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Through the first four debates of the 2020 Democrat primary election cycle, candidates have mentioned the middle class an average of 5.3 times. Through the first six debates of 2016, candidates mentioned the middle class an average of 12.5 times. Rhetorical attention paid to the middle class has been cut by more than half on the Democrat side over the last four years, this in spite of the 2020 debates being longer than the 2016 debates were.

Though Bernie Sanders gets criticized for saying the same thing every time he’s in a televised debate, his rhetorical shift on this has been remarkable. In the 2016 cycle, he mentioned the middle class 30 times in the first four debates he was in. In his first for debates in the 2020 cycle, he has only mentioned the middle class one single time.

Mentions by candidates in the first four 2016 debates:

Sanders — 30
Clinton — 16
O’Malley — 3
Chafee — 1

Mentions by candidates in the first four 2020 debates:

Warren — 12
Biden — 6
Bennett, de Blasio, Ryan, O’Rourke — 2
Sanders, Delaney, Hickenlooper, Buttigieg, Gillibrand, Harris — 1

My working assumption is that the phrase “middle class” is viewed as a soft synonym for “white America”. Appealing to it is increasingly deemed unacceptable by the Woke. Sanders, being in touch with organic American progressivism, is ahead of the curve on this. Elizabeth Warren, the corporate conjecture of what a real progressive looks and sounds like, hasn’t figured it out yet.

Transcripts: First 2020 debate (N1), first 2020 debate (N2), second 2020 debate (N1), second 2020 debate (N2), third 2020 debate, fourth 2020 debate, first 2016 debate, second 2016 debate, third 2016 debate, fourth 2016 debate, fifth 2016 debate, sixth 2016 debate

 
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  1. unit472 says:

    What is left of the middle class are already core Democrat constituencies. Administrators and faculty at our public school systems and universities, non profits feeding off of government contracts and most of corporate America. People whose paychecks and pensions are secure and funded by government spending. There is no need to appeal to these voters because they are already on board and it is best to not call attention to them anyway because anyone not part of this club is hanging on to middle class status by their fingernails and are only a corporate downsizing or merger away from being made redundant.

    There are still a few pockets of private industry and occupations that offer middle class incomes. Airline pilots, energy companies and utilities, tradesmen/contractors and the like but they cause climate change and you can’t just bullshit your way in those industries.

    • Replies: @Mark G.
    , @byrresheim
  2. I think the avoidance of the term middle class if in fact avoidance is what it is, is much simpler to identify.

    It’s an admission that the middle class is declining and that despite the chest pounding about a robust stock market — the overall economic broad view of economic health indicated by an expanding middle class is not healthy.

    That’s the real issue regarding the economy — a shrinking middle class. And the careless attempts to prop it up or perhaps lower expectations with more government tiers as safety nets.

    Anything is better than facing the reality, that mercantile economics is on the rise aided and supported by government is undermining broad spreading of wealth for the increased concentration of the same.

    Noting middle class means coming face to face with that economic reality of its dissipation and what that says about our economic growth and health.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  3. iffen says:

    Mirror, Mirror on the Wall
    Who is the Wokist One of All

  4. Franz says:

    Blue Wall People might talk right, but must vote Democrat.

    Since Blue Wall People make up or serve in some capacity the Security State, and it accounts for millions of jobs, we might as well just admit we’re a Blue Nation, forever or till the lights go out and we have to start building a real, basic industrial-agricultural nation again, the one foolishly chucked away in the 80s-90s as the industries left and farm economics mutated to favor agri-corp and cheap labor.

    On the upside, the Blue Wall People give us a pretty good definition of what a “post industrial economy” actually looks likes: Snitches, screws, snoops, busybodies, drag queen story hour funders and all those who support it, knowingly or not.

  5. alexander says:

    BUILDING OUT vs. BLOWING UP

    China 2000-2020 vs. USA 2000-2020

    Unlike the USA (under Neocon stewardship) China has not squandered twenty trillion dollars of its national solvency bombing countries which never attacked it post 9-11.

    China’s leaders (unlike our own) never LIED its people into launching obscenely expensive, illegal wars of aggression across the middle east. (WMD’s, Mushroom clouds, Yellow Cake, etc.)

    China has used its wealth and resources to build up its infrastructure, build out its capital markets, and turbo charge its high tech sectors. As a consequence, it has lifted nearly half a billion people out of poverty. There has been an explosion in the growth of the “middle class” in China. Hundreds of millions of Chinese are now living comfortable “upwardly mobile” lives.

    The USA, on the other hand, having been defrauded by its “ruling elites” into launching and fighting endless illegal wars, is now 23 trillion dollars in catastrophic debt.
    NOT ONE PENNY of this heinous “overspending” has been dedicated to building up OUR infrastructure, or BUILDING OUT our middle class.

    It has all gone into BLOWING UP countries which never (even) attacked us on 9-11.

    As a consequence , the USA is fast becoming a failed nation, a nation where all its wealth is being siphoned into the hands of its one percent “war pilfer-teers”.

    It is so sad to have grown up in such an amazing country , with such immense resources and possibilities, and having to bear witness to it going down the tubes.

    To watch all our sovereign wealth being vaporized by our “lie us into endless illegal war” ruling elites…is truly heartbreaking.

    It is as shameful as it is tragic.

  6. Anonymous[656] • Disclaimer says:

    There still seems to be quite a big distinction between “working class” and “middle class” in Britain. Working class English are portrayed as racist, violent, lazy, pro-Brexit, etc. Middle class English are portrayed as tolerant, refined, well educated, pro-Europe, etc. To a certain extent class is also a regional divider in England, working class = Northern, middle class = Southern.

    In reality the distinction is not as simple as that and support for Brexit is common among both the working class and middle class, but politicians are determined to turn it into a class issue, probably as a means of tipping the balance in favour of Remain. I doubt that terms like “working class” and “middle class” will be disappearing from British political rhetoric any time soon because class divisions are vital to the political establishment in promoting their agendas.

    • Replies: @El Dato
  7. Beckow says:

    Recent class history of US is quite simple: the elite class first tried to shift the burden of supporting the lower classes on the middle class with taxation. But as the lower class became demographically distinct, partially via mass immigration, the elites decided to ally with the ‘underpriviledged‘ via identity posturing and squeeze no longer needed middle class out of existence.

    What’s left are government employees, a few corporate sinecures, NGO parasitic sector, and old people. The rest will be melded into a few mutually antagonistic tribal groups providing ever cheaper service labor. With an occasional lottery winner to showcase mobility. Actually very similar to what happened in Latin America in the past few centuries.

    The truth is that for the Clintonite-Bushite elite almost all Americans are ‘deplorable’. What is fun for them is to play geopolitics – the elite version of corporate travel perks – just look at how shocked they are that Trump is not playing along.

    • Agree: El Dato
  8. My working assumption is that the phrase “middle class” is viewed as a soft synonym for “white America”.

    That’s really a pretty good assumption when it comes to attitudes and voting habits of this class. There IS a black middle class, but a big chunk of that works for governments of all shapes and sizes. You KNOW who they support.

    • Replies: @Counterinsurgency
  9. SFG says:

    Sanders was always notoriously behind on intersectionality; if anything Warren has played that game better than him. Remember the endorsement from the black/nonbinary wxmxn’s group?

    I think either (a) lots of working Americans no longer identify with ‘middle class’ or (b) the democratic socialism thing’s gotten too much steam. It *is* true the progressive left has gotten way more anti-white in the past few years.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  10. Liquidate the Kulaks.

  11. songbird says:

    I always thought “working class” was a favorite phrase of Democrats, which was seemingly code for “people on welfare.”

    • Replies: @Ray Huffman
  12. What is left of the middle class are already core Democrat constituencies.

    White government workers — including as such all the boneheads who work for corporations reliant on government funding and contracts for their pay and benefits — are a giant collection of bought and paid for labor aristocracy whores, to be sure. Might be harsh, might be Marx type talk, but it’s true.

    Administrators and faculty at our public school systems and universities, non profits feeding off of government contracts and most of corporate America. People whose paychecks and pensions are secure and funded by government spending.

    The student loan debt bomb is an evil attack on young White people and the proceeds from that evil fattens the pay and benefits of hundreds of thousands of government workers and others who clam rake loot from the trillion and a half dollars of student loan debt bomb money accumulated each year.

    The JEW/WASP ruling class of the American Empire re-inflated the imploded housing bubble with 8 years of ZIRP — zero interest rate policy — and massive amounts of quantitative easing from the privately-controlled Federal Reserve Bank. The JEW/WASP ruling class of the American Empire did this to make sure that government workers could clam rake their cut of property taxes for their pay and benefits.

    There is no need to appeal to these voters because they are already on board and it is best to not call attention to them anyway because anyone not part of this club is hanging on to middle class status by their fingernails and are only a corporate downsizing or merger away from being made redundant.

    Whites born before 1965 were bought off with monetary extremism from the Fed — a massive bond bubble and 3 different asset bubbles. The current asset bubble in stocks, bonds and real estate is only kept inflated by monetary extremism interventionism from the globalized central banks.

    We don’t have capitalism — we have central banker shysterism.

    The normal federal funds rate was 6 percent. Yellen was talking about 4 percent being the new normal federal funds rate.

    Powell started raising the federal funds rate until the asset bubbles started to implode and now he has got the federal funds rate below 2 percent.

    Young White people must refuse to pay all government debt and they must declare all government debt to be ODIOUS DEBT. Young White people can make the case that the anti-White totalitarian US government regime run by the JEW/WASP ruling class of the American Empire has no legitimacy to make the young White American citizens pay for debt accumulated by anti-White totalitarian regime politician puppets.

  13. The Disappearing Middle Class

    The JEW/WASP ruling class of the American Empire is colluding with other ruling classes in other nations to concentrate wealth and power in the hands of the globalized plutocrats and to drive income inequality.

    The globalized central banker shysters are using monetary policy to create massive asset bubbles that benefit the globalizer plutocrats.

    The globalized central banker shysters are doing the bidding of greedy globalizer billionaires and other globalized interests.

    The JEW/WASP ruling class of the American Empire is using mass legal immigration and mass illegal immigration to drive down wages and replace American workers. This increases income inequality and it destroys the middle class.

    Monetary Policy and Immigration Policy are being used by the JEW/WASP ruling class of the American Empire to attack and destroy the middle class and to attack and destroy cultural cohesion and national sovereignty.

    Mass legal immigration and mass illegal immigration lowers wages, increases housing costs, swamps schools, overwhelms hospitals, increases income inequality, harms the environment, causes urban and suburban sprawl, destroys habitat for wildlife, brings crime and infectious diseases to the USA, destroys cultural cohesion and national sovereignty and brings Islamic terrorism to the USA.

    NATIONALIZE THE FEDERAL RESERVE BANK NOW!

    IMMIGRATION MORATORIUM NOW!

    DEPORT ALL ILLEGAL ALIEN INVADERS NOW!

  14. SafeNow says:

    That’s fascinating about the declining “middle class” usage. A “soft synonym” that has gone in the opposite direction, I think, is “the community.”

  15. The white middle class is the only group that might effectively resist Globohomo’s designs on total power.

    Blacks? Too dumb. Will be disposed of once Globohomo is finished the job.
    Hispanics? Used to corrupt one party systems. Give them cerveza and Netflix and they’re good.
    East Asians? Perfectly fine with living like bug people.
    South Asians? Cowardly; will go with the flow.

    The middle class is almost completely unique to white people.

    Racial aliens cannot wrap their minds around being middle class. They think I’m crazy for appreciating my 2009 Honda Accord. They literally cannot understand why somebody would want to live a frugal and mundane life. They are desperate to be like Drake… but most end up broke. It will be very easy for GloboHomo to control a bucket of poor brown slop.

    • Replies: @Brown Boiii
  16. Svevlad says:

    Ah yes, apparatchiks. The worst kind of person

  17. El Dato says:

    Blue means Red. Super-Duper, 1917 style Red. Killing Kulaks and all.

    ‘Reverse Pol Pot’: Berkeley philosophy lecturer slammed after saying rural Americans made ‘bad life decisions’ & should be SHAMED

    A Harvard-educated UC Berkeley philosophy lecturer is catching flak for bashing rural Americans as parasites on more “efficient” city-dwellers. He has since apologized for the tone of the original tweets, but not their substance.

    Disdain for “flyover country” by the coastal elites is a trope of American politics and culture wars at this point, but Jackson Kernion apparently sought to embody it with a series of tweets this week, declaring that Americans living in the countryside should not be “subsidized by those who choose a more efficient way of life.”

    The most common response was people pointing out that rural America is where all the food for the cities is grown. “Is this satire?” and “How is this person a real person?” were other frequent reactions.

    The answers to those questions appear to be no and yes, respectively. Kernion’s Twitter feed is filled with praises of Democratic presidential candidate Elizabeth Warren and her “wealth tax” proposal, as well as the “Great Awokening,” so-called “woke capitalism,” and “LIBERAL SOCIETY.”

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  18. Dumbo says:

    The “middle-class” seems to be a singularly white phenomenon.

    Even in Latin America, the small middle class is mostly white(ish), while blacks and browns are mostly poor.

    You have a larger middle class in Europe and North America (for now) because the countries are still majority white. But as whites disappear, so does the middle class.

    This is the plan for the USA/Europe, remove middle class whites and leave only a small rich elite and a majority of poor brown people.

  19. anon[273] • Disclaimer says:

    Politicians go where the votes are. In the Democratic party primaries the votes are best found among the most fervent party members. In this cycle that means the Woke, or as the Chinese refer to them 白左 (Baizuo). These are upper middle class and higher, plus working poor in the gig economy. Getting blacks on board is a bonus.

    None of those people are prone to self-identify with the boring middle class. Therefore politicians seeking the nomination won’t talk about the middle class. This is not complicated.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  20. @Achmed E. Newman

    There IS a black middle class, but a big chunk of that works for governments of all shapes and sizes.

    Strictly speaking, there is no more “middle class” in the sense of the classical economists: a person with just enough capital to live off the income if he works the capital himself or herself. By this definition professionals (lawyers, dentists, physicians, small store owners, even spinsters [1] and hand loom operators in a sense) were middle class. Upper class had enough property to turn it over to managers, lower class had little or no property and worked for others (servants and farm workers, for example). Paupers didn’t earn enough income per year to feed themselves and didn’t live all that long, usually.

    What we have is “middle income” people, almost all of whom work as an employee of some organization — people who would be considered “lower class” by the classical economists because they don’t have freedom of action and make no independent decisions about how the capital of their organizations is spent. Today they are considered “intelligentsia”, educated government workers, or, by analogy, educated corporate workers. IMHO, intelligentsia is a suicide job, and is responsible for the depressed fertility rate, but that’s just me.

    Back in the AD 1800s and pre-AD 1930 there were many black middle class people. usually concentrating on selling to black clientele. Now there are effectively none outside of criminal activities, usually petty criminal. And so it goes.

    Of course, back then there were many white middle class people also, usually concentrating on selling to white clientele. Now there are effectively none, except in some rural areas. And so it goes.

    Counterinsurgency

    1] Cottagers who made their living spinning wool skeins into wool threads.

  21. @EliteCommInc.

    Are we to the point where we’ve collectively resigned ourselves to the death of the middle class? In the early 2000s, the talk was as you point out often about the “shrinking middle class”. At some point it shrinks to such a point that it doesn’t make sense to even talk about it anymore.

  22. @SFG

    He doesn’t like intersectionality, but my sense is he’s realized the electoral weakness that creates in the primaries and has calibrated accordingly. Look at his newest plan on immigration. This coming from the guy who called open borders a Koch brothers proposal four years ago.

  23. Mark G. says:
    @unit472

    A lot of the middle class are Democrats but not particularly liberal. Many of them vote Democrat only when they personally benefit. For example, my parents were suburban public school teachers. They voted for Democrats at the state level because the Democrats supported better pay and benefits for teachers but voted for Republicans like Goldwater and Reagan at the national level because Republicans would keep their federal taxes lower. They had no political philosophy. It was all about what left them financially better off. My parents also got on well with their suburban neighbors. Suburbanites generally like their local school system and its teachers and the suburban school systems are usually careful not to engage in teaching anything controversial. A lot of the government employed white middle class would be like my parents. Except in situations where specific Republicans talk about major cuts to their pay and pensions they are perfectly willing to consider voting Republican. They are generally social moderates, like the status quo, are fairly traditionalist and don’t want any radical changes. Since the Democrats seem be trending in a radical direction, this would put off a lot of them. Trump would be more appealing as the status quo candidate. When running the last time, he carefully avoided talking about any major cuts in government spending and he’s governed that way too. At the same time, his talk of cutting immigration, his lack of enthusiasm for nonwhite affirmative action, and his more traditional views on social issues is appealing to the white middle class.

  24. anon[201] • Disclaimer says:

    Wealth held by the top 1% is now close to equal or greater than wealth held by the entire middle class.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-11-09/one-percenters-close-to-surpassing-wealth-of-u-s-middle-class

    Something similar was seen in the 1890’s, the “gilded age”. This is one reason why Warren’s “wealth tax” has traction among likely voters.

  25. The privately-controlled Federal Reserve Bank is owned and controlled by globalizer plutocrats who use monetary extremism to clam rake more loot out of the rigged system of financialization and globalization.

    The globalized plutocrats are deliberately attacking the White middle class by using monetary extremism to crush the middle class.

    There is no such thing as capitalism; there is only globalized central banker shysterism.

    NATIONALIZE THE FEDERAL RESERVE BANK NOW!

  26. Bernie Sanders Is Attacking American Workers By Pushing Mass Legal Immigration And Mass Illegal Immigration

    I wrote this in May of 2018 about the Bernie Sanders Betrayal Of American Workers On Immigration:

    Bernie Sanders changed his position on the wage-reducing effects of mass immigration because he is a no integrity shyster from Brooklyn.

    Bernie Sanders moved to Vermont to avoid having to live around Blacks and other non-Whites.

    Bernie Sanders is a Jew who loves to live around the Anglo-Celtic people in Vermont. Bernie Sanders is the type of Jew who shows no gratitude to the European Christian ancestral core of the United States for allowing his Jew people to infiltrate America.

    Bernie Sanders sings we all came to loot America along with Paul Simon.

    I would rhetorically eviscerate Bernie Sanders in a 4 hour debate on mass immigration, globalization, multiculturalism and American national identity.

    I seem angry with Bernie Sanders because he once had a trade unionist position on the wage-reducing effects of mass immigration, but he changed his position to appease the open borders mass immigration supporting elements in the Democrat Party. Bernie Sanders was my Sam Gompers trade unionist Jew hero when he bashed the Koch boys for pushing wage-reducing mass immigration.

    Tweets from 2015:

  27. Bernie Sanders Broke My Heart On Wage-Reducing Mass Immigration.

    Bernie Sanders Betrayed The Spirit Of Sam Gompers On Anti-Worker Mass Immigration.

    Bernie — How Could You Do That?

    In 2015, Bernie Sanders changed his tune on the wage-reducing effects of mass legal immigration and mass illegal immigration. Bernie Sanders decided to side with the CHEAP LABOR FACTION of the ruling class. Bernie Sanders has no integrity.

    Tweets from 2014 and 2015:

    • Replies: @WorkingClass
  28. The term middle class is used in the U.S. to mean middle income. It has nothing to do with class. Why not just say what you mean? Most of the middle class that we say is disappearing is really that rarest of phenomenons. A prosperous working class. The prosperous American working class is no longer prosperous due to the Neoliberal agenda. Free trade, open borders and the financialization of everything.

    Americans know nothing of class dynamics. Not even the so called socialists. They don’t even see the economy. All they see is people with infinite need and government with infinite wealth. In their world all of Central America can come to the U.S. and the government (if it only wants to) can give them all homes, health care and education.

    Lets stop saying class when we mean income. Not using the word class would be better than abusing it.

    Anyway. Yes. Middle Class denotes white people. The coalition of the fringes is neither working, middle nor ruling class. They are black or brown. They are perverts or feminists. If the workers among them identified as working class they would find common ground with the Deplorables. We can’t have that now can we.

    • Agree: Counterinsurgency
    • Replies: @Rosie
  29. @Charles Pewitt

    Agree at 25. Agree at 26. Agree at 27.

  30. @El Dato

    My view: Agree and amplify. It’s BS that the urbane cosmopolitans have to share a country with and allegedly subsidize flyover country. We should separate.

  31. @anon

    Was it that much different in 2016? Or were the Dem candidates just not calibrated to it as effectively as they are now?

    • Replies: @anon
  32. Rosie says:
    @Audacious Epigone

    Are we to the point where we’ve collectively resigned ourselves to the death of the middle class?

    In the neoliberal worldview, the middle class is illegitimate, existing only as a consequence of artificial trade and immigration barriers. Anytime Americans are spied out making a good living, there is a “shortage” that must be addressed with more visas. Or else there is an “inefficiency” where other countries could provide said service or produce said product for less because they have a “comparative advantage.”

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  33. @Audacious Epigone

    excuse the late reply.

    I think the middle had better fight back. I think they had better elect local, state and national reps who understand that private capital needs to flow not only up and down but sideways.

    And anyone who supports employing illegal immigrants — or increased immigration should not be returned to a seat of politcal admin.

    And when the corporate world retaliates, Those same political leaders should shrug their shoulders enforce the law and promote businesses that hire citizens.

    They should further prepare the country for what will be an economic shift, that will not require a lower standard of living as it promotes and empowers US independence and economic strength.

    But that vision takes a stalwart disposition.

    And the middle class should also make a statement about their dwindling incomes as those employed to govern expand. After what was learned after 2007, that any member of any legislature had the temerity to vote themselves a raise —-

    goodness gracious.

    note: i am looking for a governor who upon being threatened to take their multimillion dollar business elsewhere . . .

    says

    “Sorry to hear that. I am looking forward to your competition waiting for an opening. Adieu.”

  34. Rosie says:
    @WorkingClass

    Anyway. Yes. Middle Class denotes white people. The coalition of the fringes is neither working, middle nor ruling class. They are black or brown. They are perverts or feminists. If the workers among them identified as working class they would find common ground with the Deplorables. We can’t have that now can we.

    I don’t know about that anymore. Increasingly, “middle class” means Asian, with Whiteness being associated with the lower middle class (or perhaps “working class”). Sometimes the media uses the term ” noncollege Whites,” which I think is actually very apt. They are the ones who identify with Whiteness the most.

    • Agree: Counterinsurgency
  35. anon[195] • Disclaimer says:
    @Audacious Epigone

    Was it that much different in 2016? Or were the Dem candidates just not calibrated to it as effectively as they are now?

    Both, frankly. Wokeness has spread a lot wider through the Party, and…wait, what candidates besides Hillary! are you referring to? It was Her Turn, and that was that.

  36. @Rosie

    I was hoping the RAISE act or something like it would help wake the middle class up to how immigration visas don’t just mean cheaper chalupas and more pliable fruit pickers–they mean fewer jobs and lower wages for white collar workers, too.

  37. @unit472

    People whose paychecks and pensions are secure and funded by government spending. 

    Precise language helps.

    May I propose “People whose paychecks and pensions seem secure to themselves and to most others because they are funded by government spending. ”

    (Emphasis to highlight proposed changes)

  38. El Dato says:
    @Anonymous

    Red George on Electoral euthanasia in the UK: The Grim Reaper of liberalism is stalking (by George Galloway)

    Britain’s liberal europhiles, still convinced that they lost the Brexit vote because ‘Workington Men’ are too old and stupid to appreciate their virtues, would rather euthanize them from the ballot box.

    That political discourse has coarsened during this century can scarcely be gainsaid. The availability of the means to insult people without looking them in the eyes, to slander without much fear of legal retribution, has emboldened the most egregious slurs and stereotypes.

    The British General Election has only just begun and a new stereotype – ‘Workington Man’ – has been produced by the spin-doctors as the microcosm of swing-vote Britain.

    Predictably, it is a ‘he’ (he has no wife, daughters, sisters or mother, apparently), is northern working class and has no university education.

    Speaking as a northern working class male with no university education myself, I can well understand the sting of the assumption that we are thick, probably racist, and voted for Brexit.

  39. iffen says:

    The middle class as we knew it was likely a one-off event. Parlaying the exploitation of the New World, industrialization, protection from the destruction of Germany’s wars provided by the Atlantic and Pacific and reaping the last benefits of productivity growth provided by industrialization as the world hegemon produced a society “out of sync” with what we know about agricultural societies. Unless the UMC notices the creeping tide of immiseration coming their way and acts, it will be a Gamma, Delta and Epsilon world for most. Even the UMC waking up and taking political action may not be enough. Cosmic bureaucratic inefficiency and entrophy will likely take us down anyway. Now where is that last can of soma?

  40. @Audacious Epigone

    “Are we to the point where we’ve collectively resigned ourselves to the death of the middle class? ”

    Don’t you read your own blog?

    • Agree: iffen
  41. @EliteCommInc.

    I think the middle had better fight back.

    They will fight back when there is no alternative. Anglo Saxons are as bad as Sun Tsu’s [1] Chinese troops in that regard — they fight when they have to, and not before. It’s a strength when there is peace with no attackers, and the strength can be mobilized as a superior capital base when obvious attackers arrive, but it’s not so good at beating infiltration, which is the current problem.

    Counterinsurgency

    1] Sun-Tsu thought that his troops would fight best when they knew that losing would kill them, and that this would give troops fighting for their lives more combat power. No point shirking when that buys you maybe ten minutes of an exhausting run followed by a spear thrust.

    This has been used by Western commanders also — Cortes burned his boats on the Mexican shore to et 100^ effort from his troops, and won. Emperor Julian did the same thing when invading Mesopotamia, and the entire force plus Julian was lost. Sic friat crustulum.

    https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/6585158-in-difficult-ground-press-on-in-encircled-ground-devise-stratagems

  42. @EliteCommInc.

    I think the middle had better fight back.

    They will fight back when there is no alternative. Anglo Saxons are as bad as Sun Tsu’s [1] Chinese troops in that regard — they fight when they have to, and not before. It’s a strength when there is peace with no attackers, and the strength can be mobilized as a superior capital base when obvious attackers arrive, but it’s not so good at beating infiltration, which is the current problem.

    Counterinsurgency

    1] Sun-Tsu thought that his troops would fight best when they knew that losing would kill them, and that this would give troops fighting for their lives more combat power. No point shirking when that buys you maybe ten minutes of an exhausting run followed by a spear thrust.

    This has been used by Western commanders also — Cortes burned his boats on the Mexican shore to et 100^ effort from his troops, and won. Emperor Julian did the same thing when invading Mesopotamia, and the entire force plus Julian was lost. Sic friat crustulum.

    https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/6585158-in-difficult-ground-press-on-in-encircled-ground-devise-stratagems

  43. Arclight says:

    Middle class is falling out of favor on the left for two primary reasons:

    1) It invokes middle class values – nuclear family, mild religiosity, aversion to government help/interference in daily life, the idea that hard work pays off. A minority of the Democratic base actually lives out bourgeois values now.

    2) The left is not really all that concerned with class, they are concerned with privilege. Thus, you can be a white family scraping by on $50K a year and more privileged than a POC one that is making twice that. Although they still want to redistribute money and power, they want to do so on the basis of identity first, rather than the size of one’s paycheck.

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  44. bro3886 says:

    Yeah, middle class is code for white, regardless of reality, just as “Christian” is code for white and “Muslim” is code for non-white in modern Western PC talk even though they’re both universal religions. In an evil, white-hating society that ignored the opioid crises because it mainly affected whites in fly-over country, and one in which the semi-secret police investigate flyers that say “It’s OK to be white” as a potential crime, this isn’t a surprising development.

  45. Middle class? We ain’t got not middle class. We don’t need no steekin middle class!

  46. @iffen

    The middle class as we knew it was likely a one-off event.

    Yes, that’s what I’ve been saying for years. The typically American suburban lumpenleisure class is not going to be repeated. It was a uniquely postwar phenomenon that will die with Boomers.

  47. @songbird

    I always thought “working class” was a favorite phrase of Democrats, which was seemingly code for “people on welfare.”

    Yes. And “the rich” means anyone who owns an alarm clock and gets their teeth cleaned regularly.

  48. @LoutishAngloQuebecker

    The Sikh uniform is literally an act of rebellion against the norms of your society.

  49. @iffen

    There will be a never ending soma supply. The regime knows it has to keep the bread dole from Egypt well stocked.

  50. @Brown Boiii

    Correct. The Indians’ job is to destroy the white middle class and the white social fabric. They are doing a great job carrying out the elite plan. Going with what is expected of them. They want you to rebel against white societal norms to destroy it.

    Now, if they had any balls or foresight they might think: well, if we import so many of our own people, and keep our stupid Indian customs, Canada will turn into a shithole just like India! For our own benefit, let’s not support open borders.

    Instead, they support an open borders free for all. Bring as many in as possible. Destroy the middle class that they may have been a part of (in fact they used to be).

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  51. @Brown Boiii

    A good example is the Ontario trucking industry.

    Stupid Indians destroyed it and now it’s a minimum wage job.

    Now, the Stupid Indian companies are getting raped by the megacarriers anyways who carry loads for negative rates.

    Nice job, morons. Again, a people with no foresight or future time orientation. At least some redneck is out of a decent paying trucking job.

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  52. @LoutishAngloQuebecker

    There’s no guarantee you won’t try to kick us out one day so better to increase our numbers while we can.

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  53. @LoutishAngloQuebecker

    Co-ordination problem. Number of small carriers all undercutting each other. :shrug:

    O well, the redneck would probably hate us anyway..

  54. @LoutishAngloQuebecker

    You’re literally a christcuck lol.

    Acting in our own interest is not kowtowing to anyone.

    You expect everyone to conform to your beliefs including ‘stupid Indian customs’

    Lol, have fun being genocided white boi.

    Better than having your daughters sold into harems, and sons castrated.

    Nobody believes in white supremacy but tired, infertile old white men.

    You’re projecting.

  55. @Brown Boiii

    The morality of the invader.  Hint:  cartridges are a lot cheaper than plane tickets.  If you take advantage of the latter now, you won’t have to worry about the former later.

  56. @Mr. Rational

    Our religion involves the worship of weapons.
    We won’t have any shortage of them!

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  57. @Mr. Rational

    Shut up you skinny fat gay face hyper rationalist faggot

  58. @Brown Boiii

    Our religion involves the worship of weapons.

    Funny, so does ours!  But our traditional weapons are of the “reach out and touch someone” variety, and your ceremonial knife makes a good marker for who needs to be touched.

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  59. @Mr. Rational

    You’re retarded, we’ve probably had guns for centuries longer..

    You’re even forgetting scenarios like the World Wars & Saragarhi.

    Every enemy who’s underestimated the Khalsa has come out looking ugly!

    Muslims also used to run up to Sikhs and stab them from behind.
    Similar to how your white nationalist shot that Sikh police officer in the back of the head.

    The collective response such actions elicit is always brutally spectacular!

    The five traditional weapons of the Sikh are: Musket/pistol, Chakram & Kara, Bow & Arrow, Spear & Sword/Dagger.

    Only a retarded christcuck would think that only *some* weapons are sacred.

    Have fun being red flagged! :shrug:

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  60. @Brown Boiii

    You’re retarded, we’ve probably had guns for centuries longer.

    And as “proof”, you give me a painting depicting a scene from 1699… when the British East India Company was founded in 1600 and had been trading manufactured goods, including muskets, for tea and spices for nearly a century.  So tell me about the industrial history of the Punjab, whydoncha?  I’m sure you’ve got fascinating stories to tell, like American nikes fantasize about the Wakandans flying pyramids with the power of their minds.

    You’re even forgetting scenarios like the World Wars & Saragarhi.

    Both world wars were fraternal disputes between Whites.  You weren’t even in the running as worthy adversaries.  Remember, it was English officers ruling India for 3 centuries plus, not vice versa.

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  61. @Mr. Rational

    3 centuries?

    Are you another one of those white people are magic fucktards..

    LOL.

    https://www.jstor.org/stable/3631993?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

    Babur literally used cannons.
    You’ve never heard of the gunpowder empires?
    Or Indian wootz steel.

    You’re another anglo-tard who thinks India has always been poor except for white influence.

    Romans complained how all their silver went to Hind.

    The most decorated regiment is the Sikh regiment..

    The EIC won Bengal in 1757 and the crown cemented rule by 1857.
    Independence was 1947 and decades before then Indians had equal rights as citizens of the commonwealth.

    Go eat out of a trash can cookie monster, Indians are demographically transforming the west. 😉

    Even after 1857 large parts of the Land were under local kings..

    Your fantasy of lording over hordes of brown people, when you’re just a white peasent will sadly, never come to fruition.

    Not then, and not now.

    The white elite has decided to dump you because you’re too troublesome, ask for too much and do too little.

    You have delusions of grandeur related to an elite who never really identified with you, would have never let you into their house let alone inter-married LOL.

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  62. @Brown Boiii

    https://www.jstor.org/stable/3631993?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

    Babur literally used cannons.

    Your book states “1442-1526”.  European use of cannon started in the thirteenth century; your ancestors were 200 years behind (then as now).

    You’ve never heard of the gunpowder empires?
    Or Indian wootz steel.

    Wootz steel required immense amounts of fuel (in part to convert silicate slag inclusions to silicon carbide).  It cannot be made at large scale, and you never made a single gun, let alone a cannon, from it.

    You’re another anglo-tard who thinks India has always been poor except for white influence.

    I’m an observer who notes that India was in stasis for centuries, eschewing the inventions others would make which allowed them to conquer India.

    Romans complained how all their silver went to Hind.

    The Romans were replaced by Europeans because they could not solve that problem.  Europeans did.

    The most decorated regiment is the Sikh regiment..

    Decorated by whom, exactly?  Oh, right… the BRITISH!  HAHAHAHAHA!

    You forget who sets the standards here.  Forget it at your peril.

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  63. @Mr. Rational

    I linked a random book because Idc & am not a nerd..

    India was facing Jihad for centuries while your solution was to worship the Jew & give up half of christendom..

    Indian metallurgy was ahead of English until early in the 20th C.
    Less standardized though.

    You just sound like a boomer..

    The standards you set today are literally Tranny prancing & TERF punching..

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  64. gman says:
    @Audacious Epigone

    It occurs to me well before Warren got into politics, some of her books had middle class in the title:

    Examples
    The Fragile Middle Class: Americans in Debt. Yale University Press. 2001
    The Two-Income Trap: Why Middle-Class Mothers and Fathers Are Going Broke. (2004)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Warren#Books_and_other_works

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  65. @Brown Boiii

    Heh heh.  Proven wrong on the merits, he declares victory and goes home.

    That’s what’s going to happen in N. America too.  Sikhs have a home to go back to, and go they will.  N. America is the home for Whites, and we’ll fight for it.

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  66. @Mr. Rational

    No, I literally do not care for hyper-rationalism and materialism.
    I’ve seen mention of gunpowder in Athara & Dhanura Veda.

    Whites didn’t introduce muskets into Hind..

    Beyond that the EIC is now owned by an Indian billionaire.


    Keep dreaming though. :shrug:

    https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/07/30/most-common-age-among-us-racial-ethnic-groups/

    We’ll just feign alliance with the RW while you exhaust yourself on other minorities.
    Half your army/police won’t touch us because of fond memories while serving.

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  67. @Brown Boiii

    I’ve seen mention of gunpowder in Athara & Dhanura Veda.

    Well, duh.  It was invented by the Chinese.  The Punjab was influenced a lot more by China than was Europe… until Marco Polo made the trip himself.

    Whites didn’t introduce muskets into Hind.

    Tell me about Punjabi primacy in industrial metalworking.  I’m sure it’s fascinating.

    Next thing, you’ll be telling us that Samuel Colt was a Sikh.

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  68. @Mr. Rational

    Vedas are older than China.
    China became Buddhist we are not Confucian.

    You are good at making guns,

    Khalsa at making use of them. 😉

    Why are you making this about ethnicity when it’s a religious debate?

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