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A recent YouGov survey asked respondents whether male or female elected officials are better on thirteen different attributes of political leadership. The attributes followed by which sex is perceived to excel more at each of them among respondents who gave an edge to one sex or the other:

Handling immigration — Women
Working under pressure — Even
Maintaining civility and respect — Women
Handling economic conditions — Women
Working out compromises — Women
Standing up for what they believe in — Women
National security — Men
Creating a safe workplace — Women
Persuasion — Women
Compassion and empathy — Women
Serving as role models for children — Women
Dealing with the budget deficit — Women
Ethics and honesty — Women

The differences and some cross-tabs will come in a subsequent post, but this doesn’t look like patriarchy to me!

Channeling my inner Gibbon (or gibbon, mileage will vary), Christianity : Rome’s fall as Wokeness : America’s collapse? That analogy is at best strained. After all, Christianity flourished centuries into the future and without interruption in the east. My bet is that Wokeness, on the other hand, will not because it literally cannot–anymore than a fire can continue burning when all that is left of the log is char and ash.

 
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  1. Rosie says:

    Nobody asked me, but here’s what I’d have said if they did, off the top of my head and unfiltered:

    Handling immigration: Even
    Working under pressure: Men (without a doubt)
    Maintaining civility and respect: Women
    Handling economic conditions: Even
    Working out compromises: Women
    Standing up for what they believe in: Men (with qualifications)
    National Security: Even
    Creating a safe workplace: Men
    Persuasion: Even
    Compassion and empathy: Women
    Serving as role models for children: Even
    Dealing with the budget deficit: Even
    Ethics and honesty: Women

  2. Thomm says:

    Stunning. The only category above that women might actually be better than men at is ‘Persuasion’.

    They are objectively worse or at best even at everything else, and have no concept of what creates a free, prosperous, and just society.

    • Agree: L Woods
    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
  3. Thomm says:

    My scores :

    Handling immigration: Men
    Working under pressure: Men
    Maintaining civility and respect: Men
    Handling economic conditions: Men by far
    Working out compromises: Men
    Standing up for what they believe in: Men (Women only ‘believe in’ the dominant social opinion of their society, so are never a contrarian minority taking a risky position)
    National Security: Men
    Creating a safe workplace: Men
    Persuasion: Women
    Compassion and empathy: Men
    Serving as role models for children: Even
    Dealing with the budget deficit: Men
    Ethics and honesty: Men

    • Replies: @Rosie
    , @Rosie
    , @95Theses
  4. Rosie says:
    @Thomm

    Standing up for what they believe in: Men (Women only ‘believe in’ the dominant social opinion of their society, so are never a contrarian minority taking a risky position)

    Women have remained more religious than men despite the fact,that belief ia very unfashionable just now.

    • Replies: @Adam Smith
    , @MBlanc46
  5. Tusk says:

    Well I gave it a research because women being associated with ethics and honesty as a whole seemed interesting, as I do not think there would be a difference between the two in reality instead there seems to be a social bias towards women that promotes this view.

    Some quotes:

    “…in general women and men do not indicate much difference in their ethical attitudes. However, they did find three areas where women indicated a stronger ethical response than men: product information for consumers, minority hiring, and comparable worth…Specifically, the authors found that women were equally as likely as men to pursue unethical courses of action if public detection was not an issue…”
    From: https://www.jstor.org/stable/40604182

    “None of the ethical values, namely: Equality, Freedom, Honest, Responsible – are ranked significantly different (as determined eight times) by males or females…Men and women college students are ethically equivilent.”
    From: https://www.jstor.org/stable/25072599

    “Do women tend to be more ethical than men? When viewing the direction of the correlations or the mean scores, the results are not consistent. Overall males tended to be less ethical (higher mean score)…However, the difference between the mean scores of males and females was only significant in the Ukraine.”
    From: https://www.jstor.org/stable/25123203

    So it seems that overall (at least in business ethics studies) women do not fare any better than men in terms of opinions and behaviour. This reminds me of an experimental philosophy paper by Joshua Knobe (http://experimental-philosophy.yale.edu/Side-Effect.pdf%5D in which he tested people’s responses to whether or not a corporate chairman was responsible for positive/negative effects on the enviroment based on a program he agreed upon.

    When there were negative effects 82% blamed the chairman for causing them, but when there were positive effects only 33% thought he was responsible. I think perhaps this perception of ‘ethical’ women is largely similar: Men are not attributed with positive outcomes, women are. A comment by a man is derided, a comment by a woman is powerful. Of course the modern day conceptions of male-female behaviour would certainly reinforce that the bad men receive negative feedback for their behaviour whereas females are rewarded.

    Take for instance Epstein, while his behaviour is reprehensible nobody really seems to be discussing Ghislaine Maxwell and calling for her head. Similarly Alison Mack recruited women for a sex cult and while the NXIVM leader is being tried you probably will find more articles attacking Louis CK for returning to comedy than questioning whether women are equally culpable for the role they play for the sickos of the world.

    It’s give and take, perhaps women have a harder time with certain things, but they’re not being shouldered the burden of a constant media campaign against them and their misdeeds.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    , @Pericles
  6. Rosie says:
    @Tusk

    It’s give and take, perhaps women have a harder time with certain things, but they’re not being shouldered the burden of a constant media campaign against them and their misdeeds.

    Women are less likely to act unethically for personal enrichment than men. When they act unethically, it is usually for different reasons, i.e. to protect associates or institutions from harm. Women’s White-collar crimes are far less profitable than men’s.

    When women did manage to find their way into corporate fraud schemes, the researchers found that they often did so either by being romantically involved with a male member of the scheme or by having a particular skill set or position necessary to the scheme. More than half the women indicted didn’t enter into the schemes entirely voluntarily but were pressured into doing so by higher-ranking colleagues. And even among those women who did participate in fraudulent schemes, the majority profited far less than their male co-conspirators.

    https://www.ozy.com/acumen/women-and-white-collar-crime/1459

  7. Tusk says:
    @Rosie

    I suppose Elizabeth Holmes was just trying to save the world!

    • Replies: @Rosie
  8. @Rosie

    Here’s what I would have said:

    “Only three of these pieces of “political leadership” are things that the Feral, or ANY government, ought to be involved in, in the first place. So, this poll sucks, and you can take it and shove it up your pollster ass!”

    – A.E. Newman

    BTW, I’ll leave the trivial task of picking out those 3 to the commenters – the non-Socialist ones, that is.

  9. @Rosie

    Maintaining civility and respect: Women

    “Impeach the motherfucker!”

  10. This just shows that womenre are better bullshit artists. Interesting that two dimensions not polled are Trustworthiness and Effectiveness.

  11. In 1934 a young, Oxford-educated ethnologist, Joseph Daniel Unwin (1895-1936), published his epic book ‘Sex and Culture’ –

    In his book, J. D. Unwin shared his studies of three millennia of civilisation, and how Unwin was surprised by his own conclusion, that societies throughout history, had repeatedly become ‘feminist’ and ‘sexually free’, and in the process entirely destroyed themselves, every single time.

    Going back as far as ancient Babylon and Sumeria, through ancient Israel, Greece and Rome, down to the present, J. D. Unwin found there was a cycle from when sexual licentiousness began on a large scale, to when the society began major collapse. Given our 1960s Western sexual revolution, we could be getting close to an Unwin due day for feminist-sparked catastrophe.

    Most strikingly, Unwin found there was a huge hidden kind of cultural nuclear bomb, hidden within the nice-sounding ideals of ‘equal rights for women’, a ‘feminism’ which in fact destroyed marriage and then society itself.

    Surprising to many, is that what we see now today, has essentially all been tried before. Even 2000 and more years ago, there were sexual freedom eras, women demanding and getting equal rights, divorce enabling, alimony, etc … But the end result of all these supposedly ‘progressive’ programmes, was the destruction of marriage & the monogamous family … which in turn became social upheaval that terminated the civilisation in question.

    Sexual licence amongst males, is bad, Unwin found … but sexual licence for women, blows up the whole social edifice rather quickly. Unwin noted it was mostly when people had a bedrock of stable marriages, that creativity & culture could flower.

    This ties in to the ‘incel’ phenomena, i.e., the common ‘manosphere’ notation that women sexually on the loose focus on only 20% of the exciting ‘alphas’, dismissing the other 80% of men, who struggle to get attention … and that, given the legal options to blow up marriages but still get financial support extracted from the males, women cannot resist doing this, leading to a savage downward social spiral of fatherless households, whilst women are still angry they didn’t get what they wanted from the elusive Mr Alpha Chad

    Following Unwin, one would look at what goes wrong when the good notion of treasuring, honouring and protecting women … gets transformed into a political programme of giving feminists what they say they want … and which seems to be making a great of society, including even many of the feminists themselves, miserable.

    • Agree: jim jones, Cloudbuster
  12. Rosie says:
    @Tusk

    I suppose Elizabeth Holmes was just trying to save the world!

    Is this supposed to be a serious argument? If so, may I suggest you look up the word “usually” in the dictionary?

    • Replies: @Tusk
  13. jim jones says:

    We have just got rid of Theresa May here in the UK so I can definitely say that women are better at wasting money than men.

  14. Rosie says:
    @Pericles

    Women are wonderful.

    Yes, we are. I cannot help but think that much of the manosphere is about resentment of popular recognition of female superiority in a certain range of prized human attributes. The right generally accords significant deference to folk wisdom about group characteristics (i.e. “stereotypes”), except when it comes to anything relatively positive about women.

    The same could be said of radical feminism, of course.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  15. Rosie says:
    @Brabantian

    How many times are people going to come on this site peddling this crap as though it were fresh and insightful when in fact it is, at best, unsubstantiated, self-serving armchair bullshit?

    This ties in to the ‘incel’ phenomena, i.e., the common ‘manosphere’ notation that women sexually on the loose focus on only 20% of the exciting ‘alphas’, dismissing the other 80% of men, who struggle to get attention …

    had repeatedly become ‘feminist’ and ‘sexually free’,

    Here we go again, equating to very distinct ideas. What shitty manosphere men want: Sexual freedom for men, i.e. lots of hopeless, miserable prostitutes on offer, but strict control of women’s sexuality, for their own benefit.

  16. Anonymous[217] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosie

    Once you really look at the far right, they are just as dishonest as the far left.

    They only cite facts and statistics when it benefits them. They don’t actually believe the truth, just like the far left.

    Look at how quick they are to cite facts and empirical studies about blacks and hispanics. When the same exact studies show facts that favor asians and jews, they make up all sorts of excuses. Things like “but only elite private school Jewish children were tested! All the jews and asians must have been cheating on the IQ tests! White kids test scores are 24K proof of supreriority over black and hispanic kids, but asian kids scores have absolutely zero correlation with their IQs! These facts and statistics only apply to black and hispanic kids! When it comes to asians and jews, it’s whatever I say it is, facts be damned!”

    Now apply the same thing to women vs men. The far right will only cite facts and empirical data when it favors them. This whole entire study of women vs men is bogus, because you cannot quantify these things. Things like “creativity” or “nurturing” or “good role models” or “good ethics” are entirely subjective and thus bogus. It’s bogus for liberals to rate women as higher than men on these ideas, and it’s just as bogus for the alt-right to rate men as higher than women on them.

    If something is not entirely quantitative, it is bogus and completely subject to every individual’s personal biases.

  17. @Rosie

    The fact that men made a mistake is not an argument that women would do better. But I’ll give you a pass since women aren’t as good at logical thinking.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  18. Marcus says:

    “Standing up for what you believe in” isn’t always a positive, especially with women

    • Replies: @Realist
  19. iffen says:
    @Brabantian

    Raging sluts. Every. Damn. Time.

    • Replies: @Talha
  20. @Oleaginous Outrager

    Yes, women bring civility and respect to politics and anyone who disagrees is probably impotent, has a small penis and lives in his mother’s basement because he’s gay for Putin.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    , @L Woods
    , @Lot
  21. 95Theses says:
    @Brabantian

    Thanks for this. I can’t ever remember hearing of J.D. Unwin, but I did manage to find a Searchable Text PDF of the aforementioned book here:

    Sex and Culture, 1934, Joseph Daniel Unwin
    https://ia600309.us.archive.org/33/items/b20442580/b20442580.pdf

  22. This write-up has a fair amount of spin to it (about how “bad” men are), but it addresses a difference that probably is relevant to which “gender” accomplishes what and when.

    Researchers have measured gender differences in cooperation and punishment behavior. Results showed that men punish more than women, men obtain higher rank, and punishment by males decreases payoffs for both sexes. Furthermore, men are willing to punish people who have done nothing wrong, except cooperate to the fullest extent possible.

    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/04/180416124310.htm

    • Replies: @another fred
  23. @another fred

    Relevant:

    3 To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:

    2 A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;

    3 A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up;

    4 A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance;

    5 A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing;

    6 A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away;

    7 A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;

    8 A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.

  24. Marcus says:
    @Brabantian

    Didn’t he propose equality of the sexes as a remedy?

  25. Talha says:
    @iffen

    Yeah, but the problem is that “raging sluts” is the symptom, not the cause…that’s where people switch the horse and cart around. By the time you have raging sluts, you’re already toast and can only try to assess what got you to the raging sluts in the first place…they don’t just pop out of the woodwork magically as if they are sirens or sprites.

    Peace.

  26. 95Theses says:

    AE, here is a 1998 study undertaken by scholars John Lott – yes, that John Lott – and Larry Kenny which you might find interesting (not to mention provocative) that relates somewhat to the topic at hand.

    This is a Searchable Text PDF.

    How Dramatically Did Women’s Suffrage Change the Size and Scope of Government?
    https://chicagounbound.uchicago.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1237&context=law_and_economics

    • Replies: @Rosie
  27. Marcus says:
    @Talha

    His thesis seems shaky at best. Was the (Western) Roman elite more licentious in the 5th century than in its 1st century apogee (Caligula?? Tiberius??) Seems unlikely, Christians would surely disagree. Ancient Greece was too divided to stand up to Macedon or Rome, simple as. Babylon was ruled by a religious fanatic or madman (you might be interested to know that he traveled as far as Madina) in Nabonidus before it fell.

    • Replies: @Talha
  28. Rosie says:
    @Cloudbuster

    The fact that men made a mistake is not an argument that women would do better.

    Where exactly did I claim that women would do better, Mr. Logical?

    • Replies: @Cloudbuster
  29. Rosie says:
    @95Theses

    Does his analysis take into account lavish spending in the military-industrial complex?

    • Replies: @Marcus
    , @95Theses
  30. Rosie says:
    @Cagey Beast

    Yes, women bring civility and respect to politics and anyone who disagrees is probably impotent, has a small penis and lives in his mother’s basement because he’s gay for Putin.

    There you go again blaming women for Jewish rhetoric.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
  31. @Rosie

    Women have remained more religious than men despite the fact,that belief is very unfashionable just now.

    Religious belief is, overwhelmingly, the dominant social opinion of American society.

    • Replies: @advancedatheist
  32. Marcus says:
    @Rosie

    You have to admit that he has a point, female compassion is a powerful motivator, usually it’s a positive, but it can be manipulated to nefarious ends in a democracy (most egregiously with immigration). Of course you could also say that male passion for dominance is manipulated to support unneeded military actions, with detractors being castigated as unmanly (as if crushing an already enfeebled Iraq or Serbia was a heroic feat) .

    • Replies: @Rosie
  33. @Rosie

    Women are less likely to act unethically for personal enrichment than men.

    Clearly you jest.

  34. Talha says:
    @Marcus

    Yeah – I’m not sure how completely sound the theory is – and there are always exceptions to the general rule. Ibn Khaldun took a similar stance on the rise and fall of civilizations, but it had more to do with decadence in general and a society going soft – which may indeed lead to feminist expressions.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Marcus
  35. L Woods says:

    The American people are irredeemably deluded. Bring on the immigration: they deserve it.

  36. L Woods says:
    @Brabantian

    Wish I could agree twice: 1000x this (aside from the overly white-knightey last paragraph — women have proven over and over that they deserve no such cloying consideration).

    • Replies: @Rosie
  37. Marcus says:
    @Talha

    Seems right, the later elites of the Moors, Turks, Persians, Assyrians, etc. definitely appear to have gotten “soft” in comparison with their rugged forebears and he was bearing witness to some of that in his own time.

    • Replies: @Talha
  38. L Woods says:
    @Cagey Beast

    I’ve accepted that ~95% of white guys are irreparably blind regarding women. It may be generic. Little point in engaging with them regardless

  39. Talha says:
    @Marcus

    Yeah – so for instance, you can see if this happens in real time. The Jordanians still have a martial tradition for their elites, and this is the current crown prince:

    You’ll know the jig is up once they start losing that and having leaders that are bankers or textile salesmen or something – then you’ll get this guy:

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Marcus
    , @Twinkie
  40. Marcus says:
    @Talha

    Lol. I had a Spanish teacher from Granada, and he told me the Moors are mostly remembered as being incredibly decadent hedonists compared to their Christian neighbors at the time; basically the inverse of Europeans now being seen as licentious compared to MENA peoples (though I think there is stuff going on under the radar).

    Getting back to the subject I guess you could say that there were times in various dynasties when women became very powerful, and this was often in a stage of decline. Several late Western Roman empresses wielded great power, a few Ottoman sultans were completely beholden to women iirc, dowager Cixi of China, etc.; however, correlation doesn’t always mean causation.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Twinkie
  41. Talha says:
    @Marcus

    the Moors are mostly remembered as being incredibly decadent hedonists compared to their Christian neighbors at the time

    Not surprising. I mean they even had revivalist (somewhat extremist) movements like the al-Muwahiddun (Al-Mohads) that were triggered by this kind of decadence being ubiquitous. Of course, they took over and then eventually became decadent too…so there’s that. Yup – Moors got decadent, allied with Christians against their own brothers to keep this and that little kingdom and eventually got rolled up – that’s what happens (also another telltale sign of a society in decline is its constantly blaming everything and everyone else – again, the easy way out):

    however, correlation doesn’t always mean causation.

    I agree here. To me, it’s more one of the more obvious symptoms, not the underlying cause.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Marcus
  42. @Adam Smith

    Religious belief has started to decline in the United States like it has in other developed countries.

    And this has happened in “Hayekian” fashion: Spontaneously, organically, and without any central planning to bring it about.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Cloudbuster
  43. Twinkie says:
    @Talha

    The Jordanians still have a martial tradition for their elites, and this is the current crown prince:

    That’s because they have to live with a huge Palestinian population. 😉

    Not only did the current boy king of Jordan go to Sandhurst, he served in the British army. He also attended a shooting school in the U.S. among others. His daddy made sure that he was steeped in “martial tradition.”

    I approve, obviously.

    • Replies: @Talha
  44. @Rosie

    If your quoting of Thomm’s “National Security: Men” followed by a link to an article about we’re relying on China to build too much of our military technology was not intended to be a counterexample to “National Security: Men,” then please explain.

    That was the most generous interpretation I could infer. Otherwise, your comment is seemingly meaningless.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  45. Twinkie says:

    As soon as I saw this post, I thought this was Rosie click-bait.

    AE, why do you hate white women so much?

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
  46. Talha says:
    @Twinkie

    That’s because they have to live with a huge Palestinian population.

    Well, the current crown prince is technically half-Palestinian, so…

    This may have been a political marriage to make sure no “Black September” event occurs again.

    His daddy made sure that he was steeped in “martial tradition.”

    Certain cultures don’t take a leader seriously who is not.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  47. Twinkie says:
    @Marcus

    Getting back to the subject I guess you could say that there were times in various dynasties when women became very powerful, and this was often in a stage of decline.

    Then there is someone like Empress Theodora, a tough cookie by all accounts, who bucked up her husband at a crucial time and helped him reconquer much of the lost west.

    • Replies: @Marcus
    , @Audacious Epigone
  48. Marcus says:
    @Talha

    By contrast, Catholic Spaniards had determined and zealous men like this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francisco_Jim%C3%A9nez_de_Cisneros
    If the clergy had gotten their way, Spain probably would’ve kept pushing the crusade/reconquista into North Africa instead of fighting for dynastic possessions in Northern Europe. Needless to say, they’d probably condemn all of modern Spain to an auto de fe lol

    I remember reading about this. A fairly unique era in pre-modern history with women consistently exercising power in a major power I guess.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sultanate_of_Women

    • Replies: @Talha
  49. Talha says:
    @Marcus

    Yeah, it didn’t lead to great things:
    “The excessive interference of the harem women in state politics was instrumental in the decline and fall of the empire. Ironically , such meddling began during the reign of Suleyman the Magnifıcent, the most powerful period in the empire’s history (l520-66). It was then that the women moved with Roxalena from the Old Palace, built by Mehmed the Conqueror, to the Seraglio harem ( l 541 ) , and approached the seat of power .This marked the beginning of the Sultanate, of the Reİgn of Women, which lasted a century and a half, until the end of the struggle between Kösem and Turhan sultanas (1687).

    After Suleyman’s death, the sultans no longer led their armies in campaign or in battle, retiring instead to the womb of the harem. They detached themselves from world affairs and spent most of their time in the company of women. This royal seclusion greatly diminished their ability to govern, and in varying degrees, sultanas began wielding influence over state officials, with bribery and patronage supplanting promotion on the basis of merit. A succession of child sultans and mentally deranged ones after Mehmed III’s death in 1603 made women the power behind the throne. ”
    http://www.theottomans.org/english/family/harem16.asp

    Peace.

    • Agree: Marcus
  50. @Rosie

    Exploiting human nature and creating human nature are not the same thing.

    Why did the Jews make her do this?

    • Replies: @Rosie
    , @MikeatMikedotMike
  51. Marcus says:
    @Twinkie

    Good point. And of course there’s Boudicca, Joan d’Arc, Eleanor of Aquitaine, etc.

    • Replies: @Talha
  52. Talha says:
    @Marcus

    Can’t forget Catherine – the Russians certainly won’t.

    Peace.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
  53. Twinkie says:
    @Talha

    Certain cultures don’t take a leader seriously who is not.

    A decadent Jordanian king wouldn’t have lasted very long, given the constant threat of a PLO coup. It’s just the reality for those who live under the gun.

  54. Rosie says:
    @Cagey Beast

    Why did the Jews make her do this?

    I don’t even know who she is. All I know is that if I came on this site posting examples of men behaving badly and used it to demonize men in general, I would rightly be hooted off this site for stupidity, sophistry, and bad faith.

  55. Rosie says:
    @Cloudbuster

    That was the most generous interpretation I could infer. Otherwise, your comment is seemingly meaningless.

    My point was simply this: If you are claiming that men are “more trustworthy” than women on national security, then you’ve got your work cut out for you. When you stake out an ambitious claim, you have to rise to the occasion. My position was more moderate:

    National Security: Even

    See my post up thread, #1.

    Given the fact that men have handed over our industrial base to the Chinese, I thought my “even” response was quite charitable. You are correct that I have no proof women would have done better, but it’s hard to imagine how we could possibly have done any worse. Men have consistently allowed ZOG to use (mostly White) American boys as cannon fodder in Jew wars, profligately squandering taxpayer dollars in the meantime, earning us the enmity of millions around the world, whom you then proceed to allow into our countries to blow our children to bits.

    • Replies: @Cloudbuster
    , @95Theses
  56. Rosie says:
    @L Woods

    Wish I could agree twice: 1000x this (aside from the overly white-knightey last paragraph — women have proven over and over that they deserve no such cloying consideration).

    L Woods the Jew troll still running his mouth in the teeth of all the evidence that refutes him.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  57. @Rosie

    it’s hard to imagine how we could possibly have done any worse.

    Oh, I can imagine a lot.

    • Agree: Tusk
    • LOL: Rosie
  58. @advancedatheist

    without any central planning to bring it about.

    I’m sure the Supreme Court-ordered secularization of the public schools had nothing to do with it.

  59. Rosie O’Donnell might be the ugliest Rosie, but our Rosie is the most delusional.

  60. iffen says:

    OT

    Israel on Thursday announced the extraordinary move of not allowing Reps. Ilhan Omar of Minnesota and Rashida Tlaib of Michigan to visit.

    God is definitely on our side.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  61. 95Theses says:
    @Rosie

    Lavish? Oh, if only!

    The latest Index of Military Strength – an annual study undertaken by the Heritage Foundation – gave an overall assessment of U.S. military power as only marginal.

    Which is only due, in large measure, to government spending for every other sort of welfare project made possible since women’s suffrage. Thanks ladies!

    http://thf-graphics.s3.amazonaws.com/2018/2019%20Index%20of%20Military%20Strength/Section%20PDFs/2019_IndexOfUSMilitaryStrength_ASSESSMENT_POWER_ALL.pdf

    Repeal the 19th Amendment!
    — Ann Coulter

    • Replies: @Rosie
    , @Mark G.
  62. @Thomm

    TROLL already wasted on Thottie, but I AGREE with this.

    90% of women at work are absolutely useless and annoying.

    Some, a small percentage, especially older women, are very good at socializing and coordinating things, the way they used to do for their communities. They have excellent manners and are very prim and proper.

    But 99% of women under 30 are totally brainless. Had to listen to some moron today talking about her new black boyfriend in the staffroom. I give it 4 months until he’s gone.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  63. @Oleaginous Outrager

    I ABORT MY BABIES, BITCH

    FUCKKK DRUMPF

    HILLARY IS MY PRESIDENT

    REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

    t.average woman in politics

  64. @Talha

    Agreed.

    Women are always “sluts” because it’s in their nature to breed. If you wanted the human race to move forward (reproduce), you would design women to desire alot of sex with strong men.

    Men have come up with systems to tame this, in a way that makes women happier, men happier, and society healthier (monogamous marriage). Women will usually conform to what the dominant men want. They are good at “shape shifting”.

    So when man fails to keep the mold in shape, of course women will revert to their primal instincts. I don’t blame women for simply acting out in their most animal ways. It’s like expecting a dog to not bark or a black person not to steal. It’s just their nature and we need to accept, and manage that (training and criminal justice).

    It’s ultimately man’s role to keep the women under control, and Western men have failed at this. In fact I know some women who would love a boyfriend/husband. But all the men they know are only looking for “casual” relationships – and they have not been redpilled by their fathers. Of course they will act like this.

    It’s up to betas like many of the frequent woman haters on this forum to take charge. If you want women to respect you, be respectable and dominant. Find a good woman and tell her that her job is to make babies and run the house.

    It’s all on men.

  65. Talha says:
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    It’s ultimately man’s role to keep the women under control, and Western men have failed at this.

    This can only happen once men themselves have lost control over their own selves. Women will see that as hypocritical and (rightly) point it out.

    If men retain control over their own animal/lower self, they will retain the moral authority to be able to demand it of women. If they do not, then they will naturally want women easily available to despoil – it’s a downward spiral.

    Men actually can prevent things from going out of control by keeping stupid, horny, young men in check – that’s actually one of the primary goals of patriarchy; blueballing young men that aren’t yet responsible enough for a role as a husband and a father by keeping them away from their daughters.

    It’s all on men.

    Correct – and a serious patriarchy realizes that and doesn’t waste its time blaming women because that would be admission that the fairer sex plays an equivalent role in the matter of keeping society from falling apart.

    Peace.

  66. 95Theses says:
    @Rosie

    What does this photo mean? What is its context?

  67. Tusk says:
    @Rosie

    Oh I thought you were joking by replying with my journal articles with some random media website. Did you expect me to take you seriously?

  68. Lot says:
    @Cagey Beast

    It’s hard not to be gay for Putin, hot damn!

  69. L Woods says:
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    It’s up to betas like many of the frequent woman haters on this forum to take charge. If you want women to respect you, be respectable and dominant. Find a good woman and tell her that her job is to make babies and run the house.

    Oh boy are you going to be in for a learning experience

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
  70. @Rosie

    Cooking dinner: wimyns
    Scrubbing floors: wimyns
    Being barefoot: wimyns
    Breast feeding the chitlins: wimyns
    Making me a sammich: wymins
    The occasional early morning handy: wimyns
    Being seen and not heard: wymins
    Using the rest of the toilet paper without changing the roll: wimyns
    Coming home with a new dent in the side of the car with no idea where it came from: wimyns
    Thinking that shit gets fixed around the house by magic: wimyns.
    My laundry better be folded and put away or I’ll use my left hand to give you matching shiner on the other eye…

    Well, you get the idea.

    • LOL: Twinkie
    • Troll: Audacious Epigone
  71. @Twinkie

    I’m not sure that disproves the point, though. That was a time of Roman decline. The plague probably deserves more blame than Theodoa, I admit.

  72. @Rosie

    Do you see a Jew behind every curtain?

    • Replies: @Rosie
  73. @iffen

    I’m moderately pro-Israel, so am an outlier here at UR, but even if I wasn’t, I’m glad to see this. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander. Jared Taylor was banned from the entire Schengen area for speaking, for decades, in favor of the countries contained therein. Where were the pearl-clutchers then?

    • Replies: @iffen
  74. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    The separation of procreation from fornication is a development we are woefully biologically unprepared for.

  75. @95Theses

    It was from one of the Muslim vehicle attacks in Paris (IIRC). The dead girl was covered up both literally and figuratively. The drowned Syrian boy was all over the place for months. This French girl, killed by a migrant the dead Syrian boy was exploited to open the floodgates for, was gone in a day.

    • Replies: @95Theses
  76. Rosie says:
    @Audacious Epigone

    Do you see a Jew behind every curtain?

    I’ve accused a grand total of two people on this site of being Jew trolls, L Woods being one of them.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  77. Rosie says:
    @95Theses

    the Heritage Foundation

    If the HF says it, well then by golly it must be true.

    If you want to take away the oldster’s social security and Medicare to spend yet more on the military, knock yourself out, but I doubt it will be very popular, and it’s not because of the 19 Amendment.

    • Replies: @95Theses
  78. @MikeatMikedotMike

    LOL!

    No sense of humor: Skoomahmz.

    PS.: My list was no more an effort in trolling than the comment to which it was in reply.

    • Agree: iffen
  79. Rosie says:
    @Marcus

    Of course you could also say that male passion for dominance is manipulated to support unneeded military actions, with detractors being castigated as unmanly

    Indeed. The difference is that I don’t demand that men be disenfranchised for not being totally free of any weakness that could possibly be exploited by a vicious elite that shouldn’t be running the country anyway.

    The “male passion for dominance” has caused the West all sorts of grief. It is at least as responsible for the Imperial backwash currently overrunning Europe as any supposed excessive female compassion towards outsiders.

    Let me be clear, I don’t enjoy attacking White men, but sometimes a good offense is the only defense.

    • Replies: @Tusk
  80. @Twinkie

    That’s exactly what it is, but somehow I’m the troll. LOL

  81. Twinkie says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    I think this says more about you than about “womyns.”

  82. @Cagey Beast

    Shouldn’t they have hit the “lunk” alarm or something?

  83. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:

    Clausewitz famously said that war is the continuation of politics by other means, but it’d be more accurate to say that politics is the continuation of war by other means.

    As such, this is sort of a nonsensical question. It’s like asking if women have more testosterone than men or if women have penises. Women are not warriors, period, and thus not political in the fundamental sense.

    The fact that there are women LARPing at politics doesn’t change this fact. The women LARPing at politics today only do so at the behest of men who are using those women to engage in politics – that is war – against other men. Or in a decadent society, the fundamental nature of politics, that is the continuation of war by other means, becomes so obscured that women step in. But that is only temporary and ultimately presages the ultimate decline of such a society, which will end up being replaced by men, whether via internal coup or an external power.

  84. MBlanc46 says:
    @Rosie

    In Europe, it used to be only old women in churches. In the contemporary US in the mainline churches, it’s all “womyns” ! and “gays”! and “transes”! now. Not surprised if women far outnumber men.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  85. Tusk says:
    @Rosie

    To the ignore list after this moronic comment.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  86. DIE FRAUEN SIND UNSER UNGLUECK

  87. iffen says:
    @Audacious Epigone

    What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.

    One of my main rules of thumb, but I only apply it to situations I care about. I don’t care for the squad and even less about Taylor. I’m a Zionist once removed, but again I don’t care about this issue vis-a-vis Israel and Jews. This helps Trump run against the squad which is good for me and the country. I just hate that he had to get Putin to pressure Netanyahu into banning them.

    (Any Jew watchers know if AIPAC has ever opposed an action by an Israeli government. I thought that it was in their by-laws or something that they were required to support Israeli government policies regardless.)

  88. Rosie says:
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    TROLL already wasted on Thottie, but I AGREE with this.

    I’m getting really tired of this shit. Why does UFO get to call me a whore for having an opinion?

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
    , @L Woods
  89. Rosie says:
    @Tusk

    To the ignore list after this moronic comment.

    To which you evidently have no rational reply.

  90. Rosie says:
    @MBlanc46

    In Europe, it used to be only old women in churches. In the contemporary US in the mainline churches, it’s all “womyns” ! and “gays”! and “transes”! now. Not surprised if women far outnumber men.

    I think you have a chicken-and-the-egg problem there.

  91. Mark G. says:
    @95Theses

    95Theses says we spend too much on welfare and Rosie says we spend too much on the military. I’ll settle this argument. You are both right!

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
  92. The real differences between the sexes are genetic. Generalizations about half the human race that don’t refer back to those differences are subjective. Not that there is anything wrong with that.

  93. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    “Find a good woman and tell her that her job is to make babies and run the house”

    When you get out of the hospital, try again and keep trying until it works, or until you give up and become a lifelong incel.

    • Replies: @L Woods
  94. @Rosie

    “Why does UFO get to call me a whore for having an opinion?”

    It’s because the discussion is online. If it were face to face, he would only do it once because you would snatch him baldheaded the first time.

  95. L Woods says:
    @Twodees Partain

    The woman won’t put him in the hospital (not that they couldn’t get away with it), but the cops will if he tries to backup his life bluster. The idea (not uncommon in these parts) that one’s “game” can overcome the overwhelming power of the state and society marshaled on women’s behalf is hubris of the most comical sort.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  96. L Woods says:
    @Twodees Partain

    Reflected internet tough guy syndrome. An uncommon variety.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  97. L Woods says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    Indeed. Truly, they are too good, too Wonderful for us.

  98. Rosie says:
    @L Woods

    can overcome the overwhelming power of the state and society marshaled on women’s behalf is hubris of the most comical sort.

    Heaven forbid the state undertake to punish wifebeaters!

  99. Rosie says:
    @Twodees Partain

    “Why does UFO get to call me a whore for having an opinion?”

    It’s because the discussion is online. If it were face to face, he would only do it once because you would snatch him baldheaded the first time

    UFO’s To Do list:

    1. Wonder why people think women are more civil than men.
    2. Call woman a whore for disagreeing with me.
    3. Spend some more time wondering why people think women are more civil than men.

  100. @L Woods

    Not at all, L. It was a joke. Imperviousness to humor; a very common trait.

  101. @Twodees Partain

    I regularly speak of my opinions with women. Usually the agree when I phrase it gently.

    When it’s a roastie I speak bluntly. They never have any comeback except sputtering.

    They better not hit me because i will hit back twice as hard and defend myself in court.

    They know not to hit me.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  102. L Woods says:
    @Rosie

    Because it’s a stupid opinion?

    • Replies: @Rosie
  103. Rosie says:
    @L Woods

    Because it’s a stupid opinion?

    Stupid opinions are ones that are offered without supporting facts or logic, like yours.

  104. @L Woods

    you’re just a natural beta

    women usually bend the knee to me.

    i dont explicitly say that i am in charge. but that’s because i don’t have to.

    • Replies: @L Woods
  105. @Audacious Epigone

    Women are.

    Men just like to swing the sword. In our primitive state, nobody thinks about the baby that could happen, we just go in.

    I’m not saying that this is a good or ideal state of mind for our men.

    But men are “fine” in this feminist culture. It’s really women who are getting screwed over, who don’t get as much fulfillment from the sexual act itself as men do.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Talha
    , @L Woods
  106. @Rosie

    Of course you know the obligatory follow up question.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  107. Talha says:
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    It’s really women who are getting screwed over

    Yes, for the most part. Some women eventually get this, but by that time it’s too late:

    Of course, if the women involved in this madness simply asked for their father’s advice before making this – ahem – career choice or figuring out which guy is worth their time to pursue, none of this would even be an issue. I doubt any father worth his salt wants to hear about his daughter riding the carousel or getting paid to get publicly plowed on camera by strangers.

    Of course, to be honest, you’ve also got to own your decisions too. Saying; “It wasn’t my fault that I ate a whole pizza and drank 3 sodas a day and became a walking mountain of flesh with multiple organ failures – it was all those advertisements on the billboards that conditioned me…” is a silly way to deflect responsibility for one’s failures in decision making.

    Peace.

    • Agree: 95Theses
    • Replies: @95Theses
  108. Pericles says:
    @95Theses

    Terrorist attack in Nice, a muslim scumbag took his truck of peace and ran over 84 people, including 10 children. That girl was one of them.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-1309030/People-flee-panic-truck-ploughs-Nice-crowds.html

    Not the same as muslim scumbags torture and murder 180 people in Paris, or muslim scumbags blow up the subway in Brussels, or muslim scumbag blows up little girls at degenerate concert in Manchester, or the various others trucks of peace that muslim scumbag asylum liar freaks have used for indiscriminate murder. The list goes on.

    • Replies: @95Theses
  109. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    “I regularly speak of my opinions with women…. ”

    …He said, trying clumsily to adjust his new wig.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
  110. 95Theses says:
    @Audacious Epigone

    Okay, that makes sense. I do not recall the photo.

  111. 95Theses says:
    @Pericles

    Thanks. I definitely recall the incident, but I do not remember seeing this photo.

  112. Rosie says:
    @Audacious Epigone

    Anon 375.

    I haven’t been able to find it for awhile, but there is a quote about the futility of attempting to reason with certain people that really gets to the heart of the matter. The upshot is that they continue spreading the same lies and fallacies regardless of how many times they’ve been called out.

    Can anyone help me out with that?

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  113. 95Theses says:
    @Audacious Epigone

    That’s one take on sex. Here’s another (with which I agree):

    Chastity is the most unpopular of the Christian virtues. There is no getting away from it: the old Christian rule is, “Either marriage, with complete faithfulness to your partner, or else total abstinence.” Now this is so difficult and so contrary to our instincts, that obviously either Christianity is wrong or our sexual instinct, as it now is, has gone wrong. Of course, being a Christian, I think it is the instinct which has gone wrong,

    But I have other reasons for thinking so:

    1. Biology: The biological purpose of sex is children, just as the biological purpose of eating is to repair the body. Now if we eat whenever we feel inclined and just as much as we want, it is quite true that most of us will eat too much: but not terrifically too much. One man may eat enough for two, but he does not eat enough for ten. The appetite goes a little beyond its biological purpose, but not enormously. But if a healthy young man indulged his sexual appetite whenever he felt inclined, and if each act produced a baby, then in ten years he might easily populate a small village. This appetite is in ludicrous and preposterous excess of its function.

    — C.S. Lewis, Mere Christianity

    https://godinthewasteland.com/category/c-s-lewis/

  114. 95Theses says:
    @Rosie

    I have been in favor of raising the retirement age in keeping with changes in life expectancy for at least the past 35 years. And I was about 25 years old when I adopted that position – so I understood even then what that would require of me.

    Of course, I realize most Americans won’t agree to the changes, but so what? Your rebuttal doesn’t undo either the thrust of Lott and Kenny’s monograph or the know-nothings at Heritage Foundation’s recommendation that America is in need of more defense spending.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    , @Rosie
  115. 95Theses says:
    @Talha

    Few things anger me more than does pornography. I have long said that if 95Theses were king, it would be outlawed. And trafficking in it would carry stiff fines and punishments.

  116. @95Theses

    The world through porn:

    -negroes have a big penis
    -white women love negroes
    -white women are sluts
    -white people love to have sex with their step parents
    -asian women want white cock
    -asian men don’t actually exist

    Unsurprisingly, the industry is completely jew – owned and jew – run.

    Even Arab women are getting BLACKED these days.

    • Replies: @95Theses
    , @dfordoom
  117. 95Theses says:
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    And there you have it. No self-respecting woman would ever allow themselves to be subjected to any of the above. I feel terrible for them that they feel the need to do these things.

    I am pleased to know that someday the purveyors of this material will be involuntarily relocated to a considerably warmer environment.

    • Replies: @L Woods
  118. L Woods says:
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    No, it isn’t women who suffer the most (and moreover, as the causes of it, they’d only deserve it if they were). You’re just posturing by insinuating that you’re part of the minority of men who ostensibly benefit from the dysfunction. I’ve only seen this routine, oh, about 1000 times

  119. L Woods says:
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    There seems to be a uptick in tryhard keyboard warriors around here lately. Must be climate change.

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
  120. 95Theses says:
    @Thomm

    A side note: How well do women compare to men on 10 questions of national interest recently asked by Pew research? Ruh-roh.
    https://www.pewresearch.org/quiz/the-news-iq-quiz/

  121. @95Theses

    The Pew “news IQ” surveys are a thing I used to track here years ago. Without fail men always perform considerably better than women. It’s always been this way and it probably always will be.

  122. @95Theses

    If it has to do with nurturing or human health, women do relatively better. Notice in that iteration that men and women do about the same on the question about the zika virus and the water in Flint.

    • Replies: @95Theses
  123. @95Theses

    I have been in favor of raising the retirement age in keeping with changes in life expectancy for at least the past 35 years. And I was about 25 years old when I adopted that position

    What took you so long?

  124. @L Woods

    It really isn’t that hard to get laid as an average looking guy, if you want it and you try.

    But, as I stated before, it’s still not an ideal situation.

    Getting laid =/= starting a good family and raising a multitude of white children.

    Sluts are just there to fulfill a physical need while you keep looking hard for the right white woman to raise a family with. For instance, non-white women often make good sluts; you can keep a clean conscience as you know you are not defiling a more valuable white woman, while simultaneously meeting your basic needs.

    But our number one goal is to have white children. Anything less than 6 redpilled offspring is unacceptable for a D-righter.

  125. @Audacious Epigone

    The separation of procreation from fornication is a development we are woefully biologically unprepared for.

    That’s all going to come to an end fairly soon. Not because people are going to take a more “responsible” attitude towards sex, but because an increasing number of us are becoming, in a very Nietzschean way, “better and more evil.”

    I will explain.

    Fornication without procreation, or at least the possibility thereof, just isn’t any fun. The whole thrill, the whole heart-pounding mystique of fornication—and especially of adultery, of raiding and seducing women, or of having otherwise illicit sex with a woman who is normally out of your league due to barriers of age and class and social position—comes from the implicit knowledge that you are “doing the deed,” that you are overcoming barriers and begetting new life in a higher, better, more purified stream than where you began. For a few moments you feel like the king of the world; and indeed you are, for in your being life is accomplishing its primary purpose.

    Things like birth control and coitus interruptus frustrate the act and, in doing so, poison the experience. Whatever else you may thing about Freud, he certainly got that part right.

    I’ll need to truncate the rest of my intended comment due to constraints of time, but my general point is that those who seek real glory want not only to have sex with women but they want the consequences thereof. They want children, big families, many descendants, and the thrill of overcoming. They don’t want to be alpha douchebags squirting their juice into a plastic sleeve, but real men.

    The greater evil overcomes the lesser evil and becomes the good.

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
  126. @L Woods

    I’m just tired of your blackpilled whining. I (and others) have already given you multiple strategies to help cope with your depression and get your life back on track, but you keep ignoring the advice, instead choosing to make whiny comments on the UNZ Review.

    Work out, pray, learn a hobby, stay busy, improve yourself, learn to cook good food.

    If you choose to be celibate for now, don’t be angry at women. Focus on being at peace with yourself, and perhaps you may find the right woman, maybe not. But that’s ok because you are at peace. Just relax, and let God guide you.

    • Replies: @L Woods
  127. dfordoom says: • Website
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    Unsurprisingly, the industry is completely jew – owned and jew – run.

    Is that actually true? Or is it just one of those things that some people believe because if porn is bad it must be run by the Jews because the Jews must be responsible for everything that is bad? Is it like Democrats who assume that if Democrats lose an election that’s a bad thing so therefore it must be a Russian plot?

    You might be right, but do you have actual evidence?

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
  128. dfordoom says: • Website
    @95Theses

    Few things anger me more than does pornography.

    What worries me most is porn bleeding into popular culture in general. Bleeding into mainstream movies, into pop music, etc.

    • Agree: Talha
  129. @Intelligent Dasein

    Yup.

    Look at the Trump family.

    Don Sr. – 5 kids
    Don Jr. – 5 kids
    Eric – 1 kid but more coming
    Jewvanka – 3 children

    I know Trump isn’t too popular around here but I do like that part of him, and how old school men operate. Old school men actually like having sex and having babies. Trump is a greasy bastard but give him credit, he has done his part and raised 5 children.

    There is literally nothing manlier than having many children. I’m not a fan of Muslims but I have to respect them for having so many kids.

    2 kids = wimp, but at least he procreated
    3 kids = he has at least some manly tendency
    4 kids = solid man
    5 kids = has a breeding agenda (good thing)
    6 kids + = Alpha male God status.

    Nothing more alpha than a man who likes fucking AND who likes having kids.

  130. L Woods says:
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    and you try.

    The “trying” part is actually an enormous problem: years upon years of what should have been peak productive and creative activity squandered on socially useless zero sum sexual competition (which only a minority will get much out of anyway).

  131. L Woods says:
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    I am not celibate, am “angry at women” regardless, and rightly so. This “gee, look in the mirror loser!” boilerplate is pointless. It’s nonsense and I’m immune to it.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  132. Rosie says:

    News Flash:

    I have excellent news to share with you all. Mike Enoch has informed us that men are more empathetic than women. Therefore, you can all stop blaming women for undue pity to strangers. Who’s up for a debate on whether men should be disenfranchised on account of their excess empathy and concomitant inability to think rationally about White interests?

    https://therightstuff.biz/2019/08/14/tds480/ (second half)

  133. Rosie says:
    @95Theses

    I have been in favor of raising the retirement age in keeping with changes in life expectancy for at least the past 35 years.

    That’s a terrible idea. Young people have enough trouble finding work as it is.

  134. Rosie says:
    @L Woods

    (and moreover, as the causes of it, they’d only deserve it if they were).

    Still no evidence. Are you stupid, or are you a liar?

  135. Rosie says:
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    Sluts are just there to fulfill a physical need while you keep looking hard for the right white woman to raise a family with. For instance, non-white women often make good sluts; you can keep a clean conscience as you know you are not defiling a more valuable white woman, while simultaneously meeting your basic needs.

    This must be an example of that excellent male capacity for empathy at work.

    Mike himself provided one in the very podcast I linked above. After reporting on some White girls who got their lives ruined after being caught on camera saying “niqqer,” he dismissed their misfortune on the grounds that women are “always employable” because we have a “pussy.”

    IOW, I don’t have to show any sympathy or solidarity with racially conscious White girls because they always have the option of becoming whores!

    Isn’t that special?

    And to think, he is among the best White men have as advocates. Sometimes I think White men really are just too irrationally hateful to deserve a future, but then I remember that the data show that White men don’t agree with manosphere misogyny. Like Mr. Sailer says, there’s too much fraternizing with the enemy.

    • Replies: @iffen
  136. Hazel McCallion ran Mississauga, Canada’s 6th largest city, in 1978—2014 (she retired at 93) and was re-elected 10 times.

    The explosion they heard was from the now-infamous 1979 train derailment in Cooksville. While that terrifying event saw the entire city evacuated for almost a week, not a single person was injured or killed. During that entire week, McCallion slept for a mere 14 hours and showed the grit that endeared her to Mississauga for the rest of her life.

    “I really don’t think one week can make or break a career. But what that week did show, under intense media scrutiny, was that I always work for the people and the city of Mississauga. I show up for work every day, doing my best for the people of Mississauga, always trying to deliver value for their tax dollars and putting people first.”

    That event secured re-election for McCallion and allowed her to instil her plans without the stress of campaigning. In fact, her re-election became such a foregone conclusion that she barely ran any campaigns whatsoever in the 90’s and 2000’s.

    During which time, growth spread out from Square One Mall, which was deemed the city centre. Things moved quickly with downtown changing from an area with a few fields and cows, to become an urban sprawl with a new city hall by 1987, followed by countless restaurants, a big library, the Living Arts Centre, Sheridan College, and multiple expansions of Square One itself. Further expansion around Mississauga included the Hershey Centre, new bus lines and stations, the Riverwood Conservancy, and the initial stages of the Light Rail Train.

    The expansion was so rapid that Hazel became known as the “Queen of Sprawl”, with six thousand permits being issued annually. “We were waking from a slumber, getting the sleep from our eyes and no longer simply a ‘bedroom community’ wearily serving our giant neighbour to the east. Mississauga was becoming a lot more than that.” Amazingly, she ran Mississauga debt-free all the way up until 2012, when the city took on some debt in order to fix ageing infrastructure.
    https://www.yoursauga.com/mississauga-retrospective-the-life-times-of-hazel-mccallion/

    There have been controversies involving her, but at least she didn’t smoke crack cocaine like the late mayor of Toronto. If you guys deny the existence of competent women in politics, you’ll just be laughed at as the ignorants you are. But if your priority is to out-edgelord each other in your cozy circle, then by all means go on.

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
  137. @Toronto Russian

    She endorsed Trudeau now sauga is a Muslim shithole.

    That alone undid any previous good work.

    Trudeau is a traitor.

  138. 95Theses says:
    @Audacious Epigone

    Yeah, I did make that connexion. And, as with your other observation, it makes sense – if we recognize that there are innate, immutable differences between men and women.

  139. Twinkie says:
    @Rosie

    Can anyone help me out with that?

    Look at yourself in the mirror.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  140. Rosie says:
    @Twinkie

    Look at yourself in the mirror.

    I decided to show your comment just to see if by chance you had anything to day about UFO’s comment above:

    Sluts are just there to fulfill a physical need

    I mean, since you’re our resident Supercilious Moralizer, I mean Guardian of Virtue, I thought such an outrageously degenerate and dehumanizing comment might warrant some sort of reply from you, given that you claim to be a Christian and all.

    Alas, I am confirmed in my assessment of you as a dishonest hack who only cares about morality when you can use it to promote division in the Whie right.

    Back to ignore.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  141. Twinkie says:
    @Rosie

    I thought such an outrageously degenerate and dehumanizing comment might warrant some sort of reply from you

    I don’t read every comment, especially when it is not written to me.

    promote division in the Whie right.

    Indeed. Good luck with the unity of the “Whie right.”

  142. iffen says:
    @Rosie

    then I remember that the data show that White men don’t agree with manosphere misogyny.

    White men don’t, but most of the ones you chase do.

    It’s called looking for love in the wrong place.

    • LOL: Twinkie
    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Talha
    , @Rosie
  143. Talha says:
    @iffen

    Most White men also don’t agree with White nationalism. I think that is the problem that Rosie is pointing out; that there seems to be a correlation with certain attitudes towards women that are disproportionately found among men espousing White nationalism.

    And this of course presents a problem for her vision of how to move that ideology/movement forward instead of having it stuck and spinning its wheels.

    I can empathize with this; from all impressions I’ve had from interacting with WNs online, it certainly seems to be a sausage-fest that is in dire need of like-minded females to join the ranks to get anywhere. I think Rosie is pointing out that they perpetually seem to be shooting themselves in the foot in this regard.

    I could be wrong in my assessment of course.

    Peace.

  144. iffen says:
    @Talha

    that there seems to be a correlation with certain attitudes towards women that are disproportionately found among men espousing White nationalism.

    That’s what I keep telling her. It’s a package deal. Good luck with your a la carte hopes.

  145. @Talha

    What’s wrong with it being a sausage fest?

    Every single political movement ever has been led by men. Do we criticize the founding fathers for being all dudes?

    Politics is a game for men.

    Just get a gf/wife and only talk about your AR activities on the periphery; then slowly move into what you’re actually doing.

    • Replies: @Talha
  146. L Woods says:
    @Talha

    “Problem.” The alt-right will indeed probably get nowhere (except in re-education camps), but it has nothing to do with insufficient sycophancy towards women.

  147. Talha says:
    @iffen

    Sister Christian
    Oh the time has come
    And you know that you’re the only one
    To say okay
    Where you going
    What you looking for
    You know those boys
    Don’t want to play no more with you
    It’s true
    You’re motoring
    What’s your price for flight
    In finding mister right
    You’ll be alright tonight

    Peace.

  148. Talha says:
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    What’s wrong with it being a sausage fest?

    Wombs. Though I’ve heard liberals say that some women have penises so maybe some men have vaginas.

    Politics is a game for men.

    OK, but raising children with certain values is usually women’s domain…that is if you value continuity in your society past a temporal political victory.

    Just get a gf/wife and only talk about your AR activities on the periphery; then slowly move into what you’re actually doing.

    You mean you fully acknowledge that you are going to marry some woman without full disclosure as to your political views or aspirations? Really?!

    How exactly is that going to work when you try to instill certain values in your sons and daughters and your wife is horrified by what you are trying to teach them?

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    , @L Woods
  149. Rosie says:
    @Talha

    OK, but raising children with certain values is usually women’s domain…that is if you value continuity in your society past a temporal political victory.

    I don’t really have a problem with the DR being a sausage fest. I’m used to sausage fests, and I’m fine with male environments that are not obsessed with devaluing women. If you go to a chess club or a philosophy seminar, you’ll see mostly men, but they are usually perfectly collegial with the minority of women about the place.

  150. Rosie says:
    @iffen

    White men don’t, but most of the ones you chase do.

    And those White men are not going to be interested in joining a movement that constantly demeans and threatens their sisters and daughters and belittles the work and contributions if their mothers and grandmothers.

    • Replies: @iffen
  151. iffen says:
    @Rosie

    And those White men are not going to be interested in joining a movement that constantly demeans and threatens their sisters and daughters and belittles the work and contributions if their mothers and grandmothers.

    I’m getting off this merry-go-round with you and Talha. The above is exactly what I have told you before. I have further pointed out that your WN beaus are a package deal and you will be unable to find very many WN men that fit your critera. Needless to say, I consider this WN stuff a bunch of hooey and really don’t care how much time you spend spinning your wheels.

  152. Twinkie says:
    @Talha

    White men

    Et tu?

    • Replies: @Talha
  153. Anonymous[217] • Disclaimer says:
    @Audacious Epigone

    Only for low IQ, high testosterone proles.

    Think about it. Most UC and UMC SWPLs, with their 125 IQs and their Master’s Degrees from Carnegie Mellon are doing just fine.

    The UC/UMC high IQ SWPL lifestyle goes as this: have 1-3 monogamous LTRs with people you find at college or grad school. Use birth control or condoms every. single. time. Don’t get pregnant, don’t get STD’s. Marry your grad school sweetheart at some point between age 27-33. Have 1.5 kids, who inevitably end up with sky high SAT scores and spelling bee trophies. Stay married for life.

    It’s only low IQ, high T proles who can’t handle the social acceptance of pre-marital sex, no-fault divorce, out of wedlock kids, and STDs. Just because it’s legal and socially acceptable to do these things, doesn’t mean you should. <—this goes entirely over the heads of low IQ people.

  154. L Woods says:
    @Talha

    Female “opinion” is a neat reflection of whatever is fashionable and what is good for her personally in a narrow, short-term sense – nothing else.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Audacious Epigone
  155. Talha says:
    @Twinkie

    Uh…don’t get it.

    Are you saying most White men agree with White Nationalism? I have seen no poll or even anecdotal evidence to support this.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    , @iffen
  156. Twinkie says:
    @Talha

    most White men

    Color is not a proper noun/adjective.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @RSDB
  157. Talha says:
    @L Woods

    I don’t know, I’ve met plenty of women that don’t think along those lines (maybe because the women I meet are mostly traditional Muslim women who buck the current zeitgeist). My mother is one of the most anti-feminist women I know, she doesn’t even want women near leadership positions in the local mosque.

    One thing where women are consistently going against the normal societal trend in the West is that they stubbornly remain more spiritual than the men in an increasingly materialist and secular society. All polls I have seen bear this out. Any women that seeks to recruit women must provide a serious spiritual platform/vision for them.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @L Woods
    , @Rosie
  158. Talha says:
    @Twinkie

    Ah – got it.

    Thanks!

    Peace.

  159. iffen says:
    @Talha

    It confused the hell out of me. Not a proper category. Sure, that’s what many of these threads cover. He had me searching the substance of your comments and how they might relate to WN.

    Then he explains that he is talking about capitalization. Details, details, details.

    I guess he might be bored by more substantive topics and he’s going to join the grammar police.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  160. L Woods says:
    @Talha

    They enjoy the validation that Churchianity provides them, yes.

    • Replies: @Talha
  161. Rosie says:
    @Talha

    Talha, you really shouldn’t be engaging with this douchebag. Something is wrong with him. I’m not sure what it is, but I truly have never encountered a person so impervious to reason and evidence as “L Woods.”

    Consider:

    https://www.vox.com/2016/5/25/11682950/fisher-supreme-court-white-women-affirmative-action

    Just watch. He will completely ignore this evidence that refutes him, and go right on parroting this talking point as if he’s never seen this post. That kind of dishonesty is unforgivable IMO, md I would ban him for it.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    , @Talha
  162. Rosie says:
    @Rosie

    Women’s alleged materialism is vastly overblown. Consider the handbag, long considered a clear indication of women’s susceptibility to fashion trends.

    In fact, in any given year, less than half of women buy a new bag either for themselves or someone else. On average, they spend about fifty bucks. As a homeschooling mother, I may be a bit harder on bags than most women, but no way are you going to get an everyday bag that lasts a year for fifty bucks. A bag that looks presentable for more than a year is going to run you at least 100 bucks.

    https://forum.purseblog.com/threads/how-much-the-average-woman-spends-on-handbags-per-year-and-how-many-she-owns-stats.432305/

    When a handbag wears out, we don’t usually throw them away, but rather keep them for other uses, i.e. a beach bag, storage of children’s activities in the car for road trips, etc.

    Shoes are another matter. We do spend excessively on shoes, but TBH that’s not an issue of materialism bit rather a quest for the perfect balance between comfort and style. Most of us would much rather have a few cute, versatile pairs than a whole closet worth of junk. The problem is that so many shoes don’t work out the way we expect. They rub the wrong way, or whatever, but we keep them because you’re not allowed to return a pair you’ve worn even once.

    Of course, when you find a great shoe, it wears out quickly, leaving you back where you started, because that style has been discontinued.

    Anyway, you’re a married man, so I’m not telling you anything you don’t already know. This is more for the benefit of posters who don’t know.

  163. Talha says:
    @L Woods

    Or it may be that they are just more spiritual creatures an in tune with that aspect of existence; motherhood being a very powerful spiritual rank.

    As the master medieval theologian, Imam Juwayni (ra) – the teacher of Imam Ghazali (ra) – once stated to his students; that he longed to die upon the same faith as “the old women of Nishapur”. If one has ever witnessed the faith of old women – it is impressive.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @L Woods
  164. @L Woods

    L, UFO forgot to mention this one: stop choking your chicken, because you’ll go blind.

    P.S. You can’t actually just keep it up until you need glasses, either. That’s a myth.

    • Replies: @L Woods
  165. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    In case people didn’t already have reason enough to find the alt right deplorable, here’s UFO everyone!

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  166. L Woods says:
    @Twodees Partain

    Sick burn. Much wow. What a cool winner you must be.

  167. L Woods says:
    @Talha

    Amazing how they always seem to find this grand piety after their looks are gone. Just one of life’s great coincidences I suppose.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    , @Talha
  168. Twinkie says:
    @iffen

    I guess he might be bored by more substantive topics and he’s going to join the grammar police.

    Talha strikes me as a rather proper fellow, so I was a bit surprised to see him follow the silly WN thing of capitalizing “white.” European, yes, color, no. I also find it stupid when black people capitalize the b.

    I’m starting to come around to Thomm’s view that there are some parallels between blacks and WNs.

  169. Twinkie says:
    @Audacious Epigone

    Do you also find that net-Nazis are caricatures? They almost seem like left-wing plants in that they repulse people more than attract, and validate the left wing portrayals of the right. (Cue Rosie whining about a yellow man dividing the white right or something).

    Generally people like winners and plucky can-do types, and the relentless self-victimization of net-Nazis (“The Jews are keeping us down! The blacks are keeping us down! Whites are under a genocidal attack!”) just make them seem like unhinged losers.

    Mind you, I completely understand the impulses behind this sense of grievance – increasingly things seem to be stacked against non-elite, downscale whites, especially if they hold traditional views – but the overtop rhetoric of being oppressed based on race just comes off as silly when whites account for the vast majority of the elites in the country.

  170. @L Woods

    Did you not have the good fortune of a loving mother? As I’ve watched my wife raise and nurture our kids, often waking up three or four times in the course of a night, it sucks to see people believing that.

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
  171. Rosie says:
    @L Woods

    Amazing how they always seem to find this grand piety after their looks are gone. Just one of life’s great coincidences I suppose.

  172. @Twinkie

    I can’t imagine embracing the term “nazi”, ironically or otherwise, unless the intention is to declare anti-social contrarianism in the most contentious way possible.

    I emphatically agree regarding the finger pointing. Portraying it as whites-v-non-whites is a guaranteed loser. If anything, that only fortifies the idea among well-off SWPLs that deplorable whites have it coming.

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
  173. Talha says:
    @L Woods

    Perhaps, but it may simply be a reflection of God’s generosity to His maid servants – the door of repentance and rectification is always kept open by the Divine, it is we who close it upon ourselves:
    “Say, ‘O My servants who have transgressed against themselves, do not despair of the mercy of God. Indeed, God forgives all sins. Indeed, it is He who is the Forgiving, the Merciful.’” (39:53)

    A life of profligacy can be amended in a moment.

    If many men don’t recognize that in their old age, at least many women do; which again lends testimony to their spiritual station.

    Peace.

  174. @Twinkie

    Lol.

    Did I write anything in those comments that suggested “self-victimization”?

    That comment mentioned neither Jews, blacks, nor white genocide.

    In fact my entire comment was about making the most of a bad situation; namely having sex with non-white (alien) females to satiate my desire, while protecting white females.

    but the overtop rhetoric of being oppressed based on race just comes off as silly when whites account for the vast majority of the elites in the country.

    Yes, upper class whites despise deplorables. Deplorables are not always lower class; they include people who think the wrong way.

    For Goodwhites, it really is a class war against Deplorables. For (((Goodwhites))) and non-whites, it is a race war, against ALL whites.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  175. @Audacious Epigone

    Lol.

    Well-off whites are taking it harder and harder… they are starting to strain as housing prices keep going up, schools keep getting worse and worst of all, their numbers keep shrinking due to low birth rates.

    You are proposing the classic cuck move.

    “i..i..iif we just appease them, then we can all get along! we’re not ALL ebil neo – nazis, u know”

    ‘Deplorables’ class is already finished.

    Now it’s our turn to make things as bad as possible for the naive SWPL traitors. That includes people like you, who are going to be feeling pain in the next 10-15 years as they find that they can no longer run from diversity. Kansas is only 70% white amongst newborns.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  176. L Woods says:
    @Twinkie

    Generally people like winners and plucky can-do types

    “People” are idiots. In any case, NAMs seem to get plenty of shrift off of their faux-victomhood.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  177. @Audacious Epigone

    Yes, seeing a woman’s love for her baby is one of the most beautiful and touching things on the planet.

    Of course, it seems that many SWPL women (with cuck husbands afraid to correct them) are actively AGAINST their white children, voting for mass immigration and affirmative action in order to feel good. These women are lost and their men are to blame for allowing it.

    But women who have a good strong man to keep them in line are absolutely beautiful creatures, delicate like a flower. They need to be protected and guided, sometimes pruned, but when cultivated under the right conditions there is nothing more pure and beautiful than a woman’s spirit.

    Godly woman’s spirit + a baby = closest I have seen to God.

  178. Twinkie says:
    @L Woods

    “People” are idiots.

    And you are not one of the people, are you?

    NAMs seem to get plenty of shrift off of their faux-victomhood.

    You see a lot of whites and Asians rushing to live next to these winners?

    Why would you want whites to behave like NAMs? We need less NAM pathology, not more. Unless, of course, you are one of these “accelerationists.”

    • Replies: @L Woods
  179. Twinkie says:
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    Now it’s our turn to make things as bad as possible for the naive SWPL traitors. That includes people like you

    This sounds like a sick Day of the Rope fantasy. You need help. Or law enforcement intervention.

  180. Talha says:
    @Rosie

    Thanks for the advice. No worries, if people keep it civil – which he seems to be doing, at least with me – I don’t mind engaging.

    Peace.

  181. Twinkie says:
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    For (((Goodwhites)))

    Don’t be a pansy and hide around stupid parentheses. Just say “Jews,” if that what you meant.

    Now, I’m not exactly a booster of Jews in these parts (that means I’ve been accused of being anti-Semitic), but it’s nonsensical to claim that Jews are out to get all whites, especially given how high their intermarriage rates are with other whites.

    non-whites, it is a race war, against ALL whites.

    I find you objectionable, because you sound like an unhinged moron, not because you are white.

    I don’t know why I even bother. At least Rosie is mildly, if unintentionally, amusing once in a while – you just come off like a crazy person.

  182. L Woods says:
    @Twinkie

    Really I don’t care (about that or much of anything else these days), but I can’t help but notice the stark double standard. I would say whites do trip over themselves to associate with those few NAMs who can pass a bourgeoise sniff test.

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