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The rhetorical target is the I Fucking Love Science crowd, the ones who claim to love love love Charles Darwin while being utterly appalled by the idea of the preservation of favoured races in the struggle for life. Suggestions for improvement?

 
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  1. We were promised Jurassic Park

    Instead we got lot lizards

  2. To be honest, I think this is the biggest test of faith today:

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Tusk
    If you're not a Fremen why bother?
  3. Suggestion for improvement: labeled axes.

    • Agree: Cagey Beast
  4. @Talha
    To be honest, I think this is the biggest test of faith today:
    https://www.twitter.com/DuneQuoteBot/status/1173722176123494401

    Peace.

    If you’re not a Fremen why bother?

    • Replies: @Talha
    One of the themes of that book was just how important religion is as a motivating factor in a world that has forgotten it. The Fremen end up taking over the entire known universe.

    Peace.
  5. Unholy discoveries then

    Unholy discoveries now

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Nice, thanks.
  6. Graph title: “Race is a social construct”

    • Replies: @Aft
    With a big SCIENCE watermark printed across the other diagonal:
    https://www.unz.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Piffer-data-plots-1.png
    , @Audacious Epigone
    That's less ambitious (and so probably more effective). Thanks.
  7. @Aft
    Graph title: "Race is a social construct"

    http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/files/race.jpg

    With a big SCIENCE watermark printed across the other diagonal:

  8. You could be kind, and say that their disbelief in race arises from the evolved and entirely natural tendency of humans to be religious and follow laws of purity and impurity, holiness and blasphemy.

    You could be cruel, and mock them for being far more irrational than religious believers. Miraculous births don’t happen very often in overt religions. For human beings not to evolve into separate races, miraculous births have to happen all the time.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
  9. @Tusk
    If you're not a Fremen why bother?

    One of the themes of that book was just how important religion is as a motivating factor in a world that has forgotten it. The Fremen end up taking over the entire known universe.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Oleaginous Outrager
    So Dune is a book of prophecy? Who's the real Kwisatz Haderach who can kill with a word?
    , @Tusk
    Indeed by bringing Jihad across the universe. Shall we?
  10. its not clear what the second image is actually graphing or why anyone should care.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Genetic clustering.
  11. Politics and culture and civilization are downstream from genetic race and genetic ancestry.

    White Core Americans in the USA have no political representation whatsoever.

    Something is going to give when the globalized central banker shysters push the monetary extremism too far. Mass demographic expulsions and mass debt repudiations are on the way. You can bet that the globalizer plutocrats and their advisors are talking about this!

    James Kirkpatrick, 2015, “It’s About Race, Not Party—Democrats Ban Jefferson-Jackson Dinner”:

    There isn’t a limit to all of this. Conservatism Inc. scribblers like Williamson have to believe what is going on is simple partisan hypocrisy rather than anything deeper. They can’t concede that there are primal racial, cultural, and demographic conflicts driving today’s political controversies because that would fatally undermine the premises of the modern American conservative movement.

    But it’s not about party, it’s about people. The Coalition of the Fringes that defines the modern Left is only held together by increasingly frantic and overt hatred directed against whites. And contra Williamson, we have not reached “Peak Leftism,” or the final stage of frantically displaying your anti-white bona fides to prove how successful, powerful, and moral you are. Many whites will be signaling even harder, desperate to stay ahead of the progressive mob before it devours him. We haven’t reached “Peak Leftism.” It’s going to get a lot worse.

    I predict the Jackson-Jefferson dinners will be renamed nationwide. After all, #BlackLivesMatter.

    Furthermore, I think buildings named after Senator Byrd will be renamed, though that may take more time because of the relative paucity of non-white minorities in West Virginia. Ironically, it will probably be the Republicans defending the existing names.

    And I believe the Clintons actually will be criticized for their former Southern populism. After all, the Democrats don’t need to conceal their contempt for White workers anymore.

    In the end, as some have already broached, the Jefferson Memorial itself will come under attack. And, if this hysterical attack on America’s past is not turned back ideologically and (perhaps more importantly) demographically, those lines deliberately kept off the Memorial will have been proven correct.

    Tweet from 2015:

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Williamson, who is a charlatan anyway, really doesn't age well here. Yeah, 2015 was Peak Woke Leftism, sure!
  12. I see nothing wrong with believing in different races as a Person of Christian faith (POC).

    God created us all, a rainbow of people. He created us with different strengths, weaknesses, abilities, and looks. I don’t hate somebody because they’re stupid… but I’m not going to lie and say that he’s as smart as I am.

    The globalist mixing plan is actually the anti diversity plan. I want a beautiful rainbow of Christians across the globe. Black, white, yellow, red. We can have unique cultures and still be Christians who love each other as God’s people.

    Globalists are the beast.

    • Replies: @iffen
    Globalists are the beast.

    And the mark of the beast: $

    Just in case you didn't already know.
    , @The Alarmist

    I see nothing wrong with believing in different races as a Person of Christian faith (POC).
     
    Such blasphemy and heresy gets one burned at the stake these days.
  13. @LoutishAngloQuebecker
    I see nothing wrong with believing in different races as a Person of Christian faith (POC).

    God created us all, a rainbow of people. He created us with different strengths, weaknesses, abilities, and looks. I don't hate somebody because they're stupid... but I'm not going to lie and say that he's as smart as I am.

    The globalist mixing plan is actually the anti diversity plan. I want a beautiful rainbow of Christians across the globe. Black, white, yellow, red. We can have unique cultures and still be Christians who love each other as God's people.

    Globalists are the beast.

    Globalists are the beast.

    And the mark of the beast: $

    Just in case you didn’t already know.

  14. The New Atheist types who claim to admire Charles Darwin apparently choose to ignore the socially conventional way he lived, instead of considering whether he set a good personal example that they should follow.

    Charles married his first cousin, Emma Wedgwood, around the time they both turned 30. I’ve read biographies of Darwin, and I haven’t come across anything to indicate that he had premarital sexual experience, even when he went on his Indiana Jones-style adventures in South America while hanging along as the captain’s dinner companion on the Beagle. So it looks like he married as a nearly 30-year-old virgin, and his wife probably had no sexual experience, either.

    Yet despite their late start, the Darwins produced ten children, and seven survived to adulthood, which made them reproductively successful given the high child mortality in Victorian England. This puts the Darwins in Duggar territory from that reality TV series on cable a few years ago.

    I understand the dysgenic aspects of cousin marriage, and Charles did as well, on some level. But setting that aside, Charles and Emma fit the Woke stereotype about backwoods white Americans as repressed, sexually abstinent people who marry their cousins (code for marrying within their race) and have an unreasonable number of kids. Even white fundamentalist American Christians who find Darwin’s ideas unsettling have to admit that he lived in a way that they can recognize and respect. Charles Darwin’s personal example makes him a posthumous ally for the conservative side in the culture war.

  15. dysgenic aspects of cousin marriage

    In this day of detailed genetic screening, this is of little concern from a pragmatic standpoint. In fact, it’s probably going to become fashionable eventually for perspective spouses to do genetic screening ahead of time to avoid even getting into a situation where they both have some genetic combination to lead to a higher probability of one or another genetic risk to offspring (cousins or not).

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    In this day of detailed genetic screening, this is of little concern from a pragmatic standpoint.
     
    1. Still very icky to us, non-Muslims.

    2. Genetic testing rate among Muslims probably very low, especially globally.
  16. @LoutishAngloQuebecker
    I see nothing wrong with believing in different races as a Person of Christian faith (POC).

    God created us all, a rainbow of people. He created us with different strengths, weaknesses, abilities, and looks. I don't hate somebody because they're stupid... but I'm not going to lie and say that he's as smart as I am.

    The globalist mixing plan is actually the anti diversity plan. I want a beautiful rainbow of Christians across the globe. Black, white, yellow, red. We can have unique cultures and still be Christians who love each other as God's people.

    Globalists are the beast.

    I see nothing wrong with believing in different races as a Person of Christian faith (POC).

    Such blasphemy and heresy gets one burned at the stake these days.

  17. @Talha

    dysgenic aspects of cousin marriage
     
    In this day of detailed genetic screening, this is of little concern from a pragmatic standpoint. In fact, it's probably going to become fashionable eventually for perspective spouses to do genetic screening ahead of time to avoid even getting into a situation where they both have some genetic combination to lead to a higher probability of one or another genetic risk to offspring (cousins or not).

    Peace.

    In this day of detailed genetic screening, this is of little concern from a pragmatic standpoint.

    1. Still very icky to us, non-Muslims.

    2. Genetic testing rate among Muslims probably very low, especially globally.

    • Replies: @Talha

    very icky to us, non-Muslims
     
    Yes, but this is not a pragmatic concern. Also the ickyness is really a cultural thing more than a Muslim thing (for instance, Chechens do not marry within clan, but marry within tribe - if I recall correctly - and cultures like Malays don't do much of it at all). And of course you have people like Copts that do marry cousins.

    Doesn't have to be first cousins, people can easily find a match into cousins that are less direct (third or fourth instead of first and second) to reduce the ickyness.

    Genetic testing rate among Muslims probably very low
     
    Likely - and plenty of them have cousin-marriage rates that are waaay too high, but I was talking more about Whites in the West, mostly to revive stronger kinship/blood bonds; something around the rate of 5-10% or so.

    "From 1650 to 1850, a given person was, on average, fourth cousins with their spouse, according to Erlich’s data."
    https://www.popsci.com/marrying-cousins-genetics/

    Again, other than the icky factor, I don't see it as how it's such a big deal in the West now with scientific advances to do screening or with men publicly marrying men.

    Peace.
    , @iffen
    Well, I've got some hot looking cousins so there's that.
  18. @Twinkie

    In this day of detailed genetic screening, this is of little concern from a pragmatic standpoint.
     
    1. Still very icky to us, non-Muslims.

    2. Genetic testing rate among Muslims probably very low, especially globally.

    very icky to us, non-Muslims

    Yes, but this is not a pragmatic concern. Also the ickyness is really a cultural thing more than a Muslim thing (for instance, Chechens do not marry within clan, but marry within tribe – if I recall correctly – and cultures like Malays don’t do much of it at all). And of course you have people like Copts that do marry cousins.

    Doesn’t have to be first cousins, people can easily find a match into cousins that are less direct (third or fourth instead of first and second) to reduce the ickyness.

    Genetic testing rate among Muslims probably very low

    Likely – and plenty of them have cousin-marriage rates that are waaay too high, but I was talking more about Whites in the West, mostly to revive stronger kinship/blood bonds; something around the rate of 5-10% or so.

    “From 1650 to 1850, a given person was, on average, fourth cousins with their spouse, according to Erlich’s data.”
    https://www.popsci.com/marrying-cousins-genetics/

    Again, other than the icky factor, I don’t see it as how it’s such a big deal in the West now with scientific advances to do screening or with men publicly marrying men.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    men publicly marrying men.
     
    That’s not an excuse to drop all other standards.
  19. @Talha

    very icky to us, non-Muslims
     
    Yes, but this is not a pragmatic concern. Also the ickyness is really a cultural thing more than a Muslim thing (for instance, Chechens do not marry within clan, but marry within tribe - if I recall correctly - and cultures like Malays don't do much of it at all). And of course you have people like Copts that do marry cousins.

    Doesn't have to be first cousins, people can easily find a match into cousins that are less direct (third or fourth instead of first and second) to reduce the ickyness.

    Genetic testing rate among Muslims probably very low
     
    Likely - and plenty of them have cousin-marriage rates that are waaay too high, but I was talking more about Whites in the West, mostly to revive stronger kinship/blood bonds; something around the rate of 5-10% or so.

    "From 1650 to 1850, a given person was, on average, fourth cousins with their spouse, according to Erlich’s data."
    https://www.popsci.com/marrying-cousins-genetics/

    Again, other than the icky factor, I don't see it as how it's such a big deal in the West now with scientific advances to do screening or with men publicly marrying men.

    Peace.

    men publicly marrying men.

    That’s not an excuse to drop all other standards.

    • Replies: @Talha
    Correct, I'm arguing that it's an arbitrary standard in this day and age - especially when the justification for it is easily bypassed by scientific advancement. And the derived benefits might accrue to a more healthy trend towards in-group preference for blood relations. It's really a cost-benefit analysis.

    The men marrying men is to counter the ickyness factor, which is subjective; which is fine, some cultures like cheese or spices more than others.

    Peace.

  20. @Twinkie

    men publicly marrying men.
     
    That’s not an excuse to drop all other standards.

    Correct, I’m arguing that it’s an arbitrary standard in this day and age – especially when the justification for it is easily bypassed by scientific advancement. And the derived benefits might accrue to a more healthy trend towards in-group preference for blood relations. It’s really a cost-benefit analysis.

    The men marrying men is to counter the ickyness factor, which is subjective; which is fine, some cultures like cheese or spices more than others.

    Peace.

  21. If you’re going for rhetorical impact, I’m afraid this isn’t going to work, because the second graph is just too obscure for everyone other than the HBDers who already know it.

    Memes need to be simple and hit you at an emotional level. If it requires you to go look something up, assuming you even know where to look it up, then it’s ineffective, like having to explain the punchline of a joke.

    In fact, what this does effectively illustrate is the sharp divide between the up-close and personal vs. the distant and abstract. Videos of ferals jumping up and down on cars, robbing liquor stores and attacking police officers and bystanders are a lot more effective.

  22. @Twinkie

    In this day of detailed genetic screening, this is of little concern from a pragmatic standpoint.
     
    1. Still very icky to us, non-Muslims.

    2. Genetic testing rate among Muslims probably very low, especially globally.

    Well, I’ve got some hot looking cousins so there’s that.

  23. I don’t care for elaboration of the evident. Disraeli is enough for me:

    “No one may be indifferent to the racial principle, the racial question. It is the key to world history. History is often confusing because it is written by people who did not understand the racial question and the aspects relevant to it… Race is everything, and every race that does not keep its blood from being mixed will perish. . . Language and religion do not determine a race–blood determines it.”

    “If ever the founders of the] great Anglo-Saxon republic [in North America] secede from their sound principles of reserve and mingle with their negro and coloured populations . . . , they would become so deteriorated that their states would probably be reconquered and regained by the aborigines, whom they expelled.”

    “No man will treat with indifference the principle of race. It is the key of history, and why history is so often confused is that it has been written by men who are ignorant of this principle and the knowledge it involves.

    “The difference of race is one of the reasons why I fear war may always exist; because race implies difference, difference implies superiority, and superiority leads to predominance.

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
    Disraeli was clearly not informed that race is actually a social construct.

    Now somebody go dig up his grave and throw his bones in to the closest river. Then make sure all of his female descendants are impregnated by Asians.
    , @Tulip
    Disraeli, consistent with much of the 19th century, is talking about race as basically identical to ethnicity. If Germany suffers a revolt from its Poles, it is driven by racial differences (in Disraeli's opinion). In contrast, the 21st Century WN is going to regard Germans and Poles as being of the same "European" race, and look at a historical revolt as a family squabble.

    Disraeli is also interested in de-emphasizing the importance of religion and language in his construction of ethnic identity probably because as a Fellow Anglo-Saxon Englishman, its not something he wants people noticing.

    If we look at continental racial groupings, then they are not clearly the primary drivers of war, because neighbors usually go to war with neighbors, and neighbors tend to be of the same continental racial grouping because the relative genetic isolation between populations was historically driven by geography, specifically oceans and mountains.

    The concept of "race" is a poor one because it is inherently vague as to the scale. Even if we take Sailer's definition, an extended family is going to be a "race" just as much as an ethnic group or a continent wide-population. Moreover, within a "race", in parts of the world like Europe, there is a relatively high level of genetic similarities in the population, whereas in India or Africa, you have high levels of genetic dissimilarities between members of the same continental population, whether for reasons of geography and social complexity or because of religion.

    On one hand, from a genetic perspective, race yields little insight into predictions about individual members of the race (most Kenyans are not ever going to be world class marathon runners), and it fails to distinguish between important genetic differences within a racial classification. In not really specifying a scale, it goes from being continental-sized populations to ethnic classifications (which are driven by language and religion more than ancestry despite what Disraeli says).

    Its very easy to point out the uselessness of the concept of "racism" outside of a political arena, but the concept of "race" suffers from the same uselessness and politicization. Or we could distinguish between those who seek to describe the world and those who want to divide the world as a means to achieve power. "Race" and her twin sister "Racism" has little value for the first, but a lot for the second crew.

    It is ethnic identity which drives politics, and while there is an ancestral component, socially constructed aspects such as language and religion play an important role. Here you can distinguish between relatively closed and relatively open groups, and degrees of ethnocentricity, and avoid the twins altogether.

  24. @Talha
    One of the themes of that book was just how important religion is as a motivating factor in a world that has forgotten it. The Fremen end up taking over the entire known universe.

    Peace.

    So Dune is a book of prophecy? Who’s the real Kwisatz Haderach who can kill with a word?

    • Replies: @Talha
    That wasn’t a prophecy, but an observation. And a fairly accurate insight into an aspect of the human condition; religions that get fat and lazy tend to suffer crises of legitimacy.

    Peace.
  25. “I fucking love science!” is the ultimate declaration of justification by faith alone, since the object of this adoration, the omniscient omnipotent SCIENCE!, has a shittier record of discerning truth than casting oracle bones:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-39054778

  26. @Talha
    One of the themes of that book was just how important religion is as a motivating factor in a world that has forgotten it. The Fremen end up taking over the entire known universe.

    Peace.

    Indeed by bringing Jihad across the universe. Shall we?

    • Replies: @Talha

    Shall we?
     
    Not with the sad state of affairs religion is in in the West.

    Peace.
  27. @Psychomachia
    Unholy discoveries then

    Unholy discoveries now

    Nice, thanks.

  28. @Aft
    Graph title: "Race is a social construct"

    http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/files/race.jpg

    That’s less ambitious (and so probably more effective). Thanks.

  29. @Herbert West
    its not clear what the second image is actually graphing or why anyone should care.

    Genetic clustering.

  30. O/T

    Thüringen Lander

    https://dawum.de/Thueringen/Infratest_dimap/2019-09-16/#Koalitionen

    This most recent poll is interesting. With Linke and AFD having a majority of seats, forming a coalition is near impossible unless either AFD is with the CDU/FDP or CDU backs a Linke dominated RRG minority government.

    CDU backing a communist Governor might be the breaking point for the party.

  31. @Oleaginous Outrager
    So Dune is a book of prophecy? Who's the real Kwisatz Haderach who can kill with a word?

    That wasn’t a prophecy, but an observation. And a fairly accurate insight into an aspect of the human condition; religions that get fat and lazy tend to suffer crises of legitimacy.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @anon
    Mean something like Sunni Islam, who's Caliph like figure now, btw? Genuinely curious, i know Shia have some complicated hierarchy stuff going on like Orthochurch, but who're the guys in Sunni sects?
    , @Oleaginous Outrager
    That humans and the things they indulge in tend to get fat and lazy is hardly a fresh and scintillating insight.
  32. @Talha
    That wasn’t a prophecy, but an observation. And a fairly accurate insight into an aspect of the human condition; religions that get fat and lazy tend to suffer crises of legitimacy.

    Peace.

    Mean something like Sunni Islam, who’s Caliph like figure now, btw? Genuinely curious, i know Shia have some complicated hierarchy stuff going on like Orthochurch, but who’re the guys in Sunni sects?

    • Replies: @Talha

    who’s Caliph like figure now, btw?
     
    Nobody. It is incumbent upon the Ummah to restore the institution, but there is too much nationalism right now as well as none of the tin-pot dictators/kings want to give up their position.

    who’re the guys in Sunni sects?
     
    This would be the ulema (religious scholars) and the institutions (like Al-Azhar, Nadwatul-Ulema, Qarawiyyin, etc.) at this point - dependable and honest political leadership is hard to come by.

    Peace.
  33. @Tusk
    Indeed by bringing Jihad across the universe. Shall we?

    Shall we?

    Not with the sad state of affairs religion is in in the West.

    Peace.

  34. @Charles Pewitt
    Politics and culture and civilization are downstream from genetic race and genetic ancestry.

    White Core Americans in the USA have no political representation whatsoever.

    Something is going to give when the globalized central banker shysters push the monetary extremism too far. Mass demographic expulsions and mass debt repudiations are on the way. You can bet that the globalizer plutocrats and their advisors are talking about this!

    James Kirkpatrick, 2015, "It's About Race, Not Party—Democrats Ban Jefferson-Jackson Dinner":

    There isn't a limit to all of this. Conservatism Inc. scribblers like Williamson have to believe what is going on is simple partisan hypocrisy rather than anything deeper. They can't concede that there are primal racial, cultural, and demographic conflicts driving today's political controversies because that would fatally undermine the premises of the modern American conservative movement.

     


    But it's not about party, it's about people. The Coalition of the Fringes that defines the modern Left is only held together by increasingly frantic and overt hatred directed against whites. And contra Williamson, we have not reached "Peak Leftism," or the final stage of frantically displaying your anti-white bona fides to prove how successful, powerful, and moral you are. Many whites will be signaling even harder, desperate to stay ahead of the progressive mob before it devours him. We haven't reached "Peak Leftism." It's going to get a lot worse.

     


    I predict the Jackson-Jefferson dinners will be renamed nationwide. After all, #BlackLivesMatter.

     


    Furthermore, I think buildings named after Senator Byrd will be renamed, though that may take more time because of the relative paucity of non-white minorities in West Virginia. Ironically, it will probably be the Republicans defending the existing names.

     


    And I believe the Clintons actually will be criticized for their former Southern populism. After all, the Democrats don't need to conceal their contempt for White workers anymore.

     


    In the end, as some have already broached, the Jefferson Memorial itself will come under attack. And, if this hysterical attack on America's past is not turned back ideologically and (perhaps more importantly) demographically, those lines deliberately kept off the Memorial will have been proven correct.

     

    Tweet from 2015:

    https://twitter.com/CharlesPewitt/status/624277181250859009

    Williamson, who is a charlatan anyway, really doesn’t age well here. Yeah, 2015 was Peak Woke Leftism, sure!

  35. Anonymous[679] • Disclaimer says:

    I Fucking Love Science (TM) is stupid, but FWIW Sam Harris, one of the most prominent New Atheists, invited Charles Murray to his podcast to discuss (among other things) race differences in intelligence, and, following the controversy that the episode provoked, later debated Ezra Klein at length on the subject of HBD.

    Also, accusations of hypocrisy are, as usual, a double-edged sword: there are indeed irritating left-wing atheists who eagerly embrace the theory of evolution through natural selection as a prop to beat religious believers over the head with while denying that it has (or even could have) any bearing on race and sex differences, but there are also goofball alt-right Christians like Vox Day and Owen Benjamin who acknowledge the utility/validity of the theory of evolution through natural selection only when it applies to race and sex differences, while denying it more generally.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Indeed, it's not new territory for Harris. I remember him skirting the edges of HBD all the way back in the mid-2000s. But as the reaction to him from fellow atheists illustrates, he's more of the exception than the rule.
  36. @Bardon Kaldian
    I don't care for elaboration of the evident. Disraeli is enough for me:


    “No one may be indifferent to the racial principle, the racial question. It is the key to world history. History is often confusing because it is written by people who did not understand the racial question and the aspects relevant to it… Race is everything, and every race that does not keep its blood from being mixed will perish. . . Language and religion do not determine a race–blood determines it.”

    “If ever the founders of the] great Anglo-Saxon republic [in North America] secede from their sound principles of reserve and mingle with their negro and coloured populations . . . , they would become so deteriorated that their states would probably be reconquered and regained by the aborigines, whom they expelled.”

    “No man will treat with indifference the principle of race. It is the key of history, and why history is so often confused is that it has been written by men who are ignorant of this principle and the knowledge it involves.

    “The difference of race is one of the reasons why I fear war may always exist; because race implies difference, difference implies superiority, and superiority leads to predominance.

    Disraeli was clearly not informed that race is actually a social construct.

    Now somebody go dig up his grave and throw his bones in to the closest river. Then make sure all of his female descendants are impregnated by Asians.

    • Replies: @dfordoom

    Disraeli was clearly not informed that race is actually a social construct.
     
    It was for Disraeli.

    Being a Jew might have been an obstacle to his political career so he cheerfully betrayed his race (or if you see Jewishness as an ethnicity then he betrayed his ethnicity) and he betrayed his religion and his cultural traditions. He was a trans-Christian and a trans-Englishman. For Disraeli everything was a social construct.

    Are you sure you want to use Disraeli as an example?
    , @SFG
    I don't know about his *female* descendants, but quite a few of his *male* descendants probably impregnated *East* Asians...
  37. @MikeatMikedotMike
    Disraeli was clearly not informed that race is actually a social construct.

    Now somebody go dig up his grave and throw his bones in to the closest river. Then make sure all of his female descendants are impregnated by Asians.

    Disraeli was clearly not informed that race is actually a social construct.

    It was for Disraeli.

    Being a Jew might have been an obstacle to his political career so he cheerfully betrayed his race (or if you see Jewishness as an ethnicity then he betrayed his ethnicity) and he betrayed his religion and his cultural traditions. He was a trans-Christian and a trans-Englishman. For Disraeli everything was a social construct.

    Are you sure you want to use Disraeli as an example?

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
    Disraeli wasn't my example, actually. Interesting you don't seem to want to take it up with Bardon Kaldian.

    Either way perhaps you should check the fluid in your sarcasm detector. I think it's low.
  38. @dfordoom

    Disraeli was clearly not informed that race is actually a social construct.
     
    It was for Disraeli.

    Being a Jew might have been an obstacle to his political career so he cheerfully betrayed his race (or if you see Jewishness as an ethnicity then he betrayed his ethnicity) and he betrayed his religion and his cultural traditions. He was a trans-Christian and a trans-Englishman. For Disraeli everything was a social construct.

    Are you sure you want to use Disraeli as an example?

    Disraeli wasn’t my example, actually. Interesting you don’t seem to want to take it up with Bardon Kaldian.

    Either way perhaps you should check the fluid in your sarcasm detector. I think it’s low.

  39. @Talha
    That wasn’t a prophecy, but an observation. And a fairly accurate insight into an aspect of the human condition; religions that get fat and lazy tend to suffer crises of legitimacy.

    Peace.

    That humans and the things they indulge in tend to get fat and lazy is hardly a fresh and scintillating insight.

    • Replies: @Talha
    Who said it was a novel insight?

    Peace.
  40. @Oleaginous Outrager
    That humans and the things they indulge in tend to get fat and lazy is hardly a fresh and scintillating insight.

    Who said it was a novel insight?

    Peace.

  41. @Bardon Kaldian
    I don't care for elaboration of the evident. Disraeli is enough for me:


    “No one may be indifferent to the racial principle, the racial question. It is the key to world history. History is often confusing because it is written by people who did not understand the racial question and the aspects relevant to it… Race is everything, and every race that does not keep its blood from being mixed will perish. . . Language and religion do not determine a race–blood determines it.”

    “If ever the founders of the] great Anglo-Saxon republic [in North America] secede from their sound principles of reserve and mingle with their negro and coloured populations . . . , they would become so deteriorated that their states would probably be reconquered and regained by the aborigines, whom they expelled.”

    “No man will treat with indifference the principle of race. It is the key of history, and why history is so often confused is that it has been written by men who are ignorant of this principle and the knowledge it involves.

    “The difference of race is one of the reasons why I fear war may always exist; because race implies difference, difference implies superiority, and superiority leads to predominance.

    Disraeli, consistent with much of the 19th century, is talking about race as basically identical to ethnicity. If Germany suffers a revolt from its Poles, it is driven by racial differences (in Disraeli’s opinion). In contrast, the 21st Century WN is going to regard Germans and Poles as being of the same “European” race, and look at a historical revolt as a family squabble.

    Disraeli is also interested in de-emphasizing the importance of religion and language in his construction of ethnic identity probably because as a Fellow Anglo-Saxon Englishman, its not something he wants people noticing.

    If we look at continental racial groupings, then they are not clearly the primary drivers of war, because neighbors usually go to war with neighbors, and neighbors tend to be of the same continental racial grouping because the relative genetic isolation between populations was historically driven by geography, specifically oceans and mountains.

    The concept of “race” is a poor one because it is inherently vague as to the scale. Even if we take Sailer’s definition, an extended family is going to be a “race” just as much as an ethnic group or a continent wide-population. Moreover, within a “race”, in parts of the world like Europe, there is a relatively high level of genetic similarities in the population, whereas in India or Africa, you have high levels of genetic dissimilarities between members of the same continental population, whether for reasons of geography and social complexity or because of religion.

    On one hand, from a genetic perspective, race yields little insight into predictions about individual members of the race (most Kenyans are not ever going to be world class marathon runners), and it fails to distinguish between important genetic differences within a racial classification. In not really specifying a scale, it goes from being continental-sized populations to ethnic classifications (which are driven by language and religion more than ancestry despite what Disraeli says).

    Its very easy to point out the uselessness of the concept of “racism” outside of a political arena, but the concept of “race” suffers from the same uselessness and politicization. Or we could distinguish between those who seek to describe the world and those who want to divide the world as a means to achieve power. “Race” and her twin sister “Racism” has little value for the first, but a lot for the second crew.

    It is ethnic identity which drives politics, and while there is an ancestral component, socially constructed aspects such as language and religion play an important role. Here you can distinguish between relatively closed and relatively open groups, and degrees of ethnocentricity, and avoid the twins altogether.

  42. @Anonymous
    I Fucking Love Science (TM) is stupid, but FWIW Sam Harris, one of the most prominent New Atheists, invited Charles Murray to his podcast to discuss (among other things) race differences in intelligence, and, following the controversy that the episode provoked, later debated Ezra Klein at length on the subject of HBD.

    Also, accusations of hypocrisy are, as usual, a double-edged sword: there are indeed irritating left-wing atheists who eagerly embrace the theory of evolution through natural selection as a prop to beat religious believers over the head with while denying that it has (or even could have) any bearing on race and sex differences, but there are also goofball alt-right Christians like Vox Day and Owen Benjamin who acknowledge the utility/validity of the theory of evolution through natural selection only when it applies to race and sex differences, while denying it more generally.

    Indeed, it’s not new territory for Harris. I remember him skirting the edges of HBD all the way back in the mid-2000s. But as the reaction to him from fellow atheists illustrates, he’s more of the exception than the rule.

  43. @MikeatMikedotMike
    Disraeli was clearly not informed that race is actually a social construct.

    Now somebody go dig up his grave and throw his bones in to the closest river. Then make sure all of his female descendants are impregnated by Asians.

    I don’t know about his *female* descendants, but quite a few of his *male* descendants probably impregnated *East* Asians…

  44. @anon
    Mean something like Sunni Islam, who's Caliph like figure now, btw? Genuinely curious, i know Shia have some complicated hierarchy stuff going on like Orthochurch, but who're the guys in Sunni sects?

    who’s Caliph like figure now, btw?

    Nobody. It is incumbent upon the Ummah to restore the institution, but there is too much nationalism right now as well as none of the tin-pot dictators/kings want to give up their position.

    who’re the guys in Sunni sects?

    This would be the ulema (religious scholars) and the institutions (like Al-Azhar, Nadwatul-Ulema, Qarawiyyin, etc.) at this point – dependable and honest political leadership is hard to come by.

    Peace.

  45. Fam I’ve met people who think medical studies into race need to abolish as they encourage racism and that genetics is all white nationalism so its invalid. Nothing can reach these people

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    When people begin paying for CRISPRing embryos, it will reach out and smack them in the faces whether they want it to or not.
  46. @Oblivionrecurs
    Fam I've met people who think medical studies into race need to abolish as they encourage racism and that genetics is all white nationalism so its invalid. Nothing can reach these people

    When people begin paying for CRISPRing embryos, it will reach out and smack them in the faces whether they want it to or not.

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