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Here we go again! Years after most Americans forgot about the longest war this country ever fought, American soldiers are again being deployed to Afghanistan. For almost 16 years now, at the command of three presidents and a sadly forgettable succession of generals, they have gone round and round like so many motorists trapped on a rotary with no exit. This time their numbers are officially secret, although variously reported to be 3,500 or 4,000, with another 6,000-plus to follow, and unknown numbers after that. But who can trust such figures? After all, we just found out that the U.S. troops left behind in Afghanistan after President Obama tried to end the war there in 2014, repeatedly reported to number 8,400, actually have been “closer to 12,000” all this time.

The conflict, we’re told, is at present a “stalemate.” We need more American troops to break it, in part by “training” the Afghan National Army so its soldiers can best their Taliban countrymen plus miscellaneous “terrorist” groups. In that way, the U.S. military — after only a few more years of “the foreseeable future” in the field — can claim victory.

But is any of this necessary? Or smart? Or even true?

A prominent Afghan diplomat doesn’t think so. Shukria Barakzai, a longtime member of the Afghan parliament now serving as Afghanistan’s ambassador to Norway — herself a victim in 2014 of a Taliban suicide bomber — told me only weeks ago, “The Taliban are so over! They just want to go home, but you Americans won’t let them.”

She reminded me that the Taliban are not some invading army. (That would be us.) They are Afghan citizens, distinguished from their countrymen chiefly by their extreme religious conservatism, misogyny, and punitive approach to governance. Think of them as the Afghan equivalent of our own evangelical right-wing Republicans. You find some in almost every town. And the more you rile them up, the meaner they get and the more followers they gain. But in times of peace — which Afghanistan has not known for 40 years — many Taliban most likely would return to being farmers, shopkeepers, villagers, like their fathers before them, perhaps imposing local law and order but unlikely to seek control of Kabul and risk bringing the Americans down on them again.

Few Afghans were Taliban sympathizers when the U.S. overthrew the Taliban regime in 2001. Now there are a great many more and they control significant parts of the country, threatening various provincial capitals. They claim to be willing to negotiate with the Afghan government — but only after all American forces have left the country.

For the Trump administration, that’s not an option. (Think what a negotiated peace would mean for our private arms manufacturers for whom America’s endless wars across the Greater Middle East are a bonanza of guaranteed sales.) Instead, the president has put “his” generals in the Oval Office to do what generals do. Those in charge now — James Mattis, H.R. McMaster, and John Kelly — are all veterans of the Afghan or Iraq wars and consequently subject to what Freud labeled the “repetition compulsion”: “the blind impulse to repeat earlier experiences and situations,” often in the expectation that things will turn out differently. You’d think these particular generals, having been through it all before, would remember that very little or nothing ventured in Afghanistan (or Iraq) by “the greatest military the world has ever known” has worked out as advertised. As Freud pointed out, however, “The compulsion to repeat… replaces the impulsion to remember.”

But I was in Afghanistan too and, strangely enough, I remember a lot.

“Where Is the Money You Promised Us?”

I first went to Kabul in 2002 to work with women and girls just emerging from five long years of confinement in their homes. I found a shambles, a city in ruins. Whole districts had been reduced to rubble by civil war among factions of the mujahidin, the Afghan fundamentalists who, with U.S., Saudi, and Pakistani support, had driven the Red Army out of their country in 1989, only to be overwhelmed by the onslaught of the Taliban in the 1990s. By 2001, when Americans made plans to bomb Kabul to unseat that Taliban regime, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld complained that there were “no good targets left to bomb.” When we finished bombing anyway, thousands of Kabulis had been killed, thousands had fled, and thousands more remained, living in makeshift shelters among toppled houses or in the blue U.N. tents that came to encircle much of the fallen city.

I lodged with an aging American woman who had lived in Afghanistan since the 1960s when her husband, a businessman, took part in America’s Cold War competition with the Soviet Union for the allegiance of Afghans. The first morning, when I awoke chilled to the bone, she thrust some filthy paper bills into my hand, wrapped a woolen scarf around my head, and sent me out into the snow in search of bread. I turned a corner into a field of tumbled walls and there, on what had once been another corner, heat poured from an ancient brick bake-oven. I joined a line of men and waited my turn until long, flat loaves, hot from that oven, were thrust into my arms. Those hard-eyed Afghan men watched as I handed over my shabby bills and wrapped the loaves in the tail of my scarf. Who was I? What was I doing here? By week’s end, they would nod a greeting and make a space in the queue for me.

The Afghans I met were like that then: wary and guarded but curiously open and expectant. The Taliban was finished. Done. Gone. Some of its members, in plain sight, had joined the new American-installed government, but at least they had changed the color of their turbans and, for the time being, their tune. Poor and suffering as most Afghans were, they were prepared to jump at a new beginning, and they were open to anyone who seemed to have come to help.

As the American presence increased, Afghan optimism only expanded. Local leaders attended “informational” meetings called by American officials and never even complained about the aggressive military dogs — unclean by Islamic standards — that searched the premises and sometimes sniffed the Afghan men themselves. They listened to American plans to establish in their country the very best political system imaginable: democracy. There was talk of respect for human rights; there were promises of investment, prosperity, peace, and above all “development.”

Near the end of the second year of such meetings, an Afghan rose — I was there — to ask two embarrassing questions: “Where is the money you promised us? Where is the development?” The American ambassador had a ready answer. The promised funds were being used at first to establish American offices (with heating, air conditioning, the Internet, the works) and to pay American experts who would eventually provide the promised development and, in the process, inculcate respect for human rights, and oh, yes, women.

Let us not forget women. In 2005, First Lady Laura Bush flew into the capital (briefly) to dedicate a refurbished American dormitory for women at Kabul University. After all, the Bush administration had “liberated” Afghan women. Military security again sent in the dogs, leaving tearful students to burn their defiled clothing afterward.

By 2011, however, the State Department had dropped women’s rights from its set of designated objectives for the country and somehow human rights disappeared without notice, too. Still, a succession of American ambassadors advised Afghan leaders to be patient. And so they were for what seems, in retrospect, like a very long time. Until, eventually, they were not.

The Experts Speak

Between then and 2015, I returned to Afghanistan almost every year to lend a hand to organizations of Afghan women and girls. I haven’t been back in two years, though — not since I recognized that, as an American, I am now a hazard to my Afghan colleagues and their families.

The accretion of witless insults, like those dogs, or the pork ribs in the MREs (Meals Ready to Eat) that the U.S. military hands out to Afghan soldiers, or endless fatal U.S. airstrikes (mistakes!) on villages, hospitals, wedding parties, and Afghan National Security Forces have all added up over the years, making Americans unwelcome and their Afghan friends targets.

You undoubtedly noticed some of the headlines at the time, but the Afghanistan story has proven so long, complicated, and repetitive that, at this point, it’s hard to recall the details or, for that matter, the cast of characters, or even why in the world we’re still there doing the same things again and again and again.

The short version of that long history might read like this: the U.S. bombed Afghanistan in 2001 without giving the Taliban government either time to surrender or to negotiate the surrender of their country’s most problematic foreign guest, the Saudi Osama bin Laden. The Bush administration then restored to power the ultra-conservative Islamic mujahidin warlords first engaged by the CIA under William “Bill” Casey, its devout Catholic director, to fight the “godless communists” of the Soviet Union in the long proxy war of the 1980s. Afghans polled in 2001 wanted those warlords — war criminals all — banned forever from public life. Washington, however, established in Kabul a government of sorts, threw vast sums of cash at its selected leaders heading an administrative state that did not yet exist and then, for years to come, alternately ignored or denounced the resulting corruption it had unthinkingly built into its new Afghan “democracy.” Such was the “liberation” of the country.

The story of the last 15 years there is largely a sum of just such contradictory and self-defeating acts. During that time, American officials regularly humiliated Hamid Karzai, their handpicked president. They set up a centralized government in Kabul and then, through Provincial Reconstruction Teams, controlled by the U.S. military, they also supported a passel of provincial warlords hostile to that government. They sent their military to invade Iraq, while the Taliban who were never allowed to surrender (as Anand Gopal recounts in his riveting book No Good Men Among the Living) regrouped and went back to war. In 2007, they undermined Afghan efforts to negotiate peace with the Taliban, opting instead to “surge” more American troops into the country, doubling their numbers in 2008, and then to continue to spend a fortune in taxpayer dollars (at least $65 billion of them) training hundreds of thousands of Afghan soldiers and police to do the fighting their elected government had wanted to stop.

In 2006 — ancient history now — I published a book, Kabul in Winter, partly about the scams I’d seen perpetrated by or on the U.S. military, the select crew of private American contractors flooding the country, and the cloistered experts of the U.S. Agency for International Development. Not long after, a prominent filmmaker invited an Afghan woman who was a physician and a member of that country’s parliament, plus Anand Gopal and me, to travel to Washington. We were to explain our experiences in Afghanistan to influential members of various Washington think tanks who might have an effect on foreign policymaking.

We came prepared to talk, but those Washington experts asked us no questions. Instead, they spent our time together telling us what to think about the country we had just left. I remember, in particular, four young Americans, all newly minted Ivy League “experts” we met at a leading “progressive” think tank. They described in great detail their 20-year plan for the economic and political development of Afghanistan, a country, they said, they all hoped to visit one day. The Afghan doctor finally laughed out loud, but she was not amused. “You know nothing about my country,” she said, “but you plan its future into the next generation. This is your job?” It proved to be the job as well of two administrations (and now, it seems, a third).

Time to Kill Terrorists

The election of 2014, though riddled with “irregularities,” brought the first peaceful transfer of presidential power in Afghanistan, from Hamid Karzai to Ashraf Ghani. With it came renewed hope that the wild dream of an Afghan-style peaceful democracy might work after all. It was a longing barely diminished by Ghani’s choice for vice president: Abdul Rashid Dostum, an Uzbek warlord notorious for war crimes of surpassing brutality.

2014 was also the year President Obama chose to end the war in Afghanistan once and for all. Only he didn’t. Instead he left behind those under-counted thousands of American soldiers now being joined by thousands more. For what purpose?

American victory certainly hasn’t materialized, but the greatest military the world has ever known (as it’s regularly referred to here) cannot admit defeat. Nor can the failed state of Afghanistan acknowledge that it has failed to become anything other than a failure. Afghan-American Ashraf Ghani, who once co-wrote a scholarly book tellingly entitled Fixing Failed States, surrendered his U.S. citizenship to become Afghan president, but he seems unable to fix the country of his birth.

In May 2017, Ghani welcomed back to Kabul and into public life, after an absence of 20 years, the notorious Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, founder of the party Hezb-i-Islami and most favored among the mujahidin during the 1980s by Pakistan’s intelligence agency, the ISI, and the CIA, and most hated by Kabuli civilians for having randomly shelled the city throughout the civil war of the 1990s. In Kabul in 2002, I found it rare to meet a person who had not lost a house or a relative or a whole family to the rockets of “the Butcher of Kabul.” Now, here he is again, his war crimes forgiven by a new “Americanized” president, and an Afghan culture of impunity reconfirmed.

Meanwhile, halfway around the world, Donald J. Trump forgot his denunciation of “Obama’s war,” adopted the “expertise” of his generals, and reignited a fading fire. This time around, he swore, “We are not nation-building again. We are killing terrorists.”

The American effort is now to be exclusively military. There will be no limits on troop numbers or time spent there, nor any disclosure of plans to the enemy or the American public. There is to be no more talk of democracy or women’s rights or human rights or peace negotiations.

Announcing his new militarized “strategy” in a long, vague, typically self-congratulatory speech, Trump lacked even the courtesy to mention the elected leader of Afghanistan by name. Instead, he referred only to assurances given to him by Afghanistan’s “prime minister” — an official who, as it happens, does not exist in the government Washington set up in Kabul so long ago. Trump often makes such gaffes, but he read this particular speech from a teleprompter and so it was surely written or at least vetted by the very military which now is to dictate the future of Afghanistan and U.S. involvement there — and yet, a decade and a half later, seems to know no more about the country and its actual inhabitants than it ever did.

“I studied Afghanistan in great detail and from every conceivable angle,” Trump claimed, and yet he staked his case for escalating the war once again on a shopworn, cowardly ploy: we must send more troops to honor the sacrifice of the troops we sent before; we must send more troops because so many of those we sent before got killed or damaged beyond repair.

Lessons Learned (and Unlearned)

We can’t allow Afghanistan to become a safe haven for terrorists, Trump insisted, echoing (however unintentionally) Barack Obama and George W. Bush before him. He seems unaware that the terrorists who acted on 9/11 had found safe haven in San Diego and Oakland, California, Phoenix and Mesa, Arizona, Fort Lee and Wayne, New Jersey, Hollywood and Daytona Beach, Florida, and Newton, Massachusetts, among other American towns and cities. On 9/11, those 19 terrorists possessed 63 valid U.S. driver’s licenses issued by many different states. It was in the United States that all 19 of those terrorists found safety. It was here, not in Afghanistan, that the prospective pilots for those hijacked planes learned to fly.

Now, as more troops depart for Afghanistan, I can’t help but think of what I learned when, after so many years of living and working among Afghan civilians, I finally embedded with American troops in 2010. My first lesson was this: there is no such thing in the American military as a negative after-action report. Military plans are always brilliant; strikes always occur as expected; our soldiers are (it goes without saying) heroic; and goals are naturally accomplished without fail. No wonder the policymakers back in Washington remain convinced that we have the greatest military the world has ever seen and that someday we will indeed succeed in Afghanistan, although we haven’t actually won a war of any significance since 1945.

My second lesson: even officers who routinely file such positive reports may be blindsided by the bogus reports of others. Take, for example, a colonel I met in eastern Afghanistan in 2010. He was newly returned to a forward base he had commanded only a few years earlier. Overwhelmed with surprise and grief, he told me he had been “unprepared” — which is to say uninformed by his superiors — to meet “conditions” so much worse than they had been before. He was dismayed to lose so many men in so short a time, especially when American media attention was focused on the other side of the country where a full-scale battle in Helmand Province was projected to be decisive, but somehow seemed to be repeatedly postponed.

Judging by my own experience on forward bases, I believe we can hazard a guess or two about the future of the American war in Afghanistan as the latest troops arrive. First, it will be little different from the awful past. Second, it will produce a surfeit of Afghan civilian casualties and official American self-congratulation. And finally, a number of our soldiers will return in bad shape, or not at all.

And then, of course, there are the dogs again: this time, a black one — unclean, as always, by Islamic standards — in silhouette with a Taliban flag bearing an Islamic text from the Quran on its side. That was what the Americans printed on a leaflet dropped from planes over Parwan province, home of America’s enormous Bagram Air Base. That was supposed to win Afghan hearts and minds, to use an indelible phrase from our war in Vietnam.

Afghans, insulted again, are in an uproar. And the U.S. military, all these years after invading Afghanistan, still doesn’t get this thing about dogs. Yes, the dog thing seems a little irrational and odd, but no more so than the Virgin Birth or the Rapture. The obscurity of such a simple fact to the military brass again brings the Vietnam era to mind and, from a great Pete Seeger antiwar song, another indelible line: “Oh, when will they ever learn?”

Ann Jones, a TomDispatch regular, is the author of Kabul in Winter: Life without Peace in Afghanistan and most recently of They Were Soldiers: How the Wounded Return from America’s Wars — the Untold Story, a Dispatch Books original.

(Republished from TomDispatch by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. Dan Hayes says:

    Ann Jones,

    Thank you for a very informative discussion of America’s travails and debacles in Afghanistan.

    The way I understand it, after first being ignominiously defeated in Afghanistan the British then returned to ruthlessly subjugate the country (or at least some part of it). But Britain, unlike present-day brash America, had enough sense to learn their lesson and eventually departed that God-forsaken country!

    Will America ever realize the futilities of America’s Afghanistan policies?

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  2. De Gaulle already despised the USA for trying to solve any problem with power.
    Trump follows this tradition.

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  3. Great article apart from the usual faux pas paragraph on 9/11 ‘terrorists’ which was the false flag for invading the country in the first place. Let the Afghan government talk to the Taliban, bring in the Shanghai Cooperation countries to sort out external border security issues and leave in 6 months. “When you are in a hole, stop digging! Btw I guess the reference to the Afghan Prime Minister was the military’s way of making Trump look stupid. Trump clearly doesn’t even have a personal secretary who can read through his prepared addresses and spot the howlers!

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    • Agree: Hu Mi Yu
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    Please switch the brain on. Who had a motive to get America entangled in Afghanistan except ObL and his lieutenants? He who was well aware of what Afghanistan did to the Soviet Union and Vietnam to the US. By contrast the neo-cons who took advantage of 9/11 had no interest in Afghanistan and never suggested it would make a good first step toward the US sorting out the ME.
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  4. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    It’s not a war, it’s an occupation and the US is trying to squelch insurgents and impose it’s puppet government upon them. In this the US uses all the old counter-insurgency methods as it tries to separate the insurgents from the general population and pits one ethnic/tribal group against another such as Uzbek vs Pashtun, etc. The majority of Afghans welcomed the victory of the Taliban over the depredations of the US-backed warlords. The Taliban brought stability and law-and-order to most of Afghanistan. Within 48 hours of the US pulling out they’ll be back. The Taliban were never defeated since they weren’t a conventional army to begin with. As an insurgent force they simply scattered upon the US invasion with it’s superior force and proceeded to conduct guerrilla warfare against the occupiers. It’s a fool’s errand for the US to be there. Village idiot Bush got us in and so far no one has the courage to take us out. The author is a typical delusional western woman what with her ‘women’s liberation’ angle, not realizing the situation of women can’t improve without the situation for the entire country improving. Bombs and tanks stymie this. They’ve had almost forty years of war there thanks to the US being willing to fight the Russians to the last Afghan and then invading them itself. Want to do the Afghans a favor? Then get out. It’s going to take a couple generations for them to reconstitute themselves after all these years of “liberation”.

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  5. The U.S. is in Afghanistan to protect the poppy fields and thus the CIA and MOSSAD and MI6 drug running operation which brings in hundreds of billions a year in profits for the deep state and the Zionist bankers. In addition the deep state and the MIC get to spend trillions on weapons which might other wise go to improving the lives of ordinary citizens ie the proles.

    America is OCEANIA where wars are now a way of life , perpetual wars for perpetual profit for the deep state and the Zionist bankers who run the U.S., and just as Orwell said , if you want to see the future imagine a boot smashing you in the face.

    Britain was at war in Afghanistan from 1838 until 1919 ie 81 years until being sucked back in by G.W. Bush and the deep state ie the Zionist warmongers who actually control the U.S., so just as in OCEANIA we proles can look at a future of wars of destruction going on forever.

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  6. Since our Civil War, Americans have always believed they could win any conflict using blunt force.

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    Since our Civil War, Americans have always believed they could win any conflict using blunt force.
     
    No, this belief appeared immediately after WWII due to a combination of factors which had nothing to do with actual American military effort.
    , @utu
    Since our Civil War, Americans have always believed they could win any conflict using blunt force.

    Since Mexican War. The easy success in Mexican War gave Southerners the idea for Secession and expansion into Central and Southern America. Wars breeds wars.
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  7. Joe Hide says:

    Ann Jones, well written article!
    I would like to add that during the previous administrations, both Bush and Obama, reports kept surfacing from American soldiers that they were forced to release enemy combatants that overwhelming evidence had implicated in atrocities. There were other insane orders from the top too. Soldiers discribed this as “Lawyers running the show.” While you are correct in American involvement having been a disaster so far, I’m waiting to see if the current Administration’s round of escalation uses logic and positive goals for the Afghans instead of psychopathic murderous military, political, and corporate insanity.
    Anyway, Ann Jones, please keep publishing.

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  8. L Woods says:

    Think of them as the Afghan equivalent of our own evangelical right-wing Republicans.

    Stopped reading at this point.

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    While I agree with the general thrust of Ann's post, this facile equivalence of American Christians and Afghan Islamist fighters is sad - and it doesn't add anything to what she has to say.

    Christians have been (as a class and individually) subject to multiple and repeated insults over the last forty-odd years, without responding with violence. Compare that with the slaughter of schoolchildren in Pakistan by the Taliban (because their fathers were in the military) .
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  9. Don Bacon says:

    The few thousand increased troops, who will be behind the wire and not accomplish anything, is a PR distraction from the real change in policy in Afghanistan. Trump has told us that the real policy change in Afghanistan is not to build needed infrastructure, but to destroy it. The US must destroy Afghanistan to save it. Excerpts from his August remarks:
    > have the necessary tools and rules of engagement to make this strategy work
    > I have already lifted restrictions
    >we are already seeing dramatic results in the campaign to defeat ISIS, including the liberation of Mosul in Iraq.
    > apply swift, decisive, and overwhelming force.

    Mosul, Iraq has been completely destroyed by US aerial bombing, and there is now a similar situation now in Afghanistan. news headlines:
    >Air Force’s Monthly Bombing Campaign in Afghanistan Hits 5-Year High
    >Data show sharp increase in munitions dropped by Air Force in Afghanistan
    >The Air Force is sending more fighter jets to Afghanistan

    This new strategy is described in a recent think tank posting.
    “While air strikes may be viewed as defensive or punitive, if the Afghan government wants to halt Taliban gains, the Taliban must be forced to pay a heavy price for massing and striking outposts, bases, and district centers. Hitting Taliban forces as they travel in convoys or after they overrun bases will force its military commanders to reconsider their tactics, which have proven successful in all areas of Afghanistan.”

    The generals are now in charge and they will get it done the only way they know how, with high explosives, fragmentation and cluster bombs delivered from the air. Hey, there’s a lot of money in it.

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    Think of them as the Afghan equivalent of our own evangelical right-wing Republicans.
     
    Stopped reading at this point.

    While I agree with the general thrust of Ann’s post, this facile equivalence of American Christians and Afghan Islamist fighters is sad – and it doesn’t add anything to what she has to say.

    Christians have been (as a class and individually) subject to multiple and repeated insults over the last forty-odd years, without responding with violence. Compare that with the slaughter of schoolchildren in Pakistan by the Taliban (because their fathers were in the military) .

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    Uhmmm; How many American "Christians" support the MIC and its bombings, dronings, invasion, etc. of these poor countries? Do any of these "Christians" really read or understand what their "Christ" actually is reported to have said in the New Testament? "Love your enemies, forgive those who have hurt and offended you, turn the other cheek..."?
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  11. Don Bacon says:

    A believe that the offensive leaflet contained a white (not black) dog, here. Or perhaps there was more than one style leaflet used?

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  12. @Epaminondas
    Since our Civil War, Americans have always believed they could win any conflict using blunt force.

    Since our Civil War, Americans have always believed they could win any conflict using blunt force.

    No, this belief appeared immediately after WWII due to a combination of factors which had nothing to do with actual American military effort.

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  13. Rurik says:

    President Obama tried to end the war there in 2014,

    repeatedly refers to the war criminal Obama as “President Obama”, but fails to refer to President Trump with the same honor. (IOW a racist, Obama-loving hack)

    the dog thing seems a little irrational and odd, but no more so than the Virgin Birth or the Rapture.

    or the idea that two planes can cause three buildings to disintegrate

    It was here, not in Afghanistan, that the prospective pilots for those hijacked planes learned to fly.

    the idea that the 19 box-cutter wielding terrorists were able to shut down NORAD and SAC and cause building seven to plop into its basement in neat little piles to be shipped to China and melted down, it the absurdity of the century. Literally.

    I suppose we’re also supposed to believe that Saddam was behind 9/11 and ‘they hate us for our freedom’ and that Obama liberated Libya

    what other manner of idiocy are we subjected to here…

    no mention of the CIA heroin trafficking operations or the very reason the ZUSA is in Afghanistan in the first place – to menace Iran on behalf of Israel. Duh.

    security again sent in the dogs, leaving tearful students to burn their defiled clothing afterward.

    that there is a culture that hates dogs and considers a mere sniff of a dog as defiling their clothing, makes me wonder if there’s anything redeemable at all about this bacha bazi shit hole of a country.

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  14. MarkinPNW says:
    @YetAnotherAnon
    While I agree with the general thrust of Ann's post, this facile equivalence of American Christians and Afghan Islamist fighters is sad - and it doesn't add anything to what she has to say.

    Christians have been (as a class and individually) subject to multiple and repeated insults over the last forty-odd years, without responding with violence. Compare that with the slaughter of schoolchildren in Pakistan by the Taliban (because their fathers were in the military) .

    Uhmmm; How many American “Christians” support the MIC and its bombings, dronings, invasion, etc. of these poor countries? Do any of these “Christians” really read or understand what their “Christ” actually is reported to have said in the New Testament? “Love your enemies, forgive those who have hurt and offended you, turn the other cheek…”?

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    They believe what their governments tell them, which in an age where government was aligned with its citizens interests was probably a good thing. Today, not so good.

    But US Christians aren't getting together to bomb mosques or synagogues, nor do they go on shooting sprees in gay nightclubs.
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  15. Janis says:

    The comparison of Taliban to “evangelical right-wing Republicans” is ludicrous. The entire comment was: “Think of them as the Afghan equivalent of our own evangelical right-wing Republicans. You find some in almost every town. And the more you rile them up, the meaner they get and the more followers they gain.” I am not a big fan of Lenin’s rightwing/leftwing– menshevik/bolshevik rhetoric. However if one wants to quote Lenin, the leftwing would be a better match to the Taliban. Most of the meanness and outright violence from the 20th century up to the present has been from leftwing groups –starting with the Palmer raids in the early part of the 20th century, violent union protests, the very violent 60′s, currently the congressional ballpark shooting, and groups like antifa and BLM(pigs in a blanket, fry ‘em like bacon….).

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  16. iffen says:

    I think Trump would have pulled the plug on Afghanistan if it wasn’t for all those pictures of the helicopter rescues from the roof of the embassy in Saigon.

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  17. Art says:

    Afghanistan – US Bagram Airbase — The neocon Jews and their US generals want a land airbase to pressure and attack the nation of Pakistan – that is 100% of the reason why we are staying in Afghanistan.

    Think Peace — Art

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  18. Everybody should read Doug Wissing’s book “Funding the enemy”. Afghanistan is primitive and it’s only political system is corruption. It’s a waste of American taxpayers money. The Taliban skims money off of every business entity. Farmers grow opium poppies – for the $ of course. Burn down all their crops and get out never to return.

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  19. Erebus says:

    … that is 100% of the reason why we are staying in Afghanistan.
    No, along with the poppy business and selling mil hardware and myriads of related services, menacing Iran and/or Pakistan, are just side benefits.

    The Imperial Imperative demands that the Empire disrupt China’s New Silk Roads initiative, or lose Eurasia. Afghanistan is pivotal. The US will stay and ensure Afghan chaos until the Russians and Chinese make it impossible for them.

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  20. utu says:
    @Epaminondas
    Since our Civil War, Americans have always believed they could win any conflict using blunt force.

    Since our Civil War, Americans have always believed they could win any conflict using blunt force.

    Since Mexican War. The easy success in Mexican War gave Southerners the idea for Secession and expansion into Central and Southern America. Wars breeds wars.

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  21. @MarkinPNW
    Uhmmm; How many American "Christians" support the MIC and its bombings, dronings, invasion, etc. of these poor countries? Do any of these "Christians" really read or understand what their "Christ" actually is reported to have said in the New Testament? "Love your enemies, forgive those who have hurt and offended you, turn the other cheek..."?

    They believe what their governments tell them, which in an age where government was aligned with its citizens interests was probably a good thing. Today, not so good.

    But US Christians aren’t getting together to bomb mosques or synagogues, nor do they go on shooting sprees in gay nightclubs.

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  22. @Malaysian Truther
    Great article apart from the usual faux pas paragraph on 9/11 'terrorists' which was the false flag for invading the country in the first place. Let the Afghan government talk to the Taliban, bring in the Shanghai Cooperation countries to sort out external border security issues and leave in 6 months. "When you are in a hole, stop digging! Btw I guess the reference to the Afghan Prime Minister was the military's way of making Trump look stupid. Trump clearly doesn't even have a personal secretary who can read through his prepared addresses and spot the howlers!

    Please switch the brain on. Who had a motive to get America entangled in Afghanistan except ObL and his lieutenants? He who was well aware of what Afghanistan did to the Soviet Union and Vietnam to the US. By contrast the neo-cons who took advantage of 9/11 had no interest in Afghanistan and never suggested it would make a good first step toward the US sorting out the ME.

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    “Our first objective is to prevent the re-emergence of a new rival, either on the territory of the former Soviet Union or elsewhere, that poses a threat on the order of that posed formerly by the Soviet Union. This is a dominant consideration underlying the new regional defense strategy and requires that we endeavor to prevent any hostile power from dominating a region whose resources would, under consolidated control, be sufficient to generate global power.”

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    Sorry, but 23 is mine. No function buttons worked, so I tried pressing everything. Apparently 1 did, though it didn’t tell me.
    Let’s start again:
    “Our first objective is to prevent the re-emergence of a new rival, either on the territory of the former Soviet Union or elsewhere, that poses a threat on the order of that posed formerly by the Soviet Union. This is a dominant consideration underlying the new regional defense strategy and requires that we endeavor to prevent any hostile power from dominating a region whose resources would, under consolidated control, be sufficient to generate global power.”

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