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Ben Shapiro, smiter of strawmen:

Shapiro asserts that race and ethnicity have no bearing on how people vote. He allows that culture does, though, because culture “is about how people think”.

Neat if true. But people who think the same way, sharing conservative positions on various things, vote in radically different ways–depending on their race and ethnicity. The following graphs show how (non-Hispanic) whites, (non-Hispanic) blacks, and Hispanics with politically conservative opinions on a host of issues voted in the 2016 US presidential election (N = 824):

GSS variables used: RACECEN1(1)(2), HISPANIC(1)(2-50), ABANY, PRES16(1-2), ABANY, TAX, AFFRMACT(3-4), GOD(6), HOMOSEX(1), POLVIEWS(5-7)

 
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  1. Well then…

    …There goes the Conservative Inc. narrative!

  2. Truth says:

    Oh, so black people and Hispanics voted for the Harridan Tranny, and Whites voted for the Godless Sodomite?

    • Replies: @neutral
    , @Pheasant
  3. neutral says:
    @Truth

    Tell me, why are naggers so supportive of the homosexual crusader politicians, is it because they don’t care, or is it because they think it really is not consequential, or perhaps they support this for real. What is the truth here.

  4. LondonBob says:

    Black block voting is impressive, does any other race vote like that?

    • Replies: @Jim Christian
  5. @LondonBob

    Black block voting is impressive, does any other race vote like that?

    Indians (dots), Asians of every stripe and color.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    , @Lot
  6. Michael S says:

    Huh. So among Hispanics, the GQ is a far more powerful predictor than even religion. Good to know.

    I think this points at a truth that is between lil’ Ben’s magic dirt view and the blackpilled view: Hispanics do vote kinda tribally, but nowhere near the extent to which blacks do, and likely not enough for Democrats to use them as a reliable votebank.

    And in particular, the more the left pushes the LGBTWTFBBQ and “latinx” crap, which they seem unable to stop or even slow down at this point, the more they’re going to alienate a non-trivial number of those voters.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  7. Look at what I stumbled across before I sent out my AM communique on this article:

    https://rawlenyanzi.com/problem-proposition-nations/

    Rawle Nyanzi — photo under about tab

  8. @neutral

    The plain fucking unvarnished TRUTH is :

    Anything to fuck up whitey. (and get a gibs)

  9. Shapiro asserts that race and ethnicity have no bearing on how people vote. He allows that culture does, though, because culture “is about how people think”.

    Ben Shapiro also screeches on about so-called “Judeo-Christianity.”

    The Republican Party and Conservatism Inc. must be destroyed because they are both controlled by globalizer plutocrats who want to continue to attack the European Christian ancestral core of the USA by using mass legal immigration and mass illegal immigration as demographic weapons.

    STOP VOTING FOR THE REPUBLICAN PARTY!

    I wrote this in April of 2019 when a beautiful White Christian lady named Lauren Rose pointed out the nonsense of so-called “Judeo-Christianity” as used by Ben Shapiro:

    There is no such thing as so-called “Judeo-Christianity.” No eternal truth in the nonsense called “Judeo-Christian.”

    There is such a thing as Jew Bolshevism. Jew Bolsheviks are using mass legal immigration and illegal immigration as demographic weapons to attack and destroy European Christian nations.

    Remember, the Bolshevik Jews who control CBS/VIACOM attacked Richard Spencer because Spencer is talking about WHITE GENOCIDE and WHITE RACE REPLACEMENT.

    Ben Shapiro is an anti-White Bolshevik Jew who pushes mass legal immigration and multiculturalism.

  10. @Michael S

    Too optimistic as to supposedly conservative Hispanics in the USA.

    Their children attend government schools like everyone else, and their parents make absolutely no effort to change the curriculum on sex Ed or anything else.

    Their supposedly conservative and traditional parents and grandparents — like too many white supposed traditionalists — let them spend amounts of time being brainwashed and conditioned by TV, social media, movies, filthy “music” videos, etc.

    Talk to younger Hispanic “Americans” here in SoCal and get rudely ignorantly lectured on how intolerant and backwards you are and how bad this country has always been. I have.

    The Dems certainly can count on the descendants of the “conservative” Hispanics as a reliable votebank, and more.

    • Agree: Anonymousse
  11. Nick Fuentes is displaying more heart, guts and balls than a thousand disgusting politician whores in the rancid Republican Party. Fuentes is going after the donor-controlled whores in the Republican Party who think they speak for True Americans.

    Fuentes is only 21 years old and I will admit he has got more bravery and heart than I did at that age. I hope young Mr. Fuentes finds the time to read Thomas Hardy and Charles Dickens and Shakespeare as well as Sam Huntington and Pat Buchanan and Peter Brimelow and Sam Francis and the like. This middle-aged American is inspired by these young HAPPY WARRIORS in the Groyper Patriot Army.

    Fuentes must rhetorically go after demonic globalizer Pope Tango for his attacks on European Christendom, and Protestants must return the gesture by going after demonic globalizer whores like Russel D. Moore. Evil Baptist puke Russell D. Moore pushes mass legal immigration and mass illegal immigration and amnesty for illegal alien invaders. Both Pope Tango and Protestant scum like Russell D. Moore are nation-wrecking globalizers who want to destroy the historic American nation.

    These Groyper Guys are brave and patriotic and they are going to defeat the evil and demonic forces of globalization and financialization and multiculturalism and anti-White animosity emanating from the JEW/WASP ruling class of the American Empire.

    The spirit of George Washington and Andrew Jackson are on the side of Nick Fuentes and his patriotic band of brothers in the Groyper Patriot Army.

    Nick Fuentes and the Groyper Patriot Army want more FREE SPEECH and more OPEN DEBATE and they will defeat all the evil and demonic treasonites who want to destroy the historic American nation.

    Attention Catholics and Protestants:

    Slightly lessen the inter-religious brawl so you can focus on destroying the true enemy of the historic American nation. The true enemy of the historic American nation is the evil and demonic JEW/WASP ruling class of the American Empire.

    GOD BLESS THE GROYPERS!

    GOD BLESS THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!

    • Replies: @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
  12. “Tell me, why are naggers so supportive of the homosexual crusader politicians, is it because they don’t care, or is it because they think it really is not consequential, or perhaps they support this for real. What is the truth here.”

    I have tow responses:

    1. I supported the current president during the election he made it quite clear that he had no objections to this behavior including marriage. Despite my disagreement voted for him anyway. One of the issues with types of surveys is that they don’t explore very effectively.

    2. Suppose you are a black citizen living in the US, for several generations you attended church, as an evangelical or fundamentalist bible toten christian. You got up and went to work every mon-friday and sometimes more. Sent your kids to school and essentially did what most do. But at every turn, ever mindful that color was going to be an issue that would be pressed against you. your great grand daddy was loyal republican — “cuz no matta what they freed the slaves” . . . but that party that freed the slaves not only stopped short of enforcing the law, but actually applauded the use of the law to ensure inequality . . .

    by the 197o whatever value the party had was pretty much shot —- who would you vote for, the black vote in my view is not for same sex relational conduct, that is just part of the package to the party considered most considerate of your citizenship.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  13. dfordoom says: • Website
    @RadicalCenter

    Too optimistic as to supposedly conservative Hispanics in the USA.

    Their supposedly conservative and traditional parents and grandparents — like too many white supposed traditionalists — let them spend amounts of time being brainwashed and conditioned by TV, social media, movies, filthy “music” videos, etc.

    I really hate to say this but assuming that this cultural brainwashing turns apparently conservative ethnic groups into flaming liberals, then that suggests that Shapiro is correct on this point. Culture is what matters. If you control the culture you control the political process. If you control the culture you can to a very large extent control the way people think and the way they vote.

    This suggests that Blank Slatism may be more correct than Race Realism.

    It also suggests that the conservative surrender in the Culture War may really have been the greatest disaster of the past half-century. In fact it may have been a disaster on a scale that dwarfs all the other disasters of the same era.

    The Culture War was the one war that had to be fought, but conservatives didn’t bother fighting it.

  14. Screwtape says:
    @RadicalCenter

    Good point Radical. In my experience the 2nd and 3rd generation invader children are orders of magnitude more hostile to their hosts, more brazen with their demands, more entitled to gibs and special treatment, and more openly anti-white.

    I saw this 25 years ago with the campus mecha groups. All these angry brown kids constantly bitching about attending an elite white college in a white country established by white men returning from a world war.

    And now this attitude is the righteous one, not some fringe ethnic college lobby.

    My neighborhood is full of anti-gentrification (white) mexican invaders who by nature of sneaking in 30 or 40 years ago now ‘own’ this part of town. If only some group of whites had the balls to make such claims.

    The narrative of the repubs is false on every angle. They are retarded or evil or maybe evil retards.

  15. dfordoom says: • Website
    @EliteCommInc.

    I supported the current president during the election he made it quite clear that he had no objections to this behavior including marriage. Despite my disagreement voted for him anyway. One of the issues with types of surveys is that they don’t explore very effectively.

    That’s the key to the problem. Most people will not cast their vote on the basis of Culture War issues. The Culture War is the one war that ever really mattered but nobody ever cared enough about such issues to alter their votes.

    Which includes the Religious Right, which year after year cheerfully voted for Republicans who in practice ignored social, cultural and moral issues.

    And I’m not having a personal dig at you. We have all been guilty of doing the same thing. I’ve certainly done it myself. We have all bought into one of two lies – the lie propagated by the self-described Left that the Culture War is a just war, or the lie propagated by the self-described conservatives that the Culture War is irrelevant.

  16. Tiny Duck says:

    Impeachment starts today.

    This is it. Trump is done.

    And with his demise white supremacy will be dealt a blow.

    People of Color vote progressive because it is the right thing to do.

    Most people AGREE that white supremacy is evil

    • Replies: @nymom
    , @Amerimutt Golems
  17. Jason Liu says:
    @neutral

    Social minorities support each other in the name of equality, same in any society

  18. @Screwtape

    Yup same in Canada. FOBs are alright… I dont love them but I have decent relationships with some. Their kids are hateful, resentful and seem to be more like the “old country” than their parents… perhaps it’s simply regression to the mean.

    The truth is that they don’t belong here, they feel out of place because they are living in a country created for white Europeans. Of course, they also know that back home is a shithole and are totally consumed by a neverending lust for whiteys shiny toys. These internal contradictions lead to anger, I believe.

  19. “Which includes the Religious Right, which year after year cheerfully voted for Republicans who in practice ignored social, cultural and moral issues.’

    There’s not really anything to have a dig with me about.

    On the issues, no candidate registered as conservative in practice as Nominee Trump. On balance, he really was the only choice. Even hos position on protecting children in the womb was more committed than the others.

    The republican party has been mocking and taking advantage of conservatives across the board since the admin of Pres. Reagan. I am have one issue which is sacrosanct – It is foundational to all others and there n0minee trump again outshone all others. He even crossed a bridge too far when in defense of people of faith he said they didn’t have to forgive their enemies. Now clearly Christ calls us to forgive as bitter as i am I admit to being out God’s favor — a serious issue.

    However, what i think he meant and i agree is that being a christian does not demand rolling over as some many republicans have — so culturally and socially that someone open defended people of faith — way out front of the who one might normally vote for — there simply was not much question. My press for consistent ethos is why people find me unpalatable — laugh at least one reason.

    Laugh.

    Social conservatives can only measure the candidates by what they represent. Good grief if i was a red flag waiver, there were certainly plenty regarding Nominee Trump, but astonishingly enough he exceeded those present.

    When it came to same sex relations and marriage — I think that jury remains out. But it’s finally nice to see some pushback against the press against christian ethos and the constant unfounded blaming.

  20. RSDB says:
    @dfordoom

    Where this line of argument is incoherent is that ethnicity is culturally defined. Otherwise, it’s fairly sound, if expressed as a statement that direct biological influence, as far as racial characteristics go, on electioneering preferences is small.

    There is, however, a considerable indirect influence based on, of course, cultural factors, where race and culture are associated and race is a cultural marker.

  21. @Jim Christian

    I don’t know about .Indians, Jim, as it’d be damned hard to become as solid a bloc as black people have become. You may be right, but as for all Asians, I do know the Orientals aren’t nearly so solidified. Not even counting the older Vietnamese or Koreans that vote conservative from their remembrances of Communism, even the newer Chinese people are not solid D.

    What all the newer arrivals do is vote for their own interests as a race/ethnicity. This is what happens when you don’t have real assimilation. Trump, for example, talked about curtailing immigration. Well, lots of Chinese people have plans* – they may be bringing the Mother-in-law over to watch the kids. They may want to bring someone else over for good. They would vote against Trump based on that. There’s no concern for the direction of the country or any of that kind of crap, just whatever is best for their families.

    Then, as per Steve Sailer posts, when the Affirmative Action is impacting the Chinese people in a not-so-pleasant way anymore, again interfering with the plans for their kids, they may vote R if the red-squad guy is anti- not necessarily AA in general because it’s WRONG, but just on their side in the cases that affect them. Blocs of unassimilated foreigners are going to vote solely for their interests. Who knew?! (Besides that one Singaporean guy.)

    Black people, as voters, are another case entirely, bought off long ago by Lyndon Butthead Johnson, apparently for an infinite time scale.

    .

    * All this could be said for the .Indians too, BTW, Jim, but I’m just going by people that I know better

    • Agree: Jim Christian
    • Replies: @Jim Christian
  22. @Jason Liu

    Hey, Jason, you misspelt tribalism. You’re way, way off. Spell-check sucks sometimes, though right now I had to use it to check how to spell “misspelt”!

    • LOL: Twodees Partain
  23. One other observation with that graph,

    It’s very easy to comprehend why hispanics make up larger portion of the republican demographic . . .

    a. hispanola comprising large contingents of light skinned and brown hispanics are geographically closer.

    b. the very nature of relations between the US and light skinned or brown hispanic ethnics has been far more positive than even the dynamic between the country and its black citizens —

  24. Just look at those graphs! Yeah, Bush family, those Hispanics are natural Republicans. They just have a different voting culture, is all, where you put the free stuff ahead of your natural Republicanism for that one Tuesday every coupla’ years.

    As for the 2nd graph, well, it sounds like we need to push that anti-AA stuff at the get-togethers with the black church folk. It’s on up to 5 % now. Yeah, doesn’t sound great, but we’re gonna make it up in volume!

    • Replies: @LoutishAngloQuebecker
  25. Pheasant says:
    @Truth

    ‘Harridan Tranny, ‘

    Who?

    • Replies: @Truth
  26. Pheasant says:
    @dfordoom

    ‘This suggests that Blank Slatism may be more correct than Race Realism.’

    Conformity is a strong racial instinct in Africans. You will find this from Watts to Harlem to timbuktu. Just visit Africa you will see.

    They all have an odea that if other blacks do it it is fine and if other blacks do not do it it is not ok. This is the basis of thier morality.

    Individualism has never been strong among blacks. Shallow collective groupings held together by conformity are the order of the day.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  27. @MikeatMikedotMike

    He’s not wrong. Every minority group hates whitey right now. They all think that once whitey is “gone”, their group will be the new top dog.

    Does it make sense? No. And there will probably be violence between said groups. Strangely, whites probably were capable of living in a race free, kumbaya environment. But the 3rd worlders are not able to. They are too stupid. The liberal mind is the enlightened and open mind. The problem is that it fails against dumber but less liberal tribes.

    But it is what it is. Prepare accordingly.

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
    , @Feryl
  28. @Achmed E. Newman

    Mexicans I have met are liberal as hell.

    They don’t care – be gay, abort babies, be an alcoholic, drunk drive, as long as it doesn’t bother me – that’s their mindset

    Just being Catholic doesn’t make somebody a rock hard social conservative lol… the cartels are catholic… the mafia is catholic… the pedos are catholic… the Pope is putting up some primitive jungle tribe statues up outside ththe Vatican after kissing blacks’ feet…

    To be fair to Mexicans, I would be an alcoholic too if I had to sit through mass every week…

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  29. @LoutishAngloQuebecker

    If he had said minorities support each other in the name of ethnic, racial or sexually degenerate solidarity, then he’d be more correct. But that’s not what he said. He said they support each other in the name of equality, which suggests they simply want truth, justice, and the American way for everyone, and further, are morally superior to the majority based on the former.

    That is of course, bullshit. Minorities in general want one thing: More political power for their group, so they can provide for themselves more rights and privileges at the expense of everyone else.

    Currently, different groups of minorities are aligned in their struggle to seize political power from whites as you say, but once that job is through, they will turn upon each other.

    • Agree: iffen
  30. @LoutishAngloQuebecker

    My first paragraph was in jest, LAQ.

    Yes, the Commie so-called Pope they’ve got turns the old joke “Is the Pope Catholic?” into a damn good question now. Peak Stupidity discusses more of the Papal Bull.

    I’m no Catholic, so I may not be up on all the rules, but I suggest they impeach this guy prontomundo.

  31. @Screwtape

    “My neighborhood is full of anti-gentrification (white) mexican invaders who by nature of sneaking in 30 or 40 years ago now ‘own’ this part of town.”

    I’ve seen at least two instances of anti-white graffiti just traveling through the Pilsen neighborhood (once Czech I presume) done by the Mexican invaders in Chicago. Public radio years ago stated there were 600,000 Mexicans in the Chicago area, so the city has indeed been colonized by the Southern invaders.This is fully supported by the Blacks because Chicago is a “sanctuary city” which our lesbian fem Mayor Lightfoot pays homage to.

    • Replies: @Screwtape
  32. c matt says:

    Tell me, why are naggers so supportive of the homosexual crusader politicians, is it because they don’t care, or is it because they think it really is not consequential, or perhaps they support this for real. What is the truth here.

    They don’t really support them, when given a choice of sorts. The Dems provide the gimme dats, so they will vote for them anyway, but among the Dems, Buttplug polls the lowest among blacks. My interpretation of that factoid is they just don’t care about the issue. They are supportive of gimme-dats politicians, regardless of other positions held by that politician. Just so happens to get any kind of political career on the Dem side of things, you have to support the butt plugging, so all your gimme-dats choices support it. Like getting stuck with CNN as part of your basic cable channel package.

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
  33. Screwtape says:
    @Joe Stalin

    Progressivism is just ‘gibs’ for affluent whites.

    Goodwhites sell out just as the black Americans sold out – and continue to do so as a voting block, to get gibs and the facades of status that have no bearing in reality nor ability to support actual cultural or spiritual infrastructure that can sustain their people and the civilization they built.

    Our gay zionist millionaire huckster climate change cultist governor and corrupt, inept, black mayor starting his second term, were elected by a substantial majority white populous.

    And yea, this ‘traditionally latinx’ neighborhood is a tradition that goes back maybe four or five decades.

    Meanwhile the Scottish settlers that tamed the land and built the rail and civic infrastructure out of a prairie are memoryholed.

    The whites here are A Okay with that because good tacos. Cowards.

  34. ” . . . race and culture are associated and race is a cultural marker.”

    I am unclear what that culture would be.

  35. @dfordoom

    So we’ve lost control of the culture which is a great disaster on its own… so we should be fine with simultaneously losing control of the demographics?

    I guess on the theory that if your house is on fire, you might as well fill it with poisonous snakes too… like MAYBE you could wrangle snakes under normal conditions; so why not try it while suffering smoke inhalation and dodging flaming beams?

    Certainly this is an experiment worth running with our entire patrimony and all our children’s lives.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  36. Note: I don’t know what others are thinking when they vote. But i know i am not voting for a pastor.

  37. Ben Shapiro and the treasonous whores in Conservatism Inc. are a clear and present threat to the safety, security and sovereignty of the European Christian ancestral core of the United States of America.

    Ben Shapiro is used by the JEW/WASP ruling class of the American Empire as a nation-wrecking, distractionary agent of subversion and deceit.

    The ruling class of the rancid donor-controlled Republican Party uses evil propaganda whores such as Ben Shapiro to push globalization and financialization and multiculturalism and transnationalism.

    I wrote this in May of 2019 about Ben Shapiro:

    Ben Shapiro’s attacks on the European Christian ancestral core of the United States are much more damaging to the interests of White Core Americans than the outgassings of random corporate propaganda whore Blacks such as Charles Blow at the New York Times.

    Ben Shapiro pushes nation-wrecking mass legal immigration and anti-White multicultural mayhem.

    Ben Shapiro is openly attacking the European Christian ancestral core of the United States.

    Ben Shapiro wants to continue to use mass legal immigration as a demographic weapon to attack and destroy the European Christian ancestral core of the United States.

    Ben Shapiro wants to continue to use the US military as muscle to fight wars on behalf of Israel.

  38. @Ris_Eruwaedhiel

    Maybe Josh Hammer should make aliyah?

    Josh Hammer and Jews like him that push anti-White mass legal immigration and put the interests of Israel ahead of the interests of the USA should be strongly encouraged to leave the USA for Israel. I don’t want those types of Jews to ever be allowed into European Christian nations ever again.

    I also want to strongly encourage WASP scum like those in the Bush Organized Crime Syndicate to be strongly encouraged to leave the USA and go permanently to sub-Saharan Africa.

    The JEW/WASP ruling class of the American Empire must be dislodged from power.

  39. @Achmed E. Newman

    Black people, as voters, are another case entirely, bought off long ago by Lyndon Butthead Johnson, apparently for an infinite time scale.

    More than fair nuff. Blacks hang with Democrats, but Obama vacuumed up the Black vote like no other, all apathy and sit-at-home ended by Blacks for him. Maybe I ought to have said Asians, for now, vote DEMOCRAT quite well as a bloc regardless of candidate. But what we saw in 2016, Blacks didn’t show up as a bloc for for old White-trash Hillary the way they did for Obama twice. They knew she was no good for them. I keep waiting and waiting to notice the funny coincidence of their lost jobs in construction, housekeeping and now even EEOC jobs in government to their Hispanic brothers and sisters from down south.

    Also, welfare isn’t exactly zero-sum, either. Fact of the matter is, every dollar siphoned off to illegals is a dollar taken away from a Black family. If a prominent Black were to notice, would they immediately be hammered down as racist? Blacks are really becoming disenfranchised by Hispanic illegals in terms of spaces in the cities, hell, they don’t have a place to hang their hats in big sections of every U.S. city owing to the sheer numbers of Hispanic welfare cases, most of them illegal and breeding like rats. Blacks owned the cities, in DC, they had jobs in construction, they were the housekeepers of all the rich, they owned the joint. I shit you not, in five years time, they were wiped out in DC and the crack wars were ON. When, when, when will Blacks notice all that’s been stolen from them from illegals?

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Really this blind
  40. https://vdare.com/posts/remembering-lee-kuan-yew-and-his-warning-for-america

    Lee Kuan Yew once said: “In multiracial societies, you don’t vote in accordance with your economic interests and social interests, you vote in accordance with race and religion.

  41. @c matt

    ” The Dems provide the gimme dats, so they will vote for them anyway, but among the Dems, Buttplug polls the lowest among blacks. My interpretation of that factoid is they just don’t care about the issue.”

    Blacks as a group are the most anti-homosexual. So it’s not they don’t care, it’s that free stuff and group preference outweigh the former.

  42. @Ris_Eruwaedhiel

    Josh Hammer should be told to read Larry Auster to familiarize himself with a Jew who understood the nation-wrecking destructiveness of mass legal immigration and mass illegal immigration and multiculturalism.

    Larry Auster on the JEW QUESTION:

    The Jews also (as few people recognize, because the subject is forbidden) changed America in some profound and not always positive ways.

    In terms of national identity, Jews were instrumental in the reformulation of America as a universalist society based strictly on ideology rather than on peoplehood, a change that set the stage for mass Third-World immigration and the much more profound redefinition of America as a multicultural society.

    In terms of morality, many Jewish intellectuals, writers, and entertainers deliberately undermined the older Anglo-American Victorian ethos, a program of moral/cultural subversion that climaxed in the Sixties counterculture and the dominant nihilist culture of the 1980s and 1990s.

    In terms of politics, Jews were instrumental in replacing the old American order of Constitutional self-restraint with the statist politics of unrestrained compassion.

    Tweet from 2015:

  43. AceDeuce says:

    Black and latino Christianity is a stew of superstition and voodoo and bits and pieces of the Bible, filtered through an 80 IQ.

    Black conservatives???LOL They are black before anything else. In fact, instead of anything else.

  44. Wow. The bar chart for black conservatives is amazing.

    Basically, they will always vote Democrat out of racial solidarity regardless of whether the party represents their own personal views. That should put the last nail in the coffin of the argument that Republicans should invest any resources in courting the black vote. (Although, pretending to make an effort may score some virtue signal points with white voters for whom this kind of thing matters.)

    Another thing to remember, though: having “conservatives” of any type within the Democratic party is not nothing. Indeed, black primary voters now make up the “conservative” wing of the party who are supporting Biden over white leftists like Warren and Buttigieg.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    , @Feryl
    , @Truth
  45. Microsoft has discovered they are paying women and minorities more than they are paying white males.

    Soon, they will discover they are also getting far less value for money from those women and minorities!

    https://blogs.microsoft.com/blog/2019/11/12/the-microsoft-diversity-and-inclusion-report-reveals-momentum-and-learnings-for-the-future/

  46. Arclight says:

    I would be curious to see the household income of these groups. I think at the end of the day, if you view the government and the social safety net as essential to your life or that of close relatives, you vote for the party that promises to keep the spigots open, regardless of your comfort with social issues.

    • Replies: @Feryl
    , @Herbert West
  47. Hibernian says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    Changing Black voting demographics from 95-5 Dem to 87-13 Dem would do wonders for the Repubs and, yes, win the good will of some Whites.

    • Replies: @Ian Smith
  48. @Bardon Kaldian

    Agreed, and thank you, Bardon, for finding that VDare post. I’d read it, but when I needed it for a blog post a while back, I couldn’t “search it up”, as the kids say. The search engines make it hard when it’s something they don’t want you reading, and VDare’s search feature didn’t cut it.

  49. “Basically, they will always vote Democrat out of racial solidarity regardless of whether the party represents their own personal views”

    https://chryllaird.files.wordpress.com/2018/03/we-are-one.pdf

    “Changing Black voting demographics from 95-5 Dem to 87-13 Dem would do wonders for the Repubs and . . .”

    Republicans have simply always gone the shorter route and for that how one “unalienates” a population they targeted to win votes would require more than what ,most are willing to invest long term.

    And I don’t dismiss that blacks could have ignored the rhetorical offenses and stayed to their core. It is not as if democrats have not abused their loyalty.

  50. Lot says:
    @Jim Christian

    I saw a Labour share by ethnicity for the UK report. Bangladeshis were 96% Labour voters. Pakistanis #2. Probably similar here for Dems.

    Vietnamese and Koreans in Southern California used to vote GOP, but not anymore.

  51. gman says:

    Ben Shapiro is just super annoying

  52. Feryl says: • Website
    @Arclight

    Sure, at the end of the day 80% of people* are chiefly concerned with being able to pay their utilities. People aren’t stupid, no matter how hard the Reaganites complain that so many things suck because less than 50% of the population agrees with them. Guns don’t matter, abortion doesn’t matter, etc. It’s always been economic issues first**, and foreign policy 2nd.

    *It’s always the top 20% of people who’ve placed a lot of concern toward “cultural” issues.

    **The “patronage” theory of politics is that each party (or ideology) primarily represents certain sectors (be they occupational, racial, religious, or whatever) and the people therein. At the very least, the elite representatives of each sector count on a certain party’s establishment to butter their bread. Thus, the Dems since 1967 have bent over backwards to congratulate and nurture a “new” (and larger than ever before) black elite class. On the other hand, the GOP can’t rid itself of crypto-white ID politics due to it’s service of heavily white sectors (such as rural Americans and the military), no matter how hard the GOP cucks on racial and de-facto racial issues (such as military commanders lying about the Fort Hood shooting, or John Aschroft going for out-reach by complaining about airline racial profiling in the early 2000’s). Blacks just don’t fit neatly into any of the sectors serviced by the Republicans, thus the heavy racial bloc voting. Prior to the late 60’s neither party was all that interested in representing blacks. On the other hand, the Dems sector profile increasingly includes whites alienated by the GOP’s undead Reaganism (e.g., West Coast whites have been drifting further and further away from the GOP since circa 1990). White Millennials and White Gen Z also can’t stand the Reaganism of the parents.

    We need to reduce our military footprint, bring the factories back, restore infrastructure spending, and also crack down on runaway stock market booms and obscene asset inflation that have been good for older generations but equally awful for young people. No amount of voting for the GOP since circa 1980 has made any difference at restoring the relative economic stability and well-distributed (and sustainable) prosperity of circa 1930-1980. People born since the mid-1970’s don’t need to be “taught” that many of their parents were conned, and continue to be delusional and spoiled charlatans when it comes to the “wonders” of neo-liberalism which Reagan, Bush 1, Clinton, Bush 2, and Obama all fully supported. Younger generations are not going to start being Republican die-hards because Republicans “responsibly run government”, or “make it smaller”, or “fight for our freedoms at home and abroad”. Nor do they believe that there’s anything intrinsically “good” about the private sector (let’s face it, back in the 1930’s-1970’s society and the economy worked much better when the public interest came before corporate profits; many of our greatest tech triumphs were made possible with heavy government investment and oversight anyway.) What’s so magical about Disney trying to buy up every valuable creative property so as to reduce any incentive to ever make anything original?

    BTW, shame on older generations for off-shoring all of our factories because “muh stupid unions” or “complaining workers”. What were you thinking, any way? Oh, yeah, it was always about coming up with excuses to better stuff your pockets and shred the long-term stability of society no matter how much it damaged future generations.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    , @Mark G.
    , @Hibernian
  53. Feryl says: • Website
    @Hypnotoad666

    Another thing to remember, though: having “conservatives” of any type within the Democratic party is not nothing. Indeed, black primary voters now make up the “conservative” wing of the party who are supporting Biden over white leftists like Warren and Buttigieg.

    Older voters in general, but especially older blacks, do not want aggressive white Leftists transforming the Dems into something that is less congenial to blacks. But since the neo-lib Dem establishment manages to lick the boots of both blacks and corporate elites, we will see inevitable push back against blacks if the party is ever to be altered.

    Blacks aren’t “conservative”, they are the indulged and complacent wing of the Democrats. Blacks have a domineering desire to continue to favor affirmative action, heavy government employment of blacks at the expense of others, censorship of “racist speech” (such as crime statistics and IQ facts), and over-representation in pop culture and sports (blacks are the most used “minority” in advertisements, even though Hispanics and Asians combined increasingly outnumber blacks, and nobody is allowed to complain that blacks heavily out-number the other races in pro football and basketball). The evidence is overwhelming that blacks are the single biggest impediment to many things that would improve the quality of life and attitude of other groups. Blacks also cheer on high immigration levels in order to “get back” at the “white” system. Blacks still think we live in a “white” country; it isn’t “their money” being wasted, or “their territory” being invaded. It isn’t “their jobs” being stolen.

  54. Feryl says: • Website
    @LoutishAngloQuebecker

    “Does it make sense? No. And there will probably be violence between said groups. Strangely, whites probably were capable of living in a race free, kumbaya environment. But the 3rd worlders are not able to. They are too stupid. The liberal mind is the enlightened and open mind. The problem is that it fails against dumber but less liberal tribes.”

    The English and Irish (two white groups) have been in a never-quite-over war since….Forever. Ethnic squabbling, let alone racial squabbling, is a permanent part of the human condition. Societies made up entirely of Teutonic whites, or Japanese Asians, probably have come the closest to creating a “utopia” on Earth, but as you point out, the former are now inviting in Sub-Cons, Chinese, Somalis, Mexicans, etc. who are rapidly causing the Anglo-Teutonic countries to lose their cultural character…..Perhaps forever, absent some kind of strong effort to reverse the demographic trends of the last 50 years.

    • Replies: @Anon
  55. Anon[160] • Disclaimer says:
    @Feryl

    Teutonic whites created the Malleus Maleficarum, the campaigns of Frederick II, most of the Thirty Years’ War, several Austro-Prussian wars, etc. etc. etc.

    It may have been nice to live among Teutonic whites for a part of the nineteenth and a different part of the twentieth century (and it may be nice now) but I wouldn’t extrapolate that to a statement about history in general.

  56. Michael S says:
    @RadicalCenter

    Know what’s been really effective at winning the culture war? Libertarian autistic screeching over muh government schools.

    Also, non-stop chicken-littling that it’s all over, the world’s ending, America is doomed, etc.

    Keep it up, you’re doing a valuable public service.

  57. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Pheasant

    Conformity is a strong racial instinct in Africans.

    Or it might be a strongly ingrained cultural behaviour.

    When there are several possible explanations it’s a mistake to automatically pick the one that fits your preconceived notions.

  58. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Anonymousse

    So we’ve lost control of the culture which is a great disaster on its own… so we should be fine with simultaneously losing control of the demographics?

    Did I say that? No, I didn’t. I have always been utterly opposed to mass immigration, legal or illegal.

    What you’re overlooking is that once you’ve lost control of the culture you are not going to be able to win on issues like immigration. Control of the culture is the key to winning on all other issues. If you control the culture you control the political process. Without control of the culture you have zero chance of winning the immigration fight.

  59. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Feryl

    We need to reduce our military footprint, bring the factories back, restore infrastructure spending, and also crack down on runaway stock market booms and obscene asset inflation that have been good for older generations but equally awful for young people.

    Putting people before profits? Putting the interests of society ahead of the interests of individuals? Not wanting endless imperial wars? That’s literally communism!

    BTW, shame on older generations for off-shoring all of our factories because “muh stupid unions” or “complaining workers”.

    I’m one of those older generation people and I was a trade-union activist in those days. Older generations did not off-shore those factories. Mega-corporations off-shored those factories, supported by politicians who were bought and paid for. Working class Silents and Boomers did not want factories off-shored. Elite Silents and Boomers wanted the factories off0-shored. Middle-class Silents and Boomers went along with it because the middle classes thought it was all great as long as only working-class people got shafted.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Feryl
  60. Truth says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    Basically, they will always vote Democrat out of racial solidarity regardless of whether the party represents their own personal views.

    Yes, and you’ll always vote for Republicans and cheer when they “cut taxes on the rich!” even though you have never had a pot to piss in.

    C’est la vie…

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
  61. anon[421] • Disclaimer says:

    I’m one of those older generation people and I was a trade-union activist in those days.

    Did you learn to code? Just asking.

  62. “Know what’s been really effective at winning the culture war? Libertarian autistic screeching over muh government schools.”

    And the number one reason why republicans are a defensive position long term, they simply have a much smaller stake in education. Te farm for turning out political ans social thinking — for the future is owned sadly by liberals.

    Rumor has it that the president is prepared to cave in on DACA once again.

    Distilling water for my iron.

  63. Talha says:
    @dfordoom

    Putting people before profits? Putting the interests of society ahead of the interests of individuals? Not wanting endless imperial wars?

    They are now being more honest about why they are doing what they are doing and I’m so glad since this is a breath of fresh air:

    Peace.

    • Replies: @LoutishAngloQuebecker
  64. And the 1980’s Californian conservative saw it all taking shape and moved to challenge it with a law that would have prevented the teaching, proselytizing or advocacy of this behavior in academic settings. And it was a Gov. Reagan who squashed it.

    Remains a very unfortunate choice. When Ca. stated that civic marriage ought to be soley recognized as men and women, the educated hobbled in courts to strike the measure down. The attempts to restrict or rather enforce US federal immigration laws have repeatedly been spearheaded by democrats in the courts.

    All of the hoopla about conservative inc. misses the some key turns here and that has been the courts and what is taught regarding what constitutes the US and the sovereignty in schools elementary through collegiate education. I am curious what these supposed challengers to conservative inc., however they see it are doing in classroom discussions. What risks in their education classes, pre-law, sociology, literature . . . how much foreign material are they challenging in the classroom. It’s one thing to attend a rally where there’s no grade at stake and chant down a discussion and the next time you make an invite insist that as part of the speakers expectation there will be a “Q&A” or invite at least one rebuttal speaker —- at the very least allow time once those speakers are done to offer counter views —-

    I would be interested to see your interaction with the instructors foreign and domestic who mouth unserious historical critiques that the US stole the Southwest from Mexico.

    And as this seems to have a heavy Catholic lean —- there is a good deal of silence taking on Catholic’s universalism position which seeks to undermine US immigration laws and the identity of the country. Let me know when you are ready to call out the pope and bishops who push for US santuary cities.

  65. nymom says:
    @Tiny Duck

    I don’t believe Trump will be removed from office by this impeachment…

    I can’t say, for certain, that he will be re-elected.

    The Democrats and other establishment figures continue to attack his voter base and it makes it difficult for people to continue supporting him. Even this latest cutting of interest rates attacks seniors’ private pension funds/savings and seniors are major supporters of Trump…

    Who knows where it will end.

  66. anon[226] • Disclaimer says:

    And the 1980’s Californian conservative saw it all taking shape and moved to challenge it with a law that would have prevented the teaching, proselytizing or advocacy of this behavior in academic settings. And it was a Gov. Reagan who squashed it.

    You are confused about basic facts.

    Ronald Reagan was the Governor of California for two terms, the first beginning in 1967 and the second in 1971. He left office in 1975, to run for the GOP nomination for President unsuccessfully.

    He was President from 1981 – 1988.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
  67. @Truth

    Yes, and you’ll always vote for Republicans and cheer when they “cut taxes on the rich!” even though you have never had a pot to piss in.

    You’ve entirely missed the point of the data in the post. Whites vote their values, blacks vote for Dems regardless of their personal values. So it’s not the same.

    Based on your odd assumption that I must be poor white trash, I would make the educated guess that you are a GroupThinking, New York Times subscribing, NPR listener. The smugness, lack of critical thinking, and inability to address actual data are the hallmarks of your type.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    , @Truth
  68. Mark G. says:
    @Feryl

    “No amount of voting for the GOP since circa 1980 has made any difference at restoring the relative economic stability and well-distributed (and sustainable) prosperity of circa 1930-1980.”

    The GOP since 1980 is not really the same party as earlier eras so voting for it will not achieve the same results. There was a struggle early in the Reagan administration between the older Eisenhower type Republicans who wanted balanced budgets, low federal spending and economic policies that benefitted the broad middle class versus a new breed of Republicans that wanted deficit spending, Federal Reserve policies that would boost the prices of stocks held by the wealthy and high military spending to benefit the military-industrial complex and enable the interventionist foreign policy advocated by the neocons. The second group won. I think that the dominance of National Review magazine as the leading conservative intellectual journal starting in the sixties had an overall pernicious effect on the conservative movement because they were the cheerleaders for these changes in the Republican party.

    The fifties is now seen as something of a golden era for the American middle class. This era had really started in the twenties when what would now be recognized as a large middle class emerged. For the first time the average family had indoor plumbing, electricity, a house, an automobile and other things we think of as signs of middle class life. During this twenties to fifties period, total government spending only averaged about 25% of GDP compared to 40% now. There was less income inequality with lower government spending then than there is with higher government spending now. So it’s not only how much the government spends but how it spends it along with what policies the government follows that is really important. The Republican and Democrat parties have been increasingly captured by special interests that use them as vehicles to advance their own goals rather than maintain a large middle class and analysis needs to be directed to how to change that.

    • Replies: @Feryl
  69. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Hypnotoad666

    Whites vote their values, blacks vote for Dems regardless of their personal values. So it’s not the same.

    Some whites vote their values. Lots of whites vote purely on the basis of self-interest. Some whites are motivated by emotion or by virtue-signalling when they cast their votes. Some whites just vote for the party they’ve always voted for. Some whites vote for the candidates that the TV tells them to vote for. Some vote for the candidate that their social media friends vote for.

    That’s why election results are tricky to predict.

    • Agree: Truth
    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt
  70. @Talha

    Still love Don, even despite all the bashing I do on Unz and other places for his failures.

    Something about him makes me smile.

    He’s like a guy from 1920s New York plopped into the 21st century. Shows you how far whites in general have fallen; this old school guy kicks everyones modern ass.

    • Replies: @Talha
  71. Mitleser says:
    @dfordoom

    Culture and race matter. Both matter.

    The correlations between the Hispanic percentage of each state and white voter preferences are approximately zero for all presidential elections, implying that the presence of large Hispanic populations appears to have virtually no impact upon white political alignment, either one way or the other.

    By contrast, the evidence for apparent black/white racial conflict being the driving force that prompts whites to vote Republican seems very strong: the correlations between the size of the black population and the degree of white GOP support range from 0.43 to 0.70, with a mean of 0.55, being both quite substantial and very consistent over time.

    https://www.unz.com/runz/immigration-republicans-and-the-end-of-white-america-singlepage/

  72. @dfordoom

    White government workers — between 10 and 15 million of them — out of a total of between 22 million and 30 million government workers — vote for their jobs and pay and benefits and pensions.

    I bet if you count all the workers as government workers who rely on the government for contracts and employment, you would see that way over 30 million people work for the government.

    The Democrat Party gets the teachers and the government school workers and the bureaucrats and the sick care government workers and the like.

    The Republican Party gets a good number of the military vote and the war production and war manufacturing vote and the cops and the road guys and the like.

    This is why a plan to bribe voters is cynical but necessary for the new political party called White Core America.

    White Core America will bribe the White broad voters and they’ll stay bribed.

    Values never mattered for crud in colonial America or the USA since Virginia Company times and up until ten minutes ago.

    This sonofabitch country has been cash on the barrelhead and grab like a bastard and ain’t nothing changed. Some of us have blood ancestors who were indentured servants and some of us have blood ancestors who were contracting with others to indenture them while the original was still under indenture. Might have got the terminology wrong, but that’s colonial America and the USA.

    Values are for politician bullshit artists to scream about while they’re looting the Hell out of everything in sight.

    Shelly Adelson and Trump and Ham Sandwich Saban and Hillary Clinton don’t give a shit about no so-called “values.”

    That’s why the Pewitt Plan is to give ten thousand dollars a month to every American citizen who has all blood ancestors in the USA or colonial America before 1924. Bribe those voter bastards!

    I guarantee you the voter bastards will start thinking about what they’ll do with the ten grand and then you tell them which politician sonofabitch will prevent them from getting their ten grand a month and watch the action.

    Currency collapse has been baked into the monetary extremism cake anyway, open up the spigots and let the rain fall down.

    Trillion damn dollars a year deficit and 23 trillion in debt and hundreds of trillions of dollars of unfunded government liabilities says this current global monetary system is completely and totally dodo.

    • Replies: @Feryl
    , @Audacious Epigone
  73. @Tiny Duck

    What progress?

    NBA and Sombrero Americans vote for freebies paid for by gringo taxpayers.

    The same thing happens in Western Europe with Arabs, Turks, Africans etc.

  74. Talha says:
    @LoutishAngloQuebecker

    I would much rather have somebody like this in charge than an Obama who talks nice but stabs you in the back and steals your oil. Just come out and say it! Really refreshing to have it stated so clearly.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Truth
  75. “Impeachment starts today.

    This is it. Trump is done.

    And with his demise white supremacy will be dealt a blow.

    People of Color vote progressive because it is the right thing to do.

    Most people AGREE that white supremacy is evil”

    I am still waiting for the evidence of a crime. I am not sure you comprehend white supremacy, those espouse will continue as they have before the president was elected and will continue to advance it afterwards.

    People of color are unwise to support this action, it reflects the worst of what sfrican americans have complained about regarding the justice system, In essence, it is a prosecution of based on not liking the president. This summer I gave a breif lecture in the class of a woman I vety much support. When i stated that the election of president trump was not going to send blacks back into slavery, she adamantly objected and made it clear she would not allow a comment such as mine to pass with response. She was serious, and she was intense. This from an intelligent, well read successful african american instructor active in the community. I have known her for twenty years or more and despite real time events, she actually thought the president wanted b;lacks back on the plantation —

    Granted he may not black men, most white men don’t, it’s competition, this president is no different I suspect, but that he wants to put blacks on plantations or could if he wanted is a hurdle beyond this reality. I am willing to grant that whites still have a monopoly on making life tough for blacks in particular. But I find your depth here about what white supremacy is an d how it works a might shrift.

    President Bill Clinton was no less eager to jail blacks for votes as any supposed other than democratic liberal or white. The democratic party is first in line to exploit rape states regarding african american men. As I recall for all of the social awareness of the socialist agenda, Sen Sanders was oblivious as to what BLM was about as much as any republican. BLM that doesn’t havce the wherewithall to grasp that by internationalizing their issue they have bled it dry of any real focus or effectiveness to address real issues. A typical ploy by white liberals. One would think that blacks in association with liberals would get just how dubious their stated concerns for black socialization save to use it for their benefit. Sec. Clinton and company were the first to suggest in a campaign that the future executive and then nominee was not even a citizen. She is as cozy with the WS executives who tossed millions of citizens from their and no small number of them black. Fannie nd Freddie were huge contributors to democratic campaigns. The same institutions who mismanaged home loans and engaged in predatory lending schemes , no small number of them black.

    It is mistake to engage in the game as being played. The idea that using the tactics that whites used in marginalization has some manner of long term payoff for blacks is undercut by one simple truth —

    Liberals are importing in large numbers everyone save blacks, just as they did in the 1800’s, 1900’s and still in 2000’s. And you think VP Biden is your friend, maybe until he gets your vote. Then he’ll be engaged in the same politics of patronage and elitist backdoor dealing with everyone except blacks. Curious why no blacks were involved in the Ukrainian contracts and lucrative boardroom assignments. Then it’s all open borders which means Mexicans and light skinned latinos from the South will be the choice as it was in Panama where whites systematically removed the black leadership when it came yo build the canal.

    If you think Pres Trump is your personal, professional and political nemisis, just remember who Pres. Kennedy and Johnson favored and they weren’t even citizens. Thousands of former skilled farmers, and plantation workers migrated to CA. Have a look see at who Caesar Chavez did not include in his advocacy.

    At the moment Pres Trump’s policy of building a wall and restricting immigration makes him an ally to black opportunity.

  76. just one little tiny tiny hurdle here:

    “The Republican Party gets a good number of the military vote and the war production and war manufacturing vote and the cops and the road guys and the like.”

    Every reference you make

    military

    the MIC: war production and manufacturing products and services

    law enforcement

    and even the road guys

    — are paid for by tax dollars or by government deficit spending.

    ———————

    “That’s why the Pewitt Plan is to give ten thousand dollars a month to every American citizen who has all blood ancestors in the USA or colonial America before 1924. Bribe those voter bastards!”

    Hmmmm, you sound like bribing whites to vote a certain way via financial incentives is something new and unique.

    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt
  77. @EliteCommInc.

    Hmmmm, you sound like bribing whites to vote a certain way via financial incentives is something new and unique.

    I want to accelerate the bribery to overload and implode the system.

    Also, I could explain to the voters central banking and debt-based fiat currencies and how they were used to bribe Whites born before 1965 into shutting their mouths about the obvious nation-wrecking effects of mass legal immigration and mass illegal immigration.

    Conjure up the currency and bribe the voters on a scale never before seen.

  78. Truth says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    You’ve entirely missed the point of the data in the post. Whites vote their values, blacks vote for Dems regardless of their personal values. So it’s not the same.

    Oh, is that so?

    And which of your values do you vote? You are a Repbulican, did you serve in the military? Do you eschew ALL public aid (college loans, grants, unemployment) did you pull yourself up by your bootstraps into millions? Are you anti-abortion in ALL cases? Do you except Jesus as your lord and savior?

    Oh, no?

    So your are just another ReBLOODlican who votes for one set of clowns over another because there are more white people on the stage… (like the dusky folks you so discribed above).

    I would make the educated guess that you are a GroupThinking, New York Times subscribing, NPR listener. The smugness, lack of critical thinking, and inability to address actual data are the hallmarks of your type.

    Wrong…wrong…and wrong. If I were a group thinker, I wouldn’t be here as I am a 50+ year old African American. The Times has been shyte since the turn of the century, and NPR is as much Tavistock brainwashing as CNN or FOX.

    Oh, and by the way, I have NEVER voted for a Democrat in a major election. I was stupid enough to cast ballots for Ron Paul and Ross Perot in my youthful ignorance.

  79. Truth says:
    @Talha

    Agreed, Camacho actually does an excellent job of obsucring the fact that he is a sodomite who has been married to three trannies.*

    *There is another possiblity, but trust me, it’s far worse…

    • Replies: @Talha
  80. “Conjure up the currency and bribe the voters on a scale never before seen.”

    laughing.

    I see, if we are going to bust the system might as well go all in. If that is infact your choice, why stop with whites. Simply send every US citizen and citizens only an annual salary of 60k, free healthcare, free education, buy up all the busted mortgages and give every citizen a three bedroom home.

    I would prefer we get our management priorities in line starting with making our sovereign boundaries clear — build the wall and reinforce the same with miles of hedegrows.

  81. Talha says:
    @Truth

    Nooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Truth
  82. @Bardon Kaldian

    Why would you believe what a Chinamen has to say about such an important issue ?

    “Here in Singapore, you didn’t come across the white man so much. He was in a superior position. But there you are (in Britain) in a superior position meeting white men and white women in an inferior position, socially, I mean. They have to serve you and so on in the shops. And I saw no reason why they should be governing me; they’re not superior. I decided when I got back, I was going to put an end to this.”

    “The Bell curve is a fact of life. The blacks on average score 85 per cent on IQ and it is accurate, nothing to do with culture. The whites score on average 100. Asians score more … the Bell curve authors put it at least 10 points higher. These are realities that, if you do not accept, will lead to frustration because you will be spending money on wrong assumptions and the results cannot follow.The Bell curve is a fact of life. The blacks on average score 85 per cent on IQ and it is accurate, nothing to do with culture. The whites score on average 100. Asians score more … the Bell curve authors put it at least 10 points higher. These are realities that, if you do not accept, will lead to frustration because you will be spending money on wrong assumptions and the results cannot follow.”

    Lee Kuan Yew LOL 😂

  83. indocon says:

    America’s borders will never be secure as long as Israel’s border are fully secure.

  84. Truth says:
    @Talha

    Yep.

    Remember all of the Trump “little hands” jokes?

    Its always revealed in jokes and riddles.

  85. Feryl says: • Website
    @Mark G.

    The GOP since 1980 is not really the same party as earlier eras so voting for it will not achieve the same results. There was a struggle early in the Reagan administration between the older Eisenhower type Republicans who wanted balanced budgets, low federal spending and economic policies that benefitted the broad middle class versus a new breed of Republicans that wanted deficit spending, Federal Reserve policies that would boost the prices of stocks held by the wealthy and high military spending to benefit the military-industrial complex and enable the interventionist foreign policy advocated by the neocons. The second group won. I think that the dominance of National Review magazine as the leading conservative intellectual journal starting in the sixties had an overall pernicious effect on the conservative movement because they were the cheerleaders for these changes in the Republican party.

    Yup, that’s a good overview of just how radical the Reaganite neo-liberals were, and still are. The trick pulled by the Reaganites, culturally speaking, was to preach hatred toward the ever increasing political and cultural liberalism of the 1920’s-1970’s. But that movement’s greatest excesses were going to end in the 1980’s due to sheer public exhaustion regardless of what any political movement was doing to stop it. For example, the riots, cults, and mass drug use of the 60’s and 70’s were going to peter out even if we’d done nothing about it. Why? Cultural trends come and go no matter what elites have to say about it (or what they are doing about it). So the Reaganites got social and political equity by taking credit for something that would’ve happened no matter what, and they used that equity to ram through disastrously “experimental” economic ideology and policy changes. The Me Generation to a large extent is still “coasting” on the notion that they rejected the naive liberalism of the GI and Silent generation in the 80’s and 90’s, while they also bask in the asset bubbles that got inflated after 1980. In reality, the economic program of the last 40 years has inflicted far greater damage on the populace than the worst excesses of 1960’s and 70’s liberalism.

    The rise of neo-conservatism in the 60’s and 70’s is every bit as notable as the New Left movements of that time. By the late 80’s, both the New Left and New/Neo-con right had administered extreme changes to society that the establishment was no longer willing to resist by that point.

  86. But what concerns me is that we have a president who was given a clear mandate to accomplish some seriuos tasks on behalf of the US. And he simply has chosen not to do.

    Here;s a man in the WH who was supported enough to pull off an monumental unexpected win — and he simply dos not seem to grasp the role he was cast to play. I am not supportive of “blowing things up”.

    Here’s why, the people ate the top will exactly the environment they want and they will have an easier task to remake the whole system because everyone will be scrambling to keep themselves in some sane survival mode. But the elites would be all to happy to have another financial emerncy — “too beg to fail scenario despite the fact that the “too bigs” had already failed. Toy want to crash the system considered it crashed — compare gdp to the national debt it’s already blown up. 11% of that debt is owned by the Chinese and given their shift to a capital market society — a serious competitor. I was listening to a program “Zero Tolerance” in which two conservative speakers mage their respective cases. One was Mr. Bannon, I think his take on immigration was a tad squiggie — meaning, I am not sure he really gets it. His whole compassionate take did not come off well. But he noted something I was aware of that at the top many have embraced a kind of “libertarian” positioning, so that immigration , nationhood, citizenship, etc doesn’t mean a thing to them. I had no idea that most of them felt that way — Hollywood wall street corpratists I guess. But that level of chaos just puts them in more of a driver’s eat in my view. People with liquid, and that in some safe haven offshore —a crisis won’t touch them much. We are not talking about the Carnegie’s, Standard Oil, and financial icons of the past who are going step and support the US financially. Whatever their abuses, they still saw themselves as citizens on the US and committed to her existence. I don’t care how much money the Koke brothers make (as long as it ethical and legal), but I am deeply concerned if their desire is carve up the US for their own Belgian Colonies.

  87. “The Bell curve is a fact of life. The blacks on average score 85 per cent on IQ and it is accurate, nothing to do with culture. The whites score on average 100. Asians score more … the Bell curve authors put it at least 10 points higher.”

    Laughing.

    Nothing like a yellow person espousing his superiority over whites and everyone else, while using metrics developed by whites whose originator openly made clear that educational and cultural exposure were part of that process.

    I is useful, but it is not land locked in white, yellow, brown or black skin. Laughing in fact, the originator of IQ made it very clear the reason you get a standard is the result of cultural influence — emphasis on reading and writing skills for instance.

    Note: The mess we are currently in lead by people with very high IQ’s no doubt as developers and led or leaders suggests that high IQ hold no unique place in in solving issues created by the same. Your telling me that the Chinese are the most intelligent people on the planet, but took them killing nearly 50 million people to figure out that capital markets are more effective for wealth creation.

    i am not buying the press.

  88. Destroying the Republican party might seem like a good idea, but, the problem is, what will replace it? And who will be in control of it? IF a new party could be built that is able to avoid being controlled by the same criminals as now control the GOP, THEN it would be wonderful.
    Seems cheaper and safer to use our energy to take over the existing infrastructure rather than arrogantly suppose that a whole new apparatus can be built. IF we can’t take over the GOP that exists, THEN WHY suppose that we could hold on to control of a new party? I’ve voted 3rd party most of my life rather than Republican already for over 40 years now; doesn’t seem to make much difference.
    Experience tells me that if the Libertarians and the Constitution Parties set their minds to take over
    the GOP that that would avail much better results.

    Just sayin’.

  89. A W says:

    I just want to chime into this comment section with a counter-point to this article’s premise:

    FL Governor Ron DeSantis ran on a Trump Platform and faithfully executed it much more effectively than Trump himself within the state.

    The result: 74% hispanic approval ratings of his policies including Mandatory E-Verify and a crack-down on Sanctuary Cities. (but muh cubans! – No, Cubans are only about 29% of the FL hispanic breakdown)

    I remind you prop 8 passed by a wide margin in California on the minority vote.

    The reality is this:

    Minorities f–ing hate WEAKNESS.

    The future of the conservative movement is “Bolsonaro Americano”, led by a rebellion against the GOP for being spineless and ineffective against the “drag queen story hour” nut-jobs.

    Case and point:
    In the early 2000’s a series of court cases was won against “intelligent design”, a pseudo-scientific discipline erected to push creationism in schools:

    Where is the lawfare effort by any faction of the current movement GOP leveraging these precedents to go after states like California peddling anti-scicence trans-lobby talking points as fact?

    They’re too worried about being called “bigot” to stand up and say NO to these nut-jobs and are surprised disproportionately “no-nonsense working-class” minorities don’t want to vote for sniveling cowards?

  90. Ian Smith says:
    @Hibernian

    Republicans have been trying to pry blacks away from the democrats for almost half a century. Even when they agree with Republicans on key issues, they still vote Democrat. No amount of pandering has worked. Fawning over Candace Owens and Ben Carson hasn’t worked. DR3 hasn’t worked.
    And even the small numbers of black swans, er, Republicans are not the allies of white America.

    https://www.amren.com/news/2017/02/black-conservatives-clarence-thomas-jesse-lee-peterson-walter-williams/

    • Replies: @Hibernian
  91. “Republicans have been trying to pry blacks away from the democrats for almost half a century.”

    Bullocks, if anything they have repeatedly used the “color card” (identity politics) to incite white votes. And I suggest if pandering is the method, then it is entirely possible that blacks see it for what it is.

    Sen Barry Goldwater’s campaign is a perfect reflection of the tactics my party engaged in regarding voting. States rights are all well and good, unless they violate the rights of the states’ citizens to Constitutional guarantees. Not one month age Miss Coulter was advocating playing the color card — as the ticket. Even she gets it, that immigration is so damaging that she acknowledges — a moratorium is needed press.

    Pres Reagan capitalized one the excess of one criminal “Willy Horton” as reference to all blacks and criminal behavior. The abuse of the statistical assessments are not secrets. Hood grief even Miss Kamala Harris understood how to leverage black males to win elections. Every nasty destructive movement that liberals embrace has been associated with civil rights and blacks despite the fact that those destructive practices had nothing to do with the issues regarding the law and black access as citizens.

    I am not ignoring black agency and responsibility for their choices in whom they support.

    However, your advancing complete nonsense.

  92. And l’est there be any nonsense about my being a liberal, I would be happy to compare my position issues anytime

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  93. @EliteCommInc.

    Jesus guy go get a hobby.

    One guy we haven’t see much of lately is Authentic Jazzman. Or Quartermaster. Maybe they passed away. After all there are many old timers on unz.

  94. Feryl says: • Website
    @Charles Pewitt

    Values are for politician bullshit artists to scream about while they’re looting the Hell out of everything in sight.

    “Values” is something that politicians started to mewl about in the late 1970’s, ya know, when elites were well into the “Right shift” (e.g. globalist off-shoring and open borders). Being that it was becoming obvious that elites were about to materially stab future generations in the back, they had to reassure the adult generations extant in the late 70’s that they would do what was morally right. Thing is, morals can’t be measured. So the great thing about moralistic non-sense (like “values”) is that you can bloviate endlessly without having to provide objective evidence that you’ve done good and care about people. Whereas in the 1920’s-early 1970’s, politicians rhetorically focused on measures of material well-being instead of moral posturing.

  95. Feryl says: • Website
    @dfordoom

    Working class Silents and Boomers did not want factories off-shored. Elite Silents and Boomers wanted the factories off0-shored. Middle-class Silents and Boomers went along with it because the middle classes thought it was all great as long as only working-class people got shafted.

    By historical standards, Silents and early Boomers were mostly “middle class” as defined by ample time and money for material goods and leisure. As per Peter Turchin and the “thirty glorious years” after WW2 (1945-1975) that have become the benchmark standard for Western political and economic well-being. Late Boomers entered the workforce in the late 70’s and early 80’s when that window was shutting, and Gen X-ers and later generations entered the workforce when that window was slummed shut in the later 80’s and 90’s. Among people born since the mid-1970’s, there essentially is no middle class. Since the mid-late 70’s is when the “right shift” (toward elitism and cronyism) happened, it’s fitting that it also coincides with the birth of the most impoverished generation since the Losts, who had a life-long cynicism and aloofness borne of their childhood and adolescence in the late Gilded Age. Later Gen X-ers and Millennials bear traits of coming of age in the early stage of the Gilded Age 2.0.

    Silents and early Boomers have never been financially uncomfortable enough to fully resist neo-liberalism and globalism. In fact, they benefited from these trends. The 1946 cohort is quite possibly the most spoiled cohort in human history*, since they obviously were born instantly into the thirty glorious years, and completed their entire young adulthood before the regressive and depressing political/economic trends of post-1975. Late Boomers are more forlorn, and post-Boomers absolutely despise the political and economic trends of the last 40-45 years often on the grounds that their future was robbed from them by selfish leaders from older generations. But the gate-keepers born in the 1930’s and 1940’s resolutely refuse to acknowledge their misdeeds and reform a corrupt system. But why would they when they’ve done so well for decades on end? Never was so much given to so many people, and never has such good fortune been so taken for granted. If they didn’t take it for granted, then they wouldn’t condemn younger people for “being lazy”, not “working hard enough”, etc.

    *We’ve now had three US presidents born in 1946. The 1946 cohort is the best cohort ever measured, academically speaking. The 1946 cohort is also quite tall, adjusting for racial demographics.

    • Replies: @anon
  96. anon[801] • Disclaimer says:
    @Feryl

    the 1946 cohort

    Disneyland was built for them. A lot of them still expect a new Disneyland, too.

  97. Laughing

    “Jesus guy go get a hobby.”

    This is one of my hobbies.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  98. What’s the break down by ethnicity for the above charts when you apply sex and age groups to the recorded figures?

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  99. @Charles Pewitt

    Based on the October figure, we’re on track for $1.5 trillion this year.

    • Replies: @Jim Christian
  100. @James Solbakken

    Taking over existing institutions is a easier than building new ones. This is trebly the case in the American political system. It’s happening in both parties right now. There’s a lot of ruin in 150 year old political parties, but the process is underway.

  101. @Jim Christian

    Like are you freaking kidding? Before Hispanics showed up, black people were getting LYNCHED and hung from trees by white so-called Christians in white pointy hoods.

    Nobody in America has ever been nor will ever be as bad for black people as white conservatives. Ideally, you can all be assimilated to liberals. Failing that, those of you who remain conservative can go ahead and die and sooner rather than later would be preferred.

    Retail worker instead of maid is just fine at least angry white mobs aren’t showing up changing in front of your house in the middle of the night (hi, 1950s Pennsylvania, we see you!)

    Sooo clueless.

  102. @Really this blind

    Swallowed The Narrative hard, didn’t you? You are their tool. Who lynched whom? Oh! LOOK who I’m typing to. Speaking of clueless.

    • Replies: @Really this blind
  103. BY THE WAY, there’s a 2014 video from… ben shapiro. that is saying the inverse of everything he is saying today

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  104. dfordoom says: • Website
    @James Solbakken

    Seems cheaper and safer to use our energy to take over the existing infrastructure rather than arrogantly suppose that a whole new apparatus can be built. IF we can’t take over the GOP that exists, THEN WHY suppose that we could hold on to control of a new party?

    First you need to ask yourself, who is this We? I don’t think there is any We. There are a few scattered groups who are very dissatisfied but they’re small, hopelessly disorganised and totally chaotic. They have no mass following and no support from any element within the elite.

    For a successful takeover you would need a faction with organisation, discipline, a clear plan for achieving the takeover, a coherent program and leadership. What you actually have are small totally marginal groups like the alt-right (who have demonstrated zero capacity for effective political action), some rabid racial-haters who are not quite sane, and the libertarians (who are by definition entirely useless).

    The first thing you need to do is to organise an effective well-disciplined We.

  105. @Jim Christian

    Please. Black people are the only Americans not surprised by the spate of white terrorism the media has been beside themselves being concerned over for the past year. It’s not new to us, Dylan Roof wasn’t even the first white racist to blow up a black church, happened multiple times in the 60s, kids died then too not just little old ladies.

    Whoever is marginalizing, disenfranchising or even outright poisoning the white racist (with drugs) is a friend to black people. So that’s who we’ll vote for, it’s pretty straightforward.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
  106. @Audacious Epigone

    Based on the October figure, we’re on track for $1.5 trillion this year.

    Hey Eppi? Sorry, dunno your name. You’re a savvy cat, do you see any chance they end the Northern Virginia Defense Contractor gravy train? Without a severe haircut to the budgets of the Deep State, the Navy especially, we’re dead, right? At what point do the piggies in that business decide they’ve devoured enough? These are folks who haven’t won a war in 65 years. Look what they consume now.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  107. Hibernian says:
    @Feryl

    Sure. Fundamentalist churches primarily draw their members from thee top 20%.

  108. @Just Sumguy

    The sample sizes are too small to do that with non-whites. When the 2020 iteration of the survey comes out, it will include another round of questions about voting in 2016, ~doubling the total sample.

  109. @baked georgia

    Ha, ashamed I was unaware of that until now. Thanks!

  110. @Jim Christian

    No, I don’t see any chance of budget cuts at all until the issue is forced by a currency crisis. There is no constituency for it.

  111. @Audacious Epigone

    “Blown . . . — out!”

    Ah.

    I was of course largely just poking back. I am not here merely to troll or instigate arguments. I do have real beliefs and despite whatever disagreements

    I do appreciate the space to air my views and concerns.

    in otherwords, this is not mere hobby horsing for me.

    No response required, but just an fyi

  112. “The first thing you need to do is to organise an effective well-disciplined We.”

    When I say “We” I’m referring to “Us,” Kimosabe.

    Us, that is, if you want to close the borders like I do.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  113. Hibernian says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    Back the [expleted deleted] off?

  114. Hibernian says:
    @Really this blind

    Sure, every white opioid addict is a racist.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  115. Hibernian says:
    @anon

    He’s right that Governor Reagan opposed a law that would have banned any homosexual advocacy in the schools. His one error is substituting an “8” for a “6” or a “7.”

  116. Hibernian says:
    @Ian Smith

    Your source mentions four Black Republicans who support affirmative action:

    I am active in mainstream opposition to affirmative action and other race-based giveaways, and in my work I have met a number of prominent black conservatives. I do not put all my cards on the table when I talk to them, and it is clear that many of them — J.C. Watts, Michael Steele, Armstrong Williams, and Ken Blackwell, for example — support affirmative action. They don’t care about race-blindness; tribal politics come before equal rights or fair treatment. White conservatives overlook this and embrace them because they are grateful to have any blacks whom they can call allies.

    Neither Thomas nor Peterson nor Walter Williams is among them. Thomas’ hard line judicial views are well known and listening to Walter Williams’ on the radio gives evidence he’s a real Conservative. Don’t know anything about Peterson except I believe he’s a clergyman or lay religious leader, and his enemies make a big deal of the fact he was born and/or raised on a plantation, in Louisiana. (Almost the only state that still has any; maybe Mississippi does too.)

    The source goes on to discuss in a dismissive way Black religious conservatives, including Alveda King whom I believe to be a very courageous woman. Towards the end it acknowledges that some Black people are real conservatives.

    • Replies: @Ian Smith
  117. dfordoom says: • Website
    @James Solbakken

    “The first thing you need to do is to organise an effective well-disciplined We.”

    When I say “We” I’m referring to “Us,” Kimosabe.

    Us, that is, if you want to close the borders like I do.

    In which case you’ll need an organised well-disciplined closing the borders We with effective leadership and with a coherent plan.

    What you have at the moment is a disorganised rabble with zero leadership and no idea of how to go about achieving the objective. You also have limited public support and that level of public support is actually declining (partly because the alt-right is such a liability). You’d need a program that might actually attract some support which means that if your group includes HBD nutters, rabid Jew-haters, conspiracy theorists, people nostalgic for the good old days of the Jim Crow laws and the other kooks who make up the alt-right/dissident right then you’ll face an uphill battle.

    And if you want to take over the Republican Party you have the added problem that it is overwhelmingly dominated by immigration enthusiasts (and that includes Trump) who will fight tooth and nail to stop your takeover.

    If you did take over then you’d have a party that would have no money because the money supply from donors would immediately dry up completely.

    I’m not entirely convinced that taking over an existing political party is as easy as some people seem to think. I do admit that though that with the US two-party system starting a new party would be impossible.

    • Agree: iffen
    • Replies: @James Solbakken
  118. @dfordoom

    I think what any political realignment would require, whether it involved remaking an existing party or creating a new one, is a crystal clear expression of what it stood for, what it wanted to accomplish, which would attract an “Us” and repel a “Them.” And then it would be necessary to avoid disqualifying nutters, haters, nostalgic theorists, etc, just because they are kooks. IF the kooks support the primary position of the new movement, THEN they are in. Only otherwise are they out.

    If you can’t accept kooks in your political coalition, YOU DO NOT DESERVE TO WIN!!!

    This is why the Demonic Rats are able to run circles around the stupid panty waisted Republicans; they don’t care how insane their ranks are, they only care about whether they get votes to support their primary agenda.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    , @dfordoom
  119. “Back the [expleted deleted] off?”

    I prefer the road not taken if I have a choice. Laugh.

    I think that’s high road the author took, but it took me a while, not unusual for with acronyms and computer short cuts.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  120. dfordoom says: • Website
    @James Solbakken

    I think what any political realignment would require, whether it involved remaking an existing party or creating a new one, is a crystal clear expression of what it stood for, what it wanted to accomplish, which would attract an “Us” and repel a “Them.”

    One big problem is that a party of the Economic Right is never going to be trustworthy on immigration. Big business, farmers, small business, the donor class – the one thing that unites these people is a desire to keep wages low and a fanatical belief that immigration benefits them. Whether it benefits the country is of course irrelevant to the Economic Right.

    If you could stage a successful coup and take over the Republican Party you would immediately find yourself under extreme pressure from big business, farmers, small business and the donors to reverse your stance on immigration. It would not be very long before the New Republican Party was just as pro-immigration as the old one.

    This is not an American thing. It’s a universal thing, within the Anglosphere anyway. Take a look at the parties of the Economic Right in places like Britain and Australia – they’re absolutely committed to maintaining massively high immigration levels.

    You can never ever trust the Economic Right on immigration.

  121. dfordoom says: • Website
    @James Solbakken

    And then it would be necessary to avoid disqualifying nutters, haters, nostalgic theorists, etc, just because they are kooks. IF the kooks support the primary position of the new movement, THEN they are in. Only otherwise are they out.

    If you can’t accept kooks in your political coalition, YOU DO NOT DESERVE TO WIN!!!

    It depends on how much political damage those kooks are doing to you. You’re going to be accused of being Nazis anyway but the presence of the rabid Jew-haters and the HBDers in your coalition will make that accusation seem much more plausible to normies. The presence of some of the more colourful conspiracy theorists will make normies think your entire movement is made up of crazies.

    And the presence of the kooks in your coalition makes it much more unlikely that you’ll be able persuade one or two members of the elite to support you.

    My suspicion is that the kooks have no actual interest in winning. They live in a fantasy world anyway.

    That’s the biggest single problem among the immigration restrictionists and other dissident factions – too many people with a total disconnection from reality.

    • Replies: @James Solbakken
  122. @dfordoom

    “And the presence of the kooks in your coalition makes it much more unlikely that you’ll be able persuade one or two members of the elite to support you. ”

    I have no greater enemy than what you call the “elite.” I call them the demon infested winged monkey servants of Satan.

    And I use the term kook ironically, whereas you obviously think that the word kook is used seriously by the demon infested winged monkey servants of Satan. Well, no, it is not. A kook is anyone who does not accept the swill offered by the propagandists of the regime. Didn’t you know that?

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  123. dfordoom says: • Website
    @James Solbakken

    “And the presence of the kooks in your coalition makes it much more unlikely that you’ll be able persuade one or two members of the elite to support you. ”

    I have no greater enemy than what you call the “elite.”

    The problem is that if you want to win you’ll find it a very difficult task if the elites are 100% against you. Genuine political change is almost always a top-down thing. Spontaneous grassroots uprisings just don’t happen very often. Change happens when there is a split in the elites, with some members of the elites deciding that it’s in their interests for things to change.

    Of course the elites are scum. You don’t get to be elite by being a nice guy. You get to be elite by being vicious, ruthless and unprincipled. But if some of those vicious ruthless unprincipled scum turn against the rest of the vicious ruthless unprincipled scum then the situation becomes unstable and that instability offers opportunities.

    When the elites are no longer united you have a fighting chance.

    A kook is anyone who does not accept the swill offered by the propagandists of the regime.

    But there’s a proportion of the people who do not accept the swill offered by the propagandists of the regime who are genuinely lunatics and they can be a liability.

    • Replies: @iffen
  124. “You get to be elite by being vicious, ruthless and unprincipled.”

    Cannibals elect cannibal kings. A vile and disgusting People will elect monsters more vile and disgusting than themselves to lead them.

    I may be embarrassed by a political ally who believes the earth is flat, but, such a kooky opinion on a politically unessential topic will absolutely not prevent me from accepting his political support as part of a political coalition. So that is the sense in which I do not give a flying frigola about accusations of kookiness when it comes to politics.

  125. iffen says:
    @dfordoom

    Of course the elites are scum.

    Point of order.

    I’m not sure that this is literally true. Don’t we have to have to tie it to some behavior or politics?

  126. Jessica says:

    Does anyone have the original source data?

    I don’t know why they think its OK to produce a “smack down” style post like this (I.e. a post that purports to completely disprove a position) and NOT provide the source data.

    Maybe the poll data here is fake…Maybe the poll was done very poorly…Maybe a shady org did the poll….

    That’s what people will say when we try to smack them down without the original source!

  127. @Hibernian

    Sure, every white is a racist.

    FIFY!

  128. @EliteCommInc.

    It was a dopey way of complimenting Elite for a clever, funny response.

  129. @Jessica

    The data is taken from the General Social Survey. It is a survey database. Users have to cross reference responses on their own. If you’ve come over from Vox Popoli, it’s something we pull from frequently here.

    I have a primer post here for those who are interested.

  130. SullyRob says:

    @Audacious Epigone
    Could you post a link to the specific survey then please? Also why doesn’t UNZ just post the links/sources himself instead of placing the fact-checking burden on the reader?

  131. Jessica says:
    @Jessica

    Hey, thank you! I’ll take a look at this, I appreciate the response.

  132. Ian Smith says:
    @Hibernian

    A few extreme outliers does not nullify a trend. It is the worst kind of NAXALT thinking.

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