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Stephen M. Walt (l) and John J. Mearsheimer, at the time of the publication of The Israel Lobby in 2007.
Stephen M. Walt (l) and John J. Mearsheimer, at the time of the publication of The Israel Lobby in 2007.

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The authors of The Israel Lobby went on Chicago radio station WBEZ last week to reflect on their achievement after ten years. No, not 60 Minutes. Not The New York Times. Not MSNBC. But WBEZ radio.

It is a great interview by Jerome McDonnell about a stupendous achievement. As I wrote ten years ago, this book is up there with Rachel Carson’s Silent Spring, Upton Sinclair’s The Jungle and Ralph Nader’s Unsafe at Any Speed, as a bombshell that will help transform society.

Below are some choice bits from the interview.

Publication ruined both men’s chances to serve in government or in university administration. Mearsheimer:

I had no interest whatsoever in a government position. But I did think that when we wrote the piece, that it would mean that we would never get a high level government position. Even medium level government position. It would also make it almost impossible for us to get any meaningful administrative job in the academic world.

Mearsheimer was then 59 years old and in Chicago. But Steve Walt was a sprightly 50 and on I-95, on the Harvard springboard to presidential elbows. The book forever changed his horizon:

I was academic dean in the Kennedy School. I think it’s fair to say that both universities did stand by us in the sense that they didn’t put any formal censure on us. There were various ways of what you might call informal marginalization at least for a while, because the leaderships in both universities were very nervous about the fallout. Universities don’t really like controversy very much.

I did understand that this was probably going to eliminate any possibility of government service in my case, which is something I do regret, because it’s something I would have appreciated, had that opportunity presented itself at some point down the road.

Walt went on to say that they had to do it. “If we weren’t willing to do that, then hardly anybody else would be. We couldn’t lose our jobs. We didn’t necessarily need government employment to pay the mortgage.”

The two men actually gave up on the article and book years before it was published because doors kept closing. Here is some of the history.

Mearsheimer spoke about the idea first at the American Political Science Association meetings in Boston in 2002; and a friend said the Atlantic wanted to commission an article on that very subject. The Atlantic magazine assigned Walt and Mearsheimer in 2002. Then it got cold feet and killed the piece in early 2005. At that time, Walt said, the two scholars thought that no other outlet in the United States would publish it, but they could flesh it out as a “short book,” so they consulted a “number” of publishers and a couple of literary agents.

We got what you would call polite interest but nothing you could call enthusiasm. At one point we basically decided to drop the project entirely.

Jesus H. Christ.

After that, though, an editor who had a copy of the piece showed it to a scholar at UCLA who reached out to Mearsheimer and said the London Review of Books might be interested. The LRB version was eventually published in March 2006, and “provoked an immediate firestorm,” Walt said.

Ironically once it provoked that firestorm, suddenly publishers and literary agents recognized that there was a product people were interested in and suddenly they were contacting us and offering us book contracts.

Mearshimer said it was the internet that published that piece as much as the LRB:

The internet was indispensable for making this article available to people all over the world. If this had been published in the London Review of Books in 1985 or 1990 when there was no internet, hardly anybody would have taken notice. But in the age of the internet, this article just ricocheted all over the world very, very quickly.

Rashid Khalidi at Columbia University told me that the morning after the piece had hit the internet, 14 different people had sent him a link for the piece. It was such a big bombshell.

Now here is the sad conclusion. Mearsheimer:

I don’t think we– or anyone else– has had much influence on policy. I think the lobby is still as powerful as ever. It’s now more out in the open, and that’s not necessarily a good thing for a lobby, but it’s still remarkably effective. This is why you saw all those Republicans falling all over themselves in the 2016 Republican primaries to say how devoted they were to Israel, because they understand that you don’t want to cross the lobby.

Or to put that another way: This interview was not on 60 Minutes, MSNBC, or the New York Times!

The authors deal with the fact that the lobby failed on the Iran deal. They never said that the lobby could not be defeated; but that delivering a defeat would require spending a lot of political capital, as President Obama did. And P.S. the lobby isn’t finished with the Iran deal!

(Republished from Mondoweiss by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. Dan Hayes says:

    The academic courage of Mearsheimer and Walt brings to mind the late Richard Herrnstein who in good conscience felt that his tenured position required him to defend and propagate the truth even if not popular (what would now be classified as non-PC).

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  2. utu says:

    It’s now more out in the open, and that’s not necessarily a good thing for a lobby, but it’s still remarkably effective.

    I think they are discovering that this is a good thing. The idea that Jews dominate has been normalized. Partly because there is not alternative. Nobody can imagine what world should be w/o the Jews. The Jews are us or rather we became like Jews.

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    • Replies: @silviosilver

    I think they are discovering that this is a good thing. The idea that Jews dominate has been normalized. Partly because there is not alternative. Nobody can imagine what world should be w/o the Jews. The Jews are us or rather we became like Jews.
     
    Are you saying the Lobby itself considers growing awareness of its activities a good thing?

    That is a strained argument. And it's difficult to reconcile with the fact that the Lobby continues to fight tooth and nail to suppress public discussion of its influence.

    , @Astuteobservor II
    you have to be impress with the jewish stranglehold on information. when the jews control the narrative, everything is easy, possible.

    the news media is the single most important part of jewish control over usa and europe, the entire "west". I honestly believe it(major news outlets) has always been under control since it's creation.

    the jewish elite essentially controls public information, mainstream media = public opinion, mood, etc. normalizing anything should be easy as pie.

    I can imagine a world without jewish influence. but with 80% of my follow citizens being too stupid, it is futile. the elite ranks were broken through in the 1960s-70s. mainstream media decades before that. this country has been taken over from the top down. Hell, the jews are powerful enough to make people self censor. that says alot since the people are the suppose citizens of the only super power on earth atm.

    , @Sam Shama
    How right you are utu, when you write: "The Jews are us ...."

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/29/opinion/sunday/we-are-all-jewish.html

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  4. The Israel Lobby was a volume that fatefully examined the influence of the State of Israel and its strength of power over broad aspects of money-driven American politics.
    They (the IL) need to be put in their place. It can’t be done without access to significant media outlets who are intimidated by how the IL works.
    Thank goodness they could not stop the Iran deal which caused the vilifying of Obama. Israel indicating that the president was the new focus of antisemitism in the 21st century. Congrats to Walt-Mearsheimer on their anniversary of a great book as we hope to gain traction in minimizing the foreign influence in our policies and political figures.

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  5. It always helps your argument if the other side is denied the opportunity to explain his point of view. If they are demonized and their careers are blocked pour encourager les autres, it helps further.

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    • Replies: @jacques sheete

    It always helps your argument if the other side is denied the opportunity to explain his point of view. If they are demonized and their careers are blocked pour encourager les autres, it helps further.
     
    That pretty much describes what happened to Hitler in the US and one would think the masses would've figured it out by now...
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  6. Dershowitz wrote on Fox News website:
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    “The retweeted article by Phillip Giraldi itself contains the usual anti-Semitic tropes: Jews are guilty of dual loyalty; they control politicians, the media and entertainment; they want the U.S. to fight wars for the country to which they have real allegiance – Israel; they are dangerous to America. Giraldi has been pushing this garbage for years and Plame is one of his fans.”

    Hard not to be an anti-Semitic troll in these circumstances because the truth about the Israel Lobby IS anti-Semitic (to use the chosen gibberish terminology of those who use this term as a weapon)..

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    • Agree: reiner Tor
    • Replies: @Avery
    {Dershowitz wrote on Fox News website:
    Quote…“The retweeted article by Phillip Giraldi itself contains the usual anti-Semitic tropes: Jews are guilty of dual loyalty}


    Dershowitz spearheaded years-long efforts to have Pollard released.
    A Jewish-American man, born in Texas, who worked for the foreign State of Israel, spied on his putative home country of US of America, and caused great harm and damage to United States.

    Pretty hard not to conclude that Dershowitz's loyalty to his putative home country is somewhat tarnished. If Deshowitz et al had any real smarts they'd throw the filthy traitor under the bus and forget about him.

    But obviously they can't: and the question is "Why?".
    And the answer is 'The gentleman doth protest too much'.
    , @Ky
    Dershowitz is a Zionist. To be critical of Israel and the occupation is NOT ANTISEMITIC. Ironically ZIONISM is RACISM.
    Most people do not understand this very important point, so when they criticize Israel and an Ashkenazi EUROPEAN JEW like Dershowitz, people like him immediately accuse them of anti-Semitism in an effort to shut them down
    Torah reading Jews don't agree with the Talmud reading Jews, the Zionists the CHABBAD. The Ashkenazi are NOMADS. They have no right to anything. What they are doing to the PALESTINIANS is the very thing that happened to them in the Holocaust. Israel has only been in existence since 1948, when the Ashkenazi STOLE the land from it's rightful owner and for which the Ashkenazi are committing GENOCIDE.

    Let them go home to EUROPE.

    ZIONISM owns Congress NOT Judaism
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  7. Randal says:

    Or to put that another way: This interview was not on 60 Minutes, MSNBC, or the New York Times!

    Reinforcing the fact that the most urgent problem is not really either “antisemitism” or jewish dual loyalty, just as it is not “racism” or “antiracism”, but rather it is the fact that in each case one side is largely successful in suppressing the free expression of the other, thus biasing the public debate and therefore opinion and therefore policy. The result is policy warped out of true in favour of the powerful identity and other lobbies behind the creation and maintenance of these taboos, whether foreign policy (wars fought in the interests of foreign nations) or domestic (the ongoing attempt to suppress free speech by creating a “hate speech” exception, active suppression of traditionalist, nativist, Christian etc liberties, globalism, promotion of mass immigration, etc).

    The value of Unz is precisely that it stands against that suppression, to publish the “Interesting, Important, and Controversial Perspectives Largely Excluded from the American Mainstream Media”.

    One of the more controversial pieces here recently was Giraldi’s piece arguing that there is a problem with dual loyalty amongst jewish nationalists in positions of influence in the US biasing policy towards wars they see as favouring Israel (America’s Jews Are Driving America’s Wars). The details can be debated, though nobody yet has come up with any convincing counter to the basic thrust of his piece and most criticisms have been aimed at its tone or at straw men. But what is really important about that piece, and the reason he and it should be supported even by those who do not necessarily agree with his point or the way it was expressed, is precisely that it simply could not be published in any mainstream media outlet, and indeed Giraldi was promptly sacked from even a fringe political publication merely for having had it published elsewhere.

    It has been argued persuasively that we cannot be confident of the truth of any position once we have refused to allow the arguments against it to be heard. It may also be the case that genuine freedom of political expression is an unachievable ideal, but at least we should try to get as close as possible to that ideal, rather than meekly surrendering to the leftist position that says some opinions are too dangerous to be heard.

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    • Replies: @El Oso Llanero
    'but rather it is the fact that in each case one side is largely successful in suppressing the free expression of the other, thus biasing the public debate and therefore opinion and therefore policy.'

    That sounds just like the AGW Alarmists vs the climate realists...
    , @Wally
    Randal said:

    "It has been argued persuasively that we cannot be confident of the truth of any position once we have refused to allow the arguments against it to be heard."

    Bingo!

    Suppression of free speech & inquiry is exactly what the "Holocau$t Industry" does, hence the quote:

    The 'holocaust' storyline is one of the most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. That is why those who question it are arrested and persecuted. That is why violent, racist, & privileged Jewish supremacists demand censorship. What sort of truth is it that denies free speech and freedom to inquiry?
    Truth needs no protection from scrutiny.
     
    Dr. Arthur Robert Butz has aptly stated:

    "The ‘Holocaust’ is such a gigantic fraud that it is a cornucopia of absurdities.”

    www.codoh.com
    , @Engineer
    Very good post, thank you. Particularly this part:

    It has been argued persuasively that we cannot be confident of the truth of any position once we have refused to allow the arguments against it to be heard. It may also be the case that genuine freedom of political expression is an unachievable ideal, but at least we should try to get as close as possible to that ideal, rather than meekly surrendering to the leftist position that says some opinions are too dangerous to be heard.
     
    , @JackOH
    Excellent comment, Randal. I read Giraldi's piece, after having read a few disparaging comments about it. I thought it was clear and obvious to me that Giraldi was talking about a few hundred Jews in policy-making positions, media, think tanks, and so on, who are driving American policy in the Mideast in ways that may be unfavorable to America's national interests.

    BTW-I saw Valerie Plame speak maybe two years ago and talked to her for a moment at a book-signing. She was an impressive and sensible speaker, and I doubt she has a trace of anti-Jewish animus in her.

    I'm okay with the state of Israel, and don't think that much about it. But, if it's true that the disastrous, multi-trillion dollar Iraq II was driven by Jewish and Israeli interests against clearly preferable American interests, then, at the very least, the architects of that war have to be called out. I don't know how you do that without risking career and reputation.
    , @jacques sheete

    ... in each case one side is largely successful in suppressing the free expression of the other, thus biasing the public debate and therefore opinion and therefore policy. The result is policy warped out of true in favour of the powerful identity and other lobbies behind the creation and maintenance of these taboos, whether foreign policy (wars fought in the interests of foreign nations) or domestic (the ongoing attempt to suppress free speech by creating a “hate speech” exception, active suppression of traditionalist, nativist, Christian etc liberties, globalism, promotion of mass immigration, etc).
     
    True.

    Anyone interested in fleshing out the details of that observation need look no further than this fascinating and fact filled work.:

    - Harry Elmer Barnes, Revisionism: A Key to Peace, The Rampart Journal, V01. II, No. 1
    https://mises.org/sites/default/files/rampart_spring1966_2.pdf
     

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  8. I remember being pretty excited when this was published. Hard to believe ten years can pass so quickly. Based on my experiences in comments debates with right-leaning people, I would say there’s unquestionably been a change towards a willingness to criticize Israel and its lobbying arm. When I first got in interested in the issue about fifteen years ago, it was mostly hardcore lefties and the far right WN set making these arguments. That’s fairly impressive, considering how unappealing Palestinians are as victims.

    Obviously this changes nothing at the policy level, but a dramatic shift in public attitudes would make it far less costly to cross the lobby, and we’d begin to see more politicians deciding to risk it. The real laggards here are academics. Far too few of them have taken up the sword of justice.

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  9. I just listened to the interview. I thought it was pretty cucky (as we’d say in these parts) of Mearsheimer to claim that’s it’s incorrect to describe the Israel lobby as a Jewish lobby because not all Jews support it. Come off it. That’s like saying ISIS is not Islamic because not all Muslims support it. Fact is, the vast majority of the Israel lobby’s members – including all of its most important members – are Jewish and they’re involved in it because they believe it advances Jewish interests.

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  10. @utu
    It’s now more out in the open, and that’s not necessarily a good thing for a lobby, but it’s still remarkably effective.

    I think they are discovering that this is a good thing. The idea that Jews dominate has been normalized. Partly because there is not alternative. Nobody can imagine what world should be w/o the Jews. The Jews are us or rather we became like Jews.

    I think they are discovering that this is a good thing. The idea that Jews dominate has been normalized. Partly because there is not alternative. Nobody can imagine what world should be w/o the Jews. The Jews are us or rather we became like Jews.

    Are you saying the Lobby itself considers growing awareness of its activities a good thing?

    That is a strained argument. And it’s difficult to reconcile with the fact that the Lobby continues to fight tooth and nail to suppress public discussion of its influence.

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  11. The headline is confusing. I read “dropped” to mean “abandoned” but apparently it is supposed to mean “released.”

    The awkward use of stale hip hop lingo infests internet journalism.

    Still, the Israel Lobby is an important piece of scholarship.

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    • Replies: @anonymous
    Yes, the headline is confusing. In the context of 2005, and after reading the article closely, I believe that "dropped" does mean abandoned. And even at that, it incorrectly implies that the authors were intimidated, rather than discouraged. How about:

    Institutional Fear of Israel Lobby Delayed Publication, But Courageous Scholars Persevered
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  12. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @James Braxton
    The headline is confusing. I read "dropped" to mean "abandoned" but apparently it is supposed to mean "released."

    The awkward use of stale hip hop lingo infests internet journalism.

    Still, the Israel Lobby is an important piece of scholarship.

    Yes, the headline is confusing. In the context of 2005, and after reading the article closely, I believe that “dropped” does mean abandoned. And even at that, it incorrectly implies that the authors were intimidated, rather than discouraged. How about:

    Institutional Fear of Israel Lobby Delayed Publication, But Courageous Scholars Persevered

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  13. Pork Chop Hill.

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    Well played!
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  14. mp says:

    The Internet will destroy the Jewish regime’s stranglehold. That is why Jews want to strangle the Internet.

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    • Agree: Z-man
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  15. @reiner Tor
    It always helps your argument if the other side is denied the opportunity to explain his point of view. If they are demonized and their careers are blocked pour encourager les autres, it helps further.

    It always helps your argument if the other side is denied the opportunity to explain his point of view. If they are demonized and their careers are blocked pour encourager les autres, it helps further.

    That pretty much describes what happened to Hitler in the US and one would think the masses would’ve figured it out by now…

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    • Replies: @Wally
    Laughable, juvenile, Zionist propaganda.

    There was no '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers'. They are in fact, impossible.

    Science, rational thought, & logic simply demolish the 'holocaust' storyline.
    And that's why there are Thought Crime Laws that imprison those who engage in free speech about it.

    Truth is hate to those that hate the truth.

    "Some stories are true that never happened."

    - Elie Wiesel
     
    www.codoh.com
    , @OilcanFloyd
    I remember the case of a local college professor promoted to House historian under Newt Gingrich, only to be fired days later for having taught a course in which she stated that the Nazis had their own point of view and reasons for their actions. She only wanted to explore the whys and hows, and even that was enough to kill a career.
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  16. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    The Israel Lobby wouldn’t be effective at all without gentiles ready and able to carry out its murderous and genocidal goals. Amazing how so few can direct millions of Christians in the military, MIC, intelligence community, to sacrifice their eternal souls for some temporal reward on behalf of a pseudo-country.

    Christians in the West are Israel’s willing executioners.

    I’m not saying they have to chuck out their livelihood, but just don’t carry out immoral orders. My dad was in WWII in Japan. He told me he purposely fired above the heads of Japanese soldiers.

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    • Replies: @polskijoe
    There are about 150,000,000 Judeo-Christians in the USA. I get this number based on the amount of people who believe: "Jews are chosen" and "God supports modern Israel"

    However, what matters more is the number of billioniares and corporations which support Israel.

    Just ban duel citizenship for all top positions.
    , @MarkinPNW
    My uncle also served against the Japanese. I do not remember him ever talking about his service, except once, when he told the story of some Japanese soldiers who were trying to surrender, and my Uncle's Company Captain ordered my Uncle to shoot them. My Uncle refused, and offered his M-1 rifle to the Captain if he kept insisting on shooting the Japanese soldiers. The conclusion of the story is that that the Captain did not borrow my Uncle's rifle, and allowed the enemy soldiers to surrender.
    , @Wizard of Oz
    The only American soldiers "in WWII in Japan" were POWs without their weapons so there's something wrong with the story.

    Or was your dad declinimg to help take Iwo Jima or Okinawa?

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  17. Avery says:
    @ThereisaGod
    Dershowitz wrote on Fox News website:
    Quote...

    "The retweeted article by Phillip Giraldi itself contains the usual anti-Semitic tropes: Jews are guilty of dual loyalty; they control politicians, the media and entertainment; they want the U.S. to fight wars for the country to which they have real allegiance – Israel; they are dangerous to America. Giraldi has been pushing this garbage for years and Plame is one of his fans."

    Hard not to be an anti-Semitic troll in these circumstances because the truth about the Israel Lobby IS anti-Semitic (to use the chosen gibberish terminology of those who use this term as a weapon)..

    {Dershowitz wrote on Fox News website:
    Quote…“The retweeted article by Phillip Giraldi itself contains the usual anti-Semitic tropes: Jews are guilty of dual loyalty}

    Dershowitz spearheaded years-long efforts to have Pollard released.
    A Jewish-American man, born in Texas, who worked for the foreign State of Israel, spied on his putative home country of US of America, and caused great harm and damage to United States.

    Pretty hard not to conclude that Dershowitz’s loyalty to his putative home country is somewhat tarnished. If Deshowitz et al had any real smarts they’d throw the filthy traitor under the bus and forget about him.

    But obviously they can’t: and the question is “Why?”.
    And the answer is ‘The gentleman doth protest too much’.

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    • Agree: reiner Tor
    • Replies: @Mr. Anon

    If Deshowitz et al had any real smarts they’d throw the filthy traitor under the bus and forget about him. But obviously they can’t: and the question is “Why?”.
     
    No, they know exactly what they are doing. There is a reason why Israel and its' supporters lobbied for leniency for Pollard. It is important for the continued recruitment of new spies that the recruiter demonstrate loyalty to the old ones, even after they get caught - especially after they get caught. The Russians did the same thing. Dershowitz, and the others who advocated Pollards' release, wanted Pollard to be well taken care of, because they want there to be more Pollards.
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  18. Sherman says:

    Hey Phil

    Do you ever discuss your website with your therapist?

    Sherm

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    • Replies: @iffen
    Do you ever discuss your website with your therapist?

    I think that I read somewhere that he had discussed this with more than one of the "leading" psychiatrists in New York and they told him that this idea of dual loyalty was a conflict between his inner neo-Nazi and Jewish personalities and to shut up and take one of the L- pills that they had prescribed and his worries would be over.
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  19. Bill says:

    As I wrote ten years ago, this book is up there with Rachel Carson’s Silent Spring, Upton Sinclair’s The Jungle and Ralph Nader’s Unsafe at Any Speed, as a bombshell that will help transform society.

    Crappy yellow journalism tends to do well when it is pushing on an open door. Lefties hate industrial capitalism, so the rubbish you cite was trumpeted from the rooftops as if it bravely presented the truth. Carson, Nader, and Sinclair were speaking power to truth.

    Walt and Mearsheimer are in the unfortunately opposite position of speaking truth to power. Which is why things have not gone as well for them.

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  20. iffen says:
    @Sherman
    Hey Phil

    Do you ever discuss your website with your therapist?

    Sherm

    Do you ever discuss your website with your therapist?

    I think that I read somewhere that he had discussed this with more than one of the “leading” psychiatrists in New York and they told him that this idea of dual loyalty was a conflict between his inner neo-Nazi and Jewish personalities and to shut up and take one of the L- pills that they had prescribed and his worries would be over.

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    • Replies: @Sherman
    I can assure you Philip Weiss is on some serious meds and is under psychiatric care.

    I've known plenty of self-loathing lefty Jews like him and they are -without exaggeration- all in therapy and on meds.

    They attack their Jewish identity as a scapegoat for their internal demons.
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  21. Chu says:

    “Walt and Mearsheimer are in the unfortunately opposite position of speaking truth to power. ”

    How are they in the ‘opposite position’ of speaking truth to power?

    Are you saying that W&M are the powerful, while AIPAC is the weak counterbalance?

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  22. Z-man says:

    Dershowitz…yeah Douche-a-witz, he can’t meet an awful ending soon enough! (Grin)

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  23. Mr. Anon says:
    @Avery
    {Dershowitz wrote on Fox News website:
    Quote…“The retweeted article by Phillip Giraldi itself contains the usual anti-Semitic tropes: Jews are guilty of dual loyalty}


    Dershowitz spearheaded years-long efforts to have Pollard released.
    A Jewish-American man, born in Texas, who worked for the foreign State of Israel, spied on his putative home country of US of America, and caused great harm and damage to United States.

    Pretty hard not to conclude that Dershowitz's loyalty to his putative home country is somewhat tarnished. If Deshowitz et al had any real smarts they'd throw the filthy traitor under the bus and forget about him.

    But obviously they can't: and the question is "Why?".
    And the answer is 'The gentleman doth protest too much'.

    If Deshowitz et al had any real smarts they’d throw the filthy traitor under the bus and forget about him. But obviously they can’t: and the question is “Why?”.

    No, they know exactly what they are doing. There is a reason why Israel and its’ supporters lobbied for leniency for Pollard. It is important for the continued recruitment of new spies that the recruiter demonstrate loyalty to the old ones, even after they get caught – especially after they get caught. The Russians did the same thing. Dershowitz, and the others who advocated Pollards’ release, wanted Pollard to be well taken care of, because they want there to be more Pollards.

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  24. Sam Shama says:

    Phil,

    While you are at it – I mean only the sessions with your shrink – you should suggest to your bosom buddy Atzmon, that when he engages in eager self-sodomy to earn Mearsheimer’s praise, he might consider applying some lubricant. Mearsheimer won’t change his endorsement.

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  25. Sherman says:
    @iffen
    Do you ever discuss your website with your therapist?

    I think that I read somewhere that he had discussed this with more than one of the "leading" psychiatrists in New York and they told him that this idea of dual loyalty was a conflict between his inner neo-Nazi and Jewish personalities and to shut up and take one of the L- pills that they had prescribed and his worries would be over.

    I can assure you Philip Weiss is on some serious meds and is under psychiatric care.

    I’ve known plenty of self-loathing lefty Jews like him and they are -without exaggeration- all in therapy and on meds.

    They attack their Jewish identity as a scapegoat for their internal demons.

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    I’ve known plenty of self-loathing lefty Jews ... They attack their Jewish identity ...
     
    So, you are saying that an "individual" cannot reject a part of what you perceive as Jewish identity without suffering from some sort of mental or emotional anguish that distorts his reasoning?
    , @OilcanFloyd
    Weiss isn't a self-hating Jew. He loves Jewish power as much as anyone, which is obvious to anyone who is familiar with him. He MAY not be a Zionist, but his brand of Jewish supremacist is likely just as toxic to America and non-Jewish Americans, and is likely just as filled with loathing for non-Jews.
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  26. Wally says: • Website
    @jacques sheete

    It always helps your argument if the other side is denied the opportunity to explain his point of view. If they are demonized and their careers are blocked pour encourager les autres, it helps further.
     
    That pretty much describes what happened to Hitler in the US and one would think the masses would've figured it out by now...

    Laughable, juvenile, Zionist propaganda.

    There was no ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’. They are in fact, impossible.

    Science, rational thought, & logic simply demolish the ‘holocaust’ storyline.
    And that’s why there are Thought Crime Laws that imprison those who engage in free speech about it.

    Truth is hate to those that hate the truth.

    “Some stories are true that never happened.”

    - Elie Wiesel

    http://www.codoh.com

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    You are attacking someone who agrees with you, moron.
    , @jacques sheete



    It always helps your argument if the other side is denied the opportunity to explain his point of view. If they are demonized and their careers are blocked pour encourager les autres, it helps further.
     
    That pretty much describes what happened to Hitler in the US and one would think the masses would’ve figured it out by now…
     
    Laughable, juvenile, Zionist propaganda.
     
    Wally, dear, I'm not sure what you're responding to, but to clarify my position, Hitler and the Nazis were pretty much denied the opportunity to explain their point of view accurately at least in the "allied" world."

    Hitler and the Nazis were demonized.

    Hitler and the Nazis also had their careers blocked to say the least, and it probably did discourage some others from attempting to exit the "approved" world banking system.
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  27. iffen says:
    @Sherman
    I can assure you Philip Weiss is on some serious meds and is under psychiatric care.

    I've known plenty of self-loathing lefty Jews like him and they are -without exaggeration- all in therapy and on meds.

    They attack their Jewish identity as a scapegoat for their internal demons.

    I’ve known plenty of self-loathing lefty Jews … They attack their Jewish identity …

    So, you are saying that an “individual” cannot reject a part of what you perceive as Jewish identity without suffering from some sort of mental or emotional anguish that distorts his reasoning?

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    So, you are saying that an “individual” cannot reject a part of what you perceive as Jewish identity without suffering from some sort of mental or emotional anguish that distorts his reasoning?
     
    Questions like this one get to issues of generality and specificity. Depends. "reject a part of Jewish identity". Reject which part may I ask?

    Lefty loons like Weiss are so far beyond the pale in their attacks, that all these questions and qualifications are irrelevant. Look at Atzmon. He's a completely unmoored Antisemite and a self-loathing creature who thinks that Jews used gentile children's blood in their matzoh; that Hitler did what he did to Jews because they boycotted German exports. Otto Weininger, Hitler's favourite Jew is Atzmon's model. And Atzmon is Herrsheimer's favourite Jew.
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  28. @Randal

    Or to put that another way: This interview was not on 60 Minutes, MSNBC, or the New York Times!
     
    Reinforcing the fact that the most urgent problem is not really either "antisemitism" or jewish dual loyalty, just as it is not "racism" or "antiracism", but rather it is the fact that in each case one side is largely successful in suppressing the free expression of the other, thus biasing the public debate and therefore opinion and therefore policy. The result is policy warped out of true in favour of the powerful identity and other lobbies behind the creation and maintenance of these taboos, whether foreign policy (wars fought in the interests of foreign nations) or domestic (the ongoing attempt to suppress free speech by creating a "hate speech" exception, active suppression of traditionalist, nativist, Christian etc liberties, globalism, promotion of mass immigration, etc).

    The value of Unz is precisely that it stands against that suppression, to publish the "Interesting, Important, and Controversial Perspectives Largely Excluded from the American Mainstream Media".

    One of the more controversial pieces here recently was Giraldi's piece arguing that there is a problem with dual loyalty amongst jewish nationalists in positions of influence in the US biasing policy towards wars they see as favouring Israel (America's Jews Are Driving America's Wars). The details can be debated, though nobody yet has come up with any convincing counter to the basic thrust of his piece and most criticisms have been aimed at its tone or at straw men. But what is really important about that piece, and the reason he and it should be supported even by those who do not necessarily agree with his point or the way it was expressed, is precisely that it simply could not be published in any mainstream media outlet, and indeed Giraldi was promptly sacked from even a fringe political publication merely for having had it published elsewhere.

    It has been argued persuasively that we cannot be confident of the truth of any position once we have refused to allow the arguments against it to be heard. It may also be the case that genuine freedom of political expression is an unachievable ideal, but at least we should try to get as close as possible to that ideal, rather than meekly surrendering to the leftist position that says some opinions are too dangerous to be heard.

    ‘but rather it is the fact that in each case one side is largely successful in suppressing the free expression of the other, thus biasing the public debate and therefore opinion and therefore policy.’

    That sounds just like the AGW Alarmists vs the climate realists…

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  29. Is there a transcript of that interview anywhere?

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  30. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Wally
    Laughable, juvenile, Zionist propaganda.

    There was no '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers'. They are in fact, impossible.

    Science, rational thought, & logic simply demolish the 'holocaust' storyline.
    And that's why there are Thought Crime Laws that imprison those who engage in free speech about it.

    Truth is hate to those that hate the truth.

    "Some stories are true that never happened."

    - Elie Wiesel
     
    www.codoh.com

    You are attacking someone who agrees with you, moron.

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    I suggest you read Jacques response, redneck Zionist. Oops.

    Still waiting for you to tell everyone how your laughable 'gas chambers' worked.

    Still owning you, redneck Zionist.
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  31. geokat62 says:

    Sherman – I’ve known plenty of self-loathing lefty Jews … They attack their Jewish identity …

    iffen – So, you are saying that an “individual” cannot reject a part of what you perceive as Jewish identity without suffering from some sort of mental or emotional anguish that distorts his reasoning?

    Why put this question to Sherm and not your MBZB, since he also recommended Phil is in need of seeing a shrink?:

    Sam Shama – Phil,

    While you are at it – I mean only the sessions with your shrink…

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  32. Sam Shama says:
    @iffen

    I’ve known plenty of self-loathing lefty Jews ... They attack their Jewish identity ...
     
    So, you are saying that an "individual" cannot reject a part of what you perceive as Jewish identity without suffering from some sort of mental or emotional anguish that distorts his reasoning?

    So, you are saying that an “individual” cannot reject a part of what you perceive as Jewish identity without suffering from some sort of mental or emotional anguish that distorts his reasoning?

    Questions like this one get to issues of generality and specificity. Depends. “reject a part of Jewish identity”. Reject which part may I ask?

    Lefty loons like Weiss are so far beyond the pale in their attacks, that all these questions and qualifications are irrelevant. Look at Atzmon. He’s a completely unmoored Antisemite and a self-loathing creature who thinks that Jews used gentile children’s blood in their matzoh; that Hitler did what he did to Jews because they boycotted German exports. Otto Weininger, Hitler’s favourite Jew is Atzmon’s model. And Atzmon is Herrsheimer’s favourite Jew.

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    Lefty loons like Weiss are so far beyond the pale in their attacks, that all these questions and qualifications are irrelevant. Look at Atzmon.
     
    Sam, what's up with all that?

    I think Weiss and Atzmon have been, and are, on the right track. I read 'em all the time.

    Also, WTF is an anti-Semite in your world anyway? In my world it's a really dumb label and a mindless, vicious smear as it's usually used. I thought Jews prided themselves on thinking out of the box, which is what Weiss, Atzmon, and others, such as Walt and Mearsheimer do. Even dumb goyim like me do it. You should try it sometime.

    What did Hitler do to the Jews beyond trying to work with Zionists and to encourage migration to Palestine? I would've thought you'd have agreed with the idea. At least you admit that some Jews initiated a boycott and worse against an already victimized and fairly prostrate Germany during the worldwide Great Depression.

    You guys are gonna hafta come up with some smears that are a little more original (and accurate) since the term, "anti-Semite" is fast losing its sting and is rather becoming a mark of distinction and pride when people use it as you seem to.

    , @iffen
    Reject which part may I ask?

    One answer would be that part that they reject that provokes you into throwing out the Herr* tag.

    Another answer would be that part of Jewish identity that says you can’t disavow Israel without disavowing your Jewishness.

    Loons like

    Yes on Atzmon. I haven’t read enough by Weiss, Walt or Meirsheimer to make that judgement on my own. I have read enough by Finkelstein to see that he has a loose screw.

    Atzmon is Herrsheimer’s favourite Jew.

    If true, this would not be a good sign and would arouse my suspicion that something was wrong.

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  33. @utu
    It’s now more out in the open, and that’s not necessarily a good thing for a lobby, but it’s still remarkably effective.

    I think they are discovering that this is a good thing. The idea that Jews dominate has been normalized. Partly because there is not alternative. Nobody can imagine what world should be w/o the Jews. The Jews are us or rather we became like Jews.

    you have to be impress with the jewish stranglehold on information. when the jews control the narrative, everything is easy, possible.

    the news media is the single most important part of jewish control over usa and europe, the entire “west”. I honestly believe it(major news outlets) has always been under control since it’s creation.

    the jewish elite essentially controls public information, mainstream media = public opinion, mood, etc. normalizing anything should be easy as pie.

    I can imagine a world without jewish influence. but with 80% of my follow citizens being too stupid, it is futile. the elite ranks were broken through in the 1960s-70s. mainstream media decades before that. this country has been taken over from the top down. Hell, the jews are powerful enough to make people self censor. that says alot since the people are the suppose citizens of the only super power on earth atm.

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  34. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Reading this reminds me of how Pat Buchanan variously described the US Congress as “the Amen Corner” and ” Israeli Occupied Territory.” In trying to draw a distinction between that which is in the interest of the United States from that which may be in the interest of another country–in this case Israel- and how the ‘twain don’t necessarily meet, he was branded an anti-Semite.

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  35. Sam Shama says:
    @utu
    It’s now more out in the open, and that’s not necessarily a good thing for a lobby, but it’s still remarkably effective.

    I think they are discovering that this is a good thing. The idea that Jews dominate has been normalized. Partly because there is not alternative. Nobody can imagine what world should be w/o the Jews. The Jews are us or rather we became like Jews.

    How right you are utu, when you write: “The Jews are us ….”

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/29/opinion/sunday/we-are-all-jewish.html

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    Empire Idiots BY LINH DINH.

    http://www.unz.com/ldinh/empire-idiots/

    Remember when you still believed in innocent until proven guilty, with each accused entitled to his day in court, and not shot on sight, with his purported crime broadcast immediately? Remember when you still had the faculty to detect an enormous, world-class mound of bullshit?

    Swallowing nonsense nonstop, you become another empire idiot, for believing in cartoon narratives, you become a caricature yourself, with exaggerated, buffoonish emotions, unseemly in a civilized man, which you no longer are.

    A moronic cartoon, you’re conned by empty sound bites from two dimensional “leaders,” Clinton, Bush, Obama, Trump. Betrayed every four years, you can’t wait for the next joke election.

    How stupid must you be to not see that the American Israel Empire has rigged every aspect of your reality?

    By now, only a cretin can fail to see that the American Israel Empire is working nonstop to deform the Middle East, North Africa, Europe and, frankly, the rest of the world. Until it implodes, we can neither see straight nor even be ourselves.
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  36. This book was important in no small part because it came from two academic heavyweights. It had credibility. But it really did not break any new ground per se. ‘The Israel Lobby’ was scholarly but, in many ways, understated.

    ‘The Israel Lobby’ does not equal MacDonald’s ‘The Culture of Critique’. Only MacDonald dared to examine the broader range of Jewish-lead movements and their vast and destructive impact.

    Indeed, the West’s Jewish/Zionist problem (Israel Shamir refers to it ‘Organized Jewry’) is bigger and badder than anything suggested in ‘The Israel Lobby’.

    Mearsheimer and Walt’s focus was narrow. They sidestepped examining the full reach of the Jewish Lobby in Western civilization. Thus, they had nothing to say about Jewish financial influence or Jewish control of Big media and all of Hollywood. This oversight was no accident.

    As important as ‘The Israel Lobby’ was, the Jewish Lobby’s true tentacles are more rapacious and destructive than anything described in Mearsheimer and Walt’s book.

    No wonder Jewish liberals like Philip Weiss like to make a fuss over it. It was actually a gentle and limited exploration of Jewish power.

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  37. @Wally
    Laughable, juvenile, Zionist propaganda.

    There was no '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers'. They are in fact, impossible.

    Science, rational thought, & logic simply demolish the 'holocaust' storyline.
    And that's why there are Thought Crime Laws that imprison those who engage in free speech about it.

    Truth is hate to those that hate the truth.

    "Some stories are true that never happened."

    - Elie Wiesel
     
    www.codoh.com

    It always helps your argument if the other side is denied the opportunity to explain his point of view. If they are demonized and their careers are blocked pour encourager les autres, it helps further.

    That pretty much describes what happened to Hitler in the US and one would think the masses would’ve figured it out by now…

    Laughable, juvenile, Zionist propaganda.

    Wally, dear, I’m not sure what you’re responding to, but to clarify my position, Hitler and the Nazis were pretty much denied the opportunity to explain their point of view accurately at least in the “allied” world.”

    Hitler and the Nazis were demonized.

    Hitler and the Nazis also had their careers blocked to say the least, and it probably did discourage some others from attempting to exit the “approved” world banking system.

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  38. Svigor says:

    Ironically once it provoked that firestorm, suddenly publishers and literary agents recognized that there was a product people were interested in and suddenly they were contacting us and offering us book contracts.

    The vast majority of Jews suddenly lose all of their famous intelligence, perspicacity, imagination, and entrepreneurial spirit, in certain, shall we say, sensitive contexts. Goys often do the same, out of concern for their careers.

    “Walt and Mearsheimer are in the unfortunately opposite position of speaking truth to power. ”

    How are they in the ‘opposite position’ of speaking truth to power?

    Learn to read, my friend. It’s perfectly comprehensible English (that, in this case, obviously hinges on a preceding sentence, that you didn’t quote).

    Phil,

    While you are at it – I mean only the sessions with your shrink – you should suggest to your bosom buddy Atzmon, that when he engages in eager self-sodomy to earn Mearsheimer’s praise, he might consider applying some lubricant. Mearsheimer won’t change his endorsement.

    You’re a real credit to your race.

    So, you are saying that an “individual” cannot reject a part of what you perceive as Jewish identity without suffering from some sort of mental or emotional anguish that distorts his reasoning?

    He means [ad hominem here] because he has nothing of importance to say.

    Jews and their psychology pseudo-science, lol.

    Lefty loons like Weiss are so far beyond the pale in their attacks, that all these questions and qualifications are irrelevant. Look at Atzmon. He’s a completely unmoored Antisemite and a self-loathing creature who thinks that Jews used gentile children’s blood in their matzoh; that Hitler did what he did to Jews because they boycotted German exports. Otto Weininger, Hitler’s favourite Jew is Atzmon’s model. And Atzmon is Herrsheimer’s favourite Jew.

    “Lefty loon”: Jew who forgets that Jewish “leftism” is supposed to except the Jews from its strictures.

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  39. @Sam Shama

    So, you are saying that an “individual” cannot reject a part of what you perceive as Jewish identity without suffering from some sort of mental or emotional anguish that distorts his reasoning?
     
    Questions like this one get to issues of generality and specificity. Depends. "reject a part of Jewish identity". Reject which part may I ask?

    Lefty loons like Weiss are so far beyond the pale in their attacks, that all these questions and qualifications are irrelevant. Look at Atzmon. He's a completely unmoored Antisemite and a self-loathing creature who thinks that Jews used gentile children's blood in their matzoh; that Hitler did what he did to Jews because they boycotted German exports. Otto Weininger, Hitler's favourite Jew is Atzmon's model. And Atzmon is Herrsheimer's favourite Jew.

    Lefty loons like Weiss are so far beyond the pale in their attacks, that all these questions and qualifications are irrelevant. Look at Atzmon.

    Sam, what’s up with all that?

    I think Weiss and Atzmon have been, and are, on the right track. I read ‘em all the time.

    Also, WTF is an anti-Semite in your world anyway? In my world it’s a really dumb label and a mindless, vicious smear as it’s usually used. I thought Jews prided themselves on thinking out of the box, which is what Weiss, Atzmon, and others, such as Walt and Mearsheimer do. Even dumb goyim like me do it. You should try it sometime.

    What did Hitler do to the Jews beyond trying to work with Zionists and to encourage migration to Palestine? I would’ve thought you’d have agreed with the idea. At least you admit that some Jews initiated a boycott and worse against an already victimized and fairly prostrate Germany during the worldwide Great Depression.

    You guys are gonna hafta come up with some smears that are a little more original (and accurate) since the term, “anti-Semite” is fast losing its sting and is rather becoming a mark of distinction and pride when people use it as you seem to.

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    Jacques,
    the word Antisemitism is used for the lack of a better one, a final resort if you will, to understand irrationality when all rational explicators fail. Suggest a suitable alternative and I shall adopt it. Gladly.

    I don't wish to re-ignite the discussion surrounding the genesis of WWII, the role of Jews in it etc since I said all I've wanted on that subject unless compelled to. On it, therefore, I'll only remark that if a boycott of exports is sufficient cause to unleash genocide while ignoring all of Hitler's aims plainly elaborated in His Struggle, then I submit I've wronged Adolf.

    Now, as to Atzmon, perhaps I should've been more restrained in my words. But I've resided in the US for more than a decade and her customs are bound to rub off on one. This is the man who wrote of the Blood Libel:

    It seems I didn’t learn the necessary lesson because when we studied the middle age blood libels, I again wondered out loud how the teacher could know that these accusations of Jews making Matzo out of young Goyim’s blood were indeed empty or groundless."

    Sorry, there are limits.

    This is a man deeply troubled by his own identity; which in and of itself is common enough. Yet when he artificially looks at the rear-view mirror and assigns to the plurality of Jews his own demons, that is when I say basta!

    Israel-Palestine is another issue, one I suspect we'll have to revisit after Yom Kippur.

    Meaningful Fast, if you are Jewish, my friends.

    , @Lightworker
    Name calling is called Projection. Narcissism tactics. Smear campaigns are also narcissism tactics. Their game is old, outdated, and unable to fool people anymore. when these Jewish (or whatever they are) zionists call people anti-Semitic they are really calling themselves this name. they ARE the anti Semitic ones. they seem to think they have a patent on misery. the misery THEY CREATED as they made themselves victims in order to achieve their agenda. I would surely like to know where the Semetic Jews are because it appears they have had their identity stolen. Which is sad.
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  40. polskijoe says:
    @Anonymous
    The Israel Lobby wouldn't be effective at all without gentiles ready and able to carry out its murderous and genocidal goals. Amazing how so few can direct millions of Christians in the military, MIC, intelligence community, to sacrifice their eternal souls for some temporal reward on behalf of a pseudo-country.

    Christians in the West are Israel's willing executioners.

    I'm not saying they have to chuck out their livelihood, but just don't carry out immoral orders. My dad was in WWII in Japan. He told me he purposely fired above the heads of Japanese soldiers.

    There are about 150,000,000 Judeo-Christians in the USA. I get this number based on the amount of people who believe: “Jews are chosen” and “God supports modern Israel”

    However, what matters more is the number of billioniares and corporations which support Israel.

    Just ban duel citizenship for all top positions.

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    Just ban duel citizenship for all top positions.

    Nonsense. It won't be enough. It won't do anything.

    Jewish power in America is nearly absolute. They achieved the full spectrum dominance.

    Goy bye.

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  41. utu says:
    @polskijoe
    There are about 150,000,000 Judeo-Christians in the USA. I get this number based on the amount of people who believe: "Jews are chosen" and "God supports modern Israel"

    However, what matters more is the number of billioniares and corporations which support Israel.

    Just ban duel citizenship for all top positions.

    Just ban duel citizenship for all top positions.

    Nonsense. It won’t be enough. It won’t do anything.

    Jewish power in America is nearly absolute. They achieved the full spectrum dominance.

    Goy bye.

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  42. MarkinPNW says:
    @Anonymous
    The Israel Lobby wouldn't be effective at all without gentiles ready and able to carry out its murderous and genocidal goals. Amazing how so few can direct millions of Christians in the military, MIC, intelligence community, to sacrifice their eternal souls for some temporal reward on behalf of a pseudo-country.

    Christians in the West are Israel's willing executioners.

    I'm not saying they have to chuck out their livelihood, but just don't carry out immoral orders. My dad was in WWII in Japan. He told me he purposely fired above the heads of Japanese soldiers.

    My uncle also served against the Japanese. I do not remember him ever talking about his service, except once, when he told the story of some Japanese soldiers who were trying to surrender, and my Uncle’s Company Captain ordered my Uncle to shoot them. My Uncle refused, and offered his M-1 rifle to the Captain if he kept insisting on shooting the Japanese soldiers. The conclusion of the story is that that the Captain did not borrow my Uncle’s rifle, and allowed the enemy soldiers to surrender.

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    Very interesting story. You can be proud of your uncle. Unfortunately most Americans where killing Japanese who attempted to surrender left and right or sometimes killing them after they surrendered on the way back to headquarters. The ratio of 100:1 of killed to POW taken was so unprecedented that at some point GI's were incentivized by the promise of ice cream for a dessert for bringing POWs. In the last several months of the war the ratio was improved from 100:1 to 10:1. One may wonder how many Japanese owed their lives to the ice cream. Still only no more than 50k POWs were taken by Americans, while the brutal and awful Red Army in the last few weeks took 800k of Japanese out of which over 500k survived the Gulags. The orgy of killing in Pacific is one big ugly secret held already by several generations of Americans. Japanese culture of honor and shame also helps to keep the true story buried.
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  43. iffen says:
    @Sam Shama

    So, you are saying that an “individual” cannot reject a part of what you perceive as Jewish identity without suffering from some sort of mental or emotional anguish that distorts his reasoning?
     
    Questions like this one get to issues of generality and specificity. Depends. "reject a part of Jewish identity". Reject which part may I ask?

    Lefty loons like Weiss are so far beyond the pale in their attacks, that all these questions and qualifications are irrelevant. Look at Atzmon. He's a completely unmoored Antisemite and a self-loathing creature who thinks that Jews used gentile children's blood in their matzoh; that Hitler did what he did to Jews because they boycotted German exports. Otto Weininger, Hitler's favourite Jew is Atzmon's model. And Atzmon is Herrsheimer's favourite Jew.

    Reject which part may I ask?

    One answer would be that part that they reject that provokes you into throwing out the Herr* tag.

    Another answer would be that part of Jewish identity that says you can’t disavow Israel without disavowing your Jewishness.

    Loons like

    Yes on Atzmon. I haven’t read enough by Weiss, Walt or Meirsheimer to make that judgement on my own. I have read enough by Finkelstein to see that he has a loose screw.

    Atzmon is Herrsheimer’s favourite Jew.

    If true, this would not be a good sign and would arouse my suspicion that something was wrong.

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  44. Sam Shama says:
    @jacques sheete

    Lefty loons like Weiss are so far beyond the pale in their attacks, that all these questions and qualifications are irrelevant. Look at Atzmon.
     
    Sam, what's up with all that?

    I think Weiss and Atzmon have been, and are, on the right track. I read 'em all the time.

    Also, WTF is an anti-Semite in your world anyway? In my world it's a really dumb label and a mindless, vicious smear as it's usually used. I thought Jews prided themselves on thinking out of the box, which is what Weiss, Atzmon, and others, such as Walt and Mearsheimer do. Even dumb goyim like me do it. You should try it sometime.

    What did Hitler do to the Jews beyond trying to work with Zionists and to encourage migration to Palestine? I would've thought you'd have agreed with the idea. At least you admit that some Jews initiated a boycott and worse against an already victimized and fairly prostrate Germany during the worldwide Great Depression.

    You guys are gonna hafta come up with some smears that are a little more original (and accurate) since the term, "anti-Semite" is fast losing its sting and is rather becoming a mark of distinction and pride when people use it as you seem to.

    Jacques,
    the word Antisemitism is used for the lack of a better one, a final resort if you will, to understand irrationality when all rational explicators fail. Suggest a suitable alternative and I shall adopt it. Gladly.

    I don’t wish to re-ignite the discussion surrounding the genesis of WWII, the role of Jews in it etc since I said all I’ve wanted on that subject unless compelled to. On it, therefore, I’ll only remark that if a boycott of exports is sufficient cause to unleash genocide while ignoring all of Hitler’s aims plainly elaborated in His Struggle, then I submit I’ve wronged Adolf.

    Now, as to Atzmon, perhaps I should’ve been more restrained in my words. But I’ve resided in the US for more than a decade and her customs are bound to rub off on one. This is the man who wrote of the Blood Libel:

    It seems I didn’t learn the necessary lesson because when we studied the middle age blood libels, I again wondered out loud how the teacher could know that these accusations of Jews making Matzo out of young Goyim’s blood were indeed empty or groundless.”

    Sorry, there are limits.

    This is a man deeply troubled by his own identity; which in and of itself is common enough. Yet when he artificially looks at the rear-view mirror and assigns to the plurality of Jews his own demons, that is when I say basta!

    Israel-Palestine is another issue, one I suspect we’ll have to revisit after Yom Kippur.

    Meaningful Fast, if you are Jewish, my friends.

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    “It seems I didn’t learn the necessary lesson because when we studied the middle age blood libels, I again wondered out loud how the teacher could know that these accusations of Jews making Matzo out of young Goyim’s blood were indeed empty or groundless.”

    Excellent question. The most favored by Jews explanation of various anti-semitic beliefs is that they are just irrational beliefs bordering on psychiatric level disorders to which goys for reason of being goys who in addition being infected with evil Christianity have particular predilection. Fortunately not all Jews think this way and there were some with courage who decided to take a second look at the blood libel. Ariel Toaff, a professor of Medieval and Renaissance History at Bar Ilan University in Israel:

    Toaff thinks it possible that in certain Ashkenazi groups dried human blood came to play a magical role in calling down God's vengeance on Christians, the historic persecutors of the Jews, and that this reaction may have affected certain forms of ritual practice among a restricted number of Ashkenazi Jews during Passover.
     
    Note the qualifications of wiki editors: "certain," "restricted number" which are not those of Toaff. He throughly studied just one case and got convinced that the ritual took place and thus the perpetrators were justly convicted. He did not study other multiple cases in Europe or Middle East.
    , @jacques sheete

    On it, therefore, I’ll only remark that if a boycott of exports is sufficient cause to unleash genocide...
     
    Oh, for the sake of Yaweh, Sam! Do you really believe that old propaganda? You do know, don't you, that it's an old trick to demonize any competition one wants to crush, and that not only is war the health of the state, but that FDR and Churchill just couldn't wait to get into the war for many reasons. If Hitler had a halo and wings, and sacrificed and prayed to Yahweh Himself, he would have still been demonized and his career cut short.

    Hitler just wanted the troublemakers (Reds, mostly) to leave and to have an exclusive homogeneous society, one much like present day Israel. So, it wasn't so much the Jewish boycott on Germany that was the problem as it was the "Red" problem, which was mostly "Jewish," capische?

    Now, I'm really wondering what you mean by "anti-Semite," because you sure criticize a lot of Jews. In fact, since you asked, wouldn't a better term be "anti-Jew?" What's with the corny use of anti-Semitism whenever someone criticizes Jews?

    In fact, are you not aware that by criticizing the likes of Weiss and Atzmon, that you're sounding like an "anti-Semite?" You are getting close to sounding bitter, too, I think.

    If you don't come clean and answer my comments respectfully, I'll inflict more of my cringe-worthy poetry on you!!

    , @Anon
    "Once again I was sent home for a week."

    I've never been to parochial school but I wonder if you would be suspended for asking whether the early Christians worshipped an ass, or if Paul made everything up?
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  45. Svigor says:

    I thought Jews prided themselves on thinking out of the box

    Hahahahahahahahahaha good one. No that’s only on the topics that don’t fall under the sensitive umbrella.

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  46. utu says:
    @MarkinPNW
    My uncle also served against the Japanese. I do not remember him ever talking about his service, except once, when he told the story of some Japanese soldiers who were trying to surrender, and my Uncle's Company Captain ordered my Uncle to shoot them. My Uncle refused, and offered his M-1 rifle to the Captain if he kept insisting on shooting the Japanese soldiers. The conclusion of the story is that that the Captain did not borrow my Uncle's rifle, and allowed the enemy soldiers to surrender.

    Very interesting story. You can be proud of your uncle. Unfortunately most Americans where killing Japanese who attempted to surrender left and right or sometimes killing them after they surrendered on the way back to headquarters. The ratio of 100:1 of killed to POW taken was so unprecedented that at some point GI’s were incentivized by the promise of ice cream for a dessert for bringing POWs. In the last several months of the war the ratio was improved from 100:1 to 10:1. One may wonder how many Japanese owed their lives to the ice cream. Still only no more than 50k POWs were taken by Americans, while the brutal and awful Red Army in the last few weeks took 800k of Japanese out of which over 500k survived the Gulags. The orgy of killing in Pacific is one big ugly secret held already by several generations of Americans. Japanese culture of honor and shame also helps to keep the true story buried.

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    {Japanese culture of honor and shame also helps to keep the true story buried.}

    The so-called 'Japanese culture of honor and shame' did not stop them from murdering and enslaving millions of Chinese, Koreans, Filipino, and other Asians.
    The so-called 'Japanese culture of honor and shame' did not stop them from murdering 10s of 1,000s in Nanking.
    The so-called 'Japanese culture of honor and shame' did not stop them from treating Koreans like sub-humans, and enslaving 10s, of 1,000s of Asian women into sexual slavery ('comfort women' sic).

    Whatever terror was visited on Imperial Japanese war-criminal troops by GIs was richly deserved: Too effing bad. The Imperial Japanese fascists got away too easy.
    The monsters who created Unit 731 got what was coming to them.

    The filthy Imperialist Japanese scum are still unrepentant and still claim the teenager girls whom the savages enslaved and gang raped were 'volunteers'.
    Japanese VIPs still pay tribute to their war criminals.

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  47. Avery says:
    @utu
    Very interesting story. You can be proud of your uncle. Unfortunately most Americans where killing Japanese who attempted to surrender left and right or sometimes killing them after they surrendered on the way back to headquarters. The ratio of 100:1 of killed to POW taken was so unprecedented that at some point GI's were incentivized by the promise of ice cream for a dessert for bringing POWs. In the last several months of the war the ratio was improved from 100:1 to 10:1. One may wonder how many Japanese owed their lives to the ice cream. Still only no more than 50k POWs were taken by Americans, while the brutal and awful Red Army in the last few weeks took 800k of Japanese out of which over 500k survived the Gulags. The orgy of killing in Pacific is one big ugly secret held already by several generations of Americans. Japanese culture of honor and shame also helps to keep the true story buried.

    {Japanese culture of honor and shame also helps to keep the true story buried.}

    The so-called ‘Japanese culture of honor and shame’ did not stop them from murdering and enslaving millions of Chinese, Koreans, Filipino, and other Asians.
    The so-called ‘Japanese culture of honor and shame’ did not stop them from murdering 10s of 1,000s in Nanking.
    The so-called ‘Japanese culture of honor and shame’ did not stop them from treating Koreans like sub-humans, and enslaving 10s, of 1,000s of Asian women into sexual slavery (‘comfort women’ sic).

    Whatever terror was visited on Imperial Japanese war-criminal troops by GIs was richly deserved: Too effing bad. The Imperial Japanese fascists got away too easy.
    The monsters who created Unit 731 got what was coming to them.

    The filthy Imperialist Japanese scum are still unrepentant and still claim the teenager girls whom the savages enslaved and gang raped were ‘volunteers’.
    Japanese VIPs still pay tribute to their war criminals.

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    Whatever terror was visited on Imperial Japanese war-criminal troops by GIs was richly deserved...
     
    Only some of the military leadership were to blame. Most of the responsible leadership were overcome by the militaristic goons. FDR's policies enabled the militaristic fools to gain power.

    What have you to say about Stalin and his goons; you know, the bloody murderers supported by the "Allies?"
    , @utu

    Whatever terror was visited on Imperial Japanese war-criminal troops by GIs was richly deserved: Too effing bad. The Imperial Japanese fascists got away too easy.
     
    The 2nd sentence clearly gives you away as somebody who was subjected to the language of Soviet WWII and post WWII propaganda. I presume you grew up somewhere in the USSR but unfortunately you have never grew out of it. Believe me, growing out of it is possible. I met some former homo sovieticus who managed to join the human race. The 1st sentence is beyond the pale. You are just an angry animals who for weird reasons happened to learn the human speech. This ability is wasted on you.
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  48. utu says:
    @Sam Shama
    Jacques,
    the word Antisemitism is used for the lack of a better one, a final resort if you will, to understand irrationality when all rational explicators fail. Suggest a suitable alternative and I shall adopt it. Gladly.

    I don't wish to re-ignite the discussion surrounding the genesis of WWII, the role of Jews in it etc since I said all I've wanted on that subject unless compelled to. On it, therefore, I'll only remark that if a boycott of exports is sufficient cause to unleash genocide while ignoring all of Hitler's aims plainly elaborated in His Struggle, then I submit I've wronged Adolf.

    Now, as to Atzmon, perhaps I should've been more restrained in my words. But I've resided in the US for more than a decade and her customs are bound to rub off on one. This is the man who wrote of the Blood Libel:

    It seems I didn’t learn the necessary lesson because when we studied the middle age blood libels, I again wondered out loud how the teacher could know that these accusations of Jews making Matzo out of young Goyim’s blood were indeed empty or groundless."

    Sorry, there are limits.

    This is a man deeply troubled by his own identity; which in and of itself is common enough. Yet when he artificially looks at the rear-view mirror and assigns to the plurality of Jews his own demons, that is when I say basta!

    Israel-Palestine is another issue, one I suspect we'll have to revisit after Yom Kippur.

    Meaningful Fast, if you are Jewish, my friends.

    “It seems I didn’t learn the necessary lesson because when we studied the middle age blood libels, I again wondered out loud how the teacher could know that these accusations of Jews making Matzo out of young Goyim’s blood were indeed empty or groundless.”

    Excellent question. The most favored by Jews explanation of various anti-semitic beliefs is that they are just irrational beliefs bordering on psychiatric level disorders to which goys for reason of being goys who in addition being infected with evil Christianity have particular predilection. Fortunately not all Jews think this way and there were some with courage who decided to take a second look at the blood libel. Ariel Toaff, a professor of Medieval and Renaissance History at Bar Ilan University in Israel:

    Toaff thinks it possible that in certain Ashkenazi groups dried human blood came to play a magical role in calling down God’s vengeance on Christians, the historic persecutors of the Jews, and that this reaction may have affected certain forms of ritual practice among a restricted number of Ashkenazi Jews during Passover.

    Note the qualifications of wiki editors: “certain,” “restricted number” which are not those of Toaff. He throughly studied just one case and got convinced that the ritual took place and thus the perpetrators were justly convicted. He did not study other multiple cases in Europe or Middle East.

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    It's a good question. Obviously human sacrifice was never something looked on remotely positively by rabbinical Judaism, but we know witchcraft and occultism of various sorts were popular among medieval Jewry, which is not something anyone denies, and which may well have gone to extremes occasionally, as in the case Troaff studied.

    On the other hand it's interesting that the same accusation was made against early Christians presumably as a garbled version of the Eucharist.
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  49. @Avery
    {Japanese culture of honor and shame also helps to keep the true story buried.}

    The so-called 'Japanese culture of honor and shame' did not stop them from murdering and enslaving millions of Chinese, Koreans, Filipino, and other Asians.
    The so-called 'Japanese culture of honor and shame' did not stop them from murdering 10s of 1,000s in Nanking.
    The so-called 'Japanese culture of honor and shame' did not stop them from treating Koreans like sub-humans, and enslaving 10s, of 1,000s of Asian women into sexual slavery ('comfort women' sic).

    Whatever terror was visited on Imperial Japanese war-criminal troops by GIs was richly deserved: Too effing bad. The Imperial Japanese fascists got away too easy.
    The monsters who created Unit 731 got what was coming to them.

    The filthy Imperialist Japanese scum are still unrepentant and still claim the teenager girls whom the savages enslaved and gang raped were 'volunteers'.
    Japanese VIPs still pay tribute to their war criminals.

    Whatever terror was visited on Imperial Japanese war-criminal troops by GIs was richly deserved…

    Only some of the military leadership were to blame. Most of the responsible leadership were overcome by the militaristic goons. FDR’s policies enabled the militaristic fools to gain power.

    What have you to say about Stalin and his goons; you know, the bloody murderers supported by the “Allies?”

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  50. @Sam Shama
    Jacques,
    the word Antisemitism is used for the lack of a better one, a final resort if you will, to understand irrationality when all rational explicators fail. Suggest a suitable alternative and I shall adopt it. Gladly.

    I don't wish to re-ignite the discussion surrounding the genesis of WWII, the role of Jews in it etc since I said all I've wanted on that subject unless compelled to. On it, therefore, I'll only remark that if a boycott of exports is sufficient cause to unleash genocide while ignoring all of Hitler's aims plainly elaborated in His Struggle, then I submit I've wronged Adolf.

    Now, as to Atzmon, perhaps I should've been more restrained in my words. But I've resided in the US for more than a decade and her customs are bound to rub off on one. This is the man who wrote of the Blood Libel:

    It seems I didn’t learn the necessary lesson because when we studied the middle age blood libels, I again wondered out loud how the teacher could know that these accusations of Jews making Matzo out of young Goyim’s blood were indeed empty or groundless."

    Sorry, there are limits.

    This is a man deeply troubled by his own identity; which in and of itself is common enough. Yet when he artificially looks at the rear-view mirror and assigns to the plurality of Jews his own demons, that is when I say basta!

    Israel-Palestine is another issue, one I suspect we'll have to revisit after Yom Kippur.

    Meaningful Fast, if you are Jewish, my friends.

    On it, therefore, I’ll only remark that if a boycott of exports is sufficient cause to unleash genocide…

    Oh, for the sake of Yaweh, Sam! Do you really believe that old propaganda? You do know, don’t you, that it’s an old trick to demonize any competition one wants to crush, and that not only is war the health of the state, but that FDR and Churchill just couldn’t wait to get into the war for many reasons. If Hitler had a halo and wings, and sacrificed and prayed to Yahweh Himself, he would have still been demonized and his career cut short.

    Hitler just wanted the troublemakers (Reds, mostly) to leave and to have an exclusive homogeneous society, one much like present day Israel. So, it wasn’t so much the Jewish boycott on Germany that was the problem as it was the “Red” problem, which was mostly “Jewish,” capische?

    Now, I’m really wondering what you mean by “anti-Semite,” because you sure criticize a lot of Jews. In fact, since you asked, wouldn’t a better term be “anti-Jew?” What’s with the corny use of anti-Semitism whenever someone criticizes Jews?

    In fact, are you not aware that by criticizing the likes of Weiss and Atzmon, that you’re sounding like an “anti-Semite?” You are getting close to sounding bitter, too, I think.

    If you don’t come clean and answer my comments respectfully, I’ll inflict more of my cringe-worthy poetry on you!!

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  51. utu says:
    @Avery
    {Japanese culture of honor and shame also helps to keep the true story buried.}

    The so-called 'Japanese culture of honor and shame' did not stop them from murdering and enslaving millions of Chinese, Koreans, Filipino, and other Asians.
    The so-called 'Japanese culture of honor and shame' did not stop them from murdering 10s of 1,000s in Nanking.
    The so-called 'Japanese culture of honor and shame' did not stop them from treating Koreans like sub-humans, and enslaving 10s, of 1,000s of Asian women into sexual slavery ('comfort women' sic).

    Whatever terror was visited on Imperial Japanese war-criminal troops by GIs was richly deserved: Too effing bad. The Imperial Japanese fascists got away too easy.
    The monsters who created Unit 731 got what was coming to them.

    The filthy Imperialist Japanese scum are still unrepentant and still claim the teenager girls whom the savages enslaved and gang raped were 'volunteers'.
    Japanese VIPs still pay tribute to their war criminals.

    Whatever terror was visited on Imperial Japanese war-criminal troops by GIs was richly deserved: Too effing bad. The Imperial Japanese fascists got away too easy.

    The 2nd sentence clearly gives you away as somebody who was subjected to the language of Soviet WWII and post WWII propaganda. I presume you grew up somewhere in the USSR but unfortunately you have never grew out of it. Believe me, growing out of it is possible. I met some former homo sovieticus who managed to join the human race. The 1st sentence is beyond the pale. You are just an angry animals who for weird reasons happened to learn the human speech. This ability is wasted on you.

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    The 2nd sentence clearly gives you away as somebody who was subjected to the language of Soviet WWII and post WWII propaganda.
     
    Old, threadbare, hackneyed Allied and Red propaganda still lives, 75 years after the fact, and people still parrot it as if they know anything. Amazing.

    Avery and people with similar notions such as Sam, should introduce themselves to this bit of truth and they should understand that the author was Jewish.


    "… Germany and Japan are not uniquely 'aggressor nations,' doomed from birth to menace the peace of the world.

    ... Once again, the American public is being subjected to a nearly unanimous barrage of war propaganda and war hysteria, so that only the most searching and rational can keep their heads. Once again, we find that there has emerged upon the scene an Enemy, a Bad Guy, with the same old Bad Guy characteristics that we have heard of before; a diabolic, monolithic Enemy, which, generations ago in some "sacred texts," decided (for reasons that remain obscure) that it was "out to conquer the world."

    “… this entire myth, so prevalent then and even now about Hitler, and about the Japanese, is a tissue of fallacies from beginning to end. Every plank in this nightmare evidence is either completely untrue or not entirely the truth.

    Murray Rothbard, Revisionism for Our Time
    Mr. Rothbard was an American Jew and an historian of the very highest caliber.
    http://mises.org/daily/2592


    -Murray N. Rothbard, Revisionism for Our Time
    https://mises.org/library/revisionism-our-time

     

    , @Avery
    {. You are just an angry animals who for weird reasons happened to learn the human speech. This ability is wasted on you.}

    Touched a nerve there, baboon ?

    Many of your distant kin were Imperial Japanese mass murderers and war criminals, were they?
    Too bad any of them were left alive during the war, to give rise to Japanese fascists who today deny what their ancestors did to Chinese, Koreans, Flipinos,.....
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  52. Wally says: • Website
    @Randal

    Or to put that another way: This interview was not on 60 Minutes, MSNBC, or the New York Times!
     
    Reinforcing the fact that the most urgent problem is not really either "antisemitism" or jewish dual loyalty, just as it is not "racism" or "antiracism", but rather it is the fact that in each case one side is largely successful in suppressing the free expression of the other, thus biasing the public debate and therefore opinion and therefore policy. The result is policy warped out of true in favour of the powerful identity and other lobbies behind the creation and maintenance of these taboos, whether foreign policy (wars fought in the interests of foreign nations) or domestic (the ongoing attempt to suppress free speech by creating a "hate speech" exception, active suppression of traditionalist, nativist, Christian etc liberties, globalism, promotion of mass immigration, etc).

    The value of Unz is precisely that it stands against that suppression, to publish the "Interesting, Important, and Controversial Perspectives Largely Excluded from the American Mainstream Media".

    One of the more controversial pieces here recently was Giraldi's piece arguing that there is a problem with dual loyalty amongst jewish nationalists in positions of influence in the US biasing policy towards wars they see as favouring Israel (America's Jews Are Driving America's Wars). The details can be debated, though nobody yet has come up with any convincing counter to the basic thrust of his piece and most criticisms have been aimed at its tone or at straw men. But what is really important about that piece, and the reason he and it should be supported even by those who do not necessarily agree with his point or the way it was expressed, is precisely that it simply could not be published in any mainstream media outlet, and indeed Giraldi was promptly sacked from even a fringe political publication merely for having had it published elsewhere.

    It has been argued persuasively that we cannot be confident of the truth of any position once we have refused to allow the arguments against it to be heard. It may also be the case that genuine freedom of political expression is an unachievable ideal, but at least we should try to get as close as possible to that ideal, rather than meekly surrendering to the leftist position that says some opinions are too dangerous to be heard.

    Randal said:

    “It has been argued persuasively that we cannot be confident of the truth of any position once we have refused to allow the arguments against it to be heard.”

    Bingo!

    Suppression of free speech & inquiry is exactly what the “Holocau$t Industry” does, hence the quote:

    The ‘holocaust’ storyline is one of the most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. That is why those who question it are arrested and persecuted. That is why violent, racist, & privileged Jewish supremacists demand censorship. What sort of truth is it that denies free speech and freedom to inquiry?
    Truth needs no protection from scrutiny.

    Dr. Arthur Robert Butz has aptly stated:

    “The ‘Holocaust’ is such a gigantic fraud that it is a cornucopia of absurdities.”

    http://www.codoh.com

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  53. Wally says: • Website
    @Anon
    You are attacking someone who agrees with you, moron.

    I suggest you read Jacques response, redneck Zionist. Oops.

    Still waiting for you to tell everyone how your laughable ‘gas chambers’ worked.

    Still owning you, redneck Zionist.

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  54. Engineer says:
    @Randal

    Or to put that another way: This interview was not on 60 Minutes, MSNBC, or the New York Times!
     
    Reinforcing the fact that the most urgent problem is not really either "antisemitism" or jewish dual loyalty, just as it is not "racism" or "antiracism", but rather it is the fact that in each case one side is largely successful in suppressing the free expression of the other, thus biasing the public debate and therefore opinion and therefore policy. The result is policy warped out of true in favour of the powerful identity and other lobbies behind the creation and maintenance of these taboos, whether foreign policy (wars fought in the interests of foreign nations) or domestic (the ongoing attempt to suppress free speech by creating a "hate speech" exception, active suppression of traditionalist, nativist, Christian etc liberties, globalism, promotion of mass immigration, etc).

    The value of Unz is precisely that it stands against that suppression, to publish the "Interesting, Important, and Controversial Perspectives Largely Excluded from the American Mainstream Media".

    One of the more controversial pieces here recently was Giraldi's piece arguing that there is a problem with dual loyalty amongst jewish nationalists in positions of influence in the US biasing policy towards wars they see as favouring Israel (America's Jews Are Driving America's Wars). The details can be debated, though nobody yet has come up with any convincing counter to the basic thrust of his piece and most criticisms have been aimed at its tone or at straw men. But what is really important about that piece, and the reason he and it should be supported even by those who do not necessarily agree with his point or the way it was expressed, is precisely that it simply could not be published in any mainstream media outlet, and indeed Giraldi was promptly sacked from even a fringe political publication merely for having had it published elsewhere.

    It has been argued persuasively that we cannot be confident of the truth of any position once we have refused to allow the arguments against it to be heard. It may also be the case that genuine freedom of political expression is an unachievable ideal, but at least we should try to get as close as possible to that ideal, rather than meekly surrendering to the leftist position that says some opinions are too dangerous to be heard.

    Very good post, thank you. Particularly this part:

    It has been argued persuasively that we cannot be confident of the truth of any position once we have refused to allow the arguments against it to be heard. It may also be the case that genuine freedom of political expression is an unachievable ideal, but at least we should try to get as close as possible to that ideal, rather than meekly surrendering to the leftist position that says some opinions are too dangerous to be heard.

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  55. They didn’t win on the Iran nuclear deal. Which doesn’t mean that they won’t come back to it. The real die-hards won’t be satisfied until Iran is a devastated, balkanized remnant of its current self. They want for it, what we did to Iraq.

    But NK and its nukes are hogging the headlines. And our EU/NATO allies would NOT be happy if we gifted them another wave of 3,000,000 refugees from a devastated Iran.

    But the clincher I think was that the Pentagon weighed in on the Iran deal, saying in effect, “We’re not (yet) ready for another war of that magnitude.” AIPAC will not take on the Pentagon.

    The Friends of Israel here in the US are by and large an incredibly talented and intelligent group of people. And very savvy, politically. The only labels they fear are “Anti-American,”, “Unpatriotic,” “Disloyal,” etc. By pushing for another very expensive and unpopular war that would only benefit a select group of military contractors and the state of Israel, they were risking just such attribution.

    Now that the $4 trillion and counting disaster that was Iraq has curbed the public appetite for further expeditionary wars in the Middle East, it seems that attention has returned to the strategic theatre where it belongs: The Far East.

    Failing some new 9-11 I don’t think we’ll be wasting any more treasure on a new Middle East war, no matter what the Israel Lobby might want.

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    AIPAC will not take on the Pentagon.
     
    AIPAC doesn't need to do that. The Pentagon is a playground for Israeli generals and has been for some time. Apparently, despite Nutanyahoo, the Izzie generals are agin' a shooting war on Iran at this time.

    These articles deal with the concept that the Pentagun is Israeli military territory and the idea that we are lied into war and that information is suppressed while propaganda is spoon fed to the masses.


    But there were other enemies within, anyone who dared voice any skepticism about their grand plans…

    - Jim Lobe , How neo-cons influence the Pentagon ...

    http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/EH08Ak01.html
     


    At the time, I didn't realize that the expertise on Middle East policy was not only being removed, but was also being exchanged for that from various agenda-bearing think tanks, including the Middle East Media Research Institute, the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, and the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs.

    http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/EH08Ak01.html


     

    , @Miro23

    But the clincher I think was that the Pentagon weighed in on the Iran deal, saying in effect, “We’re not (yet) ready for another war of that magnitude.” AIPAC will not take on the Pentagon.

    The Friends of Israel here in the US are by and large an incredibly talented and intelligent group of people. And very savvy, politically. The only labels they fear are “Anti-American,”, “Unpatriotic,” “Disloyal,” etc. By pushing for another very expensive and unpopular war that would only benefit a select group of military contractors and the state of Israel, they were risking just such attribution.

    Now that the $4 trillion and counting disaster that was Iraq has curbed the public appetite for further expeditionary wars in the Middle East, it seems that attention has returned to the strategic theatre where it belongs: The Far East.

    Failing some new 9-11 I don’t think we’ll be wasting any more treasure on a new Middle East war, no matter what the Israel Lobby might want.
     
    In other words, the US public is exhausted, and has reached its limit with ME wars and Zioglob activism.

    But that still leaves the 9-11 aspect and the strategic theatre.

    9-11 was preceded by a media buildup targeting Iraq, such that the "event" quickly triggered action, and now, there's a similar (equally fake) media buildup targeting Russia, which is suspicious.

    Also, an "event" involving Russia would dispense with another long drawn out and expensive war, with a real chance of engaging the US nuclear arsenal - the one aspect of US power that the Zioglob haven't yet got their hands on.

    It's almost unbelievable that they would use a False Flag to trigger a first strike against Russia (and btw Iran) but the extreme evil and treachery behind 9-11 proves that Gentile lives are dispensable anywhere and on any scale.
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  56. @utu

    Whatever terror was visited on Imperial Japanese war-criminal troops by GIs was richly deserved: Too effing bad. The Imperial Japanese fascists got away too easy.
     
    The 2nd sentence clearly gives you away as somebody who was subjected to the language of Soviet WWII and post WWII propaganda. I presume you grew up somewhere in the USSR but unfortunately you have never grew out of it. Believe me, growing out of it is possible. I met some former homo sovieticus who managed to join the human race. The 1st sentence is beyond the pale. You are just an angry animals who for weird reasons happened to learn the human speech. This ability is wasted on you.

    The 2nd sentence clearly gives you away as somebody who was subjected to the language of Soviet WWII and post WWII propaganda.

    Old, threadbare, hackneyed Allied and Red propaganda still lives, 75 years after the fact, and people still parrot it as if they know anything. Amazing.

    Avery and people with similar notions such as Sam, should introduce themselves to this bit of truth and they should understand that the author was Jewish.

    “… Germany and Japan are not uniquely ‘aggressor nations,’ doomed from birth to menace the peace of the world.

    … Once again, the American public is being subjected to a nearly unanimous barrage of war propaganda and war hysteria, so that only the most searching and rational can keep their heads. Once again, we find that there has emerged upon the scene an Enemy, a Bad Guy, with the same old Bad Guy characteristics that we have heard of before; a diabolic, monolithic Enemy, which, generations ago in some “sacred texts,” decided (for reasons that remain obscure) that it was “out to conquer the world.”

    “… this entire myth, so prevalent then and even now about Hitler, and about the Japanese, is a tissue of fallacies from beginning to end. Every plank in this nightmare evidence is either completely untrue or not entirely the truth.

    Murray Rothbard, Revisionism for Our Time
    Mr. Rothbard was an American Jew and an historian of the very highest caliber.

    http://mises.org/daily/2592

    -Murray N. Rothbard, Revisionism for Our Time

    https://mises.org/library/revisionism-our-time

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  57. Avery says:
    @utu

    Whatever terror was visited on Imperial Japanese war-criminal troops by GIs was richly deserved: Too effing bad. The Imperial Japanese fascists got away too easy.
     
    The 2nd sentence clearly gives you away as somebody who was subjected to the language of Soviet WWII and post WWII propaganda. I presume you grew up somewhere in the USSR but unfortunately you have never grew out of it. Believe me, growing out of it is possible. I met some former homo sovieticus who managed to join the human race. The 1st sentence is beyond the pale. You are just an angry animals who for weird reasons happened to learn the human speech. This ability is wasted on you.

    {. You are just an angry animals who for weird reasons happened to learn the human speech. This ability is wasted on you.}

    Touched a nerve there, baboon ?

    Many of your distant kin were Imperial Japanese mass murderers and war criminals, were they?
    Too bad any of them were left alive during the war, to give rise to Japanese fascists who today deny what their ancestors did to Chinese, Koreans, Flipinos,…..

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  58. JackOH says:
    @Randal

    Or to put that another way: This interview was not on 60 Minutes, MSNBC, or the New York Times!
     
    Reinforcing the fact that the most urgent problem is not really either "antisemitism" or jewish dual loyalty, just as it is not "racism" or "antiracism", but rather it is the fact that in each case one side is largely successful in suppressing the free expression of the other, thus biasing the public debate and therefore opinion and therefore policy. The result is policy warped out of true in favour of the powerful identity and other lobbies behind the creation and maintenance of these taboos, whether foreign policy (wars fought in the interests of foreign nations) or domestic (the ongoing attempt to suppress free speech by creating a "hate speech" exception, active suppression of traditionalist, nativist, Christian etc liberties, globalism, promotion of mass immigration, etc).

    The value of Unz is precisely that it stands against that suppression, to publish the "Interesting, Important, and Controversial Perspectives Largely Excluded from the American Mainstream Media".

    One of the more controversial pieces here recently was Giraldi's piece arguing that there is a problem with dual loyalty amongst jewish nationalists in positions of influence in the US biasing policy towards wars they see as favouring Israel (America's Jews Are Driving America's Wars). The details can be debated, though nobody yet has come up with any convincing counter to the basic thrust of his piece and most criticisms have been aimed at its tone or at straw men. But what is really important about that piece, and the reason he and it should be supported even by those who do not necessarily agree with his point or the way it was expressed, is precisely that it simply could not be published in any mainstream media outlet, and indeed Giraldi was promptly sacked from even a fringe political publication merely for having had it published elsewhere.

    It has been argued persuasively that we cannot be confident of the truth of any position once we have refused to allow the arguments against it to be heard. It may also be the case that genuine freedom of political expression is an unachievable ideal, but at least we should try to get as close as possible to that ideal, rather than meekly surrendering to the leftist position that says some opinions are too dangerous to be heard.

    Excellent comment, Randal. I read Giraldi’s piece, after having read a few disparaging comments about it. I thought it was clear and obvious to me that Giraldi was talking about a few hundred Jews in policy-making positions, media, think tanks, and so on, who are driving American policy in the Mideast in ways that may be unfavorable to America’s national interests.

    BTW-I saw Valerie Plame speak maybe two years ago and talked to her for a moment at a book-signing. She was an impressive and sensible speaker, and I doubt she has a trace of anti-Jewish animus in her.

    I’m okay with the state of Israel, and don’t think that much about it. But, if it’s true that the disastrous, multi-trillion dollar Iraq II was driven by Jewish and Israeli interests against clearly preferable American interests, then, at the very least, the architects of that war have to be called out. I don’t know how you do that without risking career and reputation.

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    Given the responsibility of Bush; Cheney and Rumsfeld (to whom you can add in Blair) I wonder whether it is right to describe the Jewish neocons as the (sic) architects. It may be worth recalling too that the push to deal with Iraq sas on for a decafe or mote before it happened.
    , @Bahmi
    Just read recently that Valerie Plame is Jewish.....she admits it.
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  59. I was a hardcore Chomskyite devouring every single word he wrote until The Israel Lobby was published.

    Chomsky wrote a piece on it that really confused me. He wanted to rip it, but there was so much cognitive dissonance going on that I could not understand what Noam was trying to say. In 4chan parlance, he was so assblasted and BTFO, that he could only resort to autistic screeching.

    I didn’t read Walt and Mearsheimer back when it came out, but Chomsky’s response to it was so weird and off-putting that I stopped reading him and started looking for other writers to follow. Those two gentlemen broke Noam Chomsky.

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    No those two didnt break anybody. Both Chomsky and Walt and Mearsheimer are controlled opposition and I'm surprised that many otherwise observant commenters dont get that. If they were genuine the critique could be much more biting. But the whole arrangement with a clearly visible component seemingly external to the US and controlling it is misdirection.
    The British created it in the 1840s for the purpose of controlling the US and it spawned into ADL and AIPAC etc. Since Britain created the angloamerican establishment intended to populate all inhabitable parts of the world with anglosaxons they had an even more effective tool. And since then the centre of mass has probably settled inside the US. But in addition they had also inserted John Nelson Darby's variant of Christian Zionism to control the Christians. It predicts an apocalypse involving Israel and that the jews will convert after fighting it. and therefore the affected fundamentalists are sort of expecting WW3 believing it is predicted in the Bible.
    All these control mechanisms are at work but in what way is Israel acting against the AA oligarchy? That question needs to be asked since the critique of the jewish lobby etc implies that the AA oligarchy really would prefer not to have an aggressive Israel. And really would have development of the ME instead of perpetual wars.
    Where is the evidence for that?
    Perhaps W&Ms lame critique of Israel gives a hint of a slight divergence of the US/UK/Israel brothers in crime. I am just guessing but I am sure nothing honest ever emerges from the establishment to which they undoubtedly belong even if some degree of repression is feigned in order to make it more convincing to the guillible. Therefore I assume the US critique of Israel is not about their warrying manners, but rather about them deviating from the pure proxy-role. What deviation might that be? Too friendly with some of US' rivals?
    Something connected with Britain being too friendly with those rivals?
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  60. @Randal

    Or to put that another way: This interview was not on 60 Minutes, MSNBC, or the New York Times!
     
    Reinforcing the fact that the most urgent problem is not really either "antisemitism" or jewish dual loyalty, just as it is not "racism" or "antiracism", but rather it is the fact that in each case one side is largely successful in suppressing the free expression of the other, thus biasing the public debate and therefore opinion and therefore policy. The result is policy warped out of true in favour of the powerful identity and other lobbies behind the creation and maintenance of these taboos, whether foreign policy (wars fought in the interests of foreign nations) or domestic (the ongoing attempt to suppress free speech by creating a "hate speech" exception, active suppression of traditionalist, nativist, Christian etc liberties, globalism, promotion of mass immigration, etc).

    The value of Unz is precisely that it stands against that suppression, to publish the "Interesting, Important, and Controversial Perspectives Largely Excluded from the American Mainstream Media".

    One of the more controversial pieces here recently was Giraldi's piece arguing that there is a problem with dual loyalty amongst jewish nationalists in positions of influence in the US biasing policy towards wars they see as favouring Israel (America's Jews Are Driving America's Wars). The details can be debated, though nobody yet has come up with any convincing counter to the basic thrust of his piece and most criticisms have been aimed at its tone or at straw men. But what is really important about that piece, and the reason he and it should be supported even by those who do not necessarily agree with his point or the way it was expressed, is precisely that it simply could not be published in any mainstream media outlet, and indeed Giraldi was promptly sacked from even a fringe political publication merely for having had it published elsewhere.

    It has been argued persuasively that we cannot be confident of the truth of any position once we have refused to allow the arguments against it to be heard. It may also be the case that genuine freedom of political expression is an unachievable ideal, but at least we should try to get as close as possible to that ideal, rather than meekly surrendering to the leftist position that says some opinions are too dangerous to be heard.

    … in each case one side is largely successful in suppressing the free expression of the other, thus biasing the public debate and therefore opinion and therefore policy. The result is policy warped out of true in favour of the powerful identity and other lobbies behind the creation and maintenance of these taboos, whether foreign policy (wars fought in the interests of foreign nations) or domestic (the ongoing attempt to suppress free speech by creating a “hate speech” exception, active suppression of traditionalist, nativist, Christian etc liberties, globalism, promotion of mass immigration, etc).

    True.

    Anyone interested in fleshing out the details of that observation need look no further than this fascinating and fact filled work.:

    - Harry Elmer Barnes, Revisionism: A Key to Peace, The Rampart Journal, V01. II, No. 1

    https://mises.org/sites/default/files/rampart_spring1966_2.pdf

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  61. Nobody can imagine what world should be w/o the Jews.

    Space exploration stopped when they started controlling the USA, so there is your sign.

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  62. @Hieronymosofcardia
    They didn’t win on the Iran nuclear deal. Which doesn’t mean that they won’t come back to it. The real die-hards won’t be satisfied until Iran is a devastated, balkanized remnant of its current self. They want for it, what we did to Iraq.

    But NK and its nukes are hogging the headlines. And our EU/NATO allies would NOT be happy if we gifted them another wave of 3,000,000 refugees from a devastated Iran.

    But the clincher I think was that the Pentagon weighed in on the Iran deal, saying in effect, “We’re not (yet) ready for another war of that magnitude.” AIPAC will not take on the Pentagon.

    The Friends of Israel here in the US are by and large an incredibly talented and intelligent group of people. And very savvy, politically. The only labels they fear are “Anti-American,”, “Unpatriotic,” “Disloyal,” etc. By pushing for another very expensive and unpopular war that would only benefit a select group of military contractors and the state of Israel, they were risking just such attribution.

    Now that the $4 trillion and counting disaster that was Iraq has curbed the public appetite for further expeditionary wars in the Middle East, it seems that attention has returned to the strategic theatre where it belongs: The Far East.

    Failing some new 9-11 I don’t think we’ll be wasting any more treasure on a new Middle East war, no matter what the Israel Lobby might want.

    AIPAC will not take on the Pentagon.

    AIPAC doesn’t need to do that. The Pentagon is a playground for Israeli generals and has been for some time. Apparently, despite Nutanyahoo, the Izzie generals are agin’ a shooting war on Iran at this time.

    These articles deal with the concept that the Pentagun is Israeli military territory and the idea that we are lied into war and that information is suppressed while propaganda is spoon fed to the masses.

    But there were other enemies within, anyone who dared voice any skepticism about their grand plans…

    - Jim Lobe , How neo-cons influence the Pentagon …

    http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/EH08Ak01.html

    At the time, I didn’t realize that the expertise on Middle East policy was not only being removed, but was also being exchanged for that from various agenda-bearing think tanks, including the Middle East Media Research Institute, the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, and the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs.

    http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/EH08Ak01.html

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    Ooops, the reference for the second quote should have this link instead. It's from an article written by LtCol Karen kwiatkowski, a former Pentagon staffer.:

    https://www.salon.com/2004/03/10/osp_moveon/
     
    , @Hieronymosofcardia

    AIPAC doesn’t need to do that. The Pentagon is a playground for Israeli generals and has been for some time. Apparently, despite Nutanyahoo, the Izzie generals are agin’ a shooting war on Iran at this time.

    These articles deal with the concept that the Pentagun is Israeli military territory and the idea that we are lied into war and that information is suppressed while propaganda is spoon fed to the masses.
     
    Yes, it's obvious that the true nature of the Israeli military occupation is hidden and/or sugarcoated by IL familiars withi the MSM. Also, that IL influence within various conservative politico-military think tanks is strong re: M.East policy and planning. But you make NO case about meaningful IL influence within the uniformed military and the security services.

    The a-times articles you quote are almost 15 years old. Do you have anything current on IL penetration/influence on the Pentagon? Anything at all? That Iraq2 was a "joint venture" between the Pentagon and IL is extremely clear, imo. The balkanization and devastation of Iraq has been a key Israeli foreign policy since the '50's. But even the Bush admin stopped short of invading Iran in '07. Probably because they were unwilling to endure the heat from Iranian conventional (Silkworm AS missles, etc.) interdiction of the Straits of Hormuz for an indeterminate time (up to a month?). Same dynamics apply today.

    During the IL-manufactured near-war with Iran last year, you may notice that oil spot market prices didn't inflate to anything close to the severity of '07. Which means to my mind, that smart money was clear that the Pentagon was NOT on board with an Iran war.

    Was speaking with Peter Dale Scott a few weeks ago, who like any prominent modern scholar is very clear about influence of IL within the Deep State. That Congress and the POTUS are completely on board with the IL is old news. Feith, Rumsfeld, et al were NOT generals/admirals, so using them as examples is true, but irrelevant to IL influence within Pentagon internal culture.

    The Pentagon went to war with Afghanistan & Iraq after 9-11 BECAUSE the Pentagon wanted to do just that. It only happened because of the convergence of their interests and those of the IL and the Cheney Petro-lobby.

    But the degree to which the Pentagon is--or isn't--on board with another unnecessary Middle East war remains unclear. What IS CLEAR is that by '16, US strategic deployments were overwhelmingly centred on the containment of China.

    The IL is indeed a very powerful institution in current US affairs--one of the most influential when it comes to Congress/POTUS and the MSM.

    But it's not all-powerful as some of the more paranoid and possibly anti-semitic posters on this thread seem to want to believe.
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  63. @Anonymous
    The Israel Lobby wouldn't be effective at all without gentiles ready and able to carry out its murderous and genocidal goals. Amazing how so few can direct millions of Christians in the military, MIC, intelligence community, to sacrifice their eternal souls for some temporal reward on behalf of a pseudo-country.

    Christians in the West are Israel's willing executioners.

    I'm not saying they have to chuck out their livelihood, but just don't carry out immoral orders. My dad was in WWII in Japan. He told me he purposely fired above the heads of Japanese soldiers.

    The only American soldiers “in WWII in Japan” were POWs without their weapons so there’s something wrong with the story.

    Or was your dad declinimg to help take Iwo Jima or Okinawa?

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  64. @jacques sheete

    AIPAC will not take on the Pentagon.
     
    AIPAC doesn't need to do that. The Pentagon is a playground for Israeli generals and has been for some time. Apparently, despite Nutanyahoo, the Izzie generals are agin' a shooting war on Iran at this time.

    These articles deal with the concept that the Pentagun is Israeli military territory and the idea that we are lied into war and that information is suppressed while propaganda is spoon fed to the masses.


    But there were other enemies within, anyone who dared voice any skepticism about their grand plans…

    - Jim Lobe , How neo-cons influence the Pentagon ...

    http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/EH08Ak01.html
     


    At the time, I didn't realize that the expertise on Middle East policy was not only being removed, but was also being exchanged for that from various agenda-bearing think tanks, including the Middle East Media Research Institute, the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, and the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs.

    http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/EH08Ak01.html


     

    Ooops, the reference for the second quote should have this link instead. It’s from an article written by LtCol Karen kwiatkowski, a former Pentagon staffer.:

    https://www.salon.com/2004/03/10/osp_moveon/

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  65. @JackOH
    Excellent comment, Randal. I read Giraldi's piece, after having read a few disparaging comments about it. I thought it was clear and obvious to me that Giraldi was talking about a few hundred Jews in policy-making positions, media, think tanks, and so on, who are driving American policy in the Mideast in ways that may be unfavorable to America's national interests.

    BTW-I saw Valerie Plame speak maybe two years ago and talked to her for a moment at a book-signing. She was an impressive and sensible speaker, and I doubt she has a trace of anti-Jewish animus in her.

    I'm okay with the state of Israel, and don't think that much about it. But, if it's true that the disastrous, multi-trillion dollar Iraq II was driven by Jewish and Israeli interests against clearly preferable American interests, then, at the very least, the architects of that war have to be called out. I don't know how you do that without risking career and reputation.

    Given the responsibility of Bush; Cheney and Rumsfeld (to whom you can add in Blair) I wonder whether it is right to describe the Jewish neocons as the (sic) architects. It may be worth recalling too that the push to deal with Iraq sas on for a decafe or mote before it happened.

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    " . . . [T]he architects of that war [Iraq II] have to be called out." Yep, including the Americans you mentioned. FWIW-I don't actually know if there was an honorable motive somehow secreted within the reasons for our destroying Iraq. We ought to know about that, too.
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  66. geokat62 says:

    Another fantastic article by Phil Weiss, who some would describe as a “self-loathing creature” for revealing the truth. While I’ve provided an excerpt of the first few paragraphs below, it’s worth reading the entire article:

    Three megadonors (who just happen to love Israel) are pushing Trump against Iran deal

    You’d think that in Year 15 of the Iraq debacle, neoconservative would be a dirty word in America; but neoconservatives are having a field day! Phil Giraldi’s article blaming American Jews for stoking the “war engine,” followed by Valerie Plame’s retweet of the article, has given neocons (adherents of a hawkish ideology that came out of the Jewish community) an opportunity to grandstand about the supposed anti-semitism of the antiwar community.

    Bret Stephens in the New York Times and Jamie Kirchick are using the occasion to paint all critics of the Israel lobby as anti-Semites. So is Israel lobbyist Omri Ceren.

    The righteous outbursts could not be coming at a worse time. Donald Trump seems to be leaning toward decertifying the Iran deal, and the Israel lobby is hard at work to make that happen. Trump is “clearly listening to the hawks on Iran, not the realists,” says Scott McConnell, in the National Interest, and he sees a financial angle in the policy-making.

    http://mondoweiss.net/2017/09/megadonors-pushing-against/

    It seems I’m not alone in terms of being attacked as an antisemite for merely wishing to shine a spotlight on the machinations of The Lobby; this is the preferred brush with which Zionists and their xian sidekicks wish to tar their opponents.

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  67. @jacques sheete

    It always helps your argument if the other side is denied the opportunity to explain his point of view. If they are demonized and their careers are blocked pour encourager les autres, it helps further.
     
    That pretty much describes what happened to Hitler in the US and one would think the masses would've figured it out by now...

    I remember the case of a local college professor promoted to House historian under Newt Gingrich, only to be fired days later for having taught a course in which she stated that the Nazis had their own point of view and reasons for their actions. She only wanted to explore the whys and hows, and even that was enough to kill a career.

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    She only wanted to explore the whys and hows, and even that was enough to kill a career.
     
    No doubt. It happens both frequently and regularly.
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  68. It seems I’m not alone in terms of being attacked as an antisemite for merely wishing to shine a spotlight on the machinations of The Lobby; this is the preferred brush with which Zionists and their xian sidekicks wish to tar their opponents.

    You aren’t alone.

    From a superb article by Pat Buchanan, 14+ years ago, which is worth a read for the numerous verities it contains and for confirmation that there is little new under the sun.

    Indeed, it is the charge of “anti-Semitism” itself that is toxic. For this venerable slander is designed to nullify public discourse by smearing and intimidating foes and censoring and blacklisting them and any who would publish them. Neocons say we attack them because they are Jewish. We do not. We attack them because their warmongering threatens our country, even as it finds a reliable echo in Ariel Sharon.

    - PATRICK J. BUCHANAN, Whose War? March 24, 2003

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/whose-war/

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  69. @Sherman
    I can assure you Philip Weiss is on some serious meds and is under psychiatric care.

    I've known plenty of self-loathing lefty Jews like him and they are -without exaggeration- all in therapy and on meds.

    They attack their Jewish identity as a scapegoat for their internal demons.

    Weiss isn’t a self-hating Jew. He loves Jewish power as much as anyone, which is obvious to anyone who is familiar with him. He MAY not be a Zionist, but his brand of Jewish supremacist is likely just as toxic to America and non-Jewish Americans, and is likely just as filled with loathing for non-Jews.

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  70. JackOH says:
    @Wizard of Oz
    Given the responsibility of Bush; Cheney and Rumsfeld (to whom you can add in Blair) I wonder whether it is right to describe the Jewish neocons as the (sic) architects. It may be worth recalling too that the push to deal with Iraq sas on for a decafe or mote before it happened.

    ” . . . [T]he architects of that war [Iraq II] have to be called out.” Yep, including the Americans you mentioned. FWIW-I don’t actually know if there was an honorable motive somehow secreted within the reasons for our destroying Iraq. We ought to know about that, too.

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    I offer to your imagination a corps of highly intelligent Greeks in Ancient Rome, proud of The Glory that WAS Greece but conscious that The Grandeur that [then] was Rome was the hope of the future. So, amongst highly intelligent US Jewish neocons whose messianic tendencies had once been much more Trotskyite than Judaic and still believed in a mission (for another comparison think of earnest British Christian or classically educated agnostic gentlemen sent out to govern India) America's supremacy gave great scope for changing the world and a duty to do it.

    To enliven your imagination, and recalling a leader of Australia's Jewish communities telling me long ago that Netanyahu worryingly lacked judgment, try imagining scripts in which a Jewish neocon said (1990s more than now when Israel is a prosperous high tech success and the US is debt ridden and sick) " 'shitty little country'? Well I know why a Frenchman from Paria might respond like that to a three year appountment to Tel Aviv but it's a bit uncouth for a 'diplomat' " or something much more succinct suggested by a Ron Unz dictum "Oh I would just say 'run like a banana republic".
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  71. Svigor says:

    Jacques,
    the word Antisemitism is used for the lack of a better one, a final resort if you will, to understand irrationality when all rational explicators fail. Suggest a suitable alternative and I shall adopt it. Gladly.

    What’s the word for when people criticize gentiles? A final resort, if you will, to understand irrationality when all rational explicators fail?

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  72. Svigor says:

    Still only no more than 50k POWs were taken by Americans, while the brutal and awful Red Army in the last few weeks took 800k of Japanese out of which over 500k survived the Gulags.

    I’d want to dive into the details of that before drawing any conclusions, based solely on the figures you cite. The 800k number sounds like the result of a mass surrender, for example. Lemme guess: it was after Japan had surrendered? No, I didn’t look it up first, but that’s my bet.

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  73. Eugnid says: • Website

    Yes, Zionism was a suppressive force that came down hard, not only on anti-Semites, whatever that is, but labeled everyone an “anti-Semite” or “self-hating Jew” because it could get away with it. It can’t anymore because too many Zionists see no reason to scream insanely anymore, and most Jews, “Frankly my dear I don’t give a damn anymore.” It’s not that American Jewish Millennials have become anti-Semites, it’s that they have become as self-centered as anyone else. And why not? Pushed by their Kosher Tiger Moms, as Asians are by their Tiger Moms, to excel in school, now they have computers that even match them with bedmates, not to speak of where to eat and go on vacation. To be of one mind with the desperate, surrounded Sabras seems like a much too hot shower: IT STINGS! So why bother?
    But as unjust as Israel’s existence may have once been, it is now a nation whose citizens almost all never knew another home. They lived with and against the Palestinians. Now, they have more Sunni allies against the Shia Iranian/Iraqi foes that they could ever hope to have. As a result, the proximity to such glaring IMmorality has made Sabras Amoral. Everyone lives by: “Siri, what will we do today.” Alas, the Israelis of half a century ago made Israel a South Africa where the Jews are like the Afrikaaners and the Arabs are like the blacks. Yet, that’s not as true as a lot of Palestinians got a very great Jewish education and moved to the West to make medical, engineering and/or hightech careers, which they could never do in Israel, given how much BOTH sides hate them as the guys in the middle.
    The last 30 years– despite all the terror and mechanized Afrikaaner-like counterterror– nevertheless prove what I hoped for since I first went to Israel as a young kid: THAT ISRAEL COULD HAVE LED THE ARABS INTO DEMOCRARIC MODERNITY SO THE WHOLE MIDEAST COULD BE FREE OF WESTERN (AND NOW EASTERN) EXPLOITATION. But Jews and Arabs chose instead to kill eachother, and, being more numerous, many depressed Arabs who see no future, chose to kill themselves killing Israelis. Despite all the modernity on both sides, you can see the underlying exsangunating and suffocating webbing networks of corruption destroying BOTH as neither has much of a safety and tolerability margin for the costly excesses bleeding both. The Israeli Lobby did drive me to criticize pro-Zionist thugs as Zionazis. The clamor over comparing the exterminator of Jews with those who survived is a coverup, as most of the Israelis I knew who escaped the Holocaust worried more about the fate of the Palestinians than of the Jews. Recall that when the Lobbt book appeared, AZURE, the rightwing Israeli journal, under the title: “LOSING OUR MINDS,” decried the mass outward migration of young Sabras whom, upon acquiring a degree from Israel’s outstanding universities at public expense, moved for top jobs in the West. Now, not even the Diaspora visits. Even more desperate is the situation of Palestinians, as degree holding Palestinians can no longer find a future abroad. Israel/Palestine is a sinking ship, even through the fall in oil prices rendered anemic the Arab states whose leaders have to steal even more of the dwindling assets of their nations as war and economics thins out the cash cow, oil. This leaves the little guy at the bottom even more desperate. A stupid Shia-Sunni war between Muslim sects that until the US invaded Iraq freely intermarried, is turning the oil oasis back into barren desert. All this absurdity makes Israeli Sabra and Arab youth turn away, especially those fortunate enough to have had a marketable Western education. So now Israel has fallen to the Sectarian crazies, just like the Arab nations, and no one knows what all this bleeding will do to the future. This Middle East cauldron of hate has turned those youths fortunate enough to be outside to look outside for a future, even more so than during the BIG Arab-Israeli wars, and those on the inside to go mad with frustration as they see their elders on the inside as well as on the outside as insane enemies. So, in conclusion, Zionism is dead and Jihad is dead, all that’s left is momentum from past elan that is fading. There is education and amazing innovation capacity, but it is all as stupidly sucked yup into the more stabilized world. China profits most from Israeli and Arab technologists!

    People who rock all day repeating rote the Torah or the Koran are a massive parasitic drain on both sides. Too often they are associated with corrupt forces and massive loss of life. The REAL SABRAS can’t take it, but most are stuck ass they fought bravely in wars but do not have needed skills they can take abroad. Same with many young Arabs. Zionism, therefore, is as dead as PanArabism. What followed them is religious wars. Israsel’s current “never again” negativist Holocsust mentality: WE’LL TAKE THEM WITH US MENTALITY, is very dangerous, given that its thermonuclear capacity is greater than that of all of Europe. Soon the Iranians and Saudis will have nuclear capacity. In such a tight space, Israel’s massive kill superiority is superfluous as in a nuclear exchange they ALL become dust to dust. With leaders who are sure that the alternative to top dog for them is prison at best for the footprints they left behind, all sides of the Middle East have little hope of a better future for the next generation. My youth was spent learning how the Middle East was not only the wellspring of human civilization but also the source of all Western spiritual and scientific thinking. Yet, 60+ years later it is no more a leader than it is a follower into modernity. To conclude: the ISRAELI LOBBY AIN’T NO MORE. American Jews have moved on. The Arab states both to cover up their corruption (as Israel does by so maladroitly desecrating the Holocaust by invoking it as excuse for an exclamation point) are invoking Jihad while their peoples and their lands are laid waste with US and Russian weapons bought at great public expense. Corruption seems to be the pandemic through which God inflicts catastrophe on our species as punishment for our sins, for it so destroys the rich wealth of intellect and moral power in all of us. In the Middle East it is the same SQUARED!

    If secular modernity so failed both sides, now that all this religiosity on both the Israeli and Arab sides has become the rage for both, we can only hope that the admonition of a crucified Rabbi catches their attention: WHAT IS ALL THE WEALTH OF THE WORLD WORTH TO A MAN IF HE DRINKS THE BLOOD OF HIS BROTHER! Perhaps in FAITH, the Jews and ARABS trapped in the Middle East sands on which they were BOTH born, can find a way of uniting around the COMMON MORAL CODE that gave them life. Certainly, there is no Zionist Lobby or Arab Lobby as in the past to give either side any noteworthy advantage anymore. Strength and salvation can only come from within– WITHIN THE SAME SCRIPTURE THAT BINDS THEM BOTH UNDER THE SAME GOD. Lest both sides learn from the imbecilic European religious wars, the desert will reclaim all their trinkets and their lives, together, not apart; s why not struggle to survive TOGETHER, eh? You are both populated by people born of that sand, the outsiders of the past have all dies!

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    To conclude: the ISRAELI LOBBY AIN’T NO MORE. American Jews have moved on.
     
    Somebody better tell this to these 3 mega donors, who are very keen on making a return on their investments:

    Bernard Marcus
    And Marcus is happy to put his money to use in supporting groups that have opposed nuclear diplomacy with Iran. In 2015, his foundation contributed $1 million to the American Israel Education Foundation (AIPAC’s 501c3 wing), $3.5 million to the Foundation for Defense of Democracies (FDD), $75,000 to Israel Emergency Alliance, $250,0000 to The Israel Project, $350,000 to the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs (JINSA), and $250,000 to the Zionist Organization of America (ZOA), all groups which actively opposed the JCPOA.

    Paul Singer
    In 2015, Singer’s foundation made a number of contributions to groups opposed to the Iran deal, including, $2 million to the American Israel Education Foundation, $150,000 to the Israel Emergency Alliance, and $118,982 to JINSA. Singer, according to The Atlantic, was the primary donor to the Foreign Policy Initiative, a small neoconservative think tank with a hawkish foreign policy agenda, before withdrawing his funding last summer.

    A 2011 donor roll from the FDD showed that Singer had contributed at least $3.6 million to the group.

    Sheldon Adelson
    Adelson, like Marcus and Singer, has given generously to groups opposing the JCPOA, contributing at least $1.5 million to the FDD by the end of the group’s 2011 tax year. In 2015, his foundation contributed $400,000 to Christians United for Israel (CUFI), $50,000 to the David Horowitz Freedom Center, $100,000 to the Endowment for Middle East Truth (EMET), $7.45 million to the Israeli American Council, $250,000 to JINSA, $1.47 million to Shmuley Boteach’s The World Jewish Values Network, and $1 million to the ZOA, all groups that have opposed the JCPOA.

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  74. Svigor says:

    The ratio of 100:1 of killed to POW taken was so unprecedented that at some point GI’s were incentivized by the promise of ice cream for a dessert for bringing POWs. In the last several months of the war the ratio was improved from 100:1 to 10:1.

    This is just as consistent, if not moreso, with Japanese refusing to surrender, and choosing instead to die in combat, as it is with the theory of casual and widespread execution of surrendering Japanese. An improving ratio could just reflect deteriorating Japanese morale, or word of Japan’s surrender spreading. Japan kinda had a death cult going there. It is not Americans who have various words for ritual suicide, or who gave Kamikazes their name. Japan is and long has been famous for their culture of honorable death, suicide, etc. America, not so much.

    I also seem to recall reading about Japs having a habit of surrendering, then setting off grenades when GIs came close. That would certainly be consistent with everything else we know about Japanese culture. We also know that Japs were some fairly fanatical fellows, and fought hard. The whole picture (Japanese were fairly dirty fighters, by Western standards; Japs started the war with a dastardly and devastating sneak attack) doesn’t exactly lead me to great sympathy for their woes while surrendering. Put another way, I wouldn’t be surprised if they were killed while surrendering in greater numbers than, say, Germans were.

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  75. nickels says:

    I think the book made the case that congress is unconstitutionally subordinate to a foreign state.
    Add that to a court that illegally legislates from the bench and an executive that drones American citizens without any process….
    Turning the government is really a constitutional duty.

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  76. utu says:

    Anybody could answer what is it about Iran that Israel wants it to be destroyed? Is it possible that there is a strong biblical memory undercurrent there? If so, the Zionists are not really the secular political force as they always presented themselves. Thus Iranians who stand for Persians in Jewish memories can do nothing to avert the Israel’s attack. It is not about them being Muslims and under the rule of ayatollahs. It is just about the past. If so, Germans should watch and learn. No matter how many billions of dollars Germany will send to Israel and no matter how many submarines they will present Israel as Hanukah gifts, Jews will never forget and will never forgive and and always will lust for a revenge of biblical proportions.

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    Why Mohammad Reza Pahlavi secular regime was destroyed? Is it because Iran was too successful in modernization under Shah regime and by maintaining excellent relations with the US (and Israel) seemed virtually immune to anti-Persian actions?

    Deposing of Pahlavi by Muslim fundamentalist might have been the first successful operation of destroying a secular ME country with weaponized Muslim fundamentalism. Iran was the target because it was quite successful and was growing economically and maintained good relations with the West and the US and Israel in particular. So there was no way of stopping its growth and strength. Iran had to be turned into the pariah state first. After Islamic revolution the US cut off the relationship (while Israel still maintained them for a while). Turning Iran into the pariah state was the first successful implementation of yet unpublished Yinon Plan with objective of weakening/destroying all secular states (whether Soviet or American clients) in the ME. We do not know who was involved in organizing Islamic Revolution but certainly some segments of US, French, British and Israel secret agencies. Nobody (in media) then connected Israel to this operation though some speculated (including Pahlavi himself) that the Brits and French were behind it and as always people talked about oil which in most cases (just like Syria now) is a red herring. Iran under ayatollahs did not get entirely destroyed and many institutions of the secular state were maintained, nevertheless, the development of Iran was set back by many years. But Iran got stronger again, so the calls to destroy it keep coming from Israel.
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  77. geokat62 says:
    @Eugnid
    Yes, Zionism was a suppressive force that came down hard, not only on anti-Semites, whatever that is, but labeled everyone an "anti-Semite" or "self-hating Jew" because it could get away with it. It can't anymore because too many Zionists see no reason to scream insanely anymore, and most Jews, "Frankly my dear I don't give a damn anymore." It's not that American Jewish Millennials have become anti-Semites, it's that they have become as self-centered as anyone else. And why not? Pushed by their Kosher Tiger Moms, as Asians are by their Tiger Moms, to excel in school, now they have computers that even match them with bedmates, not to speak of where to eat and go on vacation. To be of one mind with the desperate, surrounded Sabras seems like a much too hot shower: IT STINGS! So why bother?
    But as unjust as Israel's existence may have once been, it is now a nation whose citizens almost all never knew another home. They lived with and against the Palestinians. Now, they have more Sunni allies against the Shia Iranian/Iraqi foes that they could ever hope to have. As a result, the proximity to such glaring IMmorality has made Sabras Amoral. Everyone lives by: "Siri, what will we do today." Alas, the Israelis of half a century ago made Israel a South Africa where the Jews are like the Afrikaaners and the Arabs are like the blacks. Yet, that's not as true as a lot of Palestinians got a very great Jewish education and moved to the West to make medical, engineering and/or hightech careers, which they could never do in Israel, given how much BOTH sides hate them as the guys in the middle.
    The last 30 years-- despite all the terror and mechanized Afrikaaner-like counterterror-- nevertheless prove what I hoped for since I first went to Israel as a young kid: THAT ISRAEL COULD HAVE LED THE ARABS INTO DEMOCRARIC MODERNITY SO THE WHOLE MIDEAST COULD BE FREE OF WESTERN (AND NOW EASTERN) EXPLOITATION. But Jews and Arabs chose instead to kill eachother, and, being more numerous, many depressed Arabs who see no future, chose to kill themselves killing Israelis. Despite all the modernity on both sides, you can see the underlying exsangunating and suffocating webbing networks of corruption destroying BOTH as neither has much of a safety and tolerability margin for the costly excesses bleeding both. The Israeli Lobby did drive me to criticize pro-Zionist thugs as Zionazis. The clamor over comparing the exterminator of Jews with those who survived is a coverup, as most of the Israelis I knew who escaped the Holocaust worried more about the fate of the Palestinians than of the Jews. Recall that when the Lobbt book appeared, AZURE, the rightwing Israeli journal, under the title: "LOSING OUR MINDS," decried the mass outward migration of young Sabras whom, upon acquiring a degree from Israel's outstanding universities at public expense, moved for top jobs in the West. Now, not even the Diaspora visits. Even more desperate is the situation of Palestinians, as degree holding Palestinians can no longer find a future abroad. Israel/Palestine is a sinking ship, even through the fall in oil prices rendered anemic the Arab states whose leaders have to steal even more of the dwindling assets of their nations as war and economics thins out the cash cow, oil. This leaves the little guy at the bottom even more desperate. A stupid Shia-Sunni war between Muslim sects that until the US invaded Iraq freely intermarried, is turning the oil oasis back into barren desert. All this absurdity makes Israeli Sabra and Arab youth turn away, especially those fortunate enough to have had a marketable Western education. So now Israel has fallen to the Sectarian crazies, just like the Arab nations, and no one knows what all this bleeding will do to the future. This Middle East cauldron of hate has turned those youths fortunate enough to be outside to look outside for a future, even more so than during the BIG Arab-Israeli wars, and those on the inside to go mad with frustration as they see their elders on the inside as well as on the outside as insane enemies. So, in conclusion, Zionism is dead and Jihad is dead, all that's left is momentum from past elan that is fading. There is education and amazing innovation capacity, but it is all as stupidly sucked yup into the more stabilized world. China profits most from Israeli and Arab technologists!

    People who rock all day repeating rote the Torah or the Koran are a massive parasitic drain on both sides. Too often they are associated with corrupt forces and massive loss of life. The REAL SABRAS can't take it, but most are stuck ass they fought bravely in wars but do not have needed skills they can take abroad. Same with many young Arabs. Zionism, therefore, is as dead as PanArabism. What followed them is religious wars. Israsel's current "never again" negativist Holocsust mentality: WE'LL TAKE THEM WITH US MENTALITY, is very dangerous, given that its thermonuclear capacity is greater than that of all of Europe. Soon the Iranians and Saudis will have nuclear capacity. In such a tight space, Israel's massive kill superiority is superfluous as in a nuclear exchange they ALL become dust to dust. With leaders who are sure that the alternative to top dog for them is prison at best for the footprints they left behind, all sides of the Middle East have little hope of a better future for the next generation. My youth was spent learning how the Middle East was not only the wellspring of human civilization but also the source of all Western spiritual and scientific thinking. Yet, 60+ years later it is no more a leader than it is a follower into modernity. To conclude: the ISRAELI LOBBY AIN'T NO MORE. American Jews have moved on. The Arab states both to cover up their corruption (as Israel does by so maladroitly desecrating the Holocaust by invoking it as excuse for an exclamation point) are invoking Jihad while their peoples and their lands are laid waste with US and Russian weapons bought at great public expense. Corruption seems to be the pandemic through which God inflicts catastrophe on our species as punishment for our sins, for it so destroys the rich wealth of intellect and moral power in all of us. In the Middle East it is the same SQUARED!

    If secular modernity so failed both sides, now that all this religiosity on both the Israeli and Arab sides has become the rage for both, we can only hope that the admonition of a crucified Rabbi catches their attention: WHAT IS ALL THE WEALTH OF THE WORLD WORTH TO A MAN IF HE DRINKS THE BLOOD OF HIS BROTHER! Perhaps in FAITH, the Jews and ARABS trapped in the Middle East sands on which they were BOTH born, can find a way of uniting around the COMMON MORAL CODE that gave them life. Certainly, there is no Zionist Lobby or Arab Lobby as in the past to give either side any noteworthy advantage anymore. Strength and salvation can only come from within-- WITHIN THE SAME SCRIPTURE THAT BINDS THEM BOTH UNDER THE SAME GOD. Lest both sides learn from the imbecilic European religious wars, the desert will reclaim all their trinkets and their lives, together, not apart; s why not struggle to survive TOGETHER, eh? You are both populated by people born of that sand, the outsiders of the past have all dies!

    To conclude: the ISRAELI LOBBY AIN’T NO MORE. American Jews have moved on.

    Somebody better tell this to these 3 mega donors, who are very keen on making a return on their investments:

    Bernard Marcus
    And Marcus is happy to put his money to use in supporting groups that have opposed nuclear diplomacy with Iran. In 2015, his foundation contributed $1 million to the American Israel Education Foundation (AIPAC’s 501c3 wing), $3.5 million to the Foundation for Defense of Democracies (FDD), $75,000 to Israel Emergency Alliance, $250,0000 to The Israel Project, $350,000 to the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs (JINSA), and $250,000 to the Zionist Organization of America (ZOA), all groups which actively opposed the JCPOA.

    Paul Singer
    In 2015, Singer’s foundation made a number of contributions to groups opposed to the Iran deal, including, $2 million to the American Israel Education Foundation, $150,000 to the Israel Emergency Alliance, and $118,982 to JINSA. Singer, according to The Atlantic, was the primary donor to the Foreign Policy Initiative, a small neoconservative think tank with a hawkish foreign policy agenda, before withdrawing his funding last summer.

    A 2011 donor roll from the FDD showed that Singer had contributed at least $3.6 million to the group.

    Sheldon Adelson
    Adelson, like Marcus and Singer, has given generously to groups opposing the JCPOA, contributing at least $1.5 million to the FDD by the end of the group’s 2011 tax year. In 2015, his foundation contributed $400,000 to Christians United for Israel (CUFI), $50,000 to the David Horowitz Freedom Center, $100,000 to the Endowment for Middle East Truth (EMET), $7.45 million to the Israeli American Council, $250,000 to JINSA, $1.47 million to Shmuley Boteach’s The World Jewish Values Network, and $1 million to the ZOA, all groups that have opposed the JCPOA.

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  78. utu says:
    @utu
    Anybody could answer what is it about Iran that Israel wants it to be destroyed? Is it possible that there is a strong biblical memory undercurrent there? If so, the Zionists are not really the secular political force as they always presented themselves. Thus Iranians who stand for Persians in Jewish memories can do nothing to avert the Israel's attack. It is not about them being Muslims and under the rule of ayatollahs. It is just about the past. If so, Germans should watch and learn. No matter how many billions of dollars Germany will send to Israel and no matter how many submarines they will present Israel as Hanukah gifts, Jews will never forget and will never forgive and and always will lust for a revenge of biblical proportions.

    Why Mohammad Reza Pahlavi secular regime was destroyed? Is it because Iran was too successful in modernization under Shah regime and by maintaining excellent relations with the US (and Israel) seemed virtually immune to anti-Persian actions?

    Deposing of Pahlavi by Muslim fundamentalist might have been the first successful operation of destroying a secular ME country with weaponized Muslim fundamentalism. Iran was the target because it was quite successful and was growing economically and maintained good relations with the West and the US and Israel in particular. So there was no way of stopping its growth and strength. Iran had to be turned into the pariah state first. After Islamic revolution the US cut off the relationship (while Israel still maintained them for a while). Turning Iran into the pariah state was the first successful implementation of yet unpublished Yinon Plan with objective of weakening/destroying all secular states (whether Soviet or American clients) in the ME. We do not know who was involved in organizing Islamic Revolution but certainly some segments of US, French, British and Israel secret agencies. Nobody (in media) then connected Israel to this operation though some speculated (including Pahlavi himself) that the Brits and French were behind it and as always people talked about oil which in most cases (just like Syria now) is a red herring. Iran under ayatollahs did not get entirely destroyed and many institutions of the secular state were maintained, nevertheless, the development of Iran was set back by many years. But Iran got stronger again, so the calls to destroy it keep coming from Israel.

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  79. utu says:
    @Svigor

    The ratio of 100:1 of killed to POW taken was so unprecedented that at some point GI’s were incentivized by the promise of ice cream for a dessert for bringing POWs. In the last several months of the war the ratio was improved from 100:1 to 10:1.
     
    This is just as consistent, if not moreso, with Japanese refusing to surrender, and choosing instead to die in combat, as it is with the theory of casual and widespread execution of surrendering Japanese. An improving ratio could just reflect deteriorating Japanese morale, or word of Japan's surrender spreading. Japan kinda had a death cult going there. It is not Americans who have various words for ritual suicide, or who gave Kamikazes their name. Japan is and long has been famous for their culture of honorable death, suicide, etc. America, not so much.

    I also seem to recall reading about Japs having a habit of surrendering, then setting off grenades when GIs came close. That would certainly be consistent with everything else we know about Japanese culture. We also know that Japs were some fairly fanatical fellows, and fought hard. The whole picture (Japanese were fairly dirty fighters, by Western standards; Japs started the war with a dastardly and devastating sneak attack) doesn't exactly lead me to great sympathy for their woes while surrendering. Put another way, I wouldn't be surprised if they were killed while surrendering in greater numbers than, say, Germans were.

    Yes, we all heard about those awful Japs in the MSM for last 70 years. It is time however to transcend the war time propaganda and begin to think for yourself.

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    { It is time however to transcend the war time propaganda and begin to think for yourself.}

    Yes, indeed: it is way past time for revisionist baboons and apologists for the Imperial Japanese mass murderers to stop drinking the Nippon Kool-Aid and think for their simian selves, instead of regurgitating wartime Fascist Imperial Japanese propaganda.

    Imperial Japan invading and subjugating Korea is no propaganda.
    Imperial Japan invading and subjugating China is no propaganda.
    Mass murders of civilians by invading Nippon terrorists is no propaganda.
    Imperial Japan enslaving 10s of 1,000s of young Asian women (and girls) - 'Comfort Women' (sic) - to be sexually exploited and gang raped by Imperial Japanese beasts is no propaganda.

    Hopefully some day a united Korea will collaborate with China and ..............give the Japanese fascists a taste of their medicine.

    , @Anon
    You have a point. My spanish tennis partner went with a large group from his hometown to Israel back in 82. He remembers this Jewish guide that whipped out a heavy, ornate metal key. And the guide said: "You know what this is? It's the key to my house."

    He meant his house in Spain... pre-expulsion.
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  80. Svigor says:

    Cucksworth:

    Chomsky wrote a piece on it that really confused me. He wanted to rip it, but there was so much cognitive dissonance going on that I could not understand what Noam was trying to say. In 4chan parlance, he was so assblasted and BTFO, that he could only resort to autistic screeching.

    This essay? It’s sloppily-argued and poorly-written scheisse, but it didn’t seem like screeching to me. Blubbering, maybe. :)

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  81. Svigor says:

    Whoops, left out the link:

    https://chomsky.info/20060328/

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  82. Svigor says:

    I don’t think the Japs are awful. I kinda like the Japs. They’re pretty cool, for irredeemable perverts. But they weren’t exactly a nice bunch. We certainly treated Japanese-American internees better than they treated Allied POWs.

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  83. Avery says:
    @utu
    Yes, we all heard about those awful Japs in the MSM for last 70 years. It is time however to transcend the war time propaganda and begin to think for yourself.

    { It is time however to transcend the war time propaganda and begin to think for yourself.}

    Yes, indeed: it is way past time for revisionist baboons and apologists for the Imperial Japanese mass murderers to stop drinking the Nippon Kool-Aid and think for their simian selves, instead of regurgitating wartime Fascist Imperial Japanese propaganda.

    Imperial Japan invading and subjugating Korea is no propaganda.
    Imperial Japan invading and subjugating China is no propaganda.
    Mass murders of civilians by invading Nippon terrorists is no propaganda.
    Imperial Japan enslaving 10s of 1,000s of young Asian women (and girls) - ‘Comfort Women’ (sic) – to be sexually exploited and gang raped by Imperial Japanese beasts is no propaganda.

    Hopefully some day a united Korea will collaborate with China and …………..give the Japanese fascists a taste of their medicine.

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    Hopefully some day a united Korea will collaborate with China and …………..give the Japanese fascists a taste of their medicine.

    What has Japan perpetrated on the world in the last 72 years? They were nuked twice and lost about 3% of their population mainly by carpet bombing, similar to China but less total numbers.
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  84. Anon says: • Disclaimer
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    “It seems I didn’t learn the necessary lesson because when we studied the middle age blood libels, I again wondered out loud how the teacher could know that these accusations of Jews making Matzo out of young Goyim’s blood were indeed empty or groundless.”

    Excellent question. The most favored by Jews explanation of various anti-semitic beliefs is that they are just irrational beliefs bordering on psychiatric level disorders to which goys for reason of being goys who in addition being infected with evil Christianity have particular predilection. Fortunately not all Jews think this way and there were some with courage who decided to take a second look at the blood libel. Ariel Toaff, a professor of Medieval and Renaissance History at Bar Ilan University in Israel:

    Toaff thinks it possible that in certain Ashkenazi groups dried human blood came to play a magical role in calling down God's vengeance on Christians, the historic persecutors of the Jews, and that this reaction may have affected certain forms of ritual practice among a restricted number of Ashkenazi Jews during Passover.
     
    Note the qualifications of wiki editors: "certain," "restricted number" which are not those of Toaff. He throughly studied just one case and got convinced that the ritual took place and thus the perpetrators were justly convicted. He did not study other multiple cases in Europe or Middle East.

    It’s a good question. Obviously human sacrifice was never something looked on remotely positively by rabbinical Judaism, but we know witchcraft and occultism of various sorts were popular among medieval Jewry, which is not something anyone denies, and which may well have gone to extremes occasionally, as in the case Troaff studied.

    On the other hand it’s interesting that the same accusation was made against early Christians presumably as a garbled version of the Eucharist.

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    Jews in general at some point went ballistic about blood libel and made it their Alamo. Not even an inch. Wouldn't it be better to accept some facts and admit some responsibility that there were various cults and sects who engaged in it but it was in the past. And then condemn it and state that they do not want to have anything to do with it. Perhaps then some Jewish involvement in human organ harvesting, smuggling and trafficking would be seen in different context or perhaps such activities would be somewhat curtailed. But in the meantime when some Assyrian Rabbis are busted in New Jersey and New York for running a ring of illegal human organ trafficking this just did not sound too good.
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  85. schrub says:

    A previous weiter actually put Phil Weiss and Gilad Atzmon in the same category as regards the criticism Jewish power. What was this writer thinking?

    Weiss has also has a uncompromising view of Atzmon. He truly dislikes and/or fears him and avoids him like the plague. Weiss will not debate Atzmon, not ever.

    I personally put Weiss in pretty much the same category as left wing idols like Noam Chomsky, Amy Goodman and Naomi Klein: merely “controlled opposition”. After all, when push came to shove, none of these four either voiced support for or lifted a finger in defense of Palestinian activist (and previous “friend” Alison Weir after The Lobby heavily criticised, purged and blacklisted her for daring to mention the truly corrupting influence of Jewish power and money on the Palestinian protest movement leadership. Supposedly “progressive” Jewish led groups like Code Pink also displayed their true colors by joining in the blacklisting and shunning.

    Here is a little trick. How do you discover whether someone is either “controlled opposition” or “real opposition”.

    Easy. Just go to one of their speaking engagements and look at the opposition crowds who always seem to appear outside or inside events opposing Israel or Jewish influence. The faux protestors who appear “controlled opposition” events will usually be just be a bunch of old and doddering senior citizens. They will be somewhat respectful and “generally” polite to the speaker if the get inside. Chomsky gets this type of protest crowds all the time. Protesting is just another social event to these old farts.

    The protest crowds assembled at one of the events of the “real opposition” like Gilad Atzmon will be altogether different in appearance. They will be much younger, with ages averaging in the mid to late twenties or early thirties. They are also much louder, more prone to interrupt and disrupt the gathering both outside and inside. The influence of Antifa movement has now seemingly given them increasing license to use violence as well. They now now only try to physically prevent entry into these events, they will also physically attack both speakers as well as in nocent audience members. If you think this is anything new however, think again, These people, especially those connected to the supposedly dormant Jewish Defense League, have been using remarkably similar violence against unfavored groups like holocaust revisionists for years now that the media, just like at the Antifa events, ignores.

    With a little research you will also find that the younger opposition at these speaking events also have more than a casual relationship with the newly active Jewish Defense League or its european variants. They will most likely also have strong connections to the Antifa movement as well, likely in leadership roles. Their intellectual antecedents lead directly back to the similarly violent, and just as heavily Jewish, Weather Underground of the nineteen sixties and early seventies. Many now claim to be, just like Weather Underground members did in the past, revolutionary communists.

    Things are heating up however. Atzmon seems to be becoming more and more of a threat. During a recent appearance by Atzmon’s jazz band, one of his band members almost lost and eyes after being hit by a projectile thrown by one of the protestors. This violence will probably only increase with the purpose of making the owners of the venues that Atzmon performs and speaks at more and more wary of hosting him there.

    Yes, Atzmon is really the “UNcontrolled opposition”.

    It could get worse however. All these protests bring back memories of how gangster Meyer Lansky once proudly boasted to an Israeli interviewer how he and friends like Bugsy Siegel used to show their distaste towards people opposing US entry in World War Two before Pearl Harbor by throwing them out of upper story windows. (Does the name James Forrestal suddenly come to mind?)

    Gilad Atzmon better keep away from open windows, especially when around now the avid Antifa supporters (and paradoxically, previous pacifists) Amy Goodman and Naomi Klein. Both of these two have now officially abandoned their support for non-violence and their obviously fake support for the First Amendment. Their opinion has now strongly morphed into “The Tribe uber alles’.

    Here is an interesting video that mentions both Chomsky and (fleetingly) Weiss and their their “controlled opposition”

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    Weiss loves Jewish power as much as anyone. He just has trouble publicly squaring the ugly side of Israel with his phoney egalitarianism.
    , @Hieronymosofcardia

    Gilad Atzmon better keep away from open windows, especially when around now the avid Antifa supporters (and paradoxically, previous pacifists) Amy Goodman and Naomi Klein. Both of these two have now officially abandoned their support for non-violence and their obviously fake support for the First Amendment.
     
    Pretty strong assertion there. Haven't been an avid listener of Goodman for a few years now, and since reading The Shock Doctrine, only read the occasional N.Klein article. That they're both labelled long-term as "self-hating Jews" by the IL is no secret. That they also both combat misinformation about antifa voices is also no secret.

    But to tar them both as violent revolution-supporting free-speech haters is paranoic bullcrap. Kindly produce proof or retract your statement.
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  86. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Sam Shama
    Jacques,
    the word Antisemitism is used for the lack of a better one, a final resort if you will, to understand irrationality when all rational explicators fail. Suggest a suitable alternative and I shall adopt it. Gladly.

    I don't wish to re-ignite the discussion surrounding the genesis of WWII, the role of Jews in it etc since I said all I've wanted on that subject unless compelled to. On it, therefore, I'll only remark that if a boycott of exports is sufficient cause to unleash genocide while ignoring all of Hitler's aims plainly elaborated in His Struggle, then I submit I've wronged Adolf.

    Now, as to Atzmon, perhaps I should've been more restrained in my words. But I've resided in the US for more than a decade and her customs are bound to rub off on one. This is the man who wrote of the Blood Libel:

    It seems I didn’t learn the necessary lesson because when we studied the middle age blood libels, I again wondered out loud how the teacher could know that these accusations of Jews making Matzo out of young Goyim’s blood were indeed empty or groundless."

    Sorry, there are limits.

    This is a man deeply troubled by his own identity; which in and of itself is common enough. Yet when he artificially looks at the rear-view mirror and assigns to the plurality of Jews his own demons, that is when I say basta!

    Israel-Palestine is another issue, one I suspect we'll have to revisit after Yom Kippur.

    Meaningful Fast, if you are Jewish, my friends.

    “Once again I was sent home for a week.”

    I’ve never been to parochial school but I wonder if you would be suspended for asking whether the early Christians worshipped an ass, or if Paul made everything up?

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    I understand your point. Worshipping an Ass is scarcely comparable to the Blood Libel. Anyway, I actually think Atzmon is a liar. A teenage child might wonder about it but it is highly implausible they'd spend repeated and prolonged periods of time, questioning his own heritage and his teachers about it. This is the deeply troubled grown man constructing childhood "memories" to suit his present narrative.
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  87. @OilcanFloyd
    I remember the case of a local college professor promoted to House historian under Newt Gingrich, only to be fired days later for having taught a course in which she stated that the Nazis had their own point of view and reasons for their actions. She only wanted to explore the whys and hows, and even that was enough to kill a career.

    She only wanted to explore the whys and hows, and even that was enough to kill a career.

    No doubt. It happens both frequently and regularly.

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  88. Anonym says:
    @Avery
    { It is time however to transcend the war time propaganda and begin to think for yourself.}

    Yes, indeed: it is way past time for revisionist baboons and apologists for the Imperial Japanese mass murderers to stop drinking the Nippon Kool-Aid and think for their simian selves, instead of regurgitating wartime Fascist Imperial Japanese propaganda.

    Imperial Japan invading and subjugating Korea is no propaganda.
    Imperial Japan invading and subjugating China is no propaganda.
    Mass murders of civilians by invading Nippon terrorists is no propaganda.
    Imperial Japan enslaving 10s of 1,000s of young Asian women (and girls) - 'Comfort Women' (sic) - to be sexually exploited and gang raped by Imperial Japanese beasts is no propaganda.

    Hopefully some day a united Korea will collaborate with China and ..............give the Japanese fascists a taste of their medicine.

    Hopefully some day a united Korea will collaborate with China and …………..give the Japanese fascists a taste of their medicine.

    What has Japan perpetrated on the world in the last 72 years? They were nuked twice and lost about 3% of their population mainly by carpet bombing, similar to China but less total numbers.

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    {What has Japan perpetrated...}

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_territories_occupied_by_Imperial_Japan#/media/File:Japanese_Empire2.png


    You can look up the war crimes and atrocities Imperial Japan committed when it _occupied_ those territories. No need for me to list them all here.
    Make sure you look up 'Comfort Women' (sic), for example.
    Also look up The Rape of Nanking.
    Also look up what Unit 731 did.
    Just some examples.
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  89. @JackOH
    " . . . [T]he architects of that war [Iraq II] have to be called out." Yep, including the Americans you mentioned. FWIW-I don't actually know if there was an honorable motive somehow secreted within the reasons for our destroying Iraq. We ought to know about that, too.

    I offer to your imagination a corps of highly intelligent Greeks in Ancient Rome, proud of The Glory that WAS Greece but conscious that The Grandeur that [then] was Rome was the hope of the future. So, amongst highly intelligent US Jewish neocons whose messianic tendencies had once been much more Trotskyite than Judaic and still believed in a mission (for another comparison think of earnest British Christian or classically educated agnostic gentlemen sent out to govern India) America’s supremacy gave great scope for changing the world and a duty to do it.

    To enliven your imagination, and recalling a leader of Australia’s Jewish communities telling me long ago that Netanyahu worryingly lacked judgment, try imagining scripts in which a Jewish neocon said (1990s more than now when Israel is a prosperous high tech success and the US is debt ridden and sick) ” ‘shitty little country’? Well I know why a Frenchman from Paria might respond like that to a three year appountment to Tel Aviv but it’s a bit uncouth for a ‘diplomat’ ” or something much more succinct suggested by a Ron Unz dictum “Oh I would just say ‘run like a banana republic”.

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  90. @schrub
    A previous weiter actually put Phil Weiss and Gilad Atzmon in the same category as regards the criticism Jewish power. What was this writer thinking?

    Weiss has also has a uncompromising view of Atzmon. He truly dislikes and/or fears him and avoids him like the plague. Weiss will not debate Atzmon, not ever.

    I personally put Weiss in pretty much the same category as left wing idols like Noam Chomsky, Amy Goodman and Naomi Klein: merely "controlled opposition". After all, when push came to shove, none of these four either voiced support for or lifted a finger in defense of Palestinian activist (and previous "friend" Alison Weir after The Lobby heavily criticised, purged and blacklisted her for daring to mention the truly corrupting influence of Jewish power and money on the Palestinian protest movement leadership. Supposedly "progressive" Jewish led groups like Code Pink also displayed their true colors by joining in the blacklisting and shunning.

    Here is a little trick. How do you discover whether someone is either "controlled opposition" or "real opposition".

    Easy. Just go to one of their speaking engagements and look at the opposition crowds who always seem to appear outside or inside events opposing Israel or Jewish influence. The faux protestors who appear "controlled opposition" events will usually be just be a bunch of old and doddering senior citizens. They will be somewhat respectful and "generally" polite to the speaker if the get inside. Chomsky gets this type of protest crowds all the time. Protesting is just another social event to these old farts.

    The protest crowds assembled at one of the events of the "real opposition" like Gilad Atzmon will be altogether different in appearance. They will be much younger, with ages averaging in the mid to late twenties or early thirties. They are also much louder, more prone to interrupt and disrupt the gathering both outside and inside. The influence of Antifa movement has now seemingly given them increasing license to use violence as well. They now now only try to physically prevent entry into these events, they will also physically attack both speakers as well as in nocent audience members. If you think this is anything new however, think again, These people, especially those connected to the supposedly dormant Jewish Defense League, have been using remarkably similar violence against unfavored groups like holocaust revisionists for years now that the media, just like at the Antifa events, ignores.

    With a little research you will also find that the younger opposition at these speaking events also have more than a casual relationship with the newly active Jewish Defense League or its european variants. They will most likely also have strong connections to the Antifa movement as well, likely in leadership roles. Their intellectual antecedents lead directly back to the similarly violent, and just as heavily Jewish, Weather Underground of the nineteen sixties and early seventies. Many now claim to be, just like Weather Underground members did in the past, revolutionary communists.

    Things are heating up however. Atzmon seems to be becoming more and more of a threat. During a recent appearance by Atzmon's jazz band, one of his band members almost lost and eyes after being hit by a projectile thrown by one of the protestors. This violence will probably only increase with the purpose of making the owners of the venues that Atzmon performs and speaks at more and more wary of hosting him there.

    Yes, Atzmon is really the "UNcontrolled opposition".

    It could get worse however. All these protests bring back memories of how gangster Meyer Lansky once proudly boasted to an Israeli interviewer how he and friends like Bugsy Siegel used to show their distaste towards people opposing US entry in World War Two before Pearl Harbor by throwing them out of upper story windows. (Does the name James Forrestal suddenly come to mind?)

    Gilad Atzmon better keep away from open windows, especially when around now the avid Antifa supporters (and paradoxically, previous pacifists) Amy Goodman and Naomi Klein. Both of these two have now officially abandoned their support for non-violence and their obviously fake support for the First Amendment. Their opinion has now strongly morphed into "The Tribe uber alles'.

    Here is an interesting video that mentions both Chomsky and (fleetingly) Weiss and their their "controlled opposition"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QrZGfl9nMM

    Weiss loves Jewish power as much as anyone. He just has trouble publicly squaring the ugly side of Israel with his phoney egalitarianism.

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    That's a true take on Weiss.....not a really bad guy but very conflicted between his desire to be 'elite' due to being Jewish and the 'Jewishness ' Israel and Zionist expose......which is not 'admired'.
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  91. Avery says:
    @Anonym
    Hopefully some day a united Korea will collaborate with China and …………..give the Japanese fascists a taste of their medicine.

    What has Japan perpetrated on the world in the last 72 years? They were nuked twice and lost about 3% of their population mainly by carpet bombing, similar to China but less total numbers.

    {What has Japan perpetrated…}

    You can look up the war crimes and atrocities Imperial Japan committed when it _occupied_ those territories. No need for me to list them all here.
    Make sure you look up ‘Comfort Women’ (sic), for example.
    Also look up The Rape of Nanking.
    Also look up what Unit 731 did.
    Just some examples.

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    Since then? I suppose the revenge was only vicarious through the US firebombing of cities, although economically the Chinese have been drinking their milkshake. I know of all of those things you list btw, but it is counterbalanced by the havoc the US unleashed on the mainland islands of Japan IMO.
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  92. @jacques sheete

    AIPAC will not take on the Pentagon.
     
    AIPAC doesn't need to do that. The Pentagon is a playground for Israeli generals and has been for some time. Apparently, despite Nutanyahoo, the Izzie generals are agin' a shooting war on Iran at this time.

    These articles deal with the concept that the Pentagun is Israeli military territory and the idea that we are lied into war and that information is suppressed while propaganda is spoon fed to the masses.


    But there were other enemies within, anyone who dared voice any skepticism about their grand plans…

    - Jim Lobe , How neo-cons influence the Pentagon ...

    http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/EH08Ak01.html
     


    At the time, I didn't realize that the expertise on Middle East policy was not only being removed, but was also being exchanged for that from various agenda-bearing think tanks, including the Middle East Media Research Institute, the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, and the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs.

    http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/EH08Ak01.html


     

    AIPAC doesn’t need to do that. The Pentagon is a playground for Israeli generals and has been for some time. Apparently, despite Nutanyahoo, the Izzie generals are agin’ a shooting war on Iran at this time.

    These articles deal with the concept that the Pentagun is Israeli military territory and the idea that we are lied into war and that information is suppressed while propaganda is spoon fed to the masses.

    Yes, it’s obvious that the true nature of the Israeli military occupation is hidden and/or sugarcoated by IL familiars withi the MSM. Also, that IL influence within various conservative politico-military think tanks is strong re: M.East policy and planning. But you make NO case about meaningful IL influence within the uniformed military and the security services.

    The a-times articles you quote are almost 15 years old. Do you have anything current on IL penetration/influence on the Pentagon? Anything at all? That Iraq2 was a “joint venture” between the Pentagon and IL is extremely clear, imo. The balkanization and devastation of Iraq has been a key Israeli foreign policy since the ’50′s. But even the Bush admin stopped short of invading Iran in ’07. Probably because they were unwilling to endure the heat from Iranian conventional (Silkworm AS missles, etc.) interdiction of the Straits of Hormuz for an indeterminate time (up to a month?). Same dynamics apply today.

    During the IL-manufactured near-war with Iran last year, you may notice that oil spot market prices didn’t inflate to anything close to the severity of ’07. Which means to my mind, that smart money was clear that the Pentagon was NOT on board with an Iran war.

    Was speaking with Peter Dale Scott a few weeks ago, who like any prominent modern scholar is very clear about influence of IL within the Deep State. That Congress and the POTUS are completely on board with the IL is old news. Feith, Rumsfeld, et al were NOT generals/admirals, so using them as examples is true, but irrelevant to IL influence within Pentagon internal culture.

    The Pentagon went to war with Afghanistan & Iraq after 9-11 BECAUSE the Pentagon wanted to do just that. It only happened because of the convergence of their interests and those of the IL and the Cheney Petro-lobby.

    But the degree to which the Pentagon is–or isn’t–on board with another unnecessary Middle East war remains unclear. What IS CLEAR is that by ’16, US strategic deployments were overwhelmingly centred on the containment of China.

    The IL is indeed a very powerful institution in current US affairs–one of the most influential when it comes to Congress/POTUS and the MSM.

    But it’s not all-powerful as some of the more paranoid and possibly anti-semitic posters on this thread seem to want to believe.

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    Interesting but a bit hand wavy (from the point of view of the curious reader) in your fifth par where you say "the Pentagon went to war...BECAUSE the Pentagon wanted to do just that". I can see how the Pentagon could, in an age when America is the one superpower and doesn't have to worry about "defense", theoretically be full of generals, admirals and staff officers who lust for the glories or career advantages of war though that doesn't seem to fit the picture of very senior quasi-statesmen figures historically. In reality the Office of Special Plans seems to have been corrupted by political appointments and the key driver of the move to war. So what do you mean by "the Pentagon" in that quote above?
    , @jacques sheete

    The a-times articles you quote are almost 15 years old. Do you have anything current on IL penetration/influence on the Pentagon? Anything at all?
     
    The point was that it's been going on for a while, so I'm glad you noticed that the info is 15 years old, and I doubt the situation's improved from the taxpaying goyim's point of view since then.

    In other words, Izzie influence and control are givens in my world and I have a whole pot load of other things to keep up on, so haven't felt the need to dwell on any details or particulars.


    But you make NO case about meaningful IL influence within the uniformed military and the security services.
     
    I don't recall intending to, but do beg forgiveness on that!
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  93. Anonym says:
    @Avery
    {What has Japan perpetrated...}

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_territories_occupied_by_Imperial_Japan#/media/File:Japanese_Empire2.png


    You can look up the war crimes and atrocities Imperial Japan committed when it _occupied_ those territories. No need for me to list them all here.
    Make sure you look up 'Comfort Women' (sic), for example.
    Also look up The Rape of Nanking.
    Also look up what Unit 731 did.
    Just some examples.

    Since then? I suppose the revenge was only vicarious through the US firebombing of cities, although economically the Chinese have been drinking their milkshake. I know of all of those things you list btw, but it is counterbalanced by the havoc the US unleashed on the mainland islands of Japan IMO.

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  94. @schrub
    A previous weiter actually put Phil Weiss and Gilad Atzmon in the same category as regards the criticism Jewish power. What was this writer thinking?

    Weiss has also has a uncompromising view of Atzmon. He truly dislikes and/or fears him and avoids him like the plague. Weiss will not debate Atzmon, not ever.

    I personally put Weiss in pretty much the same category as left wing idols like Noam Chomsky, Amy Goodman and Naomi Klein: merely "controlled opposition". After all, when push came to shove, none of these four either voiced support for or lifted a finger in defense of Palestinian activist (and previous "friend" Alison Weir after The Lobby heavily criticised, purged and blacklisted her for daring to mention the truly corrupting influence of Jewish power and money on the Palestinian protest movement leadership. Supposedly "progressive" Jewish led groups like Code Pink also displayed their true colors by joining in the blacklisting and shunning.

    Here is a little trick. How do you discover whether someone is either "controlled opposition" or "real opposition".

    Easy. Just go to one of their speaking engagements and look at the opposition crowds who always seem to appear outside or inside events opposing Israel or Jewish influence. The faux protestors who appear "controlled opposition" events will usually be just be a bunch of old and doddering senior citizens. They will be somewhat respectful and "generally" polite to the speaker if the get inside. Chomsky gets this type of protest crowds all the time. Protesting is just another social event to these old farts.

    The protest crowds assembled at one of the events of the "real opposition" like Gilad Atzmon will be altogether different in appearance. They will be much younger, with ages averaging in the mid to late twenties or early thirties. They are also much louder, more prone to interrupt and disrupt the gathering both outside and inside. The influence of Antifa movement has now seemingly given them increasing license to use violence as well. They now now only try to physically prevent entry into these events, they will also physically attack both speakers as well as in nocent audience members. If you think this is anything new however, think again, These people, especially those connected to the supposedly dormant Jewish Defense League, have been using remarkably similar violence against unfavored groups like holocaust revisionists for years now that the media, just like at the Antifa events, ignores.

    With a little research you will also find that the younger opposition at these speaking events also have more than a casual relationship with the newly active Jewish Defense League or its european variants. They will most likely also have strong connections to the Antifa movement as well, likely in leadership roles. Their intellectual antecedents lead directly back to the similarly violent, and just as heavily Jewish, Weather Underground of the nineteen sixties and early seventies. Many now claim to be, just like Weather Underground members did in the past, revolutionary communists.

    Things are heating up however. Atzmon seems to be becoming more and more of a threat. During a recent appearance by Atzmon's jazz band, one of his band members almost lost and eyes after being hit by a projectile thrown by one of the protestors. This violence will probably only increase with the purpose of making the owners of the venues that Atzmon performs and speaks at more and more wary of hosting him there.

    Yes, Atzmon is really the "UNcontrolled opposition".

    It could get worse however. All these protests bring back memories of how gangster Meyer Lansky once proudly boasted to an Israeli interviewer how he and friends like Bugsy Siegel used to show their distaste towards people opposing US entry in World War Two before Pearl Harbor by throwing them out of upper story windows. (Does the name James Forrestal suddenly come to mind?)

    Gilad Atzmon better keep away from open windows, especially when around now the avid Antifa supporters (and paradoxically, previous pacifists) Amy Goodman and Naomi Klein. Both of these two have now officially abandoned their support for non-violence and their obviously fake support for the First Amendment. Their opinion has now strongly morphed into "The Tribe uber alles'.

    Here is an interesting video that mentions both Chomsky and (fleetingly) Weiss and their their "controlled opposition"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QrZGfl9nMM

    Gilad Atzmon better keep away from open windows, especially when around now the avid Antifa supporters (and paradoxically, previous pacifists) Amy Goodman and Naomi Klein. Both of these two have now officially abandoned their support for non-violence and their obviously fake support for the First Amendment.

    Pretty strong assertion there. Haven’t been an avid listener of Goodman for a few years now, and since reading The Shock Doctrine, only read the occasional N.Klein article. That they’re both labelled long-term as “self-hating Jews” by the IL is no secret. That they also both combat misinformation about antifa voices is also no secret.

    But to tar them both as violent revolution-supporting free-speech haters is paranoic bullcrap. Kindly produce proof or retract your statement.

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  95. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @utu
    Yes, we all heard about those awful Japs in the MSM for last 70 years. It is time however to transcend the war time propaganda and begin to think for yourself.

    You have a point. My spanish tennis partner went with a large group from his hometown to Israel back in 82. He remembers this Jewish guide that whipped out a heavy, ornate metal key. And the guide said: “You know what this is? It’s the key to my house.”

    He meant his house in Spain… pre-expulsion.

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  96. renfro says:
    @OilcanFloyd
    Weiss loves Jewish power as much as anyone. He just has trouble publicly squaring the ugly side of Israel with his phoney egalitarianism.

    That’s a true take on Weiss…..not a really bad guy but very conflicted between his desire to be ‘elite’ due to being Jewish and the ‘Jewishness ‘ Israel and Zionist expose……which is not ‘admired’.

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  97. Miro23 says:
    @Hieronymosofcardia
    They didn’t win on the Iran nuclear deal. Which doesn’t mean that they won’t come back to it. The real die-hards won’t be satisfied until Iran is a devastated, balkanized remnant of its current self. They want for it, what we did to Iraq.

    But NK and its nukes are hogging the headlines. And our EU/NATO allies would NOT be happy if we gifted them another wave of 3,000,000 refugees from a devastated Iran.

    But the clincher I think was that the Pentagon weighed in on the Iran deal, saying in effect, “We’re not (yet) ready for another war of that magnitude.” AIPAC will not take on the Pentagon.

    The Friends of Israel here in the US are by and large an incredibly talented and intelligent group of people. And very savvy, politically. The only labels they fear are “Anti-American,”, “Unpatriotic,” “Disloyal,” etc. By pushing for another very expensive and unpopular war that would only benefit a select group of military contractors and the state of Israel, they were risking just such attribution.

    Now that the $4 trillion and counting disaster that was Iraq has curbed the public appetite for further expeditionary wars in the Middle East, it seems that attention has returned to the strategic theatre where it belongs: The Far East.

    Failing some new 9-11 I don’t think we’ll be wasting any more treasure on a new Middle East war, no matter what the Israel Lobby might want.

    But the clincher I think was that the Pentagon weighed in on the Iran deal, saying in effect, “We’re not (yet) ready for another war of that magnitude.” AIPAC will not take on the Pentagon.

    The Friends of Israel here in the US are by and large an incredibly talented and intelligent group of people. And very savvy, politically. The only labels they fear are “Anti-American,”, “Unpatriotic,” “Disloyal,” etc. By pushing for another very expensive and unpopular war that would only benefit a select group of military contractors and the state of Israel, they were risking just such attribution.

    Now that the $4 trillion and counting disaster that was Iraq has curbed the public appetite for further expeditionary wars in the Middle East, it seems that attention has returned to the strategic theatre where it belongs: The Far East.

    Failing some new 9-11 I don’t think we’ll be wasting any more treasure on a new Middle East war, no matter what the Israel Lobby might want.

    In other words, the US public is exhausted, and has reached its limit with ME wars and Zioglob activism.

    But that still leaves the 9-11 aspect and the strategic theatre.

    9-11 was preceded by a media buildup targeting Iraq, such that the “event” quickly triggered action, and now, there’s a similar (equally fake) media buildup targeting Russia, which is suspicious.

    Also, an “event” involving Russia would dispense with another long drawn out and expensive war, with a real chance of engaging the US nuclear arsenal – the one aspect of US power that the Zioglob haven’t yet got their hands on.

    It’s almost unbelievable that they would use a False Flag to trigger a first strike against Russia (and btw Iran) but the extreme evil and treachery behind 9-11 proves that Gentile lives are dispensable anywhere and on any scale.

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  98. @Hieronymosofcardia

    AIPAC doesn’t need to do that. The Pentagon is a playground for Israeli generals and has been for some time. Apparently, despite Nutanyahoo, the Izzie generals are agin’ a shooting war on Iran at this time.

    These articles deal with the concept that the Pentagun is Israeli military territory and the idea that we are lied into war and that information is suppressed while propaganda is spoon fed to the masses.
     
    Yes, it's obvious that the true nature of the Israeli military occupation is hidden and/or sugarcoated by IL familiars withi the MSM. Also, that IL influence within various conservative politico-military think tanks is strong re: M.East policy and planning. But you make NO case about meaningful IL influence within the uniformed military and the security services.

    The a-times articles you quote are almost 15 years old. Do you have anything current on IL penetration/influence on the Pentagon? Anything at all? That Iraq2 was a "joint venture" between the Pentagon and IL is extremely clear, imo. The balkanization and devastation of Iraq has been a key Israeli foreign policy since the '50's. But even the Bush admin stopped short of invading Iran in '07. Probably because they were unwilling to endure the heat from Iranian conventional (Silkworm AS missles, etc.) interdiction of the Straits of Hormuz for an indeterminate time (up to a month?). Same dynamics apply today.

    During the IL-manufactured near-war with Iran last year, you may notice that oil spot market prices didn't inflate to anything close to the severity of '07. Which means to my mind, that smart money was clear that the Pentagon was NOT on board with an Iran war.

    Was speaking with Peter Dale Scott a few weeks ago, who like any prominent modern scholar is very clear about influence of IL within the Deep State. That Congress and the POTUS are completely on board with the IL is old news. Feith, Rumsfeld, et al were NOT generals/admirals, so using them as examples is true, but irrelevant to IL influence within Pentagon internal culture.

    The Pentagon went to war with Afghanistan & Iraq after 9-11 BECAUSE the Pentagon wanted to do just that. It only happened because of the convergence of their interests and those of the IL and the Cheney Petro-lobby.

    But the degree to which the Pentagon is--or isn't--on board with another unnecessary Middle East war remains unclear. What IS CLEAR is that by '16, US strategic deployments were overwhelmingly centred on the containment of China.

    The IL is indeed a very powerful institution in current US affairs--one of the most influential when it comes to Congress/POTUS and the MSM.

    But it's not all-powerful as some of the more paranoid and possibly anti-semitic posters on this thread seem to want to believe.

    Interesting but a bit hand wavy (from the point of view of the curious reader) in your fifth par where you say “the Pentagon went to war…BECAUSE the Pentagon wanted to do just that”. I can see how the Pentagon could, in an age when America is the one superpower and doesn’t have to worry about “defense”, theoretically be full of generals, admirals and staff officers who lust for the glories or career advantages of war though that doesn’t seem to fit the picture of very senior quasi-statesmen figures historically. In reality the Office of Special Plans seems to have been corrupted by political appointments and the key driver of the move to war. So what do you mean by “the Pentagon” in that quote above?

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  99. utu says:
    @Anon
    It's a good question. Obviously human sacrifice was never something looked on remotely positively by rabbinical Judaism, but we know witchcraft and occultism of various sorts were popular among medieval Jewry, which is not something anyone denies, and which may well have gone to extremes occasionally, as in the case Troaff studied.

    On the other hand it's interesting that the same accusation was made against early Christians presumably as a garbled version of the Eucharist.

    Jews in general at some point went ballistic about blood libel and made it their Alamo. Not even an inch. Wouldn’t it be better to accept some facts and admit some responsibility that there were various cults and sects who engaged in it but it was in the past. And then condemn it and state that they do not want to have anything to do with it. Perhaps then some Jewish involvement in human organ harvesting, smuggling and trafficking would be seen in different context or perhaps such activities would be somewhat curtailed. But in the meantime when some Assyrian Rabbis are busted in New Jersey and New York for running a ring of illegal human organ trafficking this just did not sound too good.

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  100. @Sam Shama
    How right you are utu, when you write: "The Jews are us ...."

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/29/opinion/sunday/we-are-all-jewish.html

    Empire Idiots BY LINH DINH.

    http://www.unz.com/ldinh/empire-idiots/

    Remember when you still believed in innocent until proven guilty, with each accused entitled to his day in court, and not shot on sight, with his purported crime broadcast immediately? Remember when you still had the faculty to detect an enormous, world-class mound of bullshit?

    Swallowing nonsense nonstop, you become another empire idiot, for believing in cartoon narratives, you become a caricature yourself, with exaggerated, buffoonish emotions, unseemly in a civilized man, which you no longer are.

    A moronic cartoon, you’re conned by empty sound bites from two dimensional “leaders,” Clinton, Bush, Obama, Trump. Betrayed every four years, you can’t wait for the next joke election.

    How stupid must you be to not see that the American Israel Empire has rigged every aspect of your reality?

    By now, only a cretin can fail to see that the American Israel Empire is working nonstop to deform the Middle East, North Africa, Europe and, frankly, the rest of the world. Until it implodes, we can neither see straight nor even be ourselves.

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  101. @Hieronymosofcardia

    AIPAC doesn’t need to do that. The Pentagon is a playground for Israeli generals and has been for some time. Apparently, despite Nutanyahoo, the Izzie generals are agin’ a shooting war on Iran at this time.

    These articles deal with the concept that the Pentagun is Israeli military territory and the idea that we are lied into war and that information is suppressed while propaganda is spoon fed to the masses.
     
    Yes, it's obvious that the true nature of the Israeli military occupation is hidden and/or sugarcoated by IL familiars withi the MSM. Also, that IL influence within various conservative politico-military think tanks is strong re: M.East policy and planning. But you make NO case about meaningful IL influence within the uniformed military and the security services.

    The a-times articles you quote are almost 15 years old. Do you have anything current on IL penetration/influence on the Pentagon? Anything at all? That Iraq2 was a "joint venture" between the Pentagon and IL is extremely clear, imo. The balkanization and devastation of Iraq has been a key Israeli foreign policy since the '50's. But even the Bush admin stopped short of invading Iran in '07. Probably because they were unwilling to endure the heat from Iranian conventional (Silkworm AS missles, etc.) interdiction of the Straits of Hormuz for an indeterminate time (up to a month?). Same dynamics apply today.

    During the IL-manufactured near-war with Iran last year, you may notice that oil spot market prices didn't inflate to anything close to the severity of '07. Which means to my mind, that smart money was clear that the Pentagon was NOT on board with an Iran war.

    Was speaking with Peter Dale Scott a few weeks ago, who like any prominent modern scholar is very clear about influence of IL within the Deep State. That Congress and the POTUS are completely on board with the IL is old news. Feith, Rumsfeld, et al were NOT generals/admirals, so using them as examples is true, but irrelevant to IL influence within Pentagon internal culture.

    The Pentagon went to war with Afghanistan & Iraq after 9-11 BECAUSE the Pentagon wanted to do just that. It only happened because of the convergence of their interests and those of the IL and the Cheney Petro-lobby.

    But the degree to which the Pentagon is--or isn't--on board with another unnecessary Middle East war remains unclear. What IS CLEAR is that by '16, US strategic deployments were overwhelmingly centred on the containment of China.

    The IL is indeed a very powerful institution in current US affairs--one of the most influential when it comes to Congress/POTUS and the MSM.

    But it's not all-powerful as some of the more paranoid and possibly anti-semitic posters on this thread seem to want to believe.

    The a-times articles you quote are almost 15 years old. Do you have anything current on IL penetration/influence on the Pentagon? Anything at all?

    The point was that it’s been going on for a while, so I’m glad you noticed that the info is 15 years old, and I doubt the situation’s improved from the taxpaying goyim’s point of view since then.

    In other words, Izzie influence and control are givens in my world and I have a whole pot load of other things to keep up on, so haven’t felt the need to dwell on any details or particulars.

    But you make NO case about meaningful IL influence within the uniformed military and the security services.

    I don’t recall intending to, but do beg forgiveness on that!

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  102. Sam Shama says:
    @Anon
    "Once again I was sent home for a week."

    I've never been to parochial school but I wonder if you would be suspended for asking whether the early Christians worshipped an ass, or if Paul made everything up?

    I understand your point. Worshipping an Ass is scarcely comparable to the Blood Libel. Anyway, I actually think Atzmon is a liar. A teenage child might wonder about it but it is highly implausible they’d spend repeated and prolonged periods of time, questioning his own heritage and his teachers about it. This is the deeply troubled grown man constructing childhood “memories” to suit his present narrative.

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    Oh, Christians have been accused of things just as bad, including the blood libel itself as mentioned upthread. And some things that have just been weird: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Monk .

    I'll reserve judgment on Atzmon because I know nothing about him; I tend to agree with your suspicion that if it had just been mild curiosity it would not have gotten him suspended, but again I reserve judgment, knowing nothing about the institution in question. It reminds me a little, actually of Roth's "The Conversion of the Jews".
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    @Sam Shama
    I understand your point. Worshipping an Ass is scarcely comparable to the Blood Libel. Anyway, I actually think Atzmon is a liar. A teenage child might wonder about it but it is highly implausible they'd spend repeated and prolonged periods of time, questioning his own heritage and his teachers about it. This is the deeply troubled grown man constructing childhood "memories" to suit his present narrative.

    Oh, Christians have been accused of things just as bad, including the blood libel itself as mentioned upthread. And some things that have just been weird: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Monk .

    I’ll reserve judgment on Atzmon because I know nothing about him; I tend to agree with your suspicion that if it had just been mild curiosity it would not have gotten him suspended, but again I reserve judgment, knowing nothing about the institution in question. It reminds me a little, actually of Roth’s “The Conversion of the Jews”.

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  104. @jacques sheete

    Lefty loons like Weiss are so far beyond the pale in their attacks, that all these questions and qualifications are irrelevant. Look at Atzmon.
     
    Sam, what's up with all that?

    I think Weiss and Atzmon have been, and are, on the right track. I read 'em all the time.

    Also, WTF is an anti-Semite in your world anyway? In my world it's a really dumb label and a mindless, vicious smear as it's usually used. I thought Jews prided themselves on thinking out of the box, which is what Weiss, Atzmon, and others, such as Walt and Mearsheimer do. Even dumb goyim like me do it. You should try it sometime.

    What did Hitler do to the Jews beyond trying to work with Zionists and to encourage migration to Palestine? I would've thought you'd have agreed with the idea. At least you admit that some Jews initiated a boycott and worse against an already victimized and fairly prostrate Germany during the worldwide Great Depression.

    You guys are gonna hafta come up with some smears that are a little more original (and accurate) since the term, "anti-Semite" is fast losing its sting and is rather becoming a mark of distinction and pride when people use it as you seem to.

    Name calling is called Projection. Narcissism tactics. Smear campaigns are also narcissism tactics. Their game is old, outdated, and unable to fool people anymore. when these Jewish (or whatever they are) zionists call people anti-Semitic they are really calling themselves this name. they ARE the anti Semitic ones. they seem to think they have a patent on misery. the misery THEY CREATED as they made themselves victims in order to achieve their agenda. I would surely like to know where the Semetic Jews are because it appears they have had their identity stolen. Which is sad.

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    [...whatever they are) zionists call people anti-Semitic they are really calling themselves this name.]
     
    The natives of Palestine, and mideast are mostly Semites. It is in the interest in a non Semitic tribe from Eastern Europe to paint themselves as Semites, which they mostly are not, to conflate the identity of the rightful inhabitants of Palestine, (including Sephard Jews) so that they, (European Carpentbaggers) can fit in more comfortably and pretend ownership, if enough buy into the fairytale of ''lost tribes'' and all that stuff.
    Americans from Europe took over from the ''indians "(natives), so it isn't the first time, and they had a lot of religeous BS about White Man's burdens and superiority too.
    Totally narcissistic crap. Americans should have learned to call everybody ''antieuropeans". THat would be crying wolf too much Guiddo!
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  105. edNels says:
    @Lightworker
    Name calling is called Projection. Narcissism tactics. Smear campaigns are also narcissism tactics. Their game is old, outdated, and unable to fool people anymore. when these Jewish (or whatever they are) zionists call people anti-Semitic they are really calling themselves this name. they ARE the anti Semitic ones. they seem to think they have a patent on misery. the misery THEY CREATED as they made themselves victims in order to achieve their agenda. I would surely like to know where the Semetic Jews are because it appears they have had their identity stolen. Which is sad.

    [...whatever they are) zionists call people anti-Semitic they are really calling themselves this name.]

    The natives of Palestine, and mideast are mostly Semites. It is in the interest in a non Semitic tribe from Eastern Europe to paint themselves as Semites, which they mostly are not, to conflate the identity of the rightful inhabitants of Palestine, (including Sephard Jews) so that they, (European Carpentbaggers) can fit in more comfortably and pretend ownership, if enough buy into the fairytale of ”lost tribes” and all that stuff.
    Americans from Europe took over from the ”indians “(natives), so it isn’t the first time, and they had a lot of religeous BS about White Man’s burdens and superiority too.
    Totally narcissistic crap. Americans should have learned to call everybody ”antieuropeans”. THat would be crying wolf too much Guiddo!

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  106. Bahmi says:
    @JackOH
    Excellent comment, Randal. I read Giraldi's piece, after having read a few disparaging comments about it. I thought it was clear and obvious to me that Giraldi was talking about a few hundred Jews in policy-making positions, media, think tanks, and so on, who are driving American policy in the Mideast in ways that may be unfavorable to America's national interests.

    BTW-I saw Valerie Plame speak maybe two years ago and talked to her for a moment at a book-signing. She was an impressive and sensible speaker, and I doubt she has a trace of anti-Jewish animus in her.

    I'm okay with the state of Israel, and don't think that much about it. But, if it's true that the disastrous, multi-trillion dollar Iraq II was driven by Jewish and Israeli interests against clearly preferable American interests, then, at the very least, the architects of that war have to be called out. I don't know how you do that without risking career and reputation.

    Just read recently that Valerie Plame is Jewish…..she admits it.

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  107. joell says:

    @Mark Green: ” Mearsheimer and Walt’s focus was narrow. They sidestepped examining the full reach of the Jewish Lobby in Western civilization. Thus, they had nothing to say about Jewish financial influence or Jewish control of Big media and all of Hollywood. This oversight was no accident”

    I would add academia and the judiciary to this list as well.

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  108. @Cucksworth
    I was a hardcore Chomskyite devouring every single word he wrote until The Israel Lobby was published.

    Chomsky wrote a piece on it that really confused me. He wanted to rip it, but there was so much cognitive dissonance going on that I could not understand what Noam was trying to say. In 4chan parlance, he was so assblasted and BTFO, that he could only resort to autistic screeching.

    I didn't read Walt and Mearsheimer back when it came out, but Chomsky's response to it was so weird and off-putting that I stopped reading him and started looking for other writers to follow. Those two gentlemen broke Noam Chomsky.

    No those two didnt break anybody. Both Chomsky and Walt and Mearsheimer are controlled opposition and I’m surprised that many otherwise observant commenters dont get that. If they were genuine the critique could be much more biting. But the whole arrangement with a clearly visible component seemingly external to the US and controlling it is misdirection.
    The British created it in the 1840s for the purpose of controlling the US and it spawned into ADL and AIPAC etc. Since Britain created the angloamerican establishment intended to populate all inhabitable parts of the world with anglosaxons they had an even more effective tool. And since then the centre of mass has probably settled inside the US. But in addition they had also inserted John Nelson Darby’s variant of Christian Zionism to control the Christians. It predicts an apocalypse involving Israel and that the jews will convert after fighting it. and therefore the affected fundamentalists are sort of expecting WW3 believing it is predicted in the Bible.
    All these control mechanisms are at work but in what way is Israel acting against the AA oligarchy? That question needs to be asked since the critique of the jewish lobby etc implies that the AA oligarchy really would prefer not to have an aggressive Israel. And really would have development of the ME instead of perpetual wars.
    Where is the evidence for that?
    Perhaps W&Ms lame critique of Israel gives a hint of a slight divergence of the US/UK/Israel brothers in crime. I am just guessing but I am sure nothing honest ever emerges from the establishment to which they undoubtedly belong even if some degree of repression is feigned in order to make it more convincing to the guillible. Therefore I assume the US critique of Israel is not about their warrying manners, but rather about them deviating from the pure proxy-role. What deviation might that be? Too friendly with some of US’ rivals?
    Something connected with Britain being too friendly with those rivals?

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  109. @The Alarmist
    Pork Chop Hill.

    Well played!

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  110. Ky says:
    @ThereisaGod
    Dershowitz wrote on Fox News website:
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    "The retweeted article by Phillip Giraldi itself contains the usual anti-Semitic tropes: Jews are guilty of dual loyalty; they control politicians, the media and entertainment; they want the U.S. to fight wars for the country to which they have real allegiance – Israel; they are dangerous to America. Giraldi has been pushing this garbage for years and Plame is one of his fans."

    Hard not to be an anti-Semitic troll in these circumstances because the truth about the Israel Lobby IS anti-Semitic (to use the chosen gibberish terminology of those who use this term as a weapon)..

    Dershowitz is a Zionist. To be critical of Israel and the occupation is NOT ANTISEMITIC. Ironically ZIONISM is RACISM.
    Most people do not understand this very important point, so when they criticize Israel and an Ashkenazi EUROPEAN JEW like Dershowitz, people like him immediately accuse them of anti-Semitism in an effort to shut them down
    Torah reading Jews don’t agree with the Talmud reading Jews, the Zionists the CHABBAD. The Ashkenazi are NOMADS. They have no right to anything. What they are doing to the PALESTINIANS is the very thing that happened to them in the Holocaust. Israel has only been in existence since 1948, when the Ashkenazi STOLE the land from it’s rightful owner and for which the Ashkenazi are committing GENOCIDE.

    Let them go home to EUROPE.

    ZIONISM owns Congress NOT Judaism

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