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The progression of events following a Muslim terrorist attack are predictable: Extremist shoots, bombs, or runs over a bunch of civilians. Blue checkmarks preempt a backlash by executing a frontlash. The bolder ones even use the opportunity to point out how the victimized population is the real problem.

The same sort of progression followed the Christchurch massacre, albeit on a smaller scale and mostly by deplorables unworthy of verification. One especially bold Aussie even flipped the script.

That the major media obviously does not treat these things as opposite sides of the same coin is not evidence of a double standard, as is often asserted. Sure, some of the duller media mouths are so lacking in self-awareness they genuinely can’t comprehend what the comparative reactions look like to an objective observer. But in the cases of most of them, it should be taken as even more confirmation of a single standard, a standard which is arrived at by asking Who? Whom? and assigning blame and moral culpability accordingly.

Increasingly, actions don’t matter–a person’s identity is the only thing that does.

Parenthetically, this is the type of response that can only come from someone–assuming it is sincerely put forward–who has never experienced any violence in her entire life:

In a violent situation, the operative assumption of the one being attacked should never be that deescalation has been achieved before confirmation that it has been can be made. When someone is hit from behind with a hard object and an unknown liquid substance, one should not immediately assume it is an innocuous egg but instead assume it is something like a glass vial of acid. Assuming the former is how a person gets himself killed.

Someone who has never so much as been shoved to the ground on the playground at recess is not going to be able to instinctively understand that, though. Elite white privilege, you might call it.

 
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  1. MODERN IMMIGRATION = NEO-SLAVE TRADE = DUAL SUFFERING.

    Prof. Tony Martin showed in his book that the Judaists were prominent in the slave trade, catching blacks in 3rd world countries and kidnapping them and trafficking them into Americas as slaves.

    Now, the Judaists do the same, except they call it “immigration”.

    If these Muslims had not been trafficked into NZ, they would have been alive today, in their own countries. If the Judaists had not promoted the alien invasion, these NZ people would not have been angry and flipped into shooting them.

    The Judaists have blood on their hands. It is all their fault.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "Prof. Tony Martin showed in his book that the Judaists were prominent in the slave trade, catching blacks in 3rd world countries and kidnapping them and trafficking them into Americas as slaves."

    Not this trope again!

    According to the research of Eli Faber from 1998, Jews did NOT play a leading role as the financial backers or transporters in the transatlantic or Caribbean slave trades. For starters, no ship fitted out for the slave trade that originated in Great Britain was under the direct or indirect control of a Jew. The data provided by the author demonstrates that Jews played little or no role in importing or selling slaves. If you could find research that contradicts his findings, I am all ears.

    For example, from 1709-1807, there are 934 recorded voyages in which Rhode Island merchants were responsible for procuring 106,000 slaves. Now, Jews arrived in Newport as early as 1658. On the eve of the Revolution, they were estimated to be around thirty families. According to historical records Faber used (e.g. naval office shipping lists, censuses, tax records) that identified merchants and planters as Jewish, there were 347 slave ships sent to Africa by Rhode Island slave traders from 1761-1774, with 21 being funded by Aaron Lopez, a Portuguese Jew. That means 326 voyages were underwritten by NON-JEWS. Of course, Jews played a role in the peddling of human flesh. The extent in this particular case is nominal compared to other ethnic groups.
  2. Fraser Anning is a low-IQ chud and his statement is a knee-jerk tribalist response that doesn’t actually address the problem. If he really wanted to say something shocking and effective he would’ve blamed the massacre directly on equality, tolerance, diversity, if not democracy itself. It moves the Overton window and making it acceptable to attack the left’s “values”. Attacking the left’s pawns is for morons and does nothing except satiate angry old men — by far the most useless demographic in the culture wars.

    Good of him to smack the little equalist around, though.

    • Replies: @Talha
    Anning is a Zionist chump. His actions are 100% predictable.

    http://www.jwire.com.au/a-motion-to-recognise-jerusalem-as-israels-capital-and-to-move-the-australia-embassy-there/

    https://plus61j.net.au/plus61j-voices/anning-katter-bolt-need-discuss-means-pro-israel/

    New Zealand laws are about to be hit massively by gun restrictions.

    If this shooter guy was a bonafide White nationalist, why barely any mention of Jews? Not even a little in respects to immigration policy. Really?
    https://muslimskeptic.com/2019/03/16/oddities-in-the-new-zealand-muslim-mass-shooting-case/

    Peace.

    Also, this edit is hilarious:
    https://twitter.com/SanaSaeed/status/1106814010035503104

    , @AnotherDad
    Jason, Anning's statement would no doubt have been better if you had written it or i had written it.

    Nonetheless:

    "The real cause of bloodshed on New Zealand streets today is the immigration program which allowed Muslim fanatics to migrate to New Zealand in the first place.”
     
    Compared to the cucky b.s. that every other politician is spouting, Anning's statement is a 200 proof shot of sanity and good sense.
    , @MikeatMikedotMike
    "Attacking the left’s pawns is for morons and does nothing except satiate angry old men — by far the most useless demographic in the culture wars."

    Your analysis of that Anning video couldn't be more inaccurate. Anning responded to an assault on his person with appropriate degree of force. Maybe you would just stand there and take it, but any self respecting man would make it clear physically that they do not tolerate such an attack.

    Speaking of, claiming Anning was on the attack is disingenuous.

    "Angry old men" - you forgot to say "white" - can, for the most part, still father children, making them much more valuable than pretty much every single women past the point of menopause not currently raising young children, as well as those fostering their "spread the other cheek" nonsense upon others.

    And if you stop by Heartiste's blog you'll read quite a few decidedly young angry white men applauding Anning's response to Egg Boy.
  3. Well, word is trickling out that this Al Noor mosque was not all sweetness and light after all. Two of its members joined Al-Qaeda and were taken out by an Obama drone strike in 2013. So, Obama fired the first shots against members of this peaceful house of worship. Should he apologize?

    • Replies: @Talha
    Legitimate question; do you think the mosque administration or congregation approved of them joining AQ? Are the congregants that did not join AQ the same as the ones that did? Simple question really.

    How many churches honored members of their congregation that joined the Marines or some armed forces and attacked and tore apart Iraq - a nation that had done us no harm? You can ask some people on Unz that attend church if this is normal. Should those lose “peaceful house of worship” status?

    Peace.
  4. @Jason Liu
    Fraser Anning is a low-IQ chud and his statement is a knee-jerk tribalist response that doesn't actually address the problem. If he really wanted to say something shocking and effective he would've blamed the massacre directly on equality, tolerance, diversity, if not democracy itself. It moves the Overton window and making it acceptable to attack the left's "values". Attacking the left's pawns is for morons and does nothing except satiate angry old men -- by far the most useless demographic in the culture wars.

    Good of him to smack the little equalist around, though.

    Anning is a Zionist chump. His actions are 100% predictable.

    http://www.jwire.com.au/a-motion-to-recognise-jerusalem-as-israels-capital-and-to-move-the-australia-embassy-there/

    https://plus61j.net.au/plus61j-voices/anning-katter-bolt-need-discuss-means-pro-israel/

    New Zealand laws are about to be hit massively by gun restrictions.

    If this shooter guy was a bonafide White nationalist, why barely any mention of Jews? Not even a little in respects to immigration policy. Really?
    https://muslimskeptic.com/2019/03/16/oddities-in-the-new-zealand-muslim-mass-shooting-case/

    Peace.

    Also, this edit is hilarious:

    • Disagree: Hail
    • Replies: @iffen
    Talha, everything is not about 'dem Jews. It is unlikely that they are behind this.
    , @AnotherDad

    Also, this edit is hilarious:
     
    This kid is a typical preening, virtue-signalling, leftist punk--no doubt raising as such but preening, virtue-signalling good-white parents. He thinks--like all leftists do--that because he's chock full of virtue he has the right to smash an egg on any bad-thinking white who says something he disagrees with. Punk richly deserved his beat down.

    That you find it this pathetic edit "hilarious", simply underlines that you have no business in the West. As Fraiser Anning correctly pointed out.

    Separate peoples, separate nations.
  5. @Bragadocious
    Well, word is trickling out that this Al Noor mosque was not all sweetness and light after all. Two of its members joined Al-Qaeda and were taken out by an Obama drone strike in 2013. So, Obama fired the first shots against members of this peaceful house of worship. Should he apologize?

    http://i63.tinypic.com/k33bti.png

    Legitimate question; do you think the mosque administration or congregation approved of them joining AQ? Are the congregants that did not join AQ the same as the ones that did? Simple question really.

    How many churches honored members of their congregation that joined the Marines or some armed forces and attacked and tore apart Iraq – a nation that had done us no harm? You can ask some people on Unz that attend church if this is normal. Should those lose “peaceful house of worship” status?

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Bragadocious
    Legitimate question; do you think the mosque administration or congregation approved of them joining AQ?

    I don't know, why don't you ask them? Go to their FB page, ask 'em and get back to me. I wouldn't expect 100% honesty however.

    How many churches honored members of their congregation that joined the Marines or some armed forces and attacked and tore apart Iraq?

    I don't know that either, do you? And did these churches tell them to go out and kill innocents, or provide religious cover for such activities? Legitimate question.
    , @SunBakedSuburb
    What happened in Christchurch, the slaughter of innocents, is a horrific tragedy. Though from a Christian/Catholic background, I am not religious. But I believe Christianity, Judaism, and Islam all have positive and negative aspects. I lived in a rough neighborhood between 2006-2008 that was home to a Mosque. And that place of worship, with its devout adherents and families, was a beacon of peace in that neighborhood.

    Because I'm a conspiracy nut I think it's important to look into the mass murderer's background. It would suit the Zio-Global agenda to shut down communication venues like 8chan and to further restrict the right to own firearms. From what I've seen of the murderer's manifesto, it seems to fit the Zio-Global talking points.

    There is much talk of white fragility from the Brooklyn-DC political celebrities. And how fragile whites fear the browning of America. This is part truth, part projection. Projection in that POC elites, particularly blacks, want to see the erasure of the perceived problem of whiteness through massive illegal immigration. I think it's reasonable to assume the vast majority of whites do dread the inevitable browning for a number of reasons that are legitimate. Race tribalism, which runs deep in all of us, is primal.

    If, as the evidence suggests, the murderer was motivated by a nationalist/racialist agenda, then the leadership of Western countries that promiscuously open their borders to the non-Western world share some culpability for this slaughter. Through mass illegal immigration, they are creating needless tension, helplessness, and despair. Rage, and its consequences, soon follow.
  6. Blue checkmarks preempt a backlash by executing a frontlash. The bolder ones even use the opportunity to point out how the victimized population is the real problem.

    Along these same lines, if you look at how the college admissions scandal is being reported you can see a distortion and a dodge. I listened to two stories on the radio and in both of them the question was raised as to how this differs from a multi-millionaire buying admission by buying a hall or endowing a chair. In neither case was the question (a pretty good question) addressed. The responses segued into how wealthy (WPPs) are able to move to nice neighborhoods with good schools and an implication that this was somehow equivalent to bribery and fraud.

    Also notice how these celebrities and business people are not considered as crooks, but rather are treated sympathetically. It is an archetype of how the Borg pretends ignorance of the idea that the rules are for the little, ugly stupid people, not for them.

    Also notice that the crucial issue: meritocracy, is never addressed. Of course, some of us here know why we can’t get into the weeds on test scores and such.

  7. @Talha
    Anning is a Zionist chump. His actions are 100% predictable.

    http://www.jwire.com.au/a-motion-to-recognise-jerusalem-as-israels-capital-and-to-move-the-australia-embassy-there/

    https://plus61j.net.au/plus61j-voices/anning-katter-bolt-need-discuss-means-pro-israel/

    New Zealand laws are about to be hit massively by gun restrictions.

    If this shooter guy was a bonafide White nationalist, why barely any mention of Jews? Not even a little in respects to immigration policy. Really?
    https://muslimskeptic.com/2019/03/16/oddities-in-the-new-zealand-muslim-mass-shooting-case/

    Peace.

    Also, this edit is hilarious:
    https://twitter.com/SanaSaeed/status/1106814010035503104

    Talha, everything is not about ‘dem Jews. It is unlikely that they are behind this.

  8. @Talha
    Legitimate question; do you think the mosque administration or congregation approved of them joining AQ? Are the congregants that did not join AQ the same as the ones that did? Simple question really.

    How many churches honored members of their congregation that joined the Marines or some armed forces and attacked and tore apart Iraq - a nation that had done us no harm? You can ask some people on Unz that attend church if this is normal. Should those lose “peaceful house of worship” status?

    Peace.

    Legitimate question; do you think the mosque administration or congregation approved of them joining AQ?

    I don’t know, why don’t you ask them? Go to their FB page, ask ’em and get back to me. I wouldn’t expect 100% honesty however.

    How many churches honored members of their congregation that joined the Marines or some armed forces and attacked and tore apart Iraq?

    I don’t know that either, do you? And did these churches tell them to go out and kill innocents, or provide religious cover for such activities? Legitimate question.

    • Replies: @Talha
    You’re leveling the accusation - I don’t feel like doing your work for you.

    Look, I’ve attended plenty of mosques and I know how they operate, there could easily be a AQ member in any of those congregations. There is no bar to coming into the mosque and attending prayer, we don’t have member lists (except some have those for some people who are “voting members”). You could attend a mosque and never contribute a dime. The presence of that person would have zero bearing on how the other people felt about it.

    I don’t know that either, do you?
     
    I’m asking. I don’t attend church. I know a guy around here, Chuck Orlorski, mentions that he has to grit his teeth (since he didn’t support it) when his church honors soldiers who fought.

    And did these churches tell them to go out and kill innocents, or provide religious cover for such activities?
     
    Well neither did the mosque. I mean unless you have evidence.

    Peace.
  9. I’m not of the Dem Joos done everything persuasion because I think that is a catch all for everything, but there are some very legitimate red flags here.

    How many White Nationalists around here constantly mention Jewish influences on European immigration policies? Ok – and this guy wrote a huge note explaining why he did what he did and barely mentioned Jews? Really? Was he afraid of offending people?

    That’s fishy bro. Is he working for Mossad or something, I have no clue, that’s not what I’m saying – but there is something really off about the whole thing. Multiple shooters, etc.

    Or it may simply be a guy that got crazed up over the internet, Lord knows we have those guys too.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Talha
    Man armed with multiple assault rifles and hundreds of rounds of ammunition

    vs

    Afghan with credit card reader within arm’s reach

    Result: Decisive Afghan Victory

    https://www.twitter.com/IlmFeed/status/1107002486311796736

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/new-zealand-mosque-attack-survivor-1.5059407?__vfz=medium%3Dsharebar

    Peace.
    , @iffen
    How many White Nationalists around here constantly mention Jewish influences on European immigration policies? Ok

    Most of them, but there are some that are not confounded by the JQ. The AMREN bunch for example, or Derbyshire. I do agree that it was unusual for him to not mention the Jews with regard to immigration.

    What would be the the reason for Mossad targeting this Mosque?
    , @Grahamsno(G64)
    European White Nationalists are not into Jews and in fact admire Israel for kicking Muslim ass. The Jewish obsession is mainly an American thing.
  10. @Bragadocious
    Legitimate question; do you think the mosque administration or congregation approved of them joining AQ?

    I don't know, why don't you ask them? Go to their FB page, ask 'em and get back to me. I wouldn't expect 100% honesty however.

    How many churches honored members of their congregation that joined the Marines or some armed forces and attacked and tore apart Iraq?

    I don't know that either, do you? And did these churches tell them to go out and kill innocents, or provide religious cover for such activities? Legitimate question.

    You’re leveling the accusation – I don’t feel like doing your work for you.

    Look, I’ve attended plenty of mosques and I know how they operate, there could easily be a AQ member in any of those congregations. There is no bar to coming into the mosque and attending prayer, we don’t have member lists (except some have those for some people who are “voting members”). You could attend a mosque and never contribute a dime. The presence of that person would have zero bearing on how the other people felt about it.

    I don’t know that either, do you?

    I’m asking. I don’t attend church. I know a guy around here, Chuck Orlorski, mentions that he has to grit his teeth (since he didn’t support it) when his church honors soldiers who fought.

    And did these churches tell them to go out and kill innocents, or provide religious cover for such activities?

    Well neither did the mosque. I mean unless you have evidence.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Bragadocious
    You’re leveling the accusation – I don’t feel like doing your work for you

    Excuse me?

    From the story I posted: "The parents of an Australian killed alongside Jones say their son was taught radical Islam in Christchurch, where he also met Mr. Jones."

    "His parents, Neill and Bronwyn Dowrick, say their son told them he was first taught radical Islam at the Al Noor mosque in Addington."

    So you see, any accusations came far before my innocent post.

    I know a guy around here, Chuck Orlorski, mentions that he has to grit his teeth (since he didn’t support it) when his church honors soldiers who fought


    Clearly, if the churches are honoring soldiers who fought in a war Chuck opposes, that means the soldiers massacred innocents. Seems logically air-tight.
  11. @Talha
    I’m not of the Dem Joos done everything persuasion because I think that is a catch all for everything, but there are some very legitimate red flags here.

    How many White Nationalists around here constantly mention Jewish influences on European immigration policies? Ok - and this guy wrote a huge note explaining why he did what he did and barely mentioned Jews? Really? Was he afraid of offending people?

    That’s fishy bro. Is he working for Mossad or something, I have no clue, that’s not what I’m saying - but there is something really off about the whole thing. Multiple shooters, etc.

    Or it may simply be a guy that got crazed up over the internet, Lord knows we have those guys too.

    Peace.

    Man armed with multiple assault rifles and hundreds of rounds of ammunition

    vs

    Afghan with credit card reader within arm’s reach

    Result: Decisive Afghan Victory

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/new-zealand-mosque-attack-survivor-1.5059407?__vfz=medium%3Dsharebar

    Peace.

  12. @Talha
    You’re leveling the accusation - I don’t feel like doing your work for you.

    Look, I’ve attended plenty of mosques and I know how they operate, there could easily be a AQ member in any of those congregations. There is no bar to coming into the mosque and attending prayer, we don’t have member lists (except some have those for some people who are “voting members”). You could attend a mosque and never contribute a dime. The presence of that person would have zero bearing on how the other people felt about it.

    I don’t know that either, do you?
     
    I’m asking. I don’t attend church. I know a guy around here, Chuck Orlorski, mentions that he has to grit his teeth (since he didn’t support it) when his church honors soldiers who fought.

    And did these churches tell them to go out and kill innocents, or provide religious cover for such activities?
     
    Well neither did the mosque. I mean unless you have evidence.

    Peace.

    You’re leveling the accusation – I don’t feel like doing your work for you

    Excuse me?

    From the story I posted: “The parents of an Australian killed alongside Jones say their son was taught radical Islam in Christchurch, where he also met Mr. Jones.”

    “His parents, Neill and Bronwyn Dowrick, say their son told them he was first taught radical Islam at the Al Noor mosque in Addington.”

    So you see, any accusations came far before my innocent post.

    I know a guy around here, Chuck Orlorski, mentions that he has to grit his teeth (since he didn’t support it) when his church honors soldiers who fought

    Clearly, if the churches are honoring soldiers who fought in a war Chuck opposes, that means the soldiers massacred innocents. Seems logically air-tight.

    • Replies: @Talha

    From the story I posted
     
    Quite an interesting story actually, I found some more on it:

    https://www.newshub.co.nz/nznews/christchurch-mosque-linked-to-alqaida-suspect-2014060417

    http://i.stuff.co.nz/the-press/10120347/Drone-victims-radicalised-at-mosque

    Very odd story. One article claims that one of the convert extremists stated to his parents that he was being taught radical Islam at one mosque, so he left to another one. But then ended up getting droned in Yemen? So he understood what radicalization was and vocally stated he didn't like it, left to another mosque, but then got radicalized anyway? OK...

    Second thing, both articles state that New Zealand intelligence services had a presence there and monitoring activity in the area specifically to combat radicalization. Is that incompetence on a massive scale or collusion?

    Third thing, I'm still not getting anything stating who was radicalizing these guys even if we assume it was at the mosque. In a medium to large mosque, it is simply a large empty area. People come in and out of it all the time. People hold informal gatherings all the time in small or big groups to study hadith, jurisprudence, whatever. In one of my local mosques, my kids go sit with a Qur'an teacher in the corner and memorize Qur'an, it has no formal association with the mosque board, we never sought approval - nobody asks. Anybody could sit and hold a small study circle and the administration wouldn't know or wouldn't care. Now maybe they should and perhaps it's on them for possibly being negligent, but unless you make a big noise, they are fairly informal places.

    When guys like this make a bunch of noise, they get expelled, otherwise nobody would care to ask what a small group of guys is teaching in some corner (doesn't mean the administration or general congregation approves):
    “By the time Benyettou was 22, Filiu writes, he was spending his time perusing jihadi websites and dressing in garb that primarily only Muslim preachers wore. When the mosque he belonged to expelled him, he joined another; it was there, The Washington Post says, that he worked as a janitor and met Cherif Kouachi.”
    “Benyettou operated in the margins of the religious community, defying the older imams and scorning their speeches,” Filiu writes. Benyettou, whom followers called Abu Abdallah, Filiu adds, “built up his own brand of Salafi-esque preaching, far from any established guidance, with a strong emphasis on jihad.”
    http://www.newsweek.com/meet-farid-benyettou-man-who-trained-paris-attack-suspect-cherif-kouachi-298028

    who fought in a war Chuck opposes, that means the soldiers massacred innocents
     
    Chuck was a simple example. That innocents were massacred in an unjustifiable and non-defensive war is not even questionable. Some soldiers did it intentionally (some were court martialed, some never got caught) and some did it unintentionally (I met a Marine who was in charge of a unit that opened fire on a mini-bus and killed almost all of the 10 or so people inside - he didn't mean to, but they're still dead). We have international rules that prevent aggressive wars. If we go to war against some country that did us no harm, it is a war of choice and in modern war, there is absolutely no doubt that innocents will be killed, lots of them (in fact, the majority of people killed in modern conflicts are civilians - it's been like that for a long time because of our modern weaponry) - this is not fighting in some battle plain like Yarmouk or Agincourt. It is because of this certainty that I will never support a war of unprovoked aggression.

    And again, you are asking for specific evidence that some church would honor a soldier that intentionally killed innocent people. This is good, you should demand this level of evidence. I don't have it.

    I'm asking for the same about the mosque and their administration.

    Peace.
  13. @Talha
    I’m not of the Dem Joos done everything persuasion because I think that is a catch all for everything, but there are some very legitimate red flags here.

    How many White Nationalists around here constantly mention Jewish influences on European immigration policies? Ok - and this guy wrote a huge note explaining why he did what he did and barely mentioned Jews? Really? Was he afraid of offending people?

    That’s fishy bro. Is he working for Mossad or something, I have no clue, that’s not what I’m saying - but there is something really off about the whole thing. Multiple shooters, etc.

    Or it may simply be a guy that got crazed up over the internet, Lord knows we have those guys too.

    Peace.

    How many White Nationalists around here constantly mention Jewish influences on European immigration policies? Ok

    Most of them, but there are some that are not confounded by the JQ. The AMREN bunch for example, or Derbyshire. I do agree that it was unusual for him to not mention the Jews with regard to immigration.

    What would be the the reason for Mossad targeting this Mosque?

    • Replies: @Talha

    What would be the the reason for Mossad targeting this Mosque?
     
    I don't know, but I can see the motivation for whoever did this to be one of two:

    1) Kill a bunch of Muslims in such a way as to try to kick off copycat killers and a chain reaction to force the Muslims out
    2) Pull off something so horrific and revolting to the common person that the calculated political reaction will be three fold; 1) massive intelligence/surveillance uptick against White nationalism, 2) crack down on ownership of weapons, 3) removal of barriers to immigration (by associating people who want to block immigration with extremists)

    Peace.
  14. Afghan guy. Braver than white guys. By a long shot. And street-smarter. Saves many lives. But his IQ must be low because of his race. And so he deserves nothing.

    • Replies: @Athletic and Whitesplosive
    Obwandiyag, dumb guy. Dumber than white guys, by a long shot. Also worse poster. Wastes people's time. His IQ must be low because of his race. He deserves nothing, least of all a serious response.
  15. @obwandiyag
    Afghan guy. Braver than white guys. By a long shot. And street-smarter. Saves many lives. But his IQ must be low because of his race. And so he deserves nothing.

    Obwandiyag, dumb guy. Dumber than white guys, by a long shot. Also worse poster. Wastes people’s time. His IQ must be low because of his race. He deserves nothing, least of all a serious response.

  16. @iffen
    How many White Nationalists around here constantly mention Jewish influences on European immigration policies? Ok

    Most of them, but there are some that are not confounded by the JQ. The AMREN bunch for example, or Derbyshire. I do agree that it was unusual for him to not mention the Jews with regard to immigration.

    What would be the the reason for Mossad targeting this Mosque?

    What would be the the reason for Mossad targeting this Mosque?

    I don’t know, but I can see the motivation for whoever did this to be one of two:

    1) Kill a bunch of Muslims in such a way as to try to kick off copycat killers and a chain reaction to force the Muslims out
    2) Pull off something so horrific and revolting to the common person that the calculated political reaction will be three fold; 1) massive intelligence/surveillance uptick against White nationalism, 2) crack down on ownership of weapons, 3) removal of barriers to immigration (by associating people who want to block immigration with extremists)

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Talha
    Check...
    "Attorney General: NZ will ban semi-automatic weapons"
    https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/politics/attorney-general-david-parker-vows-government-will-ban-semi-automatic-rifles/

    Check...
    "Christchurch shooting not affecting terror threat in NSW, but right-wing extremists a 'primary focus'
    The NSW Police Commissioner says he is looking at boosting resources into the anti-terrorism squad focused on right-wing extremists in the wake of yesterday's Christchurch shooting."
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-03-16/christchurch-shooting-sparks-right-wing-police-focus-in-nsw/10908072

    New Zealand seems isolated and small-scale enough as a nation to serve as a working experiment.

    Peace.
    , @iffen
    I discount the probability of both prongs of #1.

    I don't know of any way to determine who is a provocateur and who is not so I can't disregard #2.
    , @iffen
    2) crack down on ownership of weapons

    I can't speak to Europe, NZ and Australia, but IMO this is the only move that would provoke widespread violence by whites in the US. Those of us in the hinterland are pessimistic about political change protecting our interests. (Why should we expect change after observing the last 50 years or so.)Trump is a Hail Mary. Most are reconciled to being a "minority." Gun ownership is the security blanket. Try and take the security blanket away and there will be blood.

    , @Audacious Epigone
    Is there a good, objective summary of the 'manifesto' somewhere you're aware of?

    When it comes to the JQ and violence, there seems to be a lot of overlap. Not all of those who are hardcore anti-Jewish espouse violence, but so far as I'm aware virtually all of those who espouse violence are hardcore anti-Jewish. For a shooter to write up nearly 80 pages without much mentioning the JQ is especially unexpected. I'm hoping someone has gone through the thing because I don't think I'm up to the task.
  17. @Bragadocious
    You’re leveling the accusation – I don’t feel like doing your work for you

    Excuse me?

    From the story I posted: "The parents of an Australian killed alongside Jones say their son was taught radical Islam in Christchurch, where he also met Mr. Jones."

    "His parents, Neill and Bronwyn Dowrick, say their son told them he was first taught radical Islam at the Al Noor mosque in Addington."

    So you see, any accusations came far before my innocent post.

    I know a guy around here, Chuck Orlorski, mentions that he has to grit his teeth (since he didn’t support it) when his church honors soldiers who fought


    Clearly, if the churches are honoring soldiers who fought in a war Chuck opposes, that means the soldiers massacred innocents. Seems logically air-tight.

    From the story I posted

    Quite an interesting story actually, I found some more on it:

    https://www.newshub.co.nz/nznews/christchurch-mosque-linked-to-alqaida-suspect-2014060417

    http://i.stuff.co.nz/the-press/10120347/Drone-victims-radicalised-at-mosque

    Very odd story. One article claims that one of the convert extremists stated to his parents that he was being taught radical Islam at one mosque, so he left to another one. But then ended up getting droned in Yemen? So he understood what radicalization was and vocally stated he didn’t like it, left to another mosque, but then got radicalized anyway? OK…

    Second thing, both articles state that New Zealand intelligence services had a presence there and monitoring activity in the area specifically to combat radicalization. Is that incompetence on a massive scale or collusion?

    Third thing, I’m still not getting anything stating who was radicalizing these guys even if we assume it was at the mosque. In a medium to large mosque, it is simply a large empty area. People come in and out of it all the time. People hold informal gatherings all the time in small or big groups to study hadith, jurisprudence, whatever. In one of my local mosques, my kids go sit with a Qur’an teacher in the corner and memorize Qur’an, it has no formal association with the mosque board, we never sought approval – nobody asks. Anybody could sit and hold a small study circle and the administration wouldn’t know or wouldn’t care. Now maybe they should and perhaps it’s on them for possibly being negligent, but unless you make a big noise, they are fairly informal places.

    When guys like this make a bunch of noise, they get expelled, otherwise nobody would care to ask what a small group of guys is teaching in some corner (doesn’t mean the administration or general congregation approves):
    “By the time Benyettou was 22, Filiu writes, he was spending his time perusing jihadi websites and dressing in garb that primarily only Muslim preachers wore. When the mosque he belonged to expelled him, he joined another; it was there, The Washington Post says, that he worked as a janitor and met Cherif Kouachi.”
    “Benyettou operated in the margins of the religious community, defying the older imams and scorning their speeches,” Filiu writes. Benyettou, whom followers called Abu Abdallah, Filiu adds, “built up his own brand of Salafi-esque preaching, far from any established guidance, with a strong emphasis on jihad.”
    http://www.newsweek.com/meet-farid-benyettou-man-who-trained-paris-attack-suspect-cherif-kouachi-298028

    who fought in a war Chuck opposes, that means the soldiers massacred innocents

    Chuck was a simple example. That innocents were massacred in an unjustifiable and non-defensive war is not even questionable. Some soldiers did it intentionally (some were court martialed, some never got caught) and some did it unintentionally (I met a Marine who was in charge of a unit that opened fire on a mini-bus and killed almost all of the 10 or so people inside – he didn’t mean to, but they’re still dead). We have international rules that prevent aggressive wars. If we go to war against some country that did us no harm, it is a war of choice and in modern war, there is absolutely no doubt that innocents will be killed, lots of them (in fact, the majority of people killed in modern conflicts are civilians – it’s been like that for a long time because of our modern weaponry) – this is not fighting in some battle plain like Yarmouk or Agincourt. It is because of this certainty that I will never support a war of unprovoked aggression.

    And again, you are asking for specific evidence that some church would honor a soldier that intentionally killed innocent people. This is good, you should demand this level of evidence. I don’t have it.

    I’m asking for the same about the mosque and their administration.

    Peace.

  18. @Talha

    What would be the the reason for Mossad targeting this Mosque?
     
    I don't know, but I can see the motivation for whoever did this to be one of two:

    1) Kill a bunch of Muslims in such a way as to try to kick off copycat killers and a chain reaction to force the Muslims out
    2) Pull off something so horrific and revolting to the common person that the calculated political reaction will be three fold; 1) massive intelligence/surveillance uptick against White nationalism, 2) crack down on ownership of weapons, 3) removal of barriers to immigration (by associating people who want to block immigration with extremists)

    Peace.

    Check…
    “Attorney General: NZ will ban semi-automatic weapons”
    https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/politics/attorney-general-david-parker-vows-government-will-ban-semi-automatic-rifles/

    Check…
    “Christchurch shooting not affecting terror threat in NSW, but right-wing extremists a ‘primary focus’
    The NSW Police Commissioner says he is looking at boosting resources into the anti-terrorism squad focused on right-wing extremists in the wake of yesterday’s Christchurch shooting.”
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-03-16/christchurch-shooting-sparks-right-wing-police-focus-in-nsw/10908072

    New Zealand seems isolated and small-scale enough as a nation to serve as a working experiment.

    Peace.

  19. Time line to Torba and other Gab employees being indicted in foreign courts, and extradited by a future Dem administration?

    I’d even add the possibility of extordinary renditions and assiassination attempts by intelligence agencies.

  20. • Replies: @Grahamsno(G64)

    I understand the temptation of whataboutism when your tribe commits violence but hard righties should probably begin examining why their fringe is both politically inert and why it vomits up deranged psychopaths with startling regularity (hint: these things are linked)
     
    They are politically inert because your average White nationalist is a compulsive obsessive nigger, nigger, kike, kike, shitskin, mud spouting , sieg Heiling, Hitler worshiping, woman hating socially maladjusted paranoid racist crackpot whose political views advocate ethnic cleansing and genocide. With such leprous views all polite society shun them. It's a pity because their core concerns are real the loss of White political power due to declining demographics caused by mass immigration and declining fertility rates. But they just can't clean up their act because of the character of the average white nationalist. It's the same with Islam it can't clean up its act because a substantial number of Muslims are hateful fanatical assholes.
    , @216
    https://twitter.com/CatlinNyaa/status/1107289659460194304

    While perhaps partially true, it is unproductive to give out false equivalency. The left's amount of terrorist deaths is far below ours, as is the number of attacks. This is not surprising when you consider the main goal of far-left terrorism, which is the destruction of property.

    We have a problem of a nihilistic violent fringe, and every violent action sets us back in mainstream politics.
  21. @Talha
    I’m not of the Dem Joos done everything persuasion because I think that is a catch all for everything, but there are some very legitimate red flags here.

    How many White Nationalists around here constantly mention Jewish influences on European immigration policies? Ok - and this guy wrote a huge note explaining why he did what he did and barely mentioned Jews? Really? Was he afraid of offending people?

    That’s fishy bro. Is he working for Mossad or something, I have no clue, that’s not what I’m saying - but there is something really off about the whole thing. Multiple shooters, etc.

    Or it may simply be a guy that got crazed up over the internet, Lord knows we have those guys too.

    Peace.

    European White Nationalists are not into Jews and in fact admire Israel for kicking Muslim ass. The Jewish obsession is mainly an American thing.

    • Agree: jim jones
  22. @Talha

    What would be the the reason for Mossad targeting this Mosque?
     
    I don't know, but I can see the motivation for whoever did this to be one of two:

    1) Kill a bunch of Muslims in such a way as to try to kick off copycat killers and a chain reaction to force the Muslims out
    2) Pull off something so horrific and revolting to the common person that the calculated political reaction will be three fold; 1) massive intelligence/surveillance uptick against White nationalism, 2) crack down on ownership of weapons, 3) removal of barriers to immigration (by associating people who want to block immigration with extremists)

    Peace.

    I discount the probability of both prongs of #1.

    I don’t know of any way to determine who is a provocateur and who is not so I can’t disregard #2.

  23. In the UK the police are guarding mosques. Shouldn’t they be guarding churches?

    I understand where AE is coming from re single and double standards, but single is only de facto, not de jure – in other words most people can see a double standard if its pointed out to them.

    9/11 – police guard mosques, Bush says Islam is religion of peace (and then attacks Iraq, but who said consistency was a virtue?)

    Tube bombings, Bataclan, Nice, Berlin, dozens of others (who remembers Madrid now *?) – police guard mosques.

    Where are the Guardian editorials telling people not to tar all nationalists with the same brush, and that the overwhelming majority of nationalists are peaceful and good citizens? It’s more “Get Them!“.

    * Brits used to laugh (in the bygone days when the UK was low crime) at the 500 year sentences handed down in the US. But Spanish courts gave one of the Madrid guys 42,922 years!

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
    This concept is strange isn't it. To a normal person - it is a double standard:

    Person from Group M attacks Group W and Group W responds by protecting assets of Group M

    Person from Group W attacks Group M and Group W responds by protecting assets from...Group M.

    But, to the people in charge, they have determined that Group M is always good, and Group W is always bad, so not matter what the circumstance, Group M must always be protected from Group W.

    In that regard, they are adhering to one standard consistently.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    Whether it's a Muslim shooting a bunch of non-Muslims or a non-Muslim shooting a bunch of Muslims, the response in the West is the same: Guard the mosques!
  24. @Talha

    What would be the the reason for Mossad targeting this Mosque?
     
    I don't know, but I can see the motivation for whoever did this to be one of two:

    1) Kill a bunch of Muslims in such a way as to try to kick off copycat killers and a chain reaction to force the Muslims out
    2) Pull off something so horrific and revolting to the common person that the calculated political reaction will be three fold; 1) massive intelligence/surveillance uptick against White nationalism, 2) crack down on ownership of weapons, 3) removal of barriers to immigration (by associating people who want to block immigration with extremists)

    Peace.

    2) crack down on ownership of weapons

    I can’t speak to Europe, NZ and Australia, but IMO this is the only move that would provoke widespread violence by whites in the US. Those of us in the hinterland are pessimistic about political change protecting our interests. (Why should we expect change after observing the last 50 years or so.)Trump is a Hail Mary. Most are reconciled to being a “minority.” Gun ownership is the security blanket. Try and take the security blanket away and there will be blood.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Talha
    Totally makes sense. I can tell you what the mood is in Muslim circles, especially in the traditional ones.

    No one is asking for gun-rights to be taken away. In fact, the ulema are telling brothers to get tactical and not be sitting ducks; getting a gun and getting training on how to use it well to protect our places of worship and families. Of course this is in the immigrant community. The African American community already had brothers that came out full gear last Friday:
    https://twitter.com/Abuamerican/status/1106671811012542465

    If someone tries this kind of Baruch Goldstein nonsense in one of our masjids, we will try to make sure he doesn't leave the premises alive. Hopefully, "Allahu Akbar" is the last thing the guy hears before checking out permanently.

    Long story short, the Muslims I know are down for standing our ground with keeping the 2nd Amendment alive.

    Peace.
    , @Grahamsno(G64)

    Try and take the security blanket away and there will be blood.
     
    The Christchurch killer stated that in his manifesto that he hoped that this massacre would trigger a gun grab in the US which would end in a Civil War. I read his extraordinary manifesto was stunned that a 28 year old with such poor grades in School that he didn't attend college could have such woke and articulate political views. If he's not an outlier and there are tens of millions of young men with his view there's hope after all for White Nationalism. But you have to organize quickly and take control of the Republican Party for which as I said before you have to clean up your act.
    , @Joe Stalin
    Now you know why GUN REGISTRATION is the last stop before GUN CONFISCATION.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_country

    And why the Cosmopolitans expend so much effort trying to get the government involved in all firearms transactions.
  25. @216
    https://twitter.com/EvanPlatinum/status/1106662463569690625

    I understand the temptation of whataboutism when your tribe commits violence but hard righties should probably begin examining why their fringe is both politically inert and why it vomits up deranged psychopaths with startling regularity (hint: these things are linked)

    They are politically inert because your average White nationalist is a compulsive obsessive nigger, nigger, kike, kike, shitskin, mud spouting , sieg Heiling, Hitler worshiping, woman hating socially maladjusted paranoid racist crackpot whose political views advocate ethnic cleansing and genocide. With such leprous views all polite society shun them. It’s a pity because their core concerns are real the loss of White political power due to declining demographics caused by mass immigration and declining fertility rates. But they just can’t clean up their act because of the character of the average white nationalist. It’s the same with Islam it can’t clean up its act because a substantial number of Muslims are hateful fanatical assholes.

    • Replies: @iffen
    Is your argument that we need nicer WNs?
    , @MikeatMikedotMike
    "They are politically inert because your average White nationalist is a compulsive obsessive nigger, nigger, kike, kike, shitskin, mud spouting , sieg Heiling, Hitler worshiping, woman hating socially maladjusted paranoid racist crackpot whose political views advocate ethnic cleansing and genocide. "


    This reply is actually for Twinkie - do you see what I was talking about from a few days ago about the imagery associated with the term "white nationalist? In an effort to not descend back into our previous back and firth, a yes or no will do. TIA.

    , @fnn
    Is that true, or are you watching too much MSM and too many Hollywood movies? In the more subdued era before Hailgate, Paul Gottfried once had some very complimentary things to say about the WN's he met at Amren conferences. I don't know, since I've never met any WN in IRL.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    See here. Thanks.
  26. @Grahamsno(G64)

    I understand the temptation of whataboutism when your tribe commits violence but hard righties should probably begin examining why their fringe is both politically inert and why it vomits up deranged psychopaths with startling regularity (hint: these things are linked)
     
    They are politically inert because your average White nationalist is a compulsive obsessive nigger, nigger, kike, kike, shitskin, mud spouting , sieg Heiling, Hitler worshiping, woman hating socially maladjusted paranoid racist crackpot whose political views advocate ethnic cleansing and genocide. With such leprous views all polite society shun them. It's a pity because their core concerns are real the loss of White political power due to declining demographics caused by mass immigration and declining fertility rates. But they just can't clean up their act because of the character of the average white nationalist. It's the same with Islam it can't clean up its act because a substantial number of Muslims are hateful fanatical assholes.

    Is your argument that we need nicer WNs?

    • Replies: @Grahamsno(G64)
    If you want to be taken seriously - yes. Just shitposting on the net will not achieve your aims.
  27. @iffen
    Is your argument that we need nicer WNs?

    If you want to be taken seriously – yes. Just shitposting on the net will not achieve your aims.

  28. @iffen
    2) crack down on ownership of weapons

    I can't speak to Europe, NZ and Australia, but IMO this is the only move that would provoke widespread violence by whites in the US. Those of us in the hinterland are pessimistic about political change protecting our interests. (Why should we expect change after observing the last 50 years or so.)Trump is a Hail Mary. Most are reconciled to being a "minority." Gun ownership is the security blanket. Try and take the security blanket away and there will be blood.

    Totally makes sense. I can tell you what the mood is in Muslim circles, especially in the traditional ones.

    No one is asking for gun-rights to be taken away. In fact, the ulema are telling brothers to get tactical and not be sitting ducks; getting a gun and getting training on how to use it well to protect our places of worship and families. Of course this is in the immigrant community. The African American community already had brothers that came out full gear last Friday:

    If someone tries this kind of Baruch Goldstein nonsense in one of our masjids, we will try to make sure he doesn’t leave the premises alive. Hopefully, “Allahu Akbar” is the last thing the guy hears before checking out permanently.

    Long story short, the Muslims I know are down for standing our ground with keeping the 2nd Amendment alive.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    "this kind of Baruch Goldstein nonsense" - that's the correct description. This guy didn't go full Breivik (IIRC Breivik targeted those Norwegians he saw as traitors), he went full Goldstein.
    , @Joe Stalin
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkG3T6ICWqo
  29. @Talha
    Totally makes sense. I can tell you what the mood is in Muslim circles, especially in the traditional ones.

    No one is asking for gun-rights to be taken away. In fact, the ulema are telling brothers to get tactical and not be sitting ducks; getting a gun and getting training on how to use it well to protect our places of worship and families. Of course this is in the immigrant community. The African American community already had brothers that came out full gear last Friday:
    https://twitter.com/Abuamerican/status/1106671811012542465

    If someone tries this kind of Baruch Goldstein nonsense in one of our masjids, we will try to make sure he doesn't leave the premises alive. Hopefully, "Allahu Akbar" is the last thing the guy hears before checking out permanently.

    Long story short, the Muslims I know are down for standing our ground with keeping the 2nd Amendment alive.

    Peace.

    “this kind of Baruch Goldstein nonsense” – that’s the correct description. This guy didn’t go full Breivik (IIRC Breivik targeted those Norwegians he saw as traitors), he went full Goldstein.

    • Replies: @Talha
    Maybe another reason why he didn't mention Jews much in his document; that he has a lot in common with hardcore Zionist extremists...?

    Goldstein was the first one I can think of that came up with the idea of shooting Muslims in the back while they are praying in a congregation. Of course, that congregation mobbed him and beat him to dead with their hands (good for them). He killed around 30...which goes to show (as does this guy running away from an attacking Afghan), you have a much better chance of survival by fighting back, even with bare hands.

    Peace.
  30. @iffen
    2) crack down on ownership of weapons

    I can't speak to Europe, NZ and Australia, but IMO this is the only move that would provoke widespread violence by whites in the US. Those of us in the hinterland are pessimistic about political change protecting our interests. (Why should we expect change after observing the last 50 years or so.)Trump is a Hail Mary. Most are reconciled to being a "minority." Gun ownership is the security blanket. Try and take the security blanket away and there will be blood.

    Try and take the security blanket away and there will be blood.

    The Christchurch killer stated that in his manifesto that he hoped that this massacre would trigger a gun grab in the US which would end in a Civil War. I read his extraordinary manifesto was stunned that a 28 year old with such poor grades in School that he didn’t attend college could have such woke and articulate political views. If he’s not an outlier and there are tens of millions of young men with his view there’s hope after all for White Nationalism. But you have to organize quickly and take control of the Republican Party for which as I said before you have to clean up your act.

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
    "I read his extraordinary manifesto was stunned that a 28 year old with such poor grades in School that he didn’t attend college could have such woke and articulate political views. "

    Why would you be stunned? High school and college stopped teaching people how to think a long time ago. Presently, a determined individual can educate himself better than any public education institution.
    , @iffen
    could have such woke and articulate political views


    Other than ignoring the fact that doing away with the 2nd amendment would require total control of the House, the Senate, the Presidency and the Supreme Court, yeah, woke and knowledgeable.

    I'm not confidant that that will not eventually happen, but I don't think that it will be anytime soon.

    If he’s not an outlier


    Unless there are 20-30 of these attacks every day then by definition he is an outlier.


    Organized groups defeat individuals. Been that way since before we split from the chimps.

  31. @YetAnotherAnon
    "this kind of Baruch Goldstein nonsense" - that's the correct description. This guy didn't go full Breivik (IIRC Breivik targeted those Norwegians he saw as traitors), he went full Goldstein.

    Maybe another reason why he didn’t mention Jews much in his document; that he has a lot in common with hardcore Zionist extremists…?

    Goldstein was the first one I can think of that came up with the idea of shooting Muslims in the back while they are praying in a congregation. Of course, that congregation mobbed him and beat him to dead with their hands (good for them). He killed around 30…which goes to show (as does this guy running away from an attacking Afghan), you have a much better chance of survival by fighting back, even with bare hands.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational

    Goldstein was the first one I can think of that came up with the idea of shooting Muslims in the back while they are praying in a congregation.
     
    This is why I'm sure these are all psyops.  A serious attempt to wipe out a whole bunch of people would start by blocking exits and planting firebombs, then shooting the few who get through the gauntlet of flames.  A rifle has a lot less potential for fatalities than home-made napalm.  Yet these things are set up to produce video, not the maximum number of dead enemies.  Somebody is selecting these tactics for maximum impact on "right-wing extremists" (anyone who might be ready to resist attack either by invaders or a power-grabbing government), not the alleged targets.  And that is exactly what's happening in New Zealand:  the real targets are gun owners, and they are being hit right now.
  32. @YetAnotherAnon
    In the UK the police are guarding mosques. Shouldn't they be guarding churches?

    I understand where AE is coming from re single and double standards, but single is only de facto, not de jure - in other words most people can see a double standard if its pointed out to them.

    9/11 - police guard mosques, Bush says Islam is religion of peace (and then attacks Iraq, but who said consistency was a virtue?)

    Tube bombings, Bataclan, Nice, Berlin, dozens of others (who remembers Madrid now *?) - police guard mosques.

    Where are the Guardian editorials telling people not to tar all nationalists with the same brush, and that the overwhelming majority of nationalists are peaceful and good citizens? It's more "Get Them!".


    * Brits used to laugh (in the bygone days when the UK was low crime) at the 500 year sentences handed down in the US. But Spanish courts gave one of the Madrid guys 42,922 years!

    This concept is strange isn’t it. To a normal person – it is a double standard:

    Person from Group M attacks Group W and Group W responds by protecting assets of Group M

    Person from Group W attacks Group M and Group W responds by protecting assets from…Group M.

    But, to the people in charge, they have determined that Group M is always good, and Group W is always bad, so not matter what the circumstance, Group M must always be protected from Group W.

    In that regard, they are adhering to one standard consistently.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
  33. @Grahamsno(G64)

    I understand the temptation of whataboutism when your tribe commits violence but hard righties should probably begin examining why their fringe is both politically inert and why it vomits up deranged psychopaths with startling regularity (hint: these things are linked)
     
    They are politically inert because your average White nationalist is a compulsive obsessive nigger, nigger, kike, kike, shitskin, mud spouting , sieg Heiling, Hitler worshiping, woman hating socially maladjusted paranoid racist crackpot whose political views advocate ethnic cleansing and genocide. With such leprous views all polite society shun them. It's a pity because their core concerns are real the loss of White political power due to declining demographics caused by mass immigration and declining fertility rates. But they just can't clean up their act because of the character of the average white nationalist. It's the same with Islam it can't clean up its act because a substantial number of Muslims are hateful fanatical assholes.

    “They are politically inert because your average White nationalist is a compulsive obsessive nigger, nigger, kike, kike, shitskin, mud spouting , sieg Heiling, Hitler worshiping, woman hating socially maladjusted paranoid racist crackpot whose political views advocate ethnic cleansing and genocide. ”

    This reply is actually for Twinkie – do you see what I was talking about from a few days ago about the imagery associated with the term “white nationalist? In an effort to not descend back into our previous back and firth, a yes or no will do. TIA.

  34. @Grahamsno(G64)

    Try and take the security blanket away and there will be blood.
     
    The Christchurch killer stated that in his manifesto that he hoped that this massacre would trigger a gun grab in the US which would end in a Civil War. I read his extraordinary manifesto was stunned that a 28 year old with such poor grades in School that he didn't attend college could have such woke and articulate political views. If he's not an outlier and there are tens of millions of young men with his view there's hope after all for White Nationalism. But you have to organize quickly and take control of the Republican Party for which as I said before you have to clean up your act.

    “I read his extraordinary manifesto was stunned that a 28 year old with such poor grades in School that he didn’t attend college could have such woke and articulate political views. ”

    Why would you be stunned? High school and college stopped teaching people how to think a long time ago. Presently, a determined individual can educate himself better than any public education institution.

  35. @Grahamsno(G64)

    Try and take the security blanket away and there will be blood.
     
    The Christchurch killer stated that in his manifesto that he hoped that this massacre would trigger a gun grab in the US which would end in a Civil War. I read his extraordinary manifesto was stunned that a 28 year old with such poor grades in School that he didn't attend college could have such woke and articulate political views. If he's not an outlier and there are tens of millions of young men with his view there's hope after all for White Nationalism. But you have to organize quickly and take control of the Republican Party for which as I said before you have to clean up your act.

    could have such woke and articulate political views

    Other than ignoring the fact that doing away with the 2nd amendment would require total control of the House, the Senate, the Presidency and the Supreme Court, yeah, woke and knowledgeable.

    I’m not confidant that that will not eventually happen, but I don’t think that it will be anytime soon.

    If he’s not an outlier

    Unless there are 20-30 of these attacks every day then by definition he is an outlier.

    Organized groups defeat individuals. Been that way since before we split from the chimps.

  36. The shooter attacked the symptoms, not the cause.

    Cause: Jewish politicians and their White traitor open borders elite.
    Symptom: Mass of low IQ, hostile, 3rd world aliens flooding (invited) in.

    That said, I don’t think this changed anything. Most white nationalists are on the shooter’s intelligence level (surprisingly smart). In Ontario anyways, most white people just don’t care, apart from the basic “that’s sad”. I suspect quite a few are fed up with dealing with these people. A few cringe white liberals are putting up lovey signs outside of mosques.

    The MSM is pushing wailing Muslims non stop, they are very good at using taqqiya. I don’t feel too much sympathy for them. Open borders claims more victims.

    Anyways, media still hates whitey, they’ll use a whitey terror attack or an ISIS attack to hate us.

    • Agree: MikeatMikedotMike
  37. However, he is smart to leave the Jews alone. Boomers love Jews and hate Muslims. Anything against Jews will provoke an immediate and angry reaction from them. They are more mixed on their opinions of muslims.

    So from a tactical sense his actions are smart.

  38. @Talha
    Maybe another reason why he didn't mention Jews much in his document; that he has a lot in common with hardcore Zionist extremists...?

    Goldstein was the first one I can think of that came up with the idea of shooting Muslims in the back while they are praying in a congregation. Of course, that congregation mobbed him and beat him to dead with their hands (good for them). He killed around 30...which goes to show (as does this guy running away from an attacking Afghan), you have a much better chance of survival by fighting back, even with bare hands.

    Peace.

    Goldstein was the first one I can think of that came up with the idea of shooting Muslims in the back while they are praying in a congregation.

    This is why I’m sure these are all psyops.  A serious attempt to wipe out a whole bunch of people would start by blocking exits and planting firebombs, then shooting the few who get through the gauntlet of flames.  A rifle has a lot less potential for fatalities than home-made napalm.  Yet these things are set up to produce video, not the maximum number of dead enemies.  Somebody is selecting these tactics for maximum impact on “right-wing extremists” (anyone who might be ready to resist attack either by invaders or a power-grabbing government), not the alleged targets.  And that is exactly what’s happening in New Zealand:  the real targets are gun owners, and they are being hit right now.

  39. @iffen
    2) crack down on ownership of weapons

    I can't speak to Europe, NZ and Australia, but IMO this is the only move that would provoke widespread violence by whites in the US. Those of us in the hinterland are pessimistic about political change protecting our interests. (Why should we expect change after observing the last 50 years or so.)Trump is a Hail Mary. Most are reconciled to being a "minority." Gun ownership is the security blanket. Try and take the security blanket away and there will be blood.

    Now you know why GUN REGISTRATION is the last stop before GUN CONFISCATION.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_country

    And why the Cosmopolitans expend so much effort trying to get the government involved in all firearms transactions.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @iffen
    I guess I'm going to have to finally join the NRA. Maybe I should get some guns first. I haven't had one since my son took my 12 gauge that my Dad bought for me when I was 15.
  40. @Talha
    Totally makes sense. I can tell you what the mood is in Muslim circles, especially in the traditional ones.

    No one is asking for gun-rights to be taken away. In fact, the ulema are telling brothers to get tactical and not be sitting ducks; getting a gun and getting training on how to use it well to protect our places of worship and families. Of course this is in the immigrant community. The African American community already had brothers that came out full gear last Friday:
    https://twitter.com/Abuamerican/status/1106671811012542465

    If someone tries this kind of Baruch Goldstein nonsense in one of our masjids, we will try to make sure he doesn't leave the premises alive. Hopefully, "Allahu Akbar" is the last thing the guy hears before checking out permanently.

    Long story short, the Muslims I know are down for standing our ground with keeping the 2nd Amendment alive.

    Peace.

  41. US military in Syria reverts to WW2-style tactics:
    https://russia-insider.com/en/chief-french-artillery-colonel-syria-slams-us-cowardly-civilian-killing-tactics-prolonging-war-vs

    A senior French officer faces punishment after publicly condemning the US-led coalition’s military tactics against Daesh in the east of Syria, accusing Washington of prolonging the conflict and disregarding a growing civilian death toll, the army said on Saturday.

    Colonel Francois-Regis Legrier – who has been in charge of directing French artillery supporting Kurdish-led groups in Syria since October – said the coalition’s focus had been on limiting its own risks and this had greatly increased the death toll among civilians, as well as raised the level of destruction.

    “Yes, the Battle of Hajin [near Syria’s eastern border with Iraq] was won, at least on the ground but by refusing ground engagement, we unnecessarily prolonged the conflict and thus contributed to increasing the number of casualties in the population,” Legrier wrote in an article in the National Defence Review.

    France is one of the main allies in the US-led coalition fighting Daesh in Syria and Iraq, with its warplanes used to strike militant targets, its heavy-artillery backing Kurdish-led fighters and its special forces leading the ground assault.

    “We have massively destroyed the infrastructure and given the population a disgusting image of what may be a Western-style liberation leaving behind the seeds of an imminent resurgence of a new adversary,” he said, in rare public criticism by a serving officer.

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    This is why no nation's military really wants another nation to command it's troops.
  42. @Grahamsno(G64)

    I understand the temptation of whataboutism when your tribe commits violence but hard righties should probably begin examining why their fringe is both politically inert and why it vomits up deranged psychopaths with startling regularity (hint: these things are linked)
     
    They are politically inert because your average White nationalist is a compulsive obsessive nigger, nigger, kike, kike, shitskin, mud spouting , sieg Heiling, Hitler worshiping, woman hating socially maladjusted paranoid racist crackpot whose political views advocate ethnic cleansing and genocide. With such leprous views all polite society shun them. It's a pity because their core concerns are real the loss of White political power due to declining demographics caused by mass immigration and declining fertility rates. But they just can't clean up their act because of the character of the average white nationalist. It's the same with Islam it can't clean up its act because a substantial number of Muslims are hateful fanatical assholes.

    Is that true, or are you watching too much MSM and too many Hollywood movies? In the more subdued era before Hailgate, Paul Gottfried once had some very complimentary things to say about the WN’s he met at Amren conferences. I don’t know, since I’ve never met any WN in IRL.

  43. Elite white privilege means never having to live with the consequences of policies you support or enact that will bring thousands and eventually millions of poor, illiterate brown people to your land. Elite white privilege also ensures that you and your children will be shielded from the crime and societal breakdown that result from your policies. Case in point is Gavin Douchebag Newsom, the governor of the state in which I live.

  44. @fnn
    US military in Syria reverts to WW2-style tactics:
    https://russia-insider.com/en/chief-french-artillery-colonel-syria-slams-us-cowardly-civilian-killing-tactics-prolonging-war-vs

    A senior French officer faces punishment after publicly condemning the US-led coalition’s military tactics against Daesh in the east of Syria, accusing Washington of prolonging the conflict and disregarding a growing civilian death toll, the army said on Saturday.

    Colonel Francois-Regis Legrier – who has been in charge of directing French artillery supporting Kurdish-led groups in Syria since October – said the coalition’s focus had been on limiting its own risks and this had greatly increased the death toll among civilians, as well as raised the level of destruction.

    “Yes, the Battle of Hajin [near Syria’s eastern border with Iraq] was won, at least on the ground but by refusing ground engagement, we unnecessarily prolonged the conflict and thus contributed to increasing the number of casualties in the population,” Legrier wrote in an article in the National Defence Review.

    France is one of the main allies in the US-led coalition fighting Daesh in Syria and Iraq, with its warplanes used to strike militant targets, its heavy-artillery backing Kurdish-led fighters and its special forces leading the ground assault.

    “We have massively destroyed the infrastructure and given the population a disgusting image of what may be a Western-style liberation leaving behind the seeds of an imminent resurgence of a new adversary,” he said, in rare public criticism by a serving officer.
     

    This is why no nation’s military really wants another nation to command it’s troops.

  45. @Rational
    MODERN IMMIGRATION = NEO-SLAVE TRADE = DUAL SUFFERING.

    Prof. Tony Martin showed in his book that the Judaists were prominent in the slave trade, catching blacks in 3rd world countries and kidnapping them and trafficking them into Americas as slaves.

    Now, the Judaists do the same, except they call it “immigration”.

    If these Muslims had not been trafficked into NZ, they would have been alive today, in their own countries. If the Judaists had not promoted the alien invasion, these NZ people would not have been angry and flipped into shooting them.

    The Judaists have blood on their hands. It is all their fault.

    “Prof. Tony Martin showed in his book that the Judaists were prominent in the slave trade, catching blacks in 3rd world countries and kidnapping them and trafficking them into Americas as slaves.”

    Not this trope again!

    According to the research of Eli Faber from 1998, Jews did NOT play a leading role as the financial backers or transporters in the transatlantic or Caribbean slave trades. For starters, no ship fitted out for the slave trade that originated in Great Britain was under the direct or indirect control of a Jew. The data provided by the author demonstrates that Jews played little or no role in importing or selling slaves. If you could find research that contradicts his findings, I am all ears.

    For example, from 1709-1807, there are 934 recorded voyages in which Rhode Island merchants were responsible for procuring 106,000 slaves. Now, Jews arrived in Newport as early as 1658. On the eve of the Revolution, they were estimated to be around thirty families. According to historical records Faber used (e.g. naval office shipping lists, censuses, tax records) that identified merchants and planters as Jewish, there were 347 slave ships sent to Africa by Rhode Island slave traders from 1761-1774, with 21 being funded by Aaron Lopez, a Portuguese Jew. That means 326 voyages were underwritten by NON-JEWS. Of course, Jews played a role in the peddling of human flesh. The extent in this particular case is nominal compared to other ethnic groups.

  46. “In a violent situation, the operative assumption of the one being attacked should never be that deescalation has been achieved before confirmation that it has been can be made. When someone is hit from behind with a hard object and an unknown liquid substance, one should not immediately assume it is an innocuous egg but instead assume it is something like a glass vial of acid. Assuming the former is how a person gets himself killed.”

    Considering that Australia was a penal colony, and that aggressiveness and an inability to control one’s temper is in the DNA of white men who reside there, it is other than surprising he engaged in that behavior. In other words, it was his natural reaction was to punch to the right.

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    " ... an inability to control one's temper is in the DNA of white men who reside there ..."

    Quite the racist statement, Reverend Corvinus.
  47. I have never felt more ashamed of being Australian.

    Is (((she))) really Australian?

  48. @Talha
    Legitimate question; do you think the mosque administration or congregation approved of them joining AQ? Are the congregants that did not join AQ the same as the ones that did? Simple question really.

    How many churches honored members of their congregation that joined the Marines or some armed forces and attacked and tore apart Iraq - a nation that had done us no harm? You can ask some people on Unz that attend church if this is normal. Should those lose “peaceful house of worship” status?

    Peace.

    What happened in Christchurch, the slaughter of innocents, is a horrific tragedy. Though from a Christian/Catholic background, I am not religious. But I believe Christianity, Judaism, and Islam all have positive and negative aspects. I lived in a rough neighborhood between 2006-2008 that was home to a Mosque. And that place of worship, with its devout adherents and families, was a beacon of peace in that neighborhood.

    Because I’m a conspiracy nut I think it’s important to look into the mass murderer’s background. It would suit the Zio-Global agenda to shut down communication venues like 8chan and to further restrict the right to own firearms. From what I’ve seen of the murderer’s manifesto, it seems to fit the Zio-Global talking points.

    There is much talk of white fragility from the Brooklyn-DC political celebrities. And how fragile whites fear the browning of America. This is part truth, part projection. Projection in that POC elites, particularly blacks, want to see the erasure of the perceived problem of whiteness through massive illegal immigration. I think it’s reasonable to assume the vast majority of whites do dread the inevitable browning for a number of reasons that are legitimate. Race tribalism, which runs deep in all of us, is primal.

    If, as the evidence suggests, the murderer was motivated by a nationalist/racialist agenda, then the leadership of Western countries that promiscuously open their borders to the non-Western world share some culpability for this slaughter. Through mass illegal immigration, they are creating needless tension, helplessness, and despair. Rage, and its consequences, soon follow.

    • Replies: @iffen
    the leadership of Western countries that promiscuously open their borders to the non-Western world share some culpability for this slaughter.

    Blame the elites, the PTB, the Borg, the people running things. I like your view Sub. I'm gonna have to pay closer attention to your comments.
    , @Talha

    the slaughter of innocents, is a horrific tragedy
     
    Absolutely, wherever this happens in the world, it is horrific. The gunning down especially of fleeing women and children takes an exceptional level of depravity.

    Because I’m a conspiracy nut
     
    I wouldn't call myself a conspiracy nut, but it is hard not to miss how this was weird and too over the top extreme about it (filming it, writing messages and specific “calling card” memes all over the rifles, goes after women and children). In anonymous forums, one can easily be radicalized (it's happening to some Muslim youth for sure) and anonymity disguises who exactly is making the suggestions or steering the conversation.

    It would suit the Zio-Global agenda to shut down communication venues like 8chan and to further restrict the right to own firearms.
     
    Yup - and to stoke fear to further justify surveillance.

    This is part truth, part projection.
     
    Agreed.

    Race tribalism, which runs deep in all of us, is primal.
     
    Agreed, though I would say "race" is a relatively recent thing and probably happens more in America where Whites are a polyglot of European heritage. Usually the circle for tribalism is much tighter:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfNnCNkyvos

    then the leadership of Western countries that promiscuously open their borders to the non-Western world share some culpability for this slaughter.
     
    Agreed. Whether through serious deliberation or just inept and short-sighted policies that have led to a downward spiral, Western elites definitely have a lot of the blame on their shoulders. And it is not helped by the active dismantling of various countries in the third world either.

    Peace.
  49. @Corvinus
    "In a violent situation, the operative assumption of the one being attacked should never be that deescalation has been achieved before confirmation that it has been can be made. When someone is hit from behind with a hard object and an unknown liquid substance, one should not immediately assume it is an innocuous egg but instead assume it is something like a glass vial of acid. Assuming the former is how a person gets himself killed."

    Considering that Australia was a penal colony, and that aggressiveness and an inability to control one's temper is in the DNA of white men who reside there, it is other than surprising he engaged in that behavior. In other words, it was his natural reaction was to punch to the right.

    ” … an inability to control one’s temper is in the DNA of white men who reside there …”

    Quite the racist statement, Reverend Corvinus.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "Quite the racist statement, Reverend Corvinus."

    Dat raciss? Nope.

    Don't get mad at me, ma'am, for employing HbD "logic".
  50. Until our nations are run by men and women loyal to our cause taxation should be considered theft, and refusal to pay taxes a sign of racial loyalty. Giving your own earned wealth, which you received through your own labour, to a person or group that despises you, places laws into effect that disenfranchises your people and seeks to ethnically replace you is utterly foolish. Do not pay to have your people destroyed, do not line the pockets of the traitors within our ranks, don’t lend support to a corrupt and broken state.

    Refuse to pay taxes. Refuse. When they demand you pay, refuse. When they ask why, you tell them why. They will threaten you with jail, they may even threaten you with direct force. They may even go through with your imprisonment or physically harm you. But eventually, when enough people fight back and refuse to pay taxes, refuse to fund the traitors in power, the state itself will wilt, then collapse.
    – – – – – – –

    Not endorsing the program, the state extracts most of its taxes automatically, but this is the right attitude. I suppose it will take an economic collapse before such attitudes catch on. You have to adopt the attitude of antifa except working against the state, not for it.

  51. @Joe Stalin
    Now you know why GUN REGISTRATION is the last stop before GUN CONFISCATION.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_country

    And why the Cosmopolitans expend so much effort trying to get the government involved in all firearms transactions.

    I guess I’m going to have to finally join the NRA. Maybe I should get some guns first. I haven’t had one since my son took my 12 gauge that my Dad bought for me when I was 15.

    • Replies: @Peripatetic Commenter
    Don't bother with the NRA, they are a bunch of sellouts.

    Join the Gun Owners of America.

    They actively defend gun rights.
  52. @SunBakedSuburb
    What happened in Christchurch, the slaughter of innocents, is a horrific tragedy. Though from a Christian/Catholic background, I am not religious. But I believe Christianity, Judaism, and Islam all have positive and negative aspects. I lived in a rough neighborhood between 2006-2008 that was home to a Mosque. And that place of worship, with its devout adherents and families, was a beacon of peace in that neighborhood.

    Because I'm a conspiracy nut I think it's important to look into the mass murderer's background. It would suit the Zio-Global agenda to shut down communication venues like 8chan and to further restrict the right to own firearms. From what I've seen of the murderer's manifesto, it seems to fit the Zio-Global talking points.

    There is much talk of white fragility from the Brooklyn-DC political celebrities. And how fragile whites fear the browning of America. This is part truth, part projection. Projection in that POC elites, particularly blacks, want to see the erasure of the perceived problem of whiteness through massive illegal immigration. I think it's reasonable to assume the vast majority of whites do dread the inevitable browning for a number of reasons that are legitimate. Race tribalism, which runs deep in all of us, is primal.

    If, as the evidence suggests, the murderer was motivated by a nationalist/racialist agenda, then the leadership of Western countries that promiscuously open their borders to the non-Western world share some culpability for this slaughter. Through mass illegal immigration, they are creating needless tension, helplessness, and despair. Rage, and its consequences, soon follow.

    the leadership of Western countries that promiscuously open their borders to the non-Western world share some culpability for this slaughter.

    Blame the elites, the PTB, the Borg, the people running things. I like your view Sub. I’m gonna have to pay closer attention to your comments.

  53. @iffen
    I guess I'm going to have to finally join the NRA. Maybe I should get some guns first. I haven't had one since my son took my 12 gauge that my Dad bought for me when I was 15.

    Don’t bother with the NRA, they are a bunch of sellouts.

    Join the Gun Owners of America.

    They actively defend gun rights.

    • Replies: @iffen
    Join the Gun Owners of America.

    I dunno. Do we really "need" bump stocks?

  54. @Peripatetic Commenter
    Don't bother with the NRA, they are a bunch of sellouts.

    Join the Gun Owners of America.

    They actively defend gun rights.

    Join the Gun Owners of America.

    I dunno. Do we really “need” bump stocks?

  55. Diversity is not our strength.

    These occurrences will be increasingly frequent as “diversity” increases. The left wing multiculturalist pipe dream is going to fail. It’s inevitable.

    So, this message is to all Young White Men. Get healthy, get in shape, get educated, start a family and have many White children, and connect with other White families. Be prepared for when the collapse comes. Ask yourself: in the case of a multi-ethnic breakdown, are you cannon fodder? Or will you be productive for your side?

    This is no joke. One more attack like this will set off a retaliatory response, and start a chain reaction. It’s worse than most boomers estimate.

  56. Chris Caldwell has the best commentary on all this:
    https://radicalagenda.com/2019/03/15/radical-agenda-s05e022-revenge-for-ebba/

    People have this crazy idea in their heads that once “it” happens, whatever “it” may be, some correcting force will necessarily come to right the ship. I hate to break it to you, but that simply isn’t true, and I challenge anyone to present a single historical example of that being the case. Did ten million dead in the Holodomor bring an end to the Soviet Union? Did the 45 million death toll of Mao’s Great Leap Forward diminish the power of the Chinese Communist Party? Chaos and disorder favor Leftists, which is why they are working full time to bring it about. Their criminal element riots in the streets, while their political arms do everything in their power to diminish the institutions that are supposed to stop them. When they say “Diversity is our strength” they are not just parroting a lie. For them it is actually true, that ethnic diversity is their strength, in that it diminishes the cohesion of the civilization and thus strengthens them in the ensuing chaos.

  57. I guess the oddity here is that a large number of leftists credulously believe that the GOP is somehow dog-whistling 19th century Protestant nativism. Perhaps similar to those that think the preponderance of blonde women on Fox News is imputed Nordicism.

  58. similar to those that think the preponderance of blonde women on Fox News is imputed Nordicism.

    It’s not? But I thought … you mean they’re not on our side? Oh no!

  59. @216
    https://twitter.com/EvanPlatinum/status/1106662463569690625

    While perhaps partially true, it is unproductive to give out false equivalency. The left’s amount of terrorist deaths is far below ours, as is the number of attacks. This is not surprising when you consider the main goal of far-left terrorism, which is the destruction of property.

    We have a problem of a nihilistic violent fringe, and every violent action sets us back in mainstream politics.

    • Replies: @fnn

    The left’s amount of terrorist deaths is far below ours, as is the number of attacks. This is not surprising when you consider the main goal of far-left terrorism, which is the destruction of property.
     
    It should be obvious that the left's violence is a victory dance. They have the universities, the corporations and the DOJ/FBI on their side.
  60. @216
    https://twitter.com/CatlinNyaa/status/1107289659460194304

    While perhaps partially true, it is unproductive to give out false equivalency. The left's amount of terrorist deaths is far below ours, as is the number of attacks. This is not surprising when you consider the main goal of far-left terrorism, which is the destruction of property.

    We have a problem of a nihilistic violent fringe, and every violent action sets us back in mainstream politics.

    The left’s amount of terrorist deaths is far below ours, as is the number of attacks. This is not surprising when you consider the main goal of far-left terrorism, which is the destruction of property.

    It should be obvious that the left’s violence is a victory dance. They have the universities, the corporations and the DOJ/FBI on their side.

    • Replies: @216
    Sort of.

    The post-Cold War realignment in Western politics has seen the disappearance of the left's white working class base, and a new group of middle-class voters to replace them. So while the left is now at the precipice of enshirning "pronoun-policing" into law, you rarely hear about unions being organized and strikes launched.

    So from the far-left's perspective, they are still oppressed, but also confident that victory is swift once the establishment is pressured to withdraw the remaining legal protections from the "fascists".

    How far can they go to legally marginalize our movements without overstepping the "human rights" taboo? We're about to find out.
  61. @fnn

    The left’s amount of terrorist deaths is far below ours, as is the number of attacks. This is not surprising when you consider the main goal of far-left terrorism, which is the destruction of property.
     
    It should be obvious that the left's violence is a victory dance. They have the universities, the corporations and the DOJ/FBI on their side.

    Sort of.

    The post-Cold War realignment in Western politics has seen the disappearance of the left’s white working class base, and a new group of middle-class voters to replace them. So while the left is now at the precipice of enshirning “pronoun-policing” into law, you rarely hear about unions being organized and strikes launched.

    So from the far-left’s perspective, they are still oppressed, but also confident that victory is swift once the establishment is pressured to withdraw the remaining legal protections from the “fascists”.

    How far can they go to legally marginalize our movements without overstepping the “human rights” taboo? We’re about to find out.

    • Replies: @fnn
    Hey, they can attack you on the street and they are seldom prosecuted and normally go scot free. You act in self-defense and you can wind up going to prison for 6-10 years. That's even before we find out how many years the federal RAM defendants face. The Feds have shown no interest in investigating or prosecuting the Antifa militia who attacked them.
  62. Very interesting to read the responses to Claire Lehman’s tweet: almost 100% split between men and women as to whether Anning’s response was appropriate.

  63. @SunBakedSuburb
    " ... an inability to control one's temper is in the DNA of white men who reside there ..."

    Quite the racist statement, Reverend Corvinus.

    “Quite the racist statement, Reverend Corvinus.”

    Dat raciss? Nope.

    Don’t get mad at me, ma’am, for employing HbD “logic”.

  64. @216
    Sort of.

    The post-Cold War realignment in Western politics has seen the disappearance of the left's white working class base, and a new group of middle-class voters to replace them. So while the left is now at the precipice of enshirning "pronoun-policing" into law, you rarely hear about unions being organized and strikes launched.

    So from the far-left's perspective, they are still oppressed, but also confident that victory is swift once the establishment is pressured to withdraw the remaining legal protections from the "fascists".

    How far can they go to legally marginalize our movements without overstepping the "human rights" taboo? We're about to find out.

    Hey, they can attack you on the street and they are seldom prosecuted and normally go scot free. You act in self-defense and you can wind up going to prison for 6-10 years. That’s even before we find out how many years the federal RAM defendants face. The Feds have shown no interest in investigating or prosecuting the Antifa militia who attacked them.

    • Replies: @216
    *sigh*

    A significant portion of Americans thought the non-violent Tea Party protests were beyond the pale, something to do with Sarah Palin posting a map with crosshairs on Congressional districts. The Tucson shooting led to their support evaporating, even though the shooter appeared to have been psychotic with no logical political agenda.


    The moderate public doesn't support any right-wing demonstrations, viewing it as the outbursts of privilege. I have no sympathy for the RAM group, as they recall images of the Boston school busining protests.

    The son of Tim Kaine was literally involved in an Antifa protest, and arrested. The system is not going to crack down on them, and that should have been clear ever since the San Jose riot at a Trump rally.

    Whatever Trump sporadically thinks about Big Tech censorship, is counteracted by the deregulation supporters within Congress and the Administration. That's why he won't defend us, to say nothing of the leftist layup of "Trump wants Notzees back on Twitter".

    How do you convince leftists and moderates that "Bigots have rights, too" ???
  65. @fnn
    Hey, they can attack you on the street and they are seldom prosecuted and normally go scot free. You act in self-defense and you can wind up going to prison for 6-10 years. That's even before we find out how many years the federal RAM defendants face. The Feds have shown no interest in investigating or prosecuting the Antifa militia who attacked them.

    *sigh*

    A significant portion of Americans thought the non-violent Tea Party protests were beyond the pale, something to do with Sarah Palin posting a map with crosshairs on Congressional districts. The Tucson shooting led to their support evaporating, even though the shooter appeared to have been psychotic with no logical political agenda.

    The moderate public doesn’t support any right-wing demonstrations, viewing it as the outbursts of privilege. I have no sympathy for the RAM group, as they recall images of the Boston school busining protests.

    The son of Tim Kaine was literally involved in an Antifa protest, and arrested. The system is not going to crack down on them, and that should have been clear ever since the San Jose riot at a Trump rally.

    Whatever Trump sporadically thinks about Big Tech censorship, is counteracted by the deregulation supporters within Congress and the Administration. That’s why he won’t defend us, to say nothing of the leftist layup of “Trump wants Notzees back on Twitter”.

    How do you convince leftists and moderates that “Bigots have rights, too” ???

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
    "How do you convince leftists and moderates that “Bigots have rights, too” ???"

    It's not a question of bigots having rights. With the left, it's not about the noun, it's about the adjective.

    There are not merely bigots; there are good bigots (hating whitey, Christians, hetero men is good bigotry) and there are bad bigots (whites who do not celebrate other types convincingly enough.)

    So bigots do have rights, you see, you just have to be the right type.

    This ties in with what AE was talking about a couple posts ago.
  66. @SunBakedSuburb
    What happened in Christchurch, the slaughter of innocents, is a horrific tragedy. Though from a Christian/Catholic background, I am not religious. But I believe Christianity, Judaism, and Islam all have positive and negative aspects. I lived in a rough neighborhood between 2006-2008 that was home to a Mosque. And that place of worship, with its devout adherents and families, was a beacon of peace in that neighborhood.

    Because I'm a conspiracy nut I think it's important to look into the mass murderer's background. It would suit the Zio-Global agenda to shut down communication venues like 8chan and to further restrict the right to own firearms. From what I've seen of the murderer's manifesto, it seems to fit the Zio-Global talking points.

    There is much talk of white fragility from the Brooklyn-DC political celebrities. And how fragile whites fear the browning of America. This is part truth, part projection. Projection in that POC elites, particularly blacks, want to see the erasure of the perceived problem of whiteness through massive illegal immigration. I think it's reasonable to assume the vast majority of whites do dread the inevitable browning for a number of reasons that are legitimate. Race tribalism, which runs deep in all of us, is primal.

    If, as the evidence suggests, the murderer was motivated by a nationalist/racialist agenda, then the leadership of Western countries that promiscuously open their borders to the non-Western world share some culpability for this slaughter. Through mass illegal immigration, they are creating needless tension, helplessness, and despair. Rage, and its consequences, soon follow.

    the slaughter of innocents, is a horrific tragedy

    Absolutely, wherever this happens in the world, it is horrific. The gunning down especially of fleeing women and children takes an exceptional level of depravity.

    Because I’m a conspiracy nut

    I wouldn’t call myself a conspiracy nut, but it is hard not to miss how this was weird and too over the top extreme about it (filming it, writing messages and specific “calling card” memes all over the rifles, goes after women and children). In anonymous forums, one can easily be radicalized (it’s happening to some Muslim youth for sure) and anonymity disguises who exactly is making the suggestions or steering the conversation.

    It would suit the Zio-Global agenda to shut down communication venues like 8chan and to further restrict the right to own firearms.

    Yup – and to stoke fear to further justify surveillance.

    This is part truth, part projection.

    Agreed.

    Race tribalism, which runs deep in all of us, is primal.

    Agreed, though I would say “race” is a relatively recent thing and probably happens more in America where Whites are a polyglot of European heritage. Usually the circle for tribalism is much tighter:

    then the leadership of Western countries that promiscuously open their borders to the non-Western world share some culpability for this slaughter.

    Agreed. Whether through serious deliberation or just inept and short-sighted policies that have led to a downward spiral, Western elites definitely have a lot of the blame on their shoulders. And it is not helped by the active dismantling of various countries in the third world either.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Talha
    Wait - uh...what??!!

    "Dutch shooting: Utrecht police arrest suspect after three killed...

    Mr Tanis was known to Dutch police, the prosecutor added.

    A local businessman told BBC Turkish that Gokmen Tanis had previously fought in Russia's republic of Chechnya.

    Jihadist groups, including those aligned with the Islamic State (IS) group, have long operated in the region.

    'He was arrested because of his connections with [IS] but released later,' the businessman told the BBC."
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-47615231

    "Tanis was known to authorities, said Dutch Justice Minister Ferdinand Grapperhaus, standing alongside Rutte. He declined to elaborate, citing the need for an unbiased investigation....
    Police spent hours searching for Tanis, releasing a surveillance photo from what appeared to be the tram taken minutes before the attack unfolded — an unusual step in a privacy-conscious country, underscoring the concern sparked by the incident."
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/dutch-shooting-on-tram-raises-fears-of-terrorism-amid-multiple-injuries/2019/03/18/ced5376c-496f-11e9-9663-00ac73f49662_story.html

    Collusion? Criminal ineptitude? You decide.

    The effect will be the same, more surveillance, tougher gun laws - guaranteed no one in that government agency will be fired.

    Peace.
  67. @Jason Liu
    Fraser Anning is a low-IQ chud and his statement is a knee-jerk tribalist response that doesn't actually address the problem. If he really wanted to say something shocking and effective he would've blamed the massacre directly on equality, tolerance, diversity, if not democracy itself. It moves the Overton window and making it acceptable to attack the left's "values". Attacking the left's pawns is for morons and does nothing except satiate angry old men -- by far the most useless demographic in the culture wars.

    Good of him to smack the little equalist around, though.

    Jason, Anning’s statement would no doubt have been better if you had written it or i had written it.

    Nonetheless:

    “The real cause of bloodshed on New Zealand streets today is the immigration program which allowed Muslim fanatics to migrate to New Zealand in the first place.”

    Compared to the cucky b.s. that every other politician is spouting, Anning’s statement is a 200 proof shot of sanity and good sense.

  68. @Talha
    Anning is a Zionist chump. His actions are 100% predictable.

    http://www.jwire.com.au/a-motion-to-recognise-jerusalem-as-israels-capital-and-to-move-the-australia-embassy-there/

    https://plus61j.net.au/plus61j-voices/anning-katter-bolt-need-discuss-means-pro-israel/

    New Zealand laws are about to be hit massively by gun restrictions.

    If this shooter guy was a bonafide White nationalist, why barely any mention of Jews? Not even a little in respects to immigration policy. Really?
    https://muslimskeptic.com/2019/03/16/oddities-in-the-new-zealand-muslim-mass-shooting-case/

    Peace.

    Also, this edit is hilarious:
    https://twitter.com/SanaSaeed/status/1106814010035503104

    Also, this edit is hilarious:

    This kid is a typical preening, virtue-signalling, leftist punk–no doubt raising as such but preening, virtue-signalling good-white parents. He thinks–like all leftists do–that because he’s chock full of virtue he has the right to smash an egg on any bad-thinking white who says something he disagrees with. Punk richly deserved his beat down.

    That you find it this pathetic edit “hilarious”, simply underlines that you have no business in the West. As Fraiser Anning correctly pointed out.

    Separate peoples, separate nations.

    • Replies: @Talha

    This kid is a typical...
     
    Likely.

    That you find it this pathetic edit “hilarious”
     
    I do. My dad used to play that song by Men at Work constantly when I was like 7 or 8. That egg smash set to that unforgettable intro is funny. If the kid broke a law, prosecute him - I didn't say otherwise.

    simply underlines that you have no business in the West
     
    OK - thanks for your opinion.

    As Fraiser Anning correctly pointed out.
     
    As a US citizen, I don't particularly care what some Australian politician says as I don't pay his wages.

    Separate peoples, separate nations.
     
    I'm fine with a White ethno-nationalist secession/partition of the US - as long as they make Islam illegal within their borders. Make it happen, you have my vote.

    Peace.
  69. @AnotherDad

    Also, this edit is hilarious:
     
    This kid is a typical preening, virtue-signalling, leftist punk--no doubt raising as such but preening, virtue-signalling good-white parents. He thinks--like all leftists do--that because he's chock full of virtue he has the right to smash an egg on any bad-thinking white who says something he disagrees with. Punk richly deserved his beat down.

    That you find it this pathetic edit "hilarious", simply underlines that you have no business in the West. As Fraiser Anning correctly pointed out.

    Separate peoples, separate nations.

    This kid is a typical…

    Likely.

    That you find it this pathetic edit “hilarious”

    I do. My dad used to play that song by Men at Work constantly when I was like 7 or 8. That egg smash set to that unforgettable intro is funny. If the kid broke a law, prosecute him – I didn’t say otherwise.

    simply underlines that you have no business in the West

    OK – thanks for your opinion.

    As Fraiser Anning correctly pointed out.

    As a US citizen, I don’t particularly care what some Australian politician says as I don’t pay his wages.

    Separate peoples, separate nations.

    I’m fine with a White ethno-nationalist secession/partition of the US – as long as they make Islam illegal within their borders. Make it happen, you have my vote.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @neutral
    Its not about religion but race, what should be made illegal is having non whites in ones country.
  70. @216
    *sigh*

    A significant portion of Americans thought the non-violent Tea Party protests were beyond the pale, something to do with Sarah Palin posting a map with crosshairs on Congressional districts. The Tucson shooting led to their support evaporating, even though the shooter appeared to have been psychotic with no logical political agenda.


    The moderate public doesn't support any right-wing demonstrations, viewing it as the outbursts of privilege. I have no sympathy for the RAM group, as they recall images of the Boston school busining protests.

    The son of Tim Kaine was literally involved in an Antifa protest, and arrested. The system is not going to crack down on them, and that should have been clear ever since the San Jose riot at a Trump rally.

    Whatever Trump sporadically thinks about Big Tech censorship, is counteracted by the deregulation supporters within Congress and the Administration. That's why he won't defend us, to say nothing of the leftist layup of "Trump wants Notzees back on Twitter".

    How do you convince leftists and moderates that "Bigots have rights, too" ???

    “How do you convince leftists and moderates that “Bigots have rights, too” ???”

    It’s not a question of bigots having rights. With the left, it’s not about the noun, it’s about the adjective.

    There are not merely bigots; there are good bigots (hating whitey, Christians, hetero men is good bigotry) and there are bad bigots (whites who do not celebrate other types convincingly enough.)

    So bigots do have rights, you see, you just have to be the right type.

    This ties in with what AE was talking about a couple posts ago.

  71. @Jason Liu
    Fraser Anning is a low-IQ chud and his statement is a knee-jerk tribalist response that doesn't actually address the problem. If he really wanted to say something shocking and effective he would've blamed the massacre directly on equality, tolerance, diversity, if not democracy itself. It moves the Overton window and making it acceptable to attack the left's "values". Attacking the left's pawns is for morons and does nothing except satiate angry old men -- by far the most useless demographic in the culture wars.

    Good of him to smack the little equalist around, though.

    “Attacking the left’s pawns is for morons and does nothing except satiate angry old men — by far the most useless demographic in the culture wars.”

    Your analysis of that Anning video couldn’t be more inaccurate. Anning responded to an assault on his person with appropriate degree of force. Maybe you would just stand there and take it, but any self respecting man would make it clear physically that they do not tolerate such an attack.

    Speaking of, claiming Anning was on the attack is disingenuous.

    “Angry old men” – you forgot to say “white” – can, for the most part, still father children, making them much more valuable than pretty much every single women past the point of menopause not currently raising young children, as well as those fostering their “spread the other cheek” nonsense upon others.

    And if you stop by Heartiste’s blog you’ll read quite a few decidedly young angry white men applauding Anning’s response to Egg Boy.

    • Replies: @216
    Anning's response was a no-win situation, if he resists he is condemned in the press and if he doesn't he becomes a joke like R. Spencer.

    It is important to recall that his statements were illegal except for the fact that he has parliamentary immunity.

    Anning's record has favored Israeli warmongering, he has no ground to stand on. There is almost no chance that he will be re-elected to Parliament in the next election.
    , @Truth

    And if you stop by Heartiste’s blog you’ll read quite a few decidedly young angry white men applauding Anning’s response to Egg Boy.
     
    I'm not sure that that is what J-Lu was talking about, Rabbi, but I'll tell you one thing; not many people are going to be impressed by a heavyweight not being able to hit a Featherweight hard enough to make him put his phone down.
  72. @MikeatMikedotMike
    "Attacking the left’s pawns is for morons and does nothing except satiate angry old men — by far the most useless demographic in the culture wars."

    Your analysis of that Anning video couldn't be more inaccurate. Anning responded to an assault on his person with appropriate degree of force. Maybe you would just stand there and take it, but any self respecting man would make it clear physically that they do not tolerate such an attack.

    Speaking of, claiming Anning was on the attack is disingenuous.

    "Angry old men" - you forgot to say "white" - can, for the most part, still father children, making them much more valuable than pretty much every single women past the point of menopause not currently raising young children, as well as those fostering their "spread the other cheek" nonsense upon others.

    And if you stop by Heartiste's blog you'll read quite a few decidedly young angry white men applauding Anning's response to Egg Boy.

    Anning’s response was a no-win situation, if he resists he is condemned in the press and if he doesn’t he becomes a joke like R. Spencer.

    It is important to recall that his statements were illegal except for the fact that he has parliamentary immunity.

    Anning’s record has favored Israeli warmongering, he has no ground to stand on. There is almost no chance that he will be re-elected to Parliament in the next election.

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
    "Anning’s record has favored Israeli warmongering, he has no ground to stand on. There is almost no chance that he will be re-elected to Parliament in the next election."

    That very well may be, and I won't pretend to ever heard of him before seeing that video. I'm speaking of his reaction to having something broken over his head.
  73. @MikeatMikedotMike
    "Attacking the left’s pawns is for morons and does nothing except satiate angry old men — by far the most useless demographic in the culture wars."

    Your analysis of that Anning video couldn't be more inaccurate. Anning responded to an assault on his person with appropriate degree of force. Maybe you would just stand there and take it, but any self respecting man would make it clear physically that they do not tolerate such an attack.

    Speaking of, claiming Anning was on the attack is disingenuous.

    "Angry old men" - you forgot to say "white" - can, for the most part, still father children, making them much more valuable than pretty much every single women past the point of menopause not currently raising young children, as well as those fostering their "spread the other cheek" nonsense upon others.

    And if you stop by Heartiste's blog you'll read quite a few decidedly young angry white men applauding Anning's response to Egg Boy.

    And if you stop by Heartiste’s blog you’ll read quite a few decidedly young angry white men applauding Anning’s response to Egg Boy.

    I’m not sure that that is what J-Lu was talking about, Rabbi, but I’ll tell you one thing; not many people are going to be impressed by a heavyweight not being able to hit a Featherweight hard enough to make him put his phone down.

    • Replies: @Pericles

    but I’ll tell you one thing; not many people are going to be impressed by a heavyweight not being able to hit a Featherweight hard enough to make him put his phone down.

     

    Just what your people call a couple of bitch slaps.
  74. @Talha

    the slaughter of innocents, is a horrific tragedy
     
    Absolutely, wherever this happens in the world, it is horrific. The gunning down especially of fleeing women and children takes an exceptional level of depravity.

    Because I’m a conspiracy nut
     
    I wouldn't call myself a conspiracy nut, but it is hard not to miss how this was weird and too over the top extreme about it (filming it, writing messages and specific “calling card” memes all over the rifles, goes after women and children). In anonymous forums, one can easily be radicalized (it's happening to some Muslim youth for sure) and anonymity disguises who exactly is making the suggestions or steering the conversation.

    It would suit the Zio-Global agenda to shut down communication venues like 8chan and to further restrict the right to own firearms.
     
    Yup - and to stoke fear to further justify surveillance.

    This is part truth, part projection.
     
    Agreed.

    Race tribalism, which runs deep in all of us, is primal.
     
    Agreed, though I would say "race" is a relatively recent thing and probably happens more in America where Whites are a polyglot of European heritage. Usually the circle for tribalism is much tighter:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfNnCNkyvos

    then the leadership of Western countries that promiscuously open their borders to the non-Western world share some culpability for this slaughter.
     
    Agreed. Whether through serious deliberation or just inept and short-sighted policies that have led to a downward spiral, Western elites definitely have a lot of the blame on their shoulders. And it is not helped by the active dismantling of various countries in the third world either.

    Peace.

    Wait – uh…what??!!

    “Dutch shooting: Utrecht police arrest suspect after three killed…

    Mr Tanis was known to Dutch police, the prosecutor added.

    A local businessman told BBC Turkish that Gokmen Tanis had previously fought in Russia’s republic of Chechnya.

    Jihadist groups, including those aligned with the Islamic State (IS) group, have long operated in the region.

    ‘He was arrested because of his connections with [IS] but released later,’ the businessman told the BBC.”
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-47615231

    “Tanis was known to authorities, said Dutch Justice Minister Ferdinand Grapperhaus, standing alongside Rutte. He declined to elaborate, citing the need for an unbiased investigation….
    Police spent hours searching for Tanis, releasing a surveillance photo from what appeared to be the tram taken minutes before the attack unfolded — an unusual step in a privacy-conscious country, underscoring the concern sparked by the incident.”
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/dutch-shooting-on-tram-raises-fears-of-terrorism-amid-multiple-injuries/2019/03/18/ced5376c-496f-11e9-9663-00ac73f49662_story.html

    Collusion? Criminal ineptitude? You decide.

    The effect will be the same, more surveillance, tougher gun laws – guaranteed no one in that government agency will be fired.

    Peace.

  75. @216
    Anning's response was a no-win situation, if he resists he is condemned in the press and if he doesn't he becomes a joke like R. Spencer.

    It is important to recall that his statements were illegal except for the fact that he has parliamentary immunity.

    Anning's record has favored Israeli warmongering, he has no ground to stand on. There is almost no chance that he will be re-elected to Parliament in the next election.

    “Anning’s record has favored Israeli warmongering, he has no ground to stand on. There is almost no chance that he will be re-elected to Parliament in the next election.”

    That very well may be, and I won’t pretend to ever heard of him before seeing that video. I’m speaking of his reaction to having something broken over his head.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
  76. @Talha

    This kid is a typical...
     
    Likely.

    That you find it this pathetic edit “hilarious”
     
    I do. My dad used to play that song by Men at Work constantly when I was like 7 or 8. That egg smash set to that unforgettable intro is funny. If the kid broke a law, prosecute him - I didn't say otherwise.

    simply underlines that you have no business in the West
     
    OK - thanks for your opinion.

    As Fraiser Anning correctly pointed out.
     
    As a US citizen, I don't particularly care what some Australian politician says as I don't pay his wages.

    Separate peoples, separate nations.
     
    I'm fine with a White ethno-nationalist secession/partition of the US - as long as they make Islam illegal within their borders. Make it happen, you have my vote.

    Peace.

    Its not about religion but race, what should be made illegal is having non whites in ones country.

    • Replies: @Talha
    No sale.

    Make Islam illegal within those borders and you have my vote of support. Any Whites that convert should be expelled to join their new spiritual family. It is of no concern to me if that state tolerates any other religions for Whites.

    Peace.
  77. @neutral
    Its not about religion but race, what should be made illegal is having non whites in ones country.

    No sale.

    Make Islam illegal within those borders and you have my vote of support. Any Whites that convert should be expelled to join their new spiritual family. It is of no concern to me if that state tolerates any other religions for Whites.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational

    No sale.
     
    You don't get a say in the matter.

    Something you don't seem to realize is the sheer creativity bred into the Western man over the past 5 centuries or so, something your Balkan ancestors didn't take much part of and which your more recent Islamic forebears appear to be culling out.  This creativity has deadly applications, in no small part because of the efficiency it enables.  When this creativity is turned to making you feel acutely unwelcome in White countries, whether "you" means Islamic or colored or whatever, you are going to be in for a very bad time.  Your living will envy your dead.
  78. “Elite white supremacy, you might say.”

    —-

    Actually, there are many whites on the left who believe that whites have a greater inherent capacity for tolerance than most other populations, which is part of the reason they hound fellow whites like they do. This is a pretty cut and dried supremacist ideal. They tend to show it implicitly, but I’ve found that I’m good enough at pushing their buttons to get them to blurt it out now and then.

    • Replies: @iffen
    many whites on the left who believe that whites have a greater inherent capacity for tolerance than most other populations

    How do we know that this is not true. There are plenty of observations that support it.

  79. @J1234
    “Elite white supremacy, you might say.”

    —-

    Actually, there are many whites on the left who believe that whites have a greater inherent capacity for tolerance than most other populations, which is part of the reason they hound fellow whites like they do. This is a pretty cut and dried supremacist ideal. They tend to show it implicitly, but I’ve found that I’m good enough at pushing their buttons to get them to blurt it out now and then.

    many whites on the left who believe that whites have a greater inherent capacity for tolerance than most other populations

    How do we know that this is not true. There are plenty of observations that support it.

    • Replies: @J1234
    Didn’t say it wasn’t true...because that’s irrelevant. That leftist whites believe it to one degree or another is what I’m talking about.
  80. @Talha

    What would be the the reason for Mossad targeting this Mosque?
     
    I don't know, but I can see the motivation for whoever did this to be one of two:

    1) Kill a bunch of Muslims in such a way as to try to kick off copycat killers and a chain reaction to force the Muslims out
    2) Pull off something so horrific and revolting to the common person that the calculated political reaction will be three fold; 1) massive intelligence/surveillance uptick against White nationalism, 2) crack down on ownership of weapons, 3) removal of barriers to immigration (by associating people who want to block immigration with extremists)

    Peace.

    Is there a good, objective summary of the ‘manifesto’ somewhere you’re aware of?

    When it comes to the JQ and violence, there seems to be a lot of overlap. Not all of those who are hardcore anti-Jewish espouse violence, but so far as I’m aware virtually all of those who espouse violence are hardcore anti-Jewish. For a shooter to write up nearly 80 pages without much mentioning the JQ is especially unexpected. I’m hoping someone has gone through the thing because I don’t think I’m up to the task.

    • Replies: @Talha
    No - I don't know where someone has a good, objective summary. I read about a quarter of it from the link that Mr. Karlin posted. Somethings make sense, some is incoherent, etc.

    For a shooter to write up nearly 80 pages without much mentioning the JQ is especially unexpected.
     
    This is what lit up alarm bells for me also. A guy willing to do time for multiple charges of murder obviously is not going to pull punches to be nice and not be labeled anti-Semitic.

    Peace.
    , @iffen
    Not all of those who are hardcore anti-Jewish espouse violence, but so far as I’m aware virtually all of those who espouse violence are hardcore anti-Jewish.

    Anecdotally, I know plenty of people who are defensively WNish that are not Jew-haters, but have no use for Muslims, blacks and assorted others.

    For a shooter to write up nearly 80 pages without much mentioning the JQ is especially unexpected.

    This didn’t click for me and I was glad that Talha posted his comment. I read quite a few pages and skimmed the rest. He is repetitive. In addition to the oddity of not mentioning the JQ he spends a lot of words on promoting ideas and themes that I think of as additions to white nationalism such as promoting a “Garden of Eden” view of the environment.
    , @Mr. Rational

    I’m hoping someone has gone through the thing because I don’t think I’m up to the task.
     
    I went looking for it just to do ^F on it, and every link I've found thus far has been 404.  Someone has gone to great lengths to make certain that only the Official Narrative on the shooter and his manifesto gets heard.
  81. @YetAnotherAnon
    In the UK the police are guarding mosques. Shouldn't they be guarding churches?

    I understand where AE is coming from re single and double standards, but single is only de facto, not de jure - in other words most people can see a double standard if its pointed out to them.

    9/11 - police guard mosques, Bush says Islam is religion of peace (and then attacks Iraq, but who said consistency was a virtue?)

    Tube bombings, Bataclan, Nice, Berlin, dozens of others (who remembers Madrid now *?) - police guard mosques.

    Where are the Guardian editorials telling people not to tar all nationalists with the same brush, and that the overwhelming majority of nationalists are peaceful and good citizens? It's more "Get Them!".


    * Brits used to laugh (in the bygone days when the UK was low crime) at the 500 year sentences handed down in the US. But Spanish courts gave one of the Madrid guys 42,922 years!

    Whether it’s a Muslim shooting a bunch of non-Muslims or a non-Muslim shooting a bunch of Muslims, the response in the West is the same: Guard the mosques!

  82. @Grahamsno(G64)

    I understand the temptation of whataboutism when your tribe commits violence but hard righties should probably begin examining why their fringe is both politically inert and why it vomits up deranged psychopaths with startling regularity (hint: these things are linked)
     
    They are politically inert because your average White nationalist is a compulsive obsessive nigger, nigger, kike, kike, shitskin, mud spouting , sieg Heiling, Hitler worshiping, woman hating socially maladjusted paranoid racist crackpot whose political views advocate ethnic cleansing and genocide. With such leprous views all polite society shun them. It's a pity because their core concerns are real the loss of White political power due to declining demographics caused by mass immigration and declining fertility rates. But they just can't clean up their act because of the character of the average white nationalist. It's the same with Islam it can't clean up its act because a substantial number of Muslims are hateful fanatical assholes.

    See here. Thanks.

  83. @Audacious Epigone
    Is there a good, objective summary of the 'manifesto' somewhere you're aware of?

    When it comes to the JQ and violence, there seems to be a lot of overlap. Not all of those who are hardcore anti-Jewish espouse violence, but so far as I'm aware virtually all of those who espouse violence are hardcore anti-Jewish. For a shooter to write up nearly 80 pages without much mentioning the JQ is especially unexpected. I'm hoping someone has gone through the thing because I don't think I'm up to the task.

    No – I don’t know where someone has a good, objective summary. I read about a quarter of it from the link that Mr. Karlin posted. Somethings make sense, some is incoherent, etc.

    For a shooter to write up nearly 80 pages without much mentioning the JQ is especially unexpected.

    This is what lit up alarm bells for me also. A guy willing to do time for multiple charges of murder obviously is not going to pull punches to be nice and not be labeled anti-Semitic.

    Peace.

  84. @Audacious Epigone
    Is there a good, objective summary of the 'manifesto' somewhere you're aware of?

    When it comes to the JQ and violence, there seems to be a lot of overlap. Not all of those who are hardcore anti-Jewish espouse violence, but so far as I'm aware virtually all of those who espouse violence are hardcore anti-Jewish. For a shooter to write up nearly 80 pages without much mentioning the JQ is especially unexpected. I'm hoping someone has gone through the thing because I don't think I'm up to the task.

    Not all of those who are hardcore anti-Jewish espouse violence, but so far as I’m aware virtually all of those who espouse violence are hardcore anti-Jewish.

    Anecdotally, I know plenty of people who are defensively WNish that are not Jew-haters, but have no use for Muslims, blacks and assorted others.

    For a shooter to write up nearly 80 pages without much mentioning the JQ is especially unexpected.

    This didn’t click for me and I was glad that Talha posted his comment. I read quite a few pages and skimmed the rest. He is repetitive. In addition to the oddity of not mentioning the JQ he spends a lot of words on promoting ideas and themes that I think of as additions to white nationalism such as promoting a “Garden of Eden” view of the environment.

    • Replies: @iffen
    While we are on the subject of discrepancies, I am sure everyone notices that when a black or Muslim goes on a killing spree the response of the Borg is: we need to place this in context, we need to try and understand his “feelings”, and we need to look at what society did to trigger this individual. Whereas, when it’s a WN the response is: this is just the tip of the iceberg, no one, as in no one, ever says we should examine the problems that the shooter mentions.

    I notice another discord between the JQ and white nationalism. There is this vast literature on the JQ. The UR is just one small slice. Some of it is very good. Just look at the current Andrew Joyce article for example. White nationalism is mostly just a collection of news clips about crimes by blacks on white victims. Describing the difference as several orders of magnitude does not capture it.

    , @Audacious Epigone
    Sure, but do any of them espouse violence? The legitimate fascists on our side of the great divide seems to all be stridently anti-Jewish. The Derb/Taylor wing is more libertarian and warmer towards Jews.
  85. @iffen
    Not all of those who are hardcore anti-Jewish espouse violence, but so far as I’m aware virtually all of those who espouse violence are hardcore anti-Jewish.

    Anecdotally, I know plenty of people who are defensively WNish that are not Jew-haters, but have no use for Muslims, blacks and assorted others.

    For a shooter to write up nearly 80 pages without much mentioning the JQ is especially unexpected.

    This didn’t click for me and I was glad that Talha posted his comment. I read quite a few pages and skimmed the rest. He is repetitive. In addition to the oddity of not mentioning the JQ he spends a lot of words on promoting ideas and themes that I think of as additions to white nationalism such as promoting a “Garden of Eden” view of the environment.

    While we are on the subject of discrepancies, I am sure everyone notices that when a black or Muslim goes on a killing spree the response of the Borg is: we need to place this in context, we need to try and understand his “feelings”, and we need to look at what society did to trigger this individual. Whereas, when it’s a WN the response is: this is just the tip of the iceberg, no one, as in no one, ever says we should examine the problems that the shooter mentions.

    I notice another discord between the JQ and white nationalism. There is this vast literature on the JQ. The UR is just one small slice. Some of it is very good. Just look at the current Andrew Joyce article for example. White nationalism is mostly just a collection of news clips about crimes by blacks on white victims. Describing the difference as several orders of magnitude does not capture it.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Muslims, who are relatively collectivist, produce atomized individual shooters with no connection to the broader Muslim world.

    Whites, who are the most individualistic people on the planet, produce hivemind shooters who are merely acting out what most whites support.

    Perfectly reasonable!
  86. @iffen
    many whites on the left who believe that whites have a greater inherent capacity for tolerance than most other populations

    How do we know that this is not true. There are plenty of observations that support it.

    Didn’t say it wasn’t true…because that’s irrelevant. That leftist whites believe it to one degree or another is what I’m talking about.

  87. @Truth

    And if you stop by Heartiste’s blog you’ll read quite a few decidedly young angry white men applauding Anning’s response to Egg Boy.
     
    I'm not sure that that is what J-Lu was talking about, Rabbi, but I'll tell you one thing; not many people are going to be impressed by a heavyweight not being able to hit a Featherweight hard enough to make him put his phone down.

    but I’ll tell you one thing; not many people are going to be impressed by a heavyweight not being able to hit a Featherweight hard enough to make him put his phone down.

    Just what your people call a couple of bitch slaps.

  88. @Talha
    No sale.

    Make Islam illegal within those borders and you have my vote of support. Any Whites that convert should be expelled to join their new spiritual family. It is of no concern to me if that state tolerates any other religions for Whites.

    Peace.

    No sale.

    You don’t get a say in the matter.

    Something you don’t seem to realize is the sheer creativity bred into the Western man over the past 5 centuries or so, something your Balkan ancestors didn’t take much part of and which your more recent Islamic forebears appear to be culling out.  This creativity has deadly applications, in no small part because of the efficiency it enables.  When this creativity is turned to making you feel acutely unwelcome in White countries, whether “you” means Islamic or colored or whatever, you are going to be in for a very bad time.  Your living will envy your dead.

    • Replies: @Talha

    You don’t get a say in the matter.
     
    Well, the assumption in my response was that the proposition to allow a section of the US to secede to form the Republic of Whitekanda would be put to a vote or some sort of plebiscite. In which case, I would have a say as a US citizen.

    something your Balkan ancestors
     
    I'm originally from Pakistan.

    When this creativity is turned to making you feel acutely unwelcome in White countries
     
    Look - as I've pointed out, there is a legal way to get this all done. You elect leaders that vote for laws to be changed so you can strip people of citizenship so they can then be legally deported. Keep it on the books, nice and clean.

    Your living will envy your dead.
     
    Which living?
    "And do not say about those who are killed in the way of Allah; 'They are dead.' Nay, they are alive, but you perceive [it] not." (2:154)

    Look, this tough guy talk is all fine and probably scares the crap out of SJW Muslims who will likely apostate by higher numbers (in order to be able to stay and have the pressure off them) - not that it will help them.

    I'm a law-abiding citizen, I've outlined many times the legal ways to get things accomplished. I will obey the law if I am legally required to leave the US - no problems.

    If you come after our women and our babies - especially in our places of worship, we will put as many of you that attempt to do so into the ground as possible. If you end up lungshot on the ground at some point, you'll have a few moments to reflect on whether it was worth it instead of going the perfectly reasonable legal route to get the same task accomplished.

    This kind of situation in life is part of the test - as per the verses that follow the above one:
    "And We will surely test you with something of fear and hunger and a loss of wealth and lives and fruits, but give good tidings to the patient. Who, when disaster strikes them, say, 'Indeed we belong to Allah , and indeed to Him we will return.'" (2:155-156)

    You are more afraid of death than we are.

    virgin shooter vs chad Afghan uncle
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D19cdRTWoAAO1CP.jpg
  89. @Audacious Epigone
    Is there a good, objective summary of the 'manifesto' somewhere you're aware of?

    When it comes to the JQ and violence, there seems to be a lot of overlap. Not all of those who are hardcore anti-Jewish espouse violence, but so far as I'm aware virtually all of those who espouse violence are hardcore anti-Jewish. For a shooter to write up nearly 80 pages without much mentioning the JQ is especially unexpected. I'm hoping someone has gone through the thing because I don't think I'm up to the task.

    I’m hoping someone has gone through the thing because I don’t think I’m up to the task.

    I went looking for it just to do ^F on it, and every link I’ve found thus far has been 404.  Someone has gone to great lengths to make certain that only the Official Narrative on the shooter and his manifesto gets heard.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Well damn it. Thanks for trying.
  90. @Mr. Rational

    No sale.
     
    You don't get a say in the matter.

    Something you don't seem to realize is the sheer creativity bred into the Western man over the past 5 centuries or so, something your Balkan ancestors didn't take much part of and which your more recent Islamic forebears appear to be culling out.  This creativity has deadly applications, in no small part because of the efficiency it enables.  When this creativity is turned to making you feel acutely unwelcome in White countries, whether "you" means Islamic or colored or whatever, you are going to be in for a very bad time.  Your living will envy your dead.

    You don’t get a say in the matter.

    Well, the assumption in my response was that the proposition to allow a section of the US to secede to form the Republic of Whitekanda would be put to a vote or some sort of plebiscite. In which case, I would have a say as a US citizen.

    something your Balkan ancestors

    I’m originally from Pakistan.

    When this creativity is turned to making you feel acutely unwelcome in White countries

    Look – as I’ve pointed out, there is a legal way to get this all done. You elect leaders that vote for laws to be changed so you can strip people of citizenship so they can then be legally deported. Keep it on the books, nice and clean.

    Your living will envy your dead.

    Which living?
    “And do not say about those who are killed in the way of Allah; ‘They are dead.’ Nay, they are alive, but you perceive [it] not.” (2:154)

    Look, this tough guy talk is all fine and probably scares the crap out of SJW Muslims who will likely apostate by higher numbers (in order to be able to stay and have the pressure off them) – not that it will help them.

    I’m a law-abiding citizen, I’ve outlined many times the legal ways to get things accomplished. I will obey the law if I am legally required to leave the US – no problems.

    If you come after our women and our babies – especially in our places of worship, we will put as many of you that attempt to do so into the ground as possible. If you end up lungshot on the ground at some point, you’ll have a few moments to reflect on whether it was worth it instead of going the perfectly reasonable legal route to get the same task accomplished.

    This kind of situation in life is part of the test – as per the verses that follow the above one:
    “And We will surely test you with something of fear and hunger and a loss of wealth and lives and fruits, but give good tidings to the patient. Who, when disaster strikes them, say, ‘Indeed we belong to Allah , and indeed to Him we will return.’” (2:155-156)

    You are more afraid of death than we are.

    virgin shooter vs chad Afghan uncle

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational

    I’m originally from Pakistan.
     
    Your skin is your uniform.  Stay here and you're as good as dead already.

    there is a legal way to get this all done. You elect leaders that vote for laws to be changed so you can strip people of citizenship
     
    We HAD laws on things like that, but everything legal has been subverted by kritarchs handing down decisions like Afroyim vs. Rusk and Obergefeld.  Californians voted overwhelmingly against fag marriage, and were overruled by someone who never stood for election.  We know we are not voting our oppressors out.  Your presence is a symptom, not a cause, but symptoms are legitimate targets of reaction.

    If you come after our women and our babies – especially in our places of worship
     
    ... the greatest likelihood is that you will have no warning, a lot of you will be dead without even suspecting you are under attack, and you will never see anyone who did the deed.

    I can think of multiple ways to take out large parts of a congregation or community without being seen or even setting foot in a premesis using stuff I can buy off the shelf in hardware and even toy stores.  This is what you're dealing with.  You are up against threats you cannot even conceive.  Remember that the White man ruled greater India for as long as he felt like you were worth the effort.  When he remembers what he is, kicking your survivors out will be no difficulty at all.  As for the rest, those not carrying persistent poisons will make suitable animal feed.  Americans love their dogs, and China will buy pork even if it was fed on dead mohammedans.

    I'm not threatening anything.  War is a young man's game, and I'm not young anymore.  But I know what I am, and if you had any idea what's coming you'd be on the next flight to Karachi just to be certain of being out of here before the cold civil war (already in progress) goes hot.
    , @Kevin O'Keeffe

    If you come after our women and our babies – especially in our places of worship, we will put as many of you that attempt to do so into the ground as possible.
     
    While I support the deportation of all Muslims from the USA (on a lawful basis, however), I can not criticize you for taking this attitude. This is a human universality.

    You are more afraid of death than we are.
     
    I suspect our Atheists & agnostics are much as your Atheists & agnostics are, but our Atheists & agnostics unfortunately make up a much larger percentage of our total (or so it appears; I don't have hard data on that). But some of us believe in God just as strongly as any Muslim. This fact, and its potential for significance, should not be discounted.
  91. @iffen
    Not all of those who are hardcore anti-Jewish espouse violence, but so far as I’m aware virtually all of those who espouse violence are hardcore anti-Jewish.

    Anecdotally, I know plenty of people who are defensively WNish that are not Jew-haters, but have no use for Muslims, blacks and assorted others.

    For a shooter to write up nearly 80 pages without much mentioning the JQ is especially unexpected.

    This didn’t click for me and I was glad that Talha posted his comment. I read quite a few pages and skimmed the rest. He is repetitive. In addition to the oddity of not mentioning the JQ he spends a lot of words on promoting ideas and themes that I think of as additions to white nationalism such as promoting a “Garden of Eden” view of the environment.

    Sure, but do any of them espouse violence? The legitimate fascists on our side of the great divide seems to all be stridently anti-Jewish. The Derb/Taylor wing is more libertarian and warmer towards Jews.

    • Replies: @iffen
    Sure, but do any of them espouse violence?

    No, but I think we could have violent WNs that are not hardcore anti-Semites. Dylann Roof soft-pedaled his anti-Semitism in his manifesto.

    I fully understand the point that it seems that the most violent are the most consumed by the anti-Semitism.

    (Maybe the Jew-haters are right. Jews evoke violence upon themselves.)
  92. @iffen
    While we are on the subject of discrepancies, I am sure everyone notices that when a black or Muslim goes on a killing spree the response of the Borg is: we need to place this in context, we need to try and understand his “feelings”, and we need to look at what society did to trigger this individual. Whereas, when it’s a WN the response is: this is just the tip of the iceberg, no one, as in no one, ever says we should examine the problems that the shooter mentions.

    I notice another discord between the JQ and white nationalism. There is this vast literature on the JQ. The UR is just one small slice. Some of it is very good. Just look at the current Andrew Joyce article for example. White nationalism is mostly just a collection of news clips about crimes by blacks on white victims. Describing the difference as several orders of magnitude does not capture it.

    Muslims, who are relatively collectivist, produce atomized individual shooters with no connection to the broader Muslim world.

    Whites, who are the most individualistic people on the planet, produce hivemind shooters who are merely acting out what most whites support.

    Perfectly reasonable!

    • Replies: @iffen
    atomized individual shooters with no connection to the broader Muslim world.

    The families of Kamikaze Muslims are supported for life by a Muslim honeycomb of networks. Multiple groups will try to claim Muslim terrorists as one of "theirs."

    When a white terrorist attacks the first thing that happens is the Borg trying to spin it as "tip of the iceberg." The 2nd thing that happens is that every "white nationalist" organization or group will disavow any connection the actor.

  93. @Mr. Rational

    I’m hoping someone has gone through the thing because I don’t think I’m up to the task.
     
    I went looking for it just to do ^F on it, and every link I've found thus far has been 404.  Someone has gone to great lengths to make certain that only the Official Narrative on the shooter and his manifesto gets heard.

    Well damn it. Thanks for trying.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    Persistence paid off at Kiwi Farms.

    Tarrant manifesto.
  94. @Audacious Epigone
    Muslims, who are relatively collectivist, produce atomized individual shooters with no connection to the broader Muslim world.

    Whites, who are the most individualistic people on the planet, produce hivemind shooters who are merely acting out what most whites support.

    Perfectly reasonable!

    atomized individual shooters with no connection to the broader Muslim world.

    The families of Kamikaze Muslims are supported for life by a Muslim honeycomb of networks. Multiple groups will try to claim Muslim terrorists as one of “theirs.”

    When a white terrorist attacks the first thing that happens is the Borg trying to spin it as “tip of the iceberg.” The 2nd thing that happens is that every “white nationalist” organization or group will disavow any connection the actor.

  95. @Audacious Epigone
    Sure, but do any of them espouse violence? The legitimate fascists on our side of the great divide seems to all be stridently anti-Jewish. The Derb/Taylor wing is more libertarian and warmer towards Jews.

    Sure, but do any of them espouse violence?

    No, but I think we could have violent WNs that are not hardcore anti-Semites. Dylann Roof soft-pedaled his anti-Semitism in his manifesto.

    I fully understand the point that it seems that the most violent are the most consumed by the anti-Semitism.

    (Maybe the Jew-haters are right. Jews evoke violence upon themselves.)

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Blaming the victim could have two very different meanings here!
  96. @iffen
    Sure, but do any of them espouse violence?

    No, but I think we could have violent WNs that are not hardcore anti-Semites. Dylann Roof soft-pedaled his anti-Semitism in his manifesto.

    I fully understand the point that it seems that the most violent are the most consumed by the anti-Semitism.

    (Maybe the Jew-haters are right. Jews evoke violence upon themselves.)

    Blaming the victim could have two very different meanings here!

  97. @Talha

    You don’t get a say in the matter.
     
    Well, the assumption in my response was that the proposition to allow a section of the US to secede to form the Republic of Whitekanda would be put to a vote or some sort of plebiscite. In which case, I would have a say as a US citizen.

    something your Balkan ancestors
     
    I'm originally from Pakistan.

    When this creativity is turned to making you feel acutely unwelcome in White countries
     
    Look - as I've pointed out, there is a legal way to get this all done. You elect leaders that vote for laws to be changed so you can strip people of citizenship so they can then be legally deported. Keep it on the books, nice and clean.

    Your living will envy your dead.
     
    Which living?
    "And do not say about those who are killed in the way of Allah; 'They are dead.' Nay, they are alive, but you perceive [it] not." (2:154)

    Look, this tough guy talk is all fine and probably scares the crap out of SJW Muslims who will likely apostate by higher numbers (in order to be able to stay and have the pressure off them) - not that it will help them.

    I'm a law-abiding citizen, I've outlined many times the legal ways to get things accomplished. I will obey the law if I am legally required to leave the US - no problems.

    If you come after our women and our babies - especially in our places of worship, we will put as many of you that attempt to do so into the ground as possible. If you end up lungshot on the ground at some point, you'll have a few moments to reflect on whether it was worth it instead of going the perfectly reasonable legal route to get the same task accomplished.

    This kind of situation in life is part of the test - as per the verses that follow the above one:
    "And We will surely test you with something of fear and hunger and a loss of wealth and lives and fruits, but give good tidings to the patient. Who, when disaster strikes them, say, 'Indeed we belong to Allah , and indeed to Him we will return.'" (2:155-156)

    You are more afraid of death than we are.

    virgin shooter vs chad Afghan uncle
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D19cdRTWoAAO1CP.jpg

    I’m originally from Pakistan.

    Your skin is your uniform.  Stay here and you’re as good as dead already.

    there is a legal way to get this all done. You elect leaders that vote for laws to be changed so you can strip people of citizenship

    We HAD laws on things like that, but everything legal has been subverted by kritarchs handing down decisions like Afroyim vs. Rusk and Obergefeld.  Californians voted overwhelmingly against fag marriage, and were overruled by someone who never stood for election.  We know we are not voting our oppressors out.  Your presence is a symptom, not a cause, but symptoms are legitimate targets of reaction.

    If you come after our women and our babies – especially in our places of worship

    … the greatest likelihood is that you will have no warning, a lot of you will be dead without even suspecting you are under attack, and you will never see anyone who did the deed.

    I can think of multiple ways to take out large parts of a congregation or community without being seen or even setting foot in a premesis using stuff I can buy off the shelf in hardware and even toy stores.  This is what you’re dealing with.  You are up against threats you cannot even conceive.  Remember that the White man ruled greater India for as long as he felt like you were worth the effort.  When he remembers what he is, kicking your survivors out will be no difficulty at all.  As for the rest, those not carrying persistent poisons will make suitable animal feed.  Americans love their dogs, and China will buy pork even if it was fed on dead mohammedans.

    I’m not threatening anything.  War is a young man’s game, and I’m not young anymore.  But I know what I am, and if you had any idea what’s coming you’d be on the next flight to Karachi just to be certain of being out of here before the cold civil war (already in progress) goes hot.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    I’m not threatening anything.

    Good. Please try to ensure your posts make that apparent without it having to be stated explicitly.
    , @Talha

    Your presence is a symptom, not a cause, but symptoms are legitimate targets of reaction.
     
    Yeah, that’s pretty much the same utilitarian calculus our extremists engage in.

    I can think of multiple ways to take out large parts
     
    Are you trying to tell me you are awesome sauce at insurgency because you’re White and can take out mosque congregations? Really? I’m supposed to be impressed?

    Bro, Muslims have been taking on fully mechanized armies that have full air superiority for the last few decades. Ask the Israelis how creative and resourceful an enemy can get. Maybe you can bring them over for consultation.


    When he remembers what he is, kicking your survivors out will be no difficulty at all.
     
    I didn’t say we’d win, I just said we would take as many military age males that threaten us and our families out. As any males would do to those that physically threaten their families.

    The fact that someone like yourself has no compunctions about imagining creative ways of getting rid of our women and children is all I need to know about where your moral compass is, like those of our extremists. They come up with creative ways too and make videos about it, I’m guessing yours will be higher quality.


    I’m not young anymore
     
    I’d never ask anyone to fight a fight that I wouldn’t myself undertake nor have one of my sons undertake. That’s the kind of stuff Neocons do. Not respectable. Can you convince one of your sons of the moral necessity to curb stomp women and children and sic dogs on them for the good of the White race?

    if you had any idea what’s coming
     
    This Ummah has to be spiritually and mentally prepared to take on Dajjal, White nationalist extremists are chump change.
    “It is only Shaitan that causes you to fear his supporters. Do not fear them, fear Me if you are believers.” (3:175)

    “Those to whom men said: ‘Indeed the people have gathered against you, therefore fear them!’ But this (merely) increased their faith, and they said: “Allah suffices us and is the most excellent Guardian.’” (3:175)

    Again, you are more afraid of death than we are.

    Furthermore, you assume antics like this will bring people to your side. Our extremists also thought like this; the bloodier, the better they thought. Big tough, macho guys enslaving unarmed Yazidis - so brave...until they pissed off and filled so many people with revulsion that they were crushed by a coalition of people including the ones they claimed to represent - their “caliphate” lasted what, a whopping 3 years?

    Figure out a way to do it the legal way, better for everyone.

  98. @Audacious Epigone
    Well damn it. Thanks for trying.

    Persistence paid off at Kiwi Farms.

    Tarrant manifesto.

  99. Thanks for finding that.

    This is the only thing returned in a text search for “Jew” or “Judaism”:

    A jew living in israel is no enemy of mine, so long as they do not seek
    to subvert or harm my people.

    • Replies: @iffen
    A jew living in israel is no enemy of mine


    Does this intimate that Jews in the Diaspora are his enemy? For me the prime thread in the JQ is the Diaspora Jews. Uber Jew-haters hate'm no matter where they are: Israel, the Diaspora, Heaven or Hell, past, present and future.
  100. @Mr. Rational

    I’m originally from Pakistan.
     
    Your skin is your uniform.  Stay here and you're as good as dead already.

    there is a legal way to get this all done. You elect leaders that vote for laws to be changed so you can strip people of citizenship
     
    We HAD laws on things like that, but everything legal has been subverted by kritarchs handing down decisions like Afroyim vs. Rusk and Obergefeld.  Californians voted overwhelmingly against fag marriage, and were overruled by someone who never stood for election.  We know we are not voting our oppressors out.  Your presence is a symptom, not a cause, but symptoms are legitimate targets of reaction.

    If you come after our women and our babies – especially in our places of worship
     
    ... the greatest likelihood is that you will have no warning, a lot of you will be dead without even suspecting you are under attack, and you will never see anyone who did the deed.

    I can think of multiple ways to take out large parts of a congregation or community without being seen or even setting foot in a premesis using stuff I can buy off the shelf in hardware and even toy stores.  This is what you're dealing with.  You are up against threats you cannot even conceive.  Remember that the White man ruled greater India for as long as he felt like you were worth the effort.  When he remembers what he is, kicking your survivors out will be no difficulty at all.  As for the rest, those not carrying persistent poisons will make suitable animal feed.  Americans love their dogs, and China will buy pork even if it was fed on dead mohammedans.

    I'm not threatening anything.  War is a young man's game, and I'm not young anymore.  But I know what I am, and if you had any idea what's coming you'd be on the next flight to Karachi just to be certain of being out of here before the cold civil war (already in progress) goes hot.

    I’m not threatening anything.

    Good. Please try to ensure your posts make that apparent without it having to be stated explicitly.

  101. @Mr. Rational

    I’m originally from Pakistan.
     
    Your skin is your uniform.  Stay here and you're as good as dead already.

    there is a legal way to get this all done. You elect leaders that vote for laws to be changed so you can strip people of citizenship
     
    We HAD laws on things like that, but everything legal has been subverted by kritarchs handing down decisions like Afroyim vs. Rusk and Obergefeld.  Californians voted overwhelmingly against fag marriage, and were overruled by someone who never stood for election.  We know we are not voting our oppressors out.  Your presence is a symptom, not a cause, but symptoms are legitimate targets of reaction.

    If you come after our women and our babies – especially in our places of worship
     
    ... the greatest likelihood is that you will have no warning, a lot of you will be dead without even suspecting you are under attack, and you will never see anyone who did the deed.

    I can think of multiple ways to take out large parts of a congregation or community without being seen or even setting foot in a premesis using stuff I can buy off the shelf in hardware and even toy stores.  This is what you're dealing with.  You are up against threats you cannot even conceive.  Remember that the White man ruled greater India for as long as he felt like you were worth the effort.  When he remembers what he is, kicking your survivors out will be no difficulty at all.  As for the rest, those not carrying persistent poisons will make suitable animal feed.  Americans love their dogs, and China will buy pork even if it was fed on dead mohammedans.

    I'm not threatening anything.  War is a young man's game, and I'm not young anymore.  But I know what I am, and if you had any idea what's coming you'd be on the next flight to Karachi just to be certain of being out of here before the cold civil war (already in progress) goes hot.

    Your presence is a symptom, not a cause, but symptoms are legitimate targets of reaction.

    Yeah, that’s pretty much the same utilitarian calculus our extremists engage in.

    I can think of multiple ways to take out large parts

    Are you trying to tell me you are awesome sauce at insurgency because you’re White and can take out mosque congregations? Really? I’m supposed to be impressed?

    Bro, Muslims have been taking on fully mechanized armies that have full air superiority for the last few decades. Ask the Israelis how creative and resourceful an enemy can get. Maybe you can bring them over for consultation.

    When he remembers what he is, kicking your survivors out will be no difficulty at all.

    I didn’t say we’d win, I just said we would take as many military age males that threaten us and our families out. As any males would do to those that physically threaten their families.

    The fact that someone like yourself has no compunctions about imagining creative ways of getting rid of our women and children is all I need to know about where your moral compass is, like those of our extremists. They come up with creative ways too and make videos about it, I’m guessing yours will be higher quality.

    I’m not young anymore

    I’d never ask anyone to fight a fight that I wouldn’t myself undertake nor have one of my sons undertake. That’s the kind of stuff Neocons do. Not respectable. Can you convince one of your sons of the moral necessity to curb stomp women and children and sic dogs on them for the good of the White race?

    if you had any idea what’s coming

    This Ummah has to be spiritually and mentally prepared to take on Dajjal, White nationalist extremists are chump change.
    “It is only Shaitan that causes you to fear his supporters. Do not fear them, fear Me if you are believers.” (3:175)

    “Those to whom men said: ‘Indeed the people have gathered against you, therefore fear them!’ But this (merely) increased their faith, and they said: “Allah suffices us and is the most excellent Guardian.’” (3:175)

    Again, you are more afraid of death than we are.

    Furthermore, you assume antics like this will bring people to your side. Our extremists also thought like this; the bloodier, the better they thought. Big tough, macho guys enslaving unarmed Yazidis – so brave…until they pissed off and filled so many people with revulsion that they were crushed by a coalition of people including the ones they claimed to represent – their “caliphate” lasted what, a whopping 3 years?

    Figure out a way to do it the legal way, better for everyone.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational

    that’s pretty much the same utilitarian calculus our extremists engage in.
     
    The second generation mohammedans in Western countries tend to be extremists.  They do not understand what their parents got them away from, or why.

    Are you trying to tell me you are awesome sauce at insurgency because you’re White and can take out mosque congregations?
     
    I'm trying to get you to understand that your situation is analogous to the Japanese watching the Enola Gay fly toward Hiroshima.  Presence of mind is good.  Absence of body is better.

    Muslims have been taking on fully mechanized armies that have full air superiority for the last few decades.
     
    Armies which were badly outnumbered and operating outside their home countries.  But YOU are badly outnumbered, and YOU are in MY home country.

    You can get rid of the threat quite peacefully by hopping a plane to Karachi.  I'd much rather not see anyone have to fight you because you simply went home.

    Ask the Israelis how creative and resourceful an enemy can get.
     
    For people who are outnumbered tens to one in the region, and have beaten off several wars of attempted extermination, they're doing pretty well.

    Now imagine you are facing Israelis, but YOU are outnumbered fifty or a hundred to one.  Is hijra worth it?

    I just said we would take as many military age males that threaten us and our families out.
     
    Why stay and wait for it to happen?

    The fact that someone like yourself has no compunctions about imagining creative ways of getting rid of our women and children is all I need to know about where your moral compass is
     
    YOUR women and children threaten MINE; nits make lice.  I love my own and hate those who endanger their existence.  You have another country awaiting you; I do not.  Your insistence on staying here tells me all I need to know about YOUR moral compass.

    I’d never ask anyone to fight a fight that I wouldn’t myself undertake nor have one of my sons undertake.
     
    I'm going to teach all mine to shoot when they are ready.  I'm also going to teach them all the arts and sciences they need to know to be the deadliest SOBs on the planet.

    Can you convince one of your sons of the moral necessity to curb stomp women and children and sic dogs on them for the good of the White race?
     
    That's both pointless and way too personal.  When the end of an operation is simply walking into buildings and throwing the bodies in a refrigerated van, or bulldozing the smoldering ruins of buildings which exploded in the middle of the night taking all the occupants with them, they won't be seeing or inflicting pain.  Removing the enemy wholesale without pain or confrontation is still winning.

    Getting the enemy to decide they'd rather be in another country far away is the best win of all.

    This Ummah has to be spiritually and mentally prepared to take on Dajjal
     
    Dajjal was projection on Mo's part.  Salman Rushdie had to spend years in hiding because he got way too close to the truth.

    you are more afraid of death than we are.
     
    Fine by me.  "The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his." — Gen. George S. Patton.  It's strange how your willingness to die has not given the numerically superior Arab armies any great wins over Israel, is it not?

    you assume antics like this will bring people to your side.
     
    I'm assuming that leaving smoking holes where there had been enemy-occupied no-go zones, and the immediate peace and quiet that follows from the crime wave and rape gangs suddenly being gone, will convince people on my side that we're acting in their interest and people on your side that you'd rather be elsewhere.

    Figure out a way to do it the legal way, better for everyone.
     
    There is no "legal" way, as our laws have been subverted and turned into "heads they win tails you lose, Whitey."  Dealing with those subversives will be part and parcel of the war, of course.
  102. In a violent situation, the operative assumption of the one being attacked should never be that deescalation has been achieved before confirmation that it has been can be made. When someone is hit from behind with a hard object and an unknown liquid substance, one should not immediately assume it is an innocuous egg but instead assume it is something like a glass vial of acid. Assuming the former is how a person gets himself killed.

    Someone who has never so much as been shoved to the ground on the playground at recess is not going to be able to instinctively understand that, though. Elite white privilege, you might call it.

    I don’t have a lot to say in response to this, other than that it’s a smart analysis, and I couldn’t agree more.

  103. @Talha

    You don’t get a say in the matter.
     
    Well, the assumption in my response was that the proposition to allow a section of the US to secede to form the Republic of Whitekanda would be put to a vote or some sort of plebiscite. In which case, I would have a say as a US citizen.

    something your Balkan ancestors
     
    I'm originally from Pakistan.

    When this creativity is turned to making you feel acutely unwelcome in White countries
     
    Look - as I've pointed out, there is a legal way to get this all done. You elect leaders that vote for laws to be changed so you can strip people of citizenship so they can then be legally deported. Keep it on the books, nice and clean.

    Your living will envy your dead.
     
    Which living?
    "And do not say about those who are killed in the way of Allah; 'They are dead.' Nay, they are alive, but you perceive [it] not." (2:154)

    Look, this tough guy talk is all fine and probably scares the crap out of SJW Muslims who will likely apostate by higher numbers (in order to be able to stay and have the pressure off them) - not that it will help them.

    I'm a law-abiding citizen, I've outlined many times the legal ways to get things accomplished. I will obey the law if I am legally required to leave the US - no problems.

    If you come after our women and our babies - especially in our places of worship, we will put as many of you that attempt to do so into the ground as possible. If you end up lungshot on the ground at some point, you'll have a few moments to reflect on whether it was worth it instead of going the perfectly reasonable legal route to get the same task accomplished.

    This kind of situation in life is part of the test - as per the verses that follow the above one:
    "And We will surely test you with something of fear and hunger and a loss of wealth and lives and fruits, but give good tidings to the patient. Who, when disaster strikes them, say, 'Indeed we belong to Allah , and indeed to Him we will return.'" (2:155-156)

    You are more afraid of death than we are.

    virgin shooter vs chad Afghan uncle
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D19cdRTWoAAO1CP.jpg

    If you come after our women and our babies – especially in our places of worship, we will put as many of you that attempt to do so into the ground as possible.

    While I support the deportation of all Muslims from the USA (on a lawful basis, however), I can not criticize you for taking this attitude. This is a human universality.

    You are more afraid of death than we are.

    I suspect our Atheists & agnostics are much as your Atheists & agnostics are, but our Atheists & agnostics unfortunately make up a much larger percentage of our total (or so it appears; I don’t have hard data on that). But some of us believe in God just as strongly as any Muslim. This fact, and its potential for significance, should not be discounted.

    • Replies: @Talha

    But some of us believe in God just as strongly as any Muslim. This fact, and its potential for significance, should not be discounted.
     
    Absolutely. I expect more from those who believe in God (even if I disagree with the details) than amoral utilitarian calculus...as can be seen by your regard for the rule of law.

    I'm sure you'd agree that if one finds masses of purportedly religious people operating on the same principles and indistinguishable in their approach to an issue than materialists/atheists...well, you simply have the dying embers of a religion at this point.

    As you noted, my words are not about harming others (I have zero interest in this), only being resolute in protecting our families and places of worship.

    Peace.
  104. @Talha

    Your presence is a symptom, not a cause, but symptoms are legitimate targets of reaction.
     
    Yeah, that’s pretty much the same utilitarian calculus our extremists engage in.

    I can think of multiple ways to take out large parts
     
    Are you trying to tell me you are awesome sauce at insurgency because you’re White and can take out mosque congregations? Really? I’m supposed to be impressed?

    Bro, Muslims have been taking on fully mechanized armies that have full air superiority for the last few decades. Ask the Israelis how creative and resourceful an enemy can get. Maybe you can bring them over for consultation.


    When he remembers what he is, kicking your survivors out will be no difficulty at all.
     
    I didn’t say we’d win, I just said we would take as many military age males that threaten us and our families out. As any males would do to those that physically threaten their families.

    The fact that someone like yourself has no compunctions about imagining creative ways of getting rid of our women and children is all I need to know about where your moral compass is, like those of our extremists. They come up with creative ways too and make videos about it, I’m guessing yours will be higher quality.


    I’m not young anymore
     
    I’d never ask anyone to fight a fight that I wouldn’t myself undertake nor have one of my sons undertake. That’s the kind of stuff Neocons do. Not respectable. Can you convince one of your sons of the moral necessity to curb stomp women and children and sic dogs on them for the good of the White race?

    if you had any idea what’s coming
     
    This Ummah has to be spiritually and mentally prepared to take on Dajjal, White nationalist extremists are chump change.
    “It is only Shaitan that causes you to fear his supporters. Do not fear them, fear Me if you are believers.” (3:175)

    “Those to whom men said: ‘Indeed the people have gathered against you, therefore fear them!’ But this (merely) increased their faith, and they said: “Allah suffices us and is the most excellent Guardian.’” (3:175)

    Again, you are more afraid of death than we are.

    Furthermore, you assume antics like this will bring people to your side. Our extremists also thought like this; the bloodier, the better they thought. Big tough, macho guys enslaving unarmed Yazidis - so brave...until they pissed off and filled so many people with revulsion that they were crushed by a coalition of people including the ones they claimed to represent - their “caliphate” lasted what, a whopping 3 years?

    Figure out a way to do it the legal way, better for everyone.

    that’s pretty much the same utilitarian calculus our extremists engage in.

    The second generation mohammedans in Western countries tend to be extremists.  They do not understand what their parents got them away from, or why.

    Are you trying to tell me you are awesome sauce at insurgency because you’re White and can take out mosque congregations?

    I’m trying to get you to understand that your situation is analogous to the Japanese watching the Enola Gay fly toward Hiroshima.  Presence of mind is good.  Absence of body is better.

    Muslims have been taking on fully mechanized armies that have full air superiority for the last few decades.

    Armies which were badly outnumbered and operating outside their home countries.  But YOU are badly outnumbered, and YOU are in MY home country.

    You can get rid of the threat quite peacefully by hopping a plane to Karachi.  I’d much rather not see anyone have to fight you because you simply went home.

    Ask the Israelis how creative and resourceful an enemy can get.

    For people who are outnumbered tens to one in the region, and have beaten off several wars of attempted extermination, they’re doing pretty well.

    Now imagine you are facing Israelis, but YOU are outnumbered fifty or a hundred to one.  Is hijra worth it?

    I just said we would take as many military age males that threaten us and our families out.

    Why stay and wait for it to happen?

    The fact that someone like yourself has no compunctions about imagining creative ways of getting rid of our women and children is all I need to know about where your moral compass is

    YOUR women and children threaten MINE; nits make lice.  I love my own and hate those who endanger their existence.  You have another country awaiting you; I do not.  Your insistence on staying here tells me all I need to know about YOUR moral compass.

    I’d never ask anyone to fight a fight that I wouldn’t myself undertake nor have one of my sons undertake.

    I’m going to teach all mine to shoot when they are ready.  I’m also going to teach them all the arts and sciences they need to know to be the deadliest SOBs on the planet.

    Can you convince one of your sons of the moral necessity to curb stomp women and children and sic dogs on them for the good of the White race?

    That’s both pointless and way too personal.  When the end of an operation is simply walking into buildings and throwing the bodies in a refrigerated van, or bulldozing the smoldering ruins of buildings which exploded in the middle of the night taking all the occupants with them, they won’t be seeing or inflicting pain.  Removing the enemy wholesale without pain or confrontation is still winning.

    Getting the enemy to decide they’d rather be in another country far away is the best win of all.

    This Ummah has to be spiritually and mentally prepared to take on Dajjal

    Dajjal was projection on Mo’s part.  Salman Rushdie had to spend years in hiding because he got way too close to the truth.

    you are more afraid of death than we are.

    Fine by me.  “The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his.” — Gen. George S. Patton.  It’s strange how your willingness to die has not given the numerically superior Arab armies any great wins over Israel, is it not?

    you assume antics like this will bring people to your side.

    I’m assuming that leaving smoking holes where there had been enemy-occupied no-go zones, and the immediate peace and quiet that follows from the crime wave and rape gangs suddenly being gone, will convince people on my side that we’re acting in their interest and people on your side that you’d rather be elsewhere.

    Figure out a way to do it the legal way, better for everyone.

    There is no “legal” way, as our laws have been subverted and turned into “heads they win tails you lose, Whitey.”  Dealing with those subversives will be part and parcel of the war, of course.

    • Replies: @Talha

    tend to be extremists.
     
    "Tend to be?" Ridiculous. I've grown up with second-generation Muslims from multiple different communities across the US. I have yet to come across a single one in my interactions with hundreds that likes or supports the actions of groups like AQ or Daesh. Are there some within our communities? For sure - is that what they tend towards? No. I've actually met more that lean towards Left-liberal nonsense.

    I don't know about Europe enough to talk about trends. On top of that - someone with your views labeled others "extremist" is a punchline to a joke.

    Now imagine you are facing Israelis, but YOU are outnumbered fifty or a hundred to one.
     
    That may be the case in Europe. But as far as the US, you said yourself, you play the skins game. Anyone whose skin is the wrong color is your enemy. Even people like Twinkie's kids are your enemy. Why would Latinos or Native Americans or Asians support you going helter-skelter after Muslim women and children when you are simply after their's as well? You seem to think all Whites would sit idly by and support this action. The reaction I'm seeing from regular Kiwis seems to support the idea that pushing for extremes is counter-productive. NZ just broadcast the adhan to every household - you think that has happened before?
    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/new-zealand-broadcasts-islamic-call-prayer-honor-50-who-died-n986121

    How many Whites like those attending that moment of silence are people like you willing to kill because you purport to love Whites so much?

    The fastest growing demographic in our community are Latinos (you think their relatives are going to be cool with White-nationalist extremists hunting them down...homie?):
    https://video.vice.com/en_uk/video/minority-reports-why-latinos-are-converting-to-islam/5b7f19dabe40774cbe72f892

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nRuCk0GjzQ

    For people who are outnumbered tens to one in the region, and have beaten off several wars of attempted extermination
     
    I find it amusing how many of you guys claim to be "Jew-wise" to Zionist propaganda and swallow it whole in the next breath.

    Is hijra worth it?
     
    I might indeed make Hijrah, based on plenty of different factors - the major one being the opinion of the ulema I follow. If they say; pull the plug and let's go back - I'll follow their lead. Other factors are also included, like if I find one of my sons starting to question his gender or something. I'm certainly not going to make my decision based on some anonymous on-line threats.

    You say you offer no quarter - I expect none from someone like you.

    Why stay and wait for it to happen?
     
    Because I'm not certain it will. I live in the US - not in Pakistan. I've been around hundreds of Whites from all walks of life. The vast majority of them are good decent people. My wife and I are on first name basis with both our mayor and chief of police since we sit on city planning groups.

    What I mostly see is that plenty of Whites are fed up with the constant push against them by the Liberal-Left (especially the elites and the attitudes of others) as they should be. If the Left would simply back off of certain things, namely:
    1) Treat White honor and dignity like anybody else's in the public sphere such that insulting Whites on racial grounds is as abhorrent as insulting anyone else
    2) Stop pushing for more immigration (educated or otherwise)
    3) Stop having quota requirements for various ethnicities and return to a pure meritocratic system
    4) Stop criminalizing or denying Whites their freedom of association
    5) (related to the last point) Pull back the Federal intrusiveness so that states can once again be more in control such that individual states could allow for local Whites-only areas

    ...then support for anything close to what you are calling for would dry up relatively quickly. And in fact, if you were to keep pressing for an ethnic-cleansing, Whites themselves would isolate you as dead-end losers.

    The extreme policies of the Left have been leading to extreme reactions and ideologies. Just like there needed to be a complete breakdown of civil order in two countries before a group like Daesh could take form.

    YOUR women and children threaten MINE; nits make lice.
     
    This is what you must keep telling yourself to convince yourself you have a moral leg to stand on when targeting women and children for elimination.

    to be the deadliest SOBs on the planet
     
    You don't need to LARP at being Rambo when you want to eliminate women and children, it's honestly not that hard:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1OS-epbAmc

    Dajjal was projection
     
    Really? Why are people like the alleged NZ shooter using the mark of the beast?
    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/03/16/00/11058564-0-image-a-8_1552695927927.jpg

    I know, I know - yes, you're in full control. You're not being led down any path by anything. Demons don't exist. This is all going according to your plan.

    It’s strange how your willingness to die has not given the numerically superior Arab armies any great wins over Israel, is it not?
     
    Why would it? The Arabs were trying to play at someone else's game - not the one they are good at. The one they are good at was what they did to Israel in Lebanon multiple times. And the one they did to drive out the Ottomans at the behest of the British. Which was fairly stupid, because the Ottomans (with a very capable officer crops and Turkish and Bosnian garrisons supported by local Arab auxiliaries) were the ones that were good at the other game (ask the ANZAC about Gallipoli). The Israelis wouldn't have stood a chance against the Ottomans, but hey, Arabs got to lose all on their own at the hands of Arab officers...so that's worth something.

    I’m assuming that leaving smoking holes where there had been enemy-occupied no-go zones, and the immediate peace and quiet that follows from the crime wave and rape gangs
     
    I don't live in Europe. I'm talking about the US. I have little clue what will happen in Europe.

    Dealing with those subversives will be part and parcel of the war, of course.
     
    Just like Breivik did. I'm sure when you guys start offing hundreds of Liberal-type Whites and their kids, they'll also understand you are doing it for their own good. Just like Sunnis did with Daesh...oh wait:
    "ISIS spends most of its time and energy killing Muslims, and its mass graves tell the tale...And the vast majority would also have been moderate Sunni Muslims, belonging to the Sunni Arab tribes of Deir ez-Zor province. So if these victims were Sunni Muslims, just like the ISIS fighters, why did the latter so brutally kill them? Because they refused to bow to ISIS' nihilistic vision of Salafi-domination. Choosing freedom over tyranny, men and boys from tribes like al-Shaitat were slaughtered with a psychotic mix of means, including beheading and rocket propelled grenades. Women were enslaved and some others slaughtered in brutal ways. Children too."
    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/isis-spends-most-of-its-time-and-energy-killing-muslims-and-its-mass-graves-tell-the-tale
  105. @Kevin O'Keeffe

    If you come after our women and our babies – especially in our places of worship, we will put as many of you that attempt to do so into the ground as possible.
     
    While I support the deportation of all Muslims from the USA (on a lawful basis, however), I can not criticize you for taking this attitude. This is a human universality.

    You are more afraid of death than we are.
     
    I suspect our Atheists & agnostics are much as your Atheists & agnostics are, but our Atheists & agnostics unfortunately make up a much larger percentage of our total (or so it appears; I don't have hard data on that). But some of us believe in God just as strongly as any Muslim. This fact, and its potential for significance, should not be discounted.

    But some of us believe in God just as strongly as any Muslim. This fact, and its potential for significance, should not be discounted.

    Absolutely. I expect more from those who believe in God (even if I disagree with the details) than amoral utilitarian calculus…as can be seen by your regard for the rule of law.

    I’m sure you’d agree that if one finds masses of purportedly religious people operating on the same principles and indistinguishable in their approach to an issue than materialists/atheists…well, you simply have the dying embers of a religion at this point.

    As you noted, my words are not about harming others (I have zero interest in this), only being resolute in protecting our families and places of worship.

    Peace.

  106. Talha says:
    @Mr. Rational

    that’s pretty much the same utilitarian calculus our extremists engage in.
     
    The second generation mohammedans in Western countries tend to be extremists.  They do not understand what their parents got them away from, or why.

    Are you trying to tell me you are awesome sauce at insurgency because you’re White and can take out mosque congregations?
     
    I'm trying to get you to understand that your situation is analogous to the Japanese watching the Enola Gay fly toward Hiroshima.  Presence of mind is good.  Absence of body is better.

    Muslims have been taking on fully mechanized armies that have full air superiority for the last few decades.
     
    Armies which were badly outnumbered and operating outside their home countries.  But YOU are badly outnumbered, and YOU are in MY home country.

    You can get rid of the threat quite peacefully by hopping a plane to Karachi.  I'd much rather not see anyone have to fight you because you simply went home.

    Ask the Israelis how creative and resourceful an enemy can get.
     
    For people who are outnumbered tens to one in the region, and have beaten off several wars of attempted extermination, they're doing pretty well.

    Now imagine you are facing Israelis, but YOU are outnumbered fifty or a hundred to one.  Is hijra worth it?

    I just said we would take as many military age males that threaten us and our families out.
     
    Why stay and wait for it to happen?

    The fact that someone like yourself has no compunctions about imagining creative ways of getting rid of our women and children is all I need to know about where your moral compass is
     
    YOUR women and children threaten MINE; nits make lice.  I love my own and hate those who endanger their existence.  You have another country awaiting you; I do not.  Your insistence on staying here tells me all I need to know about YOUR moral compass.

    I’d never ask anyone to fight a fight that I wouldn’t myself undertake nor have one of my sons undertake.
     
    I'm going to teach all mine to shoot when they are ready.  I'm also going to teach them all the arts and sciences they need to know to be the deadliest SOBs on the planet.

    Can you convince one of your sons of the moral necessity to curb stomp women and children and sic dogs on them for the good of the White race?
     
    That's both pointless and way too personal.  When the end of an operation is simply walking into buildings and throwing the bodies in a refrigerated van, or bulldozing the smoldering ruins of buildings which exploded in the middle of the night taking all the occupants with them, they won't be seeing or inflicting pain.  Removing the enemy wholesale without pain or confrontation is still winning.

    Getting the enemy to decide they'd rather be in another country far away is the best win of all.

    This Ummah has to be spiritually and mentally prepared to take on Dajjal
     
    Dajjal was projection on Mo's part.  Salman Rushdie had to spend years in hiding because he got way too close to the truth.

    you are more afraid of death than we are.
     
    Fine by me.  "The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his." — Gen. George S. Patton.  It's strange how your willingness to die has not given the numerically superior Arab armies any great wins over Israel, is it not?

    you assume antics like this will bring people to your side.
     
    I'm assuming that leaving smoking holes where there had been enemy-occupied no-go zones, and the immediate peace and quiet that follows from the crime wave and rape gangs suddenly being gone, will convince people on my side that we're acting in their interest and people on your side that you'd rather be elsewhere.

    Figure out a way to do it the legal way, better for everyone.
     
    There is no "legal" way, as our laws have been subverted and turned into "heads they win tails you lose, Whitey."  Dealing with those subversives will be part and parcel of the war, of course.

    tend to be extremists.

    “Tend to be?” Ridiculous. I’ve grown up with second-generation Muslims from multiple different communities across the US. I have yet to come across a single one in my interactions with hundreds that likes or supports the actions of groups like AQ or Daesh. Are there some within our communities? For sure – is that what they tend towards? No. I’ve actually met more that lean towards Left-liberal nonsense.

    I don’t know about Europe enough to talk about trends. On top of that – someone with your views labeled others “extremist” is a punchline to a joke.

    Now imagine you are facing Israelis, but YOU are outnumbered fifty or a hundred to one.

    That may be the case in Europe. But as far as the US, you said yourself, you play the skins game. Anyone whose skin is the wrong color is your enemy. Even people like Twinkie’s kids are your enemy. Why would Latinos or Native Americans or Asians support you going helter-skelter after Muslim women and children when you are simply after their’s as well? You seem to think all Whites would sit idly by and support this action. The reaction I’m seeing from regular Kiwis seems to support the idea that pushing for extremes is counter-productive. NZ just broadcast the adhan to every household – you think that has happened before?
    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/new-zealand-broadcasts-islamic-call-prayer-honor-50-who-died-n986121

    How many Whites like those attending that moment of silence are people like you willing to kill because you purport to love Whites so much?

    The fastest growing demographic in our community are Latinos (you think their relatives are going to be cool with White-nationalist extremists hunting them down…homie?):
    https://video.vice.com/en_uk/video/minority-reports-why-latinos-are-converting-to-islam/5b7f19dabe40774cbe72f892

    For people who are outnumbered tens to one in the region, and have beaten off several wars of attempted extermination

    I find it amusing how many of you guys claim to be “Jew-wise” to Zionist propaganda and swallow it whole in the next breath.

    Is hijra worth it?

    I might indeed make Hijrah, based on plenty of different factors – the major one being the opinion of the ulema I follow. If they say; pull the plug and let’s go back – I’ll follow their lead. Other factors are also included, like if I find one of my sons starting to question his gender or something. I’m certainly not going to make my decision based on some anonymous on-line threats.

    You say you offer no quarter – I expect none from someone like you.

    Why stay and wait for it to happen?

    Because I’m not certain it will. I live in the US – not in Pakistan. I’ve been around hundreds of Whites from all walks of life. The vast majority of them are good decent people. My wife and I are on first name basis with both our mayor and chief of police since we sit on city planning groups.

    What I mostly see is that plenty of Whites are fed up with the constant push against them by the Liberal-Left (especially the elites and the attitudes of others) as they should be. If the Left would simply back off of certain things, namely:
    1) Treat White honor and dignity like anybody else’s in the public sphere such that insulting Whites on racial grounds is as abhorrent as insulting anyone else
    2) Stop pushing for more immigration (educated or otherwise)
    3) Stop having quota requirements for various ethnicities and return to a pure meritocratic system
    4) Stop criminalizing or denying Whites their freedom of association
    5) (related to the last point) Pull back the Federal intrusiveness so that states can once again be more in control such that individual states could allow for local Whites-only areas

    …then support for anything close to what you are calling for would dry up relatively quickly. And in fact, if you were to keep pressing for an ethnic-cleansing, Whites themselves would isolate you as dead-end losers.

    The extreme policies of the Left have been leading to extreme reactions and ideologies. Just like there needed to be a complete breakdown of civil order in two countries before a group like Daesh could take form.

    YOUR women and children threaten MINE; nits make lice.

    This is what you must keep telling yourself to convince yourself you have a moral leg to stand on when targeting women and children for elimination.

    to be the deadliest SOBs on the planet

    You don’t need to LARP at being Rambo when you want to eliminate women and children, it’s honestly not that hard:

    Dajjal was projection

    Really? Why are people like the alleged NZ shooter using the mark of the beast?

    I know, I know – yes, you’re in full control. You’re not being led down any path by anything. Demons don’t exist. This is all going according to your plan.

    It’s strange how your willingness to die has not given the numerically superior Arab armies any great wins over Israel, is it not?

    Why would it? The Arabs were trying to play at someone else’s game – not the one they are good at. The one they are good at was what they did to Israel in Lebanon multiple times. And the one they did to drive out the Ottomans at the behest of the British. Which was fairly stupid, because the Ottomans (with a very capable officer crops and Turkish and Bosnian garrisons supported by local Arab auxiliaries) were the ones that were good at the other game (ask the ANZAC about Gallipoli). The Israelis wouldn’t have stood a chance against the Ottomans, but hey, Arabs got to lose all on their own at the hands of Arab officers…so that’s worth something.

    I’m assuming that leaving smoking holes where there had been enemy-occupied no-go zones, and the immediate peace and quiet that follows from the crime wave and rape gangs

    I don’t live in Europe. I’m talking about the US. I have little clue what will happen in Europe.

    Dealing with those subversives will be part and parcel of the war, of course.

    Just like Breivik did. I’m sure when you guys start offing hundreds of Liberal-type Whites and their kids, they’ll also understand you are doing it for their own good. Just like Sunnis did with Daesh…oh wait:
    “ISIS spends most of its time and energy killing Muslims, and its mass graves tell the tale…And the vast majority would also have been moderate Sunni Muslims, belonging to the Sunni Arab tribes of Deir ez-Zor province. So if these victims were Sunni Muslims, just like the ISIS fighters, why did the latter so brutally kill them? Because they refused to bow to ISIS’ nihilistic vision of Salafi-domination. Choosing freedom over tyranny, men and boys from tribes like al-Shaitat were slaughtered with a psychotic mix of means, including beheading and rocket propelled grenades. Women were enslaved and some others slaughtered in brutal ways. Children too.”
    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/isis-spends-most-of-its-time-and-energy-killing-muslims-and-its-mass-graves-tell-the-tale

    • Agree: Truth
  107. “Tend to be?” Ridiculous. I’ve grown up with second-generation Muslims from multiple different communities across the US. I have yet to come across a single one in my interactions with hundreds that likes or supports the actions of groups like AQ or Daesh.

    You really should not try this kind of dissembling with people who know what taqiyya is.  It was just 2 days ago that RT wrote about a study finding that Western-born mohammedans were more likely to adopt extremist and violent ideas, but that has actually been known for quite some time.

    How many Whites like those attending that moment of silence are people like you willing to kill because you purport to love Whites so much?

    Roughly none of them.  They are sheep.  They will switch sides when presented with a viable alternative to their treasonous leadership.  It’s the active opposition which must be dealt with (as gently as possible).  Throwing them in jail for Islamist sympathies is no worse than what’s happening to nationalists and anti-Islamists in the West right now, so we can definitely get away with that.

    The fastest growing demographic in our community are Latinos (you think their relatives are going to be cool with White-nationalist extremists hunting them down…homie?)

    Not surprising that a group known for low average IQ would be attracted to a creed pushed by yet another group known for low average IQ.  All must go back.

    What I mostly see is that plenty of Whites are fed up with the constant push against them by the Liberal-Left (especially the elites and the attitudes of others) as they should be. If the Left would simply back off of certain things….

    They can’t.  It’s a purity spiral and a lot of it is driven by (((special people))).  Once you’ve started calling White folks “abominations” (shkotzim) you really can’t backtrack.

    Why are people like the alleged NZ shooter using the mark of the beast?

    Ask yourself, WHY is the face of the alleged perp blurred out in the pic on the left?  It’s all over the video and in dozens of stills captured from it in memes all over the Internet.  The guy in cuffs is not the guy in the video.  Christchurch was a false flag.  And with luck the wheels will start coming off soon.

    I’m sure when you guys start offing hundreds of Liberal-type Whites and their kids, they’ll also understand you are doing it for their own good.

    No, honesty forbids that.  But the truth will do:  we’ll be doing it to remove them from power over us and make certain that THEY are not getting it back, that their dynastic ambitions are dead as they are, and serve as an example to those who’d take their place.

    • Replies: @Talha

    more likely to adopt extremist and violent ideas,
     
    There is a difference between "more likely" and "tend to be". You can still have them be more likely than another population, but using "tend to be" is implying that a significant amount to majority are that way. Which is preposterous. Now I can easily say something like; Americans tend to be obese which is backed by the numbers being close to 40%. If I say something like Senegalese are more likely to be obese than Nigerians - that's not much to go off of.

    Roughly none of them. They are sheep.
     
    LOL! My, you have a high regard for Whites, don't you?

    Not surprising that a group known for low average IQ would be attracted to a creed pushed by yet another group known for low average IQ.
     
    Meh. You just called a bunch of High-IQ Whites sheep. Wisdom is more useful than intelligence (which are not the same). If your High-IQ society is being led by the nose by people in opposition to their interests, what good does it do you? This certainly doesn't negate the point I made.

    All must go back.
     
    And this here reinforces the point I made. Your circle of enemies, with which you wish to give no options, keeps growing. Some of these Latinos are descended from people that have lived here since before California was even a state. Then you are including in that circle Whites that may have married one of these which is not that uncommon in Texas or California, etc.

    Christchurch was a false flag.
     
    Good, let's roll with this. So you admit that these kinds of violent acts are exactly what the elite want your side to do in order to justify turning the screws. If that is the case, why give them more rope to hang you with?

    and serve as an example to those who’d take their place.
     
    Well, since you are giving them no choice but to be put along a wall and shot, I can hardly be surprised they want you eliminated first. I guess we'll see how this all plays out.
  108. @Mr. Rational

    “Tend to be?” Ridiculous. I’ve grown up with second-generation Muslims from multiple different communities across the US. I have yet to come across a single one in my interactions with hundreds that likes or supports the actions of groups like AQ or Daesh.
     
    You really should not try this kind of dissembling with people who know what taqiyya is.  It was just 2 days ago that RT wrote about a study finding that Western-born mohammedans were more likely to adopt extremist and violent ideas, but that has actually been known for quite some time.

    How many Whites like those attending that moment of silence are people like you willing to kill because you purport to love Whites so much?
     
    Roughly none of them.  They are sheep.  They will switch sides when presented with a viable alternative to their treasonous leadership.  It's the active opposition which must be dealt with (as gently as possible).  Throwing them in jail for Islamist sympathies is no worse than what's happening to nationalists and anti-Islamists in the West right now, so we can definitely get away with that.

    The fastest growing demographic in our community are Latinos (you think their relatives are going to be cool with White-nationalist extremists hunting them down…homie?)
     
    Not surprising that a group known for low average IQ would be attracted to a creed pushed by yet another group known for low average IQ.  All must go back.

    What I mostly see is that plenty of Whites are fed up with the constant push against them by the Liberal-Left (especially the elites and the attitudes of others) as they should be. If the Left would simply back off of certain things....
     
    They can't.  It's a purity spiral and a lot of it is driven by (((special people))).  Once you've started calling White folks "abominations" (shkotzim) you really can't backtrack.

    Why are people like the alleged NZ shooter using the mark of the beast?
     
    Ask yourself, WHY is the face of the alleged perp blurred out in the pic on the left?  It's all over the video and in dozens of stills captured from it in memes all over the Internet.  The guy in cuffs is not the guy in the video.  Christchurch was a false flag.  And with luck the wheels will start coming off soon.

    I’m sure when you guys start offing hundreds of Liberal-type Whites and their kids, they’ll also understand you are doing it for their own good.
     
    No, honesty forbids that.  But the truth will do:  we'll be doing it to remove them from power over us and make certain that THEY are not getting it back, that their dynastic ambitions are dead as they are, and serve as an example to those who'd take their place.

    more likely to adopt extremist and violent ideas,

    There is a difference between “more likely” and “tend to be”. You can still have them be more likely than another population, but using “tend to be” is implying that a significant amount to majority are that way. Which is preposterous. Now I can easily say something like; Americans tend to be obese which is backed by the numbers being close to 40%. If I say something like Senegalese are more likely to be obese than Nigerians – that’s not much to go off of.

    Roughly none of them. They are sheep.

    LOL! My, you have a high regard for Whites, don’t you?

    Not surprising that a group known for low average IQ would be attracted to a creed pushed by yet another group known for low average IQ.

    Meh. You just called a bunch of High-IQ Whites sheep. Wisdom is more useful than intelligence (which are not the same). If your High-IQ society is being led by the nose by people in opposition to their interests, what good does it do you? This certainly doesn’t negate the point I made.

    All must go back.

    And this here reinforces the point I made. Your circle of enemies, with which you wish to give no options, keeps growing. Some of these Latinos are descended from people that have lived here since before California was even a state. Then you are including in that circle Whites that may have married one of these which is not that uncommon in Texas or California, etc.

    Christchurch was a false flag.

    Good, let’s roll with this. So you admit that these kinds of violent acts are exactly what the elite want your side to do in order to justify turning the screws. If that is the case, why give them more rope to hang you with?

    and serve as an example to those who’d take their place.

    Well, since you are giving them no choice but to be put along a wall and shot, I can hardly be surprised they want you eliminated first. I guess we’ll see how this all plays out.

  109. @Audacious Epigone
    Thanks for finding that.

    This is the only thing returned in a text search for "Jew" or "Judaism":

    A jew living in israel is no enemy of mine, so long as they do not seek
    to subvert or harm my people.

    A jew living in israel is no enemy of mine

    Does this intimate that Jews in the Diaspora are his enemy? For me the prime thread in the JQ is the Diaspora Jews. Uber Jew-haters hate’m no matter where they are: Israel, the Diaspora, Heaven or Hell, past, present and future.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    That's not an unreasonable conclusion to draw from it, but it is literally a single sentence in a thing that is over 70 pages long. As Talha initially pointed out, Jews don't seem to loom large in this guy's mind. It seems that he doesn't think about them at all and only added that one sentence because he presumed people would wonder about it.
  110. @iffen
    A jew living in israel is no enemy of mine


    Does this intimate that Jews in the Diaspora are his enemy? For me the prime thread in the JQ is the Diaspora Jews. Uber Jew-haters hate'm no matter where they are: Israel, the Diaspora, Heaven or Hell, past, present and future.

    That’s not an unreasonable conclusion to draw from it, but it is literally a single sentence in a thing that is over 70 pages long. As Talha initially pointed out, Jews don’t seem to loom large in this guy’s mind. It seems that he doesn’t think about them at all and only added that one sentence because he presumed people would wonder about it.

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