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This provides a nice opportunity for keeping credible the pseudonymous surname by parroting an observation Steve Sailer has made time and time again. One of his recurring themes is to point out that to the hivemind it is always 1965. When it comes to race relations it’s as though the last five decades never happened. The most recent lynching in the US occurred before I was born. Emmett Till, murdered in 1955, has been a perpetual bull since the Reagan administration:

The only way it will ever end is if white people demand it end. If we do nothing, the endpoint isn’t South Africa or even Zimbabwe–it’s Haiti. Two centuries after whites were butchered to the last baby and Haitians still blame us for their nation-sized shithole.

 
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  1. Anon[395] • Disclaimer says:

    Blacks, and many other PeeOhCee, are well aware of the power of white guilt. At times they are even able to warp reality and claim that this guilt is really self-serving “white fragility”. So perhaps they don’t understand the intra-white status signaling aspect.

    To their credit, blacks are able to easily see through the GOP pandering. They have no illusions that the GOP elite cares about its base. (It says a lot about the GOP, which has never even extracted the abolition of A/A in the various amnesty bills that have passed the Senate in ’06,’07 and ’13).

    Even I feel guilt, and frankly at times I believe we are “deserving” what is coming.

    216

  2. anon[361] • Disclaimer says:

    poor victims, committing violent crime at 3-4x the rate, killing a net ~200 whites every year, raping ~20,000 white women a year and for some reason they think they’re my judge

    • Replies: @Nicholas Stix
  3. Without looking it up. I’m guessing the Justice for Victims of Lynching Act is what? Financial compensation to the descendants of lynched persons?

    The only connection Kamala Harris has to the dark and despicable history of the United States is Willie Brown’s penis.

    She is a ghoul, dancing on the gravestones of individuals her maternal ancestors would have employed as servants.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  4. @MikeatMikedotMike

    Kamala Harris is amoral and intellectually average. Her lust for power, however, is off the charts. She will be a loyal servant to the darkness in D.C. And thanks for the mental picture of Willie Brown’s shriveled old penis.

    • Replies: @anon
  5. D. K. says:

    Emmett Till was not lynched:

    ***

    In 1959, Tuskegee defined its parameters for pronouncing a murder a “lynching”: “There must be legal evidence that a person was killed. That person must have met death illegally. A group of three or more persons must have participated in the killing. The group must have acted under the pretext of service to justice, race or tradition.”

    ***

    https://slate.com/human-interest/2013/01/lynching-map-tuskegee-institute-s-data-on-lynching-from-1900-1931.html

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  6. anon[361] • Disclaimer says:
    @SunBakedSuburb

    her real talent seems to have something to do with chrome and a trailer hitch

  7. @Anon

    Even I feel guilt, and frankly at times I believe we are “deserving” what is coming.

    That must really suck. I feel not guilt, but intense resentment since my ancestors hailed from a state that never had slavery or even a death penalty and shed blood on the wrong side of the war of northern aggression. Nobody in my bloodline has ever seen the slightest benefit from the existence of negroes in America, only costs in tranquility, blood, and cash. The negroes owe me some damn gratitude. But I do think we are deserving of our impending doom – stupid has a price. If we are so stupid to permit negro dysfunction to continue destroying western civilization then we must inevitably pay the piper.

    To help assuage your guilt however, keep in mind that even if your great (x4) granddaddy was a plantation owner, he was providing an immense benefit to his negroes. Had they not been sold to whitey by their African negro captors, they’d have been tortured to death, dismembered, and eaten back on the dark continent. Had they not been sold to English (later American) buyers, they’d have been castrated (if shipped east) and worked to death (Arabia and S America). Instead, they were fed, clothed, housed, provided medical care, all in the best manner available to the world. They were taught English, civilized to the extent of their capacity for such, and their issue eventually granted full citizenship in the greatest nation on earth. Today they’re born on whitey’s dime, live to old age on whitey’s dime having never performed a moment’s productive work, given a lifestyle of unimaginable opulence to descendants of their ancestors’ captors in Africa, and granted rights over and above those of their benefactors. It’s the equivalent of hitting the lotto jackpot insofar as potential outcome of their African genome. All courtesy of you.

    Have you ever had a negro thank you?

  8. “Those who control the present, control the past and those who control the past control the future.”

    in 2015, obama wanted to change the 10 dollar bill to feature harriet tubman. treasury secretary (jack lew) called tubman’s story the essential story of american democracy.

    in 2000, every kid in US public schools knew who harriet tubman was.

    in the early 80s, there was a short paragraph about harriet tubman in our history books, but it was brief, and the lazy kids did not even notice it.

    in the 50s and early 60s, my parents had never even heard of this person, and they went thru 12 years of public school without even encountering her. when it was announced in 2015 that she would be replacing hamilton on the 10 dollar bill, both my parents were both like “Who the hell is that?”

    ramzpaul noticed the same thing about The Holocaust, showing that his 1974 encyclopedia did not even have an entry for it.

    leftists are retconning US history. but that’s what the enemy does, when it wins a war and takes over your country.

  9. Paul says:

    Louis Till (Emmett Till’s father) was a U.S. soldier executed for rape and murder during the World War II occupation of Italy. European women feared the rapes being committed by black troops, and Till was strongly punished to try to deter such crimes. Information about this is available on the Internet.

    • Replies: @Mokiki
  10. One of his recurring themes is to point out that to the hivemind it is always 1965.

    And always 1933. The hivemind isn’t bound by logic. And there’s more than one of them, although they often overlap.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  11. szopen says:

    Well, I would say they have a point about massive debt Haiti was forced to pay.

  12. Unzerker says:

    If I recall correctly 2 blacks were lynched during the Katrina disaster.

    Of course they were lynched by other blacks, so it doesn’t count.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  13. @Stan d Mute

    Quite well put. The simple truth.

    Corvinus will object but the problem with his type of rejection of your argument is that he fails to take into account realistic opportunity costs. So, rather than seeing the alternatives to what you delineate as slavery and death by cannibalism, he views the alternative as some conflict-free paradise built by and for black people–a Wakanda type fantasy.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Corvinus
    , @Svigor
  14. Anon[427] • Disclaimer says: • Website
    @Anon

    Blacks, and many other PeeOhCee, are well aware of the power of white guilt.

    The real power of blacks over whites is fever, not guilt.

    Whites worship blacks for strong(sports), song(rap), and dong.
    The jungalo fever magnifies the guilt because whites feel they wronged a superior badass race.

    But notice there isn’t much guilt about Indians. Immigration led to genocide of Indians, but immigration isn’t associated with tragedy.

    And Americans feel no guilt over what they did to Palestinians. Americans see Muslims and Arabs as inferior or, at best, mediocre.

  15. Corvinus says:

    “Similarly, for the mainstream media when it comes to race, it’s always Clarksdale, Mississippi in 1965. It never gets old.”

    Of course, Mr. Sailer is 1) perpetuating a false premise and 2) fails to NOTICE the historical significance of this bill, which is being reintroduced yet again.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/retropolis/wp/2018/07/05/how-congress-failed-nearly-200-times-to-make-lynching-a-federal-crime/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.d1999f9a0f59

    Of course, for the Alt Right when it come to race, it’s always Clarksdale, Mississippi in 1925. It never gets old. But nostalgia has a weird way of making things better than what they seemed.

    • Troll: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Unzerker
  16. dearieme says:

    Lynching was a crime directed at Loyalists during the American rebellion. Will some daft compensation now be owed to the descendants of those poor victims? If not why not?

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  17. Unzerker says:
    @Corvinus

    Do you really need different laws for each specific way of murdering people?
    The way blacks in Africa and Haiti lynch people by putting a burning tire around someones neck (necklacing) is especially cruel. Maybe different ways of lynching should get different bills too then.

    Weren’t nearly 30% of the lynching victims white? Should they also be protected by these new bills or do only the normal murder laws apply to them?

    How often does lynching happen in the USA anyway? Besides two black rapist being lynched on separate occasions by black mobs during the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina I can’t remember a single time. And Hurricane Katrina was 13 years ago.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  18. That link AE gives above to ‘The Root’ with the anti-white polemic on Haiti, does recall some important apparent factoids, to juxtapose against the horrifying 1804 Haitian massacres of all white men, women and children

    – Hundreds of thousands of the original island inhabitants are said to have died from imported disease and killings post-Columbus

    – In 1825 France, with US support, sent warships to Haiti and demanded 150 million francs in reparations to the slave-owners … and Haiti is said to have spent 122 years paying this, until 1947

    – France and the USA joined in continued usurious debt enslavement of Haiti, making ‘loans’ to help make payments on the above debt, and then charging compound interest

    – In 1915-34 the USA invaded and occupied Haiti, sometimes using European soldiers as supplements

    – In 1919, US Marines stole $500,000 from the Haitian National Bank and took it to Wall Street, to the City Bank of New York (now Citibank) founded by Moses Taylor, “who made his fortune illegally importing slaves to Cuban sugar plantations after slavery was outlawed in the United States”.

    As late as 1915, nearly 80 percent of Haiti’s government revenue was paid to service its debt. But by the time they made the last payment in 1947, Haiti wasn’t even paying France. It was paying an American bank that had bought all of Haiti’s debt from French banks.

    Alexis de Tocqueville (1805-59) once wrote:

    Until now, everywhere that whites have been most powerful, they have held Negroes in degradation or in slavery. Everywhere that Negroes have been strongest, they have destroyed whites; this is the only account that has ever been opened between the two races.

    • Replies: @Rich
    , @Peter Frost
  19. Corvinus says:
    @Unzerker

    “Do you really need different laws for each specific way of murdering people?”

    Well, we have first, second, and third degree statutes on the books.

    “The way blacks in Africa and Haiti lynch people by putting a burning tire around someones neck (necklacing) is especially cruel.”

    Any type of lynching is cruel, right?

    “Maybe different ways of lynching should get different bills too then.”

    Do you live in Africa or Haiti? You know, the ACTUAL place?

    “Weren’t nearly 30% of the lynching victims white? Should they also be protected by these new bills or do only the normal murder laws apply to them?”

    It is applied to everyone.

    “How often does lynching happen in the USA anyway?”

    Very rare.

    “Besides two black rapist being lynched on separate occasions by black mobs during the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina I can’t remember a single time.”

    Source?

  20. Corvinus says:
    @Stan d Mute

    “That must really suck. I feel not guilt, but intense resentment since my ancestors hailed from a state that never had slavery or even a death penalty and shed blood on the wrong side of the war of northern aggression.”

    Praytell, what was the ethnicity of your ancestors? If they were other than from the British Isles, they should have been forced to go back.

    “Nobody in my bloodline has ever seen the slightest benefit from the existence of negroes in America, only costs in tranquility, blood, and cash.”

    I bet there were a couple of fine fellows and ladies in your family who would vehemently disagree, you are just too proud to admit it.

    “If we are so stupid to permit negro dysfunction to continue destroying western civilization then we must inevitably pay the piper.”

    Whites should have picked their own damn cotton! Except they could not help themselves due to their inherently greedy nature.

    “To help assuage your guilt however, keep in mind that even if your great (x4) granddaddy was a plantation owner, he was providing an immense benefit to his negroes.”

    LOL, no. African slaves had NO benefits being ripped from their homelands and sold to whites.

    “Had they not been sold to whitey by their African negro captors”

    Actually, tribal groups and white Europeans worked together to capture other tribal groups.

    “they’d have been tortured to death, dismembered, and eaten back on the dark continent.”

    African slavery and American slavery were noticeably different. We have discussed your ignorance on this subject matter before. Perhaps you are a slow learner?

    http://www.discoveringbristol.org.uk/slavery/people-involved/enslaved-people/enslaved-africans/africa-slavery/

    Of course, the darkies in America would have been punished by whitey for not doing their work and been prohibited from learning how to read and write.

    “Instead, they were fed, clothed, housed, provided medical care, all in the best manner available to the world.”

    For the exclusive purpose of working for a master without the benefit of wages nor being able to exercise their God given right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

    “They were taught English, civilized to the extent of their capacity for such…”

    Actually, the Europeans were the barbarians here.

    “Today they’re born on whitey’s dime, live to old age on whitey’s dime having never performed a moment’s productive work…”

    How is that any different than what you do now?

    • Troll: Mr. Rational
  21. Corvinus says:
    @ThreeCranes

    “So, rather than seeing the alternatives to what you delineate as slavery and death by cannibalism…”

    False comparison. African tribal groups were free. They developed their own civilization. They exercised their liberties in a manner they saw fit. Then comes along those Europeans who were driven by mammon. They stripped several generations of Africans of their dignity. There is no reasonable argument made justifying European enslavement of Africans, or non-European enslavement of any other group, past or present.

    You look nightmarishly foolish here.

  22. @Corvinus

    “African tribal groups were free.”

    Hardeeharharhar……

    Got any more good ones, Corvinus?

    It may be your’s, but being eaten by the King to whom your are enslaved isn’t a European’s idea of freedom. In virtually every category, the European influence upon Africans ushered them towards competence and autonomy. That the African has proven himself to be incompetent is not our fault. We did the best we could with the material we had on hand.

    Plenty of first-hand testimony in The Negro In Negroland to black dysfunctionality.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Corvinus
    , @RadicalCenter
  23. Them Guys says:

    Back in Detroit, around 1980’s? Blacks joined in on the current back then Fad for coloreds. Which was a massive promotion of Malcolm X. The Detroit Blacks began buying and wearing a black baseball hat with a huge white X on caps front. This was also back when “Black Power” and it’s related power sign of a raised Fist was also very popular among blacks. They also chanted of “I’m Black and I’m Proud!” to Which us Whites replied back at them, “Maybe You are Black & proud, But..WE Are White & RIGHT!” That really screwed with their low iq minds.

    We White guys got sick and tired of it all, and one of the local neighborhood Biker Clubs member started getting black baseball hats like those negoes wore. Only The Biker guys hats had a huge white O on front of cap. When black guys accused us whites of racisim and copy catting Their hat style and idea, we retaliated by explaining that Our hats with a Huge O instead of an X like blacks wore, meant that Our huge white O on our hats stood for….OTHER people. Then naturally most of those angry blacks asked us what we meant by, Other prople?…Again we answered back with, WE the, Other than Black people, is who & what was meant.

    This retaliation so pissed off most of those Black X hat guys, that very soon we noticed that most quit wearing those X hats. We kept wearing our O hats though to sort of rub it in so to speak.

    That Biker club guy who originated and old our O hats, sold over 2,000+ hats and sold them at his cost. A Non Profit Detroit Whitey Biker type of agenda one may say.

    Another clubs member guy created a Large group of Outlaw Bikers from over 20 clubs members, and called it…Rent a Biker….Anybody with cash could rent from one, to as many as could afford, Outlaw Biker guys ready to attend most any legit protest, kiddies Birhday Party, Weddings, Funerals, etc. Not very many folks rented those bikers for events or protests, but a few did.

    It was a great idea and too bad more people or org groups didn’t make good use of it. The full price per Biker was only $5 per Hr. And such types added to various events can open doors faster and wider due to the percieved notion held by most non-bikers, that they need to fear bikers. Plus many of those biker guys were willing to get paid in Beer & foods instead of cash money.

    I and other Harley rider guys figured, why not take advantage of such a state of fear within non biker peoples. Like say you need to stand and wait in long line for tickets to a popular movie now playing. Why stand in long lines when you can just pull up to curb with a few bikers on nice loud harley bikes, park out front near where tickets are sold at front of line. Then just basically Look right at the regular non biker faces as you walk to back of line. Just doing that simple task, typically creates mass fear and deep concern with those regular type folk. Which in turn quickly causes one or two, Brave ones in line near middle of line, to yell out omething akin to, “Hey you bikers look like in a hurry to get tickets, so Please jump in Front of us”. Then we tell those brave souls, something like, Oh No that is not fair to you or others who have been in line ao long before we arrived on scene. Thats the point when Everybody in the long line becomes braver and soon become a chorus of folks chanting that we bikers definitly should have no problems jumping ahead. Usually we fast end up at or very close to front of ticket line!…And all we did was park bikes in visible front of line area, and walk to back of line while looking at peoples faces making Eye contact.

    This works swell at other venues like resturatnts etc. It is just a human factor of non bikers minds being brainwashed by msm tv and Hollywood, that a proper response to close proximity with bikers is to display and feel obvious fear and deep concern. The regular folk aka john q. public’s rather give bikers their closer spaces in line or a better table where then, the biker guys will be up front or at a table where all the reg. folks can, keep their eye on them. The regular folks fear a biker being behind them in fear of what, “might” occur. It is very soothing for the idiots to See the biker guys in front of them. This really is idiotic and stupid for rarely do any bikers ever bother or harm any citizen non bikers. However like I always said to my biker pals, if this if how the reg folks percieve of Us? Why not take good advantage of it as often and as much as we can.

    I think far more Whiteys need to start thinking more like bikers do, since in todays America it seems the Only large nationwide group of Whites that stick together as One, and usually back each other to the Hilt are in fact, America’s Bikers. Both Outlaw club and Independent alike.

    Once people think in such a group way, as in, But Is It GOOD for Us White’s? Things seem to go smoother and you gain respect. Even if its respect out of Fear, so What, eh? Better than Zero respect at all isn’t it? Most often folks don’t mess with those they fear and respect. Once they come over to Our side maybe then we can all can relax a bit and become a much larger group of like minded Pro Whiteys. Most regular whites just need to be trained and taught is all.

    PS: best part is that, Thanks to libs, anti-white Jewry and Blacks and MSM TV news, Whites do not even need dress nor looke like a Biker to do this. For, those I listed prior have already created a form of nationwide mass hyterical Fear of European White Males. Just by going out & about in group size numbers like Bikers typically are seen doing, will gain the proper effect and a Proper long over due Respect of Whitey again, as it used to be 30-50 yr ago. Even a large sized group of White Men dressed for a Golf game outting, will cause such fear based respect, thanks to msm, blacks, jews etc et al’s mass work at demonization of the, White Man. With respect, Whites gain a Real Voice that cannot be ignored any longer.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  24. Corvinus says:
    @ThreeCranes

    “It may be your’s, but being eaten by the King to whom your are enslaved isn’t a European’s idea of freedom.”

    So now you go from false comparison to a red herring. The fact of the matter is that a free people (Africans) were brutally enslaved by another free people (Europeans). There was not a “European idea” of freedom, just freedom. There is no justification, nor “moral imperative”, behind enslavement despite your apparent insistence that this action was “perfectly acceptable”.

    Besides, there is evidence that suggests that Europeans exaggerated accounts of cannibalism.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22026025

    “In virtually every category, the European influence upon Africans ushered them towards competence and autonomy.”

    Except African (and Asian) societies were competent and had their own autonomy until European interference, not influence, ran roughshod.

    Do you enjoy embarrassing yourself?

    • Troll: Mr. Rational
  25. Mokiki says:
    @Paul

    Fascinating bit of Till trivia from Wikipedia:

    While serving in the Italian Campaign, Till was arrested by military police, who suspected him and another soldier, Fred A. McMurray, of the murder of an Italian woman and the rape of two others, in Civitavecchia. After a lengthy investigation he and McMurray were court-martialed, found guilty and sentenced to death by hanging. The sentence was carried out at the United States Army Disciplinary Training Center north of Pisa on July 2, 1945.[4][5] He had been imprisoned alongside American poet Ezra Pound, who had been imprisoned for collaborating with the Nazis and Italian Fascists; he is mentioned in lines 171-173 of Canto 74 of Pound’s Pisan Cantos.

  26. Rich says:
    @Brabantian

    The Haitians murdered every White person on the island, Men, women and children. Those warships should’ve killed every last one of the murderous dogs. When do the Haitians begin paying their debt to the relatives of the murdered?

  27. @prime noticer

    I learned about Harriet Tubman while going through school in the 60’s and 70’s, but I grew up in an extremely liberal university town.  It stands to reason that the nation-wrecking propaganda started closer to home and then spread out.

  28. @Stan d Mute

    Have you ever had a negro thank you?

    After the “Rumble in the Jungle”, Muhammed Ali is reported to have said “Thank god my grand-daddy got on that boat”, but I have never heard of any thanks he gave to White people specifically or in general.

    If I dug into the sermons of Dr. David Manning I’d probably find something, but I have no time for such things.

  29. @Corvinus

    African tribal groups were free. They developed their own civilization.

    What civilization, troll?  None of the tribal groups we can identify built in stone or had written language.  There had to have been burials associated with “the great Zimbabwe”, but they must have been non-Blacks because we have been denied any hint as to who built it and that is the only reason for hiding the identity of its builders.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  30. Gene Su says:

    Anyone who wants to counter the liberal boilerplate that blacks were subjected to genocide before the Civil Rights movements needs only to cite this statistic from Walter Williams:

    According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, between 1976 and 2011, there were 279,384 black murder victims. Though blacks are 13 percent of the nation’s population, they account for more than 50 percent of homicide victims. Nationally, the black homicide victimization rate is six times that of whites, and in some cities, it’s 22 times that of whites…The magnitude of this tragedy can be seen in another light. According to a Tuskegee Normal and Industrial Institute study, between 1882 and 1968, 3,446 blacks were lynched at the hands of whites.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  31. Svigor says:

    “Perpetually Rising Star”

    One, two, one, two, three, four
    Yes I needed some time to get away
    I needed some peace of mind
    Some peace of mind that’ll stay
    So I thumbed it, now it’s six in L.A.
    Maybe a Greyhound could be my way
    Police and niggers, that’s right
    Get outta my way
    Don’t need to buy none of your
    Gold chains today
    Now don’t need no bracelets
    Clamped in front of my back
    Just need my ticket ’till then
    Won’t you cut me some slack
    You’re one in a million
    Yeah that’s what you are
    You’re one in a million babe
    You’re a shooting star
    Maybe some day we’ll see you
    Before you make us cry
    You know we tried to reach you
    But you were much to high
    Much too high
    Much too high
    Much too high
    Immigrants and fagots
    They make no sense to me
    They come to our country
    And think they’ll do as they please
    Like start some mini-Iran
    Or spread some fucking disease
    And they talk so many God damn ways
    It’s all Greek to me
    Well some say I’m lazy
    And others say that’s just me
    Some say I’m crazy
    I guess I’ll always be
    But it’s been such a long time
    Since I knew right from wrong
    It’s all the means to and end I’m
    I keep it moving along
    Hey, hey, hey, yeah
    You’re one in a million
    You’re a shooting star
    You’re one in a million babe
    You know that you are
    Maybe some day we’ll see you
    Before you make us cry
    You know we tried to reach you
    But you were much to high
    Much too high
    Much too high
    Much too high
    Radicals and racists
    Don’t point your finger at me
    I’m a small town white boy
    Just tryin’ to make ends meet
    Don’t need your religion
    Don’t watch that much TV
    Just makin’ my livin’ baby
    Well that’s enough for me
    You’re one in a million
    Yeah that’s what you are
    You’re one in a million babe
    You’re a shooting star
    Maybe some day we’ll see you
    Before you make us cry
    You know we tried to reach you
    But you were much too high
    Much too high yeah, yeah, yeah
    Much too high
    Much too high
    Much too high yeah, yeah, yeah
    Much too high
    Much too high
    Much too high
    Much too high
    Much too high
    Much too high

  32. Svigor says:
    @Stan d Mute

    I block these shitbirds. Try it some time.

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
  33. Svigor says:
    @ThreeCranes

    Another shitbird I blocked. Much rather just not see his shitbird comments.

    I’ve actually started blocking people who too often quote shitbirds I’ve blocked.

  34. @Corvinus

    You may be shocked to learn that we agree here, Corvi.

    The overly positive stuff about Africans and their “liberties” and ways of life in Africa aside, there was ZERO excuse for people in the uk and the USA to go out of their way to buy Africans as slaves.

    They were not on our continent at all and posed no threat to us short- or longer-term if we simply left them where they were.

    It was not a situation where we defeated neighboring people in combat and had to kill or enslave them lest they regroup and kill us — an excuse that a couple people have used against me, that would apply at most as a partial excuse for the Africans who defeated other Africans and sold the losing tribes into slavery (where the alternative in Africa was, presumably, death for the men or all the losing tribe).

    Absolutely no even partial excuse for people in North America and the UK making the concerted effort to advertise for, find, and ship slaves from Africa who had zero ability to affect them or their children.

    The evil of slavery has been repaid many times over, in a sense, or at least bitterly avenged by african-“Americans”, but not against those slaveowners and slavetraders who deserved it.

    Instead, hundreds of million of white Americans — and now Hispanic and Asian Americans — have paid a terrible price at the hands of Africans still absurdly living here among us, when we have no ancestors who were remotely culpable in their anscestors’ enslavement.

    • Disagree: Mr. Rational
  35. @ThreeCranes

    But what was the moral justification for going thousands of miles out of our way, to enslave people who posed no threat to the slavers or anyone in North America?

  36. @Anon

    Even I feel guilt, and frankly at times I believe we are “deserving” what is coming.

    I did, too. Then I had started having kids.

  37. @MikeatMikedotMike

    I should look it up, I know I should. But I’m just going to assume that you have the gist of it unless or until someone informs me otherwise.

    • Agree: MikeatMikedotMike
  38. @D. K.

    I know. I guess I did insinuate it in the body of the post, though.

  39. @Unzerker

    Duh. Only whites can be racist and only whites can lynch. Some may argue that whites possessing these unique abilities that non-whites do not and cannot possess makes whites superior, or at least different, but that just [system crash]

  40. @dearieme

    If not why not?

    Rhetorically, obviously.

  41. @Them Guys

    It’s difficult for a lot of white normies to even win staring contests with blacks. Several years ago now, I forget how long, I made it a point to never avert my gaze in public with anyone. It has done wonders for me.

  42. @Corvinus

    I enjoy Mr. Rational managing to use the once-an-hour button with such meticulous precision as to be able to ping every one of yours posts as “Troll”!

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    , @Corvinus
  43. @Corvinus

    We saved you from your African Persecutors and after all we’ve done for you, you still feel ingratitude. Ah well, that’s to be expected. The Rescuer is never thanked by the Victim. It’s too embarrassing to acknowledge one’s powerlessness to manage on one’s own.

    Another commenter in another post linked to an article in The Root in which the author argues that Haiti’s problems can still be laid at the feet of White Euros–and this in spite of the aid that (primarily the USA) Western nations have lavished upon Haiti for lo these many years.

    “Haiti has been plagued for decades by extremely high unemployment and underemployment. The precipitous decline in urban assembly sector jobs, from a high of 80,000 in 1986 to fewer than 17,000 in 1994, exacerbated the scarcity of jobs. To revitalize the economy, U.S. assistance has attempted to create opportunities for stable, sustainable employment for the growing population, particularly those who compose the country’s vast informal economy.”….

    Aid to Haiti:

    “WORLD TOTAL 2,422,202,996
    Country/organisation ISO country code Funding, committed and uncommitted,
    Others 639,381,379
    Private (individuals & organisations) 593,639,219
    United States US 466,879,506
    Canada CA 130,733,775
    World Bank (emergency grant) 82,107,356
    Japan JP 70,744,798
    Saudi Arabia SA 50,000,000
    Spain ES 47,664,745
    European Commission 43,290,043
    France FR 33,844,153
    United Kingdom UK 33,070,138
    Central Emergency Response Fund (CERF) 27,976,462
    Norway NO 25,298,044
    Sweden SE 25,039,684
    Germany DE 21,645,022
    Brazil BR 16,884,782
    Denmark DK 16,288,032
    Australia AU 13,489,209
    China CN 10,813,535
    UN & agencies 1
    Italy IT 9,302,037
    Switzerland CH 8,932,039
    Finland FI 8,005,607
    Russian Federation RU 5,700,000
    Netherlands NL 83,448,252
    India IN 5,000,000
    United Arab Emirates AE 3,209,113
    Ghana GH 3,000,000
    Ireland IE 2,886,002
    Donors not specified 2,219,169
    Indonesia ID 1,700,000
    Czech Republic CZ 1,154,401
    Belgium BE 1,151,876
    Poland PL 1,089,466
    New Zealand NZ 1,000,000
    Morocco MA 1,000,000
    Guyana GY 1,000,000
    Estonia EE 1,000,000
    Luxembourg LU 2
    Greece GR 3
    Inter-American Development Bank 200,000
    South Africa ZA 4”

    Every African nation receives grain from the USA, Canada and Australia without which the indigenous people would starve (which would be a good thing in my opinion, if for no other reason than to humble and silence dishonest ignoramuses like you).

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  44. @RadicalCenter

    Or how we should’ve picked our own cotton.

  45. this is one of the things about bullshit stories. They don’t start becoming propaganda until decades after it happens when there’s no one left to call bullshit on it. Like the holocaust didn’t really become a thing until the 70s.

  46. @Svigor

    There’s a glitch in Ron’s matrix in that my “ignore” list is unique to every device I use. My iPhone has a list, my iPads each have a list, etc.

    But otherwise I make liberal use of the feature for the over-zealous religious fanatics and the idiot trolls. The myriad “anons” here are a mixed bag and if you block one the matrix blocks them all – I find myself opening anon comments too regularly as I do enjoy about half of their comments.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  47. TheJester says:

    I’ve been playing with the concept of the “cargo cult” to explain one of the driving forces in our society.

    Wikipedia: “A cargo cult is a belief system among members of a relatively undeveloped society in which adherents practice superstitious rituals hoping to bring modern goods supplied by a more technologically advanced society.”

    RationalWiki: “Usually, cargo cults focus on magical thinking and a variety of intricate rituals designed to obtain the material wealth of the advanced culture they encountered.”

    Perhaps we can look at the Civil Rights Movement as slowly having morphed from a political movement into an African religious experience … a classical “cargo cult”, complete with unseen forces broadcasting wealth or destruction on individuals. The ritual makes use of specialized verbal omelets. It involves appealing to unseen forces — white privilege, institutional white racism, etc. All Africans have to do is to loudly proclaim that they have been harmed by these evil, unseen forces. Then, if the ritual is meticulously followed, the goods miraculously start to appear: affirmative action privileges, quotas, subsidized housing, welfare payments, and other “gibsmedats”.

    This “cargo cult” has proved so materially lucrative for Africans that other people of color and white feminists have jumped aboard. They’ve adopted the same verbal omelets, rituals, and appeals to unseen forces and powers to secure otherwise unimaginable wealth and power for themselves.

    Question: If left unchallenged, is it possible for these new “cargo cults” to bankrupt a society?

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
  48. @RadicalCenter

    there was ZERO excuse for people in the uk and the USA to go out of their way to buy Africans as slaves.

    You’re wrong.  Africans were the salvation of Virginia colony.  English transportees and Irish slaves (okay, “indentured servants”) were brought in to work the plantations but almost all were dead within a year of tropical diseases like yellow fever.  You can’t “pick your own cotton” if you’re a corpse.  You can’t make your farm profitable if your investment in workers never pays off.

    Africans had natural immunity to many of the tropical diseases which killed off the Europeans and made Virginia colony a profit-making enterprise.  Just because they’re obsolete farm equipment today doesn’t mean they always were.

  49. @Audacious Epigone

    It’s my service to the community.

    • Agree: MikeatMikedotMike
  50. @TheJester

    If left unchallenged, is it possible for these new “cargo cults” to bankrupt a society?

    Definitely.  They are like a tulip mania, except the legacy costs are far worse than just a pile of worthless bulbs.

  51. @Brabantian

    As late as 1915, nearly 80 percent of Haiti’s government revenue was paid to service its debt. But by the time they made the last payment in 1947, Haiti wasn’t even paying France.

    Debt, in itself, doesn’t make a country poor. Because of WWII, most Western countries carried a heavy debt burden during the postwar era, yet those years were a time of unparalleled growth and prosperity.

    For Haiti, the period from 1915 to 1947 was a time of steady improvement that benefited all social classes. This was the time of the American occupation and then authoritarian rule by Haiti’s mulatto middle class. Roads were built, schools were opened. Above all else, a peaceful, productive environment was created. The 1940s and early 1950s are today remembered by elderly Haitians as a golden age. This was a time when Haiti had a great many factories, when Haitian artists were gaining international renown, and when the country was a popular destination for honeymooners. The country benefited from the postwar doubling of sisal and coffee exports, as well as the boom in tourism. The resulting growth in government revenues made it possible to increase the national budget from 12 to 21 million dollars between 1946 and 1949. The civil service was expanded, and this expansion created a large black middle class.

    Ironically, this success sowed the seeds for later disaster. Although the emerging black middle class was better off than the average Haitian, they preferred to compare themselves with middle-class mulattoes, who often enjoyed the trappings of inherited wealth: two-storey homes, French furnishings, and American cars. In addition to feeling jealous, they also resented having to conform to European norms: speaking, reading, and writing in French and not in Creole, practicing Catholicism and rejecting Vodou, straightening their hair (in the case of girls and women), wearing European-style dress, etc. This resentment strengthened the appeal of black nationalism for middle-class blacks.

    Those were the people who pushed for black nationalism and who ultimately brought “Papa Doc” Duvalier to power in 1957. The rest is … history.

    Don’t blame the debt for what happened post-1957. It had long been paid off by then.

    http://evoandproud.blogspot.com/2018/02/the-haitian-tragedy-part-2.html

    http://kreyolicious.com/haiti-history-101-haiti-by-the-decades-the-1950s/1859

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  52. Corvinus says:
    @Mr. Rational

    “What civilization, troll?”

    Are you an idiot, and do you also play one on T.V.?

    http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/timbuktus-ancient-relics-lay-in-ruins-at-hands-of-militant-group-328799/?no-ist

    http://www.pbs.org/wonders/Episodes/Epi5/5_wondr3.htm

    https-//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sankore_Madrasah

    African peoples developed civilization. They observably met the criteria—large and thickly populated settlements; a variety of specialized occupations; the ability to produce and store surplus food and other goods; variety and ranking of social positions; the development of an important art style; trade over long distances.

    You are focusing on one part—technology—and assuming that because Africans failed to build urban levels on the same size and scope as Europeans that Africans were uncivilized or savage. Yes, there is no comparison regarding level of sophistication, but those African cities that did exist were notable. At the end of the 13th century, a European traveler encountered the Benin City in West Africa (present Nigeria, Edo State), writing:

    “The town seems to be very great. When you enter into it, you go into a great broad street, not paved, which seems to be seven or eight times broader than the Warmoes street in Amsterdam…The Kings palace is a collection of buildings which occupy as much space as the town of Harlem, and which is enclosed with walls. There are numerous apartments for the Prince`s ministers and fine galleries, most of which are as big as those on the Exchange at Amsterdam. They are supported by wooden pillars encased with copper, where their victories are depicted, and which are carefully kept very clean. The town is composed of thirty main streets, very straight and 120 feet wide, apart from an infinity of small intersecting streets. The houses are close to one another, arranged in good order. These people are in no way inferior to the Dutch as regards cleanliness; they wash and scrub their houses so well that they are polished and shining like a looking glass.” (Source: Walter Rodney, ‘How Europe Underdeveloped Africa, pg. 69).

    The Mali Empire consisted modern-day Mauritania, Senegal, Gambia, Guinea, Mali, Burkina Faso, Niger, Nigeria, and Chad, Mali was one of the largest empires in the world. The people here are able to trace their Mandinka, i.e. Mandigo, ancestors to Mali.African peoples developed civilization.

    https-//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mali_Empire

    Timbuktu is a city founded by Arabs and later expanded upon by black Muslims. This city, on the cusp of major trade routes involving a wide range of people, had contained several large buildings consisting of available materials and was the hub of learning and trade in the region. Tumbuktu was under the rule of several rulers of the Mali and Songhai Empires.

    • Troll: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
  53. Corvinus says:
    @Audacious Epigone

    “I enjoy Mr. Rational managing to use the once-an-hour button with such meticulous precision as to be able to ping every one of yours posts as “Troll”!”

    In other words, avoid substantive discourse. You’re better than that, AE.

    • Troll: Mr. Rational
  54. Corvinus says:
    @Mr. Rational

    If you are supporting African slavery, then you should have no problem when your kind is eventually and similarly enslaved by the darkies and brownies. Tit for tat, right?

    • Troll: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
  55. @Corvinus

    If you are supporting African slavery

    I’m not.  It has no purpose in this day and age.

    you should have no problem when your kind is eventually and similarly enslaved by the darkies and brownies.

    Hint, troll:  my kind already is so enslaved, required to support hordes of unemployable melanin-poisoned parasites who are nothing but thugs, criminals and voters for the welfare state that keeps them from starving to death as they ought.

    I’m trying to end the only slavery that has existed in North America since 1865 and force Washington to let my people go.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  56. @Corvinus

    African peoples developed civilization.

    civilization, n. specifically : the stage of cultural development at which writing and the keeping of written records is attained.

    There was only oral history of Timbuktu before about the 13th century, and your own cite debunks you:

    https-//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sankore_Madrasah

    When civilization came to Timbuktu, it wasn’t African; it was Arabic.

    Are you an idiot

    You’re that, and a troll, and so often a laughingstock that I believe that’s the only reason Steve Sailer lets you post on his pages.  Dunno why AE tolerates you, maybe he thinks you’re comic relief.

  57. ariadna says:

    @corvinus:
    “Europeans exaggerated accounts of cannibalism.”
    I agree. The reason is probably that Europeans imagine an African version of a suburban barbecue (“Throw two more kids on the barbie, M’babwe!”). They ignore the fact that the haute cuisine of the highly developed and sage African civilization was judicious: they knew that just a couple of shinbones from an adult male could produce a large cauldron of soup to feed several families. So you are right: OK, there was cannibalism but we are not talking wanton waste.

  58. ariadna says:
    @Mr. Rational

    And why are you against comic relief, Mr Rational?

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
  59. ariadna says:

    Rather than black slavery in the US –in the past– attention should be focused on the ongoing slavery of the entire nation, decreed and installed on December 23, 1913!

  60. @D. K.

    Till met his fate because he hit on another man’s wife. That’s no excuse for murder, but especially in the Old South more than a few white men ended up dead for similar reasons. (See e.g., Lynard Skynard’s Give Me Three Steps.)

    • Replies: @D. K.
    , @Corvinus
  61. @Mr. Rational

    Yeah, I’ve had that objection come up a few times before. The death rate was that high? I’ve seen the factoid tossed around in polemical service to North American slavery being some of the best slavery in all of world history (“European indentured servants had higher mortality rates than African slaves!”, etc) but I didn’t realize that it was Congo-levels of pathogen devastation for Europeans.

    Natives weren’t sufficient in numbers and I suppose their reputation for being incorrigibly stubborn and refusing to work meant they weren’t a viable replacement.

  62. @Peter Frost

    Thanks, that fills in a knowledge hole I needed filled!

  63. @Mr. Rational

    In perfect candor, I’m going to do whatever I’m able to do to maximize your comment contribution. A few of my top commenters haven’t moved over here (at least not yet), so it’s been a real treat counterbalancing that potential loss with huge additions like yourself.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    , @Corvinus
  64. D. K. says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    Yes, in addition to the fact that Emmett Till was murdered by only two men, not by a “mob” of three or more people, he also was murdered for very personal reasons, by the husband and half-brother-in-law of his victim (whether Emmett Till had sexually assaulted her, in some fashion, or merely accosted her verbally); he was not murdered “under the pretext of service to justice, race or tradition.”

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  65. @ariadna

    why are you against comic relief, Mr Rational?

    I’m over the (mental) age of 12, and fart jokes aren’t funny any more.

  66. I bet the white Colonial and later early American white men who owned slaves had no trouble finding white women who wanted to marry them and bear their legitimate children. Not an incel among them, in other words, because an average-looking white guy who could keep Negroes in subjection and make them productive on his farm would have looked like better-than-average husband material to many of the white American women of the time.

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
  67. Corvinus says:
    @Mr. Rational

    “I’m not. It has no purpose in this day and age.”

    Yet you stated to RadicalCenter “You’re wrong. Africans were the salvation of Virginia colony.” Lucy, you got some ‘planin’ to do!

    “Hint, troll: my kind already is so enslaved…”

    Who is “my kind”?

    “required to support hordes of unemployable melanin-poisoned parasites who are nothing but thugs”

    That would be your ancestors, compliments of WASPS. You must go back.

    “I’m trying to end the only slavery that has existed in North America since 1865…”

    That would be Fake News.

    “and force Washington to let my people go.”

    Again, who is this “my people”?

    • Troll: Mr. Rational
  68. Corvinus says:
    @Mr. Rational

    Writing is but one of several aspects of civilization, friend. Of course, you are purposely ignoring other components.

    https://www.nationalgeographic.org/encyclopedia/civilization

    I would not expect you to be honest here. The fact remains that Africa built up civilizations.

    “You’re that, and a troll, and so often a laughingstock that I believe that’s the only reason Steve Sailer lets you post on his pages.”

    Tsk, tsk, tsk, grabbing your pigtails and stomping your feet because you were exposed as a fraud yet again is not a very good look. Of course, God is watching you act in this manner. I suggest a trip to your local place of worship for reflection and spiritual cleansing is in order.

    • Troll: Mr. Rational
  69. Corvinus says:
    @Audacious Epigone

    “In perfect candor, I’m going to do whatever I’m able to do to maximize your comment contribution.”

    Another one of your attack dogs, eh, AE?

    • Troll: Mr. Rational
  70. Corvinus says:
    @RadicalCenter

    “The overly positive stuff about Africans and their “liberties” and ways of life in Africa aside, there was ZERO excuse for people in the uk and the USA to go out of their way to buy Africans as slaves.”

    Likewise, there was ZERO excuse for people in Europe to go out of their way and invade the world and invite the world.

    “They were not on our continent at all and posed no threat to us short- or longer-term if we simply left them where they were.”

    And Europeans were also not part of the North/South American continent. Had they only left the tribal groups alone…

    “Instead, hundreds of million of white Americans — and now Hispanic and Asian Americans — have paid a terrible price at the hands of Africans still absurdly living here among us, when we have no ancestors who were remotely culpable in their anscestors’ enslavement.”

    The only one who is absurd here is you.

    • Troll: Mr. Rational
  71. Corvinus says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    “Till met his fate because he hit on another man’s wife. That’s no excuse for murder,”

    Thanks for the hypocrisy.

    Of course you do realize that she said her claims were false.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/27/us/emmett-till-lynching-carolyn-bryant-donham.html

    • Troll: Mr. Rational
  72. Corvinus says:
    @D. K.

    “Yes, in addition to the fact that Emmett Till was murdered by only two men.”

    Unjustifiably murdered by two men.

    “he was not murdered “under the pretext of service to justice, race or tradition.”

    Of course he was murdered under the pretext of service to SOUTHERN justice, race, and tradition. Furthermore, you do realize that she said her claims were false.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/27/us/emmett-till-lynching-carolyn-bryant-donham.html

    • Troll: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @D. K.
  73. D. K. says:
    @Corvinus

    “Unjustifiably murdered by two men.”

    Murder, by definition, is unjustified, asshole. Who is defending the killing of Emmett Till as having been legally justifiable? Find yourself an IQ test that consists solely of building straw men; it will do wonders for your middling score.

    “Of course he was murdered under the pretext of service to SOUTHERN justice, race, and tradition.”

    He was murdered by the woman’s husband and the husband’s half-brother. They were acting on behalf of a wife and sister-in-law, not on behalf of Southern maidenhood, or of Southern society in general.

    “Furthermore, you do realize that she said her claims were false.”

    Whether her claim of being verbally accosted or sexually assaulted was true or false is utterly irrelevant to the motivations and intentions of the husband and half-brother-in-law who chose to act, illegally, based upon her claim.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Corvinus
    , @Mr. Rational
  74. Corvinus says:
    @D. K.

    “Who is defending the killing of Emmett Till as having been legally justifiable?”



    Re-read the thread and get back to us when you will honestly assess the comments here.

    “He was murdered by the woman’s husband and the husband’s half-brother. They were acting on behalf of a wife and sister-in-law, not on behalf of Southern maidenhood or of Southern society, in general.“

    On behalf of a wife and sister-in-law in order to protect the concept of Southern maidenhood and preserve the sanctity of the southern white-black racial social structure.

    “Whether a claim of being verbally accosted or sexually assaulted was true or false is utterly irrelevant to the motivations and intentions of the husband and half-brother-in-law who chose to act, illegally, based upon her claim.”



    It is completely relevant to the narrative continued by those southerners who believe that Emmitt Till deserved to be murdered. Besides. had the wife not said anything about the matter, obviously the two men would have not taken the law into their own hands. The men clearly acted based on what she said happened. They took her information and chose to engage in a heinous crime.

    • Troll: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @D. K.
  75. @D. K.

    Supposedly it wasn’t even HER claim.  She shut up about it.  The menfolk heard about it from talk by Till and his friends and decided it was not a situation that could be allowed to stand.

  76. D. K. says:
    @Corvinus

    If the purpose of the killing had been societal, rather than private, then it would have been carried out in public, with the body left displayed as a warning to others– as in an actual lynching! The killers would not have disposed of the body, in hopes that it would not be found and, thereby, tied to them as the perpetrators:

    “His body was tied with barbed wire to a cotton gin fan and thrown into the Tallahatchie River.”

    Their thus disposing of the body shows that, in their own minds, they were not acting on behalf of the community, and thus expecting to be held legally blameless for the killing. The fact that a jury later acquitted them of the crime is irrelevant to their own prior expectations of their possibly being held culpable, if the body were discovered.

    According to ‘Mr. Rational’ [supra], they acted, illegally, based upon what Emmett Till and his friends themselves had been saying about the incident in the store, not based upon what the wife had told her husband or anyone else.

    Here is the headline of the story to which you linked, from which the above quote was taken:

    “Woman Linked to 1955 Emmett Till Murder Tells Historian Her Claims Were False”

    Here is what the reporter actually wrote, in relevant part– at least as it appeared, after editing, in our self-styled “paper of record”:

    ***

    The woman, Carolyn Bryant Donham, spoke to Timothy B. Tyson, a Duke University professor — possibly the only interview she has given to a historian or journalist since shortly after the episode — who has written a book, “The Blood of Emmett Till,” to be published next week.

    In it, he wrote that she said of her long-ago allegations that Emmett grabbed her and was menacing and sexually crude toward her, “that part is not true.”

    ***

    The short confession attributed to the elderly woman– for which there is no evidence included that the reporter did anything other than accept the hearsay quote, offered by the professor, as accurate– does not support the headline. The quote says that a part of her claim– in court, under oath? out of court, to her husband and/or his half-brother? out of court, but to someone else?– was not true, not that her overall claim that she was somehow accosted in the store by Emmett Till was wholly untrue, which is the unavoidable implication of the attached headline.

    Since nothing that she said in court– nor anything else that she said after the murder, four days after the incident in the store– could have motivated her husband and half-brother-in-law to act, illegally, against Emmett Till, any such later claims by her were legally immaterial as to the perpetrators’ illegal actions. Only what they knew or had been told about the incident in the store, before the kidnapping and murder, was relevant and material to their legal intent (mens rea), and to the motivation for their illegal act (actus reus) in murdering Emmett Till.

    From further down in the article:

    ***

    What happened in that store is unclear, but it has usually been portrayed as an example of a black boy from up North unwittingly defying the strict racial mores of the South at the time. Witnesses said that Emmett wolf-whistled at Ms. Bryant, though even that has been called into doubt.

    Days after the arrest, Ms. Bryant told her husband’s lawyer that Emmett had insulted her, but said nothing about physical contact, Dr. Tyson said. Five decades later, she told the F.B.I. that he had touched her hand.

    But at the trial, she testified — without the jury present — that Emmett had grabbed her hand, she pulled away, and he followed her behind the counter, clasped her waist, and, using vulgar language, told her that he had been with white women before.

    “She said that wasn’t true, but that she honestly doesn’t remember exactly what did happen,” Dr. Tyson said in an interview on Friday.

    Ms. Donham, now 82, could not be reached for comment.

    ***

    If, at age 82, the woman honestly did not remember exactly what did happen to her, more than half a century earlier, then what the old woman allegedly had told the professor– which, again, we are only offered as unsupported hearsay from the professor himself– makes for rather weak testimony for exculpating Emmett Till for allegedly accosting the woman. Regardless, the notion that his victimhood makes him a sacred martyr for “civil rights”– as if he had been exercising his “civil right” as a fourteen-year-old black boy to accost a married white woman!– is utterly ludicrous.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Corvinus
  77. Corvinus says:
    @D. K.

    “If the purpose of the killing had been societal, rather than private, then it would have been carried out in public…”

    The murder was clearly about two men upholding the social order of the South. It was clearly a public event.

    “with the body left displayed as a warning to others– as in an actual lynching!”

    The body in its mutilated state served as a distinct warning to blacks about what will happen if they dare challenge southern social norms, as well as a welcome relief to the white community that men would not sit idly by when such a challenge was issued.

    “The killers would not have disposed of the body, in hopes that it would not be found and, thereby, tied to them as the perpetrators””

    Try again. Once it had been firmly established that a breach in southern racial etiquette occurred, the two men took it upon themselves to right this wrong. Besides, they brazenly kidnapped Emmitt Till from his uncle’s cabin in the middle of the night, realizing that even if his uncle reported it to the local authorities, or even testifying in court (which he did), they could rely on the Anglo-Saxon community to turn the other way. The literally and figuratively destroyed Till’s body. Once it was discovered and made public, “genteel southerners” would clearly understand the nature of the act. In addition, once they escaped the hands of justice by virtue of their acquittal (and with double jeopardy firmly entrenched), they sold their story to a magazine where they described in excruciating detail of their crime. To do nothing after hearing the story involving his wife, Bryant later told an interviewer, would have shown himself to be “a coward and a fool.”

    “Their thus disposing of the body shows that, in their own minds, they were not acting on behalf of the community, and thus expecting to be held legally blameless for the killing.”

    
Actually, the mutilated body demonstrated to the jury as well as the community just how severe was the transgression.

    “The fact that a jury later acquitted them of the crime is irrelevant to their own prior expectations of their possibly being held culpable, if the body were discovered.”



    Actually, it is completely relevant, as the two men fully expected that they would not serve a day in jail, considering that they appropriately responded to the aforementioned breach in racial etiquette.

    “According to ‘Mr. Rational’ [supra], they acted, illegally, based upon what Emmett Till and his friends themselves had been saying about the incident in the store, not based upon what the wife had told her husband or anyone else.”

    They acted in accord to what a southern women claimed as well as the alleged actions by the boys, which she later said was other than true. It’s that elementary. Given the violent reprisal initiated by her husband and her half-brother, the wife was not compelled in court to say anything to the contrary. Their intent was to ensure such egregious action would never be repeated, and to serve as a reminder to the community that, even in the event they would be caught, that local residents would be sympathetic and protective.

    “If, at age 82, the woman honestly did not remember exactly what did happen to her, more than half a century earlier, then what the old woman allegedly had told the professor– which, again, we are only offered as unsupported hearsay from the professor himself– makes for rather weak testimony for exculpating Emmett Till for allegedly accosting the woman.”

    She certainly remembered at the time of the incident what took place. As a result of what happened, she informed the menfolk in her life, who took it upon themselves to institute a form of southern justice.

    “Regardless, the notion that his victimhood makes him a sacred martyr for “civil rights”– as if he had been exercising his “civil right” as a fourteen-year-old black boy to accost a married white woman!– is utterly ludicrous.”

    Of course he is a sacred martyr for civil rights. Consider that the men murdered a boy, who may or may not have engaged in one or more breaches of southern racial etiquette. Consider that the two men were acquitted in under an hour despite the uncle identifying in open court the perpetrators. Consider that the judge instructed the jury that it was their “Anglo-Saxon duty” to protect the social mores of the community.

    To hear the defense attorney and judge make it well known to the jury that “every last Anglo-Saxon one of you has the courage to set these men free”, who later returned a “Not Guilty” verdict, was a clear miscarriage of justice. Rosa Parks once wrote, “[T]he news of Emmett’s death caused me…to participate in the cry for justice and equal rights.”

    • Troll: Mr. Rational
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    , @D. K.
  78. @Corvinus

    To hear the defense attorney and judge make it well known to the jury that “every last Anglo-Saxon one of you has the courage to set these men free”, who later returned a “Not Guilty” verdict, was a clear miscarriage of justice.

    In the micro, it was a man defending his wife.  In the medium, it was protecting White women from Black predation.  In the macro, it was payback for Reconstruction.

    You want to see REAL miscarriages (abortions) of justice?  Theodore Wafer is in prison for a conviction on a charge he provably COULD NOT have committed, James Fields is headed there ditto, and Garcia Zarate is a free man.  Emmett Till, son of convicted rapist-murderer Louis Till, deliberately acted in a threatening manner to a petite White woman.  What happened to him was against the law, but it was not wrong and the jury exercised its right of nullification.  Because of such policing of social norms it was 2014, not 1964, when the first case like Jessica Chambers would occur.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  79. D. K. says:
    @Corvinus

    To choose just one of the endless absurdities of post hoc logic rolled out in your latest reply:

    “Of course he is a sacred martyr for civil rights.”

    What is the name of the law-school professor who taught you that 14-year-old Emmett Till had a “civil right” to accost verbally– let alone to assault physically, or even sexually– a married woman who was working in a store that he visited?

    “Consider that the men murdered a boy, who may or may not have engaged in one or more breaches of southern racial etiquette.”

    Do you believe that Emmett Till did nothing untoward to the woman, and that he was “lynched” (even though his case clearly does not meet the requirements of the Tuskegee Institute’s own definition of the term “lynching”) on behalf of the community, anyhow, as a random act of terror? Do you also believe that his father was falsely accused, convicted and executed for a murder and multiple rapes, in Italy, as many Emmett Till Martyr Cultists also appear to believe?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  80. Corvinus says:
    @D. K.

    “What is the name of the law-school professor who taught you that 14-year-old Emmett Till had a “civil right” to accost verbally– let alone to assault physically, or even sexually– a married woman who was working in a store that he visited?”

    Whatever was supposedly said by Till, if accurate, those words were assuredly other than polite. But regardless of the alleged vulgarities, his behavior did not warrant such a brutal, and brutish, reprisal.

    “Do you believe that Emmett Till did nothing untoward to the woman, and that he was “lynched” (even though his case clearly does not meet the requirements of the Tuskegee Institute’s own definition of the term “lynching”) on behalf of the community, anyhow, as a random act of terror?”

    Again, whatever Till allegedly uttered, it was not smart. Nonetheless, he was killed by two men who found it in their best interest to ensure that the community racial standards would be upheld.

    “Do you also believe that his father was falsely accused, convicted and executed for a murder and multiple rapes, in Italy, as many Emmett Till Martyr Cultists also appear to believe?”

    Red herring. Focus on the issue at hand, which is Till’s murder by two white men who were found not guilty despite clear, convincing evidence.

    • Troll: Mr. Rational
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  81. Corvinus says:
    @Mr. Rational

    “In the micro, it was a man defending his wife. In the medium, it was protecting White women from Black predation. In the macro, it was payback for Reconstruction.”

    In the micro, it was a man defending his wife who had committed a Becky. In the medium, it was protecting white women from alleged black predation. In the macro, it was an assault on our justice system and the liberties of free men.

    “Emmett Till, son of convicted rapist-murderer Louis Till, deliberately acted in a threatening manner to a petite White woman.”

    He acted in a manner that was an affront to the racial order at the time, which turned out to be immoral and unjust.

    “What happened to him was against the law, but it was not wrong and the jury exercised its right of nullification.”

    Of course the murder was against the law AND wrong. The jury nullified the rule of law.

    You’re just not that bright.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
  82. D. K. says:
    @Corvinus

    “Whatever was supposedly said by Till, if accurate, those words were assuredly other than polite. But regardless of the alleged vulgarities, his behavior did not warrant such a brutal, and brutish, reprisal.”

    What does the fact that he did not deserve to be murdered have to do with your claim that he was, indeed, a “sacred martyr for civil rights?” (By definition, no one deserves to be murdered, because a justifiable killing is, by definition, not murder.) What “civil right” was he supposedly exercising that got him killed? How is his murder, for (at least) verbally accosting a female stranger, a martyrdom more than any other murder is?

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Corvinus
  83. Corvinus says:
    @D. K.

    Seems you are going to another topic. I agree, it is futile of you to insist that the two men were not publicly upholding the southern racial order when they butchered a black teenager who probably said something that was out of bounds, but did not deserve that particular fate. The punishment did not fit the crime.

    Speaking of which, that is exactly why Till became a martyr. The heinous, cowardly act was seen by millions of whites and blacks–North AND South–when there was an open casket funeral and those photographs made the rounds by way of the media. This case and others led the federal government to pursue legislation to enable it to investigate such matters should local and state officials deny people their fundamental right of due process. In 1957, Congress passed a civil rights act that properly empowered the government in this arena. The two perpetrators got away with murder because the community miserably failed to uphold the rule of law.

    Are you done here?

    • Troll: Mr. Rational
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  84. @Corvinus

    it was a man defending his wife who had committed a Becky.

    She actually didn’t (the menfolk didn’t get the word from her, but indirectly from Till’s companions) but I note that you want to turn that into a crime.

    It’s so ironic that your response to endemic Black misbehavior is to… penalize the people who Notice it, removing the consequences for it and allowing it to get even worse.  Do you want lynchings?  Because this is how you get lynchings.

    Of course the murder was against the law AND wrong. The jury nullified the rule of law.

    Black juries do that every day of the week.  Black and leftist juries also convict on racial/political grounds.  Neither Blacks nor leftists are moral enough to actually enjoy rule of law, and should be removed from the USA so it can return liberty to the actual posterity of the founders.

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    , @Stan d Mute
  85. D. K. says:
    @Corvinus

    No, I am not through here, yet. “Due process” is what the government owes to those accused by the government of crimes– not to the victims of crimes. There was, in fact, due process in the case of the killing of Emmett Till. The jury in that case rendered a bad decision, the same as another criminal jury did, forty years later, in Los Angeles. Nicole Simpson and Ron Goldman were literally butchered with a hunting knife, not merely beaten and shot in the head. Their mutilated bodies were left in a pool of their own commingled blood– where they might have been found by her and the killer’s own children, the next morning, had not a dog been attracted to the stench, shortly after the butchering had ended. They were not tied to a heavy object and then dumped into the local river, where it was clearly intended by his killers that the body of Emmett Till would permanently remain, undiscovered. Unlike Emmett Till, Nicole Simpson and her friend Ron Goldman had done nothing whatsoever untoward to deserve their fate at the hands of O.J. Simpson, as he acted from much the same motive as Till’s killers– to uphold the values of men like himself, who believe that violence is justified, up to and including murder, whenever they feel “dissed,” especially by an uppity white woman. Are Nicole Simpson and Ron Goldman– who both were members of legally protected victim classes (i.e., women and Jews, respectively)– “sacred martyrs to civil rights,” too? If not, why not?

    If an actual lynch mob had kidnapped a legally condemned black man who had raped and murdered a white girl, in the Deep South of 1955, would the fact that he deserved his fate, as a matter of law, make him not a “sacred victim of civil rights,” or would the fact that his lynching was, by definition, illegal make him one, anyway? Would said black man be one, anyway, even if he had been hanged by the state, rather than by a lynch mob, because the state was still doing the same thing, for the same reason– to uphold the norms of a white-supremacist society? Were white victims of lynchings civil-rights martyrs, too, or were they merely unfortunate? Do white people have civil rights? Can we be “sacred martyr(s) for civil rights,” too, or does the fact that you and black people proclaim ours to be a white-supremacist society, to this day, North and South, make us all ineligible for such martyrdom, even when we are butchered by blacks, like Nicole Simpson and Ron Goldman both were? Were Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom, Jr., both “sacred martyr(s) for civil rights,” nearly a dozen years ago, or were they merely unfortunates whose joint fate– carjacked, kidnapped, raped, tortured, murdered, and disposed of in the trash– had nothing to do with the societal norms of black people, and the latter’s notoriously dim view of the legal rights and human dignity of white people, whom they and you consider to be “racist?” What did your Sociology instructor or T.A. tell you about all of this, youngster, when you were in college, a few years ago?

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
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  86. Corvinus says:
    @D. K.

    Wow, you really are pulling out all the stops when it comes to red herrings and false comparisons. The point I was making about due process and the Till case is that this miscarriage of justice served as the rallying cry for whites and blacks for the federal government to ensure that it (due process) became a higher priority. The only parallel between the Simpson case and the Till case is their miscarriage of justice. But the nature, circumstances, and historical context are notably different. Focus on the larger issue at hand—a legal system in the South had been designed specifically for two types of justice—one for whites and one for blacks—which ultimately decidedly violated the Fourth and Sixth Amendments. Thankfully, major reforms were made to right those wrongs in the 1960’s.



    The irrefutable fact remains—the two men brazenly kidnapped Till from a house in front of a man who could, and did, identify them, with the intention to ensure that the southern racial order would be upheld. They dumped the body as would any person who committed one or more illegal acts would do not to get caught. Once they were apprehended, and the body recovered, southern whites could bear witness that the two men took matters into their own hands to ensure in was in their best interest. at the expense of southern blacks, to ensure that the community racial standards would be upheld. The two men could expect that their brethren would protect them by sparing them prison time.

    “If an actual lynch mob had kidnapped a legally condemned black man who had raped and murdered a white girl, in the Deep South of 1955, would the fact that he deserved his fate, as a matter of law, make him not a “sacred victim of civil rights,” or would the fact that his lynching was, by definition, illegal make him one, anyway?”

    Your example regarding a common black rapist in the South and Till are not on the same civil rights plane—he committed a legal crime and Till committed a social norm violation.

    “Were white victims of lynchings civil-rights martyrs, too, or were they merely unfortunate?”

    Depends if the white victims were opposing the southern racial order and had their liberties, as a group, stripped from them by southern governments.

    “Do white people have civil rights? Can we be “sacred martyr(s) for civil rights,” too?

    Of course. Andrew Goodman and Michael Schwerner come to mind. You are just being willfully obtuse.

    Again, are you done here?

    • Replies: @D. K.
  87. Corvinus says:
    @Mr. Rational

    “She actually didn’t (the menfolk didn’t get the word from her, but indirectly from Till’s companions) but I note that you want to turn that into a crime.”

    

Yes. she did tell them. She confirmed what happened after her husband found out through the grapevine. She said she was afraid of what he would do to Till. Remember, the facts surrounding what actually occurred at the grocery store are in dispute. Till did say something to do. But this violation of a social norm did not warrant him being murdered.

    “It’s so ironic that your response to endemic Black misbehavior is to…”

    

That would be Fake News.

    “Black juries do that every day of the week.”

    You’re going to need a host of sources to prove your assertion.

    “Neither Blacks nor leftists are moral enough to actually enjoy rule of law, and should be removed from the USA so it can return liberty to the actual posterity of the founders.”



    LOL, when you are supporting two white men who took the law into their own hands, and seemingly applaud the all-white jury for acquiring them, I would say that it is YOU who are an affront to the rule of law.

    You’re simply not that bright.

    • Troll: Mr. Rational
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  88. D. K. says:
    @Corvinus

    “Again, are you done here?”

    No:

    “They dumped the body as would any person who committed one or more illegal acts would do not to get caught.”

    Actual lynchings– which the Emmett Till murder was not– were carried out in public, by groups of people who were not personally victimized by the person(s) being lynched. Pictures often were taken, to document the occasions, and the bodies usually were left on display, as a public reminder.

    Most lynching victims– black, white, or otherwise– were lynched because they were believed to have committed capital offenses: e.g., murder, rape, arson, stock rustling. The notion that most lynching victims were innocent blacks who merely smiled or said hello to white women, whose male relatives then lynched the innocent, is a left-wing racial myth.

    Again, due process has to to with defendants, not with victims. The killers of Emmett Till received due process; Till was not entitled to any, since he was not prosecuted by the government for what he might have done, leading to his own murder.

    “Depends if the white victims were opposing the southern racial order and had their liberties, as a group, stripped from them by southern governments.”

    In other words, only blacks are entitled to “civil rights,” because they and you see only them as being victims of the social order and the government. The government itself, however, disagrees with you; its protected classes can cover virtually anyone. Emmett Till was not “stripped” of his “liberties” by the government; he had his life taken by private individuals– the same as Nicole Simpson, Ron Goldman, Channon Christian, and Christopher Newsom, Jr., all did! (Your own total lack of sympathy for white victims of epidemic black savagery is hereby duly noted.)

    Spell it out for us: What “liberty” did the South “strip” from 14-year-old Chicago resident Emmett Till, leading to his death?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  89. @Corvinus

    I have been laughing at “you’re simply not that bright”, because rampant projection.  Examples follow.

    Yes. she did tell them. She confirmed what happened after her husband found out through the grapevine.

    In other words, “(the menfolk didn’t get the word from her, but indirectly from Till’s companions)” is 100% true and correct.  You can’t even try to gainsay it without admitting it’s true.

    That would be Fake News.

    ORLY?  2919 shot and 579 homicides thus far in Chimpcongo is “Fake News”?  Blacks accounting for less than 13% of the US population but 52.5% of criminal offenders is not “endemic misbehavior”?

    You’re going to need a host of sources to prove your assertion.

    Do you really think that the OJ Simpson and Theodore Wafer verdicts are atypical of Black juries?

    when you are supporting two white men who took the law into their own hands

    Only because the written law was hopelessly corrupted by “civil rights” acts.

    and seemingly applaud the all-white jury for acquiring [sic] them

    I do (and I note that you can’t spell “acquit” worth a damn).  Had there been no serious response to Till’s assault on a married White woman, the locals would have been emboldened to see just how far they could go.  They were beaten back, and quite rightly so.  Because of their efforts it took almost 60 years, from 1955 to 2014, before there was a case as egregious as the murder of Jessica Chambers in the South.

    I would say that it is YOU who are an affront to the rule of law.

    I’m for the rule of law.  I’m dead-set against the rule of Black Racial Privilege.  Blacks will deserve the rule of law when they show that they can respect and follow it.  That has never happened.

    Your failure to understand this proves that you’re simply not that bright.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  90. Corvinus says:
    @D. K.

    “Actual lynchings”…

    There’s no such thing as “actual lynchings”, just lynchings. And you employing another red herring. Stay on point. The two men committed a brutal, lethal act. They understood once their identity would be revealed to law enforcement by the man who directly witnessed the kidnapping of Till, they had to dispose of the body. More importantly, they could rely on the community to protect them from legal repercussions, as they proved their mettle by preserving the souther racial order.

    “The killers of Emmett Till received due process; Till was not entitled to any, since he was not prosecuted by the government for what he might have done, leading to his own murder.”

    Yet another red herring. The larger issue here is that there were two forms of justice–white and black–in the South. The Till case highlighted this divided system, especially when it came to due process–a trial by an impartial jury of one’s peers.. The graphic nature of the crime and the surrounding publicity of the clear injustice committed by the jury compelled Congress to act. Consider that Jim Crow had denied blacks basic citizenship liberties. Nitpick all you want, but that is the bigger picture here.

    “In other words, only blacks are entitled to “civil rights,”…”

    Stop, that’s not what I said. You are now flailing here. The fact remains that two men horrifically murdered Till to maintain the strict racial social order of the South due to an apparent breach of social etiquette. The two men took it upon themselves to administer justice. Again, stay on point.

    “Your own total lack of sympathy for white victims of epidemic black savagery is hereby duly noted.)

    Wow, another red herring. If you need to have the last word, go right ahead. My point has been proven regarding Till’s murderers.

    • Replies: @D. K.
  91. Corvinus says:
    @Mr. Rational

    “In other words, “(the menfolk didn’t get the word from her, but indirectly from Till’s companions)” is 100% true and correct. You can’t even try to gainsay it without admitting it’s true.”

    Of course they got the word from her, as she eventually spoke to the two men about the matter!

    “Do you really think that the OJ Simpson and Theodore Wafer verdicts are atypical of Black juries?”

    You’re going to have to prove your assertion with statistics, not feelings. Again, you said “black juries do that every day of the week.” OK, so what evidence do you have? List your sources. Moreover, are you even aware of how jury selection works? Probably not.

    “Only because the written law was hopelessly corrupted by “civil rights” acts.”

    The Civil Rights Acts were required. Southrons couldn’t even adhere to “separate but equal doctrine” as demanded by the Plessy case. Law abiding white southerners understood the inequities, and worked toward rectifying the situation.

    “Had there been no serious response to Till’s assault on a married White woman…”

    Again, what actually happened is in dispute. Regardless, the two men viciously took matters into their own hands. The punishment did not fit the crime. Could they have not merely confronted the boy without resorting to outright savagery?

    “I’m for the rule of law.”

    Not really, given how you support the two men butchering a black boy without even batting an eyelash.

    You’re just not that bright.

    • Troll: Mr. Rational
  92. D. K. says:
    @Corvinus

    What has been proven, youngster, is that you understand neither the term “due process” nor the standard definition of “lynching,” which I cited above. The murder was not a lynching. There were only two assailants, for a start, not a group of three or more, and the two committed the killing for personal reasons, not to uphold the social order of the South. If the husband had discovered his wife being brutally raped by Emmett Till, on the floor of the store, in emulation of his late father, Louis Till, with a knife to the woman’s throat, and had shot the boy dead, there and then, you undoubtedly still would be claiming that it was a lynching, and that he had shot the underaged rapist to uphold the social order of the South, rather than to stop the degenerate adolescent from continuing his rape, and possibly going on to murder the man’s wife.

    For the umpteenth time, “due process” is the legal process due to someone who has been charged with a crime by the government. Victims are not entitled to due process. Emmett Till was not charged with a crime for whatever he did to the woman; he therefore was not entitled to due process, and thus was not denied due process by his killers. The fact that justice was not done in his case, just as justice was not done in Nicole Simpson and Ron Goldman’s case, forty years later, is a separate issue, beyond the point of whether due process was granted; it was– to the two defendants who were entitled to it! From your own chosen source, above, it is claimed that there is no credible evidence that Emmett Till committed a crime, since the hearsay witness claimed that the woman had recanted her charges of being physically assaulted by Till. There is no evidence cited in your chosen source that Emmett Till was at risk of being criminally charged for the incident, during the four days before he was kidnapped, beaten, and murdered. Therefore, he was not entitled to any due process, the way his rapist-murderer father, Louis, had been, over a decade earlier, in Italy.

  93. @anon

    Their violent crime rate is more like 7-10 times the white rate.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
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  94. @advancedatheist

    an average-looking white guy who could keep Negroes in subjection and make them productive on his farm would have looked like better-than-average husband material to many of the white American women of the time.

    It’s simpler than that. Slaves were expensive. Slave owners therefore were rich. Chicks then, now, and forever dig rich guys.

  95. @Mr. Rational

    Great comment my friend, but you’re feeding the Troll.

    Here I am at 5am laboriously adding him and his Troll pals (quite possibly all the same diseased individual engaging in sock puppetry) to yet another device’s ignore list..

  96. @Nicholas Stix

    You need to talk to Ron about blogging here. I rarely get to your blog anymore and it’s a pity. You do great work and your presence here would add value in more ways than one.

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