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Dissidents warn of an impending Orwellian dystopia, but for those not so impertinent as to conspicuously challenge the prevailing order, Huxley was probably closer to the mark. From Reuters-Ipsos polling, perceptions of some of the largest social media companies in the US (favorable/unfavorable ratings each combine “leans towards”, “somewhat”, and “very”):

Even Twitter, the most contentious of the platforms–the one that provides a direct window into the uninhibited ids of hundreds of millions–is mostly viewed favorably.

The initial intention was to break responses out demographically, but favorable sentiment so utterly dominates across categories that doing so doesn’t provide much insight.

Little wonder Google–or was it Amazon? I forget, maybe it was both–didn’t even bother sending a senior executive to partake in dog and pony show in front of Congress. The public loves the tech oligarchy. Congress on the other hand? Not so much.

As libertarians are fond of reminding us, the tech giants are private companies that provide cheap services for. Nothing wrong with voluntarist overlords, after all. So sit back and enjoy!

 
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  1. Awesome post! I have two interesting scenarios.

    1. A single person or cabal using tech to organize a coup and take over the world.

    2. AI take over the world.

    What’s the possibility of either happening?

  2. Who paid for this survey? Since the Trump victory, you would think that polling companies would be viewed with less blind faith.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  3. 1. I think Alex Jones has quite a lot to say about this. He’s convinced it’s not speculative or conjecture on his part. Your mileage will vary.

    2. If that is possible, it has almost certainly already happened and what we are experiencing now is a simulation, one of an infinite number that are currently running.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
  4. @Endgame Napoleon

    Reuters-Ipsos conducted all of them.

    Yeah, you’d think. Bread and circuses count for a lot, though, especially from the comfort of your own lazy boy recliner.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
  5. Screwtape says:

    The introduction in Neil Postman’s “Amusing Ourselves to Death” (the original into, not the one by his son) lays out the premise of his book with an apt comparison of the Orwell v. Huxley future.

    A future that indeed seems to make his circa 80’s book quite prescient in its thesis that it will be our own distractions, pleasures, and self-absorption that will be our undoing; that by feeding our base drives and pleasure-seeking and avoidance of discomfort, while surrounded by abundance unmatched in history, we will enslave ourselves. Thus making much of the brute force of Orwellian totalitarianism unnecessary. Though unnecessary doesn’t mean it won’t happen as well.

    I can’t paste the text. Perhaps someone else will. Its a book largely focused on media in the TV era but holds up quite well in our techie media world. Which is telling.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    , @Anonymousse
  6. @EastKekistani

    (1) is basically the plot of the Deus Ex franchise, where a cabal secretly controls the world by controlling technology, e.g. via Picus News, a massive news corporation powered by AI that runs virtually all mainstream media from cable news to blogs.

    With the concentration of media ownership, tech censorship, systemic privileging of Blue Checkmark discourse (rumors that Twitter will soon take away Likes), and AI that can now write passable texts and even simulate a news presenter, removal of commenting systems (and suppression of solutions such as Dissenter), the end of the open Internet and the era of Picus News is close at hand.

  7. Firstly, I don’t see Amazon as a social media company. That doesn’t rule them out as “tech totalitarians”, in VDare parlance, though.

    So sit back and enjoy!

    Seriously, A.E. nobody’s got a gun to any of these users’ useee’s heads. I’m not part of any of the stuff mentioned in the the graph beside very occasional orders on Amazon along with occasionaly google searches (only when duckduckgo, and then bing don’t get me what I want AND to make sure Peak Stupidity is visible – yeah, 89% using google makes me have to promote it there most).

    Don’t participate. Just as with, or probably MORE importantly than, that, CUT OFF YOUR TV!

    BTW, A.E. 2 more things:

    1) I don’t dispute your point that people seem to want this shit. I’ve hated the phrase “if you’ve got nothing to hide ….” for many years. The young people don’t even know or care what privacy is anymore. As someone recently put up here, as Joni Mitchell sang in Big Yellow Taxi, you don’t know what you’ve got till it’s gone. That applies only to those of us who’ve been here for a while.

    2) I thought you just wrote a coupla posts ago that you were going to change your handle. I don’t see the new one anywhere yet.

  8. Michael S says:

    I believe it was originally CH that referred to this as “Ing-soma”. It seems like a little bit of both. The censorship and oppression and constant rewriting of history is obscene and dehumanizing, but most normies are too blissed out on cheap gadgets, fast food and porn to notice or care.

  9. Anon[170] • Disclaimer says: • Website

    The logical conclusion of the reigning ideology pushed by our tech lords.

    I guess there was something to people in Aldous Huxley’s BRAVE NEW WORLD saying ‘In the year of our Ford’.

    https://quizlet.com/52176425/brave-new-world-terms-flash-cards/

    As it turned out, Ford was too much of an ‘anti-Semite’ for reverence in the Current Year.

    It’ll have to be Bless Us, Dear Bezos.

    • Replies: @tamako
  10. Anon[170] • Disclaimer says: • Website

    People who say the ‘left’ is in power are totally delusional.

    The classic left is gone. This is the ‘left’ that is left: A degenerate joke.

    The real power is with Jewish supremacist, globo-homo capitalist-imperialist oligarchy. Big Tech Oligarchs hire SJW types to go after Alt Right and Dissident Right. (And Big Money uses whore politicians to shut down BDS and Palestinians.) These ‘leftists’ are all minions.

    The real power is neo-imperialist and elite-narcissist. With a ‘left’ dumb as this, Big Money has nothing to worry about. All they need to do is yell, ‘Nazi’, and these SJW-NPC types bark at some fictional enemy without ever noticing that they’re dogs of the oligarchs.

  11. neutral says:
    @EastKekistani

    What’s the possibility of either happening?

    The first one has already happened, witness how rapidly the move to make transvestites a hallowed class from America to New Zealand to Sweden happened as a good example of how they run the world.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  12. tamako says:
    @Anon

    I hate to break it to you, but Ford has been revered in the Current Year.

    Available now on Amazon Prime Video!

  13. Perception of Social Media, favorable/unfavorable does not exclude specific user gripes. Your links demonstrate this. Facebook – only 50% favorability. Somewhat favorable isn’t the same thing. Facebook only 30%. Try the same test with Unz readers, Unz members. As much as some of us dislike the political bias of big tech, few of us could live without them. Just look at Gab. Freedom and speech and all that. Why don’t any of us use it?

  14. El Dato says:
    @EastKekistani

    2. AI take over the world.

    Ridiculous on first principles.

    Come back when your Roomba doesn’t look like a hapless IXian tool out of the Dune universe.

    Note that I don’t say “Artificial Inanity deployed because of Peak Stupidity, kills millions”. It’s more likely than you think.

    Also:

    Complex automation won’t make fleshbags obsolete, not when the end result is this dumb: We’re messy, expensive, lazy, difficult – and entirely necessary

    Automation brings two things front of mind in most people: A) that it will put it us all out of work, or B) rise up and kill us. I’m beginning to wonder if it’s not a bit from column A and a bit from column B. First, automation takes away all the need to think about anything, then when we’re infantilised within the cocoon of smooth automation, a stupid mistake amplifies to lethality, all because there were never enough humans in the loop, keeping a steady hand and watchful eye on things.

  15. indocon says:
    @EastKekistani

    First has already happened, I don’t think Trump could have gotten elected without Twitter. And I call his election a coup against the evil elites and insiders of this country, which is why they have been besides themselves since 2016.

    Second will never happen, never never never. Consider airplanes, they have been fully automated for decades now, yet no airline dare cut the # of pilots on a plane.

  16. @neutral

    The first one has already happened, witness how rapidly the move to make transvestites a hallowed class from America to New Zealand to Sweden happened as a good example of how they run the world.

    Well, that’s not really what I was talking about. Gays as a group in fact don’t actually rule over anything. Individually some are powerful while most aren’t. They are just weaponized in yet another High-Low alliance against people in between. That’s it.

    What I meant is basically Zuckerberg, Musk or someone in similar positions starting a worldwide coup using the computing power, AI and robots they control at some point. Of course the first step is increased manipulation of media which is already happening now.

    At some time the coup may either take place or will not even need to take place. In fact formal censorship and ostensible oppression may not need to exist either. If most people are drugged and Africanized they may not even have the will to do anything the new overlords really don’t like. There may still be multiple factions but none of the factions will really oppose the overlords.

  17. @Screwtape

    This critique is not wrong, it’s older though than Postman’s book. Before Postman, the Frankfurt School thinkers like Marcuse and Adorno/Horkheimer speculated, that popular mass culture is a means to control and mentally subvert (or destroy, even) the crucial (!) critical public sphere – Jürgen Habermas’ (Frankfurts second generation) went even further back and saw the dissolving of the critical public sphere happening in the nineteenth century (cf his book The Structural Transformation of the Public Sphere, Engl. 1989).

    Before that, we had Rome with its bread and public games program – and before that the Biblical warning not to take the broad lane to heaven, but to look out for the crooked path.

  18. @Achmed E. Newman

    I’m not part of any of the stuff mentioned in the the graph beside very occasional orders on Amazon along with occasionaly google searches

    That’s what you think.

    https://gizmodo.com/i-cut-the-big-five-tech-giants-from-my-life-it-was-hel-1831304194

    Just a couple of the areas of tech oligopoly dominance that aren’t immediately obvious — what percentage of websites are hosted by Amazon Web Services?

    Most of Amazon’s revenue comes from online sales… but most of their profit comes from cloud services — including that $600M contract to host the CIA’s cloud computing setup.

    http://www.commondreams.org/views/2013/12/18/under-amazons-cia-cloud-washington-post

    Got a smart phone? Android or Apple. Android is Google, of course. Apple isn’t, strictly speaking, “social media,” but it’s certainly Big 5.

    Etc.

    A related issue:

    https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/how-the-cia-made-google-e836451a959e
    https://qz.com/1145669/googles-true-origin-partly-lies-in-cia-and-nsa-research-grants-for-mass-surveillance/

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  19. Suppose a tech monopoly actually does conquer the entire world. Zuckermaster becomes the sovereign God emperor of the universe. Zuckmaster no longer needs to pander to anyone or anything. Zuck no longer needs to Detroit to exist as such (unless for his amusement), as it is bad for business. ZuckGod may decide that most of humanity is actually surplus and much of the globe might be better as a nature preserve. Whether this is good or bad depends on whether or not each of us is part of the surplus humanity…

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  20. @Anon

    The classic left is gone. This is the ‘left’ that is left: A degenerate joke.

    The real power is with Jewish supremacist, globo-homo capitalist-imperialist oligarchy.

    Yet perhaps these two are not as distant as they at first might seem…

    http://www.haaretz.com/study-finds-close-genetic-connection-between-jews-kurds-1.75273

    “Victims” rule, going to great lengths to promote the narrative of their purported “powerlessness” and the need for (the appearance of) “revolution” — note how many times that word appears in the rhetoric of the Kurd-promoters above. But that “permanent revolution” — as the Trots say — is somehow never directed against their own hegemony, but always against the leaders of rival ethnic/ racial groups, and is commonly funded/ directed by wealthy, powerful leaders of their own ethny (e.g. Schiff and the Bolsheviks).

    https://www.amazon.com/Jewish-Revolutionary-Spirit-Impact-History/dp/0929891074

    See also the related concepts of hate hoaxes and false flags, and their importance in constructing/ maintaining The Narrative.

  21. @James Forrestal

    I agree on the amzn web services bit, though I will say that my favorite sites have nothing to do with them – your Zerodhedges, VDares, The Great Ron Unz (well not sure on this one, but I’d sure hope not), your Peak Stupidities, etc. However, you have a point in that almost all this is invisible to almost everyone but a real web geek.

    Hey, on the smart phones, you are preaching to the choir here, James. I do whatever I can to keep Google away from the data. All spying stuff that I CAN control* I turn off – I don’t give them pictures, and I have one hell of a time with saving the phone numbers. The latter is probably a waste of time, as the cell company has all this metadata along with probably a hell of a lot more.

    I am not enamored, Mr. Forrestal, by any of the Artificial Stupidity we are supposed to avail ourselves of. I would have no problem with an old flip-phone, as it’s not just the spying, but the annoyance of touch-screens that turns me off.

    .

    * But who really knows, right? There can be backdoors for NSA, or for Google to work for the NSA or themselves.

  22. Myon says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    If you’ve never had it you cannot know what you could have had.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  23. @Audacious Epigone

    2. If that is possible, it has almost certainly already happened and what we are experiencing now is a simulation, one of an infinite number that are currently running.

    Color me very skeptical of this.  Even given the entire energy resources of a star system, it’s only going to be possible to simulate a very small part of it.  This restricts the simulated to a small fraction of the size of the simulator and its basis of support.  This implies a geometric progression with a multiplier << 1 for each level of descent.  Starting with 1 universe, you wind up with a total (real + simulated) of not much more than 1 universe.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  24. Discouraging data, to say the least. But that pic of MZ goes best with this thought:

    • Replies: @EliteCommInc.
  25. 216 says:

    This is a clear partisan/normie divide here.

    While they may not break it down, disapproval of Twitter can be linked to Trump’s presence on the site (the public vastly disapproves of Trump’s tweeting and reluctance to release tax returns)

  26. @reluctantreactionary

    Zuck no longer needs to Detroit to exist as such (unless for his amusement), as it is bad for business.

    I don’t really know. This really depends on whether the tech leaders are going to adopt a strategy similar to Western/Japanese feudalism or a centralized China/Persia-like state.

    ZuckGod may decide that most of humanity is actually surplus and much of the globe might be better as a nature preserve.

    Yes, that’s definitely possible.

  27. I don’t think we’ve seen the future yet in fact I don’t think we’ve even come close to seeing what the future will be like innotek obsessed universe.

    I appreciate my technology so as long as it’s useful but the obtrusiveness lack of privacy the demand that I give access in order to have use is in my view Beyond The Pale.. when I was designing a lab for one of the education Department’s I was pretty excited about the technology that was some 20 years ago all the new tools that were going to be available and how that was going to actually enhance a person’s ability to get more done to learn more and to communicate more effectively when I was designing a lab for one of the education department store was pretty excited about to take now so was cooking but that was so 20 years ago. Then I was excited about all the tools that were going to be available that was going to actually enhance by persons ability to get more done to learn more and do so more effeciently and effectively.

    But what I did not anticipate was the power that came to those who provided the technology the demands I didn’t expect that didn’t expect the kinds of censorship in demand of white speak that they seem to be imposing upon everyone. When I buy an Apple at the Grocer’s I never anticipate that the grower or the seller been going to demand that I eat it a certain way but I feel certain way that I slice it a certain way that I chew it a certain way . But that isn’t effect we’ve gotten with the tech companies.

    and despite my capitalist leanings and support for capitalism, I have to admit to being a little distressed about the way things are going as far as free markets work.. because I believe what we’re seeing is not capitalism at work but rather mercantilism at work in a way in which the politicians are now owned by the corporations.. Because I believe it were seeing is not capitals am at work but rather thepoliticians are now owned by the corporate and financial.

    But before we see the types of controls that you’re talking about we’re going to be witnessing a huge battle within the tech industry of self for who’s going to control what and who.

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
  28. Dr. Doom says:

    You mean the dotcom bubble that resorts to censorship?

    Those overlords are paper stock puppets!

  29. @Achmed E. Newman

    2) Turns out doing so will cause far more archival problems than I anticipated, especially with the way the comment threads are set up at UR. So it looks like I’ll be the loud-mouthed faux philosopher forever!

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  30. @Anon

    Indeed. Getting some 19 year-old fired from his cashier job at McDonald’s–that’s really sticking it to Goldman Sachs!

  31. @Mr. Rational

    Does the simulation have to scale all the way up to the universal level? The vast majority is in screen saver mode the vast majority of the time. If you pay close attention when you’re not expected to, it’s possible to identify as much–for example coming off a side street to turn onto another road without a car in sight in either direction–except for the one that is passing directly in front of you!

  32. songbird says:

    Speaking of tech companies, it is funny how Microsoft has long been perceived negatively. Probably because it charged money for many of its products. Possibly there is an analogy here to government. Where a lot of people like “free” things, regardless of the real cost.

    Of course, with Amazon there is a cost, but a gain in convenience.

  33. @Myon

    Yep, that’s why I put that “only applies… ” part. That WAS a muddle-up paragraph though.

  34. Young people unequivocally love all this crap. Only stupid old people do.

  35. @Audacious Epigone

    OK, and I remain,

    Achmed E. Newman

  36. @Anon

    It’s called “The Clarification”, to wit: “The left wing is just as bad as the right wing, and the worst of the left wing are even worse than the worst of the right wing, and that’s really bad.”

  37. Anonymous[298] • Disclaimer says:

    Most people prize convenience over all: YouTube, Amazon, Google and Facebook are all more convenient ways of satisfying basic human desires (entertainment, consumerism, information, and socialization). Of course people esteem these companies more highly than the opinions of a bunch of idiot politicians and equally moronic journalists who never have (and never will) do a single useful thing in their lives.

    This is also why Twitter is the least popular: it is the least useful. Lose Facebook and you’d never know that your high school friend just had a baby, but losing Twitter wouldn’t matter to most of its users.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
  38. @Screwtape

    I’ve never heard it mentioned once anywhere… but a most remarkable book is “Island” also by Huxley.

    It is fundamentally Brave New World all over again except THIS time the Huxley is now doing his damndest to consider his own personal vision of a horrifying dystopia… to be a legitimate utopia he yearns for.

    THAT seems to be the future. The ideologically and spiritually committed attempting to convince themselves that the vision of hell they’ve instantiated was actually heaven all along.

  39. @EliteCommInc.

    I appreciate my technology so as long as it’s useful but the obtrusiveness lack of privacy the demand that I give access in order to have use is in my view Beyond The Pale.. when I was designing a lab for one of the education Department’s I was pretty excited about the technology that was some 20 years ago all the new tools that were going to be available and how that was going to actually enhance a person’s ability to get more done to learn more and to communicate more effectively when I was designing a lab for one of the education department store was pretty excited about to take now so was cooking but that was so 20 years ago. Then I was excited about all the tools that were going to be available that was going to actually enhance by persons ability to get more done to learn more and do so more effeciently and effectively.

    Get a neuropsychological exam. You wrote 400 words of pure gibberish. Either you’re a very bad AI, or you’ve had a stroke. There is a third possibility, which two of us (perhaps more) have noticed, but will remain unstated.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Mr. Rational
  40. Talha says:
    @Stan d Mute

    Yeah – that was really weird. Something is very off, could also be a pattern of being inebriated.

    Peace.

  41. @MikeatMikedotMike

    With respect to #24

    Several years ago it was uncovered that members of the NSA data collection team were found to have engaged in nefarious data collection and manipulation of US citizens.

    It was not until my second Dell Computer that I became aware that that Dell wanted ownership of the computer until it was past its warranty. I remember the day they stopped providing reinstall disks for repairs, that in order to obtain a replacement part they required the old part in return. Bow they want access to your computer as routine to make repairs and double check the diagnostics so they claim, trying to decipher repairs with call centers in India, Mexico (they are the worst), Pakistan, etc. All of whom never cease to find a way to find something you need that they charge you for.

    And Heaven forbid that the connection be severed and you have to start the process all over again.

  42. Or it might be that I was handed a tablet, that my housemate is getting rid if because her smart phone is more that she needs. and I am experimenting with the voice transcription app, which does not require that I join some app club.

    Now I make no claims to being a writer, never have, never will, unless I submitting something official — I should take more time in proof reading, no doubt.

    I don’t drink. And have never been intoxicated. Here’s a solution — don’t respond to comments you don’t get or people you dislike.

    It’s pretty simple:

    The tech community has no mechanism by to control the population as is being suggested — not as “overlords”. That day has not yet come. There is no central hub of authority. That day may come. But it starts with owning the leadership class, that I think they are doing very well. Washington only pretends to be at odds with the companies who they are granting increased authority over. For example, Google (?) just hired a woman to deal with their security needs. This is the very same woman who was instrumental in designing the PA after 9/11. Her legal expertise will to protect Googles privacy issues —-

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  43. “Get a neuropsychological exam. You wrote 400 words of pure gibberish. Either you’re a very bad AI, or you’ve had a stroke. There is a third possibility, which two of us (perhaps more) have noticed, but will remain unstated.”

    Laughing. Faux consideration of others is not your strong suit.

    Or it might be that I was handed a tablet, that my housemate is getting rid if because her smart phone is more that she needs. and I am experimenting with the voice transcription app, which does not require that I join some app club. I should take more time in proof reading, no doubt.

    I don’t drink. And have never been intoxicated. Here’s a solution — don’t respond to comments you don’t get or people you dislike. And for better or worse, I don’t even use aspirin. And despite brain injury, I think I have manage to dismantle plenty of contentions by the likes my superior intellectuals.

    It’s pretty simple:

    The tech community has no mechanism by to control the population as is being suggested — not as “overlords”. That day has not yet come. There is no central hub of authority. That day may come. But it starts with owning the leadership class, that I think they are doing very well. Washington only pretends to be at odds with the companies who they are granting increased authority over. For example, Google (?) just hired a woman to deal with their security needs. This is the very same woman who was instrumental in designing the PA after 9/11. Her legal expertise will to protect Googles privacy issues —-

  44. Excuse the double post . . .

    It’s clear I don’t spend my days using technology as a major form to complain about the dangers of the same.

    laughing.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  45. @EliteCommInc.

    The tech community has no mechanism by to control the population as is being suggested — not as “overlords”. That day has not yet come. There is no central hub of authority. That day may come.

    Right now only manipulation can be done since tech companies don’t have militaries. Power arises from the ability to harm, not the ability to help. All they could do is attempting to shut down the internet or blackmailing people. If they really try the former both the gov and the people are going to shut them down. If they really try the latter then it will indeed cause serious global chaos. However these guys have enough incriminating info that they can’t save themselves from getting blackmailed either.

    In the future Zuckerberg et al may actually use robots to take over the world.

  46. “Right now only manipulation can be done since tech companies don’t have militaries. Power arises from the ability to harm, not the ability to help. All they could do is attempting to shut down the internet or blackmailing people.”

    Or consider this,

    as indicated by an issue by the author on another thread. The people’s confidence in government sinks so low that they actually perceive convenience as a mechanism by which they prefer to be governed and simply by pass government altogether. It might be an interesting research question.

    “US public does not trust the leadership political leadership”

    “The Tech Community has more social and political capital than government.”

    “Tech Leadership will not surpass the leadership of the political class.”

    “If the public does not trust the technology leaders more than politicians.”

    or some hypothesis around those issues and choices.

  47. @EliteCommInc.

    I think the author got the interpretation wrong.

    Tech elites haven’t become anti-tech or anti-addictive tech lol in the same sense that drug dealers who don’t use drugs aren’t anti-drugs. That is, they know very well what they are doing. They still give a shit about their families. Hence they want to keep addictive tech they themselves create out of their families.

  48. @Stan d Mute

    I believe the term is “word salad”, and while there are nuggets of meaning in that mish-mash it’s getting awfully close.

    “Word salad” speech is common in those with senile dementia, and also a certain, er, demographic.

    • Agree: Stan d Mute
  49. Screwtape says:
    @Anonymousse

    Thanks, I will definitely check out ‘Island’.

    As Deiter points out, the biology-behavior is the root of it; where truth resides, but also where a bottoms-up manipulation of those base elements can enslave as easily as one’s sovereignty of such can liberate.

    This is, of course, ancient, nothing new, but what might be new is the affront to ones mind at some very deep levels that techno-modernity presents.

    The speed at which the modern environment is impacting our bodies in both physical and spiritual ways presents challenges that do not yet have mature corollaries. There is a huge lag. And in that chasm, the left is insisting the religion of Progress.

    So ‘Island’ is quite plausible, given the lefts abandonment of any biological reality in favor of the cult. I see this germinating in things like ‘diversity is our strength’ quite plainly.

    The arrogance of modernity, much like that of youth, presumes current year superiority over the racist and sexist past.

    Nothing new about that either, except perhaps how tech is shaping (or erasing) the human bonds with our past and our true nature. And the fact that humans are nature.

    They’d have us live in tiny concrete boxes with soulless energy efficient blue lights where we would die a little every day while being constantly lectured to feel great because the ‘green’ roof on the building (required by the Government).

    I can’t help but to see a lot of anti-humanism in tech just as I do in leftism in general; be it climate change or the transhumanism that the tech lords are peddling, we are being primed to see our physical selves as nothing but burdensome meat sacks.

    The solution then is of course moar tech, more escapism, and the narcissistic soma of ‘evolving’ into our own private universes where we become God.

    The left has lost its grip of truth of biology in favor of Progress. So I can totally see the ‘build utopia, end up with dystopia, convince us that the latter is actually the former.’

    • Replies: @Lockean Proviso
  50. “Hence they want to keep addictive tech they themselves create out of their families.”

    I think the author in reference to the article is responding to the behavior of some prominent tech creators. And while it is possible that he is misreading that behavior, I am reminded that the creators of the atomic bomb were none too happy with their baby in the hands of anyone, much less government.

    It is entirely possible that the high tech creators have actually realized that they don’t control what they invented. The advent of free coding or code sharing – open source, the attacks on intellectual property technology are rapidly creating a “wild west” world that may actually be wild. I look at how many texts, and sights there that teach hacking and coding, programming. I fret about my web page being attacked, or out right stolen. I am also reminded of the inventor of Linux. his gift has a life all its own for which he is hardly remembered or compensated for developing. I was reading a sight reference in which he and others are going to make attempts to decouple the power structure of high tech.

    I don’t even appreciate the security software creators, because they are yesterdays hackers and they too require access to your system. i am not as confident as you that the people will rise up and demand anything. It’s not only that i am not all that confident in the public, but any consumer has the right to be reticent in challenging people who can make your life a living mess. I was at the dmv yesterday and despite getting a renewal ID in the mail, when I went to replace it they claimed it was expired and ignored the replacement and when that didn’t make sense they fell back on an issue regarding a state I left 30 plus years ago. Which had been resolved twice — angering these people, challenging their dependence on computers information as accurate —

    How many people may I have ticked off with power and an axe to grind . . .

    It may very well be the Tech creators “Oppenheimer – Einstein” moment of realization.

    I referred to it as their

    Oooopsie~

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  51. @EliteCommInc.

    just a side note: I am an advocate of free speech And you are certainly entitled to respond to me as you will. I would prefer to avoid colorful language in exchanges. My preference — not intended as any matter of judgement

  52. 216 says:

    O/T

    You cannot win this fight, stop engaging.

    The moral puritanism that white liberals get from Confederate-bashing is insurmountable absent the use of state power. This also needlessly antagonizes blacks, for no gain.

    The best response here is to do nothing and play dead.

  53. Hail says: • Website

    Some other small lessons on opinions on Twitter, attempting to control by race/age and split by sex and political-leanings:

    White males born c.1959-c.1998 who voted for Trump in 2016 (link) (n=391):
    – 66% Favorable
    – 27% Unfavorable
    – 8% Don’t Know
    – Very Favorable (29%) significantly outnumbers Very Unfavorable (10%).

    White females born c.1959-c.1998 who voted for Trump in 2016 (link) (n=360):
    – 56% Favorable
    – 24% Unfavorable
    – 20% Don’t Know
    – Very Favorable (18%) significantly outnumbers Very Unfavorable (5%).

    White males and females [insufficient data to split them] born c.1959-c.1998 who voted for Clinton in 2016 (link) (n=550):
    – 67% Favorable
    – 23% Unfavorable
    – 10% Don’t Know
    – Very Favorable (24%) hugely outnumbers Very Unfavorable (5%).

    Two things I read into this:

    (1) Among core demographics, the Left is more pro-Twitter than the Right by 2018/2019 (maybe always). That 5-to-1 Very Favorable to Very Unfavorable ratio for Clinton voters is telling; the implied both-sex White Trump voter overall Favorable (~61%) vs. the both-sex White Clinton voter overall Favorable (67%): The former’s margin-of-error probably falls just outside (below) the latter’s, suggesting the gap is likely real.

    I suspect the higher unfavorability on the Right is due to awareness among the politically engaged that Twitter censors the Right, and fairly actively/aggressively. Since this is a poll of all adults, the effect will be blunted (due to padding by low-info people), while a poll of the politically engaged alone may yield higher negatives for people on the Right.

    (2) On average, women are a lot less engaged in things like Twitter as demonstrated by the 2.5x higher “Don’t Know” rate for women than men.

  54. @EliteCommInc.

    Shouldn’t this voice transcription program bracket “laughing”? And instead of [laughing], shouldn’t it be [laughter]?

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  55. 216 says:

    https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/a3xgq5/why-wont-twitter-treat-white-supremacy-like-isis-because-it-would-mean-banning-some-republican-politicians-too

    Something of a field day for the left in here.

    This is part of the reason I hedge against an anti-media sentiment. While the public (rightfully) expresses skepticism of journalists, they are much more skeptical of media executives.

    Trump got media access because he drove ratings and profits higher, but the media isn’t falling for that trick twice. And the left furiously punished any advertisers out of Breitbart.

    I don’t think there is an easy solution here. The correct thing to do is to delete Big Social and move to Gab, but our people don’t want to do that. No leftist Congress or leftist judge is ever going to acede to “Bigots’ Rights”. Doing the same thing isn’t going to work, and complaining only makes us look weak.

  56. @Audacious Epigone

    Laughing . . .

    [laughter]

    I have no idea.

    {laugh track}

  57. Speaking of technology.

    I have been visiting this site for a couple of years. However, I did check out the features during my first visits. Which leaves me a tad perplexed about the block feature.

    While commenters can be as much of a pain as they might consider myself, I have never chosen to block anyone. But in the block feature it has always listed the editor as blocked and some uncomplimentary reasons why. Despite my attempts to remove said block, it has never gone away. I concluded that it was just a sample and not an actual block on my end.

    Nonetheless, I found it odd.

    • Replies: @Hail
  58. Hail says: • Website
    @EliteCommInc.

    in the block feature it has always listed the editor as blocked and some uncomplimentary reasons why

    Do you mean this:

    Commenters to ignore (one per line):
    – Ron Unz
    – Boring-Windbag

    [Save List] [Cancel]

    I believe that is a joke by Ron Unz, to show people how to add a handle to the block list, using two example handles, one “Ron Unz” and two, someone with the preposterous handle “Boring-Windbag” (who I see has yet to comment).

    Are you really blocked from seeing Ron Unz’ comments?

  59. @Screwtape

    Human-caused climate change itself is a product of denial of nature and of a cult of Progress in the interest of ease and convenience. It is very true that the modernization afforded by fossil fuels has improved human life, but beyond a certain point it began adding layers of fat and denial. We could well have made a switch to cleaner, renewable energy, but existing interests fought the rational choice, one that would have enabled greater independence from entangling alliances and the expansion of imperial power. You may deny that the science and data are real, just as the left denies clear, long-extant data and science about race, criminality, and intelligence.

    “They’d have us live in tiny concrete boxes with soulless energy efficient blue lights where we would die a little every day while being constantly lectured to feel great because the ‘green’ roof on the building (required by the Government).”

    Actually concrete is a significant source of carbon emissions, so they’d more like a tiny bamboo or wood box :). LED light is clear and bright, and rooftop solar if you’re not in the Pacific NW lets you save money and not depend so much on the power company. The corporate right would have people live in a soulless McMansion, get into an oversized box and drive through an hour of choking, generic sprawl to get places. Walkable, bikeable neighborhoods are good- they get people off their tails and moving out of doors, if they want. They have that choice and that incentive, as opposed to being cooped up in a box, unable to safely leave except in a car.

    “I can’t help but to see a lot of anti-humanism in tech just as I do in leftism in general; be it climate change or the transhumanism that the tech lords are peddling, we are being primed to see our physical selves as nothing but burdensome meat sacks.”

    Perhaps at the nutty fringes of the tech movement, but in general the more conservative an area, the less likely people are to see any value in going outside and more likely to have higher rates of obesity. Many of these unfortutnates have succombed to mindless consumerism, transforming their own bodies into actual grossly fat ‘burdensome meat sacks’. However, white liberals and leftists are more likely to recreate out of doors and to be physicially fit. Many of them may be idiots in denial about the serious ramifications of encouraging illegal immigration, enabling black criminality, censorship and lowering standards, but they do have a healthier lifestyle and value conservation more than most conservatives.

    I am a race-realist Southern liberal- not leftist- who grew up with guns, motorcycles, and going to church regularly. I live in a very Republican small town with a low crime rate and a real walkable, liveable downtown that is run by pragmatists, not idealogues. I had over a decade of experience with working blue collar jobs on my feet before I attended and graduated from a selective university. Our culture war is stupid and I find the discourse of both parties to be an increasingly ludicrous sideshow.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
  60. @Lockean Proviso

    We could well have made a switch to cleaner, renewable energy

    Stop repeating Greenie propaganda.  Just stop it.  It is mind pollution; get it OUT of your head.

    You cannot fix a problem if you don’t understand it, or deliberately misunderstand it.  Take “renewable energy”.  Today there are billions of people living on “renewables”.  The overwhelming majority live in grinding poverty and die by the millions each year from causes like lung disease from the smoke from indoor dung fires, but their energy is “renewable” and “green”.  It’s also filthy and dangerous.

    The first uses of “renewable” energy like wind power are ancient, lost in the mists of time.  Holland, Denmark and Spain (think Don Quixote) were among the countries with fairly advanced technology for harnessing wind many hundreds of years ago.  This energy milled grain and pumped water… and not too much else.  Where municipal water systems existed (e.g. Rome) they were powered by gravity and required suitable geography.  People didn’t have them most places because they COULDN’T have them most places.

    You can’t power a municipal water system with “renewables” (wind and solar).  If you lose pressure in your fresh water, contaminants leak in and you have to purge the system.  If you lose power to your sewage lift pumps, your sewers back up into buildings and onto the streets.  You can’t heat your house with wind and solar either; it only takes one dark, windless stretch to kill you in a northern winter.

    You can use wood as a storable form of renewable energy, but it has extremely low productivity and entire countries have been denuded for firewood before.  This is why coal immediately became popular once the pump technology was invented to keep mines from flooding.  Dirty air was better than freezing to death.  Greenie propaganda is carefully crafted to make you forget just such essential facts as this.

    existing interests fought the rational choice

    “Renewables” are the failed and abandoned option.  I’ll let you figure out what the “rational choice” is as part of mentally cleaning house of that Greenie propaganda.  Hint:  Sweden and France.

    • Agree: Almost Missouri
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  61. @Mr. Rational

    “You can use wood as a storable form of renewable energy, but it has extremely low productivity and entire countries have been denuded for firewood before. ”

    People (especially GW zealots) don’t realize that burning wood creates more carbon emissions than burning coal:

    https://grist.org/climate-energy/whats-worse-than-burning-coal-burning-wood/

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
  62. @Audacious Epigone

    Is it possible that respondents to this poll answered not so much the question of baleful influence of social media companies but rather the question of if they personally happen to like the companies’ products?

    Since almost everyone uses Google, YouTube, Amazon as products, and therefore has a favorable perception. Fewer use Twitter and Facebook, so naturally they have a lower opinion of the product. Or maybe causation runs the other way: negative perceptions of Facebook, for example, lead to aversion to their product. But still, the point is that we’re thinking of the influence of the company, while perhaps the poll respondents are thinking of whether they like the products.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  63. @Almost Missouri

    Yes, it certainly is, though I guess we could argue that we use the “products” of our congress critters, too. There is little question that they are ostensibly giving lots of people what they want, so I can understand why their high approval ratings are perceived as not necessarily undeserved.

  64. “Are you really blocked from seeing Ron Unz’ comments?”

    Not to my knowledge.

  65. @MikeatMikedotMike

    People (especially GW zealots) don’t realize that burning wood creates more carbon emissions than burning coal

    True.  Wood emits more carbon per BTU than the same energy from coal.  (This is because a large part of wood is carbohydrates, which are already partially oxidized and have the overhead of heating and freeing the water [the “hydrate” portion] as part of extracting the energy of the carbon.)

    However, if you’re burning wood the carbon going into the atmosphere has only recently come out of the atmosphere, generally 20-40 years ago.  If you plant another tree or three they’ll close the loop on that carbon.  The problem is that there just isn’t enough land to do that for our huge population.

    I burn wood anyway.  I have dead trees and using them to replace natural gas is better than letting them rot and go back to the atmosphere without so doing.

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
  66. @Mr. Rational

    Wood is fine – what enviro-loons don’t realize is that man has always, until recently, sought more and more efficient ways of producing energy throughout their history. Wood, to coal, to petroleum to natural gas to nuclear, etc.

    The more efficient energy production becomes, the less fuel is wasted, meaning less emissions. You know this and I know this, but many normies don’t realize it, and they are being led to believe a return to primitive energy consumption is better for the environment. It clearly isn’t.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
  67. @MikeatMikedotMike

    The more efficient energy production becomes, the less fuel is wasted, meaning less emissions. You know this and I know this, but many normies don’t realize it, and they are being led to believe a return to primitive energy consumption is better for the environment.

    If you really want to see Greenie heads asplode, talk to them about 100% solar energy… from solar power satellites in geosynchronous orbit, beaming energy down as microwaves.  That gets rid of all of the intermittency problems and almost all of the land-use problems (receiving antennas are almost-transparent mesh grids that you can farm beneath)… and they are uniformly dead-set against it.

    Some of the most fascinating bits of related technology are in fuel chemistry, specifically ways to convert crop wastes and other carbonaceous junk into useful liquids.  These are key to doing what they say they want, but you talk to Greenies about them and you get totally blank looks.  Most have never taken a course in chemistry, physics or any hard science.

    Were it up to me, I’d insist on numeracy and scientific literacy before anyone could vote or hold office.

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