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Men report being modestly more interested in watching women’s soccer than women are:

In The Current Year, it’s unclear whether this is cause for celebration or censure. Men showing interest in female sports is a Good Thing, but many of these men are doing it for the purpose of ogling young women’s bodies, which is a Bad Thing. And the sisterhood failing to appreciate the success of these female athletes is a Sad Thing.

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  1. Talha says:

    for the purpose of ogling young women’s bodies

    I was under the impression this is the only thing keeping women’s tennis afloat. I could be wrong.


    • Replies: @Liberty Mike
    , @follyofwar
  2. I don’t know of any man who wants to watch Megan Rapinoe. As for women, it seems clear their interest in this is to pick fights with men for not being interested.

    • Replies: @neutral
  3. In a world of ubiquitous and freely available hardcore pornography via the internet, why would anyone need to watch soccer in order to ogle women’s bodies? You can do all the ogling you want without having to cloak it in the pretext of sport.

    I wonder how much interest would remain once you subtracted out the men who just figured they were expected to give the PC answer and dutifully complied.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
  4. Yes, we’re just dying for more of these moments:

    • Replies: @Cloudbuster
  5. @The Alarmist

    Ripping her shirt off was obviously the natural thing to do. Why, yesterday, I got a great deal on orange juice at the supermarket and ripped my shirt off to celebrate right in the frozen juice aisle.

  6. @Cloudbuster

    I like to squeeze oranges, but who am I to question frozen being so hot?

  7. I think you’d get a different result if you polled interest in figure skating and gymnastics. I think women are more interested in watching these women’s sports than team sports such as basketball or soccer. Beach volleyball, on the other hand, probably interests men more, for obvious reasons.

    • Replies: @(((They))) Live
  8. Any man who ogles Megan Rapino must be transitioning.

  9. @Talha

    Serena Williams does not keep this Irishman’s shillelagh afloat.

    • Replies: @Herbert West
    , @Talha
  10. @Liberty Mike

    Black men think she’s legitimately hot, though. I’ve heard straight black males claim she is the sexiest woman in the world.

  11. In my observation there is more of a push for girl’s/women’s sports from the fathers of girls than from mothers. Sports-obsessed middle class dads who want to relive their varsity years vicariously through their kids, but they only started having them at 40 and only had 1 or 2 before time ran out— and no sons. So the girls are pushed to be the athlete son their dad never had.

    Absent that influence, would women care about competitive sports at all? Doubtful

    • Replies: @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
    , @L Woods
  12. @Herbert West

    Let them think that.

    So much the better if it keeps them from lusting after the likes of Maria Sharapova and Johanna Konta or Angelique Kerber or Petra Martic.

  13. neutral says:

    I can only guess there are some men that watch female football in an attempt to show females that they are not “toxic” males. Probably does not work, but there must be a sizeable chunk out there that might try that trick.

  14. @Herbert West

    My now deceased dad was a hunter and fisherman and as he had no sons, it fell upon me to follow in his footsteps. He even bought me a .410 shotgun, but I didn’t have the heart to shoot Bambi by the time I was old enough to hunt. Fishing I found boring and felt sorry for the fish. So much for that.

  15. Talha says:
    @Liberty Mike

    I don’t watch the sport so I only have impressions. And it seems like the number of famous active black women’s tennis players rivals that of famous black golf players.

    You could likely count them on one hand with a few missing fingers.


  16. L Woods says:
    @Herbert West

    This is a problem with small families generally. In large families, there’s a better chance at least one of the children will take after the father; in smaller families, the burden of the father’s vicarious living is foisted upon children for whom it is often a laughably ill fit.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
  17. @Herbert West

    Meh. I don’t know any black men under the age of 60 who wouldn’t screw a rosebush on the off chance that there was a snake hiding in it.

  18. @Talha

    The only thing keeping women’s tennis afloat are the 4 majors, where women are awarded equal prize money even though they only have to play best of three sets while men play best of 5. A women’s match is often over in less than an hour, while the men, as the fields are much deeper in talent, quite often play over 3 hours. If it was equal pay for equal work, male players would be paid 3 times what the women make.

  19. The only sport I watch where women play is golf (I must live a very boring life). I like watching some of the Korean and Japanese players. Many are cute and all are well behaved. Soccer, (both mens and womens), does nothing for me. I cannot understand why millions watch for 3 hours when the final score is 1-0.

    In golf, women don’t get equal prize money with men, and the reason is obvious – few are paying attention. Watching harpies like that pink-haired Rapone woman demanding equal pay – when no one watches – is disgusting. She needs to take a course in Econ 101.

  20. @follyofwar

    Social Justice majors are not required to take any business or econ courses.

  21. Dark says:

    I’ll admit watching women’s soccer, but only the teams with the attractive females. I guess that’s “bad.” I wonder what would go through their minds, debating whether it was OK because they’d get higher numbers, or BAD because I don’t really care about how good they are.

  22. @follyofwar

    A football match lasts for 90 minutes, two 45 minutes halfs with few minutes added as injury time, it may seem like a 3 hour game because you have no interest

    BTW the millions who watch are sometimes very happy with a 0-0 score line, it all depends on whats at stake for each team

  23. @Diversity Heretic

    I much prefer Volleyball to beach Volleyball, the women look better IMO, long legs and great asses

  24. Professional sports is all fixed, they are all on steroids, and you know about “female” atheletes, dontcha?

    What is it with you guys and your sports fetish? You act like it matters or something. Maybe for distracting the masses. But nothing else.

  25. @follyofwar

    In a world of increasingly negative sovereign bond yields, Econ 101 is obsolete. Get a copy of Mao’s Red Book.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  26. Soccer is so boring I even fall asleep reading about it. From a purely competitive standpoint, women’s fastpitch softball is the best to watch.

  27. Isn’t it good for women that they’re less interested in televised sports in principle? Professional sports are an especially disgusting kind of show business. Why? Because when someone sells you “sex, drugs, and rock ‘n’ roll”, it’s an honest offer. You can take it if you like sex, drugs, or rock’n’roll, or pass if you don’t. But with sport shows it’s not like that. They supposedly offer you health, beauty, and national honor, when in reality it’s expensive biorobots and interests of greedy capitalists.

  28. 216 says: • Website


    MEN AND #METOO: Half of men (51%) say the #MeToo movement has caused them to act differently overall; specifically, nearly 40% of men are now more reserved towards female colleagues at work and 34% of men said they act more reserved on a date because of the movement. Millennial men are leading the way here, with 37% acting more reserved on a date, compared to Gen Z men at only 16%.
    SINGLES, DATING AND #METOO: 59% of today’s singles say the #MeToo movement is important to them (46% Men; 69% Women); and almost half say it has sparked necessary discussions. It has changed behavior too: Overall, both men and women are more reserved when approaching someone new in public (35%), as well as when on a date (33%), and with what they post on social media (28%). Additionally, when with a new potential partner, 19% of singles think twice about the jokes they make, the topics they discuss (15%), and about inviting that person to come home with them (15%).

    Confused how they spun this

    A SEX DROUGHT? Americans believe Millennials can’t be bothered with sex. Not true. 49% of Gen Z and Millennials are motivated to find a sex partner

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  29. snorlax says:

    The difference here is well within the margin of error, but assuming it’s real the explanation is pretty mundane: men are more interested in watching sports than women are.

    ETA: There’s also social desirability bias; women don’t have to worry about being accused of sexism for admitting they have no interest.

  30. Jay Fink says:

    I only know one person who follows women’s sports. He is really into it and knows all their names. He especially likes the WNBA and has no problem with how butch the players are. This fan is a 50 year old Chinese-American, a lifelong incel. He is also a huge fan of WWE men’s wrestling, thinks it’s real and hasn’t missed a week since he was a teenager.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  31. L Woods says:

    OT: only a matter of time before this faux-“disruptive” rag jumped on the bandwagon:

    Congressman Aguilar of California offered an amendment to the National Defense Authorization Act which would require the military to study the feasibility of screening enlistees for white nationalist sentiments.

    If only they have could screened them for anti-Constitutional sentiments (you know, that piece of paper that the military actually swears an oath to uphold), we’d be well rid of this odious parasite.

    Frankly, allies like France have quite a bit more legal latitude to deal with terrorism that threatens their citizens than the United States does.

    You know who else has quite a bit more legal latitude to deal with “terrorism?” North Korea. Why don’t “we” take a leaf from them.

  32. L Woods says:
    @L Woods

    While Islamic extremism is viewed as a kind of foreign import not indigenous to our country, white supremacy “Was the state ideology. It took historic civic protest, Supreme Court decisions and congressional action for this ideology to lose its hold on the state,”

    …so in other words, this sniveling trough feeder would designate just about every American who ever lived a “terrorist,” and the U.S. itself a state sponsor of such. I simply don’t know what it’s going to take for “respectable” conservatives to get it.

  33. ” . . . we’re just dying for more of these moments”

    If you never wanted to free your self in any encumbrance after achieving some goal, especially in sports, then you have never won or achieved a hard sought milestone in your life. A physical demonstration of an one’s internal relief and release of pressure.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  34. countenance says: • Website

    Because it reminds men of the days when they were soccer dads to their little girls.

  35. Patriotism and Sport by Chesterton:

    It is a good sign in a nation when [athletics] are done badly. It shows that all the people are doing them. And it is a bad sign in a nation when such things are done very well, for it shows that only a few experts and eccentrics are doing them, and that the nation is merely looking on. Suppose that whenever we heard of walking in England it always meant walking forty-five miles a day without fatigue. We should be perfectly certain that only a few men were walking at all, and that all the other British subjects were being wheeled about in Bath-chairs. But if when we hear of walking it means slow walking, painful walking, and frequent fatigue, then we know that the mass of the nation still is walking. We know that England is still literally on its feet.

    The difficulty is therefore that the actual raising of the standard of athletics has probably been bad for national athleticism. Instead of the tournament being a healthy melee into which any ordinary man would rush and take his chance, it has become a fenced and guarded tilting-yard for the collision of particular champions against whom no ordinary man would pit himself or even be permitted to pit himself. If Waterloo was won on Eton cricket-fields it was because Eton cricket was probably much more careless then than it is now. As long as the game was a game, everybody wanted to join in it. When it becomes an art, every one wants to look at it. When it was frivolous it may have won Waterloo: when it was serious and efficient it lost Magersfontein.

    Prophetic (what with the few people who post on social media about running marathons, when the many won’t even park their cars at the end of the parking lot to walk across it). There’s also a funny bit of 100-year-old “HBD” there, which turned out not prophetic at all:

    (…) it is, broadly speaking, true that the Jews are, as a race, pacific, intellectual, indifferent to war, like the Indians, or, perhaps, contemptuous of war, like the Chinese: nevertheless, of the very good prize-fighters, one or two have been Jews.

  36. pyrrhus says:

    Both of those sets of numbers would be much smaller if actual viewership were measured…But the main advantage of women’s soccer is that it isn’t nearly as ghastly as women’s basketball….

  37. @L Woods

    They’re already replacing the “white” soldiers with blacks and Hispanics who will have no problem gunning down whites.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    , @Twinkie
  38. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    And those are exactly the demographics which go for the REMF jobs and avoid the combat-arms assignments, and have notoriously poor unit cohesion under fire.

    Up against good ol’ boys with bow-hunting camouflage and the patience to play sniper, I doubt that they’d last more than a day before cracking.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  39. @follyofwar

    I cannot understand why millions watch for 3 hours when the final score is 1-0.

    Cricket, with scores like these, is so much more thrilling!

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  40. Twinkie says:
    @Mr. Rational

    Up against good ol’ boys with bow-hunting camouflage and the patience to play sniper, I doubt that they’d last more than a day before cracking.

    While this is a sentiment I share, in reality, elite units are disproportionately drawn from adventurous middle class to upper-middle class types rather than “good ol’ boys.”

    • Replies: @L Woods
    , @Mr. Rational
  41. Twinkie says:

    They’re already replacing the “white” soldiers with blacks and Hispanics who will have no problem gunning down whites.

    No. High readiness combat units are disproportionately white, and that won’t change any time soon, because professional military service is highly hereditary.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @L Woods
  42. L Woods says:

    As I’ve noted around here before, the rated Air Force is a good case study for this. Despite decades of aggressive AA/poz (and the usual servile acquiescence from conservatives), the aircrew world is still very strongly white and male (although the quality of said white males is not what it once was, a manifestation of exactly the downward talent/prestige spiral one would expect to see particularly from the promotion of women).

  43. L Woods says:

    I think he’s referring to notional anti-government insurgents. In truth, white male combat troops would all too willing and able to crush any “Nazis” their masters point them towards (especially the sycophantic officers).

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  44. @The Alarmist

    He was great on gender equality, after all!

  45. @216

    Pithily, again: We Are Doomed.

  46. @Jay Fink

    Real athleticism (it is), but surely not real, non-choreographed brawling, right? Right?

  47. @L Woods

    When the SHTF, it’s not inconceivable that the US experiences what so many other countries in the Western Hemisphere have. If the military ranks are filled with salt-of-the-earth white boys from flyover America, things could get a lot trickier than the powers that be would prefer.

  48. @EliteCommInc.

    The question is whether or not it was contrived. The ridiculous jigs that are performed by someone after every single play in the NFL are not the consequence of a player’s emotional bucket being so full that it overflows and spills out all over the place.

    But sometimes the latter is the explanation. The famous Richard Sherman blowup is one such instance:

  49. @Reg Cæsar

    The bemusement I felt when I was in elementary school hasn’t changed an iota in the intervening decades:

  50. @Twinkie

    elite units are disproportionately drawn from adventurous middle class to upper-middle class types rather than “good ol’ boys.”

    In other words, the exact opposite of the “blacks and hispanics who will have no trouble gunning down whites.”

    When Pedro and Shitavious come up against Billy-Bob and Jedadiah in the latter’s home territory, they’ll become fish food more often than not.  Upper-middle class whites like Pat Tillman will probably shoot their superior officers and go to ground rather than obey orders to kill Billy-Bob.  That is going to be a serious incentive for said officers to defect to the resistance along with their troops; both they and their families will have much better life expectancies that way.

    Billy-Bob and Jedadiah are making lists and checking them twice even today.  So are Pat’s brothers in spirit.  The cold war is already on and everyone knows it.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  51. dfordoom says: • Website
    @L Woods

    In truth, white male combat troops would all too willing and able to crush any “Nazis” their masters point them towards (especially the sycophantic officers).

    But don’t you remember what happened in the Civil War? When the troops were drawn up for the first battle of the war and they all spontaneously threw down their guns and declared that they refused to shoot down fellow white Americans?

    • LOL: iffen
  52. Laugh.

    It could possibly be contrived. Sports is entertainment afterall.

    Though in my view, it was spontaneous exuberance . . .

    excuse the delay

    “The famous Richard Sherman blowup is one such instance:”

    different issue by context.

  53. @Mr. Rational

    While I don’t relish anything about the thought of the cold civil war going hot, I am skeptical of the idea that the US military would massacre middle America if ordered. Quite the opposite, I imagine, which is why the push for diversity, uber-PC, screening recruits for “white nationalism” (which probably means voting Republican), etc has been so unrelenting. The Establishment realizes this for the Achilles’ heel that it is.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @dfordoom
    , @L Woods
  54. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Audacious Epigone

    I am skeptical of the idea that the US military would massacre middle America if ordered.

    They won’t be told to massacre middle America. They’ll be told that it’s necessary for them to kill the Nazis. Nazis are an existential threat. They’ll be told that the government has discovered that there are even more Nazis than was originally thought. Those Nazis are planning to take over the government. If they’re not stopped it will be the end of America.

    They’ll be told that it might be necessary to accept a certain amount of collateral damage but that the government will try to minimise this. Like they did at Waco.

    If the Nazis take over state governments (calling themselves secessionists which of course is code for white supremacist Nazis) then it may be necessary to deploy military force against them. No carpet bombing or anything like that, but maybe surgical strikes using drones. Unfortunately the occasional wedding party might get wiped out but it’s better for that to happen than to allow Nazis to escape.

    When you control the media you control what people think. People will see Nazis where the authorities want them to see Nazis. White people with guns organising together is pretty much Nazis by definition.

    • Agree: L Woods
    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  55. L Woods says:
    @Audacious Epigone

    I agree completely that they perceive this as an Achilles heel — I just think they happen to be wrong. If anything, in the long run, The Diverse are more likely to turn on them — the extent of sentiment I’ve heard from NAM enlisted that would be considered “racist,” “anti-Semitic,” etc, in the extreme if uttered by whites is very striking.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  56. @dfordoom

    They’re wearing the term out way too soon. A decade ago, the same thought experiment could’ve worked with “racists” instead of “nazis”. Not anymore, though, because even normies often roll their eyes at the racist accusation. We’ll get there with “white supremacism”, too. We are already on our way with “white nationalism”, which we’re hearing less about in favor of the former. What’s after white supremacy? Nazis, maybe, but that’s a road too far for a lot of people.

  57. @L Woods

    Maybe they’ll just take power themselves.

    While that’s far from ideal, I’m not being ironic in saying that it could be worse.

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