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In response to Ron Unz’s “The Remarkable Historiography of David Irving”, this note will pick up on and elucidate the reader-comment to that from James N. Kennett, which stated: “It seemed to me that the problem with his work was not the possible inaccuracy of the details that he included – but the things he had left out. Anyone can tell a good story by leaving out the evidence that does not fit. Irving also coined the phrase ‘the Auschwitz Survivors, Survivors of the Holocaust, and Other Liars—A.S.S.H.O.L.E.S.’ You don’t have to be a supporter of the Holocaust Industry to realise that this is crass insensitivity, and an ahistorical insult to those who did survive. Far from indicating a historian of unique genius, it is the product of a perverted mind.” (I have added the link there — it wasn’t provided by Kennett — to an apt comment about it that had been posted at “Good Reads.”)

My 2000 book WHY the Holocaust Happened (the publisher subsequently went out of business, and so it’s no longer available) discusses both the history and the historiography of the Holocaust; and, while the writings of David Irving are not mentioned there (but more ‘respectable’ proponents of his ‘weak dictator’ interpretation of Hitler were), it presented, regarding Mr. Irving, lots of (as Kennett has put it), “the things he had left out,” and that I think invalidate Irving’s works, because the motivation behind those omissions is clear and is not considered acceptable by most historians. Here are some of those omissions — things left out altogether, or else unjustifiably denigrated, by Irving — (with page-references to where the given excerpts appear in my book):

Pages 229-230:

Despite the transparent frauds of the Holocaust-deniers inside and outside academia, there is no serious question that the Holocaust existed and that it constituted a crime of unimaginably vast scope. Equally without doubt — again notwithstanding hoaxers both inside and outside the universities — is the fact that Adolf Hitler held the motive for the crime, and that the Nazi Party and the other perpetrators “on the ground” were his instruments in carrying it out. According to Adolf Eichmann, Chief of the Bureau for Jewish Affairs at the Reich Security Headquarters, in his 1983 Eichmann Interrogated (p. 75), it was in August or September 1941 that his boss “Heydrich sent for me. I reported. … He began with a little speech, then said, ‘The Führer has ordered physical extermination.’ These were his words. … The Führer had ordered the physical extermination of the Jews.” And (xxii, 92) Eichmann also acknowledged that by no later than 21 September 1939, Heydrich had made known to him the “basic conception” of “the physical extermination of the Jews” as “the ultimate aim” that was “promulgated by Hitler.” Eichmann’s recollection was exact to the day: Heydrich’s official order, referring to “the final goal (which will require a lengthy period),” was dated 21 September 1939. On 31 July 1941 Göring instructed Heydrich to draw up detailed plans for “the desired final solution of the Jewish question” (document 710-PS in Trial of the Major War Criminals). Hitler’s signature even appears on the document (630-PS) dated 1 September 1939 authorizing the “euthanasia” of the disabled and other “incurables.” The physicians had wanted that in writing, and got it. And in his Secret Conversations (Table Talk) of 21 October 1941, Hitler concluded his long tirade against Jews: “By exterminating this pest, we shall do humanity a service of which our soldiers can have no idea.” Himmler publicly stated in a speech on 24 February 1943 that this was necessary in order to have “exterminated a bacterium because we do not want in the end to be infected by the bacterium and die of it.” Hitler’s guilt in the Holocaust is beyond any reasonable doubt, regardless of what neo-Nazis say.

p.218:

By January 1939, Hitler’s official policy was for the expulsion of all Jews. By June 1940, it was for their expulsion specifically to Madagascar — a goal even less practicable than expulsion itself, since the “Madagascar Plan” required as prerequisites the defeat of both France and England, and could thus realistically not even be considered as a short-term measure which is what it was presented as being. Hitler knew better. And along the way, he skillfully set up numerous highly visible public displays of the unwillingness of foreign nations to accept the flood of dispossessed Jews that he was offering as refugees. (As Rudolph Binion noted in his 1976 Hitler Among the Germans, pp. 29-30, Hitler had even fired Reichsbank chief Hjalmar Schacht early in 1939 because Schacht had been too effective in promoting the expulsion of Jews; and both Binion, and Richard Breitman’s 1991 The Architect of Genocide, pp. 50-1, documented that even Hitler had acknowledged that expulsion of Jews was really intended as nothing more than “exporting anti-Semitism.”) Hitler gleefully observed the embarrassment of other countries that proclaimed their opposition to anti-Semitism but that turned a cold shoulder to these desperate refugees. Hitler was trying expulsion; other nations just refused to receive what he was offering them. The United States, for example, not only did not increase its immigration-quota for Jews; it failed even to admit as many Jews as the official quota permitted. David S. Wyman’s 1984 The Abandonment of the Jews documents (pp. 100, 365, 410) the repeated refusal of President Franklin D. Roosevelt to meet with Jewish leaders to deal with the problem, and also establishes the President’s own personal knowledge of the Nazis’ anti-Semitic exterminations. For Hitler, such international response was itself part of the “sleepwalking” toward genocide. By the time of the Wannsee Conference on 20 January 1942 to coordinate the actions of all state agencies involved with the “final solution,” all participants were reading their respective roles from a playbook written by none other than the Führer himself. And by that time, they were all prepared for those roles — knew them by heart, actually. When three days later, on 23 January, Hitler in his Secret Conversations (Table-Talk) addressed Himmler sarcastically about the matter, Himmler understood very well what he meant by saying of his policy toward the Jews, “I’m extraordinarily humane. … But if they refuse to leave voluntarily, I see no other solution than extermination.”

Page 15:

Obviously, the Holocaust occurred within the context of a World War; yet it actually drained the attention of Hitler and of his fighting forces away from the war-effort, needlessly hardened the worldwide opposition to Germany, and transformed into outright enemies talented people who might otherwise have been neutral or even supportive as “patriotic Germans.” Judged purely as a military tactic, the Holocaust was at best dubious, and at worst counter-productive. Horst von Maltitz perceptively observed in this regard in his 1973 The Evolution of Hitler’s Germany (p. 171), that “railroad transport trains carrying Jews from the West to extermination camps in Poland were given priority over trains for urgently needed troops and war supplies. Moreover, skilled Jewish laborers, desperately needed in the munitions plants in occupied Poland, were carted off to extermination centers, in spite of strong objections by plant managers.” And according to the Polish Ambassador, Jan Ciechanowski, in his 1947 Defeat in Victory (p. 179), he had personally handed U.S. President Roosevelt in the White House on 28 July 1943 a memo that, “The unprecedented destruction of the entire Jewish population is not motivated by Germany’s military requirements. Hitler and his subordinates aim at the total destruction of the Jews before the war ends and regardless of its outcome.” The basic question thus is posed: what was the relationship between Germany’s war effort and the Holocaust? Which served which; what was Hitler’s ultimate objective?

The Führer’s words right before his suicide — his final, supreme, statement of his war-aims — urged his people to continue the war, until victory, against what he held to be the sole real enemy: “the poisoner of all nations, international Jewry.” The enemy for him was Jews in all nations; this also sheds light on why over 96% of the Jews slaughtered in the Holocaust did not come from Germany. We shall indeed show that, for Hitler, defeat of the enemy entailed nothing less than the extermination of all Jews.

In other words, for Hitler, the Holocaust — the “final solution” — was not a military device, it was a military goal; in fact, it was the central military goal, which took precedence over even the expansion of Lebensraum. In order to understand why the Holocaust happened, it therefore is necessary to understand why Hitler hated Jews so fanatically and so obsessively that nothing less than their total extermination would satisfy him.

Those are the key excerpts regarding the viewpoint that David Irving presents.

Irving states that Hitler didn’t know about whatever extermination of the world’s Jews was intended, if any was intended. However, Irving doesn’t deny that local exterminations were carried out. Irving alleges that Hitler’s subordinates knew about and wanted these local atrocities, but that Hitler wanted only that Jews be expelled from everywhere to be sent to Madagascar. However, such expulsion was actually the intention and expectation of Hitler’s finance-chief, Hjalmar Schacht, and Hitler finally demoted him, perhaps for that very reason. Hitler certainly didn’t want Schacht to know what his plans for the Jews actually were. Hitler just wanted some rich Jews to buy their ways out, since he tried to postpone for as long as possible anyone’s knowledge of what his intended “Final Solution to the Jewish problem” actually was. Furthermore, as my book noted, Hitler wanted to make things as difficult for FDR and for Churchill as he could. He did everything possible to avoid leaks regarding what his intentions were, and especially regarding why he held those intentions. Also, Irving noted, in a footnote, that Eichmann had testified to having been informed by Heydrich that “The Führer has ordered physical extermination,” but Irving simply dismissed that by saying: “There is no primary or secondary documentary support for such a statement. This kind of evidence, of course, would not suffice in an English magistrate’s court to convict a vagabond of bicycle stealing.” He dismisses everything that doesn’t fit with his image of Hitler — “probably the weakest leader Germany has known this century,” as Irving said in the Introduction to the 1977 edition of Hitler’s War. The 1991 edition changed this to “Hitler was a far less omnipotent Führer than had been believed, and his grip on his subordinates had weakened with each passing year.” Of course, that’s saying the closer that events got to the actual perpetration of the Holocaust, the less responsible for whatever it was, Hitler was, in Irving’s view. To Irving, Germans were tragic victims, but many of them overreacted to the abuses that they had received from Britain, Jews, communists, and some others.

While my book doesn’t mention Irving, it does deal extensively with (among others) a writer about the Holocaust who seems to hate Germans as much as Irving seems to hate Jews: Daniel Goldhagen. The problem with both writers is that they are tribal (one a “Jew” and the other an “Aryan” — i.e., pureblooded Christian, or, at least, not “Jew”), though writing from the opposite tribal standpoints. To be a historian, instead of merely some kind of propagandist, requires abandonment of any tribalism at all. Unfortunately, Goldhagen’s tribalism is considered acceptable, whereas Irving’s isn’t. Today’s Palestinians — and many others — are victims of Goldhagen’s particular form of tribalism. But perhaps as the Holocaust recedes from view, with the passage of the decades, tribalism itself is becoming fashionable again, too. In fact, tribalism seems to be coming into vogue again throughout the world. Look, for example, at what the U.S. Government and its Saudi and UAE partners are doing to the Houthis, a Shiite tribe, in Yemen. Even genocide is becoming ‘acceptable’ again (certainly to America’s Government and its allies). The restoration of Irving to ‘acceptability’ is just a part of that broader trend.

 

Investigative historian Eric Zuesse is the author, most recently, of They’re Not Even Close: The Democratic vs. Republican Economic Records, 1910-2010, and of CHRIST’S VENTRILOQUISTS: The Event that Created Christianity.

 
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  1. I’m sorry. I’d be all for reading a coherent summary of the evidence that Hitler did order the Holocaust — but this ain’t it.

    I got half-way through the second excerpt before I gave up. We’d already logged one fact that argued against Hitler having ordered the Holocaust — his willingness to sign an order for the euthanasia program. Obviously — or one would think it was obvious — a demonstrated willingness to sign other orders for mass murder hardly bolsters the case for the argument that Hitler wanted the Holocaust but was unwilling to issue a written order for it.

    Then we have a simple irrelevancy — Himmler’s acknowledgment of the Holocaust. Then there’s a misrepresentation of the facts. Supposedly, Hitler was being grossly and consciously unrealistic when he proposed the Madagascar Plan in June 1940 because that would have required the defeat of France and Britain.

    Ahem. France was defeated in June 1940. Hitler did indeed think Britain was as well. So it would seem that the Madagascar Plan was proposed in all seriousness. Far from France and Britain being defeated being a pipe-dream, that June it seemed to be a reality.

    Finally, we have the claim that Schacht was fired because he was too successful at resettling Jews.

    ! Schacht was fired because he wouldn’t endorse Hitler’s increasingly risky ploys to finance rearmament — not because he succeeded in driving Jews out of Germany.

    I am skeptical of Irving’s thesis; it’s distinctly improbable that one could murder six million people without the nation’s leader even noticing. As I say, I’m all for reading an article that effectively marshals the evidence for the counter-argument. This piece isn’t it, however.

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    Ahem. France was defeated in June 1940.
     
    You never saw Casablanca? Remember where Rick and Captain Renault decide to go at the end? Brazzaville:

    During World War II Brazzaville and the rest of French Equatorial Africa remained beyond the control of Vichy France; the city served as the capital of France Libre from 1940–1943.
     
    , @jilles dykstra
    " I am skeptical of Irving’s thesis; it’s distinctly improbable that one could murder six million people without the nation’s leader even noticing "

    But what if it did not happen ?
    Even jew Klemperer wusste nicht, those he visited after the Dresden bombing made it possible to travel to old acquintences, new identity, far away, did not even know that jews were persecuted.
    ANONYMOUS, ‘The Myth of Six Million’, Los Angelos, 1973, 1969
    Victor Klemperer, ‘I will bear witness, A diary of the Nazi years, 1942-1945’, New York 1999
    , @Heros

    "it’s distinctly improbable that one could murder six million people without the nation’s leader even noticing. "
     
    Actually, the claim is 11 million of which 5 million were "gypsies, homosexuals, communists, etc". One gigantic problem the holohoaxers have is that they were already forced to walk back the claims that there were gas chambers in what is now Germany, so all these 11 million had to have been gassed/exterminated in what is now Poland, who will not allow any forensics on these 11 million to be undertaken. Poland, the nation who helped cover up Katyn for the Bolsheviks to pin it all on Germany during the sham Nuremburg trials. How convenient.

    But the math simply does not work, so what we have is narrative collapse, yet certain people like Eric Zeuss or Colin Wright choose to cling to certain "facts" that were parts of a narrative that has been proven to be false in so many places. This holocaust narrative actually goes back to the Tsar's "pogroms" when the jewish run US media already started pushing the 6 million dead in a holocaust. This narrative was repeated through the entire second world war:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sb-glOFJ3OU

    Ben Hecht sent the "we will never die" broadway pageant touring across the US in March 1943 to whip up sympathy for the same jews who had declared war on Germany in 1933. Jews were already claiming 2 million dead in 1942, but we know that was a lie. Theodore Kaufman wrote "Germany Must Perish" in 1940, before Auschwitz was even opened. This was used as the basis for the Morgentau plan which was leaked in 1944.

    So Germany and the Germans knew what the jews had planned for them even before the firebombing of Hamburg, Dresden, Berlin and the mass murder of millions of German civilians in bombing raids on civilian areas. Then in 1945 came the Hellstorm in the east and Eisenhowers Rhine Meadows death camps in the west. Real death camps with real bodies and real concentration camps filled with Germans across Siberia.

    If we deconstruct the narrative further, what we have is the jews setting Germany up with the stab in the back of 1918, jews bankrupting Germany with the reparations they agreed to in Versaille, jews declaring war on Germany in 1933, jews broadcasting that they were going to commit genocide on Germans and Germany when the war was over, then jews actually committing this genocide, then jews conducting sham trials where they project their own guilt onto the Germans for the murders and atrocities they committed (Katyn), then they implement the Morganthau plan as promised and starve millions of Germans and strip out all her industry and enslave the men while they try to mongrelize the women left behind. That is the true history of how rotten the jews are, not the kosher narrative of they how much they are persecuted.

    I think the point here is that if the Germans had conducted the holocaust, they would have been justified. However, the ultimate insult is that the people who conducted the real holocaust are still extracting reparations from Germany for the crimes they committed against the comparatively far more innocent Germany.

    It can come as no surprise then that they are willing to lock up old ladies for "holocaust denial". Bravo, Eric Zeuss and Colin Wright, for standing up for the kosher narrative.

    , @Wally
    Show is the alleged remains of 6,000,000 Jews & 5,000,000 others that are claimed to to exist to this day in alleged known locations.Many are even marked as such.
    Now see these:
    Sobibor ‘monument’ supposedly over the remains of 250,000 Jew, actual remains of the alleged 250,000 cannot be shown.
    https://www.scrapbookpages.com/Poland/Sobibor/SobiborMonument04.jpg

    Alleged “ash pond” for 1,100,000 Jew remains at Auschwitz, no actual remains can be shown.
    https://furtherglory.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/ashpondandsauna.jpg?w=300&h=198

    Alleged location of Treblinka mass graves / remains for 900,000 Jews according to Treblinka officials, no alleged remains can be shown
    https://www.scrapbookpages.com/Poland/Treblinka/Treblinka29.jpg

    www.codoh.com
    , @Wally
    As for Zuess's laughably cited 'Eichmann Interrogated', READ ALL OF THIS:

    - even "holocaust historian" Browning said:
    "Clearly, anyone who wants to dismiss Eichmann’s testimonies on the grounds of their demonstrated unreliability and shameless self-serving lies can easily do so, and many of my colleagues have done precisely this."

    from: Eichmann Interrogated, transcripts from the Archives of the Israeli Police, edited by Jochen von Lang in collaboration with Claus Sibyll. Translated from the German by Ralph Manheim. Farrar, Straus, and Giroux, New York, 1983, 293pp:

    - Eichmann claims to have witnessed mass slaughter on a grand scale at Auschwitz in the fall of 1941, where the camp commandant, Rudolf Hoess, informed him that the great, factory-like buildings, the chimneys of which belch smoke, are "working to capacity: Ten thousand!"
    This is months before the Auschwitz typhus control crematoria were constructed, let alone in use.
    - Eichmann talks of Treblinka - but then he's not sure if it's Treblinka - where he says gassings were being carried out with a submarine engine (diesel); he claims at places near Minsk and Lemberg, mass shootings were taking place, including one mass grave from which he said:
    "blood was gushing out ... like a geyser"
    .
    IOW, he copied Wiesel who said the same absurd thing.

    - On Treblinka of 1941, Eichmann claimed gassings were carried out with the insecticide Zyklon-B. Treblinka, however, is supposed not to have been functioning as an extermination center until the summer of 1942, nor was Zyklon-B ever claimed to have been employed there.

    - Eichmann even offers substantiation for the six-million claim-he says he's worked out the numbers from reading ***Jewish almanacs***, he persistently rejects the accusation that he was the organizer of the "Final Solution" or the "flywheel of the extermination machine."

    - The 'holocaust' Industry's own Mark Roseman said: Both Rudolf Hoess's and Eichmann's testimonies lack credibility.

    - much more on Eichmann Interrogated:
    http://vho.org/GB/Journals/JHR/6/2/OKeefe237-240.html

    I dare anyone to bring up Eichmann's alleged 'diary'.
    www.codoh.com

    , @Wally
    David Irving found this:

    How the Film Evidence at Nuremberg was faked
    From the files of Justice Robert H Jackson, US chief prosecutor at Nuremberg.

    http://www.fpp.co.uk/History/General/Nbg/DeanIMT161145.html

    www.codoh.com
    , @Florin N
    So the best evidence is from a guy tortured by the allies after the war - this is supposed to be a serious reply to Irving?

    the author has not come close to doing so.

    I’m less skeptical of Hitler ordering extermination verbally than I am of 6 million - a
    mythic number for orthodox jews. Indeed that number is not at all well supported, while the sacred/mystical use if that number is in evidence for decades before the war.

    http://balder.org/judea/Six-Million-140-Occurrences-Of-The-Word-Holocaust-And-The-Number-6,000,000-Before-The-Nuremberg-Trials-Began.php

    To me, what is important is not a conclusion but the freedom to DOUBT. In all history only this crime against Jews is a crime to doubt.

    Which gives one reason to doubt it.


    It is similar to the notion we must not criticize Jews or Judaism... the ‘sacred eternal victim’ is above it... even when conmitting war crimes.
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  2. FKA Max says: • Website

    This is slightly off-topic, but I wanted to share this book review for a while, and I think this the appropriate venue to do so:

    Looking Back in Anger

    Reviewed by Peter Novick
    Sunday, May 1, 2005

    BURIED BY THE TIMES

    The Holocaust and America’s

    Most Important Newspaper

    By Laurel Leff. Cambridge Univ. 426 pp.

    And there was sometimes a calculated reason for deemphasizing special Jewish victimhood. Americans were far more focused on the Japanese than on the German enemy (“Remember Pearl Harbor”). That the Nazis were the enemy of the Jews was well known; the task was to portray Nazi Germany as the mortal enemy of “free men everywhere.” Hence the (sometimes exaggerated) emphasis on other victims. And, given continued high levels of anti-Semitism in the United States, not emphasizing Hitler’s war against the Jews was an attempt to sidestep the claim that America was engaged in a war for the Jews.
    [...]
    In the United States the Zionist Jewish Frontier warned against forgetting “what was done to the Czechs, the Poles, the Jews, the Russians.” Universalizing the portrayal of Nazi barbarism was a common strategy to discredit the idea that the war against Nazi Germany was a war for the Jews. One can argue, as Leff does, that this concern was exaggerated, but if ever a strategy was “well meant,” this was it.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/04/28/AR2005042801313.html Archived link: http://archive.is/unVm6 Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buried_by_the_Times#cite_note-10

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    From quite a few books one can learn that FDR, Churchill and Stalin did anything they could to prevent the idea that WWII was a jewish war.
    The jewish declaration of war on the Hitler regime of 1933 is seldom mentioned, yet USA newspapers had big headlines 'Judea declares war on Germany'.
    In the Netherlands in WWII the underground press reported about death camps, those living at the time did not believe it, a relative told me.
    Another relative was convinced that those deported faced death, do not know why.
    Faurisson read, if I remember correctly, 15.000 pages of WWII memoirs by FDR, Churchill, De Gaulle, etc.
    No mention of genocide on jews.
    Decoded Enigma messages made clear that far more entered the camps than left.
    Yet, at the end of 1944 Ben Gurion did not want the Auschwitz camps bombed 'jews might be killed'.
    The possibility that the majority of the deaths was causes by the camp management of inmates of course cannot be true.
    Yet even Elie Wiesel describes it.
    He never saw a gas chamber, just assumed that they existed.
    If now Israel succeeds in causing a world war, the last, nobody will survive, in the effort to get regime change in Teheran, who will see this last world war as a jewish war ?
    I will.
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  3. ‘…Hitler certainly didn’t want Schacht to know what his plans for the Jews actually were. Hitler just wanted some rich Jews to buy their ways out, since he tried to postpone for as long as possible anyone’s knowledge of what his intended “Final Solution to the Jewish problem” actually was…’

    If Hitler didn’t actually want the Jews to leave Germany, he was spectacularly ineffectual. Something like half of Germany’s Jews did succeed in leaving before the war. Ironically, Germany’s Jews would up with one of the higher rates of national survival among the various Jewish populations of Europe because of this. They were warned in good time, and got out.

    There probably is an effective counter-argument to Irving’s thesis out there. However, this ain’t it. The author presents us with a porridge of irrelevancies, inaccuracies, and even evidence that undermines his own thesis and supports Irving’s.

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    If Hitler didn’t actually want the Jews to leave Germany, he was spectacularly ineffectual. Something like half of Germany’s Jews did succeed in leaving before the war.
     
    I always wondered why only half left. If it was easy to leave for a multi-year window, why risk it at all? Were the ones who stayed the ones who owned too much land or had a business that they refused to abandon?
    , @Reinhard Horn

    "Ironically, Germany’s Jews would up with one of the higher rates of national survival among the various Jewish populations of Europe because of this."
     
    Must be alleged survival rates. The different death counts are certainly grossly exaggerated for propaganda purposes.
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  4. Thomm says:

    Speaking of Hitler, Roosh wrote a famous article about how White Trashionalists are using that as a crutch :

    http://www.rooshv.com/are-there-differences-in-race

    “I strongly suspect that active participation in white nationalist circles is a cover for feelings of personal inferiority.”

    He is way too generous. He says it is only ‘feelings’. I say it is outright, self-evident inferiority of defective whites relative to mainstream whites like me.

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    He is way too generous. He says it is only ‘feelings’. I say it is outright, self-evident inferiority of defective whites relative to mainstream whites like me.

    Defective or mainstream, the white race will be inferior in the pornified and thugged culture of rap and 'muh dick' jungle fever. Look at Europe. Macron says 200 million blacks will come in the next 20 yrs. These Negroes will be stronger and have bigger dongs than white men. They will whup inferior wussy white boys. 'Mainstream' or 'defective', it don't matter. And they will colonize white wombs.

    By rules of thuggery and 'muh dick', whites are inferior to blacks. But thug culture is the new culture.

    So, whites must resist and survive as an inferior race.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    Progressive whites are the most backward people on the planet. They think that buggery can consummate a marriage. Even the naked Yanomami aren't that stupid.
    , @RealAmericanValuesCirca1776Not1965

    I say it is outright, self-evident inferiority of defective whites
     
    Well, I don't think that anyone here will argue that you are a qualified expert on being inferior and defective to the point of self-evidence. You are an undeniable master of unhealthy obsessions. Each successive comment you post on this site serves only to further cement that truth.

    That said, Uncle Thomm, your blatant obsession with white 'trashionalists' is very heavy handed. Yet you don't seem to see it. You just trudge on, accusing others of being defective and inferior, all while somehow remaining utterly blind to the irony of your own words. Never actually having anything relevant to say. But never forgetting to top your posts off with a reminder to everyone about how you are white yourself . You really seem to go out of your way to reinforce that part. More than any actual white person realistically ever would, in fact. Mostly because believing that stating your skin color will in turn add some otherwise missing degree of substance or validation to their claims is a notoriously... shall we say 'negro' thing to do in America.

    mainstream whites like me.
     
    Oh, you so fly, mainstream white! Tell us how it do!

    Even among the delinquent Left, terms like 'white trashionalist' remain largely American negro buzz words only. 'AmeriKKKa' is another such example.

    And to use a source like Roosh to validate your own petty racism! How comically par for the course. ACTUAL scientists and their professional study of the differences between the races is just so.... racist, after all! Bunch of white trashionalists in lab coats, am I right? So why not just rely on some equally credible secondary sources, like swarthy Arab pick up artists. 10/10 my friend. Sound logic for... for a negro searching desperately for anything to assuage his own inferiority complex in lieu of valid science. /sarc

    Which brings me to my point. Despite your constant posturing, I highly doubt that anyone here actually believes you are white. I mean, if it's all just a mental hoop you have to jump through to psyche yourself up when you come here to talk your crap, then you do you. But I don't think anyone else is buying it. You can say you don't care, but you obviously do. The only thing you do as intensely as you throw around the term 'white trashionalist' around here is try to remind everyone else that you are white. I don't think you realize how obvious you are being. Which is hard to believe.

    That, and your rhetoric in general stinks of envy and you project like a dime-a-dozen college Red Guard zealot reading his social justice essay from the designated white-free campus safe space where he spends his time petting puppies and practicing how to properly draw the swastikas he intends to scribble in feces somewhere on campus and blame on the 'white trashionalists' to get media attention.

    Odds are overwhelming that you are black, that you feel inferior about yourself and your own race, and that those feelings have manifested as envious hatred towards the whites you come here to vent at by lambasting them with your petty hatred for daring to have their own identity like everyone else on the planet is entitled to. And then pathetically attempting to hide your tracks behind a digital 'white face' mask in a cheap bid to add some non-existent legitimacy to your petulant criticisms, and in turn (hopefully) avoid your fragile ego suffering any return fire from the community here, whom it seems you know would readily and irrefutably eviscerate that fragile disposition of yours even worse than they still do now if you were to (proudly?) admit you were black while speaking your hateful mind here.

    Good times, Uncle Thomm.
    , @Lyov Myshkin
    “I strongly suspect that active participation in white nationalist circles is a cover for feelings of personal inferiority.”

    I hate pathetic psychologizing -- it's an actual crutch for weak fools. However, by Roosh's own logic, what exactly does participation in the 'manosphere' say about him?

    Stones and glass and all.
    , @Svigor

    He is way too generous. He says it is only ‘feelings’. I say it is outright, self-evident inferiority of defective whites relative to mainstream whites like me.
     
    "Hello, fellow Whites!" said the WOG.
    , @Count de Money
    This is straight of out of the CultMarx playbook. The Frankfurt School's most successful and most fraudulent contribution to political discourse was "Our political enemies are not just wrong, they're mentally defective." The supposedly "scientifically proven" this in their magnum opus, Studies in Prejudice, a mix of Freudian pseudoscience and questions preselected or discarded in order to obtain a desired result. And your comment fits the template perfectly.

    Once you know about this rhetorical technique, you see it everywhere. The terms "racist", "homophobic", "xenophobic", "islamophobic", "transphobic", etc. all imply that the people it's directed at are mentally ill. In other words, "Don't listen to him, he's crazy." This is a perfect way to dismiss an argument without having to engage it. What's easier? Using facts and logic to dismantle someone's point, or just say "You're crazy, I win." Apparently you prefer the latter.

    Adorno, Horkheimer, Lowenthal, Bettelheim, et al (unabashed Marxists all) published this fraud in 1950 and it was immediately embraced by the academic community and, by now, this is the standard method of argumentation by the left, regardless of the topic. Whenever I hear this rhetoric, I immediately know who is really the mentally defective one. Like I said, once you know about it, it's everywhere.

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  5. I never questioned a word of it, not even the lampshades or the soap stories, until Irving was punished for his views. Since then, what I find to be “crass insensitivity, and an ahistorical insult” is the endless repetition of the Six Million Lie when in fact over 55 million people did die as a result of WWI, and “somehow” that incredible number has been relegated to a lesser place in history due to the creation of the Jewish victimhood meme. WWII was simply a continuation of WWI which was largely brought about, deliberately for the purpose of profit, control and creating a New World Order, by financiers in London and NY, most of whom claimed to be Jews.

    Certainly people of all stripes suffered, war by definition is evil, but since the word holocaust means a burnt offering I would think that the fire bombing of civilians in cities better fits that description than The Holocaust mythology based on gassings and incinerations on an industrial scale for which little to no hard evidence exists and much of what does can be shown to have been fabricated. It’s interesting also that both Britain and the US built a variety of four engined, long range, heavy bombers ideal for laying waste to large civilian centres whilst Germany built none.

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    Watch David Cole's Auschwitz document, I agree with noseytheDuke. It also doesn't make sense for the Germans to waste energy in transportation of Jews to the "Arbeit macht Frei" camps.
    , @Curmudgeon
    Like you, I never questioned the official narrative. In fairness, any time the topic was raised, my parents, if near enough to hear, shut down the conversation quickly. In retrospect, it was obvious that they thought it was bullshit.
    My awakening came with the Zundel trials in Toronto. Despite an obviously hostile judge, Zundel's lawyer, the late Doug Christie, made fools out of author Raul Hilberg, pathological liar Rudolf Vrba (whose hearsay evidence was the basis for Nuremberg), and "survivor" Arnold Friedman, prisoner number B14515 and his coloured smoke from crematoria story. Zundel's own witnesses, which included "death camp survivors" Irving in the 2nd trial, and experts in their fields, demonstrated the physical impossibility of the gas chamber and crematoria narratives.
    The trial transcripts are available online. Although a tedious read it becomes comedy when the prosecution witnesses, in answers to Christie's questions, utterly destroy their own credibility.
    , @Anonymous
    I'm sorry that you only took part of the defective batch of red pills when and because, irrelevantly, you were upset at Irving being punished for what you trustingly - and strictly inaccurately - call his "views". If the indignant brain can be switched on again you might try setting aside the fact that lots of nasty destructive things were done in the 20th century that had nothing much to do with Hitler and the Jews and reset your starting point by studying the previous history of German anti-Semitism (and you might look at the willingness to commit genocide in Namibia in still high fertility days), the Kaiser suggesting exterminating the Jews with gas as, a comment elsewhere has noted, and Hitler's long record of obsessive anti-Semitism. Hence the betrayal by a once great nation of Western civilization. Leave off treating as an issue whether the total number was 4 million or 6 million out of about 11 million. The Jews were Hitler's leading candidates for extermination, as the mass deportations of women, children and old people from Western Europe should on its own be almost enough to wrap it up.
    , @Wally
    Zuesse wrote:

    "Hitler in his Secret Conversations (Table-Talk) addressed Himmler sarcastically about the matter, Himmler understood very well what he meant by saying of his policy toward the Jews, “I’m extraordinarily humane. … But if they refuse to leave voluntarily, I see no other solution than extermination.”

    Except Hitler never said that.

    Zionist Zuesse steps on yet another landmine, highly recommended:

    Hitler's “Table Talk”: A Study in Academic Fraud & Scandal
    by Veronica Clark
    https://www.inconvenienthistory.com/9/3/4880

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  6. peterAUS says:

    Good article, overall.

    Of particular interest:

    ……what was the relationship between Germany’s war effort and the Holocaust? Which served which; what was Hitler’s ultimate objective?

    with

    …..it was the central military goal, which took precedence over even the expansion of Lebensraum.

    Feels, just, too focused on one man and military matters only. War effort is a bit more than just “military matter”.
    I’d just rephrase into:

    ……what was the relationship between Germany’s war effort and the Holocaust? Which served which; what was the Nazi regime ultimate objective?

    with

    …..it was the central war objective, which took precedence over even the expansion of Lebensraum.

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  7. Thomm says:
    @Colin Wright
    '...Hitler certainly didn’t want Schacht to know what his plans for the Jews actually were. Hitler just wanted some rich Jews to buy their ways out, since he tried to postpone for as long as possible anyone’s knowledge of what his intended “Final Solution to the Jewish problem” actually was...'

    If Hitler didn't actually want the Jews to leave Germany, he was spectacularly ineffectual. Something like half of Germany's Jews did succeed in leaving before the war. Ironically, Germany's Jews would up with one of the higher rates of national survival among the various Jewish populations of Europe because of this. They were warned in good time, and got out.

    There probably is an effective counter-argument to Irving's thesis out there. However, this ain't it. The author presents us with a porridge of irrelevancies, inaccuracies, and even evidence that undermines his own thesis and supports Irving's.

    If Hitler didn’t actually want the Jews to leave Germany, he was spectacularly ineffectual. Something like half of Germany’s Jews did succeed in leaving before the war.

    I always wondered why only half left. If it was easy to leave for a multi-year window, why risk it at all? Were the ones who stayed the ones who owned too much land or had a business that they refused to abandon?

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    I always wondered why only half left. If it was easy to leave for a multi-year window, why risk it at all?
     
    One problem was finding a place that would take you in, no?
    , @Colin Wright
    'I always wondered why only half left. If it was easy to leave for a multi-year window, why risk it at all? Were the ones who stayed the ones who owned too much land or had a business that they refused to abandon?'

    Well, (1) German Jews were very assimilated; rates of intermarriage, etc were very high. German Jews were Germans, and until Kristallnacht the general hope seems to have been that it would all somehow blow over.

    (2) It wasn't so easy to get out; few countries wanted immigrants at all, much less Jews.

    Nevertheless, by the time war broke out, those left were disproportionately the poor and elderly. Obviously, for these groups, somehow getting abroad and making a new life were particularly daunting prospects. After all, thirty year old Colin might be perfectly willing to move to New Zealand, and so would sixty year old Colin if he had a few million dollars. Impoverished, elderly Colin would find the prospect daunting, and anyway, New Zealand probably wouldn't let him in.
    , @jilles dykstra
    In 1938, it seems, the relationship between German jews and the Hitler regime had stabilised.
    Therefore, again, it seems, jewry provoked the Kristallnacht by murdering a German diplomat in Paris.
    René d’Argile, etc., Das Geheimnis um die Ursachen des Zweiten Weltkrieges, Wiesbaden 1958 ( Les Originals Secrêtes de la Guerre 1939 – 1945, Paris 1958).
    , @animalogic
    They were often poor (I'm not 100% sure but I believe it cost a lot to "get out" of Germany)
    , @denjae
    My long-time girlfriend.

    Born 1930 - USA (Yeah, we're old people.)

    To German-Jewish-American parents, who immigrated post-WW1
    and became employed by one of the Rockefeller’s.

    Traveled with parents to Germany, mid-late-1930’s, to visit relatives.

    Contracted pertussis (“whooping cough” “100-day cough.”) Re-entry to USA was refused. Remained behind with relatives to recover, return to USA.

    War ensued.

    Was hidden from Nazis by Jewish and non-Jewish families alike.

    Then came close to being fire-bombed to death by USA . . . Dresden.

    Found and re-united, post-war, 1945 with parents in USA.

    Miracle indeed.

    , @Frank Hilliard
    The ones who stayed were 'progressives' who believed in assimilation. The realists and Zionists (not always the same people) got out as soon as they could.
    , @Skeptikal
    "I always wondered why only half left."

    The genuinely curious can solve this riddle fairly easily!
    And rid themselves of their 20-20 hindsight syndrome at the same time.
    Many memoirs have been written that describe the excrutiating decisions that relatively assimilated Jews in Germany and Austria faced--that is, business owners with extended families, etc. who really had a lot to lose and whose family members often were not on the same page about going or staying---and where to go to hunker down?
    Getting a ticket, getting a visa, getting a spouse out of Dachau---getting out of Germany and Austria required a lot of moxie, some money, somewhere to go, often, somd kind of official protection (say, from a friend who was in the Party and could fix something).
    The policy of the Third Reich was an evolving thing after 1933. the Final Solution wasn't not the official policy until after the war started. It was always problematical and a source of internal conflict because the Reich also needed the Jews (and others) for slave labor to run the economy. Recall that it was the SS that ran the concentration/extermination/labor camps. Not the German government per se. The SS was a huge economic organization and there were a lot of internal contradictions concerning the three functions of the camps.
    Some smart, educated, assimilated Germans saw the writing on the wall, and if they had some foreign contacts who could help them arrange an exit visa, then an entry visa in another country, and maybe a way to transfer some funds, could fix something.
    However, many businessmen and others in the financial sector or owners of various types of businesses/companies were conflicted because they were German, and they felt that by leaving they would provide fuel for the "Jewish conspiracy" charges that Jews were trying to bring down the German economy.
    Another twist is that it was extremely difficult to get any money out of Germany. In the early thirties the Reich needed cash. In fact, one reason for getting Jews to emigrate was to seize their assets in return for permission to leave. Many Jewish wills just disappeared.
    Another thing: Some Gentiles who had married Jews thought that it would suffice to send the Mischling children out of Germany---if they could afford it. They themselves would stay. Many families were torn apart by such considerations.
    Etc. Etc. Etc.
    Speaking of 20-20 hindsight, it might be worthwhile to ask why more Americans don't leave this country now. The quality of life is so much higher in many other countries. Soooooo?????? What gives?
    Oh, maybe it is not so easy to just pick up and start living in another country, esp. if one is past one's twenties or thirties. How many here ever even managed to live outside the USA for any period of time? Or even possess a passport?
    20-20!!
    , @jilles dykstra
    Not all German jews were rich.
    Many were poor, ran small businesses.
    A joke was 'a jewish watchmaker for any watch'.
    And where could they go, not even the USA allowed them to enter.
    A ship with jewish refugees left Hamburg, tried S American countries, etc., and returned to Hamburg.
    Just those with money or connections, or both, could leave.
    This is what Merkel was referring to, when explaining her Willkommen 'es war einmal anders', 'in the past it was different'.
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  8. Mabuse says:

    It’s not A.S.S.H.O.L.E.S “The Auschwitz Survivors, Survivors of the Holocaust, and Other Liars”; it’s
    ASSHOL: Association of Spurious Survivors of the Holocaust and Other Liars.

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  9. Funny, really funny.
    No matter who ordered Holo.
    Mr. Adolf organised the totalitarian Germany -> was an enabler of Holo.
    Perfectly normal Germans (not the SS, not the KL guards) killed over 200 000 KL prisoners in spring 1945, during the Death Marches through Lover Silesia.
    They did it because The State told them they can and they should.
    No matter who ordered – grandpa Hitler signed under all this and he was responsible.

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    Right. It's like Stalin and Mao didn't order all the bloodbaths but created the system that made such possible. They must take the blame.
    , @peterAUS
    Agree.
    , @Curmudgeon

    the Death Marches through Lover Silesia.
     
    The problem with the "death marches", such as the "death march" from Auschwitz, is that the prisoners left voluntarily. Do you not find it curious that Elie Weeeeezzzzzel and his father, who was hospitalized in the "death camp", chose to leave with the "evil" Nazis instead of waiting for the Soviet liberators?
    Polish hatred for Germans is alive and well.
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  10. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Colin Wright
    I'm sorry. I'd be all for reading a coherent summary of the evidence that Hitler did order the Holocaust -- but this ain't it.

    I got half-way through the second excerpt before I gave up. We'd already logged one fact that argued against Hitler having ordered the Holocaust -- his willingness to sign an order for the euthanasia program. Obviously -- or one would think it was obvious -- a demonstrated willingness to sign other orders for mass murder hardly bolsters the case for the argument that Hitler wanted the Holocaust but was unwilling to issue a written order for it.

    Then we have a simple irrelevancy -- Himmler's acknowledgment of the Holocaust. Then there's a misrepresentation of the facts. Supposedly, Hitler was being grossly and consciously unrealistic when he proposed the Madagascar Plan in June 1940 because that would have required the defeat of France and Britain.

    Ahem. France was defeated in June 1940. Hitler did indeed think Britain was as well. So it would seem that the Madagascar Plan was proposed in all seriousness. Far from France and Britain being defeated being a pipe-dream, that June it seemed to be a reality.

    Finally, we have the claim that Schacht was fired because he was too successful at resettling Jews.

    ! Schacht was fired because he wouldn't endorse Hitler's increasingly risky ploys to finance rearmament -- not because he succeeded in driving Jews out of Germany.

    I am skeptical of Irving's thesis; it's distinctly improbable that one could murder six million people without the nation's leader even noticing. As I say, I'm all for reading an article that effectively marshals the evidence for the counter-argument. This piece isn't it, however.

    Ahem. France was defeated in June 1940.

    You never saw Casablanca? Remember where Rick and Captain Renault decide to go at the end? Brazzaville:

    During World War II Brazzaville and the rest of French Equatorial Africa remained beyond the control of Vichy France; the city served as the capital of France Libre from 1940–1943.

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    And surely you must have seen "the Fighting Kentuckian" with John Wayne. Following Napoleon's Waterloo defeat and the exile of his officers and their families from France, the U.S.Congress, in 1817, granted four townships in the Alabama territory to the exiles. Led by Colonel Georges Geraud and General Paul DeMarchand, the struggling settlers have made a thriving community, called Demopolis, by the summer of 1819. On a shopping trip to Mobile, Fleurette DeMarchand, the General's daughter, meets John Breen, a Kentucky rifleman, who detours his regiment through Demopolis to court her. But Fleurette, despite her wish to marry for love, must bow to the needs of her fellow exiles, who are at the mercy of the rich and wealthy Blake Randolph, and who wants her as his bride. But John Breen has no intention of allowing that to happen, resigns from his regiment, and takes up the fight against Randolph and his hirelings. If Congress had not taken away their land grants they would surely have returned and reconquered France.

    And then there was "La Resistance." And then there were the Moon Landings. You must have seen the Moon Landings?

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  11. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Thomm

    If Hitler didn’t actually want the Jews to leave Germany, he was spectacularly ineffectual. Something like half of Germany’s Jews did succeed in leaving before the war.
     
    I always wondered why only half left. If it was easy to leave for a multi-year window, why risk it at all? Were the ones who stayed the ones who owned too much land or had a business that they refused to abandon?

    I always wondered why only half left. If it was easy to leave for a multi-year window, why risk it at all?

    One problem was finding a place that would take you in, no?

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    "One problem was finding a place that would take you in, no?"

    In particular, one problem was finding a place to take you in that you were prepared to live in. For example there were more visas available for immigrating to Palestine than were taken up. Naturally, cultivated German Jews with specialised skills didn't fancy living on the desert's edge amongst Arabs who wanted them out.

    I imagine that many of the Jews who stayed in Germany had motives such as: (i) We can't leave without Grandma and she refuse to budge, and (ii) We've seen bullying like this before in history; it will all blow over, and (iii) I am an assimilated, Christian German so they obviously can't mean me.

    It's striking that many Jews who left after Hitler's assent to power returned to Germany when it was clear that pogroms hadn't started, only to flee again after Kristallnacht.

    One part of the great tragedy was where many of them fled to: the Low Countries, France, Czechoslovakia, and so on. They hadn't foreseen that he'd conquer all those countries and then exterminate the Jews who lived there.

    One problem with comments on WWII is that almost everything about it is seen entirely in hindsight.
    , @Svigor
    The goal of finding some place to "visit" that doesn't have a 100% chance of deporting you back into the fire would seem a more reasonable, achievable one...
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  12. @Thomm

    If Hitler didn’t actually want the Jews to leave Germany, he was spectacularly ineffectual. Something like half of Germany’s Jews did succeed in leaving before the war.
     
    I always wondered why only half left. If it was easy to leave for a multi-year window, why risk it at all? Were the ones who stayed the ones who owned too much land or had a business that they refused to abandon?

    ‘I always wondered why only half left. If it was easy to leave for a multi-year window, why risk it at all? Were the ones who stayed the ones who owned too much land or had a business that they refused to abandon?’

    Well, (1) German Jews were very assimilated; rates of intermarriage, etc were very high. German Jews were Germans, and until Kristallnacht the general hope seems to have been that it would all somehow blow over.

    (2) It wasn’t so easy to get out; few countries wanted immigrants at all, much less Jews.

    Nevertheless, by the time war broke out, those left were disproportionately the poor and elderly. Obviously, for these groups, somehow getting abroad and making a new life were particularly daunting prospects. After all, thirty year old Colin might be perfectly willing to move to New Zealand, and so would sixty year old Colin if he had a few million dollars. Impoverished, elderly Colin would find the prospect daunting, and anyway, New Zealand probably wouldn’t let him in.

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  13. utu says:

    Eric Zuesse hates Christianity and Catholic Church in particular, so he decided to implicate it in Holocaust claiming that Hitler’s true motives behind planning and executing the Holocaust was Christianity. Just another Christianity hating kook.

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    Thanks for the information. It’s always good to know an author’s biases and prejudices.
    , @bjondo
    Did someone say Zuesse is Jew? Think he is.
    , @Eric Zuesse
    Ad-hominem attacks are the preferred method for someone who has no evidence. Besides, what you said is false in every regard, except that my book does document that Hitler had an extraordinarily good memory and in all his reliably transcribed and written statements he paraphrased from over a hundred lines from throughout the Bible, and he believed himself to be carrying out the intention of Jesus regarding the Jews. However, Hitler also was profoundly influenced by Genesis 3, and by Revelations. However, after the Pope in 1937 made clear to him that the Pope's moral authority was higher than was Hitler's, Hitler changed his mind and concluded that the problem with Jews wasn't necessarily that they had descended from the Snake in Genesis 3, but that their blood was infected with a bacterium, which must not be passed along (via intermarriage) to pure-blooded Christians.
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  15. The essential question for me about WWII, from the point of view that jews caused this war in order to get regime change in Germany, is: was Hitler justified in reducing jewish power in Germany, or were jews justified in causing war to removed Hitler ?
    I already posted an interesting link here, found just now with Russia Today.

    Those interested in the question I can recommend three books by jews:

    ‘Christianity and the Holocaust of the Hungarian Jewry’, Moshe Y Herclz, 1993 New York University press

    ‘From prejudice to destruction’, Jacob Katz, 1980, Cambridge MA

    Ismar Schorsch, ‘Jewish Reactions to German Anti-Semitism, 1870 – 1914′, New York 1972

    But the present situation in the USA is enough to answer the question.
    To what extent there was a holocaust, does it matter ?
    WWII caused some ten million German deaths.

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  16. @Thomm

    If Hitler didn’t actually want the Jews to leave Germany, he was spectacularly ineffectual. Something like half of Germany’s Jews did succeed in leaving before the war.
     
    I always wondered why only half left. If it was easy to leave for a multi-year window, why risk it at all? Were the ones who stayed the ones who owned too much land or had a business that they refused to abandon?

    In 1938, it seems, the relationship between German jews and the Hitler regime had stabilised.
    Therefore, again, it seems, jewry provoked the Kristallnacht by murdering a German diplomat in Paris.
    René d’Argile, etc., Das Geheimnis um die Ursachen des Zweiten Weltkrieges, Wiesbaden 1958 ( Les Originals Secrêtes de la Guerre 1939 – 1945, Paris 1958).

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    "jewry provoked Kristallnacht". You are kidding aren't you? You sound as you have joined a special closeted too-many-books section of the tinfoil hat brigade.
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  17. @FKA Max
    This is slightly off-topic, but I wanted to share this book review for a while, and I think this the appropriate venue to do so:

    Looking Back in Anger

    Reviewed by Peter Novick
    Sunday, May 1, 2005

    BURIED BY THE TIMES

    The Holocaust and America's

    Most Important Newspaper

    By Laurel Leff. Cambridge Univ. 426 pp.

    And there was sometimes a calculated reason for deemphasizing special Jewish victimhood. Americans were far more focused on the Japanese than on the German enemy ("Remember Pearl Harbor"). That the Nazis were the enemy of the Jews was well known; the task was to portray Nazi Germany as the mortal enemy of "free men everywhere." Hence the (sometimes exaggerated) emphasis on other victims. And, given continued high levels of anti-Semitism in the United States, not emphasizing Hitler's war against the Jews was an attempt to sidestep the claim that America was engaged in a war for the Jews.
    [...]
    In the United States the Zionist Jewish Frontier warned against forgetting "what was done to the Czechs, the Poles, the Jews, the Russians." Universalizing the portrayal of Nazi barbarism was a common strategy to discredit the idea that the war against Nazi Germany was a war for the Jews. One can argue, as Leff does, that this concern was exaggerated, but if ever a strategy was "well meant," this was it.
     
    - www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/04/28/AR2005042801313.html Archived link: http://archive.is/unVm6 Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buried_by_the_Times#cite_note-10

    From quite a few books one can learn that FDR, Churchill and Stalin did anything they could to prevent the idea that WWII was a jewish war.
    The jewish declaration of war on the Hitler regime of 1933 is seldom mentioned, yet USA newspapers had big headlines ‘Judea declares war on Germany’.
    In the Netherlands in WWII the underground press reported about death camps, those living at the time did not believe it, a relative told me.
    Another relative was convinced that those deported faced death, do not know why.
    Faurisson read, if I remember correctly, 15.000 pages of WWII memoirs by FDR, Churchill, De Gaulle, etc.
    No mention of genocide on jews.
    Decoded Enigma messages made clear that far more entered the camps than left.
    Yet, at the end of 1944 Ben Gurion did not want the Auschwitz camps bombed ‘jews might be killed’.
    The possibility that the majority of the deaths was causes by the camp management of inmates of course cannot be true.
    Yet even Elie Wiesel describes it.
    He never saw a gas chamber, just assumed that they existed.
    If now Israel succeeds in causing a world war, the last, nobody will survive, in the effort to get regime change in Teheran, who will see this last world war as a jewish war ?
    I will.

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    "The possibility that the majority of the deaths was causes by the camp management of inmates of course cannot be true.
    Yet even Elie Wiesel describes it.
    He never saw a gas chamber, just assumed that they existed.
    If now Israel succeeds in causing a world war, the last, nobody will survive, in the effort to get regime change in Teheran, who will see this last world war as a jewish war ?"
    --- The zionist purists hate when the documented facts of zionists collaboration with Nazis (whether in the past or currently in Ukraine) are coming to light. Nothing undermines the holocaust biz more than the dead silence of 52 main American Jewish organizations with regard to the current Nazi revival in Ukraine and the refusal of the same 52 main American Jewish organizations to condemn the US support (political and military) to the Banderites.
    When the oh-so-righteous Zeuss writes, "for Hitler, the Holocaust — the “final solution” — was not a military device, it was a military goal; in fact, it was the central military goal, which took precedence over even the expansion of Lebensraum," he reminds of Israel's fervent desire for "final solution" on the Israel-occupied territories. The illegal Israeli settlements are the Israeli version of "expansion of Lebensraum." The zionists' military goal of destroying Iran (on the US dime and limb) is another aspect of "expansion of Lebensraum."
    The zionists involvement in designing and pushing for the ongoing slaughter in the Middle East has been well documented: http://historycommons.org/searchResults.jsp?searchtext=neoconservative+Israel&events=on&entities=on&articles=on&topics=on&timelines=on&projects=on&titles=on&descriptions=on&dosearch=on&search=Go
    It is hard to react to the "Hitler" word after the major criminals like Clinton and Blair have been using the word liberally to promote their anti-human policies.
    , @my2cents
    During the war we, in the Netherlands received pictures of mass graves of people in camps. They were traumatic for a child, yet it was never explained that these people died of Typhus.....
    Elie Wiesel did not write the book "Night" was NOT in Auschwitz or any other camp. He was a Zionist tool to perpetuate a lie. He was a fraud.
    The "gassing"narrative took hold in the 60s.
    Eisenhower walked through the camps with a battery of photographers and none ever saw a gas chamber. In his book Eisenhower never mentioned a gas chamber neither did the Gaulle or Churchill.
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  18. @Colin Wright
    I'm sorry. I'd be all for reading a coherent summary of the evidence that Hitler did order the Holocaust -- but this ain't it.

    I got half-way through the second excerpt before I gave up. We'd already logged one fact that argued against Hitler having ordered the Holocaust -- his willingness to sign an order for the euthanasia program. Obviously -- or one would think it was obvious -- a demonstrated willingness to sign other orders for mass murder hardly bolsters the case for the argument that Hitler wanted the Holocaust but was unwilling to issue a written order for it.

    Then we have a simple irrelevancy -- Himmler's acknowledgment of the Holocaust. Then there's a misrepresentation of the facts. Supposedly, Hitler was being grossly and consciously unrealistic when he proposed the Madagascar Plan in June 1940 because that would have required the defeat of France and Britain.

    Ahem. France was defeated in June 1940. Hitler did indeed think Britain was as well. So it would seem that the Madagascar Plan was proposed in all seriousness. Far from France and Britain being defeated being a pipe-dream, that June it seemed to be a reality.

    Finally, we have the claim that Schacht was fired because he was too successful at resettling Jews.

    ! Schacht was fired because he wouldn't endorse Hitler's increasingly risky ploys to finance rearmament -- not because he succeeded in driving Jews out of Germany.

    I am skeptical of Irving's thesis; it's distinctly improbable that one could murder six million people without the nation's leader even noticing. As I say, I'm all for reading an article that effectively marshals the evidence for the counter-argument. This piece isn't it, however.

    ” I am skeptical of Irving’s thesis; it’s distinctly improbable that one could murder six million people without the nation’s leader even noticing ”

    But what if it did not happen ?
    Even jew Klemperer wusste nicht, those he visited after the Dresden bombing made it possible to travel to old acquintences, new identity, far away, did not even know that jews were persecuted.
    ANONYMOUS, ‘The Myth of Six Million’, Los Angelos, 1973, 1969
    Victor Klemperer, ‘I will bear witness, A diary of the Nazi years, 1942-1945’, New York 1999

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    '...But what if it did not happen ?'

    It happened. In 1939, there were 9.5 million Jews in Europe; in 1945 there were 3.8 million. 5.7 million Jews vanished. Where did they go?

    There are lots of interesting arguments and discussions to have about World War Two, Nazism, Hitler, etc, etc. However, whether or not the Holocaust in fact happened is not one of them. You might as well question the existence of Australia.
    , @Uncomonground
    Right. What puzzles me are the several cases of Jews who were in KZ like Auschwitz and said afterwards that they never heard about gas cammers until after the war. You can read about them in the mainstream media. One of them is Laszlo Bernath , another is Hedi Bohm. (I have to see if I spelled the names correctly). There are several other stories which are difficult to explain (cant write more now with a smartphone). I would like to have an explanation that makes sense of those cases.
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  19. j2 says:

    I apologize for a too long comment, but cannot make it shorter. I have always found problematic the view that Hitler did not know of the genocide of 6M Jews if it happened. The task is to prove that it happened.

    I find the following a convincing and sufficient argument that the official account of the holocaust is wrong: There were slightly over 3 million Jews in the Western countries and Western Poland or transported from the East to West who could have died or survived in any manner in the countries under German control outside the Soviet Union, Yugoslavia and Romania. Starting from this 3M we subtract known survivors 0.41M, transported to Sobibor,Treblinka, Belcez 1.45M, Chelmno 0.1M, died in Majdanek 0.059M, died in work camps and ghettos in Poland 0.17M, died in Theresienstadt 0.03M, died in camps in Germany 0.3M, survived in Western Poland not caught by Nazis 0.08M. Together there sum to 2.6M meaning that in Auschwitz could have died maximum 400,000 Jews. It is claimed that in Auschwitz died 1-1.5M Jews. Consequently, the official account is wrong and it is not proven that 6M died. Indeed, from total figures before 1939 and in 1946 follows that 4.5M Jews are missing assuming that the Soviet figures for 1939 are correct, which is improbable, and 3.5M assuming that 1M more that admitted migrated to the USA before 1939, which is highly probable based on the US statistics. A further reduction to 3.5M is possible in case there were fewer Jews in Eastern Europe in 1939. This cannot be neither confirmed nor refuted.
    I will next go to the arguments posed by Eric Zuesse.

    The term physical extermination appears in the interrogation of Eichmann. I must admit that this information should be supported by something more concrete and as it is not supported by anything, it is of little weight. Rudolf Höss for instance says in his memories contradictory things: Nazi witnesses cannot be always trusted to tell the truth. In the other places there is extermination instead of physical extermination indicating that extermination does not necessarily mean physical extermination. This distinction must have been the reason why the Eichmann’s statement mentions physical extermination and if we exclude that statement, then it allows understanding the other cases as extermination, possibly not physical. (The word can mean removal, uprooting). “Other incurables” in the euthanasia order cannot without reasonable doubt be interpreted as an order to physically exterminate the Jews. The final plan was prepared, but the only plan known is of transfer to the East and unclear goal of eventually settling the Jews somewhere after the war. This passage from Zuesse’s book does not prove Hitler’s guilt without reasonable doubt.

    Second quote. The sentence “I’m extraordinarily humane. … But if they refuse to leave voluntarily, I see no other solution than extermination” suffers from the same problem, it uses the term extermination, not physical extermination. I doubt Hitler ever took the Madagascar plan seriously. His goal in my opinion was to move Jews to Palestine. In his library is a book with Hitler’s underline on restoration of the Jews to Palestine. It fits to Hitler’s Jewish financiers and to his claim that the war was created by the Jewry. Certainly I can agree that neither Hitler, nor Zionists, wanted Jews to escape all over the world as it would only create Anti-Semitism where there was not, as Herzl said. The goal was Israel.

    Third quote. What possible gains did Hitler imagine from physical extermination of Jews in Europe if there still were millions of Jews in the USA? They would return to Europe. Think of your Hitler quote: if the Jews do not leave voluntarily, the only solution is extermination. It does not say physical extermination and can mean forced uprooting, removal. Where Hitler wanted them to leave voluntarily, as not everywhere in the world just to create new Anti-Semitism? What did Hitler think was the goal of international Jewry in the Balfour declaration that caused the loss of Germany in WWI? All of these question have the same answer: Palestine, to create Israel. International Jewry headed by millionaire bankers wanted Jews to create Israel. Only that would stop Anti-Semitism. Killing even every European Jew would not achieve it as there were American Jews. Killing European Jews would only result to the Jewry creating a new war in the USA to push the Jews to Palestine. Many would surely die in such a transfer operation, but that was acceptable as there had to be for cleansing of the people, a predicted sacrifice, a holocaust, without which there could not be redemption and no Exodus and restoration. God says, do not come in front of me empty handed. A sacrifice is needed. The poisoner of all nations, international Jewry, could not be destroyed by killing European Jews, it could only be destroyed by doing what the Jewry wanted. And this Jewry believed that it was the only solution to Anti-Semitism, the final solution, the final fulfillment of prophesy.

    Zuesse writes correctly, apologists of either the Aryan or the Jewish positions (but Zuesse is one of them) cannot describe the events correctly. Someone who is neither can do it more objectively. We are talking about a Messianic plan, not Lebensraum or military goals.

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    The German word they translate as exterminate is "ausrotten", that at the time literally meant "root out", not "exterminate". They have changed the original meaning of this word to fit the holocaust narrative.
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  20. Robert A. says:

    I had a patient in a hospital in Northern California a number of years ago. She was a German woman, a “war bride”. She told me she was from a very high aristocratic German family. Her grandfather had been the Kaiser’s war secretary. All the male relatives were die-hard fervent devotees of Hitler. The women all hated him. I suggested to her that maybe the holocaust and WW2 were really not just Hitler’s plan but a collective plan of many Germans. She then told me firmly that the whole affair over there was all Hitler’s doing. She was right there in the middle of it all. Documents and scholars can be extremely deceptive. But she was an eye-witness in the middle of it. This is what she told me she saw. She told me this lying on a hospital bed late one night.
    She said her family lived on the western side of Germany and was at home with the other female family members when an American jeep drove up towards the house. All the male family members were away. She was just a young woman and the other women there pushed her out the front door towards the GI’s. She half expected to be raped. But the soldiers instead gave her Vogue magazines, nylon stockings and I think chocolate too. She ended up marrying one of them. She told me that the wealthy women on the east side of Germany all carried cyanide pills in case of rape, but the American soldiers had a little better reputation. This conversation took place about 20 years ago.

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    Did the other women push her towards the GI's hoping to save themselves?

    Did the other women rush out to get there fair share of goodies?

    Have you approached the Pentagon or Spielberg to back a script?
    , @bj
    Eye witness testimony is often rewriting one's personal narrative to conform to the orthodoxy of the victors or the opportunists. Millions of years of evolution cast women in the conforming role, easily changing sides to survive. It is in the interest of Life's continuing experiment on planet earth!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxpVwBzFAkw
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  21. anon[332] • Disclaimer says:

    Let’s say Hitler didn’t order the Holocaust – but it was still, to some significant, if exaggerated, extent, carried out.

    So what?

    “Hitler didn’t know and give the orders.” So what? Does this change our understanding of history? Are white people no longer obligated to ethnically cleanse themselves from their own nations through mass immigration?

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  22. @Thomm

    If Hitler didn’t actually want the Jews to leave Germany, he was spectacularly ineffectual. Something like half of Germany’s Jews did succeed in leaving before the war.
     
    I always wondered why only half left. If it was easy to leave for a multi-year window, why risk it at all? Were the ones who stayed the ones who owned too much land or had a business that they refused to abandon?

    They were often poor (I’m not 100% sure but I believe it cost a lot to “get out” of Germany)

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    They were often stripped of assets and likely to arrive in foreign countries impoverished - not a great start to exile. Those who stayed were often the relatively poor or those who had assets they did not want to lose and who optimistically hoped it would all blow over.
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  23. kikl says:

    “Heydrich’s official order, referring to “the final goal (which will require a lengthy period),” was dated 21 September 1939. On 31 July 1941 Göring instructed Heydrich to draw up detailed plans for “the desired final solution of the Jewish question” (document 710-PS in Trial of the Major War Criminals)”

    I think you are referring to this letter:

    Please note that the letter talks about solving the Jewish question “in Form der Auswanderung oder Evakuierung”, i.e. “by emigration or evacuation”, evacuation meaning forced expulsion.

    So this document actually contradicts the extermination theory. Here is another document:

    “It has been joined by others, like the extraordinary note dictated by
    Staatssekretär Franz Schlegelberger in the Reich Ministry of Justice in the
    spring of 1942: ‘Reich Minister Lammers,’ this states, ‘informed me that
    the Führer has repeatedly pronounced that he wants the solution of the
    Jewish Question put off until after the war is over.’ Whatever way one
    reads this document, it is incompatible with the notion that Hitler had
    ordered an urgent liquidation programme. (The document’s original is in
    justice ministry file R22/52 in the archives at Koblenz.)

    http://www.fpp.co.uk/books/Hitler/2001/HW_Web.pdf

    Page: xxvi

    The fact of the matter is that we have both documents supporting and contradicting the extermination theory and Hitler’s involvement.

    “It seemed to me that the problem with his work was not the possible inaccuracy of the details that he included – but the things he had left out. ”

    I think that this is also a problem of your article.

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  24. @Dave Pinsen

    Ahem. France was defeated in June 1940.
     
    You never saw Casablanca? Remember where Rick and Captain Renault decide to go at the end? Brazzaville:

    During World War II Brazzaville and the rest of French Equatorial Africa remained beyond the control of Vichy France; the city served as the capital of France Libre from 1940–1943.
     

    And surely you must have seen “the Fighting Kentuckian” with John Wayne. Following Napoleon’s Waterloo defeat and the exile of his officers and their families from France, the U.S.Congress, in 1817, granted four townships in the Alabama territory to the exiles. Led by Colonel Georges Geraud and General Paul DeMarchand, the struggling settlers have made a thriving community, called Demopolis, by the summer of 1819. On a shopping trip to Mobile, Fleurette DeMarchand, the General’s daughter, meets John Breen, a Kentucky rifleman, who detours his regiment through Demopolis to court her. But Fleurette, despite her wish to marry for love, must bow to the needs of her fellow exiles, who are at the mercy of the rich and wealthy Blake Randolph, and who wants her as his bride. But John Breen has no intention of allowing that to happen, resigns from his regiment, and takes up the fight against Randolph and his hirelings. If Congress had not taken away their land grants they would surely have returned and reconquered France.

    And then there was “La Resistance.” And then there were the Moon Landings. You must have seen the Moon Landings?

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  25. Two things:
    1) Quoting what Eichmann said about Hitler while in Israeli custody as “evidence” against Hitler is simply comical.
    2) The only thing that makes ‘The Holocaust’ a SPECIAL AND UNIQUE genocide (as opposed to the ‘usual kind … revenge via mass murder) is the alleged use of “human gas chambers” for the mass extermination of Jews. It is easy to prove that this defining feature of the horror story is a total lie, certainly in the context of that manufactured Disneyland of ultimate nightmare fantasies, Auschwitz Concentration Camp.

    a) The chemical evidence re concentration of ferrocyanide in the walls demonstrates that the only gas chambers in Auschwitz were small and used for killing the lice that spread Typhus through the camp, i.e. to keep inmates healthy.
    b) The Director of Auschwitz admitted on camera that the ‘human gas chamber’ was constructed in 1946.
    c) Coke delivery records can be used to estimate the number of corpses cremated and there is no contradiction between this figure and the official records of deceased in the camp, mostly from typhus. (Read Carlo Mottagno on Auschwitz coke deliveries)
    d) Bodies killed by cyanide poisoning are bright red/pink because of burst capillaries near the skin surface. NOT A SINGLE EYE WITNESS, inmate or guard reported seeing such corpses either near the alleged gas chamber, nor in transit to the crematoria, nor in the crematoria by those alleged to have dumped the hundreds of thousands of victims there for burning.

    How staggering is that? This apophatic evidence (evidence by absence) is, perhaps, the strongest proof that this centrepiece of the Holocaust nightmare fantasy never happened.

    Yes, Jews were massacred in large numbers in the East. There were doubtless other unspeakable horrors committed against innocent Jews during WW2. However, there were equal obscenities committed against many other parties and these horrors are overshadowed by even greater crimes against Soviet citizens by their Jewish-dominated government, pre WWII. Indeed many killings in the East were acts of revenge on lands “liberated” by Germany in previously Soviet-occupied countries.

    Here is the issue.
    Question:Why do we allow the Jewish leadership to turn “their” collective suffering into a world religion (which it now is .. with any heresy or blasphemy against the sacred doctrine punished by career termination or even imprisonment) on the basis of the biggest lie in human history?

    Answer: Because their suffering (i.e. the suffering of the Satanic leadership that Christ condemned, who hold The Jewish people in mental enslavement as human shields) is totally fictional. These people WON World War Two.

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    Question:Why do we allow the Jewish leadership to turn “their” collective suffering into a world religion (which it now is .. with any heresy or blasphemy against the sacred doctrine punished by career termination or even imprisonment) on the basis of the biggest lie in human history?
     
    Interesting question indeed.
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  26. Seeing that comments questioning the existence of human gas chambers in Auschwitz (The “Holocaust” that really sustains the new world religion today) are unacceptable to Unz Review, what about this from the Head of British Intelligence during WW2?

    Statement by Head of British Intelligence about gas-chamber stories
    Public Record Office Document, FO 371/34551

    This Foreign Office document was declassified ages ago, after the 30-year period, and yet David
    Irving seems about the only British historian who has wanted to comment upon it.

    27 August, 1943
    “In my opinion it is incorrect to describe Polish information regarding German atrocities as “trustworthy.’ The Poles, and to a far greater extent the Jews, tend to exaggerate German atrocities in order to stoke us up. They seem to have succeeded.

    Mr Allen and myself have both followed German atrocities quite closely. I do not believe that there is any evidence which would be accepted in a Law Court that Polish children have been killed on the spot by Germans when their parents were being deported to work in Germany, nor that Polish children have been sold to German settlers. As regards putting Poles to death in gas chambers, I do not believe that there is any evidence that this has been done, There have been many stories to this effect, and we have played them up, in P.W.E. [Psy Warfare Executive] rumours without believing that they had any foundation. At any rate there is far less evidence than exists for the mass murder of Polish officers by the Russians at Katyn. On
    the other hand we do know that the Germans are out to destroy Jews of any age unless they are fit for manual labour.

    I think that we weaken our case against the Germans by publicly giving credence to atrocity stories for which we have no evidence. These mass executions in gas chambers remind me of the story of employment of human corpses during the last war for the manufacture of fat, which was a grotesque lie and led to the true stories of German enormities being brushed aside as being mere propaganda…”

    (signed) V Cavendish-Bentinck

    Comment: If a world religion were founded on a lie, would that make it a Satanic religion? A threat to the future of humanity?

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    I'm not sure what your position is but on one view there is an "own goal" when you quote favourably a report which says "we do know that the Germans are out to destroy Jews of any age unless they are fit for manual labour". Pretty strong evidence is it not given the context? Technically hearsay one concedes to the barrack room lawyer but weighty nonetheless.
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  27. Anon[379] • Disclaimer says:

    Unfortunately, Goldhagen’s tribalism is considered acceptable, whereas Irving’s isn’t. Today’s Palestinians — and many others — are victims of Goldhagen’s particular form of tribalism. But perhaps as the Holocaust recedes from view… tribalism itself is becoming fashionable again, too. In fact, tribalism seems to be coming into vogue again throughout the world. Look, for example, at what the U.S. Government and its Saudi and UAE partners are doing to the Houthis, a Shiite tribe, in Yemen.

    Sheesh. The problem of Goldhagen in relation to Palestinians isn’t tribalism or nationalism. It is IMPERIALISM. If Zionists compromised and allowed a nation-state for Palestinians, Jewish tribalism could co-exist with Palestinian tribalism. Unfortunately, Zionists are in imperialist mode and denying the right of tribalism to the Palestinians. Jewish Globalists are tribal-imperialists. Their attitude is ‘tribalism for me but not for thee’. THAT is the problem. If Jews accepted universal tribalism/nationalism, they would get along better with other nations. But even as they promote their own tribalism, they attack the tribalism of others. Jews use their influence to destroy Arab nations or sanction Iran. These Wars for Israel have led to the swamping of Europe with ‘refugees’.

    Tribal-nationalism has always been defensive against imperialism. It was tribal-nationalist passions that led to wars of resistance against European and American imperialism in Vietnam and Algeria. Long live tribalism.

    EU is now neo-imperialist and seeks to undermine national sovereignty and security of European nations. Resurgent nationalism says NO to this. Tribalism is anti-imperialist. Italian tribal-populists have no designs on OTHER nations. They are nationalist and, as such, opposed to demographic imperialism of those black Africans who arrive in Italy to beat up Italian men and hump Italian women.

    The problem with Nazis wasn’t tribalism or nationalism. They invaded and trampled on the tribal-nationalism of other nations. Resistance against Nazi imperialism was tribal-nationalist. And resistance against Soviet imperialism in Eastern Europe was also nationalist-imperialist. If Nazi Germany had remained tribal-nationalist and not turned imperialist, there would have been no WWII.

    What is happening in Yemen is the result of imperialism, not tribalism. It is US-Saudi-Zionist imperialism that is waging war on Yemenese struggle for sovereignty.

    Tribalist-nationalism never hurt anyone. Tibetans and Palestinians are tribal-nationalist. They want freedom and independence for their people in their own territory. Their hopes were crushed by Han Chinese and Zionist imperialism.

    Jewish Tribalism per se isn’t the problem. If Jews want to preserve their tribal culture and memory, fine. If Jews want a nation of their own, fine again.
    Unfortunately, that isn’t enough for Jews. They must occupy even the few remaining Palestinian territory. And they must use the hammer of US globo-homo-imperialism to wage Wars for Israel and pressure EU to put out to demographic imperialism that is totally altering the racial and cultural character of Europe.

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    Goldhagen is an idiot.
    See an endnote about him in
    Christopher R. Browning, ‘Ordinary Men, Reserve Police Battalion 101 and the Final Solution in Poland’, 1992, 2001, London
    , @Josecanuc
    "Jewish Tribalism per se isn’t the problem."

    "The problem" is actually is quite simple: 

    “The whole world is mentally sick, much more so, we Jews.” - Arthur Ruppin 1876 –1943) was a Zionist thinker and leader, one of the founders of the city of Tel Aviv, sociologist, taught Sociology of the Jews at Hebrew University
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  28. Anon[379] • Disclaimer says:
    @Thomm
    Speaking of Hitler, Roosh wrote a famous article about how White Trashionalists are using that as a crutch :

    http://www.rooshv.com/are-there-differences-in-race

    "I strongly suspect that active participation in white nationalist circles is a cover for feelings of personal inferiority."

    He is way too generous. He says it is only 'feelings'. I say it is outright, self-evident inferiority of defective whites relative to mainstream whites like me.

    He is way too generous. He says it is only ‘feelings’. I say it is outright, self-evident inferiority of defective whites relative to mainstream whites like me.

    Defective or mainstream, the white race will be inferior in the pornified and thugged culture of rap and ‘muh dick’ jungle fever. Look at Europe. Macron says 200 million blacks will come in the next 20 yrs. These Negroes will be stronger and have bigger dongs than white men. They will whup inferior wussy white boys. ‘Mainstream’ or ‘defective’, it don’t matter. And they will colonize white wombs.

    By rules of thuggery and ‘muh dick’, whites are inferior to blacks. But thug culture is the new culture.

    So, whites must resist and survive as an inferior race.

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  29. Anon[379] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bendin of Poland
    Funny, really funny.
    No matter who ordered Holo.
    Mr. Adolf organised the totalitarian Germany -> was an enabler of Holo.
    Perfectly normal Germans (not the SS, not the KL guards) killed over 200 000 KL prisoners in spring 1945, during the Death Marches through Lover Silesia.
    They did it because The State told them they can and they should.
    No matter who ordered - grandpa Hitler signed under all this and he was responsible.

    Right. It’s like Stalin and Mao didn’t order all the bloodbaths but created the system that made such possible. They must take the blame.

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  30. m___ says:

    Holocaust

    Anything one reads about the holocaust’s “prime” sources is subjective. Anyone balances at choice arguments, omits arguments, quantifies close to at random.

    Hitler probably due to his average IQ(not Einstein’s? but for racism, his oratory impact on the bulk of the public), and his ailing health, was an easy victim of manipulation by his environment. Hence his rearangements, shifts, restructuring of his key collaborators, his avid Holywood(Jew made and baked) movie watching on a daily basis in some periods, his “hands on” pageanism(visiting troops, being close to the front line), his choice of bed-partners, not showing the easiness of hoovering between his briefings to generals and party, and his oratory destined to the public. The Jews(the most coherent group spanning borders, the driving force behind Stalin, the upper class dominant German Jews) make many arguments for Hitler to see the Jew, as an ethny, globally distributed, his personal as well as the German Reich’s enemy in absolute. It is even today visible that Hitler’s was not a sophisticated intellectual, but a testosterone entrepreneur with a high degree of conscientiousness. More sophisticated close collaborators were tuned into this, or left the inner circle then. The intellectual qualities of neo-nazi fringe groups of today indicate likewise.

    The emotional, subjective argument of genocide on all sides, Hitler’s and the Jew’s(perpetrating the twenty-first century), is thus not quantified in a more objective manner.

    The physical evidence of the Holocaust could be very exacting, when the matter would be taken on by science. Bones, DNA of bones, theoretical calculations of feasibility, would make the whole issue of exposure minor as compared to reviving the wooled mamouth of Northern Europe. No party, as in neither side is interested. That makes the Holocaust a litterary endeavour of opportunism, and unworthy of our twenty first century scientific methods. Good for endlessly commenting.

    For certain, the ones having picked the bone and ran with it the farthest, the longest, are evidently the International Jews. By taking the “genocide of Jews by Hitler” out of any proportionate mention it must have had a cost-benefit to our Jewish in-group oriented group, and generationally, as no genocide intent before. The Holocaust should be a dry statistic, aligned with other genocides of what war and power struggles have caused regardless of parties involved. Even how Stalin, Rooseveld, Churchill, in that same WWII compared.

    Nice of unz.com to adhere to Jewish media convention to snif at the issue from more then a single side. Fact remains, no science is applied to the Holocaust, WWII, a systemic failure that perpetrates historical errors to the future of humankind.

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  31. I do get Jews’ obsession with shoah, but I hardly get “denialists’”” stance: this did happen, but is, due to Jewish media influence in Western societies, overblown out of proportion. No one with sane mind in Poland, Hungary, Greece, Ukraine or Russia will deny that many or most Jews were systematically murdered. This is not even the topic. What they would, reasonably, argue with that Jewish nationalists’ constant drumming on the theme & emotional blackmail in trying to extort as much money as possible and advance their tribalist interests at the expense of the natives’ is simply unacceptable.

    Both Irving and Goldhagen are to be despised. So far, the best holocaust book I’ve read- this is not the topic I am too interested in- is Kershaw’s collection of essays:

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    Ian Kershaw, ´Hitlers Freunde in England, Lord Londonderry und der Weg in den Krieg’, (Making Friends with Hitler. Lord Londonderry and Britain’s Road to War, 2004, London), München 2005
    a nonsense book, as is clear from reading:
    The Marquess of Londonderry, ´England blickt auf Deutschland, Um die deutsch-englische Verständigung, Essen 1938 (Ourselves and Germany, 1938)
    Unlikely that other books by Kershaw are better.
    , @hyperbola
    One has only to remember what sect carried out the biggest genocide in Europe of the 2oth century (killing at least four-times more people than adolf) to wonder why we are inundated continuously with propaganda about a smaller incident.

    Stalin's Jews
    We mustn't forget that some of greatest murderers of modern times were Jewish
    https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html

    Here's a particularly forlorn historical date: Almost 90 years ago, between the 19th and 20th of December 1917, in the midst of the Bolshevik revolution and civil war, Lenin signed a decree calling for the establishment of The All-Russian Extraordinary Commission for Combating Counter-Revolution and Sabotage, also known as Cheka.

    Within a short period of time, Cheka became the largest and cruelest state security organization. Its organizational structure was changed every few years, as were its names: From Cheka to GPU, later to NKVD, and later to KGB.

    We cannot know with certainty the number of deaths Cheka was responsible for in its various manifestations, but the number is surely at least 20 million, including victims of the forced collectivization, the hunger, large purges, expulsions, banishments, executions, and mass death at Gulags.

    Whole population strata were eliminated: Independent farmers, ethnic minorities, members of the bourgeoisie, senior officers, intellectuals, artists, labor movement activists, "opposition members" who were defined completely randomly, and countless members of the Communist party itself.....

    ..... And us, the Jews? An Israeli student finishes high school without ever hearing the name "Genrikh Yagoda," the greatest Jewish murderer of the 20th Century, the GPU's deputy commander and the founder and commander of the NKVD. Yagoda diligently implemented Stalin's collectivization orders and is responsible for the deaths of at least 10 million people. His Jewish deputies established and managed the Gulag system.... In 1934, according to published statistics, 38.5 percent of those holding the most senior posts in the Soviet security apparatuses were of Jewish origin. .....
    , @peterAUS
    Good post.

    Especially this:

    This is not even the topic. What they would, reasonably, argue with that Jewish nationalists’ constant drumming on the theme & emotional blackmail in trying to extort as much money as possible and advance their tribalist interests at the expense of the natives’ is simply unacceptable.
     
    I'd go one step more:
    What they would, reasonably, argue with that neoliberal elites constant drumming on the theme & emotional blackmail in trying to advance their globalist interests at the expense of the natives’ is simply unacceptable.

    That's the core issue smart people should be focusing on.

    Not here, of course.

    These...ahm...."debates"...are about something else.
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  32. Heros says:
    @Colin Wright
    I'm sorry. I'd be all for reading a coherent summary of the evidence that Hitler did order the Holocaust -- but this ain't it.

    I got half-way through the second excerpt before I gave up. We'd already logged one fact that argued against Hitler having ordered the Holocaust -- his willingness to sign an order for the euthanasia program. Obviously -- or one would think it was obvious -- a demonstrated willingness to sign other orders for mass murder hardly bolsters the case for the argument that Hitler wanted the Holocaust but was unwilling to issue a written order for it.

    Then we have a simple irrelevancy -- Himmler's acknowledgment of the Holocaust. Then there's a misrepresentation of the facts. Supposedly, Hitler was being grossly and consciously unrealistic when he proposed the Madagascar Plan in June 1940 because that would have required the defeat of France and Britain.

    Ahem. France was defeated in June 1940. Hitler did indeed think Britain was as well. So it would seem that the Madagascar Plan was proposed in all seriousness. Far from France and Britain being defeated being a pipe-dream, that June it seemed to be a reality.

    Finally, we have the claim that Schacht was fired because he was too successful at resettling Jews.

    ! Schacht was fired because he wouldn't endorse Hitler's increasingly risky ploys to finance rearmament -- not because he succeeded in driving Jews out of Germany.

    I am skeptical of Irving's thesis; it's distinctly improbable that one could murder six million people without the nation's leader even noticing. As I say, I'm all for reading an article that effectively marshals the evidence for the counter-argument. This piece isn't it, however.

    “it’s distinctly improbable that one could murder six million people without the nation’s leader even noticing. “

    Actually, the claim is 11 million of which 5 million were “gypsies, homosexuals, communists, etc”. One gigantic problem the holohoaxers have is that they were already forced to walk back the claims that there were gas chambers in what is now Germany, so all these 11 million had to have been gassed/exterminated in what is now Poland, who will not allow any forensics on these 11 million to be undertaken. Poland, the nation who helped cover up Katyn for the Bolsheviks to pin it all on Germany during the sham Nuremburg trials. How convenient.

    But the math simply does not work, so what we have is narrative collapse, yet certain people like Eric Zeuss or Colin Wright choose to cling to certain “facts” that were parts of a narrative that has been proven to be false in so many places. This holocaust narrative actually goes back to the Tsar’s “pogroms” when the jewish run US media already started pushing the 6 million dead in a holocaust. This narrative was repeated through the entire second world war:

    Ben Hecht sent the “we will never die” broadway pageant touring across the US in March 1943 to whip up sympathy for the same jews who had declared war on Germany in 1933. Jews were already claiming 2 million dead in 1942, but we know that was a lie. Theodore Kaufman wrote “Germany Must Perish” in 1940, before Auschwitz was even opened. This was used as the basis for the Morgentau plan which was leaked in 1944.

    So Germany and the Germans knew what the jews had planned for them even before the firebombing of Hamburg, Dresden, Berlin and the mass murder of millions of German civilians in bombing raids on civilian areas. Then in 1945 came the Hellstorm in the east and Eisenhowers Rhine Meadows death camps in the west. Real death camps with real bodies and real concentration camps filled with Germans across Siberia.

    If we deconstruct the narrative further, what we have is the jews setting Germany up with the stab in the back of 1918, jews bankrupting Germany with the reparations they agreed to in Versaille, jews declaring war on Germany in 1933, jews broadcasting that they were going to commit genocide on Germans and Germany when the war was over, then jews actually committing this genocide, then jews conducting sham trials where they project their own guilt onto the Germans for the murders and atrocities they committed (Katyn), then they implement the Morganthau plan as promised and starve millions of Germans and strip out all her industry and enslave the men while they try to mongrelize the women left behind. That is the true history of how rotten the jews are, not the kosher narrative of they how much they are persecuted.

    I think the point here is that if the Germans had conducted the holocaust, they would have been justified. However, the ultimate insult is that the people who conducted the real holocaust are still extracting reparations from Germany for the crimes they committed against the comparatively far more innocent Germany.

    It can come as no surprise then that they are willing to lock up old ladies for “holocaust denial”. Bravo, Eric Zeuss and Colin Wright, for standing up for the kosher narrative.

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    Hecht later got other ideas
    Ben Hecht, ‘Perfidy’, New York, 1961
    , @Anon
    Poland, who will not allow any forensics on these 11 million to be undertaken. Poland, the nation who helped cover up Katyn for the Bolsheviks to pin it all on Germany during the sham Nuremburg trials. How convenient.

    its more than the math.. its intention.. the USA imprisoned its Japanese, and because the USA was capable to feed them few died.. Germany was unable to feed its own, much less those who were held outside of its society so many died, could the deaths have been a matter or priorities?

    The giant question why the Germans came to oppose Jewish presence, seems to me Hitler wished to alienate genetic affliction not competing races.


    Another question Can Hollow Cost propaganda, puppet German leadership, banker backed Zionist (1897) intentions to both eliminate Germany from the competition for the Arab oil and to increase the rate of Jewish infiltration in to Arab lands for the purpose to creating a Zionist controlled political structure which could lead the taking of the oil from the Arabs be reconciled?

    For that matter the entire issue associated to Lenin's October revolution comes under suspicion as it might also be a part of that "take the oil by migration" plan.

    Somewhere in my library is a book with words to the effect that Hitler offered any nation (that would accept into citizenship any German Jewish person (a $5,000 relocation bounty). Who can give me a reference to that. so I don't have to look it up.
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  33. Erebus says:

    One sometimes wonders why no serious, professional historian has ever touched the Holocaust third rail. If one was mid-career at (say) Harvard, wouldn’t one turn over every rock to prove it happened, guaranteeing rock star status in the History field? You’d be Faculty Dean in a heartbeat, get a seat on the Board, probably at more than one university, and travel the world with a retinue of sycophants giving lectures for sums only Bill Clinton dreams of.

    Given the claimed scale and close proximity in time, it should be a “Gimme”. We aren’t talking about the Peloponnesian Wars here. We’re talking about a process involving millions of humans and enormous resources taking place on a continental scale within living memory. Why hasn’t any sharp young History professor gone after the prize?

    Or have they, and and quietly buried their failures lest their career come to an untimely end?

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    One sometimes wonders why no serious, professional historian has ever touched the Holocaust third rail.
     
    Eh?

    It's already been proved that the Nazis built the ideological and physical apparatus to imprison, enslave murder and attempt to exterminate European Jewry.
    , @Anonymous
    Has it not occurred to even the arrogant amateur that you are that there is no special advantage for a serious historian to refute the ragtag teams of denialists? Actually more likely to be seen as demeaning. It is as ignorant as thinking that, because some historian performs badly - as a convincing expert witness - under professional cross-examination, what he knows and writes about is discredited. (Have you ever been cross-examined by a $1000s an hour top trial lawyer, in the witness box or when deposing?).

    Doesn't the deportation of Jewish women, children and old people strike you as difficult to explain innocently?
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  34. Oh there is no doubt that the nazi’s were evil and they killed the many millions of red army POW’s or that they killed millions of civilians in occupied lands, you dont get 40 million dead doing nothing.

    What I want to know is what makes jews spesual? I mean Hitler had no qualms about killing eg partisans, communists, saboteurs, the mentally ill and physically deformed or anyone who was not pure and white and fit as a fidle..

    Anyone who comes out with examples of Hitler did not want others to know.. To me is full of it. Hitler praised the US for how they exterminated the native Americans. How the US gassed death row inmates without problems and such. But spesual jews, Hitler wanted it all done in secret.. Although confiscation and targeting of Jews and shooting them were all done openly and even spread to keep others jews in line and deathly afraid.. But Hitler did not want to scare away the jews.. spesual they are..

    And the less evidence of if it all is because Hitler wanted it all kept secret.. And done on such a scale that there does not exist anything else of such monstrous crimes in history. Even though Hitler was defeated and Germany captured.

    This reminds me of how those 4 gitmo inmates committed suicide in 2005 in a group session next to each other.. They shoved rags down their throats and taped their mouths and nose shut and then tied their hands and feet and stuck their heads in a noose after covering the cameras and jumped off the wash basin to hang and sticking mannequins in their beds so the guards would think they were sleeping.

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    "Oh there is no doubt that the Nazis were evil and they killed the many millions of red army POWs..."

    Treatment of Soviet prisoners of war was brutal but at least Hitler offered to treat them according to the Geneva convention. The stipulation was that Stalin do the same for German prisoners. The Soviet dictator refused. To Stalin anyone who surrendered was a traitor to the USSR and he went out of his way to invite mistreatment of them.
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=7627
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  35. padre says:

    All this talking about holocaust leads me to the opinion, that holocaust is possible onnla if Germans do it to Jews!

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  36. Greg Bacon says: • Website

    Remember the 11 million? Why an inflated victims tally irks Holocaust historians

    Yehuda Bauer, an Israeli Holocaust scholar who chairs the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance, said he warned his friend Wiesenthal, who died in 2005, about spreading the false notion that the Holocaust claimed 11 million victims – 6 million Jews and 5 million non-Jews.

    “I said to him, ‘Simon, you are telling a lie,’” Bauer recalled in an interview Tuesday. “He said, ‘Sometimes you need to do that to get the results for things you think are essential.’”

    https://www.jta.org/2017/01/31/news-opinion/united-states/remember-the-11-million-why-an-inflated-victims-tally-irks-holocaust-historians

    Even honest Jews will admit the 6 million number is a LIE. Then we have this, the concentration camp commander, Karl Otto Koch, who was arrested, tried and executed by the SS for being too brutal to inmates at Buchenwald and Majdanek.

    https://www.britannica.com/biography/Karl-Otto-Koch

    Now if Germany was truly running the so-called ‘death camps, would they be executing a commandant for being too brutal?

    And if you’re going to say the worn out phrase, Final Solution, don’t forget to add the word that precedes it, TERRITORIAL. Hitler was going to move the Jews to the new territories stolen from the USSR, not kill them en masse in forced labor camps.

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    My Zionist Evangelical friend admitted to me a few years back that he used to believe there were 6 million who died in the Nazi concentration camps, and that virtually all of them were Jews. Then he read some things demonstrating clearly that close to 50% of the people who died in Nazi camps were non-Jewish. Then he came to believe that close to 12 million died in the camps, 6 million of them Jews. He has almost zero interest in the Nazi hatreds of non-Germanic white peoples, and he says that even if the Nazis sent to the camps as many Polish Catholic priests as historians agree, that it just barely matters, as added guilt.

    This friend believes as he does because he has kept the Judaizing core, the Judaizing foundation, of Anglo-Saxon Puritanism. Everything in his world, all knowledge that comes to him, is filtered through that basic WASP worldview, in its contemporary 'conservative' Evangelical form.
    , @FB

    'Now if Germany was truly running the so-called ‘death camps, would they be executing a commandant for being too brutal?'
     
    I appreciate the good belly laugh...always nice to be reminded just how mentally unhinged the Hitler fanboys really are...

    Here is the excerpt from Britannica you linked to...

    'On April 5, 1945, with the Allies coming ever closer to Weimar, Koch was taken from his cell, driven up to Buchenwald, and executed by an SS firing squad. His body was disposed of in the camp crematorium.
     
    The only thing the Nazis were 'running' on April 5, 1945, three days before Germany's unconditional surrender, was for their sorry lives...LOL...

    So for years the Nazi brass was ok with Koch...but then, just as the Fuehrer is blowing his brains out in his bunker, they decide it's finally time to do something about his 'cruelty'...

    And btw...here's the rest of the story...

    '...Koch's actions at Buchenwald first caught the attention of SS-Obergruppenführer Josias, Prince of Waldeck and Pyrmont in 1941.

    In glancing over the death list of Buchenwald, Josias had stumbled across the name of Dr Walter Krämer, a head hospital orderly at Buchenwald, which he recognized because Krämer had successfully treated him in the past.

    Josias investigated the case and found out that Koch, in a position as the Camp Commandant, had ordered Krämer and Karl Peixof, a hospital attendant, killed as "political prisoners" because they had treated him for syphilis and he feared it might be discovered...'
     
    So Koch shot the doctor who treated him for syphilis...typical Nazi MO right there...plus he was caught embezzling...he was found guilty of 'disgracing himself and the SS'...

    Amazing that the stormfront flatulators would have us believe that this is 'proof' that there were no death camps...

    That is too funny man...thanks a lot for that...[I actually mean that...]

    Oh...and here's a photo of Koch...'normal' looking guy, wouldn't you say...

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/ad/Koch_Karl.jpg
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  37. One can not acknowledge the Jewish holocaust without acknowledging the Palestinian holocaust at the same time.

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    They know that even starting a genuine endeavour for the proof and truth would cause instant failure because that particular third rail is very dangerous with the current being controlled by you know who.

    Any investigation into holocaust 'fact' suggests to those who control things that the investigator is doubting the hitherto established truth.

    No holocaust excavations and truth seeking can ever be allowed to happen because the truth will out and that would kill the whole jewish thing stone dead.
    , @MrB
    Really? I don't understand that logic.

    The Palestinian holocaust is in full view of the world and cannot be doubted. The other one well er...
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  38. “ Himmler publicly stated in a speech on 24 February 1943 that this was necessary in order to have “exterminated a bacterium because we do not want in the end to be infected by the bacterium and die of it.” ”

    I’d think it too obvious to point out, that public speeches aren’t policy. Something strange too, about the fact that he’d be broadcasting a supposedly top-secret project (for which, as is acknowledged, no explicit documentation exists, only alleged code-words and euphemisms).

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    Knowing a bit about all the nonsense published after WWII what German leaders are supposed to have said, why should this statement by true ?
    One must realise that, after WWII, anyone with negative statements about these leaders was the darling of the 'prosecutors', as was Speer.
    Even today it is hardly possible to state anything possible about Hitler, despite a book as
    Kai S. Schreyber (Hrsg.), ´Warum wir ADOLF HITLER wählten, Jungwähler von 1933/38 berichten’, 2001 Kiel
    The positive description of Hitler by his youngest secretary must be balanced by a long introduction asserting the opposite.
    Traudl Junge, with Melissa Müller, ‘Until the final hour’, London, 2004
    Even the widow of Von Stauffenberg was fed up with historians who knew better than she what had happened in WWII:
    Konstanze von Schulthess, ´Nina Schenk Gräfin von Stauffenberg, Ein Porträt’, München 2009
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  39. sarz says:

    It’s disappointing to see that Ron Unz is apparently a believer in the systematic industrial murder of millions of Jews by the National Socialists using gas chambers.

    It would be good if Ron could get someone to present an authoritative account giving the evidence in support of such belief.

    Someone nominated by the people at codoh.com could be asked to respond.

    The psedonymous maker of Holocaust questioning documentaries, Denierbud, whose work is available at codoh, had long offered to debate any tenured academic historian on the topic. Maybe the offer still stands.

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    It’s disappointing to see that Ron Unz is apparently a believer in the systematic industrial murder of millions of Jews by the National Socialists using gas chambers.
     
    Mr. Unz is free to believe and speak freely about any topic he wishes, while there is still Free Speech in the USA.
    , @Anon
    From the articles he’s posted, it seems to me that Ron Unz is very open minded about the subject. He presents articles from every side of the endless WW2 debates
    , @Erebus

    It would be good if Ron could get someone to present an authoritative account giving the evidence in support of such belief.
     
    I doubt he'll find someone more authoritative than Raul Hilberg (The Destruction of the European Jews), who took a shot at it at Zundel's 1st trial in Toronto. After that, I don't think anyone will try it again. He was destroyed under cross-examination, and declined to participate in Zundel's 2nd trial.

    It should be noted that by the time of the trial, after >3 decades of research into the Holocaust, Hilberg had already concluded that the there was no evidence and that the Nazis must have pulled it off using ESP. In the Forward to the final, "definitive" edition of his 3 Vol. magnum opus he states that...

    In the final analysis, the destruction of the Jews was not so much a product of laws and commands as it was a matter of spirit, of shared comprehension, of consonance and synchronization [DEJ, p. 55].
     
    It must have been so, as no authoritative person has gainsaid his explanation since, and I'd wager no one ever will. The bottom line is that the revisionists are wasting their time. They have nothing to refute as no evidence has ever been presented.
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  40. ” Yes, Jews were massacred in large numbers in the East ”
    But by whom ?
    Read what the German troops found in Kiev when they came there:
    Alfred M. de Zayas, ´Die Wehrmacht-Untersuchungsstelle, Dokumentation allierter Kriegsverbrechen im Zweiten Weltkrieg’ , 1979, 2001, München

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  41. @Bardon Kaldian
    I do get Jews' obsession with shoah, but I hardly get "denialists'"" stance: this did happen, but is, due to Jewish media influence in Western societies, overblown out of proportion. No one with sane mind in Poland, Hungary, Greece, Ukraine or Russia will deny that many or most Jews were systematically murdered. This is not even the topic. What they would, reasonably, argue with that Jewish nationalists' constant drumming on the theme & emotional blackmail in trying to extort as much money as possible and advance their tribalist interests at the expense of the natives' is simply unacceptable.

    Both Irving and Goldhagen are to be despised. So far, the best holocaust book I've read- this is not the topic I am too interested in- is Kershaw's collection of essays:

    https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51oCWuJGKiL._SX330_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

    Ian Kershaw, ´Hitlers Freunde in England, Lord Londonderry und der Weg in den Krieg’, (Making Friends with Hitler. Lord Londonderry and Britain’s Road to War, 2004, London), München 2005
    a nonsense book, as is clear from reading:
    The Marquess of Londonderry, ´England blickt auf Deutschland, Um die deutsch-englische Verständigung, Essen 1938 (Ourselves and Germany, 1938)
    Unlikely that other books by Kershaw are better.

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    What this has to with the topic? I haven't read this book, so I can't say anything about it. But, this one, about Hitler, Germans and holocaust is a masterpiece, as anyone with some brain can see. It is available here: http://dl3.libgen.io/get.php?md5=08AB756A0EC462EB98D3DB29EEA588B9&key=M8LXN8SMM6DQK76N
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  42. My personal view lies somewhere in the space between these loci: 1. Adolf H is possibly a Bernard Ebbers type figure (Military disaster is a form of accounting scandal). 2. Nobody did it. 3. What was done depends on the grinding specs on the ax of the observer.

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  43. @Anon
    Unfortunately, Goldhagen’s tribalism is considered acceptable, whereas Irving’s isn’t. Today’s Palestinians — and many others — are victims of Goldhagen’s particular form of tribalism. But perhaps as the Holocaust recedes from view... tribalism itself is becoming fashionable again, too. In fact, tribalism seems to be coming into vogue again throughout the world. Look, for example, at what the U.S. Government and its Saudi and UAE partners are doing to the Houthis, a Shiite tribe, in Yemen.


    Sheesh. The problem of Goldhagen in relation to Palestinians isn't tribalism or nationalism. It is IMPERIALISM. If Zionists compromised and allowed a nation-state for Palestinians, Jewish tribalism could co-exist with Palestinian tribalism. Unfortunately, Zionists are in imperialist mode and denying the right of tribalism to the Palestinians. Jewish Globalists are tribal-imperialists. Their attitude is 'tribalism for me but not for thee'. THAT is the problem. If Jews accepted universal tribalism/nationalism, they would get along better with other nations. But even as they promote their own tribalism, they attack the tribalism of others. Jews use their influence to destroy Arab nations or sanction Iran. These Wars for Israel have led to the swamping of Europe with 'refugees'.

    Tribal-nationalism has always been defensive against imperialism. It was tribal-nationalist passions that led to wars of resistance against European and American imperialism in Vietnam and Algeria. Long live tribalism.

    EU is now neo-imperialist and seeks to undermine national sovereignty and security of European nations. Resurgent nationalism says NO to this. Tribalism is anti-imperialist. Italian tribal-populists have no designs on OTHER nations. They are nationalist and, as such, opposed to demographic imperialism of those black Africans who arrive in Italy to beat up Italian men and hump Italian women.

    The problem with Nazis wasn't tribalism or nationalism. They invaded and trampled on the tribal-nationalism of other nations. Resistance against Nazi imperialism was tribal-nationalist. And resistance against Soviet imperialism in Eastern Europe was also nationalist-imperialist. If Nazi Germany had remained tribal-nationalist and not turned imperialist, there would have been no WWII.

    What is happening in Yemen is the result of imperialism, not tribalism. It is US-Saudi-Zionist imperialism that is waging war on Yemenese struggle for sovereignty.

    Tribalist-nationalism never hurt anyone. Tibetans and Palestinians are tribal-nationalist. They want freedom and independence for their people in their own territory. Their hopes were crushed by Han Chinese and Zionist imperialism.

    Jewish Tribalism per se isn't the problem. If Jews want to preserve their tribal culture and memory, fine. If Jews want a nation of their own, fine again.
    Unfortunately, that isn't enough for Jews. They must occupy even the few remaining Palestinian territory. And they must use the hammer of US globo-homo-imperialism to wage Wars for Israel and pressure EU to put out to demographic imperialism that is totally altering the racial and cultural character of Europe.

    Goldhagen is an idiot.
    See an endnote about him in
    Christopher R. Browning, ‘Ordinary Men, Reserve Police Battalion 101 and the Final Solution in Poland’, 1992, 2001, London

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    I’d say Goldhagen is a liar more than an idiot.
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  44. @Beefcake the Mighty
    “ Himmler publicly stated in a speech on 24 February 1943 that this was necessary in order to have “exterminated a bacterium because we do not want in the end to be infected by the bacterium and die of it.” ”

    I’d think it too obvious to point out, that public speeches aren’t policy. Something strange too, about the fact that he’d be broadcasting a supposedly top-secret project (for which, as is acknowledged, no explicit documentation exists, only alleged code-words and euphemisms).

    Knowing a bit about all the nonsense published after WWII what German leaders are supposed to have said, why should this statement by true ?
    One must realise that, after WWII, anyone with negative statements about these leaders was the darling of the ‘prosecutors’, as was Speer.
    Even today it is hardly possible to state anything possible about Hitler, despite a book as
    Kai S. Schreyber (Hrsg.), ´Warum wir ADOLF HITLER wählten, Jungwähler von 1933/38 berichten’, 2001 Kiel
    The positive description of Hitler by his youngest secretary must be balanced by a long introduction asserting the opposite.
    Traudl Junge, with Melissa Müller, ‘Until the final hour’, London, 2004
    Even the widow of Von Stauffenberg was fed up with historians who knew better than she what had happened in WWII:
    Konstanze von Schulthess, ´Nina Schenk Gräfin von Stauffenberg, Ein Porträt’, München 2009

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  45. @Heros

    "it’s distinctly improbable that one could murder six million people without the nation’s leader even noticing. "
     
    Actually, the claim is 11 million of which 5 million were "gypsies, homosexuals, communists, etc". One gigantic problem the holohoaxers have is that they were already forced to walk back the claims that there were gas chambers in what is now Germany, so all these 11 million had to have been gassed/exterminated in what is now Poland, who will not allow any forensics on these 11 million to be undertaken. Poland, the nation who helped cover up Katyn for the Bolsheviks to pin it all on Germany during the sham Nuremburg trials. How convenient.

    But the math simply does not work, so what we have is narrative collapse, yet certain people like Eric Zeuss or Colin Wright choose to cling to certain "facts" that were parts of a narrative that has been proven to be false in so many places. This holocaust narrative actually goes back to the Tsar's "pogroms" when the jewish run US media already started pushing the 6 million dead in a holocaust. This narrative was repeated through the entire second world war:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sb-glOFJ3OU

    Ben Hecht sent the "we will never die" broadway pageant touring across the US in March 1943 to whip up sympathy for the same jews who had declared war on Germany in 1933. Jews were already claiming 2 million dead in 1942, but we know that was a lie. Theodore Kaufman wrote "Germany Must Perish" in 1940, before Auschwitz was even opened. This was used as the basis for the Morgentau plan which was leaked in 1944.

    So Germany and the Germans knew what the jews had planned for them even before the firebombing of Hamburg, Dresden, Berlin and the mass murder of millions of German civilians in bombing raids on civilian areas. Then in 1945 came the Hellstorm in the east and Eisenhowers Rhine Meadows death camps in the west. Real death camps with real bodies and real concentration camps filled with Germans across Siberia.

    If we deconstruct the narrative further, what we have is the jews setting Germany up with the stab in the back of 1918, jews bankrupting Germany with the reparations they agreed to in Versaille, jews declaring war on Germany in 1933, jews broadcasting that they were going to commit genocide on Germans and Germany when the war was over, then jews actually committing this genocide, then jews conducting sham trials where they project their own guilt onto the Germans for the murders and atrocities they committed (Katyn), then they implement the Morganthau plan as promised and starve millions of Germans and strip out all her industry and enslave the men while they try to mongrelize the women left behind. That is the true history of how rotten the jews are, not the kosher narrative of they how much they are persecuted.

    I think the point here is that if the Germans had conducted the holocaust, they would have been justified. However, the ultimate insult is that the people who conducted the real holocaust are still extracting reparations from Germany for the crimes they committed against the comparatively far more innocent Germany.

    It can come as no surprise then that they are willing to lock up old ladies for "holocaust denial". Bravo, Eric Zeuss and Colin Wright, for standing up for the kosher narrative.

    Hecht later got other ideas
    Ben Hecht, ‘Perfidy’, New York, 1961

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  46. “Irving noted, in a footnote, that Eichmann had testified to having been informed by Heydrich that “The Führer has ordered physical extermination,” but Irving simply dismissed that by saying: “There is no primary or secondary documentary support for such a statement.”

    This is a somewhat misleading characterization of Irving’s “dismal” of Eichmann’s testimony since Zuesse neglected to add that Irving also stated that Eichmann was prone to exaggeration, certainly an observation that would be relevant to considerations of credibility.

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    Where that quotation appears in the text, a footnote is appended to it, and one sees the footnote on page 895 of the latest edition, and all that it says to dismiss the quotation is what I have quoted in this article.

    However, having read the reader-comments up to this point (comment #46), I notice that none even so much as mentions the key quotation that I present in this article, which is "in his Secret Conversations (Table Talk) of 21 October 1941, Hitler concluded his long tirade against Jews: 'By exterminating this pest, we shall do humanity a service ...'," which should settle the matter as to whether Hitler was proud of his "extermination" of Jews, which people he held to be a "pest," and which "infection" in his other writings he called a "bacterium," just as did Himmler. So, all these reader-comments evade that admission by Hitler. Furthermore, all till now have been evading: "The Führer’s words right before his suicide — his final, supreme, statement of his war-aims — urged his people to continue the war, until victory, against what he held to be the sole real enemy: 'the poisoner of all nations, international Jewry.”" I frankly don't understand how anyone, after seeing those two statements from Hitler himself, at and near his end, can leave any reasonable doubt as to whether David Irving is a liar. My book explains why Hitler sought the extermination of Jews: he really did believe that intermarriage of them with non-Jews caused the spreading of a blood-infection. Hitler attributed every bad trait that he held to be universal among all Jews, to being the result of that "infection." He first got his idea for the extermination plan, in September 1919, which was when he entered politics in order to become enabled to effectuate his intention.
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  47. ” Despite the transparent frauds of the Holocaust-deniers inside and outside academia, there is no serious question that the Holocaust existed and that it constituted a crime of unimaginably vast scope. ”

    J.G. Burg, Schuld und Schicksal, Europas Juden zwischen Henkern und Heuchlern, München, 1962
    Victor Klemperer, ‘I will bear witness, A diary of the Nazi years, 1942-1945’, New York 1999
    Paul Rassinier, ´Was ist Wahrheit ?, Die Juden und das Dritte Reich´, Leoni am Starnberger See, 7th printing, 1981 (Le véritable procès Eichmann ou les vainqueurs incorrigibles, 1963; The Real Eichmann Trial or the Incorrigible Victors. ISBN: 0911038485, 1983)
    Elie Wiesel, ‘La Nuit’, 1958, 2007
    Eugen Kogon, ‘Der SS-Staat, Das System der deutschen Konzentrationslager’, 1974, München
    Werner Maser, ‘Fälschung, Dichtung und Wahrheit über Hitler und Stalin’, München, 2004
    Arthur R. Butz, ´The hoax of the twentieth century, The case against the presumed extermination of European Jewry’, Costa Mesa CA, 1977, 1989
    Ben Hecht, ‘Perfidy’, New York, 1961
    Neufeld and Berenbaum, editors ‘The bombing of Auschwitz’, 2000, New York
    Jan T. Gross, ‘Neighbours, The Destruction of the Jewish Community in Jedwabne, Poland, 1941’, 2003, London
    Dan Jacobson, ‘Heshels Rijk Familiekroniek’, Amsterdam 1998
    Faurisson’s 1980 article in Le Monde

    All these writers, just perfidous liars
    Of course, the murder on some two million German citizens by bombing also did not happen.
    Solly Zuckermann, ‘From Apes to Warlords, an autobiography, 1904- 46’, London 1988
    And millions of Germans were not driven from their homes, how many died or were killed by the Red Army, negligible
    Cajus Bekker, ‘Flucht übers Meer, Ostsee Deutsches Schicksal 1945′, 1964, 1999, Augsburg

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    jilles dykstra

    I have an excellent color PDF file of questions and answers about the alleged Jewish Holocaust - the hard copy is in the form of a glossy color magazine.

    If you are interested e-mail me at:

    [email protected]

    Take care

    JR
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  48. @jilles dykstra
    Ian Kershaw, ´Hitlers Freunde in England, Lord Londonderry und der Weg in den Krieg’, (Making Friends with Hitler. Lord Londonderry and Britain’s Road to War, 2004, London), München 2005
    a nonsense book, as is clear from reading:
    The Marquess of Londonderry, ´England blickt auf Deutschland, Um die deutsch-englische Verständigung, Essen 1938 (Ourselves and Germany, 1938)
    Unlikely that other books by Kershaw are better.

    What this has to with the topic? I haven’t read this book, so I can’t say anything about it. But, this one, about Hitler, Germans and holocaust is a masterpiece, as anyone with some brain can see. It is available here: http://dl3.libgen.io/get.php?md5=08AB756A0EC462EB98D3DB29EEA588B9&key=M8LXN8SMM6DQK76N

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    Can you explain which two books you're referring to ?
    I did not open your link, cannot see what more books on WWII can teach me.
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  49. HadEnough says:

    This article is nothing more than a regurgitation of the same disproven claptrap.

    You want a real holocaust? Try the Ukrainian Holodomor, Jews deliberately starving a nation to death, estimates from seven to 16.5 million Christians murdered. Why wouldn’t the Germans defend themselves when the World Jewish Council declared war against them and announced that they would “starve the Germans into submission”?

    Or 60 million Russian Christians raped, tortured and murdered by Jews in the Gulag system they created and ran throughout Russia from 1917-1989.

    Or, by definition of the Genocide Convention, the bloodless genocide they are carrying out today in America and Europe by systematically destroying people’s race, culture, heritage and religion.

    In the last two weeks the Jews shoot 9,000 unarmed civilians in Palestine, then announce in this morning’s news that they are the Supreme Race! Last month the Chief Rabbi of Israel defined African Americans as “monkeys”.

    Jewish pitymongering is wasted on me as I think it is on most people on the planet at this point.

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    About time someone realized that Jews were not the only ones who suffered in WWII. But talk about the pot calling the kettle black, Jews are responsible for much of the horrors of the Bolshevik revolution and era in Russia. They are also most definitely undesirables in the Christian world. They've not been thrown out of whole countries for nothing. Read the slanders of Christ in the Talmud--among other filth. Read Herve Ryssen. Read about the Jewish mafia, the Jewish polluting of Hollywood, of education, "cultural Marxism," and on and on and on. Pound was right: keep them out of banking, of education, and of government. With honorable exceptions, they are a destabilizing, subversive, immoral and dissolving element.
    , @Josecanuc
    
    “Jewish pitymongering is wasted on me as I think it is on most people on the planet at this point.”

    “There is a strange place, an extraordinary and interesting place called Earth. The people are all insane, the other animals are all insane, the earth is insane, Nature itself is insane. Man is a marvelous curiosity. When he is at his very best he is a sort of low-grade nickel-plated angel; at his worst he is unspeakable, unimaginable; and first and last and all the time he is a sarcasm. Moreover he thinks he is the Creator's pet. He even believes the Creator loves him; has a passion for him; sits up nights to admire him; yes, and watch over him and keep him out of trouble. He prays to Him, and thinks He listens. Fills his prayers with crude and bald and florid flatteries of Him, and thinks He sits and purrs over these. He prays for help, and favor, and protection, every day; and does it with hopefulness and confidence, too, although no prayer of his has ever been answered. The daily affront, the daily defeat, do not discourage him, he goes on praying just the same. There is something almost fine about this perseverance. He thinks he is going to heaven! Mark Twain Man the Lowest Animal

    “The human race consists of the dangerously insane and such as are not.” Twain

    Kant almost named his Critique of Pure Reason "Essay on the Sickness of the Head"...one of Kant’s conception of life was that life was a madhouse or lunatic asylum, where each inmate not only destroys his own happiness and works against his own good, but also finds his greatest pleasure in afflicting his fellows with all imaginable pain and suffering...

    “A proposition is correct if, within a logical system, it is deduced according to the accepted logical rules. A system has truth content according to the certainty and completeness of its coordination-possibility to the totality of experience. A correct proposition borrows its “truth” from the truth-content of the system to which it belongs.” Einstein
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  50. Jake says:

    “While my book doesn’t mention Irving, it does deal extensively with (among others) a writer about the Holocaust who seems to hate Germans as much as Irving seems to hate Jews: Daniel Goldhagen. The problem with both writers is that they are tribal (one a “Jew” and the other an “Aryan” — i.e., pureblooded Christian, or, at least, not “Jew”

    What? Are you unaware that there is no such thing as a Christian race in the sense that we can speak of the Jewish race? Are you unaware that it is impossible to equate Aryan with Christian, unless you are a Jew or other person who hates both Christianity/Christians and white peoples of European ancestry with an equal fury? Are you unaware that the Nazi movement was anti-Christian at its core, at times as viciously as were the Marxist and anarchist movements so beloved of Jews in Germany and elsewhere?

    At best. you are ignorant. At worst, you have created a false dichotomy to advance your case.

    The Nazi movement was evil. And so was Hitler as its most important leader. But those who have and work to transmit the religion of pure Hitler-hating, from the Christ-hating, Christendom-hating, white-peoples of Christendom-hating Marxists and anarchists of Hitler’s time down to today’s Christ-hating, Christendom-hating, white peoples of Christendom-hating ADL, SPLC, BLM, GLAAD, Open Society Foundations, SJW college professors and students, etc. are as evil as were Hitler and his minions.

    I have never read a David Irving book. From the articles I have read, both pro and con, I assume that Irving does more than a bit of quibbling over Hitler. But as the Hitler presented to the public is little more realistically human than a cartoon caricature of the embodiment of evil in crime lord, Irving’s focuses on the sentimental, tender-hearted parts of Hitler’s Germanic character traits are valid, because they were parts of the man. They do not exonerate him of his leadership of an evil movement, but they are valid. And it is that type validity that refuses to keep playing the game of making Hitler THE very essence of pure evil, pure evil only because Jews were feared and despised and killed by that evil movement, that cause people to smear and act to ruin, financially and otherwise, historians such as Irving.

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    This is how Hitler defined "Jew"; and here is how he started in 1933 to carry out his plan, based upon CHURCH membership archives:

    Eberhard Bethge, who had been a liberal Protestant cleric during the Third Reich, was interviewed in the last chapter of Augustin Hedberg's 1992 FAITH UNDER FIRE and was asked what those years had been like. Bethge commented, "'Bad blood' was the great term. You had to have Aryan blood." Hitler, in only his private statements, had defined "Aryan," as pureblooded Christian. Bethge's interviewer inquired, "So we know this Jewish poison [Jewish blood] had to be cleansed. How did they propose to do that?" Bethge replied, tellingly: "For instance, everybody in an office, in a village, in a city, in a province, in Berlin, had to prove that he had [only] Aryan ancestors. How could he do that? He could do it only if he wrote to church officers in the villages or in the cities and asked them to look in the old books of the church in which baptisms were recorded. So many pastors and church secretaries had to work for hours and hours, weeks and months to answer all these requests. 'Please give me an excerpt out of the church files that proves my ancestors had been Christians.' The church officers and the ministers, they didn't care. They did that. They said, 'How important we are now.' I was an assistant curator in the winter of '33. I had to sit all morning and look through the books and answer these letters." It was therefore the Christian clergy themselves--people indoctrinated with John 8:44, and Matthew 27:25, and Matthew 23:31-36, and Luke 19:27, etc.--who were the proud implementers of the indispensable first step in the Nazis' 12-year-long "racist" war against the Jews, by supplying the crucial raw data for segregating-out Jews. Bethge was even honest enough to admit, "We were anti-Semitic, and we thought this was Christian." The essential first step in the "final solution" was this identification of who was NOT an "Aryan," who WAS "a Jew." Hitler commanded this first step in the year he came into power, 1933, and the Christian clergy executed it with pride. And yet even today, so-called "historians" say that Hitler didn't have execution of the Jews in mind from the very start, and that Hitler was no Christian, and so forth. “Historians” have not been doing their job, for the truth. That's why the general public cannot separate propaganda from history--the latter is just an extension of the former. Compare this account of the origin off how the Nazis managed to identify who was "a Jew" and who was not, that was given in a traditional history book on that topic, Edwin Black's 2001 IBM AND THE HOLOCAUST. Christianity’s role is ignored.
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  51. Jake says:
    @Greg Bacon

    Remember the 11 million? Why an inflated victims tally irks Holocaust historians

    Yehuda Bauer, an Israeli Holocaust scholar who chairs the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance, said he warned his friend Wiesenthal, who died in 2005, about spreading the false notion that the Holocaust claimed 11 million victims – 6 million Jews and 5 million non-Jews.

    “I said to him, ‘Simon, you are telling a lie,’” Bauer recalled in an interview Tuesday. “He said, ‘Sometimes you need to do that to get the results for things you think are essential.’”

    https://www.jta.org/2017/01/31/news-opinion/united-states/remember-the-11-million-why-an-inflated-victims-tally-irks-holocaust-historians
     
    Even honest Jews will admit the 6 million number is a LIE. Then we have this, the concentration camp commander, Karl Otto Koch, who was arrested, tried and executed by the SS for being too brutal to inmates at Buchenwald and Majdanek.

    https://www.britannica.com/biography/Karl-Otto-Koch

    Now if Germany was truly running the so-called 'death camps, would they be executing a commandant for being too brutal?

    And if you're going to say the worn out phrase, Final Solution, don't forget to add the word that precedes it, TERRITORIAL. Hitler was going to move the Jews to the new territories stolen from the USSR, not kill them en masse in forced labor camps.

    My Zionist Evangelical friend admitted to me a few years back that he used to believe there were 6 million who died in the Nazi concentration camps, and that virtually all of them were Jews. Then he read some things demonstrating clearly that close to 50% of the people who died in Nazi camps were non-Jewish. Then he came to believe that close to 12 million died in the camps, 6 million of them Jews. He has almost zero interest in the Nazi hatreds of non-Germanic white peoples, and he says that even if the Nazis sent to the camps as many Polish Catholic priests as historians agree, that it just barely matters, as added guilt.

    This friend believes as he does because he has kept the Judaizing core, the Judaizing foundation, of Anglo-Saxon Puritanism. Everything in his world, all knowledge that comes to him, is filtered through that basic WASP worldview, in its contemporary ‘conservative’ Evangelical form.

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  52. dearieme says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    I always wondered why only half left. If it was easy to leave for a multi-year window, why risk it at all?
     
    One problem was finding a place that would take you in, no?

    “One problem was finding a place that would take you in, no?”

    In particular, one problem was finding a place to take you in that you were prepared to live in. For example there were more visas available for immigrating to Palestine than were taken up. Naturally, cultivated German Jews with specialised skills didn’t fancy living on the desert’s edge amongst Arabs who wanted them out.

    I imagine that many of the Jews who stayed in Germany had motives such as: (i) We can’t leave without Grandma and she refuse to budge, and (ii) We’ve seen bullying like this before in history; it will all blow over, and (iii) I am an assimilated, Christian German so they obviously can’t mean me.

    It’s striking that many Jews who left after Hitler’s assent to power returned to Germany when it was clear that pogroms hadn’t started, only to flee again after Kristallnacht.

    One part of the great tragedy was where many of them fled to: the Low Countries, France, Czechoslovakia, and so on. They hadn’t foreseen that he’d conquer all those countries and then exterminate the Jews who lived there.

    One problem with comments on WWII is that almost everything about it is seen entirely in hindsight.

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    In 1927, von Mises wrote that the Nazis had become a paramilitary party because they were being persecuted by communists. He speculated that if they achieved power, they would likely revert to German liberalism. He left, however, when the Nazis attained power.
    , @peterAUS
    Agree.
    , @Curle
    “One problem with comments on WWII“

    Comments on all history, no? Lincoln ran in certain counties of East TN on a platform of ‘Only Lincoln can preserve slavery.’
    , @Them Guys
    Yet most everybody by now must be aware of how, most every jew worldwide brags of how every year at one of the main jewish religious celebration events, I do not now recall which event, those jews recite a jewish prayer which speaks of "Next Year in Jerusalem"......and jews brag of how this prayer desire refers to how one day, the international group of jewry shall finally regain a national home for jews. And how after being called "Wandering jews" and, "The Only people Without a nation of their Own".


    Will then be done and past for then every jew worldwide will go LIVE in Palestine aka jews call it Israel, and never leave nor allow selves to be thrown out like has happened in every host nation to date, except of course for host nation #110 America, which has not yet enough awake folks to do a boot out as every prior host nation has done.


    Yet what we actually See happen about that desired jewish goal of own nation. Coincides with and proves American Founder Ben Franklin's page long speech he made at the intermission period when he and the other founders were deciding upon what to include within the usa constitution of the several state in 1789(?).


    In that us const. meeting speech Ben Franklin stated that how even if the worlds nations peoples Gave world jewry a totally Free and Clear Title Deed to Palestine for a jewish state as desired by jews everywhere. That Nothing, No amount of pay or bribes, nor other valid reasons or causes etc etc will Ever get worlds entire group of jews to actually Go Live there!


    Franklin said reason for this is due to jews are a Parasitic people, and same as Vampires and Fleas, no parasites can long exist upon each other...For a parasite always requires a Host Body, or in case of jew parasites, a Host Nation filled with its Euro Whites and Christians jews can parasite off of in order to exist....Which is why we always see that no matter the host nation, at least a full half or more of worlds jews live in and refuse to leave said host nations.


    Franklin also stated that the nations of worlds main problem gentlemen Is the jew. And unless we here now with a once in 1,000 year opportunity to create a new country from scratch, include in our new us const a clause to prevent any jew from ever gaining American citizenship status. Then believe me when I tell you all, in two hundred years from now european americans that are yet to be born or exist, but will, will be working the fields and labors to fund and supply those jewish bankers and speculators in order to fulfill their jewish greed and lust for money and control. And those yet to be born americans will end up losing the nation We men have fought so hard and paid so much in blood to obtain...Furthermore gentlemen, they shall also Curse us in our graves for wasting our once per 1,000 year chance to do it right in creating this new American nation.


    Unfortunately, even though George Washington first promoted this plan for a const clause to forbid jew citizenship, and franklin gave his very explicit well worded speech to second the motion, it failed to pass majority vote for acceptance and inclusion in us constitution when final draft was done.


    Looking at past well over 200 years now one can see just how prophetic and accurate franklins future prediction for modern day americans has turned out eh. He was 100% correct as can be period...America has been basically Lost to ruthless, nefarious, greedy, ungrateful jews that consist of but 2% gen pop at best, yet own and or control all that matters in govnt-society-culture-msm-schools-unions-Banks-and have turned it into a new boshevik jew run monster. And especially he was correct when Ben Franklin said of how, First by Gaining total controls over a nations Money, then use of that vast reserve to obtain control of the nations Newspapers (No radio or tv yet back then), and finally via money plus media press info, gain full control of nations fed govnt. Because jews are like Vampires and a vampire cannot live on the blood of another vampire, a vampire requires Fresh Blood of a real Human, and in this case the fresh blood of a Nation Is its Money for nothing moves nor exists without money.


    PS: Ben Franklin's entire full page long speech on this issue was fully recorded in writing by the S.Carolina Delegate to us const creation, in his personal journal of events held there. And it was avail to read online at several websites last I checked a couple years ago.
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  53. Momus says:
    @Erebus
    One sometimes wonders why no serious, professional historian has ever touched the Holocaust third rail. If one was mid-career at (say) Harvard, wouldn't one turn over every rock to prove it happened, guaranteeing rock star status in the History field? You'd be Faculty Dean in a heartbeat, get a seat on the Board, probably at more than one university, and travel the world with a retinue of sycophants giving lectures for sums only Bill Clinton dreams of.

    Given the claimed scale and close proximity in time, it should be a "Gimme". We aren't talking about the Peloponnesian Wars here. We're talking about a process involving millions of humans and enormous resources taking place on a continental scale within living memory. Why hasn't any sharp young History professor gone after the prize?

    Or have they, and and quietly buried their failures lest their career come to an untimely end?

    One sometimes wonders why no serious, professional historian has ever touched the Holocaust third rail.

    Eh?

    It’s already been proved that the Nazis built the ideological and physical apparatus to imprison, enslave murder and attempt to exterminate European Jewry.

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    OK- I believe you.

    Why did the National Socialist German Workers Party build the ideological and physical apparatus to imprison, enslave, murder, and attempt to exterminate European Jewry?

    For the hell of it? It's a pretty involved systematic approach, this apparatus of which you wrote.
    , @Mulegino1
    Any country that has a penal system and prisons has the "physical apparatus" to imprison a segment of its population.

    I fail to see how the Jews were enslaved. They were interned as enemy aliens and conscripted for labor- there was a critical labor shortage at the time, since most of Germany's peacetime workforce was serving in the Wehrmacht. This occurred during the greatest war in recorded history, which the international leadership of Jewry was instrumental in bringing about.

    The number of claimants for reparations exceeds the number of Jews under German control. If the Germans really had wanted to murder all of the Jews of Europe, they would have done so, and there would be only a handful of survivors, not the millions alive after the war. The fact is that few Jews were actually murdered by Germans just for being Jews. There were revenge pogroms carried out by the local population in places like Riga, but this was in response to the disproportionate Jewish presence in the Soviet government and the secret police. It had nothing to do with the Germans per se.

    On the other hand, many Jews were executed by the Germans on the Eastern Front, but not because they were Jews, but because they were commissars or involved in partisan activity.
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  54. First, even to this day, the expression “Final Solution” is a common expression in German. I remember moderating an argument between Brits and Germans (which devolved into dug-in warfare a la WW1 quite quickly), and when an agreement was finally hammered out, a German HR-type said, unironically, “So, we have a final solution.” I jokingly asked if Germans were even allowed to use that expression, and the evolution of it was explained to me: The context is, you have a first solution, then a second, and so on until you have a final solution.

    Second, the request for a signed euthenasia order is a very German reaction to a controversial order. Hitler signed, and thereby absolved his underlings of guilt, at least to their satisfaction before the end of the war, at which point the rules were changed by the victors. Something as big as the Final Solution would have certainly warranted a signature from above if it was indeed a controversial order from above being carried out by nervous subordinates. As Irving points out, anti-semitism was rife at all levels of the hierarchy, so it can’t be lightly dismissed that others more willing to advance the cause gladly set it in motion, thinking they would be heros in the eyes of the Führer. The absence of Hitler at Wansee and any signed order argues convincingly it may indeed have been the initiative of interested underlings, much the same way that the underlings of Henry II are reputed to have murdered Archbishop Beckett upon the King’s mere wish that someone make him simply go away.

    It is unlikely Hitler was oblivious to the holocaust, but once it was set in industrial-scale motion, there was little reason for him to interfere, as doing so would undermine much of the ideology upon which the party was built. There has been evidence over the years that high officials like Hitler and Himmler intervened on behalf of jews they personally knew or those known by or useful for friends, but both were control freaks who almost certainly knew what was being done in their names.

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    ... once it was set in industrial-scale motion...
     
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    The question, dufus, is not whether it was a sealed & stamped signature, or a wink from the Fuhrer that put the wheels in motion. We have evidence of neither. The question is whether the Holocaust's "industrial-scale motion" was physically possible at all. It isn't. Ergo, it's a lie. Only people who have little/no idea how the real physical world works seriously think the Holocaust possible.

    Simple, really.
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  55. Myname says:
    @NoseytheDuke
    I never questioned a word of it, not even the lampshades or the soap stories, until Irving was punished for his views. Since then, what I find to be "crass insensitivity, and an ahistorical insult" is the endless repetition of the Six Million Lie when in fact over 55 million people did die as a result of WWI, and "somehow" that incredible number has been relegated to a lesser place in history due to the creation of the Jewish victimhood meme. WWII was simply a continuation of WWI which was largely brought about, deliberately for the purpose of profit, control and creating a New World Order, by financiers in London and NY, most of whom claimed to be Jews.

    Certainly people of all stripes suffered, war by definition is evil, but since the word holocaust means a burnt offering I would think that the fire bombing of civilians in cities better fits that description than The Holocaust mythology based on gassings and incinerations on an industrial scale for which little to no hard evidence exists and much of what does can be shown to have been fabricated. It's interesting also that both Britain and the US built a variety of four engined, long range, heavy bombers ideal for laying waste to large civilian centres whilst Germany built none.

    Watch David Cole’s Auschwitz document, I agree with noseytheDuke. It also doesn’t make sense for the Germans to waste energy in transportation of Jews to the “Arbeit macht Frei” camps.

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    55 Myname > It also doesn’t make sense for the Germans to waste energy in transportation of Jews


    you're correct - but the decision was made by the same people who felt that invading Russia was sensible
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  56. Greg Bacon says: • Website
    @sarz
    It's disappointing to see that Ron Unz is apparently a believer in the systematic industrial murder of millions of Jews by the National Socialists using gas chambers.

    It would be good if Ron could get someone to present an authoritative account giving the evidence in support of such belief.

    Someone nominated by the people at codoh.com could be asked to respond.

    The psedonymous maker of Holocaust questioning documentaries, Denierbud, whose work is available at codoh, had long offered to debate any tenured academic historian on the topic. Maybe the offer still stands.

    It’s disappointing to see that Ron Unz is apparently a believer in the systematic industrial murder of millions of Jews by the National Socialists using gas chambers.

    Mr. Unz is free to believe and speak freely about any topic he wishes, while there is still Free Speech in the USA.

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    Read! No one denied Mr. Unz' freedom of speech. The commenter merely said he was disappointed. This is typical in comboxes. "Si los pendejos tuvieran alas, taparian el sol."
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  57. Thea says:

    He order the extermination of many other groups as well why are the Jews special? more Russian civilians were killed during Barbarossa than Jews overall. 20 million died in the Holocaust but only 6 million count to some people.

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    Those Russian civilians -- were they transported to "death camps" and killed in gas chambers?

    Was the 'killing of those "more than 6 million" Russian civilians the outcome of a deliberate, industrialized , plan-- documented, of course-- to kill 'every Russian civilian Nazis could get their hands on?

    Were these Russian civilians Jewish? Nolshevik? Partisans?

    Were they targeted for killing precisely because of their group identity, or because they were in a war zone?

    Answers to the queries argue AGAINST the stigmatized holocaust-of-Jews narrative.
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  58. nickels says:

    Blah blah.
    The truth is that which supports the revolution, right?
    And this revolution is about toppling Jewish hegemony over the West, which is accomplished by putting the naive goy in a guilt headlock over a fictional even that was, in fact, a war of partisans against the Germans.
    This means:
    The Holocaust was miniscule compared to:
    -the jewish Bolshevik reign of death and terror
    -the jew Marx’s chinese protege Marx’s 60 mil murders.
    -the largest ethnic cleansing in history of 10 million Germans from their native lands by the jew’s allies after ww2.
    -the murder, starvation and rape of 5 million Germans by Allies.
    -the murder of 6 million babies in the US by abortion that is a movement spearheaded by jews.

    The holocaust is over. Forget it.

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  59. Erebus says:
    @The Alarmist
    First, even to this day, the expression "Final Solution" is a common expression in German. I remember moderating an argument between Brits and Germans (which devolved into dug-in warfare a la WW1 quite quickly), and when an agreement was finally hammered out, a German HR-type said, unironically, "So, we have a final solution." I jokingly asked if Germans were even allowed to use that expression, and the evolution of it was explained to me: The context is, you have a first solution, then a second, and so on until you have a final solution.

    Second, the request for a signed euthenasia order is a very German reaction to a controversial order. Hitler signed, and thereby absolved his underlings of guilt, at least to their satisfaction before the end of the war, at which point the rules were changed by the victors. Something as big as the Final Solution would have certainly warranted a signature from above if it was indeed a controversial order from above being carried out by nervous subordinates. As Irving points out, anti-semitism was rife at all levels of the hierarchy, so it can't be lightly dismissed that others more willing to advance the cause gladly set it in motion, thinking they would be heros in the eyes of the Führer. The absence of Hitler at Wansee and any signed order argues convincingly it may indeed have been the initiative of interested underlings, much the same way that the underlings of Henry II are reputed to have murdered Archbishop Beckett upon the King's mere wish that someone make him simply go away.

    It is unlikely Hitler was oblivious to the holocaust, but once it was set in industrial-scale motion, there was little reason for him to interfere, as doing so would undermine much of the ideology upon which the party was built. There has been evidence over the years that high officials like Hitler and Himmler intervened on behalf of jews they personally knew or those known by or useful for friends, but both were control freaks who almost certainly knew what was being done in their names.

    … once it was set in industrial-scale motion…

    R

    The question, dufus, is not whether it was a sealed & stamped signature, or a wink from the Fuhrer that put the wheels in motion. We have evidence of neither. The question is whether the Holocaust’s “industrial-scale motion” was physically possible at all. It isn’t. Ergo, it’s a lie. Only people who have little/no idea how the real physical world works seriously think the Holocaust possible.

    Simple, really.

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  60. To see who put Hitler in power and who supported Hitlers wars , read Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler and Trading With the Enemy by Charles Hingham and The Crime and Punishment of I.G. Farben by Joseph Borkin.

    There are the real warmongers and the killers of humanity.

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  61. Bukowski says:

    Something is wrong with academia and the media when a proven fraud like Elie Wiesel is still held up as some kind of shining example to others – https://codoh.com/library/document/858/

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    see all below:
    fake 'holocau$t' liar Elie Wiesel accused of sexual assault
    https://medium.com/@jblistman/when-i-was-nineteen-years-old-elie-wiesel-grabbed-my-ass-10370829c4bd

    "Some stories are true that never happened."

    - Elie Wiesel

    What Elie Wiesel described in his book "Night":
    "Early the next day, Jewish boys ran off to Weimar to steal clothing and potatoes. And to rape German girls [un tsu fargvaldikn daytshe shikses]."

    The fact that inmates at Auschwitz, upon the advancement of Soviet troops, were given the choice to stay and await the the Soviets or leave with the SS is damning to the fake narrative.
    Most by far chose to leave with the 'evil' Germans.

    Some of Wiesel's exact words in "Night" are (p. 78):
    "The choice was in our hands. For once we could decide our fate for ourselves. We could both stay in the hospital, where I could, thanks to my doctor, get him [the father] entered as a patient or nurse. Or else we could follow the others. 'Well, what shall we do, father?' He was silent. 'Let's be evacuated with the others,' I told him."

    Elie's tale in this regard is corroborated by other "survivor" accounts including that of Primo Levi. In Levi's book "Survival in Auschwitz," we have his words for January 17th, 1945:

    "It was not a question of reasoning: I would probably also have followed the instinct of the flock if I had not felt so weak: fear is supremely contagious, and its immediate reaction is to make one try to run away."

    , @JoaoAlfaiate
    https://www.unz.com/article/elie-wiesel-conscience-of-mankind-and-saintly-humanitarian-or-liar-hypocrite-and-terrorist/
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  62. The evidence against an organized extermination of the Jews by the Nazis is overwhelming. If you wish to know the truth about “The Holocaust,” read the material at the website AAARGH: http://aaargh.vho.org/index.html. I am the translator of some of it.

    Cf. Serge Thion’s: A Brief History Of Revisionism (http://aaargh.vho.org/fran/livres8/STBriefHist.pdf) and Georges Theil’s: Our Mission: Dismantle the Planetary Slander In Order to Help Build an Honest World (http://aaargh.vho.org/fran/livres8/GTOurMission.pdf)

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  63. anonymous[347] • Disclaimer says:
    @Thea
    He order the extermination of many other groups as well why are the Jews special? more Russian civilians were killed during Barbarossa than Jews overall. 20 million died in the Holocaust but only 6 million count to some people.

    Those Russian civilians — were they transported to “death camps” and killed in gas chambers?

    Was the ‘killing of those “more than 6 million” Russian civilians the outcome of a deliberate, industrialized , plan– documented, of course– to kill ‘every Russian civilian Nazis could get their hands on?

    Were these Russian civilians Jewish? Nolshevik? Partisans?

    Were they targeted for killing precisely because of their group identity, or because they were in a war zone?

    Answers to the queries argue AGAINST the stigmatized holocaust-of-Jews narrative.

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    "were they transported to “death camps” and killed in gas chambers?"

    Sorry, but if some of it is a lie then all of it is a lie. Were there some truth to your statement there would be no need for embellishment with stories of lampshades and soap made from victims.
    , @Thea
    What??? Are you saying it was less a crime to kill Russian grandmas and babies because Hitler also said some unflattering things about Jews as a group?

    With the constant stream of anti-white nonsense ( often written by or promoted by Jews) there is no moral high ground held by Jews here. Other groups suffered, often in greater
    Numbers.
    , @Svigor
    Jews: "race, group, etc., doesn't matter. We should be race-blind. People are people."

    Also Jews: "the holocaust was the worst thing in history because it targeted the Jewish people (P.S., the other 6m who were murdered are chopped liver as far as we're concerned; barely worth mentioning)."

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  64. Wally says:
    @Colin Wright
    I'm sorry. I'd be all for reading a coherent summary of the evidence that Hitler did order the Holocaust -- but this ain't it.

    I got half-way through the second excerpt before I gave up. We'd already logged one fact that argued against Hitler having ordered the Holocaust -- his willingness to sign an order for the euthanasia program. Obviously -- or one would think it was obvious -- a demonstrated willingness to sign other orders for mass murder hardly bolsters the case for the argument that Hitler wanted the Holocaust but was unwilling to issue a written order for it.

    Then we have a simple irrelevancy -- Himmler's acknowledgment of the Holocaust. Then there's a misrepresentation of the facts. Supposedly, Hitler was being grossly and consciously unrealistic when he proposed the Madagascar Plan in June 1940 because that would have required the defeat of France and Britain.

    Ahem. France was defeated in June 1940. Hitler did indeed think Britain was as well. So it would seem that the Madagascar Plan was proposed in all seriousness. Far from France and Britain being defeated being a pipe-dream, that June it seemed to be a reality.

    Finally, we have the claim that Schacht was fired because he was too successful at resettling Jews.

    ! Schacht was fired because he wouldn't endorse Hitler's increasingly risky ploys to finance rearmament -- not because he succeeded in driving Jews out of Germany.

    I am skeptical of Irving's thesis; it's distinctly improbable that one could murder six million people without the nation's leader even noticing. As I say, I'm all for reading an article that effectively marshals the evidence for the counter-argument. This piece isn't it, however.

    Show is the alleged remains of 6,000,000 Jews & 5,000,000 others that are claimed to to exist to this day in alleged known locations.Many are even marked as such.
    Now see these:
    Sobibor ‘monument’ supposedly over the remains of 250,000 Jew, actual remains of the alleged 250,000 cannot be shown.

    Alleged “ash pond” for 1,100,000 Jew remains at Auschwitz, no actual remains can be shown.

    Alleged location of Treblinka mass graves / remains for 900,000 Jews according to Treblinka officials, no alleged remains can be shown

    http://www.codoh.com

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    That gray stuff looks like the bottom level rocks of a road waiting to be covered with smaller gravel then concrete and asphalt.
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  65. Wally says:
    @Bukowski
    Something is wrong with academia and the media when a proven fraud like Elie Wiesel is still held up as some kind of shining example to others - https://codoh.com/library/document/858/

    see all below:
    fake ‘holocau$t’ liar Elie Wiesel accused of sexual assault

    https://medium.com/@jblistman/when-i-was-nineteen-years-old-elie-wiesel-grabbed-my-ass-10370829c4bd


    “Some stories are true that never happened.”

    - Elie Wiesel

    What Elie Wiesel described in his book “Night”:
    “Early the next day, Jewish boys ran off to Weimar to steal clothing and potatoes. And to rape German girls [un tsu fargvaldikn daytshe shikses].”

    The fact that inmates at Auschwitz, upon the advancement of Soviet troops, were given the choice to stay and await the the Soviets or leave with the SS is damning to the fake narrative.
    Most by far chose to leave with the ‘evil’ Germans.

    Some of Wiesel’s exact words in “Night” are (p. 78):
    “The choice was in our hands. For once we could decide our fate for ourselves. We could both stay in the hospital, where I could, thanks to my doctor, get him [the father] entered as a patient or nurse. Or else we could follow the others. ‘Well, what shall we do, father?’ He was silent. ‘Let’s be evacuated with the others,’ I told him.”

    Elie’s tale in this regard is corroborated by other “survivor” accounts including that of Primo Levi. In Levi’s book “Survival in Auschwitz,” we have his words for January 17th, 1945:

    “It was not a question of reasoning: I would probably also have followed the instinct of the flock if I had not felt so weak: fear is supremely contagious, and its immediate reaction is to make one try to run away.”

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  66. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @utu
    Eric Zuesse hates Christianity and Catholic Church in particular, so he decided to implicate it in Holocaust claiming that Hitler's true motives behind planning and executing the Holocaust was Christianity. Just another Christianity hating kook.

    Thanks for the information. It’s always good to know an author’s biases and prejudices.

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  67. Mulegino1 says:

    Of course you will never forget- how could you? This “Mother of all big lies” is the most lucrative extortion racket in history and it still goes on, and it will soon be claimed that the trauma suffered by the survivors has been passed epigenetically to their descendants, so that the shekels can continue to flow forever.

    This anti-European and anti-Christian blood libel has served as the justification of the brutal expropriation of Palestine, the Manichean narrative of the “Good War” against the “Evil Nazis”, NATO hegemony over the EU and the guilt shaming of virtually all Christians in Europe or of European descent.

    Once the alleged event is defined in factual terms, it is falsifiable. The core of the false narrative is this:

    During the period of 1939-1945, National Socialist Germany- acting upon orders from Hitler (which were never given ) murdered some 6 million Jews, most of them with poison gas at 6 distinct locations in General Governmant Poland, Upper Silesia and Wartheland: Auschwitz-Birkenau, Majdanek-Lublin, Chelmno, Belzec, Sobibor, and Treblinka II.

    Due to the complete lack of physical or authentic evidence for any “industrial scale mass murder” at any of the camps, the entire narrative depends upon the testimony of eyewitnesses, most of whose claims are impossible fantasies, and many of which were coerced by torture, such as those of Rudolf Hoess, the former commandant of Auschwitz-Birkenau who was tortured for nearly a week by a team of British commandos under the command of one Bernard Clarke. The entire Nuremberg fable of mass gassings at Auschwitz-Birkenau rests almost entirely upon absurd claims of Hoess, most of which are not even given credence to anymore , since there is no corroborating physical evidence for them and they are logistically and technically impossible. (2000 people inside an unheated morgue cannot be killed by dropping pellets of a commercially available pesticide down a makeshift hole onto an unheated concrete floor; a body cannot be cremated in 10 or 15 minutes, men cannot walk around a chamber filled with poison gas eating and smoking, etc.)

    The so called “gas chamber” at Auschwitz main camp is a postwar construction or mock up of a morgue (mere yards away from the hospital) which was later converted to a bomb shelter.

    The so called “gas chambers” at Birkenau were designed and used as underground morgues. No mass gassings ever occurred in these areas, as forensic analysis of the brickwork shows. While the delousing chambers, which employed Zyklon-B and state of the art technology to disinfect clothing and bedding, still to this day show abundant traces of blue staining -Prussian Blue- which is caused by the active ingredient in Zyklon-B- hydrocyanic acid bonding with the iron in the masonry- up to 13,000 ppm in some cases- the remaining brickwork of the morgues or alleged “homicidal gas chambers” show no traces of iron cyanide compounds. None.

    Besides, the claims of mass gassings of 2000 people at a time are a logistical impossibility from any standpoint. It would take days and weeks to clear the chamber, remove the bodies and cremate them, even provided that the 52 cremation retorts were all in use and no time was given for cooling and maintenance, which means they would have been destroyed within a very short period and thus need replacing- something which never occurred, according to the camp records.

    There is virtually no physical evidence that anything like hundreds of thousands of Jews were murdered by the Germans, let alone over 4,000,000.

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    Yes, you are right, but Jews, who were taken to the Soviet Union mostly did not appear later. It is impossible to know exactly (or even roughly) what happened to them, there was the war, there were camps on both sides. But we do know that most deaths of Jews did not happen in the Western Europe or West Poland (that is, the area about west of the present Polish east boundary), but in the East (the Soviet Union of 1941 after taking Baltic states and East Poland). The Jewish dead in the West and Western Poland were about 1 million according to the accepted figures given for ghettos and work camps, war and all other things (for German camps alone 0.76M in my calculation), the rest is in the East. We do not know what exactly happened in the East. Germans shot some number (maybe 500,000?), many died in German camps, many evacuated died in Soviet camps, there was the war. In some way an additional 2 million+ (probably) died in the East bringing the death toll to 3-3.5 million (unless you have better information). It is known more or less how many survived, but it was a major war, and there is no hard evidence for a planned genocide.
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  68. David says:
    @dearieme
    "One problem was finding a place that would take you in, no?"

    In particular, one problem was finding a place to take you in that you were prepared to live in. For example there were more visas available for immigrating to Palestine than were taken up. Naturally, cultivated German Jews with specialised skills didn't fancy living on the desert's edge amongst Arabs who wanted them out.

    I imagine that many of the Jews who stayed in Germany had motives such as: (i) We can't leave without Grandma and she refuse to budge, and (ii) We've seen bullying like this before in history; it will all blow over, and (iii) I am an assimilated, Christian German so they obviously can't mean me.

    It's striking that many Jews who left after Hitler's assent to power returned to Germany when it was clear that pogroms hadn't started, only to flee again after Kristallnacht.

    One part of the great tragedy was where many of them fled to: the Low Countries, France, Czechoslovakia, and so on. They hadn't foreseen that he'd conquer all those countries and then exterminate the Jews who lived there.

    One problem with comments on WWII is that almost everything about it is seen entirely in hindsight.

    In 1927, von Mises wrote that the Nazis had become a paramilitary party because they were being persecuted by communists. He speculated that if they achieved power, they would likely revert to German liberalism. He left, however, when the Nazis attained power.

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  69. anonymous[739] • Disclaimer says:

    The best way to understand the 6 Million Gassed Jews Holocaust is to see it as yet another fundamentalist religious myth the same as other highly ethno centrist Jewish religious Myths in the Jewish Old Testament.

    Take the myth of the parting of the Red Sea in the Book of Exodus. Watch the Cecil B Demille movie “The Ten Commandments”

    Now is the Jewish religious myth about the Jewish tribal God Jehovah parting the Red Sea to allow the Jew’s God’s Chosen People to escape the Evil Egyptians (definitely not God’s Chosen People) is that fair and honest history backed up by science?

    No of course not.

    It’s scientifically impossible, the Jews would have got stuck in the mud, plus nobody else wrote about this incredible once in a lifetime event.

    But, this Jewish ethnocentric religious myth of the Parting of the Red Sea got forced on our people by the forced fundamentalist religion of Judeo Christianity. All the Jewish ethno centric myths in the Old Testament are true, because….

    BECAUSE IT’S THE TRUTH, BIBLICAL TRUTH

    IT’S THE BIBLE

    Anybody that questions any part of the Old Testament Jewish myths is s religious heretic, an “Unbeliever” a denier of God’s BIBLE and that religious heretic gets persecuted, things like getting burnt at the stake, driven out of respectable society.

    It’s the same with the 6 Million Gassed Jews religious myth – so much of the official Holocaust story is impossible from a scientific standpoint, even most of the official Holocaust industry now admits there were no gassing of Jews in Camps in Germany, but the 6 Million Gassed jews myth just gets spun that all the gassing killings happened in C Camps in Poland.

    Last year the Prime Minister of Israel tried to spin the 6 Million Gassed Jews Holocaust myth as the fault of the Palestinian Arabs not Hitler and the Germans – he argued that Hitler did just want to expel European Jews to Madagascar or Palestine/Israel but the Evil Palestinian Arab Mufti of Jerusalem supposed convinced Hitler that the Jews had to all be killed, exterminate.

    So we’re still stuck with this fundamentalist Jewish – Judeo Christian religious Myth of the 6 Million Gassed Jews and all Germans, all White Americans, pretty much all White Gentile people still alive on planet earth are somehow all guilty of this worst ever sin against the Jewish people – God’s Chosen People.

    Yes, the religious myth of the 6 Million Gassed Jews has become a foundation myth in Western Europe, Canada and the USA – it’s become a form of blasphemy to deny any small portion of this myth.

    Don’t believe me?

    Just try to publicly question any part of the official myth – you will be labeled a religious heretic, an “unbeliever” a…

    HOLOCAUST DENIER

    And this blasphemy is an official state crime in countries like Germany and Canada.

    We even have an official religious temple on our Washington Mall the “Holocaust Museum”!

    Nah.

    I go with defending our rights for freedom of thought and to study real history such as that written by the honest historian David Irving.

    I as a midwestern White British American Anglo, Gentile born in 1961 am not in any way guilty for this supposed worst crime in history.

    I don’t feel guilty about anything that happened, or didn’t happen or is exaggerated that happened in Poland or anywhere else in Central and Eastern Europe.

    The German people were, are a good people, so are Russians, Ukrainians, Poles, Latvians, Finns.

    If our people are so bad why do all the other people in the world including Jews insist on trying to gate crash and move in to live near us?

    Is it my fault the Jewish people can’t seem to get along with anyone else – not the Palestinians, not the Syrians, Not the Lebanese, not the Iranians, not the Poles, Russians, Ukrainians, French Dutch or the Germans?

    One suggestion is to just take off this huge chip on the shoulder and admit that….

    The Jews are not Gods Chosen People – they are a people like other people, some good, some not so good.

    Jews are not the only people to suffer in World War II or before and afterwords under Communism.

    So to sum up my comment.

    I do not believe in the 6 Million Gassed Jews religious myth – it is not fair and impartial history, the German people and all remaining White European Gentiles are not condemned for yes GENOCIDE and replacement by mass immigration migration invasions because of the original sin of the 6 Million gassed Jews.

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  70. @NoseytheDuke
    I never questioned a word of it, not even the lampshades or the soap stories, until Irving was punished for his views. Since then, what I find to be "crass insensitivity, and an ahistorical insult" is the endless repetition of the Six Million Lie when in fact over 55 million people did die as a result of WWI, and "somehow" that incredible number has been relegated to a lesser place in history due to the creation of the Jewish victimhood meme. WWII was simply a continuation of WWI which was largely brought about, deliberately for the purpose of profit, control and creating a New World Order, by financiers in London and NY, most of whom claimed to be Jews.

    Certainly people of all stripes suffered, war by definition is evil, but since the word holocaust means a burnt offering I would think that the fire bombing of civilians in cities better fits that description than The Holocaust mythology based on gassings and incinerations on an industrial scale for which little to no hard evidence exists and much of what does can be shown to have been fabricated. It's interesting also that both Britain and the US built a variety of four engined, long range, heavy bombers ideal for laying waste to large civilian centres whilst Germany built none.

    Like you, I never questioned the official narrative. In fairness, any time the topic was raised, my parents, if near enough to hear, shut down the conversation quickly. In retrospect, it was obvious that they thought it was bullshit.
    My awakening came with the Zundel trials in Toronto. Despite an obviously hostile judge, Zundel’s lawyer, the late Doug Christie, made fools out of author Raul Hilberg, pathological liar Rudolf Vrba (whose hearsay evidence was the basis for Nuremberg), and “survivor” Arnold Friedman, prisoner number B14515 and his coloured smoke from crematoria story. Zundel’s own witnesses, which included “death camp survivors” Irving in the 2nd trial, and experts in their fields, demonstrated the physical impossibility of the gas chamber and crematoria narratives.
    The trial transcripts are available online. Although a tedious read it becomes comedy when the prosecution witnesses, in answers to Christie’s questions, utterly destroy their own credibility.

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    Yup.

    My awakening came with the Zundel trials in Toronto.
     
    Mine too, regarding the official truth and (some) governments reaction to challenging it.

    Still, does not change, IMHO, the core issue:
    An organized effort by an advanced European state, to eradicate an ethnic minority from within. All of them.
    Keywords "eradicate" and the most important, ALL.

    There was something there much deeper than just politics, anger against the group, war and such.
    Something...I don't know....primordial...mythical......religious.....?

    I guess that deep "thing" combined with advanced European state made it, and still makes it, so......what...frightening for some, and interesting for some other.
    , @Skeptikal
    "The trial transcripts are available online."

    I don't know of this trial.
    Do you have a link for the transcripts?
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  71. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @sarz
    It's disappointing to see that Ron Unz is apparently a believer in the systematic industrial murder of millions of Jews by the National Socialists using gas chambers.

    It would be good if Ron could get someone to present an authoritative account giving the evidence in support of such belief.

    Someone nominated by the people at codoh.com could be asked to respond.

    The psedonymous maker of Holocaust questioning documentaries, Denierbud, whose work is available at codoh, had long offered to debate any tenured academic historian on the topic. Maybe the offer still stands.

    From the articles he’s posted, it seems to me that Ron Unz is very open minded about the subject. He presents articles from every side of the endless WW2 debates

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  72. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @jilles dykstra
    Goldhagen is an idiot.
    See an endnote about him in
    Christopher R. Browning, ‘Ordinary Men, Reserve Police Battalion 101 and the Final Solution in Poland’, 1992, 2001, London

    I’d say Goldhagen is a liar more than an idiot.

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  73. Wally says:
    @Colin Wright
    I'm sorry. I'd be all for reading a coherent summary of the evidence that Hitler did order the Holocaust -- but this ain't it.

    I got half-way through the second excerpt before I gave up. We'd already logged one fact that argued against Hitler having ordered the Holocaust -- his willingness to sign an order for the euthanasia program. Obviously -- or one would think it was obvious -- a demonstrated willingness to sign other orders for mass murder hardly bolsters the case for the argument that Hitler wanted the Holocaust but was unwilling to issue a written order for it.

    Then we have a simple irrelevancy -- Himmler's acknowledgment of the Holocaust. Then there's a misrepresentation of the facts. Supposedly, Hitler was being grossly and consciously unrealistic when he proposed the Madagascar Plan in June 1940 because that would have required the defeat of France and Britain.

    Ahem. France was defeated in June 1940. Hitler did indeed think Britain was as well. So it would seem that the Madagascar Plan was proposed in all seriousness. Far from France and Britain being defeated being a pipe-dream, that June it seemed to be a reality.

    Finally, we have the claim that Schacht was fired because he was too successful at resettling Jews.

    ! Schacht was fired because he wouldn't endorse Hitler's increasingly risky ploys to finance rearmament -- not because he succeeded in driving Jews out of Germany.

    I am skeptical of Irving's thesis; it's distinctly improbable that one could murder six million people without the nation's leader even noticing. As I say, I'm all for reading an article that effectively marshals the evidence for the counter-argument. This piece isn't it, however.

    As for Zuess’s laughably cited ‘Eichmann Interrogated’, READ ALL OF THIS:

    - even “holocaust historian” Browning said:
    “Clearly, anyone who wants to dismiss Eichmann’s testimonies on the grounds of their demonstrated unreliability and shameless self-serving lies can easily do so, and many of my colleagues have done precisely this.”

    from: Eichmann Interrogated, transcripts from the Archives of the Israeli Police, edited by Jochen von Lang in collaboration with Claus Sibyll. Translated from the German by Ralph Manheim. Farrar, Straus, and Giroux, New York, 1983, 293pp:

    - Eichmann claims to have witnessed mass slaughter on a grand scale at Auschwitz in the fall of 1941, where the camp commandant, Rudolf Hoess, informed him that the great, factory-like buildings, the chimneys of which belch smoke, are “working to capacity: Ten thousand!”
    This is months before the Auschwitz typhus control crematoria were constructed, let alone in use.
    - Eichmann talks of Treblinka – but then he’s not sure if it’s Treblinka – where he says gassings were being carried out with a submarine engine (diesel); he claims at places near Minsk and Lemberg, mass shootings were taking place, including one mass grave from which he said:
    “blood was gushing out … like a geyser”
    .
    IOW, he copied Wiesel who said the same absurd thing.

    - On Treblinka of 1941, Eichmann claimed gassings were carried out with the insecticide Zyklon-B. Treblinka, however, is supposed not to have been functioning as an extermination center until the summer of 1942, nor was Zyklon-B ever claimed to have been employed there.

    - Eichmann even offers substantiation for the six-million claim-he says he’s worked out the numbers from reading ***Jewish almanacs***, he persistently rejects the accusation that he was the organizer of the “Final Solution” or the “flywheel of the extermination machine.”

    - The ‘holocaust’ Industry’s own Mark Roseman said: Both Rudolf Hoess’s and Eichmann’s testimonies lack credibility.

    - much more on Eichmann Interrogated:

    http://vho.org/GB/Journals/JHR/6/2/OKeefe237-240.html

    I dare anyone to bring up Eichmann’s alleged ‘diary’.
    http://www.codoh.com

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    “Eichmann....flywheel of the extermination machine.”
     
    Benthic Wally... flywheel of the denier/liar machine.
    , @Reinhard Horn

    - Eichmann claims to have witnessed mass slaughter on a grand scale at Auschwitz in the fall of 1941, where the camp commandant, Rudolf Hoess, informed him that the great, factory-like buildings, the chimneys of which belch smoke, are “working to capacity: Ten thousand!”
    This is months before the Auschwitz typhus control crematoria were constructed, let alone in use.
    - Eichmann talks of Treblinka – but then he’s not sure if it’s Treblinka – where he says gassings were being carried out with a submarine engine (diesel); he claims at places near Minsk and Lemberg, mass shootings were taking place, including one mass grave from which he said:
    “blood was gushing out … like a geyser”.
    IOW, he copied Wiesel who said the same absurd thing.
     
    Also interesting what the Auschwitz Order Book had actually to say:
    https://archive.org/details/StandortUndKommandanturbefehleDesKonzentrationslagersAuschwitz19401945

    Can you spot a Holocaust there? I can't.
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  74. anonymous[739] • Disclaimer says:
    @jilles dykstra
    " Despite the transparent frauds of the Holocaust-deniers inside and outside academia, there is no serious question that the Holocaust existed and that it constituted a crime of unimaginably vast scope. "

    J.G. Burg, Schuld und Schicksal, Europas Juden zwischen Henkern und Heuchlern, München, 1962
    Victor Klemperer, ‘I will bear witness, A diary of the Nazi years, 1942-1945’, New York 1999
    Paul Rassinier, ´Was ist Wahrheit ?, Die Juden und das Dritte Reich´, Leoni am Starnberger See, 7th printing, 1981 (Le véritable procès Eichmann ou les vainqueurs incorrigibles, 1963; The Real Eichmann Trial or the Incorrigible Victors. ISBN: 0911038485, 1983)
    Elie Wiesel, 'La Nuit', 1958, 2007
    Eugen Kogon, ‘Der SS-Staat, Das System der deutschen Konzentrationslager’, 1974, München
    Werner Maser, 'Fälschung, Dichtung und Wahrheit über Hitler und Stalin', München, 2004
    Arthur R. Butz, ´The hoax of the twentieth century, The case against the presumed extermination of European Jewry’, Costa Mesa CA, 1977, 1989
    Ben Hecht, ‘Perfidy’, New York, 1961
    Neufeld and Berenbaum, editors ‘The bombing of Auschwitz’, 2000, New York
    Jan T. Gross, ‘Neighbours, The Destruction of the Jewish Community in Jedwabne, Poland, 1941’, 2003, London
    Dan Jacobson, ‘Heshels Rijk Familiekroniek’, Amsterdam 1998
    Faurisson's 1980 article in Le Monde

    All these writers, just perfidous liars
    Of course, the murder on some two million German citizens by bombing also did not happen.
    Solly Zuckermann, ‘From Apes to Warlords, an autobiography, 1904- 46’, London 1988
    And millions of Germans were not driven from their homes, how many died or were killed by the Red Army, negligible
    Cajus Bekker, 'Flucht übers Meer, Ostsee Deutsches Schicksal 1945', 1964, 1999, Augsburg

    jilles dykstra

    I have an excellent color PDF file of questions and answers about the alleged Jewish Holocaust – the hard copy is in the form of a glossy color magazine.

    If you are interested e-mail me at:

    [email protected]

    Take care

    JR

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    Thanks.
    But for a discussion elsewhere I once made a list of my books on the jewish persections, 39.
    The problem with the holocaust is the same as with the Armenian genocide, both have become such a part of identities that rational arguments have no effect.
    On top of that, discusision of the jewish persecutions, denied by nobody, as Armenian casualties are not denied by anybody, distracts from the, in my opinion, prime issue: why was there a WW II with at least 60 million deaths, among these 10 million Germans, and how does WWII allied propagada affect present day policies to this day ?
    Did Merkel welcome mass immigration to change the German people ?
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  75. A once interesting subject has been beaten into the ground by endless discussion. Likely because it serves to distract from Jewish supremacism in Israel.

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  76. I cannot believe that I am reading this ‘Hitler’ shit in anno domini 2018.

    Professor Emeritus at the US Naval Post-Graduate School, RHS Stolfi, published the definitive book, the ultimate book, the final solution Hitler book in 2011. I suggest you all peruse it.

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    Sorry, I believe you meant to say Common Era 2018.
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  77. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Wally
    Show is the alleged remains of 6,000,000 Jews & 5,000,000 others that are claimed to to exist to this day in alleged known locations.Many are even marked as such.
    Now see these:
    Sobibor ‘monument’ supposedly over the remains of 250,000 Jew, actual remains of the alleged 250,000 cannot be shown.
    https://www.scrapbookpages.com/Poland/Sobibor/SobiborMonument04.jpg

    Alleged “ash pond” for 1,100,000 Jew remains at Auschwitz, no actual remains can be shown.
    https://furtherglory.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/ashpondandsauna.jpg?w=300&h=198

    Alleged location of Treblinka mass graves / remains for 900,000 Jews according to Treblinka officials, no alleged remains can be shown
    https://www.scrapbookpages.com/Poland/Treblinka/Treblinka29.jpg

    www.codoh.com

    That gray stuff looks like the bottom level rocks of a road waiting to be covered with smaller gravel then concrete and asphalt.

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    Perhaps, but it's not.
    It's a permanent part of the site. Pure theater.
    Such is the fraud.

    recommended:
    Sites Where Excavations Are Physically Obstructed, Blocked
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=9171


    “It is a truism that almost any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so.”
    - Robert Heinlein
     
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  78. bj says:

    David Irving discusses the veracity of Adolf Eichmann’s testimony and memoirs in the following linked video. Eric Zuesse’s derivative history fails to question the motive of Eichmann’s self serving testimony.

    IMO-”David Irving Jailed and Beaten For Telling Truth of 2nd World War” is one of Irving’s best efforts to offer a balanced interpretation of the complex historical record, with its contradictory facts and testimonies. Eric Zuesse repeats the official history of the victor’s of WWII, enabling the continuing blood libel against the German people. Zuesse’s history is entirely derivative, edited, and suspect.

    One of the best evidences of truth is orthodoxies effort to discredit and destroy David Irving and his original work. Eric Zuesse is either a useful idiot or simply a dishonest collaborator with the campaign to bury and muddy the truth!

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  79. Wally says:
    @Colin Wright
    I'm sorry. I'd be all for reading a coherent summary of the evidence that Hitler did order the Holocaust -- but this ain't it.

    I got half-way through the second excerpt before I gave up. We'd already logged one fact that argued against Hitler having ordered the Holocaust -- his willingness to sign an order for the euthanasia program. Obviously -- or one would think it was obvious -- a demonstrated willingness to sign other orders for mass murder hardly bolsters the case for the argument that Hitler wanted the Holocaust but was unwilling to issue a written order for it.

    Then we have a simple irrelevancy -- Himmler's acknowledgment of the Holocaust. Then there's a misrepresentation of the facts. Supposedly, Hitler was being grossly and consciously unrealistic when he proposed the Madagascar Plan in June 1940 because that would have required the defeat of France and Britain.

    Ahem. France was defeated in June 1940. Hitler did indeed think Britain was as well. So it would seem that the Madagascar Plan was proposed in all seriousness. Far from France and Britain being defeated being a pipe-dream, that June it seemed to be a reality.

    Finally, we have the claim that Schacht was fired because he was too successful at resettling Jews.

    ! Schacht was fired because he wouldn't endorse Hitler's increasingly risky ploys to finance rearmament -- not because he succeeded in driving Jews out of Germany.

    I am skeptical of Irving's thesis; it's distinctly improbable that one could murder six million people without the nation's leader even noticing. As I say, I'm all for reading an article that effectively marshals the evidence for the counter-argument. This piece isn't it, however.

    David Irving found this:

    How the Film Evidence at Nuremberg was faked
    From the files of Justice Robert H Jackson, US chief prosecutor at Nuremberg.

    http://www.fpp.co.uk/History/General/Nbg/DeanIMT161145.html

    http://www.codoh.com

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  80. @Thomm
    Speaking of Hitler, Roosh wrote a famous article about how White Trashionalists are using that as a crutch :

    http://www.rooshv.com/are-there-differences-in-race

    "I strongly suspect that active participation in white nationalist circles is a cover for feelings of personal inferiority."

    He is way too generous. He says it is only 'feelings'. I say it is outright, self-evident inferiority of defective whites relative to mainstream whites like me.

    Progressive whites are the most backward people on the planet. They think that buggery can consummate a marriage. Even the naked Yanomami aren’t that stupid.

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    'Progressive whites are the most backward people on the planet. They think that buggery can consummate a marriage. Even the naked Yanomami aren’t that stupid.'

    Excellent point, sir, quite right, nothing trifling there.
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  81. @jilles dykstra
    " I am skeptical of Irving’s thesis; it’s distinctly improbable that one could murder six million people without the nation’s leader even noticing "

    But what if it did not happen ?
    Even jew Klemperer wusste nicht, those he visited after the Dresden bombing made it possible to travel to old acquintences, new identity, far away, did not even know that jews were persecuted.
    ANONYMOUS, ‘The Myth of Six Million’, Los Angelos, 1973, 1969
    Victor Klemperer, ‘I will bear witness, A diary of the Nazi years, 1942-1945’, New York 1999

    ‘…But what if it did not happen ?’

    It happened. In 1939, there were 9.5 million Jews in Europe; in 1945 there were 3.8 million. 5.7 million Jews vanished. Where did they go?

    There are lots of interesting arguments and discussions to have about World War Two, Nazism, Hitler, etc, etc. However, whether or not the Holocaust in fact happened is not one of them. You might as well question the existence of Australia.

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    And
    you could question yourself:

    http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=85432

    according to the World Almanac the world population of Jews increased (!) between 1933 and 1948 from 15,315,000 to 15,753,000.

    , @jilles dykstra
    ANONYMOUS, ‘The Myth of Six Million’, Los Angelos, 1973, 1969
    , @Wally
    said:
    "It happened. In 1939, there were 9.5 million Jews in Europe; in 1945 there were 3.8 million. 5.7 million Jews vanished. Where did they go? There are lots of interesting arguments and discussions to have about World War Two, Nazism, Hitler, etc, etc. However, whether or not the Holocaust in fact happened is not one of them. You might as well question the existence of Australia."

    - So is that why you cannot refute the arguments made against the impossible absurdities? Why do you dodge?


    - What's the source of those numbers? The usual Zionist liars?

    - If Jews are so sure that millions of Jews were murdered, then why do they ask Revisionists such dumb questions like "so then, what happened to them?" Jews went where Jews are. But Jews tell us that murdered Jews WENT to huge mass graves and that to this day they know the locations of these alleged mass graves. So why don't they excavate the alleged enormous 'mass graves', show the world the millions of Jew corpses, and prove their point?

    - The mere fact that there are endless "survivors" when it's claimed that 'the Germans tried to kill every Jew they could get their hands on' blows away the impossible '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers'.

    - Tell us how the ridiculously alleged 'gas chambers' were supposed to have worked.

    - No doubt the past worldwide belief in witchcraft also proved the existence of Australia.

    www.codoh.com
    , @MrB
    Really, you believe figures of jews having been counted pre war as correct and in 1945 counting jews again in a war ravaged continent split in two by the Russian block and when being jewish was best kept as a secret?
    , @Wally
    The alleged number of Jews is complete nonsense. There are many, many more then they let on. Here's proof:

    Most Jews are not 'religious' so they do not say they are Jews in census questions about religion. They consider themselves Jews nonetheless. They want you to think they are so few & helpless victims when in fact they create massive resentment towards themselves by their owns actions.

    According to Jewish law Jews are to avoid being counted.

    "To actually count Jews directly is forbidden (Talmud, Yoma 22b), as the prophet says: "And the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which shall neither be measured nor counted."
    http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/896203/jewish/Laws-of-Counting-Jews.htm
     
    and:
    'Why is it forbidden to count Jews?'
    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/18472

    "This opening verse of our Biblical portion teaches that it is forbidden to take a number count of the Israelites, a census activity which Jewish organizations are constantly involved in doing. This prohibition is reinforced by the prophet Hosea (chapter 2), when he declares: “The number of the children of Israel shall be as the sands of the sea, which cannot be numbered and cannot be counted…” And historically even King David learned the bitter lesson of the power of this command, when- against the will of his Chief Commander Joab - he ordered a census, and the Israelites suffered a plague (II Samuel, 24). "
     
    and:

    "We reached the [Balfour] Declaration not by miracles, but through persistent propaganda, through unceasing demonstration of the life force of our people. We told the responsible authorities: We will establish ourselves in Palestine whether you like it or not. You can hasten our arrival or you can equally retard it. It is however better for you to help us so as to avoid our constructive powers being turned into a destructive power which will overthrow the world."
    - World Zionist leader [1st President of Israël] Chaim Weizmann, speech in Jerusalem, December 1919.
     
    www.codoh.com
    , @anon

    It happened. In 1939, there were 9.5 million Jews in Europe; in 1945 there were 3.8 million. 5.7 million Jews vanished. Where did they go?
     
    5.7 million Jews had Jewish mothers-in-law.

    What would you do if you had a Jewish mil and a situation of chaos enabling you to disappear & start a new life -- no alimony, no child support, no lawyers, therapists, rabbis haranguing you -- you're 18 again and the world is your oyster K
    , @Anon
    Censuses are done every 10 years. So there would have been no censuses done in 1945 especially as the allies had invaded the continent, the Russians on their way to Germany and the worst fighting was going on.

    If you’re citing a Jewish source, it’s most probably a lie.
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  82. Let’s get to the real question: Hitler was a pervert. But what kind?

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  83. Wally says:
    @Anon
    That gray stuff looks like the bottom level rocks of a road waiting to be covered with smaller gravel then concrete and asphalt.

    Perhaps, but it’s not.
    It’s a permanent part of the site. Pure theater.
    Such is the fraud.

    recommended:
    Sites Where Excavations Are Physically Obstructed, Blocked

    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=9171

    “It is a truism that almost any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so.”
    - Robert Heinlein

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  84. Anon[156] • Disclaimer says: • Website

    It is important to realize that the Holocaust is a complete hoax. That is
    #1 – there was no Nazi plan to exterminate the Jews
    #2 – the gas chambers are pure phantasmagoria and there is not a shred of physical evidence for them
    #3 – the number of Jews that died in camps for being Jews is 0, and it is well known (google Konrad Morgen) that the Nazis aggressively investigated and prosecuted crime in the camps.

    So begins the video that points out the endless lies that make up the hoax, the ‘big lie’ being the photos of tyhpus victims photographed after the war at Belsen and shown as victims of Nazi gas chambers for the last 70 years. The vid documents the true provenance of the photos.

    See also holohoax101.org

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  85. escobar says:

    How about you all reading this article by historian Timothy Snyder:

    http://www.nybooks.com/articles/2009/07/16/holocaust-the-ignored-reality/

    And the figure of Jewish civilians killed, among millions of others, historians like Snyder agree, is about 5.1 to 5.2 million, not the 6 million one given right after WWII and before German and other historians did their research.

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    No sources, just a Zionist talking. Which generally means lying.

    www.codoh.com
    , @Anonymous
    Thank you for that link. It is important occasionally to fortify oneself against the perverted addleheaded crap that the vermin endlessly spit out.
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  86. bjondo says:
    @Robert A.
    I had a patient in a hospital in Northern California a number of years ago. She was a German woman, a "war bride". She told me she was from a very high aristocratic German family. Her grandfather had been the Kaiser's war secretary. All the male relatives were die-hard fervent devotees of Hitler. The women all hated him. I suggested to her that maybe the holocaust and WW2 were really not just Hitler's plan but a collective plan of many Germans. She then told me firmly that the whole affair over there was all Hitler's doing. She was right there in the middle of it all. Documents and scholars can be extremely deceptive. But she was an eye-witness in the middle of it. This is what she told me she saw. She told me this lying on a hospital bed late one night.
    She said her family lived on the western side of Germany and was at home with the other female family members when an American jeep drove up towards the house. All the male family members were away. She was just a young woman and the other women there pushed her out the front door towards the GI's. She half expected to be raped. But the soldiers instead gave her Vogue magazines, nylon stockings and I think chocolate too. She ended up marrying one of them. She told me that the wealthy women on the east side of Germany all carried cyanide pills in case of rape, but the American soldiers had a little better reputation. This conversation took place about 20 years ago.

    Did the other women push her towards the GI’s hoping to save themselves?

    Did the other women rush out to get there fair share of goodies?

    Have you approached the Pentagon or Spielberg to back a script?

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  87. j2 says:
    @Mulegino1
    Of course you will never forget- how could you? This "Mother of all big lies" is the most lucrative extortion racket in history and it still goes on, and it will soon be claimed that the trauma suffered by the survivors has been passed epigenetically to their descendants, so that the shekels can continue to flow forever.

    This anti-European and anti-Christian blood libel has served as the justification of the brutal expropriation of Palestine, the Manichean narrative of the "Good War" against the "Evil Nazis", NATO hegemony over the EU and the guilt shaming of virtually all Christians in Europe or of European descent.

    Once the alleged event is defined in factual terms, it is falsifiable. The core of the false narrative is this:

    During the period of 1939-1945, National Socialist Germany- acting upon orders from Hitler (which were never given ) murdered some 6 million Jews, most of them with poison gas at 6 distinct locations in General Governmant Poland, Upper Silesia and Wartheland: Auschwitz-Birkenau, Majdanek-Lublin, Chelmno, Belzec, Sobibor, and Treblinka II.

    Due to the complete lack of physical or authentic evidence for any "industrial scale mass murder" at any of the camps, the entire narrative depends upon the testimony of eyewitnesses, most of whose claims are impossible fantasies, and many of which were coerced by torture, such as those of Rudolf Hoess, the former commandant of Auschwitz-Birkenau who was tortured for nearly a week by a team of British commandos under the command of one Bernard Clarke. The entire Nuremberg fable of mass gassings at Auschwitz-Birkenau rests almost entirely upon absurd claims of Hoess, most of which are not even given credence to anymore , since there is no corroborating physical evidence for them and they are logistically and technically impossible. (2000 people inside an unheated morgue cannot be killed by dropping pellets of a commercially available pesticide down a makeshift hole onto an unheated concrete floor; a body cannot be cremated in 10 or 15 minutes, men cannot walk around a chamber filled with poison gas eating and smoking, etc.)

    The so called "gas chamber" at Auschwitz main camp is a postwar construction or mock up of a morgue (mere yards away from the hospital) which was later converted to a bomb shelter.

    The so called "gas chambers" at Birkenau were designed and used as underground morgues. No mass gassings ever occurred in these areas, as forensic analysis of the brickwork shows. While the delousing chambers, which employed Zyklon-B and state of the art technology to disinfect clothing and bedding, still to this day show abundant traces of blue staining -Prussian Blue- which is caused by the active ingredient in Zyklon-B- hydrocyanic acid bonding with the iron in the masonry- up to 13,000 ppm in some cases- the remaining brickwork of the morgues or alleged "homicidal gas chambers" show no traces of iron cyanide compounds. None.

    Besides, the claims of mass gassings of 2000 people at a time are a logistical impossibility from any standpoint. It would take days and weeks to clear the chamber, remove the bodies and cremate them, even provided that the 52 cremation retorts were all in use and no time was given for cooling and maintenance, which means they would have been destroyed within a very short period and thus need replacing- something which never occurred, according to the camp records.

    There is virtually no physical evidence that anything like hundreds of thousands of Jews were murdered by the Germans, let alone over 4,000,000.

    Yes, you are right, but Jews, who were taken to the Soviet Union mostly did not appear later. It is impossible to know exactly (or even roughly) what happened to them, there was the war, there were camps on both sides. But we do know that most deaths of Jews did not happen in the Western Europe or West Poland (that is, the area about west of the present Polish east boundary), but in the East (the Soviet Union of 1941 after taking Baltic states and East Poland). The Jewish dead in the West and Western Poland were about 1 million according to the accepted figures given for ghettos and work camps, war and all other things (for German camps alone 0.76M in my calculation), the rest is in the East. We do not know what exactly happened in the East. Germans shot some number (maybe 500,000?), many died in German camps, many evacuated died in Soviet camps, there was the war. In some way an additional 2 million+ (probably) died in the East bringing the death toll to 3-3.5 million (unless you have better information). It is known more or less how many survived, but it was a major war, and there is no hard evidence for a planned genocide.

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    Jews evacuated to USSR during war
    https://archive.is/jA9iI
    and:
    more Jews evacuated to USSR during war
    https://www.jta.org/1944/02/23/archive/german-lauds-russia-for-joining-intergovernmental-committee-for-refugees

    The Deportation of Hungarian Jews from May to July 1944
    by Carlo Mattogno
    https://codoh.com/library/document/357/?lang=en
    most of them were transferred OUT of Auschwitz, none were gassed, ever

    Chemistry of Auschwitz / Birkenau
    https://youtu.be/SUc6Y_E5zb0

    www.codoh.com
    , @Beefcake the Mighty
    This is a reasonable comment, and your numbers are not out of line with the only real demographic study of the issue I’m aware of (Sanning); this is a very challenging problem requiring all kinds of assumptions.

    Needless to say, that many Jews died from various German actions (mass shootings in the course of anti-partisan activity or deportations) in no way supports the claims of an extermination program, nor does it make credible the absurd eyewitness accounts of places like Treblinka.
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  88. Erebus says:
    @sarz
    It's disappointing to see that Ron Unz is apparently a believer in the systematic industrial murder of millions of Jews by the National Socialists using gas chambers.

    It would be good if Ron could get someone to present an authoritative account giving the evidence in support of such belief.

    Someone nominated by the people at codoh.com could be asked to respond.

    The psedonymous maker of Holocaust questioning documentaries, Denierbud, whose work is available at codoh, had long offered to debate any tenured academic historian on the topic. Maybe the offer still stands.

    It would be good if Ron could get someone to present an authoritative account giving the evidence in support of such belief.

    I doubt he’ll find someone more authoritative than Raul Hilberg (The Destruction of the European Jews), who took a shot at it at Zundel’s 1st trial in Toronto. After that, I don’t think anyone will try it again. He was destroyed under cross-examination, and declined to participate in Zundel’s 2nd trial.

    It should be noted that by the time of the trial, after >3 decades of research into the Holocaust, Hilberg had already concluded that the there was no evidence and that the Nazis must have pulled it off using ESP. In the Forward to the final, “definitive” edition of his 3 Vol. magnum opus he states that…

    In the final analysis, the destruction of the Jews was not so much a product of laws and commands as it was a matter of spirit, of shared comprehension, of consonance and synchronization [DEJ, p. 55].

    It must have been so, as no authoritative person has gainsaid his explanation since, and I’d wager no one ever will. The bottom line is that the revisionists are wasting their time. They have nothing to refute as no evidence has ever been presented.

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    Indeed, no proof has been produced.
    It's mostly about who controls the microphone: the media and corrupted 'academia'. So who is that?

    we’ve often fantasized about drawing up an indictment against Adolf Hitler himself. And to put into that indictment the major charge: the Final Solution of the Jewish question in Europe, the physical annihilation of Jewry. And then it dawned upon us, what would we do? We didn’t have the evidence.”
    - so called "holocaust historian", Raul Hilberg
     
    Below is where free speech on the impossible 'holocaust' storyline is illegal, violators go to prison for Thought Crimes.
    An obvious admission that the storyline doesn't stand up to scientific, logical, & rational scrutiny.
    http://theday.co.uk/images/stories/2016/2016-12/2016-12-15_holocaust.png
    www.codoh.com
    , @jilles dykstra
    Hillberg, 'already' on page 300 or so one reads that Auschwitz was a big industrial centre
    Raul Hilberg, ‘The destruction of the European Jews’, student edition, Teaneck, 1985
    I invite anyone to read it, I'd say no better holocaust debunking than this book.
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  89. MrB says:
    @Johnny Smoggins
    One can not acknowledge the Jewish holocaust without acknowledging the Palestinian holocaust at the same time.

    They know that even starting a genuine endeavour for the proof and truth would cause instant failure because that particular third rail is very dangerous with the current being controlled by you know who.

    Any investigation into holocaust ‘fact’ suggests to those who control things that the investigator is doubting the hitherto established truth.

    No holocaust excavations and truth seeking can ever be allowed to happen because the truth will out and that would kill the whole jewish thing stone dead.

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  90. MrB says:
    @Johnny Smoggins
    One can not acknowledge the Jewish holocaust without acknowledging the Palestinian holocaust at the same time.

    Really? I don’t understand that logic.

    The Palestinian holocaust is in full view of the world and cannot be doubted. The other one well er…

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    90 MrB > The Palestinian holocaust is in full view of the world and cannot be doubted


    there are scores of UN bureaucrats making good salaries in Gaza, assisting the Palestinians to breed like rabbits.

    That's no holocaust.

    The Rohingya would cut your head off to get as well taken care of as the people in Gaza are.

    PS: Gaza belongs to the Copts. It will someday be returned to them.
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  91. The bigger question is what do you do with an outgroup that is hostile, has a double set of morals, uses political and financial power to destroy and replace the culture and institutions of the majority, while supporting their physical replacement and pitting every new and imported victim group against the majority. That’s pretty much Jewish group politics in a nutshell, when they aren’t being traitors for Israel. Should there be no reaction or backlash?

    I don’t believe the official holocaust story. But, if half of what Jews are accused of doing during the Weimar era and during the holodomor is true, then it only makes sense that all steps were taken to destroy Jewish power, and the Jewish community which likely supported and benefited from Jewish power. War is ugly, and it doesn’t always involve soldiers or take place on a battlefield.

    I personally don’t care one bit about what may or may not have happened to European Jews 80 years ago. I care about Jewish power in the U.S. today, and how it is hostile and destructive towards the majority. The question is the same now as 80 years ago.

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    If I were a Jew, especially in the US, I might be thinking seriously of collective self-defence when I read something like that from one of the other 97 per cent of Americans.
    , @Momus
    Apart from crying, what are you going to do about it?
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  92. bjondo says:
    @Colin Wright
    '...But what if it did not happen ?'

    It happened. In 1939, there were 9.5 million Jews in Europe; in 1945 there were 3.8 million. 5.7 million Jews vanished. Where did they go?

    There are lots of interesting arguments and discussions to have about World War Two, Nazism, Hitler, etc, etc. However, whether or not the Holocaust in fact happened is not one of them. You might as well question the existence of Australia.

    And
    you could question yourself:

    http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=85432

    according to the World Almanac the world population of Jews increased (!) between 1933 and 1948 from 15,315,000 to 15,753,000.

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  93. @Colin Wright
    '...But what if it did not happen ?'

    It happened. In 1939, there were 9.5 million Jews in Europe; in 1945 there were 3.8 million. 5.7 million Jews vanished. Where did they go?

    There are lots of interesting arguments and discussions to have about World War Two, Nazism, Hitler, etc, etc. However, whether or not the Holocaust in fact happened is not one of them. You might as well question the existence of Australia.

    ANONYMOUS, ‘The Myth of Six Million’, Los Angelos, 1973, 1969

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  94. bjondo says:
    @utu
    Eric Zuesse hates Christianity and Catholic Church in particular, so he decided to implicate it in Holocaust claiming that Hitler's true motives behind planning and executing the Holocaust was Christianity. Just another Christianity hating kook.

    Did someone say Zuesse is Jew? Think he is.

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    Did someone say Zuesse is Jew?
     
    You do not have to be a Jew to make Hitler or Christianity the object of your hate and obsession. His idée fixe is not very original. Many feeble minds and weak characters succumbed to it. Certainly the guy suffers from the delusion of grandeur. He aims high. In one self-published book he wants to finish off Jesus and in the second he finishes off Hitler on account that Hitler believed in that fake Jesus or something and that made him plan Holocaust so cleverly that nobody noticed that he did. Fortunately Zuesse came and discovered it all for everybody.
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  95. @anonymous
    jilles dykstra

    I have an excellent color PDF file of questions and answers about the alleged Jewish Holocaust - the hard copy is in the form of a glossy color magazine.

    If you are interested e-mail me at:

    [email protected]

    Take care

    JR

    Thanks.
    But for a discussion elsewhere I once made a list of my books on the jewish persections, 39.
    The problem with the holocaust is the same as with the Armenian genocide, both have become such a part of identities that rational arguments have no effect.
    On top of that, discusision of the jewish persecutions, denied by nobody, as Armenian casualties are not denied by anybody, distracts from the, in my opinion, prime issue: why was there a WW II with at least 60 million deaths, among these 10 million Germans, and how does WWII allied propagada affect present day policies to this day ?
    Did Merkel welcome mass immigration to change the German people ?

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  96. Wally says:
    @Colin Wright
    '...But what if it did not happen ?'

    It happened. In 1939, there were 9.5 million Jews in Europe; in 1945 there were 3.8 million. 5.7 million Jews vanished. Where did they go?

    There are lots of interesting arguments and discussions to have about World War Two, Nazism, Hitler, etc, etc. However, whether or not the Holocaust in fact happened is not one of them. You might as well question the existence of Australia.

    said:
    “It happened. In 1939, there were 9.5 million Jews in Europe; in 1945 there were 3.8 million. 5.7 million Jews vanished. Where did they go? There are lots of interesting arguments and discussions to have about World War Two, Nazism, Hitler, etc, etc. However, whether or not the Holocaust in fact happened is not one of them. You might as well question the existence of Australia.”

    - So is that why you cannot refute the arguments made against the impossible absurdities? Why do you dodge?

    - What’s the source of those numbers? The usual Zionist liars?

    - If Jews are so sure that millions of Jews were murdered, then why do they ask Revisionists such dumb questions like “so then, what happened to them?” Jews went where Jews are. But Jews tell us that murdered Jews WENT to huge mass graves and that to this day they know the locations of these alleged mass graves. So why don’t they excavate the alleged enormous ‘mass graves’, show the world the millions of Jew corpses, and prove their point?

    - The mere fact that there are endless “survivors” when it’s claimed that ‘the Germans tried to kill every Jew they could get their hands on’ blows away the impossible ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’.

    - Tell us how the ridiculously alleged ‘gas chambers’ were supposed to have worked.

    - No doubt the past worldwide belief in witchcraft also proved the existence of Australia.

    http://www.codoh.com

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    Colin Wright writes:
    “It happened. In 1939, there were 9.5 million Jews in Europe; in 1945 there were 3.8 million. 5.7 million Jews vanished. Where did they go? There are lots of interesting arguments and discussions to have about World War Two, Nazism, Hitler, etc, etc. However, whether or not the Holocaust in fact happened is not one of them. You might as well question the existence of Australia.”

    Ok, I looked at thisa long time ago. First you have to subtract the German and Austrian Jews who escaped Germany and Austria. It does not matter if they escaped to South America, as is usually stated, or if they went to France, Netherlands and Belgium, because it is known that Nazis captured from Western Europe about 1.82 million Jews and the rest stayed. You have Jews, who could have died in Western Poland 1.82+1.5 million +0.06. This is, there were c. 3.25M Jews in Poland, 1.8m in the West and the rest in the East, but in 1941 some escaped to the East. This 0.06M is the new transports from East to West in Poland. Then you calculate how many were in the Western Poland, subtract those that you know and end up to the upper bound 400,000 Jews could have died in Auschwitz, but this is only an upper bound. The upper bound ignores 100,000 Polish Jews, who came after 1946 to DP camps, maybe 200,000 who died in death marches, and 3.25M Jews in Poland in 1939 is only an estimate, it could be 3M, or even less. Many moved to France. They had a real problem of Polish Jews.

    You say 9,5M Jews in 1939. Subtract the emigrated German and Austrian Jews, it goes to 8.9M. You say 3,8M in 1945. Add the Jews who came to the DP camps after 1946, you will see that the number of missing Jews is 4.5M. Then question the figure the Soviet Union gave for 1939 and check the US Jewish population growth from 1900 to 1950. You see that 1 million additional Jews moved to the USA before 1939 that are not in the immigration figures. So, the figure from the SU for 1939 was 1M too high (it was announced as 2.8M for the SU in 1941 before taking Eastern Poland, must have been 1.8M).

    Hope this helps, I did calculate these things for a long time and carefully. I have all my calculations on my web site, if you care to see.

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  97. MrB says:
    @Colin Wright
    '...But what if it did not happen ?'

    It happened. In 1939, there were 9.5 million Jews in Europe; in 1945 there were 3.8 million. 5.7 million Jews vanished. Where did they go?

    There are lots of interesting arguments and discussions to have about World War Two, Nazism, Hitler, etc, etc. However, whether or not the Holocaust in fact happened is not one of them. You might as well question the existence of Australia.

    Really, you believe figures of jews having been counted pre war as correct and in 1945 counting jews again in a war ravaged continent split in two by the Russian block and when being jewish was best kept as a secret?

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  98. Wally says:
    @Erebus

    It would be good if Ron could get someone to present an authoritative account giving the evidence in support of such belief.
     
    I doubt he'll find someone more authoritative than Raul Hilberg (The Destruction of the European Jews), who took a shot at it at Zundel's 1st trial in Toronto. After that, I don't think anyone will try it again. He was destroyed under cross-examination, and declined to participate in Zundel's 2nd trial.

    It should be noted that by the time of the trial, after >3 decades of research into the Holocaust, Hilberg had already concluded that the there was no evidence and that the Nazis must have pulled it off using ESP. In the Forward to the final, "definitive" edition of his 3 Vol. magnum opus he states that...

    In the final analysis, the destruction of the Jews was not so much a product of laws and commands as it was a matter of spirit, of shared comprehension, of consonance and synchronization [DEJ, p. 55].
     
    It must have been so, as no authoritative person has gainsaid his explanation since, and I'd wager no one ever will. The bottom line is that the revisionists are wasting their time. They have nothing to refute as no evidence has ever been presented.

    Indeed, no proof has been produced.
    It’s mostly about who controls the microphone: the media and corrupted ‘academia’. So who is that?

    we’ve often fantasized about drawing up an indictment against Adolf Hitler himself. And to put into that indictment the major charge: the Final Solution of the Jewish question in Europe, the physical annihilation of Jewry. And then it dawned upon us, what would we do? We didn’t have the evidence.”
    - so called “holocaust historian”, Raul Hilberg

    Below is where free speech on the impossible ‘holocaust’ storyline is illegal, violators go to prison for Thought Crimes.
    An obvious admission that the storyline doesn’t stand up to scientific, logical, & rational scrutiny.

    http://www.codoh.com

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  99. Wally says:
    @j2
    Yes, you are right, but Jews, who were taken to the Soviet Union mostly did not appear later. It is impossible to know exactly (or even roughly) what happened to them, there was the war, there were camps on both sides. But we do know that most deaths of Jews did not happen in the Western Europe or West Poland (that is, the area about west of the present Polish east boundary), but in the East (the Soviet Union of 1941 after taking Baltic states and East Poland). The Jewish dead in the West and Western Poland were about 1 million according to the accepted figures given for ghettos and work camps, war and all other things (for German camps alone 0.76M in my calculation), the rest is in the East. We do not know what exactly happened in the East. Germans shot some number (maybe 500,000?), many died in German camps, many evacuated died in Soviet camps, there was the war. In some way an additional 2 million+ (probably) died in the East bringing the death toll to 3-3.5 million (unless you have better information). It is known more or less how many survived, but it was a major war, and there is no hard evidence for a planned genocide.

    Jews evacuated to USSR during war

    https://archive.is/jA9iI

    and:
    more Jews evacuated to USSR during war

    https://www.jta.org/1944/02/23/archive/german-lauds-russia-for-joining-intergovernmental-committee-for-refugees

    The Deportation of Hungarian Jews from May to July 1944
    by Carlo Mattogno

    https://codoh.com/library/document/357/?lang=en

    most of them were transferred OUT of Auschwitz, none were gassed, ever

    Chemistry of Auschwitz / Birkenau

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  100. annamaria says:
    @jilles dykstra
    From quite a few books one can learn that FDR, Churchill and Stalin did anything they could to prevent the idea that WWII was a jewish war.
    The jewish declaration of war on the Hitler regime of 1933 is seldom mentioned, yet USA newspapers had big headlines 'Judea declares war on Germany'.
    In the Netherlands in WWII the underground press reported about death camps, those living at the time did not believe it, a relative told me.
    Another relative was convinced that those deported faced death, do not know why.
    Faurisson read, if I remember correctly, 15.000 pages of WWII memoirs by FDR, Churchill, De Gaulle, etc.
    No mention of genocide on jews.
    Decoded Enigma messages made clear that far more entered the camps than left.
    Yet, at the end of 1944 Ben Gurion did not want the Auschwitz camps bombed 'jews might be killed'.
    The possibility that the majority of the deaths was causes by the camp management of inmates of course cannot be true.
    Yet even Elie Wiesel describes it.
    He never saw a gas chamber, just assumed that they existed.
    If now Israel succeeds in causing a world war, the last, nobody will survive, in the effort to get regime change in Teheran, who will see this last world war as a jewish war ?
    I will.

    “The possibility that the majority of the deaths was causes by the camp management of inmates of course cannot be true.
    Yet even Elie Wiesel describes it.
    He never saw a gas chamber, just assumed that they existed.
    If now Israel succeeds in causing a world war, the last, nobody will survive, in the effort to get regime change in Teheran, who will see this last world war as a jewish war ?”
    — The zionist purists hate when the documented facts of zionists collaboration with Nazis (whether in the past or currently in Ukraine) are coming to light. Nothing undermines the holocaust biz more than the dead silence of 52 main American Jewish organizations with regard to the current Nazi revival in Ukraine and the refusal of the same 52 main American Jewish organizations to condemn the US support (political and military) to the Banderites.
    When the oh-so-righteous Zeuss writes, “for Hitler, the Holocaust — the “final solution” — was not a military device, it was a military goal; in fact, it was the central military goal, which took precedence over even the expansion of Lebensraum,” he reminds of Israel’s fervent desire for “final solution” on the Israel-occupied territories. The illegal Israeli settlements are the Israeli version of “expansion of Lebensraum.” The zionists’ military goal of destroying Iran (on the US dime and limb) is another aspect of “expansion of Lebensraum.”
    The zionists involvement in designing and pushing for the ongoing slaughter in the Middle East has been well documented: http://historycommons.org/searchResults.jsp?searchtext=neoconservative+Israel&events=on&entities=on&articles=on&topics=on&timelines=on&projects=on&titles=on&descriptions=on&dosearch=on&search=Go
    It is hard to react to the “Hitler” word after the major criminals like Clinton and Blair have been using the word liberally to promote their anti-human policies.

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  101. Wally says:
    @escobar
    How about you all reading this article by historian Timothy Snyder:

    www.nybooks.com/articles/2009/07/16/holocaust-the-ignored-reality/

    And the figure of Jewish civilians killed, among millions of others, historians like Snyder agree, is about 5.1 to 5.2 million, not the 6 million one given right after WWII and before German and other historians did their research.

    No sources, just a Zionist talking. Which generally means lying.

    http://www.codoh.com

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    That's just lazy, Wally. Nowhere close to your best effort. What's wrong?

    You are going to be dead soon and you still haven't convinced a single person. Better get crackin'
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  102. @Colin Wright
    '...Hitler certainly didn’t want Schacht to know what his plans for the Jews actually were. Hitler just wanted some rich Jews to buy their ways out, since he tried to postpone for as long as possible anyone’s knowledge of what his intended “Final Solution to the Jewish problem” actually was...'

    If Hitler didn't actually want the Jews to leave Germany, he was spectacularly ineffectual. Something like half of Germany's Jews did succeed in leaving before the war. Ironically, Germany's Jews would up with one of the higher rates of national survival among the various Jewish populations of Europe because of this. They were warned in good time, and got out.

    There probably is an effective counter-argument to Irving's thesis out there. However, this ain't it. The author presents us with a porridge of irrelevancies, inaccuracies, and even evidence that undermines his own thesis and supports Irving's.

    “Ironically, Germany’s Jews would up with one of the higher rates of national survival among the various Jewish populations of Europe because of this.”

    Must be alleged survival rates. The different death counts are certainly grossly exaggerated for propaganda purposes.

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  103. Wally says:
    @Colin Wright
    '...But what if it did not happen ?'

    It happened. In 1939, there were 9.5 million Jews in Europe; in 1945 there were 3.8 million. 5.7 million Jews vanished. Where did they go?

    There are lots of interesting arguments and discussions to have about World War Two, Nazism, Hitler, etc, etc. However, whether or not the Holocaust in fact happened is not one of them. You might as well question the existence of Australia.

    The alleged number of Jews is complete nonsense. There are many, many more then they let on. Here’s proof:

    Most Jews are not ‘religious’ so they do not say they are Jews in census questions about religion. They consider themselves Jews nonetheless. They want you to think they are so few & helpless victims when in fact they create massive resentment towards themselves by their owns actions.

    According to Jewish law Jews are to avoid being counted.

    “To actually count Jews directly is forbidden (Talmud, Yoma 22b), as the prophet says: “And the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which shall neither be measured nor counted.”

    http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/896203/jewish/Laws-of-Counting-Jews.htm

    and:

    ‘Why is it forbidden to count Jews?’

    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/18472

    “This opening verse of our Biblical portion teaches that it is forbidden to take a number count of the Israelites, a census activity which Jewish organizations are constantly involved in doing. This prohibition is reinforced by the prophet Hosea (chapter 2), when he declares: “The number of the children of Israel shall be as the sands of the sea, which cannot be numbered and cannot be counted…” And historically even King David learned the bitter lesson of the power of this command, when- against the will of his Chief Commander Joab – he ordered a census, and the Israelites suffered a plague (II Samuel, 24). “

    and:

    “We reached the [Balfour] Declaration not by miracles, but through persistent propaganda, through unceasing demonstration of the life force of our people. We told the responsible authorities: We will establish ourselves in Palestine whether you like it or not. You can hasten our arrival or you can equally retard it. It is however better for you to help us so as to avoid our constructive powers being turned into a destructive power which will overthrow the world.”
    - World Zionist leader [1st President of Israël] Chaim Weizmann, speech in Jerusalem, December 1919.

    http://www.codoh.com

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    “This prohibition is reinforced by the prophet Hosea (chapter 2), when he declares: “The number of the children of Israel shall be as the sands of the sea, which cannot be numbered and cannot be counted…”

    “I have seen all the (Jewish?) works that are done under the sun; and, behold, all is vanity and a striving after wind. That which is crooked cannot be made straight, and that which is wanting cannot be numbered....” Book of Ecclesiastes
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  104. j2 says:
    @Wally
    said:
    "It happened. In 1939, there were 9.5 million Jews in Europe; in 1945 there were 3.8 million. 5.7 million Jews vanished. Where did they go? There are lots of interesting arguments and discussions to have about World War Two, Nazism, Hitler, etc, etc. However, whether or not the Holocaust in fact happened is not one of them. You might as well question the existence of Australia."

    - So is that why you cannot refute the arguments made against the impossible absurdities? Why do you dodge?


    - What's the source of those numbers? The usual Zionist liars?

    - If Jews are so sure that millions of Jews were murdered, then why do they ask Revisionists such dumb questions like "so then, what happened to them?" Jews went where Jews are. But Jews tell us that murdered Jews WENT to huge mass graves and that to this day they know the locations of these alleged mass graves. So why don't they excavate the alleged enormous 'mass graves', show the world the millions of Jew corpses, and prove their point?

    - The mere fact that there are endless "survivors" when it's claimed that 'the Germans tried to kill every Jew they could get their hands on' blows away the impossible '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers'.

    - Tell us how the ridiculously alleged 'gas chambers' were supposed to have worked.

    - No doubt the past worldwide belief in witchcraft also proved the existence of Australia.

    www.codoh.com

    Colin Wright writes:
    “It happened. In 1939, there were 9.5 million Jews in Europe; in 1945 there were 3.8 million. 5.7 million Jews vanished. Where did they go? There are lots of interesting arguments and discussions to have about World War Two, Nazism, Hitler, etc, etc. However, whether or not the Holocaust in fact happened is not one of them. You might as well question the existence of Australia.”

    Ok, I looked at thisa long time ago. First you have to subtract the German and Austrian Jews who escaped Germany and Austria. It does not matter if they escaped to South America, as is usually stated, or if they went to France, Netherlands and Belgium, because it is known that Nazis captured from Western Europe about 1.82 million Jews and the rest stayed. You have Jews, who could have died in Western Poland 1.82+1.5 million +0.06. This is, there were c. 3.25M Jews in Poland, 1.8m in the West and the rest in the East, but in 1941 some escaped to the East. This 0.06M is the new transports from East to West in Poland. Then you calculate how many were in the Western Poland, subtract those that you know and end up to the upper bound 400,000 Jews could have died in Auschwitz, but this is only an upper bound. The upper bound ignores 100,000 Polish Jews, who came after 1946 to DP camps, maybe 200,000 who died in death marches, and 3.25M Jews in Poland in 1939 is only an estimate, it could be 3M, or even less. Many moved to France. They had a real problem of Polish Jews.

    You say 9,5M Jews in 1939. Subtract the emigrated German and Austrian Jews, it goes to 8.9M. You say 3,8M in 1945. Add the Jews who came to the DP camps after 1946, you will see that the number of missing Jews is 4.5M. Then question the figure the Soviet Union gave for 1939 and check the US Jewish population growth from 1900 to 1950. You see that 1 million additional Jews moved to the USA before 1939 that are not in the immigration figures. So, the figure from the SU for 1939 was 1M too high (it was announced as 2.8M for the SU in 1941 before taking Eastern Poland, must have been 1.8M).

    Hope this helps, I did calculate these things for a long time and carefully. I have all my calculations on my web site, if you care to see.

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    What the hell are you talking about?

    Where are your sources?

    What "death marches"?

    LOL

    www.codoh.com
    , @j2
    "because it is known that Nazis captured from Western Europe about 1.82 million Jews and the rest stayed." Sorry again, the figure is not 1.82M, it is 1.2M. So, 1.2M+1.8M+0.06M=3.06M is the number of Jews that might have been transported to Auschwitz. Subtract who dies elsewhere or did not die gives the upper bound for Auschwitz deaths.
    , @Beefcake the Mighty
    Can you please post a link to your website?
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  105. @Bukowski
    Something is wrong with academia and the media when a proven fraud like Elie Wiesel is still held up as some kind of shining example to others - https://codoh.com/library/document/858/
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  106. bj says:
    @Robert A.
    I had a patient in a hospital in Northern California a number of years ago. She was a German woman, a "war bride". She told me she was from a very high aristocratic German family. Her grandfather had been the Kaiser's war secretary. All the male relatives were die-hard fervent devotees of Hitler. The women all hated him. I suggested to her that maybe the holocaust and WW2 were really not just Hitler's plan but a collective plan of many Germans. She then told me firmly that the whole affair over there was all Hitler's doing. She was right there in the middle of it all. Documents and scholars can be extremely deceptive. But she was an eye-witness in the middle of it. This is what she told me she saw. She told me this lying on a hospital bed late one night.
    She said her family lived on the western side of Germany and was at home with the other female family members when an American jeep drove up towards the house. All the male family members were away. She was just a young woman and the other women there pushed her out the front door towards the GI's. She half expected to be raped. But the soldiers instead gave her Vogue magazines, nylon stockings and I think chocolate too. She ended up marrying one of them. She told me that the wealthy women on the east side of Germany all carried cyanide pills in case of rape, but the American soldiers had a little better reputation. This conversation took place about 20 years ago.

    Eye witness testimony is often rewriting one’s personal narrative to conform to the orthodoxy of the victors or the opportunists. Millions of years of evolution cast women in the conforming role, easily changing sides to survive. It is in the interest of Life’s continuing experiment on planet earth!

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  107. Wally says:
    @j2
    Colin Wright writes:
    “It happened. In 1939, there were 9.5 million Jews in Europe; in 1945 there were 3.8 million. 5.7 million Jews vanished. Where did they go? There are lots of interesting arguments and discussions to have about World War Two, Nazism, Hitler, etc, etc. However, whether or not the Holocaust in fact happened is not one of them. You might as well question the existence of Australia.”

    Ok, I looked at thisa long time ago. First you have to subtract the German and Austrian Jews who escaped Germany and Austria. It does not matter if they escaped to South America, as is usually stated, or if they went to France, Netherlands and Belgium, because it is known that Nazis captured from Western Europe about 1.82 million Jews and the rest stayed. You have Jews, who could have died in Western Poland 1.82+1.5 million +0.06. This is, there were c. 3.25M Jews in Poland, 1.8m in the West and the rest in the East, but in 1941 some escaped to the East. This 0.06M is the new transports from East to West in Poland. Then you calculate how many were in the Western Poland, subtract those that you know and end up to the upper bound 400,000 Jews could have died in Auschwitz, but this is only an upper bound. The upper bound ignores 100,000 Polish Jews, who came after 1946 to DP camps, maybe 200,000 who died in death marches, and 3.25M Jews in Poland in 1939 is only an estimate, it could be 3M, or even less. Many moved to France. They had a real problem of Polish Jews.

    You say 9,5M Jews in 1939. Subtract the emigrated German and Austrian Jews, it goes to 8.9M. You say 3,8M in 1945. Add the Jews who came to the DP camps after 1946, you will see that the number of missing Jews is 4.5M. Then question the figure the Soviet Union gave for 1939 and check the US Jewish population growth from 1900 to 1950. You see that 1 million additional Jews moved to the USA before 1939 that are not in the immigration figures. So, the figure from the SU for 1939 was 1M too high (it was announced as 2.8M for the SU in 1941 before taking Eastern Poland, must have been 1.8M).

    Hope this helps, I did calculate these things for a long time and carefully. I have all my calculations on my web site, if you care to see.

    What the hell are you talking about?

    Where are your sources?

    What “death marches”?

    LOL

    http://www.codoh.com

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    Sorry Wally, it is not for you, see whom I wrote it to from the beginning quote. Pressed incorrect key.
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  108. renfro says:

    ”regarding Mr. Irving, lots of (as Kennett has put it), “the things he had left out,” and that I think invalidate Irving’s works, because the motivation behind those omissions is clear and is not considered acceptable by most historians. ”
    ”David S. Wyman’s 1984 The Abandonment of the Jews documents (pp. 100, 365, 410) the repeated refusal of President Franklin D. Roosevelt to meet with Jewish leaders to deal with the problem, and also establishes the President’s own personal knowledge of the Nazis’ anti-Semitic exterminations.

    Lets talk about what the Jew leave out or better put what they lie about :

    Saving the Jews: Rossevelt and the Holocaust

    http://www.savingthejews.com/html/carterlibraryspeech.htm

    Carter Center Library Speech
    Robert Rosen – July 17, 2006

    ”This book was inspired by a visit to the Boston Holocaust Memorial near Quincy Market. My daughter, Ali, then a student at Phillips Academy, and I visited that Holocaust Memorial, and we read these words: “By late 1942, the United States and its Allies were aware of the death camps, but did nothing to destroy them.”

    I told Ali that this statement could not possibly be true. The United States was not even a belligerent in World War II until December 7, 1941 when the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor. How could we have saved the Jews of Europe in 1942?

    # “The Holocaust Museum takes one of Kubowitzki’s numerous letters to John McCloy, assistant Secretary of War and enlarged it to make it appear that he was requesting the bombing of Auschwitz. Not True. This letter, the centerpiece of the Museum’s display on the bombing of Auschwitz, merely passed on a message from the Czechoslovakian government in exile and McCloy was well aware that Kubowitzki and the World Jewish Congress adamantly opposed the bombing of Auschwitz. (View First Letter View Second Letter) (I have written the Holocaust Museum about this blatant error, but have yet to hear back from their Chief Historian.)”

    #” Contrary to popular belief, and in the face of strict immigration quotas, both the leadership of the American Jewish community and the Roosevelt Administration were actively involved in trying to save as many Jews as they reasonably could prior to the outbreak of World War II in September 1939 and the fall of France in June, 1940. 25% of all German Jews had fled from Germany between 1933 and 1937. In September 1939 the German Jewish population was 185,000 meaning 340,000 German Jews (65%) had fled prior to World War II. Of the 185,000 Jews in Austria in 1938, 126,000 had emigrated by 1940. (441) Between 1933 and 1942, 161,000 Jews came to the U.S. Between 1938-1940 half of all immigrants to the U.S. were Jews. [ I repeat, half of all immigrants…] The United States accepted about twice as many refugees as the rest of the world combined, 200,000 of 300,000.

    Also included in this are the facts on the St. Louis.

    #”The critics say that Roosevelt refused to let Jewish refugees come to America. The voyage of the S.S. St. Louis, the “Voyage of the Damned,” is the chief incident trumpeted against him. Let the facts speak for themselves. The St. Louis sailed from Hamburg in May of 1939 before either World War II or The Final Solution had begun. It arrived in Cuba. The Jewish passengers had purchased visas which were illegal under Cuban law and the Cuban president would not honor them. The State Department and the American Jewish Joint Distribution Committee-known as the “Joint”- worked day and night to convince the Cubans to take in the passengers. The Joint sent a lawyer to Havana with a suitcase full of money to bribe the Cuban government. Henry Morganthau Jr., Roosevelt’s Jewish Secretary of the Treasury, the person in charge of the Coast Guard, was personally involved. Sadly, all of their efforts failed. 29 of the 936 passengers got off in Cuba. Even though the Roosevelt Administration urged the Cuban government to allow the remaining 907 passengers to land, the S.S. St. Louis began its return to Europe. With the active intervention of the State Department and the “Joint”, the St. Louis went to England (not Germany), where 288 of the 907 passengers disembarked and survived the Holocaust. The remaining 619 disembarked at Antwerp and went to France, Belgium, and Holland. The leading authorities on the St. Louis estimate that 392 of the 619 who disembarked at Antwerp survived the war. Thus more than 2/3 of the passengers on the St. Louis survived the Holocaust.

    The US made a huge mistake in saving the Jews. Gratitude and honesty are not in the Jews DNA.
    They are and always will be the scorpion on the frog’s back.

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  109. @Stephen Paul Foster
    "Irving noted, in a footnote, that Eichmann had testified to having been informed by Heydrich that “The Führer has ordered physical extermination,” but Irving simply dismissed that by saying: “There is no primary or secondary documentary support for such a statement."

    This is a somewhat misleading characterization of Irving's "dismal" of Eichmann's testimony since Zuesse neglected to add that Irving also stated that Eichmann was prone to exaggeration, certainly an observation that would be relevant to considerations of credibility.

    Where that quotation appears in the text, a footnote is appended to it, and one sees the footnote on page 895 of the latest edition, and all that it says to dismiss the quotation is what I have quoted in this article.

    However, having read the reader-comments up to this point (comment #46), I notice that none even so much as mentions the key quotation that I present in this article, which is “in his Secret Conversations (Table Talk) of 21 October 1941, Hitler concluded his long tirade against Jews: ‘By exterminating this pest, we shall do humanity a service …’,” which should settle the matter as to whether Hitler was proud of his “extermination” of Jews, which people he held to be a “pest,” and which “infection” in his other writings he called a “bacterium,” just as did Himmler. So, all these reader-comments evade that admission by Hitler. Furthermore, all till now have been evading: “The Führer’s words right before his suicide — his final, supreme, statement of his war-aims — urged his people to continue the war, until victory, against what he held to be the sole real enemy: ‘the poisoner of all nations, international Jewry.”” I frankly don’t understand how anyone, after seeing those two statements from Hitler himself, at and near his end, can leave any reasonable doubt as to whether David Irving is a liar. My book explains why Hitler sought the extermination of Jews: he really did believe that intermarriage of them with non-Jews caused the spreading of a blood-infection. Hitler attributed every bad trait that he held to be universal among all Jews, to being the result of that “infection.” He first got his idea for the extermination plan, in September 1919, which was when he entered politics in order to become enabled to effectuate his intention.

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    Amalek is a horrible concept popular with Old testament fanatics in Israel and with Israel firsters. Dehorah Lipstadt called Irving Amalek. After the return from Exodus, the Amalek tribe attacked the Israelites. Old testament fanatics still keep the concept of Amalek alive today. It allows Israelis to massacre of women and children in Palestine without guilt. Here Michael Hoffmann talks about Amalek and Deborah Lipstadt's calling Irving Amalek.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8GB_8WCmyU

    Here is Chabad's viewpoint of Amalek:

    https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/3942715/jewish/Who-Was-Amalek-and-the-Amalekites.htm


    o Wipe Out Amalek

    The mitzvah to destroy Amalek implies that no trace of Amalek’s existence could be left.10 “Nothing,” explain the sages, “could serve as a reminder of Amalek’s name—not even an animal about which it could be said, ‘This animal belonged to Amalek.’”11

    The first Jewish king, Saul, was commanded by the prophet Samuel to finally wipe out Amalek. Saul was victorious against the Amalekites, but spared the choicest of their flocks and the Amalekite king, Agag.

    When Samuel found out about Saul’s disobedience, Saul lost his right to kingship. Samuel then killed Agag himself.12

    However, before he was killed, Agag sired a child who would keep Amalek’s lineage alive. Some 500 years later, one of this child’s descendants was Haman the Agagite, of Purim fame.13
    , @SomeGuy
    "However, having read the reader-comments up to this point (comment #46), I notice that none even so much as mentions the key quotation that I present in this article, which is “in his Secret Conversations (Table Talk) of 21 October 1941, Hitler concluded his long tirade against Jews: ‘By exterminating this pest, we shall do humanity a service …’,” which should settle the matter as to whether Hitler was proud of his “extermination” of Jews..."

    I will bite. Here is a list of the 15 statements I was able to locate in Cameron & Stevens' 3rd edition of Table Talk:

    1. Oct 17, 1941: "As for the natives, we'll have to screen them carefully. The Jew, that destroyer, we shall drive out."
    --Forced relocation.

    2. Oct 21, 1941 "In the old days, the destruction of the libraries. Isn't that what happened in Russia? The result: a frightful levelling-down. Didn't the world see, carried on right into the Middle Ages, the same old system of martyrs, tortures, faggots? Of old, it was in the name of Christianity. To-day, it's in the name of Bolshevism. Yesterday, the instigator was Saul: the instigator to-day, Mardochai. Saul has changed into St. Paul, and Mardochai into Karl Marx. By exterminating this pest, we shall do humanity a Service of which our soldiers can have no idea."
    --What "ausrotten" mean here is unclear, but killing is a plausible interpretation.

    3. Oct 25, 1941: "From the rostrum of the Reichstag I prophesied to Jewry that, in the event of war's proving inevitable, the Jew would disappear from Europe.... Let nobody tell me that all the same we can't park them in the marshy parts of Russia! Who's worrying about our troops? It's not a bad idea, by the way, that public rumour attributes to us a plan to exterminate the Jews. Terror is a salutary thing.
    The attempt to create a Jewish state will be a failure.
    ...
    I have numerous accounts to settle, about which I cannot think to-day. But that doesn't mean I forget them. I write them down. The time will come to bring out the big book ! Even with regard to the Jews, I've found myself remaining inactive. There's no sense in adding uselessly to the difficulties of the moment. One acts more shrewdly when one bides one's time. . . . When I read of the speeches of a man like Galen, I remind myself that there's no point in administering pin-pricks,
    and that for the moment it's preferable to be silent. Why should anyone have room to doubt the durability of our movement? And if I reflect that it will last several centuries, then I
    can offer myself the luxury of waiting."

    --Forced relocation. Here "ausrotten" does seem to mean "töten" or something different that forced relocation, but he is saying that it is a seemingly false rumor, immediately before "The attempt to create a Jewish state will be a failure." It is not clear what that means. Later, he notes he will settle accounts with the Jews [and the Church] in the future, when he has time.

    4. Nov 5, 1941: "The end of the war will see the final ruin of the Jew. The Jew is the incarnation of egoism. And their egoism goes so far that they're not even capable of risking their lives for the defence of their most vital interests.... Put the Jews all together: by the end of three hundred years, they'll have devoured one another"
    --Forced relocation.

    5. Nov 19, 1941: "This sniveling in which some of the bourgeois are indulging nowadays, on the pretext that the Jews have to clear out of Germany, isjust typical of these holier-than-thou's'
    --Forced relocation.

    6. Jan 6, 1942: "Experience teaches us that after every catastrophe a scapegoat is found. In England, it will probably be the Jew. But let them settle that between themselves. It's not our mission to settle the Jewish question in other people's countries!"
    --Concern only with German Jews.

    7. Jan 22, 1942: "A good three hundred or four hundred years will go by before the Jews set foot again in Europe"
    --Forced relocation. (How else would they get back?)

    8. Jan 23, 1942: "The Jew must clear out of Europe. Otherwise no understanding will be possible between Europeans. It's the Jew who prevents everything. When I think about it, I realise that I'm extraordinarily humane. At the time of the rule of the Popes, the Jews were mistreated in Rome. Until 1830, eight Jews mounted on donkeys were led once a year through the streets of Rome. For my part, I restrict myself to telling them they must go away. If they break their pipes on the journey, I can't do anything about it. But if they refuse to go voluntarily, I see no other solution but extermination. Why should I look at a Jew through other eyes than if he were a Russian prisoner-of-war?"
    --Encouraged relocation ("go voluntarily"). Here "ausrotten" is ambiguous. It could mean either killing or forced removal. The analogy with Russian POWs, half or whom were left to starve or die of disease, would certainly suggest brutal treatment.

    9. Jan 27, 1942: "The Jews must pack up, disappear from Europe. Let them go to Russia. Where the Jews are concened, I'm devoid of all sense of pity. They'll always be the ferment that moves peoples one against the other."
    --Forced relocation.

    10. Feb 3, 1942: So the Jew smacks his thighs to see how his diabolic stratagem has succeeded. He bears in mind that if his victims suddenly became aware of these things, all Jews would be exterminated. But, this time, the Jews will disappear from Europe. The world will breathe freely and recover its sense ofjoy, when this weight is no longer crushing its shoulders."
    --Ambiguous ("will disappear").

    11. Feb 22, 1942: The discovery of the Jewish virus is one of the greatest revolutions that have taken place in the world. The battle in which we are engaged to-day is of the same sort as the battle waged, during the last century, by Pasteur and Koch. How many diseases have their origin in the Jewish virus ! Japan would have been contaminated, too, if it had stayed open to the Jews. We shall regain our health only by eliminating the Jew. Everything has a cause, nothing comes by chance."
    --Unclear, since the question is as to the meaning of "ausrotten". However, the analogy to pathogen would suggest democide.

    12. March 20, 1942: "In fact, Judaism, this form of mental depravation that must at all costs be abolished, has made the fixing of prices depend on the laws of supply and demand — factors, that is to say, which have nothing to do with the intrinsic value of an article. By creating the system of caveat emptor, the Jew has established a juridical basis for his rogueries. And thus it is that during the last two centuries, and with rare exceptions, our commerce has been dragged down to such a level that it has become absolutely necessary to apply a remedy. One first condition is necessary: to do away with the Jews."
    --Unclear ("do away with").

    13. May 15, 1942: ""It does not occur to any of those who howl when we transport a few Jews to the east that the Jew is a parasite and as such is the only human being capable of adapting himself to any climate and of earning a living just as well in Lapland as in the tropics. Among our petty bourgeois there are not a few who priđe themselves on reading their Bible; but they don't seem to know that, according to the Old Testament, the Jew survives with equal ease a sojourn in the desert and a Crossing of the Red Sea."
    --Forced relocation.

    14. April 4, 1942: "As far as we are concerned, we've succeeded in chasing the Jews from our midst and excluding Christianity from our political life... our upper classes, who've never bothered about the hundreds of thousands of German emigrants or their poverty, give way to a feeling of compassion regarding the fate of the Jews whom we claim the right to expel. Our compatriots forget too easily that the Jews have accomplices all over the world, and that no beings have greater powers of resistance as regards adaptation to climate. Jews can prosper anywhere, even in Lapland and Siberia."
    --Forced relocation.

    15. May 15, 1942: "Frequently during the course of history, the Jew has become too presumptuous and has exploited to excess the country into which he has insinuated himself. And the countries concerned, victims of his plundering, have one after the other borne witness to the damage they have suffered at the hands of Jewry; each country has then tried, in its own way and when the opportunity arose, to solve the problems arising from the presence of the Jews. And the telegram which we have just read shows with what speed the Turks, for their part, are in process of solving the problem."
    --Referring to expulsions of Jews throughout history.

    Of these 15 confidential statements in which we would expect Hitler to be candid, 13 propose some sort of solution (exclude #6 and #15). Of these 13, 9 clearly express the desire for voluntary (1) or forced relocation (8). Of the remaining 4, 2 are cryptic (#9 Jews "will disappear" from Europe,
    #11 "One first condition is necessary: to do away with the Jews") and consistent with either forced relocation or killing. This leaves 2 statements about Jews out of several hundred from 1941-1944 and 13 that specifically discussion what to do which could be construed as physically killing:

    #2 "To-day, it's in the name of Bolshevism. Yesterday, the instigator was Saul: the instigator to-day, Mardochai. Saul has changed into St. Paul, and Mardochai into Karl Marx. By [purging/rooting out/destoying/kill] this pest, we shall do humanity a Service of which our soldiers can have no idea."
    #10 "Japan would have been contaminated, too, if it had stayed open to the Jews. We shall regain our health only by [purging/rooting out/destoying/kill] the Jew. Everything has a cause, nothing comes by chance."

    The term used was "ausrotten". It can mean "to kill off" ["töten"], "to eliminate" [beseitigen], "to extirpate" [gänzlich beseitigen], "to weed out" [ausmerzen], "to purge" [säubern], to root out ["Wurzeln ausreißen"], etc. The exact intent with respect to physical destruction is not clear -- and intent is your whole point!

    In Table Talk, we are told that Bolshevism "must be [ausrotten]", Christians [er rottete aus] its adversaries in the name of love," the communists in Italy would have "[ausrotten]" the aristocracy", we should "[ausrotten] the lie [of religion]", the clergy would have been [ausrotten] by the Spanish cleregy, one of three ways of settling the social question is that the "proletariat [ausrotten] the possessing class," etc. Some of the usages mean "physically kill off" and some usages can not mean this, but rather "to root out" (in the indefinate English sense).

    So, no, the question of meaning -- of these 2 quotes -- is not settled. But let me ask, why did Hitler so often discuss relocating Jews in his secret discussions, if his goal, in fact, was to physically kill. Did he keep changing his mind? Or did he not want to let his fellow Nazis know his true intents?

    I come across more explicit expressions of a desire to, uh, 'deal with the problem' on typical altright comment sections in a week than in 3 years of Hilter's secret conversations. I would expect something more explicit.

    ...

    I agree with the other commenters. Zuesse's very selective citation of Table Talk, his misrepresentation of Adolf Eichmann's pre-trial interrogation statement -- Jochen von Lang's "Eichmann Interrogated" is deceptively transformed to: "In [Eichmann's] 1983 "Eichmann Interrogated", and his circular reasoning (i.e., Hitler must have always wanted to kill the jews otherwise he would not have expended crucial war resources on killing the jews), along with his reliance on ad hominems and passive aggressive smearing -- leads me to believe none can be made.

    Incidentally, I suggest everyone here read Table Talk. It is now on internet archive. There are some very interesting observations.

    , @jilles dykstra
    " his Secret Conversations (Table Talk) of 21 October 1941, "
    There exist grave doubts about the truth of these conversations
    , @Miro23
    First of all I would say that they weren't secret conversations. They were just conversations mostly transcribed in the evenings between July 1941 and November 1944 (the greater part to September 1942) at his two Eastern headquarters, Rastenburg (Wolfschanze) in East Prussia and later at Winnitza (Werwolf) in the Ukraine.

    1953 edition: Hitler's Table Talk 1941-1944 with an introduction by H.R. Trevor-Roper, Weidenfeld & Nicolson, London.

    The main points that I can find with regard to the Jews are:

    (145) “Just like the throne and the altar in former times so now the Jews and the political profiteers form a silent association for the common exploitation of the democratic milch cow.” (180) “Although the Jew has seized the levers of control in the Anglo-Saxon world (the press, the cinema, the radio, economic life), and although in the United States he is the entire inspiration of the populace, especially of the negroes, the bourgeois of the two countries with the rope already around their necks, tremble at the idea of rebelling against him, even timidly. What is happening now in the Anglo-Saxon world is absolutely identical with what we experienced here in 1918.” (63) “Simply the Jew has put a religious camouflage over his racial doctrine.” (119) “For my part I restrict myself to telling them they must go away. … but if they refuse to go voluntarily , I see no other solution but extermination.”
     

    (180) “As far as we're concerned, we've succeeded in chasing the Jews from our midst and excluding Christianity from our political life.” (50) “If I try to gauge my work, I must consider, first of all, that I've contributed, in a world that has forgotten the notion, to the triumph of the idea of the primacy of race. Second I've given German supremacy a solid cultural foundation.” … “I believe blindly in my nation. If I lost that belief we would have nothing left to do but shut up shop.”
     
    The relevant phrase seems to be, “For my part I restrict myself to telling them they must go away. … but if they refuse to go voluntarily , I see no other solution but extermination.”
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  110. denjae says:
    @Thomm

    If Hitler didn’t actually want the Jews to leave Germany, he was spectacularly ineffectual. Something like half of Germany’s Jews did succeed in leaving before the war.
     
    I always wondered why only half left. If it was easy to leave for a multi-year window, why risk it at all? Were the ones who stayed the ones who owned too much land or had a business that they refused to abandon?

    My long-time girlfriend.

    Born 1930 – USA (Yeah, we’re old people.)

    To German-Jewish-American parents, who immigrated post-WW1
    and became employed by one of the Rockefeller’s.

    Traveled with parents to Germany, mid-late-1930’s, to visit relatives.

    Contracted pertussis (“whooping cough” “100-day cough.”) Re-entry to USA was refused. Remained behind with relatives to recover, return to USA.

    War ensued.

    Was hidden from Nazis by Jewish and non-Jewish families alike.

    Then came close to being fire-bombed to death by USA . . . Dresden.

    Found and re-united, post-war, 1945 with parents in USA.

    Miracle indeed.

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  111. hyperbola says:
    @Bardon Kaldian
    I do get Jews' obsession with shoah, but I hardly get "denialists'"" stance: this did happen, but is, due to Jewish media influence in Western societies, overblown out of proportion. No one with sane mind in Poland, Hungary, Greece, Ukraine or Russia will deny that many or most Jews were systematically murdered. This is not even the topic. What they would, reasonably, argue with that Jewish nationalists' constant drumming on the theme & emotional blackmail in trying to extort as much money as possible and advance their tribalist interests at the expense of the natives' is simply unacceptable.

    Both Irving and Goldhagen are to be despised. So far, the best holocaust book I've read- this is not the topic I am too interested in- is Kershaw's collection of essays:

    https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51oCWuJGKiL._SX330_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

    One has only to remember what sect carried out the biggest genocide in Europe of the 2oth century (killing at least four-times more people than adolf) to wonder why we are inundated continuously with propaganda about a smaller incident.

    Stalin’s Jews
    We mustn’t forget that some of greatest murderers of modern times were Jewish

    https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html

    Here’s a particularly forlorn historical date: Almost 90 years ago, between the 19th and 20th of December 1917, in the midst of the Bolshevik revolution and civil war, Lenin signed a decree calling for the establishment of The All-Russian Extraordinary Commission for Combating Counter-Revolution and Sabotage, also known as Cheka.

    Within a short period of time, Cheka became the largest and cruelest state security organization. Its organizational structure was changed every few years, as were its names: From Cheka to GPU, later to NKVD, and later to KGB.

    We cannot know with certainty the number of deaths Cheka was responsible for in its various manifestations, but the number is surely at least 20 million, including victims of the forced collectivization, the hunger, large purges, expulsions, banishments, executions, and mass death at Gulags.

    Whole population strata were eliminated: Independent farmers, ethnic minorities, members of the bourgeoisie, senior officers, intellectuals, artists, labor movement activists, “opposition members” who were defined completely randomly, and countless members of the Communist party itself…..

    ….. And us, the Jews? An Israeli student finishes high school without ever hearing the name “Genrikh Yagoda,” the greatest Jewish murderer of the 20th Century, the GPU’s deputy commander and the founder and commander of the NKVD. Yagoda diligently implemented Stalin’s collectivization orders and is responsible for the deaths of at least 10 million people. His Jewish deputies established and managed the Gulag system…. In 1934, according to published statistics, 38.5 percent of those holding the most senior posts in the Soviet security apparatuses were of Jewish origin. …..

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    If one has nothing of real value to tell why does he get the pain of writing? Nihilist or just idiotic?
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  112. @Jake
    "While my book doesn’t mention Irving, it does deal extensively with (among others) a writer about the Holocaust who seems to hate Germans as much as Irving seems to hate Jews: Daniel Goldhagen. The problem with both writers is that they are tribal (one a “Jew” and the other an “Aryan” — i.e., pureblooded Christian, or, at least, not “Jew”

    What? Are you unaware that there is no such thing as a Christian race in the sense that we can speak of the Jewish race? Are you unaware that it is impossible to equate Aryan with Christian, unless you are a Jew or other person who hates both Christianity/Christians and white peoples of European ancestry with an equal fury? Are you unaware that the Nazi movement was anti-Christian at its core, at times as viciously as were the Marxist and anarchist movements so beloved of Jews in Germany and elsewhere?

    At best. you are ignorant. At worst, you have created a false dichotomy to advance your case.

    The Nazi movement was evil. And so was Hitler as its most important leader. But those who have and work to transmit the religion of pure Hitler-hating, from the Christ-hating, Christendom-hating, white-peoples of Christendom-hating Marxists and anarchists of Hitler's time down to today's Christ-hating, Christendom-hating, white peoples of Christendom-hating ADL, SPLC, BLM, GLAAD, Open Society Foundations, SJW college professors and students, etc. are as evil as were Hitler and his minions.

    I have never read a David Irving book. From the articles I have read, both pro and con, I assume that Irving does more than a bit of quibbling over Hitler. But as the Hitler presented to the public is little more realistically human than a cartoon caricature of the embodiment of evil in crime lord, Irving's focuses on the sentimental, tender-hearted parts of Hitler's Germanic character traits are valid, because they were parts of the man. They do not exonerate him of his leadership of an evil movement, but they are valid. And it is that type validity that refuses to keep playing the game of making Hitler THE very essence of pure evil, pure evil only because Jews were feared and despised and killed by that evil movement, that cause people to smear and act to ruin, financially and otherwise, historians such as Irving.

    This is how Hitler defined “Jew”; and here is how he started in 1933 to carry out his plan, based upon CHURCH membership archives:

    Eberhard Bethge, who had been a liberal Protestant cleric during the Third Reich, was interviewed in the last chapter of Augustin Hedberg’s 1992 FAITH UNDER FIRE and was asked what those years had been like. Bethge commented, “‘Bad blood’ was the great term. You had to have Aryan blood.” Hitler, in only his private statements, had defined “Aryan,” as pureblooded Christian. Bethge’s interviewer inquired, “So we know this Jewish poison [Jewish blood] had to be cleansed. How did they propose to do that?” Bethge replied, tellingly: “For instance, everybody in an office, in a village, in a city, in a province, in Berlin, had to prove that he had [only] Aryan ancestors. How could he do that? He could do it only if he wrote to church officers in the villages or in the cities and asked them to look in the old books of the church in which baptisms were recorded. So many pastors and church secretaries had to work for hours and hours, weeks and months to answer all these requests. ‘Please give me an excerpt out of the church files that proves my ancestors had been Christians.’ The church officers and the ministers, they didn’t care. They did that. They said, ‘How important we are now.’ I was an assistant curator in the winter of ’33. I had to sit all morning and look through the books and answer these letters.” It was therefore the Christian clergy themselves–people indoctrinated with John 8:44, and Matthew 27:25, and Matthew 23:31-36, and Luke 19:27, etc.–who were the proud implementers of the indispensable first step in the Nazis’ 12-year-long “racist” war against the Jews, by supplying the crucial raw data for segregating-out Jews. Bethge was even honest enough to admit, “We were anti-Semitic, and we thought this was Christian.” The essential first step in the “final solution” was this identification of who was NOT an “Aryan,” who WAS “a Jew.” Hitler commanded this first step in the year he came into power, 1933, and the Christian clergy executed it with pride. And yet even today, so-called “historians” say that Hitler didn’t have execution of the Jews in mind from the very start, and that Hitler was no Christian, and so forth. “Historians” have not been doing their job, for the truth. That’s why the general public cannot separate propaganda from history–the latter is just an extension of the former. Compare this account of the origin off how the Nazis managed to identify who was “a Jew” and who was not, that was given in a traditional history book on that topic, Edwin Black’s 2001 IBM AND THE HOLOCAUST. Christianity’s role is ignored.

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    We have a middle east Holocaust happening today. The world is silent. Old testament fanaticism is the center piece of it. Iraq 1991 invasion ended on Purim by killing 150000 Iraqis surrendering troops by US bombs from the air. 2003 Iraq invasion started on Purim. 2011 Libya invasion started on Purim. Mad Albright said 500000 Iraqi dying from sanctions is ok in the 1990s. This Old testament fanaticism needs to be addressed for the sake of humanity and our planet.
    , @kikl
    "And yet even today, so-called “historians” say that Hitler didn’t have execution of the Jews in mind from the very start, and that Hitler was no Christian, and so forth."

    If Hitler had execution in mind in 1933 then why did he pursue a policy of making the jews emigrate? He couldn't kill the jews once they had emigrated!?

    For this reason, every reasonable historian rejects the idea that Hitler had already in mind to kill all of the jews in 1933.
    , @RealAmericanValuesCirca1776Not1965
    Anecdotal evidence aside, I guess I am just missing the part about how you go from searching for and identifying Jewish blood to, without any evidence at all, and with plenty of evidence to the contrary, the foregone conclusion that cleansing and genocide were the (only) goal from the very start. As opposed to removal and relocation.

    “‘Bad blood’ was the great term. You had to have Aryan blood.” Hitler, in only his private statements, had defined “Aryan,” as pureblooded Christian. Bethge’s interviewer inquired, “So we know this Jewish poison [Jewish blood] had to be cleansed. How did they propose to do that?
     
    Well? I see no evidence. Just the heavy insinuations that people without evidence often try to pass off as a valid substitute. It's not. There's no small supply of anecdotal evidence against the genocide narrative, from Jews, as well. Just take a glimpse at all the interviews Spielberg nixed from his Holohoax documentary for not being in line with his false narrative, despite coming from actual Jews in the camps.

    And yet even today, so-called “historians” say that Hitler didn’t have execution of the Jews in mind from the very star
     
    What do you mean "and yet" or "so-called" . You mean: "And yet, despite the empty insinuations and insistence that absence of proof is not proof of absence, some so-called "historians" are still doing their actual job and not revising history based on baseless insinuations or otherwise unsubstantiated and, in many cases, even outright refutable claims?

    Pointing out what everyone knows, that he was looking for Jews, and then connecting that to slaughtering them all with intent, using nothing more than insinuation and anecdotally reinforced assurances.. is NOT sound reasoning.

    Christianity’s role is ignored.
     
    Maybe Christianity did play a bigger role. It's still the role it was supposed to play, is it not? Protecting civilization from destructive influences. There are some reasonably sound arguments out there that suggest Christianity was created specifically as a weapon against Jews and their religion of subversion and supremacy.

    In either event, the involvement of Christianity in the affairs of Germany in the WWII period here is no different than Christianity's involvement in the Crusades. Just another example of Christianity stepping up and serving it's purpose as a shield, as a bulwark (albeit with mixed success). Be it against the flailing sword of Islam, or the cloaked dagger of Judaism.

    If anything, it's a shame that dagger's poison has been so effective at corroding the West's bulwark ever since WWII.
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  113. Anonymous[199] • Disclaimer says:
    @NoseytheDuke
    I never questioned a word of it, not even the lampshades or the soap stories, until Irving was punished for his views. Since then, what I find to be "crass insensitivity, and an ahistorical insult" is the endless repetition of the Six Million Lie when in fact over 55 million people did die as a result of WWI, and "somehow" that incredible number has been relegated to a lesser place in history due to the creation of the Jewish victimhood meme. WWII was simply a continuation of WWI which was largely brought about, deliberately for the purpose of profit, control and creating a New World Order, by financiers in London and NY, most of whom claimed to be Jews.

    Certainly people of all stripes suffered, war by definition is evil, but since the word holocaust means a burnt offering I would think that the fire bombing of civilians in cities better fits that description than The Holocaust mythology based on gassings and incinerations on an industrial scale for which little to no hard evidence exists and much of what does can be shown to have been fabricated. It's interesting also that both Britain and the US built a variety of four engined, long range, heavy bombers ideal for laying waste to large civilian centres whilst Germany built none.

    I’m sorry that you only took part of the defective batch of red pills when and because, irrelevantly, you were upset at Irving being punished for what you trustingly – and strictly inaccurately – call his “views”. If the indignant brain can be switched on again you might try setting aside the fact that lots of nasty destructive things were done in the 20th century that had nothing much to do with Hitler and the Jews and reset your starting point by studying the previous history of German anti-Semitism (and you might look at the willingness to commit genocide in Namibia in still high fertility days), the Kaiser suggesting exterminating the Jews with gas as, a comment elsewhere has noted, and Hitler’s long record of obsessive anti-Semitism. Hence the betrayal by a once great nation of Western civilization. Leave off treating as an issue whether the total number was 4 million or 6 million out of about 11 million. The Jews were Hitler’s leading candidates for extermination, as the mass deportations of women, children and old people from Western Europe should on its own be almost enough to wrap it up.

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    Are you familiar with the Transfer Agreement? It was a WW2 zionist plan to get European jews to move to Palestine so Israel could be created. Are you familiar with the Balfour Declaration? It was a zionist plan hatched in WW1 to create Israel from Palestine, which occurred at the end of WW2. A byproduct of this event is that America would be dragged into WW1, via the usual false flag event (Lusitania).

    Why did Int'l Jewry declare war on Germany in 1933? Can you provide evidence of Hitler wanting to exterminate?
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  114. j2 says:
    @Wally
    What the hell are you talking about?

    Where are your sources?

    What "death marches"?

    LOL

    www.codoh.com

    Sorry Wally, it is not for you, see whom I wrote it to from the beginning quote. Pressed incorrect key.

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  115. hyperbola says:

    Zuesse has made a name for himself elsewhere as a “defender” of zionist crimes against Palestinians. He is about as reliable on this topic as Netanyahu himself, who told us that the Hitler is not guilty for the Holocaust.

    Netanyahu Exonerates Hitler of Responsibility for the Holocaust

    https://azvsas.blogspot.com/2015/10/netanyahu-exonerates-hitler-of.html

    At the World Zionist Organisation Congress on 20th October, Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu made what, even by his standards was an outrageous claim. Hitler was initially only in favour of expelling Jews from Europe (what was known as the Madgascar Plan) and that it was the Mufti who persuaded him of the merits of exterminating them…..

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    What "hyperbola" says in #115 is a lie, and that's not only because this very article (in its concluding paragraph, no less) condemns Daniel Goldhagen's zionism, but because of the several articles that I have written about Israel, all of which are hostile toward it, as is explained, for example, in my "Why Does U.S. Gov’t. Donate $38B to an Enemy Nation?" (at http://washingtonsblog.com/2016/09/u-s-govt-donate-38b-enemy-nation.html and elsewhere), and in the many articles I've published about the Saud-Israel alliance, all explaining how tied-together both aristocracies are in controlling U.S. foreign policies. Though I am not anti-Jews (such as many of the readers here seem to be -- and quite strongly!), I am very anti-Israel. And as to the accusations that are being made here that I am anti-Christian, I am no more anti-Christian than I am anti-Jew, though the readers who are commenting here seem to be extremely pro-Christian and extremely anti-Jew. All such tribalisms are equally, and extremely, destructive.
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  116. @utu
    Eric Zuesse hates Christianity and Catholic Church in particular, so he decided to implicate it in Holocaust claiming that Hitler's true motives behind planning and executing the Holocaust was Christianity. Just another Christianity hating kook.

    Ad-hominem attacks are the preferred method for someone who has no evidence. Besides, what you said is false in every regard, except that my book does document that Hitler had an extraordinarily good memory and in all his reliably transcribed and written statements he paraphrased from over a hundred lines from throughout the Bible, and he believed himself to be carrying out the intention of Jesus regarding the Jews. However, Hitler also was profoundly influenced by Genesis 3, and by Revelations. However, after the Pope in 1937 made clear to him that the Pope’s moral authority was higher than was Hitler’s, Hitler changed his mind and concluded that the problem with Jews wasn’t necessarily that they had descended from the Snake in Genesis 3, but that their blood was infected with a bacterium, which must not be passed along (via intermarriage) to pure-blooded Christians.

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    ..Hitler changed his mind and concluded that the problem with Jews wasn’t necessarily that they had descended from the Snake in Genesis 3, but that their blood was infected with a bacterium, which must not be passed along (via intermarriage) to pure-blooded Christians.
     
    Would you be so kind to point to some online source re above, please?

    You are, apparently, an expert in the matter.
    Question, then:
    How much of the "thing" was just Hitler (a person), how much his inner circle (say, Himmler, Goebbels, Goering, Hess) , how much top Nazi elite and, well, how much Nazis (the movement) in general?

    "Thing" being that peculiar attitude re Jews in general.
    , @utu

    [Hitler] believed himself to be carrying out the intention of Jesus regarding the Jews
     

    However, after the Pope in 1937 made clear to him that the Pope’s moral authority was higher than was Hitler’s, Hitler changed his mind and concluded that the problem with Jews wasn’t necessarily that they had descended from the Snake in Genesis 3, but that their blood was infected with a bacterium, which must not be passed along (via intermarriage) to pure-blooded Christians.
     
    You are a kook. It is not ad hominem. Just keep talking. And this will become only more evident for anybody who might still consider you sane.

    BTW, paraphrasing is not a proof of 'extraordinarily good memory.' People with good memory can quote verbatim. The 'paraphrases' that you have discovered are only in your mind.
    , @Svigor
    Textbook non-denial denial. Which is fine; it's your right to hate Christianity.
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  117. Robjil says:
    @Eric Zuesse
    This is how Hitler defined "Jew"; and here is how he started in 1933 to carry out his plan, based upon CHURCH membership archives:

    Eberhard Bethge, who had been a liberal Protestant cleric during the Third Reich, was interviewed in the last chapter of Augustin Hedberg's 1992 FAITH UNDER FIRE and was asked what those years had been like. Bethge commented, "'Bad blood' was the great term. You had to have Aryan blood." Hitler, in only his private statements, had defined "Aryan," as pureblooded Christian. Bethge's interviewer inquired, "So we know this Jewish poison [Jewish blood] had to be cleansed. How did they propose to do that?" Bethge replied, tellingly: "For instance, everybody in an office, in a village, in a city, in a province, in Berlin, had to prove that he had [only] Aryan ancestors. How could he do that? He could do it only if he wrote to church officers in the villages or in the cities and asked them to look in the old books of the church in which baptisms were recorded. So many pastors and church secretaries had to work for hours and hours, weeks and months to answer all these requests. 'Please give me an excerpt out of the church files that proves my ancestors had been Christians.' The church officers and the ministers, they didn't care. They did that. They said, 'How important we are now.' I was an assistant curator in the winter of '33. I had to sit all morning and look through the books and answer these letters." It was therefore the Christian clergy themselves--people indoctrinated with John 8:44, and Matthew 27:25, and Matthew 23:31-36, and Luke 19:27, etc.--who were the proud implementers of the indispensable first step in the Nazis' 12-year-long "racist" war against the Jews, by supplying the crucial raw data for segregating-out Jews. Bethge was even honest enough to admit, "We were anti-Semitic, and we thought this was Christian." The essential first step in the "final solution" was this identification of who was NOT an "Aryan," who WAS "a Jew." Hitler commanded this first step in the year he came into power, 1933, and the Christian clergy executed it with pride. And yet even today, so-called "historians" say that Hitler didn't have execution of the Jews in mind from the very start, and that Hitler was no Christian, and so forth. “Historians” have not been doing their job, for the truth. That's why the general public cannot separate propaganda from history--the latter is just an extension of the former. Compare this account of the origin off how the Nazis managed to identify who was "a Jew" and who was not, that was given in a traditional history book on that topic, Edwin Black's 2001 IBM AND THE HOLOCAUST. Christianity’s role is ignored.

    We have a middle east Holocaust happening today. The world is silent. Old testament fanaticism is the center piece of it. Iraq 1991 invasion ended on Purim by killing 150000 Iraqis surrendering troops by US bombs from the air. 2003 Iraq invasion started on Purim. 2011 Libya invasion started on Purim. Mad Albright said 500000 Iraqi dying from sanctions is ok in the 1990s. This Old testament fanaticism needs to be addressed for the sake of humanity and our planet.

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  118. Anon[317] • Disclaimer says:
    @Heros

    "it’s distinctly improbable that one could murder six million people without the nation’s leader even noticing. "
     
    Actually, the claim is 11 million of which 5 million were "gypsies, homosexuals, communists, etc". One gigantic problem the holohoaxers have is that they were already forced to walk back the claims that there were gas chambers in what is now Germany, so all these 11 million had to have been gassed/exterminated in what is now Poland, who will not allow any forensics on these 11 million to be undertaken. Poland, the nation who helped cover up Katyn for the Bolsheviks to pin it all on Germany during the sham Nuremburg trials. How convenient.

    But the math simply does not work, so what we have is narrative collapse, yet certain people like Eric Zeuss or Colin Wright choose to cling to certain "facts" that were parts of a narrative that has been proven to be false in so many places. This holocaust narrative actually goes back to the Tsar's "pogroms" when the jewish run US media already started pushing the 6 million dead in a holocaust. This narrative was repeated through the entire second world war:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sb-glOFJ3OU

    Ben Hecht sent the "we will never die" broadway pageant touring across the US in March 1943 to whip up sympathy for the same jews who had declared war on Germany in 1933. Jews were already claiming 2 million dead in 1942, but we know that was a lie. Theodore Kaufman wrote "Germany Must Perish" in 1940, before Auschwitz was even opened. This was used as the basis for the Morgentau plan which was leaked in 1944.

    So Germany and the Germans knew what the jews had planned for them even before the firebombing of Hamburg, Dresden, Berlin and the mass murder of millions of German civilians in bombing raids on civilian areas. Then in 1945 came the Hellstorm in the east and Eisenhowers Rhine Meadows death camps in the west. Real death camps with real bodies and real concentration camps filled with Germans across Siberia.

    If we deconstruct the narrative further, what we have is the jews setting Germany up with the stab in the back of 1918, jews bankrupting Germany with the reparations they agreed to in Versaille, jews declaring war on Germany in 1933, jews broadcasting that they were going to commit genocide on Germans and Germany when the war was over, then jews actually committing this genocide, then jews conducting sham trials where they project their own guilt onto the Germans for the murders and atrocities they committed (Katyn), then they implement the Morganthau plan as promised and starve millions of Germans and strip out all her industry and enslave the men while they try to mongrelize the women left behind. That is the true history of how rotten the jews are, not the kosher narrative of they how much they are persecuted.

    I think the point here is that if the Germans had conducted the holocaust, they would have been justified. However, the ultimate insult is that the people who conducted the real holocaust are still extracting reparations from Germany for the crimes they committed against the comparatively far more innocent Germany.

    It can come as no surprise then that they are willing to lock up old ladies for "holocaust denial". Bravo, Eric Zeuss and Colin Wright, for standing up for the kosher narrative.

    Poland, who will not allow any forensics on these 11 million to be undertaken. Poland, the nation who helped cover up Katyn for the Bolsheviks to pin it all on Germany during the sham Nuremburg trials. How convenient.

    its more than the math.. its intention.. the USA imprisoned its Japanese, and because the USA was capable to feed them few died.. Germany was unable to feed its own, much less those who were held outside of its society so many died, could the deaths have been a matter or priorities?

    The giant question why the Germans came to oppose Jewish presence, seems to me Hitler wished to alienate genetic affliction not competing races.

    Another question Can Hollow Cost propaganda, puppet German leadership, banker backed Zionist (1897) intentions to both eliminate Germany from the competition for the Arab oil and to increase the rate of Jewish infiltration in to Arab lands for the purpose to creating a Zionist controlled political structure which could lead the taking of the oil from the Arabs be reconciled?

    For that matter the entire issue associated to Lenin’s October revolution comes under suspicion as it might also be a part of that “take the oil by migration” plan.

    Somewhere in my library is a book with words to the effect that Hitler offered any nation (that would accept into citizenship any German Jewish person (a $5,000 relocation bounty). Who can give me a reference to that. so I don’t have to look it up.

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  119. Anonymous[199] • Disclaimer says:
    @escobar
    How about you all reading this article by historian Timothy Snyder:

    www.nybooks.com/articles/2009/07/16/holocaust-the-ignored-reality/

    And the figure of Jewish civilians killed, among millions of others, historians like Snyder agree, is about 5.1 to 5.2 million, not the 6 million one given right after WWII and before German and other historians did their research.

    Thank you for that link. It is important occasionally to fortify oneself against the perverted addleheaded crap that the vermin endlessly spit out.

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  120. kikl says:
    @Eric Zuesse
    This is how Hitler defined "Jew"; and here is how he started in 1933 to carry out his plan, based upon CHURCH membership archives:

    Eberhard Bethge, who had been a liberal Protestant cleric during the Third Reich, was interviewed in the last chapter of Augustin Hedberg's 1992 FAITH UNDER FIRE and was asked what those years had been like. Bethge commented, "'Bad blood' was the great term. You had to have Aryan blood." Hitler, in only his private statements, had defined "Aryan," as pureblooded Christian. Bethge's interviewer inquired, "So we know this Jewish poison [Jewish blood] had to be cleansed. How did they propose to do that?" Bethge replied, tellingly: "For instance, everybody in an office, in a village, in a city, in a province, in Berlin, had to prove that he had [only] Aryan ancestors. How could he do that? He could do it only if he wrote to church officers in the villages or in the cities and asked them to look in the old books of the church in which baptisms were recorded. So many pastors and church secretaries had to work for hours and hours, weeks and months to answer all these requests. 'Please give me an excerpt out of the church files that proves my ancestors had been Christians.' The church officers and the ministers, they didn't care. They did that. They said, 'How important we are now.' I was an assistant curator in the winter of '33. I had to sit all morning and look through the books and answer these letters." It was therefore the Christian clergy themselves--people indoctrinated with John 8:44, and Matthew 27:25, and Matthew 23:31-36, and Luke 19:27, etc.--who were the proud implementers of the indispensable first step in the Nazis' 12-year-long "racist" war against the Jews, by supplying the crucial raw data for segregating-out Jews. Bethge was even honest enough to admit, "We were anti-Semitic, and we thought this was Christian." The essential first step in the "final solution" was this identification of who was NOT an "Aryan," who WAS "a Jew." Hitler commanded this first step in the year he came into power, 1933, and the Christian clergy executed it with pride. And yet even today, so-called "historians" say that Hitler didn't have execution of the Jews in mind from the very start, and that Hitler was no Christian, and so forth. “Historians” have not been doing their job, for the truth. That's why the general public cannot separate propaganda from history--the latter is just an extension of the former. Compare this account of the origin off how the Nazis managed to identify who was "a Jew" and who was not, that was given in a traditional history book on that topic, Edwin Black's 2001 IBM AND THE HOLOCAUST. Christianity’s role is ignored.

    “And yet even today, so-called “historians” say that Hitler didn’t have execution of the Jews in mind from the very start, and that Hitler was no Christian, and so forth.”

    If Hitler had execution in mind in 1933 then why did he pursue a policy of making the jews emigrate? He couldn’t kill the jews once they had emigrated!?

    For this reason, every reasonable historian rejects the idea that Hitler had already in mind to kill all of the jews in 1933.

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    Why, then, did Hitler have pastors in all of the churches provide the new Government their archival baptismal records for everyone in their parish?
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  121. peterAUS says:
    @Bendin of Poland
    Funny, really funny.
    No matter who ordered Holo.
    Mr. Adolf organised the totalitarian Germany -> was an enabler of Holo.
    Perfectly normal Germans (not the SS, not the KL guards) killed over 200 000 KL prisoners in spring 1945, during the Death Marches through Lover Silesia.
    They did it because The State told them they can and they should.
    No matter who ordered - grandpa Hitler signed under all this and he was responsible.

    Agree.

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  122. Anonymous[199] • Disclaimer says:
    @Erebus
    One sometimes wonders why no serious, professional historian has ever touched the Holocaust third rail. If one was mid-career at (say) Harvard, wouldn't one turn over every rock to prove it happened, guaranteeing rock star status in the History field? You'd be Faculty Dean in a heartbeat, get a seat on the Board, probably at more than one university, and travel the world with a retinue of sycophants giving lectures for sums only Bill Clinton dreams of.

    Given the claimed scale and close proximity in time, it should be a "Gimme". We aren't talking about the Peloponnesian Wars here. We're talking about a process involving millions of humans and enormous resources taking place on a continental scale within living memory. Why hasn't any sharp young History professor gone after the prize?

    Or have they, and and quietly buried their failures lest their career come to an untimely end?

    Has it not occurred to even the arrogant amateur that you are that there is no special advantage for a serious historian to refute the ragtag teams of denialists? Actually more likely to be seen as demeaning. It is as ignorant as thinking that, because some historian performs badly – as a convincing expert witness – under professional cross-examination, what he knows and writes about is discredited. (Have you ever been cross-examined by a $1000s an hour top trial lawyer, in the witness box or when deposing?).

    Doesn’t the deportation of Jewish women, children and old people strike you as difficult to explain innocently?

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    Actually more likely to be seen as demeaning.
     
    Given how much the Holocaust scholars who bring nothing to the table are feted, one would think anyone who brought incontrovertible proof would see even better treatment.

    (Have you ever been cross-examined by a $1000s an hour top trial lawyer, in the witness box or when deposing?).
     
    No idea what the lawyers involved were earning, but I've been under cross-examination several times. No big deal if you have the facts. BTW, Douglas Christie, Zundel's lawyer in the Toronto trial was (in)famous for taking on free speech cases, often doing so pro bono or for greatly reduced fees. He was certainly not being paid $1000/hr.

    In any case, Hilberg did not "perform badly", and I doubt any Holocaust historian could have done better. Quite simply, he was compelled to state in open court that his 3+ decades of research into the Holocaust had turned up zero, a conclusion he had come to himself prior to the trial.

    Doesn’t the deportation of Jewish women, children and old people strike you as difficult to explain innocently?
     
    Was it so difficult that an entire ecosystem of lies had to be concocted to explain it? A rational person looks for a simpler explanation than a physically impossible process, run on an industrial scale by ESP. History is filled to overflowing with deportations and ethnic cleansings. If you're looking for a recent case, the Nakba might come to mind.
    , @Mulegino1
    I think you should have written that there is no special advantage for a "serious historian" (whatever that means) to attempt to refute the revisionists, because reducing the fake narrative to the level of fact and empirical investigation renders it falsifiable and demythologizes it. Once reduced to a discrete and factual level the whole pseudo-religion of the Shoah crumbles into dust.

    The Shoahites are not interested in real facts, but only in the larger and nebulous narrative of the sacrosanct 6 million.

    A "serious historian" who conducts a factual examination of the evidence for the "most documented event in human history" is treading in a minefield of political correctness and raw Jewish/Zionist power politics and risking his neck in the process.

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  123. ltravail says:

    This critique of David Irving’s work is more like the work of a journalistic mercenary than of an honestly objective intellect. Irving was one of the most widely-read and celebrated writers of WW2-related history earlier in his career. But that was until he published “Hitler’s War.” That massive work once was even required, or highly-recommended, reading in military institutions over the world, including in the US. It wasn’t until a certain (and well-documented) cadre launched their extensive and wildly successful anti-Irving campaign that the public (or the more weakly-constituted elements of it) accepted the view of Irving as a pariah, and “Hitler’s War” was removed from the recommended reading lists of those aforementioned military institutions. Even after all these years (since the first publication of that remarkable work) this campaign continues. This hit piece is just the latest salvo in that great defamation campaign (though much applause and respect is due Ron Unz for having the conviction to put David Irving and his work in the spotlight).

    I have read most of Irving’s major (and minor) work, and have attended a couple of his lectures. His work makes other, more “acceptable”, WW2 historians (particularly those dealing with the German National Socialist regime) look like writers of folklore rather than facts-based history. He’s like the Art Tatum of WW2 historiographers – his instrumental command is so daunting that it makes most of the rest look ham-handed!

    Allow me to relate that I am a non-white American male. I say this because one of the (many) charges against Irving is that he’s a “racist” by nature – which, by implication, also means “anti-semitic”, as his tormentors would wish to convey. As I said, I have heard Irving in-person and viewed numerous other of his lectures of the past three decades – as well as having read most of his material. There is no doubt the man has a particular affinity for the “old” England – the England of empire – into which he was born and bred. And he makes no bones about lamenting the loss of his “jolly old England” by the shift in that nation’s immigration policies after WW2. But I have also heard him speak endearingly about the Afro-Caribbean immigrant female who used to be his assistant (who, in his words, he hired because she was the most qualified for the job).

    There is nothing that I have read in any of Irving’s works that would indicate what the man’s proclivities and prejudices are. He certainly does not spare Hitler or any of the other leading National Socialists (or Churchill, himself!) of that time of harsh judgment when due. But neither does he succumb to the worn-out fashion of making the people of that era and place caricatures of monstrosity. Needless to say, there was plenty of monstrosity on all sides in that era.

    If there is any merit to the charge of Irving as a “racist”, then you might say it’s a character flaw that is easily divorced from the merits of his work. And even if one wanted to believe that Irving is a “racist”, that does not make the man dishonest, a liar…a Cretin. The merits of his work are unimpeachable, which certainly has much, if not everything, to do with the vigor and extent to which this extraordinary scholar has been (and still is being) persecuted.

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    ltravail says:

    This critique of David Irving’s work is more like the work of a journalistic mercenary than of an honestly objective intellect.

     

    Yep, It's basically character assassination.
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  124. @j2
    Yes, you are right, but Jews, who were taken to the Soviet Union mostly did not appear later. It is impossible to know exactly (or even roughly) what happened to them, there was the war, there were camps on both sides. But we do know that most deaths of Jews did not happen in the Western Europe or West Poland (that is, the area about west of the present Polish east boundary), but in the East (the Soviet Union of 1941 after taking Baltic states and East Poland). The Jewish dead in the West and Western Poland were about 1 million according to the accepted figures given for ghettos and work camps, war and all other things (for German camps alone 0.76M in my calculation), the rest is in the East. We do not know what exactly happened in the East. Germans shot some number (maybe 500,000?), many died in German camps, many evacuated died in Soviet camps, there was the war. In some way an additional 2 million+ (probably) died in the East bringing the death toll to 3-3.5 million (unless you have better information). It is known more or less how many survived, but it was a major war, and there is no hard evidence for a planned genocide.

    This is a reasonable comment, and your numbers are not out of line with the only real demographic study of the issue I’m aware of (Sanning); this is a very challenging problem requiring all kinds of assumptions.

    Needless to say, that many Jews died from various German actions (mass shootings in the course of anti-partisan activity or deportations) in no way supports the claims of an extermination program, nor does it make credible the absurd eyewitness accounts of places like Treblinka.

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    In Sannings numbers very many Jews immigrated from Poland. I think they immigrated from East Poland or further east from Poland, like from the Soviet Union. There was 100,00 yearly immigration through Poland to France and from there forward, and in my opinion 1 million ended up in the USA. Many stayed in France and the high French Jewish population in 1939 was largely immigrants from the east.

    Why I think Sanning maybe overestimates the immigration from Poland is that I count that what is left to Auschwitz when I subtract known losses and concentration camp survivors is 400,000. Then there were 100,000 Polish Jews, who came to DP camps after 1946, so remains to explain 300,000. Probably 60,000 died in Auschwitz, 50,000 Jews died in the attack and following terror by Germans (or were taken to camps, Poles count that 500,0oo Poles died, 50,000 is 10% like the Jews were), This leaves 190,000. I cannot reduce the population of West Poland more than 190,000 (i.e., whole Poland more than 350,000) thus I cannot reduce the population of Poland in 1939 much below 3 million. But I can easily accept that the areas east of Poland had lost quite many Jews. I think Sanning is essentially correct, there was large immigration before 1939, only not so many from Western Poland.

    I used the Jewish figures for the Jewish populations and the official German+Polish figures for deaths in other than extermination camps, as they are quite sufficient for showing that 1-1.5M deaths in Auschwitz is impossible (and these numbers seem OK to me).

    For Treblinka, Sobibor, Belcez I estimate that each had about 50,000 deaths as there are mass graves and the size and number of the graves suggest the figure 50,000, not 500,000. Thus, 1.3M passed these camps to the east and what happened to them is anybody's guess. At least some 270,00 survived according to a calculation of how many came to the DP camps from the east after 1946.

    But of course, I do not deny the Holocaust and 6M. Miracles happen still today.

    , @Wally
    said:
    "... that many Jews died from various German actions (mass shootings in the course of anti-partisan activity or deportations) in no way supports the claims of an extermination program, nor does it make credible the absurd eyewitness accounts of places like Treblinka."

    The Fraudulent 'holocau$t' Industry now claims that ca. 2,000,000 Jews were shot by the Einsatzgruppen into huge pits, so, anyone, please SHOW us the actual excavations, the enormous mass graves, & remains that are claimed to exist, their locations are allegedly known.
    Is that:
    100 graves of 20,000?
    200 graves of 10,000?
    400 graves of 5,000?
    500 graves of 4,000?
    1000 graves of 2000?
    2000 graves of 1000?

    former Einsatzgruppen Members Reject Bizarre Claims of Mass Shootings / Babi Yar, etc.

    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11396

    !! Excavation Result: No Enormous Human Remains as Alleged at Babi Yar !! ... of
    course

    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11314

    aerial of Babi Yar at exact time of alleged action:
    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/2a/d4/6d/2ad46d6c00b9e525c82848cbd2ff3d83--babi-the-germans.jpg
    nothing happening

    www.codoh.com

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  125. peterAUS says:
    @Bardon Kaldian
    I do get Jews' obsession with shoah, but I hardly get "denialists'"" stance: this did happen, but is, due to Jewish media influence in Western societies, overblown out of proportion. No one with sane mind in Poland, Hungary, Greece, Ukraine or Russia will deny that many or most Jews were systematically murdered. This is not even the topic. What they would, reasonably, argue with that Jewish nationalists' constant drumming on the theme & emotional blackmail in trying to extort as much money as possible and advance their tribalist interests at the expense of the natives' is simply unacceptable.

    Both Irving and Goldhagen are to be despised. So far, the best holocaust book I've read- this is not the topic I am too interested in- is Kershaw's collection of essays:

    https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51oCWuJGKiL._SX330_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

    Good post.

    Especially this:

    This is not even the topic. What they would, reasonably, argue with that Jewish nationalists’ constant drumming on the theme & emotional blackmail in trying to extort as much money as possible and advance their tribalist interests at the expense of the natives’ is simply unacceptable.

    I’d go one step more:
    What they would, reasonably, argue with that neoliberal elites constant drumming on the theme & emotional blackmail in trying to advance their globalist interests at the expense of the natives’ is simply unacceptable.

    That’s the core issue smart people should be focusing on.

    Not here, of course.

    These…ahm….”debates”…are about something else.

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  126. peterAUS says:
    @dearieme
    "One problem was finding a place that would take you in, no?"

    In particular, one problem was finding a place to take you in that you were prepared to live in. For example there were more visas available for immigrating to Palestine than were taken up. Naturally, cultivated German Jews with specialised skills didn't fancy living on the desert's edge amongst Arabs who wanted them out.

    I imagine that many of the Jews who stayed in Germany had motives such as: (i) We can't leave without Grandma and she refuse to budge, and (ii) We've seen bullying like this before in history; it will all blow over, and (iii) I am an assimilated, Christian German so they obviously can't mean me.

    It's striking that many Jews who left after Hitler's assent to power returned to Germany when it was clear that pogroms hadn't started, only to flee again after Kristallnacht.

    One part of the great tragedy was where many of them fled to: the Low Countries, France, Czechoslovakia, and so on. They hadn't foreseen that he'd conquer all those countries and then exterminate the Jews who lived there.

    One problem with comments on WWII is that almost everything about it is seen entirely in hindsight.

    Agree.

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  127. @Thomm

    If Hitler didn’t actually want the Jews to leave Germany, he was spectacularly ineffectual. Something like half of Germany’s Jews did succeed in leaving before the war.
     
    I always wondered why only half left. If it was easy to leave for a multi-year window, why risk it at all? Were the ones who stayed the ones who owned too much land or had a business that they refused to abandon?

    The ones who stayed were ‘progressives’ who believed in assimilation. The realists and Zionists (not always the same people) got out as soon as they could.

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    Agree.

    One could say that the regime tried to eradicate very those who actually wanted to assimilate.

    Personally, I find that quite interesting.

    Feels as......eradicating competition or, just simple envy? Heavy dose of scapegoating too.
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  128. peterAUS says:
    @Curmudgeon
    Like you, I never questioned the official narrative. In fairness, any time the topic was raised, my parents, if near enough to hear, shut down the conversation quickly. In retrospect, it was obvious that they thought it was bullshit.
    My awakening came with the Zundel trials in Toronto. Despite an obviously hostile judge, Zundel's lawyer, the late Doug Christie, made fools out of author Raul Hilberg, pathological liar Rudolf Vrba (whose hearsay evidence was the basis for Nuremberg), and "survivor" Arnold Friedman, prisoner number B14515 and his coloured smoke from crematoria story. Zundel's own witnesses, which included "death camp survivors" Irving in the 2nd trial, and experts in their fields, demonstrated the physical impossibility of the gas chamber and crematoria narratives.
    The trial transcripts are available online. Although a tedious read it becomes comedy when the prosecution witnesses, in answers to Christie's questions, utterly destroy their own credibility.

    Yup.

    My awakening came with the Zundel trials in Toronto.

    Mine too, regarding the official truth and (some) governments reaction to challenging it.

    Still, does not change, IMHO, the core issue:
    An organized effort by an advanced European state, to eradicate an ethnic minority from within. All of them.
    Keywords “eradicate” and the most important, ALL.

    There was something there much deeper than just politics, anger against the group, war and such.
    Something…I don’t know….primordial…mythical……religious…..?

    I guess that deep “thing” combined with advanced European state made it, and still makes it, so……what…frightening for some, and interesting for some other.

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  129. Anon[436] • Disclaimer says:
    @jilles dykstra
    In 1938, it seems, the relationship between German jews and the Hitler regime had stabilised.
    Therefore, again, it seems, jewry provoked the Kristallnacht by murdering a German diplomat in Paris.
    René d’Argile, etc., Das Geheimnis um die Ursachen des Zweiten Weltkrieges, Wiesbaden 1958 ( Les Originals Secrêtes de la Guerre 1939 – 1945, Paris 1958).

    “jewry provoked Kristallnacht”. You are kidding aren’t you? You sound as you have joined a special closeted too-many-books section of the tinfoil hat brigade.

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    One deficit in Irving's "Hitler's War" is the almost complete absence of discussion of the role of zionism/zionists in extending World War I and in starting and manipulating World War II.

    One of Irving's two significant references to "zionists" occurs in a footnote, relative to Kristallnacht. The comment is not conclusive but suggestive:

    "Some writers now argue that the Nazis had fallen into a Zionist trap. The Haganah officials with whom Adolf Eichmann negotiated on his trip to Palestine in November 1937 had hinted that it would serve their interests if things were made hot for Germany's Jews, to accelerate Jewish emigration to Palestine. It deserves comment that Grynszpan, although a destitute youth, was able to reside in a hotel in 1938 and purchase a handgun for 250 francs, and that his defense counsel Moro Giafferi was the best that the money of the International League against Anti-Semitism (LICA) could buy; LICA's Paris office was around the corner from Grynszpan's hotel." fn, p. 142
     
    We know from Francis Nicosia's "Zionism and Antisemitism in Nazi Germany" that Haganah had created and dispatched to European cities, including in Germany, Mossad el-Aliyeh Bet, zionist agents whose task was to assist German Jews in leaving Germany, breaking the British blockade and settling in Palestine. Mossad el-Aliyeh functioned in full view, and often in cooperation with, Gestapo; Nicosia notes that one Mossad headquarters was across the street from a Gestapo office.
    It's not a stretch to conjecture that Mossad played some role in inciting the rioting that followed the provocation of Grynszpan's assassination of vom Roth.
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  130. utu says:
    @bjondo
    Did someone say Zuesse is Jew? Think he is.

    Did someone say Zuesse is Jew?

    You do not have to be a Jew to make Hitler or Christianity the object of your hate and obsession. His idée fixe is not very original. Many feeble minds and weak characters succumbed to it. Certainly the guy suffers from the delusion of grandeur. He aims high. In one self-published book he wants to finish off Jesus and in the second he finishes off Hitler on account that Hitler believed in that fake Jesus or something and that made him plan Holocaust so cleverly that nobody noticed that he did. Fortunately Zuesse came and discovered it all for everybody.

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  131. @Thomm
    Speaking of Hitler, Roosh wrote a famous article about how White Trashionalists are using that as a crutch :

    http://www.rooshv.com/are-there-differences-in-race

    "I strongly suspect that active participation in white nationalist circles is a cover for feelings of personal inferiority."

    He is way too generous. He says it is only 'feelings'. I say it is outright, self-evident inferiority of defective whites relative to mainstream whites like me.

    I say it is outright, self-evident inferiority of defective whites

    Well, I don’t think that anyone here will argue that you are a qualified expert on being inferior and defective to the point of self-evidence. You are an undeniable master of unhealthy obsessions. Each successive comment you post on this site serves only to further cement that truth.

    That said, Uncle Thomm, your blatant obsession with white ‘trashionalists’ is very heavy handed. Yet you don’t seem to see it. You just trudge on, accusing others of being defective and inferior, all while somehow remaining utterly blind to the irony of your own words. Never actually having anything relevant to say. But never forgetting to top your posts off with a reminder to everyone about how you are white yourself . You really seem to go out of your way to reinforce that part. More than any actual white person realistically ever would, in fact. Mostly because believing that stating your skin color will in turn add some otherwise missing degree of substance or validation to their claims is a notoriously… shall we say ‘negro’ thing to do in America.

    mainstream whites like me.

    Oh, you so fly, mainstream white! Tell us how it do!

    Even among the delinquent Left, terms like ‘white trashionalist’ remain largely American negro buzz words only. ‘AmeriKKKa’ is another such example.

    And to use a source like Roosh to validate your own petty racism! How comically par for the course. ACTUAL scientists and their professional study of the differences between the races is just so…. racist, after all! Bunch of white trashionalists in lab coats, am I right? So why not just rely on some equally credible secondary sources, like swarthy Arab pick up artists. 10/10 my friend. Sound logic for… for a negro searching desperately for anything to assuage his own inferiority complex in lieu of valid science. /sarc

    Which brings me to my point. Despite your constant posturing, I highly doubt that anyone here actually believes you are white. I mean, if it’s all just a mental hoop you have to jump through to psyche yourself up when you come here to talk your crap, then you do you. But I don’t think anyone else is buying it. You can say you don’t care, but you obviously do. The only thing you do as intensely as you throw around the term ‘white trashionalist’ around here is try to remind everyone else that you are white. I don’t think you realize how obvious you are being. Which is hard to believe.

    That, and your rhetoric in general stinks of envy and you project like a dime-a-dozen college Red Guard zealot reading his social justice essay from the designated white-free campus safe space where he spends his time petting puppies and practicing how to properly draw the swastikas he intends to scribble in feces somewhere on campus and blame on the ‘white trashionalists’ to get media attention.

    Odds are overwhelming that you are black, that you feel inferior about yourself and your own race, and that those feelings have manifested as envious hatred towards the whites you come here to vent at by lambasting them with your petty hatred for daring to have their own identity like everyone else on the planet is entitled to. And then pathetically attempting to hide your tracks behind a digital ‘white face’ mask in a cheap bid to add some non-existent legitimacy to your petulant criticisms, and in turn (hopefully) avoid your fragile ego suffering any return fire from the community here, whom it seems you know would readily and irrefutably eviscerate that fragile disposition of yours even worse than they still do now if you were to (proudly?) admit you were black while speaking your hateful mind here.

    Good times, Uncle Thomm.

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    That is a lot of words in which to say nothing.

    Remember that you are an example of the Dunning-Kruger effect. That is why you will never come to terms with the fact that you are not part of the functional white race, but rather a member of the defective subrace where genetic waste matter is quarantined off. The men of this race become WN wiggers like you, and the women become fat bluehaired feminists.

    Odds are overwhelming that you are black, that you feel inferior about yourself and your own race, and that those feelings have manifested as envious hatred towards the whites you come here to vent at
     
    Thanks for proving that you have the reading comprehension expected of a 70-IQ wigger such as yourself. I endlessly praise the other 80% of whites (my group), while aiming to make sure that the defective group (you) can't mooch off of us.

    White Trashionalism is just an appeal for intra-white socialism. You want to mooch off of successful whites like me because of your own total failure at all levels. Not a chance.

    Get off my lawn, faggot!
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  132. In fact, tribalism seems to be coming into vogue again throughout the world.

    when was it ever out of fashion? especially in the case of jews? the other races are simply waking up to this fact and are now arming themselves the same way. blacks in the usa were the first ones to catch on.

    when every race cheats like the jews, no more advantage. scary times ahead for jews.

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  133. I don’t now, but if this article is the best they can come up with, Irving wins.

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  134. @kikl
    "And yet even today, so-called “historians” say that Hitler didn’t have execution of the Jews in mind from the very start, and that Hitler was no Christian, and so forth."

    If Hitler had execution in mind in 1933 then why did he pursue a policy of making the jews emigrate? He couldn't kill the jews once they had emigrated!?

    For this reason, every reasonable historian rejects the idea that Hitler had already in mind to kill all of the jews in 1933.

    Why, then, did Hitler have pastors in all of the churches provide the new Government their archival baptismal records for everyone in their parish?

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    I don't understand your question. How does the baptismal record prove the will to exterminate?

    Hitler even made an agreement with zionist jews in order to transfer German Jews to palestine. It is called the transfer agreement or Haavara agreement. Take a look here:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement

    This proves that Hitler had no intention of killing all the jews in 1933.

    , @FKA Max
    My non-sinister guess would be to determine and to update who has to pay the German church tax and to which religious group/community they have to pay it to:

    The church tax was reaffirmed in Article 13 of the Reichskonkordat[4] between Nazi Germany and the Vatican, where it is understood that the right of the Church to levy taxes is guaranteed. Taxpayers, whether Roman Catholic, Protestant or members of other tax-collecting communities, pay an amount equal to between 8% (in Bavaria and Baden-Württemberg) and 9% (in the rest of the country) of their income tax to the church or other community to which they belong.[5]
     
    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_tax#Germany

    The Reichskonkordat ("Concordat between the Holy See and the German Reich"[1]) is a treaty negotiated between the Vatican and the emergent Nazi Germany. It was signed on 20 July 1933 by Cardinal Secretary of State Eugenio Pacelli, who later became Pope Pius XII, on behalf of Pope Pius XI and Vice Chancellor Franz von Papen on behalf of President Paul von Hindenburg and the German government. It was ratified September 10, 1933 and it has been in force from that date onward.
     
    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichskonkordat
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  135. i am a bit bemused by the constant debate on this subject. If germany austria, poland, belgium, and other eurpoean official state entities say there was a holocaust, I just am unclear why I shouldn’t believe them.

    even collective guilt wouldn’t be enough, in my view for them to accept the matter without some rebuttal. Whether Hitler was a diabolical evil or a misguided miscreant, doesn’t really matter, he along with others either designed, implemented or supported the events concerning offenses against noncombatants and hitler as chancellor would rightly be held accountable.

    Acknowledging such atrocities that justifies agreeing to every israeli demand on foreign policy or supporting outlawing “free speech” on issues related to the subject.

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    this " holocaust" was pushed by the usa after ww2. the reasons for the usa is geopolitics. the reasons for the jews is obvious.

    think those countries you listed were in any position to deny or fight "it"?

    after 7 decades of lying, think they can fight it now? kekeke :P

    but ppl who cares can easily find it, like most of the posters here on unz.
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  136. peterAUS says:
    @Eric Zuesse
    Ad-hominem attacks are the preferred method for someone who has no evidence. Besides, what you said is false in every regard, except that my book does document that Hitler had an extraordinarily good memory and in all his reliably transcribed and written statements he paraphrased from over a hundred lines from throughout the Bible, and he believed himself to be carrying out the intention of Jesus regarding the Jews. However, Hitler also was profoundly influenced by Genesis 3, and by Revelations. However, after the Pope in 1937 made clear to him that the Pope's moral authority was higher than was Hitler's, Hitler changed his mind and concluded that the problem with Jews wasn't necessarily that they had descended from the Snake in Genesis 3, but that their blood was infected with a bacterium, which must not be passed along (via intermarriage) to pure-blooded Christians.

    ..Hitler changed his mind and concluded that the problem with Jews wasn’t necessarily that they had descended from the Snake in Genesis 3, but that their blood was infected with a bacterium, which must not be passed along (via intermarriage) to pure-blooded Christians.

    Would you be so kind to point to some online source re above, please?

    You are, apparently, an expert in the matter.
    Question, then:
    How much of the “thing” was just Hitler (a person), how much his inner circle (say, Himmler, Goebbels, Goering, Hess) , how much top Nazi elite and, well, how much Nazis (the movement) in general?

    “Thing” being that peculiar attitude re Jews in general.

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    That "thing" might have been unique to Hitler; my investigation focused only on reading everything that was written by or reliably transcribed from Hitler; but Himmler etc., I read only incidentally to that task, of finding out how Hitler's thinking evolved over time, and what was in it, especially his private notes to himself, which was where he had no intention of persuading or deceiving anyone, because these were to himself, while he was struggling to understand what was happening to him. Also, immersing myself in him, and in the world about him and his interactions with it (the stuff from secondary sources), I was stunned to see that he really did know the Bible almost by heart. Even his Mein Kampf is loaded with paraphrases from it, and his private notes were "the Jews" versus "the Aryans" and he was trying to understand "original sin" which is in Genesis 3, where he interpreted the snake as being Satan and (in accord with passages such as John 8:44 and Matthew 23:33-38) concluded that "original sin" came from "the Jew" and could be overcome only by eliminating them all. Hitler repeatedly indicated that he must keep secret his understanding of the world, in order to be able to achieve what he wanted. So, there were things he didn't tell to anyone. My goal was to get into his world-view, to understand it. He was deeply affected by the Bible -- both the New and the Old Testaments. He was struggling to understand it, as he called it in only his private notes: "The Bible -- Monumental History of Mankind." He read Revelation 20:1-7 and was inspired by it to eliminate all Jews for the Thousand-Year Reich" to start.
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  137. kikl says:
    @Eric Zuesse
    Why, then, did Hitler have pastors in all of the churches provide the new Government their archival baptismal records for everyone in their parish?

    I don’t understand your question. How does the baptismal record prove the will to exterminate?

    Hitler even made an agreement with zionist jews in order to transfer German Jews to palestine. It is called the transfer agreement or Haavara agreement. Take a look here:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement

    This proves that Hitler had no intention of killing all the jews in 1933.

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    To exterminate whom? Which individuals, This plowing through church-archives was in 1933-34, long before the Nuremberg Laws, which required this information. Of course, nobody except Hitler himself knew then what use he would make of this information. He was very secretive, even to Himmler, Goebbels, Bormann, etc., everything on only a need-to-know basis, so that only he knew what was going to be happening next. He was an extremely gifted leader; he had that natural gift. He understood how to achieve what he wanted. HE WAS NO 'WEAK LEADER'.
    , @Eric Zuesse
    For example: Hitler in 1922 told a journalist Joseph Hell (I quote this on page 77, then discuss on pages 82-83 the context in which he said this in conversation, to impress the man, but not to publish it, just on background so that he could understand the Nazi Party), “Once I am in power, my first and foremost task will be the annihilation of the Jews. As soon as I have the power to do so, I will have gallows built in rows — as many as traffic allows. Then the Jews will be hanging indiscriminately, and they will remain hanging until they stink. ... As soon as they have been untied, the next batch will be strung up, and so on, ... until all Germany has been cleaned of Jews.” Little over a year later, Hitler wrote into Mein Kampf (1939, p. 946; 1943, p. 651) that the “elimination” of Jews must be “by the sword” and “bloody.”
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  138. Momus says:
    @Wally
    As for Zuess's laughably cited 'Eichmann Interrogated', READ ALL OF THIS:

    - even "holocaust historian" Browning said:
    "Clearly, anyone who wants to dismiss Eichmann’s testimonies on the grounds of their demonstrated unreliability and shameless self-serving lies can easily do so, and many of my colleagues have done precisely this."

    from: Eichmann Interrogated, transcripts from the Archives of the Israeli Police, edited by Jochen von Lang in collaboration with Claus Sibyll. Translated from the German by Ralph Manheim. Farrar, Straus, and Giroux, New York, 1983, 293pp:

    - Eichmann claims to have witnessed mass slaughter on a grand scale at Auschwitz in the fall of 1941, where the camp commandant, Rudolf Hoess, informed him that the great, factory-like buildings, the chimneys of which belch smoke, are "working to capacity: Ten thousand!"
    This is months before the Auschwitz typhus control crematoria were constructed, let alone in use.
    - Eichmann talks of Treblinka - but then he's not sure if it's Treblinka - where he says gassings were being carried out with a submarine engine (diesel); he claims at places near Minsk and Lemberg, mass shootings were taking place, including one mass grave from which he said:
    "blood was gushing out ... like a geyser"
    .
    IOW, he copied Wiesel who said the same absurd thing.

    - On Treblinka of 1941, Eichmann claimed gassings were carried out with the insecticide Zyklon-B. Treblinka, however, is supposed not to have been functioning as an extermination center until the summer of 1942, nor was Zyklon-B ever claimed to have been employed there.

    - Eichmann even offers substantiation for the six-million claim-he says he's worked out the numbers from reading ***Jewish almanacs***, he persistently rejects the accusation that he was the organizer of the "Final Solution" or the "flywheel of the extermination machine."

    - The 'holocaust' Industry's own Mark Roseman said: Both Rudolf Hoess's and Eichmann's testimonies lack credibility.

    - much more on Eichmann Interrogated:
    http://vho.org/GB/Journals/JHR/6/2/OKeefe237-240.html

    I dare anyone to bring up Eichmann's alleged 'diary'.
    www.codoh.com

    “Eichmann….flywheel of the extermination machine.”

    Benthic Wally… flywheel of the denier/liar machine.

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    Benthic Wally… flywheel of the denier/liar machine.

     

    You have been repeating this tiresome ad hominem attack on Wally ad nauseum, and yet you appear unable to refute any of his points or present credible data to do so. I think that gives him the victory in this debate, whether you accept that or not, and shows you in very poor light. I don't know if you are getting paid to do this, but if you are, you have not been a particularly good return on any investment your employer may have made.

    When you are deep in a hole, stop digging.

    , @Wally
    Here are real documents, real history for panicked Momus, everyone else read the entire post below and learn:

    http://www.fpp.co.uk/Himmler/Schlegelberger/Schlegelberger42.JPG
    "Mr Reich Minister Lammers informed me that the Führer had repeatedly declared to him that he wants to hear that the Solution of the Jewish Problem has been postponed until after the war is over. That being so, the current discussions are of purely theoretical value, in Mr Reich Minister Lammers' opinion. He will moreover take pains to ensure that, whatever else happens, no fundamental decisions are taken without his knowledge in consequence of a surprise briefing by any third party."

    Document's origins. Schlegelberger's undated minute on Lammer's reference to Hitler's ruling is in German Federal Archives (BA) file R.22/52. It was sent to Staatssekretär Freisler and two other officials (bottom left). This document has been published in facsimile in David Irving's books Hitler's War, Goebbels. Mastermind of the Third Reich, and Nuremberg, the Last Battle. It was definitely dated March or April 1942. Lammers was in Berlin on April 26, 1942. See Scheel's report on a talk between Lammers and Meissner after the final session that day (T175/139/7479 et seq.)
    in support of the Schlegelberger Document see the Luther Memorandum:
    http://www.codoh.com/library/document/154/

    Hitler, the 'Final Solution,' and the Luther Memorandum
    A Response to Evans and Longerich
    excerpt:
    "On the occasion of a reception by the Reich Foreign Minister on 26 November 1941 the Bulgarian Foreign Minister Popoff touched on the problem of according like treatment to the Jews of European nationalities and pointed out the difficulties that the Bulgarians had in the application of their Jewish laws to Jews of foreign nationality."

    "The Reich Foreign Minister answered that he thought this question brought by Mr. Popoff not uninteresting. Even now he could say one thing to him, that at the end of the war all Jews would have to leave Europe. This was the unalterable decision of the Fuehrer and also the only way to master this problem, as only a global and comprehensive solution could be applied and individual measures would not help very much."

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  139. peterAUS says:
    @Frank Hilliard
    The ones who stayed were 'progressives' who believed in assimilation. The realists and Zionists (not always the same people) got out as soon as they could.

    Agree.

    One could say that the regime tried to eradicate very those who actually wanted to assimilate.

    Personally, I find that quite interesting.

    Feels as……eradicating competition or, just simple envy? Heavy dose of scapegoating too.

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  140. The leap from here:

    Hitler commanded this first step in the year he came into power, 1933, and the Christian clergy executed it with pride.

    to Here:

    And yet even today, so-called “historians” say that Hitler didn’t have execution of the Jews in mind from the very start

    is without basis in fact or logic..

    a. re “Hitler, in only his private statements, had defined “Aryan,” as pureblooded Christian.
    So we should disregard all the business about “blonde hair and blue eyes = Aryan” as propagandistic nonsense, and “Aryan supremacy” as nonsense, since “Hitler. . . had defined “Aryan,” as pureblooded Christian?”

    b. You go to the historian-like trouble of providing a documentary reference for Hitler’s definition of Aryan, but where is the documentation for the conclusion that “Hitler had execution of Jews in mind from the very start?”
    Does the U S Constitutional requirement that a person who seeks to become president of the United States prove, through birth records, for example, that he is indeed an American citizen warrant the conclusion that the U S Constitution, by seeking to eliminate non-Americans, “has in mind the execution of non-Americans from the very start?”
    No, of course not; that is ludicrous.

    c. Moreover, your critique, and most of the comments, and indeed Irving’s “Hitler’s War” all fail to record or fully consider for its implications, in general, the dominant role of zionism in the European wars of the 20th century; and specifically, Louis Brandeis’s directive to Rabbi Stephen Wise of ~Feb. 14, 1933, that “all Jews must leave Germany . . . all 587,000 German Jews must leave . . . no Jew should remain . . .”

    Mulegino’s comment @ #67 chronicles the holocaust narrative from a starting point in 1939:

    Once the alleged event is defined in factual terms, it is falsifiable. The core of the false narrative is this:
    During the period of 1939-1945, National Socialist Germany- . . .

    But Brandeis issued his directive, which Rabbi Wise, his son, James Waterman Wise published Swastika in May, 1933; Samuel Untermeyer (radio broadcast, Aug. 1933) and indeed “International Jewry” in collaboration [ Judea Declares War on Germany, . . . Jews of all the world unite . . . Mar. 23, 1933, hastened to execute: in speeches, publications, protest rallies, a Declaration of Economic War on Germany intended to destroy German exports upon which Germany's economy depended (i.e. the economic war was intended to be and was in fact an existential threat to the German people), all heaping on vilification of Hitler and the NSDAP with the goal of provoking such instability in Germany, and animus against Jews in Germany, that German Jews would leave their German homes and flee to Palestine, where their wealth was sorely needed; or to USA, whence zionism had removed its center of power.

    The two crucially important bits of information from the above are:
    First, Louis Brandeis, head of zionists world-wide, directed that Jews must leave Germany; and second, that directive and the provocative acts intended to implement the movement of Jews from Germany were issued and carried out beginning early in 1933, well before the alleged inception of a holocaust of Jews in 1939-1945.

    Escobar, @ #85, mentioned holocaust historian and Holodomor-denier Timothy Snyder. In a

    Snyder made this stunning observation:

    In history you can’t really say something happened in 1933 because something was going to happen in 1945. You can only explain things that happened in 1933 by events up to and including 1933. It’s very tempting to apply later events . . . but we can only understand historical events in terms of the causes that bring them about. [@ 20 min ]

    There was no holocaust in 1933.
    A holocaust of Jews could not have been the motive for Brandeis’s directive that Jews leave Germany, nor for the numerous provocations zionist Jewish leaders deployed to vilify and provoke the German government.
    (Jeffrey Herf has conceded that the opposite was the case: that Germany was justified in “persecuting” Jews, i.e. between 1933 and 1939, in retaliation for zionist-Jewish provocations. https://www.c-span.org/video/?192852-1/the-jewish-enemy-nazi-propaganda )

    If, as you claim, Eric Zuesse, by “the winter of ’33″ Hitler had instructed church leaders to sort out “Aryans,” who were by Hitler’s definition “Christians,” there is far more hard evidence to warrant that NSDAP was acting in cooperation and collaboration with zionist directives than there is to support an exercise in mind-reading that that activity indicated that Hitler . . . didn’t have [had] execution of the Jews in mind from the very start, or if he did, his mind was in complete synchrony with those of the leaders of zionism and International Jewry.

    Hitler did NOT start the war, zionist Jews started the war, for zionist purposes.

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  141. Robjil says:
    @Eric Zuesse
    Where that quotation appears in the text, a footnote is appended to it, and one sees the footnote on page 895 of the latest edition, and all that it says to dismiss the quotation is what I have quoted in this article.

    However, having read the reader-comments up to this point (comment #46), I notice that none even so much as mentions the key quotation that I present in this article, which is "in his Secret Conversations (Table Talk) of 21 October 1941, Hitler concluded his long tirade against Jews: 'By exterminating this pest, we shall do humanity a service ...'," which should settle the matter as to whether Hitler was proud of his "extermination" of Jews, which people he held to be a "pest," and which "infection" in his other writings he called a "bacterium," just as did Himmler. So, all these reader-comments evade that admission by Hitler. Furthermore, all till now have been evading: "The Führer’s words right before his suicide — his final, supreme, statement of his war-aims — urged his people to continue the war, until victory, against what he held to be the sole real enemy: 'the poisoner of all nations, international Jewry.”" I frankly don't understand how anyone, after seeing those two statements from Hitler himself, at and near his end, can leave any reasonable doubt as to whether David Irving is a liar. My book explains why Hitler sought the extermination of Jews: he really did believe that intermarriage of them with non-Jews caused the spreading of a blood-infection. Hitler attributed every bad trait that he held to be universal among all Jews, to being the result of that "infection." He first got his idea for the extermination plan, in September 1919, which was when he entered politics in order to become enabled to effectuate his intention.

    Amalek is a horrible concept popular with Old testament fanatics in Israel and with Israel firsters. Dehorah Lipstadt called Irving Amalek. After the return from Exodus, the Amalek tribe attacked the Israelites. Old testament fanatics still keep the concept of Amalek alive today. It allows Israelis to massacre of women and children in Palestine without guilt. Here Michael Hoffmann talks about Amalek and Deborah Lipstadt’s calling Irving Amalek.

    Here is Chabad’s viewpoint of Amalek:

    https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/3942715/jewish/Who-Was-Amalek-and-the-Amalekites.htm

    o Wipe Out Amalek

    The mitzvah to destroy Amalek implies that no trace of Amalek’s existence could be left.10 “Nothing,” explain the sages, “could serve as a reminder of Amalek’s name—not even an animal about which it could be said, ‘This animal belonged to Amalek.’”11

    The first Jewish king, Saul, was commanded by the prophet Samuel to finally wipe out Amalek. Saul was victorious against the Amalekites, but spared the choicest of their flocks and the Amalekite king, Agag.

    When Samuel found out about Saul’s disobedience, Saul lost his right to kingship. Samuel then killed Agag himself.12

    However, before he was killed, Agag sired a child who would keep Amalek’s lineage alive. Some 500 years later, one of this child’s descendants was Haman the Agagite, of Purim fame.13

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  142. @hyperbola
    Zuesse has made a name for himself elsewhere as a "defender" of zionist crimes against Palestinians. He is about as reliable on this topic as Netanyahu himself, who told us that the Hitler is not guilty for the Holocaust.


    Netanyahu Exonerates Hitler of Responsibility for the Holocaust
    https://azvsas.blogspot.com/2015/10/netanyahu-exonerates-hitler-of.html

    At the World Zionist Organisation Congress on 20th October, Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu made what, even by his standards was an outrageous claim. Hitler was initially only in favour of expelling Jews from Europe (what was known as the Madgascar Plan) and that it was the Mufti who persuaded him of the merits of exterminating them.....

    What “hyperbola” says in #115 is a lie, and that’s not only because this very article (in its concluding paragraph, no less) condemns Daniel Goldhagen’s zionism, but because of the several articles that I have written about Israel, all of which are hostile toward it, as is explained, for example, in my “Why Does U.S. Gov’t. Donate $38B to an Enemy Nation?” (at http://washingtonsblog.com/2016/09/u-s-govt-donate-38b-enemy-nation.html and elsewhere), and in the many articles I’ve published about the Saud-Israel alliance, all explaining how tied-together both aristocracies are in controlling U.S. foreign policies. Though I am not anti-Jews (such as many of the readers here seem to be — and quite strongly!), I am very anti-Israel. And as to the accusations that are being made here that I am anti-Christian, I am no more anti-Christian than I am anti-Jew, though the readers who are commenting here seem to be extremely pro-Christian and extremely anti-Jew. All such tribalisms are equally, and extremely, destructive.

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    Zuesse, you are trying nothing that hasn't been tried before, many, many times.

    Jews have been pushing the '6,000,000' lie since at least 1823:
    https://imgur.com/a/0LFFF
    and:
    http://balder.org/judea/New-York-Times-Six-Million-Jews-Since-1869.php
    http://balder.org/judea/billeder-judea/Scan-New-York-Times-Six-Million-Since-1869-Composite.jpg

    Revisionists are just the messengers, the absurd impossibility of the laughable 'holocaust' is the message.
    "Truth is hate to those who hate the truth."
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  143. @Eric Zuesse
    This is how Hitler defined "Jew"; and here is how he started in 1933 to carry out his plan, based upon CHURCH membership archives:

    Eberhard Bethge, who had been a liberal Protestant cleric during the Third Reich, was interviewed in the last chapter of Augustin Hedberg's 1992 FAITH UNDER FIRE and was asked what those years had been like. Bethge commented, "'Bad blood' was the great term. You had to have Aryan blood." Hitler, in only his private statements, had defined "Aryan," as pureblooded Christian. Bethge's interviewer inquired, "So we know this Jewish poison [Jewish blood] had to be cleansed. How did they propose to do that?" Bethge replied, tellingly: "For instance, everybody in an office, in a village, in a city, in a province, in Berlin, had to prove that he had [only] Aryan ancestors. How could he do that? He could do it only if he wrote to church officers in the villages or in the cities and asked them to look in the old books of the church in which baptisms were recorded. So many pastors and church secretaries had to work for hours and hours, weeks and months to answer all these requests. 'Please give me an excerpt out of the church files that proves my ancestors had been Christians.' The church officers and the ministers, they didn't care. They did that. They said, 'How important we are now.' I was an assistant curator in the winter of '33. I had to sit all morning and look through the books and answer these letters." It was therefore the Christian clergy themselves--people indoctrinated with John 8:44, and Matthew 27:25, and Matthew 23:31-36, and Luke 19:27, etc.--who were the proud implementers of the indispensable first step in the Nazis' 12-year-long "racist" war against the Jews, by supplying the crucial raw data for segregating-out Jews. Bethge was even honest enough to admit, "We were anti-Semitic, and we thought this was Christian." The essential first step in the "final solution" was this identification of who was NOT an "Aryan," who WAS "a Jew." Hitler commanded this first step in the year he came into power, 1933, and the Christian clergy executed it with pride. And yet even today, so-called "historians" say that Hitler didn't have execution of the Jews in mind from the very start, and that Hitler was no Christian, and so forth. “Historians” have not been doing their job, for the truth. That's why the general public cannot separate propaganda from history--the latter is just an extension of the former. Compare this account of the origin off how the Nazis managed to identify who was "a Jew" and who was not, that was given in a traditional history book on that topic, Edwin Black's 2001 IBM AND THE HOLOCAUST. Christianity’s role is ignored.

    Anecdotal evidence aside, I guess I am just missing the part about how you go from searching for and identifying Jewish blood to, without any evidence at all, and with plenty of evidence to the contrary, the foregone conclusion that cleansing and genocide were the (only) goal from the very start. As opposed to removal and relocation.

    “‘Bad blood’ was the great term. You had to have Aryan blood.” Hitler, in only his private statements, had defined “Aryan,” as pureblooded Christian. Bethge’s interviewer inquired, “So we know this Jewish poison [Jewish blood] had to be cleansed. How did they propose to do that?

    Well? I see no evidence. Just the heavy insinuations that people without evidence often try to pass off as a valid substitute. It’s not. There’s no small supply of anecdotal evidence against the genocide narrative, from Jews, as well. Just take a glimpse at all the interviews Spielberg nixed from his Holohoax documentary for not being in line with his false narrative, despite coming from actual Jews in the camps.

    And yet even today, so-called “historians” say that Hitler didn’t have execution of the Jews in mind from the very star

    What do you mean “and yet” or “so-called” . You mean: “And yet, despite the empty insinuations and insistence that absence of proof is not proof of absence, some so-called “historians” are still doing their actual job and not revising history based on baseless insinuations or otherwise unsubstantiated and, in many cases, even outright refutable claims?

    Pointing out what everyone knows, that he was looking for Jews, and then connecting that to slaughtering them all with intent, using nothing more than insinuation and anecdotally reinforced assurances.. is NOT sound reasoning.

    Christianity’s role is ignored.

    Maybe Christianity did play a bigger role. It’s still the role it was supposed to play, is it not? Protecting civilization from destructive influences. There are some reasonably sound arguments out there that suggest Christianity was created specifically as a weapon against Jews and their religion of subversion and supremacy.

    In either event, the involvement of Christianity in the affairs of Germany in the WWII period here is no different than Christianity’s involvement in the Crusades. Just another example of Christianity stepping up and serving it’s purpose as a shield, as a bulwark (albeit with mixed success). Be it against the flailing sword of Islam, or the cloaked dagger of Judaism.

    If anything, it’s a shame that dagger’s poison has been so effective at corroding the West’s bulwark ever since WWII.

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    It is inevitable that Christianity should play a role in the jew's conceptualization of his race's imaginary crucifixion upon the German's sword. This is a matter of simple projection: the jew's very identity is the rejection of Christ, the rejection of Logos. Not race, not religion, not culture or anything else.
    Their slander against the Germans is not personal, unlike the hatred for Christian Russia-Germany was merely chosen as a sacrifice necessary to bring about the myth of the birthing of the jewish messiah, i.e. the jewish people, via the holocaust.
    Zuesse is at least honest in his lies. He goes straight to the heart of the matter and lays out the choice for everyone to make:
    Either the evil Christ of the Christians, with their foot soldier Hitler, or the brilliant messianic jewish people with their supreme wisdom and everlasting goodness in bringing about a world of gayness, usury, communism and transgenderism, i.e a world that is healed, tikkun Olam.

    And he is right. That is the choice.
    Except that we know Christ is the true messiah and that the jewish alternative is the antichrist and death.

    Pray for him.
    , @Cloak And Dagger

    or the cloaked dagger of Judaism
     
    I am glad you didn't say "the cloak and dagger of judaism"!
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  144. escobar says:

    Just a couple of additional suggestions for reading:

    1. “The German Army and Genocide: Crimes against War Prisoners, Jews and Other Civilians in the East, 1939-1944,” 1999, by the Hamburg Institute for Social Research, Transl. from the German

    2. Books by Christopher Browning, especially “Ordinary Men”

    3. Books by Timothy Snyder. especially “Bloodlands,” chronicling the killing of 14 million civilians in the East by Stalin and Hitler

    Full of sources and interviews and photographs…Snyder learned the languages of the area (Ukraine etc) and interviewed extensively in the area.

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  145. j2 says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty
    This is a reasonable comment, and your numbers are not out of line with the only real demographic study of the issue I’m aware of (Sanning); this is a very challenging problem requiring all kinds of assumptions.

    Needless to say, that many Jews died from various German actions (mass shootings in the course of anti-partisan activity or deportations) in no way supports the claims of an extermination program, nor does it make credible the absurd eyewitness accounts of places like Treblinka.

    In Sannings numbers very many Jews immigrated from Poland. I think they immigrated from East Poland or further east from Poland, like from the Soviet Union. There was 100,00 yearly immigration through Poland to France and from there forward, and in my opinion 1 million ended up in the USA. Many stayed in France and the high French Jewish population in 1939 was largely immigrants from the east.

    Why I think Sanning maybe overestimates the immigration from Poland is that I count that what is left to Auschwitz when I subtract known losses and concentration camp survivors is 400,000. Then there were 100,000 Polish Jews, who came to DP camps after 1946, so remains to explain 300,000. Probably 60,000 died in Auschwitz, 50,000 Jews died in the attack and following terror by Germans (or were taken to camps, Poles count that 500,0oo Poles died, 50,000 is 10% like the Jews were), This leaves 190,000. I cannot reduce the population of West Poland more than 190,000 (i.e., whole Poland more than 350,000) thus I cannot reduce the population of Poland in 1939 much below 3 million. But I can easily accept that the areas east of Poland had lost quite many Jews. I think Sanning is essentially correct, there was large immigration before 1939, only not so many from Western Poland.

    I used the Jewish figures for the Jewish populations and the official German+Polish figures for deaths in other than extermination camps, as they are quite sufficient for showing that 1-1.5M deaths in Auschwitz is impossible (and these numbers seem OK to me).

    For Treblinka, Sobibor, Belcez I estimate that each had about 50,000 deaths as there are mass graves and the size and number of the graves suggest the figure 50,000, not 500,000. Thus, 1.3M passed these camps to the east and what happened to them is anybody’s guess. At least some 270,00 survived according to a calculation of how many came to the DP camps from the east after 1946.

    But of course, I do not deny the Holocaust and 6M. Miracles happen still today.

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  146. In 1939, there were 9.5 million Jews in Europe; in 1945 there were 3.8 million. 5.7 million Jews vanished. Where did they go?

    So unless I can answer that, the answer is ‘death factories’?

    It’s like the creationists: if you can’t explain the Big Bang, the Bible must be true.

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  147. @Anon
    "jewry provoked Kristallnacht". You are kidding aren't you? You sound as you have joined a special closeted too-many-books section of the tinfoil hat brigade.

    One deficit in Irving’s “Hitler’s War” is the almost complete absence of discussion of the role of zionism/zionists in extending World War I and in starting and manipulating World War II.

    One of Irving’s two significant references to “zionists” occurs in a footnote, relative to Kristallnacht. The comment is not conclusive but suggestive:

    “Some writers now argue that the Nazis had fallen into a Zionist trap. The Haganah officials with whom Adolf Eichmann negotiated on his trip to Palestine in November 1937 had hinted that it would serve their interests if things were made hot for Germany’s Jews, to accelerate Jewish emigration to Palestine. It deserves comment that Grynszpan, although a destitute youth, was able to reside in a hotel in 1938 and purchase a handgun for 250 francs, and that his defense counsel Moro Giafferi was the best that the money of the International League against Anti-Semitism (LICA) could buy; LICA’s Paris office was around the corner from Grynszpan’s hotel.” fn, p. 142

    We know from Francis Nicosia’s “Zionism and Antisemitism in Nazi Germany” that Haganah had created and dispatched to European cities, including in Germany, Mossad el-Aliyeh Bet, zionist agents whose task was to assist German Jews in leaving Germany, breaking the British blockade and settling in Palestine. Mossad el-Aliyeh functioned in full view, and often in cooperation with, Gestapo; Nicosia notes that one Mossad headquarters was across the street from a Gestapo office.
    It’s not a stretch to conjecture that Mossad played some role in inciting the rioting that followed the provocation of Grynszpan’s assassination of vom Roth.

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    A curious case of Grynszpan. After occupation of France in 1940 Grynszpan ends up in German custody where he is kept. Germans do not take advantage of it. Soviets would have staged a show trial and gained PR. Apparently Germans did not have talents for it. They even acquitted several suspects in Reichstag Fire trial. This would have never happened in the USSR or the post 9/11 America.

    It was believed that eventually he was executed but it seems that Grynszpan survived the WWII while in NAZi custody.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/18/herschel-grynszpan-photo-mystery-jewish-assassin-kristallnacht-pogrom

    NB: The story of Grynszpan resurfaced in media relatively recently when Russian ambassador was murdered in Turkey insinuating that killing Russian ambassadors was kind of OK like killing the NAZI diplomat by Grynszpan.
    , @Anon
    No one can deny the ruthlessness of some Zionists but apart from the fact that the British at the time were not allowing significant immigration to Palestine I wonder how you think the tiny "Mossad" of the 30s would have got the Nazi thugs to perpetrate Kristallnacht.
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  148. j2 says:
    @j2
    Colin Wright writes:
    “It happened. In 1939, there were 9.5 million Jews in Europe; in 1945 there were 3.8 million. 5.7 million Jews vanished. Where did they go? There are lots of interesting arguments and discussions to have about World War Two, Nazism, Hitler, etc, etc. However, whether or not the Holocaust in fact happened is not one of them. You might as well question the existence of Australia.”

    Ok, I looked at thisa long time ago. First you have to subtract the German and Austrian Jews who escaped Germany and Austria. It does not matter if they escaped to South America, as is usually stated, or if they went to France, Netherlands and Belgium, because it is known that Nazis captured from Western Europe about 1.82 million Jews and the rest stayed. You have Jews, who could have died in Western Poland 1.82+1.5 million +0.06. This is, there were c. 3.25M Jews in Poland, 1.8m in the West and the rest in the East, but in 1941 some escaped to the East. This 0.06M is the new transports from East to West in Poland. Then you calculate how many were in the Western Poland, subtract those that you know and end up to the upper bound 400,000 Jews could have died in Auschwitz, but this is only an upper bound. The upper bound ignores 100,000 Polish Jews, who came after 1946 to DP camps, maybe 200,000 who died in death marches, and 3.25M Jews in Poland in 1939 is only an estimate, it could be 3M, or even less. Many moved to France. They had a real problem of Polish Jews.

    You say 9,5M Jews in 1939. Subtract the emigrated German and Austrian Jews, it goes to 8.9M. You say 3,8M in 1945. Add the Jews who came to the DP camps after 1946, you will see that the number of missing Jews is 4.5M. Then question the figure the Soviet Union gave for 1939 and check the US Jewish population growth from 1900 to 1950. You see that 1 million additional Jews moved to the USA before 1939 that are not in the immigration figures. So, the figure from the SU for 1939 was 1M too high (it was announced as 2.8M for the SU in 1941 before taking Eastern Poland, must have been 1.8M).

    Hope this helps, I did calculate these things for a long time and carefully. I have all my calculations on my web site, if you care to see.

    “because it is known that Nazis captured from Western Europe about 1.82 million Jews and the rest stayed.” Sorry again, the figure is not 1.82M, it is 1.2M. So, 1.2M+1.8M+0.06M=3.06M is the number of Jews that might have been transported to Auschwitz. Subtract who dies elsewhere or did not die gives the upper bound for Auschwitz deaths.

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  149. @peterAUS

    ..Hitler changed his mind and concluded that the problem with Jews wasn’t necessarily that they had descended from the Snake in Genesis 3, but that their blood was infected with a bacterium, which must not be passed along (via intermarriage) to pure-blooded Christians.
     
    Would you be so kind to point to some online source re above, please?

    You are, apparently, an expert in the matter.
    Question, then:
    How much of the "thing" was just Hitler (a person), how much his inner circle (say, Himmler, Goebbels, Goering, Hess) , how much top Nazi elite and, well, how much Nazis (the movement) in general?

    "Thing" being that peculiar attitude re Jews in general.

    That “thing” might have been unique to Hitler; my investigation focused only on reading everything that was written by or reliably transcribed from Hitler; but Himmler etc., I read only incidentally to that task, of finding out how Hitler’s thinking evolved over time, and what was in it, especially his private notes to himself, which was where he had no intention of persuading or deceiving anyone, because these were to himself, while he was struggling to understand what was happening to him. Also, immersing myself in him, and in the world about him and his interactions with it (the stuff from secondary sources), I was stunned to see that he really did know the Bible almost by heart. Even his Mein Kampf is loaded with paraphrases from it, and his private notes were “the Jews” versus “the Aryans” and he was trying to understand “original sin” which is in Genesis 3, where he interpreted the snake as being Satan and (in accord with passages such as John 8:44 and Matthew 23:33-38) concluded that “original sin” came from “the Jew” and could be overcome only by eliminating them all. Hitler repeatedly indicated that he must keep secret his understanding of the world, in order to be able to achieve what he wanted. So, there were things he didn’t tell to anyone. My goal was to get into his world-view, to understand it. He was deeply affected by the Bible — both the New and the Old Testaments. He was struggling to understand it, as he called it in only his private notes: “The Bible — Monumental History of Mankind.” He read Revelation 20:1-7 and was inspired by it to eliminate all Jews for the Thousand-Year Reich” to start.

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    Did you read
    Otto Wagener, ‘Hitler aus nächster Nähe, Aufzeichnungen eines Vertrauten 1929-1932, Hrsg. Henry A. Turner’, 1987, Kiel, ISBN 3-88741-129-3 ?
    In my opinion the best book on what Hitler thought
    , @j2
    Eric Zuesse writes:
    "my investigation focused only on reading everything that was written by or reliably transcribed from Hitler; ... I was stunned to see that he really did know the Bible almost by heart. ... He was deeply affected by the Bible — both the New and the Old Testaments. He was struggling to understand it, as he called it in only his private notes: “The Bible — Monumental History of Mankind.” He read Revelation 20:1-7 and was inspired by it to eliminate all Jews for the Thousand-Year Reich” to start."

    I think you made an important historical discovery as this fits very well to the general scheme.

    Thus, Hitler first understood Jews as the snake which will be destroyed, but after discussing with the Pope he changed his mind. The Pope could only explain the Catholic, Protestant and Jewish understanding of the events before the end of the times. In all there is the great persecution and in many there is the return of the Jews to Palestine: even if your people are as many as sand on the beach, only a handful will remain, but this reminder will return, cleansed by fire. If Hitler knew the Bible almost by heart, he certainly knew the prophesies of Isaiah and Zechariah.

    Because it is what he did. He organized the persecution and 1/3 died. The reminder was small but they survived and established Israel. This is not a full genocide, as the goal of a genocide is the extinction of the people. This is near extinction, cleansing. Hitler made the Haavara agreement. He forcibly moved Jews to camps and did not settle them. He had underlined a sentence from another anti-Semitic Zionist (de Lagarde) that Jews must be restored to Palestine. Because of Mufti he could not do it during the war, but the Bible does not say anything of Madagascar or physical extermination of all Jews at the end of the times.

    The work of Jesus can only be accomplished at the end of the times. People, who want to fill some task coming from reading the Bible, are as a rule Messianic and think they are living at the end of the times. There are only two interpretations to the great persecution: that it is against Christians or that it is against Jews. In WWII the persecution was against Jews, thus a small reminder of Jews was to return to Palestine. This refutes your claim of physical extermination so that no one would remain. The facts also refute physical extermination of all Jews as the goal: camp inmates were given a choice to wait for Soviets or to go with Germans. Had Hitler meant to exterminate all, these inmates had all been killed. The stem of David had to stay.

    The reason why this natural explanation is not generally accepted is, I think, that it implicates Zionists as co-planners of the persecution and also points out to the later disguises of secret societies that had their hand in Enlightenment and the New World. It is better to have only Hitler to blame.
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  150. @kikl
    I don't understand your question. How does the baptismal record prove the will to exterminate?

    Hitler even made an agreement with zionist jews in order to transfer German Jews to palestine. It is called the transfer agreement or Haavara agreement. Take a look here:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement

    This proves that Hitler had no intention of killing all the jews in 1933.

    To exterminate whom? Which individuals, This plowing through church-archives was in 1933-34, long before the Nuremberg Laws, which required this information. Of course, nobody except Hitler himself knew then what use he would make of this information. He was very secretive, even to Himmler, Goebbels, Bormann, etc., everything on only a need-to-know basis, so that only he knew what was going to be happening next. He was an extremely gifted leader; he had that natural gift. He understood how to achieve what he wanted. HE WAS NO ‘WEAK LEADER’.

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    This plowing through church-archives was in 1933-34, long before the Nuremberg Laws, which required this information.
     
    Yes, before Nuremberg laws, but AFTER Louis Brandeis's directive that "all Jews must leave Germany . . . all 587,000 German Jews . . ."

    Rabbi Stephen Wise records that conversation w/ Brandeis in his autobiography, The Challenging Years; he notes that it took place "within a fortnight of the Fuhrer's ascent to chancellorship" that is, by Feb. 14, 1933. It is significant that he stated a specific number of German Jews, since tens of thousands of Polish and Russian Jews had taken refuge in Germany to escape from turmoil in those places. Grynszpan and his family were just such Polish Jewish would-be refuge-seekers.

    German ambassador to USA Hans Luther explained that in addition to the over-representation of Jews in administrative posts, it was those alien, or non-German Jews that were especially troublesome in Germany in the Weimar years:


    [Luther] asserted that limitation of Jewish influence in Germany was being conducted with the greatest possible consideration toward the old native Jewish families who, he said; had proven themselves good Germans and indicated that it was directed against the Eastern European Jews who had overflooded the country since the War.
     
    https://www.jta.org/1933/05/26/archive/nazi-jewish-policies-political-not-religious-dr-luther-asserts
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  151. nickels says:
    @RealAmericanValuesCirca1776Not1965
    Anecdotal evidence aside, I guess I am just missing the part about how you go from searching for and identifying Jewish blood to, without any evidence at all, and with plenty of evidence to the contrary, the foregone conclusion that cleansing and genocide were the (only) goal from the very start. As opposed to removal and relocation.

    “‘Bad blood’ was the great term. You had to have Aryan blood.” Hitler, in only his private statements, had defined “Aryan,” as pureblooded Christian. Bethge’s interviewer inquired, “So we know this Jewish poison [Jewish blood] had to be cleansed. How did they propose to do that?
     
    Well? I see no evidence. Just the heavy insinuations that people without evidence often try to pass off as a valid substitute. It's not. There's no small supply of anecdotal evidence against the genocide narrative, from Jews, as well. Just take a glimpse at all the interviews Spielberg nixed from his Holohoax documentary for not being in line with his false narrative, despite coming from actual Jews in the camps.

    And yet even today, so-called “historians” say that Hitler didn’t have execution of the Jews in mind from the very star
     
    What do you mean "and yet" or "so-called" . You mean: "And yet, despite the empty insinuations and insistence that absence of proof is not proof of absence, some so-called "historians" are still doing their actual job and not revising history based on baseless insinuations or otherwise unsubstantiated and, in many cases, even outright refutable claims?

    Pointing out what everyone knows, that he was looking for Jews, and then connecting that to slaughtering them all with intent, using nothing more than insinuation and anecdotally reinforced assurances.. is NOT sound reasoning.

    Christianity’s role is ignored.
     
    Maybe Christianity did play a bigger role. It's still the role it was supposed to play, is it not? Protecting civilization from destructive influences. There are some reasonably sound arguments out there that suggest Christianity was created specifically as a weapon against Jews and their religion of subversion and supremacy.

    In either event, the involvement of Christianity in the affairs of Germany in the WWII period here is no different than Christianity's involvement in the Crusades. Just another example of Christianity stepping up and serving it's purpose as a shield, as a bulwark (albeit with mixed success). Be it against the flailing sword of Islam, or the cloaked dagger of Judaism.

    If anything, it's a shame that dagger's poison has been so effective at corroding the West's bulwark ever since WWII.

    It is inevitable that Christianity should play a role in the jew’s conceptualization of his race’s imaginary crucifixion upon the German’s sword. This is a matter of simple projection: the jew’s very identity is the rejection of Christ, the rejection of Logos. Not race, not religion, not culture or anything else.
    Their slander against the Germans is not personal, unlike the hatred for Christian Russia-Germany was merely chosen as a sacrifice necessary to bring about the myth of the birthing of the jewish messiah, i.e. the jewish people, via the holocaust.
    Zuesse is at least honest in his lies. He goes straight to the heart of the matter and lays out the choice for everyone to make:
    Either the evil Christ of the Christians, with their foot soldier Hitler, or the brilliant messianic jewish people with their supreme wisdom and everlasting goodness in bringing about a world of gayness, usury, communism and transgenderism, i.e a world that is healed, tikkun Olam.

    And he is right. That is the choice.
    Except that we know Christ is the true messiah and that the jewish alternative is the antichrist and death.

    Pray for him.

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  152. @ThereisaGod
    Two things:
    1) Quoting what Eichmann said about Hitler while in Israeli custody as "evidence" against Hitler is simply comical.
    2) The only thing that makes 'The Holocaust' a SPECIAL AND UNIQUE genocide (as opposed to the 'usual kind ... revenge via mass murder) is the alleged use of "human gas chambers" for the mass extermination of Jews. It is easy to prove that this defining feature of the horror story is a total lie, certainly in the context of that manufactured Disneyland of ultimate nightmare fantasies, Auschwitz Concentration Camp.

    a) The chemical evidence re concentration of ferrocyanide in the walls demonstrates that the only gas chambers in Auschwitz were small and used for killing the lice that spread Typhus through the camp, i.e. to keep inmates healthy.
    b) The Director of Auschwitz admitted on camera that the 'human gas chamber' was constructed in 1946.
    c) Coke delivery records can be used to estimate the number of corpses cremated and there is no contradiction between this figure and the official records of deceased in the camp, mostly from typhus. (Read Carlo Mottagno on Auschwitz coke deliveries)
    d) Bodies killed by cyanide poisoning are bright red/pink because of burst capillaries near the skin surface. NOT A SINGLE EYE WITNESS, inmate or guard reported seeing such corpses either near the alleged gas chamber, nor in transit to the crematoria, nor in the crematoria by those alleged to have dumped the hundreds of thousands of victims there for burning.

    How staggering is that? This apophatic evidence (evidence by absence) is, perhaps, the strongest proof that this centrepiece of the Holocaust nightmare fantasy never happened.

    Yes, Jews were massacred in large numbers in the East. There were doubtless other unspeakable horrors committed against innocent Jews during WW2. However, there were equal obscenities committed against many other parties and these horrors are overshadowed by even greater crimes against Soviet citizens by their Jewish-dominated government, pre WWII. Indeed many killings in the East were acts of revenge on lands "liberated" by Germany in previously Soviet-occupied countries.

    Here is the issue.
    Question:Why do we allow the Jewish leadership to turn "their" collective suffering into a world religion (which it now is .. with any heresy or blasphemy against the sacred doctrine punished by career termination or even imprisonment) on the basis of the biggest lie in human history?

    Answer: Because their suffering (i.e. the suffering of the Satanic leadership that Christ condemned, who hold The Jewish people in mental enslavement as human shields) is totally fictional. These people WON World War Two.

    Question:Why do we allow the Jewish leadership to turn “their” collective suffering into a world religion (which it now is .. with any heresy or blasphemy against the sacred doctrine punished by career termination or even imprisonment) on the basis of the biggest lie in human history?

    Interesting question indeed.

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  153. Paul C. says:
    @Anonymous
    I'm sorry that you only took part of the defective batch of red pills when and because, irrelevantly, you were upset at Irving being punished for what you trustingly - and strictly inaccurately - call his "views". If the indignant brain can be switched on again you might try setting aside the fact that lots of nasty destructive things were done in the 20th century that had nothing much to do with Hitler and the Jews and reset your starting point by studying the previous history of German anti-Semitism (and you might look at the willingness to commit genocide in Namibia in still high fertility days), the Kaiser suggesting exterminating the Jews with gas as, a comment elsewhere has noted, and Hitler's long record of obsessive anti-Semitism. Hence the betrayal by a once great nation of Western civilization. Leave off treating as an issue whether the total number was 4 million or 6 million out of about 11 million. The Jews were Hitler's leading candidates for extermination, as the mass deportations of women, children and old people from Western Europe should on its own be almost enough to wrap it up.

    Are you familiar with the Transfer Agreement? It was a WW2 zionist plan to get European jews to move to Palestine so Israel could be created. Are you familiar with the Balfour Declaration? It was a zionist plan hatched in WW1 to create Israel from Palestine, which occurred at the end of WW2. A byproduct of this event is that America would be dragged into WW1, via the usual false flag event (Lusitania).

    Why did Int’l Jewry declare war on Germany in 1933? Can you provide evidence of Hitler wanting to exterminate?

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  154. renfro says:

    The JTA contains a treasure trove of reports that show how US Jews agitated the Nazis to take steps to suppress the jews.
    WWII wasnt about the Jews… but the Jews tried to make it about the Jews.
    You will never hear a Jew discuss or write about WWII except as the war to exterminate the Jews.

    http://www.jta.org/1933/03/07/archive/declares-germans-justified-in-stemming-jewish-influence
    Berlin (Mar. 6) 1933
    Considerable comment has been aroused here by the publication of a statement in the “Deutsche Allgemeine Zeitung”, the organ of von Papen, over the signature of Max Naumann, leader of the National German Jewish Union, which is the most extreme body of Jewish assimilationists in Germany.
    Max Naumann declares that the desire manifested among Germans to stem Jewish influence is justified. He adds that German Jewish emancipation had assumed in 1918 a further growth which had been “exploited by improper elements, and the justified repulse had now unfortunately hit also the better elements among German Jews.”
    Berlin (Mar. 6)
    “If Jews remain loyal, they may pursue their business without fear,” is the statement reported to have been made by Minister Goering to a special correspondent of the “Svenska Dagbladet,” one of the most important newspapers in Sweden. The correspondent further reports that Goering added that Germany would not, however, allow Jews to conduct the business of the country.

    Berlin (Mar. 27)
    The most responsible Jewish quarters in Germany, including the Zionist Federation, the Central Union of the German Citizens of the Jewish Faith, the League of German Jewish Veterans and the Society of National German Jews have joined, through the Jewish Telegraphic Agency here, in an appeal to the American Jews to abandon today’s demonstrations against alleged atrocities in Germany.
    The German Jews disapprove the anti-German propaganda which has manifested itself throughout the world and express the hope that the German people will soon gain an appreciation of loyal German Jewry. They appeal that no resolutions harmful to the German people should be adopted.
    Apart from the appeal of the above organizations a number of German rabbis have sent a protest to Bishop Manning, one of the speakers at Madison Square Garden, protesting against what they describe as “exaggerated reports of Jewish atrocities”. It is understood, also, that the German Zionist Federation have addressed themselves to Bishop Manning reiterating their protest against untrue tales of cruelty and against “those Jews who are attempting to misuse the Jewish question in the political interests of other countries.”
    They demand that the question of the protection of Jewish rights should not be linked with the political actions against Germany.
    The J.T.A. here is further informed that Mr. Ernest Wallach, Vice-President of the Union of German Citizens of the Jewish Faith, who is at present on a stay in the United States for business purposes, has addressed the following telegram to the Governor of the State of New York, Herbert H. Lehman, the Honorable Alfred E. Smith, the Right Reverend William T. Manning, Bishop of New York; Bishop Francis J. McConnell, Rabbi Stephen S. Wise, Admiral Richard Byrd, Mr. Bernard S. Deutsch and other speakers at the meeting planned for last night in the Madison Square Garden of New York:
    “The undersigned Vice-president of the Central Association of German Citizens of Jewish Faith, has just received the following cable from the President of the Association, Dr. Julius Brodnitz in Berlin: ‘We earnestly urge you to do all in your power in order that Monday’s Mass Meeting be called off, or if such should, against our sincere hopes not prove possible, to prevail upon the speakers of the evening to refrain from stirring the emotions of their audience against Germany. We can assure them that the German Government is permanently and successfully engaged in assuring Peace and Order to all citizens without discrimination’.”
    In an accompanying letter Mr. Wallach says:
    “In conveying the contents of this telegram to you, as one of the principal speakers of tomorrow’s event, I beg to identify myself with the appeal therein voiced by the elected representation of Germany’s Jewish population and to earnestly bespeak you to aid us in preventing any action which is liable to encroach upon the prestige of our country and thereby seriously affect our most vital interests.”
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    Goebbels Offers Reward for Name of Single Jew Killed in Nazi Revolution
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    March 28, 1933

    London (Mar. 27)
    In an exclusive article, covering the whole of the front page of yesterday’s “Sunday Express,” Goebbels denies the Jewish atrocities and offers a reward for the name of a single Jew whose death can be laid to the Nazi revolution.
    Of the anti-Semitic movement in Germany, he says it is caused by the fact that German laws, though a small percentage of the general population, hold an enormously large number of influential public posts. Moreover, he charges a large number of Jews being involved in corruption scandals which he alleges have exasperated the German population. Nevertheless, he declares that Jews are allowed to conduct their private business and practise their religion freely, and that no hair of anyone’s head would be touched.
    The German authorities, says Goebbels, have the power to guarantee complete and absolute security to all observing the laws of the German people. The German people, he added, had other business than that of Jew-baiting.

    March 28, 1933

    A statement by Dr. Ernest Hanfstaengel, chief of the foreign press section of the Nazi party, reported by the United Press, confirms almost in every detail the reports of the systematic boycott and drive against Jews in German businesses and professions.
    Asked for the cause of the wave of anti-Semitism in Germany, Dr. Hanfstaengl said:
    “In the last fourteen years Jewry has achieved positions of influence which it has grossly misused morally, financially and politically in an unheard of manner, with the result that the German people crumbled morally, financially and politically.
    “The same Jewry now is seeking to smirch Germany’s renaissance.”
    Dr. Hanfstaengl went on to say, says the correspondent of the United Press, that the ousting of Jews in Germany from influential positions will continue “until the house is cleansed”.

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    Ernest Hanfstaengel was wrong.
    See the statistics in
    Ismar Schorsch, 'Jewish Reactions to German Anti-Semitism, 1870 - 1914', New York 1972
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  155. Dr. Doom says:

    One of the things now being noticed around the World is how the English and Americans that saved these Jews are now being called Nazis. I’m no big fan of the Bohemian Corporal, but the Jew is hardly a victim. The worst genocides can be traced to their Synagogue. The Armenian Genocide, The Holodomor, the Mao Purges, The Pol Pot Regime and others.
    These puny Jews and their tall tales of “persecution”. Let me tell you sport, you don’t scare me much. You have NO FRIENDS anymore. Being a friend to you is OBVIOUSLY FAR WORSE than being a Deadly Enemy. Farrakhan, the Ayatollah and others get far better press than Cucking “Judeo-Christians”. You had better watch your tongue wormtongue. Times have CHANGED.

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  156. utu says:
    @Eric Zuesse
    Ad-hominem attacks are the preferred method for someone who has no evidence. Besides, what you said is false in every regard, except that my book does document that Hitler had an extraordinarily good memory and in all his reliably transcribed and written statements he paraphrased from over a hundred lines from throughout the Bible, and he believed himself to be carrying out the intention of Jesus regarding the Jews. However, Hitler also was profoundly influenced by Genesis 3, and by Revelations. However, after the Pope in 1937 made clear to him that the Pope's moral authority was higher than was Hitler's, Hitler changed his mind and concluded that the problem with Jews wasn't necessarily that they had descended from the Snake in Genesis 3, but that their blood was infected with a bacterium, which must not be passed along (via intermarriage) to pure-blooded Christians.

    [Hitler] believed himself to be carrying out the intention of Jesus regarding the Jews

    However, after the Pope in 1937 made clear to him that the Pope’s moral authority was higher than was Hitler’s, Hitler changed his mind and concluded that the problem with Jews wasn’t necessarily that they had descended from the Snake in Genesis 3, but that their blood was infected with a bacterium, which must not be passed along (via intermarriage) to pure-blooded Christians.

    You are a kook. It is not ad hominem. Just keep talking. And this will become only more evident for anybody who might still consider you sane.

    BTW, paraphrasing is not a proof of ‘extraordinarily good memory.’ People with good memory can quote verbatim. The ‘paraphrases’ that you have discovered are only in your mind.

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    “The teachings of Christ have laid the foundations for the battle
    against Jews as the enemy of Mankind; the work that Christ began, I shall
    finish.”
    Adolf Hitler, speech to his followers, December 18, 1926
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  157. Good on Ron Unz for publishing a response to his article.

    The man is a real gentleman.

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    Completely agree.
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  158. FKA Max says: • Website
    @Eric Zuesse
    Why, then, did Hitler have pastors in all of the churches provide the new Government their archival baptismal records for everyone in their parish?

    My non-sinister guess would be to determine and to update who has to pay the German church tax and to which religious group/community they have to pay it to:

    The church tax was reaffirmed in Article 13 of the Reichskonkordat[4] between Nazi Germany and the Vatican, where it is understood that the right of the Church to levy taxes is guaranteed. Taxpayers, whether Roman Catholic, Protestant or members of other tax-collecting communities, pay an amount equal to between 8% (in Bavaria and Baden-Württemberg) and 9% (in the rest of the country) of their income tax to the church or other community to which they belong.[5]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_tax#Germany

    The Reichskonkordat (“Concordat between the Holy See and the German Reich”[1]) is a treaty negotiated between the Vatican and the emergent Nazi Germany. It was signed on 20 July 1933 by Cardinal Secretary of State Eugenio Pacelli, who later became Pope Pius XII, on behalf of Pope Pius XI and Vice Chancellor Franz von Papen on behalf of President Paul von Hindenburg and the German government. It was ratified September 10, 1933 and it has been in force from that date onward.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichskonkordat

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  159. Art says:

    “It seemed to me that the problem with his work was not the possible inaccuracy of the details that he included – but the things he had left out.

    Hmm – what is Mr. Zuesse leaving out of his history?

    How about the Jew bankers that funded both sides? Churchill had Jew bankers and Hitler had Jew bankers.

    What is the truly ugly history of Jew banking, past and present?

    How many white Europeans died because of Jew bankers – all too happy to fund war?

    That is the centuries old real history of Euro war! A chronicle of Euro blood spilled because of evil Jew money needs to be written.

    Think Peace — Do No Harm — Maintain Hope, Love, Truth, & idealism — Art

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    How about the Jew bankers that funded both sides? Churchill had Jew bankers and Hitler had Jew bankers.

    What is the truly ugly history of Jew banking, past and present?

     

    Some bankers are Jews. So what?
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  160. Skeptikal says:
    @Curmudgeon
    Like you, I never questioned the official narrative. In fairness, any time the topic was raised, my parents, if near enough to hear, shut down the conversation quickly. In retrospect, it was obvious that they thought it was bullshit.
    My awakening came with the Zundel trials in Toronto. Despite an obviously hostile judge, Zundel's lawyer, the late Doug Christie, made fools out of author Raul Hilberg, pathological liar Rudolf Vrba (whose hearsay evidence was the basis for Nuremberg), and "survivor" Arnold Friedman, prisoner number B14515 and his coloured smoke from crematoria story. Zundel's own witnesses, which included "death camp survivors" Irving in the 2nd trial, and experts in their fields, demonstrated the physical impossibility of the gas chamber and crematoria narratives.
    The trial transcripts are available online. Although a tedious read it becomes comedy when the prosecution witnesses, in answers to Christie's questions, utterly destroy their own credibility.

    “The trial transcripts are available online.”

    I don’t know of this trial.
    Do you have a link for the transcripts?

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    Full transcript of 1985 trial:
    https://archive.org/stream/1985ZndelTrialTranscript/1985Z%C3%BCndelTrialTranscript#page/n0/mode/2up

    Summary of testimony by Robert Faurisson:
    http://www.whale.to/b/faurisson3.html
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  161. @quasi_verbatim
    I cannot believe that I am reading this 'Hitler' shit in anno domini 2018.

    Professor Emeritus at the US Naval Post-Graduate School, RHS Stolfi, published the definitive book, the ultimate book, the final solution Hitler book in 2011. I suggest you all peruse it.

    Sorry, I believe you meant to say Common Era 2018.

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  162. Florin N says:
    @Colin Wright
    I'm sorry. I'd be all for reading a coherent summary of the evidence that Hitler did order the Holocaust -- but this ain't it.

    I got half-way through the second excerpt before I gave up. We'd already logged one fact that argued against Hitler having ordered the Holocaust -- his willingness to sign an order for the euthanasia program. Obviously -- or one would think it was obvious -- a demonstrated willingness to sign other orders for mass murder hardly bolsters the case for the argument that Hitler wanted the Holocaust but was unwilling to issue a written order for it.

    Then we have a simple irrelevancy -- Himmler's acknowledgment of the Holocaust. Then there's a misrepresentation of the facts. Supposedly, Hitler was being grossly and consciously unrealistic when he proposed the Madagascar Plan in June 1940 because that would have required the defeat of France and Britain.

    Ahem. France was defeated in June 1940. Hitler did indeed think Britain was as well. So it would seem that the Madagascar Plan was proposed in all seriousness. Far from France and Britain being defeated being a pipe-dream, that June it seemed to be a reality.

    Finally, we have the claim that Schacht was fired because he was too successful at resettling Jews.

    ! Schacht was fired because he wouldn't endorse Hitler's increasingly risky ploys to finance rearmament -- not because he succeeded in driving Jews out of Germany.

    I am skeptical of Irving's thesis; it's distinctly improbable that one could murder six million people without the nation's leader even noticing. As I say, I'm all for reading an article that effectively marshals the evidence for the counter-argument. This piece isn't it, however.

    So the best evidence is from a guy tortured by the allies after the war – this is supposed to be a serious reply to Irving?

    the author has not come close to doing so.

    I’m less skeptical of Hitler ordering extermination verbally than I am of 6 million – a
    mythic number for orthodox jews. Indeed that number is not at all well supported, while the sacred/mystical use if that number is in evidence for decades before the war.

    http://balder.org/judea/Six-Million-140-Occurrences-Of-The-Word-Holocaust-And-The-Number-6,000,000-Before-The-Nuremberg-Trials-Began.php

    To me, what is important is not a conclusion but the freedom to DOUBT. In all history only this crime against Jews is a crime to doubt.

    Which gives one reason to doubt it.

    It is similar to the notion we must not criticize Jews or Judaism… the ‘sacred eternal victim’ is above it… even when conmitting war crimes.

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  163. @Reg Cæsar
    Progressive whites are the most backward people on the planet. They think that buggery can consummate a marriage. Even the naked Yanomami aren't that stupid.

    ‘Progressive whites are the most backward people on the planet. They think that buggery can consummate a marriage. Even the naked Yanomami aren’t that stupid.’

    Excellent point, sir, quite right, nothing trifling there.

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  164. utu says:
    @SolontoCroesus
    One deficit in Irving's "Hitler's War" is the almost complete absence of discussion of the role of zionism/zionists in extending World War I and in starting and manipulating World War II.

    One of Irving's two significant references to "zionists" occurs in a footnote, relative to Kristallnacht. The comment is not conclusive but suggestive:

    "Some writers now argue that the Nazis had fallen into a Zionist trap. The Haganah officials with whom Adolf Eichmann negotiated on his trip to Palestine in November 1937 had hinted that it would serve their interests if things were made hot for Germany's Jews, to accelerate Jewish emigration to Palestine. It deserves comment that Grynszpan, although a destitute youth, was able to reside in a hotel in 1938 and purchase a handgun for 250 francs, and that his defense counsel Moro Giafferi was the best that the money of the International League against Anti-Semitism (LICA) could buy; LICA's Paris office was around the corner from Grynszpan's hotel." fn, p. 142
     
    We know from Francis Nicosia's "Zionism and Antisemitism in Nazi Germany" that Haganah had created and dispatched to European cities, including in Germany, Mossad el-Aliyeh Bet, zionist agents whose task was to assist German Jews in leaving Germany, breaking the British blockade and settling in Palestine. Mossad el-Aliyeh functioned in full view, and often in cooperation with, Gestapo; Nicosia notes that one Mossad headquarters was across the street from a Gestapo office.
    It's not a stretch to conjecture that Mossad played some role in inciting the rioting that followed the provocation of Grynszpan's assassination of vom Roth.

    A curious case of Grynszpan. After occupation of France in 1940 Grynszpan ends up in German custody where he is kept. Germans do not take advantage of it. Soviets would have staged a show trial and gained PR. Apparently Germans did not have talents for it. They even acquitted several suspects in Reichstag Fire trial. This would have never happened in the USSR or the post 9/11 America.

    It was believed that eventually he was executed but it seems that Grynszpan survived the WWII while in NAZi custody.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/18/herschel-grynszpan-photo-mystery-jewish-assassin-kristallnacht-pogrom

    NB: The story of Grynszpan resurfaced in media relatively recently when Russian ambassador was murdered in Turkey insinuating that killing Russian ambassadors was kind of OK like killing the NAZI diplomat by Grynszpan.

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    The following book by French authors strongly suggests that the Paris murder was a deliberate provocation
    René d’Argile, etc., Das Geheimnis um die Ursachen des Zweiten Weltkrieges, Wiesbaden 1958 ( Les Originals Secrêtes de la Guerre 1939 – 1945, Paris 1958).
    , @SolontoCroesus
    The Jewish propaganda machine turned Herschel Grynspan from murderer to hero.

    Dorothy Thompson led the charge, publishing and broadcasting heart-rending defenses of the "persecuted young man;" creating a fund for his defense.

    USHMM slobbers over Thompson's broadcasts and writing
    https://exhibitions.ushmm.org/americans-and-the-holocaust/personal-story/dorothy-thompson

    Thompson worked for NBC, which Benjamin Ginsberg discloses in "How the Jews Defeated Hitler,"


    "The increasingly anti-German and interventionist perspective presented by the film studios in 1940 was echoed by important segments of the news media, particularly the radio networks. Two of the most important networks, CBS and NBC, embodied the pro-British, anti-German alliance between America's Jews and establishment Protestants. These networks were owned by Jews, while their most important news broadcasters and journalists were such establishment figures as Edward R. Murrow and William Shirer. "
     
    ( plus les choses changent, plus elles restent les mêmes American Pravda: Breaching the Media Barrier RON UNZ • October 24, 2016 )

    from Jewish Currents:


    "Dorothy Thompson, known as "The First Lady of American Journalism," offered an impassioned defense on NBC radio of Herschel Grynszpan, the Polish-German Jewish assassin of Nazi diplomat Ernst vom Rath, on this date in 1938.

    Grynszpan's crime was in retaliation for the suffering and deportation from Germany of his parents (among thousands of other Polish Jews); the Nazis used the assassination as their pretext for launching Kristallnacht, a two-day nationwide pogrom in which 30,000 Jewish men were arrested.

    Thompson's broadcast, only four days after Kristallnacht, was heard by millions of Americans and helped to mobilize public opinion against the Nazi regime. Thompson, who was not Jewish, had interviewed Hitler in 1931 and described him as "inconsequent and voluble, ill poised and insecure. He is the very prototype of the little man." The Nazis ejected her from Germany three years later. After the war, she renounced the pro-Zionist opinions of her younger days, became a sharp critic of Israel, and wrote and made a film about the plight of Palestinian refugees."
     

    from Jewish Telegraphic Agency (JTA):

    Dorothy Thompson Group to Bring Grynszpan’s Parents to America
    April 2, 1939 PARIS (Mar. 31)
    Herschel Grynszpan, Polish Jewish youth who last November killed a German Embassy official here, expressed delight today when news reached him in his cell that the American Journalists Defense Committee headed by Dorothy Thompson had decided to bring to America his parents, who are among several thousand deportees from Germany still marooned in the Polish frontier town of Zbonszyn.

    Meanwhile, official French investigators have returned from Germany where they checked young Grynszpan’s statements and studied his records. Their return concludes the investigation process, although some documents which they brought still require translation from German to French.

    Grynszpan’s lawyers today predicted that his trial will not take place “for a good several months” and certainly not in May as had been previously forecast. They were pleased to learn of the plan to bring his parents out of Zbonszyn as this would enable them to testify during the trial.

    Central Jewish organizations which received the American group’s request to contact the elder Grynszpans immediately transmitted the news to Warsaw, where they must apply for visas. Doubt has been expressed that the visas will be quickly granted since the Polish quota to the United States is filled for several years ahead. At the same time it is hoped that the American consul at Warsaw may consider the special circumstances of the case and grant visas to the aged couple.
     

    AND

    January 1, 1939
    SAO PAULO, Brazil (Dec. 30)
    Calling on Brazilian intellectuals to support Herschel Grynszpan as a symbol of Jewish persecution, the young Brazilian Poet. . ., has announced that he will donate 50 per cent of the proceeds of this new book,. . . to the American Journalists’ Defense Fund for the young Polish Jew who killed a German Embassy official in Paris. The fund was started by Dorothy Thompson.
     
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  165. Skeptikal says:
    @Thomm

    If Hitler didn’t actually want the Jews to leave Germany, he was spectacularly ineffectual. Something like half of Germany’s Jews did succeed in leaving before the war.
     
    I always wondered why only half left. If it was easy to leave for a multi-year window, why risk it at all? Were the ones who stayed the ones who owned too much land or had a business that they refused to abandon?

    “I always wondered why only half left.”

    The genuinely curious can solve this riddle fairly easily!
    And rid themselves of their 20-20 hindsight syndrome at the same time.
    Many memoirs have been written that describe the excrutiating decisions that relatively assimilated Jews in Germany and Austria faced–that is, business owners with extended families, etc. who really had a lot to lose and whose family members often were not on the same page about going or staying—and where to go to hunker down?
    Getting a ticket, getting a visa, getting a spouse out of Dachau—getting out of Germany and Austria required a lot of moxie, some money, somewhere to go, often, somd kind of official protection (say, from a friend who was in the Party and could fix something).
    The policy of the Third Reich was an evolving thing after 1933. the Final Solution wasn’t not the official policy until after the war started. It was always problematical and a source of internal conflict because the Reich also needed the Jews (and others) for slave labor to run the economy. Recall that it was the SS that ran the concentration/extermination/labor camps. Not the German government per se. The SS was a huge economic organization and there were a lot of internal contradictions concerning the three functions of the camps.
    Some smart, educated, assimilated Germans saw the writing on the wall, and if they had some foreign contacts who could help them arrange an exit visa, then an entry visa in another country, and maybe a way to transfer some funds, could fix something.
    However, many businessmen and others in the financial sector or owners of various types of businesses/companies were conflicted because they were German, and they felt that by leaving they would provide fuel for the “Jewish conspiracy” charges that Jews were trying to bring down the German economy.
    Another twist is that it was extremely difficult to get any money out of Germany. In the early thirties the Reich needed cash. In fact, one reason for getting Jews to emigrate was to seize their assets in return for permission to leave. Many Jewish wills just disappeared.
    Another thing: Some Gentiles who had married Jews thought that it would suffice to send the Mischling children out of Germany—if they could afford it. They themselves would stay. Many families were torn apart by such considerations.
    Etc. Etc. Etc.
    Speaking of 20-20 hindsight, it might be worthwhile to ask why more Americans don’t leave this country now. The quality of life is so much higher in many other countries. Soooooo?????? What gives?
    Oh, maybe it is not so easy to just pick up and start living in another country, esp. if one is past one’s twenties or thirties. How many here ever even managed to live outside the USA for any period of time? Or even possess a passport?
    20-20!!

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    And another thing not to forget:
    Germany after 1933 evolved quite quickly into a totalitarian state. That was the reason that many chose to leave, not because they foresaw the Final Solution (obviously, the word "Final" is a hint as to the role of this "solution" in the big picture). The Reich wanted to reeducate the politically wayward if they could, and forcibly expatriate the others. This continued well in 1937-38.

    Thus, people could collect Brownie points for denouncing others for various crimes, and of course Jews were particularly vulnerable to being denounced for something. If they had any assets, the denunciations could channel money to the state, or a local authority or party official, and also there was a trickle-down effect to the denouncers. And, some denouncers were actually youths who had been indoctrinated in various ways via the new Nazi youth groups (after Gleichschaltung that took place from 1933 to approximately 1935 and eliminated all traces of German civil society) and were "true believers" who swallowed the Aryan story. Not that different from the ISIS zealots.
    , @peterAUS
    Good post.
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  166. @kikl
    I don't understand your question. How does the baptismal record prove the will to exterminate?

    Hitler even made an agreement with zionist jews in order to transfer German Jews to palestine. It is called the transfer agreement or Haavara agreement. Take a look here:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement

    This proves that Hitler had no intention of killing all the jews in 1933.

    For example: Hitler in 1922 told a journalist Joseph Hell (I quote this on page 77, then discuss on pages 82-83 the context in which he said this in conversation, to impress the man, but not to publish it, just on background so that he could understand the Nazi Party), “Once I am in power, my first and foremost task will be the annihilation of the Jews. As soon as I have the power to do so, I will have gallows built in rows — as many as traffic allows. Then the Jews will be hanging indiscriminately, and they will remain hanging until they stink. … As soon as they have been untied, the next batch will be strung up, and so on, … until all Germany has been cleaned of Jews.” Little over a year later, Hitler wrote into Mein Kampf (1939, p. 946; 1943, p. 651) that the “elimination” of Jews must be “by the sword” and “bloody.”

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    Please show us the original German language Mein Kampf which says that.

    You cannot. Your text is fraudulent.

    No proof, no 'holocaust'.

    The '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers' are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the 'holocaust' scam debunked here: http://codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here: http://forum.codoh.com
    , @FKA Max

    With this very thing in mind I scanned the revolutionary events of history and put the question to myself against which racial element in Germany can I unleash my propaganda of hate with the greatest prospects of success? I had to find the right kind of victim, and especially one against whom the struggle would make sense, materially speaking. I can assure you that I examined every possible and thinkable solution to this problem, and, weighing every imaginable factor, I came to the conclusion that a campaign against the Jews would be as popular as it would be successful.[4]


    Thus, according to this, Hitler allegedly confessed that his anti-Semitism was mostly faked and simply a propaganda method used in order to gain power, which is an unusual view and seldom mentioned by those who selectively quote only the first quote as alleged evidence of Hitler's early, murderously intended anti-Semitism.

    Also less often mentioned is that Josef Hell wrote down the alleged quote in its present form only in 1945, more than twenty years later.[5] It is thus not a text published long before the Holocaust but only after the occurrence of widespread Allied atrocity propaganda. Even if assuming no deliberate fabrication by Josef Hell, he is arguably an unreliable source considering the unreliable and easily influenced human memory.

    Furthermore, Josef Hell was a journalist who worked with Fritz Gerlich, a major opponent of Hitler and the editor of the anti-National Socialist newspaper Der Gerade Weg. Gerlich was arrested and later killed during the Night of the Long Knives. Josef Hell was thus no impartial witness and may have fabricated the quote or parts of it.
     

    - https://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Alleged_statements_by_Hitler_on_the_Holocaust#Josef_Hell_interview Archived link: http://archive.is/qHa5F

    Also this:


    Hitler’s Table Talk, October 1941

    "From the rostrum of the Reichstag, I prophesied to Jewry that, in the event of war’s proving inevitable, the Jew would disappear from Europe. That race of criminals has on its conscience the two million dead of the First World War, and now already hundreds and thousands more. Let nobody tell me that all the same we can’t park them in the marshy parts of Russia! Who’s worrying about our troops? It’s not a bad idea, by the way, that public rumor attributes to us a plan to exterminate the Jews. Terror is a salutary thing." (quoted in John Toland, Adolf Hitler. London: Book Club Associates, 1977, p.702-3)
     

    - https://phdn.org/archives/www.ess.uwe.ac.uk/genocide/statements.htm

    I personally interpret this statement as implying that there is no intention to physically exterminate Jews (or only to a very limited extent), but, by way of rumor, to terrorize them (not a good and kind thing to subject someone to either, of course) and to strike fear and terror into their hearts and souls through this "public rumor", and thus to encourage Jews to "self-deport", see a similar principle/strategy applied in "Operation Wetback"


    This included many illegal immigrants who fled to Mexico fearing arrest; over half a million from Texas alone.
     
    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Wetback#Implementation_and_tactics
    , @Caruthers
    Hitler tells a journalist in my order to impress him and so he can understand Hitler's aims, but he doesn't tell his top lieutenans so they cs understand his aims and can thus better implement them?
    , @utu

    the “elimination” of Jews must be “by the sword” and “bloody.”
     
    Why you did not cite the exact sentence? There are many instances where “elimination” (15), “bloody” (22) and “by the sword” (3) are used in Mein Kampf in many different contexts but never together.

    First I thought your were just a kook but you are much worse. You are a dishonest manipulator with zero integrity. Nobody will touch any of your kooky books.
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  167. @utu

    [Hitler] believed himself to be carrying out the intention of Jesus regarding the Jews
     

    However, after the Pope in 1937 made clear to him that the Pope’s moral authority was higher than was Hitler’s, Hitler changed his mind and concluded that the problem with Jews wasn’t necessarily that they had descended from the Snake in Genesis 3, but that their blood was infected with a bacterium, which must not be passed along (via intermarriage) to pure-blooded Christians.
     
    You are a kook. It is not ad hominem. Just keep talking. And this will become only more evident for anybody who might still consider you sane.

    BTW, paraphrasing is not a proof of 'extraordinarily good memory.' People with good memory can quote verbatim. The 'paraphrases' that you have discovered are only in your mind.

    “The teachings of Christ have laid the foundations for the battle
    against Jews as the enemy of Mankind; the work that Christ began, I shall
    finish.”
    Adolf Hitler, speech to his followers, December 18, 1926

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    Please provide the original German document for this claimed 'translation'.

    You cannot. Your text is fraudulent.

    www.codoh.com
    , @bjondo
    At 166 and 167

    Apparently Adolph changed. The blood spilled by lice not gallows nor gas nor sword.

    If your quotes are true (I doubt such but anyway), seems AH changed his mind to moving Jew elsewhere.

    Hard to change Jew belief in FINAL SOLUTIONS. Brainwashed from pre womb unto death.

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  168. Skeptikal says:
    @Skeptikal
    "I always wondered why only half left."

    The genuinely curious can solve this riddle fairly easily!
    And rid themselves of their 20-20 hindsight syndrome at the same time.
    Many memoirs have been written that describe the excrutiating decisions that relatively assimilated Jews in Germany and Austria faced--that is, business owners with extended families, etc. who really had a lot to lose and whose family members often were not on the same page about going or staying---and where to go to hunker down?
    Getting a ticket, getting a visa, getting a spouse out of Dachau---getting out of Germany and Austria required a lot of moxie, some money, somewhere to go, often, somd kind of official protection (say, from a friend who was in the Party and could fix something).
    The policy of the Third Reich was an evolving thing after 1933. the Final Solution wasn't not the official policy until after the war started. It was always problematical and a source of internal conflict because the Reich also needed the Jews (and others) for slave labor to run the economy. Recall that it was the SS that ran the concentration/extermination/labor camps. Not the German government per se. The SS was a huge economic organization and there were a lot of internal contradictions concerning the three functions of the camps.
    Some smart, educated, assimilated Germans saw the writing on the wall, and if they had some foreign contacts who could help them arrange an exit visa, then an entry visa in another country, and maybe a way to transfer some funds, could fix something.
    However, many businessmen and others in the financial sector or owners of various types of businesses/companies were conflicted because they were German, and they felt that by leaving they would provide fuel for the "Jewish conspiracy" charges that Jews were trying to bring down the German economy.
    Another twist is that it was extremely difficult to get any money out of Germany. In the early thirties the Reich needed cash. In fact, one reason for getting Jews to emigrate was to seize their assets in return for permission to leave. Many Jewish wills just disappeared.
    Another thing: Some Gentiles who had married Jews thought that it would suffice to send the Mischling children out of Germany---if they could afford it. They themselves would stay. Many families were torn apart by such considerations.
    Etc. Etc. Etc.
    Speaking of 20-20 hindsight, it might be worthwhile to ask why more Americans don't leave this country now. The quality of life is so much higher in many other countries. Soooooo?????? What gives?
    Oh, maybe it is not so easy to just pick up and start living in another country, esp. if one is past one's twenties or thirties. How many here ever even managed to live outside the USA for any period of time? Or even possess a passport?
    20-20!!

    And another thing not to forget:
    Germany after 1933 evolved quite quickly into a totalitarian state. That was the reason that many chose to leave, not because they foresaw the Final Solution (obviously, the word “Final” is a hint as to the role of this “solution” in the big picture). The Reich wanted to reeducate the politically wayward if they could, and forcibly expatriate the others. This continued well in 1937-38.

    Thus, people could collect Brownie points for denouncing others for various crimes, and of course Jews were particularly vulnerable to being denounced for something. If they had any assets, the denunciations could channel money to the state, or a local authority or party official, and also there was a trickle-down effect to the denouncers. And, some denouncers were actually youths who had been indoctrinated in various ways via the new Nazi youth groups (after Gleichschaltung that took place from 1933 to approximately 1935 and eliminated all traces of German civil society) and were “true believers” who swallowed the Aryan story. Not that different from the ISIS zealots.

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    Are you making this up as you go along or is it based on evidence? If the latter, put it on the table
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  169. @Eric Zuesse
    To exterminate whom? Which individuals, This plowing through church-archives was in 1933-34, long before the Nuremberg Laws, which required this information. Of course, nobody except Hitler himself knew then what use he would make of this information. He was very secretive, even to Himmler, Goebbels, Bormann, etc., everything on only a need-to-know basis, so that only he knew what was going to be happening next. He was an extremely gifted leader; he had that natural gift. He understood how to achieve what he wanted. HE WAS NO 'WEAK LEADER'.

    This plowing through church-archives was in 1933-34, long before the Nuremberg Laws, which required this information.

    Yes, before Nuremberg laws, but AFTER Louis Brandeis’s directive that “all Jews must leave Germany . . . all 587,000 German Jews . . .”

    Rabbi Stephen Wise records that conversation w/ Brandeis in his autobiography, The Challenging Years; he notes that it took place “within a fortnight of the Fuhrer’s ascent to chancellorship” that is, by Feb. 14, 1933. It is significant that he stated a specific number of German Jews, since tens of thousands of Polish and Russian Jews had taken refuge in Germany to escape from turmoil in those places. Grynszpan and his family were just such Polish Jewish would-be refuge-seekers.

    German ambassador to USA Hans Luther explained that in addition to the over-representation of Jews in administrative posts, it was those alien, or non-German Jews that were especially troublesome in Germany in the Weimar years:

    [Luther] asserted that limitation of Jewish influence in Germany was being conducted with the greatest possible consideration toward the old native Jewish families who, he said; had proven themselves good Germans and indicated that it was directed against the Eastern European Jews who had overflooded the country since the War.

    https://www.jta.org/1933/05/26/archive/nazi-jewish-policies-political-not-religious-dr-luther-asserts

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    “all Jews must leave Germany . . . all 587,000 German Jews . . .”
     
    Some clever fellow quipped:
    "Of the 2.4M Jews under Nazi occupation, 3.8M claimed Holocaust reparations. Sadly, the remaining 6M were lost."

    I don't remember who that fellow was, but the Holocaust narrative's numbers have never stacked up. What does stack up are the numbers from camp records and the Red Cross. They're rarely mentioned, of course.
    , @jilles dykstra
    Indeed, the present situation in the USA resembles, in my opinion, the Weimar Republic
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  170. Art says:

    Mr. Zuesse perpetuates the “six million lie” so his slimy cousins in Israel can do this.

    Palestinian teen shot by Israeli soldier: ‘My leg is gone’

    More than half of 15,000 total injuries in Gaza demos since March 30 are from explosive bullets, leading to amputation.

    by Maram Humaid
    14 Jun 2018

    “I took my slingshot with me,” Abdullah, a skinny boy of 13, told Al Jazeera. “A few people were in the area, and everything was calm.”

    “I went near the fence and starting throwing rocks,” he said, sitting in his wheelchair. “Then as I started to climb the fence, I saw an Israeli soldier hiding in the bushes.”

    Abdullah’s immediate reaction was to step down from the fence and run away, but before he could do that, the soldier shot him in the left thigh with an explosive bullet at close range.

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/06/palestinian-teen-shot-israeli-soldier-leg-180612201751173.html

    Think Peace — Do No harm — Art

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    How am I perpetuating "the 'six million lie'" if it is that, which I don't even know? I write about what I know about and can document with the most credible evidence that currently exists regarding the given matter. The number of Jews who were killed in the Holocaust isn't something that I've ever written about. It's not relevant to my book about the Holocaust. Furthermore, the ad-hominem comment about me, that I have "cousins" in Israel, also is false.
    , @Karl
    170 Art > “I took my slingshot with me,”


    the kid was not hunting for food

    who will Art applaud next - Salvadoran gang members who climb the border fence in Texas?
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  171. @Art
    Mr. Zuesse perpetuates the “six million lie” so his slimy cousins in Israel can do this.

    Palestinian teen shot by Israeli soldier: 'My leg is gone'

    More than half of 15,000 total injuries in Gaza demos since March 30 are from explosive bullets, leading to amputation.

    by Maram Humaid
    14 Jun 2018


    "I took my slingshot with me," Abdullah, a skinny boy of 13, told Al Jazeera. "A few people were in the area, and everything was calm."

    "I went near the fence and starting throwing rocks," he said, sitting in his wheelchair. "Then as I started to climb the fence, I saw an Israeli soldier hiding in the bushes."

    Abdullah's immediate reaction was to step down from the fence and run away, but before he could do that, the soldier shot him in the left thigh with an explosive bullet at close range.

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/06/palestinian-teen-shot-israeli-soldier-leg-180612201751173.html
     
    Think Peace --- Do No harm --- Art

    How am I perpetuating “the ‘six million lie’” if it is that, which I don’t even know? I write about what I know about and can document with the most credible evidence that currently exists regarding the given matter. The number of Jews who were killed in the Holocaust isn’t something that I’ve ever written about. It’s not relevant to my book about the Holocaust. Furthermore, the ad-hominem comment about me, that I have “cousins” in Israel, also is false.

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    The number of Jews who were killed in the Holocaust isn’t something that I’ve ever written about. It’s not relevant to my book about the Holocaust. Furthermore, the ad-hominem comment about me, that I have “cousins” in Israel, also is false.
     
    The following assumes that you are among the 95% of US Jews who support Israel’s existence.

    I too do not know the number of Jews killed in WWII. It was too many – one was to many.

    But I do not believe in ovens, and lamp shades, and soap. I think Jews have lied.

    Collectively Jews used that lie to advantage in Palestine, with impunity shooting off 13 year-old boy’s legs.

    Rational good honest people assume you are responsible for this wrong doing.

    Get used to it!

    Think Peace --- Do No harm --- Art
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  172. @Momus

    “Eichmann....flywheel of the extermination machine.”
     
    Benthic Wally... flywheel of the denier/liar machine.

    Benthic Wally… flywheel of the denier/liar machine.

    You have been repeating this tiresome ad hominem attack on Wally ad nauseum, and yet you appear unable to refute any of his points or present credible data to do so. I think that gives him the victory in this debate, whether you accept that or not, and shows you in very poor light. I don’t know if you are getting paid to do this, but if you are, you have not been a particularly good return on any investment your employer may have made.

    When you are deep in a hole, stop digging.

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  173. @RealAmericanValuesCirca1776Not1965
    Anecdotal evidence aside, I guess I am just missing the part about how you go from searching for and identifying Jewish blood to, without any evidence at all, and with plenty of evidence to the contrary, the foregone conclusion that cleansing and genocide were the (only) goal from the very start. As opposed to removal and relocation.

    “‘Bad blood’ was the great term. You had to have Aryan blood.” Hitler, in only his private statements, had defined “Aryan,” as pureblooded Christian. Bethge’s interviewer inquired, “So we know this Jewish poison [Jewish blood] had to be cleansed. How did they propose to do that?
     
    Well? I see no evidence. Just the heavy insinuations that people without evidence often try to pass off as a valid substitute. It's not. There's no small supply of anecdotal evidence against the genocide narrative, from Jews, as well. Just take a glimpse at all the interviews Spielberg nixed from his Holohoax documentary for not being in line with his false narrative, despite coming from actual Jews in the camps.

    And yet even today, so-called “historians” say that Hitler didn’t have execution of the Jews in mind from the very star
     
    What do you mean "and yet" or "so-called" . You mean: "And yet, despite the empty insinuations and insistence that absence of proof is not proof of absence, some so-called "historians" are still doing their actual job and not revising history based on baseless insinuations or otherwise unsubstantiated and, in many cases, even outright refutable claims?

    Pointing out what everyone knows, that he was looking for Jews, and then connecting that to slaughtering them all with intent, using nothing more than insinuation and anecdotally reinforced assurances.. is NOT sound reasoning.

    Christianity’s role is ignored.
     
    Maybe Christianity did play a bigger role. It's still the role it was supposed to play, is it not? Protecting civilization from destructive influences. There are some reasonably sound arguments out there that suggest Christianity was created specifically as a weapon against Jews and their religion of subversion and supremacy.

    In either event, the involvement of Christianity in the affairs of Germany in the WWII period here is no different than Christianity's involvement in the Crusades. Just another example of Christianity stepping up and serving it's purpose as a shield, as a bulwark (albeit with mixed success). Be it against the flailing sword of Islam, or the cloaked dagger of Judaism.

    If anything, it's a shame that dagger's poison has been so effective at corroding the West's bulwark ever since WWII.

    or the cloaked dagger of Judaism

    I am glad you didn’t say “the cloak and dagger of judaism”!

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  174. Robjil says:

    The H has been used as a tool to whack us over the head for decades in the west. One can’t investigate it or question it. In Europe, in many countries, one goes to jail for five years for the questioning the controlled viewpoint. In Jan. 2018, a Canadian citizen, Monika Schaefer, was dragged away to prison in Germany for making a video that questioned the controlled viewpoint of the H. She was just watching the trial of Slyvia Stolz, who is being jailed for being too good of a lawyer for Ernst Zundel. We are in a new Dark Ages. No one shouldn’t be jailed for questioning or investigating history.
    Victoria Nuland, an American Jew, revived a type of Nazism, Banderism from the WW2 era, to take over Ukraine for US interests. This action by her woke me up to question and investigate everything. We are constantly being told by our controlled MSM that Nazism was the worst thing ever for Jews and everyone. So why would a Jewish person revive it in the 21 century?

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  175. anarchyst says:

    There is NOT ONE DOCUMENT outlining any extermination plan for jews or others. In fact, prominent Zionists collaborated with the German government and formulated plans at the highest level of the German government for the “transfer” of jews to what was then known as Palestine. Absolutely nothing about extermination.

    Official International Red Cross figures for all camp “deaths” total around 731,000–NOT “6 million”. In fact, population totals pre-WW2 and post-WW2 show an INCREASE in the jewish population in post-WW2 Europe immediately after the cessation of the war…

    If a country were hell-bent on genocide, WHY WOULD IT KEEP RECORDS?? WHY would it build “camps” hundreds (if not thousands) of miles away with sanitary facilities, housing, medical, recreational and other ancillary facilities? Would it not have been easier to just “eliminate” them without going through all of this trouble? Why would they expend massive effort on logistical movement utilizing their limited energy resources if the goal was extermination? Things do not “add up”…

    Something BIG “stinks” in this whole jewish “holocaust ™” deal. It is no secret that jewish Zionists made “deals” with the German government in order to make life “uncomfortable” for jewish Germans. In fact, it was jewish Zionist leaders who first proposed that all jews wear the “yellow Star of David” armband so that they could be easily identified. German jews considered themselves Germans first and had no desire to emigrate.

    The establishment of a “homeland” along with the 6,000,000 figure was a Zionist “dream” since the 1800s. Many periodicals of the day starting with the 1800s touted the “six-million” figure.

    What better way to encourage “emigration” to a foreign land than to make things difficult for the “cream of German society” (jews)?? The TRUTH about the so-called jewish “holocaust ™” is out . . .

    As cremation of ONE human body takes hours, the amount of time claimed by holocaust ™ promoters is a physical, scientific and statistical impossibility. Their claims also do not account for the “downtime” that crematoria require for maintenance, etc. In addition, there are no mass burial sites that are commensurate with the claims of “six-million” or even “one-million”. There is also a jewish prohibition on excavation of claimed possible burial sites. WHY?? Because THEY DO NOT EXIST. There is even a prohibition on the use of ground penetrating radar to search for burial sites. WHY?? If millions were gassed and cremated, the activities would have lasted well into the 1950s.

    The so-called jewish “holocaust ™” has been turned into a de-facto “religion” in which no deviation from orthodoxy is permitted. In fact, in most European countries, independent investigation into jewish “holocaust ™” truths is strictly forbidden under pain of fines and imprisonment. In the USA, things are not quite as bad, only job loss and personal and professional destruction at the hands of those of the “tribe” that FEAR the real truth of the jewish “holocaust ™” being exposed is evident. TRUTH CANNOT BE USED AS A DEFENSE OR ENTERED INTO EVIDENCE IN THE “KANGAROO COURTS” THAT PROSECUTE THOSE WHO DARE TO INVESTIGATE THIS HISTORICAL EVENT. A question for you “holocaust ™” promoters–why are there laws that criminalize the search for truth?? What are you afraid of??

    When the truth about this historical event comes out, it will change much of the world’s perception about those that are using this event as a “cash cow” that “keeps on giving”. . . “there’s NO business like “SHOAH business”. Zionist complicity in this event is carefully “covered up”.

    A good example of present-day censorship is the fate that awaits those that dare question “official” jewish “holocaust” orthodoxy. Most European countries have criminalized ANY line of thought that deviates from the “official” jewish “holocaust” story. WHY?? In fact, TRUTH is no defense when it comes to “all things holocaust ™”. Ask noted WW2 researcher David Irving, who was forced to recant TRUTH in order to avoid punishment.

    The latest “vicitms” of “holocaustianity ™” are Ursula Haverbeck and Monika Schaefer, both 80 plus-year-old grandmothers who have been prosecuted and sentenced to maximum-security prison in Germany for “incorrect thoughts”.

    If people only knew of the planning that took place (among those of the “chosen”) to engineer the jewish “holocaust”, there would be a pogrom of massive size. You see, the jewish “holocaust” was necessary in order to force the establishment of a jewish state. In this case, the ENDS justified the MEANS. There have been many “holocausts” of much greater misery throughout human history, yet the jewish “holocaust ™” is the only one that counts . . . It is interesting to note that the term “holocaust ™” to mean “mass extermination” was never used during or immediately after WW2, only coming to vogue in the 1960s, when it was noted that “guilt” could be assigned and reparations could be procured.

    Look at the “commercialization of the so-called jewish “holocaust ™” while the much larger communist (true) holocaust is conveniently forgotten. To assure a continuing supply of jewish “holocaust ™” “survivors”, jews are tattooing their ATM (oops, I mean “camp” numbers) on their children and grandchildren. In addition, jewish psychologists have come up with a new concept, and “disease”–”holocaust ™ “transference syndrome”. You see, children and grandchildren of jewish “holocaust ™” survivors are infected with this “disease” and should also be considered “holocaust ™” survivors, eligible for “holocaust ™” reparations. According to these jewish psychiatrists, even unrelated individuals can be “infected” with this “malady”.

    Since the Zionist jews declared war on Germany in 1933 (yes, 1933), the Germans had no choice but to complete the Zionist plan of marginalizing German jews (to say the least).. This fulfilled the Zionist plan of forcing German jews to emigrate to Palestine while making the world grant jews a “homeland”–Israel. It is interesting to note that the German boycott of jewish businesses lasted for one day, whil the jewish boycott (actually the jews’ declaration of war on Germany) started in 1933 and lasted until the summation of WW2.

    Zionists have been predicting a jewish “homeland” for the last two-hundred years while predicting a “holocaust ™” of 6 million for the same amount of time. The ACTUAL number of non-combatant deaths in the European theater of operations is approximately 731,000, NOT 6 million (official International Red Cross figures). The International Red Cross had full access to all of the camps for the duration of the war, yet reported NOT ONE INSTANCE of extermination or mass murder.

    Regarding that “holocaust ™” “showplace” Auschwitz, there are engineering inconsistencies in the design of the so-called “gas chambers”. The doors are not of a gas-tight design; it would have been impossible to retrieve the bodies, and there is no means to ventilate the rooms after the so-called “gassing” took place”. There is a “gas chamber” chimney that is not connected to anything. From an engineering standpoint, these are very serious errors that would have caused the deaths of the “operators” of these supposed “gas chambers”. As Germans were excellent engineers, it is difficult to observe the glaring engineering errors that presently exist in these “camps”.

    American execution expert, Fred Leuchter travelled to Auschwitz, surreptitiously obtained samples from the purported “gas chambers”, had them tested and published his results. The absence of Prussian blue (ferricyanide) in ALL of the samples, save one, was PROOF that the “gas chambers” did not exist. The one positive sample was taken from a room used to disinfect clothing. In fact, the “chimney” for the supposed “gas chamber” does not connect to anything.

    Mr. Leuchter’s was rewarded for his search for TRUTH by his professional and personal character assassination by those of the “tribe”. He lost all of his federal and state contracts, and was prosecuted under an obscure Massachusetts “law” for “practicing engineering without a license”–a law which had never been used vindictively before or since. . .After his report was published, he was harassed by Israeli “deep state” types (mossad) who he successfully “outed”.

    It is no secret that after WW2, the Soviets attempted to “create” the “death camps” for propaganda purposes. Yes, there was extreme deprivation and suffering–many people perished. The prime cause of death was typhus. As allied bombings destroyed most of the infrastructure, typhus was at epidemic levels. THIS is what caused the massive amounts of human deaths . . .NOT gassing.

    It is interesting to note that, before the camps were “liberated” by the “allies”, the camp occupants chose to flee with the German troops, rather than be “liberated” by the Russian “allies”.

    It is said that “the light of day is the best disinfectant in the search for truth” Unfortunately this quote does not apply to “all things holocaust ™”. It appears that there are those “holocaust ™” promoters who are afraid of the TRUTH. Hence the prosecution and incarceration of those who dare question aspects of this historical event.

    I urge all “holocaust ™” believers to check these things out for yourselves–IF YOU DARE. You will not like what you find…

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    There is NOT ONE DOCUMENT outlining any extermination plan for jews or others.
     
    Duh.

    There's no document for capitalism or economics or the Vietnam War either. Did they also not happen?

    But lack of any documentation is not really your point, is it? Since plenty of well-documented things like the moon-landing and 9/11 are denied by you as well.

    Try applying consistent reasoning to ideological issues and you won't feel so crazy all the time.
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  176. Erebus says:
    @Anonymous
    Has it not occurred to even the arrogant amateur that you are that there is no special advantage for a serious historian to refute the ragtag teams of denialists? Actually more likely to be seen as demeaning. It is as ignorant as thinking that, because some historian performs badly - as a convincing expert witness - under professional cross-examination, what he knows and writes about is discredited. (Have you ever been cross-examined by a $1000s an hour top trial lawyer, in the witness box or when deposing?).

    Doesn't the deportation of Jewish women, children and old people strike you as difficult to explain innocently?

    Actually more likely to be seen as demeaning.

    Given how much the Holocaust scholars who bring nothing to the table are feted, one would think anyone who brought incontrovertible proof would see even better treatment.

    (Have you ever been cross-examined by a $1000s an hour top trial lawyer, in the witness box or when deposing?).

    No idea what the lawyers involved were earning, but I’ve been under cross-examination several times. No big deal if you have the facts. BTW, Douglas Christie, Zundel’s lawyer in the Toronto trial was (in)famous for taking on free speech cases, often doing so pro bono or for greatly reduced fees. He was certainly not being paid $1000/hr.

    In any case, Hilberg did not “perform badly”, and I doubt any Holocaust historian could have done better. Quite simply, he was compelled to state in open court that his 3+ decades of research into the Holocaust had turned up zero, a conclusion he had come to himself prior to the trial.

    Doesn’t the deportation of Jewish women, children and old people strike you as difficult to explain innocently?

    Was it so difficult that an entire ecosystem of lies had to be concocted to explain it? A rational person looks for a simpler explanation than a physically impossible process, run on an industrial scale by ESP. History is filled to overflowing with deportations and ethnic cleansings. If you’re looking for a recent case, the Nakba might come to mind.

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    A rational person looks for a simpler explanation than a physically impossible process, run on an industrial scale by ESP.
     
    You do not define rational.

    You imply that you are rational (whatever that is) without offering any evidence.

    Me? I'm not looking for an explanation for any of this anymore than I'm looking for an explanation for why it is raining.

    History taught children will not change as a result of this thread. Thank God.
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  177. Erebus says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    This plowing through church-archives was in 1933-34, long before the Nuremberg Laws, which required this information.
     
    Yes, before Nuremberg laws, but AFTER Louis Brandeis's directive that "all Jews must leave Germany . . . all 587,000 German Jews . . ."

    Rabbi Stephen Wise records that conversation w/ Brandeis in his autobiography, The Challenging Years; he notes that it took place "within a fortnight of the Fuhrer's ascent to chancellorship" that is, by Feb. 14, 1933. It is significant that he stated a specific number of German Jews, since tens of thousands of Polish and Russian Jews had taken refuge in Germany to escape from turmoil in those places. Grynszpan and his family were just such Polish Jewish would-be refuge-seekers.

    German ambassador to USA Hans Luther explained that in addition to the over-representation of Jews in administrative posts, it was those alien, or non-German Jews that were especially troublesome in Germany in the Weimar years:


    [Luther] asserted that limitation of Jewish influence in Germany was being conducted with the greatest possible consideration toward the old native Jewish families who, he said; had proven themselves good Germans and indicated that it was directed against the Eastern European Jews who had overflooded the country since the War.
     
    https://www.jta.org/1933/05/26/archive/nazi-jewish-policies-political-not-religious-dr-luther-asserts

    “all Jews must leave Germany . . . all 587,000 German Jews . . .”

    Some clever fellow quipped:
    “Of the 2.4M Jews under Nazi occupation, 3.8M claimed Holocaust reparations. Sadly, the remaining 6M were lost.”

    I don’t remember who that fellow was, but the Holocaust narrative’s numbers have never stacked up. What does stack up are the numbers from camp records and the Red Cross. They’re rarely mentioned, of course.

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  178. @Wally
    No sources, just a Zionist talking. Which generally means lying.

    www.codoh.com

    That’s just lazy, Wally. Nowhere close to your best effort. What’s wrong?

    You are going to be dead soon and you still haven’t convinced a single person. Better get crackin’

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    Your dodged my point, which was:

    No sources, just a Zionist talking. Which generally means lying.

    So where are the sources?

    http://www.codoh.com
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  179. Art says:
    @Eric Zuesse
    How am I perpetuating "the 'six million lie'" if it is that, which I don't even know? I write about what I know about and can document with the most credible evidence that currently exists regarding the given matter. The number of Jews who were killed in the Holocaust isn't something that I've ever written about. It's not relevant to my book about the Holocaust. Furthermore, the ad-hominem comment about me, that I have "cousins" in Israel, also is false.

    The number of Jews who were killed in the Holocaust isn’t something that I’ve ever written about. It’s not relevant to my book about the Holocaust. Furthermore, the ad-hominem comment about me, that I have “cousins” in Israel, also is false.

    The following assumes that you are among the 95% of US Jews who support Israel’s existence.

    I too do not know the number of Jews killed in WWII. It was too many – one was to many.

    But I do not believe in ovens, and lamp shades, and soap. I think Jews have lied.

    Collectively Jews used that lie to advantage in Palestine, with impunity shooting off 13 year-old boy’s legs.

    Rational good honest people assume you are responsible for this wrong doing.

    Get used to it!

    Think Peace — Do No harm — Art

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    This is in response to “Art”s assumption that I am “among the 95% of US Jews who support Israel’s existence” — and that’s two false assumptions about me, not merely one.

    In http://washingtonsblog.com/2015/05/opinion-is-israel-americas-friend-or-americas-enemy.html
    I said: "Netanyahu has proven by actions, not mere words, that Israel is America’s enemy, refusing to do even what Israel had signed an American-sponsored accord in 1978 promising to do — and, now, at last, installing a government that is deeply committed to never complying with it.” How much more clearly could any American author express condemnation of Israel? I also said there: "The very idea of dual-citizenship, especially for a government official, is repugnant in any real democracy. Certainly, there ought to be a requirement for all individuals who are employed by the U.S. Government or by any U.S. Government contractor, to publicly renounce any other citizenship before being hired. That’s just basic. But, in any case, now that we know that Israel is an outright enemy of the United States, the public should be demanding the U.S. President and Congress to side with the Palestinians against Israel.”

    In http://washingtonsblog.com/2016/09/u-s-govt-donate-38b-enemy-nation.html
    I noted that "On 8 June 1967, Israel intentionally attacked and sank the USS Liberty, slaughtering 34 of our sailors, and injuring another 172.” I documented the official cover-up.

    To judge from the responses to the present article, most of the commenters here aren't anti-Israelis (as I am, because it’s an apartheid regime run by Jewish nazis some of whom are even blatant about their nazism, their racist fascism) but they are anti-Jews, simply bigots (like those Israelis are, but against different targets). Almost all of the reader-comments here are blatantly irrelevant to my article — the evidence and argument — that they’re pretending to be commenting upon. Irrelevant, and that’s shocking, but that’s most of them. That is simply pathetic. I didn't expect it.
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  180. @anarchyst
    There is NOT ONE DOCUMENT outlining any extermination plan for jews or others. In fact, prominent Zionists collaborated with the German government and formulated plans at the highest level of the German government for the “transfer” of jews to what was then known as Palestine. Absolutely nothing about extermination.

    Official International Red Cross figures for all camp “deaths” total around 731,000–NOT “6 million”. In fact, population totals pre-WW2 and post-WW2 show an INCREASE in the jewish population in post-WW2 Europe immediately after the cessation of the war…

    If a country were hell-bent on genocide, WHY WOULD IT KEEP RECORDS?? WHY would it build “camps” hundreds (if not thousands) of miles away with sanitary facilities, housing, medical, recreational and other ancillary facilities? Would it not have been easier to just “eliminate” them without going through all of this trouble? Why would they expend massive effort on logistical movement utilizing their limited energy resources if the goal was extermination? Things do not “add up”…

    Something BIG “stinks” in this whole jewish “holocaust ™” deal. It is no secret that jewish Zionists made “deals” with the German government in order to make life “uncomfortable” for jewish Germans. In fact, it was jewish Zionist leaders who first proposed that all jews wear the “yellow Star of David” armband so that they could be easily identified. German jews considered themselves Germans first and had no desire to emigrate.

    The establishment of a “homeland” along with the 6,000,000 figure was a Zionist “dream” since the 1800s. Many periodicals of the day starting with the 1800s touted the "six-million" figure.

    What better way to encourage “emigration” to a foreign land than to make things difficult for the “cream of German society” (jews)?? The TRUTH about the so-called jewish “holocaust ™” is out . . .

    As cremation of ONE human body takes hours, the amount of time claimed by holocaust ™ promoters is a physical, scientific and statistical impossibility. Their claims also do not account for the "downtime" that crematoria require for maintenance, etc. In addition, there are no mass burial sites that are commensurate with the claims of "six-million" or even "one-million". There is also a jewish prohibition on excavation of claimed possible burial sites. WHY?? Because THEY DO NOT EXIST. There is even a prohibition on the use of ground penetrating radar to search for burial sites. WHY?? If millions were gassed and cremated, the activities would have lasted well into the 1950s.

    The so-called jewish “holocaust ™” has been turned into a de-facto “religion” in which no deviation from orthodoxy is permitted. In fact, in most European countries, independent investigation into jewish “holocaust ™” truths is strictly forbidden under pain of fines and imprisonment. In the USA, things are not quite as bad, only job loss and personal and professional destruction at the hands of those of the “tribe” that FEAR the real truth of the jewish “holocaust ™” being exposed is evident. TRUTH CANNOT BE USED AS A DEFENSE OR ENTERED INTO EVIDENCE IN THE “KANGAROO COURTS” THAT PROSECUTE THOSE WHO DARE TO INVESTIGATE THIS HISTORICAL EVENT. A question for you “holocaust ™” promoters–why are there laws that criminalize the search for truth?? What are you afraid of??

    When the truth about this historical event comes out, it will change much of the world’s perception about those that are using this event as a “cash cow” that “keeps on giving”. . . “there’s NO business like “SHOAH business”. Zionist complicity in this event is carefully “covered up”.

    A good example of present-day censorship is the fate that awaits those that dare question “official” jewish “holocaust” orthodoxy. Most European countries have criminalized ANY line of thought that deviates from the “official” jewish “holocaust” story. WHY?? In fact, TRUTH is no defense when it comes to “all things holocaust ™”. Ask noted WW2 researcher David Irving, who was forced to recant TRUTH in order to avoid punishment.

    The latest "vicitms" of "holocaustianity ™" are Ursula Haverbeck and Monika Schaefer, both 80 plus-year-old grandmothers who have been prosecuted and sentenced to maximum-security prison in Germany for "incorrect thoughts".

    If people only knew of the planning that took place (among those of the “chosen”) to engineer the jewish “holocaust”, there would be a pogrom of massive size. You see, the jewish “holocaust” was necessary in order to force the establishment of a jewish state. In this case, the ENDS justified the MEANS. There have been many “holocausts” of much greater misery throughout human history, yet the jewish “holocaust ™” is the only one that counts . . . It is interesting to note that the term "holocaust ™" to mean "mass extermination" was never used during or immediately after WW2, only coming to vogue in the 1960s, when it was noted that "guilt" could be assigned and reparations could be procured.

    Look at the “commercialization of the so-called jewish “holocaust ™” while the much larger communist (true) holocaust is conveniently forgotten. To assure a continuing supply of jewish “holocaust ™” “survivors”, jews are tattooing their ATM (oops, I mean “camp” numbers) on their children and grandchildren. In addition, jewish psychologists have come up with a new concept, and “disease”–”holocaust ™ “transference syndrome". You see, children and grandchildren of jewish “holocaust ™” survivors are infected with this “disease” and should also be considered “holocaust ™” survivors, eligible for “holocaust ™” reparations. According to these jewish psychiatrists, even unrelated individuals can be "infected" with this "malady".

    Since the Zionist jews declared war on Germany in 1933 (yes, 1933), the Germans had no choice but to complete the Zionist plan of marginalizing German jews (to say the least).. This fulfilled the Zionist plan of forcing German jews to emigrate to Palestine while making the world grant jews a “homeland”–Israel. It is interesting to note that the German boycott of jewish businesses lasted for one day, whil the jewish boycott (actually the jews’ declaration of war on Germany) started in 1933 and lasted until the summation of WW2.

    Zionists have been predicting a jewish “homeland" for the last two-hundred years while predicting a “holocaust ™” of 6 million for the same amount of time. The ACTUAL number of non-combatant deaths in the European theater of operations is approximately 731,000, NOT 6 million (official International Red Cross figures). The International Red Cross had full access to all of the camps for the duration of the war, yet reported NOT ONE INSTANCE of extermination or mass murder.

    Regarding that “holocaust ™” “showplace” Auschwitz, there are engineering inconsistencies in the design of the so-called “gas chambers”. The doors are not of a gas-tight design; it would have been impossible to retrieve the bodies, and there is no means to ventilate the rooms after the so-called “gassing” took place”. There is a “gas chamber” chimney that is not connected to anything. From an engineering standpoint, these are very serious errors that would have caused the deaths of the “operators” of these supposed “gas chambers”. As Germans were excellent engineers, it is difficult to observe the glaring engineering errors that presently exist in these “camps”.

    American execution expert, Fred Leuchter travelled to Auschwitz, surreptitiously obtained samples from the purported “gas chambers”, had them tested and published his results. The absence of Prussian blue (ferricyanide) in ALL of the samples, save one, was PROOF that the “gas chambers” did not exist. The one positive sample was taken from a room used to disinfect clothing. In fact, the “chimney” for the supposed “gas chamber” does not connect to anything.

    Mr. Leuchter’s was rewarded for his search for TRUTH by his professional and personal character assassination by those of the “tribe”. He lost all of his federal and state contracts, and was prosecuted under an obscure Massachusetts “law” for “practicing engineering without a license”–a law which had never been used vindictively before or since. . .After his report was published, he was harassed by Israeli "deep state" types (mossad) who he successfully "outed".

    It is no secret that after WW2, the Soviets attempted to “create” the “death camps” for propaganda purposes. Yes, there was extreme deprivation and suffering–many people perished. The prime cause of death was typhus. As allied bombings destroyed most of the infrastructure, typhus was at epidemic levels. THIS is what caused the massive amounts of human deaths . . .NOT gassing.

    It is interesting to note that, before the camps were “liberated” by the “allies”, the camp occupants chose to flee with the German troops, rather than be “liberated” by the Russian “allies”.

    It is said that "the light of day is the best disinfectant in the search for truth" Unfortunately this quote does not apply to "all things holocaust ™". It appears that there are those "holocaust ™" promoters who are afraid of the TRUTH. Hence the prosecution and incarceration of those who dare question aspects of this historical event.

    I urge all “holocaust ™” believers to check these things out for yourselves–IF YOU DARE. You will not like what you find…

    There is NOT ONE DOCUMENT outlining any extermination plan for jews or others.

    Duh.

    There’s no document for capitalism or economics or the Vietnam War either. Did they also not happen?

    But lack of any documentation is not really your point, is it? Since plenty of well-documented things like the moon-landing and 9/11 are denied by you as well.

    Try applying consistent reasoning to ideological issues and you won’t feel so crazy all the time.

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    refute anything I have stated...trouble is, you can't. Stop drinking the holocaustianity ™ kool-aid and see the world as it is...
    , @Erebus

    There’s no document for capitalism or economics or the Vietnam War either. Did they also not happen?... plenty of well-documented things like the moon-landing and 9/11 are denied by you as well.
     
    In the 1st place there's mountains of documents on capitalism, economics and the Vietnam War. Some, such as The Pentagon Papers are notorious. In the 2nd place, "well-documented" does not have the same meaning as having been "written about and disseminated by lots of people." In fact, the latter is an oft-used strategy to hide a lack of the former.

    As you're "... not looking for an explanation for any of this anymore than I’m looking for an explanation for why it is raining." (@183) one wonders why you're here complaining that the explanations aren't satisfactory. Incurious persons usually avoid such discussions, preferring to not look for explanations quietly by themselves.
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  181. Wally says:
    @Eric Zuesse
    “The teachings of Christ have laid the foundations for the battle
    against Jews as the enemy of Mankind; the work that Christ began, I shall
    finish.”
    Adolf Hitler, speech to his followers, December 18, 1926

    Please provide the original German document for this claimed ‘translation’.

    You cannot. Your text is fraudulent.

    http://www.codoh.com

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    I translated these from the German in the German National Library's official publication. I might still have somewhere the original German version, but not ready-at-hand now. Where reliable English translations existed, I cited the source as in that English source, but some were speeches etc. that aren't in any of the English-language-translated collections.
    , @Eric Zuesse
    Here I found it, on page 53 of my book, the quotation and the source where I had found it (and from which I provided the English translation) and then on page 68, more of the same type, and I paste all of this here from my WHY the Holocaust Happened:

    p. 53:
    “The teachings of Christ have laid the foundations for the battle against Jews as the enemy of Mankind; the work that Christ began, I shall finish.” Thus did Hitler summarize his mission, addressing his followers on 18 December 1926, in a speech to the Nazi Party (Bärbel Dusik, ed., Hitler: Reden, Schriften, Anordnungen, v. 2, 1992, pp. 105–6). He was speaking to people he viewed as supporters, not as enemies; so it came from the heart, it expressed his true convictions. Similarly, prior to his power struggle with the churches culminating in 1937, Hitler felt that the Roman Catholic church, and the other Christian denominations, were “my people,” not “outsiders,” much less “the enemy.” So it was with sincerity that Hitler, at the beginning of his reign, reassured Bishop Berning in conversation on 26 April 1933, “I am doing what the Church has done for 1,500 years. I am simply finishing the job.” (Hans Müller, Katholische Kirche und Nationalsozialismus: Dokumente 1930–1935, 1963, pp. 118–9.)
    p. 68:
    Hitler’s religious sense of mission was by no means restricted solely to the Holocaust, such as his expression in Mein Kampf (1939, p. 84; 1943, p. 65) that, “by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.”
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  182. Wally says:
    @Eric Zuesse
    For example: Hitler in 1922 told a journalist Joseph Hell (I quote this on page 77, then discuss on pages 82-83 the context in which he said this in conversation, to impress the man, but not to publish it, just on background so that he could understand the Nazi Party), “Once I am in power, my first and foremost task will be the annihilation of the Jews. As soon as I have the power to do so, I will have gallows built in rows — as many as traffic allows. Then the Jews will be hanging indiscriminately, and they will remain hanging until they stink. ... As soon as they have been untied, the next batch will be strung up, and so on, ... until all Germany has been cleaned of Jews.” Little over a year later, Hitler wrote into Mein Kampf (1939, p. 946; 1943, p. 651) that the “elimination” of Jews must be “by the sword” and “bloody.”

    Please show us the original German language Mein Kampf which says that.

    You cannot. Your text is fraudulent.

    No proof, no ‘holocaust’.

    The ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the ‘holocaust’ scam debunked here: http://codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here: http://forum.codoh.com

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  183. @Erebus

    Actually more likely to be seen as demeaning.
     
    Given how much the Holocaust scholars who bring nothing to the table are feted, one would think anyone who brought incontrovertible proof would see even better treatment.

    (Have you ever been cross-examined by a $1000s an hour top trial lawyer, in the witness box or when deposing?).
     
    No idea what the lawyers involved were earning, but I've been under cross-examination several times. No big deal if you have the facts. BTW, Douglas Christie, Zundel's lawyer in the Toronto trial was (in)famous for taking on free speech cases, often doing so pro bono or for greatly reduced fees. He was certainly not being paid $1000/hr.

    In any case, Hilberg did not "perform badly", and I doubt any Holocaust historian could have done better. Quite simply, he was compelled to state in open court that his 3+ decades of research into the Holocaust had turned up zero, a conclusion he had come to himself prior to the trial.

    Doesn’t the deportation of Jewish women, children and old people strike you as difficult to explain innocently?
     
    Was it so difficult that an entire ecosystem of lies had to be concocted to explain it? A rational person looks for a simpler explanation than a physically impossible process, run on an industrial scale by ESP. History is filled to overflowing with deportations and ethnic cleansings. If you're looking for a recent case, the Nakba might come to mind.

    A rational person looks for a simpler explanation than a physically impossible process, run on an industrial scale by ESP.

    You do not define rational.

    You imply that you are rational (whatever that is) without offering any evidence.

    Me? I’m not looking for an explanation for any of this anymore than I’m looking for an explanation for why it is raining.

    History taught children will not change as a result of this thread. Thank God.

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  184. bjondo says:
    @Eric Zuesse
    “The teachings of Christ have laid the foundations for the battle
    against Jews as the enemy of Mankind; the work that Christ began, I shall
    finish.”
    Adolf Hitler, speech to his followers, December 18, 1926

    At 166 and 167

    Apparently Adolph changed. The blood spilled by lice not gallows nor gas nor sword.

    If your quotes are true (I doubt such but anyway), seems AH changed his mind to moving Jew elsewhere.

    Hard to change Jew belief in FINAL SOLUTIONS. Brainwashed from pre womb unto death.

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    Hard to change Jew belief in FINAL SOLUTIONS. Brainwashed from pre womb unto death.

    Tribal Jews are child abusers – they abuse their children!

    It is traumatic to young minds to hear that everyone wants to kill then, over and over and over. That is what little Jews hear from a very young age. It is clear that they can never recover. In time, they do the same thing to their children.

    This has been going on for thousands of years. That is the Jew culture.

    Think Peace --- Do No Harm --- Art
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  185. @nickels
    It is inevitable that Christianity should play a role in the jew's conceptualization of his race's imaginary crucifixion upon the German's sword. This is a matter of simple projection: the jew's very identity is the rejection of Christ, the rejection of Logos. Not race, not religion, not culture or anything else.
    Their slander against the Germans is not personal, unlike the hatred for Christian Russia-Germany was merely chosen as a sacrifice necessary to bring about the myth of the birthing of the jewish messiah, i.e. the jewish people, via the holocaust.
    Zuesse is at least honest in his lies. He goes straight to the heart of the matter and lays out the choice for everyone to make:
    Either the evil Christ of the Christians, with their foot soldier Hitler, or the brilliant messianic jewish people with their supreme wisdom and everlasting goodness in bringing about a world of gayness, usury, communism and transgenderism, i.e a world that is healed, tikkun Olam.

    And he is right. That is the choice.
    Except that we know Christ is the true messiah and that the jewish alternative is the antichrist and death.

    Pray for him.

    Spot-on analysis.

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  186. Mulegino1 says:

    This greatest lie of all time depends upon a mountain of lies, outrageous exaggerations and monstrous judicial injustices and the persecution of dissent from the false narrative. The so called factual foundations of the Holocaust legend are, as with any false narrative, almost entirely Procrustean in nature, i.e., they are made to fit around the fixed “6 million” number, which, of course, has been proven impossible.

    We know for a fact that even the downward revision of 4 million to 1.2 million victims at Auschwitz-Birkenau is a gross exaggeration, and that both the authentic camp records as well as the physical evidence indicate that no more than a little over 100,000 (of all races, religions and nationalities- and of all causes) could have died there due to the impossibility, from a technical and logistical perspective, of the testimonies of the so called “eyewitnesses.”

    We know for a fact that there are no mass graves and no massive outdoor cremations at Treblinka II, and that 800,000 Jews were not killed there with the ridiculous extermination by gassing with non-lethal diesel exhaust. (Of course now it is claimed to have been internal combustion exhaust, since those who crafted the legend had no eye for such details.) There is almost literally nothing at the site of Treblinka II but cenotaphs and claims of scattered ashes- nothing like what would be found at a real “industrial scale mass murder” site.

    Ditto for Sobibor, Majdanek and the rest of the so called “extermination camps.”

    Remember when it was all about Bergen Belsen and Dachau? Funny how, over the years, the “extermination legend” migrated eastward behind the Iron Curtain.

    Remember how it was Jews thrown into ovens and Jewish babies supposedly dumped into burning pits? Then it became “death by gassing in “fake’” showers. Then it became a “Holocaust by bullets” on the Eastern Front.

    The “Holocaust” legend cannot be falsified because it refuses to submit to empirical exaggeration and cloaks itself in the mantle of pseudo-religious and pseud0-mystical language. Once it is reduced to merely factual and empirical level, it crumbles.

    There was never any plan by Hitler, Himmler, the National Socialist state or the German people to murder all of the Jews of Europe. The issue was to remove the Jews from Germany through emigration and, if necessary, by forceful resettlement, which is why the Madagascar Plan was envisioned. Once the war started, the plan had to be modified to suit the needs of Germany at war with most of the industrialized nations of the earth, so many Jews were conscripted for labor and interned, just like American citizens of Japanese descent. The United States hinterlands were not seriously affected at all by the war, but Germany was literally destroyed by it. It is quite logical to suppose that those interned in the camps were also victims of war, in particular the Allied bombing offensives. How many alleged “victims of the evil Germans” were actually killed by the Allied air offensive or the Red Army?

    The Luther Memorandum from the German Foreign Ministry of August, 1942 stated unambiguously, inter alia: “…after the war, the Jews will have to leave Europe. This is the unalterable decision of the Fuehrer…” If the Jews would have to leave Europe after the war, then it is clear that there was no program of industrial scale mass murder being applied to them.

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    That should read: "empirical examination..."
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  187. FKA Max says: • Website
    @Eric Zuesse
    For example: Hitler in 1922 told a journalist Joseph Hell (I quote this on page 77, then discuss on pages 82-83 the context in which he said this in conversation, to impress the man, but not to publish it, just on background so that he could understand the Nazi Party), “Once I am in power, my first and foremost task will be the annihilation of the Jews. As soon as I have the power to do so, I will have gallows built in rows — as many as traffic allows. Then the Jews will be hanging indiscriminately, and they will remain hanging until they stink. ... As soon as they have been untied, the next batch will be strung up, and so on, ... until all Germany has been cleaned of Jews.” Little over a year later, Hitler wrote into Mein Kampf (1939, p. 946; 1943, p. 651) that the “elimination” of Jews must be “by the sword” and “bloody.”

    With this very thing in mind I scanned the revolutionary events of history and put the question to myself against which racial element in Germany can I unleash my propaganda of hate with the greatest prospects of success? I had to find the right kind of victim, and especially one against whom the struggle would make sense, materially speaking. I can assure you that I examined every possible and thinkable solution to this problem, and, weighing every imaginable factor, I came to the conclusion that a campaign against the Jews would be as popular as it would be successful.[4]

    Thus, according to this, Hitler allegedly confessed that his anti-Semitism was mostly faked and simply a propaganda method used in order to gain power, which is an unusual view and seldom mentioned by those who selectively quote only the first quote as alleged evidence of Hitler’s early, murderously intended anti-Semitism.

    Also less often mentioned is that Josef Hell wrote down the alleged quote in its present form only in 1945, more than twenty years later.[5] It is thus not a text published long before the Holocaust but only after the occurrence of widespread Allied atrocity propaganda. Even if assuming no deliberate fabrication by Josef Hell, he is arguably an unreliable source considering the unreliable and easily influenced human memory.

    Furthermore, Josef Hell was a journalist who worked with Fritz Gerlich, a major opponent of Hitler and the editor of the anti-National Socialist newspaper Der Gerade Weg. Gerlich was arrested and later killed during the Night of the Long Knives. Josef Hell was thus no impartial witness and may have fabricated the quote or parts of it.

    https://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Alleged_statements_by_Hitler_on_the_Holocaust#Josef_Hell_interview Archived link: http://archive.is/qHa5F

    Also this:

    Hitler’s Table Talk, October 1941

    “From the rostrum of the Reichstag, I prophesied to Jewry that, in the event of war’s proving inevitable, the Jew would disappear from Europe. That race of criminals has on its conscience the two million dead of the First World War, and now already hundreds and thousands more. Let nobody tell me that all the same we can’t park them in the marshy parts of Russia! Who’s worrying about our troops? It’s not a bad idea, by the way, that public rumor attributes to us a plan to exterminate the Jews. Terror is a salutary thing.” (quoted in John Toland, Adolf Hitler. London: Book Club Associates, 1977, p.702-3)

    https://phdn.org/archives/www.ess.uwe.ac.uk/genocide/statements.htm

    I personally interpret this statement as implying that there is no intention to physically exterminate Jews (or only to a very limited extent), but, by way of rumor, to terrorize them (not a good and kind thing to subject someone to either, of course) and to strike fear and terror into their hearts and souls through this “public rumor”, and thus to encourage Jews to “self-deport”, see a similar principle/strategy applied in “Operation Wetback”

    This included many illegal immigrants who fled to Mexico fearing arrest; over half a million from Texas alone.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Wetback#Implementation_and_tactics

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    Commenter Wally is correct http://www.unz.com/article/against-david-irvings-view-of-hitler/#comment-2375601 the English Table Talks translation is not very accurate; following the German original passage of the English Table Talks excerpt I quoted above. There is no mention of a "public rumor" in the German original nor of "marshy parts of Russia", and this original German passage actually makes Hitler seem more homicidally intentioned towards Jews than the English version conveys:

    Führerhauptquartier
    25. 10. 1941, abends
    Gäste: RFSS Himmler
    Obergruppenführer Heydrich 119
    H/Fu.
    Vor dem Reichstag habe ich dem Judentum prophezeit,120 der Jude werde aus Europa
    verschwinden, wenn der Krieg nicht vermieden bleibt. Diese Verbrecherrasse hat die zwei 85
    Millionen Toten des Weltkrieges auf dem Gewissen, jetzt wieder Hunderttausende. Sage mir
    keiner: Wir können sie doch nicht in den Morast schicken! Wer kümmert sich denn um unsere
    Menschen? Es ist gut, wenn uns der Schrecken vorangeht, daß wir das Judentum ausrotten.
    Der Versuch, einen Judenstaat zu gründen, wird ein Fehlschlag sein.
     
    - pp. 84-85 http://der-fuehrer.org/bucher/deutsch/Adolf%20Hitler%20-%20Monologe%20im%20Fuehrerhauptquartier%201941-1944.pdf

    Here is a better and more accurate translation:


    16.4 On 25 October Hitler made the following remark at his table talk, after he had once again made mention of his "prophecy" of 30 January 1939:

    This criminal race has the two million dead from the World War on its conscience, now again hundreds of thousands. No one can say to me: we can't send them in the morass! Who then cares about our people? It is good if the terror we are exterminating Jewry goes before us.149
     

    - https://www.hdot.org/longrole/#longRole16.4_n149
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  188. anon[107] • Disclaimer says:
    @Colin Wright
    '...But what if it did not happen ?'

    It happened. In 1939, there were 9.5 million Jews in Europe; in 1945 there were 3.8 million. 5.7 million Jews vanished. Where did they go?

    There are lots of interesting arguments and discussions to have about World War Two, Nazism, Hitler, etc, etc. However, whether or not the Holocaust in fact happened is not one of them. You might as well question the existence of Australia.

    It happened. In 1939, there were 9.5 million Jews in Europe; in 1945 there were 3.8 million. 5.7 million Jews vanished. Where did they go?

    5.7 million Jews had Jewish mothers-in-law.

    What would you do if you had a Jewish mil and a situation of chaos enabling you to disappear & start a new life — no alimony, no child support, no lawyers, therapists, rabbis haranguing you — you’re 18 again and the world is your oyster K

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  189. anon[107] • Disclaimer says:
    @Skeptikal
    And another thing not to forget:
    Germany after 1933 evolved quite quickly into a totalitarian state. That was the reason that many chose to leave, not because they foresaw the Final Solution (obviously, the word "Final" is a hint as to the role of this "solution" in the big picture). The Reich wanted to reeducate the politically wayward if they could, and forcibly expatriate the others. This continued well in 1937-38.

    Thus, people could collect Brownie points for denouncing others for various crimes, and of course Jews were particularly vulnerable to being denounced for something. If they had any assets, the denunciations could channel money to the state, or a local authority or party official, and also there was a trickle-down effect to the denouncers. And, some denouncers were actually youths who had been indoctrinated in various ways via the new Nazi youth groups (after Gleichschaltung that took place from 1933 to approximately 1935 and eliminated all traces of German civil society) and were "true believers" who swallowed the Aryan story. Not that different from the ISIS zealots.

    Are you making this up as you go along or is it based on evidence? If the latter, put it on the table

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    Making up what?
    Gleichschaltung?
    Totalitarian?
    SS was in charge of the concentration camps?

    You sound very ignorant and very silly.

    , @Skeptikal
    Here is a good article on the SS and the economic function of the concentration camps:
    https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007399

    Of course, Jews and others were killed outside of concentration camps.
    Many of them by Einsatzgruppen.
    , @Skeptikal
    Here is an article that explains the evolution of "solutions" to the Jewish question and the phase during which Jews were incarcerated in camps with the aim of getting them to emigrate (and leave their assets behind), which I referenced and which I have read about in a number of memoirs.
    https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007403

    Not to mention that I know of some of these issues from my own family history.
    HTH, Ignoramus Anon.
    No, go out and educate your own little self.

    , @Anon
    He seems to be one of the best informed people on this thread. You, correspondingly must be pig ignorant.
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  190. Karl says:
    @Myname
    Watch David Cole's Auschwitz document, I agree with noseytheDuke. It also doesn't make sense for the Germans to waste energy in transportation of Jews to the "Arbeit macht Frei" camps.

    55 Myname > It also doesn’t make sense for the Germans to waste energy in transportation of Jews

    you’re correct – but the decision was made by the same people who felt that invading Russia was sensible

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    Your statement reveals your complete ignorance of the subject.

    In view of the actual facts, as opposed to cheap war propaganda, the decision of the National Socialist regime to attack the Soviet Union was indeed, sensible.
    Many historians, including many Russians, have reached that conclusion.

    http://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-when-stalin-almost-conquered-europe/

    Under the comments, my post #527, discusses the motives that led to Operation Barbarossa, more or less in chronological order.
    , @Wizard of Oz
    Perhaps a better explanation than the mindset which launched an attack on the USSR is the amazing incompetemce at high levels that the brilliant erratic drugged up autodidact psychopath presided over. Individual Germans were amazing in what they achieved but there were separate antagonistic intellligence services, the drug addict Goering's boast led Luftwaffe failures, and, not least the almost parallel government that was the SS under Himmler and Heydrich.

    Even after Speer took over the remarkably undermobilised Gertman armament industry the SS remained independent of his complete control.

    Supposing Hitler is only absolutely clear that he wants to deal sometome, permanently, so far as it affects Europe, there was plenty of scope for Himmler and Heydrich to carry out decisions at a Wannsee style management conference. Hitler was enough of a modern politician to know what dissembling was desirable and, despite his numetous ridiculous orders to his armies he could be an opportinist.
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  191. Wally says:
    @Johnny Rico
    That's just lazy, Wally. Nowhere close to your best effort. What's wrong?

    You are going to be dead soon and you still haven't convinced a single person. Better get crackin'

    Your dodged my point, which was:

    No sources, just a Zionist talking. Which generally means lying.

    So where are the sources?

    http://www.codoh.com

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  192. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Colin Wright
    '...But what if it did not happen ?'

    It happened. In 1939, there were 9.5 million Jews in Europe; in 1945 there were 3.8 million. 5.7 million Jews vanished. Where did they go?

    There are lots of interesting arguments and discussions to have about World War Two, Nazism, Hitler, etc, etc. However, whether or not the Holocaust in fact happened is not one of them. You might as well question the existence of Australia.

    Censuses are done every 10 years. So there would have been no censuses done in 1945 especially as the allies had invaded the continent, the Russians on their way to Germany and the worst fighting was going on.

    If you’re citing a Jewish source, it’s most probably a lie.

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  193. Anonymous[255] • Disclaimer says:

    The leading Jewish American groups and Israel have always been complicit with Turkey in denying the Armenian Genocide committed by Turkey and defeating Armenian Genocide resolutions in Congress.

    The author does not mention any of this. I wonder what he thinks.

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    193 Anonymous[255] > The leading Jewish American groups and Israel have always been complicit with Turkey in denying the Armenian Genocide committed by Turkey


    there's no denial. There are decisions to not run one's mouth
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  194. Wally says:
    @Momus

    “Eichmann....flywheel of the extermination machine.”
     
    Benthic Wally... flywheel of the denier/liar machine.

    Here are real documents, real history for panicked Momus, everyone else read the entire post below and learn:
    “Mr Reich Minister Lammers informed me that the Führer had repeatedly declared to him that he wants to hear that the Solution of the Jewish Problem has been postponed until after the war is over. That being so, the current discussions are of purely theoretical value, in Mr Reich Minister Lammers’ opinion. He will moreover take pains to ensure that, whatever else happens, no fundamental decisions are taken without his knowledge in consequence of a surprise briefing by any third party.”

    Document’s origins. Schlegelberger’s undated minute on Lammer’s reference to Hitler’s ruling is in German Federal Archives (BA) file R.22/52. It was sent to Staatssekretär Freisler and two other officials (bottom left). This document has been published in facsimile in David Irving’s books Hitler’s War, Goebbels. Mastermind of the Third Reich, and Nuremberg, the Last Battle. It was definitely dated March or April 1942. Lammers was in Berlin on April 26, 1942. See Scheel’s report on a talk between Lammers and Meissner after the final session that day (T175/139/7479 et seq.)
    in support of the Schlegelberger Document see the Luther Memorandum:

    http://www.codoh.com/library/document/154/

    Hitler, the ‘Final Solution,’ and the Luther Memorandum
    A Response to Evans and Longerich
    excerpt:
    “On the occasion of a reception by the Reich Foreign Minister on 26 November 1941 the Bulgarian Foreign Minister Popoff touched on the problem of according like treatment to the Jews of European nationalities and pointed out the difficulties that the Bulgarians had in the application of their Jewish laws to Jews of foreign nationality.”

    “The Reich Foreign Minister answered that he thought this question brought by Mr. Popoff not uninteresting. Even now he could say one thing to him, that at the end of the war all Jews would have to leave Europe. This was the unalterable decision of the Fuehrer and also the only way to master this problem, as only a global and comprehensive solution could be applied and individual measures would not help very much.

    http://www.codoh.com

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    Great post wally. I already referred to the famous Lammers quote that Adolf Hitler said the final solution should be put on the back burner. So far Zuesse hasn't responded to this evidence.

    The fact of the matter is that the evidence for a Hitler command to exterminate the jews is ambiguous. We have clear evidence against such a decision and less clear evidence for such a decision - Himmler's infamous Posen speeches.
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  195. Karl says:
    @MrB
    Really? I don't understand that logic.

    The Palestinian holocaust is in full view of the world and cannot be doubted. The other one well er...

    90 MrB > The Palestinian holocaust is in full view of the world and cannot be doubted

    there are scores of UN bureaucrats making good salaries in Gaza, assisting the Palestinians to breed like rabbits.

    That’s no holocaust.

    The Rohingya would cut your head off to get as well taken care of as the people in Gaza are.

    PS: Gaza belongs to the Copts. It will someday be returned to them.

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  196. Art says:
    @bjondo
    At 166 and 167

    Apparently Adolph changed. The blood spilled by lice not gallows nor gas nor sword.

    If your quotes are true (I doubt such but anyway), seems AH changed his mind to moving Jew elsewhere.

    Hard to change Jew belief in FINAL SOLUTIONS. Brainwashed from pre womb unto death.

    Hard to change Jew belief in FINAL SOLUTIONS. Brainwashed from pre womb unto death.

    Tribal Jews are child abusers – they abuse their children!

    It is traumatic to young minds to hear that everyone wants to kill then, over and over and over. That is what little Jews hear from a very young age. It is clear that they can never recover. In time, they do the same thing to their children.

    This has been going on for thousands of years. That is the Jew culture.

    Think Peace — Do No Harm — Art

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    "I owe my permission to submit the Zionist plan for the final solution of the Jewish Question."

    - 'Father of political Zionism' Theodor Herzl, letter to the Czar, November 22, 1899.
     
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  197. @Art

    The number of Jews who were killed in the Holocaust isn’t something that I’ve ever written about. It’s not relevant to my book about the Holocaust. Furthermore, the ad-hominem comment about me, that I have “cousins” in Israel, also is false.
     
    The following assumes that you are among the 95% of US Jews who support Israel’s existence.

    I too do not know the number of Jews killed in WWII. It was too many – one was to many.

    But I do not believe in ovens, and lamp shades, and soap. I think Jews have lied.

    Collectively Jews used that lie to advantage in Palestine, with impunity shooting off 13 year-old boy’s legs.

    Rational good honest people assume you are responsible for this wrong doing.

    Get used to it!

    Think Peace --- Do No harm --- Art

    This is in response to “Art”s assumption that I am “among the 95% of US Jews who support Israel’s existence” — and that’s two false assumptions about me, not merely one.

    In http://washingtonsblog.com/2015/05/opinion-is-israel-americas-friend-or-americas-enemy.html
    I said: “Netanyahu has proven by actions, not mere words, that Israel is America’s enemy, refusing to do even what Israel had signed an American-sponsored accord in 1978 promising to do — and, now, at last, installing a government that is deeply committed to never complying with it.” How much more clearly could any American author express condemnation of Israel? I also said there: “The very idea of dual-citizenship, especially for a government official, is repugnant in any real democracy. Certainly, there ought to be a requirement for all individuals who are employed by the U.S. Government or by any U.S. Government contractor, to publicly renounce any other citizenship before being hired. That’s just basic. But, in any case, now that we know that Israel is an outright enemy of the United States, the public should be demanding the U.S. President and Congress to side with the Palestinians against Israel.”

    In http://washingtonsblog.com/2016/09/u-s-govt-donate-38b-enemy-nation.html
    I noted that “On 8 June 1967, Israel intentionally attacked and sank the USS Liberty, slaughtering 34 of our sailors, and injuring another 172.” I documented the official cover-up.

    To judge from the responses to the present article, most of the commenters here aren’t anti-Israelis (as I am, because it’s an apartheid regime run by Jewish nazis some of whom are even blatant about their nazism, their racist fascism) but they are anti-Jews, simply bigots (like those Israelis are, but against different targets). Almost all of the reader-comments here are blatantly irrelevant to my article — the evidence and argument — that they’re pretending to be commenting upon. Irrelevant, and that’s shocking, but that’s most of them. That is simply pathetic. I didn’t expect it.

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    This is in response to “Art”s assumption that I am “among the 95% of US Jews who support Israel’s existence” — and that’s two false assumptions about me, not merely one.

    It appears that I have made a mistake about you and Israel. You are not responsible for the Palestinian boy's lose of his leg.

    I am sorry - I apologize --- please forgive me --- Art
    , @Wizard of Oz
    Can your book be found online? If not Amazon maybe in Ron Unz's archive? You could relieve him of any Copyright problems he might forsee.
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  198. Skeptikal says:
    @anon
    Are you making this up as you go along or is it based on evidence? If the latter, put it on the table

    Making up what?
    Gleichschaltung?
    Totalitarian?
    SS was in charge of the concentration camps?

    You sound very ignorant and very silly.

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  199. Karl says:
    @Art
    Mr. Zuesse perpetuates the “six million lie” so his slimy cousins in Israel can do this.

    Palestinian teen shot by Israeli soldier: 'My leg is gone'

    More than half of 15,000 total injuries in Gaza demos since March 30 are from explosive bullets, leading to amputation.

    by Maram Humaid
    14 Jun 2018


    "I took my slingshot with me," Abdullah, a skinny boy of 13, told Al Jazeera. "A few people were in the area, and everything was calm."

    "I went near the fence and starting throwing rocks," he said, sitting in his wheelchair. "Then as I started to climb the fence, I saw an Israeli soldier hiding in the bushes."

    Abdullah's immediate reaction was to step down from the fence and run away, but before he could do that, the soldier shot him in the left thigh with an explosive bullet at close range.

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/06/palestinian-teen-shot-israeli-soldier-leg-180612201751173.html
     
    Think Peace --- Do No harm --- Art

    170 Art > “I took my slingshot with me,”

    the kid was not hunting for food

    who will Art applaud next – Salvadoran gang members who climb the border fence in Texas?

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    170 Art > “I took my slingshot with me,”

    the kid was not hunting for food
     
    The 13 year-old boy had a slingshot --- the Jew shot his leg off with a rifle with an explosive bullet.

    And YOU blame the boy --- Shame shame!

    Think Peace --- Do No harm --- Maintain Hope, Love, Truth, & Idealism --- Art
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  200. L.K says:

    Absolute garbage this article.

    For people who are well informed, the piece is actually utterly cringeworthy.
    Even professional holohoax “historians” would be embarassad..

    But then again, no surprises there; this Eric Zuesse individual had the nerve to tell us in the comment section under another article, that in order to disabuse ourselves from Irving and evil “deniers”, we should watch the 2016 movie Denial, based on Deborah Lipstadt’s book, a useless Zionist charlatan! A movie!!!

    What a clown this guy is!

    Not to mention that he writes that 9/11 really was an inside job, but a Bush/Cheney/Saudi op, Israel had nothing to do with it!

    Eric Zuesse == Disinformation agent, controlled opposition, charlatan.

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    • Replies: @Them Guys
    Ever since Klintons NAFTA destructions of good jobs in usa, along with the Marxist jewdeo dumb down efforts in public schools and university students in America, which leaves most grads with little ability to get the few remaining jobs.

    There is One major method left within America to attain prosperity and even vast wealth. That is to agree with ziojewrys holohoax scams, agree with every possible jew agenda, and basically keep ones head firmly planted up jewish ass.....And in doing such, one can realize a hope of a book deal, job on talmudvision aka TV the electronic rabbi msm news shows as a "expert talker", or if very good at promoting everything jewish, a movie part in the latest upcoming blockbuster movie of Speilburgs "Swindlers List-Part II". Where in, this famous movie maker shows absolute proof of how a small 7 year old jewish boy was able to escape gassings a dozen times by, holding his breath for Ten min. while dragging dead adult sized bodies of jews gassed, over to below a Window in Gas Chamber stupid Nazis Forgot to Lock!....Then small 7 year old jewish boy could simply scale pile of dead bodies he dragged to unlocked window and climb Out to safety!.....Oy Vey say top jewish Hollywood movie critics!


    This may explain how even today with tons of evidence and refutations which prove so much of what we were taught to believe about the hoax scam claims by jews, and lies of WWII also from usa govnt official story. There are still many folks writing books and articles trying to convince the awake crowd to Return to the flock of total belief in whatever any so called "Survivah jew" claims, and to never dare question any govnt official story on WWII or Holojewry.
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  201. Thomm says:
    @RealAmericanValuesCirca1776Not1965

    I say it is outright, self-evident inferiority of defective whites
     
    Well, I don't think that anyone here will argue that you are a qualified expert on being inferior and defective to the point of self-evidence. You are an undeniable master of unhealthy obsessions. Each successive comment you post on this site serves only to further cement that truth.

    That said, Uncle Thomm, your blatant obsession with white 'trashionalists' is very heavy handed. Yet you don't seem to see it. You just trudge on, accusing others of being defective and inferior, all while somehow remaining utterly blind to the irony of your own words. Never actually having anything relevant to say. But never forgetting to top your posts off with a reminder to everyone about how you are white yourself . You really seem to go out of your way to reinforce that part. More than any actual white person realistically ever would, in fact. Mostly because believing that stating your skin color will in turn add some otherwise missing degree of substance or validation to their claims is a notoriously... shall we say 'negro' thing to do in America.

    mainstream whites like me.
     
    Oh, you so fly, mainstream white! Tell us how it do!

    Even among the delinquent Left, terms like 'white trashionalist' remain largely American negro buzz words only. 'AmeriKKKa' is another such example.

    And to use a source like Roosh to validate your own petty racism! How comically par for the course. ACTUAL scientists and their professional study of the differences between the races is just so.... racist, after all! Bunch of white trashionalists in lab coats, am I right? So why not just rely on some equally credible secondary sources, like swarthy Arab pick up artists. 10/10 my friend. Sound logic for... for a negro searching desperately for anything to assuage his own inferiority complex in lieu of valid science. /sarc

    Which brings me to my point. Despite your constant posturing, I highly doubt that anyone here actually believes you are white. I mean, if it's all just a mental hoop you have to jump through to psyche yourself up when you come here to talk your crap, then you do you. But I don't think anyone else is buying it. You can say you don't care, but you obviously do. The only thing you do as intensely as you throw around the term 'white trashionalist' around here is try to remind everyone else that you are white. I don't think you realize how obvious you are being. Which is hard to believe.

    That, and your rhetoric in general stinks of envy and you project like a dime-a-dozen college Red Guard zealot reading his social justice essay from the designated white-free campus safe space where he spends his time petting puppies and practicing how to properly draw the swastikas he intends to scribble in feces somewhere on campus and blame on the 'white trashionalists' to get media attention.

    Odds are overwhelming that you are black, that you feel inferior about yourself and your own race, and that those feelings have manifested as envious hatred towards the whites you come here to vent at by lambasting them with your petty hatred for daring to have their own identity like everyone else on the planet is entitled to. And then pathetically attempting to hide your tracks behind a digital 'white face' mask in a cheap bid to add some non-existent legitimacy to your petulant criticisms, and in turn (hopefully) avoid your fragile ego suffering any return fire from the community here, whom it seems you know would readily and irrefutably eviscerate that fragile disposition of yours even worse than they still do now if you were to (proudly?) admit you were black while speaking your hateful mind here.

    Good times, Uncle Thomm.

    That is a lot of words in which to say nothing.

    Remember that you are an example of the Dunning-Kruger effect. That is why you will never come to terms with the fact that you are not part of the functional white race, but rather a member of the defective subrace where genetic waste matter is quarantined off. The men of this race become WN wiggers like you, and the women become fat bluehaired feminists.

    Odds are overwhelming that you are black, that you feel inferior about yourself and your own race, and that those feelings have manifested as envious hatred towards the whites you come here to vent at

    Thanks for proving that you have the reading comprehension expected of a 70-IQ wigger such as yourself. I endlessly praise the other 80% of whites (my group), while aiming to make sure that the defective group (you) can’t mooch off of us.

    White Trashionalism is just an appeal for intra-white socialism. You want to mooch off of successful whites like me because of your own total failure at all levels. Not a chance.

    Get off my lawn, faggot!

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    Every time I read your closing sentence it makes me laugh. One of the finest and funniest and most perceptive replies I ever read. The Real American reasoned your comment triggered Reg Caesar's astute reply and instead of going to his front door and scolding him he unwisely knocked on your door.
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  202. Wally says:
    @Art
    Hard to change Jew belief in FINAL SOLUTIONS. Brainwashed from pre womb unto death.

    Tribal Jews are child abusers – they abuse their children!

    It is traumatic to young minds to hear that everyone wants to kill then, over and over and over. That is what little Jews hear from a very young age. It is clear that they can never recover. In time, they do the same thing to their children.

    This has been going on for thousands of years. That is the Jew culture.

    Think Peace --- Do No Harm --- Art

    “I owe my permission to submit the Zionist plan for the final solution of the Jewish Question.”

    - ‘Father of political Zionism’ Theodor Herzl, letter to the Czar, November 22, 1899.

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  203. Skeptikal says:
    @anon
    Are you making this up as you go along or is it based on evidence? If the latter, put it on the table

    Here is a good article on the SS and the economic function of the concentration camps:

    https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007399

    Of course, Jews and others were killed outside of concentration camps.
    Many of them by Einsatzgruppen.

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    Einsatzgruppen.
    Read
    Arthur R. Butz, ´The hoax of the twentieth century, The case against the presumed extermination of European Jewry’, Costa Mesa CA, 1977, 1989
    on how the 'testimonies' of twelve presumed former members of these Gruppen were obtained,
    and
    Léon Poliakov, 'Bréviaire de la Haine, Le IIIe Reich et les Juifs', 1951, 1974, Paris
    on the miracles these Gruppen performed.
    , @Them Guys
    Most if not all of the many info links you tell us to check out, are from the usa holohoax museum correct?.....Which has a very Vested interest at always promoting whatever any jew claims about the main hoax.


    I have a better idea plan about all this endless debate of holyhoax issues and jews agendas on it.


    How about jewry as a whole finally agrees to allow a full blown excavation dig at EVERY claimed burial site where jews and so called "survivahs" claim jewish dead bodies are buried at eh?


    Just drop every phony claim of somehow such a dig exploration would in any way "Dis-Honor" the dead jew victims of the WWII holyhoax era. Because as we all know once dead, nobody retains any sense of memory etc...You cannot dis or offend any dead persons jew or gentile period.


    Then once and for all time, either everything too many to count hoax tales and fables will be proved as truth or falsified totally. There will no longer be any possible debate on weather jews massively lie or speak total truth about this agenda of jewry.

    And this will also cause yet Another Great thing to happen.

    It will free up every debater and actual real historian expert to then work on a quest of finding every fact and truth about, the REAL 20th century Holocaust events of what actually really happened from 1917 and onwards, in Russia first, then expanded into EVERY eastern European nation. Where jewish soviet Bolsheviks butchered, tortured, and massively mass murdered a total of at least 250,000,000 innocent White & Christian peoples.

    That Is the Real main events folks should be very concerned about eh...yes I assume such a truth and fact find mission will reveal that unlike how we all been taught of jews always being no more than misunderstood, mistreated, 100% innocent victims in every place to ever be a host nation of jewry. And of course how we were told of jews bad day in WWII hoax events. Is really of zero or close to zero concern or truth once compared to what jewrys proved guilty of doing as prior mentioned with their invention of communism and use of it to mass murder so many.

    Of course most folks will then view jews in a much different light once such factual truths get exposed. But shouldn't such outstanding examples of the most moral bastions of humanity, as the self chozens promote themselves as to the lowly goyim gentiles of the world, be at very Top of jewrys list of agendas to accomplish? That being to once and for all OPEN every burial ground claimed to be of dead wwii-holohoax jews, so everyone worldwide can SEE factual Evidence proven by DNA tests of bones and ashes etc.....and Then to move on to jewish main crimes of 20th century of what happened from 1917 onwards in Russia etc.?


    This agenda would put to rest all debate and questions for that era, and allow for everybody globally to move on and ahead with better prosperity and world peace for all folk.


    And if such causes jews to be thought of in a lesser way than current lies and scams have provided them the luxury of being thought of? So What. Isn't facts and Truths what jews rather have?


    If such causes jews to take a Back seat in the Buss for a change?....Maybe they belong there eh.

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  204. Mulegino1 says:
    @Mulegino1
    This greatest lie of all time depends upon a mountain of lies, outrageous exaggerations and monstrous judicial injustices and the persecution of dissent from the false narrative. The so called factual foundations of the Holocaust legend are, as with any false narrative, almost entirely Procrustean in nature, i.e., they are made to fit around the fixed "6 million" number, which, of course, has been proven impossible.

    We know for a fact that even the downward revision of 4 million to 1.2 million victims at Auschwitz-Birkenau is a gross exaggeration, and that both the authentic camp records as well as the physical evidence indicate that no more than a little over 100,000 (of all races, religions and nationalities- and of all causes) could have died there due to the impossibility, from a technical and logistical perspective, of the testimonies of the so called "eyewitnesses."

    We know for a fact that there are no mass graves and no massive outdoor cremations at Treblinka II, and that 800,000 Jews were not killed there with the ridiculous extermination by gassing with non-lethal diesel exhaust. (Of course now it is claimed to have been internal combustion exhaust, since those who crafted the legend had no eye for such details.) There is almost literally nothing at the site of Treblinka II but cenotaphs and claims of scattered ashes- nothing like what would be found at a real "industrial scale mass murder" site.

    Ditto for Sobibor, Majdanek and the rest of the so called "extermination camps."

    Remember when it was all about Bergen Belsen and Dachau? Funny how, over the years, the "extermination legend" migrated eastward behind the Iron Curtain.

    Remember how it was Jews thrown into ovens and Jewish babies supposedly dumped into burning pits? Then it became "death by gassing in "fake'" showers. Then it became a "Holocaust by bullets" on the Eastern Front.

    The "Holocaust" legend cannot be falsified because it refuses to submit to empirical exaggeration and cloaks itself in the mantle of pseudo-religious and pseud0-mystical language. Once it is reduced to merely factual and empirical level, it crumbles.

    There was never any plan by Hitler, Himmler, the National Socialist state or the German people to murder all of the Jews of Europe. The issue was to remove the Jews from Germany through emigration and, if necessary, by forceful resettlement, which is why the Madagascar Plan was envisioned. Once the war started, the plan had to be modified to suit the needs of Germany at war with most of the industrialized nations of the earth, so many Jews were conscripted for labor and interned, just like American citizens of Japanese descent. The United States hinterlands were not seriously affected at all by the war, but Germany was literally destroyed by it. It is quite logical to suppose that those interned in the camps were also victims of war, in particular the Allied bombing offensives. How many alleged "victims of the evil Germans" were actually killed by the Allied air offensive or the Red Army?

    The Luther Memorandum from the German Foreign Ministry of August, 1942 stated unambiguously, inter alia: "...after the war, the Jews will have to leave Europe. This is the unalterable decision of the Fuehrer..." If the Jews would have to leave Europe after the war, then it is clear that there was no program of industrial scale mass murder being applied to them.

    That should read: “empirical examination…”

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  205. Skeptikal says:
    @anon
    Are you making this up as you go along or is it based on evidence? If the latter, put it on the table

    Here is an article that explains the evolution of “solutions” to the Jewish question and the phase during which Jews were incarcerated in camps with the aim of getting them to emigrate (and leave their assets behind), which I referenced and which I have read about in a number of memoirs.

    https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007403

    Not to mention that I know of some of these issues from my own family history.
    HTH, Ignoramus Anon.
    No, go out and educate your own little self.

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  206. Karl says:
    @Anonymous
    The leading Jewish American groups and Israel have always been complicit with Turkey in denying the Armenian Genocide committed by Turkey and defeating Armenian Genocide resolutions in Congress.

    The author does not mention any of this. I wonder what he thinks.

    193 Anonymous[255] > The leading Jewish American groups and Israel have always been complicit with Turkey in denying the Armenian Genocide committed by Turkey

    there’s no denial. There are decisions to not run one’s mouth

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  207. @Wally
    Please provide the original German document for this claimed 'translation'.

    You cannot. Your text is fraudulent.

    www.codoh.com

    I translated these from the German in the German National Library’s official publication. I might still have somewhere the original German version, but not ready-at-hand now. Where reliable English translations existed, I cited the source as in that English source, but some were speeches etc. that aren’t in any of the English-language-translated collections.

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    Why should we believe you? A Zionist with an agenda.

    Can't show the alleged documents? Then there were no such documents.

    Imagine in a real / legit court of law where someone claims that there are documents which assist their case, but then could not produce the claimed documents. They would be laughed out of that court.

    Rather like:


    The "Holocau$t Industry" in court:
    'Please your honor, there really are remains of millions buried in huge mass graves, we know where the mass graves are to this day, ... but, but, well, umm, we can't show the court the human remains. You must trust us, we're Zionists.'
     
    www.codoh.com
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  208. L.K says:
    @Karl
    55 Myname > It also doesn’t make sense for the Germans to waste energy in transportation of Jews


    you're correct - but the decision was made by the same people who felt that invading Russia was sensible

    Your statement reveals your complete ignorance of the subject.

    In view of the actual facts, as opposed to cheap war propaganda, the decision of the National Socialist regime to attack the Soviet Union was indeed, sensible.
    Many historians, including many Russians, have reached that conclusion.

    http://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-when-stalin-almost-conquered-europe/

    Under the comments, my post #527, discusses the motives that led to Operation Barbarossa, more or less in chronological order.

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  209. @anonymous
    Those Russian civilians -- were they transported to "death camps" and killed in gas chambers?

    Was the 'killing of those "more than 6 million" Russian civilians the outcome of a deliberate, industrialized , plan-- documented, of course-- to kill 'every Russian civilian Nazis could get their hands on?

    Were these Russian civilians Jewish? Nolshevik? Partisans?

    Were they targeted for killing precisely because of their group identity, or because they were in a war zone?

    Answers to the queries argue AGAINST the stigmatized holocaust-of-Jews narrative.

    “were they transported to “death camps” and killed in gas chambers?”

    Sorry, but if some of it is a lie then all of it is a lie. Were there some truth to your statement there would be no need for embellishment with stories of lampshades and soap made from victims.

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    Your peroration is a rhetorical flourish as dopey as "were there some truth to the idea that Germany breached its treaty obligations and invaded neutral Belgium there would be no need for embellishment with tales of German Schrecklichkeit like skewering babies with bayonets".

    As for "if some of it is a lie then all of it is a lie" I can only ask if you have invented a new school of logic.
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  210. Wally says:
    @NoseytheDuke
    I never questioned a word of it, not even the lampshades or the soap stories, until Irving was punished for his views. Since then, what I find to be "crass insensitivity, and an ahistorical insult" is the endless repetition of the Six Million Lie when in fact over 55 million people did die as a result of WWI, and "somehow" that incredible number has been relegated to a lesser place in history due to the creation of the Jewish victimhood meme. WWII was simply a continuation of WWI which was largely brought about, deliberately for the purpose of profit, control and creating a New World Order, by financiers in London and NY, most of whom claimed to be Jews.

    Certainly people of all stripes suffered, war by definition is evil, but since the word holocaust means a burnt offering I would think that the fire bombing of civilians in cities better fits that description than The Holocaust mythology based on gassings and incinerations on an industrial scale for which little to no hard evidence exists and much of what does can be shown to have been fabricated. It's interesting also that both Britain and the US built a variety of four engined, long range, heavy bombers ideal for laying waste to large civilian centres whilst Germany built none.

    Zuesse wrote:

    Hitler in his Secret Conversations (Table-Talk) addressed Himmler sarcastically about the matter, Himmler understood very well what he meant by saying of his policy toward the Jews, “I’m extraordinarily humane. … But if they refuse to leave voluntarily, I see no other solution than extermination.”

    Except Hitler never said that.

    Zionist Zuesse steps on yet another landmine, highly recommended:

    Hitler’s “Table Talk”: A Study in Academic Fraud & Scandal
    by Veronica Clark

    https://www.inconvenienthistory.com/9/3/4880

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    Having read that long polemical piece by Veronica Clark - the version of her name that the qualified diesel mechanic was using for that article - I find that she has indeed made quite a case for Table Talk in any of its forms not being a good primary source, but by no means displaces it as good secondary evidence (especially if the various available elements are put together; as to which I recommend careful critical reading of the Wikipedia entry about TT). Clark appears to have no beef with anything about Jews ( her original interest was apparently to portray Hitler as more of a Christian than a racialist) and nothing I read displaces the opinion of people like Speer that the published TT got Hitler's long boring monologues about right.

    The denial that the usual write up hours later or even the next day largely from memory can be accurate in substance despite not being stenographic verbatim defies experience of the Courts, of attending lectures and of the records of legislative debates where I have seen stenographic records that made little sense shakily corrected from bad audio tapes (or slurred voice) and ultimately got almost certainly right by memory of the substance of what was said. Clearly it could help to have heard much the same thing many times as was apparently the case when Hitler engaged in his monologues.

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  211. L.K says:
    @ltravail
    This critique of David Irving's work is more like the work of a journalistic mercenary than of an honestly objective intellect. Irving was one of the most widely-read and celebrated writers of WW2-related history earlier in his career. But that was until he published "Hitler's War." That massive work once was even required, or highly-recommended, reading in military institutions over the world, including in the US. It wasn't until a certain (and well-documented) cadre launched their extensive and wildly successful anti-Irving campaign that the public (or the more weakly-constituted elements of it) accepted the view of Irving as a pariah, and "Hitler's War" was removed from the recommended reading lists of those aforementioned military institutions. Even after all these years (since the first publication of that remarkable work) this campaign continues. This hit piece is just the latest salvo in that great defamation campaign (though much applause and respect is due Ron Unz for having the conviction to put David Irving and his work in the spotlight).

    I have read most of Irving's major (and minor) work, and have attended a couple of his lectures. His work makes other, more "acceptable", WW2 historians (particularly those dealing with the German National Socialist regime) look like writers of folklore rather than facts-based history. He's like the Art Tatum of WW2 historiographers - his instrumental command is so daunting that it makes most of the rest look ham-handed!

    Allow me to relate that I am a non-white American male. I say this because one of the (many) charges against Irving is that he's a "racist" by nature - which, by implication, also means "anti-semitic", as his tormentors would wish to convey. As I said, I have heard Irving in-person and viewed numerous other of his lectures of the past three decades - as well as having read most of his material. There is no doubt the man has a particular affinity for the "old" England - the England of empire - into which he was born and bred. And he makes no bones about lamenting the loss of his "jolly old England" by the shift in that nation's immigration policies after WW2. But I have also heard him speak endearingly about the Afro-Caribbean immigrant female who used to be his assistant (who, in his words, he hired because she was the most qualified for the job).

    There is nothing that I have read in any of Irving's works that would indicate what the man's proclivities and prejudices are. He certainly does not spare Hitler or any of the other leading National Socialists (or Churchill, himself!) of that time of harsh judgment when due. But neither does he succumb to the worn-out fashion of making the people of that era and place caricatures of monstrosity. Needless to say, there was plenty of monstrosity on all sides in that era.

    If there is any merit to the charge of Irving as a "racist", then you might say it's a character flaw that is easily divorced from the merits of his work. And even if one wanted to believe that Irving is a "racist", that does not make the man dishonest, a liar...a Cretin. The merits of his work are unimpeachable, which certainly has much, if not everything, to do with the vigor and extent to which this extraordinary scholar has been (and still is being) persecuted.

    ltravail says:

    This critique of David Irving’s work is more like the work of a journalistic mercenary than of an honestly objective intellect.

    Yep, It’s basically character assassination.

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  212. Wally says:
    @Eric Zuesse
    I translated these from the German in the German National Library's official publication. I might still have somewhere the original German version, but not ready-at-hand now. Where reliable English translations existed, I cited the source as in that English source, but some were speeches etc. that aren't in any of the English-language-translated collections.

    Why should we believe you? A Zionist with an agenda.

    Can’t show the alleged documents? Then there were no such documents.

    Imagine in a real / legit court of law where someone claims that there are documents which assist their case, but then could not produce the claimed documents. They would be laughed out of that court.

    Rather like:

    The “Holocau$t Industry” in court:
    ‘Please your honor, there really are remains of millions buried in huge mass graves, we know where the mass graves are to this day, … but, but, well, umm, we can’t show the court the human remains. You must trust us, we’re Zionists.’

    http://www.codoh.com

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  213. anarchyst says:
    @Johnny Rico

    There is NOT ONE DOCUMENT outlining any extermination plan for jews or others.
     
    Duh.

    There's no document for capitalism or economics or the Vietnam War either. Did they also not happen?

    But lack of any documentation is not really your point, is it? Since plenty of well-documented things like the moon-landing and 9/11 are denied by you as well.

    Try applying consistent reasoning to ideological issues and you won't feel so crazy all the time.

    refute anything I have stated…trouble is, you can’t. Stop drinking the holocaustianity ™ kool-aid and see the world as it is…

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    Yawn.

    That's not what I define as trouble.
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  214. Caruthers says:
    @Eric Zuesse
    For example: Hitler in 1922 told a journalist Joseph Hell (I quote this on page 77, then discuss on pages 82-83 the context in which he said this in conversation, to impress the man, but not to publish it, just on background so that he could understand the Nazi Party), “Once I am in power, my first and foremost task will be the annihilation of the Jews. As soon as I have the power to do so, I will have gallows built in rows — as many as traffic allows. Then the Jews will be hanging indiscriminately, and they will remain hanging until they stink. ... As soon as they have been untied, the next batch will be strung up, and so on, ... until all Germany has been cleaned of Jews.” Little over a year later, Hitler wrote into Mein Kampf (1939, p. 946; 1943, p. 651) that the “elimination” of Jews must be “by the sword” and “bloody.”

    Hitler tells a journalist in my order to impress him and so he can understand Hitler’s aims, but he doesn’t tell his top lieutenans so they cs understand his aims and can thus better implement them?

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    Top secret. Details in the newspapers.
    , @Eric Zuesse
    You don't understand what "on a need-to-know basis" means. Try: https://www.italki.com/question/116905?hl=en-us
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  215. utu says:
    @Eric Zuesse
    For example: Hitler in 1922 told a journalist Joseph Hell (I quote this on page 77, then discuss on pages 82-83 the context in which he said this in conversation, to impress the man, but not to publish it, just on background so that he could understand the Nazi Party), “Once I am in power, my first and foremost task will be the annihilation of the Jews. As soon as I have the power to do so, I will have gallows built in rows — as many as traffic allows. Then the Jews will be hanging indiscriminately, and they will remain hanging until they stink. ... As soon as they have been untied, the next batch will be strung up, and so on, ... until all Germany has been cleaned of Jews.” Little over a year later, Hitler wrote into Mein Kampf (1939, p. 946; 1943, p. 651) that the “elimination” of Jews must be “by the sword” and “bloody.”

    the “elimination” of Jews must be “by the sword” and “bloody.”

    Why you did not cite the exact sentence? There are many instances where “elimination” (15), “bloody” (22) and “by the sword” (3) are used in Mein Kampf in many different contexts but never together.

    First I thought your were just a kook but you are much worse. You are a dishonest manipulator with zero integrity. Nobody will touch any of your kooky books.

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    There is no mention of genocide in Mein Kampf at all
    Jews are called parasites.
    This also was, in my opinion, the basis of the Madagaskar plan.
    Deporting all jews to Madagaskar, where they would have to look after themselves.
    , @Heros
    "You are a dishonest manipulator with zero integrity."

    Bernhard of Moon of Alabama came to the same conclusion and blocked Zeusse from commenting a few months back.
    , @Eric Zuesse
    The quotation from Mein Kampf is: "it is the inexorable Jew who struggles for his domination over the nations. No nation can remove this hand from its throat except by the sword. Only the assembled and concentrated might of a national passion rearing up in its strength can defy the international enslavement of peoples. Such a process is and remains a bloody one."
    , @Curmudgeon
    Much of the "extermination" narrative comes from the translation of the word ausrotten, which is literally "out root". In English, we have uproot or root out as comparable translations. Ausrotten, pre WWII along with uproot or root out, also meant extirpate or exterminate in some contexts. Extirpate does not necessarily mean physical annihilation. Post Nuremberg, ausrotten has taken on the exclusive meaning "exterminate".
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  216. tac says:

    A weak and pedestrian attempt at a rebuttal by a mediocre author, at best, who no doubtedly sprang into action when a ransom was offered by the equally shameless Holocau$$$t mediocrity of peddlers. A mere recital of nitpicking and past assertions that fall to the wayside…An epic display of mediocrity that was seemingly a salvo of flatulence aimless in the aftermath. Research takes hard work and dedication, none of which is even hinted at by this ‘showpiece’.

    Now to the subject matter by people whose lives have been ruined, at the mere temerity of attempting to question the ‘legend’ — in its lustre as ensconced in recent depictions:

    If you care to look at the so-called homicidal gas chambers stories we’ve been told dispassionately and with a logical and scientific approach then I would recommend starting off with Germar Rudolf’s refutation given here (especially paying close attention to the time frame from 11:00-42)

    Accounts with subtitles from Polish testimonials on the narratives we’ve been told):

    https://wolna-polska.pl/wiadomosci/why-jews-are-afraid-of-the-truth-historical-truth-by-ph-d-ewa-kurek-english-subtitles-2018-02

    “However, in late 2005, Rudolf—now a peace activist and publisher—was kidnapped by the U.S. government and deported to Germany to face charges of “holocaust denial.” There he was put on trial for his historical writings. During this trial his defense lawyers were prohibited under the threat of prosecution from filing motions in support of Rudolf’s historical views.
    All motions filed by Rudolf’s defense team directed at proving that his writings are scientific in nature and are therefore protected by the German constitution were rejected by the court. Academics willing to confirm as expert witnesses the scholarly nature of Rudolf’s writings were barred from testifying

    …He proved that his writings undoubtedly qualified. He demonstrated moreover why the German laws designed to suppress peaceful dissidents are unconstitutional and in violation of human rights. Furthermore he explained in detail why it is everyone’s obligation to resist in a non-violent way a state which throws peaceful dissidents into dungeons.”

    https://barnesreview.org/product/resistance-is-obligatory-address-to-the-mannheim-district-court-15-november-2006-to-29-january-2007/

    Shameful liar Simon Wiesenthal:

    https://barnesreview.org/simon-wiesenthal-lied-and-admitted-it-says-top-israeli-holocaust-historian/

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    Germar Rudolf's video did not post in my previous video with timeframe...so please refer to it here:

    https://youtu.be/INod21-XNB4
    , @Wally
    http://codoh.com/library/document/3276
    Gas Van Film and Photo Fraud
    German News Magazine and Simon Wiesenthal Center's Museum Caught Faking Photo and Film Captions

    By Santiago Alvarez

    also see:
    Holocaust Handbooks, Documentaries, & Videos
    http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?main_page=1

    http://holocausthandbooks.com/img/HHS-300x127.jpg

    www.codoh.com

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  217. Art says:
    @Eric Zuesse
    This is in response to “Art”s assumption that I am “among the 95% of US Jews who support Israel’s existence” — and that’s two false assumptions about me, not merely one.

    In http://washingtonsblog.com/2015/05/opinion-is-israel-americas-friend-or-americas-enemy.html
    I said: "Netanyahu has proven by actions, not mere words, that Israel is America’s enemy, refusing to do even what Israel had signed an American-sponsored accord in 1978 promising to do — and, now, at last, installing a government that is deeply committed to never complying with it.” How much more clearly could any American author express condemnation of Israel? I also said there: "The very idea of dual-citizenship, especially for a government official, is repugnant in any real democracy. Certainly, there ought to be a requirement for all individuals who are employed by the U.S. Government or by any U.S. Government contractor, to publicly renounce any other citizenship before being hired. That’s just basic. But, in any case, now that we know that Israel is an outright enemy of the United States, the public should be demanding the U.S. President and Congress to side with the Palestinians against Israel.”

    In http://washingtonsblog.com/2016/09/u-s-govt-donate-38b-enemy-nation.html
    I noted that "On 8 June 1967, Israel intentionally attacked and sank the USS Liberty, slaughtering 34 of our sailors, and injuring another 172.” I documented the official cover-up.

    To judge from the responses to the present article, most of the commenters here aren't anti-Israelis (as I am, because it’s an apartheid regime run by Jewish nazis some of whom are even blatant about their nazism, their racist fascism) but they are anti-Jews, simply bigots (like those Israelis are, but against different targets). Almost all of the reader-comments here are blatantly irrelevant to my article — the evidence and argument — that they’re pretending to be commenting upon. Irrelevant, and that’s shocking, but that’s most of them. That is simply pathetic. I didn't expect it.

    This is in response to “Art”s assumption that I am “among the 95% of US Jews who support Israel’s existence” — and that’s two false assumptions about me, not merely one.

    It appears that I have made a mistake about you and Israel. You are not responsible for the Palestinian boy’s lose of his leg.

    I am sorry – I apologize — please forgive me — Art

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  218. tac says:
    @tac
    A weak and pedestrian attempt at a rebuttal by a mediocre author, at best, who no doubtedly sprang into action when a ransom was offered by the equally shameless Holocau$$$t mediocrity of peddlers. A mere recital of nitpicking and past assertions that fall to the wayside...An epic display of mediocrity that was seemingly a salvo of flatulence aimless in the aftermath. Research takes hard work and dedication, none of which is even hinted at by this 'showpiece'.

    Now to the subject matter by people whose lives have been ruined, at the mere temerity of attempting to question the 'legend' -- in its lustre as ensconced in recent depictions:

    If you care to look at the so-called homicidal gas chambers stories we’ve been told dispassionately and with a logical and scientific approach then I would recommend starting off with Germar Rudolf’s refutation given here (especially paying close attention to the time frame from 11:00-42)

    Accounts with subtitles from Polish testimonials on the narratives we’ve been told):
    https://wolna-polska.pl/wiadomosci/why-jews-are-afraid-of-the-truth-historical-truth-by-ph-d-ewa-kurek-english-subtitles-2018-02

    "However, in late 2005, Rudolf—n