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We continue to progress together. There is of course still much work to do and we mustn’t rest until the first, second, and third bars are at 100%, but we must also celebrate victories where we can:

Ah, what’s that? The fourth bar? No, it cannot be permitted to reach 100%. For example:

And the last bar looks like–xenophilia! Or maybe first-gens are just a little more resilient than natives are.

This is another new item the survey rolled out in 2018. White privilege gets better and better by the day!

GSS variables used: THREATEN(6), RACECEN1(1)(2)(4-10), HISPANIC(1)(2-50)

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  1. What constitutes harassment here? Is it a dispute over a lottery ticket, or some guy bothering you because he thinks you slashed his tires? Is it racial or political? Is it serious, or just a little jab that maybe went to far? It seems like it could be very open to interpretation. A white SJW might say they are victims of micro-agressions every day, for instance.

    I can think of one time where I have been legitimately racially harassed. I was walking down the sidewalk at night, and some African American youths were walking down the other side. There were six of them. They started yelling “ayo, fucking crackas”. Ironically, only 2 of the 4 in our group were white. I guess we all be crackas to them.

    I think the white numbers are lower because of a) the number of whites that live near blacks and, to a lesser extent, Hispanics. b) white conservatives are probably harassed by shithead liberals all the time and c) white liberals probably over-report their “experiences” of harassment.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  2. Twinkie says:

    Or maybe first-gens are just a little more resilient than natives are.

    There are, as you seem well-aware, methodological problems with self-reporting of an ill-defined phenomenon such as “harassment.” At minimum, this result may be more indicative of how different groups perceive what constitutes harassment more than actual manifestations of animus, to which they are subjected.

  3. 216 says:

    Harassment functions as a sort of “magic” that turns otherwise legal free speech into potentially criminalized conduct. Incitement is another phrase, both of which have the benefit of existing in the lawbooks.

    Is there a gender breakdown here?

    Surprising to see such real talk from a jewish NYT writer, but wasn’t she the one that boasted about replacing us?

    Such a boycott would take advantage of one of the central asymmetries in American life. Rural voters, who tend to be conservative, have disproportionate political power; it’s why Trump, who lost the popular vote, is president in the first place. But cosmopolitan progressives have disproportionate economic and cultural power, which is why we have the faintly absurd phenomenon of woke capitalism.

    This more than anything is why we need self-determination. It’s flatly immoral that we can be dictated to in this fashion, told that we face economic marginalization for not being liberal. (Note: A democrat has not won a majority of white males since 1964, thus all Dem presidents are IMHO illegitimate)

    • Replies: @Feryl
    , @Audacious Epigone
  4. White privilege (of being harassed)!

  5. This bar graph may be more a measure of how sensitive the members of each of these groups are. Yeah, it’s very subjective, as has already been mentioned here. Note that males and females are not broken out. That very well explains the lower number on that white bar, as the white females of the feminist persuasion are likely the ones that FEEL harrassed the most, though there are many that I would not harrass with my a ten-foot pole.

    Now, if you were to broaden the definition of “by other people” a bit, then we are all harrassed, weekly or bi-weekly, by the IRS, and often other parts of the Feral Beast of government that we have allowed to ruin our lives. This is why April is indeed the cruelest month.

    • Agree: Arclight
    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
  6. This really just looks like an issue that is mainly about native-born Americans and foreigners disagree on what the word “harassment” means. I do find that Americans are A LOT MORE sensitive to the idea of others mistreat them compared to foreigners like me. So this might indeed be the most decisive factor here.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  7. What’s the n for Asians? You’d want at least 500 for each racial group as a minimum threshold for statistical robustness. For very small groups like Asians, if the total sample size is barely over 1500, then the n will likely be quite low; thereby lowering the accuracy of the results.

  8. @Thulean Friend

    Right. This is a legitimate issue. Moreover “Asian” isn’t a race. NE Asians, South Asians and SE Asians are at least three separate races.

    This is a reason why such division is crucial:

  9. Feryl says:

    It is pretty funny when the “solution” to Crisis Level Middle America is to further de-populate (!) these regions by encouraging residents to move to a region where things are “happening”. So, are more “good” jobs and affordable housing going to spontaneously appear in Bos-Wash and the West Coast, whenever middle Americans decide to move there? This idea is all the more absurd when the elites who recommend it somehow conveniently leave out the fact that the underclass in every region has been growing for 40 years, due to tax policy, immigration policy, off-shoring, et al. Back when Americans were actually prosperous, all regions and classes did fairly well; in the new Gilded Age, various mega-zips (who got wealthy by stabbing everyone else in the back) act as if merely being in the vicinity of a “trendy” or “growing” area somehow confers non-rich people with some sort of mystical aura of sexy coolness, no matter how shitty your wages/salaries are, or how high your bills and debt levels are.

    Strange how areas basically lacking in super-zips (e.g., most of the South, Midwest, and interior West) are thought to be moribund, backward, etc., when in reality poverty and dysfunction are the rule throughout all regions of America. The denizens of the Super-zips (and the wannabe-residents) are basically just chest-thumping about how awesome they are for their proximity to the Masters of the Universe, rather than showing any awareness of how corrupt and decaying America as a whole is. After all, they still would rather drink anti-freeze than admit that the 1950’s were a much better decade for America, civically, politically, and economically, than the Obama era was.

    Agnostic says that anti-Trumpers in 2016 basically hallucinated that psycho rednecks from the middle of nowhere got Trump elected, when in reality Trump did much better with “ethnic”(but not Jewish) white Americans of the large metro areas of the Northeast and Midwest than a typical Republican would have.

    • Replies: @216
  10. Feryl says:

    The foreign born number, I think, can be ascribed to immigrants being unusually head-strong/bold/confident etc. people. After all, it takes guts to some extent to leave your countrymen and homeland behind. Then again, immigrants (and their immediate descendants) are also heavily involved in crime rings and mass murders (relative to their proportion of the population, and in comparison to non-black American natives)

    Immigrants being simultaneously confident and prone to anti-social behavior is good news for employers but awful news for natives (who get their jobs and houses taken, their wages reduced, and are subjected to more organized crime and hot-headed killing rampages of poor random Americans, some gratitude, huh?. The Gilded Age and Progressive Era also were known for their teeming masses of densely packed cheap urban labor, as well as “ethnic” foreigner spear-headed crime rings and spates of civic/political unrest (whereas this sort of thing petered out in the New Deal era, went back up slightly in the Great Society era, than came roaring back in the Reagan/Clinton neo-lib era.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    , @Twinkie
  11. 216 says:

    Business operates on a quarterly reporting cycle, at worst. And rarely plans far into the future. In terms of raising the native fertility of responsible middle class families, this requires far too much stasis for companies operating on “Jeff Bezos Day 1”.

    I’m not a techbro, I don’t grasp the precise reasons why everything is concentrated in the overpriced and seismically unstable Bay Area. Wildly overpriced housing would seem to be a strong incentive to expand elsewhere. Hong Kong style “new towns” are unlikely to ever be built in this country.

    Left-liberals, and the further left, tend to mock the bootstraps mentality of Conservadads. But they ruthlessly apply it to people that attack outsourcing and immigration, blaming them for “hating education”.

    One thing that I notice a generation gap, and a slight class gap, is in regards to the “Murika speak English” claim. This is a cause that died with the Silent generation. The average middle class striver considers it embarassing that Europeans know three languages, and their children don’t. White monolinguals are easy to deride as lazy, but attacking immigrants with poor English is always going to play out as “punching down”.

    • Replies: @Feryl
  12. Feryl says:

    I also sense that feeling “threatened” becomes more common the further we drift away from the Great Compression of 1930-1980, which natives understand but immigrants don’t (immigrants don’t know jack shit about this country’s golden age) Even in the 70’s, most acts of violence/disorder seemed rather naive and reckless, as opposed to being the product of any sort of long-term campaign of terrorism or alienation (although anger at the Vietnam war did produce some terrorism circa 1970, although relatively few people died and most Americans were very disapproving of violent protest). “Bad actors” causing trouble out of simmering alienation and deliberate rage becomes more common in a era of widespread inequality and corruption; workplace shootings and road rage were unheard of in the 50’s and even 60’s, yet by the 1990’s were widely discussed topics.

    Both white Americans and black Americans remember a time when Americans were (relatively) upbeat, creative, and free; these feelings were common in the late 1930’s-1960’s; they diminished in the 1970’s-1990’s, and since 2000 Americans have become an extremely ornery and fractious people, with younger generations frequently not getting married and suicide rates rising (and partisan grid-lock reaching levels not seen since the first Gilded Age). Sure, murder was a worse problem in the 70’s and 80’s, but ya know, people actually had fun back then. Most violence at that time was caused by hedonistic and goofy youngsters. Whereas today’s pop and youth culture is uniformly joyless, what with Millennials and Gen Z being too busy sighing about college debt (and really, the overall failure of the system) to cause that much trouble.

  13. Feryl says:

    “I’m not a techbro, I don’t grasp the precise reasons why everything is concentrated in the overpriced and seismically unstable Bay Area. Wildly overpriced housing would seem to be a strong incentive to expand elsewhere. Hong Kong style “new towns” are unlikely to ever be built in this country.”

    I’ve always assumed that the West Coast, during the cold war, was the tech hub of Pax Americana, with Po Southern White Boy’s Bodies providing the cannon fodder. During the Clinton era, however, the Cold War ended and it just so happened that the West Coast is the region closest to Asia……And……..Asia is where we would develop a lot of expanded political and economic ties in the 1990’s, particularly China. Thus, the West Coast tech hub would transition from serving America’s workforce (WRT employing natives and manufacturing in the US) and military to serving the tech needs of a quickly globalizing corporate culture/political culture. And given that China would now be doing much of the manufacturing (and Asia as a whole would send many workers to America), the tech giants of course found it convenient to be on the West Coast.

    WRT concentration in the Bay Area, in Gilded Ages “everyone” wants to join the yuppie elite party. But diffusing that party over too many regions would be too……Democratic, egalitarian. The 1930’s-1960’s were about diffusing political and economic power across as many regions as possible, not about arrogant dickheads patronizing the hinterlands that “their jobs” were gone and never coming back. Things gradually shifted to elitist norms of concentrated power (and too many hands grabbing for it) from 1970-2000, bringing us the current era which repudiates everything about the modest New Deal era.

    “Business operates on a quarterly reporting cycle, at worst. And rarely plans far into the future. In terms of raising the native fertility of responsible middle class families, this requires far too much stasis for companies operating on “Jeff Bezos Day 1”.

    People who should’ve known better began to claim, in the 1970’s, that since the government was “so terrible” at tying it’s own shoes, we needed to “unleash” the forces of The Market and it’s “rational” actors in order to bring about a much more prosperous society. Of course, once the de-regulation commenced in the 80’s, practially over-night we began to see the re-emergence of finance industry personnel using people’s money and bank accounts like a drunken frat boy in Vegas. The Savings and Loan debacle was the most famous, but there were other, more minor incidents of funds and banks collapsing in the wake of (unsupervised by the government) malfeasance by yuppie crooks in the earlier 80’s.

    ” Almost right out of the gate, the deregulation agenda of the Reaganites nearly blew up one of the largest banks in the nation — Continental Illinois, in 1982. In the first clear case of “too big to fail,” it was rescued by the FDIC, a federal government agency. That was a fairly small-scale rescuer needed to jump on the grenade.”

    The Savings and Loan fiasco was so embarrassing that our leaders drafted new legislation to stop any future debacles, but ultimately, the die was cast: the government was no longer to effectively “say no” to private sector excess, as can be discerned by the fact that America is now riddled with booms and bust, and predatory lending practices. Back in the 30’s-70’s, government regulators wielded so much power to clamp down on abusive industry practices that many companies essentially didn’t even bother to try anything overly exploitative. This is sci-fi to Millennials like me, who just assume that the private sector either pays off the government to get away with fraud and abuse, or in some cases basically acts like the government might as well not even exist. Which we saw with the 2008 crash, which elicited less accountability than the S&L scandal did in the 1980’s, even though the 2008 crash was much worse.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
  14. @Feryl

    but immigrants don’t

    Unfortunately that seems to be the case. Immigrants just assume (and are lied to) that the country has always been this way – un-affordable housing, shameless materialism, cramped living spaces, social disharmony. Immigrants, especially sub-continentals, are incapable of self-examination, so they’re unable to see how they are destroying the country.

    Around the “vibrant” people… things are just so up-tight. People can’t connect, and don’t really get along. Somebody is always getting offended. Inter-ethnic squabbles are common, even among the people born here. Just a terrible social environment.

    I’m glad that I’m white though. Because at least I get to experience some of the “old ways”. I have a benchmark to compare things to. Even just going to a boomer rock concert. Things are so harmonious and easy going. The “old ways” still exist, but are now almost entirely being passed down by memory… I hope whites can hold onto them. We are doing surprisingly well thus far, and nothing hurts coloured people more than whites doing their own thing. They crave our attention.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  15. Twinkie says:

    they diminished in the 1970’s-1990’s

    This is an understatement. In the late 1960’s and 70’s, there was much political radicalism, agitation, and even violence. Look up Kent State shootings and try to imagine that happening today. And by the Carter presidency there was stagflation domestically and shocks to American prestige overseas such as the Iran hostage crisis and the debacle of the Operation Eagle Claw.

    Similarly, younger people today might not look upon the Reagan years fondly, but those of us who remember “It’s morning in American again” know that the increased confidence of the Reagan years was in stark contrast to the oil shocks, domestic political strife, and impotence overseas of the previous decade.

    • Replies: @Feryl
    , @Feryl
  16. Twinkie says:

    Then again, immigrants (and their immediate descendants) are also heavily involved in crime rings and mass murders (relative to their proportion of the population, and in comparison to non-black American natives)

    Untrue, esp. for Asian immigrants.

    Look at table 1.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    , @Feryl
  17. The Syosset Diner Robbery…Memorial Day Weekend 1982….mass rape of White Women by Jamaican Legal Immigrants….My late cousin one of the victims…..

  18. BLACK LIVES MATTER harrasing White College Students in University Libraries…

    BACK LIVES MATTER harrasing White People in restaurants….

    In both cases….it was open aggravated racial harassment of White Americans……Civil Rights violation of White Americans…..

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  19. @Twinkie

    NE Asian ones. Cambodians, Laotians, Hmongs etc are highly violent both in their home countries and in the diaspora. Filipinos are extremely violent in the Philippines but their diaspora in America seem to be OK.

  20. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    I think the main issue here is that I don’t think assimilation / tribe merging works when phenotypical differences are too large. Within a race and maybe even a megarace (e.g. Europeans and Middle Easterners are both Caucasoids) assimilation is at least possible though it may or may not happen due to other reasons such as religion and politics. However when people look too different from each other it is just impossible.

    I do believe that we need a few multiracial societies because we still need international cooperation on finance, science, etc. These multiracial city states should be hosted by us because we will keep almost all blacks out on the grounds that they are individually harmful to the city state while whites & Middle Easterners etc tend to allow them in on the grounds of abstract principles such as humanism or Muslim solidarity.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  21. Asian race hate crimes against NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICANS:

    Andrew Yang:” I am going to massively increase the H1B…..L1B ASIAN LEGAL IMMIGRANT PROGRAM”….

    I consider this to be a violent race hate crime against the NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICAN WORKING CLASS….

    ANDREW YANG is a racist mother fucker…….

  22. @Peripatetic Commenter

    What’s the distance between “tie them to a tree” and “we were better off when Whites ran things”?

    How soon before the blacks of South Africa vote themselves out of power for their own benefit?  Is it even possible?

  23. @Feryl

    Which we saw with the 2008 crash, which elicited less accountability than the S&L scandal did in the 1980’s, even though the 2008 crash was much worse.

    The 2008 crash was deemed the “Minority Mortgage Meltdown” by Steve Sailer.  Government couldn’t control the problem or put the blame on bankers because it CREATED the problem.  It did this via the promotion of loans to un-creditworthy borrowers and also the promotion (through regulator approval and disapproval of mergers) of prudent bank managers being ousted and replaced by ones who would lend to the “underserved minorities”.

    We got no cleanup after 2008 because it would have been “racist” to so much as recognize the problem, let alone re-instate lending standards to prevent a repeat.

  24. @EastKekistani

    The violence of Asians against NATIVE BORN WHITE WORKING CLASS AMERICANS…..

    is that they can come to America and breed on OUR LIVING AND BREEDING SPACE…..

    and then Asian Legal Immigrants and their US born Asian GENELINE…..

    get to LEGALLY vote the NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICAN WORKING CLASS into a White Racial Minority within the borders of America….

    • Replies: @Peripatetic Commenter
  25. @War for Blair Mountain

    I have no doubt that at some stage China will declare that it needs to protect the Chinese diaspora.

  26. If NYS Senator (((JACOB JAVITTS))) stated his demographically murderous intent as to why he pushed for, and smiled during the signing 1965 NONWHITE LEGAL IMMIGRANT INCREASE ACT….at the Oct 1965 signing of the 1965 NONWHITE LEGAL IMMIGRANT INCREASE ACT…..

    1)There would have been a mass revolt against the OCT 1965 NYC signing of THE 1965 NONWHITE LEGAL IMMIGRANT INCREASE ACT………….

    followed by a nuclear strike on Israel in 1967 for the 1967 slaughter of the NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICAN CHRISTIAN TEENAGER CREW of the USS LIBERTY by Jacob JAVITT’S JEW ONLY ISRAEL….

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  27. The Obama Administration was an 8 year race hate crime….


  28. @Achmed E. Newman

    It would also be nice if the underlying data source were credited on the graphic. That would make it a tad more credible when and if reproduced online. Free advice for AE!

  29. @Mr. Rational

    How soon before the blacks of South Africa vote themselves out of power for their own benefit? Is it even possible?

    It’s a very good question. Consider the wrecked negro cities in America which have finally voted in white mayors though–Detroit even! Took them four decades to come ’round, but still. Africans are Africans, wherever they may be.

    Here’s the Atlantic magazine complaining about this new phenomenon:

    The White Men’s Club Leading America’s Largest Cities

    The diversity of the country’s urban centers is not reflected in City Hall: In the 15 biggest U.S. cities, all but three mayors are white men, and none are women.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  30. @Peripatetic Commenter

    South Africa’s Cyril Ramaphosa posed a rather curious solution on the campaign trail — tying them to trees and begging them not to emigrate.

    “Begging” — that’s a good one! Bullets and machetes can be very persuasive.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
  31. @Mr McKenna

    Bullets and machetes have problems, though:  they are really only good for getting rid of people.  If you use them on someone, they’re probably not going to be able to work for you anymore period.  If you threaten to use them on someone, they’ll be highly motivated to get a long way away from you rather than work for you.

    If the Africans want South Africa to give them the benefits of a functional country again, force against Whitey is not going to do the job.  They are not competent to understand what the supervisors need to do (because they can’t do it themselves) and can’t force it.  All they can do is put Whitey back in charge and beg forgiveness.

  32. They are vi0lently triggered by images of healthy young blue-eyed White Christian Families…..

  33. @Mr. Rational

    Not possible. Their inherent lack of self awareness combined with their high self regard will prevent it.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
  34. Feryl says:

    I should’ve said that inegalitarian eras bring lots of immigrants into society, and that includes importing ethnic criminal syndicates (e.g., the Mafia and MS-13 becoming problems in America are both products of Gilded Ages which feature high immigration levels). At the end of the day, Americans are good enough at producing crime that we don’t need to import competing crime rings. In addition, the presence of too many new-comers creates chaos and alienation, end result that the mid-late period of Gilded Ages features a lot of tension within and between different classes and ethnic groups. Alright, so American Boomers (whites and blacks) ruined the livability of a lot of cities in the 1970’s. So, would letting in over 10 million immigrants back in the 70’s made things any better? Of course not. But after Reagan passed his 1986 amnesty, and Bush expanded work Visas and refugee programs, we could be rest assured that crime and terrorism are jobs that foreigners could do, too.

    BTW, immigrants and their immediate descendants are extremely likely to commit bombings and mass shootings, relative to their % of the population; VDare calls it “immigrant mass murder syndrome”. A Chinese guy severed a head and cannibalized a poor Canadian white guy on a bus about 10 years ago (a single murder, yes, but one commited with obvious intent to terrorize onlookers; feeling alienated from the “host” country often leads to anger and psychotic breaks. Italian and Jewish terrorism in the 1910’s and early 20’s spurred immigration stoppages, because WASPs, Cavaliers, and Scots-Irish were sick and tired of their culture being attacked by ungrateful new-comers.

  35. Feryl says:

    Latin and Asian immigrants were imported to be cheap labor for various tasks, while prole whites and blacks end up on drugs and on the dole. Here’s the thing: these immigrant groups mostly arrived in the late 1980’s-present, and haven’t been here long enough to absorb the dystopian changes that have occurred in white and black America (which is to say, traditional America) over the last 40 years. I guarantee that in the absence of restoration of wholesome egalitarian policies, Mexicans and Asians whose grandparents were born in 1975 are going to be in pretty rough shape, too.

  36. Feryl says:

    Dude, a cop killing a couple kids on an early 1970’s college campus wasn’t that disturbing, in terms of numbers of victims and what motivated the killer. Charles Whitman (who had a severe brain abnormality) stood out in the 1960’s because of how unusual mass shootings were in the New Deal (1930-1960) and Great Society (1960-1980) era. The San Ysidro McDonald’s massacre (1984) was an early taste of the mass shootings (school shootings, “going postal”) that would become a topic of heated debate (or resigned fatalism) in the 1990’s.

    1960’s: 3
    1970’s: 11
    1980’s: 18
    1990’s: 24
    2000’s: 30
    2010’s: 93 (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!), with some evidently left off the list (!!)

    Mass murder happens largely due to alienation cycles, which track with equality cycles. America’s Golden Age was really the 1930’s-1970’s, when alienation was at a low point and most people either felt comfortable, or at least believed that with enough hard work and honesty they’d end up in a better place. This still was true to some extent in the 1980’s and 1990’s, but the catastrophic mistakes made by our “leaders” in the Bush/Obama/Trump era, +the massive growth in inequality (Gilded Age 2.0), have inspired widespread alienation and disgust, leading to outpouring of rage by disgruntled citizens. It also looks like Obama can take the prize of being one of this country’s worst presidents, given his complete lack of interest in tamping down on racial/regional/political tensions.

    Reagan was not popular until the mid-80’s economic boom (really, look it up: his approval was mediocre until late 1983), even though crime, abortion, and drinking declined (to his credit) in 1981-1984. But Reagan’s econ. policies would lead us down the path of off-shoring, gigantic deficits, and endless military pork and occupations (although these things would not reach alarming levels until GW Bush’s ignominious regime). Reagan’s profile has been improved since the early 2000’s by virtue of how terrible America’s Boomer presidents have been. It really doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to bitch about the 60’s, 70’s, or 80’s, when the 2000’s and 2010’s have been so politically and economically catastrophic.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  37. Feryl says:

    Street crime and interpersonal violence (distinct from terrorism/mass murders) have their own cycle, which generally doesn’t over-lap with other kinds of violence. For example, child abuse and serial killing became major problems in the mid-1970’s-mid-1990’s, which is when politically oriented violence and mass murder weren’t very common. In the late 70’s and early 1980’s, every other week a newly caught serial killer seemed to be in the news (w/coverage of serial killers waning in the late 80’s once it became clear that many of them targeted hookers and gay men (particularly after normal people became more guarded in the 80’s and 90’s), so predictable as to be depressing (Jeffrey Dahmer in 1991/’92 seems to be the last iconic serial killer to get wall to wall press; the Original Night Stalker/Golden State Killer is one of the most prolific and sadistic rapists in US history, but he “only” killed about 6 people in the 1980’s, and is now a withered grandpa, so the case got surprisingly little popular attention during his recent arrest, and this is a guy who raped the wives of men after said men boasted that they never would let it happen)

  38. @MikeatMikedotMike

    You haven’t seen the lamentations of old Africans who have realized that things were better under colonialism, and want the colonialists to come back.  There is SOME awareness there.  The question is, will there ever be enough?

    • Replies: @216
    , @MikeatMikedotMike
  39. 216 says:
    @Mr. Rational

    Some Africans may come to resent Chinese debt-trap imperialism, but perhaps there is the chance that the Chinese install their own civil servants to ensure the trains are run on time. That’s perfectly fine to your average absentee African Big Man.

    Perhaps we will also see a competing Indian form of imperialism.

    Neoliberals actually chide the US for having too little involvement in Africa, in comparison to the old European colonial states.

  40. 216 says:


    War on Beta Males

  41. @Mr. Rational

    That is a good point. My only consideration is that those old Africans did not grow up in a Western society that exacerbated those traits by both worshiping and coddling them.

  42. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    Right, this is likely at least as much about the definition as about the activity.

  43. @216

    told that we face economic marginalization for not being liberal

    Indeed, and increasingly it’s more than just that. The calls for Nielsen–softy, obstructing Nielsen!–to be harassed everywhere she goes is a sign of what is coming down the pike. How long before a candidate like Stacey Abrams is urging people treat anyone in their personal lives–neighbors, family members, (former) friends–who supports Republicans?

    • Replies: @216
  44. @EastKekistani

    Had to delete longish comment. No calling specific groups of people “cancer”.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    , @iffen
  45. @Thulean Friend

    Yeah, for all items new in 2018, the sample sizes are going to be ~1500, so for Asians it’ll typically be lower than 100 and that mixes East and South. Suggestive results at most.

  46. Senator John Cronyn owned by the Hindu “American” Lobby…….this is why he hates Kobach….

  47. Twinkie says:

    Dude, a cop killing a couple kids on an early 1970’s college campus wasn’t that disturbing

    If you are going assert things, first check facts.

    It wasn’t a “cop.” It was the Ohio State National Guardsmen who were at Kent State to suppress a protest on campus. And that incident led to nation-wide protests by college students (reputedly 4 million of them).

    And that was not an isolated incident of politics-fueled violence. The 68 Dem convention was quite the show as well:

    You just have no clue how chaotic the country was in the late 60’s-70’s, your reputed golden age. There was STAGFLATION during the Carter years:

    Try to imagine your salary declining or losing your job while simultaneously prices spiking. This on top of race riots, assassinations, mass protests, and the ignominious retreat from Vietnam, Iran hostage crisis, the specter of a nuclear war with the Soviet Union, etc.

    • Replies: @Feryl
    , @Feryl
    , @Feryl
    , @Mark G.
  48. 216 says:
    @Audacious Epigone

    Will the anger ever burn itself out?

    Not likely IMO, considering that we are in a good economy. It’s hard to imagine that it can get much better than it is right now. Upon the next recession, the left will quickly pinpoint “white privilege” as the cause.

    The anger is also due to the low number of defectors submitting to the ritual humiliation of “deradicalization”.

    I like to compare Trump to Mossadegh (probably unfair given that Mossadegh actually tried), because when the people were denied a political solution in ’53, they came back with a military solution in ’79.

    We might not have that long, the Shah wasn’t able to alter his nation’s demographics. The Shah’s police state also spent most of the time chasing Communists, and ignoring the threat from the clerics. Our enforcers aren’t that stupid.

  49. @216

    So true….Blacks are competing with Mexicans and Asians for jobs…they will lose out…blame Whitey…..this is exactly what happened during 8 years of the Obama Administration…Whitey got blamed when things didn’t improve under Obama….followed by Polar Bear knock out game…

  50. Feryl says:

    The income gap between elites and commoners was much smaller back then; spikes of collective violence are considerably nastier when arrogant elites live in gleaming castles while proles eat dirt.

    Face it: Boomers have been blowing hot air about the 60’s and 70’s for ages. The 1980’s and 1990’s are when the die was cast for the Gilded Age 2.0, it’s just that Gen X-ers don’t mythologize themselves like Boomers do. And Millennials and Gen Z face the bleakest economic prospects (relative to what their parents achieved) of any generation since the Lost Generation. America, since the 1980’s, no longer invests in infrastructure and domestic manufacturing, and Reagan’s gutting of taxes on the wealthy helped cause an exponential surge in the number of millionaires from 1983-2007 (Peter Turchin), who nowadays seldom invest their wealth into better pay and benefits for average workers (or permit that much of their wealth to go to the government for various public works projects), instead doing stuff like stock buybacks to keep padding their wealth.

    Also, the Progressive era (C. 1900-1930) was the last gasp of the Gilded Age, and as such there were tons of nasty race riots, bloody labor disputes, and talk of legit revolutions against decadent elites (one of which did happen in Russia). According to Peter Turchin, the sheer variety of collective struggles in this period surpass any similar period in US history (though in terms of human casualties, the Civil War was of course the worst).

    Boomers need to be grateful for what they were given (which was a great deal, in the egalitarian Great Society era), instead of complaining that they didn’t get literally everything they wanted from “the system” (as if they themselves never had any power to change things for the better). FYI to Boomers and X-ers, stubbornly insisting that you weren’t and still aren’t “the establishment” is no excuse for your failure to stop the slide into the new Gilded Age.

    WRT to “heavy” events, the 1980’s had the Aids crisis, Iran-Contra, the still ongoing rotting of basic public infrastructure getting underway (look at what Thatcher did to the British railways), yuppies cynically climbing over people and throwing tons of people out of work (mergers and acquisitions, off-shoring, “down-sizing”, and the overall coarsening of social culture (worse manners, more foul language, more media obscenity etc.). Just because protests and riots diminished, and pedophiles began to be the targets of vigilantes (and vigilantism is always a sign of a culture sliding down the tubes), doesn’t somehow make the 1980’s some sort of paradise, frankly the Reaganite Right’s deification of the 80’s has always made me sick.

    The Great Society I call, with some reservation, a Golden Age because people were treated with more dignity, and had more “options”, than they are nowadays. And things in the 60’s and 70’s were much better than they were in the first Gilded Age that lasted from C. 1880-1930. I mean, not every decade can be the 1950’s, but the 1930’s-1970’s were vastly superior to say, the 2000’s.

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  51. Feryl says:

    America is now full of insane people with tons of guns, and a disposition to vent their rage at a decaying society that has totally failed people under the age of 45. Suicide rates, and use of powerful and addictive drugs (opioids), are much higher than they were 50 or 40 years ago.

    You think people were mad about the economy in the 70’s? Christ, back then 90% of America was very affordable, and people weren’t told that you “had” to go to college (at great cost) to get a decent job (not until the 80’s did lots of people start to go to college). Are you naive enough to think that Millennials (who were born in an era of high immigration, rising property values, gutting of manufacturing jobs, receding unions, etc.) will buy Boomer sob stories about the 70’s?

  52. Feryl says:

    Going by mass shootings, poor treatment of the mentally ill, suicide rates, never ending foreign conflicts w/accompanying derangement and disfigurement of personnel, and partisan grid-lock, it’s safe to say that America is now in a much, much worse place than it was in the 1970’s. There is more to judging a society than just street crime rates (which are just a sign of how many hedonistic young people there are, nothing more or less) or hippies protesting a stupid war (which our leaders had the decency to fully stop, in light of failure to reach stated goals).

  53. @Peripatetic Commenter

    Watch the FAGIT*s tag that as hate speech by next week.

    * Faceborg Apple Goolag Instagram Twatter

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  54. Mark G. says:

    Boomers are often lumped together but there were differences between early and late Boomers. Early Boomers came to adulthood in the sixties when there were were lots of jobs and the economy was booming. They could afford to tune in, turn on and drop out for a few years because there would be a job waiting for them. The late Boomers had more of a struggle coming of age with the seventies stagflation. Things were really bad then. They became punk rockers and not hippies and were not as liberal. I’m a late Boomer and lots of my friends have older brothers and sisters with liberal hippie attitudes while they are more conservative. It’s not surprising to me when some aging punk rocker like Johnny Rotten shows sympathy for Brexit because I personally know people my and his age like that. Steve Sailer here is a late Boomer and has fondly mentioned going to see punk groups like the Clash or Talking Heads and he kind of typifies a late Boomer political attitude.

  55. @Feryl

    It’s weird and sad how much you want to blame entire classes of people just because of when they were born.

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  56. iffen says:
    @Audacious Epigone

    Instead of using the word cancer, what if we called it a group evolutionary strategy? Will that be okay?

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  57. @EastKekistani

    Cosmopolitanism will likely never appeal to most people of any race, yet it is what the global elite want hoisted upon everybody.

  58. @War for Blair Mountain

    If you give your country away, how surprised can you be when people take it?

  59. @Mr McKenna

    So is the Atlantic criticizing the electoral decisions of big city blacks? The nerve!

  60. @iffen

    Sure, that’s a much better way to assert it.

    • LOL: iffen
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  61. War for Blair Mountain:

    Clean up the dehumanizing language or comments will no longer be permitted. There are other places for spleen-venting on the internet. This is not one of them.

  62. Feryl says:

    I’m just pointing out that people need to stop distorting historical periods. Boomer need to stop complaining about the 1940’s-1970’s, because that period is objectively better then the preceding and succeeding periods. Peter Turchin has amassed a mountain of data regarding public health, immigration levels, wealth concentration, partisanship, and so forth, and most of it indicates improvement from about 1900-1960, a plateau from 1960-1980, and a steep plummet after 1980 (the obesity rate literally began rising in 1980, Reagan’s tax cuts began the path toward a decadent and spoiled aristocracy which we’ve now arrived at).

    Also, generations are a valid concept. The accents we have, the vocabulary we use, the pop culture figures who dominate our memories, etc. are all rooted in the generation we are a part of. It’s why elderly people always seem so alien to teenagers. Nobody born in 1930 sounds like a valley girl; males born over the last 30 years now sound like 80’s California teenagers.

    Also WRT Boomers, being that they’ve always highly elevated the importance of generation as a concept, only stands to reason that other generations should do the same. Hell, the word “generation” itself wasn’t used that often until the 1960’s, when young people started talking about the “older” generations.

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  63. iffen says:

    I like Tom Brokaw’s description: The Greatest Generation.

    I think of mine as: The Not So Great Generation.

    (Late blooming Boomer, 1950)

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  64. Feryl says:

    Well, there’s an argument to be made that 2nd wave G.I.s and Silents were so disappointed by the Boomer reaction to “controversies” over Vietnam, inner city race issues, welfare state expansion, and criminal rights expansion (basically, Boomers were an obnoxious headache who committed lots of crime, sponged off of welfare, started race riots, and whether pro or anti-war they seemed to be toxicaly head strong in their expression of feelings) in the late 60’s and 70’s that it threatened what early G.I.s had billed as a “great society”, and set the stage for the reactionary turn that we took in the 80’s and 90’s (mass incarceration, attacks on labor rights, privatization, and so on). But GIs never fully abandoned their commitment to the New Deal, so it was up to Silents to decide whether to keep extending a (government and business) hand to their Boomer and Gen X kids. And Silents decided in the 80’s that these generations weren’t entitled to the fair treatment that GIs and Silents received, mainly because they thought younger generations were ungrateful, lazy, ignorant, and dangerous.

    So it was that Silents would be chiefly responsible for electing the now anti-New Deal GOP to three straight victories (1980-1992), and Silents have been the most committed Republicans ever since, a big contrast from GIs and early Boomers who are more to the left. Silents are the most wealthy, healthy, and largely happy generation in American history, who figure that if they could play their cards right, then why can’t anyone else?.

    There’s a big shift under-way in our culture, because stable Silents are now almost completely out of power, and tempestuous Boomers (and their melancholy children/grandchildren, the X-ers and Millennials) now totally dominate. Because GIs and Silents believed in stability and conformity, they kept some semblance of order and productivity in the 1930’s-2000’s. However, our leadership is now almost entirely made up of Boomers and X-ers, neither of whom have ever bought into the sanguine vision of society that GIs and Silents offered up. So huge changes are afoot. Not that it will be that smooth, since Boomers, X-ers, and Millennials all have different value systems and expectations about how society is supposed to be. Boomers: the seeking of (self-directed) spiritual and cultural perfection; X-ers: skeptical but not moralistic about large campaigns to solve problems or instill character; Millennials: fed up with society emphasizing the individual at the expense of the group.

  65. Feryl says:

    Well, Brokaw is perpetuating the (largely Boomer created) narrative about their being an “older” generation that contrasted with Boomers. In fact, he’s eliding the politically and culturally powerful Silent generation from the narrative. In the 1960’s and 70’s, it was Silents who were most of the heavy hitter cultural figures, and were beginning to take the political limelight away from GIs. This was of course made possible by both GIs and Boomers respecting the wishes of Silents (no generation since the Silent has been able to so easily command an audience willing to listen). The Boomers wouldn’t come into their own until the 1980’s, at which point Silents deemed them to be as clueless as ever about art, politics, spirituality, etc. And Silents had an even more hostile opinion toward X-ers, whom the Silent had shown little interest in from the day that X-ers were born.

    Silents felt obligated to steer society in the direction of refinement and depth, but found Boomers to be flaky and narrow-minded, while finding X-ers to be stunningly aloof and glib. It was Silents who were the first generation to popularize talk radio and talk TV (Siskel/Ebert, Phil Donahue, Tom Snyder etc.), delighting in extended conversations that could verge on heated, but always had mutual respect (with the trolls like Morton Downey at least being witty). Now that Silents have mostly faded from the scene, we now have talk shows with sour and self-righteous arguments frequently between or within the Boomer and X-er generations (w/ Millennials mostly preferring to stay out of these confrontations).

    Brokaw at the end of the day is ignoring way too much good stuff about the give and take of generations. Old people seemed naively hubristic in the 60’s and 70’s (Gis), then they seemed witty in the 80’s and 90’s (Silent). In the 2000’s and 2010’s, old people now seem flaky (Boomers). In the 2020’s and 2030’s, old people (X-ers) will seem flinty.

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  66. iffen says:

    I like and agree with some of your comments (or parts), but sometimes I think that you spread yourself a little to thinly and don’t actually say anything; like this comment, for example.

  67. iffen says:
    @Audacious Epigone

    So we can actually engage in race baiting and such, but we just have to be clever and opaque with it like the SJWs.

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