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One of these days I will put together a list of the most commonly held incorrect assumptions about popular social attitudes in the US. Included in said list will be the belief that young people are enthusiastic gun grabbers who are finally going to see to it that the American citizenry is forcibly disarmed. David Hogg was an organic phenomenon, grown out of the fertile soil of young men who spent their teenage years playing Call of Duty, after all–nothing manufactured about his story!

From a YouGov survey released a few days ago, results from the three questions addressing gun control by respondent age cohort:

Parenthetically, “buyback” is an Orwellian term. To buy something back, one must first sell the thing. The federal government didn’t sell any of these guns. It didn’t manufacture any of them, either. Such a program would not involve buying anything back–it would involve the theft of the personal property of American citizens in blatant violation of the US Constitution–with forcibly stolen funds, of course.

 
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  1. anon[145] • Disclaimer says:

    When people in the US say they want “stricter gun laws” they generally have no clue what the existing laws actually are. Because they have been informed by ignoramuses in the media who blindly repeat lies told to them by lying liars such as Josh Sugarmann.

    If one makes a list of actual existing gun laws and pitches them to ordinary people as proposals, some of them will find the “proposal” to be too strict. They won’t recognize the existing law. Yet Americans who own guns are required to know all of those laws. All the Federal regs and state laws. It’s a project to travel across multiple state lines to go hunting in some parts of the country, and even more interesting for those who have concealed carry permits.

    Included in said list will be the belief that young people are enthusiastic gun grabbers who are finally going to see to it that the American citizenry is forcibly disarmed.

    It’s because of the echo chamber liberals live in. The Pauline Kael effect. They don’t admit to knowing anyone who owns an AR-15, so why not go full Beta “door to door” O’Rourke? What could go wrong?

    • Replies: @95Theses
    The Pauline Kael effect?

    Ha! That's a new one on me! How does this late film critic figure in?
  2. Not what I was expecting among 18–29 year-olds, or the 45–64 crowd for mandatory buybacks.

    Whatever the case, all those numbers are depressingly higher than they ought to be. And have these no-good do-gooders considered what happens next when gun owners refuse to comply en masse with any new dhimmi laws designed to violate the rights endowed to us by our Creator?

    Here’s a question for a survey:

    1) How should the citizenry respond to the State’s violation of fundamental constitutional rights?

    2) What line would have to be crossed to justify civil disobedience in rejection of aforesaid?

    3) What would that civil disobedience entail?

    • Replies: @216

    3) What would that civil disobedience entail?
     
    Several million people willing to risk prosecution, trial and a 5 year sentence in federal prison.

    Jury nullification (never heard of this happening in Bluestans, and most cases are plea bargained).

    The bigger risk is that an asset freeze is imposed, akin to the social credit system. Most conservatives are middle class strivers by nature, and will find it very hard to stand on principle.
    , @Realist

    Not what I was expecting among 18–29 year-olds, or the 45–64 crowd for mandatory buybacks.
     
    True, but there is,sadly, overall strong support for this gun control bullshit.
    , @Ash Williams

    3) What would that civil disobedience entail?

     

    1. Refusal to enforce by local LEO (see upstate NY for an example)

    2. Conversions of millions of scary black rifles into even scarier black pistols (with pistol braces)

    3. Manufacture of (shockingly easy to make/effective) homemade firearms (e.g. Deterrence Distributed)

    4. Manufacture of ammunition (get ready for DIY armor piercing ammo)

  3. @95Theses
    Not what I was expecting among 18–29 year-olds, or the 45–64 crowd for mandatory buybacks.

    Whatever the case, all those numbers are depressingly higher than they ought to be. And have these no-good do-gooders considered what happens next when gun owners refuse to comply en masse with any new dhimmi laws designed to violate the rights endowed to us by our Creator?

    Here's a question for a survey:

    1) How should the citizenry respond to the State's violation of fundamental constitutional rights?

    2) What line would have to be crossed to justify civil disobedience in rejection of aforesaid?

    3) What would that civil disobedience entail?

    3) What would that civil disobedience entail?

    Several million people willing to risk prosecution, trial and a 5 year sentence in federal prison.

    Jury nullification (never heard of this happening in Bluestans, and most cases are plea bargained).

    The bigger risk is that an asset freeze is imposed, akin to the social credit system. Most conservatives are middle class strivers by nature, and will find it very hard to stand on principle.

    • Agree: Rosie
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Several million people willing to risk prosecution, trial and a 5 year sentence in federal prison.
     
    Nope, several thousand or so is all it would take. The first bunch would be risking a lot, though not nearly as much as our Founding Fathers did. If it got to a million, there's nothing the Feds could do. You can't prosecute a million and you can't put a million in prison. There is power in numbers. People need to remember that.
    , @iffen
    Several million people willing to risk prosecution, trial and a 5 year sentence in federal prison.

    Since this didn't happen during the years before 2008, I think that it is safe to say that not much will happen when a future Supreme Court overturns Heller.
  4. @216

    3) What would that civil disobedience entail?
     
    Several million people willing to risk prosecution, trial and a 5 year sentence in federal prison.

    Jury nullification (never heard of this happening in Bluestans, and most cases are plea bargained).

    The bigger risk is that an asset freeze is imposed, akin to the social credit system. Most conservatives are middle class strivers by nature, and will find it very hard to stand on principle.

    Several million people willing to risk prosecution, trial and a 5 year sentence in federal prison.

    Nope, several thousand or so is all it would take. The first bunch would be risking a lot, though not nearly as much as our Founding Fathers did. If it got to a million, there’s nothing the Feds could do. You can’t prosecute a million and you can’t put a million in prison. There is power in numbers. People need to remember that.

  5. Very good point, A.E., on the stupid term “buyback”. The city ones have been voluntary. I suppose it’s legal because it’s a city, not the Feds (unconstitutional per Amendment X, if nothing else). However, they’ve always been pretty silly anyway, with black hoods selling stolen guns and white people selling those old broken bird guns to the, well, to the taxpayers of the city.

    So, you’ve got fencing and recycling going on. Just supporting the brothers and saving the planet …

    • Replies: @Realist

    I suppose it’s legal because it’s a city, not the Feds (unconstitutional per Amendment X, if nothing else).
     
    But cities get an extreme amount of money from the fed.
  6. @216

    3) What would that civil disobedience entail?
     
    Several million people willing to risk prosecution, trial and a 5 year sentence in federal prison.

    Jury nullification (never heard of this happening in Bluestans, and most cases are plea bargained).

    The bigger risk is that an asset freeze is imposed, akin to the social credit system. Most conservatives are middle class strivers by nature, and will find it very hard to stand on principle.

    Several million people willing to risk prosecution, trial and a 5 year sentence in federal prison.

    Since this didn’t happen during the years before 2008, I think that it is safe to say that not much will happen when a future Supreme Court overturns Heller.

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    How many "bump stocks" have been turned in to BATF under POTUS Executive Order? How many sound suppressor parts were turned in when ALL silencer parts were declared to be silencers?
  7. @95Theses
    Not what I was expecting among 18–29 year-olds, or the 45–64 crowd for mandatory buybacks.

    Whatever the case, all those numbers are depressingly higher than they ought to be. And have these no-good do-gooders considered what happens next when gun owners refuse to comply en masse with any new dhimmi laws designed to violate the rights endowed to us by our Creator?

    Here's a question for a survey:

    1) How should the citizenry respond to the State's violation of fundamental constitutional rights?

    2) What line would have to be crossed to justify civil disobedience in rejection of aforesaid?

    3) What would that civil disobedience entail?

    Not what I was expecting among 18–29 year-olds, or the 45–64 crowd for mandatory buybacks.

    True, but there is,sadly, overall strong support for this gun control bullshit.

  8. @Achmed E. Newman
    Very good point, A.E., on the stupid term "buyback". The city ones have been voluntary. I suppose it's legal because it's a city, not the Feds (unconstitutional per Amendment X, if nothing else). However, they've always been pretty silly anyway, with black hoods selling stolen guns and white people selling those old broken bird guns to the, well, to the taxpayers of the city.

    So, you've got fencing and recycling going on. Just supporting the brothers and saving the planet ...

    I suppose it’s legal because it’s a city, not the Feds (unconstitutional per Amendment X, if nothing else).

    But cities get an extreme amount of money from the fed.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Sure, and that itself is unconstitutional, whatever it's for. When you look into it, it's unconstitutionality all the way down.

    Let cities do this stupidity, though. Gun "buybacks" are about as stupid as those black marches to "end the violence" (in which there is often a shoot-out during the march or subsequent chicken BBQ).
  9. @Realist

    I suppose it’s legal because it’s a city, not the Feds (unconstitutional per Amendment X, if nothing else).
     
    But cities get an extreme amount of money from the fed.

    Sure, and that itself is unconstitutional, whatever it’s for. When you look into it, it’s unconstitutionality all the way down.

    Let cities do this stupidity, though. Gun “buybacks” are about as stupid as those black marches to “end the violence” (in which there is often a shoot-out during the march or subsequent chicken BBQ).

    • Replies: @Realist
    Agreed.
  10. @Achmed E. Newman
    Sure, and that itself is unconstitutional, whatever it's for. When you look into it, it's unconstitutionality all the way down.

    Let cities do this stupidity, though. Gun "buybacks" are about as stupid as those black marches to "end the violence" (in which there is often a shoot-out during the march or subsequent chicken BBQ).

    Agreed.

  11. How have the “gun free zones” worked out. Hmmm? Never mind.

  12. I wonder how a “vote buyback” would poll.

  13. “the belief that young people are enthusiastic gun grabbers who are finally going to see to it that the American citizenry is forcibly disarmed. ”

    In all honesty, I have never had this sense. In my observation the issue of gun control has always been pushed hardest by politicians/Hollywood, looking to score cheap virtue signaling points with the public after the latest gun related incident. David Hogg, based on his behavior during the actual shooting, is a pathologically narcissistic tragedy profiteer who isn’t representative of the younger generations.

  14. @95Theses
    Not what I was expecting among 18–29 year-olds, or the 45–64 crowd for mandatory buybacks.

    Whatever the case, all those numbers are depressingly higher than they ought to be. And have these no-good do-gooders considered what happens next when gun owners refuse to comply en masse with any new dhimmi laws designed to violate the rights endowed to us by our Creator?

    Here's a question for a survey:

    1) How should the citizenry respond to the State's violation of fundamental constitutional rights?

    2) What line would have to be crossed to justify civil disobedience in rejection of aforesaid?

    3) What would that civil disobedience entail?

    3) What would that civil disobedience entail?

    1. Refusal to enforce by local LEO (see upstate NY for an example)

    2. Conversions of millions of scary black rifles into even scarier black pistols (with pistol braces)

    3. Manufacture of (shockingly easy to make/effective) homemade firearms (e.g. Deterrence Distributed)

    4. Manufacture of ammunition (get ready for DIY armor piercing ammo)

    • Replies: @95Theses
    1) Hopefully, but I wouldn't count on it.

    2) And, of course, in addition to conversion kits you can already purchase fully assembled AR-15 pistols from Palmetto State Armory. ツ

    3) This one is somewhat dicey. Is it even legal to own a manual instructing you how to do this? Maybe by locale, but probably more than just frowned upon. Also, what is "Deterrence Distributed"? A concept or website?

    4) Ditto for your aforementioned parenthetical in 3, only more so.

  15. Actually, the Federal government has firearms it will sell to you, Mr. & Mrs. America, for the purposes of training the Body Politic. This is Marksmanship training for militia reasons,.

    http://thecmp.org/cmp_sales/

    • Replies: @95Theses
    Great link! Thanks.
  16. The reason the lower age range is opposed to AR-15 confiscation is because that is THEIR gun, AMERICA’S GUN. The AR-15 is the Barbie Doll of the gun world; every single part on the gun is available YOUR WAY from AMERICAN INDUSTRY. That’s why it is important to fight the recent hike in the age requirements to own long guns in Florida, Illinois and other states. It prevents arming of the lower age range of the US Militia as spelled out in Federal law.

    10 U.S. Code § 246. Militia: composition and classes

    (a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
    (b) The classes of the militia are—
    (1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
    (2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

    (a) The following persons are exempt from militia duty:
    (1) The Vice President.
    (2) The judicial and executive officers of the United States, the several States, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, Guam, and the Virgin Islands.
    (3) Members of the armed forces, except members who are not on active duty.
    (4) Customhouse clerks.
    (5) Persons employed by the United States in the transmission of mail.
    (6) Workmen employed in armories, arsenals, and naval shipyards of the United States.
    (7) Pilots on navigable waters.
    (8) Mariners in the sea service of a citizen of, or a merchant in, the United States.
    (b) A person who claims exemption because of religious belief is exempt from militia duty in a combatant capacity, if the conscientious holding of that belief is established under such regulations as the President may prescribe. However, such a person is not exempt from militia duty that the President determines to be noncombatant.
    (Aug. 10, 1956, ch. 1041, 70A Stat. 15, § 312; Pub. L. 100–456, div. A, title XII, § 1234(a)(3), Sept. 29, 1988, 102 Stat. 2059; Pub. L. 109–163, div. A, title X, § 1057(a)(7), Jan. 6, 2006, 119 Stat. 3441; renumbered § 247, Pub. L. 114–328, div. A, title XII, § 1241(a)(2), Dec. 23, 2016, 130 Stat. 2497.)

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/247

    • Replies: @95Theses
    Two relatively recent articles which show that, if anything, there is a decreasing risk of being murdered with an AR-15 with every passing year. And considering that current number of AR-15s in the hands of private citizens is around 15 million (a figure which is growing by a million every year since 2012), the media hype demanding stricter gun control laws is horsefeathers.

    20+ years of FBI data – “Assault Rifles” pose little threat to public safety
    2016, June 21 | Brandon

    … Since 1995 (the year after the 1994-2004 Assault Weapons Ban), the FBI has maintained a very detailed list of how many people have died at the hands of assault weapons and/or rifles, which are merged into the same group. Therefore, we can make a solid comparison on what gun violence looks like.

    In 2014, you are 67% less likely to be murdered by an assault weapon or rifle than you were in 1995 ...
    http://knowledgeglue.com/20-years-of-fbi-data-assault-rifles-pose-little-threat-to-public-safety/
     


    Everything you know about AR15s might be a lie
    2016, June 22 | Brandon

    This is a follow-up to our article reporting concerning 20+ years of FBI data, ‘assault rifle’ fatalities continue to decline.

    The purpose of this article, and our previous one are to highlight just the facts – That despite becoming the overwhelmingly most popular firearm in the United States, AR15s are by and large only used by civilians for recreational activities, and that a new assault weapons ban would be extraordinarily ineffective. This, based on 20+ years of data provided by the FBI and DOJ concerning the number of crimes committed with rifles including ones like the AR15 ...

    Percentage of Murders Involving Rifles & Assault Weapons
    http://knowledgeglue.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Ar15s-compared-to-murders.jpg

    http://knowledgeglue.com/just-how-many-ar15s-are-out-there/
     

    Lots of good links within these articles.
  17. @iffen
    Several million people willing to risk prosecution, trial and a 5 year sentence in federal prison.

    Since this didn't happen during the years before 2008, I think that it is safe to say that not much will happen when a future Supreme Court overturns Heller.

    How many “bump stocks” have been turned in to BATF under POTUS Executive Order? How many sound suppressor parts were turned in when ALL silencer parts were declared to be silencers?

  18. It would interesting to look at support for gun control versus married with children. Generally, there is a rural/urban split, but I wonder if having kids tends to push you for or against gun control.

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    One the most important things you can do to further US "Gun Culture" is to make sure your children have firearms when they leave home. That way, the spouse-to-be can't have VETO over guns in a household. You have a gun, period.

    Guns make fantastic wedding gifts, birthday gifts, Christmas presents. I've given .22LR weapons as birthday and wedding gifts.

    Christmas season is around the corner; the cheapest AR rifles go for around $450 (ATI Omni MAXX).
  19. The problem is that they have peddled the idea that an AR-15 is not necessary for self-defence even though that is 180% from the truth. An AR-15 is better for self defence than a pistol. It is more accurate and easy to manuever. The media just hide stories like this:

    https://gossiponthis.com/2019/09/21/georgia-teens-killed-by-homeowner-alleged-attempted-robbery/

    If only the media told heartwarming stories like this.

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    If pistol caliber 9mm H&K MP5s have fallen out of favor with SWAT teams around the world in favor of 5.56mm rifle caliber short-barrel ARs, then it certainly shows the general utility of assault rifles in even close quarters battle, doesn't it?
  20. Gun control is just stupid. But we could use a bit of crime control. From Jim Comey to the punk who broke you car window to steal half a pack of cigarettes.

  21. @MarkinLA
    The problem is that they have peddled the idea that an AR-15 is not necessary for self-defence even though that is 180% from the truth. An AR-15 is better for self defence than a pistol. It is more accurate and easy to manuever. The media just hide stories like this:

    https://gossiponthis.com/2019/09/21/georgia-teens-killed-by-homeowner-alleged-attempted-robbery/

    If only the media told heartwarming stories like this.

    If pistol caliber 9mm H&K MP5s have fallen out of favor with SWAT teams around the world in favor of 5.56mm rifle caliber short-barrel ARs, then it certainly shows the general utility of assault rifles in even close quarters battle, doesn’t it?

  22. My prized possession is my Desert Eagle. It is painted gold, and truly a magnificent, fearsome sight to behold.

    It is still a handgun, so it is not a target of these insane laws.

  23. “It is still a handgun, so it is not a target of these insane laws.”

    We only went through a HALF-CENTURY of general attacks on handgun ownership including handgun bans in Morton Grove, IL and handgun registration freezes in Chicago. And let’s not forget the war on so-called Saturday Night Specials and zinc-cast handguns.

    Young people think the war on semi-autos is the “gun control” arena when it is a multi-decade Cosmopolitan attack on ALL guns starting with the National Firearms Act of 1934, proceeding to the Gun Control Act of 1968, the 1985 McClure-Volkmer Firearms Owners Act, the AP bullet ban that resulted in the drying up of ostensibly rifle ammo (e.g. steel core 7.62x39mm) and the ban on small firearms (started off as an attack on plastic guns like Glocks because allegedly they could go through X-Ray machines.).

  24. @Tulip
    It would interesting to look at support for gun control versus married with children. Generally, there is a rural/urban split, but I wonder if having kids tends to push you for or against gun control.

    One the most important things you can do to further US “Gun Culture” is to make sure your children have firearms when they leave home. That way, the spouse-to-be can’t have VETO over guns in a household. You have a gun, period.

    Guns make fantastic wedding gifts, birthday gifts, Christmas presents. I’ve given .22LR weapons as birthday and wedding gifts.

    Christmas season is around the corner; the cheapest AR rifles go for around $450 (ATI Omni MAXX).

    • Replies: @216
    One thing I thought interesting was when an Antifa group either "Redneck Revolt" or the "John Brown Gun Club", was offering free CCW training to poor PeeOhCee. Local NRA affiliates don't seem to do anything like this.

    While a large number of guns have been sold since 2008, many have been multiple sales, either of CCW handguns, or additional semi-autos that mostly sit in safes and occassionally punch paper.

    Re-norming use of the AR could come from using it in pro-social activity, but it has the problem of being undersized for hunting deer, and oversized for hunting squirrel and other small game. Its main hunting use is on coyote, and possibly on the largely unregulated feral swine. The only other "pro-social" activity I can think of would be as a "reserve deputy", but IIRC these people can't be armed for legal reasons.

    What has to disappear is open-carry demonstrations, particularly at political events. Bump firing is wasteful and insulting, as is the strange view that guns are a "talisman" against tyranny when most conservatives have slavishly supported the Pentagon.

    Additional thoughts: the NRA has been too tied to the Republican Party, when it needs to be accomodating support for firearms among socialists. It would also help to emphasize the leadership of military veterans in the NRA.
  25. @Joe Stalin
    Actually, the Federal government has firearms it will sell to you, Mr. & Mrs. America, for the purposes of training the Body Politic. This is Marksmanship training for militia reasons,.

    http://thecmp.org/cmp_sales/

    Great link! Thanks.

  26. @Joe Stalin
    The reason the lower age range is opposed to AR-15 confiscation is because that is THEIR gun, AMERICA'S GUN. The AR-15 is the Barbie Doll of the gun world; every single part on the gun is available YOUR WAY from AMERICAN INDUSTRY. That's why it is important to fight the recent hike in the age requirements to own long guns in Florida, Illinois and other states. It prevents arming of the lower age range of the US Militia as spelled out in Federal law.

    10 U.S. Code § 246. Militia: composition and classes

    (a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
    (b) The classes of the militia are—
    (1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
    (2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

    (a) The following persons are exempt from militia duty:
    (1) The Vice President.
    (2) The judicial and executive officers of the United States, the several States, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, Guam, and the Virgin Islands.
    (3) Members of the armed forces, except members who are not on active duty.
    (4) Customhouse clerks.
    (5) Persons employed by the United States in the transmission of mail.
    (6) Workmen employed in armories, arsenals, and naval shipyards of the United States.
    (7) Pilots on navigable waters.
    (8) Mariners in the sea service of a citizen of, or a merchant in, the United States.
    (b) A person who claims exemption because of religious belief is exempt from militia duty in a combatant capacity, if the conscientious holding of that belief is established under such regulations as the President may prescribe. However, such a person is not exempt from militia duty that the President determines to be noncombatant.
    (Aug. 10, 1956, ch. 1041, 70A Stat. 15, § 312; Pub. L. 100–456, div. A, title XII, § 1234(a)(3), Sept. 29, 1988, 102 Stat. 2059; Pub. L. 109–163, div. A, title X, § 1057(a)(7), Jan. 6, 2006, 119 Stat. 3441; renumbered § 247, Pub. L. 114–328, div. A, title XII, § 1241(a)(2), Dec. 23, 2016, 130 Stat. 2497.)

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/247
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbPpQOIYtis

    Two relatively recent articles which show that, if anything, there is a decreasing risk of being murdered with an AR-15 with every passing year. And considering that current number of AR-15s in the hands of private citizens is around 15 million (a figure which is growing by a million every year since 2012), the media hype demanding stricter gun control laws is horsefeathers.

    20+ years of FBI data – “Assault Rifles” pose little threat to public safety
    2016, June 21 | Brandon

    … Since 1995 (the year after the 1994-2004 Assault Weapons Ban), the FBI has maintained a very detailed list of how many people have died at the hands of assault weapons and/or rifles, which are merged into the same group. Therefore, we can make a solid comparison on what gun violence looks like.

    In 2014, you are 67% less likely to be murdered by an assault weapon or rifle than you were in 1995 …
    http://knowledgeglue.com/20-years-of-fbi-data-assault-rifles-pose-little-threat-to-public-safety/

    Everything you know about AR15s might be a lie
    2016, June 22 | Brandon

    This is a follow-up to our article reporting concerning 20+ years of FBI data, ‘assault rifle’ fatalities continue to decline.

    The purpose of this article, and our previous one are to highlight just the facts – That despite becoming the overwhelmingly most popular firearm in the United States, AR15s are by and large only used by civilians for recreational activities, and that a new assault weapons ban would be extraordinarily ineffective. This, based on 20+ years of data provided by the FBI and DOJ concerning the number of crimes committed with rifles including ones like the AR15 …

    Percentage of Murders Involving Rifles & Assault Weapons
    http://knowledgeglue.com/just-how-many-ar15s-are-out-there/

    Lots of good links within these articles.

    • Replies: @216
    Arguing with facts does not work.

    The wider public is prepared to dispense with at least three constitutional provisions in order to halt what it sees as an upwardly spiraling number of "suicide terrorist" mass shooters.

    The only argument that is going to work is fear, people have to be reasonably convinced that lawlessness, if not outright insurrection; will be the result of an Australia-style confiscation.

    2-26
  27. @anon
    When people in the US say they want "stricter gun laws" they generally have no clue what the existing laws actually are. Because they have been informed by ignoramuses in the media who blindly repeat lies told to them by lying liars such as Josh Sugarmann.

    If one makes a list of actual existing gun laws and pitches them to ordinary people as proposals, some of them will find the "proposal" to be too strict. They won't recognize the existing law. Yet Americans who own guns are required to know all of those laws. All the Federal regs and state laws. It's a project to travel across multiple state lines to go hunting in some parts of the country, and even more interesting for those who have concealed carry permits.

    Included in said list will be the belief that young people are enthusiastic gun grabbers who are finally going to see to it that the American citizenry is forcibly disarmed.

    It's because of the echo chamber liberals live in. The Pauline Kael effect. They don't admit to knowing anyone who owns an AR-15, so why not go full Beta "door to door" O'Rourke? What could go wrong?

    The Pauline Kael effect?

    Ha! That’s a new one on me! How does this late film critic figure in?

    • Replies: @dfordoom

    The Pauline Kael effect?

    Ha! That’s a new one on me! How does this late film critic figure in?
     
    I assume it's a reference to the quote attributed to her in 1972, "How could Nixon have won? Everybody I know voted for McGovern."
  28. @Ash Williams

    3) What would that civil disobedience entail?

     

    1. Refusal to enforce by local LEO (see upstate NY for an example)

    2. Conversions of millions of scary black rifles into even scarier black pistols (with pistol braces)

    3. Manufacture of (shockingly easy to make/effective) homemade firearms (e.g. Deterrence Distributed)

    4. Manufacture of ammunition (get ready for DIY armor piercing ammo)

    1) Hopefully, but I wouldn’t count on it.

    2) And, of course, in addition to conversion kits you can already purchase fully assembled AR-15 pistols from Palmetto State Armory. ツ

    3) This one is somewhat dicey. Is it even legal to own a manual instructing you how to do this? Maybe by locale, but probably more than just frowned upon. Also, what is “Deterrence Distributed”? A concept or website?

    4) Ditto for your aforementioned parenthetical in 3, only more so.

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIhGCRIQnCA
    , @anarchyst
    In order to "stay within the law", once a weapon is classified as a rifle, it cannot be converted to a pistol (legally).

    The way to "make" an AR-15 type pistol is to purchase a "lower receiver"--one that has never been used on a rifle. The "lower receiver" is the serialized component and is considered to be the "firearm" by the federal government. These can be easily purchased, and will be classified as a "receiver" - not a "rifle" or a "pistol" on ATF form 4473. All other parts are unrestricted and can easily be procured by mail order.

    "Defense Distributed" (not "Deterrence Distributed) is a website that distributes plans to make your own firearm without dealing with government agencies. It was hassled by the feds for a while, but they seem to have "backed off". You see, that pesky "First Amendment" to the Constitution is in the way...

    Yes, it is legal to fabricate your own firearm, at least from a federal government perspective. State and local restrictions may apply. The only caveat is that you cannot sell it to anyone.
    , @Ash Williams
    Sorry, the organization I meant to reference is "Deterrence Dispensed" https://searx.openpandora.org/?q=Deterrence%20Dispensed&categories=general&language=en-US

    DIY everything, including electromachining barrel rifling.

    AFA legality of construction info is concerned, there's already gigs of gunsmithing manuals out there, and then there's that pesky First Amendment (at least in America).

    AFA the legality of "armor piercing" ammo, TTBOMK rifle ammo is OK, pistol ammo is verboten. Which is predictably dumb as just about anything else with regards to firearms in the USA, considering there's non-"armor piercing" ammunition that blows through a vest like it's not even there.
  29. @95Theses
    The Pauline Kael effect?

    Ha! That's a new one on me! How does this late film critic figure in?

    The Pauline Kael effect?

    Ha! That’s a new one on me! How does this late film critic figure in?

    I assume it’s a reference to the quote attributed to her in 1972, “How could Nixon have won? Everybody I know voted for McGovern.”

  30. Colt decides young (and middle age, oldsters) Americans shouldn’t have AR-15s from them.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
    Colt firearms are overpriced.

    An inexpensive "Anderson Arms" lower receiver works just as well as a Colt. If you buy Colt, you are paying for the name.

    In fact, there are only a half dozen facilities that produce lower receivers for every AR-15 manufacturer.

    Colt is privately-owned and can do what it wants...
  31. @95Theses
    1) Hopefully, but I wouldn't count on it.

    2) And, of course, in addition to conversion kits you can already purchase fully assembled AR-15 pistols from Palmetto State Armory. ツ

    3) This one is somewhat dicey. Is it even legal to own a manual instructing you how to do this? Maybe by locale, but probably more than just frowned upon. Also, what is "Deterrence Distributed"? A concept or website?

    4) Ditto for your aforementioned parenthetical in 3, only more so.

  32. @Joe Stalin
    Colt decides young (and middle age, oldsters) Americans shouldn't have AR-15s from them.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qt3DCqdnn8w

    Colt firearms are overpriced.

    An inexpensive “Anderson Arms” lower receiver works just as well as a Colt. If you buy Colt, you are paying for the name.

    In fact, there are only a half dozen facilities that produce lower receivers for every AR-15 manufacturer.

    Colt is privately-owned and can do what it wants…

    • Replies: @216
    Colt Firearms is a government contractor, and they have a long history of ignoring the civilian markets.

    The firearms industry is a cyclical and unreliable profit generator, many manufacturers have been through several bankruptcies.

    The two publicly traded gun companies, Ruger and S&W, sell a large amount of handguns to domestic and foreign law enforcement. Colt hasn't developed a new handgun in decades, and law enforcement doesn't want old revolvers or 1911s.

    Selling M4s to the US/foreign gov'ts is a more stable line of income, and politically insulated. The two socialist Senators from CT will ensure that the contracts keep flowing, and in a perma-left future FN in SC could lose its contracts. (At one point, the DoD contract forbade FN from civilian sales)

    I thought the CM901 rifle was an interesting design, but it never seems to have taken off. What Colt sold on the civilian market was of a similar price as what FN was selling.

    Historically, there were good reasons why arms manufacturing was done in a limited number of state-owned arsenals. Too bad Springfield was so arrogant as to reject the T48.
  33. @95Theses
    1) Hopefully, but I wouldn't count on it.

    2) And, of course, in addition to conversion kits you can already purchase fully assembled AR-15 pistols from Palmetto State Armory. ツ

    3) This one is somewhat dicey. Is it even legal to own a manual instructing you how to do this? Maybe by locale, but probably more than just frowned upon. Also, what is "Deterrence Distributed"? A concept or website?

    4) Ditto for your aforementioned parenthetical in 3, only more so.

    In order to “stay within the law”, once a weapon is classified as a rifle, it cannot be converted to a pistol (legally).

    The way to “make” an AR-15 type pistol is to purchase a “lower receiver”–one that has never been used on a rifle. The “lower receiver” is the serialized component and is considered to be the “firearm” by the federal government. These can be easily purchased, and will be classified as a “receiver” – not a “rifle” or a “pistol” on ATF form 4473. All other parts are unrestricted and can easily be procured by mail order.

    “Defense Distributed” (not “Deterrence Distributed) is a website that distributes plans to make your own firearm without dealing with government agencies. It was hassled by the feds for a while, but they seem to have “backed off”. You see, that pesky “First Amendment” to the Constitution is in the way…

    Yes, it is legal to fabricate your own firearm, at least from a federal government perspective. State and local restrictions may apply. The only caveat is that you cannot sell it to anyone.

    • Replies: @95Theses
    Wait. You were hassled by the Feds? For what, fabricating your own firearm, or for owning the publication detailing how to fabricate?
    , @95Theses
    Convert – yes, I misspoke. But the PSA link is still good for AR-15 pistol kits built as you described.
    , @Joe Stalin
    And remember, once you fit that that pistol top to the lower, it's a PISTOL. That means you can't put a stock on the lower receiver without having a 16" barrel upper receiver to officially convert it to a rifle configuration.

    You can manufacture legally AR-10, AR-15 and Glock-style lower receivers from so-called "80%" lower receivers.

    https://www.polymer80.com/

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKGJvxzy3qI

    but really cool is this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SK3FKv-WwR8
    , @Ash Williams
    Sorry, the organization I meant to reference is "Deterrence Dispensed" https://searx.openpandora.org/?q=Deterrence%20Dispensed&categories=general&language=en-US

    DIY everything, including electromachining barrel rifling.
  34. @anarchyst
    In order to "stay within the law", once a weapon is classified as a rifle, it cannot be converted to a pistol (legally).

    The way to "make" an AR-15 type pistol is to purchase a "lower receiver"--one that has never been used on a rifle. The "lower receiver" is the serialized component and is considered to be the "firearm" by the federal government. These can be easily purchased, and will be classified as a "receiver" - not a "rifle" or a "pistol" on ATF form 4473. All other parts are unrestricted and can easily be procured by mail order.

    "Defense Distributed" (not "Deterrence Distributed) is a website that distributes plans to make your own firearm without dealing with government agencies. It was hassled by the feds for a while, but they seem to have "backed off". You see, that pesky "First Amendment" to the Constitution is in the way...

    Yes, it is legal to fabricate your own firearm, at least from a federal government perspective. State and local restrictions may apply. The only caveat is that you cannot sell it to anyone.

    Wait. You were hassled by the Feds? For what, fabricating your own firearm, or for owning the publication detailing how to fabricate?

    • Replies: @anarchyst
    No, I was not hassled, not being a part of "Defense Distributed".

    The owner of the website "Defense Distributed" (not me) was prosecuted for exporting munitions without a state department license for making his plans available to anyone on the internet.

    Knowledge is power...
  35. @anarchyst
    In order to "stay within the law", once a weapon is classified as a rifle, it cannot be converted to a pistol (legally).

    The way to "make" an AR-15 type pistol is to purchase a "lower receiver"--one that has never been used on a rifle. The "lower receiver" is the serialized component and is considered to be the "firearm" by the federal government. These can be easily purchased, and will be classified as a "receiver" - not a "rifle" or a "pistol" on ATF form 4473. All other parts are unrestricted and can easily be procured by mail order.

    "Defense Distributed" (not "Deterrence Distributed) is a website that distributes plans to make your own firearm without dealing with government agencies. It was hassled by the feds for a while, but they seem to have "backed off". You see, that pesky "First Amendment" to the Constitution is in the way...

    Yes, it is legal to fabricate your own firearm, at least from a federal government perspective. State and local restrictions may apply. The only caveat is that you cannot sell it to anyone.

    Convert – yes, I misspoke. But the PSA link is still good for AR-15 pistol kits built as you described.

  36. @anarchyst
    In order to "stay within the law", once a weapon is classified as a rifle, it cannot be converted to a pistol (legally).

    The way to "make" an AR-15 type pistol is to purchase a "lower receiver"--one that has never been used on a rifle. The "lower receiver" is the serialized component and is considered to be the "firearm" by the federal government. These can be easily purchased, and will be classified as a "receiver" - not a "rifle" or a "pistol" on ATF form 4473. All other parts are unrestricted and can easily be procured by mail order.

    "Defense Distributed" (not "Deterrence Distributed) is a website that distributes plans to make your own firearm without dealing with government agencies. It was hassled by the feds for a while, but they seem to have "backed off". You see, that pesky "First Amendment" to the Constitution is in the way...

    Yes, it is legal to fabricate your own firearm, at least from a federal government perspective. State and local restrictions may apply. The only caveat is that you cannot sell it to anyone.

    And remember, once you fit that that pistol top to the lower, it’s a PISTOL. That means you can’t put a stock on the lower receiver without having a 16″ barrel upper receiver to officially convert it to a rifle configuration.

    You can manufacture legally AR-10, AR-15 and Glock-style lower receivers from so-called “80%” lower receivers.

    https://www.polymer80.com/

    but really cool is this:

    • Replies: @95Theses
    Very cool. Thanks for posting.
  37. @Joe Stalin
    And remember, once you fit that that pistol top to the lower, it's a PISTOL. That means you can't put a stock on the lower receiver without having a 16" barrel upper receiver to officially convert it to a rifle configuration.

    You can manufacture legally AR-10, AR-15 and Glock-style lower receivers from so-called "80%" lower receivers.

    https://www.polymer80.com/

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKGJvxzy3qI

    but really cool is this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SK3FKv-WwR8

    Very cool. Thanks for posting.

  38. @anarchyst
    Colt firearms are overpriced.

    An inexpensive "Anderson Arms" lower receiver works just as well as a Colt. If you buy Colt, you are paying for the name.

    In fact, there are only a half dozen facilities that produce lower receivers for every AR-15 manufacturer.

    Colt is privately-owned and can do what it wants...

    Colt Firearms is a government contractor, and they have a long history of ignoring the civilian markets.

    The firearms industry is a cyclical and unreliable profit generator, many manufacturers have been through several bankruptcies.

    The two publicly traded gun companies, Ruger and S&W, sell a large amount of handguns to domestic and foreign law enforcement. Colt hasn’t developed a new handgun in decades, and law enforcement doesn’t want old revolvers or 1911s.

    Selling M4s to the US/foreign gov’ts is a more stable line of income, and politically insulated. The two socialist Senators from CT will ensure that the contracts keep flowing, and in a perma-left future FN in SC could lose its contracts. (At one point, the DoD contract forbade FN from civilian sales)

    I thought the CM901 rifle was an interesting design, but it never seems to have taken off. What Colt sold on the civilian market was of a similar price as what FN was selling.

    Historically, there were good reasons why arms manufacturing was done in a limited number of state-owned arsenals. Too bad Springfield was so arrogant as to reject the T48.

  39. @95Theses
    Two relatively recent articles which show that, if anything, there is a decreasing risk of being murdered with an AR-15 with every passing year. And considering that current number of AR-15s in the hands of private citizens is around 15 million (a figure which is growing by a million every year since 2012), the media hype demanding stricter gun control laws is horsefeathers.

    20+ years of FBI data – “Assault Rifles” pose little threat to public safety
    2016, June 21 | Brandon

    … Since 1995 (the year after the 1994-2004 Assault Weapons Ban), the FBI has maintained a very detailed list of how many people have died at the hands of assault weapons and/or rifles, which are merged into the same group. Therefore, we can make a solid comparison on what gun violence looks like.

    In 2014, you are 67% less likely to be murdered by an assault weapon or rifle than you were in 1995 ...
    http://knowledgeglue.com/20-years-of-fbi-data-assault-rifles-pose-little-threat-to-public-safety/
     


    Everything you know about AR15s might be a lie
    2016, June 22 | Brandon

    This is a follow-up to our article reporting concerning 20+ years of FBI data, ‘assault rifle’ fatalities continue to decline.

    The purpose of this article, and our previous one are to highlight just the facts – That despite becoming the overwhelmingly most popular firearm in the United States, AR15s are by and large only used by civilians for recreational activities, and that a new assault weapons ban would be extraordinarily ineffective. This, based on 20+ years of data provided by the FBI and DOJ concerning the number of crimes committed with rifles including ones like the AR15 ...

    Percentage of Murders Involving Rifles & Assault Weapons
    http://knowledgeglue.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Ar15s-compared-to-murders.jpg

    http://knowledgeglue.com/just-how-many-ar15s-are-out-there/
     

    Lots of good links within these articles.

    Arguing with facts does not work.

    The wider public is prepared to dispense with at least three constitutional provisions in order to halt what it sees as an upwardly spiraling number of “suicide terrorist” mass shooters.

    The only argument that is going to work is fear, people have to be reasonably convinced that lawlessness, if not outright insurrection; will be the result of an Australia-style confiscation.

    2-26

  40. @95Theses
    Wait. You were hassled by the Feds? For what, fabricating your own firearm, or for owning the publication detailing how to fabricate?

    No, I was not hassled, not being a part of “Defense Distributed”.

    The owner of the website “Defense Distributed” (not me) was prosecuted for exporting munitions without a state department license for making his plans available to anyone on the internet.

    Knowledge is power…

    • Replies: @95Theses
    Whoops! For some reason where you wrote "It" my eyes read "I".

    I have since cleaned my spectacles. ツ
  41. @Joe Stalin
    One the most important things you can do to further US "Gun Culture" is to make sure your children have firearms when they leave home. That way, the spouse-to-be can't have VETO over guns in a household. You have a gun, period.

    Guns make fantastic wedding gifts, birthday gifts, Christmas presents. I've given .22LR weapons as birthday and wedding gifts.

    Christmas season is around the corner; the cheapest AR rifles go for around $450 (ATI Omni MAXX).

    One thing I thought interesting was when an Antifa group either “Redneck Revolt” or the “John Brown Gun Club”, was offering free CCW training to poor PeeOhCee. Local NRA affiliates don’t seem to do anything like this.

    While a large number of guns have been sold since 2008, many have been multiple sales, either of CCW handguns, or additional semi-autos that mostly sit in safes and occassionally punch paper.

    Re-norming use of the AR could come from using it in pro-social activity, but it has the problem of being undersized for hunting deer, and oversized for hunting squirrel and other small game. Its main hunting use is on coyote, and possibly on the largely unregulated feral swine. The only other “pro-social” activity I can think of would be as a “reserve deputy”, but IIRC these people can’t be armed for legal reasons.

    What has to disappear is open-carry demonstrations, particularly at political events. Bump firing is wasteful and insulting, as is the strange view that guns are a “talisman” against tyranny when most conservatives have slavishly supported the Pentagon.

    Additional thoughts: the NRA has been too tied to the Republican Party, when it needs to be accomodating support for firearms among socialists. It would also help to emphasize the leadership of military veterans in the NRA.

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    I heard about these two African-American Chicago gun organizations a few days ago on Dan Proft's WIND-AM radio show:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94lk7JoJK6c

    "Come Out Fighting" The 761st Gun Club of Chicago

    https://www.761stgunclub.com/

    "The goal of the 761st is we want to change the perception of the black gun owner within the black community," said Amoah. It's designed to be a meeting place for African Americans to share their knowledge of firearms and firearms law, while discussing issues that are most relevant to the community. Education is a main driving force behind why Amoah started the club. "What we've noticed is that people want to be involved with the firearm but they don't know what the first step is... We want to show them what the FOID card is, how you obtain one, and how you take the concealed carry class," said Amoah. It's a sentiment that members, including Vice President Costia Harris echo, "The 761st has helped me learn the laws of the land, taught me how to conceal carry, and just know the rules."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96y6v5U_jAA

    http://www.chicagogunsmatter.org/

    Fighting for gun rights in Chicago: Rhonda Ezell and Chicago Guns Matter

    "The goal of Chicago Guns Matter is to educate the black and urban communities on how to legally possess and obtain an IL concealed carry license, as well as educate them on the plaintiffs who've stood up for them and fought for their rights and are still fighting for their rights," Ezell told Guns.com.

    Both organizations affiliated with:

    National African American Gun Association

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6phoiBjc__0

    https://naaga.co/

    Most people need to trained to properly use a battle rifle or assault rifle. Low cost training can be had under the Project Appleseed program, run by volunteers to get people to aspire to "Rifleman" along with giving Americans a sense of their Revolutionary Heritage in the use of combat weapons. All you need is a semi-auto rifle 0f .22LR or more to participate. They use British Redcoat targets to mimic targets at 400 yards.

    https://appleseedinfo.org/

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCU8lei7s2g
  42. Last year, then California Governor Jerry Brown signed an act, increasing the ‘Long-Gun’ purchasing age from 17, to 21. https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article218986670.html

    This is an open violation of the Militia Act of 1916, which has been amended a few times. It is also another act of insurrection, rebellion, sedition, espionage, & arguably high treason.
    https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?path=/[email protected]/subtitleA/part1/chapter12&edition=prelim#targetText=(a)%20The%20militia%20of%20the,members%20of%20the%20National%20Guard.

    10 USC, Chapter 12, §246. Militia: composition and classes
    (a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.

    (b) The classes of the militia are—

    (1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and

    (2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

    • Replies: @216
    It could be wordsmithed that a 17-year old could be provisioned with firearms by family members, and thus does not impair militia service.

    I don't think its practicable to question the utility of raising ages to 21. The left is desperate to reduce the voting age to 16. Raising age like purchasing ATF, ages of consent, driving ages; may seem like further infantilization to some. But we need powerful facts on the ground that 16 year olds should not be trusted with the franchise, and indeed that the Constitution would ideally be amended to reset the voting age to 21 again.

    There's also some ancillary benefit by requiring parental consent to many of these activites if not 21, this re-empowers parents vis a vis (universities, mass media, peers), and might slightly rebuild paternal power.
  43. @APilgrim
    Last year, then California Governor Jerry Brown signed an act, increasing the 'Long-Gun' purchasing age from 17, to 21. https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article218986670.html

    This is an open violation of the Militia Act of 1916, which has been amended a few times. It is also another act of insurrection, rebellion, sedition, espionage, & arguably high treason.
    https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?path=/[email protected]/subtitleA/part1/chapter12&edition=prelim#targetText=(a)%20The%20militia%20of%20the,members%20of%20the%20National%20Guard.


    10 USC, Chapter 12, §246. Militia: composition and classes
    (a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.

    (b) The classes of the militia are—

    (1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and

    (2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

    It could be wordsmithed that a 17-year old could be provisioned with firearms by family members, and thus does not impair militia service.

    I don’t think its practicable to question the utility of raising ages to 21. The left is desperate to reduce the voting age to 16. Raising age like purchasing ATF, ages of consent, driving ages; may seem like further infantilization to some. But we need powerful facts on the ground that 16 year olds should not be trusted with the franchise, and indeed that the Constitution would ideally be amended to reset the voting age to 21 again.

    There’s also some ancillary benefit by requiring parental consent to many of these activites if not 21, this re-empowers parents vis a vis (universities, mass media, peers), and might slightly rebuild paternal power.

    • Replies: @APilgrim
    "Shall NOT be abridged'.

    There is no wiggle room.

    There is no parsing.

    There is no compromise.
  44. @216
    It could be wordsmithed that a 17-year old could be provisioned with firearms by family members, and thus does not impair militia service.

    I don't think its practicable to question the utility of raising ages to 21. The left is desperate to reduce the voting age to 16. Raising age like purchasing ATF, ages of consent, driving ages; may seem like further infantilization to some. But we need powerful facts on the ground that 16 year olds should not be trusted with the franchise, and indeed that the Constitution would ideally be amended to reset the voting age to 21 again.

    There's also some ancillary benefit by requiring parental consent to many of these activites if not 21, this re-empowers parents vis a vis (universities, mass media, peers), and might slightly rebuild paternal power.

    “Shall NOT be abridged’.

    There is no wiggle room.

    There is no parsing.

    There is no compromise.

    • Replies: @216

    § 21. Right to bear arms.
    The right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State shall not be questioned.
    § 22. Standing army; military subordinate to civil power.
    No standing army shall, in time of peace, be kept up without the consent of the Legislature, and the military shall in all cases and at all times be in strict subordination to the civil power.
     
    https://www.legis.state.pa.us/WU01/LI/LI/CT/HTM/00/00.001..HTM

    The standing army is already here.

    Each legislative session, the Texas Legislature INCREASES gun freedoms.
    Hopefully this statutory evolution will continue into the distant future.
     
    Whites are in a state of demographic collapse and rampant secularism. Non-whites are increasingly emboldened by the culture industry to engage in 3-1 hate ratio voting, and can be anti-white with impunity.

    How do you propose getting non-whites to either adopt Eurocentrism or to reset the demographics of Texas to ensure that it remains perma-red?
  45. Each legislative session, the Texas Legislature INCREASES gun freedoms.

    Hopefully this statutory evolution will continue into the distant future.

  46. @APilgrim
    "Shall NOT be abridged'.

    There is no wiggle room.

    There is no parsing.

    There is no compromise.

    § 21. Right to bear arms.
    The right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State shall not be questioned.
    § 22. Standing army; military subordinate to civil power.
    No standing army shall, in time of peace, be kept up without the consent of the Legislature, and the military shall in all cases and at all times be in strict subordination to the civil power.

    https://www.legis.state.pa.us/WU01/LI/LI/CT/HTM/00/00.001..HTM

    The standing army is already here.

    Each legislative session, the Texas Legislature INCREASES gun freedoms.
    Hopefully this statutory evolution will continue into the distant future.

    Whites are in a state of demographic collapse and rampant secularism. Non-whites are increasingly emboldened by the culture industry to engage in 3-1 hate ratio voting, and can be anti-white with impunity.

    How do you propose getting non-whites to either adopt Eurocentrism or to reset the demographics of Texas to ensure that it remains perma-red?

    • Replies: @APilgrim
    Apparently you did not watch India Prime Minister Modi in Houston today.
  47. @216
    One thing I thought interesting was when an Antifa group either "Redneck Revolt" or the "John Brown Gun Club", was offering free CCW training to poor PeeOhCee. Local NRA affiliates don't seem to do anything like this.

    While a large number of guns have been sold since 2008, many have been multiple sales, either of CCW handguns, or additional semi-autos that mostly sit in safes and occassionally punch paper.

    Re-norming use of the AR could come from using it in pro-social activity, but it has the problem of being undersized for hunting deer, and oversized for hunting squirrel and other small game. Its main hunting use is on coyote, and possibly on the largely unregulated feral swine. The only other "pro-social" activity I can think of would be as a "reserve deputy", but IIRC these people can't be armed for legal reasons.

    What has to disappear is open-carry demonstrations, particularly at political events. Bump firing is wasteful and insulting, as is the strange view that guns are a "talisman" against tyranny when most conservatives have slavishly supported the Pentagon.

    Additional thoughts: the NRA has been too tied to the Republican Party, when it needs to be accomodating support for firearms among socialists. It would also help to emphasize the leadership of military veterans in the NRA.

    I heard about these two African-American Chicago gun organizations a few days ago on Dan Proft’s WIND-AM radio show:

    “Come Out Fighting” The 761st Gun Club of Chicago

    https://www.761stgunclub.com/

    “The goal of the 761st is we want to change the perception of the black gun owner within the black community,” said Amoah. It’s designed to be a meeting place for African Americans to share their knowledge of firearms and firearms law, while discussing issues that are most relevant to the community. Education is a main driving force behind why Amoah started the club. “What we’ve noticed is that people want to be involved with the firearm but they don’t know what the first step is… We want to show them what the FOID card is, how you obtain one, and how you take the concealed carry class,” said Amoah. It’s a sentiment that members, including Vice President Costia Harris echo, “The 761st has helped me learn the laws of the land, taught me how to conceal carry, and just know the rules.”

    http://www.chicagogunsmatter.org/

    Fighting for gun rights in Chicago: Rhonda Ezell and Chicago Guns Matter

    “The goal of Chicago Guns Matter is to educate the black and urban communities on how to legally possess and obtain an IL concealed carry license, as well as educate them on the plaintiffs who’ve stood up for them and fought for their rights and are still fighting for their rights,” Ezell told Guns.com.

    Both organizations affiliated with:

    National African American Gun Association

    https://naaga.co/

    Most people need to trained to properly use a battle rifle or assault rifle. Low cost training can be had under the Project Appleseed program, run by volunteers to get people to aspire to “Rifleman” along with giving Americans a sense of their Revolutionary Heritage in the use of combat weapons. All you need is a semi-auto rifle 0f .22LR or more to participate. They use British Redcoat targets to mimic targets at 400 yards.

    https://appleseedinfo.org/

    • Agree: 216
  48. @216

    § 21. Right to bear arms.
    The right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State shall not be questioned.
    § 22. Standing army; military subordinate to civil power.
    No standing army shall, in time of peace, be kept up without the consent of the Legislature, and the military shall in all cases and at all times be in strict subordination to the civil power.
     
    https://www.legis.state.pa.us/WU01/LI/LI/CT/HTM/00/00.001..HTM

    The standing army is already here.

    Each legislative session, the Texas Legislature INCREASES gun freedoms.
    Hopefully this statutory evolution will continue into the distant future.
     
    Whites are in a state of demographic collapse and rampant secularism. Non-whites are increasingly emboldened by the culture industry to engage in 3-1 hate ratio voting, and can be anti-white with impunity.

    How do you propose getting non-whites to either adopt Eurocentrism or to reset the demographics of Texas to ensure that it remains perma-red?

    Apparently you did not watch India Prime Minister Modi in Houston today.

  49. @anarchyst
    No, I was not hassled, not being a part of "Defense Distributed".

    The owner of the website "Defense Distributed" (not me) was prosecuted for exporting munitions without a state department license for making his plans available to anyone on the internet.

    Knowledge is power...

    Whoops! For some reason where you wrote “It” my eyes read “I”.

    I have since cleaned my spectacles. ツ

  50. Those high numbers tell me the poll was biased to the Left by more Dems than Pubs being polled.
    Stricter laws will not stop somebody from getting a gun to kill. Voluntary surrender or mandatory confiscation will not reduce murders, the AR is used in a VERY small number of them. Ove 80% of killings are with HANDGUNS, NOT RIFLES.

  51. @anarchyst
    In order to "stay within the law", once a weapon is classified as a rifle, it cannot be converted to a pistol (legally).

    The way to "make" an AR-15 type pistol is to purchase a "lower receiver"--one that has never been used on a rifle. The "lower receiver" is the serialized component and is considered to be the "firearm" by the federal government. These can be easily purchased, and will be classified as a "receiver" - not a "rifle" or a "pistol" on ATF form 4473. All other parts are unrestricted and can easily be procured by mail order.

    "Defense Distributed" (not "Deterrence Distributed) is a website that distributes plans to make your own firearm without dealing with government agencies. It was hassled by the feds for a while, but they seem to have "backed off". You see, that pesky "First Amendment" to the Constitution is in the way...

    Yes, it is legal to fabricate your own firearm, at least from a federal government perspective. State and local restrictions may apply. The only caveat is that you cannot sell it to anyone.

    Sorry, the organization I meant to reference is “Deterrence Dispensed” https://searx.openpandora.org/?q=Deterrence%20Dispensed&categories=general&language=en-US

    DIY everything, including electromachining barrel rifling.

  52. @95Theses
    1) Hopefully, but I wouldn't count on it.

    2) And, of course, in addition to conversion kits you can already purchase fully assembled AR-15 pistols from Palmetto State Armory. ツ

    3) This one is somewhat dicey. Is it even legal to own a manual instructing you how to do this? Maybe by locale, but probably more than just frowned upon. Also, what is "Deterrence Distributed"? A concept or website?

    4) Ditto for your aforementioned parenthetical in 3, only more so.

    Sorry, the organization I meant to reference is “Deterrence Dispensed” https://searx.openpandora.org/?q=Deterrence%20Dispensed&categories=general&language=en-US

    DIY everything, including electromachining barrel rifling.

    AFA legality of construction info is concerned, there’s already gigs of gunsmithing manuals out there, and then there’s that pesky First Amendment (at least in America).

    AFA the legality of “armor piercing” ammo, TTBOMK rifle ammo is OK, pistol ammo is verboten. Which is predictably dumb as just about anything else with regards to firearms in the USA, considering there’s non-“armor piercing” ammunition that blows through a vest like it’s not even there.

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    The AP bullet ban stems from the development of soft body armor by Richard Davis (Second Chance) who was wounded by Black criminals in a pizza delivery robbery

    After serving in the U.S. Marine Corps, Richard Davis opened a pizzeria off 7 Mile in Detroit. One night, a delivery took him through a back alley and he was held up at gunpoint. Weeks later, another order came in for the same address (it was even the same order of two pepperoni and ham pizzas). This time, however, he came prepared with a .22 revolver hidden under the pies.

    The same robbers tried the same stunt, but he was ready. A gunfight broke out. Davis took one round to the back of the leg and another grazed his temple. He managed to get four shots off at his attackers, leaving two of his three attackers wounded. In the weeks he spent recovering, his pizzeria was burnt to the ground.

    https://www.wearethemighty.com/history/kevlar-vest-richard-davis?rebelltitem=1#rebelltitem1
     

    I've read he had a 'lingering prejudice' over this. Anyway, cops started wearing his body armor. Meanwhile, a firm called KTW was manufacturing a metal piercing round (cars need to be penetrated) that was also Teflon coated to aid penetration. Anti-gunner quickly seized upon this to create schism between gun owners and cops. Eventually, the NRA caved aka "compromised" by making bullets constructed if brass, copper, iron, steel, uranium, etc. and usable in handguns illegal. This meant that not only was typical handgun ammo affected, but so were ostensible rifle rounds if there was a pistol capable of using them. A firm started making a handgun firing .50 BMG rounds was talked to by 2A advocates and they took the gun off the market because it would cause BATF to make AP .50BMG rounds unavailable to gun owners. That's why cheap steel-core ChiCom 7.62x39mm AK/SKS rounds disappeared from the market.
  53. @Ash Williams
    Sorry, the organization I meant to reference is "Deterrence Dispensed" https://searx.openpandora.org/?q=Deterrence%20Dispensed&categories=general&language=en-US

    DIY everything, including electromachining barrel rifling.

    AFA legality of construction info is concerned, there's already gigs of gunsmithing manuals out there, and then there's that pesky First Amendment (at least in America).

    AFA the legality of "armor piercing" ammo, TTBOMK rifle ammo is OK, pistol ammo is verboten. Which is predictably dumb as just about anything else with regards to firearms in the USA, considering there's non-"armor piercing" ammunition that blows through a vest like it's not even there.

    The AP bullet ban stems from the development of soft body armor by Richard Davis (Second Chance) who was wounded by Black criminals in a pizza delivery robbery

    After serving in the U.S. Marine Corps, Richard Davis opened a pizzeria off 7 Mile in Detroit. One night, a delivery took him through a back alley and he was held up at gunpoint. Weeks later, another order came in for the same address (it was even the same order of two pepperoni and ham pizzas). This time, however, he came prepared with a .22 revolver hidden under the pies.

    The same robbers tried the same stunt, but he was ready. A gunfight broke out. Davis took one round to the back of the leg and another grazed his temple. He managed to get four shots off at his attackers, leaving two of his three attackers wounded. In the weeks he spent recovering, his pizzeria was burnt to the ground.

    https://www.wearethemighty.com/history/kevlar-vest-richard-davis?rebelltitem=1#rebelltitem1

    I’ve read he had a ‘lingering prejudice’ over this. Anyway, cops started wearing his body armor. Meanwhile, a firm called KTW was manufacturing a metal piercing round (cars need to be penetrated) that was also Teflon coated to aid penetration. Anti-gunner quickly seized upon this to create schism between gun owners and cops. Eventually, the NRA caved aka “compromised” by making bullets constructed if brass, copper, iron, steel, uranium, etc. and usable in handguns illegal. This meant that not only was typical handgun ammo affected, but so were ostensible rifle rounds if there was a pistol capable of using them. A firm started making a handgun firing .50 BMG rounds was talked to by 2A advocates and they took the gun off the market because it would cause BATF to make AP .50BMG rounds unavailable to gun owners. That’s why cheap steel-core ChiCom 7.62x39mm AK/SKS rounds disappeared from the market.

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