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The following graph shows net immigration enthusiasm by selected demographic characteristics. Scores are computed by taking the percentages who say they favor increasing the number of immigrants in the US and subtracting from them the percentages who say they favor decreasing that number. For contemporary relevance, all results are from 2012 onward:

Affluent Asian and Jewish men with advanced degrees–there aren’t many of those working at Google, Facebook, Youtube, or Twitter, are there? It’s not like those companies have any influence over public opinion, anyway!

Parenthetically, you got me, Rosie.

GSS variables used: RACECEN1(1)(2)(4-10), HISPANIC(1)(2-50), SEX, CLASS, PARTYID(0-1)(2-4)(5-6), RELIG(1-2,4-13)(3), DEGREE(0-2)(3)(4)

 
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  1. Thomm says:

    This chart would seem to contradict the data depicted in the charts from a few days ago :

    https://www.unz.com/anepigone/american-support-for-immigration-by-race-over-time/

    From the charts in the link, even whites have a net increase in enthusiasm for immigration (as do blacks).

    But the bar chart above indicates the opposite. That is, unless ‘enthusiasm’ and ‘preferred policy recommendation’ can be diametrically opposed to each other (e.g. “I hate immigrants, but I need them to boost my home’s price and build up my home equity”).

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  2. So I am going to stick to my druthers here —-

    No one who supports open borders is going to get applause among any demographic save two. That longer view paints a different picture. I would say that the shorter stats indicate increased participation of younger liberals, libertarians and democrats.

    Laughing.

    When I was younger I had more respect for my elders than to wish them a speedy trip to the grave to get them out of the way. To the younger voters I would say the country will eventually be in your hands if you care about country skip the emotions and focus on the pragmatics. Immigration, even legal immigration is not the answer.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @EliteCommInc.
  3. Twinkie says:

    Hispanics are mildly anti-immigration – I suspect much of this has to do with the fact that the majority of Hispanics are now American-born and/or because there is enough of a cohort of older Hispanics with longer history of residence in the United States (in other words, not recent arrivals).

    With Asians, a large majority is foreign-born or first-generation American-born to foreign-born immigrant parents (more recent arrivals). It’s conceptually difficult for many such people to reject immigration (and those who do reject mass immigration among that group are often immediately attacked as hypocrites).

    A couple of weeks ago, another commenter (Feryl?) posted a graph on opinion disparities regarding immigration by race and political affiliation, and the opinion gap between Asian Republicans vs. Democrats/Independents was the greatest. To me, this seems to support the idea that Asians are quite polarized on the issue of immigration and are likely divided by factors such as birth location, levels of assimilation, and ethnicity/national origin.

    I don’t know what’s up with Jews who are in the vast majority American-born and multi-generational in the country. Perhaps they always feel safer in a more multi-ethnic/-racial country without a strong unitary and assimilative majority culture?

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    , @SFG
    , @snorlax
    , @t
    , @jimmyriddle
  4. Seriously, it would be interesting to map this against mental health stats; better still against a time series.

    https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/statistics/mental-illness.shtml

  5. Twinkie says:
    @Twinkie

    A couple of weeks ago, another commenter (Feryl?) posted a graph

    Sorry, it was Oblivionrecurs, not Feryl. See:

    https://www.unz.com/anepigone/restrictionism-in-retreat/#comment-3371741

  6. SFG says:
    @Twinkie

    Hey, if it wasn’t for the Jewish commenters, it’d be 14.5.

    Seriously, it’s partly that (though I draw entirely the opposite lesson from the events of 1933-1945 than most people), though I think a lot of it is being much more into the whole ‘woke’ culture than a lot of other groups. (Of course they’re behind a lot of it to start with, but given that this is the GSS we’re looking at the proles and outer party–the inner party is a blip in statistics, if in nothing else.)

    I also suspect it’s loaded on education (which has become leftist indoctrination)–note the effect on Asians is even higher than Jews, while on Hispanics it’s actually slightly negative. Look how quickly we’ve produced a Sarah Jeong, who did all the woke signalling well enough to wind up on the NYT editorial board.

  7. snorlax says:
    @Twinkie

    A negative result doesn’t mean “anti-immigration” because there was also a “keep levels the same” option.

    AE, can you do a “increase + keep the same – decrease” chart?

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  8. Thomm says:

    AE, can you do a “increase + keep the same – decrease” chart?

    He did (at least by race). Just two days before this article :

    https://www.unz.com/anepigone/american-support-for-immigration-by-race-over-time/

    The thing is, the two charts are somewhat contradictory.

  9. t says:
    @Twinkie

    Hispanic support for immigration by generation since 2012 using RACEHISP BORN and PARBORN

    Foreign born: +11
    US born with at least one foreign born parent: -7
    US born with two US born parents: -28

    • Agree: Twinkie
    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  10. Michael S says:

    Really wish we could separate South Asians from East Asians. We all tend to think of them as the yellow bar, which of course is the whole point of that umbrella category, but I’m pretty sure the ones really driving up open-borders fanaticism belong in their own brown bar.

    • Replies: @t
  11. t says:
    @Michael S

    China and Japan n=92 ETHNIC (5,7) Increased 25%, Same 53%, reduced 22%. +3 Total
    India ETHNIC (31) n=62 Increased 30%, Same 48%, reduced 22%. +8 Total
    Filipino ETHNIC (20) n=57 Increased 33%, Same 36%, reduced 31%. +2 Total

  12. @Thomm

    It doesn’t contradict them, though I admit getting adequate sample sizes is tricky given how sentiment has shifted so much in the last couple of decades. The relative comparisons are more important than the absolute figures, all of which look more enthusiastic in 2018 than they did in 2012. It’s not quite same-sex marriage, but it’s close.

    • Replies: @Thomm
  13. @snorlax

    I’ll just do a decrease chart to avoid a graph in negative territory.

    • Replies: @snorlax
  14. Thomm says:
    @Audacious Epigone

    But the chart in the August 5 article shows whites inclined towards increasing immigration, even as this August 7 chart indicates a net desire to decrease immigration among whites (and blacks).

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  15. Parenthetically, to Rosie, sexbots will not compete with wives, but with hookers, porn theaters, strippers. Specially after “sex workers” become legal and drive up their prices through regulation.

    Will wives be affected? If feminism, brolife, notch-hunting, slutwalks, fakesex (which would include these bots), tinder, and other antifamily trends continue, probably. Not that I justify the incels who choose sexbots, or real-life sluts for that matter, but they are the other side of the coin from the coldhearted Instagram sugarbaby that gets tired of sheepish men asking for free nudes and sees them as ATMs.

    And of course, the responsibility for fixing all these things up will not be handled properly by women alone, so any men of today hiding from it, get out of the womb and lead… forget The Big Bang Theory ideals, and other fake news about nerds and weak men finding love.
    “Weak men” btw includes the Jersey Shore types, who represent a phony hedonistic doped up masculinity, a perversion of the ideal that drives away from masculinity those smart dudes who may also like physical activity and courting. Such toxic type of male confuses and embitters the women evermore, even making them think the smart soft incel is a nice alternative… until it isn’t, said softness quite present in the lucky incel’s troubled mind, making him a submissive pet rather than a dependable husband. This is the case of first divorces galore as women (usually the Americanized “strong” type already, who play all the options and take longer to get married so eventually have to settle) get tired of niceness-as-only-selling-point… all while mutual embittering continues…
    Yes, I may know too many shitty people; doesn’t mean their condition isn’t spreading, thanks to ideals that may only work for Scandinavians and their descendants, if at all…

    Ontopic, I’m in that -4.7%. The rest, well, they remember the words of Sonny Corleone: “Your country ain’t your blood, and you know that”.
    (Whispanics love The Godfather more than Scarface, which on the other hand is usually loved by mestizos [specially if Americanized, or as pale as Tony, or as ghetto as the rappers who love Scarface]).

    Otherwise, loving the trends, showing the usual suspects too, college graduates, elites, Dems, Asians and Semites (any difference?). Enthusiasm is indeed not policy preference, as enthusiasm sounds like a more sincere and strong all-encompassing feeling; while “preferred policy” is something you can lie or waffle indecisively about easier, to sound smart and/or take advantage (i.e. real estate devs). Perhaps that is why women seem a bit less enthusiastic than men, they see more competition in the form of exotic AND more domestic women; and only enough attractive Asian engineers, while too many cholos and Somalis (nonwithstanding there being more Dem than Rep women, and therefore, more immigrant enthusiasm in practice among women, thanks to the voting booth).

    Interesting also to see Filipinos being somewhat more restrictionist than Indians, probably because the former have some slight attachment to the US (former colony) while also don’t have a Brahmin caste that wants to expand their rule. Meanwhile East Asians, as always, want to keep the trend steady but in favor…

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Rosie
    , @Rosie
  16. @Twinkie

    Jews are also more likely to be rich and I’d guess the very wealthy tend to be pro open borders for cheap labour reasons. Cross tabbing by wealth might be interesting, if such data exists.

    Meanwhile, another bunch of Jews have been caught facilitating low IQ immigration:

    https://www.wired.com/story/a-crashed-israeli-lunar-lander-spilled-tardigrades-on-the-moon

  17. Talha says:
    @Disordered D

    a Brahmin caste that wants to expand their rule.

    And Hindutva are pretty head over heels right now about demographically expanding into Kashmir – precisely what the international agreements were supposed to keep from happening. They have unilaterally repealed their constitutional amendment that allowed for Kashmiri limited-autonomy until its sovereign status is finally resolved:
    “Hundreds have been arrested since Monday, according to local media, in the wake of the decision by Modi’s Hindu-nationalist government to downgrade the portion of Kashmir it administers from statehood to a territory, limit its decision-making power and eliminate its right to its own constitution…Critics of the BJP have also accused it of changing the constitution to shift Jammu and Kashmir’s demographics – it is currently majority Muslim – as well as to pander to its Hindu nationalist base, which has long demanded the right to own property in Kashmir. ”
    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/08/concern-kashmir-lockdown-hundreds-reported-arrested-190808200958052.html

    So now the situation is fairly similar to Palestine and the ball is now in the Ummah’s court.

    It’s going to go one of two ways:
    1. The Muslim elite (who have about as much contempt for normal Muslims as White elites do for average Whites) are simply going to let this happen and help prevent any help from getting to the Kashmiris:

    And in fact, keep heavily supplying to Indian occupation with necessary oil:

    2. The Ummah is going (hopefully) consider this another 80’s Afghanistan-style situation and mobilize. It wouldn’t take much honestly – give me 5,000 Chechens backed by twice that number of Uzbeks as the backbone of an insurgency in Kashmir and I will guarantee you they will put the fear of God in the Indian military and photos of burning tank hulls will become routine news coming out of that area.

    Maybe a deal can be cut with China; hey, you guys want to get rid of your militant Uyghurs, right – well, send them to Kashmir and sap the strength of a major geopolitical rival while you’re at it!

    So keep your eye on it as a place where demographic change is occurring.

    Peace.

  18. @Talha

    This situation will happen to canada in 30 years and America in 40.

    I wish the kashmiris luck but unfortunately I’m not too optimistic.

    • Replies: @Talha
  19. Talha says:
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    Well, you don’t share a border with India – so there’s that. And they don’t have 600,000 soldiers in British Columbia.

    I will tell you this, if the Kashmiris are able to fight this off given what’s at stake and all of what is stacked against them – it should really put everyone else to shame who is complaining since the only thing people need to do here is convince people and change laws.

    Again, having a boat load of these guys willing to go toe to toe for your side always helps:
    https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/chechen-fighters-prepare-before-heading-for-the-frontline-a-few-away-picture-id91373973

    Peace.

  20. Rosie says:
    @Disordered D

    who play all the options and take longer to get married so eventually have to settle)

    I’m still waiting for evidence that women rather than men are responsible for delayed marriage.

    more immigrant enthusiasm in practice among women, thanks to the voting booth).

    Women are not practically more immigrant-enthusiastic than men unless you (incorrectly) assume that Republicans are (in practice) less immigrant-enthusiastic than Democrats. Of course, they are not.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  21. Rosie says:
    @Rosie

    I should add, in AE’s defense and yours, that women are somewhat easier to persuade (by manipulation of feelings of shame) to repress their antipathy to outgroup immigration. This can easily be mistaken for immigration enthusiasm, but it is practically very different. To remedy the former, all this needed is reform of the culture away from ethnomasochism toward healthy nongroup preference.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
  22. Rosie says:
    @Disordered D

    they see more competition in the form of exotic AND more domestic women;

    I note here the ongoing assumption that an obsession with sex is behind women’s opinions about immigration. If we don’t support immigration to import more sexual partners, then we must oppose it to exclude any competition. The possibility that we would just prefer to not have our children race-replaced in our own country is simply not considered.

  23. iffen says:
    @Talha

    Maybe it won’t be nasty. Maybe they will decide to do a peaceful Czechoslovakian dissolution. After all, they have tons of diversity strength in their favor.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Audacious Epigone
  24. Talha says:
    @iffen

    It’s already not peaceful…
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/nov/08/india-crackdown-in-kashmir-is-this-worlds-first-mass-blinding

    And it just got worse. Kashmir is the most militarized zone (per capita) on earth. The only question now is; what will the Muslim world do about it? I definitely don’t blame the Hindutva government in all this, what else does one expect from them? The Muslim leadership are the true culprits, they can stop this as of yesterday.

    The Hindutva government made this move unilaterally and just graduated into official occupation force. They need to be pushed back; either with an oil embargo or a few hundred dead soldiers and a dozen destroyed vehicles per week – both would get the job done faster.

    On a related front, I’m glad Pakistan is making amends for the nonsense that happened as the result of the communal violence that ripped India and Pakistan apart during partition (and despite the crap the Hindutva government is doing in India):
    “The Imran Khan led Pakistani administration has decided to reopen Hindu temples in the predominantly Muslim country. The Pakistani Government has announced that 400 temples will be restored. Two temples will be restored every year.”
    https://www.worldreligionnews.com/religion-news/pakistan-will-restore-return-400-hindu-temples/amp/

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    , @iffen
  25. Rosie says:
    @Talha

    Talha what is Hindutva? I’m not familiar with the term.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @Rosie
    , @Talha
  26. Rosie says:
    @Rosie

    Oh. I guess nationalism is considered just as intolerable in India as in the West, and it’s White people’s fault, if course:

    The three essentials of Hindutva, he concluded, were a common nation (rashtra), a common race (jati) and a common culture or civilisation (sanskriti). The impress of Europe on his thinking is reflected by the similarity of this slogan with the German Nazi party’s ein volk (one people), ein reich (one nation), ein Fuhrer (one leader). And just as the Nazis decided that Jews could not be a part of this ‘volk’, Muslims and Christians could not belong to the Hindu jati, because their sanskriti and their prophets originated outside of the Hindu civilisation.

    https://thewire.in/politics/hindutva-muslims-rss-hindu-rashtra

    • Replies: @Talha
  27. iffen says:
    @Talha

    “The Imran Khan led Pakistani administration has decided to reopen Hindu temples in the predominantly Muslim country. The Pakistani Government has announced that 400 temples will be restored. Two temples will be restored every year.”

    I didn’t know about this, seems to be a good thing. I was surprised that they immediately returned the downed pilot a couple of months ago. Maybe they are going to play the “good guys” card against the Hindus.

    • Replies: @Talha
  28. Talha says:
    @Rosie

    The Hindu nationalist ideology that is in control of India. A lot of it is basically derivative of the old school Hindu nationalists – the kind that killed Ghandi. Their butt-hurtery over being ruled by Muslims for centuries knows no bounds and now they want revenge, preferably by eventually removing Muslims from India altogether. They are also not hot about Christians since they are seen as reminders of their butt-hurtery from British rule:
    https://cruxnow.com/global-church/2018/02/22/attacks-indias-christians-doubled-2017/

    Dalits (loser caste) are also not spared:
    https://www.news18.com/news/india/dalit-boy-tied-up-beaten-by-upper-caste-for-trying-to-enter-temple-in-rajasthans-pali-no-police-action-yet-2172785.html

    To clarify, many Hindus you will come across do not think this way and are decent people and are shocked at what’s happening in India, but it is happening and the Hindutva are becoming more entrenched.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @Rosie
  29. Talha says:
    @iffen

    Whatever butt-hurt Hindutvas do, the Pakistani administration should not let that guide their own policies towards their Hindu minority. One should do these things because they are the right thing to do by principle.

    I am glad the temples will be restored and returned, those are Hindu properties and Muslims have no right to usurp them. If it happened during partition it is best to resolve these things while that generation is still alive so that some later generations don’t have to inherit that injustice that they never participated in.

    Peace.

  30. iffen says:
    @Talha

    but it is happening and the Hindutva are becoming more entrenched.

    And it’s all Trump’s fault just like our SJWs said!

    • LOL: Talha
  31. Talha says:
    @Rosie

    The problem with trying to apply the term “nationalism” onto India is that it has zero historical applicability. India is not simply one nation, in fact it is more like Europe in its diversity (a true subcontinent cut off from Much of Asia by a large mountain range – sound familiar?) – the people near Nepal have very little in common with Muslim Kashmiris or Tamils. It would be akin to trying to unite Europe by some common theme.

    Peace.

  32. Rosie says:
    @Talha

    Their butt-hurtery over being ruled by Muslims for centuries knows no bounds and now they want revenge, preferably by eventually removing Muslims from India altogether. They are also not hot about Christians since they are seen as reminders of their butt-hurtery from British rule:

    That’s a shame. I understand the butthurt certainly, what with that business of Moorish Spain and all, but at the end of the day, you have to move on at some point.

    • Replies: @Talha
  33. Talha says:
    @Rosie

    you have to move on at some point

    Yup, but butt-hurtery won’t let you.

    I’m not joking when I say this; when you come across these guys online – it is fascinating. They can’t wait for the opportunity to raze the Taj Mahal, Red Fort, Sheesh Mahal, Lodi Gardens, etc. and all such things to the ground because they are reminders that their “we wuz veggie kangz before Mudslime barbarians killed 5 billion of us with their bare hands” ideology is stupid. The butt-hurtery isn’t helped by the fact that they likely know most of their tourism industry will enter a terminal nosedive once they replace these historical sites with – I don’t know – statues in homage to Ganesh or a Tata manufacturing plant.

    India Tourist Sites

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    , @iffen
  34. @Thomm

    The August 5th one shows each data point by the year it was collected (the GSS conducts surveys every other year), this more recent one averages responses from 2012 through 2018. Because every group (except Hispanics) is moving towards open borders, this causes some confusion. It’s unusual for social positions to change this quickly–at least it used to be, before same-sex marriage and now immigration, apparently.

    • Replies: @Feryl
  35. @iffen

    Heh, I get that this is tongue-in-cheek, but the norms are different in the West than they are on the subcontinent. If it can be done peacefully anywhere, it’s in the West (at least for a little while longer).

    • Replies: @iffen
  36. iffen says:
    @Audacious Epigone

    Right.

    One would think that some here (the US) might look at places like Kashmir and say to themselves, “So this is what hate and racial/religious supremacy really looks like; it’s not anything like Trump and the badwhites.”

    I’m not counting on it.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @Talha
  37. Rosie says:
    @Talha

    say this; when you come across these guys online – it is fascinating. They can’t wait for the opportunity to raze the Taj Mahal, Red Fort, Sheesh Mahal, Lodi Gardens, etc.

    Have any of your Muslim scholars ever taken note of the Lord’s Prayer? I find prayer to be exceedingly awkward. What do you say to the Omniscient Almighty? Yet, I find the LP to be theologically perfect in every way. I always use it, because nothing I could ever come up with sounds so pathetic by comparison.

    Our Father who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name.
    Thy kingdom come.
    Thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven.
    Give us this day our daily bread;
    and forgive us our trespasses,
    as we forgive those who trespass against us;
    and lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @Talha
  38. iffen says:
    @Rosie

    What do you say to the Omniscient Almighty?

    You could call his attention to the matters where he screwed up.

  39. iffen says:
    @Talha

    They can’t wait for the opportunity to raze the Taj Mahal

    Some of your peeps (I know, I know, you don’t claim them) showed the way with their demolition of ancient Buddhas.

    • Replies: @Talha
  40. Talha says:
    @iffen

    Yup, but the Taliban have nothing on these guys!

    Butt-hurtery is the apex of radical ideologies .

    Peace.

  41. Talha says:
    @iffen

    So this is what hate and racial/religious supremacy really looks like

    My friend, butt-hurtery will never accept second place on the sacred totem pole of victimhood, even when in direct competition with other butt-hurtery.

    Peace.

  42. Talha says:
    @Rosie

    I’ve always liked the Lord’s Prayer – very beautiful and comprehensive.

    We do have something that others have called our “Lord’s Prayer” – the opening chapter of the Qur’an which goes like:

    In the Name of Allah, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful.
    All the praise belongs to Allah, the Lord of the worlds
    The Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful
    The Owner/King of the Day of Judgment
    You Alone do we worship, and You Alone do we ask for help
    Guide us to the straight path
    The Way of those on whom You have bestowed Your Grace, not of those who earned Your Anger, nor of those who went astray

    As far as forgiving trespasses; from what I have been taught is that forgiving and pardoning transgressions against oneself should be done regularly (daily if possible). It is one of the quickest paths to earn favor and gain closeness to the Divine.

    Peace.

    • Agree: Rosie
  43. Feryl says:
    @Audacious Epigone

    I would take survey results with a grain of salt WRT such explosive topics. It was either you or Agnostic who pointed out that early Boomers are the biggest free speech enthusiasts/cultural libertarians, while other generations are more inclined to caution in word and deed. And due to the current cultural Stalinism, which is what we’ve escalated to over the last 30+ years, how could you expect Millennials or Gen Z to be fully forthright in their responses?

    Older generations came of age in the relaxed environment of the New Deal, which frankly continued into the 60’s and 70’s (not everybody back then was a hippie or a rioter). GIs, Silents, and early Boomers were more comfortable admitting that well, maybe busing wasn’t such a hot idea after all, and saying other un-PC stuff. It was during the 80’s that the Right in particular began to actively shy away from anything perceived as “controversial” WRT race. And my late Boomer parents cautioned me to be careful about the subject of race. Since 90% of post-1990 immigration is non-white, being against immigrants is seen as de-facto racism. Younger generations are well aware of this, and are giving public statements in accordance with that understanding*.

    Hell, even during the New Deal, how many people would openly admit to being a communist?

    *Since the mid-2010’s, everything is now racial. Guys like Ron Unz could say, without much controversy in the 90’s, that too much cultural diversity (as measured by bi-lingual schooling) could undermine society. But that’s cuz back then, opposing “cultural” diversity was not automatically seen as “racist”.

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