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Since Reuters-Ipsos stopped updating its extensive online polling database months ago, YouGov has gained pride of place when it comes to putting interesting and controversial cultural questions to the public. The organization recently released one asking including a section entitled “Battery of anti-semitism items”. The following graphs show results from several of those items. “Neither agree nor disagree”, comprising an average of 30% of responses across the results shown, are excluded. The residual percentages for each demographic thus indicate percentages in disagreement with the statement.

The battery begins with a question that will land a person in jail in Europe if he’s not careful with his answer:

The demographic patterns observable here repeat in subsequent graphs. Non-whites, especially blacks and Hispanics, are considerably more “anti-semitic” than whites; those under 45 are considerably more “anti-semitic” than those 45 and older; and men are considerably more “anti-semitic” than women (or, alternatively, women are more conformist than men are and thus less likely to hold dissident opinions in general than men).

Though Republicans are generally more pro-Jewish than Democrats, the partisan divide isn’t as sharp as the racial and generational divides. The poll present full cross-tabs, but it’s easy to infer from the results that are shown that the putatively modest partisan differences are a result of relatively strong pro-semitic sentiments among white Democrats, middling sentiments among white Republicans, and “anti-semitic” sentiments among mostly Democrat non-whites. “Pro-semitic” in this context refers to American Jews rather than to the nation of Israel. In the case of the latter, Republicans are significantly more pro-Israel than Democrats, white and non-white alike.

On Jews having too much power:

On BDS:

On muh Holocaust:

On happy merchants:

On being the Chosen People:

On Palestinian genocide:

On fake Americanism (Vox Day has some work to do):

Jews come in for a lot of criticism for allegedly asking, tribalistically, “is it good for the Jews?” Whether or not the question is objectionable, the affirmative answer that is given when the question concerns the demographic transformation of the country seems to be spectacularly incorrect.

 
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  1. What’s the explanation for 30-44 year olds being so redpilled?

    • Replies: @Feryl
  2. LondonBob says:

    Reinforces that poll I plugged a few months ago on support for Israel, young people just aren’t buying the narrative. Access to alternative media is the obvious explanation, the old are still largely buying their newspapers and watching their teevee. Also Israel isn’t part of the indoctrination programme at looniversity either.

    Republicans and whites skew older and queers those results. The other poll had white youngsters as critical as the rest of their cohort on Israel.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  3. First, A.E., pretty coincidentally, Peak Stupidity’s post of last night was Protocols of the Sisters of Zuckerberg. I did not see your post here till 10 minutes ago, I swear. Weird, and I’ll admit that you make better use of this take-off, as mine was must a last-minute silly title.

    Anyway, on the last paragraph, that is a very big question. How could an ethnic group “act so stupidly” (as an average) as to think they were helping themselves by instigating or at least strongly encouraging, this immigration invasion? Forget the social, economic, and environmental effects on themselves along with regular Americans for a while, how about just the Moslem numbers? Did they EVER think this would help them? I think people of every sort get a herd mentality going. “Diversity is our Strength” is the mantra that helps people get past their own conscience which is going “this is stupid, this is stupid, this is stupid!”

  4. @Achmed E. Newman

    Just in case that wording at the end is bugging anyone as to where they’d heard this before:

  5. I would like to ask Rosie to comment on those pink bars. You may have an additional explanation, but otherwise could you pick one or more of the following?:

    ( ) a – Conformity (per A.E.’s suggestion)
    ( ) b – They don’t follow politics that much.
    ( ) c – They don’t see the big picture.

    Note, Rosie, that (a) and (b) are not insults in any sense. Even (c) isn’t, if you just accept that men and women are different, each have their own strengths, and should have different roles is life.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
  6. Exile says:

    To the extent that AE’s making the argument that Jews are miscalculating strategy and unwittingly undermining their own interests by supporting mass immigration, I’ll play Devil’s Advocate.

    You could cite hubris and lack of empathy as factors making otherwise the otherwise politically and culturally savvy Jews blind to the long term consequences of their immigration enthusiasm, but I’ll give their top tier social engineers more credit.

    I think they’re well aware that on a long enough timeline importing more “J-woke” or simply J-hostile immigrants has a big downside, but they’ve calculated the risk is worth the reward of finally bringing America’s WASP elites to heel. More importantly though, they’ve always been aware that their dominance always chafes host populations over time (109 times to date). Their strategy to counter this in America is a continual “circulation of the masses,” inverting Pareto and following Brecht’s “vote for a new people” strategy.

    If America’s dominant Jewish diaspora elites can keep churning the population with new immigrants while keeping enough of them satisfied with consumerism, media, academia, porn & sedatives, and playing groups against each other, they can keep Their Thing going.

    Over time, if they can sell “this land is everyone’s land” to everyone else, they will successfully transform themselves from the 18th-20th century’s immigrant newcomers to the 22nd century’s most rooted manifestation of “who we are” – in truth, who “we” have become through their decades-long efforts.

    Countering that strategy requires, among other things, shutting down the inflow of new populations. Rooted citizens with a sense that “this land is my land” will resist dispossession and increasingly chafe at increasingly apparent Jewish cultural, financial and political dominance.

  7. Arclight says:

    Anecdotal, small sample and possibly a result of living in the Midwest, but most of my male Jewish friends (30-44 range) are pro Trump, pro gun, and anti mass immigration.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  8. Svevlad says:
    @Exile

    They’re not that good. They’re good at making medium-long term predictions, but still aren’t the perfect long-term thinkers. They probably think they can buy off all the redpilled ones or they’ll take care of it later (with what people? high-IQ ashkenazis are breeding less and less, and a lot of the ones that do marry gentiles and make gentile children, even the women, despite traditions)

    • Agree: Ash Williams
    • Replies: @Gordo
  9. Interesting note on YouGov:

    “YouGov plc, being a UK registered and traded company, is subject to the UK City Code on Takeovers and Mergers.”

  10. Feryl says:
    @Kent Nationalist

    People born before the mid-1970’s mainly think of Jews in terms of Nazi persecution. Whereas the 30-44 group was able to spend a lot of time on the internet in the 90’s and 2000’s reading unflattering things about Jews and Israel, and this happened before the pro-Jewish Woke Movement took off in the mid-2010’s. Also, the backlash towards Israel really got going in the 1990’s and has been gaining momentum ever since, if memory serves. If your first impression of Israel came about in the 1960’s-1980’s, you are probably more sympathetic toward Israel.

    WRT to the Jews are too powerful and too arrogant memes, it looks like the 30-44 cohort associates Jews with humorless school marming and squandering of ample resources*. Why this cohort senses this more than the other cohorts, I have no idea, other than the possibility that late X-ers and early Millennials are more aware of internet culture that goofs on, or singles out, Jews, and aren’t as bothered about it as older or younger generations (e.g. (((this sort of thing))).

    *Those born before the mid-70’s tend to associate killjoy moralism with WASPs and the Religious Right, both of whom have declined in power over the last 25 years, and to a large extent have been displaced by Jews and the Righteous Left.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
  11. Honest Jew Larry Auster — who died in 2013; I miss his writing — was very perceptive in his discussion of the Jew involvement in questions of national identity and mass immigration and political correctness and the like. I wish Larry Auster and Sam Francis were still around — two smart and cranky baby boomers who could write like genius bastards!

    Larry Auster portions from 1998:

    Because of the Jews’ tragic history as a persecuted people, and because of their own ability, through their leading role in American intellectual life, to set the terms of permissible discourse, it is impossible in today’s society to have an honest discussion on the subject of Jewish cultural impact. While every other ethnic group can be spoken of in a critical light, if only to a very limited extent, nothing that is even implicitly critical is allowed to be said or inferred about Jews

    The Jews also (as few people recognize, because the subject is forbidden) changed America in some profound and not always positive ways. In terms of national identity, Jews were instrumental in the reformulation of America as a universalist society based strictly on ideology rather than on peoplehood, a change that set the stage for mass Third-World immigration and the much more profound redefinition of America as a multicultural society. In terms of morality, many Jewish intellectuals, writers, and entertainers deliberately undermined the older Anglo-American Victorian ethos, a program of moral/cultural subversion that climaxed in the Sixties counterculture and the dominant nihilist culture of the 1980s and 1990s. In terms of politics, Jews were instrumental in replacing the old American order of Constitutional self-restraint with the statist politics of unrestrained compassion.

    the elite universities had changed from guardian of the old Western order to its subverter. [See also here.] This transformation in the universities then reverberated through the rest of the culture, stripping America’s public institutions, entertainments, symbols, and manners of the Christian and bourgeois values they had once embodied. America’s transition from a Protestant culture whose public institutions, celebrations, and symbols reflected Christian belief, to a pluralist, secular society with no identity at all, was complete.

    Now that their enemies have been scattered and silenced, the left and the minorities can admit that their real agenda all along was not simply inclusion, equality, justice, or tolerance toward Jews and other minorities, but the destruction of the Christian culture.

    If an immigration law that is designed to preserve the nation’s ethnic majority is racist (because it implicitly puts down other groups), then the same must be true of any manifestation of the ethnic majority, including its very existence. After all, if a nation still has an ethnic majority, and a culture that reflects that majority, doesn’t that impute inferiority to all people not related by blood to that majority? Therefore the only way to procure real democracy is to turn the ethnic majority into a minority, which is to be accomplished (and since 1965 has largely been accomplished) by immigration.

    The 1965 Immigration Act, the culmination of a forty-year, largely Jewish-led campaign, was not simply a piece of “liberal” legislation (i.e., an act aimed at formal equality) which later turned out to have unforeseen, radical consequences. As early as 1952, the liberal idea of equality before the law was already linked in the minds of Jewish immigrationists with the radical project of dispossessing America’s white, Anglo-Saxon, Christian majority.

    Tweet from 2015:

  12. This explains (if it wasn’t already clear) the full-court anti-white white-supremacism-is-the-new-radical-Muslim-terrorism push from the chaimstream media and Jewish interest groups.

    Given those stats however, it seems it’s too little, too late (and will be yugely counterproductive).

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  13. @Exile

    I would tend to agree with Svevlad above about the lack of this really long-term thinking that you assume – maybe you think it’s no big conspiracy but just a lot of people that think the same way and pass down that thinking from generation to generation, which is possible. Even so, my question is WHY to begin with? Jews have had it very good in America, golf-club memberships* notwithstanding and not deserving of anyone giving a damn.

    I don’t see why you would want to ruin a good thing like this. Things don’t seem to be going well according to ANY plans, by ANYBODY, except the Commies, having infiltrated and ready to come out every century, like cockaroaches – see Commies crawling out of the woodwork… it’s about that time.

    .

    * If you don’t know what I’m referring to here, you would have to go back and read a bunch of iSteve posts. (There are one hell of a lot to search through though!)

    • Replies: @Exile
  14. @Achmed E. Newman

    It seems to me that non-Orthodox Jews tend towards uber SWPLism. Their leftism isn’t some grand plan to further their dominance–it’s the same sort of virtue-signalling paired with NIMBYism that characterizes UC/UMC white gentiles. It’s not good for any of them over the very long run, but it has positive status/prestige/career payoffs now.

    • Agree: dfordoom
  15. @LondonBob

    How effective will separating support for American Jewry from support for Israel be? The ADL is on board with that; AIPAC isn’t. Some Democrats are, some aren’t; nearly all Republicans are not.

  16. One my problems with the contend that the holocaust is a hoax is that Germany, Poland, Czechoslakia, Denmark . . . and a host of other countries acknowledge that it happened. It seems a strange call to tell the Germans, it was all just a hoax, when they say it was not.

    It’s a strange call to tell US servicemen they didn’t see what they saw. That the gas chambers were in fact — really just showers. That the bodies they witnessed stacked high were actually the victims of air raids by the allies.

    —————————–

    Whether what was ended in 1945 is a case for the kind of politics taking pl,ace today is another matter. I would like to think I can acknowledge the tragedy against others without condoning tragedies today, even if the magnitude to scale is smaller.

    • Disagree: BengaliCanadianDude
  17. @Ash Williams

    If I actually had a clue what an RSS feed was, I’d implement it prontomundo. Thanks for the compliment, Ash.

    (BTW, a commenter found a factual error in that post – it’s Mrs. Zuckerberg. She IS married (somehow), and my ctrl-f’s did not find that out for me.)

    • Replies: @Ash Williams
  18. Regarding the black responses, I wonder if their beliefs are shaped by the fact that their political leaders are vocally critical of jews or if they have better inherent instincts about when they are getting the shaft.

    Perhaps a bit of both.

    The +65 responses are not surprising. My dad and half my uncles, and all the rest of the grey hairs I know are fairly conservative minded, but the lifetime of pro jewish brainwashing they have been subjected to will never be undone.

  19. @Achmed E. Newman

    WordPress and other free blog templates TTBOMK always include an RSS feed, but if you don’t want to do that you can make one for your site here

    http://feed43.com/

    and include the RSS feed link it generates into a button to put somewhere on your site. Cheers!

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  20. @Exile

    One potential objection that jumps to mind is the high intermarriage rates of non-Orthodox Jews in the US, largely to America’s WASP elites. How to square that?

    • Replies: @Exile
    , @notanon
  21. @Ash Williams

    The lack of self-awareness really is staggering.

    Out of one side of their mouths, Kashmir must remain Muslim; on the other side of their mouths, America must not remain American!

    Out of one side of their mouths, Muslim extremists a small fraction of the total Muslim population, which is full of moderates; on the other side of their mouths, their are no moderate white nationalists, all are extremists who must be destroyed!

    Out of one side of their mouths, Hong Kongers we support you; on the other side of their mouths, stop using Pepe as a symbol because… wait, Pepe has become a universal symbol against cultural, political, and ethnic replacement? Uh oh. Anyway, we support you!

    • LOL: Ash Williams
    • Replies: @L Woods
    , @Thomm
  22. @EliteCommInc.

    There is a subsequent question I didn’t include results to because it was similar to the myth one but with modestly more agreement across the board, which stated that the Holocaust has been exaggerated. That’s probably how I would’ve answered. Army sizes and casualty figures are virtually always overstated throughout history.

    • Replies: @Ash Williams
  23. @Audacious Epigone

    There is a subsequent question I didn’t include results to because it was similar to the myth one but with modestly more agreement across the board, which stated that the Holocaust has been exaggerated.

    That would seem to indicate that respondents who think it was a myth have strong convictions (it’s not just exaggerated, it’s bullshit).

    “When the goys get woke, the Jews go broke”

  24. “That’s probably how I would’ve answered. Army sizes and casualty figures are virtually always overstated throughout history.”

    Though sometimes they get underestimated. However, so many Europeans grant that the incident occurred. It’s their countries and I have a hard buying that they are so guilt ridden as to accept the magnitude of what occurred without challenge.

    And US servicemen acknowledge what they found.

    ———————————

    Though I think we agree that the use of that tragedy today may be over played. Not that what occurred was not tragic. But it cannot serve as passage for anything decendants want today, especially when it is disconnected from that past. And as painful as it may be. WWII was not fought to interfere in the atrocities of sovereign states.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  25. Exile says:
    @Audacious Epigone

    Bride harvesting. Jared’s marriage to Ivanka was strategic, for instance. Jews have intermarried into the British elite as well. Jewish parents will often either prioritize or settle for high-status goy marriage alliances. Their relative advantage in cultural assertiveness and cohesion tends to bring the goy family into their orbit ala the Trumps rather than pulling the Jews into WASP-world.

    That said, the strategy isn’t without risk and Jews are talented and smart at social engineering, not omnipotent or omniscient. If they must choose the path of dominating host societies from behind the thrones, “circulating the masses” is their best bet – but not a guaranteed winning one. They have small numbers and risk being assimilated by staying in parastic proximity to Gentiles.

    If I were one of the elite influencers in the Jewish community, I would opt for a less controlling/antagonistic approach that put my people more at arms-length and smoothed the rougher frictions of proximity. Easy for me to say – I have White Euro predispositions for that strategy, whereas Ashkepaths have unusually high levels of both neuroticism and aggression.

    • Replies: @216
    , @LondonBob
  26. @Ash Williams

    Thank you for the link. I’m looking at it. It’s probably all a matter of how much information I’ve got to give up (privacy-wise).

  27. Exile says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I read Sailer so we’re on the same page.

    I’m more of a MacDonald group convergent interest sort of guy than an Elders of Zion explicit conspiracy type.

    That said, I think elite Jews have a mix of motives pointing to a common strategy. Some have bought their own propaganda about tyrannical goyim lusting in our blood for pogroms “for no reason.” They suffer blowback from their own cultural psy-ops. Some are simply out for advantage. Some are out for revenge. Most have internalized the idea that they must be fully self-sufficient and in control, not relying on outsiders (largely from the aforementioned “blowback” running from the Exodus story to Holocaustianity).

    As I said in my reply to AE, it’s hard for White Euros to understand why Jews would prefer this to just getting along. But they’re higher in neuroticism and aggression than we are, what Heartiste once glossed as “worrier-warriors” – particularly Ashkenazim who make up the vast majority of American Jews (“ashkepathy”).

    If they won’t trust us, they can either try to exterminate us, dominate us, separate from us or assimilate with us. They don’t have the numbers to kill us, they’re still here among us, and they’re still distinctly Jewish. This process of elimination tells me what they’ve opted for (along with the abundant evidence provided by my lying eyes and ears). Outcome for both races undecided.

    • Replies: @216
    , @Audacious Epigone
  28. J1234 says:

    Excellent article.

  29. L Woods says:
    @Audacious Epigone

    their are no moderate white nationalists, all are extremists who must be destroyed!

    Increasingly, the message seems to be that there are no ‘moderate whites,’ period.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @Ash Williams
  30. 216 says: • Website
    @EliteCommInc.

    It’s a strange call to tell US servicemen they didn’t see what they saw. That the gas chambers were in fact — really just showers. That the bodies they witnessed stacked high were actually the victims of air raids by the allies.

    I’m not well informed on this, but IIRC, the camps in the US/UK occupation zone were not camps with gas chambers. Those camps were in the USSR occupation zone.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extermination_camp#Death_toll

    The revisionism/conspiracy theory etc; says that the USSR made up the death camps for propaganda purposes, the camps were actually “work camps”.

    One my problems with the contend that the holocaust is a hoax

    The purpose of the hoax theory is to rehabilitate Nazi Germany, and delegitimize Israel, presumably it also implies that a “second” round is “deserved”.

    My position is a bit clearer, a lot of Jews view their support for globalism/liberalism/mass immigration as revenge for the Holocaust. The writer Roger Cohen has come very close to explicitly admitting this.

  31. 216 says: • Website
    @Exile

    That said, I think elite Jews have a mix of motives pointing to a common strategy. Some have bought their own propaganda about tyrannical goyim lusting in our blood for pogroms “for no reason.”

    Imagine if the thousands or so people that regularly comment on Unz were dropped into one location.

    Now, a lot of us have quite significant divergences with each other; but we also have the common experience of being Dissidents against the overwhelming majority of society. Being an exclusively virtual community, we have no need to be cohesive externally.

    But if we were concentrated into a single area, an “Unz ghetto” section of say New York City, we’d have strong incentives to work together to maintain the group.

    Don’t think of this as a mere though experiment to explain certain Jewish behavior, it explains a lot about why it is so hard to get Dissidents to organize in real life. Absent being forced to, we fret over the narcissim of small differences.

    • Replies: @L Woods
  32. 216 says: • Website
    @Exile

    The Kushner family is part of the Chabad Orthodox sect, and they required Ivanka to convert, and they did the same for Jared’s brother who married leftist fashion model Karlie Kloss (rumored bisexual former partner of Taylor Swift)

    The reason that many Jews are married to WASPs is because both groups are secularized. Secular whites are the closest in political alignment to (secular) Jews.

    But imagine a Kushner that converted to Mormonism and married a Mormon woman.

    He’d be disowned.

    • Replies: @Exile
    , @Charles Pewitt
  33. @L Woods

    Increasingly, the message seems to be that there are no ‘moderate whites,’ period.

    Welcome to the Jew’s self-fulfilling prophecy.

    If they keep on calling every white person a White Nationalist, pretty soon they’ll be right.

  34. “I’m not well informed on this, but IIRC, the camps in the US/UK occupation zone were not camps with gas chambers. Those camps were in the USSR occupation zone.”

    For the time being I have gone as far as I am willing go on this issue. This is a debate best left for others to haggle. Germany and others acknowledge the matter . . . so I am not inclined to dispute them.

    Nor am I will to tell the US Army they did see what they said they saw.

    https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2013/03/21/is-there-any-proof-that-gas-chambers-existed-in-the-nazi-camps/

  35. European Jews are n early entirely white.

    • Agree: Thomm
    • Replies: @216
    , @Jay Fink
  36. iffen says:

    we fret over the narcissim of small differences

    True enough. How do you get past it?

  37. Jay Fink says:

    I like to see the conflicts within the big Democrat tent. It has Jews as well as minorities who are more anti-Semitic than average. It’s an irony that Jews are one of the most “woke” groups but the love they send out isn’t being returned.

    I also find it interesting that Democrats are home to both Jews and Muslims. My impression is Jews love Muslims (if only for virtue signaling) even if Muslims don’t like Jews. On my Facebook feed everyone who defends Rep. Omar and her Muslim colleague is Jewish. My Jewish friends and relatives were very upset when Israel banned them but none of my gentile friends posted about it.

  38. @Exile

    they’re still distinctly Jewish

    I appreciate the response above and it goes some way of addressing the issue, but the fact still remains that their numbers are declining–again, non-Orthodox notwithstanding, though they’re effectively almost an entirely distinct population in terms of everything we’re considering here–and their distinctiveness is also declining.

    There is simply no way a group that constitutes less than 2% of the population can intermarry at rates around 30%-50%, have fertility below replacement, and not be diluted out of existence.

    • Replies: @Exile
  39. 216 says: • Website

    The last question is the most interesting.

    Gen Y/Z are the least willing to say that Jews are just as American as anyone else, presumably a function of this cohort being the least white.

    But in the same visage, if Hispanics seem to think that Jews aren’t as American, doesn’t this apply to many of them as well?

    For whatever it is worth, Asians seem to outnumber Hispanics in terms of posters on Unz.

  40. Thomm says:
    @Audacious Epigone

    The lack of self-awareness really is staggering.

    This is only possible for two reasons.

    Cuckservatives are surrender-loving, woman-worshipping cowards.

    White Trashionalists are universally low-IQ, bottom 10% men, with left-wing economic views.

    The opponents of the SJW left are either surrender-loving cucks or WN wiggers.

  41. SafeNow says:

    “diluted out of existence”

    But then, who else will possess the interest-rate gene?…Who else will be able to structure the complex, opaque instruments and transactions to deliver financial meltdowns? (Who else will have the Lolita Express gene, hahaha.)

  42. L Woods says:
    @216

    The Establishment also comes down, in a very telling way, on real life meetups like a ton of bricks. Even innocuous, moderate ones. It’s almost like their greatest fear, more so than that of any particular ideology, is a revival of civic society itself.

    • Replies: @216
  43. Mark G. says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    You might consider that the negative black attitudes towards Jews might be partly because many of them see them as white. So if you are a non-Jewish white, blacks may dislike Jews for some of the same reasons they dislike you. If you asked blacks if whites have too much power in America, think they are better than others and get rich at the expense of others you might get similar responses. So if you are non-Jewish white person who dislikes Jews, you might want to hesitate before you decide that blacks are your natural allies. Jewish influence in America may have negative effects but it is dwarfed by the negative effects of black influence. If Jews controlled the country, it would look like Israel. If blacks controlled the country, the whole country would end up looking like Detroit or Baltimore.

  44. 216 says: • Website
    @L Woods

    Provide more examples if you like…

    but,

    Organizing around Roosh, or organizing explicitly as Alt-Right, or as any Dissident movement is bound to attract attention from the authorities.

    But joining your local KofC, GOP, or other mainstream org won’t spark alarm bells. Organize and network inside, invite like minded friends to join.

    In the case of the IRS scandal, I suspect certain partisan hostility from leftist employees, but I suspect more apt that many Tea Party organizations were simply incompetent at filling out the paperwork. Added on that many Tea Party orgs were operating on affinity fraud.

    • Replies: @L Woods
    , @L Woods
  45. Exile says:
    @216

    Most American Jews including the Kushners may be wholly or semi-secularized, but they strongly identify as Jews. Charles made his bones as a self-styled “Holocaust Builder.” Jewish identity among American Jews is much more secularized than Orthodox and many in Europe and Israel, but Jewish identity if anything is becoming more strident and evident in our media, culture and politics. Consult the pages of the NYT, watch Netflix and see what the Solons of social media are saying every day. Even in Europe, Jews recently polled reported strong ethnic identification, a strikingly robust and monolithic 95% unity around the importance of the Holocaust to their identity and a sense of out-group persecution.

    Back to America. WASPS are an ideal out-marriage alternative a) because they’ve been the dominant power elites and b) they’re tolerant of out-marriage, particularly to Jews who many Prots still see as part of God’s plan. I’ve written elsewhere that Judaism is uniquely suited among Abrahamic faiths to weather the storm of modernity because it’s more tribal than religious, and deeply materialistic. Secularized American-Ashkenazi Jews create, invite and embrace most manifestations of the globohomo zeitgeist in large part because they can withstand the worst of its corrosion better than their rivals/enemies.

  46. Jay Fink says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    The DNA of Ashkenazi Jews is similar to Italians.

  47. L Woods says:
    @216

    Main example that comes to mind is the proud boys. Their politics were milquetoast by any reasonable definition (certainly, far from “racist”), but state and media power crushed them anyway. Can’t have more than 3 white or (to borrow from another story) “white adjacent” men meeting in the same room. Cowardly conservatives jumped ship like the common dock rats they are, needless to say.

    • Replies: @216
  48. Exile says:
    @Audacious Epigone

    I hope you’re right. There’s an existenital panic to recent Jewish angst that certainly suggests they’re worried along these lines. However, Jews are still bottlenecking major positions of influence in culture, media, finance and politics. In a democracy, you can do a lot with small numbers with that kind of positioning.

    Whichever one of us is correct, we need to work together to avoid and counter the cultural damage even a waning antagonist can inflict. The Soviet project of Cultural Marxism (almost entirely the brain child of you-know-who’s in the Frankfurt School) is still a long term threat to Western culture even though we “won” the Cold War. If George Soros was the last Jew on Earth, he’d be a major problem and priority for us, and he’s hardly alone among like-minded goy-hostile billionaires as of today.

    We certainly shouldn’t rely solely on superficially comforting demographics to convince ourselves there’s no Jewish Question and rubbish the efforts of active contra-Semites. We need to take action to protect our own interests as Whites, culturally “pushing back” against “we will replace you” goons like Noah Rothman and Michelle Goldberg (and those behind them). Those seeking to use your work to depict the JQ as crankery are taking the easy blue-pilled route and leaving guys like Soros, Singer, Adelson, the Kushners et al for the rest of us to cope with.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  49. L Woods says:
    @216

    Also borrowing from a Sailer thread: they’re on to the “infiltration” of the conservative mainetream. The witch hunters will never rest until they’re put to rest.

  50. 216 says: • Website
    @L Woods

    The Proud Boys operated explicitly with the goal of using physical violence (“self-defense”) against the left, they also promoted drunkenness. Far-left spies also claimed that they had different ideas behind closed doors.

    No, I can’t imagine why they attracted such a crackdown.

    /sarc

    On one point, Gavin McInnes, born in Scotland, is a Canadian citizen. Maybe its not good optics to have Canadians leading what is allegedly a US-based “nationalist” movement. Also, his wife is a leftist. Maybe he should try straightening her opinions out before trying to lead others.

    And I can’t imagine why people got offended at an organization whose leader inserted marital aids into himself on a live broadcast.

    • Replies: @L Woods
    , @Anon
  51. 216 says: • Website

    https://www.prri.org/research/americas-growing-support-for-transgender-rights/

    h/t Roosh

    Fig 10 is damning

    Conservative Inc should recognize that public opinion is converged on trans; there is no way this is swinging back given that our enemies control the culture industry.

    Instead, trade legislation designating LGBT as a protected class, for inclusion of “political ideology” as a protected class. Indicate that both will be treated by the courts with intermediate scrutiny (as is with sex) rather than strict scrutiny (as is with race).

  52. I just finished reading Hillaire Belloc’s 1921 classic “The Jews.” Not only was he eerily prescient about the Holocaust but his analysis of the political situation of that day sounds eerily like today’s — many people decline to criticize the Jews for fear of financial ruin, he says, but there is also a seething undercurrent of resentment among European gentiles. Simply substitute the USA for Britain as the defender of the Jewish nation and it could have been written yesterday.

  53. Thomm says:

    Alas, another mass-shooting by a White Trashionalist. This time in Odessa, TX.

    • Troll: 216
    • Replies: @anon
    , @Feryl
  54. L Woods says:
    @216

    Self-defense is legal, last time I checked. And it was very much self-defense. And the “offense” they evoked hardly had anything to do with McCinnes and his Truecon antics — that’s a standard prerequisite for good standing in polite society these days.

  55. L Woods says:
    @216

    Instead, trade legislation designating LGBT as a protected class, for inclusion of “political ideology” as a protected class.

    That will happen when hell freezes over.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  56. @Thomm

    What would an effective opponent of the SJW left look like?

    Campaign Trump, I think.

    • Replies: @216
    , @Thomm
  57. @Exile

    My inclination is to let bygones be bygones. If the current Likud government is lending moral credibility to campaign Trump American nationalism–as it is–great. Not “screw Israel, zionists are a bunch of hypocrites” but “it worked for Israel and it will work for us”.

    To the 2%, let me put your mind at ease that I’m perfectly happy to live in a as a middle class citizen in a functional country where you’re overrepresented at the high ends of various different institutions of society. You’re not our enemy, we’re not yours, and as Americans we are in this together.

    To the response that this is cuck civic nationalism, Jews are not much different from the founding stock of America than Americans of Italian or Polish descent are.

    • Replies: @Thomm
    , @swamped
  58. @216

    Damning? Maybe you’re right in the long run but this is hardly conclusive. Why the dip in 2018 and then a bounce back up? Why is there allegedly more support now for laws that require people to use restrooms in accordance to their biological sex rather than their gender identity?

    Otoh, if Conservative, Inc folds on this, it should absolutely dispel forever any remaining notion in anyone’s mind that conservatism can conserve anything at all.

    This is about the only issue Ben Shapiro hasn’t surrendered on. That’s not particularly surprising, since it is more than anything else what has made him famous.

    • Replies: @216
  59. @L Woods

    That ship has probably sailed, unfortunately, but it would definitely be a deal worth making.

  60. Anonymous[152] • Disclaimer says:

    Opinions should also have been collected on:

    * https://www.timesofisrael.com/fliers-accusing-jews-of-being-behind-9-11-attacks-appear-in-san-francisco-area/
    * Wars for Israel
    * J-Presence in mainstream meedja (MSNBC, NYT, CNN)
    * J-Presence in Hollywood
    * J-Presence in local/national politics
    * J-Presence in lawfare shenanigans
    * J-Presence in deleterious business schemes (opioids, porn, procuring women, ponzi schemes, high-steroid finance)
    * J-Presence in pseudo-academic pursuits (ethnic studies, postmodernism, feminism)
    * J-Presence in serious academic pursuits (science & engineering, math & physics)
    * J-Presence in immigration “reform”

  61. 216 says: • Website
    @Audacious Epigone

    Why is there allegedly more support now for laws that require people to use restrooms in accordance to their biological sex rather than their gender identity?

    That question was long-winded and confusing.

    This is about the only issue Ben Shapiro hasn’t surrendered on.

    Possibly an indication that we should surrender on this.

    Otoh, if Conservative, Inc folds on this, it should absolutely dispel forever any remaining notion in anyone’s mind that conservatism can conserve anything at all.

    I’m proposing a horse trade, getting ideology declared a protected class is vital to our continued participation in public life.

    Obviously Shapiro doesn’t want anti-discrimination laws extended to those further right than himself.

    That ship has probably sailed, unfortunately, but it would definitely be a deal worth making.

    State level, either through the legislature or through referendum.

  62. 216 says: • Website
    @Audacious Epigone

    Probably a “non-denominational Muslim” that promoted a secularized social conservatism via an appeal to men of all race, class, religion, etc.

    Think of a merger of Ben Shapiro, Milo, Joe Rogan and RooshV.

  63. Thomm says:
    @Audacious Epigone

    Campaign Trump, I think.

    Perhaps, but the GOPe has not fully purged Cuckservatives yet.

    Plus, remember that White Nationalists are a left-wing group (i.e. left-wing economic views) that happens to be in the GOPe (and thus costing Trump far more votes than it attracts). The only reason WNs vote GOP is because they hate black people slightly more than they hate Libertarians. The affinity White Nationalists have for Bernie Sanders is also indicative of this.

  64. Anonymous[152] • Disclaimer says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    However, so many Europeans grant that the incident occurred. It’s their countries and I have a hard buying that they are so guilt ridden as to accept the magnitude of what occurred without challenge.

    That’s not how opinion-forming and myth-forming works. The world is smoke and mirrors and with some luck we may detect the imprint of actual events.

    In particular the Great War was the trial ground for fucking the masses into their collective ass to implement inter-personal decisions made in carpeted rooms – with the masses none the wiser about that.

    Which actually lead to the Bolshevik Revolution (“Lenin would never have gained control … yep, but … muh secret treaty”):

    1:02:57

    Also, an intriguing note on the power of anti-german propaganda during the Great War. While a number of German atrocities against civilian population were certainly committed, they were “enhanced for consumption”. Who knows what went on 30 years later in a world of immense butchery against civilians by all sides? You have to be really careful. Uncle Joe could be sold as upholder of the freedoms. Poland might suddenly move West. Operation Keelhaul could be implemented. A Morgenthau plan might be floated. Do you want Mayonnaise with that?

    1:13:28

  65. anon[163] • Disclaimer says:
    @Thomm

    white trashinoalist

    Dude, nobody knows who or what that guy was.

    Schoolmarm? Do you approve of Thomm’s continued race-baiting? If so, why?

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  66. @Thomm

    “… woman-worshipping cowards.”

    I don’t worship women. But I do worship their bodies.

  67. Thomm says:
    @Audacious Epigone

    To the response that this is cuck civic nationalism, Jews are not much different from the founding stock of America than Americans of Italian or Polish descent are.

    Bingo.

    I have often pointed out to the WNs here the illogic of their anti-Semitism. Effectively, they make the exact same complaints about Jews that blacks make about whites. That too, without the factors of centuries of slavery, or the greater number of alleged oppressors than the oppressed; two points that provide at least the most minimal of credibility to black claims but outright don’t exist in WN claims about Jewish oppression of gentile whites.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @(((They))) Live
  68. In response to the charted graph

    and the following comment

    “The DNA of Ashkenazi Jews is similar to Italians.”

    I have to admit to this. It’s a hard adjustment for me to make. But the constant attempt to weed out who is white and who isn’t based on minor shades is very strange. Most Europeans are white, they have unique adaptions based on environment, diet and some consistent trends in lineage with respect to local.

    But if someone says they are from Italy, Greece, Germany, France, Great Britain, Denmark, Poland . . . etc., until I see them face to face the reasonable default assumption is that they are white and be outside of that range of whiteness requires a skin tone that is deeper than a shade of whiteness.

    That some are trying to weed out Italians, Greeks and others is very strange. If you are a Jew and you are from Europe, the reasonable default assumption is they will look like most Europeans — white in various shadings.

    Further damaging this is the inclusion of most Latins as whites, as with Asians . . .

    Maybe the fault lines of a contention of cultural whiteness are showing.

    ————————-

    “Effectively, they make the exact same complaints about Jews that blacks make about whites. ”

    Probably because when most blacks reference Jews, in their minds they are talking about whites.

  69. LondonBob says:
    @Exile

    William Barr is interesting, married an Irish Catholic girl like his father. Back then the Jewish spouse tended to convert to Christianity.

  70. swamped says:
    @Audacious Epigone

    “If the current Likud government is lending moral credibility to campaign Trump American nationalism–as it is”… NOT!–great GAFFE! This is actually Pres. Trump’s greatest blunder, to drink the Israel Kool-Aid like very president before him since LBJ. The Likud govt. has no moral credibility – 0r morality, period – to lend anybody or more to the point, to use themselves. The venality of Netanscrewyou – & oily Olmert & the devil himself, Sharon before that is the least of it, but in keeping with their ‘moral’ character(s). So “screw Israel, zionists are a bunch of” …genuine murdering racial supremecists; & not just limited, by any stretch, to the current Likud neo-nazis government. If “it worked for Israel” then you have to wonder why it didn’t work for the German Nazis before them. Maybe because this time the U.S. & UK & alas, Germany itself, work for Israel now. And the Russians are holding back. Which is why Germany is forced to admit anything demanded of them about the hazy “holocaust”. And bizarrely, why there’s an outsized Holocaust museum monument smack in the middle of our own nation’s capital to remind us who’s boss. Maybe our only hope – & of our Palestinian brothers’ – is in those 30-44 yr.old’s, who appear to be a little more savvy than the rest & are just now coming into positions of power. Go get ’em, guys!

  71. Gordo says:
    @Svevlad

    They’re not that good. They’re good at making medium-long term predictions, but still aren’t the perfect long-term thinkers. They probably think they can buy off all the redpilled ones or they’ll take care of it later (with what people? high-IQ ashkenazis are breeding less and less, and a lot of the ones that do marry gentiles and make gentile children, even the women, despite traditions)

    Part of the buying off is intermarriage into their thede of the children of powerful Whites.

    Clinton, Trump and a thousand others.

    You know, a bit like the X-Files.

  72. Gordo says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    It’s a strange call to tell US servicemen they didn’t see what they saw.

    I’m pretty sure that both Yad Vashem and the USNHM agreed that no extermination camp, as opposed to concentration camp, was liberated by US or British Empire troops.

  73. iffen says:
    @Thomm

    Effectively, they make the exact same complaints about Jews that blacks make about whites.

    They likely don’t pay any attention to your assertion because only very recently have blacks acquired control of the Jew York Times and other MSM.

  74. bob sykes says:

    What happened to “The Fringe”?

    Taken down, suppressed….?

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  75. notanon says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    It’s a strange call to tell US servicemen they didn’t see what they saw … [snip] … That the bodies they witnessed stacked high were actually the victims of air raids by the allies.

    the claim is food and medical supplies were disrupted by allied bombing leading to malnutrition and typhus.

    no one claims they were directly killed by allied bombs.

  76. notanon says:
    @Audacious Epigone

    How to square that?

    if the primary goal (at least of a zealot minority) is to prevent assimilation and philo-semitism leads to assimilation then it would make perfect sense for zealots to try and replace an attractive, high IQ and excessively philo-semitic population with low IQ, unattractive and mildly anti-semitic populations.

    it wouldn’t be the first time.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maccabees#Background

    (i’d say the big split within the zealots is over whether Muslims should be included in this process or not)

    #

    also while on the subject of different factions with possibly different agendas the banking mafia may consider themselves pretty much immune from the consequences of their actions so if their particular caste is sealed off due to wealth and importing endless amounts of cheap labor makes money then they may not necessarily care about what happens to Jews outside Manhattan.

    • Replies: @Dissident
  77. Anon[183] • Disclaimer says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    One my problems with the contend that the holocaust is a hoax is that Germany, Poland, Czechoslakia, Denmark . . . and a host of other countries acknowledge that it happened.

    If it was a Hoax (and it was), it is obvious that these nations would not have had the option of denying it. Would they today? No. The same logic applies to then. There was no effective discovery and litigation of the supposed event. There was only a declaration of the supposed event. It follows that there was never a window to challenge the event.

    It seems a strange call to tell the Germans, it was all just a hoax, when they say it was not.

    What “they” saw? Who is “they”? The entire German nation agrees? Military under capture and threat of death agree? Under what duress and according to whom? A civilian population agrees? Under what duress and according to whom?

    As I prior stated, there was never a window for litigation of the event or dissenting opinions. A captured, terrorized military and nation are not credible witnesses.

    It’s a strange call to tell US servicemen they didn’t see what they saw.

    Which servicemen were they? Those chosen by the Allied forces and Jewish press to have their statements published? Was there a window to disagree at any time? Was this objectively investigated and litigated was it simply pronounced by Allied powers? The answer is the latter.

    There were no servicemen that were free to give their opinion. There was a crafted narrative using selected stories of men that are under the thumb of those creating the narrative. Nothing else.

    The ban against investigating or questioning the narrative today clearly reveals fear of an uncovered lie. Truth doesn’t fear investigation and litigation.

    Beyond that, the Jewish texts reveal that everything that the Germans stated about the Jews was correct.

    The Jewish texts include a recommended strategy to accuse Jewish enemies of false crimes:

    Psalm 69

    27Charge them with crime upon crime;

    do not let them share in your salvation.

    28May they be blotted out of the book of life

    and not be listed with the righteous.

    The Holocaust simply isn’t an argument anymore. There is too much scientific evidence against, witnesses without credibility being the central pillar of the evidence for it. They are nothing in terms of evidence, compared to the science.

    The Jews are self-stated aggressors and destroyers of all other nations. They admit to a false-accusation strategy.

    Posts such as yours presume a continued valid argument where there is none.

  78. Anon[110] • Disclaimer says:
    @216

    The Proud Boys operated explicitly with the goal of using physical violence (“self-defense”) against the left,

    Self-defense and “using physical violence against” are not remotely equivalent concepts. Your spin sucks. Back to remedial-level Leftist agitation classes.

    they also promoted drunkenness.

    And Leftists promote child transgenderism. Which is worse, douchebag?

    Far-left spies also claimed that they had different ideas behind closed doors.

    Any ‘Far left” person is as credible as any of the murdering and society destroying Judeo-communist monsters that they sprang from. That is, not in the slightest.

    Antifa openly has different ideas and they are the ones showing up to “counter protest” (riot) to use them. What is your point, exactly?

    No, I can’t imagine why they attracted such a crackdown.

    So, they “attracted” a crackdown because they said that they would defend themselves against violent Antifa types, like beer, and some “Far Left spy” said something negative about them?

    Cool story, jerkoff. Doubt it.

    On one point, Gavin McInnes, born in Scotland, is a Canadian citizen. Maybe its not good optics to have Canadians leading what is allegedly a US-based “nationalist” movement.

    Maybe its not “good optics” for Leftist faggots like yourself to try to dictate that one White group on one side of the border is not to associate with another genetically identical White group on the side of another political border, in what is clearly the beginnings of a race-based conflict. This is not Jewish-Nat-Civ-for-the-goyim, which is obvious to everyone but you apparently.

    McInnes, for all of his obvious flaws, is inherently more of our nation than many, many other paperwork Americans.

    Also, his wife is a leftist. Maybe he should try straightening her opinions out before trying to lead others.

    Cool. When the American “Right Wing” Jews stop openly advocating for Marxist social policy then we’ll begin to consider worrying about the wife of someone who is doing something for the actual Right (that’s not you, right?). Until then, we’re good as long as she isn’t a problem.

    Take a break and grab a bagel. You’ve earned it.

    • Replies: @216
  79. @Thomm

    WNs want the Jews to stop undermining White Nations/Countries

    Do Blacks want that from Whites, (how do Whites undermine Blacks ?) if they do, the solution is simple, Blacks can move to the African Country of their choice

    How long before no Country in Europe offers the same solution to Whites from the US who want to escape diversity ?

    Read Andrew Joyce’s latest article about Ireland as an example

    • Replies: @216
  80. Of course, the whites are the most cucked in all of this. Just look at where they stand. Gosh

    • Replies: @216
  81. 216 says: • Website
    @(((They))) Live

    Do Blacks want that from Whites, (how do Whites undermine Blacks ?) if they do, the solution is simple, Blacks can move to the African Country of their choice

    AFIAK, only Ghana has “right of return” for the African diaspora written into their lawbooks.

    It’s plausible that many blacks would like to leave the US, but mostly to a First World country with a more generous welfare state and stricter anti-discrimination laws.

    If Ghana sounds unappealing, Cuba has also historically been open to US black radicals, but I don’t see that many heading there.

    How long before no Country in Europe offers the same solution to Whites from the US who want to escape diversity ?

    That’s why the Trumpenreich is buying Greenland!

  82. 216 says: • Website
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    The Allied victory in the Second World War is a major part of the culture of Heritage Americans and Anglos.

    Many white Americans had a grandfather that served in the war, and the logic of the war was a major impetus behind the Civil Rights revolution.

    Its really a bridge too far to expect people to turn 180 degrees from their heritage, and celebrate the flags of a defeated government.

    Otoh, 40+ % were willing to state that Israel is engaged in ethnic cleansing/genocide; a position altogether unheard of in this country except for Tlaib/Omar. Even 20% of GOP agreed, though perhaps they think it would be a positive thing.

    • Replies: @L Woods
  83. @Mark G.

    Believe me, I have considered it. I am under no illusions about the negro population of the US. It’s the crowd one finds commenting on Phil Girardi articles that are the myopic jew haters, who simultaneously seem to think negros would be fine if not for the evil jews weaponizing them.

  84. L Woods says:
    @216

    Its really a bridge too far to expect people to turn 180 degrees from their heritage

    But the left asks that of them every day.

    • Replies: @216
  85. 216 says: • Website
    @L Woods

    Afiak, there is next to zero social pressure on the left side that Jews should convert to Christianity if they want to avoid discrimination.

    I’ve never seen DSA fly the USSR flag or the PRC flag at its rallies. The black-red anarcho-communist banner has never been a government symbol.

    Liberalism is a Western invention, neither Africans nor Asians created it, and they haven’t contributed as much to its subsequent development. Asking people to be liberal is not viewed as an attack on their heritage.

    The Alt-Right does promote a pro-Confederate and pro-NSDAP revisionism, and promotes a variety of far-right ideologies that never held much sway in any Anglo-Saxon derived country.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @dfordoom
  86. I wonder how much of the increase in “anti-semitism” among younger generations is a function of the decreasing share of younger generations that are white.

    It would be interesting to see a more thorough breakdown of “anti-semitism” among whites.

  87. “Battery of anti-semitism items”

    Describe 2019 better in 4 words, you can’t

  88. Thomm says:

    Yep, the Midland-Odessa shooter was identified as Seth Ator.

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/odessa-texas-shooting-sources-identify-gunman-as-seth-ator

    We don’t know if WN views were inherent to Seth Ator’s agenda, but that would not surprise anyone.

    I find it funny that the WN wiggers here insist that there are no such shooters, except that Anders Breivik is a hero to many of the WN commenters here.

    Their 70-IQ minds don’t seem to see the cognitive dissonance.

  89. @Mark G.

    Jewish influence in America may have negative effects but it is dwarfed by the negative effects of black influence.

    Black influence in the USA exists because of Jewish influence.  Most of the leaders of the NAACP were Jews until relatively recently, and the ACLU remains overwhelmingly Jewish.  Need I mention the SPLC?

    I saw a suggestion recently that Abraham Lincoln may have been Jewish.  The claim is that the town of Lincoln in England was a center of Jewry, and “Abraham” is a traditional Jewish given name.  So who better to lead the young USA into a ruinous brother war than someone who was a railroad lawyer and no doubt tight with bankers?

    Jews played both sides, of course.  The Treasury Secretary of the Confederacy was also Jewish.

  90. @Anon

    I can’t help but notice the theological parallel wherein Hell is described as the absence of the presence of God. That is the amusing desperation with which you animals treat your privileged proximity to the White group, and that we would give almost anything for you to forget.

    Quoted for truth.

  91. dfordoom says: • Website
    @216

    The Alt-Right does promote a pro-Confederate and pro-NSDAP revisionism, and promotes a variety of far-right ideologies that never held much sway in any Anglo-Saxon derived country.

    Promote might be too strong a word but the Alt-Right does seem to attract pro-Confederate and pro-NSDAP weirdos, and maybe to some extent encourage them.

    What’s really strange is that so many on the Alt-Right or dissident right seem shocked when the pro-Confederate and pro-NSDAP weirdos provoke hostile reactions not just from SJWs but from normies as well.

    If I had a paranoid mind I might of course suspect that at least of the pro-Confederate and pro-NSDAP weirdos are Feds. The really depressing thing is that some of them probably aren’t Feds.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
  92. the racial and generational divides.

    When you stop to examine this, it’s redundant.

  93. @216

    The reason that many Jews are married to WASPs is because both groups are secularized. Secular whites are the closest in political alignment to (secular) Jews.

    I’d say simple power politics and chieftain female swapping among the JEW/WASP ruling class of the American Empire to cement agreements and alliances and the like is the thing.

    Kloss is a Kraut, not a WASP. The Trump lady who married a Kushner is Kraut and Scottish with some Czech and Austrian.

    I use WASP the way Baltzell did — very narrowly defined down to old stocker Anglo-Saxon English East Coasters of the private school and Ivy Leaguer old money set.

    In New England you have loads of the settler and colonizer and founder old stocker English, but not that many WASPs.

    I love the old stocker English, they are funny as hell and they are lovably crazy in their own way.

    Kloss being a Kraut means she is part of the historic Anglo-Saxon continuum, of course. We all love those Kraut eyes that Kloss and Dunst and Schiffer and Kruger and the like have.

  94. @Mark G.

    I’m contemplating commissioning a poll with SurveyUSA that asks a reduced battery of questions like these for whites, blacks, Hispanics, and Asians (with cross-tabs).

  95. @anon

    It is a dehumanizing neologism. No more, Thomm, please. Just call them “white nationalist proles” or something. Thanks in advance.

  96. @EliteCommInc.

    “White” is a heuristic placeholder that will be replaced in fairly short order with specific genetic lines. We’ll probably come up with something easier to remember than R1a1, etc but that’s what biological identity will be based on.

    • Replies: @EliteCommInc.
  97. @bob sykes

    It’s up. I didn’t notice it go down.

  98. @MikeatMikedotMike

    Wow. Tears in the fabric of the coalition.

  99. @Audacious Epigone

    “We’ll probably come up with something easier to remember than R1a1, etc but that’s what biological identity will be based on.”

    Gattaca on steroids.

    —————————————

    “. . .the claim is food and medical supplies were disrupted by allied bombing leading to malnutrition and typhus.

    no one claims they were directly killed by allied bombs.”

    Appreciate the above.

    It’s a strange call to tell service men they didn’t see and experience what they claimed they saw and experienced.

  100. Feryl says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    Probably because when most blacks reference Jews, in their minds they are talking about whites.

    Nah, they are specifically referencing ethnic Jews, because of the long history of Jewish land-lords and (((entertainment industry))) figures making beaucoup bucks off of black people. Gentile whites are indeed questioned by blacks to a degree, given that the US government has historically been run by gentile whites. That being said, there’s an even greater animosity toward Jews because blacks tend to think of Jews as being sort of mega-white. Privileged, stingy, uptight, not historically a trustworthy ally of Western diaspora blacks, etc (as other have noted, blacks during the Civil Rights era often accused American Jews of “dual loyalty”, in the sense that Jewish Leftists were suspected of cynically using blacks for the benefit of Jews).

    “The DNA of Ashkenazi Jews is similar to Italians.”

    I have to admit to this. It’s a hard adjustment for me to make. But the constant attempt to weed out who is white and who isn’t based on minor shades is very strange. Most Europeans are white, they have unique adaptions based on environment, diet and some consistent trends in lineage with respect to local.

    Ashk. Jews don’t stand out as much in Southern Europe. But in Germany, Russia, England etc…..That’s another story. Northern Europeans are fairly homogeneous (really, Anglo-Slav-Teutonics are like blue-teal-green genetically speaking), which Jews and gentiles alike often notice.

  101. Feryl says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    But if someone says they are from Italy, Greece, Germany, France, Great Britain, Denmark, Poland . . . etc., until I see them face to face the reasonable default assumption is that they are white and be outside of that range of whiteness requires a skin tone that is deeper than a shade of whiteness.

    That some are trying to weed out Italians, Greeks and others is very strange. If you are a Jew and you are from Europe, the reasonable default assumption is they will look like most Europeans — white in various shadings.

    Have you read Carlton S Coon’s stuff on the “Races” of Europe? He talks about hair texture, skin tone, eye color, size and placement of facial features, size and shape of the physical frame, and so forth. It turns out that even Sweden has different “kinds” of Nordics, with one region/sub-group noted as having, for example, dark blonde hair and gray eyes (which I have myself). Gray eyes peak in Central Europe, while Celts often have deep blue eyes. Slavs and Teutonics have the straightest hair; unruly curls are more common as you go further South and West in Europe.

    Southern Europeans are not as dark skinned as is sometimes thought; Coon says that he measured skin tone via the armpit, and while naturally darker skin is slightly more common with Southern Europeans, many Southerners are actually quite pale when not tanned(look at Stallone in the first Rocky, filmed in the Northern US and back when Stallone didn’t use a tanning bed; Stallone is quite pale). Even the Ancient Romans didn’t seem to realize this; the reason the Northern barbarians were so pale was because they didn’t get the same sun exposure that the Romans did. The “healthy” Roman complexion was mostly a sun tan.

    I think a lot of people want to “weed out” the Mediterraneans because America, at one point, had a white population which had blue eyes at the rate of like 60% or something. America, in terms of temperament and blood, was influenced mainly by The British Isles, the Netherlands, Germany, and the Protestant regions of France. Our culture, like all Western cultures, is greatly indebted to the Greco-Roman innovators. That being said, we never have been genetically Mediterranean. There will always be a “split” between Southern, Northern, Western, and Eastern Europe, besides the conflicts that occur within these regions.

  102. Feryl says:
    @Thomm

    Thing is, terrorism usually reflects the dominant party of the era. In the increasingly Democrat dominated culture of the 1920’s-1970’s, terrorism was often Left-wing. Once the culture began to vilify the word “liberal” in the 1980’s, terrorism became more Right wing. Jewish Left-wing talk show host Alan Berg being assassinated by a legit Neo-Nazi gang in 1984 was a good example of this. Eric Rudolph, and numerous other pro-life terrorists, have targeted many clinics and doctors since the late 80’s. Ted Kacscyinski was a self-described “eco-fascist” who often ranted about “weak” Leftists in the 80’s and 90’s (Social Darwinism boomed after Reagan became president)

    I would suggest that since Obama’s second term, America isn’t quite Left or Right, so we’re getting terrorism from both sides. There are still a lot of Boomers who don’t want a revival of New Dealism (e.g. wholesome Leftism), so younger generations who desperately want a return to a stable and and well-regulated economy (and also want lower divorce rates, and jettisoning the perverted X-rated “if it feels good, do it” culture that Boomers launched in the 70’s and 80’s)are getting really pissed off; Boomer and Gen X “leaders” are mis-directing this rage toward culture war crap and fruitless racial squabbling (guns, abortions, gay pride parades, etc.), which is provoking both sides toward violence. Simply declaring, ala FDR, that American should get to work on building America up with ample government investment in infrastructure and manufacturing would signal a full revival of Leftism (hopefully of the good kind, not the full commie kind or the degenerate indulge your vices kind created by Boomers; for that matter, only Boomers ever wanted that culture, and it will die with them, Millennials and Gen Z aren’t even having sex!) and make things more peaceful (albeit with Leftist terrorism also being renewed at certain points).

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  103. “If it was a Hoax (and it was), it is obvious that these nations would not have had the option of denying it. Would they today? No. The same logic applies to then. There was no effective discovery and litigation of the supposed event. There was only a declaration of the supposed event. It follows that there was never a window to challenge the event.”

    If you have evidence that the list of countries I noted are in fact lying or suffering delusion, you are welcome to present it.

    “What “they” saw? Who is “they”? The entire German nation agrees? Military under capture and threat of death agree? Under what duress and according to whom? A civilian population agrees? Under what duress and according to whom?”

    There is no consequence now. Your suggestion is that Germany having lost the war simply folded up their arms and admitted to falsehoods. Nothing prevents Germany or any of the above countries from simply saying we confessed under duress. Germany is an integral part of the EU economy and social infrastructure. The only coercion that occurred happened when US Allied commanders forced the locals to visit the sites.

    I posted a reference in my comments on this matter. The Russians have no intense love affair of the Jews and they grant that the camps existed and that people were murdered by the Nazis. Everyone of those countries in my list grants that in fact Jews were in the camps and targeted.

    Now I think there is plenty of room to push back against exaggeration — and exploiting the matter beyond all reason — no issues. But a conspiracy that every European country was obliged to be a part of is a tough sell. Anything is possible, but it is unlikely.

    ————-

    “As I prior stated, there was never a window for litigation of the event or dissenting opinions. A captured, terrorized military and nation are not credible witnesses.”

    Again, It’s a strange call to tell US servicemen they didn’t see what they saw. I find it a strange call that service men just made up stories, that the footage of the dead is merely bodies that died from starvation and the flu. Though I have no doubt both were present.

    But Germany and others continue to acknowledge the episode. Nothing and no one is forcing them to do this:

    https://www.newsweek.com/german-government-funds-holocaust-memorials-ukraine-329872

    ————

    “Which servicemen were they? Those chosen by the Allied forces and Jewish press to have their statements published? Was there a window to disagree at any time? Was this objectively investigated and litigated was it simply pronounced by Allied powers? The answer is the latter.”

    If you have evidence that servicemen were forced to give false interviews and or testimony, you are welcome to provide it. And while i would agree that there are some legitimate questions about the ability to provide a fair trial.

    “I was only following orders” is a very strange defense to an incident that did not happen.

    “Beyond that, the Jewish texts reveal that everything that the Germans stated about the Jews was correct.”

    Well, I think there is plenty of room for doubt that everything was accurate. And that everything would be accurate about every Jew lacks any veracity on its face. And further, whatever the accusations, the ethnic designations, and targeted discrimination of all Jews is extreme to say the least.

    ——————————-

    “The Jewish texts include a recommended strategy to accuse Jewish enemies of false crimes:”

    Now I am going to walk carefully here. Because it will be easy for opportunists to bend my response to some strange wholly false understanding. But if you invade another country and you subject millions of people to arbitrary punishment, in this case ethnic cleansing and worse of those peoples, one should expect upon losing that conflict — to be accused of multiple crimes.

    And the scripture you have aborted to suit your purposes, and this is an old hat trick of yours, does not in any line of scripture advocate or condone “bearing false witness”.

    ———————————————————————————————–

    “The Holocaust simply isn’t an argument anymore. There is too much scientific evidence against, witnesses without credibility being the central pillar of the evidence for it. They are nothing in terms of evidence, compared to the science.”

    So on the one hand, you contend that the event never occurred but that Jews deserved it. That is very strange logic.
    ————————-

    “The Jews are self-stated aggressors and destroyers of all other nations. They admit to a false-accusation strategy.”

    Again, I have no doubt that the issue is rife for abuse. The problem is that the scope of the issue is of so large a magnitude as to make exaggeration almost trivial.

    And your last comment is inaccurate. I don’t presume anything. I simply state that x number of countries admit that the events in question took place, i am not in a position to tell them — it is a figment of their imagination rooted in guilt for something that never took place.

    ———————————-

    Your argument is not with me or the Jews, but with them.

    • Replies: @notanon
  104. Mark G. says:
    @Feryl

    I’ve been looking for signs of social conservatism among younger people. I think the current big teen pop sensation Billie Eilish is an interesting case. She always wears baggy clothes. She has said in interviews that she was pressured by people in the pop music industry to wear tight fitting and more sexually provocative clothing and rejected that. I think it is kind of admirable that she resisted this common music industry attempt to sexualize underage girl singers. It hasn’t hurt her popularity with her Gen Z peers. In fact it seems to have helped it. In interviews she has also condemned the glamorization of drug use and one of the songs on her hit album, the song “Xanny”, references that.

    • Replies: @Feryl
  105. I am responding to this l’est it appear I am avoiding an issue.

    “The Jews are self-stated aggressors and destroyers of all other nations. They admit to a false-accusation strategy.”

    On the matter of what occurred during WWII, multiple nation states concur, and extend the accusations — they admit the matter. Here’s something that I found interesting.

    ——

    Here is the German military (Wermarcht) standards regarding the treatment of prisoners:

    Section 47, German Military Penal Code (1872)

    If through the execution of an order pertaining to official duties, a penal law is violated, then the superior giving the order is solely responsible. However, the subordinate who obeys shall be punished as a participant:
    (1) if he exceeded the order he received, or,
    (2) if he knew that the order of the superior concerned an act which constituted a civil or military crime or offense.

    Excerpts from “Ten Commandments for
    the Conduct of the German Soldier at War”

    The German soldier fights honorably for the victory of his people. Cruelty and pointless destruction is dishonorable.

    No opponent who surrenders may be killed. This includes even the guerrilla fighter and the spy.

    They will receive their just punishment before the courts.

    Prisoners of war may not be mishandled or insulted. Weapons, plans, sketches are to be confiscated. None of their personal possessions may be taken.

    The civilian population is inviolable. A soldier may not arbitrarily engage in plunder or destruction.

    Historical memorials and buildings which serve as houses of God, or serve science, art, or the general welfare are especially to be safeguarded. Resources and services from the population may only be demanded against compensation only on the orders of superior officers.

    Ref:
    https://www.ushmm.org/professionals-and-student-leaders/military-professionals/historical-resources/instructor-resources/case-studies

    It appears that by the standards and practices of the German military code of conduct there are plenty of documented cases that violate the standards of the German military.

    No one needs a DNA or chemical sample to understand what is recorded by the German film makers shooting prisoners, prisoners being abused in the streets . . . the camps themselves are a violation.

  106. Feryl says:
    @Mark G.

    Most hit movies are now PG or PG-13.

    “Torture Porn” was created almost exclusively by Generation X in the 2000’s, but has essentially been non-existent in the 2010’s.

    “Rock music” is completely dead, at least if you go by the standards of that form of music in the 1970’s-early 2000’s (e.g., loud and thumping music that celebrates partying, “expanded consciousness,” rebellion, and anger).

    There are parallels to earlier eras. The GI Generation and Silent Generation, in the 1930’s-1960’s, were heavily responsible for a transition toward kinder and gentler pop culture (relative to the more tawdry and seedy pop culture of the Gilded Age that was produced and consumed by Losts). Although it should be noted that the current and next era won’t be as good as the New Deal era, just ‘cuz we aren’t doing the things we ought to be doing to get ourselves totally back on track.

    By 1970, it was obvious that Boomers (and the most “experimental” people within older generations) were making life more violent and sexualized (and sacrilegious), and they wanted entertainment to reflect that. As Boomer David Kaiser acknowledges, hearing Jack Nicholson boast about “fighting and f**king” was exhilarating to his generation in the early 70’s. And in the 70’s, the airwaves and screens would be over-flowing with the candid depiction of the excesses of life, the act of creating and ending life. Screen icons of the quintessential Boomer decade (the 70’s) would have thick wavy hair, sweaty and athletic looking bodies, and tight polyester wardrobes. They’d be the sort of people who could remorselessly sleep with you and/or gouge your eyes out. Compare this to the “square” fashion of the 50’s and much of the 60’s. Or the preppy (on one extreme) or alienated nihilist (punks, metalheads, grungers, and rappers on the other hand) fashion of the 80’s and 90’s (there also was the “jock” fashion that came about in the 80’s and 90’s, e.g. wearing exercise gear with company insignia visible).

    She always wears baggy clothes.

    Women’s fashion (and to some degree, men’s fashion) was increasingly baggy from the early 80’s-early 90’s. A lot of this can be put down to people by that point intuitively rejecting the sort of sleazy mindset that made the 70’s and 80’s so dangerous. We knew that predators had been unleashed, and why embolden them by wearing revealing clothes? And by the late 80’s, it was common to hear about the dangers of drugs, of gangs, of hitch-hiking, etc. Boomer youth culture celebrated wildness, Gen X-ers had to, like it or not, deal with what the Boomers had wrought.

  107. notanon says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    Again, It’s a strange call to tell US servicemen they didn’t see what they saw. I find it a strange call that service men just made up stories, that the footage of the dead is merely bodies that died from starvation and the flu.

    not flu, typhus

    typhus is spread by lice and fleas

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typhus

    In historical times “gaol fever” was common in English prisons, and is believed by modern authorities to have been typhus. It often occurred when prisoners were crowded together into dark, filthy rooms where lice spread easily.

  108. Dissident says:
    @notanon

    if the primary goal (at least of a zealot minority) is to prevent assimilation and philo-semitism leads to assimilation then it would make perfect sense for zealots to try and replace an attractive, high IQ and excessively philo-semitic population with low IQ, unattractive and mildly anti-semitic populations.

    Of the many subsets of Jews there are, the only one I am aware of that is emphatically, unambiguously, unequivocally, consistently and universally not only averse to assimilation but fundamentally opposed to it are the Orthodox. Want to guess the subset of Jews for which support for third-world immigration is the lowest? The Orthodox.

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  109. iffen says:
    @Dissident

    Typical Jewish response that tries to deflect criticism of (((their))) pernicious, duplicious and predatory behavior with facts and logic.

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