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216 writes:

Perhaps I can recall data at a later point, but from my experience there is almost no presence of mainstream Boomer conservatism among those under 30. You are either far-left, left, center-left, or far right. The center-right has basically disappeared as there is no “woke conservatism”, I do forsee such a movement arising during the “Crisis of the 2020s”.

From an enormous R-I survey (N = 330,063), percentages by age range who consider themselves “very” conservative or liberal as opposed to “moderately” or “lean” conservative or liberal:

Age “very”lib/con
18-29 27.9%
30-39 29.1%
40-49 24.6%
50-59 24.5%
60+ 25.1%

Since I ran the numbers I may as well share them, but there’s not much to see here. Those under 40 are only marginally more “extreme” than those over 40. The idea put forward by Feryl that boomer extremism is overshadowing millennial moderate pragmatism doesn’t find any support here though the method is admittedly suboptimal.

The distribution in political orientation among those under the age of 30 (N = 70,305):

Orientation Age18-29
Very liberal 16.9%
Moderately liberal 21.9%
Lean liberal 16.1%
Lean conservative 15.6%
Moderately conservative 18.6%
Very conservative 10.9%

Not much evidence of the hoped for collapse of the squishy right here, either.

 
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  1. I wonder how much race has to with these findings. For instance, many black people identify as “conservatives” – they are quite conservative in terms of their views, but they still vote Democrat. I have a feeling that the 18-29 generation will be much more politically literate, and nearly all minorities uniformly brainwashed into supporting the progressive agenda, thus identifying as liberal.

    This would mean that nearly all of the “conservative” identifiers would be whites – specifically white men. Keep in mind, this generation is probably 55% white, and heavily indoctrinated.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    R-I shows 58% of the 18-29 sample as n-H white, while nearly 70% of the "very conservative" share of 18-29 is white. Only half of those who responded with some variety of liberal are white.
    , @gate666
    black people are not conservative by any measure.
  2. Not sure I can weasel my way out of this. The data says I got it wrong.

    What is an acid test for “Boomerism” ? That would test out whether or not Millennial squishes are the true heirs of their Boomer parents.

    The narrative I was trying to drive here was not merely that opinion had shifted to the “far-right” but more that squish voices had basically shut up. “Woke Conservatism” is a potential reawakening of the squish block, that may emerge with a “conservative feminsm” as Millennials age. It also fits with my view that Ben Shapiro is not going anywhere.

    This thread of charts is probably the best refutation of the “far-right surge” that others and I tend to engage in wish-fulfillment for.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    There's a reason that the more interesting "right wingers" (Jones, McIness, Spencer) are getting de platformed, while Shapiro and the ziocons are still around.

    The squishy right is easily beaten.
    , @Mr McKenna
    As someone who's regularly excoriated for making similar observations, I can't admit to much surprise. The merits of the various cases aside, the simple fact of wholesale 'race replacement' beginning almost two generations ago means most everything else is just arranging deck chairs.

    Long before the current century is out, goyische white males will be enslaved in this land their forefathers built. Most will welcome it! Such is the triumph of mass-media mind control. White women won't be far behind, but many (most?) of them will have inter-married more happily. Remember that most 'migrants' are young men of color.

    Jeffrey Sachs is rubbing his hands at this prospect, yet the 'identity' types here think all will be solved if a few thousand more white babies are brought into such a world.

    As an aside, as one who's neither Dem or Rep, Right/Left etc, I despair at the constant bifurcation of the populace (not to mention the mind) as though everyone and everything must fit into just one scheme. But--alas--I can only tilt at so many windmills in a day.

    , @MikeatMikedotMike
    It's a sound theory. It's entirely possible your definition of "far right" barely resembles that of "very conservative" from the survey.

    Remember, the modern, commonly accepted definition of a radical right wing extremist includes restrictions on abortion on demand and enforcing immigration laws, just to name a couple.

    These are issues that were not considered extreme in any sense not too long ago.
  3. More in “Crisis of the 2020s”

    https://oui.doleta.gov/unemploy/docs/trustFundSolvReport2018.pdf

    Look at that bright red in the Rust Belt. Oh, boy.

    Did all of those Rust Belt states pass some form of tax cut to (boost re-election chances and pay off businees donors)?

    Yup

  4. @216
    Not sure I can weasel my way out of this. The data says I got it wrong.


    What is an acid test for "Boomerism" ? That would test out whether or not Millennial squishes are the true heirs of their Boomer parents.

    The narrative I was trying to drive here was not merely that opinion had shifted to the "far-right" but more that squish voices had basically shut up. "Woke Conservatism" is a potential reawakening of the squish block, that may emerge with a "conservative feminsm" as Millennials age. It also fits with my view that Ben Shapiro is not going anywhere.

    This thread of charts is probably the best refutation of the "far-right surge" that others and I tend to engage in wish-fulfillment for.

    https://twitter.com/JeffreyASachs/status/1079031986835128321

    There’s a reason that the more interesting “right wingers” (Jones, McIness, Spencer) are getting de platformed, while Shapiro and the ziocons are still around.

    The squishy right is easily beaten.

    • Replies: @Anonnu
    See my comment. The stage is already set especially in economic prosperous areas.

    Although pockets of white majority will survive & be continually betrayed by the church for awhile yet.
  5. No, most people don’t care.

    Since you’re Canadian go look at how many states have less people than the GTA.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_and_territories_of_the_United_States_by_population

    Only the Great Lakes & NW have a healthy white majority & they’re inhospitable relatively, economically backward & add up to around 1/3rd the pop.

    If a fifth to quarter of kids are mixed & 90%+ of mixed pairings include a white, then half the white kids are mixed.

    The only areas where this isn’t true are again places nobody wants to go.

    Do you think states like Montana or Kansas with 1mil & 3 respectively, matter politically?

    The economy there is primary resources, senior services & people on pension from/on government jobs.

    It’s over..

    Open genocide isn’t there in South Africa where the climate is more favorable, so a relatively benign climate is likely to be in America for the rest of the century.

    A dictatorship whether formal or not, with white male & female socially/sexually desired & a heavily white leaning elite.

    Read bio leninism on bloodyshovel.wordpress.com & castizo America from Atlantic Centurion or trs.

    Lol if you think random trailer trash states are economically viable by themselves or capable of secession.

    I bought too much into RW propaganda extolling the lily whiteness of places like West Virginia or Arkansas.

    Lol the former about 2mil latter 3.


    This means a capital city, a few secondary settlements + some farms.

    Those farms are/will empty out. Along with the towns which provide them services,

    Use Toronto/GTA as a metric. If 5mil is the minimum population needed for political relevance in North America then lol

    Most of those white majority areas don’t have it or are separated by 1000s of kms.

    The Mississippi & St Lawrence River valleys incl the great lakes (minus superior) determine the direction of the continent.

    That entire area beside Quebec & Michigan/Ohio etc is solidly minority white, anti white & that trend will increase.

    Furthermore the white population is far from homogeneous & hasn’t been for centuries.

    California, Texas, Florida only add to the problem but actually serve as a non white sink.


    Have seen stats saying half the births are white but who knows especially with current & future immigration

    Also the political weight of a birth in trailer country is less than the coasts so the story/stage of white minority & political disposes sion is already set.

    I’m not despondent because the castizo America article points out that yes this is the situation Natives faced, but we don’t have the same level of disease or rapid population decline to worry

    Then again the scale of population change is just as swift.

    O well still have to find places to survive Can’t give up,

    • Replies: @216
    Part of that data is confused because there is a tendency for some Hispanics to claim "two or more races" or "some other race" on the census. "Mestizo" is not an option, even though most Hispanics claim "white" and "hispanic". There's also some political partisans among Hispanics that claim "Native American".

    So the Oklahoma data is the obvious outlier, because you have people with a dint of Amerind that claim the status for AA benefits, but for all intents and purposes are white.
  6. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    There's a reason that the more interesting "right wingers" (Jones, McIness, Spencer) are getting de platformed, while Shapiro and the ziocons are still around.

    The squishy right is easily beaten.

    See my comment. The stage is already set especially in economic prosperous areas.

    Although pockets of white majority will survive & be continually betrayed by the church for awhile yet.

  7. Hmm that multiracial chart is also living with two parents so you can add like 5% to those numbers since 90%+ of black male + other pairings result in single mothers.

    If that’s birth, then think about the level of screwing around or even casual friendship that occurs.

    Among people who matter especially, it doesn’t actually matter if your opioid addicted town of 5000 in a state of 3mil doesn’t like outsiders & is ‘balkanizing’

    That’s not the norm & we can’t wish that away.

    White Nationalist should put their political capital into monopolizing all positions possible in the military/police & being a dependable, concentrated vote bank.

    Or Idk, I trust the military or someone will do something before things get too bad.

    Alternatively Latin Cooking, Big Black Booty & Tight Azn pussy could be enough of a sedative..

    Any male white or otherwise who is attractive & has access to a coterie of women would fuck that up for what exactly..

    The chance to March beside a gang of neckbeards whose ideology comes down to : I’m fat, ugly, can’t get laid & back in the days I could get a wife through my society Wah Wah.

    Notice that while there are changes, supposedly, most European working class (male) rage is directed at social services & in the USA at preserving personal wealth.

    Too many nationalists love their people, but don’t want to rule over them. This blinds them to their flaws,

    But yeah white men outside of degree positions are marginalized.

    The blind spot of the RW, is that all males outside of executive positions are marginalized. The marginalization of most males is a feature not a bug.

    The white males in those positions are still dominant out of proportion to their own personal merit/attractiveness.

    & most of the executive government/corporate world is just workplace flirting so that’s all that matters.

    At the elite level White/Latin men have the least negative stereotypes, related to sexual attractiveness, compared to other races.

    In the end the White Elite Dude (Chad) will choose to keep fucking 3 bitches a week over helping your tired ass.

    All empires result in ethno religious decay at the late stage.

    I’m looking at how to preserve enough racial energy (Purity) to survive this stage & resurge in 80 years when these trends have worked themselves out.

    Most RW material is factually correct but lacks marketing mechanisms, which are a function of power.

    We’re shut out of power & that’s not going to change,

    So just have a lot of kids & build communities, the basic block of political power.

    Yes your community might degrade in 2gen but at least you worked out & fucked a lot along the way.

    Sure beats being angry on the internet..

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Sure beats being angry on the internet..

    I elect to simultaneously do both! The modern age allows for an enormous amount of efficiency if you're willing to utilize it.
  8. @216
    Not sure I can weasel my way out of this. The data says I got it wrong.


    What is an acid test for "Boomerism" ? That would test out whether or not Millennial squishes are the true heirs of their Boomer parents.

    The narrative I was trying to drive here was not merely that opinion had shifted to the "far-right" but more that squish voices had basically shut up. "Woke Conservatism" is a potential reawakening of the squish block, that may emerge with a "conservative feminsm" as Millennials age. It also fits with my view that Ben Shapiro is not going anywhere.

    This thread of charts is probably the best refutation of the "far-right surge" that others and I tend to engage in wish-fulfillment for.

    https://twitter.com/JeffreyASachs/status/1079031986835128321

    As someone who’s regularly excoriated for making similar observations, I can’t admit to much surprise. The merits of the various cases aside, the simple fact of wholesale ‘race replacement’ beginning almost two generations ago means most everything else is just arranging deck chairs.

    Long before the current century is out, goyische white males will be enslaved in this land their forefathers built. Most will welcome it! Such is the triumph of mass-media mind control. White women won’t be far behind, but many (most?) of them will have inter-married more happily. Remember that most ‘migrants’ are young men of color.

    Jeffrey Sachs is rubbing his hands at this prospect, yet the ‘identity’ types here think all will be solved if a few thousand more white babies are brought into such a world.

    As an aside, as one who’s neither Dem or Rep, Right/Left etc, I despair at the constant bifurcation of the populace (not to mention the mind) as though everyone and everything must fit into just one scheme. But–alas–I can only tilt at so many windmills in a day.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    think all will be solved if a few thousand more white babies are brought into such a world

    What is absolutely certain is that if we stop bringing white babies into this world, we will lose.
  9. anon[312] • Disclaimer says:

    Wouldn’t this work better with a survey of actual political positions rather than self-identification? People mean different things by the same words. I would also throw in political engagement: I’d guess that people who consider themselves moderate tend to have thought about the issues less. Finally, people will lie about how moderate they are in order to seem reasonable.

    So I’m not sure how definitive this is. Then again, it might still be right.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
  10. @Anonnu
    No, most people don't care.

    Since you're Canadian go look at how many states have less people than the GTA.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_and_territories_of_the_United_States_by_population

    Only the Great Lakes & NW have a healthy white majority & they're inhospitable relatively, economically backward & add up to around 1/3rd the pop.

    http://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/FT_17.06.01_multiracialBabies_map.png?w=420

    If a fifth to quarter of kids are mixed & 90%+ of mixed pairings include a white, then half the white kids are mixed.

    The only areas where this isn't true are again places nobody wants to go.

    Do you think states like Montana or Kansas with 1mil & 3 respectively, matter politically?

    The economy there is primary resources, senior services & people on pension from/on government jobs.

    It's over..

    Open genocide isn't there in South Africa where the climate is more favorable, so a relatively benign climate is likely to be in America for the rest of the century.

    A dictatorship whether formal or not, with white male & female socially/sexually desired & a heavily white leaning elite.

    Read bio leninism on bloodyshovel.wordpress.com & castizo America from Atlantic Centurion or trs.

    Lol if you think random trailer trash states are economically viable by themselves or capable of secession.

    I bought too much into RW propaganda extolling the lily whiteness of places like West Virginia or Arkansas.

    Lol the former about 2mil latter 3.

    --
    This means a capital city, a few secondary settlements + some farms.

    Those farms are/will empty out. Along with the towns which provide them services,

    Use Toronto/GTA as a metric. If 5mil is the minimum population needed for political relevance in North America then lol

    Most of those white majority areas don't have it or are separated by 1000s of kms.

    The Mississippi & St Lawrence River valleys incl the great lakes (minus superior) determine the direction of the continent.

    That entire area beside Quebec & Michigan/Ohio etc is solidly minority white, anti white & that trend will increase.

    Furthermore the white population is far from homogeneous & hasn't been for centuries.

    California, Texas, Florida only add to the problem but actually serve as a non white sink.

    --
    Have seen stats saying half the births are white but who knows especially with current & future immigration

    Also the political weight of a birth in trailer country is less than the coasts so the story/stage of white minority & political disposes sion is already set.

    I'm not despondent because the castizo America article points out that yes this is the situation Natives faced, but we don't have the same level of disease or rapid population decline to worry

    Then again the scale of population change is just as swift.

    O well still have to find places to survive Can't give up,

    Part of that data is confused because there is a tendency for some Hispanics to claim “two or more races” or “some other race” on the census. “Mestizo” is not an option, even though most Hispanics claim “white” and “hispanic”. There’s also some political partisans among Hispanics that claim “Native American”.

    So the Oklahoma data is the obvious outlier, because you have people with a dint of Amerind that claim the status for AA benefits, but for all intents and purposes are white.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Indeed, the GSS shows the same thing--IIRC something like half, maybe more, of the 2+ races are what most people would look at and label "Hispanic".
  11. @216
    Not sure I can weasel my way out of this. The data says I got it wrong.


    What is an acid test for "Boomerism" ? That would test out whether or not Millennial squishes are the true heirs of their Boomer parents.

    The narrative I was trying to drive here was not merely that opinion had shifted to the "far-right" but more that squish voices had basically shut up. "Woke Conservatism" is a potential reawakening of the squish block, that may emerge with a "conservative feminsm" as Millennials age. It also fits with my view that Ben Shapiro is not going anywhere.

    This thread of charts is probably the best refutation of the "far-right surge" that others and I tend to engage in wish-fulfillment for.

    https://twitter.com/JeffreyASachs/status/1079031986835128321

    It’s a sound theory. It’s entirely possible your definition of “far right” barely resembles that of “very conservative” from the survey.

    Remember, the modern, commonly accepted definition of a radical right wing extremist includes restrictions on abortion on demand and enforcing immigration laws, just to name a couple.

    These are issues that were not considered extreme in any sense not too long ago.

  12. It’s still early days. Trump was elected only recently.

    Anyway, 216’s thesis can be salvaged by pointing out that population ≠ the subgroup of popular political figures. In fact, other than a few media whores like Shaprio, there’s really no popular political figures under 40 who support Conservative Boomerism.

    More importantly, I assume everyone has figured out by now that Boomer Conservatives literally have no logical defense of their vision besides crying about racism. Which means their vision already has one foot in the grave, like them.

  13. o/t

    Rothschild-owned economist produced this nice infographic displaying where the cultural enrichment is moving in Asia.

  14. There are degrees of Conservative and Liberal. But Centrist is not an ideology. Politicians calling themselves Centrists are just in it for the money.

    Left and Right refer to Labor and Capital respectively. Neither of our Parties gives one fuck about Labor although people calling themselves Democratic Socialists are poised to take over the DNC. They are not pro Labor either. They are pro welfare/open borders. Trump at least would like to see the white working class working again. That’s why this old lefty is a card carrying Deplorable.

    The political distinctions that matter today are Nationalist vs Globalist. The Globalists, including what is today called the left in America, would establish a universal Feudalism. Capital and Labor would be obsolete. There would be only owners and renters. Masters and serfs.

    • Replies: @Feryl
    "Left and Right refer to Labor and Capital respectively. Neither of our Parties gives one fuck about Labor although people calling themselves Democratic Socialists are poised to take over the DNC. They are not pro Labor either. They are pro welfare/open borders. Trump at least would like to see the white working class working again. That’s why this old lefty is a card carrying Deplorable."

    In 2016-'17, the GOP could've done anything practically. What did they do? Tax cuts for the rich, and only a teensy bit of reform to Obamacare (which of course didn't go far enough in addressing the stinking mess that is this country's health"care").

    No total shredding of Nafta, nothing resembling serious immigration controls (only the occasional token reduction in refugees and worker visas plus hysterical rantings about immigrant criminals at a time when crime is at a 50 year low and still committed mostly by American blacks, lest anyone get the impression that this was yet another sell-out GOP admin). No discernible consensus among GOP elites/the donor class that American labor had been besieged for 40 years by rising immigration levels and third world production facilities that don't have to abide by eco-regulations or worker dignity protections.

    Trump is alone in the vast serpent filled GOP wilderness. He can't take the venom out of the snake by himself.
    , @The Anti-Gnostic
    Centrists are just naked authoritarians. Their only principle is slavish obedience to the status quo, whatever that may be. If the status quo is the socialist total state, they're dutiful socialists. If the status quo is secular democracy, they're dutiful secular democrats. They are cultural followers who run with the herd.

    Angela Merkel is the quintessential centrist.
  15. More maps: Georgia, Governor (results delayed, recount, so I didn’t cover it in November)

    https://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/data.php?year=2018&fips=13&f=0&off=5&elect=0&def=swg&datatype=county

    Massive surge towards black lesbian Dem Abrams (I think Steve suspected some 2% ancestry) in the Atlanta suburbs. Obvious move for the GOP is to split the state and make Atlanta Metro its own state, with rump Georgia having its new capital in Athens.

    Suprisingly, there was no large swing towards Abrams in the rural middle part of the state, where there are blacks that would have been expected to echo the turnout in Atlanta.

    • Replies: @indocon
    Also noticed the surge towards Stacey Abrams on the coastal counties, similar movement up the coast resulted in a democrat winning Mark Sanford's old seat. From having spent some time traveling in this area, it seems full of rich white retirees, guess they need some more enrichment in their last years.
  16. I suppose a counterargument could be that a nationalist-populist surge may consist of people who don’t identify as “very conservative” but would be a guarantee that the dangerhairs would put down “very liberal.” I would not consider myself as very conservative at all. Personally, I dislike libertarianism, typically associated with very conservative as a response, more than socialism at this point.

    Still, these results aren’t that bad. For the least white voting generation, the split is 54/46, which means it is still very salvageable. Given the leftward sprint of the Democrats, if the Republicans offer even somewhat sane economic platforms like bringing work to the US, then I think there is a good chance that the gap can be closed and then some. Also of course, you need someone who is adept at prodding apart the Coalition of the Ascendant. As we see with the Women’s March, multiculturalism is extremely fragile and doesn’t take much to ruin woke leftism. The right wing is going to have to grow some balls and fight back.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @Feryl
    The right wing is going to have to grow some balls and fight back."

    How do you define "Right Wing"?

    The Reaganite coalition has been a resounding success....3/4 of it, anyway. Business ownership has consistently scored one victory after another over labor for 40 years. The Wealthy have consistently had their taxes lowered. The Pentagon, aside from the 1990's, has done really well since the early 80's.

    Which leg of the stool has been smashed apart? Social conservatism. Why? Christan social conservatism was always the lowest priority in the neo-liberal era, though in the 80's and 90's GOP elites at least had to pretend that they really were disheartened by soaring divorce levels, growing media obscenity, and Roe V Wade. But in practice, business owners and military generals just wanted to feather their beds, wanted to gain more money and power to elevate themselves above everyone else, and had no real concern for cultural issues (in contrast, the non-Boomer fiscal progressives of the 1920's-1980's genuinely felt as if culture was important and had good instincts about what to do, Reagan permitting Children's programming to be colonized by corporate advertisers in 1982 was considered outrageous by old-school liberals at that time).

    As I've often said, true blue (red?) Republicans, when they get let off their leash, create a race to the bottom which degrades matters of culture and morality. Since Republicans for the last 40 years have constantly complained that it's not the government's job to get too big or be too officious, lest anyone's individual wishes be impeded well, why the hell would this attitude somehow translate into stable families, respect for cultural tradition, low immigration levels, and "entertainment" that doesn't blind or deafen the viewer (hyperactive film/TV editing and extremely loud audio levels were certainly one by-product of the last 40 years of "anything goes".

    Salvation will not be found in the GOP, not as long as Boomers call the shots anyway. The Boomer led GOP has had one opportunity after another to do ANYTHING since the mid-1990's, but we scarcely ever get anything besides tax cuts for rich people, complaints about labor unions, Pentagon pork, and excuses about the Dems getting in the way.
  17. @216
    More maps: Georgia, Governor (results delayed, recount, so I didn't cover it in November)

    https://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/data.php?year=2018&fips=13&f=0&off=5&elect=0&def=swg&datatype=county

    Massive surge towards black lesbian Dem Abrams (I think Steve suspected some 2% ancestry) in the Atlanta suburbs. Obvious move for the GOP is to split the state and make Atlanta Metro its own state, with rump Georgia having its new capital in Athens.

    Suprisingly, there was no large swing towards Abrams in the rural middle part of the state, where there are blacks that would have been expected to echo the turnout in Atlanta.

    Also noticed the surge towards Stacey Abrams on the coastal counties, similar movement up the coast resulted in a democrat winning Mark Sanford’s old seat. From having spent some time traveling in this area, it seems full of rich white retirees, guess they need some more enrichment in their last years.

  18. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    I wonder how much race has to with these findings. For instance, many black people identify as "conservatives" - they are quite conservative in terms of their views, but they still vote Democrat. I have a feeling that the 18-29 generation will be much more politically literate, and nearly all minorities uniformly brainwashed into supporting the progressive agenda, thus identifying as liberal.

    This would mean that nearly all of the "conservative" identifiers would be whites - specifically white men. Keep in mind, this generation is probably 55% white, and heavily indoctrinated.

    R-I shows 58% of the 18-29 sample as n-H white, while nearly 70% of the “very conservative” share of 18-29 is white. Only half of those who responded with some variety of liberal are white.

  19. @Anonnu
    Hmm that multiracial chart is also living with two parents so you can add like 5% to those numbers since 90%+ of black male + other pairings result in single mothers.

    If that's birth, then think about the level of screwing around or even casual friendship that occurs.

    Among people who matter especially, it doesn't actually matter if your opioid addicted town of 5000 in a state of 3mil doesn't like outsiders & is 'balkanizing'

    That's not the norm & we can't wish that away.

    White Nationalist should put their political capital into monopolizing all positions possible in the military/police & being a dependable, concentrated vote bank.

    Or Idk, I trust the military or someone will do something before things get too bad.

    Alternatively Latin Cooking, Big Black Booty & Tight Azn pussy could be enough of a sedative..

    Any male white or otherwise who is attractive & has access to a coterie of women would fuck that up for what exactly..

    The chance to March beside a gang of neckbeards whose ideology comes down to : I'm fat, ugly, can't get laid & back in the days I could get a wife through my society Wah Wah.

    Notice that while there are changes, supposedly, most European working class (male) rage is directed at social services & in the USA at preserving personal wealth.

    Too many nationalists love their people, but don't want to rule over them. This blinds them to their flaws,

    But yeah white men outside of degree positions are marginalized.

    The blind spot of the RW, is that all males outside of executive positions are marginalized. The marginalization of most males is a feature not a bug.

    The white males in those positions are still dominant out of proportion to their own personal merit/attractiveness.

    & most of the executive government/corporate world is just workplace flirting so that's all that matters.

    At the elite level White/Latin men have the least negative stereotypes, related to sexual attractiveness, compared to other races.

    In the end the White Elite Dude (Chad) will choose to keep fucking 3 bitches a week over helping your tired ass.

    All empires result in ethno religious decay at the late stage.

    I'm looking at how to preserve enough racial energy (Purity) to survive this stage & resurge in 80 years when these trends have worked themselves out.
    --

    Most RW material is factually correct but lacks marketing mechanisms, which are a function of power.

    We're shut out of power & that's not going to change,

    So just have a lot of kids & build communities, the basic block of political power.

    Yes your community might degrade in 2gen but at least you worked out & fucked a lot along the way.

    Sure beats being angry on the internet..

    Sure beats being angry on the internet..

    I elect to simultaneously do both! The modern age allows for an enormous amount of efficiency if you’re willing to utilize it.

  20. @Mr McKenna
    As someone who's regularly excoriated for making similar observations, I can't admit to much surprise. The merits of the various cases aside, the simple fact of wholesale 'race replacement' beginning almost two generations ago means most everything else is just arranging deck chairs.

    Long before the current century is out, goyische white males will be enslaved in this land their forefathers built. Most will welcome it! Such is the triumph of mass-media mind control. White women won't be far behind, but many (most?) of them will have inter-married more happily. Remember that most 'migrants' are young men of color.

    Jeffrey Sachs is rubbing his hands at this prospect, yet the 'identity' types here think all will be solved if a few thousand more white babies are brought into such a world.

    As an aside, as one who's neither Dem or Rep, Right/Left etc, I despair at the constant bifurcation of the populace (not to mention the mind) as though everyone and everything must fit into just one scheme. But--alas--I can only tilt at so many windmills in a day.

    think all will be solved if a few thousand more white babies are brought into such a world

    What is absolutely certain is that if we stop bringing white babies into this world, we will lose.

  21. @216
    Part of that data is confused because there is a tendency for some Hispanics to claim "two or more races" or "some other race" on the census. "Mestizo" is not an option, even though most Hispanics claim "white" and "hispanic". There's also some political partisans among Hispanics that claim "Native American".

    So the Oklahoma data is the obvious outlier, because you have people with a dint of Amerind that claim the status for AA benefits, but for all intents and purposes are white.

    Indeed, the GSS shows the same thing–IIRC something like half, maybe more, of the 2+ races are what most people would look at and label “Hispanic”.

  22. Virginia, Senate

    https://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/data.php?year=2018&fips=51&f=0&off=3&elect=0&class=1&def=swg&datatype=county

    Stewart, the most Alt-Right aligned candidate in the country, was BTFO in Northern Virginia and Charlottesville. Also major swings against the GOP in Richmond Metro and Hampton Roads. Somehow managed to show a better result in SW Virginia, though few live there. The red dot in SW Virginia that swung against the GOP is where Virginia Tech is.

  23. New Mexico, Governor

    https://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/data.php?year=2018&fips=35&f=0&off=5&elect=0&def=swg&datatype=county

    Not exactly a brown ethnostate in the way that Imperial County, CA is, without Los Alamos and the military bases this state would be scarcely better than old Mexico.

    The real cost here is that the Dems won by enough margin, and the outcome was never in doubt, that they won the GOP-held house seat. At 71, the incumbent from that seat was running for Governor, and clearly had no business running at all.

    Some might recall how the outgoing GOP Governor Martinez was touted as a “brown hope” when she won in 2010. That was a backlash to the corruption surrounding the previous Dem “brown hope” governor. She turned out to be corrupt herself.

    The GOP rarely wins anything in this state, even before the era of mass immigration. The state has an “Eisenhower Democrat” streak, favoring Western Republicans and formerly sending one Senator of each party in order to maximize pork.

    NM might be the ‘best-case scenario’ of a Hispanicized US, it kind of sucks, and dynasts rule the political system. But, warming the heart of Ron Unz, it isn’t that bad because the magic line of the US border will somehow keep the violence and corruption on the other side.

  24. Colorado, Governor

    https://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/data.php?year=2018&fips=8&f=0&off=5&elect=0&def=swg&datatype=county

    The two brightest red dots represent Boulder and Colorado Springs. This is bad news for the GOP, part of why “white college” voters are such a pain. The Senate seat is up in 2020, and the cuckservative incumbent is already scheming to save his worthless hide.

    The GOP governor candidate was a dynast, and also a Bush family relative. One of his paternal ancestors was a Klan leader, and the media never let him escape that.

    In 2014 the GOP candidate for Governor was a Hispanic-surnamed version of Romney, who had previously lost in 2006. The outgoing Dem was a moderate white guy, the incoming Dem is a moderate white Jew, despite being a homo from Boulder, he was previously a wealthy techbro.

    2016, President

    https://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/data.php?year=2016&fips=8&f=0&off=0&elect=0&def=swg&datatype=county

    Contrary to media narrative, Trump improved on Romney’s performance in the Old Hispanic rural southern parts of the state. He was punished severely by wealthy moderates in the ski counties and Douglas County. Unlike previously mentioned New Mexico, Denver does draw a significant number of immigrants. But like California before it the metro is running out of Dirt to its west and water.

    Minnesota, New Hampshire and Maine are likelier targets for ’20. But the logic of keeping the Senate majority means that the campaign cannot avoid this state.

  25. The county maps of NV and AZ are almost worthless when it comes to commenting on trends. No one seems to ever make maps of AK.

  26. WA, Senator

    Outcome was never in doubt

    https://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/data.php?year=2018&fips=53&f=0&off=3&elect=0&class=1&def=swg&datatype=county

    The moderate swing in the GOP’s favor in the SW part of the state may have saved the House seat. The GOP incumbent in District 8 had better name recognition and was retiring, a Viking funeral campaign on his part may have saved that district from flipping as well.

    Like with Georgia above, the goal should be to partition this state either into a Puget Sound state, or dividing it West/East. The “wet side” has been colonized by Asians. The “dry side” has been colonized by Hispanics that don’t vote.

    Hutchinson was terminated from KIRO-TV in July 2002 for falsely calling in sick while going canoeing in Bend, Oregon and after a heated confrontation with her supervisor over why he was spending so much time with a female co-worker. She later sued KIRO for discrimination after the station replaced her as nightly news anchor with a younger Asian woman

    lol

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Hutchison

  27. “The idea put forward by Feryl that boomer extremism is overshadowing millennial moderate pragmatism doesn’t find any support here though the method is admittedly suboptimal.”

    I more am taking about emotional and moral rigidity/judgementalism. Strauss/Howe, David Kaiser et al (themselves Boomers) freely acknowledge that passionate denunciations of others for being insufficiently righteous was virtually non-existent in the 1950’s and early 60’s (when the GI Generation peaked in cultural influence). As soon as the earliest Boomers reached college age in the mid-60’s, we began the gradual ascent of the culture that would peak in the 1990’s (when Boomers most influenced culture) ; moral fury at others for perceived shortcomings of any kind.

    Gen X-ers and Millennials are disgusted by the lack of real-world results that’s accompanied the bluster of Boomers. Sure, no generation is totally good or bad, but you sure paint a target on yourself by constantly criticizing others out of proportion to one’s own track record (e.g., those in glass houses shouldn’t throw rocks).

    Now when it comes to rock the boatism, duh, by default the most privileged people are the least interested in change (“radical” ideas). And the early-mid period Boomers fit this profile to a T right now. The level of rage at the system for being a fukken’ joke is higher with Generation Jones (those born from about 1958-1964), is higher still with Gen X-ers, and reaches bright red levels with Millennials. The younger you are, the less you benefited from neo-liberalism. Older generations, in word and deed, trash the New Deal for being half-assed communism. Younger people are tired of dog eat dog Social Darwinist cut-throat “competition” (in which abusive monopolies are “won” by the most ruthless titans). Gen Jones self-reports less interest in workaholism than older people, which is good, but also bought into Reaganism more than anyone else (bad), though I’d think that by now they’d have seen through it. But the number of late Boomers and early Gen X-ers who still blame Democrats for everything is alarming, but let’s hope that we can all change the tired partisan tune. And after all, when the Democrats had more power consistently in the 1930’s-1970’s, they actually did a pretty good job of running the government. The unquestionable descent in institutional effectiveness that accelerated in the 80’s and 90’s coinciding w/ the rise of Republican power, and also “centrist” Democrats who pissed on the New Deal, was accompanied by Right wing rhetoric about how worthless and stupid the government is. Well, gee, it would seem to me that you guys did everything you could to fulfill that idea by deliberately sabotaging the ability of our government to live within it’s means and not be a reeking dump (by Bush’s regime, all fiscal restraint was eliminated, and moreover, even the Dems at this point don’t promote a rebirth in progressive taxes and military restraint which would balance the budget). How stupid could you possibly be at this point to think that the GOP is good for anything, besides tax cuts for rich people and hot air about abortion (none of their heroes of the last several generations has come anywhere close to over-turning Roe V Wade, likely because big donors to the GOP generally don’t give a shit about corn-fed Evangelicals).

  28. @A Random Dude
    I suppose a counterargument could be that a nationalist-populist surge may consist of people who don't identify as "very conservative" but would be a guarantee that the dangerhairs would put down "very liberal." I would not consider myself as very conservative at all. Personally, I dislike libertarianism, typically associated with very conservative as a response, more than socialism at this point.

    Still, these results aren't that bad. For the least white voting generation, the split is 54/46, which means it is still very salvageable. Given the leftward sprint of the Democrats, if the Republicans offer even somewhat sane economic platforms like bringing work to the US, then I think there is a good chance that the gap can be closed and then some. Also of course, you need someone who is adept at prodding apart the Coalition of the Ascendant. As we see with the Women's March, multiculturalism is extremely fragile and doesn't take much to ruin woke leftism. The right wing is going to have to grow some balls and fight back.

    The right wing is going to have to grow some balls and fight back.”

    How do you define “Right Wing”?

    The Reaganite coalition has been a resounding success….3/4 of it, anyway. Business ownership has consistently scored one victory after another over labor for 40 years. The Wealthy have consistently had their taxes lowered. The Pentagon, aside from the 1990’s, has done really well since the early 80’s.

    Which leg of the stool has been smashed apart? Social conservatism. Why? Christan social conservatism was always the lowest priority in the neo-liberal era, though in the 80’s and 90’s GOP elites at least had to pretend that they really were disheartened by soaring divorce levels, growing media obscenity, and Roe V Wade. But in practice, business owners and military generals just wanted to feather their beds, wanted to gain more money and power to elevate themselves above everyone else, and had no real concern for cultural issues (in contrast, the non-Boomer fiscal progressives of the 1920’s-1980’s genuinely felt as if culture was important and had good instincts about what to do, Reagan permitting Children’s programming to be colonized by corporate advertisers in 1982 was considered outrageous by old-school liberals at that time).

    As I’ve often said, true blue (red?) Republicans, when they get let off their leash, create a race to the bottom which degrades matters of culture and morality. Since Republicans for the last 40 years have constantly complained that it’s not the government’s job to get too big or be too officious, lest anyone’s individual wishes be impeded well, why the hell would this attitude somehow translate into stable families, respect for cultural tradition, low immigration levels, and “entertainment” that doesn’t blind or deafen the viewer (hyperactive film/TV editing and extremely loud audio levels were certainly one by-product of the last 40 years of “anything goes”.

    Salvation will not be found in the GOP, not as long as Boomers call the shots anyway. The Boomer led GOP has had one opportunity after another to do ANYTHING since the mid-1990’s, but we scarcely ever get anything besides tax cuts for rich people, complaints about labor unions, Pentagon pork, and excuses about the Dems getting in the way.

  29. @WorkingClass
    There are degrees of Conservative and Liberal. But Centrist is not an ideology. Politicians calling themselves Centrists are just in it for the money.

    Left and Right refer to Labor and Capital respectively. Neither of our Parties gives one fuck about Labor although people calling themselves Democratic Socialists are poised to take over the DNC. They are not pro Labor either. They are pro welfare/open borders. Trump at least would like to see the white working class working again. That's why this old lefty is a card carrying Deplorable.

    The political distinctions that matter today are Nationalist vs Globalist. The Globalists, including what is today called the left in America, would establish a universal Feudalism. Capital and Labor would be obsolete. There would be only owners and renters. Masters and serfs.

    “Left and Right refer to Labor and Capital respectively. Neither of our Parties gives one fuck about Labor although people calling themselves Democratic Socialists are poised to take over the DNC. They are not pro Labor either. They are pro welfare/open borders. Trump at least would like to see the white working class working again. That’s why this old lefty is a card carrying Deplorable.”

    In 2016-’17, the GOP could’ve done anything practically. What did they do? Tax cuts for the rich, and only a teensy bit of reform to Obamacare (which of course didn’t go far enough in addressing the stinking mess that is this country’s health”care”).

    No total shredding of Nafta, nothing resembling serious immigration controls (only the occasional token reduction in refugees and worker visas plus hysterical rantings about immigrant criminals at a time when crime is at a 50 year low and still committed mostly by American blacks, lest anyone get the impression that this was yet another sell-out GOP admin). No discernible consensus among GOP elites/the donor class that American labor had been besieged for 40 years by rising immigration levels and third world production facilities that don’t have to abide by eco-regulations or worker dignity protections.

    Trump is alone in the vast serpent filled GOP wilderness. He can’t take the venom out of the snake by himself.

  30. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    I wonder how much race has to with these findings. For instance, many black people identify as "conservatives" - they are quite conservative in terms of their views, but they still vote Democrat. I have a feeling that the 18-29 generation will be much more politically literate, and nearly all minorities uniformly brainwashed into supporting the progressive agenda, thus identifying as liberal.

    This would mean that nearly all of the "conservative" identifiers would be whites - specifically white men. Keep in mind, this generation is probably 55% white, and heavily indoctrinated.

    black people are not conservative by any measure.

  31. @WorkingClass
    There are degrees of Conservative and Liberal. But Centrist is not an ideology. Politicians calling themselves Centrists are just in it for the money.

    Left and Right refer to Labor and Capital respectively. Neither of our Parties gives one fuck about Labor although people calling themselves Democratic Socialists are poised to take over the DNC. They are not pro Labor either. They are pro welfare/open borders. Trump at least would like to see the white working class working again. That's why this old lefty is a card carrying Deplorable.

    The political distinctions that matter today are Nationalist vs Globalist. The Globalists, including what is today called the left in America, would establish a universal Feudalism. Capital and Labor would be obsolete. There would be only owners and renters. Masters and serfs.

    Centrists are just naked authoritarians. Their only principle is slavish obedience to the status quo, whatever that may be. If the status quo is the socialist total state, they’re dutiful socialists. If the status quo is secular democracy, they’re dutiful secular democrats. They are cultural followers who run with the herd.

    Angela Merkel is the quintessential centrist.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "Centrists are just naked authoritarians. Their only principle is slavish obedience to the status quo, whatever that may be. If the status quo is the socialist total state, they’re dutiful socialists. If the status quo is secular democracy, they’re dutiful secular democrats. They are cultural followers who run with the herd."

    Not really.

    https://quillette.com/2018/06/01/centrists-really-hostile-democracy/
  32. @The Anti-Gnostic
    Centrists are just naked authoritarians. Their only principle is slavish obedience to the status quo, whatever that may be. If the status quo is the socialist total state, they're dutiful socialists. If the status quo is secular democracy, they're dutiful secular democrats. They are cultural followers who run with the herd.

    Angela Merkel is the quintessential centrist.

    “Centrists are just naked authoritarians. Their only principle is slavish obedience to the status quo, whatever that may be. If the status quo is the socialist total state, they’re dutiful socialists. If the status quo is secular democracy, they’re dutiful secular democrats. They are cultural followers who run with the herd.”

    Not really.

    https://quillette.com/2018/06/01/centrists-really-hostile-democracy/

  33. LOL. What set your alarm off? Typical inapt, confused comment.

  34. In 216’s defense, what is extreme is constantly shifting.

    I’d consider myself a moderate conservative, and I firmly believe balkanization on ethnic lines is not only the US’s likely future, but immensely desirable as well.

    It is nice that the “very conservative” young people are overwhelmingly white.

    Also regarding the comments on Corey Stewart: any republican running against Kaine would have lost. Our goal is not and should not be to run the occasional candidate, it must be nothing less than the complete takeover of the GOP.

    Otherwise the GOP is and will remain useless.

    • Replies: @216
    Re: Virginia

    The issue with Stewart is that he inspired a higher turnout of the Dem base, which helped to lose the three House seats. One of them (Comstock) was gone in any case, but the other two could have been saved. And we lost Dave Brat, only King and Brooks are better than him on immigration.

    Prospective candidates will look at the example of Stewart and either vastly improve on his failings, or sit out of politics entirely. As of now, the Dems in that state are rather moderate like in Colorado, so pushing them aside is difficult without the issue of "muh tax cuts".

    It's also a bad look when a guy born in Minnesota wraps himself in the Confederate flag, it makes moderates cringe and run. Sort of like holding a riot in a university town that repeatedly told you to stay away.

    Takeover is a reckless opinion when we have just embarassed ourselves, we need to be better team players. Showing humiltity would also be a nice touch.
  35. @Olaf
    In 216's defense, what is extreme is constantly shifting.

    I'd consider myself a moderate conservative, and I firmly believe balkanization on ethnic lines is not only the US's likely future, but immensely desirable as well.

    It is nice that the "very conservative" young people are overwhelmingly white.

    Also regarding the comments on Corey Stewart: any republican running against Kaine would have lost. Our goal is not and should not be to run the occasional candidate, it must be nothing less than the complete takeover of the GOP.

    Otherwise the GOP is and will remain useless.

    Re: Virginia

    The issue with Stewart is that he inspired a higher turnout of the Dem base, which helped to lose the three House seats. One of them (Comstock) was gone in any case, but the other two could have been saved. And we lost Dave Brat, only King and Brooks are better than him on immigration.

    Prospective candidates will look at the example of Stewart and either vastly improve on his failings, or sit out of politics entirely. As of now, the Dems in that state are rather moderate like in Colorado, so pushing them aside is difficult without the issue of “muh tax cuts”.

    It’s also a bad look when a guy born in Minnesota wraps himself in the Confederate flag, it makes moderates cringe and run. Sort of like holding a riot in a university town that repeatedly told you to stay away.

    Takeover is a reckless opinion when we have just embarassed ourselves, we need to be better team players. Showing humiltity would also be a nice touch.

  36. I have a difficult time deciding where to classify myself politically on surveys. I think of myself as very conservative, I detest establishment Republicans. John McCain was my least favorite politician of my lifetime. I am to the right of the GOP on most issues…but there are exceptions. For example I am against school dress codes that push female modesty. Female modesty is the most horrifying concept to me. How many “very conservative” people agree with me on this? Probably none.

  37. Who cares? Overthinking a bunch of meaningless statistics about vague meaningless long superannuated categories that don’t really exist. Just to get paid for another article. Where have I seen this syndrome before?

    • Troll: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @obwandiyag
    Can dish it out.

    Can't take it.
  38. @obwandiyag
    Who cares? Overthinking a bunch of meaningless statistics about vague meaningless long superannuated categories that don't really exist. Just to get paid for another article. Where have I seen this syndrome before?

    Can dish it out.

    Can’t take it.

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