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Oblivionrecurs shares results from some GSS items asking respondents if blacks in the US should be able to overcome prejudice without any special favors as Irish, Italian, Jewish, and other groups have. But those shared appear to be incorrect, substantially understating agreement with the sentiment across all partisan affiliations. The exact parameters aren’t listed in the graphics presented–if he could kindly provide a source link in the comments it would be appreciated–but I see no way to slice and dice things up to come back with anything close to what is shown.

The following graph depicts the percentages of non-Hispanic whites, by partisan affiliation, who agree that blacks should overcome prejudice without any special favors just as other groups putatively have. The balance either disagree or have no opinion, so this method is understating the percentages who would agree if forced to give a binary response:

We are collectively less confident than we were a generation ago that blacks will be able to “overcome prejudice without any special favors”. East Asia must be snickering at the Occident’s messianic diversity. Many blacks have been in the US longer than the US has been an independent country and yet we not only continue to assert but do so with increasing conviction that blacks need special favors because non-blacks are so debilitatingly prejudicial against them. How can this be called a strength, as we are consistently assured diversity is?

Still, ever more Americans appear to be in favor of adding more diversity through immigration. The following graphs show the percentages of respondents, by race and by year, who have said immigration should either be increased or be reduced. The balances not shown answered that immigration levels should remain the same. Among whites:

Blacks:

The collapse in support for immigration restriction among blacks comes as little surprise to me as I’ve been looking closely at polling on the subject over the last several years, but it is a result that consistently surprises a lot of boomercons. In the heady days of 2015 and early 2016, many Trump supporters hoped a multiracial coalition of old stock Americans–white, black, American Indian, Hispanics with deep roots in Texas and the Southwest–could be mobilized in favor of severely curtailing immigration so the US could avoid the problems the influx of settlers into Europe was causing on the old continent. That obviously did not happen.

Hispanics:

It is probably going to take a severe economic downturn (and accompanying currency crisis) to push public sentiment back towards restrictionism. Said downturn and crisis will simultaneously reduce the appeal of the US as a destination for the third-world. So by the time the will to resist manifests itself, it will no longer be of any use.

GSS variables used: RACECEN1(1)(2), HISPANIC(1)(2-50), YEAR, WRKWAYUP(1-2), LETIN1A(1-2)(4-5), PARTYID(0-1)(2-4)(5-6)

 
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  1. Would love to see a national referendum held on this issue. Sure, the pro-more immigration side would win in many Democrat leaning areas, but probably wouldn’t rack up the huge margins that Dem candidates do, and its likely a restrictionist proposal would pass nationwide, or at least have a fighting chance to do so.

    • Replies: @Daniel H
    Do we even have a tradition of nationwide referendum in this country? I don't think so. Furthermore, a referendum on the matter would have no practical effect. The distressing fact is, most Americans are not woke up to how dire the situation is. We need respected leaders to be forthright on the matter. To challenge the entire immigration ideology. To call for ending it, now. Don't mend it, end it. Don't tinker with immigration, end it. End it for once and all. Now consider, there is not a single political leader of note who will assert this. Matters are very bad.
  2. There could be the perception, created by the media, that immigration is being sharply dealt with by the Trump administration, when largely efforts have been stymied here. A similar phenomenon has happened here after the Brexit vote. Of course I am rightly very distrustful of such polls, who commissioned them, methodology and how the question is framed etc.

    https://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Younger-Republicans-are-less-supportive-of-Israel-poll-finds-587810

    Thought this poll was interesting too, collapse in support for Israel amongst young Republicans and Democrats.

    • Replies: @Feryl
    In the Obama and Trump era, immigration restriction has come to be seen as "racist". It's possible that poll respondents, for the last 10 years, are simply stating what they believe to be the socially acceptable opinion., rather than being fully sincere.

    The terror of PC, which has really only emerged during this period, is I think both a cause and effect of the growing mental distress that Americans seem to be laboring under. Under GW Bush, it was ok to talk crap about Muslims. But we've lost our perspective, and our sense of humor, since Obama was elected.

    Mass murders have been much worse this decade, compared to previous decades. Perhaps the entire Western world is beginning a descent into a period of ignorance and superstition, that may take a long time to play out. Suicide among white American has increased a great deal, suggesting that many people no longer have faith in the notion of a brighter future.

    Then again, Russia's notorious 90's proved to be a blip, which they've since recovered from. Perhaps we just need a better leader, and a few key reforms, to help us get back on track. Who knows?
    , @216
    In the younger cohorts, "evangelical" is almost a perjorative, and mainline Protestantism is moribund. Historically both groups were Pro-Israel, with Catholics ambivalent. What is left of the Mainline has an increasing tendency towards Woke, which means BDS.

    It's also a longer-term backlash against the Right for its support of the Middle East wars.
    , @neutral
    This is truly good news, people always talk about wanting "bipartisanship" for America, when it reality it already exists for Israel. It would be nice if the bipartisanship came about from different political leanings on getting rid of Israel.
  3. blacks need special favors because non-blacks are so debilitatingly prejudicial against them.

    Prejudice is not the only explanation for why “special help” would be required.

    That obviously did not happen.

    The fat lady has not sung; she’s not even waiting in the wing.

    We’ve been working on complex societies for millennia and you want to blackpill everyone and throw it all out because of a few decades rough stretch.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    ... because of a few decades rough stretch.
     
    In each of these decades 10 - 20 MILLION people entered this country, Iffen. They have lots of children. It's not something that can be fixed by waiting for these votes. Even by this point, America is not the same country as it was in 1985, much less 1965.
  4. It’s not clear to me why the numbers in graphs 2, 3, and 4 don’t add up to anywhere near 100%. Is it just those who “don’t know”, “don’t care”, or “think it should remain as is”?

    It’s hard to believe people would have no opinion on the existential issue. Either way, the whole thing is depressingly stupid.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    The percentages not shown are the ones who answered that immigration levels should remain the same.
  5. @iffen
    blacks need special favors because non-blacks are so debilitatingly prejudicial against them.

    Prejudice is not the only explanation for why "special help" would be required.

    That obviously did not happen.

    The fat lady has not sung; she's not even waiting in the wing.

    We've been working on complex societies for millennia and you want to blackpill everyone and throw it all out because of a few decades rough stretch.

    … because of a few decades rough stretch.

    In each of these decades 10 – 20 MILLION people entered this country, Iffen. They have lots of children. It’s not something that can be fixed by waiting for these votes. Even by this point, America is not the same country as it was in 1985, much less 1965.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @iffen
    I'm not saying that an electoral solution is definite. I'm saying that it is possible, and considering the alternatives, I want to hang onto that chance as long as I can.

    FWIW, I'm not the same person that I was in 1965, or 1985 for that matter.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    This is one reason I'm skeptical of the cycles of history approach. It is hard to imagine the geographical US being in some part of a socio-political cycle when an earlier part of that cycle that happened in, say, the 1960s, happened to an almost unrecognizably different demographic group. It happened in the same geographical area but not to the same people.
  6. @Achmed E. Newman

    ... because of a few decades rough stretch.
     
    In each of these decades 10 - 20 MILLION people entered this country, Iffen. They have lots of children. It's not something that can be fixed by waiting for these votes. Even by this point, America is not the same country as it was in 1985, much less 1965.

    I’m not saying that an electoral solution is definite. I’m saying that it is possible, and considering the alternatives, I want to hang onto that chance as long as I can.

    FWIW, I’m not the same person that I was in 1965, or 1985 for that matter.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    FWIW, I’m not the same person that I was in 1965, or 1985 for that matter.
     
    I don't see what that has to do with it. If you have kids, would you like them to grow up in the America of 1965 or that of the 2020's - after another decade of inaction to fix an existential problem? Even if you don't have kids, do you care what this country's become? The young people, were they to really understand the freedom and lack of dieversity that existed arguably right on through the '80's, have every right to cuss out the previous generations for letting "their" government cause this ruin.

    .

    (BTW, on the double post reply to Mike P., the site hung up, I [PUBLISH]ed again, but when I deleted all my text in the edit window with 4 minutes left and mashed SAVE, it didn't take. Don't change too much, Ron, or A.E. - I like not having a moderation lag here.)
  7. I am indeed often bewildered by how whites are buying more and more into black grievances even as African-American privilege becomes more and more blatant with every passing year.

    I wonder if there will be a new peak of structural racism once Commissar Kamala launches her reparations plan, or whether sanity will reassert itself one day.

    Thought this poll was interesting too, collapse in support for Israel amongst young Republicans and Democrats.

    The one nice thing about La Raza Cosmica America is that there aren’t too many nutjob Latinos obsessed with accelerating the Rapture.

    US Hispanization might be good for the world at large, if not so good for the US itself.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    AGREED on both points, Mr. Karlin. On the latter point though, will the Hispanics ever really get control of things like the "Neocons" have? Steve Sailer always points out that they are not very political-minded (I can see that too from observation). No, getting Hispanicized is not good for the US - some of us never decided to bail out to the Banana Republics, so we don't want the Banana Republics coming to us.

    On the former point, I think the country would be hard-pressed to find a better, more-fairminded deal than Peak Stupidity's Reparations Plan.
    , @Bragadocious
    The one nice thing about La Raza Cosmica America is that there aren’t too many nutjob Latinos obsessed with accelerating the Rapture.

    The Hispanic political mindset is what can I personally get from gubmint today, and how do I get more of my cousins and brothers here?

    They don't care about Israel, but that's not good enough. "Not caring" leaves a vacuum that AIPAC is all too eager to fill, and it will do so. AOC's anti-Israel comments are a result of her New York upbringing and BU education, as she's been exposed to BDS and all the au courant ideas percolating around the Acela corridor. But she's an outlier.

    Hispanics are not a based political electorate, at all.
    , @L Woods
    White America has decided that it will commit suicide -- all of it. Its remaining energies are devoted to policing with utmost harshness any defectors attempting to toss their poisoned kool aid into a potted plant.
    , @EastKekistani

    I am indeed often bewildered by how whites are buying more and more into black grievances even as African-American privilege becomes more and more blatant with every passing year.

    I wonder if there will be a new peak of structural racism once Commissar Kamala launches her reparations plan, or whether sanity will reassert itself one day.
     

    Yeah. Negroids are really trying to ruin global racial peace. What do they want? A race war in which they can't win, that is, suicide? I really hope they won't ignite some WMD-heavy WWIII.

    The one nice thing about La Raza Cosmica America is that there aren’t too many nutjob Latinos obsessed with accelerating the Rapture.
     

    Yeah. However mestizos aren't good at self-rule at all. This is why Latin America is generally ruled by whites (uh..and some light mestizos).

    US Hispanization might be good for the world at large, if not so good for the US itself.
     
    Come on, nope. There is a need for a Roman Empire like America in the world.
    , @Feryl
    It's because the Teutonic world (which encompasses the entire anglo-sphere, Scandinavia, Germany, the Netherlands, and so forth) carries the baggage of Nazism. We must continue to punish ourselves for allowing the Third Reich to rise to power.

    As others have suggested, it's only when the Teutonic world has been defeated (via demographic conquest, inept leadership, or collapsing under the weight of neo-liberal excess) that we can finally eliminate the epic levels of white guilt which is pounded into us day after day, non-stop.
    , @Oblivionrecurs
    The NYT reported that liberal whites are now significantly ahead of blacks in terms of racial resentment, and considering the times my black friends have told my liberal white friends to stop the white guilt bullshit i'd imagine it'll only get higher.

    Reparations will absolutely be a popular proposal (until it happens) but the current battle is between those who believe it should be "blacks should be given a vast sum of money from all whites" or the "job programs, education, et cetra" approach. Blacks in polling tend to lean towards the later, but both are pretty popular.


    I hope that the the 2020 census finally fucking separates ethnicity and race for Latinos, since it artificially rises the white-Hispanic number (which is still falling even with official 1990-2010 census data) and even the 1989 LNPS found that first-generation immigrants identified as 66% white 32% Hispanic and that third-generation immigration identified as 52% white 47% Hispanic

    The hope for whites is that blacks and Latinos find themselves at odds to really accomplish much, younger whites achieve racial salience and vote like it, and we finally fucking get young males to turnout because in terms of turnout no-one comes close to the young black woman (at least in Georgia and Florida data)

    , @notanon

    I am indeed often bewildered by how whites are buying more and more into black grievances even as African-American privilege becomes more and more blatant with every passing year.
     
    media lies.

    i imagine these numbers vary regionally i.e. the whitest parts are the most gas-lit by the media.
  8. In defense of the boomercons, the black move against reducing immigration is relatively recent. Some of that might be following elite cues within the Democratic party.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Yep, Mike, I've been reading VDare for something like 15 years. They've written a number of times about black Congresslady Barbara Jordan. I don't know what else she stood for, but if you read what she said in the 1990's, you'll be amazed. It'd be like CANDIDATE (not PRES.) Trump on steroids, but a lot more erudite.
  9. @Mike P.
    In defense of the boomercons, the black move against reducing immigration is relatively recent. Some of that might be following elite cues within the Democratic party.

    Yep, Mike, I’ve been reading VDare for something like 15 years. They’ve written a number of times about black Congresslady Barbara Jordan. I don’t know what else she stood for, but if you read what she said in the 1990’s, you’ll be amazed. It’d be like CANDIDATE (not PRES.) Trump on steroids, but a lot more erudite.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @Lockean Proviso
    "black Congresslady Barbara Jordan. I don’t know what else she stood for, but if you read what she said in the 1990’s, you’ll be amazed. It’d be like CANDIDATE (not PRES.) Trump on steroids, but a lot more erudite."

    Wonder if she would've held the line or succumbed to diversicrat pressure to be woke had she lived until now?

  10. @Anatoly Karlin
    I am indeed often bewildered by how whites are buying more and more into black grievances even as African-American privilege becomes more and more blatant with every passing year.

    I wonder if there will be a new peak of structural racism once Commissar Kamala launches her reparations plan, or whether sanity will reassert itself one day.

    Thought this poll was interesting too, collapse in support for Israel amongst young Republicans and Democrats.
     
    The one nice thing about La Raza Cosmica America is that there aren't too many nutjob Latinos obsessed with accelerating the Rapture.

    US Hispanization might be good for the world at large, if not so good for the US itself.

    AGREED on both points, Mr. Karlin. On the latter point though, will the Hispanics ever really get control of things like the “Neocons” have? Steve Sailer always points out that they are not very political-minded (I can see that too from observation). No, getting Hispanicized is not good for the US – some of us never decided to bail out to the Banana Republics, so we don’t want the Banana Republics coming to us.

    On the former point, I think the country would be hard-pressed to find a better, more-fairminded deal than Peak Stupidity’s Reparations Plan.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Making it a special payroll deduction would create one hell of a shitshow!

    One obvious metaproblem with all of this stuff is how virtue-signalling is not only free, it pays. There are no immediate costs but there are immediate benefits.
  11. @iffen
    I'm not saying that an electoral solution is definite. I'm saying that it is possible, and considering the alternatives, I want to hang onto that chance as long as I can.

    FWIW, I'm not the same person that I was in 1965, or 1985 for that matter.

    FWIW, I’m not the same person that I was in 1965, or 1985 for that matter.

    I don’t see what that has to do with it. If you have kids, would you like them to grow up in the America of 1965 or that of the 2020’s – after another decade of inaction to fix an existential problem? Even if you don’t have kids, do you care what this country’s become? The young people, were they to really understand the freedom and lack of dieversity that existed arguably right on through the ’80’s, have every right to cuss out the previous generations for letting “their” government cause this ruin.

    .

    (BTW, on the double post reply to Mike P., the site hung up, I [PUBLISH]ed again, but when I deleted all my text in the edit window with 4 minutes left and mashed SAVE, it didn’t take. Don’t change too much, Ron, or A.E. – I like not having a moderation lag here.)

  12. There is no way to explain this phenomenon save collective insanity. Call it simplistic, pejorative or hyperbolic, but there’s simply no accounting for it otherwise. The only thing more striking than this frenzied descent into self-destruction is the abject moral cowardice of conservatives, who are themselves unmistakably acquiescing to this madness.

    Still, paradoxically, this leads me to believe the mad crowd may have a point. Perhaps America as we knew it does need to be well and truly buried in order to commence the next stage in societal evolution. The status quo, certainly, is neither sustainable nor desirable.

    • Replies: @notanon

    There is no way to explain this phenomenon save collective insanity. Call it simplistic, pejorative or hyperbolic, but there’s simply no accounting for it otherwise.
     
    it's very simple - the media lie to them.
    , @Sin City Milla
    Yes, a type of collective insanity. A young woman I know, when told that SSAs didn't have the wheel until Europeans introduced it, replied "They didn't need wheels." I could have continued with medicine, indoor plumbing, literacy, n electricity, but I would only have gotten the same answer.

    The insanity can be explained this way: Europe was once Christian but lost the faith. Jews picked up what was left of Christianity n re-packaged it as Socialism. Socialism is moribund Christianity burdened by pathological altruism to the point of suicide, n led by Jews, who are happy to have finally found a way to trick whites into destroying themselves.
  13. @Anatoly Karlin
    I am indeed often bewildered by how whites are buying more and more into black grievances even as African-American privilege becomes more and more blatant with every passing year.

    I wonder if there will be a new peak of structural racism once Commissar Kamala launches her reparations plan, or whether sanity will reassert itself one day.

    Thought this poll was interesting too, collapse in support for Israel amongst young Republicans and Democrats.
     
    The one nice thing about La Raza Cosmica America is that there aren't too many nutjob Latinos obsessed with accelerating the Rapture.

    US Hispanization might be good for the world at large, if not so good for the US itself.

    The one nice thing about La Raza Cosmica America is that there aren’t too many nutjob Latinos obsessed with accelerating the Rapture.

    The Hispanic political mindset is what can I personally get from gubmint today, and how do I get more of my cousins and brothers here?

    They don’t care about Israel, but that’s not good enough. “Not caring” leaves a vacuum that AIPAC is all too eager to fill, and it will do so. AOC’s anti-Israel comments are a result of her New York upbringing and BU education, as she’s been exposed to BDS and all the au courant ideas percolating around the Acela corridor. But she’s an outlier.

    Hispanics are not a based political electorate, at all.

  14. @Anatoly Karlin
    I am indeed often bewildered by how whites are buying more and more into black grievances even as African-American privilege becomes more and more blatant with every passing year.

    I wonder if there will be a new peak of structural racism once Commissar Kamala launches her reparations plan, or whether sanity will reassert itself one day.

    Thought this poll was interesting too, collapse in support for Israel amongst young Republicans and Democrats.
     
    The one nice thing about La Raza Cosmica America is that there aren't too many nutjob Latinos obsessed with accelerating the Rapture.

    US Hispanization might be good for the world at large, if not so good for the US itself.

    White America has decided that it will commit suicide — all of it. Its remaining energies are devoted to policing with utmost harshness any defectors attempting to toss their poisoned kool aid into a potted plant.

    • Replies: @notanon

    White America has decided that it will commit suicide
     
    no the media decided to manipulate white America into committing suicide.
  15. Take a look at that first graph. “Confidence in black ability” might be another way of stating the proposition about “special favors” needed by blacks. In reality, it seems to function more as a gauge of the Left’s success in making White people feel guilty.

    Note that around 2008, the lines start a more precipitous drop. Now, what happened in 2008 that might have been seen as a game changing event? How about Obama being elected President? I remember for about five minutes after B.O. won, there was a sense that the era of special pleading for blacks was over; having acheived the top post in the country, all the blacks were going to hitch up their pants, dig in at school and work, and really show us they had arrived.

    Instead, expectations for blacks went down, not up. Of course, the Left has increased the coddling volume steadily every year, but I think the graph presents food for thought on the tangible effects of electing the first black President ™, and possibly the hidden truth about White confidence in black capacities.

    • Replies: @Feryl
    It's a cautionary lesson about something we are all too familiar with: blacks will never stop being an irritant. They are the human resources equivalent of quick sand; the harder you struggle, the more you seem to get caught.

    Those who remember the disintegration of urban America that happened seemingly overnight, around 1965, will not be suprised that electing Obama, instead of placating the true believers and racial "advocates", ultimately served to just further stimulate a desire to achieve the impossible: a society where whites and blacks are always on the same page.

    How many times do we have to go through this? Every time we hit a "mile-stone" in racial "progress", it just causes blacks and white liberals to get more antsy about things not being as far along as they want.

    Blacks get "victories", but everyone ends up feeling bitter that they still are below whites in social standing and talent. We can't win, and never will, in our efforts to close the socio-economic gap between whites and blacks. Multi-cultural societies will always be prone to tension because the "losers" tend to ascribe ethnic animus on the part of the ethnic groups who do better. In a mono-racial society, the underclass is more likely to accept that they just aren't as talented as the winners.
  16. @Anatoly Karlin
    I am indeed often bewildered by how whites are buying more and more into black grievances even as African-American privilege becomes more and more blatant with every passing year.

    I wonder if there will be a new peak of structural racism once Commissar Kamala launches her reparations plan, or whether sanity will reassert itself one day.

    Thought this poll was interesting too, collapse in support for Israel amongst young Republicans and Democrats.
     
    The one nice thing about La Raza Cosmica America is that there aren't too many nutjob Latinos obsessed with accelerating the Rapture.

    US Hispanization might be good for the world at large, if not so good for the US itself.

    I am indeed often bewildered by how whites are buying more and more into black grievances even as African-American privilege becomes more and more blatant with every passing year.

    I wonder if there will be a new peak of structural racism once Commissar Kamala launches her reparations plan, or whether sanity will reassert itself one day.

    Yeah. Negroids are really trying to ruin global racial peace. What do they want? A race war in which they can’t win, that is, suicide? I really hope they won’t ignite some WMD-heavy WWIII.

    The one nice thing about La Raza Cosmica America is that there aren’t too many nutjob Latinos obsessed with accelerating the Rapture.

    Yeah. However mestizos aren’t good at self-rule at all. This is why Latin America is generally ruled by whites (uh..and some light mestizos).

    US Hispanization might be good for the world at large, if not so good for the US itself.

    Come on, nope. There is a need for a Roman Empire like America in the world.

    • Replies: @Feryl
    The impression I get is that extroverted ethnic groups are enthusiastic about politics/foreign policy issues/activism, while among normies at least, the introverted ethnic groups (Mestizos and Asians) are concerned about work and family obligations to the point that most other things just don't really matter that much.

    America will become a more boring, but perhaps more peaceful, country under the aegis of a growing Asian/Hispanic culture. Creativity, entertainment, individual initiative, etc. all flourished with a 80% white and 20% "other" (mostly black) country, that no longer exists.

    Of course the Reaganite GOP (which began in the Southwest) has always envied Latin America for the languid disposition of it's normies. while bitterly complaining about "American" (whites and blacks) worker activism and how "satanic" the entertainment industry is. And the Reaganite GOP always praised the work ethic and family orientation of Asian and Latin immigrants, while saying that blacks represented everything that had gone wrong with America beginning in the 60's.

    But most normie conservatives and moderates, at this stage of the game, would much rather have the demographics of old-school America back, rather than trying to run our current Tower of Babel arrangement forevermore.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    Blacks are the least likely (according to the GSS) to say "life has no purpose" and also the least likely to suffer from poor mental health. They are probably the least likely to intentionally want to just see the world burn, even if their behaviors seem to suggest otherwise.

    Talking about a race war is masturbatory fantasy. Good thing that it is fantasy, too, because war is hell for virtually everyone involved. The real war is of the womb and of migration. Populations will live and die based on those two things more than anything else.

    , @Audacious Epigone
    In an era when so little wealth comes directly from land ownership, why should we want a global empire, American or otherwise? I want the exact opposite--as much localism as possible. But we're probably getting that global empire one way or another, the blips of resistance that are Brexit, Trump, Salvini, etc notwithstanding.
  17. @JRM
    Take a look at that first graph. "Confidence in black ability" might be another way of stating the proposition about "special favors" needed by blacks. In reality, it seems to function more as a gauge of the Left's success in making White people feel guilty.


    Note that around 2008, the lines start a more precipitous drop. Now, what happened in 2008 that might have been seen as a game changing event? How about Obama being elected President? I remember for about five minutes after B.O. won, there was a sense that the era of special pleading for blacks was over; having acheived the top post in the country, all the blacks were going to hitch up their pants, dig in at school and work, and really show us they had arrived.


    Instead, expectations for blacks went down, not up. Of course, the Left has increased the coddling volume steadily every year, but I think the graph presents food for thought on the tangible effects of electing the first black President (tm), and possibly the hidden truth about White confidence in black capacities.

    It’s a cautionary lesson about something we are all too familiar with: blacks will never stop being an irritant. They are the human resources equivalent of quick sand; the harder you struggle, the more you seem to get caught.

    Those who remember the disintegration of urban America that happened seemingly overnight, around 1965, will not be suprised that electing Obama, instead of placating the true believers and racial “advocates”, ultimately served to just further stimulate a desire to achieve the impossible: a society where whites and blacks are always on the same page.

    How many times do we have to go through this? Every time we hit a “mile-stone” in racial “progress”, it just causes blacks and white liberals to get more antsy about things not being as far along as they want.

    Blacks get “victories”, but everyone ends up feeling bitter that they still are below whites in social standing and talent. We can’t win, and never will, in our efforts to close the socio-economic gap between whites and blacks. Multi-cultural societies will always be prone to tension because the “losers” tend to ascribe ethnic animus on the part of the ethnic groups who do better. In a mono-racial society, the underclass is more likely to accept that they just aren’t as talented as the winners.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    Exactly.

    Empires are multiethnic and sometimes multiracial.

    Nation states on the other hand are monolithic not only racially but also often ethnically and culturally. Note that in the case of America native whites and Negroids should be considered both races and ethnic groups.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    One thing we can do is stop adding more volatile ethnic ingredients to the mix. A biracial country where the majority had to perpetually give to the minority for various reasons was a viable one. Maybe not optimal, but viable. What the US is becoming now is simply not viable.
  18. @EastKekistani

    I am indeed often bewildered by how whites are buying more and more into black grievances even as African-American privilege becomes more and more blatant with every passing year.

    I wonder if there will be a new peak of structural racism once Commissar Kamala launches her reparations plan, or whether sanity will reassert itself one day.
     

    Yeah. Negroids are really trying to ruin global racial peace. What do they want? A race war in which they can't win, that is, suicide? I really hope they won't ignite some WMD-heavy WWIII.

    The one nice thing about La Raza Cosmica America is that there aren’t too many nutjob Latinos obsessed with accelerating the Rapture.
     

    Yeah. However mestizos aren't good at self-rule at all. This is why Latin America is generally ruled by whites (uh..and some light mestizos).

    US Hispanization might be good for the world at large, if not so good for the US itself.
     
    Come on, nope. There is a need for a Roman Empire like America in the world.

    The impression I get is that extroverted ethnic groups are enthusiastic about politics/foreign policy issues/activism, while among normies at least, the introverted ethnic groups (Mestizos and Asians) are concerned about work and family obligations to the point that most other things just don’t really matter that much.

    America will become a more boring, but perhaps more peaceful, country under the aegis of a growing Asian/Hispanic culture. Creativity, entertainment, individual initiative, etc. all flourished with a 80% white and 20% “other” (mostly black) country, that no longer exists.

    Of course the Reaganite GOP (which began in the Southwest) has always envied Latin America for the languid disposition of it’s normies. while bitterly complaining about “American” (whites and blacks) worker activism and how “satanic” the entertainment industry is. And the Reaganite GOP always praised the work ethic and family orientation of Asian and Latin immigrants, while saying that blacks represented everything that had gone wrong with America beginning in the 60’s.

    But most normie conservatives and moderates, at this stage of the game, would much rather have the demographics of old-school America back, rather than trying to run our current Tower of Babel arrangement forevermore.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani

    The impression I get is that extroverted ethnic groups are enthusiastic about politics/foreign policy issues/activism, while among normies at least, the introverted ethnic groups (Mestizos and Asians) are concerned about work and family obligations to the point that most other things just don’t really matter that much.
     
    Hell. This is why I find whites and Middle Easterners to be likable. This is also why you were great conquerors and why you have fairly balanced political systems.

    Sadly our lack of energy is why even Negroids could have functional democracies before us. Hell, even pre-colonial Africa was nowhere as centralized and authoritarian as Sinic states (China + Korea). It is precisely the quick tempered nature of blacks that ensure that authoritarianism in their countries can't be unbounded.

    If you are passive you are a good slave but never a competent master. Hence you will never even be free unless there are no masters around.


    America will become a more boring, but perhaps more peaceful, country under the aegis of a growing Asian/Hispanic culture. Creativity, entertainment, individual initiative, etc. all flourished with a 80% white and 20% “other” (mostly black) country, that no longer exists.

    Of course the Reaganite GOP (which began in the Southwest) has always envied Latin America for the languid disposition of it’s normies. while bitterly complaining about “American” (whites and blacks) worker activism and how “satanic” the entertainment industry is. And the Reaganite GOP always praised the work ethic and family orientation of Asian and Latin immigrants, while saying that blacks represented everything that had gone wrong with America beginning in the 60’s.
     

    I need to emphasize that there is a danger that cuckedness of traditionally agricultural NE Asia (and certain groups of India) can infect the entire world. It's really either we becoming revitalized and free or you guys becoming as cucked as us.

    If we can't unfuck ourselves make sure that you go economic protectionist because otherwise willing slaves and unwilling slaves who don't have the guts to rebel in my region will cause the entire world to have to be as unfree as us or be outcompeted. For the sake of humanity we want seeds of freedom to be preserved at least somewhere on this planet.

    Speaking of America itself most NE Asians don't want to live in a Hispanic nation and do not want to deal with Latin American level violence and poverty. So yeah there will be a day when we will be gone and you will find that the quality of East Asian-looking people rapidly declines because they will be mostly SE Asian. If we are gone because of mestizos maybe it will be time for you guys to make your decisions too.

    , @216
    One thing that should bend the minds of Boomercons: On social matter, Ocasio-Cortez is almost conservative by the standards of her generational cohort (not entirely surprising when you consider her father's background in the professional class, rather than her extended working-class family).

    Trump and Pence, rather than charting a new course, have only deepened the Bush-era anti-white and anti-Christian backlash. Added on to that an anti-Boomer sentiment.

    When the Boomers have passed from the scene, there will be no one identifying as "conservative" other than some GenX diehards. The likely setup, assuming the US is still in one piece, is a neoliberal Dem Party, and a DSA left party manages to be less Woke.
  19. @Anatoly Karlin
    I am indeed often bewildered by how whites are buying more and more into black grievances even as African-American privilege becomes more and more blatant with every passing year.

    I wonder if there will be a new peak of structural racism once Commissar Kamala launches her reparations plan, or whether sanity will reassert itself one day.

    Thought this poll was interesting too, collapse in support for Israel amongst young Republicans and Democrats.
     
    The one nice thing about La Raza Cosmica America is that there aren't too many nutjob Latinos obsessed with accelerating the Rapture.

    US Hispanization might be good for the world at large, if not so good for the US itself.

    It’s because the Teutonic world (which encompasses the entire anglo-sphere, Scandinavia, Germany, the Netherlands, and so forth) carries the baggage of Nazism. We must continue to punish ourselves for allowing the Third Reich to rise to power.

    As others have suggested, it’s only when the Teutonic world has been defeated (via demographic conquest, inept leadership, or collapsing under the weight of neo-liberal excess) that we can finally eliminate the epic levels of white guilt which is pounded into us day after day, non-stop.

    • Agree: 216
    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Are we sure the legacy of Nazism won't continue to be blamed even after the Teutonic world exists only in the history books? They still blame the legacy of colonialism in countries like Zimbabwe, after all.
  20. @LondonBob
    There could be the perception, created by the media, that immigration is being sharply dealt with by the Trump administration, when largely efforts have been stymied here. A similar phenomenon has happened here after the Brexit vote. Of course I am rightly very distrustful of such polls, who commissioned them, methodology and how the question is framed etc.

    https://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Younger-Republicans-are-less-supportive-of-Israel-poll-finds-587810

    Thought this poll was interesting too, collapse in support for Israel amongst young Republicans and Democrats.

    In the Obama and Trump era, immigration restriction has come to be seen as “racist”. It’s possible that poll respondents, for the last 10 years, are simply stating what they believe to be the socially acceptable opinion., rather than being fully sincere.

    The terror of PC, which has really only emerged during this period, is I think both a cause and effect of the growing mental distress that Americans seem to be laboring under. Under GW Bush, it was ok to talk crap about Muslims. But we’ve lost our perspective, and our sense of humor, since Obama was elected.

    Mass murders have been much worse this decade, compared to previous decades. Perhaps the entire Western world is beginning a descent into a period of ignorance and superstition, that may take a long time to play out. Suicide among white American has increased a great deal, suggesting that many people no longer have faith in the notion of a brighter future.

    Then again, Russia’s notorious 90’s proved to be a blip, which they’ve since recovered from. Perhaps we just need a better leader, and a few key reforms, to help us get back on track. Who knows?

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    One good thing: We are not resigned to being passive spectators--at least for now.
  21. I think this is another side of what I call the “generational eclipse”. When it comes to social matter, liberalism wins by getting into one cohort, consolidating, and then awaiting for the prior generations to pass away.

    The only way the Right wins is it is own countries, where liberals are not allowed access to the Megapohone of the culture industry.

  22. @LondonBob
    There could be the perception, created by the media, that immigration is being sharply dealt with by the Trump administration, when largely efforts have been stymied here. A similar phenomenon has happened here after the Brexit vote. Of course I am rightly very distrustful of such polls, who commissioned them, methodology and how the question is framed etc.

    https://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Younger-Republicans-are-less-supportive-of-Israel-poll-finds-587810

    Thought this poll was interesting too, collapse in support for Israel amongst young Republicans and Democrats.

    In the younger cohorts, “evangelical” is almost a perjorative, and mainline Protestantism is moribund. Historically both groups were Pro-Israel, with Catholics ambivalent. What is left of the Mainline has an increasing tendency towards Woke, which means BDS.

    It’s also a longer-term backlash against the Right for its support of the Middle East wars.

  23. @Feryl
    The impression I get is that extroverted ethnic groups are enthusiastic about politics/foreign policy issues/activism, while among normies at least, the introverted ethnic groups (Mestizos and Asians) are concerned about work and family obligations to the point that most other things just don't really matter that much.

    America will become a more boring, but perhaps more peaceful, country under the aegis of a growing Asian/Hispanic culture. Creativity, entertainment, individual initiative, etc. all flourished with a 80% white and 20% "other" (mostly black) country, that no longer exists.

    Of course the Reaganite GOP (which began in the Southwest) has always envied Latin America for the languid disposition of it's normies. while bitterly complaining about "American" (whites and blacks) worker activism and how "satanic" the entertainment industry is. And the Reaganite GOP always praised the work ethic and family orientation of Asian and Latin immigrants, while saying that blacks represented everything that had gone wrong with America beginning in the 60's.

    But most normie conservatives and moderates, at this stage of the game, would much rather have the demographics of old-school America back, rather than trying to run our current Tower of Babel arrangement forevermore.

    The impression I get is that extroverted ethnic groups are enthusiastic about politics/foreign policy issues/activism, while among normies at least, the introverted ethnic groups (Mestizos and Asians) are concerned about work and family obligations to the point that most other things just don’t really matter that much.

    Hell. This is why I find whites and Middle Easterners to be likable. This is also why you were great conquerors and why you have fairly balanced political systems.

    Sadly our lack of energy is why even Negroids could have functional democracies before us. Hell, even pre-colonial Africa was nowhere as centralized and authoritarian as Sinic states (China + Korea). It is precisely the quick tempered nature of blacks that ensure that authoritarianism in their countries can’t be unbounded.

    If you are passive you are a good slave but never a competent master. Hence you will never even be free unless there are no masters around.

    America will become a more boring, but perhaps more peaceful, country under the aegis of a growing Asian/Hispanic culture. Creativity, entertainment, individual initiative, etc. all flourished with a 80% white and 20% “other” (mostly black) country, that no longer exists.

    Of course the Reaganite GOP (which began in the Southwest) has always envied Latin America for the languid disposition of it’s normies. while bitterly complaining about “American” (whites and blacks) worker activism and how “satanic” the entertainment industry is. And the Reaganite GOP always praised the work ethic and family orientation of Asian and Latin immigrants, while saying that blacks represented everything that had gone wrong with America beginning in the 60’s.

    I need to emphasize that there is a danger that cuckedness of traditionally agricultural NE Asia (and certain groups of India) can infect the entire world. It’s really either we becoming revitalized and free or you guys becoming as cucked as us.

    If we can’t unfuck ourselves make sure that you go economic protectionist because otherwise willing slaves and unwilling slaves who don’t have the guts to rebel in my region will cause the entire world to have to be as unfree as us or be outcompeted. For the sake of humanity we want seeds of freedom to be preserved at least somewhere on this planet.

    Speaking of America itself most NE Asians don’t want to live in a Hispanic nation and do not want to deal with Latin American level violence and poverty. So yeah there will be a day when we will be gone and you will find that the quality of East Asian-looking people rapidly declines because they will be mostly SE Asian. If we are gone because of mestizos maybe it will be time for you guys to make your decisions too.

    • Replies: @216

    Speaking of America itself most NE Asians don’t want to live in a Hispanic nation and do not want to deal with Latin American level violence and poverty.
     
    Wrong

    Voting habits, and revealed preferences of residence say otherwise.

    Any Oriental or Hapa that mouths vauge conservative sentiments has a greased path towards success in the GOP. But they show minimal interest in taking it. I've suggested that the remaining eight white male GOP House members in California retire starting with Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy, and endorse non-white or female succcessors. But for all the tendency of the GOP establishment to cuck, they have never suggested it themselves.
  24. @Feryl
    The impression I get is that extroverted ethnic groups are enthusiastic about politics/foreign policy issues/activism, while among normies at least, the introverted ethnic groups (Mestizos and Asians) are concerned about work and family obligations to the point that most other things just don't really matter that much.

    America will become a more boring, but perhaps more peaceful, country under the aegis of a growing Asian/Hispanic culture. Creativity, entertainment, individual initiative, etc. all flourished with a 80% white and 20% "other" (mostly black) country, that no longer exists.

    Of course the Reaganite GOP (which began in the Southwest) has always envied Latin America for the languid disposition of it's normies. while bitterly complaining about "American" (whites and blacks) worker activism and how "satanic" the entertainment industry is. And the Reaganite GOP always praised the work ethic and family orientation of Asian and Latin immigrants, while saying that blacks represented everything that had gone wrong with America beginning in the 60's.

    But most normie conservatives and moderates, at this stage of the game, would much rather have the demographics of old-school America back, rather than trying to run our current Tower of Babel arrangement forevermore.

    One thing that should bend the minds of Boomercons: On social matter, Ocasio-Cortez is almost conservative by the standards of her generational cohort (not entirely surprising when you consider her father’s background in the professional class, rather than her extended working-class family).

    Trump and Pence, rather than charting a new course, have only deepened the Bush-era anti-white and anti-Christian backlash. Added on to that an anti-Boomer sentiment.

    When the Boomers have passed from the scene, there will be no one identifying as “conservative” other than some GenX diehards. The likely setup, assuming the US is still in one piece, is a neoliberal Dem Party, and a DSA left party manages to be less Woke.

    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt
    Marine Le Pen ditched the name of her party National Front and changed it to the National Rally.

    Macron and his Rothschild minders and handlers cooked up On The March or something as a political party name.

    The Republican Party must be extinguished and a new political party named White Core America must take its place.

    Trump the mass legal immigration extremist will kill the Republican Party and that's a good thing. Shelly Adelson and Paul Singer and the Koch Boys and the GOP Cheap Labor Faction will be told to join the Democrat Party or to go to Hell.

    As a rhetorical device, it's nice to suggest movement or motion in political language, so, maybe White Core America Rising or something similar can be cooked up.
    , @Charles Pewitt
    Anglo-Irish Edmund Burke? Yes.

    Koch Boy Puke Charlie Kirk? Hell No!

    Conservatism Inc. Must Be Destroyed So That White Core America Can Rise!

    https://twitter.com/Ulfric74/status/1121837150058815489
    , @Feryl
    Trump campaigned as a protectionist, immigration restrictionist, gov. healthcare expansionist, and so on. He was overwhelmingly popular among Gen X and Millennial conservatives, but considered an interloper by the doddering Silents and Boomers still stuck in 1985. Younger generations want populism and national security (the real kind, not the give mindless subsidies to an out of control Pentagon kind), older generations want Laissez-faire Ayn Rand/Thatcher bullshit that failed to restore our infrastructure, finances, good manners, and mental health.

    Older generations can't make the connection between de-regulated markets and the borders being left wide-open (and can the cucks stop saying open borders are a Left-Wing idea? Border jumping surges whenever a Republican enters office, that's been the case since Reagan). Or pit bull ownership surging since the 80's. Or the number of homeless people rising every decade since the 70's.

    The entire Reaganite edifice is a sad fraud, because America since the late 70's/early 80's has lost most of the admirable qualities it developed under FDR and the other New Dealers. Concern for common decency and dignity grew in the 1930's, 40's, and 50's. And these concerns were still quite apparent into the early 70's.
  25. @EastKekistani

    The impression I get is that extroverted ethnic groups are enthusiastic about politics/foreign policy issues/activism, while among normies at least, the introverted ethnic groups (Mestizos and Asians) are concerned about work and family obligations to the point that most other things just don’t really matter that much.
     
    Hell. This is why I find whites and Middle Easterners to be likable. This is also why you were great conquerors and why you have fairly balanced political systems.

    Sadly our lack of energy is why even Negroids could have functional democracies before us. Hell, even pre-colonial Africa was nowhere as centralized and authoritarian as Sinic states (China + Korea). It is precisely the quick tempered nature of blacks that ensure that authoritarianism in their countries can't be unbounded.

    If you are passive you are a good slave but never a competent master. Hence you will never even be free unless there are no masters around.


    America will become a more boring, but perhaps more peaceful, country under the aegis of a growing Asian/Hispanic culture. Creativity, entertainment, individual initiative, etc. all flourished with a 80% white and 20% “other” (mostly black) country, that no longer exists.

    Of course the Reaganite GOP (which began in the Southwest) has always envied Latin America for the languid disposition of it’s normies. while bitterly complaining about “American” (whites and blacks) worker activism and how “satanic” the entertainment industry is. And the Reaganite GOP always praised the work ethic and family orientation of Asian and Latin immigrants, while saying that blacks represented everything that had gone wrong with America beginning in the 60’s.
     

    I need to emphasize that there is a danger that cuckedness of traditionally agricultural NE Asia (and certain groups of India) can infect the entire world. It's really either we becoming revitalized and free or you guys becoming as cucked as us.

    If we can't unfuck ourselves make sure that you go economic protectionist because otherwise willing slaves and unwilling slaves who don't have the guts to rebel in my region will cause the entire world to have to be as unfree as us or be outcompeted. For the sake of humanity we want seeds of freedom to be preserved at least somewhere on this planet.

    Speaking of America itself most NE Asians don't want to live in a Hispanic nation and do not want to deal with Latin American level violence and poverty. So yeah there will be a day when we will be gone and you will find that the quality of East Asian-looking people rapidly declines because they will be mostly SE Asian. If we are gone because of mestizos maybe it will be time for you guys to make your decisions too.

    Speaking of America itself most NE Asians don’t want to live in a Hispanic nation and do not want to deal with Latin American level violence and poverty.

    Wrong

    Voting habits, and revealed preferences of residence say otherwise.

    Any Oriental or Hapa that mouths vauge conservative sentiments has a greased path towards success in the GOP. But they show minimal interest in taking it. I’ve suggested that the remaining eight white male GOP House members in California retire starting with Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy, and endorse non-white or female succcessors. But for all the tendency of the GOP establishment to cuck, they have never suggested it themselves.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani

    revealed preferences of residence say otherwise.
     
    Do we enjoy living with mestizos? We always try to stay away from them and Negroids. I think this is fairly easy to reveal statistically if we remove confounding variables such as whether people want to live in cities, SEAs and that college towns often have some Negroids and mestizos.

    Any Oriental or Hapa that mouths vauge conservative sentiments has a greased path towards success in the GOP.
     
    Well, I don't want to get into politics, let alone American politics. Instead I just want to promote East Kekistanism as an ideology online. If East Kekistanism becomes sufficiently popular politics will come.
  26. @216

    Speaking of America itself most NE Asians don’t want to live in a Hispanic nation and do not want to deal with Latin American level violence and poverty.
     
    Wrong

    Voting habits, and revealed preferences of residence say otherwise.

    Any Oriental or Hapa that mouths vauge conservative sentiments has a greased path towards success in the GOP. But they show minimal interest in taking it. I've suggested that the remaining eight white male GOP House members in California retire starting with Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy, and endorse non-white or female succcessors. But for all the tendency of the GOP establishment to cuck, they have never suggested it themselves.

    revealed preferences of residence say otherwise.

    Do we enjoy living with mestizos? We always try to stay away from them and Negroids. I think this is fairly easy to reveal statistically if we remove confounding variables such as whether people want to live in cities, SEAs and that college towns often have some Negroids and mestizos.

    Any Oriental or Hapa that mouths vauge conservative sentiments has a greased path towards success in the GOP.

    Well, I don’t want to get into politics, let alone American politics. Instead I just want to promote East Kekistanism as an ideology online. If East Kekistanism becomes sufficiently popular politics will come.

    • Replies: @216

    Do we enjoy living with mestizos?
     
    Next door? Perhaps not.

    But the highest concentration of Asians is in the coastal states, particularly the West Coast. These states also have the higher concentrations of Hispanics.

    Asian immigrants show very little affection for white conservative culture. They show high levels of affect for academic credentialism and corporations.
  27. Those immigration polls don’t mean crap.

    PEW can get this or that result by jiggering the question or by who they select as targets to be polled. Piss on the polls.

    Trump the candidate jumped in the polls after using the immigration issue to differentiate himself from the GOP donor whores running against him. Now Trump is a treasonous rat donor whore who pushes mass legal immigration and illegal immigration and multicultural mayhem.

    The Pewitt for President campaign will jump in the polls when voters find out that Trump is a treasonous rat who wants the “largest numbers ever” of legal immigrants to overrun and invade the United States. Trump is also refusing to deport the upwards of 30 million illegal alien invaders in the USA.

    The Pewitt campaign for President will make Trump’s numbers sink like a stone.

    Candidate Trump used the immigration issue to jump in the polls in the GOP presidential primary and to defeat Hillary Clinton for the White House.

    President Trump has violently backstabbed the American people by breaking his promise to reduce or stop mass legal immigration and to stop illegal immigration cold.

    Trump Is A Baby Boomer Backstabber Who Betrayed The American People On Immigration.

    Charles Pewitt Delivers Doom To Jebby Bush Presidential Campaign In 2015:

  28. @EastKekistani

    revealed preferences of residence say otherwise.
     
    Do we enjoy living with mestizos? We always try to stay away from them and Negroids. I think this is fairly easy to reveal statistically if we remove confounding variables such as whether people want to live in cities, SEAs and that college towns often have some Negroids and mestizos.

    Any Oriental or Hapa that mouths vauge conservative sentiments has a greased path towards success in the GOP.
     
    Well, I don't want to get into politics, let alone American politics. Instead I just want to promote East Kekistanism as an ideology online. If East Kekistanism becomes sufficiently popular politics will come.

    Do we enjoy living with mestizos?

    Next door? Perhaps not.

    But the highest concentration of Asians is in the coastal states, particularly the West Coast. These states also have the higher concentrations of Hispanics.

    Asian immigrants show very little affection for white conservative culture. They show high levels of affect for academic credentialism and corporations.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani

    But the highest concentration of Asians is in the coastal states, particularly the West Coast.
     
    Yep because they are wealthy.

    Asian immigrants show very little affection for white conservative culture. They show high levels of affect for academic credentialism and corporations.
     
    Yep. We want what looks like NE Asia.
    , @Oblivionrecurs
    Amusingly the immigrant share of Asian-Americans is super high. The median age of native born Asians is like 19.

    "Yet, the Asian population has also grown, but white respondents convey positive sentiments towards Asians, and express they feel comfortable living and interacting with them."

    https://www.mdpi.com/2075-4698/6/3/25/htm
  29. @Feryl
    It's a cautionary lesson about something we are all too familiar with: blacks will never stop being an irritant. They are the human resources equivalent of quick sand; the harder you struggle, the more you seem to get caught.

    Those who remember the disintegration of urban America that happened seemingly overnight, around 1965, will not be suprised that electing Obama, instead of placating the true believers and racial "advocates", ultimately served to just further stimulate a desire to achieve the impossible: a society where whites and blacks are always on the same page.

    How many times do we have to go through this? Every time we hit a "mile-stone" in racial "progress", it just causes blacks and white liberals to get more antsy about things not being as far along as they want.

    Blacks get "victories", but everyone ends up feeling bitter that they still are below whites in social standing and talent. We can't win, and never will, in our efforts to close the socio-economic gap between whites and blacks. Multi-cultural societies will always be prone to tension because the "losers" tend to ascribe ethnic animus on the part of the ethnic groups who do better. In a mono-racial society, the underclass is more likely to accept that they just aren't as talented as the winners.

    Exactly.

    Empires are multiethnic and sometimes multiracial.

    Nation states on the other hand are monolithic not only racially but also often ethnically and culturally. Note that in the case of America native whites and Negroids should be considered both races and ethnic groups.

  30. @216
    One thing that should bend the minds of Boomercons: On social matter, Ocasio-Cortez is almost conservative by the standards of her generational cohort (not entirely surprising when you consider her father's background in the professional class, rather than her extended working-class family).

    Trump and Pence, rather than charting a new course, have only deepened the Bush-era anti-white and anti-Christian backlash. Added on to that an anti-Boomer sentiment.

    When the Boomers have passed from the scene, there will be no one identifying as "conservative" other than some GenX diehards. The likely setup, assuming the US is still in one piece, is a neoliberal Dem Party, and a DSA left party manages to be less Woke.

    Marine Le Pen ditched the name of her party National Front and changed it to the National Rally.

    Macron and his Rothschild minders and handlers cooked up On The March or something as a political party name.

    The Republican Party must be extinguished and a new political party named White Core America must take its place.

    Trump the mass legal immigration extremist will kill the Republican Party and that’s a good thing. Shelly Adelson and Paul Singer and the Koch Boys and the GOP Cheap Labor Faction will be told to join the Democrat Party or to go to Hell.

    As a rhetorical device, it’s nice to suggest movement or motion in political language, so, maybe White Core America Rising or something similar can be cooked up.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    The name "White Core America" will be even less successful than the Constitution Party is, I think.
  31. @216

    Do we enjoy living with mestizos?
     
    Next door? Perhaps not.

    But the highest concentration of Asians is in the coastal states, particularly the West Coast. These states also have the higher concentrations of Hispanics.

    Asian immigrants show very little affection for white conservative culture. They show high levels of affect for academic credentialism and corporations.

    But the highest concentration of Asians is in the coastal states, particularly the West Coast.

    Yep because they are wealthy.

    Asian immigrants show very little affection for white conservative culture. They show high levels of affect for academic credentialism and corporations.

    Yep. We want what looks like NE Asia.

    • Replies: @216

    Yep. We want what looks like NE Asia.
     
    And I want what looks like Heritage America.

    But my views are considered morally illegitimate by the commanding heights of culture.

    Xi Jinping isn't regularly tarred as a racist by foreign press, let alone Xinhua.

    , @Crypto-Brythonic

    We want what looks like NE Asia.

     

    Overpopulated, smog-filled hives filled with myopic wage slaves throwing themselves into anti-suicide nets?
  32. @EastKekistani

    But the highest concentration of Asians is in the coastal states, particularly the West Coast.
     
    Yep because they are wealthy.

    Asian immigrants show very little affection for white conservative culture. They show high levels of affect for academic credentialism and corporations.
     
    Yep. We want what looks like NE Asia.

    Yep. We want what looks like NE Asia.

    And I want what looks like Heritage America.

    But my views are considered morally illegitimate by the commanding heights of culture.

    Xi Jinping isn’t regularly tarred as a racist by foreign press, let alone Xinhua.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    Yep. This is why we should separate. Maybe all the techies should go to Hawaii or some other place while mainland America + Alaska will be the white ethnostate.
    , @Crypto-Brythonic

    Xi Jinping isn’t regularly tarred as a racist by foreign press

     

    They have started to criticise him as an islamophobe, which is nearly as bad.
  33. @216
    One thing that should bend the minds of Boomercons: On social matter, Ocasio-Cortez is almost conservative by the standards of her generational cohort (not entirely surprising when you consider her father's background in the professional class, rather than her extended working-class family).

    Trump and Pence, rather than charting a new course, have only deepened the Bush-era anti-white and anti-Christian backlash. Added on to that an anti-Boomer sentiment.

    When the Boomers have passed from the scene, there will be no one identifying as "conservative" other than some GenX diehards. The likely setup, assuming the US is still in one piece, is a neoliberal Dem Party, and a DSA left party manages to be less Woke.

    Anglo-Irish Edmund Burke? Yes.

    Koch Boy Puke Charlie Kirk? Hell No!

    Conservatism Inc. Must Be Destroyed So That White Core America Can Rise!

  34. @Anatoly Karlin
    I am indeed often bewildered by how whites are buying more and more into black grievances even as African-American privilege becomes more and more blatant with every passing year.

    I wonder if there will be a new peak of structural racism once Commissar Kamala launches her reparations plan, or whether sanity will reassert itself one day.

    Thought this poll was interesting too, collapse in support for Israel amongst young Republicans and Democrats.
     
    The one nice thing about La Raza Cosmica America is that there aren't too many nutjob Latinos obsessed with accelerating the Rapture.

    US Hispanization might be good for the world at large, if not so good for the US itself.

    The NYT reported that liberal whites are now significantly ahead of blacks in terms of racial resentment, and considering the times my black friends have told my liberal white friends to stop the white guilt bullshit i’d imagine it’ll only get higher.

    Reparations will absolutely be a popular proposal (until it happens) but the current battle is between those who believe it should be “blacks should be given a vast sum of money from all whites” or the “job programs, education, et cetra” approach. Blacks in polling tend to lean towards the later, but both are pretty popular.

    I hope that the the 2020 census finally fucking separates ethnicity and race for Latinos, since it artificially rises the white-Hispanic number (which is still falling even with official 1990-2010 census data) and even the 1989 LNPS found that first-generation immigrants identified as 66% white 32% Hispanic and that third-generation immigration identified as 52% white 47% Hispanic

    The hope for whites is that blacks and Latinos find themselves at odds to really accomplish much, younger whites achieve racial salience and vote like it, and we finally fucking get young males to turnout because in terms of turnout no-one comes close to the young black woman (at least in Georgia and Florida data)

  35. @EastKekistani

    But the highest concentration of Asians is in the coastal states, particularly the West Coast.
     
    Yep because they are wealthy.

    Asian immigrants show very little affection for white conservative culture. They show high levels of affect for academic credentialism and corporations.
     
    Yep. We want what looks like NE Asia.

    We want what looks like NE Asia.

    Overpopulated, smog-filled hives filled with myopic wage slaves throwing themselves into anti-suicide nets?

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    It is overpopulated because we don't have colonies in SEA.

    China is smog-filled right now but probably won't be by 2050. Look at Britain, Germany and Japan. They used to be very polluted too.

    The wage slave problem indeed needs to be fixed.

    You didn't mention the safety, the skyscrapers, the cool infrastructure and other cool things though. They are awesome because we have very few Negroids and almost no mestizos.
  36. @216

    Yep. We want what looks like NE Asia.
     
    And I want what looks like Heritage America.

    But my views are considered morally illegitimate by the commanding heights of culture.

    Xi Jinping isn't regularly tarred as a racist by foreign press, let alone Xinhua.

    Yep. This is why we should separate. Maybe all the techies should go to Hawaii or some other place while mainland America + Alaska will be the white ethnostate.

    • Replies: @216
    I'll be amazed if we are allowed those proverbial "caves in the Caucusus"
  37. @216

    Yep. We want what looks like NE Asia.
     
    And I want what looks like Heritage America.

    But my views are considered morally illegitimate by the commanding heights of culture.

    Xi Jinping isn't regularly tarred as a racist by foreign press, let alone Xinhua.

    Xi Jinping isn’t regularly tarred as a racist by foreign press

    They have started to criticise him as an islamophobe, which is nearly as bad.

    • Replies: @216
    When state-sponsored Islamists start calling for jihad against the PRC, wake me up.

    Until then, the Uyghur cause is just another fashionable item for Westerners like the Tibet cause.

    Xi gets away with a lot more than Putin does. And the reason is racial.
  38. @216

    Do we enjoy living with mestizos?
     
    Next door? Perhaps not.

    But the highest concentration of Asians is in the coastal states, particularly the West Coast. These states also have the higher concentrations of Hispanics.

    Asian immigrants show very little affection for white conservative culture. They show high levels of affect for academic credentialism and corporations.

    Amusingly the immigrant share of Asian-Americans is super high. The median age of native born Asians is like 19.

    “Yet, the Asian population has also grown, but white respondents convey positive sentiments towards Asians, and express they feel comfortable living and interacting with them.”

    https://www.mdpi.com/2075-4698/6/3/25/htm

    • Replies: @Oblivionrecurs
    For non-Hispanic white Americans, proximity to Asians correlates with positive attitudes toward immigrants, whereas those living with Hispanics are more likely to harbor negative stereotypes. Conversely, African Americans living with Asians are more likely to be prejudiced against immigrants. Furthermore, the positive effects of racial contexts are more salient in the neighborhoods than in larger areas. These findings suggest the significance of racial integration in alleviating interethnic tension.

    https://www.jstor.org/stable/27759884?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents
  39. @Crypto-Brythonic

    Xi Jinping isn’t regularly tarred as a racist by foreign press

     

    They have started to criticise him as an islamophobe, which is nearly as bad.

    When state-sponsored Islamists start calling for jihad against the PRC, wake me up.

    Until then, the Uyghur cause is just another fashionable item for Westerners like the Tibet cause.

    Xi gets away with a lot more than Putin does. And the reason is racial.

  40. @EastKekistani
    Yep. This is why we should separate. Maybe all the techies should go to Hawaii or some other place while mainland America + Alaska will be the white ethnostate.

    I’ll be amazed if we are allowed those proverbial “caves in the Caucusus”

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @EastKekistani

    I’ll be amazed if we are allowed those proverbial “caves in the Caucusus”
     
    You don't need their permission.

    In China we guys petition way too much and resist way too little which is why we are still a fucking commie state.

    Cuckedness is the beginning of despotism and slavery. An armed and united public keeps tyrants in check.

    , @EastKekistani
    P.S. You may want to adopt some tactics from Middle Eastern Muslims. I'm not talking about converting to Islam. Instead I'm talking about adopting some of their social technologies without becoming ossified.

    Of course here by "Middle Eastern Muslims" I'm talking about groups such as Bedouin Arabs and Pashtuns (rulers of Afghanistan). Crucially Iranians don't count. They are cucked in a way not very different from China and certain groups in India.
  41. “It is probably going to take a severe economic downturn (and accompanying currency crisis) to push public sentiment back towards restrictionism.”

    one’s view about national economic health, as well concern with immigrants’
    negative effect on job opportunities and taxes, strongly predict individual opposition to higher levels of immigration (Citrin et al. 1997; Espenshade and Hempstead 1996; Kessler 2001; Harwood 1983; Alvarez and Butterfield 2000).

    Counties where Anglos and Latinos comprise the bulk of the population strongly supported Proposition 187, whereas counties with a more heterogeneous racial/ethnic composition manifested weaker support for the anti-immigrant measure.

  42. @Crypto-Brythonic

    We want what looks like NE Asia.

     

    Overpopulated, smog-filled hives filled with myopic wage slaves throwing themselves into anti-suicide nets?

    It is overpopulated because we don’t have colonies in SEA.

    China is smog-filled right now but probably won’t be by 2050. Look at Britain, Germany and Japan. They used to be very polluted too.

    The wage slave problem indeed needs to be fixed.

    You didn’t mention the safety, the skyscrapers, the cool infrastructure and other cool things though. They are awesome because we have very few Negroids and almost no mestizos.

    • Replies: @Oblivionrecurs
    Dr Jiang (Energy Research Institute) delivered China's energy strategy at EPIA: featuring 500GW of Nuclear Power by 2050, alongside Wind, Solar & Hydro. The plan is rational, economical, scalable & deployment-ready.

    They plan to reduce coal consumption considerably. Basically, they operate at ~4,000 hours/year now. And will be told to decrease to 3000, then 2000. But paid about the same amount. Easy
    Obviously having nuclear in place essential to begin this.

    China won't be using coal for home heating for winter anymore either
  43. US demographics have already been irreversibly (since force is immoral for polite whites) altered, so even a full stop on immigration today would do nothing more than delay the inevitable.

    This is an exercise in deck chair reshuffling.

    • Replies: @Oblivionrecurs
    One of the biggest myths in America is that we're good at assimilating migrants, but 1800s-1940s data showed that we where pretty abysmal at it. - https://www.nber.org/papers/w24764

    literally the only thing that could possibly achieve the required "assimilation" to integrate non-whites would be a world-war, Else we'll seriously need to start talking about some sort of break-up of the country or at the very least ethnic-regionalism will get so intense it'll feel like it.
  44. @Oblivionrecurs
    Amusingly the immigrant share of Asian-Americans is super high. The median age of native born Asians is like 19.

    "Yet, the Asian population has also grown, but white respondents convey positive sentiments towards Asians, and express they feel comfortable living and interacting with them."

    https://www.mdpi.com/2075-4698/6/3/25/htm

    For non-Hispanic white Americans, proximity to Asians correlates with positive attitudes toward immigrants, whereas those living with Hispanics are more likely to harbor negative stereotypes. Conversely, African Americans living with Asians are more likely to be prejudiced against immigrants. Furthermore, the positive effects of racial contexts are more salient in the neighborhoods than in larger areas. These findings suggest the significance of racial integration in alleviating interethnic tension.

    https://www.jstor.org/stable/27759884?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

  45. @MikeatMikedotMike
    US demographics have already been irreversibly (since force is immoral for polite whites) altered, so even a full stop on immigration today would do nothing more than delay the inevitable.

    This is an exercise in deck chair reshuffling.

    One of the biggest myths in America is that we’re good at assimilating migrants, but 1800s-1940s data showed that we where pretty abysmal at it. – https://www.nber.org/papers/w24764

    literally the only thing that could possibly achieve the required “assimilation” to integrate non-whites would be a world-war, Else we’ll seriously need to start talking about some sort of break-up of the country or at the very least ethnic-regionalism will get so intense it’ll feel like it.

    • Replies: @Feryl
    Resentment toward new comers on both economic and cultural grounds continued to rise until the 1930's, at which point we stopped permitting new arrivals and really stepped up pressure on Ellis Islanders to conform to American culture.

    Peter Turchin et al have all done extensive research on how several decades of high immigration typically precede periods of popular discontent and intense debates over politics, economics, and culture.

    There has never been, and never will be, a period where immigrants "blend" in smoothly with the natives. Usually, the higher the immigration levels, the more corrupt our elites are. And the more pissed off the public will get.

    A lot of Reaganite cucks blow smoke about older eras of immgration being better, to try and ward off the (New Deal era) mindset that limiting the entry of cheap labor is necessary to insure the well-being of the working class.
  46. @EastKekistani
    It is overpopulated because we don't have colonies in SEA.

    China is smog-filled right now but probably won't be by 2050. Look at Britain, Germany and Japan. They used to be very polluted too.

    The wage slave problem indeed needs to be fixed.

    You didn't mention the safety, the skyscrapers, the cool infrastructure and other cool things though. They are awesome because we have very few Negroids and almost no mestizos.

    Dr Jiang (Energy Research Institute) delivered China’s energy strategy at EPIA: featuring 500GW of Nuclear Power by 2050, alongside Wind, Solar & Hydro. The plan is rational, economical, scalable & deployment-ready.

    They plan to reduce coal consumption considerably. Basically, they operate at ~4,000 hours/year now. And will be told to decrease to 3000, then 2000. But paid about the same amount. Easy
    Obviously having nuclear in place essential to begin this.

    China won’t be using coal for home heating for winter anymore either

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    Yeah. Pollution and other kinds of the remaining Third World-like shit in China are going to be history as long as China doesn't get terminally destroyed by WWIII or Third World migrants from SEA or Africa.
  47. @Oblivionrecurs
    One of the biggest myths in America is that we're good at assimilating migrants, but 1800s-1940s data showed that we where pretty abysmal at it. - https://www.nber.org/papers/w24764

    literally the only thing that could possibly achieve the required "assimilation" to integrate non-whites would be a world-war, Else we'll seriously need to start talking about some sort of break-up of the country or at the very least ethnic-regionalism will get so intense it'll feel like it.

    Resentment toward new comers on both economic and cultural grounds continued to rise until the 1930’s, at which point we stopped permitting new arrivals and really stepped up pressure on Ellis Islanders to conform to American culture.

    Peter Turchin et al have all done extensive research on how several decades of high immigration typically precede periods of popular discontent and intense debates over politics, economics, and culture.

    There has never been, and never will be, a period where immigrants “blend” in smoothly with the natives. Usually, the higher the immigration levels, the more corrupt our elites are. And the more pissed off the public will get.

    A lot of Reaganite cucks blow smoke about older eras of immgration being better, to try and ward off the (New Deal era) mindset that limiting the entry of cheap labor is necessary to insure the well-being of the working class.

    • Replies: @Oblivionrecurs
    I don't know about immigration, but bogradus scale of social distance study does show anti-black resentment for whites was significantly higher in 1946 vs 1928, but in 1958 it was at its lowest point. Economy plays a big role.

    Southern anti-migrant attitudes tested higher to those that had a massive perceived threat i.e Russians, Japanese, and Blacks. They tested high for preference for Greeks, Turks, Chinese, and Hindus at the time.
  48. “Illegal Migrants Bail Out of a Stolen Truck in Texas”

  49. @216
    I'll be amazed if we are allowed those proverbial "caves in the Caucusus"

    I’ll be amazed if we are allowed those proverbial “caves in the Caucusus”

    You don’t need their permission.

    In China we guys petition way too much and resist way too little which is why we are still a fucking commie state.

    Cuckedness is the beginning of despotism and slavery. An armed and united public keeps tyrants in check.

    • Replies: @216

    You don’t need their permission.
     
    Yes we do.

    Most people want to believe their leaders can be trusted. They don't trust those that break from societal consensus.

    We are a small minority that is despised by large numbers of people.

    I think our own bad behavior has a lot to do with that.

    Saying "we want our own country", comes across as petulance to a lot of people.
  50. @Oblivionrecurs
    Dr Jiang (Energy Research Institute) delivered China's energy strategy at EPIA: featuring 500GW of Nuclear Power by 2050, alongside Wind, Solar & Hydro. The plan is rational, economical, scalable & deployment-ready.

    They plan to reduce coal consumption considerably. Basically, they operate at ~4,000 hours/year now. And will be told to decrease to 3000, then 2000. But paid about the same amount. Easy
    Obviously having nuclear in place essential to begin this.

    China won't be using coal for home heating for winter anymore either

    Yeah. Pollution and other kinds of the remaining Third World-like shit in China are going to be history as long as China doesn’t get terminally destroyed by WWIII or Third World migrants from SEA or Africa.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    I have to admire the Chinese program of replacing coal-burning space heaters with 4oo megawatt "swimming pool" reactors feeding hot water to radiators.  Stone-ax simple, cheap, very fast to build, cleans up the air and probably costs less.

    That's the kind of thing that the US and Canada could build, once.  Canada actually had a reactor called the Slowpoke which was intended to heat individual buildings, like apartment blocks.  Sadly, it went nowhere.
    , @Oblivionrecurs
    if climate change is remotely as bad at projected the Chinese are fucked fam

    Declines of protein and minerals essential for humans, including iron and zinc, have been reported for crops in response to rising atmospheric carbon dioxide concentration, [CO2]. For the current century, estimates of the potential human health impact of these declines range from 138 million to 1.4 billion, depending on the nutrient. However, changes in plant-based vitamin content in response to [CO2] have not been elucidated. Inclusion of vitamin information would substantially improve estimates of health risks. Among crop species, rice is the primary food source for more than 2 billion people. We used multiyear, multilocation in situ FACE (free-air CO2 enrichment) experiments for 18 genetically diverse rice lines, including Japonica, Indica, and hybrids currently grown throughout Asia. We report for the first time the integrated nutritional impact of those changes (protein, micronutrients, and vitamins) for the 10 countries that consume the most rice as part of their daily caloric supply. Whereas our results confirm the declines in protein, iron, and zinc, we also find consistent declines in vitamins B1, B2, B5, and B9 and, conversely, an increase in vitamin E. A strong correlation between the impacts of elevated [CO2] on vitamin content based on the molecular fraction of nitrogen within the vitamin was observed. Finally, potential health risks associated with anticipated CO2-induced deficits of protein, minerals, and vitamins in rice were correlated to the lowest overall gross domestic product per capita for the highest rice-consuming countries, suggesting potential consequences for a global population of approximately 600 million.
  51. “Debunking Van Jones – Illegal Immigrant Crime.”

  52. @216
    One thing that should bend the minds of Boomercons: On social matter, Ocasio-Cortez is almost conservative by the standards of her generational cohort (not entirely surprising when you consider her father's background in the professional class, rather than her extended working-class family).

    Trump and Pence, rather than charting a new course, have only deepened the Bush-era anti-white and anti-Christian backlash. Added on to that an anti-Boomer sentiment.

    When the Boomers have passed from the scene, there will be no one identifying as "conservative" other than some GenX diehards. The likely setup, assuming the US is still in one piece, is a neoliberal Dem Party, and a DSA left party manages to be less Woke.

    Trump campaigned as a protectionist, immigration restrictionist, gov. healthcare expansionist, and so on. He was overwhelmingly popular among Gen X and Millennial conservatives, but considered an interloper by the doddering Silents and Boomers still stuck in 1985. Younger generations want populism and national security (the real kind, not the give mindless subsidies to an out of control Pentagon kind), older generations want Laissez-faire Ayn Rand/Thatcher bullshit that failed to restore our infrastructure, finances, good manners, and mental health.

    Older generations can’t make the connection between de-regulated markets and the borders being left wide-open (and can the cucks stop saying open borders are a Left-Wing idea? Border jumping surges whenever a Republican enters office, that’s been the case since Reagan). Or pit bull ownership surging since the 80’s. Or the number of homeless people rising every decade since the 70’s.

    The entire Reaganite edifice is a sad fraud, because America since the late 70’s/early 80’s has lost most of the admirable qualities it developed under FDR and the other New Dealers. Concern for common decency and dignity grew in the 1930’s, 40’s, and 50’s. And these concerns were still quite apparent into the early 70’s.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani

    Older generations can’t make the connection between de-regulated markets and the borders being left wide-open (and can the cucks stop saying open borders are a Left-Wing idea?
     
    Maybe we should stop using "left" and "right" when we clearly need to discriminate more. Libertarianism is of course not good for tribes because it is an ideology that rejects collectivism. Economic aspects of collectivism includes but is not limited to protectionism and socialism. Social aspects of collectivism includes nationalism, religious conservatism and ironically, SJ even though it is a very weak form of collectivism because you can't build strong communities based on what you aren't.
  53. @216
    I'll be amazed if we are allowed those proverbial "caves in the Caucusus"

    P.S. You may want to adopt some tactics from Middle Eastern Muslims. I’m not talking about converting to Islam. Instead I’m talking about adopting some of their social technologies without becoming ossified.

    Of course here by “Middle Eastern Muslims” I’m talking about groups such as Bedouin Arabs and Pashtuns (rulers of Afghanistan). Crucially Iranians don’t count. They are cucked in a way not very different from China and certain groups in India.

  54. Put another way: Silents and Boomers took the good things about the 1930’s-1970’s for granted, and have been busy undermining those things ever since they had the power to do so. Later born generations wistfully look back on the New Deal era, and wonder if they’ll ever get to have their own era of optimism, equality, and decency.

    Of course some Silents and Boomers act embarrassed that they ever let things get so bad, but at the end of the day, the generations who fought to uphold the New Deal (Missionaries and GIs mainly, with the Losts begrudgingly cooperating) created something that the Silents and Boomers never really loved. Cuz if they did love it, they wouldn’t have spent their lives destroying it.

  55. @Feryl
    Trump campaigned as a protectionist, immigration restrictionist, gov. healthcare expansionist, and so on. He was overwhelmingly popular among Gen X and Millennial conservatives, but considered an interloper by the doddering Silents and Boomers still stuck in 1985. Younger generations want populism and national security (the real kind, not the give mindless subsidies to an out of control Pentagon kind), older generations want Laissez-faire Ayn Rand/Thatcher bullshit that failed to restore our infrastructure, finances, good manners, and mental health.

    Older generations can't make the connection between de-regulated markets and the borders being left wide-open (and can the cucks stop saying open borders are a Left-Wing idea? Border jumping surges whenever a Republican enters office, that's been the case since Reagan). Or pit bull ownership surging since the 80's. Or the number of homeless people rising every decade since the 70's.

    The entire Reaganite edifice is a sad fraud, because America since the late 70's/early 80's has lost most of the admirable qualities it developed under FDR and the other New Dealers. Concern for common decency and dignity grew in the 1930's, 40's, and 50's. And these concerns were still quite apparent into the early 70's.

    Older generations can’t make the connection between de-regulated markets and the borders being left wide-open (and can the cucks stop saying open borders are a Left-Wing idea?

    Maybe we should stop using “left” and “right” when we clearly need to discriminate more. Libertarianism is of course not good for tribes because it is an ideology that rejects collectivism. Economic aspects of collectivism includes but is not limited to protectionism and socialism. Social aspects of collectivism includes nationalism, religious conservatism and ironically, SJ even though it is a very weak form of collectivism because you can’t build strong communities based on what you aren’t.

  56. @Achmed E. Newman
    It's not clear to me why the numbers in graphs 2, 3, and 4 don't add up to anywhere near 100%. Is it just those who "don't know", "don't care", or "think it should remain as is"?

    It's hard to believe people would have no opinion on the existential issue. Either way, the whole thing is depressingly stupid.

    The percentages not shown are the ones who answered that immigration levels should remain the same.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Thanks.
  57. @Achmed E. Newman

    ... because of a few decades rough stretch.
     
    In each of these decades 10 - 20 MILLION people entered this country, Iffen. They have lots of children. It's not something that can be fixed by waiting for these votes. Even by this point, America is not the same country as it was in 1985, much less 1965.

    This is one reason I’m skeptical of the cycles of history approach. It is hard to imagine the geographical US being in some part of a socio-political cycle when an earlier part of that cycle that happened in, say, the 1960s, happened to an almost unrecognizably different demographic group. It happened in the same geographical area but not to the same people.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Yeah, that sounds like Fourth Turning talk, A.E., if I'm not mistaken. Strauss and Howe wrote at the beginning of the books (Generations was their 1st one) that everything involved in their long analysis of every cohort in every generation during every part of each 4-part cycle was based on the English, and then American peoples.

    BTW, thank you for checking out my blog - the bit on reparations doesn't sound serious, but I'd put all my money on it. It's a pretty good bet that there are no former American slaves and slave owners alive today. Go ahead, Blue Squad, call my bluff.
  58. @EastKekistani

    I’ll be amazed if we are allowed those proverbial “caves in the Caucusus”
     
    You don't need their permission.

    In China we guys petition way too much and resist way too little which is why we are still a fucking commie state.

    Cuckedness is the beginning of despotism and slavery. An armed and united public keeps tyrants in check.

    You don’t need their permission.

    Yes we do.

    Most people want to believe their leaders can be trusted. They don’t trust those that break from societal consensus.

    We are a small minority that is despised by large numbers of people.

    I think our own bad behavior has a lot to do with that.

    Saying “we want our own country”, comes across as petulance to a lot of people.

  59. @Achmed E. Newman
    AGREED on both points, Mr. Karlin. On the latter point though, will the Hispanics ever really get control of things like the "Neocons" have? Steve Sailer always points out that they are not very political-minded (I can see that too from observation). No, getting Hispanicized is not good for the US - some of us never decided to bail out to the Banana Republics, so we don't want the Banana Republics coming to us.

    On the former point, I think the country would be hard-pressed to find a better, more-fairminded deal than Peak Stupidity's Reparations Plan.

    Making it a special payroll deduction would create one hell of a shitshow!

    One obvious metaproblem with all of this stuff is how virtue-signalling is not only free, it pays. There are no immediate costs but there are immediate benefits.

  60. The changes in amounts of support for immigration restriction can be explained by looking at it in terms of a leave us alone coalition versus a takings coalition. Immigrants receive more in welfare benefits than they pay in taxes. A lot of these benefits flow to their children but the immigrant parents benefit too because any money they don’t have to spend on their children because of the benefits received they can then spend on themselves. So immigrants are part of the takings coalition. Blacks also receive more from government than they pay in taxes. They are also part of the takings coalition. Some immigration restriction supporters have tried to convince blacks they’ll get more welfare if they don’t have to share it with immigrants but that hasn’t worked. Blacks see immigrants as coalition partners in plundering the productive members of society. In the case of whites, most of them were formerly part of the leave us alone coalition but increasing numbers are joining the takings coalition. This would include single moms on welfare, brainwashed graduates of liberal dominated colleges and various other white subgroups that are increasing in size. As more whites join the takings coalition white support for increased immigration grows. The takings coalition is now a majority of the population which explains why we have a 22 trillion dollar national debt that is increasing by another trillion dollars every year.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    The issue I have with that interpretation is that one white subgroup that is moving *more* towards the "takings coalition" are highly-educated, high-earning SWPLs.

    Is it the Northam/Biden syndrome, where to stay in the good graces of the coalition (for now), one must double down on attacking badwhites?
  61. @EastKekistani

    I am indeed often bewildered by how whites are buying more and more into black grievances even as African-American privilege becomes more and more blatant with every passing year.

    I wonder if there will be a new peak of structural racism once Commissar Kamala launches her reparations plan, or whether sanity will reassert itself one day.
     

    Yeah. Negroids are really trying to ruin global racial peace. What do they want? A race war in which they can't win, that is, suicide? I really hope they won't ignite some WMD-heavy WWIII.

    The one nice thing about La Raza Cosmica America is that there aren’t too many nutjob Latinos obsessed with accelerating the Rapture.
     

    Yeah. However mestizos aren't good at self-rule at all. This is why Latin America is generally ruled by whites (uh..and some light mestizos).

    US Hispanization might be good for the world at large, if not so good for the US itself.
     
    Come on, nope. There is a need for a Roman Empire like America in the world.

    Blacks are the least likely (according to the GSS) to say “life has no purpose” and also the least likely to suffer from poor mental health. They are probably the least likely to intentionally want to just see the world burn, even if their behaviors seem to suggest otherwise.

    Talking about a race war is masturbatory fantasy. Good thing that it is fantasy, too, because war is hell for virtually everyone involved. The real war is of the womb and of migration. Populations will live and die based on those two things more than anything else.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani

    Blacks are the least likely (according to the GSS) to say “life has no purpose” and also the least likely to suffer from poor mental health. They are probably the least likely to intentionally want to just see the world burn, even if their behaviors seem to suggest otherwise.
     
    What blacks want does not matter. I honestly can not understand them at all. Instead what matters is what they do. They say that they want to exterminate whites. They commit a lot of crimes including interracial crimes. Regardless of whether they actually want a race war they are causing one.

    Talking about a race war is masturbatory fantasy. Good thing that it is fantasy, too, because war is hell for virtually everyone involved.
     
    Tell that to Bedouins or ancient Assyrians, Romans, Huns, Mongols.... Nope. If you guys give up the world it will belong to the next group that have what it takes to take them, Middle Eastern Muslims. That's just how the universe works. They alone have the combination of civilization, TFR and uncuckedness now.

    The real war is of the womb and of migration. Populations will live and die based on those two things more than anything else.
     
    That's definitely a part of it assuming that there is no hot war.
    , @notanon

    Talking about a race war is masturbatory fantasy.
     
    the media will increasingly incite it as the white percentage of the population declines.
    , @Feryl
    Consider the source. Blacks often are full of baloney, and genuine psychiatric research says that they tend to be mentally unstable. But they do have upbeat personalities, which stops them from committing suicide like other races do.

    It's not always clear what they "want", although the frequent episodes of excusing black criminals ought to make clear that public safety isn't high on the list of priorities. And they often make delusional and paranoid claims that white authorities (or civilian onlookers) are subjecting them to undue surveillance and harassment (whereas today's white population could plausibly complain that police and government are unfairly hostile towards them) .

    One thing that we ought to keep in mind too is that sub-Saharan blacks often have the equatorial "jolly warrior" personality. They can be fun and charming at times, but can also unpredictably (and frighteningly) lapse into volatile and violent behavior. Of course, we all know some white people like this, but they stand out because they are fairly unusual among whites.

    In the current distressed climate, a lot of alienated and depressed whites do have very destructive fantasies, I'll give you that.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    AGREED that war is a terrible thing, but maybe not THE most terrible. Anyway regarding:

    Blacks are the least likely (according to the GSS) to say “life has no purpose” and also the least likely to suffer from poor mental health.
     
    That might be from the polls, and I've have heard that blacks don't commit suicide at the rate of whites. I think they behave like "life has no purpose" way more than other races. Just look at their assets!

    However, if this phrase is to indicate a propensity for suicide, than that is really another meaning from just being irresponsible and not giving a damn about doing a good job, etc, which is absolutely the case in general.

    Perhaps people with lower IQ have less of a tendency to commit suicide as they don't see or understand what's coming in their lives. I don't know, but I think that would make a good post for you - Suicide rate vs. IQ (but, of course, you'd have to use education level instead, I'd guess.)
  62. @EastKekistani

    I am indeed often bewildered by how whites are buying more and more into black grievances even as African-American privilege becomes more and more blatant with every passing year.

    I wonder if there will be a new peak of structural racism once Commissar Kamala launches her reparations plan, or whether sanity will reassert itself one day.
     

    Yeah. Negroids are really trying to ruin global racial peace. What do they want? A race war in which they can't win, that is, suicide? I really hope they won't ignite some WMD-heavy WWIII.

    The one nice thing about La Raza Cosmica America is that there aren’t too many nutjob Latinos obsessed with accelerating the Rapture.
     

    Yeah. However mestizos aren't good at self-rule at all. This is why Latin America is generally ruled by whites (uh..and some light mestizos).

    US Hispanization might be good for the world at large, if not so good for the US itself.
     
    Come on, nope. There is a need for a Roman Empire like America in the world.

    In an era when so little wealth comes directly from land ownership, why should we want a global empire, American or otherwise? I want the exact opposite–as much localism as possible. But we’re probably getting that global empire one way or another, the blips of resistance that are Brexit, Trump, Salvini, etc notwithstanding.

    • Replies: @216
    The localism that seems the strongest is NIMBYism, rooted in protection of property values and scenic vistas. Anti-gentrification is also strong, but runs into the problem that it is a movement of tenants against landlords.

    This kind of localism isn't subjected to academics applying the Adorno thesis onto its participants, and its also urban in nature.

    There is little in it for elites to feel protective of their co-ethnics. Elites tend to attend the same universities, which have Japan-like immigration policies when it comes to admission. US Ivies outright operate on hereditarianism.
    , @SunBakedSuburb
    Agreed. Localism is the rational way forward. Regarding the global empire: we've been captives of it since at least the post-WW2 period. The Anglo-Zionist union of the US and UK has been the dominant military and financial power. But it's in obvious decline. I've heard and read that capital has now shifted to the east, China being the top Asian power. But it's too soon to say whether China and other Asian entities will fully eclipse the Anglo-Zionist union. China has some serious problems in its western lands: poverty and Islam. And I don't believe Japan will leave the Anglo-Zionist sphere.
  63. @Feryl
    It's a cautionary lesson about something we are all too familiar with: blacks will never stop being an irritant. They are the human resources equivalent of quick sand; the harder you struggle, the more you seem to get caught.

    Those who remember the disintegration of urban America that happened seemingly overnight, around 1965, will not be suprised that electing Obama, instead of placating the true believers and racial "advocates", ultimately served to just further stimulate a desire to achieve the impossible: a society where whites and blacks are always on the same page.

    How many times do we have to go through this? Every time we hit a "mile-stone" in racial "progress", it just causes blacks and white liberals to get more antsy about things not being as far along as they want.

    Blacks get "victories", but everyone ends up feeling bitter that they still are below whites in social standing and talent. We can't win, and never will, in our efforts to close the socio-economic gap between whites and blacks. Multi-cultural societies will always be prone to tension because the "losers" tend to ascribe ethnic animus on the part of the ethnic groups who do better. In a mono-racial society, the underclass is more likely to accept that they just aren't as talented as the winners.

    One thing we can do is stop adding more volatile ethnic ingredients to the mix. A biracial country where the majority had to perpetually give to the minority for various reasons was a viable one. Maybe not optimal, but viable. What the US is becoming now is simply not viable.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Feryl
    Allowing your country to be constantly over-run by aliens is going to eventually destroy the established culture of that country. It's happened, time and time again, throughout history. America took on greater and greater varieties of newcomers from the time of it's founding through the Ellis Island days, but eventually we were under such strain to accommodate them that we slammed the door for about 40 years (roughly 1930-1970).

    However, whenever the authorities finally decide that enough is enough* and we stabilize our demographics, we will have to begin the rebuilding process, just as we did in the 1930's-1950's. Similar to how the America of the 1950's inevitably reflected the character of the Jews and Catholics who'd only been coming here since the 1880's, the America of the 2050's is going to reflect a now established population of Asians and Mexicans. For better of for worse.

    The likely reduced population of legacy American blacks (whose birthrates have plummeted over the last 20 years) will lead to more urban areas being revitalized, since Mexicans and low class Asians won't be able to "prevent" upper class whites and Asians from living in many urban areas. And similar to how Ellis Island and Scots-Irish whites once were able to hold onto a fair amount of territory by not taking shit from blacks (in the 1940's-1970's) after WASPs had vacated, we can expect Asians and Mexicans not to back down, either.

    *This country could go completely down the tubes, fall into ruin, de-population etc. It's not out of the question, and plenty of once great civilizations have fallen into decadence/demographic chaos and never recovered.
    , @iffen
    What the US is becoming now is simply not viable.

    O ye of little faith.
  64. @Feryl
    It's because the Teutonic world (which encompasses the entire anglo-sphere, Scandinavia, Germany, the Netherlands, and so forth) carries the baggage of Nazism. We must continue to punish ourselves for allowing the Third Reich to rise to power.

    As others have suggested, it's only when the Teutonic world has been defeated (via demographic conquest, inept leadership, or collapsing under the weight of neo-liberal excess) that we can finally eliminate the epic levels of white guilt which is pounded into us day after day, non-stop.

    Are we sure the legacy of Nazism won’t continue to be blamed even after the Teutonic world exists only in the history books? They still blame the legacy of colonialism in countries like Zimbabwe, after all.

    • Replies: @216
    It may serve to be on the lookout for neo-Lamarckian claims of "epigenetic trauma" from the legacy of slavery, colonialism, Holocaust, etc.

    Ordinarily I am heartened to see any Lamarckian feedback, if only to see the smugness wiped off the face of the Dawkins' of the world. But alongside "environmental racism" via global warming, this could provide the "science" to justify reparations to even a social conservative audience.
    , @Feryl
    It's whites themselves who've promulgated all this crap, and they'll get tired of it when they start to have to learn basic skills again (like how to manufacture and build stuff, fix stuff, and grow food), rather than being able to make bi-weekly trips to Wal-Mart for eternity.
    , @SunBakedSuburb
    Whites will continue to be blamed for the woes of the world for at least another two generations, or until the whiteness virus has been bred out (isn't that the purpose of the black and brown migration flows into western Europe and North America?). Our ghosts, wandering the ruins, will also be blamed.
  65. @Feryl
    In the Obama and Trump era, immigration restriction has come to be seen as "racist". It's possible that poll respondents, for the last 10 years, are simply stating what they believe to be the socially acceptable opinion., rather than being fully sincere.

    The terror of PC, which has really only emerged during this period, is I think both a cause and effect of the growing mental distress that Americans seem to be laboring under. Under GW Bush, it was ok to talk crap about Muslims. But we've lost our perspective, and our sense of humor, since Obama was elected.

    Mass murders have been much worse this decade, compared to previous decades. Perhaps the entire Western world is beginning a descent into a period of ignorance and superstition, that may take a long time to play out. Suicide among white American has increased a great deal, suggesting that many people no longer have faith in the notion of a brighter future.

    Then again, Russia's notorious 90's proved to be a blip, which they've since recovered from. Perhaps we just need a better leader, and a few key reforms, to help us get back on track. Who knows?

    One good thing: We are not resigned to being passive spectators–at least for now.

  66. @Audacious Epigone
    In an era when so little wealth comes directly from land ownership, why should we want a global empire, American or otherwise? I want the exact opposite--as much localism as possible. But we're probably getting that global empire one way or another, the blips of resistance that are Brexit, Trump, Salvini, etc notwithstanding.

    The localism that seems the strongest is NIMBYism, rooted in protection of property values and scenic vistas. Anti-gentrification is also strong, but runs into the problem that it is a movement of tenants against landlords.

    This kind of localism isn’t subjected to academics applying the Adorno thesis onto its participants, and its also urban in nature.

    There is little in it for elites to feel protective of their co-ethnics. Elites tend to attend the same universities, which have Japan-like immigration policies when it comes to admission. US Ivies outright operate on hereditarianism.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani

    The localism that seems the strongest is NIMBYism, rooted in protection of property values and scenic vistas.
     
    which is good.

    Anti-gentrification is also strong, but runs into the problem that it is a movement of tenants against landlords.
     
    which is awful because it is very Negroid and mestizo.

    There is little in it for elites to feel protective of their co-ethnics. Elites tend to attend the same universities, which have Japan-like immigration policies when it comes to admission. US Ivies outright operate on hereditarianism.
     
    What you described is exactly how the elites in empires behave. They cooperate with elites from different regions & tribes against all proles.
  67. @Audacious Epigone
    Blacks are the least likely (according to the GSS) to say "life has no purpose" and also the least likely to suffer from poor mental health. They are probably the least likely to intentionally want to just see the world burn, even if their behaviors seem to suggest otherwise.

    Talking about a race war is masturbatory fantasy. Good thing that it is fantasy, too, because war is hell for virtually everyone involved. The real war is of the womb and of migration. Populations will live and die based on those two things more than anything else.

    Blacks are the least likely (according to the GSS) to say “life has no purpose” and also the least likely to suffer from poor mental health. They are probably the least likely to intentionally want to just see the world burn, even if their behaviors seem to suggest otherwise.

    What blacks want does not matter. I honestly can not understand them at all. Instead what matters is what they do. They say that they want to exterminate whites. They commit a lot of crimes including interracial crimes. Regardless of whether they actually want a race war they are causing one.

    Talking about a race war is masturbatory fantasy. Good thing that it is fantasy, too, because war is hell for virtually everyone involved.

    Tell that to Bedouins or ancient Assyrians, Romans, Huns, Mongols…. Nope. If you guys give up the world it will belong to the next group that have what it takes to take them, Middle Eastern Muslims. That’s just how the universe works. They alone have the combination of civilization, TFR and uncuckedness now.

    The real war is of the womb and of migration. Populations will live and die based on those two things more than anything else.

    That’s definitely a part of it assuming that there is no hot war.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Very few blacks say they want to exterminate whites. Yes, the percentage is almost certainly higher than the percentages of whites who say they want to exterminate blacks (or any other group), but it's still very small.
  68. @Charles Pewitt
    Marine Le Pen ditched the name of her party National Front and changed it to the National Rally.

    Macron and his Rothschild minders and handlers cooked up On The March or something as a political party name.

    The Republican Party must be extinguished and a new political party named White Core America must take its place.

    Trump the mass legal immigration extremist will kill the Republican Party and that's a good thing. Shelly Adelson and Paul Singer and the Koch Boys and the GOP Cheap Labor Faction will be told to join the Democrat Party or to go to Hell.

    As a rhetorical device, it's nice to suggest movement or motion in political language, so, maybe White Core America Rising or something similar can be cooked up.

    The name “White Core America” will be even less successful than the Constitution Party is, I think.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    My suggestion is that you guys actually do it. Combine hardcore WN with Social Darwinism and do not make it exclusively either Christian, Neo-pagan or Atheist. The surge of WN is partly caused by secularization of white social rightists who begin to reject the idea of an multiracial global Christian community after rejecting Christianity. Let it continue.
    , @Oblivionrecurs
    People massively underestimate how set in stone the two party preference is, even among declared non-partisans/indies
  69. @Audacious Epigone
    Are we sure the legacy of Nazism won't continue to be blamed even after the Teutonic world exists only in the history books? They still blame the legacy of colonialism in countries like Zimbabwe, after all.

    It may serve to be on the lookout for neo-Lamarckian claims of “epigenetic trauma” from the legacy of slavery, colonialism, Holocaust, etc.

    Ordinarily I am heartened to see any Lamarckian feedback, if only to see the smugness wiped off the face of the Dawkins’ of the world. But alongside “environmental racism” via global warming, this could provide the “science” to justify reparations to even a social conservative audience.

  70. @216
    The localism that seems the strongest is NIMBYism, rooted in protection of property values and scenic vistas. Anti-gentrification is also strong, but runs into the problem that it is a movement of tenants against landlords.

    This kind of localism isn't subjected to academics applying the Adorno thesis onto its participants, and its also urban in nature.

    There is little in it for elites to feel protective of their co-ethnics. Elites tend to attend the same universities, which have Japan-like immigration policies when it comes to admission. US Ivies outright operate on hereditarianism.

    The localism that seems the strongest is NIMBYism, rooted in protection of property values and scenic vistas.

    which is good.

    Anti-gentrification is also strong, but runs into the problem that it is a movement of tenants against landlords.

    which is awful because it is very Negroid and mestizo.

    There is little in it for elites to feel protective of their co-ethnics. Elites tend to attend the same universities, which have Japan-like immigration policies when it comes to admission. US Ivies outright operate on hereditarianism.

    What you described is exactly how the elites in empires behave. They cooperate with elites from different regions & tribes against all proles.

  71. @Audacious Epigone
    The name "White Core America" will be even less successful than the Constitution Party is, I think.

    My suggestion is that you guys actually do it. Combine hardcore WN with Social Darwinism and do not make it exclusively either Christian, Neo-pagan or Atheist. The surge of WN is partly caused by secularization of white social rightists who begin to reject the idea of an multiracial global Christian community after rejecting Christianity. Let it continue.

    • Replies: @216
    I'd rather join DSA than such a trainwreck.
    , @Feryl
    The "multi-racial" school of thought started with GIs and Silents who didn't want the horrors of excessive ethno-nationalism to ever return, after WW1 and WW2. Dreams of racial integration then got even more goofy and excessive with Boomers, who don't even understand that humans tend to align along ethnic lines and do battle (since after WW2, it was thought that the Nazis had totally discredited ethno-nationalism among whites for the rest of history). X-ers and Millennials are more likely to conform to the PC standard, because older generations made talk of racial differences/separatism taboo. But yeah, using religion to try and bind humanity together ain't gonna work, since differences in terms of region, race, etc. are too big to overcome. It was a comforting idea back in the 50's and 60's, when anything seemed possible, but that's not how most people feel nowadays.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    I am not a white nationalist. Vanishingly few white people even have the gumption to where an "it's okay to be white" shirt out in public. The idea that there will be a large group of whites spearheading something like what you're talking about is so insane that I wonder if you're not a troll.
  72. @EastKekistani
    My suggestion is that you guys actually do it. Combine hardcore WN with Social Darwinism and do not make it exclusively either Christian, Neo-pagan or Atheist. The surge of WN is partly caused by secularization of white social rightists who begin to reject the idea of an multiracial global Christian community after rejecting Christianity. Let it continue.

    I’d rather join DSA than such a trainwreck.

  73. @EastKekistani
    Yeah. Pollution and other kinds of the remaining Third World-like shit in China are going to be history as long as China doesn't get terminally destroyed by WWIII or Third World migrants from SEA or Africa.

    I have to admire the Chinese program of replacing coal-burning space heaters with 4oo megawatt “swimming pool” reactors feeding hot water to radiators.  Stone-ax simple, cheap, very fast to build, cleans up the air and probably costs less.

    That’s the kind of thing that the US and Canada could build, once.  Canada actually had a reactor called the Slowpoke which was intended to heat individual buildings, like apartment blocks.  Sadly, it went nowhere.

    • Replies: @Oblivionrecurs
    The fucking anti-Nixon solar hippies ruined his nuclear plan and in turn fucked up any delays in emissions. Coulda basically solved this issue decades ago

    Ugh but perhaps its because i was raised Republican and Republicans are significantly closer to scientist on support for nuclear than the Democrats
  74. @Audacious Epigone
    Are we sure the legacy of Nazism won't continue to be blamed even after the Teutonic world exists only in the history books? They still blame the legacy of colonialism in countries like Zimbabwe, after all.

    It’s whites themselves who’ve promulgated all this crap, and they’ll get tired of it when they start to have to learn basic skills again (like how to manufacture and build stuff, fix stuff, and grow food), rather than being able to make bi-weekly trips to Wal-Mart for eternity.

  75. @EastKekistani
    My suggestion is that you guys actually do it. Combine hardcore WN with Social Darwinism and do not make it exclusively either Christian, Neo-pagan or Atheist. The surge of WN is partly caused by secularization of white social rightists who begin to reject the idea of an multiracial global Christian community after rejecting Christianity. Let it continue.

    The “multi-racial” school of thought started with GIs and Silents who didn’t want the horrors of excessive ethno-nationalism to ever return, after WW1 and WW2. Dreams of racial integration then got even more goofy and excessive with Boomers, who don’t even understand that humans tend to align along ethnic lines and do battle (since after WW2, it was thought that the Nazis had totally discredited ethno-nationalism among whites for the rest of history). X-ers and Millennials are more likely to conform to the PC standard, because older generations made talk of racial differences/separatism taboo. But yeah, using religion to try and bind humanity together ain’t gonna work, since differences in terms of region, race, etc. are too big to overcome. It was a comforting idea back in the 50’s and 60’s, when anything seemed possible, but that’s not how most people feel nowadays.

  76. @Anatoly Karlin
    I am indeed often bewildered by how whites are buying more and more into black grievances even as African-American privilege becomes more and more blatant with every passing year.

    I wonder if there will be a new peak of structural racism once Commissar Kamala launches her reparations plan, or whether sanity will reassert itself one day.

    Thought this poll was interesting too, collapse in support for Israel amongst young Republicans and Democrats.
     
    The one nice thing about La Raza Cosmica America is that there aren't too many nutjob Latinos obsessed with accelerating the Rapture.

    US Hispanization might be good for the world at large, if not so good for the US itself.

    I am indeed often bewildered by how whites are buying more and more into black grievances even as African-American privilege becomes more and more blatant with every passing year.

    media lies.

    i imagine these numbers vary regionally i.e. the whitest parts are the most gas-lit by the media.

    • Replies: @216
    Black visibility has increased in mainstream and social media.

    If you've ever crossed paths with "Black Twitter" you'll understand.

    Conservatism Inc. refuses to shame BlackHate (tm)

  77. @L Woods
    There is no way to explain this phenomenon save collective insanity. Call it simplistic, pejorative or hyperbolic, but there's simply no accounting for it otherwise. The only thing more striking than this frenzied descent into self-destruction is the abject moral cowardice of conservatives, who are themselves unmistakably acquiescing to this madness.

    Still, paradoxically, this leads me to believe the mad crowd may have a point. Perhaps America as we knew it does need to be well and truly buried in order to commence the next stage in societal evolution. The status quo, certainly, is neither sustainable nor desirable.

    There is no way to explain this phenomenon save collective insanity. Call it simplistic, pejorative or hyperbolic, but there’s simply no accounting for it otherwise.

    it’s very simple – the media lie to them.

  78. @L Woods
    White America has decided that it will commit suicide -- all of it. Its remaining energies are devoted to policing with utmost harshness any defectors attempting to toss their poisoned kool aid into a potted plant.

    White America has decided that it will commit suicide

    no the media decided to manipulate white America into committing suicide.

    • Agree: Hail
    • Replies: @216
    Wake us up when the ordinary conservative stops going to movies, cuts the cable cord, and boycotts with even one-quarter of the efficacy that leftists accomplish.
  79. @Audacious Epigone
    One thing we can do is stop adding more volatile ethnic ingredients to the mix. A biracial country where the majority had to perpetually give to the minority for various reasons was a viable one. Maybe not optimal, but viable. What the US is becoming now is simply not viable.

    Allowing your country to be constantly over-run by aliens is going to eventually destroy the established culture of that country. It’s happened, time and time again, throughout history. America took on greater and greater varieties of newcomers from the time of it’s founding through the Ellis Island days, but eventually we were under such strain to accommodate them that we slammed the door for about 40 years (roughly 1930-1970).

    However, whenever the authorities finally decide that enough is enough* and we stabilize our demographics, we will have to begin the rebuilding process, just as we did in the 1930’s-1950’s. Similar to how the America of the 1950’s inevitably reflected the character of the Jews and Catholics who’d only been coming here since the 1880’s, the America of the 2050’s is going to reflect a now established population of Asians and Mexicans. For better of for worse.

    The likely reduced population of legacy American blacks (whose birthrates have plummeted over the last 20 years) will lead to more urban areas being revitalized, since Mexicans and low class Asians won’t be able to “prevent” upper class whites and Asians from living in many urban areas. And similar to how Ellis Island and Scots-Irish whites once were able to hold onto a fair amount of territory by not taking shit from blacks (in the 1940’s-1970’s) after WASPs had vacated, we can expect Asians and Mexicans not to back down, either.

    *This country could go completely down the tubes, fall into ruin, de-population etc. It’s not out of the question, and plenty of once great civilizations have fallen into decadence/demographic chaos and never recovered.

    • Replies: @216

    *This country could go completely down the tubes, fall into ruin, de-population etc. It’s not out of the question, and plenty of once great civilizations have fallen into decadence/demographic chaos and never recovered.
     
    Neoliberal dogma insists that the US will be the most vibrant at 2050, as Chinese population peaks and begins declining. The EU and Japan will have consecutive "lost decades" until they accept the inevitability of Third Worldization. Most Latin American countries will presumably have population decline at that point.

    What clashes with this is the oncoming automation revolution, and global warming driven reductions in economic growth. How exactly are First World economies supposed to consume endless numbers of Third World coolies?

    The current decade has been, excepting Libya, about as good as it has ever been in the post-colonial period of Africa. Will that continue in the 2020s, or backslide?
  80. @notanon

    I am indeed often bewildered by how whites are buying more and more into black grievances even as African-American privilege becomes more and more blatant with every passing year.
     
    media lies.

    i imagine these numbers vary regionally i.e. the whitest parts are the most gas-lit by the media.

    Black visibility has increased in mainstream and social media.

    If you’ve ever crossed paths with “Black Twitter” you’ll understand.

    Conservatism Inc. refuses to shame BlackHate ™

    • Replies: @notanon
    black twitter vs CNN/NBC/MSNBC/CBS/NYT etc
  81. @Audacious Epigone
    One thing we can do is stop adding more volatile ethnic ingredients to the mix. A biracial country where the majority had to perpetually give to the minority for various reasons was a viable one. Maybe not optimal, but viable. What the US is becoming now is simply not viable.

    What the US is becoming now is simply not viable.

    O ye of little faith.

  82. @Audacious Epigone
    Blacks are the least likely (according to the GSS) to say "life has no purpose" and also the least likely to suffer from poor mental health. They are probably the least likely to intentionally want to just see the world burn, even if their behaviors seem to suggest otherwise.

    Talking about a race war is masturbatory fantasy. Good thing that it is fantasy, too, because war is hell for virtually everyone involved. The real war is of the womb and of migration. Populations will live and die based on those two things more than anything else.

    Talking about a race war is masturbatory fantasy.

    the media will increasingly incite it as the white percentage of the population declines.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Why? Isn't that tantamount to throwing a rock at a hornet's nest that you've already laced with insecticide?
  83. @notanon

    White America has decided that it will commit suicide
     
    no the media decided to manipulate white America into committing suicide.

    Wake us up when the ordinary conservative stops going to movies, cuts the cable cord, and boycotts with even one-quarter of the efficacy that leftists accomplish.

    • Replies: @notanon
    the primary driver of what's happening is the active malice of the media.

    "trusting the msm" is technically the same as "decided to commit suicide" but it misses the critical component.
    , @Feryl
    They could start by boycotting Amazon, for example, but I'm often struck by how resolutely opposed most "conservatives" are to company boycotts*. Is it the whole "free market" BS (even when obvious cronyism exists?).

    I come from a liberal background, and grew up hearing about how terrible NAFTA was, how Wal-Mart lied in the 90's about how much Chinese crap they were selling, and so forth. I don't shop at Wal-Mart or Amazon, unless I absolutely can't find a particular item anywhere else.

    *The kneeling NFL'ers is the exception that proves the rule, since the whole thing turned into such a flap that even Boomerdads couldn't ignore how cowardly the NFL was acting about player discipline.

    I like to shop at smaller stores, and buy locally sourced stuff.

    Every "conservative" whines that liberals don't have principles, don't exert effort, etc. Well ok, so then what are you Righties doing to put treasonous companies out of business? Then again, conservatives have a blind spot about only getting angry and excited by the most blatantly offensive things (like violent crime, or a disease carrying person transmitting to others), but tend to look past more minor transgressions (like Wal-Mart telling it's customers to go fuck themselves by placing people's items in the thinnest possible plastic bags).

    But, hey, since Carter/Reagan America has exerted much effort into putting millions of people behind bars, while all sorts of dysfunction/decay (such as worse mental health, loss of manufacturing jobs, worse manners, declining religious faith) has been permitted to get worse and worse.

  84. @Audacious Epigone
    Blacks are the least likely (according to the GSS) to say "life has no purpose" and also the least likely to suffer from poor mental health. They are probably the least likely to intentionally want to just see the world burn, even if their behaviors seem to suggest otherwise.

    Talking about a race war is masturbatory fantasy. Good thing that it is fantasy, too, because war is hell for virtually everyone involved. The real war is of the womb and of migration. Populations will live and die based on those two things more than anything else.

    Consider the source. Blacks often are full of baloney, and genuine psychiatric research says that they tend to be mentally unstable. But they do have upbeat personalities, which stops them from committing suicide like other races do.

    It’s not always clear what they “want”, although the frequent episodes of excusing black criminals ought to make clear that public safety isn’t high on the list of priorities. And they often make delusional and paranoid claims that white authorities (or civilian onlookers) are subjecting them to undue surveillance and harassment (whereas today’s white population could plausibly complain that police and government are unfairly hostile towards them) .

    One thing that we ought to keep in mind too is that sub-Saharan blacks often have the equatorial “jolly warrior” personality. They can be fun and charming at times, but can also unpredictably (and frighteningly) lapse into volatile and violent behavior. Of course, we all know some white people like this, but they stand out because they are fairly unusual among whites.

    In the current distressed climate, a lot of alienated and depressed whites do have very destructive fantasies, I’ll give you that.

  85. @216
    Black visibility has increased in mainstream and social media.

    If you've ever crossed paths with "Black Twitter" you'll understand.

    Conservatism Inc. refuses to shame BlackHate (tm)

    black twitter vs CNN/NBC/MSNBC/CBS/NYT etc

    • Replies: @216
    All of those media outlets have a much larger black presence today than 10 years ago.

    There's a whole "black media ecosystem" like the Root that most of us never encounter. It's far more developed than Breitbart or the Daily Caller.
  86. @Feryl
    Allowing your country to be constantly over-run by aliens is going to eventually destroy the established culture of that country. It's happened, time and time again, throughout history. America took on greater and greater varieties of newcomers from the time of it's founding through the Ellis Island days, but eventually we were under such strain to accommodate them that we slammed the door for about 40 years (roughly 1930-1970).

    However, whenever the authorities finally decide that enough is enough* and we stabilize our demographics, we will have to begin the rebuilding process, just as we did in the 1930's-1950's. Similar to how the America of the 1950's inevitably reflected the character of the Jews and Catholics who'd only been coming here since the 1880's, the America of the 2050's is going to reflect a now established population of Asians and Mexicans. For better of for worse.

    The likely reduced population of legacy American blacks (whose birthrates have plummeted over the last 20 years) will lead to more urban areas being revitalized, since Mexicans and low class Asians won't be able to "prevent" upper class whites and Asians from living in many urban areas. And similar to how Ellis Island and Scots-Irish whites once were able to hold onto a fair amount of territory by not taking shit from blacks (in the 1940's-1970's) after WASPs had vacated, we can expect Asians and Mexicans not to back down, either.

    *This country could go completely down the tubes, fall into ruin, de-population etc. It's not out of the question, and plenty of once great civilizations have fallen into decadence/demographic chaos and never recovered.

    *This country could go completely down the tubes, fall into ruin, de-population etc. It’s not out of the question, and plenty of once great civilizations have fallen into decadence/demographic chaos and never recovered.

    Neoliberal dogma insists that the US will be the most vibrant at 2050, as Chinese population peaks and begins declining. The EU and Japan will have consecutive “lost decades” until they accept the inevitability of Third Worldization. Most Latin American countries will presumably have population decline at that point.

    What clashes with this is the oncoming automation revolution, and global warming driven reductions in economic growth. How exactly are First World economies supposed to consume endless numbers of Third World coolies?

    The current decade has been, excepting Libya, about as good as it has ever been in the post-colonial period of Africa. Will that continue in the 2020s, or backslide?

    • Replies: @Oblivionrecurs
    The future certainty relies on the African continents industrialisation though, considering that they'll be nearly 5 billion people strong by 2100. The optimistic IMF reports are six of the world's fastest growing economies are in Africa

    But the optimism stops there as Africa is significantly behind

    "Growth has accelerated in a wide range of developing countries over the last couple of decades, resulting in an extraordinary period of convergence with the advanced economies. We analyze this experience from the lens of structural change – the reallocation of labor from low- to high-productivity sectors. Patterns of structural change differ greatly in the recent growth experience. In contrast to the East Asian experience, none of the recent growth accelerations in Latin America, Africa, or South Asia was driven by rapid industrialization. Beyond that, we document that recent growth accelerations were based on either rapid within-sector labor productivity growth (Latin America) or growth-increasing structural change (Africa), but rarely both at the same time. The African experience is particularly intriguing, as growth-enhancing structural change appears to have come typically at the expense of declining labor productivity growth in the more modern sectors of the economy. We explain this anomaly by arguing that the forces that promoted structural change in Africa originated on the demand side, through either external transfers or increase in agricultural incomes. In contrast to Asia, structural change was the result of increased demand for goods and services produced in the modern sectors of the economy rather than productivity improvements in these sectors
  87. @notanon
    black twitter vs CNN/NBC/MSNBC/CBS/NYT etc

    All of those media outlets have a much larger black presence today than 10 years ago.

    There’s a whole “black media ecosystem” like the Root that most of us never encounter. It’s far more developed than Breitbart or the Daily Caller.

  88. @216
    Wake us up when the ordinary conservative stops going to movies, cuts the cable cord, and boycotts with even one-quarter of the efficacy that leftists accomplish.

    the primary driver of what’s happening is the active malice of the media.

    “trusting the msm” is technically the same as “decided to commit suicide” but it misses the critical component.

    • Replies: @216
    The problem with your logic is that it is conspiracy-seeking. That isn't to deny the existence of conspiracies, or to argue against conspiracism of which I am a supporter of. The problem is that it denies moral agency, and asserts that a few Megaphone owners are the only people with agency.

    Media skepticism is not only a far-right pastime. Indeed, leftists including noted Cultural Marxists have produced deeper criticism of what they call the "corporate media" (a term we should use). We primary target malicious conspiratorial journalists, instead of targeting profit seeking media executives.

    The media has certain weaknesses in the US, as it lacks a large state funded broadcaster. Dependence on ad revenue has been the Achilles Heel that brought down Bill O'Reilly and Glenn Beck. But even in countries with a state broadcaster, there are typically ways to avoid paying (the UK TV licence is voluntary, you don't need a TV).
    , @Mr. Rational
  89. @216
    Wake us up when the ordinary conservative stops going to movies, cuts the cable cord, and boycotts with even one-quarter of the efficacy that leftists accomplish.

    They could start by boycotting Amazon, for example, but I’m often struck by how resolutely opposed most “conservatives” are to company boycotts*. Is it the whole “free market” BS (even when obvious cronyism exists?).

    I come from a liberal background, and grew up hearing about how terrible NAFTA was, how Wal-Mart lied in the 90’s about how much Chinese crap they were selling, and so forth. I don’t shop at Wal-Mart or Amazon, unless I absolutely can’t find a particular item anywhere else.

    *The kneeling NFL’ers is the exception that proves the rule, since the whole thing turned into such a flap that even Boomerdads couldn’t ignore how cowardly the NFL was acting about player discipline.

    I like to shop at smaller stores, and buy locally sourced stuff.

    Every “conservative” whines that liberals don’t have principles, don’t exert effort, etc. Well ok, so then what are you Righties doing to put treasonous companies out of business? Then again, conservatives have a blind spot about only getting angry and excited by the most blatantly offensive things (like violent crime, or a disease carrying person transmitting to others), but tend to look past more minor transgressions (like Wal-Mart telling it’s customers to go fuck themselves by placing people’s items in the thinnest possible plastic bags).

    But, hey, since Carter/Reagan America has exerted much effort into putting millions of people behind bars, while all sorts of dysfunction/decay (such as worse mental health, loss of manufacturing jobs, worse manners, declining religious faith) has been permitted to get worse and worse.

    • Replies: @216

    *The kneeling NFL’ers is the exception that proves the rule, since the whole thing turned into such a flap that even Boomerdads couldn’t ignore how cowardly the NFL was acting about player discipline.
     
    Conservatives were angry at the symbol of what the players were boycotting, they were also acting in support of the President (whom they thought had called for a boycott). But most Breitbart writers had a narrative that argued that the players should protest for BLM off of the clock, and not disrespect the civic religion. The right also engaged in a fruitless epicycle of denying racial motivations, even to the point of accusing the players of being "Anti-American" rather than "Anti-White".

    Paul Kersey noted how an MLB backup catcher was blacklisted for being publicly anti-BLM. Breitbart never touched that to my knowledge.

    The boycott also petered out when Goodell bribed the players, twisting the arms of the remainder. GOP megadonor Phil Knight the sweatshop boi also kicked in tens of millions of dollars to Kapernick. One humorous anecdote was when Kanye West offered to broker a meeting between Kapernick and Trump. He should have done that.

    They could start by boycotting Amazon, for example, but I’m often struck by how resolutely opposed most “conservatives” are to company boycotts
     
    The amazing thing is how recently it was that red states were giving tax breaks to Amazon for building warehouses.
  90. @Feryl
    Resentment toward new comers on both economic and cultural grounds continued to rise until the 1930's, at which point we stopped permitting new arrivals and really stepped up pressure on Ellis Islanders to conform to American culture.

    Peter Turchin et al have all done extensive research on how several decades of high immigration typically precede periods of popular discontent and intense debates over politics, economics, and culture.

    There has never been, and never will be, a period where immigrants "blend" in smoothly with the natives. Usually, the higher the immigration levels, the more corrupt our elites are. And the more pissed off the public will get.

    A lot of Reaganite cucks blow smoke about older eras of immgration being better, to try and ward off the (New Deal era) mindset that limiting the entry of cheap labor is necessary to insure the well-being of the working class.

    I don’t know about immigration, but bogradus scale of social distance study does show anti-black resentment for whites was significantly higher in 1946 vs 1928, but in 1958 it was at its lowest point. Economy plays a big role.

    Southern anti-migrant attitudes tested higher to those that had a massive perceived threat i.e Russians, Japanese, and Blacks. They tested high for preference for Greeks, Turks, Chinese, and Hindus at the time.

  91. @LondonBob
    There could be the perception, created by the media, that immigration is being sharply dealt with by the Trump administration, when largely efforts have been stymied here. A similar phenomenon has happened here after the Brexit vote. Of course I am rightly very distrustful of such polls, who commissioned them, methodology and how the question is framed etc.

    https://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Younger-Republicans-are-less-supportive-of-Israel-poll-finds-587810

    Thought this poll was interesting too, collapse in support for Israel amongst young Republicans and Democrats.

    This is truly good news, people always talk about wanting “bipartisanship” for America, when it reality it already exists for Israel. It would be nice if the bipartisanship came about from different political leanings on getting rid of Israel.

  92. @notanon
    the primary driver of what's happening is the active malice of the media.

    "trusting the msm" is technically the same as "decided to commit suicide" but it misses the critical component.

    The problem with your logic is that it is conspiracy-seeking. That isn’t to deny the existence of conspiracies, or to argue against conspiracism of which I am a supporter of. The problem is that it denies moral agency, and asserts that a few Megaphone owners are the only people with agency.

    Media skepticism is not only a far-right pastime. Indeed, leftists including noted Cultural Marxists have produced deeper criticism of what they call the “corporate media” (a term we should use). We primary target malicious conspiratorial journalists, instead of targeting profit seeking media executives.

    The media has certain weaknesses in the US, as it lacks a large state funded broadcaster. Dependence on ad revenue has been the Achilles Heel that brought down Bill O’Reilly and Glenn Beck. But even in countries with a state broadcaster, there are typically ways to avoid paying (the UK TV licence is voluntary, you don’t need a TV).

    • Replies: @notanon

    The problem is that it denies moral agency
     
    yes, pretty much.

    for me if someone acts rationally on the basis of false information then the problem is the false information and the purveyors of that false information.

    for example i know people who absolutely believe the media's narrative over BLM and i don't think their reaction to that narrative is wrong ***if*** the media's narrative was true but it's not. it's a lie.

    similarly i know people who genuinely believe the media's narrative over global warming and again ***if*** it was true i don't think there's anything wrong with their reaction but it's not true. it's a lie.

    etc
  93. @EastKekistani
    Yeah. Pollution and other kinds of the remaining Third World-like shit in China are going to be history as long as China doesn't get terminally destroyed by WWIII or Third World migrants from SEA or Africa.

    if climate change is remotely as bad at projected the Chinese are fucked fam

    Declines of protein and minerals essential for humans, including iron and zinc, have been reported for crops in response to rising atmospheric carbon dioxide concentration, [CO2]. For the current century, estimates of the potential human health impact of these declines range from 138 million to 1.4 billion, depending on the nutrient. However, changes in plant-based vitamin content in response to [CO2] have not been elucidated. Inclusion of vitamin information would substantially improve estimates of health risks. Among crop species, rice is the primary food source for more than 2 billion people. We used multiyear, multilocation in situ FACE (free-air CO2 enrichment) experiments for 18 genetically diverse rice lines, including Japonica, Indica, and hybrids currently grown throughout Asia. We report for the first time the integrated nutritional impact of those changes (protein, micronutrients, and vitamins) for the 10 countries that consume the most rice as part of their daily caloric supply. Whereas our results confirm the declines in protein, iron, and zinc, we also find consistent declines in vitamins B1, B2, B5, and B9 and, conversely, an increase in vitamin E. A strong correlation between the impacts of elevated [CO2] on vitamin content based on the molecular fraction of nitrogen within the vitamin was observed. Finally, potential health risks associated with anticipated CO2-induced deficits of protein, minerals, and vitamins in rice were correlated to the lowest overall gross domestic product per capita for the highest rice-consuming countries, suggesting potential consequences for a global population of approximately 600 million.

  94. @Feryl
    They could start by boycotting Amazon, for example, but I'm often struck by how resolutely opposed most "conservatives" are to company boycotts*. Is it the whole "free market" BS (even when obvious cronyism exists?).

    I come from a liberal background, and grew up hearing about how terrible NAFTA was, how Wal-Mart lied in the 90's about how much Chinese crap they were selling, and so forth. I don't shop at Wal-Mart or Amazon, unless I absolutely can't find a particular item anywhere else.

    *The kneeling NFL'ers is the exception that proves the rule, since the whole thing turned into such a flap that even Boomerdads couldn't ignore how cowardly the NFL was acting about player discipline.

    I like to shop at smaller stores, and buy locally sourced stuff.

    Every "conservative" whines that liberals don't have principles, don't exert effort, etc. Well ok, so then what are you Righties doing to put treasonous companies out of business? Then again, conservatives have a blind spot about only getting angry and excited by the most blatantly offensive things (like violent crime, or a disease carrying person transmitting to others), but tend to look past more minor transgressions (like Wal-Mart telling it's customers to go fuck themselves by placing people's items in the thinnest possible plastic bags).

    But, hey, since Carter/Reagan America has exerted much effort into putting millions of people behind bars, while all sorts of dysfunction/decay (such as worse mental health, loss of manufacturing jobs, worse manners, declining religious faith) has been permitted to get worse and worse.

    *The kneeling NFL’ers is the exception that proves the rule, since the whole thing turned into such a flap that even Boomerdads couldn’t ignore how cowardly the NFL was acting about player discipline.

    Conservatives were angry at the symbol of what the players were boycotting, they were also acting in support of the President (whom they thought had called for a boycott). But most Breitbart writers had a narrative that argued that the players should protest for BLM off of the clock, and not disrespect the civic religion. The right also engaged in a fruitless epicycle of denying racial motivations, even to the point of accusing the players of being “Anti-American” rather than “Anti-White”.

    Paul Kersey noted how an MLB backup catcher was blacklisted for being publicly anti-BLM. Breitbart never touched that to my knowledge.

    The boycott also petered out when Goodell bribed the players, twisting the arms of the remainder. GOP megadonor Phil Knight the sweatshop boi also kicked in tens of millions of dollars to Kapernick. One humorous anecdote was when Kanye West offered to broker a meeting between Kapernick and Trump. He should have done that.

    They could start by boycotting Amazon, for example, but I’m often struck by how resolutely opposed most “conservatives” are to company boycotts

    The amazing thing is how recently it was that red states were giving tax breaks to Amazon for building warehouses.

  95. @Audacious Epigone
    The name "White Core America" will be even less successful than the Constitution Party is, I think.

    People massively underestimate how set in stone the two party preference is, even among declared non-partisans/indies

  96. @216

    *This country could go completely down the tubes, fall into ruin, de-population etc. It’s not out of the question, and plenty of once great civilizations have fallen into decadence/demographic chaos and never recovered.
     
    Neoliberal dogma insists that the US will be the most vibrant at 2050, as Chinese population peaks and begins declining. The EU and Japan will have consecutive "lost decades" until they accept the inevitability of Third Worldization. Most Latin American countries will presumably have population decline at that point.

    What clashes with this is the oncoming automation revolution, and global warming driven reductions in economic growth. How exactly are First World economies supposed to consume endless numbers of Third World coolies?

    The current decade has been, excepting Libya, about as good as it has ever been in the post-colonial period of Africa. Will that continue in the 2020s, or backslide?

    The future certainty relies on the African continents industrialisation though, considering that they’ll be nearly 5 billion people strong by 2100. The optimistic IMF reports are six of the world’s fastest growing economies are in Africa

    But the optimism stops there as Africa is significantly behind

    “Growth has accelerated in a wide range of developing countries over the last couple of decades, resulting in an extraordinary period of convergence with the advanced economies. We analyze this experience from the lens of structural change – the reallocation of labor from low- to high-productivity sectors. Patterns of structural change differ greatly in the recent growth experience. In contrast to the East Asian experience, none of the recent growth accelerations in Latin America, Africa, or South Asia was driven by rapid industrialization. Beyond that, we document that recent growth accelerations were based on either rapid within-sector labor productivity growth (Latin America) or growth-increasing structural change (Africa), but rarely both at the same time. The African experience is particularly intriguing, as growth-enhancing structural change appears to have come typically at the expense of declining labor productivity growth in the more modern sectors of the economy. We explain this anomaly by arguing that the forces that promoted structural change in Africa originated on the demand side, through either external transfers or increase in agricultural incomes. In contrast to Asia, structural change was the result of increased demand for goods and services produced in the modern sectors of the economy rather than productivity improvements in these sectors

    • Replies: @216
    I don't understand how all of those people are going to be fed, unless the Green Sahara becomes a reality. Even after accounting for lab meat, and greater tolerance for insect eating.
  97. @Mr. Rational
    I have to admire the Chinese program of replacing coal-burning space heaters with 4oo megawatt "swimming pool" reactors feeding hot water to radiators.  Stone-ax simple, cheap, very fast to build, cleans up the air and probably costs less.

    That's the kind of thing that the US and Canada could build, once.  Canada actually had a reactor called the Slowpoke which was intended to heat individual buildings, like apartment blocks.  Sadly, it went nowhere.

    The fucking anti-Nixon solar hippies ruined his nuclear plan and in turn fucked up any delays in emissions. Coulda basically solved this issue decades ago

    Ugh but perhaps its because i was raised Republican and Republicans are significantly closer to scientist on support for nuclear than the Democrats

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    You have that wrong.  The hippies were co-opted by the oil companies.  The Sierra Club's original motto was "Atoms Not Dams", but went to the opposite side when (a) they got tons of money from oil interests like Jerry Brown's family (which was big in Indonesia when it was run by generals), and (b) faced competition from anti-nuclear-out-of-the-gate Friends of the Earth which was founded with the help of a multi-hundred-thousand-dollar contribution from ARCO exec Robert O. Anderson.

    Right now the Brown crime family, who have a member on the board of natural-gas company Sempra, is about to close down the only nuclear competition remaining in California and profit immensely thereby.  The hippies, now Greens, are only a front.  That's all they've ever been.
  98. @Oblivionrecurs
    The future certainty relies on the African continents industrialisation though, considering that they'll be nearly 5 billion people strong by 2100. The optimistic IMF reports are six of the world's fastest growing economies are in Africa

    But the optimism stops there as Africa is significantly behind

    "Growth has accelerated in a wide range of developing countries over the last couple of decades, resulting in an extraordinary period of convergence with the advanced economies. We analyze this experience from the lens of structural change – the reallocation of labor from low- to high-productivity sectors. Patterns of structural change differ greatly in the recent growth experience. In contrast to the East Asian experience, none of the recent growth accelerations in Latin America, Africa, or South Asia was driven by rapid industrialization. Beyond that, we document that recent growth accelerations were based on either rapid within-sector labor productivity growth (Latin America) or growth-increasing structural change (Africa), but rarely both at the same time. The African experience is particularly intriguing, as growth-enhancing structural change appears to have come typically at the expense of declining labor productivity growth in the more modern sectors of the economy. We explain this anomaly by arguing that the forces that promoted structural change in Africa originated on the demand side, through either external transfers or increase in agricultural incomes. In contrast to Asia, structural change was the result of increased demand for goods and services produced in the modern sectors of the economy rather than productivity improvements in these sectors

    I don’t understand how all of those people are going to be fed, unless the Green Sahara becomes a reality. Even after accounting for lab meat, and greater tolerance for insect eating.

  99. Blacks and elites perceive demographic ballot-box-stuffing as beneficial. Both groups have high time preference: Blacks because its part of their human ecology and elites because they’re junkies, high on passively receiving network effect wealth while the rest of us shield them from taxation by taxes on our economic activities but also by morbidity and mortality visited on us in military, law enforcement and high risk employment.

    Both believe the burden on us is just even if we’re exterminated through artificial selection pressures, and believe that the demographic ballot-box-stuffing furthers said justice.

    The reality is that their “justice” is excess born of hubris.

    The only question is how long before we do something about the demographic ballot-box-stuffing?

    For the more intelligent among us, the answer is “The 30th” of April, 2019, noon Central Time.

  100. O/T

    Worth noting that Pence never used the word “ISIS” or “Islamist” and assoicated them with evil.

    Here’s a hint: Demographic Subversion is ten times more evil than Anti-Semitism.

  101. @Audacious Epigone
    The percentages not shown are the ones who answered that immigration levels should remain the same.

    Thanks.

  102. @216
    The problem with your logic is that it is conspiracy-seeking. That isn't to deny the existence of conspiracies, or to argue against conspiracism of which I am a supporter of. The problem is that it denies moral agency, and asserts that a few Megaphone owners are the only people with agency.

    Media skepticism is not only a far-right pastime. Indeed, leftists including noted Cultural Marxists have produced deeper criticism of what they call the "corporate media" (a term we should use). We primary target malicious conspiratorial journalists, instead of targeting profit seeking media executives.

    The media has certain weaknesses in the US, as it lacks a large state funded broadcaster. Dependence on ad revenue has been the Achilles Heel that brought down Bill O'Reilly and Glenn Beck. But even in countries with a state broadcaster, there are typically ways to avoid paying (the UK TV licence is voluntary, you don't need a TV).

    The problem is that it denies moral agency

    yes, pretty much.

    for me if someone acts rationally on the basis of false information then the problem is the false information and the purveyors of that false information.

    for example i know people who absolutely believe the media’s narrative over BLM and i don’t think their reaction to that narrative is wrong ***if*** the media’s narrative was true but it’s not. it’s a lie.

    similarly i know people who genuinely believe the media’s narrative over global warming and again ***if*** it was true i don’t think there’s anything wrong with their reaction but it’s not true. it’s a lie.

    etc

    • Replies: @216
    For example:

    In high school I believed the slick Al Jazeera propaganda that the rebels in Libya wanted a "secular democracy". Did contrary information exist, yes. But I dismissed it and supported the bombing of Libya.

    I had valid concerns about a future war with Iran, I didn't want to be drafted to fight in. I had the belief that these protests for democracy in the Arab countries would lead to a renewed uprising in Iran.

    Did I have agency here? I think so. And I, and many others made the wrong decision.
  103. @Mark G.
    The changes in amounts of support for immigration restriction can be explained by looking at it in terms of a leave us alone coalition versus a takings coalition. Immigrants receive more in welfare benefits than they pay in taxes. A lot of these benefits flow to their children but the immigrant parents benefit too because any money they don't have to spend on their children because of the benefits received they can then spend on themselves. So immigrants are part of the takings coalition. Blacks also receive more from government than they pay in taxes. They are also part of the takings coalition. Some immigration restriction supporters have tried to convince blacks they'll get more welfare if they don't have to share it with immigrants but that hasn't worked. Blacks see immigrants as coalition partners in plundering the productive members of society. In the case of whites, most of them were formerly part of the leave us alone coalition but increasing numbers are joining the takings coalition. This would include single moms on welfare, brainwashed graduates of liberal dominated colleges and various other white subgroups that are increasing in size. As more whites join the takings coalition white support for increased immigration grows. The takings coalition is now a majority of the population which explains why we have a 22 trillion dollar national debt that is increasing by another trillion dollars every year.

    The issue I have with that interpretation is that one white subgroup that is moving *more* towards the “takings coalition” are highly-educated, high-earning SWPLs.

    Is it the Northam/Biden syndrome, where to stay in the good graces of the coalition (for now), one must double down on attacking badwhites?

    • Replies: @Mark G.
    What you said would be true. Part of it is inter-white rivalry where goodwhites are showing their moral superiority over badwhites by taking the side of nonwhites. Part of it is throwing the baby out of the sleigh hoping the wolves stop to eat it and thus stop chasing you. Part of it is imbibing liberal ideas as they go through college. Many highly educated high earning whites are actually part of the takings coalition. For example, highly paid white college professors are liberal partly because higher education is heavily subsidized by government. They aren't making their money from a free market economy. Government sector workers have higher average wages than private sector workers but their high pay won't cause them to be part of the leave it alone coalition because their high income comes from government wealth transfers. It is not a matter so much of size of income as it is of whether the income is being made in the free market economy.
  104. @EastKekistani

    Blacks are the least likely (according to the GSS) to say “life has no purpose” and also the least likely to suffer from poor mental health. They are probably the least likely to intentionally want to just see the world burn, even if their behaviors seem to suggest otherwise.
     
    What blacks want does not matter. I honestly can not understand them at all. Instead what matters is what they do. They say that they want to exterminate whites. They commit a lot of crimes including interracial crimes. Regardless of whether they actually want a race war they are causing one.

    Talking about a race war is masturbatory fantasy. Good thing that it is fantasy, too, because war is hell for virtually everyone involved.
     
    Tell that to Bedouins or ancient Assyrians, Romans, Huns, Mongols.... Nope. If you guys give up the world it will belong to the next group that have what it takes to take them, Middle Eastern Muslims. That's just how the universe works. They alone have the combination of civilization, TFR and uncuckedness now.

    The real war is of the womb and of migration. Populations will live and die based on those two things more than anything else.
     
    That's definitely a part of it assuming that there is no hot war.

    Very few blacks say they want to exterminate whites. Yes, the percentage is almost certainly higher than the percentages of whites who say they want to exterminate blacks (or any other group), but it’s still very small.

    • Replies: @notanon

    Very few blacks say they want to exterminate whites.
     
    true but on the other hand the percentage who will cheer on a white kid getting smashed to a pulp at school is very high.

    they don't need to want to exterminate white people - all that's needed is people who want to make white kids a minority in every school.

    nature will take it's course.
  105. @Audacious Epigone
    This is one reason I'm skeptical of the cycles of history approach. It is hard to imagine the geographical US being in some part of a socio-political cycle when an earlier part of that cycle that happened in, say, the 1960s, happened to an almost unrecognizably different demographic group. It happened in the same geographical area but not to the same people.

    Yeah, that sounds like Fourth Turning talk, A.E., if I’m not mistaken. Strauss and Howe wrote at the beginning of the books (Generations was their 1st one) that everything involved in their long analysis of every cohort in every generation during every part of each 4-part cycle was based on the English, and then American peoples.

    BTW, thank you for checking out my blog – the bit on reparations doesn’t sound serious, but I’d put all my money on it. It’s a pretty good bet that there are no former American slaves and slave owners alive today. Go ahead, Blue Squad, call my bluff.

  106. @EastKekistani
    My suggestion is that you guys actually do it. Combine hardcore WN with Social Darwinism and do not make it exclusively either Christian, Neo-pagan or Atheist. The surge of WN is partly caused by secularization of white social rightists who begin to reject the idea of an multiracial global Christian community after rejecting Christianity. Let it continue.

    I am not a white nationalist. Vanishingly few white people even have the gumption to where an “it’s okay to be white” shirt out in public. The idea that there will be a large group of whites spearheading something like what you’re talking about is so insane that I wonder if you’re not a troll.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani

    I am not a white nationalist. Vanishingly few white people even have the gumption to where an “it’s okay to be white” shirt out in public. The idea that there will be a large group of whites spearheading something like what you’re talking about is so insane that I wonder if you’re not a troll.
     
    Social trends can easily change simply because most people are conformists who do not truly care about any ideology but just go with the crowd.

    Do you really think social attitudes about race changed really rapidly from 1955 to 1975? Or maybe what really happened is that a group of people managed to move the society from the old consensus to the new consensus..
    , @Talha
    And then there’s guys like this:
    https://heavy.com/news/2019/04/john-earnest/?sfns=mo

    Interesting thing about this guy; he cited God quite a bit - unusual.

    His words, if reported correctly are along the lines of what I have seen coming out of some online guys on the alt-right forums including this one. It would be nice to know the exact percentages (is this trend growing or not), but I doubt that’s something you could simply poll.

    Peace.

  107. @Audacious Epigone
    Blacks are the least likely (according to the GSS) to say "life has no purpose" and also the least likely to suffer from poor mental health. They are probably the least likely to intentionally want to just see the world burn, even if their behaviors seem to suggest otherwise.

    Talking about a race war is masturbatory fantasy. Good thing that it is fantasy, too, because war is hell for virtually everyone involved. The real war is of the womb and of migration. Populations will live and die based on those two things more than anything else.

    AGREED that war is a terrible thing, but maybe not THE most terrible. Anyway regarding:

    Blacks are the least likely (according to the GSS) to say “life has no purpose” and also the least likely to suffer from poor mental health.

    That might be from the polls, and I’ve have heard that blacks don’t commit suicide at the rate of whites. I think they behave like “life has no purpose” way more than other races. Just look at their assets!

    However, if this phrase is to indicate a propensity for suicide, than that is really another meaning from just being irresponsible and not giving a damn about doing a good job, etc, which is absolutely the case in general.

    Perhaps people with lower IQ have less of a tendency to commit suicide as they don’t see or understand what’s coming in their lives. I don’t know, but I think that would make a good post for you – Suicide rate vs. IQ (but, of course, you’d have to use education level instead, I’d guess.)

    • Replies: @Feryl
    Equatorial low IQ people don't feel guilt (since they have weak moral reasoning) like Ice people. If you can't envision how your behavior affects other people, you won't carry such a heavy emotional burden that suicide seems like a valid way out.

    Suicide rates among whites have soared since the late 90's, which I blame on (white) elites abandoning their kin. The (acknowledged) concerns of white working class people were generally the oil that lubed the political engine of the United States, with even Bill Clinton dissociating himself with "Sistah Souljah" and often saying: "It's the economy, stupid". Back in the early 90's, "the economy" by default meant white lower-middle class whites, who made up most of America's population back then. Jorge Bush, however, insisted that the concerns of Mexicans (actual Mexicans, not Mexican-Americans) be emphasized.

    People often bring up the anti-immigrant rhetoric of the mid-90's, and it has to be noted that this was the last period where invoking the concerns of working class whites wasn't automatically dismissed as archaic and offensive.

  108. @notanon

    The problem is that it denies moral agency
     
    yes, pretty much.

    for me if someone acts rationally on the basis of false information then the problem is the false information and the purveyors of that false information.

    for example i know people who absolutely believe the media's narrative over BLM and i don't think their reaction to that narrative is wrong ***if*** the media's narrative was true but it's not. it's a lie.

    similarly i know people who genuinely believe the media's narrative over global warming and again ***if*** it was true i don't think there's anything wrong with their reaction but it's not true. it's a lie.

    etc

    For example:

    In high school I believed the slick Al Jazeera propaganda that the rebels in Libya wanted a “secular democracy”. Did contrary information exist, yes. But I dismissed it and supported the bombing of Libya.

    I had valid concerns about a future war with Iran, I didn’t want to be drafted to fight in. I had the belief that these protests for democracy in the Arab countries would lead to a renewed uprising in Iran.

    Did I have agency here? I think so. And I, and many others made the wrong decision.

    • Replies: @notanon
    fair point - alternative information does exist

    (the key imo is people losing enough trust in the media to seek it out)
  109. @216
    For example:

    In high school I believed the slick Al Jazeera propaganda that the rebels in Libya wanted a "secular democracy". Did contrary information exist, yes. But I dismissed it and supported the bombing of Libya.

    I had valid concerns about a future war with Iran, I didn't want to be drafted to fight in. I had the belief that these protests for democracy in the Arab countries would lead to a renewed uprising in Iran.

    Did I have agency here? I think so. And I, and many others made the wrong decision.

    fair point – alternative information does exist

    (the key imo is people losing enough trust in the media to seek it out)

    • Replies: @Hail
    And the cry arose, near and far:

    "Media Delenda Est."
  110. @notanon
    fair point - alternative information does exist

    (the key imo is people losing enough trust in the media to seek it out)

    And the cry arose, near and far:

    Media Delenda Est.”

    • Replies: @notanon
    i'd like to see the musical of that
  111. @Audacious Epigone
    Very few blacks say they want to exterminate whites. Yes, the percentage is almost certainly higher than the percentages of whites who say they want to exterminate blacks (or any other group), but it's still very small.

    Very few blacks say they want to exterminate whites.

    true but on the other hand the percentage who will cheer on a white kid getting smashed to a pulp at school is very high.

    they don’t need to want to exterminate white people – all that’s needed is people who want to make white kids a minority in every school.

    nature will take it’s course.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  112. @Hail
    And the cry arose, near and far:

    "Media Delenda Est."

    i’d like to see the musical of that

  113. @notanon
    the primary driver of what's happening is the active malice of the media.

    "trusting the msm" is technically the same as "decided to commit suicide" but it misses the critical component.
    • Replies: @notanon
    fingers crossed
  114. @Audacious Epigone
    I am not a white nationalist. Vanishingly few white people even have the gumption to where an "it's okay to be white" shirt out in public. The idea that there will be a large group of whites spearheading something like what you're talking about is so insane that I wonder if you're not a troll.

    I am not a white nationalist. Vanishingly few white people even have the gumption to where an “it’s okay to be white” shirt out in public. The idea that there will be a large group of whites spearheading something like what you’re talking about is so insane that I wonder if you’re not a troll.

    Social trends can easily change simply because most people are conformists who do not truly care about any ideology but just go with the crowd.

    Do you really think social attitudes about race changed really rapidly from 1955 to 1975? Or maybe what really happened is that a group of people managed to move the society from the old consensus to the new consensus..

  115. @Oblivionrecurs
    The fucking anti-Nixon solar hippies ruined his nuclear plan and in turn fucked up any delays in emissions. Coulda basically solved this issue decades ago

    Ugh but perhaps its because i was raised Republican and Republicans are significantly closer to scientist on support for nuclear than the Democrats

    You have that wrong.  The hippies were co-opted by the oil companies.  The Sierra Club’s original motto was “Atoms Not Dams”, but went to the opposite side when (a) they got tons of money from oil interests like Jerry Brown’s family (which was big in Indonesia when it was run by generals), and (b) faced competition from anti-nuclear-out-of-the-gate Friends of the Earth which was founded with the help of a multi-hundred-thousand-dollar contribution from ARCO exec Robert O. Anderson.

    Right now the Brown crime family, who have a member on the board of natural-gas company Sempra, is about to close down the only nuclear competition remaining in California and profit immensely thereby.  The hippies, now Greens, are only a front.  That’s all they’ve ever been.

  116. https://goodmenproject.com/featured-content/10-things-i-would-like-to-see-future-president-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-accomplish/

    O/T

    10 Things This White Male Would Like to See Future President Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Accomplish

    Ira Israel

    You wonder if this is not a parody. But yet, it is real.

    Why is it acceptable to demonize the Right in this fashion? As if we are nothing but tax mules, rather than a people entitled to self-determination.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    The conversations no one else is having? Good grief. That's a pretty boring list of boilerplate progressive causes, notable only in that it is not dripping with racial resentment for whites (which is what I thought it would be based on someone named "Ira Israel" self-describing as a White Male).
  117. @Audacious Epigone
    I am not a white nationalist. Vanishingly few white people even have the gumption to where an "it's okay to be white" shirt out in public. The idea that there will be a large group of whites spearheading something like what you're talking about is so insane that I wonder if you're not a troll.

    And then there’s guys like this:
    https://heavy.com/news/2019/04/john-earnest/?sfns=mo

    Interesting thing about this guy; he cited God quite a bit – unusual.

    His words, if reported correctly are along the lines of what I have seen coming out of some online guys on the alt-right forums including this one. It would be nice to know the exact percentages (is this trend growing or not), but I doubt that’s something you could simply poll.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    This is an open forum, not a specifically alt right one.

    As I have unequivocally stated and maintained through my nearly 15 years now of blogging, I condemn completely violence and terrorism as means of enacting political or cultural change. Nature red in tooth and claw is not the way any of us should want our societies to be organized, even if we are the likely ostensible 'winners' in such an arrangement.

    There is, unfortunately, no surer way to force this than to silence people.
    , @216
    The high expectations of '16 have retreated into a wave of nihilism, exacerbated by continuing public debacles and Administration incompetence veering towards hostility.

    Fringe politics attracts fringe people, and unmoderated chat is near-impossible to police, so I expect it to be shut down at some future point.

    From the brief glimpses of the manifesto, it was boilerplate. That's not a good sign, as it shows a reduction in the thought barrier for additional attacks.

    It appears this temple was protected by an off-duty cop, so we might expect further strengthening of Jewish buildings. Hard targets are usually not attacked, especially by uncoordinated individuals. I doubt the fringe elements can organize multiple attackers, given the easy Fed infiltration of such groups.

    Attacks like these destroy the credibility of our "online censorship" claims.
  118. @Audacious Epigone
    In an era when so little wealth comes directly from land ownership, why should we want a global empire, American or otherwise? I want the exact opposite--as much localism as possible. But we're probably getting that global empire one way or another, the blips of resistance that are Brexit, Trump, Salvini, etc notwithstanding.

    Agreed. Localism is the rational way forward. Regarding the global empire: we’ve been captives of it since at least the post-WW2 period. The Anglo-Zionist union of the US and UK has been the dominant military and financial power. But it’s in obvious decline. I’ve heard and read that capital has now shifted to the east, China being the top Asian power. But it’s too soon to say whether China and other Asian entities will fully eclipse the Anglo-Zionist union. China has some serious problems in its western lands: poverty and Islam. And I don’t believe Japan will leave the Anglo-Zionist sphere.

  119. @notanon

    Talking about a race war is masturbatory fantasy.
     
    the media will increasingly incite it as the white percentage of the population declines.

    Why? Isn’t that tantamount to throwing a rock at a hornet’s nest that you’ve already laced with insecticide?

    • Replies: @notanon
    inciting anti-whites
    , @notanon
    i wasn't clear. generally when people talk about "race war" it's in the context of white people starting it and yes i agree the odds of that have always been zero. when i said it will happen i meant from the other direction (mainly in the schools).
  120. O/T

    Blue Check BlackHate ™ FOX affiliate reporter makes threats of violence

    https://twitter.com/IkeEjiochi/status/1122323442072788992

    Hit the Report button

    http://www.fox5dc.com/about

    Some places to contact his employers, if you have time to waste

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    He must have gotten a whiff of the backlash, as it already appears to have been deleted.
  121. @216
    https://goodmenproject.com/featured-content/10-things-i-would-like-to-see-future-president-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-accomplish/

    O/T

    10 Things This White Male Would Like to See Future President Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Accomplish

    Ira Israel
     
    You wonder if this is not a parody. But yet, it is real.

    Why is it acceptable to demonize the Right in this fashion? As if we are nothing but tax mules, rather than a people entitled to self-determination.

    The conversations no one else is having? Good grief. That’s a pretty boring list of boilerplate progressive causes, notable only in that it is not dripping with racial resentment for whites (which is what I thought it would be based on someone named “Ira Israel” self-describing as a White Male).

  122. @Audacious Epigone
    Are we sure the legacy of Nazism won't continue to be blamed even after the Teutonic world exists only in the history books? They still blame the legacy of colonialism in countries like Zimbabwe, after all.

    Whites will continue to be blamed for the woes of the world for at least another two generations, or until the whiteness virus has been bred out (isn’t that the purpose of the black and brown migration flows into western Europe and North America?). Our ghosts, wandering the ruins, will also be blamed.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani

    Whites will continue to be blamed for the woes of the world for at least another two generations, or until the whiteness virus has been bred out (isn’t that the purpose of the black and brown migration flows into western Europe and North America?). Our ghosts, wandering the ruins, will also be blamed.
     
    Well if that unfortunately happens there will be one day when Negroids will blame us for anything and everything. Unlike you guys we don't give a shit about their nonsense.
  123. @Talha
    And then there’s guys like this:
    https://heavy.com/news/2019/04/john-earnest/?sfns=mo

    Interesting thing about this guy; he cited God quite a bit - unusual.

    His words, if reported correctly are along the lines of what I have seen coming out of some online guys on the alt-right forums including this one. It would be nice to know the exact percentages (is this trend growing or not), but I doubt that’s something you could simply poll.

    Peace.

    This is an open forum, not a specifically alt right one.

    As I have unequivocally stated and maintained through my nearly 15 years now of blogging, I condemn completely violence and terrorism as means of enacting political or cultural change. Nature red in tooth and claw is not the way any of us should want our societies to be organized, even if we are the likely ostensible ‘winners’ in such an arrangement.

    There is, unfortunately, no surer way to force this than to silence people.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    To force violence, that is.
    , @Talha
    I agree with you on each and all above points. And I was not implying that you condone such behavior nor encourage it (I mean, you don’t even like people using dehumanizing language, so it would be a stretch to state otherwise). You have made it clear that you do not.

    I was just connecting some dots as regards to thought patterns and trends I have noticed. Although I admit, I’ve never really hung out at the hardcore places like 4chan or 8chan or whatever.

    As far as this forum being an alt-right one; since it’s yours, you have the prerogative of categorizing it as you want. The term alt-right is generally so malleable, that it casts a fairly wide net.

    Peace.
    , @iffen
    I condemn completely violence and terrorism as means of enacting political or cultural change.

    But at the same time you maintain that there cannot be a political solution. I can't be the only one that sees this contradiction.
    , @iffen
    This is an open forum, not a specifically alt right one.

    It's odd how so many alt-right commenters arriving here think that it is.

    I fully appreciate the variety at the UR, but is there anything that can be learned at the /pol/ sites that cannot be learned at the UR?
  124. @truthman
    Would love to see a national referendum held on this issue. Sure, the pro-more immigration side would win in many Democrat leaning areas, but probably wouldn't rack up the huge margins that Dem candidates do, and its likely a restrictionist proposal would pass nationwide, or at least have a fighting chance to do so.

    Do we even have a tradition of nationwide referendum in this country? I don’t think so. Furthermore, a referendum on the matter would have no practical effect. The distressing fact is, most Americans are not woke up to how dire the situation is. We need respected leaders to be forthright on the matter. To challenge the entire immigration ideology. To call for ending it, now. Don’t mend it, end it. Don’t tinker with immigration, end it. End it for once and all. Now consider, there is not a single political leader of note who will assert this. Matters are very bad.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @216
    The Right hasn't won most of the immigration referenda in Switzerland, it has won just a few. The referendums won by the Right were often ignored by the Swiss Federal Council when Brussels issued threats.
  125. @Audacious Epigone
    This is an open forum, not a specifically alt right one.

    As I have unequivocally stated and maintained through my nearly 15 years now of blogging, I condemn completely violence and terrorism as means of enacting political or cultural change. Nature red in tooth and claw is not the way any of us should want our societies to be organized, even if we are the likely ostensible 'winners' in such an arrangement.

    There is, unfortunately, no surer way to force this than to silence people.

    To force violence, that is.

  126. @SunBakedSuburb
    Whites will continue to be blamed for the woes of the world for at least another two generations, or until the whiteness virus has been bred out (isn't that the purpose of the black and brown migration flows into western Europe and North America?). Our ghosts, wandering the ruins, will also be blamed.

    Whites will continue to be blamed for the woes of the world for at least another two generations, or until the whiteness virus has been bred out (isn’t that the purpose of the black and brown migration flows into western Europe and North America?). Our ghosts, wandering the ruins, will also be blamed.

    Well if that unfortunately happens there will be one day when Negroids will blame us for anything and everything. Unlike you guys we don’t give a shit about their nonsense.

  127. @Talha
    And then there’s guys like this:
    https://heavy.com/news/2019/04/john-earnest/?sfns=mo

    Interesting thing about this guy; he cited God quite a bit - unusual.

    His words, if reported correctly are along the lines of what I have seen coming out of some online guys on the alt-right forums including this one. It would be nice to know the exact percentages (is this trend growing or not), but I doubt that’s something you could simply poll.

    Peace.

    The high expectations of ’16 have retreated into a wave of nihilism, exacerbated by continuing public debacles and Administration incompetence veering towards hostility.

    Fringe politics attracts fringe people, and unmoderated chat is near-impossible to police, so I expect it to be shut down at some future point.

    From the brief glimpses of the manifesto, it was boilerplate. That’s not a good sign, as it shows a reduction in the thought barrier for additional attacks.

    It appears this temple was protected by an off-duty cop, so we might expect further strengthening of Jewish buildings. Hard targets are usually not attacked, especially by uncoordinated individuals. I doubt the fringe elements can organize multiple attackers, given the easy Fed infiltration of such groups.

    Attacks like these destroy the credibility of our “online censorship” claims.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani

    Fringe politics attracts fringe people, and unmoderated chat is near-impossible to police, so I expect it to be shut down at some future point.
     
    It can't be completely shut down. Has drugs truly been completely wiped out anywhere on this planet? No. Is there any place on this planet with enough people that is 100% murder-free? No. Societies can only reduce the amount of socially undesirable events but can not completely get rid of them.

    It appears this temple was protected by an off-duty cop, so we might expect further strengthening of Jewish buildings. Hard targets are usually not attacked, especially by uncoordinated individuals. I doubt the fringe elements can organize multiple attackers, given the easy Fed infiltration of such groups.
     
    Jews have nukes and a strong military (IDF) now. Extermination of Jews without causing almost human extinction is already impossible simply because Israelis are very likely to have been preparing for extermination scenarios for a long time.
    , @Talha

    so I expect it to be shut down at some future point
     
    Quite possible if this keeps happening; I mean look at what they have us going through to board a plane. My kids have never known of a time when they could meet someone at the gate of a flight and I remember the days of only metal detectors. Furthermore, if places like 4chan and 8chan don’t have millions and millions of normie users, it will not elicit much pushback.

    From the brief glimpses of the manifesto, it was boilerplate. That’s not a good sign, as it shows a reduction in the thought barrier for additional attacks.
     
    Agree. And this will bring heat with it, I guarantee.

    I just read that in Sri Lanka, they raided the home of a suspected “Islamist leader” and 15 people were killed including children. Do you think anybody cares to ask questions? The authorities could have gone in, shot up the place completely and not thought twice about taking prisoners and this will eventually start happening here.

    This brings to mind a three way conversation I had (on Twitter) with a semi-known figure in the WN movement and another White guy who was a veteran ex-army mountain division. Anyway, the army guy was going off on the WN guy and I was actually trying to bring some semblance of a discussion about to get him to see some valid points, which he eventually did. However, it proceeded to a point where the WN guy kind of boasted about beating up Leftists and the army guy told him to back up and watch himself because he hasn’t gone up against guys like him who were, in his words, trained to maim and kill. The WN backed up fairly quickly and stated clearly he was not advocating violence - and it basically ended there. It was quite an instructive moment.

    Peace.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    Pragmatically, it is a tough situation. At the very least I do hope readers understand the potential problems I'm trying as delicately as possible to get out ahead of.
  128. @Audacious Epigone
    This is an open forum, not a specifically alt right one.

    As I have unequivocally stated and maintained through my nearly 15 years now of blogging, I condemn completely violence and terrorism as means of enacting political or cultural change. Nature red in tooth and claw is not the way any of us should want our societies to be organized, even if we are the likely ostensible 'winners' in such an arrangement.

    There is, unfortunately, no surer way to force this than to silence people.

    I agree with you on each and all above points. And I was not implying that you condone such behavior nor encourage it (I mean, you don’t even like people using dehumanizing language, so it would be a stretch to state otherwise). You have made it clear that you do not.

    I was just connecting some dots as regards to thought patterns and trends I have noticed. Although I admit, I’ve never really hung out at the hardcore places like 4chan or 8chan or whatever.

    As far as this forum being an alt-right one; since it’s yours, you have the prerogative of categorizing it as you want. The term alt-right is generally so malleable, that it casts a fairly wide net.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @216

    The term alt-right is generally so malleable, that it casts a fairly wide net.
     
    My preference is to avoid using that term, relegating it to a time period roughly from its 2010 formation to its 2016 expiration. Since then, its adherants are best described as WN 2.0; which is the presentation it receives in the corporate media.

    I prefer the term Dissident Right, or my own pet terms "the dissident movements" or "our movements". It might also be helpful to appropriate Ben Shapiro's "Intellectual Dark Web", unless that is a trademarked term that could get Unz sued.
    , @EastKekistani

    dehumanizing language
     
    In order to see what "dehumanizing" mean we first need to establish what the word "human" means. The word "human" is a biological concept. If you are a Homo sapien then you are a human. Period. However socially it is not understood that way. Being "human", socially but not biologically defined, is a being with something known as human rights. On the other hand humanity (socially defined) does not recognize non-humans have such rights. Hence "dehumanizing" really means "claiming that someone isn't a human and hence does not have human rights". It often includes " should be exterminated."

    What are "rights"? They are social constructs that originated in the West and then spread all over the world. Since they are social constructs they don't really exist unless protected by force. There is no human force in the universe greater than nukes. Any individual or tribe that possesses nukes truly have the right to exist not because of any merit but instead because they can retaliate against the rest of humanity if their continued existence is threatened.

    Hence dehumanizing of nuclear-capable tribes is simply irrelevant unless certain lunatics actually want a nuclear WWIII..

  129. @Daniel H
    Do we even have a tradition of nationwide referendum in this country? I don't think so. Furthermore, a referendum on the matter would have no practical effect. The distressing fact is, most Americans are not woke up to how dire the situation is. We need respected leaders to be forthright on the matter. To challenge the entire immigration ideology. To call for ending it, now. Don't mend it, end it. Don't tinker with immigration, end it. End it for once and all. Now consider, there is not a single political leader of note who will assert this. Matters are very bad.

    The Right hasn’t won most of the immigration referenda in Switzerland, it has won just a few. The referendums won by the Right were often ignored by the Swiss Federal Council when Brussels issued threats.

  130. @216
    The high expectations of '16 have retreated into a wave of nihilism, exacerbated by continuing public debacles and Administration incompetence veering towards hostility.

    Fringe politics attracts fringe people, and unmoderated chat is near-impossible to police, so I expect it to be shut down at some future point.

    From the brief glimpses of the manifesto, it was boilerplate. That's not a good sign, as it shows a reduction in the thought barrier for additional attacks.

    It appears this temple was protected by an off-duty cop, so we might expect further strengthening of Jewish buildings. Hard targets are usually not attacked, especially by uncoordinated individuals. I doubt the fringe elements can organize multiple attackers, given the easy Fed infiltration of such groups.

    Attacks like these destroy the credibility of our "online censorship" claims.

    Fringe politics attracts fringe people, and unmoderated chat is near-impossible to police, so I expect it to be shut down at some future point.

    It can’t be completely shut down. Has drugs truly been completely wiped out anywhere on this planet? No. Is there any place on this planet with enough people that is 100% murder-free? No. Societies can only reduce the amount of socially undesirable events but can not completely get rid of them.

    It appears this temple was protected by an off-duty cop, so we might expect further strengthening of Jewish buildings. Hard targets are usually not attacked, especially by uncoordinated individuals. I doubt the fringe elements can organize multiple attackers, given the easy Fed infiltration of such groups.

    Jews have nukes and a strong military (IDF) now. Extermination of Jews without causing almost human extinction is already impossible simply because Israelis are very likely to have been preparing for extermination scenarios for a long time.

    • Replies: @216
    https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/a3xgq5/why-wont-twitter-treat-white-supremacy-like-isis-because-it-would-mean-banning-some-republican-politicians-too

    I posted this in an earlier thread.

    From how this reads, and discount it given that it is VICE, Twitter AI has been able to wipe out anything ISIS related from the site.

    The techbro claimed to VICE that they don't use this on the Notzees because it would wipe out GOP politicians (who could then force regulation or nationalization of the company) and drive the Right over to Gab.

    So, as a layman, I think they can indeed shut it down. And they can do even more by hiring an army of censors.
  131. @Talha
    I agree with you on each and all above points. And I was not implying that you condone such behavior nor encourage it (I mean, you don’t even like people using dehumanizing language, so it would be a stretch to state otherwise). You have made it clear that you do not.

    I was just connecting some dots as regards to thought patterns and trends I have noticed. Although I admit, I’ve never really hung out at the hardcore places like 4chan or 8chan or whatever.

    As far as this forum being an alt-right one; since it’s yours, you have the prerogative of categorizing it as you want. The term alt-right is generally so malleable, that it casts a fairly wide net.

    Peace.

    The term alt-right is generally so malleable, that it casts a fairly wide net.

    My preference is to avoid using that term, relegating it to a time period roughly from its 2010 formation to its 2016 expiration. Since then, its adherants are best described as WN 2.0; which is the presentation it receives in the corporate media.

    I prefer the term Dissident Right, or my own pet terms “the dissident movements” or “our movements”. It might also be helpful to appropriate Ben Shapiro’s “Intellectual Dark Web”, unless that is a trademarked term that could get Unz sued.

    • Replies: @Talha
    This makes more sense actually, thanks.

    Peace.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    Agree that "alt right" is mostly just a derogatory smear term now, used more frequently by critics to label people they don't like than by people self-describing as such.

    I like "dissident right", especially the "dissident" part, on the quaint, quixotic hope that it may embarrass some leftists into confronting the reality that some time ago they stopped "speaking truth to power" in favor of the more comfortable, cost-free "speaking power to truth".
    , @Audacious Epigone
    The "intellectual dark web" should get Shapiro sued by Nick Land, who came up with "the dark enlightenment" in 2012.
    , @LondonBob
    Who is Ben Schapiro?
  132. @EastKekistani

    Fringe politics attracts fringe people, and unmoderated chat is near-impossible to police, so I expect it to be shut down at some future point.
     
    It can't be completely shut down. Has drugs truly been completely wiped out anywhere on this planet? No. Is there any place on this planet with enough people that is 100% murder-free? No. Societies can only reduce the amount of socially undesirable events but can not completely get rid of them.

    It appears this temple was protected by an off-duty cop, so we might expect further strengthening of Jewish buildings. Hard targets are usually not attacked, especially by uncoordinated individuals. I doubt the fringe elements can organize multiple attackers, given the easy Fed infiltration of such groups.
     
    Jews have nukes and a strong military (IDF) now. Extermination of Jews without causing almost human extinction is already impossible simply because Israelis are very likely to have been preparing for extermination scenarios for a long time.

    https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/a3xgq5/why-wont-twitter-treat-white-supremacy-like-isis-because-it-would-mean-banning-some-republican-politicians-too

    I posted this in an earlier thread.

    From how this reads, and discount it given that it is VICE, Twitter AI has been able to wipe out anything ISIS related from the site.

    The techbro claimed to VICE that they don’t use this on the Notzees because it would wipe out GOP politicians (who could then force regulation or nationalization of the company) and drive the Right over to Gab.

    So, as a layman, I think they can indeed shut it down. And they can do even more by hiring an army of censors.

  133. @Talha
    I agree with you on each and all above points. And I was not implying that you condone such behavior nor encourage it (I mean, you don’t even like people using dehumanizing language, so it would be a stretch to state otherwise). You have made it clear that you do not.

    I was just connecting some dots as regards to thought patterns and trends I have noticed. Although I admit, I’ve never really hung out at the hardcore places like 4chan or 8chan or whatever.

    As far as this forum being an alt-right one; since it’s yours, you have the prerogative of categorizing it as you want. The term alt-right is generally so malleable, that it casts a fairly wide net.

    Peace.

    dehumanizing language

    In order to see what “dehumanizing” mean we first need to establish what the word “human” means. The word “human” is a biological concept. If you are a Homo sapien then you are a human. Period. However socially it is not understood that way. Being “human”, socially but not biologically defined, is a being with something known as human rights. On the other hand humanity (socially defined) does not recognize non-humans have such rights. Hence “dehumanizing” really means “claiming that someone isn’t a human and hence does not have human rights”. It often includes ” should be exterminated.”

    What are “rights”? They are social constructs that originated in the West and then spread all over the world. Since they are social constructs they don’t really exist unless protected by force. There is no human force in the universe greater than nukes. Any individual or tribe that possesses nukes truly have the right to exist not because of any merit but instead because they can retaliate against the rest of humanity if their continued existence is threatened.

    Hence dehumanizing of nuclear-capable tribes is simply irrelevant unless certain lunatics actually want a nuclear WWIII..

    • Replies: @Talha
    That’s all fine, but AE owns the forum; he gets to define terms and acceptable parameters of usage.

    Peace.
  134. @216
    The high expectations of '16 have retreated into a wave of nihilism, exacerbated by continuing public debacles and Administration incompetence veering towards hostility.

    Fringe politics attracts fringe people, and unmoderated chat is near-impossible to police, so I expect it to be shut down at some future point.

    From the brief glimpses of the manifesto, it was boilerplate. That's not a good sign, as it shows a reduction in the thought barrier for additional attacks.

    It appears this temple was protected by an off-duty cop, so we might expect further strengthening of Jewish buildings. Hard targets are usually not attacked, especially by uncoordinated individuals. I doubt the fringe elements can organize multiple attackers, given the easy Fed infiltration of such groups.

    Attacks like these destroy the credibility of our "online censorship" claims.

    so I expect it to be shut down at some future point

    Quite possible if this keeps happening; I mean look at what they have us going through to board a plane. My kids have never known of a time when they could meet someone at the gate of a flight and I remember the days of only metal detectors. Furthermore, if places like 4chan and 8chan don’t have millions and millions of normie users, it will not elicit much pushback.

    From the brief glimpses of the manifesto, it was boilerplate. That’s not a good sign, as it shows a reduction in the thought barrier for additional attacks.

    Agree. And this will bring heat with it, I guarantee.

    I just read that in Sri Lanka, they raided the home of a suspected “Islamist leader” and 15 people were killed including children. Do you think anybody cares to ask questions? The authorities could have gone in, shot up the place completely and not thought twice about taking prisoners and this will eventually start happening here.

    This brings to mind a three way conversation I had (on Twitter) with a semi-known figure in the WN movement and another White guy who was a veteran ex-army mountain division. Anyway, the army guy was going off on the WN guy and I was actually trying to bring some semblance of a discussion about to get him to see some valid points, which he eventually did. However, it proceeded to a point where the WN guy kind of boasted about beating up Leftists and the army guy told him to back up and watch himself because he hasn’t gone up against guys like him who were, in his words, trained to maim and kill. The WN backed up fairly quickly and stated clearly he was not advocating violence – and it basically ended there. It was quite an instructive moment.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani

    I just read that in Sri Lanka, they raided the home of a suspected “Islamist leader” and 15 people were killed including children.
     
    In a total war of course people will kill children. I have ancient Aryan, Mongol and Native American warfare in my mind.

    However.....Sri Lanka isn't in a total war, is it?

    Well, I do believe that we will witness really horrifying events in this century that will make the horrors of the 20th century look like a picnic. Technologies will make genocides easier to commit and harder to detect. I think there may be some point when entire ethnic groups will just die for unknown reasons at night...and nobody will be able to find the perpetuators. If this ever happens it will be the beginning of the end of humanity as people will resort to preemptive mass murder to prevent themselves from getting murdered that way.

    Hope that won't happen.

  135. @EastKekistani

    dehumanizing language
     
    In order to see what "dehumanizing" mean we first need to establish what the word "human" means. The word "human" is a biological concept. If you are a Homo sapien then you are a human. Period. However socially it is not understood that way. Being "human", socially but not biologically defined, is a being with something known as human rights. On the other hand humanity (socially defined) does not recognize non-humans have such rights. Hence "dehumanizing" really means "claiming that someone isn't a human and hence does not have human rights". It often includes " should be exterminated."

    What are "rights"? They are social constructs that originated in the West and then spread all over the world. Since they are social constructs they don't really exist unless protected by force. There is no human force in the universe greater than nukes. Any individual or tribe that possesses nukes truly have the right to exist not because of any merit but instead because they can retaliate against the rest of humanity if their continued existence is threatened.

    Hence dehumanizing of nuclear-capable tribes is simply irrelevant unless certain lunatics actually want a nuclear WWIII..

    That’s all fine, but AE owns the forum; he gets to define terms and acceptable parameters of usage.

    Peace.

  136. @216

    The term alt-right is generally so malleable, that it casts a fairly wide net.
     
    My preference is to avoid using that term, relegating it to a time period roughly from its 2010 formation to its 2016 expiration. Since then, its adherants are best described as WN 2.0; which is the presentation it receives in the corporate media.

    I prefer the term Dissident Right, or my own pet terms "the dissident movements" or "our movements". It might also be helpful to appropriate Ben Shapiro's "Intellectual Dark Web", unless that is a trademarked term that could get Unz sued.

    This makes more sense actually, thanks.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @RSDB
    I never even heard the term alt-right until 2015/6, when its application was very broad. Briefly it seemed to include relatively traditional conservatives, excluding NeverTrump types (and frankly would probably have included you as well), but after the election, whether the turn was led by its own proponents or by the MSM, it seemed to refer more and more to the proverbial "lunatic fringe".

    Dissident is probably better, but, like "alt", it raises a problem once you actually win anything.
  137. @Talha

    so I expect it to be shut down at some future point
     
    Quite possible if this keeps happening; I mean look at what they have us going through to board a plane. My kids have never known of a time when they could meet someone at the gate of a flight and I remember the days of only metal detectors. Furthermore, if places like 4chan and 8chan don’t have millions and millions of normie users, it will not elicit much pushback.

    From the brief glimpses of the manifesto, it was boilerplate. That’s not a good sign, as it shows a reduction in the thought barrier for additional attacks.
     
    Agree. And this will bring heat with it, I guarantee.

    I just read that in Sri Lanka, they raided the home of a suspected “Islamist leader” and 15 people were killed including children. Do you think anybody cares to ask questions? The authorities could have gone in, shot up the place completely and not thought twice about taking prisoners and this will eventually start happening here.

    This brings to mind a three way conversation I had (on Twitter) with a semi-known figure in the WN movement and another White guy who was a veteran ex-army mountain division. Anyway, the army guy was going off on the WN guy and I was actually trying to bring some semblance of a discussion about to get him to see some valid points, which he eventually did. However, it proceeded to a point where the WN guy kind of boasted about beating up Leftists and the army guy told him to back up and watch himself because he hasn’t gone up against guys like him who were, in his words, trained to maim and kill. The WN backed up fairly quickly and stated clearly he was not advocating violence - and it basically ended there. It was quite an instructive moment.

    Peace.

    I just read that in Sri Lanka, they raided the home of a suspected “Islamist leader” and 15 people were killed including children.

    In a total war of course people will kill children. I have ancient Aryan, Mongol and Native American warfare in my mind.

    However…..Sri Lanka isn’t in a total war, is it?

    Well, I do believe that we will witness really horrifying events in this century that will make the horrors of the 20th century look like a picnic. Technologies will make genocides easier to commit and harder to detect. I think there may be some point when entire ethnic groups will just die for unknown reasons at night…and nobody will be able to find the perpetuators. If this ever happens it will be the beginning of the end of humanity as people will resort to preemptive mass murder to prevent themselves from getting murdered that way.

    Hope that won’t happen.

    • Replies: @Talha

    Sri Lanka isn’t in a total war, is it?

     

    Nope, but if it is now open season on “Islamists” in Sri Lanka - no one will complain.

    Likewise, 216 mentioned how boilerplate that manifesto was. This is dangerous territory. If it can be shown that this is “normative” talk among WNs and more of these attacks occur, I can pretty much tell you there are going to be a whole heck of a lot more Ruby Ridge type incidents involving WNs and their families/followers. And very few will care or simply say “good riddance”.

    Peace.

  138. @EastKekistani

    I just read that in Sri Lanka, they raided the home of a suspected “Islamist leader” and 15 people were killed including children.
     
    In a total war of course people will kill children. I have ancient Aryan, Mongol and Native American warfare in my mind.

    However.....Sri Lanka isn't in a total war, is it?

    Well, I do believe that we will witness really horrifying events in this century that will make the horrors of the 20th century look like a picnic. Technologies will make genocides easier to commit and harder to detect. I think there may be some point when entire ethnic groups will just die for unknown reasons at night...and nobody will be able to find the perpetuators. If this ever happens it will be the beginning of the end of humanity as people will resort to preemptive mass murder to prevent themselves from getting murdered that way.

    Hope that won't happen.

    Sri Lanka isn’t in a total war, is it?

    Nope, but if it is now open season on “Islamists” in Sri Lanka – no one will complain.

    Likewise, 216 mentioned how boilerplate that manifesto was. This is dangerous territory. If it can be shown that this is “normative” talk among WNs and more of these attacks occur, I can pretty much tell you there are going to be a whole heck of a lot more Ruby Ridge type incidents involving WNs and their families/followers. And very few will care or simply say “good riddance”.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    I see.

    Amoral ethnonationalism is not popular within the Hajnal line. Certainly not genocidal amoral ethnonationalism which is unpopular almost everywhere.

    In the most extreme case it will look like Boxer Rebellion and will be treated like Boxer Rebellion because in an increasingly high tech world this has the potential to end humanity and hence won't be tolerated.

    , @RSDB
    Muslims in SL are as against "Islamists" as anybody else. If "Islamists" succeed in killing people, the Muslims are put in a bad light. That's vastly better, by orders of magnitude, than actually getting killed or your relatives getting killed (though a fair number of the dead waiters and a few of those killed in churches were Muslim-- brilliant scoutwork, jihadists) but it's not fun.

    There was an "explosion" in the raided house, which killed the children. Police theorize it was a suicide plan. Of course they may be going back to war praxis where "shot trying to escape" and "shot reaching for a detonator" were pretty standard stuff, but the police explanation really doesn't seem all that strange to me given the kind of people we're dealing with here.

    , @iffen
    heck of a lot more Ruby Ridge type incidents involving WNs and their families/followers.

    I think that is more likely that we will go in the direction where the law is not enforced. We will have more situations like the Bundys and Western Lands standoffs, more situations in the cities where the laws prohibiting drugs or untaxed tobacco simply go unenforced.

  139. What are we going to do if one day in 2040 all members of an ethnic group suddenly dies? If we can’t find out the culprit this will indeed escalate into people first starting to preemptively kill rivals and potential rivals….then people preemptively kill neutrals…eventually people will begin to kill everyone else except for some racial, ethnic or religious ingroup. Since the ingroup is also divided into subgroups mass murder using WMD may become how people tend to “settle” conflicts once and for all…until not many humans who truly agree to abandon and forbid further mass murder will be left assuming that there will still be humans left.

    This is just like the Mutiny on the Bounty. The rebels settled on the Pitcairn Island and began to kill each other.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutiny_on_the_Bounty

    If we allow the first instance of this shit to go unpunished this shit will continue until humanity becomes extinct or people will finally stop after very heavy losses.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational

    If we allow the first instance of this shit to go unpunished
     
    More likely, can't find anyone to punish and/or the perps are out of reach.

    this shit will continue until humanity becomes extinct or people will finally stop after very heavy losses.
     
    Or when there's no longer any real competition for the groups with the resources to engineer such WMDs.  The bulk of "humanity" doesn't have the economic clout to build the weapons labs, let alone the high-IQ people to staff them.  Israel may remove most of the Arabs for lebensraum, White Australia types might remove the aborigines as expensive and dangerous nuisances, Han Chinese might remove Europeans and Africans to grab their land and resources.  Aborigines and Africans aren't going to be doing squat, and Arabs are iffy.
  140. @Talha

    Sri Lanka isn’t in a total war, is it?

     

    Nope, but if it is now open season on “Islamists” in Sri Lanka - no one will complain.

    Likewise, 216 mentioned how boilerplate that manifesto was. This is dangerous territory. If it can be shown that this is “normative” talk among WNs and more of these attacks occur, I can pretty much tell you there are going to be a whole heck of a lot more Ruby Ridge type incidents involving WNs and their families/followers. And very few will care or simply say “good riddance”.

    Peace.

    I see.

    Amoral ethnonationalism is not popular within the Hajnal line. Certainly not genocidal amoral ethnonationalism which is unpopular almost everywhere.

    In the most extreme case it will look like Boxer Rebellion and will be treated like Boxer Rebellion because in an increasingly high tech world this has the potential to end humanity and hence won’t be tolerated.

    • Replies: @Feryl
    Well, in most places in the world people don't trust each other. So people tend to side with their immediate family first, their extended family second, and their ethnic group third. Whereas Western Europeans have enough faith in strangers that it's considered "unsporting" to show favoritism to your family or ethnic group. The mentality is that only a (white) "loser" plays up ethnic identity because they didn't have the talent to succeed and are now trying to "game" the system by trying to ally with their ethnic group for a better shot at success. Of course, what Western Europeans think is "unfair" (when done by whites) is quite normal throughout the world.

    Still, it is interesting that it wasn't until circa 1970 that whites came to believe that their distinct culture could be preserved while importing lots of non-whites. In fact, we openly allow non-whites to be ethno-centric while insisting to an ever greater degree that whites must maintain their traditional high trust and individualistic culture. Something has to give, of course. Putnam found that circa the year 2000, small Midwestern towns had the highest trust levels, but also had the lowest levels of ethnic diversity, with most residents being whites of Northern European descent. Trust levels in the urban and even suburban Northeast have never recovered since the Ellis Island days, they've never been that strong in much of the South, where blacks have historically existed in large numbers. As we speak, many areas of the Midwest have seen an influx of immigrants (thereby rendering Putnam's study to go out of date alarmingly fast), while yuppie gentrifiers are pushing some of the once exclusively urban black population out into 1st and even 2nd tier suburbs of the Midwest's metro areas).
  141. @Audacious Epigone
    Why? Isn't that tantamount to throwing a rock at a hornet's nest that you've already laced with insecticide?

    inciting anti-whites

  142. @Talha

    Sri Lanka isn’t in a total war, is it?

     

    Nope, but if it is now open season on “Islamists” in Sri Lanka - no one will complain.

    Likewise, 216 mentioned how boilerplate that manifesto was. This is dangerous territory. If it can be shown that this is “normative” talk among WNs and more of these attacks occur, I can pretty much tell you there are going to be a whole heck of a lot more Ruby Ridge type incidents involving WNs and their families/followers. And very few will care or simply say “good riddance”.

    Peace.

    Muslims in SL are as against “Islamists” as anybody else. If “Islamists” succeed in killing people, the Muslims are put in a bad light. That’s vastly better, by orders of magnitude, than actually getting killed or your relatives getting killed (though a fair number of the dead waiters and a few of those killed in churches were Muslim– brilliant scoutwork, jihadists) but it’s not fun.

    There was an “explosion” in the raided house, which killed the children. Police theorize it was a suicide plan. Of course they may be going back to war praxis where “shot trying to escape” and “shot reaching for a detonator” were pretty standard stuff, but the police explanation really doesn’t seem all that strange to me given the kind of people we’re dealing with here.

    • Replies: @Talha

    Muslims in SL are as against “Islamists” as anybody else. If “Islamists” succeed in killing people, the Muslims are put in a bad light.
     
    Yup. Exactly my point. More of the respectable people talking about White people’s concerns will not be happy if these kinds of extremist actions bring heat on them or detract from their message.

    the police explanation really doesn’t seem all that strange to me given the kind of people we’re dealing with here.
     
    Totally agree, and I’m not saying that’s not exactly what happened - I personally don’t doubt it much given the way these guys think. What I am saying is that extremists can push things in a direction such that, even if the authorities literally threw in grenades simply to eliminate the problem with no risk to themselves and pinned it on the suspects, the public will already be at a place mentally that nobody cares to question it or want an investigation.

    People concerned about White interests don’t need these kinds of loose cannons creating an environment where the authorities can gun people like them down in the streets or in their homes and have it result in zero public outrage or concern.

    Peace.
  143. @Talha
    This makes more sense actually, thanks.

    Peace.

    I never even heard the term alt-right until 2015/6, when its application was very broad. Briefly it seemed to include relatively traditional conservatives, excluding NeverTrump types (and frankly would probably have included you as well), but after the election, whether the turn was led by its own proponents or by the MSM, it seemed to refer more and more to the proverbial “lunatic fringe”.

    Dissident is probably better, but, like “alt”, it raises a problem once you actually win anything.

  144. @RSDB
    Muslims in SL are as against "Islamists" as anybody else. If "Islamists" succeed in killing people, the Muslims are put in a bad light. That's vastly better, by orders of magnitude, than actually getting killed or your relatives getting killed (though a fair number of the dead waiters and a few of those killed in churches were Muslim-- brilliant scoutwork, jihadists) but it's not fun.

    There was an "explosion" in the raided house, which killed the children. Police theorize it was a suicide plan. Of course they may be going back to war praxis where "shot trying to escape" and "shot reaching for a detonator" were pretty standard stuff, but the police explanation really doesn't seem all that strange to me given the kind of people we're dealing with here.

    Muslims in SL are as against “Islamists” as anybody else. If “Islamists” succeed in killing people, the Muslims are put in a bad light.

    Yup. Exactly my point. More of the respectable people talking about White people’s concerns will not be happy if these kinds of extremist actions bring heat on them or detract from their message.

    the police explanation really doesn’t seem all that strange to me given the kind of people we’re dealing with here.

    Totally agree, and I’m not saying that’s not exactly what happened – I personally don’t doubt it much given the way these guys think. What I am saying is that extremists can push things in a direction such that, even if the authorities literally threw in grenades simply to eliminate the problem with no risk to themselves and pinned it on the suspects, the public will already be at a place mentally that nobody cares to question it or want an investigation.

    People concerned about White interests don’t need these kinds of loose cannons creating an environment where the authorities can gun people like them down in the streets or in their homes and have it result in zero public outrage or concern.

    Peace.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @RSDB
    Yes, those are good points.

    Every standard political movement in a lot of the world (thankfully not so much here yet) has a bunch of armed thugs, but when they go off-script they can kill the party, and that's not even considering being inveigled by agents provocateurs.
  145. @Talha

    Muslims in SL are as against “Islamists” as anybody else. If “Islamists” succeed in killing people, the Muslims are put in a bad light.
     
    Yup. Exactly my point. More of the respectable people talking about White people’s concerns will not be happy if these kinds of extremist actions bring heat on them or detract from their message.

    the police explanation really doesn’t seem all that strange to me given the kind of people we’re dealing with here.
     
    Totally agree, and I’m not saying that’s not exactly what happened - I personally don’t doubt it much given the way these guys think. What I am saying is that extremists can push things in a direction such that, even if the authorities literally threw in grenades simply to eliminate the problem with no risk to themselves and pinned it on the suspects, the public will already be at a place mentally that nobody cares to question it or want an investigation.

    People concerned about White interests don’t need these kinds of loose cannons creating an environment where the authorities can gun people like them down in the streets or in their homes and have it result in zero public outrage or concern.

    Peace.

    Yes, those are good points.

    Every standard political movement in a lot of the world (thankfully not so much here yet) has a bunch of armed thugs, but when they go off-script they can kill the party, and that’s not even considering being inveigled by agents provocateurs.

  146. @L Woods
    There is no way to explain this phenomenon save collective insanity. Call it simplistic, pejorative or hyperbolic, but there's simply no accounting for it otherwise. The only thing more striking than this frenzied descent into self-destruction is the abject moral cowardice of conservatives, who are themselves unmistakably acquiescing to this madness.

    Still, paradoxically, this leads me to believe the mad crowd may have a point. Perhaps America as we knew it does need to be well and truly buried in order to commence the next stage in societal evolution. The status quo, certainly, is neither sustainable nor desirable.

    Yes, a type of collective insanity. A young woman I know, when told that SSAs didn’t have the wheel until Europeans introduced it, replied “They didn’t need wheels.” I could have continued with medicine, indoor plumbing, literacy, n electricity, but I would only have gotten the same answer.

    The insanity can be explained this way: Europe was once Christian but lost the faith. Jews picked up what was left of Christianity n re-packaged it as Socialism. Socialism is moribund Christianity burdened by pathological altruism to the point of suicide, n led by Jews, who are happy to have finally found a way to trick whites into destroying themselves.

    • Replies: @notanon

    what was left of Christianity
     
    i think it's more fundamental than that in that i think Christianity molded people genetically to make them more susceptible to morality-based bullying/conformism.

    hence why debating them has to take the same form - moral bullying.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    I want to believe a population that can be so easily tricked into destroying itself is worthy of preservation, I really do.
  147. …asking respondents if blacks in the US should be able to overcome prejudice

    An extraordinarily disingenuous question/phrasing — no mention of HBD/IQ, ie extremely relevant factors unrelated to “prejudice” (which is often rational anyway) — it is impossible to disentangle such questions from overpowering social mores (“racist”).

    Many blacks have been in the US longer than the US has been an independent country and yet we not only continue to assert but do so with increasing conviction that blacks need special favors because non-blacks are so debilitatingly prejudicial against them.

    This is poorly worded, but I get what you mean — eg Liberia has been independent since before CA became a state — CIA Worldbook Factbook on the economy of Liberia:

    Liberia is a low-income country that relies heavily on foreign assistance and remittances from the diaspora. It is richly endowed with water, mineral resources, forests, and a climate favorable to agriculture.

    • Replies: @anon


    …asking respondents if blacks in the US should be able to overcome prejudice

     

    An extraordinarily disingenuous question/phrasing — no mention of HBD/IQ, ie extremely relevant factors unrelated to “prejudice” (which is often rational anyway) — it is impossible to disentangle such questions from overpowering social mores (“racist”).
     
    also no mention of black crime, unless that's covered in "HBD"
  148. @Achmed E. Newman
    Yep, Mike, I've been reading VDare for something like 15 years. They've written a number of times about black Congresslady Barbara Jordan. I don't know what else she stood for, but if you read what she said in the 1990's, you'll be amazed. It'd be like CANDIDATE (not PRES.) Trump on steroids, but a lot more erudite.

    “black Congresslady Barbara Jordan. I don’t know what else she stood for, but if you read what she said in the 1990’s, you’ll be amazed. It’d be like CANDIDATE (not PRES.) Trump on steroids, but a lot more erudite.”

    Wonder if she would’ve held the line or succumbed to diversicrat pressure to be woke had she lived until now?

  149. @Audacious Epigone
    This is an open forum, not a specifically alt right one.

    As I have unequivocally stated and maintained through my nearly 15 years now of blogging, I condemn completely violence and terrorism as means of enacting political or cultural change. Nature red in tooth and claw is not the way any of us should want our societies to be organized, even if we are the likely ostensible 'winners' in such an arrangement.

    There is, unfortunately, no surer way to force this than to silence people.

    I condemn completely violence and terrorism as means of enacting political or cultural change.

    But at the same time you maintain that there cannot be a political solution. I can’t be the only one that sees this contradiction.

    • Replies: @notanon
    non-violent direct action
    , @Audacious Epigone
    I very much do think a non-violent political solution is possible--dissolution is that solution. Irreconcilable differences, etc.
  150. @Talha

    Sri Lanka isn’t in a total war, is it?

     

    Nope, but if it is now open season on “Islamists” in Sri Lanka - no one will complain.

    Likewise, 216 mentioned how boilerplate that manifesto was. This is dangerous territory. If it can be shown that this is “normative” talk among WNs and more of these attacks occur, I can pretty much tell you there are going to be a whole heck of a lot more Ruby Ridge type incidents involving WNs and their families/followers. And very few will care or simply say “good riddance”.

    Peace.

    heck of a lot more Ruby Ridge type incidents involving WNs and their families/followers.

    I think that is more likely that we will go in the direction where the law is not enforced. We will have more situations like the Bundys and Western Lands standoffs, more situations in the cities where the laws prohibiting drugs or untaxed tobacco simply go unenforced.

  151. anon[138] • Disclaimer says:
    @eah
    ...asking respondents if blacks in the US should be able to overcome prejudice

    An extraordinarily disingenuous question/phrasing -- no mention of HBD/IQ, ie extremely relevant factors unrelated to "prejudice" (which is often rational anyway) -- it is impossible to disentangle such questions from overpowering social mores ("racist").

    Many blacks have been in the US longer than the US has been an independent country and yet we not only continue to assert but do so with increasing conviction that blacks need special favors because non-blacks are so debilitatingly prejudicial against them.

    This is poorly worded, but I get what you mean -- eg Liberia has been independent since before CA became a state -- CIA Worldbook Factbook on the economy of Liberia:

    Liberia is a low-income country that relies heavily on foreign assistance and remittances from the diaspora. It is richly endowed with water, mineral resources, forests, and a climate favorable to agriculture.

    …asking respondents if blacks in the US should be able to overcome prejudice

    An extraordinarily disingenuous question/phrasing — no mention of HBD/IQ, ie extremely relevant factors unrelated to “prejudice” (which is often rational anyway) — it is impossible to disentangle such questions from overpowering social mores (“racist”).

    also no mention of black crime, unless that’s covered in “HBD”

  152. @216
    O/T

    Blue Check BlackHate (tm) FOX affiliate reporter makes threats of violence

    https://twitter.com/IkeEjiochi/status/1122323442072788992

    Hit the Report button

    http://www.fox5dc.com/about

    Some places to contact his employers, if you have time to waste

    He must have gotten a whiff of the backlash, as it already appears to have been deleted.

  153. @iffen
    I condemn completely violence and terrorism as means of enacting political or cultural change.

    But at the same time you maintain that there cannot be a political solution. I can't be the only one that sees this contradiction.

    non-violent direct action

  154. @EastKekistani
    What are we going to do if one day in 2040 all members of an ethnic group suddenly dies? If we can't find out the culprit this will indeed escalate into people first starting to preemptively kill rivals and potential rivals....then people preemptively kill neutrals...eventually people will begin to kill everyone else except for some racial, ethnic or religious ingroup. Since the ingroup is also divided into subgroups mass murder using WMD may become how people tend to "settle" conflicts once and for all...until not many humans who truly agree to abandon and forbid further mass murder will be left assuming that there will still be humans left.

    This is just like the Mutiny on the Bounty. The rebels settled on the Pitcairn Island and began to kill each other.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutiny_on_the_Bounty

    If we allow the first instance of this shit to go unpunished this shit will continue until humanity becomes extinct or people will finally stop after very heavy losses.

    If we allow the first instance of this shit to go unpunished

    More likely, can’t find anyone to punish and/or the perps are out of reach.

    this shit will continue until humanity becomes extinct or people will finally stop after very heavy losses.

    Or when there’s no longer any real competition for the groups with the resources to engineer such WMDs.  The bulk of “humanity” doesn’t have the economic clout to build the weapons labs, let alone the high-IQ people to staff them.  Israel may remove most of the Arabs for lebensraum, White Australia types might remove the aborigines as expensive and dangerous nuisances, Han Chinese might remove Europeans and Africans to grab their land and resources.  Aborigines and Africans aren’t going to be doing squat, and Arabs are iffy.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani

    More likely, can’t find anyone to punish and/or the perps are out of reach.
     
    Yep. Hence genocidal Blitzkrieg may become a viable strategy which is very dangerous.

    Or when there’s no longer any real competition for the groups with the resources to engineer such WMDs. The bulk of “humanity” doesn’t have the economic clout to build the weapons labs, let alone the high-IQ people to staff them. Israel may remove most of the Arabs for lebensraum, White Australia types might remove the aborigines as expensive and dangerous nuisances, Han Chinese might remove Europeans and Africans to grab their land and resources. Aborigines and Africans aren’t going to be doing squat, and Arabs are iffy.
     
    It's not really about competition for resources any more as population in high-IQ tribes isn't growing. Instead if it really happens it is going to be a consequence of mutual distrust, that is, worries that others will genocide them unless all these other high-IQ groups are all genocided first. We must make sure that things don't deteriorate to this level which is what I worry about the most.

    A species having multiple high-IQ races can be fortunate and unfortunate. I hope it won't become unfortunate.

    , @EastKekistani

    Israel may remove most of the Arabs for lebensraum
     
    This may cause WWIII because Pakistan probably won't sit there doing nothing. Instead they will probably retaliate against both Israel and the West using nukes.

    White Australia types might remove the aborigines as expensive and dangerous nuisances
     
    This causes a slippery slope as there is currently no shared "non-abo, non-Negroid" identity. If people interpret Australoids as one race among many then if people can exterminate abos and get away with it then for example mestizos will believe that they are the next and may try to take over or ruin America, Canada and Brazil at any cost.

    Extermination of chimpanzees and bonobos while awful isn't going to cause this because the social definition of humanity does not currently include them. There is no shared "Great Apes/Hominid" identity. On the other hand extermination of any group within what is currently known as humans will cause this problem. As a result either this is severely punished or the world will experience depopulation until at most only one race is left existing assuming that it won't cause human extinction.


    Han Chinese might remove Europeans and Africans to grab their land and resources.
     
    This will probably cause the end of humanity. It is a very bad idea. Moreover promotion of such ideas itself will cause it (and the other direction) to be a lot more likely and leads to the scenario I described.

    Aborigines and Africans aren’t going to be doing squat,
     
    Of course.

    and Arabs are iffy.
     
    They are but Persians aren't. Islam is already a religion that can not be wiped out through genocide without causing massive destruction outside Muslim countries because Pakistan has nukes.
  155. @Sin City Milla
    Yes, a type of collective insanity. A young woman I know, when told that SSAs didn't have the wheel until Europeans introduced it, replied "They didn't need wheels." I could have continued with medicine, indoor plumbing, literacy, n electricity, but I would only have gotten the same answer.

    The insanity can be explained this way: Europe was once Christian but lost the faith. Jews picked up what was left of Christianity n re-packaged it as Socialism. Socialism is moribund Christianity burdened by pathological altruism to the point of suicide, n led by Jews, who are happy to have finally found a way to trick whites into destroying themselves.

    what was left of Christianity

    i think it’s more fundamental than that in that i think Christianity molded people genetically to make them more susceptible to morality-based bullying/conformism.

    hence why debating them has to take the same form – moral bullying.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    I'm not sure whether Christianity can evolutionarily select for such traits even though it memetically promote them.
    , @Sin City Milla
    You could be correct. I think almost anything could anchor itself genetically given enough time n selective reproductive pressure. OTOH it could be a virus exercising a peculiar variety of mind control to further its reproductive cycle. Maybe picked up along with domestication of animals or the invention of agriculture. Maybe it's gluten.

    I prefer the explanation of Socialism as moribund n suicidal Xianity, using pathological altruism in a frantic attempt to regain a semblance of the moral superiority which Europe used to have but lost when God died.

    The new Socialist God is Mother Earth. The fewer people there are, the better off is Mother Earth, so Socialists are ready to sacrifice themselves to restore the 'natural' balance of the Earth Mother. Unfortunately, they are just as ready to sacrifice you n me, n half the world's population for that purpose if they ever gain power. Much like the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia. Socialists care about dirt more than people.
  156. @Audacious Epigone
    Why? Isn't that tantamount to throwing a rock at a hornet's nest that you've already laced with insecticide?

    i wasn’t clear. generally when people talk about “race war” it’s in the context of white people starting it and yes i agree the odds of that have always been zero. when i said it will happen i meant from the other direction (mainly in the schools).

  157. @Mr. Rational

    If we allow the first instance of this shit to go unpunished
     
    More likely, can't find anyone to punish and/or the perps are out of reach.

    this shit will continue until humanity becomes extinct or people will finally stop after very heavy losses.
     
    Or when there's no longer any real competition for the groups with the resources to engineer such WMDs.  The bulk of "humanity" doesn't have the economic clout to build the weapons labs, let alone the high-IQ people to staff them.  Israel may remove most of the Arabs for lebensraum, White Australia types might remove the aborigines as expensive and dangerous nuisances, Han Chinese might remove Europeans and Africans to grab their land and resources.  Aborigines and Africans aren't going to be doing squat, and Arabs are iffy.

    More likely, can’t find anyone to punish and/or the perps are out of reach.

    Yep. Hence genocidal Blitzkrieg may become a viable strategy which is very dangerous.

    Or when there’s no longer any real competition for the groups with the resources to engineer such WMDs. The bulk of “humanity” doesn’t have the economic clout to build the weapons labs, let alone the high-IQ people to staff them. Israel may remove most of the Arabs for lebensraum, White Australia types might remove the aborigines as expensive and dangerous nuisances, Han Chinese might remove Europeans and Africans to grab their land and resources. Aborigines and Africans aren’t going to be doing squat, and Arabs are iffy.

    It’s not really about competition for resources any more as population in high-IQ tribes isn’t growing. Instead if it really happens it is going to be a consequence of mutual distrust, that is, worries that others will genocide them unless all these other high-IQ groups are all genocided first. We must make sure that things don’t deteriorate to this level which is what I worry about the most.

    A species having multiple high-IQ races can be fortunate and unfortunate. I hope it won’t become unfortunate.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Outside of SSA, TFRs will be below replacement across nearly the entire globe by mid-century. Restrict the movement of SSAs outside of SSA, and of the "global south" more generally, and there is absolutely no need for genociding anyone.
  158. @Mr. Rational

    If we allow the first instance of this shit to go unpunished
     
    More likely, can't find anyone to punish and/or the perps are out of reach.

    this shit will continue until humanity becomes extinct or people will finally stop after very heavy losses.
     
    Or when there's no longer any real competition for the groups with the resources to engineer such WMDs.  The bulk of "humanity" doesn't have the economic clout to build the weapons labs, let alone the high-IQ people to staff them.  Israel may remove most of the Arabs for lebensraum, White Australia types might remove the aborigines as expensive and dangerous nuisances, Han Chinese might remove Europeans and Africans to grab their land and resources.  Aborigines and Africans aren't going to be doing squat, and Arabs are iffy.

    Israel may remove most of the Arabs for lebensraum

    This may cause WWIII because Pakistan probably won’t sit there doing nothing. Instead they will probably retaliate against both Israel and the West using nukes.

    White Australia types might remove the aborigines as expensive and dangerous nuisances

    This causes a slippery slope as there is currently no shared “non-abo, non-Negroid” identity. If people interpret Australoids as one race among many then if people can exterminate abos and get away with it then for example mestizos will believe that they are the next and may try to take over or ruin America, Canada and Brazil at any cost.

    Extermination of chimpanzees and bonobos while awful isn’t going to cause this because the social definition of humanity does not currently include them. There is no shared “Great Apes/Hominid” identity. On the other hand extermination of any group within what is currently known as humans will cause this problem. As a result either this is severely punished or the world will experience depopulation until at most only one race is left existing assuming that it won’t cause human extinction.

    Han Chinese might remove Europeans and Africans to grab their land and resources.

    This will probably cause the end of humanity. It is a very bad idea. Moreover promotion of such ideas itself will cause it (and the other direction) to be a lot more likely and leads to the scenario I described.

    Aborigines and Africans aren’t going to be doing squat,

    Of course.

    and Arabs are iffy.

    They are but Persians aren’t. Islam is already a religion that can not be wiped out through genocide without causing massive destruction outside Muslim countries because Pakistan has nukes.

  159. @notanon

    what was left of Christianity
     
    i think it's more fundamental than that in that i think Christianity molded people genetically to make them more susceptible to morality-based bullying/conformism.

    hence why debating them has to take the same form - moral bullying.

    I’m not sure whether Christianity can evolutionarily select for such traits even though it memetically promote them.

  160. @Audacious Epigone
    The issue I have with that interpretation is that one white subgroup that is moving *more* towards the "takings coalition" are highly-educated, high-earning SWPLs.

    Is it the Northam/Biden syndrome, where to stay in the good graces of the coalition (for now), one must double down on attacking badwhites?

    What you said would be true. Part of it is inter-white rivalry where goodwhites are showing their moral superiority over badwhites by taking the side of nonwhites. Part of it is throwing the baby out of the sleigh hoping the wolves stop to eat it and thus stop chasing you. Part of it is imbibing liberal ideas as they go through college. Many highly educated high earning whites are actually part of the takings coalition. For example, highly paid white college professors are liberal partly because higher education is heavily subsidized by government. They aren’t making their money from a free market economy. Government sector workers have higher average wages than private sector workers but their high pay won’t cause them to be part of the leave it alone coalition because their high income comes from government wealth transfers. It is not a matter so much of size of income as it is of whether the income is being made in the free market economy.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
  161. @216
    The high expectations of '16 have retreated into a wave of nihilism, exacerbated by continuing public debacles and Administration incompetence veering towards hostility.

    Fringe politics attracts fringe people, and unmoderated chat is near-impossible to police, so I expect it to be shut down at some future point.

    From the brief glimpses of the manifesto, it was boilerplate. That's not a good sign, as it shows a reduction in the thought barrier for additional attacks.

    It appears this temple was protected by an off-duty cop, so we might expect further strengthening of Jewish buildings. Hard targets are usually not attacked, especially by uncoordinated individuals. I doubt the fringe elements can organize multiple attackers, given the easy Fed infiltration of such groups.

    Attacks like these destroy the credibility of our "online censorship" claims.

    Pragmatically, it is a tough situation. At the very least I do hope readers understand the potential problems I’m trying as delicately as possible to get out ahead of.

  162. @216

    The term alt-right is generally so malleable, that it casts a fairly wide net.
     
    My preference is to avoid using that term, relegating it to a time period roughly from its 2010 formation to its 2016 expiration. Since then, its adherants are best described as WN 2.0; which is the presentation it receives in the corporate media.

    I prefer the term Dissident Right, or my own pet terms "the dissident movements" or "our movements". It might also be helpful to appropriate Ben Shapiro's "Intellectual Dark Web", unless that is a trademarked term that could get Unz sued.

    Agree that “alt right” is mostly just a derogatory smear term now, used more frequently by critics to label people they don’t like than by people self-describing as such.

    I like “dissident right”, especially the “dissident” part, on the quaint, quixotic hope that it may embarrass some leftists into confronting the reality that some time ago they stopped “speaking truth to power” in favor of the more comfortable, cost-free “speaking power to truth”.

  163. @216

    The term alt-right is generally so malleable, that it casts a fairly wide net.
     
    My preference is to avoid using that term, relegating it to a time period roughly from its 2010 formation to its 2016 expiration. Since then, its adherants are best described as WN 2.0; which is the presentation it receives in the corporate media.

    I prefer the term Dissident Right, or my own pet terms "the dissident movements" or "our movements". It might also be helpful to appropriate Ben Shapiro's "Intellectual Dark Web", unless that is a trademarked term that could get Unz sued.

    The “intellectual dark web” should get Shapiro sued by Nick Land, who came up with “the dark enlightenment” in 2012.

    • Replies: @216
    https://www.google.com/search?q=intellectual+dark+web&source=lnms&tbm=shop&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiTuv7ip_ThAhUQcq0KHSjLASoQ_AUIESgE&cshid=1556506882169011&biw=1920&bih=963#spd=2785154822180729323

    FWIW, it seems Shapiro never bothered to trademark the term, or else he's uncharateriscially lazy in allowing others to profit off his and Peterson's likeness.

    If he and the others lack intellectual property control of the term, nothing stops our people from appropriating the hashtag, and creating confusion as to whether Shapiro really is alt-right.
  164. @Sin City Milla
    Yes, a type of collective insanity. A young woman I know, when told that SSAs didn't have the wheel until Europeans introduced it, replied "They didn't need wheels." I could have continued with medicine, indoor plumbing, literacy, n electricity, but I would only have gotten the same answer.

    The insanity can be explained this way: Europe was once Christian but lost the faith. Jews picked up what was left of Christianity n re-packaged it as Socialism. Socialism is moribund Christianity burdened by pathological altruism to the point of suicide, n led by Jews, who are happy to have finally found a way to trick whites into destroying themselves.

    I want to believe a population that can be so easily tricked into destroying itself is worthy of preservation, I really do.

    • Replies: @Sin City Milla
    The problem as I see it is not whether Europeans can be tricked, but the fact that 2000 years ago they adopted a religious ideology that separates God from Caesar, that declares that humility n turning the other cheek are values superior to pride n military victory. If the Greeks had believed such nonsense their civilization would have vanished, n Alexander would never have conquered half of Asia. The Romans prevailed until they accepted Xianity.

    Xianity is inseparable from Judaism, even tho Judaism is more similar to Islam than it is to Xianity. Europeans need to jettison ALL semitic religions: Xianity, Judaism, n Islam. The West will not recover until it re-embraces its ancient Greek, Republican Roman, n Aryan roots, n rejects everything Judaic.
    , @notanon
    once upon a time white people used to mortify the flesh as self-punishment for original sin.

    all that's changed is the definition of what the original sin is.

    is guilt adaptive?
  165. @iffen
    I condemn completely violence and terrorism as means of enacting political or cultural change.

    But at the same time you maintain that there cannot be a political solution. I can't be the only one that sees this contradiction.

    I very much do think a non-violent political solution is possible–dissolution is that solution. Irreconcilable differences, etc.

    • Replies: @iffen
    I like “dissident right”

    Why can’t we be more inclusive :) and make room for dissidents from the left, such as myself?

    I will not continue to harangue you with my opinion, but to put faith in peaceful dissolution doesn’t even qualify as pipe dream material. If you think these Pharaohs will let us go peacefully, you are in store for a rude awokening.

    Secondly, on the possibility of a political coalition across race, religious and ethnic boundaries, I remind you that it has only been 80 years since the most un-Godly coalition came together, seized political power, and created the New Deal and for the first time applied the power of government on the side of common folk. Of course, the internal contradictions immediately began an unravelling, but the fat lady didn’t sing the final song until Al Gore failed to keep the white working class in the coalition and the Supreme Court installed Dubya as President.

  166. @EastKekistani

    More likely, can’t find anyone to punish and/or the perps are out of reach.
     
    Yep. Hence genocidal Blitzkrieg may become a viable strategy which is very dangerous.

    Or when there’s no longer any real competition for the groups with the resources to engineer such WMDs. The bulk of “humanity” doesn’t have the economic clout to build the weapons labs, let alone the high-IQ people to staff them. Israel may remove most of the Arabs for lebensraum, White Australia types might remove the aborigines as expensive and dangerous nuisances, Han Chinese might remove Europeans and Africans to grab their land and resources. Aborigines and Africans aren’t going to be doing squat, and Arabs are iffy.
     
    It's not really about competition for resources any more as population in high-IQ tribes isn't growing. Instead if it really happens it is going to be a consequence of mutual distrust, that is, worries that others will genocide them unless all these other high-IQ groups are all genocided first. We must make sure that things don't deteriorate to this level which is what I worry about the most.

    A species having multiple high-IQ races can be fortunate and unfortunate. I hope it won't become unfortunate.

    Outside of SSA, TFRs will be below replacement across nearly the entire globe by mid-century. Restrict the movement of SSAs outside of SSA, and of the “global south” more generally, and there is absolutely no need for genociding anyone.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani

    there is absolutely no need for genociding anyone.
     
    Of course. Nobody said that genocide is necessary in any way.

    The main problem here is whether people will have enough trust not to preemptively genocide other people on the grounds that if they don't kill others first others will kill them first. If we can make sure that this doesn't happen a large part of existential threats of human origins will be gone.
    , @MikeatMikedotMike
    Do you feel that the US should continue providing billions of dollars per year in seized American tax money to countries of Africa?

    The African population bomb is a consequence of western countries supplying food, meds, and infrastructure to the continent. An end to that aid will likely instigate a measure of disease, starvation, and violence unlike the world has ever seen, as the dark continent returns to its natural state of sustainability.

    In my opinion, to answer yes is to prioritize the survival of Africans over Western whites, as Africans will continue to migrate to the west and out breed and subjugate whites at whites' expense.
  167. @Audacious Epigone
    The "intellectual dark web" should get Shapiro sued by Nick Land, who came up with "the dark enlightenment" in 2012.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=intellectual+dark+web&source=lnms&tbm=shop&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiTuv7ip_ThAhUQcq0KHSjLASoQ_AUIESgE&cshid=1556506882169011&biw=1920&bih=963#spd=2785154822180729323

    FWIW, it seems Shapiro never bothered to trademark the term, or else he’s uncharateriscially lazy in allowing others to profit off his and Peterson’s likeness.

    If he and the others lack intellectual property control of the term, nothing stops our people from appropriating the hashtag, and creating confusion as to whether Shapiro really is alt-right.

  168. @Audacious Epigone
    Outside of SSA, TFRs will be below replacement across nearly the entire globe by mid-century. Restrict the movement of SSAs outside of SSA, and of the "global south" more generally, and there is absolutely no need for genociding anyone.

    there is absolutely no need for genociding anyone.

    Of course. Nobody said that genocide is necessary in any way.

    The main problem here is whether people will have enough trust not to preemptively genocide other people on the grounds that if they don’t kill others first others will kill them first. If we can make sure that this doesn’t happen a large part of existential threats of human origins will be gone.

  169. I am fine with a wall, and a complete moratorium for five years.

    I think black people who support easing immigration don’t have a good grasp of this issue historically.
    ———————————

    note: On the matter of whether blacks should overcome discrimination. It’s a bit obtuse to consider because the cause of the discrimination is black skin. That’s a benign biological train they have no control over.

  170. @notanon

    what was left of Christianity
     
    i think it's more fundamental than that in that i think Christianity molded people genetically to make them more susceptible to morality-based bullying/conformism.

    hence why debating them has to take the same form - moral bullying.

    You could be correct. I think almost anything could anchor itself genetically given enough time n selective reproductive pressure. OTOH it could be a virus exercising a peculiar variety of mind control to further its reproductive cycle. Maybe picked up along with domestication of animals or the invention of agriculture. Maybe it’s gluten.

    I prefer the explanation of Socialism as moribund n suicidal Xianity, using pathological altruism in a frantic attempt to regain a semblance of the moral superiority which Europe used to have but lost when God died.

    The new Socialist God is Mother Earth. The fewer people there are, the better off is Mother Earth, so Socialists are ready to sacrifice themselves to restore the ‘natural’ balance of the Earth Mother. Unfortunately, they are just as ready to sacrifice you n me, n half the world’s population for that purpose if they ever gain power. Much like the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia. Socialists care about dirt more than people.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    They are much more willing to sacrifice you and me than they are to sacrifice themselves!
  171. @Audacious Epigone
    I want to believe a population that can be so easily tricked into destroying itself is worthy of preservation, I really do.

    The problem as I see it is not whether Europeans can be tricked, but the fact that 2000 years ago they adopted a religious ideology that separates God from Caesar, that declares that humility n turning the other cheek are values superior to pride n military victory. If the Greeks had believed such nonsense their civilization would have vanished, n Alexander would never have conquered half of Asia. The Romans prevailed until they accepted Xianity.

    Xianity is inseparable from Judaism, even tho Judaism is more similar to Islam than it is to Xianity. Europeans need to jettison ALL semitic religions: Xianity, Judaism, n Islam. The West will not recover until it re-embraces its ancient Greek, Republican Roman, n Aryan roots, n rejects everything Judaic.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "Xianity is inseparable from Judaism, even tho Judaism is more similar to Islam than it is to Xianity. Europeans need to jettison ALL semitic religions: Xianity, Judaism, n Islam. The West will not recover until it re-embraces its ancient Greek, Republican Roman, n Aryan roots, n rejects everything Judaic."

    Christianity is the bedrock of Western Civilization, according to leading thinkers on the Alt Right (Vox Day in particular).

    Besides, why ought tens of millions of white people abandon their faith just because YOU insist that they ought to distance themselves completely from "everything Judaic"?

    Are you not simply offering your opinion here?
    , @Audacious Epigone
    Greece, Rome, Christendom, and the Enlightenment are all fundamental elements of what makes the West the West. Jettisoning some number of them is not going to turn things around, I don't think.
  172. ” . . . and yet we not only continue to assert but do so with increasing conviction that blacks need special favors because non-blacks are so debilitatingly prejudicial against them.”

    That’s not the argument. And if one is going to tackle the matter, then having the right argument might help. The argument is that the country developed in such a way as to marginalize the black population that it has normalized discrimination against them. The “debilitation” if one exists does not have to be conscious, but one of common practice.

    And unfortunately, blacks can point a mountain of socialization processes an d practices that were long standing long after they were no longer legal – though there is plenty of argument said practices were never legal to start with.

    the response that “jom crow” is over get over it, ignores the reality that across the country “jim crow” was practice in not so obvious ways — based on skin color.

    Skin color, not language, skin color not behavior, skin color not culture, skin color, not religion . . .
    and of the other variables can be changed and modified to fit in, assimilate – color is another issue.

  173. ” Greeks had believed such nonsense their civilization would have vanished, n Alexander would never have conquered half of Asia. The Romans prevailed until they accepted Xianity.”

    Nonsense the Greeks as empire passed because Alexander over extended his resources to the task, poorly managed what he won and left no successors.

    The Romans adopted Christianity long after they had begun to dissolve, in fact the use of faith was for the purpose in part to hold the empire in place.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    I'm just a rank amateur, but the Gibbon idea that Christianity doomed the Roman empire has always struck me as odd. The empire was not Christian during the crisis of the third century, when the empire nearly collapsed into multiple kingdoms effectively ruled by warlords. Diocletian, who was anti-Christian, brought stability, but he also shared power with a pro-Christian member of the tetrachy, and then that member's son ended up effectively unifying the empire under Christianity. Constantine's rule was arguably the empire's high point after the collapse of the Severan's--or even the high point after the ending of the five good emperors following Marcus Aurelius' death.
    , @Sin City Milla
    A strange view. After Alexander, the Greeks governed as a ruling class in SW Asia n Iran n Central Asia n part of India for most of 600 years, only swept away by Islam after 632. That seems like impressive staying power to me. Last I looked, Alexander never heard of Jesus.

    Rome did even better, growing steadily for 800 years with no need of Christianity. I never said that Christianity 'caused' Rome's collapse. I also don't buy Gibbon's thesis. IMO Rome's collapse occurred due to opening trade routes to East Africa n India which brought contagious diseases into the overpopulated Mediterranean, probably smallpox, bubonic plague, n a primordial form of chicken pox that was far more lethal than today's variety. These struck in 166, again in the 3rd century, n again in 532 or thereabouts. These repeated epidemics depopulated the Mediterranean basin, leaving Rome without enough labor or trained talent to maintain the empire. Rome city declined from 500,000 people to 5,000 by 476 AD. Read Plagues and Peoples.

    Christianity was a reaction to the collapse, but by itself could do little to change things. It preached turning one's back on a corrupted world n living for the next, so, even tho medieval Christians did a pretty job defending their rump states from Muslim attacks, it took centuries before they became strong enough to mount the Crusades. Still there remains a pacifist element in Christianity that a thousand years later has completely predominated. The fact is that Christianity is played out, defunct, no longer capable of defending itself n has no desire to.
  174. @Audacious Epigone
    Outside of SSA, TFRs will be below replacement across nearly the entire globe by mid-century. Restrict the movement of SSAs outside of SSA, and of the "global south" more generally, and there is absolutely no need for genociding anyone.

    Do you feel that the US should continue providing billions of dollars per year in seized American tax money to countries of Africa?

    The African population bomb is a consequence of western countries supplying food, meds, and infrastructure to the continent. An end to that aid will likely instigate a measure of disease, starvation, and violence unlike the world has ever seen, as the dark continent returns to its natural state of sustainability.

    In my opinion, to answer yes is to prioritize the survival of Africans over Western whites, as Africans will continue to migrate to the west and out breed and subjugate whites at whites’ expense.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Emphatically, no.
  175. @Audacious Epigone
    I very much do think a non-violent political solution is possible--dissolution is that solution. Irreconcilable differences, etc.

    I like “dissident right”

    Why can’t we be more inclusive 🙂 and make room for dissidents from the left, such as myself?

    I will not continue to harangue you with my opinion, but to put faith in peaceful dissolution doesn’t even qualify as pipe dream material. If you think these Pharaohs will let us go peacefully, you are in store for a rude awokening.

    Secondly, on the possibility of a political coalition across race, religious and ethnic boundaries, I remind you that it has only been 80 years since the most un-Godly coalition came together, seized political power, and created the New Deal and for the first time applied the power of government on the side of common folk. Of course, the internal contradictions immediately began an unravelling, but the fat lady didn’t sing the final song until Al Gore failed to keep the white working class in the coalition and the Supreme Court installed Dubya as President.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    "Dissidents" is fine with me. You're welcome in my tent anytime.

    The idea that the Soviet Union's dissolution would be peaceful was virtually unthinkable a decade before it happened. Yet it did.
    , @EastKekistani

    Secondly, on the possibility of a political coalition across race, religious and ethnic boundaries, I remind you that it has only been 80 years since the most un-Godly coalition came together, seized political power, and created the New Deal and for the first time applied the power of government on the side of common folk. Of course, the internal contradictions immediately began an unravelling, but the fat lady didn’t sing the final song until Al Gore failed to keep the white working class in the coalition and the Supreme Court installed Dubya as President.
     
    You can indeed try to bridge the difference between whites and Negroids & mestizos. White Americans tried segregation and it didn't work. White Brazilians tried widespread miscegenation and assimilation and it didn't work either. Of course you can still try for it is your land. I just don't think you can get anywhere.

    However I'm just not interested in my race getting involved in any such experiment any more. Chinese and Japanese people whose ancestors emigrated to Latin America do not do as well as the people in NE Asian-majority countries. They produced some entrepreneurs, politicians and sportsmen but almost no STEM researchers. It is a degeneration. Moreover some have been lost to miscegenation with mestizos & mulattos and got infected with degenerate tropical traits. The same may be happening in places such as Mauritius. I'm currently not sure though.

    We will just leave in order not to be entangled in the mess after the commies are gone. On our lands any form of multiracialism will of course have to be on our terms which obviously includes a meritocratic system and zero coddling. White and Indian STEM folks will of course continue to be allowed in Hong Kong and Singapore. Refugees from certain countries? LOL nope.

    Fun fact: The amount of Japanese-born and South Korea-born people in America are already not increasing....

  176. @Audacious Epigone
    I want to believe a population that can be so easily tricked into destroying itself is worthy of preservation, I really do.

    once upon a time white people used to mortify the flesh as self-punishment for original sin.

    all that’s changed is the definition of what the original sin is.

    is guilt adaptive?

    • Replies: @EastKekistani

    once upon a time white people used to mortify the flesh as self-punishment for original sin.

    all that’s changed is the definition of what the original sin is.

    is guilt adaptive?
     

    Individually? Probably not unless you take into account the fact that some forms of self-punishment are actually accidentally discipline or healthy practices. For example some mild forms of fasting can actually be healthy even though the idea of self-punishment is very unhealthy.

    This may have strengthened tribes though.

    , @Audacious Epigone
    Contemporarily? Based on TFRs, I'd guess not.
  177. @Sin City Milla
    The problem as I see it is not whether Europeans can be tricked, but the fact that 2000 years ago they adopted a religious ideology that separates God from Caesar, that declares that humility n turning the other cheek are values superior to pride n military victory. If the Greeks had believed such nonsense their civilization would have vanished, n Alexander would never have conquered half of Asia. The Romans prevailed until they accepted Xianity.

    Xianity is inseparable from Judaism, even tho Judaism is more similar to Islam than it is to Xianity. Europeans need to jettison ALL semitic religions: Xianity, Judaism, n Islam. The West will not recover until it re-embraces its ancient Greek, Republican Roman, n Aryan roots, n rejects everything Judaic.

    “Xianity is inseparable from Judaism, even tho Judaism is more similar to Islam than it is to Xianity. Europeans need to jettison ALL semitic religions: Xianity, Judaism, n Islam. The West will not recover until it re-embraces its ancient Greek, Republican Roman, n Aryan roots, n rejects everything Judaic.”

    Christianity is the bedrock of Western Civilization, according to leading thinkers on the Alt Right (Vox Day in particular).

    Besides, why ought tens of millions of white people abandon their faith just because YOU insist that they ought to distance themselves completely from “everything Judaic”?

    Are you not simply offering your opinion here?

    • Replies: @Sin City Milla
    Of course I'm simply offering my opinion. I don't 'do' group projects.

    I have no problem with true Christians, but in my book that means true Christian warriors, not fake Christians, pacifists, n Socialists who are merely suicide squads like in Monty Python's Life of Brian who seemed about to rescue Brian from the cross, but then pulled out their swords n killed themselves saying: 'this will show those Romans!'

    Franco's Phalangists n the Catholic Maronites in Lebanon were true Christians, they fielded actual Christian armies who were willing to fight n die, just as the Templars defended Malta to the death from Muslim Turks in 1565. What megachurch in the US is willing to send soldiers to fight for the West? None, they're too busy kissing Israel's *ss, endorsing abortion n gay marriage, n providing sanctuary for virulently anti-Western migrants.

    It's time to say RIP for Christianity. It's gone. It's time to return to more fundamental a bedrock. And actually, I'm not alone in this view. Many European nationalists have come to this view. But I'm only voicing my own.
  178. @notanon
    once upon a time white people used to mortify the flesh as self-punishment for original sin.

    all that's changed is the definition of what the original sin is.

    is guilt adaptive?

    once upon a time white people used to mortify the flesh as self-punishment for original sin.

    all that’s changed is the definition of what the original sin is.

    is guilt adaptive?

    Individually? Probably not unless you take into account the fact that some forms of self-punishment are actually accidentally discipline or healthy practices. For example some mild forms of fasting can actually be healthy even though the idea of self-punishment is very unhealthy.

    This may have strengthened tribes though.

    • Replies: @notanon

    This may have strengthened tribes though.
     
    yes, i think it's both a strength and a weakness.

    guilt is great for social cohesion if you have a benign elite deciding what people should feel guilty about

    but a terrible weakness if you don't.

    templars for the win.
  179. “Secondly, on the possibility of a political coalition across race, religious and ethnic boundaries, I remind you that it has only been 80 years since the most un-Godly coalition came together, seized political power, and created the New Deal and for the first time applied the power of government on the side of common folk.”

    You do realize that blacks were partitioned out of the New Deal era distributions. Best example, take a look at NYC history and Mayor La Guardia’s speech to black churches.

  180. @EastKekistani

    once upon a time white people used to mortify the flesh as self-punishment for original sin.

    all that’s changed is the definition of what the original sin is.

    is guilt adaptive?
     

    Individually? Probably not unless you take into account the fact that some forms of self-punishment are actually accidentally discipline or healthy practices. For example some mild forms of fasting can actually be healthy even though the idea of self-punishment is very unhealthy.

    This may have strengthened tribes though.

    This may have strengthened tribes though.

    yes, i think it’s both a strength and a weakness.

    guilt is great for social cohesion if you have a benign elite deciding what people should feel guilty about

    but a terrible weakness if you don’t.

    templars for the win.

  181. @216

    The term alt-right is generally so malleable, that it casts a fairly wide net.
     
    My preference is to avoid using that term, relegating it to a time period roughly from its 2010 formation to its 2016 expiration. Since then, its adherants are best described as WN 2.0; which is the presentation it receives in the corporate media.

    I prefer the term Dissident Right, or my own pet terms "the dissident movements" or "our movements". It might also be helpful to appropriate Ben Shapiro's "Intellectual Dark Web", unless that is a trademarked term that could get Unz sued.

    Who is Ben Schapiro?

    • Replies: @notanon
    he's the leader of the alt-right
  182. @LondonBob
    Who is Ben Schapiro?

    he’s the leader of the alt-right

  183. @Sin City Milla
    You could be correct. I think almost anything could anchor itself genetically given enough time n selective reproductive pressure. OTOH it could be a virus exercising a peculiar variety of mind control to further its reproductive cycle. Maybe picked up along with domestication of animals or the invention of agriculture. Maybe it's gluten.

    I prefer the explanation of Socialism as moribund n suicidal Xianity, using pathological altruism in a frantic attempt to regain a semblance of the moral superiority which Europe used to have but lost when God died.

    The new Socialist God is Mother Earth. The fewer people there are, the better off is Mother Earth, so Socialists are ready to sacrifice themselves to restore the 'natural' balance of the Earth Mother. Unfortunately, they are just as ready to sacrifice you n me, n half the world's population for that purpose if they ever gain power. Much like the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia. Socialists care about dirt more than people.

    They are much more willing to sacrifice you and me than they are to sacrifice themselves!

    • Replies: @Sin City Milla
    Quite so. But among the PC Cult, whites have the lowest status in its melanin-based hierarchy. They have to act as 'white knights' on behalf of the Cult in order to prove they are not 'racist', which means acting as cannon fodder for Antifa. Their 'sacrifices' tho will only postpone the inevitable. The Cult will eventually turn on them too, the Left will eat its own. Stalin's purges should be an object lesson for such useful idiots, but of course no one studies actual history any more, least of all PC cultists.
  184. @Sin City Milla
    The problem as I see it is not whether Europeans can be tricked, but the fact that 2000 years ago they adopted a religious ideology that separates God from Caesar, that declares that humility n turning the other cheek are values superior to pride n military victory. If the Greeks had believed such nonsense their civilization would have vanished, n Alexander would never have conquered half of Asia. The Romans prevailed until they accepted Xianity.

    Xianity is inseparable from Judaism, even tho Judaism is more similar to Islam than it is to Xianity. Europeans need to jettison ALL semitic religions: Xianity, Judaism, n Islam. The West will not recover until it re-embraces its ancient Greek, Republican Roman, n Aryan roots, n rejects everything Judaic.

    Greece, Rome, Christendom, and the Enlightenment are all fundamental elements of what makes the West the West. Jettisoning some number of them is not going to turn things around, I don’t think.

    • Replies: @Sin City Milla
    I understand this n there are very good arguments for saying that the rise of the West (Spengler's Faustian concept) owed much to Christianity. But Christianity is defunct, even the Pope is busily denouncing it, while Protestant preachers endorse gay marriage and late term abortion for convenience. What Christianity once contributed has devolved into pathological altruism with suicidal social values, values that have always been there below the surface, including a streak of pacifism n an intrinsic blind spot to Jewish tribalism.

    When 'Christians' no longer defend Western Civ from Muslim incursions but embrace such incursions, it's time to dump it n return to the more fundamental bedrock of West Civ: Greece, Rome, Celts, Germans, Slavs, IOW Europe's primordial militant Aryan culture. They never caved to Persian, Turkish, or Semitic aggression.
  185. @EliteCommInc.
    " Greeks had believed such nonsense their civilization would have vanished, n Alexander would never have conquered half of Asia. The Romans prevailed until they accepted Xianity."

    Nonsense the Greeks as empire passed because Alexander over extended his resources to the task, poorly managed what he won and left no successors.

    The Romans adopted Christianity long after they had begun to dissolve, in fact the use of faith was for the purpose in part to hold the empire in place.

    I’m just a rank amateur, but the Gibbon idea that Christianity doomed the Roman empire has always struck me as odd. The empire was not Christian during the crisis of the third century, when the empire nearly collapsed into multiple kingdoms effectively ruled by warlords. Diocletian, who was anti-Christian, brought stability, but he also shared power with a pro-Christian member of the tetrachy, and then that member’s son ended up effectively unifying the empire under Christianity. Constantine’s rule was arguably the empire’s high point after the collapse of the Severan’s–or even the high point after the ending of the five good emperors following Marcus Aurelius’ death.

    • Replies: @EliteCommInc.
    Those darn christians and jesus bringing civility to every jagged edged blade. It's just so many focus on the jagged edges. Jags and twists of brutality long before Christ entered the scene.

    I agree it strikes me as odd as well.
  186. @MikeatMikedotMike
    Do you feel that the US should continue providing billions of dollars per year in seized American tax money to countries of Africa?

    The African population bomb is a consequence of western countries supplying food, meds, and infrastructure to the continent. An end to that aid will likely instigate a measure of disease, starvation, and violence unlike the world has ever seen, as the dark continent returns to its natural state of sustainability.

    In my opinion, to answer yes is to prioritize the survival of Africans over Western whites, as Africans will continue to migrate to the west and out breed and subjugate whites at whites' expense.

    Emphatically, no.

  187. @iffen
    I like “dissident right”

    Why can’t we be more inclusive :) and make room for dissidents from the left, such as myself?

    I will not continue to harangue you with my opinion, but to put faith in peaceful dissolution doesn’t even qualify as pipe dream material. If you think these Pharaohs will let us go peacefully, you are in store for a rude awokening.

    Secondly, on the possibility of a political coalition across race, religious and ethnic boundaries, I remind you that it has only been 80 years since the most un-Godly coalition came together, seized political power, and created the New Deal and for the first time applied the power of government on the side of common folk. Of course, the internal contradictions immediately began an unravelling, but the fat lady didn’t sing the final song until Al Gore failed to keep the white working class in the coalition and the Supreme Court installed Dubya as President.

    “Dissidents” is fine with me. You’re welcome in my tent anytime.

    The idea that the Soviet Union’s dissolution would be peaceful was virtually unthinkable a decade before it happened. Yet it did.

    • Agree: Talha
    • Replies: @LondonBob
    Not completely bloodless, and relies on clear borders that reflect the ethnic reality on the ground, been a number of border wars from Abkhazia, the Donbass, Ossetia to Nagorno Karabakh. The US is too jumbled and more resembles Yugoslavia.
    , @iffen
    The idea that the Soviet Union’s dissolution would be peaceful was virtually unthinkable a decade before it happened. Yet it did.

    (Ukraine, Chechnya, Georgia ...)

    True, but it was obvious that an empire would eventually dissolve into long established constituent parts one way or another. It is not obvious that a country like the US will dissolve.
  188. @notanon
    once upon a time white people used to mortify the flesh as self-punishment for original sin.

    all that's changed is the definition of what the original sin is.

    is guilt adaptive?

    Contemporarily? Based on TFRs, I’d guess not.

  189. @iffen
    I like “dissident right”

    Why can’t we be more inclusive :) and make room for dissidents from the left, such as myself?

    I will not continue to harangue you with my opinion, but to put faith in peaceful dissolution doesn’t even qualify as pipe dream material. If you think these Pharaohs will let us go peacefully, you are in store for a rude awokening.

    Secondly, on the possibility of a political coalition across race, religious and ethnic boundaries, I remind you that it has only been 80 years since the most un-Godly coalition came together, seized political power, and created the New Deal and for the first time applied the power of government on the side of common folk. Of course, the internal contradictions immediately began an unravelling, but the fat lady didn’t sing the final song until Al Gore failed to keep the white working class in the coalition and the Supreme Court installed Dubya as President.

    Secondly, on the possibility of a political coalition across race, religious and ethnic boundaries, I remind you that it has only been 80 years since the most un-Godly coalition came together, seized political power, and created the New Deal and for the first time applied the power of government on the side of common folk. Of course, the internal contradictions immediately began an unravelling, but the fat lady didn’t sing the final song until Al Gore failed to keep the white working class in the coalition and the Supreme Court installed Dubya as President.

    You can indeed try to bridge the difference between whites and Negroids & mestizos. White Americans tried segregation and it didn’t work. White Brazilians tried widespread miscegenation and assimilation and it didn’t work either. Of course you can still try for it is your land. I just don’t think you can get anywhere.

    However I’m just not interested in my race getting involved in any such experiment any more. Chinese and Japanese people whose ancestors emigrated to Latin America do not do as well as the people in NE Asian-majority countries. They produced some entrepreneurs, politicians and sportsmen but almost no STEM researchers. It is a degeneration. Moreover some have been lost to miscegenation with mestizos & mulattos and got infected with degenerate tropical traits. The same may be happening in places such as Mauritius. I’m currently not sure though.

    We will just leave in order not to be entangled in the mess after the commies are gone. On our lands any form of multiracialism will of course have to be on our terms which obviously includes a meritocratic system and zero coddling. White and Indian STEM folks will of course continue to be allowed in Hong Kong and Singapore. Refugees from certain countries? LOL nope.

    Fun fact: The amount of Japanese-born and South Korea-born people in America are already not increasing….

    • Replies: @Tungarian
    LOL Kekistani

    Singapore is already lost to your Chinese brethren. There are a plethora of blogs where many Singaporean (Chinese) nationalists are bemoaning the fact that Singapore is slipping under their feet to the Indians and they can do nothing about it (the price SPG has to pay for being a loyal outpost of the US Empire). Denk and DB Cooper here sure seem to be bitter SPG nationalists who feel inundated with the HinPooh tsunami there. It even had an Indian style riot a couple years back isn't it? Wait till the more barbaric and brutal northern Indians (the ones who are a couple shades lighter than your average south Indian) arrive en masse from Uttar Pradesh. That'll be one heck of a PAAARTTY in singapore, just like it is in the streets of New Delhi late at night (eve teasing ;)?? get a clue). On average, they are much more criminally inclined than the dark southern Indians and love them a bit of fun!!.

    The Empire is currently betting on the HinPoohs against the Chinamen which is why you see the Indian ascendance in the US as well along with all the sweet things it brings like ethnic nepotism of the worst kind, racist attitudes against anyone not one of them and pompous snubbery from higher caste hinpoohs in the US who want multi-racialism and "increased" legal immigration (Indian immigration) to the US while wanting and working for Hindu nationalism in India [such hypocrites]

    , @iffen
    Fun fact: The amount of Japanese-born and South Korea-born people in America are already not increasing….

    Could that be because they can stay home and be right at home?
    , @Mr. Rational

    White Americans tried segregation and it didn’t work.
     
    What do you mean, "it didn't work"?  White Americans demanded it nationwide (Oregon forbade the residency of Africans, for pete's sake!) and it only "stopped working" when it was outlawed by a vote of a handful of black-robed tyrants.

    Segregation was White America's way to avoid having to suffer from the dysfunctions of blacks.  Since Brown vs. Board and other decisions, White America has had exactly one response left:  run away.  We have run out of places to run to.  The next step is killing the problem when it follows us (the problem already kills us with near-impunity).
  190. “The following graphs show the percentages of respondents, by race and by year, who have said immigration should either be increased or be reduced.”

    Note that ‘white’ includes Berbers, Arabs, Jews, Turks and others. People from those groups are generally pro-immigration, and at least the Muslim ones have a lot of kids. The ‘white’ population in the USA is not what it used to be, and it certainly isn’t a monolithic block of European-derived peoples.

  191. @EastKekistani

    Secondly, on the possibility of a political coalition across race, religious and ethnic boundaries, I remind you that it has only been 80 years since the most un-Godly coalition came together, seized political power, and created the New Deal and for the first time applied the power of government on the side of common folk. Of course, the internal contradictions immediately began an unravelling, but the fat lady didn’t sing the final song until Al Gore failed to keep the white working class in the coalition and the Supreme Court installed Dubya as President.
     
    You can indeed try to bridge the difference between whites and Negroids & mestizos. White Americans tried segregation and it didn't work. White Brazilians tried widespread miscegenation and assimilation and it didn't work either. Of course you can still try for it is your land. I just don't think you can get anywhere.

    However I'm just not interested in my race getting involved in any such experiment any more. Chinese and Japanese people whose ancestors emigrated to Latin America do not do as well as the people in NE Asian-majority countries. They produced some entrepreneurs, politicians and sportsmen but almost no STEM researchers. It is a degeneration. Moreover some have been lost to miscegenation with mestizos & mulattos and got infected with degenerate tropical traits. The same may be happening in places such as Mauritius. I'm currently not sure though.

    We will just leave in order not to be entangled in the mess after the commies are gone. On our lands any form of multiracialism will of course have to be on our terms which obviously includes a meritocratic system and zero coddling. White and Indian STEM folks will of course continue to be allowed in Hong Kong and Singapore. Refugees from certain countries? LOL nope.

    Fun fact: The amount of Japanese-born and South Korea-born people in America are already not increasing....

    LOL Kekistani

    Singapore is already lost to your Chinese brethren. There are a plethora of blogs where many Singaporean (Chinese) nationalists are bemoaning the fact that Singapore is slipping under their feet to the Indians and they can do nothing about it (the price SPG has to pay for being a loyal outpost of the US Empire). Denk and DB Cooper here sure seem to be bitter SPG nationalists who feel inundated with the HinPooh tsunami there. It even had an Indian style riot a couple years back isn’t it? Wait till the more barbaric and brutal northern Indians (the ones who are a couple shades lighter than your average south Indian) arrive en masse from Uttar Pradesh. That’ll be one heck of a PAAARTTY in singapore, just like it is in the streets of New Delhi late at night (eve teasing ;)?? get a clue). On average, they are much more criminally inclined than the dark southern Indians and love them a bit of fun!!.

    The Empire is currently betting on the HinPoohs against the Chinamen which is why you see the Indian ascendance in the US as well along with all the sweet things it brings like ethnic nepotism of the worst kind, racist attitudes against anyone not one of them and pompous snubbery from higher caste hinpoohs in the US who want multi-racialism and “increased” legal immigration (Indian immigration) to the US while wanting and working for Hindu nationalism in India [such hypocrites]

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    Well, we can't fight against Indians for the same reason why we can't fight against whites: I don't want a nuclear WWIII and human extinction. Any issue between nuclear-capable tribes needs to be resolved via negotiation. We can sign a deal about Singapore, Malaysia, Fiji and Nagaland with Indians.

    Moreover I would rather have Uttar Pradeshis and Biharis enter Singapore compared to Malays and Indonesians. Currently most Indians in SG are Dravidian Tamils though.

    Please tell me more about North India. I know that it has people with lighter skin, is poor compared to Tamil Nadu and is Hindi-speaking. What else? At least they have an ancient civilization and aren't Negroids. Do you really want nuclear-capable tribes to kill each other and cause the entire world to be filled with Negroids, mestizos, Australoids etc?

    , @Audacious Epigone
    Hindu nationalism does not seem very popular among Indians in the US in my experience. They seem to be about as embarrassed about it as an American hipster living Europe is about Trump in America. No?
  192. @Tungarian
    LOL Kekistani

    Singapore is already lost to your Chinese brethren. There are a plethora of blogs where many Singaporean (Chinese) nationalists are bemoaning the fact that Singapore is slipping under their feet to the Indians and they can do nothing about it (the price SPG has to pay for being a loyal outpost of the US Empire). Denk and DB Cooper here sure seem to be bitter SPG nationalists who feel inundated with the HinPooh tsunami there. It even had an Indian style riot a couple years back isn't it? Wait till the more barbaric and brutal northern Indians (the ones who are a couple shades lighter than your average south Indian) arrive en masse from Uttar Pradesh. That'll be one heck of a PAAARTTY in singapore, just like it is in the streets of New Delhi late at night (eve teasing ;)?? get a clue). On average, they are much more criminally inclined than the dark southern Indians and love them a bit of fun!!.

    The Empire is currently betting on the HinPoohs against the Chinamen which is why you see the Indian ascendance in the US as well along with all the sweet things it brings like ethnic nepotism of the worst kind, racist attitudes against anyone not one of them and pompous snubbery from higher caste hinpoohs in the US who want multi-racialism and "increased" legal immigration (Indian immigration) to the US while wanting and working for Hindu nationalism in India [such hypocrites]

    Well, we can’t fight against Indians for the same reason why we can’t fight against whites: I don’t want a nuclear WWIII and human extinction. Any issue between nuclear-capable tribes needs to be resolved via negotiation. We can sign a deal about Singapore, Malaysia, Fiji and Nagaland with Indians.

    Moreover I would rather have Uttar Pradeshis and Biharis enter Singapore compared to Malays and Indonesians. Currently most Indians in SG are Dravidian Tamils though.

    Please tell me more about North India. I know that it has people with lighter skin, is poor compared to Tamil Nadu and is Hindi-speaking. What else? At least they have an ancient civilization and aren’t Negroids. Do you really want nuclear-capable tribes to kill each other and cause the entire world to be filled with Negroids, mestizos, Australoids etc?

    • Replies: @Tungarian

    Well, we can’t fight against Indians for the same reason why we can’t fight against whites: I don’t want a nuclear WWIII and human extinction.
     
    That's a couple notches down from

    On our lands any form of multiracialism will of course have to be on our terms which obviously includes a meritocratic system and zero coddling
     
    Unlike the Malays and the Indonesians, Indians are an 'upwardly mobile' people not content on picking from the sides. They've doen the UK in [along with their paki cousins] and many of them are literally becoming mayors of many towns.Who wants to bet they will make it even easier for their brethren to get ever more visas to the UK and turn what is left of formerly great formerly britain into a part of their desi heaven back home?

    They will dominate and they will push your Chinese folks aside and then you sure would do nothing more than sulk about it like denk and many others of his ilk do. They've already sidelined most US whites in tech and almost control the industry under the tutelage of their long nosed betters [often exclusively hiring their own unless you happen to be a juicy white woman with a pert top and a heavy bottom, an Indian fetish it seems, thirsty as they are for the white wahmen]. They plan on doing this to Finance too but there the nose is not easy to beat.

    Heck I'd love to see Benares style pool splashs and the subsequent grabbings and pullings and all that it entails conducted in one of the many waterways in downtown SPG. Add to that the beautiful feeling of sitting doing your business by the sea as the cool breeze caresses your face. Perfecto!

    Uttar pradesh and especially bihar are often in the news for their top notch hygiene, rule of law and the general docile temperament and extensive research faculties. I would want tons of them to move to SPG and enjoy the shitshow from the sidelines. After all we've been done into as well. Why not let the China-men have a bit of fun as well? ;)

  193. @EastKekistani
    Well, we can't fight against Indians for the same reason why we can't fight against whites: I don't want a nuclear WWIII and human extinction. Any issue between nuclear-capable tribes needs to be resolved via negotiation. We can sign a deal about Singapore, Malaysia, Fiji and Nagaland with Indians.

    Moreover I would rather have Uttar Pradeshis and Biharis enter Singapore compared to Malays and Indonesians. Currently most Indians in SG are Dravidian Tamils though.

    Please tell me more about North India. I know that it has people with lighter skin, is poor compared to Tamil Nadu and is Hindi-speaking. What else? At least they have an ancient civilization and aren't Negroids. Do you really want nuclear-capable tribes to kill each other and cause the entire world to be filled with Negroids, mestizos, Australoids etc?

    Well, we can’t fight against Indians for the same reason why we can’t fight against whites: I don’t want a nuclear WWIII and human extinction.

    That’s a couple notches down from

    On our lands any form of multiracialism will of course have to be on our terms which obviously includes a meritocratic system and zero coddling

    Unlike the Malays and the Indonesians, Indians are an ‘upwardly mobile’ people not content on picking from the sides. They’ve doen the UK in [along with their paki cousins] and many of them are literally becoming mayors of many towns.Who wants to bet they will make it even easier for their brethren to get ever more visas to the UK and turn what is left of formerly great formerly britain into a part of their desi heaven back home?

    They will dominate and they will push your Chinese folks aside and then you sure would do nothing more than sulk about it like denk and many others of his ilk do. They’ve already sidelined most US whites in tech and almost control the industry under the tutelage of their long nosed betters [often exclusively hiring their own unless you happen to be a juicy white woman with a pert top and a heavy bottom, an Indian fetish it seems, thirsty as they are for the white wahmen]. They plan on doing this to Finance too but there the nose is not easy to beat.

    Heck I’d love to see Benares style pool splashs and the subsequent grabbings and pullings and all that it entails conducted in one of the many waterways in downtown SPG. Add to that the beautiful feeling of sitting doing your business by the sea as the cool breeze caresses your face. Perfecto!

    Uttar pradesh and especially bihar are often in the news for their top notch hygiene, rule of law and the general docile temperament and extensive research faculties. I would want tons of them to move to SPG and enjoy the shitshow from the sidelines. After all we’ve been done into as well. Why not let the China-men have a bit of fun as well? 😉

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    Well, we need separate racial spheres of influence precisely because there are multiple upwardly mobile races. People from multiple races don't mix into a single tribe easily unlike people from different ethnic groups in the same race. Without separate spheres we will all compete for the same ecological niches...everywhere. On the other hand a world with only whites, mestizos and Negroids does not need that. A de facto caste system is already sufficient.

    Like..if they recognize Singapore as ours we will not intervene in whatever they do in Bhutan. If they recognize Fiji and Malaysia as a part of the NE Asian racial sphere of influence we will stay out of Kenya and Uganda.

    What else do you think should be done?

  194. @Tungarian

    Well, we can’t fight against Indians for the same reason why we can’t fight against whites: I don’t want a nuclear WWIII and human extinction.
     
    That's a couple notches down from

    On our lands any form of multiracialism will of course have to be on our terms which obviously includes a meritocratic system and zero coddling
     
    Unlike the Malays and the Indonesians, Indians are an 'upwardly mobile' people not content on picking from the sides. They've doen the UK in [along with their paki cousins] and many of them are literally becoming mayors of many towns.Who wants to bet they will make it even easier for their brethren to get ever more visas to the UK and turn what is left of formerly great formerly britain into a part of their desi heaven back home?

    They will dominate and they will push your Chinese folks aside and then you sure would do nothing more than sulk about it like denk and many others of his ilk do. They've already sidelined most US whites in tech and almost control the industry under the tutelage of their long nosed betters [often exclusively hiring their own unless you happen to be a juicy white woman with a pert top and a heavy bottom, an Indian fetish it seems, thirsty as they are for the white wahmen]. They plan on doing this to Finance too but there the nose is not easy to beat.

    Heck I'd love to see Benares style pool splashs and the subsequent grabbings and pullings and all that it entails conducted in one of the many waterways in downtown SPG. Add to that the beautiful feeling of sitting doing your business by the sea as the cool breeze caresses your face. Perfecto!

    Uttar pradesh and especially bihar are often in the news for their top notch hygiene, rule of law and the general docile temperament and extensive research faculties. I would want tons of them to move to SPG and enjoy the shitshow from the sidelines. After all we've been done into as well. Why not let the China-men have a bit of fun as well? ;)

    Well, we need separate racial spheres of influence precisely because there are multiple upwardly mobile races. People from multiple races don’t mix into a single tribe easily unlike people from different ethnic groups in the same race. Without separate spheres we will all compete for the same ecological niches…everywhere. On the other hand a world with only whites, mestizos and Negroids does not need that. A de facto caste system is already sufficient.

    Like..if they recognize Singapore as ours we will not intervene in whatever they do in Bhutan. If they recognize Fiji and Malaysia as a part of the NE Asian racial sphere of influence we will stay out of Kenya and Uganda.

    What else do you think should be done?

    • Replies: @Tungarian

    Well, we need separate racial spheres of influence precisely because there are multiple upwardly mobile races.
     
    I thought you considered everyone below the tropic of cancer as having infected with "degenerate tropical traits". Well more than half of India is tropical and the rest sub-tropical. If you look at the geographical map of India, less than 10% of it is temperate. Most of them are choclate brown to pitch black with quite a few with a wheatish hue in the northern areas

    Yet they seem to be upwardly mobile. And seem to have the worst traits of their long nosed (((betters))). At least the Chinese women are something to look at so I will give you that LOL.

    And one of the traits of such 'upwardly mobile races' is the winner takes all mentality. Right now the Indians are on the ascendancy in SPG so why in the world would they pay any heed to any claims of it belonging to your 'sphere of influence'. Up until now, the whole world was Uncle S(h)am's [or is it Schlomo??] oyster. Now Russia and China are causing the old fart a bit of a headache. No wonder he thinks the Benares-wala and the tamilian and his ambition can be channeled to stop an ascendant China. It's a winner takes all game my friend. Just like Chinamen don't give much of a hoot to the 'legitimate' demands of the native populations in SEA and have acquired much material success on their land, so does the Indian think his time has come and SPG is his for the taking.

    If they recognize Fiji and Malaysia as a part of the NE Asian racial sphere of influence we will stay out of Kenya and Uganda.
     

    India doesn't consider Kenya and Uganda THAT important for now compared to SPG and the SEA which is where uncle s(h)am wants him to square off with China backed by the US navy. You are a supremacist which means you should know that if you insist of muscle based supremacism on your part, it will very well be directed at you as well

    Just like we in the US have never benefited much from Washington (now Tel aviv) 's imperial overreach, so to your average china man in Guangdong or wherever may only get the smallest crumbs if China tries to walk the path old Uncle s(h)am has been walking these past decades

  195. @EastKekistani
    Well, we need separate racial spheres of influence precisely because there are multiple upwardly mobile races. People from multiple races don't mix into a single tribe easily unlike people from different ethnic groups in the same race. Without separate spheres we will all compete for the same ecological niches...everywhere. On the other hand a world with only whites, mestizos and Negroids does not need that. A de facto caste system is already sufficient.

    Like..if they recognize Singapore as ours we will not intervene in whatever they do in Bhutan. If they recognize Fiji and Malaysia as a part of the NE Asian racial sphere of influence we will stay out of Kenya and Uganda.

    What else do you think should be done?

    Well, we need separate racial spheres of influence precisely because there are multiple upwardly mobile races.

    I thought you considered everyone below the tropic of cancer as having infected with “degenerate tropical traits”. Well more than half of India is tropical and the rest sub-tropical. If you look at the geographical map of India, less than 10% of it is temperate. Most of them are choclate brown to pitch black with quite a few with a wheatish hue in the northern areas

    Yet they seem to be upwardly mobile. And seem to have the worst traits of their long nosed (((betters))). At least the Chinese women are something to look at so I will give you that LOL.

    And one of the traits of such ‘upwardly mobile races’ is the winner takes all mentality. Right now the Indians are on the ascendancy in SPG so why in the world would they pay any heed to any claims of it belonging to your ‘sphere of influence’. Up until now, the whole world was Uncle S(h)am’s [or is it Schlomo??] oyster. Now Russia and China are causing the old fart a bit of a headache. No wonder he thinks the Benares-wala and the tamilian and his ambition can be channeled to stop an ascendant China. It’s a winner takes all game my friend. Just like Chinamen don’t give much of a hoot to the ‘legitimate’ demands of the native populations in SEA and have acquired much material success on their land, so does the Indian think his time has come and SPG is his for the taking.

    If they recognize Fiji and Malaysia as a part of the NE Asian racial sphere of influence we will stay out of Kenya and Uganda.

    India doesn’t consider Kenya and Uganda THAT important for now compared to SPG and the SEA which is where uncle s(h)am wants him to square off with China backed by the US navy. You are a supremacist which means you should know that if you insist of muscle based supremacism on your part, it will very well be directed at you as well

    Just like we in the US have never benefited much from Washington (now Tel aviv) ‘s imperial overreach, so to your average china man in Guangdong or wherever may only get the smallest crumbs if China tries to walk the path old Uncle s(h)am has been walking these past decades

  196. @Audacious Epigone
    "Dissidents" is fine with me. You're welcome in my tent anytime.

    The idea that the Soviet Union's dissolution would be peaceful was virtually unthinkable a decade before it happened. Yet it did.

    Not completely bloodless, and relies on clear borders that reflect the ethnic reality on the ground, been a number of border wars from Abkhazia, the Donbass, Ossetia to Nagorno Karabakh. The US is too jumbled and more resembles Yugoslavia.

  197. Who counts as “black”? ADOS or anyone self-identifying as such, cuz there be a lot of “black” people from the reaches south of the Rio Grande.

  198. @EastKekistani

    Secondly, on the possibility of a political coalition across race, religious and ethnic boundaries, I remind you that it has only been 80 years since the most un-Godly coalition came together, seized political power, and created the New Deal and for the first time applied the power of government on the side of common folk. Of course, the internal contradictions immediately began an unravelling, but the fat lady didn’t sing the final song until Al Gore failed to keep the white working class in the coalition and the Supreme Court installed Dubya as President.
     
    You can indeed try to bridge the difference between whites and Negroids & mestizos. White Americans tried segregation and it didn't work. White Brazilians tried widespread miscegenation and assimilation and it didn't work either. Of course you can still try for it is your land. I just don't think you can get anywhere.

    However I'm just not interested in my race getting involved in any such experiment any more. Chinese and Japanese people whose ancestors emigrated to Latin America do not do as well as the people in NE Asian-majority countries. They produced some entrepreneurs, politicians and sportsmen but almost no STEM researchers. It is a degeneration. Moreover some have been lost to miscegenation with mestizos & mulattos and got infected with degenerate tropical traits. The same may be happening in places such as Mauritius. I'm currently not sure though.

    We will just leave in order not to be entangled in the mess after the commies are gone. On our lands any form of multiracialism will of course have to be on our terms which obviously includes a meritocratic system and zero coddling. White and Indian STEM folks will of course continue to be allowed in Hong Kong and Singapore. Refugees from certain countries? LOL nope.

    Fun fact: The amount of Japanese-born and South Korea-born people in America are already not increasing....

    Fun fact: The amount of Japanese-born and South Korea-born people in America are already not increasing….

    Could that be because they can stay home and be right at home?

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    Of course because they are safe and developed nations. :-)
  199. @Audacious Epigone
    "Dissidents" is fine with me. You're welcome in my tent anytime.

    The idea that the Soviet Union's dissolution would be peaceful was virtually unthinkable a decade before it happened. Yet it did.

    The idea that the Soviet Union’s dissolution would be peaceful was virtually unthinkable a decade before it happened. Yet it did.

    (Ukraine, Chechnya, Georgia …)

    True, but it was obvious that an empire would eventually dissolve into long established constituent parts one way or another. It is not obvious that a country like the US will dissolve.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    I've done some searching for evidence that anyone thought the dissolution of the Soviet Union was imminently obvious before it happened. I haven't found much of anything. The Soviet Union was on the whole, despite the obvious ethnic fault lines, *more* racially homogeneous when it dissolved than the US is now.
  200. @Audacious Epigone
    This is an open forum, not a specifically alt right one.

    As I have unequivocally stated and maintained through my nearly 15 years now of blogging, I condemn completely violence and terrorism as means of enacting political or cultural change. Nature red in tooth and claw is not the way any of us should want our societies to be organized, even if we are the likely ostensible 'winners' in such an arrangement.

    There is, unfortunately, no surer way to force this than to silence people.

    This is an open forum, not a specifically alt right one.

    It’s odd how so many alt-right commenters arriving here think that it is.

    I fully appreciate the variety at the UR, but is there anything that can be learned at the /pol/ sites that cannot be learned at the UR?

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Maybe, maybe not. The hope is that there are things that can be learned here that cannot be learned there! Ron would like to be able to say that about just about any other place on the internet.
  201. @iffen
    Fun fact: The amount of Japanese-born and South Korea-born people in America are already not increasing….

    Could that be because they can stay home and be right at home?

    Of course because they are safe and developed nations. 🙂

    • Replies: @iffen
    You missed my point. Don't you East Asian race chauvinists have your panties in a wad over the emulation by young Japanese and S. Koreans of the coarse American popular culture?
  202. @Audacious Epigone
    I'm just a rank amateur, but the Gibbon idea that Christianity doomed the Roman empire has always struck me as odd. The empire was not Christian during the crisis of the third century, when the empire nearly collapsed into multiple kingdoms effectively ruled by warlords. Diocletian, who was anti-Christian, brought stability, but he also shared power with a pro-Christian member of the tetrachy, and then that member's son ended up effectively unifying the empire under Christianity. Constantine's rule was arguably the empire's high point after the collapse of the Severan's--or even the high point after the ending of the five good emperors following Marcus Aurelius' death.

    Those darn christians and jesus bringing civility to every jagged edged blade. It’s just so many focus on the jagged edges. Jags and twists of brutality long before Christ entered the scene.

    I agree it strikes me as odd as well.

  203. Interesting (related topic) since it has to do with immigration, homeboy just got officially disowned (is dispwned a word yet?) by his family. I’ve also read they will not be providing any financial support for his defense:

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    As a father myself, it's admittedly difficult to imagine disowning my son. But in a case like this, I might. His actions were so monumentally stupid and evil, it'd be nearly impossible to justify bringing down the rest of the family to keep afloat one member who jumped into the ocean with a millstone around his neck. It's sad all around.
  204. @EastKekistani
    Of course because they are safe and developed nations. :-)

    You missed my point. Don’t you East Asian race chauvinists have your panties in a wad over the emulation by young Japanese and S. Koreans of the coarse American popular culture?

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Three cheers for them if they do!
    , @EastKekistani
    Many are mad. However I'm not though because I know very well that a lot of stuff in the West from Greek philosophy to America before the 1960s are worth learning about. I freely admit that they are better than what we had so that we should have and even improve them. Just like Romans learned from Greeks and Germans learned from Romans, I want the NE Asian race to freely learn from white people and to a less extant pre-Greek and medieval Middle Eastern cultures.

    I openly recognize problems my race have and consider them to be bugs that need to be fixed. They can be fixed anyway because we will have genetic engineering. Recognition of flaws is the beginning of overcoming them. Screaming that oneself is already perfect is the beginning of downfall.

  205. @EastKekistani
    I see.

    Amoral ethnonationalism is not popular within the Hajnal line. Certainly not genocidal amoral ethnonationalism which is unpopular almost everywhere.

    In the most extreme case it will look like Boxer Rebellion and will be treated like Boxer Rebellion because in an increasingly high tech world this has the potential to end humanity and hence won't be tolerated.

    Well, in most places in the world people don’t trust each other. So people tend to side with their immediate family first, their extended family second, and their ethnic group third. Whereas Western Europeans have enough faith in strangers that it’s considered “unsporting” to show favoritism to your family or ethnic group. The mentality is that only a (white) “loser” plays up ethnic identity because they didn’t have the talent to succeed and are now trying to “game” the system by trying to ally with their ethnic group for a better shot at success. Of course, what Western Europeans think is “unfair” (when done by whites) is quite normal throughout the world.

    Still, it is interesting that it wasn’t until circa 1970 that whites came to believe that their distinct culture could be preserved while importing lots of non-whites. In fact, we openly allow non-whites to be ethno-centric while insisting to an ever greater degree that whites must maintain their traditional high trust and individualistic culture. Something has to give, of course. Putnam found that circa the year 2000, small Midwestern towns had the highest trust levels, but also had the lowest levels of ethnic diversity, with most residents being whites of Northern European descent. Trust levels in the urban and even suburban Northeast have never recovered since the Ellis Island days, they’ve never been that strong in much of the South, where blacks have historically existed in large numbers. As we speak, many areas of the Midwest have seen an influx of immigrants (thereby rendering Putnam’s study to go out of date alarmingly fast), while yuppie gentrifiers are pushing some of the once exclusively urban black population out into 1st and even 2nd tier suburbs of the Midwest’s metro areas).

    • Replies: @EastKekistani

    Well, in most places in the world people don’t trust each other. So people tend to side with their immediate family first, their extended family second, and their ethnic group third. Whereas Western Europeans have enough faith in strangers that it’s considered “unsporting” to show favoritism to your family or ethnic group. The mentality is that only a (white) “loser” plays up ethnic identity because they didn’t have the talent to succeed and are now trying to “game” the system by trying to ally with their ethnic group for a better shot at success. Of course, what Western Europeans think is “unfair” (when done by whites) is quite normal throughout the world.
     
    Yep. I think this is an exclusive phenomenon within the Hajnal line. China and Korea used a different approach to solve the problem of trust, namely extreme statism coupled with low time preferences. In Japan the problem may have been handled through feudalism which demands loyalty to non-kin leaders and maybe religion. West Europe does the best, followed by Japan. The Sinic Leviathan model is not as good but compared to models in the rest of the world it is still fairly good. What I really want to adopt is the best model, namely the West European (in particular Nordic) one.

    Of course I know that this model has its own issues, namely it is vulnerable to tribalists. We can try to adopt the model within NE Asia while closing borders to Negroids and SEAs.


    In fact, we openly allow non-whites to be ethno-centric while insisting to an ever greater degree that whites must maintain their traditional high trust and individualistic culture.
     
    That can never work. Either everyone needs to be high trust and individualistic or tribalism will be the norm. I actually prefer the former but for that to work we have to first recognize the fact that currently most humans are tribalistic. Then we can think about what to do about it.

    Putnam found that circa the year 2000, small Midwestern towns had the highest trust levels, but also had the lowest levels of ethnic diversity, with most residents being whites of Northern European descent. Trust levels in the urban and even suburban Northeast have never recovered since the Ellis Island days, they’ve never been that strong in much of the South, where blacks have historically existed in large numbers. As we speak, many areas of the Midwest have seen an influx of immigrants (thereby rendering Putnam’s study to go out of date alarmingly fast), while yuppie gentrifiers are pushing some of the once exclusively urban black population out into 1st and even 2nd tier suburbs of the Midwest’s metro areas).
     
    That's inevitable. Diversity is a part of the problem. Inherent low trust levels of some cultures may be a bigger problem.
  206. @Achmed E. Newman
    AGREED that war is a terrible thing, but maybe not THE most terrible. Anyway regarding:

    Blacks are the least likely (according to the GSS) to say “life has no purpose” and also the least likely to suffer from poor mental health.
     
    That might be from the polls, and I've have heard that blacks don't commit suicide at the rate of whites. I think they behave like "life has no purpose" way more than other races. Just look at their assets!

    However, if this phrase is to indicate a propensity for suicide, than that is really another meaning from just being irresponsible and not giving a damn about doing a good job, etc, which is absolutely the case in general.

    Perhaps people with lower IQ have less of a tendency to commit suicide as they don't see or understand what's coming in their lives. I don't know, but I think that would make a good post for you - Suicide rate vs. IQ (but, of course, you'd have to use education level instead, I'd guess.)

    Equatorial low IQ people don’t feel guilt (since they have weak moral reasoning) like Ice people. If you can’t envision how your behavior affects other people, you won’t carry such a heavy emotional burden that suicide seems like a valid way out.

    Suicide rates among whites have soared since the late 90’s, which I blame on (white) elites abandoning their kin. The (acknowledged) concerns of white working class people were generally the oil that lubed the political engine of the United States, with even Bill Clinton dissociating himself with “Sistah Souljah” and often saying: “It’s the economy, stupid”. Back in the early 90’s, “the economy” by default meant white lower-middle class whites, who made up most of America’s population back then. Jorge Bush, however, insisted that the concerns of Mexicans (actual Mexicans, not Mexican-Americans) be emphasized.

    People often bring up the anti-immigrant rhetoric of the mid-90’s, and it has to be noted that this was the last period where invoking the concerns of working class whites wasn’t automatically dismissed as archaic and offensive.

  207. @Tungarian
    LOL Kekistani

    Singapore is already lost to your Chinese brethren. There are a plethora of blogs where many Singaporean (Chinese) nationalists are bemoaning the fact that Singapore is slipping under their feet to the Indians and they can do nothing about it (the price SPG has to pay for being a loyal outpost of the US Empire). Denk and DB Cooper here sure seem to be bitter SPG nationalists who feel inundated with the HinPooh tsunami there. It even had an Indian style riot a couple years back isn't it? Wait till the more barbaric and brutal northern Indians (the ones who are a couple shades lighter than your average south Indian) arrive en masse from Uttar Pradesh. That'll be one heck of a PAAARTTY in singapore, just like it is in the streets of New Delhi late at night (eve teasing ;)?? get a clue). On average, they are much more criminally inclined than the dark southern Indians and love them a bit of fun!!.

    The Empire is currently betting on the HinPoohs against the Chinamen which is why you see the Indian ascendance in the US as well along with all the sweet things it brings like ethnic nepotism of the worst kind, racist attitudes against anyone not one of them and pompous snubbery from higher caste hinpoohs in the US who want multi-racialism and "increased" legal immigration (Indian immigration) to the US while wanting and working for Hindu nationalism in India [such hypocrites]

    Hindu nationalism does not seem very popular among Indians in the US in my experience. They seem to be about as embarrassed about it as an American hipster living Europe is about Trump in America. No?

    • Replies: @Hogget
    I think they are pretty good at being facetious about these things. I work with a whole lot of them and once they get comfy with ya, they'll let their hindu nationalist come out. Not all but most of them are of that variety. They may not subscribe to some of the more funnier aspects of Hinduism like eating dung cakes or setting widows on fire, but when honest with ya, they'll tell ya that India is, first and foremost the homeland of the Hindus and should remain as such. Indic religions are welcome [like Buddhism and Jainism] but Christians and Muslims [even though most are indigenous] are renters and should behave as such. Only Modi and his ilk, who are unabashedly hindu, can keep it that way.

    Otherwise, given the PC climate we all live in, they might criticize a lynching or a mob style riot fanned by their fanatics but IMHO at heart, politically they are mostly very well comfortable about the center right party that rules there as of now. You need to get them a bit drunk to know more about them. And boy they get drunk pretty easy. Like women.

    I've come across some very egalitarian Indians and have found the darker ones, especially those who are pitch black to be a lot more humbler than their fair skinned counterparts who seem to have a feeling of superiority while thinking of themselves as "whites".
    , @Tungarian
    I don't think so. They might not be so vocal about it but the way they throng when their president touches base at the madison square garden tells us a lot

    I can bet my testicle (or one of them) that most of them identify with increasing legal (aka more of their relatives) immigration and upping the abomination that are the H1B, L1, OPT and other alphabet soup visas that brings more of their clan/tribe/caste to the US. A few months back, they held rallies on the hill in DC about removing the per country back for green cards and for making it easier for more legal immigration to the US. And they are not even citizens yet. Imagine the gall and the gumption that takes
  208. @iffen
    The idea that the Soviet Union’s dissolution would be peaceful was virtually unthinkable a decade before it happened. Yet it did.

    (Ukraine, Chechnya, Georgia ...)

    True, but it was obvious that an empire would eventually dissolve into long established constituent parts one way or another. It is not obvious that a country like the US will dissolve.

    I’ve done some searching for evidence that anyone thought the dissolution of the Soviet Union was imminently obvious before it happened. I haven’t found much of anything. The Soviet Union was on the whole, despite the obvious ethnic fault lines, *more* racially homogeneous when it dissolved than the US is now.

    • Replies: @iffen
    *more* racially homogeneous when it dissolved than the US is now.

    This only means something if you think socially constructed categories trump organic ones. :)

    Seriously, focusing on race in the dissolution of the Soviet Empire does not even rise to being wrong.

  209. @iffen
    This is an open forum, not a specifically alt right one.

    It's odd how so many alt-right commenters arriving here think that it is.

    I fully appreciate the variety at the UR, but is there anything that can be learned at the /pol/ sites that cannot be learned at the UR?

    Maybe, maybe not. The hope is that there are things that can be learned here that cannot be learned there! Ron would like to be able to say that about just about any other place on the internet.

  210. @Talha
    Interesting (related topic) since it has to do with immigration, homeboy just got officially disowned (is dispwned a word yet?) by his family. I've also read they will not be providing any financial support for his defense:
    https://twitter.com/klinedinstlaw/status/1122916569422618625

    Peace.

    As a father myself, it’s admittedly difficult to imagine disowning my son. But in a case like this, I might. His actions were so monumentally stupid and evil, it’d be nearly impossible to justify bringing down the rest of the family to keep afloat one member who jumped into the ocean with a millstone around his neck. It’s sad all around.

    • Replies: @Talha
    It is sad. Having 3 boys myself, I am taking the cautionary steps to talk with them about these issues and connect them to traditional scholars so someone else doesn't take them off track and give them a "dark web" narrative. Also keep up with what they are thinking about. I think a family should have an open atmosphere where they discuss and debate these things out. It'll help clear the air and at least let's you know what your kids are thinking and who is influencing them.

    I found this article quite instructive (at least for my situation) a similar action from any of my boys would set off blazing alarm bells at multiple stages that serious intervention (even legal sanction) is necessary:
    The boy surprised the school with his sharp mind. For three years, Zahran practiced memorizing the Koran. Next came his studies in Islamic law. But the more he learned, the more Zahran argued that his teachers were too liberal in their reading of the holy book.
    “He was against our teaching and the way we interpreted the Koran - he wanted his radical Islam,” said Aliyar. “So we kicked him out.”...
    Zahran joined a mosque in 2006, the Dharul Athar, and gained a place on its management committee. But within three years they’d had a falling out.
    “He wanted to speak more independently, without taking advice from elders,” said the mosque’s imam, or spiritual leader, M.T.M. Fawaz.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-sri-lanka-blasts-mastermind/black-sheep-the-mastermind-of-sri-lankas-easter-sunday-bombs-idUSKCN1S21S8

    Always the same story with these guys; don't want to learn or listen to the elders or people with learning. This guy in Sri Lanka should have been caught way ahead of time honestly - the very public signs were obvious this guy was dangerous.

    As far as the guy at the synagogue, I guess we'll learn his story as details come out; was he talking to his high school buddies about this? Did he mention this stuff in his church group? Or was he just doing all of this stuff online?

    Peace.
  211. @iffen
    You missed my point. Don't you East Asian race chauvinists have your panties in a wad over the emulation by young Japanese and S. Koreans of the coarse American popular culture?

    Three cheers for them if they do!

  212. @Audacious Epigone
    I've done some searching for evidence that anyone thought the dissolution of the Soviet Union was imminently obvious before it happened. I haven't found much of anything. The Soviet Union was on the whole, despite the obvious ethnic fault lines, *more* racially homogeneous when it dissolved than the US is now.

    *more* racially homogeneous when it dissolved than the US is now.

    This only means something if you think socially constructed categories trump organic ones. 🙂

    Seriously, focusing on race in the dissolution of the Soviet Empire does not even rise to being wrong.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Yes, I know. My point is that at first blush "the[se] United States" makes even less since as a single political super-entity than the Soviet Union did before it collapsed. I suspect when the economy stalls out, interest rates can't be lowered because they're already close to zero, and a currency crisis follows, things will feel quite a bit different than they do now.
  213. @EastKekistani

    Secondly, on the possibility of a political coalition across race, religious and ethnic boundaries, I remind you that it has only been 80 years since the most un-Godly coalition came together, seized political power, and created the New Deal and for the first time applied the power of government on the side of common folk. Of course, the internal contradictions immediately began an unravelling, but the fat lady didn’t sing the final song until Al Gore failed to keep the white working class in the coalition and the Supreme Court installed Dubya as President.
     
    You can indeed try to bridge the difference between whites and Negroids & mestizos. White Americans tried segregation and it didn't work. White Brazilians tried widespread miscegenation and assimilation and it didn't work either. Of course you can still try for it is your land. I just don't think you can get anywhere.

    However I'm just not interested in my race getting involved in any such experiment any more. Chinese and Japanese people whose ancestors emigrated to Latin America do not do as well as the people in NE Asian-majority countries. They produced some entrepreneurs, politicians and sportsmen but almost no STEM researchers. It is a degeneration. Moreover some have been lost to miscegenation with mestizos & mulattos and got infected with degenerate tropical traits. The same may be happening in places such as Mauritius. I'm currently not sure though.

    We will just leave in order not to be entangled in the mess after the commies are gone. On our lands any form of multiracialism will of course have to be on our terms which obviously includes a meritocratic system and zero coddling. White and Indian STEM folks will of course continue to be allowed in Hong Kong and Singapore. Refugees from certain countries? LOL nope.

    Fun fact: The amount of Japanese-born and South Korea-born people in America are already not increasing....

    White Americans tried segregation and it didn’t work.

    What do you mean, “it didn’t work”?  White Americans demanded it nationwide (Oregon forbade the residency of Africans, for pete’s sake!) and it only “stopped working” when it was outlawed by a vote of a handful of black-robed tyrants.

    Segregation was White America’s way to avoid having to suffer from the dysfunctions of blacks.  Since Brown vs. Board and other decisions, White America has had exactly one response left:  run away.  We have run out of places to run to.  The next step is killing the problem when it follows us (the problem already kills us with near-impunity).

    • Replies: @EastKekistani

    What do you mean, “it didn’t work”? White Americans demanded it nationwide (Oregon forbade the residency of Africans, for pete’s sake!) and it only “stopped working” when it was outlawed by a vote of a handful of black-robed tyrants.

    Segregation was White America’s way to avoid having to suffer from the dysfunctions of blacks. Since Brown vs. Board and other decisions, White America has had exactly one response left: run away. We have run out of places to run to. The next step is killing the problem when it follows us (the problem already kills us with near-impunity).
     

    Well, when I said "it didn't work" I meant "it didn't work to have a separate Negroid society equal to the white society", not "it didn't allow White America to be safe from Negroids". Sorry for the confusion.

    However legal and social segregation without geographical separation does not seem like a policy that works in the long run. It can work for say 50 or 100 years but in the long run due to wars, politics, cultural shifts etc people who live close to each other do mix to some extant. Even in the case of Jews why do they have significant ancestry from natives almost wherever they live? In the case of Indian castes it seems that Sanskritisation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanskritisation) actually exist and people did break caste barriers. To actually have full segregation you need full geographical separation, that is, whites and groids need to be in separate lands such as mainland America and Puerto Rico & U.S. Virgin Islands respectively.

  214. @Audacious Epigone
    Hindu nationalism does not seem very popular among Indians in the US in my experience. They seem to be about as embarrassed about it as an American hipster living Europe is about Trump in America. No?

    I think they are pretty good at being facetious about these things. I work with a whole lot of them and once they get comfy with ya, they’ll let their hindu nationalist come out. Not all but most of them are of that variety. They may not subscribe to some of the more funnier aspects of Hinduism like eating dung cakes or setting widows on fire, but when honest with ya, they’ll tell ya that India is, first and foremost the homeland of the Hindus and should remain as such. Indic religions are welcome [like Buddhism and Jainism] but Christians and Muslims [even though most are indigenous] are renters and should behave as such. Only Modi and his ilk, who are unabashedly hindu, can keep it that way.

    Otherwise, given the PC climate we all live in, they might criticize a lynching or a mob style riot fanned by their fanatics but IMHO at heart, politically they are mostly very well comfortable about the center right party that rules there as of now. You need to get them a bit drunk to know more about them. And boy they get drunk pretty easy. Like women.

    I’ve come across some very egalitarian Indians and have found the darker ones, especially those who are pitch black to be a lot more humbler than their fair skinned counterparts who seem to have a feeling of superiority while thinking of themselves as “whites”.

    • Replies: @Tungarian
    I mostly agree but you've got the PC part wrong, mr. hogg. Most Indians, as other PoC and minorities thrive in this PC culture. Of course there are times when it bothers them as well, like social conservatives in their midst must have a real problem adjusting to the LGBTQ mania being promoted across the spectrum; but otherwise, politically they are for the better with PC
  215. @Mr. Rational

    White Americans tried segregation and it didn’t work.
     
    What do you mean, "it didn't work"?  White Americans demanded it nationwide (Oregon forbade the residency of Africans, for pete's sake!) and it only "stopped working" when it was outlawed by a vote of a handful of black-robed tyrants.

    Segregation was White America's way to avoid having to suffer from the dysfunctions of blacks.  Since Brown vs. Board and other decisions, White America has had exactly one response left:  run away.  We have run out of places to run to.  The next step is killing the problem when it follows us (the problem already kills us with near-impunity).

    What do you mean, “it didn’t work”? White Americans demanded it nationwide (Oregon forbade the residency of Africans, for pete’s sake!) and it only “stopped working” when it was outlawed by a vote of a handful of black-robed tyrants.

    Segregation was White America’s way to avoid having to suffer from the dysfunctions of blacks. Since Brown vs. Board and other decisions, White America has had exactly one response left: run away. We have run out of places to run to. The next step is killing the problem when it follows us (the problem already kills us with near-impunity).

    Well, when I said “it didn’t work” I meant “it didn’t work to have a separate Negroid society equal to the white society”, not “it didn’t allow White America to be safe from Negroids”. Sorry for the confusion.

    However legal and social segregation without geographical separation does not seem like a policy that works in the long run. It can work for say 50 or 100 years but in the long run due to wars, politics, cultural shifts etc people who live close to each other do mix to some extant. Even in the case of Jews why do they have significant ancestry from natives almost wherever they live? In the case of Indian castes it seems that Sanskritisation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanskritisation) actually exist and people did break caste barriers. To actually have full segregation you need full geographical separation, that is, whites and groids need to be in separate lands such as mainland America and Puerto Rico & U.S. Virgin Islands respectively.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    What places in the world are characterized by *less* interracial/interethnic marriages/breeding today than they were 50 or 100 years ago?
  216. @iffen
    You missed my point. Don't you East Asian race chauvinists have your panties in a wad over the emulation by young Japanese and S. Koreans of the coarse American popular culture?

    Many are mad. However I’m not though because I know very well that a lot of stuff in the West from Greek philosophy to America before the 1960s are worth learning about. I freely admit that they are better than what we had so that we should have and even improve them. Just like Romans learned from Greeks and Germans learned from Romans, I want the NE Asian race to freely learn from white people and to a less extant pre-Greek and medieval Middle Eastern cultures.

    I openly recognize problems my race have and consider them to be bugs that need to be fixed. They can be fixed anyway because we will have genetic engineering. Recognition of flaws is the beginning of overcoming them. Screaming that oneself is already perfect is the beginning of downfall.

    • Replies: @iffen
    Well good luck, I guess. I don’t know a lot about China, Japan or Korea. I’ve picked up a little bit on China from the Scholar’s Stage. East Asia may not have the diversity problems that we do because it seems there is greater homogeneity in the demographics at the start. I know about the Uyghurs and the Tibetans, maybe there are other groups that I don’t know about. Anyway, diversity can be beneficial sometimes. We've been melting, miscegenating and mixing too long to turn back now.

    From personal knowledge I know that your shoddy cheap-ass consumer goods couldn’t have devastated our manufacturing sector if you had not had the help of sewer settling pond scum like the Mitt Romneys. If we can get Trump re-elected that might break the back of those cucking cocksuckers.

    One of my regrets in this life is that instead of dutifully saving my nickels and dimes for the Lottie Moon Christmas Offering in order to do my little part in saving the souls of you heathens, I could have bought bubble gum baseball cards. Can you even imagine how many hundreds of dollars’ worth of Mickey Mantles, Carl Yastrzemskis, Stan Musials and Duke Snyders that I could now have?

  217. @Feryl
    Well, in most places in the world people don't trust each other. So people tend to side with their immediate family first, their extended family second, and their ethnic group third. Whereas Western Europeans have enough faith in strangers that it's considered "unsporting" to show favoritism to your family or ethnic group. The mentality is that only a (white) "loser" plays up ethnic identity because they didn't have the talent to succeed and are now trying to "game" the system by trying to ally with their ethnic group for a better shot at success. Of course, what Western Europeans think is "unfair" (when done by whites) is quite normal throughout the world.

    Still, it is interesting that it wasn't until circa 1970 that whites came to believe that their distinct culture could be preserved while importing lots of non-whites. In fact, we openly allow non-whites to be ethno-centric while insisting to an ever greater degree that whites must maintain their traditional high trust and individualistic culture. Something has to give, of course. Putnam found that circa the year 2000, small Midwestern towns had the highest trust levels, but also had the lowest levels of ethnic diversity, with most residents being whites of Northern European descent. Trust levels in the urban and even suburban Northeast have never recovered since the Ellis Island days, they've never been that strong in much of the South, where blacks have historically existed in large numbers. As we speak, many areas of the Midwest have seen an influx of immigrants (thereby rendering Putnam's study to go out of date alarmingly fast), while yuppie gentrifiers are pushing some of the once exclusively urban black population out into 1st and even 2nd tier suburbs of the Midwest's metro areas).

    Well, in most places in the world people don’t trust each other. So people tend to side with their immediate family first, their extended family second, and their ethnic group third. Whereas Western Europeans have enough faith in strangers that it’s considered “unsporting” to show favoritism to your family or ethnic group. The mentality is that only a (white) “loser” plays up ethnic identity because they didn’t have the talent to succeed and are now trying to “game” the system by trying to ally with their ethnic group for a better shot at success. Of course, what Western Europeans think is “unfair” (when done by whites) is quite normal throughout the world.

    Yep. I think this is an exclusive phenomenon within the Hajnal line. China and Korea used a different approach to solve the problem of trust, namely extreme statism coupled with low time preferences. In Japan the problem may have been handled through feudalism which demands loyalty to non-kin leaders and maybe religion. West Europe does the best, followed by Japan. The Sinic Leviathan model is not as good but compared to models in the rest of the world it is still fairly good. What I really want to adopt is the best model, namely the West European (in particular Nordic) one.

    Of course I know that this model has its own issues, namely it is vulnerable to tribalists. We can try to adopt the model within NE Asia while closing borders to Negroids and SEAs.

    In fact, we openly allow non-whites to be ethno-centric while insisting to an ever greater degree that whites must maintain their traditional high trust and individualistic culture.

    That can never work. Either everyone needs to be high trust and individualistic or tribalism will be the norm. I actually prefer the former but for that to work we have to first recognize the fact that currently most humans are tribalistic. Then we can think about what to do about it.

    Putnam found that circa the year 2000, small Midwestern towns had the highest trust levels, but also had the lowest levels of ethnic diversity, with most residents being whites of Northern European descent. Trust levels in the urban and even suburban Northeast have never recovered since the Ellis Island days, they’ve never been that strong in much of the South, where blacks have historically existed in large numbers. As we speak, many areas of the Midwest have seen an influx of immigrants (thereby rendering Putnam’s study to go out of date alarmingly fast), while yuppie gentrifiers are pushing some of the once exclusively urban black population out into 1st and even 2nd tier suburbs of the Midwest’s metro areas).

    That’s inevitable. Diversity is a part of the problem. Inherent low trust levels of some cultures may be a bigger problem.

  218. *larger part of the problem.

  219. My long time stance here is pretty simple. If you claim separate but equal, then you must ensure said equality or cease being separate. The country failed in ensuring equality.

    But is rare that anyone admits the country was by choice by and large separate. By ensuring and creating inequity, the country ensured the very issues it sought to avoid.

    Want literate people, don’t bar them from access to the mechanisms to literacy. One need not have a high IQ to understand that equation.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani

    My long time stance here is pretty simple. If you claim separate but equal, then you must ensure said equality or cease being separate. The country failed in ensuring equality.
     
    Well, I don't give a shit about that. We will be equal because genetic engineering will fix the remaining issues and will be separate because we want to in order to keep nonsense from violent tropical tribes outside our borders. If you guys won't keep influences from violent tropical tribes out eventually we will have to keep almost all post-1960 Western cultural influences out for the sake of social hygiene. The West I love and admire is the West that knew how to conquer and dominate, the West before WWII. At that time you guys were really much more advanced than us even though you obviously did not colonize NE Asia at all other than Hong Kong, Macau and a few concessions. I don't like the Negroid-coddling and mestizo-coddling West today.

    If you have so many resources that you actually want to continue the experiment of integrating these people it is your choice. I will still ask you not to do so because I truly understand how valuable Nordic societies are and don't want to see them destroyed.

  220. @EliteCommInc.
    My long time stance here is pretty simple. If you claim separate but equal, then you must ensure said equality or cease being separate. The country failed in ensuring equality.

    But is rare that anyone admits the country was by choice by and large separate. By ensuring and creating inequity, the country ensured the very issues it sought to avoid.


    Want literate people, don't bar them from access to the mechanisms to literacy. One need not have a high IQ to understand that equation.

    My long time stance here is pretty simple. If you claim separate but equal, then you must ensure said equality or cease being separate. The country failed in ensuring equality.

    Well, I don’t give a shit about that. We will be equal because genetic engineering will fix the remaining issues and will be separate because we want to in order to keep nonsense from violent tropical tribes outside our borders. If you guys won’t keep influences from violent tropical tribes out eventually we will have to keep almost all post-1960 Western cultural influences out for the sake of social hygiene. The West I love and admire is the West that knew how to conquer and dominate, the West before WWII. At that time you guys were really much more advanced than us even though you obviously did not colonize NE Asia at all other than Hong Kong, Macau and a few concessions. I don’t like the Negroid-coddling and mestizo-coddling West today.

    If you have so many resources that you actually want to continue the experiment of integrating these people it is your choice. I will still ask you not to do so because I truly understand how valuable Nordic societies are and don’t want to see them destroyed.

    • Replies: @Talha

    nonsense from violent tropical tribes
     
    Followed by...

    The West I love and admire is the West that knew how to conquer and dominate
     
    Uhhhh...'K. So, I'm guessing the answer to my previous question about taking a course in Greek logic is; no.

    We will be equal because genetic engineering will fix the remaining issues
     
    OK, but in your framework, this will also fix everything you find wrong with tropical tribes or Blacks or whatever. Along with cognitive traits like intelligence, aggressiveness, etc. it will also fix their skin color and facial features so they can look White or Asian - within a decade, we will be able to bridge the the gap of time and space that took hundreds of thousands of years of environmental selective pressures. We will all be the same; gloriously, beautifully the same...it will be the dawn of the Singularity. The need for borders will simply fall away.

    If you haven't read Neil Postman's Technopoly, I highly suggest reading it, that is if you don't mind reading views you might find heretical to the extreme:
    https://www.amazon.com/Technopoly-Surrender-Technology-Neil-Postman/dp/0679745408

    Peace.
  221. Talha says:
    @Audacious Epigone
    As a father myself, it's admittedly difficult to imagine disowning my son. But in a case like this, I might. His actions were so monumentally stupid and evil, it'd be nearly impossible to justify bringing down the rest of the family to keep afloat one member who jumped into the ocean with a millstone around his neck. It's sad all around.

    It is sad. Having 3 boys myself, I am taking the cautionary steps to talk with them about these issues and connect them to traditional scholars so someone else doesn’t take them off track and give them a “dark web” narrative. Also keep up with what they are thinking about. I think a family should have an open atmosphere where they discuss and debate these things out. It’ll help clear the air and at least let’s you know what your kids are thinking and who is influencing them.

    I found this article quite instructive (at least for my situation) a similar action from any of my boys would set off blazing alarm bells at multiple stages that serious intervention (even legal sanction) is necessary:
    The boy surprised the school with his sharp mind. For three years, Zahran practiced memorizing the Koran. Next came his studies in Islamic law. But the more he learned, the more Zahran argued that his teachers were too liberal in their reading of the holy book.
    “He was against our teaching and the way we interpreted the Koran – he wanted his radical Islam,” said Aliyar. “So we kicked him out.”…
    Zahran joined a mosque in 2006, the Dharul Athar, and gained a place on its management committee. But within three years they’d had a falling out.
    “He wanted to speak more independently, without taking advice from elders,” said the mosque’s imam, or spiritual leader, M.T.M. Fawaz.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-sri-lanka-blasts-mastermind/black-sheep-the-mastermind-of-sri-lankas-easter-sunday-bombs-idUSKCN1S21S8

    Always the same story with these guys; don’t want to learn or listen to the elders or people with learning. This guy in Sri Lanka should have been caught way ahead of time honestly – the very public signs were obvious this guy was dangerous.

    As far as the guy at the synagogue, I guess we’ll learn his story as details come out; was he talking to his high school buddies about this? Did he mention this stuff in his church group? Or was he just doing all of this stuff online?

    Peace.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @iffen
    Always the same story with these guys; don’t want to learn or listen to the elders or people with learning.

    These have always been , and will always be with us. They seem to do the most damage in times like the present.
  222. Talha says:
    @EastKekistani

    My long time stance here is pretty simple. If you claim separate but equal, then you must ensure said equality or cease being separate. The country failed in ensuring equality.
     
    Well, I don't give a shit about that. We will be equal because genetic engineering will fix the remaining issues and will be separate because we want to in order to keep nonsense from violent tropical tribes outside our borders. If you guys won't keep influences from violent tropical tribes out eventually we will have to keep almost all post-1960 Western cultural influences out for the sake of social hygiene. The West I love and admire is the West that knew how to conquer and dominate, the West before WWII. At that time you guys were really much more advanced than us even though you obviously did not colonize NE Asia at all other than Hong Kong, Macau and a few concessions. I don't like the Negroid-coddling and mestizo-coddling West today.

    If you have so many resources that you actually want to continue the experiment of integrating these people it is your choice. I will still ask you not to do so because I truly understand how valuable Nordic societies are and don't want to see them destroyed.

    nonsense from violent tropical tribes

    Followed by…

    The West I love and admire is the West that knew how to conquer and dominate

    Uhhhh…’K. So, I’m guessing the answer to my previous question about taking a course in Greek logic is; no.

    We will be equal because genetic engineering will fix the remaining issues

    OK, but in your framework, this will also fix everything you find wrong with tropical tribes or Blacks or whatever. Along with cognitive traits like intelligence, aggressiveness, etc. it will also fix their skin color and facial features so they can look White or Asian – within a decade, we will be able to bridge the the gap of time and space that took hundreds of thousands of years of environmental selective pressures. We will all be the same; gloriously, beautifully the same…it will be the dawn of the Singularity. The need for borders will simply fall away.

    If you haven’t read Neil Postman’s Technopoly, I highly suggest reading it, that is if you don’t mind reading views you might find heretical to the extreme:

    Peace.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani

    Uhhhh…’K. So, I’m guessing the answer to my previous question about taking a course in Greek logic is; no.
     
    The West or Arabs conquering Africa is civilizing. The other way around is barbarizing. This is why Zanzibari Revolution and Rhodesian Bush War were unjustified while British conquest of Rhodesia and Arab conquest of Zanzibar were justified. European and Middle Eastern violence are often orderly and beneficial to at least some form of social order. On the other hand Negroid violence is often disorderly. Any society has some form of violence which can not be completely eliminated. However whether it is predictable and whether it serves any social purposes matters. This is why the police and armed criminals, the military and rebel groups are not the same despite all being violent.

    OK, but in your framework, this will also fix everything you find wrong with tropical tribes or Blacks or whatever. Along with cognitive traits like intelligence, aggressiveness, etc. it will also fix their skin color and facial features so they can look White or Asian – within a decade, we will be able to bridge the the gap of time and space that took hundreds of thousands of years of environmental selective pressures. We will all be the same; gloriously, beautifully the same…it will be the dawn of the Singularity. The need for borders will simply fall away.
     
    Not really. Only rich or technologically advanced tribes can take advantage of that. So for example Qataris will probably be able to boost their average IQ to 150 if their Emir actually cares enough about them. On the other hand for Congolese there won't be any hope. If some Christian or Muslim group finally begin to boost their average IQ to 150 the average IQ of Japan will probably be above 1000 and Space Korea will probably be larger than South Korea and North Korea combined. Germany, China, Russia and France will probably be mostly space-based or even interstellar.

    If you haven’t read Neil Postman’s Technopoly, I highly suggest reading it, that is if you don’t mind reading views you might find heretical to the extreme:
     

    Thanks! Well, I'm very hard to offend.

    P.S. "Violent tropical groups" don't include Middle Easterners or Indians. You know who I'm talking about..It is basically a shorthand for "Negroids, mestizos, Australoids, Negritos and SEAs".

    , @EastKekistani
    Wow!

    Technopoly....this dude is really pushing my buttons. He is pretty much against everything I support. What shall I call myself..a technopolist?

  223. It truly is amazing. Once at a dinner with some old college friends, one of our number mentioned that he thought the biggest problem we faced was overpopulation. I pounced, saying if he were worried about overpopulation, then he should be against mass immigration. Everyone looked at me as if I had sprouted horns. Wouldn’t even let me finish my thought.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    I've had similar conversations, but it's usually dead silence or an awkward attempt to change the subject. There is no argument to be had in response, so how do they try to shut you up? Hopefully your own friends don't call you waaaaaaycist.
  224. @iffen
    *more* racially homogeneous when it dissolved than the US is now.

    This only means something if you think socially constructed categories trump organic ones. :)

    Seriously, focusing on race in the dissolution of the Soviet Empire does not even rise to being wrong.

    Yes, I know. My point is that at first blush “the[se] United States” makes even less since as a single political super-entity than the Soviet Union did before it collapsed. I suspect when the economy stalls out, interest rates can’t be lowered because they’re already close to zero, and a currency crisis follows, things will feel quite a bit different than they do now.

  225. @EastKekistani

    What do you mean, “it didn’t work”? White Americans demanded it nationwide (Oregon forbade the residency of Africans, for pete’s sake!) and it only “stopped working” when it was outlawed by a vote of a handful of black-robed tyrants.

    Segregation was White America’s way to avoid having to suffer from the dysfunctions of blacks. Since Brown vs. Board and other decisions, White America has had exactly one response left: run away. We have run out of places to run to. The next step is killing the problem when it follows us (the problem already kills us with near-impunity).
     

    Well, when I said "it didn't work" I meant "it didn't work to have a separate Negroid society equal to the white society", not "it didn't allow White America to be safe from Negroids". Sorry for the confusion.

    However legal and social segregation without geographical separation does not seem like a policy that works in the long run. It can work for say 50 or 100 years but in the long run due to wars, politics, cultural shifts etc people who live close to each other do mix to some extant. Even in the case of Jews why do they have significant ancestry from natives almost wherever they live? In the case of Indian castes it seems that Sanskritisation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanskritisation) actually exist and people did break caste barriers. To actually have full segregation you need full geographical separation, that is, whites and groids need to be in separate lands such as mainland America and Puerto Rico & U.S. Virgin Islands respectively.

    What places in the world are characterized by *less* interracial/interethnic marriages/breeding today than they were 50 or 100 years ago?

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    I'm not sure..Maybe North Korea? Also maybe Russia since Soviets did import Africans to preach Communism to them while modern Russia doesn't?
  226. @Audacious Epigone
    What places in the world are characterized by *less* interracial/interethnic marriages/breeding today than they were 50 or 100 years ago?

    I’m not sure..Maybe North Korea? Also maybe Russia since Soviets did import Africans to preach Communism to them while modern Russia doesn’t?

  227. iffen says:
    @EastKekistani
    Many are mad. However I'm not though because I know very well that a lot of stuff in the West from Greek philosophy to America before the 1960s are worth learning about. I freely admit that they are better than what we had so that we should have and even improve them. Just like Romans learned from Greeks and Germans learned from Romans, I want the NE Asian race to freely learn from white people and to a less extant pre-Greek and medieval Middle Eastern cultures.

    I openly recognize problems my race have and consider them to be bugs that need to be fixed. They can be fixed anyway because we will have genetic engineering. Recognition of flaws is the beginning of overcoming them. Screaming that oneself is already perfect is the beginning of downfall.

    Well good luck, I guess. I don’t know a lot about China, Japan or Korea. I’ve picked up a little bit on China from the Scholar’s Stage. East Asia may not have the diversity problems that we do because it seems there is greater homogeneity in the demographics at the start. I know about the Uyghurs and the Tibetans, maybe there are other groups that I don’t know about. Anyway, diversity can be beneficial sometimes. We’ve been melting, miscegenating and mixing too long to turn back now.

    From personal knowledge I know that your shoddy cheap-ass consumer goods couldn’t have devastated our manufacturing sector if you had not had the help of sewer settling pond scum like the Mitt Romneys. If we can get Trump re-elected that might break the back of those cucking cocksuckers.

    One of my regrets in this life is that instead of dutifully saving my nickels and dimes for the Lottie Moon Christmas Offering in order to do my little part in saving the souls of you heathens, I could have bought bubble gum baseball cards. Can you even imagine how many hundreds of dollars’ worth of Mickey Mantles, Carl Yastrzemskis, Stan Musials and Duke Snyders that I could now have?

    • LOL: Talha
    • Replies: @EastKekistani

    From personal knowledge I know that your shoddy cheap-ass consumer goods couldn’t have devastated our manufacturing sector if you had not had the help of sewer settling pond scum like the Mitt Romneys.
     
    I do admit that many of them are indeed shoddy and low-quality. However things are improving. A newly industrialized nation tends to produce a lot of cheap and shitty industrial products. Just like pollution it happens when a nation transitions from Third World to First World, that is, they are Second World problems.

    I know about the Uyghurs and the Tibetans, maybe there are other groups that I don’t know about.
     
    I don't hate Uyghurs or Tibetans. I'm not exactly sure whether Tibetans qualify as NE Asian but at least they don't behave poorly. I'm sure the main issue Han and Tibetans have is whether Tibet should be independent, not whether Tibetans should exist or whether they should be able to enjoy happy lives. I think we can get along. As for Uyghurs there are indeed Han Chinese people who want them dead because from our POV they commit too many random violent crimes. I don't but this is definitely a view that exists in China.

    Anyway, diversity can be beneficial sometimes.
     
    What kind of diversity? Where? Of course diversity can sometimes be beneficial. The internet is diverse. So is the global STEM community. People from different parts of the world write papers together all the time. Whites, Indians, Pakistanis, Arabs, us.. I'm all for having more Singapores and Hawaiis.

    However having Negroids, Australoids and mestizos is almost always harmful. The problem here isn't really having multiple tribes. Instead it is the presence of these particularly violent and particular underperforming tropical people. A 100% Negroid Congolese village is less diverse than a 50% Negroid city in America. However the former is clearly worse. This is what many WNs don't get or pretend not to get. The presence of certain tropical peoples is a much more significant harmful factor compared to diversity, that is coexistence of multiple tribes in the same area.


    We’ve been melting, miscegenating and mixing too long to turn back now.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweden_Hills

    Well, if you don't want to change that maybe we need to build "American town" somewhere in NE Asia so that when America becomes North Mexico we will still have a variant of it in our lands preserved for all of humanity. It will be a nice place for our young gals to visit.

  228. I am an advocate of free speech. And you may of course respond to my comments as you will. However, I would prefer that in responses to my comments, the colorful language be avoided.

    Laughing. What you care about may or may not be relevant to you. But to the question of integration — your care is only relevant to reality. In this case, the reality the country had several options regarding the release of some million people it held in captivity.

    1. release them to do as they will as members of the greater community and be subject to life as all others are subject to life.

    2. ship them out of country

    3. establish a territory unique to them

    There may be several variations on those three but they remained options. The country chose instead a 4th option. And that was grant them access to citizenship and then by and large as your yourself acknowledge separate them them what most others took for granted as citizens. It not only separated them physically, but it proceeded to deny them in very active practice those tools and necessities that would were granted by the constitution.

    Integration was not an experiment. The experiment as most historians will tell you is the philosophy behind the “great american enterprise” of democracy in which all people are given equal standing by the law and opportunity —

    As in noted in the article itself, to overcome the barriers all others faced as equals is a fair and just real expectation, save this, skin color, blacks could not change their skin color. And the one drop rule made skin color such an exacting standard as to guarantee not overcoming it — unless you looked the part and never admitted otherwise. In this regard of equality — the american experiment — failed. And on top of that failure, whites have spent needless and wasteful time attempting to justify it — and disrupting any remedy — called shooting one’s self in the head. Unlike many of you, I attribute very little to skin color and that is a deliberate and difficult choice.

    So those millions set free, the solution was simple, ensure they got an education as all others, access to employment, continue to foster environments that supported families, etc. crime punishment administrations as all others as opposed to the opposite. Simple, integrated as citizens not necessarily integrated among whites. The failure was not separate, the failure was not equity.

    Before I continue, you have the wrong experiement, wrong understanding of the issues and incorrect history of the immigration dynamic:

    1. integration was not it, the US has been integrating people before there was a US.

    2. the experiment was to equal status access and treatment — not all the same as humans – false

    3. having imported millions who were much less educated and able than the blacks who were released – it’s quite clear that blacks are as capable of acting as citizens and to a greater degree than millions imported and historically demonstrated an uncommon loyalty, despite not being integrated among whites —

    You are further in error by blending several distinct issues as though they were one,

    “We will be equal because genetic engineering will fix the remaining issues and will be separate because we want to in order to keep nonsense from violent tropical tribes outside our borders. If you guys won’t keep influences from violent tropical tribes out eventually we will have to keep almost all post-1960 Western cultural influences out for the sake of social hygiene. The West I love and admire is the West that knew how to conquer and dominate, the West before WWII. At that time you guys were really much more advanced than us even though you obviously did not colonize NE Asia at all other than Hong Kong, Macau and a few concessions. I don’t like the Negroid-coddling and mestizo-coddling West today.”

    Most blacks are not immigrants. They are born and bred US citizens millions with a lineage longer than whites in this country. Historically their crime rates were smaller than whites proportionally, up until about 1960 or ate 1970. There are westerners in every sense of the word and despite the proportional shift in crime states, rate about 3-5% of the overall crime rate — I am being generous. Which simply indicates that as the economic fortunes of past groups are inherited by blacks to a greater degree, so have the dysfunctions — though by all accounts even this is in shift. Not all that relevant — but your insistence on including integration based on immigration is not the same issue as the internal dynamic of having discriminated against blacks.

    Now as is clear about human beings regardless of skin color, some will be miscreants and some less so. That’s a human condition, determined to a degree by genetics, but determined more by environment.

    On the issue of immigration, I am a wall and hedgerow guy. Build high long and completely butted by hedgerows a mile thick with decreasing space between each row. I think my comment in Mr. Sailor’s post in this regard was deleted. I stand by that comment — onward brier patches. Did wonders in WWI and WWII.

    I further support a complete moratorium on immigration for five years. The US does not need a single more human being. I think it will take five years to resolve our immigration issues. And not enough time to assimilate the people we have. And by assimilate I mean — learning english, US history, and the fundamentals of the constitution.

    Laughing.

    I have only one comment your conquering and dominating. If that is the model you desire then it undermines your admiration for the west. We don’t really have that colonial form of acquisition. Except for blacks and native americans, our conquests have been to foster something better. It did not always or ever justify the conquests. But gradually, somehow all others became part of the fabric slowly, gradually, not without issue, including asians . . . and while native americans too could have some social currency. All of the success, loyalty, bravery, intelligence, fortuitiveness, kindness, christianity, benign, fiestiness, what have you — skin color would always be the primary demarkation and be a tough climb up that ladder by the same —

    But make no mistake, the rough and ready hostile nature you want to foist on blacks is ever bit a part of — the american mystique

    1. fought with native americans despite being rescued more than once by their generosity

    2. got after the french, spainiards . . .

    3. unsatisfied went after our own the british — laughing many of whom viewed the colonists and rabble rousy, illiterates, bent on law breaking — why many were sent here in the first place

    4. went after GB again, for no reason and oddly enough brazenly launched a campaign into France —
    5. had reapeted skimishes of blood and guts over religion, borders, free state or not, bloody Kansas really was bloody — note — this is largely whites against whites. There was the occasional Nat Turners, but who could blame them – there was a revolution by whites over taxes – certainly I can’t complain about violence for freedom from chattel.

    6. and a nasty civil war over states rights to quit the union — civil hardly, the south did not even attempt a civil disunion, they went from election to war — fiesty these “americans”

    7. immigrants into Texas were there no less than twenty years before they started a war with Mexcio that would eventually include the US, over old issues about the other war

    8. from the civil war to a war with native americans, and treaty violations, and Mormons killing anyone and every body mormon or not over the right to — who knows what . . .

    9. Spanish American war, war in China’s internal rebellions, what is that Patton said in the movie

    “American love to fight.”

    10. I will forgo the internal heroes of white violence: Billy the Kid, Al Capone, Pretty Boyd Floyd, the Tammeny’s, riots – plenty of whites rioting and rioting . . . and well rioting.

    I could go one about the innate violent nature of whites, “americans” noting that some blacks have that quality is like a “no brainer.” Now that I think about it,

    An american who won’t fight —

    j’st ain’t american.”

    But the discussion about blacks born and bred here is quite a different story then the immigration tactics you speak of. Unfortunately, millions of blacks, are convinced, and not without reason, to join the ranks of a party whose polity they may not agree with, but will get them more bang for the buck.

    —————————–

    I am not sure whether you caring has weight in light of real history. As for coddling, a good look at history demonstrates that our black population on the whole have not really been coddled, anything but.

    Excuse the length, laughing It’s been a while since I let myself go

    Laughing. No. I am not soft on crime. No I do not support abortion or relations outside of marriage. No I am not a democrat or an apologist for liberal agendas. No I am not a closeted or open practitioner of same sex relations.

    And I make no apologies for rejecting needless war campaigns and yet defending our Vietnam win.

  229. And I am not the least bit embarrassed to be a leaner on Christ and scripture.

    If we wanted less trouble regarding blacks — then we should have made different choices regarding their socializing and integration. And I am aware that christians in this country were part and parcel to those measures — much to our shame.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani

    And I am not the least bit embarrassed to be a leaner on Christ and scripture.

    If we wanted less trouble regarding blacks — then we should have made different choices regarding their socializing and integration. And I am aware that christians in this country were part and parcel to those measures — much to our shame.
     
    Many Ethiopian blacks have been Christian for a long time. Do they exactly do as well as Middle Eastern or Western Christians? Korean Christians on the other hand have been Christian for less than 200 years. Why do they do much better socioeconomically on average?

    You and Talha want to help them on religious grounds. I respect that. Good luck!
  230. @iffen
    Well good luck, I guess. I don’t know a lot about China, Japan or Korea. I’ve picked up a little bit on China from the Scholar’s Stage. East Asia may not have the diversity problems that we do because it seems there is greater homogeneity in the demographics at the start. I know about the Uyghurs and the Tibetans, maybe there are other groups that I don’t know about. Anyway, diversity can be beneficial sometimes. We've been melting, miscegenating and mixing too long to turn back now.

    From personal knowledge I know that your shoddy cheap-ass consumer goods couldn’t have devastated our manufacturing sector if you had not had the help of sewer settling pond scum like the Mitt Romneys. If we can get Trump re-elected that might break the back of those cucking cocksuckers.

    One of my regrets in this life is that instead of dutifully saving my nickels and dimes for the Lottie Moon Christmas Offering in order to do my little part in saving the souls of you heathens, I could have bought bubble gum baseball cards. Can you even imagine how many hundreds of dollars’ worth of Mickey Mantles, Carl Yastrzemskis, Stan Musials and Duke Snyders that I could now have?

    From personal knowledge I know that your shoddy cheap-ass consumer goods couldn’t have devastated our manufacturing sector if you had not had the help of sewer settling pond scum like the Mitt Romneys.

    I do admit that many of them are indeed shoddy and low-quality. However things are improving. A newly industrialized nation tends to produce a lot of cheap and shitty industrial products. Just like pollution it happens when a nation transitions from Third World to First World, that is, they are Second World problems.

    I know about the Uyghurs and the Tibetans, maybe there are other groups that I don’t know about.

    I don’t hate Uyghurs or Tibetans. I’m not exactly sure whether Tibetans qualify as NE Asian but at least they don’t behave poorly. I’m sure the main issue Han and Tibetans have is whether Tibet should be independent, not whether Tibetans should exist or whether they should be able to enjoy happy lives. I think we can get along. As for Uyghurs there are indeed Han Chinese people who want them dead because from our POV they commit too many random violent crimes. I don’t but this is definitely a view that exists in China.

    Anyway, diversity can be beneficial sometimes.

    What kind of diversity? Where? Of course diversity can sometimes be beneficial. The internet is diverse. So is the global STEM community. People from different parts of the world write papers together all the time. Whites, Indians, Pakistanis, Arabs, us.. I’m all for having more Singapores and Hawaiis.

    However having Negroids, Australoids and mestizos is almost always harmful. The problem here isn’t really having multiple tribes. Instead it is the presence of these particularly violent and particular underperforming tropical people. A 100% Negroid Congolese village is less diverse than a 50% Negroid city in America. However the former is clearly worse. This is what many WNs don’t get or pretend not to get. The presence of certain tropical peoples is a much more significant harmful factor compared to diversity, that is coexistence of multiple tribes in the same area.

    We’ve been melting, miscegenating and mixing too long to turn back now.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweden_Hills

    Well, if you don’t want to change that maybe we need to build “American town” somewhere in NE Asia so that when America becomes North Mexico we will still have a variant of it in our lands preserved for all of humanity. It will be a nice place for our young gals to visit.

  231. @EliteCommInc.
    And I am not the least bit embarrassed to be a leaner on Christ and scripture.


    If we wanted less trouble regarding blacks -- then we should have made different choices regarding their socializing and integration. And I am aware that christians in this country were part and parcel to those measures -- much to our shame.

    And I am not the least bit embarrassed to be a leaner on Christ and scripture.

    If we wanted less trouble regarding blacks — then we should have made different choices regarding their socializing and integration. And I am aware that christians in this country were part and parcel to those measures — much to our shame.

    Many Ethiopian blacks have been Christian for a long time. Do they exactly do as well as Middle Eastern or Western Christians? Korean Christians on the other hand have been Christian for less than 200 years. Why do they do much better socioeconomically on average?

    You and Talha want to help them on religious grounds. I respect that. Good luck!

  232. @Talha

    nonsense from violent tropical tribes
     
    Followed by...

    The West I love and admire is the West that knew how to conquer and dominate
     
    Uhhhh...'K. So, I'm guessing the answer to my previous question about taking a course in Greek logic is; no.

    We will be equal because genetic engineering will fix the remaining issues
     
    OK, but in your framework, this will also fix everything you find wrong with tropical tribes or Blacks or whatever. Along with cognitive traits like intelligence, aggressiveness, etc. it will also fix their skin color and facial features so they can look White or Asian - within a decade, we will be able to bridge the the gap of time and space that took hundreds of thousands of years of environmental selective pressures. We will all be the same; gloriously, beautifully the same...it will be the dawn of the Singularity. The need for borders will simply fall away.

    If you haven't read Neil Postman's Technopoly, I highly suggest reading it, that is if you don't mind reading views you might find heretical to the extreme:
    https://www.amazon.com/Technopoly-Surrender-Technology-Neil-Postman/dp/0679745408

    Peace.

    Uhhhh…’K. So, I’m guessing the answer to my previous question about taking a course in Greek logic is; no.

    The West or Arabs conquering Africa is civilizing. The other way around is barbarizing. This is why Zanzibari Revolution and Rhodesian Bush War were unjustified while British conquest of Rhodesia and Arab conquest of Zanzibar were justified. European and Middle Eastern violence are often orderly and beneficial to at least some form of social order. On the other hand Negroid violence is often disorderly. Any society has some form of violence which can not be completely eliminated. However whether it is predictable and whether it serves any social purposes matters. This is why the police and armed criminals, the military and rebel groups are not the same despite all being violent.

    OK, but in your framework, this will also fix everything you find wrong with tropical tribes or Blacks or whatever. Along with cognitive traits like intelligence, aggressiveness, etc. it will also fix their skin color and facial features so they can look White or Asian – within a decade, we will be able to bridge the the gap of time and space that took hundreds of thousands of years of environmental selective pressures. We will all be the same; gloriously, beautifully the same…it will be the dawn of the Singularity. The need for borders will simply fall away.

    Not really. Only rich or technologically advanced tribes can take advantage of that. So for example Qataris will probably be able to boost their average IQ to 150 if their Emir actually cares enough about them. On the other hand for Congolese there won’t be any hope. If some Christian or Muslim group finally begin to boost their average IQ to 150 the average IQ of Japan will probably be above 1000 and Space Korea will probably be larger than South Korea and North Korea combined. Germany, China, Russia and France will probably be mostly space-based or even interstellar.

    If you haven’t read Neil Postman’s Technopoly, I highly suggest reading it, that is if you don’t mind reading views you might find heretical to the extreme:

    Thanks! Well, I’m very hard to offend.

    P.S. “Violent tropical groups” don’t include Middle Easterners or Indians. You know who I’m talking about..It is basically a shorthand for “Negroids, mestizos, Australoids, Negritos and SEAs”.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    On the other hand for Congolese there won’t be any hope.

    Why?
  233. “Many Ethiopian blacks have been Christian for a long time. Do they exactly do as well as Middle Eastern or Western Christians? Korean Christians on the other hand have been Christian for less than 200 years. Why do they do much better socioeconomically on average?”

    Christians live in the world. Some live and exist in more tolerable, agreeable, tolerant, healthier, environments than others.

    There but by the grace of god go I. And yet despite my existence in the US, there’s plenty of room for complaint and valid contention for change . . .

    If are using ease of life as a measure of the value of faith — you are using the incorrect variable.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    Well just like with @Talha I respect your POV. If Christianity happens to be factually accurate then you are right. If atheism or deism happen to be factually accurate then maybe those who reject blacks are right. Since we can't verify which theological position is factually accurate maybe in order to make sure that at least some humans are preserved either in the universe (in case there isn't such a thing as afterlife) and some form of heaven (in case there is actually some form of afterlife) let's go along the paths that suit us respectively. From my POV this is "don't put all your eggs in one basket" in terms of religion.

    Take care!
  234. @EliteCommInc.
    "Many Ethiopian blacks have been Christian for a long time. Do they exactly do as well as Middle Eastern or Western Christians? Korean Christians on the other hand have been Christian for less than 200 years. Why do they do much better socioeconomically on average?"

    Christians live in the world. Some live and exist in more tolerable, agreeable, tolerant, healthier, environments than others.


    There but by the grace of god go I. And yet despite my existence in the US, there's plenty of room for complaint and valid contention for change . . .


    If are using ease of life as a measure of the value of faith --- you are using the incorrect variable.

    Well just like with I respect your POV. If Christianity happens to be factually accurate then you are right. If atheism or deism happen to be factually accurate then maybe those who reject blacks are right. Since we can’t verify which theological position is factually accurate maybe in order to make sure that at least some humans are preserved either in the universe (in case there isn’t such a thing as afterlife) and some form of heaven (in case there is actually some form of afterlife) let’s go along the paths that suit us respectively. From my POV this is “don’t put all your eggs in one basket” in terms of religion.

    Take care!

  235. @Talha
    It is sad. Having 3 boys myself, I am taking the cautionary steps to talk with them about these issues and connect them to traditional scholars so someone else doesn't take them off track and give them a "dark web" narrative. Also keep up with what they are thinking about. I think a family should have an open atmosphere where they discuss and debate these things out. It'll help clear the air and at least let's you know what your kids are thinking and who is influencing them.

    I found this article quite instructive (at least for my situation) a similar action from any of my boys would set off blazing alarm bells at multiple stages that serious intervention (even legal sanction) is necessary:
    The boy surprised the school with his sharp mind. For three years, Zahran practiced memorizing the Koran. Next came his studies in Islamic law. But the more he learned, the more Zahran argued that his teachers were too liberal in their reading of the holy book.
    “He was against our teaching and the way we interpreted the Koran - he wanted his radical Islam,” said Aliyar. “So we kicked him out.”...
    Zahran joined a mosque in 2006, the Dharul Athar, and gained a place on its management committee. But within three years they’d had a falling out.
    “He wanted to speak more independently, without taking advice from elders,” said the mosque’s imam, or spiritual leader, M.T.M. Fawaz.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-sri-lanka-blasts-mastermind/black-sheep-the-mastermind-of-sri-lankas-easter-sunday-bombs-idUSKCN1S21S8

    Always the same story with these guys; don't want to learn or listen to the elders or people with learning. This guy in Sri Lanka should have been caught way ahead of time honestly - the very public signs were obvious this guy was dangerous.

    As far as the guy at the synagogue, I guess we'll learn his story as details come out; was he talking to his high school buddies about this? Did he mention this stuff in his church group? Or was he just doing all of this stuff online?

    Peace.

    Always the same story with these guys; don’t want to learn or listen to the elders or people with learning.

    These have always been , and will always be with us. They seem to do the most damage in times like the present.

    • Replies: @Talha
    The means to do damage have been amplified in our day and age, otherwise - this is an old problem as you point out; ignorant zealotry.

    I literally had a Twitter exchange earlier today with some Muslim guy who said (and I’m quoting him without specifics); “I hate {Scholar X} and i firmly believe he is not Muslim because he denied {X ruling} in shariah of Islam.”

    I had to remind him how grave of a matter this is and that he is a layman talking about a man that is recognized by other top Muslim scholars in the world as a scholar, even though they disagree with many of his positions. Basically, the crux of my argument was, how can you possibly make that judgement in complete contradiction to the men who have studied this religion for 50-60 years? It was good, he backed off and rephrased his position to; “I do not think people should follow him in his rulings.” Which is fine because there are plenty of other scholars to follow.

    I think in this age of social media, this kind of ignorant thinking may spread. A scholar I follow called this trend of Muslim noobs (with barely any beard hair criticizing top-ranking scholars as if they were their Fortnite buddy) Teenage Muslim Ninja Twitter.

    Peace.

  236. @Talha

    nonsense from violent tropical tribes
     
    Followed by...

    The West I love and admire is the West that knew how to conquer and dominate
     
    Uhhhh...'K. So, I'm guessing the answer to my previous question about taking a course in Greek logic is; no.

    We will be equal because genetic engineering will fix the remaining issues
     
    OK, but in your framework, this will also fix everything you find wrong with tropical tribes or Blacks or whatever. Along with cognitive traits like intelligence, aggressiveness, etc. it will also fix their skin color and facial features so they can look White or Asian - within a decade, we will be able to bridge the the gap of time and space that took hundreds of thousands of years of environmental selective pressures. We will all be the same; gloriously, beautifully the same...it will be the dawn of the Singularity. The need for borders will simply fall away.

    If you haven't read Neil Postman's Technopoly, I highly suggest reading it, that is if you don't mind reading views you might find heretical to the extreme:
    https://www.amazon.com/Technopoly-Surrender-Technology-Neil-Postman/dp/0679745408

    Peace.

    Wow!

    Technopoly….this dude is really pushing my buttons. He is pretty much against everything I support. What shall I call myself..a technopolist?

    • Replies: @Talha
    Yup. He was warning society about all that is at stake if we choose this route. That book changed my mind about taking any utopian promise of technology seriously or even being overly impressed with technological progress or using it as a yardstick to measure the value or health of a society.

    I would read it through from cover to cover - as it will challenge your world view. It is as if that book was written through the long-dead spirit of Thoreau.

    In your current “configuration”, I would consider you a successful end-product of Technopoly.

    Peace.

  237. @M_Young
    It truly is amazing. Once at a dinner with some old college friends, one of our number mentioned that he thought the biggest problem we faced was overpopulation. I pounced, saying if he were worried about overpopulation, then he should be against mass immigration. Everyone looked at me as if I had sprouted horns. Wouldn't even let me finish my thought.

    I’ve had similar conversations, but it’s usually dead silence or an awkward attempt to change the subject. There is no argument to be had in response, so how do they try to shut you up? Hopefully your own friends don’t call you waaaaaaycist.

  238. @EastKekistani

    Uhhhh…’K. So, I’m guessing the answer to my previous question about taking a course in Greek logic is; no.
     
    The West or Arabs conquering Africa is civilizing. The other way around is barbarizing. This is why Zanzibari Revolution and Rhodesian Bush War were unjustified while British conquest of Rhodesia and Arab conquest of Zanzibar were justified. European and Middle Eastern violence are often orderly and beneficial to at least some form of social order. On the other hand Negroid violence is often disorderly. Any society has some form of violence which can not be completely eliminated. However whether it is predictable and whether it serves any social purposes matters. This is why the police and armed criminals, the military and rebel groups are not the same despite all being violent.

    OK, but in your framework, this will also fix everything you find wrong with tropical tribes or Blacks or whatever. Along with cognitive traits like intelligence, aggressiveness, etc. it will also fix their skin color and facial features so they can look White or Asian – within a decade, we will be able to bridge the the gap of time and space that took hundreds of thousands of years of environmental selective pressures. We will all be the same; gloriously, beautifully the same…it will be the dawn of the Singularity. The need for borders will simply fall away.
     
    Not really. Only rich or technologically advanced tribes can take advantage of that. So for example Qataris will probably be able to boost their average IQ to 150 if their Emir actually cares enough about them. On the other hand for Congolese there won't be any hope. If some Christian or Muslim group finally begin to boost their average IQ to 150 the average IQ of Japan will probably be above 1000 and Space Korea will probably be larger than South Korea and North Korea combined. Germany, China, Russia and France will probably be mostly space-based or even interstellar.

    If you haven’t read Neil Postman’s Technopoly, I highly suggest reading it, that is if you don’t mind reading views you might find heretical to the extreme:
     

    Thanks! Well, I'm very hard to offend.

    P.S. "Violent tropical groups" don't include Middle Easterners or Indians. You know who I'm talking about..It is basically a shorthand for "Negroids, mestizos, Australoids, Negritos and SEAs".

    On the other hand for Congolese there won’t be any hope.

    Why?

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    Because they are very poor. Who are going to pay for their genetic engineering assuming that high social unity countries outside the Hajnal line such as Japan and Israel will even allow Congolese to use tech developed in these countries to improve themselves at all?

    Christians and Muslims do care though they may not like genetic engineering. UN may care a little bit. Who else? Maybe Nigerians and Ghanaians on the grounds that they are also black assuming that Nigerians and Ghanaians will get the tech. Will they?

  239. Talha says:
    @EastKekistani
    Wow!

    Technopoly....this dude is really pushing my buttons. He is pretty much against everything I support. What shall I call myself..a technopolist?

    Yup. He was warning society about all that is at stake if we choose this route. That book changed my mind about taking any utopian promise of technology seriously or even being overly impressed with technological progress or using it as a yardstick to measure the value or health of a society.

    I would read it through from cover to cover – as it will challenge your world view. It is as if that book was written through the long-dead spirit of Thoreau.

    In your current “configuration”, I would consider you a successful end-product of Technopoly.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    Well, the technopoly is good for my own personal interests. The STEM class I belong to diverges from the class of religious scholars many years ago. Both classes rely on monopoly or de facto monopoly over certain knowledge to maintain their social statuses. If people no longer trust techies we will suffer.
  240. Talha says:
    @iffen
    Always the same story with these guys; don’t want to learn or listen to the elders or people with learning.

    These have always been , and will always be with us. They seem to do the most damage in times like the present.

    The means to do damage have been amplified in our day and age, otherwise – this is an old problem as you point out; ignorant zealotry.

    I literally had a Twitter exchange earlier today with some Muslim guy who said (and I’m quoting him without specifics); “I hate {Scholar X} and i firmly believe he is not Muslim because he denied {X ruling} in shariah of Islam.”

    I had to remind him how grave of a matter this is and that he is a layman talking about a man that is recognized by other top Muslim scholars in the world as a scholar, even though they disagree with many of his positions. Basically, the crux of my argument was, how can you possibly make that judgement in complete contradiction to the men who have studied this religion for 50-60 years? It was good, he backed off and rephrased his position to; “I do not think people should follow him in his rulings.” Which is fine because there are plenty of other scholars to follow.

    I think in this age of social media, this kind of ignorant thinking may spread. A scholar I follow called this trend of Muslim noobs (with barely any beard hair criticizing top-ranking scholars as if they were their Fortnite buddy) Teenage Muslim Ninja Twitter.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @iffen
    Well, you could go the low culture Protestant route and allow anyone sufficiently disgruntled to set up their very own little church in order to vent.

    I agree with you about the new media. I just hope that "we" learn how to use it effectively.

    , @Audacious Epigone
    Cowabunga.
  241. @Audacious Epigone
    On the other hand for Congolese there won’t be any hope.

    Why?

    Because they are very poor. Who are going to pay for their genetic engineering assuming that high social unity countries outside the Hajnal line such as Japan and Israel will even allow Congolese to use tech developed in these countries to improve themselves at all?

    Christians and Muslims do care though they may not like genetic engineering. UN may care a little bit. Who else? Maybe Nigerians and Ghanaians on the grounds that they are also black assuming that Nigerians and Ghanaians will get the tech. Will they?

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational

    Because they are very poor.
     
    When has that stopped others from building mines, dams, power plants and anything else for them?

    Who are going to pay for their genetic engineering
     
    Do-gooders will, like they pay for everything else... assuming they drop the notion that genes making any difference in social outcomes is "racist".  The cogdis involved in implicit acceptance of HBD will be fierce.

    assuming that high social unity countries outside the Hajnal line such as Japan and Israel will even allow Congolese to use tech developed in these countries
     
    I suspect that at least one of those countries will be happy to let the Congolese turn themselves into a perfect race of subservient, obedient and just-smart-enough minions.  Tikkun Olam, anyone?
    , @Audacious Epigone
    The ROI, both morally and economically, would be huge.
  242. @EastKekistani
    Because they are very poor. Who are going to pay for their genetic engineering assuming that high social unity countries outside the Hajnal line such as Japan and Israel will even allow Congolese to use tech developed in these countries to improve themselves at all?

    Christians and Muslims do care though they may not like genetic engineering. UN may care a little bit. Who else? Maybe Nigerians and Ghanaians on the grounds that they are also black assuming that Nigerians and Ghanaians will get the tech. Will they?

    Because they are very poor.

    When has that stopped others from building mines, dams, power plants and anything else for them?

    Who are going to pay for their genetic engineering

    Do-gooders will, like they pay for everything else… assuming they drop the notion that genes making any difference in social outcomes is “racist”.  The cogdis involved in implicit acceptance of HBD will be fierce.

    assuming that high social unity countries outside the Hajnal line such as Japan and Israel will even allow Congolese to use tech developed in these countries

    I suspect that at least one of those countries will be happy to let the Congolese turn themselves into a perfect race of subservient, obedient and just-smart-enough minions.  Tikkun Olam, anyone?

  243. “From my POV this is “don’t put all your eggs in one basket” in terms of religion.”

    Laughing, and really laughing.

    Mt spiritual beliefs don’t have anything to do with the history of the US as per this discussion, that would remain regardless of anyone’s faith.

    My comments were to the usual rounds of responses about my being:

    a democrat

    a practicing homosexual

    a liberal

    a black liberal

    a white self hating liberal

    a black jew

    a white zionest jew

    a muslim

    any number of out of the left field responses when their fancies get challenged

    —————————–

    No. What I describe is the case. No hiding behind religion of any kind, in fact, I make the case that people of faith have been complicit in the matter. If 95% of the black population has no investment in criminal behavior —- it upends the negative polity and practices regarding blacks as a population.

    It further upend the game being played to replace blacks with a population with anyone besides blacks. It’s a deeply cynical and technocratic gambit, practiced numerous times in the country’s history. And what hispanic realize is that if they play their cards right as they have, all they need to do is echo the majority to win favor.

    It’s an old hat trick that has been very successful especially after 9/11. Blacks who align themselves with hispanics are playing a game that will be used against them by both parties and those in between. Because the history of the country reveals one thing —

    the country will renege against black citizens and do so in a manner loaded with rhetoric and intelligent sounding rationale and they are willing to sell the country down the tubes to do it. I would that I was wrong, but seeing the palling around this president is doing with Sen Cruz and Rubio —

    I think the deal is done.

    My faith and practice won’t change history, the failed rationale or the inexplicable reality that when all is said and done and the country is unrecognizable — whites will only have themselves to blame. If I was an atheist, or something else — it would not shift the data sets one inch.

    This president is bound and determined to have me regret my vote. laugh

  244. @Audacious Epigone
    Greece, Rome, Christendom, and the Enlightenment are all fundamental elements of what makes the West the West. Jettisoning some number of them is not going to turn things around, I don't think.

    I understand this n there are very good arguments for saying that the rise of the West (Spengler’s Faustian concept) owed much to Christianity. But Christianity is defunct, even the Pope is busily denouncing it, while Protestant preachers endorse gay marriage and late term abortion for convenience. What Christianity once contributed has devolved into pathological altruism with suicidal social values, values that have always been there below the surface, including a streak of pacifism n an intrinsic blind spot to Jewish tribalism.

    When ‘Christians’ no longer defend Western Civ from Muslim incursions but embrace such incursions, it’s time to dump it n return to the more fundamental bedrock of West Civ: Greece, Rome, Celts, Germans, Slavs, IOW Europe’s primordial militant Aryan culture. They never caved to Persian, Turkish, or Semitic aggression.

  245. @Corvinus
    "Xianity is inseparable from Judaism, even tho Judaism is more similar to Islam than it is to Xianity. Europeans need to jettison ALL semitic religions: Xianity, Judaism, n Islam. The West will not recover until it re-embraces its ancient Greek, Republican Roman, n Aryan roots, n rejects everything Judaic."

    Christianity is the bedrock of Western Civilization, according to leading thinkers on the Alt Right (Vox Day in particular).

    Besides, why ought tens of millions of white people abandon their faith just because YOU insist that they ought to distance themselves completely from "everything Judaic"?

    Are you not simply offering your opinion here?

    Of course I’m simply offering my opinion. I don’t ‘do’ group projects.

    I have no problem with true Christians, but in my book that means true Christian warriors, not fake Christians, pacifists, n Socialists who are merely suicide squads like in Monty Python’s Life of Brian who seemed about to rescue Brian from the cross, but then pulled out their swords n killed themselves saying: ‘this will show those Romans!’

    Franco’s Phalangists n the Catholic Maronites in Lebanon were true Christians, they fielded actual Christian armies who were willing to fight n die, just as the Templars defended Malta to the death from Muslim Turks in 1565. What megachurch in the US is willing to send soldiers to fight for the West? None, they’re too busy kissing Israel’s *ss, endorsing abortion n gay marriage, n providing sanctuary for virulently anti-Western migrants.

    It’s time to say RIP for Christianity. It’s gone. It’s time to return to more fundamental a bedrock. And actually, I’m not alone in this view. Many European nationalists have come to this view. But I’m only voicing my own.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Unfortunately, the only Westerners who have any children are Christians, so if you're going to get a non-Christian Western resurgence. procreation rates are going to seriously have to change.
  246. @EliteCommInc.
    " Greeks had believed such nonsense their civilization would have vanished, n Alexander would never have conquered half of Asia. The Romans prevailed until they accepted Xianity."

    Nonsense the Greeks as empire passed because Alexander over extended his resources to the task, poorly managed what he won and left no successors.

    The Romans adopted Christianity long after they had begun to dissolve, in fact the use of faith was for the purpose in part to hold the empire in place.

    A strange view. After Alexander, the Greeks governed as a ruling class in SW Asia n Iran n Central Asia n part of India for most of 600 years, only swept away by Islam after 632. That seems like impressive staying power to me. Last I looked, Alexander never heard of Jesus.

    Rome did even better, growing steadily for 800 years with no need of Christianity. I never said that Christianity ’caused’ Rome’s collapse. I also don’t buy Gibbon’s thesis. IMO Rome’s collapse occurred due to opening trade routes to East Africa n India which brought contagious diseases into the overpopulated Mediterranean, probably smallpox, bubonic plague, n a primordial form of chicken pox that was far more lethal than today’s variety. These struck in 166, again in the 3rd century, n again in 532 or thereabouts. These repeated epidemics depopulated the Mediterranean basin, leaving Rome without enough labor or trained talent to maintain the empire. Rome city declined from 500,000 people to 5,000 by 476 AD. Read Plagues and Peoples.

    Christianity was a reaction to the collapse, but by itself could do little to change things. It preached turning one’s back on a corrupted world n living for the next, so, even tho medieval Christians did a pretty job defending their rump states from Muslim attacks, it took centuries before they became strong enough to mount the Crusades. Still there remains a pacifist element in Christianity that a thousand years later has completely predominated. The fact is that Christianity is played out, defunct, no longer capable of defending itself n has no desire to.

  247. @Audacious Epigone
    They are much more willing to sacrifice you and me than they are to sacrifice themselves!

    Quite so. But among the PC Cult, whites have the lowest status in its melanin-based hierarchy. They have to act as ‘white knights’ on behalf of the Cult in order to prove they are not ‘racist’, which means acting as cannon fodder for Antifa. Their ‘sacrifices’ tho will only postpone the inevitable. The Cult will eventually turn on them too, the Left will eat its own. Stalin’s purges should be an object lesson for such useful idiots, but of course no one studies actual history any more, least of all PC cultists.

  248. @Talha
    The means to do damage have been amplified in our day and age, otherwise - this is an old problem as you point out; ignorant zealotry.

    I literally had a Twitter exchange earlier today with some Muslim guy who said (and I’m quoting him without specifics); “I hate {Scholar X} and i firmly believe he is not Muslim because he denied {X ruling} in shariah of Islam.”

    I had to remind him how grave of a matter this is and that he is a layman talking about a man that is recognized by other top Muslim scholars in the world as a scholar, even though they disagree with many of his positions. Basically, the crux of my argument was, how can you possibly make that judgement in complete contradiction to the men who have studied this religion for 50-60 years? It was good, he backed off and rephrased his position to; “I do not think people should follow him in his rulings.” Which is fine because there are plenty of other scholars to follow.

    I think in this age of social media, this kind of ignorant thinking may spread. A scholar I follow called this trend of Muslim noobs (with barely any beard hair criticizing top-ranking scholars as if they were their Fortnite buddy) Teenage Muslim Ninja Twitter.

    Peace.

    Well, you could go the low culture Protestant route and allow anyone sufficiently disgruntled to set up their very own little church in order to vent.

    I agree with you about the new media. I just hope that “we” learn how to use it effectively.

    • Replies: @Talha
    That's not really a big issue since anyone can set up a mosque. In fact, if you read the article I cited, the guy in Sri Lanka did try to set up a mosque with his extremist frat-boy crew. However, it was to antagonize a Sufi-oriented mosque and it ended up with these guys attacking the Sufis with swords. It's one thing venting about how Sufis are chanting and you don't like it - it's another to go stab happy on them; gotta draw the line at sword attacks.

    The new guy that just shot up the university at NC, I'm wondering what his social media profile and habits will ultimately reveal...

    Peace.
    , @Talha
    Also, very interesting article about the soul-crushing effects that online nihilism is having on even those that research it on an academic basis:
    https://www.wired.com/story/existential-crisis-plaguing-online-extremism-researchers/?mbid=social_twitter_onsiteshare

    One of my teachers said; it's as if once the Internet was created, Shaytan just sat back to laugh with nothing more to do but watch...


    Peace.
    , @Talha
    Wow, literally along the lines of what we were discussing: social media influence, extremism, Protestantism (notice how this church split to counter the more the liberal one), who has authority to interpret, etc.
    “The alleged synagogue shooter was a churchgoer who talked Christian theology, raising tough questions for evangelical pastors…Before he allegedly walked into a synagogue in Poway, Calif., and opened fire, John Earnest appears to have written a seven-page letter spelling out his core beliefs: that Jewish people, guilty in his view of faults ranging from killing Jesus to controlling the media, deserved to die. That his intention to kill Jews would glorify God....Days later, the Rev. Mika Edmondson read those words and was stunned. 'It certainly calls for a good amount of soul-searching,' said Edmondson, a pastor in the Orthodox Presbyterian Church, a small evangelical denomination founded to counter liberalism in mainline Presbyterianism. Earnest, 19, was a member of an OPC congregation...And in the manifesto, the writer spewed not only invective against Jews and racial minorities but also cogent Christian theology he heard in the pews.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2019/05/01/alleged-synagogue-shooter-was-churchgoer-who-articulated-christian-theology-prompting-tough-questions-evangelical-pastors/?utm_term=.652808a347cd

    Peace.

  249. @iffen
    Well, you could go the low culture Protestant route and allow anyone sufficiently disgruntled to set up their very own little church in order to vent.

    I agree with you about the new media. I just hope that "we" learn how to use it effectively.

    That’s not really a big issue since anyone can set up a mosque. In fact, if you read the article I cited, the guy in Sri Lanka did try to set up a mosque with his extremist frat-boy crew. However, it was to antagonize a Sufi-oriented mosque and it ended up with these guys attacking the Sufis with swords. It’s one thing venting about how Sufis are chanting and you don’t like it – it’s another to go stab happy on them; gotta draw the line at sword attacks.

    The new guy that just shot up the university at NC, I’m wondering what his social media profile and habits will ultimately reveal…

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Probably nothing particularly good for The Narrative since we're two days in and there doesn't appear to be much in the way of news about it.
  250. “It preached turning one’s back on a corrupted world n living for the next, so, even tho medieval Christians did a pretty job defending their rump states from Muslim attacks, it took centuries before they became strong enough to mount the Crusades. Still there remains a pacifist element in Christianity that a thousand years later has completely predominated. The fact is that Christianity is played out, defunct, no longer capable of defending itself n has no desire to.”

    There s no question about the lasting influence and direct impact that Greeks and Romans left in their wake, but that is not the same thing acting as the governing authority. It’s a nice way of smoothing the historical understanding of Empire

    https://en.unesco.org/silkroad/content/did-you-know-greek-presence-central-asia

    but that Empire essentially died with Alexander for the reasons I stated. There are other additional reasons no doubt.

    The same applies to the Romans, over extended, poor administration and ineffective leadership. All of which left them open to invasion. Again there are other reasons, no argument.

    ————————–

    But more importantly, I appreciate you clearing up your position that you are not contending that Christianity is at fault here. I could address the issue of pacifity, suffice it to say, christianity is a civilizing force on the secular to the extent that it has influence on the secular. But it was never intended as a means of expanding empire. But christianity would have been born regardless of Rome’s existence.

  251. Talha says:
    @iffen
    Well, you could go the low culture Protestant route and allow anyone sufficiently disgruntled to set up their very own little church in order to vent.

    I agree with you about the new media. I just hope that "we" learn how to use it effectively.

    Also, very interesting article about the soul-crushing effects that online nihilism is having on even those that research it on an academic basis:
    https://www.wired.com/story/existential-crisis-plaguing-online-extremism-researchers/?mbid=social_twitter_onsiteshare

    One of my teachers said; it’s as if once the Internet was created, Shaytan just sat back to laugh with nothing more to do but watch…

    Peace.

    • Replies: @iffen
    This is an interesting piece in that it hits upon the fact that writing about badthink can actually make it worse, not least because some of the bad guys know the mechanics of the system and can use goodthink writing to accelerate the badthink POV. Maybe that’s why The Jew York Times doesn’t mention extremist Muslims or radicalized Islamists. They don’t want to give the badthinkers a lever or jumping off point. And here I thought that it was because they believed that if you don’t call it by its name, then it doesn’t exist; it’s not reality. The other side of the coin works to their advantage as well. If they don’t use the word Christian, they can’t be “real” victims. Or, write about every badwhite behavior or every use of an “anti-Semitic trope” and voila, earth-shattering existential crises. Of course this can backfire if enough people land at badthink sites. Not the UR! No, I’m talking about the bad badthink sites. Then what may have been healthy skepticism can snowball into outright total rejection of all approved thinking.

    Rebellion is a normal trait in young males, and some of us (heh-heh) are born with a more intense anti-authoritarian streak than others. None of which explains why for every political or religious murderer, there are a thousand or ten thousand that think along the same lines, but do not kill because of it.

  252. @Talha
    Yup. He was warning society about all that is at stake if we choose this route. That book changed my mind about taking any utopian promise of technology seriously or even being overly impressed with technological progress or using it as a yardstick to measure the value or health of a society.

    I would read it through from cover to cover - as it will challenge your world view. It is as if that book was written through the long-dead spirit of Thoreau.

    In your current “configuration”, I would consider you a successful end-product of Technopoly.

    Peace.

    Well, the technopoly is good for my own personal interests. The STEM class I belong to diverges from the class of religious scholars many years ago. Both classes rely on monopoly or de facto monopoly over certain knowledge to maintain their social statuses. If people no longer trust techies we will suffer.

    • Replies: @Talha
    Like I said, read the book. If you reject its premise; great! But at least you will have read one of the best challenges and a counter-narrative to the worldview you espouse.

    If people no longer trust techies we will suffer.
     
    Broken down to its core, this is essentially "muh gibz" and not a respectable way to map out a serious philosophy or outlook on life.

    Peace.
  253. Talha says:
    @EastKekistani
    Well, the technopoly is good for my own personal interests. The STEM class I belong to diverges from the class of religious scholars many years ago. Both classes rely on monopoly or de facto monopoly over certain knowledge to maintain their social statuses. If people no longer trust techies we will suffer.

    Like I said, read the book. If you reject its premise; great! But at least you will have read one of the best challenges and a counter-narrative to the worldview you espouse.

    If people no longer trust techies we will suffer.

    Broken down to its core, this is essentially “muh gibz” and not a respectable way to map out a serious philosophy or outlook on life.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani

    Broken down to its core, this is essentially “muh gibz” and not a respectable way to map out a serious philosophy or outlook on life.
     
    Well, I'm just more honest than most people. Almost nobody is going to give up the basis of his/her status.
  254. Talha says:
    @iffen
    Well, you could go the low culture Protestant route and allow anyone sufficiently disgruntled to set up their very own little church in order to vent.

    I agree with you about the new media. I just hope that "we" learn how to use it effectively.

    Wow, literally along the lines of what we were discussing: social media influence, extremism, Protestantism (notice how this church split to counter the more the liberal one), who has authority to interpret, etc.
    “The alleged synagogue shooter was a churchgoer who talked Christian theology, raising tough questions for evangelical pastors…Before he allegedly walked into a synagogue in Poway, Calif., and opened fire, John Earnest appears to have written a seven-page letter spelling out his core beliefs: that Jewish people, guilty in his view of faults ranging from killing Jesus to controlling the media, deserved to die. That his intention to kill Jews would glorify God….Days later, the Rev. Mika Edmondson read those words and was stunned. ‘It certainly calls for a good amount of soul-searching,’ said Edmondson, a pastor in the Orthodox Presbyterian Church, a small evangelical denomination founded to counter liberalism in mainline Presbyterianism. Earnest, 19, was a member of an OPC congregation…And in the manifesto, the writer spewed not only invective against Jews and racial minorities but also cogent Christian theology he heard in the pews.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2019/05/01/alleged-synagogue-shooter-was-churchgoer-who-articulated-christian-theology-prompting-tough-questions-evangelical-pastors/?utm_term=.652808a347cd

    Peace.

    • Replies: @iffen
    I guess there's nothing left to do other than keep score. This one belongs to you; that one belongs to me.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    When it's a Christian going hardcore Christianity, Christianity has some 'splainin to do. When it's a Muslim going hardcore Islam, well...
    , @Feryl
    The splintering of Christianity is caused mostly by Boomers, who have mostly given up on the Catholic church and mainstream Protestantism. The Catholic Church responded by trying to bring in tons of POC to erstwhile white countries; "mainline" Protestantism has done similar things, but lacking a central figure to guide the religion (ala the pope), it has responded more incoherently than Catholicism has to the changes of the last 50 years.

    Gen X-ers and Millennials have mostly run out of patience for any sort of religious ideology, since the Boomer driven ones have been so worthless at uniting us to achieve any sort of worthwhile goal.
  255. @Talha
    Wow, literally along the lines of what we were discussing: social media influence, extremism, Protestantism (notice how this church split to counter the more the liberal one), who has authority to interpret, etc.
    “The alleged synagogue shooter was a churchgoer who talked Christian theology, raising tough questions for evangelical pastors…Before he allegedly walked into a synagogue in Poway, Calif., and opened fire, John Earnest appears to have written a seven-page letter spelling out his core beliefs: that Jewish people, guilty in his view of faults ranging from killing Jesus to controlling the media, deserved to die. That his intention to kill Jews would glorify God....Days later, the Rev. Mika Edmondson read those words and was stunned. 'It certainly calls for a good amount of soul-searching,' said Edmondson, a pastor in the Orthodox Presbyterian Church, a small evangelical denomination founded to counter liberalism in mainline Presbyterianism. Earnest, 19, was a member of an OPC congregation...And in the manifesto, the writer spewed not only invective against Jews and racial minorities but also cogent Christian theology he heard in the pews.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2019/05/01/alleged-synagogue-shooter-was-churchgoer-who-articulated-christian-theology-prompting-tough-questions-evangelical-pastors/?utm_term=.652808a347cd

    Peace.

    I guess there’s nothing left to do other than keep score. This one belongs to you; that one belongs to me.

    • Replies: @Talha
    Yeah, this really sucks. Again, we have some young kid who thinks he understands, makes up his own script with what he has, and goes off the rails without talking or discussing with his religious leaders or elders.

    It looks like things are going in a tailspin, very unfortunate. All in all, I am learning about what to look for and how to try to manage my own family through these unfortunate examples.

    Peace.
  256. Talha says:
    @iffen
    I guess there's nothing left to do other than keep score. This one belongs to you; that one belongs to me.

    Yeah, this really sucks. Again, we have some young kid who thinks he understands, makes up his own script with what he has, and goes off the rails without talking or discussing with his religious leaders or elders.

    It looks like things are going in a tailspin, very unfortunate. All in all, I am learning about what to look for and how to try to manage my own family through these unfortunate examples.

    Peace.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
  257. @Talha
    The means to do damage have been amplified in our day and age, otherwise - this is an old problem as you point out; ignorant zealotry.

    I literally had a Twitter exchange earlier today with some Muslim guy who said (and I’m quoting him without specifics); “I hate {Scholar X} and i firmly believe he is not Muslim because he denied {X ruling} in shariah of Islam.”

    I had to remind him how grave of a matter this is and that he is a layman talking about a man that is recognized by other top Muslim scholars in the world as a scholar, even though they disagree with many of his positions. Basically, the crux of my argument was, how can you possibly make that judgement in complete contradiction to the men who have studied this religion for 50-60 years? It was good, he backed off and rephrased his position to; “I do not think people should follow him in his rulings.” Which is fine because there are plenty of other scholars to follow.

    I think in this age of social media, this kind of ignorant thinking may spread. A scholar I follow called this trend of Muslim noobs (with barely any beard hair criticizing top-ranking scholars as if they were their Fortnite buddy) Teenage Muslim Ninja Twitter.

    Peace.

    Cowabunga.

  258. @EastKekistani
    Because they are very poor. Who are going to pay for their genetic engineering assuming that high social unity countries outside the Hajnal line such as Japan and Israel will even allow Congolese to use tech developed in these countries to improve themselves at all?

    Christians and Muslims do care though they may not like genetic engineering. UN may care a little bit. Who else? Maybe Nigerians and Ghanaians on the grounds that they are also black assuming that Nigerians and Ghanaians will get the tech. Will they?

    The ROI, both morally and economically, would be huge.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    Note that one of the things we'd have to do is prevent the gene-upgraded offspring from becoming part of the brain drain.
  259. @Sin City Milla
    Of course I'm simply offering my opinion. I don't 'do' group projects.

    I have no problem with true Christians, but in my book that means true Christian warriors, not fake Christians, pacifists, n Socialists who are merely suicide squads like in Monty Python's Life of Brian who seemed about to rescue Brian from the cross, but then pulled out their swords n killed themselves saying: 'this will show those Romans!'

    Franco's Phalangists n the Catholic Maronites in Lebanon were true Christians, they fielded actual Christian armies who were willing to fight n die, just as the Templars defended Malta to the death from Muslim Turks in 1565. What megachurch in the US is willing to send soldiers to fight for the West? None, they're too busy kissing Israel's *ss, endorsing abortion n gay marriage, n providing sanctuary for virulently anti-Western migrants.

    It's time to say RIP for Christianity. It's gone. It's time to return to more fundamental a bedrock. And actually, I'm not alone in this view. Many European nationalists have come to this view. But I'm only voicing my own.

    Unfortunately, the only Westerners who have any children are Christians, so if you’re going to get a non-Christian Western resurgence. procreation rates are going to seriously have to change.

    • Replies: @Sin City Milla
    You're right, n Mormons n Amish are having the most children. OTOH Hungary seems to be making a real effort to protect marriage n promote large families. Wait, they're also Christian.

    Maybe Germany or Italy will revert to Fascism n start having large families again. Christianity wasn't behind those policies. The Germans were real good at that until they were genocided n their churches replaced by gay bars.
  260. @Talha
    That's not really a big issue since anyone can set up a mosque. In fact, if you read the article I cited, the guy in Sri Lanka did try to set up a mosque with his extremist frat-boy crew. However, it was to antagonize a Sufi-oriented mosque and it ended up with these guys attacking the Sufis with swords. It's one thing venting about how Sufis are chanting and you don't like it - it's another to go stab happy on them; gotta draw the line at sword attacks.

    The new guy that just shot up the university at NC, I'm wondering what his social media profile and habits will ultimately reveal...

    Peace.

    Probably nothing particularly good for The Narrative since we’re two days in and there doesn’t appear to be much in the way of news about it.

  261. @Talha
    Wow, literally along the lines of what we were discussing: social media influence, extremism, Protestantism (notice how this church split to counter the more the liberal one), who has authority to interpret, etc.
    “The alleged synagogue shooter was a churchgoer who talked Christian theology, raising tough questions for evangelical pastors…Before he allegedly walked into a synagogue in Poway, Calif., and opened fire, John Earnest appears to have written a seven-page letter spelling out his core beliefs: that Jewish people, guilty in his view of faults ranging from killing Jesus to controlling the media, deserved to die. That his intention to kill Jews would glorify God....Days later, the Rev. Mika Edmondson read those words and was stunned. 'It certainly calls for a good amount of soul-searching,' said Edmondson, a pastor in the Orthodox Presbyterian Church, a small evangelical denomination founded to counter liberalism in mainline Presbyterianism. Earnest, 19, was a member of an OPC congregation...And in the manifesto, the writer spewed not only invective against Jews and racial minorities but also cogent Christian theology he heard in the pews.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2019/05/01/alleged-synagogue-shooter-was-churchgoer-who-articulated-christian-theology-prompting-tough-questions-evangelical-pastors/?utm_term=.652808a347cd

    Peace.

    When it’s a Christian going hardcore Christianity, Christianity has some ‘splainin to do. When it’s a Muslim going hardcore Islam, well…

    • Replies: @Talha
    Well, what I'm trying to point out here is that you guys might soon have a very similar problem on your hands. Now ours is much more entrenched and older and on a bigger scale (our "Reformation" has been going on for about a century and a half now), that's for sure, but the underlying causes are quite similar. Loss of authority, online radicalization, young people taking a nihilist approach, etc.

    hardcore Christianity
     
    I certainly don't see it as "hardcore Christianity". That is if I understand that not everything that any Christian does is in fact Christianity. Rather, Christianity has a normative voice defined by its scholarship, priests and institutions. I know enough to make that distinction. I mean, why would I think that some 19 year old fresh out of high school understands Christian precepts better than the various church leaders that are negating his views. Seems to be a young guy going rogue with some things he learned and mixing it with ideas from stuff he learned from various dark places on the Internet - it actually sounds quite familiar to the process for our extremists to be honest.

    Peace.
    , @RSDB
    From a Catholic perspective we don't really have a whole lot of doctrine that can be twisted this way, but we have an awful lot of very iconic imagery that can be put to all kinds of uses. The Armor of God(though much emphasis on that one is more a Protestant thing), Deus le volt, the various military orders, Guy Fawkes, the Inquisition, the Papal Zouaves, various Spanish Civil War stuff, etc. etc. etc. Even Breivik claimed to call himself a Knight Templar or some such thing, I think.

    I can imagine some nut mad on Jews like this guy was calling himself the Order of St. John Chrysostom or something along those lines; it seems incredibly unlikely but, frankly, so does this guy, and here he is.
  262. Talha says:
    @Audacious Epigone
    When it's a Christian going hardcore Christianity, Christianity has some 'splainin to do. When it's a Muslim going hardcore Islam, well...

    Well, what I’m trying to point out here is that you guys might soon have a very similar problem on your hands. Now ours is much more entrenched and older and on a bigger scale (our “Reformation” has been going on for about a century and a half now), that’s for sure, but the underlying causes are quite similar. Loss of authority, online radicalization, young people taking a nihilist approach, etc.

    hardcore Christianity

    I certainly don’t see it as “hardcore Christianity”. That is if I understand that not everything that any Christian does is in fact Christianity. Rather, Christianity has a normative voice defined by its scholarship, priests and institutions. I know enough to make that distinction. I mean, why would I think that some 19 year old fresh out of high school understands Christian precepts better than the various church leaders that are negating his views. Seems to be a young guy going rogue with some things he learned and mixing it with ideas from stuff he learned from various dark places on the Internet – it actually sounds quite familiar to the process for our extremists to be honest.

    Peace.

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  263. @Audacious Epigone
    The ROI, both morally and economically, would be huge.

    Note that one of the things we’d have to do is prevent the gene-upgraded offspring from becoming part of the brain drain.

  264. RSDB says:
    @Audacious Epigone
    When it's a Christian going hardcore Christianity, Christianity has some 'splainin to do. When it's a Muslim going hardcore Islam, well...

    From a Catholic perspective we don’t really have a whole lot of doctrine that can be twisted this way, but we have an awful lot of very iconic imagery that can be put to all kinds of uses. The Armor of God(though much emphasis on that one is more a Protestant thing), Deus le volt, the various military orders, Guy Fawkes, the Inquisition, the Papal Zouaves, various Spanish Civil War stuff, etc. etc. etc. Even Breivik claimed to call himself a Knight Templar or some such thing, I think.

    I can imagine some nut mad on Jews like this guy was calling himself the Order of St. John Chrysostom or something along those lines; it seems incredibly unlikely but, frankly, so does this guy, and here he is.

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