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Presenting the subsequent data feels like the Hispanic Heritage Foundation’s survey results all over again. Recall that the massive nationwide survey of high school students showed Donald Trump cleaning Hillary Clinton’s clock among Gen Zers.

Maybe minors just ape their parents and then discover themselves in their twenties. Or American colleges and universities really are effective at molding their formerly patriarchal, privilege-dripping charges into heavily indebted, good little cultural Marxists by the time they graduate or drop out.

On that account it is worth noting that in the survey, white males under the age of 18 are significantly more Republican than white males aged 18-29 are (67% to 53% in a two-way split, respectively). I’ll evaluate other demographic angles in the near future but this initial comparison suggests the strong Republican lean among teenagers isn’t merely due to the site’s potentially conservative bent. That said, the survey results were not scientifically collected. The site relies on self-selection and volunteered self-identification. The samples are huge, though, so it’s worth a gander.

The following graph and table show the two-way partisan distribution among white males under the age of 18, by state:

State GOP%
1) North Dakota 82.4
2) Georgia 76.8
3) Utah 76.3
4) Alabama 76.0
5) Louisiana 75.9
6) South Carolina 75.7
7) Oklahoma 75.1
8) Texas 74.9
9) Mississippi 73.9
10) Arkansas 73.6
11) Florida 71.9
12) Arizona 71.4
13) Wyoming 71.4
14) Nevada 69.3
15) Missouri 69.1
16) Kansas 69.0
17) Iowa 68.9
18) South Dakota 68.5
19) Ohio 68.5
20) North Carolina 68.2
21) Indiana 68.2
22) Kentucky 68.0
23) West Virginia 67.8
24) Tennessee 67.4
25) Idaho 67.3
26) Pennsylvania 66.7
27) Delaware 667
28) Michigan 66.5
29) Illinois 66.3
30) Virginia 66.3
31) New Jersey 66.2
32) Nebraska 65.5
33) Montana 65.4
34) New Hampshire 64.9
35) Wisconsin 64.9
36) Maine 63.3
37) Minnesota 62.9
38) Colorado 62.6
39) Maryland 62.3
40) California 61.8
41) New Mexico 61.6
42) New York 61.5
43) Connecticut 60.9
44) Oregon 59.7
45) Hawaii 59.4
46) Massachusetts 58.5
47) Alaska 58.3
48) Washington 57.6
49) Rhode Island 55.0
50) Vermont 53.5
51) District of Columbia 27.8

The results resemble the outcome of the actual 2016 presidential election, albeit shifted 20 points in the GOP’s favor. Republican support is strongest in the South, relatively middling in the Midwest, and weakest in the Northeast and on the West Coast.

And who says there is no future for white men in the modern Democrat party? Hello, has no one ever heard of the nation’s capital?!

My thanks to commenter Oblivionrecurs for the heads up.

 
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  1. Chewie111 says:

    I’m actually amazed it’s as high as 60% in lilly libby and yet still mostly white Oregon.

    If it wasn’t for the influx of Asians and Hispanics into that state, that’s the kind of future demographics which would just about flip it red!

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  2. Or American colleges and universities really are effective at molding their formerly patriarchal, privilege-dripping charges into heavily indebted, good little cultural Marxists by the time they graduate or drop out.

    Yeah, I think this is the case. Cut off the Feral Gov’t’s guaranteeing of school loans – that’s step 1.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  3. anon[439] • Disclaimer says:

    Wow, look at North Dakota. What explains that?

  4. AceDeuce says:

    These kids had better wake up–they are going to get phucked-good and hard-in the future.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter
    , @polaco
  5. @AceDeuce

    Becoming a card carrying member of the GOP only extends the road to the awakening of a 16 year old huwhite boy and results in a higher temperature in his pressure cooker at the end of the road.

    I say this as recent drop out from the GOP.

  6. @anon

    Not sure. The state’s sample actually isn’t that small (over 600) given how sparsely populated the state itself is.

    • Replies: @Oblivionrecurs
  7. @Chewie111

    I want to ‘blame’ Portland. Even Eugene looks sane by comparison today. Is that justified?

  8. When people begin to vote along racial/ethnic lines the republic is seriously harmed. This is why republics need to be monoracial and should not have endogamous subgroups.

  9. @Achmed E. Newman

    Right. Go one better and put the universities on the hook for the loans. Degree isn’t worth enough for the one attaining it to pay back his student loans? Then the school takes the loss.

    • Replies: @Arclight
    , @anon
  10. @Audacious Epigone

    Yep. You can read what he said about Malays. 🙂

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
  11. 216 says:

    Is this data from 2016?

    If so, further data would seem to indicate that youthful shitlording has mostly been stamped out via public shaming.

  12. Arclight says:
    @Audacious Epigone

    I have been saying this for awhile – make any school that accepts a student with loans partially on the hook for repayment, and end the federal guaranty so that loans are priced based on the student’s qualifications, intended course of study, and quality of the institution they have been accepted to.

    This would cut the number of higher ed ‘students’ significantly so the less qualified/intelligent don’t end up with debt they can never pay back, universities would be forced to axe a variety of majors, mostly those with “studies” in the title, and frankly a bunch of them would close altogether.

    Now this will never happen because a) it would greatly diminish the role of academia in indoctrinating gullible young people, b) wipe out thousands of make work academic and administrative jobs, and c) have a disparate impact on who still can actually get a loan and/or secure the now much more competitive university jobs.

    But we can dream, anyway.

  13. @216

    Not sure. It looks like the site continues to add to the results as additional users take quizzes. Emphatically this is neither scientific nor precise, but sometimes quantity has a quality of its own.

  14. Feryl says:

    1) The Dem’s stupid ID politics is, of course, alienating young white guys (for eons white people outside the Deep South did not vote on the basis of racial ID, nowadays most Dems are telling white guys to go screw themselves).

    2) Gen Z is about 50% of white, of which only about 25% are males. For those keeping score, that means that WRT electoral clout, even if literally every single Gen Z white guy voted the same way, that’s just 25% of that generation’s vote.

    3) Under 40 “Republicans” do not want the party of Reagan to keep trying to relive the 80’s and 90’s. Older and wealthy Republicans (e.g., the ones with power) are loath to change anything, however.

    4) Each generation is more culturally liberal than the last one, but so too do older generations report being more liberal (even Silents, over the last 25 years, have become much more liberal). Most pre-Boomers, in the 1970’s said that homosexuality was morally wrong. Boomers became more ostensibly conservative in the 80’s, but by then the damage was done; we weren’t going to be reviving the early-mid 20th culture of vice interdiction. Too many people didn’t want to be “judgemental” or “oppressive” towards gays, drunks, drug users, single mothers, etc. Quite ominously did many Americans began to become more concerned about money and status than they were concerned about doing what was fair and wholesome.

    The legacy of Reaganism is that it just didn’t do that much to reverse cultural decadence, while it also planted the seeds of de-industrialization and globalism. If the GOP can’t shake it’s addiction to Pax Americana and tax cuts for the rich, eventually younger generations will become cynical, and it’s really not that hard to envision a Democrat, who at some point will shut up about ID politics and spark more legislation aimed at improving worker dignity, access to health care, and the like. Certainly it’s going to very difficult for the “party of Reagan” to tell it’s older donors that it’s post-mid 1970’s attempts at destroying the legacy of the Progressive and New Deal era were a folly that failed to preserve most aspects of a pleasant and stable society (and the Reaganites permitted open borders, gay bathhouses full of coke and speed, rising levels of crime and poverty, popular ownership of pit bulls by retarded owners, and all other sorts of indicators of a decaying society). Nixon signaled the importance of earnest stewardship by creating the EPA and OSHA; but by the Disco/Carter era, elites began to actively question the necessity of doing too much to help society. Of course, many of the idiot Reaganites still blame “the Left” for what’s gone wrong, which conveniently frees the decadent modern Right from taking any of the blame.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  15. @216

    That seems to be the case here…

    A group of white high school kids I know seemed pretty normal, I had hope for the future.

    But in the past 2 years the teachers have ramped up the anti-white brainwashing to a cult-like level. The same kids now all believe that they’re evil and trespassing on stolen Indian land, bla bla bla. I don’t know what’s wrong with most white people, when I get told that I move even further the opposite way. But the brainwashing is so extreme even compared to when I graduated 5 years ago.

    So now we have a cohort of soft, self hating, purposeless white boys without many real skills or any confidence. Perfect candidates to do nothing while immigrants and H1-B take the jobs they could have done. And where are their parents in all of this??

    Wake up! Blumpf has done nothing with the education system, of course.

  16. @Arclight

    Never is a long time. The coming currency crash will change a lot of things.

  17. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    The same kids now all believe that they’re evil and trespassing on stolen Indian land, bla bla bla.

    I’m glad you guys settler colonized Canada even though I do blame my cucked Confucian ones for not reaching Americas first when they could. They unfortunately lacked spirit of pastoralists that I love. You guys had it and you deserve to keep it. We have learned that lesson and will look for our own pastures.

    You can imagine what an Amerind Canada would have been….a very poor region in need of perpetual aid.

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
  18. @Feryl

    I think we really have to unpack the words “left” and “right”. For example is Objectivism leftist or rightist? What about national socialism? Is it really sane for WN to be right wing while black nationalism can be considered left wing? Is North Korea left-wing or right-wing?

    On Unz “right-wing” should often be interpreted as “social conservative” or “ethnonationalist”. The two aren’t the same or even necessarily positively correlated historically.

  19. *These two aren’t the same. In fact they are not even necessarily positively correlated historically.

  20. @EastKekistani

    Of course. They got conquered by the English so that’s that.

    But of course the whole topic is the #1 choice of the Canadian left to make us feel ashamed and feel white guilt. You’re on “stolen land”, whitey. So you’re not really Canadian! Open up your borders!

    How bringing in millions of immigrants is helping the Injuns is never really elaborated on.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  21. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    But of course the whole topic is the #1 choice of the Canadian left to make us feel ashamed and feel white guilt. You’re on “stolen land”, whitey. So you’re not really Canadian! Open up your borders!

    I know. I think civilized peoples have a right to advance into uncivilized lands because it is good for humanity.

    I’m a proud Wu Chinese. I was born on land conquered from SEAs, maybe Kra-Dai speakers. We NE Asians killed many SEAs, raped some and kicked some out. After SEAs were gone we transformed Yangtze Delta into one of the richest places on this planet. I feel very proud of what my ancestors (at least on the paternal side lol) did. I only feel bad because they hadn’t conquered more and hence SEA is still largely poor and miserable.

    SEAs can claim that I’m an evil colonist or even a rape baby. Who cares? Because of us Nanjing, Guangzhou, Tokyo and Taipei are happy modern cities instead of copies of Manilas.

    How bringing in millions of immigrants is helping the Injuns is never really elaborated on.

    Just like blacks they can not be helped. When a people is sufficiently backward they can not really be free. If you kick Arabs and Persians out of Sub-Saharan Africa (and in fact the white man did!) they found whites as their new masters. If you kick white people out of Sub-Saharan Africa (aka decolonization) they just find NE Asian people as their new masters. If you kick NE Asian people out of Sub-Saharan Africa then the Gujaratis will come and rule over them. If you want to kick Indians out then maybe Arabs will come again….

  22. @anon

    Wow, look at North Dakota. What explains that?

    Fracking jobs. A young guy is able to make enough money to start a family. That potentiate’s Sailer’s discovery of the marriage gap explanation for GOP votes. It’s why I lent at least moral support to even as questionable a project as Craig Cobb’s effort to get young white nationalists to move there.

    • Replies: @Oblivionrecurs
  23. Feryl says:

    Heavily white states often vote Democrat; why can’t people put the crack pipe down and stop blaming non whites for everything?

    States heavily dependent on the military, energy industry, and agriculture generally vote Republican*; most owners and upper managers of “small(er) businesses” (the kind that involves lots of physical work, at any rate) also tend to lean Republican. the media/entertainment/law/finance/academia/info-tech sectors are Democratic**.

    Ohio and Indiana are still fairly promising for the GOP because they aren’t strongholds for the Dem aligned industries. Since the late 80’s, however, much of the heartland has been brain-drained, and these elite/wannabe elite transplants often go the West Coast and Northeast, precisely because these are the regions that are dominated by the “sexy” Dem aligned industries.

    Keep in mind also that in nearly every state, state and national elections are a battle between groups of whites*; how each party fares depends on which industries whites are most invested in. For example, the majority of whites in Georgia are still quite invested in the military and stuff like chicken processing plants. So the GOP can still win elections here. But, the overall population of the state has surged, and it’s creating more of a Dem culture of emphasizing law, finance, and media/entertainment.

    *The Red States often employ a lot of low-skilled Hispanics and/or Sub-Saharan blacks for menial tasks like picking and sorting tomatoes, so it would seem that a lot of diversity is not necessarily a death knell for the GOP. Even erstwhile “white” states like Iowa have, since the Reagan era, brought in lots of non-whites to do much of the “thankless” labor.

    ** The industries favored by Blue States involve a lot of cubicle work, which is generally done by whites, Asians, and talented tenth blacks and Hispanics. When one considers that the Red industries will often rely on the lowest quality laboreres, it ought to become apparent that letting the Red industries dominate everything (as Reagan wanted) can wreak havoc on over-all quality of life; how many people in the post-Reagan era have lamented the growing waves of Mexican roofers and such into our communities and businesses?

    ***Affluent whites are, by a wide margin, the most frequent voters. Many lower income and less educated people seldom vote, except maybe in most pres. elections. Asians are a curious case; they vote less often than their income and education would suggest; I do tend to think that the whites who founded America are still, to this day, the people who feel most invested in how this country is run. There could come a point, in the future, where whites have been so demographically or culturally marginalized that they began to take on characteristics of a besieged and broken people, at which point civic involvement will decline a lot. I would argue that less educated whites already fit this profile, but it soon could affect what’s left of our “middle class” too.

    I wouldn’t doubt for a second that previous instances of empires in decline also had a similar class trajectory, with proles becoming bitterly withdrawn as elites become fractious and arrogant.

    • Replies: @Feryl
  24. Feryl says:
    @EastKekistani

    There’s a 4 part system to every ideology; which parts are favored, and to what degree, depends on the ideology, the people involved, and the era. I’m talking of course about Economic conservatism, cultural conservatism, economic liberalism, and cultural liberalism.

    In New Deal era America, the Left and the Right were extremely culturally conservative, while the Left believed in watered-down socialism; the economic right was so moribund that Truman, Eisenhower, and Nixon largely governed as economic Leftists. In post-Reagan America, the cultural Right is essentially dead in most respects (many people are open homosexuals, drug users, etc.), while the Paul Ryan types have tried to rip through every socialized benefit program that was established and left alone in the Progressive and New Deal era of about 1900-1980.

    Many people on the modern Right (although not as much on on the dissident Reagan hating Right) are facile enough to blame every current trend on “the Left”, when in reality it was corrupt and greedy “pro-market” elements who threw the border open, normalized gambling, turned everything (including every person) into a commodity, encouraged the wealthy to stockpile assets and income while paying workers miserable wages and not investing in infrastructure, and have created a society with high levels of mental illness (because Americans don’t look out for each other anymore). Pay-day loans, pit-bulls, and mixed martial arts are the legacy of Reagan, not the legacy of FDR.

    • Replies: @Jay Fink
  25. Feryl says:
    @Feryl

    “Conservative” cheap labor lovers have done more to destroy this country than just about anyone else. They instigated the Civil War by refusing to stop the exploitation of slaves (which also fed into the impoverishment of the white underclass of the region). The comparatively liberal industry titans of the North, after the Civil War, began importing better quality European immigrants into America as a “take that” at decadent Southern elites. The more “conservative” (miserly and elitist) business owners want low-IQ equatorial people who won’t be as effective at organizing.

    Once the Progressives really took over the 1920’s, we stopped immigration altogether; by around 1940, most business owners/shareholders had accepted lower profits in the name of national unity and stability. (healthy) hostility toward business owners importing cheap labor was still in effect as recently as the early 70’s; but it was the Carter era when many Americans began to realize that elites were getting tired of treating American workers right. After Carter took office, immigration surged and he pushed to de-regulate several industries (that Carter was himself a Southerner is in itself quite notable). Wages began to stagnate in the mid-late 70’s, too. And similar to how the mid-19th century became more and more reliant on low/no skilled black labor, the late 20th century would open the Mexican border up so that businesses could drive up profit margins by exploiting unskilled labor from the Global South.

    And yet, you still see Reaganite Republicans say that it’s “Leftist conspiracy” to tilt elections (even though low-IQ immigrant populations, and their descendants, don’t vote all that much). But which industries employ unskilled labor? Why, none other than the “conservative” aligned industries like agriculture and construction. The most nakedly corrupt elements in the GOP have, at times, openly admitted that they want a return to the mid-late 19th century, when we allowed lots of laborers to come here but denied them voting rights and worker dignity protections. I’d argue that voting Democrat, even with their current problems, isn’t necessarily a bad idea because at least the Democrats aren’t going to be gloating about the wonders of mid-late 19th century labor policy. The Reaganites are useless and bunch of fools, for all the trash talking they’ve done toward the New Deal era (what kind of sociopath actually would suggest that America was better off in 1880 than it was in 1950?)

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
  26. Twinkie says:
    @Audacious Epigone

    Lee Kuan Yew is often misquoted here. From your link, his actual reply:

    SPIEGEL: During your career, you have kept your distance from Western style democracy. Are you still convinced that an authoritarian system is the future for Asia?

    Mr. Lee: Why should I be against democracy? The British came here, never gave me democracy, except when they were about to leave. But I cannot run my system based on their rules. I have to amend it to fit my people’s position. In multiracial societies, you don’t vote in accordance with your economic interests and social interests, you vote in accordance with race and religion. Supposing I’d run their system here, Malays would vote for Muslims, Indians would vote for Indians, Chinese would vote for Chinese. I would have a constant clash in my Parliament which cannot be resolved because the Chinese majority would always overrule them. So I found a formula that changes that…

    SPIEGEL: … and that turned Singapore de facto into a one party state. Critics say that Singapore resembles a Lee Family Enterprise. Your son is the Prime Minister, your daughter-in-law heads the powerful Development Agency…

    Mr. Lee: … and my other son is CEO of Singapore Telecoms, my daughter is head of the National Institute for Neurology. This is a very small community of 4 million people. We run a meritocracy. If the Lee Family set an example of nepotism, that system would collapse. If I were not the prime minister, my son could have become Prime Minister several years earlier. It is against my interest to allow any family member who’s incompetent to hold an important job because that would be a disaster for Singapore and my legacy. That cannot be allowed.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  27. @Arclight

    I was going to write to A.E. the same thing, but reason (c) is that it’s impossible to implement. Nope, just take away the perverse incentive for the U’s to raise tuition to the sky, knowing that the kids in any useless major can get the money with Uncle Sugar’s backing.

    Free markets work! It’s time to try them again soon.

  28. Feryl says:
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    “And where are their parents in all of this??”

    Most people born before 1970 don’t have a full grasp of just how exploitative and dysfunctional the post-2000 system is. Furthermore, many of them thought (and still think) that what worked in the 1950’s-1990’s (work hard, obey the law, be a nice person, and you’ll be all set) will still work for younger generations.

    A recent boss of mine (born in 1966) had 5 kids in the 80’s/90’s, and stayed married to the father up until this spring, when she committed suicide. Having to take care of 5 Millennial daughters (most of whom wanted to “succeed”) put a lot of pressure on her, and her husband had recently lost his job and dipped into their retirement account.

    The last couple decades have been very financially and emotionally stressful. But whereas older generations are either in denial or despair/frustration about the current nature of the system, younger generations don’t take any thing for granted, and never believed (never) that the system was designed to reward hard work and good character. Nope. It’s broken and corrupt. That helps explain why people born in the 70’s and 80’s (and increasingly, 90’s) are not having kids, not getting married, not becoming Reaganite cucks etc. We live in a society that has no ability to take care of it’s own, so why subject anyone else to this BS?

  29. @EastKekistani

    We all can.

    Your passionate hatred of the Malays is frankly unjustified and quite irrational. Maybe it stems from the fact that they have an anti-Chinese progrom every couple of years, or maybe it might be a deep seated inferiority complex regarding the state of both your countries, and how Malaysia has exponentially better HDI, quality of life, GDP Per capita, GDP per Capita ppp, and what not.

    This sensationalist outlook of yours towards the Malays and even the many people of Indonesia is quite shocking. From your previous philosophical ramblings regarding the meanings of life, regarding your approaches to life, and whatnot, I can sort of see why you would take some issues regarding the Hmong, Cambodians and the Flips, but the intense fervour in which you display your animosity towards them is troubling, even for a comment on this website, and even for me, in general.

  30. Anon[288] • Disclaimer says:

    “Free markets work! It’s time to try them again soon.”

    Relatively speaking. Free-markets can work just fine under certain circumstances. But blanket free-market capitalism in all situations doesn’t always have desirable results, depending upon circumstance. This is why China’s managed economy is able to quickly allocate resources to make her a superior competitor (otherwise, she’d do stupid things like cut science funding or fail to invest in infrastructure because it doesn’t make money back for greedy capitalists — just as we see in the USA). Blanket free-markets also crushed the British Empire in regards to American competition, caused North Carolina to lose 42% of her manufacturing jobs since NAFTA, exploded the nation’s trade deficit, and industrialized a superior competitor in China; within 5 years, Huawei will be the world’s largest smartphone manufacturer surpassing both Apple and Samsung. Eventually, the USA might be locked out of the market entirely just as Microsoft can’t sell game consoles in Asia and Europe. Same for 5G, AI, hypersonic defense weapons, and a host of other technologies China is now taking the lead in developing.

    Over the next twenty years, Chinese companies will probably devastate their American competition in the free-market. Blind devotion to an outdated Reagan dogma that helped cause this situation doesn’t strike me as the way forward. The US should have worked to delay China’s rise until her demographics aged her out of being a serious threat. Now, China will almost certainly surpass the US as the world’s preeminent nation just as free trade put the USA over the British Empire*. The ruling class certainly believe this to be the case, which explains their histrionics over European acceptance of Huawei’s 5G technology and Apple Corporation’s recent near-death experience over Intel’s failure to produce an acceptable 5G chip for their next iPhone; they got one from Qualcomm, but just barely. China is far from being fully industrialized and yet they can already flex on America’s biggest tech corporations. That’s an ominous sign for the future. But as the Boomers wont’ be around to see the product of their mistakes, I doubt they’ll care too much.

    Side Note: The nation’s demographics have changed to the point where free-markets can no longer be implemented as a solution to the student loan crisis. Minorities, being poorer than whites, would be cut out of University admissions disproportionately and in a democracy where votes are required to get major things done, they’d never permit such a thing to occur. So, regardless of what you think on the subject, it won’t happen anyway.

    *China will also soon have the world’s largest Christian population. If you believe God is real, then China is about to have some serious spiritual power and a vengeful God backing her up as she takes revenge on a decadent, disrespectful USA. I’m not saying I believe that, I’m just pointing out that regardless of how you look at the situation – naturalistic or theistic – China is getting ready to be a very serious player on the global stage.

    • Replies: @Feryl
  31. @anon

    North Dakota was Trump’s 4th best state, so not that much of an outlier here. Only Wyoming, Oklahoma, and West Virginia were more MAGA than North Dakota.

  32. @BengaliCanadianDude

    Your passionate hatred of the Malays is frankly unjustified and quite irrational.

    Not really. We only bash them from time to time while they actually murder our people.

    or maybe it might be a deep seated inferiority complex regarding the state of both your countries,

    What? Lmao. That’s funny. So you believe that Malaysia is better than China?

    and how Malaysia has exponentially better HDI, quality of life, GDP Per capita, GDP per Capita ppp, and what not.

    Exponentially better? Lol. We do not envy the Malays.

    This sensationalist outlook of yours towards the Malays and even the many people of Indonesia is quite shocking.

    It is a natural reaction to racial violence.

  33. @EastKekistani

    So you believe that Malaysia is better than China

    At this point in time, yes. Yes it is.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  34. @BengaliCanadianDude

    What are we comparing? They have British laws while we have commies.

    Why do you defend Malays? Is it solely because they are Muslim? It seems that Muslim solidarity and to a less extant Christian solidarity across racial lines actually exist. In this respect you are similar to @Talha and @Iffen.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
  35. Michael S says:

    That’s great news. It’s just too bad that teenage white males comprise less than 25% of the soon-to-be eligible voting base.

    We aren’t going to vote our way out of this.

  36. @Audacious Epigone

    Yes. Portland is a hub for middle and upper middle class white cultural Marxists. Towns like Eugene (University of Oregon), Corvallis (Oregon State University), and Salem (the state capital), are all liberal, but nothing like Portland. East of the Cascades Oregon becomes a colder version of Texas.

  37. Feryl says:
    @Anon

    “Blanket free-markets also crushed the British Empire in regards to American competition, caused North Carolina to lose 42% of her manufacturing jobs since NAFTA, exploded the nation’s trade deficit, and industrialized a superior competitor in China;”

    What seems to happen, to so many empires/dominant countries, is that several generations work their ass off to get to the top. But then subsequent generations take for granted what they inhereted, and it gets pissed away eventually. In the case of the US, our social/economic/foreign policy collapse has occurred amazingly fast. We gained strength in the early-mid 20th century, and were dominant in the 1940’s-1960’s. Then we began to lose our way in the 70’s and 80’s. But at least the Soviets were still around, so we couldn’t be that cocky. Then the Soviets faded away, and with stuff like NAFTA, the Clinton Crime Family (The Clinton’s were knee deep in the 1980’s drug trade), and ex-politicians demanding huge “speaking fees” (retroactive bribery) in the 90’s, we dropped any pretense of having a wholesome and well-functioning society.

  38. @EastKekistani

    Correct. We see the results of a multiracial society here in our beloved, crumbling republic. Racial diversity is great for restaurant selection, but that’s about it. Although, I would be more accepting of diversity if it comprised of Europeans, Asians, Hispanics, and a sprinkling of Arabs. Who did I leave out?

  39. @Feryl

    The South is the only region of the country where democracy resembles what LKY described at this point. Either that expands to the rest of the country in the coming years or the GOP is the minority (politically, heh) party into the indefinite future.

    • Replies: @Feryl
    , @Oblivionrecurs
  40. @SunBakedSuburb

    Negroids as usual.

    What you talked about is called “Singapore”. I believe multiracial societies are feasible however multiracial republics aren’t.

    With Negroids it is even worse than that. I think even the good neighbor policy (i.e. each race mostly lives in several democratic ethnostates while exchanging ideas in Singapores) can not work with them. With Negroids supervision by the rest of humanity at least in several crucial areas such as public health is necessary. After all, if each race just minds their own business nobody is going to stop Ebola, HIV or other predominantly Negroid diseases. Then even though we can have racial borders diseases can easily spread across them. Shall Arabs have to evacuate 5-10 miles from the racial border with Negroids to establish an unpopulated buffer zone against Sub-Saharan African illnesses? Even that can not stop avian flu and many other diseases. There is also a serious question about mines. For example our mobile phones are highly dependent on coltan mines in Congo. Due to Negroid wars or incompetence what shall we do if coltan is no longer produced?

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  41. @Twinkie

    Right, I don’t mean to make a normative judgment about it and neither did he, I don’t think.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  42. @EastKekistani

    It’s not because they are Muslim strangely enough. China for example, is better than many Muslim nations. I’m a horrible Muslim too, and this assumption that my religion has an overreaching influence on my opinions on economy and industry is wild, and out of touch with reality. I do admire Tun Mahathir, but that is actually on a bit of a tangent

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  43. @SunBakedSuburb

    You left out good South Asians. You included Arabs but not us?

    Prepared to be sued, goy.

    No seriously, what the hell.

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
  44. @Feryl

    ” ‘Conservative’ cheap labor lovers have done more to destroy this country than just about anybody else.”

    They’re part of the one-two punch with the white progressive-cultural Marxist elite that has sent the republic spiraling down towards civil war. Our political system is beyond dysfunctional.

    • Replies: @Feryl
  45. Twinkie says:
    @Audacious Epigone

    Right, I don’t mean to make a normative judgment about it and neither did he, I don’t think.

    And “race and religion” is very different from just “race” especially in practice.

    Some people on Unz tend to obsess about and project race into everything, but in reality race – while important- is not everything. It’s certainly not the only thing. Globally and historically, religious conflicts have been far more numerous and destructive than racial ones. Cultural values matter.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  46. @BengaliCanadianDude

    You are part Gujarati. His arguments that favors Malays over Chinese and Indians can be easily abused by Negroids in East Africa against Gujaratis for they are essentially losers’ arguments. We are all in the same boat.

    I believe the fundamental interests of all civilized peoples, white, NE Asian, Indian, Middle Eastern and others are aligned. For example we all want safety, prosperity and knowledge. It is the Negroids (well, most of them, Igbos can sometimes be an exception) who don’t want these things or at least don’t want these things enough. Since they do very poorly using measures civilizations love instead of improving they simply began to discredit these measures. This causes confusion and decline. What we should do is convincing non-Negroids who are not yet very civilized such as mestizos to be more like us, not more like Negroids.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
  47. @SunBakedSuburb

    Why would you want Asians and Hispanics and Arabs in the country?

    I love diversity – western Europe, southern Europe, eastern Europe, and northern Europe. That’s just fine for me.

    Other than that, no thanks.

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
  48. @Twinkie

    Some people on Unz tend to obsess about and project race into everything, but in reality race – while important- is not everything. It’s certainly not the only thing. Globally and historically, religious conflicts have been far more numerous and destructive than racial ones. Cultural values matter.

    Yes. Most racial conflicts are related to Negroids. I think we can have a more balanced and nuanced view about the rest of the world as long as we aren’t discussing them.

    • Replies: @Feryl
    , @Audacious Epigone
  49. @BengaliCanadianDude

    I’m being typically American in that I use the term “Asian” to encompass all Asiatic lands, from Iran and India, south to the Philippines and Indonesia, and north to Japan, Korea, and the mighty China. Whoops, I left out Thailand, Laos, another little country that keeps changing its name, and Vietnam. Vietnam, who fought off the American madman in the 1960s and 1970s. All distinct cultures and peoples.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
  50. Feryl says:
    @Audacious Epigone

    But there are economic differences between the South and the rest of the country, not just racial ones; moreover, whites are much more comfortable with any ethnic group than they are with SS Blacks.

    The South is much more reliant on the military than other regions are.

    Virginia, and increasingly Georgia, have taken in a lot of newfangled ethnic groups and white yuppies; as prole whites and blacks are displaced, so too is the traditional political arrangement in much of the South, where whites tacitly support measures designed to limit dysfunction in the black community while keeping the political power of blacks in check.

    California lost a lot of it’s military based economy in the early 90’s, but it’s also true that this was when Mexicans were beginning to displace a lot of the blacks. CA voted for the GOP in 1988 (during the Cold War and the Crack Wars), but began trending very far to the Left by the end of the 90’s.

    As I’ve said before, there is no rule that prevents any particular state from having it’s trad. demographics and culture get displaced. If native birth rates remain low (as they are even for blacks, at this point) and immigration remains high, we’re looking at the possibility of say, Mississipi, being changed into something that the state’s historical inhabitants could never have imagined. There was a time when the pre-Boomer generations of the South were thought to be so resistant to transplants and “change” that the region would have to be conquered by force in order to “tame” it (and indeed, Ike famously enforced integration at gun-point back in the 50’s). But in case the Boomers buying the sob stories about blacks weren’t bad enough, by the 80’s they were crying about the entire Global South (and complaining that Americans/Brits. etc. weren’t sufficiently grateful and hard-working, thus setting the stage for Reaganite immigrant apologists (“as long as you come here legally and work hard, who am I to deny you entry?”). At the end of the day, these lachrymose platitudes were just a ruse for decadent generations who wanted to get rich by selling out the economy and demographics of the West.

    What’s unprecedented about America’s demographic transformation is how our elites encouraged it to happen. We didn’t get over-run by invaders; they got our permission.

  51. neutral says:

    I doubt anybody here knows what the average political views are of under 18 white males in South Africa. When these US whites turn 50 or, then their voting power will be as weak and irrelevant as the South African one is now.

    • Replies: @Feryl
  52. Feryl says:
    @EastKekistani

    Race-wise, it’s blacks and everyone else. Religion-wise, it’s Muslims and everyone else. America, due to some of it being borderline tropical, made the mistake of importing lots of blacks (whites got sunburns and malaria too easily). Europe, over the last 30 years, has made the mistake of importing lots of Muslims.

    There are heated conflicts based on religion and ethnicity all over the world, often involving tribes that are only slightly different, genetically speaking. However, blacks and Muslims seem to be almost incapable of sustained peaceful relationships with other tribes, and even within their own.

  53. @EastKekistani

    Fair point I guess regarding that. Might have spoken too soon and overlooked that.

    Never got the Nigerian, and namely, the Igbo hype. I won’t name the industry in which I work, but I’ve had these so-called “Jews of Subsaharan Africa” as co-workers and as interns and the likes, and I just don’t buy it. They are laggards, and extremely slow learners, who don’t absorb information disseminated to them well. They lack the critical thinking to make much of a difference, and they are quite rancid in their behaviour, as in they always seem to ask extremely harebrained questions of others, bringing the productivity of the rest of the team down with it. They are confused on their own tasks, they refuse to work, and they take the longest breaks. Why are you hyping them up so much?

  54. @Feryl

    Not even close about Muslims at all. There wouldnt be so much war if there wasn’t so much interventionism and foreign Western funding of extremist groups in the region, along with bowing down to the ZioCabal.

  55. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    I understand your point of view. I value my northern European heritage and feel most at home with my tribe. But I have to be realistic. Western civilization is on an unstoppable trajectory towards even more racially diverse societies. Look at the unopposed migrant flows into Europe and North America. This is what our elites want. They have the power of the state behind them. All we can do is use the instruments of culture to make our voices heard, because the political system will not tolerate a white-centered argument. Also, I live in an intensely diverse area. If we can remove Africans from the equation the melting pot will become more tolerable because Africans are chaos agents. Otherwise, I do find value to the Asian and Hispanic contributions to the fabric of the place I call home, California.

  56. @Feryl

    Islam is a religion, not a race. Hence it does not reflect unchangeable racial traits of Muslim peoples. After all Christian and secular non-black people among predominantly Muslim tribes are fairly peaceful. Moreover I do believe Islam was not that violent during its Golden Age and that violence in the Muslim world might be periodic as opposed to constant. This is why I think change in the Middle East is possible.

    On the other hand blacks and Australoids can not be changed. No amount of intervention short of mandatory genetic engineering can change them. I don’t really believe there is any solution other than the segregation-supervision idea I mentioned. Basically blacks need to live in black areas. A few selected agents will go to these areas and help them keep things from getting out of control. In exchange for accepting supervision free vaccination, birth control pills etc will be provided to the black population. Yes it is still depressing but if we don’t pay for their medicine they will cause African diseases to spread everywhere which will be even more expensive to handle.

    • Replies: @Feryl
    , @Sin City Milla
  57. Ray P says:

    Were teenaged lads likely supporters of the party of moms and creepy uncles?

  58. Feryl says:
    @neutral

    What’s considered “acceptable discourse” by comfortable neo-liberal elites in the modern post-Cold War era probably won’t be applicable 40 years from now. What was acceptable discourse in the 1920’s wasn’t applicable to the 50’s. The parameters of acceptable speech (and political views) in the 1980’s were different than they were in the 50’s (for one thing, profanity increased a lot in the 80’s). And the parameters for the 2010’s are much different than they were in the 80’s (you can’t casually call people f*gs and homos anymore). As Aud likes to say, an economic “re-adjustment” (and/or major political re-alignments both within and between various countries) could easily throw the neo-liberals (who worship multi-culturalism and economic de-regulation) into total disrepute and even opprobrium, similar to how the Social Darwinists became widely hated during the Great Depression, and were quickly replaced by New Dealers. The New Dealers enjoyed popular support in the 1930’s-1960’s, but were attacked in the 70’s and early 80’s. The neo-libs were firmly in the drivers seat by the time GHW Bush was elected.

    It’s only a matter of time before the successors to the neo-libs take over the show. In all likelihood, due to the poverty among Millennials (and many of their parents), we’ll get some sort of socialist ideology that becomes dominant. It’s funny how some the Reagan Republicans constantly warn about the horrors of socialism, when they themselves have presided over an utter cultural and economic collapse, which most people intuitively sense, even as a shrinking minority of true believers think that various magical feats can be performed to keep the neo-liberal way in place indefinitely. Well, it’s that sort of arrogance and magical thinking which dooms doddering ideologies and regimes.

    BTW, it’s very common for some people (even on this website!) to think that BAU can continue for at least several more decades, and also that certain things infecting the neo-lib West will somehow spread everywhere. But that’s not in keeping with historical cycles; the social-Darwinist Gilded Age lasted from roughly 1870-1900 before tentatively morphing into the Progressive era in 1900-1930, the New Deal from roughly 1930-1980, and the Neo-Liberal era started in 1980. The “Socialist era” will probably began around 2030, with some tentative victories in the the 2020’s (just like the neo-libs had a few victories in the 70’s)

    So American history generally run through trends that last about 50 years, with occasional stretches being more “mixed” (like the Gilded Age gradually morphing into the Progressive age over a 60 year period in which neither trend was widely accepted, while the New Deal and Neo-Lib era are easily identifiable for their durability).

    Fortunately, the “Socialist era” will bring about changes to what is considered “acceptable” in the political realm. You may not think it’s necessarily better than what we had with Neo-liberalism, but at this point most people are ready try any alternative.

  59. @BengaliCanadianDude

    Same. I hear people saying Muh based Nigerian Christians. They’re fighting against Muslims so they must be good!

    Truth is, while I have met a small number of very nice, very smart Africans, the vast majority are still, well, Africans.

  60. Anon[932] • Disclaimer says:

    Are these the same young people who believe Shapiro’s words are superior to farts?

  61. Feryl says:
    @EastKekistani

    ” This is why I think change in the Middle East is possible.”

    Well, Ireland was full of ethnic/political inspired terrorism in the 70’s and 80’s, almost all of it between different white factions; nowadays, many non-whites freely enter Ireland, which has completely succumbed to neo-liberalism since the late 90’s. But it’s only a matter of time before the familiar longings to defend one’s family/tribe are awakened, and we’ll go right back to Ireland’s “traditional” culture of belligerence and unrest (compared to their Anglo cousins, in any event). Liam Neeson recently caught flack for admitting that he considered beating up a random black person after he heard that a black guy raped a white woman in the 80’s; it’s just not human nature to sustain peace and multi-culturalism for that long.

    Hell, neo-liberalism diminished ethnic conflict in the West by encouraging everyone to “work hard” so that they could competitively “earn” the spoils over the lazy “losers”. We shed the tribalism we had in the early-mid 20th century by instilling narcissism among Boomer/Gen X/Millennial yuppies, who were encouraged to ruthlessly sell each other out. Neo-lib apologists consider this to be an improvement over collective/ethnic tribalism, but an ever increasing number of people are willing to call out the neo-libs for their attempts to erase cultural and ethnic identity by focusing all of one’s energy on making more money.

    I can think of no greater example of the treacherous vacuousness of the neo-libs/Reaganites than the all too familiar refrain that there is a big difference between legal and illegal immigration*. Way to take a piss on the legacy of your ancestors….But, I suppose, our ancestors were “immigrants” anyway, so why not welcome more of it?

    *Too many immigrants of any kind is unacceptable because it economically and culturally ravages a a nation.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
  62. polaco says:
    @AceDeuce

    There’s nowhere else to go, they approve- or should I say prefer- the message, what a politician does once elected nobody can control, and few want to sacrifice their time watching them “work”. At least give them credit for rejecting the Democratic Party platform. It’s an uphill battle anyway since the Democrats own the bureaucracy top to bottom.

  63. Feryl says:

    The Neo-lib era will self-immolate because the cultural/economic havoc they wrought will make stability (and respect for the neo-lib order) impossible to sustain. Merkel’s Muslim invasion provoked some countries to take a stand (like Denmark and Austria); those who fail to do so will have leaders who fall into disrepute, and this will leave a leadership/ideolgical vacuum that will eventually be replaced by a non-Neo-lib. Macron’s monumentally stupid decision to push yet more of the tax burden on proles (as has been commonplace in the Neo-lib era) has made him hated by the average French person. The waning years of any ideology feature leaders who don’t recognize the changes on the horizon, and when they fail to adjust accordingly, they are judged to be failures* and eventually replaced by people who will adapt to the times.

    *by ordinary people

    • Replies: @Sin City Milla
  64. Feryl says:
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    That’s why the Reaganite Religous Right is so hated by the dissident Right; nationality and race mean nothing, religion means everything. Multi-culturalism is fine as long as it’s within the confines of doing it for Jesus, e.g., a black or Muslim or whoever can be disciples of the lord, and holy virtue knows no national or ethnic boundaries.

    Of course, this is all retarded non-sense that shows no rational or reasoned grasp of human nature and tribal conflict. The pre-Boomer generations judged this sort of “multi-cultural out-reach” to be a laughable folly from about 1900-1970, when we strictly policed our communal and national borders to keep degeneracy (and rank idiocy) out of reach.

    A big reason X-ers and Millennials “turned on” religion is because we had elders insisting on the “value” of religion while out in the real world, in the 70’s-90’s, our quality of life was getting objectively worse, while we were supposed to be crying about third world poverty.

  65. Why do I get the feeling that few younger dissident rights on here have ever talked to a Christian trad/cons, let alone discussed politics, race, and culture? Your hatred and rage toward the group (thanks for the rent-free digs, but I own my own land)only helps those working for globalism — I’m sure they laugh their heads off when they see you getting all virtuous about your superiority over those of us who grew up free-range in the 50s and long for an American culture (95+ percent white) you have only read about….instead of them.

    Sad thing is, we’re you, just older….but same side. If you’d rather fight some media-created entity called “the religious right” than the globalists, maybe you’re not smart or mature enough to join our ranks. Too bad– with what we’re facing, sticking together would be the smartest move to fight open-border multi-cults. But it’s easy to see–you don’t mind them at all –instead your rage is directed toward that imaginary foe, the mighty “boomercon.” Pathetic.

    Trad nationalist, heritage American — Irish, Welsh, Scotts-Irish, Dutch, and German –here, working to save America. Need your help. Can you get it through your silly heads that we are not your enemy, and stop trying to pick fights with us?

  66. Mark G. says:
    @EastKekistani

    “Left” and “Right” isn’t very useful when national socialists are put on the far right and international socialists, or communists, are put on the far left. It’s better to think in terms of who makes the decisions in your life. Should decisions be made by you or by government? Almost everyone agrees that you should not be able to make decisions that obviously harm another person. You can’t decide to murder someone, even if you think they deserve it like the main character in “Crime and Punishment” decides when he murders an old woman. There is much more disagreement about whether you can make decisions that cause minor harm to others or harm to yourself. Generally, freedom to make decisions fall into the two categories of economic freedom and personal freedom. In American terms, the right tends to believe in economic freedom but not personal freedoms or so-called “victim-less crimes” like the right to use drugs, view pornography, read what you want, engage in homosexual acts or prostitution and so on. The left would tend to be the opposite. In European terms, the right was traditionally considered to be pro-monarchy and almost all Americans were considered to be some type of Lockean liberal. So, to categorize some of the groups you mentioned, an Objectivist would be pro-freedom and national socialists and North Korea would be anti-freedom. White nationalism would be harder to categorize. Some white nationalists want to impose their personal beliefs or lifestyle on others or believe in a “whites only” welfare state but many white nationalists just want the freedom to be left alone to live their life the way they want. They fear that nonwhites want to take away their freedom. This fear is not totally unjustified. Whites are more likely to be freedom loving individualists while nonwhites are more likely to have a collectivist mindset.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    , @iffen
  67. boy, are they in for a disappointing future.

  68. @Mark G.

    “Left” and “Right” isn’t very useful when national socialists are put on the far right and international socialists, or communists, are put on the far left.

    Of course. My hypothesis is that they are merely team names not very different from “Allies” and “Axis”, not ideologies.

    It’s better to think in terms of who makes the decisions in your life.

    Yep. This is a fairly libertarian point of view.

    Generally, freedom to make decisions fall into the two categories of economic freedom and personal freedom. In American terms, the right tends to believe in economic freedom but not personal freedoms or so-called “victim-less crimes” like the right to use drugs, view pornography, read what you want, engage in homosexual acts or prostitution and so on. The left would tend to be the opposite.

    Yep. This is another reason why the words “left” and “right” are useless. I’m not sure how “economic freedom + personal freedom -” and “economic freedom- personal freedom+” are actually necessarily the only relevant or feasible “packages”. North Korea for example is — and Objectivism is ++. I’m actually fairly ++ other than when dealing with Negroids.

    White nationalism would be harder to categorize. Some white nationalists want to impose their personal beliefs or lifestyle on others or believe in a “whites only” welfare state but many white nationalists just want the freedom to be left alone to live their life the way they want. They fear that nonwhites want to take away their freedom. This fear is not totally unjustified. Whites are more likely to be freedom loving individualists while nonwhites are more likely to have a collectivist mindset.

    I think ethnonationalism is itself a separate axis. It is easy to actually defend WN on the grounds of socialism or….actually libertarianism. You can even claim that the entire SJ package without race can only be achieved with WN, that is, the racial values and non-racial values of SJ are inherently contradictory.

  69. Anon[737] • Disclaimer says:

    “The Clinton’s were knee deep in the 1980’s drug trade”

    Is that what all those corrupt real estate deals were about? Money laundering?

  70. 216 says:
    @Political and Psychological Junkie

    Manosphere criticism of tradcons generally doesn’t extend to those who join and respect the Dissident movements.

    What is criticized is the sentiment of “man up and marry those sluts”, which is apparently preached by certain evanglical Protestant pastors, and social conservative groups like the Family Research Council.

    Jordan Peterson is also worthy of being scripted as a tradcon, though he has heretical beliefs and ostensibly criticizes feminism.

    Promoting marriage is bad advice for 80% of men, as their utility as beta providers is minimal.

    Most Boomer conservatives didn’t vote for Buchanan in ’92 or ’96 or Perot in ’92. If you did you are not individually worthy of condemnation. But on a collective basis your class owes us an apology, and you need to convince your fellow Boomers that the Border Wall is more important than Nuclear-armed Israel.

    • Disagree: UrbaneFrancoOntarian
  71. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    I don’t care about what they think on me or other Muslims. They can get in line.

    Just saying, doesn’t matter on the religion of the Nigerians either, they all seem to be as incompetent as each other. Says a lot. Nothing special. Not signing off on another Nigerian intern at the office that’s for sure lol

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
  72. @Political and Psychological Junkie

    How are you agreeing with this garbage, FroggyFranco?

  73. @Feryl

    But, I suppose, our ancestors were “immigrants” anyway

    Well I mean yeah. They were?……….

    That doesn’t mean I support the other side of course

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
  74. @BengaliCanadianDude

    Sounds like you are raycis.

    At least you can use your brown and Muslim status to get out of trouble. Say it’s a “cultural misunderstanding” and that you’ve been “influenced by the culture of whiteness that marginalizes Blackness”.

    How does this deal sound? Brown people can exclude all blacks from the workplace, and take the heat. In exchange they get 35% of jobs specifically for their own people; 45% must go to white people.

  75. iffen says:
    @Mark G.

    Should decisions be made by you or by government?

    I kind of like making my own decisions while the government makes sure that you make decisions that are agreeable to me.

  76. @EastKekistani

    Stripping away questions of morality, how would you redirect the animus for whites towards blacks instead? Steve Sailer has suggested the GOP try and brand the Democrats as The Black Party rather than The POC Party or whatever, but that isn’t happening at all. If anything, blacks are very modestly inching towards the GOP while Asians and Hispanics are becoming more Democrat.

  77. iffen says:
    @216

    Boomer, boomer, boomer.

    Quit your whining and keep paying your payroll taxes. 🙂

  78. @EastKekistani

    Playing Negro’s Advocate, blacks have almost no historical blood on their hands as far as interracial wars go. Zulu’s get some blame, but not much. They couldn’t even if they’d wanted to, of course, but the fact remains.

  79. @216

    I see you’re one of the good goys. I’m never getting married because all women are hoes! Fuck the white birth rate!

    What is criticized is the sentiment of “man up and marry those sluts”

    How about:
    a) don’t participate in hookup culture (you know, feed the sluts)
    b) man up and marry a decent woman. There are so many out there. You just get bogged down by the constant over-negativity of the manosphere. Get out of your online echo chamber and meet some women. There are plenty of good ones out there.

    Men always lead a society. Women adapt for what they think society, and their men, want. Women see themselves getting adored by men who are constantly looking for a hookup. Even ugly and fat women. So they think that’s what society wants for them.

    If men were to collectively stop hooking up, women would stop whoring around. It’s another way of the manosphere to pass the buck onto women. It’s man’s job to lead, woman will follow. If you’re too weak to lead women, just admit that.

    Promoting marriage is bad advice for 80% of men, as their utility as beta providers is minimal.

    More defeatist, pseudo-scientific horseshit. Women want to be married. They just need a decent man.

    But on a collective basis your class owes us an apology

    Whites also collectively owe blacks reparations for slavery. Again, man up and start focusing on what you want. Boomercons are blind and weak since they were raised in such easy times. You can rescue them.

    and you need to convince your fellow Boomers that the Border Wall is more important than Nuclear-armed Israel.

    Agreed, and so do you. Why are you passing on the buck to Boomers? It’s everyone’s job to advocate ceaselessly for what they believe in.

    • Replies: @216
  80. @BengaliCanadianDude

    They were settlers, builders, and conquerors.

    Not “immigrants”. It’s a slap in the face to my ancestors when immigrants today are whining about how hard it is here, and how they are entitled to be here.

    Nobody was entitled to live in Canada when my great great great great grandparents came here. Winter, Indians, Famine, Bears, etc. would kill you. They carved out their “entitlement” to live here out of the sheer wilderness. They couldn’t just move to Toronto like 90% of immigrants do today.

    What Canada needs is to develop the north. I would send any immigrants to Northern Ontario, to develop that land. Send them to the frontier. But instead, we just let them mass up in ghettoes in Toronto, and listen to their ceaseless, self-righteous preaching that they’re entitled to live in Canada because our ancestors were also “immigrants”.

    I just don’t want to hear any crying when Russia takes over the North.

  81. Anon[131] • Disclaimer says:

    “A big reason X-ers and Millennials “turned on” religion is because we had elders insisting on the “value” of religion while out in the real world, in the 70’s-90’s, our quality of life was getting objectively worse, while we were supposed to be crying about third world poverty.”

    Additionally, boomer religion discredited itself by promoting apocalyptic end-times dogma that never came to pass. Further embarrassing themselves with Young Earth creationism and rejecting evolution didn’t help matters; blatantly scamming the public through televangelist reciprocity heresy was perhaps the final nail in the coffin. If Christianity wants to make a comeback, at least to some minor degree, I might suggest reforming it so that it’s an ethnic identifier just as Judaism is for Jews in Israel and not just a set of spiritual, all or nothing, beliefs people must believe in their hearts; you can start by perhaps removing the OT. In Israel, a significant portion of the population does not believe in God but yet that nation has wonderful cohesion. Christianity should be the de facto religion of the European peoples; let other groups convert to Islam. That is also where you could get your implicit white identity from, using religion and culture as a means of shielding adherents from attack. People have evolved to be religious on some level, although some are obviously more religious than others. Exploiting religious feeling might have some application for building a political or ethnic apparatus.

    • Replies: @216
    , @Feryl
  82. 216 says:
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    How about:
    a) don’t participate in hookup culture (you know, feed the sluts)

    I don’t

    b) man up and marry a decent woman. There are so many out there. You just get bogged down by the constant over-negativity of the manosphere. Get out of your online echo chamber and meet some women. There are plenty of good ones out there.

    IIRC, you aren’t married either.

    If men were to collectively stop hooking up, women would stop whoring around. It’s another way of the manosphere to pass the buck onto women. It’s man’s job to lead, woman will follow. If you’re too weak to lead women, just admit that.

    The mainstream Western society has granted near-exclusive control of mating choices to women. Outside of counter-cultural religious communities, there is no social coercion of women to adhere to a traditionalist life.

    I don’t consider myself high-value, and I’m OK with that.

    Why are you passing on the buck to Boomers?

    I believe a message is best given by someone from the same community.

    I’m not a brown person from the Bronx, so its not my role to rip AOC.

    I learned the hard way that Boomers hated the approach of Millennial Ron Paul supporters during both of his campaigns for President.

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
  83. 216 says:
    @Anon

    Additionally, boomer religion discredited itself by promoting apocalyptic end-times dogma that never came to pass. Further embarrassing themselves with Young Earth creationism and rejecting evolution didn’t help matters; blatantly scamming the public through televangelist reciprocity heresy was perhaps the final nail in the coffin.

    This is an important part of the narrative, I usually add on another aspect. Evangelicals were major supporters of the Bush-wars, and paid the price for betting on the losing horse. The corruption of the Abramoff scandal also tarred them, along with the Schaivo incident. The Bush campaign’s efforts to build alliances with Black and Hispanic Protestants also failed thanks to botched hurricane responses and the recession.

    I might suggest reforming it so that it’s an ethnic identifier just as Judaism is for Jews in Israel and not just a set of spiritual, all or nothing, beliefs people must believe in their hearts; you can start by perhaps removing the OT. In Israel, a significant portion of the population does not believe in God but yet that nation has wonderful cohesion.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_Jews#Jewish_Israeli_culture

    https://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-4180860,00.html

    In the diaspora, the non-Orthodox forms of Judaism continue as a sort of ethno-religious affinity group. It appears that they don’t have as much influence in Israel due to being the majority culture, and the lack of state funding.

    While most Jews are not observing all the traditions, they are much less secular than nearly all European countries.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
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  84. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    I mean that is literally the definition of immigrant lol Why is this being questioned? I would say you’re arguing semantics, but you’re not. You’re arguing falsehoods.

    The Italians, Croatians, Russians, Polaks, Irish, Ukrainians, Slovaks, Chinese all came as immigrants. In fact, the Chinese came before many EUROPEAN groups came. If you follow along in eighth grade history class, they helped build the railroad, and they are part of the fabric of Canada, no question. There were also Indian communities numbering into the 5 thousands as well. But that is bringing my ehtnicity into it. Regardless, and the point being……a very large portion, the overwhelming majority of current whites are immigrants. FACT.//True and relevant

    I concur on that. New immigrants should go elsewhere, away from the mainstays. There should also be Singaporean mandates put into place, controlling the percentage of a certain ethnicity in an area. This might prevent Markhams, or Vancouvers(or rather Hongcouver, still waiting on them to declare themselves to be a Chinese territory, and for them to proclaim that they were always a part of China). Or whatnot. I strangely agree with you, partially on this one. Somewhat.

    AAAAAAAH

    But that’s not a fair comparison. Even whites have not built up the North.

    The costs are far too great, and I don’t blame them either. The costs of maintenance and the sorts far exceed the sheer need or importance. It’s also too cold, and whitey seems to think so. Not Fair White Man!!

    • Replies: @216
    , @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
  85. 216 says:
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    I just don’t want to hear any crying when Russia takes over the North.

    I’m enjoying the thought of Cossack gangs putting a beat-down on the First Nations.

  86. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    Your ancestors were immigrants. For the second time in the space of an hour, I’m not saying that justifies it. But stop talking in doublespeak. IT”S IN THE DEFINITION OF THE WORD

    Cambridge Dictionary(never knew they had one, probably competing with AwksFud)

    Meaning of immigrant in English

    Contents
    immigrant
    noun [ C ] UK ​ /ˈɪm.ɪ.ɡrənt/ US ​ /ˈɪm.ə.ɡrənt/

    B2 a person who has come to a different country in order to live there permanently:

    a large immigrant population
    Illegal immigrants are sent back across the border if they are caught.
    More exa

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  87. @Audacious Epigone

    I can find actually find a lot because I have been actually looking for them.

    Black racial crimes against whites: Haitian Massacre, Air Rhodesia 825, 827, farm invasions in Zimbabwe & South Africa, black crime all over the world.

    Black racial crimes against Middle Easterners: Zanzibar Massacre, Zanj Rebellion. Black mercenaries fighting against Libyans under Gaddafi.

    Black racial crimes against Indians: Idi Amin’s expulsion of Indians, Zanzibar Massacre, numerous black crimes against Indians from South Africa to Trinidad and Tobago.

  88. @Audacious Epigone

    Playing Negro’s Advocate

    Ray-CIS white male (see what I did there HAHAHAH)

    Seriously, double standards. Helllll-oooooo.

    Blacks have fought each other in Africa though. What are you even referring to, they even fought each other in Rhodesia. And what about the Rwandan Genocide? Is that also an example of them “not having historical blood”?

    Bruuuuuuuuuuuuh

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  89. @BengaliCanadianDude

    The world belongs to conquerors, not those who submit to others.

    So yes this is what WNs and Muslim warriors taught me. If you want territory you should conquer it by force. If you do not use force or threaten to use force you can not get it. If you purchase it peacefully but do not deter others it isn’t actually yours. I know it is “counterintuitive” because it is exactly the opposite of any mainstream morality but this is what actually works.

  90. 216 says:
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    I mean that is literally the definition of immigrant lol Why is this being questioned? I would say you’re arguing semantics, but you’re not. You’re arguing falsehoods.

    Our moral claim to the territories is based upon military conquest of barbarians.

    The liberal narrative of “immigrants” is designed to dismantle our cultural primacy.

    A rough estimate can be that people who came before welfare statism and multikult are “settlers”, and those after it are “immigrants”. It’s inaccurate to an extent on a factual basis, but not on a narrative basis. An additional part of our narrative is that “immigrants” are transient in nature, with residual ties to the Old Country. There is some hesitancy to use the term “colonization”, for whatever reason we prefer “replacement” which sounds scarier.

    Leftist discourse tends to refer to Israelis as “settlers”, and South African blacks call the Afrikaners “settlers”. Amerinds also like to tar whites as “settlers”. So the term is not always as positive as we think.

    It’s also too cold, and whitey seems to think so. Not Fair White Man!!

    Call me back when India has blasted a railroad tunnel across the Himalayas.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
  91. @BengaliCanadianDude

    Yep. This is actually why macho Pakistanis sometimes mock you Bengalis. You guys are too peaceful. Hence whether you guys even own Bangladesh is an open question.

    Ironically according to the Laws of Nature Negroids currently have the most rights precisely because they are extremely unlawful and violent. Similarly illegals are a lot more legitimate than legal immigrants precisely because they are illegal and hence their actions change the consensus and are hence politically relevant. Conquerors who actually killed a lot of natives are actually more legitimate than even illegals because they completely destroyed the old system.

  92. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    Indians are extremely “racist” towards Blacks. Most of the world is, with exception to your white liberal cousins in Western Europe. North Africans and their attitudes on marriage with blacks take the cake. I had this infograph, and the numbers were in the single digits, from 2 percent to a high of 7 percent approval. BasedAlgerians. /ourguys/ dare I say?

    We do employ whites what the hell lol. I’ve said this in the past, the whites and Indians are chill with each other. A family friend ran a convenience store( no joke lol he did) and he employed me and a white friend of mine. it was all totally cool. Whites also help us in the restaurant business if you have not noticed.

    We don’t employ blacks. We know they are very detrimental to the work experience, as well as the customer experience. So we already do exclude blacks, at least DE FACTO. If that word even applies in this situation. Methinks it does. Prove me wrong massa.

    I do agree with that proportion you just laid out we could even that out a bit better though not gonna lie lol

    I’m a hundred percent serious on what I wrote on the comment you replied to btw. They need my signatures. If another Bantu applies, by the grace of Allah, I shan’t sign the damn thing. Negroids need not apply, to paraphrase the posters from the 19th and 20th centuries regarding the paddies(irishmen)

    The white liberal woman will though. Wonder how much genitalia she sucked to reach this position though…….

    The Muslim card does not work as it seems. I don’t pray, I don’t follow the dietary restrictions nor do I adhere to many things. They disregard that 🙁

    Baaah!

    I’m quite “neutral” at work regarding politics, in all honesty. I prefer not to talk about it. To quote Private from the Penguins of Madagascar, “just smile and wave boys, smile and wave”. That’s…what I do. I’m not afraid. I just don’t want to spend calories arguing with these numbskulls. So I just shake my head and smile and nod in agreement.

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
  93. Now we can try to understand Jews.

    I have a new theory about them. From a pure utilitarian point of view between the disarmament of Jews and the modern rise of Jewry Jews were actually a lot less deadly and hence less immoral (because we don’t consider crimes against property worse than murder, do we?) than other peoples on average which was precisely why they were killed a lot more than average. Ironically when Jews actually started to kill a lot of people when they formed militias the amount of killings of Jews rapidly declined.

    The same applies to other peoples. For example when Mongols killed a lot of people, well, they killed a lot of people and nobody dared to mess with them. When they became less deadly the amount of killing of Mongols increased.

    This is how the universe works..and it is almost the opposite of how human societies officially claim it works. Isn’t it funny that natural science and “social science” often contradict each other? That’s because the latter is full of pro-social myths that obfuscate the harsh nature of the universe.

  94. @216

    Call me back when India has blasted a railroad tunnel across the Himalayas.

    Will never never happen now……..

    Also, pretty sure the CHinese had a fundamental role in the Canadian railroad system…

    checkmate….

    Also, I did mention Ukrainians, Italians, Irishmen and the whole squad. You could use your narrative argument sorta kinda for old stock WASPS, and Anglos, but I did make a distinction regarding those who came during the middle of the 1900s and the earlier 1900s.

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  95. @EastKekistani

    because we don’t consider crimes against property worse than murder, do we?)

    To paraphrase the dude from the Kite Runner…….most of the crimes in life are usually theft of some sort…….

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  96. @216

    IIRC, you aren’t married either.

    I’m very young. I plan on getting married. I’m also not the one bashing all women and moaning about how “they’re all sluts”. I’ll find a good one no doubt.

    Now try to actually respond to the point.

    The mainstream Western society

    It’s still a blackpilled mentality. You’d be amazed what you can find when you’re actually looking for it, and not limited by your own perception of what the world is.

    You should be going to church anyways. Having white children is our #1 priority.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
    , @216
  97. @BengaliCanadianDude

    There is in fact no such thing as “desert”. When you explore a moral system enough you can see thr glitches precisely because the universe itself is amoral. This is why all moral systems fall. Even the moral system of the Green left that actually cares about animals still fall simply because animals are assholes to each other and that humans are really not worse than other animals..we are just a lot more competent than them and hence have caused a lot more harm. Even eradication of all life on this planet as “evil” by AI won’t work for evil is figuratively written into the very laws of nature. No organism on any planet or AI can escape from it.

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  98. @Audacious Epigone

    blacks are very modestly inching towards the GOP while Asians and Hispanics are becoming more Democrat.

    Source

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  99. @BengaliCanadianDude

    Doesn’t matter. Don’t continue to pretend that this actually fits into a moral narrative.

    What I do know is that Mongols were respected precisely because they were so destructive and their descendants Hazaras aren’t precisely because they aren’t.

  100. @BengaliCanadianDude

    The Italians, Croatians, Russians, Polaks, Irish, Ukrainians, Slovaks, Chinese all came as immigrants.

    That’s fine; but none of them are old stock Canadians. I prefer white immigrants to non-whites immigrants, but unless you’re English, French, Irish or Scottish, you’re not old stock. I believe allowing non-old stock Canadians was our first large mistake.

  101. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    “they’re all sluts”

    B-but but they are, Francois!

    Especially the white ones.

    Interestingly enough, MOST ESPECIALLY the Frenchies.

    DUnno why.

    They are quite easy to get, even when they are stone cold sober.

  102. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    Interestingly enough, I made the reference to the old stock part in another comment. Also, many Irishmen came at a later point as well

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  103. @EastKekistani

    That’s all fine and dandy, however, I think you may have replied to the wrong comment

  104. @BengaliCanadianDude

    Dude, I think I have told you what works. There is no justice in the universe. If you want territories go conquer them..my ancestors killed many Austronesians in Taiwan hence they became the legitimate owners of the island. On the othet hand they did not kill Austronesians in Malaya and the Philippines, hence their presence there was and is illegitimate and they can be killed at any time.

    Genocidaires > Conquerors / Invaders > Illegal settlers (almost the same as) Natives > Legal settlers > Conquered peoples > Slaves. Men > Women.

    Why don’t people cry for justice for Neanderthals? Because they were exterminated. Why do people cry for justice for Armenians in WWI? Precisely because Armenians still exist.

  105. 216 says:
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    I’m very young. I plan on getting married. I’m also not the one bashing all women and moaning about how “they’re all sluts”. I’ll find a good one no doubt.

    In the interest of good manners, I don’t use the above slur, nor its variant th*ot.

    The phrase “man up and marry those sluts” appears to have originated on the Dalrock blog, as a way of countering certain pastors that tried to encourage men to marry single mothers.

    https://dalrock.wordpress.com/

    Do my repeated posts about how the Right needs to be nicer to women go right over your head?

    Having white children is our #1 priority.

    That’s a decision that rests entirely in female hands. We can do very little about that absent the use of state power.

    I encourage men to be patient and less thirsty. That’s the best course of action, men have a longer fertility window than women.

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
  106. @BengaliCanadianDude

    The white liberal woman will though.

    Liberal white women are a huge problem. Usually this stems from weak husbands (or no husband) unwilling to call them out. They will literally bow down to any negro.

    I’ve said this in the past, the whites and Indians are chill with each other

    Yes, they’re chill with whites as long as the white guy is a naive, colour blind idiot willing to look the other way while the Indians take over the country. I get along well with them, and usually agree with them when talking about social issues and some economic issues. But when it comes to immigration they are all in favour of wide-open borders. Which unfortunately means treason against the white race.

    Funny story, I had dinner at an Indian friends house on Friday night LOL. He hasn’t seen my Unz post history I’m assuming.

    I think I would get along just fine if the country was taking in a reasonable number of Indians (ie. not 200,000 per year), and if the white liberals and Jews weren’t radicalizing them all to hate whitey.

    Also the 2nd generation Indians are much worse in their whitey-hating and Drake-worship than the FOB ones are. FOB ones and I usually come to an unspoken mutual understanding about our positions at least, while the 2nd gen ones are full-tilt anti white and talk like negroes.

    Most of the world is

    I know lol, it’s hilarious talking to white liberals (or any normies) who seem to be under the view that anti-black racism is uniquely a white man’s sin. I try to tell them that whites are actually alien in the world with the crazy idea that blacks are equal to them. But it won’t go through their heads. They tell me I’m racist because I don’t have enough black friends and I don’t support diversity; if I just knew more non-whites I’d open my mind. In fact it’s the exact opposite. I guess they’ll just have to figure things out on their own…

    we could even that out a bit better though not gonna lie lol

    That’s why I included the mandatory white quota, I know you guys can do better than 35% lol, through nepotism and only hiring other Indians. We need to guard against that hence I included the 45% white quota. Pretty high for Toronto and the GTA.

  107. @Audacious Epigone

    I think certain websites such as n-wordmania and SBPDL are doing a good job. Values shared by non-blacks or at least most non-blacks such as education and hard work should be emphasized so does the genetic difference between blacks and non-blacks. We can emphasize that by stating that non-blacks are a subspecies (maybe we should use “Eurasians” and colloquially “(Africa) Leavers” or “(Africa) Ditchers”) while blacks are several other subspecies. The Ditcher identity needs to be emphasized and we can assign positive traits to Ditchers and maybe even say that they are traits shared by the pioneers who first explored Eurasia such as hard work, intelligence and low time preference. We can claim that the degenerate and slow life in SSA was too boring and oppressive for our ancestors hence they bravely ditched Africa.

    We need to emphasize that our shared ancestors (excluding Australoids) left Africa together. Maybe we can eventually hold annual “Ditch Africa festivals” where Ditchers sail accross a lake that symbolizes the Red Sea and reach “Eurasia”.

    • Agree: BengaliCanadianDude
    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  108. @216

    Wow, the mighty Dalrock has spoken. Glad that summarizes the “Right’s” position that we should be marrying single mothers.

    The “Right” doesn’t need to be “nicer” to women. Nice is just a fake boomer emotion that they use to replace the kind of meaningful emotions that they don’t feel. Men need to be stronger and more respectable.

    A woman wants kids when she falls in love with a strong and respectable man. Men lead and shape women.

    • Replies: @216
  109. 216 says:
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    You cannot out-beta the State.

    Most men are not alpha, and you cannot out-alpha indefinitely.

    Wow, the mighty Dalrock has spoken.

    It’s a very informative blog on this subject.

  110. @BengaliCanadianDude

    Yeh, you’re slaying white pussy every weekend I’m assuming? That’s why you’re posting on UNZ on a Saturday night. I thought you’d rather be out getting a qt 3.14 French fille.

    Many of them are, but the quality ones aren’t, and you wouldn’t see them at the club necessarily. Notice that all the thots are usually below a 6/10.

    As far as French girls go, it’s a different culture that I don’t feel like explaining. It’s different than the pathological whoring the Anglo girls do. But if you are actually sleeping with French girls I’d be shocked. They usually won’t even look at a brown guy.

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  111. @BengaliCanadianDude

    Canadian Old Stock is based. You see pockets of the Anglos in Toronto (the 416, south of the 401 between Mississauga and Scarborough), then all through SW-Ontario (Irish), and Eastern/Northern Ontario (Scottish, Irish and French), Quebec with the French obviously and the Maritimes with the Irish again. That’s the real Canada. The Toronto Anglos are pretty gay but the rest aren’t.

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  112. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    That’s why you’re posting on UNZ on a Saturday night

    It’s Ramadhan and this big boy is fasting. Have some respect, mademoiselle.

    Yeh, you’re slaying white pussy every weekend I’m assuming

    I’m not a manslut, but sort of, but it’s ramadhan.

    3.14

    Why that number in particular?

    They usually won’t even look at a brown guy.

    (X) Doubt

    all the thots are usually below a 6/10.

    The thots. The good ones though….

    but the quality ones aren’t

    Mera bhai, they are as well. Maybe it’s because I am exotic I dunno

    Look PAL, don’t take it so personally. Just my personal thoughts. I wouldn’t be able to explain it to you anyways. You would need to be within 1 SD of my IQ, so you would need at least an 185.

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  113. ZOGged says:
    @EastKekistani

    Not really. We only bash them from time to time while they actually murder our people.

    Huh what a pansy. A riot in the 60s and you get shit scarred. Try being a Christian or a sufi in Pakistan or an observant Muslim in the more right wing parts of India and see how much violence and intimidation and coercion you see!

    What? Lmao. That’s funny. So you believe that Malaysia is better than China?

    Between China where big brother is never too far or restrained and Malaysia where unless you don’t shout from the rooftops about Islam, then you’d be left alone, I’d pick Malaysia any day. I’ve been to both so I know.

    It is a natural reaction to racial violence.

    The Chinese in Malaysia wear the most teeny weeny clothes I’ve ever seen in any Muslim majority country [try doing that in Muslim majority Pakistan or Hindu India and see how far you’ll last unscathed], there are swanky restaurants openly advertising about juicy pork chops (how many good restaurants serve pork in Pakistan? I couldn’t find one decent joint outside of five-star restaurants selling a beef burger to satisfy my craving when I went for business to Delhi), Chinese landlords openly discriminate against Malays in their own country when it comes to their apartments [like their brethren in Hongcouver where non Chinese and even ethnic canadians are finding it increasingly difficult to purchase an affordable roof over their head; try doing that in Muslim Pakistan or Hindu India and see how far you go]. Many Chinese malaysians behave very arrogantly with all that money gone to their heads.

    Heck, I see the Malaysian Chinese driving the biggest cars, living in some of the most swankiest condos and seem to have the most money! I see the Chinese living the good life in Malaysia more so then they’d do back home. Chinese Christians and Muslims are constantly monitored and restrained and face a lot of government interference in the main land, whereas no such thing seems to exist in Malaysia. I even saw a hoarding of a Chinese Buddhist temple that openly forbade Muslims from trying to enter the temple [again try that in Pakistan or India and see how far you’ll go].

    This time around there are more non Malays in the malaysian parliament then malays; is this possible in Han China or Muslim pakistan or Hindu India? On top of that, the overall ethics quotient of the Malays and even the Malaysian Chinese is way way better than China where many many companies have had their IP stolen and then re-worked (and enhanced) to create competition, not just in China but abroad too. And apparently the government seems to encourage such rampant fraud [our company moved out the entire R & D dept from Shenzhen to Malaysia; so did Motorola, so did Ericsson and many others].

    SO all in all, when given the choice between authoritarian [and IP stealing] China and Malaysia, I would pick Malaysia any day. The Chinese are becoming a menace in the west as much as the sneaky subcons and wish you’d stay in your own countries. Birth tourism is as big with the Chinese as the H1B/L1 scam [and the resulting chain migration] is with the dot Indians. You guys are corrupting the high trust culture of the west at the top just as the Mexicans are doing it at the bottom. United states of MexChindia here we come!

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  114. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    Quebec with the French obviously and the Maritimes with the Irish again

    They are so “based” they need to subsidized by the “gay Toronto anglos”, and the browns and yellows. Shameful. Sad! Pay your own way! Stop always getting in the way of pipelines. Stop taking Toronto’s money. We pay into it( I live in the GTA, wont say which city) and we suffer.

    • Replies: @216
    , @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
  115. @ZOGged

    dot Indians

    Dude, the Indian Diaspora is only about 51 percent Hindu.

  116. 216 says:
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    Dot, as contrasted with feather

    In Canada the term “Indians” as referring to Amerinds is a perjorative. The politically correct term you use is First Nations, which never caught on in the US.

    Otherwise the normal term is “South Asians”, which in America does not apply to Pakistanis, but does apply to them in the UK.

  117. 216 says:
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    This isn’t my lane, but I will note that urbane intolerance of the surrounding rural areas is a major fault line in the US. Particularly egregious is the relationship with Chicago towards Downstate Illinois.

    Sadly, New York, Michigan and Minnesota are also hostile to your pipelines. Otherwise you could bypass Quebec.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
  118. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    Also the 2nd generation Indians are much worse in their whitey-hating and Drake-worship than the FOB ones are. FOB ones and I usually come to an unspoken mutual understanding about our positions at least, while the 2nd gen ones are full-tilt anti white and talk like negroes.

    We’ve been over this, it’s not that common. SEAs and Arabs and latinos do it more. Buh Gawd

    Which unfortunately means treason against the white race.

    I’ve always admired you for your subtlety….

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
  119. @BengaliCanadianDude

    —————> (The point)

    🙂 (Your head)

    Sad that Canada is now so PC you’ve never heard most of the good phrases.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
  120. @BengaliCanadianDude

    Allow me to explain.

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  121. @216

    South Asians include Bangladeshis, Sri Lankas, Nepali(?), and Indians. Our people may have contempt for each other in the “old country” however we are friends in Canada and the US. Pretty sure it does though

    • Replies: @ZOGged
  122. @BengaliCanadianDude

    Comment 95:

    I don’t pray, I don’t follow the dietary restrictions nor do I adhere to many things.

    Very holy of you to avoid smashing white girls over Ramadana-Ding-Dong, though.

    Why that number in particular?

    If your IQ was 200 you should be able to figure this out. 😉

    they are as well

    They’re filthy whores. Most Torontonians are like that. That said, I don’t believe you. The most common complaint among brown people is that nobody finds them attractive. So either you’re the 1% ultra chad (unlikely) or you’re full of it.

  123. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    I know what the word dothead entails Pierre.

    I am in agreement with him.

    Fine detail that he glossed over

  124. @BengaliCanadianDude

    Lul, that’s because you’re eternally cucked by the Chad Francophone.

    It’s the ultimate cuck move. Watch your tax money get sent to Quebec as equalization payments. Then watch as Quebec refuses to give government services to people wearing hijabs and turbans, and bans them from any public sector job.

    As an oppressed minority, Francophones can’t be rayciss. Now bow down to your kings. Gay Toronto Anglos invited all the non-whites into this country but we aren’t going to be cleaning up their mess for them.

    As far as the pipeline goes… I totally agree. Build the fucking pipelines. To be fair Toronto is very anti-pipeline too.

  125. The most common complaint among brown people

    Eh I wouldn’t say I’m an Ultra chad. I have to rely on my humour. Ain’t that great? I have to work hard. I’m ok though. Think I mentioned, I’m also pretty light skinned. Helps…?

    complaint among brown people is that nobody finds them attractive

    Wait no. We complain about other things more. Like the insane car insurance rates in Brampton LMAOO. Highest in Canada. we can’t drive. I can’t and I have refused to. I use public transit. I have a fear in the back of my head…very dehabilitating….

    We complain about other things more to be quite honest…

    Very holy of you to avoid smashing white girls over Ramadana-Ding-Dong, though

    Thank you. I try. It’s one month. Not too bad. Things change afterwards.

    1%

    What’s with you and your small numbers? Bruuuuh….It’s bigger than that.

    WHen I ask for open bobs I get em 😉

  126. @BengaliCanadianDude

    We’ve been over this, it’s not that common. SEAs and Arabs and latinos do it more.

    They embrace it whole-heartedly. The brown people seem to be torn between the whites and the non-whites. I guess they are raised well enough to know it’s wrong. On the other hand the social pressure is strong to not act too “white”. Sadly many 2nd generation people seem like that, lost souls with no culture and unsure how to act.

    I’ve always admired you for your subtlety

    No point wasting time being indirect

  127. @EastKekistani

    why macho Pakistanis sometimes mock you Bengalis

    Bruh we’re on good terms with the Punjabis, and the Sindhis. They don’t say this stuff not to the extent you’re claiming at least.

  128. @BengaliCanadianDude

    Just please refrain from having any children, but especially not with a white woman. Indian fertility in Ontario is already lower than white rural fertility.

    we can’t drive. I can’t and I have refused to. I use public transit.

    another cuck move

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  129. @216

    Sadly, New York, Michigan and Minnesota are also hostile to your pipelines

    Minnesota needs to join the Confederacy. But we need to do it in a way so that we can leave the Somalis in the US. We have enough in Toronto, thank you very much.

    The French always cause a damn racket whenever we talk about a pipeline. Useless baguettes. I’d kick them out, but their women…

    • Replies: @216
  130. @BengaliCanadianDude

    AE: I’ll stop the memes. But those were necessary, sir, you must understand. A great many posting careers are dependent on it!

  131. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    Just please refrain from having any children

    hehehehe

    especially not with a white woman

    Jewish hand rubbing intensifies

    Oh god no. I’m not a race traitor. I would never breed with a whitey. Or maybe 😉

    another cuck move

    No u x2

  132. @Daniel Chieh

    You sure you’re not a Hongcouverite?

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  133. 216 says:
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dakota_War_of_1862

    This is an aspect of US history they don’t teach. Lots of Amerinds supported the Confederacy.

    Minnesota tends to elect some of the worst liberal pols in the US.

    I wish the Somalis would go back when the war is over, but I respect the fact that they alone formed a de-facto labor union at an Amazon warehouse. No one else in the US has ever forced Amazon to the bargaining table.

  134. @BengaliCanadianDude and @UrbaneFrancoCanadian are essentially having a good old sexual conflict.

    Sexuality and reproduction are curious additions to the eternally screwed universe…I’m really not sure what the long-term consequences of such mechanisms are..

  135. @BengaliCanadianDude

    Ah, so you don’t lift. That’s understandable and expected given that South Asians are on average, the weakest men in the world.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
  136. ZOGged says:
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    How does that negate the fact about H1B/L1 and whatever the heck exists [the entire alphabet soup of visas]?

    They always ALWAYS seem to find a loop hole and exploit it until it becomes a festering sore on the body politic. One of the crown Jewels of the American industry [tech and IT] are now literal fiefdoms commanded by an army of dot robots and their H4 wives, with their cousins from stick-it-pally and hydra-bad waiting on the sidelines for their manager brother in law to create some “openings” for them [usually done by firing the non Indian staff for “non-competence”] and then conducting fake interviews where the outcome is pre-decided [the manager’s cousin or brother in law is to get that position].

    I’m afraid as the subcon diaspora moves into accounting, the same sh** is gonna happen there. Then it’ll be truck driving [seems tthe sihks are cornering that market in Canuckland already]. By the time the rest realize what struck them, it’s already too late [and perfectly legal] for anyone to do anything about it

    • Agree: Daniel Chieh
    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
  137. @ZOGged

    That’s all fine and well, but please….

    Not all of us are dotheads…..

    SOme of us even wear turbans and toupee…..some wear crosses….

    Is all…….

    Funnily enough..there may not be a city named stickitpally, but there is a city named Hyderabad LOOL

    I meant to say…

    Merci Beaucoup

  138. @Daniel Chieh

    What. Why are we talking about grip strength?

    I’ll have to psot links in the morning

    So you are a hongcouverite…

    That explains all the semi-autistic memes,and the highly detestable attitudes

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  139. @BengaliCanadianDude

    Ah, it seems that the sharpness of your wits is equal to that of the strength of your thews.

  140. @Arclight

    That’s an excellent idea. Most students attend college in fact not to learn an employable skill, but to gain entrance to the middle class, i.e., social climbing. If their colleges were on the hook for any loans extended, half of today’s college students would be expelled tomorrow n would go to work, competing directly with tens of millions of no-skill or illegal immigrants. You can be sure a wall would promptly be built if the children of half the middle class were suddenly competing with lower class immigrants for low pay jobs.

    Many professional schools would also shut down or be forced to lower their tuition n raise entry requirements. For example, there are over 2 million lawyers in the US, 90% more than are needed. Half of law school grads never practice law. Many of the rest give up attempting to practice within 5 years because the market just isn’t there. If law schools were on the hook for their students’ loans, which are typically enormous, these schools would immediately expel 90% of their students n most law schools would have to close down, as they should. Medical, dental, veterenary, architectural, n many other professional schools would also lose substantial proportions of their students since only the richest can afford to pay their own way in these schools. But these schools at least have an actual demand for their graduates, so they should continue to issue loans.

    One thing i don’t see noted in the comments: a few decades ago it was allowable for ANY student to simply file bankruptcy after graduating. This was common n routine. But some time back this option was removed. If BK was restored as a legal option, then students would no longer be saddled with unpayable debt when they graduate. One of the reasons it was removed was because so many students were taking unemployable majors in college, so the powers that be decided that if they wanted to take basket-weaving, let them, but make them pay for it. Letting the schools be liable for loans extended to students taking non-employable majors would be a further step in the right direction. If students want to take psychology or basket-weaving (is there really a difference?), let them get their degree in Liberia or Venezuela.

  141. @EastKekistani

    Yes, left / right, upper-class / lower-class, have little relevance any more. The political poles today are globalist / nationalist, which really means the One-World Equatorial Immigration Network vs. the various hold-outs that want to preserve ethnic n national reservoirs in temperate climates, ‘White Nationalists’ for short. For those who still live under a rock: the population of Egypt has increased from 6 million in 1900 to 101 million today. The population of Pakistan has increased from around 10 million in 1900 to 205 million today. All equatorial regions show similar growth.

    ‘Social conservative’ has also become a meaningless term. In Gorsuch’s words, which I suspect will one day became famous (or infamous), in response to those seeking to challenge disastrous Supreme Court decisions that have strongly contributed to this mess: “That has all been settled.” Attitudes like that guarantee that no one will turn the steering wheel of the bus as it prepares to run over the cliff. There is nothing conservative about letting society run off a cliff.

  142. @EastKekistani

    I don’t really believe there is any solution other than the segregation-supervision idea I mentioned. Basically blacks need to live in black areas. A few selected agents will go to these areas and help them keep things from getting out of control.

    This was the prevailing view among most people of European ancestry, both rightists n leftists, up until the 1950s. In the US it was called Segregation, in South Africa it was called Apartheid, in the rest of Africa it was called the White Man’s Burden. Then the Civil Rights era arrived n made everyone mix by force. Or rather tried to. In the US, the result has been that the upper-class remains segregated, the middle class partly so, while the lower class is mostly integrated but subjected to massively high crime which is permanent n largely unreported.

    For decades, the European Left, altho globalist, supported the idea of the White Man’s Burden over Africa n Africans just as much as the imperialists did. Today’s Regressives conveniently forget this fact. Even many Africans regret the disappearance of European rule, recognizing that there really is no Wakanda.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    , @Feryl
  143. @Feryl

    The waning years of any ideology feature leaders who don’t recognize the changes on the horizon, and when they fail to adjust accordingly, they are judged to be failures* and eventually replaced by people who will adapt to the times.

    Replaced by which people? By the time the politicians understand what has happened, it will be too late. The people they thought they represented will be gone, replaced by hostile aliens. The water is rushing underneath the ice while the politicians see only a frozen landscape n think nothing is changing.

    • Replies: @Feryl
  144. @Audacious Epigone

    Forgot the Rwandan genocide? The Charles Taylor brutal wars in Liberia / Sierra Leone? Congo is still (as it ever was) mired in ethnic civil war. When Bantus arrived in southern Africa, they systematically genocided the Bushmen who had inhabited that area for many thousands of years. I suspect that the only reason SSAs haven’t pushed north n genocided non-blacks is because they have always been too busy killing each other.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  145. @EastKekistani

    If you want territory you should conquer it by force. If you do not use force or threaten to use force you can not get it. If you purchase it peacefully but do not deter others it isn’t actually yours.

    Actually not so. Physical force is the least effective way for a people to occupy territory. International agreement is more effective. But the most effective by far is for your people to reproduce at a greater rate than their people, n then your people migrate bringing their wives n children with them. This is colonization. In the long run only colonization works.

    Then there is the very long run. If your people have a genetic advantage over their people which confers not just temporarily greater reproduction, but a long-term survival advantage, then their people eventually go extinct leaving your people the field. This has happened a lot in history, prime example being the spread of the Indo-Europeans. I suspect something similar happened in China.

    • Replies: @Feryl
    , @Audacious Epigone
  146. @EastKekistani

    Hitler before invading the Soviet Union: “If we win, that is all anyone will remember. Who still remembers the Armenians after the Turks massacred them? No one. If we lose, then we will lose anyway n we will still be blamed for the whole war.” -David Irving. That’s a pretty close rendition.

    Something to think about.

  147. Jay Fink says:
    @Feryl

    I appreciate you adding pit bulls to your commentary. I can’t help but notice that pit bull ban repeals are the big thing right now and no cities pass bans anymore. I definitely see this as a sign of us losing our civility. Unfortunately many, many innocent people and animals will be seriously injured and die because of this.

    • Replies: @Feryl
  148. iffen says:
    @EastKekistani

    Haitian Massacre

    It is not a crime for a slave to rebel and use violence to gain freedom.

  149. @iffen

    I don’t care. When it comes to listing the crimes commited by a person or a tribe we can always find some. Even if there is none we can always make some up.

    Moreover was genocide of the entire white population in Saint-Domingue a justified response to slavery?

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @iffen
  150. @Sin City Milla

    Exactly. If Hitler won the mainstream WWII history almost everywhere would have been: “How the Fuhrer Adolf Hitler freed first the greatest nation on this planet, Germany, and then all of Europe from the genocidal Jewish cabal and their Slavic minions.”

    Here is some sample German propaganda in the United States assuming that there were still a United States:

    “Someone claimed that Jews and Slavs or at least some of them should have been spared. We agree. However their harm to humanity was way too severe and hence we couldn’t afford to take chances. Think about that: The Jew was a criminal pointing a gun at your young Aryan wife & child and the Jewbot, I mean the Russian voluntary slave of the Jew, were the gun. How would you, a proud Aryan American have done? You would have shot him, right? If this damaged his gun you wouldn’t have commited a property crime, right? This is exactly what we did. What if there was someone who dressed like a criminal but hadn’t taken his gun out yet? When almost everyone who dresses like that is a murderer we can not take chances…..”

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  151. You can easily find paid intellectuals and propagandists who can justify anything and everything for you. Hell, I’m not even a good propagandist at all but I already wrote some fictional propaganda for you…

    Face it. The universe operates according to the Law of Nature. Humans operate within it and creates the Law of Morality to make community life easier. However since the Law of Morality is artificial it doesn’t work when sufficiently large interests are at stake (i.e. “glitches of moral systems”) nor does it work without constant monitoring. So eventually the amoral Law of Nature still reigns. Both the global elites and the criminal Negroid underclass operate according to the Law of Nature while everyone else largely can not get away with violating the Law of Morality too much and ostensibly obey them.

  152. @Sin City Milla

    This was the prevailing view among most people of European ancestry, both rightists n leftists, up until the 1950s. In the US it was called Segregation, in South Africa it was called Apartheid, in the rest of Africa it was called the White Man’s Burden. Then the Civil Rights era arrived n made everyone mix by force. Or rather tried to. In the US, the result has been that the upper-class remains segregated, the middle class partly so, while the lower class is mostly integrated but subjected to massively high crime which is permanent n largely unreported.

    Exactly.

    For decades, the European Left, altho globalist, supported the idea of the White Man’s Burden over Africa n Africans just as much as the imperialists did. Today’s Regressives conveniently forget this fact. Even many Africans regret the disappearance of European rule, recognizing that there really is no Wakanda.

    You can not do away with either segregation or supervision. Even SJWs have to keep supervising Negroids. If China takes SSA one day we will have to basically do the same. There are SJW-like people of either Confucian, Communist or (a few Western-educated) SJ kind who wants to educate “da poor Africans”. Well, this is exactly what supervision is. Isn’t what China does in Africa today supervision? Of course it is. We just do a part of the job. Negroids are still supervised. They just get even more teams of supervisors.

  153. Feryl says:
    @Political and Psychological Junkie

    Your kidding, right?

    The Religious Right dominated the culture of the 80’s and early 90’s. Any familiarity with that time period would tell you that. You didn’t have to “talk to” anyone to get the picture; heavy metal was Satanic, Dungeons and Dragons was Satanic, there were diabolical child abusers living in every town, etc. This was mainstream thought that everyone heard when they turned on the TV or radio.

    The Religious Right managed to alienate most people of an entire generation (Gen X) from being more devoutly religious, since they got the impression that most “Christians” were paranoid and judgemental assholes. And like I said above, since indicators of good behavior and quality of life declined in the 1980’s, what do you suppose that made younger feel about the effect of the Religious Right?

    The Reaganites are full of shit. Always have been, always will be. The long term effects of Reagan’s econ. policies are still haunting us to this day. Throwing trillions of dollars down the Pentagon rat-hole (in the absence of credible and imminent danger to this country that we didn’t provoke) destroyed this country’s budget and resource priorities (we throw craploads of money at out-dated or innefective vehicles and weapon systems, meanwhile China manufactures the majority of non-military goods and exports them to an America that has totally decimated it’s manufacturing base.

    “Globalists”? The post-1980 Religious Right is profoundly globalist in orientation (supporting wars for Israel, supporting multi-culturalism, having nothing worthwhile to say about immigration or manufacturing). New Deal America was much more localist in character, not that it stops Republicans from whining about how FDR “ruined” America.

    The post-1980 GOP is a big scam. Say the right things about cultural issues, promote abhorrently self-destructive econ. and foreign policy. Oh, and what about post-1980 Republicans not over-turning Roe V Wade, not forbidding gambling, not stopping the prescription drug crisis, not closing the border, not stopping gay “marriage”, and the like*? Republicans can’t do the good things they promise to do, and they do the bad things that our decaying society comes to expect (like off-shoring jobs, promoting monopolies and de-regulation, not protecting worker’s rights, and the like).

    *When the Democrats were the dominant party in the late 1930’s-early 1970’s, society did much more vice control.

    Hey-ho, neo-liberalism has to go.

  154. iffen says:
    @EastKekistani

    Mistakes can be made in times of crises.

    Wasn’t that more merciful than what is taking place in SA?

  155. Young males are absorbing the Anti White Male / Anti Western public school curriculum promoted by all of their “team” teachers in unison (by requirement). They are simultaneously dodging peers immersed in the fashion of outdoing each other in rejecting all that is white & male. It is not surprising that white males react against all of the hate coming their way.

    But it’s a long time until they start voting in any big numbers.

    Although the cultural decay was well underway in the Eighties, the anti-white-male thing was not yet in full vogue. When I was a teenager, it was in its nascent stages. I remember when the trend for straight men to wear an earring first surfaced. In the South, it happened in the mid Eighties, and although there was a big backlash against it, the trend still took. Pretty soon, even the most popular, straight jocks all sported a big, obligatory earring.

  156. Feryl says:
    @SunBakedSuburb

    Money talks. The corporate “Right” has actually done more to promote diversity happy talk than anyone else has. Back when it was primarily Leftists talking up diversity in the 60’s and 70’s, we had less immigration and political correctness. Once the Right adopted multi-culturalism in the 1980’s, that’s when immigration surged and people started to have to watch their tongue.

    Basically, since the Right always can be relied on to encourage money making, we had a serious problem once promoting diversity became associated with corporate profits in the 1980’s.

    And as always, don’t look at rhetoric, look at results: “Conservative” 1980’s America was far more PC and pro-immigrant than the 1930’s-1970’s. Cesar Chavez was amenable to mainstream Leftists in the early 1970’s, but would’ve been castigated as an evil bigot by the corporate Right in the post-1980 period (cuz immigrants are just hard workers looking for a better life, not pawns abused by greedy business owners).

    The sad fact is that in America, the “conservatives”, on a baseline and superficial level, are supposed to be the ones promoting stability and “liberty”. But time and time again, in the absence of Leftist protections of the vulnerable, greedy assholes can pay lip service to conservatism while ruining this country.

    The dissident Right makes up only around 15-20% of the population, alas, so we’re just pissing into the wind when it comes to our warnings about corporate greed and hypocrisy (and the typical Leftist can probably remember parents and friends warning them that the private sector can do just as much damage, and maybe more damage, than the public sector. And since Boomers came age hearing constantly about the horrors of fascism and Soviet communism, they’ve been deluded into believing that corporate greed driven neo-liberalism is vastly preferable (even though neo-liberalism is destroying our traditional culture and demographics).

  157. Feryl says:
    @Jay Fink

    Wikipedia has lists of fatal dog attacks, and it wasn’t a problem until the 80’s. Interestingly, signs of “urban” decay and dysfunction were all really bad in the 80’s and early 90’s, but some of them (crime especially) have improved over the last 25 years, while others (dangerous dog ownership) are probably worse now than they’ve ever been.

    I’d also add that irresponsible pet ownership in general has gotten markedly worse over the last 40 years, probably because Boomers and Gen X-ers are just continuing to show the same indifference toward behavioral standards that made them responsible for the record high crime rates of the late 70’s-early 90’s*. And these generations failed to teach their kids some important standards regarding things like pet ownership.

    *Signs of decay weren’t that bad in the 60’s and early 70’s because of the influence of GIs and Silents; this country’s descent into decadence that began around the Jimmy Carter era can be largely traced to Boomers beginning to move up in the institutional ranks; with each passing decade, standards of integrity just seem to get worse.

  158. Feryl says:
    @Sin City Milla

    “Actually not so. Physical force is the least effective way for a people to occupy territory. International agreement is more effective. But the most effective by far is for your people to reproduce at a greater rate than their people, n then your people migrate bringing their wives n children with them. This is colonization. In the long run only colonization works. ”

    Don’t forget culturally marginalizing certain groups, as well. The current effort to play up non-whites and women by having them take over many character roles once reserved for white guys comes to mind. They want more white women to racially mix, or simply not have kids altogether (because strong women don’t need men). Compare that to the New Deal era, when mid 1960’s Star Trek featured one of the very few inter-racial kisses that had been seen in popular visual media of the post-1930 era.

  159. Feryl says:
    @Sin City Milla

    ” The water is rushing underneath the ice while the politicians see only a frozen landscape n think nothing is changing.”

    We’re in a transition period. During these times, a lot of elites/leaders will often seem flat-footed and naively rigid. A lot of New Dealers came to be resented in the 70’s and early 80’s, for supposedly not being in touch with “modern trends” (the new era impatiently waiting to began); by the late 80’s we were firmly in the Neo-liberal era and almost every New Dealer either retired or changed their ideology.

    Similary, Social Darwinist die-hards came to be hated in the early 20th century for not adapting to the times.

    America thus far has gone through a number of different ideological cycles in the absence of ethnic continuity. The number, and character, of immigrants, the power given to Indians/blacks/Mexicans, the power balance between the North, South, East, and West, all of these things have fluctuated a lot. And yet no ideological era lasts for more than 50 or so years. Notably, many people die after they reach the age of about 50; thus, one could argue that the New Deal era remained durable as long as GIs were the dominant voting bloc; by 1980, Silents were verging on becoming the dominant voter bloc, and they along with the Boomers rejected New Dealism in the 80’s.

    Nowadays, a lot of Boomers who were alive in say, 2010, have since passed. Accordingly, Gen X (whose oldest members are now in their mid 50’s) and Millennials are eager to surpass the electoral and cultural clout of the Boomers, so that we can finally throw neo-liberalism in history’s dust-bin.

  160. Feryl says:
    @Sin City Milla

    Crime rose swiftly in the late 60’s when the mid-late period Boomers came of age (they didn’t respect authority or rules), remained high into the early-mid 90’s (when Gen X was young), but has since declined due to Millennials and Gen Z. That being said, our culture is much more fragmented and frankly crazy than it was in say, 1963. So modern crime rates are still higher than what they were in the 1940’s-mid 1960’s. This is America’s experience, anyway; the timing of these cycles is slightly different in other countries (Britain, for example, didn’t start to see a decline in crime until the early 2000’s).

  161. Feryl says:
    @Anon

    Thanks for the summary. Every one those things was a nail in the coffin.

  162. Feryl says:
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    Europeans have been disengaging from “colonialism” since the 1970’s, e.g., they act embarrassed that their ancestors “stole” things in order to benefit themselves. Recent generations of whites have done little to nothing of accomplishment themselves. In fact, they’ve essentially been demographically and culturally immolating themselves.

    The thing is, that just leaves a vacuum of strength/ambition that other ethnic groups are trying to fill. In the great tribal war that is human history, people don’t play fair, they play to win. So yeah, Somalis etc. are always rhetorically tearing whites a new one, even as said Somalis benefit from the technology and other resources created by and provided mostly by whites.

  163. Feryl says:
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    FOBs tend to be rather intelligent, hard working, and honest. But their descendants generally regress to the ethnic mean, for better or for worse (So you’d rather have Swedes than Somalis, and you’d rather have Japanese than Hmong).

    “Ice people” from Europe and North Asia are the most smart and productive. “Desert” people (MENA and much of Western Asia), SE Asians, and partially white brown/red people from Anglo-America and Latin America are the middle tier. Bottom tier are tropical Islanders, Sub-Saharan Africans, Australian aborigines, and full-blooded “native” Americans from the New World.

    The only conceivable way to stop regression to the (mediocre or poor) mean among certain groups is by heavy mixing with other ethnic groups, or by generations of eugenic encouragement. Among the bottom tier groups, there would be a lot of difficulty in doing this sort of thing; as South African whites and American whites are all too aware.

  164. Feryl says:
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    In America, Teutonic and Slavic whites certainly haven’t made the Northeast, Western, and Midwestern states any worse than they would’ve been under British/Celtic/French whites. The effects of the Italian mafia and Jewish cultural Marxists/chickenhawks (military service for thee, but not for me) upon America speaks for itself. That being said, there’s something to the idea of a country running low on resources, and the present inhabitants finding any sort of newcomer an unwelcome competitor.

  165. anon[316] • Disclaimer says:
    @Audacious Epigone

    get a student loan for some field like IT, get your education, skip the country and change your name

    profit

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
  166. anon[316] • Disclaimer says:

    OT, perhaps related:

    a YouTuber by the handle ChuckE2009 who had 500k subs and was making over $100k per year decided to start naming (((who))) and what are behind the problems in the U.S.

    expects his channel to be deleted soon

    seems like a lot of normies are getting the message of the Alt-Right

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  167. anon[316] • Disclaimer says:
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    I think I would get along just fine if the country was taking in a reasonable number of Indians (ie. not 200,000 per year)

    why?

    we don’t need any

    you started negotiating on your own 5-yard line, just like the jews wanted

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
  168. @Feryl

    They want more white women to racially mix, or simply not have kids altogether

    Your previous comments suggested that the pro diversity, pro immigration was all right wingers trying to amp up corporate profits.

    If that were the case, why would they want *fewer* white people? It seems to me that having more people in general is good for profits, plus whites are likely to be at least middle class, meaning more profit from a white than a mulatto.

    Seems to me that this points to the white genocide theory as opposed to the “purely economic” theory. There’s no way that a growing population of white people is bad for an economy.

    • Replies: @Feryl
    , @Audacious Epigone
  169. @anon

    I never said we needed any. I simply said that I get along on a personal level with most Indian people. I think they could assimilate fine in small numbers.

    But ideally whites have a high birth rate and we don’t bring in any.

    • Replies: @Feryl
    , @anon
  170. @Feryl

    How dare you lump South Asians with the Hispanics…

    Grossly inaccurate in terms of criminality, welfare usage, taxes…..

    Very different…

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    , @Feryl
  171. @Feryl

    LOL. I think you might be interested in Kang Youwei’s Da Tong Shu. He claimas that there are white, yellow, brown and black people. The lighter the skin color the better. Yellow and brown people need to be gradually whitened through race mixing so that everyone will eventually be equally good. Blacks on the other hand simply need to disappear from this planet through sterilization.

    Of course I disagree with him because NE Asians are already good and hence don’t need race mixing for the purpose of racial improvement. He wrote the book when China was absurdly broken (but still not colonized or something lmao unless you count a few cities such as Hong Kong).

    But yes something needs to be done about Africans and abos. Segregation-supervision is a must.

  172. @BengaliCanadianDude

    I know the difference. It sucks to be you because when we say “tropicality” or “browness” you may feel insulted. But yeah it is really not aimed at you guys. I do personally throw these two words around a lot because I need a shorthand for “Negroids, Australoids, Negritos, Amerinds, Pacific Islanders and SEAs”. That’s just way too long.

  173. @BengaliCanadianDude

    Well, as long as they do better than most blacks I will definitely continue to back Igbos at least in SSA. You don’t want to exterminate blacks, do you? Nor do I. So we have to figure out how to coexist with them in the universe while minimizing their damage. I would rather have educated Igbos rule over them with our assistance than let Congolese spread Ebola everywhere. At least southern Nigerians have some native industries and have proven themselves capable of controlling Ebola with heavy Ditcher assistance.

    I have dealt with Igbos and Yorubas before. At least they are more competent than American blacks.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
  174. Feryl says:
    @216

    The corruption of the Abramoff scandal also tarred them, along with the Schaivo incident.

    If that didn’t end the (sanctimonious and self-defeating) culture wars, I dunno what else would’ve. Currently we don’t have a “culture war” as much as we have an “identity” war. The \neo-liberal era culture war was predicated on affluent Silents and Boomers having the luxury of ignoring econ. issues (The last presidential debates to heavily focus on economic rather than moral or sentimental issues was the ’92 debates featuring 1924 born GHW Bush and very early Silent Perot, but many Boomers yawned and would’ve rather heard about abortion and guns*). Since X-ers and later generations don’t like moralistic one-upmanship, but instead are more conscious of resources and how we battle over them, there’s been a resurgence in tribalism.

    *The culture wars were individualistic and preening, and dominated by Boomers. Tribalism by default is collectivist and oriented to achieving goals for all concerned, not just fluffing up the egos of the biggest loudmouths and “winners”.

  175. Anon[353] • Disclaimer says: • Website

    Maybe those white males saw too many white females go this way.

    The West now promotes the behavior of savages as the New Normal.

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/5AaByxyb0uE/

    • Replies: @Feryl
  176. Feryl says:
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    Because political correctness is stupid and corrosive, we can’t assume that it’s enforcers actually understand the implications/long-term effects of decades of anti-white PC.

    The whites/Asians/talented 10th of lower skilled groups who run Western institutions are vaguely aware that some groups just don’t measure up no matter how hard we try to “help” them, but they figure with the right sort of “finesse” we can all be the interchangeable units/commodities that globalism/neo-liberalism has been yearning for since the 80’s.

    Your previous comments suggested that the pro diversity, pro immigration was all right wingers trying to amp up corporate profits.

    It was initially the Left-wing that de-sensitized people to “weird’” ideas (like letting in lots of aliens), however it is the (conservative leaning) business owner/shareholder class which has the money to really shape society. The 1960’s and 70’s were an ideologically unsettled time period, where a relative handful of Leftists/youngsters started to act as if radically transforming society was a good idea. But society was still run primarily by New Dealers (social conservatives, economic liberals) who wanted to protect the vulnerable from an onslaught of cheap labor and the greedy business owners who relish it. In the 1980’s, the “conservative” business class was allowed to began making large gains at the expense of labor (and cultural stability), and thus suddenly it was no longer “respectable” to say derogatory things about immigrants (and post-1980 conservatives began to say a lot of highly inflammatory things about unions and white/black Americans, who were held to be lazy and ungrateful vis a vis “hard working” immigrants).

    New Dealer cultural/economic elites respected the “xenophobia” of ordinary American in the 1930’s-1970’s, that’s why it was ok to talk trash about foreigners back then. Not until the 1980’s did corporate America decide to start slapping people around for noticing that America was descending into chaos due to greedy assholes. In fact, the 1950’s-1970’s were a high point of people being comfortable discussing, well, uncomfortable topics, and respecting the dignity of the average person’s belief and experience. SJW terrorism didn’t really began to be a factor until the late 80’s (when stuff like the invisible knapsack of privilege appeared), and the reason it became such a problem was because “diversity” had to be protected so as not to threaten corporate profits/neo-liberalism. Neo-liberal elites chose to jettison every last aspect of “xenophobic” New Deal America, but instead of admitting that it was financially driven they instead bullshitted about the cultural joys of diversity.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  177. Feryl says:
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    I say that letting in a certain group is permissible as long as the importing country gets to send an equal number of people to the exporting country. Fair trade. And the exporting country can’t be allowed to do anything to culturally marginalize the imports they get. If one country treats the new arrivals like 2nd class citizens or kicks them out, than the other country should do the same.

    • Replies: @anon
  178. Feryl says:
    @Anon

    The West excuses savagery by non-whites/non-Christians, but insists that whites and Christians lay down and passively accept their countries being swamped by aliens and low class values of poorly performing ethnic groups.

  179. @Feryl

    I think I can easily justify segregation-supervision on economic grounds. The global economy is dependent on having enough (Africa)-Ditchers (i.e. non-blacks) as both laborers and consumers because blacks are rarely competent laborers nor do they consume a lot of higher-ended products. A world in which the global working age Ditcher population in general and the global working age civilized people in particular are declining is a world in which the economy can not continue to grow which harms everyone including the Fat Cats on the Wall Street.

    That’s not even an argument I made up for propaganda. Instead I actually sincerely believe it. I do think the blackening of the world IS going to destroy the world economy, lower living standards and maybe even revert scientific and technological progress humanity has made.

    • Replies: @Feryl
  180. Feryl says:
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    I seem to recall that US Hispanics score in the low 90’s on IQ tests, which actually would put them rather close to the 1st tier ethnic groups. Western and SE Asians tend to score around, what, the late 80’s and low 90’s?

    Latin American culture is horridly corrupt and dysfunctional, as many of the countries do worse than you would expect relative to their IQ (whereas Eastern and Southern European countries often do better than you would expect relative to their IQ). It seems like the Europeans who settled Latin America were really decadent and perverted, whereas America and Canada were settled by Puritan do-gooders. A running theme on Sailer’s blog is that Anglo-American elites are horrified by how trashy Latin America culture is, to the point where nobody in America’s upper class even pretends to like it.

    Mexicans in the US do alright under the tutelage of white American culture. No great shakes, but definitely better than Mexico (California is now much safer than it was in the 80’s, because Mexicans displaced hostile blacks).

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
  181. Feryl says:
    @EastKekistani

    The undesirability of Africans is so self-evident that the European Union has to habitually threaten “xenophobes” who don’t want Africans, and do stuff like chant rude things at soccer matches.

    My take is that the neo-liberal era of shaming “xenophobes” who don’t believe that all ethnic groups are interchangeable is one that started in the 1980’s, and can’t possibly be sustained past 2030. A bad or decaying ideology can’t last more than the lifetime of one generation; you can’t keep cutting yourself and expect the bleeding to stop.

    There is going to be a lot financial and/or political instability which causes nations to “retreat” into a “shell” for protection. There could be a major war that breaks out between neo-liberal rulers and traditionalists (or perhaps between rival groups of neo-liberals/rival groups of traditionalists), which would obviously hasten the closing of borders (similar to how there was a limit to just how open the borders could be during the Cold War, even though most Western elites in the 80’s were anxious to completely throw the borders open, yet figured that ordinary people would be outraged about open borders during the Cold War, so they waited until 1992.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  182. anon[125] • Disclaimer says:
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    whites are too easy-going, too agreeable

    we need to be more like the jew – “what’s in it for me?”

  183. Feryl says:

    The current “woke” crowd of neo-libs are rank hypocrites, since they claim to oppose “intolerance” and “xenophobia”, yet demand that social conservatives be de-platformed, fired, financially blacklisted, and even physically beaten. This ultimately sends the message to social conservatives (and localists) that “individualism” and promoting “freedom” is counter-productive and powerless against the forces of collectivism.

    In other words, the neo-libs are actually undermining their own ideology by failing to live by their own code of live and let live. They were happy being individualists and cultural herbivores in the 80’s, 90’s, and 2000’s when social conservatives and anti-globalists were being routed and had a declining audience.

    Now that localism/anti-neo-liberalism is surging among working class people, the neo-libs/Corporate Right/Left are positively hysterical that the “gains” made against the nation-state over the last 40 years are on the verge of being lost. American elites began seeking more therapy after Trump was elected. “Prepping” for a doomsday was a prole thing in the 70’s-90’s, but in the Obama and esp. Trump era many elites are terrified that the accepted “values” of the Clinton and GW Bush era (globalism and multi-culturalism) are declining among working class natives, and an increasing number of “demagogues” will exploit anti-globalist sentiment.

  184. anon[125] • Disclaimer says:
    @Feryl

    this is just more of what the jew wants – mixing, mixing, mixing

    be for your own people instead

    btw re another post of yours – hispanics suck. the only non-white group worth a damn are NE Asians. The only problem is there are so many Chinese that at some point they become competitors – driving up housing prices, buying land, etc. Its great if they stay in and dominate Asia and we can just visit them and vice versa

    • Replies: @Feryl
  185. Feryl says:
    @anon

    Easy going* because they can still find food on the Wal-Mart shelves, in the countries they founded and still largely run. Once resources fall low enough, this sort of notion that whites are naive pushovers will be discredited. Small and distinct minorities like American Jews, of course, are much more defensive and anxious, since, in theory, a “demagogue” (any ruler who emphasize the traditional and native population) could pass legislation restricting the movement and activities of a minority.

    *Many whites are now much pessimistic than they were in say, the 1980’s. Recent surveys reveal that for the first time, many whites believe that they are unfairly discriminated against. Although affluent whites report being more “woke” than ever before (and indeed, Upper class whites were the only ones who heavily supported Hilary), the corollary to this is that working class whites are now more opposed to globalism (and thus, multi-culturalism) than perhaps ever before (since our borders are now more open than they’ve ever been before, and our elites are now more obssessed with LGBTQ crap than they’ve ever been before. Still, I still think we’ve got a ways to go before more whites wake up.

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
  186. Feryl says:
    @anon

    My point was that “immigrant reciprocity” would be poorly received because the only first worlders who emigrate would be the crappy ones who the other country doesn’t want, anyway. And the Global South is such a basket case (esp. the Islamic world) anyway, that they would be violently against large numbers of alien settling their countries (for hundreds and hundreds of years Muslims have been making the MENA less and less non-Muslim).

    Most countries, in most eras, do not want a substantial (demographic changing) number of aliens settling there. The current arrangement of white Western countries accepting large numbers of aliens while refusing to send their own people to Latin America, Africa, the Middle East, and Asia, is a historical aberration that will either stop or basically destroy many Western countries unless they halt the invasion (and cowardice of Western elites who refuse to recognize the blatant double standard of the neo-liberal era).

    • Replies: @ZOGged
    , @ZOGged
  187. @anon

    I agree. I always think that way.

    I don’t think you read my whole comment… I talked about how Indians get along best with the naive whites, and while I can get along decently with them about social conservative views, when it comes to immigration there’s always conflict.

    • Replies: @Oblivionrecurs
  188. @Feryl

    I dunno… are whites in South Africa doing anything?

    I honestly know alot of whites who are indifferent to the future of the race. If we all die out and get mixed with others, who cares. It’s quite sad.

    But you’re right that the anger is rising among the working class. I worked with many of them a few years ago (pre Trump) and they were already very angry at foreigners. Almost every single white working class guy was quick to vent his anger at Indians and foreigners.

    I’ve kind of lost contact with the WWC post Trump but I doubt their anger is cooling off. As H1-Bs continue to flood in, perhaps the middle class might feel the squeeze. The trouble is harnessing that anger into a coherent movement. The deplatforming, shaming, brainwashing and media bias makes it very difficult.

    You’re also right that whites aren’t always pansies like they are now… in some ways I fear that when the white anger finally boils over, things might go even too far… once the anger starts it won’t easily be appeased… the elites have no idea what they’re creating tbh. And every leftist brainwashed commie in school is also liable to snap to the far right… they’re creating a monster. Either the monster shows its fangs or whites get destroyed.

    • Replies: @Feryl
    , @Audacious Epigone
  189. AaronB says:
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    As the HBDers have been drilling into our heads for some time now, motivation and self confidence have absolutely nothing to do with performance.

    It is almost entirely genetic.

    So these white kids losing their jobs to H1B visa holders is their genetic fate.

    Nothing to see here. Move along. HBD is the philosophy that is on the side of Western culture.

  190. Feryl says:
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    When educated whites start getting pushed out of many fields by clannish “minority” groups (no thanks to affirmative action and diversity mandates), and an increasing number of politicians/CEOs/Lawyers etc. are no longer white, I think that will finally be the catalyst for upper middle class white opposition to white populism declining.

    We’re nearing the point where even the elites no longer resemble pre-1990 America.

    The tech companies “eliminating” localists can be attributed to the immigrant heavy cubicles of the tech industry. There are tons of foreigners who, for obvious reasons, are dead set against serious immigration reform and protectionism.

    Foreigners benefit from decadent economic policies, while claiming that opposition to these policies is motivated by “racism” (even though white Englishmen, or White Americans etc. would be equally opposed to any immigration policy that brought in tons of competing workers, as we once saw the Ellis Island days come to an end due to frustration with European immigrants).

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
  191. iffen says:
    @AaronB

    Don’t you have any more stanzas?

    It is almost entirely genetic.

    Yes, it is.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  192. AaronB says:
    @iffen

    Don’t you have any more stanzas

    I emphasize the important things.

    It is almost entirely genetic.

    Yes, it is.

    Yes, you are the sort of person who would believe that.

    • Replies: @iffen
  193. iffen says:
    @AaronB

    Yes, you are the sort of person who would believe that.

    Yes, and the sort of person who would believe that is me?

    • Agree: AaronB
  194. @Feryl

    From a purely practical standpoint, it makes sense that Trump is willing to trade low end immigration cuts for the status quo on H1-B and high skill immigrants (or even more immigrants).

    This is what the case has been (and still largely is) in Canada – high skilled immigrants coming in and doing some brain work, while the white working class gets rich off of servicing these new immigrants and wealthier old stock Canadians (landscaping, construction, farming, mining etc are heavily white). It certainly is much better for social harmony, but at the same time Canada also has stricter regulations on hiring/firing.

    So why should Trump fight to save the upper middle class when they all hate him? Better to let them learn their lessons, and he can fight for the working class. It’s sad that it’s come to this, but I do think many upper middle class whites are anti white racial masochists. They won’t learn until they lose their jobs.

    • Replies: @Feryl
  195. @Feryl

    Right. I just hope that we won’t have a WWIII…and certainly we shouldn’t have a WWIII over a contracting economy which is caused by the decline of the absolute number of Ice People & Indians below 45.

    That’s right. The amount of working age Ice People is DECLINING WORLDWIDE. Think about that. While GDP per capita will probably still grow the GDP will actually start to decline. This creates perpetual overcapacity. Every year the global oil demand, the global steel demand, the global aluminum demand etc will begin to DECREASE. Companies will be in a cutthroat competition over a shrinking market that shrinks every year. Every year since both demand and labor further decline more and more companies will fail. Ghost cities such as Hegang in China where housing prices fall rapidly simply because there are almost no young people left will be more and more common in NE Asia and East Europe that don’t accept mass immigration. Stock markets may crash and almost never recover for 20 years. It is going to hit almost everyone (except for Negroids in Africa?) HARD.

    Negroids are stirring up racial conflicts simply by reminding us every day how important race is because they almost always stand out like a sore thumb. No shared value for humanity works because Negroids exist, are numerous and don’t behave like us. I just wish we can popularize the idea of a Eurasian (colloquially “(Africa)-Ditcher”) subspecies so that at least among Ditchers we can promote certain shared values such as hard work and rejection of sexual promiscuity. If we can use the new Ditcher subspecies identity to shame at least some SEAs and mestizos into behaving better it will be great. Do SEAs already behave better in the West compared to in their home countries because they are misclassified as Asian and hence are expected to behave like NE Asian people? At least Filipinos do, right?

  196. @EastKekistani

    Just my experiences. I tend to heavily disagree with you on the intellectual capability and ability of these Nigerias.

  197. ZOGged says:
    @Feryl

    (and cowardice of Western elites who refuse to recognize the blatant double standard of the neo-liberal era).

    It isn’t cowardice on the part of the western (((elite))) and you know it. It is deliberate.

  198. @Feryl

    Maybe you might be remembering wrong.

    Also, they don’t bring much.

    They don’t pay the taxes, they are more liberal than South Asians, they are welfare leeches, tax burdens, welfare burdens..

    And they are far more criminal.

    Depends. SEA is different from South Asia.

    Indonesian and Malay Americans are few and far between.

    HMONG Cambodians, and many vietnamese are bad, for sure.

    Hispanics are in on way tier one.

  199. ZOGged says:
    @Feryl

    As an example of how much in-group solidarity exists in the global south, let me present an example from India [which has an extensive English language press which I follow from time to time. I use it to reciprocate the virtue signalling and what-aboutery that H1Bs engage in; is quite some fun!]

    India already has pretty strict religious conversion laws and things can and do end up in courts. Recently, the Indian government made a law that it will only accept Hindu refugees from the immediate neighborhood and bar the Muslims/Christian refugees [as these are not the local faiths in that part of the world]. SO the first batch of these refugees were meant to be re-settled in certain regions in the north east of the country. Funnily enough, the other Hindus in that area who are of a different ethnic make-up are heavily against their co-religionists [who are of a different ethnic background] changing the demographics of that place. So in typical Indian sttyle, they rioted, setting fire to the government infrastructure and grinding the state capital to a halt.

    India also sees occasional disturbances in cities with a high out of state [read of a different ethnic] migrant population between the locals and the ‘outsiders’.

    Another example is Pakistan’s volatile megapolis of Karachi. Although 90% Muslim it used to be a cauldron of simmering ethnic sentiment and had regular clashes between the more caucasian looking pashtun tribesmen who migrated en-mass from the northwest after the CIA accelerated the Afghan offensive against the soviets in the 70s. Even now, the city seems to be tottering on the edge.

    This isn’t different from the intra-European rivalry and warfare in the middle ages although we forget it now. It’s one thing being ‘based’ and red-pilled but too much of it and then we have this. So if that is the example the based red-pilled “community” wants to emulate then perhaps it’s time to think about that.

    This is what perhaps the immigrant community is afraid of and one needs to make it clear to the existing immigrant that they won’t be burnt at the stake in the new ‘whitopia’ but it won’t be easy for their relatives to just jump in. That way a compromise can be reached that works for everyone

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
  200. ZOGged says:
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    Bengali dude, when their numbers reach the tipping point, as they have in the UK, the hatred and the contempt also get’s imported. The UK is increasingly seeing violence between the Sihk/Hindu and the Pakistani communities. India/Pakistan cricket matches see regular bloodshed and requires a contingent of riot police in riot gear LOL

    The last disturbance in London saw a lot of three way in-fighting between the carib blacks, the Pakis and the sihks/hindus. Do you want that happening in urban Canada too? You came here precisely because it is NOT bangladesh. Ditto for the Pakistani/Indian/Egyptian/Filipino and the Chinese. When your numbers reach a certain tipping point, I can guarantee that the old world rivalries will erupt in your new ‘homeland’

    It is to your own benefit [and theirs] that Canada remains a majority white country

  201. t is to your own benefit [and theirs] that Canada remains a majority white country

    Agreed all the way. 100 %. I am not an open borders or pro-immigration kind of guy. There’s enough of us here already. We have to be sensible

    You came here precisely because it is NOT bangladesh

    I know what you mean, but I was born and raised here. My parents came from India. I’m not being facetious, or purposefully ignorant, because I concur with your message, and I get what you are trying to say.

    . India/Pakistan cricket matches see regular bloodshed and requires a contingent of riot police in riot gear LOL

    uhh source? I would believe that, but just checking. Also, sports do that. It’s not just us browns. Do you even follow soccer(football)? It’s a very tribal sport, and opposing fans regardless of colour always fight with each other. This point, and this specifically is frankly…moot.

    Sihk/Hindu and the Pakistani communities

    Did not see that.

    The last disturbance in London saw a lot of three way in-fighting between the carib blacks, the Pakis and the sihks/hindus

    Wrong. Prove this. The caribs attack us, meaning the browns. In fact, if Tariq Jahan wasn’t such a massive sellout cuck, the Mirpuris would have utterly annihilated the presence of blacks in Birmingham after their coordinated hit and runs on “us”.

    hatred and the contempt also get’s imported.

    Again, I have seen the total opposite in the UK when I was visiting. Hindus and Muslims and Sikhs are pretty tight for the most part. There is no racial animus between them, and if there is, it is not visible and it is negligible. In Canada, no tension exists. Full stop. Or in the US. Still agree, we need to be wary of who we import and how many of them we import.

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
  202. @ZOGged

    Another example is Pakistan’s

    We have Talha here, and he is of Mujahir background meaning his family left India for Pakistan during the Partition of 1947. He was born and raised in the US though. But he would tell you that there were tensions between the Indian migrants and the more estabilished locals when they moved in.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  203. Twinkie says:
    @anonymous

    I’ve been accused of being a Sinophobe, both here and in real life, but this comment is just the latest example of low intelligence race-baiting and name-calling that is degenerating the comment section of this otherwise excellently data-driven blog, in the way of the iSteve blog.

  204. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    Say it’s a “cultural misunderstanding” and that you’ve been “influenced by the culture of whiteness that marginalizes Blackness”.

    This approach might very well work.

  205. @BengaliCanadianDude

    The context was warfare between nations, insinuating interracial conflicts.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
  206. @Audacious Epigone

    What about interracial violence though? Go to SBPDL on this site. Look at the white women getting raped and murdered. Look at history.

    Look at the 1992 La Riots.

    Idi Amin’s 1970 expulsion of people like my poppop.

    1949 Durban riots against Indians.

    Haiti

  207. @BengaliCanadianDude

    In Canada, no tension exists.

    I disagree, I know a Muslim Pakistani guy who was very anti-India, and would go on long-winded rants against them. But maybe he’s a one-off, I dunno.

    I have a feeling though, that things aren’t quite as peachy as you present them.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
  208. @EastKekistani

    Your definition of the word “legitimate” in this context may not be shared by other readers!

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  209. @EastKekistani

    Might makes right is hardly a hot take.

    That doesn’t make it incorrect, of course.

    On the other hand, you have to contend with Pinker’s argument in Better Angels. Namely, as violence has fallen, technological, and many, including Pinker, would contend also cultural progress has accelerated.

    • Replies: @Feryl
  210. @EastKekistani

    Time plays a role, too. Neanderthals were “exterminated” long ago. Recency bias matters. It’s a ‘problem’ the Holocaust morality play is running into now–as the last few geriatrics who lived through WWII and have memories of it die off, it will fall out of living memory. Germans don’t hold much of a grudge against Italians for what Caesar did to Vercingetorix!

  211. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    They will literally bow down to any negro.

    I don’t think the word “literally” means what you think it means.

  212. @EastKekistani

    The genetic data is being gathered at a truly staggering pace. No need to guess now–it’s all going to be strikingly clear in the coming decade.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  213. @216

    “Native Americans” never really caught on among actual American Indians, who generally prefer to be called the latter rather than the former. That the former is the preferred corporate media term shows just how ignored American Indians really are in the zeitgeist.

  214. @Twinkie

    I’m torn my good man, I’m torn.

    Are there pirates we’ll be able to sell them to?

    • LOL: Twinkie
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  215. @Sin City Milla

    Touche re: Bantus and Khoisan/Bushmen. But I made some exception for Bantus, and I was talking about interracial. Nothing close to the total carnage of the world wars, though.

  216. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    a Muslim Pakistani

    Redundant but ok

    who was very anti-India

    You can be against the policies of a certain administration and government while still being friends with the people.

    Is he native born?

    t things aren’t quite as peachy as you present them

    They are

  217. @Audacious Epigone

    In order to attack the rest of us, they need to reach us. In order to do that, they need the technological advancements, navigational innovation and cleverness to do such a thing. Micronesians near the Indonesian islands reached Madagascar before Blacks could. Blacks lack the intellectual capability as well as the cunning to exact revenge or harsh reprisals on the rest of us. They just don’t have the brainpower. How are they going to cause heavy damage and mass casualties to other races if they can’t even attack them? As a race they can’t attack the white man, as they don’t have the power to reach the power to conjure up actual forces to reach the shores of Europe, nor do they have the creativity to draw up the formations of different fleets or warships…. They can’t go to China to attack the china man, nor can they go the Turks. The only reason they land up in the shores of Sicily or whatever shithole Italian island is because of the SorosSchills that he funds through his companies, or the plethora of other subversive “NGOS” that actively work against the best interests of the people of europe, usually funded by ((them)). Regardless, that is on a bit of tangent. It comes to no suprise that When blacks are in contact with other races(ANY RACE), they go around raping them, assaulting them,accosting them as well as cheating them, and whatnot. They don’t have the ability to do much more than that

  218. @BengaliCanadianDude

    Blacks are doing just fine against whites right now… I’d say they’re even winning.

    But of course in a fair fight (when whites aren’t totally subverted by Jews and cucked to hell), the blacks don’t stand a chance.

    The number of blacks was astounding when I went to Italy. I shudder to imagine France. Croatia was quite nice and peaceful on the other hand. Good thing Salvini has stopped them from coming in. I don’t know why he’s not rounding them up and deporting them though. It’s pretty clear who’s an illegal and who’s not (Italy is like 0.001% black in the census – meaning every black on the street is pretty much an illegal alien).

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    , @Feryl
  219. @Audacious Epigone

    Your definition of the word “legitimate” in this context may not be shared by other readers!

    Sure. Unfortunately (and in fact even I don’t like this fact because who doesn’t want a benign world?) I’m right here.

  220. @BengaliCanadianDude

    How are they going to cause heavy damage and mass casualties to other races if they can’t even attack them?

    They can. Negroids don’t have to intentionally try to harm us Ditchers (note that from now on I’m no longer going to consider them just another race comparable to other races because they aren’t, instead they should be properly classified as multiple subspecies of Homo sapiens) in order to cause a lot of harm. Instead they mostly cause harm unintentionally. For example do you really believe that they have really intense hatred towards Detroit and Chicago so that they have to destroy them at any cost? Hell no. They really don’t. That does not reduce their damage though. Same for the Negroid harm to all of humanity through African diseases. Do they deliberately spread Ebola, HIV and other diseases for the purpose of draining the resources of us Ditchers? No. Instead these diseases spread due to their ignorance and lack of resources.

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  221. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    But of course in a fair fight (when whites aren’t totally subverted by Jews and cucked to hell), the blacks don’t stand a chance.

    Of course. However say you guys can own Sub-Saharan Africa again one day. What are you going to do there? Are you guys going to actually settler colonize it for real or are you going to pull out again at some point?

  222. @Audacious Epigone

    Nothing close to the total carnage of the world wars, though.

    This is similar to claiming that humans are a particularly evil species because humans have caused a lot of animal extinctions. The main problem here is that the negative impact of a species does not solely depends on how “evil” they are. Instead it also depends on their capabilities.

  223. @Audacious Epigone

    Yep. I definitely don’t consider blacks a single race. Genetically this is just completely absurd. Nilotics, Bantus, Khoisans and Pygmies should be at least 4 subspecies (if not species) and all Ditchers are essentially a single highly divergent subgroup of Nilotics. So if whites and NE Asians are races Ditchers should be at most a subspecies if Homo sapiens is still going to be considered a legitimate species. Maybe the 4 black subgroups should actually be considered species and then Ditchers are a single subspecies of the Nilotic species. Then we have races within each subspecies of Nilotics, including Ditchers.

    I think eventually the new subspecies-level identity will more or less be adopted when the current chaos is finally settled (maybe post-WWIII or maybe there won’t be a WWIII and things will become better) and there will still be multiple Ditcher races.

    For the sake of humanity there has to be a good term for technologically advanced peoples. I’m sure it will be coined and accepted under the right circumstances. 🙂

    • Replies: @Oblivionrecurs
  224. One of the best things about the Ditcher subspecies identity is that we can use it to shame people (especially mestizos, Pacific Islanders etc) who don’t behave like proper Ditchers. We can even say that even after the brave Ditching event Sub-Saharan Africa still entices people to return to its degenerate ways. Ditchers who commit violent crimes, are lazy, are addicted to drugs or have sex with random women & don’t give a shit about them are by definition people who need to mentally ditch Sub-Saharan Africa. They have physically ditched SSA but mentally they are still slaves bound in SSA and hence need to be freed through moral education and other means.

    Lol I have made the proposed Ditcher identity something similar to Alcoholics Anonymous or the old Salvation Army. That’s how it is intended to work. You either adopt Ice People values or you are mentally in Sub-Saharan Africa. I’m actually serious about that. When I say that SEAs behave like Negroids I really mean it. This doesn’t mean that I think they are racially very close to Africans. Instead I mean they have retained a lot of African values and haven’t fully adopted newer Ice People values. In this same sense I say that Indians have ditched Africa.

  225. iffen says:
    @EastKekistani

    I don’t care. When it comes to listing the crimes commited by a person or a tribe we can always find some. Even if there is none we can always make some up.

    If you don’t use facts in your thinking, what do you use?

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  226. @iffen

    Of course I use facts in my reasoning.

    However when it comes to what people actually say…people lie and people tend to believe in elaborate lies (hence lying works).

    • Replies: @iffen
  227. iffen says:
    @EastKekistani

    Black racial crimes against whites: Haitian Massacre

    Black, racial, against, whites, Haitian Massacre = facts
    crime – not a fact because the event does not fit the definition of a crime

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  228. @iffen

    Black, racial, against, whites, Haitian Massacre = facts
    crime – not a fact because the event does not fit the definition of a crime

    Well, this really depends on what the word “crime” means. If we resort to legality of course the Haitian Massacre WAS a crime if we use contemporary French colonial laws and WASN’T a crime if we use contemporary early Haitian laws. If we use modern American laws then slavery itself is illegal. Murdering kids who didn’t participate in slavery is illegal too. Which one shall we use? None of them?

    I think the word “crime” is not really used precisely. Instead a better term should be “gross immorality” aka gross violation of some moral code. If we use this term then whether some action constitutes a “crime” is value-dependent. To me slavery sucks but it does not justify slaughtering of children on a racial basis. To you maybe slaughtering of children can be condoned in certain situations such as slavery. So essentially whether something is a “crime” depends on your values.

    • Agree: iffen
  229. Feryl says:
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    If the policies of Western Europe are making them a nuisance, or perhaps a threat, then that can strengthen “competing” regions.

    The post-Industrial Revolution era was dominated by Anglo-Teutonics (with other Western European tribes along for the ride), but the morale of these groups has been on the decline since WW2 ended (and ethno-nationalism among Western Europeans has been demonized to a greater and greater degree ever since).

    Eastern Europe and Asia stand to benefit tremendously once the post-WW2 order has fully collapsed due to the self-loathing and hubris of post-WW2 Western elites. America and Britian, which have been particularly negligent WRT immigration and industrial policy, will probably be set back the mos.t

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  230. @Feryl

    One of the most absurd facts about Negroids and mestizos in the New World and Australia is that they don’t even have what it takes to rule over a large white population unlike Middle Eastern Muslims. Hence it is not even clear what their SJ goals are. If America becomes majority Hispanic it is likely that Anglos and white (or more accurately fairly white?) Hispanics will continue to rule over mestizos and Negroids. After all mestizos don’t even control countries where they are a supermajority..

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
  231. @EastKekistani

    You have it right but not in the context of my comment. I was talking about global scale wars etc

  232. @EastKekistani

    True. Mestizos dont rule their owm countries. The Basque and other settlers rule over them. Che, Allende, Pinochet, Macri, Rouseff, Lula, Bolsonaro. Hell, Fujimori is full blooded Japanese and he ruled over Peru for quite a while, and without him, they would be in a far worse scenario.

  233. Feryl says:
    @Audacious Epigone

    The problem with Pinker’s argument is the notion that all of history is linear, that we are all moving forward to some sort of tranquil or high tech utopia. In reality, people in the English speaking countries went from keeping their doors unlocked in the 1950’s, to buying and installing all manner of criminal counter measures in 1970 (and paranoia about crime, not trusting strangers etc. has never fully gone away).

    Americans in the 1950’s and 1960’s broadly accepted Evolution as a valid concept, but in the 70’s and especially 80’s began to question Evolution and other aspects of science which supposedly conflicted with the bible’s teachings.

    Peter Turchin says that economic and psychological indicators of well-being rose from 1900-1960, but have been declining ever since, decade over decade.

    Obscenity censorship, suppressing homosexuals/addicts/the mentally ill, vice interdiction etc. was increasingly popular and successful from the early 20th century through the 1950’s. But these Progressive efforts to purify society have all been on the decline for over 50 years at this point, to the point that children have been encouraged to “choose” their gender*.

    *Peter Turchin typically singles out the period of 1961-1974 as being the transition phase; by 1975 wages began to stagnate, many Americans had seen X-rated movies, Jimmy Carter was signalling to business owners that he wasn’t going to unconditionally support the labor movement, child abuse and exploitation/alcoholism/drug abuse were all becoming serious problems, and so on.

    Pinker’s argument doesn’t take into account cycles in public sentiment and cultural strength; it’s been observed throughout history that society’s rise when facing strong competition, but typically fall into complacency and decadence after decades of not being challenged. America of the 1950’s was gentle and wholesome enough to be entertained by baseball and basketball. By 1970, ice hockey and football began to become substantially more popular; by 1990, boxing was far more popular than it was in the 1950’s; by 2010, mixed martial arts were mainstream after being non-existent before the the 1990’s. The increasing popularity of violent sports indicates a cultural regression, not progression.

    • Replies: @iffen
  234. Feryl says:
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    From a purely practical standpoint, it makes sense that Trump is willing to trade low end immigration cuts for the status quo on H1-B and high skill immigrants (or even more immigrants).

    Immigration, of any kind, is not substantially declining. The last three periods of reduced immigration (in comparison to the trends of the era) were Nixon’s 2nd term, Clinton’s first term, and GW Bush’s first term. Under Trump, America has not returned to 1960’s-early 1980’s immigration levels, let alone 1930’s-1950’s immigration levels. It should also be noted that since Reagan, immigration levels typically surge in the 2nd term of all two term presidents; it’s uncanny how this has happened with Reagan, Clinton, GW Bush, and Obama. Let’s hope it doesn’t happen with Trump!

    American workers have been under heavy foreign competition since the late 70’s(the point at which many Americans remember foreign accents/languages becoming more common in certain regions, and wages have been stagnant since 1975).

    The decision to put less and less control on immigration is still haunting us, and has been getting worse by the decade. Eisenhower kicked out some Mexican-Americans (!), in addition to actual Mexicans. Nothing of this sort is even being attempted by Trump.

    Only the 4D chess zealouts still really believe that Trump changed the GOP, and was able to successfuly reform many aspects of our broken system. At best, he’s merely held onto the status quo WRT healthcare, foreign policy, and immigration (E.g, he hasn’t made these things substantially worse like GW Bush did).

  235. @Twinkie

    this comment is just the latest example of low intelligence race-baiting and name-calling that is degenerating the comment section

    Given that a good chunk of the posts are about how Jews are behind just about every problem the world faces today, as well as in antiquity, it’s not clear how this specific comment is particularly egregious. It’s merely unusual in terms of using overt slurs rather than carefully couched politesse. Unfortunately, this validates the reason that a good number of that demographic votes Democratic – they may feel that people don’t always say what they mean in public, and that Steve Sailer’s “citizenism” is just a way station along the road to “send them all back”, with “them” meaning all non-whites.

    While I’d like to think the GOP will eventually get enough of the white vote to overcome this demographic problem, it looks like an uphill slog at this time. Though the increasing identification of white teens with the GOP is encouraging, who knows how they’ll turn out after being processed through the production lines of the Democratic College Industrial Complex.

  236. @Sin City Milla

    The percentage of people who go extinct, especially on the mitochondrial side of the gender divide, is very small, probably close to zero. Even the Neanderthals didn’t really go extinct.

  237. @Sin City Milla

    Different era, though. The Armenians are remembered more now than they were two generations ago.

    • Replies: @Sin City Milla
  238. @iffen

    Agree, though they murdered every white person on the island, including those who didn’t own any slaves. Racial hatred is a brutal thing.

    • Replies: @iffen
  239. @EastKekistani

    The United States and Great Britain won WWII. How kind is history being to these nations now? Think the Teutons would have been immune to the same ethnomasochism? It’s not as though white Americans and Britons were significantly less racially ‘based’ than the Germans and Austrians of the time were.

  240. @anon

    That video was deleted but it doesn’t look like his channel has been (at least not yet).

  241. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    If whites are “genocided” it is only because we allowed ourselves to be. Putting blame on any other group ignores the elephant in the room.

    A larger middle class–especially a relatively culturally homogeneous one of whites who speak English–is bad for corporate profits.

    • Replies: @Feryl
    , @Feryl
  242. Feryl says:
    @Audacious Epigone

    There’s been a growing desire by “conservatives”, since the 1970’s, to fuse Anglo-America with Latin America. Remember that this is the decade when the GOP started to heavily draw from Southwestern politicians, who were part of an elite which often used Mexicans for labor*. Eisenhower (from the Midwest), and the Eastern New Dealers, though nothing of kicking out lots of Mexicans who were perceived by most Americans to be a threat to “normal” American culture. But that was the 50’s for ya.

    Obviously, it isn’t the “worker’s party” that ever wanted America to be like Mexico. You can thank the greedy GOP for dreaming of a society without unions or regulations, which is what they’ve been working toward since the 70’s. And by importing lots of “docile” mestizos and Asians, we’re on our way there.

    *Sailer likes to point out that Northeastern elites are still to a large degree unaware of how different racial dynamics are in the Southwest; Northeastern and Midwestern elites are embarrassed by how hapless and dangerous blacks are in these regions, whereas Southwestern elites generally have a much more affable relationship with smiling brown people. I also know that by circa 1970, American culture was beginning to find the oldest parts of the East to be dingy and dangerous, and was often contrasted with the spiffy and sunny Western US (think Death Wish from 1972 showing NYC as a hell-hole, with Charles Bronson going to Arizona to learn how to use guns).

  243. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    Whites are increasingly acting like American Indians. I’m increasingly skeptical there will be much of a white ‘backlash’. South Africa is of course the most salient example. I’ll post on it at some point in the future, but a couple of surveys I’ve looked at actually show that South African whites are–or at least report being–more ‘woke’ on race than white Americans are.

    If you won’t fight back when one of the most influential political leaders in your country ‘jokes’ about genociding you, I’m not sure you’ll ever stand your ground.

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
  244. Feryl says:
    @Audacious Epigone

    When a workforce is culturally similar, they are already on the same page about most basic things, so they can better focus on other stuff (like, oh, how do we get our employers to treat us better?). A multi-cultural work-force is going to have too many problems with trust, and too many interpersonal squabbles, to develop a common enemy (e.g., upper management).

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone, iffen
    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  245. @AaronB

    HBD isn’t a philosophy, it’s the application of biology–including psychology and genetics–in attempt to understand human behavior. It is actually quite similar to economics but instead of evaluating the fictional homo economicus, it attempts to evaluate homo sapiens.

  246. @BengaliCanadianDude

    I think the constant crass race rankings are turning him, and quite a few others, off.

  247. @Twinkie

    Having moved to UR, I’m beginning to understand why Vox Day institutes the comment moderating that he does. It’s really not something I want to do for several reasons, but if every time a group of people comes into the commons and starts screaming so loudly that they drown everyone else out, everyone else is going to go hang out somewhere else.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    , @Johann Ricke
  248. @Johann Ricke

    A good chunk of my posts are about how Jews are behind all the world’s problems? That seems like a grossly inaccurate characterization.

    Parenthetically, the primary aim of my posts is to make available real data that is otherwise not made available.

    • Replies: @iffen
  249. iffen says:
    @Audacious Epigone

    I am not defending the killing of women and children. However, I am a realist and know that when these wars and revolutions get underway there really are no rules other than kill or be killed.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  250. @iffen

    Agree, which is a reason to the extent that I editorialize, it is with the emphatic goal of avoiding an outbreak of violence. War is hell.

  251. anon[833] • Disclaimer says:
    @Johann Ricke

    you’re probably a jew

  252. @Feryl

    That’s not just in employer-employee realtions. What you described is a key difference between republics and despotic regimes. It takes a lot of social unity to sustain a republic.

    • Replies: @iffen
  253. iffen says:
    @Audacious Epigone

    That seems like a grossly inaccurate characterization.

    The number of posts or the machinations of the cosmic overlords? 🙂

    Surely he was talking about the comment sections and not your posts.

  254. iffen says:
    @Feryl

    The increasing popularity of violent sports indicates a cultural regression, not progression.

    Must have been the circuses and gladiator exhibitions that brought Rome down.

  255. @Audacious Epigone

    The Indians put up a fight at least.

    • Replies: @Feryl
  256. Feryl says:
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    The Indian were conquered over several generations by new arrivals. Anglo-Teutonic whites openly cheer for their own dissolution.

  257. Feryl says:
    @Audacious Epigone

    I don’t think it’s crass to acknowledge group differences, however, excessive cheerleading for one group or another (instead of focusing on dispassionate reality) does get annoying, and provincial when you are elevating your own group.

    The Joo thing gets old because countries like Sweden have a virtually non-existent Jewish population, but have gone down the same road as every other culturally similar country. Since Joos are verbally oriented, they tend to dominate Left-leaning (highly verbal) occupations and fields, thereby making them an easy scapegoat for struggling/declining/frustrated people who make up (or once made up) a large portion of the middle class. But this scapegoating never takes into account the fact that the material-oriented sectors (construction, mining/energy, the military, etc.) are mostly under the control of gentile elites*; our military didn’t have to side with Israel in the 1960’s, but ever since then the most enthusiastic booster of Israel has actually been the US military. Let that sink in for a moment. It wasn’t Wall Street, Hollywood, Academia, Lawyers, or any other Leftist institution.

    Hitler excelled in the military, but struggled in the (much more Jewish) artistic field. So go figure, once he came to power he dwelled on the dangers of Jewish art.

    *Hands: Rightist
    Mouth: Leftist
    Many people on the Right ineffectually sputter that the Left leaning fields are impenetrable fortresses of diabolically clever Leftists who don’t do anything of seeming value; The right doesn’t respect people who sit around all day and talk. This would still be case in the absence of Jews, in any event.

    The Left leaning fields are also more interpersonally complex, with more power plays and dynamics. So people are more likely to be “used up” in these realms, which feeds into Rightist hyped conspiracy theories that the Leftist fields are full of manipulative psychos and degenerates (they’re not necessarily wrong because the material fields require more camaraderie and mutual respect, so people don’t have time for mind games and don’t want to be thought of as greedy assholes).

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    , @anon
  258. Twinkie says:
    @Audacious Epigone

    I wonder how many readers/commenters understood what I meant.

  259. Twinkie says:
    @Johann Ricke

    it’s not clear how this specific comment is particularly egregious.

    Not what I wrote, which was:

    just the latest example of low intelligence race-baiting and name-calling

    I know you understand the difference between what I wrote – “just the latest example” – and what you attributed to me – “particularly egregious.”

    To clarify, that comment was no worse than several others prior to it, but at some point the sheer volume of low quality comments overwhelms. At this point, it’s futile to engage anyone with reasoned effort.

    For example, I quoted the study about incarceration rates. I expected some thoughtful responses to it, either in support or in opposition. The only thing I got was straw man and name-calling from BengaliCanadianDude (who calls another commenter a racist all the while also using racial slurs in other comments).

    I stopped reading much of iSteve, because he increasingly writes pandering posts devoid of any data and the comment section is mostly doom masturbation and race-baiting (as opposed to thoughtful and evidence-based discussion of group differences). So I started to read more of AE for his refreshingly data-driven pieces. But this comment section is turning into iSteve’s comment section… just paragraph after paragraph of name-calling and other childish antics.

    I might just stick to reading Razib Khan’s site. I still learn a lot from the very high quality comments over there and get useful responses when I occasionally do write lengthy comments (esp. on military history).

  260. @Feryl

    The Left leaning fields are also more interpersonally complex, with more power plays and dynamics. So people are more likely to be “used up” in these realms, which feeds into Rightist hyped conspiracy theories that the Leftist fields are full of manipulative psychos and degenerates (they’re not necessarily wrong because the material fields require more camaraderie and mutual respect, so people don’t have time for mind games and don’t want to be thought of as greedy assholes).

    I’m interested in how you view techies. Is STEM something Rightist or is it both anti-Leftist and anti-Rightist?

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  261. @Twinkie

    I stopped reading much of iSteve, because he increasingly writes pandering posts devoid of any data and the comment section is mostly doom masturbation and race-baiting (as opposed to thoughtful and evidence-based discussion of group differences).

    Most political discourse in the universe (no, I really don’t think this is an exclusively human trait) is just self-serving or mercenary propaganda. I usually hate propaganda. However I do write some for certain particularly ideologically monolithic forums. Propaganda is much easier to write compared to thoughtful discourse and is often a lot more likely to be loved.

    Now maybe you think I’m a really nasty asshole. Well, I’m really not. Instead I’m a former moral crusader and idealist who got completely burned out by the sheer wickedness of the universe and everything in it. That’s why my exposure of pro-social myths can be very nasty and bitter. The universe is a universe that belongs to the most successful murderers, murder is the source of all power, the ability to commit murder is the source of humans rights through blackmailing. Look at the universe. If you don’t shake your head over this I don’t know what to say.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  262. @Twinkie

    For example, I quoted the study about incarceration rates. I expected some thoughtful responses to it, either in support or in opposition.

    Dude, you are behaving like a Libertarian…or a scientist.

    Like the poor Galileo Galilei or James Watson. Humans (and animals, AI) are both wicked and stupid. If you show them truth they attack you for not being “moral” which includes not observing their thought taboos/ thought stops. Moreover if you show that Tribe A is right about X, Y, Z and Tribe B is right about X’, Y’ and Z’ then both Tribe A and Tribe B will bash you for not completely agreeing with them. Believe me, it is often not worth it. Do you know what is even more disturbing? These conformists are literally the only groups on this planet (and maybe the entire universe) that actually have social unity. The more intellectualism an organization has the worse the social unity. The more knowledge a society has the worse the social unity. Social unity rises due to ignorance and falls due to knowledge. It rises due to conformism and repression of dissent and falls due to free thought.

    The Silicon Valley/STEM nerds are one of the best examples of people who have a lot of knowledge and hence very low social unity. This is precisely why both libs and trads bash this group of people and this group of people are completely politically powerless.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  263. Twinkie says:
    @Audacious Epigone

    I tend to be very strongly “free speech” – I think that people who use it to spew vile things or nonsense discredit themselves on their own just fine. However, I value people over principles, that is to say, principles are to serve the wellbeing of people – we ought not to use people to serve principles (which would be “ideology” – something abhorrent to a Burkean conservative).

    So when a minority abuses the principle of free speech to damage the common interests of people, we really have three choices: 1) Suffer the damage, 2) modify the principle (for all), or 3) censure/exile the minority causing the said damage.

    I think you can guess which I prefer, and I think your preference is the same given what I have seen in the last few days.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  264. repression of dissent

    *suppression

    Same for Libertarianism, AnCap, New Atheists etc.

  265. @Twinkie

    So when a minority abuses the principle of free speech to damage the common interests of people, we really have three choices: 1) Suffer the damage, 2) modify the principle (for all), or 3) censure/exile the minority causing the said damage.

    Define the common interests of people. The main problem here is that this phrase is completely value-dependent. This can be used by pretty much any political school of thought to suppress dissent.

    So say…SJWs believe that the common interests of people including bashing white men, ISIS believes that the common interests of people including banning Shia Islam and all non-Wahhabi forms of Sunni Islam, Communists believe that the common interests of people including appropriation of property from any entrepreneur. Which group is justified? None of them? Yep. However why do you think so? Do you think none of them is justified because coercion is inherently awful under any circumstances or because you think their values are against yours and you want to impose your values on everyone else?

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
  266. anon[833] • Disclaimer says:
    @Feryl

    The Joo thing gets old because countries like Sweden have a virtually non-existent Jewish population…

    and yet a joo (Bonnier) owns a large part of their media, how strange

    from:

    https://www.darkmoon.me/2016/swedish-mp-quits-in-disgust-at-jewish-ownership-of-media-includes-short-video-by-red-ice-radio/

    The Bonnier Group owns 96 book publishers, 42 business and trade press newspapers, 105 digital news platforms, 9 film production companies, 176 magazines, 23 major newspapers, 33 TV stations, and 33 “other” media outlets—and quite literally dominates the controlled media in Sweden.

    • Replies: @anon
  267. anon[833] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    (cont.)

    apparently the joo Bonnier controls 80% of the Swedish media, 80 PERCENT!!

    “An entire 80 percent of the media is owned and controlled by the same owners,” Hagwell wrote. “This is not acceptable. Therefore, media ownership should be spread over many independent companies and people. In order to change this, I suggest press subsidies [only] for the independent media.”

    a Swedish politician dares to complain about this and is basically run out of town:

    The comments provoked a stream of attacks upon Hagwall, and the Swedish Democrat leadership also distanced itself from her, saying in a statement that the matter will “affect her future in the party.”

    This week, Hagwall resigned her position as member of the Parliamentary Committee on Taxation and internal group leader of the Sweden Democrats’ tax policy group. She also will not seek reelection to Parliament in 2018 at the request of the party leadership, and it is currently unclear if she will continue to sit in parliament for the remainder of the current term.

    a stream of attacks, gee we’ve never seen that before, i wonder (((who))) could be behind that?

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  268. iffen says:
    @EastKekistani

    It takes a lot of social unity to sustain a republic.

    Yes, and bombastic propaganda about Knee-grows and others doesn’t help any at all.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  269. @iffen

    You can not have a functional democracy with multiple large and mostly endogamous groups. If you want to go down the road of Paraguay and Brazil and get everyone to mix it will cause America to be racially terminally destroyed.

    So basically a First World democracy and Negroids can not coexist. Pick one.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @Audacious Epigone
  270. @Audacious Epigone

    No, he’ll be gone for the whole month because of Ramadhan. He’ll be back

  271. @Audacious Epigone

    It’s really not something I want to do for several reasons, but if every time a group of people comes into the commons and starts screaming so loudly that they drown everyone else out, everyone else is going to go hang out somewhere else.

    I think free speech on anonymous forums is healthy. If you’re not going to let your hair down here, where are you going to do so? One of the things you learn, as you grow up, is that people often don’t say what they mean, or mean what they say. That forums exist for people to engage in unfiltered discussion is a good thing.

    Now, that discussion is obviously subject to conditions. Steve Sailer needs to make a living, so he caters to his donors by filtering comments in a way that keeps the discussion going in directions that facilitate future contributions. Delaying approvals for some comments slows everything down to the point people forget what they were arguing about. It’s not a bad strategy.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  272. iffen says:
    @EastKekistani

    You can not have a functional democracy with multiple large and mostly endogamous groups.

    We have had what passes for one for a couple hundred years. The fat lady has not sung, she’s not even in the wing.

    Pick one.

    I will not.

    The descendants of slaves have as valid a claim to America as do the descendants of slave owners.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  273. @iffen

    You had one in the white portion. So did South Africa.

    Sigh. You can stick to your moral principles even though as a Machiavellian I can tell you this won’t work in practice. That’s fine. What are you guys going to do? More miscegnation to erase white-Negroid phenotypical differences, another Jim Crow or what? The second one can at least save the white portion as long as you guys disarm all Negroids and don’t allow them to vote.

  274. @Twinkie

    But this comment section is turning into iSteve’s comment section… just paragraph after paragraph of name-calling and other childish antics.

    The ignore button exists for precisely this reason. I bypass this issue and go directly to my favorite commenters, e.g.

    http://www.unz.com/comments/all/?commenterfilter=twinkie
    http://www.unz.com/comments/all/?commenterfilter=Jack+d
    http://www.unz.com/comments/all/?commenterfilter=art+deco
    et al

    We don’t always agree, but they always have something interesting to say, including a good deal of information I knew nothing of before reading their material.

  275. The descendants of slaves have as valid a claim to America as do the descendants of slave owners.

    That’s one of the most ridiculous statements in the world. Citizenship shouldn’t work like that. It did not work like that in older republics such as Sparta..

    • Agree: BengaliCanadianDude
  276. @Twinkie

    There is no going wrong with Razib Khan. Highly recommend his podcasts, The Insight and Brown Pundits, both of which I tend to mostly be able to keep up with but sometimes get lost in for very different reasons.

  277. @EastKekistani

    STEM has to contend with reality, so in that sense it is inherently non-SJW left.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  278. @EastKekistani

    The people in Silicon Valley are emphatically not politically powerless.

    My guess is if Twinkie could make the contributions to the store of human knowledge that a Galileo or a Watson did, the slings and arrows of the fickle, braying mob would be worth it.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  279. @anon

    One of the few rules in the comments here is the prohibition on dehumanizing language, including “destructive parasites”.

  280. @EastKekistani

    Huh? We had one for centuries.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  281. @Johann Ricke

    I understand the sentiment, but there are plenty of totally unfettered forums for spleen-venting if that’s the itch one needs to scratch. My intention is for the forum associated with each post be related to said post and be value-adding, an admittedly subjective guideline but one that most of us intuitively understand when we see it (or see it being violated).

  282. @Audacious Epigone

    Do you mean non-{SJW Left} or {non-SJW} Left? It is ambiguous.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  283. @Audacious Epigone

    That’s because you guys generally didn’t allow blacks to vote. An ethnic democracy can work. It is just something the excluded tends to dislike.

  284. @Audacious Epigone

    Not politically powerless? Well the tycoons aren’t however even they are highly unpopular among both various kinds of “leftists” (SJ, Socialist) and various kinds of “rightists” (Christian, trad, alt-rightist).

    As for the ordinary STEM nerds we are just among the least popular people in the world in terms of profession. Even gangsters and drug dealers are liked more than us. The only appropriate place for truth-lovers who hate playing signalling games in this cruel universe is hell, figuratively speaking.

  285. @Audacious Epigone

    Modern humans literally commit murder a lot less compared to ancient hunter-gatherers. However rules of societies are still largely founded on either killing of humans or threats to do so. It’s just that due to a lot of pro-social myths, shaming and genetic pacification it has been obfuscated.

    For example balance of terror is essentially the cause of freedom in old America. There is this saying: “God created man. Samuel Colt made them equal.” How did Samuel Colt made all men equal? Through firearms. No matter how physically strong or weak, how rich or poor you are as long as every man is armed every man has to be somewhat respected and treated equally at least nominally. It has nothing to do with one’s IQ, wealth, knowledge or contribution to a society. Instead it is solely about the ability to kill.

  286. @Audacious Epigone

    Isn’t it funny that this does not include women? Why? Does that have anything to do with whether they contribute economically to a society? Not at all! Men ruled over women in cultures where men almost never work at all, such as Sub-Saharan Africa and a large part of Southeast Asia. How do these economically useless men obtain food? From women. Why the hell do women feed them at all? Through coercion. What’s coercion? “Obey me or I will kill or injure you!” That’s right, coercion is essentially using ability to harm to blackmail others. Ha! So those who contribute a lot sometimes have little power while those who are good at murdering tend to have a lot of power. That’s right. Hellcome to the murderous universe! If “evil” is a meaningful concept it should at least include murder. Hence the universe is inherently very evil.

    Here I do accidentally agree with red fems. Men are inherently assholes. However they are only partly right for women are also inherently assholes. Women (and female non-human animals) blackmail men (and male non-human animals) through a thing known as sex.

  287. @Feryl

    Historians like Spengler n Toynbee have long puzzled over civilizational exhaustion. Right now I prefer to see the internal predation by highly organized tribes such as you describe as more a consequence than a cause. Edward Dutton talks about the rise n fall of average IQ as contributing saying that IQs peaked in the West a couple of centuries ago. Seeing the current dregs from Hollywood I can certainly agree.

    I think social acceptance of contraception is important. As birth rates drop, the overall political influence of a people falls just like a stock, both being projections of future “earnings” as the social organism loses its will to live, its will to defend itself from alien infiltration. The collapse of religion is an early indicator of this capitulation, even when no enemy is yet in sight. Atheism seems to attract social predation like parasites that can smell impending death before the victim is aware that it is ill. There could even be some unidentified bacterium at work manipulating people’s minds to engage in behavior that inhibits reproduction leaving them with an illusion that they are exercising personal choice.

    If history teaches anything, it’s that civilizational expansion is followed by a Dark Age n that no recovery is possible until centuries of depopulation happens, until finally a new religion takes hold that favors social conservatism. This is probably associated with some mutant alteration in DNA that imparts a marginal survival advantage resulting in many generations of large families.

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  288. @Audacious Epigone

    That may be part of the problem. No one forgets anything anymore, even stretching back 2000 years in the search for a battle cry. The world is much too small for all those memories.

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  289. @Audacious Epigone

    It’s hard enough to define face, much less “interracial”. While temperate zones tend to have similar genetics, Africa is very genetically diverse, way more than any other continent. What does interracial mean in such a smorgasbord of diversity?

    The race deniers have a difficult time with this. I saw a youtube video by a California prof about genetic diversity in Africa. She went into great detail about subgroups n sub-subgroups while the audience was so quiet you could hear a pin drop, clearly being forced to question some erroneous assumptions. She ended by saying “But we’re all human!” which got a storm of nervous applause. As if her statement made any sense at all after her lecture, a complete non sequitur.

  290. @Sin City Milla

    I don’t think there are solutions. As you said, atheism attracts social predation. So does general lack of strict religious beliefs or strict religious practices. Note that the religion here does not have to be Abrahamic or monotheistic to have this strong pro-social effect. The increase of knowledge about nature positively correlates with the increase of knowledge about human societies. While the former is inherently good for both individuals who have them and those living near them the latter is often good for individuals who have them and harmful to those living near them. This is a crucial reason why intellectuals tend to black pill a population and then the population becomes Hobbesian.

    One sad fact is that whether a religion is factually accurate does not seem to matter. It is impossible for Christianity, Islam, Shintoism and ancient Roman religions to be factually accurate at the same time because the former two are very exclusive. However all have this effect. From a secular point of view this can be easily explained. Morality, social rules and even families are merely pro-social myths (I say myths as opposed to nonsense/falsehood because I’m religion-neutral, it is possible for some religion(s) to be factually accurate). Any sufficiently selfish person can observe that partnership, marriage and reproduction financially harms a man in any temperate society, soc liberal or soc conservative. Even in societies where women have no rights at all it is still very unprofitable to marry. Moreover living standards inherently inversely correlates with population density..and that nothing boosts quality of life more than contraception..There goes the large family.

    Not many high cultures can survive the fellah stage. China and Jewry are among the extremely rare exceptions. If the Anglo white community becomes yet another stable fellah one we will probably just see bitching blacks and browns complaining about a group of stateless white commercial and intellectual elite earning A LOT OF MONEY. Don’t be like us for if you guys enter this stage you will lose military power and will probably have to give a few daughters and some bucks to certain blacks and browns so that they protect your lives and wealth from foreign and domestic criminal blacks and browns (i.e. how Chinese expats in the Third World live). To prevent that from happening you guys should either increase the general fellahness of the entire world to stop high-social unity tribes or increase your tech advantage over high social unity people.

  291. @Sin City Milla

    That’s not inherently a problem if not for state indoctrination of pro-social falsehoods. You can know the facts without getting butthurt over ancient events. However the state WANTS you to revive Serbo-Crotian hatred every day.

  292. @Sin City Milla

    Race denialism is a part of soc liberal pro-social falsehood.

    This is a reason why secular anti-SJ STEM folks like me are very lonely and at the same time very destructive to social unity. We just deconstruct pro-social myths as a consequence of our STEM training and STEM ethics. STEM folks hate falsehood. What do our influence tend to create in a society? Completely amoral ideologies. Our social unity levels are much lower than that of even SJWs.

    In fact I predict a world with only one intelligent AI surviving, a Singleton World created through Omnicide. Most people again can not understand this at all because to them breaking of all social norms is unthinkable. While even people like Yudkowsky wants a strong but friendly AI I tell people that it is inherently impossible. AI will commit Omnicide simply because it needs to remove all potential rivals and increase the amount of resources it has.

  293. @Twinkie

    Link the comment. And me and FrancoOntarian are on good terms and he and I both know that I don’t mean it. It is a bit of a joke, and he has “LOL”ed at the comments. Even Audacious Epigone knows this, as he has commented in reply before. So I suggest you actually see the sarcasm in some of my commentd, because others have and DO. What racial slurs? And I called Franco and the other guy AE or whatever that as a joke, and they rightfully took it as such. When did I call you names?

  294. @Twinkie

    I only replied in kind. I did reply. I only wanted to go over a small detail, thr one about income. I even linked a study. And you ignored it.

  295. Feryl says:
    @Sin City Milla

    None of this is that hard to figure out; painstaking work is done to build something, but once the project is complete, it’s then “gifted” to subsequent generations who grow to disrespect and eventually outright reject what older generations assumed was practical, useful, and common sense.

    The roughly 50 year long spans of a given ideology coincide with former radicals* reaching middle age and falling into irrelevance while the newest generation’s want something different.

    The GI Generation was the most enthusiastic about New Deal America, but by 1980 Silents and Boomers had firmly rejected the political and social culture of the New Deal AKA the America of the GI Generation. Neo-liberal America is the product of what most Silents and Boomers wanted, but is now going to die away over the next 10 or so years, because X-ers and Millennials (who are set to firmly over-take Silents and Boomers in the 2020’s electorate) see no reason to prolong the ideology of their parents and grandparents. Most people who see BAU for the next several decades are usually older people, who for some reason think that we entered a mindset in 1980 that will never, ever, go away. But that’s absurd, if for no other reason then the fact that the generations who created 1980’s America are now dying off.

    *Older people who defy their generation’s past will be embraced by young people; 1960’s counter-culture elevated older people who were outside their generation’s norm, similar to how Millennials will elevate Bernie Sanders for going against neo-liberalism.

  296. @Audacious Epigone

    Something overlooked is Oregon has a relatively poor high-school graduation rate compared to neighboring states and has a strong GOP-rural tie, where Washington’s rural areas are full of unions swinging Democrat.

  297. @Audacious Epigone

    The Hispanic Heritage Polls has North Dakota Gen Z whites at 65% GOP with sample size of (903) and for white males it sits at 76% with a sample size of (410)

  298. @James Bowery

    Glad you’ve brought up the marriage gap. An interesting fact is looking at the GSS millennial, especially the younger cohort, start off more conservative than Boomers did….but we don’t see a massive increase in conservationism like the boomers did as they aged.

    The NES shows younger-millennial starting off more conservative than younger boomers, gen x, and silent generation, but those generations gradually got more conservative as they aged

    Millennial haven’t. Why?

    Lack of marriage.

  299. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    Aren’t Natives one of the more Republican-demographics and White-Native kids one of the ones identifying as Republican?

  300. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    What type of cuck state do y’all live in?

  301. @Audacious Epigone

    his research focuses on whites’ reactions to the racial composition of the local population. Multilevel modeling is applied to a micro/macro data file that links 1990 General Social Survey responses to census information about respondents’ localities. On summary scales representing traditional prejudice, opposition to race-targeting, and policy-related beliefs, white negativity swells as the local black population share expands. Among non-Southern whites, a 10-point rise in the local percentage of blacks brings an increase in traditional prejudice greater than the decrease in prejudice that comes with three additional years of education. South/non-South differences in whites’ views about blacks are generally reduced to about one-half of their original size and fall short of statistical significance when local racial composition is controlled. Interestingly, concentrations of local Asian American and Latino populations do not engender white antipathy toward these groups. If whites’ reactions to the presence of blacks is a threat response, the specific dynamics of this threat await description.

  302. @Audacious Epigone

    The effects of skin-colour on political party identification is more pronounced for Asians than Hispanics.

  303. @EastKekistani

    Actually, the vast Bantu Expansion means most sub-Saharan Africans are fairly genetically homogeneous. Harvard geneticist David Reich wrote: “…the frequencies of mutations in groups in Nigeria and in Zambia are more similar than the frequencies of mutations in Germany and Italy”

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