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Although I’ve been totally preoccupied with software issues for the last couple of months, I was very proud to see that the Washington Post included The Review in the official list of America’s major “Fake News” Russian propaganda websites, apparently used by the Kremlin to subvert American democracy and thereby foster the spread of Godless Soviet Communism… err, the Russian Orthodox Christianity of Vladimir Putin. Sweeter still was that we received this honor as our traffic reached record levels, and we prepared to begin a major expansion of our content offerings.

The “Fake News” lists themselves, compiled by some obscure academic as well as a tiny and totally unknown new website called PropOrNot.com, were certainly curious ones. Names listed variously include leading rightwing publications such as the Drudge Report and Breitbart.com but also extended to the some of the most popular libertarian or anti-intervention websites such as LewRockwell, Antiwar.com, Ron Paul, and David Stockman, further extending to leading anti-establishment leftist publications such as Counterpunch, TruthDig, Common Dreams, TruthOut, and Naked Capitalism. Popular websites emphasizing conspiratorial views such as InfoWars, Rense.com, and Zero Hedge made the list, as did publications of the racialist Alt-Right such as American Renaissance and VDare. Even world-famous Wikileaks—that firehose of raw, unfiltered information which obviously falls into an entirely different category—reached one of the lists. The proposed solution to this “Fake News” problem was for our monopolistic social media and search companies such Facebook, Twitter, and Google to exercise their patriotic discretion and prevent these ideas from “confusing” the vulnerable public.

Given such a bizarre hodge-podge of webzines and individuals—who knew that Ron Paul was a Russian propagandist?—the only common thread I can find is that the writers tend to be critical of the political establishment of both major parties and are especially doubtful about such widespread bipartisan policies as support for nuclear war brinksmanship with Russia. Strangely enough, the election results seemed to demonstrate that many tens of millions of American voters shared these views, perhaps representing the diabolical fulfillment of Putin’s “Fake News” strategy.

I’ll admit that although our small webzine has republication relationships with several of the media outlets so targeted, I’d never heard of the vast majority of them. However, such an endorsement of fearlessness and credibility counts for something, and I’ll henceforth try to keep their names in mind. Meanwhile, we’ve already run a few pieces more directly addressing the topic:

And it was fitting that a senior figure of the most important “Fake News” website of them all—WikiLeaks—recently chose our publication as the venue to present his own views about the future of the New York Times and the rest of the mainstream media, an article that attracted enormous worldwide traffic:

Stepping back a bit, this silly flap in which pillars of the Establishment Media such as the Washington Post and the Los Angeles Times denounced their less establishmentarian rivals as “fake” relates to the exact reason that I had originally launched this small webzine, hoping to make it a convenient venue for those important and controversial ideas largely excluded from mainstream coverage. Indeed, I think we are almost unique among webzines in publishing controversial perspectives both rightwing and leftwing, libertarian and traditionalist, conspiratorial and racialist, and with topics ranging from foreign policy to politics to economics. Since these varied non-conforming ideologies were exactly the ones separately provided on the lists of the condemned fakers, I might suggest that we represent a summary encapsulation of the entire collection. So although some of those other publications certainly dwarf ours in traffic and readership, perhaps one could even argue that we are the absolutely fakest of all the Fake News websites.

 

But what is “Fake News”? After all, my lengthy American Pravda series—which I hope to soon restart—had been intended to provide numerous examples of extremely important and reasonably well-documented stories that remain totally ignored by our entire MSM, possibly due to reasons of laziness, incompetence, cowardice, or corruption. And since the media creates Reality, surely anything not covered by the media cannot exist and must be “fake,” whether or not it is actually true. Given that the media had spent so many weeks proclaiming Hillary Clinton the inevitable presidential victor, perhaps Donald Trump should be declared a “fake president.”

One of the most shocking “Fake News” items I’ve personally disseminated in those articles was the likely abandonment of hundreds of American POWs in Vietnam, as heavily documented over the years by the late Sydney Schanberg, whose stunning expose played an important role in my own media awakening. In early October I took a took a brief trip to the East Coast to attend his memorial service at the offices of The New York Times, which the Gray Lady held as a fitting tribute to one of its most renowned former representives. The large meeting room was packed with some 300 individuals, many among them the elderly pillars of his generation of the newspaper elite, while Publisher Arthur Sulzberger and former Executive Editor Joseph Lelyveld were among the speakers.

It is hard to imagine a more respectable or establishmentarian media gathering, yet two of the other speakers also directly mentioned Schanberg’s remarkable POW findings, and the shame of the media in refusing to acknowledge or even investigate the truth of those historical claims. And in my private conversations, a couple of knowledgeable attendees suggested to me that the reason for the continued media silence was Henry Kissinger, age 93 but still enormously influential in elite circles, whose likely role at the absolute center of the cover-up prevented the truth from coming out; but once he finally left the scene, a mammoth national scandal would no longer be kept hidden by our lapdog media.

 

Meanwhile, closer to home, I’m very pleased at our growing readership, and with my current software efforts approaching their successful conclusion, I hope to considerably expand our coverage in various areas, taking advantage of the political opening provided by the remarkable events of the last few weeks. The total accumulated volume of our comments—as always, ranging from the erudite to the deranged—is now at the edge of the hundred million word mark, a truly enormous volume of what is often very detailed alternative perspectives. In this Age of Twitter, a medium of political discourse that seems almost totally worthless to me, I’m very glad to provide a alternative venue for those whose ideas of the world cannot be squeezed into just 140 characters.

As an excellent example of this broader project, a couple of days ago I incorporated the previously published writings of Dr. Stephen J. Sniegoski, a corpus of controversial historical and political analysis that comes to well over 250,000 words. His recent book review we published on the political dynamics of the establishment of the State of Israel had provoked considerable discussion, and I happened to discover that over 15 years ago he’d written a very detailed and impressive review of Thomas Mahl’s book on the British espionage efforts to secure America’s entry into World War II, a topic I myself had covered myself in late August. During the preparation of my own article, I had naturally googled around to locate previous discussions, and my total failure to discover his fine piece was partly due to its location on a rather small conservative-libertarian website called The Last Ditch. This led me to realize how unfortunate it was that so much of his other analysis had probably remained similarly hidden away in an obscure corner of the Internet, and I made arrangements to republish his collected material, most of which appeared in the last fifteen years and heavily focuses on the 9/11 attacks, the Iraq War, and the politics and history of the Middle East in general. Here are links to three of his longest articles, as well as his main Archive page, allowing you to evaluate his analysis for yourself:

Researching and writings all these long articles, containing thousands of footnotes, obviously required an enormous amount of dedicated time and effort, while fully incorporating them into our highly-automated website took only a day or two. I hope to regularly follow this enormously-efficient approach to augmenting the content material we provide. In many ways, I originally envisioned this website as primarily a convenient content-distribution channel and commenting platform, and this just as easily applies to archival writings as well as articles that touch the daily headlines.

Finally, I’m saddened to announce that our resident science blogger Razib Khan has joined a new business startup intending to revolutionize the publication of scientific articles, and therefore will be moving his blog to their website, which will shortly be released. Razib began his GNXP blogging career in the early 2000s, taking it through several different incarnations and websites, and ultimately bringing it to The Review on the first day we launched. We will very much regret the loss of his incisive analysis, focused primarily on evolutionary biology issues but also demonstrating a deep knowledge of numerous historical epochs and civilizations. We’re disappointed to lose him, but fully understand his desire to directly participate in bringing the Internet Revolution into the staid and stodgy world of academic scientific publishing.

 
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  1. Having arrive at UNZ when iSteve moved here, the fall of the mainstream media and the corresponding rise of the what I guess is or should be called the alternate media astounds me.

    When I try to describe what a true visionary is to somebody, I always reference the Playboy interview of Steve Jobs years before the iPhone arrived as an example of someone that saw the future well in advance. I believe at some level, Ron Unz must have had a glimpse of the possibility of alt-media, and it is coming to fruition. I am uncertain what the total impact of the democratization of news and thought provided by sites such as the UNZ Review will bring to our republic and the world, but it is clear to me that the president elect of the United States will be inaugurated next month because alternative media exists.

    Thus the reaction from the politicians and the mainstream media is sheer horror, the megaphone has lost its effectiveness, and they are at a loss at what to do, so for the moment they are crying “fake news”. Stay tuned for censorship at attempts to regulate.

    It is as if the technology has allowed an efficient method for those interested and capable to meet, vigorously argue and come to a consensus on the truth. Commenters, ordinary citizens that can play a part in the sandbox, if they are credible, while Rubes are quickly dismissed. I can see why Razib wants to help usher this creative destruction on our so called thought leaders in academic publishing. The academic world, particularly the non-technical disciplines being some of the most ossified and undemocratic institutions in the country.

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  2. “from the erudite to the deranged” – one of the glories of unz.com is (are?) the comment threads.

    “the staid and stodgy world of academic scientific publishing” – there needs to be a “highly profitable” in there somewhere. IMHO everything produced by publicly-funded academics should be open access.

    More power to your elbow, Mr Unz. Onwards and upwards!

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  3. Well, I hope you are satisfied with destroying democracy.

    From NBC’s First Read

    How it all delegitimizes the media and democracy

    There’s one more consequence to the rants, feuds, and conspiracy theories: They end up delegitimizing the media — and the country’s democracy. Think about it: Every time Trump claims, without substantiation, that millions voted illegally, and every time the news media call him out for it, that only delegitimizes the media among Trump’s supporters. And then when the same media write and cover Trump’s conflicts of interests (or policy proposals or anything else), those same supporters won’t believe a word of it. Will the media be alone in this challenge? Or will members of BOTH parties decide that what’s happening to two key institutions — the press and the vote — is worth fighting for?

    I read this as saying, “If you don’t listen to us and accept our interpretations, you are going to destroy democracy.”

    I think that if I was failing and drowning, I would try and wrap myself in the life raft of democracy too.

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    • Replies: @Anon
    Democracy belongs only to the insider elites according to MSM.

    Now, if the MSM had done a professional job defined by courage and integrity over the years, I would agree with MSM.

    But PC and ethno-hypocrisy destroyed the MSM.

    Alt media gained precisely because MSM became such a purveyor of lies.
    , @David
    Your last point reminds me of the Dr Johnson line, "Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel."
    , @in the middle
    From my chair of view, the MSM has lost all credibility! Call me crazy, but that is the case. As a matter if fact, I don't even watch the news on TV; The internet has replaced TV news. This site together with Presstv, RT, veteranstoday, etc. are my daily reading. To hell with the MSM.
  4. that news article by washington post reads like damage control for the spread of fake news on facebook. instead of dealing with the problem, facebook’s problem, they are pointing fingers instead. deflecting.

    that means whatever Ron is doing is working.

    please expand and provide more of everything. especially articles by people like fred, pepe and david lindorff. my wish is for this website to become as popular as any major fake newspaper. the more people reads this webzine the better it is for our country.

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    • Replies: @anonymous
    The more people observe Mr. Unz's commenting guidelines, the better it is for this webzine.
    , @in the middle
    Way before finding the alternative media, one fellow airman introduced me to the fallacy of the narrative giving to the sheep by the MSM, and our Gov. about 9/11. We had long discussions and a civilian called us conspiracy theorists crazies. We challenged him to find out for himself though. Within three months, he called us back to his office, and explained how hard it was for him to accept what he found via youtube, and other sites, and thanked us for pushing the issue with him. All evidence points to an inside job, the engineer told us.

    Well, thank God 'some' sheep are awaking, and hopefully some day... some day, more and more sheep will awake to the truth.
  5. Ron, speaking of software issues, have you noticed the current bug with the next article in a series not being hyperlinked? For example, your previous “Major Commenting Enhancements” article does not have a link to this one. I believe this only started in the last week or two.

    Thanks for all you do to provide the Unz Review!

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    • Replies: @Ron Unz

    Ron, speaking of software issues, have you noticed the current bug with the next article in a series not being hyperlinked?
     
    Fixed. It's basically a caching problem but the expiration lifetimes right now are probably set too long.
  6. I am sorry to see Razib Khan is leaving the Unz Review. His Unz “column” was always one of the places to which I’d refer people who expressed a sincere desire to learn something about modern discoveries in human genetics and related issues.

    Apropos, the latest MSM scam, “fake news”, I enjoy pointing out to the individuals who try to propagate this gem that:

    (1) One of the reasons they were so shocked by the results of this recent election is that they were ignorant and ill-informed and the reason they were ignorant and ill-informed is that they were ill-served by the MSM and all their other “news” sources.

    (2) Everyone I knew who either relied on or considered “fake news” sources knew damn well the election would be close and most suspected that Trump would squeak to victory.

    (3) Two weeks before the election I predicted in public and in a verifiable that way we would see MSM commentators openly crying on election night and that my fulfilled prediction tells us two things: (a) These people are ignorant fools; and (b) They were completely and corruptly in the tank for Clinton.

    (4) My sole sources for “news” at the moment are (a) the Unz Review; (2) the Drudge Report; (3) VDare.Com; (4) Taki’s Magazine; and (5) NPR [to check what the crazies are telling us to believe]; (6) Boston.Com for local news; and (6) Fox TV News for local news. And as a result I am much better informed than they on most current issues. I’m happy to accept challenges on this latter score and fact checking on the internet almost invariably confirms my take on local events versus theirs.

    I then suggest that these victims of the MSM read both Unz and Drudge on a regular basis and compare what they learn with both the official MSM narrative and also what finally seems to be the truth.

    I warn them — particularly my Jewish and Zionist friends — that they will be upset — sometimes rightfully so — by some of what they read in Unz and Drudge but an honest appraisal will ultimately lead them to the conclusion that they get a far better picture of reality from these “fake news” sources than say the WaPo, NYT, LAT, BosGlob, WSJ, NPR, ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, BBS, CBS, etc., etc.

    My advice is to challenge all victims of the MSM to do the same.

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    • Replies: @5371
    Good riddance to Khan, consistently dull and self-important.
    , @Astuteobservor II
    we can all understand why certain articles gets certain type of comments right? given the role the jewish elite plays in the usa, everything about our govt, media, foreign policy, hell our schools, and most important of all, our wars.

    there is only one answer. don't act surprise or offended by the answer.
    , @TheJester
    Your list of prefered news sources is similar to mine. I would add RT to the list. Yes, RT is funded by Putin's government, but the Russians learned a good lesson from their Soviet predecessors: In fronting propaganda, always says what it true ... or, you are too easily found out. Our own MSM are such primitives that they have not yet learned that simple lesson (perhaps we should call them victims of the Facebook syndrome ... sites and sources where people come to gossip rather than be informed).

    I was aware of corporate agendas in the MSM, but I was still shocked at the naked proselytizing for Hillary Clinton by the MSM in the presidential election. Never again! I deleted all MSM sources from my computers, phones, and tablets. The headlines were the only justification I needed. It is a lonelier world and I get through the day's events more quickly ... but then I have more time for the Unz Review.

    WaPo and the NYT ... may you rest in peace!

    , @Dalberg
    I was heartened to see sticker on the back of a transit van in Inverness this afternoon with the following message: 'Is that true or did you hear it on the BBC?
    , @Dale
    You should add EconomicPolicyJournal to your list, and lewrockwell.com.
    , @Baldurdasche
    Newsweek has some raving lunacy written for it on a regular basis.
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    @Astuteobservor II
    that news article by washington post reads like damage control for the spread of fake news on facebook. instead of dealing with the problem, facebook's problem, they are pointing fingers instead. deflecting.

    that means whatever Ron is doing is working.

    please expand and provide more of everything. especially articles by people like fred, pepe and david lindorff. my wish is for this website to become as popular as any major fake newspaper. the more people reads this webzine the better it is for our country.

    The more people observe Mr. Unz’s commenting guidelines, the better it is for this webzine.

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    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
    imo, nothing really matters other than 1 handle only rule so people can't fake it (this is the most important point) and allowing anon comments like yours :)

    alot of people doesn't agree with this but I think every comment should be allowed short of outright threats. sometimes, expletives are called for :)
  8. @res
    Ron, speaking of software issues, have you noticed the current bug with the next article in a series not being hyperlinked? For example, your previous "Major Commenting Enhancements" article does not have a link to this one. I believe this only started in the last week or two.

    Thanks for all you do to provide the Unz Review!

    Ron, speaking of software issues, have you noticed the current bug with the next article in a series not being hyperlinked?

    Fixed. It’s basically a caching problem but the expiration lifetimes right now are probably set too long.

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  9. @Jus' Sayin'...
    I am sorry to see Razib Khan is leaving the Unz Review. His Unz "column" was always one of the places to which I'd refer people who expressed a sincere desire to learn something about modern discoveries in human genetics and related issues.

    Apropos, the latest MSM scam, "fake news", I enjoy pointing out to the individuals who try to propagate this gem that:

    (1) One of the reasons they were so shocked by the results of this recent election is that they were ignorant and ill-informed and the reason they were ignorant and ill-informed is that they were ill-served by the MSM and all their other "news" sources.

    (2) Everyone I knew who either relied on or considered "fake news" sources knew damn well the election would be close and most suspected that Trump would squeak to victory.

    (3) Two weeks before the election I predicted in public and in a verifiable that way we would see MSM commentators openly crying on election night and that my fulfilled prediction tells us two things: (a) These people are ignorant fools; and (b) They were completely and corruptly in the tank for Clinton.

    (4) My sole sources for "news" at the moment are (a) the Unz Review; (2) the Drudge Report; (3) VDare.Com; (4) Taki's Magazine; and (5) NPR [to check what the crazies are telling us to believe]; (6) Boston.Com for local news; and (6) Fox TV News for local news. And as a result I am much better informed than they on most current issues. I'm happy to accept challenges on this latter score and fact checking on the internet almost invariably confirms my take on local events versus theirs.

    I then suggest that these victims of the MSM read both Unz and Drudge on a regular basis and compare what they learn with both the official MSM narrative and also what finally seems to be the truth.

    I warn them -- particularly my Jewish and Zionist friends -- that they will be upset -- sometimes rightfully so -- by some of what they read in Unz and Drudge but an honest appraisal will ultimately lead them to the conclusion that they get a far better picture of reality from these "fake news" sources than say the WaPo, NYT, LAT, BosGlob, WSJ, NPR, ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, BBS, CBS, etc., etc.

    My advice is to challenge all victims of the MSM to do the same.

    Good riddance to Khan, consistently dull and self-important.

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    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
    I can understand why khan acts the way he does. his articles aren't really up for debate, it was like he was publishing data for the rest of us to consume. dare I say scientific in nature? how many commentators are qualified to peer review his data? I feel the same way about jayman's articles. articles by authors like that are meant to be read only. I rarely comment on those articles, just read them for information and my own curiosity.

    you really can't criticize those types unless you are also an expert in that field. kinda wish khan was a bit more laid back.
    , @Kyle McKenna
    Khan won't be missed here either. He was notoriously incapable of tolerating dissent.
  10. @anonymous
    The more people observe Mr. Unz's commenting guidelines, the better it is for this webzine.

    imo, nothing really matters other than 1 handle only rule so people can’t fake it (this is the most important point) and allowing anon comments like yours :)

    alot of people doesn’t agree with this but I think every comment should be allowed short of outright threats. sometimes, expletives are called for :)

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  11. @Jus' Sayin'...
    I am sorry to see Razib Khan is leaving the Unz Review. His Unz "column" was always one of the places to which I'd refer people who expressed a sincere desire to learn something about modern discoveries in human genetics and related issues.

    Apropos, the latest MSM scam, "fake news", I enjoy pointing out to the individuals who try to propagate this gem that:

    (1) One of the reasons they were so shocked by the results of this recent election is that they were ignorant and ill-informed and the reason they were ignorant and ill-informed is that they were ill-served by the MSM and all their other "news" sources.

    (2) Everyone I knew who either relied on or considered "fake news" sources knew damn well the election would be close and most suspected that Trump would squeak to victory.

    (3) Two weeks before the election I predicted in public and in a verifiable that way we would see MSM commentators openly crying on election night and that my fulfilled prediction tells us two things: (a) These people are ignorant fools; and (b) They were completely and corruptly in the tank for Clinton.

    (4) My sole sources for "news" at the moment are (a) the Unz Review; (2) the Drudge Report; (3) VDare.Com; (4) Taki's Magazine; and (5) NPR [to check what the crazies are telling us to believe]; (6) Boston.Com for local news; and (6) Fox TV News for local news. And as a result I am much better informed than they on most current issues. I'm happy to accept challenges on this latter score and fact checking on the internet almost invariably confirms my take on local events versus theirs.

    I then suggest that these victims of the MSM read both Unz and Drudge on a regular basis and compare what they learn with both the official MSM narrative and also what finally seems to be the truth.

    I warn them -- particularly my Jewish and Zionist friends -- that they will be upset -- sometimes rightfully so -- by some of what they read in Unz and Drudge but an honest appraisal will ultimately lead them to the conclusion that they get a far better picture of reality from these "fake news" sources than say the WaPo, NYT, LAT, BosGlob, WSJ, NPR, ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, BBS, CBS, etc., etc.

    My advice is to challenge all victims of the MSM to do the same.

    we can all understand why certain articles gets certain type of comments right? given the role the jewish elite plays in the usa, everything about our govt, media, foreign policy, hell our schools, and most important of all, our wars.

    there is only one answer. don’t act surprise or offended by the answer.

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    • Replies: @in the middle
    I am apprehensive about blaming all on the 'Jews'. Just like it takes two to tangle, also it takes the dumb goyim to learn and get some balls if needed to take the fight on the propaganda media. I believe trump is liked because he has the balls to tell it like it is. Most people are afraid of saying what they want to say. I told my neighbor across the street from my house to shed the 'slave-guilt' the 'anti-Semite guilt', etc. Grow some cohones! people. I am not insinuating as to go and offend people outright. NO, simple as a supervisor once told me. "Sergeant! you can tell a Colonel to go to hell, as long as you tell him in an appropriate and respectful way". It is the same way for people to disassemble the political correct garbage. 'in an appropriate and respectful way".

    My neighbor responded to me this way. 'Yeah, I remember when growing up, if you took something from me, we would say" you 'jewed me".... So what is it?
  12. @5371
    Good riddance to Khan, consistently dull and self-important.

    I can understand why khan acts the way he does. his articles aren’t really up for debate, it was like he was publishing data for the rest of us to consume. dare I say scientific in nature? how many commentators are qualified to peer review his data? I feel the same way about jayman’s articles. articles by authors like that are meant to be read only. I rarely comment on those articles, just read them for information and my own curiosity.

    you really can’t criticize those types unless you are also an expert in that field. kinda wish khan was a bit more laid back.

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  13. Re-content expansion plans: With JayMan’s dormancy, the chilling of Peter Frost, and now the departure of Razib Khan, could I make a nomination or two?

    * hbd*chick – Probably the person who did more than anyone else to popularize the Hajnal Line and the effects of consanguinity on personality. Excellent candidate to replace JayMan.

    * James Thompson – An academic at UCL who runs one of the world’s best blogs on psychometrics. Would be a very solid replacement for Peter Frost.

    Unfortunately, I can really think of any good replacement for Razib Khan. The sphere in which he works is very interesting, dynamic, and I suspect quite lucrative, but it is also quite politicized. On that note:

    Since these Tweets are in the public domain, I hope I’m not being too untowards in posting them. Please note that I don’t mean to imply anything myself.

    All the people in the above Tweets appear to be active in genomics. Again, just pointing out some features of interest and possibly coincidences, not implying absolutely anything myself. If you wish to propose your own hypotheses that is up to you.

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    • Replies: @5371
    So Skypes said to Khan, "Jump!" and Khan, after a brief show of resistance, said, "How high?"
    , @John Jeremiah Smith

    All the people in the above Tweets appear to be active in genomics.
     
    Possibly, you've noticed how everyone gripes about the weather, but nobody does anything about it? With respect to genetics and the tacit irrelevance of HBD "theory", the globe has a burgeoning population growth that is out of control, and means the ultimate undoing of human civilization. Yet, large groups of fools focus on some form of the idiocy of tuning human genetics. Go figure.
  14. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @iffen
    Well, I hope you are satisfied with destroying democracy.

    From NBC's First Read


    How it all delegitimizes the media and democracy

    There's one more consequence to the rants, feuds, and conspiracy theories: They end up delegitimizing the media -- and the country's democracy. Think about it: Every time Trump claims, without substantiation, that millions voted illegally, and every time the news media call him out for it, that only delegitimizes the media among Trump's supporters. And then when the same media write and cover Trump's conflicts of interests (or policy proposals or anything else), those same supporters won't believe a word of it. Will the media be alone in this challenge? Or will members of BOTH parties decide that what's happening to two key institutions -- the press and the vote -- is worth fighting for?
     

    I read this as saying, "If you don't listen to us and accept our interpretations, you are going to destroy democracy."

    I think that if I was failing and drowning, I would try and wrap myself in the life raft of democracy too.

    Democracy belongs only to the insider elites according to MSM.

    Now, if the MSM had done a professional job defined by courage and integrity over the years, I would agree with MSM.

    But PC and ethno-hypocrisy destroyed the MSM.

    Alt media gained precisely because MSM became such a purveyor of lies.

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  15. @Jus' Sayin'...
    I am sorry to see Razib Khan is leaving the Unz Review. His Unz "column" was always one of the places to which I'd refer people who expressed a sincere desire to learn something about modern discoveries in human genetics and related issues.

    Apropos, the latest MSM scam, "fake news", I enjoy pointing out to the individuals who try to propagate this gem that:

    (1) One of the reasons they were so shocked by the results of this recent election is that they were ignorant and ill-informed and the reason they were ignorant and ill-informed is that they were ill-served by the MSM and all their other "news" sources.

    (2) Everyone I knew who either relied on or considered "fake news" sources knew damn well the election would be close and most suspected that Trump would squeak to victory.

    (3) Two weeks before the election I predicted in public and in a verifiable that way we would see MSM commentators openly crying on election night and that my fulfilled prediction tells us two things: (a) These people are ignorant fools; and (b) They were completely and corruptly in the tank for Clinton.

    (4) My sole sources for "news" at the moment are (a) the Unz Review; (2) the Drudge Report; (3) VDare.Com; (4) Taki's Magazine; and (5) NPR [to check what the crazies are telling us to believe]; (6) Boston.Com for local news; and (6) Fox TV News for local news. And as a result I am much better informed than they on most current issues. I'm happy to accept challenges on this latter score and fact checking on the internet almost invariably confirms my take on local events versus theirs.

    I then suggest that these victims of the MSM read both Unz and Drudge on a regular basis and compare what they learn with both the official MSM narrative and also what finally seems to be the truth.

    I warn them -- particularly my Jewish and Zionist friends -- that they will be upset -- sometimes rightfully so -- by some of what they read in Unz and Drudge but an honest appraisal will ultimately lead them to the conclusion that they get a far better picture of reality from these "fake news" sources than say the WaPo, NYT, LAT, BosGlob, WSJ, NPR, ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, BBS, CBS, etc., etc.

    My advice is to challenge all victims of the MSM to do the same.

    Your list of prefered news sources is similar to mine. I would add RT to the list. Yes, RT is funded by Putin’s government, but the Russians learned a good lesson from their Soviet predecessors: In fronting propaganda, always says what it true … or, you are too easily found out. Our own MSM are such primitives that they have not yet learned that simple lesson (perhaps we should call them victims of the Facebook syndrome … sites and sources where people come to gossip rather than be informed).

    I was aware of corporate agendas in the MSM, but I was still shocked at the naked proselytizing for Hillary Clinton by the MSM in the presidential election. Never again! I deleted all MSM sources from my computers, phones, and tablets. The headlines were the only justification I needed. It is a lonelier world and I get through the day’s events more quickly … but then I have more time for the Unz Review.

    WaPo and the NYT … may you rest in peace!

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    I was aware of corporate agendas in the MSM, but I was still shocked at the naked proselytizing for Hillary Clinton by the MSM in the presidential election. Never again! I deleted all MSM sources from my computers, phones, and tablets.
     
    I was increasingly less shocked as the campaign ran on. Perhaps a bit taken aback by the sheer voraciousness of the Clintonite press, but upon reflection, recognized the predictability of it, after all.

    It's simple to have a snapshot of MSM lies for a quick skim -- Google News is a skype digest. Can't top it for summary coverage of the MSM B.S. du jour. Yahoo, too, although Yahoo is more focused on building the power of national faggotry.
    , @No_0ne
    "I would add RT to the list."
    No media outlet is objective. That said, sources with a different slant can be useful, not just for an alternative perspective, but (especially) when they cover events ignored by our establishment media. How many Westerners know what happened on Odessa in 2014?
  16. @Anatoly Karlin
    Re-content expansion plans: With JayMan's dormancy, the chilling of Peter Frost, and now the departure of Razib Khan, could I make a nomination or two?

    * hbd*chick - Probably the person who did more than anyone else to popularize the Hajnal Line and the effects of consanguinity on personality. Excellent candidate to replace JayMan.

    * James Thompson - An academic at UCL who runs one of the world's best blogs on psychometrics. Would be a very solid replacement for Peter Frost.

    Unfortunately, I can really think of any good replacement for Razib Khan. The sphere in which he works is very interesting, dynamic, and I suspect quite lucrative, but it is also quite politicized. On that note:

    Since these Tweets are in the public domain, I hope I'm not being too untowards in posting them. Please note that I don't mean to imply anything myself.

    https://twitter.com/ras_nielsen/status/799419845305507840

    https://twitter.com/lpachter/status/780460790977433600

    All the people in the above Tweets appear to be active in genomics. Again, just pointing out some features of interest and possibly coincidences, not implying absolutely anything myself. If you wish to propose your own hypotheses that is up to you.

    So Skypes said to Khan, “Jump!” and Khan, after a brief show of resistance, said, “How high?”

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    Who resists the skypes and PC actively ? More or less Alt-Right/alt-Lite people. For most other people, especially non anomymous folks who just want to live their life, there is not enough upside to publically standing up to the orthodoxy. At this point in time. I think that Razib resisted amazingly long and associated with "risky" people and sites for a very, very long time.
  17. As an excellent example of this broader project, a couple of days ago I incorporated the previously published writings of Dr. Stephen J. Sniegoski, a corpus of controversial historical and political analysis that comes to well over 250,000 words.

    Interesting to note that Dr Sniegoski has no Wikipedia article, or at any rate none that comes up with a simple search for his name. Rather remarkable given some of the people and things that do have articles of their own.

    Anyone have any ideas why that might be?

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    • Replies: @utu
    Sniegoski was probably the first who wrote a comprehensive article on neoconservatives. It preceded Buchanan's 2003 article in American Conservative.
    , @Almost Missouri
    The Wikipedia editors are part of the media establishment.
    , @ogunsiron
    Maybe there was an article at some point and then it got deleted ? Deletionpedia is blocked here so I can't check.
  18. And in my private conversations, a couple of knowledgeable attendees suggested to me that the reason for the continued media silence was Henry Kissinger, age 93 but still enormously influential in elite circles, whose likely role at the absolute center of the cover-up prevented the truth from coming out; but once he finally left the scene, a mammoth national scandal would no longer be kept hidden by our lapdog media.

    Governments and ruling classes are very well aware that justice delayed is justice denied.

    However, such an endorsement of fearlessness and credibility counts for something, and I’ll henceforth try to keep their names in mind.

    Absolutely, and congratulations are in order for your own work here.

    Darker times are coming, I believe, and it will only get harder to maintain such principles in the face of the pressure that will be brought to bear.

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  19. I consider it quite a privilege to be one of the original Deplorables, a member in good standing here at The Unz Review.

    “We’ve stood like this just waiting for their arrows to blacken the skies;
    many times before, and we will again, God willing;
    I am honoured to have served alongside men who inspire defiance;
    sometimes I tire of the fighting, and the killing;
    we are survivors, the ones left behind;
    defenders of The Legacy, the last of our kind.”

    - The Darkness, “Last of Our Kind”

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  20. One only wonders how long it will take before government efforts to ensure Truthiness result in unz.com being sidelined and marginalized in searches.

    Presumably link sharing will still be permitted in the glorious future, so there’s that.

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  21. @Randal

    As an excellent example of this broader project, a couple of days ago I incorporated the previously published writings of Dr. Stephen J. Sniegoski, a corpus of controversial historical and political analysis that comes to well over 250,000 words.
     
    Interesting to note that Dr Sniegoski has no Wikipedia article, or at any rate none that comes up with a simple search for his name. Rather remarkable given some of the people and things that do have articles of their own.

    Anyone have any ideas why that might be?

    Sniegoski was probably the first who wrote a comprehensive article on neoconservatives. It preceded Buchanan’s 2003 article in American Conservative.

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    • Replies: @Randal
    A figure of some historical significance, then, in US political terms.
  22. Dr. Stephen J. Sniegoski, a corpus of controversial historical and political analysis that comes to well over 250,000 words.

    When you add contributors in the future, can we get someone that will provide balance against the Nazi apologists?

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    • Replies: @John Jeremiah Smith

    When you add contributors in the future, can we get someone that will provide balance against the Nazi apologists?
     
    Not necessary, my good man. Your stellar performance in carrying the battle to the very capital of Nazi lies, evil, inhumanity, um ... I'd better get more coffee ... has hurled the foe back onto it's mad-dog haunches. Excelsior!! Next year, in Jerusalem! Shalom, bruvver!
    , @Randal

    When you add contributors in the future, can we get someone that will provide balance against the Nazi apologists?
     
    Almost the entirety of the mainstream media plus numerous specialist sites not willing to buck the general taboo not enough for you, then?
    , @Anon
    Okay, I know I said I wouldn't say any more on this topic.

    But reading the rest of this thread, I noticed that Mr. Unz does actually read these comments, and respond to those which pose questions to him deserving of a response.

    So why don't you do this:

    If you think (to shamelessly steal from the masthead of this site) that interesting, important, or controversial anti-Nazi perspectives exist that are largely excluded from the mainstream media, feel free to recommend them.
     
    and see what response you get?

    No argument, just advice.
  23. @Ron Unz

    Ron, speaking of software issues, have you noticed the current bug with the next article in a series not being hyperlinked?
     
    Fixed. It's basically a caching problem but the expiration lifetimes right now are probably set too long.

    Thanks!

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  24. Razib Khan won’t be missed. Insufferable arrogant and useless blogger. Godless capitalist was the brains between these two.

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  25. Thanks for everything!

    Great to have the Sniegoski archive. Here he boils it down to 11 minutes -

    Stephen Sniegoski: Neoconservatives and the Iraq War

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  26. @iffen
    Well, I hope you are satisfied with destroying democracy.

    From NBC's First Read


    How it all delegitimizes the media and democracy

    There's one more consequence to the rants, feuds, and conspiracy theories: They end up delegitimizing the media -- and the country's democracy. Think about it: Every time Trump claims, without substantiation, that millions voted illegally, and every time the news media call him out for it, that only delegitimizes the media among Trump's supporters. And then when the same media write and cover Trump's conflicts of interests (or policy proposals or anything else), those same supporters won't believe a word of it. Will the media be alone in this challenge? Or will members of BOTH parties decide that what's happening to two key institutions -- the press and the vote -- is worth fighting for?
     

    I read this as saying, "If you don't listen to us and accept our interpretations, you are going to destroy democracy."

    I think that if I was failing and drowning, I would try and wrap myself in the life raft of democracy too.

    Your last point reminds me of the Dr Johnson line, “Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.”

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  27. Ron, this seems like a reasonable place to mention that in the past couple of days the ability to move backwards and forwards through posts by directional labels at the top and bottom of blog-posts has become only the ability to move backwards, no longer forwards.

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    Again, it seems to have been a caching problem, that I've now fixed. The problem should be gone by tomorrow once the caches have refreshed.
  28. @David
    Ron, this seems like a reasonable place to mention that in the past couple of days the ability to move backwards and forwards through posts by directional labels at the top and bottom of blog-posts has become only the ability to move backwards, no longer forwards.

    Again, it seems to have been a caching problem, that I’ve now fixed. The problem should be gone by tomorrow once the caches have refreshed.

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    • Replies: @John Jeremiah Smith
    Ron, while you're "fixing", would you fix the default behavior post-pushing of the Agree button to return the user to the post being Agreed upon, rather than to the top of the page? Danke.
  29. @5371
    Good riddance to Khan, consistently dull and self-important.

    Khan won’t be missed here either. He was notoriously incapable of tolerating dissent.

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    • Replies: @David
    Razib was a poser, pretending to knowledge by vague and "knowing" allusion.

    He was a lazy and disrespectful writer.

    He lied about himself, never able to remember, for example, if he read Clan of the Cave Bear in ten hours when he was five or five hours when he was ten.

    His understandable self-loathing made him a jerk. Hopefully no decent human being's career ever depends on cooperating with him.
  30. From the article, regarding the blacklist:

    the only common thread I can find is that the writers tend to be critical of the political establishment

    Accurate and pretty much says it all. Over time, and with luck (and some fighting) the MSM will matter less and less.

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  31. @Randal

    As an excellent example of this broader project, a couple of days ago I incorporated the previously published writings of Dr. Stephen J. Sniegoski, a corpus of controversial historical and political analysis that comes to well over 250,000 words.
     
    Interesting to note that Dr Sniegoski has no Wikipedia article, or at any rate none that comes up with a simple search for his name. Rather remarkable given some of the people and things that do have articles of their own.

    Anyone have any ideas why that might be?

    The Wikipedia editors are part of the media establishment.

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    The Wikipedia editors are part of the media establishment.
     
    They certainly seem pretty much in line with the globalist/social liberal US sphere establishment, and fairly well committed to supporting US sphere political taboos.
  32. John Jeremiah Smith [AKA "MCPO USN"] says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Anatoly Karlin
    Re-content expansion plans: With JayMan's dormancy, the chilling of Peter Frost, and now the departure of Razib Khan, could I make a nomination or two?

    * hbd*chick - Probably the person who did more than anyone else to popularize the Hajnal Line and the effects of consanguinity on personality. Excellent candidate to replace JayMan.

    * James Thompson - An academic at UCL who runs one of the world's best blogs on psychometrics. Would be a very solid replacement for Peter Frost.

    Unfortunately, I can really think of any good replacement for Razib Khan. The sphere in which he works is very interesting, dynamic, and I suspect quite lucrative, but it is also quite politicized. On that note:

    Since these Tweets are in the public domain, I hope I'm not being too untowards in posting them. Please note that I don't mean to imply anything myself.

    https://twitter.com/ras_nielsen/status/799419845305507840

    https://twitter.com/lpachter/status/780460790977433600

    All the people in the above Tweets appear to be active in genomics. Again, just pointing out some features of interest and possibly coincidences, not implying absolutely anything myself. If you wish to propose your own hypotheses that is up to you.

    All the people in the above Tweets appear to be active in genomics.

    Possibly, you’ve noticed how everyone gripes about the weather, but nobody does anything about it? With respect to genetics and the tacit irrelevance of HBD “theory”, the globe has a burgeoning population growth that is out of control, and means the ultimate undoing of human civilization. Yet, large groups of fools focus on some form of the idiocy of tuning human genetics. Go figure.

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  33. John Jeremiah Smith [AKA "MCPO USN"] says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @iffen
    Dr. Stephen J. Sniegoski, a corpus of controversial historical and political analysis that comes to well over 250,000 words.

    When you add contributors in the future, can we get someone that will provide balance against the Nazi apologists?

    When you add contributors in the future, can we get someone that will provide balance against the Nazi apologists?

    Not necessary, my good man. Your stellar performance in carrying the battle to the very capital of Nazi lies, evil, inhumanity, um … I’d better get more coffee … has hurled the foe back onto it’s mad-dog haunches. Excelsior!! Next year, in Jerusalem! Shalom, bruvver!

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    • Replies: @BenKenobi
    I gotta say, Master Chief, I really like the cut of your jib.

    I'm surprised I don't see you in the iSteve blog more often.

    Regardless, much respect from this retired Canadian infantry Corporal.
  34. John Jeremiah Smith [AKA "MCPO USN"] says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @TheJester
    Your list of prefered news sources is similar to mine. I would add RT to the list. Yes, RT is funded by Putin's government, but the Russians learned a good lesson from their Soviet predecessors: In fronting propaganda, always says what it true ... or, you are too easily found out. Our own MSM are such primitives that they have not yet learned that simple lesson (perhaps we should call them victims of the Facebook syndrome ... sites and sources where people come to gossip rather than be informed).

    I was aware of corporate agendas in the MSM, but I was still shocked at the naked proselytizing for Hillary Clinton by the MSM in the presidential election. Never again! I deleted all MSM sources from my computers, phones, and tablets. The headlines were the only justification I needed. It is a lonelier world and I get through the day's events more quickly ... but then I have more time for the Unz Review.

    WaPo and the NYT ... may you rest in peace!

    I was aware of corporate agendas in the MSM, but I was still shocked at the naked proselytizing for Hillary Clinton by the MSM in the presidential election. Never again! I deleted all MSM sources from my computers, phones, and tablets.

    I was increasingly less shocked as the campaign ran on. Perhaps a bit taken aback by the sheer voraciousness of the Clintonite press, but upon reflection, recognized the predictability of it, after all.

    It’s simple to have a snapshot of MSM lies for a quick skim — Google News is a skype digest. Can’t top it for summary coverage of the MSM B.S. du jour. Yahoo, too, although Yahoo is more focused on building the power of national faggotry.

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  35. @iffen
    Dr. Stephen J. Sniegoski, a corpus of controversial historical and political analysis that comes to well over 250,000 words.

    When you add contributors in the future, can we get someone that will provide balance against the Nazi apologists?

    When you add contributors in the future, can we get someone that will provide balance against the Nazi apologists?

    Almost the entirety of the mainstream media plus numerous specialist sites not willing to buck the general taboo not enough for you, then?

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    not enough for you, then

    Not really, most of those sources remain unaware of certain realities, or if they are aware, spend a lot of time distorting or covering up. IMO, Unz would be a better site if the Nazis did not have such a free run of the place. It seems to be going in the wrong direction very quickly and Razib's leaving just highlights it.
  36. @Almost Missouri
    The Wikipedia editors are part of the media establishment.

    The Wikipedia editors are part of the media establishment.

    They certainly seem pretty much in line with the globalist/social liberal US sphere establishment, and fairly well committed to supporting US sphere political taboos.

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  37. @utu
    Sniegoski was probably the first who wrote a comprehensive article on neoconservatives. It preceded Buchanan's 2003 article in American Conservative.

    A figure of some historical significance, then, in US political terms.

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  38. I was very proud to see that the Washington Post included The Review in the official list of America’s major “Fake News” Russian propaganda websites…

    Around 1960, the Washington Post said Cuba would not become a satellite for the Soviet Union. Nothing fake about that, so they have a pretty good level of accuracy on Russian related topics. You better be careful, Ron…you’re dealing with experts.

    http://reason.com/archives/2007/02/28/fidels-favorite-propagandist/

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  39. @Randal

    When you add contributors in the future, can we get someone that will provide balance against the Nazi apologists?
     
    Almost the entirety of the mainstream media plus numerous specialist sites not willing to buck the general taboo not enough for you, then?

    not enough for you, then

    Not really, most of those sources remain unaware of certain realities, or if they are aware, spend a lot of time distorting or covering up. IMO, Unz would be a better site if the Nazis did not have such a free run of the place. It seems to be going in the wrong direction very quickly and Razib’s leaving just highlights it.

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    Frank discussion of the reality of Jewish power is hardly Nazism.

    It's the race-is-an-explanation-for-everything simpletons who drag the site down.
    , @Randal
    I can see why Nazis (I assume by that you probably mean race-based anti-Semites, rather than members of some approximate politico-economic or social modern equivalent of the early C20th German party to which that term originally referred) would be a particular concern for you, but personally I like to hear from any and every group that is marginalised, suppressed and censored in most of the US sphere's media and discussion outlets, including Nazis, whether I agree with them or not on any particular issue. As for Nazis themselves, just as with communists, greenies, islamist radicals, Zionists, American nationalists and all the other such groups arguing their perspectives, I find I agree with some of their points but disagree with others.

    I certainly don't see how more actively opposing such a marginalised and fringe group would help unz.com to promote "Perspectives Largely Excluded from the American Mainstream Media".
  40. @Jus' Sayin'...
    I am sorry to see Razib Khan is leaving the Unz Review. His Unz "column" was always one of the places to which I'd refer people who expressed a sincere desire to learn something about modern discoveries in human genetics and related issues.

    Apropos, the latest MSM scam, "fake news", I enjoy pointing out to the individuals who try to propagate this gem that:

    (1) One of the reasons they were so shocked by the results of this recent election is that they were ignorant and ill-informed and the reason they were ignorant and ill-informed is that they were ill-served by the MSM and all their other "news" sources.

    (2) Everyone I knew who either relied on or considered "fake news" sources knew damn well the election would be close and most suspected that Trump would squeak to victory.

    (3) Two weeks before the election I predicted in public and in a verifiable that way we would see MSM commentators openly crying on election night and that my fulfilled prediction tells us two things: (a) These people are ignorant fools; and (b) They were completely and corruptly in the tank for Clinton.

    (4) My sole sources for "news" at the moment are (a) the Unz Review; (2) the Drudge Report; (3) VDare.Com; (4) Taki's Magazine; and (5) NPR [to check what the crazies are telling us to believe]; (6) Boston.Com for local news; and (6) Fox TV News for local news. And as a result I am much better informed than they on most current issues. I'm happy to accept challenges on this latter score and fact checking on the internet almost invariably confirms my take on local events versus theirs.

    I then suggest that these victims of the MSM read both Unz and Drudge on a regular basis and compare what they learn with both the official MSM narrative and also what finally seems to be the truth.

    I warn them -- particularly my Jewish and Zionist friends -- that they will be upset -- sometimes rightfully so -- by some of what they read in Unz and Drudge but an honest appraisal will ultimately lead them to the conclusion that they get a far better picture of reality from these "fake news" sources than say the WaPo, NYT, LAT, BosGlob, WSJ, NPR, ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, BBS, CBS, etc., etc.

    My advice is to challenge all victims of the MSM to do the same.

    I was heartened to see sticker on the back of a transit van in Inverness this afternoon with the following message: ‘Is that true or did you hear it on the BBC?

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  41. @Kyle McKenna
    Khan won't be missed here either. He was notoriously incapable of tolerating dissent.

    Razib was a poser, pretending to knowledge by vague and “knowing” allusion.

    He was a lazy and disrespectful writer.

    He lied about himself, never able to remember, for example, if he read Clan of the Cave Bear in ten hours when he was five or five hours when he was ten.

    His understandable self-loathing made him a jerk. Hopefully no decent human being’s career ever depends on cooperating with him.

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    He started out as a cheerleader for the attaq on Iraq. That's all you need to know.
  42. anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @iffen
    not enough for you, then

    Not really, most of those sources remain unaware of certain realities, or if they are aware, spend a lot of time distorting or covering up. IMO, Unz would be a better site if the Nazis did not have such a free run of the place. It seems to be going in the wrong direction very quickly and Razib's leaving just highlights it.

    Frank discussion of the reality of Jewish power is hardly Nazism.

    It’s the race-is-an-explanation-for-everything simpletons who drag the site down.

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    • Replies: @iffen
    Frank discussion of the reality of Jewish power is hardly Nazism.

    I am not talking about discussion of Jewish power. That is acceptable and I don't mind joining in at times. Although, I do have a question about some people who don't seem to have any topic in mind other than Jews.

    I am talking about the actual Nazism.

  43. @5371
    So Skypes said to Khan, "Jump!" and Khan, after a brief show of resistance, said, "How high?"

    Who resists the skypes and PC actively ? More or less Alt-Right/alt-Lite people. For most other people, especially non anomymous folks who just want to live their life, there is not enough upside to publically standing up to the orthodoxy. At this point in time. I think that Razib resisted amazingly long and associated with “risky” people and sites for a very, very long time.

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  44. @Randal

    As an excellent example of this broader project, a couple of days ago I incorporated the previously published writings of Dr. Stephen J. Sniegoski, a corpus of controversial historical and political analysis that comes to well over 250,000 words.
     
    Interesting to note that Dr Sniegoski has no Wikipedia article, or at any rate none that comes up with a simple search for his name. Rather remarkable given some of the people and things that do have articles of their own.

    Anyone have any ideas why that might be?

    Maybe there was an article at some point and then it got deleted ? Deletionpedia is blocked here so I can’t check.

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  45. @anonymous
    Frank discussion of the reality of Jewish power is hardly Nazism.

    It's the race-is-an-explanation-for-everything simpletons who drag the site down.

    Frank discussion of the reality of Jewish power is hardly Nazism.

    I am not talking about discussion of Jewish power. That is acceptable and I don’t mind joining in at times. Although, I do have a question about some people who don’t seem to have any topic in mind other than Jews.

    I am talking about the actual Nazism.

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    • Replies: @Anon
    Do we have any Nazi or Nazi apologist contributors here at Unz? I can't think of any.

    Among all our columnists, I can imagine someone thinking of Mr. Buchanan as a Nazi defender, since he argues that WWII was unnecessary, but such thinking would be false; much like arguing that anyone against the Afghan war is a Taliban defender.

    Or are you suggesting Dr. Sniegoski is a Nazi apologist? I don't see anything to support that.

    There are definitely Nazi commenters here, but there are also anti-Nazi commenters who will argue with them, sometimes unto the thousandth comment.

    I'm not sure how exactly one would add a columnist to counterbalance Nazism. I think it would be interesting to have a Fascist (as in, not Nazi) perspective on economic events, but I don't think such exists, unfortunately. There are already several Jewish columnists here (not to mention our host), and Ms. Mercer (I think) and a few others are pro-Israel, not that that has much to do with Nazism. Swelling the ranks of anti-Nazis, we also have a few communists who seem to drop in infrequently. I'm not sure the site would benefit much from having the debate over National Socialism dragged from the comments into the articles.

    , @SolontoCroesus
    How curious that you object to discussion of "actual Nazism."

    It seems Hollywood and cable teevee channels can't get enough of Nazism.

    Just a few days ago the first five of a ten-part series on Hitler & Nazism, produced by a British outfit, maybe BBC, was aired on US cable systems.

    Hollywood seems to be keenly interested in the topic.

    At one very large public library system, a search for "Nazism" produced 92 hits. The majority of the books were written by Jewish authors.

    On the other hand, that same library system does not hold Gerd Schultze-Rhonhof's work
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBLgZAv_Iqo

    1939: The War that had Many Fathers

    which tells the story from a German perspective.

    I wonder why that is.
    An honest history must explore all sides of the story, lest it take the wrong lessons, and devise disastrous policies based on the wrong information.
    GIGO
    Inasmuch as it's obvious that US foreign policy is a disaster, it seems reasonable to conclude that the wrong lessons have been learned; the wrong policies have been drafted, thus it seems apparent that the historical data upon which the policies were based, are fundamentally distorted.
  46. @TheJester
    Your list of prefered news sources is similar to mine. I would add RT to the list. Yes, RT is funded by Putin's government, but the Russians learned a good lesson from their Soviet predecessors: In fronting propaganda, always says what it true ... or, you are too easily found out. Our own MSM are such primitives that they have not yet learned that simple lesson (perhaps we should call them victims of the Facebook syndrome ... sites and sources where people come to gossip rather than be informed).

    I was aware of corporate agendas in the MSM, but I was still shocked at the naked proselytizing for Hillary Clinton by the MSM in the presidential election. Never again! I deleted all MSM sources from my computers, phones, and tablets. The headlines were the only justification I needed. It is a lonelier world and I get through the day's events more quickly ... but then I have more time for the Unz Review.

    WaPo and the NYT ... may you rest in peace!

    “I would add RT to the list.”
    No media outlet is objective. That said, sources with a different slant can be useful, not just for an alternative perspective, but (especially) when they cover events ignored by our establishment media. How many Westerners know what happened on Odessa in 2014?

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  47. Thanks to Hillary and her zombie Democrats Unz.com gets record traffic. Kind of hilarious! And zombie IQ is very low.
    They hate Russia and Vlad Putin because he is the most macho white guy on this planet ruling an essentially white nation. He puts the stupid Fem ruled European nations like Germany and Sweden to shame. All the male Euro-leaders too.

    Also because Bad Vlad is a Russian nationalist and not into any NWO crap. He is not into globalization in the least.

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  48. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @iffen
    Frank discussion of the reality of Jewish power is hardly Nazism.

    I am not talking about discussion of Jewish power. That is acceptable and I don't mind joining in at times. Although, I do have a question about some people who don't seem to have any topic in mind other than Jews.

    I am talking about the actual Nazism.

    Do we have any Nazi or Nazi apologist contributors here at Unz? I can’t think of any.

    Among all our columnists, I can imagine someone thinking of Mr. Buchanan as a Nazi defender, since he argues that WWII was unnecessary, but such thinking would be false; much like arguing that anyone against the Afghan war is a Taliban defender.

    Or are you suggesting Dr. Sniegoski is a Nazi apologist? I don’t see anything to support that.

    There are definitely Nazi commenters here, but there are also anti-Nazi commenters who will argue with them, sometimes unto the thousandth comment.

    I’m not sure how exactly one would add a columnist to counterbalance Nazism. I think it would be interesting to have a Fascist (as in, not Nazi) perspective on economic events, but I don’t think such exists, unfortunately. There are already several Jewish columnists here (not to mention our host), and Ms. Mercer (I think) and a few others are pro-Israel, not that that has much to do with Nazism. Swelling the ranks of anti-Nazis, we also have a few communists who seem to drop in infrequently. I’m not sure the site would benefit much from having the debate over National Socialism dragged from the comments into the articles.

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    Anyone who disturbs an SJW's safe space is a Nazi.

    https://twitter.com/akarlin88/status/634625922612596736
    , @iffen
    Do we have any Nazi or Nazi apologist contributors here at Unz?

    Let me walk that wording back and change it to Nazi fellow travelers. Fellow traveler covers everyone that I have in mind.

    can imagine someone thinking of Mr. Buchanan as a Nazi defender, since he argues that WWII was unnecessary

    Yes, if one argues that WWII was unnecessary, you are going to need a host of angels surrounding you to protect you from the obvious.

    Do we have any Nazi or Nazi apologist contributors here at Unz?

    Why did AK pop in with an obfuscating comment about Nazis?

    Or are you suggesting Dr. Sniegoski is a Nazi apologist? I don’t see anything to support that.

    One can look at the hearty welcome from [[[certain]]] commenters to get a general idea. I read his review of Mahl’s book and he fully establishes his fellow traveler status.

    I’m not sure how exactly one would add a columnist to counterbalance Nazism.

    How about a scholarly type whose focus of study is the refutation of Holocaust Denial propaganda?

    and a few others are pro-Israel, not that that has much to do with Nazism.

    Right, Israel has nothing to do with Nazism. That’s not even apples and oranges, more like apples and rocks.

    I’m not sure the site would benefit much from having the debate over National Socialism dragged from the comments into the articles.

    Yeah, I am not really surprised that you would think that.

  49. @Anon
    Do we have any Nazi or Nazi apologist contributors here at Unz? I can't think of any.

    Among all our columnists, I can imagine someone thinking of Mr. Buchanan as a Nazi defender, since he argues that WWII was unnecessary, but such thinking would be false; much like arguing that anyone against the Afghan war is a Taliban defender.

    Or are you suggesting Dr. Sniegoski is a Nazi apologist? I don't see anything to support that.

    There are definitely Nazi commenters here, but there are also anti-Nazi commenters who will argue with them, sometimes unto the thousandth comment.

    I'm not sure how exactly one would add a columnist to counterbalance Nazism. I think it would be interesting to have a Fascist (as in, not Nazi) perspective on economic events, but I don't think such exists, unfortunately. There are already several Jewish columnists here (not to mention our host), and Ms. Mercer (I think) and a few others are pro-Israel, not that that has much to do with Nazism. Swelling the ranks of anti-Nazis, we also have a few communists who seem to drop in infrequently. I'm not sure the site would benefit much from having the debate over National Socialism dragged from the comments into the articles.

    Anyone who disturbs an SJW’s safe space is a Nazi.

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    • Agree: Randal
    • Replies: @Olorin
    When I read comments like the above ("Karlin's going full-on neo-Nazi"), I can't restrain myself from reading the phonemes as I would any others.

    First, I translate "Nazi" into "national socialist" and recall who coined the term Nazi and why.

    Then I observe "neo-Nazi," which I somehow always associate with FBI provocateurs noodging a "march" in Skokie, IL, maybe three decades ago now. (It was an odd moment of political theatre.)

    Then I see "full-on," and wonder what the diff is between a "full-on" "neo" "Nazi" and, say, a part-on one, or a 3/4-on retro-Nazi, or a 12% crypto-Nazi, and so on.

    This all fortunately crosses the neurons in the space of a second or two before my parsimony filters dismiss the whole thing as PC-babble designed to demand Sieg Heils from others in a show of power and belonging.

    That this sort of signalling has any credibility whatever bears strong testimony to how degenerate the prog left has become since Dem elites took it over in 1999. I can't even say I know what "Nazi" is, since in my lifetime of fittysomething years, the topic has never been discussed rationally and openly, with questions from the class allowed. Even my parents, who lived through all that and otherwise were generally open minded and rational, welcoming of questions on any topic, got uncharacteristically reactionary on the topic. I learned not to ask or to think. I think that's probably the intent.

  50. @John Jeremiah Smith

    When you add contributors in the future, can we get someone that will provide balance against the Nazi apologists?
     
    Not necessary, my good man. Your stellar performance in carrying the battle to the very capital of Nazi lies, evil, inhumanity, um ... I'd better get more coffee ... has hurled the foe back onto it's mad-dog haunches. Excelsior!! Next year, in Jerusalem! Shalom, bruvver!

    I gotta say, Master Chief, I really like the cut of your jib.

    I’m surprised I don’t see you in the iSteve blog more often.

    Regardless, much respect from this retired Canadian infantry Corporal.

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    I’m surprised I don’t see you in the iSteve blog more often.
     
    Sailer is a multifaceted industry, and much of it doesn't interest me -- movie reviews, in particular, are not something that a respectable man does, imo. But, he puts up something of interest from time to time.
  51. @David
    Razib was a poser, pretending to knowledge by vague and "knowing" allusion.

    He was a lazy and disrespectful writer.

    He lied about himself, never able to remember, for example, if he read Clan of the Cave Bear in ten hours when he was five or five hours when he was ten.

    His understandable self-loathing made him a jerk. Hopefully no decent human being's career ever depends on cooperating with him.

    He started out as a cheerleader for the attaq on Iraq. That’s all you need to know.

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  52. @John Jeremiah Smith

    All the people in the above Tweets appear to be active in genomics.
     
    Possibly, you've noticed how everyone gripes about the weather, but nobody does anything about it? With respect to genetics and the tacit irrelevance of HBD "theory", the globe has a burgeoning population growth that is out of control, and means the ultimate undoing of human civilization. Yet, large groups of fools focus on some form of the idiocy of tuning human genetics. Go figure.

    Excellent comment.

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  53. Thank you Ron for The Unz Review. Perhaps those who created the list missed this Q & A:

    Does The Unz Review stand behind all the controversial claims made in the articles it publishes?

    Absolutely not! In any event, that would be a logical impossibility, since so many of the writers and their arguments directly contradict one another.

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  54. From Propornot:
    …An outlet must consistently and over time meet the full range of our criteria in order to qualify. We are happy to remove any that do not, and we welcome the opportunity to engage with anyone involved in order to constructively move forward.

    If you have any questions, or run an outlet which you feel has been unfairly categorized, please contact us.
    We are happy to remove any outlet whose operators understand how Putin’s Russia is a brutal authoritarian kleptocracy that uses “fake news” as online propaganda, and resolves to help do something about it.

    For example, any outlet that has used a lot of Russia Today and Sputnik News content, but resolves to stop doing so, is going to be removed from this list.

    (…)

    List v0.0.6: Initial Release
    List v0.0.7:
    Removed following constructive conversations with outlet operators: aanirfan.blogspot.co.uk, abovetopsecret.com, counterpunch.org, nutritionfacts.org, russia-direct.org
    Added: 4thmedia.org, nsnbc.me, presstv.com, theunhivedmind.com, sana.sy

    http://www.propornot.com/p/the-list.html

    Dear Mr.Unz, an inquirable bored identity would like to know:

    1. What kind of Counterpuncher begs for “We are happy to remove any outlet”
    withdrawal from the PropOrNot Honor Roll?

    2. What kind of Tell the Facts/Name the Names Counterpuncher agrees to constructive conversations and clandestine set of rules established by the anonymous entity without any kind of transparency and public disclosure ( financing, authors,methodology, ownership and leadership structure…) whose pretense is of working on behalf of the US public interest and ” to encourage readers to think critically about the media they encounter”?

    3. Are you going to counterpunch directly St. Clair, Whitney, and Frank with these unpleasantries, and learn firsthand what was the bargain price during the constructive conversations to be “We are happy to remove any outlet” abolished by mysterious Agitpropbusters ?

    4. Do you think that, in the name of public interest, you should maybe make an announcement to UR followers about Counterpunchers’ shameful appeasement?

    Bonus :

    https://www.roguemoney.net/stories/2016/12/1/propornotpushingbackvslibel

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    • Replies: @John Jeremiah Smith
    Propornot is so conceitedly self-obsessed as to be laughable. Such a collection of bullshit artists is easy to find -- Propornot is just a variation on attempts at attention-getting. Pathetic little weasels. I do not wish them luck.
    , @Randal

    Removed following constructive conversations with outlet operators: aanirfan.blogspot.co.uk, abovetopsecret.com, counterpunch.org, nutritionfacts.org, russia-direct.org
     
    That must count as a public mark of shame for the outlets named, and certainly one would think an organisation such as counterpunch.org, which makes plenty of noise about accountability, integrity, etc, would be eager to explain how it managed to appease an outfit like propornot and to publish the private communications involved in achieving such an apparently shameful kowtow.

    This ought to be highlighted more prominently. Counterpunch users ought to be aware of what kind of organisation they are dealing with.
    , @RudyM
    People associated with Counterpunch have denied PropOrNot's characterization of the exchange:

    PropOrNot has been eager to get sites to contact them to engage in “constructive conversation,” as they suggested in Reddit that it would be just peachy if TruthDig “were to reach out to us, though, we would probably have a constructive conversation with them that would result in their removal!”

    In other words, PropOrNot, contrary to its claims of merely providing analysis, is seeking to act as a censor. In corporate-speak, “constructive conversation” is the sort of thing one has with an employee who is being put on warning for possible termination.

    Counterpunch disputed PropOrNot’s characterization of their, um, exchange. From editor Jeffrey St. Clair’s diary:

    ProporNot has since removed CounterPunch from their blacklist following our demand that they do so and issue a retraction. Their site now claims, falsely again, that we engaged in “constructive conversation” with them, which is a curious way to describe a threat to sue them, a threat which we fully intend to follow through on, hopefully in concert with other media outlets they’ve defamed.

    Counterpunch, per Josh Frank’s article, did have a few additional words with PropOrNot, the result of having to deal with a situation that ought to be seen as absurd but nevertheless requires handling. Frank reproduces this howler from “The PropOrNot Team”:

    If Truthout, Truthdig, Antiwar, BlackAgendaReport, etc, were to reach out to us like you did, things might well end up playing out very similarly to how this one has! We’ve asked people to do that on our site. Several have. Others have not.

    This is a pretty bizarre effort to depict how PropOrNot capitulated as if it were PropOrNot getting an outcome it sought. As St. Clair said by e-mail:

    Josh’s letter simply demanded removal from the list and a retraction. There was nothing at all “constructive” about the dialogue, except how quickly they wilted.

    But as Frank’s post describes, PropOrNot went to peculiar lengths to recharacterize what happened, with the effect of digging their hole deeper. Again from PropOrNot:

    If someone contacts us and the resulting conversation makes clear that they understand, for example, how Putin’s Russia is a revisionist authoritarian wannabe-imperialist kleptocracy that uses ‘fake news’ as online propaganda, then we have a lot of common ground. That factors into our understanding of the merits, but more importantly, becomes a basis for constructive movement forward.

    As Frank comments:

    Huh? That isn’t very sound methodology if you ask me, more like a shallow smear campaign manufactured by amateurs. PropOrNot will consider taking these sites off their blacklist, not based on the sites’ content but on whether or not they contacted PropOrNot directly and if “they understand” Putin is a bad hombre?
     

    http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2016/12/propornots-grandiose-fabrications.html
  55. In much the same way that the ‘aphorisms’ – hacker, hacked. leaked or ‘wiki-anything’ have come to denote things worthy of the instant suspension of belief or a modernized definition of ‘mortal sin’, the new gold standard of informational iconoclasm is to label something ‘fake news’.

    Isn’t “Faux News” still a major US broadcaster? And haven’t billions been spent since 9/11,on a new ‘information industry’ , to ‘shape the narrative’ of our times?

    I’m with the ‘hippies’: “It’s ALL horseshit!, man”

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  56. @Anon
    Do we have any Nazi or Nazi apologist contributors here at Unz? I can't think of any.

    Among all our columnists, I can imagine someone thinking of Mr. Buchanan as a Nazi defender, since he argues that WWII was unnecessary, but such thinking would be false; much like arguing that anyone against the Afghan war is a Taliban defender.

    Or are you suggesting Dr. Sniegoski is a Nazi apologist? I don't see anything to support that.

    There are definitely Nazi commenters here, but there are also anti-Nazi commenters who will argue with them, sometimes unto the thousandth comment.

    I'm not sure how exactly one would add a columnist to counterbalance Nazism. I think it would be interesting to have a Fascist (as in, not Nazi) perspective on economic events, but I don't think such exists, unfortunately. There are already several Jewish columnists here (not to mention our host), and Ms. Mercer (I think) and a few others are pro-Israel, not that that has much to do with Nazism. Swelling the ranks of anti-Nazis, we also have a few communists who seem to drop in infrequently. I'm not sure the site would benefit much from having the debate over National Socialism dragged from the comments into the articles.

    Do we have any Nazi or Nazi apologist contributors here at Unz?

    Let me walk that wording back and change it to Nazi fellow travelers. Fellow traveler covers everyone that I have in mind.

    can imagine someone thinking of Mr. Buchanan as a Nazi defender, since he argues that WWII was unnecessary

    Yes, if one argues that WWII was unnecessary, you are going to need a host of angels surrounding you to protect you from the obvious.

    Do we have any Nazi or Nazi apologist contributors here at Unz?

    Why did AK pop in with an obfuscating comment about Nazis?

    Or are you suggesting Dr. Sniegoski is a Nazi apologist? I don’t see anything to support that.

    One can look at the hearty welcome from [[[certain]]] commenters to get a general idea. I read his review of Mahl’s book and he fully establishes his fellow traveler status.

    I’m not sure how exactly one would add a columnist to counterbalance Nazism.

    How about a scholarly type whose focus of study is the refutation of Holocaust Denial propaganda?

    and a few others are pro-Israel, not that that has much to do with Nazism.

    Right, Israel has nothing to do with Nazism. That’s not even apples and oranges, more like apples and rocks.

    I’m not sure the site would benefit much from having the debate over National Socialism dragged from the comments into the articles.

    Yeah, I am not really surprised that you would think that.

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    Yeah, I've read Sniegoski's review of Mahl too. He doesn't say anything substantially different from our gracious host in his review, which I've also read. He adds a not-really-relevant condemnation of Zionists, but that is beside the point.

    I'm not sure how one can be a fellow-traveler of a regime that ceased to exist 70 years ago. That train isn't exactly leaving the station anytime soon.

    OK, maybe an article on Holocaust denialism would be a good idea. Why don't you go find one and submit it to Mr. Unz's consideration? They are not difficult to find. Or ask one of our authors to write one? To reiterate, I do not think this is a bad idea. What I don't see is making it a series.

    Why should you be surprised at an opinion of someone of whom you've never heard?

    To put things another way, a way perhaps more congenial to you, discussing whether the Nazi regime was good or not in the articles gives such a discussion legitimacy. I happen to think such a discussion is pointless. It will not change the opinion of the (very few) neo-Nazis in the comment sections, nor are they likely to convince anyone else. If you think (to shamelessly steal from the masthead of this site) that interesting, important, or controversial anti-Nazi perspectives exist that are largely excluded from the mainstream media, feel free to recommend them.
    , @Anatoly Karlin

    Why did AK pop in with an obfuscating comment about Nazis?
     
    Please insinuate moar.
  57. John Jeremiah Smith [AKA "MCPO USN"] says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @BenKenobi
    I gotta say, Master Chief, I really like the cut of your jib.

    I'm surprised I don't see you in the iSteve blog more often.

    Regardless, much respect from this retired Canadian infantry Corporal.

    I’m surprised I don’t see you in the iSteve blog more often.

    Sailer is a multifaceted industry, and much of it doesn’t interest me — movie reviews, in particular, are not something that a respectable man does, imo. But, he puts up something of interest from time to time.

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  58. John Jeremiah Smith [AKA "MCPO USN"] says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @bored identity




    From Propornot:
    ...An outlet must consistently and over time meet the full range of our criteria in order to qualify. We are happy to remove any that do not, and we welcome the opportunity to engage with anyone involved in order to constructively move forward.

    If you have any questions, or run an outlet which you feel has been unfairly categorized, please contact us.
    We are happy to remove any outlet whose operators understand how Putin's Russia is a brutal authoritarian kleptocracy that uses "fake news" as online propaganda, and resolves to help do something about it.

    For example, any outlet that has used a lot of Russia Today and Sputnik News content, but resolves to stop doing so, is going to be removed from this list.

    (...)


    List v0.0.6: Initial Release
    List v0.0.7:
    Removed following constructive conversations with outlet operators: aanirfan.blogspot.co.uk, abovetopsecret.com, counterpunch.org, nutritionfacts.org, russia-direct.org
    Added: 4thmedia.org, nsnbc.me, presstv.com, theunhivedmind.com, sana.sy

    http://www.propornot.com/p/the-list.html

     

    Dear Mr.Unz, an inquirable bored identity would like to know:

    1. What kind of Counterpuncher begs for "We are happy to remove any outlet"
    withdrawal from the PropOrNot Honor Roll?

    2. What kind of Tell the Facts/Name the Names Counterpuncher agrees to constructive conversations and clandestine set of rules established by the anonymous entity without any kind of transparency and public disclosure ( financing, authors,methodology, ownership and leadership structure...) whose pretense is of working on behalf of the US public interest and " to encourage readers to think critically about the media they encounter"?

    3. Are you going to counterpunch directly St. Clair, Whitney, and Frank with these unpleasantries, and learn firsthand what was the bargain price during the constructive conversations to be "We are happy to remove any outlet" abolished by mysterious Agitpropbusters ?

    4. Do you think that, in the name of public interest, you should maybe make an announcement to UR followers about Counterpunchers' shameful appeasement?


    Bonus :
    https://www.roguemoney.net/stories/2016/12/1/propornotpushingbackvslibel

    Propornot is so conceitedly self-obsessed as to be laughable. Such a collection of bullshit artists is easy to find — Propornot is just a variation on attempts at attention-getting. Pathetic little weasels. I do not wish them luck.

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  59. John Jeremiah Smith [AKA "MCPO USN"] says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Ron Unz
    Again, it seems to have been a caching problem, that I've now fixed. The problem should be gone by tomorrow once the caches have refreshed.

    Ron, while you’re “fixing”, would you fix the default behavior post-pushing of the Agree button to return the user to the post being Agreed upon, rather than to the top of the page? Danke.

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    Ron, while you’re “fixing”, would you fix the default behavior post-pushing of the Agree button to return the user to the post being Agreed upon, rather than to the top of the page?
     
    It's now been added.
  60. @bored identity




    From Propornot:
    ...An outlet must consistently and over time meet the full range of our criteria in order to qualify. We are happy to remove any that do not, and we welcome the opportunity to engage with anyone involved in order to constructively move forward.

    If you have any questions, or run an outlet which you feel has been unfairly categorized, please contact us.
    We are happy to remove any outlet whose operators understand how Putin's Russia is a brutal authoritarian kleptocracy that uses "fake news" as online propaganda, and resolves to help do something about it.

    For example, any outlet that has used a lot of Russia Today and Sputnik News content, but resolves to stop doing so, is going to be removed from this list.

    (...)


    List v0.0.6: Initial Release
    List v0.0.7:
    Removed following constructive conversations with outlet operators: aanirfan.blogspot.co.uk, abovetopsecret.com, counterpunch.org, nutritionfacts.org, russia-direct.org
    Added: 4thmedia.org, nsnbc.me, presstv.com, theunhivedmind.com, sana.sy

    http://www.propornot.com/p/the-list.html

     

    Dear Mr.Unz, an inquirable bored identity would like to know:

    1. What kind of Counterpuncher begs for "We are happy to remove any outlet"
    withdrawal from the PropOrNot Honor Roll?

    2. What kind of Tell the Facts/Name the Names Counterpuncher agrees to constructive conversations and clandestine set of rules established by the anonymous entity without any kind of transparency and public disclosure ( financing, authors,methodology, ownership and leadership structure...) whose pretense is of working on behalf of the US public interest and " to encourage readers to think critically about the media they encounter"?

    3. Are you going to counterpunch directly St. Clair, Whitney, and Frank with these unpleasantries, and learn firsthand what was the bargain price during the constructive conversations to be "We are happy to remove any outlet" abolished by mysterious Agitpropbusters ?

    4. Do you think that, in the name of public interest, you should maybe make an announcement to UR followers about Counterpunchers' shameful appeasement?


    Bonus :
    https://www.roguemoney.net/stories/2016/12/1/propornotpushingbackvslibel

    Removed following constructive conversations with outlet operators: aanirfan.blogspot.co.uk, abovetopsecret.com, counterpunch.org, nutritionfacts.org, russia-direct.org

    That must count as a public mark of shame for the outlets named, and certainly one would think an organisation such as counterpunch.org, which makes plenty of noise about accountability, integrity, etc, would be eager to explain how it managed to appease an outfit like propornot and to publish the private communications involved in achieving such an apparently shameful kowtow.

    This ought to be highlighted more prominently. Counterpunch users ought to be aware of what kind of organisation they are dealing with.

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    If the constructive conversation consisted in Counterpunch threatening them with a lawsuit, I suppose it's all good.
  61. @iffen
    not enough for you, then

    Not really, most of those sources remain unaware of certain realities, or if they are aware, spend a lot of time distorting or covering up. IMO, Unz would be a better site if the Nazis did not have such a free run of the place. It seems to be going in the wrong direction very quickly and Razib's leaving just highlights it.

    I can see why Nazis (I assume by that you probably mean race-based anti-Semites, rather than members of some approximate politico-economic or social modern equivalent of the early C20th German party to which that term originally referred) would be a particular concern for you, but personally I like to hear from any and every group that is marginalised, suppressed and censored in most of the US sphere’s media and discussion outlets, including Nazis, whether I agree with them or not on any particular issue. As for Nazis themselves, just as with communists, greenies, islamist radicals, Zionists, American nationalists and all the other such groups arguing their perspectives, I find I agree with some of their points but disagree with others.

    I certainly don’t see how more actively opposing such a marginalised and fringe group would help unz.com to promote “Perspectives Largely Excluded from the American Mainstream Media”.

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    “Perspectives Largely Excluded from the American Mainstream Media”.

    It is question of balance and emphasis. Looking at the political spectrum from left to right, we can see that most of the articles from the perspective of the right published here would not be published by the MSM. Most of the left perspective articles or facsimiles published here are representative of the MSM view. So you have MSM type leftist articles opposed to right wing articles that are only published by dedicated right wing sites and publishers.

    Look at this current article by Rebecca Gordon. One commenter pointed out that she is associated with Black Lives Matter people. Not only do people like that have plenty of articles published in the MSM, BLM is pretty much a creation of the MSM. Look at her comments. Of the 95 comments, about 90 of them are highly critical (as in you are vermin.) Unz says that he likes his comment section, but that comment section shares the belief that not only is Gordon vermin, she is completely out of place at Unz. How did 90 of 95 commenters get that idea? Unz needs a better balance of political perspectives. When “new” people come to the site, they need to see information that they don’t get elsewhere that sets them to thinking and wondering what else they have not been told. They don’t need to leave the site wondering if it is somehow connected to those WNs and Nazis that they have been hearing about from the MSM.
  62. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @iffen
    Do we have any Nazi or Nazi apologist contributors here at Unz?

    Let me walk that wording back and change it to Nazi fellow travelers. Fellow traveler covers everyone that I have in mind.

    can imagine someone thinking of Mr. Buchanan as a Nazi defender, since he argues that WWII was unnecessary

    Yes, if one argues that WWII was unnecessary, you are going to need a host of angels surrounding you to protect you from the obvious.

    Do we have any Nazi or Nazi apologist contributors here at Unz?

    Why did AK pop in with an obfuscating comment about Nazis?

    Or are you suggesting Dr. Sniegoski is a Nazi apologist? I don’t see anything to support that.

    One can look at the hearty welcome from [[[certain]]] commenters to get a general idea. I read his review of Mahl’s book and he fully establishes his fellow traveler status.

    I’m not sure how exactly one would add a columnist to counterbalance Nazism.

    How about a scholarly type whose focus of study is the refutation of Holocaust Denial propaganda?

    and a few others are pro-Israel, not that that has much to do with Nazism.

    Right, Israel has nothing to do with Nazism. That’s not even apples and oranges, more like apples and rocks.

    I’m not sure the site would benefit much from having the debate over National Socialism dragged from the comments into the articles.

    Yeah, I am not really surprised that you would think that.

    Yeah, I’ve read Sniegoski’s review of Mahl too. He doesn’t say anything substantially different from our gracious host in his review, which I’ve also read. He adds a not-really-relevant condemnation of Zionists, but that is beside the point.

    I’m not sure how one can be a fellow-traveler of a regime that ceased to exist 70 years ago. That train isn’t exactly leaving the station anytime soon.

    OK, maybe an article on Holocaust denialism would be a good idea. Why don’t you go find one and submit it to Mr. Unz’s consideration? They are not difficult to find. Or ask one of our authors to write one? To reiterate, I do not think this is a bad idea. What I don’t see is making it a series.

    Why should you be surprised at an opinion of someone of whom you’ve never heard?

    To put things another way, a way perhaps more congenial to you, discussing whether the Nazi regime was good or not in the articles gives such a discussion legitimacy. I happen to think such a discussion is pointless. It will not change the opinion of the (very few) neo-Nazis in the comment sections, nor are they likely to convince anyone else. If you think (to shamelessly steal from the masthead of this site) that interesting, important, or controversial anti-Nazi perspectives exist that are largely excluded from the mainstream media, feel free to recommend them.

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    • Replies: @iffen
    I’m not sure how one can be a fellow-traveler of a regime

    Political thought by whatever name.

    What I don’t see is making it a series.

    A series would not be required, just and occasional article to counteract the accusation that Unz is some sort of anti-Semitic platform.

    Why should you be surprised at an opinion of someone of whom you’ve never heard?

    From what you wrote, feigned ignorance of a connection between Nazism and Israel, for example.

    I happen to think such a discussion is pointless.

    I disagree. Who, and who isn’t a Nazi seems to be taking up a lot of space in the MSM and the alternatives, like Unz, for example.
  63. @Anon
    Yeah, I've read Sniegoski's review of Mahl too. He doesn't say anything substantially different from our gracious host in his review, which I've also read. He adds a not-really-relevant condemnation of Zionists, but that is beside the point.

    I'm not sure how one can be a fellow-traveler of a regime that ceased to exist 70 years ago. That train isn't exactly leaving the station anytime soon.

    OK, maybe an article on Holocaust denialism would be a good idea. Why don't you go find one and submit it to Mr. Unz's consideration? They are not difficult to find. Or ask one of our authors to write one? To reiterate, I do not think this is a bad idea. What I don't see is making it a series.

    Why should you be surprised at an opinion of someone of whom you've never heard?

    To put things another way, a way perhaps more congenial to you, discussing whether the Nazi regime was good or not in the articles gives such a discussion legitimacy. I happen to think such a discussion is pointless. It will not change the opinion of the (very few) neo-Nazis in the comment sections, nor are they likely to convince anyone else. If you think (to shamelessly steal from the masthead of this site) that interesting, important, or controversial anti-Nazi perspectives exist that are largely excluded from the mainstream media, feel free to recommend them.

    I’m not sure how one can be a fellow-traveler of a regime

    Political thought by whatever name.

    What I don’t see is making it a series.

    A series would not be required, just and occasional article to counteract the accusation that Unz is some sort of anti-Semitic platform.

    Why should you be surprised at an opinion of someone of whom you’ve never heard?

    From what you wrote, feigned ignorance of a connection between Nazism and Israel, for example.

    I happen to think such a discussion is pointless.

    I disagree. Who, and who isn’t a Nazi seems to be taking up a lot of space in the MSM and the alternatives, like Unz, for example.

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    This discussion is getting tiresome, and this will be my last comment on the matter.

    This is Merriam-Webster's definition of a fellow-traveler:


    a person who sympathizes with and often furthers the ideals and program of an organized group (as the Communist party) without membership in the group or regular participation in its activities; broadly : a sympathetic supporter of another's cause
     
    If the "organized group" is taken to mean the Nazi party, I do not see any evidence that Mr. Buchanan or Dr. Sniegoski sympathize with it or share its ideals. Nor can they be furthering its program, since it has no program, having not existed for 70 years. The program of any current neo-Nazi party can hardly, I imagine, be summarized in the phrase "Why die for Danzig?". It would be foolish to associate Mr. Buchanan or Dr. Sniegoski with any such party.

    Anyone who thinks the Unz Review is some kind of anti-Semitic platform is an idiot and should be treated accordingly.

    What "feigned ignorance of a connection between Nazism and Israel" is is beyond me, being a phrase so ambiguous as to defy interpretation. My implication in initially mentioning the existence of pro-Israeli columnists on this site is that they are not likely to be anti-Jewish, nor, by extension, pro-Nazi. I am aware that some very few early Zionists were pro-Nazi, if that is what you accuse me of feigning ignorance of, but this no bearing on the modern day and age. I mentioned communists as well, with the analogous implication.

    I direct you to "Randal"'s excellent comment #64 for a summary of my views on the topic, which seem to coincide with his.

  64. Mr. Unz,

    I have serious doubts that VDARE should be categorized as a “racialist” venue.

    If I am wrong about this, please someone correct me, but please follow my reasoning.

    VDARE, from what I gathered from reading the site for some time (I don’t read it as often lately), is stricly concerned with the issue of immigration, being an advocate for immigration shutdown or, at least, reduction.

    The United States has a large population of African Americans and European Americans, without mentioning other groups which contribute with smaller percentages of the total population. How can simply advocating against the undeterred influx of foreigners into a diverse nation such as yours be considered as tantamount to being ‘racialist’?

    Among the contributors to VDARE is one at least who belongs to a minority group (Michelle Malkin, whose parents are Philipino).

    Perhaps some of the contributors to VDARE include race among their concerns, but it seems that this is the case with some of the contributors to The Unz Review as well (Steve Sailer, John Derbyshire are the ones who come to mind, and they either contribute to VDARE also or have done so in the past).

    If your point is not to have The Unz Review be categorized wrongly, it is important that you do not commit an analogous mistake regarding others.

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    Doesn't Vdare proclaim that the name of their site is taken from that of the first white person born in America?
  65. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @iffen
    I’m not sure how one can be a fellow-traveler of a regime

    Political thought by whatever name.

    What I don’t see is making it a series.

    A series would not be required, just and occasional article to counteract the accusation that Unz is some sort of anti-Semitic platform.

    Why should you be surprised at an opinion of someone of whom you’ve never heard?

    From what you wrote, feigned ignorance of a connection between Nazism and Israel, for example.

    I happen to think such a discussion is pointless.

    I disagree. Who, and who isn’t a Nazi seems to be taking up a lot of space in the MSM and the alternatives, like Unz, for example.

    This discussion is getting tiresome, and this will be my last comment on the matter.

    This is Merriam-Webster’s definition of a fellow-traveler:

    a person who sympathizes with and often furthers the ideals and program of an organized group (as the Communist party) without membership in the group or regular participation in its activities; broadly : a sympathetic supporter of another’s cause

    If the “organized group” is taken to mean the Nazi party, I do not see any evidence that Mr. Buchanan or Dr. Sniegoski sympathize with it or share its ideals. Nor can they be furthering its program, since it has no program, having not existed for 70 years. The program of any current neo-Nazi party can hardly, I imagine, be summarized in the phrase “Why die for Danzig?”. It would be foolish to associate Mr. Buchanan or Dr. Sniegoski with any such party.

    Anyone who thinks the Unz Review is some kind of anti-Semitic platform is an idiot and should be treated accordingly.

    What “feigned ignorance of a connection between Nazism and Israel” is is beyond me, being a phrase so ambiguous as to defy interpretation. My implication in initially mentioning the existence of pro-Israeli columnists on this site is that they are not likely to be anti-Jewish, nor, by extension, pro-Nazi. I am aware that some very few early Zionists were pro-Nazi, if that is what you accuse me of feigning ignorance of, but this no bearing on the modern day and age. I mentioned communists as well, with the analogous implication.

    I direct you to “Randal”‘s excellent comment #64 for a summary of my views on the topic, which seem to coincide with his.

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    • Replies: @iffen
    If the “organized group” is taken to mean the Nazi party

    Do you actually think it would be called the American Chapter of Adolph Hitler's Nazi Party?

    if that is what you accuse me of feigning ignorance of

    No Nazi Germany, no Israel, it's that simple.
  66. @John Jeremiah Smith
    Ron, while you're "fixing", would you fix the default behavior post-pushing of the Agree button to return the user to the post being Agreed upon, rather than to the top of the page? Danke.

    Ron, while you’re “fixing”, would you fix the default behavior post-pushing of the Agree button to return the user to the post being Agreed upon, rather than to the top of the page?

    It’s now been added.

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    • Replies: @Elsewhere
    Since you're doing that, would it be possible to make it so that posting a new post does not reload the page/reset the timestamp in the cookie?

    I'd like to be able to post without the highlighting changing of the articles I haven't read yet because they are furthewww.unz.compublish=Publish Comment
    , @Elsewhere
    If you can do that, is it possible to make it so that posting doesn't reset the highlighting of unread posts? I often want to comment on a post as I read, but then I lose the highlighting of all the posts further down that I haven't read yet.
  67. @iffen
    Frank discussion of the reality of Jewish power is hardly Nazism.

    I am not talking about discussion of Jewish power. That is acceptable and I don't mind joining in at times. Although, I do have a question about some people who don't seem to have any topic in mind other than Jews.

    I am talking about the actual Nazism.

    How curious that you object to discussion of “actual Nazism.”

    It seems Hollywood and cable teevee channels can’t get enough of Nazism.

    Just a few days ago the first five of a ten-part series on Hitler & Nazism, produced by a British outfit, maybe BBC, was aired on US cable systems.

    Hollywood seems to be keenly interested in the topic.

    At one very large public library system, a search for “Nazism” produced 92 hits. The majority of the books were written by Jewish authors.

    On the other hand, that same library system does not hold Gerd Schultze-Rhonhof’s work

    1939: The War that had Many Fathers

    which tells the story from a German perspective.

    I wonder why that is.
    An honest history must explore all sides of the story, lest it take the wrong lessons, and devise disastrous policies based on the wrong information.
    GIGO
    Inasmuch as it’s obvious that US foreign policy is a disaster, it seems reasonable to conclude that the wrong lessons have been learned; the wrong policies have been drafted, thus it seems apparent that the historical data upon which the policies were based, are fundamentally distorted.

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  68. @Randal
    I can see why Nazis (I assume by that you probably mean race-based anti-Semites, rather than members of some approximate politico-economic or social modern equivalent of the early C20th German party to which that term originally referred) would be a particular concern for you, but personally I like to hear from any and every group that is marginalised, suppressed and censored in most of the US sphere's media and discussion outlets, including Nazis, whether I agree with them or not on any particular issue. As for Nazis themselves, just as with communists, greenies, islamist radicals, Zionists, American nationalists and all the other such groups arguing their perspectives, I find I agree with some of their points but disagree with others.

    I certainly don't see how more actively opposing such a marginalised and fringe group would help unz.com to promote "Perspectives Largely Excluded from the American Mainstream Media".

    “Perspectives Largely Excluded from the American Mainstream Media”.

    It is question of balance and emphasis. Looking at the political spectrum from left to right, we can see that most of the articles from the perspective of the right published here would not be published by the MSM. Most of the left perspective articles or facsimiles published here are representative of the MSM view. So you have MSM type leftist articles opposed to right wing articles that are only published by dedicated right wing sites and publishers.

    Look at this current article by Rebecca Gordon. One commenter pointed out that she is associated with Black Lives Matter people. Not only do people like that have plenty of articles published in the MSM, BLM is pretty much a creation of the MSM. Look at her comments. Of the 95 comments, about 90 of them are highly critical (as in you are vermin.) Unz says that he likes his comment section, but that comment section shares the belief that not only is Gordon vermin, she is completely out of place at Unz. How did 90 of 95 commenters get that idea? Unz needs a better balance of political perspectives. When “new” people come to the site, they need to see information that they don’t get elsewhere that sets them to thinking and wondering what else they have not been told. They don’t need to leave the site wondering if it is somehow connected to those WNs and Nazis that they have been hearing about from the MSM.

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  69. @Anon
    This discussion is getting tiresome, and this will be my last comment on the matter.

    This is Merriam-Webster's definition of a fellow-traveler:


    a person who sympathizes with and often furthers the ideals and program of an organized group (as the Communist party) without membership in the group or regular participation in its activities; broadly : a sympathetic supporter of another's cause
     
    If the "organized group" is taken to mean the Nazi party, I do not see any evidence that Mr. Buchanan or Dr. Sniegoski sympathize with it or share its ideals. Nor can they be furthering its program, since it has no program, having not existed for 70 years. The program of any current neo-Nazi party can hardly, I imagine, be summarized in the phrase "Why die for Danzig?". It would be foolish to associate Mr. Buchanan or Dr. Sniegoski with any such party.

    Anyone who thinks the Unz Review is some kind of anti-Semitic platform is an idiot and should be treated accordingly.

    What "feigned ignorance of a connection between Nazism and Israel" is is beyond me, being a phrase so ambiguous as to defy interpretation. My implication in initially mentioning the existence of pro-Israeli columnists on this site is that they are not likely to be anti-Jewish, nor, by extension, pro-Nazi. I am aware that some very few early Zionists were pro-Nazi, if that is what you accuse me of feigning ignorance of, but this no bearing on the modern day and age. I mentioned communists as well, with the analogous implication.

    I direct you to "Randal"'s excellent comment #64 for a summary of my views on the topic, which seem to coincide with his.

    If the “organized group” is taken to mean the Nazi party

    Do you actually think it would be called the American Chapter of Adolph Hitler’s Nazi Party?

    if that is what you accuse me of feigning ignorance of

    No Nazi Germany, no Israel, it’s that simple.

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    Israel is a great country, a fantastic place - it's terrific! If you're unhappy maybe you should go back.
  70. Mr. Unz,

    I have a second questioning, again concerning VDARE.

    Is the designation “alt-right” applied by you to that venue an adequate one?

    I ask this in all humility, admitting upfront that it is possible that the entire cadre of VDARE be made of “rightwing” writers. I just do not follow it closely enough to state in all certainty that this is the case.

    But, even so, I should point out that its primary concern is the adoption of a rational immigration policy for the United States (and, perhaps, extensive to other countries).

    A famous leftwing essayist and activist named Donald A. Collins contributed regularly to VDARE at least up until march of this year. (I haven’t found anything by him from a later date). He is a staunch supporter of population control, and it just makes sense for him to be against unbridled immigration. He is also a fierce critic of the Catholic Church and an outspoken defender of the right for abortion.

    Does the fact that he has stopped (if he has in fact stopped) writing for VDARE allow one to brand VDARE as “alt-right”?

    Of course, there is a difference between the malicious branding of The Unz Review as “Russian propaganda” and your own possibly problematic branding of VDARE as “alt-right” and “racialist”. Or is there?

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    I have a second questioning, again concerning VDARE.

    Is the designation “alt-right” applied by you to that venue an adequate one?

    I ask this in all humility, admitting upfront that it is possible that the entire cadre of VDARE be made of “rightwing” writers. I just do not follow it closely enough to state in all certainty that this is the case.
     
    Well, I try to avoid getting involved in comment threads, but I suppose I'll make an exception.

    (1) The term "Alt-Right" is not precisely defined, but I'd say the vast majority of observers would put VDare in the Alt-Right, though probably towards its softer end. For example, the big Alt-Right conference by Richard Spencer/NPI in DC that generated all media controversy had three leading speakers besides Spencer himself: Jared Taylor, Kevin MacDonald, and Peter Brimelow, all regarded as leading luminaries of the Alt-Right.

    (2) Offhand, I'd say that about 90-95% of VDare's writers are rightwingers or extreme rightwingers, and consequently virtually everyone considers VDare to be a very rightwing webzine, far to the right of e.g. Breitbart.com let alone National Review. They may also publish a small number of anti-immigration activists who happen to be Democrats or otherwise consider themselves non-rightwingers, such as that Collins fellow you mention, but no one in the world outside VDare has ever heard of any of them. Similarly, Republican/conservative conferences invariably have black Republican conservatives in leading speaking roles even though such indiviudals represent the views of approximately 0% of actual blacks.

    (3) Long, long ago, much of the anti-immigration sentiment in America was along economic grounds and often drew from unions and the Left. But for various reasons, that almost entirely died off a generation or two ago. I've been heavily involved in immigration issues for over 25 years, and during that entire period I'd estimate that roughly 85-90% of energetic anti-immigration activists have been motivated by racial issues, though many of them go to great efforts to conceal this for PeeCee reasons.

    As a thought-experiment, if the bulk of today's immigrants were coming from Europe instead of Latin America, Asia, and Africa, I'd think that virtually all anti-immigration activism would completely disappear. It's certainly true that many of those activists would still oppose heavy immigration on economic or environmental grounds, but it would go from being their #1 or #2 issue to being more like #27. Ironically enough, there might be the growth of a small but noticeable anti-immigration movement among liberals and Democrats and the Left, so that any residual anti-immigration activism would probably be dominated by the Left.
  71. @Brás Cubas
    Mr. Unz,

    I have a second questioning, again concerning VDARE.

    Is the designation "alt-right" applied by you to that venue an adequate one?

    I ask this in all humility, admitting upfront that it is possible that the entire cadre of VDARE be made of "rightwing" writers. I just do not follow it closely enough to state in all certainty that this is the case.

    But, even so, I should point out that its primary concern is the adoption of a rational immigration policy for the United States (and, perhaps, extensive to other countries).

    A famous leftwing essayist and activist named Donald A. Collins contributed regularly to VDARE at least up until march of this year. (I haven't found anything by him from a later date). He is a staunch supporter of population control, and it just makes sense for him to be against unbridled immigration. He is also a fierce critic of the Catholic Church and an outspoken defender of the right for abortion.

    Does the fact that he has stopped (if he has in fact stopped) writing for VDARE allow one to brand VDARE as "alt-right"?

    Of course, there is a difference between the malicious branding of The Unz Review as "Russian propaganda" and your own possibly problematic branding of VDARE as "alt-right" and "racialist". Or is there?

    I have a second questioning, again concerning VDARE.

    Is the designation “alt-right” applied by you to that venue an adequate one?

    I ask this in all humility, admitting upfront that it is possible that the entire cadre of VDARE be made of “rightwing” writers. I just do not follow it closely enough to state in all certainty that this is the case.

    Well, I try to avoid getting involved in comment threads, but I suppose I’ll make an exception.

    (1) The term “Alt-Right” is not precisely defined, but I’d say the vast majority of observers would put VDare in the Alt-Right, though probably towards its softer end. For example, the big Alt-Right conference by Richard Spencer/NPI in DC that generated all media controversy had three leading speakers besides Spencer himself: Jared Taylor, Kevin MacDonald, and Peter Brimelow, all regarded as leading luminaries of the Alt-Right.

    (2) Offhand, I’d say that about 90-95% of VDare’s writers are rightwingers or extreme rightwingers, and consequently virtually everyone considers VDare to be a very rightwing webzine, far to the right of e.g. Breitbart.com let alone National Review. They may also publish a small number of anti-immigration activists who happen to be Democrats or otherwise consider themselves non-rightwingers, such as that Collins fellow you mention, but no one in the world outside VDare has ever heard of any of them. Similarly, Republican/conservative conferences invariably have black Republican conservatives in leading speaking roles even though such indiviudals represent the views of approximately 0% of actual blacks.

    (3) Long, long ago, much of the anti-immigration sentiment in America was along economic grounds and often drew from unions and the Left. But for various reasons, that almost entirely died off a generation or two ago. I’ve been heavily involved in immigration issues for over 25 years, and during that entire period I’d estimate that roughly 85-90% of energetic anti-immigration activists have been motivated by racial issues, though many of them go to great efforts to conceal this for PeeCee reasons.

    As a thought-experiment, if the bulk of today’s immigrants were coming from Europe instead of Latin America, Asia, and Africa, I’d think that virtually all anti-immigration activism would completely disappear. It’s certainly true that many of those activists would still oppose heavy immigration on economic or environmental grounds, but it would go from being their #1 or #2 issue to being more like #27. Ironically enough, there might be the growth of a small but noticeable anti-immigration movement among liberals and Democrats and the Left, so that any residual anti-immigration activism would probably be dominated by the Left.

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    As a thought-experiment, if the bulk of today’s immigrants were coming from Europe instead of Latin America, Asia, and Africa, I’d think that virtually all anti-immigration activism would completely disappear.
     
    IOW, you do not believe that the hordes of illegals flooding the country and the welfare system are a burden? You think "Whoopee! Let's have more?"

    No, people don't hate immigrants because they're black, hispanic, or Asian. It's because there's too damn many of them and no checks are in place on this touted "checks and balances" system America is supposed to have. We cannot support the inrush of the hordes. Working Americans cannot continue to provide welfare for people who are imported as a benefit for the rich.

    Enough! Stop!!
    , @bored identity
    Greetings, Mr. Unz.
    I wish you exercised that exceptionalism on a couple of questions that I had in regard to the
    depreciation in integrity of a certain alternative news outlet* whose columnists have a perenial presence on UR.


    * Used to piously read late Cockburn's column some twenty years ago.....but nowadays would rather have a beer with David Mamet than Robert Fisk.
    , @Brás Cubas
    Thank you for your response. I have just read VDARE's statement of principles, and have to say that, based on that statement, you are not necessarily wrong in the first of your categorizations ("racialist"). As for the second one, your explanation is perfectly acceptable, and the only remaining controversy is that which is intrinsic to that label.

    I only have to disagree with one thing: it is not true that no one outside VDARE ever heard of Donald A. Collins. He writes regularly for the Church and State website (churchandstate.org.uk). He is very good, by the way.
  72. John Jeremiah Smith [AKA "MCPO USN"] says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @SolontoCroesus
    How curious that you object to discussion of "actual Nazism."

    It seems Hollywood and cable teevee channels can't get enough of Nazism.

    Just a few days ago the first five of a ten-part series on Hitler & Nazism, produced by a British outfit, maybe BBC, was aired on US cable systems.

    Hollywood seems to be keenly interested in the topic.

    At one very large public library system, a search for "Nazism" produced 92 hits. The majority of the books were written by Jewish authors.

    On the other hand, that same library system does not hold Gerd Schultze-Rhonhof's work
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBLgZAv_Iqo

    1939: The War that had Many Fathers

    which tells the story from a German perspective.

    I wonder why that is.
    An honest history must explore all sides of the story, lest it take the wrong lessons, and devise disastrous policies based on the wrong information.
    GIGO
    Inasmuch as it's obvious that US foreign policy is a disaster, it seems reasonable to conclude that the wrong lessons have been learned; the wrong policies have been drafted, thus it seems apparent that the historical data upon which the policies were based, are fundamentally distorted.

    Is that Frank Drebbin?

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  73. John Jeremiah Smith [AKA "MCPO USN"] says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Ron Unz

    I have a second questioning, again concerning VDARE.

    Is the designation “alt-right” applied by you to that venue an adequate one?

    I ask this in all humility, admitting upfront that it is possible that the entire cadre of VDARE be made of “rightwing” writers. I just do not follow it closely enough to state in all certainty that this is the case.
     
    Well, I try to avoid getting involved in comment threads, but I suppose I'll make an exception.

    (1) The term "Alt-Right" is not precisely defined, but I'd say the vast majority of observers would put VDare in the Alt-Right, though probably towards its softer end. For example, the big Alt-Right conference by Richard Spencer/NPI in DC that generated all media controversy had three leading speakers besides Spencer himself: Jared Taylor, Kevin MacDonald, and Peter Brimelow, all regarded as leading luminaries of the Alt-Right.

    (2) Offhand, I'd say that about 90-95% of VDare's writers are rightwingers or extreme rightwingers, and consequently virtually everyone considers VDare to be a very rightwing webzine, far to the right of e.g. Breitbart.com let alone National Review. They may also publish a small number of anti-immigration activists who happen to be Democrats or otherwise consider themselves non-rightwingers, such as that Collins fellow you mention, but no one in the world outside VDare has ever heard of any of them. Similarly, Republican/conservative conferences invariably have black Republican conservatives in leading speaking roles even though such indiviudals represent the views of approximately 0% of actual blacks.

    (3) Long, long ago, much of the anti-immigration sentiment in America was along economic grounds and often drew from unions and the Left. But for various reasons, that almost entirely died off a generation or two ago. I've been heavily involved in immigration issues for over 25 years, and during that entire period I'd estimate that roughly 85-90% of energetic anti-immigration activists have been motivated by racial issues, though many of them go to great efforts to conceal this for PeeCee reasons.

    As a thought-experiment, if the bulk of today's immigrants were coming from Europe instead of Latin America, Asia, and Africa, I'd think that virtually all anti-immigration activism would completely disappear. It's certainly true that many of those activists would still oppose heavy immigration on economic or environmental grounds, but it would go from being their #1 or #2 issue to being more like #27. Ironically enough, there might be the growth of a small but noticeable anti-immigration movement among liberals and Democrats and the Left, so that any residual anti-immigration activism would probably be dominated by the Left.

    As a thought-experiment, if the bulk of today’s immigrants were coming from Europe instead of Latin America, Asia, and Africa, I’d think that virtually all anti-immigration activism would completely disappear.

    IOW, you do not believe that the hordes of illegals flooding the country and the welfare system are a burden? You think “Whoopee! Let’s have more?”

    No, people don’t hate immigrants because they’re black, hispanic, or Asian. It’s because there’s too damn many of them and no checks are in place on this touted “checks and balances” system America is supposed to have. We cannot support the inrush of the hordes. Working Americans cannot continue to provide welfare for people who are imported as a benefit for the rich.

    Enough! Stop!!

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    • Replies: @RobinG
    Why are you conflating legal and illegal immigrants? Mr. Unz did not do that.

    Legal immigrants must meet educational requirements. They are not on "welfare" (which apparently no longer exists), they're pursuing middle class careers, often in occupations designated by the INS. For a long time nursing was the choice of Africans, and pharmacists from all over the world filled a perceived shortage here. Now I hear it's computer techies.**

    The illegals are another thing entirely, but Americans have gotten used to spending a relatively small percentage of their income on food, which is why Bush the Younger thought we needed a 'guest worker' program.

    **This year we replaced our water heater. The company (father and son native white Americans that we've used for 50 years) sent a Latino crew. They didn't speak much English, but did an excellent job.
  74. @Jus' Sayin'...
    I am sorry to see Razib Khan is leaving the Unz Review. His Unz "column" was always one of the places to which I'd refer people who expressed a sincere desire to learn something about modern discoveries in human genetics and related issues.

    Apropos, the latest MSM scam, "fake news", I enjoy pointing out to the individuals who try to propagate this gem that:

    (1) One of the reasons they were so shocked by the results of this recent election is that they were ignorant and ill-informed and the reason they were ignorant and ill-informed is that they were ill-served by the MSM and all their other "news" sources.

    (2) Everyone I knew who either relied on or considered "fake news" sources knew damn well the election would be close and most suspected that Trump would squeak to victory.

    (3) Two weeks before the election I predicted in public and in a verifiable that way we would see MSM commentators openly crying on election night and that my fulfilled prediction tells us two things: (a) These people are ignorant fools; and (b) They were completely and corruptly in the tank for Clinton.

    (4) My sole sources for "news" at the moment are (a) the Unz Review; (2) the Drudge Report; (3) VDare.Com; (4) Taki's Magazine; and (5) NPR [to check what the crazies are telling us to believe]; (6) Boston.Com for local news; and (6) Fox TV News for local news. And as a result I am much better informed than they on most current issues. I'm happy to accept challenges on this latter score and fact checking on the internet almost invariably confirms my take on local events versus theirs.

    I then suggest that these victims of the MSM read both Unz and Drudge on a regular basis and compare what they learn with both the official MSM narrative and also what finally seems to be the truth.

    I warn them -- particularly my Jewish and Zionist friends -- that they will be upset -- sometimes rightfully so -- by some of what they read in Unz and Drudge but an honest appraisal will ultimately lead them to the conclusion that they get a far better picture of reality from these "fake news" sources than say the WaPo, NYT, LAT, BosGlob, WSJ, NPR, ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, BBS, CBS, etc., etc.

    My advice is to challenge all victims of the MSM to do the same.

    You should add EconomicPolicyJournal to your list, and lewrockwell.com.

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  75. @Ron Unz

    Ron, while you’re “fixing”, would you fix the default behavior post-pushing of the Agree button to return the user to the post being Agreed upon, rather than to the top of the page?
     
    It's now been added.

    Since you’re doing that, would it be possible to make it so that posting a new post does not reload the page/reset the timestamp in the cookie?

    I’d like to be able to post without the highlighting changing of the articles I haven’t read yet because they are furthewww.unz.compublish=Publish Comment

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  76. @Ron Unz

    Ron, while you’re “fixing”, would you fix the default behavior post-pushing of the Agree button to return the user to the post being Agreed upon, rather than to the top of the page?
     
    It's now been added.

    If you can do that, is it possible to make it so that posting doesn’t reset the highlighting of unread posts? I often want to comment on a post as I read, but then I lose the highlighting of all the posts further down that I haven’t read yet.

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    • Replies: @Ron Unz

    If you can do that, is it possible to make it so that posting doesn’t reset the highlighting of unread posts? I often want to comment on a post as I read, but then I lose the highlighting of all the posts further down that I haven’t read yet.
     
    That's very odd---it should already be keeping the blue-tinting of unread comments when you yourself publish a new comment. I just tried it now, and it worked fine for me.

    Perhaps there's something strange with your browser, regarding use of Javascript or cookies.
  77. @Elsewhere
    If you can do that, is it possible to make it so that posting doesn't reset the highlighting of unread posts? I often want to comment on a post as I read, but then I lose the highlighting of all the posts further down that I haven't read yet.

    If you can do that, is it possible to make it so that posting doesn’t reset the highlighting of unread posts? I often want to comment on a post as I read, but then I lose the highlighting of all the posts further down that I haven’t read yet.

    That’s very odd—it should already be keeping the blue-tinting of unread comments when you yourself publish a new comment. I just tried it now, and it worked fine for me.

    Perhaps there’s something strange with your browser, regarding use of Javascript or cookies.

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    • Replies: @John Jeremiah Smith
    Ron:

    This is the only "advice" I will offer: use a legitimate, supported forum software, particularly one that requires a login ID and password.

    Oh, okay, one more word of advice: your website is too "busy". Reduce the article count.

    That's all. Enjoy. Good-bye. The email address is bogus. :-)


    Roger Armstrong
    , @res
    Ron, there might be a terminology problem here. Posting does not reset the blue tinting of "new comments." For me, though, posting does reset the grey tinting of comments which I have "previewed" using the pop up preview reply to/from links in each post. This isn't critical, but I do find it a nuisance.

    P.S. Thanks for fixing "Agree" so it returns you to that post.
  78. I was happy to see your inclusion.

    I was afraid I’d have to hang out elsewhere.

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  79. @Brás Cubas
    Mr. Unz,

    I have serious doubts that VDARE should be categorized as a "racialist" venue.

    If I am wrong about this, please someone correct me, but please follow my reasoning.

    VDARE, from what I gathered from reading the site for some time (I don't read it as often lately), is stricly concerned with the issue of immigration, being an advocate for immigration shutdown or, at least, reduction.

    The United States has a large population of African Americans and European Americans, without mentioning other groups which contribute with smaller percentages of the total population. How can simply advocating against the undeterred influx of foreigners into a diverse nation such as yours be considered as tantamount to being 'racialist'?

    Among the contributors to VDARE is one at least who belongs to a minority group (Michelle Malkin, whose parents are Philipino).

    Perhaps some of the contributors to VDARE include race among their concerns, but it seems that this is the case with some of the contributors to The Unz Review as well (Steve Sailer, John Derbyshire are the ones who come to mind, and they either contribute to VDARE also or have done so in the past).

    If your point is not to have The Unz Review be categorized wrongly, it is important that you do not commit an analogous mistake regarding others.

    Doesn’t Vdare proclaim that the name of their site is taken from that of the first white person born in America?

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    • Replies: @Brás Cubas
    Thank you for the information. I have somewhat recanted from my position in my response to Ron Unz.
    , @German_reader
    No, the first English child born in America.
    But it's definitely a somewhat ethnocentric site (though not quite alt right in the sense of Richard Spencer though there are obvious connections).
  80. @Ron Unz

    I have a second questioning, again concerning VDARE.

    Is the designation “alt-right” applied by you to that venue an adequate one?

    I ask this in all humility, admitting upfront that it is possible that the entire cadre of VDARE be made of “rightwing” writers. I just do not follow it closely enough to state in all certainty that this is the case.
     
    Well, I try to avoid getting involved in comment threads, but I suppose I'll make an exception.

    (1) The term "Alt-Right" is not precisely defined, but I'd say the vast majority of observers would put VDare in the Alt-Right, though probably towards its softer end. For example, the big Alt-Right conference by Richard Spencer/NPI in DC that generated all media controversy had three leading speakers besides Spencer himself: Jared Taylor, Kevin MacDonald, and Peter Brimelow, all regarded as leading luminaries of the Alt-Right.

    (2) Offhand, I'd say that about 90-95% of VDare's writers are rightwingers or extreme rightwingers, and consequently virtually everyone considers VDare to be a very rightwing webzine, far to the right of e.g. Breitbart.com let alone National Review. They may also publish a small number of anti-immigration activists who happen to be Democrats or otherwise consider themselves non-rightwingers, such as that Collins fellow you mention, but no one in the world outside VDare has ever heard of any of them. Similarly, Republican/conservative conferences invariably have black Republican conservatives in leading speaking roles even though such indiviudals represent the views of approximately 0% of actual blacks.

    (3) Long, long ago, much of the anti-immigration sentiment in America was along economic grounds and often drew from unions and the Left. But for various reasons, that almost entirely died off a generation or two ago. I've been heavily involved in immigration issues for over 25 years, and during that entire period I'd estimate that roughly 85-90% of energetic anti-immigration activists have been motivated by racial issues, though many of them go to great efforts to conceal this for PeeCee reasons.

    As a thought-experiment, if the bulk of today's immigrants were coming from Europe instead of Latin America, Asia, and Africa, I'd think that virtually all anti-immigration activism would completely disappear. It's certainly true that many of those activists would still oppose heavy immigration on economic or environmental grounds, but it would go from being their #1 or #2 issue to being more like #27. Ironically enough, there might be the growth of a small but noticeable anti-immigration movement among liberals and Democrats and the Left, so that any residual anti-immigration activism would probably be dominated by the Left.

    Greetings, Mr. Unz.
    I wish you exercised that exceptionalism on a couple of questions that I had in regard to the
    depreciation in integrity of a certain alternative news outlet* whose columnists have a perenial presence on UR.

    * Used to piously read late Cockburn’s column some twenty years ago…..but nowadays would rather have a beer with David Mamet than Robert Fisk.

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  81. @John Jeremiah Smith

    As a thought-experiment, if the bulk of today’s immigrants were coming from Europe instead of Latin America, Asia, and Africa, I’d think that virtually all anti-immigration activism would completely disappear.
     
    IOW, you do not believe that the hordes of illegals flooding the country and the welfare system are a burden? You think "Whoopee! Let's have more?"

    No, people don't hate immigrants because they're black, hispanic, or Asian. It's because there's too damn many of them and no checks are in place on this touted "checks and balances" system America is supposed to have. We cannot support the inrush of the hordes. Working Americans cannot continue to provide welfare for people who are imported as a benefit for the rich.

    Enough! Stop!!

    Why are you conflating legal and illegal immigrants? Mr. Unz did not do that.

    Legal immigrants must meet educational requirements. They are not on “welfare” (which apparently no longer exists), they’re pursuing middle class careers, often in occupations designated by the INS. For a long time nursing was the choice of Africans, and pharmacists from all over the world filled a perceived shortage here. Now I hear it’s computer techies.**

    The illegals are another thing entirely, but Americans have gotten used to spending a relatively small percentage of their income on food, which is why Bush the Younger thought we needed a ‘guest worker’ program.

    **This year we replaced our water heater. The company (father and son native white Americans that we’ve used for 50 years) sent a Latino crew. They didn’t speak much English, but did an excellent job.

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    • Replies: @utu
    "Legal immigrants must meet educational requirements. They are not on “welfare” (which apparently no longer exists), they’re pursuing middle class careers, often in occupations designated by the INS. "

    What about several waves of Jewish immigrants for USSR (refugees) und Jackson-Vanik amendment? Many older people near or in retirement age. Went straight to become SS, Medicare recipients and public housing.
    , @John Jeremiah Smith

    Why are you conflating legal and illegal immigrants? Mr. Unz did not do that.
     
    Why do you misuse the term "conflating"?

    Syrians are "legal" imports, are they not? How are they making a living? Do they come in as "refugees" and immediately begin paying taxes on their wages from plentiful manufacturing jobs in the American heartland?

    No. They are supported by my tax dollars, for typically a decade, even more.

    No immigrants!! Stop ALL immigration NOW!! We have 100 million more population than we need, or benefit from. The notion that "immigration is a doubleplus good" is bullshit.
  82. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    Good riddance to Razib. An average intellect at best, he got were he is by pure grit and determination. Always having little original or even interesting to say, he compensated by being intolerant and pompous ass.

    Ron, please see if you could entice Cochran to write here regularly. Now that’s a fresh air! Not always right and rarely pleasant, Greg is consistently interesting and original.

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  83. @iffen
    If the “organized group” is taken to mean the Nazi party

    Do you actually think it would be called the American Chapter of Adolph Hitler's Nazi Party?

    if that is what you accuse me of feigning ignorance of

    No Nazi Germany, no Israel, it's that simple.

    Israel is a great country, a fantastic place – it’s terrific! If you’re unhappy maybe you should go back.

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  84. @Ron Unz

    I have a second questioning, again concerning VDARE.

    Is the designation “alt-right” applied by you to that venue an adequate one?

    I ask this in all humility, admitting upfront that it is possible that the entire cadre of VDARE be made of “rightwing” writers. I just do not follow it closely enough to state in all certainty that this is the case.
     
    Well, I try to avoid getting involved in comment threads, but I suppose I'll make an exception.

    (1) The term "Alt-Right" is not precisely defined, but I'd say the vast majority of observers would put VDare in the Alt-Right, though probably towards its softer end. For example, the big Alt-Right conference by Richard Spencer/NPI in DC that generated all media controversy had three leading speakers besides Spencer himself: Jared Taylor, Kevin MacDonald, and Peter Brimelow, all regarded as leading luminaries of the Alt-Right.

    (2) Offhand, I'd say that about 90-95% of VDare's writers are rightwingers or extreme rightwingers, and consequently virtually everyone considers VDare to be a very rightwing webzine, far to the right of e.g. Breitbart.com let alone National Review. They may also publish a small number of anti-immigration activists who happen to be Democrats or otherwise consider themselves non-rightwingers, such as that Collins fellow you mention, but no one in the world outside VDare has ever heard of any of them. Similarly, Republican/conservative conferences invariably have black Republican conservatives in leading speaking roles even though such indiviudals represent the views of approximately 0% of actual blacks.

    (3) Long, long ago, much of the anti-immigration sentiment in America was along economic grounds and often drew from unions and the Left. But for various reasons, that almost entirely died off a generation or two ago. I've been heavily involved in immigration issues for over 25 years, and during that entire period I'd estimate that roughly 85-90% of energetic anti-immigration activists have been motivated by racial issues, though many of them go to great efforts to conceal this for PeeCee reasons.

    As a thought-experiment, if the bulk of today's immigrants were coming from Europe instead of Latin America, Asia, and Africa, I'd think that virtually all anti-immigration activism would completely disappear. It's certainly true that many of those activists would still oppose heavy immigration on economic or environmental grounds, but it would go from being their #1 or #2 issue to being more like #27. Ironically enough, there might be the growth of a small but noticeable anti-immigration movement among liberals and Democrats and the Left, so that any residual anti-immigration activism would probably be dominated by the Left.

    Thank you for your response. I have just read VDARE’s statement of principles, and have to say that, based on that statement, you are not necessarily wrong in the first of your categorizations (“racialist”). As for the second one, your explanation is perfectly acceptable, and the only remaining controversy is that which is intrinsic to that label.

    I only have to disagree with one thing: it is not true that no one outside VDARE ever heard of Donald A. Collins. He writes regularly for the Church and State website (churchandstate.org.uk). He is very good, by the way.

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    He writes regularly for the Church and State website (churchandstate.org.uk). He is very good, by the way.
     
    I would absolutely love to see his perspective on world affairs represented at the Unz Review!

    Not just on the Alt Right, there [are] some sensible thinkers on the ‘Dissident Left,’ who use the comparison [...]

    Former US Navy officer, banker and venture capitalist, Donald A. Collins, a free lance writer living in Washington, DC., has spent over 40 years working for women’s reproductive health as a board member and/or officer of numerous family planning organizations including Planned Parenthood Federation of America, Guttmacher Institute, Family Health International and Ipas. Yale under graduate, NYU MBA. He is the author of From the Dissident Left: A Collection of Essays 2004-2013.
     

    - http://www.unz.com/isteve/hamilton-denounces-jefferson-for-putting-immigrants-on-the-path-to-citizenship/#comment-1659145

    Especially with Steve Bannon, Betsy DeVos/Erik Prince, et al. close to the White House; his perspective is very much needed:


    I tried to give Steve Bannon the benefit of the doubt, but I think you are pretty much spot on with your characterization of him ‘He sounds very much like a Catholic neocon type.

    I wrote a long comment on that Vatican speech/presentation he gave; here some excerpts [...]

    Let us hope, that they won’t succeed to turn him and his administration into a Zionist-Vatican alliance puppet… I will do everything in my power to not let that happen!
     

    - http://www.unz.com/article/npis-spencer-vs-politcos-hirsh-etc/#comment-1665789
  85. @Bill Jones
    Doesn't Vdare proclaim that the name of their site is taken from that of the first white person born in America?

    Thank you for the information. I have somewhat recanted from my position in my response to Ron Unz.

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  86. @iffen
    Do we have any Nazi or Nazi apologist contributors here at Unz?

    Let me walk that wording back and change it to Nazi fellow travelers. Fellow traveler covers everyone that I have in mind.

    can imagine someone thinking of Mr. Buchanan as a Nazi defender, since he argues that WWII was unnecessary

    Yes, if one argues that WWII was unnecessary, you are going to need a host of angels surrounding you to protect you from the obvious.

    Do we have any Nazi or Nazi apologist contributors here at Unz?

    Why did AK pop in with an obfuscating comment about Nazis?

    Or are you suggesting Dr. Sniegoski is a Nazi apologist? I don’t see anything to support that.

    One can look at the hearty welcome from [[[certain]]] commenters to get a general idea. I read his review of Mahl’s book and he fully establishes his fellow traveler status.

    I’m not sure how exactly one would add a columnist to counterbalance Nazism.

    How about a scholarly type whose focus of study is the refutation of Holocaust Denial propaganda?

    and a few others are pro-Israel, not that that has much to do with Nazism.

    Right, Israel has nothing to do with Nazism. That’s not even apples and oranges, more like apples and rocks.

    I’m not sure the site would benefit much from having the debate over National Socialism dragged from the comments into the articles.

    Yeah, I am not really surprised that you would think that.

    Why did AK pop in with an obfuscating comment about Nazis?

    Please insinuate moar.

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    • Replies: @iffen
    Please insinuate moar.

    Although I do not strictly consider myself Alt Right (or NRx), I do support about 70% of their positions, so I was happy to turn up with them to troll my alma mater.

    I suppose that means my “Far Right Recruiter” achievement trophy has been unlocked.


     

    I haven't been able to divine the 30%. That might just be my limitations. You could just spell it out.

    I couldn't find your reply to a commenter who questioned your use of ((( ))), but it left questions in my mind about the ideas in your mind.

    BTW, in the right margin of Unz under Russian Reaction, the last post is from November 8th, the My American Decade. I didn't realize that you were still posting until I went looking for some quotes that I could throw against the wall to see if any might stick.

  87. @Anatoly Karlin

    Why did AK pop in with an obfuscating comment about Nazis?
     
    Please insinuate moar.

    Please insinuate moar.

    Although I do not strictly consider myself Alt Right (or NRx), I do support about 70% of their positions, so I was happy to turn up with them to troll my alma mater.

    I suppose that means my “Far Right Recruiter” achievement trophy has been unlocked.

    I haven’t been able to divine the 30%. That might just be my limitations. You could just spell it out.

    I couldn’t find your reply to a commenter who questioned your use of ((( ))), but it left questions in my mind about the ideas in your mind.

    BTW, in the right margin of Unz under Russian Reaction, the last post is from November 8th, the My American Decade. I didn’t realize that you were still posting until I went looking for some quotes that I could throw against the wall to see if any might stick.

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    • Replies: @5371
    I use ((())) myself all the time. I was questioning only their applicability to Sarko. Glad to set things straight.
  88. @RobinG
    Why are you conflating legal and illegal immigrants? Mr. Unz did not do that.

    Legal immigrants must meet educational requirements. They are not on "welfare" (which apparently no longer exists), they're pursuing middle class careers, often in occupations designated by the INS. For a long time nursing was the choice of Africans, and pharmacists from all over the world filled a perceived shortage here. Now I hear it's computer techies.**

    The illegals are another thing entirely, but Americans have gotten used to spending a relatively small percentage of their income on food, which is why Bush the Younger thought we needed a 'guest worker' program.

    **This year we replaced our water heater. The company (father and son native white Americans that we've used for 50 years) sent a Latino crew. They didn't speak much English, but did an excellent job.

    “Legal immigrants must meet educational requirements. They are not on “welfare” (which apparently no longer exists), they’re pursuing middle class careers, often in occupations designated by the INS. ”

    What about several waves of Jewish immigrants for USSR (refugees) und Jackson-Vanik amendment? Many older people near or in retirement age. Went straight to become SS, Medicare recipients and public housing.

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    • Replies: @RobinG
    Again, refugees are a different ball of wax from standard legal immigrants, totally different criteria. Do you know that the Syrian refugees only get government assistance for one month, and are expected to pay back their plane fare to the gov't.? Church groups have mobilized with language classes, donations of housewares and clothing, etc.

    The Soviet Jews are a great example of how The Lobby is most successful: when their interests coincide with another powerful group, in this case the anti-Communists. Do you think the elderly Jews are what the Master Chief had in mind? Could be, I suppose, but that didn't enter my mind.
  89. @Bill Jones
    Doesn't Vdare proclaim that the name of their site is taken from that of the first white person born in America?

    No, the first English child born in America.
    But it’s definitely a somewhat ethnocentric site (though not quite alt right in the sense of Richard Spencer though there are obvious connections).

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  90. John Jeremiah Smith [AKA "MCPO USN"] says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @RobinG
    Why are you conflating legal and illegal immigrants? Mr. Unz did not do that.

    Legal immigrants must meet educational requirements. They are not on "welfare" (which apparently no longer exists), they're pursuing middle class careers, often in occupations designated by the INS. For a long time nursing was the choice of Africans, and pharmacists from all over the world filled a perceived shortage here. Now I hear it's computer techies.**

    The illegals are another thing entirely, but Americans have gotten used to spending a relatively small percentage of their income on food, which is why Bush the Younger thought we needed a 'guest worker' program.

    **This year we replaced our water heater. The company (father and son native white Americans that we've used for 50 years) sent a Latino crew. They didn't speak much English, but did an excellent job.

    Why are you conflating legal and illegal immigrants? Mr. Unz did not do that.

    Why do you misuse the term “conflating”?

    Syrians are “legal” imports, are they not? How are they making a living? Do they come in as “refugees” and immediately begin paying taxes on their wages from plentiful manufacturing jobs in the American heartland?

    No. They are supported by my tax dollars, for typically a decade, even more.

    No immigrants!! Stop ALL immigration NOW!! We have 100 million more population than we need, or benefit from. The notion that “immigration is a doubleplus good” is bullshit.

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  91. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    Unz.com has sections on

    FOREIGN POLICY
    RACE/ETHNICITY
    ECONOMICS
    IDEOLOGY
    HISTORY
    SCIENCE

    But nothing on arts/culture(though Sailer sometimes covers movies and others review books).

    National Review has John Simon on cinema and Nordinger on music.
    Commentary has Terry Teachout.
    American Spectator had James Bowman.

    New Criterion balances politics with the arts.

    Culture mags discuss politics, and political rags discuss culture.

    That is the big missing hole in Unz.com.

    No culture section.

    And maybe it can have a religious section too. A sunday sermon that is hellfire and brimstone about spinners of lies. It can have a 10 “you-will-go-to-hell-if” lists every week.

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    • Replies: @anonymous
    Sorry Priss, your inane movie clips are not culture.
  92. anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Anon
    Unz.com has sections on

    FOREIGN POLICY
    RACE/ETHNICITY
    ECONOMICS
    IDEOLOGY
    HISTORY
    SCIENCE

    But nothing on arts/culture(though Sailer sometimes covers movies and others review books).

    National Review has John Simon on cinema and Nordinger on music.
    Commentary has Terry Teachout.
    American Spectator had James Bowman.

    New Criterion balances politics with the arts.

    Culture mags discuss politics, and political rags discuss culture.

    That is the big missing hole in Unz.com.

    No culture section.

    And maybe it can have a religious section too. A sunday sermon that is hellfire and brimstone about spinners of lies. It can have a 10 "you-will-go-to-hell-if" lists every week.

    Sorry Priss, your inane movie clips are not culture.

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    • Agree: jacques sheete
    • Replies: @Anon
    N.P. Thompson is a super-jerk but has strong opinions.

    Someone like him might fire up the site.

    https://nptonline.wordpress.com/2010/03/08/redacted-from-salon/

    http://www.adweek.com/fishbowlny/rejected-freelance-film-critic-slams-slate/4004

    Nowicki makes for interesting read.

    http://www.thornwalker.com/ditch/nowicki_torture_porn.htm

    Sterzinger has wide knowledge of books and music.

    http://annsterzinger.com/bob-dylan-winning-the-nobel-for-literature-might-suck-but-the-nobel-prize-is-not-what-you-think/

    KMG has some of the best commentary on movies.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDGI1sVcjsE
  93. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @iffen
    Dr. Stephen J. Sniegoski, a corpus of controversial historical and political analysis that comes to well over 250,000 words.

    When you add contributors in the future, can we get someone that will provide balance against the Nazi apologists?

    Okay, I know I said I wouldn’t say any more on this topic.

    But reading the rest of this thread, I noticed that Mr. Unz does actually read these comments, and respond to those which pose questions to him deserving of a response.

    So why don’t you do this:

    If you think (to shamelessly steal from the masthead of this site) that interesting, important, or controversial anti-Nazi perspectives exist that are largely excluded from the mainstream media, feel free to recommend them.

    and see what response you get?

    No argument, just advice.

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  94. @Brás Cubas
    Thank you for your response. I have just read VDARE's statement of principles, and have to say that, based on that statement, you are not necessarily wrong in the first of your categorizations ("racialist"). As for the second one, your explanation is perfectly acceptable, and the only remaining controversy is that which is intrinsic to that label.

    I only have to disagree with one thing: it is not true that no one outside VDARE ever heard of Donald A. Collins. He writes regularly for the Church and State website (churchandstate.org.uk). He is very good, by the way.

    He writes regularly for the Church and State website (churchandstate.org.uk). He is very good, by the way.

    I would absolutely love to see his perspective on world affairs represented at the Unz Review!

    Not just on the Alt Right, there [are] some sensible thinkers on the ‘Dissident Left,’ who use the comparison [...]

    Former US Navy officer, banker and venture capitalist, Donald A. Collins, a free lance writer living in Washington, DC., has spent over 40 years working for women’s reproductive health as a board member and/or officer of numerous family planning organizations including Planned Parenthood Federation of America, Guttmacher Institute, Family Health International and Ipas. Yale under graduate, NYU MBA. He is the author of From the Dissident Left: A Collection of Essays 2004-2013.

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/hamilton-denounces-jefferson-for-putting-immigrants-on-the-path-to-citizenship/#comment-1659145

    Especially with Steve Bannon, Betsy DeVos/Erik Prince, et al. close to the White House; his perspective is very much needed:

    I tried to give Steve Bannon the benefit of the doubt, but I think you are pretty much spot on with your characterization of him ‘He sounds very much like a Catholic neocon type.

    I wrote a long comment on that Vatican speech/presentation he gave; here some excerpts [...]

    Let us hope, that they won’t succeed to turn him and his administration into a Zionist-Vatican alliance puppet… I will do everything in my power to not let that happen!

    http://www.unz.com/article/npis-spencer-vs-politcos-hirsh-etc/#comment-1665789

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  95. @utu
    "Legal immigrants must meet educational requirements. They are not on “welfare” (which apparently no longer exists), they’re pursuing middle class careers, often in occupations designated by the INS. "

    What about several waves of Jewish immigrants for USSR (refugees) und Jackson-Vanik amendment? Many older people near or in retirement age. Went straight to become SS, Medicare recipients and public housing.

    Again, refugees are a different ball of wax from standard legal immigrants, totally different criteria. Do you know that the Syrian refugees only get government assistance for one month, and are expected to pay back their plane fare to the gov’t.? Church groups have mobilized with language classes, donations of housewares and clothing, etc.

    The Soviet Jews are a great example of how The Lobby is most successful: when their interests coincide with another powerful group, in this case the anti-Communists. Do you think the elderly Jews are what the Master Chief had in mind? Could be, I suppose, but that didn’t enter my mind.

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  96. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @anonymous
    Sorry Priss, your inane movie clips are not culture.

    N.P. Thompson is a super-jerk but has strong opinions.

    Someone like him might fire up the site.

    https://nptonline.wordpress.com/2010/03/08/redacted-from-salon/

    http://www.adweek.com/fishbowlny/rejected-freelance-film-critic-slams-slate/4004

    Nowicki makes for interesting read.

    http://www.thornwalker.com/ditch/nowicki_torture_porn.htm

    Sterzinger has wide knowledge of books and music.

    http://annsterzinger.com/bob-dylan-winning-the-nobel-for-literature-might-suck-but-the-nobel-prize-is-not-what-you-think/

    KMG has some of the best commentary on movies.

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    • Replies: @Anon
    KMG has some of the best commentary on movies.

    (I posted the wrong clip in above post)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AszR86cDuNo
  97. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Anon
    N.P. Thompson is a super-jerk but has strong opinions.

    Someone like him might fire up the site.

    https://nptonline.wordpress.com/2010/03/08/redacted-from-salon/

    http://www.adweek.com/fishbowlny/rejected-freelance-film-critic-slams-slate/4004

    Nowicki makes for interesting read.

    http://www.thornwalker.com/ditch/nowicki_torture_porn.htm

    Sterzinger has wide knowledge of books and music.

    http://annsterzinger.com/bob-dylan-winning-the-nobel-for-literature-might-suck-but-the-nobel-prize-is-not-what-you-think/

    KMG has some of the best commentary on movies.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDGI1sVcjsE

    KMG has some of the best commentary on movies.

    (I posted the wrong clip in above post)

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  98. …hoping to make it a convenient venue for those important and controversial ideas largely excluded from mainstream coverage.

    For Gawd’s sake, Mr. Unz would you please quit referring to the lamestream media as mainstream?

    What’s mainstream about corporate-mafia disinformation, anyway? Calling it the latter subtly legitimizes the garbage so please stop!

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    • Replies: @Elsewhere

    For Gawd’s sake, Mr. Unz would you please quit referring to the lamestream media as mainstream?
     
    Nahh... lamestream as a term is really lame. Cringeworthy.

    What’s mainstream about corporate-mafia disinformation, anyway? Calling it the latter subtly legitimizes the garbage so please stop!
     
    I disagree. Society has punk/hipster aesthetics now: mainstream is passé; samizdat is cool.
  99. @Randal

    Removed following constructive conversations with outlet operators: aanirfan.blogspot.co.uk, abovetopsecret.com, counterpunch.org, nutritionfacts.org, russia-direct.org
     
    That must count as a public mark of shame for the outlets named, and certainly one would think an organisation such as counterpunch.org, which makes plenty of noise about accountability, integrity, etc, would be eager to explain how it managed to appease an outfit like propornot and to publish the private communications involved in achieving such an apparently shameful kowtow.

    This ought to be highlighted more prominently. Counterpunch users ought to be aware of what kind of organisation they are dealing with.

    If the constructive conversation consisted in Counterpunch threatening them with a lawsuit, I suppose it’s all good.

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    • Replies: @Randal
    Indeed. In that case they would presumably have no problem being open and accountable to their viewership about it.

    Perhaps they have. I'm not a regular at Counterpunch any more, because Unz is simply better imo at doing what Counterpunch was originally useful for (more than a decade ago) - providing alternative news and opinions normally excluded from the mainstream media.
  100. @iffen
    Please insinuate moar.

    Although I do not strictly consider myself Alt Right (or NRx), I do support about 70% of their positions, so I was happy to turn up with them to troll my alma mater.

    I suppose that means my “Far Right Recruiter” achievement trophy has been unlocked.


     

    I haven't been able to divine the 30%. That might just be my limitations. You could just spell it out.

    I couldn't find your reply to a commenter who questioned your use of ((( ))), but it left questions in my mind about the ideas in your mind.

    BTW, in the right margin of Unz under Russian Reaction, the last post is from November 8th, the My American Decade. I didn't realize that you were still posting until I went looking for some quotes that I could throw against the wall to see if any might stick.

    I use ((())) myself all the time. I was questioning only their applicability to Sarko. Glad to set things straight.

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    • Replies: @iffen
    Thanks.

    I guess that it is a comfort of some sort knowing that some of the people who concern themselves with finding and pointing out all the Jewnections in our world are concerned with accuracy.
  101. @5371
    If the constructive conversation consisted in Counterpunch threatening them with a lawsuit, I suppose it's all good.

    Indeed. In that case they would presumably have no problem being open and accountable to their viewership about it.

    Perhaps they have. I’m not a regular at Counterpunch any more, because Unz is simply better imo at doing what Counterpunch was originally useful for (more than a decade ago) – providing alternative news and opinions normally excluded from the mainstream media.

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  102. @5371
    I use ((())) myself all the time. I was questioning only their applicability to Sarko. Glad to set things straight.

    Thanks.

    I guess that it is a comfort of some sort knowing that some of the people who concern themselves with finding and pointing out all the Jewnections in our world are concerned with accuracy.

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  103. @jacques sheete

    ...hoping to make it a convenient venue for those important and controversial ideas largely excluded from mainstream coverage.
     
    For Gawd's sake, Mr. Unz would you please quit referring to the lamestream media as mainstream?

    What's mainstream about corporate-mafia disinformation, anyway? Calling it the latter subtly legitimizes the garbage so please stop!

    For Gawd’s sake, Mr. Unz would you please quit referring to the lamestream media as mainstream?

    Nahh… lamestream as a term is really lame. Cringeworthy.

    What’s mainstream about corporate-mafia disinformation, anyway? Calling it the latter subtly legitimizes the garbage so please stop!

    I disagree. Society has punk/hipster aesthetics now: mainstream is passé; samizdat is cool.

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    • Replies: @jacques sheete

    Nahh… lamestream as a term is really lame. Cringeworthy.
     
    Not half as cringeworthy as the sappy appellation, "mainstream."
    , @Bill Jones
    What's wrong with "Corporate Media Whores"?
  104. “Fake News” is more or less what the commies called Radio Free Europe, samizdat, and other non-approved sources of information back in the Cold War era.

    Same as the similarly propaganda-minded Nazis did about alternates to their approved narrative.

    Labeling something as “fake news” is a pretty sure sign that one is a propagandist in service of totalitarianism oneself and is just projecting upon the competition.

    American Pravda is the literal truth.

    Fortunately, history at least rhymes if not repeats, so many indicators of how this may all play out.

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  105. @iffen
    Well, I hope you are satisfied with destroying democracy.

    From NBC's First Read


    How it all delegitimizes the media and democracy

    There's one more consequence to the rants, feuds, and conspiracy theories: They end up delegitimizing the media -- and the country's democracy. Think about it: Every time Trump claims, without substantiation, that millions voted illegally, and every time the news media call him out for it, that only delegitimizes the media among Trump's supporters. And then when the same media write and cover Trump's conflicts of interests (or policy proposals or anything else), those same supporters won't believe a word of it. Will the media be alone in this challenge? Or will members of BOTH parties decide that what's happening to two key institutions -- the press and the vote -- is worth fighting for?
     

    I read this as saying, "If you don't listen to us and accept our interpretations, you are going to destroy democracy."

    I think that if I was failing and drowning, I would try and wrap myself in the life raft of democracy too.

    From my chair of view, the MSM has lost all credibility! Call me crazy, but that is the case. As a matter if fact, I don’t even watch the news on TV; The internet has replaced TV news. This site together with Presstv, RT, veteranstoday, etc. are my daily reading. To hell with the MSM.

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  106. @Astuteobservor II
    that news article by washington post reads like damage control for the spread of fake news on facebook. instead of dealing with the problem, facebook's problem, they are pointing fingers instead. deflecting.

    that means whatever Ron is doing is working.

    please expand and provide more of everything. especially articles by people like fred, pepe and david lindorff. my wish is for this website to become as popular as any major fake newspaper. the more people reads this webzine the better it is for our country.

    Way before finding the alternative media, one fellow airman introduced me to the fallacy of the narrative giving to the sheep by the MSM, and our Gov. about 9/11. We had long discussions and a civilian called us conspiracy theorists crazies. We challenged him to find out for himself though. Within three months, he called us back to his office, and explained how hard it was for him to accept what he found via youtube, and other sites, and thanked us for pushing the issue with him. All evidence points to an inside job, the engineer told us.

    Well, thank God ‘some’ sheep are awaking, and hopefully some day… some day, more and more sheep will awake to the truth.

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    ...fallacy of the narrative giving to the sheep by the MSM, and our Gov. about 9/11.
     
    One of the things I find amazing is that so many folks think that 9/11 could not have been perpetrated or at least supported by some in the US government. They must not have heard of "Operation Northwoods" or of the "surprise" attack on Pearl Harbor.

    Pearl Harbor?

    Yup. There's a lot of evidence supporting the idea that FDR purposely goaded the Japanese militarists into attacking Pearl. He effectively sacrificed 2,400+ Americans in order to gain an excuse to begin overt military operations against the Japanese empire.
  107. @Astuteobservor II
    we can all understand why certain articles gets certain type of comments right? given the role the jewish elite plays in the usa, everything about our govt, media, foreign policy, hell our schools, and most important of all, our wars.

    there is only one answer. don't act surprise or offended by the answer.

    I am apprehensive about blaming all on the ‘Jews’. Just like it takes two to tangle, also it takes the dumb goyim to learn and get some balls if needed to take the fight on the propaganda media. I believe trump is liked because he has the balls to tell it like it is. Most people are afraid of saying what they want to say. I told my neighbor across the street from my house to shed the ‘slave-guilt’ the ‘anti-Semite guilt’, etc. Grow some cohones! people. I am not insinuating as to go and offend people outright. NO, simple as a supervisor once told me. “Sergeant! you can tell a Colonel to go to hell, as long as you tell him in an appropriate and respectful way”. It is the same way for people to disassemble the political correct garbage. ‘in an appropriate and respectful way”.

    My neighbor responded to me this way. ‘Yeah, I remember when growing up, if you took something from me, we would say” you ‘jewed me”…. So what is it?

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  108. @Jus' Sayin'...
    I am sorry to see Razib Khan is leaving the Unz Review. His Unz "column" was always one of the places to which I'd refer people who expressed a sincere desire to learn something about modern discoveries in human genetics and related issues.

    Apropos, the latest MSM scam, "fake news", I enjoy pointing out to the individuals who try to propagate this gem that:

    (1) One of the reasons they were so shocked by the results of this recent election is that they were ignorant and ill-informed and the reason they were ignorant and ill-informed is that they were ill-served by the MSM and all their other "news" sources.

    (2) Everyone I knew who either relied on or considered "fake news" sources knew damn well the election would be close and most suspected that Trump would squeak to victory.

    (3) Two weeks before the election I predicted in public and in a verifiable that way we would see MSM commentators openly crying on election night and that my fulfilled prediction tells us two things: (a) These people are ignorant fools; and (b) They were completely and corruptly in the tank for Clinton.

    (4) My sole sources for "news" at the moment are (a) the Unz Review; (2) the Drudge Report; (3) VDare.Com; (4) Taki's Magazine; and (5) NPR [to check what the crazies are telling us to believe]; (6) Boston.Com for local news; and (6) Fox TV News for local news. And as a result I am much better informed than they on most current issues. I'm happy to accept challenges on this latter score and fact checking on the internet almost invariably confirms my take on local events versus theirs.

    I then suggest that these victims of the MSM read both Unz and Drudge on a regular basis and compare what they learn with both the official MSM narrative and also what finally seems to be the truth.

    I warn them -- particularly my Jewish and Zionist friends -- that they will be upset -- sometimes rightfully so -- by some of what they read in Unz and Drudge but an honest appraisal will ultimately lead them to the conclusion that they get a far better picture of reality from these "fake news" sources than say the WaPo, NYT, LAT, BosGlob, WSJ, NPR, ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, BBS, CBS, etc., etc.

    My advice is to challenge all victims of the MSM to do the same.

    Newsweek has some raving lunacy written for it on a regular basis.

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    • Replies: @Randal
    Probably because it employs people like Owen Matthews:

    I met Donald Trump’s Russian fan club (and fought them on TV)

    Despite years of living abroad, and despite showing every sign of being of at least average intelligence and having had a decent education, he's still seemingly managed to wilfully blind himself to any opinion about the world that conflicts with parochial US sphere dogmas. He hasn't even managed to achieve any sense of nuance, just clumping, heavy-handed, virtue signalling restatement of the official truths, and ridiculing of those who question them. Doubtless it's a matter of self-interest - on some level he knows that he must stay on the reservation or lose the easy access to money, status, publication and perks that goes with being a safe court performer.

    But it's never going to make for reality-based output.

  109. Once again, I open unz.com to see interesting, important and controversial perspectives….

    Fake News, Pizzagate, The Coming War on China

    … and once again, the words that come to my mind are: “Too forensic.”
    “Too forensic!” is the answer given about the future Prime Minister HH Asquith, a brilliant analyst while in opposition, regarding his potentials to lead.
    And the answer turned out to be correct.

    Searching unz.com about the African population growth, I find zero articles. Trump’s cabinet … a few good articles. The deep, underlying processes in Russia, China and Europe are often better covered in brief comments by accidental visitors to the site than by featured articles.

    The Fake News campaign was already heavily criticised across the mainstream and the fake left media. As Karlin said, it has the power of a dead snake.
    Pizzagate is a pronouncedly speculative theory about the private lives of the elections’ losers who are politically – history. Surely – not interesting and hardly important.
    The coming war on China What, there is evidence that Trump is going to make war with China? Or is it, as the previous titles, a “piercing,” “brilliant” analysis of the past and the dead?

    And I’m going to stay here, because the rest of the media are hardly better.

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  110. There is no reason to be sad about Razib Khan departing this august webzine.

    Razib Khan is a coward who blocks people on Twitter.

    He is scum.

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  111. @Baldurdasche
    Newsweek has some raving lunacy written for it on a regular basis.

    Probably because it employs people like Owen Matthews:

    I met Donald Trump’s Russian fan club (and fought them on TV)

    Despite years of living abroad, and despite showing every sign of being of at least average intelligence and having had a decent education, he’s still seemingly managed to wilfully blind himself to any opinion about the world that conflicts with parochial US sphere dogmas. He hasn’t even managed to achieve any sense of nuance, just clumping, heavy-handed, virtue signalling restatement of the official truths, and ridiculing of those who question them. Doubtless it’s a matter of self-interest – on some level he knows that he must stay on the reservation or lose the easy access to money, status, publication and perks that goes with being a safe court performer.

    But it’s never going to make for reality-based output.

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  112. Congratulations and thank you for the website Mr. Unz. I also believe that reasonable alternative viewpoints should be heard out, even if I don’t necessarily agree with them or if they are inconclusive. The construction of this website seems to have been fortuitous, and it appears to be poised to benefit from an increase of public interest as a result of the whole Trump phenomenon, collapse of political correctness, and demise of the mainstream media.

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  113. @Elsewhere

    For Gawd’s sake, Mr. Unz would you please quit referring to the lamestream media as mainstream?
     
    Nahh... lamestream as a term is really lame. Cringeworthy.

    What’s mainstream about corporate-mafia disinformation, anyway? Calling it the latter subtly legitimizes the garbage so please stop!
     
    I disagree. Society has punk/hipster aesthetics now: mainstream is passé; samizdat is cool.

    Nahh… lamestream as a term is really lame. Cringeworthy.

    Not half as cringeworthy as the sappy appellation, “mainstream.”

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    • Replies: @BucephalusXYZ
    "Lamestream" is cringeworthy. But "mainstream" now strikes me as simply wrong (even though I've been using it myself in recent comments). What then? Dominant? Traditional? Legacy?
  114. @in the middle
    Way before finding the alternative media, one fellow airman introduced me to the fallacy of the narrative giving to the sheep by the MSM, and our Gov. about 9/11. We had long discussions and a civilian called us conspiracy theorists crazies. We challenged him to find out for himself though. Within three months, he called us back to his office, and explained how hard it was for him to accept what he found via youtube, and other sites, and thanked us for pushing the issue with him. All evidence points to an inside job, the engineer told us.

    Well, thank God 'some' sheep are awaking, and hopefully some day... some day, more and more sheep will awake to the truth.

    …fallacy of the narrative giving to the sheep by the MSM, and our Gov. about 9/11.

    One of the things I find amazing is that so many folks think that 9/11 could not have been perpetrated or at least supported by some in the US government. They must not have heard of “Operation Northwoods” or of the “surprise” attack on Pearl Harbor.

    Pearl Harbor?

    Yup. There’s a lot of evidence supporting the idea that FDR purposely goaded the Japanese militarists into attacking Pearl. He effectively sacrificed 2,400+ Americans in order to gain an excuse to begin overt military operations against the Japanese empire.

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  115. @Anatoly Karlin
    Anyone who disturbs an SJW's safe space is a Nazi.

    https://twitter.com/akarlin88/status/634625922612596736

    When I read comments like the above (“Karlin’s going full-on neo-Nazi”), I can’t restrain myself from reading the phonemes as I would any others.

    First, I translate “Nazi” into “national socialist” and recall who coined the term Nazi and why.

    Then I observe “neo-Nazi,” which I somehow always associate with FBI provocateurs noodging a “march” in Skokie, IL, maybe three decades ago now. (It was an odd moment of political theatre.)

    Then I see “full-on,” and wonder what the diff is between a “full-on” “neo” “Nazi” and, say, a part-on one, or a 3/4-on retro-Nazi, or a 12% crypto-Nazi, and so on.

    This all fortunately crosses the neurons in the space of a second or two before my parsimony filters dismiss the whole thing as PC-babble designed to demand Sieg Heils from others in a show of power and belonging.

    That this sort of signalling has any credibility whatever bears strong testimony to how degenerate the prog left has become since Dem elites took it over in 1999. I can’t even say I know what “Nazi” is, since in my lifetime of fittysomething years, the topic has never been discussed rationally and openly, with questions from the class allowed. Even my parents, who lived through all that and otherwise were generally open minded and rational, welcoming of questions on any topic, got uncharacteristically reactionary on the topic. I learned not to ask or to think. I think that’s probably the intent.

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    I could be wrong, I was once before, but I do not think that it is of supreme importance who SJWs label as Nazis. The important distinctions are made by those who consider themselves Nazis and those people who share many of the same political views with them, except they are not Nazis.
  116. @Elsewhere

    For Gawd’s sake, Mr. Unz would you please quit referring to the lamestream media as mainstream?
     
    Nahh... lamestream as a term is really lame. Cringeworthy.

    What’s mainstream about corporate-mafia disinformation, anyway? Calling it the latter subtly legitimizes the garbage so please stop!
     
    I disagree. Society has punk/hipster aesthetics now: mainstream is passé; samizdat is cool.

    What’s wrong with “Corporate Media Whores”?

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  117. @Olorin
    When I read comments like the above ("Karlin's going full-on neo-Nazi"), I can't restrain myself from reading the phonemes as I would any others.

    First, I translate "Nazi" into "national socialist" and recall who coined the term Nazi and why.

    Then I observe "neo-Nazi," which I somehow always associate with FBI provocateurs noodging a "march" in Skokie, IL, maybe three decades ago now. (It was an odd moment of political theatre.)

    Then I see "full-on," and wonder what the diff is between a "full-on" "neo" "Nazi" and, say, a part-on one, or a 3/4-on retro-Nazi, or a 12% crypto-Nazi, and so on.

    This all fortunately crosses the neurons in the space of a second or two before my parsimony filters dismiss the whole thing as PC-babble designed to demand Sieg Heils from others in a show of power and belonging.

    That this sort of signalling has any credibility whatever bears strong testimony to how degenerate the prog left has become since Dem elites took it over in 1999. I can't even say I know what "Nazi" is, since in my lifetime of fittysomething years, the topic has never been discussed rationally and openly, with questions from the class allowed. Even my parents, who lived through all that and otherwise were generally open minded and rational, welcoming of questions on any topic, got uncharacteristically reactionary on the topic. I learned not to ask or to think. I think that's probably the intent.

    I could be wrong, I was once before, but I do not think that it is of supreme importance who SJWs label as Nazis. The important distinctions are made by those who consider themselves Nazis and those people who share many of the same political views with them, except they are not Nazis.

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  118. John Jeremiah Smith [AKA "Bill Haack (AKA MCPO)"] says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Ron Unz

    If you can do that, is it possible to make it so that posting doesn’t reset the highlighting of unread posts? I often want to comment on a post as I read, but then I lose the highlighting of all the posts further down that I haven’t read yet.
     
    That's very odd---it should already be keeping the blue-tinting of unread comments when you yourself publish a new comment. I just tried it now, and it worked fine for me.

    Perhaps there's something strange with your browser, regarding use of Javascript or cookies.

    Ron:

    This is the only “advice” I will offer: use a legitimate, supported forum software, particularly one that requires a login ID and password.

    Oh, okay, one more word of advice: your website is too “busy”. Reduce the article count.

    That’s all. Enjoy. Good-bye. The email address is bogus. :-)

    Roger Armstrong

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  119. @jacques sheete

    Nahh… lamestream as a term is really lame. Cringeworthy.
     
    Not half as cringeworthy as the sappy appellation, "mainstream."

    “Lamestream” is cringeworthy. But “mainstream” now strikes me as simply wrong (even though I’ve been using it myself in recent comments). What then? Dominant? Traditional? Legacy?

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  120. anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    Well done Ron. The site has really come together nicely — a consistently good read.

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  121. @Ron Unz

    If you can do that, is it possible to make it so that posting doesn’t reset the highlighting of unread posts? I often want to comment on a post as I read, but then I lose the highlighting of all the posts further down that I haven’t read yet.
     
    That's very odd---it should already be keeping the blue-tinting of unread comments when you yourself publish a new comment. I just tried it now, and it worked fine for me.

    Perhaps there's something strange with your browser, regarding use of Javascript or cookies.

    Ron, there might be a terminology problem here. Posting does not reset the blue tinting of “new comments.” For me, though, posting does reset the grey tinting of comments which I have “previewed” using the pop up preview reply to/from links in each post. This isn’t critical, but I do find it a nuisance.

    P.S. Thanks for fixing “Agree” so it returns you to that post.

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  122. @bored identity




    From Propornot:
    ...An outlet must consistently and over time meet the full range of our criteria in order to qualify. We are happy to remove any that do not, and we welcome the opportunity to engage with anyone involved in order to constructively move forward.

    If you have any questions, or run an outlet which you feel has been unfairly categorized, please contact us.
    We are happy to remove any outlet whose operators understand how Putin's Russia is a brutal authoritarian kleptocracy that uses "fake news" as online propaganda, and resolves to help do something about it.

    For example, any outlet that has used a lot of Russia Today and Sputnik News content, but resolves to stop doing so, is going to be removed from this list.

    (...)


    List v0.0.6: Initial Release
    List v0.0.7:
    Removed following constructive conversations with outlet operators: aanirfan.blogspot.co.uk, abovetopsecret.com, counterpunch.org, nutritionfacts.org, russia-direct.org
    Added: 4thmedia.org, nsnbc.me, presstv.com, theunhivedmind.com, sana.sy

    http://www.propornot.com/p/the-list.html

     

    Dear Mr.Unz, an inquirable bored identity would like to know:

    1. What kind of Counterpuncher begs for "We are happy to remove any outlet"
    withdrawal from the PropOrNot Honor Roll?

    2. What kind of Tell the Facts/Name the Names Counterpuncher agrees to constructive conversations and clandestine set of rules established by the anonymous entity without any kind of transparency and public disclosure ( financing, authors,methodology, ownership and leadership structure...) whose pretense is of working on behalf of the US public interest and " to encourage readers to think critically about the media they encounter"?

    3. Are you going to counterpunch directly St. Clair, Whitney, and Frank with these unpleasantries, and learn firsthand what was the bargain price during the constructive conversations to be "We are happy to remove any outlet" abolished by mysterious Agitpropbusters ?

    4. Do you think that, in the name of public interest, you should maybe make an announcement to UR followers about Counterpunchers' shameful appeasement?


    Bonus :
    https://www.roguemoney.net/stories/2016/12/1/propornotpushingbackvslibel

    People associated with Counterpunch have denied PropOrNot’s characterization of the exchange:

    PropOrNot has been eager to get sites to contact them to engage in “constructive conversation,” as they suggested in Reddit that it would be just peachy if TruthDig “were to reach out to us, though, we would probably have a constructive conversation with them that would result in their removal!”

    In other words, PropOrNot, contrary to its claims of merely providing analysis, is seeking to act as a censor. In corporate-speak, “constructive conversation” is the sort of thing one has with an employee who is being put on warning for possible termination.

    Counterpunch disputed PropOrNot’s characterization of their, um, exchange. From editor Jeffrey St. Clair’s diary:

    ProporNot has since removed CounterPunch from their blacklist following our demand that they do so and issue a retraction. Their site now claims, falsely again, that we engaged in “constructive conversation” with them, which is a curious way to describe a threat to sue them, a threat which we fully intend to follow through on, hopefully in concert with other media outlets they’ve defamed.

    Counterpunch, per Josh Frank’s article, did have a few additional words with PropOrNot, the result of having to deal with a situation that ought to be seen as absurd but nevertheless requires handling. Frank reproduces this howler from “The PropOrNot Team”:

    If Truthout, Truthdig, Antiwar, BlackAgendaReport, etc, were to reach out to us like you did, things might well end up playing out very similarly to how this one has! We’ve asked people to do that on our site. Several have. Others have not.

    This is a pretty bizarre effort to depict how PropOrNot capitulated as if it were PropOrNot getting an outcome it sought. As St. Clair said by e-mail:

    Josh’s letter simply demanded removal from the list and a retraction. There was nothing at all “constructive” about the dialogue, except how quickly they wilted.

    But as Frank’s post describes, PropOrNot went to peculiar lengths to recharacterize what happened, with the effect of digging their hole deeper. Again from PropOrNot:

    If someone contacts us and the resulting conversation makes clear that they understand, for example, how Putin’s Russia is a revisionist authoritarian wannabe-imperialist kleptocracy that uses ‘fake news’ as online propaganda, then we have a lot of common ground. That factors into our understanding of the merits, but more importantly, becomes a basis for constructive movement forward.

    As Frank comments:

    Huh? That isn’t very sound methodology if you ask me, more like a shallow smear campaign manufactured by amateurs. PropOrNot will consider taking these sites off their blacklist, not based on the sites’ content but on whether or not they contacted PropOrNot directly and if “they understand” Putin is a bad hombre?

    http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2016/12/propornots-grandiose-fabrications.html

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  123. For me, though, posting does reset the grey tinting of comments which I have “previewed” using the pop up preview reply to/from links in each post.

    Unfortunately, the gray-tinting of previewed comments is done on the fly, and not saved anywhere. Therefore, having it carry over after you’d published a new comment or that sort of thing would be much more difficult to arrange.

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  124. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    Mr. Unz, I don’t know if you’re still reading this thread, but, if you are, I have a question for you about the search feature. Is there currently any way to search for an exact phrase with spaces ( the kind of thing you get from Google with “exact phrase”, using quotes)? Currently all I am able to get is a search for what seems to be the equivalent on old-style search engines of exact AND phrase.

    If not, would it be much trouble to add such a method?

    Thanks,
    RSDB

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    • Replies: @res
    I'm not Mr. Unz, but I am very interested in how to search effectively on unz.com

    The primary issue I have been having is that the comment previews on the lower right from other articles tend to disrupt my searches by creating false positives. Not sure if there is any workaround for that.

    Regarding your question, have you tried using Google (or DuckDuckGo, or Bing) searches with a site: qualifier (either for unz.com or the specific author of interest)? I sometimes find that effective. I'm not able to make this work for individual commenters though (which would be handy).
  125. @anon
    Mr. Unz, I don't know if you're still reading this thread, but, if you are, I have a question for you about the search feature. Is there currently any way to search for an exact phrase with spaces ( the kind of thing you get from Google with "exact phrase", using quotes)? Currently all I am able to get is a search for what seems to be the equivalent on old-style search engines of exact AND phrase.

    If not, would it be much trouble to add such a method?

    Thanks,
    RSDB

    I’m not Mr. Unz, but I am very interested in how to search effectively on unz.com

    The primary issue I have been having is that the comment previews on the lower right from other articles tend to disrupt my searches by creating false positives. Not sure if there is any workaround for that.

    Regarding your question, have you tried using Google (or DuckDuckGo, or Bing) searches with a site: qualifier (either for unz.com or the specific author of interest)? I sometimes find that effective. I’m not able to make this work for individual commenters though (which would be handy).

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    • Replies: @Ron Unz

    I’m not Mr. Unz, but I am very interested in how to search effectively on unz.com
     
    Actually, the website itself contains a reasonably powerful internal search engine, accessed in the upper right corner of each page, and you definitely should try using that.

    (1) The most basic usage is simple text search, by default restricted to the particular author whose article or archive page you happen to be on. You can include AND's, OR's, or double-quotes around particular strings.

    (2) If you press the [+] button, you can greatly increase the sophistication of your research, perhaps doing a Title/Subtitle search instead of main Text, using starting or ending dates, restricting your search to some particular Author, Topic, or Category, including or excluding comment-text, and even restricting your search to particular commenters.

    Obviously, this is vastly more powerful than if you use an external search-engine such as Google or Bing, which can't make any of these internal distinctions.
  126. @res
    I'm not Mr. Unz, but I am very interested in how to search effectively on unz.com

    The primary issue I have been having is that the comment previews on the lower right from other articles tend to disrupt my searches by creating false positives. Not sure if there is any workaround for that.

    Regarding your question, have you tried using Google (or DuckDuckGo, or Bing) searches with a site: qualifier (either for unz.com or the specific author of interest)? I sometimes find that effective. I'm not able to make this work for individual commenters though (which would be handy).

    I’m not Mr. Unz, but I am very interested in how to search effectively on unz.com

    Actually, the website itself contains a reasonably powerful internal search engine, accessed in the upper right corner of each page, and you definitely should try using that.

    (1) The most basic usage is simple text search, by default restricted to the particular author whose article or archive page you happen to be on. You can include AND’s, OR’s, or double-quotes around particular strings.

    (2) If you press the [+] button, you can greatly increase the sophistication of your research, perhaps doing a Title/Subtitle search instead of main Text, using starting or ending dates, restricting your search to some particular Author, Topic, or Category, including or excluding comment-text, and even restricting your search to particular commenters.

    Obviously, this is vastly more powerful than if you use an external search-engine such as Google or Bing, which can’t make any of these internal distinctions.

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    • Replies: @anon
    Mr. Unz,

    I have been using the internal search engine, which is generally quite useful, including the advanced-search or (+)-button features; what I would like to be able to do is to enter a query with spaces as part of the search-string rather than as delimiters. Enclosing the search-string in double quotes, the method I'd use in Google, doesn't seem to do this.

    Thanks,
    RSDB
    , @res

    Actually, the website itself contains a reasonably powerful internal search engine, accessed in the upper right corner of each page, and you definitely should try using that.
     
    I had tried it, but had disappointing results. But I managed to miss this:


    (2) If you press the [+] button, you can greatly increase the sophistication of your research
     
    Which I expect will be very helpful in the future. Thanks!

    Is there any collection of Unz Review FAQs/Tips for commenting and/or search? I think that would be helpful.

    P.S. Is the internal search robust with respect to preventing distracting hits from the comment teasers? Was that problem just pilot error on my part?
  127. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Ron Unz

    I’m not Mr. Unz, but I am very interested in how to search effectively on unz.com
     
    Actually, the website itself contains a reasonably powerful internal search engine, accessed in the upper right corner of each page, and you definitely should try using that.

    (1) The most basic usage is simple text search, by default restricted to the particular author whose article or archive page you happen to be on. You can include AND's, OR's, or double-quotes around particular strings.

    (2) If you press the [+] button, you can greatly increase the sophistication of your research, perhaps doing a Title/Subtitle search instead of main Text, using starting or ending dates, restricting your search to some particular Author, Topic, or Category, including or excluding comment-text, and even restricting your search to particular commenters.

    Obviously, this is vastly more powerful than if you use an external search-engine such as Google or Bing, which can't make any of these internal distinctions.

    Mr. Unz,

    I have been using the internal search engine, which is generally quite useful, including the advanced-search or (+)-button features; what I would like to be able to do is to enter a query with spaces as part of the search-string rather than as delimiters. Enclosing the search-string in double quotes, the method I’d use in Google, doesn’t seem to do this.

    Thanks,
    RSDB

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    • Replies: @Ron Unz

    I have been using the internal search engine, which is generally quite useful, including the advanced-search or (+)-button features; what I would like to be able to do is to enter a query with spaces as part of the search-string rather than as delimiters. Enclosing the search-string in double quotes, the method I’d use in Google, doesn’t seem to do this.
     
    That's for alerting me to that bug, which I have now fixed. If you search for a phrase in double-quotes, only those articles containing it will be returned, though all the individual words in the phrase will still be high-lighted.
  128. @Ron Unz

    I’m not Mr. Unz, but I am very interested in how to search effectively on unz.com
     
    Actually, the website itself contains a reasonably powerful internal search engine, accessed in the upper right corner of each page, and you definitely should try using that.

    (1) The most basic usage is simple text search, by default restricted to the particular author whose article or archive page you happen to be on. You can include AND's, OR's, or double-quotes around particular strings.

    (2) If you press the [+] button, you can greatly increase the sophistication of your research, perhaps doing a Title/Subtitle search instead of main Text, using starting or ending dates, restricting your search to some particular Author, Topic, or Category, including or excluding comment-text, and even restricting your search to particular commenters.

    Obviously, this is vastly more powerful than if you use an external search-engine such as Google or Bing, which can't make any of these internal distinctions.

    Actually, the website itself contains a reasonably powerful internal search engine, accessed in the upper right corner of each page, and you definitely should try using that.

    I had tried it, but had disappointing results. But I managed to miss this:

    (2) If you press the [+] button, you can greatly increase the sophistication of your research

    Which I expect will be very helpful in the future. Thanks!

    Is there any collection of Unz Review FAQs/Tips for commenting and/or search? I think that would be helpful.

    P.S. Is the internal search robust with respect to preventing distracting hits from the comment teasers? Was that problem just pilot error on my part?

    Read More
  129. @anon
    Mr. Unz,

    I have been using the internal search engine, which is generally quite useful, including the advanced-search or (+)-button features; what I would like to be able to do is to enter a query with spaces as part of the search-string rather than as delimiters. Enclosing the search-string in double quotes, the method I'd use in Google, doesn't seem to do this.

    Thanks,
    RSDB

    I have been using the internal search engine, which is generally quite useful, including the advanced-search or (+)-button features; what I would like to be able to do is to enter a query with spaces as part of the search-string rather than as delimiters. Enclosing the search-string in double quotes, the method I’d use in Google, doesn’t seem to do this.

    That’s for alerting me to that bug, which I have now fixed. If you search for a phrase in double-quotes, only those articles containing it will be returned, though all the individual words in the phrase will still be high-lighted.

    Read More
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