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Continuing on with the question of whether blacks understand questions about political orientation or if their offered responses approach randomness, the mean number of biological children for those aged at least 30 at the time of participation in the GSS. For contemporary relevance all responses are from 2000 onward:

childsrace

There is roughly a half-a-child gap between liberals and conservatives across each group. It is narrowest among blacks, just as views on ‘hot button’ cultural issues are.

The unsurprising conclusion to draw from this is that blacks are more likely than non-blacks to get confused about the general definitions of political adjectives and nouns like “liberal” and “conservative”, but that many of them do understand the distinctions, something that manifests in black outcomes by political orientation clearly not being randomly distributed.

Parenthetically, I realize many reading this think those descriptors are of little and perpetually declining utility, myself included. But we still understand what they’re supposed to mean.

GSS variables used: CHILDS, AGE(30-89), RACECEN1(1)(2)(4-10), HISPANIC(1)(2-50), YEAR(2000-2016)

 
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  1. From this graph should we conclude that the 6 black conservatives in America had 8.07 children?

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
    That's about what I was going to point out. Political confusion notwithstanding (and I'm sure there's a fair amount of that) the absolute numbers of black conservatives likely amount to a rounding error.

    Parenthetically, I'm also a tad suspicious of the reported birthrates among latinos. They seem mighty low in comparison with empirical observation. But I haven't looked at the source material and do not know how legitimate a sample this is--likely it contains relatively few illegals.

  2. Even in an all-white society – its doubtful to think that conservatives could simply outnumber liberals due to differential birthrates. When you consider the number of homos has stayed the same or maybe gone up – its because they reproduce via nontraditional methods. Same thing with left wingers. It’s more common to have shitlibs with conservative parents than vice versa.

  3. @Rich
    From this graph should we conclude that the 6 black conservatives in America had 8.07 children?

    That’s about what I was going to point out. Political confusion notwithstanding (and I’m sure there’s a fair amount of that) the absolute numbers of black conservatives likely amount to a rounding error.

    Parenthetically, I’m also a tad suspicious of the reported birthrates among latinos. They seem mighty low in comparison with empirical observation. But I haven’t looked at the source material and do not know how legitimate a sample this is–likely it contains relatively few illegals.

    • Replies: @gate666
    atleast 10 percent of blacks vote for conservatives.
  4. Hmmm. If you only have 2 kids and aren’t planning anymore, you’re not “conservative.”

    • Replies: @TheJester
    Yes, the conservative world within which conservatives aspire to create and live has everything to do with healthy family formation. This governs attitudes toward marriage, education, sexual practices, sexually deviant behaviors ... and the quality of life of future generations.
    , @MikeatMikedotMike
    An arbitrary and absolutist criteria. No one variable makes the determination. 2 out of three would be more sensible.

    Is a white woman that has 10 kids with a negro (or a black woman that has 5 kids with three different men) more conservative than a white woman that has two kids with a white man?

    I would say no.

  5. It would be interesting to see how the fertility is from 2017 and 2018. It has really dropped in the past few years.

    From 2017, rural whites are now below replacement. Urban whites are now at 1.6. Shockingly, Hispanics are now below replacement too.

    I find it interesting that white liberals are as high as 1.72. These are extremely liberal people, yet they manage to keep pumping out babies almost at replacement. It’s frustrating, though. Imagine if you could get every conservative couple to have just one more child.

    I see Hispanic fertility plummeting to the Spanish levels, to be honest. It is a very open sexual culture. The only reason Latin American countries have high birth rates is because you can’t terminate the pregnancies too easily. Even Mexico was below replacement in 2017, for the first time. With the availability of abortion and contraception in America, it’s going to drop.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    The GSS is a lagging indicator, though. We're really not looking at millennials at all here and the bulk of the responses are from boomers.
    , @anon

    The only reason Latin American countries have high birth rates is because you can’t terminate the pregnancies too easily.
     
    the resident jews and (((media))) didn't push for abortion in these countries?
  6. As an aside, the reason that I favour keeping abortion legal is because of how much it’s kept down the black population. Nearly 50% of black pregnancies are terminated. Imagine a black TFR of 4.8!! I predict that the Hispanic rate will be ramping up as it’s liberalized in California.

    Meanwhile, the white abortion rate has always been quite low. Let’s face it, when daddy’s little girl gets knocked up, she will terminate whether it’s legal or not.

    In Canada at least, the abortion rate is very high in non-white areas. For instance, in brampton, ON which is 70% south asian, 38% of pregnancies are terminated. In the rural white counties, it’s more like 8%. Immigrants are assimilated in fact, to ultra progressivism, which is demographic suicide. The only problem is that there is a nearly unlimited supply of aliens coming in.

    • Replies: @A Random Dude
    Potential solution: have an abortion clinic on every block in the ghetto and ban it everywhere else. Middle class white girls would be too scared to park their cars if they think they're going to get mugged or worse.
  7. @Mr McKenna
    That's about what I was going to point out. Political confusion notwithstanding (and I'm sure there's a fair amount of that) the absolute numbers of black conservatives likely amount to a rounding error.

    Parenthetically, I'm also a tad suspicious of the reported birthrates among latinos. They seem mighty low in comparison with empirical observation. But I haven't looked at the source material and do not know how legitimate a sample this is--likely it contains relatively few illegals.

    atleast 10 percent of blacks vote for conservatives.

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna

    atleast 10 percent of blacks vote for conservatives.
     
    This may well be true; I have no idea, personally. But the question at hand is: How many of them do it deliberately??
  8. @gate666
    atleast 10 percent of blacks vote for conservatives.

    atleast 10 percent of blacks vote for conservatives.

    This may well be true; I have no idea, personally. But the question at hand is: How many of them do it deliberately??

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute

    This may well be true; I have no idea, personally. But the question at hand is: How many of them do it deliberately??
     
    Since there’s no “social science” data on the subject, I’ll offer my own anecdotal observation from a lifetime in the Bantustan of Detriot. I’ve commented here (somewhere in Ron’s playhouse anyway) that I believe some 10-15% of negro males are innately conservative. By that I mean non-communist, hard workers, with enough intelligence to see how stupid and destructive the other 85% are, and angered that they must work to feed the parasites. Of them, however, a large plurality or perhaps the majority are still going to exhibit racial solidarity in voting CPUSA/Democrat. My wild ass guess is that 5% will vote for the RepugnantCon intentionally. However, given the massive illiteracy rate, which in Detroit is over 50%, I can easily imagine 10% overall checking the wrong box at the voting booth. So if there is good data showing 10% voting R, it may be as few as 1% doing it willfully.
  9. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    It would be interesting to see how the fertility is from 2017 and 2018. It has really dropped in the past few years.

    From 2017, rural whites are now below replacement. Urban whites are now at 1.6. Shockingly, Hispanics are now below replacement too.

    I find it interesting that white liberals are as high as 1.72. These are extremely liberal people, yet they manage to keep pumping out babies almost at replacement. It's frustrating, though. Imagine if you could get every conservative couple to have just one more child.

    I see Hispanic fertility plummeting to the Spanish levels, to be honest. It is a very open sexual culture. The only reason Latin American countries have high birth rates is because you can't terminate the pregnancies too easily. Even Mexico was below replacement in 2017, for the first time. With the availability of abortion and contraception in America, it's going to drop.

    The GSS is a lagging indicator, though. We’re really not looking at millennials at all here and the bulk of the responses are from boomers.

  10. @Mr McKenna

    atleast 10 percent of blacks vote for conservatives.
     
    This may well be true; I have no idea, personally. But the question at hand is: How many of them do it deliberately??

    This may well be true; I have no idea, personally. But the question at hand is: How many of them do it deliberately??

    Since there’s no “social science” data on the subject, I’ll offer my own anecdotal observation from a lifetime in the Bantustan of Detriot. I’ve commented here (somewhere in Ron’s playhouse anyway) that I believe some 10-15% of negro males are innately conservative. By that I mean non-communist, hard workers, with enough intelligence to see how stupid and destructive the other 85% are, and angered that they must work to feed the parasites. Of them, however, a large plurality or perhaps the majority are still going to exhibit racial solidarity in voting CPUSA/Democrat. My wild ass guess is that 5% will vote for the RepugnantCon intentionally. However, given the massive illiteracy rate, which in Detroit is over 50%, I can easily imagine 10% overall checking the wrong box at the voting booth. So if there is good data showing 10% voting R, it may be as few as 1% doing it willfully.

  11. So, Asians will disappear here as well as in East Asia.

    • Replies: @gate666
    they wont.
    , @Tyrion 2
    Only in East Asia if the dam they've built against mass immigration is burst. Otherwise their populations will drop until only those with breeding genes and memes survive. It'll then rebound.

    As to whether they have the will to maintain that dam, who knows? It probably depends on how well/badly the West's mad experiment in extreme migration plays out.

    East Asians would also always eventually disappear in the US, absent continual resupply from East Asia. I know plenty of mixed newborns in the UK, but none with two East Asian parents.

  12. More stupid and evil peepo [conserfs, specielly], subhumans in the world, while there is a world to be.

  13. You should use the average skin tone for the bar chart colors. Pink, brown, beige and … whatever south Asian and east Asian mixed is.

    ‘brown’ in mirror writing is almost ‘n-word’, which might be a useful mnemonic for the terrible racists on unz.com.

  14. @Twinkie
    So, Asians will disappear here as well as in East Asia.

    they wont.

  15. @Rosie
    Hmmm. If you only have 2 kids and aren't planning anymore, you're not "conservative."

    Yes, the conservative world within which conservatives aspire to create and live has everything to do with healthy family formation. This governs attitudes toward marriage, education, sexual practices, sexually deviant behaviors … and the quality of life of future generations.

    • Replies: @216
    Conservative sentiment is expressed most by retirees, presumably acting out of nostalgia and out of self-interest as the "ownership class" in society. Only a male retiree can have (marginal) fertility, and they require a female that is several decades younger. Divorced far outnumber widowers until we reach the 70s. How many divorced men at 65 are interested in marrying a woman at 30 and having no more than three children?

    To what extent is the average Boomer conservative personally invested in passing down their ideals to the next generation?

    From most of the avaliable data, not very. Millenials are quite leftist, and their Boomer parents are either tone deaf or flat broke in relation to their concerns. Student debt, and urban living, is not conductive to family formation, but Boomercons aren't exactly lining up to support mulitgenerational households like the immigrants out-hustling us.

    On a religious level, its galling that the leading edge of right-wing social conservatism among youth is found on TheRedPill and friends. Boomer ministers in the Catholic and Protestant churches have faced near-total repudiation on sexual norms. Indeed, the ministry is driven by a desire to actively replace its people rather than find its lost sheep.
  16. People living in developed countries who don’t want any particular identity they feel affinity with to fade away should start thinking of what vehicle that group should use to transmit baby-making norms to their children.

    So far, successful vehicles have tended to be traditional, religious, somewhat impoverishing and often coming with a second language.

    Examples of the above include Quiverful Christianity, traditional Sunni Islam, Ultra-Orthodox Judaism.

    These can “save” entire populations but sadly they also involve a rejection of the modern world that makes them unattractive and low status. Some sort of synthesis is needed as something entirely new would likely lack the legitimacy to take off, though maybe not.

    Ideas?

  17. @Twinkie
    So, Asians will disappear here as well as in East Asia.

    Only in East Asia if the dam they’ve built against mass immigration is burst. Otherwise their populations will drop until only those with breeding genes and memes survive. It’ll then rebound.

    As to whether they have the will to maintain that dam, who knows? It probably depends on how well/badly the West’s mad experiment in extreme migration plays out.

    East Asians would also always eventually disappear in the US, absent continual resupply from East Asia. I know plenty of mixed newborns in the UK, but none with two East Asian parents.

  18. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    As an aside, the reason that I favour keeping abortion legal is because of how much it's kept down the black population. Nearly 50% of black pregnancies are terminated. Imagine a black TFR of 4.8!! I predict that the Hispanic rate will be ramping up as it's liberalized in California.

    Meanwhile, the white abortion rate has always been quite low. Let's face it, when daddy's little girl gets knocked up, she will terminate whether it's legal or not.

    In Canada at least, the abortion rate is very high in non-white areas. For instance, in brampton, ON which is 70% south asian, 38% of pregnancies are terminated. In the rural white counties, it's more like 8%. Immigrants are assimilated in fact, to ultra progressivism, which is demographic suicide. The only problem is that there is a nearly unlimited supply of aliens coming in.

    Potential solution: have an abortion clinic on every block in the ghetto and ban it everywhere else. Middle class white girls would be too scared to park their cars if they think they’re going to get mugged or worse.

  19. @Rosie
    Hmmm. If you only have 2 kids and aren't planning anymore, you're not "conservative."

    An arbitrary and absolutist criteria. No one variable makes the determination. 2 out of three would be more sensible.

    Is a white woman that has 10 kids with a negro (or a black woman that has 5 kids with three different men) more conservative than a white woman that has two kids with a white man?

    I would say no.

    • Replies: @216
    Part of what we can infer from the data by anecdote is that white liberals either have two children, or none at all. Conservatives have a higher chance of having a third child than moderates. Middle class striving rarely allows a fourth child except by 'accident'.

    Blacks and hispanics have a higher tolerance of illegitimacy and children by multiple parents. Whites and Asians have a taboo against this. So while 25% of white births are illegitimate, part of the story is that often the secular couple doesn't get married because they can't afford an expensive party rather than just getting a courthouse wedding.

    Affinity with liberalism correlates with attendance of institutes of higher indoctrination, which delays fertility (possibly even more now with student debt). "Conservative blacks" are not conservative in an absolute sense, as they mostly Africans living in a European culture. But if a "black ethnostate" were to exist, they would be on the right-wing of that prospective country's spectrum.
  20. @MikeatMikedotMike
    An arbitrary and absolutist criteria. No one variable makes the determination. 2 out of three would be more sensible.

    Is a white woman that has 10 kids with a negro (or a black woman that has 5 kids with three different men) more conservative than a white woman that has two kids with a white man?

    I would say no.

    Part of what we can infer from the data by anecdote is that white liberals either have two children, or none at all. Conservatives have a higher chance of having a third child than moderates. Middle class striving rarely allows a fourth child except by ‘accident’.

    Blacks and hispanics have a higher tolerance of illegitimacy and children by multiple parents. Whites and Asians have a taboo against this. So while 25% of white births are illegitimate, part of the story is that often the secular couple doesn’t get married because they can’t afford an expensive party rather than just getting a courthouse wedding.

    Affinity with liberalism correlates with attendance of institutes of higher indoctrination, which delays fertility (possibly even more now with student debt). “Conservative blacks” are not conservative in an absolute sense, as they mostly Africans living in a European culture. But if a “black ethnostate” were to exist, they would be on the right-wing of that prospective country’s spectrum.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
    I am in agreement with this (I made a similar observation about blacks and their social conservatism in a previous AE post), but that's not how I interpreted Rosie's comment. She's more than welcome to elaborate on her meaning.
  21. I’m probably just noticing this but the colors you chose made me laugh

  22. @TheJester
    Yes, the conservative world within which conservatives aspire to create and live has everything to do with healthy family formation. This governs attitudes toward marriage, education, sexual practices, sexually deviant behaviors ... and the quality of life of future generations.

    Conservative sentiment is expressed most by retirees, presumably acting out of nostalgia and out of self-interest as the “ownership class” in society. Only a male retiree can have (marginal) fertility, and they require a female that is several decades younger. Divorced far outnumber widowers until we reach the 70s. How many divorced men at 65 are interested in marrying a woman at 30 and having no more than three children?

    To what extent is the average Boomer conservative personally invested in passing down their ideals to the next generation?

    From most of the avaliable data, not very. Millenials are quite leftist, and their Boomer parents are either tone deaf or flat broke in relation to their concerns. Student debt, and urban living, is not conductive to family formation, but Boomercons aren’t exactly lining up to support mulitgenerational households like the immigrants out-hustling us.

    On a religious level, its galling that the leading edge of right-wing social conservatism among youth is found on TheRedPill and friends. Boomer ministers in the Catholic and Protestant churches have faced near-total repudiation on sexual norms. Indeed, the ministry is driven by a desire to actively replace its people rather than find its lost sheep.

  23. @216
    Part of what we can infer from the data by anecdote is that white liberals either have two children, or none at all. Conservatives have a higher chance of having a third child than moderates. Middle class striving rarely allows a fourth child except by 'accident'.

    Blacks and hispanics have a higher tolerance of illegitimacy and children by multiple parents. Whites and Asians have a taboo against this. So while 25% of white births are illegitimate, part of the story is that often the secular couple doesn't get married because they can't afford an expensive party rather than just getting a courthouse wedding.

    Affinity with liberalism correlates with attendance of institutes of higher indoctrination, which delays fertility (possibly even more now with student debt). "Conservative blacks" are not conservative in an absolute sense, as they mostly Africans living in a European culture. But if a "black ethnostate" were to exist, they would be on the right-wing of that prospective country's spectrum.

    I am in agreement with this (I made a similar observation about blacks and their social conservatism in a previous AE post), but that’s not how I interpreted Rosie’s comment. She’s more than welcome to elaborate on her meaning.

  24. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    It would be interesting to see how the fertility is from 2017 and 2018. It has really dropped in the past few years.

    From 2017, rural whites are now below replacement. Urban whites are now at 1.6. Shockingly, Hispanics are now below replacement too.

    I find it interesting that white liberals are as high as 1.72. These are extremely liberal people, yet they manage to keep pumping out babies almost at replacement. It's frustrating, though. Imagine if you could get every conservative couple to have just one more child.

    I see Hispanic fertility plummeting to the Spanish levels, to be honest. It is a very open sexual culture. The only reason Latin American countries have high birth rates is because you can't terminate the pregnancies too easily. Even Mexico was below replacement in 2017, for the first time. With the availability of abortion and contraception in America, it's going to drop.

    The only reason Latin American countries have high birth rates is because you can’t terminate the pregnancies too easily.

    the resident jews and (((media))) didn’t push for abortion in these countries?

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