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Part One • 2,600 Words

Introduction

Alain Brossat and Sylvie Klingberg’s Revolutionary Yiddishland: A History of Jewish Radicalism was first published in France in 1983. A revised edition appeared in 2009 and an English translation in 2016. Intended for a mainly Jewish readership, the book is essentially an apologia for Jewish communist militants in Eastern Europe in the early to mid-twentieth century. Brossat, a Jewish lecturer in philosophy at the University of Paris, and Klingberg, an Israeli sociologist, interviewed dozens of former revolutionaries living in Israel in the early 1980s. In their testimony they recalled “the great scenes” of their lives such as “the Russian Civil War, the building of the USSR, resistance in the camps, the war in Spain, the armed struggle against Nazism, and the formation of socialist states in Eastern Europe.”[A1]Alain Brossat & Sylvie Klingberg, Revolutionary Yiddishland: A History of Jewish Radicalism (London; Verso, 2016), xii. While each followed different paths, “the constancy of these militants’ commitment was remarkable, as was the firmness of the ideas and aspirations that underlay it.” Between the two world wars, communist militancy was “the center of gravity of their lives.”[A2]Ibid., 59.
(Alain Brossat & Sylvie Klingberg, Revolutionary Yiddishland: A History of Jewish Radicalism (London; Verso, 2016), xii.)

While communism in Europe in the early- to mid-twentieth century was characterized by economic dysfunction, systematic oppression, summary executions, and the elimination of entire ethnic groups, Brossat and Klingberg wistfully recall it as a time when European Jewry “failed to achieve its hopes, its utopias, its political programs and strategies.” Instead, the messianic dreams of radical Jews were “broken on the rocks of twentieth-century European history.” A product of their ethnocentric infatuation with the “romance” of Jewish involvement in radical political movements, Revolutionary Yiddishland is Brossat and Klingberg’s hagiographic attempt to resurrect a history that is today “more than lost, being actually denied, even unpronounceable.”

Alain Brossat
Alain Brossat

The unstated reason for this omission lies in the determination of Jews to absolve their co-ethnics of any responsibility for the crimes of communism, and to ensure the advent of German National Socialism is always framed in a way that conduces to a simplified narrative of saintly Jewish victimhood and German (and by extension White European) malevolence. Maintaining this narrative is supremely important for the legions of Jewish “diversity” activists and propagandists throughout the West, given the status of “the Holocaust” as the moral and rhetorical foundation of today’s White displacement agenda. Invocation of this narrative is reflexively used to stifle opposition to the Jewish diaspora strategies of mass non-White immigration and multiculturalism. By contrast, free discussion of the Jewish role in communist crimes undermines Jewish pretentions to moral authority grounded in their self-designated status as history’s preeminent victims. This polarity accounts for the fact that, since 1945, over 150 feature films have been made about “the Holocaust” while the number of films that have been made about the genocide of millions of Eastern Europeans can be counted on one hand — and none have been produced by Hollywood.

The critical importance of suppressing discussion of this unsavory aspect of Jewish history was underscored by Daniel Jonah Goldhagen in his 2013 screed The Devil That Never Dies: The Rise of Global Antisemitism (reviewed here). For Goldhagen, any claim Jews were responsible for the Bolshevik Revolution and its predations is a “calumny,” and morally reprehensible because “If you associate Jews with communism, or worse, hold communism to be a Jewish invention and weapon, every time the theme, let alone the threat, of communism, Marxism, revolution, or the Soviet Union comes up, it also conjures, reinforces, even deepens thinking prejudicially about Jews and the animus against Jews in one’s country.”[A3]Daniel Jonah Goldhagen, The Devil That Never Dies (New York NY; Little, Brown & Co., 2013), 291; 126. It is therefore imperative the topic remain taboo and discussion of it suppressed — regardless of how many historians (Jewish and non-Jewish) confirm the decisive role Jews played in providing the ideological basis for, and the establishment, governance and administration of, the former communist dictatorships of Central and Eastern Europe.

In a recent article for the Jewish Telegraphic Agency, journalist Cnaan Liphshiz, while noting that the Goldhagen approach of absolute denial constitutes “a logical strategy” for Jews, admits the facts do “reaffirm in essence” the assessment of those like “promoter of Holocaust denial” Mark Weber who observed that: “Although officially Jews have never made up more than five percent of the country’s total population, they played a highly disproportionate and probably decisive role in the infant Bolshevik regime.” Liphshiz notes how Russia’s main Jewish museum has, since 2012, “tackled head on the subject of revolutionary Jews” in an exhibition that “underlines unapologetically how and why Jews became central to the revolution.” Knowing that outright denial of the pivotal Jewish role in the Bolshevik revolution and the murderous regimes it spawned is intellectually untenable, a growing number of Jewish historians concede the point, but insist this leading role was morally justified because it was essentially “defensive” in nature.

Thus, while freely admitting Jews had “an outsized role in the revolution,” Boruch Gorin, chairman of Moscow’s Jewish Museum and Tolerance Center, insists that “there were very good reasons for this,” with “anti-Semitism” being foremost among them. For Gorin, the revolution, while offering “Russia’s Jews many opportunities, equal rights and education and a chance to fill the vacuum left by the elite that was forced into exile,” most importantly offered a haven from a “wave of pogroms” in the Ukraine and elsewhere that “some historians call a dress rehearsal for the Holocaust.” According to this conception, a Jew in 1917 “had two choices: revolution or exile.”

Boruch Gorin
Boruch Gorin

Andrew Joyce has explored how Jewish historians and activists have distorted and weaponized the history of “pogroms” in the former Russian Empire. The mythos forged around these events, crystallized in the Russo-Jewish Committee’s propaganda pamphlet The Persecution of the Jews in Russia (1881) and reporting in Jewish-controlled newspapers throughout the West, was pivotal in accelerating the development of modern, international Jewish politics. This narrative revolves around certain claims: that Jews were oppressed for centuries in Russia; that the Pale of Settlement was a virtual prison; that tsarist authorities actively organized and directed pogroms; that pogroms were genocidal and extremely violent in nature; and that Russians were uncivilized and barbaric savages. Contemporary Jewish historians like Simon Sebag Montefiore continue to credit lurid tales of pogroms where Jews were “massacred in such gleefully ingenious atrocities — disemboweled, dismembered, decapitated; children were cutleted, roasted and eaten in front of raped mothers.”[A4]Simon Sebag Montefiore, The Romanovs 1630-1918 (London: Weidenfeld & Nicholson, 2016), 50. Joyce notes how the dissemination of such pornographic accounts were key to ensuring “that mass Jewish chain migration to the West went on untroubled and unhindered by nativists. After all, wasn’t the bigoted nativist just a step removed from the rampaging Cossack?”

Uncritically drawing on this bogus narrative, establishment historians typically ascribe the pogroms to irrational manifestations of hate against Jews, tsarist malevolence, the pathological jealousy and primitive barbarity of the Russian mob, and the “blood libel.” The real underlying causes of peasant uprisings against Jews, such as the Jewish monopolization of entire industries (including the sale of liquor to peasants on credit), predatory moneylending, and radical political agitation, are completely ignored, despite tsarist authorities having repeatedly expressed alarm over how “Jews were exploiting the unsophisticated and ignorant rural inhabitants, reducing them to a Jewish serfdom.”[A5]John Klier, Russians, Jews, and the Pogroms of 1881-2 (New York: Cambridge University Press, 2011), 5. Initiatives to move Jews into less socially damaging economic niches, through extending educational opportunities and drafting Jews into the army, were ineffective in altering this basic pattern. With this in mind, even the revolutionary anarchist Mikhail Bakunin concluded that Jews were “an exploiting sect, a blood-sucking people, a unique, devouring parasite tightly and intimately organized … cutting across all the differences in political opinion.”[A6]Robert Wistrich, From Ambivalence to Betrayal: the Left, the Jews and Israel (Lincoln: University of Nebraska Press, 2012), 186.

In Revolutionary Yiddishland, Brossat and Klingberg posit the “Jewish Bolshevism as morally justified ethnic self-defense” thesis, insisting that “anti-Semitism” was “an insidious poison hovering in the air of the time” that comprised “the sinister background music to the action of the Yiddishland revolutionaries.”[A7]Brossat & Klingberg, Revolutionary Yiddishland, 85. The real causes of anti-Jewish sentiment among the native peasantry are, once again, comprehensively ignored. Rather than seeing Jewish communist militants as willing agents of ethnically-motivated oppression and mass murder, the authors depict them as noble victims who tragically “linked their fate to the grand narrative of working-class emancipation, fraternity between peoples, socialist egalitarianism” rather than to “a Jewish state solidly established on its ethnic foundations, territorial conquests and realpolitik alliances.”[A8]Ibid., ix.
(Brossat & Klingberg, Revolutionary Yiddishland, 85.)
In other words, they mistakenly held communism rather than Zionism to be best for the Jews.

Determined to absolve their co-ethnics of any culpability for communist crimes, Brossat and Klingberg assure us that the militancy of their informants “was always messianic, optimistic, oriented to the Good — a fundamental and irreducible difference from that of the fascists with which some people have been tempted to compare it, on the pretext that one ‘militant ideal’ is equivalent to any other.”[A9]Ibid., 56.
(Brossat & Klingberg, Revolutionary Yiddishland, 85.)
In other words, tens of millions may have died because of the actions of Jewish communist militants, but their hearts were pure. Regarding such arguments, Kevin MacDonald observed how Jewish involvement with Bolshevism “is perhaps the most egregious example of Jewish moral particularism in all of history. The horrific consequences of Bolshevism for millions of non-Jewish Soviet citizens do not seem to have been an issue for Jewish leftists — a pattern that continues into the present.”[A10]Kevin MacDonald, The Culture of Critique: An Evolutionary Analysis of Jewish Involvement in Twentieth‑Century Intellectual and Political Movements, (Westport, CT: Praeger, Revised Paperback edition, 2001), xl.

Jewish participation in Bolshevism as ethnic revenge

That their motivations were far from pure, and that ethnic animosity and desire for revenge were key factors driving the large-scale Jewish support of, and participation in, communist movements was obvious to the Jewish historian Norman Cantor who made the following observation:

The Bolshevik Revolution and some of its aftermath represented, from one perspective, Jewish revenge. During the heyday of the Cold War, American Jewish publicists spent a lot of time denying that — as 1930s anti-Semites claimed — Jews played a disproportionately important role in Soviet and world Communism. The truth is until the early 1950s Jews did play such a role, and there is nothing to be ashamed of. In time Jews will learn to take pride in the record of the Jewish Communists in the Soviet Union and elsewhere. It was a species of striking back.[A11]Norman Cantor, The Jewish Experience: An Illustrated History of Jewish Culture & Society (New York; Castle Press, 1996), 364.

This corresponds with Kevin MacDonald’s assessment in Culture of Critique that the disproportionate participation of Jews in Bolshevik crimes was, in large part, “motivated by revenge against peoples that had historically been anti-Jewish.” One of the (non-Jewish) pioneers of the Dada movement, Hugo Ball, immediately recognized the obvious agenda behind the lopsided Jewish role in the Bolshevik Revolution and resulting Soviet administration. Observing the make-up of the first Bolshevik Executive Committee (four out of six of whom were Jewish), he noted that “it would be strange if these men, who make decisions about expropriation and terror, did not feel old racial resentments against the Orthodox and pogrommatic Russia.”[A12]Albert Boime, “Dada’s Dark Secret,” In: Washton-Long, Baigel & Heyd (Eds.) Jewish Dimensions in Modern Visual Culture: Anti-Semitism, Assimilation, Affirmation, (Waltham MA: Brandeis University Press, 2010), 96.

Leading Jewish communists, like founder of the Mensheviks Yuli Martov, who became a close associate of Lenin and Trotsky, made a point of recalling his childhood experiences of Russian and Ukrainian anti-Semitism. The 1881 Odessa pogrom was his “first taste of primitive Russian anti-Semitism,” and Martov was “shaken to the depths of his being by the pogromist barbarity of Tsarist Russia.” The event left a “permanent mark on his impressionable mind,” and he later underlined the connection between this experience and his subsequent revolutionary career, posing the question: “Would I have become what I became if the Russian reality had not imprinted her coarse fingers on my plastic, youthful soul in that memorable night and carefully planted under the cover of that burning pity which she aroused in my childlike heart, the seeds of a redeeming hatred?”[A13]Robert Wistrich, Revolutionary Jews from Marx to Trotsky (London: George G. Harrap & Co Ltd, 1976), 178.

While Trotsky, the architect of the Bolshevik insurrection and creator of the Red Army, claimed his Jewish origins and Jewish interests did not guide his attraction to Bolshevism, his biographer Joshua Rubenstein disagrees, noting that he “was a Jew in spite of himself,” who “gravitated to Jews wherever he lived,” and “never abided physical attacks on Jews, and often intervened to denounce such violence and organize a defense.”[A14]Joshua Rubenstein, Leon Trotsky: A Revolutionary’s Life (New Haven CT: Yale University Press, 2013), 67; 78; 52. As leader of the Red Army during the Civil War, Trotsky “had to deal with the anti-Semitic attitudes among the population,” and “successfully recruited Jews for the Red Army because they were eager to avenge pogrom attacks.”[A15]Ibid., 113.
(Joshua Rubenstein, Leon Trotsky: A Revolutionary’s Life (New Haven CT: Yale University Press, 2013), 67; 78; 52.)
At the same time, he “voiced his concern over the high number of Jews in the Cheka, knowing that their presence could only provoke hatred towards Jews as a group.” Trotsky was feted by Jews worldwide as “an avenger of Jewish humiliations under Tsarism, bringing fire and slaughter to their worst enemies.”[A16]Wistrich, Revolutionary Jews, 199.

Leon Trotsky
Leon Trotsky

Ethnic revenge was also a motivation for Lazar Kaganovich, the Jewish member of the Politburo who presided over the forced famine that took the lives of millions of Ukrainian peasants and the mass deportation of “anti-Semitic” Cossacks to Siberia in the 1930s. Kaganovich had “battled the chauvinistic and anti-Semitic Black Hundreds, especially strong in Kyiv, both before and after the 1911 Beilis affair, the Russian version of the Dreyfus affair.”[A17]Hiroaki Kuromiya, Russia’s People of Empire: Life Stories from Eurasia, 1500 to the Present (Bloomington: Indiana University Press, 2012), 276. The assassination of the Russian Prime Minister Stolypin in the same year resulted in the Black Hundreds attempting “to whip up a pogrom.” In response, the “Bolsheviks took measures to protect themselves and to rebuff this threat,” and “Kaganovich only joined the party after these momentous events.” He studied Lenin’s works at this time, and the Bolshevik leader’s article “Stolypin and Revolution” which depicted Stolypin as “an organizer of Black Hundred gangs and anti-Semitic pogroms” made a “big impression” on him.[A18]E. A. Rees, Iron Lazar: A Political Biography of Lazar Kaganovich (Anthem Press, 2013), 6.

Kaganovich later became known as the “butcher of the Ukrainians.” As Soviet leader in the Ukraine he received reports documenting “widespread dissatisfaction among workers fuelled by high unemployment, with widespread anti-Semitism, with workers and peasants denouncing the ‘dominance of red nobility of Yids.’” Kaganovich played a “highly visible” role in suppressing this “nationalist deviation” in 1925–28, and later oversaw the forced collectivization of 1932–33, conceived as part of an “assault on the Ukrainian nationalist intelligentsia.” The country was sealed off and all food supplies and livestock were confiscated with Kaganovich leading “expeditions into the countryside with brigades of OGPU troopers” who used “the gun, the lynch mob and the Gulag system to break the villages.”[A19]Myroslav Shkandriij, Jews in Ukrainian Literature: Representation and Identity (Yale University Press, 2009), 137. The secret police, led by Genrikh Yagoda (also Jewish) exterminated all “anti-party elements.” Furious that insufficient Ukrainians were being shot, Kaganovich set a quota of 10,000 executions a week. Eighty percent of Ukrainian intellectuals were shot. During the winter of 1932–33, 25,000 Ukrainians per day were being shot or left to die of starvation.[A20]Lesa Melnyczuk, Silent Memories, Traumatic Lives (RHYW, 2013), 25.

The Bolsheviks mounted murderous campaigns against entire ethnic groups. The Soviet government killed at least 30 million people, most in the first 25 years of the regime’s existence during the height of Jewish power. The Jewish intellectual, G.A. Landau, writing in 1923, was stunned by the “cruelty, sadism, and violence” of Jewish functionaries in the Red Army and secret police “who yesterday did not know how to use a gun” but who “are now found among the executioners and cutthroats.”[A21]Yuri Slezkine, The Jewish Century (Princeton NJ: Princeton University Press, 2006), 183. I.M. Bikerman was similarly shocked at the “disproportionate and immeasurably fervent Jewish participation in the torment of half-dead Russia by the Bolsheviks.”[A22]Ibid., 183.
(Yuri Slezkine, The Jewish Century (Princeton NJ: Princeton University Press, 2006), 183.)
In response to attempts by Jews to disassociate their ethnicity from such figures, the Jewish intellectual I.A. Bromberg noted the cognitive dissonance in the Jewish “passion for seeking out and extolling the Jews famous in various fields of cultural life,” and especially “the shameless circus around the name of Einstein,” while simultaneously distancing themselves from Jewish communist criminals. D.S. Pasmanik agreed, noting how “Ethnic Jews not only do not denounce an Einstein or an Ehrlich; they do not even reject the baptized Heine and Boerne. And this means they have no right to disavow Trotsky and Zinoviev.”[A23]Ibid., 184.
(Yuri Slezkine, The Jewish Century (Princeton NJ: Princeton University Press, 2006), 183.)

Part Two • 4,000 Words
Cover of the original 1983 French edition of Revolutionary Yiddishland
Cover of the original 1983 French edition of Revolutionary Yiddishland

The Pale of Settlement

The Revolutionary Yiddishland of the book’s title refers to the former Pale of Settlement which was comprised of twenty-six governorships in Eastern Europe where Jews were allowed to live, but only in cities and towns. Out of the eleven million Jews in the world in the early twentieth century, Russia held more than five million, and of these, four and a half million resided in the cities and towns of the Pale. For the authors, this “Yiddishland” was not just a geographical territory, but a “social and cultural space, a linguistic and religious world.”[B1]Alain Brossat & Sylvie Klingberg, Revolutionary Yiddishland: A History of Jewish Radicalism (London; Verso, 2016), 29. According to historian John Klier, the much-maligned Pale of Settlement was the only response the tsarist authorities could come up with when faced with how to deal with the “fanaticism of ultra-Orthodox Jewry” which was “unassimilable to official purposes.”

The social hierarchy of Jews in the Pale was, according to Brossat and Klingberg, made up of a wealthy financial bourgeoisie, a middling bourgeoisie which was “intellectual and commercial,” and “an immense Jewish proletariat.”[B2]Ibid., 1.
(Alain Brossat & Sylvie Klingberg, Revolutionary Yiddishland: A History of Jewish Radicalism (London; Verso, 2016), 29.)
The use of the term “proletariat” to describe poorer Jews in the Pale is questionable given that they typically operated as petty traders rather than industrial employees. Jewish peddlers were notorious throughout the Pale as smugglers of contraband (as referenced in Gogol’s Dead Souls). This large number of poorer Jews was the direct result of the Jewish population explosion in Eastern Europe in the nineteenth century when their numbers grew from about 1.5 million at the beginning of the century to almost eight million by 1913.

This Jewish “proletariat,” a hotbed of radicalism characterized by “powerful organization,” played a “decisive part” in the “strikes and insurrections that broke out right across the Pale in the course of the 1905 Revolution.” Regarding revolutionary agitators at this time, Tsar Nicholas II claimed that “nine-tenths of the troublemakers are Jews” who also dominated the newspapers where “some Jew or another sits … making it his business to stir up passions of people against each other.”[B3]Anne Applebaum, Red Famine: Stalin’s War on Ukraine (New York NY: Doubleday, 2017) 114.

The late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries saw millions of these poorer Jews migrate to destinations as diverse as North and South America, France, South Africa, Australia and Palestine. The ideological zealotry of these Jewish migrants directly influenced American immigration policy around this time, with Muller noting:

The image of the Jew as Communist played an often overlooked role in the history not only of Jews in America, but of the millions of Jews in Eastern Europe who would have liked to emigrate to the United States after World War I, but who were prevented from doing so by the immigration restrictions enacted in the early 1920s, culminating in the Reed-Johnson Act of 1924. For those restrictions were motivated in part by the identification of Jews with political radicalism.’[B4]Jerry Z. Muller, J.Z. (2010) Capitalism and the Jews (Princeton NJ: Princeton University Press, 2010), 161-62.

The prominent Jewish intellectual and writer Chaim Bermant observed that “To many minds, at the beginning of this [twentieth] century, the very words ‘radical’ and ‘Jew’ were almost one, and many a left-wing thinker or politician was taken to be Jewish through the very fact of his radicalism.”[B5]Chaim Bermant, Jews (London; Weidenfeld & Nicholson, 1977), 160.

From the 1860s the effects of the Enlightenment and the rise of capitalism throughout the Pale overturned the traditional structures of Jewish life. The Jewish population became increasingly concentrated in urban centers as Jews migrated from the shtetl to the cities. This geographical shift was accompanied by an intellectual shift involving “a break with the rigidity of the traditional Jewish life that invaded every sphere of existence.” This break caused tensions and conflicts in Jewish families across and beyond the Pale — mainly between traditionalist parents and their children who abandoned traditional Judaism to embrace Marxism. Brossat and Klingberg note how “the theme of generational conflict, the clash between the old and the new within the family structure, returns like a leitmotiv in the statements of many of our witnesses.”[B6]Brossat & Klingberg, Revolutionary Yiddishland, 37.

The progression of young Jews from religious fanaticism to political fanaticism was often a psychologically seamless process, with the Messianic creed of Marxism being grafted, without much difficulty, onto traditional Jewish paradigms. All the various branches of Jewish radicalism, the Bund (a Jewish socialist party), Poale Zion (a socialist Zionist party), and communism “sprang from the same root: the great utopia of a new world, the New Covenant that was prefigured by the writings of the socialist thinkers of the second half of the nineteenth century.”[B7]Ibid., 56.
(Brossat & Klingberg, Revolutionary Yiddishland, 37.)
The European left was in large measure a Jewish creation. In Germany in the mid-nineteenth century Marx, Hess, and Lassalle, all three of Jewish origin, founded and shaped the socialist movement.

Interviewee Max Technitchek recalled how his traditionalist father, through exposure to radical literature, became convinced “that socialism was a good thing, that a day would come when everybody would be happy. Of course the good Lord still had a hand in it — the Messiah, socialism, the vision of future happiness for the Jews and all humanity — all this tended to melt together in his convictions.”[B8]Ibid., 47.
(Brossat & Klingberg, Revolutionary Yiddishland, 37.)
Here we see the conception of Judaism as a self-perceived universalist, morally superior movement — the “light unto the nations” theme that has recurrently emerged as an important aspect of Jewish self-identity since antiquity and especially since the Enlightenment. This despite the fact that Jews have frequently served oppressive ruling elites in traditional societies throughout history.

The religious father of communist militant David Szarfharc expressed sympathy for communism because, for him, “the prophets were precursors of Marx.”[B9]Ibid.
(Brossat & Klingberg, Revolutionary Yiddishland, 37.)
It was thus not uncommon for the Marxist sympathies of traditionalist parents to “beat the path to radicalism and revolutionary commitment for their children.”[B10]Ibid.
(Brossat & Klingberg, Revolutionary Yiddishland, 37.)
Another attraction of Marxism was “its replication of Judaic traditions of book-learning, exegesis and prediction.”[B11]Robert Service, Comrades! A History of World Communism (Cambridge MA: Harvard University Press, 2010) 123. Sachar notes how “its intellectual sophistication appealed to Jews,” though its chief allure lay in the fact it “rejected all forms of chauvinism and nationalist xenophobia. In short, it rejected anti-Semitism.”[B12]Howard M. Sachar, A History of the Jews in the Modern World (New York NY: Knopf, 2005) 151.

For many in the younger generation, communism was seen not a rejection of Judaism but its logical extension. For the vast majority of Jewish communists, “their commitment to the movement was not a sign of forgetting or denying their identity; they participated in it as Jews, drawing Jewish workers into the great movement of universal emancipation.” Brossat and Klingberg’s informants’ accounts of their transition from the closed world of religion to the open world of modernity was “not expressed in terms of violent rupture, rather of evolution, reconciliation” between Judaism and Marxism. For the authors, the testimony of their informants revealed “the plasticity, capacity for evolution and basic internal dynamism of the Jewish world of Eastern Europe.”[B13]Brossat & Klingberg, Revolutionary Yiddishland, 46.

Jewish support for the Bolshevik Revolution in 1917

Jews naturally welcomed the February Revolution of 1917 which led to the abolition of all legal restrictions on Jews starting with the Pale of Settlement. At this time, most Jews did not support the Bolsheviks, but other more overtly pro-Jewish groups like the Bund, Poale Zion, and the Mensheviks. This changed after the Bolsheviks seized power in October 1917 and launched a campaign to wipe out all traces of anti-Semitism in the former Russian Empire. Brossat and Klingberg note how “the Bolsheviks equated anti-Semitism with counterrevolution” and applied the rigors of martial law to “pogromists.” This attracted huge numbers of Jews into the ranks of the new Bolshevik regime, who “provided very many cadres to both the provincial administrations of the new regime and the army.” The prevalence of Jews in the new administration was such that the “Soviet government [effectively] made anti-Semitism a proxy for anti-Bolshevism.”[B14]Terry Martin, The Affirmative Action Empire: Nations and Nationalism in the Soviet Union, 1923-1939 (Cornell University Press, 2001), 43.

Jewish Bolshevik supporters during the October Revolution
Jewish Bolshevik supporters during the October Revolution

Once the Civil War began, Jewish support for the new regime became even more pronounced. By March 1919 a large majority of the members of the Jewish Bund “pronounced in favor of the Soviet dictatorship.” Key to this support was the fact the Bolsheviks had

proclaimed the definitive abolition of all forms of national discrimination; the Soviet government waged an effective struggle against anti-Semitism. The abolition of the Pale of Settlement enabled Jews to move freely across the whole Russian territory; the proclamation of the equality of all citizens opened the doors of the new administration to them; the proclaimed desire of the new power to contribute to the rehabilitation of all cultures and nationalities oppressed by Great Russian chauvinism under the tsarist regime gave them hope for the yiddische gass, the “Jewish street,” of Russia. Was not the presence of so many Jews in leading positions in the new state apparatus a tangible guarantee, a deposit in the future?[B15]Brossat & Klingberg, Revolutionary Yiddishland, 183.

Solomon Fishkowski, a Poale Zion militant in Kolno, Poland, enthusiastically welcomed the revolution. After being briefly imprisoned for distributing propaganda leaflets in 1918, he enlisted in the Polish army. When the Polish-Soviet war broke out he deserted and joined the Red Army “to rally to this revolution that had proclaimed the end to all discrimination against Jews.”[B16]Ibid., 192.
(Brossat & Klingberg, Revolutionary Yiddishland, 183.)
Haim Babic, a faithful activist of the Bund in Poland, claimed that Polish Jews like him “demanded immediate and radical solutions, which pressed us to turn towards the east, the USSR.”[B17]Ibid., 66.
(Brossat & Klingberg, Revolutionary Yiddishland, 183.)
Babic became convinced that “Polish Jews would never escape from their misery without a worldwide overthrow.”[B18]Ibid., 67.
(Brossat & Klingberg, Revolutionary Yiddishland, 183.)

When, after the chaos of World War I, revolutions erupted all over Europe, Jews were everywhere at the helm. The old order in Hungary was overthrown by the Hungarian Soviet Republic of Bela Kun (Cohen) who seized power in March 1919 and lasted for only 133 days before succumbing to invading Romanian troops. Of the government’s forty-nine commissars, thirty-one were Jews.[B19]Ibid., 153.
(Brossat & Klingberg, Revolutionary Yiddishland, 183.)
After seizing power they acted in enthusiastic accord with their radical political principles:

Statues of Hungarian kings and national heroes were torn down, the national anthem was banned, and the display of the national colors was made a punishable offense. … Radical agitators were dispatched to the countryside, where they ridiculed the institution of the family and threatened to turn churches into movie theatres. … Antipathy soon enough focused on the Jews. Young revolutionaries of Jewish origin had been sent to the countryside to administer the newly collectivized agricultural estates; their radicalism was exceeded only by their incompetence, reinforcing peasant anti-Semitism. The Jesuits, for their part, interpreted the revolution as Jewish and anti-Christian in essence. … Rumors abounded that the revolutionaries were everywhere desecrating the Host. In Budapest as in the countryside, opposition to the regime, defense of the church, and anti-Semitism went hand in hand.[B20]Muller, Capitalism and the Jews, 156-57.

An eyewitness account of the Hungarian Soviet Republic was published in 1921 by the visiting French brothers Jean and Jérôme Tharaud entitled When Israel is King. Interspersed with accounts of the confiscation of wealth by the revolutionaries, and the replacement of Hungarian professors with young Jewish intellectuals, were reflections like: “A New Jerusalem was growing up on the banks of the Danube. It emanated from Karl Marx’s Jewish brain, and was built by Jews upon a foundation of very ancient ideas.”’[B21]Ibid. p. 160
(Muller, Capitalism and the Jews, 156-57.)

Bela Kun in 1919
Bela Kun in 1919

Reflecting on this history, Zsolt Bayer, co-founder of Hungary’s ruling Fidesz Party, last year posed the question in an op-ed: “Why are we surprised that the simple peasant whose determinant experience was that the Jews broke into his village, beat his priest to death, threatened to convert his church into a movie theater — why do we find it shocking that twenty years later he watched without pity as the gendarmes dragged the Jews away from his village?”

A Jewish cultural renaissance in the USSR

After the Bolshevik Revolution the national rights of the Jewish population were fully recognized. This was manifested in the opening of Yiddish-language schools, the publication of books and periodicals in that language, and the creation, in January 1918, of a sub-commissariat of Jewish affairs.[B22]Brossat & Klingberg, Revolutionary Yiddishland, 189. Brossat and Klingberg claim a “Jewish cultural renaissance” occurred in the USSR in the 1920s, which was associated with a “remarkable flourishing of Jewish theater in this period, by an intense and varied production of Yiddish literature, the establishment of Jewish schools etc.” The sudden changes introduced by the revolution “precipitated the eruption of these communities into modernity, bringing to birth the features of a new Jewish identity in the USSR.” Synagogues were rebranded “cultural circles” where meetings were held on the dates of religious festivals which “denounced outdated beliefs and celebrated the cult of the revolution.”[B23]Ibid., 199.
(Brossat & Klingberg, Revolutionary Yiddishland, 189.)

It is a testament to Judaism’s tenacity as a group evolutionary strategy that Jewish ethnic continuity was unaffected by the official assimilationist ideology of the new regime. The rejection of religious traditionalism was instead “accompanied by a ‘self-affirmation,’ a ‘rejection of assimilation’ by the new public that recognized itself in this original cultural production.”[B24]Ibid., 194.
(Brossat & Klingberg, Revolutionary Yiddishland, 189.)
Accordingly, the “massive revolutionary commitment” of Jewish youth in the early twentieth century “cannot be equated with a flight from the Jewish world, an unqualified rejection of this world.” Their commitment was “not a sign of forgetting or denying their identity; they participated in it as Jews” and Marxism-Leninism only “consolidated them in their Jewish identity.”[B25]Ibid., 51.
(Brossat & Klingberg, Revolutionary Yiddishland, 189.)

Pre-revolutionary Jewish schools were almost entirely traditional heder that taught the Bible and Talmud: the post-revolutionary schools were secular institutions impregnated with communist ideology. Despite this, instruction was in Yiddish and the new schools continued to segregate Jewish children from the surrounding goyische society. Here was clear evidence that the Jewish advocacy of radical, universalist ideologies like communism was compatible with Judaism as a group evolutionary strategy. Kevin MacDonald notes in Culture of Critique how the Bolsheviks “aggressively attempted to destroy all vestiges of Christianity as a socially unifying force within the Soviet Union while at the same time it established a secular Jewish subculture so that Judaism would not lose its group continuity or its unifying mechanisms such as the Yiddish language.”[B26]Kevin MacDonald, The Culture of Critique: An Evolutionary Analysis of Jewish Involvement in Twentieth‑Century Intellectual and Political Movements, (Westport, CT: Praeger, Revised Paperback edition, 2001), 58.

It took opponents of the Bolsheviks little time to notice the overwhelmingly Jewish nature of the new regime. Jews were a primary target of tsarist loyalists who “mobilized under the banner ‘For Holy Russia, against the Jews!’”[B27]Brossat & Klingberg, Revolutionary Yiddishland, 184. Jews were attracted to communism in the 1920s to an extraordinary extent and their prominence, not only in the Bolshevik political leadership in the period from 1917 to 1922 but especially in the secret police, only “nourished anti-Semitism.”[B28]Robert Wistrich, Revolutionary Jews from Marx to Trotsky (London: George G. Harrap & Co Ltd, 1976), 199. Soviet propaganda demonized Ukrainian nationalist leaders like Petliura as an “anti-Semite” and “linked Ukrainian nationalism to looting, killing and above all pogroms.” Petliura was murdered in Paris in 1926 by a Russian Jew, Sholom Schwatzbard, who, “inspired by Soviet propaganda” claimed to be “taking revenge for the pogroms.”[B29]Applebaum, Red Famine, 188. Schwatzbard was hailed as a hero by Jews around the world.

The sudden appearance of large numbers of Jews in leadership positions throughout the ranks of the new Soviet regime, a “revolution in the revolution,” had an electrifying effect on Jewish youth throughout Eastern Europe. Esther Rosenthal-Schneidermann, a Jewish communist from Poland who arrived in Moscow in 1926 to take part in the first congress of activists specializing in the field of education, recalled her emotional reaction to discovering this new reality:

Up till then, I had never seen a Jew in the role of high official, not to say an official speaking our everyday mamelosh [mother tongue], Yiddish. And here on the podium in the congress hall of the People’s Commissariat for Education there were top officials speaking Yiddish, in the name of the colossal Soviet power, of Jewish education that the party placed on a footing of equality with the cultural assets of other peoples.[B30]Brossat & Klingberg, Revolutionary Yiddishland, 186.

Rubenstein notes how “In a country where Jews had been persecuted and marginalized for so long, it must have been unnerving for millions of people to see Jews among those in charge of the country.”[B31]Joshua Rubenstein, Leon Trotsky: A Revolutionary’s Life (New Haven CT: Yale University Press, 2013), 113-14. After the revolution, Jews quickly moved into “important and especially sensitive positions in the bureaucracy and administration of the new regime,” and, as a result, the first encounter with the new regime for many Russians “was likely to be with a commissar, tax officer, or secret police official of Jewish origin.” Muller notes that:

with so many Bolsheviks of Jewish origin in positions of leadership, it was easy to consider Bolshevism a “Jewish” phenomenon. And if Winston Churchill, who was personally remote from anti-Semitism, could regard Bolshevism as a disease of the Jewish body politic, those who had long conceived of Jews as the enemies of Christian civilization quickly concluded that Bolshevism was little more than a transmutation of the essence of the Jewish soul.[B32]Bermant, Jews, 139.

Or, as Kevin MacDonald has conceptualized it, a post-enlightenment manifestation of Judaism as a group evolutionary strategy. Following the dramatic reversal of fortune for Russian Jewry under the Bolsheviks, many Jews who had left tsarist Russia to migrate to North America or Western Europe returned to witness the “unbelievable.” It was “a topsy-turvy world” said one such onlooker, A.S. Sachs, where “the despised had come to sit on the throne and those who had been the least were now the mightiest.” He noted with jubilation that “The Jewish Bolsheviks demonstrate before the entire world that the Jewish people are not yet degenerate, and that this ancient people is still alive and full of vigor. If a people can produce men who can undermine the foundations of the world and strike terror into the hearts of countries and governments, then it is a good omen for itself, a clear sign of its youthfulness, its vitality and stamina.”[B33]Ibid. 171-72.
(Bermant, Jews, 139.)

Jewish power in Stalin’s Soviet Union

Brossat and Klingberg note how the situation of Jews in the early decades of the Soviet Union is often framed in terms of their victimhood at the hands of Stalinist “totalitarianism” — emphasizing the social and political repression that struck individual Jewish intellectuals, artists and activists. With the purges of the mid-1930s and Stalin’s rejection of “cosmopolitan internationalism” in favor of socialism in one country, the political landscape did change significantly for Jews. Their confidence “in the dialectic of history” was shaken by Stalin’s “restoration of the Great Russian chauvinism.” Stalin was, according to the authors, “a dyed-in-the-wool anti-Semite” who

had never completely settled accounts with the national obscurantism that had poisoned the social atmosphere under the old regime [i.e. tsarist anti-Semitism] — in contrast to Lenin, who had a horror of racism and denounced national prejudices throughout his life. In 1907, Stalin was highly amused by the joke of a certain comrade Alexinski who, noting that Jews were particularly numerous among the Mensheviks, suggested that it would perhaps be time to “conduct a pogrom in the party.” When the factional struggle broke out in the mid-1920s, opposing Stalin and Bukharin to the left led by Trotsky and Radek, soon joined by Zinoviev and Kamenev, the latter were amazed to discover that Stalin and his clique had no hesitation, in the heat of the battle, in coming out with sly allusions to their enemies’ “exotic” origins and drawing on chauvinist prejudices that remained anchored in the consciousness of Soviet workers.[B34]Brossat & Klingberg, Revolutionary Yiddishland, 211.

Despite pointing out and condemning Stalin’s hostility to Jews, the authors erect a moral firewall between Stalin’s Soviet Union and Hitler’s Third Reich. Doubtless with Hannah Arendt’s The Origins of Totalitarianism in mind, they lament that the “prevailing discourse on ‘totalitarianism’ generally assimilates Nazi and Stalinist anti-Semitism, viewing them as equivalent and basically sharing the same features.” Such a stance, they insist, fails to appreciate how “anti-Semitism fulfilled different functions in the Nazi and Stalinist systems” and only leads to “error” because “even in the worst days of Stalinist repression, under Yezhov in the late 1930s or under Beria in the early 1950s, Stalin did not “practice the kind of racial discrimination and repression that the Nazis had made a precept, the very pivot of their system” — a view that ignores the interests of non-Jewish Russians who were the main victims of Bolshevik horrors, entirely. They note how attempts to frame Jews as wholesale victims of Stalin’s anti-Semitism also ignores the fact that most Jews in the 1930s remained loyal to the Soviet Union and “the idealism and messianism of their actions [was] still just as great.”[B35]Ibid., 61.
(Brossat & Klingberg, Revolutionary Yiddishland, 211.)
Furthermore, Jews remained an elite group in the USSR during this period, and most of the women around Stalin and many of his closest collaborators, from Yagoda to Mekhlis, were Jewish.

Josef Stalin
Josef Stalin

For the authors of Revolutionary Yiddishland, it is “impossible to understand the scope of subsequent disappointments without stressing how strongly the majority of the Jewish population rallied to the Soviet regime in the course of the Civil War, and the attraction that the ‘utopia’ of the new state power continued to exert on several generations of Jewish socialist militants of Eastern Europe.”[B36]Ibid., 191.
(Brossat & Klingberg, Revolutionary Yiddishland, 211.)
Jews like Bronia Zelmanovicz continued to avidly propagandize for communism in Poland in 1937 (the highpoint of Stalin’s purges in the USSR). Talking to fellow Jews she “explained to them that there was no more anti-Semitism in the Soviet Union.” She rapidly came to the attention of the Polish police and was ultimately imprisoned. She noted how “I found myself together with thirteen other young women — militants or communist sympathizers — twelve of whom were Jewish.”[B37]Ibid., 72.
(Brossat & Klingberg, Revolutionary Yiddishland, 211.)

Brossat and Klingberg use the term “revolutionary heroism,” to describe the “militant courage” of these Jewish communists in Poland. The Polish Communist Party was perceived by most Poles as the party of the foreigner, of Poland’s hereditary enemy, “the ‘fifth column’ that had supported the Red Army’s advance on Warsaw in 1920.”[B38]Ibid., 71.
(Brossat & Klingberg, Revolutionary Yiddishland, 211.)
This was when the concept of “Judaeo-Bolshevism” (zydeokommuna) was coined by the nationalist right. Jewish membership of the Polish Communist Party fluctuated between 22 and 35 percent of the total. Jews were even more heavily represented in the party leadership: in 1935 they constituted 54 percent of the field leadership and 75 percent of the technika (responsible for propaganda).[B39]Bernard Wasserstein, On the Eve: The Jews of Europe Before the Second World War (Profile Books, 2012), 64. According to militant Yaakov Greenstein, “The worse misery, anti-Semitism and political repression grew in the 1930s, the more convinced I was that socialism was the only possible solution for us. The communist movement was a fountain at that time for the Jewish youth in Poland.”[B40]Brossat & Klingberg, Revolutionary Yiddishland, 62.

The unswerving commitment of Galician Jew, Shlomo Szlein, to Stalin was grounded in his identification of Soviet communism with philo-Semitism:

We were on the border of the USSR, and the way in which the national question had been solved in Soviet Russia or Byelorussia, especially the Jewish question, struck us as extraordinarily positive. Younger Jews, in the late 1920s, had joined the communist movement in eastern Galicia on a massive scale. The movement’s power of attraction was that it seemed to promise to resolve both the social question and national question in a short space of time. There was such a high proportion of Jewish youth in the communist movement here that you could almost say it was a Jewish national movement. In any case, the question of stifling or denial of Jewish national identity absolutely didn’t arise. The majority of Jewish young people joined it with a Jewish national consciousness.[B41]Ibid., 61.
(Brossat & Klingberg, Revolutionary Yiddishland, 62.)

Accusations of “anti-Semitism” directed at Stalin by Trotskyists were indignantly dismissed by leading American Jews in the 1930s. The journalist B.Z. Goldberg responded with anger, claiming “In order to beat Stalin, Trotsky considers it right to make Soviet Russia anti-Semitic. … For us this is a very serious matter. … We are accustomed to look to the Soviet Union as our sole consolation as far as anti-Semitism is concerned.” Even Rabbi Stephen Wise, the most famous rabbi of his generation, regarded Trotsky’s claim of anti-Semitism against Stalin as a “cowardly device.”[B42]Rubenstein, Leon Trotsky: A Revolutionary’s Life, 176. During the 1920s and throughout the 1930s, the Soviet Union accepted aid for Soviet Jews from foreign Jewish organizations, especially the American Jewish Joint Distribution Committee which was funded by wealthy American Jews like Warburg, Schiff, Kuhn, Loeb, Lehman, and Marshall.[B43]MacDonald, Culture of Critique, xxxix. During the 1930s, when millions of Soviet citizens were being murdered by the Soviet government, the Communist Party USA took great pains to appeal to specific Jewish interests, and glorified the development of Jewish life in the Soviet Union which was seen as “living proof that under socialism the Jewish question could be solved. Communism was perceived as good for Jews.”[B44]Ibid., xl.
(MacDonald, Culture of Critique, xxxix.)

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The psychological impact of the Hitler Stalin pact

Radical Jewish militants were deeply traumatized by the pact between Hitler and Stalin just prior to the start of the World War II. The dilemma facing Jewish communists, the contradiction between their “visceral anti-fascism” and what was now presented to them as an imperative of realpolitik for the USSR, repeatedly cropped up in testimony of those interviewed for Revolutionary Yiddishland. One of these, Louis Gronowski, recalled:

I remember my disarray, the inner conflict. This pact was repugnant to me, it went against my sentiments, against everything I had maintained until then in my statements and writings. For all those years, we had presented Hitlerite Germany as the enemy of humanity and progress, and above all, the enemy of the Jewish people and the Soviet Union. And now the Soviet Union signed a pact with its sworn enemy, permitting the invasion of Poland and even taking part in its partition. It was the collapse of the whole argument forged over these long years. But I was a responsible Communist cadre, and my duty was to overcome my disgust.[C1]Alain Brossat & Sylvie Klingberg, Revolutionary Yiddishland: A History of Jewish Radicalism (London; Verso, 2016), 139-40.

For many radical Jews, Hitler’s invasion of the Soviet Union in 1941 provided a sense of “relief that was paradoxical but none the less immense. They had finally found their political compass again, recovered their footing; in short, they would be able to launch all their forces into the struggle against the Nazis without fear of sinning against the ‘line.’”[C2]Ibid., 141.
(Alain Brossat & Sylvie Klingberg, Revolutionary Yiddishland: A History of Jewish Radicalism (London; Verso, 2016), 139-40.)

In late 1941, with the outcome of the battle for Moscow uncertain, Stalin, contemplating the possibility of defeat, acted decisively to ensure the field was not left open for the former Trotskyist faction. He ordered the execution of two historical leaders of the Bund, Victor Adler and Henryk Ehrlich, just after Soviet officials had offered them the presidency of the World Jewish Congress. For Stalin, “all the militants of the Bund and other Polish Jewish socialist parties who were refugees in the USSR were considered a priori political adversaries — particularly when they refused to adopt Soviet nationality — and treated accordingly.”[C3]Ibid., 225.
(Alain Brossat & Sylvie Klingberg, Revolutionary Yiddishland: A History of Jewish Radicalism (London; Verso, 2016), 139-40.)

These executions caused international uproar, with Jews around the world protesting, and the furor not dying down until the establishment of a Jewish organization, the Jewish Anti-Fascist Committee (JAC), dedicated to winning the favor of American Jews. In Culture of Critique, Kevin MacDonald notes how American Jewish leaders, such as Nahum Goldmann of the World Jewish Congress and Rabbi Stephen Wise of the American Jewish Congress “helped quell the uproar over the incident and shore up positive views of the Soviet Union among American Jews.”[C4]Kevin MacDonald, The Culture of Critique: An Evolutionary Analysis of Jewish Involvement in Twentieth‑Century Intellectual and Political Movements, (Westport, CT: Praeger, Revised Paperback edition, 2001), xxxix.

Stalin controlled the Jewish Anti-Fascist Committee at a distance. The JAC was headed by leaders of the Soviet Jewish intelligentsia like Solomon Mikhoels and Ilya Ehrenburg whose principal task was to “develop support for the USSR at war among Jewish communities abroad, and especially in America.”[C5]Brossat & Klingberg, Revolutionary Yiddishland, 225. Interviewee Isaac Safrin recalled hearing “on the radio that a Jewish Anti-Fascist Committee had just been set up. Ilya Ehrenburg made a great speech, very emotional, and we began to cry. The woman [he was staying with] didn’t understand what had affected us, and we had to explain to her that it was because he was Jewish.”[C6]Ibid., 230.
(Brossat & Klingberg, Revolutionary Yiddishland, 225.)
For the six years of its existence 1942–8, the Jewish Anti-Fascist Committee “stood at the center of an intense reactivation of Jewish life,” and many of the interviewees were “struck by the revival of cultural activities, even of national assertion, on the part of the Jewish community, which was encouraged by the regime in the course of the war.”[C7]Ibid., 232.
(Brossat & Klingberg, Revolutionary Yiddishland, 225.)

The wartime revival of Jewish identity in the USSR culminated in a revival of Zionist hopes for a reversal of Stalin’s opposition to the establishment of a Jewish state in Palestine. Alarmed by the “triumphant welcome Moscow’s Jews extended to the first Israeli ambassador, Golda Meir, Stalin dissolved the Jewish Anti-Fascist Committee in 1948 and a few months later, prominent Jewish writers, artists and scientists were arrested, and Jewish newspapers, libraries and theatres were closed.

Golda Meir mobbed by ecstatic Jews in Moscow in 1948
Golda Meir mobbed by ecstatic Jews in Moscow in 1948

Meir’s rapturous reception in Moscow reinforced that every Jew in the USSR was potentially an Israeli citizen, and that the Soviet authorities were right to distrust a community that, apart from its official nationality, bore another homeland in its heart. The authors note how:

Even in the Soviet dictionary, the word “cosmopolitan” was given a new meaning; instead of “an individual who considers the whole world as his homeland” (the 1931 definition), this was now “an individual who is deprived of patriotic sentiment, detached from the interests of his homeland, a stranger to his own people with a disdainful attitude towards its culture” (the 1949 definition). The official press poured scorn on “vagabonds without passports,” people “without family or roots,” always in anti-Semitic tones.[C8]Ibid., 234.
(Brossat & Klingberg, Revolutionary Yiddishland, 225.)

Stalin’s campaign against “Jewish cosmopolitans” famously culminated with the “Jewish doctors’ plot” of 1953 where leading Soviet doctors, for the most part Jews, were accused of plotting to kill Stalin. Arrested and threatened with trial, they owed their salvation to Stalin’s death (under highly suspicious circumstances) the same year. Having surveyed these events, Brossat and Klingberg view the “failure of Soviet policy towards the Jews” under Stalin as stemming from “the application of a reactionary policy that broke fundamentally with the program of the October Revolution.”[C9]Ibid., 236.
(Brossat & Klingberg, Revolutionary Yiddishland, 225.)

Jewish radicals who remained in Europe after WWII

For the Jewish radicals who remained in Europe after 1945, the predominant feeling was, with the defeat of fascism, history was now “on the march” and the triumph of the Red Army meant that “the great socialist dream seemed finally within reach.” The order of the day was “the building of a new society in those countries of Eastern and Central Europe liberated from fascism by the Red Army.” Brossat and Klingberg note how “these militants rapidly found themselves drawn into the apparatus of the new states being constructed.”[C10]Ibid., 264.
(Brossat & Klingberg, Revolutionary Yiddishland, 225.)

Jewish communist cadres were “systematically entrusted with even the most senior positions in the army, the police, the diplomatic corps, economic management etc.” Jews were deliberately placed in key positions because Soviet authorities feared a resurgence of nationalism in the countries they now occupied. Jews could be trusted to carry out their plans and were seen as least likely to form an alliance with the local populace against the hegemony of the Soviets, as Tito had done in Yugoslavia. In the newly conquered nations of Eastern and Central Europe, the Soviets had few reliable supporters, and “because they were familiar with local conditions and fanatically antifascist, Jews were often chosen for the security police.”[C11]Ibid. 171.
(Brossat & Klingberg, Revolutionary Yiddishland, 225.)
According to Adam Paszt, the Soviet authorities “knew that the population was anti-Semitic, so they tried to conceal the fact that there were Jews in leading positions.” Jews were thus “encouraged to change their names.”[C12]Ibid., 267.
(Brossat & Klingberg, Revolutionary Yiddishland, 225.)
The authors note how:

Few of our informants could resist the siren call. Though well established in France, where he lived with his family, Isaac Kotlarz agreed nonetheless to return to Poland; he was a disciplined militant, and the party appealed to his devotion. Adam Paszt, for his part, had already lived for some years in the USSR, and although the scales had fallen from his eyes, he still had hopes. “I told myself that the USSR was a backward country, that in Poland, a more developed country, the way to socialism would be different.” Those who had been shattered by the defeat in Spain and the discovery of Soviet reality were freshly mobilized by the new situation; this upsurge of utopia, this summons from history.[C13]Ibid., 265.
(Brossat & Klingberg, Revolutionary Yiddishland, 225.)

Bronia Zelmanowicz recalled that “When I returned to Poland I joined the party. Almost all the Jews did so. Some profited from the opportunity to rise higher than their abilities or their education should have let them. This was called ‘rising with the party card.’ It did a great deal to tarnish the image of Jews among the Polish population. The same phenomenon was seen in the USSR.”[C14]Ibid., 267.
(Brossat & Klingberg, Revolutionary Yiddishland, 225.)
The new regimes in Poland, Romania, Bulgaria, Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia and Hungary “needed these experienced Jewish militants, who thus turned from revolutionaries into officials, privileged people in countries that had a hard time rising from their ruins.” The loyalty of these Jewish militants to the new regime was “based not only on conviction, but also on the material advantages that it gave.”[C15]Ibid., 267-8.
(Brossat & Klingberg, Revolutionary Yiddishland, 225.)

After World War II, Hungary offered an extreme example of the Jewish domination of the new regime brought to power by the Red Army. The key post of general secretary was occupied by a Jew, Mátyás Rákosi, who billed himself as “Stalin’s best pupil.”[C16]Ibid., 173.
(Brossat & Klingberg, Revolutionary Yiddishland, 225.)
The next five major positions were filled by Jews and a third of higher police officials were Jewish, and many departments of the security apparatus were headed by Jews. Many had spent years, even decades, in the Soviet Union, while others “had returned from concentration camps or who survived the war in Budapest” and who, as well as regarding the Soviets as their liberators, nursed “a burning desire for vengeance” against the Hungarians who had collaborated with the Nazis. Muller notes how “By moving into the army, the police, and the security apparatus, these young Jewish survivors put themselves in a position to settle accounts with the men of the Arrow Cross.”[C17]Ibid., 175.
(Brossat & Klingberg, Revolutionary Yiddishland, 225.)

Jewish Stalinist leader of Hungary Mátyás Rákosi
Jewish Stalinist leader of Hungary Mátyás Rákosi

Jews played central roles in building societies that “obeyed the strictest canons of Stalinism, and it was with an iron broom that the new administration consolidated its power against the ‘forces of the past,’” which involved “‘getting their hands dirty’ in this new phases of history, to bend to the Stalinist precept that you do not make an omelet without breaking a few eggs.”[C18]Ibid., 268.
(Brossat & Klingberg, Revolutionary Yiddishland, 225.)
The conspicuous role played by Jews in the brutal Sovietization of Hungary led to anti-Jewish riots in 1946. The oppressive nature of the new regime can be gauged by the fact that between 1952 and 1955 “the police opened files on over a million Hungarians, 45 percent of whom were penalized,” and “Jews were very salient in the apparatus of repression.”[C19]Ibid. 178-9.
(Brossat & Klingberg, Revolutionary Yiddishland, 225.)

Ultimately it was the very Stalinism these Jews so zealously implemented throughout the countries of the Warsaw Pact that served to “crush them, or at least some of them, a few years later, so that today they have the sense of a great swindle.”[C20]Ibid., 268.
(Brossat & Klingberg, Revolutionary Yiddishland, 225.)
Stalin’s abandonment of revolutionary internationalism alienated many Jewish operatives throughout Eastern Europe. The authors note how, in the context of this new stance where internationalism tended to be “reduced to the obligatory reverence towards the guardian power, Stalin’s USSR, Jewish militants very often felt out of place.”[C21]Ibid., 272.
(Brossat & Klingberg, Revolutionary Yiddishland, 225.)

Another reasons for the Jewish abandonment of the communist utopia was “the direct discovery at their own expense, not only that socialism did not put an end forever to anti-Semitism” but at times willingly used it, as in Poland in 1968, as a political tool. There an “unbridled campaign against ‘Zionists’ on Polish radio and television poisoned public life, with Jewish cadres being silently dismissed.” In 1968 restrictions on emigration were abolished and thousands of Jews left Poland. In Czechoslovakia, Hungary, and Romania, the trials and liquidations of the 1950s “also had an anti-Jewish connotation, sharper or less so as the case might be.”[C22]Ibid., 275.
(Brossat & Klingberg, Revolutionary Yiddishland, 225.)
Pierre Sherf related his experience in Romania:

I returned to Romania with my wife in December 1945. We were at the same time naïve and fanatical. We had a deep sense of coming home, finally leaving behind our condition of wandering Jew. I was appointed to a high position in the foreign ministry, but after the foundation of the state of Israel one of my brothers became a minister in the Israeli government, and I was suddenly removed and transferred to another ministry. When Ana Pauker was dismissed in 1952, I felt the net tighten around me. My superior in the hierarchy was arrested and a case against me was opened. As in Czechoslovakia, Hungary and the USSR, veterans of Spain were fingered as “spies.” …

I never hid the fact I was Jewish, and the Party needed us, as it needed cadres belonging to other national minorities living in Romania. But it was afraid the population would resent the large number of Jews in the party leadership. Like many others, I had therefore to “Romanize” my name. I now called myself Petre Sutchu instead of Pierre Sherf. During the trials of the 1950s, the specter of “Jewish nationalism” was brandished, as in other countries. The suspicion was scarcely belied by future events. Later a member of the political bureau was eliminated because his daughter had asked to immigrate to Israel. In Spain, in the Brigades, there was an artillery unit named after Ana Pauker, but when she was dismissed, it was given a different name in the official history museums.[C23]Ibid., 375-6.
(Brossat & Klingberg, Revolutionary Yiddishland, 225.)

Sherf later applied for an emigration visa and left for Israel. For Jewish communist functionaries like him “the European workers’ movement and socialism had failed to resolve the Jewish question in its national dimension — not just in Europe but in the whole world.” After this failure Jewish history seemed to “present itself as an eternal recurrence founded on the permanence of anti-Semitism.”[C24]Ibid., 277.
(Brossat & Klingberg, Revolutionary Yiddishland, 225.)
According to this conception, the differences between Jews and non-Jews “swells to the dimensions of an essential and irreducible alterity. As in the preachings of the rabbis, the non-Jewish world, the universe of the goyim, tends once more to become a perpetually threatening other and elsewhere.”[C25]Ibid., 285.
(Brossat & Klingberg, Revolutionary Yiddishland, 225.)
This sense of betrayal was the key to their subsequent disenchantment which would ultimately “lead the great majority of them far from communism.”[C26]Ibid., 268.
(Brossat & Klingberg, Revolutionary Yiddishland, 225.)

After 1948 many of the Yiddishland diaspora migrated to Israel, some reluctantly, some less so. Brossat and Klingberg note that their decision to interview only former Yiddishland revolutionaries living in Israel was arbitrary, and how the same task could have been undertaken in Paris or New York. The particular situation of their informants did, however, highlight one essential factor: “the gaping, radical break between the world that they lost and the arrogant new Sparta within whose walls they have chosen to live.”[C27]Ibid., 241.
(Brossat & Klingberg, Revolutionary Yiddishland, 225.)
These onetime militants for socialist internationalism, who had “waged a bitter struggle against every kind of nationalism” now pledged their allegiance to “the state of Israel, expression of triumphant Zionism” which “has carved on the pillars of the rebuilt Temple the principles of a Manichean view of the world, a system of thought founded on simple oppositions, a binary metaphysics: just as the world is divided in two, Jews and goyim.”[C28]Ibid.
(Brossat & Klingberg, Revolutionary Yiddishland, 225.)

Conclusion

Revolutionary Yiddishland is another example of that incredibly prolific literary genre: Jewish apologetic historiography. Despite this, the book is worthy of attention because, intended for a Jewish readership, its discussion of the roots and motivations of Jewish radicalism and militancy is unusually candid. It illuminates aspects of Jewish radicalism that are usually concealed from non-Jews, such as how the pursuit of Jewish ethnic interests was the primary motivating factor for Jewish participation in and support of communism in the first half of the twentieth century. When addressing non-Jewish audiences, Jews typically ascribe their disproportionate involvement in leftist politics to the impulse of tikkun olam — a desire to heal the world which naturally flows from the inherent benevolence of the Jewish people. Appeals to non-Jews to serve Jewish interests by fighting for universal “human rights” have been a consistent and incredibly successful feature of Judaism as a group evolutionary strategy in the modern era. Millions of White people (who are likely genetically predisposed to moral universalism) have been enlisted to fight for Jewish interests (and against their own ethnic interests) on the assumption they are upholding the “universal brotherhood of man.”

In the post-Cold War era, the Jewish revolutionary spirit chronicled and lionized in Revolutionary Yiddishland has been redirected into the Cultural Marxist assault on White people and their culture. As with the older generation of Jewish revolutionaries, the pursuit of Jewish ethnic interests remains the central motivation for this new revolution which revolves around the demographic and cultural transformation of European and European-derived societies. This motivation is fully evident in a review of the book by leftist Jewish activist Ben Lorber, who, placing the White heterosexual male enemy firmly in his sights, raved that “the Left faces a terrifying fascist threat unseen since the era of Yiddishland, with the rapid embrace of far-right politics engulfing Europe and culminating … with the startling seizure by Donald Trump of the most powerful political position in the world. As we combat mounting attacks on Muslim and Arab communities, black folks, immigrants, Jews, women, LGBTQ folks and more.”

Reflecting of the older generation of radical Jewish activists, Lorber insists “we have much to learn from the boundless optimism, the fearless advances and the terrifying retreats of those who struggled before.” Rather than decrying his radical Jewish forerunners as handmaidens and direct practitioners of oppression and genocide, Lorber fondly looks to them for inspiration, contending that “We need to draw hope from this previous generation of radicals who believed, against all odds, that a new sun was dawning in the sky of history. Revolutionary Yiddishland lets this generation speak, and helps us to listen.” Prey to the same ethnocentric infatuation with the “romance” of Jewish radical revolutionaries as the authors, Lorber “cannot help but look upon the passionate, almost messianic optimism of early-20th century radicals with a strange sense of dislocation and longing.”

Another Jewish reviewer extolled Revolutionary Yiddishland as “a marvelous bitter-sweet book” with the sweetness coming from “understanding the depth and vibrancy of the revolutionary socialist movement, from listening to the voice of the interviewees, and from the matter of factness of their everyday heroism and commitment.” The pro-Palestinian website Mondoweissdescribed the book as “a memorial to a missing world,” and claimed that “as an aesthetic composition, it is beautiful.” The Jewish Chronicle also praised the book but thought it was insufficiently apologetic and resented its “occasional anti-Zionist animus” (i.e., its very tepid criticisms of Israel) which “mars an otherwise absorbing account.”

The most telling (though entirely predictable) feature of the Jewish responses to Revolutionary Yiddishland was the absence of any reservations having been expressed over Brossat and Klingberg’s glorification of Jewish communist militants who enthusiastically founded and served regimes that destroyed millions of lives. This provides another reminder, if any were needed, that Jewish involvement with communism remains the most glaring example of Jewish moral particularism in all of history. It yet again underscores the fact that Jews have no problem setting aside moral consistency in pursuit of their group evolutionary interests.

Footnotes • 700 Words

[A1] Alain Brossat & Sylvie Klingberg, Revolutionary Yiddishland: A History of Jewish Radicalism (London; Verso, 2016), xii.

[A2] Ibid., 59.

[A3] Daniel Jonah Goldhagen, The Devil That Never Dies (New York NY; Little, Brown & Co., 2013), 291; 126.

[A4] Simon Sebag Montefiore, The Romanovs 1630-1918 (London: Weidenfeld & Nicholson, 2016), 50.

[A5] John Klier, Russians, Jews, and the Pogroms of 1881-2 (New York: Cambridge University Press, 2011), 5.

[A6] Robert Wistrich, From Ambivalence to Betrayal: the Left, the Jews and Israel (Lincoln: University of Nebraska Press, 2012), 186.

[A7] Brossat & Klingberg, Revolutionary Yiddishland, 85.

[A8] Ibid., ix.

[A9] Ibid., 56.

[A10] Kevin MacDonald, The Culture of Critique: An Evolutionary Analysis of Jewish Involvement in Twentieth‑Century Intellectual and Political Movements, (Westport, CT: Praeger, Revised Paperback edition, 2001), xl.

[A11] Norman Cantor, The Jewish Experience: An Illustrated History of Jewish Culture & Society (New York; Castle Press, 1996), 364.

[A12] Albert Boime, “Dada’s Dark Secret,” In: Washton-Long, Baigel & Heyd (Eds.) Jewish Dimensions in Modern Visual Culture: Anti-Semitism, Assimilation, Affirmation, (Waltham MA: Brandeis University Press, 2010), 96.

[A13] Robert Wistrich, Revolutionary Jews from Marx to Trotsky (London: George G. Harrap & Co Ltd, 1976), 178.

[A14] Joshua Rubenstein, Leon Trotsky: A Revolutionary’s Life (New Haven CT: Yale University Press, 2013), 67; 78; 52.

[A15] Ibid., 113.

[A16] Wistrich, Revolutionary Jews, 199.

[A17] Hiroaki Kuromiya, Russia’s People of Empire: Life Stories from Eurasia, 1500 to the Present (Bloomington: Indiana University Press, 2012), 276.

[A18] E. A. Rees, Iron Lazar: A Political Biography of Lazar Kaganovich (Anthem Press, 2013), 6.

[A19] Myroslav Shkandriij, Jews in Ukrainian Literature: Representation and Identity (Yale University Press, 2009), 137.

[A20] Lesa Melnyczuk, Silent Memories, Traumatic Lives (RHYW, 2013), 25.

[A21] Yuri Slezkine, The Jewish Century (Princeton NJ: Princeton University Press, 2006), 183.

[A22] Ibid., 183.

[A23] Ibid., 184.

[B1] Alain Brossat & Sylvie Klingberg, Revolutionary Yiddishland: A History of Jewish Radicalism (London; Verso, 2016), 29.

[B2] Ibid., 1.

[B3] Anne Applebaum, Red Famine: Stalin’s War on Ukraine (New York NY: Doubleday, 2017) 114.

[B4] Jerry Z. Muller, J.Z. (2010) Capitalism and the Jews (Princeton NJ: Princeton University Press, 2010), 161-62.

[B5] Chaim Bermant, Jews (London; Weidenfeld & Nicholson, 1977), 160.

[B6] Brossat & Klingberg, Revolutionary Yiddishland, 37.

[B7] Ibid., 56.

[B8] Ibid., 47.

[B9] Ibid.

[B10] Ibid.

[B11] Robert Service, Comrades! A History of World Communism (Cambridge MA: Harvard University Press, 2010) 123.

[B12] Howard M. Sachar, A History of the Jews in the Modern World (New York NY: Knopf, 2005) 151.

[B13] Brossat & Klingberg, Revolutionary Yiddishland, 46.

[B14] Terry Martin, The Affirmative Action Empire: Nations and Nationalism in the Soviet Union, 1923-1939 (Cornell University Press, 2001), 43.

[B15] Brossat & Klingberg, Revolutionary Yiddishland, 183.

[B16] Ibid., 192.

[B17] Ibid., 66.

[B18] Ibid., 67.

[B19] Ibid., 153.

[B20] Muller, Capitalism and the Jews, 156-57.

[B21] Ibid. p. 160

[B22] Brossat & Klingberg, Revolutionary Yiddishland, 189.

[B23] Ibid., 199.

[B24] Ibid., 194.

[B25] Ibid., 51.

[B26] Kevin MacDonald, The Culture of Critique: An Evolutionary Analysis of Jewish Involvement in Twentieth‑Century Intellectual and Political Movements, (Westport, CT: Praeger, Revised Paperback edition, 2001), 58.

[B27] Brossat & Klingberg, Revolutionary Yiddishland, 184.

[B28] Robert Wistrich, Revolutionary Jews from Marx to Trotsky (London: George G. Harrap & Co Ltd, 1976), 199.

[B29] Applebaum, Red Famine, 188.

[B30] Brossat & Klingberg, Revolutionary Yiddishland, 186.

[B31] Joshua Rubenstein, Leon Trotsky: A Revolutionary’s Life (New Haven CT: Yale University Press, 2013), 113-14.

[B32] Bermant, Jews, 139.

[B33] Ibid. 171-72.

[B34] Brossat & Klingberg, Revolutionary Yiddishland, 211.

[B35] Ibid., 61.

[B36] Ibid., 191.

[B37] Ibid., 72.

[B38] Ibid., 71.

[B39] Bernard Wasserstein, On the Eve: The Jews of Europe Before the Second World War (Profile Books, 2012), 64.

[B40] Brossat & Klingberg, Revolutionary Yiddishland, 62.

[B41] Ibid., 61.

[B42] Rubenstein, Leon Trotsky: A Revolutionary’s Life, 176.

[B43] MacDonald, Culture of Critique, xxxix.

[B44] Ibid., xl.

[C1] Alain Brossat & Sylvie Klingberg, Revolutionary Yiddishland: A History of Jewish Radicalism (London; Verso, 2016), 139-40.

[C2] Ibid., 141.

[C3] Ibid., 225.

[C4] Kevin MacDonald, The Culture of Critique: An Evolutionary Analysis of Jewish Involvement in Twentieth‑Century Intellectual and Political Movements, (Westport, CT: Praeger, Revised Paperback edition, 2001), xxxix.

[C5] Brossat & Klingberg, Revolutionary Yiddishland, 225.

[C6] Ibid., 230.

[C7] Ibid., 232.

[C8] Ibid., 234.

[C9] Ibid., 236.

[C10] Ibid., 264.

[C11] Ibid. 171.

[C12] Ibid., 267.

[C13] Ibid., 265.

[C14] Ibid., 267.

[C15] Ibid., 267-8.

[C16] Ibid., 173.

[C17] Ibid., 175.

[C18] Ibid., 268.

[C19] Ibid. 178-9.

[C20] Ibid., 268.

[C21] Ibid., 272.

[C22] Ibid., 275.

[C23] Ibid., 375-6.

[C24] Ibid., 277.

[C25] Ibid., 285.

[C26] Ibid., 268.

[C27] Ibid., 241.

[C28] Ibid.

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  1. Kirt says:

    Thanks for this very extensive review. I’ve downloaded a free sample of the book for my Nook and if I like it, I’ll buy it. It’s quite inexpensive.

  2. According to this conception, a Jew in 1917 “had two choices: revolution or exile.”

    I’m going to stop reading at this point its such a tired tale. This sophies choice is always the excuse, ”well yeah of course we subverted your culture, took over your banking, and fermented revolution whdya expect we should go live in or own country? you cant be serious why would we expel the effort to build defend and maintain our own nations when we can put those energies to work simply targeting the levers of power in your nations and dispense with the goy work.

    you would think after ww2 they might have rethought that strategy but its a compulsion, they start skimming the cream, then get paranoid theyll be noticed, then decide they better take measures to thwart any reaction, then whine how everyone picks on them.

    HEY JEWS IF YOU WEREN’T ALWAYS IN OTHER PEOPLES NATIONS NO ONE COULD ACCUSE YOU OF DOING THE SHIT YOU ACTUALLY DO WE ARE NOT STUPID WE DON’T IMAGINE YOU CAN TALK TALK TALK BUT NO ONES FOOLED. WARNING YOU’RE A HAIRS BREATH FROM ANOTHER HOLOCAUST DO YOU THINK NO ONE NOTICES WHOS BEHIND GLOBAL LEFTISM < YOU HAVEN'T EVEN SKIPPED A BEAT SINCE MARX

  3. Wally says:

    “in the Ukraine and elsewhere that “some historians call a dress rehearsal for the Holocaust.”

    Indeed, there have been many “dress rehearsals” for the fake ’6M Jews’, here are some.
    http://balder.org/judea/New-York-Times-Six-Million-Jews-Since-1869.php

    The ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ are laughable, scientifically impossible frauds. See the ‘holocaust’ scam debunked here:

    http://codoh.com

    No name calling, level playing field debate here:

    http://forum.codoh.com

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
  4. I now must assume that

    Martin Broszat, ´Der Staat Hitlers, Grundlegung und Entwicklung seiner inneren Verfassung’, 1969, Wiesbaden 2007

    Anatomie de SS-Staates Band 2, Martin Broszat: Nationalsozialistische Konzentrationslager 1933 – 1945, Hans – Adolf Jacobsen : Kommissarbefehl und Massenexekutionen sowjetischer Kriegsgefangener, Helmut Krausnick : Judenverfolgung, 1965, 1967, München

    were written by a jew.

    I had my doubts when reading the books, about objectivity, these doubts now are confirmed.
    The second mentioned book by Broszat is essence is a report used in Neurenberg on the German concentration camps.
    At the time, the Neurenberg trials were seen as jewish revenge.
    Those that conducted the trials, the chairman, and especially the interrogators, were jews, most of them had fled Germany in the thirties.

    The chairman of the USA High Court called these trials a ‘farce’.
    Bruce Allen Murphy, ‘The Brandeis/Frankfurter Connection, The Secret Political Activities of Two Supreme Court Justices’, New York, 1983
    He said to Frankfurter that Frankfurter did not go to Neurenberg as a judge, but as a jew.

    I again see how useful it is to speak languages
    Alexander Solschenizyn, ´Die russisch- jüdische Geschichte 1795- 1916, >> Zweihundert Jahre zusammen <<´, Moskau 2001, München 2002
    A, as far as I can judge, objective history of jews in Russia until 1916 indeed explains the pogroms from ruthless jewish behaviour.
    In 1860, from memory, Russian serfs were liberated.
    They got wages, but never had been taught how to handle money.
    When indebted to jews, who sold wodka, their houses and small pieces of land were sold.

    Then there is jew Samuel, first High Commissioner of the Mandate Palestine:
    The Rt. Hon. Viscount Samuel. P.C., G.C.B., G.B.E., Hon. D.C.L. (Oxford). Hon. Fellow of Balliol College, Oxford, ‘Memoirs’, London, 1945.

    HF XV, Palestine, A State in the Building: 1925-5.
    Pag 168.
    And as a Jew, I would have counted it a shame to the Jewish people if the renewal of their life in the ancient land of Israel would be marked by hardship, expropriation, injustice of any kind, for the people now in the land, whose forbears had tilled the soil and dwelt in the towns for a thousand years. Nothing could be worse than if it were to appear that the one thing the Jewish people had learnt from the centuries of their own oppression was the way to oppress others. ……

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    , @Walter
  5. @Colleen Pater

    Nonsense, of course.
    The British Secretary for India, a jew, was against the 1917 Balfour Declaration, he saw zionism as an insult to assimilated jews like himself.
    Until Israel was established in 1948 there were all over the world many anti zionist jewish organisations.
    But in 1948 they all dissolved themselves.

    • Replies: @Colleen Pater
  6. “Mikhail Bakunin concluded that Jews were “an exploiting sect, a blood-sucking people, a unique, devouring parasite tightly and intimately organized … cutting across all the differences in political opinion.”

    LOL An anarchist like Bakunin and a Fascist like Hitler agree on one thing.

  7. “The Soviet government killed at least 30 million people, most in the first 25 years of the regime’s existence during the height of Jewish power”

    And then they lost another 27 million to the greatest military around at that time the Wehrmacht and still won the war – ROFL did they train Horses to fight the Germans? The number is complete rubbish no body can lose 57 Million people and win a war unless they have a population of a billion.

    Now it gets interesting I am going to play the same game Holocaust deniers here play on the numbers – 30 million number – where is the proof that the govt was murdering 1,200,000 of its citizens every year for 25 years which is 37.5% more bodies per year than the Americans lost during the entire civil war or 3,287 murders per day for 25 years. Where are the mass graves? Forensic examination of the corpses? Documentation? And since I am both playing the game and asking a serious question – no eyewitness testimony is admissible, no survivor testimony, any evidence brought out during Kruschev’s denunciation of Stalin will be considered politically motivated and fake,

    Go ahead I am waiting for evidence for this fabulous Jewish inspired Holocaust of 30 million.

    Hehehe

  8. … since 1945, over 150 feature films have been made about “the Holocaust” while the number of films that have been made about the genocide of millions of Eastern Europeans can be counted on one hand — and none have been produced by Hollywood.

    None produced by (((Hollywood)))? Can’t imagine why!

  9. Ace says:

    ** For Gorin, the revolution, while offering “Russia’s Jews many opportunities, equal rights and education and a chance to fill the vacuum left by the elite that was forced into exile **

    Or murdered.

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
  10. Although the author has made a few very good points (media exploitation of shoah; Jewish ethnic animus toward Czarist regime; ..)- his main thesis, crafted along Kevin MacDonald’s ideas is- wrong.

    Jews had been numerically over-represented in the CP USSR (and its earlier variants). They’ve comprised ca. 5% of all card-carrying Bolsheviks & close to 50% of the Politburo during Lenin’s times (never reached 50%+). They- Russian & Ukrainian Jews (except in the BUND)- never advocated separate Jewish interests, and, what is more important, they did not perceive themselves as Jews in a national sense- except in cases when they fiercely attacked Zionism as a “grave ideological error”. Many of them were actually Russian national loyalists, which was evident from their behavior in the Brest-Litovsk treaty crisis, when Lenin had had virtually all the Bolshevik party & Politburo against himself, this time based purely on “national pride” agenda (“we won’t give our land to Germans”.)

    As for influence, to put it shortly: it was Lenin, an ethnic Russian with marginal Jewish ancestry (a converted mother’s father Moishko Blank, himself an anti-Semite) he wasn’t aware of until he was 35, and later didn’t care about, who has created & lead the successful global socio-political transformation called Communism. Lenin designed & built Bolshevik party as a highly militarized, disciplined & ideologically dogmatic sect, a universal machine for transformation of all resentments (social, national, religious, personal, ethnic, “racial”, cultural, economic,..) into a “laser beam” of focused, almost inevitably violent determination for possession of total power and creation of a new, Communist utopia.

    Both ideas and actions in the crucial periods from 1903. to 1922. were his, frequently opposed by more cautious Russian & ethnically non-Russian Bolshevik leadership. The most prominent Bolshevik rulers during the revolution and civil war, of Jewish origin, had been: Zinoviev, Kamenev, Sverdlov and Trotsky. Sverdlov was perhaps the most influential among Bolshevik Jews in the earliest stage, but he died (or was killed) too soon. He himself never developed any idea, nor had been the central figure in any significant event- except the execution of Russian royal family. Trotsky, who had been a Menshevik but switched his loyalties to Lenin, played the pivotal role in organization of the Red Army, but his vanity & verbal excesses have alienated him from many other top Bolsheviks who feared his influence: so “Jewish” Zinoviev and Kamenev formed an alliance with the Georgian Stalin (and his lapdogs) to isolate & destroy Trotsky. They succeeded, but were later destroyed in the power struggles with other Stalin’s allies (this time ethnic Russian Bukharin and others). At the end, the entire “old guard”, except Stalin, had been killed, one way or another. So much for “Jewish solidarity”.

    What Kevin Macdonald can’t (or won’t) see is that pure stats don’t mean much. One person, Lenin, totally dominated the party & the Revolution (the foundation of the Bolshevik ideology, the central strategy and tactics in post-February days, the planning and execution of the October coup d’etat, formation of the Cheka, the decision to switch to War Communism, the tactical withdrawal in the humiliating Brest-Litovsk treaty, crucial political/economic “retreat” embodied in the New Economic policy, …). On many occasions Bolsheviks of Jewish extraction had tried- unsuccessfully- to counter Lenin’s unique combination of radicalism & pragmatism, but inevitably failed: they’ve been frequently too radical, but not realistic enough; in other instances like the October coup, they were mostly too cautious and afraid to move (so was Stalin). In all critical moments Lenin virtually raped the party- and won.

    Somewhere around 1920-1921, Stalin became the man of Lenin’s primary confidence. He was the only person who could see him without prior notice (Kamenev, Zinoviev, Trotsky, ..and other Jewish Bolsheviks couldn’t). After 1922. (Lenin died in 1924., completely incapacitated), Stalin was, effectively, the most influential Communist ruler & all other influential political figures, whether Jewish, ethnic Russian, Caucasian, Polish, Baltic, Ukrainian, …could not overthrow him, nor impose their ideas and practices. Eventually, Stalin got rid off all leaders of revolution and mercifully “spared” only figures of secondary importance whose chief characteristics had been blind loyalty to him.

    To summarize: over-representation of Soviet Jews in the early stages of the Communist revolution (Sverdlov, Trotsky, Zinoviev, Uritsky, Ioffe ..or their enemies like Martov, Gershuny, Blumkin (he has later “converted”, but was executed as a Trotskyst during the Purges), Dora Kaplan …) or in Stalin’s Soviet Union (Kaganovich, Yagoda, Litvinov, Neftali Frenkel, ..) is an interesting phenomenon, but proves- nothing. The very formation of a new type of society was, essentially, the result of Lenin’s genius; consolidation of the new “theocratic” empire was in the hands of one man, Stalin. All Communist Jews, from top to bottom, were mostly executors and followers, not shapers of history along the ideas & practices they themselves had created. And I won’t address the issue of Soviet Jewish victims (Mandel’shtam, Mikhoels, Babel’, …). So, Kevin MacDonald is partially right, but his thesis about some imaginary Jewish survival strategy & brilliant success and “high life” in the Soviet Union they had- according to MacDonald – made for themselves is simply- wrong.

  11. Jake says:

    The primary intellectual and moral background of Neocon Jews is Marxism, most specifically Trotskyism.

    And it wedded easily, naturally, almost perfectly, to WASP globalist imperialism, which at least tripled its power globally.

    Oliver Cromwell could have predicted it, and he would have approved wholeheartedily.

    You cannot solve the ‘Jewish problem’ without also solving the ‘WASP problem.’

    • Troll: renfro
  12. Go ahead I am waiting for evidence for this fabulous Jewish inspired Holocaust of 30 million.

    Hehehe

    In the unlikely event that you’re doing something other than trolling, you may start with this.:

    -Douglas Reed, Insanity Fair, (1938),

    http://www.controversyofzion.info/Controversybook/Douglas_Reed_Books_pdf/Insanity%20Fair.pdf

    The whinging “victims” would do well to grow up; they are among the few who hate others and want to separate themselves for no reason. “Anti-Semitism” doesn’t arise from a vacuum.

    Here’s another source of insight.:

    The German-Israelite Community League (Gemeindebund) was an “Anti-Defamation League” type group instituted to defend Jews against “anti-Semitism” whether real or imaginary, and they felt compelled to admonish Jews against insolent behavior.

    “In addition, the Gemeindebund periodically addressed itself to the Jewish community . The tenor of this address to the Jews was largely determined by the widely shared conviction that the tactless and insolent behavior of many Jews precipitated much of the current anti-Semitic furor.

    Ludwig Jocabowski’s 1891 novel, Werther, der Jude…is the story of a young assimilated Jewish student…who cringes at the financial operations of his father, a small town banker, and his Eastern European cousin…With angry shame he berates the character defects and unscrupulous practices of his uncultured family. Anti-Semitism is indeed based on fact and can be overcome by drastic ethical reformation of the entire Jewish community. [It doesn’t happen].

    …in December 1880, the Gemeindebund sent out a document titled “An Address of the Board to Co-religionists in Germany” on the subject of how a Jew is to handle himself…the German Jew is advised as to the proper behavior…He must avoid every display of arrogance, superiority, aggressiveness and ostentation…All business is to be conducted honestly and conscientiously, regardless of the customer’s religion….The religious practices of non-Jews are never to become the object of jest or sarcasm…

    -Ismar Schorsch, Jewish Reactions to German Anti-Semitism, 1870-1914, pp.47-8. (1972)

    It appears that there is a small but significant portion of “Jewry” that feels itself entitled to engaging in sharp practices and other antisocial behavior (p 108) and it is known by honest Jews that their behavior reflects badly on them. Every honest person can admit it; too bad they haven’t been able to do much about it.

    Anti-Goyism is real. Deal with that, and you’d no doubt cure most the bulk of “anti-Semitism” as well.

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
  13. We have the secular Jews to thank for Communism to be sure, but they gave the world another gift in the 20th Century: nuclear weapons. Without secular Jewish scientists from the Soviet Union and the United States we would not have had nuclear weapons, possibly ever, but certainly not in time to destroy Japanese cities. Almost all of the important scientists on both sides were Jewish atheists. Already in the 21st century we have a feminist movement that would not have happened if they did not control the press and Hollywood, and ultimately this could be as destructive to the social fabric as Communism and atomic weapons.

    The whole point behind keeping women in the home is to divide your economy in two. By keeping half of the work force attending to family matters, keeping gardens, and putting food away for the winter, you take half of the energy of your people out of the trade-based, usury driven economy. The main thing that ancient religious leaders knew that escapes the neo-Vikings, who are very new to literacy, is that all empires and economies crash. Eventually crash is inevitable, and usually sooner rather than later. When the crash comes those societies that have strong families, home gardens, and a non-urban population are more likely to survive intact. Urban populations die in horrific numbers when the end of an era comes, and single mothers haven’t a prayer.

    • Agree: Wade
    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  14. @Colleen Pater

    …but its a compulsion, they start skimming the cream, then get paranoid theyll be noticed, then decide they better take measures to thwart any reaction, then whine how everyone picks on them.

    I, and others have arrived at similar conclusions as well. Pretty obvious stuff, but apparently playing the victim card has worked well for them.

    The extent of the infiltrating and undermining of the US political system especially during the FDR years is astonishing. Even the Dies committee, which was instituted to investigate foreign influence in the US government, was perverted to focus primarily on the virtually non existent Nazi behavior while the pervasive Red (we know what that means) behavior, influence and control were virtually ignored.

    Practice indeed seems to have made perfect, and centuries of controlling behavior has been all but totally perfected.

  15. @Jake

    You cannot solve the ‘Jewish problem’ without also solving the ‘WASP problem.’

    You likely have a point there, but endless undocumented repetition won’t convince, or even interest, many here. IOW, even though repetition is one of the mothers of learning, ya hafta get ‘em interested first. When people are interested, it’s pretty amazing what and how fast they can learn. Without interest, fugeddaboutdit.

    On the other hand, I for one, would be most interested in some valid supporting documentation of your claim.

    • Replies: @Jake
  16. One example of how the Zionists destroyed a Christian nation was the Zionist Bolsheviks destroying Russia and killing some 60 million Russians over a period from 1917 to the death of stalin and now the Zionist neocons are doing the same thing to America.

    If anyone doubts the control over America that the Zionists have , just remember that Israel and its Zionists in the American deep state did the attack on 911 and got away with it, that is control in spades.

    Read THE PROTOCOLS OF ZION and THE COMMUNIST MANIFESTO and see how the zionists have taken over America.

    All the wars that America has been in since WWI have been wars for zionist bankers right on through the MIDEAST.

    • Agree: jacques sheete, Druid
    • Replies: @Jake
  17. Jake says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    People who blame Jews for almost all of Marxism’s horrors are nuts, at best. But your case is rather close to that one.

    I’ve never read Culture of Critique, but the fury of the allied Left/Neocons first to bury the book with no acknowledgment of its existence and then the fury to discredit it as unworthy of being read suggest that it might be a very important work.

  18. phil says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    See Yuri Slezkine, “The Jewish Century”. There are more than 100 pages related to the Russian Revolution and its aftermath, based on Soviet sources & archives. Jews experienced relative prosperity and status by embracing communism and working their way up the hierarchy. They communicated their enthusiasm to their co-ethnics in New York and elsewhere. Later, Stalin and some of the other Party leaders became more anti-semitic.

  19. @Jake

    If you want to know whose guilty at the core of a thing, look for those you cannot criticize. The more punitive the force of reprisal for heresy, the more guilty that party is.

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    , @Anonymous
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  20. People who blame Jews for almost all of Marxism’s horrors are nuts, at best.

    The same can be accurately stated about the supposed crimes and horrors of Germans. And come to think of it, the hyperbolic drama queens who wail on about “anti-Semitism” have more than a few faults of their own as well. “Nuts” is the least of them.

  21. Jake says:
    @jacques sheete

    Most ‘here’ are not interested because they are products of WASP culture who cannot imagine it being central to the problems. In that they are like the child of the alcoholic wife and child beater whose every instinct is to excuse and defend daddy, not just because he is daddy, but because of childish faith that daddy is THE solution and therefore cannot be the problem.

    Many ‘here’ know that pro-Zionist Evangelicalism is a major issue, one so large it is nearly impossible to overemphasize. Many ‘here’ know that Oliver Cromwell allied with Jews, taking their money and allowing them to live legally in England once again, centuries after the Normans had banned Jews.

    You either start to put two and two together in order to see the line of descent, or you do not.

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    , @Wade
    , @Qqqqq
  22. AaronB says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    I don’t think you really understand the argument here. You’re being blinded by “formal structures”. Yes, Jews didn’t formally articulate and follow a plan of ethnic self interest.

    The whole point is that Jewish collectice behavior spontaneously follows a particularly destructive pattern, that this pattern is so widely and often observed in so many different settings, that it must constitute a system of some kind, that can be analyzed.

    A system can be spontaneous or designed – think Hayek’s spontaneously self-organizing market.

    From a few initial conditions a complex system is generated, well beyond the control or foresight of anyone, yet creating certain clearly describable patterns.

    In the Jewish case a few initial starting conditions leads to a spontaneously self-organizing system – these conditions are, the doctrine of the Chosen, the strong belief in racial specialness, a sense of divine mission, a belief that divine favor is shown through domination of others and wealth, and a sense of victimhood and persecution that cannot honestly be understood without the whole system crumbling.

    These attitudes are culturally transmitted and their reach extends outside formal religion – anyone who identifies as a cultural Jew even loosely is to that extent tinged by these ideas. In fact, the choice to see oneself as Jewish rather than simply human implies some level of allegiance to these ideas.

    This complex of ideas generates intense psychological pressures and allegiances and mobilizes some of the most primitive energies of the human psyche – safety, danger, clan, tribe, blood, status, power, domination – and leads to a clear pattern of behavior that is decentralized and not under anyone’s control but is still a very clear system that can be analyzed and identified.

    You’re being blinded by your typically Western need for formal structures, declarations of intent – i.e, for things to be obvious and clear, aboveboard and in your face, mathematical and logical.

    Now, that this pattern of behavior exists I don’t think can be denied by any honest and objective observer – legitimate disagreements can center on the deep causes of this behavior.

    Is it genes? Is it culture? Psychology?

    Is it a system that traumatizes children at a young age and captures their minds at its most primitive level and imprints it with a specific pattern, and thus is self generating with an independent momentum that is outside anyone’s control at this point and no one is responsible?

    Sort of like a Mind Parasite, a destructive pattern that has gained a life of its own, however it began?

    Is it, as Mcdonald thinks, a brilliant generic strategy that confers incredible benefits? Or is it a source of tremendous suffering and anxiety that far outweighs it’s material advantages?

    Is it a terrible genetic strategy that continually results in calamity and fall from power and would generic survival be far better served by assimilation on the individual level, in which case it could only be seen as a kind of Mind Parasite that seeks perpetuation at genetic cost?

    If physical genes cannot possibly care about survival of group identity, as identity is an abstract concept and physical genes can survive easily through assimilation (they don’t disappear, only abstract identity does), can we see it as a cultural meme that wishes to survive even at great genetic cost, a concept that sounds weird and impossible to our materialistic way of thinking?

  23. @Jake

    Now- it is perhaps a sign of laziness to re-post one’s own comments. But, what can I say, I’m lazy…

    MacDonald has shed light on some interesting topics like history of Marranos or early Greek anti-Judaism, but he’s wrong or tendentious on many topics. For instance:

    a) he pictures them as eternally warring against Europeans, race/identity-wise. In fact, nothing like that ever existed: Greek anti-Judaism is a combination of antipathy toward Asian religious tribalists who want to remain separate, like many Algerians in contemporary France (hence perception of Hebrew misanthropy) & normal economic competition (not for some imaginary resources, this is MacDonald’s ludicrous invention); Roman wars against them in 1st & 2nd C AD have nothing “antisemitic” in them (bloody national uprising against the empire has to be crushed); Christian anti-Judaism is a completely different matter, since Christianity is a rejuvenated Zoroastrianism with a smattering of properly Hebrew practices & Greek ideologies- odium theologicum, present in Christian anti-Jewish polemic, is basically import from the East, because core West had never been characterized by religious fanaticism in that sense or intensity; social-Darwinian anti-Semitism is, on the other hand, a new, 19th C nationalist blood-and-soil ideology.

    And for MacDonald, it is, more or less, the same. This is a complete lack of historical perspective.

    Then, he is tendentious. MacDonald presents Spanish conversos/Marranos from 15th and 16th C as ethnically-racially homogeneous group. A part of them must have stayed that way- it is perfectly natural that forcibly converted people (who had already possessed their written culture & rituals) will adopt chameleon-like behavior. So did Moriscos, forcibly converted Muslim Arabs. In fact, they had to be ethnically cleansed, all of them. So, it’s not about specific Jewish traits; it is about religious violence & natural resistance of people who had found themselves on the receiving end of pressure for religious conformity. MacDonald implies that many, perhaps most Marranos succeeded in surviving Inquisition in next 2-3 centuries. So, after all, a minority, but not most Marranos have succeeded to retain their identity & emigrate later to the Netherlands or Ottoman empire.

    Conspicuously, MacDonald has glossed over the fact that most Jewish Germans in the 19th C had been assimilated with high percentage of intermarriage. Marranos in 16th C did-at least a part of them-tried to retain their separate identity. Not so in early 19th C Germany, where many Jews had voluntarily been baptized & completely assimilated into German society-no Jewish separatism & tribal behavior. No “Jewish Christian” secret societies, clannish behavior, endogamous marriages…
    Mendelssohn family simply disappeared among other Germans.

    How so if they’re eternally alien ethnic group? Where I can see that famous survival strategy? This “strategy”, it seems, leads only to obliteration of a separate national identity.

    And to write on MacDonald’s omissions & simply misconceptions (Communism, national question, Freud, Frankfurt school…) would take us too far.

    Kevin MacDonald is historically, culturally & philosophically illiterate re Marxism, Freudian psychoanalysis & Frankfurt school (I don’t know much about Boasian anthropology, so I’ll refrain from comment). Also, he doesn’t know much about Communist movement, ideologies, national identities in Europe etc.

    His main strength comes from ineffective hysterical reactions of Jewish ethno-nationalists in the US; they are caught in the web of their martyrological mythological projections & are as one-dimensional/shallow in their criticism of his obvious weaknesses as is he in his myths about “group evolutionary strategy” & other simplistic generalizations.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  24. @jacques sheete

    Schorsch indeed is a most enlightening book on how after 1870 antisemitism emerged in the unified Germany, that had great economic progress, of which jews, as bankers, profited.
    An old proverb is ‘nobody can plead his own case’.

    I also can recommend
    Fritz Stern, ‘Gold and Iron, Bismarck, Bleichröder, and the Building of the German Empire’, New York, 1977.
    Bleichröder gave very expensive parties, where the upper ten of Germany did appear, but afterwards ridiculed the Bleichröder couple.
    Then there is:
    ‘From prejudice to destruction, Anti-Semitism 1700-1933’, Jacob Katz, 1980, Cambridge MA

    Katz is/was professor of Jewish Educational and Social History, Emeritus, at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem

    Below is the end of the chapter, on the emergence of anti-Semitism, in Germany, around 1870.
    Scholars distinguish between anti Judaism, before Jews in most West European countries were granted equal rights, around 1800, and anti-Semitism, what began around 1870.

    Page 258, chapter ‘The incubation’.
    ‘The decisive factor in the anti-Semitic eruption was the failure to fulfil the condition upon which the eradication of Gentile suspicions of Jews had been predicated, namely, the disappearance of the tightly knit Jewish community. Far from disappearing, this community only assumed a new metamorphosis, not all aspects of which were regarded favourably by the Gentiles. Though Jews now were active inside German society, in economic life, culture, and politics, they nevertheless remained conspicuous as a group. Their pursuits, never centrally planned or directed, were determined by historical and sociological factors…….
    And despite their integration, they stood out as a closely knit group’.

    Page 259
    ‘What remained unimpaired was Jewish inbreeding, the maintaining of exclusively Jewish family ties. This, and the residues of that religious nonconformity, comparative economic co-operation, and social isolation, and some cultural peculiarity gave the Jewish group a special physiognomy. If the group was different from what it had been a century before, it certainly had not assumed the characteristics expected by those who propounded the idea of fusion with Christian society.

    Thus, instead of completely disappearing as expected, the Jewish community merely underwent a transformation. And the old stereotypes were now revived. The wait-and-see attitude of the Gentile population, which involved the concealment and suppression of anti-Jewish sentiment, turned into overt resentment. This was the point at which anti-Semitism boiled over’.

    End of chapter.

    Jews, in my opinion, are not very clever socially.
    Soros, for example, thinks he can more or less rule Hungary with the help of Juncker, Tusk, and Timmermans.
    Same now in the USA, where more and more people are tired of continual war, more and more blaming USA jewry.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  25. Jake says:
    @DESERT FOX

    Your numbers of the dead/disappeared in the USSR are high. More important, roughly half the dead in that period were during WW2, which means that the truly murderously anti-Semitic Nazis, who labeled Slavs untermenschen just as they did Jews, were the primary cause of millions of the dead in the USSR. Plus, the USSR dead were not all Russian either by ethnicity or first language.

    Here is some needed complexity: Nazis were adept at persuading Ukrainians, Latvians, Lithuanians, Estonians, Crimean Tatars, Moslems, and descendants of Germans who’d emigrated into the Russian Empire to serve as paramilitaries whose aim was to ‘remove’ ethnic/linguistic Russians.

    I would not be surprised even the tiniest bit if we were to learn that the Mossad knew about coming airplane attacks on the Twin Towers. But I say the same about the CIA and the British SIS/MI6.

    All the wars the US has chosen since WW1 are the result of our decision to enter that war, which we did primarily to try to save the British Empire. In choosing internationalist, largely Jewish-operated banking, the US followed the UK/British Empire pattern that went back to Oliver Cromwell himself.

    • Agree: polskijoe
  26. Wally says: • Website
    @Grahamsno(G64)

    That’s just silly and highly uninformed. Some points:
    - Nothing about the murders by communists are scientifically impossible like the ‘holocaust’ claims’ of ridiculous ‘gas chambers’.
    - It’s Jews themselves who claim there are enormous ‘holocaust’ mass graves and that they know the exact locations, but we do not see them and the alleged contents. As opposed to the communist mass murderes at Katyn, excavated by the Germans with international observers. see: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=758
    - There are no anti free speech laws that imprison people for questioning the very real communist murders.
    - The alleged ‘holocaust exterminations’ are claimed to have been in very centralized, supposedly known sites. Recall the claim of 900,000 Jews buried at Treblinka, 1,250,000 claimed at Auschwitz, or 250,000 claimed at Sobibor, 34,000 claimed at Babi Yar, etc.
    - Communist murders, I make no claim of an exact number, were generally done in scattered sites of which would be difficult to trace. There are no huge numbers claimed per site like the laughable ‘holocaust’ claims.
    - However, there are numerous finds like at Kurapaty, Mednoe, Vinnitsa, to name just a few. Also see: More mass murders by Soviets: yet another mass grave found
    http://ukrainianweek.com/Investigation/32076 see:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1160708/300-victims-Yugoslavias-communist-regime-mass-grave.html and: Croatia: Government attempting to belittle WWII Communist Crimes

    https://inavukic.com/tag/mass-graves/

    I repeat:

    We’re talking about an alleged ’6M Jews & 5M others’ … 11,000,000.
    There is not a single verifiable excavated enormous mass grave with contents actually SHOWN, not just claimed, (recall the claim of 900,000 buried at Treblinka, 1,250,000 at Auschwitz, or 250,000 at Sobibor, 34,000 at Babi Yar) even though Jews claim they still exist and claim to know exactly where these alleged enormous mass graves are.

    The ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ are scientifically impossible frauds. see the ‘holocaust’ scam debunked here: http://codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here: http://forum.codoh.com

    • Agree: Beefcake the Mighty, L.K
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    , @Anon
  27. @AaronB

    ” sense of victimhood and persecution ”
    Not just a sense, from the Roman wars in Palestine in the first century until the 19th century jews were persecuted, and/or discriminated.
    Michael Grant, ‘The Jews in the Roman World’, 1973, New York
    And rulers did organise pogroms, dead jew could not collect the money the ruler owed them.

    J.S Bromley, ed., The new Cambridge modern history, volume VI, The rise of Great Britain and Russia, 1688 – 1715/25’, 1970 Cambridge
    criticises an Austrian jew, living in Vienna, where he could not own a house, for lending money at an interest of fifty percent per year to the Habsburgs.
    As the Habsburgs were notorious for not paying his debts, and the possibility of pogroms, I wonder is fifty percent was exorbitant.

    Johannes Öhquist, ´Das Reich des Führers, Ursprung und Kampf, Weltanschauung and Aufbau des Nationalsozialismus, geschildert von einem Ausländer’, Bonn 1941
    The last book is the only antisemitic book I have.
    It, in my opinion, is one sided.
    But it describes how jews how jews were (mis)used, as tax collectors, in England, and then expelled, if I remember correctly, in the 11th century.
    Many perished.

    For me it is understandable that they sought protection in jewish communities, with money as their usual weapon, to bring rulers to other ideas.
    However, when in the 19th century they, in western countries, got equal rights, there was insufficient assimilation and/or integration.
    Rabbis prevented this, as they disapproved of migration, they did not want to lose their power.

    Klaus Hödl, ‘Als Bettler in die Leopoldstadt, Galizische Juden auf dem Weg nach Wien’, Wien, 1994
    The book describes how jews in Galicia,at the end of the 19th century, lost their livelihoods,a a result of railways.
    They went to Vienna, where the assimilated jews at once became antisemitic, seeing their strange looking brethren.

    Many jews, after migration to the USA, concealed being jews, such as the parents of the great USA scholar Richard Feynman.
    Just late in life Feynman found out about his jewish ancestors, then decided that he never wanted to have anything to do with any religion.
    Jagdish Mehra, ‘The Beat of a Different Drum, The Life and Science of Richard Feynman’, Oxford 1994

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  28. @AaronB

    Thank you for the informative comment.
    I believe that you would like the excellent book by Yuval Harari , “Sapiens”:
    Blind Clio p. 242 :
    “… Ever more scholars see cultures as a kind of mental infection or parasite, with humans as its unwitting host. Organic parasites, such as viruses, live inside the body of their host. They multiply and spread from one host to the other, feeding off their hosts, weakening them, and sometimes killing them. As long as the hosts live long enough to pass along the parasite, it cares little about the condition of its host. In just this fashion, cultural ideas live inside the minds of humans. They multiply and spread from one host to another, occasionally weakening the host and sometimes even killing them. … – can compel a human to dedicate his or her life to spreading that idea, even at the price of death. The human dies, but the idea spreads. …. … Successful cultures are those that excel in reproducing their memes, irrespective of the costs and benefits to their human hosts. … Similar arguments are common in the social sciences, under the aegis of game theory. Game theory explains how in multi-player systems, views and behaviour patterns that harm all players nevertheless manage to take root and spread. …”

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  29. @Jake

    ” Here is some needed complexity: Nazis were adept at persuading Ukrainians, Latvians, Lithuanians, Estonians, Crimean Tatars, Moslems, and descendants of Germans who’d emigrated into the Russian Empire to serve as paramilitaries whose aim was to ‘remove’ ethnic/linguistic Russians. ”

    As far as I know removing jews, and they needed little persuasion.
    See for example
    Jan T. Gross, ‘Neighbours, The Destruction of the Jewish Community in Jedwabne, Poland, 1941’, 2003, London
    and
    Bogdan Musial, ´Sowjetische Partisanen 1941 – 1944, Mythos und Wirklichkeit’, Paderborn 2009
    Jews were hardly welcome in the anti German guerilla war.

  30. @Jake

    Mossad is the prime Lockerby suspect.
    A Mossad agent bought the second hand clothes for the suitcase with the bomb in Cyprus.
    After a short time a Scottish commission concluded that the convicted Lybian was innocent.

  31. My numbers are from Alexander Solzhenitsyns book THE GULAG ARCIPELAGO and Robert Conquests book HARVEST OF SORROW, can be had on amazon.com and DO NOT COUNT THE WWII war dead.

    The wars that we were forced into were Zionist perpetrated wars for the Zionist NEW WORLD ORDER , and that is every war , starting with WWI and on down through the wars in the Mideast.

    All wars are zionist banker wars.

  32. @Wally

    When do you stop copying here all these front pages, especially since I do not know how to read them.

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  33. Brossat = just another lying Jew.

  34. AaronB says:

    The Enlightenment made gentiles vulnerable to Jews. It is the original Culture of Critique.

    The Enlightenment was the stripping away of all mythical and non-rational elements from social and imaginative life, leaving gentiles without any anchor.

    If you lack an anchor you are vulnerable. An anchor is a set of ideas that you never analyze our question.

    Jews have a set of ideas they do not question. From this position of strength, they attack others identities.

    If you attack their identity, it will have no effect. It is beyond question.

    Europeans have decided to to make everything open to question. That is why Jews can so easily create self-doubt in post Enlightenment Europeans.

    Jews know, and argue in order to convince. Europeans doubt, and argue in order to discover the truth. There is no contest.

    Jewish culture prizes self admiration. European culture admires self criticism. A European who honestly criticizes his conclusions, his identity, his culture, is considered strong, and admired. Jews vie with each other in praising aspects of Jewish life and culture.

    The history of Europe and it’s Jews shows that Enlightenment ideals are no match for non rational myths. The abstract is no match for the concrete. Criticism is no match for self-certainty. And self undermining is no match for self praise.

    Whence did this European culture of self-undermining spring? Such a bizarre thing! The Scientific Revolution, then the Enlightenment. After that, European vulnerability was a foregone conclusion.

    The real question is, can it be overcome?

    I now contradict everything I just said. The Enlightenment was not really about doubt and self questioning. It was, in fact, a new set of dogmas. These dogmas were just as unquestioned as anything that came before. Modernity is not a break with tradition. It has the same structure, just different content. It is a heresy within tradition.

    The new dogma, which you could not question, was materialism, and the primacy of numbers. It is why certain writers on this site who believe in IQ will claim that it explains Jewish influence, even when the numbers don’t match. The dogma says numbers explain everything, and when they do not, this cannot be admitted. The religion cannot be questioned.

    So, Europeans do have an anchor, just like Jews. Materialism, and numbers. Jews have flesh and blood, tribe, clan, myths about divine mission, myths about specialness.

    The European dogma created cars and airplanes, trains and engines. The Jewish dogma gave them social power over the creators of cars and airplanes, railways and engines.

    For Europeans to regain power, will they give up the dogmas that have them cars and airplanes? Will they make that sacrifice?I

    Signs are, so far, conflicting.

    • Replies: @Jake
    , @nickels
  35. AaronB says:
    @Dissident X

    Thanks. Yes, that’s a great comment , and a very useful way of looking at it.

    I don’t entirely agree with Hariris abstract way of looking at things, which I believe hides its own dogmas and assumptions (see my other comment on the Enlightenment), but he does offer intriguing perspectives and is worth reading.

    • Replies: @jpb
  36. Wally says:
    @jilles dykstra

    Jilles:

    They are a good, on topic fit for the claim made of ‘holocaust rehearsals’.

    Click on the link below them for larger, easier to read views. That’s why it’s there.

    Here it is again:

    http://balder.org/judea/New-York-Times-Six-Million-Jews-Since-1869.php

    http://www.codoh.com

  37. Wally says:
    @Wyatt Pendleton

    Here you go:

    “To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.”

    “at all times, Jews have disfigured the truth with absurd fables” (“de tout temps les Juifs ont défiguré la vérité par des fables absurdes”)

    - Voltaire

    http://www.codoh.com

  38. Wally says:
    @Jake

    IOW, you cannot support your position by answering Jacques’ challenge, which was:

    “On the other hand, I for one, would be most interested in some valid supporting documentation of your claim.”

  39. @AaronB

    The whole point is that Jewish collectice behavior spontaneously follows a particularly destructive pattern, that this pattern is so widely and often observed in so many different settings, that it must constitute a system of some kind, that can be analyzed.

    Sorry, but this is a typical anti-Semitic bull. When I think of it, this is a completely wrong system of thought that dehumanizes any collective & ascribes to it exclusively negative traits, something which is unsupportable by any empirical evidence.

    In sum, they (Jews, Muslims, blacks, WASPs, whites, Europeans, Chinese, gays, Hispanics, evangelicals, ..) are the root of all evil. This is something not worth discussing.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  40. jpb says:
    @AaronB

    You probably know Dr. E. Michael Jone’s traditional Catholic view of Hariris’s “Sapiens”, if not, he addresses many of the issues you point out in your comments. Thanks!

  41. AaronB says:
    @jilles dykstra

    Of course, persecution was real, but it was caused mainly by Jewish behavior and position.

    For instance, Jews didn’t have to become money lenders and tax farmers. It should have been clear that this was a cause of tremendous strife and was unethical.

    Jews could have lived simple inconspicuous lives of piety – however, the religion is basically about domination and wealth, so this was impossible.

    It’s not just about a 19th century unwillingness to assimilate, or at least, that was a natural outgrowth of old attitudes .

    Jews never underwent that levelling and humanistic revolution which would have made them dispense with the specialness doctrine which is the source of all the trouble .

    Absent this, there was no chance Jews could assimilate. European practices a form of magical thinking just as they do today.

  42. AaronB says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    That’s absurd. You’re not offering any rational objections, but just trying to stigmatize conclusions you don’t like and make off limits an entire line of inquiry that doesn’t suit you.

    Which is totally fine as a tribal identity ritual. But let’s just be clear what you’re doing.

    As for dehumanizing a collective, not at all. Are you seriously suggesting human collectives – nations, groups, – don’t display certain behavioral patterns at certain times?

    It’s not at all dehumanizing to notice that negative behavioral patterns have come to dominate a particular group. It is out of deep concern for their humanity that we must notice this and seek to change it.

    Not is it exclusively ascribing negative traits to a group – what an irrational thing to say.

    You seem to have a deep non rational aversion to accepting that some human collectives fall into negative patterns and you wish to suppress all analysis and attempt to rectify the phenomenon.

    Your thinking is confused and contradictory and your arguments emotional.

    However, a deep concern for humanity makes such analysis necessary. If you don’t wish to be a part of that, you can lapse into your usual mode of trying to stigmatize discussion.

    Haven’t you figured out yet that this is increasingly not working? Better to be a part of the solution. But if it makes you happy, keep on trying….

  43. @Jake

    Marxism’s horrors? What, on earth, do you know about Marxism? I guess- next to nothing. Try read Leszek Kolakowski’s magnum opus:

    http://gen.lib.rus.ec/book/index.php?md5=D80FBAC25C1B15855741EF054FB2A1A8

    Main Currents of Marxism : Its Rise, Growth and Dissolution: Vol. 1.: The Founders

    http://gen.lib.rus.ec/book/index.php?md5=BB2E75551B7024ED68EBEF61DA8E478F

    Main Currents of Marxism: Its Rise, Growth and Dissolution :Volume 2: The Golden Age

    http://gen.lib.rus.ec/book/index.php?md5=E47057C3BD9E1C35847EB9BD51E8BBE9

    Main Currents of Marxism: Its Rise, Growth and Dissolution, Vol. 3: The Breakdown

    And enough with silly moralizing on history.

  44. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Wally

    There are no anti free speech laws that imprison people for questioning the very real communist murders.

    Absolutely false. It’s illegal in Lithuania, Poland, Latvia, France, and several other places.

    • Replies: @Wally
  45. @Colleen Pater

    “well yeah of course we subverted your culture, took over your banking, and fermented revolution”

    Well, yeah. I hate it when they ferment revolution.

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
  46. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Wally

    Can you provide the original forensic reports of these “Soviet mass graves” that you claim exist?

    • Troll: L.K
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  47. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Dissident X

    Much of the philosophy of liberal Jews boils down to, “Let’s you and him fight.” In other words, setting two groups against each other, for example whites/Hispanics, or whites/blacks, while Jews end up thriving as the other two groups duke it out. The Jews simply shift their alliance to one side or another when they think they can ride the advantage up. This is parasitic behavior.

    Jews wanted to be more white than anybody and join your country club too up until around 1950 or so, when they saw that was the way to advancement. But when they realized you could get ahead by doing the whole oppressed minority thing, they went in that direction. Jews ran to get in line when anti-discrimination laws went into effect for college enrollments, and they surged into US colleges in huge masses in the 1960s and 1970s when anti-minority quotas dropped. Now they call themselves ‘people of color,’ to continue to take advantage of anti-discrimination laws. It’s obviously nothing but dishonest, self-serving manipulation.

    • Replies: @Dissident X
  48. Jews were oppressed in Czarist Russia?????????? Ha! Ha! Ha!

    In czarist Russia the Saturday was a holy day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Show me one country in the west or as matter of fact , in the world, that had Saturday as a holy day at those times.

    Lenin introduced subotniky as a 6 hour working day on Saturday at the beginning as voluntary, but later as regular working day. Probably that was the reason they killed him.

  49. fnn says:

    Greg Cochran on the Jews:

    https://adarkwindhowls.wordpress.com/2017/01/23/conversation-with-a-scientist/#comments

    Jewish high iq probably also accidentally selected for ‘depression’ genes, anxiety, etc.

    – Jews were already leftwing, Moldbug is wrong (he really doesn’t like Moldbug!), look at role in Russian empire or Europe

    – Jews think of whites as their ‘ancient foe’ but don’t think that of Chinese

    – USS Liberty was absolutely a purposeful Israeli attack on US ship, only case he knows of repeated day-time ‘accidental’ attacks. Article in Chicago Tribune of retired army guys who saw classified info, and they said they heard transmissions from Israeli airforce being told to attack US ships. They wanted to kill everyone so there’d be no witnesses. Then later lied to say it was an ‘accident’ despite it happening over and over again. 6th Fleet was going to be scrambled, but McNamara ordered not to cuz LBJ ordered not to, because he didn’t want to piss off “the Jews”. What was the purpose of the attack on the Liberty? To pretend it was Egypt attacking and get US on Israel’s side. Likely some general didn’t realize in fog of war how easily Israel was winning and lost his nerve and ordered it, as well as good opportunity to cement American support and finish off residual “Arab” lobby in USG.

    – Nixon supporting Israel in ’73 was to get Jewish support for Cold War and tie their support to Vietnam war, etc. You don’t need all the Jews, but you need ‘some of them’.

    – White subordination to Jews, can change, it changed over past 100 years, it can change again. Israel will likely ‘push its luck’ and p.o. Trump, see below.

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
  50. Here’s a challenge for anyone:

    Create a “List of Jewish Communists” on Wikipedia and start a stopwatch. Let’s see how many hours before it’s taken down as ‘irrelevant’ or whatever…

    Do a list all of those responsible for genocides – the commie rulers or Ukraine and Kazakhstan where the starvation killed the most, the top 4 people of the gulag system, the majority of the Soviet government in the 30s, the NKVD assassins, etc (ALL Jews).

    • Replies: @Jake
  51. lavoisier says: • Website
    @AaronB

    Little or no point in trying to justify your thought process with such a mind.

    He is so convinced of his moral superiority and intrinsic virtue that he thinks he should decide what subjects are worth discussing and what subjects are forbidden.

    Do not waste your time with such a dangerous simpleton.

    He is a book burner.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  52. Jake says:
    @AaronB

    Before the Enlightenment made “gentiles vulnerable to Jews,” the Reformation plowed that ground and fertilized it. First, Luther set the tone in 2 ways. One is that the majority of his and other ‘reform’ writers publishers were Jewish, some of whom published at barely above cost. The more important is that Luther decided that the Old Testament was to be as Jews post-Christ decided it should be. Luther decided that to effect his reforms, the Christian Old Testament was to be pared as Jews deemed. That means his signal to the ‘reformed’ was to take the words and assessments of Jews above those of 15 centuries of Christianity.

    And that was indispensable to the nearly endless number of Protestant sects that were Judaizing in theological terms. The most important of those was the Anglo-Saxon Puritans, who crystalized the culture we know as WASP. The British Empire spread the ‘Jewish-friendly’ culture globally.

    • Troll: renfro
    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @Alden
  53. Jake says:
    @The Defiant Goy

    They are NOT “ALL Jews.”

    The vast majority are not full Russian, but many of the non-Russians are also not Jews. Stalin, for example, was Georgian.

    The Russian Empire provides an excellent case study of what happens when the Elites by and large lose meaningful Christian identity (replacing that with their faith in their genes and property) and that contagion spreads into the upper middle class. Starting with the 1830s, Russia was filled with the sons of the rich or at least educated middle class who adopted revolutionary ideas and even actions. That was how they replaced Christian charity – revolution.

    Without those gentiles who were apostates from historic Christian doctrines and identities, what the Jews did in Russia never could have amounted to much.

  54. I was very interested in this article’s review of the Russian “pogroms” and the alleged atrocities against the Jewish Communities at the time.

    I believe that even many innocent Jews in these communities were lured into believing that such outbursts of violence were directed specifically at them. Even my great grandmother on my mother’s side, which was Jewish, claimed to have left Russia in the 1880s as a result of such “atrocities”.

    However, and this is a rather large “but”, such atrocities actually emerged in the 1850s and 1860s. When news of Russian “pogroms” targeting Jewish Communities reached the British government, British officials took it upon themselves to research such allegations with two separate governmental studies; one in 1850, the second in 1861. Both studies came to the same exact conclusion; that alleged atrocities directed at Jewish Communities in the guise of pogroms were fictitious at best. What the study’s researchers found who were on the ground in Russia was that the majority of such atrocities were actually the results of Jews being hurt in general food riots that were sweeping the country at the time. There was evidence to suggest that at the time Jews themselves were being specifically targeted, though on an individual basis this could have been quite true.

    The studies also concluded, like the later research in the 1880s that this article describes, that much of the problems that Jews in Russia suffered were self-inflicted as a result of their exploitation of the less educated classes; except for the Crimea. In this case, it was found that the Crimea’s Jewish Community was predominantly Sephardic, and as such were the highest educated class of Jews in t he region at the time. Sephardim adamantly refused to get involved with financial businesses and monetary loans in any way. To them such an occupation did not reflect the highest ideals of the Judaic traditions. As a result, the studies found that relations between native Russians and Crimean Jews were so hospitable that there were no such offenses ever directed at Jews at any time over the course of of time these studies represented…

  55. @Ace

    Nobody went into exile, Nobility and wealthy people were summarily executed. No trials that would have been ridiculous. But numbers as 30 million are ridiculously exaggerated,

    • Replies: @Hibernian
  56. renfro says:

    As I am sure everyone who has ever been around the Jewish and holocaust subject knows…..the Jews promote that the entire gentile and Christian world is responsible for the holocaust.
    Yep…the allies didn’t drop their WWII battles against Germany and Japan and send all their forces and resources to get some Jews out of camps.
    After all they are the chosen and should come ahead of the billions of other civilians being bombed and killed in the war.

    Well here’s some good news and hooray for Poland fighting back.

    Polish senate approves Holocaust law
    The proposal makes it illegal to refer to Nazi concentration camps as ‘Polish death camps.’
    By Ginger Hervey
    2/1/18,
    Updated 2/1/18, 4:25 PM CET
    Lawmakers in Poland on Thursday approved a controversial proposal for a law that would make it a crime to ascribe responsibility to Poles for crimes committed by Nazis in World War II, according to Reuters.
    The proposal, dubbed the Holocaust law, caused a diplomatic rift between Poland and Israel, with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu comparing the draft legislation to an attempt to change history. The United States also urged Poland not to pass the proposal Wednesday.
    The draft legislation was approved in the senate, with 57 in favor, 23 against and two abstentions. It will now move to President Andrzej Duda for a signature.
    It is the latest in a long-term battle by Polish authorities to end the practice in media and elsewhere of referring to concentration camps like Auschwitz, which were used to kill Jews during the Second World War, as “Polish death camps.” If the law is brought into effect, such a reference made in Poland or abroad could lead to up to three years in jail.
    “We have to send a clear signal to the world that we won’t allow for Poland to continue being insulted,” Deputy Justice Minister Patryk Jaki said in parliament

    Israel demands changes to ‘Polish death camp’ bill – USA Today

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2018/01/…/israel…polish…/1073258001/

    Jan 28, 2018 – Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Sunday that his country could not tolerate a proposed law in Poland that distances Warsaw from responsibility for the Holocaust. Israel also summoned Poland’s deputy ambassador to express its outrage

    https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/europe/german-fm-calling-auschwitz-a-polish-death-camp-is-incorrect-1.5786931

    German FM Weighs in on Polish Holocaust Bill: Germany Alone Was Responsible for the Holocaust ‘And No One Else’
    Auschwitz and Majdanek were German death camps, calling them ‘Polish’ is incorrect, Sigmar Gabriel says amid debate over new Polish draft law

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
  57. Secular Jews use the Bible as a template, a list of things that in the long run weaken a people. Then they promote those activities so that they can make a killing when this society, run by its enemies, crashes. Americans are under the impression that their vague, ephemeral, magical Christianity forces them to accept the Jews as their predecessors, but the catch is that almost all of the Jews they encounter are hard-core secularists, atheists. I once took the complete Ulpan program in Israel, the state program for immigrants to learn modern Hebrew. Of the twenty students in the class three of us admitted to believing in God. All of the rest of the class had recently arrived from the Soviet Union as it was going down, and every one of them said over and over: “I do not believe in God at all; Judaism is not my religion; it is my race.” The funny thing about this silly statement is that the whole lot of them obviously carried very very few, if any, ancient Hebrew, Semitic genes. They were obviously a bunch of Khazars whose ancestors had converted and had few racial ties to the ancient Hebrew people.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    , @biz
  58. @Twodees Partain

    “well yeah of course we subverted your culture, took over your banking, and fermented revolution”

    Well, yeah. I hate it when they ferment revolution.

    Dear Sir. You have a wit
    I do have to admit

    But lets see the US.
    You subverted our culture, took over our banking,stock market, fed, universities
    academia, press, arts, visual and electronic media etc.

    And you are still fermenting revolution against our president”

    How controversial can we get ??????????????????????????

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  59. AaronB says:
    @lavoisier

    You’re right, there’s really no point. And thanks.

    Even as I was answering him I realized that he was just posing and attitudinizing – act like you’re in a position of power and authority and control the discourse.

    It’s the necessary mask of power, but it’s increasingly a desperate gambit, as we are in the midst of a massive shift in consciousness. The old forms of authority and power are rapidly crumbling and losing credibility.

    Corvinus tried to adopt the same attitude towards me in the other thread.

    Pretend you are the the “father” and control the discourse.

    The problem is, these tactics aren’t working anymore, because power relations are shifting. So they begin to seem pathetic and desperate.

    Elites rule by claiming they benefit the ruled in specific ways, and their credibility crumbles when their actions contradict their public image. For instance, a warrior elite must be brave and fearless and generous, and would lose credibility if they were revealed as cowards. The Communist elite was supposed to be egalitarian, and lost credibility when it was known they had private luxury villas.

    Jewish rule was based on two claims – they were financial geniuses, and especially benevolent and moral and concerned with the welfare of all. Whites, exhausted by wars and experiencing a crisis of motivation and identity, were willing to step aside.

    The massive economic mismanagement, and the increasingly obvious self interested behavior of jews, is now leading to a dramatic shift in consciousness and the old forms of credibility are rapidly crumbling.

    It’s a natural and inevitable process, and the work of McDonald is a symptom of a change that has already transpired. The post-war order is crumbling.

    Guys like Karolian and Corvinus will increasingly try and strike the tone of authority as a desperate bid to maintain their position. It is to be expected.

  60. @Anon

    anon of February 5, 2018 at 6:54 pm GMT – http://www.unz.com/article/a-review-of-revolutionary-yiddishland-a-history-of-jewish-radicalism

    When discussing this topic of the Torah-Talmudists, it is my opinion that artificial sub-divisioning into liberal v conservative/orthodox, left v right, etc. is part of a framework to evade a generalized grouping; I do not think that this has occurred by accident, and I believe that the root ideological imperatives are the relevant social differentiators,

    i.e. I believe that socio-culturally, this group is distinct from the vast majority out-group(s), in such a way so as to make internal ideological variations immaterial.

    Specifically, the binding cultural meme of ‘choseness’ of a supreme being, as separating them from the rest of humanity, and the liberties to discriminate and not be bound by any kind of social contract external to their law (principally Deuteronomy, Numbers, Levites as specified in the Talmud), i.e. freedom to lie to all out-group members.

    If I were to be put on the spot to ‘boil-down’ as you state it, defining cultural characteristics, I would say that it is the imperative to negative-sum-gain game the larger societies, individually on a nation state-by-nation state basis and internationally, on a global basis.
    Thus the very apt, in my opinion, comparison to a parasite, which cannot, on its own, support itself and replicate.

    Of course the amorphous nature of what defines a ‘jew’ is used for many things, yes, including, always being in the line receiving ‘special’ privilege, but it goes well beyond that, and has been summed up very, very succinctly by Gilad Atzmons http://blog.balder.org/?p=1673

    And here below is an important quote from: The Expert Witness:

    When we criticise Jewish politics (Israel, Zionism, the Lobby etc’) some Jews are “racially offended” in spite of the fact that race, biology, blood or ethnicity was never mentioned. When we criticise Jewish racism some Jews hide behind the argument that we are criticizing their religion. When we occasionally criticise the religion or some obscene Jewish religious teaching we are quick to learn that Jews are hardly religious anymore (which is true by the way). The meaning of it is simple, yet devastating. The Jewish triangle makes it very difficult, or even impossible to criticise Jewish politics, ideology and racism because the Identity is set as a field with a tri-polar gravity centre. The identity morphs endlessly. The contemporary 3rd category (political) Jew is everywhere and nowhere simultaneously, this is the quantum mechanics that is set to supress any possible criticism.

    Everybody who wishes to openly discuss the issues associated with a self-identifying cohesive collective, which uses these stock tactics best understand them and acquire methods for neutralizing such approaches.

    I am to a large extent contextualized by Douglas Reed’s “The Controversy of Zion which can be found by search using that information (I recommend taking precautions to mitigate data tracking if you download).

    • Replies: @anarchyst
    , @renfro
  61. nickels says:
    @AaronB

    You might look up Jonathan Israel, who lays the enlightenment out as a jewish project (Spinoza).
    I’ve got his work on the Dutch Empire in my que. Something horridly wrong occured in that realm that weakened Europe terribly.
    I like the fact Jews brag about these things and lay it all out for us. Their pride destroys their otherwise brilliant crypto-subversion.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @renfro
  62. AaronB says:
    @Jake

    I don’t think you’re right about Luther. Once he understood what the Jews were about, he was very opposed to them. And he was a huge admirer of the Theologica Germanica, a mystical work that can be described as the antithesis of Judaism – complete self-extinction of the ego.

    However, you’re right that the protestant revolution seems to have provided an opportunity for the Jewish spirit to dominate Europe, and that has something to do with the new emphasis on the Old Testament. But the picture is complex.

    The old Catholic world by then was incredibly corrupt and practically Jewish in spirit, there were warrior popes, incest, money abuses, sales of indulgences – a worse abuse than even Judaism conceived.

    In a way, the Judaizing tendency of the protestant revolution can be seen a development of Judaizing trends already existent as well as an attempt to purify it of those trends.

    We must not forget that the protestants had some very pure mystics. William Law also represents the antithesis of the Jewish spirit.

    But then the protestant idea that divine favor is shown through wealth is clearly Jewish in inspiration.

    I think you have some good ideas but the picture you paint is too simplistic.

  63. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Swedish Cultural commissar

  64. Wally says: • Website
    @Anon

    I never said that. You’re lying like usual.
    As expected you ignored the content of my post …. because you are cornered.

    I showed you Katyn, and numerous other actual verifiable mass graves with human remains, all at the hands of your beloved communists.
    You dodged that, of course, your problem.

    You, and Jews like you, claim that Treblinka holds ca. 900,000 Jew remains, that 1,250,000 Jews are buried at Auschwitz, that 250,000 are buried at Sobibor, and 34,000 are buried at Babi Yar, show us the Jew human remains that you claim exist there
    You cannot because they do not exist.

    http://www.codoh.com

    again:

    We’re talking about an alleged ’6M Jews & 5M others’ … 11,000,000.
    There is not a single verifiable excavated enormous mass grave with contents actually SHOWN, not just claimed, (recall the claim of 900,000 buried at Treblinka, 1,250,000 at Auschwitz, or 250,000 at Sobibor, 34,000 at Babi Yar) even though Jews claim they still exist and claim to know exactly where these alleged enormous mass graves are.

    • Replies: @Anon
  65. Wally says: • Website
    @anon

    Please show us these laws which prevent questioning of communist mass murders, laws which protect communist crimes. You claimed a mere 4 countries. Like wow. LOL
    Waiting.

    more:
    Let’s actually recall what the impossible storyline says. It says that 6,000,000 Jews, AND 5,000,000 others were murdered in the same ways in very centralized sites where enormous mass graves are alleged, the precise locations are supposedly none.

    However, not a single one of these alleged enormous mass graves has been excavated, it’s contents verified and shown. Why? Because they do not exist.
    more:

    The criminal “Holocau$T Industry” now claims that ca. 2,000,000 Jews were shot by the Einsatzgruppen into huge pits, so, anyone, please SHOW us the actual excavations, the enormous mass graves, & remains that are claimed to exist, their locations are allegedly known.
    Is that:
    100 graves of 20,000?
    200 graves of 10,000?
    400 graves of 5,000?
    500 graves of 4,000?
    1000 graves of 2000?
    2000 graves of 1000?

    http://www.codoh.com

    • Replies: @anon
  66. renfro says:

    Here is a prime example of Jewishness. The editor the Jewish Forward writes about Trumps ingratitude using a Rabbi’s writing about ingratitude:

    The Rabbi says “At bottom ingratitude reflects an inability — or perhaps an unwillingness — to acknowledge our dependence on, and our indebtedness to, anything or anyone beyond ourselves. To be ungrateful is to be unable — or again perhaps just unwilling — to acknowledge other people, past or present, who have made our lives possible.”

    “If we are ungrateful,” Rabbi Held continues, “if we don’t acknowledge the reality of just how much has been given to us rather than made or achieved by us, we will actually be incapable of worshipping anything but ourselves.

    Then she goes on to say Trumps ingratitude reflects America.. But of course it doesn’t reflect Jewish Americans or Israelis ingratitude because after all here she is as a Jew lecturing others about ingratitude.

    Ingratitude is actually is a hallmark of Jews. But Jews are so wrapped up in and warped by their worship of themselves they don’t understand that their ingratitude to America and the world is one reason others find them disgusting .

    No one but a Jew could write an article about ingratitude and not even realize they are describing the Jewishness that repulses people.

    Stupidest people on the face of the earth…….’ Never Learn ‘…should be their slogan.

    Like Pharaoh, Trump’s Most Salient Trait Is His Ingratitude
    Jane EisnerJanuary 15, 2018

    https://forward.com/opinion/392113/like-pharaoh-trumps-most-salient-trait-is-his-ingratitude/#article-comments

  67. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Wally

    You showed one mass grave from a biased source. Got forensic evidence for any others?

  68. Alden says:
    @Jake

    Jake’s right, he’s not a troll. The reformation was essentially wanna be judiasim. Although Luther was still Christian in contrast to Calvin Knox and others. “ There is but one God and that is the God of Israel” proclaimed Calvin.

    A religion that doesn’t believe Jesus is God is not Christian. But that was 500 years ago and things have changed.

    The American Amish were refugees from Calvin’s Switzerland. Calvin sentenced the entire Puritan Amish sect to death because of some silly dispute about the meaning of the Hebrew bible.

    It’s time to forget about the 500 year old inter Christian wars but America is full of Hebrew bible obsessed sects that keep the war going.

  69. AaronB says:
    @nickels

    You’re giving Jews just a little bit too much power there.

    The Enlightenment was very white. Hardly any Jews were involved.

    I

    like the fact Jews brag about these things and lay it all out for us. Their pride destroys their otherwise brilliant crypto-subversion.

    Interestingly, power doesn’t work that way. That just builds up the Jewish mystique. Their crypto subversion is obvious. It’s only effective against people who adopted a set of dogmas that make it impossible to believe people would act that way, i.e “rationalism”.

    If everything must be simple, clear, rational, then the dark motives of the human heart become invisible to you. You must dogmatically assert their non existence. See Karolian above.

    The payoff from the Enlightenment (broadly conceived) was huge – science, technology, etc. It just had an unexpected weakness, that ended up mattering more. It’s the process of dialectic at work. Things contain within themselves their opposites in hidden form.

    Jewish elites will be replaced because they have declined. That’s how all elites eventually get replaced. The American economys worse and the people are worse off. Intellectual life in the country has dramatically declined. The mystique is wearing off. The claim to higher morality is sounding hollow.

    At a certain point, the balloon will simply be punctured. But it is already hollow.

    • Replies: @polskijoe
  70. DaveE says:
    @AaronB

    Please allow me to summarize and hopefully simplify AaronB’s excellent explanation, for your superiority-addled brain:

    Rotten ideologies always manifest themselves as rotten behavior for the rotten followers of a rotten ideology. Ideologies ALWAYS have consequences.

    Consequently, one cannot be a good, altruistic, humble person and simultaneously believe he is born of a superior nature and entitled to endless special privileges, based on who his mama was.

    Sorry Aaron B, this was meant for Mr. Kaldian.

  71. wayfarer says:
    @AaronB

    Is it genes? Is it culture? Psychology? Is it a system that …

    Is it an ancient spiritual/carnal contract “chosen of free will,” which grants copious carnal treasure in return for assistance rendered as middle management here on earth, with tasks strictly outlined by a relatively unbounded hierarchy of multi-dimensional entities who follow a spiritual/carnal path of service-to-self, as opposed to its polar opposite of service-to-others?

    Just wonderin’ while wanderin’ as a sovereign soul, on this exhausting eternal journey in search of the one, but truly illusive “infinite creator.”

  72. Wade says:
    @Jake

    I think some of what you are saying is true. However regarding evangelicals I don’t think it is as true as you think it is. According to Allison Weir, many evangelical organizations were funded by wealthy Jews precisely to get them to preach a pro-Zionist message. Christian Zionism here in the US didn’t happen all on it’s own. This sort of thing is still happening.

    • Agree: Alden
  73. renfro says:
    @nickels

    ””Jonathan Israel, who lays the enlightenment out as a jewish project”’

    The Jews claim everything…lol

    They had nothing to do with the Enlightenment , the only place Jews appeared in the Enlightenment was when the nations debated whether or not to grant Jews citizenship in nations.

    You can read the actual debates on the Jews and the Rabbis responses in this book. The question of ‘Jew qua Jew vr Jew qua nation’ and how the rabbis wanted citizenship but also wanted to hold onto their ghettos and Jewish law .

    The ‘Jew qua nation’ is what the nations did not want…by which they meant the Jewish pattern of forming the ‘nation within a nation’ kind of subversive group they had always formed wherever they resided.

    The Jew in the Modern World: A Documentary History
    edited by Paul R. Mendes-Flohr, Jehuda Reinharz

    0Bu5GnLZCw0C&q=jew+qua+jew#v=snippet&q=jew%20qua%20jew&f=false

    you can read this online

    • Replies: @nickels
  74. bandw says:

    Why don’t we hear any Jewish radicalism from Jews living in Muslim world? Could it be that Islam is more compatible to Judaism in its religious doctrine ? It is the cultural clash between two religions that produces Jewish radicalism.

  75. anarchyst says:
    @Dissident X

    Tying Judaism to Christianity was a clever trick used by the jews to “cement” their claim to the “land of Israel” and of the covenant, to which I reply, “God is not a real estate agent”.
    Jews abandoned the covenant when they murdered Jesus Christ. Their covenant with God was then “null and void”.
    It is the flawed Schofield translation of the Bible that elevated jews to the status of Christianity’s “elder brothers”, which was then reinforced by the Catholic (flawed) “Vatican II Ecumenical Council” in the 1960s.
    I cringe when I hear well-meaning people talk about out judeo-Christian heritage.
    Nothing could be further from the truth.
    The only common thread between Christianity and judaism is the Ten Commandments–nothing more.
    The god of judaism is a vengeful god, totally unlike the merciful and welcoming God of Christianity.
    Christianity welcomes ALL, regardless of nationality or social status–not true of judaism.
    Judaism is an insular belief system that shuns outsiders, prohibits proselytization, and promotes a form of supremacy, relegating all gentiles (non-jews) to the status of livestock–subhumans with souls, only to be used for the advancement and benefit of jews.
    Jews DID murder Jesus Christ. Sad to say, even the present-day (post-Vatican II eumenical council) Catholic church has bought into absolving the jews for Jesus Christ’s murder. As always is the case, the jews got others, the Romans to do their dirty work for them–the crucifixion of Jesus Christ. How can Christians have the same values as the Jews; the very people who denounced and betrayed the founder of Christianity, Jesus Christ, and call for his execution (by others, of course, that is the Jewish way). It makes absolutely no sense at all. Jews have no respect, unlike Muslims for Jesus Christ or Mary, his mother, who are both honored as Prophets in Islam, but instead, Jews spit on hearing their names and do the same while passing a Christian of any kind or a Christian Church in Israel. They have no respect for Christians or any other religion.
    It is time the Jewish lobbies and the American Government leaders as well as the evangelical Christian leaders who mislead the poor American young into joining the military and believing that they are doing something for God and Christianity by fighting Israel’s wars were named, shamed and arrested and tried for treason.

    • Replies: @Dissident X
  76. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Wally

    IN the grand scheme of things, four countries vs a dozen or so out of 200 in the world isn’t a huge difference. The Wiki article on Holocaust denial gives specifics on which countries have which laws.

    • Replies: @Wally
  77. renfro says:
    @Dissident X

    You could add The Question of Zion by Jacqueline Rose, an earlier but not quite as condemning a critic as Atzmon .
    She is Jewish so she falls for the Jews as innocent and persecuted for no reason claim…… but other than that she says Israelis and Zionist are the new Nazis.

    She says Zionism is basically a cult and attracts Jews who want Jews, and therefore themselves personally, to appear to be like the strapping, self-confident, and strong Ayran type as opposed to the old Jew who was physically weak and stood in shadows.

    We see this attraction in the zio trolls who are always proclaiming the Israeli army as ‘super warriors’ and Israel as invincible.

    • Replies: @Dissident X
  78. @jilles dykstra

    The chairman of the USA High Court called these trials a ‘farce’. Bruce Allen Murphy, ‘The Brandeis/Frankfurter Connection, The Secret Political Activities of Two Supreme Court Justices’, New York, 1983
    He said to Frankfurter that Frankfurter did not go to Neurenberg as a judge, but as a jew.

    Senator Robert Taft, who had been known as an isolationist in the 30s, once criticized the Nuremberg Trials as an example of justice ex post facto. He pointed out that such trials would be illegal under the US constitution.

    • Replies: @Wally
  79. @Bardon Kaldian

    “Now- it is perhaps a sign of laziness to re-post one’s own comments”

    As long as you don’t abuse the privilege. You risk being called anarchyst.

  80. Wally says:
    @anon

    IOW, you cannot back up what you claimed.

    http://www.codoh.com

    • Replies: @Anon
  81. @Ilyana_Rozumova

    Yes, it could be written in the form of a limerick. Good point.

  82. Wally says:
    @Anon

    As expected, you continue to lie and ignore what I posted.

    Still awaiting for your ‘holocaust’ excavations showing the millions & millions of Jew remains … that do not exist, but you, and those like you, claim they exist and claim to know exactly where they are.
    Waiting.

    The Liberation of the Camps: Facts vs. Lies

    http://codoh.com/library/document/865/?lang=en

    “The Holocaust lie has been both the spiritual and financial wellspring of modern Jewish power, and for this reason it is clear why the Jewish Establishment holds onto this lie with a tenacity bordering on insanity.”

    http://www.codoh.com

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Anonymous
  83. Vinteuil says:

    Really interesting OP – all three parts are well worth reading.

    Disastrous comments thread.

    I guess the basic point here is not in dispute: for much of the twentieth century, identifying as jewish segued seamlessly into identifying as communist, for many, many people – some of them very important & influential people.

    If you note this, and you’re jewish, & you think communism was great – you can look forward to a career as a historian.

    But if you note this, and you’re not jewish, & you think communism was not so great – you can look forward to being silenced.

    • Agree: renfro
  84. Wally says: • Website
    @Seamus Padraig

    facts about The Nuremberg Show Trials:
    - “As a military tribunal, this Tribunal is a continuation of the war effort of the Allied nations.”

    http://avalon.law.yale.edu/imt/07-26-46.asp

    [MORE]

    -Recall that at Nuremberg is was stated that ‘the court was not bound by technical rules of evidence.’
    - At Nuremberg ‘mass gassings of Jews occurred in steam chambers’, and there were ‘German atomic weapons’.
    - The official use of torture in extracting “confessions” from Germans has been confirmed repeatedly.
    - All but two of the Germans [on trial at Nuremberg], in the 139 cases that we investigated, had their testicles kicked in beyond repair. This was standard operating procedure with our American investigators:” 23.1.49, The Sunday Pictorial (quoted in For Those Who Cannot Speak (ref. 27), p.21.The statements which were admitted as evidence were obtained from men who had first been kept in solitary confinement for three, four and five months..The investigators would put a black hood over the accused’s head, punch him in the face with brass knuckles, kick him and beat him with rubber hoses. American judge, van Roden
    - Judge van Roden’s allegation of torture to gain “confessions” is confirmed by Texas Supreme Court Judge, Gordon Simpson. He confirmed that savage beatings, smashing of testicles, and months of solitary confinement occurred. Congressional Record, appendix v. 95, sec.12, 3/10/49
    - U.S. Congressional Representative, Lawrence H. Smith of Wisconsin said:
    ” The Nuremberg Trials are so repugnant to the Anglo-Saxon principles of justice that we must forever be ashamed of that page in our history.”
    Congressional Record, appendix, v.95, sec.14, 6/15/49
    - Concerning prisoner & former Auschwitz commandant, Rudolf Hoess:
    “The prisoner was torn from the top bunk, the pyjamas ripped from his body. He was then dragged naked to one of the slaughter tables, where it seemed to [Bernard] Clarke the blows and screams were endless. Eventually, the Medical Officer urged the Captain: ‘Call them off, unless you want to take back a corpse.’”(12)
    12.R. Butler, Legions of Death, Hamlyn, (London, 1983), p.237
    - The admission of Bernard Clarke was corroborated by Mr. Ken Jones in ‘The Wrexham Leader’, October 17, 1986.
    Mr. Jones was then a private with the Fifth Royal Horse Artillery stationed at Heid in Schleswig-Holstein.
    “They brought him to us when he refused to cooperate over questioning about his activites during the war. He came in the winter of 1945/6 and was put in a small jail cell in the barracks,” recalls Mr. Jones. Two other soldiers were detailed with Mr. Jones to join Hoess in his cell to help break him down for interrogation.”
    “We sat in the cell with him, night and day, armed with axe handles. Our job was to prod him every time he fell asleep to help break down his resistance,” said Mr. Jones.
    When Hoess was taken out for exercise, he was made to wear only jeans and a thin cotton shirt in the bitter cold. After three days and nights without sleep, Hoess finally broke down and made a full confession to the authorities.
    - “The London Cage was used partly as a torture centre, inside which large numbers of German officers and soldiers were subjected to systematic ill-treatment. In total 3,573 men passed through the Cage, and more than 1,000 were persuaded to give statements about war crimes. The brutality did not end with the war, moreover: a number of German civilians joined the servicemen who were interrogated there up to 1948.
    As the work of the Cage was wound down, the interrogation of prisoners was switched to a number of internment camps in Germany. And there is evidence that the treatment meted out in these places was, if anything, far worse. While many of the papers relating to these interrogation centres remain sealed at the Foreign Office, it is clear that one camp in the British zone became particularly notorious. At least two German prisoners starved to death there, according to a court of inquiry, while others were shot for minor offenses.
    - At Nuremberg, perjurer Blaha said about Dachau in a sworn statement:
    “There were numerous executions by gas, executions by firearms, and by injections, in the camp. The gas chamber was finished in 1944, and I called Dr. Rascher to examine the first victim. Of the eight or nine persons in the chamber, three were still alive; the others seemed to be dead. Their eyes were red and their faces bloated. Numerous detainees were subsquently killed in the same manner.”
    IMT, vol. V, p. 198 (PS-3249).
    - But we’re told now that there were no gassings, and THEN we’re told there were “experimental” gassings, all of which contradicts Blaha … the liars can’t keep their stories straight.

    More here:

    http://codoh.com/library/document/2369/

    http://www.cwporter.com/innocent.htm

    http://www.codoh.com

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  85. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Wally

    The allegation about people kicked in the testicles at Nuremberg is 100% false, as should be indicated by Wally’s use of brackets.

    • Replies: @Wally
  86. @anarchyst

    Thank you for your comment.

    I will admit to you that most here would refer to me as an atheist, though I have my own, non-institutionalize spiritual epistemology.
    In short, I think all institutionalized religions are intrinsically power-base building and management tools.
    That being said, the distinction between the Torah-Talmudists and Christianity and Islam is very salient; both Christianity and Islam both insist on the universality of man under the supreme being, and the universality of ‘doing unto others, as one would have done unto oneself‘, even if only at the policy-myth level, this is the public objective.
    Torah-Talmudists, while the Torah is considered a sacred text in Christianity (and Islam I think?), the document itself is as a split personality, one side “love thy neighbour“, the split personality is more of the “kill them all, and their children for four generations” kind of thing.
    While Christianity’s “New Testament” moderates this split personality to ‘the “love thy neighbour” is what is meant‘, the voluminous Talmud very, very specifically clarifies that the ‘love thy neighbour‘ stuff applies to fellow ‘chosen’ in-group membership, and all of the “kill them all, and their children for four generations“, applies to everybody else (the out-group).

    I appreciate your comment, but I would like to say, that in the emerging resistance to the in-progress enslavement of… everybody else, this type of argument, from a ‘biblical‘ position, (if I can call it that), is well prepared for, and we can see the construction of supporting (more or less) false narratives to bolster passive-aggressive retaliations against such discussion approaches.

    If I may recommend… avoiding framing discussion points against a religious subject (please refer back to the quote of Gilad Atzmons http://www.unz.com/article/a-review-of-revolutionary-yiddishland-a-history-of-jewish-radicalism/#comment-2192271 in my comment above,
    but rather, I recommend:
    a. framing discussions around more-or-less generally agreed to anti-social behavioural norms which are very, very well referenced in literary material produced by adherents of the in-question international collective’s ideology. One advantage gained by almost a hundred years of completely disproportional representation of the collective’s adherents in the media and publishing industry, is a trove of material about … how they see it.
    b. most people (outside those knowledgeable of these extreme chauvinistic anti-social directives) while agreeing with the anti-social nature of the attributed behaviours will have been conditioned to reject their truthfulness. No need to get upset, this is totally understandable, under the constant carpet-bombing of deceptive narratives that most people have experienced for their entire lives; this is an indoctrination, and peoples’ knee-jerk reaction to completely refuse to accept the accurate attributions is evidence of this indoctrination; so the primary task becomes the education of these enforced edicts of behaviours for collective members to the general population, overlayed on the very secretive nature of the collective’s activities, specifically to keep the genrnal population in the dark about it, and repress all discussion of it.

    I mean, most people know it.
    Not everybody knows it at a conscious level, but almost everyone knows it, at least at a subconscious level.
    It is this ‘cognitive dissonance‘ between what people know in the waking consciousness (indoctrinated), and what cannot be hidden from the ironically more objective sub-conscious, that can be utilized to … motivate… people to do something before it is too late.

    The ridiculous public take over of the government of the United States of America, at all levels, buying all congressmen and senators, and creating policy at AIPAC is… destroying America’s credibility almost everywhere (even in Israel; while I’m on it, ….their books say…. that one of the lowest and most despicable lifeforms is the out-group collaborator, who works at counter-interest to his own cultural group, in favour of the Torah-Talmudists; they place that quite a bit lower than their enemies that fight them!)

    So, in good faith, I send this communication back to you.

  87. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Wally

    Or you could just look it up yourself.

  88. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Wally

    You claimed communist mass graves and can’t show any. Claiming a grave and posting some links doesn’t meet our own standard of evidence. You lose.

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    , @Ilyana_Rozumova
  89. @AaronB

    There is not much to answer you because you are ignorant re these matters you write about. I know it looks like unseemly argumentum ad hominem, but it cannot be spelled out differently. You simply don’t know what you’re writing about & your theses (basically, MacDonald’s digest) are as irrational & delusional as the Renaissance ideas on witches or 4- humors medical theory.

    Perhaps it’s even worse, as Wolfgang Pauli had said on similar rambling: “It is not even wrong“.

    Jews are ethnic religious tribalists who had, many of them, lived in Europe for most than 2000 years. Somewhere during the Nero’s rule, they constituted ca 10% of Roman Empire, i.e. 5-6 million people. Have they had an opportunity for natural growth, there would have been ca. 250-400 million of them now. But, most of them assimilated, vanished into greater Pagan & then Christian communities. So much for stubborn insistence of religious-ethnic pride.

    There is no “group evolutionary strategy”, only if it stands for something trivial: any ethnic-national group wants to exist ad infinitum & prosper. This applies to every single human community.
    As for Jews being particularly ethno-centric, this may be the truth in comparison with some other groups, but they didn’t differ from Zoroastrian Iranians or Hindu Brahmins; there is no way to empirically verify whether their ethnocentrism is rooted in ancient religious texts older than 1500 years (Babylonian Talmud, 250-600 AD). No causal connection can be made & all this is bogus.

    With regard to MacDonald’s thesis that Jews are culturally-generically predisposed to domination in host societies, this is an easily refutable canard: they lived harmoniously, peacefully & productively during Parthian, Zoroastrian, Abbasid, Cordovan caliphates, Ottoman Empire…as well as in the 17th-18th C Netherlands or 18th C Prussia. They tried (and to a larger degree succeeded) to assimilate into British & German Empires, from the beginning to the end.

    MacDonald’s (and yours) theses are very simple & cannot pass the test of any rational & empirical investigation.

    1. Jews are essentially, due to a compound of genes, history, religious ideology,… eternal enemy of “white race”. Nonsense. They lived among Europeans for almost 2 millennia & had virtually always been at the history’s receiving end. After their Enlightenment at the end of the 18th C, they avidly secularized themselves & were literally hungry for the riches of high European culture (arts, sciences, technology, ..), trying to assimilate as fast as they could. No “evolutionary group strategy” here, not anything that would preserve them as an alien dominant cultural-biological ethnicity..

    2. Jews are far from a monolith existing in MacDonald fantasy. It is true they, those of them who still possess Jewish identity, try to help their co-religionists if they are in trouble (which is a perfectly normal behavior). But, their primary loyalty is to their host societies, which can be seen from German Jewish behavior during WW1, when their military deaths were higher than their percentage in the population. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judenz%C3%A4hlung French Jews fought for France, British for Britain etc.

    3. according to MacDonald, Jews are basically destructive to a host society, like a group of pathogen bacteria swarming & sucking life out their host-victim. They’re, actually, not unlike a cancer. Another example of dehumanization & antisemitic nonsense. What about good they’ve done to their host societies, in culture, wealth, inventions, development of commerce, journalism, agriculture, arts,..

    4. last MacDonald’s myth is about their extraordinarily high levels of endogamous practice. In reality, Catholic and Protestants didn’t mix much until the 20th C, and Jews (not converts) have been in mixed marriages with German Christians at the rate of 40%, during 1933 (Hitler’s rise to power); now, more than 60% of Jews outmarry and more than 80-90% of them do so in Russia. Where is this MacDonald’s grand “evolutionary strategy”?

    Or, after all, Einstein (whose descendants are not Jews) was right: If it were not for antisemitism, Jews would have dispersed like leaves in the wind.

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    , @AaronB
    , @AaronB
  90. @renfro

    Okay Renfro, I’m focused on developing effective means of resistance (at the moment), for many articles here at UNZ Review seem to follow very comment threads lines towards this kind of discussion, even though the article is about “A History of Jewish Radicalism“.

    One can see the resentment to the increasing enslavement, but a low proportion of people constructively contributing to effective methods of what to do about it.

    So, in that (understandably) frustrated state, (of feeling the oppression, but being unable to do anything about it), many people fail to connect the dots to point out that they are now very wary of yet another disinformation deflection, … by (what many commenters see as) the minority en-slavers group, to… as per trend, further consolidate their position (on top).
    What ensues is the now familiar, unproductive (in developing an effective method of resistance) vilification of the subject group.

    That may be just the way they like it?!

    For example, while I appreciate your time and energy to respond to my comment, you deliver it very considerately exclusively within the framework that they want the discussion to take place, (because it will never go anywhere towards breaking their stranglehold control of the discussion nor towards remediating the problems some of us have with being slaves.)

    I mean “Nazis”™ is a meaningless term, created, and basically trademarked by the ‘Holocaust’®© industry.
    Making personal attacks on the apparent norm of neurotic self-inadequacy of the collective, manifested as unsupported bravado, I suggest may well be equally impotent.

    I referenced Douglas Reed “The Controversy of Zion, for the purpose that it seemingly objectively (to me) references accepted supporting documentation, as evidence of a very clearly defined operational trend of this collective, across 25 centuries, and well-reasoned analysis for predicting future activities.
    As Sabre-tooth says, “You’re predictable!

    Not only that, but there doesn’t seem to be any kind of provision build for… the off switch.
    Not only are responses to certain … situations, usually in the form of denunciations against one or another stereotypes, very predictable, but they are also very reliable, because it seems like the decentralized ‘cell‘ structure only has ‘attack‘ mode, and will universally respond in the only way it knows to all items showing up on its radar.

    I recommend calling on well-publicized, yet little known by the general public, documents, like the Hasbara, and the Oded Yinons _A Strategy for Israel in the Nineteen Eighties, both loaded with anti-social objectives, against which the actual outcomes to date can be compared, thus demonstrating the actual execution of these incredibly chauvinistic, hateful, hypocritical behaviours by the, in this case, zionists.

    We have to move to a more effective form of resistance, the first step is bringing evidence of the secretive anti-social behaviours of the adherents of this collectives to its well-published ‘religious‘ imperatives.

    The next step will be challenging the toleration of these anti-social ‘negative-sum-gain’ gaming tactics within the context of constitutional scrutiny, and their ultimately legitimacy under that framework.

    If you love peace, be prepared for war.

    I believe that if more of the self-identifying adherents of this collective actually better knew what it was they were signed up for, many would overcome their even worse literally tortured indoctrinations, enough to even abandon the their favourable value-proposition of membership in the collective.

    Please listen to Benjamin Freedman’s 1961__Willard_Hotel_Washington_DC address, at (among multiple uploads) at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8OmxI2AYV8

    Peace.

    • Replies: @renfro
  91. mcohen says:

    There is an opening for a rabbi at my shul,preferably from a sephardic community like morocco or iran.no chabad or such.must be married and over the age of 50 and knowledgeable in all aspects of judaism and fully understand the 7 paths of wisdom.

    • Replies: @Wally
  92. Wally says: • Website
    @Anon

    He lies again. It’s part of their DNA.

    What brackets?

    But I seriously doubt he knows much about testicles.

    Notice that he cannot show us the millions of Jew remains that he claims are in allegedly known mass graves.

    Healthy Jews at Auschwitz ‘liberation’:

    http://www.codoh.com

  93. Wally says: • Website
    @mcohen

    Yes, we know about your perverted rabbis.

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  94. Wally says:
    @Anon

    I posted them, you ignored them.
    You are a liar.
    Communist remains are found on a case by case basis, more will no doubt continue to be found.

    However, you, and Jews like you, claim there are millions upon millions of Jew remains in huge, allegedly KNOWN graves.
    But you or no other Jew can show them. Two guys with shovels could find them if they really existed.

    Well, your creeps in Israel have no trouble creating fake Jew graves
    see:
    Jews created fake Jewish graves

    http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10337


    http://www.codoh.com

    • Replies: @Anon
  95. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    @ Wally

    You have been asked about the recent use of the latest technology to confirm the personal testimomies about the 600,000 to 800,000 murdered at Treblinka. Have you replied? Indeed have you bothered to read anything new since you started parrotting your lines about 6 million and physical impossibility.

    Also, as I have often wondered how the accounting for numbers of people starved or murdered by Nazis is done, I find information such as this about Yad Vashem’s Hall of Names and the “missing 1.3 million” relevant and interesting:

    I saw this on the BBC and thought you should see it:

    The Holocaust: Who are the missing million? – ://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-39062221

    Have you been to Yad Vashem or spoken to its curators? Have you taken any other steps to disprove the claims made that 4.7 million victims have been identified by name?

    Have you completely closed your mind to the possibility of proof of the deliberate murder and negligent homicide of millions of Jews in accordance with Nazi policy?

  96. @Mike Garrett

    I find it highly unlikely that non-Jewish scientists wouldn’t have eventually developed these terrible weapons anyway, it seems a stretch to blame this on organized Jewry.

  97. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Wally

    See #93 as reply to you.

  98. nickels says:
    @renfro

    I’ll have to hold off on deciding the influence of jews in Enlight. till after JI’s book.
    However, it was really the reformation that started the ball rolling, which was certainly heavily influenced by jews (EMJ discusses this in JRS).
    I think, also, scholasticism played a part in both, which was influenced by Maimonides and the Muslim Rennaisance, and the Pagan sources.

  99. @bandw

    Or it could simply be that Jews are banned from positions of political power in these nations, e.g. Iran. If anything, Islam is more compatible with Christianity than Judaism.

  100. @Anonymous

    Are you referring to Sturdy-Colls laughable “study”?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  101. @Bardon Kaldian

    Baron, I can see the well-crafted nature of your comment.
    However, on your points:
    1. Your position is NOT consistent with the collective’s (Torah-Talmudists) behavioural imperatives to comply and be observant, as dictated in the Talmud
    2. The members of the collective secretly operate within a society covertly employing different behavioural permissive ranges, which in their observance, is totally okay for them (as long as they observe The Kol Nidre, http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/9443-kol-nidre

    All vows [ ], obligations, oaths, and anathemas, whether called ‘ḳonam,’ ‘ḳonas,’ or by any other name, which we may vow, or swear, or pledge, or whereby we may be bound, from this Day of Atonement until the next (whose happy coming we await), we do repent. May they be deemed absolved, forgiven, annulled, and void, and made of no effect; they shall not bind us nor have power over us. The vows shall not be reckoned vows; the obligations shall not be obligatory; nor the oaths be oaths.

    , affording systematic advantages over the out-group population.
    They foster, what is considered technically illegal in most western justice system, promotion of in-group members above all others by the primary determinant of in-group association. Of course, since this has occurred in the legal industries of host countries, there are never any prosecutions against these crimes.
    It is very clear that “their primary loyalty is” NOT “to their host societies”, but to their international collective membership, at negative sum gain to the host societies.
    3. The Torah, as moderated by the Talmud is effectively a manifesto for secretive subversion and domination of host societies, as such it is unsustainable without a host society, since the end objective is total domination, and slavery of a large majority of out-group ‘servants‘.
    The term ‘antisemitism’ was created and propagated with the specific objective of intimidating the goyim, and suppressing fact-based discussions on topics which expose the methods and objectives of the Torah-Talmudist extremist exceptionalism.
    4. Products of out-group marriage are selectively and/or conditionally accepted as in-group, or subsequently considered out-group, according to secret criteria. Marriage with Arabs is strongly disavowed with groups to block it, see video below.

    Interesting that the descendants of the genius of the 20th century, Einstein, have opted for exiting the collective.
    Thanks for bringing that ‘catch’ to my attention.

    Abby Martin’s “Empire Files: Israelis Speak Candidly to Abby Martin About Palestinians” video is a devastating indictment for war crimes of the zionists, and the widespread collaboration of the people in the streets, if compared to the Nazi™ narrative crimes against humanity, would result in Neuremberg-like trials for all of them.

    Everybody should watch this; it is way beyond my worst case expectation; truly incredible!

  102. @Anon

    Vinnytsia doesn’t count?

    • Replies: @Anon
  103. AaronB says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    To be perfectly honest I am not interested in proving this to you. The task would be vast and complex and far beyond the space permitted here and would also depend on my assumption of your good faith.

    The way you just presented your case above, a mix of poorly hanging together half truths, irrelevant points, valid points, good points, misleading points, value judgements masquerading as fact, make me despair of having any fruitful dialogue with you. It would be like entering a swamp. We’re just not even in the same mental universe. You cite Jewish wealth – organizing the economy away from engineering and towards the FIRE sector – as a social contribution.

    You make basic logical mistakes – you argue that since other groups show ethnic affiliation that somehow invalidates the charge against Jews, and gloss over potential differences in strength and virulence, and ignore the context of Jewish particularism operating among a European population disarmed by Enlightenment ideals, and prior to that, by the universalist ethic of Christianity and it’s rejection of power and materialism.

    You refuse to recognize any link between Jewish behavior and Jewish culture and religion, even though that behavior is merely a manifestation of values found in the culture – in other words, you’re committing a basic category error. First we observe Jewish behavior, then we see if if it matches up with the culture. Not the other way around, as you seem rather bizarrely to think.

    You’re also conflating McDonald’s description of Jewish behavior with his explanations for it – something I already pointed out to you was illegitimate and didn’t reflect my position.

    You also have a tendency to ignore the many detailed quotes of Jews describing their motivations and thought proccesses and pretend it is entirely a matter of us imposing our interpretations on them in an ad hoc fashion. Whats with that, anyways?

    Anyways, this could go on and on.

    I don’t object to you not wishing to argue with me – arguments are only fruitful if there is at least a minimum shared core of assumptions. Otherwise it’s like entering a swamp.

    But it’s a problem that you keep on barging into these discussing trying to stigmatize everyone and shut down the debate.

    Do you really think your simplified case above simply disposes of the book lengths exhaustively argued and backed up cases presented by Douglas Reed and Mcdonald and others? That we all just didn’t know or couldn’t think of the objections you raised?

    Get a grip.

    These arguments are not so easily dealt with, and instead of offering a radically simplified “snapshot” view that is an incoherent mishmash, try focusing on one element at a time to argue – that might be fruitful.

    But it’s almost as if you want to bury the issue in a swamp rather than analyze each delicate threat.

    I am perfectly happy living with the knowledge that you disagree with me. I would only invite you to educate yourself on the topic by reading the many fine books that exhaustively present the evidence and logic for this position in voluminous detail, chief among them the one them by Douglas Reed.

    When I first responded to you it was only to explain that you were misunderstanding the nature of the argument and exhibiting a well known limitation of Western thinking – the propensity to think in simply defined categories and ignore phenomena that are complex and hard to pin down.

    Now, just because I disagree with you doesn’t mean I want to shut you down – I am not popping up on threads trying to stigmatize the very expression of your opinions, apply preconceived labels meant to socially exclude you, and generally try and shame you and shut you up, and declare the issue can’t even be discussed.

    I don’t do that because I have no problem with you expressing your opinions.

    You keep on barging in trying to shut everyone up. It’s weird. It’s also obvious why you’re doing it.

    This is a complex issue that we each must make up our minds about after having read perhaps a book or two on it. Your simplified snapshot view which poorly hangs together is not the last word on it.

    Value judgements play a huge role. Data alone is indeterminate. Personal experience also plays a crucial role, often being the catalyst for the search for explanations for a puzzling pattern persistently experienced.

    Learn to think about this with more sophistication and more lattitude.

  104. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Wally

    Just admit you can’t prove a single Soviet mass grave because you can’t. You can’t even provide forensic evidence. How sad!

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  105. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    Nope. Need to see photos of the graves and the actual forensic reporting

  106. @Anon

    Silly boys There are no communist mass graves, There never were Communist mass graves.
    They just shoot the people and left the bodies where they fell. Animals took care of the bodies.

  107. WhiteWolf says:
    @Grahamsno(G64)

    I’ve wondered myself if the claimed number of murdered by Bolsheviks was as exaggerated as the holohoax. The difference is you can freely question the red terror in any country.

  108. @Wally

    Jews never lie! They only make fun of you.

  109. AaronB says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Finally, please don’t conflate my position with Mcdonalds. I don’t agree with his essentialist critique of Jews, as I’ve made clear. He is useful for other reasons, as I’ve explained.

    However, a mitigating factor is that Mcdonald is merely essentializing Jews the same way many have done to whites. It’s not defensible in either case.

    Nor do I or most others deny that many Jews made good contributions and there were and are countless good Jews, but that isn’t the argument.

    As I’ve made abundantly clear, I regard Jewish culture as a traumatizing psychological system that, however it originated (probably in some ancient communal trauma leading to a need to compensate for crushing feelings of inadequacy), is now self perpetuating, and is also an archetypal response to the vulnerability of the human condition, is not confined to Jews only best exemplified by them, and thus is ultimately not about flesh and blood Jews per se, and has general human meaning. My view is motivated by compassion.

    But that’s just me.

    See, it really is complex

  110. Wally says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    Yes, I did reply, you ignored it. See post 96 in the Chabloz story thread

    http://www.unz.com/article/reflections-on-the-chabloz-case/#comments

    I see nothing in the BBC story other than the usual all-talk, fake Zionist propaganda. Is that your best shot?
    After all, Jews themselves say that ‘holocausted’ Jews went to enormous mass graves at allegedly known locations. You nor anyone else can show us excavations with the alleged contents of ’6M Jews & 5M others’. Game over on that alone.
    As for starving Jews, that would have largely been avoided if the ‘Allies’ had not bombed supply lines to the camps in violation of international law. Germans starved as well.

    Fact: per Elie Wiesel & Primo Levy, Jews were given a choice to await the Soviets or retreat with the Germans. Most by far chose to retreat with the Germans. Yet fake history absurdly calls them ‘death marches’.

    ‘Speak to the Yad Vashem Fantasy Park staff? Seriously?
    They profit from the Big Lie, hardly a source for facts.
    But hey, if you are sincere, then debate Revisionists in a no name calling, no dodging environment. Your big chance to show us what you got at: http://forum.codoh.com
    Beware, myself and those there know this subject well, you will be challenged.
    All Revisionists are former Believers.

    Holocaust Handbooks, Documentaries, & Videos

    http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?main_page=1

    Chemistry of Auschwitz / Birkenau

    The ‘holocaust’ storyline is one of the most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. That is why those who question it are arrested and persecuted. That is why violent, racist, & privileged Jewish supremacists demand censorship. What sort of truth is it that denies free speech and the freedom to seek the truth? Only liars demand censorship.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @jilles dykstra
  111. Wally says:
    @Anon

    Been there, done that. The problem with liars like you is that must now continue to lie.

    We’re talking about an alleged ’6M Jews & 5M others’ … 11,000,000.
    There is not a single verifiable excavated enormous mass grave with contents actually SHOWN, not just claimed, (recall the claim of 900,000 buried at Treblinka, 1,250,000 at Auschwitz, or 250,000 at Sobibor, 34,000 at Babi Yar) even though Jews claim they still exist and claim to know exactly where these alleged enormous mass graves are.

    Katyn:

    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=758

    and:

    https://codoh.com/media/files/documents/documents/katyn_v.pdf

    Chemistry of Auschwitz / Birkenau

    • Replies: @Anon
  112. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    Yes. What’s wrong with it? Apart from what appeared to be religoous objections to digging up bits or ashes of dead bodies there seemed to be some pretty solid confirmation of eye witness testimony such as finding the only brick buildings, the gas chambers, in the right place.

  113. @WhiteWolf

    As well, the accounts of Soviet crimes do not involve absurd stories of open air incinerations, massive excavations/exhumations for which no archaeological evidence exists, etc. involving millions of bodies. If Stalin’s crimes are exaggerated (and they may well be), by comparison Hitler’s crimes are fabrications.

  114. renfro says:
    @Dissident X

    One can see the resentment to the increasing enslavement, but a low proportion of people constructively contributing to effective methods of what to do about it

    We have to move to a more effective form of resistance, the first step is bringing evidence of the secretive anti-social behaviours of the adherents of this collectives to its well-published ‘religious‘ imperatives

    So what do you think effective methods are?
    I’ve been at this for 16 years, been thru ALL the political history and religious history. I know so much about it that the thought of trying to tell it all to the uneducated is like thinking about making myself climb Mt. Everest…no thanks.

    And experience has taught me one thing……..trying to move people to action and opposition by revealing the anti social behaviors of the tribe in both Zionism and Judaism doesn’t do it for the general public ……mostly because those are both bottomless pit conversations that ((they)) want their opposition bogged down in.

    People will be moved to counter the Jews control of the US government when it affects them personally or they are shown how it affects them personally.

    The short time I have been on unz I haven’t seen any commenters interested in actually doing anything about it. Perhaps some take some action they don’t mention….but as far as this site is concerned it seems more interested in arguing over ancient history….not what is going on as we speak.

    I said in 2003 that Israel would cause the US to be alienated from every country except Israel, that has more or less now happened.
    I said in 2005 that the Jews would ultimately go after the US Constitution to try and destroy free speech in order to protect Israel—-that has now also happened. Fortunately as the news showed last week a Federal judge ruled laws punishing or preventing people from expressing their opinion on Israel or boycotting Israel is unconstitutional. It is things like that that get the publics attention….because it affects them.

    When I go out among friends, acquaintances and strangers I approach the Israel problem very simply.
    I ask them what would have happened if in 1948 their state in the US had turned out to be the Jews promised land and the UN awarded it to them and the Jews had come in and run them out of their homes, burned their crops, poisoned their water wells, slaughtered their livestock, cut down their olive trees and then seized every thing, even their bank accounts, when they fled for their lives.
    The prize for the winning answer goes to the man who replied….’well if that had happened there would be no Jews left alive in the US”.

    Then I tell them about the money…the billions of their tax dollars that go to Israel instead of schools, roads, bridges, under fed American children, veterans care, etc. etc.. And about what a unpatriotic shame it is to see US politicians swear allegiance to a foreign country and vow to spend every drop of American blood and treasure for a foreign nation.

    I have lost count of how many people I have converted from for Israel or indifferent to Israel to against Israel and the US Israel relationship.

    It isn’t rocket science .

    • Agree: anarchyst
    • Replies: @Neil Templeton
  115. @jilles dykstra

    “though never centrally planned or directed’. That is something the paranoid UR commenting fantasists will have a problem with. After all it is so much easier for the lazy and simple minded to scream “Rothschild”.

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
  116. renfro says:
    @Wally

    US POWs in Japan.Odd how all we hear about the Jews.

  117. @Anonymous

    She didn’t find a gas chamber, she found a tile with a star on it that she claimed conformed to witness accounts of the gas chamber floor, until it was revealed that the star was actually an emblem of a European pharmaceutical company still in existence today. She found evidence that people were buried there, but since there was a major war going on and the front crossed that area several times, that shouldn’t be too surprising. (She’s also a simpering idiot who never passed up an opportunity to weep over the inhumanity of it all.) She found absolutely no evidence that 900K people were gassed, buried, exhumed, and burned in open-air cremations that would have required massive deforestation (for which not even eyewitness testimony exists).

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  118. Wally says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    “Yes. What’s wrong with it? Apart from what appeared to be religoous objections to digging up bits or ashes of dead bodies there seemed to be some pretty solid confirmation of eye witness testimony such as finding the only brick buildings, the gas chambers, in the right place.”
    See my reply 113 in this thread.
    So now you’re saying that Poland is bound by Jewish customs?
    Now you’re saying that Poland doesn’t excavate / search for corpses in criminal cases?
    Please show the claimed 900,000 Jew remains that are alleged by Jews to be buried at Treblinka.

    Sturdy-Coles sure didn’t find them, nor an absurd ‘gas chamber’.
    Here’s what she did find:
    Dr. Sturdy-Colls discoveries at Treblinka
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=7361&hilit=collshttp://fotos.fotoflexer.com/094c7dff9bb113a5933695767677078a.jpg

  119. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Wally

    Why do you agressively assert that I “ignored” your reply? Any averagely intelligent person with a sixth grade education would infer from my question that I was not aware of your reply and therefore could not have ignored it.

    And why do you go on about the 6 million when there was criminal intent – and at least some large consequences – at the Wannsee Conference, Eichmann’s systemic work which he never sought to justify in a German court in the 50s etc. It seems you haven’t even tried to examine the veracity of Yad Vashem purported records of 4.7 million Jews…

    • Replies: @Wally
  120. @Wally

    Elie Wiesel, ‘La Nuit’, 1958, 2007
    Sorry, no choice in the book.
    Death march, indeed people died during the evacuation, but this was not the purpose.
    The purpose was to retain manpower.

    • Replies: @Wally
  121. @fnn

    ” What was the purpose of the attack on the Liberty? ”

    To give McNamara an excuse to nuke Cairo.
    The bombers had already left the aircraft carrier, but were called back.
    The Liberty had radioed that it was an Israeli attack.
    Israel bungled, the missiles specially built to destroy the Liberty antennaes turned towards the jamming transmitters.
    These had to be switched off each time a missile was fired, this made it possible to send messages.

  122. @Wally

    If these pictures are real, they confirm what Wiesel writes, that the workers were evacuated, on foot, in winter, some or many died, but not for the purpose of killing them.

  123. @renfro

    No idea where and when the pictures were taken, but two Dutch who were in Japanese camps explained to me that food was the problem.
    The man did smuggle some rice into the camp, in his underpants, with fear of death, after having worked in the rice fields outside the camp.
    The woman at the time was a girl of about ten, later in life she could not have children, because of hunger in the camps.

    But also the Japanese people in Japan were nearly starved.
    Less food of course was grown, and later in the war hardly any Japanese freight ships remained.

    In this repect Japan was like Germany from januari 1945 on, allies fighter bombers destroyed anything that moved.
    As Gould, at the time RAF scientific analyst, states, this was the reason for the Bergen Belsen misery that USA forces found.
    Wim Kayzer, ‘Een Schitterend Ongeluk, Wim Kayzer ontmoet Oliver Sacks, Stephen Jay Gould, Stephen Toulmin, Daniel C. Dennett, Rupert Sheldrake en Freeman Dyson’, 1993 Amsterdam

  124. @renfro

    The concentration camps were in Poland.
    Death camp is an assertion.
    But Poles did murder jews, as did Lithuanians.
    Jan T. Gross, ‘Neighbours, The Destruction of the Jewish Community in Jedwabne, Poland, 1941’, 2003, London

    • Replies: @Lex
  125. helena says:
    @renfro

    I’m told women’s camps were worse. I know of one lady who gave her food to her children and a few years after the war her organs packed up and she died.

    Also, a relative was in one of the Stalig’s and ‘liberation’ meant walking from Poland to England, which he managed only thanks to help from Germans along the way.

    Then there’s The Railway, reports from which out-horror most other war experiences.

    • Replies: @renfro
  126. Qqqqq says:
    @Jake

    Wrong.
    I am not WASP. I grew up in Bratislava.
    And see jews, as parasits.
    They take out , what they can, from the host environment, like country commune, city.,.and contribute zero.
    And they call our counystrategy different names, we are not going to give by, they jave to go

  127. mcohen says:
    @Wally

    That is a weird pic to post of yourself.what are you trying to do.

  128. Qqqqq says:
    @WhiteWolf

    Agree.
    Bolseviks documented their victims.
    Genoch Hersch Yehuda (author calls him Yagoda, russian for strawberry) was sending weekly reports to Lazar Kagan and those reports are archived. His last counting stated 10 million peasants, Russians and Ukrainians, simply kulaks. Yehuda was in different positions, Ceka, GPU, NKVD, GULAGs.
    Bolseviki also archived other sources: Goossudarstvennoe Upravlanie Lagerej , western vulgo GULAG, we know, from their reports, that the channels north of Leningrad, Ladoga, onega etc waterways, did cost 200k lives directly during 5 year period of digging.
    We have notices about execution of of 300k clergy men of russian ortodox church and about disaperance of 1000000 of eir family members in Siberia KZs.
    Means jewish participation, leadership and exexution in those crimes is well established.
    If you sum up the numbers, you g slightly over 21m.

    The 40M diff to 60 are missing unborn generations, due to
    the jewish murders of Russians.

  129. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    Interesting point (whether good or bad in the end) about the fuel needed. That’s a real question that can be tested by good science and logic. My recollection is that one version has it that the clean up operations led to digging up bodies previously just disposed of in mass graves and only then burning them. But I’m not sure why wood fires would be used given that Poland was and is well supplied with coal. (I hope so: I have made quite a large investment in some Polish coal mines, though that testifies to little since the company was first recommended to me for its interests in Togo phosphate :-)

  130. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Wally

    I see some photos of the corpses of Polish officers. I don’t see the total number alleged, nor do I see any autopsy reports. I also don’t see any proof that the Soviets killed them.

    Where are the rest of the Polish corpses? There’s maybe 100 in these photos? And how do we know the documents and uniforms even came from the same grave? Looks like more Nazi propaganda to me. Lol.

    • Troll: L.K
  131. @Wizard of Oz

    Around 1890 one Rothschildt wrote to another ‘the only enemy of jews is jews’.
    You find the statement in
    Fritz Stern, ‘Gold and Iron, Bismarck, Bleichröder, and the Building of the German Empire’, New York, 1977
    or
    Ismar Schorsch, ‘Jewish Reactions to German Anti-Semitism, 1870 – 1914′, New York 1972
    Alas my memory is not perfect, and I now do not have the books at hand.
    Both books, written by jews, explain the emergence of antisemitism in Germany from 1870 on.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  132. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    I’m surprised that you promote that link so confidently. I haven’t followed it up with more searches to see if Dr. Colis was indeed caught out on a critical matter as the newobserveronline would have one believe because the intellectual limitations of the author are apparent. After all he doesn’t even consider the possibility that others, who saw it in 1942 or 43, mistook the Polish firm’s six pointed star emblem for a Star of David (or thought it was meant to be taken to be a Star of David. At the very least the author might have shown the imagunation or the curiosity to inquire as to where the piece of tile had been placed originally.

  133. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @jilles dykstra

    Is that meant to be a reply to my comment? I don’t understand how it can be. I do agree however that the growth of overt anti Semitism in the laye 19th century is well worth studying if only to reduce the number of oversimplified angry assertions on UR. It would be interesting to read a kind of Forsyte Saga account of the subtle and not so subtle ways in which varoous Jewish families and individuals pursued or changed theor allegiances to Jewry. The very existence of Reform/Liberal/Progressive and Conservative departures from mainstream Orthodoxy should prompt such inquiry.

    Why would a rich English Jew (e.g. a Rothschild) who had been elected to the House of Commons or made a peer and had not the slightest conception of modern Zionism – nor the slightest taste for joining those few Jews living in Jerusalem or elsewhere in the Holy Land – think there was anything better for a Jew than to be an English gentleman who could be an Enlightenment intellectual or keen sportsman like any other Englishman of his class? Nothing the barbarous Russians did would have persuaded him to become a passionate Zionist rather than a charitable chap who thought there was surely land in the relatively Jew friendly Ottoman Empire that might be used to relieve Jews from the Czar’s empire. Obviously Germany was potentially at least a more troubling country for Jews and anti-Dreyfusards France must have been part of the story of growing anti-Semitism and its use by Zionists etc. But the idea that there was solidarity of Jewish elite opinion from 1750 to the 21st century, let alone from the return from Babylon or earlier, is ridiculous.

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
  134. @Grahamsno(G64)

    This is nonsense. Demographic losses in SU are more or less well documented & they are real, aside from anti Jewish tendentious interpretations.

    http://necrometrics.com/20c5m.htm

    • Replies: @WhiteWolf
  135. @Anonymous

    I tried to explain how antisemitism emerged after 1870, based on literature written by jews.
    That at the time a Rothschildt understood this, a tribute to their intelligence.
    What you want to study, no idea.
    The facts are there.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Wally
  136. polskijoe says:
    @Grahamsno(G64)

    Hah. You should be happy it says 30 million.

    There are still some fools who think the number was 60 million-66 million! They are found on all forums.
    (Solhentysin wasnt right on the number, he was also citing others, but his general books were good,
    Rummel used old outdated numbers often made up from sources, etc).

    The Bolsheviks and Stalin did kill millions for sure, 10-20 million is a good estimate. but nothing what Neocon/Neoliberal/Neonazi types claim.

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
  137. polskijoe says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Lenin an ethnic Russian?

    Nope. He didnt look Russian, he didnt look Slavic.
    He was a collection of ethnicities.

    Russian, Chuvash, Mordvin, or Kalmyk, Jewish

    Lenin had little regard for his own countrymen:

    “An intelligent Russian,” he once remarked, “is almost always a Jew or someone with Jewish blood in his veins.

    ‘Hand out the work to Russian idiots: send the cuttings here, but not occasional issues (as these idiots have been doing until now).’

    Lenin also believe Russians were too stupid for revolution,
    he prefered Jews, Letts, etc.

  138. polskijoe says:
    @AaronB

    Freemasonry gave Jews more power than ever before.

    “fourteen attempts were made to give the Jews civic equality and thirty-five major speeches were given by several orators, among them Mirabeau, Robespierre, Abbé Grégoire, Abbé Sièyes, Camille, Desmoulins, Vernier, Barnave, Lameth, Duport and others.

    “’Now there is a singular comparison to be made,’ says Abbé Lemann, ‘- all the names which we have just cited and which figure in the Moniteur as having voted for the Jews are also found on the list of Masons… Is this coincidence not proof of the order given, in the lodges of Paris, to work in favour of Jewish emancipation?’

    orthodoxbooks

  139. @polskijoe

    Sometime I do wonder that how come that there are still some Russians around.
    But then all those Russians must be fake Russians.

  140. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    The Jews have not learned at all, they are so arrogant they are simply incapable of introspection. Declaring yourself the perpetual victim means you never need any self critique. These people are again up to their old tricks. Almost without fail all the most radical left wing pundits in the media, academia, Hollywood, DC, SV and business today are all Jews. They are practically foaming at the mouth at the mention of Trump, completely unable to reason.

    I don’t think these people will be happy until we arrive at a world ruled by Jews, with Jerusalem as the world capital, their favorite useful idiot blacks as their new Red Army, and allow these mindless vindictive violent drones to seek revenge and take from the whites everything they’ve always wanted but were too dumb/lazy to attain, but of course the homes owned by Jews will be marked with the Star and spared in their rampage, just as Moses predicted.

  141. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Jake

    The primary intellectual and moral background of Neocon Jews is Marxism, most specifically Trotskyism.

    And it wedded easily, naturally, almost perfectly, to WASP globalist imperialism, which at least tripled its power globally.

    You cannot solve the ‘Jewish problem’ without also solving the ‘WASP problem.’

    WASP power was not based on ‘a chosen people seeking retribution/leading the world to promised land’, it was based on greed under the guise of a messianic mission to civilize the third world savages, to this latter end they actually achieved some good. It also began to unravel at the end of colonialism and is now on its last leg. American power is no longer WASP power, it has been entirely subsumed by neocon Jew power since the days of George W. Bush.

    • Replies: @helena
  142. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Wyatt Pendleton

    If you want to know whose guilty at the core of a thing, look for those you cannot criticize. The more punitive the force of reprisal for heresy, the more guilty that party is.

    How true. In America you can’t criticize Jews and blacks. In Europe you can’t criticize Muslims. Ultimately groups who lack introspection hurt no one but themselves, because they will keep repeating the same mistakes and never get out of the fog. They will either be hit with a thunderbolt someday by something they completely did not see coming, or will gradually lose their power and deteriorate into oblivion.

  143. Wally says:
    @Anonymous

    The Wannsee Conference said nothing of killing Jews. And the alleged minutes were laughably altered. As has been demonstrated by numerous studies.
    Eichmann is even more ridiculous. What he said is utterly impossible, is contradicted by proven facts, and contradicted by his, always changing statements, etc. Incredible what the Israelis can do to someone after they have kept them in solitary confinement.

    I know all about Yad Vashems fake records, they been debunked at The CODOH Forum and the work from the CODOH main site.
    Yad Vashem even has people’s pets listed as well as countless others who have been shown to be alive. It’s largely taken from the Arolsen Archives which we know all about as well, where not a single gassing can be proven.

    Instead arguing back & forth awkwardly here, why don’t you register and debate at The CODOH Forum, as I suggested previously and learn? There’s no name calling, no dodging, just debate.
    Your going thorough the usual cognitive dissonance that all go through when they realize that their beliefs are simply impossible.

    The ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the ‘holocaust’ scam debunked here: http://codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here: http://forum.codoh.com

    The Los Angeles Coliseum holds ca 90,000. But, according to Jews, 900,000 Jews were allegedly murdered & buried at Treblinka, which would necessarily have left unimaginable amounts of human remains. In fact, Jews claim those remains still exist. That claim equals 10 times the Los Angeles Coliseum capacity shown here:

    http://forum.codoh.com/download/file.php?id=1348&t=1

    So where are the necessary human remains?

  144. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @jilles dykstra

    Thanks I mistook your Rothschild reference as picking up on my introduction of the name in my comment and, in that context, didn’t understand what you were trying to convey. We do seem to be on the same theme to some extent. Indeed the rise of anti Semitism after 1870 doesn’t support a quasi mysticsl view of the Eternal Jew or other such fantasy (fantasy even if not without some basis in observed reality).

    Why Rothschildt with thst “t” on the end? Not the banking family? Or is ot some Dutch branch? :-)

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
  145. @Anonymous

    Eyewitness testimony, which is supposed to be sacrosanct on this issue, claimed there was a Star of David on the tiles in the alleged gas chamber, this Star has yet to be found, so there’s that. The curiosity of the New Observer is irrelevant. The idea that Sturdy-Colls work confirms the Treblinka narrative owes more to gullibility than imagination, I’d say.

    • Replies: @Anon
  146. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    Eyewitness testimony, which is supposed to be sacrosanct on this issue,

    Really? Who says that?

    • Replies: @Wally
  147. @Wally

    This is a true story about Eichmann.
    And so he was sentenced to death. Next day at breakfast Eichmann did ask guard what he has to do to change to Judaism. I will bring you Rabbi said the guard.
    Rabbi came in the afternoon, and immediately asked:
    Why you want to be a Jew my son?
    Dear Rabbi said Eichmann, I will die with happy feeling that there is one less Jew in the world.

    • Replies: @Wally
  148. renfro says:
    @helena

    What the Japanese did to POWs was way worse than what nazis did to Jews and others prisoners.

    ”A trooper of the 3rd Hussars, being beaten by a guard with a rifle, raised an arm to ward off blows and was accused of having struck the man. After several days of beatings, he was tied to a tree and bayoneted to death.
    An officer of the Gordons who protested against sick men being forced to work was also tied to a tree, beneath which guards lit a fire and burnt him like some Christian martyr

    Japanese moral indignation caused many US aircrew captured in 1944-45 to be treated as “war criminals”. Eight B-29 crewmen were killed by un-anaesthetised vivisection carried out in front of medical students at a hospital. Their stomachs, hearts, lungs and brain segments were removed.
    Half a century later, one doctor present said: “There was no debate among the doctors about whether to do the operations – that was what made it so strange.”

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/columnists/article-482589/Beheaded-whim-worked-death-Japans-repugnant-treatment-Allied-PoWs.html#ixzz56OFGO4b6
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  149. Wally says:
    @jilles dykstra

    You don’t “retain manpower” if you give your labor a choice to not participate.
    Anyway, you’re wrong as usual on everything, again.

    IF you actually have the book, which I doubt, then note that there have been edited / changed versions of the original.
    The fake edited editions even ADDED ‘gas chambers’ where they was no mention of such nonsense initially.
    Yep, that is verifiable fact. Yep what lying Zionists do.

    “Night,” p. 78, Elie Wiesel wrote the following regarding his decision to join the Germans on the march out of Auschwitz:

    The choice was in our hands. For once we could decide our fate for ourselves. We could both stay in the hospital, where I could, thanks to my doctor, get him (his father) entered as a patient or nurse. Or else we could follow the others. “Well, what shall we do, father?” He was silent. “Let’s be evacuated with the others,” I told him.”

    and:
    Otto Frank, the father of Anne Frank, stated the prisoners were given a choice between staying in the camps until the Soviet troops arrived or going on a 50-kilometer fast hike through two feet of snow to the border of the old German Reich where they would be put on trains and taken to camps in Germany.
    - http://www.scrapbookpages.com/AuschwitzScrapbook/History/Articles/Liberation.html

    Wiesel’s choice is also corroborated by other “survivor’ accounts including that of Primo Levi and most notably by the “survivors” from Schindler’s List. In their well-known story, as the Russians were about to overrun Plaszow just thirty miles down the road to the east from Auschwitz in November 1944, Schindler and more than a thousand Jews chose to go west with the retreating Nazis rather than hang back and be “liberated” by the Soviets. Some even spent the next several weeks at Auschwitz–but none were gassed, not even in the movie. The hoax has certainly had its day.

    The ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the ‘holocaust’ scam debunked here: http://codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here:

    http://forum.codoh.com

  150. Wally says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova

    You people believe anything.
    He never said that.
    Believe some wingnut rabbi? Laughable.
    No doubt if a rabbi told you that he witnessed witchcraft you would be believe it too.

    Why would you even believe such nonsense when there is no proof to back it up?

    remember:

    We’re talking about an alleged ’6M Jews & 5M others’ … 11,000,000.
    There is not a single verifiable excavated enormous mass grave with contents actually SHOWN, not just claimed, (recall the claim of 900,000 buried at Treblinka, 1,250,000 at Auschwitz, or 250,000 at Sobibor, 34,000 at Babi Yar) even though Jews claim they still exist and claim to know exactly where these alleged enormous mass graves are.

    I challenge you to a no name calling, level playing field debate.
    The ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the ‘holocaust’ scam debunked here:

    http://codoh.com

    No name calling, level playing field debate here:

    http://forum.codoh.com

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
  151. renfro says:
    @Anonymous

    Are you an idiot?

    First the Nazis would never had the star of david stamped on tiles for the Jews…why the hell would they.

    Second, the article gives you the tile makers site, pictures of the tiles, ads in papers for the tiles showing the star is a TRADEMARK.

  152. Wally says:
    @Anon

    Jews like you say it.

    According to alleged “holocaust eyewitness” Henryk Tauber, corpses could be cremated in 5-7 minutes.
    If you question that in many countries you will be imprisoned.
    See more on the highly cited Henryk Tauber here:
    ‘Industry’s Roberto Muehlenkamp cites debunked liar Henryk Tauber as proof of Auschwitz ‘gas chambers’ !!’

    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11279

    The ‘holocaust’ storyline is one of the most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. That is why those who question it are arrested and persecuted. That is why violent, racist, & privileged Jewish supremacists demand censorship. What sort of truth is it that denies free speech and the freedom to seek the truth? Truth needs no protection from scrutiny.

    Only liars demand censorship.

    The ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the ‘holocaust’ scam debunked here:

    http://codoh.com

    No name calling, level playing field debate here:

    http://forum.codoh.com

  153. renfro says:

    Interesting….I think I will download and read it.

    Saturday, January 27, 2018

    http://barnesreview.org/product/the-six-million-fact-or-fiction/

    7th Edition Released Free to Read in Response to Amazon Censorship

    I am happy to announce that the very latest edition of The Six Million: Fact or Fiction? (7th edition) has now been released free to read on the internet.

    I have taken this step in response to the decision by Amazon worldwide to ban the book from sale on that platform, in response to agitation from assorted Jewish organizations, including the ADL and Yad Vanshem.

    The Jewish organizations said in their pleas to Amazon to ban the book that the “threats against Jewish Community Centers” which were so rife in the US in 2017 were “evidence of rising anti-Semitism” and that therefore books like The Six Million: Fact or Fiction? needed to be removed from the public arena.
    As everyone now knows, the “threats against the Jewish Community Centers” all came from a Jew, Micheal Ron David Kadar, in Israel, who was only arrested after the US sent the FBI to that country, because the Israeli police had not acted against him.
    When he was arrested, it turned out he had over $250K in bitcoin, payment for the thousands of threats to Jewish centers all over the world, all very handily providing the excuse of “rising anti-Semitism” to ban books…

    Needless to say, when the US asked Israel to extradite Kadar, the request was refused.
    So it turned out that it was all a set-up, albeit one with which Amazon played along willingly.
    In reaction to this draconian and unwarranted censorship, I have waited until International Holocaust Remembrance Day, January 27, 2018, to prepare and release free on the Internet the very latest updated edition of The Six Million: Fact or Fiction?

    You can find the entire book on its own site here:
    I will also be releasing PDF and ebook versions, and soon a torrent file as well.
    The book is being released for non-commercial purposes only, so please respect that.

    But for now, read the whole book free by going to its new site here.
    If you want to support my efforts, please do consider buying a hard copy from the brave booksellers who still stock the book (click on the advertisement to the right please).
    The censors must know that we will never back down until this wall of lies collapses under its own weight. Banning books off Amazon is merely an indication of the fact that they know their claims cannot stand up to rational investigation. Now is the time to increase the pressure!

    Posted by Peter Winter at 3:41 PM

    • Replies: @tac
    , @L.K
  154. Wally says:
    @Wally

    I asked & you dodged:

    So where are the necessary human remains that Jews claim?

    Only liars demand censorship.

    The ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the ‘holocaust’ scam debunked here:

    http://codoh.com

    No name calling, level playing field debate here:

    http://forum.codoh.com

    • Troll: polskijoe
    • Replies: @renfro
  155. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    No but *you* either have a very low IQ or lack all proper habits for scholarly or cognitively demanding professional work. In short, at best you are careless.

    Why? Because you completely failed to understand the clear point I was making in criticism of someone who alleged that the error (venial or malicious) of Colis was the last word on error and failed to see that those who reported seeing things in the 1940s might have been in error – about facts supposedly remembered, or their interpretation. Yes it was a trademark. At least we can take that as the starting point for investigation. *Could* the 1940s witnesses have mistaken it, then or in memory, for a Star of David? 100% certainly yes! (After all Colis and colleagues did!). But you miss that obvious point. Duh! OK it was the drink and the colic erupting….Apology accepted. You are not an idiot: merely capable, like most of us, of jumping in idiotically.

    • Replies: @renfro
  156. WhiteWolf says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    People have the right to question the number of people killed by the Bolsheviks. They should have the same right to question the number of people killed in the holohoax and whether gas chamber extermination on an industrial scale actually happened. Especially in Germany. Let the facts speak for themselves. The current laws suggest there are no facts to back up the 6 million claim.

  157. @Wally

    Are you in heat?
    It was a Joke!
    OMG

  158. PeterMx says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    “They did not perceive themselves as Jews”. What a ridiculous comment. No matter what Jews do, Jews can’t be blamed for their own actions, and therefore never take responsibility for them. Is there any other group in the world that could have taken over the Russian Empire, dominated its government and everything else in the country and orchestrate the death of tens of millions of Christians (that Jews to this day continue to lay the blood libel on with their exaggerated stories about pogroms) and then in the same breath say taking over the country had nothing to do with them being Jewish? And amazingly, keep their takeover of Russia a secret from the whole world so that no one can even comment on it, lest they be called a “NAZI”. Can Germans say they didn’t see themselves as Germans when they attacked the USSR or Russians didn’t see themselves as Russians when they went into Germany, Japanese didn’t see themselves as Japanese or the ancient Greeks or Romans didn’t see themselves as such? That’s quite a trick but I’ve only seen Jews use this verbal trick. If Jews hadn’t seen themselves as Jews in Russia, or anywhere else in the world, then they wouldn’t have continued to exist there, or anywhere else, for thousands of years as a separate ethnic group without a state of their own. Their existence without a state of their own for thousands of years is a tribute to their ethnocentrism.

    Jews made up less than 2% of the Russian Empire’s population but they carried out a coup, overthrowing the government (the hated Czar who they continue to hate as an “anti-semite” today”), they installed themselves as the new government (Jews made up 80 to 85% of the USSR’s first government according to Russian President Putin), that same government made Christianity a crime, burned down many of the country’s churches and made anti-semitism (criticism of Jews) a crime.

    President Putin – Jews made up 80 to 85% of the USSR’s government

    According to the Canadian Jewish News, the Jewish Ilya Ehrenburg was the leading Soviet journalist during World War II. He was a rape advocate (the only one I know of), disseminating his propaganda to the millions of Red Army soldiers that would gang rape two million German women of all ages as they entered Germany.

    http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v08/v08p507_Weber.html

    “ … The recent disclosure that Ehrenburg arranged to transfer his private archives to Jerusalem’s Yad Vashem library and archive, while still alive, comes as a stunning revelation. The reason this information has come to light only now is that Ehrenburg agreed to transfer his archive on condition that the transfer, and his will, remain secret for 20 years after his death. On Dec. 11 [1987], with the 20-year period expired, Israel’s daily Maariv related Ehrenburg’s story…”

    “This new revelation about one of the most influential figures of the Stalinist regime shows that, whatever he may have said for public consumption, Ehrenburg never privately disavowed Zionism or forgot his ancestry.”

    Ilya Ehrenburg is celebrated as a great hero in Israel.

    You’re not qualified to carry Professor Kevin MacDonald’s books.

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
  159. renfro says:
    @Anonymous

    This is what you said in response to the article revealing the Colis claim to be the one who …”lack all proper habits for scholarly or cognitively demanding professional work”.

    So who’s the idiot among us….Colis for being the sloppy, unprofessional one who wanted to think it was a star of david?….or me for believing what the maker of the tile says about the star trademark?…..or you for trying to defend/deflect from it with this pitiful offering….” Colis was the last word on error and failed to see that those who reported seeing things in the 1940s might have been in error – about facts supposedly remembered, or their interpretation. Yes it was a trademark. At least we can take that as the starting point for investigation. *Could* the 1940s witnesses have mistaken it, then or in memory, for a Star of David?”

    It doesn’t matter what some saw and took as their star of david in the 1940′s….THIS is about what Colis CLAIMED…..with .. no proper habits for scholarly or cognitively demanding professional work’……just jumping up and yelling she had found star of david tiles.

    I will retract my calling you an idiot however.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  160. renfro says:
    @Wally

    Reading about this I have a question about crematories ….this is sort of sickening but I learned it from having my departed pets cremated.

    First, it takes about an hour for a med size dog and it would take 2 1/2 to 3 or more hours min for a adult man or woman.
    Second, what you get back aren’t really ashes….its pulverized bone fragments…the rest of the body, skin and organs are mostly water and literally melt down…the bones don’t….because of the metal and mineral content in the bones also….what you get back is like course gravely dirt. If you dumped it in or buried it in dirt you wouldn’t be able to tell it from the dirt.

    So I would find it hard to believe there are any actual ashes from camp crematories because I doubt they would take the time to ground up the bones….and I haven’t seen any mention of any bone grinding or pulverizing machines.

    I don’t see how or why it would have been efficient for the Nazis just to melt down the bodies and have to clean the puddles out and then still have the bones left to bury.

  161. Wally says: • Website
    @jilles dykstra

    said:
    “I tried to explain how antisemitism emerged after 1870, based on literature written by jews.
    That at the time a Rothschildt understood this, a tribute to their intelligence.”

    Yes indeed. Here’s “literature” written by Jews since 1869.
    Not very “intelligent”, however.

    Jews have been pushing the ’6,000,000′ lie since at least 1869?

    http://balder.org/judea/New-York-Times-Six-Million-Jews-Since-1869.php

    http://www.codoh.com

  162. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Wally

    Well I do think it worth bringing up such facts as the capacity of a large stadium to enliven the thinking of people who are not willing to spend endless time on dubious websites. I am very familiar with a stadium that cam seat over 100,000 people. However, as I try to use that fact I now take off with say 800,000 × 115 pounds which gives over 41,000 long tons of protein, fat, water and bone.

    • Troll: L.K
  163. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Wally

    continued from previous comment which was kidnapped by software glitch…..

    Say 60 per cent is water so you have about 17,000 tons to be largely consumed by fire after a few months rotting where originall dumped. Fat burns easily and muscle quite readily. Bones take longer no doubt. I wonder what need there is for your forest if you start the bodies burning with liquid fuel and pile them up so that there is plenty of oxygen drawn through the pyre. I await the serious contribution of someone with appropriate scientific and engineering knowledge to take it further.

    • Replies: @Wally
  164. @PeterMx

    Ehrenburg may have advocated rape, never read this, but he did advocate murder ‘tötet, tötet, tötet’.
    What is ‘kill, kill, kill’.
    And this is what the Red Army did, planes even shot up convoys of fleeing civilians.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  165. @Wally

    You are right about the quote.
    But in my opinion it was not much of a choice, the jews were not asked if they wanted to leave or wanted to stay.
    They could invent a pretext to stay.

  166. @Wally

    You forgot to quote Wiesel’s hope of being liberated by the Red Army.
    They could hear the Red Army artillery, and saw the explosions at night.

  167. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @renfro

    Some of my dearest in-laws are Japanese (with common ancestry perhaps 25,000 -
    75,000 years ago. It is hard to conceive of these septuagenarians or their children belonging to the race/ethnic group that did what we know the Japanese did in the 30s and 40s. (Others are Jewish, possibly 25th or 50th cousins and a model for what the English upper middle and professional class should be). An uncle who served in or with the Red Cross in Singapore, because he was too old for ordinary military service, spent 3+ years as a prisoner in Changi – despite which he long outlived his younger brother who was a prisoner in Germany ( 82 to 59).i never discissed his experience but a partner in his stockbroking firm told me that he refused to deal with the Japanese, even after they hsd become important to business. That seems to speak for itself.

    Too many young men was a problem in Germany and Russia in the 30s and very much so for the Japanese. Now the US is going to need a lot of very dim young ethnics if it is to cary on war making even if it mainntains advantage in drones….. I wonder how Israel’s Ashkenazi reproduction rate is going?

  168. @renfro

    Never heard about this removing of organs while being alive.
    ‘My boys do not take prisoners’, a USA Pacific commander said to Lindbergh
    Charles A. Lindbergh, ´The Wartime Journals of Charles A. Lindbergh’, New York, 1970
    Then there is
    Mark R. Peattie, ‘Nan’yõ, The Rise and Fall of the Japanese in Micronesia, 1885 – 1945’, Honolulu, 1988, 1992
    large scale suicide by civilians, women with their children, as the USA force approached, with their flame throwers.

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  169. @Anonymous

    Of course the bankers
    but you are right, the last ‘t’ should not be there.

  170. helena says:
    @Anonymous

    That makes sense. From my own family experience I think wasp professionals are aware that they have been eclipsed in many sectors. My mother told me, only recently since my father died, that when apartheid ended in S Africa, Jewish professionals came to London looking for senior positions and that my father, who was in a very nice ‘big fish in a small pond’ kind of position felt he was being verbally destabilised, criticised.

  171. helena says:
    @renfro

    Horrific. We should not have forgotten these men the way it seems we have.

  172. Lex says:
    @jilles dykstra

    Gross is not a historian. He’s a sociologist/fantasist who was proved to be lying many times.

  173. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @renfro

    These were men who, presumptively, by Japanese standards had forfeited all rights and respect by being captured. But Buchenwald and Belsen prisoners had no reason to expect the same attitudes from Western Europeans, especially when their physical condition showed no sign of any deprivation. (See the films of e.g. SS guards disposing of bodies and lining up to face the live sndcdead victims with the equally healthy looking civilians who had been made to view the camps). Mind you my uncle who had been in a POW camp in Brunswick and had been up to 210 pounds before the war (and had rowed at 176 pounds) was somewhere about 120 pounds, maybe less, when released in 1945.

  174. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @jilles dykstra

    I’m afraid it wasn’t just the Soviet air force which shot up civilians. I have heard plausibly of British and American fighter pilots shooting up passenget trains full of civilians at least some of it deliberately without discrimination. It is easy to imagine plenty of revenge attacks e.g. by someone whose mother had been killed in Kent or Sussex by Germans returning from an intended raid on London with plenty of firepower unused.

  175. @Anonymous

    Except that is claimed at the AR camps, all those bodies were FIRST buried, before being exhumed and burned.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  176. @jilles dykstra

    The Japanese bio-weapons division, Unit 731 in Manchuria, is said to have done these things to Russians and Chinese. I’m skeptical about the claims against US airmen, but the horrors in Manchuria seem real. (Needless to say all of these scientists went to work for the US after the war.)

  177. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    AR camps? By whicg you mean? Is your point to say the numbers are too great foor any such calculation as I started on?

  178. @jilles dykstra

    where do you get zionism from 1917? ,oh of course well ((( Jules Dykstra))) for the rest of the world 1917 doesn’t bring zionisms false start to mind, it brings to mind the year the jews murdered the russian nobility and began a 100 year campaign of fomenting commi revolutions throughout the rest of the west starting in germany which eventually caused their little setback in auschwitz and 1000s of millions of white lives lost over the century due to commie jews

    • Replies: @biz
  179. tac says:
    @renfro

    And the slaughter committed by psychotic Bolsheviks should not be forgotten:

    http://crazzfiles.com/talmudic-terror-and-torture/

    http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Rozaliia_Zemliachka

    Katyn forest massacre:

  180. renfro says:

    I think we can all agree with Sherman’s…..’War is hell”.

  181. renfro says:

    One last thing. The Red Cross records say 52,000 Jew were liberated from camps.
    However the Holocaust industry defines a ‘survivor’ as any Jew who fled or hid out or was living in a country controlled by Germany or was living in any country that had restrictions on Jews during the war.
    Several years ago they sued a SA country…I want to say it was Argentina but cant remember for certain…..because Jews there were restricted from gathering in public parks , movie theaters and etc. . The country claimed that it was because Jews might be targets for violence and that the public might be endangered. As said I cant remember for sure what country it was but they ended up paying money to the Holocaust committee anyway.

    IMO if they weren’t in a German camp they aren’t actual survivors.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  182. Wally says:
    @Anonymous

    What you talk about is laughable anti-science, easily debunked Zionist nonsense.

    That’s all covered at the CODOH Forum in spades, ex.:

    https://forum.codoh.com/search.php?keywords=cremation+fuel&fid%5B0%5D=2

    https://forum.codoh.com/search.php?keywords=cremation+rates&fid%5B0%5D=2

    Science, rational thought, & logic simply demolish the ‘holocaust’ storyline.
    And that’s why there are Thought Crime Laws that imprison those who engage in free speech about it.
    Truth is hate to those that hate the truth.

    See the ‘holocaust’ scam easily & thoroughly debunked here:

    http://codoh.com

    No name calling, level playing field debate here:F

    http://forum.codoh.com

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  183. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Wally

    Are you a scientist?

    • Replies: @Wally
  184. biz says:
    @Grahamsno(G64)

    Love it!

    It’s so true – the same people who claim that six million holocaust victims is impossible have no upper limit on the number of Stalin’s victims that they will claim! 30 million? 60 million? 100 million? I’ve seen them all.

    (They also have no upper limit on the dollar amount of US aid to Israel that they’ll claim. 50 billion? A trillion? I’ve seen it all.)

    • Agree: polskijoe
    • Replies: @renfro
  185. biz says:
    @Colleen Pater

    1000s of millions of white lives lost over the century

    Billions of white lives lost??? Are there even billions of whites in the world?

    • Replies: @Colleen Pater
  186. Wally says:
    @Anonymous

    You are dodging as usual we see.
    See the sources in the links that I gave.
    Science galore.
    And you are a Zionist Jew. Not exactly the most honest people in the world, which the ‘holocaust’ fraud reveals.
    See the ‘holocaust’ scam easily & thoroughly debunked here:

    http://codoh.com

    No name calling, level playing field debate here:

    http://forum.codoh.com

    Science, rational thought, & logic simply demolish the ‘holocaust’ storyline. And that’s why there are Thought Crime Laws that imprison those who engage in free speech about it. Truth is hate to those that hate the truth.

    “Alone the fact that one may not question the Jewish “holocaust” and that Jewish pressure has inflicted laws on democratic societies to prevent questions—while incessant promotion and indoctrination of the same averredly incontestable ‘holocaust’ occur—gives the game away. It proves that it must be a lie. Why else would one not be allowed to question it? Because it might offend the “survivors”? Because it “dishonors the dead”? Hardly sufficient reason to outlaw discussion. No, because the exposure of this leading lie might precipitate questions about so many other lies and cause the whole ramshackle fabrication to crumble.”

    - Gerard Menuhin / a righteous Revisionist Jew, son of famous violinist

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Anonymous
    , @Anonymous
  187. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Wally

    So not a scientist? If you’re not a scientist, then why should anyone believe you actually understand any of what you post that’s scientific? Ever heard of confirmation bias?

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  188. renfro says:
    @biz

    Well this trillion is not in question and this was in 2002—now its probably inching toward 2 trillion in Israel cost.

    Economist tallies swelling cost of Israel to US

    By David R. Francis, Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor December 9, 2002

    https://www.csmonitor.com/2002/1209/p16s01-wmgn.html

    Since 1973, Israel has cost the United States about $1.6 trillion. If divided by today’s population, that is more than $5,700 per person.

    [MORE]

    This is an estimate by Thomas Stauffer, a consulting economist in Washington. For decades, his analyses of the Middle East scene have made him a frequent thorn in the side of the Israel lobby.
    For the first time in many years, Mr. Stauffer has tallied the total cost to the US of its backing of Israel in its drawn-out, violent dispute with the Palestinians. So far, he figures, the bill adds up to more than twice the cost of the Vietnam War.

    And now Israel wants more. In a meeting at the White House late last month, Israeli officials made a pitch for $4 billion in additional military aid to defray the rising costs of dealing with the intifada and suicide bombings. They also asked for more than $8 billion in loan guarantees to help the country’s recession-bound economy.

    Considering Israel’s deep economic troubles, Stauffer doubts the Israel bonds covered by the loan guarantees will ever be repaid. The bonds are likely to be structured so they don’t pay interest until they reach maturity. If Stauffer is right, the US would end up paying both principal and interest, perhaps 10 years out.

    Israel’s request could be part of a supplemental spending bill that’s likely to be passed early next year, perhaps wrapped in with the cost of a war with Iraq.
    Israel is the largest recipient of US foreign aid. It is already due to get $2.04 billion in military assistance and $720 million in economic aid in fiscal 2003. It has been getting $3 billion a year for years.

    Adjusting the official aid to 2001 dollars in purchasing power, Israel has been given $240 billion since 1973, Stauffer reckons. In addition, the US has given Egypt $117 billion and Jordan $22 billion in foreign aid in return for signing peace treaties with Israel.

    “Consequently, politically, if not administratively, those outlays are part of the total package of support for Israel,” argues Stauffer in a lecture on the total costs of US Middle East policy, commissioned by the US Army War College, for a recent conference at the University of Maine.

    These foreign-aid costs are well known. Many Americans would probably say it is money well spent to support a beleagured democracy of some strategic interest. But Stauffer wonders if Americans are aware of the full bill for supporting Israel since some costs, if not hidden, are little known.

    One huge cost is not secret. It is the higher cost of oil and other economic damage to the US after Israel-Arab wars.
    In 1973, for instance, Arab nations attacked Israel in an attempt to win back territories Israel had conquered in the 1967 war. President Nixon resupplied Israel with US arms, triggering the Arab oil embargo against the US.

    That shortfall in oil deliveries kicked off a deep recession. The US lost $420 billion (in 2001 dollars) of output as a result, Stauffer calculates. And a boost in oil prices cost another $450 billion.
    Afraid that Arab nations might use their oil clout again, the US set up a Strategic Petroleum Reserve. That has since cost, conservatively, $134 billion, Stauffer reckons.

    Other US help includes:

    • US Jewish charities and organizations have remitted grants or bought Israel bonds worth $50 billion to $60 billion. Though private in origin, the money is “a net drain” on the United States economy, says Stauffer.

    • The US has already guaranteed $10 billion in commercial loans to Israel, and $600 million in “housing loans.” (See editor’s note below.) Stauffer expects the US Treasury to cover these.

    • The US has given $2.5 billion to support Israel’s Lavi fighter and Arrow missile projects.

    • Israel buys discounted, serviceable “excess” US military equipment. Stauffer says these discounts amount to “several billion dollars” over recent years.

    • Israel uses roughly 40 percent of its $1.8 billion per year in military aid, ostensibly earmarked for purchase of US weapons, to buy Israeli-made hardware. It also has won the right to require the Defense Department or US defense contractors to buy Israeli-made equipment or subsystems, paying 50 to 60 cents on every defense dollar the US gives to Israel.

    US help, financial and technical, has enabled Israel to become a major weapons supplier. Weapons make up almost half of Israel’s manufactured exports. US defense contractors often resent the buy-Israel requirements and the extra competition subsidized by US taxpayers.

    • US policy and trade sanctions reduce US exports to the Middle East about $5 billion a year, costing 70,000 or so American jobs, Stauffer estimates. Not requiring Israel to use its US aid to buy American goods, as is usual in foreign aid, costs another 125,000 jobs.
    • Israel has blocked some major US arms sales, such as F-15 fighter aircraft to Saudi Arabia in the mid-1980s. That cost $40 billion over 10 years, says Stauffer.

    Stauffer’s list will be controversial. He’s been assisted in this research by a number of mostly retired military or diplomatic officials who do not go public for fear of being labeled anti-Semitic if they criticize America’s policies toward Israel.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @biz
  189. Talha says:
    @renfro

    Wow – excellent reference!!! Will share!

    • Replies: @renfro
  190. renfro says:
    @Talha

    yes indeed…pass it on to all you know!!

  191. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @renfro

    Stop digging, especially when you aren’t even in a trench with a way out. Have you forgotten already that it wasn’t Colis but me that you branded an idiot? And do you still not understand that the issue was whether errors may have been made by 1940s witnesses?

    • Replies: @renfro
  192. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Wally

    Why are you trying to wriggle out of something you started? It was you that mentioned the capacity of a sports stadium as if it mattered to your case.

  193. @renfro

    Fair enough to note that survival connotes survival of something dangerous or otherwise bad but why does that have to be in a camp? If Freud hadn’t left for London in good time but had hidden in a Vienna attic till 1945 wouldn’t it be reasonable to call him a survivor?

    • Replies: @renfro
  194. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Wally

    You seem to be replying here to a different Anonymous who has now switched back to Anon after making the same deadly point as I. You are no scientist and run away from any testing argument even when you have raised it yourself as in the case of the LA stadium capacity.
    Why did you think he/she was a Jew, and specifically a Zionist Jew BTW?

  195. @Mike Garrett

    You are right in supposing that those Russian Jews are only about half Semitic in ancient ancestry but why are you content to leave that almost nonsensical Khazar story unexamined. How come they speak a German dialect for starters?

  196. renfro says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Do you want to apply survivor to everyone?…….should it be applied to all those non jews surviving German bombings in Europe?……all those surviving starvation in Russia? …..ally soldiers surviving the war?

    It matters in the case of the Jews because its a con job to extract more $$$ by expanding the definition of survivor .

    None of the other victims of the war got paid. None of the other prisoners in camps got reparations for surviving.

    Its a Jewish con….all about the $$$$$$.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  197. renfro says:
    @Anonymous

    At least we can take that as the starting point for investigation. *Could* the 1940s witnesses have mistaken it, then or in memory, for a Star of David? 100% certainly yes! (After all Colis and colleagues did!).

    And do you still not understand that the issue was whether errors may have been made by 1940s witnesses?

    Please, for gawds sake…..whether errors were made by 1940 witnesses or not has zero to do with Colis claiming the tile she found was a star of david. What the hell do you want to investigate?… its already been proven it was the trademark of the tile maker.

    Its typical Jewish centrictness …oh look, I found a bone it must be jewish!….oh look, I found a piece of cloth, it must be jewish!……oh look, I found a book, there must have been jews here!

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  198. @renfro

    Exactly. Any Jew who died in Europe during the war, of whatever cause, was “killed” by the Germans.

    • Replies: @L.K
  199. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    CNN spin-ster Alisyn Camerotta grilled Republican candidate for Illinois’s 3rd congressional seat, Arthur Jones, accused him of being “a Nazi — you wear Nazi clothes and celebrate Hitler’s birthday. You’re a Nazi!”

    What’s worse, “You deny the holocaust!!!”

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/02/08/cnns_alisyn_camerota_vs_holocaust_denier_running_for_congress_in_illinois_youre_a_nazi.html

    Jones did not acquit himself that well, but god bless him, he said out loud on CNN:

    Yes, I deny the holocaust!”

    There is plenty that Camerotta said that must be countered and refuted.

    Several key concepts demand a national conversation:

    1. Is the holocaust a religious doctrine that must not be denied?
    2. If holocaust is a religious doctrine, shouldn’t it be banished from US public schools?
    3. Isn’t enforcing belief in a religious doctrine — the holocaust — explicitly forbidden by US Constitution?

    I hope an Unz columnist takes on the job of eviscerating Alisyn Camerotta and cranking up a conversation about this unwarranted enforcement of a quasi-religious holocaust dogma. — by pseudo-journalist, of all people, not even a Grand Inquisitor.

  200. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @renfro

    My father could reasonably have been called a survivor of POW camps in a way that German prisoners in England could not (though some might have been called survivors of the Battle of Britain). He lost at least 70 pounds he didn’t need to lose, on a camp diet!

    No doubt there is truth in what you allege about taking advantage of claimed survivorship by some individuals and by organisations but I think more nuance is better thsn none and I invite you to imagine a speaker opening with “Those of us who are Jews who were living on the Continent of Europe on 1st September 1939, though some might quibble and prefer 21st June 1941, could all literally describe ourselves as “survivors” of attempted genocide….”. What should follow? How about “So we are nearly all, at least by inheritance, entitled to compete for the prize endowed by my uncle Shmuel (Sammy to his hunting mates) for the most crass, the most exploitative, fairy tale of survivorship. As a former winner who explained his wealth on the loss of all siblings to typhus or whatever and the inheritance of 5 Picassos I wish you all well in the quest for brutal honest realism or perfect fantasy”.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  201. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Give “survivor” a chance. I doubt if many Jews alive in Europe during WW2 didn’t worry about surviving the war until the Germans had been pushed back towards Germany enough to make them safe.

  202. L.K says:
    @renfro

    Renfro,

    I have not read this one, THE SIX MILLION: FACT OR FICTION?…

    Amazon actually banned the entire holohoax revisionist catalog… someone is afraid…

    I have read several excellent revisionist books but if I had to recommend just one, particularly for people new to the subject, it would be Germar Rudolf’s revised ed. of ‘Lectures on the Holocaust: Controversial Issues Cross Examined’. It used to be available at amazon until the recent ban.
    Download it for free @ http://holocausthandbooks.com/dl/15-loth.pdf
    Very up-to-date, and covering all bases, including the tech stuff, without being too detailed for the avg person.

  203. @L.K

    Indeed, what was striking about the Amazon book-burning is that they used to sell all of these (and other) revisionist books. All of a sudden they put liberal pieties before profit? Not very likely; clearly they were ordered to do this by someone. It is amusing how Trump’s election, even though he is of one of the most obsequiously pro-Israel presidents in US history (and that’s saying something), has set off such panic in the American oligarchy.

  204. @renfro

    The US is learning. Over the years it has fought many wars for many reasons. Since WWII it has had increasing exposure to wars of foreign cultures, including Asia and the Middle East. At first the US was beaten badly in these conflicts, but now it is beginning to get it, tactically and strategically. Have patience.

    • Replies: @renfro
  205. renfro says:
    @L.K

    I never did much research on the camps or holocaust other than many years ago I found the census records for all the countries Germany is said to have rounded up and transported Jews from…..frankly, on those figures alone I didn’t see how the 6 million could be correct.

    I did a bit more on it a couple of years ago after reading some Jewish claims on mondoweiss
    Last I saw Auschwitz officially dropped the 4 million number assigned to that camp down to 1 and 1/2 million.
    That’s a reduction of 2 and 1/2 million off the Jews claimed 6 million jews killed…..so its 3 1/2 million and I don’t think its even that.

    The holocaust industry hasn’t sued the Auschwitz historians yet so they must have had some uncontestable evidence for the reduced number of deaths or the jews would have sued them.

    However they will always lie about it.

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
    , @Anon
  206. renfro says:
    @Neil Templeton

    At first the US was beaten badly in these conflicts, but now it is beginning to get it, tactically and strategically. Have patience

    .

    I don’t see where the US has learned anything…..its still creating and stepping in one shit pile after another at the behest of special and foreign interest.

    Furthermore it might be a good thing if the US lost it all in the ME. Tactics and strategy don’t mean jack shit in the long term…….whatever we force today will be overturned tomorrow…..says old man history.

  207. biz says:
    @renfro

    Haha ok, if you take the annual US aid to Israel, then add in the aid to some other countries, then integrate over 50 years, and then normalize by some CPI factor you can get to a trillion. So when people here claim that annual US aid to Israel is a trillion dollars they aren’t bullshitting. My bad, lol.

    Likewise I could take the deaths that Stalin was responsible for, add in the deaths that Mao and Pol Pot were responsible for, then normalize by the ratio of the population of the world now to the population of the world then and get up to Stalin being responsible for over 200 million deaths! Or I could take the Jewish holocaust (I know, I know, it didn’t happen, but humor me) of 6 million, throw in a bunch of other deaths from WW2, adjust for the difference in the world population then vs. now, and get it up to 100 million! Damn this game is fun.

  208. biz says:
    @Mike Garrett

    The Kahazar hoax – definitely the mark of a serious thinker.

  209. Gerd says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    .
    OK. I accept your argument. And of that follows:

    I am, as a German, frequently told to be ashamed for the Holocaust, despite the fact that even my parents were small children during the war and none of my family had any part in it (some of them, civilists, died though during the bombings and all who survived had to live in communist GDR).
    I went through school, and at least once a year we were walked through some KZ or the other and taught that our forefathers routinely made soap of other people.

    But next time someone tells me “the Germans killed the Jews” I will use your argument:
    It was just Hitler. No one else had to do with it.

    Of course I will not do that. It is a total rubbish argument.

    BTW: Even if the Jews only made up 50% of Lenin’s politburo: what was their share in the general population? 2%? 3%
    We have to be able to talk about history frankly. Even if we unlike some of the facts.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  210. renfro says:

    It can happen in any nation…the wars the US started (Iraq) is an example
    of the governing by fear.

    They Thought They Were Free
    The Germans, 1933-45
    Milton Mayer

    excerpt

    “What happened here was the gradual habituation of the people, little by little, to being governed by surprise; to receiving decisions deliberated in secret; to believing that the situation was so complicated that the government had to act on information which the people could not understand, or so dangerous that, even if the people could not understand it, it could not be released because of national security. And their sense of identification with Hitler, their trust in him, made it easier to widen this gap and reassured those who would otherwise have worried about it.

    “This separation of government from people, this widening of the gap, took place so gradually and so insensibly, each step disguised (perhaps not even intentionally) as a temporary emergency measure or associated with true patriotic allegiance or with real social purposes. And all the crises and reforms (real reforms, too) so occupied the people that they did not see the slow motion underneath, of the whole process of government growing remoter and remoter.
    “The dictatorship, and the whole process of its coming into being, was above all diverting. It provided an excuse not to think for people who did not want to think anyway. I do not speak of your ‘little men,’ your baker and so on; I speak of my colleagues and myself, learned men, mind you. Most of us did not want to think about fundamental things and never had. There was no need to. Nazism gave us some dreadful, fundamental things to think about—we were decent people—and kept us so busy with continuous changes and ‘crises’ and so fascinated, yes, fascinated, by the machinations of the ‘national enemies,’ without and within, that we had no time to think about these dreadful things that were growing, little by little, all around us. Unconsciously, I suppose, we were grateful. Who wants to think?

    “To live in this process is absolutely not to be able to notice it—please try to believe me—unless one has a much greater degree of political awareness, acuity, than most of us had ever had occasion to develop. Each step was so small, so inconsequential, so well explained or, on occasion, ‘regretted,’ that, unless one were detached from the whole process from the beginning, unless one understood what the whole thing was in principle, what all these ‘little measures’ that no ‘patriotic German’ could resent must some day lead to, one no more saw it developing from day to day than a farmer in his field sees the corn growing. One day it is over his head.

    “How is this to be avoided, among ordinary men, even highly educated ordinary men? Frankly, I do not know. I do not see, even now. Many, many times since it all happened I have pondered that pair of great maxims, Principiis obsta and Finem respice—‘Resist the beginnings’ and ‘Consider the end.’ But one must foresee the end in order to resist, or even see, the beginnings. One must foresee the end clearly and certainly and how is this to be done, by ordinary men or even by extraordinary men? Things might have. And everyone counts on that might.”

    • Replies: @anonymous
  211. @renfro

    If you want to come to approximate number take the population of major European cities of the time.
    Exclude Austria Swiss Sweden, and Finland.
    Take 25%. of that number. That would be the approximate number of Jews in the camps. (maximum)
    I do not think that would come even close to six million.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @anonymous
  212. L Bean says:
    @bandw

    Jewish radicalism from Jews living in Muslim world..

    Literally, Israel?

  213. L.K says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    Any Jew who died in Europe during the war, of whatever cause, was “killed” by the Germans

    Not only Jews btw… all excess deaths in the Soviet Union during the war, a war the Stalinist regime was heavily responsible for, are pinned on NS Germany.

    Vae victis!

  214. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Let a Jew, actually a former Jew and American Patriot, tell you the truth!

  215. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova

    Why exclude Austria? FYI, the five million Jews of the USSR were mostly never put in camps. Nor were perhaps half a million Polish Jews. Three million Jews at most died in camps.

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
  216. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @renfro

    The six million figure never included a four million figure from Auschwitz.

    • Replies: @renfro
  217. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova

    what’s the basis for these percentages?

    sounds like pulling numbers out of the air.

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
  218. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @renfro

    It’s surprising you give Mayer so much credence, renfro.

    I wouldn’t.

    He wrote/published in 1955, when it you could make big money continuing the campaign of demonizing Germany.

  219. @Anon

    Jews in Austria were not touched. I should have included also Serbia their Jews did have Serbian support.
    Most of the Jews in Serbia had a possibility to hide. Also very small number of Hungarian Jews died.
    Hungarian Jews started to be persecuted when Russian army already crossed the the border of Hungary.
    Five million Russian Jews is also exaggeration. I would estimate according the numbers I did get in the end of fifties was below three million.

    • Replies: @Anon
  220. @anonymous

    Most of the Jews of Europe did live in Capital cities. In capital cities they had a Jewish quarter.
    To exaggerate I took 25 % of the city size. They were Jews in smaller cities but they had a chance to hide through friend or they paid for lodging and food.
    Anyway the number is approximation but it is certainly the upper limit.

  221. renfro says:

    I use it only because it does describes so well how populations are brought along into wars and ventures they aren’t prepared to accept the worst case scenario for.
    Not as example of whether Germany was right or wrong.

    We are currently being ‘brought along’ in the ME…..read up on what our military is up to right now……I recommend Col Pat Lang’s blog.

  222. renfro says:
    @Anon

    Yes it did…so says the holocaust museum.

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
    , @Anon
  223. @renfro

    There is half a point there, the 4M number referred to “Jews and Communists” and at least some in the West recognized it as Soviet propaganda, e.g. Hilberg put the number at about 1M. But of course there’s no real basis for that number either (recall Hoess, the camp commandant, was tortured into “confessing” to 2.5M), hence the need to claim there were “unregistered” prisoners who were unfit for work and sent to the gas chambers upon arrival (except of course people like Ann Frank who had typhus and was transferred to Bergen-Belsen where she died, or Elie Wiesel’s elderly father who was in the infirmary and left with his son when given the choice of evacuating with the Germans or staying to await the Red Army).

    The main point is, the death toll for Auschwitz has been continually revised downward, I believe even some Israeli researchers put the death toll at 500K. To me a more interesting absurdity is Majdanek, where the Soviets claimed 1.4M were killed. The officially accepted number is now around 70K total, with half of those being Jews. And yes, the 6M remains fixed, with balances being shifted aroudn as necessary between the camps and Einzatgruppen shootings, etc.

  224. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @renfro

    No it doesn’t. You don’t know what you’re talking about.

  225. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova

    Jews from Vienna were deported to Riga and Minsk along with Jews in other large German cities in September 1941. This is not disputed.

    The Nazis themselves counted 5 million Jews in the USSR not including the Baltic States, half of them in Ukraine.

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  226. @Anon

    You’re referring to the estimate in the Wannsee Protocol?

  227. Yes I do understand. Stupidities usually are not disputed.

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
  228. @biz

    ok typo police ( is there a lower form of faggtry?) there are aproximately a billion of us, had not the leftist revolutions , world wars and neocon wars happened there would no doubt be another billion. had we instead 100 years come to understand that raising the lower races up was a fools errand and instead recognized evolution had revealed the universe was our for the taking and we had instead relegated the lower races to wildlife preserves of the cultural /technological states we first found them. their would be billions more of us, without the trillions in treasure and worse cognitin we have wasted on the stupid diversity movement we could by now have moved mars into near earth orbit and terraformed it.

  229. @Ilyana_Rozumova

    This comment was meant to idiot Anon.

  230. @Gerd

    I am, as a German, frequently told to be ashamed for the Holocaust, despite the fact that even my parents were small children during the war and none of my family had any part in it (some of them, civilists, died though during the bombings and all who survived had to live in communist GDR).

    Collective guilt is bs. It simply does not exist & is nothing more than a tool in instilling a sense of impotence & vulnerability in one’s enemy (Germans in this case). This applies not only to younger Germans, but also to all Germans of any age, wherever & whenever they had lived.

    As for Jews, there had been ca. 3 million of them in what had become Soviet Union. They were over-represented (although- not if we count urban population); just, Poles, Letts, … were even more over-represented, having in mind they were living, mostly, outside of the future Soviet Union.

    • Replies: @Paw
  231. Hibernian says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova

    Offspring of the exiles settled in NYC, Chicago, SF, etc. In Chicago their churches are small and few in number.

  232. Hibernian says:
    @Jake

    Gonna convert em’ all, Jake? Will they accept Pope Francis as The Vicar of Christ on the Earth?

  233. Hibernian says:
    @Wyatt Pendleton

    WASPS are not as emotional as Jews and lean more towards social ostracization rather than emotional outbursts.

  234. Paw says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Problem with Stalin. He was the one who worked hard. And others talk and write …just mucking around after defeat of Whites.

  235. Paw says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Germans as single people have so many qualities. All together, horror. Probably , judging by now / Merkel-Mengele, Schulze/ they are determined to destroy our world. Again.
    Wehrmacht on the Russian Border, AGAIN !

  236. Walter says:
    @jilles dykstra

    Is the city you mention “Nuremberg”? It’s always embarrasing to read comments when people cannot even get basic names and locations correct.

    Also, you were wrong about the religion of the interrogators. They were US defense lawyers and not one of the lead investigators was of the Jewish religion. You must get your facts correct @Seamus Padraig.

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