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From YouGov, the gift that keeps on giving–material to me and migraines to many of you–contemporary support for busing “to achieve racial balance in public schools”, by selected demographic characteristics. “Not sure” responses are excluded. Consequently, residual values indicate percentages opposed to busing:

Busing appears to be a winning issue in the Democrat primaries and a neutral one in the general election. Bringing it up in the first debate was more than a mere pretense for painting Biden as a racist–it was to gain Harris support in her own right.

Social egalitarianism has many enemies. Freedom–not just of association, but freedom in general–is one of them.

 
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  1. Curious says:

    Why would it stop at busing, though? And as Steve mentioned, America’s public schools are not nearly as white as they were in the 60s and 70s. So you will need to forcibly integrate NAMs with Asians as well, particularly in California, her home state. The huge controversy in New York City schools over this issue shows that it may be popular with the public, but it is the elite that counts. And as America’s elite becomes ever more Asian, forced school integration across racial lines will be an increasingly hard sell. Asians are nearly as cucked as whites, including liberal Asians. They are also quite racially isolationist.

  2. If busing is merely a gambit to balance out colors, it’s a very tough sell. I would not bother sending my kid to a school via the bus, if the school down the street works just.

  3. Twinkie says:
    @Curious

    They are also quite racially isolationist.

    Intermarriage and housing data argue against the assertion, as Asians have the highest intermarriage rates and the highest percentages of residents who live in neighborhoods peopled by those outside their racial category.

    • Replies: @Curious
  4. dfordoom says: • Website

    Busing appears to be a winning issue in the Democrat primaries

    A wining issue among the young.

    So much for the idea of young people being really based. I think we can now quietly abandon that piece of wishful thinking.

  5. Curious says:
    @Twinkie

    Asians have the highest intermarriage rates

    Overwhelmingly to whites, not hispanics or blacks. So, they have no real desire to live among NAMs, and even less desire to see their kids be forced to attent blacker/more hispanic schools, which are more dysfunctional anyway. To the extent that they live in mixed neighbourhoods is just a function of them being a small part of the country. You should also seperate whites and NAMs in that data. What is the average Asian exposure to blacks, for instance? I don’t think it is very high and I don’t think they want it to be higher either.

    Furthermore, interracial marriage rates have come down from their highs in the 2000s, as reported by Pew research and many others using ACS data.

    Lastly, Asian-Americans are getting browner just as the country is. Indian-Americans and other South Asians are increasing much faster than East Asians and these are even more clannish, so these tendencies will increase even more.

  6. Here’s the hurdle.

    the truth remains that color mixing has occurred. Whether or not that has been beneficial may depend on what side of the fence one is on.

    Now I use the term color mixing — that is the mix of the biological construct. That is different from cultural diversity because cultural diversity denotes differences in world view. Whether diversity is a strength largely depends what diverse aspects one is addressing.

  7. iffen says:

    Egalitarianism is a worthy goal.

    The idea that each child should have equal access to a quality school and a fair share of educational resources is an example of worthy egalitarianism.

    School busing was a coercive, bureaucratic, ineffective and expensive attempt to achieve an egalitarian goal. It was a failure that destroyed black and white neighborhood schools and was a complete failure as a means of school integration.

    • Agree: Talha
    • Replies: @Marcus
    , @Colin Wright
  8. No numbers for ages 5 to 17? The beauty of busing is those being bused have no say in the matter. It’s kind of like conscription. How about parents of school age children? These are the only two groups with skin in the game. I would mention educators but they have become indoctrinators.

    If you don’t want your kids to be a trannies and commies get them OUT of public schools altogether. Never mind which public schools.

  9. Marcus says:

    Gen Z is so based

  10. Marcus says:
    @iffen

    Egalitarianism is a worthy goal.

    it is an appeal to the subhuman

    • Replies: @iffen
  11. Tykebomb says:

    Since the late 1960s this countries unwritten policy has been to use white children as a resource. Well, we’re out of white children. The under 18 demographic is 48% white. But becuase we’re ruled by boomers, by mindset if not age, they still think the country is 90/10 White/Black. This is why support for bussing is up. Every article on the subject says schools are becoming more segregated when in reality the schools are just more hispanic. The articles never say this becuase “black and hispanic” is just another word for black.

    The next few decades are going to be wild.

    • Replies: @Feryl
  12. @Twinkie

    In some places in California, including most of Los Angeles City, there are ZERO neighborhoods with more than 20% white or even halfwhite/half Asian people.

    The better question would be what percentage of white and white/asian people live in a majority white-and/or-Asian neighborhood. Because that’s the least bad option available to many of us now.

  13. ” I would mention educators but they have become indoctrinators.”

    Have been since I was in school, and were before I got to HS. ohh so many years ago, My history instructor and I a man i sincerely appreciated rarely if ever saw eye to eye. But he was a man who spoke forthrightly.

    but despite his liberality, I suspect he has a very jaundiced view of the current perspective of gender liquidity. Bravo for him . . . I am sure.

    Note: DOD schools might be a construct some want to look at with respect to integration.

  14. Talha says:

    Ah “Kamala”, that brings back some good childhood memories:

    Peace.

    • LOL: follyofwar
  15. @EliteCommInc.

    How many white parents would favor forced busing if it was their kid being forced to ride on a bus for an hour to attend a predominately black or Hispanic school? These white millennial snowflakes may well support busing in theory – IF they don’t have children. That same poll should have included parents who have children in school. Rich democrat politicians like childless Kamala favor busing as it will never affect them.

  16. @Talha

    That was the glory days of wrestling – and not that long ago. A funny skit like that would be totally impossible today. BTW, I’ll bet that Hulk Hogan beat Kamala in the end.

    • Replies: @Talha
  17. Talha says:
    @follyofwar

    Excellent points – vicarious virtue-signalling is the new fad.

    Peace,

  18. Talha says:
    @follyofwar

    Yeah – those were good days. Hulk did beat Kamala, but did you see Kamala body slam Andre the Giant (at the 50 sec mark)? That was prime Kamala! Fun times.

    Peace.

  19. @EliteCommInc.

    E.C. I can’t tell if you’re just using the term “busing” in its generic use, as it “driving kids around to schools with buses”. That’s been done forever, and still is everywhere. (Most kids where I live walk or ride bikes, though, but buses are available.)

    This specific use is from the early 1970’s, as “busing” became a bad word, at least to most white people, meaning mixing kids of different races in the schools on purpose. That’s the use in question by all these Blue-squad candidates bringing up one of the most stupid, odious ideas of the past – a thing that we all* thought was thankfully behind us.

    I’m writing this to tell you that it doesn’t matter so much that you will send your kid down the street. These buses will bring the ghetto kids to YOUR KID’S SCHOOL too.

    .

    * I guess I just speak for the non-retarded from the white and red bars.

  20. @dfordoom

    I guess these young people don’t want to hear about the last time from their parents or grandparents. “Those who don’t remember history …”

  21. @Talha

    You know that stuff is fake, right?

    ;-}

    That is wrastling, as opposed to wrestling, which is a great sport.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Thomm
  22. Talha says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    You know that stuff is fake, right?

    Oh yeah totally!

    But when you are a kid, watching a bunch of grown men in chuddies slapping and throwing each other around a ring is pretty entertaining and engrossing.

    Peace.

  23. Thomm says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    You know that stuff is fake, right?

    I hope you understand the difference between ‘fake’ and ‘scripted’.

    Hate to burst your bubble, but the people you see in movies are actors. They aren’t really the people portrayed on screen. This is even true of films that portray Klingons, Vulcans, Romulans, Wookies, Hutts, Kryptonians, Amazons, Orcs, Elves, Dwarves, Olog-Hai, Hobbits, etc.

    The magic shows from David Copperfield, etc. are also not really magic. Did you know THAT???

    heh heh

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  24. Arclight says:

    In a lot of large public school systems there aren’t enough white kids to go around to avoid creating a student body that is majority minority. Progressive hate charter and magnet schools because they tend to skew far more white and Asian than the district at large, but school administrators/political leaders understand full well that if they don’t provide that option, even more white and Asian parents will exit the public school system than has already happened in the last 30 years, and they don’t want that.

  25. indocon says:

    32% of Republicans support bussing!!!!! What the hell was all that fight against communists all for?

  26. @iffen

    ‘The idea that each child should have equal access to a quality school and a fair share of educational resources is an example of worthy egalitarianism.’

    The difficulty is that past a certain rather modest point, blacks having access to a quality school is an oxymoron.

    If a school becomes — say — 50% black, it is usually no longer a quality school. People may find that fact upsetting, but it remains a fact.

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
    , @Feryl
  27. @follyofwar

    ‘How many white parents would favor forced busing if it was their kid being forced to ride on a bus for an hour to attend a predominately black or Hispanic school? These white millennial snowflakes may well support busing in theory – IF they don’t have children. ‘

    People are capable of the most prodigious flights of unconscious hypocrisy. I lived for a long time in the San Francisco Bay Area — political correctness ground zero. I would imagine nineteen out of twenty white parents would have approved of integration — in principle. Certainly they would have been aghast at the concept of racially segregated schools.

    For much of that time, I made my living as a mover. Now, here’s the thing. A fairly common move for me was to move a single white mom with two white kids from one anonymous two-bedroom apartment to another. We’d only gone five blocks — and the new apartment was just like the old one.

    Why’d she make this move? Then it would dawn on me — her kids have become school age, and we just left El Cerrito and entered Albany. El Cerrito is nice enough, but the schools are decidedly integrated; it’s part of the Richmond School District. Albany is nice enough too — and only 3.5% black.

    But of course schools shouldn’t be segregated. That would be wrong.

  28. “How many white parents would favor forced busing if it was their kid being forced to ride on a bus for an hour to attend a predominately black or Hispanic school?”

    Apparently you missed my comments on what I think of busing as a means merely to mix.

    I have a more detailed response, but for the moment I will stay to my original minus the explication. i suspect you are reading more into the comment than is present.

  29. @Colin Wright

    You may be conflating access and outcomes.
    The quality of instruction and resources may be the same (access), but the disruptive forces of those not prepared to make use of them is an outcome.

  30. “I’m writing this to tell you that it doesn’t matter so much that you will send your kid down the street. These buses will bring the ghetto kids to YOUR KID’S SCHOOL too.”

    Keenly aware of the consternation over busing. And your comments are predicated on some false assumptions the most obvious of which is that black kids were bused to better schools. it was not uncommon that the economic situations of various systems were quite comparable.

    In response overall, unless you have a more effective response to structural discrimination — one will have to bemoan the use of discrimination to hobble and maintain practices to ensure inequalities of certain populations. It’s not as of the white kids were the most prestiges in the cities that bused.

  31. @Curious

    Of course. the new plan is to bus white kids into negro areas. We are the new minority.

    I made a similar comment in the last thread which was ignored.

    But they’re coming for your kids, and they will be bussed 50km to a negro school. This is just ramping up that effort.

  32. @dfordoom

    This is one of those things impossible to empirically verify. But, from what I know from (Western) history, there are periods when young people are, at least a significant amount of them, full of restless revolutionary energy & want to make something wonderfully new; then, there are periods when most of them are, basically- conformists & egotists. Then- there are periods when they’re nothing more than spoiled children.

    Just two-three additional points: a) being young does not mean that you are, automatically, full of energy, b) it doesn’t mean you are “idealistic”, c) also, it has nothing to do with being “on the right side of history” (whatever that may mean).

  33. iffen says:
    @Marcus

    it is an appeal to the subhuman

    I reject the existence of the category of subhumans. Although, neo-Nazis make a persuasive case against my argument.

    • Replies: @L Woods
    , @Thomm
    , @Marcus
  34. L Woods says:
    @iffen

    Egads, what a tedious old fool you are.

    • Agree: Marcus
  35. Feryl says:
    @Tykebomb

    Acknowledging demographic changes would require a fresh approach to ideology and policy. But as you say, today’s over the age of 50 population invested in something during their youth, when America was culturally and demographically much different. Even in the absence of demographic change, today’s younger generation’s would want something different than what their parents wanted; that’s just how things go. That being said, the profound demographic changes of the last 30 years are going to cause an even greater cultural shift. Today’s articles about racial issues often fail to mention Asians, and/or lump in “Hispanics” with blacks even though Hispanic-Americans are much less of a headache than blacks. Even though a lot of these off-base articles are written by younger people, they are under pressure to conform to the dated ideology taught to them by aging teachers and bosses. It’s like how so many movies are still being made about the 1960’s; Millennials don’t care, but aging and wealthy Boomers who provide the funding for movies still think that the world needs to keep revisiting their youth.

    • Replies: @MBlanc46
  36. Feryl says:
    @Colin Wright

    It depends on the nature of the area’s blacks. Californian and Midwestern blacks are utterly terrible. A school need only be 25% black in CA or the Midwest for it to become a no-go zone, which will rapidly turn more and more black within the next 5-10 years as word gets out (as Jr. comes home with a black eye or a wrecked phone, and his parents then mysteriously either send him to a private school or move the family to gain access to a different district).

    The South, and expensive East Coast metro areas, seem to be getting the better quality blacks, probably due to some extent to Northern and Western blacks seeing “brain-drain” due to the re-migration to the South and Mid-Atlantic (plus places like NYC have seen immigration of decent quality foreign blacks which along with gentrification displaces the hapless native black population)

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  37. @Thomm

    Yes, Thomm, that’s what that bolded smiley face was about (you may have to turn your monitor 90-degrees CW).

    Fake means that they are not really beating the ever loving crap out of each other, whether it’s scripted or not. I really doubt they’ve got the whole thing set up in advance by a choreographer, either, Thomm, as these guys are wrastlers – they aren’t part of the Moscow Ballet.

    The thing about magic shows on TV is that they can get away with anything. In real life, the show are great – unless you try really hard to watch the sleight-of-hand moves, it’s very convincing. No, I don’t believe that those rabbits were born in the top hats.

    Whaddya think, I was born on some subcontinent or something? I was born on a FULL continent.

  38. Feryl says:
    @follyofwar

    Most Millennials aren’t even having kids, thanks to the fact that so many jobs pay crap and living expenses have soared over the last 20 years. Older generations back in the 90’s used to say that the key to success and happiness was “hard work”. Uh-huh. Pump the brakes on the mockery of today’s younger generations, because let’s not forget that the corruption and arrogance of the dolts who embraced neo-liberalism could well lead to the revival of the guillotine. And since nearly all modern wealth is possessed by people born before 1960, with the remaining table scraps seized by those born in the 60’s and 70’s, who do you suppose is getting their heads chopped off? And who’s gonna be doing the chopping?

    Oh, and Aud. Epigone himself was born around 1983. “Millennials” are not the problem. The leadership of “our” institutions has consisted, to this day, of people mostly born before 1960. Later generations didn’t ask for sky high divorce rates, a usury based economy, high homelessness rates, de-industrialization, union busting, and other such signs of decay and corruption. The older generations bought into libertarian dogma about the horrors of regulation and big government back in the 70’s and 80’s, and we’ve been paying the price ever since.

    • Replies: @follyofwar
  39. Now that you’ve put this song in my head, A.E. I may as well post it. (From the title, sort of?)

  40. Thomm says:
    @iffen

    I reject the existence of the category of subhumans. Although, neo-Nazis make a persuasive case against my argument.

    See? Whattiditellya?

    I have been saying the exact same thing for a while.

  41. @Feryl

    ‘…which will rapidly turn more and more black within the next 5-10 years as word gets out (as Jr. comes home with a black eye or a wrecked phone, and his parents then mysteriously either send him to a private school or move the family to gain access to a different district).’

    The sad thing is that white kids — many of them, anyway — are spiritually disarmed.

    It’s generally best to fight back, but it’s even more true with blacks, who are rarely interested in a fair fight. I had gone to a school that was integrated to begin with, but starting in fifth grade, we got bussed, and went to school with real ghetto blacks.

    I got remorselessly bullied. Well, over the summer between fifth and sixth grades, I underwent various events that didn’t make me a nicer person, but did make me considerably meaner.

    The first day of sixth grade, I knocked some little black kid on his ass. I wasn’t bothered for the rest of the year.

    But of course, we can’t explain to little white kids, ‘now blacks are cruel, and vicious, and they’ll really go after a helpless victim. No matter how scared you are, you have to hit back.’

    The school playground in general isn’t exactly a child’s garden of verses to begin with, but generally, while there is a picking order, you won’t be tormented too much if you just want to accept a place lower down on it rather than competing for rank. That’s true for whites, and from what I’ve seen, for Hispanics.

    It isn’t true for ghetto blacks. If you don’t fight back, they will eat you. Too many of them are just too vicious.

    • Replies: @Marcus
    , @Feryl
  42. Marcus says:
    @iffen

    Actual Neo-Nazis would, I despise those almost as much as I do communist cretins like yourself.

  43. Marcus says:
    @Colin Wright

    I’ve known many honorable blacks, but in general this is true (especially with the younger ones) and they are usually cowardly when confronted with resistance. The Legarrett Blount-style sucker punch is the archetypical blaq attaq

  44. Feryl says:
    @Colin Wright

    There isn’t really that much violence in schools anymore, not counting, of course, the Lord of the Flies type vibe in the worst urban schools. But even those schools aren’t as bad as they were in the 70’s-early 90’s.

    I really don’t know that many people these days, aside from the elderly, who still conflate what they observed in the 70’s and 80’s with the actual trends of modern youth culture. Violence in schools, and among teenagers in general, has been declining since about 1996. Drug use and drinking has been declining since 1981, aside from a momentary uptick in the late 90’s. Moreover, all of these trends have been very pronounced with white kids, with anti-social behavior being increasingly concentrated in blacks with every passing decade (I don’t know that many white Gen X-ers who remember 1990 as being a time of brawls, drugs, and partying, whereas a lot of white Boomers remember 1970 and 1980 being like that; on the other hand, the 1980’s and 90’s were so awful for blacks that black women actually got shorter in the 80’s and 90’s, due to all of the stress of living in the ghettos of that era).

    • Replies: @MBlanc46
  45. “But of course, we can’t explain to little white kids, ‘now blacks are cruel, and vicious, and they’ll really go after a helpless victim. No matter how scared you are, you have to hit back.’”

    That is a very tough sell. Not that black people cannot be as vicious and cruel as whites or browns but the suggestion that this is the case for all or most. It’s tough to defend this kind of posturing as some form of standing truth.

    But it certainly explains a lot. I am at this moment experiencing a very real crisis in trust – but I still find this kind of rhetoric over the top.

    I guess that is a positive.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  46. @Feryl

    Aging boomers will get their comeuppance when they attempt to sell their $500,000 McMansions and discover there are no young people with the means or desire to buy them.

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
  47. @follyofwar

    Hence the constant mass immigration. Little do they know…

    Unfortunately that will hurt us though. They’re going to lose money which means our inheritances get smaller.

    I don’t know what’s wrong with these boomers. Constantly smiling, constantly positive and upbeat. I was at a rest station on the highway, full of welfare muslims and filthy Indians. The white people under 50 looked POed af, it just puts us in a general bad mood to be around the horrible energy of the 3rd worlders.

    But the Boomers, they were living like in paradise! Happy, smiling, outgoing. Its creepy and unnatural human behaviour. Boomers are scum and once they die off whites will be better off.

    • Replies: @Feryl
  48. @EliteCommInc.

    I guess that is a positive.

    What’s positive? I don’t know what you were referring to, but I can tell you that the positive thing for you is to keep learning more truth. It may hurt, and you may have to agree with people you used to call names, but just read, keep your eyes open, and notice.

  49. “What’s positive? I don’t know what you were referring to, but I can tell you that the positive thing for you is to keep learning more truth. It may hurt, and you may have to agree with people you used to call names, but just read, keep your eyes open, and notice.”

    I am unsure what this is in reference to.

    I don’t think there is any record of me calling anyone names. And you loaded suggestion is entirely false. If you can find some commentary where I call people names, you are welcome to introduce it.

    And nothing thus far that I have encountered on this would of such revelation to cause me pain because represents some truth that I must now accept once rejected.

    It is positive that in spite a period of deep mistrust, I have not gone over the edge so as to accept something as generalized as “all blacks”, “most blacks” or even a substantial (?) number of blacks are vicious. My distrust has not led down a path make false claims. Ha not led me down of seizing every or any opportunity or making up contends to malign others — as yet to

    “return evil for evil” That even those I disagree with are due fairness.

    Given how I feel these days that is positive.

    —————————————–

    Something more direct:

    This comment,

    ““But of course, we can’t explain to little white kids, ‘now blacks are cruel, and vicious, and they’ll really go after a helpless victim. No matter how scared you are, you have to hit back.’”

    is contradicted by our social history. That color animosity has been most effective when taught to “little children” and whites have been training little children to respond negatively to blacks for all of US history. In otherwords, your comment is contradicted by the facts. Not only can whites employ your comment. They have done so for centuries to this very day.

    • Replies: @Bill
  50. Correction:

    “In other words, that comment is contradicted by the facts. Not only can whites employ your comment. They (whites) have done so very effectively for centuries to this very day.

  51. Marty T says:
    @follyofwar

    The question itself was worded to be as positive as possible towards busing. If it was for their own kid, I’m sure at least the white numbers would be much lower. Plus the question didnt specify if it was busing forced by the federal government.

  52. Bill says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    This comment,

    ““But of course, we can’t explain to little white kids, ‘now blacks are cruel, and vicious, and they’ll really go after a helpless victim. No matter how scared you are, you have to hit back.’”

    is contradicted by our social history. That color animosity has been most effective when taught to “little children” and whites have been training little children to respond negatively to blacks for all of US history. In other words, your comment is contradicted by the facts. Not only can whites employ your comment. They have done so for centuries to this very day.

    You’re just repeating silly leftoid calumnies.

  53. MBlanc46 says:
    @Feryl

    I”’m an aging Boomer. I would tell you: Leave my g-d youth alone! It was mine. Bugger off!

  54. MBlanc46 says:
    @Feryl

    Apparently, you don’t see much of Colin Flaherty’s material.

    • Replies: @Feryl
  55. “But of course, we can’t explain to little white kids, ‘now blacks are cruel, and vicious, and they’ll really go after a helpless victim. No matter how scared you are, you have to hit back.”

    Now certain allegations have been made.

    1. that I call people names

    2. that I now agree with the commentary of people I have called names

    As I have said before, name calling is something reserved for offline —

    ————————————–
    I certainly do not support the above statement as it is an over generalization and as such false/incorrect. Blacks in general are not meaner, crueler or vicious than whites kids, certainly not as some kind of innate trait. It may be possible that those exposed to tougher conditions respond in like manner. But that would be to environment, not merely some biological trait.

    • Replies: @Toronto Russian
  56. Feryl says:
    @MBlanc46

    The Youth Risk Behavior survey, which began in 1991, has shown falling levels of youth violence since the late 90’s (they’ve consistently asked students if they’ve been in a fight recently, did you bring a weapon to school within the past year, etc.).

    The national institute on drug abuse has found that drug use and drinking among teenagers began to decline once Reagan took office (Strauss and Howe also have said that society tends to be increasingly prone to indulgence when Boomer type generations come of age, then turns swiftly against indulgence when the next generation comes of age; e.g., drinking and drug use rose from 1960-1980, then we had Just Say No, anti-drunk driving campaigns, greater awareness of second hand smoke, and so forth after 1981). In terms of generational imprinting, Boomers who came of age amid record high levels of youth drug abuse, schoolyard fighting, and promiscuity just take it for granted that these things are normal for every generation (and some even claim that these problems are worse for later generations), when in reality they’ve been declining since the early 80’s (though ghetto blacks were responsible for some awful stuff in the late 80’s and early 90’s).

    Apparently, you don’t see much of Colin Flaherty’s material.

    Sure, we could cherry pick certain incidents or anecdotes, but the reality is that sex and violence among teenagers and young adults is much MUCH lower these days than it was in 1990, or 1980, or 1970. It gets real old hearing Boomers projecting their own pathologies onto other generations, just like it gets old hearing the canard that America was much safer when it was over 80% white, in say, 1980. In reality, white Boomers were horribly socialized and destructive; interestingly, child abuse researcher David Finkelhor has speculated that since the early 90’s the growth in Hispanic and Asian families may have actually led to less child abuse; black and white Boomers basically disintegrated the American family in the 70’s and 80’s.

  57. Feryl says:
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    What you are detecting is that people who came of age in the Great wealth Compression of 1930-1980 tend to be more friendly and trusting, at least superficially (because in the Great Compression, society had a lot of camaraderie). People who came of age in the Neo-Lib era of the 80’s and beyond tend to be more guarded. But Silents and Boomers glibly took the positive traits of the Great Compression for granted, and eventually threw them all away, which angers younger generations who feel like they got sold out in most respects.

    When Silents and Boomers came of age, the resented the idea of schoolmarm authorities in the government, the church etc. telling them what to do. So they pushed for more and more “de-regulation” as time went on; first it was de-regulating personal behavior in the 60’s and 70’s, then it was de-regulating the markets in the 80’s and 90’s. This has, of course, created chaos and dysfunction which X-ers and Millennials intuitively grasp; we didn’t ask for chaos, but that’s we’ve seen throughout our lives. Silents and Boomers got order and stability in their youth*, which they didn’t ask for.

    *Relative to what other generations experienced, in periods of corruption and instability, while Silents and Boomers grew up with older adults and authority mostly being responsible and temperate.

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  58. Feryl says:
    @Feryl

    Boomers who think that the 60’s and early 70’s were “crazy” are betraying ignorance and navel gazing, since the Civil War era and the early 20th century were far more costly in terms of blood shed. The 60’s radical counter-culture was defined by it’s lack of mainstream acceptance, whereas political/vigilante/workplace violence* was considerably worse around 1920 than it was around 1970, because of how many normies got in on the act in the early 20th century.

    *Workplace violence is distinct to eras of high inequality, which creates alienation between workers, and between workers and management. Workplace violence became less and less common from 1930-1960, and in fact wasn’t even that bad in the 60’s and 70’s either. When inequality kicked into high gear in the 1990’s, workplace violence began to rival what we had seen in the early 20th century, the last gasp of the Gilded Age.

  59. @EliteCommInc.

    You’re right, it’s not a racial thing. Caucasian Dagestanis are known as vicious bullies in Russian school and army. All said about ghetto black kids here, our people say about them.

    I have an interview with a Dagestani expert who explains how the mountaineer abrek culture and the consequences of 90s – 2000s Chechen wars shape his tribe’s boys like that. But I warn that Google Translate doesn’t do a good job on it.
    https://topwar.ru/136889-dagestancy-v-armii-rassadnik-nenavisti-ili-kostyak-podrazdeleniy.html

    Even Asian, Buddhist Kalmyks may be the organized minority that subjugates the majority with the same strategy of ruthless pack aggression.

    And not all blacks are in American ghettos. I like reading the blogs of people who travel without money or with very little money, so they aren’t insulated from the common folk. It appears they agree that Africans in stable, peaceful societies (like Ghana, Kenya or Namibia) are friendly and generous. It’s safer there for a white traveler than in gang-infested parts of Latin America, and the locals often share food with him or find him a place to stay for a night.

    Most of human behavior is circumstancial, people do what others in their social circle do/what they can get away with.

  60. Speaking of Latin America… Medellin, the former crime capital of Pablo Escobar with the highest murder rate in the world, is successfully solving its ghetto problem. Busing slum kids to higher-class areas was absolutely not needed (that sounds like a cruel joke, to show them another life for a few hours a day and then return them to live in a garbage dump). Instead the municipal authorities went and improved the slums themselves! Now the people aren’t afraid to go outside, are bathing in tourist money and have become proud and happy.

    https://www.halfhalftravel.com/travel-guides/why-everyone-should-take-medellins-city-transformation-tour.html

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/destinations/south-america/colombia/articles/medellin-murder-capital-to-hipster-destination/

    Sad that America and Canada, which have vastly more resources, don’t make effort to do something similar (I’m not even in a ghetto and the public transit here is a joke, Colombians build it and Canadians ignore it), and whatever they do just makes everyone more pissed off.

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