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In last week’s Power Hour, the Z-Man noted that one major reason Trump gets so little Establishment push back for tangling with China–despite the real dangers involved–is because our elites are legitimately worried about the Middle Kingdom. Crowding out top American colleges, stealing the intellectual property elites live off of, pricing them out of major cities–these are problems the Chinese pose to the cloud people a country like Mexico does not.

As luck would have it, Reuters-Ipsos commissioned a poll on perceptions of selected countries with a respondent pool of 10,466 Americans. It’s the same respondent pool for each country so even though the differences aren’t large, they’re directionally interesting. The question is binary–respondents are either “favorable” or “unfavorable”. The following graph shows the percentages by race and among elites (college-educated earning at least $100,000 annually) and dirt people (no college education, earning less than $100,000 annually) of all races:



Favorability is higher for Mexico than for China across all groups except for–shockingly!–Asians. The favorability gap between Mexico and China is nearly three times as large among elites as it is among dirt people, though. Z-Man, per usual, is on to something.

Parenthetically, American blacks are not some untapped source of immigration restrictionist sentiment–that’s a civic nationalist fantasy bearing no resemblance to reality. Surveys consistently reveal blacks to be as supportive of immigration as Hispanics are, if not more so.

 
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  1. How long would the Chinese in China tolerate just one of their elite engineering-computer science universities being completely colonized by HINDUS FROM INDIA?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  2. But Donald Trump is very enthusiastic about importing the GREATER CHINA CHINESE DEMOCRATIC PARTY VOTING BLOC FROM CHINA…..so the Chinese from China and their US born Chinese GENELINE can enthusiastically vote his WORKING CLASS NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICAN MALE VOTING BLOC INTO a White racial foreigner within the borders of post-white TOILET AMERICA………….

    BRING BACK THE 1888 CHINESE LEGAL IMMIGRANT EXCLUSION ACT…..!!!!

  3. Anonymous[392] • Disclaimer says:
    @War for Blair Mountain

    The answer is they wouldn’t of course.

    China is not PC and they know that Hindus are poison to civilized society.

    China is not playing the rule the world game where they need to placate all races and show moral superiority like white people are. So no need for diversity.

  4. Pacific Life is pulling its ads from Tucker Carlson’s show because of Tucker Carlson’s comments about immigrants making America dirtier…..

    Of course Tucker Carlson told the truth……THE WHITE LIBERAL GREEDY CHEATING CLASS IS OUR ENEMY….

    The UNITE THE RIGHT RALLY ORGANIZERS weeks before CHARLOTTESVILLE should have made the MONUMENTAL GREED of THE REVOLTING WHITE LIBERAL GREEDY CHEATING $$$$$$$$$ OLIGARCH CLASS the theme of their August 2017 protest in CHARLOTTESVILLE…….

  5. @Anonymous

    Remember the Chinese airport incident:Chinese official to Obama representative:”THIS IS CHINA….WE DO THINGS IN CHINA THE CHINESE WAY!!!!….NO FUCKING APOLOGIES!!!

    The Han People are perfectly fine in China……..BUT THEY DO NOT BELONG ON WORKING CLASS NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICAN LIVING AND BREEDING SPACE!!!!=CALIFORNIA……

    And the HIGHLY RACIALIZED HAN PEOPLE have already started the Greater China Colonization of Montanna and Idaho……..and you should see all the garbage they leave right in back of SEAN HANNITY’S Lloyd Neck Mansion on the beach by Target Rock=scarce LIVING AND BREEDING SPACE for the very endangered Piping Plover Avian Species……….TUCKER CARLSON IS RIGHT!!!

    • Replies: @Fidelios Automata
  6. Svigor says:

    Chinks are smart and sneaky enough to see the Jews coming, so that’s something.

    I’m having trouble coming up with reasons that a Chinese-dominated 21st century would be bad. It might give “our” (((hostile elite))) something to worry about and strive against and leave us TF alone. It would at least be a welcome distraction.

    On the other hand, the last cold war was disastrous for the European Race.

    Yellow overlords would at least have the decency to look alien.

  7. @Svigor

    Yellow overlords would at least have the decency to look alien.

    Indeed. Conversely, rule by the 2% in Chinese society would look and feel very alien to the Han so they won’t let that happen, either.

    • Replies: @Svigor
  8. @War for Blair Mountain

    Blair, you must have run up against this — one day I posted several comments on various Unz articles. It didn’t seem like that many and yet I received the message, “You’re posting too quickly! Slow down!” What, praytell, are their criteria?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  9. I’m shocked the favorable ratings for either are so high. What is favorable to regard about Mexico — a kleptocracy that only holds together because it dumps it excess troublesome population on the U.S. and China, a dystopian collectivist nightmare that brutally persecutes anyone who steps out of line in its own population?

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  10. @Anonymous

    Chinese don’t know anything like that about Hindoos. The Chinese are quite insular to begin with, and there is no Chinese diaspora in India nor an Indian diaspora in China to discover such things.

    As an example, a Chinese businessman I’ve had dealings with in India was surprised to discover that many Indians are vegetarians. He asked how vegetarians can even stay alive (note that this also suggests ignorance about the West, where vegetarianism is unfortunately a popular fad).

    He did however fairly quickly come to an interesting insight about India. He noted that the caste system made India much more stable and accepting of inequality, whereas in China he fears the envy and rage of the commoners.

  11. Anonymous[395] • Disclaimer says:

    Most Americans associate Mexico with “vacation” and “Mexican food”. The average American tourist goes to Cancun or Cabo, the amount of tourists into the “real Mexico” is much less.

    While knowledge of the cartel violence is common by Americans, said violence occurs outside of the tourist spots, and usually the cartels are disciplined enough to not carry out attacks in the US.

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    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  12. Black immigrants and their second generation offspring are now a substantial share of adult blacks, disproportionately so among college-educated blacks (and that started ~30 years ago in the late 1980s and early 90s), so why wouldn’t a group increasingly made up of immigrants, especially among its higher-earning, college-completing pool, support open borders and lots of immigration? It’s been working out for them. As for historical-American blacks, the women have a strong incentive to support importing more college-educated, marriage-minded men, so they do. Only noncollege but employed black men are really anti-immigrant in significant numbers and that’s maybe 25-30% of the total tops. If Trump gets to 20% black voting support, it will be drawn heavily from the black version of the white voting pool that put him over the line in 2016. The gender gap among blacks is massive.

  13. Morris Hilquit…..another Socialist Jewish Labor Leader who opposed importing Chinese Scab Labor into America….just like the other Jewish Socialist Labor Leader Sam Gompers…….

    Denis Kearney

    Samuel Gompers

    Morris Hilquit

    No more….no less RACIST!!!!!…then the Han People in China 2018….

  14. @The Practical Conservative

    Or it could be nothing more complicated than “YT doesn’t like it, so I do.”

  15. @Cloudbuster

    Most people translate feelings about Mexico to feelings about Mexicans, I suspect.

  16. Anon[395] • Disclaimer says:

    216

    O/T

    Boomers, thread

    FN polls highest (28%) in youth, but lowest (12%) with Boomers
    DLF is non-existent with youth (3%) and highest with Boomers (9%), who are also the only bloc with double digit support for the cuckservative party.

    The poll doesn’t break down by gender here, unless it can be found in the original French. I would guess that Macron’s strongest reservoir of support is Boomer women like his wife.

    Source poll

    http://www.commission-des-sondages.fr/notices/files/notices/2018/decembre/8792-eur-bva-pqr.pdf

    Euro elections are low turnout, so Boomers will have their higher turnout advantage amplified even further. Macron could pull off a “comeback victory”.

    Also further down the poll, even a majority of FN voters don’t support leaving the EU.

    FN and DLF could be a “low-high” model, complementing each others bases.

  17. @Thorfinnsson

    Reminds me of tales of the Japanese hearing about the Protocols and coming away impressed rather than morally horrified as Westerners hearing about it were supposed to expect them to be.

  18. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:

    Presumably you’d get similar results if you asked specifically about immigrants from the respective countries, but note that the poll asked about the countries, and Mexico is a geopolitical non-entity while China is America’s primary competitor. Those of you old enough can remember Japan bashing in the 80s. Hostility towards Japan then was greater than hostility towards China now, though perhaps that might change in the future if China becomes even stronger. This was despite there being few Japanese immigrants and students competing directly with American elites at the time. And while there some high profile commercial real estate transactions, like the purchase of Rockefeller Center at its peak, it was not like the purchase of urban residential real estate these days. The hostility derived from international competition, with fears that Japan would surpass us economically and politically. Elites’ status derives in part on the geopolitical status of their nation-states.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
  19. Anon[297] • Disclaimer says:

    Blacks infatuated with Mexico aren’t informed about the average Latino views on blacks, clearly.

    • Replies: @Rod1963
  20. Anon[297] • Disclaimer says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    Yes. Obviously a legally, overtly, officially sanctioned caste system is the cleverest system to soothe social jealousy (and revolt).

    It also, obviously, is a great system to ensure national economic productivity and wealth reach their full potential.

  21. Anonymous[392] • Disclaimer says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    That’s just a useless anecdote.

    And China and India have plenty of experience with each other do your point is again useless.

    • Replies: @Anon
  22. Anon[395] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tourism_in_China

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tourism_in_India

    I’d disagree about the Chinese having plenty of experience with the Indians. Out of 1.2 billion Indians, only 800K of them visited China in the most recent year of data. China doesn’t even crack the top 10 for visitors to India.

    The Himalayas are still a major barrier, no railroad has yet been built to connect both sides. Tibet was only connected to the railroad about 10 years ago.

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  23. @Anon

    Glad to see you here. You’re my empirical auxiliary!

  24. @Anon

    I’d disagree about the Chinese having plenty of experience with the Indians.

    There’s considerable overlap between the Chinese and Indian diasporas in Southeast Asia, especially in Malaysia, where the British brought in tons of Indians to work the fields.

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
  25. anon[340] • Disclaimer says:

    “and usually the cartels are disciplined enough to not carry out attacks in the US.”

    That’s an interesting observation. I’ve wondered when the tipping point might come when the cartels exercise blatant attacks within the US. When the Coalition of the Fringes takes over permanently and replaces the upstanding white guy law enforcement types at the FBI and ATF with members of their own tribe or when Hispanics hit some threshold within the population? Or never for some reason? Obama replaced that white guy librarian of congress with someone of his own racial group and let the FBI be run by a racist black supremacist. Perhaps we are at the tipping point now and the 2020s might have some interesting things in store.

    • Replies: @Anon
  26. @Sgt. Joe Friday

    Yeah, except YT likes it just fine, which is why the host believes Trump can’t get reelected. So your uncomplicated isn’t, it’s just noise.

  27. Anon[395] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    James Comey, upon becoming FBI director, complained that the agency was too white and too male.

    https://www.newsmax.com/US/fbi-james-comey-minorities-blacks/2015/02/24/id/626474/

    The FBI was apparently one of the few communities in America with favorable demographic trends.

    These agencies have a tendency to forbid those that used drugs, at least in the CIA leading to an excess of Mormons like McMuffin. Anti-drug provisions also seem to screen out the noble POC.

    In the South African experience, existing Silent/Boomer white civil servants were not fired en masse by the ANC. But GenX/Millenial white male South Africans have basically zero chance of working in the South African government. So the decline in competency was gradual rather than abrupt.

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  28. Rod1963 says:
    @Anon

    Here in Los Angeles county the Hispanics are actively ethnically cleansing Blacks from their neighborhoods and the blacks know it. This is not talked about publicly at all but various groups including the LAPD know about.

    From what I understand it is also happening in cities like Chicago and Oakland as well.

    How it works is like this: Mexicans move into a neighborhood with a lot of blacks in it, they realize blacks are a PITA and violent as hell. They contact a local Mexican gang or maybe a Cartel member and ask them to drive out the blacks. So they have one of their members kill some young bucks in broad daylight, maybe by shooting or running them over. The blacks get the message and move out.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  29. i think africans really do hate immigrants, it’s just that

    1) restricting legal immigration and booting illegals does help africans but they will never turn around and thank republicans for that by voting for them. not now, not ever

    2) africans resent europeans in a general way, more than they hate funny looking, funny speaking immigrants who are impinging on their turf. so they’ll take an immigration hit if it means it hurts the europeans too because god, they’d do anything to hurt whitey.

    anybody who’s been around africans for years, at the street level, knows they do in fact dislike immigrants. in particular the more exotic, odd looking immigrants from china, india, and places unknown. but even immigrants directly from africa. they definitely prefer the company of whitey over the furriners.

  30. to be fair trump has taken a good amount of criticism for engaging in battle with china.

    it’s just dwarfed by the 24 hours a day, 7 days a week orange man bad message that is droning out of every media outlet. so you don’t notice the “Drumpf is starting a trade war! What a moron!” news stories as much over the roar of the other stuff.

    particularly in financial news, they hate it. “Market uncertainty! Stupid Drumpf! Muh stocks!” and leftist concern trolls complain about US farmers getting the blowback, as if they EVER cared before about rural farmers who make america go. i seem to remember them, oh, bashing rural, republican voting farmers every chance they get. “Drumpf’s policies won’t help his voters herr derr!”

    “What is favorable to regard about Mexico”

    i think the average american really doesn’t know that much about mexico. they’re far from the border, and their experience with mexican culture is tacos, tequila, and pinatas. maybe mexicans boxing or playing soccer. that’s about it. they wear funny hats and speak spanish. let’s celebrate cinco de mayo with a corona.

    most americans don’t really how much mexico actually sucks, or what happens when a million mexicans show up in your city – it turns into mexico. then you know. too late.

    • Replies: @Anon
  31. Anon[395] • Disclaimer says:
    @prime noticer

    A lot of the leftist rhetoric is rather cynical, retconning the TPP as somehow a “containment” of China. Its peers, TiSA and TTIP have also vanished from discussion.

    There’s also poorly disguised criticism that Trump is engaging “unilaterally” on trade, while also being an “isolationist”. He’s also the first President to make public criticisms of the EU. Action against China would be better received with the imprimatur of multilateralism.

    Interestingly, despite the sabre rattling of John Bolton, the administration has been deferential to multilateralism wrt Venezuela. Hemispheric unity and participation should be a prerequisite to any military action.

    The NAFTA renegotiation now moves to ratification, and needs Dem votes to pass the House. Early chatter (Canada) about a renegotiation requiring the US to eliminate RTW states could be revived by the Dems. Would be an easy populist win for them. The Dems have nothing to lose by forcing them to negotiate again, even Trudeau could ride an anti-American wave to re-election next year.

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    • Replies: @LondonBob
  32. @Rod1963

    ‘…How it works is like this: Mexicans move into a neighborhood with a lot of blacks in it, they realize blacks are a PITA and violent as hell. They contact a local Mexican gang or maybe a Cartel member and ask them to drive out the blacks. So they have one of their members kill some young bucks in broad daylight, maybe by shooting or running them over. The blacks get the message and move out.’

    That’s a little romantic. How it works is that blacks rent, but Hispanics buy. So steadily, each neighborhood shifts from black renters to Hispanic owner-occupants.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  33. Lin says:
    @Anon

    “I’d disagree about the Chinese having plenty of experience with the Indians. Out of 1.2 billion Indians, only 800K of them visited China in the most recent year of data. China doesn’t even crack the top 10 for visitors to India…”

    I think you’re a bit uninformed; let me update for you:
    1)India’s 1962 defeat left a permanent butt scar on the hindus that aches like hell
    2)Hindus want Bharat recognized as an emerging ‘superpower’ and they and they’re extremely touchy when compared unfavourably with china.
    3)Through buddhism, Chinese do have some rudimental knowledge about India.
    ……
    You might not be aware of the fact that travel logs of ancient chinese Buddhist pilgrims to india are a major source of historical infos on then buddhist parts of india. Ancient Indians were more fond of fairy tales like Mahabharata then writing proper history records

  34. Corvinus says:
    @Svigor

    “I’m having trouble coming up with reasons that a Chinese-dominated 21st century would be bad.”

    Exactly. With CRISPR, the HBD/WN crowd will have a field day employing that technology to create a system of racialist endogamy. Any future born Christians within this particular be assuaged of the guilt since it will be genetically eliminated. The HBD/WN is essentially creating a cult that will simultaneously condemn people on the basis of having an inferior bloodline. Call it a Nordic version of ancient Hinduism.

  35. pyrrhus says:

    “Surveys consistently reveal blacks to be as supportive of immigration as Hispanics are, if not more so.”
    Nobody ever said that blacks, as a group, are intelligent..They are major losers from immigration.

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
  36. I have a favorable view of China. Why? Because China’s government is for China’s people. Not like the US government which has “deplorables” in its population to wipe out.
    China’s government’s approval ratings are in the high 80s. That said, I view China as an enemy of the US. It has about four times the US population and an approximately equal GDP at purchasing power parity. It is much more dangerous than the Japan of 1940.
    China’s population is higher quality that that of the US. Why? China is 94% Han Chinese. The US is now only 63% white.
    We in the US worry about illegal immigrants, not the real Yellow Peril.

  37. Anonymous[346] • Disclaimer says:
    @Fidelios Automata

    Blair, you must have run up against this — one day I posted several comments on various Unz articles. It didn’t seem like that many and yet I received the message, “You’re posting too quickly! Slow down!” What, praytell, are their criteria?

    I got this message too. And I didn’t have multiple posts, just one which I deleted and cut and pasted my reply with an additional video link. So it’s not the quantity of posts but two posts within a very a short duration. Sometimes I’ve gotten a message saying that It appears I have duplicate posts when I’ve posted only one comment and hit reply once. Just a quirk in the system.

  38. @Ray Huffman

    That’s true and a good point, and for that matter the diasporas are also connected in the Anglosphere. In fact I had some fairly good discussions with a Malaysian Indian about the Chinese Malaysians (he praised their “education”–even non-PC cultures have trouble with HBD).

    But I still stand by my original comment, especially if we’re talking about Indians in India and Chinese in China.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  39. LondonBob says:
    @Anonymous

    Japanese got interested in Hollywood and Sony bought Columbia pictures hence the hysteria. Non Jews must never have a say in how the world is presented.

  40. @pyrrhus

    They’re only major losers if you think the blacks want to work. Immigrants boost black political power. Take a look at the recent gubernatorial races in Georgia and Florida. Irresponsible black Democrats nearly won thanks to immigrants.

    What the blacks want to be is wards of the state. Black females, who vote in much larger numbers, have largely succeeded in that goal. Black men get fewer resources from the state and are often on the wrong end of it (prison), but they still get Section 8 and SNAP. Additional resources can be obtained through the women in their lives (whether their mothers or lovers).

    There aren’t enough defective whites for the bioleninist coalition to work for the blacks without immigration, which is why in the late 20th century Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan were able to win crushing majorities.

  41. LondonBob says:
    @Anon

    Venezuela isn’t a regional rival of Israel’s so that rules out military action.

  42. Anon[816] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    Nah, it’s just that the Chinese have their own monkeys, on their side of the Himalayas. If they feel like seeing one, they can go to Tibet, where there are at least indoor shitters.

    I can’t understand why some people get so attached to India. How are the Gyppos better than corpse washers of West Africa?

    On the other side, the Indians have a different understanding of the world “travel”. They are THE travelers, who’d go wherever there’s stuff to steal. In China, there’s little to steal, and decent prevention – so, no travelers there.

  43. Anonymous[217] • Disclaimer says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    You’re projecting your own values onto him. Maybe he wasn’t trying to be PC. Maybe he’s really admiring their respect for education.

    Also, you can have a high IQ and be uneducated. I doubt the Indian Malaysian guy you talked to looks up to people who have an IQ of 135 but decided to drop out of high school. I certainly don’t.

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
  44. @Anonymous

    He certainly wasn’t trying to be PC. PC culture is at a very nascent stage in India, and in Malaysia it hardly even exists.

    My point is that he’s ignorant of HBD. In other words the absence of political correctness is no guarantee that people understand HBD. But on the flip side another Indian I’m acquainted with attributes Parsi success to “genes” (that word was explicitly used).

    Also true that many Indians (and Chinese) have a cargo cult mentality about “education”.

  45. @Corvinus

    Or, everyone will give themselves genes of everything to have the physical advantages of tropical coloreds and the iq advantages of ice people. Thus future people will be like South Park predicted.

    Granted, before that happens, it’s more probable that many other developments occur. The Chinese will probably make everyone work long hours for less than half of a property, in which you and your progeny will dwell forever like Cubans in Havana nationalized buildings do. The elites might as well discover robotic modification first, as the Bezos robotdog hints at (as well as the increasing complexity of sex dolls). We might run out of oil, or we find so much that we can finally drop the bomb on Mecca. And the whites will be a minority by the time CRISPR and racialism can meld… so who knows, perhaps only blonde hair and blue eyes will survive… on tan bodies with squinty eyes and large butts and genitalia… hunting about in a Mad Max wasteland…

  46. @Audacious Epigone

    Most people just think taco taco burrito burrito Salma Hayek Tijuana Dora the Explorer Speedy Gonzalez et al.

    Hispanics in that sense are like Italians, who have endearing quirks that sometimes work against them. For example, bravado and machismo get Hispanics shot and killed, even kidnapped and tortured, for messing with the wrong man’s woman. However, we also find it endearing in small doses, specially when compared to examples of (usually Northern European liberal) useless cucks.

  47. Bill P says:
    @Anon

    Lots of East Indians in HK. I recall seeing some HK films that mocked East Indians in ways that would be called extremely racist here.

  48. @The Practical Conservative

    The immigrants entering the UAS, both legal and illegal, are pretty rarely college-educated, and not so sure about “marriage-minded”, either. So that’s no explanation for “American” black women finding the current massive immigration to be in their interest.

    Moreover, there’s no reason to think that Asian and white immigrants — likelier to be college-educated than the Mexican and other mestizo “Latinos” — do or will find “American” black women to be marriage material, or even dating material. Both Asian and white people already here in the USA generally do not, to say the least.

  49. anon[168] • Disclaimer says:

    “i seem to remember them, oh, bashing rural, republican voting farmers every chance they get.”

    When Bush was president, they made dozens of movies attacking the rural poor. The Wrong Turn franchise depicted them as inbred, cannibalistic monsters out to murder upstanding urban sophisticates; same with movies like the Texas Chainsaw Massacre remake, and Cabin Fever, etc. The Left are just vile, bad people.

  50. Svigor says:
    @Audacious Epigone

    I’ve said it many times: the Jews’ key advantage (vs. Europeans) is their ability to “pass.”

  51. @Colin Wright

    No, it’s more plain old violence and intimidation.

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