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The indefatigable Ron Unz stirred the pot by publishing his formerly private missive from last year addressed to those on the alt right. Ron points out that even as California has become considerably less white over the last fifty years, white racial consciousness has even less purchase in the state now than it did then. If exposure to non-whites doesn’t lead to racial consciousness in whites, what will?

Part of the explanation is that blacks tend to cause whites more problems than Hispanics and Asians do. As the latter have moved into the state they’ve pushed the former out. Another part of the explanation is that whites most amenable to any sort of white consciousness are the whites who have been leaving the state over that same period. The US is a big, mostly empty country with a seemingly endless opportunity for white flight.

Relatedly, I’d had the vague impression that California was the only state in the country to have seen an absolute decline in the size of the non-Hispanic white population over the last fifty years. After all, the country has added over 120,000,000 people since 1970.

Vague impressions don’t cut it for a quant blog, though, so I crunched the numbers. As it turns out, thirteen states have fewer white people living in them today than they did in 1970. We’re not talking in terms of population percentages here–every state except for the Imperial Capital has seen a decline in its white population share over the last half century–we’re talking in terms of absolute numbers of white people:

whitedecline

Another way of putting this is that 100% of the population growth over the last fifty years in New York, Illinois, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Massachusetts, California, Connecticut, Ohio, Michigan, Rhode Island, Iowa, Maryland, and West Virginia has come from non-whites. From 1970 to 2018, California lost 427,000 whites while adding an utterly transformative 20,250,000 non-whites.

 
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  1. Anon[125] • Disclaimer says:

    If whites can only gain a racial consciousness through the proximity of black dysfunction and violence then that is a huge warning sign for the future. In other words, say that by magic coincidence all non-whites were removed and transported back to their homelands tomorrow.

    50 years from now, we’d be in the same exact position as we are today. Because inherent white ethnocentrism is low. Put another way: relying on proximity to other groups is a losing proposition. White people need endogenous sources of ethnocentrism, i.e. we like being around other whites so much that even functional minorities don’t cut it. We’re clearly not there. This also means that overly focusing on crime is a losing strategy because when you get (relatively) low crime minorities, you’re stripped of your primary argument.

    From 1970 to 2018, California lost 427,000 whites while adding an utterly transformative 20,250,000 non-whites.

    That still doesn’t explain the lack of white consciousness. It’s a tiny number of declines. In absolute terms, the white population has not moved much.

    • Replies: @Mitleser
    , @Dissident Rite
  2. Rational says:

    WHITES ARE DYING, JUDAISTS ARE WINNING.

    The Jewish war on whites has not just been in the form of importing 3rd world aliens, it has been brainwashing whites into cultural suicide.

    Whites are smoking, drinking, doing drugs, whoring around, dating 10-20 women till 50 (hypergamy) instead of having kids—thanks to Jewish controlled media and cinema and music.

    The biggest drug manufacturer is owned by Judaists.

    https://forward.com/fast-forward/385375/the-jewish-family-making-billions-from-the-opioid-crisis/

    Fertility peaks in the 20’s. Most girls I talk to tell me they will have a career first and will think of kids in their 40’s–when the ovaries are shut down!

    The Judaists have destroyed white culture and are flooding the nation with aliens. Their magazines show a white couple without kids “enjoying life” on one cover and aliens flooding Europe to take up jobs in another cover.

    That is their exact plan—white extinction as revenge for a host of real or imaginary historical conflicts, from the Romans to the Holocaust.

  3. Whites are smoking, drinking, doing drugs, whoring around, dating 10-20 women till 50 (hypergamy) instead of having kids—thanks to Jewish controlled media and cinema and music.

    And Jews aren’t? Well, maybe not drinking.

    The Jewish war on whites has not just been in the form of importing 3rd world aliens, it has been brainwashing whites into cultural suicide.

    Like Southern music– R&B, rock and roll, blues. Even country is loud and dirty now.

    That is their exact plan—white extinction as revenge for a host of real or imaginary historical conflicts, from the Romans to the Holocaust.

    There are more whites in America than people in all but a half-dozen countries. It’s going to take a whole lot of Journey records to bring that many down.

    Their magazines show a white couple without kids “enjoying life” on one cover…

    Put out your own newsletter with your own children on the cover. Will you need a gatefold to fit them all?

    • Replies: @Doogie
  4. Doogie says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    There are more whites in the USA than most countries, but look at how old white America is:

    The white American population size is misleadingly inflated by boomers and generation X, who are effectively sterile, alcohol addicted and in desperate need of multiple joint replacements.

    White America as we know it is finished. It’s been a lost cause for 20 years or so. And there was no Jewish conspiracy or anti-white plot; white women simply chose not to reproduce and white men were unable to force them to (white American families were essentially the basis for satirical horror films like The Exorcist.)

    advances.sciencemag.org/content/4/8/eaap9815

    As we can see from the chart, White women have been displaced in popularity by Asian and Hispanic women. East Asian and Amerindian mtDNA will replace European mtDNA among children with non-Hispanic European surnames in the distant future.

    Most of the offspring of the few Gentile white women who reproduce will be born in to a new untouchable caste in a technological dystopia, where anyone who isn’t a STEM techhie or a camgirl cannot compete, and will be confined to tent cities in dry water canals by armed drones.

    Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

  5. Jay Fink says:
    @Rational

    All those risky behaviors you mention are personal choices. Nobody forces whites to do any of them and many in fact don’t do them.

    • Replies: @jbwilson24
    , @Svigor
  6. Mitleser says:
    @Anon

    It’s a tiny number of declines. In absolute terms, the white population has not moved much.

    That does not say that.
    It says that non-hispanic white migration to California could not compensate nhw migration from California.

  7. songbird says:

    So, where are the blacks moving? To the suburbs or other states/cities?

    • Replies: @Cloudbuster
    , @bj
  8. Trumpy thinks about the United States as the demographic place it was when he was about 30 years old or so. That’s 40 years ago when the 1965 Immigration Act was just starting to flood the United States with non-Whites.

    This worked to Trump’s advantage in the GOP primary because Trumpy was the closest thing to explicit White identity politics running in the GOP presidential primary. Voters could just tell that Trunpy’s implicit Whiteness was about advancing the interests of the European Christian ancestral core of the USA.

    The New York Times today was gloating like bastards about the Republican Party getting smashed in Orange County, California, and I was happy as a butcher’s dog to see it. The Republican Party ruling class rats treasonously pushed open borders mass legal immigration and illegal immigration for 40 or 50 years, and now they must be pushed off a cliff to make way for the new ruling class of the GOP. Trumpy is a gateway to the extreme racial polarization of American politics. Good!

    The increasingly racialized politics in the USA, in combination with the upcoming next round of the global financial implosion, will be the moment when the European Christian ancestral core of the United States begins to set the stage for the mass deportations of 40 or 50 million non-Whites from the USA.

    California can very easily be demographically changed out to provide a pleasant living environment for European Christian Americans. After the next round of the global financial implosion hits, that will be when California will be retaken by White Core Americans.

    HAPPY NEW YEAR!

    • Replies: @earl1812
  9. “There are more whites in America than people in all but a half-dozen countries. It’s going to take a whole lot of Journey records to bring that many down.”

    You are grossly myopic or a disingenuous shill, doesn’t matter which because the outcome is the same. Europeans are a tiny fraction of the population of the entire globe and are receding in numbers at a pace never before seen in history.

    But you keep pumping out that propaganda and cashing those JIDF checks buddy. Your snarky little bullet points don’t change the grim reality of the situation.

    • Replies: @rufus
  10. Vague impressions don’t cut it for a quant blog, though, so I crunched the numbers. As it turns out, thirteen states have fewer white people living in them today than they did in 1970.

    Greenspan said he couldn’t believe the Long-Term Capital Management(LTCM) quant guys in Connecticut were pulling the horseshit they were pulling with their fancy mathematical bets on derivatives and the like. I think Greenspan knew the monetary extremism he unleashed would lead to quant guys using conjured up loot to lever the crap out of any damn thing that moved. Greenspan the central banker was just covering his shyster ass.

    Vague impressions ain’t so bad, if you compare them to the numbers nutcakes who phuck up the human factor in their predictions and policy proposals.

    I have distilled politics down to its essence:

    From October of 2018:

    All politics is boiling down to this:

    DEBT and DEMOGRAPHY

    Monetary Policy and Mass Immigration

    Central bankers have used monetary policy and immigration policy to destroy cultural cohesion and territorial integrity and national sovereignty in European Christian nations.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone, densa
  11. Thinking says:

    If hispanic fertility is still dropping, then the only long term threats to whites remain our own apathy (ie letting mass immigration of vermin continue) and white leftist fertility rates.

    One of those is fixable, the other should be actively encouraged.

    As you said on your previous blogspot – the long game is still ours if we play our cards right. A moderate increase in white right-wing fertility with a cessation of immigration means we might just be able to retake the country without it violently tearing itself apart first.

    Also AE, if you ever manage to find data on it you should crunch numbers on Indians from India vs Chinese/Japs/Korean fertility rates. I don’t view the latter as a threat precisely because they don’t really breed much anymore, and I haven’t found any good information on the former to come to a good enough conclusion.

  12. rufus says:
    @Apex Predator

    I generally describe humanity as 1/3 Han Chinese and genetically indistinguishable groups like Koreans and Japanese. Lets say 2 billion for simplicity. Similarly Indians with Pakistan and Bangladesh though not as homogeneous. Call that 2 billion. Lets say 2 billion in darkest Africa by 2035, and there you have it.

    Far from minorities, these are massive global majorities with a small white group on the far west of the Atlantic European land mass.

    The goal must be to prevent these groups from entering and settling in the west and English speaking homelands.

    • Replies: @Randy the Auditor
  13. one positive: i’ll bet the upper peninsula (“the U.P.”) of Michigan has NOT seen a decline, even though i realize it had to be colored in b/c it’s part of Michigan, which HAS seen a decline.
    (please un-color the UP:) thanks for your stunning & impressive work, btw!

  14. If exposure to non-whites doesn’t lead to racial consciousness in whites, what will?

    Paying the costs of globalism is what creates nationalism. Unz has pointed out that you do not necessarily pay that cost just by virtue of living in a region with a high alien concentration. This makes sense if 1) you live in an ultra-wealthy region (like California in general or Silicon Valley in particular), which is in fact one of the major beneficiaries of national plunder, and 2) if local whites have completely abandoned any efforts to pressure the aliens to assimilate, which is also the case with most urban whites.

    Meanwhile, in America at least, nationalism is expanding (albeit slowly) in the least diverse regions—because those are the regions that globalism is strip-mining, and they are also the regions that bear the full weight of the globalists’ moral outrage. Those are also the regions that still expect aliens to assimilate, and are alarmed by all the reports that aliens are in fact not assimilating. Incidentally, I expect exposure to aliens has a much bigger effect in Midwestern states since those states bear the burden of globalist economic strip-mining.

    So we have to have realistic expectations for urban whites (SJW or otherwise), particularly those in regions that benefit economically from globalism. Mere proximity is not going to convert them. In fact, like the inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorra, nothing will change until the fire and brimstone starts. Only rural America can be truly converted beforehand. Worrying about what Silicon Valley SJWs think about nationalism is kind of like worrying about what the inhabitants of the Titanic thought about iceberg-alarmists.

    By the way, congratulations on the blog move!

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  15. @Anon

    50 years from now, we’d be in the same exact position as we are today. Because inherent white ethnocentrism is low.

    No, Boomer ethnocentrism is low. Whites were a a heck of a lot more ethnocentric before that wicked and adulterous generation came along: we are just as inherently ethnocentric as everyone else–this was of course the source of all the INTRA-European ethnic conflict.

    Unfortunately, absent a major economic realignment (which could be caused by any number of factors), we will probably have to wait until the Boomers start to get senile before anything can seriously change.

    What really matters is prepping Zyklons and rightwing Millenials for localized national imperialism (e.g., limited to the nominal territory of the United States) so that we are ready for war when the Boomers finally go to meet their father below.

    • Replies: @216
    , @Corvinus
  16. @Rational

    Most girls I talk to tell me they will have a career first and will think of kids in their 40′s–when the ovaries are shut down!

    Cultures that are in principle unwilling to treat their women like property, regardless of the national cost, cannot survive. Fortunately, Christianity is perfectly compatible with national survival.

  17. @egregious philbin

    also, I’d bet SOUTHERN Illinois has NOT seen a decline. It’s much different from the urbanized north of the state. but i understand it all must be colored in. i like that you used brown as the color:)

  18. @Thinking

    Exactly. If every right-wing white couple in America had just one more child, that would have a huge effect on fertility. Potentially, that would add several million new whites into the system over the next decade.

    The white fertility is dropping (and is lower than the Hispanic fertility), but the Hispanic fertility is dropping at an astonishing rate. Just last week, I met two Hispanic sisters from California, aged 36 and 27. Neither had an any children, nor were they even married. They claimed to have had “too many partners to count.”

    As I’ve said before, low white fertility is a self-inflicted wound. Yes, things are more expensive nowadays. But, you don’t actually need a big house and 2 cars before you have children.

    Having children is the one thing they anti-white globalists cannot take from you. It’s easy to complain about mass immigration, but unless you have 3+ white children, can you really complain? Have you really done your part?

    So better get going and fill the country up with young right wing whites (and enjoy some good whacking while you’re at it).

  19. @rufus

    The goal must be to prevent these groups from entering and settling in the west and English speaking homelands.

    This point cannot be overemphasized. A large disproportion of the dark-skinned “migrants” who are settling in our homelands are virile young men who are very interested in our women. Hybridization may not be the deadliest form of genocide, but it is the most insidious.

    • Agree: Trevor H.
  20. @Doogie

    There are three people at a party.

    Doogie, John Doe, and myself

    Doogie says that the white people have only themselves to blame.

    John Doe says it’s all the Jews.

    Of course, you’re both wrong.

    The Jewish elite absolutely 100% wanted to “replace” Whitey.

    But WASP elites – like those weirdo Rockefellers – played along. And white people had to decide to abort and contracept themselves to death. First the Protestants gave in, then the Catholics gave in.

    But it’s a two-way street, Jew helping Goy kill himself.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @Trevor H.
    , @Doogie
  21. @egregious philbin

    Yes, it would be nice to see if there are sub-regional differences in the larger states.

    My home state – Pennsylvania – is one of the most diverse states for Caucasian culture. We have at least 5 different regional accents, and possibly more, just among whites. (I’m from south-central PA, and my accent is drastically different from those “coal crackers” up in Pottsville and Wilkes-Barre).

  22. 216 says:
    @Dissident Rite

    Perhaps I can recall data at a later point, but from my experience there is almost no presence of mainstream Boomer conservatism among those under 30. You are either far-left, left, center-left, or far right. The center-right has basically disappeared as there is no “woke conservatism”, I do forsee such a movement arising during the “Crisis of the 2020s”.

    Talk of war is terribly unproductive, especially on public phora. We can’t organize boycotts effectively. I’m guilty of the same myself. The leading argument against our politics is that when are views were last popular, the two world wars happened. Any hint that we would spark a third world war will see us sent to the dustbin.

    We are a small declining minority that is utterly despised by hundreds of millions, if not billions. I think it would be a better effort to try and make amends, before alienating allies.

  23. In fairness, the South is a lot nicer than the Great Lakes region, especially in the winter. Since air conditioning has become affordable the main thing keeping the northern states competitive as places to live for any race has been inertia.

    • Disagree: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @Thomm
  24. Corvinus says:
    @Rational

    “The Jewish war on whites has not just been in the form of importing 3rd world aliens, it has been brainwashing whites into cultural suicide.”

    This type of comment makes me laugh because of its sheer ridiculousness. Of course, if whites have been “brainwashed into cultural suicide”, that would mean they are not that smart, from an IQ standpoint, after all. But we know that white people on a daily basis make their own decisions regarding race and culture, so I imagine your virtue signaling and shaming is out of frustration and anger because of their liberty to think for themselves.

    “Fertility peaks in the 20’s. Most girls I talk to tell me they will have a career first and will think of kids in their 40′s–when the ovaries are shut down!”

    Unless you have six or more white children yourself, you are part of the problem.

    “That is their exact plan—white extinction as revenge for a host of real or imaginary historical conflicts, from the Romans to the Holocaust.”

    Anonym, War On Blair Mountain, and Rational are the same poster. Perhaps they are the creation of a Russian bot.

  25. Corvinus says:
    @Dissident Rite

    “Whites were a a heck of a lot more ethnocentric before that wicked and adulterous generation came along.”

    Indeed. WASPs in particular harbored resentment and hostility toward non-WASPs. The English were deathly concerned about German infusion into the body politic (refer to Benjamin Franklin’s sentiments). The Irish were deemed “drunkards and papists” by nativists. The Italians were well-regarded for their criminality and the Poles for their dullardness; hence, northern and western Europeans sought to limit their presence in their nation, i.e. America.

    “What really matters is prepping Zyklons and rightwing Millenials for localized national imperialism (e.g., limited to the nominal territory of the United States) so that we are ready for war.”

    What do you mean by “localized national imperialism”? Do you have the requisite intellectual horsepower and Daddy Warbucks deep pockets to create the requisite propaganda materials to convince the Millennials and Generation Z to be “soldiers” in this “war”?

    More importantly, are you going to lead the charge or be in the back of the line? Get your jackboots polished…

    • Replies: @Dissident Rite
  26. The US is a big, mostly empty country with a seemingly endless opportunity for white flight.

    Yes! Thank you. I have been saying that the next (current?) white flight will carry whites past the burbs and out of the metro altogether. The Maoists are in the cities. An archipelago in a sea of red. Whites are being forced out of urban corporate culture. Fortunately there is plenty of room for them in Red America. Secession will be the way forward for people who still want to be Americans in post imperial America.

    Sarah Palin got it right when she spoke of the “real” America. When the USA is just another big country in the Americas the lower 48 will balkanize. White America is not doomed. It just needs to down size.

    Teach your children it’s Okay to be white.
    Trump Palin 2020

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
  27. Corvinus says:
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    “Exactly. If every right-wing white couple in America had just one more child, that would have a huge effect on fertility. Potentially, that would add several million new whites into the system over the next decade.”

    So how many in your brood? Do you have at least four (white) children? Are you doing your part? And who is to say that your children will become “right-wing”? Should they not be able to make their own decisions when it comes to race and culture?

    “Just last week, I met two Hispanic sisters from California, aged 36 and 27. Neither had an any children, nor were they even married. They claimed to have had “too many partners to count.”

    Right, because they are going to reveal their relationship and sexual history to a relative stranger. Shouldn’t you have been home helping taking care of your (white) kids with your wife rather than chasing Latin poon?

  28. @Corvinus

    Do you have at least four white children?

    I have zero children, at the moment. However, I am in my (very) early twenties and fully plan on starting a family. Obviously this takes time, but my goal is to have 3 or 4 children. Any white person worth his or her salt should have the same goal.

    And who is to say your children will become right wing?

    I hate to break it to you, but almost every young white male, who isn’t studying arts in the big city (Toronto), is to some degree “right wing”. Whites are only starting to realize what’s happening in Canada. Whites are slowly drifting to the right on all issues, so having white children gives the best probability of creating future contributors to the white racial agenda, as well as fighting against demographic changes.

    rather than chasing Latin poon?

    I talk to all kinds of people, not usually for sex.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  29. @WorkingClass

    Teach your children it’s Okay to be white.

    New parents need to be *extremely* careful of what their childrens’ teachers are putting into their heads.

    I know of an eight year old boy in Canada. His teacher is a radical, anti-white feminist. The boys in the class are frequently admonished for having “toxic masculinity”. The white boys are lectured about their “white privilege”. History and social studies amount to learning why white people are evil, and how “Native” Americans are horribly oppressed. Games like dodgeball and soccer are banned – the children spend their time in gym class doing yoga (I’m not kidding).

    The math teaching is atrocious. “Discovery based math” should be changed to Retard Math. The teachers are very secretive about the curriculum and try to avoid sending controversial homework home, so the parents don’t see what their children are being taught.

    This sounds quite dystopian and comical, except that this is how children are being taught. In this boy’s case, he is lucky to have parents who are very watchful on the learning material, and frequently correct the teacher. However, this type of curriculum would be horribly insidious to somebody who had negligent parents.

    Yes, things are worse than we think. Do not be fooled, and do not be complacent when it comes to your child’s education.

  30. 216 says:
    @Corvinus

    So how many in your brood? Do you have at least four (white) children? Are you doing your part? And who is to say that your children will become “right-wing”? Should they not be able to make their own decisions when it comes to race and culture?

    Didn’t you get the message? We are importing Sharia law. They will not have that choice.

    • Replies: @Doogie
  31. J1234 says:

    Iowa is a bit a of a surprise at first glance, but maybe not so much upon further reflection. Farming is a hard game, and as someone who’s lived in a neighboring state of Iowa for long periods, it’s been my impression that Iowa farmers are, generally speaking, a little less prone to prosperity than farmers in surrounding states. Also, Iowa is a bit closer to larger urban migration centers (out of state) like Chicago, Minneapolis and Milwaukee than a lot of other states in the agricultural middle. That’s just speculation, though. There might be other reasons.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
  32. Travis says:

    The united States has less white people today under the age of 50 than we had in 1980.

    year – White pop …… Under 50 population
    2015 – 197 million — 140 million
    1980 – 181 million — 150 million

    for white Americans, 56 was the most common age in 2016.

    In fact there are less than 20 million White Americans 10 and under, while 31 million whites are in their fifties (like Steve Sailer)

    Decade … White Births
    1950’s – 35,000,000
    1960’s – 31,000,000
    1970’s – 25,000,000
    1980’s – 24,000,000
    1990’s – 23,000,000
    2000’s – 21,000,000
    last decade – 19,900,000

    There almost 60 million whites between the ages of 50-70 but just 45 million whites under the age of 20 and 50 million between the ages of 20-40. Whites are aging and dying-off. In absolute numbers there will be less whites in America in 2030 than we had in 1980.

  33. @Travis

    And this is in America, which has one of the highest white birth rates in the world. Imagine how Germany looks.

    If you’re white, and have no children, you are a failure.

    • Agree: Peter Akuleyev
    • Replies: @Mitleser
  34. Trevor H. says:
    @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    You are right of course, and yet your analysis still underplays the degree to which mass-media propaganda is pervasive–and pernicious. Moreover, how sophisticated it’s become. People think they’re exercising free will when they’re really not. It’s a bit facile to blame them.

  35. Doogie says:
    @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    You can’t prove any of that, and at the end of the day it doesn’t matter what some mystical “elites” “wanted”. People are responsible for their own decisions. Regular everyday white women chose not to have children, chose to initiate the majority of divorces for trivial reasons in the 1980s when the rate was 50%, and even in cases when they divorced for non-trivial reasons, it was often for violence that they provoked. Most of this is verifiable with readily available statistics that anyone can easily find.

    White women are notoriously difficult to be around. You don’t need an elite conspiracy for that one either; it is natural and everybody knows it, and has experienced it. Perhaps there are exceptions, and they should be recognized for their humanity, but the majority are indeed insufferable and chose by their own volitional will not to have children (to advance their careers and education).

    And now the people putting the final nail in the coffin are people such as you, who completely and utterly deflect all attention from white females back on to white males and “Jews”. While the alt-Right continues to focus all of its attention toward minority crime (plummeting) and “racial tension” (never been lower), white women continue to get away with the crime — unchecked, unnoticed, unapprehended. It’s why I’ve accepted the fact that white America as you define it is an evolutionary dead end.

    • Troll: Mr McKenna
  36. Doogie says:
    @216

    I’m not sure if you’re being sarcastic, but Sharia Law would be GREAT. Look at how many whites are dropping dead like FLIES from alcohol abuse, look at how many come from broken families of the 1980s and 1990s, notice the utter impunity that white women have for walking around in booty shorts, with fake hair coloring, tattoos, etc. That’s why I LAUGH hysterically at conservacucks who are paranoid about Sharia Law. It’s possibly the only cure-all for the sickness thst is pervasive in America. It just goes to show how all this resistance to admitting the truth is about shame, paranoia and pride.

    I tell you one thing, I’ll be among the first to be joining the morality police when Sharia finally gets here. And I own Dragon Skin body armor and a select-fire Glock, for the white knights who want to defend these roasties to the bitter end.

  37. i don’t think this is accurate for west virginia. people just leave there, period. it’s not growing, it’s shrinking. so it’s definitely not the case that 100% of population growth here is due to the vibrant. there is no population growth in WV. there are very few vibrants in WV. and every year, there are fewer natives.

    anybody with anything on the ball leaves WV. one wealthy small business owner from WV married into our PA family and never moved back, another family friend left WV permanently after graduating from a PA university and now runs an independent business in PA.

    it’s really bad down there. i find all the scholastic and academic surveys to be accurate. it’s totally believable that the difference in capability between the 18 year olds in MA versus WV is 8 or 9 points on a wechsler. all you have to do is get off an interstate in WV and it will be immediately apparent.

    east kentucky is in a similar state of total decline. as is southeast ohio, although to a lesser extent.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  38. also, not all europeans will react the smart way to vibrants. the french and the swedish are exposed to them every day, and haven’t changed course much at all. so there’s no guarantee they will finally realize they are the frog in the boiling water. just as there’s no guarantee in the US or canada or australia that the great majority of the citizens will wake up one day. some of them won’t wake up, no matter what.

    the hard truth is that that probably 30% of the european population is a write off, and will have to disappear, to cull those genes that make them indifferent to a massive vibrants presence.

    south africa is only moderately instructive in this case. a lot of europeans do want to leave now, but are having a hard time of it. the hard truth in south africa is that a small number of europeans can keep even a 90% african nation going, although barely. they’re outnumbered 10 to 1 by pure blooded africans, but manage to keep things sort of running. that’s really depressing. that means the US will be somewhat functional for a long, long way down. but it also means, many productive europeans WILL head for the exits, too.

    for the united states, i suggest the concept of mules – european men will become mules, and will be used to do the heavy lifting, while the vibrants surf on their work and tax output. mules will be required grow all the food, build all the cities, cure all the disease, fight all the wars, pay all the taxes, and in return, they’ll be kicked.

    our future is much more likely to be mules, than to witness a revolution of european men fighting, resisting, and breaking away from billions of third worlders who want to turn them into mules. i hope for the latter, but expect the former.

    • Replies: @216
  39. 216 says:
    @prime noticer

    From the perspective of the elite, Asians are superior to whites. IQ and docility are higher, while social dysfunction is lower. They also rarely balk at higher taxes. To top it off, even alt-right white males tend to prefer Asian women. So in terms of mules, whites are not as desirable, what with their tendency to prefer things like labor unions and smaller government.

    Increased AI and automation may obviate the need for large amounts of coolie labor. Which is not to say that coolies still wouldn’t be demanded as servants (status symbol). Part of the complaints from liberal think tanks has been that certain strata of white males are unwilling to work low-paying “streotypically femine” jobs like health aids. Pajeet won’t have the same resistance.

  40. @egregious philbin

    I’d take your bet. I looked at the Wikipedia pages for the three largest cities in the UP and all of them show a population decline between 2000 and 2010.

    Rural areas all over are depopulating. Down in Appalachian SE Ohio where I live a lot of the small towns are becoming ghost towns, especially those that survived on mining.

  41. 216 says:

    O/T

    Read this thread if you want to know why conservatives suck at culture wars.

    The, ahem, “intolerant right” displays far worse than tolerance to its ideological opposites in entertainment, it outright affirms them.

    The left boycotts at the drop of a hat, and their anger gets results.

  42. Anon[174] • Disclaimer says:

    CA is a strange case bec so mamy whites are armenian russian iraniqn etc. Then there is a lot of churn with leftish whites moving in and non lefts moving out. Plus the older pop doesnt wxperience the discrimantion and school isssues as younger whites and there are lots of older whites in ca not so many younger.

  43. “Ron points out that even as California has become considerably less white over the last fifty years, white racial consciousness has even less purchase in the state now than it did then.”

    No, neither this article nor his post-election article make this point. If either did, they would be fat-out wrong. (And, yes, Unz’s post-election article is a pure work of fantasy that could only be produced in a Silicon Valley bubble.) As a California native who currently resides in Los Angeles, I can tell you that this “point” is nonsense. People who are my generation (Gen X) or Boomers (like Unz) were never racially conscious and never will be. However, anyone who knows Gen Z/Millennial Whites here, knows they fall in one of two camps, and center-left or center-right aren’t one of the options. If Unz thinks Whites being racially-conscious translates into voting for Republicans, he is as much of a clueless Boomer as he appears.

    • Replies: @Doogie
    , @Audacious Epigone
  44. Doogie says:
    @Roberto D'Aubuisson

    Gen X were unborn or small children approximately 50 years ago, boomers would have been adolescents/teens. They weren’t a part of the state’s consciousness back then. The adults back then (born ca. 1900-1930) were indeed more racially conscious. As is typical of Ron’s opponents you’re basically just being a contrarian, and in true self-obsessed GenX fashion you even inserted yourself in to an era you had no part in.

  45. @Doogie

    I’ve got three (young) kids. So there’ll be fewer but better whites!

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
  46. @216

    So in terms of mules, whites are not as desirable, what with their tendency to prefer things like labor unions and smaller government.

    And that’s exactly why they want to wipe us off the planet. Whites are the only race that prefer to not be mules. Other races have varying degrees of IQ, but are all collectivists.

  47. @Reg Cæsar

    And why not bump that number up to 4? We need reinforcements.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  48. @Jay Fink

    “All those risky behaviors you mention are personal choices. Nobody forces whites to do any of them and many in fact don’t do them.”

    When you are talking about populations, you are in the realm of statistics. Individual behaviour might be the result of individual choices, but it is the aggregate level patterns of those choices that count.

    Think of HIV or any other sexually transmitted disease. We could say “well, someone who practices safe sexual hygiene will be fine”. That doesn’t dispense with the policy issue, since a certain percentage of people will make bad choices, leaving us with a society-scale problem.

    Promoting unhealthy lifestyles is much the same. Some people will ignore the propaganda, but others will change their behaviour and make sub-optimal choices for themselves. The aggregate impact can be quite profound, and it is no defense to say “people have free will” when you are consciously trying to change behaviour on a population level. This is particularly so with respect to propaganda that influences the decision making process itself.

    Humans are not rational, disembodied Cartesian minds. They are subject to a host of influences, including incentive structures, peer pressure, social norms, culture, etc.

  49. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    And why not bump that number up to 4? We need reinforcements.

    I agree, but it takes two to tangle.

  50. earl1812 says:
    @Charles Pewitt

    great points Charles Pewitt. There are many advantages resulting from the 2016-2018 cycle. 1) Hillary did not win, 2) Trump exposed the worthless GOP for what they are – all talk and no action, 3) the public learned what Freedom Caucus stands for, and 4) setting the stage for a 3rd political party that’s pro-American.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
  51. @Rational

    The Judaists are the scorpion in Aesop’s fable, then, because they’re not having children either.

    • Replies: @earl1812
  52. @Thinking

    Indeed, the solution to the Great Replacement is simple:

    1) A moratorium on immigration lasting at least one generation
    2) The repatriation of all non-citizens from the US
    3) Native fertility back to at least replacement level

    Not easy, but simple.

    • Replies: @densa
  53. @egregious philbin

    Do you have county-level data from 1970? I just have state-level so I’m not able to do that atm.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
  54. @Dissident Rite

    Is this the Dissident Right who is quite familiar with Vox Day? Glad to see you if so! And if not, heh.

    • Replies: @Dissident Rite
  55. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    Take it from the godfather, Jared Taylor, who has repeatedly said his greatest regret in life is having only had two children. Just last week he said he wished he’d had five or six!

    There is no greater expression of love for yourself and your people than procreation. Kids are great. I have three and am determined to have at least one more.

    • Replies: @Thomm
    , @Mr. XYZ
    , @Stan d Mute
  56. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    A huge influence in our choice of ‘until retirement’ house was the public school track it’d put our kids on. Even so, we’re prepared to home school at the drop of a hat if necessary.

  57. @Travis

    As goes California, so goes the country…

  58. @prime noticer

    West Virginia only added 50,000 people over the last fifty years, or a whopping 1,000 per year on average. But the state lost n-H whites, so it is still accurate to attribute the entirety of that modest annual growth to non-whites.

  59. @216

    Which is not to say that coolies still wouldn’t be demanded as servants (status symbol).

    Like the late republic and imperial period of Rome.

    • Replies: @216
  60. @Roberto D'Aubuisson

    Good catch. He does make this point, I assure you, though the forum isn’t public.

  61. @216

    I must say that I don’t know what “Far Right” means. Many think that the Nazis were far right, but how could that be since they were National Socialists? If you go from a spectrum where the Far Left believes in an all-powerful state (communism), and the Far Right believes in little government, then clearly the far right are Libertarians, the champions of unbridled capitalism. (Anarchists, who believe in no government, live in a fantasy world).

    Rather than far right, which is highly pejorative, a better term is just Nationalists or Populists. For example, if you listen to the ideas of thinkers like Richard Spencer and Eric Striker, it is hard to view them as far right. Both are in favor of national health care and student loan forgiveness, while they are anti-interventionist abroad. They may favor whites, but I don’t think that either is pushing for a violent race war.

    • Replies: @216
    , @earl1812
    , @Dissident Rite
  62. SafeNow says:

    With the Whites replaced, will be the airline pilots or the air traffic controllers? Who will be the rescue swimmers or ocean lifeguards? Who will be the fine-finish carpenters or plumbers? Who will be the veterinarians or heart surgeons? Who will read the traditional literary works? Who will be conscientious and proficient…at anything at all. Who will be polite?

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  63. earl1812 says:
    @Audacious Epigone

    just curious about the scorpion in Aesop’s Fable . Is that your opinion or is there some history on that? However the theme seems to be accurate.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  64. 216 says:
    @Audacious Epigone

    In a BBC interview broadcast in April 2012, he said he lived in an all-white neighbourhood. He had five servants, three coloured and two black: “We are one great big family together; we have the best of relationships.” About Nelson Mandela, he said, “When Mandela goes it will be a moment when all South Africans put away their political differences, will take hands, and will together honour maybe the biggest known South African that has ever lived

    FW De Klerk

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F._W._de_Klerk#cite_note-103

    (it’s wiki, and they don’t link to the original broadcast, so I can’t vouch the veracity)

  65. lhtness says:

    A few months back, I was playing around with the SSA names data, and I thought it would be fun to use it as a proxy for number of births per year. By that measure, the birth rate (in absolute terms) maxed out in 1957. Numbers I’ve seen since (from the CDC) shows something pretty similar, although the data was from a graph rather than a pdf. I was absolutely shocked when I saw this, but perhaps I shouldn’t have been. (Of the inventions from the 50s, perhaps it was the pill rather than the H-bomb that spelled the end of human civilization?)

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  66. earl1812 says:

    this website is great. It’s like finding human white life on another planet. I am not alone. Thank you VDARE.com

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
  67. 216 says:
    @follyofwar

    Almost everyone that posts here is “far-right” in the popular imagination, probably Feryl is the only one that identifies as “left” and would be considered left by normies. What I meant in the first post was that there are almost no “Millenial cuckservatives” that are not in some fashion being paid. You either:
    -support Trump (far-right)
    -oppose Trump, favor socialism (Far left , Left )
    -oppose Trump, favor neoliberalism (Center-Left)

    There is no real constituency in Millenials of what I have called “Woke Conservatism”, or what a Rubio (center-right) 2020 campaign would be run on. Ben Shapiro would need to make some backflips to frontrun this movement. This is currently a gap in the political spectrum, but it might never be filled if we get a recession and socialism crowds out everything else.

    “Left” and “Right” represent real principles, though they are not the sole axes of politics. Politics is a spectrum of multiple axes.

    “Far Right” to me means supporting Louis XX getting his throne back. I happen to agree with that. On fiscal matter, I consider myself left-of-center.

  68. Thomm says:
    @Audacious Epigone

    Take it from the godfather, Jared Taylor, who has repeatedly said his greatest regret in life is having only had two children. Just last week he said he wished he’d had five or six!

    He certainly should have had more, given the positive example he is. However, I bet that he ends up with four or fewer grandkids. His kids won’t heed his regret.

    On another note, fertility is collapsing even in places that had very high fertility recently. Among the Duggar and Bates families, the second gen seem inclined to have two each on average. For each outlier than has five (like Josh Duggar), there is a sister who still had none as of age 28.

    It seems that each family will end up with about 40-50 grandkids. I was hoping each kid would have 19 so that each family has a total of 361 grandkids.

    • Replies: @216
  69. Thomm says:
    @Corvinus

    And who is to say that your children will become “right-wing”?

    Keep in mind that Race Nationalism is not a right-wing ideology, but a left-wing one. Their economic views are very left wing, which is the primary determinant of where an ideology resides on the spectrum (at least as per the US definition). That their arch-enemies are another type of leftism does not mean they are not themselves leftist in nature.

    For example, Nazi Germany was actually a left-wing regime.

    • Replies: @A Random Dude
  70. At the moment, citizens of Latin American countries, paid by federal & state government to reproduce in California, may or may not cause white US citizens much grief, particularly if the whites are rich. Rich Californians will never have to compete with welfare-assisted immigrants for Spanish-speakers-needed jobs. Rich Californians will never have to compete with hordes of immigrants for rental units, while struggling to cover the cost of housing on earned-only income. Rent is driven higher when so many immigrants compete for units.

    Wages are driven down for welfare-ineligible citizens when 55% of the womb-productive legal / illegal immigrants are able to work for beans due to multiple welfare streams that, as long as they stay under the income limits for the programs by working part time or in temp jobs, increase the more kids they produce. No wonder they are so fertile; over half of them are paid by government per piece to reproduce. They are redefining the concept of piecework.

    As whites vacate California, looking for states where housing does not consume so much of their earned-only income, CA consumes more and more of the national welfare pie. The Census Bureau puts majority-non-white CA as the largest consumer of welfare.

    The Supplemental report from the Census Bureau is more honest than most poverty reports. It counts unearned income from government, but it does not count the copious cash assistance, given to many womb-productive citizens and noncitizens by taxpayers. Nor does it count their up to $6,431 in refundable child tax credit money.

    CA has spent well over $900 billion on pay-per-birth freebies for citizens and noncitizens during the last couple of decades. At some point, the profligate spending will likely cause white, brown and Black Californians plenty of trouble, especially since taxpayers’ investment in the womb production of noncitizens does not always circulate in the US economy. I wonder how many of those welfare-for-womb-productivity dollars were not spent in CA, but instead sent out of the state in remittances to Mexico.

    When it comes time to pay the piper, in the event of some sort of economic calamity, the federal government’s bail-out wing couldn’t even tax Bezos’ vast fortune, making even a dent in the black hole of CA’s welfare expenditure. The country’s richest man is now under $100 billion, whereas CA spent over $900 billion in the last twenty-some years, just for the privilege of paying citizens and noncitizens to reproduce in-between temp jobs or while working part-time in single-breadwinner households.

    CA could have a pension crisis at any time, with many of the government employees who made sure that legal / illegal immigrants got their pay for sex and reproduction from government in a timely manner demanding that their pension contracts be honored. Since economists are obsessed with population growth in and of itself, they must think they can tax all of those under-18 birthright citizens to cover the crisis, even though most of them won’t be working—won’t be generating any taxable income—for many years.

    Economists think a high, welfare-fueled birth rate means a panacea of youth, preparing to enter the labor force pronto as soon as they are grown, paying into the system and supporting the old. In the USA, most young people, including the US-born kids of illegal aliens, do not start working full time even at 18.

    But all during their upbringing, many of their parents—whether or not they are citizens—receive hundreds in monthly food assistance, hundreds in monthly cash assistance, rental assistance, electricity assistance and bigly $6,431 refundable child tax credit checks, in addition to all the money spent by government to educate their children.

    Politicians won’t be able to demand shared sacrifice from the US-born under-18 welfare tickets of illegal aliens any more than they are able to collect taxes from their welfare-spending noncitizen parents who often work mostly under the table. That is how they stay under the income limits for welfare in traceable income.

    When the economic collapse comes, the lauded non-white population numbers will probably go down in CA, with the proportion of whites rising, as illegal aliens head south of the border.

  71. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    New parents need to be *extremely* careful of what their childrens’ teachers are putting into their heads.

    Public school is child abuse. Homeschool or die.

  72. @Corvinus

    You are a traitor and you have to go back, Corvie.

  73. @follyofwar

    I must say that I don’t know what “Far Right” means. Many think that the Nazis were far right, but how could that be since they were National Socialists?

    “Far Right” means:
    1) Christian or at least accepting of Christian moral supremacy
    2) Nationalist
    3) Broadly anti-Enlightenment
    4) Accepting that radical change is justified

    I, for example, am Far Right.

    The only spectrum of “Right – Left” that is coherent is Christian vs. Non-Christian, where Non-Christian may mean any number of things: Liberal-Apostate “Christian”/Judeo-Christian, Atheist/Liberal-Progressive, Zionist, International Socialist, National Socialist, Neo-Pagan Pan-White Unitarian, etc. The question is, who or what is your God? The Right worships Christ. The Left does not. Unfortunately, while most of the “Christians” allied with the Left are in fact antichrists, there are a few genuine Christians allied with the Left. They are traitors who will justly suffer for their crimes.

    However, the “Nationalist – Globalist” spectrum, which at this point is far more immediately relevant, exists independently of the “Right – Left” divide. The war is not going to be fought between the Left and the Right per se, but between Globalists and Nationalists. There will be atheists and Christians on both sides.

    For example, if you listen to the ideas of thinkers like Richard Spencer and Eric Striker, it is hard to view them as far right.

    You would not be the first to observe this…

  74. @216

    from my experience there is almost no presence of mainstream Boomer conservatism among those under 30. You are either far-left, left, center-left, or far right.

    Agree.

    Talk of war is terribly unproductive, especially on public phora. We can’t organize boycotts effectively. I’m guilty of the same myself. The leading argument against our politics is that when are views were last popular, the two world wars happened. Any hint that we would spark a third world war will see us sent to the dustbin.

    What? Literally no one cares about those arguments except conservative Christian Baby Boomers. Zyklons need only one argument: “This is our land, and no one else has any claim on it, period.”

    We are a small declining minority that is utterly despised by hundreds of millions, if not billions. I think it would be a better effort to try and make amends, before alienating allies.

    What? The Chinese, Africans, Hindus, and Hispanics don’t despise us any more or any less than they despise any of their other enemies and rivals. We are far less a minority than many other nations that have successfully defended their homelands against foreign influence (c.f., the Russians, the Israelis, the Iraqis, the Irish, the Afganhis, et cetera) and we have vastly more military potential than almost all of those nations. All we lack is the will to fight. And that will change when the Boomers die.

    The only groups that hate us are the principled practitioners of Judaism, the Globo-Satanic Elites, and the SJWs. But none of these groups outnumber us, and they’re all heavy on influence but light on real power. Also there are apparently some African-Americans and Mexicans who hate us. Neither group has any influence or power.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @216
  75. @Rational

    Spot on. The jews are the white man’s true enemy. The jews weaponized their fellow non-Caucasians against white, Christian, Gentile Heritage America. The jews have to go. They have Israel now. Let them go there and kill the Palestinian Arabs whose land they stole.

  76. 216 says:
    @Dissident Rite

    What? Literally no one cares about those arguments except conservative Christian Baby Boomers. Zyklons need only one argument: “This is our land, and no one else has any claim on it, period.”

    In a country where evangelicals are demonized, and Jews are praised, it is useless to score cheap hits by using “Zyklon”. All that does is scare off any normies that CrimeStop whenever they see something “neo-nazi”.

    For reasons I’ve explained before, I don’t think war is likely, or even partition. Most white conservatives will not risk their lifestyle, and when the Boomers are done the GOP is demographically finished unless one or more groups breaks off from the intersectional coalition. While Boomers still inhabit a 90% white world, Millenials and Zeds don’t. Sorry to say this, but they are acclimated to being a minority.

    The tendency that we observe is that children often echo their parents political views, until the institutions of higher indoctrination change them. And arguably this now extends into WokeCapital. Boomers couldn’t do much here, why would GenX and Millennial parents? The individualistic tendency of conservatives works against the easiest solution, which is to form the despised “safe spaces”. Conservatives also have the remarkable ability to be individualist, but also conformist. Without Trump, we’d have WokeJeb or WokeMarco.

    We don’t have a single F500, or a single R1, we can’t manage to effectively boycott anything, nor are we able to punish any outbreaks of anti-white sentiment. We are male-dominated movements that attract the worst kind of female self-promoters. We have a notable amount of white men chasing Asian women, but I highly doubt that an Asian male with a white female would ever join these movements. We’re not in any position to “fight for independence”, even if the economy collapses.

    • Replies: @Dissident Rite
  77. Corvinus says:
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    “I hate to break it to you, but almost every young white male, who isn’t studying arts in the big city (Toronto), is to some degree “right wing”. Whites are only starting to realize what’s happening in Canada. Whites are slowly drifting to the right on all issues, so having white children gives the best probability of creating future contributors to the white racial agenda, as well as fighting against demographic changes.”

    Keep telling yourself that, Dorothy.

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
  78. 216 says:
    @Thomm

    IIRC, one of the families was at a certain point not fundamentalist, and temporarily used birth control before having some kind of conversion against its use. That explains in part why the oldest children act a bit differently. There was also some scandal that enveloped those two, I always found them creepy.

    • Replies: @Thomm
  79. Corvinus says:
    @Dissident Rite

    “You are a traitor and you have to go back, Corvie.”

    LOL, see all Normies have to do is show other Normies such comments, and you’re recruiting days are numbered. We have the liberty to make our own decisions regarding race and culture, and that concept really bothers you; hence, you must resort to virtue signaling.

    ““Far Right” means: 1) Christian or at least accepting of Christian moral supremacy; 2) Nationalist; 3) Broadly anti-Enlightenment; 4) Accepting that radical change is justified”

    That is what Far Right means to YOU. YOU do not exclusively determine its meaning.

    “Zyklons need only one argument: “This is our land, and no one else has any claim on it, period.”

    So how to you propose to convince them? What are your means of propaganda? What happens if they resist?

    “we have vastly more military potential than almost all of those nations. All we lack is the will to fight. And that will change when the Boomers die.”

    If you have this alleged military potential, then use it now. And if you have this supposed will to fight, what are you waiting for? Oh, for the “Boomers to die”? LOL. So you’re going to wait another 20 years before you make your mark. Meanwhile, “your” world will continue to spiral out of control. You’re nothing but an impotent, armchair QB, and fortunately, you lack the guile and gumption to pull a St. Brievik.

    • Replies: @Thomm
    , @Dissident Rite
  80. Svigor says:
    @Jay Fink

    Nobody forces Jews to live around Whites. Pogroms = personal choices of Jews.

    • Replies: @Jay Fink
  81. Mitleser says:
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    Imagine how Germany looks.

    Currently, not much worse than non-hispanic whites’ 1,67 TFR.

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/226292/us-fertility-rates-by-race-and-ethnicity/

  82. From 1970 to 2018, California lost 427,000 whites while adding an utterly transformative 20,250,000 non-whites.

    The heterogeneity of “white” masks the fact that many WASPs left California and were replaced by whites from MENA and Caucasus.
    From wikipedia:
    715,000 Arabs
    500,000 Iranians
    50,000 Afghans
    600,000 Armenians

    Turkish Americans and Azerbaijani Americans form moderately-sized communities

    No idea what that means for wikipedia
    3,2% of total population has Judaism as religion and 1% Islam.
    These are categories counted as white for now. Obama wanted a MENA category in the 2020 census but Trump stopped the change.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
  83. bj says:
    @songbird

    Atlanta and Dallas are the preferred destinations of blacks fleeing California. Hispanics are not subject to white guilt and on the street push blacks out of the barrios.

    Another reason blacks are leaving California is the high cost of living. The Hispanics still have an intact family structure, which allows them to better bear the high cost of living in the Golden State.

  84. @SafeNow

    In the USA, the answer to many of those questions may be “Asian and White/Asian people, if anyone.”

  85. densa says:
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    Agree. The schools are toxic and getting worse. Good school ratings, the one liberals use to move their kids to because higher ratings just happen to correlate with race, are now jiggered up or down depending on “diversity.” Thus a school good at education but all white will show a lower rating than before, just to make it harder.

  86. densa says:
    @Audacious Epigone

    Nooo, not easy. The tricky bit would be getting consensus on the fact that a) we have a country, b) we never had a referendum on giving it away, and c) no matter how much you despise your fellow white countrymen, you have no right to go ahead and do so anyway.

  87. Thomm says:
    @216

    There was also some scandal that enveloped those two, I always found them creepy.

    The ‘scandal’ was entirely manufactured. The SJWs hate them and wanted them off the air, so dug up something where the oldest brother was taking pictures of his sisters naked or something. That brother is nonetheless a married man with five children today.

    The point is, with both families, there seems to be almost no interest among the children in having an outsize number of children themselves. The Fertility Rate of the two families combined has dropped from 19 to what appears to be trending towards just 2.5 in a single generation.

    • Replies: @216
  88. @earl1812

    I mean that if it is in the 2%’s nature to strike whitey, it’s going to be their undoing. What do you mean by history? Of the comparison? If so, probably in some corner of the internet, yeah!

  89. @lhtness

    Pat Buchanan has called it the suicide pill of the West. Yes, that pill.

  90. Thomm says:
    @Corvinus

    That is what Far Right means to YOU. YOU do not exclusively determine its meaning.

    Indeed. To me (and most of my fellow Americans), ‘right’ means small government, low taxes, free markets. ‘Left’ means big government/controlled economy.

    Race Trashionalists have very left-wing economic views. Their affinity for Bernie Sanders is far too high for any claim of being part of the ‘right’ to have merit. Hence, they are merely another form of leftism.

    To disagree is to simultaneously assert that Nazi Germany was right-wing (when it was in fact left-wing), and to deny that the KKK was tied to Democrats for a century.

  91. Thomm says:

    Relevant to the original article, note that the ‘loss’ of many white people in CA is really just their diffusion into a half-white population.

    States that have not had a lot of blacks historically (and thus may not have had heavy anti-miscegenation laws) are the ones with the highest incident of interracial births. Almost all of the interracial births have one white parent (a white who breeds with a Mexican will produce offspring that are ~70% white, 25% MesoAmerican, and 5% black). Appearance-wise, they are similar to Italians.

    The stupid title of the chart draws attention to Hawaii, but far more interesting are CA and other nearby states.

    89% of all intermarriage has one white partner :

    • Replies: @216
  92. @Thomm

    I agree with you on this, except for the part about Nazi Germany (which was a mixture of both social democracy and Dreher’s “crunchy con”). I also expect you will get roasted in here for stating such.

  93. 216 says:
    @Thomm

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bringing_Up_Bates

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/19_Kids_and_Counting

    Comparing age gaps among the married

    Bates: (4, 5, 5, 1, nil, 4, 3) In all cases except one, the female was younger than the male. Average of 3

    Duggar (nil, 2, -3, 6, 4, 3, 3, 2) Average of 2.125, one odd case of the female being more than 2 years older.

    The patriarch of both families is presumably quite wealthy enough to afford having this many children. The succeding generation is nowhere near the level of financial stability, so they will be spacing out births more. (Guess): There’s been a shift towards longer breastfeeding over the decades, which suppresses fertility. I’m unsure if there has existed a fundamentalist taboo against baby formula in favor of breastfeeding.

    Has either family suffered a “defector”?

    As reality show southern evangelicals go, they haven’t adopted any children AFIAK, unlike the Duck Dynasty people.

  94. 216 says:
    @Thomm

    Almost all of the interracial births have one white parent (a white who breeds with a Mexican will produce offspring that are ~70% white, 25% MesoAmerican, and 5% black). Appearance-wise, they are similar to Italians.

    Nick the Knife

  95. Mr. XYZ says:

    @Audacious Epigone: If it’s not too much trouble, would you be willing to make a map which shows the exact percentage change in the non-Hispanic White population by U.S. state over the last 48 (or 49) years?

    Your map above is interesting, but not as informative as one would like considering that it only shows whether there was an increase or a decrease–as opposed to showing the percentage of increase or decrease.

    Also, one more point–I’m not entirely sure that it is fair to say that Whites are dying out in most of the Northern U.S. as well as in California. Rather, the Whites there might simply be moving to other U.S. states.

    • Replies: @216
    , @Audacious Epigone
  96. Mr. XYZ says:
    @SIMPLEPseudonymicHandle

    Why’d Trump refuse to agree to a MENA category in 2020? After all, one would think that the smaller the White percentage is, the more Trump’s base would be worried–something which should be good for Trump.

  97. @Thomm

    For example, Nazi Germany was actually a left-wing regime.

    Yikes. I thought people were smarter than this in The Year Of Our Lord 2019?

  98. Nazi Germany was actually a funky combination of left-wing social democracy and “crunchy con” traditionalism. In other words, it was both left and right wing. However, it was purely “illiberal” in the lockean definition of liberalism. Hitler hated both Bolshevism as well as what he called “Anglo-American capitalism. Hitler rejected the latter exclusively because of its inherent dynamism. Hitler did not believe in dynamism in the Virginia Postrel sense (The Future and its Enemies).

    Read both “Mein Kampf” and the second book and you will see what I mean.

    • Replies: @Thomm
    , @Dissident Rite
  99. Thomm says:
    @Abelard Lindsey

    However, it was purely “illiberal” in the lockean definition of liberalism.

    Well, everything about the modern left is equally illiberal under the Lockean definition.

    Both the SJW left and the Nationalist-Leftists.

  100. Thomm says:
    @Jokah Macpherson

    Since air conditioning has become affordable the main thing keeping the northern states competitive as places to live for any race has been inertia.

    I don’t think so, and I am from the Great Lakes Region. Quite a few white people prefer the wintry climate, even in Minnesota. Note that Canadians are not draining out of Canada en masse to immigrate to the US and live below 38 North Latitude.

    It does make sense for blacks to vacate the North and return to the South, though.

  101. 216 says:
    @Mr. XYZ

    Not a single “white” country has a fertility rate above replacement. Not unless you count Israel and Chechnya as white.

    So while “dying out” in terms of absolute decline has not occured in the entirety of the US white population, the fertility rates project that it will happen. Japan only started “dying out” two years ago in terms of absolute decline, and their fertilty has been below ours for much longer.

    Some state migration is due to retirement, others to chasing jobs in the growing Sun Belt where the cost of living is lower than the Northeast.

    It is not hard to imagine that in 100 years we could lose all our countries.

  102. The interesting about Nazi history is that Ernst Rohm, the founder of the SA, was very much a leftist. He took the socialism part of national-socialism more seriously than the rest of the Nazi leadership. His mistake was to want to roll in the Wehrmacht, which was about 100,000 men, into the SA, which consisted of about 2.5 to 3 million men. The Wehrmacht would have been completely swallowed by the SA if Rohm had had his way. The military establishment were dead set against this and petitioned Hitler not to allow Rohm to do this. Rohm wanted to nationalize a lot of industry as well, which the leading industrialists opposed to this as well. It is for these, as well as other reasons, that Rohm and his inside group were killed in the “Night of the Long Knives” in, I think, 1934.

  103. Jay Fink says:
    @Svigor

    Jews are white.

    • Agree: Thomm
    • Replies: @Svigor
    , @Tacman
  104. @Mr. XYZ

    Yes, something to that effect. I’m not done with these numbers. They were too jarring for me (and I’m waist-deep in this sort of thing on a regular basis!).

  105. @216

    Fortunately, all your conclusions are wrong. I think you should get out more. Read Vox Day. Listen to Benjamin Owen. Go to a gun range and bask in the radiance of white firepower. Don’t be so depressed. There is a reason why we Christians are fired up. I mean geeze, if you’re not going to become a Christian, at least become a hedonist! 🙂

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
    • LOL: Svigor
    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  106. @Corvinus

    you lack the guile and gumption to pull a St. Brievik.

    Haven’t you heard? Antisemitism is on the rise everywhere. Shooting up synagogues is just a normal part of life in Post-Christian America. Thanks to Judeo-Secularists relentlessly pushing secular-atheism into public schools for the last 40+ years, we now have a sizable population of American Brieviks. At least you atheists are good for something!

    • Replies: @Svigor
    , @Corvinus
  107. @Thomm

    Indeed. To me (and most of my fellow Americans), ‘right’ means small government, low taxes, free markets.

    Right up until they find out that abortion, gay marriage, no-fault divorce, and religious liberty for Muslims are supposedly “right-wing” values. Nah. Conservative Christians, on the other hand, are and will remain single the biggest group group associated with the Right.

    To disagree is to simultaneously assert that Nazi Germany was right-wing (when it was in fact left-wing), and to deny that the KKK was tied to Democrats for a century.

    Nope. Nazi Germany was antiChristian, ergo: leftwing, not rightwing. The Democrat Party was not, until the 1960s, an inherently Leftwing party. It was the party of Southern Nationalism that coopted a diverse coalition of anti-Republicans. Eventually, enough left-liberals joined that they took over. Then the Southern Nationalists switched to the Republican Party.

    • Replies: @Svigor
  108. @Thomm

    Well, everything about the modern left is equally illiberal under the Lockean definition.

    Both the SJW left and the Nationalist-Leftists.

    Classical liberalism is literally the only thing keeping Christians from legally wiping out SJWs. Because, according to classical liberalism, SJWs…and socialists…communists…possess “universal human rights”. Lol.

    Christians agreed to classical liberalism because it seemed like a good thing at the time. Of course, classical liberalism has turned out to be a death pact. Fortunately, unlike the Secular Right, the Christian Right answers to a higher moral authority than Locke.

  109. @Abelard Lindsey

    Nazi Germany was actually a funky combination of left-wing social democracy and “crunchy con” traditionalism. In other words, it was both left and right wing.

    Nope.

    This is another failure point of the “Right – Left” divide, confusing “traditionalism” with “rightwing”.

    The essence of the Right is Christian moral supremacy. Not “tradition”, not “liberty” or “classical liberalism”, not “limited government”. Now, the Right tends to favor all these things, at least to some degree, insofar as they serve Christian moral ideals.

    But once you throw out Christian moral ideals (e.g., the Nazis), you are no longer part of the Right.

    People tend to get confused because:
    1) Non-Christians hate each other and kill each other for a variety of reasons (see: German National Socialists vs. Jewish International Socialists vs. Russian National Socialists, Muslims vs. Chicoms, et cetera), and
    2) a lot of Post-Christians understandably like the fruits of Western Civilization (such as liberty and limited government) and are opposed to Anti-West…they just wish Christians would just please shut up about Jesus, sexual immorality, and abortion.

    Ironically, it is pretty obvious today that we were 100% right about sexual immorality, abortion, and Jesus.

    • Replies: @Svigor
    , @Stan d Mute
  110. Mr. XYZ says:
    @Audacious Epigone

    The Social Explorer has county-level data from 1970, but I think that you have to pay to actually access this data.

  111. Mr. XYZ says:
    @Audacious Epigone

    If Jared Taylor is actually serious about this, he can still have more children right now. If his wife is too old to naturally have children, they could use IVF or a surrogate mother (including using eggs from a surrogate mother).

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
  112. Svigor says:
    @Jay Fink

    So anti-semitism is a bogus term. Great talk, thx.

    • Agree: Thomm

    Suck that Jew dick, WOG. (WOGs are great at knowing their place)

  113. Svigor says:
    @Dissident Rite

    Christ, is that shitbird still on the “Breivik had mucho guile and gumption” schtick? What a creepy fuck. Guy openly worships Breivik and wonders how everyone knows he’s a shitbird.

  114. Svigor says:
    @Dissident Rite

    IMO it’s an open question whether the NSDAP was properly considered left-wing or right-wing. The myriad faggots want to disown the NSDAP, of course, so the conversation is mostly useless.

    The real question is whether the NSDAP’s White racial nationalism makes it orthogonal to leftism at large. I suppose the answer is “yes.”

    And the real answer, of course, is that the NSDAP was White racial nationalist, so I claim it with a proud “fuck you,” regardless of whether it was otherwise right or left. I’ll take White racial nationalist every time, regardless of whether it’s “left” or “right.” Which isn’t to say I wouldn’t prefer a right White racial nationalism over a left White racial nationalism (because I would), only that I’d prefer any kind of White racial nationalism to any kind of not-White-racial-nationalism.

  115. Svigor says:
    @Dissident Rite

    The essence of the Right is Christian moral supremacy.

    Bullshit. I may not know what the essence of the right is, but I know what it ain’t. And it ain’t Christian anything.

    I’m a (secular) cultural Christian, so don’t take this the wrong way. But other things come first and ultimately, the White right can take or leave Christianity. For that matter, the White can take or leave the right.

    Ideally Christianity is a cherished and maybe even sacred component of White racial nationalism. But Christians should know their place, and not get too proud, because ultimately Christianity is dispensable.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    , @Dissident Rite
  116. Svigor says:
    @Dissident Rite

    I echo your sentiments, but my secular right answers to a higher authority than Locke, too. Fact is, my secular right is going to have to eat Conservatism, before it turns on the left.

    Point being, let’s not conflate all of the secular right so.

    • Agree: Stan d Mute
  117. Svigor says:

    P.S., I like the cut of your gib, DR. I bet we could have a merry old time downing shots. But one-true-wayers (NSDAP, Christians, whatever) are one of my pet peeves. All of you go to the back of the bus. The White Man is driving.

  118. Anonnu says:

    Christcucks love nigger dick too much to save the ‘west’

  119. Corvinus says:
    @Dissident Rite

    “Haven’t you heard? Antisemitism is on the rise everywhere. Shooting up synagogues is just a normal part of life in Post-Christian America. Thanks to Judeo-Secularists relentlessly pushing secular-atheism into public schools for the last 40+ years, we now have a sizable population of American Brieviks. At least you atheists are good for something!”

    Only further confirmation on your part that you are all talk and no go.

    • Replies: @Thomm
  120. Corvinus says:
    @Svigor

    “Guy openly worships Breivik and wonders how everyone knows he’s a shitbird.”

    It’s Dissident Rite who is the Breivik fanatic.

    “I may not know what the essence of the right is, but I know what it ain’t. And it ain’t Christian anything.”

    That would be YOUR position. Exactly why if you insist that White racial nationalism lacks or does not contain a Christian component, you are the one who is at the back of the bus.

    “But Christians should know their place, and not get too proud, because ultimately Christianity is dispensable.”

    Nope. Christianity and the Alt Right are linked together. Sorry to burst your bubble.

  121. Tacman says:
    @Jay Fink

    From what I have seen, at least from observing what Jewish writers/verified Twitter accounts have to say, whether Jews identify as white or not depends on what agenda they are trying to push. This may not, obviously, hold true for those who are not politically involved but the rule seems to be that Jews are white… when it suits them.

  122. @Audacious Epigone

    This somewhat depends on one’s outlook doesn’t it? I would love to have had more kids except that this country has become a shithole within my lifetime and each year it gets worse. If I thought my kids could enjoy a standard of living reasonably close to my own, that they wouldn’t be enslaved to pay the debts of narcissistic boomers and their “diverse” pets, that they wouldn’t legally be second class citizens in the Nation our ancestors created from savage wilderness, then I’d have had at least four. But none of that is the case and by creating the kids I am dooming them to a shit life far worse than my own and unimaginably worse than my parents’. I’m already forced to apologize to my progeny for the fact that they cannot enjoy the simple things I had as a child, that they are constantly denigrated and demonized for the successes of their ancestors, that they will be harshly punished for speaking truth, etc. I’ve already seen a good number of my peers perish from despair and I myself persevere only because of my kids – how can I inflict this on more innocents?

  123. Thomm says:
    @Corvinus

    Only further confirmation on your part that you are all talk and no go.

    Oh, action is the last thing a White Trashionalist is capable of. They are just about the most inept people imaginable.

    That is why they are a net negative to the existence of functional whites.

  124. @Stan d Mute

    Your ancestors had far, far worse lives than your children will have. Yet, they pumped out 4+ (at minimum) children.

    You’re not bringing children into the world to live easy and meaningless lives. You’re bringing them into the world to leave their mark, continue your family tree, and ultimately improve society.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
  125. @Dissident Rite

    the Christian Right answers to a higher moral authority than Locke.

    Yeah, okay, would that be the pederast in a dress or the pederast in a suit?

  126. @Dissident Rite

    Classical liberalism is literally the only thing keeping Christians from legally wiping out SJWs. Because, according to classical liberalism, SJWs…and socialists…communists…possess “universal human rights”. Lol.

    Didn’t your Jewish messiah demand that you spread the other cheek?

  127. @Dissident Rite

    Ironically, it is pretty obvious today that we were 100% right about sexual immorality, abortion, and Jesus.

    Without abortion we’d have another 20-40 million negroes murdering, raping, rioting, robbing, and sucking the public treasury dry. And somehow my definition of “sexual immorality” which includes molesting children differs substantially from yours which apparently doesn’t. I’m okay with banging a hot chick and not calling her the next day, just leave the kiddies alone. You churchians prefer the opposite.

  128. @Anonnu

    I would have phrased that differently, but I agree 100%. Churchianity has been the downfall of our Western Civilization. It’s no coincidence that Rome fell at the exact same time the Jew messiah worshippers converted Constantine. What followed was the Dark Ages and for good reason as the Jew messiah worship brainwashed our people to believe such nonsense as the obviously retarded notion that a sub-species separated by 70,000+ years of evolution and admixture of two other sub-species (Neanderthal and Denisovan) was just the same as us and only needed to also be brainwashed into Jew messiah worship.

    If you can believe in an imaginary Sky Fairy absent any scintilla of evidence, you can believe negroes are just like Norwegians with a really dark tan. And if you ever entertain doubt or if your senses attempt to sway you toward reality, just wish harder! That, plus forking over some cash to your always cash-strapped Jew messiah, will guarantee you a spot in utopia no matter how many times your wife and daughter get raped or how many of your sons get eaten.

  129. @Svigor

    Point being, let’s not conflate all of the secular right so.

    First, much of the “church” consists either of left-liberals or Judeo-Christians who in fact enemies of Christ and the European nations. Second, you don’t have to be a Christian to value Western Civilization. (Heck you don’t even have to be white to value Western Civ.) On the other hand, plenty of genuine Christians don’t value the nations of the West, which by definition makes them traitors. But the Bible (and Christian tradition) is pretty explicit about the just fate of Christian traitors.

    So to clarify: I’m perfectly happy to agree-to-disagree on religion with non-traitorous whites, especially if they don’t have a particularly well-developed moral philosophy. But just be clear, though, we are in fact genuinely disagreeing.

    Bullshit. I may not know what the essence of the right is, but I know what it ain’t. And it ain’t Christian anything.

    /shrug
    It’s simply a matter of definitions and historical reality. First, your ancestors and mine killed or converted all the white pagans. Then, for 1500 years (give-or-take…it depends on how you count things), we had Western Civilization. Specifically: we (whites) inherited the Greco-Roman legal/philosophical legacy, but replaced Greco-Roman paganism with Christianity.

    We weren’t liberal. We weren’t egalitarian. We certainly weren’t “enlightened”. We absolutely weren’t feminist. And we sure as hellfire weren’t secular, atheist, or Judeo-Christian.

    On the other hand, we also weren’t socialist or “fascist”.

    The first serious opposition to the existing Western order emerged with the so-called “Enlightenment”. This is also where the Left-Right dichotomy emerged. That was what, 250 years ago, give or take? Meanwhile, it is literally only within the last generation that the so-called “Secular Right” has emerged as a coherent movement. (Remember the Moral Majority? That wasn’t that long ago.)

    Ergo, Christian moral supremacy is and has always been the essence of the Right. It is a little weird to deny this. All that’s changed is the Right as a political force has been diluted by the dwindling cultural influence of Christianity, due in part to Boomer Christians committing institutional seppuku…and in part to the success of Judeo-Secularists in poisoning the schools and culture. (It’s darkly amusing to hear practitioners of Judaism spouting almost exactly the same anti-Christian propaganda as neo-Nazis.)

    But other things come first and ultimately, the White right can take or leave Christianity.

    Whites can indeed take or leave Christianity. And we are seeing a foretaste of what “leaving Christianity” looks like. It isn’t pretty…but that misses the point. Christianity has no social, cultural, or utilitarian value unless it is True. If it is not true, it should be destroyed.

    But Christians should know their place, and not get too proud, because ultimately Christianity is dispensable.

    Heh. Back when the West was strong, our fathers happily punished people for violating blasphemy laws. I used to be a lot more laid back about Christian supremacy…until I realized two things. First, all the best arguments against Christianity originate with the Jews: aka, the lovers of the world’s greatest loser religion. Second, no one else has any practical answers to Western Civ’s moral decay:

    How many non-Christian whites can declare (with absolute moral authority) that fornication, adultery, homosexuality, and blasphemy (particularly Judeo-Islamic blasphemy) should be criminalized? Now, we can discuss appropriate levels of enforcement and punishment. But the idea that “liberty” entails the right to do evil is laughable—these days, it’s obviously laughable.

    but my secular right answers to a higher authority than Locke, too.

    Fair enough, but what authority is that?

  130. @Anonnu

    Christcucks love nigger

    There were no Christcucks before the Boomers, just deadly Christian patriarchs. Kinda silly to judge the great religion of our forefathers, which easily wiped out the pagans, on the basis of one wicked and adulterous generation.

  131. Didn’t your Jewish messiah demand that you spread the other cheek?

    Literally everything the Alt-Retards believe about Christianity is either a Jewish lie or a liberal lie.

    Here is what the Bible actually says: ” But if you do wrong, be afraid, for [the governing authority] does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the minister of God, an avenger who carries out God’s wrath on the wrongdoer.”

    Without abortion we’d have another 20-40 million negroes murdering, raping, rioting, robbing, and sucking the public treasury dry.

    Without secular atheists voting against the Christian Right, we’d still have segregation.

    And somehow my definition of “sexual immorality” which includes molesting children differs substantially from yours which apparently doesn’t.

    Those who molest children should executed, retard.

    I’m okay with banging a hot chick and not calling her the next day

    And that’s why you are a civilizational parasite.

    Churchianity has been the downfall of our Western Civilization.

    I don’t think you understand that “Churchianity” is Vox Day’s term for fake Christianity. Without Christianity destroying white paganism, coopting the Roman Empire, and transmitting the Greco-Roman legacy to all the white nations, Western Civilization would not exist.

    What followed was the Dark Ages and for good reason 

    /facepalm
    Literally everything the Alt-Retards believe about Christianity is either a Jewish lie or a liberal lie.

    It’s no coincidence that Rome fell at the exact same time the Jew messiah worshippers converted Constantine. 

    Rome fell because of its own decadence and the mass importation of barbarian immigrants.

  132. anon[355] • Disclaimer says:

    California was 80% white in 1970. With 39.5 million people, California should have 31,600,000 whites today to match this. I doubt the number is half of that. (I can’t make any sense of Wikipedia’s mumbo-jumbo on race).

  133. Bliss says:

    Why are whites abandoning the whitopias of Iowa and West Virginia?

    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
  134. @Bliss

    Iowa is not a whitopia anymore. Every dairy farm and meat processor is running on illegal Mexican labor. It is far less white than Northern New England.

    • Replies: @Bliss
    , @Audacious Epigone
  135. Bliss says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Iowa is not a whitopia anymore. Every dairy farm and meat processor is running on illegal Mexican labor. It is far less white than Northern New England.

    Iowa is still one of the whitest states in America. According to this projection for 2019 it is #6. And West Virginia, which is also losing whites, is #3:

    Btw, the whitopias of West Virginia and Northern New England lead the nation in deaths by opioid overdose:

    https://www.drugabuse.gov/drugs-abuse/opioids/opioid-summaries-by-state

    1. West Virginia
    2. New Hampshire
    8. Maine
    13. Vermont

  136. @Dissident Rite

    Meant to LOL at that one, not necessarily agree!

  137. @Stan d Mute

    I begin each day reminding myself of a couple of things:

    “Others have done more with less”
    “Pressure leads to power; stress leads to strength”

    Millennials are the second wealthiest generation in world history. Only the boomers have enjoyed greater affluence. The white man is finally beginning to stir–don’t quit now!

  138. @Peter Akuleyev

    Indeed. We’re at an even more advanced stage of that decline to Iowa’s southwest.

  139. @Rational

    Everything you assert argues for the alt-right to curtail its internal monologue and begin an active education/propaganda campaign directed at the unaware Caucasians.

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