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Celebrity intellectual Jordan Peterson has written a blog post, “’On the So-Called ‘Jewish Question’,” the inner quotes indicating he doesn’t think this is a real issue—something that only “reactionary conspiracy theorists” would propose. His blog includes a link to Nathan Cofnas’s criticism of The Culture of Critique. No links to my replies—which may provide a clue about his intellectual honesty.

Indeed, one must wonder about the seriousness of someone who thinks he can settle an issue that has gotten the attention of some of the most celebrated thinkers in Western history with an 1100-word blog post.

Peterson has become popular because of his courage and knowledge in opposing political correctness. He stands up for men and for individual responsibility. To his credit he achieved celebrity status via social media, not as a creature of the mainstream media. Much of his stature rests on his use of scientific data in his argruments. I and many others certainly appreciate this approach; and he is particularly cogent in discussing sex differences and gender politics. There is not enough of this in public discourse.

However, my confidence in Peterson’s trustworthiness was shaken by his shoddy treatment of the Jewish Question, including name-calling directed at my own work. This is part of his broader offensive against identitarians, people who defend their group interests. For Peterson there are only individual interests (a bit strange for someone who approves of evolutionary biology, a subdiscipline that encompasses kin selection theory and, for humans, cultural group selection). For Peterson to admit there is a Jewish Question would be to concede the reality of group interests—not only families but religions, ethnic groups, and nations.

In the West, failure to acknowledge group interests is suicidal for its traditional European-derived populations. As a result of the imposition of massive non-White immigration and multiculturalism by elites unresponsive to popular attitudes, the traditional populations of these societies are slated to become minorities in lands they have dominated for hundreds, and in the case of Europe, thousands of years. In the West, these migrants have typically established identitarian groups intent on pursuing their group interests and with increasing power to do so as the traditional European-derived populations (which uniquely produced individualist societies) dwindle. While I would love to live in a European-derived individualist society, under such circumstances it is suicidal to pursue an individualist strategy as things are now. And unless there is drastic change, it will only get worse in the future.

Those preaching an individualist ideology fly under the radar of political correctness because they eschew White identitarianism. But, if present trends continue, the individualist culture of the West will become a distant memory as these new peoples assume power in collaboration with White social justice warriors who are already championing the very policies that Peterson abhors. Already in the U.S. the non-White voting share of the Democrat Party is 44%, and this will only increase in coming years as the Congressionally approved yearly influx of more than one million continues. The faith of the individualist is that these newcomers will readily become good Westerners and that the ethnic politics that looms so large now will become a thing of the past—a fateful gamble that will end in disaster as politics becomes increasingly racialized (~60% of Whites vote Republican, and Whites account for 90% of GOP votes), achievement differences among the various groups become a potent source of political friction, and there are declines in social cohesion and willingness to contribute to public goods. These changes are disastrous for the traditional White majorities of the West.

Peterson presents a case that Jewish IQ can explain all aspects of Jewish achievement and influence, using an estimate of Ashkenazi IQ in the 112–115 range (and using 115 in his calculations)—somewhat higher than Richard Lynn’s estimate of 110–112. He argues that Jews are discriminated against in admissions to elite universities, citing this Newsweek article. But the article discusses only discrimination against Jews “early in the last century”—certainly true. But what does that have to do with the present?

In fact, Jews are very substantially overrepresented at elite universities even correcting for achievement scores, as demonstrated by Ron Unz, (summarized here). Unz describes Jewish intellectual decline, as measured by performance on a wide range of competitions, from the National Merit Scholarship competition (which emphasizes verbal achievement, a traditional Jewish strength), to math and science prizes. In explaining these findings, Unz points to increasing Jewish complacency and lack of effort, supporting his argument by noting that some recent Jewish standouts have been more likely to be immigrants from the former Soviet Union and therefore more likely to be highly motivated. One gets the image of third- and fourth-generation Jews, born to wealth and a sense of entitlement, seeing no need to work hard to ascend to elite status—and being quite correct in that assessment. Further, he notes that an increasing percentage of Jews come from the Orthodox, a group with relatively low IQ.

On the basis of academic achievement, Unz estimates that Jews should be around 6% of top students, far lower than the ~25% found at Ivy League universities, terming this gap “totally absurd and ridiculous.” “Over the last decade or two, meritocracy and Jewish numbers have become opposing forces: the stricter the meritocratic standard, the fewer the Jews admitted.”

Using an IQ of 130 (which may be a good measure for a meritocratic admission to an elite school) and assuming a high estimate for mean Jewish IQ of 115, 2.1% of the White population would score above 130 while 15.8% of Jewish Americans would. This yields 4.2 million Whites and 948000 Jews with IQ≥130, assuming along with Peterson that there are 200,000,000 Whites and 6,000,000 Jews. This indicates that Whites should outnumber Jews approximately 4.3 to 1 at these institutions. If you took the top 1% as a good measure (IQ = ~135), these results would be less striking, but remember, these results are calculated using a measure of average Jewish IQ that is at the high end of estimates.

But in fact, the percentages in the Ivy League as tabulated by Unz are about equal.

Peterson makes his case by using a cutoff of IQ ≥ 145 which lessens the Jewish/non-Jewish ratio substantially but is irrelevant, not only to the great majority of elite university admissions, but also to the great majority of jobs in elite sectors of the economy. Moreover, taking billionaires as an indication of high IQ (>145) is problematic because Peterson fails to produce evidence that billionaires are typically in that very high IQ range. A study by Jonathan Wai found that 57% of billionaires went to elite universities (which Wai interprets as suggesting an IQ in the top 1%) and 88% graduated from college—hardly indicative that billionaires as a group average 3 standard deviations above the White mean in IQ (≥ 99.87% of the population).

Further, some industries have vast Jewish overrepresentation that cannot be explained by higher Jewish average IQ. All five of the major Hollywood studios were owned by Jews during the first decades of the movie industry—a monopoly by any other name. And although the industry has become more complex in recent decades, Jews retain a predominant position in the media, both in terms of ownership and production, and this has documentable influence on media content in line with the attitudes of the mainstream Jewish community and to the left of the wider culture (here, xlvi–lvi).

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Linking Jewish liberalism to the personality trait of Openness is problematic because liberalism is not a notable characteristic of Jews in Israel where parties on the left are miniscule. Meretz, which takes positions similar to mainstream Democratic and Labour politicians, polls around 4%. I realize that Israelis on average have a lower IQ than Ashkenazi Jews in the U.S., but surely this cannot explain the general lack of attraction of Israeli Jews to liberalism.

Regarding the personality trait of Openness, Peterson’s claims are not based on studies of Jews but on general findings in the literature, typically based on the responses of university students; these are then extrapolated to Jews. In general, while there are significant correlations between IQ and Openness, they do not explain much of the variance. For example, a paper co-authored by Peterson found a correlation of .30 between Openness and g and correlations ranging between .11 and .30 between g and the 6 facets of Openness, with an average of .2.[1]Colin DeYoung, Jordan Peterson, and Daniel Higgins, “Sources of Openness/Intellect,” Journal of Personality 73, no. 4 (August, 2005): 825–858. This means that at the high end, the correlation explains around 9% of the variance in Openness; among the facets the range is between 1% and 9%, with an average of 4%. This means that knowing someone has a high IQ is a poor predictor that the person is also high on Openness.[2]The highest correlations for the facets (.28 and .30) are for Values and Ideas respectively. People on the high end of Values are politically liberal, while people on the low end are more likely to endorse rigid beliefs, such as the belief in one true religion. People high on Ideas like confronting complex problems. The same data are presented in this paper, cited by Peterson in his blog.

Moreover, the general take-home message of The Culture of Critique is that the movements I describe were not open to innovative ideas or disconfirming evidence. Participants slavishly worshiped charismatic leaders, like Freud, Boas, Trotsky, and Luxemburg; they formed mutual admiration societies by citing and promoting each other. Dissenters were simply expelled or ignored.

Such behavior fits well with the dynamics of historical Jewish groups in traditional European societies. These were characterized by strong tendencies toward authoritarianism, with the rabbi literally having life-and-death power over his group. This authoritarian atmosphere was also a prominent aspect of the Jewish intellectual and political movements discussed in The Culture of Critique. Rather than being open to empirical inquiry and experimentation, dissenters from orthodox positions, such as Freud’s proposed Oedipal Complex, were simply expelled and often defamed in the process. These were all movements connected to the Jewish left.

Historically the Jewish left has not distinguished itself by tolerance or promotion of civil liberties. One need only think of the high Jewish participation rate in communist and communist front organizations through the 1950s, and their role as an elite in the Soviet Union during the period after the Bolshevik Revolution at least through the 1930s—the highpoints of mass murder, ethnic deportations, and political repression. In this regard it’s interesting that the left in the U.S. and elsewhere in the West is increasingly authoritarian, especially on college campuses where dissenters are publicly shamed and harassed, and dissenting speakers are forced to cancel or are greeted with disruptive, often violent demonstrations­ from the left—hardly a sign of Openness as traditionally understood. Liberals cheer as White identitarians are de-platformed, and broadly defined “hate speech” is increasingly subject to legal penalties in Western Europe and to informal but nevertheless effect sanctions in the U.S. Such laws—which hardly fit with the classically liberal society championed by Peterson—have been promoted by Jewish organizations throughout the West.

In general, Jewish political attitudes have not been correlated with social class in a similar manner to non-Jews (“Jews earn like Episcopalians [actually more], but vote like Puerto Ricans,” as Milton Himmelfarb had it). The gap between economic interests and political ideology dates at least from the 1920s. Indeed, for the entire period from 1921 to 1961, Jews on the Central Committee of the CPUSA were much more likely to have middle-class, professional backgrounds and were much more likely to have joined prior to the economic difficulties of the Great Depression. Further, New Left radical students during the 1960sn came disproportionately from highly educated and affluent families. Even successful Jewish capitalists have tended to adopt political beliefs to the left of the beliefs of their gentile counterparts.

Or consider Charles Silberman’s comments on the attraction of Jews to “the Democratic party . . . with its traditional hospitality to non-WASP ethnic groups. . . . A distinguished economist who strongly disagreed with [presidential candidate Walter] Mondale’s economic policies voted for him nonetheless. ‘I watched the conventions on television,’ he explained, ‘and the Republicans did not look like my kind of people.’ That same reaction led many Jews to vote for Carter in 1980 despite their dislike of him; ‘I’d rather live in a country governed by the faces I saw at the Democratic convention than by those I saw at the Republican convention,’ a well-known author told me” ((A Certain People, 347–348).

This indicates that other reasons must be explored for understanding the Jewish attraction to the left, in particular how Jews see themselves and the wider society. Treatments of Jewish identity among leftists (discussed in Chapter 3 of The Culture of Critique) indicate complex and even self-deceptive Jewish identities. A common theme, apparent, for example, in Norman Podhoretz’s Why Are Jews Liberals? is the “lachrymose” view of Jewish history. This perception of Jewish history is a fixture of Jewish education and self-identity. In this view, Jewish history in the West has been one long veil of tears, from the Roman destruction of the Second Temple, through the expulsions of the Middle Ages, the Russian pogroms of the late nineteenth century, culminating in the Holocaust. The main motivation for the Jewish intellectual movements discussed in The Culture of Critique was the utility of these movements in combating anti-Semitism. During the 1920s and 1930s, a major reason for widespread Jewish attraction to the Soviet Union and communism was because anti-Semitism was outlawed in the USSR and Jews were well-known to have prominent positions throughout elite echelons in the society.

Simply having a relatively high IQ does not imply the sort of adversarial culture that is described in CofC. Whereas there has been a strong trend for Jews to have a very large influence on the media, on the creation of culture, on information in the social sciences and humanities, and on the political process, this has not happened with the Oveseas Chinese in Southeast Asia despite their dominating position in the economies of the region and their high average IQ. The Chinese have not formed a cultural elite in Southeast Asian countries and have not been concentrated in media ownership or in the construction of culture.

The following passage describing the political attitudes of the Overseas Chinese in Thailand could never have applied to Jews in Western societies since the Enlightenment:

But few seem to know or indeed to care about the restrictions on citizenship, nationality rights, and political activities in general, nor are these restrictions given much publicity in the Chinese press. This merely points up the fact, recognized by all observers, that the overseas Chinese are primarily concerned with making a living, or amassing a fortune, and thus take only a passive interest in the formal political life of the country in which they live.[3]Coughlin, R. J. (1960). Double Identity: The Chinese in Modern Thailand. Hong Kong and London: Hong Kong University Press and Oxford University Press, 169.

I conclude that Peterson’s analysis is inadequate to account for important aspects of Jewish achievement and involvement in the cultures of the West. I have often said that it would not matter that Jews are an elite if they had the same interests as the traditional peoples and cultures of the societies they live in. Given their high IQ and other traits and proclivities (including ethnic networking), they are bound to be successful in Western-type societies. The problem is that the Jewish elite have not adopted positions that are in the interest of the traditional European-derived peoples of the West and their cultures, particularly with respect to immigration and multiculturalism — an effort that continues into the present and characterizes the entire organized Jewish community. Peterson’s analysis is inadequate fundamentally because it ignores Jewish perceptions of their identity and how these perceptions intersect with Jewish involvement with the left in diaspora societies.

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Peterson bows down to the powers that be and has grown wealthy in the process. He is the sort of “rebel” the multicultural elites like, one who participates in their censorship of those who would reveal the power of these elites and their hostility to Western peoples and cultures.

When Peterson begins to weep for our people, we can be assured he is a champion of truth


References

[1] Colin DeYoung, Jordan Peterson, and Daniel Higgins, “Sources of Openness/Intellect,” Journal of Personality 73, no. 4 (August, 2005): 825–858.

[2] The highest correlations for the facets (.28 and .30) are for Values and Ideas respectively. People on the high end of Values are politically liberal, while people on the low end are more likely to endorse rigid beliefs, such as the belief in one true religion. People high on Ideas like confronting complex problems. The same data are presented in this paper, cited by Peterson in his blog.

[3] Coughlin, R. J. (1960). Double Identity: The Chinese in Modern Thailand. Hong Kong and London: Hong Kong University Press and Oxford University Press, 169.

(Republished from The Occidental Observer by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. Marija says:

    His paper son Yugoslavia and Soviet Union that deal with history and politics are atrocious. Just mainstream propaganda justified with some applied psychology (never mind the facts and basic assumptions are false)

  2. utu says:

    When Peterson begins to weep for our people, we can be assured he is a champion of truth

    Prof MacDonald hit a false note here unless his imagined audience has been reduced to “our people” only. I think he should broaden his target. Nobody wants Peterson to weep. His ethnic affinity and ethnic politics is his business just like it is Prof. MacDonald’s business and it has no place in scientific dispute. Peterson’s duty is to adhere to scientific integrity. Peterson is either not honest or his understanding of what is known about IQ distributions and Jewish overrepresentation is inadequate. Who he weeps for or not does not matter.

    All arguments presented here by Prof. MacDonald are correct, however if one wants to engage in a battle with propaganda tube that Peterson has become the presentation should be forceful to get Peterson’s attention and put him on defensive. One could start with the title: “IQ insufficient to explain gross Jewish overrepresentation: Jewish social networking the best kept secret” or something that really shouts and grabs your attention. This should follow with examples of overrepresentation from Ron Unz papers and calculation for three scenarios of Jewish IQ: 105, 110 and 115 and statistics for Jewish fraction among top students that Ron Unz likes to quote which suggests that high IQ estimate are not really congruent with the Jewish fraction among top students. And then it should repeated the message ad nauseam. Ultimately it is not about science debate where reasonable and cultured people can settle arguments by citing past work w/o spelling it out. This is about counteraction to meme creation. The meme that has to be counteracted is the meme of Jewish intellectual supremacy that justifies Jewish dominance and power.

  3. Afina says:

    Vox Day has done a good job of deconstructing Jordan Peterson. The guy is a fraud.

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  4. utu says:
    @Afina

    I hit agree meaning that I got a very negative vibe first time I heard/saw him on YT and thought he was shallow high strung fraud. But I am no familiar with what Vox Day did.

    • Agree: Mike P
  5. Fuddu says:

    Just got rejected from a masters program at UT Austin and lo and behold, majority of the admissions committee is Jewish. Go figure, I guess if I had just done a tour in the Israeli army and beat the living shit out of some Palestinians, maybe they would’ve considered my app like they do for the other Jews who get in.

  6. JP is just the gateway, people start with JP but if they dig a little deeper and have an interest in the truth they will end up on our side

    JP has his faults but is doing good work

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  7. utu says:
    @Fuddu

    It would be interesting to see ethnic composition among faculties. Once I looked at faculty of Harvard and Georgetown law departments and they seemed to be like 70% Jewish. I would love to be able to test their fabulous IQs.

    • Agree: Che Guava
  8. JP=Jordan Peterson

    JP=Jewish Problem

    a coincidence?

    I think not.

  9. ’57% of billionaires went to elite universities (which Wai interprets as suggesting an IQ in the top 1%) and 88% graduated from college’

    Interesting that most money-grubbers, usurers, and general shitbags are university grads. To my recollection, it seems many, if not most, of the great artists were dropouts of one stripe or another. But no, IQ is all, it is literally the only measure of life itself, no room for imagination, rebellion, creativity. Can anyone, anyone?, conceive in some remote recess of their megabrain beauty, sadness, shame?

    I haven’t finished this article, but will say I agree with its premise, and in the brief two or three times I’ve attempted to watch Peterson on youtube I’ve come away fuming. Whiney-sounded Canadian with a colossal ego, prancing around a stage, presuming to enlighten us on say the Bible for, what, 30 hours? Also, I’m 100% in agreement with McDonald: ‘Indeed, one must wonder about the seriousness of someone who thinks he can settle an issue that has gotten the attention of some of the most celebrated thinkers in Western history with an 1100-word blog post.’

  10. @utu

    ‘Jewish intellectual supremacy that justifies Jewish dominance and power.’

    ……In the Jewish mind. Cuz it’s all–all–about money money money, and in turn the power over others it brings. They do love this system, don’t they? Beauty wiped clear off the face of the earth, replaced by logos, social media, iphones, shite music, unspeakable ‘culture’.

  11. Pretty interesting that Jewish intellectuals figured out who they would vote for by looking at pictures on the television. For a smart race of people, sometimes they seem very shallow.

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  12. This is to Ron Unz, if you’re skimming comments, rather than to Mr. MacDonald, who may not either. After the other day’s exchange of comments, I now see what you are talking about with Mr. Peterson. I guess he mouths off about a lot of stuff, and that’s the problem, really. He made the big-time, or what passes for that in 2018, but he should stick to his area of opinion that he has become known for.

    I still maintain that it’s great this guy is around to enlighten young men (older ones have learned) on the evils of feminism. One can just ignore the rest of his opinions and just take the good advice. Like I wrote before, he’s not a public official, at least. I don’t at all blame the author here, Mr. MacDonald, of course, for rebutting Mr. Peterson by any means. I agree with Mr. MacDonald, from what I’ve read here.

    I especially like the part in which he explains succinctly that an individualist society is going to lose when getting mixed with a bunch of people from tribal societies, resulting in the loss of any type of individualist culture completely (which was the reason for the tribal-cultured people moving in to begin with – oh, the irony!)

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  13. Boas and the early marxists told us that race was a “social construct” so that we would open our borders.

    Now the Jews say, “Oh well, we’ve replaced white people and wrecked every nation in the western world, and it turns out that race matters after all! We Jews are just smarter! Too bad for you!”

    And the Jews wonder why people hate them?

  14. Troperov says:
    @Bragadocious

    They are usually shallow, but agile and clever. Whitehead understood his Jewish students very well.

  15. As a strong anti-Zionist who is quite “woke” on the JQ, I am hesitant to contribute to feelings of Jewish supremacism, but I consider a commitment to intellectual honesty to be paramount.

    Looking at Mr. Unz’s data table, it is apparent that Jews are over-represented in the Ivy League universities relative to their nation-wide numbers. However, it seems to me that another important explanatory variable in determining where someone goes to college is location. People tend to want to attend college not too far from home. My understanding is that Jews are heavily concentrated in certain geographical areas of the United States, particularly in NYC and key areas of the NE coast. Looking at the table again, we see that the Jewish percentages are much higher on the east coast schools (with the exception of MIT) in comparison with the elite west coast schools. To accurately assess the degree of Jewish “over-representation” we need to compare Jewish enrollment in the Ivy League not in relation to their nation-wide numbers, but in relation to their representation in the populations near those schools. It seems to me that after controlling for both IQ and location, the degree of Jewish over-representation in the elite east coast schools is not as nefarious as it might initially appear.

    A less important observation of mine is that the lowest Jewish representation on the east coast is at MIT, and the lowest Jewish representation on the west coast is at Caltech. From my, admittedly scant, reading about IQ, the Jewish-gentile IQ gap tends to pertain to verbal IQ and not so much to spatial intelligence. It is the latter that would be more crucial to the hard sciences for which MIT and Caltech are known, which I think explains why Jews don’t tend to gravitate to those schools.

    These observations notwithstanding, I tend to agree that Jews are over-represented in particular fields such as media and finance in substantial part due to ethnic networking. Jews appear to be much more tribal than other ethnic groups, to the point of collective narcissism (God’s chosen?), and their grip over the United States has much more to do with how they use their intelligence and wealth in a united fashion to advance what they perceive to be the interests of the Tribe. To be sure, it wasn’t Jewish IQ that got Netanyahu 29 standing ovations from congress.

  16. FKA Max says: • Website
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    Thank you to Mr. Unz for publishing this article.

    It seems to me that after controlling for both IQ and location, the degree of Jewish over-representation in the elite east coast schools is not as nefarious as it might initially appear.

    I offered a counter-argument to this point, which Andrew Gelman and Nathan Cofnas had made as well:

    Both Cofnas and Gelman keep emphasizing geography as one of the main explanations for Jewish overrepresentation at Harvard, Yale, etc.

    What they don’t seem to factor in though, is that the Haredi community is almost exclusively based in the Northeast and they, currently, make up about 10% of the total U.S. Jewish population, therefore they are about 20% of the northeastern Jewish population.
    [...]
    Most American Haredi Jews live in the greater New York metropolitan area.
    [...]
    Since Haredi Jews mostly don’t attend regular universities and pursue religious rather than intellectual/scientific studies, even though they are mostly based in “major urban centers”, at least 10% of the Jewish community, in the northeastern United States and in the United Kingdom likely closer to 20%, would not apply to elite universities, which makes the Jewish overrepresentation at the Ivy League, etc. even starker than Mr. Unz documented

    http://www.unz.com/article/judaism-as-a-group-evolutionary-strategy/#comment-2263615

    P.s.:

    The myth of Jordan Peterson’s integrity

    http://voxday.blogspot.com/2018/04/the-myth-of-jordan-petersons-integrity.html

    Archived link: http://archive.is/9ql3I

    http://www.unz.com/runz/the-myth-of-american-meritocracy/#comment-2306008

    Ricardo Duchesne – Conservative Gatekeepers Jordan Peterson, Steven Pinker & Jonathan Haidt

    Source: http://www.unz.com/article/what-the-alt-right-gets-wrong-about-jews/#comment-2257787

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  17. FKA Max says: • Website
    @FKA Max

    Peterson presents a case that Jewish IQ can explain all aspects of Jewish achievement and influence, using an estimate of Ashkenazi IQ in the 112–115 range (and using 115 in his calculations)—somewhat higher than Richard Lynn’s estimate of 110–112.

    From Vox Day‘s blog:

    John Fuerst of the Ulster Institute weighs in on the myth of the 115 mean IQ being pushed by Jordan Peterson, among others, with a pair of comments here:
    [...]
    There is year to year variability. But it is safe to say that on international math, reading, and science exams, Israeli Jews do no better than Whites in typical Western countries. Note, these figures exclude most Haredi Jews who both do rather poor on exams (see the Taub Center’s reports) and who are around 80% Ashk. Thus, the testing samples tend to be less Ashk than the general population, but the excluded Ashk are substantially less proficient than average.)

    Thus, as Vox notes, if one argues that Ashk Israeli come in at around 115, one has to maintain that non-Ashk Jews come in around 85. Yet, this latter conjecture is inconsistent with the variance among Jews (e.g., Figure 2, 2017 paper) and, more notably, the national scores at the 98th percentile (e.g., Figure 4, 2017 paper), a point which can be shown quantitatively. The relatively high standard deviation among Israeli Jews (about 93 versus the American White 83) does suggest subgroup differences, though.

    Of course, one could make ad hoc accounts for why Ashk Jews in Israel seemingly do worse that Ashk Jews in the U.S. and ad hoc accounts for why the meta-analytic American Jewish IQ is closer to 5 IQ points above the White mean than 15. But, at this point, we are just adding epicycles.
    [...]
    If the mean Jewish Israeli IQ is about 100 normed on a typical White sample, the mean Ashk Israeli IQ would seem to be about 106.
    [...]
    For the record, John Fuerst is a serious scholar in the field of human intelligence. He knows as much about this stuff as anyone else, and certainly more than the long-dead scholars who cherry-picked test results from first-graders more than sixty years ago.

    http://voxday.blogspot.com/2018/04/mailvox-expert-witness.html Archived link: http://archive.is/wWiHY

    Another comment from John Fuerst in the comments thread of that blog post:

    Regarding Peterson, it is troubling that he would apparently cherry pick IQ scores and then take his estimate either as proof or very strong evidence of nonexistent Jewish ethnic networking and, worse, belittle those who disagree. In the case of ethnic and racial differences, one typically expects: (a) estimates based on systematic reviews (b) the establishment of a lack of significant psychometric bias (c) research showing IQ differences can statistically explain outcome differences (d) research showing that IQ differences can causally explain outcome differences e.g., using longitudinal data, (e) and, finally, evidence that IQ differences are not due to some sort of unfair social privilege of the previous generations. For example, despite knowing (a) to (d) in the case of the B/W US difference, I don’t rule out discrimination models. This is why we are acquiring genetic data to do a straight out admixture mapping study (to see if the association between IQ and African genetic ancestry is highest on regions associated with racial-phenotype, neural functioning, etc.).
    [...]
    This is why Peterson’s approach is so odd. He adopts a “race realist” argument, but then also SJW tactics and rhetoric. On some level, he must realize that the “Jewish Question” — that is, what to do when Jewish concern about ethnic group continuity and Jewish behavior to shape host cultures and politics to support their ethnos conflicts with gentile concern for ethnic group continuity — exposes the inhumanity of his anti-identity polemics. For were he consistent, he would have to denounce Jewish identity and identity politics. But since he can not bring himself to be so, he has to deny that Jews behave as an ethnic group. They are, for him, just high IQ gentiles with some funny habits — not a people with a strong ethnic identity, many of whom engage in identity politics out of the reasonable concern for group survival.

    http://voxday.blogspot.com/2018/04/mailvox-expert-witness.html#c1375766171959444061

  18. You have to understand who Jordan Peterson is. He is a classical liberal with a smattering of intellect and common sense – and he’s gone public with it right in the heart of the lunatic hive of progressive SJW political correctness. He can accept that Joos may have higher presence on the high end of the IQ spectrum but bogs at the equally obvious data that pretty much explains the predominance of blacks on the lower end.

    The reason Jordan receives the recognition he does is that he is one of theirs – not one of ours. He is reaching and turning people that would dismiss cretins like Vox Day, Milo Yabbadabbadopolis and Cerno as fascists, haters, racists and other heretics rather than the idiots they are.

    I can see why the left would fall over themselves to burn him at the stake. But our response to him should be along the lines of “he’s another liberal that got mugged by reality…” And as far as liberals go these days… Jordan is a huge step up from the swine and scum that end of the political spectrum produces these days. Shut it, let the man run. He is an asset to us.

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    , @HamishH
    , @Anon
  19. Most people aren’t in an environment, such as academe, where Jewish people are prominent and assert their superiority over non-Jews. I got this from one of my dissertation directors who never ceased to tell me that as a non-Jew, I had grown up in an inferior environment and had inferior heritage, and that’s why I had to work so hard, where Jewish students had a much easier time because of their innate superiority. Of course, he was Jewish – secular, not religious – but what’s interesting is that none of his students were Jewish – in fact, he had none in his group and there were very few in the department as a whole. The Jewish people in that university tended to gravitate towards the soft sciences and the liberal arts, for some reason – perhaps arguing about doctrinal points in midrash in shul predisposed them towards those areas. Peterson is not a hard science guy, so a lot of his colleagues are probably Jewish. If he started talking about the “Jewish Question”, he’d be in a lot more trouble than he is already in, and I think he knows this, and so he avoids it entirely. He does a lot of good work and it should not be dismissed.

    • Replies: @utu
  20. utu says:
    @streamfortyseven

    For some reason I do not believe you. I think you are making it all up. You are a troll or at best just utterly lost sleepwalking fool.

    • Replies: @streamfortyseven
  21. @utu

    Are you aware of any risky, novel predictions that the hypothesis makes? Or does it only explain what it was designed to explain making it a just-so story?

  22. @Fuddu

    Post hoc, ergo propter hoc.

  23. Anonymous[392] • Disclaimer says:
    @(((They))) Live

    Sounds like wishful thinking.

    He is just another Alex Jones which is useless. Glad you enjoyed his spundbites.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  24. Ron Unz says:

    Well, given the topic under discussion, I’ll repeat my link to Richard Lynn’s ultra-comprehensive table of Jewish-American IQ samples, which really doesn’t support the IQ=115 “urban legend”:

    http://www.unz.com/book/richard_lynn__the-chosen-people/#t_141

    And I’ll also republish several important paragraphs from my long Meritocracy article, with all the results from WordSum, NLSY, and NMS datasets being fully consistent.

    This conclusion is supported by the General Social Survey (GSS), an online dataset of tens of thousands of American survey responses from the last forty years which includes the Wordsum vocabulary test, a very useful IQ proxy correlating at 0.71. Converted into the corresponding IQ scores, the Wordsum-IQ of Jews is indeed quite high at 109. But Americans of English, Welsh, Scottish, Swedish, and Catholic Irish ancestry also have fairly high mean IQs of 104 or above, and their combined populations outnumber Jews by almost 15-to-1, implying that they would totally dominate the upper reaches of the white American ability distribution, even if we excluded the remaining two-thirds of all American whites, many of whose IQs are also fairly high. Furthermore, all these groups are far less highly urbanized or affluent than Jews,[67] probably indicating that their scores are still artificially depressed to some extent. We should also remember that Jewish intellectual performance tends to be quite skewed, being exceptionally strong in the verbal subcomponent, much lower in math, and completely mediocre in visuospatial ability; thus, a completely verbal-oriented test such as Wordsum would actually tend to exaggerate Jewish IQ.

    Stratifying the white American population along religious lines produces similar conclusions. An analysis of the data from the National Longitudinal Survey of Youth found that Americans raised in the Episcopal Church actually exceeded Jews in mean IQ, while several other religious categories came quite close, leading to the result that the overwhelming majority of America’s high-ability white population had a non-Jewish background.[68]

    The evidence of the recent NMS semifinalist lists seems the most conclusive of all, given the huge statistical sample sizes involved. As discussed earlier, these students constitute roughly the highest 0.5 percent in academic ability, the top 16,000 high school seniors who should be enrolling at the Ivy League and America’s other most elite academic universities. In California, white Gentile names outnumber Jewish ones by over 8-to-1; in Texas, over 20-to-1; in Florida and Illinois, around 9-to-1. Even in New York, America’s most heavily Jewish state, there are more than two high-ability white Gentile students for every Jewish one. Based on the overall distribution of America’s population, it appears that approximately 65–70 percent of America’s highest ability students are non-Jewish whites, well over ten times the Jewish total of under 6 percent.

    http://www.unz.com/runz/the-myth-of-american-meritocracy/#p_7_10

    This Jordan Peterson fellow will start paying attention to this important data, though I’m not exactly holding my breath…

  25. Wally says:
    @Bragadocious

    MacDonald said:
    “culminating in the Holocaust”

    Which is pure, easily debunked fakery. The same ’6M’ crap they have tried since at least 1823.

    Bragadocious said:
    For a smart race of people, sometimes they seem very shallow.

    Smart? Really?
    If Jews were really so smart they would have conjured up a better, more believable story than what they laughably claim for their impossibly fake & stupid ’6,000,000′.

    Only liars demand censorship.

    The ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the ‘holocaust’ scam debunked here: http://codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here: http://forum.codoh.com

  26. @utu

    Nope, not making it up, it happened as I described it.

  27. halfjap says:
    @Ron Unz

    Indeed, the real test will be whether he would reconsider his position and be public about it upon occasion, if and when he considers this vastly more comprehensive survey.

  28. This is another outstanding article by Kevin MacDonald on the world’s throniest subject.

    As for Jordan Peterson, his apparent inconsistencies and general disdain for honestly exploring MacDonald’s research and conclusions reminds us of two terrible truths:

    1) Jews are America’s foremost (and most feared) special interest group, and

    2) identifying them as such (and daring to criticize their impact on Western civilization) can be career-ending, if not life-ruining. So tread lightly, eh?

    Like President Trump (who is about to commemorate the move of America’s embassy in Israel to ‘disputed’ Jerusalem) Peterson understands that life at the top is far easier when one goes with the Jewish flow.

    With these conditions in mind, it’s clear that–for ambitious politicians and public intellectuals alike–honesty and integrity have their limits.

    • Agree: geokat62, Rurik
  29. j2 says:

    I see many problems in Peterson’s claims.

    1) If the average IQ of American Jews is 110-115 (which is in contradiction with their verbal IQ being in the range of 107-109 and their full IQ being lower than the verbal IQ), it does not follow that we can calculate the number of Jews over 145 by their measured average and their measured standard deviation. We would need to know that their IQ distribution is normal. Their verbal IQ distribution is not normal. It is heavily skewed. Such skewing most probably is a result of screening of Jews who moved to the States by IQ tests or selective immigration. As the distribution is strongly skewed with much less on the lower levels of IQ, it follows that the measured standard deviation shows the long tail to the low IQ side, while the high IQ side is not so long. (That is, cut off the below 100 part of the normal distribution around 100 and let the population grow for 2-4 generations, you get exactly average at 110-112 and skewed just like the verbal IQ scores of American Jews.) As this is the case, the Jewish portion of people over 145 is not as large as you would get if the distribution were normal.

    2) Even those, who accept that the American Jewish IQ can be taken as normally distributed with SD=15 (which I do not, it is not normal and that is why in Israel Ashkenazi IQ is 103.5), can show that Jewish share of accomplishments larger than IQ would suggest. The reason is simple: it is not only the IQ, you have to be in the correct place in the correct time. To get a Nobel in science, you have to do top research meaning that you must be working in some lab where they can do such top research and not herd sheep in some countryside. Even Nigeria with average IQ of 70 has enough people over IQ 150 to take all Nobel Prices if having IQ over 150 would be the only criteria. As Ron Unz showed, Jews are highly overrepresented as students in top universities, thus they are also overrepresented as professors who pick up the prizes. Simple as that, but this is in reality discrimination. It is not that their IQ is so much higher than that of the other whites.

    3) The “Jewish question” was a real question in the 19th century and not any conspiracy. It was a question pondered by Jews and others whether Jews should assimilate and lose their religion and ethnic identity, or form their own state. This problem arose because the Enlightenment and Freemasons were pushing for the New World Order, i.e., the American democracy, which tried to destroy the old world order (king, church, family), the aristocratic class society. Jews were a problem because they were king’s people, treated separately, king’s money lenders having privileges and restrictions. If king was gone, their position would have to change. They were holding monopoles on many things, that had to be changed in the New World Order of Enlightenment.
    An attempt to assimilate Jews resulted to the problem of en ethnic group using its own social networks, which means a kind of a mafia. This was the Jewish problem. The Jewish problem created Zionism. Zionism was sold to Western rulers as the only way to stop Jews from supporting Communism. Zionism started as a political movement using conspiracies to achieve its goals and it continues as one. This is not any conspiracy theory. There was the Freemason conspiracy, the Communist conspiracy and the Zionist conspiracy. Is there now a Jewish problem? Not the same, but there is Zionism, leftist political tendencies a bit similar to Communism, social networking. Not so much has changed.

    4) Ethnic nepotism exists. Infiltration is used as a way to gain power. Lobbying, bribing, threatening and all of the other classical methods are used. Propaganda in media exists. History is not told correctly. Only a very naive or dishonest person denies this.

  30. Odd experience that you had. I had a Jewish PhD supervisor and a Jewish committee member. Neither of them ever mentioned anything like that. The PhD supervisor is great, love the guy to death. One of the most open, fun and fair guys you could hope to meet. If he thinks anything of that sort, he thinks it in private.

    Anyhow, Peterson is in way more trouble. He has been outed as participating in drafting UN documents that basically advocate for mass migration into the west.

    The guy tells whites not to have an identity, not to take pride in their culture, and to avoid nationalism… at the same time he is helping the UN to plan mass migration into western countries. Nice little scam.

  31. TheBoom says:

    Peterson strikes me as the standard careerist one finds all the time in corporations. He has hit the big time but he knows that if he wants the good times to continue to roll he must keep the boss happy. Peterson is smart enough to know that he will be Daily Stormered from the main stage if he gets on the wrong side of the JQ. Peterson’s babbling about Jewish IQ and how whites can’t have any pride in their culture is just a way to adhere to Homer Simpsons 2nd most important rule of life: good idea boss.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @republic
  32. In my immodest opinion the present USA with regard to jews greatly resembles Germany from, say 1880, until Hitler’s power.
    However, there is a difference, in Germany there were just jews and ‘real’ Germans, the present USA is far more diversified.
    Nevertheless, jewish sociologist Stephen Steinlight fears the immigration from the south ‘they do not know about the holocaust, for them USA jews are just rich Americans’.
    I can recommend reading three books, all written by jews:
    ‘From prejudice to destruction’, Jacob Katz, 1980, Cambridge MA
    Fritz Stern, ‘Gold and Iron, Bismarck, Bleichröder, and the Building of the German Empire’, New York, 1977
    Ismar Schorsch, ‘Jewish Reactions to German Anti-Semitism, 1870 – 1914′, New York 1972

    • Replies: @Wally
  33. CBTerry says:

    “When Peterson begins to weep for our people, we can be assured he is a champion of truth.”

    The last thing I want to see is more of Peterson weeping.

    • LOL: Meimou
  34. Jordan Peterson strikes me as someone who objects in a wholesome way to political correctness on sexual matters but who is conceited enough to imagine that his opinion on everything is worth other people’s time. He probably hasn’t really considered any of MacDonald’s arguments.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @CanSpeccy
  35. Yevardian says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    When he was just considered a charismatic motivational speaker demolishing simplistic leftist talking points, I didn’t mind him, and even found his lectures on the bible somewhat interesting, if hokey in a G.K Chesterton sort of way. But now he’s being considered as some sort of ‘deep thinker’ which patently he is not, his blasé ignorance in citing absolute rags like “The Black Book of Communism” whilst he entitles himself as an authority on modern history is especially atrocious.

    “Further, he notes that an increasing percentage of Jews come from the Orthodox, a group with relatively low IQ.”

    Could anyone elaborate on that? I thought it was the inadvertently eugenic (mentally, that is) Orthodox/Talmudic lifestyle patterns were responsible for the IQ gap in the first place.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  36. Huh says:
    @Fuddu

    Yes I’m sure you got rejected because of Jews, it couldn’t possibly be that you just aren’t smart or qualified enough. Christ, you cretins are just like like lefties, nothing is your fault and it can all be explained by saying that “they” control everything.

    • Replies: @utu
    , @AndrewR
  37. iffen says:

    These were characterized by strong tendencies toward authoritarianism, with the rabbi literally having life-and-death power over his group.

    If there had been a Holocaust, this would have been an invaluable tool that could have been exploited by the perpetrators, I mean, if there had been any perps.

  38. Anonymous[989] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    The same goes for Alex Jones. Just like JP, he’s got his limits. Just like JP, he successfully redpills a lot of people and puts them on the right path.

    The trick is to realise when you’ve hit the limits of any given source.

  39. OMG says:

    At Harvard they are quite blatant about it.

    A good friend of mine attended Harvard (Dana-Farber) as a medical post-doc. He did some significant research work thus helping to promote his own (Jewish) boss. The Department Head (also Jewish), with whom he became quite friendly, also was pleased with his work but advised him not to apply for a permanent position. He advised that ‘you will never get a Professorship because you are not Jewish’.

    This was 30 years ago.

  40. utu says:
    @Huh

    While it is hard to prove cases like that individually statistics indicate that case like that must exist.

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/forward-is-jordan-peterson-enabling-jew-hatred/#comment-2328798

    For example, in 1999 Princeton discovered that its Jewish enrollment had declined to just 500 percent of parity, down from more than 700 percent in the mid-1980s

    During these same years, non-Jewish white enrollment across the entire Ivy League had dropped by roughly 50 percent

  41. utu says:
    @CBTerry

    He has high-strung personality that can be easily unhinged. I watched one or two lectures by him and realized that if I were his student I would not put up with his authoritarian intensity that can’t tolerate challenge so he does not leave room for challenge.

    There is a video of him where he talks about hm being on anti-depressants (SSRI and Wellbutrin) and his face is puffed up from either side effects or drinking.

    As far as him being intellectual he is rather a shallow pop version. There is no depth in him. And his alleged high IQ (in e excess of 150 as he said himself) , I do not see evidence of it in his rather mediocre articulateness and not very rich or skillful use of vocabulary.

    He also said that his quantitative part of GRE was 70-75% which is not congruent with his high IQ and also not congruent with his belief that there is a singular factor (g-factor) behind intelligence. In his case apparently the same singular factor makes him super intelligent verbally and just mediocre on quantitative part.

    I have heard he got first exposure in media on Breitbart like Canadian radio (a strictly Jewish necoco operation) where he was welcomed because his views on immigration of Muslims. He know on which side the bread is buttered.

  42. geokat62 says:

    Great article by Prof. MacDonald. But rather than getting bogged down in the weeds regarding Jewish IQ and overrepresentation, I think it behooves The Dumb Goyim to focus on key finding of Prof. MacDonald’s scholarship, namely:

    The main motivation for the Jewish intellectual movements discussed in The Culture of Critique was the utility of these movements in combating anti-Semitism…

    The problem is that the Jewish elite have not adopted positions that are in the interest of the traditional European-derived peoples of the West and their cultures, particularly with respect to immigration and multiculturalism — an effort that continues into the present and characterizes the entire organized Jewish community.

    As I’ve noted previously, the number one issue for organized Jewry living in The Diaspora was, is, and will be COMBATTING ANTISEMITISM.

    This, ultimately, was the justification given for establishing a Jewish state. Theodor Herzl, the father of Zionism, resigned himself to the fact that since antisemitism could not be defeated, Jews should establish a state of their own so they could “live like normal people.”

    Well, it took a bit a time but organized Jewry finally perfected the secret recipe for defeating antisemitism: advocate policies that promoted mass immigration combined with widespread miscegenation. While these two forces in isolation represent a dangerous threat, combined they are lethal.

    In CofC, Prof. MacDonald clearly shows how organized Jewry doggedly implemented these policies by ensuring that Cultural Marxism marched its way through our institutions, weakening the immune system of host societies to be attacked by these deadly viruses.

    We should be grateful to the scholarship of Prof. MacDonald, especially for alerting The Dumb Goyim to the fact that organized Jewry have been stealthily waging a war against us to defeat antisemitism.

    Armed with the ideology of Cultural Marxism, these organizations have opened the doors to mass immigration and the promotion of miscegenation. I’m thinking of the work of the 52 major Jewish organizations in the US and George Soros’ Open Society Foundation. These organizations were pivotal in ensuring the Hart Cellar Act got passed in 1965 and that European countries opened their doors to mass immigration after WWII.

    It is high time The Dumb Goyim recognize the gravity of this situation- that an ethnic war has been clandestinely declared against us – and that we do everything in our power to fight this war for survival.

    Everything else is just noise.

    • Replies: @iffen
  43. Meimou says:
    @Glenfilthie

    1. There is evidence that he is controlled opposition: deplatforming Faith Goldie and telling whites not to stand up for themselves should tell us all we need to know. Anyone who discourages white identity should be seen as an enemy

    Transcripts from VDs darkstream.

    http://voxday.blogspot.com/2018/05/the-dog-whistler.html?m=1

    2. Why do you believe that the very intelligent Vod Day is an idiot?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  44. Dan Hayes says:
    @CBTerry

    CBTerry,

    Peterson’s disturbing performance in the video clip is truly unhinged.

    If he acted like this in the NYC subway system the gendarmes would carry him off to Bellevue for observation.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  45. Anonymous[392] • Disclaimer says:
    @TheBoom

    This!

    Jordan Peterson showed “bravery” in only the most superficial of ways. He is just a careerist making a shrewd move.

  46. If jews displayed group interest favoritism towards other unrelated jews (aside nepotism which is ubiquitous), it would be visible in the real world. As an 84 year old American jew I have never seen a hair of evidence for that proposition in childhood, in high school, at college and afterwards.

    • Replies: @Moi
  47. Anonymous[392] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ron Unz

    @Ron Unz

    I think one thing that hasn’t been mentioned is how JP got so popular. I think the main thing that vaulted him over the top was his appearance on the Joe Rogan Podcast.

    Unz, I would love to see you on this show. If you can reach out to him please do so and talk about the main subjects you have written on.

    It would vault your profile to a whole nother level.

  48. nickels says:

    Strange how a people who are genetic Europeans have an IQ higher than Europeans.

    Jewishness is a theological construct.
    To understand the Jewish question there is only E Michael Jones.

  49. an issue that has gotten the attention of some of the most celebrated thinkers in Western history

    lol.

    In the West, failure to acknowledge group interests is suicidal for its traditional European-derived populations. As a result of the imposition of massive non-White immigration and multiculturalism by elites unresponsive to popular attitudes, the traditional populations of these societies are slated to become minorities

    Huh? European-Americans will be the majority for the foreseeable future. Or do you think that Spain is not a country in Europe?

    Already in the U.S. the non-White voting share of the Democrat Party is 44%

    Ah, I see. Why do you lie about “European-derived” culture then? Surely Hispanics are a European derived culture. Just say you hate brown people and you don’t have to do this stupid dance.

    Anyway, the rest of this article is the usual bullshit. Congrats to Ron Unz and his continued support of white nationalism and conspiracy theorists. Quite a legacy.

  50. iffen says:
    @geokat62

    As I’ve noted previously, the number one issue for organized Jewry living in The Diaspora was, is, and will be COMBATTING ANTISEMITISM.

    Considering what happened the last time anti-Semitism got way out of hand, I’m not sure I can blame them all that much.

  51. Jake says:

    Jews network far more ruthlessly than any other group. Well, of groups that are seen as Caucasian. Chinese and Indians also network ruthlessly, as do blacks (who need the brain power of Jews and white Gentile Liberals to make black networking a success). Moslems network, some nationalities as ruthlessly as Jews. Gays network ruthlessly.

    If you are Italian or Polish or Irish or Scots-Irish southerner or Czech or (God forbid) Russian, and you try to network, those who see themselves as WASP Elite will ally with Jews to blow you out of the water, because only a racist would even think of something so unfair to non-whites.

    That – and not Jewish IQ in the stratosphere – is how Jews came to totally dominate things like university Poli Sci, History, English, and Journalism departments, as well as Law and Med schools.

  52. Joe Hide says:

    I like Peterson’s and McDonald’s work. Nobody is perfect, but both authors offer out of the box thinking which creates mental exercise which improves my thinking. The trick is to just listen and not memorize concepts
    It’s like good classical music, dont try to figure it out, just listen. Then later self examine to see if you become better for it.
    You know, you could do a lot worse than Peterson or McDonald, you could be listening to CNN

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  53. @Mario Partisan

    Mario Partisan intelligently & rather humorously banged home the winning run, having emphasized: “To be sure, it wasn’t Jewish IQ that got Netanyahu 29 standing ovations from congress.”

    Extraordinary thought, deserving of an ovation, including the (non-pampered) hands of Kevin McDonald. Thank you, Mario Partisan!

    P.S.: As a dumb goyim Scranton School District-bus driver I would not want to be inside Jordan Peterson’s Bruno Mali shoes after Professor McDonald issued this lesson: “Peterson bows down to the ‘powers that be’ and has grown wealthy in the Process.”

  54. republic says:
    @TheBoom

    Regarding the Jewish Question, I recently discovered a brilliant French writer,Henre Ryssen,
    Who has written many works on this subject but is almost totally unknown in the English
    Speaking world.
    He is currently facing imprisonment in France due to hate speech laws. Here is a rare dubbed video of him speaking:

    His book in English “Understanding the Jews, Understanding Antisemitism”

    http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=00292918650653977321

    https://www.amazon.com/Understanding-Jews-Anti-Semitism-Herv%C3%A9-Ryssen/dp/1312390778

    amazon is out of print, paperback copy $788!

    Herve Ryssen’s latest documentary, on the role of Hollywood in demonizing Christianity and Western culture. English/French (Satan in Hollywood)

    https://archive.org/details/SatanHollywoodHervvRyssen

    https://rutube.ru/video/b40a714aff86cb20e0ea62a710a90155/

    • Replies: @DFH
    , @AaronB
    , @TheBoom
  55. AndrewR says:
    @Huh

    While, obviously, Fuddu almost certainly couldn’t prove that Hebrew Hegemony was a factor in his rejection, the preponderance of evidence strongly points to ethnic favoritism among Jews being extremely common. As Jews themselves love to remind us, job applicants with “black-sounding names” are less likely to get an interview at many companies than candidates with “white-sounding names,” even with identical resumes. So there’s every reason to think that many Jews prefer applicants with Jewish-sounding names over applicants with goyish names. That is probably even more true if interviews of the applicants have been conducted.

  56. @CBTerry

    Man, just turn off the webcam. If I were trying to be this dramatic though, I would just get 1 or 2 hours of sleep and have the interviewer wake me up in the middle of a nightmare about the Hildabeast…. oh, and slice up some fresh onions just before getting in front of the camera. That’s what this looks like – or he had a sneeze coming and it wouldn’t come out …

  57. DFH says:
    @republic

    Now I have to watch the video just to find out why there’s a picture of George Eliot in the thumb

  58. @Joe Hide

    AGREED

    You know, you could do a lot worse than Peterson or McDonald, you could be listening to CNN.

    Yeah, if one has a choice.

  59. Anonymous[196] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dan Hayes

    This makes heavyweight boxer Oliver McCall’s breaking down in tears during the second round rematch fight with Lewis (he KO’d Lewis in previous fight) seem downright normal.

    I’ve only watched a few videos of Peterson but I’ve never seen him smile, light-heartedly joke, be witty or clever, etc.

    • Agree: Dan Hayes
  60. @iffen

    As I’ve noted previously, the number one issue for organized Jewry living in The Diaspora was, is, and will be COMBATTING ANTISEMITISM.

    Considering what happened the last time anti-Semitism got way out of hand, I’m not sure I can blame them all that much.

    I told this personal anecdote in a post a couple days ago, but I think it is appropriate to tell it again as an illustration of the way Jews “combat” anti-semitism.

    When I was in graduate school on the east coast I worked for my department as a graduate student instructor, teaching introductory economics courses. One day, a student of my office mate came in to receive tutoring from him, but he wasn’t in the office. Rather than have the student go away empty handed, I decided I would tutor her. Keep in mind, as I was not her instructor, I had no obligation to do so, but I was being nice. After I had successfully assisted her in understanding the material, I wished her success on her final exam and an enjoyable “Christmas break.” At that moment, the student revealed that she was Jewish, and demanded an apology from me for saying “Christmas break.” I was flabbergasted, and refused to apologize, as I had just done this ingrate a favor. Of course, my refusal to apologize simply escalated the situation, and she threatened to go to the department and say that I was an “anti-semite.” I replied, “Let’s go together right now. You tell your side, and I’ll explain how I’ve been kind and generous to you, and we will see what the department has to say. But you are not going to slander me behind my back.” She stormed out of the room and nothing came of the incident.

    Mr. Sailer put up a blog post yesterday related to an article in the Jewish Forward that more or less smears Mr. Peterson as an “anti-semite.” The image at the top of the article at the Forward website juxtaposes an image of Mr. Peterson with an image of Hitler (very subtle). And what has Mr. Peterson done to provoke this association? He has defended Jews against accusations of ethnic networking by seeking to explain their success as a function of their relative intelligence.

    It seems to me that Jews have largely failed to get the message of two simple proverbs/fables: 1) You catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar; 2) the story of the “Boy who Cried Wolf.”

    Jews, by and large, don’t seem to understand that the more they accuse others of being “anti-semites,” the less people will be inclined to take their accusations seriously And that is even truer when they are using that term against people who are defending them or doing them favors.

    Moreover, if Jews genuinely feared persecution at the hands of the goyim, they would realize that their best approach is to treat us with kindness. People don’t seek to oppress others who have been good to them. This is basic human psychology.

    How do you explain an undergraduate threatening their (free) tutor, with a potentially career-destroying accusation, over such a trivial issue like saying “Merry Christmas?” This isn’t the behavior of a person who is afraid, but rather the behavior of a person who knows they have nothing to fear.

    Jews may like to deceive themselves with notions that they are “combating anti-semitism,” but that is not what these examples illustrate. Rather, they are illustrative of a group of people who realize, consciously or subconsciously, the power that they have and who derive an almost sadistic pleasure from wielding it.

    “Anti-semite” has become a weaponized slur. It no longer means “a person who hates Jews,” but instead “a person who Jews hate.”

    • Agree: Stan d Mute
    • Replies: @Bill TotenWeiss
  61. AaronB says:
    @republic

    Interesting books. Available as pdfs off Google, btw.

    The author suggests that Jews thrive off the hatred they create among others.

    The key thing is to neutralize them – to not be affected by them – without hating them as hatred fuels them.

    The best way is to view them as victims if a mental illness. This renders them ineffectual – without creating animosity.

    By refusing to take anything they say seriously but showing them love and pity, one may even “cure” some individual Jews.

    This strikes me as highly persuasive – I think hatred of Jews implies taking them “seriously” – which is in a way precisely what Jews want more than to be loved – and that taking them “seriously” is ultimately an ineffectual way to neutralize them and render them ineffectual.

    I know quite a few of the “betserker” Jews Ron refers to, and I have found the one thing that reliably infuriates them – and neutralizes them – is not taking them “seriously”. Anger, hatred, condemnation, they do not mind. They like it.

    A smile, or a shrug, is infinitely more devastating to them than anger or hatred or persecution.

    To this end, we should avoid cultivating the mindset that Jews are responsible for their actions and are to be fought and hated, because this is actually what thru want.

    Instead, we should cultivate the mindset that they are victims of an illness – not to be taken seriously on any level, but not to be hated, and not to be angry with.

    I really think this mindset is a far more effective way to deal with the JQ than the understandably high levels of anger, that understandably spills over into hatred, that the alt right currently cultivates towards Jews.

    To “not take seriously” is to disarm an opponent in a far more devastating manner than to attack him.

    • Replies: @republic
    , @TelfoedJohn
  62. lavoisier says: • Website
    @iffen

    Considering what happened the last time anti-Semitism got way out of hand, I’m not sure I can blame them all that much.

    Problem is that the murderous anti-Semitism of the Nazis came about because of the mass murder triggered by the anti-Gentilism of the Jewish Bolsheviks.

    Today anti-Gentilism of far too many Jews has resulted in the multicultural dystopias of previously stable European nations and people.

    Anti-Semitism is the result of Anti-Gentilism–and, in fairness, vice versa.

    Hate begets hate.

    But Jews are not always the victims, and have often have been the murderers, despite the attempt by too many book burners to bury this despicable history along with their victims.

  63. Rurik says:
    @iffen

    Considering what happened the last time anti-Semitism got way out of hand, I’m not sure I can blame them all that much.

    as has been pointed out, you’re putting the cart before the horse here.

    The Holodomor came before the Holocaust

    Jews insistence that Gentiles suffer and die = is the cause of anti-Semitism.

    Were there no Zionism (terror, murder and genocide) in Palestine, there’d be no anti-Semitism.

    If Jews weren’t promoting genocide in Europe and N. America, (not to mention Eternal War and cultural sewage) there’d be very little ‘anti-Semitism to speak of.

    actions have consequences

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
    , @iffen
  64. lavoisier says: • Website
    @Ron Unz

    I have always been impressed that it took a Jewish writer (Ron Unz) to write an article presenting compelling data not particularly favorable to the meme of overwhelming Jewish intellectual superiority.

    Why couldn’t Jordan Peterson have done his homework before spouting off on a subject he knows very little about?

    Better yet, why couldn’t he have done the hard work necessary to investigate this important issue in the first place and exploded the myth of American meritocracy?

    It took a Jewish writer to point out that the Gentiles and the Asians are being screwed.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @Rosie
  65. @Mario Partisan

    Jews, by and large, don’t seem to understand that the more they accuse others of being “anti-semites,” the less people will be inclined to take their accusations seriously

    Um, this very website is filled with antisemites. The author of this piece apparently believes the stupid “white genocide” conspiracy theory.

    But I’m sure your “Merry Christmas” anecdote must seem really convincing.

  66. Sam Shama says:

    There are only two places from which any writer might shape her product: Dogma or Prejudice. Proposing an article pristinely different is a mere delusion. [That's a paraphrase of Chesterton].

    I write from prejudice. The author of this piece mixes the two rather well; one doubts he gainsays.

    I have often said that it would not matter that Jews are an elite if they had the same interests as the traditional peoples and cultures of the societies they live in.

    A clear definition of the traditional peoples and cultures are required here. I’ll be content, in fact sufficiently so, if the author cared to define it for the Americas.

    What are the interests of Americans? [Let's concede the Cherokees et al are a case of arriver comme un cheveu sur la soupe, for the purposes of convenient discussion here; but, whatever.] What have been the demonstrated actions of America, say since circa 1783, 1782, 1812, 1846, etc, etc?

    Given their high IQ and other traits and proclivities (including ethnic networking), they are bound to be successful in Western-type societies.

    First, as Ron Unz has pointed out on more than one occasion, Jewish average IQ is really not all that different from those sported by a number of other groups. If cognitive enterprise demands appropriate agents, it is only natural that members of a particular group would find it easier to identify candidates from amongst their own. Think of the Chinese, the Japanese, the English and the Mormons. Yet quality may not be compromised for that spells failure, eventually. Finally, Jews have had their share of successes and failures all over the globe, not merely Western societies, and, like the Chinese and the English, have done well to keep a meticulous diary of experiences.

    The problem is that the Jewish elite have not adopted positions that are in the interest of the traditional European-derived peoples of the West and their cultures, particularly with respect to immigration and multiculturalism — an effort that continues into the present and characterizes the entire organized Jewish community. Peterson’s analysis is inadequate fundamentally because it ignores Jewish perceptions of their identity and how these perceptions intersect with Jewish involvement with the left in diaspora societies.

    Jews do not sit around a very large round table and decide that such-and-such enterprise is in the “interests of the ‘traditional European-derived peoples’ of the West”.

    Each enterprise must be evaluated on its own merits, not whether it suits a particular set of political interests [yes, yes, I know, AIPAC! The Lobby! But they are the unwelcome contrivances of a set of wealthy Jews and others, and, as such, highlight the flaws of our society. Have you the model for a better one?].

    The domains of “Social Good” and “Social Choice” are the children of the democratic vote, and since that is so, all instruments, including politicians, the voting outcomes, are the revealed preferences of the voting public, many of whom, in fact the majority, are the “European-derived peoples” [btw, is a person with a black father and a white mother considered "European-derived"? Or, shall we demand the one-drop rule?].

    Finally, I offer a personal observation, [and only that]: Jews, I believe are endowed with a particularly strong sense of social justice and egalitarianism. This has been demonstrated time and again for every social movement here, as it has in Europe. It’s a bit of a shame that orthodoxy of religion appears to have trumped those inherent qualities in Israel. It will revert.

  67. @Fuddu

    Identities of university admissions committees are rarely made public. Where can I find the names of the UT-Austin admissions committee members?

    • Replies: @Mishra
  68. An antisemite these days is someone jews do not like because he or she says things jews do not like.

  69. @Bill TotenWeiss

    Um, this very website is filled with antisemites.

    But, Bill, doesn’t “antisemitic” pretty much define the entire world outside Tel Aviv?

    Hey, could you do some Academy-award-winning suffering for us? Like, just off the cuff? You know how antisemites have such short-term memories. Freshen it up for us, Bill.

  70. republic says:
    @AaronB

    Quotes from that book, Understanding the Jews,

    Judaism is…essentially a universalist political project, the objective of which is the unification of the world.

    contrary to Christianity or Islam, the Jews do not intent to convert others to Judaism, but rather to
    persuade them to renounce their religion their race, their identity, their family and all their traditions
    in the name of “Humanity,” and “Human rights.”

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Anonymous
    , @anon
  71. AaronB says:
    @lavoisier

    Ron Unz is a righteous Jew :)

    Jewish upbringing undoubtedly cultivates moral passion and fervour, except of a very twisted and perverted sort. But occasionally it finds the true path of genuine morality. I have been trying – with almost no success – to persuade whites of the immense importance and power of recovering the moral dimension, the loss of which is the primary source of white apathy and weakness. (It is no accident that “morale” is very similar to “moral”)

    Race-realism, while necessary, if divorced from a moral dimension, is not the solution to white problem s – race-realism within the context of morality is.

    Nothing great can be accomplished in this world without moral passion. The Victorians knew this.

  72. @AaronB

    Well, maybe. Nietzsche said “One does not kill by anger but by laughter.”

    But I haven’t seen many examples of this approach towards Jews.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  73. Peterson is just an academic Tony Robbins. His expertise is clinical psychology, not anthropology, not genomics, not social psychology. That he’s a standard issue ostrich on HBD there has been no doubt since his emergence as a public figure. He “debated” Molyneux on YouTube a few years ago and his responses on HBD intelligence were indistinguishable from Hillary Clinton’s.

    He’s like Pinker. Take him for the bits of Truth he does utter and mock him relentlessly for his willful stupidity when he exposes it. He has an ego the size of Canada with a truth ethic every bit as impressive as Canada’s Defence Farce. He’s also a real internet tough guy which is hilarious as hell.

    • Agree: manorchurch
  74. @Yevardian

    Yevardian, I’ve heard of The Black Book of Communism which was a compilation of all all the misery and deaths due to Communism during the last century. Why do you maintain it’s a rag? (I’m just asking, as I haven’t read it).

    Mr. Peterson, in a video embedded by one of the commenters on a current iSteve thread, started out pretty good in discussing Communism, so I’m anxious to watch the rest of it too. Yeah, he’s gotten in over his head on this stuff, but why not just watch or read him for what you do want to get out of his words (on the scourge of feminism)? It’s like listening to U-2 music. You know Bono spouts out all kind of left-wing garbage about stuff that he doesn’t really understand, but then, when Bad comes on, I still want to crank it up to 11. It doesn’t hurt that’s he’s got The Edge on guitar (wonder how that’s filled out his birth certificate?)

    • Replies: @Yevardian
  75. hyperbola says:
    @Mario Partisan

    CalTech at least is also heavily infested with jewish traitors.

    Lawsuit Says Caltech Provost And Others Ignored Israeli Spying
    How U.S. taxpayer funded scientific technology is stolen by Israel.

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article40722.htm

    ….According to the lawsuit, a small coterie of Caltech professors and administrators ignored Israeli spying and theft of taxpayer-funded U.S. technology and then retaliated against the professor for reporting it.

    Caltech Provost Edward Stolper, who has ties to Israel and received an honorary degree from one of its universities, seems to have been one of those leading the charge…..

    • Replies: @anon
  76. Moi says:
    @Anonymouse

    You’re kidding, right? My work experience does not square with what you say.

  77. @Rurik

    actions have consequences

    I love your pithiness bro. Try this: “Jews have Agency”

    I’m depressed that I’ve posted close to 200,000 words here. For what?

    • Replies: @Rurik
  78. hyperbola says:
    @Glenfilthie

    Peterson is not a “liberal” – he is part of a corrupt, racist-supremacist, abusive, foreign sect. Peterson is a jewish psychologist that is peddling the same kind of crap that Freud foisted off on western countries.

    Sigmund Freud, Psychoanalysis, and the War on the West
    “We are bringing them the plague.”—Sigmund Freud, on his way to America in 1909[1]

    https://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/12/24/sigmund-freud-psychoanalysis-and-the-war-on-the-west/

    ….. Jewish psychologists played a big role in bringing about this cultural warfare. “Under Jewish influence, American psychology became Talmudic as well….it was seen as a weapon against Christian culture.”[5]…..

    Both the marxist killers

    Stalin’s Jews
    We mustn’t forget that some of greatest murderers of modern times were Jewish

    https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html

    and the Frankfurt School of “cultural marxists” are just more manifestations of the same corrupt, racist-supremacist, abusive sect.

    Impact of politically correct Britain

    https://www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/gerald-warner-impact-of-politically-correct-britain-1-3128346

    ……. Political correctness is cultural Marxism. The term was coined by Anton Semyonovich Makarenko, Lenin’s education guru and favourite wordsmith (he also invented the phrase “dictatorship of the proletariat”). From the beginning, Marxists recognised there was a lot more involved in imposing totalitarian social control than nationalisation of the means of production, distribution and exchange. In Hungary in 1919, during the short-lived but murderous Communist dictatorship of Bela Kun, his deputy “commissar for culture”, Georg Lukacs, introduced a programme of “cultural terrorism” under which he imposed pornographic sex education on schoolchildren, promoting promiscuity, denouncing the family and encouraging pupils to mock their parents and religion. The question Lukacs posed was: “Who will save us from Western Civilisation?” Four years later, Lukacs was one of the founders of the Institute for Social Research in Frankfurt, from which emerged the obscenity known today as Frankfurt School Marxism, dedicated to the destruction of civilisation. Max Horkheimer, its sometime director, followed up Lukacs’ experiment by grafting Freudianism onto Marxism. In this he was followed by Herbert Marcuse, an admirer of the Marquis de Sade, who expressed his belief in “polymorphous perversity”. This was complemented by the cultural Marxism of Gramsci and other adherents such as Adorno. Whether or not the Frankfurt Marxists had become sceptical of the command economy as an economic instrument, their main target was “the culture”……

  79. AaronB says:
    @TelfoedJohn

    I have tried this approach in my personal life towards berserker Jews (Ron’s wonderful phrase) and it is literally the only thing that neutralizes them – it infuriates them, and leaves you smiling and at peace.

    Jews know that getting you angry, getting you in attack mode, is the first step to manipulating you – because you you are “engaged”.

    Nietzsche was right.

    • Replies: @Sean
    , @TelfoedJohn
  80. peterAUS says:

    Just a brief comment for the author:

    Disappointing.

    Skimmed through the comments.
    A couple of quotes I agree with (my bold):

    I still maintain that it’s great this guy is around to enlighten young men (older ones have learned) on the evils of feminism. One can just ignore the rest of his opinions and just take the good advice.

    I especially like the part in which he explains succinctly that an individualist society is going to lose when getting mixed with a bunch of people from tribal societies, resulting in the loss of any type of individualist culture completely (which was the reason for the tribal-cultured people moving in to begin with – oh, the irony!)

    You have to understand who Jordan Peterson is. He is a classical liberal with a smattering of intellect and common sense – and he’s gone public with it

    ….our response to him should be along the lines of “he’s another liberal that got mugged by reality…” And as far as liberals go these days… Jordan is a huge step up from the swine and scum that end of the political spectrum produces these days. Shut it, let the man run. He is an asset to us.

    I like Peterson’s and McDonald’s work. Nobody is perfect, but both authors offer out of the box thinking which creates mental exercise…

    Jews, I believe are endowed with a particularly strong sense of social justice and egalitarianism. This has been demonstrated time and again for every social movement here, as it has in Europe. It’s a bit of a shame that orthodoxy of religion appears to have trumped those inherent qualities in Israel. It will revert.

    I am (obviously) not an intellectual, and especially not in related matters mentioned here.
    I do know, really, something about fighting, though.

    I guess there is a fight going on?

    So….if you get just in a street fight with a couple of thugs, would you object to a fellow from a crowd stepping in and helping you? And you know him: black homosexual.
    Or say, preppers, if you are defending a compound from an overwhelming force, would you object to a couple of guys in another compound providing some resemblance of support fire? And you know them: a group of militant Jews.

    Putin is, obviously, popular around here. As with Peterson, he does have some good points. One of them is, when in a deep shit, get any ally you can muster.

    There is a peculiar element on the “alternative” scene.
    Eating their own. Or, better, some, apparently, deep need to seek, what, perfection? Don’t know, can’t explain.
    But it is stupid, IMHO.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @iffen
  81. @Bill TotenWeiss

    Um, this very website is filled with antisemites.

    What a non sequitur! When did I ever say there weren’t any anti-semites? My post was about how Jews often hurl the accusation of anti-semitism at those who have done nothing to demonstrate any anti-semitism.

    Mr. Peterson defends Jews against the accusations of “anti-semites” and yet he gets juxtaposed with Hitler! Do you consider this to be an effective way to “combat” anti-semitism?

    But I’m sure your “Merry Christmas” anecdote must seem really convincing.

    Yeah, a personal experience like that tends to make an impression on a person.

    Never in my post did I tell Jews not to call out genuine anti-semites. My message was to reserve such accusations for those who deserve it, and to refrain from attacking those who don’t; good advice in my opinion. Somehow I’m not surprised that a guy who calls himself “TotenWeiss” would get defensive over some constructive criticism.

    • Agree: iffen
  82. Swan Knight says: • Website
    @Fuddu

    It may help get in a masters program when you can use the proper verb of being in plural

    • Replies: @Neil Templeton
    , @c matt
  83. Sean says:
    @AaronB

    According to Robin Dunbar, Viking Berserkers got killed early in life, but people were wary of picking on the brother of a Beserker, and as a result Beserker’s brothers got killed less than other men so it paid off for the total reproductive success of the family. The Plains Indians had a similar tradition of “war chiefs” who would never retreat in battle. It was only an attractive career path for the lowest-born warriors.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  84. Talha says:
    @republic

    contrary to Christianity or Islam, the Jews do not intent to convert others to Judaism, but rather to persuade them to renounce their religion

    I once had a very interesting conversation in LAX with a rabbi that was on his way to a nation-wide rabbinical conference. It ranged from the whimsical (he claimed Jews taught our Prophet [pbuh] everything – it was almost the first thing he said in the conversation, a bit weird, but whatever – which I simply smiled off without getting into dragged into a debate [this definitely works, AaronB]) to the profound (what method do they use for spiritual rectification – to purify one’s ego from arrogance, envy, greed, etc.).

    He introduced me to the concept of Noahide Laws – the concept of which is that God has a specific requirement from the Children of Israel, but He only expects these minimum laws to be followed by everyone else:

    https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/62221/jewish/The-7-Noahide-Laws-Universal-Morality.htm

    Apparently, He is not concerned with details when it comes to others.

    The laws seem fairly vanilla and easily definable except for #7 (Establish courts of law and ensure justice in our world.) – that seems to be a stickler. Who defines justice? How do we know it has been reached?

    The difficulty I have is in understanding how much activism is done from Jewish groups on behalf of things that are in complete violation of Law #6 on sexual morality. How is that squared?

    Of course there are plenty of SJWLGBTQ-Awesomeness Muslims too, but they are nowhere near the same, percentage-wise.

    Peace.

  85. Dmitry says:

    Linking Jewish liberalism to the personality trait of Openness is problematic because liberalism is not a notable characteristic of Jews in Israel where parties on the left are miniscule. Meretz, which takes positions similar to mainstream Democratic and Labour politicians, polls around 4%. I realize that Israelis on average have a lower IQ than Ashkenazi Jews in the U.S., but surely this cannot explain the general lack of attraction of Israeli Jews to liberalism.

    I can only skim this.

    But article author shows a complete ignorance of Israel.

    The secular elite in Israel is very liberal under circumstances (of war with the Arab world inside and outside of its borders). This level of liberalism is reaching sometime suicidal levels.

    The working class and religious are more conservative.

    Ethnic relation to American Jews is also not so significant as the author seems to write – considering only around 30% of Israeli total population is from the same wider ethnic European group (and with a large cultural difference, as it is partly immigrants from non-Western parts of Europe – and with plenty of homo sovieticus mentality).

    • Replies: @Jo
  86. Talha says:
    @peterAUS

    Eating their own. Or, better, some, apparently, deep need to seek, what, perfection? Don’t know, can’t explain.

    Too many generals, not enough soldiers…

    Peace.

    • Replies: @iffen
  87. @AaronB

    Ok give me an example of this method in action – either from yourself or others.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  88. iffen says:
    @Rurik

    I have no rebuttal for your, and your fellow travelers, argument that if there were no Jews there would be no anti-Semitism.

    • Replies: @lavoisier
  89. AaronB says:
    @Sean

    That’s probably true when you’re fighting a determined foe with high morale. Berserk tactics are definitely not the ultimate in military skill.

    But if you’re fighting an apathetic foe with low morale, then berserk tactics can be overwhelming.

    Jewish berserk tactics would be completely ineffective in China or Japan – even counterproductive.

    I live in nyc and my work involves me with many Jews on a regular basis – I frequently see behavior from Jews that would get them physically beaten up in any normal society with a healthy sense of morals. A rage-filled tantrum is not tolerated by any group other than apathetic, demoralized whites. In the Philippines, you could go to jail for screaming at your employee while firing him.

    Whites have a twofold task before them – neutralize Jews, and recover their own morale and self-confidence through abandoning materialism.

    Beyond a certain point, the focus on Jews is counterproductive. It must be established once and for all that Jews suffer from a kind of mental illness, and then they must be sidelined. Beyond the initial burst of anger and outrage one feels when he finally learns the truth of Jewish behavior, it is counterproductive to continue cultivating anger towards Jews. That keeps you “engaged” with Jews – which is just where they want you.

    The real task is for whites to abandon materialism, dial back the Enlightenment, and all Jewish tactics will become ineffective.

    Back to the topic of the combat effectiveness of the berserker, throwing yourself entirely into combat without reserve, giving it your absolute all, is indeed an extremely effective psychological technique. The Japanese samurai trained themselves for this kind of heedless aggression – if you’ve ever watched Japanese films or tv, they have retained the ability to portray this mindset in modern times, at least on screen. It’s quite impressive – American aggressiveness, as seen on the screen, seems soft and unconvincing by comparison.

    Something akin to the berserker mentality, even if a softer version of it, has been essential to every warrior culture, and is probably essential to it

    • Replies: @Sean
    , @FKA Max
  90. Wally says:
    @jilles dykstra

    Do any of the books you cited present proof of the alleged ‘holocaust’?

    If so, what is it?

    Or is this just more ‘We’re Zionists, we can say anything we wish and get away with it’.

    http://www.codoh.com

  91. Rurik says:
    @Stan d Mute

    For what?

    I’ve got over a million.

    silence is cowardice, and even if we have zero effect, as least we can answer to our God or Gods that we weren’t silent. That we spoke out, at least given the method available to us, (with gratitude to Mr. Unz)

    perhaps it’s just cathartic, but pebbles often make ripples in the water

    Cheers.

  92. Anonymous[572] • Disclaimer says:
    @Meimou

    Vox Day, like many commenters here who are disparaging Peterson, reminds me of a Never Trumper. You’re all suffering from Peterson Derangement Syndrome. Peterson is helping a lot of lost people with his advice, people who never learned life’s lessons or forgot them. Where else are they going to get help? From the hateful Left? Or, maybe, you all think you should be the saviors? Pathetic. Thank god for Peterson with his commonsense advice and his adversity to toxic feminism and political correctness. There is a great need in society that he is filling and it’s wonderful that he’s the one doing it. I don’t think most of his audience goes past his Internet Dad stuff. If his talks does get people to further investigate and question liberalism, Marxism, and Postmodernism, it’s all good.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @RudyM
  93. Wally says:
    @Bill TotenWeiss

    “Um, this very website is filled with antisemites. ”

    How infantile that is.

    antisemite: any thought or person that a Jew doesn’t like

    http://www.codoh.com

  94. iffen says:
    @Talha

    Too many generals, not enough soldiers…

    C’mon Talha, don’t be afraid of the PC police. You know that should be, “Too many chiefs, not enough Indians.”

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @denk
  95. iffen says:
    @peterAUS

    There is a peculiar element on the “alternative” scene.
    Eating their own. Or, better, some, apparently, deep need to seek, what, perfection?

    I don’t believe this is limited to the “alternative” scene. I think that it is normal for politics.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  96. AaronB says:
    @TelfoedJohn

    You’ve identified someone as a Jew. You do not engage him in serious conversation on serious topics. You smile, give short answers, patronise.

    You treat him as someone with a mental illness, who is not able to be rational, without being too obvious about it.

    At no point do you emotionally or intellectually engage. His game is rigged – the whole point is to get you “involved”. You don’t play.

    Pretty simple.

    Of course, if a particular Jew has proven himself, then you may treat him as an ordinary rational human being who is not suffering from a mental illness. (Although one must exercise caution here, as a common deception is to appear rational initially in order to gain credibility. Take time in giving trust, and never be afraid to rescind it in a moment)

    But in today’s reality, your starting presumption must be that you are dealing with someone who’s significantly mentally ill.

    This would require you to be “prejudiced”, and make an initial judgement based on ethnic identity (your judgement may be open to modification later).

    In other words, you cannot be too affected by Enlightenment ideals.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @Mishra
  97. Professor Kevin MacDonald on Jordan Peterson:

    Peterson bows down to the powers that be and has grown wealthy in the process. He is the sort of “rebel” the multicultural elites like, one who participates in their censorship of those who would reveal the power of these elites and their hostility to Western peoples and cultures.

    I say:

    Jordan Peterson has been groomed by shady elements in the corporate propaganda apparatus to stop young White people from gathering together — as Whites — in order to advance their own group interests.

    Jordan Peterson is the human equivalent of anti-White ideological libertarianism. Peterson’s function as a corporate media whore is to prevent young people of European Christian ancestry from fighting together to defend their people. The shady shysters in the corporate media that push Peterson want young White people to stay atomized and apart instead of organized and prepared to fight for their people.

    Jordan Peterson is an evil baby boomer Canadian who has admitted to drug use. Jordan Peterson should be asked the Sam Huntington questions by some young White person to see how he would respond. We know Peterson avoided a direct answer and stayed mum on the Jewish Question.

    Sam Huntington questions:

    Who are we as a nation? What are we fighting for?

    Ask Jordan Peterson what Canada is as a nation?

    Ask Jordan Peterson what Canada is fighting for?

  98. Jo says:

    Dr. Jordan Peterson should view this short clip of G. Edward Griffin speaking with Yuri Bezmenov from the 1980s.

    I highly recommend all who haven’t listened to the entire interview to listen to it.

  99. AaronB says:
    @AaronB

    This way you neutralize the threat without hate – Jews are convinced they are hated for their divine mission. And their cohesiveness depends on hate. Don’t feed into this.

    Hate also keeps you emotionally engaged, and is an implicit admission of the power of that which you hate.

    With regard to Jews, you want to neutralize their emotional power over you. The antidote is a wise indifference.

    Asians are very skilled at cutting a person down to size by ignoring. It’s a skill we must relearn.

    You can also always hold out the possibility of love, depending on good conduct.

    But to do all this, we must not be willing to debate everything. We must have values that are simply not open to debate. If someone tries to, you simply sideline them.

    Clearly, to do this we must be less “rational”, and less commuted to enlightenment ideals.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    , @Anonymous
  100. Jo says:
    @Dmitry

    The ‘ethnic relation to ‘American’ Jews is tremendous because ‘American’ Jews have the economic clout. And where money talks bullshyte walks.
    And if the Jews from non-’western’ (and by ‘western’ we mean former Christendom) nations who currently inhabit Palestine are of the ‘homo sovieticus mentality’ as you state, then you’ve shot yourself in the foot because the sovieticus mentality is Judaism which is Communism which is Judaism.
    As for this pseudo-scientific idea of “openness”: You wrote, “Linking Jewish liberalism to the personality trait of Openness is problematic because liberalism is not a notable characteristic of Jews”. As anyone who has looked at this problem for any period of time knows: Jews ALWAYS play the Balance of Terror game…or the Balance of Power game. Some Jews will play the conservative, orthodox role while others play the liberal, secular role (aka the “openness” role); otherwise the goy would catch on MUCH too quickly that anyone who professes Judaism professes a racial supremacist, political ideology which masquerades as a religion.
    All one needs do is read the Torah aka the Old Testament; it’s all in there in spades.

  101. Che Guava says:

    the other Jews who get in.

    So, you are a Jew who didn’t get in?

    Srsly, I have friends who played at SWSX last year, they were having fun, but from what I read about Austin Texas, sure would not like to study there.

    What was your preferred field?

    Basket-weaving as an oppositional activity?

    Most (not all) master’s degrees are cheap in any case, just there for subsidised people, whether by govt. or family.

    Take a tough baccalaureate, study by yourself before, during, and after, then You don’ need no steenking master’s.

    The setting is mid-west, not Texas, but of the five or six De Lillo novels I have read, I only like two, one is White Noise, very funny in many parts, esp. (not only) on U.S. academia.

    If you are really desperate for a ‘master’s degree’, consider studying overseas. Several universities in Japan, for example, offer ‘master’s’ programmes with instruction and assignments only in English.

  102. utu says:

    OT: ‘Terrible massacre’: Israel kills 55, injures 2,771 Gaza protesters as US embassy opens in Jerusalem

    https://www.rt.com/news/426617-gaza-protests-embassy-jerusalem/

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  103. Sean says:
    @AaronB

    Risky strategies like that are only adopted when they become necessary because one is losing and nothing else works. It is giving up advantages to go to a strategy that has long odds against it succeeding while there are less perilous courses of action to the same objective. If your ancesters went on as you are proposing we do you would not be here, rely on it.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  104. One thing is certain: one cannot critically and dispassionately analyze positive & negative traits and influences of American Jews, their identities & ties with Israel. MacDonald’s article is ~ 30% correct & true, while the rest is an amalgam of his projections, prejudices or simply ignorance.

    Most commenters, with just a few exceptions, are good, prospective candidates for loony bin.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  105. My bet is that cheknazis have higher cognitive diversity included obviously higher rates of anti-social personality and linked with collectivistic personalities. Astuteness may be used as, partly, an explanation to the current mega-jewish success in the west. Organized jewry use their ”leftists” against western host while it’s the norm in ”traditional” societies psycho-phenotypically different people be ostracized, excluded from broader or mainstream social circles.

    Traditional collectivism is a psychological mirroring of natural selection mechanisms: reduce phenotypical diversity and or increasing copies of current adaptative model. In harder enviroments, natural selection pressure, as ”we know”, increase, this reduce phenotypical diversity to the most successful adaptative model and also have huge outcomes to psychology because also increase phenotypical similarity = = collectivism. or not.

    It’s just like: the ”normal” ”war” between two groups is, put the strongest in the battle camp.

    But the intellectual/parasitic style war is often otherwise, put the physically weakest but intellectually capable in the battle camp, it’s a slow, corrosive macro-tactic.

    And they also exploit most of morally-missing points of the host, for example, the black slavery as a bad kharma for white-western masses and being hugely exploited against them.

    Higher rates of atheists [sometimes people who are not easily impressionable by religious norms or even any type of moral principle] also can be a factor to explain astute and evil jewish behavior [evil, not because about white guilty, but because they are exploiting it against whitey].

    Also ”emotional intelligence” may be a important factor, even because sociopaths tend to be emotionally smarter: enhanced cognitive empathy over affective.

  106. Talha says:
    @iffen

    LOL! Actually – I had only been familiar with the general/soldiers version, but that works too…

    Also – too many imams and not enough muqtadis…

    Peace.

  107. norm741 says:

    Peterson is nor {BRAVE? STUPID?} enough to go against the power of JEWS,

  108. AaronB says:
    @Sean

    I’m not sure we’re talking about the same thing.

    What I’m saying is that once you’re in a battle, the correct way to fight it is to give your all, without holding back, without reserve. This is also the best way to start a business, or study for university.

    I feel like we’ve lost this in the West.

    Of course, strategy is very important too. I’m not saying one should abandon strategy and blindly lash out.

    But a certain berserker-like ferocity is essential, once the battle commences.

    All successful cultures have that quality. Of course, it’s incompatible with being a reasonable materialist – but such cultures don’t survive.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @manorchurch
  109. peterAUS says:
    @iffen

    Reply is for Talha and you.

    I don’t believe this is limited to the “alternative” scene. I think that it is normal for politics.

    You are correct and you are wrong.

    Correct because that is reality in “blabbing” sphere. Irrelevant.
    Granted, helps dealing with reality on a personal level, but that’s it.

    Wrong because it’s never going to make any difference in the real world.

    I’ll use examples from overthrowing communist regimes in Eastern Europe by nationalists. I guess that makes sense, doesn’t it?

    When hard core nationalists felt the time was right they forged coalitions with anybody willing to go against the regime at the time. Anybody.
    They didn’t mind taking into the movement ex-Communist aparatchiks, ex/current military personnel, (lo and behold) ex-current state security people (the very people who actually imprisoned them years before…..), etc……etc….
    They won.

    Simple as that.

    What “alternative” is doing as we speak is not going to make any difference.
    It will, maybe, start getting some chance of having a shot at making a difference when start embracing anyone willing to challenge the current System. Anyone.
    Jordan Peterson is a mild example of such people.

    Won’t happen during my lifetime I guess.
    Could be wrong.
    Hope and such….3/97 probability.

    • Replies: @iffen
  110. FKA Max says: • Website
    @AaronB

    The real task is for whites to abandon materialism, dial back the Enlightenment, and all Jewish tactics will become ineffective.

    Keynes predicted the break-free point to be 2020. Jordan Peterson might (have) delay(ed) it by 5 to 10 years:

    But I don’t find it all that easy to give Keynes a pass. His dislike of Jews was somewhat central to how he understood economics.

    Keynes had this idea that Jews had brought the idea of longing for immortality to Pagan Europe. He saw that longing as positive but felt that many Jews distorted it into a longing for money. He thought that the Jews influenced the rest of Europe to love money too much and that had ruined much of European civilization. Keynes believed that by 2020, European civilization would have gotten past its Jewish-inspired love of money and would focus on other things.

    https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2009/01/some_problems_with_keynes.html

    • Replies: @AaronB
  111. peterAUS says:
    @utu

    Seen that.
    Don’t quite understand it, from pure tactical point of view.

    Probably some people closer to the ground there could enlighten us.
    I get the mass of people willing to risk their lives to “go through”. Reminds me on Erdogan supporters advancing on that bridge. Or Ukrainians advancing behind those shields into the fire. I don’t doubt that Palestinians there did have such people.
    But…..why shooting them down like that? Live ammo etc? With all means at the disposal by security forces there. No need I think. Just no need.

    Rocks/stones from a powerful slingshots? Still, no (tactical) need for live ammo in return. Especially, again, taking resources at Israeli disposal.

    Sending a message?
    What message that would be? Yes, I know what, but, again, simply doesn’t make any sense.

    The only sense I can see is:
    There were firearms in the crowd. Or, better, there was incoming live fire on Israeli security services.

    Or……….as Col. Lang did point out in that article, perhaps just a break of discipline there.
    I’d go for that, at the moment.

    If….if correct, well, that does open some interesting scenarios and possibilities.

    Interesting times.

    • Replies: @utu
  112. AaronB says:
    @FKA Max

    Interesting, I didn’t know Keynes was that prescient. He seems to have come remarkably close. Keynes was very spiritual in his own way, rare for an economist.

    The real problem is the Enlightenment and rationalism. When higher goals are missing, it’s easy to get seduced by money.

  113. Talha says:
    @AaronB

    I’m not saying one should abandon strategy and blindly lash out. But a certain berserker-like ferocity is essential, once the battle commences. All successful cultures have that quality.

    Excellent advice.

    I remember reading the dispatches Khalid ibn Walid (ra) sent to his counterpart generals on the Sassanid side…they went something along the lines of; accept terms and lay down your arms or I will send men against you who love to fight and die in the path of God as your men love wine and women.

    Now, this may have simply been him being edgy to force a surrender without having to fight, but if the Battle of Qadissiyah is any indication – he was quite serious:

    Peace.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  114. utu says:

    But Jews see it another way. They won. Little David (or rather Milton) defeated this anti-semite:

    http://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/134072/on-john-maynard-keynes-130th-birthday
    Whichever way you choose to read Keynes’ anti-Semitism, the Jews had their revenge on Keynes. In the late 1970s, due to a market crash and a national turn to conservatism and later, the rise of Reaganism and Thatcherism, Milton Friedman came to overshadow Keynes. The 5’2″ son of Jewish immigrant merchants, Friedman started the Chicago School of Economics and served on Reagen’s Economic Policy Advisory Board.

    Here Keynes about Einstein and Berlin:

    He is a naughty Jew boy covered with ink–that kind of Jew–the kind which has its head above water, the sweet, tender imps who have not sublimated immortality into compound interest. He was the nicest, and the only talented person I saw in all Berlin. … Yet if I lived there, I felt I might turn anti-Semite. For the poor Prussian is too slow and heavy on his legs for the other kind of Jews, the ones who are not imps but serving devils, with small horns, pitch forks, and oily tails. It is not agreeable to see civilization so under the ugly thumbs of its impure Jews who have all the money and the power and brains.

  115. lavoisier says: • Website
    @iffen

    That was not his argument.

    You are being dishonest.

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @iffen
  116. Rosie says:
    @lavoisier

    It took a Jewish writer to point out that the Gentiles and the Asians are being screwed.

    No, just Gentiles. Asians still have their own countries. They’re just not getting as big a share of the loot as they might like. That’s not what I would call “getting screwed.”

  117. utu says:
    @peterAUS

    Neither of the above.

    Netanyahu is doing to Trump exactly what he did to Putin. He shows that Israel will do as it pleases and nothing will moderate its behavior. He will not postpone bombing of Syria on account of V-day parade in Moscow or postpone massacring Palestinians on account of Ivanka visits and embassy opening. To the contrary he will double down and rub it in to show the world that Israel is a mad dog as Moshe Dayan said.

    Is there a treatment for rabies?

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  118. Rosie says:
    @AaronB

    But to do all this, we must not be willing to debate everything. We must have values that are simply not open to debate.

    Our right to exist would seem to be a good place to draw the line.

    • Agree: Talha, Rurik, lavoisier
    • Replies: @AaronB
  119. Rurik says:
    @lavoisier

    You are being dishonest.

    ah, that reply had slipped my notice, thanks

    his point is that Jews are always victims, no matter what, and so if anyone criticizes anything that any of them do, they are de facto anti-Semites because Jews are always victims.

    It’s circular you see.

    I hope little iffen is grateful for my explanation so that we’re all on the same page.

  120. iffen says:
    @lavoisier

    He said Jews cause anti-Semitism.

    Why would I need to be dishonest?

    • Replies: @Rurik
  121. peterAUS says:
    @utu

    Israel will do as it pleases……

    At the moment it looks that way.

    If…if that is really the case, well, that, again, opens some scenarios and possibilities I can’t say I am comfortable about.
    And, that’s taking into account that I am,designated by majority here,a rabid Hasbara/Zionazi/Neocon/whatever…perhaps even a Jew.

    Should events really go that way debating Jordan Peterson will be at the bottom of the list for most of us around.

    • Troll: utu
  122. Rurik says:
    @iffen

    He said Jews cause anti-Semitism.

    not quite, this is what I said

    If Jews weren’t promoting genocide in Europe and N. America, (not to mention Eternal War and cultural sewage) there’d be very little ‘anti-Semitism to speak of.

    so of course you were being dishonest, weren’t you?

    Natalie Portman is Jewish, but that fact nor her actions are causing anyone to be anti-Semitic, now are they?

    Jews being Jews are as inoffensive as a pretty girl, inside and out

    but BB is very offensive, isn’t he?

    • Replies: @iffen
  123. Anonymous[392] • Disclaimer says:
    @republic

    Damn. This guy is spot on.

    Too bad more of his work is not translated.

  124. Anonymous[392] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    But he is politically correct.

    Peterson is a generic older Canadian guy who goes off on a rant. He is not someone who pursues the truth, he is someone that talks more openly than the average guy because he has tenure.

    But his pursuit of truth is not so pure that he would explore the JQ sincerly.

    • Replies: @jack daniels
  125. Anonymous[392] • Disclaimer says:
    @AaronB

    I agree this seems to be effective. But what of the pursuit of truth? Why cant we call a spade a spade and instead play dumb and laugh while someone pisses on you?

    • Replies: @AaronB
  126. Anonymous[392] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    lol. Of course we can’t objectively observe Jews. They are chosen and we are just sheep.

    How ridiculous do you sound here knowing that you yourself judge other cultures all the time.

    So we can’t do these things with Jews but we can with Muslims Chinese and Blacks?

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  127. FKA Max says: • Website
    @Ron Unz

    FYI,

    so much for Jonathan Anomaly’s https://www.unz.com/author/jonathan-anomaly/ scholastic integrity:

    So what did he do? A week later he tweeted a follow-up article by Cofnas and me. And on March 23rd he wrote the blog post where he addressed anti-Semites as follows: “So, what’s the story? No conspiracy. Get it? No conspiracy. Jewish people are over-represented in positions of competence and authority because, as a group, they have a higher mean IQ.”

    Here’s the thing: Peterson is right. The average IQ of Ashkenazi Jews is the highest of any ethnic group in the world. Maybe there’s a controversy about the causes of group differences in IQ (though experts agree that IQ is highly heritable), but there’s no serious controversy about the fact that Jews have a high IQ. That’s a fact, not an “anti-Semitic dog whistle.”

    Let’s review what happened: A Jewish academic wrote a paper criticizing Kevin MacDonald, who is the most popular intellectual in the world among anti-Semites. Jordan Peterson promoted the paper that criticized MacDonald, and when he received pushback from anti-Semites, he doubled down and insisted that the anti-Semites were wrong. Then the Forward came along and declared that Peterson was engaged in “anti-Semitic dog whistl[ing],” and put a picture of him next to Hitler.

    You can’t make this stuff up.

    http://quillette.com/2018/05/13/libel-jordan-peterson-forward-story-journalistic-failure/

    Apparently, you can make this stuff up… …”the [Jewish] IQ=115 “urban legend”” that is, if your name is Jordan Peterson, et al.

    Is Jonathan Anomaly an academic “Jewish berserker”?

    The Koch Brothers are also in the mix. You can’t make this stuff up!

    Prof accuses Jewish academic of backing Nazi-style eugenics

    - The University of Arizona hosted a panel discussion last week criticizing the school’s “Freedom Center” for accepting funding from the Koch Institute, fretting that “the Koch network’s goal is to move this country to the right.”

    - During the event, a history professor accused Freedom Center scholar Dr. Jonathan Anomaly of advocating Nazi-style eugenics in a research article, which Anomaly, who is Jewish, called “disgusting.”

    In a statement to Campus Reform, Anomaly further blasted Gibbs for mischaracterizing his work, labeling his remarks as “absurd.”

    “The idea that I’m a Nazi sympathizer, which Gibbs implied, is especially absurd not only because I’m Jewish, but because I wrote this harsh critique of the anti-Semitism of some people on the ‘alt right’ last month, and this follow-up,” he explained. “These articles have been heavily promoted by people on the right and left, such as Steven Pinker and Jordan Peterson.”

    Source: https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=10751 Archived link: http://archive.is/EVeTw

    P.s. for other readers and commenters:

    Here Mr. Unz’s comment creating and defining the term “Jewish berserkers”:

    …a sizeable number of what might be called “Jewish berserkers,” namely fanatic Jewish-activist types. Their wild, ferocious attacks on any individual or institution suspected of being less than friendly toward Jews tend to drastically discourage most people from scrutinizing or investigating Jewish behavior,…

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/forward-is-jordan-peterson-enabling-jew-hatred/#comment-2328798

    and Jordan Peterson’s (indirect) connection to the Jewish Defense League (which I believe is a Mossad front group) through his relationship with Jewish-Canadian, neocon extraordinaire Ezra Levant: https://www.unz.com/isteve/forward-is-jordan-peterson-enabling-jew-hatred/#comment-2328862

    ”But my own suspicion is that the Israeli Mossad had a hand in the thing,” he said, referring to the Israeli secret service. ”They probably used J.D.L. local people who did the technical work on it, local terrorists.”https://www.nytimes.com/1985/11/09/us/fbi-says-jewish-defense-league-may-have-planted-fatal-bombs.html

    Claire Lehmann, who is is the founder and editor-in-chief of Quillette.com, which publishes Jonathan Anomaly and Jordan Peterson who regularly promotes it and her on Twitter, is also connected to Ezra Levant:

    …Jordan Peterson and Claire Lehmann were both supported and pushed by Ezra Levant in/from the very beginning. Jordan Peterson still appears on Ezra Levant’s show every now and then, I believe. That doesn’t necessarily make them neocons themselves but they are promoted by them, they travel in their circles and thus are part of the broader Neocon orbit, in my opinion…http://www.unz.com/isteve/nyt-meet-the-renegades-of-the-intellectual-dark-web/#comment-2324975

    • Replies: @FKA Max
  128. Anonymous[378] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ron Unz

    Jewish Genius: Charles Murray

    https://www.aei.org/publication/jewish-genius/

    What accounts for this remarkable record? A full answer must call on many characteristics of Jewish culture, but intelligence has to be at the center of the answer. Jews have been found to have an unusually high mean intelligence as measured by IQ tests since the first Jewish samples were tested. (The widely repeated story that Jewish immigrants to this country in the early 20th century tested low on IQ is a canard.) Exactly how high has been difficult to pin down, because Jewish sub-samples in the available surveys are seldom perfectly representative. But it is currently accepted that the mean is somewhere in the range of 107 to 115, with 110 being a plausible compromise.

    The IQ mean for the American population is “normed” to be 100, with a standard deviation of 15. If the Jewish mean is 110, then the mathematics of the normal distribution says that the average Jew is at the 75th percentile. Underlying that mean in overall IQ is a consistent pattern on IQ subtests: Jews are only about average on the subtests measuring visuo-spatial skills, but extremely high on subtests that measure verbal and reasoning skills.

    A group’s mean intelligence is important in explaining outcomes such as mean educational attainment or mean income. The key indicator for predicting exceptional accomplishment (like winning a Nobel Prize) is the incidence of exceptional intelligence. Consider an IQ score of 140 or higher, denoting the level of intelligence that can permit people to excel in fields like theoretical physics and pure mathematics. If the mean Jewish IQ is 110 and the standard deviation is 15, then the proportion of Jews with IQ’s of 140 or higher is somewhere around six times the proportion of everyone else.

    The imbalance continues to increase for still higher IQ’s. New York City’s public-school system used to administer a pencil-and-paper IQ test to its entire school population. In 1954, a psychologist used those test results to identify all 28 children in the New York public-school system with measured IQ’s of 170 or higher. Of those 28, 24 were Jews.

    Exceptional intelligence is not enough to explain exceptional accomplishment. Qualities such as imagination, ambition, perseverance, and curiosity are decisive in separating the merely smart from the highly productive. The role of intelligence is nicely expressed in an analogy suggested to me years ago by the sociologist Steven Goldberg: intelligence plays the same role in an intellectually demanding task that weight plays in the performance of NFL offensive tackles. The heaviest offensive tackle is not necessarily the best. Indeed, the correlation between weight and performance among NFL offensive tackles is probably quite low. But they all weigh more than 300 pounds.

    So with intelligence. The other things count, but you must be very smart to have even a chance of achieving great work. A randomly selected Jew has a higher probability of possessing that level of intelligence than a randomly selected member of any other ethnic or national group, by far.

    • Replies: @FKA Max
  129. Miro23 says:

    Moreover, the general take-home message of The Culture of Critique is that the movements I describe were not open to innovative ideas or disconfirming evidence. Participants slavishly worshiped charismatic leaders, like Freud, Boas, Trotsky, and Luxemburg; they formed mutual admiration societies by citing and promoting each other. Dissenters were simply expelled or ignored.

    With insiders/outsiders, enforcement, rewards and penalties, there’s something Jim Jones like about all this.

    Jones started the Peoples Temple in Indiana during the 1950s. He moved the Temple to California in the mid-1960s and gained notoriety with its activities in San Francisco in the early 1970s. He then relocated to Guyana. In 1978, media reports surfaced that human rights abuses were taking place in the Peoples Temple in Jonestown. United States Congressman Leo Ryan led a delegation into the commune to investigate what was going on; Ryan and others were murdered by gunfire while boarding a return flight with defectors. Jones subsequently committed a mass murder-suicide of 918 of his followers, 304 of whom were children, almost all by cyanide poisoning via a Flavor Aid. This historical episode gave rise to the American-English expression “drinking the Kool-Aid”.

    Wikipedia

  130. Yevardian says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Just take my word that it’s not at all a serious work of historiography. Scholars of USSR or Maoist China disregarded it as a work of shoddy quality and outdated figures on its release. Neocons and Libertarian autistes love the book because it makes their own dystopian dreams look more attractive.

  131. anon[217] • Disclaimer says:

    If Ashkenazi Jews do indeed have such high IQ, then why wasn’t Poland the richest and most successful nation in Europe? After all, Poland had been the most tolerant and welcoming country to Jews since the year 1025 and was home to the largest population of Jews throughout much of Europe’s history. Instead, Poland was probably the most invaded country in Europe, and the Jews were not in the habit of helping to defend the country from all the invasions.

    Instead, the Jews were involved in the establishment of the Soviet Union and we all know how that turned out.

    Also, why didn’t Jews come up with the industrial revolution? Discovered electricity or vaccines that cured most of the deadliest virus borne diseases?

    Jews succeed in commerce because that is the one field that requires the most dishonesty and clannishness to succeed. Dishonest people always make honest people look stupid by comparison. That’s the real “smarts” of the Jews, they are dishonest, ruthless and clannish.

    Kevin McDonald is right in his assessment that the Chinese in Southeast Asia, often called the Jews of Southeast Asia, differ from the Jews in one very important regard. The Chinese are not politically ambitious and are not a meddlesome lot. They mostly stick to commerce or become professionals in medicine, engineering, science or accounting, and steer clear of journalism, the law, academia or politics. Jews would be much more welcomed everywhere if they act the same.

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  132. denk says:
    @iffen

    Jews…….…………?

    WTS, White trash supremacists like you have been an existential threat to the world for the past five centuries. !

    • Replies: @Anon
  133. FKA Max says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    Jewish Genius was published on April 1st, 2007 in Commentary ;-)

    Jewish Genius

    Jews are extravagantly overrepresented in every field of intellectual accomplishment. Why?
    Charles Murray / Apr. 1, 2007

    https://www.commentarymagazine.com/articles/jewish-genius/

    Conclusion

    Overt and covert Jewish supremacists have embroidered a fake history and legacy of exceptional intelligence ignoring the context of advanced non-Jewish science and cultures, which preceded and later provided Jews with opportunities for education and wealth.

    The danger inherent in all ethno-centric tribes is that they work to dominate majority populations by creating systems of assigning superiority and inferiority. They then use these to justify growing inequalities of wealth, education and political power!

    Historically favored minorities tend to overreach and, like the eyeless Sampson, bring down the Temple on everyone. Power corrupts and absolute ethno-chauvinist power corrupts absolutely. Intelligent Jews of principle are abandoning this Temple built on injustice and myths: Over one-third of Israeli Jews would leave Israel now, if they could. Perhaps their disenchantment with the tribal ethnocracy governing Israel is reflected in the desire of many non-Jewish Jews in America for a truly just, non-tribal society.

    https://www.unz.com/jpetras/judeo-centrism-myths-and-mania/#p_1_56

  134. anon[217] • Disclaimer says:
    @hyperbola

    Quite amazing. I admire the professor for speaking out. Imagine how much more Dr. Troian could’ve accomplished in her research if she hadn’t had to deal with this Israeli espionage. But the question that we must ask is, if the university is conducting a project that is of highly sensitive national security concern and must be restricted from foreigners, why then did Dr. Troian hire an Israeli citizen and an Indian citizen to work as her post docs? There has to be much stricter rules on our college campuses on hiring foreign students to work as assistant researchers to highly sensitive projects that concern national security.

    I’ve lost a lot of respect for Caltech. My son is a huge fan and dreams of attending that school. Now I will probably have him cross it off the list.

    • Replies: @Mishra
  135. anon[217] • Disclaimer says:
    @republic

    contrary to Christianity or Islam, the Jews do not intent to convert others to Judaism, but rather to
    persuade them to renounce their religion their race, their identity, their family and all their traditions
    in the name of “Humanity,” and “Human rights.”

    Quite the contrary, the whole idea of multiculturalism as promoted by the Jews is for each group to embrace its own roots and culture instead someone else’s. This will make every group an out group in the Western world so that Jews are no longer the only out group.

  136. HamishH says:
    @(((They))) Live

    I agree. The ‘JQ’ is very peripheral to what he does. He works with individuals, and his best stuff is for individuals. Group identity actually doesn’t help individuals, only whole societies. Chicken and egg.

    Dammit people, he’s not the antichrist!

  137. @Anonymous

    Cognitive dissonance? Of course Jews can be sociologically & psychologically analyzed like any other ethnic group. Just, the approach characteristic of MacDonald & similar ideologues is nothing more than propaganda of their own projections, not a dispassionate study.

    • Replies: @jack daniels
    , @Anonymous
  138. HamishH says:
    @Glenfilthie

    ‘You have to understand who Jordan Peterson is. He is a classical liberal with a smattering of intellect and common sense – and he’s gone public with it right in the heart of the lunatic hive of progressive SJW political correctness.’

    He’s also focused heavily on the individual. On the scale of the individual, group ID means bugger-all. If you’re talking to a black African in an office in London, he’s almost certain to have an IQ close to yours, just by the fact that he got there. If you’re trying to help someone sort their life out, does it help to say to them, ‘Your problems are caused by the JOOZ in the meedja!’?

    Does it?

    • Replies: @jack daniels
  139. @utu

    Good points. Whether Jewish dominance is in accord with Jewish IQ is distinct from whether Jewish dominance exists, and that is distinct from whether Jews, when acting as a group, are using their power for good. That Jews are aggressively on the left is routinely admitted by Jews writing for a Jewish audience (e.g. Sternlicht’s comment that anyone with an ounce of mother’s wit knows that Jews are on the right of any issue on cold days in Hell.) If you think the left is harmful, you will worry about the power of Jews. Over-arching these questions is the issue of whether it is okay to talk about it. The mainstream answer is No, unless you are a Jew talking about anti-Semitism. Yet important matters might be at stake: The power of the Jewish lobby is driving us into an adversarial relationship with Russia that could be very disadvantageous to Christians, in that Russia could spearhead and protect a Christian/anti-political-correctness revival in eastern Europe. IMO this is the chief motive behind their position. Does past persecution of Jews justify rules of engagement by which Jews cannot be criticized but are free to complain about WASPs, evangelicals, the Catholic church, Islam, rednecks, Irish, Poles, Russians, and Slavs generally? They also feel free to judge black culture, black movements, and black leaders, smacking down anti-Semites like Farrakhan, Baraka or Ture (Stokely Carmichael.) Jews have taken the lead in declaring the equal potential of all races and near-equality of all individuals, and also argue from a social justice viewpoint in favor of affirmative action in hiring and admissions, so they are not in a good position to appeal to superior genetics when their own over-representation is complained of.

  140. iffen says:
    @Rurik

    so of course you were being dishonest, weren’t you?

    No, rational and logical.

    If Jews weren’t promoting genocide in Europe and N. America, (not to mention Eternal War and cultural sewage)

    False statements, therefore, false conclusion:

    there’d be very little ‘anti-Semitism to speak of.

    Anti-Semitism comes first; reasons, justifications and embellishments later.

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @Mishra
  141. iffen says:
    @peterAUS

    You are correct and you are wrong.

    Where, oh where have all the Brownshirts and Mensheviks gone?

    I completely agree with you, but only when the timing is right.

    People are not going to follow a bunch of neo-Nazis.

    You have to have a “proper choosing up” of sides first.

    For myself, and I assume many others, I would rather be ruled by an ugly, transgendered, fat faggoty tattooed low IQ bull dyke than a bunch of Hitler worshippers.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
    , @Mishra
  142. @Anonymous

    Having tenure is certainly helpful but it doesn’t explain Peterson’s audacity nor his focus and eloquence on most of the issues he discusses. If he is not up to the challenge of the JQ, neither is anyone else who is allowed into mainstream discussions. It’s the Bermuda Triangle of sociology. I don’t mean to excuse his disingenuous comments but nobody’s perfect.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  143. @HamishH

    In sorting one’s problems in life, assessing the role of influences is important. I grew up in a Jewish neighborhood and as a result I am able to notice the Jewishness of many themes and values that are more or less forced upon the gentile public. If it’s reasonable for blacks, gays, women, and Jews to worry about how the culture may be messing them up internally, as opposed to merely denying them opportunities, why would it not be reasonable to think about how Jews and their pet ideas and causes undermine an Anglo-Saxon Christian’s struggle to define himself and find suitable ideals and projects? Without Jewish activism of the past 50 years American society would be unrecognizably different, for better or worse. If one thinks some of the effects harmful, why not talk about it and try to undo some of the damage?

  144. @Bardon Kaldian

    In sociology, genuine dispassion is rare if it exists at all. But while other groups – Baptists, Catholics, Muslims, WASPs, blacks, Appalachians, Slavs — may be freely discussed and unflattering conclusions arrived at, Jews can only be discussed if the conclusions affirm their goodness and their suffering.

  145. AaronB says:
    @Anonymous

    You cannot pursue truth with people of bad character. We must return to judging character as the most important thing.

    There is this crazy Enlightenment idea that the character of the person doesn’t matter, just the idea. That’s Enlightenment abstraction. This is nuts. Yes, an idea is good or bad regardless of who speaks it – but you do not debate with bad people, you do not seem truth with them.

  146. Vojkan says:

    Even if Jews really had a much higher IQ than non-Jews, of which I doubt very much given my experience with them, that wouldn’t entitle them to rule what other people think or do and that definitely doesn’t entitle them to destroy the traditional way of life and culture of people of European ascent. Having a higher IQ or pretending to be “chosen by God” doesn’t give anyone any special prerogative or privilege. Jewish supremacism, whether justified by IQ, by wealth or by being God’s favourite people, is the problem, just as German supremacism was, and I believe than it can’t be argued than given their prior achievements, the Germans had a much more solid case for their contention.

    • Replies: @utu
  147. AaronB says:
    @Rosie

    Absolutely.

    You do not “objectively”, “rationally” examine European history for the purpose of determining whether Europeans are “evil”. Your history is sacred. You may be willing to admit wrongdoing and mistakes, and he honest about facts, and become morally better through examining your errors, but the overall context must be of a sacred history glorifying your people.

    The moment someone reveals their intent is to “rationally” prove European history is “uniquely evil” or some such nonsense, you don’t debate. You attack. Or shut down the debate. Because that is what they are doing to you – under the guise of “rationality”.

    Jewish history is brutally honest about their crimes – see the bible. But only among themselves. Not among outsiders. But Jewish culture is not an Enlightenment tradition.

    The centrality of “rational debate” in our culture must end.

    • Replies: @utu
    , @jack daniels
  148. AaronB says:
    @Talha

    Absolutely.

    In modern Enlightenment fashion, we call this “fanatacism” . But in fact it’s merely the essential quality of any effective person.

    It all comes back to Voltaire and his “no enthusiasm” – the watchword of modern white culture is “no enthusiasm” ! And we wonder why there is widespread apathy and depression? Voltaire didn’t say ” wisely guided enthusiasm ” or “enthusiasm directed towards higher ends”.

    He literally thought the solution to human problems – is to neuter humans. He couldn’t handle the fact that life is challenging, and requires wisdom, character, and discernment to navigate well – so he tried simply to neuter us. And European culture needed his call.

    But without enthusiasm, there is only death.

  149. Anonymous[989] • Disclaimer says:
    @CBTerry

    He cries all the fucking time.

    I was quite moved at first until I realised it was his modus operandi :/

  150. Anonymous[392] • Disclaimer says:
    @jack daniels

    Ugghhh. How lame.

    Being audacious and eloquent except when it starts to get uncomfortable is more than useless. It is harmful.

    If he is not sincere is his journey to explore the truth and say uncomfortable things he should keep quiet and talk about non controversial things.

  151. Anonymous[392] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Nice objective analysis.

    You totally ducked anything specific and just said he is biased.

    I’ll take this victory and ignore you till you have something interesting to say.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    , @utu
  152. vinteuil says:

    There is this crazy Enlightenment idea that the character of the person doesn’t matter, just the idea.

    What major enlightenment figure says this? Can you support your claim with quotes?

    • Replies: @DFH
    , @AaronB
  153. DFH says:
    @vinteuil

    He always talks in thesse vague, mystical terms. With a concept as nebulous as ‘the Enlightenment’ you can say that it was about anything and its opposite.

  154. @Anonymous

    I’ve already said that most MacDonald’s claims were bogus. Since I am not too interested in the topic (Peterson, Jewish conspiracy, IQ, Ivy League over/under-representation,..), I’ll just copy-paste what I’ve posted on his magnum opus & that would be it.

    To analyze most of his specific claims is as useless & boring as are most of his grand assertions.

    I don’t see much new in Kevin MacDonald’s response to Confas’ critique (which is, by the way, too limited & ahistorical). MacDonald has just re-iterated his old claims:

    [MORE]

    * Jews “follow group evolutionary strategy”. He didn’t prove that such a strategy exists at all, apart from a trivial observation that any human collective wants to preserve its identity & to thrive. No “strategy” in such a behavior.

    * also, the author’s description of “Jewish movements” is non-verifiable & actually difficult to describe. From what I know of Marxism, psychoanalysis or Leninism- these were not “Jewish” movements, neither in intellectual genesis nor with regard to their proponents.
    What about other intellectual currents, prominent in 20th & 21st C? Do these movements or cultural currents qualify as “Jewish”: anarchism, free-love leftism, Expressionism, Cubism, Dadaism, German phenomenology in philosophy, cultural critique (Derrida & Foucault following Heidegger), New Left with its post-1968 ideology, multiculturalism as ideology, Jungian archetypal psychology, New Age ideologies, radical Feminism, “New Atheism”, evolutionary psychology, sociobiology, various schools of economics (Austrian, Chicago,..), structuralism in humanities, ..?
    I know next to nothing on Boasian anthropology, but I do know quite a lot about Communism & various branches of psychoanalysis, and I don’t see how one can show these movement are “Jewish” in origin or history? For instance, except for being Austrian Jew, what is “Jewish” in early, Freudian variant of psychoanalysis? This “school” was a product of German culture during fin de siecle & the general knowledge of psychiatry during these times. What is “Jewish” in its structure, values or general trend, in its goals, or in its map of human psyche?

    * what about areas where ethnic Jews are over-represented in 20th & 21st fields: theoretical physics, all branches of mathematics, chess masters, computer science, violin virtuosi, philanthropists in arts & curators of museums, film directors & producers, ..? Are these areas somehow driven by Jewish interests, whether conscious or not? How can we ascertain this?

    Although I admire MacDonald’s work in demolition of maudlin myth the core American Jewish community has over time built about it (eternal victims & universal humanitarians), I don’t see his work as dispassionate analysis that would be close to even such a non-exact “science” as evolutionary psychology claims to be. With its broad sweep of generalizations, MacDonald’s work on historical traits of Judaism (as culture) is not unlike other historiosophies, similar to St. Augustine, Gioacchino da Fiore, Hegel, Marx or Spengler.

    There are insights in these works- but they are basically an imaginative construction, not more.

    Evo-psych is not much of a science, which makes it similar to psychoanalysis. I am not saying it is worthless, just … MacDonald simply does not understand roots of Freudian psychoanalysis (Schopenhauer, Pierre Janet, intellectual climate of the fin de siecle, ..). Freud thought of himself as “Darwin of the Mind” & hoped that his “metaphysics of mind” would prove to be as exact as biology or physiology at the turn of the century. Nothing “subversive” about it, just a failed science & great literature. Freud’s work remains one of the monuments of modern German (and Western) literature, similar to that of literary philosophers like Schopenhauer & Nietzsche- but it is basically useless either as a branch of psychiatry or a therapy. Essentially, Freud was a mythmaker (primal horde, the dynamic unconscious which is subconscious, triple division of mind, complexes, defense mechanisms, eros & thanatos,..). You have all this (and more) in Sophocles, Shakespeare, Schopenhauer & Dostoevsky. Were they, what, “Aryan” subversives?

    Ashkenazi IQ myth. http://www.unz.com/article/iq-or-the-mathverbal-split/

    In essence, this is a complex issue & one can not find strong correlation between higher IQ & human accomplishment. Historically, most Jewish accomplishment came from Sephardi/Iberian & North-African Jews (Maimonides, Joseph Karo, Spinoza, ..), while Ashkenazim were lagging until German Enlightenment in late 18th C.

    We simply don’t know why some groups (Greeks in 700 BC to 200 BC, Mongols in 12th C to 14th C, Florentine Italians from 1300 to 1600, Germans from 1750s to 1940s, ..) are vastly over-represented in many areas, or in some specific fields. Jewish over-representation is now perhaps 100-150 years long. Why? We don’t know.

    US Jews are naturally leftists because they come, overwhelmingly, from eastern European highly politicized, “progressivist” & socialist milieu of the 2nd half of the 19th C.

    As for Frankfurt school, Marxism,… MacDonald does not know much about these issues. He is probably too old to revise his ideas, but his followers could try to broaden their horizons.

  155. AaronB says:
    @vinteuil

    Voltaire – “surtout, pas de zele”

    • Replies: @vinteuil
  156. Jordan Peterson Is A Willing Accomplice In The WHITE GENOCIDE Plot.

    Jordan Peterson Is An Evil Baby Boomer.

    • Replies: @gsjackson
  157. utu says:
    @Anonymous

    If you want to see an example of “dispassionate study” in action ask Bardon Kaldian about atrocities committed by Croatians.

  158. utu says:
    @AaronB

    Jewish history is brutally honest about their crimes – see the bible. But only among themselves. Not among outsiders.

    I do not think so. The majority of Jews is oblivious to all the bad stuff. All they know that they were the eternal victims and history of their historical (not biblical) deeds is sanitized. How many Jews know of massacres of few hundred thousands of Christians in Cyprus during Kitos war? And we know that they are in total denial of their role in Bolshevik crimes except for those who are faring from the families who were proud participants.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @jack daniels
  159. vinteuil says:
    @AaronB

    Seriously?

    I guess you think the idea that “character doesn’t matter, just the idea” is to be found somewhere among the emanations from the penumbra of the admonition surtout, pas de zele?

    Have you ever considered a career as a justice of the Supreme Court?

    • Replies: @AaronB
  160. utu says:
    @Vojkan

    I keep wondering how the meme of Jewish high IQ started and whether all this dubious IQ research is funded by Jewish money. It is obvious that racialist and racists Whites you can encounter here and particularly at iSailer all they get from it is a consolation prize of feeling superior to Blacks and Mexicans. But many of them are quite happy with it.

  161. @AaronB

    What I’m saying is that once you’re in a battle, the correct way to fight it is to give your all, without holding back, without reserve.

    Robert E. Lee would disagree, on grounds of strategic design being far more valuable in battle than brute force.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  162. AaronB says:
    @utu

    Good points.

    There is certainly ignorance of more recent Jewish crimes, and whitewashing, denials. Etc. The general picture is one of victimhood.

    However, when I sit down with my orthodox Jewish friends and I point out Jewish crimes, the reaction is complex and interesting – there are smirks and smiles, glances exchanged between each other, momentary admissions accompanied by indifference, mixed with attacks on me, lots of hyperventilating, faked outrage, posturing, change of subject, etc.

    It is a curious, cognitively-dissonant, highly mixed, volatile, reaction – it is both smirking acceptance of bad behavior, mischievous pride in it even, as well as insisting on pure victimized and eternal righteousness – simultaneously. You must remember we are not dealing with an Enlightenment culture here – that is the crucial point to remember! Linear categories do not apply.

    You must remember that to them I am a quasi-outsider – they are trying to bring back into the Jewish fold (ha!) – but I am far from a full fledged member.

    The bible is a record of Jewish crimes and bad behavior in the manner of no other people’s sacred book – and there is much of this in the Talmud. However the context is of an overarching divine mission and sense of sacred closeness that neutralizes and transcends mere bad behaviour.

    Once you have a firm belief that you are basically good in a fundamental, sacred sense, you can accept bad behavior, but only among yourselves.

  163. AaronB says:
    @vinteuil

    You are either not arguing in good faith, or are stupid.

    Your original question to me was which enlightenment figure said “no enthusiasm”.

    I answered that, and now you are acting as if your original question was about “character doesn’t matter, just the idea”, and that this cannot be derived from Voltaire’s remark (obviously).

    I do not have time for such games. If you aren’t stupid, and want a serious discussion, demonstrate integrity. If you think your remark makes sense, then no hard feelings, but unfortunately I cannot help you.

    • Replies: @vinteuil
  164. AaronB says:
    @manorchurch

    They do not exclude each other.

    You are over 50 and white correct? No problem. Continue neglecting emotional factors and believe in pure, pristine intellect. It is quite clear why your generation surrendered to Jews. Your generation must be written off as hopeless.

    Good luck with what life is left you, and I now must focus on serious matters.

    • Replies: @manorchurch
  165. vinteuil says:
    @AaronB

    Your original question to me was which enlightenment figure said “no enthusiasm”.

    Please re-read 153 above.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  166. gsjackson says:
    @Charles Pewitt

    I doubt that’s London in 1960 on the left — miniskirts, a few early Beatles haircuts. I’ll guess 1968. But point taken — a world of difference from today.

    • Agree: Charles Pewitt
  167. AaronB says:
    @vinteuil

    You are right. I owe you an apology. It seems I am the stupid one :) My sincere apologies for lashing out at you.

    Well, I don’t know if any enlightenment figure actually said that. But it is certainly a current belief that you hear a lot, and I believe it’s valid to infer that it derives from the Enlightenment culture of abstraction – where an idea is abstracted from its concrete surroundings, and evaluated on its own.

    I favor a return to the concrete – an idea should be evaluated with reference to its origin, and the general context in which it first appeared. Only then can we properly respond to it.

    The very same idea, advocated by a Jew or a white person, should be evaluated differently by us. This is a profoundly anti-Enlightenment notion, it seems to me.

  168. @AaronB

    They do not exclude each other.

    Most frequently, they do.

    You are over 50 and white correct? No problem. Continue neglecting emotional factors and believe in pure, pristine intellect.

    You are under 50 and coal-black, right?

    Got it. You’re a total asshole by choice. Been there, done that. CYA.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  169. AaronB says:
    @manorchurch

    Sorry. I don’t mean to be an asshole. And I write you off with regret – I sincerely wish you well.

    It’s just that I no longer think its useful to argue with people too affected by the “cult of reason”. It is not your fault, but you cannot change, and your attitudes landed us in this mess.

    With all the best wishes to your generation, we must move on.

    • Replies: @manorchurch
  170. @AaronB

    With all the best wishes to your generation, we must move on.

    Uh huh. I’ve got more “been there done thats” then you could imagine. Long life, much experience.

    I don’t mind if you move on — you should. But, what’s the likelihood your cohort can do that? Or will do that?

    Negligible, at best. But, do make plans. ;-)

    • Replies: @AaronB
  171. Vojkan says:
    @utu

    Well, if they believe that Lady Gaga is superior to Duke Ellington, who am I to contradict?

  172. @AaronB

    I agree with you that Jews are, in general, more open and honest than other groups in discussing their flaws and foibles. Their seriousness as scholars and thinkers overcomes any temptation to distort facts for ephemeral purposes. However, this candor is most noticeable in books and articles written for a scholarly audience. It does not leak into the Weekly Standard or even the New York Times. The question is, given that some critics of Jews or Israel are dangerous haters, should all (gentile) critics be subject to laws and practices severely punishing anything negative?

    • Replies: @AaronB
  173. AaronB says:
    @manorchurch

    Negligible, at best. But, do make plans. ;-)

    Why undermine our motivation? You should be rooting for us.

    • Replies: @manorchurch
  174. @utu

    I keep wondering how the meme of high IQ as ‘merit’ got started. Adam Smith would agree with Baden Powell that all the virtues of the public contribute to prosperity, while Turing thought that in the future the market value of IQ would sag and the market value of biceps would soar — something he hoped for, since despite being a genius he disliked the culture of the educated.

    • Replies: @Vojkan
  175. @utu

    One side-effect of the IQ obsession is that other kinds of right-wing belief get pushed aside. The Alt Right has the virtue of demanding an attitude of defiance toward the left and establishment right, but, being mostly young people, is disposed to take for granted the hegemonic status of many attitudes that are products of successful leftist agitation, as regards family and sexual norms and religion. What we have lacked for 50 years is a right that is both defiant and concerned about the culture. Social conservatives are aware that Jews see them as a threat and make it their first priority to prove to Jews that they are harmless. For this purpose their main tactic is losing.

  176. @AaronB

    Why undermine our motivation? You should be rooting for us.

    LOL. Undermine a motivation to watch an endless procession of Youtube prank videos on a smartphone?

    I sincerely hope your cohort develops some worthy ambition and a decent plan for achieving it.

  177. AaronB says:
    @jack daniels

    I believe you have misunderstood me.

    I do not think Jews are objective at all, or that they display objective scholarship. Particularly not that.

    I say among themselves, Jews are not ashamed of their crimes and had behaviour, because they see it in the context of a larger divine mission. What Jews say to outsiders is quite different from how they speak among themselves.

    I am suggesting likewise that whites should among themselves allow a certain amount of limited criticism, but to non-whites they should generally praise themselves. To do this, however, whites must abandon materialism and have a religion, a culture, a morality – this will allow whites to see their bad behavior in the context of a larger self-respect that derives from a sense of representing divine laws (a sense of “rightness” that comes from knowing they are followers of the Tao), from a sense of knowingly striving – even if often failing – to obey divinely mandated moral laws, and from having a way of life that nourishes the emotions and sense of beauty, thus is intrinsically enjoyable and felt to be a superior way of life.

    These are the sources of self-respect.

    Jews partially, and in a corrupt manner, realize some of these ideals – which is the source of their temporary advantage over whites. But they are daily growing more corrupt, and their advantage is daily declining.

    • Replies: @Talha
  178. @utu

    Perhaps you can help me with a question about that. It’s clear that most of the top Bolshevik leaders were ethnic Jews, but as to the crimes themselves we usually just hear statistics thrown around without connection to specific scenarios. Apart from the Holodomor, what instances are there of mass-murder by Bolsheviks, especially prior to the Stalin era? Or was it an accumulation of thousands of incidents of local brutality?
    Thanks for any comments.

    • Replies: @utu
  179. It’s all very depressing. Jordan Peterson’s masters are Jung, Dostoyevsky, and Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn. He knows what’s up, but he realizes that his now glorious career is in danger of being destroyed. It’s very sad. I was just watching him lecture people about the dangers of not speaking the truth. He said, essentially, “Is you’re job preventing you from telling the truth? Then get another job!” In fairness to him, there are some truths you CAN speak and then get another job, but telling one particular truth will prevent you from getting any jobs. The most despicable commenters here are the ones who disingenuously say, “Jews succeed because they work hard, and losers blame all their problems on innocent Jews. You guys are just as bad as the minorities blaming white people for all their problems.” There is an obvious, fundamental difference: Jews have such awesome, crushing power because they fastidiously, brilliantly, relentlessly help their own to the detriment of non-Jews. But if Non-Jews tried using the same strategy, Jews would literally make a federal case out of it.

  180. @utu

    One benefit of the IQ discussion for white gentiles (inferior not only to Jews but to Asians!) is to force public acceptance of a substantial genetic role in the success or failure of groups in acquiring wealth and power. If that role is granted, the legs are swept out from under a lot of bad social policy and moral denunciations of “white (gentile) society.” Without the “force multiplier” of Victim Advocacy, leading to 70-90% Democrat vote for official victim groups, the Jewish left is rendered less powerful, since, once elected, Democrats pursue social policies advocated by Jews. That’s one aspect of it.

    • Replies: @utu
  181. Ron Unz says:
    @utu

    I keep wondering how the meme of Jewish high IQ started and whether all this dubious IQ research is funded by Jewish money.

    Actually, I think this perspective is quite mistaken. As I discussed in my long Meritocracy analysis, for some decades academic achievement among American Jews was really quite extraordinary, with a group constituting perhaps 3% of the population capturing 20-40% of the top academic awards, including those based on quite objective criteria:

    http://www.unz.com/runz/the-myth-of-american-meritocracy/#p_6_3

    The U.S. Math Olympiad began in 1974, and all the names of the top scoring students are easily available on the Internet. During the 1970s, well over 40 percent of the total were Jewish, and during the 1980s and 1990s, the fraction averaged about one-third. However, during the thirteen years since 2000, just two names out of 78 or 2.5 percent appear to be Jewish. The Putnam Exam is the most difficult and prestigious mathematics competition for American college students, with five or six Putnam winners having been selected each year since 1938. Over 40 percent of the Putnam winners prior to 1950 were Jewish, and during every decade from the 1950s through the 1990s, between 22 percent and 31 percent of the winners seem to have come from that same ethnic background. But since 2000, the percentage has dropped to under 10 percent, without a single likely Jewish name in the last seven years.

    This consistent picture of stark ethnic decline recurs when we examine the statistics for the Science Talent Search, which has been selecting 40 students as national finalists for America’s most prestigious high school science award since 1942, thus providing a huge statistical dataset of over 2800 top science students. During every decade from the 1950s through the 1980s, Jewish students were consistently 22–23 percent of the recipients, with the percentage then declining to 17 percent in the 1990s, 15 percent in the 2000s, and just 7 percent since 2010. Indeed, of the thirty top ranked students over the last three years, only a single one seems likely to have been Jewish. Similarly, Jews were over one-quarter of the top students in the Physics Olympiad from 1986 to 1997, but have fallen to just 5 percent over the last decade, a result which must surely send Richard Feynman spinning in his grave.

    It’s hardly surprising that individuals, whether Jewish and Gentile, who came to age under such a situation permanently imprinted the results in their minds, and never noticed the later decline. Frankly, I was quite shocked myself when I began examining the more recent data, everyone I shared them with was equally shocked, which was one reason my article caused quite a stir.

    Even with the best of intentions, people often tend to embed stereotypes, both positive and negative, in their minds.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    , @utu
  182. Rurik says:
    @iffen

    Anti-Semitism comes first; reasons, justifications and embellishments later.

    have you ever wondered why?

    have you ever wondered why people so often expel the Jews from their lands?

    have you ever wondered why the people of Hungary were so keen to kill Bela Kun?

    or why the people of Poland were so angry with the Jews in their midst?

    nowadays they’re speaking more of the Jews that Poles killed during WWII, and how the Polish people owe for those crimes just like the Germans do, but did you ever wonder why Poles, (and Ukrainians and Russians and Lithuanians and Germans and Croats and Cossacks and Latvians and so many others) killed so many Jews during those terrible times?

    Why do you suppose they hated them? Because they were all evil people who resented the Jews because they were smarter and more successful?

    Or because the Jews, like Bela Kun, and others like the NKVD, when they got their hands on power, treated their Gentile victims so horrifically, that when the tables were turned, it was payback time?

    for you, is it all one-sided. IOW, are ‘the Jews’ to your mind, ever guilty?

    or in every case, are they always simply the victims of Gentile irrational hate and envy?

  183. Talha says:
    @AaronB

    To do this, however, whites must abandon materialism and have a religion, a culture, a morality – this will allow whites to see their bad behavior in the context of a larger self-respect that derives from a sense of representing divine laws (a sense of “rightness” that comes from knowing they are followers of the Tao), from a sense of knowingly striving – even if often failing – to obey divinely mandated moral laws, and from having a way of life that nourishes the emotions and sense of beauty, thus is intrinsically enjoyable and felt to be a superior way of life.

    Beautiful – and in that context I would adjust your earlier excellent advice:

    Your history is sacred. You may be willing to admit wrongdoing and mistakes, and he honest about facts, and become morally better through examining your errors, but the overall context must be of a sacred history glorifying your people God.

    That way you can truly transcend the material plane of causes and means. This is crucial in times of extreme distress and difficulty – because it cultivates the hope for the future. If you hope and believe God has your back – you cannot despair…under insurmountable odds, completely outnumbered, etc.:
    “Those unto whom men said, ‘Verily, the people have gathered against you, therefore, fear them.’ But it (only) increased them in faith, and they said: ‘God (Alone) is suffices us, and He is the Best Disposer of affairs.’” (3:173)

    I’m really hoping people are getting the crux of your advice – it is awesome! It is a really hopeful message.

    Peace.

    Note: Tao…Tao-heed – LOL!

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @AaronB
  184. Talha says:
    @Talha

    Anyone who is not inculcating a message and discourse of hope for White people is the enemy of Whites – no bones about it. I don’t care how White they are – they are not your friend.

    I’m not talking about being blindly naive to reality; I’m talking about being able to see way beyond the clouds and seeing that you get through the storm because your Maker has your back.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  185. FKA Max says: • Website
    @utu

    Christopher Jon Bjerknes has conducted much research in this field and says it , “the meme of Jewish high IQ”, started with Einstein as an ambassador for and promoter of the Zionist movement and cause (see Red Ice video below).

    There is also this paper by Peter J. White : https://thecross-roads.org/race-culture-nation/84-jewish-intellectual-supremacism-a-refutation-by-andrew-ryan-and-peter-j-white Archived link: http://archive.is/U2eJa

    Unless you have been living on planet Pluto, you should be aware of the fact that today Jews are boasting about their intellectual (and sometimes) financial achievements. Superior Jewish intelligence is celebrated in many publications. [4] Ernest van den Haag in The Jewish Mystique [5] has stated that Jews have given essential meaning to the last two thousand years of Western history. He sees the Jews as a people racially superior to all others. A full page advertisement for this book occurred in the New York Times 5 January 1970 and contained the recommendation of the Jew Ashley Montagu, an advocate of racial equity. Clearly, some races are more equal then others. Weyl and Possony alleged that Jews were inherently more intelligent than other people. They were never vilified or abused as Shockley or Jensen were. The writer C.P. Snow also stated that Jews were intellectually superior to all other people [6] and was “patted” on his head by the “American” press. Our aim in this essay is to debunk this myth of Jewish intellectual superiority. We deal first with the IQ argument.
    [...]
    4. See D. Seligman, “A Question of Intelligence,” (Birch Lane Press, New York, 1992); N. Weyl, “The Geography of American Achievement,” (Scott-Townsend Publishers, Washington DC, 1989); N. Weyl and S. Possony, “Geography of the Intellect,” (Regnery, Chicago, 1963) and S.L. Gilman, “Smart Jews: The Construction of the Image of Jewish Superior Intelligence,” (University of Nebraska Press, Lincoln, 1996) for details about this debate.
    5. E. van Den Haag, “The Jewish Mystique,” (Stein and Day, New York, 1977).
    6. “Pittsburgh Post – Gazette,” 1 April, 1969, p.26.


    Christopher Jon Bjerknes – Albert Einstein: The Myth, the Plagiarist & the Zionist – Hour 1

    Source: http://www.unz.com/video/redice_christopher-jon-bjerknes-albert-einstein-the-myth-the-plagia/

    New “Genius” Show Sells Einstein as the Smartest Man Ever But It’s a LIE

    Source: http://www.unz.com/video/redice_new-genius-show-sells-einstein-as-the-smartest-man-ever-but/

    • Replies: @utu
  186. peterAUS says:
    @iffen

    People are not going to follow a bunch of neo-Nazis.

    You have to have a “proper choosing up” of sides first.

    For myself, and I assume many others, I would rather be ruled by an ugly, transgendered, fat faggoty tattooed low IQ bull dyke than a bunch of Hitler worshippers.

    Well……hehe…….yes and no.
    Yes, I know how it sounds.

    You an American. Democracy, elections, voting, thinking/deciding. An organized society in order. That’s for yes. That’s the environment when you can choose between neo-Nazis and those “ugly…..dyke”.

    There is another world.
    The world of social disorder, chaos, real suffering. You, Amereicans, seen that on TV (sanitized) and read about it (definitely sanitized).

    In that world you don’t think, decide and choose.
    In that world you join in five minutes or get killed with all the people you care for.

    If I learnt anything in my life is that when shit hits the fan the truth is:
    When shit hits the fan people change in instant. That thin layer of civilization slips oh so easy and fast.
    The power is seized by the best organized gang.

    Now……you may hate those Nazis but if by joining them you and your family survive, would you do that? Oh, yes, easy to say “no”. Hehe…let’s just say I don’t buy it for a second. We’ll never know of course.
    Or maybe we will. Who knows?

    You simply have the luxury of that approach. And, well, it looks like that you’ll never need to change it.

    But, for most people of this world, especially on tectonics cracks between empires the rules of choosing, fighting and dying for one side or another are different.

    Anyway.

    • Replies: @iffen
  187. anon[217] • Disclaimer says:

    The table showing Jewish enrollment in the Ivy League is really quite eye opening. I have long suspected that Jews have a stranglehold on Harvard. They will never let that go. Whoever controls Harvard controls the country, e.g. 2/3 of SCOTUS went to Harvard. The WASPs basically let go of the country when they let go of Harvard.

    The Jewish propensity to hang on to every penny is also showing itself in Harvard’s stingy financial aid. I did a Net Price Calculator comparison of all the top schools using our family income and Harvard is easily the stingiest of all the elite schools in giving financial aid, by at least 50%. Even schools like Caltech, University of Chicago with much smaller endowments beat Harvard by 50% in financial aid. This coming from a school with the richest endowment in the world is truly shameful.

    It’s also quite a coincidence that Princeton and Dartmouth, the two Ivies with the lowest Jewish enrollment, are also known as the two most academically rigorous schools in the Ivy League, with the least grade inflation. Harvard, meanwhile, is notorious for its grade inflation. A black student recently submitted a rap song for his senior thesis, and received an A-, allowing him to graduate with honors, along with 90% of his cohort.

  188. AaronB says:
    @Talha

    Amendment accepted :) You are of course more correct than I was. Thank you for making that correction.

    I

    ’m really hoping people are getting the crux of your advice – it is awesome! It is a really hopeful message.

    Alas there is little sign of that! At least among most white commenters here, who seem to be older men. It surprises me that nothing I have said strikes the faintest emotional chord. They seem not to like the big questions, and to want to wallow in a mass of trivialities. They will endlessly debate if Rommel had three or more tanks, could he possibly have performed slightly better in a minor battle in the African theater. This will consume them for hours. But addressing the despair at the heart of European civilization – silence.

    But so it is. As Ron Unz remarked somewhere, one writes for the invisible audience, which he says outnumber actual commenters 9 to 1 or something.

    • Replies: @Talha
  189. AaronB says:
    @Talha

    Beautifully said.

    Agree emphatically.

  190. iffen says:
    @peterAUS

    you may hate those Nazis but if by joining them you and your family survive, would you do that?

    Never!

    Just look at the millions and millions of Germans who refused to go along to get along and were killed for their obstinance. :)

    I have considerable German ancestry and if my ancestors could do it so could I!

    But, for most people of this world, especially on tectonics cracks between empires the rules of choosing, fighting and dying for one side or another are different.

    True enough, no quibble from me.

  191. Talha says:
    @AaronB

    outnumber actual commenters 9 to 1 or something

    Wow – the silent majority indeed!

    Agree emphatically.

    It is as you said, there are somethings where you have to draw the line. No negotiating, no detailed discussion.

    Some guy starts talking pessimism and you see there’s no hope in him – don’t waste time; ignore or pity and move on. Too much exposure to those people can be toxic. Surround yourself with people of hope. Again, not those twiddling their thumbs, but those investing in the now with serious effort with a view that the payoff comes decades down the road – or even something they’ll never live to see. It’s like some cathedrals you read about that literally took generations to build; the first people just kept working, just kept working even though they had little hope to see the project to completion.

    This reminds of a couple of principles that my teachers have always stressed on us – predicated on these points:
    1. There is no room for despair for someone who sees beyond material causes and means:
    “…And ever give up hope of God’s Mercy. Certainly no one despairs of God’s Mercy, except the people who disbelieve.” (12:87)

    2. No matter the circumstances, do what you have to til your last breath, even if you will never see the result:
    “If the Day of Judgement comes upon one of you while he has a sapling in his hand, then let him plant it.” -Musnad of Imam Ahmad (ra) – this is a profound statement, because a sapling will never bear any benefit for years, but one plants it anyway knowing they are doing what is right

    Keep building up hope; those who get it will look forward to a future in which their progeny are eventually surviving and thriving. Others will go sulk in a corner and take themselves out of the running.

    Peace.

    • Agree: AaronB
    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @manorchurch
  192. @Ron Unz

    Indeed, of the thirty top ranked students over the last three years, only a single one seems likely to have been Jewish. Similarly, Jews were over one-quarter of the top students in the Physics Olympiad from 1986 to 1997, but have fallen to just 5 percent over the last decade, a result which must surely send Richard Feynman spinning in his grave.

    Actually, the flourishing-and-decline pattern is something very common & ordinary. Some group may be excessively represented in various areas. From, say, 1770 to 1940, more than 60% of greatest mathematicians had been German-speaking individuals (Euler, Gauss, Weierstrass, Riemann, Felix Klein, Dirichlet, Cantor, Hilbert, Dedekind, Hermann Weyl, Goedel..- all Gentiles), the rest being mostly French (Lagrange, Laplace, Cauchy, Poisson, Galois, Jordan, Hermite, Poincare, Cartan..) and British (Hamilton, Boole,..) .

    Since Germans, Swiss,.. had not represented 60% of the Western world in that period, all this is highly unusual. How they came to be of such prominence?

    And after WWII, German contribution to mathematics plummeted.

    It is typical rise-and-fall trajectory, and all theories offered, from nature to nurture, fail to explain this phenomenon.

  193. utu says:
    @Ron Unz

    I keep wondering how the meme of Jewish high IQ started and whether all this dubious IQ research is funded by Jewish money.

    Actually, I think this perspective is quite mistaken. As I discussed in my long Meritocracy analysis, for some decades academic achievement among American Jews was really quite extraordinary

    I meant the meme when expressed strictly in terms of IQ and what it signifies in the circles which see the IQ score as ultimate determinant of one’s destiny. This reductionist outlook overlooks all kinds of epistemological problems and unresolved issues associated with the concept of IQ. Nevertheless as I have learned here at this web pages it took over minds of seemingly intelligent and educated people like Steve Sailer or James Thompson who seem to be caught in the vicious circle of it unable to transcend it as if this IQism was in itself toxic. Once tainted with it your wings are clipped forever and you never will be able to fly as is exemplified by the two individuals who are caught up in meaningless IQ minutiae like how IQ is related to diet or longevity. The vulgarity of this scientism still offends me.

    That Jews were smart and had exceptional accomplishments it was, I think, commonly believed since their emancipation in 19 century but it was not thought as a mandate to be an elite but as a chance and opportunity particularly for aspiring and ambitious parents like in this funny Isaac Babel’s story. There was no biological determinism in it but a lot of ambition, drive and hard work.

    http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-arts-and-culture/261001/awakening-short-story-isaac-babel
    All the people in our circle—brokers, shopkeepers, bank clerks, and steamship office workers—taught their children music. Our fathers, seeing no future for themselves, came up with a lottery. They played it out on the bones of little people. More than any other city, Odessa was possessed with this madness. And it’s true—for decades our city supplied the concert halls of the entire world with wunderkinds. Mischa Elman, Zimbalist, Gabrilowitsch came from Odessa, and Jascha Heifetz started out in our city.

    When a boy turned 4 or 5 years old, his mother took this puny, feeble creature to see Mr. Zagursky. Zagursky ran a factory of wunderkinds, a factory of Jewish dwarfs in lacy collars and little patent leather shoes. He sought them out in the slums of Moldavanka, in the stinky courtyards of the Old Bazaar. Zagursky offered the initial direction, and then the children were sent to Professor Auer in St. Petersburg. A powerful harmony lived in the souls of these starvelings with blue, bloated heads. They became renowned virtuosi. And so my father decided to follow in their stead. Even though I had long since exceeded the age of wunderkinds—I was over 13—my height and puny physique made it possible for me to pass for an 8-year-old. That was the hope.

    Before the IQism when people did not talk about talent in quantitative terms they also did not think too much in terms of heredity though they believed in it. The parents of wunderkinds in Babel’s story knew that most of all a lot of hard work and big investment were necessary for their children to succeed. The success was measure in financial terms. You were rewarded for your accomplishment on your merit which was really understood as a hard work and your parents investment.

    But now as IQism itself is becoming a meme we view the merit as genes not a hard work which also, btw is explainable with genes in the universe of IQism. Superior genes suppose to give you a mandate to become a part of the elite in the society that IQists think of as meritocracy but in fact they are setting themselves up, perhaps unknowingly, for the acceptance of a caste society. Ideas have consequences so I do not understand their shortsightedness unless they, presumably being high IQ, really want it that way.

    So if Jewish Putnam winners in 50 years fell from 40% to under 10% what does it tell us about explanatory power of IQ in the IQist universe? Is it possible that the hard work that went into making them 40% was the foundation of subsequent Jewish success and domination which is now lacking and thus a crutch of Jewish high IQ meme is needed to maintain and justify the status quo? If in 1950s there were Murrays, Cochrans, Sailers and Pinkers and Harrises who kept pumping up a meme of Episcopalian high IQ would WASP’s managed to stay in power for longer? Perhaps WASP’s actually believed in meritocracy and abhorred caste society and opted out from using this method of social engineering. Can we say the same of Jews? Will they relinquish power when hard working Asian wunderkinds start challenging them? This is the reason I insinuated a question about who is funding IQism? This is a legitimate question which is natural in my mind that often leans to conspiratorial thinking about hidden shenanigans. BTW, I have read recently that you funded Cochran at some point who seems to be obsessed with Jewish IQ. And you are Jewish, right? The bigger questions are who is pumping money to Ulster institute, where Pioneer Fund gets its money?

    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @utu
    , @Miro23
    , @Ron Unz
  194. AaronB says:
    @Talha

    Some guy starts talking pessimism and you see there’s no hope in him – don’t waste time; ignore or pity and move on. Too much exposure to those people can be toxic. Surround yourself with people of hope. Again, not those twiddling their thumbs, but those investing in the now with serious effort with a view that the payoff comes decades down the road – or even something they’ll never live to see. It’s like some cathedrals you read about that literally took generations to build; the first people just kept working, just kept working even though they had little hope to see the project to completion.

    Good stuff! Bears repeating.

    No matter the circumstances, do what you have to til your last breath, even if you will never see the result:
    “If the Day of Judgement comes upon one of you while he has a sapling in his hand, then let him plant it.” -Musnad of Imam Ahmad (ra) – this is a profound statement, because a sapling will never bear any benefit for years, but one plants it anyway knowing they are doing what is right

    Very good!

  195. @Talha

    Some guy starts talking pessimism and you see there’s no hope in him – don’t waste time; ignore or pity and move on. Too much exposure to those people can be toxic. Surround yourself with people of hope.

    Pish. Surround yourself with pragmatists. This country, as configured in political theory, is doomed. Economically and politically, it is all over but the brushfire at the end. Loathsomely corrupt, rotten to the core — the collapse and dissolution of the USA is a good thing, not a bad thing.

    No matter the circumstances, do what you have to til your last breath, even if you will never see the result:

    Silliness. Do what you can to preserve resources and options until such time as resources and options can be deployed for optimum effect.

    Keep building up hope; those who get it will look forward to a future in which their progeny are eventually surviving and thriving.

    There is no hope for the existing USA, nor that much for the current world order. Don’t fatuously “hope” — take steps to put yourself and your desired culture in a position to emerge victorious at the end. What exists cannot be saved; it is no longer viable.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @Talha
  196. AaronB says:
    @utu

    You’ve somehow summarized the many strands of the IQ question in a tidy little package. Thank you. This multi-year discussion on unz has made certain things clear, and they deserve highlighting.

    The role of effort, hard work, and motivation to IQ – and the attempt to ignore these primary factors to solidify a caste system that can no longer rely on merit for justification – deserves constant emphasis.

    • Replies: @utu
  197. anon[204] • Disclaimer says:

    You should trust a psychologist about as much as you should trust a lawyer, or a politician, or a journalist, or a Hollywood film maker, all fields dominated by Jews. An honest person cannot survive in such a field.

    • Agree: manorchurch
  198. utu says:
    @utu

    I could have added this: “I doubt that the mediocre IQ Fraternal Order of Police is funding IQ research to get a psychological advantage over the Black Lives Matter. The stakes are not at the low end of the bell curve contrary to what Steve Sailer and his followers want to believe, but they are at the high end where the power is.”

  199. utu says:
    @AaronB

    Thank you that you think it might be useful. Yes, this was a multi-year discussion for me. My first comment was on Dec. 14, 2015. It was all new to me then. I knew nothing about IQ and was astonished by the IQ language people used at this site. It was like studying a hermetic cult trying to figure out what is really behind it, what is true in it and what is false and what purpose does it serve.

    At this point I think it would be neat to get some idea where the money is flowing from. But questions about money can get you into real troubles.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @manorchurch
  200. AaronB says:
    @manorchurch

    I don’t think you guys are disagreeing.

    I think the hope Talha is referring to is precisely the demise of the current system and something better arising.

    • Replies: @manorchurch
  201. Talha says:
    @manorchurch

    What exists cannot be saved; it is no longer viable.

    I think you misread me. There is a lot of deadwood that needs to be cleared. I don’t think society in its current form is salvageable or even desirable. I was not asking to salvage the current framework or social structures.

    Something will emerge from the ashes; something that has adapted and has the hope to survive. What exact form it takes, I cannot know.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @manorchurch
  202. AaronB says:
    @utu

    Indred I see it as a very useful comment – a comprehensive summary of how things stand.

    The stakes are not at the low end of the bell curve contrary to what Steve Sailer and his followers want to believe, but they are at the high end where the power is.”

    This is undoubtedly correct. That’s why it’s do frustrating to see Sailor go after blacks and be soft on Jews.

    At this point I think it would be neat to get some idea where the money is flowing from.

    I agree. The money trail certainly clarifies matters – but I suspect it is larger even than money, and as you said, a caste trying to solidify it’s position, in which many individuals will participate independently, but since they are acting on the same impulse will appear to be coordinated.

    I knew nothing about IQ and was astonished by the IQ language people used at this site.

    Very interesting! It often takes fresh eyes to see through established prejudices.

    I was thinking about these issues about two years before you, and was making some of my arguments but in a much less sophisticated form. But I have learned so much since then, and your comments on this subject were invaluable to me

  203. utu says:
    @jack daniels

    I am afraid that my knowledge might be outdated. There is some revisionism and conter-revisonist taking place in Russia and I do not know anymore which numbers can be trusted. Perhaps something A. Karlin wrote about and I think he might be the middle of the road guy who will not go with Stalin apologists who I did not know even existed until I begin to visit Saker’s and Karlin’s blogs. One thing is certain that Cheka, GPU and NKVD were heavily Jewish. There were different phases and stages. There were many local incidents and centrally coordinated actions extending through out the whole country. Different groups were targeted at different times. Often ethnically but also by profession. There were executions and camps sentences which often amounted to de facto death penalty. Then there were orchestrated famines which probably are responsible for the largest toll.

  204. @utu

    It all got serious with the Richwine paper, so I suppose there’s money trickling in from the rich. After all, who benefits from IQism? Steve Sailer has made a living out of it.

    Personally, I still find the whole scenario amusing. Like IQ makes any difference.

    • Replies: @utu
  205. @AaronB

    I think the hope Talha is referring to is precisely the demise of the current system and something better arising.

    Nah. Tears run down Talha’s cheeks as he prays for peace and a restoration of the drive to human freedom. Bla bla bla.

    Obstacles require removal. Hope won’t do that.

  206. @Talha

    Oh, yeah, peace. We need those “Christmas wishes” moments. Not.

    Burn the witches.

    • Replies: @Talha
  207. Miro23 says:
    @utu

    Perhaps WASP’s actually believed in meritocracy and abhorred caste society and opted out from using this method of social engineering. Can we say the same of Jews? Will they relinquish power when hard working Asian wunderkinds start challenging them?

    Now suddenly we discover high Asian IQ and find that Jewish IQ is going down the drain. And WASP IQ apparently built America – but where is it now? Also, what happened to Roman or British IQ? Has it declined since their days of Empire?

    The whole IQ question looks like a time wasting Ceteris Paribus argument. “Other things” are not equal, and these “other things” mostly determine the success or failure of societies.

    • Agree: utu
  208. I think KM is entirely correct in his view that the success of Jews in the US has to do with ingroup cohesion in an individualistic society that has a blind spot for group identity. Despite our growing domestic identitarian split, we still insist on regarding immigrants strictly as individuals instead of as potential cells in larger political entities. Different ethnic groups have always had different politics. Socialism is a secularized version of European Evangelical Christianity. Communism, on the other hand, is a secularized version of Ashkenazi Messianic Judaism. Thus the logic of Communism having a ready made conspiratorial fifth column of Jews thruout the West. And the logic of ostensibly Protestant Ivy League colleges becoming today entirely Socialist.

  209. RudyM says:
    @Anonymous

    Thank god for Peterson with his commonsense advice and his adversity to toxic feminism and political correctness.

    Sometimes I really wish commenters (everywhere) would try to learn the English language.

    • Replies: @manorchurch
  210. @RudyM

    Sometimes I really wish commenters (everywhere) would try to learn the English language.

    Yeah. Kids these days! Do you know that public elementary schools do NOT teach cursive? Modern-day brats can only read caps.

    Plus, they don’t teach nonsense like nouns, verbs, adjectives, adverbs, punctuation, etc.

    Soon we return to the heyday of Neandertal culture — grunts and clicks.

  211. Talha says:
    @manorchurch

    You say you want a revolution, well you know…

    Look if you want a civil war, I guess that’s fine. I’d look to see how Iraq, Libya and Syria are faring.

    I personally believe you don’t need to fire a single bullet. In fact, that is counterproductive as that will bring the full wrath of the state down on you. The most revolutionary thing to do these days is to do what they used to do about 60-70 years ago; raise stable, healthy families with traditional values – and connect with others doing the same – basically forging a way to “opt-out” of the wider society or at least form a strong support network. If one can’t keep a marriage together and convince own’s own kids of your values (you literally get to brainwash them all day), then no one needs take that person too seriously.

    Peace.

    • Agree: Vojkan
  212. utu says:
    @manorchurch

    I still find the whole scenario amusing. Like IQ makes any difference.

    I am not arguing that it makes any difference but beliefs make a difference. Belief in god is prerequisite in belief that all power comes from god. I am interested in power structure and what beliefs legitimize it and sustain the status quo.

    • Replies: @manorchurch
  213. utu says:
    @FKA Max

    I am familiar with Bjerknes. He asks some good questions and points to some good evidence as well as to a lot of irrelevant trash. Then unfortunately he offers his answers which are way too simplistic.

    As far as Einstein is concerned there are two issues that can be dealt separately: (1) How much and in what circumstances Einstein borrowed from Lorentz and Poincare and later form Hilbert and how much he depended on various assistants doing math for him whom he never acknowledged and (2) How his fame and idol status can be explained? There is also a third issue which unfortunately is mixed in (also by Bjerknes) which is the validity of the theory which is entirely separate issue. Arguing the plagiarism of invalid theory is rather silly, nevertheless, it is done by people like Bjerknes.

    The first one should be dealt by historians of physics and not by YT commenters with poor understanding of physics. I have looked into it by reading Poincare and Lorentz papers in parallel with 1905 Einstein papers. I did not look into the Hilbert affair of 1916 which is also interesting because there is an evidence of after the fact of sanitization of evidence. I believe that 1905 was cleverly plagiarized but I do not have a definitive proof. I do not understand why there was no common front among physicists who could expose it. Is it because there was so much bad blood and hostility in the pre WWI Europe between the French and Germans? That Einstein was capable of plagiarism is proven by his 1927 paper that basically plagiarizes Klein’s 1926 paper which Einstein was familiar with as he wrote about it to Ehrenfest in 1926 praising it. This was very stupid on his part and it can only be explained by some mental deficit and very poor judgment at this time on his part. He was caught and kind of reprimanded but it was not publicized and forgotten. This fact is known among some physicists but I do not think the issue was ever addressed by his hagiographic biographers and keeper of his cult.

    The issue (2), i.e, the status of Einstein prevents historians digging into the issue (1) honestly. I can imagine that there still might be some letters or notes in archives that were not destroyed or sanitized that may give a direct proof. It would be vey liberating if textbooks of physics began to reflect how the theory of relativity was developed and similarities between Einstein and Poincare were emphasized and minor differences were deemphasized. Currently to maintain Einstein status and priority these differences are over emphasized. It would lead to a better understanding of the structure and the essence of the theory.

    I am not sure whether Kevin MacDonald wrote about Einstein, but clearly there is some similarity in his cult created by Jewish scientists, historians and publicists and then jealously guarded that is similar to cult like phenomena he observed in other Jewish lead scientific and cultural movements like Boas and Freud.

  214. utu says:
    @jack daniels

    No, you do not get it. Usefulness of IQ’s is negligible. Because of this one should not use it as a story we tell about society because it solidifies the status quo by stigmatizing some groups and giving free pass some other groups. If you want to fight Democrats fight them on other platform they have abandoned. For instance have a party that fights for the woking men what Democrats used to do to some extend. Nobody fights for the woking men anymore. The woking men will come to you and abandon Democrats not only because they are also fed up with identity politics.

    • Replies: @Vojkan
  215. Vojkan says:
    @jack daniels

    I think that every meme with the goal to present one particular group of people as having inherently more merit than the others, because of an innate quality and independently of concrete actions, stems from the ambition to rule of people belonging that group. ‘People with a higher IQ are entitled to rule over people with a lower IQ, IQ tests prove they’re smarter’ is essentially the same as ‘civilised whites are superior to savage blacks, white development proves it’ or ‘civilised Romans are superior to Celtic or Germanic barbarians, Roman literacy and organisation prove it’.
    Even if we assume the propositions as true on average, they are contrary to Christian ethics, as contrary as the propositions of SJWs/cultural Marxism. The propositions are exclusive, they put whole groups of people on the ‘wrong side of History’ and deny that actions stem from individual free will, whereas Christianity is inclusive, and treats individual free will in the exact opposite way.

  216. Tyrion 2 says:

    Since it is obvious that nothing like a quartet if students at Harvard are even slightly Jewish – the obvious explanation is that your data is wrong.

    “Oh, but the source is a Jewish organisation for Jewish students! Why would (((Hillel))) lie and massively exaggerate Jewish representation at the most prestigious universities?”

    Why would these Indians say that Da Vinci was Indian?

    Amazing how latching on to the nonsense claims of one non-serious organisation has led all you looms down an endless bad faith rabbit hole.

    To be fair to Hillel, it seems that that they weren’t making it up. They merely exaggerated their case by making anybody with any Jewish family at all into a Jew for the purpose of their superficial sectarian boasting.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  217. Mishra says:
    @PV van der Byl

    We’re not supposed to notice things like that. Anyway chosenites need not form absolute majorities of grad-school (or any) admissions committees in order to hold sway. They were not a majority of the committees I served on but they included the chairman, and that made all the difference.

  218. Vojkan says:
    @utu

    I think the obsession with IQ we see from people on the Right has to do with decades of leftist propaganda repeating that Left is intellectual, open-minded, progressive while Right is daft, narrow-minded, reactionary. IQ is supposed to prove that prejudice wrong but trying to prove the Left wrong on that is accepting the Left’s terms for public debate, it’s a losing tactic and, you are right about it, it’s alienating the people the Left has completely let down and without whom it’s impossible to reconquer lost territory.

    • Replies: @utu
  219. @utu

    I am not arguing that it makes any difference but beliefs make a difference. Belief in god is prerequisite in belief that all power comes from god. I am interested in power structure and what beliefs legitimize it and sustain the status quo.

    Beliefs make no difference. Perhaps the application of power makes a difference, but beliefs are empty constructs only. If many men believe that women should cover their heads, it is not belief that effects the rule; it is power.

    Perhaps I’m chopping logic a bit too finely, but consider that beliefs are infinitely malleable. A head-cover rule may result from being told that demons will take the uncovered woman, or that the uncovered woman becomes unfaithful. There is no true reason to fideistic belief.

    What one might call a “belief” that is based in fact is not really a “belief”; it is verifiable knowledge. Dynamite does not explode because you and I believe it will explode. Dynamite explodes because that is its nature. One is free to believe that dynamite will not explode, but that belief has no effect on the dynamite.

    • Troll: utu
  220. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @anon

    Jews succeed in commerce because that is the one field that requires the most dishonesty and clannishness to succeed.

    As a generalization, that is particularly stupid.

    In commerce, success is to those who provide the best value for money. And value for money includes honest representation, reliability and good prices. Thus, in a competitive market, Jews, like others, do well insofar as they demonstrate superior competence, not reliance on clannish influence or swindling.

  221. utu says:
    @Vojkan

    Identity politics on the Left and IQism on the Right are two sides of the same coin. They produce the same outcome which is division and fragmentation. Actually IQism complements the identity politics because it establishes or justifies the hierarchy who can peck whom. Both sides are dominated by useful idiots who have no clue that have been played.

    • Agree: Vojkan
    • Troll: manorchurch
  222. Ron Unz says:
    @Tyrion 2

    Since it is obvious that nothing like a quartet if students at Harvard are even slightly Jewish – the obvious explanation is that your data is wrong.

    Well, perhaps. But for decades these figures have been accepted as approximately correct by The New York Times and every other major media outlet in America, as well as by every serious academic scholar interested in the subject. And the figures also roughly correspond with my own personal impressions when I attended Harvard myself during the 1980s.

    So what makes you so absolutely sure that you are correct and absolutely everyone else has always been so totally wrong? My impression is that you’re just some “excitable” foreign Jew with no connection whatsoever to Harvard or other elite American universities.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  223. Ron Unz says:
    @utu

    Well, my impression is that the “IQist model” gradually arose as an attempt to explain exceptionally high levels of Jewish achievement rather than anything else. Herrnstein’s articles of the late 1960s appeared near the peak of relative Jewish accomplishment.

    Remember, I only published my Meritocracy analysis a few years ago, and I think up until that point it was very widely believed in elite circles that American Jews constituted something like 1/4 to 1/3 of all the highest-ability Americans, a belief that was probably never actually correct but which at least had had a certain amount of circumstantial supportive evidence at various points in the past. One reason I felt I needed to accumulate such a mountain of data for my own contrary position was that I needed to overcome such a huge presumptive barrier.

    For example, Richard Lynn had published his book THE CHOSEN PEOPLE only a year or two earlier, and although some points of the underlying data were actually contrary, I believe the overall tone quietly reflected that elite consensus:

    http://www.unz.com/book/richard_lynn__the-chosen-people/

    In fact, I remember when my article ran, lots of “anti-Semites” declared that they were utterly stunned at my findings, and their entire understanding of Jews had been overturned.

    And if everyone believes that the “empirical” data supposedly shows that Jews constitute roughly 1/4 to 1/3 of the smartest Americans, it’s pretty natural for quantitative types to play around a little with the IQ data to try to come up with a consistent explanatory factor, including relying upon the spurious IQ=115 average or talking about “fat tails” or whatever.

    Peterson’s problem is just that he’s relying upon an outdated analysis. Frankly, prior to my Meritocracy findings I really don’t think too many people would have strongly argued with him.

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  224. Mishra says:
    @AaronB

    You’ve identified someone as a Jew. You do not engage him in serious conversation on serious topics.

    As Jews themselves love to remind us

    Given that you’ve said you were raised as an Orthodox Jew, does this mean you have renounced your heritage, or what?

    Mind you, I think that’s a freedom everyone should enjoy, but you repeatedly refer to Jews as “they” and “them” and I also hear Jews saying if you were born Jewish and raised Jewish then you’re Jewish no matter what you say or do.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  225. Mishra says:
    @anon

    I’ve lost a lot of respect for Caltech. My son is a huge fan and dreams of attending that school. Now I will probably have him cross it off the list.

    Indeed, it doesn’t speak well of Caltech but I wonder which other of America’s top colleges you’ll find to be less ‘affected’…

  226. Mishra says:
    @iffen

    Anti-Semitism comes first

    LOL. QFH! I hear it oozed out of the primordial oceans and never, ever had anything to do with the Chosenites themselves or anything any of them may have said or done. Love it! Just love it!

    Also, heard it before.

  227. Mishra says:
    @iffen

    I would rather be ruled by an ugly, transgendered, fat faggoty tattooed low IQ bull dyke than a bunch of Hitler worshippers.

    Why did you leave Negroes out of your false equation? Racist? That’s my guess.

  228. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Ron Unz

    Is not the question of Jewish IQ a lot more complicated than most people realize?

    Tyrion 2′s question as to who is a Jew raises the further question as to what extent Jewish genetics overlap with Jewish identity and culture? Some Jews marry out and lose their Jewish identity in the process, whereas some non-Jews marry in and acquire a Jewish identity.

    What exactly is happening here? Given that Jewish culture in America promotes upward mobility, is it not reasonable to assume that non-Jews who marry successful Jews and assume a Jewish identity for themselves and their children are, like their spouses, of generally above average intelligence (Ivanka Trump and Chelsea Clinton, for example). Likewise, downwardly mobile Jews, who are more likely to be of below average ability, will be among those most likely to abandon their Jewish identity, if only because of the high cost of synagogue membership.

    The same kind of dynamics would presumably affect the more or less equally high-IQ population of Episcopalians. If some such selective processes are at work, it would indicate that the relatively high mean IQ of Jews is simply an artifact of selection and that in a totally inbreeding Jewish population without immigration or emigration, Jewish IQ would not be notably elevated.

    Kevin MacDonald has, I believe, considered the eugenic implications of Jewish social policy and behaviour. Perhaps he will comment.

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  229. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @CanSpeccy

    One implication of the thesis I have just stated, is that there must be more Jewish derived genes in the US population than the acknowledged number of Jews in the US would suggest. In particular, while Jewish names generally indicate Jewish identity among Harvard students and scholars, this may not be true among, say, blue collar workers or the unemployed, among whom the Jewish identity is more likely to have been abandoned.

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  230. FKA Max says: • Website
    @FKA Max

    This headline is hilarious to me, because it sounds so melodramatic…

    “The Shameful, Unethical Smearing of Jordan Peterson”

    You know, Jordan Peterson must be a real threat to the mainstream, a true dark intellectual renegade, when The Weekly Standard https://www.weeklystandard.com/jonah-cohen/the-forward-publishes-a-hit-job-accusing-jordan-peterson-of-jew-hatred rushes to his defense because someone suggested that he just might possibly be less than entirely philosemitic.
    [...]
    It’s interesting, is it not, that it is so important for the media – supposedly Peterson’s enemy, who, we are told are just waiting to pounce on any mistake it can use to ruin him – to defend him from discrediting and disqualification? After this and The New York Times puff piece, how much more confirmation do you require to accept that he is Fake Opposition?

    http://voxday.blogspot.com/2018/05/in-defense-of-jordan-peterson.html

    I don’t always agree with Vox Day, but he has Peterson and the cult of personality created for and around him by the (mostly Jewish neoncon) media pretty much nailed down and figured out, in my opinion.

    Jordan Peterson fanboys have been giving him a hard time over at Mr. Sailer’s blog, but I think he is spot on in his observations:

    It’s a good thing Man has moved beyond thinking in narrative, unlike the human race before the Sixteenth Century, or one might suspect that the collection of Jordanologists at Steve Sailer’s place are guilty of doing so. Of course, this little collection doesn’t even begin to address the many comments at YouTube insisting that I am only criticizing Jordanetics because I am, and one really has to quote one particular gentleman in order to fully appreciate the sentiment, “jelly”.
    [...]
    Of course as one wiser commenter noted, I agree in your description of VD’s personality, yet you do not address any of the arguments he has made. Weak sauce, that. And the differences between VD and JP are not small. They are at the foundations of their respective philosophies. Understanding this would require, again, reading what they have written.

    http://voxday.blogspot.com/2018/05/the-critical-narrative.html

  231. @Swan Knight

    I think it depends on whether you think “admissions committee” is singular or not.

  232. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Ron Unz

    Well, perhaps. But for decades these figures have been accepted as approximately correct by The New York Times and every other major media outlet in America, as well as by every serious academic scholar interested in the subject

    This is a minor subject of interest mostly only to Jews. It ranks somewhere below Sandy Koufax in silly reasons for fleeting pride.

    Most have no reason to think deeply about it. The non-Jews interested in it tend to be lunatics who, in mirror image of the Indian comedian linked to above, see Jews everywhere and in everything. Much like how Assad’s enemies say he is secretly Jewish whereas his allies said Al Baghdadi was.

    And the figures also roughly correspond with my own personal impressions when I attended Harvard myself during the 1980s.

    Your article is a great moral lesson and example of the old adage that:

    the first generation makes it, the second generation spends it, and the third generation blows it.

    Your impressions from the 80s are consistent with what would have resulted from high school achievement in the 80s with a little adjustment for part of the country, anyway.

    The 2000s and 2010s are another generation. Indeed, they’re my generation. I know a good number of people who went to Harvard – admittedly none of them Jewish, but they’d laugh at someone who claimed that a quarter of their classmates were Jewish. To me, deferring to the fact that I actually am, they merely expressed extreme surpise and mentioned how hard it is to tell.

    I personally remember in the 2000s being told by the Chief Rabbi, normally a temperate man, that 10% of Oxbridge students were Jewish. I took his statement as it was intended – as mild, superficial, ethnic mythos – I knew absolutely that there was no way it could be true.

    So what makes you so absolutely sure that you are correct and absolutely everyone else has always been so totally wrong?

    There’s no standard applied to everyone else’s data. They’re merely repeating one another, mostly reinforced by their experiences from the 80s and before. It pains Jews to admit that the 3 generation adage is proving true for their children, so they don’t look too closely. It also has use for everyone else. Even Hillel is publishing less silly figures now. They state that Harvard is 12% Jewish in their latest edition.

    My impression is that you’re just some “excitable” foreign Jew with no connection whatsoever to Harvard or other elite American universities.

    I don’t think it matters who I am. This whole topic has been set in motion by a hokey Jewish student organisation’s silly puffed up figures. I can find only slightly less credible stats claiming that all of the British Royals have actually been black since the 17th Century. There are even plenty of mainstream sources which concur!

    As for “excitable”, I’ve spent my whole life reading alternative news and opinion sources. I like to read, I like new ideas and Steve Sailer is an absolute hero of mine. I generally just ignored the Jewish stuff – it didn’t really bother me as I only had a passing acquaintance with any other Jews. Indeed, I thought I had learned some stuff about Judaism from these sources!

    It was therefore incredibly surreal to see how hugely distorted so much of the commentary from those sources was on Jews, when I began, for various conventional reasons, to attend services and so on.

    Now, reading so much of this Jew-obsessed stuff is like seeing someone stood in the middle of the road staring right at a mirage of an ant which somehow, to them, appears like a truck hurtling in their direction, even while a very real bus is about to run them over from the left while they’re looking the wrong way.

    You mention the bus, but they babble at you that you’re trying to distract them from the truck. You try to point out that the truck is but an ant and they claim that you’re a paid up agent of the secret truck conspiracy to hit them. Indeed, anyone who doesn’t obsess over the supposed truck 100% of the time is actually a paid up agent of the truck. It is maddening.

    It also inevitably discredits these sources even on other topics in my eyes. Just as ‘red-pilling’ someone on the fact that most journalism is hopelessly imcompetent is as simple as asking them to reflect upon journalism’s accuracy in their individual sphere of expertise, if, of course, they have an area of genuine expertise. Then so much of this commentary on Jews is so laughably wrong that it leaves me wondering what else is complete nonsense.

    Finally, if your point is to try to get society’s elite to be better then it would help to not begin with statements that they know, without doubt, are not true. Claiming that Jews control everything, to the people who actually control everyhing, and who know they are mostly not Jewish, is a pretty awful start.

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    , @FKA Max
    , @CanSpeccy
  233. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @CanSpeccy

    But according to Tyrion 2 @ #235, I am wrong to accept Ron Unz’s assumption that Jewish names generally indicate Jewish identity at Harvard. Nevertheless, if retention of Jewish identity is related to socio-economic success, my assumption that Jewish names at Harvard are more likely to indicate Jewish identity than Jewish names among those of the US population as a whole remains valid. That being the case, my thesis that above-average IQ of individuals with typical Jewish names is at least in part the result of (a) Jewish males marrying out, (b) assortative mating, and (c) the increasing probability of the loss of Jewish identity with declining socio-economic status.

    From those assumptions it follows, first, that a significant proportion of genes of high IQ Jews originate from outside the Jewish gene pool, and second, that some genes of low IQ non-Jews originate from the Jewish gene pool.

    Thus, insofar as it is the case that Jews have higher IQs than the general population, this can be attributed at least in part to the eugenic consequences of Jewish reproductive behavior.

  234. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Afina

    Poor JP. The man vigorously and courageously defied the Trudeau-led Government’s tyrannical project to compel certain kinds of idiotic, but highly toxic, compelled speech. For this, Peterson should always be remembered by Canadians with gratitude. Unfortunately, because of the resulting celebrity, he has been elevated to the status of “public intellectual,” a role for which he is clearly ill-prepared.

    Let us, therefore, remember him for his achievement in sparing university professors the humiliating necessity of referring to their most obnoxious students by whatever silly made-up pronouns such as “ze” and “zir,” and “his majesty,” they might demand, while allowing him to return with dignity to his academic role, passing on the great IQist myth to another generation of undergraduate psychologists.

  235. AaronB says:
    @Mishra

    Yes, pretty much.

    What Jews say among themselves does not matter to me.

    • Replies: @Mishra
  236. Mishra says:
    @AaronB

    Well more power to you–seriously. The loudest voices in the MSM (and elsewhere) are always telling us that some of us are supposed to be captive to ‘identity of origin’ (as they define it) while others are free to be as ‘transgressive’ and ‘intersectional’ as they want.

    I say we should all have the freedom to make our own way as we see fit, and I reserve some of my highest respect for those (like Ron Unz and apparently yourself) who see well beyond the strictures of primitive tribalism.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  237. AaronB says:
    @Mishra

    To be fair, ethnically I’m half jewish, though I was raised orthodox.

    But thank you.

    However, I am against individualism and do think we all must choose a group, and things like pride in race and pride in ancestors are hugely important. It’s just that there are always peripheral figures like me, and apparently unz.

  238. Sam Shama says:
    @Tyrion 2

    A very worthy comment, one which I applaud without reservations.

    You have to understand Ron Unz. He has a wicked sense of humour and loves to play multi-dimensional chess. Not to mention the hobby of collecting a large stable of barmy conspiracy theorists.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  239. geokat62 says:
    @Sam Shama

    Not to mention the hobby of collecting a large stable of barmy conspiracy theorists.

    Curious to see if you think Giraldi and/or MacDonald should be included in this large stable.

    • Replies: @Vojkan
  240. Vojkan says:
    @geokat62

    Noticing the overrepresentation of Jews in certain sectors of activity or the euphemistic descriptions by the MSM and the majority of politicians of the latest Gaza massacre or how every US politician feels sucking up to AIPAC is a mandatory step for career advancement is being a “barmy conspiracy theorist”. I fully assume being called so.

  241. NotAJew says:
    @Fuddu

    What happens here changes the world

  242. FKA Max says: • Website
    @Tyrion 2

    Even Hillel is publishing less silly figures now. They state that Harvard is 12% Jewish in their latest edition.

    I don’t know which edition you are referring to, but I found this 2015 edition http://www.hillel.org/about/news-views/news-views—blog/news-and-views/2015/06/24/2015-top-60-schools-by-jewish-student-population , which, indeed, lists the percentage of Jewish undergraduates for Harvard at 12%, but did you also check the Jewish share of the graduate population, a whooping 67%(!!!) according to Hillel. These numbers combined make Harvard’s Jewish student population ~33% of the student body.:

    6712 Undergrads
    4326 Graduates
    803* (12%)Jewish Undergrads(Percent of Population)
    2892* (67%)Jewish Graduates(Percent of Population)

    http://hillel.org/college-guide/list/record/harvard-university Archived link: http://archive.is/OyKJC

    Yale:

    5472 Undergrads
    6986 Graduates
    800* (15%)Jewish Undergrads(Percent of Population)
    1500* (21%)Jewish Graduates(Percent of Population)

    http://hillel.org/college-guide/list/record/yale-university Archived link: http://archive.is/vVkkL

    Columbia:

    6158 Undergrads
    18800 Graduates
    1500* (24%)Jewish Undergrads(Percent of Population)
    3500* (19%)Jewish Graduates(Percent of Population)

    http://www.hillel.org/college-guide/list/record/columbia-university Archived link: http://archive.is/iNV3J

    I personally remember in the 2000s being told by the Chief Rabbi, normally a temperate man, that 10% of Oxbridge students were Jewish. I took his statement as it was intended – as mild, superficial, ethnic mythos – I knew absolutely that there was no way it could be true.

    The 10% figure is definitely an exaggeration, since I have looked into these numbers/estimates, which are about 2-3% for Cambridge and Oxford, but one has to remember that Jews are only 0.5% of the UK student population and highly concentrated in only a few elite, so-called “Jewniversities”:

    Half of Jewish students attended just eight out of 113 higher education institutions (Universities of Birmingham, Cambridge, Leeds, Manchester, Nottingham, Oxford, Kings College London, and University College London), against 9% of the national student body
    [...]
    The focus on quality is reflected in the fact that
    NJSS respondents are almost four times as likely
    to attend Britain’s elite universities as students in
    general. Almost 17% of NJSS respondents attend
    institutions that have been consistently ranked
    in the top five since 2008/09, and almost 29%
    attend those consistently ranked in the top ten
    over the same period.

    [...]
    Speak to any number of Jewish students and you’ll find few unfamiliar with the “Jewniversities”. A well versed term within the Jewish community, the Jewniversities, or “Jewnis” for short, are those with the largest percentages of Jewish students.

    Leading the way are Birmingham, Leeds, Nottingham, Manchester, Oxford and Cambridge: in fact, the Union of Jewish Students (UJS) estimates that 61 per cent of UK Jewish students attended just these six universities in 2014. The question is, why?

    http://www.unz.com/article/what-the-alt-right-gets-wrong-about-jews/#comment-2250087

    By the way, Jordan Peterson has been lecturing at Harvard for many years, this lecture is from 1996:

    Jordan Peterson: Maps of Meaning 1 (Harvard Lectures)

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    , @Tyrion 2
  243. Anon[328] • Disclaimer says: • Website
    @Glenfilthie

    Good lord, if you think those men are “cretins”, your real views will be either dumbly strangled lib-hurrr-tarian or you’re simply a spineless “Republican” worm. Either way, you are not an asset to us, and you are dismissed. Get your hand of the sofa and go pack your sh’t.

  244. @FKA Max

    Although I am not too much interested in the topic of Jewish representation in institutions of higher learning, I’ve followed the link you gave. And only two clicks were enough to show its unreliability.

    Here’s Hillel (I think it’s Jewish center, like Newman for Catholics): http://hillel.org/college-guide/list

    http://hillel.org/college-guide/list/record/california-institute-of-technology

    California Institute of Technology

    979 Undergrads 1261 Graduates 0* (0%) Jewish Undergrads 0* (0%) Jewish Graduates

    http://hillel.org/college-guide/list/record/brandeis-university

    Brandeis University

    3608 Undergrads 2121 Graduates 1600* (44%) Jewish Undergrads 400* (19%) Jewish Graduates
    ……..

    Sorry, but these data (including those for Harvard, Yale,..) are not to be trusted.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  245. @Bardon Kaldian

    Moreover, why these figures can’t be trusted. From Hillel list, this is about Technion University in Israel:

    http://hillel.org/college-guide/list/record/technion-israel-institute-of-technology

    Technion-Israel Institute of Technology

    9308 Undergrads 3620 Graduates 9308* (100%) Jewish Undergrads 3620* (100%) Jewish Graduates

    So, that would be 100% Jewish. Fair enough.

    But, according to Wikipedia & linked to Israeli higher education sources:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technion_%E2%80%93_Israel_Institute_of_Technology#Demographics

    The percentage of Arab students at the Technion equals the percentage of the general Arab population in Israel: 20%.[79][80]

    So much for various sources & their reliability….

    • Replies: @FKA Max
  246. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Tyrion 2

    I know a good number of people who went to Harvard – admittedly none of them Jewish, but they’d laugh at someone who claimed that a quarter of their classmates were Jewish.

    They might laugh, but do they know what they are laughing about? Here’s a list of what are said to be Jewish last names I just took off a Web page: Abadi, Abate, Abeles, Abelman, Abelson, Abend, Abendroth, Aberman … How many non-Jewish students at Harvard would recognize those as Jewish names, i.e., names of people of Jewish origins? Not many, I suspect. Therefore, your argument is vacuous. The question is, whether the Unz criterion for identifying a Jew, by supposedly Jewish last names, is valid.

    I personally remember in the 2000s being told by the Chief Rabbi, normally a temperate man, that 10% of Oxbridge students were Jewish. I took his statement as it was intended – as mild, superficial, ethnic mythos – I knew absolutely that there was no way it could be true.

    You knew “absolutely that there was no way it could be true”, but you don’t say how you absolutely knew, so why should we take your certainty as being in any way indicative of the truth?

    Ten percent of the pupils at the English school that I attended were said to be Jews, and most students of that school went on to either Oxford or Cambridge, thereby making a contribution to the Jewish population at those places consistent with the claim of the Chief Rabbi.

    However, none of the Jews at the school I attended kept the Sabbath or refrained from eating strangled pork on Friday’s or whatever it is that the law enjoins them not to do. Therefore, the only students that I indentified as Jews was a friend who told me he was a half-Jewish/Austrian atheist, and a fellow in my class with a fine Sephardic shnozz.

    So despite cheers from certain individuals as unforthcoming with valid evidence as yourself, your dismissal of Unz’s findings on Jewish representation at institutions of higher education seems baseless.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Tyrion 2
  247. Anon[328] • Disclaimer says: • Website
    @Tono Bungay

    And THEN ypu watched 3 minutes of one of his videos and realized you had a baseless and irrelevant opinion on him, even as tens of thousands of people think he’s pretty damn good.
    Thanks for sharing though.

  248. FKA Max says: • Website
    @Bardon Kaldian

    I believe Hillel simply does not have adequate data on Technion University and simply put the percentage at 100%, which is not an unreasonable thing to do, in my opinion, since the university is based in (the Jewish state of) Israel. They also don’t have any data on the male/female ratio which is further indication that their data for that particular school is inadequate: “Female/Male 0%/0%” – http://hillel.org/college-guide/list/record/technion-israel-institute-of-technology

    In regards to CalTech, the Jewish student population might be under 1%, for all I know:

    We may have a small Jewish population, but conversely, this allows students to have a substantial say in the organization of Hillel events and to become leaders in the Jewish community.

    http://hillel.org/college-guide/list/record/california-institute-of-technology

    I don’t know what “small Jewish population” means, but 20 Jewish students would be under 1% of the CalTech student body.

    For Auburn they list these figures for example:

    22658 Undergrads
    5632 Graduates
    100* (0%)Jewish Undergrads(Percent of Population)
    25* (0%)Jewish Graduates(Percent of Population)

    http://hillel.org/college-guide/list/record/auburn-university

    The point being, Hillel does not seem to tend to always exaggerate Jewish enrollment numbers as commenter Tyrion 2 claims. In the case of Technion University even with inadequate data they only exaggerated the number by 25% (100% Jewish students instead of 80%). With CalTech they probably underestimated them.

    If we assume a similar exaggeration rate for Harvard as at Technion, for example, this would still put the Jewish student population at over 25% of undergraduate and graduate students combined. But I personally believe Harvard Hillel numbers are much more reliable than their figures for Technion or CalTech, etc.

    I am not claiming these numbers are perfect but they are useful and should not outrightly be dismissed as unreliable.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  249. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Tono Bungay

    Jordan Peterson strikes me as someone who … is conceited enough to imagine that his opinion on everything is worth other people’s time.

    A fault shared, perhaps, by most people commenting here.

    But so what? Peterson was right to denounce and refuse state-dictated forms of speech in Justin Trudeau’s totalitarian-Liberal, post-national utopia. That was an important and courageous stand, and if as a consequence Peterson now has a higher platform from which to pronounce on all and sundry moral and political questions, that’s a price I’m willing to pay. No one is right about everything. Let us hope Peterson learns something from the backlash that his broad-ranging sermonizing has evoked.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  250. Anon[198] • Disclaimer says:
    @CanSpeccy

    Here is a list of Harvard Law Review staff.

    I shall try an experiment– to check names that are probably Jewish, and names that are plausibly Jewish.

    [MORE]

    Yasmina Abdel-Malek -n
    Audrey L. Adu-Appiah -n
    Paulina D. Arnold -pr. (1)
    Segun I. Babatunde II -n
    Laura B. Bakst -pr. 2
    Simon J. Barnicle -n
    Robert A. Batista -n
    Seth Robert Berliner -pr. 3
    David C. Beylik -pl. 1
    Leila Bijan -n
    Katrina M. Braun -pr. 4
    Molly Brown -pl. 2
    Jeff Campbell -n
    Sarah L. Catalano -n
    Grayson E. Clary -n
    Zachary Copeland -pr. 5
    Catherine M. Coquillette -pl. 3 (very improbable)
    Caroline Cox -n
    Kevin P. Crenny -n
    Christian S. Daniel -n (going by first name)
    Taylor R. Davis -n
    Yoseph Desta -n
    Frederick J. Ding -n
    anneke dunbar-gronke -n
    Clare J. Duncan -pl. 4
    Adabelle U. Ekechukwu -n
    Blake J. Ellison -n
    Daniel E. Farewell -n
    Imani Renee Franklin -n
    Harleen K. Gambhir -n
    Cary A. Glynn -n
    Jenya Godina -n
    Mary E. Goetz -pl. 5
    Sandra I. González Sánchez -n
    Chloe K. Goodwin -pl. 6
    Emerson Gordon-Marvin -n
    Max Gottschall -pl. 7
    Harry S. Graver – pr. 6
    Matthew P. Griechen -n
    Victoria Hall-Palerm -n
    Andrew Leon Hanna -n
    Noah Heinz -pr. 7
    Andrew R. Hellman -pr. 8
    Colin M. Herd -n
    Tre A. Holloway -n
    Dennis D. Howe -pl. 8
    Chandler S. Howell -n
    Ellora Thadaney Israni -n
    Ginger Jackson-Gleich -pr. 9
    Jyoti Jasrasaria -n
    Madeline B. Jenks -pl. 9
    Ben Jernigan -n
    Madeleine Joseph -pr. 10
    Alexandra C. Jumper -n
    Sarah Kahwash -n
    Caitlin Kearney -n
    Kevin Keller -pl. 10
    Alex King -n
    Alexa Kissinger pr. 11
    Cason Kynes -n
    Harry Perlmuth Larson -pr. 12
    Jesse Lempel -pr. 13
    David W. Li -n
    Molly Ma -n
    Sarah Loucks -n
    Paul Maneri -n
    Marissa L. Marandola -n
    Rebecca D. Martin -pr. 13
    Hannah Mullen -pr. 14
    Raeesa Imraan Munshi -n
    Alisan L. Oliver-Li -n
    Daniel L. Ottaunick -n
    Catherine Padhi -n
    Isaac Park -n
    David A. Phillips -n
    Bradley Pough -n
    Vinitra Rangan -n
    Alexandra Remick -n
    Dawson K. Robinson -n
    Steven Schaus -n
    Peter L. Schmidt -n
    Kathleen Smith Shelton -n
    Spencer D. Smith -n
    Zach ZhenHe Tan -n
    Ariel T. Teshuva -pr. 15
    Robin Tholin -n
    Michael L. Thomas, Jr. -n
    Daniel P. Tingley -n
    ImeIme Umana -n
    Nicholas A. Varone -n
    Alice X. Wang -n
    Jessica Y. Zhang -n

    Names that I think are very unlikely to be Jewish are marked “n” and I think the rest is self-explanatory (pr->probable, pl->plausible, in case I was wrong). On reflection I should probably have added another gradation. Anyway 15/92 probable -> 16.3%, while (15+10=25)/92 plausible -> 27.2%. I would think most of my “plausibles” are pretty unlikely though.

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  251. @FirstNobleTruth

    >> The most despicable commenters here are the ones who disingenuously say, “Jews succeed because they work hard, and losers blame all their problems on innocent Jews. You guys are just as bad as the minorities blaming white people for all their problems.”

    Yes, and we’re fooling ourselves if we believe for one moment that all those commenters aren’t Jews.

    Peterson himself is probably Jewish, as Steve Sailer seemed to hint recently (saying that Daniel Day-Lewis should play Peterson in a biopic–actually brilliant casting, although Day-Lewis is no longer young enough to play the younger Peterson).

    Peterson’s media celebrity was constructed by a Jewish TV producer, Wodek Szemberg:

    http://alt-right.com/2018/05/12/jordan-peterson-hand-selected-jewish-tv-producer-lead-dissent/

  252. Tyrion 2 says:
    @CanSpeccy

    You knew “absolutely that there was no way it could be true”, but you don’t say how you absolutely knew, so why should we take your certainty as being in any way indicative of the truth

    I don’t have a way to prove the percentage Jewish population at a university. My point is that no-one does. My absolute certainty about Oxford comes from personal experience. You can ignore it. I don’t care. So far the only evidence supporting any of this stuff is from Hillel House. Which is not a credible stats gatherer and has a vested interest in ethnic boosterism.

    It is cute to turn such superficial boosterism in on itself, and it make a sharp moral lesson in how even pleasant falsehoods have unpleasant effects (e.g tabula rasa) but to construct such a complicated case on it, is to build on quicksand.

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  253. Tyrion 2 says:
    @FKA Max

    The divergence between grad and undergrad degrees is amazing, if true. There’s something quite decadent about a lot of grad degrees. It is also quite self-indulgent to do one at Harvard because you failed to get in the first time.

  254. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Tyrion 2

    I don’t have a way to prove the percentage Jewish population at a university. My point is that no-one does.

    But Ron Unz says he does have a way to prove the percentage of Jewish population at a university. He says the percentage can be determined from the proportion of Jewish names. So rather than making a bald denial of Unz’s claim unsupported by any evidence or logic, why not tell us in what way the Unz method is invalid? The issue is, obviously, somewhat complicated. It involves the question of what is a Jew. Is it a matter of descent, of belief, culture or what? And if there is a correlation, what is the degree of correlation between “Jewish names” and being a Jew, however being a Jew is defined. To support your claim, you have to show why so-called Jewish names are not correlated to a significant degree with Jewishness, however defined. So let’s hear the argument please.

    • Replies: @utu
    , @Tyrion 2
  255. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Anon

    OK, that’s good. It supports Unz’s claim that there are plenty of Jews at Harvard. However, that conclusion depends on the validity of the Unz method, which as I discuss at #258 needs validation. Or at any rate, if Tyrion 2 has an argument, he needs to show why it is that the Unz method is invalid.

  256. utu says:
    @CanSpeccy

    You are wasting time with this guy. Obviously you can be quite accurate using names to pick Jews from a list in America. It would be harder in Eastern Europe where there was more crypsis and name changing particularly after WWII because (1) war trauma and (2) Jews moving to communist government positions. There are ambiguities with German names form Mid West, Colorado and Texas and with Slavic names but probability that somebody in media or politics with last name ending -ski is Polish is probably lower than that he is Jewish. Mika Brzezinski is an exception.

    Perhaps it would be harder in UK where changing names was more common, I think (Robert Maxwell, Tom Stoppard).

  257. @FKA Max

    If we assume a similar exaggeration rate for Harvard as at Technion, for example, this would still put the Jewish student population at over 25% of undergraduate and graduate students combined. But I personally believe Harvard Hillel numbers are much more reliable than their figures for Technion or CalTech, etc.

    I am not claiming these numbers are perfect but they are useful and should not outrightly be dismissed as unreliable.

    Why?

    First- why would anyone believe in such a discrepancy between Jewish undergraduates & graduates in Harvard, while all other elite universities, according to Hillel, have more or less the same figure for both categories (Stanford, MIT, Princeton, Duke, UPenn, Brown, ..), including very prominent other universities (University of Chicago, Carnegie Mellon, Boston University,..)? Why would Harvard and only Harvard be such an outlier?

    Then, why would we believe Hillel for Harvard, and not for Technion and CalTech? If they are to be corrected, then this correction should include all their data. Take a sample of, say, 20-30 universities, see which is the percentage for all of them, and try to notice anomalies which are easily detectable.

    Evidently, Technion, Harvard & Caltech data are anomalous re different aspects & need to be corrected.

  258. Tyrion 2 says:
    @CanSpeccy

    Can you help me out by pointing to where Unz uses surname analysis to determine the percentage of Jews at prestige universities?

    As far as I am aware he only used it for guesstimating the number of Jewish National Merit Scholar semi-finalists.

    Interestingly, it is my perception and experience that in the UK Jews with stereotypically Jewish surnames are seen as a bit déclassé, except for Cohen perhaps. And my favourite Cohen, the England international rugby player, is not Jewish at all.

  259. CanSpeccy says: • Website

    Can you help me out by pointing to where Unz uses surname analysis to determine the percentage of Jews at prestige universities?

    No, I won’t presume to speak for Ron Unz, who has commented on this thread and to whom it would be more appropriate for you to address your inquiry.

    However, it is clear from Unz’s comment above that he believes surname analysis to be a valid method for identifying American Jews. Moreover, in the The Myth of American Meritocracy, he has stated that 25% of students at Harvard are (or were at some time in the recent past) Jews, more in fact than non-Jewish whites. I assume, therefore, that his assessment that 25% of the students at Harvard in the recent past were Jews is based on last name analysis. However, in that Am Con Mag article, Unz cites Berkeley sociologist Karabel, as the source of much of his information. Therefore, you might refer to Karabel as to methods of ethnic and religious group identification.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  260. Tyrion 2 says:
    @CanSpeccy

    Can’t you just admit that you had no idea what you are talking about? You reply is a transparent case-study in dishonesty. It is so embarrassing.

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  261. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Tyrion 2

    Tyrion 2, you must be the intellectual reincarnation of Sam Johnson’s Poll who was all wiggle waggle and never could be categorical.

    Unz’s claim about Jews at Harvard was rubbish, so you said, but you’ve offered no grounds to reject the data that Unz cited or the inferences that Unz drew from the data.

    Your comments are mere vacuous assertions piled upon one another. You are, as someone else has observed, a waste of time.

  262. HBM says:
    @Mario Partisan

    Jews aren’t wired to be interested in building a host nation and its institutions. We take our mindset in this regard for granted. Jews all believe they should be Joseph in Egypt, and so they gravitate to the centers of power and to institutions of prestige.

    (Indeed, their takeover of those institutions is viewed by them as a great, and supremely moral, victory. Vineyards you did not plant, etc.)

    That a highly-intelligent Jew (as many if not most WASPs are wired to do) might consider going to a local college because that’s ultimately how you end up building Harvards and Yales simply does not happen with them. It doesn’t fit the ethno-narrative. They have no interest in it.

  263. Tyrion 2 says:

    By not admitting when you have been clearly caught out as wrong and continually trying to avoid a simple mea culpa you are totally discrediting yourself. There is no point in having a serious discussion with someone who can’t do this. It is so cringeworthy to see you carry on.

    You claimed that Unz based his analysis of the percentage of students who are Jewish at prestige universities on more than the methodology-free and non-credible assertion of Hillel, a sectarian organisation with an interest in ethnic boosterism. Specifically, you claimed that he had conducted surname analysis to prove this.

    That claim was wrong or right? If right, a simple link would prove it. If wrong, you made it up and/or are very stupid.

    It is clear that it is the latter from your following behaviour.

    To repeat myself:

    By not admitting when you have been clearly caught out as wrong and continually trying to avoid a simple mea culpa you are totally discrediting yourself. There is no point in me having a serious discussion with someone who can’t do this. It is so cringeworthy to see you carry on.

  264. CanSpeccy says: • Website

    There is no point in me having a serious discussion with someone who can’t do this.

    I note your use of bold face type to emphasize your bare faced inpudence in suggesting that you have any argument at all, let alone an argument worthy of “serious discussion.” You are simply a time-wasting flibbertigibbet. Good day to you.

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    • Troll: Tyrion 2
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  265. AaronB says:
    @CanSpeccy

    I have long known that Tyrion is a flibbertigibbet, and must be treated like a flibbertigibbet.

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  266. “But I haven’t seen many examples of this approach towards Jews.”

    Comedian Sam Hyde has done well with this approach in the following vids

  267. Ron Unz says:

    Well, here’s the way I look at it…

    In 2005 Jerome Karabell, an eminent sociologist, published his magnum opus on the history of Jewish enrollement at America’s most elite colleges, which won all sorts of scholarly awards and ran over 700 pages including more than 3000 endnotes, and clearly established him as America’s leading expert in that topic. He had spent a dozen years of his life on the project, and many of his most striking conclusions were drawn from the historical Hillel enrollment records.

    Now as it happens, he had never considered the NMS lists or other evidence on the Jewish performance side of the ledger, so I think he missed some of the most interesting aspects in his history, which were the focus of my own article, but I’d certainly rank his book as a magisterial work of scholarship, and I used it as a central text of my own Meritocracy analysis.

    I can’t imagine that anyone would claim that the Hillel figures are anything more than approximate estimates, but if they were just total nonsense, I’d suspect he would have noticed that fact during all his years of intensive research into the subject.

    So on the one side, we have Hillel, the MSM, and Prof. Karabell (plus every other academic scholar!) and on the other we have some agitated foreigner who hangs around my website commenting under the Handle “Tyrion 2,” and basing his claims on what some alleged non-Jewish friends of his once casually told him. Obviously, nobody can ever be sure about anything, but offhand I’d say there’s strong presumption is one direction.

    • Replies: @manorchurch
    , @Tyrion 2
  268. @Ron Unz

    Professor Littleoldman agrees with you, Mel.

  269. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Ron Unz

    Someone else has already discredited Hillel’s figures, as if they needed discrediting! They’re just given without justification!!!

    I started this line of questioning mostly because I was amused how far down the rabbit hole the discussion went based off some student organisation’s silly made-up stats.

    Can anyone provide their methodology? Or are we just supposed to take them to heart? This is ludicrous.

    I get that the MSM is happy to use them but they’re happy to use any random nonsense if it suits their editorial line.

    In this case, like in almost every case, the Emperor has no clothes.

    Also, ‘agitated foreigner’, ha!

    https://sites.google.com/site/nuritbaytch/#Weyl

    Unz’s analysis relied exclusively on the Jewish enrollment estimates published by each relevant university’s Hillel. I was immediately skeptical of Harvard Hillel’s claim that Jews comprise ~25% of Harvard College students, as my personal estimate of Harvard’s Jewish enrollment was considerably lower; furthermore, upon close examination of the Jewish enrollment figures furnished by the Harvard and Yale Hillels, it is evident that their data exhibit statistical anomalies indicating that their figures are unreliable. When I asked the Harvard Hillel how they obtained their estimates of Jewish undergraduate enrollment, they indicated that Harvard used to collect religious preferences cards from freshmen but that this practice ended ~20 years ago. I did not receive a reply to my inquiry as to how Harvard Hillel currently estimates the percentage of Jewish students at Harvard College, which Hillel claims is ~25%.[11] However, according to The Harvard Crimson’s Class of 2017 Freshman Survey, only 9.5% of Harvard freshmen identify their religious affiliation as Jewish.[12]

    It is difficult to determine the percentage of Jews among high academic achievers (particularly on the basis of names alone), as many Jews do not have obviously Jewish names, in part because many Jews Anglicized their surnames due to anti-Semitism. Nevertheless, we can use Weyl Analysis, which is an objective and reproducible methodology (once clearly defined), to compare the proportion of Jews among NMS semifinalists and Harvard undergraduates. Weyl Analysis yields an estimate of the percentage of Jews in a data set based on the frequency with which specific distinctive Jewish surnames like Cohen and Goldberg appear. However, Unz’s description of Weyl Analysis is ambiguous, and when I first performed Weyl Analysis on the Harvard alumni directory, I incorrectly assumed that Unz meant Gold* when he wrote “Gold—” (as I stated on February 13th and February 19th); I also full-counted hyphenated surnames that included one of the distinctive Jewish surnames on the Weyl list (Unz did not specify how to treat hyphenated surnames). I asked Unz to clarify these ambiguities, but he declined to do so, so I had no option but to reproduce his NMS results in order to resolve these ambiguities. It turns out Unz had meant {Gold, Goldberg, Golden, Goldman, Goldstein} by “Gold—”, and he had not counted hyphenated names.[13] (Please refer to the previous footnote for the details on how I determined this.) This is why my initial Weyl Analysis results for the percentage of Jewish NMS semifinalists, as reported by Prof. Gelman here were higher than Unz’s. In addition, as I had counted all surnames starting with Gold and all hyphenated Weyl surnames among the Harvard alumni directory names, my initial Weyl Analysis results for the percentage of Jewish students at Harvard College, as reported by Prof. Gelman, were too high. Using the same methodology on the Harvard alumni directory that enabled me to reproduce Unz’s result that Jews represent 6-7% of NMS semifinalists in the 25-state aggregate (as Unz reported in the first table of Appendix E), I obtained the revised estimate that Jews represented 7-9% of Harvard College students in Fall 2008.[14] I have also performed Weyl Analysis on Harvard College’s current and publicly available directory, yielding the result that 5-6% of current Harvard undergraduates are Jewish, which is slightly lower than the percentage of Jewish NMS semifinalists determined via Weyl Analysis.[15] Thus, when one uses the same objective methodology on the names of both NMS semifinalists (Unz’s proxy for the pool of qualified Harvard applicants) and Harvard undergraduates, one finds no evidence for Harvard’s “massive apparent bias in favor of far less-qualified Jewish applicants,” as claimed by Unz.

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
    , @Ron Unz
  270. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Tyrion 2

    Ha! So you have facts and arguments after all. Very good. But why then did you initially, and so embarrassingly, play the popinjay and insult those who asked, as I did, for evidence in support of your assertions?

    Not that the motivation for your peculiar intervention in the discussion matters very much. By providing the basis for your rejection of Ron Unz’s claims about the proportion of Jewish students at Harvard, our understanding of what appears to be a murky issue is somewhat clarified.

  271. Ron Unz says:
    @Tyrion 2

    However, according to The Harvard Crimson’s Class of 2017 Freshman Survey, only 9.5% of Harvard freshmen identify their religious affiliation as Jewish.

    Ha, ha, ha. It’s nice to see that our good friend “Tyrion 2″ is doing his best to confirm my finding that Jews these days are not particularly bright, and perhaps providing some additional evidence that dim-wittedness is particularly strong among the fanatic ethnic-activist segment of Jewry, including himself.

    Okay, so he located an extremely helpful datapoint that 9.5% of the Harvard Class of 2017 are *religiously* Jewish. However, it only took me a few seconds to locate this Haaretz article:

    https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/jews-least-observant-int-l-poll-finds-1.5287579

    It notes that Jews are among the world’s *least* religious groups, and that worldwide only 38% of (ethnic) Jews follow the Jewish *religion*. Assuming that The Crimson survey is correct and Harvard Jews are typical of those worldwide, this would imply that 9.5% / 0.38 = 25%(!!!) of Harvard freshmen are *ethnically* Jewish, which by an astonishing coincidence is *exactly* the Hillel figure I was using. I think I’d call that a game-ending own-goal…

    Indeed, since religiosity is especially strong among ultra-Orthodox Jews who are very mediocre in their academic achievement, while America’s most academically elite groups—Jew or Gentile—tend to be among the least religious, this figure might even be an underestimate. Certainly back during my own Harvard days, I’d have been astonished if even 1/3 of the Jews I knew practiced “the Jewish religion.”

    Jewish-activists are notorious for playing these sorts of very slippery definitional games. For example, I wouldn’t be surprised if “Tyrion 2″ were to claim that there had never been a single “Jewish Communist.” How could there be, since Communists by definition practice no religion.

    Ha, ha, ha…

    • Replies: @FKA Max
    , @Tyrion 2
  272. FKA Max says: • Website
    @Ron Unz

    It notes that Jews are among the world’s *least* religious groups, and that worldwide only 38% of (ethnic) Jews follow the Jewish *religion*. Assuming that The Crimson survey is correct and Harvard Jews are typical of those worldwide, this would imply that 9.5% / 0.38 = 25%(!!!) of Harvard freshmen are *ethnically* Jewish, which by an astonishing coincidence is *exactly* the Hillel figure I was using.

    Outstanding reply, sir!

    For other commenters and readers:

    Tyrion 2 cited/quoted “Jewish [female] berserker” http://www.unz.com/article/a-reply-to-jordan-peterson/#comment-2330137 Nurit Baytch:

    As for Nurit Baytch, she seems rather mentally ill to me, and I don’t really pay any attention to what she writes. I speak advisedly. Over a period of a few months, she left hundreds of rather rambling comments over all sorts of blogsites, most without substantive value and rather obsessive in tone. I believe she was still attempting to retain her anonymity at that point supposedly for fear of attacks by “anti-semites.” Later, when I mentioned somewhere that I had been invited to give a talk on my paper at the University of Chicago Law School, she showed up there to “confront” me, and her appearance, mannerisms, and behavior are what have led to my personal characterization. She reminded me a bit of those “Weather Underground” girls I’ve sometimes seen in photos of the 1960s. I tend to distrust detailed statistical analyses allegedly performed on private datasets by mentally ill individuals.

    Her senior partner in all of her supposed statistical “debunkings” was Prof. Janet Mertz, who herself seems to have somewhat odd views on all sorts of things. I discuss some of her work here:

    http://www.unz.com/runz/meritocracy-almost-as-wrong-as-larry-summers/

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/who-knew-haven-monahan-had-transferred-from-uva-to-ucla/#comment-891954

    Nurit Baytch
    @NuritBaytch

    Disputatious Jew.

    - https://twitter.com/nuritbaytch Archived link: http://archive.is/wR35O

  273. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Ron Unz

    No. Obviously none of that was my point. That was merely her introduction to her real analysis. Way to strawman and write a load of nonsense!

    Whomever that lady is (it doesn’t matter) applied the same technique that you used to estimate the percentage of Jewish National Merit Semifinalists to the percentage of Jewish Harvard students and found that Hillel was wrong.

    Ergo, you are wrong. Your entire argument is based off the unjustified stats collected by a silly Jewish student organisation to engage in a little ethnic boosterism. That is the real farce here.

  274. Anon[120] • Disclaimer says:
    @denk

    While I have never yet seen an intelligent or even amusing or civil comment from you I live in hope. Perhaps you would care to give an explanation for the total failure of an existential threat which has had that status for 500 years. Maybe you will begin to see the limitations and problems for those who throw cheap rhetoric about for want of any product of the intellect.

  275. c matt says:
    @Swan Knight

    and lo and behold, majority of the admissions committee is Jewish.

    If this is the portion to which you refer, then you are the one in error. Perhaps an article is missing (“a majority” or “the majority”). But “is” refers to the state of being of the majority, which is a single thing. Asshole.

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