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Writing in his October Diary, John Derbyshire wonders where the human instinct to spirituality goes after organized religion has collapsed:

Where does that “human instinct to spirituality” turn when traditional religion no longer nourishes it?

For those people whose neurology inclines them to the left (low scores on ingroup loyalty, respect for authority, and disgust) the commonest opinion, which I share, is that “woke” ideology, especially anti-racism, is what gets the spiritual juices flowing.

Supposing that’s true on the left, what’s the right equivalent? “Since 1992 the share of Americans with no religion has … trebled even among conservatives,” says Ed West mulling over the numbers. (He doesn’t give his source and I can’t find it, but it doesn’t seem improbable.) What hook are we irreligious conservatives going to hang our spiritual hats on?

Ed suggests a slide into intolerant ethnocentrism and demagogue-worship and writes, echoing theocon Ross Douthat: “If you don’t like the Religious Right, you’re really not going to like the Irreligious Right.”

Ed West may have pulled it from the General Social Survey. If he didn’t, the GSS corroborates whatever source he did use:

That “The Great Awokening” is the phrase used to describe this spiritual manifestation on the left is a testament to how obviously religious the belief system is. Given that The Great Awokening is predominantly a spiritual revival among white leftists rather than among people of color, it should come as little surprise that from 2012 through 2018, 41% of white liberals reported having no religion compared to just 24% of non-white liberals who reported the same.

Despite the grossly hyperbolic title of this post, the vast majority of the American right retains some sort of religious affiliation. The spiritual lethargy of conservatives that Ed West describes may end up in a religiously reinvigorated right if 21 year-old Nick Fuentes stunning crusade against Conservative, Inc is any indication:

GSS variables used: POLVIEWS(1-3)(4)(5-7), RACECEN1(1)(2-16), HISPANIC(1), RELIG, YEAR

 
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  1. Dumbo says:

    At some point, you got to ask. What are “conservatives” conserving, anyway? They haven’t been able to “conserve” anything for decades.

  2. It’ll be interesting watching the future of white people as white leftist increasingly have fewer kids and more non-white kids when they do

    Meanwhile biblical literalist and high church attending Christians are having the most children. At least among white protestants. This group will range from 75-90% GOP

  3. I didn’t get it. I thought they were yelling “USA” until I saw the chant of “Q&A” in the upper left of TPUSA. Charlie Kirk must feel he’s in big trouble bringing in a heavy hitter like Trump Jr. It won’t work. Kirk is finished. Go Groypers.

  4. @Oblivionrecurs

    Here’s the problem with that though. They are not just protestants. Most of childbearing age were raised in Evangelical Christian Zionists families. But maybe some will see the light and break away. I still haven’t decided what is worse between their strange Israel-first beliefs (which dominates the republican party) and the loony left.

    I’ll take Nick Fuentes conservative Catholics over them any day of the week – and I’m not a Catholic. I’m also becoming a fan of the anti-Zionist Bible Thumpers at TruNews, and hope their channel grows. They raise many valid points in their panel discussions.

  5. @Oblivionrecurs

    Yup. At the Bible-thumping church I attend, almost every white adult over the age of 30 is married and has kids. There are a few that are single, but they appear to be looking for a man – usually women, maybe they are off fresh the carousel and were smart enough to figure out what went wrong.

    I estimate the TFR to be between 1.8 and 2.5. I go conservative with the numbers because when you live in a 1.3-1.4 area, even a 1.7 seems to be abounding with children, so I might be overestimating.

    So, we have this group with a TFR of around 2. Go downtown, and you see dozens of 30-something whites bumming around at the bars and clubs – childless, unmarried, and lost.

    So it will be interesting to see. Either way, at present, it’s clear that conservative whites are nowhere near large enough of a group to win elections in the new alliance of POC + white liberals. However, the fertility collapse is near suicidal among educated, wealthy liberal whites. Of a group of 10 of these people, there are only two children. The rest just don’t seem interested.

    Over time, whites will become more like me. However, I also believe that the “POCs” and friends will be doing some kind of white holocaust program in the future. It might not matter in the end.

    • Agree: Hail
    • Replies: @dfordoom
    , @Realist
  6. @follyofwar

    Meh. Young evangelicals might be more woke on Israel etc. than you expect… certainly not many outright Zionists.

    I went to my local Catholic church and at least 60% of the congregation was some kind of mystery meat alien… all sorts of different languages being spoken after. Not sure why this is good. Maybe Latin Mass is okay.

  7. @follyofwar

    We atheists can share the Evangelical Christian Zionists’ belief in the rapture: We can see that Christians have already started to disappear.

    Seriously, everyone needs to stomp on this nonsense that Israel’s existence proves some spooky “bible prophecy,” instead of showing the ordinary reality that people can get ideas from books and then use these ideas as guides or inspirations to try to build real things which sort of resemble what they read in the literature. If the bible prophesied the modern state of Israel, then the last century’s science fiction prophesied Elon Musk’s SpaceX.

    If you want to get to the truth about a dubious belief advocated by some Christians, just ask yourself what an atheist would say about it. The answer will point you in the right direction.

  8. @follyofwar

    Kirk also had Rand Paul on in New Hampshire. Paul sped off the stage after, as Kirk was trying to thank him for being there. Maybe Paul was just running away from the Groypers.

    At OSU, Kirk seemed legitimately confused and caught off guard. I think he honestly buys his own BS. Shapiro is now discriminating against white men during his Q&A session, while tonight Kirk & Junior Drumpf just cancelled it altogether. I guess those are Traditional Conservative Values.

    They literally do not have an answer for these questions.

    OSU:

    Short Indio squatter bossing white man around is the GOP future:

  9. Rosie says:
    @follyofwar

    I still haven’t decided what is worse between their strange Israel-first beliefs (which dominates the republican party) and the loony left.

    Their beliefs aren’t really that strange when you consider that they don’t actually think of Israel as a foreign nation. They think of it as their nation. In the absence of replacement theology (supercession of the Old Covenant), it does indeed stand to reason that the Jews and Christians are united in faith.

    • Disagree: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @El Dato
  10. I say let the Bible Bubble be pricked.

    Christianity needs ‘market correction’. Too many fake believers and false faithful claim to be Christian. For Christianity to have meaning again, it must shed all the fakers and flakes.

    Spiritual correction is as necessary as market correction, esp in this age when Christians hang homo symbols in churches.

    Christianity must shed the queertianity freaks, Christian Zionists, jesus-loves-riches morons, mall church clowns, Mormon mammonites, liberation theologians, pederasts, and etc.

    It must return to Jesus and Paul. I’ve never been a believer and still is atheist, but Christianity is a great religion. A total shame to see what it has become.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  11. neutral says:
    @follyofwar

    I still haven’t decided what is worse between their strange Israel-first beliefs (which dominates the republican party) and the loony left.

    The loony left no matter how loony they are still in the end trying to benefit themselves. The jew firsters are worse because they worship a race that is actively destroying them.

  12. dfordoom says: • Website
    @LoutishAngloQuebecker

    Over time, whites will become more like me.

    The evidence of the past few decades suggests you’re wrong. Whites are becoming more liberal. That’s because liberals not only have their own children (maybe one per couple) they will also recruit most of the children that conservative whites are having. Conservative send their conservative kids off to college and a couple of years later those conservative kids are angry blue-haired lesbian SJWs.

    So in all probability whites will continue to get more liberal. And the decline of Christianity will continue.

    However, I also believe that the “POCs” and friends will be doing some kind of white holocaust program in the future.

    Total nonsense. If there’s going to be a genocide it’s far more likely that poor people will be the victims. This is a class war, not a race war.

  13. neutral says:
    @dfordoom

    This is a class war, not a race war.

    America went to 90% white to about 50% now, the same trend is happening in Germany, France, etc. For supposedly no race war occurring there that does seem a bit odd doesn’t it.

    As for the left, it is now all about “white privilege”, worshipping jew billionaires at Silicon valley and celebrating the Great Gatsby lifestyles of the sportsball champions. I don’t see much class warfare there, it is all a celebration of racial dominance. Politics as all about race now, it is total nonsense to believe that it is anything else.

  14. Realist says:
    @neutral

    The loony left no matter how loony they are still in the end trying to benefit themselves. The jew firsters are worse because they worship a race that is actively destroying them.

    As long as Whites allow non-Whites to screw them over…they will.

  15. Realist says:
    @LoutishAngloQuebecker

    So it will be interesting to see. Either way, at present, it’s clear that conservative whites are nowhere near large enough of a group to win elections in the new alliance of POC + white liberals.

    America’s problems will not be resolved through the electoral process.

    • Replies: @neutral
  16. @Dumbo

    At the level of elected officials, they are conserving everything that the “liberals” have managed to enshrine in law. That’s their job, you know.

    • LOL: iffen
  17. @Oblivionrecurs

    ” This group will range from 75-90% GOP”

    That’s a shame, really. The GOP will betray them the way they have always done. If there was an actual opposition party…. never mind.

  18. neutral says:
    @Realist

    America’s problems will not be resolved through the electoral process.

    If you are pro white then you will know that the problem is America itself. The end of US regime will be great blessing to the white world.

    • Agree: Realist
  19. @neutral

    If you are pro white then you will know that the problem is America itself.

    No, America IS the white people.  The problem is the United States, which is not only a different thing, it is built around hate for America.

    • Replies: @neutral
  20. neutral says:
    @Mr. Rational

    I don’t see any practical way how one can remove the USA from America, this is not like Russia and the USSR. America is already 50% non white, and the among the younger demographics it’s even worse. America is no longer white, this is unsalvageable, that brown blob is however still doing extraordinary damage to Europe, the faster it falls apart the better. Wanting the latent power and influence it gained from the past to endure will just ensure more white nations die.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
  21. El Dato says:
    @Rosie

    A deep affront to Jesus, I would think?

    • Agree: Rosie
  22. songbird says:

    I suspect part of this is not purely theological so much as a reflection of people’s loss of identity.

    IMO, part of what the Left’s leapfrogging loyalties mean is that they readily (too readily) shed their old identities. The interesting question that is unasked here is “do you have a culture? And if so, what is it?”

  23. Anonymous[348] • Disclaimer says:
    @neutral

    Yup. The Rapture-Zionists are the self-hating whites of the Right.

  24. Anonymous[348] • Disclaimer says:
    @dfordoom

    Secular does not necessarily imply liberal. That’s the whole point of the post above.

  25. El Dato says:
    @follyofwar

    > a heavy hitter like Trump Jr.

    Oh my Chtulhu!!

    > Go Groypers.

    Is it bad that I actually had to look up what a groyper is? How GenX am I?

  26. Writing in his October Diary, John Derbyshire wonders where the human instinct to spirituality goes after organized religion has collapsed:

    I have no idea what this nonsensical phrase is supposed to mean. In fact, I do not think there is a single word or concept in the entire OP that refers to anything real.

    There is no “human instinct to spirituality.” There is no such thing as spirituality. Spirituality and the so-called instinct thereto are mock-concepts designed as tools of cultural critique by anthropologists who begin by assuming a basically atheist perspective. They organize the world into a series of disposed planes or levels founded upon one another, which they then proceed to dissect.

    Level One: The “Real” World. Only atoms and the void. There is no God. Homo sapiens is a product of the natural order.

    Level Two: The tribal hominid man evolved to have a strong disposition for codes of morality and origin myths, since these were necessary for group survival. Thus the instinct for spirituality.

    Level Three: The differing expressions of that instinct are what we see before us the world’s religions and other governing belief systems.

    This is the paradigm that Derb operates within. But if it is wrong (and it is) then the entire crossword puzzle of interrelated concepts falls apart.

    I know it’s going to shock Unzian readers to hear this, but the purpose of religion is not to provide man with cosmic explanations, origin-stories, or moral codes, nor is the purpose of religion to answer man’s existential questions. The purpose of religion is to render due worship and service to God. It does those other things only in the course of fulfilling its primary function.

    Another completely wacky notion from the post is the idea of the “irreligious right.” This is just a contradiction in terms. The irreligious right (i.e. most of the Alt-Right) are just warmed-over 1920s liberals who are aghast that the system they themselves used to parasitize is now being more successfully parasitized by someone else. Their hated of the Woke is really a form of sibling rivalry.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    , @El Dato
    , @Talha
  27. dfordoom says: • Website
    @neutral

    For supposedly no race war occurring there that does seem a bit odd doesn’t it.

    Mass immigration is part of the class war. It purpose is to weaken, demoralise and impoverish the working classes. And to hopelessly divide potential opposition and to ensure that people are distracted by racial issues so they don’t notice what the privileged classes are actually up to.

    The gender wars and the LGBT wars and the tranny wars all serve the same purpose. Divide and distract.

    Of course mass immigration is disastrous but you can’t win unless you recognise that the motivation behind everything that has happened is the class war being waged by the privileged classes against the rest of us.

    By trying to fight a race war you’re falling into the trap that has been set for you. You’re trying to win an unwinnable war and it’s a war against the wrong enemy. You’re doing exactly what your real enemy wants you to do.

    • Replies: @neutral
  28. @dfordoom

    To a socialist, everything is a class war.

    • LOL: Achmed E. Newman
  29. @dfordoom

    So in all probability whites will continue to get more liberal. And the decline of Christianity will continue.

    In my experience, young white men raised religious or conservative are starting to stay that way.

    I’m sure what you say was true in the past, but family and religion are starting to offer a better path than liberalism, as it becomes more anti white, anti male. The general culture is no longer attractive.

    They were discussing this on Karlin’s thread, about the Amish having fewer defections now.

    This is a class war, not a race war.

    Delusional coping lol. I guess if you have to use that terminology we can say “class war against the bottom 96% of whites” if that makes you feel any better.

  30. Thinking people are hostile to religion because the Judaeo-Christian-Islamist religion’s worldview is, in a word, false. Science has convincingly demonstrated that the core suppositions underpinning religious faith are misunderstandings of the natural world and of the human place in it. We are not orphans on a hostile planet that is ruled by invisible spirits. We were not placed here at the caprice of an all-powerful sky god who can be influenced through magical thoughts and rituals to produce outcomes we desire. And there is no agency that will allow us to continue to live after we die.

    One would expect such revolutionary discoveries as this faith claims to possess might have come from a sophisticated culture, which prized scientific and philosophical inquiry. But in fact it originated with a tribe of nomadic barbarians who lived in goatskin tents on the peripheries of mankind’s first great civilizations, which they denounced as sinful and frightening. Any modern fourth grader knows more about the way things actually work than the wisest of their wise men – and generally has much better ethics.

    Christianity, specifically, has a seventeen hundred year track record of aggressively resisting every advance in human progress. Its policy of denying full human rights to half the members of the human species on account of their gender is beneath contempt. It continues the racist ultranationalism it inherited from Second Temple period Judaism. When this unfortunate cult took over the demoralized remnant of the Roman empire, its priesthood embarked on a two-centuries long orgy of violence, outlawing all other religions, destroying ancient temples, hospitals, theaters, and universities, butchering non-Christian priests, priestesses, professors and doctors, pillaging centuries of secular and sacred artwork, burning great libraries everywhere. Its leaders projected their morbid sexual obsessions onto a people now barely more than slaves to an authoritarian church backed by the absolute power of an autocratic empire. And so it remained until our own United States came along, with the first government in fourteen centuries of western history that refused to establish Christianity as its official state religion.

  31. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Dumbo

    What are “conservatives” conserving, anyway? They haven’t been able to “conserve” anything for decades.

    What on earth makes you think that they want to conserve anything? They want tax cuts for the rich, they want higher corporate profits, they want a demoralised population. If the best way to achieve those aims is to destroy every vestige of social coherence then they’re happy to do so.

    Those conservatives are not incompetent losers. They’re winning. It’s just that the war they’re fighting is not the war that they want you to think they’re fighting. It’s not the war you want them to fight.

    Just because they call themselves conservatives doesn’t make them conservative in any way, shape or form.

    • Replies: @Talha
  32. dfordoom says: • Website

    To a socialist, everything is a class war.

    You may not be interested in the class war but the class war is interested in you.

    I find it difficult to comprehend that anyone could fail to notice that it is class interests that motivate the elites. You don’t have to be a Marxist to notice this, just as you don’t have to be an orthopaedic surgeon to notice that someone has a broken leg.

  33. Anon[308] • Disclaimer says:
    @follyofwar

    As E. Michael Jones and Hilaire Belloc have pointed out, the Protestantism is a Jewish revolutionary movement tied to banking and subversion of the Church*. It is no coincidence that Protestantism is fundamentally philo-Semitic given its origins (which, btw, was 15 centuries after Christ founded his Church in Rome— Ss. Peter and Paul went to Rome and not, n.b., to Constantinople).

    * The Inquisition was the Church fighting back, self-defense, against the attacks and subversion of the Church from within (Marranos) and without (using Muslims and Arabs to repopulate towns/cities/regions).

  34. neutral says:
    @dfordoom

    You’re doing exactly what your real enemy wants you to do.

    The real enemy is the jew. They are the ultimate privileged class, but it is wrong to say this is about them waging a class war when it really is all about a race trying to dominate other races.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    , @Audacious Epigone
  35. I haven’t attended a congregation in many many years. It ‘s the result of what had been a long standing difference of opinion on some fundamentals regarding faith and the state, that ruptured after 9/11 when the country opted to needless invade Afghanistan and then Iraq.

    That either of these were God ordained approved . . , what have you simply boggled my brain. As on their vert face, they didn’t meet a case for the mundane standard. But those ruptures were the long standing misunderstood principle of christian conservative, conservative ethos in our US which poses a very unique model that differs from most other countries. By embracing an ethos of conservativism that embraced the state minus a serious press for accountability, many christians find themselves defending the state even the state is wrong. It is derived from the nexus of conservative respect for institutions (authority) and a biblical reference regarding “obeying authority”.

    In our system authority for the state is derived from the population. That means permission is given the state to act on the people’s behalf. The state is never an entity to its own sake and therefore its own authority. No. That’s is why for conservatives the state is a dubious actor, not to be trusted. The radical revolution is premised on challenging state authority and limiting its power and more importantly assessing that power on behalf of the population — and therefore distrustful of centered power while recognizing it’s force to act on behalf of a democratic state. When the state violates that at any level, the consequent should be meaningful to remind that state power is not for the state but for the population. That is the philosophical revolution that our country is based on. Not merely some vague notion of democracy, but seeing instituions as the the tools of democracy at every level.

    To defend the institutions violations — is a doomed enterprise. Unfortunately using scripture as legal tool to force instead of a response to the divine, people of faith saw law and order or mechanisms of order as end to themselves and therefore right of wrong to be obeyed. Hence the oft quoted passage about “obeying authorities” and their having the sword to mete out justice turns the expected ought or expected, should into a they do. But if one looks at reality, the government gets meting out justice wrong alot — thereby making scripture false because according the interpretation most cited — governments use force for justice — and their behavior is in line with God. Even when they are wrong? That makes no sense. Clearly that passage on worldy authority is that governments are given power to act justly as something they ought, should or are expected to do.

    And in such a vein in our system we should them to account when they don’t. Instead we lean to a model with the appearance of biblical understanding, but is so only on the surface.

    More of the implications and consequences a tad later . . .

    But it was Christ and the apostles who made it clear that in this world, “people of faith,” the followers of Christ would eventually be targets of the state, the majority. And those christians who embraced state power for state powers sake, can count themselves among the many who gave the tools for government to use against them. Tools honed practiced and honed against the most vulnerable.

    And when matters of practicing faith become outlawed — and we decry the injustice — the state will say,

    “But it was you who established “obedience to authority” as directed by God — obey now.”

    • Agree: Lockean Proviso
  36. Rosie says:
    @neutral

    The real enemy is the jew. They are the ultimate privileged class, but it is wrong to say this is about them waging a class war when it really is all about a race trying to dominate other races.

    The Jew thinks he is entitled to parasitize other peoples. He reserves a special hatred for the White man precisely because the latter is both particularly rich and particularly apt to resist him. The natural focus of White loyalty is the state, which in turn is built on the nuclear family. There are no intermediary kinship groups, so the Jew is a conspicuous clique with a dual morality that serves them quite well.

    Insofar as the class and tribal issues, ahem, “intersect” in this way, Doom is not entirely wrong, but he is practically wrong. Old-fashioned class warriors are unfashionable, but they are tolerated, precisely because they ignore the crux of the issue. It would be very strange indeed if the system persecuted those who are “doing exactly what the real enemy wants us to do.” To the contrary, one would expect the system to target precisely those dissidents who are doing what the enemy most emphatically does NOT want us to do.

  37. @Observator

    So what’s your religion of choice, then?

  38. Rosie says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    There is no “human instinct to spirituality.” There is no such thing as spirituality. Spirituality and the so-called instinct thereto are mock-concepts designed as tools of cultural critique by anthropologists who begin by assuming a basically atheist perspective. They organize the world into a series of disposed planes or levels founded upon one another, which they then proceed to dissect.

    I don’t know about all that. It is not necessarily atheist to acknowledge the existence of an instinct to spirituality. That is one thing I think many theists and atheists can agree on. The crucial question is the source and origin of that “instinct.” Is it evolved or God-given?

    To my thinking, the God- shaped hole is evidence, though not all-sufficient proof, that a Being exists to fill it.

    “What else does this craving, and this helplessness, proclaim but that there was once in man a true happiness, of which all that now remains is the empty print and trace? This he tries in vain to fill with everything around him, seeking in things that are not there the help he cannot find in those that are, though none can help, since this infinite abyss can be filled only with an infinite and immutable object; in other words by God himself.”
    – Blaise Pascal, Pensées VII(425)

  39. @Tlotsi

    Are you stupid enough to think that’s an insult?

  40. Steve2 [AKA "StillSteve2Still"] says:
    @Twodees Partain

    Let’s own Ok Boomer at the largest possible scale.

    Just stick it back in their face, loud proud and in public. Just for fun.

    I propose pillows with Ok Boomer printed on them. Chanting Ok Boomer in public places. Use Ok Boomer as a greeting like some folks use other words. Use your most obnoxious humor instinct. Just remember there’s a limit, too much repetition generates immunity in the whippersnapper sh•ts.

    Say Ok Boomer in circumstances where turdball youth needs to pretend they are Woke. Who are they trying to kid. Intolerance is their core value.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  41. @neutral

    I don’t see any practical way how one can remove the USA from America, this is not like Russia and the USSR.

    You don’t?  What happened to the Supreme Soviet?  Same thing will happen to the USA.

    America is already 50% non white, and the among the younger demographics it’s even worse.

    No, that’s the United States.  A lot of that brown horde lives on welfare of some kind.  When the USA blows up, there will be no more housing assistance or food aid.  Some will have the means to escape and go back home.  Most won’t.

    America is no longer white, this is unsalvageable

    The brown horde is not part of America.  It lives in the territory of the United States, and that’s it.  America did not vote for it to come here, and America will not vote it off the territory either.  But go away it will.

    • Replies: @LoutishAngloQuebecker
  42. @Observator

    You were doing so well in your first two paragraphs, then you degenerated into something that sounds lifted straight out a Whiteness studies text.  Which it probably was.

    Whatever.  I am amused.

    • Replies: @Alden
  43. @Mr. Rational

    I can’t say for certain they will go away…

    But I can say that either they will go away… or we will go away.

    The truth is that old stock Canadians and Americans (3 or more generations) are not Europeans… we became our own people. Europe would not have us back, anyways. Even if they would, I don’t want to go. This is my home and I would rather die here than run away.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  44. “Christianity, specifically, has a seventeen hundred year track record of aggressively resisting every advance in human progress. Its policy of denying full human rights to half the members of the human species on account of their gender is beneath contempt/”

    This is of course a complete misread of what Christianity does or did.

    1. The gender roles cuts across faith and practice — and has no unique attribution to christianity

    2. The role assignments are so rooted in the practical nature of male female relations, that nearly every society across the planet practiced adhered to them

    3. In reading the NT there is nothing, nothing resembling the advanced that is reflective of your comments — you might actually want to read the NT before spouting off ideas that are not supported by the same.

    4. The unique spiritual nature of scripture is not tit for tat translated into secular understanding.

    5. Clearly, anyone familiar with scripture new and old finds that women not only play a prominent role positively across the board on behalf of people male or female of faith, they play that role as leaders and even successful independent business owners.

    6. Christianity has led to the empowerment of women with the feminists deconstructive that is ravishing western society.

    7. The New testament honors women in marriage and out.

    Your comments make it clear that you have mistaken what you see in the mundane and the secular for the christian ethos and practice —

    And you are in every wrong. caution, becareful that you don’t apply what some have done in abusing scripture for what is actual christian faith and practice.

    Next you’ll be telling me that” christianity” is responsible for slavery because a christian nation)s) endorsed it. Or that christians are responsible for capital punishment because some christians endorse that as well.

    I encourage you to actually read what it is scriptures are to believe and practice. Or soon you;ll be making claims that christians should be barred from participating politics because their belief is a violation of church and sate. Nonsense.

    • Replies: @neutral
  45. El Dato says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    in-stories, or moral codes, nor is the purpose of religion to answer man’s existential questions. The purpose of religion is to render due worship and service to God.

    The best way to do this is advance in science though, not in pumping meaningless hosannas into the nonresponding and curiously expanding and rapidly cooling aether. (WTF _is_ that thing?)

    Are you studying hard?

  46. John Derbyshire wonders where the human instinct to spirituality goes after organized religion has collapsed….

    To Hell, in a basket.

  47. Tiny Duck says:

    This is indicative of how most people think

  48. neutral says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    Look at where Christianity is now, the Pope is basically a SJW preaching mass immigration from Africa and global warming as the most important thing. The other churches are not any better. Its all about racial equality, gay rights, anti whiteness, there is no way one can support this, whatever happened in the past is another debate.

  49. @Observator

    Reality is far more complicated than your incoherent effort e.g. Newton dabbled in eschatology and believed the world would end in 2060.

    In the present, it is leftism and especially its diversity zealots who are becoming a danger to progress.

    Are Women Destroying Academia? Probably, by Lance Welton
    https://www.unz.com/article/are-women-destroying-academia-probably/

    Why is my curriculum white?

  50. anonymous[345] • Disclaimer says:

    Anti-Whites say ‘diversity’, what they mean is Rhodesia or South Africa: minority Whites expelled if they’re lucky, tortured to death if they’re not.

    Diversity’ ‘multiculturalism’ is entirely one way: Non-White into White.

    Whites are by far a global minority, yet are the ONLY people allowed no nations, right to self preservation, and homelands for their children.

    No Borders is the White ‘Privilege’, they demand.

    Anti racist’ is code for Anti White.
    Diversity’ is code for White Genocide.

    • Agree: Rosie
    • Replies: @Corvinus
  51. “Look at where Christianity is now, the Pope is basically a SJW preaching mass immigration from Africa and global warming as the most important thing. The other churches are not any better. Its all about racial equality, gay rights, anti whiteness, there is no way one can support this, whatever happened in the past is another debate.”

    The pope is not christianity. he is one man considered the head “bishop” (for lack of a better word) on one particular congregation of people, not ll of whom agree that mass immigration is by definition the mission of the church.

    And while various congregations emphasis different areas of focus for their missions. That humans stand equal before God in not a unique congregational ethos – it is the condition established God and regardless of our color gymnastics — that is god’s standard —

    I don’t of any congregations that are anti-white. There are some that make the case that whites in the US have certainly been by far and away the ultimate card players regarding color and that should change — that’s not exactly anti-white. And there are fewer of those than churches that equate christianity to whiteness.

    The issue on immigration is catered to care of the poor and it simply has no veracity in the US, as nothing about our immigration policy denies people of faith from acting on that faith across borders. In otherwords our immigration policies do violate any mandate of scripture and no one of faith and practice in christianity has a leg to stand on in violating the same.

    And those that do so can hardly be taken seriously when they promote “law and order” demands on citizens of their own country as they blithely undermine the same in practice — hypocrisy is a very tough haul to justify if one is a christian.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  52. @Observator

    And so it remained until our own United States came along, with the first government in fourteen centuries of western history that refused to establish Christianity as its official state religion.

    This is a misinterpretation. The First Amendment’s prohibition on an establishment of religion was originally applicable only to the Federal government. One of the reasons for this was that the several states already had their own laws respecting religious establishment. Some disestablished their state churches relatively shortly after independence, e.g., Virginia. However, Connecticut had a state church until 1818, and Massachusetts until 1833.

    We must remember that the Framers intended the powers of the Federal government to be limited and enumerated, whereas those of the states were plenary. The First Amendment was not intended to abolish religious establishment, but rather to leave it up to the states.The doctrine of incorporation, whereby the provisions of the Bill of Rights are considered to be applicable to the trades by virtue of the Fourteenth Amendment, is a twentieth-century innovation.

  53. Sean says:

    Autism is a disease of high intelligence and autism causes atheism. Associative mating in institutions of higher learning and workplaces since the sixties has created a highly intelligent elite identical with Charles Murray’s self-selective sorting New Upper Class, so of course they are Asperger’s -ish. Political conservatives are less intelligent.

    “Young adults who subjectively identify themselves as “very liberal” have an average IQ of 106 during adolescence while those who identify themselves as “very conservative” have an average IQ of 95 during adolescence.”

    –From ScienceDaily.com, adapted from the American Sociological Association’s press release and

    Kanazawa et al. Why Liberals and Atheists Are More Intelligent. Social Psychology Quarterly, 2010; DOI:10.1177/0190272510361602

    As Christopher Badcock writes in Psychology Today

    The implication is that rising mechanistic intelligence is all very well but goes with declining mentalistic intelligence which—as is so clearly evidenced in autism—carries serious social costs. Conservatives, in other words, may score lower on adaptation to a modern technological style of intelligence, but may score higher on traditional social intelligence whose loss we may well live to regret.

  54. Rosie says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    I don’t of any congregations that are anti-white. There are some that make the case that whites in the US have certainly been by far and away the ultimate card players regarding color and that should change — that’s not exactly anti-white.

    The cause of Civil Rights for Black Americans was not anti-White, but once the existence of the White majority became a problem in and of itself, to be cured by immigration and resulting “diversity,” anti-racism became anti-White.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  55. @advancedatheist

    If you want to get to the truth about a dubious belief advocated by some Christians, just ask yourself what an atheist would say about it. The answer will point you in the right direction.

    Yep, if you are looking for a quick trip to eternal damnation, follow an atheist.

  56. @neutral

    the Pope is basically a SJW preaching mass immigration from Africa and global warming as the most important thing.

    The current Pope is not a Christian. JP II and Benedict XVI are Christians.

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
  57. “Its all about racial equality, gay rights . . . ”

    I don’t have answers about why any scripturally oriented faith would embrace/support that same sex relations as something approved by God . . .

    ——————————————————-

    “The cause of Civil Rights for Black Americans was not anti-White, but once the existence of the White majority became a problem in and of itself, to be cured by immigration and resulting “diversity,” anti-racism became anti-White.”

    Only if you think that denying what every citizen is entitled to with regards to the Constitution is justly applicable to whites. I am unclear what you mean by white majority here as whites have always been the dominant skin to be pf most citizens.

  58. Nick Fuentes is unironically based. MFW it takes a Latino to fight the poz because Anglos are so cucked.

    • Replies: @Talha
  59. You wish you had this kind of balls.

    • Replies: @Lot
  60. correction: I am unclear what you mean by white majority here as whites have always been the dominant skin to be of most citizens since the nation’s founding.

  61. MBlanc46 says:
    @Dumbo

    Not even, as Vox Day puts it, the ladies room.

  62. Lot says:
    @LoutishAngloQuebecker

    Being rude at a Republican Congressman’s townhall and heckling Don Jr… SO BRAVE.

    We need more dudes to give up on employment or college and instead do podcasts from their parents’ basement like Brave Nick.

    His fans call themselves Nickers. Hahaha.

  63. Talha says:
    @dfordoom

    Something of interest…a bit old, but along the lines of your comment:

    “At first glance, Weidel’s involvement with AfD is hard to explain. Weidel’s entire career and lifestyle is in direct contradiction to her right-wing populist party’s doctrines. How can a lesbian woman raising two children together with her partner even bear the existence of a party that disparages gays and lesbians as an “outspoken minority”? And how can an economist who has a residence in Switzerland, who has lived in China for years and has worked for globally networked companies beat the drum for a party that wants to preserve Germany’s national “identity” and seal its borders?”

    https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/the-new-face-of-afd-how-right-wing-is-alice-weidel-a-1146038.html

    How does a Goldman Sachs-approved, openly-lesbian, female end up running on a purported “conservative” ticket?

    Peace.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  64. Talha says:
    @LoutishAngloQuebecker

    Latino

    Afro-Latino…

    Just sayin’ – glad he is calling this stuff out.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @LoutishAngloQuebecker
  65. Talha says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    The purpose of religion is to render due worship and service to God.

    Well, we would say that the entire purpose of man is to know and worship the Creator – and that religion is simply the framework to accomplish that primary objective.

    But I think – in essence – we are saying the same thing at the fundamental core and the difference is simply semantic.

    All else is details.

    Peace.

  66. @Charles Erwin Wilson 3

    The current Pope is not a Christian. JP II and Benedict XVI are Christians.

    Not quite. Garrulous Karolus the Koran Kisser and Joseph “condoms for Africa” Ratzinger were not any more Catholic than Curious Jorge, they were just more sly about it. The last time a Catholic was actually pope was Pius XII, and just to be safe I wouldn’t trust anything after Pope St. Pius X.

    • Replies: @Old Palo Altan
  67. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Talha

    How does a Goldman Sachs-approved, openly-lesbian, female end up running on a purported “conservative” ticket?

    What are her views on Israel? Maybe I’m just a cynic but the one thing that seems to unite the European “far right” is their slavish devotion to Israel. It seems to cut across all European countries. They stand for Israeli nationalism. European nationalisms, not so much. Think Tommy Robinson, Katie Hopkins, etc. Coincidentally Tommy Robinson is very pro-LGBT.

    The European “far right” for the most part are not conservatives in any meaningful sense nor are they nationalists. They’re also not anti-immigration. They just hate Muslims. The fact that they’re pro-Israel is just one of those amazing coincidences.

  68. @Talha

    By the way, I forgot to reply to your previous comment about white muslims.

    [MORE]

    I listened to the podcast and appreciated what they had to say.

    With respect to the “you can have your own cultural celebration” – the problem is that, for most, all of our cultural celebrations are based around Christianity. Christmas, Easter, Thanksgiving are the main ones, I’d say. Being European and Christian is woven into my heritage together.

    Also, it feels to me that they’re trying too hard to attract white guys. Reminds me of white liberals/conservatives talking proudly about the token black in their movement. “Look at this based white Muslim and based latino Muslim…”

    Anyways I hope your brand of Islam wins out, for the sake of society.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Talha
  69. i will get this right: laugh

    correction: I am unclear what you mean by white majority (citizens) here as whites have always been the dominant population since the nation’s founding

    —————————————
    “Yep, if you are looking for a quick trip to eternal damnation, follow an atheist.”

    Laughing.

    • Replies: @anon
  70. @Steve2

    So, troll the memetards by becoming a memetard…..No, thanks. These kids can FOAD, for all I care. Fuck’em and feed ’em fish heads.

    • Replies: @Steve2
  71. The spiritual lethargy of conservatives that Ed West describes may end up in a religiously reinvigorated right if 21 year-old Nick Fuentes stunning crusade against Conservative, Inc is any indication:

    Nick Fuentes is a little bastard puppy FOP of the worst sort who presumes to riotously display his patriotic youthful exuberance and joy by doing his HAPPY WARRIOR crud.

    Who the HELL does this Fuentes bastard think he is?

    Fuentes must pop this guy called Pope Tango and offer a hand of friendship to old stocker Anglo-Celtic and Anglo-Norman and Anglo-Saxon Americans. The old stockers must respectfully acknowledge the great work of the Fuentes Forces by admitting that there are plenty of so-called old stocker Protestant “leaders” who treasonously push mass legal immigration and mass illegal immigration and all manner of distractionary decadent nonsense.

    There must be a “Both Sides The Tweed” Truce between the Catholic Patriots and the Protestant Patriots so both groups can focus on dislodging the EVIL JEW/WASP ruling class of the American Empire from power.

    Fuentes must be given a lot of slack for his brash statements about this or that because he isn’t even 25 years old!

    I’m proud of Fuentes and his irregular militia of patriotic young Americans who love political debate and FREE SPEECH!

    Fuentes is also good fun, and that’s important for young people!

    Fuentes should read all of Pat Buchanan and Sam Huntington and David Hackett Fischer and Peter Brimelow and Sam Francis.

    THE GROYPERS ARE ON THE MARCH!

    Capercaillie — Both Sides the Tweed

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  72. Keep Up The Good Work, Young Mr. Fuentes!

    Fuentes And His Groyper Pals Want More FREE SPEECH And More Debate!

    Conservatism, Inc. Must Be Destroyed!

    AMERICA FIRST!

    IMMIGRATION MORATORIUM NOW!

    DEPORT ALL ILLEGAL ALIEN INVADERS NOW!

    God Bless The United States Of America!

  73. anon[316] • Disclaimer says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    I am unclear what you mean by white majority (citizens) here as whites have always been the dominant population since the nation’s founding

    Past performance is no guarantee of future results.

  74. laughing.

    Young Mr. Fuentes

    I think I will wait and see here. Minus any real biographical data or long term record on positions that have more depth than platitudes —–

    I will remain unimpressed.

  75. @neutral

    If it’s a gradual, peaceful, negotiated creation of new States within the USA, or if need be the agreed secession of a dozen city-states from the USA entirely, perhaps.

    If it’s sudden or violent, not so sure whom it will benefit if anyone.

  76. “If you are pro white then you will know that the problem is America itself. The end of US regime will be great blessing to the white world.”

    Against a backdrop in which many complain about a global diminuition of whiteness, it’s a very peculiar argument to contend that an end to the US will be a boon for whites the world over. Not that skin color has some unique trait that itself has value. But it’s hard to imagine one applauding whites getting shrifted and making that a benefit.

  77. Tlotsi says:
    @Twodees Partain

    Are you stupid enough to think that’s it not?

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  78. Talha says:
    @LoutishAngloQuebecker

    it feels to me that they’re trying too hard to attract white guys.

    They’re actually not. I’ve been in the scene since the 90’s when barely anyone in the Muslim community was talking about race – we didn’t really care. White/Black/Brown brothers came in and they were given a place in our community, like family. Those were great times; I remember them fondly. In fact, things were going pretty well up until around 2010 and then a shift started happening and these external influences and discourses of Critical Race Theory and identitarianism and woke/cancel culture started creeping into our community. It was not our native language, not our terms, but something we were forced to deal with.

    The reason Dr. Shadee is talking about this is because of the nonsense we are seeing in our community with woke Muslims displaying open hostility towards white converts or white Muslims in general; saying things like:
    “I refuse to accept white muslims as a concept”
    Or – when disagreeing with a sister; “Stfu white woman”

    Completely unacceptable – thus we are dealing with the issue and talking about it.

    As far as I’m concerned, a white brother comes into our community with the same rights and obligations as anyone else does; his concerns become ours and our concerns become his. That is why you see attention being given to this subject at this moment in time, it is a reaction to the hostile environment – not our normal discourse.

    Our traditional scholars rarely talk about skin color or race and do not encourage it among the people:

    I know a white brother who converted (was into heavy metal and punk rock), went to fight alongside other non-white Muslims on behalf of white Muslims in Bosnia during the war, then he came back and – unfortunately – got caught up with the wrong crowd in another group from Pakistan and got sent to Federal jail. There he was immediately accepted as a brother in crowd of mostly black Muslims (see below the MORE tag).

    Anyways I hope your brand of Islam wins out, for the sake of society.

    I wouldn’t really call it a brand; it’s just regular old traditional Islam as passed down from teacher through teacher since the earliest generations. Everyone else is interested in labels, we really aren’t.

    Peace.

    [MORE]

  79. Talha says:
    @LoutishAngloQuebecker

    Also, I would disagree about Thanksgiving being a “Christian” celebration. It is a uniquely American tradition for a few reasons:
    1) Christians in Australia or Netherlands do not celebrate it
    2) It has to do with a historical event that pertains to the legacy of this land

    As such, it is more like the 4th of July.

    Our family gets together for Thanksgiving every year and we would not do so if it was a religious celebration like Christmas or Easter as we are forbidden to celebrate the holidays of other religions.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @RSDB
    , @Bill P
  80. Corvinus says:
    @neutral

    “If you are pro white then you will know that the problem is America itself. The end of US regime will be great blessing to the white world.”

    Thankfully, few white men and women are on board with your peculiar notions. The problem is not America itself, but how it is being managed and run. No, it’s not the Jews fault, or blue-haired SJW’s, or Alt Right strongmen. WE are to blame.

    Pray tell, how did you get the liberty to exclusively define what is and what is not “pro-white”? Perhaps it was a prize inside Cracker Jack, or purchased from two proofs of purchase of White Flakes (it really is a cereal).

  81. Corvinus says:
    @anonymous

    “Whites are by far a global minority, yet are the ONLY people allowed no nations, right to self preservation, and homelands for their children.”

    Ever been to Iowa? Wyoming? GREAT places for whites. So, of course, white people do have their own nation, the right to self-preservation, and homelands for their children, as it is evidence in North America and Europe.

    Oh, perhaps you are saying EXCLUSIVE white people nations. Well, that may be challenging, considering that white people think and act for themselves when it comes to race and culture. Perhaps find a Daddy Warbucks type who can buy an island–or a city in Florida–and you can create your own Anglo paradise.

  82. Steve2 [AKA "StillSteve2Still"] says:
    @Twodees Partain

    Maybe you’re right. I like memetard though.

    Feed them bugburgers, not fish heads. It’s more appropriate.

    Memetard Boomer

  83. Why doesn’t Donny Trump Junior and his lady pal and that filthy little whore Charlie Kirk agree with the audience that Q And A is one of Sydney Lumet’s most fun films?

    Why would Donny Trump Junior and the shrill gargoyle gal and Charlie Kirk not agree with the audience on Lumet’s good popcorn muncher movie Q And A?

    Nick Nolte as New York City cop Mike Brennan wearing 3 inch lifts and dark hair is great fun!

    Enough of my lame attempts at comedy.

    Donny Trump Junior and Conservatism Inc. and the billionaire donors who fund and control the Republican Party are treasonous and unpatriotic.

    Donny Trump Junior and Donny Trump and the plutocrats and the Cheap Labor Faction and the billionaires who own and control the Republican Party are a clear and present threat to the safety, security and sovereignty of the USA.

    Donny Trump and his boy called Donny Trump Junior do not have any colonial American ancestry; nor do they have any ancestors who fought in the American Colonial Secessionary War From The British Empire.

    Donny Trump and Donny Trump Junior push mass legal immigration and mass illegal immigration and amnesty for illegal alien invaders.

    I hereby challenge President Donny Trump and Donny Trump Junior and Marco Rubio and Lindsey Graham and Teddy Cruz to a debate on mass legal immigration and mass illegal immigration and demography and American national identity and multiculturalism and foreign policy and trade policy and the corporate media and globalization and financialization and anti-White animosity and anti-Christian animosity from the hostile elements in the JEW/WASP ruling class of the American Empire.

    The Republican Party and Conservatism Inc. Must Be Destroyed!

    This is important and I’m proud of the people in that room who want more FREE SPEECH and more debate.

  84. President Donny Trump says he wants to flood the United States with MASS LEGAL IMMIGRATION “in the largest numbers ever.”

    President Trump refuses to deport the upwards of 30 million illegal alien invaders in the USA.

    President Trump wants to pour tens of millions of foreigners into the USA on visa scam programs.

    President Trump has stabbed his supporters in the back.

    The Republican Party and Conservatism Inc. must be destroyed.

    God Bless The USA!

    To Hell With The Treasonous Globalizer Money-Grubber Plutocrats In The Republican Party.

  85. @Tlotsi

    How is it an insult, even when it’s intended as one? These kids who use that flippant little response you posted (maybe as a joke) are trying to dismiss anything a person of our generation says.

    You’ve probably read this:
    https://www.takimag.com/article/the-myth-of-boomer-privilege/

    If you haven’t, you might do so. Younger people who blame Boomers for everything that’s wrong are full of shit. The blame belongs to those who were in charge. Anyway, the ” _ Generation” meme is phony. Generations are biological history of families, not mass demographics.

    There are 7 siblings in the generation I was born into in my family. 2 were born between 1944 and 1948, 3 were born between 1952 and 1965. The other 2 were born between 1966 and 1969. All seven belong to a single generation in my family, no matter what MSM meme is supposed to apply in regard to their generation.

    Maybe you’re saying that you meant it as an insult. If so, that’s an indication of what you’re about.

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
  86. RSDB says:
    @Talha

    Thanksgiving is undoubtedly a Christian celebration in origin, but given that its observation is regulated by the federal government, I would call it a secular holiday at present.

    LAQ is presumably Canadian, so he is probably talking about something different– their Thanksgiving is, though also a national holiday, explicitly religiously framed– though, since the framing was designed to accommodate multiple Christian sects, it would probably accommodate Muslims as well.

    Christians in Australia or Netherlands do not celebrate it

    Well, no, but there aren’t any St. Patrick’s Day parades in Delft or Haarlem so far as I know either.

    • Replies: @Talha
  87. @Intelligent Dasein

    I am in general but not specific agreement:

    1) JP II and Ratzinger were (are) Catholics, just not entirely orthodox, and R is a lot better than was W. Still, R will go down in history as the worst pope (which he still is by the way) ever, for having tried to bifurcate the papacy. He and his more radical German theologian friends had been theorising about this for decades, and R took it up in earnest once being Pope frightened him too much (he was famous for running away from every problem that ever came his way).

    2) John XXIII was perfectly orthodox, and culturally an ultra-reactionary. He made the papal court grander than it had been under the austere and decidedly odd Pius XII, who was en plus quite open to radical liturgical change, which John stopped dead in its tracks. As the sainted Archbishop Lefebvre said repeatedly, and more than once in my presence, the trouble with Roncalli was not that he was a liberal, but that he was naive.

    3) As for St Pius X: here we are in complete agreement, although even he was too heavily influenced by the untraditional pope-worship brought into the Catholic mainstream by Vatican I. The really utterly trustworthy popes (to go back to the most recent of them) were Leo XII and Gregory XVI: after the defeat of Napoleon and thus the Revolution, they simply went back to the way things had always been, without troubling themselves with vain justifications. It was left to the liberal (which he remained: after 1848 he became a reactionary, but he was never a traditionalist) Pius IX to talk up and then impose that never necessary and now fatal rampart, Papal Infallibility, a doctrine which, if ever there was one, has come back to bite the hand which fed and fattened it into rude health.

  88. Talha says:
    @RSDB

    Thanksgiving is undoubtedly a Christian celebration in origin

    Sure, because the people who first did it were Christians.

    In essence, it follows a human pattern of celebrating harvests or harvest festivals in general across many cultures. In many of the Persianate lands, they celebrate Nowruz.

    St. Patrick’s Day would definitely fall under a specifically religious celebration. A good analogy would be the Urs of someone like Shaykh Abdul Qadir Jilani (ra) in Iraq.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @RSDB
  89. Nick Fuentes re-Tweeted this lady named Emerald Robinson.

    This lady, Emerald Robinson, has a strong take on the Republican Party CHEAP LABOR FACTION fanatics and the Republican Party donors who want to keep the mass legal immigration flooding into the USA.

    Trump and the Republican Party are pushing the H-1B visa scam and the foreigner cheap labor visa scam and foreigner student visa scam and all other manner of dragging more foreigners into the USA.

    Trump and the Republican Party want to undercut and undermine American workers by flooding more foreigners into the USA.

    Trump and the Republican Party want to replace and displace American workers.

  90. “Past performance is no guarantee of future results.”

    The response is a nonsequitor. The conditions exist not and have since the prior to the nation’s founding. Trying drag what might happen in the future as though it has some bearing conditions past and present makes no sense.

    When and if whites cease being the dominant population, then a case might be advanced as stated — maybe. But running futures as if they exist now — simply has no validity.

    The fact that I might walk across the street tomorrow does mean that I walked across the street today.

    And narrow the presentation: the contentions by blacks concerning civil rights had nothing to do with

    any unique issue to women
    certainly not akin to homosexuality
    an attack on school prayer
    the right to murder children in the womb
    “free love”
    “no fault divorce”

    and a host of other issues resulting from the hijacking of what an issue regarding constitutional guarantees athwarted with the aide of state, municipal and federal authorities

  91. . . . . and civil rights then until very recently had nothing to do with importing anyone from anywhere. I have no real grasp why blacks today are in support immigration as historically, it has been one of the foremost tools to undermine than in every way.

    I guess as democrats they are knee jerking whatever the power structure of liberals say because they are afraid with good reason not to is to be completely cut out, so they don’t openly revolt against a host of bizarre expectations: same sex marriage, immigration, trans gender whatevers, etc. Look what happened when their selected executive in the WH said, he supported traditional marriages —- white liberals rent their garments and gnashed their teeth. They didn’t elect him to lead, they elected him as a hood ornament — but they had every intention of sitting in the driver’s seat and they did, save on two issues.

  92. @neutral

    Israeli Jews aren’t trying to destroy American evangelicals. They’re happy to leverage their support, but they don’t really care about American evangelicals one way or the other. American Jews don’t like American evangelicals, but a lot of them don’t like Israel, either.

  93. @neutral

    Extraordinarily high rates of ‘interracial’ marriage into a much larger non-Jewish population is an odd way to dominate other races.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    , @MikeatMikedotMike
  94. Rosie says:
    @Audacious Epigone

    Extraordinarily high rates of ‘interracial’ marriage into a much larger non-Jewish population is an odd way to dominate other races.

    Jewish rates of intermarriage are actually extraordinarily low. When you are only 3% (or whatever) of the population, even a 50% endogamy rate indicates a very high level of ingroup preference.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  95. i took a peek at this article:

    https://www.counter-currents.com/2019/11/groypers-rising/

    i despie the term conservative inc. as it doesn’t really indicate any distinction between conservative ethos rooted in discourse from those who use conservative as a window dressing. It doesn’t have the value that the term

    “RINO”

    which is very descriptive ot a type of republican. On its face, it’s the kind vague sloppy rhetoric used by post modernists, deconstructionists and the like by blurring the lines until the term conservative itself becomes useless. And in an age in which our alphabet has become goulash, that’s isn’t helpful.

    And there are two concerns that are readily apparent

    1. like libertarians they don’t have much use for the constitution

    2. they don’t have an appreciation for some basic truths, ie. (broken record here) family and by family I mean a healthy appreciation for men and women as husbands and wives raising children.

    I am still mulling the read and while I think they answered poignant questions, their response was in effect to shout down the speakers — by chanting. While not as violent and certainly their right, for the less patient, it comes across as just obnoxiousness, no less obnoxious than a speaker attacking their person — that was strange. But primarily it’s their internals that raise my eyebrows and cause me to squint.

    Laugh, I will have yo think about how seriously, I want to consider a group that has their mascot a green frog named “peppe”

    beware of greeks bearing gifts.

  96. @Twodees Partain

    The boomer stuff can be funny, but practically speaking it’s meaningless. Hart Cellar wasn’t written, proposed, or passed by boomers.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  97. RSDB says:
    @Talha

    St. Patrick’s Day would definitely fall under a specifically religious celebration. A good analogy would be the Urs of someone like Shaykh Abdul Qadir Jilani (ra) in Iraq.

    Yes, that was my point, that, in the abstract, a celebration being local or particular doesn’t make it secular. It wasn’t a specific point about Thanksgiving.

    I know next to nothing about Canada, but I think, as I said before, their Thanksgiving is defined in explicitly religious terms, though terms so broad, I think, as to be agreeable to Muslims. LAQ presumably knows more about Canada than I do, though.

  98. @MikeatMikedotMike

    It makes enemies of people who are otherwise on the same side of a lot of issues. I’ve never had anyone say that shit to me face to face. Wonder why that is? The guys who harp on it are trolls. I put them on ignore after a few instances of it.

  99. @Charles Pewitt

    With the exception of Albion’s Seed, I am certain Fuentes has read all of the top books of the figures listed.

  100. @Rosie

    By historical standards, for Jews, contemporary outmarriage rates are extraordinarily high.

    They are still much lower than if marriages were completely random–but ALL outmarriage rates are extremely low by that metric.

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  101. Bill P says:
    @Talha

    Actually, Thanksgiving is still celebrated in the Netherlands among Protestants. Some say that’s where it started, as the pilgrims lived in the Netherlands for about fifteen years before sailing to the New World. It was very much a Protestant Christian holiday in the colonies, but its origin as a harvest festival is obviously pre-Christian.

    Supposedly it’s a secular holiday today, but that’s not how most Americans celebrate it. Almost all Christian Americans take the “thanks” in Thanksgiving as “thanks be to God.” Who else would we be thanking? The turkey?

    That said, I don’t see why Muslims couldn’t celebrate it, as they also believe thanks is due to God, and it isn’t a biblically-based holiday like Pentecost or Easter.

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  102. Talha says:
    @Bill P

    That said, I don’t see why Muslims couldn’t celebrate it, as they also believe thanks is due to God, and it isn’t a biblically-based holiday like Pentecost or Easter.

    Exactly – that’s how many Muslims end up looking at it.

    And thanks for those insights – I did not know that about the Protestants celebrating it in Europe.

    Peace.

  103. Alden says:
    @Mr. Rational

    Observator’s diatribe was copied from Susan Sontag and Noel Ignatiev.

  104. RSDB says:
    @Bill P

    My view is if the government of the US decides when a holiday should be, it is a secular holiday, even if overtly religious in tone.

    Of course it should be celebrated in an appropriately religious manner when possible, but given that practically everybody except straight atheists has some sort of conception of God, it’s a pretty expansive idea.

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  105. Talha says:
    @RSDB

    I remember my atheist friend in grade school – his family used to celebrate Christmas with trees and everything. Seemed weird to me, but whatever; I just loved going over there on Christmas morning to see what new games he got. Zeldaaaaaa!!!

    Peace.

  106. Rosie says:
    @Audacious Epigone

    They are still much lower than if marriages were completely random–but ALL outmarriage rates are extremely low by that metric.

    You’re the statistics expert, but I would assume that the Jewish outmarriage rate is far lower than the White rate compared to what would be expected if choices were random.

    In any event, I don’t deny that Jews are out marrying at historically unprecedented rates, but I’m not sure what the long-term significance of that will be. As likely as not, the remaining Jewish population will be even more hostile and ethnocentric after boiling off the goylovers.

  107. @Rosie

    2% s/b 98% outmarriage, is actually closer to 50%, so reality is half of what is expected. 63% of whites means outmarriage s/b 37%, is actually around 6%, so reality is only about 1/6th of what is expected.

    That’s a rough sketch and it assumes 330 million people are equally accessible to one another with the only limiting factor being personal preference.

    The orthodox have very low outmarriage rates. They are, quantitatively, the future of American Jewry. I don’t think they’ll much bother anybody (at least over the next few generations!).

  108. Leftism is the Gnostic Heresy as an ersatz religion for so-called athiests. Nature abhors a vacuum, and as Christianity left, something malevolent took up residence.

    Frankly, we see the results of the Irreligious Left being in power; faggot scoutmasters in the woods with adolescent boys, 20% or more of households in the USA don’t speak English at home, debts that soar beyond the orbit of Mars and open defecation on sidewalks.

    If the Right awakens when this circus folds, everyone better HOPE it’s the Religious Right, because if it’s the Irreligious version, it will make Genghis Khan look like a Disney Princess.

  109. @Rosie

    Jews outmarry, but the result is self-identified as Jew.

    It’s the self-identification that guides action, same as does membership in MS-13, the Crips, the Bloods, and Hells Angels.

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