine that as long as their paychecks aren't bouncing, virtually all will do as told. We saw in Charlottesville how the cops all chose to enforce the most blatantly unconstitutional and illegal orders.

    Foreign powers: a real civil war in the US would obviously draw the whole world's attention and have them supporting and supplying different factions. We would even see actual invasions if the US military became dysfunctional enough.

    Fault lines: race would be a major one of course but the primary combatants on both main sides would be whites. I think there are probably millions of whites who would, if they could, happily try to kill anyone whom they deemed to be "Nazis," and, as is known by anyone who doesn't live in a cave, the left considers anyone who doesn't buy into explicitly anti-white ideology to be "Nazis." There will be a lot of "friendly fire" as opportunistic black thugs kill the idiot white leftists who worship them.

    , @Miro23

    I read and agreed with your comment and just wanted to get your opinion of how might a civil war play out in your opinion ? It’s gets mentioned a lot but I can’t find anyone saying how it might come about. Mark Yuray thinks it’s unlikely but I think it will happen just not sure what it might look like. Cheers
     
    There are quite a few examples:

    ALGERIA - The French incorporating Algeria into the French Republic. They installed a French administrative elite and encouraged ethnic French settlement. Algerians became 2nd class citizens in their own country with a secret resistance movement eventually sliding into a civil war and the violent expulsion of the French.

    INDIA - The British developing commercial settlements, eventually morphing into alliances with Indian leaders and imposed an Imperial administration run by ethnic British from London. Indians became 2nd class citizens in their own country with secret nationalist societies gaining influence (eventually mass passive resistance and the expulsion of the British with Indian Independence).

    SPAIN - A Republican leftist government increasing intimidated by their hard left Bolshevik inspired allies. They look the other way while leftist militias burn hundreds of churches and religious buildings, their media cheer and take down any traditionalist opposition. The spark for the rightist reaction was the 1936 murder of traditionalist leader Calvo-Sotelo by a leftist militia, resulting in a partial army revolt and Civil War (Republicans and their Bolshevik allies eventually crushed with the imposition of Franco's dictatorship).

    ROMANIA - A classic Deep State left dictatorship with informers, secret police, a propagandist press and a protected elite headed by Nikolai Ceausescu. Various religious and other demonstrations coalesced around the town of Timisoara and were violently put down by security forces and the military. The public rejected Ceausescu and he was unprecedentedly heckled and booed in a staged rally in Bucharest. His secret police (Securitate) was overwhelmed in street fighting and the army turning against him. In one month (December 1989) he went from absolute dictator to a public trial and execution).
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  17. AndrewR says:
    @Randal

    Indeed, it’s increasingly clear that Antifa is a brand for random acts of street violence in which thuggery for its own sake is justified with vague Leftist slogans.
     
    Politically motivated violence is inherent to the left. They don't even understand the most basic aspect of civilised political behaviour, which is represented by the distinction between political demonstration and violent mob harassment. Charlottesville was the former, all the leftist "counter-demonstrations" against both rival political demonstrations and even attempts to exercise free speech by rivals are the latter.

    They genuinely do not understand the difference between the two. The latter is just the former, when it is done by goodies against baddies, as far as leftists are concerned. That's the level of their political sophistication.

    And bearing in mind that the left overwhelmingly dominates the media - journalists and editors in the establishment media are almost all leftists in this sense - and the politicised professions and institutions, the scale of the problem starts to become apparent.

    Well-said. This is an existential fight and only one side realizes that.

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  19. KenH says:
    @Dante
    I read and agreed with your comment and just wanted to get your opinion of how might a civil war play out in your opinion ? It's gets mentioned a lot but I can't find anyone saying how it might come about. Mark Yuray thinks it's unlikely but I think it will happen just not sure what it might look like. Cheers

    Suggest you read Civil War II by Tom Chittum. Although written in 1996 much of the book is still relevant regarding America’s racial situation and slide towards civil disunion. If I recall he even predicted Europe’s current problems based on Muslim and African immigration patterns into the continent. At the time various Western European and Scandinavian nations were only 3-5% non-white but he predicted an increase in racial unrest and insurgency type activity as the non-white portion reached 7-10%. His predictions are playing out all over Europe.

    Europe always arrogantly thought they were above the racial discord and violence afflicting America but now it’s their turn and the chickens are coming home to roost.

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    OK thanks I will look that book up on Amazon, Yes there certainly are signs of massive unrest in the nations with larger non European populations..France England Sweden etc. Thanks again
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  20. @Bennis Mardens
    It's unfair to blame this on Richard Spencer, or Matt Heimbach, or anybody on the right.
    The blame is on (((Antifa))) and our sellout shabbos goy government.
    I think they are making a big mistake in trying to shut down the right because they can't stop ideas that have ripened, and they won't be able to play whack a mole because the numbers are too big.
    Eventually they are going to have to allow whites to have a voice, but if not it will surely lead to massive civil unrest as more and more whites figure out what is going on.

    Hate to say it but (((moldberg))) was right about the futility of street theatre by the right except on those rare occasions when the government is also right at which time why put on a production at all.
    Theres several structural; problems, first, the right is the side of order really above all else, and street theatre is disorder.The very people you wish to attract will be repelled by the disorder,arguing with them that you are opposing a greater long term threat to disorder is like arguing rational consistency with a leftist. Sure youre trying to only protest peacefully its the antifa, but the right guy knows if not for your action their would have been peace,you’re essentially asking him to jump to the conclusion about the long term that you hoped your rally had it been allowed. The cops probably dont understand what you are really about because frankly the nazi shtick scares almost everyone, even if tongue in cheek,its an acquired taste thats pretty juvenile. Cops tend to be pretty conservative by which we mean conformist, and they tend to have families and want to work and obey orders.They are constantly being pulled by politics while trying to do a really impossible job and so tend to resist being pulled in as a trap they are too dumb to know how it works only that like a dog it always turns out bad.
    As a natural born reactionary old enough to be most of your grandfather Im not at all squeamish about any goals like say all white nations by whatever means necessary. But I want to win and there’s almost no time left. The alt right has had some successes I dont think faux nuremberg rally is ever going to be one. I realize they are shutting down the most profitable path social media. You have the same problem all of the right does. In the end it will only be solved by civil war.but unlike the left the right is divided and so wont hit a critical mass for civil war unless things change.Meantime I would build bridges with the rest of right and with them start thing like a deep state.

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    This is a valid point, but the reality goes beyond that. It's not just that protests "work better" for the Left than for the Right. It's that, in an important sense, these demonstrations are just theater. They're not a way to gain power, but demonstrations of power. They form the basis of a media narrative that gives the establishment cover to go farther in the direction that they wanted to go anyway.

    Seeing the protests as an independent source of power, in and of themselves, is cargo cult thinking. It ignores the reality of media/ academic/ financial/ government control. Not to mention "nonprofit" foundations -- look up the Reece Committee report sometime. Things haven't improved in the 60+ years since.

    Seeing things in terms of "Left" and "Right" is increasingly irrelevant with the ongoing diversification of the country, though. Identity > ideology. Our hostile elite is not "leftist," they are anti-White.
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  21. tjm says:

    These fake alt-right rallies are just food for the media to use as fodder against Americans.

    There is no “alt-right, or left”, these are names given by the Zionist machine to put us into boxes so we can be pit against each other.

    Most Americans, when you ask them reasonable questions, will answer reasonably, but the Zionist media is the enemy, they don’t ask reasonable questions, for them, it is all about divide and conquer.

    Obama, Clinton, and Chump are all tools of the zionists, divide and conquer.

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    Keep writing.
    Evil eventually withers under the glare of Truth.

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  23. Jake says:

    Of course our Elites use Antifa. Our Elites hate decent, white Middle Americans.

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  24. AndrewR says:
    @Dante
    I read and agreed with your comment and just wanted to get your opinion of how might a civil war play out in your opinion ? It's gets mentioned a lot but I can't find anyone saying how it might come about. Mark Yuray thinks it's unlikely but I think it will happen just not sure what it might look like. Cheers

    Good question. I’ve spent a lot of time pondering this myself. I’m not really imaginative enough to sketch out a detailed, plausible scenario, but I can point out some places to start thinking.

    What side will cops and the military take? I imagine that as long as their paychecks aren’t bouncing, virtually all will do as told. We saw in Charlottesville how the cops all chose to enforce the most blatantly unconstitutional and illegal orders.

    Foreign powers: a real civil war in the US would obviously draw the whole world’s attention and have them supporting and supplying different factions. We would even see actual invasions if the US military became dysfunctional enough.

    Fault lines: race would be a major one of course but the primary combatants on both main sides would be whites. I think there are probably millions of whites who would, if they could, happily try to kill anyone whom they deemed to be “Nazis,” and, as is known by anyone who doesn’t live in a cave, the left considers anyone who doesn’t buy into explicitly anti-white ideology to be “Nazis.” There will be a lot of “friendly fire” as opportunistic black thugs kill the idiot white leftists who worship them.

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    I agree with most of what you said, but I think white cohesion will be a lot stronger than you think.

    All of my life there has been a phenomenon called white flight. Whites fleeing to more lily white communities when browns move in. It is my perception that most of the PC white elites are living in such communities.

    http://www.slate.com/articles/life/caixin/2015/07/silicon_valley_white_asian_divide_why_families_self_segregate_and_what_can.html

    This will intensify when you think your life is at stake. So I think that the white response will be mostly defensive in nature.

    The silver lining is that should this spiral into an all out race war, the new religion of Antiracism will be crushed forever.
    , @Rosie

    What side will cops and the military take? I imagine that as long as their paychecks aren’t bouncing, virtually all will do as told. We saw in Charlottesville how the cops all chose to enforce the most blatantly unconstitutional and illegal orders.
     
    According to Conte, somehow this will have something to do with "women's nature."
    , @Dante
    Thank you for your reply and in the meantime lets hope more Whites wake up to what is really happening.
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  25. White supremacist tears are extra salty.

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    But Jew supremacist whining, on the other hand...
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  26. @Bennis Mardens
    It's unfair to blame this on Richard Spencer, or Matt Heimbach, or anybody on the right.
    The blame is on (((Antifa))) and our sellout shabbos goy government.
    I think they are making a big mistake in trying to shut down the right because they can't stop ideas that have ripened, and they won't be able to play whack a mole because the numbers are too big.
    Eventually they are going to have to allow whites to have a voice, but if not it will surely lead to massive civil unrest as more and more whites figure out what is going on.

    Eventually they are going to have to allow whites to have a voice

    Congress is 80% white, my dude.

    But keep planning for that CIVIL WAR that you would lose instantly.

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    Congress is 80% white, my dude.
     
    They are corporate whores who are loyal only to Big Money and AIPAC. And they follow the cultmarx ideology cuz that is the official ideology/religion of the American Empire.
    , @Joe Franklin

    Congress is 80% white, my dude.

     

    More accurately, congress is almost 100% full of diversity scheme supporters.

    The diversity scheme includes Zionist pigs as recipients of illicit entitlements too.

    A pro-constitution literalist in congress is rarer than a frog's hair.

    , @Mark Presco
    Apparently you have a comprehension problem. No one here is talking about white nationalists starting a civil war. The discussion is how to survive the civil unrest that will follow an economic collapse.
    , @Bennis Mardens
    You're an idiot.

    Congress is 80% shabbos goy sellouts, just like YOU.
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    @Bill TotenWeiss

    Eventually they are going to have to allow whites to have a voice
     
    Congress is 80% white, my dude.

    But keep planning for that CIVIL WAR that you would lose instantly.

    Congress is 80% white, my dude.

    They are corporate whores who are loyal only to Big Money and AIPAC. And they follow the cultmarx ideology cuz that is the official ideology/religion of the American Empire.

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  28. @Bill TotenWeiss

    Eventually they are going to have to allow whites to have a voice
     
    Congress is 80% white, my dude.

    But keep planning for that CIVIL WAR that you would lose instantly.

    Congress is 80% white, my dude.

    More accurately, congress is almost 100% full of diversity scheme supporters.

    The diversity scheme includes Zionist pigs as recipients of illicit entitlements too.

    A pro-constitution literalist in congress is rarer than a frog’s hair.

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  29. Mark Presco says: • Website
    @AndrewR
    Good question. I've spent a lot of time pondering this myself. I'm not really imaginative enough to sketch out a detailed, plausible scenario, but I can point out some places to start thinking.

    What side will cops and the military take? I imagine that as long as their paychecks aren't bouncing, virtually all will do as told. We saw in Charlottesville how the cops all chose to enforce the most blatantly unconstitutional and illegal orders.

    Foreign powers: a real civil war in the US would obviously draw the whole world's attention and have them supporting and supplying different factions. We would even see actual invasions if the US military became dysfunctional enough.

    Fault lines: race would be a major one of course but the primary combatants on both main sides would be whites. I think there are probably millions of whites who would, if they could, happily try to kill anyone whom they deemed to be "Nazis," and, as is known by anyone who doesn't live in a cave, the left considers anyone who doesn't buy into explicitly anti-white ideology to be "Nazis." There will be a lot of "friendly fire" as opportunistic black thugs kill the idiot white leftists who worship them.

    I agree with most of what you said, but I think white cohesion will be a lot stronger than you think.

    All of my life there has been a phenomenon called white flight. Whites fleeing to more lily white communities when browns move in. It is my perception that most of the PC white elites are living in such communities.

    http://www.slate.com/articles/life/caixin/2015/07/silicon_valley_white_asian_divide_why_families_self_segregate_and_what_can.html

    This will intensify when you think your life is at stake. So I think that the white response will be mostly defensive in nature.

    The silver lining is that should this spiral into an all out race war, the new religion of Antiracism will be crushed forever.

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    Just like they are doing in South Africa. Oh wait.

    The Alt-Right: realism on the characteristics of every race except themselves.
    , @AndrewR
    "Anti-racism" is literally no different than any other religion/ideology. History, and current events, shows us that many, many, many humans have an astounding, seemingly boundless capacity to kill and die for even the most irrational belief systems. The death tolls from Islam, Christianity, national socialism and communism number arguably in the hundreds of millions. The death toll of "anti-racism" is currently a drop in the bucket compared to what it will likely turn out to be.
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  30. Mark Presco says: • Website
    @Bill TotenWeiss

    Eventually they are going to have to allow whites to have a voice
     
    Congress is 80% white, my dude.

    But keep planning for that CIVIL WAR that you would lose instantly.

    Apparently you have a comprehension problem. No one here is talking about white nationalists starting a civil war. The discussion is how to survive the civil unrest that will follow an economic collapse.

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    Mark, that troll doesn't care what's being said. His responses are always off-topic. Ignore him and he'll go away.
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  31. Personally, I’m pretty sure (maybe not quite at the 100.0% level, but close…) that the whole incident in Charlottesville was just staged Deep State agitprop. I remember one video I saw on youtube that analyzed frame by frame video of the various scuffles on the street between antifa and alt-right people. The conclusion was that it was all fake fighting, analogous to what you have in professional wrestling.

    As for Richard Spencer, I have a very strong suspicion that he is some sort of Deep State agent provocateur. For example, if you look at this video:

    Obviously the people doing a fascist salute are plants, but Spencer seems to be complicit with the whole mise en scene.

    So, if, as I suspect, Spencer is controlled opposition, and obviously, the whole antifa thing is controlled opposition, then what we have here is just some Deep State theatrical production.

    The first act of resistance, at least in my view, is to immediately cease and desist from discussing events that are basically fake as if they were real.

    Actually, the term I used in an article on this site was synthetic event. It is absolutely necessary not to confuse synthetic and organic events.

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    said:
    "Actually, the term I used in an article on this site was synthetic event."

    And there is no event more absurdly "synthetic" than the so called 'holocaust'.

    There is simply no proof for the claims of '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers'.
    In fact the claims are simply scientifically impossible, ridiculously so.

    It has become THE tool of dominance used by Jews over Euro-white gentiles.
    The immense cash, preferential treatment, and political power gained by Jews from it makes it the biggest fraud in history.
    Nothing changes until it's fraudulence is openly discussed.
    I know it, we all know it.

    The '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers' are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the 'holocaust' scam debunked here: http://codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here: http://forum.codoh.com

    The 'holocaust' storyline is one of the most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. That is why those who question it are arrested and persecuted. That is why violent, racist, & privileged supremacist Jews demand censorship. What sort of truth is it that denies free speech and the freedom to seek the truth? Truth needs no protection from scrutiny.
    Only liars demand censorship.

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  32. Saying “Alt-right rallies had drawn violence” is like saying those German women in Cologne had “drawn sexual assault.”

    The mass sexual assault in Cologne of New Year’s Eve 2015 is pretty clearly a hoax. I wrote an article about this topic last year.

    I suppose it’s not very surprising that this article about one synthetic staged bullshit event would make reference to other events that are also, in turn hoaxes. It all constitutes a big self-referential synthetic reality.

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    The mass sexual assault in Cologne of New Year’s Eve 2015 is pretty clearly a hoax. I wrote an article about this topic last year.
     
    And why should anyone care? Your articles are boring, logorrheic, and silly. Let me guess what you said..........it's all a false flag. Only the undiscovered genius Revusky has eyes to see what is obscure to all other mortals. That is what all your articles say.
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  33. Anonymous[164] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mark Presco
    I agree with most of what you said, but I think white cohesion will be a lot stronger than you think.

    All of my life there has been a phenomenon called white flight. Whites fleeing to more lily white communities when browns move in. It is my perception that most of the PC white elites are living in such communities.

    http://www.slate.com/articles/life/caixin/2015/07/silicon_valley_white_asian_divide_why_families_self_segregate_and_what_can.html

    This will intensify when you think your life is at stake. So I think that the white response will be mostly defensive in nature.

    The silver lining is that should this spiral into an all out race war, the new religion of Antiracism will be crushed forever.

    Just like they are doing in South Africa. Oh wait.

    The Alt-Right: realism on the characteristics of every race except themselves.

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  34. AndrewR says:
    @Mark Presco
    I agree with most of what you said, but I think white cohesion will be a lot stronger than you think.

    All of my life there has been a phenomenon called white flight. Whites fleeing to more lily white communities when browns move in. It is my perception that most of the PC white elites are living in such communities.

    http://www.slate.com/articles/life/caixin/2015/07/silicon_valley_white_asian_divide_why_families_self_segregate_and_what_can.html

    This will intensify when you think your life is at stake. So I think that the white response will be mostly defensive in nature.

    The silver lining is that should this spiral into an all out race war, the new religion of Antiracism will be crushed forever.

    “Anti-racism” is literally no different than any other religion/ideology. History, and current events, shows us that many, many, many humans have an astounding, seemingly boundless capacity to kill and die for even the most irrational belief systems. The death tolls from Islam, Christianity, national socialism and communism number arguably in the hundreds of millions. The death toll of “anti-racism” is currently a drop in the bucket compared to what it will likely turn out to be.

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    AndrewR, I can’t figure out where you are coming from. You are correct when you say:

    History, and current events, shows us that many, many, many humans have an astounding, seemingly boundless capacity to kill and die for even the most irrational belief systems.
     
    That is why I call Antiracism a religion. It is an irrational belief that there is absolutely no difference between the races. It is not about skin color, it is about the vastly different cultures we create.

    You are also correct when you say:

    The death toll of “anti-racism” is currently a drop in the bucket compared to what it will likely turn out to be.
     
    Forcing people who do not want to live together, to live together, is a very bad idea. There are currently organized invasions of all white cultures. The majority of these people are hostile to whites and our culture, especially Muslims. It will turn out to be very bloody indeed.

    The simple proposition is that we will all be happier and safer living with our own people in our own cultures. Yet you seem to oppose this. Why?
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  35. These fake alt-right rallies are just food for the media to use as fodder against Americans.

    Well, yeah. My view is that people have to start seriously considering the possibility that both sides in these events are fake.

    Or largely fake anyway. It’s true that in some cases the people participating on the street level in a controlled opposition movement may sincerely believe that they are involved with some genuine dissident movement. For example, the Maidan movement in Ukraine. I assume some of the protesters were sincere. But that doesn’t mean that the thing isn’t basically a controlled astroturf sort of thing. Well, anyway, I recognize that these are nuanced, complex questions.

    There are some genuine scholarly works on the history of the protest movements in the sixties and Cointelpro and all that. I intend to do a bit of further reading. My sense is that any analysis of these sorts of things that ignores the whole problem of infiltration of agent provocateur types, that’s not going to be much of an analysis.

    To just assume that all of these things organically happen is to be very naive indeed.

    As for this article above, is there some explanation of why the author needs anonymity?

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    Well, yeah. My view is that people have to start seriously considering the possibility that both sides in these events are fake.
     
    Should we consider that you - and everything you say - is fake too? Indeed, do you even exist? Are you not merely a "synthetic" internet personality?

    Reflexive denial of anything and everything as a false-flag is not an indicator of wisdom. It is an indicator of dementia or idiocy.

    You are not a seer. You are a demented crank.
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  36. anonymous[288] • Disclaimer says:

    We don’t know who this Antifa really are, just some shadowy figures wearing masks who come together for some action then disappear. They are probably government agents and deluded useful idiots guided by people with their own plans. Almost every violent political incident in recent US history has later been shown to have government infiltrators egging things on. In this particular case there seemed to have been some coordination between the media with their waiting cameras, politicians, police who are under political control, Antifa and demonstrators. Just coincidence of course.

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    Felix Krull explained what they are, and it coincides with what I know of them. They are dead-enders weaponized by the left. The right also has its own version, but has not been able to organize them in the same fashion and has an embarrassing tendency to let them get into leadership positions.
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  37. @anonymous
    We don't know who this Antifa really are, just some shadowy figures wearing masks who come together for some action then disappear. They are probably government agents and deluded useful idiots guided by people with their own plans. Almost every violent political incident in recent US history has later been shown to have government infiltrators egging things on. In this particular case there seemed to have been some coordination between the media with their waiting cameras, politicians, police who are under political control, Antifa and demonstrators. Just coincidence of course.

    Felix Krull explained what they are, and it coincides with what I know of them. They are dead-enders weaponized by the left. The right also has its own version, but has not been able to organize them in the same fashion and has an embarrassing tendency to let them get into leadership positions.

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  38. Mark Presco says: • Website
    @AndrewR
    "Anti-racism" is literally no different than any other religion/ideology. History, and current events, shows us that many, many, many humans have an astounding, seemingly boundless capacity to kill and die for even the most irrational belief systems. The death tolls from Islam, Christianity, national socialism and communism number arguably in the hundreds of millions. The death toll of "anti-racism" is currently a drop in the bucket compared to what it will likely turn out to be.

    AndrewR, I can’t figure out where you are coming from. You are correct when you say:

    History, and current events, shows us that many, many, many humans have an astounding, seemingly boundless capacity to kill and die for even the most irrational belief systems.

    That is why I call Antiracism a religion. It is an irrational belief that there is absolutely no difference between the races. It is not about skin color, it is about the vastly different cultures we create.

    You are also correct when you say:

    The death toll of “anti-racism” is currently a drop in the bucket compared to what it will likely turn out to be.

    Forcing people who do not want to live together, to live together, is a very bad idea. There are currently organized invasions of all white cultures. The majority of these people are hostile to whites and our culture, especially Muslims. It will turn out to be very bloody indeed.

    The simple proposition is that we will all be happier and safer living with our own people in our own cultures. Yet you seem to oppose this. Why?

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    Why do you think I oppose people living with their own people?

    The problem isn't so much the mixing of different peoples. The main problem is traitorous whites (and (((fellow whites)))) who insist on turning whites into second-class citizens everywhere on earth. Having a few Muslims or whatever other groups in our society isn't necessarily so bad as long as they understand that they have to adapt to us and our values, not the other way around. That they can't expect special treatment and they can't disparage the host population in a chauvinistic way. Of course, the left insists that holding minorities to any sort of standards is "racist."

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  39. Rosie says:
    @AndrewR
    Good question. I've spent a lot of time pondering this myself. I'm not really imaginative enough to sketch out a detailed, plausible scenario, but I can point out some places to start thinking.

    What side will cops and the military take? I imagine that as long as their paychecks aren't bouncing, virtually all will do as told. We saw in Charlottesville how the cops all chose to enforce the most blatantly unconstitutional and illegal orders.

    Foreign powers: a real civil war in the US would obviously draw the whole world's attention and have them supporting and supplying different factions. We would even see actual invasions if the US military became dysfunctional enough.

    Fault lines: race would be a major one of course but the primary combatants on both main sides would be whites. I think there are probably millions of whites who would, if they could, happily try to kill anyone whom they deemed to be "Nazis," and, as is known by anyone who doesn't live in a cave, the left considers anyone who doesn't buy into explicitly anti-white ideology to be "Nazis." There will be a lot of "friendly fire" as opportunistic black thugs kill the idiot white leftists who worship them.

    What side will cops and the military take? I imagine that as long as their paychecks aren’t bouncing, virtually all will do as told. We saw in Charlottesville how the cops all chose to enforce the most blatantly unconstitutional and illegal orders.

    According to Conte, somehow this will have something to do with “women’s nature.”

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  40. Grumbler says:

    I am inclined to believe, as other posters here have argued, that the UTR episode in Charlottesville was a “synthetic event”.

    Briefly, I think Whites are starting to wake up more and more and TPTB are aware of this development. Because they cannot argue against Truth TPTB must resort to trickery to stomp out Whites’ opening their eyes. The best way to do this is to paint all Whites who reject the false religion of the Cult of Diversity as “Nazis”, a connotation that no one can defend. Therefore an event was staged.

    Instead of Unite The Right we should be trying to Unite The White.

    To do this we need to be subtle not ham fisted. The “It is Ok to be White” leaflets are far more effective than street brawling and Nazi salutes and behavior.

    If I had the skill and the money I would set up a White Anti-Defamation League website and report on the relentless acts of Anti-Whiteism. Things like this should be our tools, not violence. For now anyways.

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    To do this we need to be subtle not ham fisted. The “It is Ok to be White” leaflets are far more effective than street brawling and Nazi salutes and behavior.
     
    Could not agree more! It seem that all of our best memes come from the 4chan types. Richard Spencer, on the other hand ...
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  41. AndrewR says:
    @Mark Presco
    AndrewR, I can’t figure out where you are coming from. You are correct when you say:

    History, and current events, shows us that many, many, many humans have an astounding, seemingly boundless capacity to kill and die for even the most irrational belief systems.
     
    That is why I call Antiracism a religion. It is an irrational belief that there is absolutely no difference between the races. It is not about skin color, it is about the vastly different cultures we create.

    You are also correct when you say:

    The death toll of “anti-racism” is currently a drop in the bucket compared to what it will likely turn out to be.
     
    Forcing people who do not want to live together, to live together, is a very bad idea. There are currently organized invasions of all white cultures. The majority of these people are hostile to whites and our culture, especially Muslims. It will turn out to be very bloody indeed.

    The simple proposition is that we will all be happier and safer living with our own people in our own cultures. Yet you seem to oppose this. Why?

    Why do you think I oppose people living with their own people?

    The problem isn’t so much the mixing of different peoples. The main problem is traitorous whites (and (((fellow whites)))) who insist on turning whites into second-class citizens everywhere on earth. Having a few Muslims or whatever other groups in our society isn’t necessarily so bad as long as they understand that they have to adapt to us and our values, not the other way around. That they can’t expect special treatment and they can’t disparage the host population in a chauvinistic way. Of course, the left insists that holding minorities to any sort of standards is “racist.”

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  42. Jason Liu says:

    Being intimidated, deplatformed or harassed out of public view counts as losing. You can’t just say “we wouldn’t be losing if our opposition didn’t exist!”

    And there IS a lot of infighting and poor decision making among the alt-right. Nobody made that fat neckbeard sleep with his mother-in-law, or whatever. It’s kinda like the old Stormfront people. Individually they might be tougher than the average Antifa, but as a whole they lose because they can’t organize for shit.

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    This is consistent with my new paradigm. I now define the Left as collectivist and the Right as individualist.

    Collectivists are more socially active and their extremists are determined to dictate to all of us how to live, what to say and what to think. They have captured the social apparatus.

    The alt-Right is overly represented with the stereotypical individualistic white male who has a live and let live attitude. I would place classical liberals here. We won’t rise to collective behavior until absolutely necessary. That time is fast approaching.
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  43. AaronB says:

    The alt-right is going to fail because white culture lacks crucial mechanisms that would allow for an intelligent and successful strategy.

    Jews don’t talk in public about Jewish supremacism. In public they carefully support anti racism. However, they have an inherited tradition which emphasis their supremacy. So Jews possess cultural mechanisms that can promote group supremacism even while publicly presenting an anti-racist facade.

    In fact, Jews don’t even have to explicitly discuss a supremacist agenda among themselves, ever. The basic orientation is provided by inherited tradition, which allows for “cognitive dissonance” to

    The coordinating principle isn’t a consciously thought out plan but shared assumptions transmitted through inherited tradition, which shape collective behavior without anyone explicitly formulating objectives.

    Whites are simply too stupid to tolerate cognitive dissonance or act on implicit assumptions – everything must be painfully spelled out and publicly declared and rationally formulated according to the best traditions of rationalism and science.

    Lacking shared assumptions transmuted through an inherited tradition, white cultures lacks depth – it cannot deploy a sophisticated strategy of concealment and deception so crucial to success, nor can it rely on an implicit coordinating principle that doesn’t need to be spelled out.

    Whites can only pursue a stupid strategy of reasoning everything out, publicly declaring your intentions, and rationally and consciously formulating goals in a naive straightforward manner. Cognitive dissonance is too subtle to survive such stupidity.

    The rationality of white culture, and it’s destruction of inherited tradition and all non-rational assumptions, has made whites stupid and ill equipped for this struggle. White culture has lost depth and become entirely one-dimensional. In short, entirely reasonable.

    And there are no signs whatsoever that anyone among whites understands this and is shifting course. The “dissident right” continues to blab on about rationality and relying exclusively on conscious formulation for strategy.

    In short, the white approach is defined by too much consciousness and rationality, and is unable to shift course or even grasp that it has become stupid.

    The most likely outcome is failure, collapse, and humiliation on a large scale, which will finally discredit the hyper-rational and hyper-conscious approach and show it to be decisively inferior to the Jewish and Asian approach which balances appreciation for non-rational factors and inherited tradition with the selective utilization of rationality in specific contexts. This used to be the white approach during its successful period as well.

    A culture can be discredited through catastrophic failure, perhaps only in that way. Until that happens, people will insist on sticking to the old methods until events prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that it’s maladaptive.

    Whites developed a powerful new tool in rationality, but like all tools its successful utilization depended on context and it’s healthy integration into the culture depended on being balanced with other elements. By becoming so one-sidedly rational and conscious, white culture became maladaptive.

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    The American Alt-Right will not be able to understand this. Maybe a few Europeans might.
    , @James Forrestal
    This is a perceptive analysis in some ways, but it's rather interesting to not that you have such difficulty in distinguishing between the concepts of "stupidity" and "honesty," and seem to have such disdain for anyone with any concept of honesty (or honor) as a "freier." Are you Jewish, by any chance?

    The White approach is works very well-- in White countries. High-trust societies can be undermined by more ethnocentric, less honest groups (especially the most hyper-ethnocentric group of all). This is, of course, why Jews are so desperate to associate themselves with White societies, and to force those societies to open their borders. Of course, in the long run, this is self-defeating, as it destroys the host society, and "intelligent" (dishonest) groups like the Tribe have great difficulty in constructing high-trust societies of their own...

    Rationality in and of itself is not the problem. It's that the same low ethnocentricity, honesty, and sense of fairness/ justice that allows us to build high trust societies, also makes us vulnerable to hyperethnocentric parasites skilled at crypsis and pilpul.
    , @Anonymous
    What would a better approach look like? What features would it have? Can you offer examples?
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  44. Miro23 says:
    @Dante
    I read and agreed with your comment and just wanted to get your opinion of how might a civil war play out in your opinion ? It's gets mentioned a lot but I can't find anyone saying how it might come about. Mark Yuray thinks it's unlikely but I think it will happen just not sure what it might look like. Cheers

    I read and agreed with your comment and just wanted to get your opinion of how might a civil war play out in your opinion ? It’s gets mentioned a lot but I can’t find anyone saying how it might come about. Mark Yuray thinks it’s unlikely but I think it will happen just not sure what it might look like. Cheers

    There are quite a few examples:

    ALGERIA – The French incorporating Algeria into the French Republic. They installed a French administrative elite and encouraged ethnic French settlement. Algerians became 2nd class citizens in their own country with a secret resistance movement eventually sliding into a civil war and the violent expulsion of the French.

    INDIA – The British developing commercial settlements, eventually morphing into alliances with Indian leaders and imposed an Imperial administration run by ethnic British from London. Indians became 2nd class citizens in their own country with secret nationalist societies gaining influence (eventually mass passive resistance and the expulsion of the British with Indian Independence).

    SPAIN – A Republican leftist government increasing intimidated by their hard left Bolshevik inspired allies. They look the other way while leftist militias burn hundreds of churches and religious buildings, their media cheer and take down any traditionalist opposition. The spark for the rightist reaction was the 1936 murder of traditionalist leader Calvo-Sotelo by a leftist militia, resulting in a partial army revolt and Civil War (Republicans and their Bolshevik allies eventually crushed with the imposition of Franco’s dictatorship).

    ROMANIA – A classic Deep State left dictatorship with informers, secret police, a propagandist press and a protected elite headed by Nikolai Ceausescu. Various religious and other demonstrations coalesced around the town of Timisoara and were violently put down by security forces and the military. The public rejected Ceausescu and he was unprecedentedly heckled and booed in a staged rally in Bucharest. His secret police (Securitate) was overwhelmed in street fighting and the army turning against him. In one month (December 1989) he went from absolute dictator to a public trial and execution).

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    Thanks for your reply, Brilliant examples of how seemingly all powerful regimes went under quickly due to people power or people waking up to the real agenda of their treacherous elites. Thanks
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  45. Mark Presco says: • Website
    @Jason Liu
    Being intimidated, deplatformed or harassed out of public view counts as losing. You can't just say "we wouldn't be losing if our opposition didn't exist!"

    And there IS a lot of infighting and poor decision making among the alt-right. Nobody made that fat neckbeard sleep with his mother-in-law, or whatever. It's kinda like the old Stormfront people. Individually they might be tougher than the average Antifa, but as a whole they lose because they can't organize for shit.

    This is consistent with my new paradigm. I now define the Left as collectivist and the Right as individualist.

    Collectivists are more socially active and their extremists are determined to dictate to all of us how to live, what to say and what to think. They have captured the social apparatus.

    The alt-Right is overly represented with the stereotypical individualistic white male who has a live and let live attitude. I would place classical liberals here. We won’t rise to collective behavior until absolutely necessary. That time is fast approaching.

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  46. Jake says:

    There is no such thing as a ‘white culture,’ not to any meaningful degree.

    For example, the devout Presbyterian in Northern Ireland and the rather run of the mill English atheist/agnostic who loves the Queen both are UK proud, but are not part of one true culture, unless that culture can be defined as ‘anti-Christendom.’

    The Highland Catholic who has come to realize that no matter whether Scotland is independent or in the UK, whether the UK is in the EU or outside the EU, if there is no Christendom being rebuilt, the national and ethnic culture of Europe are dying by suicide is not part of the same culture as the two examples above of white citizens of the UK.

    Anti-Christendom whites have more in common with Jews than they do with pro-Christendom whites.

    That should finally be recognized by more people. Today, it should be absolutely clear that English anti-Christendom types may be exchanged with their French or German or Spanish or American versions. Also, it should be absolutely clear that per capita, Jews will control and rule over the alliance of anti-Christendom whites.

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    Anti-Christendom whites have more in common with Jews than they do with pro-Christendom whites.
     
    It's very questionable whether so-called Christian Zionist are genuinely Christian, let alone loyal to the US constitution or their host country.

    Some people label anti-Christian white people as traitors, but more precisely they are seditious and self-serving.

    Anti-Christian white people are generally hyper-materialistic and licentious and much rather prefer government granted group entitlements over the modesty, morals, honesty, and sexual decency of real Christians.

    All of these kinds of white people are a self-serving victim culture and they receive federal government granted group entitlements because of their primary identity, which is not white or Christian:

    White Feminist
    White Queers
    White Jews
    White Muslims
    White Disabled
    White Hispanic
    White Military Veterans
    White SJW Crony Capitalist
    White International Socialist
    White Zionist

    The US constitution set up 50 states with all reserved powers, forming 50 different political cultures doing primarily the will of the people that reside in each state.

    The constitution doesn't allow for an entitled-by-law national or international totalitarian victim mono-culture as it exists today.

    The existing national victim mono-culture that is supported by anti-Christian whites is not only anti-constitution, it is typically based on lies and innuendo.

    Each victim cult group has its own emotional story based on lies, and in some cases it's illegal or made impossible to even discuss their lies in public forums.

    The victim culture has dared to claim that mere words they don't favor are violence punishable like assault or battery or a federal hate speech crime.

    Their debasement of the constitution is obvious.

    , @Twodees Partain
    "Anti-Christendom whites" is a good use of terminology that points out the real division among people who self identify or are identified by government as white. I've seen quite a few commenters on various sites who identify themselves as white and also say that they are atheist or otherwise hostile or indifferent to Christianity.

    To such people the idea of restoring Christendom isn't among the goals they would support, even though Christendom wasn't a "whites only" segment of the civilized world.
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  47. @Colleen Pater
    Hate to say it but (((moldberg))) was right about the futility of street theatre by the right except on those rare occasions when the government is also right at which time why put on a production at all.
    Theres several structural; problems, first, the right is the side of order really above all else, and street theatre is disorder.The very people you wish to attract will be repelled by the disorder,arguing with them that you are opposing a greater long term threat to disorder is like arguing rational consistency with a leftist. Sure youre trying to only protest peacefully its the antifa, but the right guy knows if not for your action their would have been peace,you're essentially asking him to jump to the conclusion about the long term that you hoped your rally had it been allowed. The cops probably dont understand what you are really about because frankly the nazi shtick scares almost everyone, even if tongue in cheek,its an acquired taste thats pretty juvenile. Cops tend to be pretty conservative by which we mean conformist, and they tend to have families and want to work and obey orders.They are constantly being pulled by politics while trying to do a really impossible job and so tend to resist being pulled in as a trap they are too dumb to know how it works only that like a dog it always turns out bad.
    As a natural born reactionary old enough to be most of your grandfather Im not at all squeamish about any goals like say all white nations by whatever means necessary. But I want to win and there's almost no time left. The alt right has had some successes I dont think faux nuremberg rally is ever going to be one. I realize they are shutting down the most profitable path social media. You have the same problem all of the right does. In the end it will only be solved by civil war.but unlike the left the right is divided and so wont hit a critical mass for civil war unless things change.Meantime I would build bridges with the rest of right and with them start thing like a deep state.

    This is a valid point, but the reality goes beyond that. It’s not just that protests “work better” for the Left than for the Right. It’s that, in an important sense, these demonstrations are just theater. They’re not a way to gain power, but demonstrations of power. They form the basis of a media narrative that gives the establishment cover to go farther in the direction that they wanted to go anyway.

    Seeing the protests as an independent source of power, in and of themselves, is cargo cult thinking. It ignores the reality of media/ academic/ financial/ government control. Not to mention “nonprofit” foundations — look up the Reece Committee report sometime. Things haven’t improved in the 60+ years since.

    Seeing things in terms of “Left” and “Right” is increasingly irrelevant with the ongoing diversification of the country, though. Identity > ideology. Our hostile elite is not “leftist,” they are anti-White.

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  48. @Bill TotenWeiss
    White supremacist tears are extra salty.

    But Jew supremacist whining, on the other hand…

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  49. Anonymous[164] • Disclaimer says:
    @AaronB
    The alt-right is going to fail because white culture lacks crucial mechanisms that would allow for an intelligent and successful strategy.

    Jews don't talk in public about Jewish supremacism. In public they carefully support anti racism. However, they have an inherited tradition which emphasis their supremacy. So Jews possess cultural mechanisms that can promote group supremacism even while publicly presenting an anti-racist facade.

    In fact, Jews don't even have to explicitly discuss a supremacist agenda among themselves, ever. The basic orientation is provided by inherited tradition, which allows for "cognitive dissonance" to

    The coordinating principle isn't a consciously thought out plan but shared assumptions transmitted through inherited tradition, which shape collective behavior without anyone explicitly formulating objectives.

    Whites are simply too stupid to tolerate cognitive dissonance or act on implicit assumptions - everything must be painfully spelled out and publicly declared and rationally formulated according to the best traditions of rationalism and science.

    Lacking shared assumptions transmuted through an inherited tradition, white cultures lacks depth - it cannot deploy a sophisticated strategy of concealment and deception so crucial to success, nor can it rely on an implicit coordinating principle that doesn't need to be spelled out.

    Whites can only pursue a stupid strategy of reasoning everything out, publicly declaring your intentions, and rationally and consciously formulating goals in a naive straightforward manner. Cognitive dissonance is too subtle to survive such stupidity.

    The rationality of white culture, and it's destruction of inherited tradition and all non-rational assumptions, has made whites stupid and ill equipped for this struggle. White culture has lost depth and become entirely one-dimensional. In short, entirely reasonable.

    And there are no signs whatsoever that anyone among whites understands this and is shifting course. The "dissident right" continues to blab on about rationality and relying exclusively on conscious formulation for strategy.

    In short, the white approach is defined by too much consciousness and rationality, and is unable to shift course or even grasp that it has become stupid.

    The most likely outcome is failure, collapse, and humiliation on a large scale, which will finally discredit the hyper-rational and hyper-conscious approach and show it to be decisively inferior to the Jewish and Asian approach which balances appreciation for non-rational factors and inherited tradition with the selective utilization of rationality in specific contexts. This used to be the white approach during its successful period as well.

    A culture can be discredited through catastrophic failure, perhaps only in that way. Until that happens, people will insist on sticking to the old methods until events prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that it's maladaptive.

    Whites developed a powerful new tool in rationality, but like all tools its successful utilization depended on context and it's healthy integration into the culture depended on being balanced with other elements. By becoming so one-sidedly rational and conscious, white culture became maladaptive.

    The American Alt-Right will not be able to understand this. Maybe a few Europeans might.

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    I've accepted that. I've completely given up on America and no longer take anything here seriously. I plan on getting out for good in a few years, possibly to Europe.

    It's mentally quite liberating - I'm only half here. Enagging with Americans on any level makes one stupid.
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  50. @AaronB
    The alt-right is going to fail because white culture lacks crucial mechanisms that would allow for an intelligent and successful strategy.

    Jews don't talk in public about Jewish supremacism. In public they carefully support anti racism. However, they have an inherited tradition which emphasis their supremacy. So Jews possess cultural mechanisms that can promote group supremacism even while publicly presenting an anti-racist facade.

    In fact, Jews don't even have to explicitly discuss a supremacist agenda among themselves, ever. The basic orientation is provided by inherited tradition, which allows for "cognitive dissonance" to

    The coordinating principle isn't a consciously thought out plan but shared assumptions transmitted through inherited tradition, which shape collective behavior without anyone explicitly formulating objectives.

    Whites are simply too stupid to tolerate cognitive dissonance or act on implicit assumptions - everything must be painfully spelled out and publicly declared and rationally formulated according to the best traditions of rationalism and science.

    Lacking shared assumptions transmuted through an inherited tradition, white cultures lacks depth - it cannot deploy a sophisticated strategy of concealment and deception so crucial to success, nor can it rely on an implicit coordinating principle that doesn't need to be spelled out.

    Whites can only pursue a stupid strategy of reasoning everything out, publicly declaring your intentions, and rationally and consciously formulating goals in a naive straightforward manner. Cognitive dissonance is too subtle to survive such stupidity.

    The rationality of white culture, and it's destruction of inherited tradition and all non-rational assumptions, has made whites stupid and ill equipped for this struggle. White culture has lost depth and become entirely one-dimensional. In short, entirely reasonable.

    And there are no signs whatsoever that anyone among whites understands this and is shifting course. The "dissident right" continues to blab on about rationality and relying exclusively on conscious formulation for strategy.

    In short, the white approach is defined by too much consciousness and rationality, and is unable to shift course or even grasp that it has become stupid.

    The most likely outcome is failure, collapse, and humiliation on a large scale, which will finally discredit the hyper-rational and hyper-conscious approach and show it to be decisively inferior to the Jewish and Asian approach which balances appreciation for non-rational factors and inherited tradition with the selective utilization of rationality in specific contexts. This used to be the white approach during its successful period as well.

    A culture can be discredited through catastrophic failure, perhaps only in that way. Until that happens, people will insist on sticking to the old methods until events prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that it's maladaptive.

    Whites developed a powerful new tool in rationality, but like all tools its successful utilization depended on context and it's healthy integration into the culture depended on being balanced with other elements. By becoming so one-sidedly rational and conscious, white culture became maladaptive.

    This is a perceptive analysis in some ways, but it’s rather interesting to not that you have such difficulty in distinguishing between the concepts of “stupidity” and “honesty,” and seem to have such disdain for anyone with any concept of honesty (or honor) as a “freier.” Are you Jewish, by any chance?

    The White approach is works very well– in White countries. High-trust societies can be undermined by more ethnocentric, less honest groups (especially the most hyper-ethnocentric group of all). This is, of course, why Jews are so desperate to associate themselves with White societies, and to force those societies to open their borders. Of course, in the long run, this is self-defeating, as it destroys the host society, and “intelligent” (dishonest) groups like the Tribe have great difficulty in constructing high-trust societies of their own…

    Rationality in and of itself is not the problem. It’s that the same low ethnocentricity, honesty, and sense of fairness/ justice that allows us to build high trust societies, also makes us vulnerable to hyperethnocentric parasites skilled at crypsis and pilpul.

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    I'm half Jewish, and was raised among jews. I also spent a ton of time in Asia on business. I'm somewhat well positioned to have a perspective on the differences between white and other cultures.

    Let's take the Japanese as an example - very high trust society, uses logic and reason selectively to achieve certain goals but has an inherited tradition and a strong connection to non-rational factors.

    You say rationality is not the problem - but it's rationality that has destroyed your inherited tradition and your ability to promote group interests on the basis of unspoken shared assumptions.

    Rationality has made you vulnerable to pilpul by making your culture one-dimensional and lacking in defenses against those who employ rationality ad a weapon.

    I'm obviously not opposed to rationality I just think if taken to an unbalanced extreme like everything it becomes destructive.

    That it was taken to an extreme was probably inevitable, as the limits of its effectiveness as a total approach to life could not become apparent any other way. And even now the limits of this approach are not apparent to many - catastrophe and humiliation are necessary for this approach to be finally discredited, much as China could not understand the magnitude of the challenge posed by the West and continued using its old strategies until catastrophe and humiliation could no longer be ignored.

    Cultural systems rarely escape the force of inertia until their maladaptiveness is demonstrated beyond ant shadow of a doubt
    , @Anonymous
    It really isn't just that. There are plenty of highly homogenous, white European countries without much Jewish influence that are abolishing themselves in similar ways. When you killed your spiritual selves, you replaced the will to power with a will to death.

    In that, both the SJW Left and Alt-Right is but a manifestation of this and even those yearning for civil war. Its not really about the winning, which seems increasingly distant from the radicalizing Alt-Right: it resembles a desire for death, except perhaps on their own terms.

    You live in the mortally ill shell of what was a people, and you're still fighting the secondary infestations.
    , @AaronB
    Oh, and I don't actually think whites are stupid - there's obviously more smart whites than jews in absolute numbers.

    But too much rationality has made whites, quite literally, temporarily stupid. There just no other way to say it.
    , @AaronB
    And instead of mocking crypsis why not realize that it is an effective tool used by all cultures that possess the mechanisms to make it viable - an inherited tradition and unspoken shared assumptions.

    That's the problem with whites - doubling down and defending maladaptive elements of your own culture rather than being humble enough to learn from other cultures. Just with those "insect like Asian grinds" - instead of relearning the virtues of hard work like your forebears you double down.

    You haven't experienced enough humiliation yet to learn humility - but you will. You're still defending your maladaptive practices rather than undergoing the painful process of self criticism - but enough pain, and you will. This is the exact same trajectory China followed and is inevitable for all successful civilizations that have grown complacent when faced with new challenges.
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  51. AaronB says:
    @Anonymous
    The American Alt-Right will not be able to understand this. Maybe a few Europeans might.

    I’ve accepted that. I’ve completely given up on America and no longer take anything here seriously. I plan on getting out for good in a few years, possibly to Europe.

    It’s mentally quite liberating – I’m only half here. Enagging with Americans on any level makes one stupid.

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  52. AaronB says:
    @James Forrestal
    This is a perceptive analysis in some ways, but it's rather interesting to not that you have such difficulty in distinguishing between the concepts of "stupidity" and "honesty," and seem to have such disdain for anyone with any concept of honesty (or honor) as a "freier." Are you Jewish, by any chance?

    The White approach is works very well-- in White countries. High-trust societies can be undermined by more ethnocentric, less honest groups (especially the most hyper-ethnocentric group of all). This is, of course, why Jews are so desperate to associate themselves with White societies, and to force those societies to open their borders. Of course, in the long run, this is self-defeating, as it destroys the host society, and "intelligent" (dishonest) groups like the Tribe have great difficulty in constructing high-trust societies of their own...

    Rationality in and of itself is not the problem. It's that the same low ethnocentricity, honesty, and sense of fairness/ justice that allows us to build high trust societies, also makes us vulnerable to hyperethnocentric parasites skilled at crypsis and pilpul.

    I’m half Jewish, and was raised among jews. I also spent a ton of time in Asia on business. I’m somewhat well positioned to have a perspective on the differences between white and other cultures.

    Let’s take the Japanese as an example – very high trust society, uses logic and reason selectively to achieve certain goals but has an inherited tradition and a strong connection to non-rational factors.

    You say rationality is not the problem – but it’s rationality that has destroyed your inherited tradition and your ability to promote group interests on the basis of unspoken shared assumptions.

    Rationality has made you vulnerable to pilpul by making your culture one-dimensional and lacking in defenses against those who employ rationality ad a weapon.

    I’m obviously not opposed to rationality I just think if taken to an unbalanced extreme like everything it becomes destructive.

    That it was taken to an extreme was probably inevitable, as the limits of its effectiveness as a total approach to life could not become apparent any other way. And even now the limits of this approach are not apparent to many – catastrophe and humiliation are necessary for this approach to be finally discredited, much as China could not understand the magnitude of the challenge posed by the West and continued using its old strategies until catastrophe and humiliation could no longer be ignored.

    Cultural systems rarely escape the force of inertia until their maladaptiveness is demonstrated beyond ant shadow of a doubt

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    You say rationality is not the problem – but it’s rationality that has destroyed your inherited tradition and your ability to promote group interests on the basis of unspoken shared assumptions.

    Rationality has made you vulnerable to pilpul by making your culture one-dimensional and lacking in defenses against those who employ rationality ad a weapon.
     
    I'm sure you meant for all that to be razor-sharp, incontestable, and fully predictive. However, the entire comment comes off as babble. I read it all the way through -- twice. It's drivel. You said, and substantiated, nothing.
    , @Rosie

    Rationality has made you vulnerable to pilpul by making your culture one-dimensional and lacking in defenses against those who employ rationality ad a weapon.
     
    That's ending now. We're learning how to say,

    "We're not arguing here."
    -Mike Enoch, TDS #275
    , @Anonymous
    Rationality has made you vulnerable to pilpul by making your culture one-dimensional and lacking in defenses against those who employ rationality ad a weapon.

    Could you elaborate on this (and perhaps restate it)? Hard for me to follow the reasoning. How does one deploy rationality as a weapon?
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  53. Anonymous[204] • Disclaimer says:
    @James Forrestal
    This is a perceptive analysis in some ways, but it's rather interesting to not that you have such difficulty in distinguishing between the concepts of "stupidity" and "honesty," and seem to have such disdain for anyone with any concept of honesty (or honor) as a "freier." Are you Jewish, by any chance?

    The White approach is works very well-- in White countries. High-trust societies can be undermined by more ethnocentric, less honest groups (especially the most hyper-ethnocentric group of all). This is, of course, why Jews are so desperate to associate themselves with White societies, and to force those societies to open their borders. Of course, in the long run, this is self-defeating, as it destroys the host society, and "intelligent" (dishonest) groups like the Tribe have great difficulty in constructing high-trust societies of their own...

    Rationality in and of itself is not the problem. It's that the same low ethnocentricity, honesty, and sense of fairness/ justice that allows us to build high trust societies, also makes us vulnerable to hyperethnocentric parasites skilled at crypsis and pilpul.

    It really isn’t just that. There are plenty of highly homogenous, white European countries without much Jewish influence that are abolishing themselves in similar ways. When you killed your spiritual selves, you replaced the will to power with a will to death.

    In that, both the SJW Left and Alt-Right is but a manifestation of this and even those yearning for civil war. Its not really about the winning, which seems increasingly distant from the radicalizing Alt-Right: it resembles a desire for death, except perhaps on their own terms.

    You live in the mortally ill shell of what was a people, and you’re still fighting the secondary infestations.

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    It really isn’t just that. There are plenty of highly homogenous, white European countries without much Jewish influence that are abolishing themselves in similar ways.
     
    Countries that have undergone a non-stop process of Americanization over the entire post-WW2 period. Not so true in former Soviet Bloc countries. Territories of the former Yugoslavia somewhere in the middle.
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  54. AaronB says:
    @James Forrestal
    This is a perceptive analysis in some ways, but it's rather interesting to not that you have such difficulty in distinguishing between the concepts of "stupidity" and "honesty," and seem to have such disdain for anyone with any concept of honesty (or honor) as a "freier." Are you Jewish, by any chance?

    The White approach is works very well-- in White countries. High-trust societies can be undermined by more ethnocentric, less honest groups (especially the most hyper-ethnocentric group of all). This is, of course, why Jews are so desperate to associate themselves with White societies, and to force those societies to open their borders. Of course, in the long run, this is self-defeating, as it destroys the host society, and "intelligent" (dishonest) groups like the Tribe have great difficulty in constructing high-trust societies of their own...

    Rationality in and of itself is not the problem. It's that the same low ethnocentricity, honesty, and sense of fairness/ justice that allows us to build high trust societies, also makes us vulnerable to hyperethnocentric parasites skilled at crypsis and pilpul.

    Oh, and I don’t actually think whites are stupid – there’s obviously more smart whites than jews in absolute numbers.

    But too much rationality has made whites, quite literally, temporarily stupid. There just no other way to say it.

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  55. @Jake
    There is no such thing as a 'white culture,' not to any meaningful degree.

    For example, the devout Presbyterian in Northern Ireland and the rather run of the mill English atheist/agnostic who loves the Queen both are UK proud, but are not part of one true culture, unless that culture can be defined as 'anti-Christendom.'

    The Highland Catholic who has come to realize that no matter whether Scotland is independent or in the UK, whether the UK is in the EU or outside the EU, if there is no Christendom being rebuilt, the national and ethnic culture of Europe are dying by suicide is not part of the same culture as the two examples above of white citizens of the UK.

    Anti-Christendom whites have more in common with Jews than they do with pro-Christendom whites.

    That should finally be recognized by more people. Today, it should be absolutely clear that English anti-Christendom types may be exchanged with their French or German or Spanish or American versions. Also, it should be absolutely clear that per capita, Jews will control and rule over the alliance of anti-Christendom whites.

    Anti-Christendom whites have more in common with Jews than they do with pro-Christendom whites.

    It’s very questionable whether so-called Christian Zionist are genuinely Christian, let alone loyal to the US constitution or their host country.

    Some people label anti-Christian white people as traitors, but more precisely they are seditious and self-serving.

    Anti-Christian white people are generally hyper-materialistic and licentious and much rather prefer government granted group entitlements over the modesty, morals, honesty, and sexual decency of real Christians.

    All of these kinds of white people are a self-serving victim culture and they receive federal government granted group entitlements because of their primary identity, which is not white or Christian:

    White Feminist
    White Queers
    White Jews
    White Muslims
    White Disabled
    White Hispanic
    White Military Veterans
    White SJW Crony Capitalist
    White International Socialist
    White Zionist

    The US constitution set up 50 states with all reserved powers, forming 50 different political cultures doing primarily the will of the people that reside in each state.

    The constitution doesn’t allow for an entitled-by-law national or international totalitarian victim mono-culture as it exists today.

    The existing national victim mono-culture that is supported by anti-Christian whites is not only anti-constitution, it is typically based on lies and innuendo.

    Each victim cult group has its own emotional story based on lies, and in some cases it’s illegal or made impossible to even discuss their lies in public forums.

    The victim culture has dared to claim that mere words they don’t favor are violence punishable like assault or battery or a federal hate speech crime.

    Their debasement of the constitution is obvious.

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  56. Wally says:
    @Jonathan Revusky
    Personally, I'm pretty sure (maybe not quite at the 100.0% level, but close...) that the whole incident in Charlottesville was just staged Deep State agitprop. I remember one video I saw on youtube that analyzed frame by frame video of the various scuffles on the street between antifa and alt-right people. The conclusion was that it was all fake fighting, analogous to what you have in professional wrestling.

    As for Richard Spencer, I have a very strong suspicion that he is some sort of Deep State agent provocateur. For example, if you look at this video:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyVhXsih8sM

    Obviously the people doing a fascist salute are plants, but Spencer seems to be complicit with the whole mise en scene.

    So, if, as I suspect, Spencer is controlled opposition, and obviously, the whole antifa thing is controlled opposition, then what we have here is just some Deep State theatrical production.

    The first act of resistance, at least in my view, is to immediately cease and desist from discussing events that are basically fake as if they were real.

    Actually, the term I used in an article on this site was synthetic event. It is absolutely necessary not to confuse synthetic and organic events.

    said:
    “Actually, the term I used in an article on this site was synthetic event.”

    And there is no event more absurdly “synthetic” than the so called ‘holocaust’.

    There is simply no proof for the claims of ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’.
    In fact the claims are simply scientifically impossible, ridiculously so.

    It has become THE tool of dominance used by Jews over Euro-white gentiles.
    The immense cash, preferential treatment, and political power gained by Jews from it makes it the biggest fraud in history.
    Nothing changes until it’s fraudulence is openly discussed.
    I know it, we all know it.

    The ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the ‘holocaust’ scam debunked here: http://codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here: http://forum.codoh.com

    The ‘holocaust’ storyline is one of the most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. That is why those who question it are arrested and persecuted. That is why violent, racist, & privileged supremacist Jews demand censorship. What sort of truth is it that denies free speech and the freedom to seek the truth? Truth needs no protection from scrutiny.
    Only liars demand censorship.

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    there is no event more absurdly “synthetic” than the so called ‘holocaust’.
     
    Well, I tend to agree with you. In fact, the entire AngloZionist version of World War 2 is the biggest RRN (Roger Rabbit Narrative) of them all. However, I think you really ought to rethink your basic strategy and tactics for how you are going to get this message across to people.


    The ‘holocaust’ storyline is one of the most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. That is why those who question it are arrested and persecuted. That is why violent, racist, & privileged supremacist Jews demand censorship. What sort of truth is it that denies free speech and the freedom to seek the truth? Truth needs no protection from scrutiny.
    Only liars demand censorship.
     
    The above is all true, I grant, but it is off topic. Unfortunately, pasting in this boilerplate text continually in unrelated conversations tends to give people the impression that you're just a crank.
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  57. fnn says:
    @Anonymous
    It really isn't just that. There are plenty of highly homogenous, white European countries without much Jewish influence that are abolishing themselves in similar ways. When you killed your spiritual selves, you replaced the will to power with a will to death.

    In that, both the SJW Left and Alt-Right is but a manifestation of this and even those yearning for civil war. Its not really about the winning, which seems increasingly distant from the radicalizing Alt-Right: it resembles a desire for death, except perhaps on their own terms.

    You live in the mortally ill shell of what was a people, and you're still fighting the secondary infestations.

    It really isn’t just that. There are plenty of highly homogenous, white European countries without much Jewish influence that are abolishing themselves in similar ways.

    Countries that have undergone a non-stop process of Americanization over the entire post-WW2 period. Not so true in former Soviet Bloc countries. Territories of the former Yugoslavia somewhere in the middle.

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    Jewish influence --> United States --> Europe
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  58. Antifa are a bunch of pussies. The alt right needs more members with courage and guts to confront these spineless sacks. I’ve seen enough Antifa videos to know it wouldn’t take much to hurt and make these fools think twice about attending another rally.

    The alt right could also dress members as Antifa and portray itself as reasonable. Keep doing this till your membership exceeds Antifa and gain control over the ground game.

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  59. KenH says:
    @Anon
    There is a lot of blame to go around on the Alt Right, but yes, the main reason is that the POWER colludes against it.

    Let's wind back to Charlottesville. Alt Right and allies(some of them loathsome to be sure) did everything by the book. They had the Constitution and Federal judge on their side.

    Their plan was to rally and give speeches. Unlike antifa scum, they showed respect to authorities and offered to cooperate.

    Now, suppose the rally and speech had been allowed. It woulda happened, it would have made some news, and everyone would have gone home. Some would have liked the ideas, some would hated them. Alt Right would have gained fans, lost fans, etc.

    But what happened? The system violated the Constitutional Rights of Unite the Right rally. The Jewish mayor and black sheriff told the cops to just let antifa scum hang around and make trouble. Then, the police shut down the event when Alt Right did NOTHING wrong. Then, the police willfully pushed the Alt Right into the street to face the Antifa and BLM. And the police did NOTHING to prevent the ensuing melee, mostly antifa and BLM against Unite the Right.

    In a state of panic, some guy named Fields floored the accelerator and ran into a car that hit people, and a woman died of shock.

    So, how did the Jewish-run media spin this? Alt Right killed three people. Two in copter accident and some woman by 'terrorist' attack.
    There was no coverage of the Jewish weasel mayor and the lowlife black sheriff. There was no mention of violation of Constitutional rights. There was no mention of how cops pushed Alt Right into Antifa to do battle. There was no mention that most of the violence by the Right was in self-defense. There was no mention of how the Unite the Right rally was in defense of monuments being torn down, even of the venerable Robert E. Lee.
    And even the scum GOP was hailing Antifa as akin to US soldiers in WWII battling Nazis.
    Charlottesville wasn't like the 68 Democratic Convention melee where the police counter-rioted because of anti-war protesters provocations. The Alt Right didn't provoke cops. It didn't even call for a rumble with Antifa. The riot was instigated by the police at the behest of the Jewish mayor and black police chief. The Power has allowed Antifa scum to run riot. Even though the Power claims to defend rule of law, it will use para-thug force like Antifa who don't fear consequences since tons of Jewish money will work to bail them out and represent them in court.

    The Jewish-run media, that is silent about the killing and oppression of Palestinians, said "there is only one side". But this is the rotten media that have allowed Bush's illegal war in Iraq, Obama's illegal wars in Libya, Ukraine, and Syria. It's the media that works with Deep State to alienate and vilify Russia. Why? Jews own the media and hate Russia for not allowing total Jewish monopoly takeover of Russia. This is a lying weasel media.

    But, the Power decided to shut down sites. Not just Daily Stormer which admittedly is deranged. But even Liddell and Nowicki's Alternative Right blog even though they weren't even at the rally.
    Counter-Currents had nothing to do with the rally, but they had to get new blog host. Radix was shut down.

    Now, imagine this. AIPAC holds rallies that call for US support of Zionist imperialism against Palestinians. And possible war against Iran, a nation that never did us wrong. And Zionists support the horror in Syria. Israel has been working with Saudis to mess up Syria most royally. These Zionists even get Neo-Nazi types in Ukraine to pull off a coup.
    But AIPAC rallies attract Congressmen and big names. They have the backing of media power and financial power.

    But Alt Right cannot even put up blogs. And then, Jewish-run Paypal deny service to almost all Alt Right guys. Even Jared Taylor is targeted even though he had NOTHING to do with the Charlottesville rally. Paypal allows service to all the Deep State goons who mess up the world. It allows service to Zionist supremacists who kill Palestinian women and children. Paypal allows service to rapper thugs who sing about gangsterism and thuggery that promotes bloodbath. Paypal allows service to Nation of Islam because Jews are afraid of angry blacks and want to maintain alliance with blacks against whites.

    But when it comes to Alt Right people and white national liberationists? They must be shut down... along with BDS of course... which is under the threat of being criminalized all across the US.

    And then the Twitter purge. And the Youtube purge... even against BDS voices and Ryan Dawson who isn't Alt Right.
    We see a pattern here. Jewish power will shut down anyone whom it deems threatening to the Narrative.
    Recently, RT was banned from broadcasting in DC. So much for free flow of ideas. What hubris. Only the Monopoly Media is True News and all counter voices are 'fake news'.

    Also, there are all these frivolous lawsuits against people who attended Charlottesville.
    If anything, the Alt Right should sue the city for violation of Constitutional Rights, but guess what....
    Law firms will not represent the Alt Right. Law firms will represent scum like Jonathan Pollard and that low-life rabbi merchant pardoned recently by Donald Trump. They will represent corrupt politicians, greedy corporations, Zionist supremacists, deep state torturers and terrorists, but they will not offer service to Alt Right. THIS is the legal system in the US.
    Even if some law firms want to represent the Alt Right, they are afraid because Jewish nexus of media, finance, and other law firms will do everything to destroy the law firm that dares to represent controversial figures.

    That said, the Alt Right really jumped the gun. Ramzpaul is right. Spencer should never have rubbed shoulders with the likes of Anglin, even if only in conversation. Anglin maybe has value as clown show, and that's about it. If Alt Right is to be a serious movement, it can't be associated with people whose main thing is to act the clown and do a skinhead version of Howard Stern. Also, the idea of uniting the right is good but why associate the right with scum like KKK and Neo-Nazis? Why not send a clear message that Alt Right is NOT with that garbage? But Spencer and co. didn't, and they deserve blame for associating Alt Right with garbage right. Purely from a strategic viewpoint, what was Spencer and co. thinking? The media are owned by Jews. If even just a few arrive with Nazi flags or KKK costume, the media will focus only on that. Alt Right itself should have gone antifa on Nazis and skinheads.

    It seems the alternative right keep failing with both Nazis and Zionists. Matt Heimbach could have done good work with the working class. But the fatass malt-right clown has zero imagination and just larped as fat nazi and encouraged his moron goons to give hitler salutes. There goes Trad Worker that is now Trash Worker. Nazi stuff simply can't be salvaged. The most one can do is say there was some good things about Nazism. But overall, it's too toxic. It's like one can laud certain aspects of Stalinism but it's toxic too. Even leftists don't want to wave Stalin's banner.
    But all these gimps and goons who feel small are attracted to Nazi stuff as some magical talisman.

    But Jared Taylor is also deluded. Taylor has a zero tolerance policy for anyone who is against Jewish power and Israel. American Renaissance deletes any view critical of Jewish power, and he won't invite any guests who discuss the Jewish Question. So, how has this served him? Under guidance of ADL, Twitter banned Taylor. Jewish-run Paypal denies him service.
    As long as Taylor's message is white identity, Jews will hate him no matter how much he praises Jews or expresses admiration for Israel. Why? Because Jewish supremacism depends on White Submissivism, which Taylor rejects.
    It's good for Taylor to reject obvious neo-nazi elements, but he's deluded if he thinks Jewish power will go easy on him because he won't allow 'antisemitic' talk in his forum. Indeed, because he's an intelligent and relatively classy person on the Right, Jewish power sees him as especially dangerous.

    One thing for sure, the Alt Right hasn't yet produced The One. A truly worthy leader. Spencer, a spoiled pretty boy, is too much a vain narcissist to lead the movement. He failed to realize that the Alt Right became a thing only with the media spotlight in the Age of Trump. Until then, he had failed to develop a movement from ground up. Rather, he saw a spotlight on him, and he enjoyed the attention. And he thought the spotlight would be on him forever because he's got the charm. But when your movement depends on attention from above, it will become zero when the spotlight is shut off. For a movement to have real power, it has to generate fire on its own and the fire must spread. That way, even if the Power offers no spotlight on the movement, it has caught fire and it illuminates the world from ground up. That is a real movement.
    But Spencer fell into the Buckley Trap. William F. Buckley loved the limelight and his conservatism became a cult of celebrity. Spencer, because of his pretty boy looks and charming smile, had been the go-to guy for the media when it came to Alt Right. As long as the spotlight was on him, he loved the attention and wanted more. But you can't have a movement based on attention from above because what the Big Media giveth, it can taketh away. A real movement is when you got support from below even when those above you try to shut you down.
    Now, this isn't to say Spencer hasn't convictions. He certainly has. If he really just wanted to coast on celebrity, he could have tailored the Alt Right to be more like Alt Light and not discuss controversial issues. But he stuck to his worldview and his guns. But then, precisely because he chose to stick to hardcore ideas, he should have known that the Power would eventually shut off the spotlight on him. And then what? The only real movement is one where you have backing from the people.
    It's like Chinese communists failed miserably in trying to take over a city. They got slaughtered by KMT, and the movement had to begin again among the peasantry that made up the bulk of Chinese people.
    Alt Right should have identified its potential demographic base and gained a foothold there. But there is too much of fratboy mentality among Spencer and co. Too much drinking and partying. To much media addiction. Too much mugging for the camera.
    Building a base requires real work. Spencer and co. would have to roll up the sleeves and connect with people... like David Treadup as missionary in THE CALL or like George Bailey with the greaser folks in IT'S A WONDERFUL LIFE. But Spencer and co. don't have a humanist bone in their body. Like their proggy counterparts, they are into idolatry even if they worship different idols. Progs worship Black Panther, and Spencer and co. are into Batman(LOL) and the Faustian something-or-other that's gonna take us to Mars and all that Michio-Cuckoo nuttery. It's all about idols and celebrity and egomania. It goes against humanism, which is what everyone needs in this degenerate age. Blacks would do much better if they stopped worshiping trashy celebs and appreciated womenfolk in the past like mama in RAISIN IN THE SUN and IMITATION OF LIFE. And whites would do better to develop a feeling for the kind of folks in GRAPES OF WRATH and IT'S A WONDERFUL LIFE. But the rise of LA DOLCE VITA mania corrupted everyone. Even poor 'white trash' Americans who need to straighten out their lives have, as culture, trashy celebrities who shake their booties like skankass sluts. But we live in a nation where churches bow down before the homo ass instead of having homos trying to atone for their sins before God.

    In the long run, the best chance any movement has is to become a religion or a cult. In other words, Alt Right must become an Alt Rite. Take Islam. Why has it lasted for so long? Unlike Alexander and Genghis, Muhammad founded a religion. And even though Mormonism is a silly kind of culture, why has it lasted and why is it still going strong? It is a religion, a faith, a conviction, a kind of new covenant. Myth, like art, is forever. What the white race needs to do is find its own covenant with the Ultimate Power. But goyim are not good with prophetics. There is more prophetic power in a single pinky of Darren Aronofsky than in the entire Alt Right.

    That said, the Alt Right really jumped the gun. Ramzpaul is right.

    You make some good points but then you kind of lose me by punching right and trashing people like Anglin and the Nazis. Anglin wasn’t even present at the rally. The radical left has their share of Anglin’s but they aren’t trashing them and as a rule the left doesn’t punch left. Antifags are the left’s Nazis and in case you haven’t notice members on both sides of the political spectrum sung their praises for “fighting fascism”.

    Then you mention Jared Taylor who hasn’t made the same mistakes you say Richard Spencer has and has never associated with any Nazis. Nevertheless, and also as you point out, he’s been punished just as severely as alt-rightists. He was also forced to cancel his annual conference for two straight years resulting from leftist death threats and threats of violence against hotel owners. Now he’s forced to hold the conference in a government facility since they can’t discriminate.

    The bottom line is (((the system))) has a bestial hatred of any white person who doesn’t hate themselves and will subject them to doxxing, deplatforming and financial ruination no matter how respectable you conduct yourself or how enthusiastic you disavow other members of the racialist right.

    If anything the fallout of Charlottesville exposed some character deficiencies among the self styled leaders of the alt-right. Richard Spencer disavowed Jason Kessler for poking fun of Heather Heyer. This disavowal won him no plaudits from the left and they still targeted him for frivolous lawsuits related to Chartlottesville anyway.

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    My main issue with Neo-Nazis isn't strategic. I find them morally repulsive.

    It's one thing to take a critical look at NS and see some good and promising things in it.

    But taken as a whole, it was a disaster. And even more frightening, if Germans had won in Russia, it would led to the greatest horror to ever befall mankind.

    One has to be a psycho to defend Nazi garbage.

    I'm not punching right. I'm punching wrong.

    The wrong must be punched. Also, the truth isn't between left and right but in the useful combination of both. That was the promise of fascism, but Mussolini and Hitler really flushed it down the toilet.

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  60. @AaronB
    I'm half Jewish, and was raised among jews. I also spent a ton of time in Asia on business. I'm somewhat well positioned to have a perspective on the differences between white and other cultures.

    Let's take the Japanese as an example - very high trust society, uses logic and reason selectively to achieve certain goals but has an inherited tradition and a strong connection to non-rational factors.

    You say rationality is not the problem - but it's rationality that has destroyed your inherited tradition and your ability to promote group interests on the basis of unspoken shared assumptions.

    Rationality has made you vulnerable to pilpul by making your culture one-dimensional and lacking in defenses against those who employ rationality ad a weapon.

    I'm obviously not opposed to rationality I just think if taken to an unbalanced extreme like everything it becomes destructive.

    That it was taken to an extreme was probably inevitable, as the limits of its effectiveness as a total approach to life could not become apparent any other way. And even now the limits of this approach are not apparent to many - catastrophe and humiliation are necessary for this approach to be finally discredited, much as China could not understand the magnitude of the challenge posed by the West and continued using its old strategies until catastrophe and humiliation could no longer be ignored.

    Cultural systems rarely escape the force of inertia until their maladaptiveness is demonstrated beyond ant shadow of a doubt

    You say rationality is not the problem – but it’s rationality that has destroyed your inherited tradition and your ability to promote group interests on the basis of unspoken shared assumptions.

    Rationality has made you vulnerable to pilpul by making your culture one-dimensional and lacking in defenses against those who employ rationality ad a weapon.

    I’m sure you meant for all that to be razor-sharp, incontestable, and fully predictive. However, the entire comment comes off as babble. I read it all the way through — twice. It’s drivel. You said, and substantiated, nothing.

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  61. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says: • Website
    @KenH

    That said, the Alt Right really jumped the gun. Ramzpaul is right.
     
    You make some good points but then you kind of lose me by punching right and trashing people like Anglin and the Nazis. Anglin wasn't even present at the rally. The radical left has their share of Anglin's but they aren't trashing them and as a rule the left doesn't punch left. Antifags are the left's Nazis and in case you haven't notice members on both sides of the political spectrum sung their praises for "fighting fascism".

    Then you mention Jared Taylor who hasn't made the same mistakes you say Richard Spencer has and has never associated with any Nazis. Nevertheless, and also as you point out, he's been punished just as severely as alt-rightists. He was also forced to cancel his annual conference for two straight years resulting from leftist death threats and threats of violence against hotel owners. Now he's forced to hold the conference in a government facility since they can't discriminate.

    The bottom line is (((the system))) has a bestial hatred of any white person who doesn't hate themselves and will subject them to doxxing, deplatforming and financial ruination no matter how respectable you conduct yourself or how enthusiastic you disavow other members of the racialist right.

    If anything the fallout of Charlottesville exposed some character deficiencies among the self styled leaders of the alt-right. Richard Spencer disavowed Jason Kessler for poking fun of Heather Heyer. This disavowal won him no plaudits from the left and they still targeted him for frivolous lawsuits related to Chartlottesville anyway.

    My main issue with Neo-Nazis isn’t strategic. I find them morally repulsive.

    It’s one thing to take a critical look at NS and see some good and promising things in it.

    But taken as a whole, it was a disaster. And even more frightening, if Germans had won in Russia, it would led to the greatest horror to ever befall mankind.

    One has to be a psycho to defend Nazi garbage.

    I’m not punching right. I’m punching wrong.

    The wrong must be punched. Also, the truth isn’t between left and right but in the useful combination of both. That was the promise of fascism, but Mussolini and Hitler really flushed it down the toilet.

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    National Socialism was a relatively peaceful and quite unifying force in Germany from 1933 to 1939. As practiced, it was also very successful in raising that nation's morale as well as its standard of living during that time (especially when compared to the economic misery found in the US during the 30s.)

    Before WWII, Hitler's Germany was widely admired on many fronts. Yes, its internal policies were anti-Jewish, but not lethally so. It took a the most destructive war in human history for that to happen. There were no concentration camps in National Socialist Germany before 1942.

    But if National Socialism is "morally repulsive", they why aren't you be delivering that message to the foremost National Socialist state now in existence?--the parasitic, hyper-militarized, ethnic-cleansing, supremacist state of Israel.

    Please send them the message. Please spread the word.

    , @Wally
    Oh yawn. Another weak, redneck, privileged Jew screaming about 'Nazi this, Nazi that' nonsense. Hilarious.
    The problem for you is there were the ‘Nazis’ with the mythological '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers' and there were the ‘Nazis’ without the mythological ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’.

    You simply have no chance in a real debate because you defend what is utterly & scientifically impossible, you are defending a crude & unhinged, crumbling religion, aka: 'the holocau$t'

    The '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers' are scientifically impossible frauds.
    See the 'holocaust' scam debunked here: http://codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here: http://forum.codoh.com


    The "Holocau$t Industry" in court:
    'Please your honor, there really are remains of millions buried in huge mass graves, we know where the mass graves are, ... but, but, well, umm, we can't show the court the human remains. You must trust us, we're Zionists.'
     
    The times are a changin', like it or not.
    Cheers.
    , @Stonehands
    Hitler and Jalmer Schact nationalized Germany’s Jewish Wall Street central bank . For this effrontery, Churchill/ Roosevelt and Co. were willing to enslave half the world as compensation to their Soviet communist partners.

    So instead of the rectitude of the 3rd Reich... you, and all of your institutions have been drowned in the vomit of (((cultural Marxism))).
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  62. Who covers their faces with masks? Why do they do that? Must have something to hide..

    It is my opinion that most of the alt right thing is a “deep state” job to make anyone who speaks out against Zionist control of America look like a racist, and it is counter productive to the cause of ending the Zionist control.
    Like it or not there are a lot of black folks, and other non-crackers here in America, and they are just as brainwashed about things as everyone else.
    Alt right is getting way ahead of themselves, best thing they can do if they want to change things is educate people on the control fake Jews have over our society, and the problems it causes for all races.
    They destroy the black community with drugs, violent music, handing out guns to gangs, poor education, etc.
    Try to find common ground, unite against the real enemy, as hard as it may be sometimes. It won’t be easy no doubt because they control the media and the message. But I think it should be the first step.
    Until black, whites, browns all understand who is in control, and how they are destroying all communities, and using their control over media to stir the race pot 24/7, you’ve got to make all Americans see this or you’re not gonna get anywhere.
    The fighting on TV with the shields and all the other ridiculous stuff really is making you look bad to everyone who still gets their “news” from the brainwash box, and there is still a large number of voters who do. I know it sucks..
    Go listen to some Farrakhan speeches, we’re all not so different. After we get everyone educated, and hopefully get our voices heard, then you can talk about separation, nationalism, or whatever else.
    People are waking up, no doubt, Trumps election alone proves this, if people were still cucked they would have voted for Hillary, Jeb or Cruz. So don’t give up, just try to see things from the other sides perspective, as hard as it may be sometimes. The goy on goy racism isn’t helping, trust me.
    I can understand why a lot of the more extreme voices usually come from Cali or other liberal areas, where the media stirs up hatred so bad, even here in Ga it gets hard, friends of mine that work with blacks tell me all the time how the media incitement makes it very difficult to go to work, how much tension there is between people. We all seen it during the election when the media was making ALL Trump voters out as racists. I sympathize with the Alt right, I don’t know what they have personally been through that may have caused them to go to such an extreme.
    This is why I think that “deep state”, Zionists, Fake Jews, Globalists, whatever you call them are behind some of the Alt right stuff, they know how divisive it is. Its the tried and true method of divide and conquer.
    I’m not putting anyone down, I know its an incredibly difficult thing to do, thats why they’re flooding us with immigrants, they know that this will make it even more difficult to achieve peace and happiness, but you have to treat people like you want to be treated if you want to change America for the better. The only purpose politicians serve nowadays is to keep us hating/fighting each other, same with the media. TPTB have had black and white goy at each others throats for decades now, where has it gotten us?
    Just my opinion. Try finding some websites visited by blacks, and commenting there, like you do here, don’t offend people, wake them up.

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  63. Rosie says:
    @AaronB
    I'm half Jewish, and was raised among jews. I also spent a ton of time in Asia on business. I'm somewhat well positioned to have a perspective on the differences between white and other cultures.

    Let's take the Japanese as an example - very high trust society, uses logic and reason selectively to achieve certain goals but has an inherited tradition and a strong connection to non-rational factors.

    You say rationality is not the problem - but it's rationality that has destroyed your inherited tradition and your ability to promote group interests on the basis of unspoken shared assumptions.

    Rationality has made you vulnerable to pilpul by making your culture one-dimensional and lacking in defenses against those who employ rationality ad a weapon.

    I'm obviously not opposed to rationality I just think if taken to an unbalanced extreme like everything it becomes destructive.

    That it was taken to an extreme was probably inevitable, as the limits of its effectiveness as a total approach to life could not become apparent any other way. And even now the limits of this approach are not apparent to many - catastrophe and humiliation are necessary for this approach to be finally discredited, much as China could not understand the magnitude of the challenge posed by the West and continued using its old strategies until catastrophe and humiliation could no longer be ignored.

    Cultural systems rarely escape the force of inertia until their maladaptiveness is demonstrated beyond ant shadow of a doubt

    Rationality has made you vulnerable to pilpul by making your culture one-dimensional and lacking in defenses against those who employ rationality ad a weapon.

    That’s ending now. We’re learning how to say,

    “We’re not arguing here.”
    -Mike Enoch, TDS #275

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    Lmao you and Enoch just proved his point, loudly, stupidly declaring your intentions. It's all black or white, on or off. One dimensional.

    Jews, in contrast, always have an "argument". Subtle like that.
    , @Steve Gittelson


    Rationality has made you vulnerable to pilpul by making your culture one-dimensional and lacking in defenses against those who employ rationality ad a weapon.

     

    That’s ending now. We’re learning how to say,
     
    On the other hand, some of us feel that people who use the Jewish coinage "pilpul" a lot could use a good foot or so of hobnail boot up the ass. Just as a way of saying, "Knock it off with the pseudo-intellectual affectation, asshole."
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  64. Watch this Ernst Zundel video, go to 50 min. 20 second mark, the protesters outside Ernsts house look and act just like antifa, those are JDL members, Zionists. Thats who is behind Antifa, Black Lives Matter, ISIS, KKK in its later years, extreme skinheads, all the divisive groups are funded by the same folks.
    Ernst Zundel – Off Your Knees, Germany!

    New Al Jazeera doc on Antifa, I haven’t watched it yet, but may be worth checking out.
    This is Antifa: Behind the mask of the US anti-fascist movement

    https://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/faultlines/2018/04/antifa-mask-anti-fascist-movement-180401091653302.html

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    I watched a few minutes of it. It looks like any other MSM mockup of a "revealing documentary" and appears more a promotion piece for antifa than a critical examination.
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  65. @Anon
    My main issue with Neo-Nazis isn't strategic. I find them morally repulsive.

    It's one thing to take a critical look at NS and see some good and promising things in it.

    But taken as a whole, it was a disaster. And even more frightening, if Germans had won in Russia, it would led to the greatest horror to ever befall mankind.

    One has to be a psycho to defend Nazi garbage.

    I'm not punching right. I'm punching wrong.

    The wrong must be punched. Also, the truth isn't between left and right but in the useful combination of both. That was the promise of fascism, but Mussolini and Hitler really flushed it down the toilet.

    National Socialism was a relatively peaceful and quite unifying force in Germany from 1933 to 1939. As practiced, it was also very successful in raising that nation’s morale as well as its standard of living during that time (especially when compared to the economic misery found in the US during the 30s.)

    Before WWII, Hitler’s Germany was widely admired on many fronts. Yes, its internal policies were anti-Jewish, but not lethally so. It took a the most destructive war in human history for that to happen. There were no concentration camps in National Socialist Germany before 1942.

    But if National Socialism is “morally repulsive”, they why aren’t you be delivering that message to the foremost National Socialist state now in existence?–the parasitic, hyper-militarized, ethnic-cleansing, supremacist state of Israel.

    Please send them the message. Please spread the word.

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    National Socialism was a relatively peaceful and quite unifying force in Germany from 1933 to 1939.

    But something BIG happened after 1939.

    It's like Maoism wasn't so crazy prior to the Great Leap. But Great Leap happened and then Cultural Revolution.

    We have to look at the whole picture.

    But if National Socialism is “morally repulsive”, they why aren’t you be delivering that message to the foremost National Socialist state now in existence?–the parasitic, hyper-militarized, ethnic-cleansing, supremacist state of Israel.

    I don't have a problem with the core concept of a 'national socialism'. One can argue FDR's New Deal was one too. One can argue the original Swedish social-democratic was also national-socialist.

    So, as a general principle, national socialism isn't a problem. But in the German case, it turned imperialist and genocidal. So, the particular kind of National Socialism aka Nazism became repulsive. It didn't need to be, but Hitler was Fuhrer and he chose madness.

    As for Israel, again, the problem isn't national socialism per se. If Israelis want to maintain their own ethno-state, I don't think anyone would care anymore. Israel is a done deal. But the Occupation of West Bank is clearly imperialist and on the verge of ethnic cleansing. If Jews annex West Bank and if Palestinians rise up, what then? Another Nakba?

    A national socialism becomes morally repulsive once it goes into imperialist mode. And in this, Israel is following in the model of German National Socialism. And American Jews who created horrible conditions in Libya and Syria are making things worse.

    If this continues, people are going to call Zionists Judeo-Nazis.

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  66. Wally says:
    @Anon
    My main issue with Neo-Nazis isn't strategic. I find them morally repulsive.

    It's one thing to take a critical look at NS and see some good and promising things in it.

    But taken as a whole, it was a disaster. And even more frightening, if Germans had won in Russia, it would led to the greatest horror to ever befall mankind.

    One has to be a psycho to defend Nazi garbage.

    I'm not punching right. I'm punching wrong.

    The wrong must be punched. Also, the truth isn't between left and right but in the useful combination of both. That was the promise of fascism, but Mussolini and Hitler really flushed it down the toilet.

    Oh yawn. Another weak, redneck, privileged Jew screaming about ‘Nazi this, Nazi that’ nonsense. Hilarious.
    The problem for you is there were the ‘Nazis’ with the mythological ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ and there were the ‘Nazis’ without the mythological ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’.

    You simply have no chance in a real debate because you defend what is utterly & scientifically impossible, you are defending a crude & unhinged, crumbling religion, aka: ‘the holocau$t’

    The ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ are scientifically impossible frauds.
    See the ‘holocaust’ scam debunked here: http://codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here: http://forum.codoh.com

    The “Holocau$t Industry” in court:
    ‘Please your honor, there really are remains of millions buried in huge mass graves, we know where the mass graves are, … but, but, well, umm, we can’t show the court the human remains. You must trust us, we’re Zionists.’

    The times are a changin’, like it or not.
    Cheers.

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  67. Anonymous[668] • Disclaimer says:
    @blahbahblah
    The alt-right had already gone to shit before Charlottesville. How the fuck are you going to sell nationalism when you have self-appointed leaders nobody in their right mind would want to associate with? What the fuck were those rallies suppose to achieve? Why not meet up and just talk to each other? There is no plan except to make noise. The alt-right died when it went from whispering to banging pots and pans. Richard Spencer had 100x the influence alternativeright and radix than he did making a complete fucking fool of himself in public.

    Spencer and the other leftist media-appointed “leaders of the Alt Right” aren’t selling American nationalism. They are trying to sell the forced deportation of “non-White” United States citizens and the creation of a Whites-only nation-state.

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    Spencer isn't a serious person. No one is who advocates ethnic cleansing or the creation of a "Whites-only" nation state to replace the United States.
    , @Daniel Chieh
    Spencer and the media sitting in a tree, kissing...first comes love...

    ...then comes Brazil.
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  68. Anonymous[668] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tbbh
    Make sure to buy tiki torches and publicly chant about jews. (((They))) really like that.

    From your little shindig, in spite of many claiming that it did not happen: https://youtu.be/RIrcB1sAN8I

    On a serious note, neo-nazi white trashionalists are not your allies. If anything, the left loves them, as they allow anybody conservative to be painted as a nazi or neo-nazi. It is HORRIBLE RETARDED OPTICS. They drag down all real conservatives.

    If you want your things to stop hurting, stop constantly stepping on your own dick.

    You’re wrong. Spencer’s goal of a “Whites-only” nation-state was always going to fail. Dead on arrival in the United States.

    Spencer and these other White supremacists mistook Trump’s success for their own. It was Trumpist nationalism that energized people in 2015-2016. And it was Trumpism that won. Spencer–with an assist from the mainstream media–hijacked the movement.

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    “... It was Trumpist nationalism that energized people in 2015-2016. “


    Believe me, the Whites with skin in this game are underwhelmed by the jewy idiotic machinations of Trump and the maloderous efforts of all our “public service “ moron/ traitors in DC - with their not so thinly veiled attempts at a bureaucratic coup d’etat.

    My prediction is the maul/rt. will be “de- energized”come midterms and the retardicans will be taken to the woodshed ...

    As l have said before, the only recourse is a heeping serving of hot lead “go fuck yourselves.”
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  69. Anonymous[668] • Disclaimer says:
    @Seamus Padraig
    Exactly. What are these rallies supposed to accomplish other than simply furnishing the government and the antifa goons with targets? I am not sold Richard Spencer's methods.

    If you are not sold on his methods, are you sold on his goal–an “Whites-only” nation state?

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    I'm closer to being a civic-nationalist (à la Steve Sailer) than a white-nationalist like Spencer. The only way to achieve a whites-only America at this point in time would be to secede and create a new, little America somehow.

    But this country was founded by, settled by and largely built by whites, and ours is a white, occidental and Christian culture in origin. That is our Leitkultur, as the Germans would say--our dominant culture. There's no need for us to deny or apologize for any of that. It would still be possible to extend equal rights before the law to the other races without enforcing a cult of white self-hatred.

    That'd be my goal.
    , @Pericles
    White ethnostates are fine. White ethnostates work. Europe had plenty of them up to just 30 years ago or even less. Post-WW2, the great and good Allies cleansed several countries, by forced migration, in order to make them more purely ethnical.
    , @Pericles


    If you are not sold on his methods, are you sold on his goal–an “Whites-only” nation state?

     

    Are you actively criticizing and working against nation states of other colors? Just curious.

    (Time to remind readers: 'Nation - A large body of people united by common descent, history, culture, or language, inhabiting a particular state or territory'. I see that several online dictionaries now have begun altering the word into more pliant, modern definitions. Remember it while you can.)
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  70. Anonymous[668] • Disclaimer says:
    @AaronB
    The alt-right is going to fail because white culture lacks crucial mechanisms that would allow for an intelligent and successful strategy.

    Jews don't talk in public about Jewish supremacism. In public they carefully support anti racism. However, they have an inherited tradition which emphasis their supremacy. So Jews possess cultural mechanisms that can promote group supremacism even while publicly presenting an anti-racist facade.

    In fact, Jews don't even have to explicitly discuss a supremacist agenda among themselves, ever. The basic orientation is provided by inherited tradition, which allows for "cognitive dissonance" to

    The coordinating principle isn't a consciously thought out plan but shared assumptions transmitted through inherited tradition, which shape collective behavior without anyone explicitly formulating objectives.

    Whites are simply too stupid to tolerate cognitive dissonance or act on implicit assumptions - everything must be painfully spelled out and publicly declared and rationally formulated according to the best traditions of rationalism and science.

    Lacking shared assumptions transmuted through an inherited tradition, white cultures lacks depth - it cannot deploy a sophisticated strategy of concealment and deception so crucial to success, nor can it rely on an implicit coordinating principle that doesn't need to be spelled out.

    Whites can only pursue a stupid strategy of reasoning everything out, publicly declaring your intentions, and rationally and consciously formulating goals in a naive straightforward manner. Cognitive dissonance is too subtle to survive such stupidity.

    The rationality of white culture, and it's destruction of inherited tradition and all non-rational assumptions, has made whites stupid and ill equipped for this struggle. White culture has lost depth and become entirely one-dimensional. In short, entirely reasonable.

    And there are no signs whatsoever that anyone among whites understands this and is shifting course. The "dissident right" continues to blab on about rationality and relying exclusively on conscious formulation for strategy.

    In short, the white approach is defined by too much consciousness and rationality, and is unable to shift course or even grasp that it has become stupid.

    The most likely outcome is failure, collapse, and humiliation on a large scale, which will finally discredit the hyper-rational and hyper-conscious approach and show it to be decisively inferior to the Jewish and Asian approach which balances appreciation for non-rational factors and inherited tradition with the selective utilization of rationality in specific contexts. This used to be the white approach during its successful period as well.

    A culture can be discredited through catastrophic failure, perhaps only in that way. Until that happens, people will insist on sticking to the old methods until events prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that it's maladaptive.

    Whites developed a powerful new tool in rationality, but like all tools its successful utilization depended on context and it's healthy integration into the culture depended on being balanced with other elements. By becoming so one-sidedly rational and conscious, white culture became maladaptive.

    What would a better approach look like? What features would it have? Can you offer examples?

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    He did, so did some others. He said that you had to rebuild an actual sense of spirituality and connection, which allowed you to use methods other than rationality. At the height of white dominance during colonialism, for example, white elites still did not display the xenophobia of the current Alt-Right. They created an Indian elite, they played Indians off whites, and they often spoke of saving souls, even colored ones.

    ...and yes, in during so, they might have shat upon fellow lower-class whites. And that's where everything runs into issues for you. But that's the reality.

    The system only worked so as long as it was based on faith, served the elite, and was riding heavily on hypocrisy - even then. And yet it probably worked better for the race, even though it meant corruption, nepotism and class behavior.

    The full embrace of rationality makes it impossible to make subtle arguments, or adopted sophisticated behavior: you can no longer be like Japan, for example, where it is completely legal to immigrate but you simply run a culture that's too difficult for someone to immigrate into. You cannot be like the Jews, who genuinely believe that they are improving the world by wrecking that of their enemies, all while speaking morally and debating with sincerity with each other about improving the world.

    You've adopted a blunt instrument, used it well, and no longer know anything else. The completeness of this is that you have become almost totally blind to the methods even as you see it used against you. You speak of "sliding slope" but then the Alt-Right advocates for extremes, instead of small increments. You laugh at the Coalition of the Fringes, but schism on the dumbest things such as Christianity with ardor. The entire circlejerk has turned not into something serious, but into large-scale group therapy which at this point, is essentially begging its enemies for victory.

    "Give us a civil war! We will be united then! Despite our total lack of organization, it was caused by media attack, we will do so much better under physical attack! Pay no attention to the results of South Africa! A MIRACLE WILL HAPPEN."

    So...yes. That's what he's talking about.
    , @AaronB
    It's somewhat self-defeating to try and consciously devise a better approach when our current predicament is the result of an over-reliance on conscious approaches in general.

    However, a few points can be briefly sketched perhaps through the use of examples.

    Let's take Japan again as a useful case example. The Japanese believe in this nebulous concept called "spirit" - basically they believe that effort and determination can overcome all obstacles. Obviously they take it too far but at the same time this belief motivates the entire nation to make a maximum effort in everything they do, no matter how trivial. The Japanese economic "miracle" is nothing less than this.

    Now contrast this with the fatalism and despair-inducing belief in genetic determinism that afflicts us. Steve Sailor with an ironic and sardonic smile will tell that your position in the world is an ineffable emanation of your genetic potential there is little you can do to affect.

    Meanwhile Asians and Jews with their irrational belief in non genetic factors like "spirit" are laughing at you and eating your lunch as they just work harder than you despite having fewer high IQ people than you in America - but you have Steve Sailers and John Derbyshire sardonic smile to comfort you as you slide comfortably into oblivion.

    Take the concept of nation or prople. It's irrational and nebulous and cannot be seen or defined clearly or detected by scientific instruments - naturally therefore white hyper-rationality destroys belief in it and make everyone into selfish individualists. Everyone else, meanwhile, laughs at us as they act collectively to promote group interests on the basis of belief in this utterly non rational entity.

    Clearly, like dark matter and gravity, certain things cannot be seen or detected but belief in them is absolutely necessary if humans are to successfully navigate their way through the world and if the equation so are going to add up. Somehow, whites can only see this when it applies to physics, not human life.

    Because hyper rationality has literally
    made whites stupid - depressed their cognitive function to the point where they can't think clearly.

    The basic difference in approach is - develop an appreciation for non rational factors, burst free of the prison house of logic and learn to use it as a tool again only, start believing in things you can't prove through logic or detect through scientific instruments but seem indicated by life and circumstances, relearn to be comfortable with fuzzy and vague concepts and ideas that nevertheless have tremendous impact and stop insisting on the stupid Descartian "simple, clear" ideas as the only ones worth focusing on. Finally, reconstitute an inherited tradition based on appreciation for the non rational

    Simple, no?

    This is why the situation is hopeless - only collapse and humiliation will lead to the massive shift in course needed, and to the current system being discredited.
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  71. Anonymous[668] • Disclaimer says:
    @AaronB
    I'm half Jewish, and was raised among jews. I also spent a ton of time in Asia on business. I'm somewhat well positioned to have a perspective on the differences between white and other cultures.

    Let's take the Japanese as an example - very high trust society, uses logic and reason selectively to achieve certain goals but has an inherited tradition and a strong connection to non-rational factors.

    You say rationality is not the problem - but it's rationality that has destroyed your inherited tradition and your ability to promote group interests on the basis of unspoken shared assumptions.

    Rationality has made you vulnerable to pilpul by making your culture one-dimensional and lacking in defenses against those who employ rationality ad a weapon.

    I'm obviously not opposed to rationality I just think if taken to an unbalanced extreme like everything it becomes destructive.

    That it was taken to an extreme was probably inevitable, as the limits of its effectiveness as a total approach to life could not become apparent any other way. And even now the limits of this approach are not apparent to many - catastrophe and humiliation are necessary for this approach to be finally discredited, much as China could not understand the magnitude of the challenge posed by the West and continued using its old strategies until catastrophe and humiliation could no longer be ignored.

    Cultural systems rarely escape the force of inertia until their maladaptiveness is demonstrated beyond ant shadow of a doubt

    Rationality has made you vulnerable to pilpul by making your culture one-dimensional and lacking in defenses against those who employ rationality ad a weapon.

    Could you elaborate on this (and perhaps restate it)? Hard for me to follow the reasoning. How does one deploy rationality as a weapon?

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  72. Anonymous[668] • Disclaimer says:
    @fnn

    It really isn’t just that. There are plenty of highly homogenous, white European countries without much Jewish influence that are abolishing themselves in similar ways.
     
    Countries that have undergone a non-stop process of Americanization over the entire post-WW2 period. Not so true in former Soviet Bloc countries. Territories of the former Yugoslavia somewhere in the middle.

    Jewish influence –> United States –> Europe

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  73. Anonymous[668] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosie

    Rationality has made you vulnerable to pilpul by making your culture one-dimensional and lacking in defenses against those who employ rationality ad a weapon.
     
    That's ending now. We're learning how to say,

    "We're not arguing here."
    -Mike Enoch, TDS #275

    Lmao you and Enoch just proved his point, loudly, stupidly declaring your intentions. It’s all black or white, on or off. One dimensional.

    Jews, in contrast, always have an “argument”. Subtle like that.

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  74. Anonymous[668] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    Spencer and the other leftist media-appointed "leaders of the Alt Right" aren't selling American nationalism. They are trying to sell the forced deportation of "non-White" United States citizens and the creation of a Whites-only nation-state.

    Spencer isn’t a serious person. No one is who advocates ethnic cleansing or the creation of a “Whites-only” nation state to replace the United States.

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    Spencer isn’t a serious person. No one is who advocates ethnic cleansing or the creation of a “Whites-only” nation state to replace the United States.

     

    Yeah, politics is the art of the possible and this is so remote from anything possible that it's basically just crank stuff really.

    Given that, why is it that somebody like this gets so much attention from the media? In my view, people who do not at least suspect that this guy is some kind of shill are people with a very limited understanding of the world.
    , @Pericles
    We can be quite certain that the Really Serious Persons will never get there, in any case.
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  75. The ruling class deploys “ISIS” overseas and “Antifa” at home.

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  76. Mr. Anon says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    These fake alt-right rallies are just food for the media to use as fodder against Americans.
     
    Well, yeah. My view is that people have to start seriously considering the possibility that both sides in these events are fake.

    Or largely fake anyway. It's true that in some cases the people participating on the street level in a controlled opposition movement may sincerely believe that they are involved with some genuine dissident movement. For example, the Maidan movement in Ukraine. I assume some of the protesters were sincere. But that doesn't mean that the thing isn't basically a controlled astroturf sort of thing. Well, anyway, I recognize that these are nuanced, complex questions.

    There are some genuine scholarly works on the history of the protest movements in the sixties and Cointelpro and all that. I intend to do a bit of further reading. My sense is that any analysis of these sorts of things that ignores the whole problem of infiltration of agent provocateur types, that's not going to be much of an analysis.

    To just assume that all of these things organically happen is to be very naive indeed.

    As for this article above, is there some explanation of why the author needs anonymity?

    Well, yeah. My view is that people have to start seriously considering the possibility that both sides in these events are fake.

    Should we consider that you – and everything you say – is fake too? Indeed, do you even exist? Are you not merely a “synthetic” internet personality?

    Reflexive denial of anything and everything as a false-flag is not an indicator of wisdom. It is an indicator of dementia or idiocy.

    You are not a seer. You are a demented crank.

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  77. Mr. Anon says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    Saying “Alt-right rallies had drawn violence” is like saying those German women in Cologne had “drawn sexual assault.”
     
    The mass sexual assault in Cologne of New Year's Eve 2015 is pretty clearly a hoax. I wrote an article about this topic last year.

    I suppose it's not very surprising that this article about one synthetic staged bullshit event would make reference to other events that are also, in turn hoaxes. It all constitutes a big self-referential synthetic reality.

    The mass sexual assault in Cologne of New Year’s Eve 2015 is pretty clearly a hoax. I wrote an article about this topic last year.

    And why should anyone care? Your articles are boring, logorrheic, and silly. Let me guess what you said……….it’s all a false flag. Only the undiscovered genius Revusky has eyes to see what is obscure to all other mortals. That is what all your articles say.

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  78. @Anonymous
    Spencer and the other leftist media-appointed "leaders of the Alt Right" aren't selling American nationalism. They are trying to sell the forced deportation of "non-White" United States citizens and the creation of a Whites-only nation-state.

    Spencer and the media sitting in a tree, kissing…first comes love…

    …then comes Brazil.

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  79. Zorost says:

    “The Respectable Right will continue to be called “racist” or “linked to white nationalists” until the fall of the Republic itself.”

    On the bright side, that is only a few years away so no need for them to change strategies now!

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  80. @Jake
    There is no such thing as a 'white culture,' not to any meaningful degree.

    For example, the devout Presbyterian in Northern Ireland and the rather run of the mill English atheist/agnostic who loves the Queen both are UK proud, but are not part of one true culture, unless that culture can be defined as 'anti-Christendom.'

    The Highland Catholic who has come to realize that no matter whether Scotland is independent or in the UK, whether the UK is in the EU or outside the EU, if there is no Christendom being rebuilt, the national and ethnic culture of Europe are dying by suicide is not part of the same culture as the two examples above of white citizens of the UK.

    Anti-Christendom whites have more in common with Jews than they do with pro-Christendom whites.

    That should finally be recognized by more people. Today, it should be absolutely clear that English anti-Christendom types may be exchanged with their French or German or Spanish or American versions. Also, it should be absolutely clear that per capita, Jews will control and rule over the alliance of anti-Christendom whites.

    “Anti-Christendom whites” is a good use of terminology that points out the real division among people who self identify or are identified by government as white. I’ve seen quite a few commenters on various sites who identify themselves as white and also say that they are atheist or otherwise hostile or indifferent to Christianity.

    To such people the idea of restoring Christendom isn’t among the goals they would support, even though Christendom wasn’t a “whites only” segment of the civilized world.

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    “Anti-Christendom whites” is a good use of terminology that points out the real division among people who self identify or are identified by government as white. I’ve seen quite a few commenters on various sites who identify themselves as white and also say that they are atheist or otherwise hostile or indifferent to Christianity.
     
    What ignorant, idiotic prejudice! Mother of God, you fool, go to the church you prefer. Negotiate with other citizens for political oversight of society. Get your head OUT of your ass with respect to other people's beliefs. Nobody with a lick of sense gives a shit about your longing to restore Charlemagne.
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  81. @Mark Presco
    Apparently you have a comprehension problem. No one here is talking about white nationalists starting a civil war. The discussion is how to survive the civil unrest that will follow an economic collapse.

    Mark, that troll doesn’t care what’s being said. His responses are always off-topic. Ignore him and he’ll go away.

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  82. @redmudhooch
    Watch this Ernst Zundel video, go to 50 min. 20 second mark, the protesters outside Ernsts house look and act just like antifa, those are JDL members, Zionists. Thats who is behind Antifa, Black Lives Matter, ISIS, KKK in its later years, extreme skinheads, all the divisive groups are funded by the same folks.
    Ernst Zundel - Off Your Knees, Germany!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzr3Aj71HQc

    New Al Jazeera doc on Antifa, I haven't watched it yet, but may be worth checking out.
    This is Antifa: Behind the mask of the US anti-fascist movement
    https://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/faultlines/2018/04/antifa-mask-anti-fascist-movement-180401091653302.html

    I watched a few minutes of it. It looks like any other MSM mockup of a “revealing documentary” and appears more a promotion piece for antifa than a critical examination.

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  83. @Anonymous
    Spencer isn't a serious person. No one is who advocates ethnic cleansing or the creation of a "Whites-only" nation state to replace the United States.

    Spencer isn’t a serious person. No one is who advocates ethnic cleansing or the creation of a “Whites-only” nation state to replace the United States.

    Yeah, politics is the art of the possible and this is so remote from anything possible that it’s basically just crank stuff really.

    Given that, why is it that somebody like this gets so much attention from the media? In my view, people who do not at least suspect that this guy is some kind of shill are people with a very limited understanding of the world.

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  84. @Rosie

    Rationality has made you vulnerable to pilpul by making your culture one-dimensional and lacking in defenses against those who employ rationality ad a weapon.
     
    That's ending now. We're learning how to say,

    "We're not arguing here."
    -Mike Enoch, TDS #275

    Rationality has made you vulnerable to pilpul by making your culture one-dimensional and lacking in defenses against those who employ rationality ad a weapon.

    That’s ending now. We’re learning how to say,

    On the other hand, some of us feel that people who use the Jewish coinage “pilpul” a lot could use a good foot or so of hobnail boot up the ass. Just as a way of saying, “Knock it off with the pseudo-intellectual affectation, asshole.”

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  85. @Twodees Partain
    "Anti-Christendom whites" is a good use of terminology that points out the real division among people who self identify or are identified by government as white. I've seen quite a few commenters on various sites who identify themselves as white and also say that they are atheist or otherwise hostile or indifferent to Christianity.

    To such people the idea of restoring Christendom isn't among the goals they would support, even though Christendom wasn't a "whites only" segment of the civilized world.

    “Anti-Christendom whites” is a good use of terminology that points out the real division among people who self identify or are identified by government as white. I’ve seen quite a few commenters on various sites who identify themselves as white and also say that they are atheist or otherwise hostile or indifferent to Christianity.

    What ignorant, idiotic prejudice! Mother of God, you fool, go to the church you prefer. Negotiate with other citizens for political oversight of society. Get your head OUT of your ass with respect to other people’s beliefs. Nobody with a lick of sense gives a shit about your longing to restore Charlemagne.

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    Stevie, you seem to have been triggered. i just wrote that Jake's terminology made sense, not that I wanted "political oversight of society" (whatever that is supposed to mean). While you're having this seizure of yours, does it occur to you that I fail to give a shit what some asshole like you thinks?

    I'll respond to your insult by inviting you to kiss my ass. I would also kindly suggest that you go fuck yourself at your earliest convenience.
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  86. Anonymous[164] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    What would a better approach look like? What features would it have? Can you offer examples?

    He did, so did some others. He said that you had to rebuild an actual sense of spirituality and connection, which allowed you to use methods other than rationality. At the height of white dominance during colonialism, for example, white elites still did not display the xenophobia of the current Alt-Right. They created an Indian elite, they played Indians off whites, and they often spoke of saving souls, even colored ones.

    …and yes, in during so, they might have shat upon fellow lower-class whites. And that’s where everything runs into issues for you. But that’s the reality.

    The system only worked so as long as it was based on faith, served the elite, and was riding heavily on hypocrisy – even then. And yet it probably worked better for the race, even though it meant corruption, nepotism and class behavior.

    The full embrace of rationality makes it impossible to make subtle arguments, or adopted sophisticated behavior: you can no longer be like Japan, for example, where it is completely legal to immigrate but you simply run a culture that’s too difficult for someone to immigrate into. You cannot be like the Jews, who genuinely believe that they are improving the world by wrecking that of their enemies, all while speaking morally and debating with sincerity with each other about improving the world.

    You’ve adopted a blunt instrument, used it well, and no longer know anything else. The completeness of this is that you have become almost totally blind to the methods even as you see it used against you. You speak of “sliding slope” but then the Alt-Right advocates for extremes, instead of small increments. You laugh at the Coalition of the Fringes, but schism on the dumbest things such as Christianity with ardor. The entire circlejerk has turned not into something serious, but into large-scale group therapy which at this point, is essentially begging its enemies for victory.

    “Give us a civil war! We will be united then! Despite our total lack of organization, it was caused by media attack, we will do so much better under physical attack! Pay no attention to the results of South Africa! A MIRACLE WILL HAPPEN.”

    So…yes. That’s what he’s talking about.

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  87. AaronB says:

    I’ll try, a little bit.

    Pilpul comes from a culture that utilizes logic but subordinates it to self-interest. This gives one flexibility in devising and deploying arguments in what is essentially a rhetorical war.

    If logic is your supreme princpile then you are severely limited in the range and substance of your argument and are ill equipped to fight a rhetorical war.

    You will lose.

    A culture where logic is the supreme principle is one-dimensional and unbalanced. It lacks strategic depth and sophistication.

    “Weaponized logic” means using just enough logic to compel assent from an opponent who feels himself bound by logic, but subtly shifting your argument in response to circumstances in disregard of logic in a confusing and ultimately paralyzing manner. It can also mean using your opponents sincere willingness to abide by logic to engage in an endless debate with no resolution and constantly shifting parameters in order to exhaust, confuse, distract, and create doubt and undermine conviction while your convictions are safely removed from the field of argument.

    There is much more to this, of course – and it all depends on your opponent having a naive and sincere and charmingly child like belief in the efficacy of logic.

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    A logical weapon designed by Jews in theological combat with each other refined over a thousand years and now deployed with terrible effect upon the goyim.
    , @Steve Gittelson

    Pilpul comes from a culture that utilizes logic but subordinates it to self-interest. This gives one flexibility in devising and deploying arguments in what is essentially a rhetorical war.
     
    LOL. That's why it sounds like "piffle".

    Pilpul is the jew-word for "articulate bullshit", more fancily referred to as "casuistic flimflammery". Pilpul is what a jew spools out as he determines the most effective way to separate you from your money, or in some circumstances, to get you to do a lot of work for him on the cheap, the product of which he sells at a profit.


    A culture where logic is the supreme principle is one-dimensional and unbalanced. It lacks strategic depth and sophistication.
     
    LOL. There is no such "culture". Never has been, never will be.
    , @Neil Templeton
    Logic is a tool used to process useful information in order to improve the success rate of decision. In the usual case where information is absent, censored, corrupted or manufactured out of whole cloth, logic can be worse than useless. I agree, if logic is the only arrow in your quiver, you're in trouble. And probably autistic.
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  88. Dante says:
    @AndrewR
    Good question. I've spent a lot of time pondering this myself. I'm not really imaginative enough to sketch out a detailed, plausible scenario, but I can point out some places to start thinking.

    What side will cops and the military take? I imagine that as long as their paychecks aren't bouncing, virtually all will do as told. We saw in Charlottesville how the cops all chose to enforce the most blatantly unconstitutional and illegal orders.

    Foreign powers: a real civil war in the US would obviously draw the whole world's attention and have them supporting and supplying different factions. We would even see actual invasions if the US military became dysfunctional enough.

    Fault lines: race would be a major one of course but the primary combatants on both main sides would be whites. I think there are probably millions of whites who would, if they could, happily try to kill anyone whom they deemed to be "Nazis," and, as is known by anyone who doesn't live in a cave, the left considers anyone who doesn't buy into explicitly anti-white ideology to be "Nazis." There will be a lot of "friendly fire" as opportunistic black thugs kill the idiot white leftists who worship them.

    Thank you for your reply and in the meantime lets hope more Whites wake up to what is really happening.

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  89. Dante says:
    @KenH
    Suggest you read Civil War II by Tom Chittum. Although written in 1996 much of the book is still relevant regarding America's racial situation and slide towards civil disunion. If I recall he even predicted Europe's current problems based on Muslim and African immigration patterns into the continent. At the time various Western European and Scandinavian nations were only 3-5% non-white but he predicted an increase in racial unrest and insurgency type activity as the non-white portion reached 7-10%. His predictions are playing out all over Europe.

    Europe always arrogantly thought they were above the racial discord and violence afflicting America but now it's their turn and the chickens are coming home to roost.

    OK thanks I will look that book up on Amazon, Yes there certainly are signs of massive unrest in the nations with larger non European populations..France England Sweden etc. Thanks again

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    If you don't mind reading off a computer screen you can probably find a PDF copy by doing a search on google or another search engine like duckduckgo.
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  90. Dante says:
    @Miro23

    I read and agreed with your comment and just wanted to get your opinion of how might a civil war play out in your opinion ? It’s gets mentioned a lot but I can’t find anyone saying how it might come about. Mark Yuray thinks it’s unlikely but I think it will happen just not sure what it might look like. Cheers
     
    There are quite a few examples:

    ALGERIA - The French incorporating Algeria into the French Republic. They installed a French administrative elite and encouraged ethnic French settlement. Algerians became 2nd class citizens in their own country with a secret resistance movement eventually sliding into a civil war and the violent expulsion of the French.

    INDIA - The British developing commercial settlements, eventually morphing into alliances with Indian leaders and imposed an Imperial administration run by ethnic British from London. Indians became 2nd class citizens in their own country with secret nationalist societies gaining influence (eventually mass passive resistance and the expulsion of the British with Indian Independence).

    SPAIN - A Republican leftist government increasing intimidated by their hard left Bolshevik inspired allies. They look the other way while leftist militias burn hundreds of churches and religious buildings, their media cheer and take down any traditionalist opposition. The spark for the rightist reaction was the 1936 murder of traditionalist leader Calvo-Sotelo by a leftist militia, resulting in a partial army revolt and Civil War (Republicans and their Bolshevik allies eventually crushed with the imposition of Franco's dictatorship).

    ROMANIA - A classic Deep State left dictatorship with informers, secret police, a propagandist press and a protected elite headed by Nikolai Ceausescu. Various religious and other demonstrations coalesced around the town of Timisoara and were violently put down by security forces and the military. The public rejected Ceausescu and he was unprecedentedly heckled and booed in a staged rally in Bucharest. His secret police (Securitate) was overwhelmed in street fighting and the army turning against him. In one month (December 1989) he went from absolute dictator to a public trial and execution).

    Thanks for your reply, Brilliant examples of how seemingly all powerful regimes went under quickly due to people power or people waking up to the real agenda of their treacherous elites. Thanks

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  91. Anonymous[164] • Disclaimer says:
    @AaronB
    I'll try, a little bit.

    Pilpul comes from a culture that utilizes logic but subordinates it to self-interest. This gives one flexibility in devising and deploying arguments in what is essentially a rhetorical war.

    If logic is your supreme princpile then you are severely limited in the range and substance of your argument and are ill equipped to fight a rhetorical war.

    You will lose.

    A culture where logic is the supreme principle is one-dimensional and unbalanced. It lacks strategic depth and sophistication.

    "Weaponized logic" means using just enough logic to compel assent from an opponent who feels himself bound by logic, but subtly shifting your argument in response to circumstances in disregard of logic in a confusing and ultimately paralyzing manner. It can also mean using your opponents sincere willingness to abide by logic to engage in an endless debate with no resolution and constantly shifting parameters in order to exhaust, confuse, distract, and create doubt and undermine conviction while your convictions are safely removed from the field of argument.

    There is much more to this, of course - and it all depends on your opponent having a naive and sincere and charmingly child like belief in the efficacy of logic.

    A logical weapon designed by Jews in theological combat with each other refined over a thousand years and now deployed with terrible effect upon the goyim.

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    Yes, and there is an exceedingly simple defense against it - stop taking logic so seriously! Use it as a tool only in some contexts - like mastering technology. Develop a core set of assumptions that define your identity and that you do not subject to logical analysis - ever - because you never used logic to develop them in thr first plsce: in other words, an inherited tradition. You will be impervious.

    Logic is a corrosive acid that must be applied selectively and judiciously - like every non white group does and that whites are too stupid to do.

    Now I am off to Steve Siler to read how genetic determinism entirely determines who I am and effort cannot substantially alter my life results and I must submit to the inevitable rule of Jews and Asians, all delivered with stylish wit and a wonderfully ironic smile.
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  92. From what I can see the alt-right is alive and thriving. Of course it’s doing it in Israel.

    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/justice-minister-israel-s-jewish-majority-trumps-than-human-rights-1.5811106

    According to the Israeli Justice Minister “the state should say that there is a place to maintain the Jewish majority even if it violates rights.”

    Try to imagine the Attorney General of the United State saying that “there is a place to maintain the white Christian majority even if it violates rights”.

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  93. @AaronB
    I'll try, a little bit.

    Pilpul comes from a culture that utilizes logic but subordinates it to self-interest. This gives one flexibility in devising and deploying arguments in what is essentially a rhetorical war.

    If logic is your supreme princpile then you are severely limited in the range and substance of your argument and are ill equipped to fight a rhetorical war.

    You will lose.

    A culture where logic is the supreme principle is one-dimensional and unbalanced. It lacks strategic depth and sophistication.

    "Weaponized logic" means using just enough logic to compel assent from an opponent who feels himself bound by logic, but subtly shifting your argument in response to circumstances in disregard of logic in a confusing and ultimately paralyzing manner. It can also mean using your opponents sincere willingness to abide by logic to engage in an endless debate with no resolution and constantly shifting parameters in order to exhaust, confuse, distract, and create doubt and undermine conviction while your convictions are safely removed from the field of argument.

    There is much more to this, of course - and it all depends on your opponent having a naive and sincere and charmingly child like belief in the efficacy of logic.

    Pilpul comes from a culture that utilizes logic but subordinates it to self-interest. This gives one flexibility in devising and deploying arguments in what is essentially a rhetorical war.

    LOL. That’s why it sounds like “piffle”.

    Pilpul is the jew-word for “articulate bullshit”, more fancily referred to as “casuistic flimflammery”. Pilpul is what a jew spools out as he determines the most effective way to separate you from your money, or in some circumstances, to get you to do a lot of work for him on the cheap, the product of which he sells at a profit.

    A culture where logic is the supreme principle is one-dimensional and unbalanced. It lacks strategic depth and sophistication.

    LOL. There is no such “culture”. Never has been, never will be.

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  94. AaronB says:
    @Anonymous
    What would a better approach look like? What features would it have? Can you offer examples?

    It’s somewhat self-defeating to try and consciously devise a better approach when our current predicament is the result of an over-reliance on conscious approaches in general.

    However, a few points can be briefly sketched perhaps through the use of examples.

    Let’s take Japan again as a useful case example. The Japanese believe in this nebulous concept called “spirit” – basically they believe that effort and determination can overcome all obstacles. Obviously they take it too far but at the same time this belief motivates the entire nation to make a maximum effort in everything they do, no matter how trivial. The Japanese economic “miracle” is nothing less than this.

    Now contrast this with the fatalism and despair-inducing belief in genetic determinism that afflicts us. Steve Sailor with an ironic and sardonic smile will tell that your position in the world is an ineffable emanation of your genetic potential there is little you can do to affect.

    Meanwhile Asians and Jews with their irrational belief in non genetic factors like “spirit” are laughing at you and eating your lunch as they just work harder than you despite having fewer high IQ people than you in America – but you have Steve Sailers and John Derbyshire sardonic smile to comfort you as you slide comfortably into oblivion.

    Take the concept of nation or prople. It’s irrational and nebulous and cannot be seen or defined clearly or detected by scientific instruments – naturally therefore white hyper-rationality destroys belief in it and make everyone into selfish individualists. Everyone else, meanwhile, laughs at us as they act collectively to promote group interests on the basis of belief in this utterly non rational entity.

    Clearly, like dark matter and gravity, certain things cannot be seen or detected but belief in them is absolutely necessary if humans are to successfully navigate their way through the world and if the equation so are going to add up. Somehow, whites can only see this when it applies to physics, not human life.

    Because hyper rationality has literally
    made whites stupid – depressed their cognitive function to the point where they can’t think clearly.

    The basic difference in approach is – develop an appreciation for non rational factors, burst free of the prison house of logic and learn to use it as a tool again only, start believing in things you can’t prove through logic or detect through scientific instruments but seem indicated by life and circumstances, relearn to be comfortable with fuzzy and vague concepts and ideas that nevertheless have tremendous impact and stop insisting on the stupid Descartian “simple, clear” ideas as the only ones worth focusing on. Finally, reconstitute an inherited tradition based on appreciation for the non rational

    Simple, no?

    This is why the situation is hopeless – only collapse and humiliation will lead to the massive shift in course needed, and to the current system being discredited.

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    If this is an example of what you call “weaponized logic” you just fell flat on your face.

    Let’s take Japan again as a useful case example. The Japanese believe in this nebulous concept called “spirit” – basically they believe that effort and determination can overcome all obstacles. Obviously they take it too far but at the same time this belief motivates the entire nation to make a maximum effort in everything they do, no matter how trivial. The Japanese economic “miracle” is nothing less than this.
     
    The Japanese miracle exists because white men allowed them to manufacturer products, almost all invented by white men, for white consumerism. This is true for all Asian Tigers.

    Now contrast this with the fatalism and despair-inducing belief in genetic determinism that afflicts us. Steve Sailor with an ironic and sardonic smile will tell that your position in the world is an ineffable emanation of your genetic potential there is little you can do to affect.
     
    Pure bullshit. There is no despair. Again, whites are optimistic innovators; Asians, copiers.

    Take the concept of nation or prople. It’s irrational and nebulous and cannot be seen or defined clearly or detected by scientific instruments – naturally therefore white hyper-rationality destroys belief in it and make everyone into selfish individualists. Everyone else, meanwhile, laughs at us as they act collectively to promote group interests on the basis of belief in this utterly non rational entity.
     
    Pure nonsense. It is the unselfish global collectivists who are causing this because of an irrational belief in the new religion of Antiracism. It’s us individualistic, selfish white nationalists who are fighting to keep our culture intact.

    Your entire argument is irrational. Logic demonstrates that all white cultures are preferable to non-white cultures. It can be measured qualitatively, we have the higher standards of living. It can be measured quantitatively, people are voting with their feet. So many of the people in the world would prefer to live in white cultures than their own that I believe it’s the vast majority.

    It is the irrational belief in Antiracism that is preventing us from doing anything about it. Every time one of us tries to prevent the destruction of Western Civilization, we are quickly shouted down as racists.

    However, you are correct in one point. Only an economic collapse will break this mass insanity.

    , @AaronB
    To expand on this, logic is right now acting as a filter and screen on your brain, preventing you from seeing all sorts of things that you would naturally see, literally making white people stupid and depressing tyour cognitive functions as well as depressing you emotionally.

    Probably the only you need to "do"is remove this logical filter - you will begin to "notice" all sorts if things you can't now.

    In other words, you can't consciously craft an approach in a positive manner using principles and the like - that's the problem.

    As hard as it may seem, you actually have to stop doing something rather than start doing something. You have to remove a cognitive filter rather than add any idea or principle.

    It's a negative process - the problem is that our culture always encourages positive action, adding principles and ideas rather than subtracting them.

    Healthy, adaptive living is a genuine interaction with reality - the logical filter has hidden too much of reality from view, severing this connection.

    So instead of once more trying to "do" something positive and adding an idea that you then apply - merely remove the logical filter which is depressing you cognitively.

    What will emerge after that will be based on an interaction with reality and a newfound ability to "see" - the precise form it will take cannot be predicted.

    Such loss of control is also frightening to Westerners, who as FKAmax has shown, seem prone to anxiety - which is why they developed such an iron system of control through science and logic.
    , @wayfarer
    A failed attempt at gun suicide as a teenager, was the result of an unseen yet consciously perceived “divine intervention.”

    The advice, “Don't kill yourself, you're going to die someday anyway. Go through life from this point forward, and live out your dreams!

    Our heart is the compass of our dreams, providing us with a guidance system. Being sensitive to feelings, emotions, subtle thoughts and so on, it points us in life's optimal directions.

    It seems too much mathematical work and logical reasoning with the mind, will impede one's artistic nature, whether that be an unchecked sense of humor, creative writing, etc. At least that's been my experience.

    In my belief system, an unseen spirit world actively engages us. I conduct observations and experiments, as to the syncing of daily events. Their significance is too personal and mundane for others to appreciate.

    A cardinal north of our heart's compass points in the direction of life's joy, which can be found by following our dreams.

    Thanks for your helpful narratives, AaronB.
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  95. Okechukwu says:

    Turns out that promoting ethnic cleansing doesn’t make for very good optics.

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  96. AaronB says:
    @James Forrestal
    This is a perceptive analysis in some ways, but it's rather interesting to not that you have such difficulty in distinguishing between the concepts of "stupidity" and "honesty," and seem to have such disdain for anyone with any concept of honesty (or honor) as a "freier." Are you Jewish, by any chance?

    The White approach is works very well-- in White countries. High-trust societies can be undermined by more ethnocentric, less honest groups (especially the most hyper-ethnocentric group of all). This is, of course, why Jews are so desperate to associate themselves with White societies, and to force those societies to open their borders. Of course, in the long run, this is self-defeating, as it destroys the host society, and "intelligent" (dishonest) groups like the Tribe have great difficulty in constructing high-trust societies of their own...

    Rationality in and of itself is not the problem. It's that the same low ethnocentricity, honesty, and sense of fairness/ justice that allows us to build high trust societies, also makes us vulnerable to hyperethnocentric parasites skilled at crypsis and pilpul.

    And instead of mocking crypsis why not realize that it is an effective tool used by all cultures that possess the mechanisms to make it viable – an inherited tradition and unspoken shared assumptions.

    That’s the problem with whites – doubling down and defending maladaptive elements of your own culture rather than being humble enough to learn from other cultures. Just with those “insect like Asian grinds” – instead of relearning the virtues of hard work like your forebears you double down.

    You haven’t experienced enough humiliation yet to learn humility – but you will. You’re still defending your maladaptive practices rather than undergoing the painful process of self criticism – but enough pain, and you will. This is the exact same trajectory China followed and is inevitable for all successful civilizations that have grown complacent when faced with new challenges.

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  97. @Grumbler
    I am inclined to believe, as other posters here have argued, that the UTR episode in Charlottesville was a "synthetic event".

    Briefly, I think Whites are starting to wake up more and more and TPTB are aware of this development. Because they cannot argue against Truth TPTB must resort to trickery to stomp out Whites' opening their eyes. The best way to do this is to paint all Whites who reject the false religion of the Cult of Diversity as "Nazis", a connotation that no one can defend. Therefore an event was staged.

    Instead of Unite The Right we should be trying to Unite The White.

    To do this we need to be subtle not ham fisted. The "It is Ok to be White" leaflets are far more effective than street brawling and Nazi salutes and behavior.

    If I had the skill and the money I would set up a White Anti-Defamation League website and report on the relentless acts of Anti-Whiteism. Things like this should be our tools, not violence. For now anyways.

    To do this we need to be subtle not ham fisted. The “It is Ok to be White” leaflets are far more effective than street brawling and Nazi salutes and behavior.

    Could not agree more! It seem that all of our best memes come from the 4chan types. Richard Spencer, on the other hand …

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  98. Okechukwu says:

    The alt-right is just re-branded white supremacy. It was bound to fail simply by virtue of its own absurdities. White supremacist movements tend to attract the lowest of the low, the dumbest of the dumb. So you have this phenomenon where people who clearly aren’t very bright are running around claiming to be superior.

    I’ve remarked to a couple of these people that they should buy an island somewhere and establish their white ethnostate there. They can even call it Rhodesia. LOL. That’s the only solution that makes sense. Clearly, they’re never going to remake the United States in the image of Nazi Germany. Any such attempt will be crushed ruthlessly. Should they gain even a minor beachhead, they won’t have to worry about Antifa college kids. It’ll be the full power of the US government that will take them out.

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    Yes, its really tragic that society is so fractured that getting rid of people like you, which everyone could agree upon, can't be done.
    , @Steve Gittelson

    The alt-right is just re-branded white supremacy. It was bound to fail simply by virtue of its own absurdities. White supremacist movements tend to attract the lowest of the low, the dumbest of the dumb. So you have this phenomenon where people who clearly aren’t very bright are running around claiming to be superior.
     
    I am inclined to a different interpretation. The fragmented elements of "white supremacy" have enthusiastically accepted a move to under the mantle of "alt-right", and have been incorporated, rather reluctantly by pure alt-rightists, into the alt-right movement to gain proponents and momentum.

    The alt-right, per se, as originally envisioned, disavowed white "supremacy" in preference for various intensities of sentiment, from "white separatism" all the way up to "right wing as principled conservatism.

    You have MSM-induced blinders on. Take them off. Stop believing the crap you're shown on TV, Gooble, MSN, CNN and the rest. They are owned and operated by people who want to strip America and Americans of everything we ever had, or will have. Greed is paramount; greed and the pursuit of wealth and power are sanctified.

    They need hanging, real bad.
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  99. AaronB says:
    @Anonymous
    A logical weapon designed by Jews in theological combat with each other refined over a thousand years and now deployed with terrible effect upon the goyim.

    Yes, and there is an exceedingly simple defense against it – stop taking logic so seriously! Use it as a tool only in some contexts – like mastering technology. Develop a core set of assumptions that define your identity and that you do not subject to logical analysis – ever – because you never used logic to develop them in thr first plsce: in other words, an inherited tradition. You will be impervious.

    Logic is a corrosive acid that must be applied selectively and judiciously – like every non white group does and that whites are too stupid to do.

    Now I am off to Steve Siler to read how genetic determinism entirely determines who I am and effort cannot substantially alter my life results and I must submit to the inevitable rule of Jews and Asians, all delivered with stylish wit and a wonderfully ironic smile.

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    Yes, and there is an exceedingly simple defense against it – stop taking logic so seriously! Use it as a tool only in some contexts – like mastering technology.
     
    More babble. Logic provides a ready, reliable means for reaching optimal decisions. Use it wherever you like.
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  100. Anonymous[204] • Disclaimer says:
    @Okechukwu
    The alt-right is just re-branded white supremacy. It was bound to fail simply by virtue of its own absurdities. White supremacist movements tend to attract the lowest of the low, the dumbest of the dumb. So you have this phenomenon where people who clearly aren't very bright are running around claiming to be superior.

    I've remarked to a couple of these people that they should buy an island somewhere and establish their white ethnostate there. They can even call it Rhodesia. LOL. That's the only solution that makes sense. Clearly, they're never going to remake the United States in the image of Nazi Germany. Any such attempt will be crushed ruthlessly. Should they gain even a minor beachhead, they won't have to worry about Antifa college kids. It'll be the full power of the US government that will take them out.

    Yes, its really tragic that society is so fractured that getting rid of people like you, which everyone could agree upon, can’t be done.

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  101. Okechukwu says:
    @Anon
    There is a lot of blame to go around on the Alt Right, but yes, the main reason is that the POWER colludes against it.

    Let's wind back to Charlottesville. Alt Right and allies(some of them loathsome to be sure) did everything by the book. They had the Constitution and Federal judge on their side.

    Their plan was to rally and give speeches. Unlike antifa scum, they showed respect to authorities and offered to cooperate.

    Now, suppose the rally and speech had been allowed. It woulda happened, it would have made some news, and everyone would have gone home. Some would have liked the ideas, some would hated them. Alt Right would have gained fans, lost fans, etc.

    But what happened? The system violated the Constitutional Rights of Unite the Right rally. The Jewish mayor and black sheriff told the cops to just let antifa scum hang around and make trouble. Then, the police shut down the event when Alt Right did NOTHING wrong. Then, the police willfully pushed the Alt Right into the street to face the Antifa and BLM. And the police did NOTHING to prevent the ensuing melee, mostly antifa and BLM against Unite the Right.

    In a state of panic, some guy named Fields floored the accelerator and ran into a car that hit people, and a woman died of shock.

    So, how did the Jewish-run media spin this? Alt Right killed three people. Two in copter accident and some woman by 'terrorist' attack.
    There was no coverage of the Jewish weasel mayor and the lowlife black sheriff. There was no mention of violation of Constitutional rights. There was no mention of how cops pushed Alt Right into Antifa to do battle. There was no mention that most of the violence by the Right was in self-defense. There was no mention of how the Unite the Right rally was in defense of monuments being torn down, even of the venerable Robert E. Lee.
    And even the scum GOP was hailing Antifa as akin to US soldiers in WWII battling Nazis.
    Charlottesville wasn't like the 68 Democratic Convention melee where the police counter-rioted because of anti-war protesters provocations. The Alt Right didn't provoke cops. It didn't even call for a rumble with Antifa. The riot was instigated by the police at the behest of the Jewish mayor and black police chief. The Power has allowed Antifa scum to run riot. Even though the Power claims to defend rule of law, it will use para-thug force like Antifa who don't fear consequences since tons of Jewish money will work to bail them out and represent them in court.

    The Jewish-run media, that is silent about the killing and oppression of Palestinians, said "there is only one side". But this is the rotten media that have allowed Bush's illegal war in Iraq, Obama's illegal wars in Libya, Ukraine, and Syria. It's the media that works with Deep State to alienate and vilify Russia. Why? Jews own the media and hate Russia for not allowing total Jewish monopoly takeover of Russia. This is a lying weasel media.

    But, the Power decided to shut down sites. Not just Daily Stormer which admittedly is deranged. But even Liddell and Nowicki's Alternative Right blog even though they weren't even at the rally.
    Counter-Currents had nothing to do with the rally, but they had to get new blog host. Radix was shut down.

    Now, imagine this. AIPAC holds rallies that call for US support of Zionist imperialism against Palestinians. And possible war against Iran, a nation that never did us wrong. And Zionists support the horror in Syria. Israel has been working with Saudis to mess up Syria most royally. These Zionists even get Neo-Nazi types in Ukraine to pull off a coup.
    But AIPAC rallies attract Congressmen and big names. They have the backing of media power and financial power.

    But Alt Right cannot even put up blogs. And then, Jewish-run Paypal deny service to almost all Alt Right guys. Even Jared Taylor is targeted even though he had NOTHING to do with the Charlottesville rally. Paypal allows service to all the Deep State goons who mess up the world. It allows service to Zionist supremacists who kill Palestinian women and children. Paypal allows service to rapper thugs who sing about gangsterism and thuggery that promotes bloodbath. Paypal allows service to Nation of Islam because Jews are afraid of angry blacks and want to maintain alliance with blacks against whites.

    But when it comes to Alt Right people and white national liberationists? They must be shut down... along with BDS of course... which is under the threat of being criminalized all across the US.

    And then the Twitter purge. And the Youtube purge... even against BDS voices and Ryan Dawson who isn't Alt Right.
    We see a pattern here. Jewish power will shut down anyone whom it deems threatening to the Narrative.
    Recently, RT was banned from broadcasting in DC. So much for free flow of ideas. What hubris. Only the Monopoly Media is True News and all counter voices are 'fake news'.

    Also, there are all these frivolous lawsuits against people who attended Charlottesville.
    If anything, the Alt Right should sue the city for violation of Constitutional Rights, but guess what....
    Law firms will not represent the Alt Right. Law firms will represent scum like Jonathan Pollard and that low-life rabbi merchant pardoned recently by Donald Trump. They will represent corrupt politicians, greedy corporations, Zionist supremacists, deep state torturers and terrorists, but they will not offer service to Alt Right. THIS is the legal system in the US.
    Even if some law firms want to represent the Alt Right, they are afraid because Jewish nexus of media, finance, and other law firms will do everything to destroy the law firm that dares to represent controversial figures.

    That said, the Alt Right really jumped the gun. Ramzpaul is right. Spencer should never have rubbed shoulders with the likes of Anglin, even if only in conversation. Anglin maybe has value as clown show, and that's about it. If Alt Right is to be a serious movement, it can't be associated with people whose main thing is to act the clown and do a skinhead version of Howard Stern. Also, the idea of uniting the right is good but why associate the right with scum like KKK and Neo-Nazis? Why not send a clear message that Alt Right is NOT with that garbage? But Spencer and co. didn't, and they deserve blame for associating Alt Right with garbage right. Purely from a strategic viewpoint, what was Spencer and co. thinking? The media are owned by Jews. If even just a few arrive with Nazi flags or KKK costume, the media will focus only on that. Alt Right itself should have gone antifa on Nazis and skinheads.

    It seems the alternative right keep failing with both Nazis and Zionists. Matt Heimbach could have done good work with the working class. But the fatass malt-right clown has zero imagination and just larped as fat nazi and encouraged his moron goons to give hitler salutes. There goes Trad Worker that is now Trash Worker. Nazi stuff simply can't be salvaged. The most one can do is say there was some good things about Nazism. But overall, it's too toxic. It's like one can laud certain aspects of Stalinism but it's toxic too. Even leftists don't want to wave Stalin's banner.
    But all these gimps and goons who feel small are attracted to Nazi stuff as some magical talisman.

    But Jared Taylor is also deluded. Taylor has a zero tolerance policy for anyone who is against Jewish power and Israel. American Renaissance deletes any view critical of Jewish power, and he won't invite any guests who discuss the Jewish Question. So, how has this served him? Under guidance of ADL, Twitter banned Taylor. Jewish-run Paypal denies him service.
    As long as Taylor's message is white identity, Jews will hate him no matter how much he praises Jews or expresses admiration for Israel. Why? Because Jewish supremacism depends on White Submissivism, which Taylor rejects.
    It's good for Taylor to reject obvious neo-nazi elements, but he's deluded if he thinks Jewish power will go easy on him because he won't allow 'antisemitic' talk in his forum. Indeed, because he's an intelligent and relatively classy person on the Right, Jewish power sees him as especially dangerous.

    One thing for sure, the Alt Right hasn't yet produced The One. A truly worthy leader. Spencer, a spoiled pretty boy, is too much a vain narcissist to lead the movement. He failed to realize that the Alt Right became a thing only with the media spotlight in the Age of Trump. Until then, he had failed to develop a movement from ground up. Rather, he saw a spotlight on him, and he enjoyed the attention. And he thought the spotlight would be on him forever because he's got the charm. But when your movement depends on attention from above, it will become zero when the spotlight is shut off. For a movement to have real power, it has to generate fire on its own and the fire must spread. That way, even if the Power offers no spotlight on the movement, it has caught fire and it illuminates the world from ground up. That is a real movement.
    But Spencer fell into the Buckley Trap. William F. Buckley loved the limelight and his conservatism became a cult of celebrity. Spencer, because of his pretty boy looks and charming smile, had been the go-to guy for the media when it came to Alt Right. As long as the spotlight was on him, he loved the attention and wanted more. But you can't have a movement based on attention from above because what the Big Media giveth, it can taketh away. A real movement is when you got support from below even when those above you try to shut you down.
    Now, this isn't to say Spencer hasn't convictions. He certainly has. If he really just wanted to coast on celebrity, he could have tailored the Alt Right to be more like Alt Light and not discuss controversial issues. But he stuck to his worldview and his guns. But then, precisely because he chose to stick to hardcore ideas, he should have known that the Power would eventually shut off the spotlight on him. And then what? The only real movement is one where you have backing from the people.
    It's like Chinese communists failed miserably in trying to take over a city. They got slaughtered by KMT, and the movement had to begin again among the peasantry that made up the bulk of Chinese people.
    Alt Right should have identified its potential demographic base and gained a foothold there. But there is too much of fratboy mentality among Spencer and co. Too much drinking and partying. To much media addiction. Too much mugging for the camera.
    Building a base requires real work. Spencer and co. would have to roll up the sleeves and connect with people... like David Treadup as missionary in THE CALL or like George Bailey with the greaser folks in IT'S A WONDERFUL LIFE. But Spencer and co. don't have a humanist bone in their body. Like their proggy counterparts, they are into idolatry even if they worship different idols. Progs worship Black Panther, and Spencer and co. are into Batman(LOL) and the Faustian something-or-other that's gonna take us to Mars and all that Michio-Cuckoo nuttery. It's all about idols and celebrity and egomania. It goes against humanism, which is what everyone needs in this degenerate age. Blacks would do much better if they stopped worshiping trashy celebs and appreciated womenfolk in the past like mama in RAISIN IN THE SUN and IMITATION OF LIFE. And whites would do better to develop a feeling for the kind of folks in GRAPES OF WRATH and IT'S A WONDERFUL LIFE. But the rise of LA DOLCE VITA mania corrupted everyone. Even poor 'white trash' Americans who need to straighten out their lives have, as culture, trashy celebrities who shake their booties like skankass sluts. But we live in a nation where churches bow down before the homo ass instead of having homos trying to atone for their sins before God.

    In the long run, the best chance any movement has is to become a religion or a cult. In other words, Alt Right must become an Alt Rite. Take Islam. Why has it lasted for so long? Unlike Alexander and Genghis, Muhammad founded a religion. And even though Mormonism is a silly kind of culture, why has it lasted and why is it still going strong? It is a religion, a faith, a conviction, a kind of new covenant. Myth, like art, is forever. What the white race needs to do is find its own covenant with the Ultimate Power. But goyim are not good with prophetics. There is more prophetic power in a single pinky of Darren Aronofsky than in the entire Alt Right.

    Also, the idea of uniting the right is good but why associate the right with scum like KKK and Neo-Nazis? Why not send a clear message that Alt Right is NOT with that garbage?

    Then they’d have virtually no members or supporters. The alt-right is a white supremacist movement like the KKK and Neo-Nazis. Shorn of those ideologies, there’s nothing left. It’s simply not possible for them to disassociate themselves from themselves.

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    No, the "Alt Right" was pretty lively before then. It proved incapable of purging a toxic membership who, of course, claimed that it was all about White Nationalism and ultimately is the schisming mess that it is now. But it didn't have to be that way, and there was plenty of "glue" at one point based on a common frustration with morons like you.
    , @Anon
    Then they’d have virtually no members or supporters. The alt-right is a white supremacist movement like the KKK and Neo-Nazis. Shorn of those ideologies, there’s nothing left.


    LOL. No, Alt Right made some gains precisely because it offered an alternative to both GOP Inc(servile to Neocons and corporations) and the Neo-Nazi skinhead type(usually pushed by media as face of the 'far right').

    Alt Right struck out because it named Jewish supremacism as the governing principle of the West. It called for White liberation from this globalist grip on the white race. This is why Spencer and Enoch protested the bombing of Syria. No more white guys fighting wars for Israel. It said NO to White Submissivism.

    If anything, Alt Right would have made much bigger gains by sending a message that it has NO ties to the KKK neo-nazi elements always hyped by MSM.

    You realize MSM now calls even moderate nationalist the 'far right'. It used to be one had to be a skinhead or neo-nazi to be 'far right'. Today, ANY European who wants to preserve his nation for his own folks is 'far right'.

    Given the rise of white identity all across EU and US, Alt Right really had a chance.

    Now, with guys like Enoch who thrive on irreverence, the 'larpy' Nazi-tropes is just part of the game.

    But if Spencer wants to lead a serious movement, he needs to form a wall that clearly says what is or isn't the Alt Right. 'The world is built on a wall'.

    You seem to have an African name. Are you in the West? If so, why are you a White Preferist? Why did you leave your own nation and your people/culture to live in white-made and white-run nations? Do you believe whites do everything better? Why you 'racist'!

    OTOH, if you are in Africa, good for you.

    , @Pericles

    The alt-right is a white supremacist movement like the KKK and Neo-Nazis. Shorn of those ideologies, there’s nothing left.

     

    What remains is you have to go back and never ever return.
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  102. Yet another article in which someone on the right complains that life isn’t fair. “Duh”!
    Here are a few practical ideas for turning things around.
    1. Right wing groups should employ polygraphs to out the underminers within. The tests needn’t be intrusive. They can be limited to, e.g., “do you sincerely espouse the position X” or “did you join this group in order to surveille it or subvert it?”
    2. Use the law as best you can. When you are in the right, you don’t need the best lawyer in town. The civil rights movement used to sue and prosecute segregationists for “conspiracy to deprive of civil liberties.” That would seem to describe the Charlottesville police plan to let violence occur so they would have an excuse to declare a state of emergency, allowing them to abort the planned rally.
    3. Special attention should be devoted to creating internet access and working for common carrier treatment of existing providers. The former strategy is more important. Use the internet for heavy trolling and taboo-breaking where risks are acceptable. The only way to gain acceptance is to unseat taboos and the only way to unseat them is massively to break them.
    4. Understand the structure of the left. The GOP is controlled covertly by socially liberal “big donors” who subvert promises of conservative legislation made to red-state voters. Meanwhile the Dems would lose every election without an 80 – 90% ethnic minority vote. Minorities vote for Dems not because they sincerely favor gay rights or abortion or immigration or gun control or even hate speech laws, but because they want a government that cares about them and will protect them with social services and sinecures. Favoring a strong safety net is not the essence of today’s left and is not what today’s right most fervently opposes. Once Dems get in office they carry out the social agenda of the white liberal elite, who pay the bills. The natural counter is the “populist” idea of combining strong support for safety net programs that protect the working class with conservative or paleo-libertarian positions on social issues. Socially conservative, economically moderate, wins the day. This combination is almost never seen, for a reason.
    5. Use Antifa’s eagerness to do battle against them by entrapping them into verifiable illegal acts that can, with sufficient effort, be brought to prosecution.
    6. Stop publishing articles that complain about hypocrisy without proposing any strategy or tactics to triumph over it. Hypocrisy is normal. The task is not to refute or persuade the left but to defeat them.

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    Yet another article in which someone on the right complains that life isn’t fair. “Duh”!
    Here are a few practical ideas for turning things around.

     

    Half of these points seem to ignore what has happened, so take this advice at your peril, readers, while the other half lack practicality -- but thanks anyway. Briskly presented.
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  103. @Anonymous
    If you are not sold on his methods, are you sold on his goal--an "Whites-only" nation state?

    I’m closer to being a civic-nationalist (à la Steve Sailer) than a white-nationalist like Spencer. The only way to achieve a whites-only America at this point in time would be to secede and create a new, little America somehow.

    But this country was founded by, settled by and largely built by whites, and ours is a white, occidental and Christian culture in origin. That is our Leitkultur, as the Germans would say–our dominant culture. There’s no need for us to deny or apologize for any of that. It would still be possible to extend equal rights before the law to the other races without enforcing a cult of white self-hatred.

    That’d be my goal.

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  104. @Okechukwu
    The alt-right is just re-branded white supremacy. It was bound to fail simply by virtue of its own absurdities. White supremacist movements tend to attract the lowest of the low, the dumbest of the dumb. So you have this phenomenon where people who clearly aren't very bright are running around claiming to be superior.

    I've remarked to a couple of these people that they should buy an island somewhere and establish their white ethnostate there. They can even call it Rhodesia. LOL. That's the only solution that makes sense. Clearly, they're never going to remake the United States in the image of Nazi Germany. Any such attempt will be crushed ruthlessly. Should they gain even a minor beachhead, they won't have to worry about Antifa college kids. It'll be the full power of the US government that will take them out.

    The alt-right is just re-branded white supremacy. It was bound to fail simply by virtue of its own absurdities. White supremacist movements tend to attract the lowest of the low, the dumbest of the dumb. So you have this phenomenon where people who clearly aren’t very bright are running around claiming to be superior.

    I am inclined to a different interpretation. The fragmented elements of “white supremacy” have enthusiastically accepted a move to under the mantle of “alt-right”, and have been incorporated, rather reluctantly by pure alt-rightists, into the alt-right movement to gain proponents and momentum.

    The alt-right, per se, as originally envisioned, disavowed white “supremacy” in preference for various intensities of sentiment, from “white separatism” all the way up to “right wing as principled conservatism.

    You have MSM-induced blinders on. Take them off. Stop believing the crap you’re shown on TV, Gooble, MSN, CNN and the rest. They are owned and operated by people who want to strip America and Americans of everything we ever had, or will have. Greed is paramount; greed and the pursuit of wealth and power are sanctified.

    They need hanging, real bad.

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  105. Anonymous[164] • Disclaimer says:
    @Okechukwu

    Also, the idea of uniting the right is good but why associate the right with scum like KKK and Neo-Nazis? Why not send a clear message that Alt Right is NOT with that garbage?
     
    Then they'd have virtually no members or supporters. The alt-right is a white supremacist movement like the KKK and Neo-Nazis. Shorn of those ideologies, there's nothing left. It's simply not possible for them to disassociate themselves from themselves.

    No, the “Alt Right” was pretty lively before then. It proved incapable of purging a toxic membership who, of course, claimed that it was all about White Nationalism and ultimately is the schisming mess that it is now. But it didn’t have to be that way, and there was plenty of “glue” at one point based on a common frustration with morons like you.

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  106. @AaronB
    Yes, and there is an exceedingly simple defense against it - stop taking logic so seriously! Use it as a tool only in some contexts - like mastering technology. Develop a core set of assumptions that define your identity and that you do not subject to logical analysis - ever - because you never used logic to develop them in thr first plsce: in other words, an inherited tradition. You will be impervious.

    Logic is a corrosive acid that must be applied selectively and judiciously - like every non white group does and that whites are too stupid to do.

    Now I am off to Steve Siler to read how genetic determinism entirely determines who I am and effort cannot substantially alter my life results and I must submit to the inevitable rule of Jews and Asians, all delivered with stylish wit and a wonderfully ironic smile.

    Yes, and there is an exceedingly simple defense against it – stop taking logic so seriously! Use it as a tool only in some contexts – like mastering technology.

    More babble. Logic provides a ready, reliable means for reaching optimal decisions. Use it wherever you like.

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  107. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says: • Website
    @Okechukwu

    Also, the idea of uniting the right is good but why associate the right with scum like KKK and Neo-Nazis? Why not send a clear message that Alt Right is NOT with that garbage?
     
    Then they'd have virtually no members or supporters. The alt-right is a white supremacist movement like the KKK and Neo-Nazis. Shorn of those ideologies, there's nothing left. It's simply not possible for them to disassociate themselves from themselves.

    Then they’d have virtually no members or supporters. The alt-right is a white supremacist movement like the KKK and Neo-Nazis. Shorn of those ideologies, there’s nothing left.

    LOL. No, Alt Right made some gains precisely because it offered an alternative to both GOP Inc(servile to Neocons and corporations) and the Neo-Nazi skinhead type(usually pushed by media as face of the ‘far right’).

    Alt Right struck out because it named Jewish supremacism as the governing principle of the West. It called for White liberation from this globalist grip on the white race. This is why Spencer and Enoch protested the bombing of Syria. No more white guys fighting wars for Israel. It said NO to White Submissivism.

    If anything, Alt Right would have made much bigger gains by sending a message that it has NO ties to the KKK neo-nazi elements always hyped by MSM.

    You realize MSM now calls even moderate nationalist the ‘far right’. It used to be one had to be a skinhead or neo-nazi to be ‘far right’. Today, ANY European who wants to preserve his nation for his own folks is ‘far right’.

    Given the rise of white identity all across EU and US, Alt Right really had a chance.

    Now, with guys like Enoch who thrive on irreverence, the ‘larpy’ Nazi-tropes is just part of the game.

    But if Spencer wants to lead a serious movement, he needs to form a wall that clearly says what is or isn’t the Alt Right. ‘The world is built on a wall’.

    You seem to have an African name. Are you in the West? If so, why are you a White Preferist? Why did you leave your own nation and your people/culture to live in white-made and white-run nations? Do you believe whites do everything better? Why you ‘racist’!

    OTOH, if you are in Africa, good for you.

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    You seem to have an African name. Are you in the West? If so, why are you a White Preferist? Why did you leave your own nation and your people/culture to live in white-made and white-run nations? Do you believe whites do everything better? Why you ‘racist’!
     
    And now you will see your attempt at logic fail.

    He will explain how you destroy everything. How you used slavery. How you need them because you're hopeless people. You are attempting an effort a logic, which is completely futile and he will now be able to crow in the end how inferior you actually are.

    Then he will paste it to his black and liberal group so they will laugh at you and how realistically powerless you are.

    AaronB's point is shown.
    , @Okechukwu

    LOL. No, Alt Right made some gains precisely because it offered an alternative to both GOP Inc(servile to Neocons and corporations) and the Neo-Nazi skinhead type(usually pushed by media as face of the ‘far right’).
     
    They didn't actually make any gains. They had a committed core of Internet trolls, who through their trolling, conveyed a false sense of their numbers and influence. The Internet tends to distort reality and probably convinced alt-right honchos of a momentum they never had. But when they laid down their keyboards and tried to engage in physical space, we all saw what happened. Often times they were outnumbered 5,000 to 1.

    The alt-right, from its inception, was a Neo-Nazi movement. It wasn't a hard right movement. It wasn't a re-imagining of conservative thought. It was racialism and white supremacism pure and simple. When you start off talking about ethnostates and ethnic cleansing, that can't be characterized as any ideology right or left. It's simply fascism with insurrectionist, totalitarian aspirations.

    This is why Spencer and Enoch protested the bombing of Syria. No more white guys fighting wars for Israel. It said NO to White Submissivism.
     
    I think their masters in Moscow had alot to do with that. Notice they didn't object to any other US intervention, just the one Russia was vehemently against. On some levels, the alt-right is a Russian intelligence op. I mean they were chanting "Russia is our friend" in Charlottesville.

    If anything, Alt Right would have made much bigger gains by sending a message that it has NO ties to the KKK neo-nazi elements always hyped by MSM.
     
    They can't. Their membership and supporters are composed almost exclusively of those elements.

    You realize MSM now calls even moderate nationalist the ‘far right’. It used to be one had to be a skinhead or neo-nazi to be ‘far right’. Today, ANY European who wants to preserve his nation for his own folks is ‘far right’.
     
    Nope. People who advocate for sensible immigration policies are not considered far right. There are members of congress who want to reduce even legal immigration and they're not described as far right. Far rightists go beyond that sort of advocacy in ways that can only be described as extreme and hateful.

    Given the rise of white identity all across EU and US, Alt Right really had a chance.
     
    White identity is incompatible with American values. So it will never gain any currency here. In Europe, identity is informed by tribal and nationalistic affinities and not by some universal whiteness. On a certain level, the Germans hate the Dutch and vice versa, and they're both white. In the UK, there's great disquiet about the influx of Poles, and their both white. There are many other examples.

    But if Spencer wants to lead a serious movement, he needs to form a wall that clearly says what is or isn’t the Alt Right. ‘The world is built on a wall’.
     
    Both Spencer and Enoch are clownish figures who couldn't lead their way out of a paper bag. But ultimately, the problem is with ideology and not with leadership or organization or optics. The alt-right, like all white supremacist movements before them, are trying to claim white victimhood in a society overwhelmingly dominated by white people -- where white people have abundant privilege that non-whites can only dream about. It was a battle they were bound to lose simply on the basis of not having a legitimate cause.

    You seem to have an African name. Are you in the West? If so, why are you a White Preferist? Why did you leave your own nation and your people/culture to live in white-made and white-run nations? Do you believe whites do everything better? Why you ‘racist’!
     
    I'm in America, which the nation of my birth. I had no say in the matter. But why are you in America? And why are whites in Africa? We could ask ourselves these silly questions all day long.
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  108. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says: • Website
    @mark green
    National Socialism was a relatively peaceful and quite unifying force in Germany from 1933 to 1939. As practiced, it was also very successful in raising that nation's morale as well as its standard of living during that time (especially when compared to the economic misery found in the US during the 30s.)

    Before WWII, Hitler's Germany was widely admired on many fronts. Yes, its internal policies were anti-Jewish, but not lethally so. It took a the most destructive war in human history for that to happen. There were no concentration camps in National Socialist Germany before 1942.

    But if National Socialism is "morally repulsive", they why aren't you be delivering that message to the foremost National Socialist state now in existence?--the parasitic, hyper-militarized, ethnic-cleansing, supremacist state of Israel.

    Please send them the message. Please spread the word.

    National Socialism was a relatively peaceful and quite unifying force in Germany from 1933 to 1939.

    But something BIG happened after 1939.

    It’s like Maoism wasn’t so crazy prior to the Great Leap. But Great Leap happened and then Cultural Revolution.

    We have to look at the whole picture.

    But if National Socialism is “morally repulsive”, they why aren’t you be delivering that message to the foremost National Socialist state now in existence?–the parasitic, hyper-militarized, ethnic-cleansing, supremacist state of Israel.

    I don’t have a problem with the core concept of a ‘national socialism’. One can argue FDR’s New Deal was one too. One can argue the original Swedish social-democratic was also national-socialist.

    So, as a general principle, national socialism isn’t a problem. But in the German case, it turned imperialist and genocidal. So, the particular kind of National Socialism aka Nazism became repulsive. It didn’t need to be, but Hitler was Fuhrer and he chose madness.

    As for Israel, again, the problem isn’t national socialism per se. If Israelis want to maintain their own ethno-state, I don’t think anyone would care anymore. Israel is a done deal. But the Occupation of West Bank is clearly imperialist and on the verge of ethnic cleansing. If Jews annex West Bank and if Palestinians rise up, what then? Another Nakba?

    A national socialism becomes morally repulsive once it goes into imperialist mode. And in this, Israel is following in the model of German National Socialism. And American Jews who created horrible conditions in Libya and Syria are making things worse.

    If this continues, people are going to call Zionists Judeo-Nazis.

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    "But in the German case, it turned imperialist and genocidal."

    No it didn't and you have no proof that it did. Simple as that.

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  109. Anonymous[164] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    Then they’d have virtually no members or supporters. The alt-right is a white supremacist movement like the KKK and Neo-Nazis. Shorn of those ideologies, there’s nothing left.


    LOL. No, Alt Right made some gains precisely because it offered an alternative to both GOP Inc(servile to Neocons and corporations) and the Neo-Nazi skinhead type(usually pushed by media as face of the 'far right').

    Alt Right struck out because it named Jewish supremacism as the governing principle of the West. It called for White liberation from this globalist grip on the white race. This is why Spencer and Enoch protested the bombing of Syria. No more white guys fighting wars for Israel. It said NO to White Submissivism.

    If anything, Alt Right would have made much bigger gains by sending a message that it has NO ties to the KKK neo-nazi elements always hyped by MSM.

    You realize MSM now calls even moderate nationalist the 'far right'. It used to be one had to be a skinhead or neo-nazi to be 'far right'. Today, ANY European who wants to preserve his nation for his own folks is 'far right'.

    Given the rise of white identity all across EU and US, Alt Right really had a chance.

    Now, with guys like Enoch who thrive on irreverence, the 'larpy' Nazi-tropes is just part of the game.

    But if Spencer wants to lead a serious movement, he needs to form a wall that clearly says what is or isn't the Alt Right. 'The world is built on a wall'.

    You seem to have an African name. Are you in the West? If so, why are you a White Preferist? Why did you leave your own nation and your people/culture to live in white-made and white-run nations? Do you believe whites do everything better? Why you 'racist'!

    OTOH, if you are in Africa, good for you.

    You seem to have an African name. Are you in the West? If so, why are you a White Preferist? Why did you leave your own nation and your people/culture to live in white-made and white-run nations? Do you believe whites do everything better? Why you ‘racist’!

    And now you will see your attempt at logic fail.

    He will explain how you destroy everything. How you used slavery. How you need them because you’re hopeless people. You are attempting an effort a logic, which is completely futile and he will now be able to crow in the end how inferior you actually are.

    Then he will paste it to his black and liberal group so they will laugh at you and how realistically powerless you are.

    AaronB’s point is shown.

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    It's somewhat self-defeating to try and consciously devise a better approach when our current predicament is the result of an over-reliance on conscious approaches in general.

    However, a few points can be briefly sketched perhaps through the use of examples.

    Let's take Japan again as a useful case example. The Japanese believe in this nebulous concept called "spirit" - basically they believe that effort and determination can overcome all obstacles. Obviously they take it too far but at the same time this belief motivates the entire nation to make a maximum effort in everything they do, no matter how trivial. The Japanese economic "miracle" is nothing less than this.

    Now contrast this with the fatalism and despair-inducing belief in genetic determinism that afflicts us. Steve Sailor with an ironic and sardonic smile will tell that your position in the world is an ineffable emanation of your genetic potential there is little you can do to affect.

    Meanwhile Asians and Jews with their irrational belief in non genetic factors like "spirit" are laughing at you and eating your lunch as they just work harder than you despite having fewer high IQ people than you in America - but you have Steve Sailers and John Derbyshire sardonic smile to comfort you as you slide comfortably into oblivion.

    Take the concept of nation or prople. It's irrational and nebulous and cannot be seen or defined clearly or detected by scientific instruments - naturally therefore white hyper-rationality destroys belief in it and make everyone into selfish individualists. Everyone else, meanwhile, laughs at us as they act collectively to promote group interests on the basis of belief in this utterly non rational entity.

    Clearly, like dark matter and gravity, certain things cannot be seen or detected but belief in them is absolutely necessary if humans are to successfully navigate their way through the world and if the equation so are going to add up. Somehow, whites can only see this when it applies to physics, not human life.

    Because hyper rationality has literally
    made whites stupid - depressed their cognitive function to the point where they can't think clearly.

    The basic difference in approach is - develop an appreciation for non rational factors, burst free of the prison house of logic and learn to use it as a tool again only, start believing in things you can't prove through logic or detect through scientific instruments but seem indicated by life and circumstances, relearn to be comfortable with fuzzy and vague concepts and ideas that nevertheless have tremendous impact and stop insisting on the stupid Descartian "simple, clear" ideas as the only ones worth focusing on. Finally, reconstitute an inherited tradition based on appreciation for the non rational

    Simple, no?

    This is why the situation is hopeless - only collapse and humiliation will lead to the massive shift in course needed, and to the current system being discredited.

    If this is an example of what you call “weaponized logic” you just fell flat on your face.

    Let’s take Japan again as a useful case example. The Japanese believe in this nebulous concept called “spirit” – basically they believe that effort and determination can overcome all obstacles. Obviously they take it too far but at the same time this belief motivates the entire nation to make a maximum effort in everything they do, no matter how trivial. The Japanese economic “miracle” is nothing less than this.

    The Japanese miracle exists because white men allowed them to manufacturer products, almost all invented by white men, for white consumerism. This is true for all Asian Tigers.

    Now contrast this with the fatalism and despair-inducing belief in genetic determinism that afflicts us. Steve Sailor with an ironic and sardonic smile will tell that your position in the world is an ineffable emanation of your genetic potential there is little you can do to affect.

    Pure bullshit. There is no despair. Again, whites are optimistic innovators; Asians, copiers.

    Take the concept of nation or prople. It’s irrational and nebulous and cannot be seen or defined clearly or detected by scientific instruments – naturally therefore white hyper-rationality destroys belief in it and make everyone into selfish individualists. Everyone else, meanwhile, laughs at us as they act collectively to promote group interests on the basis of belief in this utterly non rational entity.

    Pure nonsense. It is the unselfish global collectivists who are causing this because of an irrational belief in the new religion of Antiracism. It’s us individualistic, selfish white nationalists who are fighting to keep our culture intact.

    Your entire argument is irrational. Logic demonstrates that all white cultures are preferable to non-white cultures. It can be measured qualitatively, we have the higher standards of living. It can be measured quantitatively, people are voting with their feet. So many of the people in the world would prefer to live in white cultures than their own that I believe it’s the vast majority.

    It is the irrational belief in Antiracism that is preventing us from doing anything about it. Every time one of us tries to prevent the destruction of Western Civilization, we are quickly shouted down as racists.

    However, you are correct in one point. Only an economic collapse will break this mass insanity.

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    You should keep on telling yourself this, change nothing, and learn from no one. You're number one. Remember that.
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  111. AaronB says:
    @Mark Presco
    If this is an example of what you call “weaponized logic” you just fell flat on your face.

    Let’s take Japan again as a useful case example. The Japanese believe in this nebulous concept called “spirit” – basically they believe that effort and determination can overcome all obstacles. Obviously they take it too far but at the same time this belief motivates the entire nation to make a maximum effort in everything they do, no matter how trivial. The Japanese economic “miracle” is nothing less than this.
     
    The Japanese miracle exists because white men allowed them to manufacturer products, almost all invented by white men, for white consumerism. This is true for all Asian Tigers.

    Now contrast this with the fatalism and despair-inducing belief in genetic determinism that afflicts us. Steve Sailor with an ironic and sardonic smile will tell that your position in the world is an ineffable emanation of your genetic potential there is little you can do to affect.
     
    Pure bullshit. There is no despair. Again, whites are optimistic innovators; Asians, copiers.

    Take the concept of nation or prople. It’s irrational and nebulous and cannot be seen or defined clearly or detected by scientific instruments – naturally therefore white hyper-rationality destroys belief in it and make everyone into selfish individualists. Everyone else, meanwhile, laughs at us as they act collectively to promote group interests on the basis of belief in this utterly non rational entity.
     
    Pure nonsense. It is the unselfish global collectivists who are causing this because of an irrational belief in the new religion of Antiracism. It’s us individualistic, selfish white nationalists who are fighting to keep our culture intact.

    Your entire argument is irrational. Logic demonstrates that all white cultures are preferable to non-white cultures. It can be measured qualitatively, we have the higher standards of living. It can be measured quantitatively, people are voting with their feet. So many of the people in the world would prefer to live in white cultures than their own that I believe it’s the vast majority.

    It is the irrational belief in Antiracism that is preventing us from doing anything about it. Every time one of us tries to prevent the destruction of Western Civilization, we are quickly shouted down as racists.

    However, you are correct in one point. Only an economic collapse will break this mass insanity.

    You should keep on telling yourself this, change nothing, and learn from no one. You’re number one. Remember that.

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    I am sure the last of the Babylonians said the same, too. Look, everyone comes here! All science comes from us! Nothing could go wrong with our superiority, Jews are slaves and concubines!

    Forward four thousand years, who knows of them? But the Jews are yet among us.

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  112. AaronB says:
    @AaronB
    It's somewhat self-defeating to try and consciously devise a better approach when our current predicament is the result of an over-reliance on conscious approaches in general.

    However, a few points can be briefly sketched perhaps through the use of examples.

    Let's take Japan again as a useful case example. The Japanese believe in this nebulous concept called "spirit" - basically they believe that effort and determination can overcome all obstacles. Obviously they take it too far but at the same time this belief motivates the entire nation to make a maximum effort in everything they do, no matter how trivial. The Japanese economic "miracle" is nothing less than this.

    Now contrast this with the fatalism and despair-inducing belief in genetic determinism that afflicts us. Steve Sailor with an ironic and sardonic smile will tell that your position in the world is an ineffable emanation of your genetic potential there is little you can do to affect.

    Meanwhile Asians and Jews with their irrational belief in non genetic factors like "spirit" are laughing at you and eating your lunch as they just work harder than you despite having fewer high IQ people than you in America - but you have Steve Sailers and John Derbyshire sardonic smile to comfort you as you slide comfortably into oblivion.

    Take the concept of nation or prople. It's irrational and nebulous and cannot be seen or defined clearly or detected by scientific instruments - naturally therefore white hyper-rationality destroys belief in it and make everyone into selfish individualists. Everyone else, meanwhile, laughs at us as they act collectively to promote group interests on the basis of belief in this utterly non rational entity.

    Clearly, like dark matter and gravity, certain things cannot be seen or detected but belief in them is absolutely necessary if humans are to successfully navigate their way through the world and if the equation so are going to add up. Somehow, whites can only see this when it applies to physics, not human life.

    Because hyper rationality has literally
    made whites stupid - depressed their cognitive function to the point where they can't think clearly.

    The basic difference in approach is - develop an appreciation for non rational factors, burst free of the prison house of logic and learn to use it as a tool again only, start believing in things you can't prove through logic or detect through scientific instruments but seem indicated by life and circumstances, relearn to be comfortable with fuzzy and vague concepts and ideas that nevertheless have tremendous impact and stop insisting on the stupid Descartian "simple, clear" ideas as the only ones worth focusing on. Finally, reconstitute an inherited tradition based on appreciation for the non rational

    Simple, no?

    This is why the situation is hopeless - only collapse and humiliation will lead to the massive shift in course needed, and to the current system being discredited.

    To expand on this, logic is right now acting as a filter and screen on your brain, preventing you from seeing all sorts of things that you would naturally see, literally making white people stupid and depressing tyour cognitive functions as well as depressing you emotionally.

    Probably the only you need to “do”is remove this logical filter – you will begin to “notice” all sorts if things you can’t now.

    In other words, you can’t consciously craft an approach in a positive manner using principles and the like – that’s the problem.

    As hard as it may seem, you actually have to stop doing something rather than start doing something. You have to remove a cognitive filter rather than add any idea or principle.

    It’s a negative process – the problem is that our culture always encourages positive action, adding principles and ideas rather than subtracting them.

    Healthy, adaptive living is a genuine interaction with reality – the logical filter has hidden too much of reality from view, severing this connection.

    So instead of once more trying to “do” something positive and adding an idea that you then apply – merely remove the logical filter which is depressing you cognitively.

    What will emerge after that will be based on an interaction with reality and a newfound ability to “see” – the precise form it will take cannot be predicted.

    Such loss of control is also frightening to Westerners, who as FKAmax has shown, seem prone to anxiety – which is why they developed such an iron system of control through science and logic.

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    To expand on this, logic is right now acting as a filter and screen on your brain, preventing you from seeing all sorts of things that you would naturally see, literally making white people stupid and depressing tyour cognitive functions as well as depressing you emotionally.
     
    Oh, good lord, but you are a complete idiot. Another one for the Ignore List.

    Toodles, moron.
    , @Mark Presco
    AaronB, I may have been a little harsh and I think you mean well, but this sounds like leftist postmodernism. Kant argued that the human mind cannot understand, nor even perceive reality correctly. Therefore, the human mind should dictate reality. It’ absurd. It is all about what you feel.
    Is this where you are coming from?

    You can listen to an audiobook Explaining Postmodernism narrated by the author here:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQcNjHNXnEE
    , @Pericles
    Well, I for one actually appreciate this short course in 'arguing like a Jew', so thank you. The reader may also see this phenomenon in action in those odd legal decisions that have been used to delay Trump.
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  113. wayfarer says:
    @AaronB
    It's somewhat self-defeating to try and consciously devise a better approach when our current predicament is the result of an over-reliance on conscious approaches in general.

    However, a few points can be briefly sketched perhaps through the use of examples.

    Let's take Japan again as a useful case example. The Japanese believe in this nebulous concept called "spirit" - basically they believe that effort and determination can overcome all obstacles. Obviously they take it too far but at the same time this belief motivates the entire nation to make a maximum effort in everything they do, no matter how trivial. The Japanese economic "miracle" is nothing less than this.

    Now contrast this with the fatalism and despair-inducing belief in genetic determinism that afflicts us. Steve Sailor with an ironic and sardonic smile will tell that your position in the world is an ineffable emanation of your genetic potential there is little you can do to affect.

    Meanwhile Asians and Jews with their irrational belief in non genetic factors like "spirit" are laughing at you and eating your lunch as they just work harder than you despite having fewer high IQ people than you in America - but you have Steve Sailers and John Derbyshire sardonic smile to comfort you as you slide comfortably into oblivion.

    Take the concept of nation or prople. It's irrational and nebulous and cannot be seen or defined clearly or detected by scientific instruments - naturally therefore white hyper-rationality destroys belief in it and make everyone into selfish individualists. Everyone else, meanwhile, laughs at us as they act collectively to promote group interests on the basis of belief in this utterly non rational entity.

    Clearly, like dark matter and gravity, certain things cannot be seen or detected but belief in them is absolutely necessary if humans are to successfully navigate their way through the world and if the equation so are going to add up. Somehow, whites can only see this when it applies to physics, not human life.

    Because hyper rationality has literally
    made whites stupid - depressed their cognitive function to the point where they can't think clearly.

    The basic difference in approach is - develop an appreciation for non rational factors, burst free of the prison house of logic and learn to use it as a tool again only, start believing in things you can't prove through logic or detect through scientific instruments but seem indicated by life and circumstances, relearn to be comfortable with fuzzy and vague concepts and ideas that nevertheless have tremendous impact and stop insisting on the stupid Descartian "simple, clear" ideas as the only ones worth focusing on. Finally, reconstitute an inherited tradition based on appreciation for the non rational

    Simple, no?

    This is why the situation is hopeless - only collapse and humiliation will lead to the massive shift in course needed, and to the current system being discredited.

    A failed attempt at gun suicide as a teenager, was the result of an unseen yet consciously perceived “divine intervention.”

    The advice, “Don’t kill yourself, you’re going to die someday anyway. Go through life from this point forward, and live out your dreams!

    Our heart is the compass of our dreams, providing us with a guidance system. Being sensitive to feelings, emotions, subtle thoughts and so on, it points us in life’s optimal directions.

    It seems too much mathematical work and logical reasoning with the mind, will impede one’s artistic nature, whether that be an unchecked sense of humor, creative writing, etc. At least that’s been my experience.

    In my belief system, an unseen spirit world actively engages us. I conduct observations and experiments, as to the syncing of daily events. Their significance is too personal and mundane for others to appreciate.

    A cardinal north of our heart’s compass points in the direction of life’s joy, which can be found by following our dreams.

    Thanks for your helpful narratives, AaronB.

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    It seems too much mathematical work and logical reasoning with the mind, will impede one’s artistic nature, whether that be an unchecked sense of humor, creative writing, etc. At least that’s been my experience.
     
    Darwin said by the end of his life he had lost the ability to perceive beauty or enjoy poetry, and John Stuart Mill who had an extremely strict scientific education collapsed into a depression from which he recovered only by reading the poetry of Wordsworth.

    It's over, man. It was our fate to be born in the last senile days of a dying civilization. In the few years I've been writing here I think a tiny handful of people even understood what I was saying, and most were non white and non American.

    The best thing to do is disengage from American and maybe even European culture - I've searched, but I couldn't find anything to save. Imaginatively connect to other cultures through art and literature and mentally live among them - we are drastically influenced by the "hive mind" of whatever group we emotionally identify with. It's imperative that every sane person emotionally distance himself from Americans. Luckily, even Netflix has growing selection of foreign programming - starting around 2012, have you noticed that American television has been glorifying psychopaths? It's disturbing. No sane person can watch American TV.

    In a few years, I will no longer live in America - and thank god I have a decent social circle in the meantime.

    Enjoy the Arizona desert!
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  114. Okechukwu says:
    @Anon
    Then they’d have virtually no members or supporters. The alt-right is a white supremacist movement like the KKK and Neo-Nazis. Shorn of those ideologies, there’s nothing left.


    LOL. No, Alt Right made some gains precisely because it offered an alternative to both GOP Inc(servile to Neocons and corporations) and the Neo-Nazi skinhead type(usually pushed by media as face of the 'far right').

    Alt Right struck out because it named Jewish supremacism as the governing principle of the West. It called for White liberation from this globalist grip on the white race. This is why Spencer and Enoch protested the bombing of Syria. No more white guys fighting wars for Israel. It said NO to White Submissivism.

    If anything, Alt Right would have made much bigger gains by sending a message that it has NO ties to the KKK neo-nazi elements always hyped by MSM.

    You realize MSM now calls even moderate nationalist the 'far right'. It used to be one had to be a skinhead or neo-nazi to be 'far right'. Today, ANY European who wants to preserve his nation for his own folks is 'far right'.

    Given the rise of white identity all across EU and US, Alt Right really had a chance.

    Now, with guys like Enoch who thrive on irreverence, the 'larpy' Nazi-tropes is just part of the game.

    But if Spencer wants to lead a serious movement, he needs to form a wall that clearly says what is or isn't the Alt Right. 'The world is built on a wall'.

    You seem to have an African name. Are you in the West? If so, why are you a White Preferist? Why did you leave your own nation and your people/culture to live in white-made and white-run nations? Do you believe whites do everything better? Why you 'racist'!

    OTOH, if you are in Africa, good for you.

    LOL. No, Alt Right made some gains precisely because it offered an alternative to both GOP Inc(servile to Neocons and corporations) and the Neo-Nazi skinhead type(usually pushed by media as face of the ‘far right’).

    They didn’t actually make any gains. They had a committed core of Internet trolls, who through their trolling, conveyed a false sense of their numbers and influence. The Internet tends to distort reality and probably convinced alt-right honchos of a momentum they never had. But when they laid down their keyboards and tried to engage in physical space, we all saw what happened. Often times they were outnumbered 5,000 to 1.

    The alt-right, from its inception, was a Neo-Nazi movement. It wasn’t a hard right movement. It wasn’t a re-imagining of conservative thought. It was racialism and white supremacism pure and simple. When you start off talking about ethnostates and ethnic cleansing, that can’t be characterized as any ideology right or left. It’s simply fascism with insurrectionist, totalitarian aspirations.

    This is why Spencer and Enoch protested the bombing of Syria. No more white guys fighting wars for Israel. It said NO to White Submissivism.

    I think their masters in Moscow had alot to do with that. Notice they didn’t object to any other US intervention, just the one Russia was vehemently against. On some levels, the alt-right is a Russian intelligence op. I mean they were chanting “Russia is our friend” in Charlottesville.

    If anything, Alt Right would have made much bigger gains by sending a message that it has NO ties to the KKK neo-nazi elements always hyped by MSM.

    They can’t. Their membership and supporters are composed almost exclusively of those elements.

    You realize MSM now calls even moderate nationalist the ‘far right’. It used to be one had to be a skinhead or neo-nazi to be ‘far right’. Today, ANY European who wants to preserve his nation for his own folks is ‘far right’.

    Nope. People who advocate for sensible immigration policies are not considered far right. There are members of congress who want to reduce even legal immigration and they’re not described as far right. Far rightists go beyond that sort of advocacy in ways that can only be described as extreme and hateful.

    Given the rise of white identity all across EU and US, Alt Right really had a chance.

    White identity is incompatible with American values. So it will never gain any currency here. In Europe, identity is informed by tribal and nationalistic affinities and not by some universal whiteness. On a certain level, the Germans hate the Dutch and vice versa, and they’re both white. In the UK, there’s great disquiet about the influx of Poles, and their both white. There are many other examples.

    But if Spencer wants to lead a serious movement, he needs to form a wall that clearly says what is or isn’t the Alt Right. ‘The world is built on a wall’.

    Both Spencer and Enoch are clownish figures who couldn’t lead their way out of a paper bag. But ultimately, the problem is with ideology and not with leadership or organization or optics. The alt-right, like all white supremacist movements before them, are trying to claim white victimhood in a society overwhelmingly dominated by white people — where white people have abundant privilege that non-whites can only dream about. It was a battle they were bound to lose simply on the basis of not having a legitimate cause.

    You seem to have an African name. Are you in the West? If so, why are you a White Preferist? Why did you leave your own nation and your people/culture to live in white-made and white-run nations? Do you believe whites do everything better? Why you ‘racist’!

    I’m in America, which the nation of my birth. I had no say in the matter. But why are you in America? And why are whites in Africa? We could ask ourselves these silly questions all day long.

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    They didn’t actually make any gains. They had a committed core of Internet trolls, who through their trolling, conveyed a false sense of their numbers and influence.
     
    You're no authority on the matter. For not making any gains the alt-right forced Paul Ryan, Hillary Clinton and many other politicians and eventually, Donald Trump to acknowledge their existence long before Charlottesville. The alt-right was and is living rent free in the heads of many leftists and anti-white bigots like you who fear an uprising of racially aware whites and threat to the established order of Jewish and non-white privilege that it represents. Because if that ever happens the good life that black skin privilege has afforded you is over and you know it.

    The alt-right, from its inception, was a Neo-Nazi movement.
     
    No, some admire the national socialist ideology while many others do not or are neutral on the subject. There's a diversity of thought and opinion within the alt-right movement and perhaps too much which is why we still can't agree on very much. You just read a couple of articles over at The Root and crowned yourself and expert on the alt-right. The only black person who actually understands the phenomenon of the alt-right and writes and speak about in a fair, balanced and intellectual manner is professor Carol Swain.

    I think their masters in Moscow had alot to do with that. Notice they didn’t object to any other US intervention, just the one Russia was vehemently against.
     
    This is the musings of an MSNBC tard. Joy Reid is probably your fav. If the alt-right has masters in Moscow they have nothing to show for it in the way of financial and moral support. Many on the left and the right were opposed to the cruise missile strike in Syria. Are they all Putin stooges? Are you, Obama, Al Sharpton and BLM the only clear eyed patriots in this nation?

    White identity is incompatible with American values. So it will never gain any currency here.
     
    Neither is black identity so why are you a black supremacist? But if white identity is incompatible with American values then how come you blacks and loony leftists lecture us all the time on how America was born in white supremacy and oppression of the innocent black man and how American history is one long record of white supremacy? You can't have your cake and eat it, too, so you need to make up your minds instead of talking out of both sides of your mouths.

    Both Spencer and Enoch are clownish figures who couldn’t lead their way out of a paper bag.
     
    Then so is Deray Mckesson and the rest of the BLM buffoons and Mad Maxine Waters who confirms the stereotype about blacks every time she opens her big mouth. Jewish media, influence and money props these morons up far beyond their natural ability so long as they direct their racial hostility towards whitey and not the Jews. If it wasn't for that the BLM people would be reduced to begging for change on the city streets and Waters would be a welfare queen unable to afford a James Brown wig.
    , @Anon
    "They didn’t actually make any gains. They had a committed core of Internet trolls, who through their trolling, conveyed a false sense of their numbers and influence. "

    If Alt Right is just a nothinghippoburger, why did the Power muster all its resources to shut it down? I agree that the Alt Right numbers was exaggerated from the beginning. But Alt Right was not about numbers. It was about the message. It was a new right that wasn't slavish to Israel and Free Trade orthodoxy. It was willing to engage with the Jewish Question which even some Jews are engaging with(though from another perspective) because it's a power that has to addressed.

    There was no danger of Alt Right creating a vast army to take over America or even win elections. But it did threaten the Narrative. Also, if Alt Right is just a bunch of internet trolls, the Power would be far less alarmed. The fact is there is also a core of serious people who deal with real issues.

    Alt Right benefited from a perfect storm. Trump ran on themes that were closer to Alt Right positions than to Conservative Inc. So, AR rode the Trump Wave. Also, the media and Democrats tried to use Alt Right against Trump. They tried to make Alt Right the new neo-nazis and KKK, but it only boosted their notoriety, not least because Alt Right fashy stuff was ironic and funny.

    But when the movement was on the verge of breaking through at Charlottesville, the power used all its muscle to shut it down. So, whether you are right or wrong about the Alt Right, what is certain is that the Power was scared and violated Constitutional rights of Alt Right people to shut down the movement.

    That said, Spencer extended his hand to too many unsavory types who really are neo-nazi morons. That was a big mistake.

    "The alt-right, from its inception, was a Neo-Nazi movement. It wasn’t a hard right movement. It wasn’t a re-imagining of conservative thought. It was racialism and white supremacism pure and simple. When you start off talking about ethnostates and ethnic cleansing, that can’t be characterized as any ideology right or left. It’s simply fascism with insurrectionist, totalitarian aspirations."


    LOL. I'm a race-ist but anti-Nazi. There are plenty of people like Ramzpaul who are 'race realists' and don't go for neo-nazi stuff. You're just PC in conflating anything related to White Identity with 'neo-nazi'. I suppose that makes Jewish nationalists a bunch of 'neo-nazis' too. And black nationalists in Africa are a bunch of Black Nazis. That is just dumb.

    As for ethno-states, that has been the dream of anti-imperialists. Ethno-nationalism is about wanting to be free from the Empire. Vietnamese fought for their ethno-state. Algerians kicked out the French. Africans kicked out Brits and French and Belgians. Currently, Europe is being invaded by black demographic imperialists like you who've messed up their own nations.

    As for 'ethnic-cleansing', mass immigration or mass invasion IS ethnic-cleansing. Mass immigration of Zionists led to ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. Mass migration of Albanians led to ethnic-cleansing of Serbians from Kosovo. What the Alt Right is calling for is COUNTER-ETHNIC-CLEANSING against mass invaders who mess up their own nations and then try to take over white or richer nations. YOUR kind are demographic ethnic cleansers. You want to invade and demographically take over other nations because (1) you have too many babies in your own nation (2) and your kind turned your own nations to crap. Also, you come to white lands and beat up weaker white guys and demand 'where da white woman at?' You want to reduce white men into cucky-wuck 'white boys' and colonize white wombs to make black babies.

    Is Alt Right fascist. That's good because fascism is the greatest ideology of the 20th century. It was ruined by the egotism of Mussolini and Hitler, but Ataturk showed a way by which fascism can be humanist and nationalist(than imperialist and megalomanical). Neo-fascism is a creative fusion of left and right. We need both.

    I think their masters in Moscow had alot to do with that.

    Their masters? Shiite! So, you are a troll!! You're not even an African but some white guy pretending to be some spear-chucker at hippos. Okay, but I'll play along as if you be what you claim to be.

    Nope. People who advocate for sensible immigration policies are not considered far right. There are members of congress who want to reduce even legal immigration and they’re not described as far right.

    What is 'sensible' immigration policy? You mean Paul Ryan and John McCain?
    Trump has been called 'literally hitler'. NYT foams at the mouth about him. We are told illegals are 'dreamers'. We are told deporting illegals is like rounding up Jews during WWII. ROTFL.
    In Europe, it's worse. Even calling for end to immigration is called 'far right'.
    I hope you chuck spears better than you chuck answers.

    White identity is incompatible with American values. So it will never gain any currency here.

    No, it was perfectly compatible with American values before globalists took over the US. America could not have been possible without whites removing Indians. Whites didn't culturally and racially merge with Indians but replaced Indians with explicitly white civilization. Also, whites had to keep blacks under control because blacks are stronger, more aggressive, wilder, and stuff. So, America developed as an extension of European Civilization because whites expelled Indians from most lands and because whites made sure blacks didn't get to acting too wild and ugabuga.
    It is when whites lost control of America and abandoned race-ism that the US began to go to pot. Now, mass invasion is turning white folks into New Indians because the Third World mobs come and take stuff from whites. If whites came to a wilderness and built a civilization, non-whites come from their messed-up nations(messed up because there are too many morons like themselves) and leech off what white folks built.
    As for blacks, ever since they were allowed to run free, they turned cities like Detroit, Baltimore, S. Louis, South Side of Chicago, and etc. Blacks got the bongo gene that is bad for civilization.

    The alt-right, like all white supremacist movements before them, are trying to claim white victimhood in a society overwhelmingly dominated by white people

    No, Alt Right is not about white victimhood. Victimhood is about 'gimme, gimme, gimme', something blacks say all the time. Alt Right is not asking for freebies and goodies. They are saying white people should free themselves from Jewish supremacism and 'white guilt'. Alt Right isn't asking non-whites or Jews to favor whites or feel sorry for them. It is saying white people should care about their own kind and forge their own destiny.
    It's the blacks who be saying, 'gots to have me dat, so gimme gimme gimme'. It's the Jews who are saying, "you gentiles gotta give us holocaust money forever and fight wars for Israel'. Alt Right is only saying, let whitey be whitey, and let other peoples do their own things.

    Alt Right is white centrist. It says whites should care about their identity and interests. Alt Right is not asking for help or freebies from the likes of you. No, your kind is the one who is saying, 'white man, you gotta gimme gimme gimme'.

    Also, while it's true that most of the successful people in America are white, they don't care about white people, culture, or identity. Bill Gates and Tim Cook don't give a crap about whites. They only care about profits and sucking up to the Top Power, that of Jewish globalists. Your argument is built on a fallacy. You seem to think that presence of lots of rich whites means pro-white power among the rich. Not so. Most white elites are only into themselves. And many of them use their money to fund organizations that hurt whites.

    Even under British Imperialism, there were many rich native Indians. But as collaborators with the British Empire, they didn't do diddly for their own national kin. They were just in it for themselves.

    I’m in America, which the nation of my birth. I had no say in the matter. But why are you in America? And why are whites in Africa? We could ask ourselves these silly questions all day long.

    But why did your African parents leave their own people/nation and decide to move to a nation founded and built by whites? Why did they decide to have their kids in a white-built nation than in their own nation? And if you're into African identity, why don't you go back to Africa? We know why,and there is a recognizable pattern.
    White people do things better, and blacks want to leech off whites. It's the same with Meso-Americans, Muslims, Asians, Hindus, and etc. They are all leaving their own nations to leech off whitey. Blacks don't want to move to black nations but to white ones.
    US may be the nation of your birth, but it came into being as a reality long before your kind came here.

    Now, I feel silly because you are mostly likely a white troll pretending to be African. I mean NO ONE can believe Spencer and Enoch are taking orders from Russia. LOL.
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  115. Anonymous[457] • Disclaimer says:
    @AaronB
    You should keep on telling yourself this, change nothing, and learn from no one. You're number one. Remember that.

    I am sure the last of the Babylonians said the same, too. Look, everyone comes here! All science comes from us! Nothing could go wrong with our superiority, Jews are slaves and concubines!

    Forward four thousand years, who knows of them? But the Jews are yet among us.

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  116. @AaronB
    To expand on this, logic is right now acting as a filter and screen on your brain, preventing you from seeing all sorts of things that you would naturally see, literally making white people stupid and depressing tyour cognitive functions as well as depressing you emotionally.

    Probably the only you need to "do"is remove this logical filter - you will begin to "notice" all sorts if things you can't now.

    In other words, you can't consciously craft an approach in a positive manner using principles and the like - that's the problem.

    As hard as it may seem, you actually have to stop doing something rather than start doing something. You have to remove a cognitive filter rather than add any idea or principle.

    It's a negative process - the problem is that our culture always encourages positive action, adding principles and ideas rather than subtracting them.

    Healthy, adaptive living is a genuine interaction with reality - the logical filter has hidden too much of reality from view, severing this connection.

    So instead of once more trying to "do" something positive and adding an idea that you then apply - merely remove the logical filter which is depressing you cognitively.

    What will emerge after that will be based on an interaction with reality and a newfound ability to "see" - the precise form it will take cannot be predicted.

    Such loss of control is also frightening to Westerners, who as FKAmax has shown, seem prone to anxiety - which is why they developed such an iron system of control through science and logic.

    To expand on this, logic is right now acting as a filter and screen on your brain, preventing you from seeing all sorts of things that you would naturally see, literally making white people stupid and depressing tyour cognitive functions as well as depressing you emotionally.

    Oh, good lord, but you are a complete idiot. Another one for the Ignore List.

    Toodles, moron.

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  117. “I think their masters in Moscow had alot to do with that. Notice they didn’t object to any other US intervention, just the one Russia was vehemently against. On some levels, the alt-right is a Russian intelligence op. I mean they were chanting “Russia is our friend” in Charlottesville.”

    That’s what I was waiting to read in your increasingly shrill comments against the alt-right. You’re showing your true colors now, so please just keep it up, so that anybody reading here can see what you’re doing. You can’t state with any accuracy who was chanting the line about Russia. Seeing Russia as a potential friend is a positive ideal, not treason or sedition, as you’re trying to imply.

    The Charlottesville demonstration drew on different kinds of people, and many people there were not affiliated with the puppets who the media credited with the demonstration. The idea for the demonstration didn’t originate with any of the former leftists you’re bashing. The protest was about the removal of statues at its root. Spencer tried to hitch a ride, and gave the media a stick to beat the protest with. That may have been his intention all along.

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    That’s what I was waiting to read in your increasingly shrill comments against the alt-right. You’re showing your true colors now, so please just keep it up, so that anybody reading here can see what you’re doing. You can’t state with any accuracy who was chanting the line about Russia. Seeing Russia as a potential friend is a positive ideal, not treason or sedition, as you’re trying to imply.
     
    As someone who genuinely likes Russia and has consumed more Russian books and films than 99% of the alt right, I think I'm uniquely qualified to speak to this issue. No, Russia is not your friend. Russia doesn't have friends, it has interests (as they see it). Russia is pointing thousands of nukes at you and could obliterate you at any moment. That's not how friends behave towards friends. The UK's nukes are not pointed at the USA, nor is France's.

    Russia is not the white supremacist holy land that many white nationalists have idealized it to be. The Soviet Union officially stood against racist white colonialist oppression in the developing world. In many ways, Russia has taken up that mantle. They've deployed their UN Security Council veto in favor of Zimbabwe, for example.
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  118. KenH says:
    @Dante
    OK thanks I will look that book up on Amazon, Yes there certainly are signs of massive unrest in the nations with larger non European populations..France England Sweden etc. Thanks again

    If you don’t mind reading off a computer screen you can probably find a PDF copy by doing a search on google or another search engine like duckduckgo.

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  119. AaronB says:
    @wayfarer
    A failed attempt at gun suicide as a teenager, was the result of an unseen yet consciously perceived “divine intervention.”

    The advice, “Don't kill yourself, you're going to die someday anyway. Go through life from this point forward, and live out your dreams!

    Our heart is the compass of our dreams, providing us with a guidance system. Being sensitive to feelings, emotions, subtle thoughts and so on, it points us in life's optimal directions.

    It seems too much mathematical work and logical reasoning with the mind, will impede one's artistic nature, whether that be an unchecked sense of humor, creative writing, etc. At least that's been my experience.

    In my belief system, an unseen spirit world actively engages us. I conduct observations and experiments, as to the syncing of daily events. Their significance is too personal and mundane for others to appreciate.

    A cardinal north of our heart's compass points in the direction of life's joy, which can be found by following our dreams.

    Thanks for your helpful narratives, AaronB.

    It seems too much mathematical work and logical reasoning with the mind, will impede one’s artistic nature, whether that be an unchecked sense of humor, creative writing, etc. At least that’s been my experience.

    Darwin said by the end of his life he had lost the ability to perceive beauty or enjoy poetry, and John Stuart Mill who had an extremely strict scientific education collapsed into a depression from which he recovered only by reading the poetry of Wordsworth.

    It’s over, man. It was our fate to be born in the last senile days of a dying civilization. In the few years I’ve been writing here I think a tiny handful of people even understood what I was saying, and most were non white and non American.

    The best thing to do is disengage from American and maybe even European culture – I’ve searched, but I couldn’t find anything to save. Imaginatively connect to other cultures through art and literature and mentally live among them – we are drastically influenced by the “hive mind” of whatever group we emotionally identify with. It’s imperative that every sane person emotionally distance himself from Americans. Luckily, even Netflix has growing selection of foreign programming – starting around 2012, have you noticed that American television has been glorifying psychopaths? It’s disturbing. No sane person can watch American TV.

    In a few years, I will no longer live in America – and thank god I have a decent social circle in the meantime.

    Enjoy the Arizona desert!

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    There's no fixing this broken world, not single-handedly at least. God knows, you for one have tried. But alas alt-consciousness, sadly never sold.

    It now appears as if we're headed for Atlantis 2.0 (i.e. “part deux!”). After which, mother nature will get her long long deserved break, from the scourge of an indifferent mankind.

    Too bad people didn't get it this time around. Of course, there's always the next 27,000 year cycle, with all of the countless human incarnations, which come with that.

    source: http://www.lunarplanner.com/HolyCross.html

    Seemingly at the eleventh-hour of humanity, one has to wonder what might have been the fix? Certainly wasn't government and/or religion as our history had experienced it.

    In retrospect it may had been wise to have applied a “fail-fast” systems design theory. But instead we get weaponized plastic technologies, grim humorless AI, and poker-faced robots to usher us out.

    source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fail-fast

    In the end times, it's going to be a pirate's good life for me. I've a hunch you may be a fellow pirate as well. And if that is the case, enjoy the impending sea-ventures and salty-dreams that lay ahead, mate!

    .....

    , @Daniel Chieh
    Please keep a blog if you leave Unz. I've enjoyed your posts and you've had an influence on my thinking.
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  120. @Wally
    said:
    "Actually, the term I used in an article on this site was synthetic event."

    And there is no event more absurdly "synthetic" than the so called 'holocaust'.

    There is simply no proof for the claims of '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers'.
    In fact the claims are simply scientifically impossible, ridiculously so.

    It has become THE tool of dominance used by Jews over Euro-white gentiles.
    The immense cash, preferential treatment, and political power gained by Jews from it makes it the biggest fraud in history.
    Nothing changes until it's fraudulence is openly discussed.
    I know it, we all know it.

    The '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers' are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the 'holocaust' scam debunked here: http://codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here: http://forum.codoh.com

    The 'holocaust' storyline is one of the most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. That is why those who question it are arrested and persecuted. That is why violent, racist, & privileged supremacist Jews demand censorship. What sort of truth is it that denies free speech and the freedom to seek the truth? Truth needs no protection from scrutiny.
    Only liars demand censorship.

    there is no event more absurdly “synthetic” than the so called ‘holocaust’.

    Well, I tend to agree with you. In fact, the entire AngloZionist version of World War 2 is the biggest RRN (Roger Rabbit Narrative) of them all. However, I think you really ought to rethink your basic strategy and tactics for how you are going to get this message across to people.

    The ‘holocaust’ storyline is one of the most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. That is why those who question it are arrested and persecuted. That is why violent, racist, & privileged supremacist Jews demand censorship. What sort of truth is it that denies free speech and the freedom to seek the truth? Truth needs no protection from scrutiny.
    Only liars demand censorship.

    The above is all true, I grant, but it is off topic. Unfortunately, pasting in this boilerplate text continually in unrelated conversations tends to give people the impression that you’re just a crank.

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    The text relates to what is "synthetic" and is but a part of my post.

    Repetition works, just ask the "Holocau$t Industry", ask the ad agencies.

    Maybe you see the quoted text frequently, you do seem to live here, but to new readers it can be a brain opener.

    Besides, I constantly post different links to research, videos, photos, & other quotes, which you curiously ignore.

    It appears that you are insincere

    www.codoh.com
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  121. Anonymous[408] • Disclaimer says:

    The current state of the US is marxism/communism HELL on earth. If you do not believe in the equality myth, you get fired, doxed and have your life ruined. The state, media and everyone hates white people including our own leaders, police and even military who continue to allow this madness to happen. I’m afraid the US will be South Africa within generation. Our own leaders and politicians openly hate white people. It’s only a matter of time they say it’s ‘good’ and morally righteous to kill ‘nazis’ or anyone who doesn’t follow the party line of equality, and diversity and multiculturalism and how wonderful everything is that now there’s less white people in the world.

    OH WELL. Rant over. The alt-right may be ‘finished’ but the strange death of our race will not bring ‘utopia’ or ‘peace’ like the anti-white left will have you believe.

    # peace

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  122. Mark Presco says: • Website
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    To expand on this, logic is right now acting as a filter and screen on your brain, preventing you from seeing all sorts of things that you would naturally see, literally making white people stupid and depressing tyour cognitive functions as well as depressing you emotionally.

    Probably the only you need to "do"is remove this logical filter - you will begin to "notice" all sorts if things you can't now.

    In other words, you can't consciously craft an approach in a positive manner using principles and the like - that's the problem.

    As hard as it may seem, you actually have to stop doing something rather than start doing something. You have to remove a cognitive filter rather than add any idea or principle.

    It's a negative process - the problem is that our culture always encourages positive action, adding principles and ideas rather than subtracting them.

    Healthy, adaptive living is a genuine interaction with reality - the logical filter has hidden too much of reality from view, severing this connection.

    So instead of once more trying to "do" something positive and adding an idea that you then apply - merely remove the logical filter which is depressing you cognitively.

    What will emerge after that will be based on an interaction with reality and a newfound ability to "see" - the precise form it will take cannot be predicted.

    Such loss of control is also frightening to Westerners, who as FKAmax has shown, seem prone to anxiety - which is why they developed such an iron system of control through science and logic.

    AaronB, I may have been a little harsh and I think you mean well, but this sounds like leftist postmodernism. Kant argued that the human mind cannot understand, nor even perceive reality correctly. Therefore, the human mind should dictate reality. It’ absurd. It is all about what you feel.
    Is this where you are coming from?

    You can listen to an audiobook Explaining Postmodernism narrated by the author here:

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    No, rather the opposite perspective. It's true that everything we see is a dream and an illusion, but that does not mean there is no reality out there or that we can wake up from the dream or construct our own reality .

    What it does mean is that the categories of our mind should not be taken very seriously. To elevate realism and logic to a preeminent position and think the dream image it shows is anything more than a useful illusion that may help in some circumstances is to give the human mind a power that kant showed itt does not and cannot have (Darwin showed the same thing - but our culture is anything but consistent)

    Taking logic very seriously is the belief that our minds are the final arbiters of reality - the idea that just because our logic can't see it isn't real - when Kant showed how limited our logic is - is to believe that our minds can actually construct reality. It is insane self-worship.

    When you accept logic is a limited tool and does not actually give you access to reality, you can interact with an essentially unknowable reality in other ways that are just as essential to human well being.

    In other words, nothing we see is finally real - not logic, nor anything else. They are all useful tools to navigate an essentially unknowable reality by beings that are trapped in mystery. When used as tools, they can be helpful. When one tool is taken to give access to reality, then all other useful tools will be discarded even though they may be essential to our flourishing.

    I am not suggesting we replace logical beliefs with non rational beliefs - I am saying we should get rid of beliefs altogether and realize all our concepts and ways of of dealing with the world are tools and that the precise way therefore ultimate reality cannot be known by us.

    This way, you can allow unknowable reality to interact with your cognitive structure in all the rich and manifold ways it is capable of including imagination and poetry and emotion and hints and vague suggestions that constitute helpful hints to navigate life without ever thinking that what you perceive is anything other than an echo of an unknowable reality. By privileging logic above all else, you restrict your cognitive range and turn a rich contact with an unknowable reality into a narrow and sterile one. You cut off connection with mystery - which simply means you cut off contact with all sources of experience and all ways of navigating the world that cannot be understood by one narrow piece of cognitive apparatus.

    Sorry if none this makes sense. Perhaps it's not meant to :)
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  123. Okechukwu says:
    @Twodees Partain
    "I think their masters in Moscow had alot to do with that. Notice they didn’t object to any other US intervention, just the one Russia was vehemently against. On some levels, the alt-right is a Russian intelligence op. I mean they were chanting “Russia is our friend” in Charlottesville."

    That's what I was waiting to read in your increasingly shrill comments against the alt-right. You're showing your true colors now, so please just keep it up, so that anybody reading here can see what you're doing. You can't state with any accuracy who was chanting the line about Russia. Seeing Russia as a potential friend is a positive ideal, not treason or sedition, as you're trying to imply.

    The Charlottesville demonstration drew on different kinds of people, and many people there were not affiliated with the puppets who the media credited with the demonstration. The idea for the demonstration didn't originate with any of the former leftists you're bashing. The protest was about the removal of statues at its root. Spencer tried to hitch a ride, and gave the media a stick to beat the protest with. That may have been his intention all along.

    That’s what I was waiting to read in your increasingly shrill comments against the alt-right. You’re showing your true colors now, so please just keep it up, so that anybody reading here can see what you’re doing. You can’t state with any accuracy who was chanting the line about Russia. Seeing Russia as a potential friend is a positive ideal, not treason or sedition, as you’re trying to imply.

    As someone who genuinely likes Russia and has consumed more Russian books and films than 99% of the alt right, I think I’m uniquely qualified to speak to this issue. No, Russia is not your friend. Russia doesn’t have friends, it has interests (as they see it). Russia is pointing thousands of nukes at you and could obliterate you at any moment. That’s not how friends behave towards friends. The UK’s nukes are not pointed at the USA, nor is France’s.

    Russia is not the white supremacist holy land that many white nationalists have idealized it to be. The Soviet Union officially stood against racist white colonialist oppression in the developing world. In many ways, Russia has taken up that mantle. They’ve deployed their UN Security Council veto in favor of Zimbabwe, for example.

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    I'll choose my own friends, thanks. Your depiction of the people who were (you say) chanting about Russia came directly from the DNC's talking points. You're "uniquely qualified" only in your own life story, as anyone is. Claiming a unique qualification to comment on Russia just makes you a fool, appealing to an authority that doesn't exist outside your own mind.

    I'm not a member of any alt-right and I don't have any desire for a white nation, but I can spot someone grinding an axe and being deceitful while doing so. That's what you're doing here and you need to understand that this isn't Stormfront.


    "The Soviet Union officially stood against racist white colonialist oppression in the developing world. In many ways, Russia has taken up that mantle. They’ve deployed their UN Security Council veto in favor of Zimbabwe, for example."

    Well, bully for Russia. You haven't busted any bubble for me by telling me that, though you certainly managed to sound like a communist. Congratulations.
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  124. KenH says:
    @Okechukwu

    LOL. No, Alt Right made some gains precisely because it offered an alternative to both GOP Inc(servile to Neocons and corporations) and the Neo-Nazi skinhead type(usually pushed by media as face of the ‘far right’).
     
    They didn't actually make any gains. They had a committed core of Internet trolls, who through their trolling, conveyed a false sense of their numbers and influence. The Internet tends to distort reality and probably convinced alt-right honchos of a momentum they never had. But when they laid down their keyboards and tried to engage in physical space, we all saw what happened. Often times they were outnumbered 5,000 to 1.

    The alt-right, from its inception, was a Neo-Nazi movement. It wasn't a hard right movement. It wasn't a re-imagining of conservative thought. It was racialism and white supremacism pure and simple. When you start off talking about ethnostates and ethnic cleansing, that can't be characterized as any ideology right or left. It's simply fascism with insurrectionist, totalitarian aspirations.

    This is why Spencer and Enoch protested the bombing of Syria. No more white guys fighting wars for Israel. It said NO to White Submissivism.
     
    I think their masters in Moscow had alot to do with that. Notice they didn't object to any other US intervention, just the one Russia was vehemently against. On some levels, the alt-right is a Russian intelligence op. I mean they were chanting "Russia is our friend" in Charlottesville.

    If anything, Alt Right would have made much bigger gains by sending a message that it has NO ties to the KKK neo-nazi elements always hyped by MSM.
     
    They can't. Their membership and supporters are composed almost exclusively of those elements.

    You realize MSM now calls even moderate nationalist the ‘far right’. It used to be one had to be a skinhead or neo-nazi to be ‘far right’. Today, ANY European who wants to preserve his nation for his own folks is ‘far right’.
     
    Nope. People who advocate for sensible immigration policies are not considered far right. There are members of congress who want to reduce even legal immigration and they're not described as far right. Far rightists go beyond that sort of advocacy in ways that can only be described as extreme and hateful.

    Given the rise of white identity all across EU and US, Alt Right really had a chance.
     
    White identity is incompatible with American values. So it will never gain any currency here. In Europe, identity is informed by tribal and nationalistic affinities and not by some universal whiteness. On a certain level, the Germans hate the Dutch and vice versa, and they're both white. In the UK, there's great disquiet about the influx of Poles, and their both white. There are many other examples.

    But if Spencer wants to lead a serious movement, he needs to form a wall that clearly says what is or isn’t the Alt Right. ‘The world is built on a wall’.
     
    Both Spencer and Enoch are clownish figures who couldn't lead their way out of a paper bag. But ultimately, the problem is with ideology and not with leadership or organization or optics. The alt-right, like all white supremacist movements before them, are trying to claim white victimhood in a society overwhelmingly dominated by white people -- where white people have abundant privilege that non-whites can only dream about. It was a battle they were bound to lose simply on the basis of not having a legitimate cause.

    You seem to have an African name. Are you in the West? If so, why are you a White Preferist? Why did you leave your own nation and your people/culture to live in white-made and white-run nations? Do you believe whites do everything better? Why you ‘racist’!
     
    I'm in America, which the nation of my birth. I had no say in the matter. But why are you in America? And why are whites in Africa? We could ask ourselves these silly questions all day long.

    They didn’t actually make any gains. They had a committed core of Internet trolls, who through their trolling, conveyed a false sense of their numbers and influence.

    You’re no authority on the matter. For not making any gains the alt-right forced Paul Ryan, Hillary Clinton and many other politicians and eventually, Donald Trump to acknowledge their existence long before Charlottesville. The alt-right was and is living rent free in the heads of many leftists and anti-white bigots like you who fear an uprising of racially aware whites and threat to the established order of Jewish and non-white privilege that it represents. Because if that ever happens the good life that black skin privilege has afforded you is over and you know it.

    The alt-right, from its inception, was a Neo-Nazi movement.

    No, some admire the national socialist ideology while many others do not or are neutral on the subject. There’s a diversity of thought and opinion within the alt-right movement and perhaps too much which is why we still can’t agree on very much. You just read a couple of articles over at The Root and crowned yourself and expert on the alt-right. The only black person who actually understands the phenomenon of the alt-right and writes and speak about in a fair, balanced and intellectual manner is professor Carol Swain.

    I think their masters in Moscow had alot to do with that. Notice they didn’t object to any other US intervention, just the one Russia was vehemently against.

    This is the musings of an MSNBC tard. Joy Reid is probably your fav. If the alt-right has masters in Moscow they have nothing to show for it in the way of financial and moral support. Many on the left and the right were opposed to the cruise missile strike in Syria. Are they all Putin stooges? Are you, Obama, Al Sharpton and BLM the only clear eyed patriots in this nation?

    White identity is incompatible with American values. So it will never gain any currency here.

    Neither is black identity so why are you a black supremacist? But if white identity is incompatible with American values then how come you blacks and loony leftists lecture us all the time on how America was born in white supremacy and oppression of the innocent black man and how American history is one long record of white supremacy? You can’t have your cake and eat it, too, so you need to make up your minds instead of talking out of both sides of your mouths.

    Both Spencer and Enoch are clownish figures who couldn’t lead their way out of a paper bag.

    Then so is Deray Mckesson and the rest of the BLM buffoons and Mad Maxine Waters who confirms the stereotype about blacks every time she opens her big mouth. Jewish media, influence and money props these morons up far beyond their natural ability so long as they direct their racial hostility towards whitey and not the Jews. If it wasn’t for that the BLM people would be reduced to begging for change on the city streets and Waters would be a welfare queen unable to afford a James Brown wig.

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  125. AaronB says:
    @Mark Presco
    AaronB, I may have been a little harsh and I think you mean well, but this sounds like leftist postmodernism. Kant argued that the human mind cannot understand, nor even perceive reality correctly. Therefore, the human mind should dictate reality. It’ absurd. It is all about what you feel.
    Is this where you are coming from?

    You can listen to an audiobook Explaining Postmodernism narrated by the author here:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQcNjHNXnEE

    No, rather the opposite perspective. It’s true that everything we see is a dream and an illusion, but that does not mean there is no reality out there or that we can wake up from the dream or construct our own reality .

    What it does mean is that the categories of our mind should not be taken very seriously. To elevate realism and logic to a preeminent position and think the dream image it shows is anything more than a useful illusion that may help in some circumstances is to give the human mind a power that kant showed itt does not and cannot have (Darwin showed the same thing – but our culture is anything but consistent)

    Taking logic very seriously is the belief that our minds are the final arbiters of reality – the idea that just because our logic can’t see it isn’t real – when Kant showed how limited our logic is – is to believe that our minds can actually construct reality. It is insane self-worship.

    When you accept logic is a limited tool and does not actually give you access to reality, you can interact with an essentially unknowable reality in other ways that are just as essential to human well being.

    In other words, nothing we see is finally real – not logic, nor anything else. They are all useful tools to navigate an essentially unknowable reality by beings that are trapped in mystery. When used as tools, they can be helpful. When one tool is taken to give access to reality, then all other useful tools will be discarded even though they may be essential to our flourishing.

    I am not suggesting we replace logical beliefs with non rational beliefs – I am saying we should get rid of beliefs altogether and realize all our concepts and ways of of dealing with the world are tools and that the precise way therefore ultimate reality cannot be known by us.

    This way, you can allow unknowable reality to interact with your cognitive structure in all the rich and manifold ways it is capable of including imagination and poetry and emotion and hints and vague suggestions that constitute helpful hints to navigate life without ever thinking that what you perceive is anything other than an echo of an unknowable reality. By privileging logic above all else, you restrict your cognitive range and turn a rich contact with an unknowable reality into a narrow and sterile one. You cut off connection with mystery – which simply means you cut off contact with all sources of experience and all ways of navigating the world that cannot be understood by one narrow piece of cognitive apparatus.

    Sorry if none this makes sense. Perhaps it’s not meant to :)

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    Mark presco, seriously, stop trying to understand. The final result of philosophy is to show us that the human mind is not equipped to understand reality,as Kant showed and as Indian philosophers did long before. Philosophy cannot give you a new idea - all it can finally do is liberate you from taking ideas seriously, least of all logic. But our culture has not learned the lesson , even though Darwin showed as evolved animals our minds cannot possibly show us truth but only useful fictions, a gloss on an unknowable reality.

    Once you've reached the end of philosophy, you can step into a richer and fuller mode of being than mere logical understanding, and while you use logic as a tool for mastering technology for instance, you view it rather playfully and never allow it to cut off contact with all the rich sources of your experience or imagine that it actually gives access to reality and is the only useful too for human flourishing. You are no longer a child.

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  126. AaronB says:
    @AaronB
    No, rather the opposite perspective. It's true that everything we see is a dream and an illusion, but that does not mean there is no reality out there or that we can wake up from the dream or construct our own reality .

    What it does mean is that the categories of our mind should not be taken very seriously. To elevate realism and logic to a preeminent position and think the dream image it shows is anything more than a useful illusion that may help in some circumstances is to give the human mind a power that kant showed itt does not and cannot have (Darwin showed the same thing - but our culture is anything but consistent)

    Taking logic very seriously is the belief that our minds are the final arbiters of reality - the idea that just because our logic can't see it isn't real - when Kant showed how limited our logic is - is to believe that our minds can actually construct reality. It is insane self-worship.

    When you accept logic is a limited tool and does not actually give you access to reality, you can interact with an essentially unknowable reality in other ways that are just as essential to human well being.

    In other words, nothing we see is finally real - not logic, nor anything else. They are all useful tools to navigate an essentially unknowable reality by beings that are trapped in mystery. When used as tools, they can be helpful. When one tool is taken to give access to reality, then all other useful tools will be discarded even though they may be essential to our flourishing.

    I am not suggesting we replace logical beliefs with non rational beliefs - I am saying we should get rid of beliefs altogether and realize all our concepts and ways of of dealing with the world are tools and that the precise way therefore ultimate reality cannot be known by us.

    This way, you can allow unknowable reality to interact with your cognitive structure in all the rich and manifold ways it is capable of including imagination and poetry and emotion and hints and vague suggestions that constitute helpful hints to navigate life without ever thinking that what you perceive is anything other than an echo of an unknowable reality. By privileging logic above all else, you restrict your cognitive range and turn a rich contact with an unknowable reality into a narrow and sterile one. You cut off connection with mystery - which simply means you cut off contact with all sources of experience and all ways of navigating the world that cannot be understood by one narrow piece of cognitive apparatus.

    Sorry if none this makes sense. Perhaps it's not meant to :)

    Mark presco, seriously, stop trying to understand. The final result of philosophy is to show us that the human mind is not equipped to understand reality,as Kant showed and as Indian philosophers did long before. Philosophy cannot give you a new idea – all it can finally do is liberate you from taking ideas seriously, least of all logic. But our culture has not learned the lesson , even though Darwin showed as evolved animals our minds cannot possibly show us truth but only useful fictions, a gloss on an unknowable reality.

    Once you’ve reached the end of philosophy, you can step into a richer and fuller mode of being than mere logical understanding, and while you use logic as a tool for mastering technology for instance, you view it rather playfully and never allow it to cut off contact with all the rich sources of your experience or imagine that it actually gives access to reality and is the only useful too for human flourishing. You are no longer a child.

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  127. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says:
    @Okechukwu

    LOL. No, Alt Right made some gains precisely because it offered an alternative to both GOP Inc(servile to Neocons and corporations) and the Neo-Nazi skinhead type(usually pushed by media as face of the ‘far right’).
     
    They didn't actually make any gains. They had a committed core of Internet trolls, who through their trolling, conveyed a false sense of their numbers and influence. The Internet tends to distort reality and probably convinced alt-right honchos of a momentum they never had. But when they laid down their keyboards and tried to engage in physical space, we all saw what happened. Often times they were outnumbered 5,000 to 1.

    The alt-right, from its inception, was a Neo-Nazi movement. It wasn't a hard right movement. It wasn't a re-imagining of conservative thought. It was racialism and white supremacism pure and simple. When you start off talking about ethnostates and ethnic cleansing, that can't be characterized as any ideology right or left. It's simply fascism with insurrectionist, totalitarian aspirations.

    This is why Spencer and Enoch protested the bombing of Syria. No more white guys fighting wars for Israel. It said NO to White Submissivism.
     
    I think their masters in Moscow had alot to do with that. Notice they didn't object to any other US intervention, just the one Russia was vehemently against. On some levels, the alt-right is a Russian intelligence op. I mean they were chanting "Russia is our friend" in Charlottesville.

    If anything, Alt Right would have made much bigger gains by sending a message that it has NO ties to the KKK neo-nazi elements always hyped by MSM.
     
    They can't. Their membership and supporters are composed almost exclusively of those elements.

    You realize MSM now calls even moderate nationalist the ‘far right’. It used to be one had to be a skinhead or neo-nazi to be ‘far right’. Today, ANY European who wants to preserve his nation for his own folks is ‘far right’.
     
    Nope. People who advocate for sensible immigration policies are not considered far right. There are members of congress who want to reduce even legal immigration and they're not described as far right. Far rightists go beyond that sort of advocacy in ways that can only be described as extreme and hateful.

    Given the rise of white identity all across EU and US, Alt Right really had a chance.
     
    White identity is incompatible with American values. So it will never gain any currency here. In Europe, identity is informed by tribal and nationalistic affinities and not by some universal whiteness. On a certain level, the Germans hate the Dutch and vice versa, and they're both white. In the UK, there's great disquiet about the influx of Poles, and their both white. There are many other examples.

    But if Spencer wants to lead a serious movement, he needs to form a wall that clearly says what is or isn’t the Alt Right. ‘The world is built on a wall’.
     
    Both Spencer and Enoch are clownish figures who couldn't lead their way out of a paper bag. But ultimately, the problem is with ideology and not with leadership or organization or optics. The alt-right, like all white supremacist movements before them, are trying to claim white victimhood in a society overwhelmingly dominated by white people -- where white people have abundant privilege that non-whites can only dream about. It was a battle they were bound to lose simply on the basis of not having a legitimate cause.

    You seem to have an African name. Are you in the West? If so, why are you a White Preferist? Why did you leave your own nation and your people/culture to live in white-made and white-run nations? Do you believe whites do everything better? Why you ‘racist’!
     
    I'm in America, which the nation of my birth. I had no say in the matter. But why are you in America? And why are whites in Africa? We could ask ourselves these silly questions all day long.

    “They didn’t actually make any gains. They had a committed core of Internet trolls, who through their trolling, conveyed a false sense of their numbers and influence. “

    If Alt Right is just a nothinghippoburger, why did the Power muster all its resources to shut it down? I agree that the Alt Right numbers was exaggerated from the beginning. But Alt Right was not about numbers. It was about the message. It was a new right that wasn’t slavish to Israel and Free Trade orthodoxy. It was willing to engage with the Jewish Question which even some Jews are engaging with(though from another perspective) because it’s a power that has to addressed.

    There was no danger of Alt Right creating a vast army to take over America or even win elections. But it did threaten the Narrative. Also, if Alt Right is just a bunch of internet trolls, the Power would be far less alarmed. The fact is there is also a core of serious people who deal with real issues.

    Alt Right benefited from a perfect storm. Trump ran on themes that were closer to Alt Right positions than to Conservative Inc. So, AR rode the Trump Wave. Also, the media and Democrats tried to use Alt Right against Trump. They tried to make Alt Right the new neo-nazis and KKK, but it only boosted their notoriety, not least because Alt Right fashy stuff was ironic and funny.

    But when the movement was on the verge of breaking through at Charlottesville, the power used all its muscle to shut it down. So, whether you are right or wrong about the Alt Right, what is certain is that the Power was scared and violated Constitutional rights of Alt Right people to shut down the movement.

    That said, Spencer extended his hand to too many unsavory types who really are neo-nazi morons. That was a big mistake.

    “The alt-right, from its inception, was a Neo-Nazi movement. It wasn’t a hard right movement. It wasn’t a re-imagining of conservative thought. It was racialism and white supremacism pure and simple. When you start off talking about ethnostates and ethnic cleansing, that can’t be characterized as any ideology right or left. It’s simply fascism with insurrectionist, totalitarian aspirations.”

    LOL. I’m a race-ist but anti-Nazi. There are plenty of people like Ramzpaul who are ‘race realists’ and don’t go for neo-nazi stuff. You’re just PC in conflating anything related to White Identity with ‘neo-nazi’. I suppose that makes Jewish nationalists a bunch of ‘neo-nazis’ too. And black nationalists in Africa are a bunch of Black Nazis. That is just dumb.

    As for ethno-states, that has been the dream of anti-imperialists. Ethno-nationalism is about wanting to be free from the Empire. Vietnamese fought for their ethno-state. Algerians kicked out the French. Africans kicked out Brits and French and Belgians. Currently, Europe is being invaded by black demographic imperialists like you who’ve messed up their own nations.

    As for ‘ethnic-cleansing’, mass immigration or mass invasion IS ethnic-cleansing. Mass immigration of Zionists led to ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. Mass migration of Albanians led to ethnic-cleansing of Serbians from Kosovo. What the Alt Right is calling for is COUNTER-ETHNIC-CLEANSING against mass invaders who mess up their own nations and then try to take over white or richer nations. YOUR kind are demographic ethnic cleansers. You want to invade and demographically take over other nations because (1) you have too many babies in your own nation (2) and your kind turned your own nations to crap. Also, you come to white lands and beat up weaker white guys and demand ‘where da white woman at?’ You want to reduce white men into cucky-wuck ‘white boys’ and colonize white wombs to make black babies.

    Is Alt Right fascist. That’s good because fascism is the greatest ideology of the 20th century. It was ruined by the egotism of Mussolini and Hitler, but Ataturk showed a way by which fascism can be humanist and nationalist(than imperialist and megalomanical). Neo-fascism is a creative fusion of left and right. We need both.

    I think their masters in Moscow had alot to do with that.

    Their masters? Shiite! So, you are a troll!! You’re not even an African but some white guy pretending to be some spear-chucker at hippos. Okay, but I’ll play along as if you be what you claim to be.

    Nope. People who advocate for sensible immigration policies are not considered far right. There are members of congress who want to reduce even legal immigration and they’re not described as far right.

    What is ‘sensible’ immigration policy? You mean Paul Ryan and John McCain?
    Trump has been called ‘literally hitler’. NYT foams at the mouth about him. We are told illegals are ‘dreamers’. We are told deporting illegals is like rounding up Jews during WWII. ROTFL.
    In Europe, it’s worse. Even calling for end to immigration is called ‘far right’.
    I hope you chuck spears better than you chuck answers.

    White identity is incompatible with American values. So it will never gain any currency here.

    No, it was perfectly compatible with American values before globalists took over the US. America could not have been possible without whites removing Indians. Whites didn’t culturally and racially merge with Indians but replaced Indians with explicitly white civilization. Also, whites had to keep blacks under control because blacks are stronger, more aggressive, wilder, and stuff. So, America developed as an extension of European Civilization because whites expelled Indians from most lands and because whites made sure blacks didn’t get to acting too wild and ugabuga.
    It is when whites lost control of America and abandoned race-ism that the US began to go to pot. Now, mass invasion is turning white folks into New Indians because the Third World mobs come and take stuff from whites. If whites came to a wilderness and built a civilization, non-whites come from their messed-up nations(messed up because there are too many morons like themselves) and leech off what white folks built.
    As for blacks, ever since they were allowed to run free, they turned cities like Detroit, Baltimore, S. Louis, South Side of Chicago, and etc. Blacks got the bongo gene that is bad for civilization.

    The alt-right, like all white supremacist movements before them, are trying to claim white victimhood in a society overwhelmingly dominated by white people

    No, Alt Right is not about white victimhood. Victimhood is about ‘gimme, gimme, gimme’, something blacks say all the time. Alt Right is not asking for freebies and goodies. They are saying white people should free themselves from Jewish supremacism and ‘white guilt’. Alt Right isn’t asking non-whites or Jews to favor whites or feel sorry for them. It is saying white people should care about their own kind and forge their own destiny.
    It’s the blacks who be saying, ‘gots to have me dat, so gimme gimme gimme’. It’s the Jews who are saying, “you gentiles gotta give us holocaust money forever and fight wars for Israel’. Alt Right is only saying, let whitey be whitey, and let other peoples do their own things.

    Alt Right is white centrist. It says whites should care about their identity and interests. Alt Right is not asking for help or freebies from the likes of you. No, your kind is the one who is saying, ‘white man, you gotta gimme gimme gimme’.

    Also, while it’s true that most of the successful people in America are white, they don’t care about white people, culture, or identity. Bill Gates and Tim Cook don’t give a crap about whites. They only care about profits and sucking up to the Top Power, that of Jewish globalists. Your argument is built on a fallacy. You seem to think that presence of lots of rich whites means pro-white power among the rich. Not so. Most white elites are only into themselves. And many of them use their money to fund organizations that hurt whites.

    Even under British Imperialism, there were many rich native Indians. But as collaborators with the British Empire, they didn’t do diddly for their own national kin. They were just in it for themselves.

    I’m in America, which the nation of my birth. I had no say in the matter. But why are you in America? And why are whites in Africa? We could ask ourselves these silly questions all day long.

    But why did your African parents leave their own people/nation and decide to move to a nation founded and built by whites? Why did they decide to have their kids in a white-built nation than in their own nation? And if you’re into African identity, why don’t you go back to Africa? We know why,and there is a recognizable pattern.
    White people do things better, and blacks want to leech off whites. It’s the same with Meso-Americans, Muslims, Asians, Hindus, and etc. They are all leaving their own nations to leech off whitey. Blacks don’t want to move to black nations but to white ones.
    US may be the nation of your birth, but it came into being as a reality long before your kind came here.

    Now, I feel silly because you are mostly likely a white troll pretending to be African. I mean NO ONE can believe Spencer and Enoch are taking orders from Russia. LOL.

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    If Alt Right is just a nothinghippoburger, why did the Power muster all its resources to shut it down?
     
    I'd contest the degree to which "the power" targeted the alt-right. So far the authorities have been playing footie which them as their members and sympathizers cause havoc and murder people. But that's soon to change. Nevertheless, the world learned to excise this kind of cancer quickly before it metastasizes. Hitler started out with just a few guys.

    Also, if Alt Right is just a bunch of internet trolls, the Power would be far less alarmed. The fact is there is also a core of serious people who deal with real issues.
     
    The alt right are Internet trolls and so are you. We all know you wouldn't say the shit you say here in the real world under your real identity. Virtually 100% of Unz posters fall into the same category. We know the alt right is an almost exclusively Internet phenomenon by virtue of the minuscule numbers that show up at their events. If what they and you are offering is so seductive and so universally attractive, why do you hide?

    There was no danger of Alt Right creating a vast army to take over America or even win elections.
     
    You are correct there.

    But when the movement was on the verge of breaking through at Charlottesville, the power used all its muscle to shut it down.
     
    Break through how? Do you really think an organization that preaches overt white supremacy, naked racism, expulsion of non-whites, the dismemberment of the United States, ethnic cleasing and genocide is ever going to break through? Maybe you should adjust your meds.

    It wasn't that the powers that be shut down the alt right, it was that the alt right tried to transition their hate-mongering from the Internet onto the streets. Ordinary (mostly white) people shut them down, not some vast government action.


    LOL. I’m a race-ist but anti-Nazi. There are plenty of people like Ramzpaul who are ‘race realists’ and don’t go for neo-nazi stuff.
     
    Race realism is a laughable pseudoscience.

    You’re just PC in conflating anything related to White Identity with ‘neo-nazi’.
     
    But white identity is a racist, Neo-Nazi ideology. If you'll notice all white identitarians are racists and Neo-Nazis. So you ought to blame yourselves rather than those who are characterizing you accurately based on your words and deeds.

    No one begrudges the legitimate exercise of white ethic identity. We all love St. Patrick's day and other ethnic white traditions and festivals. No one cries racism when the Irish, Italians, Russians or even the British bask in their unique ethnic heritage. Because those celebrations and traditions aren't tied up with hatred and white supremacy in the way a nebulous white identity is.


    I suppose that makes Jewish nationalists a bunch of ‘neo-nazis’ too. And black nationalists in Africa are a bunch of Black Nazis. That is just dumb.
     
    Jews have been persecuted throughout history. The persecuted embrace nationalism as a defense and coping mechanism. In much the same way there is Irish and Scottish nationalism vis-a-vis England.

    The only black nationalism in Africa took root in those places where minority white regimes terrorized and exploited the people. Otherwise black nationalism doesn't exist in Africa. Africans have no real consciousness of being black or being part of some black bloc. They would only develop those sensibilities if they immigrate to the US, for example.


    As for ethno-states, that has been the dream of anti-imperialists. Ethno-nationalism is about wanting to be free from the Empire. Vietnamese fought for their ethno-state. Algerians kicked out the French. Africans kicked out Brits and French and Belgians. Currently, Europe is being invaded by black demographic imperialists like you who’ve messed up their own nations.
     
    An ahistorical, noncontextual and oversimplification survey of events, which is one of the prime hallmarks of those of your ideological persuasion. It's the reason you guys can't hold a serious discussion. Now, tell me, who would the Americans be fighting for their ethnostate? Who would the British fight? How about the French? Who is the established enemy that these countries have to fight in order to establish their ethnostates? The absurdity of the proposition should dawn on you if you ever ponder that question honestly.

    YOUR kind are demographic ethnic cleansers. You want to invade and demographically take over other nations because (1) you have too many babies in your own nation (2) and your kind turned your own nations to crap.
     
    Now isn't this rich? A beneficiary of of a legacy of real (as distinct from imagined) ethnic cleansing is accusing me of ethnic cleansing. Do you realize that there are more Europeans outside of Europe than in it. They are the only continental population with that distinction. They did not arrive like my parents -- dutifully obeying all the rules and all the laws, being granted permission to enter. No. They entered by force, guns blazing, often killing anything that moved, conducting real, tangible, actual ethnic cleansing.

    Also, you come to white lands and beat up weaker white guys and demand ‘where da white woman at?’ You want to reduce white men into cucky-wuck ‘white boys’ and colonize white wombs to make black babies.
     
    Haha. You have some funny material. Actually, I've been fucking white girls and women most of my life. Guess what, they wanted me more than I wanted them. What are you going to do about it? Why not worry about your own bedroom and your own probable erectile dysfunction?

    Their masters? Shiite! So, you are a troll!! You’re not even an African but some white guy pretending to be some spear-chucker at hippos. Okay, but I’ll play along as if you be what you claim to be.
     
    Russia supports and finances all sorts of fringe movements in the US, dummy. Don't take my word for it, look it up. They set up fake black nationalist organizations and fake gun rights organizations. Their goal is to create chaos. It's not out of the question that Russia created the alt right and/or directs its activities.

    What is ‘sensible’ immigration policy? You mean Paul Ryan and John McCain?
     
    Yes. We need immigration. My wife works in science lab. Virtually all here colleagues are foreign born like herself. You see, Americans want the easy hit and quick money. Who's going to do the critical work that Americans are either too lazy or too greedy to do? In fact we even need illegal immigration because I don't see your type willing to pick lettuce or scrub toilets.

    No, it was perfectly compatible with American values before globalists took over the US.
     
    Nope. America was always a conglomeration of different traditions: poly-European, African, Native American and Hispanic. I bet there are Spanish or Native American street names and other influences throughout your city.

    Also, whites had to keep blacks under control because blacks are stronger, more aggressive, wilder, and stuff.
     
    You are in the grip of 19th century pseudo-"science."

    As for blacks, ever since they were allowed to run free, they turned cities like Detroit, Baltimore, S. Louis, South Side of Chicago, and etc. Blacks got the bongo gene that is bad for civilization.
     
    This is some serious trolling. See, you people got into trouble when you abandoned your keyboards and echo-chambers and tried to take this kind of nonsense into the street. By all means, stay anonymous and stick to your keyboard. Don't let it out of your sight. Don't even think about leaving your house with this shit.

    No, Alt Right is not about white victimhood.
     
    Yes it is. The alt-right are grievance mongers and losers. Imagine being white in America (or anywhere in the world because there's even white privilege in non-white countries) and having everything teed up for you and still failing miserably. That's what's at the root of their angst and their frustration. They know they have every advantage by virtue of being white. Yet they see people like me not similarly advantaged who are lapping them, outperforming them, more successful than them. So they lash out. I'm the son of immigrants who came here with virtually nothing. I competed against white people whose families had built up wealth and resources for generations, people whose white skin gave them instant access to a vast range of opportunities, and I came out on top.

    Also, while it’s true that most of the successful people in America are white, they don’t care about white people, culture, or identity. Bill Gates and Tim Cook don’t give a crap about whites.
     
    In other words, they don't think like you. They have to be racist scumbags to be white in your eyes. Well, I'm afraid your criteria for being white represents too heavy a burden for any intelligent, decent and rational white person to bear. So of course you will continue to fail and fail and fail.

    But why did your African parents leave their own people/nation and decide to move to a nation founded and built by whites?
     
    Why did your people come to America? If whites have a magic wand that makes everything wonderful, why couldn't they make it work in Europe, which was REALLY built by whites, unlike America.

    And if you’re into African identity, why don’t you go back to Africa? We know why,and there is a recognizable pattern.
     
    Think for a moment. How am I going to have an African identity having been born and raised in America. Do you have a Polish or Irish identity?

    White people do things better, and blacks want to leech off whites.
     
    Yet it's whites that have been leeching off blacks for hundreds of years.

    White people do some things well and other things terribly. In the last few hundred years white people became very technologically oriented and they developed some great technology. But no greater than those that came before them without whose influence they might still be dumping feces out of windows and going lifetimes without ever bathing. Conversely, white people have been a deeply exploitative, genocidal and ruinous force that has decimated entire continents, including Europe itself.

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  128. wayfarer says:
    @AaronB

    It seems too much mathematical work and logical reasoning with the mind, will impede one’s artistic nature, whether that be an unchecked sense of humor, creative writing, etc. At least that’s been my experience.
     
    Darwin said by the end of his life he had lost the ability to perceive beauty or enjoy poetry, and John Stuart Mill who had an extremely strict scientific education collapsed into a depression from which he recovered only by reading the poetry of Wordsworth.

    It's over, man. It was our fate to be born in the last senile days of a dying civilization. In the few years I've been writing here I think a tiny handful of people even understood what I was saying, and most were non white and non American.

    The best thing to do is disengage from American and maybe even European culture - I've searched, but I couldn't find anything to save. Imaginatively connect to other cultures through art and literature and mentally live among them - we are drastically influenced by the "hive mind" of whatever group we emotionally identify with. It's imperative that every sane person emotionally distance himself from Americans. Luckily, even Netflix has growing selection of foreign programming - starting around 2012, have you noticed that American television has been glorifying psychopaths? It's disturbing. No sane person can watch American TV.

    In a few years, I will no longer live in America - and thank god I have a decent social circle in the meantime.

    Enjoy the Arizona desert!

    There’s no fixing this broken world, not single-handedly at least. God knows, you for one have tried. But alas alt-consciousness, sadly never sold.

    It now appears as if we’re headed for Atlantis 2.0 (i.e. “part deux!”). After which, mother nature will get her long long deserved break, from the scourge of an indifferent mankind.

    Too bad people didn’t get it this time around. Of course, there’s always the next 27,000 year cycle, with all of the countless human incarnations, which come with that.

    source: http://www.lunarplanner.com/HolyCross.html

    Seemingly at the eleventh-hour of humanity, one has to wonder what might have been the fix? Certainly wasn’t government and/or religion as our history had experienced it.

    In retrospect it may had been wise to have applied a “fail-fast” systems design theory. But instead we get weaponized plastic technologies, grim humorless AI, and poker-faced robots to usher us out.

    source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fail-fast

    In the end times, it’s going to be a pirate’s good life for me. I’ve a hunch you may be a fellow pirate as well. And if that is the case, enjoy the impending sea-ventures and salty-dreams that lay ahead, mate!

    …..

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    There’s no fixing this broken world, not single-handedly at least. God knows, you for one have tried. But alas alt-consciousness, sadly never sold.

    It now appears as if we’re headed for Atlantis 2.0 (i.e. “part deux!”). After which, mother nature will get her long long deserved break, from the scourge of an indifferent mankind.

    Too bad people didn’t get it this time around. Of course, there’s always the next 27,000 year cycle, with all of the countless human incarnations, which come with
     
    There is no reason to be despondent. There exists the illusion that the world is standing still and that things will always be as they were, with slight differences here and there.
    People see what they think is wrong, and try to correct it. Some pray, others legislate and still others invade. Armed or unarmed.
    The world is not broken. What is today, is the result of what was yesterday. Today will become tomorrow. Just as it has for the last umpteen years. There will be survivors and there will be those who do not survive.

    When a meteor crashed into the earth and turned out the lights for the dinosaurs, life did not cease to exist, although that was a possibility. It evolved. And so long as the earth occupies the Goldilocks zone, life will continue on the earth.
    , @AaronB
    See you in the next Kalpa :)

    In the meantime, the life of a water pirate sounds pretty awesome.
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  129. @Okechukwu

    That’s what I was waiting to read in your increasingly shrill comments against the alt-right. You’re showing your true colors now, so please just keep it up, so that anybody reading here can see what you’re doing. You can’t state with any accuracy who was chanting the line about Russia. Seeing Russia as a potential friend is a positive ideal, not treason or sedition, as you’re trying to imply.
     
    As someone who genuinely likes Russia and has consumed more Russian books and films than 99% of the alt right, I think I'm uniquely qualified to speak to this issue. No, Russia is not your friend. Russia doesn't have friends, it has interests (as they see it). Russia is pointing thousands of nukes at you and could obliterate you at any moment. That's not how friends behave towards friends. The UK's nukes are not pointed at the USA, nor is France's.

    Russia is not the white supremacist holy land that many white nationalists have idealized it to be. The Soviet Union officially stood against racist white colonialist oppression in the developing world. In many ways, Russia has taken up that mantle. They've deployed their UN Security Council veto in favor of Zimbabwe, for example.

    I’ll choose my own friends, thanks. Your depiction of the people who were (you say) chanting about Russia came directly from the DNC’s talking points. You’re “uniquely qualified” only in your own life story, as anyone is. Claiming a unique qualification to comment on Russia just makes you a fool, appealing to an authority that doesn’t exist outside your own mind.

    I’m not a member of any alt-right and I don’t have any desire for a white nation, but I can spot someone grinding an axe and being deceitful while doing so. That’s what you’re doing here and you need to understand that this isn’t Stormfront.

    “The Soviet Union officially stood against racist white colonialist oppression in the developing world. In many ways, Russia has taken up that mantle. They’ve deployed their UN Security Council veto in favor of Zimbabwe, for example.”

    Well, bully for Russia. You haven’t busted any bubble for me by telling me that, though you certainly managed to sound like a communist. Congratulations.

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  130. @Anonymous
    You're wrong. Spencer's goal of a "Whites-only" nation-state was always going to fail. Dead on arrival in the United States.

    Spencer and these other White supremacists mistook Trump's success for their own. It was Trumpist nationalism that energized people in 2015-2016. And it was Trumpism that won. Spencer--with an assist from the mainstream media--hijacked the movement.

    “… It was Trumpist nationalism that energized people in 2015-2016. “

    Believe me, the Whites with skin in this game are underwhelmed by the jewy idiotic machinations of Trump and the maloderous efforts of all our “public service “ moron/ traitors in DC – with their not so thinly veiled attempts at a bureaucratic coup d’etat.

    My prediction is the maul/rt. will be “de- energized”come midterms and the retardicans will be taken to the woodshed …

    As l have said before, the only recourse is a heeping serving of hot lead “go fuck yourselves.”

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  131. @Anon
    My main issue with Neo-Nazis isn't strategic. I find them morally repulsive.

    It's one thing to take a critical look at NS and see some good and promising things in it.

    But taken as a whole, it was a disaster. And even more frightening, if Germans had won in Russia, it would led to the greatest horror to ever befall mankind.

    One has to be a psycho to defend Nazi garbage.

    I'm not punching right. I'm punching wrong.

    The wrong must be punched. Also, the truth isn't between left and right but in the useful combination of both. That was the promise of fascism, but Mussolini and Hitler really flushed it down the toilet.

    Hitler and Jalmer Schact nationalized Germany’s Jewish Wall Street central bank . For this effrontery, Churchill/ Roosevelt and Co. were willing to enslave half the world as compensation to their Soviet communist partners.

    So instead of the rectitude of the 3rd Reich… you, and all of your institutions have been drowned in the vomit of (((cultural Marxism))).

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  132. @Steve Gittelson

    “Anti-Christendom whites” is a good use of terminology that points out the real division among people who self identify or are identified by government as white. I’ve seen quite a few commenters on various sites who identify themselves as white and also say that they are atheist or otherwise hostile or indifferent to Christianity.
     
    What ignorant, idiotic prejudice! Mother of God, you fool, go to the church you prefer. Negotiate with other citizens for political oversight of society. Get your head OUT of your ass with respect to other people's beliefs. Nobody with a lick of sense gives a shit about your longing to restore Charlemagne.

    Stevie, you seem to have been triggered. i just wrote that Jake’s terminology made sense, not that I wanted “political oversight of society” (whatever that is supposed to mean). While you’re having this seizure of yours, does it occur to you that I fail to give a shit what some asshole like you thinks?

    I’ll respond to your insult by inviting you to kiss my ass. I would also kindly suggest that you go fuck yourself at your earliest convenience.

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    Stevie, you seem to have been triggered. i just wrote that Jake’s terminology made sense, not that I wanted “political oversight of society” (whatever that is supposed to mean). While you’re having this seizure of yours, does it occur to you that I fail to give a shit what some asshole like you thinks?
     
    Had you not felt that burning need to respond, I would admit that you fail to give a shit what some asshole thinks.

    But, you did. And do. And you will persist. Predictability is like that.

    For as long as you maintain the abysmally ignorant POV that "anti-Christendom whites" (speaking of championship-class strawmen) are responsible for the divisions in society, you will be just that: a stupid, prejudiced, unthinking polemicist.
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  133. @Twodees Partain
    Stevie, you seem to have been triggered. i just wrote that Jake's terminology made sense, not that I wanted "political oversight of society" (whatever that is supposed to mean). While you're having this seizure of yours, does it occur to you that I fail to give a shit what some asshole like you thinks?

    I'll respond to your insult by inviting you to kiss my ass. I would also kindly suggest that you go fuck yourself at your earliest convenience.

    Stevie, you seem to have been triggered. i just wrote that Jake’s terminology made sense, not that I wanted “political oversight of society” (whatever that is supposed to mean). While you’re having this seizure of yours, does it occur to you that I fail to give a shit what some asshole like you thinks?

    Had you not felt that burning need to respond, I would admit that you fail to give a shit what some asshole thinks.

    But, you did. And do. And you will persist. Predictability is like that.

    For as long as you maintain the abysmally ignorant POV that “anti-Christendom whites” (speaking of championship-class strawmen) are responsible for the divisions in society, you will be just that: a stupid, prejudiced, unthinking polemicist.

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  134. @wayfarer
    There's no fixing this broken world, not single-handedly at least. God knows, you for one have tried. But alas alt-consciousness, sadly never sold.

    It now appears as if we're headed for Atlantis 2.0 (i.e. “part deux!”). After which, mother nature will get her long long deserved break, from the scourge of an indifferent mankind.

    Too bad people didn't get it this time around. Of course, there's always the next 27,000 year cycle, with all of the countless human incarnations, which come with that.

    source: http://www.lunarplanner.com/HolyCross.html

    Seemingly at the eleventh-hour of humanity, one has to wonder what might have been the fix? Certainly wasn't government and/or religion as our history had experienced it.

    In retrospect it may had been wise to have applied a “fail-fast” systems design theory. But instead we get weaponized plastic technologies, grim humorless AI, and poker-faced robots to usher us out.

    source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fail-fast

    In the end times, it's going to be a pirate's good life for me. I've a hunch you may be a fellow pirate as well. And if that is the case, enjoy the impending sea-ventures and salty-dreams that lay ahead, mate!

    .....

    There’s no fixing this broken world, not single-handedly at least. God knows, you for one have tried. But alas alt-consciousness, sadly never sold.

    It now appears as if we’re headed for Atlantis 2.0 (i.e. “part deux!”). After which, mother nature will get her long long deserved break, from the scourge of an indifferent mankind.

    Too bad people didn’t get it this time around. Of course, there’s always the next 27,000 year cycle, with all of the countless human incarnations, which come with

    There is no reason to be despondent. There exists the illusion that the world is standing still and that things will always be as they were, with slight differences here and there.
    People see what they think is wrong, and try to correct it. Some pray, others legislate and still others invade. Armed or unarmed.
    The world is not broken. What is today, is the result of what was yesterday. Today will become tomorrow. Just as it has for the last umpteen years. There will be survivors and there will be those who do not survive.

    When a meteor crashed into the earth and turned out the lights for the dinosaurs, life did not cease to exist, although that was a possibility. It evolved. And so long as the earth occupies the Goldilocks zone, life will continue on the earth.

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    Still coming to terms with some apparent "cosmic truth,” that we're on an “eternal journey” of the soul.

    I mean this journey in itself has been one hell of a roller-coaster ride, can't imagine riding out more, indefinitely into eternity!

    So it's going to be the life of a cosmic pirate and highwayman, for me.

    But along the eternal way, I'll hope to make our cosmos a better place, to be.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFSA8-pxrqc
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  135. @AaronB

    It seems too much mathematical work and logical reasoning with the mind, will impede one’s artistic nature, whether that be an unchecked sense of humor, creative writing, etc. At least that’s been my experience.
     
    Darwin said by the end of his life he had lost the ability to perceive beauty or enjoy poetry, and John Stuart Mill who had an extremely strict scientific education collapsed into a depression from which he recovered only by reading the poetry of Wordsworth.

    It's over, man. It was our fate to be born in the last senile days of a dying civilization. In the few years I've been writing here I think a tiny handful of people even understood what I was saying, and most were non white and non American.

    The best thing to do is disengage from American and maybe even European culture - I've searched, but I couldn't find anything to save. Imaginatively connect to other cultures through art and literature and mentally live among them - we are drastically influenced by the "hive mind" of whatever group we emotionally identify with. It's imperative that every sane person emotionally distance himself from Americans. Luckily, even Netflix has growing selection of foreign programming - starting around 2012, have you noticed that American television has been glorifying psychopaths? It's disturbing. No sane person can watch American TV.

    In a few years, I will no longer live in America - and thank god I have a decent social circle in the meantime.

    Enjoy the Arizona desert!

    Please keep a blog if you leave Unz. I’ve enjoyed your posts and you’ve had an influence on my thinking.

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    Thank you, Daniel, that's s very nice thing to say.

    But honestly, if I started a blog, it would be about travel and travel photography and maybe some cultural analysis thrown in. I'm sick of all this futile philosophy stuff, and want to take my own advice and develop a richer and fuller mode of being and get out of my own head. Words, words, words, as Sartre said.

    We shall see...
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  136. Thomm says:

    I wrote a song for White Nationalists to rally around and adopt as their theme :

    http://www.unz.com/article/what-the-alt-right-and-regressive-left-have-in-common/#comment-2275482

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  137. Okechukwu says:
    @Anon
    "They didn’t actually make any gains. They had a committed core of Internet trolls, who through their trolling, conveyed a false sense of their numbers and influence. "

    If Alt Right is just a nothinghippoburger, why did the Power muster all its resources to shut it down? I agree that the Alt Right numbers was exaggerated from the beginning. But Alt Right was not about numbers. It was about the message. It was a new right that wasn't slavish to Israel and Free Trade orthodoxy. It was willing to engage with the Jewish Question which even some Jews are engaging with(though from another perspective) because it's a power that has to addressed.

    There was no danger of Alt Right creating a vast army to take over America or even win elections. But it did threaten the Narrative. Also, if Alt Right is just a bunch of internet trolls, the Power would be far less alarmed. The fact is there is also a core of serious people who deal with real issues.

    Alt Right benefited from a perfect storm. Trump ran on themes that were closer to Alt Right positions than to Conservative Inc. So, AR rode the Trump Wave. Also, the media and Democrats tried to use Alt Right against Trump. They tried to make Alt Right the new neo-nazis and KKK, but it only boosted their notoriety, not least because Alt Right fashy stuff was ironic and funny.

    But when the movement was on the verge of breaking through at Charlottesville, the power used all its muscle to shut it down. So, whether you are right or wrong about the Alt Right, what is certain is that the Power was scared and violated Constitutional rights of Alt Right people to shut down the movement.

    That said, Spencer extended his hand to too many unsavory types who really are neo-nazi morons. That was a big mistake.

    "The alt-right, from its inception, was a Neo-Nazi movement. It wasn’t a hard right movement. It wasn’t a re-imagining of conservative thought. It was racialism and white supremacism pure and simple. When you start off talking about ethnostates and ethnic cleansing, that can’t be characterized as any ideology right or left. It’s simply fascism with insurrectionist, totalitarian aspirations."


    LOL. I'm a race-ist but anti-Nazi. There are plenty of people like Ramzpaul who are 'race realists' and don't go for neo-nazi stuff. You're just PC in conflating anything related to White Identity with 'neo-nazi'. I suppose that makes Jewish nationalists a bunch of 'neo-nazis' too. And black nationalists in Africa are a bunch of Black Nazis. That is just dumb.

    As for ethno-states, that has been the dream of anti-imperialists. Ethno-nationalism is about wanting to be free from the Empire. Vietnamese fought for their ethno-state. Algerians kicked out the French. Africans kicked out Brits and French and Belgians. Currently, Europe is being invaded by black demographic imperialists like you who've messed up their own nations.

    As for 'ethnic-cleansing', mass immigration or mass invasion IS ethnic-cleansing. Mass immigration of Zionists led to ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. Mass migration of Albanians led to ethnic-cleansing of Serbians from Kosovo. What the Alt Right is calling for is COUNTER-ETHNIC-CLEANSING against mass invaders who mess up their own nations and then try to take over white or richer nations. YOUR kind are demographic ethnic cleansers. You want to invade and demographically take over other nations because (1) you have too many babies in your own nation (2) and your kind turned your own nations to crap. Also, you come to white lands and beat up weaker white guys and demand 'where da white woman at?' You want to reduce white men into cucky-wuck 'white boys' and colonize white wombs to make black babies.

    Is Alt Right fascist. That's good because fascism is the greatest ideology of the 20th century. It was ruined by the egotism of Mussolini and Hitler, but Ataturk showed a way by which fascism can be humanist and nationalist(than imperialist and megalomanical). Neo-fascism is a creative fusion of left and right. We need both.

    I think their masters in Moscow had alot to do with that.

    Their masters? Shiite! So, you are a troll!! You're not even an African but some white guy pretending to be some spear-chucker at hippos. Okay, but I'll play along as if you be what you claim to be.

    Nope. People who advocate for sensible immigration policies are not considered far right. There are members of congress who want to reduce even legal immigration and they’re not described as far right.

    What is 'sensible' immigration policy? You mean Paul Ryan and John McCain?
    Trump has been called 'literally hitler'. NYT foams at the mouth about him. We are told illegals are 'dreamers'. We are told deporting illegals is like rounding up Jews during WWII. ROTFL.
    In Europe, it's worse. Even calling for end to immigration is called 'far right'.
    I hope you chuck spears better than you chuck answers.

    White identity is incompatible with American values. So it will never gain any currency here.

    No, it was perfectly compatible with American values before globalists took over the US. America could not have been possible without whites removing Indians. Whites didn't culturally and racially merge with Indians but replaced Indians with explicitly white civilization. Also, whites had to keep blacks under control because blacks are stronger, more aggressive, wilder, and stuff. So, America developed as an extension of European Civilization because whites expelled Indians from most lands and because whites made sure blacks didn't get to acting too wild and ugabuga.
    It is when whites lost control of America and abandoned race-ism that the US began to go to pot. Now, mass invasion is turning white folks into New Indians because the Third World mobs come and take stuff from whites. If whites came to a wilderness and built a civilization, non-whites come from their messed-up nations(messed up because there are too many morons like themselves) and leech off what white folks built.
    As for blacks, ever since they were allowed to run free, they turned cities like Detroit, Baltimore, S. Louis, South Side of Chicago, and etc. Blacks got the bongo gene that is bad for civilization.

    The alt-right, like all white supremacist movements before them, are trying to claim white victimhood in a society overwhelmingly dominated by white people

    No, Alt Right is not about white victimhood. Victimhood is about 'gimme, gimme, gimme', something blacks say all the time. Alt Right is not asking for freebies and goodies. They are saying white people should free themselves from Jewish supremacism and 'white guilt'. Alt Right isn't asking non-whites or Jews to favor whites or feel sorry for them. It is saying white people should care about their own kind and forge their own destiny.
    It's the blacks who be saying, 'gots to have me dat, so gimme gimme gimme'. It's the Jews who are saying, "you gentiles gotta give us holocaust money forever and fight wars for Israel'. Alt Right is only saying, let whitey be whitey, and let other peoples do their own things.

    Alt Right is white centrist. It says whites should care about their identity and interests. Alt Right is not asking for help or freebies from the likes of you. No, your kind is the one who is saying, 'white man, you gotta gimme gimme gimme'.

    Also, while it's true that most of the successful people in America are white, they don't care about white people, culture, or identity. Bill Gates and Tim Cook don't give a crap about whites. They only care about profits and sucking up to the Top Power, that of Jewish globalists. Your argument is built on a fallacy. You seem to think that presence of lots of rich whites means pro-white power among the rich. Not so. Most white elites are only into themselves. And many of them use their money to fund organizations that hurt whites.

    Even under British Imperialism, there were many rich native Indians. But as collaborators with the British Empire, they didn't do diddly for their own national kin. They were just in it for themselves.

    I’m in America, which the nation of my birth. I had no say in the matter. But why are you in America? And why are whites in Africa? We could ask ourselves these silly questions all day long.

    But why did your African parents leave their own people/nation and decide to move to a nation founded and built by whites? Why did they decide to have their kids in a white-built nation than in their own nation? And if you're into African identity, why don't you go back to Africa? We know why,and there is a recognizable pattern.
    White people do things better, and blacks want to leech off whites. It's the same with Meso-Americans, Muslims, Asians, Hindus, and etc. They are all leaving their own nations to leech off whitey. Blacks don't want to move to black nations but to white ones.
    US may be the nation of your birth, but it came into being as a reality long before your kind came here.

    Now, I feel silly because you are mostly likely a white troll pretending to be African. I mean NO ONE can believe Spencer and Enoch are taking orders from Russia. LOL.

    If Alt Right is just a nothinghippoburger, why did the Power muster all its resources to shut it down?

    I’d contest the degree to which “the power” targeted the alt-right. So far the authorities have been playing footie which them as their members and sympathizers cause havoc and murder people. But that’s soon to change. Nevertheless, the world learned to excise this kind of cancer quickly before it metastasizes. Hitler started out with just a few guys.

    Also, if Alt Right is just a bunch of internet trolls, the Power would be far less alarmed. The fact is there is also a core of serious people who deal with real issues.

    The alt right are Internet trolls and so are you. We all know you wouldn’t say the shit you say here in the real world under your real identity. Virtually 100% of Unz posters fall into the same category. We know the alt right is an almost exclusively Internet phenomenon by virtue of the minuscule numbers that show up at their events. If what they and you are offering is so seductive and so universally attractive, why do you hide?

    There was no danger of Alt Right creating a vast army to take over America or even win elections.

    You are correct there.

    But when the movement was on the verge of breaking through at Charlottesville, the power used all its muscle to shut it down.

    Break through how? Do you really think an organization that preaches overt white supremacy, naked racism, expulsion of non-whites, the dismemberment of the United States, ethnic cleasing and genocide is ever going to break through? Maybe you should adjust your meds.

    It wasn’t that the powers that be shut down the alt right, it was that the alt right tried to transition their hate-mongering from the Internet onto the streets. Ordinary (mostly white) people shut them down, not some vast government action.

    LOL. I’m a race-ist but anti-Nazi. There are plenty of people like Ramzpaul who are ‘race realists’ and don’t go for neo-nazi stuff.

    Race realism is a laughable pseudoscience.

    You’re just PC in conflating anything related to White Identity with ‘neo-nazi’.

    But white identity is a racist, Neo-Nazi ideology. If you’ll notice all white identitarians are racists and Neo-Nazis. So you ought to blame yourselves rather than those who are characterizing you accurately based on your words and deeds.

    No one begrudges the legitimate exercise of white ethic identity. We all love St. Patrick’s day and other ethnic white traditions and festivals. No one cries racism when the Irish, Italians, Russians or even the British bask in their unique ethnic heritage. Because those celebrations and traditions aren’t tied up with hatred and white supremacy in the way a nebulous white identity is.

    I suppose that makes Jewish nationalists a bunch of ‘neo-nazis’ too. And black nationalists in Africa are a bunch of Black Nazis. That is just dumb.

    Jews have been persecuted throughout history. The persecuted embrace nationalism as a defense and coping mechanism. In much the same way there is Irish and Scottish nationalism vis-a-vis England.

    The only black nationalism in Africa took root in those places where minority white regimes terrorized and exploited the people. Otherwise black nationalism doesn’t exist in Africa. Africans have no real consciousness of being black or being part of some black bloc. They would only develop those sensibilities if they immigrate to the US, for example.

    As for ethno-states, that has been the dream of anti-imperialists. Ethno-nationalism is about wanting to be free from the Empire. Vietnamese fought for their ethno-state. Algerians kicked out the French. Africans kicked out Brits and French and Belgians. Currently, Europe is being invaded by black demographic imperialists like you who’ve messed up their own nations.

    An ahistorical, noncontextual and oversimplification survey of events, which is one of the prime hallmarks of those of your ideological persuasion. It’s the reason you guys can’t hold a serious discussion. Now, tell me, who would the Americans be fighting for their ethnostate? Who would the British fight? How about the French? Who is the established enemy that these countries have to fight in order to establish their ethnostates? The absurdity of the proposition should dawn on you if you ever ponder that question honestly.

    YOUR kind are demographic ethnic cleansers. You want to invade and demographically take over other nations because (1) you have too many babies in your own nation (2) and your kind turned your own nations to crap.

    Now isn’t this rich? A beneficiary of of a legacy of real (as distinct from imagined) ethnic cleansing is accusing me of ethnic cleansing. Do you realize that there are more Europeans outside of Europe than in it. They are the only continental population with that distinction. They did not arrive like my parents — dutifully obeying all the rules and all the laws, being granted permission to enter. No. They entered by force, guns blazing, often killing anything that moved, conducting real, tangible, actual ethnic cleansing.

    Also, you come to white lands and beat up weaker white guys and demand ‘where da white woman at?’ You want to reduce white men into cucky-wuck ‘white boys’ and colonize white wombs to make black babies.

    Haha. You have some funny material. Actually, I’ve been fucking white girls and women most of my life. Guess what, they wanted me more than I wanted them. What are you going to do about it? Why not worry about your own bedroom and your own probable erectile dysfunction?

    Their masters? Shiite! So, you are a troll!! You’re not even an African but some white guy pretending to be some spear-chucker at hippos. Okay, but I’ll play along as if you be what you claim to be.

    Russia supports and finances all sorts of fringe movements in the US, dummy. Don’t take my word for it, look it up. They set up fake black nationalist organizations and fake gun rights organizations. Their goal is to create chaos. It’s not out of the question that Russia created the alt right and/or directs its activities.

    What is ‘sensible’ immigration policy? You mean Paul Ryan and John McCain?

    Yes. We need immigration. My wife works in science lab. Virtually all here colleagues are foreign born like herself. You see, Americans want the easy hit and quick money. Who’s going to do the critical work that Americans are either too lazy or too greedy to do? In fact we even need illegal immigration because I don’t see your type willing to pick lettuce or scrub toilets.

    No, it was perfectly compatible with American values before globalists took over the US.

    Nope. America was always a conglomeration of different traditions: poly-European, African, Native American and Hispanic. I bet there are Spanish or Native American street names and other influences throughout your city.

    Also, whites had to keep blacks under control because blacks are stronger, more aggressive, wilder, and stuff.

    You are in the grip of 19th century pseudo-”science.”

    As for blacks, ever since they were allowed to run free, they turned cities like Detroit, Baltimore, S. Louis, South Side of Chicago, and etc. Blacks got the bongo gene that is bad for civilization.

    This is some serious trolling. See, you people got into trouble when you abandoned your keyboards and echo-chambers and tried to take this kind of nonsense into the street. By all means, stay anonymous and stick to your keyboard. Don’t let it out of your sight. Don’t even think about leaving your house with this shit.

    No, Alt Right is not about white victimhood.

    Yes it is. The alt-right are grievance mongers and losers. Imagine being white in America (or anywhere in the world because there’s even white privilege in non-white countries) and having everything teed up for you and still failing miserably. That’s what’s at the root of their angst and their frustration. They know they have every advantage by virtue of being white. Yet they see people like me not similarly advantaged who are lapping them, outperforming them, more successful than them. So they lash out. I’m the son of immigrants who came here with virtually nothing. I competed against white people whose families had built up wealth and resources for generations, people whose white skin gave them instant access to a vast range of opportunities, and I came out on top.

    Also, while it’s true that most of the successful people in America are white, they don’t care about white people, culture, or identity. Bill Gates and Tim Cook don’t give a crap about whites.

    In other words, they don’t think like you. They have to be racist scumbags to be white in your eyes. Well, I’m afraid your criteria for being white represents too heavy a burden for any intelligent, decent and rational white person to bear. So of course you will continue to fail and fail and fail.

    But why did your African parents leave their own people/nation and decide to move to a nation founded and built by whites?

    Why did your people come to America? If whites have a magic wand that makes everything wonderful, why couldn’t they make it work in Europe, which was REALLY built by whites, unlike America.

    And if you’re into African identity, why don’t you go back to Africa? We know why,and there is a recognizable pattern.

    Think for a moment. How am I going to have an African identity having been born and raised in America. Do you have a Polish or Irish identity?

    White people do things better, and blacks want to leech off whites.

    Yet it’s whites that have been leeching off blacks for hundreds of years.

    White people do some things well and other things terribly. In the last few hundred years white people became very technologically oriented and they developed some great technology. But no greater than those that came before them without whose influence they might still be dumping feces out of windows and going lifetimes without ever bathing. Conversely, white people have been a deeply exploitative, genocidal and ruinous force that has decimated entire continents, including Europe itself.

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    Yet it’s whites that have been leeching off blacks for hundreds of years.
     
    LOL. Pure undiluted nonsense.

    White people do some things well and other things terribly.
     
    But, whites do everything better than blacks, to a very statistically significant T. Always have, still do.

    Conversely, white people have been a deeply exploitative, genocidal and ruinous force that has decimated entire continents, including Europe itself.
     
    ROFLMAO. Europe is decimated now, is it? African population explodes, Africa is unable to feed and house itself, but whites have decimated Europe? Oh, yeah, and everywhere else. What is noteworthy is that it worked, every time, better than any black alternative.

    Your group is statistically inferior, as a group. You, yourself, may not be, never mind the artificial compensating mechanisms you have been provided by whites. What have you got, personally? ... A 10% edge in a world where 20% of whites have a 10% edge on you?

    Be glad we let you live for a few more years, ay? All of our nasty, "exploitative, genocidal, ruinous, decimating force" still bubbles under the surface. Watch out, or we'll turn the Jews loose on you again.

    , @Mark Presco
    Your ignorance of this country is astounding. It was founded on white identity.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturalization_Act_of_1790

    and remained virtually intact until the 1965 immigration act:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_Nationality_Act_of_1965

    At that time it was

    84% white.

    11% black - because Lincoln didn’t live long enough to complete his plan to relocate blacks out of the country. The Civil War wasn’t fought in order to free the slaves. It was fought to stop traitorous white agribusiness from continuing to infest this country with blacks.

    4% Hispanic – either because we didn’t run them out of the country sufficiently in the first place or because they kept coming back. Probably both.

    1% other – because of the effectiveness of the 1790 immigration policy.

    Now you can rant all you like about past injustice, but this is why this country became as great as it is, and provided the average American with the highest quality of life in the history of the world. It has been declining since 1965. I know, I’m a boomer.

    All of the straw men you raised mean squat; obliterated by the fact that not only have blacks refused to leave, but you keep coming ..and keep coming ..and keep coming ..and keep coming ..and keep coming ..and keep coming. We are doomed to become minorities in all white cultures because of this.

    The reason for this is that you black men provide your people with the lowest quality of life on the planet. All of my life it’s been feed the poor starving Africans. According to a black author, Gwen Richardson, less than 1% of the jobs held by blacks in this country are created by blacks. Show me one country in the entire world where you black men are providing enough jobs for your own people.

    Spare me the litany of past injustice. The greater truth is that for 400 years white men have been showing you how it’s done. You’re just not getting it. The only thing you’ve figured out to do is dump yourselves on white men and demand that we provide it for you. If we do not do this for you to your satisfaction, you scream racism, oppression, marginalization, disenfranchisement and white male privilege.

    Until you black men provide your people with an equal quality of life as we do ours, you have no business thinking of yourselves as the equals of white men. Until you black men actually create a first world country in Africa, you have no business thinking of yourselves as men. And that’s what you blacks should be focusing on. Making Africa great.

    Follow the link to my site. Read the post “On Race” a commenter named Dimitrius Rex was a black nationalist who wanted a separate black America. We got along just fine. To my mind, blacks are the most racist people in this country.

    Is your name really Okechukwu? If not, who are you to cast stones?
    , @Stonehands
    ******Whew******

    You blew up my troll key with that tirade.

    Are you Corvinus' Mom?
    , @Twodees Partain
    Damn, son. 1700 words to say what you could have stated thus:

    "Look at what a leftard asshole I am and despair of teaching me anything."
    , @KenH

    We all know you wouldn’t say the shit you say here in the real world under your real identity. Virtually 100% of Unz posters fall into the same category.
     
    So says the Nubian kang who's posting under an anonymous handle like most alt-righters. Start posting under your real name so you can be doxxed and the whites who you claim to employ will know what you really think of them.

    Conversely, white people have been a deeply exploitative, genocidal and ruinous force that has decimated entire continents, including Europe itself.
     
    And black people are savage, parasitic and destructive. But if you feel that strongly then why don't you go back to Africa? Why don't you emigrate to a nation where there's no white people? Because you know you would lose your black skin privilege, your standard of living would plummet drastically, there's no fat white women to date and marry, and you probably realize that blacks are not highly regarded outside of the Western world.

    A black person's quality of life is tied to their proximity to white people and white political control. The further away they are from white people the worse their quality of life becomes which is why blacks in America are always trying to move into white suburbs and neighborhoods and black Africans are always trying to escape to Europe, U.K. America or Canada.

    During the "genocidal" colonial era in Africa black African birthrates were higher, death rates lower, crime was controlled and the quality of life better. After while rule ended life for blacks got much worse very fast.

    Continue to live in your alter reality bubble.

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  138. @Okechukwu

    If Alt Right is just a nothinghippoburger, why did the Power muster all its resources to shut it down?
     
    I'd contest the degree to which "the power" targeted the alt-right. So far the authorities have been playing footie which them as their members and sympathizers cause havoc and murder people. But that's soon to change. Nevertheless, the world learned to excise this kind of cancer quickly before it metastasizes. Hitler started out with just a few guys.

    Also, if Alt Right is just a bunch of internet trolls, the Power would be far less alarmed. The fact is there is also a core of serious people who deal with real issues.
     
    The alt right are Internet trolls and so are you. We all know you wouldn't say the shit you say here in the real world under your real identity. Virtually 100% of Unz posters fall into the same category. We know the alt right is an almost exclusively Internet phenomenon by virtue of the minuscule numbers that show up at their events. If what they and you are offering is so seductive and so universally attractive, why do you hide?

    There was no danger of Alt Right creating a vast army to take over America or even win elections.
     
    You are correct there.

    But when the movement was on the verge of breaking through at Charlottesville, the power used all its muscle to shut it down.
     
    Break through how? Do you really think an organization that preaches overt white supremacy, naked racism, expulsion of non-whites, the dismemberment of the United States, ethnic cleasing and genocide is ever going to break through? Maybe you should adjust your meds.

    It wasn't that the powers that be shut down the alt right, it was that the alt right tried to transition their hate-mongering from the Internet onto the streets. Ordinary (mostly white) people shut them down, not some vast government action.


    LOL. I’m a race-ist but anti-Nazi. There are plenty of people like Ramzpaul who are ‘race realists’ and don’t go for neo-nazi stuff.
     
    Race realism is a laughable pseudoscience.

    You’re just PC in conflating anything related to White Identity with ‘neo-nazi’.
     
    But white identity is a racist, Neo-Nazi ideology. If you'll notice all white identitarians are racists and Neo-Nazis. So you ought to blame yourselves rather than those who are characterizing you accurately based on your words and deeds.

    No one begrudges the legitimate exercise of white ethic identity. We all love St. Patrick's day and other ethnic white traditions and festivals. No one cries racism when the Irish, Italians, Russians or even the British bask in their unique ethnic heritage. Because those celebrations and traditions aren't tied up with hatred and white supremacy in the way a nebulous white identity is.


    I suppose that makes Jewish nationalists a bunch of ‘neo-nazis’ too. And black nationalists in Africa are a bunch of Black Nazis. That is just dumb.
     
    Jews have been persecuted throughout history. The persecuted embrace nationalism as a defense and coping mechanism. In much the same way there is Irish and Scottish nationalism vis-a-vis England.

    The only black nationalism in Africa took root in those places where minority white regimes terrorized and exploited the people. Otherwise black nationalism doesn't exist in Africa. Africans have no real consciousness of being black or being part of some black bloc. They would only develop those sensibilities if they immigrate to the US, for example.


    As for ethno-states, that has been the dream of anti-imperialists. Ethno-nationalism is about wanting to be free from the Empire. Vietnamese fought for their ethno-state. Algerians kicked out the French. Africans kicked out Brits and French and Belgians. Currently, Europe is being invaded by black demographic imperialists like you who’ve messed up their own nations.
     
    An ahistorical, noncontextual and oversimplification survey of events, which is one of the prime hallmarks of those of your ideological persuasion. It's the reason you guys can't hold a serious discussion. Now, tell me, who would the Americans be fighting for their ethnostate? Who would the British fight? How about the French? Who is the established enemy that these countries have to fight in order to establish their ethnostates? The absurdity of the proposition should dawn on you if you ever ponder that question honestly.

    YOUR kind are demographic ethnic cleansers. You want to invade and demographically take over other nations because (1) you have too many babies in your own nation (2) and your kind turned your own nations to crap.
     
    Now isn't this rich? A beneficiary of of a legacy of real (as distinct from imagined) ethnic cleansing is accusing me of ethnic cleansing. Do you realize that there are more Europeans outside of Europe than in it. They are the only continental population with that distinction. They did not arrive like my parents -- dutifully obeying all the rules and all the laws, being granted permission to enter. No. They entered by force, guns blazing, often killing anything that moved, conducting real, tangible, actual ethnic cleansing.

    Also, you come to white lands and beat up weaker white guys and demand ‘where da white woman at?’ You want to reduce white men into cucky-wuck ‘white boys’ and colonize white wombs to make black babies.
     
    Haha. You have some funny material. Actually, I've been fucking white girls and women most of my life. Guess what, they wanted me more than I wanted them. What are you going to do about it? Why not worry about your own bedroom and your own probable erectile dysfunction?

    Their masters? Shiite! So, you are a troll!! You’re not even an African but some white guy pretending to be some spear-chucker at hippos. Okay, but I’ll play along as if you be what you claim to be.
     
    Russia supports and finances all sorts of fringe movements in the US, dummy. Don't take my word for it, look it up. They set up fake black nationalist organizations and fake gun rights organizations. Their goal is to create chaos. It's not out of the question that Russia created the alt right and/or directs its activities.

    What is ‘sensible’ immigration policy? You mean Paul Ryan and John McCain?
     
    Yes. We need immigration. My wife works in science lab. Virtually all here colleagues are foreign born like herself. You see, Americans want the easy hit and quick money. Who's going to do the critical work that Americans are either too lazy or too greedy to do? In fact we even need illegal immigration because I don't see your type willing to pick lettuce or scrub toilets.

    No, it was perfectly compatible with American values before globalists took over the US.
     
    Nope. America was always a conglomeration of different traditions: poly-European, African, Native American and Hispanic. I bet there are Spanish or Native American street names and other influences throughout your city.

    Also, whites had to keep blacks under control because blacks are stronger, more aggressive, wilder, and stuff.
     
    You are in the grip of 19th century pseudo-"science."

    As for blacks, ever since they were allowed to run free, they turned cities like Detroit, Baltimore, S. Louis, South Side of Chicago, and etc. Blacks got the bongo gene that is bad for civilization.
     
    This is some serious trolling. See, you people got into trouble when you abandoned your keyboards and echo-chambers and tried to take this kind of nonsense into the street. By all means, stay anonymous and stick to your keyboard. Don't let it out of your sight. Don't even think about leaving your house with this shit.

    No, Alt Right is not about white victimhood.
     
    Yes it is. The alt-right are grievance mongers and losers. Imagine being white in America (or anywhere in the world because there's even white privilege in non-white countries) and having everything teed up for you and still failing miserably. That's what's at the root of their angst and their frustration. They know they have every advantage by virtue of being white. Yet they see people like me not similarly advantaged who are lapping them, outperforming them, more successful than them. So they lash out. I'm the son of immigrants who came here with virtually nothing. I competed against white people whose families had built up wealth and resources for generations, people whose white skin gave them instant access to a vast range of opportunities, and I came out on top.

    Also, while it’s true that most of the successful people in America are white, they don’t care about white people, culture, or identity. Bill Gates and Tim Cook don’t give a crap about whites.
     
    In other words, they don't think like you. They have to be racist scumbags to be white in your eyes. Well, I'm afraid your criteria for being white represents too heavy a burden for any intelligent, decent and rational white person to bear. So of course you will continue to fail and fail and fail.

    But why did your African parents leave their own people/nation and decide to move to a nation founded and built by whites?
     
    Why did your people come to America? If whites have a magic wand that makes everything wonderful, why couldn't they make it work in Europe, which was REALLY built by whites, unlike America.

    And if you’re into African identity, why don’t you go back to Africa? We know why,and there is a recognizable pattern.
     
    Think for a moment. How am I going to have an African identity having been born and raised in America. Do you have a Polish or Irish identity?

    White people do things better, and blacks want to leech off whites.
     
    Yet it's whites that have been leeching off blacks for hundreds of years.

    White people do some things well and other things terribly. In the last few hundred years white people became very technologically oriented and they developed some great technology. But no greater than those that came before them without whose influence they might still be dumping feces out of windows and going lifetimes without ever bathing. Conversely, white people have been a deeply exploitative, genocidal and ruinous force that has decimated entire continents, including Europe itself.

    Yet it’s whites that have been leeching off blacks for hundreds of years.

    LOL. Pure undiluted nonsense.

    White people do some things well and other things terribly.

    But, whites do everything better than blacks, to a very statistically significant T. Always have, still do.

    Conversely, white people have been a deeply exploitative, genocidal and ruinous force that has decimated entire continents, including Europe itself.

    ROFLMAO. Europe is decimated now, is it? African population explodes, Africa is unable to feed and house itself, but whites have decimated Europe? Oh, yeah, and everywhere else. What is noteworthy is that it worked, every time, better than any black alternative.

    Your group is statistically inferior, as a group. You, yourself, may not be, never mind the artificial compensating mechanisms you have been provided by whites. What have you got, personally? … A 10% edge in a world where 20% of whites have a 10% edge on you?

    Be glad we let you live for a few more years, ay? All of our nasty, “exploitative, genocidal, ruinous, decimating force” still bubbles under the surface. Watch out, or we’ll turn the Jews loose on you again.

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    But, whites do everything better than blacks, to a very statistically significant T. Always have, still do.
     
    Not everything:

    https://dabrownstein.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/mapping-the-legality-of-marriage-to-death-penalty.jpg

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  139. AaronB says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    Please keep a blog if you leave Unz. I've enjoyed your posts and you've had an influence on my thinking.

    Thank you, Daniel, that’s s very nice thing to say.

    But honestly, if I started a blog, it would be about travel and travel photography and maybe some cultural analysis thrown in. I’m sick of all this futile philosophy stuff, and want to take my own advice and develop a richer and fuller mode of being and get out of my own head. Words, words, words, as Sartre said.

    We shall see…

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  140. AaronB says:
    @wayfarer
    There's no fixing this broken world, not single-handedly at least. God knows, you for one have tried. But alas alt-consciousness, sadly never sold.

    It now appears as if we're headed for Atlantis 2.0 (i.e. “part deux!”). After which, mother nature will get her long long deserved break, from the scourge of an indifferent mankind.

    Too bad people didn't get it this time around. Of course, there's always the next 27,000 year cycle, with all of the countless human incarnations, which come with that.

    source: http://www.lunarplanner.com/HolyCross.html

    Seemingly at the eleventh-hour of humanity, one has to wonder what might have been the fix? Certainly wasn't government and/or religion as our history had experienced it.

    In retrospect it may had been wise to have applied a “fail-fast” systems design theory. But instead we get weaponized plastic technologies, grim humorless AI, and poker-faced robots to usher us out.

    source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fail-fast

    In the end times, it's going to be a pirate's good life for me. I've a hunch you may be a fellow pirate as well. And if that is the case, enjoy the impending sea-ventures and salty-dreams that lay ahead, mate!

    .....

    See you in the next Kalpa :)

    In the meantime, the life of a water pirate sounds pretty awesome.

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    Wherever we want to go, we go. That's what a ship is, you know.
    It's not just a keel and hull, and a deck and sails.
    That's what a ship needs.
    But what a ship is … what the Black Pearl really is … is freedom!

    Jack Sparrow
     
    https://i.pinimg.com/736x/6e/86/0d/6e860d9eee74ee20a510383e8b0adce4--sea-pirates-pirate-theme.jpg
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  141. wayfarer says:
    @HallParvey

    There’s no fixing this broken world, not single-handedly at least. God knows, you for one have tried. But alas alt-consciousness, sadly never sold.

    It now appears as if we’re headed for Atlantis 2.0 (i.e. “part deux!”). After which, mother nature will get her long long deserved break, from the scourge of an indifferent mankind.

    Too bad people didn’t get it this time around. Of course, there’s always the next 27,000 year cycle, with all of the countless human incarnations, which come with
     
    There is no reason to be despondent. There exists the illusion that the world is standing still and that things will always be as they were, with slight differences here and there.
    People see what they think is wrong, and try to correct it. Some pray, others legislate and still others invade. Armed or unarmed.
    The world is not broken. What is today, is the result of what was yesterday. Today will become tomorrow. Just as it has for the last umpteen years. There will be survivors and there will be those who do not survive.

    When a meteor crashed into the earth and turned out the lights for the dinosaurs, life did not cease to exist, although that was a possibility. It evolved. And so long as the earth occupies the Goldilocks zone, life will continue on the earth.

    Still coming to terms with some apparent “cosmic truth,” that we’re on an “eternal journey” of the soul.

    I mean this journey in itself has been one hell of a roller-coaster ride, can’t imagine riding out more, indefinitely into eternity!

    So it’s going to be the life of a cosmic pirate and highwayman, for me.

    But along the eternal way, I’ll hope to make our cosmos a better place, to be.

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    Great song....

    The timbre of those 4 men's voices...is a gift from God.

    And Uniquely American.
    , @HallParvey
    In 36,500 days everybody alive today, with a few exceptions, will be dead. We, almost all of us, will have been replaced.
    That’s over seven billion funerals in that time span. Our time here is short. (As noted before by thinkers greater than us ).
    We have a moral obligation to all those who never got a chance at life, to enjoy, to the best of our ability, whatever experience life gives us. My opinion, of course.
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  142. Mark Presco says: • Website
    @Okechukwu

    If Alt Right is just a nothinghippoburger, why did the Power muster all its resources to shut it down?
     
    I'd contest the degree to which "the power" targeted the alt-right. So far the authorities have been playing footie which them as their members and sympathizers cause havoc and murder people. But that's soon to change. Nevertheless, the world learned to excise this kind of cancer quickly before it metastasizes. Hitler started out with just a few guys.

    Also, if Alt Right is just a bunch of internet trolls, the Power would be far less alarmed. The fact is there is also a core of serious people who deal with real issues.
     
    The alt right are Internet trolls and so are you. We all know you wouldn't say the shit you say here in the real world under your real identity. Virtually 100% of Unz posters fall into the same category. We know the alt right is an almost exclusively Internet phenomenon by virtue of the minuscule numbers that show up at their events. If what they and you are offering is so seductive and so universally attractive, why do you hide?

    There was no danger of Alt Right creating a vast army to take over America or even win elections.
     
    You are correct there.

    But when the movement was on the verge of breaking through at Charlottesville, the power used all its muscle to shut it down.
     
    Break through how? Do you really think an organization that preaches overt white supremacy, naked racism, expulsion of non-whites, the dismemberment of the United States, ethnic cleasing and genocide is ever going to break through? Maybe you should adjust your meds.

    It wasn't that the powers that be shut down the alt right, it was that the alt right tried to transition their hate-mongering from the Internet onto the streets. Ordinary (mostly white) people shut them down, not some vast government action.


    LOL. I’m a race-ist but anti-Nazi. There are plenty of people like Ramzpaul who are ‘race realists’ and don’t go for neo-nazi stuff.
     
    Race realism is a laughable pseudoscience.

    You’re just PC in conflating anything related to White Identity with ‘neo-nazi’.
     
    But white identity is a racist, Neo-Nazi ideology. If you'll notice all white identitarians are racists and Neo-Nazis. So you ought to blame yourselves rather than those who are characterizing you accurately based on your words and deeds.

    No one begrudges the legitimate exercise of white ethic identity. We all love St. Patrick's day and other ethnic white traditions and festivals. No one cries racism when the Irish, Italians, Russians or even the British bask in their unique ethnic heritage. Because those celebrations and traditions aren't tied up with hatred and white supremacy in the way a nebulous white identity is.


    I suppose that makes Jewish nationalists a bunch of ‘neo-nazis’ too. And black nationalists in Africa are a bunch of Black Nazis. That is just dumb.
     
    Jews have been persecuted throughout history. The persecuted embrace nationalism as a defense and coping mechanism. In much the same way there is Irish and Scottish nationalism vis-a-vis England.

    The only black nationalism in Africa took root in those places where minority white regimes terrorized and exploited the people. Otherwise black nationalism doesn't exist in Africa. Africans have no real consciousness of being black or being part of some black bloc. They would only develop those sensibilities if they immigrate to the US, for example.


    As for ethno-states, that has been the dream of anti-imperialists. Ethno-nationalism is about wanting to be free from the Empire. Vietnamese fought for their ethno-state. Algerians kicked out the French. Africans kicked out Brits and French and Belgians. Currently, Europe is being invaded by black demographic imperialists like you who’ve messed up their own nations.
     
    An ahistorical, noncontextual and oversimplification survey of events, which is one of the prime hallmarks of those of your ideological persuasion. It's the reason you guys can't hold a serious discussion. Now, tell me, who would the Americans be fighting for their ethnostate? Who would the British fight? How about the French? Who is the established enemy that these countries have to fight in order to establish their ethnostates? The absurdity of the proposition should dawn on you if you ever ponder that question honestly.

    YOUR kind are demographic ethnic cleansers. You want to invade and demographically take over other nations because (1) you have too many babies in your own nation (2) and your kind turned your own nations to crap.
     
    Now isn't this rich? A beneficiary of of a legacy of real (as distinct from imagined) ethnic cleansing is accusing me of ethnic cleansing. Do you realize that there are more Europeans outside of Europe than in it. They are the only continental population with that distinction. They did not arrive like my parents -- dutifully obeying all the rules and all the laws, being granted permission to enter. No. They entered by force, guns blazing, often killing anything that moved, conducting real, tangible, actual ethnic cleansing.

    Also, you come to white lands and beat up weaker white guys and demand ‘where da white woman at?’ You want to reduce white men into cucky-wuck ‘white boys’ and colonize white wombs to make black babies.
     
    Haha. You have some funny material. Actually, I've been fucking white girls and women most of my life. Guess what, they wanted me more than I wanted them. What are you going to do about it? Why not worry about your own bedroom and your own probable erectile dysfunction?

    Their masters? Shiite! So, you are a troll!! You’re not even an African but some white guy pretending to be some spear-chucker at hippos. Okay, but I’ll play along as if you be what you claim to be.
     
    Russia supports and finances all sorts of fringe movements in the US, dummy. Don't take my word for it, look it up. They set up fake black nationalist organizations and fake gun rights organizations. Their goal is to create chaos. It's not out of the question that Russia created the alt right and/or directs its activities.

    What is ‘sensible’ immigration policy? You mean Paul Ryan and John McCain?
     
    Yes. We need immigration. My wife works in science lab. Virtually all here colleagues are foreign born like herself. You see, Americans want the easy hit and quick money. Who's going to do the critical work that Americans are either too lazy or too greedy to do? In fact we even need illegal immigration because I don't see your type willing to pick lettuce or scrub toilets.

    No, it was perfectly compatible with American values before globalists took over the US.
     
    Nope. America was always a conglomeration of different traditions: poly-European, African, Native American and Hispanic. I bet there are Spanish or Native American street names and other influences throughout your city.

    Also, whites had to keep blacks under control because blacks are stronger, more aggressive, wilder, and stuff.
     
    You are in the grip of 19th century pseudo-"science."

    As for blacks, ever since they were allowed to run free, they turned cities like Detroit, Baltimore, S. Louis, South Side of Chicago, and etc. Blacks got the bongo gene that is bad for civilization.
     
    This is some serious trolling. See, you people got into trouble when you abandoned your keyboards and echo-chambers and tried to take this kind of nonsense into the street. By all means, stay anonymous and stick to your keyboard. Don't let it out of your sight. Don't even think about leaving your house with this shit.

    No, Alt Right is not about white victimhood.
     
    Yes it is. The alt-right are grievance mongers and losers. Imagine being white in America (or anywhere in the world because there's even white privilege in non-white countries) and having everything teed up for you and still failing miserably. That's what's at the root of their angst and their frustration. They know they have every advantage by virtue of being white. Yet they see people like me not similarly advantaged who are lapping them, outperforming them, more successful than them. So they lash out. I'm the son of immigrants who came here with virtually nothing. I competed against white people whose families had built up wealth and resources for generations, people whose white skin gave them instant access to a vast range of opportunities, and I came out on top.

    Also, while it’s true that most of the successful people in America are white, they don’t care about white people, culture, or identity. Bill Gates and Tim Cook don’t give a crap about whites.
     
    In other words, they don't think like you. They have to be racist scumbags to be white in your eyes. Well, I'm afraid your criteria for being white represents too heavy a burden for any intelligent, decent and rational white person to bear. So of course you will continue to fail and fail and fail.

    But why did your African parents leave their own people/nation and decide to move to a nation founded and built by whites?
     
    Why did your people come to America? If whites have a magic wand that makes everything wonderful, why couldn't they make it work in Europe, which was REALLY built by whites, unlike America.

    And if you’re into African identity, why don’t you go back to Africa? We know why,and there is a recognizable pattern.
     
    Think for a moment. How am I going to have an African identity having been born and raised in America. Do you have a Polish or Irish identity?

    White people do things better, and blacks want to leech off whites.
     
    Yet it's whites that have been leeching off blacks for hundreds of years.

    White people do some things well and other things terribly. In the last few hundred years white people became very technologically oriented and they developed some great technology. But no greater than those that came before them without whose influence they might still be dumping feces out of windows and going lifetimes without ever bathing. Conversely, white people have been a deeply exploitative, genocidal and ruinous force that has decimated entire continents, including Europe itself.

    Your ignorance of this country is astounding. It was founded on white identity.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturalization_Act_of_1790

    and remained virtually intact until the 1965 immigration act:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_Nationality_Act_of_1965

    At that time it was

    84% white.

    11% black – because Lincoln didn’t live long enough to complete his plan to relocate blacks out of the country. The Civil War wasn’t fought in order to free the slaves. It was fought to stop traitorous white agribusiness from continuing to infest this country with blacks.

    4% Hispanic – either because we didn’t run them out of the country sufficiently in the first place or because they kept coming back. Probably both.

    1% other – because of the effectiveness of the 1790 immigration policy.

    Now you can rant all you like about past injustice, but this is why this country became as great as it is, and provided the average American with the highest quality of life in the history of the world. It has been declining since 1965. I know, I’m a boomer.

    All of the straw men you raised mean squat; obliterated by the fact that not only have blacks refused to leave, but you keep coming ..and keep coming ..and keep coming ..and keep coming ..and keep coming ..and keep coming. We are doomed to become minorities in all white cultures because of this.

    The reason for this is that you black men provide your people with the lowest quality of life on the planet. All of my life it’s been feed the poor starving Africans. According to a black author, Gwen Richardson, less than 1% of the jobs held by blacks in this country are created by blacks. Show me one country in the entire world where you black men are providing enough jobs for your own people.

    Spare me the litany of past injustice. The greater truth is that for 400 years white men have been showing you how it’s done. You’re just not getting it. The only thing you’ve figured out to do is dump yourselves on white men and demand that we provide it for you. If we do not do this for you to your satisfaction, you scream racism, oppression, marginalization, disenfranchisement and white male privilege.

    Until you black men provide your people with an equal quality of life as we do ours, you have no business thinking of yourselves as the equals of white men. Until you black men actually create a first world country in Africa, you have no business thinking of yourselves as men. And that’s what you blacks should be focusing on. Making Africa great.

    Follow the link to my site. Read the post “On Race” a commenter named Dimitrius Rex was a black nationalist who wanted a separate black America. We got along just fine. To my mind, blacks are the most racist people in this country.

    Is your name really Okechukwu? If not, who are you to cast stones?

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    The Civil War wasn’t fought in order to free the slaves. It was fought to stop traitorous white agribusiness from continuing to infest this country with blacks.
     
    Then the "winning" side lost.

    The reason for this is that you black men provide your people with the lowest quality of life on the planet.
     
    On the other hand, sitting around under a shade tree drinking tea with your homeboys while your womenfolk do all the productive work would be seen as a very high standard of living by some. Some here, even.

    Spare me the litany of past injustice. The greater truth is that for 400 years white men have been showing you how it’s done.
     
    Change "400" to "70" and "white men" to "Jews", and the "you" that follows could apply just as easily to Palestinian Arabs. But, boy, would you get a different reaction here!
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  143. wayfarer says:
    @AaronB
    See you in the next Kalpa :)

    In the meantime, the life of a water pirate sounds pretty awesome.

    Wherever we want to go, we go. That’s what a ship is, you know.
    It’s not just a keel and hull, and a deck and sails.
    That’s what a ship needs.
    But what a ship is … what the Black Pearl really is … is freedom!

    Jack Sparrow

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  144. @wayfarer
    Still coming to terms with some apparent "cosmic truth,” that we're on an “eternal journey” of the soul.

    I mean this journey in itself has been one hell of a roller-coaster ride, can't imagine riding out more, indefinitely into eternity!

    So it's going to be the life of a cosmic pirate and highwayman, for me.

    But along the eternal way, I'll hope to make our cosmos a better place, to be.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFSA8-pxrqc

    Great song….

    The timbre of those 4 men’s voices…is a gift from God.

    And Uniquely American.

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    Great song...

    The timbre of those 4 men’s voices… is a gift from God.

    And uniquely American.
     
    My mother's father's middle name was “Stonewall.” His father, apparently a relation to Lt. General (CSA) Jackson, was from New Orleans, Louisiana. They both worked and died in Mexico, where they built railroads, discovered and managed silver/gold mines.

    I'm a Confederate at heart, so when U.S. Civil 2.0 kicks in, I'll be wearing gray.

    This song's in memorial to the South Florida Everglades, trashed by damn Yankees.

    America's going down, but hopefully not without a fight.

    source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everglades
    source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stonewall_Jackson

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8sh9P3X33w
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  145. JohnD says:

    Hey Sherlock,

    now you get it that the Jews own the USA and got us all by the balls?

    Can you put one and on together?

    Jews had Antifa on standby for decades, waiting for the moment the goyim start waking up.

    Antifa is protected on every level by the Jew-owned state. Their purpose is to intimidate and silence the goyim.

    We are dealing with ZOG here, and they own everything and they are well organized, they have prepared for this moment since decades ago.

    Whereas the ALT-RIGHT is naive…. the police attacks them, and they shout in disbelief: “Sir, why are you attacking us?”

    Their naivete is incredible.

    Now the Alt-Right are eating their own, and attack each other, because they are too scared to attack a Jew.

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  146. @Okechukwu

    If Alt Right is just a nothinghippoburger, why did the Power muster all its resources to shut it down?
     
    I'd contest the degree to which "the power" targeted the alt-right. So far the authorities have been playing footie which them as their members and sympathizers cause havoc and murder people. But that's soon to change. Nevertheless, the world learned to excise this kind of cancer quickly before it metastasizes. Hitler started out with just a few guys.

    Also, if Alt Right is just a bunch of internet trolls, the Power would be far less alarmed. The fact is there is also a core of serious people who deal with real issues.
     
    The alt right are Internet trolls and so are you. We all know you wouldn't say the shit you say here in the real world under your real identity. Virtually 100% of Unz posters fall into the same category. We know the alt right is an almost exclusively Internet phenomenon by virtue of the minuscule numbers that show up at their events. If what they and you are offering is so seductive and so universally attractive, why do you hide?

    There was no danger of Alt Right creating a vast army to take over America or even win elections.
     
    You are correct there.

    But when the movement was on the verge of breaking through at Charlottesville, the power used all its muscle to shut it down.
     
    Break through how? Do you really think an organization that preaches overt white supremacy, naked racism, expulsion of non-whites, the dismemberment of the United States, ethnic cleasing and genocide is ever going to break through? Maybe you should adjust your meds.

    It wasn't that the powers that be shut down the alt right, it was that the alt right tried to transition their hate-mongering from the Internet onto the streets. Ordinary (mostly white) people shut them down, not some vast government action.


    LOL. I’m a race-ist but anti-Nazi. There are plenty of people like Ramzpaul who are ‘race realists’ and don’t go for neo-nazi stuff.
     
    Race realism is a laughable pseudoscience.

    You’re just PC in conflating anything related to White Identity with ‘neo-nazi’.
     
    But white identity is a racist, Neo-Nazi ideology. If you'll notice all white identitarians are racists and Neo-Nazis. So you ought to blame yourselves rather than those who are characterizing you accurately based on your words and deeds.

    No one begrudges the legitimate exercise of white ethic identity. We all love St. Patrick's day and other ethnic white traditions and festivals. No one cries racism when the Irish, Italians, Russians or even the British bask in their unique ethnic heritage. Because those celebrations and traditions aren't tied up with hatred and white supremacy in the way a nebulous white identity is.


    I suppose that makes Jewish nationalists a bunch of ‘neo-nazis’ too. And black nationalists in Africa are a bunch of Black Nazis. That is just dumb.
     
    Jews have been persecuted throughout history. The persecuted embrace nationalism as a defense and coping mechanism. In much the same way there is Irish and Scottish nationalism vis-a-vis England.

    The only black nationalism in Africa took root in those places where minority white regimes terrorized and exploited the people. Otherwise black nationalism doesn't exist in Africa. Africans have no real consciousness of being black or being part of some black bloc. They would only develop those sensibilities if they immigrate to the US, for example.


    As for ethno-states, that has been the dream of anti-imperialists. Ethno-nationalism is about wanting to be free from the Empire. Vietnamese fought for their ethno-state. Algerians kicked out the French. Africans kicked out Brits and French and Belgians. Currently, Europe is being invaded by black demographic imperialists like you who’ve messed up their own nations.
     
    An ahistorical, noncontextual and oversimplification survey of events, which is one of the prime hallmarks of those of your ideological persuasion. It's the reason you guys can't hold a serious discussion. Now, tell me, who would the Americans be fighting for their ethnostate? Who would the British fight? How about the French? Who is the established enemy that these countries have to fight in order to establish their ethnostates? The absurdity of the proposition should dawn on you if you ever ponder that question honestly.

    YOUR kind are demographic ethnic cleansers. You want to invade and demographically take over other nations because (1) you have too many babies in your own nation (2) and your kind turned your own nations to crap.
     
    Now isn't this rich? A beneficiary of of a legacy of real (as distinct from imagined) ethnic cleansing is accusing me of ethnic cleansing. Do you realize that there are more Europeans outside of Europe than in it. They are the only continental population with that distinction. They did not arrive like my parents -- dutifully obeying all the rules and all the laws, being granted permission to enter. No. They entered by force, guns blazing, often killing anything that moved, conducting real, tangible, actual ethnic cleansing.

    Also, you come to white lands and beat up weaker white guys and demand ‘where da white woman at?’ You want to reduce white men into cucky-wuck ‘white boys’ and colonize white wombs to make black babies.
     
    Haha. You have some funny material. Actually, I've been fucking white girls and women most of my life. Guess what, they wanted me more than I wanted them. What are you going to do about it? Why not worry about your own bedroom and your own probable erectile dysfunction?

    Their masters? Shiite! So, you are a troll!! You’re not even an African but some white guy pretending to be some spear-chucker at hippos. Okay, but I’ll play along as if you be what you claim to be.
     
    Russia supports and finances all sorts of fringe movements in the US, dummy. Don't take my word for it, look it up. They set up fake black nationalist organizations and fake gun rights organizations. Their goal is to create chaos. It's not out of the question that Russia created the alt right and/or directs its activities.

    What is ‘sensible’ immigration policy? You mean Paul Ryan and John McCain?
     
    Yes. We need immigration. My wife works in science lab. Virtually all here colleagues are foreign born like herself. You see, Americans want the easy hit and quick money. Who's going to do the critical work that Americans are either too lazy or too greedy to do? In fact we even need illegal immigration because I don't see your type willing to pick lettuce or scrub toilets.

    No, it was perfectly compatible with American values before globalists took over the US.
     
    Nope. America was always a conglomeration of different traditions: poly-European, African, Native American and Hispanic. I bet there are Spanish or Native American street names and other influences throughout your city.

    Also, whites had to keep blacks under control because blacks are stronger, more aggressive, wilder, and stuff.
     
    You are in the grip of 19th century pseudo-"science."

    As for blacks, ever since they were allowed to run free, they turned cities like Detroit, Baltimore, S. Louis, South Side of Chicago, and etc. Blacks got the bongo gene that is bad for civilization.
     
    This is some serious trolling. See, you people got into trouble when you abandoned your keyboards and echo-chambers and tried to take this kind of nonsense into the street. By all means, stay anonymous and stick to your keyboard. Don't let it out of your sight. Don't even think about leaving your house with this shit.

    No, Alt Right is not about white victimhood.
     
    Yes it is. The alt-right are grievance mongers and losers. Imagine being white in America (or anywhere in the world because there's even white privilege in non-white countries) and having everything teed up for you and still failing miserably. That's what's at the root of their angst and their frustration. They know they have every advantage by virtue of being white. Yet they see people like me not similarly advantaged who are lapping them, outperforming them, more successful than them. So they lash out. I'm the son of immigrants who came here with virtually nothing. I competed against white people whose families had built up wealth and resources for generations, people whose white skin gave them instant access to a vast range of opportunities, and I came out on top.

    Also, while it’s true that most of the successful people in America are white, they don’t care about white people, culture, or identity. Bill Gates and Tim Cook don’t give a crap about whites.
     
    In other words, they don't think like you. They have to be racist scumbags to be white in your eyes. Well, I'm afraid your criteria for being white represents too heavy a burden for any intelligent, decent and rational white person to bear. So of course you will continue to fail and fail and fail.

    But why did your African parents leave their own people/nation and decide to move to a nation founded and built by whites?
     
    Why did your people come to America? If whites have a magic wand that makes everything wonderful, why couldn't they make it work in Europe, which was REALLY built by whites, unlike America.

    And if you’re into African identity, why don’t you go back to Africa? We know why,and there is a recognizable pattern.
     
    Think for a moment. How am I going to have an African identity having been born and raised in America. Do you have a Polish or Irish identity?

    White people do things better, and blacks want to leech off whites.
     
    Yet it's whites that have been leeching off blacks for hundreds of years.

    White people do some things well and other things terribly. In the last few hundred years white people became very technologically oriented and they developed some great technology. But no greater than those that came before them without whose influence they might still be dumping feces out of windows and going lifetimes without ever bathing. Conversely, white people have been a deeply exploitative, genocidal and ruinous force that has decimated entire continents, including Europe itself.

    ******Whew******

    You blew up my troll key with that tirade.

    Are you Corvinus’ Mom?

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    Funny, isn't it, how this 'tard can launch a typical "hate whitey" spiel when he is so obviously white himself? It does serve to illustrate how jews use their racial claim of being a race other than white when it serves their purpose and later use their religious claim of being of a unique faith as explanation of their special identity when that suits their purpose.

    Ordinary white leftists jump right in, bashing white people as a race and thinking that they have the same "right" to do so as jews do. They forget that the other races will still see them as white.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    You blew up my troll key with that tirade.

    Are you Corvinus’ Mom?
     
    Shades of Grendel, whose mom was far worse than he.

    Funny that the most accurate depiction of Anglo-Saxon sexual politics happens also to be the oldest one extant.
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  147. Wally says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    there is no event more absurdly “synthetic” than the so called ‘holocaust’.
     
    Well, I tend to agree with you. In fact, the entire AngloZionist version of World War 2 is the biggest RRN (Roger Rabbit Narrative) of them all. However, I think you really ought to rethink your basic strategy and tactics for how you are going to get this message across to people.


    The ‘holocaust’ storyline is one of the most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. That is why those who question it are arrested and persecuted. That is why violent, racist, & privileged supremacist Jews demand censorship. What sort of truth is it that denies free speech and the freedom to seek the truth? Truth needs no protection from scrutiny.
    Only liars demand censorship.
     
    The above is all true, I grant, but it is off topic. Unfortunately, pasting in this boilerplate text continually in unrelated conversations tends to give people the impression that you're just a crank.

    The text relates to what is “synthetic” and is but a part of my post.

    Repetition works, just ask the “Holocau$t Industry”, ask the ad agencies.

    Maybe you see the quoted text frequently, you do seem to live here, but to new readers it can be a brain opener.

    Besides, I constantly post different links to research, videos, photos, & other quotes, which you curiously ignore.

    It appears that you are insincere

    http://www.codoh.com

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  148. anonymous[243] • Disclaimer says:

    The whining of white supremacist scum is always quite entertaining.

    Keep at it… and thanks for some sweet schadenfreude.

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  149. Pericles says:
    @Anon
    There is a lot of blame to go around on the Alt Right, but yes, the main reason is that the POWER colludes against it.

    Let's wind back to Charlottesville. Alt Right and allies(some of them loathsome to be sure) did everything by the book. They had the Constitution and Federal judge on their side.

    Their plan was to rally and give speeches. Unlike antifa scum, they showed respect to authorities and offered to cooperate.

    Now, suppose the rally and speech had been allowed. It woulda happened, it would have made some news, and everyone would have gone home. Some would have liked the ideas, some would hated them. Alt Right would have gained fans, lost fans, etc.

    But what happened? The system violated the Constitutional Rights of Unite the Right rally. The Jewish mayor and black sheriff told the cops to just let antifa scum hang around and make trouble. Then, the police shut down the event when Alt Right did NOTHING wrong. Then, the police willfully pushed the Alt Right into the street to face the Antifa and BLM. And the police did NOTHING to prevent the ensuing melee, mostly antifa and BLM against Unite the Right.

    In a state of panic, some guy named Fields floored the accelerator and ran into a car that hit people, and a woman died of shock.

    So, how did the Jewish-run media spin this? Alt Right killed three people. Two in copter accident and some woman by 'terrorist' attack.
    There was no coverage of the Jewish weasel mayor and the lowlife black sheriff. There was no mention of violation of Constitutional rights. There was no mention of how cops pushed Alt Right into Antifa to do battle. There was no mention that most of the violence by the Right was in self-defense. There was no mention of how the Unite the Right rally was in defense of monuments being torn down, even of the venerable Robert E. Lee.
    And even the scum GOP was hailing Antifa as akin to US soldiers in WWII battling Nazis.
    Charlottesville wasn't like the 68 Democratic Convention melee where the police counter-rioted because of anti-war protesters provocations. The Alt Right didn't provoke cops. It didn't even call for a rumble with Antifa. The riot was instigated by the police at the behest of the Jewish mayor and black police chief. The Power has allowed Antifa scum to run riot. Even though the Power claims to defend rule of law, it will use para-thug force like Antifa who don't fear consequences since tons of Jewish money will work to bail them out and represent them in court.

    The Jewish-run media, that is silent about the killing and oppression of Palestinians, said "there is only one side". But this is the rotten media that have allowed Bush's illegal war in Iraq, Obama's illegal wars in Libya, Ukraine, and Syria. It's the media that works with Deep State to alienate and vilify Russia. Why? Jews own the media and hate Russia for not allowing total Jewish monopoly takeover of Russia. This is a lying weasel media.

    But, the Power decided to shut down sites. Not just Daily Stormer which admittedly is deranged. But even Liddell and Nowicki's Alternative Right blog even though they weren't even at the rally.
    Counter-Currents had nothing to do with the rally, but they had to get new blog host. Radix was shut down.

    Now, imagine this. AIPAC holds rallies that call for US support of Zionist imperialism against Palestinians. And possible war against Iran, a nation that never did us wrong. And Zionists support the horror in Syria. Israel has been working with Saudis to mess up Syria most royally. These Zionists even get Neo-Nazi types in Ukraine to pull off a coup.
    But AIPAC rallies attract Congressmen and big names. They have the backing of media power and financial power.

    But Alt Right cannot even put up blogs. And then, Jewish-run Paypal deny service to almost all Alt Right guys. Even Jared Taylor is targeted even though he had NOTHING to do with the Charlottesville rally. Paypal allows service to all the Deep State goons who mess up the world. It allows service to Zionist supremacists who kill Palestinian women and children. Paypal allows service to rapper thugs who sing about gangsterism and thuggery that promotes bloodbath. Paypal allows service to Nation of Islam because Jews are afraid of angry blacks and want to maintain alliance with blacks against whites.

    But when it comes to Alt Right people and white national liberationists? They must be shut down... along with BDS of course... which is under the threat of being criminalized all across the US.

    And then the Twitter purge. And the Youtube purge... even against BDS voices and Ryan Dawson who isn't Alt Right.
    We see a pattern here. Jewish power will shut down anyone whom it deems threatening to the Narrative.
    Recently, RT was banned from broadcasting in DC. So much for free flow of ideas. What hubris. Only the Monopoly Media is True News and all counter voices are 'fake news'.

    Also, there are all these frivolous lawsuits against people who attended Charlottesville.
    If anything, the Alt Right should sue the city for violation of Constitutional Rights, but guess what....
    Law firms will not represent the Alt Right. Law firms will represent scum like Jonathan Pollard and that low-life rabbi merchant pardoned recently by Donald Trump. They will represent corrupt politicians, greedy corporations, Zionist supremacists, deep state torturers and terrorists, but they will not offer service to Alt Right. THIS is the legal system in the US.
    Even if some law firms want to represent the Alt Right, they are afraid because Jewish nexus of media, finance, and other law firms will do everything to destroy the law firm that dares to represent controversial figures.

    That said, the Alt Right really jumped the gun. Ramzpaul is right. Spencer should never have rubbed shoulders with the likes of Anglin, even if only in conversation. Anglin maybe has value as clown show, and that's about it. If Alt Right is to be a serious movement, it can't be associated with people whose main thing is to act the clown and do a skinhead version of Howard Stern. Also, the idea of uniting the right is good but why associate the right with scum like KKK and Neo-Nazis? Why not send a clear message that Alt Right is NOT with that garbage? But Spencer and co. didn't, and they deserve blame for associating Alt Right with garbage right. Purely from a strategic viewpoint, what was Spencer and co. thinking? The media are owned by Jews. If even just a few arrive with Nazi flags or KKK costume, the media will focus only on that. Alt Right itself should have gone antifa on Nazis and skinheads.

    It seems the alternative right keep failing with both Nazis and Zionists. Matt Heimbach could have done good work with the working class. But the fatass malt-right clown has zero imagination and just larped as fat nazi and encouraged his moron goons to give hitler salutes. There goes Trad Worker that is now Trash Worker. Nazi stuff simply can't be salvaged. The most one can do is say there was some good things about Nazism. But overall, it's too toxic. It's like one can laud certain aspects of Stalinism but it's toxic too. Even leftists don't want to wave Stalin's banner.
    But all these gimps and goons who feel small are attracted to Nazi stuff as some magical talisman.

    But Jared Taylor is also deluded. Taylor has a zero tolerance policy for anyone who is against Jewish power and Israel. American Renaissance deletes any view critical of Jewish power, and he won't invite any guests who discuss the Jewish Question. So, how has this served him? Under guidance of ADL, Twitter banned Taylor. Jewish-run Paypal denies him service.
    As long as Taylor's message is white identity, Jews will hate him no matter how much he praises Jews or expresses admiration for Israel. Why? Because Jewish supremacism depends on White Submissivism, which Taylor rejects.
    It's good for Taylor to reject obvious neo-nazi elements, but he's deluded if he thinks Jewish power will go easy on him because he won't allow 'antisemitic' talk in his forum. Indeed, because he's an intelligent and relatively classy person on the Right, Jewish power sees him as especially dangerous.

    One thing for sure, the Alt Right hasn't yet produced The One. A truly worthy leader. Spencer, a spoiled pretty boy, is too much a vain narcissist to lead the movement. He failed to realize that the Alt Right became a thing only with the media spotlight in the Age of Trump. Until then, he had failed to develop a movement from ground up. Rather, he saw a spotlight on him, and he enjoyed the attention. And he thought the spotlight would be on him forever because he's got the charm. But when your movement depends on attention from above, it will become zero when the spotlight is shut off. For a movement to have real power, it has to generate fire on its own and the fire must spread. That way, even if the Power offers no spotlight on the movement, it has caught fire and it illuminates the world from ground up. That is a real movement.
    But Spencer fell into the Buckley Trap. William F. Buckley loved the limelight and his conservatism became a cult of celebrity. Spencer, because of his pretty boy looks and charming smile, had been the go-to guy for the media when it came to Alt Right. As long as the spotlight was on him, he loved the attention and wanted more. But you can't have a movement based on attention from above because what the Big Media giveth, it can taketh away. A real movement is when you got support from below even when those above you try to shut you down.
    Now, this isn't to say Spencer hasn't convictions. He certainly has. If he really just wanted to coast on celebrity, he could have tailored the Alt Right to be more like Alt Light and not discuss controversial issues. But he stuck to his worldview and his guns. But then, precisely because he chose to stick to hardcore ideas, he should have known that the Power would eventually shut off the spotlight on him. And then what? The only real movement is one where you have backing from the people.
    It's like Chinese communists failed miserably in trying to take over a city. They got slaughtered by KMT, and the movement had to begin again among the peasantry that made up the bulk of Chinese people.
    Alt Right should have identified its potential demographic base and gained a foothold there. But there is too much of fratboy mentality among Spencer and co. Too much drinking and partying. To much media addiction. Too much mugging for the camera.
    Building a base requires real work. Spencer and co. would have to roll up the sleeves and connect with people... like David Treadup as missionary in THE CALL or like George Bailey with the greaser folks in IT'S A WONDERFUL LIFE. But Spencer and co. don't have a humanist bone in their body. Like their proggy counterparts, they are into idolatry even if they worship different idols. Progs worship Black Panther, and Spencer and co. are into Batman(LOL) and the Faustian something-or-other that's gonna take us to Mars and all that Michio-Cuckoo nuttery. It's all about idols and celebrity and egomania. It goes against humanism, which is what everyone needs in this degenerate age. Blacks would do much better if they stopped worshiping trashy celebs and appreciated womenfolk in the past like mama in RAISIN IN THE SUN and IMITATION OF LIFE. And whites would do better to develop a feeling for the kind of folks in GRAPES OF WRATH and IT'S A WONDERFUL LIFE. But the rise of LA DOLCE VITA mania corrupted everyone. Even poor 'white trash' Americans who need to straighten out their lives have, as culture, trashy celebrities who shake their booties like skankass sluts. But we live in a nation where churches bow down before the homo ass instead of having homos trying to atone for their sins before God.

    In the long run, the best chance any movement has is to become a religion or a cult. In other words, Alt Right must become an Alt Rite. Take Islam. Why has it lasted for so long? Unlike Alexander and Genghis, Muhammad founded a religion. And even though Mormonism is a silly kind of culture, why has it lasted and why is it still going strong? It is a religion, a faith, a conviction, a kind of new covenant. Myth, like art, is forever. What the white race needs to do is find its own covenant with the Ultimate Power. But goyim are not good with prophetics. There is more prophetic power in a single pinky of Darren Aronofsky than in the entire Alt Right.

    Oh, if only the alt-right had listened to Anon[425].

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  150. Pericles says:
    @Anonymous
    If you are not sold on his methods, are you sold on his goal--an "Whites-only" nation state?

    White ethnostates are fine. White ethnostates work. Europe had plenty of them up to just 30 years ago or even less. Post-WW2, the great and good Allies cleansed several countries, by forced migration, in order to make them more purely ethnical.

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  151. Pericles says:
    @Anonymous
    If you are not sold on his methods, are you sold on his goal--an "Whites-only" nation state?

    If you are not sold on his methods, are you sold on his goal–an “Whites-only” nation state?

    Are you actively criticizing and working against nation states of other colors? Just curious.

    (Time to remind readers: ‘Nation – A large body of people united by common descent, history, culture, or language, inhabiting a particular state or territory’. I see that several online dictionaries now have begun altering the word into more pliant, modern definitions. Remember it while you can.)

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  152. Pericles says:
    @Anonymous
    Spencer isn't a serious person. No one is who advocates ethnic cleansing or the creation of a "Whites-only" nation state to replace the United States.

    We can be quite certain that the Really Serious Persons will never get there, in any case.

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  153. Pericles says:
    @Okechukwu

    Also, the idea of uniting the right is good but why associate the right with scum like KKK and Neo-Nazis? Why not send a clear message that Alt Right is NOT with that garbage?
     
    Then they'd have virtually no members or supporters. The alt-right is a white supremacist movement like the KKK and Neo-Nazis. Shorn of those ideologies, there's nothing left. It's simply not possible for them to disassociate themselves from themselves.

    The alt-right is a white supremacist movement like the KKK and Neo-Nazis. Shorn of those ideologies, there’s nothing left.

    What remains is you have to go back and never ever return.

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  154. Pericles says:
    @jack daniels
    Yet another article in which someone on the right complains that life isn't fair. "Duh"!
    Here are a few practical ideas for turning things around.
    1. Right wing groups should employ polygraphs to out the underminers within. The tests needn't be intrusive. They can be limited to, e.g., "do you sincerely espouse the position X" or "did you join this group in order to surveille it or subvert it?"
    2. Use the law as best you can. When you are in the right, you don't need the best lawyer in town. The civil rights movement used to sue and prosecute segregationists for "conspiracy to deprive of civil liberties." That would seem to describe the Charlottesville police plan to let violence occur so they would have an excuse to declare a state of emergency, allowing them to abort the planned rally.
    3. Special attention should be devoted to creating internet access and working for common carrier treatment of existing providers. The former strategy is more important. Use the internet for heavy trolling and taboo-breaking where risks are acceptable. The only way to gain acceptance is to unseat taboos and the only way to unseat them is massively to break them.
    4. Understand the structure of the left. The GOP is controlled covertly by socially liberal "big donors" who subvert promises of conservative legislation made to red-state voters. Meanwhile the Dems would lose every election without an 80 - 90% ethnic minority vote. Minorities vote for Dems not because they sincerely favor gay rights or abortion or immigration or gun control or even hate speech laws, but because they want a government that cares about them and will protect them with social services and sinecures. Favoring a strong safety net is not the essence of today's left and is not what today's right most fervently opposes. Once Dems get in office they carry out the social agenda of the white liberal elite, who pay the bills. The natural counter is the "populist" idea of combining strong support for safety net programs that protect the working class with conservative or paleo-libertarian positions on social issues. Socially conservative, economically moderate, wins the day. This combination is almost never seen, for a reason.
    5. Use Antifa's eagerness to do battle against them by entrapping them into verifiable illegal acts that can, with sufficient effort, be brought to prosecution.
    6. Stop publishing articles that complain about hypocrisy without proposing any strategy or tactics to triumph over it. Hypocrisy is normal. The task is not to refute or persuade the left but to defeat them.

    Yet another article in which someone on the right complains that life isn’t fair. “Duh”!
    Here are a few practical ideas for turning things around.

    Half of these points seem to ignore what has happened, so take this advice at your peril, readers, while the other half lack practicality — but thanks anyway. Briskly presented.

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  155. Pericles says:
    @AaronB
    To expand on this, logic is right now acting as a filter and screen on your brain, preventing you from seeing all sorts of things that you would naturally see, literally making white people stupid and depressing tyour cognitive functions as well as depressing you emotionally.

    Probably the only you need to "do"is remove this logical filter - you will begin to "notice" all sorts if things you can't now.

    In other words, you can't consciously craft an approach in a positive manner using principles and the like - that's the problem.

    As hard as it may seem, you actually have to stop doing something rather than start doing something. You have to remove a cognitive filter rather than add any idea or principle.

    It's a negative process - the problem is that our culture always encourages positive action, adding principles and ideas rather than subtracting them.

    Healthy, adaptive living is a genuine interaction with reality - the logical filter has hidden too much of reality from view, severing this connection.

    So instead of once more trying to "do" something positive and adding an idea that you then apply - merely remove the logical filter which is depressing you cognitively.

    What will emerge after that will be based on an interaction with reality and a newfound ability to "see" - the precise form it will take cannot be predicted.

    Such loss of control is also frightening to Westerners, who as FKAmax has shown, seem prone to anxiety - which is why they developed such an iron system of control through science and logic.

    Well, I for one actually appreciate this short course in ‘arguing like a Jew’, so thank you. The reader may also see this phenomenon in action in those odd legal decisions that have been used to delay Trump.

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    Well, I for one actually appreciate this short course in ‘arguing like a Jew’, so thank you. The reader may also see this phenomenon in action in those odd legal decisions that have been used to delay Trump.
     
    For the most part, there IS no argument -- no presentation of facts countering the validity of a position. Read carefully, AaronB presents a sequence of arbitrary denials, not arguments. Much like the legal decisions are not arguments, but stipulations of "legal" inventions.
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  156. @Okechukwu

    If Alt Right is just a nothinghippoburger, why did the Power muster all its resources to shut it down?
     
    I'd contest the degree to which "the power" targeted the alt-right. So far the authorities have been playing footie which them as their members and sympathizers cause havoc and murder people. But that's soon to change. Nevertheless, the world learned to excise this kind of cancer quickly before it metastasizes. Hitler started out with just a few guys.

    Also, if Alt Right is just a bunch of internet trolls, the Power would be far less alarmed. The fact is there is also a core of serious people who deal with real issues.
     
    The alt right are Internet trolls and so are you. We all know you wouldn't say the shit you say here in the real world under your real identity. Virtually 100% of Unz posters fall into the same category. We know the alt right is an almost exclusively Internet phenomenon by virtue of the minuscule numbers that show up at their events. If what they and you are offering is so seductive and so universally attractive, why do you hide?

    There was no danger of Alt Right creating a vast army to take over America or even win elections.
     
    You are correct there.

    But when the movement was on the verge of breaking through at Charlottesville, the power used all its muscle to shut it down.
     
    Break through how? Do you really think an organization that preaches overt white supremacy, naked racism, expulsion of non-whites, the dismemberment of the United States, ethnic cleasing and genocide is ever going to break through? Maybe you should adjust your meds.

    It wasn't that the powers that be shut down the alt right, it was that the alt right tried to transition their hate-mongering from the Internet onto the streets. Ordinary (mostly white) people shut them down, not some vast government action.


    LOL. I’m a race-ist but anti-Nazi. There are plenty of people like Ramzpaul who are ‘race realists’ and don’t go for neo-nazi stuff.
     
    Race realism is a laughable pseudoscience.

    You’re just PC in conflating anything related to White Identity with ‘neo-nazi’.
     
    But white identity is a racist, Neo-Nazi ideology. If you'll notice all white identitarians are racists and Neo-Nazis. So you ought to blame yourselves rather than those who are characterizing you accurately based on your words and deeds.

    No one begrudges the legitimate exercise of white ethic identity. We all love St. Patrick's day and other ethnic white traditions and festivals. No one cries racism when the Irish, Italians, Russians or even the British bask in their unique ethnic heritage. Because those celebrations and traditions aren't tied up with hatred and white supremacy in the way a nebulous white identity is.


    I suppose that makes Jewish nationalists a bunch of ‘neo-nazis’ too. And black nationalists in Africa are a bunch of Black Nazis. That is just dumb.
     
    Jews have been persecuted throughout history. The persecuted embrace nationalism as a defense and coping mechanism. In much the same way there is Irish and Scottish nationalism vis-a-vis England.

    The only black nationalism in Africa took root in those places where minority white regimes terrorized and exploited the people. Otherwise black nationalism doesn't exist in Africa. Africans have no real consciousness of being black or being part of some black bloc. They would only develop those sensibilities if they immigrate to the US, for example.


    As for ethno-states, that has been the dream of anti-imperialists. Ethno-nationalism is about wanting to be free from the Empire. Vietnamese fought for their ethno-state. Algerians kicked out the French. Africans kicked out Brits and French and Belgians. Currently, Europe is being invaded by black demographic imperialists like you who’ve messed up their own nations.
     
    An ahistorical, noncontextual and oversimplification survey of events, which is one of the prime hallmarks of those of your ideological persuasion. It's the reason you guys can't hold a serious discussion. Now, tell me, who would the Americans be fighting for their ethnostate? Who would the British fight? How about the French? Who is the established enemy that these countries have to fight in order to establish their ethnostates? The absurdity of the proposition should dawn on you if you ever ponder that question honestly.

    YOUR kind are demographic ethnic cleansers. You want to invade and demographically take over other nations because (1) you have too many babies in your own nation (2) and your kind turned your own nations to crap.
     
    Now isn't this rich? A beneficiary of of a legacy of real (as distinct from imagined) ethnic cleansing is accusing me of ethnic cleansing. Do you realize that there are more Europeans outside of Europe than in it. They are the only continental population with that distinction. They did not arrive like my parents -- dutifully obeying all the rules and all the laws, being granted permission to enter. No. They entered by force, guns blazing, often killing anything that moved, conducting real, tangible, actual ethnic cleansing.

    Also, you come to white lands and beat up weaker white guys and demand ‘where da white woman at?’ You want to reduce white men into cucky-wuck ‘white boys’ and colonize white wombs to make black babies.
     
    Haha. You have some funny material. Actually, I've been fucking white girls and women most of my life. Guess what, they wanted me more than I wanted them. What are you going to do about it? Why not worry about your own bedroom and your own probable erectile dysfunction?

    Their masters? Shiite! So, you are a troll!! You’re not even an African but some white guy pretending to be some spear-chucker at hippos. Okay, but I’ll play along as if you be what you claim to be.
     
    Russia supports and finances all sorts of fringe movements in the US, dummy. Don't take my word for it, look it up. They set up fake black nationalist organizations and fake gun rights organizations. Their goal is to create chaos. It's not out of the question that Russia created the alt right and/or directs its activities.

    What is ‘sensible’ immigration policy? You mean Paul Ryan and John McCain?
     
    Yes. We need immigration. My wife works in science lab. Virtually all here colleagues are foreign born like herself. You see, Americans want the easy hit and quick money. Who's going to do the critical work that Americans are either too lazy or too greedy to do? In fact we even need illegal immigration because I don't see your type willing to pick lettuce or scrub toilets.

    No, it was perfectly compatible with American values before globalists took over the US.
     
    Nope. America was always a conglomeration of different traditions: poly-European, African, Native American and Hispanic. I bet there are Spanish or Native American street names and other influences throughout your city.

    Also, whites had to keep blacks under control because blacks are stronger, more aggressive, wilder, and stuff.
     
    You are in the grip of 19th century pseudo-"science."

    As for blacks, ever since they were allowed to run free, they turned cities like Detroit, Baltimore, S. Louis, South Side of Chicago, and etc. Blacks got the bongo gene that is bad for civilization.
     
    This is some serious trolling. See, you people got into trouble when you abandoned your keyboards and echo-chambers and tried to take this kind of nonsense into the street. By all means, stay anonymous and stick to your keyboard. Don't let it out of your sight. Don't even think about leaving your house with this shit.

    No, Alt Right is not about white victimhood.
     
    Yes it is. The alt-right are grievance mongers and losers. Imagine being white in America (or anywhere in the world because there's even white privilege in non-white countries) and having everything teed up for you and still failing miserably. That's what's at the root of their angst and their frustration. They know they have every advantage by virtue of being white. Yet they see people like me not similarly advantaged who are lapping them, outperforming them, more successful than them. So they lash out. I'm the son of immigrants who came here with virtually nothing. I competed against white people whose families had built up wealth and resources for generations, people whose white skin gave them instant access to a vast range of opportunities, and I came out on top.

    Also, while it’s true that most of the successful people in America are white, they don’t care about white people, culture, or identity. Bill Gates and Tim Cook don’t give a crap about whites.
     
    In other words, they don't think like you. They have to be racist scumbags to be white in your eyes. Well, I'm afraid your criteria for being white represents too heavy a burden for any intelligent, decent and rational white person to bear. So of course you will continue to fail and fail and fail.

    But why did your African parents leave their own people/nation and decide to move to a nation founded and built by whites?
     
    Why did your people come to America? If whites have a magic wand that makes everything wonderful, why couldn't they make it work in Europe, which was REALLY built by whites, unlike America.

    And if you’re into African identity, why don’t you go back to Africa? We know why,and there is a recognizable pattern.
     
    Think for a moment. How am I going to have an African identity having been born and raised in America. Do you have a Polish or Irish identity?

    White people do things better, and blacks want to leech off whites.
     
    Yet it's whites that have been leeching off blacks for hundreds of years.

    White people do some things well and other things terribly. In the last few hundred years white people became very technologically oriented and they developed some great technology. But no greater than those that came before them without whose influence they might still be dumping feces out of windows and going lifetimes without ever bathing. Conversely, white people have been a deeply exploitative, genocidal and ruinous force that has decimated entire continents, including Europe itself.

    Damn, son. 1700 words to say what you could have stated thus:

    “Look at what a leftard asshole I am and despair of teaching me anything.”

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  157. @Stonehands
    ******Whew******

    You blew up my troll key with that tirade.

    Are you Corvinus' Mom?

    Funny, isn’t it, how this ‘tard can launch a typical “hate whitey” spiel when he is so obviously white himself? It does serve to illustrate how jews use their racial claim of being a race other than white when it serves their purpose and later use their religious claim of being of a unique faith as explanation of their special identity when that suits their purpose.

    Ordinary white leftists jump right in, bashing white people as a race and thinking that they have the same “right” to do so as jews do. They forget that the other races will still see them as white.

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    Funny, isn’t it, how this ‘tard can launch a typical “hate whitey” spiel when he is so obviously white himself?
     
    Not to mention gay.

    That's true of quite a pie wedge of the loony left. E.g., Ladd Everett.
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  158. @Pericles
    Well, I for one actually appreciate this short course in 'arguing like a Jew', so thank you. The reader may also see this phenomenon in action in those odd legal decisions that have been used to delay Trump.

    Well, I for one actually appreciate this short course in ‘arguing like a Jew’, so thank you. The reader may also see this phenomenon in action in those odd legal decisions that have been used to delay Trump.

    For the most part, there IS no argument — no presentation of facts countering the validity of a position. Read carefully, AaronB presents a sequence of arbitrary denials, not arguments. Much like the legal decisions are not arguments, but stipulations of “legal” inventions.

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  159. wayfarer says:
    @Stonehands
    Great song....

    The timbre of those 4 men's voices...is a gift from God.

    And Uniquely American.

    Great song…

    The timbre of those 4 men’s voices… is a gift from God.

    And uniquely American.

    My mother’s father’s middle name was “Stonewall.” His father, apparently a relation to Lt. General (CSA) Jackson, was from New Orleans, Louisiana. They both worked and died in Mexico, where they built railroads, discovered and managed silver/gold mines.

    I’m a Confederate at heart, so when U.S. Civil 2.0 kicks in, I’ll be wearing gray.

    This song’s in memorial to the South Florida Everglades, trashed by damn Yankees.

    America’s going down, but hopefully not without a fight.

    source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everglades
    source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stonewall_Jackson

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  160. @AaronB
    I'll try, a little bit.

    Pilpul comes from a culture that utilizes logic but subordinates it to self-interest. This gives one flexibility in devising and deploying arguments in what is essentially a rhetorical war.

    If logic is your supreme princpile then you are severely limited in the range and substance of your argument and are ill equipped to fight a rhetorical war.

    You will lose.

    A culture where logic is the supreme principle is one-dimensional and unbalanced. It lacks strategic depth and sophistication.

    "Weaponized logic" means using just enough logic to compel assent from an opponent who feels himself bound by logic, but subtly shifting your argument in response to circumstances in disregard of logic in a confusing and ultimately paralyzing manner. It can also mean using your opponents sincere willingness to abide by logic to engage in an endless debate with no resolution and constantly shifting parameters in order to exhaust, confuse, distract, and create doubt and undermine conviction while your convictions are safely removed from the field of argument.

    There is much more to this, of course - and it all depends on your opponent having a naive and sincere and charmingly child like belief in the efficacy of logic.

    Logic is a tool used to process useful information in order to improve the success rate of decision. In the usual case where information is absent, censored, corrupted or manufactured out of whole cloth, logic can be worse than useless. I agree, if logic is the only arrow in your quiver, you’re in trouble. And probably autistic.

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  161. Thomm says:
    @WHAT
    >tiki torch fixation - check
    >whining about them WHITE TRAHIONALISTS - check
    >m-muh real conservatives babble - check

    Must be a really sad life you lead, Thomm.

    That was written by Tbbh, not me, you idiot.

    But why are you surprised that everyone refers to you as ‘White Trashionalists’? That is a superbly accurate description of what you are.

    Not to mention the projection. No one leads a sadder, emptier, lonelier life that a White Trashionalist. That fact that 99% of White Trashionalists are male proves this.

    Heh heh heh heh

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  162. Wally says:
    @Anon
    National Socialism was a relatively peaceful and quite unifying force in Germany from 1933 to 1939.

    But something BIG happened after 1939.

    It's like Maoism wasn't so crazy prior to the Great Leap. But Great Leap happened and then Cultural Revolution.

    We have to look at the whole picture.

    But if National Socialism is “morally repulsive”, they why aren’t you be delivering that message to the foremost National Socialist state now in existence?–the parasitic, hyper-militarized, ethnic-cleansing, supremacist state of Israel.

    I don't have a problem with the core concept of a 'national socialism'. One can argue FDR's New Deal was one too. One can argue the original Swedish social-democratic was also national-socialist.

    So, as a general principle, national socialism isn't a problem. But in the German case, it turned imperialist and genocidal. So, the particular kind of National Socialism aka Nazism became repulsive. It didn't need to be, but Hitler was Fuhrer and he chose madness.

    As for Israel, again, the problem isn't national socialism per se. If Israelis want to maintain their own ethno-state, I don't think anyone would care anymore. Israel is a done deal. But the Occupation of West Bank is clearly imperialist and on the verge of ethnic cleansing. If Jews annex West Bank and if Palestinians rise up, what then? Another Nakba?

    A national socialism becomes morally repulsive once it goes into imperialist mode. And in this, Israel is following in the model of German National Socialism. And American Jews who created horrible conditions in Libya and Syria are making things worse.

    If this continues, people are going to call Zionists Judeo-Nazis.

    said:
    “But in the German case, it turned imperialist and genocidal.”

    No it didn’t and you have no proof that it did. Simple as that.

    http://www.codoh.com

    Holocaust Handbooks, Documentaries, & Videos

    http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?main_page=1

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  163. @Bill TotenWeiss

    Eventually they are going to have to allow whites to have a voice
     
    Congress is 80% white, my dude.

    But keep planning for that CIVIL WAR that you would lose instantly.

    You’re an idiot.

    Congress is 80% shabbos goy sellouts, just like YOU.

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  164. The Alt Right is nothing without ANTIFA. It is like Batman and the Joker. ANTIFA helped give the Alt Right major publicity and after Charlottesville and the media assassination it was all downhill from there. Racial politics is a dead end anymore. I mean even if we stopped immigration, the birth rate problem will still exist. Young white women just don’t want to breed and white men don’t either as well. The Alt Right is nothing more than controlled opposition in my opinion. It comes off as disjointed, not very well organized and seems like it is packed with a bunch of whiny millenials that aren’t bright enough to go toe to toe with the left.

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    Whites reflexively stop breeding with minority proximity. As the distance to minorities increases, so does breeding. Its likely a reflexive psycho-genetic behavior that stops excess DNA contribution to minority populations, which creates smarter enemies. There is only on solution to jump-starting White breeding.
    , @Mark3211
    > The Alt Right is nothing more than controlled opposition in my opinion. It comes off as disjointed, not very well organized and seems like it is packed with a bunch of whiny millenials that aren’t bright enough to go toe to toe with the left.

    Its not well organized. Decentralized dissident movements have been standard since the Revolutionary War.

    Those "whiny millenials who aren't bright enough to go toe to toe with the left" took the nation from Obama to Trump in one election, with no MSM or other institutional support that the Left fully enjoys.

    Your post represents dated and typical minority butthurt. In short, they are more relevant than either you or Antifa at the moment. And maybe more relevant than the MSM who just needed to invent a narrative out of whole cloth to justify a deep state investigation, at the cost of massive political capital, because they lost an election against the alt-Right.

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  165. KenH says:
    @Okechukwu

    If Alt Right is just a nothinghippoburger, why did the Power muster all its resources to shut it down?
     
    I'd contest the degree to which "the power" targeted the alt-right. So far the authorities have been playing footie which them as their members and sympathizers cause havoc and murder people. But that's soon to change. Nevertheless, the world learned to excise this kind of cancer quickly before it metastasizes. Hitler started out with just a few guys.

    Also, if Alt Right is just a bunch of internet trolls, the Power would be far less alarmed. The fact is there is also a core of serious people who deal with real issues.
     
    The alt right are Internet trolls and so are you. We all know you wouldn't say the shit you say here in the real world under your real identity. Virtually 100% of Unz posters fall into the same category. We know the alt right is an almost exclusively Internet phenomenon by virtue of the minuscule numbers that show up at their events. If what they and you are offering is so seductive and so universally attractive, why do you hide?

    There was no danger of Alt Right creating a vast army to take over America or even win elections.
     
    You are correct there.

    But when the movement was on the verge of breaking through at Charlottesville, the power used all its muscle to shut it down.
     
    Break through how? Do you really think an organization that preaches overt white supremacy, naked racism, expulsion of non-whites, the dismemberment of the United States, ethnic cleasing and genocide is ever going to break through? Maybe you should adjust your meds.

    It wasn't that the powers that be shut down the alt right, it was that the alt right tried to transition their hate-mongering from the Internet onto the streets. Ordinary (mostly white) people shut them down, not some vast government action.


    LOL. I’m a race-ist but anti-Nazi. There are plenty of people like Ramzpaul who are ‘race realists’ and don’t go for neo-nazi stuff.
     
    Race realism is a laughable pseudoscience.

    You’re just PC in conflating anything related to White Identity with ‘neo-nazi’.
     
    But white identity is a racist, Neo-Nazi ideology. If you'll notice all white identitarians are racists and Neo-Nazis. So you ought to blame yourselves rather than those who are characterizing you accurately based on your words and deeds.

    No one begrudges the legitimate exercise of white ethic identity. We all love St. Patrick's day and other ethnic white traditions and festivals. No one cries racism when the Irish, Italians, Russians or even the British bask in their unique ethnic heritage. Because those celebrations and traditions aren't tied up with hatred and white supremacy in the way a nebulous white identity is.


    I suppose that makes Jewish nationalists a bunch of ‘neo-nazis’ too. And black nationalists in Africa are a bunch of Black Nazis. That is just dumb.
     
    Jews have been persecuted throughout history. The persecuted embrace nationalism as a defense and coping mechanism. In much the same way there is Irish and Scottish nationalism vis-a-vis England.

    The only black nationalism in Africa took root in those places where minority white regimes terrorized and exploited the people. Otherwise black nationalism doesn't exist in Africa. Africans have no real consciousness of being black or being part of some black bloc. They would only develop those sensibilities if they immigrate to the US, for example.


    As for ethno-states, that has been the dream of anti-imperialists. Ethno-nationalism is about wanting to be free from the Empire. Vietnamese fought for their ethno-state. Algerians kicked out the French. Africans kicked out Brits and French and Belgians. Currently, Europe is being invaded by black demographic imperialists like you who’ve messed up their own nations.
     
    An ahistorical, noncontextual and oversimplification survey of events, which is one of the prime hallmarks of those of your ideological persuasion. It's the reason you guys can't hold a serious discussion. Now, tell me, who would the Americans be fighting for their ethnostate? Who would the British fight? How about the French? Who is the established enemy that these countries have to fight in order to establish their ethnostates? The absurdity of the proposition should dawn on you if you ever ponder that question honestly.

    YOUR kind are demographic ethnic cleansers. You want to invade and demographically take over other nations because (1) you have too many babies in your own nation (2) and your kind turned your own nations to crap.
     
    Now isn't this rich? A beneficiary of of a legacy of real (as distinct from imagined) ethnic cleansing is accusing me of ethnic cleansing. Do you realize that there are more Europeans outside of Europe than in it. They are the only continental population with that distinction. They did not arrive like my parents -- dutifully obeying all the rules and all the laws, being granted permission to enter. No. They entered by force, guns blazing, often killing anything that moved, conducting real, tangible, actual ethnic cleansing.

    Also, you come to white lands and beat up weaker white guys and demand ‘where da white woman at?’ You want to reduce white men into cucky-wuck ‘white boys’ and colonize white wombs to make black babies.
     
    Haha. You have some funny material. Actually, I've been fucking white girls and women most of my life. Guess what, they wanted me more than I wanted them. What are you going to do about it? Why not worry about your own bedroom and your own probable erectile dysfunction?

    Their masters? Shiite! So, you are a troll!! You’re not even an African but some white guy pretending to be some spear-chucker at hippos. Okay, but I’ll play along as if you be what you claim to be.
     
    Russia supports and finances all sorts of fringe movements in the US, dummy. Don't take my word for it, look it up. They set up fake black nationalist organizations and fake gun rights organizations. Their goal is to create chaos. It's not out of the question that Russia created the alt right and/or directs its activities.

    What is ‘sensible’ immigration policy? You mean Paul Ryan and John McCain?
     
    Yes. We need immigration. My wife works in science lab. Virtually all here colleagues are foreign born like herself. You see, Americans want the easy hit and quick money. Who's going to do the critical work that Americans are either too lazy or too greedy to do? In fact we even need illegal immigration because I don't see your type willing to pick lettuce or scrub toilets.

    No, it was perfectly compatible with American values before globalists took over the US.
     
    Nope. America was always a conglomeration of different traditions: poly-European, African, Native American and Hispanic. I bet there are Spanish or Native American street names and other influences throughout your city.

    Also, whites had to keep blacks under control because blacks are stronger, more aggressive, wilder, and stuff.
     
    You are in the grip of 19th century pseudo-"science."

    As for blacks, ever since they were allowed to run free, they turned cities like Detroit, Baltimore, S. Louis, South Side of Chicago, and etc. Blacks got the bongo gene that is bad for civilization.
     
    This is some serious trolling. See, you people got into trouble when you abandoned your keyboards and echo-chambers and tried to take this kind of nonsense into the street. By all means, stay anonymous and stick to your keyboard. Don't let it out of your sight. Don't even think about leaving your house with this shit.

    No, Alt Right is not about white victimhood.
     
    Yes it is. The alt-right are grievance mongers and losers. Imagine being white in America (or anywhere in the world because there's even white privilege in non-white countries) and having everything teed up for you and still failing miserably. That's what's at the root of their angst and their frustration. They know they have every advantage by virtue of being white. Yet they see people like me not similarly advantaged who are lapping them, outperforming them, more successful than them. So they lash out. I'm the son of immigrants who came here with virtually nothing. I competed against white people whose families had built up wealth and resources for generations, people whose white skin gave them instant access to a vast range of opportunities, and I came out on top.

    Also, while it’s true that most of the successful people in America are white, they don’t care about white people, culture, or identity. Bill Gates and Tim Cook don’t give a crap about whites.
     
    In other words, they don't think like you. They have to be racist scumbags to be white in your eyes. Well, I'm afraid your criteria for being white represents too heavy a burden for any intelligent, decent and rational white person to bear. So of course you will continue to fail and fail and fail.

    But why did your African parents leave their own people/nation and decide to move to a nation founded and built by whites?
     
    Why did your people come to America? If whites have a magic wand that makes everything wonderful, why couldn't they make it work in Europe, which was REALLY built by whites, unlike America.

    And if you’re into African identity, why don’t you go back to Africa? We know why,and there is a recognizable pattern.
     
    Think for a moment. How am I going to have an African identity having been born and raised in America. Do you have a Polish or Irish identity?

    White people do things better, and blacks want to leech off whites.
     
    Yet it's whites that have been leeching off blacks for hundreds of years.

    White people do some things well and other things terribly. In the last few hundred years white people became very technologically oriented and they developed some great technology. But no greater than those that came before them without whose influence they might still be dumping feces out of windows and going lifetimes without ever bathing. Conversely, white people have been a deeply exploitative, genocidal and ruinous force that has decimated entire continents, including Europe itself.

    We all know you wouldn’t say the shit you say here in the real world under your real identity. Virtually 100% of Unz posters fall into the same category.

    So says the Nubian kang who’s posting under an anonymous handle like most alt-righters. Start posting under your real name so you can be doxxed and the whites who you claim to employ will know what you really think of them.

    Conversely, white people have been a deeply exploitative, genocidal and ruinous force that has decimated entire continents, including Europe itself.

    And black people are savage, parasitic and destructive. But if you feel that strongly then why don’t you go back to Africa? Why don’t you emigrate to a nation where there’s no white people? Because you know you would lose your black skin privilege, your standard of living would plummet drastically, there’s no fat white women to date and marry, and you probably realize that blacks are not highly regarded outside of the Western world.

    A black person’s quality of life is tied to their proximity to white people and white political control. The further away they are from white people the worse their quality of life becomes which is why blacks in America are always trying to move into white suburbs and neighborhoods and black Africans are always trying to escape to Europe, U.K. America or Canada.

    During the “genocidal” colonial era in Africa black African birthrates were higher, death rates lower, crime was controlled and the quality of life better. After while rule ended life for blacks got much worse very fast.

    Continue to live in your alter reality bubble.

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  166. @KenH

    We all know you wouldn’t say the shit you say here in the real world under your real identity. Virtually 100% of Unz posters fall into the same category.
     
    So says the Nubian kang who's posting under an anonymous handle like most alt-righters. Start posting under your real name so you can be doxxed and the whites who you claim to employ will know what you really think of them.

    Conversely, white people have been a deeply exploitative, genocidal and ruinous force that has decimated entire continents, including Europe itself.
     
    And black people are savage, parasitic and destructive. But if you feel that strongly then why don't you go back to Africa? Why don't you emigrate to a nation where there's no white people? Because you know you would lose your black skin privilege, your standard of living would plummet drastically, there's no fat white women to date and marry, and you probably realize that blacks are not highly regarded outside of the Western world.

    A black person's quality of life is tied to their proximity to white people and white political control. The further away they are from white people the worse their quality of life becomes which is why blacks in America are always trying to move into white suburbs and neighborhoods and black Africans are always trying to escape to Europe, U.K. America or Canada.

    During the "genocidal" colonial era in Africa black African birthrates were higher, death rates lower, crime was controlled and the quality of life better. After while rule ended life for blacks got much worse very fast.

    Continue to live in your alter reality bubble.

    Ken, I doubt that this shill is black. He writes like a typical white SJW.

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    Ken, I doubt that this shill is black. He writes like a typical white SJW.
     
    The only white people I know that pretend to be black online are white supremacist trolls like you. And they're pretty easy to unmask because they're too dumb to do it credibly.
    , @KenH
    The thought crossed my mind. Maybe he's transracial. Maybe he's transracial and transgender.
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  167. Okechukwu says:
    @Twodees Partain
    Ken, I doubt that this shill is black. He writes like a typical white SJW.

    Ken, I doubt that this shill is black. He writes like a typical white SJW.

    The only white people I know that pretend to be black online are white supremacist trolls like you. And they’re pretty easy to unmask because they’re too dumb to do it credibly.

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    You know lots of white supremacist trolls? Well, they do say you know a man by the company he chooses ...

    ;)
    , @Mark3211
    Sure. White supremacist trolls are "too dumb" but the world is figuratively convulsing at the thought of disallowing everyone else to live in White society, while no one gives two shits about the right to live among anyone else.

    This makes total sense and doesn't wreak of a need for rationalization and soothing self-talk whatsoever. Lets hurry up and make the right to lie with the dummies the world's priority.

    The truth is that the world prizes obtaining the genetics and the resultant society of those "too dumb" WNs. Which is why they are who they are.

    , @Reg Cæsar

    The only white people I know that pretend to be black online are white supremacist trolls like you.
     
    If he's online, how do you know he's white?

    https://cpcmcredit.files.wordpress.com/2018/01/on-the-internet-nobody-knows-youre-a-dog-5160729.png?w=595
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  168. FKA Max says:
    @FKA Max
    Totgesagte leben länger


    Ronnie Drew - Theres Life In the Old Dog Yet

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOCw7EsoB6U

    George Hawley : Is the Alt-Right Collapsing?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McqA5wmI5fQ


    The Establishment wishes the Alt Right were collapsing, because it wants to achieve Full Spectrum Dominance, but this is a fool's errand:


    As early as 2005, the credibility of full-spectrum dominance as a practical strategic doctrine was dismissed by Professor Philip Taylor of the University of Leeds[3] an expert consultant to the US and UK governments on psychological operations, propaganda and diplomacy.

    It's true, though rarely recognized in the control-freakery world of the military, that full spectrum dominance is impossible in the global information environment.
     

    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full-spectrum_dominance#Criticism

    As Trump said "It's always good to be underestimated." http://izquotes.com/quote/187201 , so there is an advantage for the Alt Right in having their opponents believe they are self-destructing/finished/collapsing, etc.

    Nevertheless, the attacks on the Alt Right have been unprecedented lately, and they are coming from all directions not just from the Left.

    Nathan Cofnas trying to debunk Kevin MacDonald's research and trying to discredit his reputation as a scholar, was loudly applauded by the likes of Jordan Peterson et al., for example: http://www.unz.com/article/what-the-alt-right-gets-wrong-about-jews/#comment-2257787

    What basically happened is that the Alt Right was successful in repelling the co-option and infiltration attempts of the movement by establishment conservatives, and therefore the movement and its members needed to be demonized and/or be discredited:

    “We are going to invade Milo’s events and confront him,” Daily Stormer founder Andrew Anglin proposes before laying out a three-part plan for said confrontations. “He is taking our brand, our symbols, and turning them against us for a neocon-Jew conservative agenda.”

     

    - http://www.unz.com/article/what-the-alt-right-and-regressive-left-have-in-common/#comment-2259344

    This appears to be yet one more organized effort to demoralize and discredit the alt-right. Does anyone know where this is coming from?

    I believe Steve Bannon was/is behind it, read lengthy comment of mine about this here:
    [...]
    “Ethno-nationalism — it’s losers. It’s a fringe element. I think the media plays it up too much, and we gotta help crush it, you know, uh, help crush it more.
    - http://www.unz.com/article/charlottesville-and-the-new-york-times/#comment-1986722
     

    - https://www.unz.com/article/who-are-the-alt-right/#comment-2019815

    The only way to battle this is to do what Microchip did:


    “So the narrative changed from 'I hate myself because we have neo-Nazis on our side' to 'I really hate antifa, let's get along and tackle the terrorists,’" explained Microchip.

    Many on Twitter similarly praise Microchip and his crew for Ryan's stance against the antifa. For days, the online provocateur rallied Trump supporters online to call Ryan's office and "ask him to publicly denounce" the group.
     

    - https://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/31/pro-trump-tweeters-paul-ryan-antifa-pressure-242219

    The Alt Right needs to keep pulling a Bush 43 on Conservatism Inc. and have it taste some of its own medicine:

    Either you are with us, or you are with the [AntiFa]

    Either With Us Or With The Terrorists - Bush

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qdvm6h8WKg

    Great video interview from Identity Evropa, which pretty much proves that the Alt Right is not finished, quite the opposite actually; it is just getting started, in my opinion:

    What is Identitarianism? | Patrick Casey & James Allsup


    In this recorded portion of the Identity Europa national conference, I sit down with Patrick Casey to discuss the concept of identitarianism, how it differs from other political ideologies, and why it is important for Americans to understand.

    I believe that the unraveling of the Traditionalist Worker Party https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traditionalist_Worker_Party is a positive development for the movement, a much-needed “cleansing”, so to speak. I commented a few months ago that I thought that “the movement is in a better place and shape than it has ever been in before”, and I specifically identified the Traditionalist Worker Party as one of the biggest liabilities to the movement back then:

    To me personally, groups like the “Traditionalist Worker Party” are the most unhelpful faction within the movement…

    http://www.unz.com/video/ramzpaul_8-questions-answered-sargon-of-akkads-survey/#comment-2143506

    What, logically, follows from this, I believe, is that the movement is in an even better place and in better shape than it was earlier this year (I wrote the comment on January 4, 2018).

    Identity Evropa member asks Ann Coulter about South African Genocide

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    What about this guy named Jeff Schoep? He's coming to my small town soon, expected to be a big fight, police chief has warned people to stay away. I haven't really kept up with the alt right thing until Charlottesville, it was obvious to me the whole thing was a staged event, meant to divide people and paint Trump voters as racists.
    This is really strange, nothing ever happens here, then suddenly this guy is coming to town, Antifa has promised to show up and start fights. Sounds like another Charlottesville in the making.
    I've researched the guy and found some articles claiming he is an FBI informant. He looks like a troublemaker, some of the speeches I've heard from him are pretty lame.
    Just curious who he is and what to expect.. Is his last name a Jewish name?

    http://times-herald.com/news/2018/04/city-braces-for-proposed-white-nationalist-rally

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  169. @FKA Max
    Great video interview from Identity Evropa, which pretty much proves that the Alt Right is not finished, quite the opposite actually; it is just getting started, in my opinion:

    What is Identitarianism? | Patrick Casey & James Allsup

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3kDzLFwKtQ

    In this recorded portion of the Identity Europa national conference, I sit down with Patrick Casey to discuss the concept of identitarianism, how it differs from other political ideologies, and why it is important for Americans to understand.

    I believe that the unraveling of the Traditionalist Worker Party https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traditionalist_Worker_Party is a positive development for the movement, a much-needed "cleansing", so to speak. I commented a few months ago that I thought that "the movement is in a better place and shape than it has ever been in before", and I specifically identified the Traditionalist Worker Party as one of the biggest liabilities to the movement back then:


    To me personally, groups like the “Traditionalist Worker Party” are the most unhelpful faction within the movement...
     
    - http://www.unz.com/video/ramzpaul_8-questions-answered-sargon-of-akkads-survey/#comment-2143506

    What, logically, follows from this, I believe, is that the movement is in an even better place and in better shape than it was earlier this year (I wrote the comment on January 4, 2018).

    Identity Evropa member asks Ann Coulter about South African Genocide

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AWujlPGsu0

    What about this guy named Jeff Schoep? He’s coming to my small town soon, expected to be a big fight, police chief has warned people to stay away. I haven’t really kept up with the alt right thing until Charlottesville, it was obvious to me the whole thing was a staged event, meant to divide people and paint Trump voters as racists.
    This is really strange, nothing ever happens here, then suddenly this guy is coming to town, Antifa has promised to show up and start fights. Sounds like another Charlottesville in the making.
    I’ve researched the guy and found some articles claiming he is an FBI informant. He looks like a troublemaker, some of the speeches I’ve heard from him are pretty lame.
    Just curious who he is and what to expect.. Is his last name a Jewish name?

    http://times-herald.com/news/2018/04/city-braces-for-proposed-white-nationalist-rally

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  170. Anon[291] • Disclaimer says:
    @Okechukwu

    Ken, I doubt that this shill is black. He writes like a typical white SJW.
     
    The only white people I know that pretend to be black online are white supremacist trolls like you. And they're pretty easy to unmask because they're too dumb to do it credibly.

    You know lots of white supremacist trolls? Well, they do say you know a man by the company he chooses …

    ;)

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  171. Marc3211 says:
    @Robert Bruce
    The Alt Right is nothing without ANTIFA. It is like Batman and the Joker. ANTIFA helped give the Alt Right major publicity and after Charlottesville and the media assassination it was all downhill from there. Racial politics is a dead end anymore. I mean even if we stopped immigration, the birth rate problem will still exist. Young white women just don't want to breed and white men don't either as well. The Alt Right is nothing more than controlled opposition in my opinion. It comes off as disjointed, not very well organized and seems like it is packed with a bunch of whiny millenials that aren't bright enough to go toe to toe with the left.

    Whites reflexively stop breeding with minority proximity. As the distance to minorities increases, so does breeding. Its likely a reflexive psycho-genetic behavior that stops excess DNA contribution to minority populations, which creates smarter enemies. There is only on solution to jump-starting White breeding.

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    Whites reflexively stop breeding with minority proximity. As the distance to minorities increases, so does breeding.
     
    Yeah, that Russian minority is sure keeping those Ukrainians, Poles, Slovaks, White Russians, Armenians, Estonians, Lithuanians, and Letts from doing it:

    http://mecometer.com/image/worldmap-mono/total-fertility-rate-factbook.png

    https://i.imgur.com/FGOqtLI.jpg
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  172. Mark3211 says:
    @Okechukwu

    Ken, I doubt that this shill is black. He writes like a typical white SJW.
     
    The only white people I know that pretend to be black online are white supremacist trolls like you. And they're pretty easy to unmask because they're too dumb to do it credibly.

    Sure. White supremacist trolls are “too dumb” but the world is figuratively convulsing at the thought of disallowing everyone else to live in White society, while no one gives two shits about the right to live among anyone else.

    This makes total sense and doesn’t wreak of a need for rationalization and soothing self-talk whatsoever. Lets hurry up and make the right to lie with the dummies the world’s priority.

    The truth is that the world prizes obtaining the genetics and the resultant society of those “too dumb” WNs. Which is why they are who they are.

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    Sure. White supremacist trolls are “too dumb” but the world is figuratively convulsing at the thought of disallowing everyone else to live in White society, while no one gives two shits about the right to live among anyone else.
     
    I'd take you folks more seriously if you were as excised over whites living in non-white societies. Whites are all over the world, often in very privileged circumstances. On the other hand, Europe is one of the least diverse areas on earth. White nationalists often talk about Germany in terms of a so-called refugee invasion. Well I just returned from Germany and you'd have to work very hard to find a non-white person there. The same is true of the rest of Europe.

    The truth is that the world prizes obtaining the genetics and the resultant society of those “too dumb” WNs. Which is why they are who they are
     
    .
    Keep telling yourself that. I see no evidence of that in actuality. Evidence does indicate a desire among many whites (women in particular) to birth half-black children. They consider such mixed children more beautiful. I have personal experience of this.
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  173. Mark3211 says:
    @Robert Bruce
    The Alt Right is nothing without ANTIFA. It is like Batman and the Joker. ANTIFA helped give the Alt Right major publicity and after Charlottesville and the media assassination it was all downhill from there. Racial politics is a dead end anymore. I mean even if we stopped immigration, the birth rate problem will still exist. Young white women just don't want to breed and white men don't either as well. The Alt Right is nothing more than controlled opposition in my opinion. It comes off as disjointed, not very well organized and seems like it is packed with a bunch of whiny millenials that aren't bright enough to go toe to toe with the left.

    > The Alt Right is nothing more than controlled opposition in my opinion. It comes off as disjointed, not very well organized and seems like it is packed with a bunch of whiny millenials that aren’t bright enough to go toe to toe with the left.

    Its not well organized. Decentralized dissident movements have been standard since the Revolutionary War.

    Those “whiny millenials who aren’t bright enough to go toe to toe with the left” took the nation from Obama to Trump in one election, with no MSM or other institutional support that the Left fully enjoys.

    Your post represents dated and typical minority butthurt. In short, they are more relevant than either you or Antifa at the moment. And maybe more relevant than the MSM who just needed to invent a narrative out of whole cloth to justify a deep state investigation, at the cost of massive political capital, because they lost an election against the alt-Right.

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  174. @Okechukwu

    Ken, I doubt that this shill is black. He writes like a typical white SJW.
     
    The only white people I know that pretend to be black online are white supremacist trolls like you. And they're pretty easy to unmask because they're too dumb to do it credibly.

    The only white people I know that pretend to be black online are white supremacist trolls like you.

    If he’s online, how do you know he’s white?

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  175. @Steve Gittelson

    Yet it’s whites that have been leeching off blacks for hundreds of years.
     
    LOL. Pure undiluted nonsense.

    White people do some things well and other things terribly.
     
    But, whites do everything better than blacks, to a very statistically significant T. Always have, still do.

    Conversely, white people have been a deeply exploitative, genocidal and ruinous force that has decimated entire continents, including Europe itself.
     
    ROFLMAO. Europe is decimated now, is it? African population explodes, Africa is unable to feed and house itself, but whites have decimated Europe? Oh, yeah, and everywhere else. What is noteworthy is that it worked, every time, better than any black alternative.

    Your group is statistically inferior, as a group. You, yourself, may not be, never mind the artificial compensating mechanisms you have been provided by whites. What have you got, personally? ... A 10% edge in a world where 20% of whites have a 10% edge on you?

    Be glad we let you live for a few more years, ay? All of our nasty, "exploitative, genocidal, ruinous, decimating force" still bubbles under the surface. Watch out, or we'll turn the Jews loose on you again.

    But, whites do everything better than blacks, to a very statistically significant T. Always have, still do.

    Not everything:

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  176. @Stonehands
    ******Whew******

    You blew up my troll key with that tirade.

    Are you Corvinus' Mom?

    You blew up my troll key with that tirade.

    Are you Corvinus’ Mom?

    Shades of Grendel, whose mom was far worse than he.

    Funny that the most accurate depiction of Anglo-Saxon sexual politics happens also to be the oldest one extant.

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  177. @Mark Presco
    Your ignorance of this country is astounding. It was founded on white identity.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturalization_Act_of_1790

    and remained virtually intact until the 1965 immigration act:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_Nationality_Act_of_1965

    At that time it was

    84% white.

    11% black - because Lincoln didn’t live long enough to complete his plan to relocate blacks out of the country. The Civil War wasn’t fought in order to free the slaves. It was fought to stop traitorous white agribusiness from continuing to infest this country with blacks.

    4% Hispanic – either because we didn’t run them out of the country sufficiently in the first place or because they kept coming back. Probably both.

    1% other – because of the effectiveness of the 1790 immigration policy.

    Now you can rant all you like about past injustice, but this is why this country became as great as it is, and provided the average American with the highest quality of life in the history of the world. It has been declining since 1965. I know, I’m a boomer.

    All of the straw men you raised mean squat; obliterated by the fact that not only have blacks refused to leave, but you keep coming ..and keep coming ..and keep coming ..and keep coming ..and keep coming ..and keep coming. We are doomed to become minorities in all white cultures because of this.

    The reason for this is that you black men provide your people with the lowest quality of life on the planet. All of my life it’s been feed the poor starving Africans. According to a black author, Gwen Richardson, less than 1% of the jobs held by blacks in this country are created by blacks. Show me one country in the entire world where you black men are providing enough jobs for your own people.

    Spare me the litany of past injustice. The greater truth is that for 400 years white men have been showing you how it’s done. You’re just not getting it. The only thing you’ve figured out to do is dump yourselves on white men and demand that we provide it for you. If we do not do this for you to your satisfaction, you scream racism, oppression, marginalization, disenfranchisement and white male privilege.

    Until you black men provide your people with an equal quality of life as we do ours, you have no business thinking of yourselves as the equals of white men. Until you black men actually create a first world country in Africa, you have no business thinking of yourselves as men. And that’s what you blacks should be focusing on. Making Africa great.

    Follow the link to my site. Read the post “On Race” a commenter named Dimitrius Rex was a black nationalist who wanted a separate black America. We got along just fine. To my mind, blacks are the most racist people in this country.

    Is your name really Okechukwu? If not, who are you to cast stones?

    The Civil War wasn’t fought in order to free the slaves. It was fought to stop traitorous white agribusiness from continuing to infest this country with blacks.

    Then the “winning” side lost.

    The reason for this is that you black men provide your people with the lowest quality of life on the planet.

    On the other hand, sitting around under a shade tree drinking tea with your homeboys while your womenfolk do all the productive work would be seen as a very high standard of living by some. Some here, even.

    Spare me the litany of past injustice. The greater truth is that for 400 years white men have been showing you how it’s done.

    Change “400″ to “70″ and “white men” to “Jews”, and the “you” that follows could apply just as easily to Palestinian Arabs. But, boy, would you get a different reaction here!

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  178. @Twodees Partain
    Funny, isn't it, how this 'tard can launch a typical "hate whitey" spiel when he is so obviously white himself? It does serve to illustrate how jews use their racial claim of being a race other than white when it serves their purpose and later use their religious claim of being of a unique faith as explanation of their special identity when that suits their purpose.

    Ordinary white leftists jump right in, bashing white people as a race and thinking that they have the same "right" to do so as jews do. They forget that the other races will still see them as white.

    Funny, isn’t it, how this ‘tard can launch a typical “hate whitey” spiel when he is so obviously white himself?

    Not to mention gay.

    That’s true of quite a pie wedge of the loony left. E.g., Ladd Everett.

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  179. @Marc3211
    Whites reflexively stop breeding with minority proximity. As the distance to minorities increases, so does breeding. Its likely a reflexive psycho-genetic behavior that stops excess DNA contribution to minority populations, which creates smarter enemies. There is only on solution to jump-starting White breeding.

    Whites reflexively stop breeding with minority proximity. As the distance to minorities increases, so does breeding.

    Yeah, that Russian minority is sure keeping those Ukrainians, Poles, Slovaks, White Russians, Armenians, Estonians, Lithuanians, and Letts from doing it:

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  180. Okechukwu says:
    @Mark3211
    Sure. White supremacist trolls are "too dumb" but the world is figuratively convulsing at the thought of disallowing everyone else to live in White society, while no one gives two shits about the right to live among anyone else.

    This makes total sense and doesn't wreak of a need for rationalization and soothing self-talk whatsoever. Lets hurry up and make the right to lie with the dummies the world's priority.

    The truth is that the world prizes obtaining the genetics and the resultant society of those "too dumb" WNs. Which is why they are who they are.

    Sure. White supremacist trolls are “too dumb” but the world is figuratively convulsing at the thought of disallowing everyone else to live in White society, while no one gives two shits about the right to live among anyone else.

    I’d take you folks more seriously if you were as excised over whites living in non-white societies. Whites are all over the world, often in very privileged circumstances. On the other hand, Europe is one of the least diverse areas on earth. White nationalists often talk about Germany in terms of a so-called refugee invasion. Well I just returned from Germany and you’d have to work very hard to find a non-white person there. The same is true of the rest of Europe.

    The truth is that the world prizes obtaining the genetics and the resultant society of those “too dumb” WNs. Which is why they are who they are

    .
    Keep telling yourself that. I see no evidence of that in actuality. Evidence does indicate a desire among many whites (women in particular) to birth half-black children. They consider such mixed children more beautiful. I have personal experience of this.

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  181. Anonymous[140] • Disclaimer says:
    @AndrewR
    Civil war will come soon enough. The catalyst will likely be an economic depression, and that depression need only be deep enough to shut off the EBT spigot.

    I'd be lying if I said that I'm not ready to get it over with. Some days, I would go as far as to say I am looking forward to it. It won't be pretty, but nor will any future under the increasingly totalitarian left. The right us talking about muh constitution and muh laws, while the left wants its opponents dead. What compromise is to be had?

    Civil war will come soon enough.

    No it won’t. That’s not to say a civil war will never happen, but it won’t be any time soon. Name one established militant group or militia and their leaders and give me an outline of their ideology. Now name one one established militant group or militia and their leaders that is opposed to the first group and give me an outline of their ideology.

    You can’t name any potential belligerents because none exist at this point. When people are pissed off and motivated enough to stop bullshitting on the internet and hit the streets in their hundreds of thousands and present clearly articulated demands they wont back down from and are shot at by police or opposition instigators in a downward spiral of violence then you can start ruminating about civil war.

    Snowflake college students who are so afraid of life they need “safe spaces” and a few lightweight antifa thug “warriors” versus preppy ethnic nationalist and conservative public speakers and a handful of their angrier supporters are gonna kick off a civil war? Right…and the causes they are prepared to kill and die for are, what, “diversity” and “inclusive spaces” versus the right to speak freely as per the 1st amendment?

    Free speech is definitely a worthy cause but it takes a bit more to get thousands of people fired up enough to take up arms and form organized fighting groups. The snowflake antifa faction only “fight” if they know the cops are going to protect them and mommy is going to serve them ice tea after.

    So yeah, no civil war coming up any time soon.

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  182. when persons of any ideology stop debating with speech and start debating with real world actual violence .they have in the long run already lost the war of ideas. They may in fact stop some speakers for a time but in the longer run the very tactics of violence and intimidation will be used against them by people that truly are willing to die for what they believe they are protecting.their families, their cultures and the way of life that has made AMERICA great. what many on the left and in progressive circles fail to really comprehend………….. is that we who are not in the circle of their ideology….far far out number them, are better armed, trained, and willing to use whatever means necessary to stop this pollution of our ethical, moral and cultural life

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  183. KenH says:
    @Twodees Partain
    Ken, I doubt that this shill is black. He writes like a typical white SJW.

    The thought crossed my mind. Maybe he’s transracial. Maybe he’s transracial and transgender.

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  184. @wayfarer
    Still coming to terms with some apparent "cosmic truth,” that we're on an “eternal journey” of the soul.

    I mean this journey in itself has been one hell of a roller-coaster ride, can't imagine riding out more, indefinitely into eternity!

    So it's going to be the life of a cosmic pirate and highwayman, for me.

    But along the eternal way, I'll hope to make our cosmos a better place, to be.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFSA8-pxrqc

    In 36,500 days everybody alive today, with a few exceptions, will be dead. We, almost all of us, will have been replaced.
    That’s over seven billion funerals in that time span. Our time here is short. (As noted before by thinkers greater than us ).
    We have a moral obligation to all those who never got a chance at life, to enjoy, to the best of our ability, whatever experience life gives us. My opinion, of course.

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