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I doubt that any event in human history has been as thoroughly discussed and documented as the Second World War, the gigantic global struggle that ended three generations ago and shaped our modern world. Elements of that conflict have probably been the subject of hundreds of thousands of books over the decades along with countless articles in newspapers and magazines, and they still pervade our electronic media on a daily basis. Moreover, the story told by nearly all of these authors seems generally consistent, thereby appearing to constitute a very solid fabric of historical reality.

Yet there exists strong evidence that this factual consistency is more apparent than real, with those writers who substantially deviate from the accepted framework having long been denied distribution via mainstream channels of information. The growth of the Internet over the last two decades began bringing disturbing anomalies to my attention, and I gradually recognized this broader problem, which became the basis of my American Pravda articles published over the last few years.

As I described in one of my articles, as early as 1940 some of America’s most prominent and highly-regarded journalists and academics were purged from public life because they maintained their intellectual integrity while most of their peer-group bent to the prevailing ideological winds. When those who dispute a particular view of events quickly disappear from all public discussions, this may naturally intimidate the remainder, while any subsequent consistency becomes a synthetic artifact of selection-bias. And since the vast majority of later writers learn their histories within this sharply-restricted framework, the false reality they absorb gradually becomes self-perpetuating over time.

Many of the individuals cast out by the media for their discordant views had once stood at the pinnacle of public influence, and their thoughtful writings often continued long after their national audiences had been eliminated. Taken together, their works provide a perspective radically different from that of our official histories.

Over the last two years, many of my articles have used these sources to reconstruct what may be a more accurate history of the Second World War, and I recently drew upon my findings to publish American Pravda: Understanding World War II. This article is intended to provide a reasonably compact but comprehensive counter-narrative to our official histories of the central event of the twentieth century. Even 20,000 words of text hardly seems excessive when it seeks to challenge and rebut so many tens of millions of pages written on the other side.

The early response to this very long piece has certainly been quite heartening. In just over two weeks it has attracted more readership than almost any of our other website articles have accumulated over the last six months, while also provoking well over 200,000 words of commentary, much of it quite detailed and thoughtful.

 

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Historical analysis is not entirely an intellectual exercise since it may often shed an important light on present-day events of great importance. Once we begin to accept that there is considerable evidence that the history of the twentieth century believed by nearly all Americans may be in serious error and perhaps actually inverted, we naturally become far more willing to question our ongoing official narratives on important foreign and domestic policy matters. Moreover, the past media purges of dissenting academics and journalists allow us to more easily recognize the exact same developments taking place today, sometimes with very grave consequences.

Consider the case of Stephen F. Cohen. With an academic career at Princeton and New York University that stretches back for more than a half-century, Prof. Cohen certainly ranks as one of our most eminent Russia scholars, and his presence had loomed very large throughout the Reagan Era and afterward, with his Sovieticus column being a regular mid-1980s feature of The Nation magazine, America’s left-liberal flagship publication.

Yet with the Cold War against Russia now recently revived in perhaps an even more dangerous and destructive form by his former liberal Democratic Party allies, his views seem almost nowhere to be found in the mainstream media organs that shape the reality of our ruling policy-elites. Instead, the ignorant journalists who function as our unofficial gatekeepers have crudely castigated him as one of Putin’s “American Dupes.”

In recent years, his regular appearances on the John Batchelor Show of WABC radio have represented one of his few remaining public platforms, and I’ve very pleased to have recently made arrangements to republish all of these hundreds of broadcasts on our website, together with their brief descriptive summaries and several of Prof. Cohen’s other articles from this same period, thereby making this important material conveniently available to an additional audience at a very dangerous time. With Russiagate having finally collapsed only to be succeeded by Ukrainegate, I would particularly recommend his February interview entitled “How the Russiagate Investigation Is Sovietizing American Politics.”

Along with providing a helpful new distribution channel for such an eminent academic scholar, we have begun doing the same for Whitney Webb of MintPress News, whose remarkable investigative work has begun attracting a great deal of attention over the last year, breaking important new ground in the Jeffrey Epstein case and other controversial matters. Her long, copiously-reported articles have revealed important facts regularly excluded from the mainstream media, setting a new standard of courageous journalism.

 
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  1. dearieme says:

    I find some of your writing implausible, Mr Unz, but by God I admire you as a publisher.

    Please carry on being yourself.

    • Agree: MAOWASAYALI
    • Replies: @Richard B
  2. Cesca says:

    Seriously appreciate what you do to offer well researched information Ron and love rummaging thru your site.

    I’m a 20th C history revisionist too, had to learn loadsa guff for my Political Masters, thanks to my super intelligent Mum had a good, real history, grounding tho, which i’ve built on. A Whitney and Stephen archive would be seriously useful for easy access to research material, cheers. =)

    • Agree: Hail
  3. Yes, more Stephen Cohen…..

  4. Thou, too, sail on, O Unz Review!
    Sail on, O Website, strong and true!
    Humanity with all its fears,
    With all the hopes of future years,
    Hang breathless on thy fate, we do!

    Sail on, nor fear to breast the sea!
    Our hearts, our hopes, are all with thee.
    Our hearts, our hopes, our prayers, our tears,
    Our faith triumphant o’er our fears,
    Are all with thee! Are all with thee!

    • Agree: Ash Williams
  5. Whether people agree with your perspective and that of the authors is immaterial. What is important is that you have given them a place for their work to exist. Under the new Marxist Regime that is taking over America they will be eliminated and destroyed because anyone who doesn’t fall in line with the One Holy and Apostolic View will no longer be allowed to speak.

    Your site serves as bastion of what is left of free thought and humanity.

    Thank You!

    • Replies: @siamdave
  6. Laudable. Done what you can.

  7. When those who dispute a particular view of events quickly disappear from all public discussions, this may naturally intimidate the remainder, while any subsequent consistency becomes a synthetic artifact of selection-bias. And since the vast majority of later writers learn their histories within this sharply-restricted framework, the false reality they absorb gradually becomes self-perpetuating over time.

    Well-crafted statement of how distortions become embedded in the public mind.

    Thanks.

    btw, The Nation’s new editor, D D Guttenplan, dwells in the land of “synthetic artifact” re WWII.

    Guttenplan sat through every session of the legal battle between David Irving and Deborah Lipstadt, then wrote a book about the trial and the after-trial.

    In his summing up,

    British trial judge Charles Gray, “was at pains to clarify that his job was not to assess what did or did not happen in Hitler’s Germany: ‘That is a task for historians’ ,”

    but the opening words in Guttenplan’s book are:

    “This is the story of a trial. It is also a book about the Holocaust.” .

    Guttenplan continued:

    “This was a battle neither side could afford to lose. . . . Irving . . . risked his reputation as well as his livelihood. Defeat would mean professional ruin, and probable bankruptcy [as occurred]. “

    But for Lipstadt

    “the stakes were even higher . . . Lipstadt and her lawyers had to defend not just her veracity, but the integrity of all of those caught up in the Nazi onslaught. . . . If . . .Irving won, . . . the survivors of Auschwitz are branded as liars, and the suffering of the victims of the gas chambers is simply erased from the pages of history.”

    In short, the magazine that Steven Cohen’s esteemed wife edited for many years is now in the hands of one who lives in a “false reality” righteously confirmed by no less than a British court, in a state of “synthetic selection- bias.”

    Your work is not finished, Mr. Unz.

    • Agree: Dan Hayes
    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
  8. GeeBee says:

    I should just like to add my vote of thanks for your remarkable work, which is probably unique insofar as it presents views that, while they are often aired upon lesser platforms, are seldom, if ever, given exposure on such a high-value site. I very much hope that your platform continues to shine as a beacon of truth and fearless objectivity in a benighted world.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  9. iffen says:

    Yet there exists strong evidence that this factual consistency is more apparent than real,

    I’m coming around to the idea that WWII, like the moon landing, was played out in the (((Hollywood))) sound stages.

  10. Bravo for Stephen F. Cohen, Whitney Webb, and Ron Unz.

  11. My first “red pill” moment about National Socialist Germany came in the 1980s. My business is antiques, and back then I came across a huge archive of Nazi era German magazines and newspapers. I read in a 1942 issue of the Paris Signal a startling prediction of the U.S. invasion of Vietnam, and elsewhere how the phony American “democracy of dollars” is in fact run by Wall Street plutocrats and is scheming to become the new global superpower. And I read how the German Reich was as fearlessly committed to breaking the stranglehold of international capitalism as it was to destroying totalitarian communism.

    The strangest thing was I couldn’t find much “anti-Semitic” content in the archive, just an occasional derisive remark, and that was it. The illustrated weeklies had a few cartoons of Jews with great big noses getting up to all sorts of uncanny mischief, but you know what, I’ve seen dozens of 19th century issues of Life and other American magazines having exactly these same kinds of cartoons.

    In the subsequent thirty years of part-time research I have found that there is always a credible alternative explanation of what the Germans did and why, that contradicts the official narrative of their unspeakable evil and the truly bizarre theory that they wanted to take over the world.

    Historical revisionism is difficult and dangerous today because it exposes the truth that history’s bloodiest war was neither good nor necessary.

  12. JackOH says:

    Heroic work, Ron, and many thanks.

    Your description (paras. 2-4) of how we’ve dubiously achieved a popular and elite faux consensus about WWII is in my opinion spot on. I’ll sum up: Germans are the blackest evil and are rightfully on probation to this day. The European War was won when Americans stormed Omaha Beach. It’s all about Jews. The USSR, the UK, France—who’s that?

    There’s no disrespect, express or implied, to anyone in re-examining historical evidence and judgments to see how they hold up.

    Plus, as I’ve tried to suggest in a few of my comments, there’s a real danger in continuing to allow the comic-strip version of WWII to inform our current politics.

  13. A happy coincidence that this thread has opened and offers the chance to raise a question that struck me when watching, selectively, the History Channel’s Oliver Stone series, The Untold History of the United States.

    Particularly after watching/listening to Part 8 on George W. Bush and Obama it is difficult to believe in de facto censorship of the messages getting out to the general public. Since the criticisms of US policy and presidents are so weighty I suppose I should pose as follow up questions
    1. Is exposure to those persuasive History Channel programs, and to the historians, journalists and producers who make them, so small that they don’t count?

    2.Does it matter anyway what 99.9 per cent of Americans think about foreign policy?

    3. Should I have detected in the Oliver Stone programs a significant absence of reference to Israel? How much does that matter when it is far from obvious that Israel has an interest in promoting the stupid anti Russian policies which you have mentioned in connection with Professor Stephen Cohen’s criticisms. (The motivations of the neo-cons who wouldn’t dream of living in Israel and seem to be more American exceptionalists than Zionists could, I suggest, do with exploration.)

    *** *** ***

    Part of the value of TAC before UR and of UR is the application of your astringent intellect to the issues covered For that reason it would be good to get updates whenever there has been one of the rare “surely Ron can’t mean that” moments.

    (As background to show where I am coming from/ have arrived at for the moment: I am with you now in seeing that Israel under Sharon could be seen as having an equal motive with Osama bin Laden for the basic 4 plane version of 9/11 and that, if you prove demolitions or missiles, a process of elimination brings Israel to the fore, whether ot not Al Qaeda was seriously involved in initial planning. Again, for brevity, I think there is a huge advantage in asking of many alleged features “why would they bother/risk it?” Once you are down to indicting only Israel/Mossad – rather than Rumsfeld and Cheney – that becomes very potent.)

    One of thos surprising moments was particularly significant because you said it tipped the balance for you in favour of taking 9/11 truthers seriously. That was Osama bin Laden’s denial of responsibility for 9/11 shortly afterwards. Do you still think that was serious evidence against Al Qaeda involvement given
    1. He may have had to assure Mullah Omar about it
    2. He didn’t want to be blamed for America killing a lot of Afghans at that early stage when he might be the one who bore mist of the blame
    3. Americans were giving him all the credit he needed for 9/11?

    Next: given the importance of the “controlled demolition” theory of the building collapses is the fact that you repeat the inaccurate statement that the buildings collapsed “into their own footprints” [whatever that would prove to professionals]. They clearly did not. There were steel members projected well away from the “footprint”.

    Equally in need of revision I suggest is your apparent acceptance (or even the plausibility) of the idea that a missile hit the Pentagon, not a plane with passengers that didn’t leave debris. Maybe you are satisfied that the photo of an American Airlines tail on the Pentagon lawn is a fake (which could be very significant if the source of the fake was known). But what about the actual flight and its passengers? That’s the big one to grt out of the way if the missile theory isn’t too sound ludicrous.

    If one accepts commenter Vendetta’s rational approach we have, in the absence of prepared demolitions, to see cunning planning by Mossad to take advantage of Al Qaeda’s ready made jihadists and then it stares you in the face

    1. Don’t complicate things. Four civil airliners crashing into major buildings, or trying to is all you need (especially with friendly neo cons – and Rumsfeld per Richard Clarke – poised to pounce.

    2. Don’t plan to involve WTC7

    3. The famous passport can easily be fiited in as a Mossad plant if one assumes that the balance of plausibility was not found to weigh against.

    4. The unexpected collapse of WTC 1 and 2 happens exactly as you would expect if it was fire weakening plus gravity started by crashes resulting from the efforts of just adequate pilots. That’s the siimple explanation for the Tower struck later coming down first.

    *** *** ***

    I may not be the only one to find your suggestion that there are hundreds of reasons for disbelieving the “official story” of 9/11 opaque without those reasons being spelled out,with evidence. It may be a problem that I was not sufficiently enthused to read much of Ray Griffin’s or Christopher Bolleyn’s books that you apparently respect. I hazard a guess that you have not hired a young version of yourself to go through them with critical eye checking every key assertion.and footnote. My recollection is that Ray Stinnett was another initially plausible contrarian who didn’t measure up by thay standard.

    *** *** ***

    Conceded, as previously, that once “controlled demolition is proven much is up in the air but isn’t it strange that the initial sign up of 3000 or so out of the million(s) of potential architects and engineers for “truth” has remained unaugmented?

    It’s an indirect way of getting there but isn’t the near certainty that inly Israel/Mossad are alternatuves (or supplementaries) to Al Qaeda as 9/11 plotters reason to suppose that risky complications like demolitions simply did not take place?

    It is with the greatest respect for your scholarship and your analytical powers that I would welcome your considered update on 9/11 issues.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    , @skrik
  14. @Observator

    I’m not sure if my ‘straw man” objection got through. I meant to add to my assertion that America could have been justifiably apprehensive about a Germany – especially if allied to Japan – in control if much of Eurasia the point that propaganda about Americans having designs on France’s Indo Chinese possessions is just that: propaganda of a pretty obvious kind.

  15. wagelaborer says: • Website

    I just read the McNaron review in which he points out that the liberal/antifa agenda pushes diversity of human groups and cultures, but not of viewpoints. I think he nailed it.

    I appreciate this website for its diversity of viewpoints.

  16. Sorry, this was meant as reply to Observator and the software told me that I waa deleting this version incorrectly addressed as reply to you.

  17. Miggle says:
    @Observator

    I’d be interested to know how far back those hook-nose caricatures go. Close to the end of the 19th century the illustrator of Lewis Carroll’s Hunting the Snark places a picture of the banker near the front of the book, or somewhere, and the banker is hook-nosed, but there’s nothing at all concerning the Jews in the book. (Unless they are the snark??)

    So, I’m still wondering whether the big hooked nose originally signified a Jew, or just a banker; still wondering about the origins of the caricature.

    PS I bought a new copy, new reprint of Hunting the Snark about a decade ago or less, and there it was, the big nose, never suppressed by the publisher.

    • Replies: @Lot
    , @Skeptikal
  18. Thank you for all your hard work, and for the risks you are taking. No matter where you’re coming from, publishing the truth takes guts. We won’t forget it.

  19. I love your website Mr. Unz, and remain impressed that it has not been shut down by the “powers that be”, although I expect that any day. Anyone who reads history (outside high school and college textbooks) quickly learns that much of what is taught as history in our institutions is false. I found writing about current events frustrating as it made most readers angry because their minds are damaged by “education”.

    For example, during the Vietnam war polls showed that college-educated Americans were much more supportive of that mindless disaster than regular working people.

    I gave up trying to convince people of reality and now focus on clearing minds of cultural myths. I also recognized the need to adjust to our post-literate society by presenting historical truths in short video documentaries. So that’s what I do now at “Tales of the American Empire”:

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvq3YadD2uIFb7cFLbTtmFw/videos

  20. dfordoom says: • Website
    @iffen

    I’m coming around to the idea that WWII, like the moon landing, was played out in the (((Hollywood))) sound stages.

    Most people’s understanding of most historical events is formed by popular culture. This applies even to reasonably well-educated people. Most people’s ideas of the events of Richard III’s reign come from Shakespeare. Up until the mid-20th century most people’s understanding of the Middle Ages came from Tennyson and Sir Walter Scott. Today of course most people’s understanding of the Middle Ages comes from Monty Python and the Holy Grail.

  21. Dan Hayes says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    SolontoCroesus:

    With recent editorship changes, how long will Cohen be permitted to write in The Nation?

    I strongly suspect that Cohen’s UR association, peripheral that it might be, will not hold him in good stead with the magazine’s powers-that-be!

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  22. Sean says:

    Stephen F. Cohen is in a very different category from Whitney Webb. It’s cringeworthy that this piece mentions them in the same breath.

    • Disagree: SolontoCroesus
  23. Lot says:
    @Miggle

    “ and the banker is hook-nosed, but there’s nothing at all concerning the Jews“

    The old rivals of the Jewish bankers in the Middle Ages were their cousins, the Northern Italians, also a big nosed group. Some monastic houses also engaged in banking type activities.

    • Replies: @The Dark Night
  24. Greg Bacon says: • Website

    The growing popularity of this site shows that people–even Americans–thirst for truth and will respond intelligently, which most sites don’t allow, as you will get the boot if you stray from whatever talking point the High Priests of Journalism have decreed is dogma.

  25. dfordoom says: • Website
    @iffen

    I’m coming around to the idea that WWII, like the moon landing, was played out in the (((Hollywood))) sound stages.

    There is no such thing as an objective historian. Historians either have personal axes to grind or they have vested interests in pushing a particular line or at the very least they conform to a dominant ideology.

    There is for example the anti-Catholic bias in English histories. Mary I and James II are Literally Hitler. Philip II of Spain was Literally Hitler.

    Of course anyone who opposed English interests could expect to get the Literally Hitler treatment. Napoleon and Kaiser Wilhelm II were Literally Hitler.

    American historians rarely went as far as making George III or Lord North Literally Hitler but they could certainly expect to be cast as the bad guys. Those who opposed American interests, from Tojo to Castro, were Literally Hitlers.

    The present Chinese regime has a very strong vested interest in portraying Mao as Literally Hitler so a Chinese historian working today is unlikely to dare to portray Mao sympathetically.

    From the 1930s onwards the situation gets messier with a fierce struggle for ideological dominance. Depending on your political allegiances either the Confederates were Literally Nazis or Lincoln was Literally Hitler. Stalin could be a hero or Literally Hitler. The CIA and the FBI were Literally Nazis to the Old Left and the New Left but now anyone who opposes the CIA and the FBI is Literally Hitler. To British historians Churchill was usually the Great Hero but to some he is close to being Literally Hitler.

    All history is ideological.

    • Replies: @iffen
  26. Nodwink says:

    Here’s why alternative sites are so important.

    Investigative reporter Greg Palast has written what comes across as a rather sympathetic article about Las Vegas killer Stephen Paddock, who was a childhood friend of Palast*. Greg Palast is also related to one of the creators of Mossad, David Kimche.

    What do we make of this? I’m not sure — this is probably a coincidence, if an odd one. But at least we have this information. I would not have known about about the Palast-Kimche connection, if I had not stumbled across the work of Christopher Bollyn.

    *I won’t link to the piece, but anyone who reads it will find Palast’s presentation of his childhood friend as a victim quite provocative. Be warned.

    • Replies: @ploni almoni
  27. If people would just speak the truth about the six-pointed elephant in the room, we could move onto the problem-solving phase.

    • Replies: @Kratoklastes
  28. @iffen

    WW2 on a soundstage? No, dear, only the history was written for stage, the actual dying bit was done by poor people on all sides of that bankster-driven punishment upon Germany for not worshipping the Fed monetary system. The reason WW3 is mostly about poisoning the biome, is because dissenters (Gadhafi, Hussein, Assad etc.) do not have the military ability to stave off the Capitalicommunizionists as long as what Hitler managed, bless his merry socialist soul.
    History: Propaganda written by the victors. Or, as that little wanker Churchill said: “History shall be kind to me, for I shall write the history”.

  29. anonymous[340] • Disclaimer says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Before interacting with this “Wizard of Oz” character, be aware that he/she/they often draw other commenters in with questions and requests that are seldom resolved to his/her/their satisfaction, or with cryptic insinuations that distract discussion.

    The same person also fuzzes up threads by pretending to be more than one commenter, the technique known as “sock puppetry.” See under Mr. Derbyshire’s February 15, 2019, article comment ## 28, 42, 43, 44, 68, 122, where he/she/they got sloppy also posting as “Anon[436].”

    Among this website’s oddest, sophisticatedly trollish commenters.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  30. Dutch Boy says:

    Cohen also makes an occasional appearance on Tucker Carlson’s show.

  31. @Observator

    I’ve seen dozens of 19th century issues of Life and other American magazines having exactly these same kinds of cartoons.

    Nineteenth century issues of Life magazine? Life was founded by Henry Luce in 1936. I agree with your basic point about the need for historical revisionism. But details matter.

    • Replies: @John Regan
  32. @Cat Hierophant

    Observator is correct, however. Henry Luce didn’t start Life in 1936, he bought it and rebooted it. The original magazine was founded in 1883 by one John Ames Mitchell, back before Gentile publishers became an endangered species in America. As Observator alludes to, in those days it was accused of anti-Semitism for publishing the occasional Jewish-themed cartoon. Obviously, such never happened under the globalist Luce and his editorial coterie, made up largely of Communists and fellow-travelers.

    • Replies: @Cat Hierophant
  33. Richard B says:
    @dearieme

    And since the vast majority of later writers learn their histories within this sharply-restricted framework, the false reality they absorb gradually becomes self-perpetuating over time.

    This is because the question

    What is History?

    is never asked in our universities and hasn’t been for ages.

    That and related questions such as

    What is Language?

    What is Meaning?

    etc.

    The result is the false reality Mr. Unz mentions and the corresponding marginalization of great scholars like Professor Cohen.

    It also explains why public discourse is in the gutter (and also has been for ages).

    Dunning-Kruger Effect has helped name something that’s been around for a long time.

    The warnings started in the 19th century from committed social critics like Carlyle, Ruskin, Arnold and others, and continued with Ortega’s Revolt of the Masses 90 years ago and in the educational essays of writers like Jaques Barzun up until the 1980’s.

    But Identity Politics has been like putting Miracle Gro on Dunning-Kruger Effect.

    The impact this is having on our social-institutions in general and our teaching-learning institutions in particular is clearly observable.

    The ensuing cultural stagnation has led to a very real culture crisis and a devastating incoherence between the mission of the university and the sad reality of university life, or lack of it.

    They say no one changes until they hit bottom. But one wonders if the bottom we’re hitting now in this regard will be too great for any recovery.

    It very well may be.

    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again because it’s worth repeating.

    We shouldn’t laugh at the dinosaurs for getting themselves extinct.

    After all, they lasted a lot longer than we have so far.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  34. @Observator

    All wars are economic wars. Economics includes the land and what is in it. There are plenty of short books/pamphlets/articles, in English about what was happening in Germany and about Germany, after the NSDAP formed government, and many are positive about Germany’s solutions. Rebuilding their economy without debt, and trading commodity for commodity eliminated the need for the Bank of International Settlements, and Central Banks in general. That could not be allowed to continue. Their mantra- an economic system that meets the needs of the people, not a system where people meet the needs of the economy – can never be allowed to develop. Today, it is Venezuela in the cross hairs, as part of the Bolivarian Revolution is trading commodity for commodity.

    What most people are forbidden to know, is that most of the alleged German atrocities were ex post facto. That is, the western version of Stalinist Show Trials (otherwise known as Military Tribunal at Nuremberg) made them atrocities after the fact. There is a reason the German Constitutional Court ruled in 1956, that the legitimate government was the Wiemar Republic, not the occupation government that exists to this day.

    • Agree: Carolyn Yeager
  35. peterAUS says:
    @Richard B

    ….one wonders if the bottom we’re hitting now in this regard will be too great for any recovery.

    Yep.

    Assuming “we” are what The Bitch called “deplorables”.

  36. skrik says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    1st of all, I agree with anonymous[340] as to the nature and behaviour of theWazzer.

    2ndly, we should note that one deliberate lie kills all credibility stone-dead [“the photo of an American Airlines tail on the Pentagon lawn” – got any proof, Wazzer?] and only the weak-minded could possibly fall for [= be convinced by] theWazzer’s nonsense. Sooo, why bother, Wazzer?

    3rdly, to some substance, namely ‘free-fall’ and ‘into footprints.’

    Q, Wazzer: Why not involve WTC7? It did indeed free-fall into its own footprint – if the videos we’ve all seen are ‘believable.’ And here a discussion point: How much [if any] of the available video is real vs faked? IF one is to argue for ‘the standard narrative’ [= collapse due to fires due to hijacked aircraft impacts] THEN all video is valid, including a) an aircraft impact whereby the [light-construction] aircraft is seen to disappear entirely into a [massive-construction] tower at non-reduced speed, leaving no single piece to fall to the ground, say then b) the twin-tower collapses at *slightly less than* than free-fall (with some bits being flung widely outwards) and finally c) WTC7 oh, so neatly free-falling into its own footprint.

    To try to assert that all three towers fell due to fire is, IMHO, a sign of sheer [and in theWazzer’s case presumably deliberate] ignorance, since the nature of the construction would never allow any such. WTC7 was a ‘standard’ construction of a 3D matrix of steel beams. The only way it could go into free-fall [for some 8+ floors, say] would be for some 8+ lower floors to suddenly cease supporting those above. Fire just can’t do that. For a proof, imagine an oxy-acetylene flame directed at the side of a candle, what would be the effect of that? For WTCs 1&2, a ‘standard 3D matrix’ was in the massive core surrounded by a quite separate, lighter perimeter-wall construction, like a fat lattice-stick inside a thin tin can. Both the core and the perimeter were independently self-supporting. The floors were rather light steel trusses, topped by rather thin sheet-steel with a 10cm topping of light concrete. The truss-ends were welded to the core, but secured to the outer wall on sliding bearings, each guided by two 5/8th inch bolts in a slot. During construction, this allowed for slight movement of the walls relative to the core.

    Now, note that IF planes impacted the towers THEN the impacts did not cause the towers to immediately fall. Next, let’s consider a ‘gravity’ collapse. IF gravity [acting vertically] THEN why ejected [needing an outwards push] parts?

    Long-story short: IMHO, only explosive de-construction can explain both the videos and resulting debris piles. Weak minds may continue to argue otherwise – but that’s freedom, ain’t it?

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    , @Patricus
  37. iffen says:
    @dfordoom

    All history is ideological.

    “Those who control the present, control the past and those who control the past control the future.”

    ― George Orwell, 1984

    I will share an epiphany.

    I have always had trouble understanding the mechanics of how the elite achieve the desired cultural and social control. After getting a better understanding of its extent a few years ago, I couldn’t understand where the money was coming from that would support this vast revisionist and anti-Semitic colossus (so many little mumbling monks scribbling away year after year). It’s the elite! They frigging hedge their bets six ways to Sunday. Why try and get at the elite when it’s dem Jews that are screwing you over?

    • Replies: @Kratoklastes
  38. Skeptikal says:
    @Miggle

    For some new perspectives on Katrina vanden Heuvel’s father, check this out:

    https://isgp-studies.com/pilgrims-society-us-uk#anglo-american-nazi-alliance

    Just get to the page, then do a search (control + F) for “vanden Heuvel.

    Check out the photo caption. I would copy it here but the site doesn’t allow copying.

  39. @John Regan

    I see. My apologies to Observator, then.

    I had a somewhat similar experience. Once I was in a university library that had old issues of all kinds of publications (not just popular ones) out on the shelves where you could take out the bound volumes to read.

    It was fascinating. There were even British literary journals from the 18th century. I recall an article about native Africans, on the dispute over whether they were human or another species. We have answered that question long since, but the tone of the piece wasn’t hateful; it was a thoughtful attempt to determine the truth based on then-current knowledge.

    I discovered a magazine for antiques dealers, with what appeared to be scholarly studies about collections and designs. The text was in German and an old Fraktur-style font. The volume I looked through contained issues on a bimonthly schedule, beginning in 1943 and ending abruptly sometime in 1944. There were no later issues.

    I was a little taken aback. Germans who weren’t Nazi storm troopers but connoisseurs? Impossible! And no swastikas, other than one or two discreetly placed in display ads. Speaking of the ads, many were just for everyday products, including one for toothpaste. This may be belaboring the obvious now — whoever thought the Germans didn’t use toothpaste or sell antiques during the war? — but all I knew then about Nazi Germans was that they were absolute Evil. I couldn’t have imagined that they had ordinary lives.

    That doesn’t prove anything, of course. Dreadful conduct can coexist with the routine and unexceptionable (the “banality of evil”), or even artistic sophistication (even during the war, the Japanese continued to appreciate exquisite water colors and flower arrangements while torturing prisoners). But it might remind us that we, too, can do terrible things while supposedly crusading for freedom.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  40. Skeptikal says:

    J.P. MOrgan was famous for his large nose.

    My mother loved to tell us an apocryphal tale about The Nose.

    So, J.P. Morgan was in London on business, and he was invited to tea at Buckingham Palace.

    Queen Mary had been warned: “He has a very large nose. For heaven’s sake, don’t stare it it!”
    She was known to be challenged in the social graces dept.

    Morgan was ushered in.
    Queen Mary focused on his eyes—not his nose—as she welcomed him to her drawing room.
    Now tea was brought in. On the tray was set of silver tea implements, including of course a silver sugar bowl with silver tongs.

    Queen Mary busied herself with picking up the tea pot and pouring Morgan a cup of tea in a translucent porcelain cup.

    Then she picked up the silver sugar tongs, looked at him, and said, “Mr. Morgan, how many lumps in your nose?”

  41. @Roberto Masioni

    The six-pointed elephant is a symptom, not a cause. The cause is government; it is the causa causans – the sine qua non for any endeavour that would not be able to fund itself by convincing people to devote their own capital.

    Once the proper source of the problem is identified it becomes clear that the problem-solving phase is far lengthier than most people imagine: get rid of the problem, and a second problem arises (viz., how to prevent the first problem from re-emerging, when the bottom 80% of the adult population has the cognitive chops of a dim 9th grader).

    If the political class was exterminated to the last bureaucrat, there would be an ongoing requirement to ensure that nobody ever re-established a set of institutions that fraudulently claimed to have a legitimate monopoly on the use of violence (and therefore a legitimate ’emergent’ power to coerce anyone who disagreed with any edict).

    As we can observe readily in other former institutions based on fraud (e.g., organised religion): once the institution loses social power, megalomaniacal sociopaths no longer see the institution as an avenue for self-enrichment, and the institution goes into a tailspin.

    The Catholic church is a good example: it is still mind-blowingly rich, but it has lost most of its social power and is no longer a career destination for those of a political bent.

    Depending on people’s age, many will have lived in a time when the social power of Catholicism was immense. I was a kid in the mid-70s: at that point in time the Micks were still relatively powerful, both politically and socially; in my Dad’s youth they were far more powerful again.

    But that’s gone now – and a good thing.

    Result: the average age of priests is now ~70 in the West (63 in the US; 73 in Australia; 70 in Ireland) and nuns average ~75 and the raw numbers are declining faster than the congregation, which is declining faster than white population.

    In relatively short order, it will be possible to expropriate the Catholic church and distribute the retained proceeds of 15 centuries of fraud and force (for example: every piece of property seized from a ‘heretic’, and the value of possessions similarly seized – properly augmented with interest, of course).

    And that sort of dynamic would apply to politics if participation was voluntary – e.g., if participation in elections required a contractual agreement to be bound by its outcome and pay taxes, whether your side wins or not… but non-participants were not obliged to pay taxes, and concomitantly were not entitled to shitty government services either.

    The number of participants would fall into line with the number of church-going Catholics – because nobody involved would be able to mulct non-participants, and nobody would participate if they knew they had to fund the other side if they lost.

    And then all members and former members of the political class could also be expropriated.

    CODA on organised religion: Interestingly, there are some very small Orders that own property in their own right (i.e., independent of ‘head office’), and quite a few of those have property held in common, roughly equivalent to a zero-upfront tontine: last surviving member gets the property even if they join the day before they become the last.

    There are one or two that are down to less than a dozen participants: you’ll always see that they have 1 or 2 newcomers after each death, which means that people are keeping an eye on the odds.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  42. @skrik

    I didn’t address my points to someone with thw intellectual shortcomings you have already amply confirmed in the approx one third of youe emission that I have wasted my time on. Did you not even notice that I raised the question whether the picture of debris on the Pentagon lawn might be fake?

    Piss off and don’t try interfering incoherently in adult conversation.

  43. @Kratoklastes

    I have just read a marvelous piece by Ferdie Mount in the LRB on Enoch Powell. Your passion reminded me of it. I hope you find that complimentary, if also equivocally.

  44. @anonymous

    What a presumption! You take it on yourself to warn none other than the formidable Ron Unz, to whom my words were addressed, that he needs to think very carefully to protect himself against my sophistry.

    Perhaps you should simplify your message since even the half wit Skrik failed to take notice.

  45. A123 says:

    The side question is Deliberate purging vs. Incidental commercialism.

    Below is the Paul Harvey remaster (2) I originally shared month or two ago. Do you think he would have a chance in today’s Twitterverse?

    During the Cold War sudden Nuclear Armageddon loomed as a daily threat. The USSR was perceived as important to people’s day to day lives. Nowdays, due to the predatory SJW Common Core cirriculum, the average young American may not be able to find Russia on a globe. They certainly couldn’t do the math to figure out how far the countries are apart. (1)

    — So is the lack of in depth Russia coverage planned via silencing & purging?
    — Or, is it incidental because advertising based media cannot get desirable demographic clicks out of it?

    Among American males, the most recognized face in Ukranian-Russian geopolitics is Yulia Tymoshenko. No need to dig for a nefarious conspiracy when a hormone driven explanation is available.

    PEACE

    ____

    (1) Big Diomede in the Russian Territory and the Little Diomede Island administered by the United States. The distance between the two Islands is just 3 miles (4.8 kilometers). Yes. After Common Core, counting to three *is* a challenge.

    (2)

  46. @iffen

    I couldn’t understand where the money was coming from that would support this vast revisionist and anti-Semitic colossus

    We have very different conceptions about what constitutes a ‘colossus’, you and I.

    The elite have no interest in funding any movement that does not get in front of the eyes of a good chunk of the median-IQ population – unless the movement has a tangible, direct, current payoff.

    There is simply no payoff to funding revisionism – whether it’s
    ⓐ examination of the historicity of the claimed unpleasantness experienced by ‘deplorables’ in parts of Eastern Europe in the 1940s, or
    ⓑ straightforward examination where the question itself has no (((ethnoocultural dimension))) ( “Did Wilson intend – at the time of the 1916 election – to finagle US involvement in WWI?”; “Did FDR have a very specific aim of getting the US involved in WWII?”; “If steel-framed buildings are vulnerable to collapse when they catch fire, why haven’t any done so apart from 3 in NYC on one day, despite dozens of examples of skyscrapers on fire”?).

    As it turns out, both ⓐ and ⓑ, dispassionately investigated, generate significant evidence of quite overt involvement of {{{YKW}}} for various reasons.

    That’s not antisemitic: some of it is almost philosemitic, being partly motivated by concern for the impact on the lives of an ancient Semitic people – the Palestinians – caused by the an invasion by some non-semitic (or faux-semitic) Eastern Euopeans.

    David Irving got funded because he sold shitloads of books (that stopped, and so did his funding); others are involved in organisations that run on the change found behind couch cushions.

    .

    Such collosi as there are, are on the other side of the line.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @Wizard of Oz
    , @dfordoom
  47. @Cat Hierophant

    Good to find another civil and civilised Commenter on UR 🙂

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  48. peterAUS says:

    Two questions; one about the topic itself; another about 9/11.

    What is the percentage of “revisionists” who believe that Nazi Germany had, how to put it, interesting treatment and vision/solution for Slavs, Russians in particular? Or…how many of those believe/believed that the Nazi vision was quite unpleasant for those Slavs?
    10 %, tops?

    How was the rigging of The Towers, by explosives, done? Could anyone with expertise in related fields give a professional opinion/explanation?
    I am asking because once upon a time I attended a demolition course (or so I say….). Pure military application and on a small unit level; how to bring down a small building, big tree, decent wall…stuff like that.
    Based on that (brief) experience (and some other….) I assume that the work on rigging those towers must’ve been……..SERIOUS. Hundreds of men working full weekend. Or full week (night shift, for obvious reason). Two elements from there: some record/testimony of all that must’ve been left somewhere. And, somebody, so far, would’ve talked, somewhere.
    I am sure the above was addressed multiple times in the “community” and the resident experts have answers on a drop of a hat.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    , @peterAUS
  49. iffen says:
    @Kratoklastes

    The elite have no interest in funding any movement t …– unless the movement has a tangible, direct, current payoff.

    The talent pool that has the ability to organize and lead is small. Every slice taken out and rendered superfluous is a valuable payoff. Diversion is one of the best methods.

    We have very different conceptions about what constitutes a ‘colossus’, you and I.

    Perhaps my perspective was influenced by the piffling nature of the subject vis-a-vis the “industry.”

  50. @Kratoklastes

    I liked your par about the elites having no interest in funding a movement etc. What may seem obvious to an economist (say a 98% probability) is worth articulating.

    But now, what about stretching yourself by analysing the reason for elites stuffing up?

    Warm up test question: was Enoch Powell a part of the elites who doesn’t fund etc? (Ferdie Mount pointed out that he would have been leading the Conservative Party under its current rules at the time Ted Heath sacked him).

    So do elites stuff up and fail to achieve elites ends most because
    (a) they are stupid
    (b) different elements of the elites are irreconcilably opposed on some/most issues or out of naked self intetest
    (c) circumstances dear boy
    (d) unforseen catastrophe (they actually dropped the bomb on us/the Nile dried up for a few decades)
    (d) some elites are in bigger, stronger countries than others
    (e) people only have limited time to attend to anything so some eccentric like Bill Gates or whomever you choose of the multi billionaires can and does employ Goebbels standard skills to shape opinion critically?

    A special prize of 10,000 rupees or 50 trillion Reichsmarks for the most original answer; ditto for the most convincing.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @JackOH
  51. @peterAUS

    I hope you get an answer other than one from one of those who merely quotes the architectsandengineersfor911truth mob.

    Unless and until demolition is proven I see the explanation starting with only two roughly equal sources of motive: Al Qaeda/ObL and Israel/Mossad and, without demolitions only the contribution of the jihadists is certain. Differing degrees of Mossad involvement remain possible right down to not quite warning the FBI/other US government department or agency.

    So let’s hear it from really expert professionals. Why not on UR directly?

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  52. iffen says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    So do elites stuff up and fail to achieve elites ends

    Tell us when this happened.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  53. @iffen

    Of course my question is in part designed to counter question begging assumptions and tautologies such as your question seems to imply. But you might care to think of battles between isolationists and interveners, between protectionists and free traders, climate change worriers and climate change deniers – and also note that the US is not the only country in the world nor the unique reflecter of elite opinion and preferences. How about an extreme example: were Tojo and the militarists suddenly non elites when they failed to stop the Emperor surrendering?

    • Replies: @iffen
  54. peterAUS says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    [Commenters should confine 9/11 disputes to the 9/11 threads.]

    Well…this topic, with a couple of other, are the “specials” here.
    An article gets posted and the ..umph….”discussion” begins. Again and again.
    Understandable.

    I got my understanding for all that from one of those efforts some time ago here. Was still new to this site so I made an effort. The major contributor to my…I repeat…my….understanding was some fellow who, apparently, had some quite extensive expertise with building practices at the time there. Material, quality of work etc. Forgot his “handle”. Yes, could find it, but not important for this comment.

    [MORE]

    So, my understanding is: plane(s) hit the buildings, set them on fire etc. No explosives, with caveat, explained below.

    How the planes hit those buildings is another matter. From idea, through planning and execution.

    Did some people know but let it happen? Possible. Probable.
    Did some other people in that chain of decision making/command disregard warnings thinking those were wrong? Possible. Probable.
    Were there coverups after the event? Definitely. Were they about agendas? Possible and probable. Were some of coverups simply for covering somebody’s mistakes? Definitely.

    What is definitely true is that the event was seized by TPTBs, both for domestic and foreign agendas/policies.

    Now, some people will reply to this. Understandable.
    Not sorry to say I’ll try to reply only to those who, competently, address the issue of planted explosives, as in my previous comment. Preferably people from the industry. Demolition. I guess there are one or two lurking around this pub.
    There is a possibility that some explosives were planted there, by very people who knew that the planes were, say, about to hit the buildings in a…say…week.
    A COMBINATION of planes, fire, material, workmanship, blah..blah..and SMALL, skillfully planted, set of charges could’ve done the dead. Not more than a dozen men, working just one-night shift. That could explain the effect/result, probability of plant work and keeping it secret so far.
    So…hehe…the question for those in the know: possible?
    Expert work; the explosives simply a part of the calculation and a very small part (quantity/number of charges planted). Planes/fuel, say, 30 %, material 30 %, workmanship 30% and explosives only 10 %. Explosives as, sort of, “final nudge”. Something like that.
    You know (those one or two reading this)…. how to bring down a building already
    damaged/weakened by fire?Hehe…much easier than the same building before the fire.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  55. @peterAUS

    Well I thought I had said my last words on 9/11 above basically asking for Ron to being us up to date on his thinking but I have one more thing to say, not I think for the first time, and that is that, of there were demolitions you have to find a motive in making lots of money out of something being done for other reasons. So that means something like telling Larry Silverstein the reason to keep away on 9/11 and his fixing up to demolish the buildings which have just been reinsured as part of his financial deal. Once Mossad had tipped him off it couldn’t deny him the help to make it happen his way.

    • Replies: @skrik
  56. @Wizard of Oz

    If you are implying that you are also a civil and civilised commenter, perhaps you had better explain where your serial dishonesty fits in with that.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  57. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Kratoklastes

    There is simply no payoff to funding revisionism

    Actually I can see how there could be a very tempting and very definite payoff.

    There is a lot of anger and disillusionment among ordinary people. What really scares the ruling class is that the anger and disillusionment might be channelled into organised coherent resistance. The sort of threat that communism once posed to the ruling class. A good way to prevent organised coherent resistance from arising is to distract potential trouble-makers (the sorts of people who would make useful low-level organisers for a genuine resistance movement) with irrelevant nonsense.

    Irrelevant nonsense like arguing about whether the moon landings were faked, whether 9/11 was all controlled demolitions, whether the First World War was a Zionist conspiracy, whether it was the CIA or LBJ or the Illuminati who killed JFK, whether everyone who ever died suddenly was murdered by the Clintons, whether the Second World War was started by the Jews or the Freemasons or the commies, etc.

    As far as the ruling class is concerned it’s also an incredibly good thing for dissident rightists to be arguing over whether they hate Jews more than they hate blacks or whether they hate Muslims more than they hate Mexicans, and arguing about just how white their fantasy ethnostate is going to be. This sort of thing has the effect of discrediting all opposition to the current regime.

    So yeah, I can see lots of payoffs for the ruling class. It’s a matter of ensuring that no organised coherent opposition with large-scale mass support will ever threaten them.

    • Agree: iffen
    • Replies: @Sparkon
    , @Anon
    , @iffen
  58. Great going Mr Unz. For Americans the central intellectual issue of our time is understanding how and why we have been hoodwinked about WW2 – its nature ad causes – and WHO benefitted.
    Unz Review is by far the best source on this issue

  59. iffen says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Don’t I get even a few pennies of prize money?

    I don’t know much about Japan, but it is pretty clear that the military elite lost out. Let’s stay in the same time period. Did the German elite lose?

    Did the Southern landed elite lose? Who was in control after Redemption?

    Certainly we could say that the Russian nobility lost.

    Revolving warlords or one faction of the elite replacing another faction does not really qualify as losing.

    Have the open border global capitalists lost in contemporary politics? I don’t believe that they have lost. A little bit of a scare is all.

  60. JackOH says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Wizard, your list (a) through (e) is superb.

    I’ll just pick one to stage a brief reply:

    “(e) people only have limited time to attend to anything so some eccentric like Bill Gates or whomever you choose of the multi billionaires can and does employ Goebbels standard skills to shape opinion critically?” (my emphasis)

    Well, duh, yes, of course. At the low end of the food chain, people are preoccupied with getting by. At the higher end of the food chain, people are preoccupied with enjoying the benefits of disposable income, career advancement, good romantic and sexual opportunities, having and raising childrem, and so on—and getting by.

    Fight, flee, collaborate, or surrender? Fighting is very difficult; money guys control the megaphone for their reasons, although there’s a bit of wiggle room for individual guerrilla types with time on their hands and their hearts in the right place to make some difference.

    Fleeing is probably a good option only for the shrewdest. Emigration, going “off-grid” in some respect, such as a calculated refusal of promotion, home-schooling, etc. One of the sharpest tacks I knew was a manager trainee with Woolworth (yep!) in the 1960s. He told me he saw the direction American retail was headed, with little autonomy and income growth for local managers. He opened an unfinished furniture store with his own money, and made a comfortable living,

    We sometimes here make our governance and our governors sound as though they work from some esoteric handbook of how to stick it to us Untermenschen. They don’t, and we aren’t.

    What they do know is that their scrofulous deal-making is very hard to address, let alone rectify. Joe Schmud, the guy with the 350 IQ and multiple doctorates and a decent enough job, is just too damned busy living his life to mess it up with those 110 IQ night-school degree lawyers who’ve been cooking a scheme to fleece the taxpayers and put some serious jingle in their pockets.

  61. skrik says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    So your [current]

    last words on 9/11

    posit that WTCs 1,2&7 were struck by (((lightning))), and just in passing you tacitly accept demolition without daring to actually say so.

    Leopard, spots, change much? I note the comment 56:

    your serial dishonesty fits

  62. @NoseytheDuke

    Particulars please if you are willing to expose your intellectual deficiency which prevents you understanding and adhering to the clear definition of dishonesty.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  63. The Dark Night [AKA "Sagi Harari"] says:
    @Lot

    The Knights Templar were the first bankers in the Christendom. Also, most Jews have straight noses. A hook nose is called a Roman nose.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  64. Rurik says:
    @GeeBee

    I very much hope that your platform continues to shine as a beacon of truth and fearless objectivity in a benighted world.

    Agree!

  65. anonymous[340] • Disclaimer says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    See #29, above. Honestly, why’d you do that?

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  66. Sparkon says:
    @dfordoom

    Nice sentence fragment, a hodgepodge of unrelated items you’ve stuck together under your lead of “irrelevant nonsense,” just because you said so, even though you didn’t complete your thought, if you had one.

    Each issue must be evaluated on its own merits, and not by some arbitrary association, or inclusion in someone’s fanciful mish mash, which are the typical tricks of obfuscators.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  67. Anon[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @dfordoom

    One of the reasons the left goes after Trump is because he’s an organizer. The left are targeting all right-wing organizers. Right-wing speakers get hassled, right-wing rallies get hassled, and right-wing publications are being forced off the air. Right-wing internet commentators are getting doxxed. The left is doing its utmost to prevent right-wing organization of any kind. The truth is useful in destroying the left–the left keeps undermining itself by chronic lies–but the truth only appeals to those who have the patience to think a narrative through and who have complete honesty. We need other weapons.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  68. Rurik says:

    Once we begin to accept that there is considerable evidence that the history of the twentieth century believed by nearly all Americans may be in serious error and perhaps actually inverted, we naturally become far more willing to question our ongoing official narratives on important foreign and domestic policy matters.

    [my emphasis]

    Inverted?

    The Germans were the victims?! of the World Wars, while the Jewish Bolsheviks and Zionists and banksters..(and their goyim stooges Wilson, Churchill, FDR and Stalin) were the villains?

    Imagine if the history of those wars were even treated neutrally, with Germany and England and Russia and America all treated as equally self-serving, brash and reckless.

    But even as Bolshevik Russia gobbled up half of Europe in an un-consensual union, and England and America burned thousands of civilians alive for the sheer, sadistic pleasure it gave them to do so, it is Nazi Germany alone- who is savaged as the most evil regime of all of history, (bar none) because this war (between Western civilization and those who would destroy it) is not over yet.

    And the ‘Nazis’ will continue to be useful, as Brexiteers and Yellow Vesters and Deplorables all vie to persevere, in a era that has proclaimed them to be obsolete/inconvenient.

    And so Hollywood will churn out more ‘two-minute hates’ against the Germans, (and ‘rednecks’ and ‘racists’). And the narrative will be enforced with increasingly Orwellian pervasiveness across the entire spectrum.

    As has already been mentioned, The Unz Review seems like an anachronism today, in a world where politically correct censorship is de rigueur enforced, even now on the formerly free Internet.

    The Unz Review is an oasis of free thought in a desert of top-down imposed, agenda-driven lies.

    Moreover, the past media purges of dissenting academics and journalists allows us to more easily recognize the exact same developments taking place today, sometimes with very grave consequences.

    The widespread censorship and de-platforming of all cogent dissent, is metaphorically similar to the burning of the Library of Alexandria. Thought, reason and knowledge are often, if not always, the main obstacles to tyranny and oppression.

    What was it Stalin said; ‘Ideas are far more powerful than guns. We don’t let our people have guns. Why should we let them have ideas?’

    Growing up, and reading 1984 and other works, I was far too complacent about the future- because of all the lies that had been carefully implanted in my mind by the government schools and Hollywood, etc… The Ministry of Truth, had done its job on me.

    We had destroyed the evil threat of Nazism for all time!, and now we could all sit back and enjoy ‘freedom’. The Nazis were the worst evil the world had ever known. Their victims, ‘the Jews’, were the most innocent and persecuted people the world had ever known.

    But it was all a lie.

    • Replies: @Miro23
    , @turtle
  69. @Dan Hayes

    I Agreed in error to comment #22, just below yours. (Discovered that can be reversed. Clever.)

    I mostly Agree with your suspicion, that Cohen’s access to Nation may not be as comfortable as before.
    Although, I suspect Cohen would not fully, or maybe even partially, endorse the totality of Ron Unz’s views on holocaust, and might even lean more in the direction Mr Guttenplan.

    My impression is that Unz has a great deal of respect for Cohen. Goes to show that both men operate in the realm of ideas not ideology.

    • Agree: Dan Hayes
  70. Once we begin to accept that there is considerable evidence that the history of the twentieth century believed by nearly all Americans may be in serious error and perhaps actually inverted, we naturally become far more willing to question our ongoing official narratives on important foreign and domestic policy matters.

    It’s not just Americans. I had dinner with a few young Germans one evening in Dresden, and after I remarked about the restoration work of several major sites, the conversation wended into the firebombing and subsequent attacks on Dresden and nearly all major German towns. Oddly enough, I, of the “Allied Nations,” expressed shock and disgust at the barbarism of terror bombing of mostly civilian or non-combatant populations across Germany, while my young German interlocutors expressed the opinion that this was necessary to beat the Nazis, who were the true force of evil in the war.

    It is not so hard to understand why Germans acquiesce to some of the recent stupidity done in their name; they’ve been repeatedly browbeaten to believe their history — all of it — is evil, and they seem to feel deep down that Germany should no longer exist as a nation.

  71. peterAUS says:
    @peterAUS

    Re

    What is the percentage of “revisionists” who believe that Nazi Germany had, how to put it, interesting treatment and vision/solution for Slavs, Russians in particular? Or…how many of those believe/believed that the Nazi vision was quite unpleasant for those Slavs?
    10 %, tops?

    After skimming (keyword search based) through that “American Pravda: Understanding World War II’ material I guess I got the picture. 10% tops into 0%.
    Found two comments quote good:
    Comment .821 by Miro23.
    Comment .1081 by Franklin Ryckaert

    I just have a vague gut feeling about something going on in this pub……..quite smart something.

    All good, guys.

    As for the owner…..hehe…good work, man. You are good.
    No wonder……..

    • Replies: @refl
  72. Miro23 says:
    @Rurik

    As has already been mentioned, The Unz Review seems like an anachronism today, in a world where politically correct censorship is de rigueur enforced, even now on the formerly free Internet.

    The Unz Review is an oasis of free thought in a desert of top-down imposed, agenda-driven lies.

    ANACHRONISM
    noun [ C ]
    UK
    /əˈnæk.rə.nɪ.zəm/ US
    /əˈnæk.rə.nɪ.zəm/

    a person, thing, or idea that exists out of its time in history, especially one that happened or existed later than the period being shown, discussed, etc.:

    For some people, marriage is an anachronism from the days when women needed to be protected.

    dictionary.cambridge.org

    Well, even definitions in the UK are now politically correct. But agreed that UR is an oasis of free thought. After a long desert journey, some fresh water and dates are very welcome.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  73. refl says:
    @peterAUS

    Your question on revisionist views on the Nazi treatment of Slavs does not go quite far enough as to the general Western ignorance of the war in the East – and I am sort of a revisionist, as I have come to see on this site and elsewhere, that the picture that we generally are supposed to have of the era of the World Wars can not be other than wrong, and there is to this day little room for serious discussion.

    The western missunderstanding of the war in the East is next to complete. I will give a short example:
    Some time in the mid-1990s, then German President Roman Herzog had an interview with Polish journalists and they asked him about the Warsaw Uprising. The President then started his usual line of apologies – as was to be demanded from him in his position. Five minutes into the interview, the journalists realize, tha the President is not talking about the Warsaw Uprising but about the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising – which is a different affair. There you have a well-meaning, educated German of the highest possible political standing, and he simply does not even know what happened in the East in WWII.
    And it goes on. The current set of German politicians includes a non-entity who holds the office of Foreign Minister, who on Auschwitz-Day will bring up all the usual apologies and in the next moment will denounce Russia.
    The knowledge of WWII in the East has vanished completely, except for the Six Million -and I am not even starting to talk about what is true or not about the non-revisionist view of history.

    This ignorance of the war in the East owes itself to the fact, that the prejudice against Easterners continues to this day – the best example would be Russiagate. There you have something so moronic that the authors should be sued for high treason in the best interest of the US itself – and it fills the media and half the populace are swallowing it whole. Would anything like this be possible between Western countries? In fact, what I see is that Germans were treated the same way until the country finally broke down in WWII – for me , it is completely obvious that the Angloamericans are trying to pull a Germany on Russia.

    The fact that Slav people are in bitter opposition between each other and above all against Russia does not make this easier. It would be interesting to learn, once an unprejudiced discussion should be possible, how much of the German maltreatment of Slavs happened at the hand of Germans at all and how much were interethnic troubles, which the Germans were cluelessly trying to police. Maybe, the German treatment of the Slavs was comparable to the American treatment of Arabs in the aftermath of the Irak invasion. They were brutally uprooting the communities, but at the same time, they were trying to manage something that was far beyond their understanding.

    • Replies: @Miro23
  74. Miro23 says:
    @refl

    Maybe, the German treatment of the Slavs was comparable to the American treatment of Arabs in the aftermath of the Iraq invasion. They were brutally uprooting the communities, but at the same time, they were trying to manage something that was far beyond their understanding.

    Hitler had a very clear Imperialist based understanding of the war in the East. Ethnic Germans were “Ubermenschen” and ethnic Slavs were the “Untermenschen” and everything followed from that.

    Just a shame that the Untermenschen smashed the Wehrmacht at Stalingrad and Kursk, and went on to assault and destroyed Berlin.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
    , @refl
    , @peterAUS
    , @fnn
  75. @The Dark Night

    And Armenians were long thought equal in both noses and financial acumen.

  76. @Sparkon

    You seem to have missed his point completely which is quite consistent with your saying to him “No, no, issue X is important and should be followed up with honest precise research”. He might readily concede that you might have spotted an exception or two to his interesting view, contra Kratokastes point that itself is a shrewd observation, namely that big money will only be put behind heterodox research that promises a worthwhile payoff. It suggests, does it not, that distraction and fragmentation of opposition positions could be worth an “elite” buck or two?

    Further to still unanswered questions that I have posed, principally to Kratoklastes, maybe the term “elites” could be useful if defined to mean all the people who, from time to time, realistically regard themselves as having a fair chance of influencing the course of big issues for their polity (hence you could have local elites). This implies a model in which elites are by no means to be assumed to be all pulling together and should be born in mind whenever anyone makes glib, knowing, statements about actions of the “elites”. From here you move comfortably to the question for any given polity “is there something which unites, or could unite, the elites?”. Clearly the supremacy of the CCP in China or elements of tax policy in the capitalist US (sed quaere when you listen to Warren Buffett)?????

    • Replies: @Sparkon
  77. @anonymous

    You are not trying to emulate NtD’s crudity of intellect are you? Aha! Maybe you are, having discovered the possibilities of anon status, actually the saner half of NtD..

  78. anastasia says:

    Unz is an original thinker, wholly astute, incredibly brilliant and witty , a clear thinker. He is certainly not one of us, for he towers over us, but he relates to us as if he were one of us. There is so much research and thought going into every one of his articles, I wonder, if, when he is finished, if he feels exhausted? Every day, I look for a new article written by Ron Unz, but I am not disappointed when I have to wait, because they are all well worth waiting for.

  79. peterAUS says:
    @Miro23

    Hitler had a very clear Imperialist based understanding of the war in the East. Ethnic Germans were “Ubermenschen” and ethnic Slavs were the “Untermenschen” and everything followed from that.

    Pretty much.

  80. refl says:
    @Miro23

    You saddly have not understood at all, what I was saying:
    First, I introduced that sentence with ‘maybe’, which indicates clearly, that I don’t know. I wrote that an unbiased discussion of the topic is to this day impossible – you are senselessly cuting it off.
    Second, you will have to admit that numerous Slavs fought with the Germans during the war. The lot, who are fighting in the Ukraine today derive their tradition very much from them. Personally, I think, they are dead wrong, but nonetheless they are there.
    Third, I made the comparison with the US in Irak for a reason. That those brown people down there are regarded by the Angloamericans/ Zionists/ Neocons/ you name it as Untermenschen, is completely obvious.
    A western power stupidly enters into an area of ethnic strive that they do not understand, and see, where they end up.

    Finally, this here is ment to revise the historical narrative, and we have found the standard narrative to be wrong all over. So, you should take slightly more of an effort.

  81. iffen says:
    @dfordoom

    What really scares the ruling class is that the anger and disillusionment might be channelled into organised coherent resistance.

    It is clear enough that money goes into targeting any groups that arise, but I have trouble understanding the mechanics of how money could be targeted in such a manner as to inhibit the genesis of organized opposition. Is it mainly a shotgun approach, and when they draw blood they zero in on the bleeding target? On the other hand, the MSM is fully funded in its efforts. Just to mention one, they work to create the perpetual estrangement and aggrievement of non-whites which obviously pays hugh dividends for the ruling class. Once the “project” is up and running all that is necessary is placing the money on the right numbers in order to get the desired results. Also, it is easy enough to see how they target specific issues, say immigration control, and any political groups that arise around a specific issue. But I can’t understand the mechanics of how they could decide to target revisionists and the anti-Semite industry. It’s not like they have board meetings and committees reporting on proposed funding for specific projects.

    Is someone like the Wizard a paid employee, or is he just a free lance volunteer? It’s always good to have someone around who feigns ignorance of the existence of a ruling class.

  82. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Anon

    The left are targeting all right-wing organizers.

    The globalists are targeting all potential opposition organisers.

    What the globalists really fear is the rise of left-wing organisers who might go after Woke Capital.

  83. turtle says:
    @Rurik

    ‘Ideas are far more powerful than guns. We don’t let our people have guns. Why should we let them have ideas?’

    Thank you for that. Appropriate caption for an official portrait.
    Perhaps, in the Western world,

    When we want to know your opinion, we will tell you what it is.

    a.k.a. the “manufacture of consent”
    Who says U.S. industry is in decline?

    • Replies: @Rurik
  84. dfordoom says: • Website
    @iffen

    But I can’t understand the mechanics of how they could decide to target revisionists and the anti-Semite industry

    If you’re into conspiracy theories they could be encouraging revisionism and anti-semitism through agents provocateurs who are actually Feds.

    Given that the secret police agencies like the FBI and MI5 and Special Branch have been infiltrating political movements (and movements with any sort of political overtones) since WW2, and that in fact such infiltration and the planting of agents provocateurs has been standard operating procedure for secret police organisations since the 19th century, I’m not even sure it qualifies as a conspiracy theory. It’s more like established fact.

    What would really strain credibility would be to suggest that dissident right-wing groups are not riddled with agents provocateurs.

    I’ve been attacked in the past for not subscribing to conspiracy theories but this one seems to me to be very plausible and so likely as to be almost a certainty.

    And encouraging the sillier flights of revisionism and anti-semitism and similar stuff would be an incredibly good way to push potential opposition organisers into wasting their energies on irrelevant nonsense, as well as discrediting the very idea of opposing the agenda of Woke Capital.

    • Replies: @iffen
  85. @iffen

    I can’t understand the mechanics of how they could decide to target revisionists and the anti-Semite industry.

    The M.O. would be COINTELPRO like operations. These happen automatically when any hostile group gets the attention of the elites. The agents have to do _something_ other than eat donuts and sip coffee.

    The toolkit includes infiltration (create charismatic leaders who are really operatives), disinformation to cause confusion (for example, false attacks on potential allies), then at later stages provocation (for example provide weapons, explosives to assure bad stuff happens in the name of the targeted group).

    Intellectual and/or political action against well-entrenched elites is _very_ hazardous–full of land mines. They have had hundreds (if not thousands) of years to practice their tradecraft.

    • Agree: iffen
  86. dfordoom says: • Website
    @iffen

    On the subject the Feds infiltrating dissident groups it’s worth remembering that the sorts of people who become informers and agents provocateurs are often completely crazy themselves. In fact anyone who works in any capacity for the intelligence community or the secret police outfits like the FBI and MI5 is unlikely to be psychologically normal. It’s the sort of work that attracts misfits, cranks, the paranoid, the deluded, sociopaths, etc.

    So when you’ve got crazy informers infiltrating groups of crazy obsessives it can be almost impossible to tell which are the real crazies and which are the crazy Feds.

  87. siamdave says: • Website
    @niteranger

    – it’s not (true left) ‘marxists’ taking over the US, that is one of the major perverse lies they have people believing – it is ‘the right’ – ‘the true left’ is all about democracy and freedom, the true right – the current US deep state and all of their acolytes – are all about a secular religion, capitalism, and like all religions they are very much authoritarian in nature – enlightenment here for the open mind – http://www.rudemacedon.ca/vgi/backgrounders/collectivist%20plot%20omg.html

  88. iffen says:

    almost impossible to tell which are the real crazies and which are the crazy Feds.

    Another thing that can happen is that the “movement” takes on a life of its own and spirals beyond their control. I am reminded of the Tea Party which was seeded by the Koch brothers and other global capitalists and then had the doors blown off by actual grassroots participation that smothered the astroturf component. I wonder if they learned from this project the lesson that they should always install opportunistic leadership so that it will eventually collapse upon itself?

  89. iffen says:
    @dfordoom

    I agree with you and Justvisiting.

    I am not confused about their modi operandi, I just have trouble understanding how they decide which groups to target.

    Look back into the “60’s in the US when they targeted The NOI, Black Panthers, various commie groups and the KKK. The Panthers are no more and the NOI is a harmless group like the Black Hebrews that barely get into the news and it is doubtful that they command any attention from the Borg. The current KKK and assorted groups are likely more than 50% informers.

    I knew some of the white thrash in the KKK in the late 60’s and there is absolutely no way that they could have evolved into a threat.

    Do we know of any KKK leaders that were assassinated?

    How farfetched is it to believe that Malcolm X and MLK, Jr. were taken out because they were perceived to be a threat?

    Speaking of MLK, try to figure out how James Earl Ray became a suspect.

    They are losing their competence. In Vietnam they were able to secure an agreement with the North Vietnamese to stop killing us while we withdraw. They are unable to secure such an agreement with the Taliban and the Taliban couldn’t carry water for the commies in Vietnam.

    • Replies: @Justvisiting
    , @dfordoom
  90. peterAUS says:
    @Miro23

    You appear to be interested in the topic. A quick question:
    Have you come across any revisionist who shares your angle re Nazi vision/treatment of Slavs?

    Or, say, somebody who’s written:
    ….Nazi regime had several very good ideas and solutions…..Hitler had several moments of greatness, even genius….Holocaust, as depicted today, didn’t happen….Dresden was a war crime……treatment of German POWs after the war was despicable….
    …Lebensraum…..Slavic Untermensch…….treatment of Russian POWs was despicable
    …mass Russian rapes of German women were despicable…..
    Something like that.

    Just one?

    • Replies: @Miro23
    , @refl
  91. Miro23 says:
    @peterAUS

    You appear to be interested in the topic. A quick question:

    Have you come across any revisionist who shares your angle re Nazi vision/treatment of Slavs?
    Or, say, somebody who’s written:

    ….Nazi regime had several very good ideas and solutions…..Hitler had several moments of greatness, even genius….Holocaust, as depicted today, didn’t happen….Dresden was a war crime……treatment of German POWs after the war was despicable….
    …Lebensraum…..Slavic Untermensch…….treatment of Russian POWs was despicable
    …mass Russian rapes of German women were despicable…..

    Something like that.

    Just one?

    On these questions I prefer to go to the original sources (or as close as possible) to form an opinion. For example Hitler’s “Table Talk” is invaluable with his vision for German development and Eastern Empire. The non-formality is especially useful. It allowed a freer connection of ideas than prepared speeches. Because of the date (1942) it obviously only covers some of the issues you mention.

    It’s full of excellent practical ideas for equal opportunity development (for ethnic Germans) with the conversations covering finance, taxation, regional development, personal selection, the class system, administration, infrastructure, education etc.

    However, the conversations were recorded in his Eastern headquarters while “Barbarossa” was underway, with the bulk of the text concerning the future organization of his newly acquired Eastern Empire. Ethnic German settlement, founding of new towns, the introduction of a German elite, the physical destruction of Moscow and St. Petersburg, removal of all ethnic Slavs from the Crimea, conversion of Slavs to low grade worker status prohibiting anything other than elementary education etc.

    There are a fair number of references to Jews in the text. He saw them as destructive of society and wanted them out of Germany, but if one sentence sums it up, it’s from a conversation in the evening of 6th September 1942:

    P697 “Our gains in the West may add a measure of charm to our possessions and constitute a contribution to our general security, but our Eastern conquests are infinitely more precious, for they are the foundations of our very existence.”

    https://www.amazon.com/Hitlers-Table-Talk-1941-1944-Conversations/dp/1929631057/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=hitlers+table+talk%2C+oxford&qid=1570908341&s=books&sr=1-1

    To anticipate criticism, David Irving sees HTT as quite genuine, which is good enough for me.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
    , @John Regan
  92. Sparkon says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    No, I didn’t miss his point, which is old news. I took exception to the way he framed his trivial argument:

    A good way to prevent organised¹ coherent resistance from arising is to distract potential trouble-makers (the sorts of people who would make useful low-level organisers¹ for a genuine resistance movement) with irrelevant nonsense.

    Irrelevant nonsense like arguing about whether the moon landings were faked, whether 9/11 was all controlled demolitions, whether the First World War was a Zionist conspiracy, whether it was the CIA or LBJ or the Illuminati who killed JFK, whether everyone who ever died suddenly was murdered by the Clintons, whether the Second World War was started by the Jews or the Freemasons or the commies, etc.

    According to dfordoom’s outlook, if you have curiosity or offer analysis about 9/11, JFK, Apollo, or WWI, you’re just being distracted by “irrelevant nonsense,” and playing right into the hands of TPTB.

    However, other than his penultimate hyperbole about the Clintons, all of the other topics he cited are valid areas of inquiry with widespread interest and appeal as certified and underlined by the amount and intensity of comments about those topics right here at UR — 9/11, JFK, WWI, WWII — along with the noticeable efforts of various trolls to derail said discussions, salt them with disinformation, overwhelm them with long tedious off-topic posts, and so on.

    Fortunately some of us are armed with reasonably good powers of discrimination to help us separate the wheat from the chaff, and we’re not likely to let the clumsy attempts at broad-spectrum tarring deter our efforts, even if those efforts aren’t directed toward any “coherent resistance,” but rather toward a basic determination to find the truth and see justice served.

    ¹ In the U.S., it’s spelled “organize.” I take it dfordoom is writing in the Queen’s English, and may even be one of Her Majesty’s subjects, or at least under her spell.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  93. refl says:
    @peterAUS

    ….Nazi regime had several very good ideas and solutions

    I would never say so, as the Nazi regime simply executed plans that others had shelved. The deflation years of the early 1930s could have been ended by any ruler with the necessary brains. Deflation had been brought about deliberately and it could be ended deliberately.

    …..Hitler had several moments of greatness, even genius

    Which? To relie on the British to be allowed to rearm and then expect to be allowed to rule the continent was foolish, not genius.

    ….Holocaust, as depicted today, didn’t happen

    To say the least, any history that is revisited will present itself differently from what has been perceived before the revision. This is, what historians should do for a job. If you try this with the Holocaust, where it is urgently necessary, the discussion will be over and you will be in jail. You have not quite understood, how this discussion has been blocked off.

    ….Dresden was a war crime

    Not just Dresden, take Nagasaki for that matter. The second atomic bomb on Japan was dropped for no other reason but to show that you can do it not only with a uranium bomb but also with a plutonium bomb. Now that is what I call a really casual attitude to the lives of other peoples.

    ……treatment of German POWs after the war was despicable

    Again, try only just to mention the problem and be prosecuted – in this case not jail right away, hopefully, but you will at the least ruin your reputation, loose your job etc.

    …mass Russian rapes of German women were despicable

    I tell you that I grew up with that story, as it fitted so neatly the cold war hysteria that was quite planfully spread among the West German population – there was a reason to it, and it is folklore to this day.

    …Lebensraum…..Slavic Untermensch…….treatment of Russian POWs was despicable

    Russian POWs died in German camp at a rate of close to 60%, a number of about 3.3 mio people. This has been neglected in the Western version of WWII for all of the Cold War and even to this day, because it does not feed the narrative that Russia was and is again the enemy.
    You see, West Germans have been brainwashed in a form that allowed them to keep and nurture their antipathy of the Eastern Great Power, because they were to become dedicated vasalls of the Western Great Power. When you read German newspapers today, you find a hatred of Russia that equals Nazi propaganda.
    The propaganda has worked for the longest time, and I do know quite something about the evils of communism. You know your deal yourself, certainly.

    So what happens in your mind, when you read this:

    [MORE]

    The Catholic appeal then quotes the following from an affidavit
    signed by Hans Schmidt on June 25, 1948, concerning his treatment
    in the period September 17 to October 3, 1945:
    Seven of us were transported from the camp at Bad Aibling to Oberwcsel,
    where we were thrown into small cells stark naked. The cells in
    which three or four persons were incarcerated were six and a half by ten
    feet in size and had no windows or ventilation. The walls, ceiling, and
    door were covered with tight asbestos plates. On one wall there was an
    electric stove with a four-grade switch (type-plate 2,000 watts) which
    was switched on from outside.
    When we went to the lavatory we had to run through a lane of
    Americans who struck us with straps, brooms, cudgels, buckets, belts,
    and pistol holders to make us fall down. Our head, eyes, body, belly,
    and genitals were violently injured. A man stood inside the lavatory to
    beat us and spit on us. We returned to our cells through the same ordeal.
    The temperature in the cells was 140 Fahrenheit or more. During
    the first three days we were given only one cup of water and a small
    slice of bread. During the first days we perspired all the time, then perspiration
    stopped. We were kept standing chained back to back for
    hours. We suffered terribly from thirst, blood stagnation and mortification
    of the hands. From time to time water was poured on the almostred-
    hot radiators, filling the cells with steam, sa that we could hardly
    breathe.
    During all this time the cells were in darkness, except when the
    American soldiers entered and switched on electric bulbs of several hundred
    candle power which forced us to close our eyes.
    Our thirst became more and more cruel, so that our lips cracked, our
    OUR CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY 191
    tongues were stiff, and we eventually became apathetic, or raved, or
    collapsed.
    After enduring this torture for several days, we were given a small
    blanket to cover our nakedness, and driven to the courtyard outside.
    The uneven soil was covered with pebbles and slag and we were again
    beaten and finally driven back on our smashed and bleeding feet. While
    out of breath, burning cigarettes were pushed into our mouths, and
    each of us was forced to eat three or four of them. Meanwhile the
    American soldiers continued to hit us on eyes, head, and ears. Back in
    our cells we were pushed against the burning radiators, so that our skin
    was blistered.
    For thirteen days and nights we received the same treatment, tortured
    by heat and thirst. When we begged for water, our guards mocked
    us. When we fainted we were revived by being drenched with cold
    water.
    There was dirt everywhere and we were never allowed to wash, our
    inflamed eyes gave us terrible pain, we fainted continuously.
    Every twenty minutes or so our cell doors were opened arid the soldiers
    insulted and hit us. Whenever the doors were opened we had to
    stand still with our backs to the door. Two plates of food, spiced with
    salt, pepper, and mustard to make us thirstier, were given us daily. We
    ate in the dark on the floor. The thirst was the most terrible of all our
    tortures and we could not sleep.
    In this condition I was brought to trial. I fainted and was brought
    back to my cell. A sergeant with dirty fingernails tore my skin around
    the nipple, and I developed blood poisoning. The doctor treated me
    brutally and did not even disinfect the wound.
    This is only one of many accounts of the Gestapo-like tortures
    inflicted on German prisoners by Americans, before their guilt had
    been proved. I forbear to inflict on my readers the full tale of horror
    I heard in Germany, knowing that “atrocity stories” constitute
    popular reading only when the torturers, instead of the victims, are
    Germans.

    Or this:

    Colonel Everett’s action, nevertheless, forced the Army to take
    notice, and Secretary Royall appointed a commission to investigate
    his charges. This commission, sent to Germany in 1948, consisted
    of Judge Edward Leroy van Roden, of Delaware County, Pennsylvania,
    and Justice Gordon Simpson, of the Texas Supreme Court.
    The report made by these two American judges following their
    investigation, like so many other reports pertaining to Germany,
    has been kept secret from the American public. But Judge van
    Roden, after his return to the United States, gave a series of lectures
    and after-dinner speeches in which he stated that such thirddegree
    methods as the following were used to obtain the conviction
    of the Germans condemned to death, many of whom have already
    been hung:
    Beatings and brutal kickings; knocking-out of teeth and breaking
    of jaws; mock trials; solitary confinement; torture with burning
    splinters; the use of investigators pretending to be priests; starvation;
    and promises of acquittal. Speaking to the Chester Pike Rotary
    Club on December 14, 1948, Judge van Roden said: “All but
    two of the Germans in the 139 cases we investigated had been
    kicked in the testicles beyond repair. This was standard operating
    procedure with our American investigators.”
    He told of one German who had had lighted matchsticks forced
    under his fingernails by the American investigators to extort a confession,
    and had appeared at his trial with his fingers still bandaged
    from the atrocity.
    Another case mentioned by this American judge in his speech
    was that of an eighteen-year-old boy who, after a series of beatings,
    agreed to write a statement dictated to him by the American investigators.
    After they finished sixteen pages, the boy was locked
    up for the night. During the night the prisoners in the adjoining
    cells heard him saying, “I will not utter another lie,” and when his
    jailers came in the morning, he had hung himself from the cell bar.
    Nevertheless, the statement he had begun to write, and had killed
    himself rather than sign, was offered in evidence at the trial of
    other accused.

    This was all completely knew to me, when I read this. You can of cause question the veracity of such testimonies, but ask yourself the simple question: Atrocities have been the trade mark of American dealings with any enemy before and after WWII – these things have always been brushed beneath the carpet and they have always been known to be true to the more informed observer. So, how would they be not true in this one case exactly, when they were dealing with the Germans after WWII? The Western moral superiority does not exist and has never existed. Myself, as a German have been successfully brainwashed against the other Power. And as it happens with brainwashed people, once the spell has lost its effect, they will never take it again.

    I fear, you have not quite understood yet, what this is all about.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  94. peterAUS says:
    @Miro23

    HTT, quick search/scan:

    The Slavs are a mass of slaves, who feel the need of a master.

    The Slav peoples are not destined to live a cleanly life.

    In the Eastern territories I shall replace the Slav geographical titles by German names. The Crimea, for example, might be called Gothenland.

    Destroy their factories, and the Russians can’t rebuild them and set them working again.

    As for the ridiculous hundred million Slavs, we will mold the best of them to the shape that suits us, and we will isolate the rest of them in their own pig-styes; and anyone who talks about cherishing the local inhabitant and civilizing him, goes straight off into a concentration camp!

    ………etc.

    Informative.

    • Replies: @Miro23
    , @Hippopotamusdrome
  95. peterAUS says:
    @refl

    Long, thought out and civil reply/comment based on disagreement; calls for a bit of reply.

    Here it is: not quite sure what you are trying to say, I am afraid.
    So, you are mostly correct re

    ….I fear, you have not quite understood yet, what this is all about.

    Having said that I’ll try, though, based on (that most likely incorrect) understanding of your stuff.

    I would never say so…

    O.K.

    Which?

    Won’t say.

    If you try this with the Holocaust, where it is urgently necessary, the discussion will be over and you will be in jail. You have not quite understood, how this discussion has been blocked off.

    O.K.

    Again, try only just to mention the problem and be prosecuted – in this case not jail right away, hopefully, but you will at the least ruin your reputation, loose your job etc.

    Don’t say.

    …it is folklore to this day.

    O.K.

    .

    …Russian POWs died in German camp at a rate of close to 60%, a number of about 3.3 mio people.

    Pretty much.

    So what happens in your mind, when you read this:

    Word “nonsense” keeps coming up. Just me.
    as

    ….You can of cause question the veracity of such testimonies….

    Definitely.

    As for

    …. as it happens with brainwashed people, once the spell has lost its effect, they will never take it again.

    there is another possibility.

    • Replies: @refl
  96. @iffen

    From their point of view it is better to target too many groups than too few–the intelligence budgets are almost infinite at this point–they have to do _something_.

    They can always step away if they choose to do so.

    My view is that they were behind all of the major assassinations of the modern (post WWII) era.

    “Lone nut” is a meme they created for media and public consumption.

    Real assassinations require a _lot_ of planning, logistics and tactics–and even all of that does not assure success on each attempt.

  97. Miro23 says:
    @peterAUS

    Even the Amazon.com summary of HTT gets it back to front:

    “One of the most significant documents of recent history. This book records private, off the record, informal conversations of a man, who, more than anyone else, came close to destroying the Western world.”

    In reality he was OK with the Western world.

    The place that he came close to destroying was the Eastern (Slavonic) world. He failed for various reasons, but the primary one was that the Russians fought with unbelievable tenacity despite massive loses – nothing at all like France – which may have fatally formed Hitler’s expectations.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  98. peterAUS says:
    @Miro23

    …the Russians fought with unbelievable tenacity despite massive loses…

    And there was The Catch. When the Russians realized what that war was really all about.

    Somebody could even think ..had the war against France been of the same type maybe the French would’ve fought with the same tenacity.

    Some, also, believe that the war with Finland formed Hitler’s opinion about the Red Army.

    My angle about all this, and related, topics is simple: Russian tolerance of Nacional Socialism. Or, better, lack of it.
    In practical terms (the only which really matter): TPTBs in the West are definitely intolerant about any element of National Socialism. That’s the problem big enough for any movement trying to put that in practice, anywhere.
    And, on top of it, Russians.

    Make of that what you will.

  99. dfordoom says: • Website
    @iffen

    I knew some of the white thrash in the KKK in the late 60’s and there is absolutely no way that they could have evolved into a threat.

    From the point of view of the intelligence agencies the threats don’t have to be real. They just have to sound real, and scary. The main purpose of the intelligence agencies is to ensure that the intelligence agencies continue to exist and continue to be generously funded. If you can’t find a viable threat you can always make one up.

  100. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Sparkon

    According to dfordoom’s outlook, if you have curiosity or offer analysis about 9/11, JFK, Apollo, or WWI, you’re just being distracted by “irrelevant nonsense,” and playing right into the hands of TPTB.

    Yup. If you want to make TPTB really happy just keep waffling on about 9/11, JFK and the moon landings. But whatever you do don’t start asking questions about why the so-called modern Left is funded by billionaires and bankers, or why young Americans get sent off to die in places like Afghanistan, or why it doesn’t seem to matter whom you vote for the billionaires just keep getting richer. If you start asking those questions you might start questioning the very foundations of society – the right of billionaires to get richer.

    WW1 is at least interesting in that it provides insights into the way statesmen blunder their way into disasters.

    But if you’re obsessing about the moon landings or 9/11 or JFK then you really are wasting time and energy on utter nonsense.

    • Replies: @Sparkon
  101. fnn says:
    @Miro23

    Russiagate reveals that Western elites have the same attitude towards Russia that Hitler had. For example:

    During an interview with NBC’s Chuck Todd on May 28, Clapper said, “If you put that in context with everything else we knew the Russians were doing to interfere with the election,” he said. “And just the historical practices of the Russians, who typically, are almost genetically driven to co-opt, penetrate, gain favor, whatever, which is a typical Russian technique. So, we were concerned.”

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  102. dfordoom says: • Website
    @fnn

    Russiagate reveals that Western elites have the same attitude towards Russia that Hitler had.

    It’s extraordinary how much of neoliberal foreign policy is driven by plain old-fashioned xenophobia and even out-and-out racism. You can’t trust the Russkies or the Chinese or the Iranians or whatever, because they’re dirty foreigners.

  103. Sparkon says:
    @dfordoom

    No, you’re wrong.

    In the first place, 9/11 and JFK’s assassination remain unsolved crimes. They are therefore hardly “utter nonsense,” as your special pleading would have the credulous believe.

    There is no statute of limitations on murder. Many of us would like to see the responsible criminals brought to justice, but in your mind that is an “obsession.”

    but whatever you do don’t start asking questions about why the so-called modern Left is funded by billionaires and bankers

    You’re burdened by the misapprehension that these areas of inquiry are mutually exclusive, that it’s an either-or proposition, which is simply another clumsy attempt to render a false dichotomy, and point us toward the ‘droids we really should be looking for.

    Again, each issue must be evaluated on its own merits. Take one thing at a time. Mathematicians do not mix factors from different equations. Until you understand that point, you’ll be condemned to fallacious argumentation, and assigned a seat in the intellectual peanut gallery, where you may be inspired by others who think like you do:

    Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories concerning the attacks of September the 11th, malicious lies that attempt to shift the blame away from the terrorists, themselves, away from the guilty.

    — Pres. Geo. W. Bush, Nov. 10, 2001, speech to the UN

    Already by Nov. 10, Pres. Bush was so concerned about “outrageous conspiracy theories” that he went to the UN to kvetch warn about them, dangerous things that they are.

    Too bad Bush didn’t seize the chance to take action on 9/11, but instead remained glued to his chair while NYC was under attack, taking his cue orders apparently from press secretary Ari Fleischer, who was holding up a sign discretely from the back of the Florida classroom that read:

    DON’T SAY ANYTHING YET

    Hmm. Does that constitute an outrageous conspiracy yet?

  104. refl says:
    @peterAUS

    Thank you for your replie. I would not dismiss the quotes (by the way, from Freda Utley’s “The High Costs of Vengeance”) as nonsense.

    The problem is, that when you accept them, just so many other things fall apart. You lack an experience that Germans and anyone east of Germany has, which is that your world view is turned upside down.

    [MORE]

    My own formative experience in life was the fall of the Berlin Wall at the time, when I left school. There might not have been a generation for which progress was as real as for a German coming of age around nineteen ninety. You had gone through a decade when everything that was wrong magically turned right.

    I had seen the peoples movements across Eastern Europe and I was fascinated. There was another world, where people were having the courage to do the right thing, and there were leaders who understood that their time was up. Then the Wall came down and in a moment I realized that this was my own world. Those far away people behind the Iron Curtain were entering my life.
    This was the mindshifting experience for me as a young West German. Later on, I got to know people from different countries in the East, with different stories. Mine was, however, so positive that the experience caried me through the larger part of my life.

    There was one odd thing, though: Fascism had been overcome, Communism had been overcome, democracy ruled supreme, and now we were all sitting together on that Great Train of human progress, which was about to leave the station. It somehow could not leave, because some strange people in some strange land still had to be persuaded not to block the track any longer (Yugoslavia, Irak, several others).

    And so it went. It turned ever more violent after 9/11 and in their fury, the US somehow made some strange mistake. Then, there were these color revolutions in these strange countries, that were rushing to join the Train.

    And then something happened, that changed the frame: They were selling me something as a Peacefull Revolution in the Ukraine, that definitely was not. I had calculated myself, silently, that a civil war was likely to break out in Ukraine after similar events had taken place in Georgia a few years earlier on. I am certainly not extremely intelligent, but I could gather that much. So, I learned that it is not difficult to foretell history, and I knew the culprits.

    That was that moment, when again I realized that those events in some strange land were happening in my world and in time would affect me.

    Since then, the world I inhabitate has been hit by succesive and accelerating crises, where you would not wonder if a real large scale shooting war would break out. In fact, I believe that such a thing would have happened already, if anyone knew how to handle it with present day weaponry. So, instead we get the hybrid version, and I can tell you, that it is not going well for the lot who claim me as theirs.
    It took me half my life to learn that there never was that Great Train of Progress. The superior life form, that I had been born into thanks to the defeat of my own country that stupidly had not grasped it, never had existed.

    What we have here, is a change of paradigm, and this demands us to crawl back in history, to see, which events brought this all about. In the course of this, you will learn to speak to yourself the forbidden words: “My country is not a democracy.”
    On the related thread, some old lady who is plastering her comments all over, accused me of always taking sides with the Slavs. It certainly happens, because there the people always knew about the real action, and I am sure that they will laugh at my wisdom.
    What I am telling you is that you should learn to think of events the other way round. I cannot tell you, what is right, but the times for the self serving Western narrative are coming to an end. That is, what this site is for.

  105. @peterAUS

    Putting aside for the moment whether or not Table Talks is real or not…

    we will mold the best of them to the shape that suits us, and we will isolate the rest of them in their own pig-styes

    Wait…I thaught the liebenscaust called for the extermination of Slavs. “We will mold the best of them” while paternalistic, implies non-extermination.

  106. Rurik says:
    @Miro23

    But agreed that UR is an oasis of free thought.

    A pall of darkness is inexorably engulfing the Western world.

    I suspect much like the Dark Ages descended over Europe for centuries, -and was enforced with widespread torture. So too America now openly runs a torture camp and assassinates American citizens for heresy to Zionism, our new state-enforced religion.

    What, if not a modern-day Galileo, is Julian Assange, who languishes in a prison, for the ‘crime’ of telling the truth?

    How many thousands of innocent people all over Europe, are punished for the ‘crime’ of giving their opinions?

    What does it say about the Western world when they imprison a 90 year old grandmother for simply telling the truth?

    How brave we are!

    How noble and honorable and enlightened!

    Millions of innocents slaughtered or displaced, entire nations destroyed… all in slavish servility to Zionism.

    And any soul brave enough to question the orthodoxy of this modern-day Dark Age tyranny over the mind of man, will be ‘excommunicated’ as surely as Muammar Gaddafi was tortured to death.

    A depraved moral and intellectual cowardice has descended like a morass over our discourse. The elites of the (dying) West are venal whores all. Jessie Ventura bragged that he didn’t sell out on the cheap! It costs the ((PTB)) $10 million to purchase Jessie’s complicity, so I guess we should at least give him some credit, no?


    >><<

    For how long will this inimitable bastion of intellectual and moral dignity ~ The Unz Review ~ hold out against the ubiquitous and encroaching forces of banality?

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  107. Rurik says:
    @turtle

    ‘Ideas are far more powerful than guns. We don’t let our people have guns. Why should we let them have ideas?’

    Appropriate caption for an official portrait” .. of “the Western world”

    yep

  108. rotekz says:

    This is a wonderful series Mr Unz. The best, really. Thank you for the PDF feature.

    I have combined the 36 articles to a single PDF with a table of contents and bookmarks. Hopefully this will make it more convenient for folks to backup, use e-readers and share.

    https://mega.nz/#!jaQiiKgY!gAmyTYKAthfhraUIuqPA4tIGOGVyn2f-TslBMVp1SvI

  109. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Rurik

    A depraved moral and intellectual cowardice has descended like a morass over our discourse. The elites of the (dying) West are venal whores all.

    I agree. Although I think that the really crucial underlying problem is global capitalism rather than Zionism.

    I’m no Zionist. Far from it. And I think that Zionism has led the U.S. into a series of catastrophic foreign policy blunders. But I don’t think Zionism explains everything. It doesn’t explain the drive to destroy the family. It doesn’t explain the drive to normalise sexual deviance. It doesn’t explain the promotion of mindless hedonism and consumerism. It doesn’t explain the drive to outlaw criticism of the global capitalist project. It doesn’t explain the drive to destroy nation states. Zionism doesn’t explain those things, but global capitalism does.

    But you’re certain correct that we are entering the new Dark Ages.

    • Replies: @JackOH
    , @skrik
    , @iffen
    , @Rurik
  110. JackOH says:
    @dfordoom

    dfordoom, yep, pretty much agree, tone and substance.

    Global capital’s great masterstroke in my personal opinion was to co-opt (or “encapsulate” or “capture”) those 1960s New Leftish impulses (minority rights, feminism, etc.) and use them to deflect or beat down traditional wage and hour demands from the Old Left, mostly unions.

    FWIW-a century ago in my area, the ethnic and Black stoop labor working brutal jobs at crap wages had meliorating institutions–church, family, ethnic solidarity, tradition, and what-not. The ethnics and Blacks here now have less brutal jobs still at crap wages, but there’s little to buffer them from being merely production and consumption monkeys.

  111. skrik says:
    @dfordoom

    Perhaps Zionism is only one part of the dreadful fallout from (((a specific religion/diseased mindset)))?

    • Replies: @skrik
  112. skrik says:
    @skrik

    [cont.] Global capitalism doesn’t ‘do’ the PC disease, say, or the LGBTIQ nonsense.

  113. iffen says:
    @dfordoom

    … Between the desire, And the spasm …

    This is the way the world ends
    This is the way the world ends
    This is the way the world ends
    Not with a bang but a whimper.

    —T.S. Eliot, “The Hollow Men” (1925)

    Actual hollow men, and the poem, apropos to our time.

  114. Rurik says:
    @dfordoom

    But I don’t think Zionism explains everything. It doesn’t explain the drive to destroy the family. It doesn’t explain the drive to normalise sexual deviance. It doesn’t explain the promotion of mindless hedonism and consumerism. It doesn’t explain the drive to outlaw criticism of the global capitalist project. It doesn’t explain the drive to destroy nation states. Zionism doesn’t explain those things, but global capitalism does.

    Hmm..

    First off, I’m no fan of global capitalism. Not hardly. In fact, I call it crony capitalism, because it’s corrupt, self-serving, and used to pick winners and losers based on the whims of the ((central banksters)).

    When the Fed refuses to tell a congressional committee whom it handed a few trillion dollars to (conjured out of thin air), and under what conditions, the Fed simply says…

    [MORE]

    ‘The Federal Reserve Answers to No One’

    You don’t get any more ‘global capitalism’ than the power to print unlimited trillions of dollars and hand them out to your buddies in secret deals.

    The Fed and Goldman Sachs and the US Treasury are the center of nefarious global cabal of crony capitalism, and you’re right, it’s a black hole of criminality, theft, rapine, greed and global manipulation. The sooner it’s burned to the ground, the sooner the people of the planet will be free of a fiend that sucks the blood from their collective vein$ and impoverishes entire nations on behalf of a handful of uber-wealthy super-criminals.

    Now, as to “Zionism explains everything”.

    No, of course it doesn’t. But it was funded by the same tribe of NY Jewish banksters that funded Bolshevism and are pulling the strings of global capitalism today.

    So Zionism and global crony capitalism and the Eternal Wars are all very much intertwined.

    But for the sake of expediency, we should draw a line between Zionism per se, and what I like to call ‘Jewish supremacism’.

    Like global crony capitalism, Zionism and Jewish supremacism are related, and often intertwined, but they’re not one and the same thing.

    Zionism is the establishment of the state of Israel, and all the attendant genocide and horrors and atrocities and regional destabilizations. Including the occupation of the governments and media of N. America and Europe, (and Germany, France and England.. in particular).

    What would happen to a German public figure if he simply proclaimed the obvious; that ‘Israel has no right to exist’ ?

    Even a respected, and even revered American journalist (Helen Thomas) was excoriated and excommunicated for mentioning the plain truth; that the genocidal Jewish supremacists of “Israel” go back to Poland (and Russia and Lithuania and Ukraine. etc..) where they came from. (I’m not as strident as that ; )

    But let us consider “Zionism explains everything. It doesn’t explain the drive to destroy the family. It doesn’t explain the drive to normalise sexual deviance.”

    These things you mention, are not driven by Zionism, but they are driven by Jewish supremacism.

    Whom, if not the Jewish bosses and producers and directors and activists.. of (((Hollywood))), and the (((music industry))), and (((Madison Ave.))), and (((book publishing))), are the ones behind the moral and spiritual rot in the West? Eh?

    When you look under the rock of porn, who do you see scurrying like cockroaches?

    When you look at the organizations calling conservative Christians trying to protect family values ‘hate organizations’, who are the people running the SPLC or the ADL?

    If the Supreme Court were stacked with nothing but Kagans and Ginsburgs, would American Christians be compelled to bake the homo “wedding” cake? (yes, they would ; )

    What kind of society was Weimar Germany, and what was the moral tone during that cruel and depraved occupation?

    What is the moral tone of Tel Aviv? Have you seen their homomania-parades?

    If I put up a Nativity Scene in my small Southern town square, (((whom))) is it that will file a law suit?

    If I declare that a marriage is between a man and a woman, the homos of the world would get nowhere without the committed collaboration of the tribe.

    I’m assuming you know all this, (most thoughtful people do) as it’s really glaringly obvious, but it seems you wanted me to put a fine point on it all, and I don’t shirk from that.

    Does Zionism or Jewish supremacism explain the extinction of the rhinos or the increasingly toxic oceans? No. Does it explain the hostilities between the Hutus and the Tutsis or the Troubles in Northern Ireland? No. There are a lot of things that are happening and going on that have zero to do with Zionism or Jewish spremacism. China for instance is largely immune from the ravages of Z or JS, and yet they have their share of problems, including the greed and corruption lingering in man’s psyche.

    So, just as we should always take care not to give blanket explanations for ‘all the problems of the world’, so too we shouldn’t shirk from naming names out of some misguided sense of probity.

    Global capitalism is a menace, and much of it has little or nothing to do with Jews.

    But it would also be a folly to ignore the (((central banks))) or (((Wall Street))), when discussing that issue.

    . It doesn’t explain the drive to destroy nation states. Zionism doesn’t explain those things, but global capitalism does.

    The drive to destroy the nation-state is a transparently Jewish supremacist imperative.

    They have allies, to be sure, but at its black-heart, it is Jewish supremacists that are demanding the absolute destruction of the Western nation-state. (and the genocide/replacement of its people ; )

    ‘It is written’

    • Agree: John Regan
    • Replies: @dfordoom
  115. @Miro23

    “Hitler’s Table Talk” is authentic, and pretty much proves that Hitler had a rather low opinion of the Soviet peoples circa 1941. However, even though the documents are real, there are still a couple of important things to keep in mind when using them as a historical source:

    * This was Hitler blowing off steam at the dinner table after a long day’s work, so there will be a fair bit of “tough guy” talk where the bark is worse than the bite. To use a somewhat flawed analogy, Donald Trump’s tweets today are not synonymous with his actual policy. Similarly, the policy documents Hitler signed tended to be more nuanced than his table talk obiter dicta.

    * Hitler’s views changed over time. The “Table Talk” basically ends in 1942, so the evolution of his views on Russia can’t really be seen there, but other sources reveal that they improved as he saw how hard and capably the Soviet peoples worked and fought. Already by 1942, he ordered that good Soviet workers should be considered for German citizenship, so they would be encouraged to stay in Germany after the war rather than go back home to the USSR. This, of course, was a large change as compared to the very condescending comments recorded earlier.

    So, the “Table Talk” is a very useful historical source (perhaps even the single best one on Hitler’s opinions), but it must still be supplemented with others to obtain a more complete picture. Overreliance on the “Table Talk” alone can easily give an unbalanced view of Hitler and his system.

    • Replies: @Miro23
  116. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Rurik

    Whom, if not the Jewish bosses and producers and directors and activists.. of (((Hollywood))), and the (((music industry))), and (((Madison Ave.))), and (((book publishing))), are the ones behind the moral and spiritual rot in the West? Eh?

    The moral and spiritual rot in the West started with the Enlightenment, and the rise of capitalism. It’s been a long slow process. We did it to ourselves.

    Jews certainly got caught up in it. You could argue, and indeed I would argue, that it was the West that corrupted Jews, undermined their religion (the Jews who cause real problems are almost always the atheist Jews), undermined their culture and traditions and turned Jews from a close-knit religious community into rootless cosmopolitans.

    If you look at the movie and music industries, advertising and book publishing then those fields are definitely hopelessly corrupted but everyone in those industries, jew or gentile, black or white, Asian or European, is equally corrupted. In countries like Australia where there are very few Jews those fields are just as corrupted.

    There are certainly plenty of Jews contributing actively to wrecking western civilisation but they’re not the root cause of the problem. We did it to ourselves and we need to put on our big-boy pants and accept responsibility. Our western civilisation has destroyed itself and it’s now destroying all the other civilisations on the planet. Jews are a problem insofar as they’ve been infected by the same madness. Just as many Asian immigrants have been infected.

    And the end results are going to be disastrous for all, including the Jews.

    • Replies: @iffen
  117. Miro23 says:
    @John Regan

    Hitler’s views changed over time. The “Table Talk” basically ends in 1942, so the evolution of his views on Russia can’t really be seen there, but other sources reveal that they improved as he saw how hard and capably the Soviet peoples worked and fought.

    I agree, but there was still aomething of it in the later conversations (prior to Stalingrad and Kursk).

    DEFEAT AT MOSCOW – (162) “Sunday will be the 1st March (1942). Boys, you can’t imagine what that means to me – how much the last three months have worn out my strength, tested my nervous resistance. I can tell you that during the first two weeks of December, we lost a thousand tanks and had two thousand locomotives out of operation.” …. “Now that January and February are past, our enemies can give up the hope of our suffering the fate of Napoleon.”

    And speaking with Admiral Raeder (26th August 1942)

    RUSSIAN WAR PRODUCTION – (300) ” They have built factories where a couple of years ago only unknown villages existed – and factories, mark you, as big as the Hermann Göring Works. They have built railways that are not yet on out maps.”

    • Replies: @refl
  118. iffen says:
    @dfordoom

    The moral and spiritual rot in the West started with the Enlightenment, and the rise of capitalism.

    On the journey that is mankind, The Enlightenment ranks with agriculture and the written word.

    We have just hit a rough stretch.

    The great men are out there that can pull us back from the abyss and lead us onward. They just need to find our Aqaba. Trump is but a harbinger. And BTW, if he is re-elected, or even if it is close, that will be proof that the Borg’s MSM cannot defeat us; it will show that it is beyond their power.

  119. @Nodwink

    And alternative sites attract predator subversive trolls like Nodwink: The Las Vegas “killings” are utterly fake; so is the “Las Vegas Killer Stephen Paddock.” That Greg Palast is a “childhood friend” of the imaginary killer and “related” to the creator of Mossad is good to know. And you, Nodwink, of course, are a member of the “family.” The fake terrorist attacks are justification for the Police State in the USA that Mossad is building. A “sympathetic” picture indeed.

  120. Patricus says:
    @skrik

    On 9/11/01 I happened to live a few miles from the Pentagon. On 9/12 I rode my bike to the area. Military and local police prevented me from getting close but, from about a quarter or third of a mile, I did see an aircraft tail on the ground. I am not competent to accurately identify aircraft. Maybe it was the tail of a missile. I had no camera at the time. I have no dog in the fight so do not seek to manipulate the News. It is hard to ignore one’s personal perception which happens to coincide with photos I saw in various publications.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  121. peterAUS says:
    @Patricus

    … did see an aircraft tail on the ground. I am not competent to accurately identify aircraft. Maybe it was the tail of a missile…

    Quick questions:
    What was the shape of that tail?
    What was the size of that tail?
    Hint: must’ve been people around. You compare the size of that piece (width/height…) with a person standing next/close/not so close to it.

    Now, naturally, that doesn’t solve anything as:
    -you could be lying/crazy/having an agenda/having bad eyesight/being drunk/drugged at the time.
    -“They” could’ve brought that there precisely for the reason that people as you see what you did.
    -etc…plenty of those.

    Hehe…I remember a post somewhere where the guy was claiming, adamantly, that a cruise missile flew over his head. He, apparently, had been a member of Air Force and recognized the thing. Etc.

    Beauties of the Internet, a?

  122. refl says:
    @Miro23

    Before he shot himself, it is reported that he said that the German people deserved to go under, as the “Ostvolk” had proven to be stronger.
    This late change of opinion certainly helped neither, but it is at least remarkable, as in the final weeks of the war the Wehrmacht leadership was trying to deliver their troops to the West, not knowing what was in store for them in American custody.

    • Replies: @Miro23
  123. Miro23 says:
    @refl

    Before he (Hitler) shot himself, it is reported that he said that the German people deserved to go under, as the “Ostvolk” had proven to be stronger.

    Maybe he was right. And maybe they’re still proving themselves to be stronger, rejecting EU open border, multiculturalism , LGBT and throwing out Jewish activists.

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