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Blacks in America support open borders. They express less support for immigration restrictionism than even Hispanics or Jews do. It’s a perennial fantasy that they’re the biggest opponents of open borders on account of being the ones hurt by it the most.

Libertarians get a lot a grief from us for thinking urban blacks are a natural constituency because the drug war allows police a pretense to throw huge numbers of them into prison and zoning restrictions make it hard for them to bootstrap businesses in the urban core. Libertarians deserve that grief, but we’re hardly any better if we pretend that sticking it to whitey isn’t the primary motivating factor driving black political behavior. Few blacks consciously think through the consequences of bringing in more taxeaters and more competition for a dwindling number of unskilled jobs. And even if the scorpion realizes what stinging the frog will do, he’s still going to sting the frog because he’s a scorpion and that’s what scorpions do.

Black leaders on the right are notoriously supportive of open borders. Kanye West’s embarrassing love affair with Trump came to an end over immigration and token twofer Mia Love trashed Trump over his putative hardline stances on immigration even though giving a half-hearted endorsement of Trumpism during her campaign would’ve won her reelection in 2018.

Black eagerness to invite the world isn’t just a consequence of anti-Republican partisanship. To illustrate as much, results from three different polls in which nothing about partisan affiliation or Donald Trump is mentioned follow. For all questions “don’t know/not sure” responses are excluded.

From a nationwide SurveyUSA poll of 1,000 people, the percentages who describe illegal immigration as a “serious problem”, who support building a wall along the US-Mexico border, and who believe the US should send aid to Mexico to help the migrant caravan:

surveyusa

From a Reuters-Ipsos poll of 14,330 people, percentages who support a congressional spending bill that includes funding for a border wall:

wall

And from another Reuters-Ipsos poll of 9,138 people, percentages who think the US should increase the number of illegal immigrants that are deported back to their countries of origin:

deportations

With the marginal exception of deportations–which directly hita lot of Hispanics in the family feelz–blacks are the least supportive of immigration restrictionism of any kind. When Trump or Republicans are mentioned, black sentiment tends to to be even more supportive of open borders than what is represented above, none of which explicitly mentions Trump or Republicans.

It’s political dissolution and the creation of real nations–ethnostates–from the imperial rubble or it’s demographic overrun. There are no other peaceful alternatives.

 
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  1. Felix.... says:

    It’s a pretty simple calculation for the blacks. On their own, they cannot politically overpower whites. As part of a larger coalition of minorities they eventually hope to get there. As such, they will quite logically make decisions calculated to increase the strength of the coalition to which they belong and from which they seek the benefit in a grand way in the future. Since immigration increases the numbers of the anti-white coalition, blacks are quite rightly in support of more immigration.

    Make no mistake, the eventual end game for all the various “minority” groups out there is to strip whites of every last ounce of power, property, and eventually freedom. Slavery, although evil, is a natural part of the human condition and was rather artificially stamped out by whites just a little over a hundred years ago compared to the thousands of years during which it was a pervasive paradigm all around the world. It will inevitably make a comeback just as soon as whites lose their global political power and the “human rights” world-order this power makes possible collapses. Ironically, whites will become the prototypical slave race of the future given that they will be powerless minorities in all their traditional homelands, completely at the mercy of the new majorities and with no power centers of their own anywhere in the world. Best case scenario for whites as a minority group in the future is as a kind of feudal serf/peasant class, but I think outright chattel slavery is more likely.

    • Agree: Mr McKenna, Trevor H., clyde
    • Disagree: TG
    • LOL: AndrewR
  2. It’s the same concept of Hispanics as “real conservatives”. The ultimate motivation is always to somehow antagonize the hated heritage Americans. Or maybe they just don’t get it? It is a bit more abstract after all, and not always immediately relevant to individual citizens.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
  3. American Indians absolutely despise the very concept of immigration.

    But you think they’re inferior, too!

    What are you going to do now?!

  4. Anon[103] • Disclaimer says:

    Maybe blacks figure, ‘more immigrants, more victory for Democrats, and more gibs me dat’.
    Blacks don’t see immigrants as competitors but as tax payers who pay into the system that takes care of blacks.

    As for African Immigration to Europe, the main problems is not that blacks got 80 IQ but 10 Inch dongs.

  5. Extremely solid research. It was cringy as fuck to see the MAGApedes, and more than a fair share of “alt right” personalities, temporarily embrace Kanye with his bizarre pro-Trump rants which were shallow and sought attention to himself.

    This is the same rapper who later teamed up with jewish porn directors like greg lansky – who promotes miscegenation – in a telling reveal of who he is. Most of all, the affair was a reflection of the Deep desperation for many on the right to not be called names by liberals and leftists. It’s a reflection of their mental defeat that they have given up fighting on first principles.

    It’s political dissolution and the creation of real nations–ethnostates–from the imperial rubble or it’s demographic overrun. There are no other peaceful alternatives.

    Before we talk about ethnostates we must first regain white solidarity and most of all consciousness. An ethnostate is a laudable long-term goal, but it can only happen once you reach a critical mass of white people first. We don’t even have any explicit pro-White organisations in any of our countries right now of considerable size and influence. We have to start with the basics.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
  6. this goes to show that there’s only so much that a poll can tell you. While you should question your own assumptions – it seems to fly in the face of what I know about black and hispanic relations, especially where they live side-by-side (south central anyone?)

    I think what this proves that ideology really only means anything to the majority population of a given place. As I’ve said before – the reason black conservatives vote for democrats is because they are voting in a system they themselves didn’t build. In an all black society – the political fault lines would probably make more sense. With whites, voting is more in line with ideology since said ideologies were created by whites.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  7. Sean says:

    It’s political dissolution and the creation of real nations–ethnostates–from the imperial rubble or it’s demographic overrun. There are no other peaceful alternatives.

    Russia and China would have to dissolve before the USA could.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Mitleser
  8. indocon says:

    Sadly you are correct AE. Add Ann Coulter to the list of righties who have been clinging to this citizenship fantasy.

    With ~40% of whites turning out to be extremely difficult to get for your side, I think the only viable option left to keep the country whole is to keep the gates of whitey club wide open to hispanics and asians who want to join in, make them think about this is a binary choice.

  9. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sean

    Right, the dissolution of the US would basically mean that Russia and China would dominate the world, and they (and probably others) can be expected to intervene and establish bases and take over parts of formerly US territory to prevent another continental state that can project power and threaten them from forming ever again. They’d be stupid not to. The former US dissolved into mutually hostile rump states and without any imperial structures would be powerless to stop it.

  10. Blacks in America believe that they will have a Magic Utopia after they get rid of the whites. They actually believe the movie Black Panther is real. If it weren’t for whites that’s what Africa would look like.

    What’s really sad is that they can’t quantify what the illegal Hispanics are doing for their chance of success. The Blacks have been run out of some parts of L.A. and Rahm the Magic Godfather in Chicago welcome the Hispanics to the stupidity of the Blacks.

    The Blacks no longer want jobs…they want reparations. They believe they can overwhelm the system with their brown brothers. However, they might be in for a surprise because these Mexicans prefer their own and know that most of these Blacks are losers.

    Obama has taught them to hate Whitey so much even if it’s to their own detriment.

    • Agree: jim jones, densa
    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
  11. the drug war allows police a pretense to throw huge numbers of them into prison

    I think the regular people type blacks are glad to have them gone.

  12. Tyrion 2 says:

    It is different in the UK.

    • Replies: @216
    , @indocon
    , @LondonBob
  13. Blacks are given way too much attention politically from both sides. Do we have any idea what % of blacks actually vote?

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  14. 216 says:
    @Tyrion 2

    The thing is that the 2013 poll is out of date. The UK perceived itself as being in a far worse economic state at that time, it also helped that the cordon sanitaire had been broken when Cameron pledged (lied) about cutting immigration in 2010.

    Six years later, and now Brexit is underwater in the polls and likely to be scuttled. Years of the press scare-mongering about “hate crimes” and “labour shortages” and now “shortages” of all kinds if there is a “no-deal”. That’s tipped the balance away from restrictions, to the point where George Osbourne could openly admit that he and Cameron never intended to actually cut immigration.

    https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/uk-public-opinion-toward-immigration-overall-attitudes-and-level-of-concern/#kp2

    Figure 2, Figure 6

    The revealed preferences also reveal that when put to it, the UK’s voters will not meaningfully shift their votes. Most of the UK is “safe seats” where either LAB or CON is a lock to win. So the only way to change the policies is for anti-immigration activists to join the dominant party’s constituency association and de-select the globalist MP.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @LondonBob
  15. @obwandiyag

    I’m going to do this:

    obwandiyag says:Show Comment
    January 6, 2019 at 6:23 am GMT

  16. @Anon

    “Blacks don’t see immigrants as competitors but as tax payers who pay into the system that takes care of blacks. ”

    No disrespect intended but not a chance. That concept is too complex. Most blacks haven’t the slightest concept of where the gibz come from and don’t care.

    Blacks see other non whites as allies against whites.

    They have no idea that immigration is worst for blacks as a group and if you point it out to them, it only entrenches the idea they have that whites are evil racists. I’m a teamster in the Chicago area (the only trade in the area where blacks have significant representation; they are almost non existent in any other union trade around here even though they make up a third of the population) so yes, I have had and listened to these types of conversations take place in the drivers’ room.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @jim jones
  17. Ha, I was about to write (earlier this morning) that nobody yet has come to the common-sense conclusion until I just now read Mike-at-Mike’s comment.

    I’m getting the impression that not many here have been acquainted with lots of middle, working-class, and welfare-mooch black people. You are reading too much into some imaginary conversation they may have or thoughts of theirs. I will except 10-20%, but look, here’s a multiple-choice question as to how blacks would think (multiple answers are acceptable):

    Which would be more likely to be a black conversation about the immigration invasion (with apologies for my terrible grasp of Jive Ebonics)?

    a) Yeah, J’siah, I was goin’ in to the job site the other day and saw loads of those Mexican’s they hired. This ain’t workin’ out for us, Homes.” “Yeah, I reckon we betta get out and vote agin’ this immigration crap. We gettin’ screwed, Nigga!”

    b) “You seen all those Mexicans workin’ stead of a the brotha’s on that roof over on Elm St. We losin’ lotsa work.” “Yeah, my man at the highway department said we need to pay attention to politics and sheeet.” “Whatchu talkin’ ’bout politics, Homie, you actin’ like one of them white boys at that rehab place. I ain’t got time for no sheet like dat – gotta get me some weed and some ass…”

    c) “You see those sucka’s workin’ on dat roof round da block? Man, long as my ho come through with the check. I don’t need any a that sheet.”

  18. What I’m getting at is this: Here’s the way a large majority of black voters make their choice:

    a) The preacher or black “leader” tells them what to do, and, if they have time or an incentive (if you know what I mean) they’ll got there and mash whatever buttons he’s told them to.

    b) They vote for the black man, and, failing that, woman, period, no matter how equally-thoughtless his views on immigration are.

    c) They vote for whomever is promising the most free stuff.

    Don’t read high-level though processes into people that don’t do high-level thought processing. Except for the 10% thinkers, black people don’t want to spend mental energy on something this highfalutin, such as what the impact will be of large-scale immigration on their lives going forward.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @Thomm
  19. @Anonymous

    South America has had numerous countries for a very long time and that type of foreign domination hasn’t happened. I don’t see either Russia, China, or the EU having any interest in North American extraterritoriality.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @LondonBob
  20. @Anonymous

    That looks like one of the most lazy-minded worthless graphs of such a breakup I’ve ever seen. Whoever made it didn’t even spend the time to read The Nine Nations of North America, which, though very old now, at least made a good attempt to categorize the land and culture.

    The reason many people will not use the term “Civil War” for the “War of Northern Aggression”, or at least use “War Between the States” is because it was not, in technical terms a “civil war”. With the exception of the guerilla warfare and other madness in the west (that meant Kansas, Missouri, etc, back then), that war was between two sovereign entities, The Confederate States of America and The United States of America. If you look by county and even by voting precinct, the political divisions in present-day America go down to a small scale.

    My point here is that, if things go bad here, as precipitated by a financial calamity, the fighting will be on very local levels. I don’t think things can get divided smoothly by 4 or so regions.

    Anyway, that map is crap.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
  21. Hey, look what immigration to America did for African Americans. As Cassius Clay once said, “I’m glad my great-grandpa got on that boat!” Just sharin’ the luv.

  22. jim jones says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    A female friend is on Maternity Leave and had no idea where the money for this comes from until I told her it was the taxpayer. She still partly believes that her company pays her to sit around watching TV just because she is so wonderful.

    • Replies: @Thomm
    , @Mr McKenna
  23. Thomm says:

    It’s a perennial fantasy that they’re the biggest opponents of open borders on account of being the ones hurt by it the most.

    They imagine that they will be made a senior partner in some grand anti-white alliance.

    In reality, exactly the opposite is going to happen (and is already happening). The division being formed is between black and non-black*. Ron Unz has been pointing this out for nearly a decade.

    *WN wiggers are getting eradicated in the process as well, which is by nature’s design.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  24. Thomm says:
    @jim jones

    She still partly believes that her company pays her to sit around watching TV just because she is so wonderful.

    Sounds like her job should be eliminated by Artificial Intelligence.

  25. Thomm says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    b) They vote for the black man, and, failing that, woman, period, no matter how equally-thoughtless his views on immigration are.

    False.

    In 2006, there were three major races where a black Republican was up against a white Democrat. These races were PA Gov, OH Gov, and MD Senate. The black Republican candidates were Lynn Swann, Kenneth Blackwell, and Michael Steele respectively.

    In all three cases, the black man got 20-25% of the black vote, and the white man got 75-80%. The race only caused about a 10-point shift from the normal black bias towards Democrats, no more.

    This proved to be that blacks are Democrats first and blacks second. A black Republican will not draw black votes away from a white Democrat.

    c) They vote for whomever is promising the most free stuff.

    Partly true, but even if the Democrats stopping giving them free stuff, they would still vote for them, since the media tells them to. In addition, I believe that most black-majority public schools teach nothing other than ‘vote Democrat, vote Democrat, vote Democrat’.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @216
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    , @Bill
  26. 216 says:

    Off topic:

    https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2018/12/israel-ultra-orthodox-poverty-research-oecd-health-secular.html

    The Israeli ultra-Orthodox paradox: earning little, feeling rich

    There are some lessons for our movements and people to be learned from the Haredi. A higher TFR comes at a price, but in 100 years there will still be Haredi. I cannot say the same about English Anglicans.

    • Replies: @Kratoklastes
    , @LondonBob
  27. @Felix....

    Slavery, although evil, is a natural part of the human condition

    People who keep saying that don’t realise how fucking idiotic it makes them look.

    Know what else is ‘part of the human condition‘? Rape. Homosexuality. Incest. Paedophilia. Theft. Even cannibalism. (Notice something? Most of that little list is explicitly commanded in the Old Testament, along with slavery – and genocide).

    In fact, think of pretty much any behaviour that you find viscerally repulsive, and it’ll be ‘part of the human condition’ – and it will have been a widespread behaviour in some or other society that persisted for at least a millennium.

    The whole thing about having ‘society’ is precisely that there are parts of the ‘human condition’ that have adverse consequences if permitted to persist; those are the focus of the most basic set of primitive laws (e.g., “Don’t deliberately kill people”).

    I don’t really ‘do’ “evil” as a concept, because it’s generally part of religious nonsense; however to the extent that I understand what people are getting at when they use the word, I cannot think of a single ‘evil’ thing that has not been an institutional practice in some society at some point in time.

    Human sacrifice? Yep. (FWIW, I consider the Inquisition to have been a program of human sacrifice to propitiate Yahweh; wars are orgies of human sacrifice)

    Child rape? Yep. (And quite recently, too: e.g., among Catholic clergy and Ultra-orthodox rabbis)

    Slavery? Yep. (Ongoing: if a person’s productivity is taken coercively and he has no legally-enshrined right to resist, that person is a slave; more so if that person can also be told what he can and can’t ingest, and forced to kill and die for a cause that is not his own).

    And let’s stipulate: the moment a society develops capital goods, ‘chattel’ slavery gets out-competed, because it is inefficient.

    It’s actually inefficient a priori: there is abundant evidence that slave productivity is lower than free-labour productivity – and the gap is significantly wider than the wage differential. This is made worse because of the cost of keeping slaves – including security – which are higher than the costs of keeping free labour.

    That is why only primitive, capital-poor, technologically undeveloped societies ‘do’ slavery, and where it persists is in low-margin enterprises where the people running the enterprise are idiots.

    • Replies: @Counterinsurgency
  28. @Thomm

    “Sounds like her job should be eliminated by Artificial Intelligence.”

    And by artificial intelligence you certainly mean the hordes of unwashed invasive hindjoos like you.

    Thanks for self identifying, Shiva!

    • Replies: @Thomm
  29. It’s political dissolution and the creation of real nations–ethnostates–from the imperial rubble or it’s demographic overrun. There are no other peaceful alternatives.

    Who gets the nukes?

    When the English tell the Scottish scamps to go phuck off, and it comes time to kill the United Kingdom, to what lengths are the English willing to go to make sure the Scottish scoundrels don’t try to keep both the remaining oil and the Trident SLBM nukes?

    Will the US military have to tell the Scottish apes to unhand the nukes? Does the British government, at this very moment, possess the power to use the Trident SLBM nukes without getting authorization from the US military?

    Who gets the electronics and the satellites and all that jazz?

    I think the next portion of the global financial implosion will see the perfect time for mass deportations. The French and the Germans and the Italians and the English could very easily remove the non-European populations now infesting their nations.

    The United States could be brought to back under 275 million in population by removing 50 million or so recent interlopers — whether or not they are citizens or have legal status won’t make much difference when the European Christian ancestral core of the United States decides that enough is enough.

    The ruling class treasonites must be dislodged and removed from power in most European Christian nations too. The globalizer ruling class rats who push mass immigration, globalization and mass immigration must be sent into involuntary exile in sub-Saharan Africa. This is after they have been financially liquidated, of course.

    Our mutual friend, Max Fisher, has written a bit where he basically says that Patriotic White Nationalist Populism is running out of gas — both in Europe and the United States. I think Max Fisher knows the WASP/JEW ruling class in the United States is heading for the boneyard and Max Fisher is whistling past the graveyard.

    Once more unto the monetary policy:

    If the economy is booming, why can’t the Fed raise the federal funds rate to the normal level of 6 percent?

    The answer is because we don’t have an economy, we just have asset bubbles, and just about every nation is in the same boat with monetary extremism running amok.

  30. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:
    @Diversity Heretic

    It’s called the Monroe Doctrine. Also during the Cold War, there were proxy wars between Soviet backed and US backed groups in South America.

  31. 216 says:
    @Thomm

    2006 was a good year for the Dems, in many respects even better than any year they’ve had since.

    I’m not sure what anyone was thinking nominating a sportsballer as a candidate for Governor in PA. It seems like the Rs recognized that the incumbent was not beatable.

    Blackwell in Ohio was a free-market fundamentalist and an actual fundamentalist on top of that. He’d been elected to a lower state office three times, beating a black Dem in ’98 (presumably not among black voters). By 2006, almost every GOP politician in Ohio was under some kind of corruption allegations, and Blackwell was no different. That’s how Kasich made his comeback in 2010, all of his intra-party rivals had been destroyed.

    Steele lost by 10 points for an open Senate seat in MD, the best result the GOP has had there in aeons. The man is worthless, but in an average year he might have won.

    The GOP rarely nominates black candidates outside of Black VRA districts where they won’t win in any case. This is not surprising as blacks are <2% of the GOP's electorate. But blacks view the lack of black GOP candidates as "disrespect", recall that even the average white person is rather clueless about party primaries and thinks candidates are still selected in smoke-filled rooms.

    An NRCC and NRSC that operated like a Westminister Party could force old white incumbents to retire and "parachute" in women/non-whites. But we have a campaign finance system that relies on donors, and particularly on self-funding businessmen. There aren't a lot of wealthy black Republicans willing to cough up a couple million to run for Congress in a D+5 seat.

    • Replies: @216
  32. indocon says:
    @Tyrion 2

    I think this is simply because of the lack of open space relatively speaking in UK, compared to the size of homes we live in here, people over there live in shacks. Also I imagine the relatively high level of aggressiveness of UK Muslims is starting too scare the Indian and Caribbeans who don’t like the idea of living in a caliphate, when you can have Mohammed the mayor of London, its not abstract anymore.

  33. @216

    There are some lessons for our movements and people to be learned from the Haredi. A higher TFR comes at a price, but in 100 years there will still be Haredi.

    The “lessons… to be learned” from the Haredim are those that quite a few of the HBDers in this thread mention with regard to US blacks:

    fuck high school (Only ~13% of Haredi males finish high school);
    get on welfare and keep sticking your hand out.

    Anybody who thinks that welfare dependency is a problem in black areas of gutted former-industrial America (e.g., Detroit, Baltimore)… those folks need to take a look at some stats for the ultra-Orthodox in Occupied Palestine. (Or look at them for your own backyard – their level of tax-dependency will be very very similar… Deus Vult, or Baruch Hashem, or some other shit).

    The labour force participation rate for Haredi moochers hovers around 50% – and it’s only 50% when handouts for yeshiva students, and Haredi-only subsidised jobs, are counted as ’employment’. Overall welfare dependency rates are ~60%ish.

    (In 2002, the labour-force participation rate for Haredi men was 35% – far lower than the ‘dindu’ classes that HBDers mewl about).

    So why would you not be happy if you were Haredi? You get to have the lifestyle of a ghetto black (stay ignorant, get paid); be as racist as fuck… and if anyone complains they’re Amalek.

    It’s about the only group of welfare moochers who is completely inoculated against societal disapproval; they’re getting ‘gibs’, paid by the taxpayer, in exchange for wearing stupid hats, tying boxes to their heads, and rocking like a mental patient muttering gibberish to a pre-Bronze-Age Canaanite storm god.

    Why are the words “unemployment” or “welfare” or “dependence” completely absent from the story you lined to?

    Professor and economist at Tel-Aviv University Dan Ben-David (interviewed in the Reuters article), when asked to comment on the amount of taxpayer money used to fund subsidies and child allowances for the Haredim, alleged that “the true amount is concealed, veiled in misleading budget definitions. We are shocked each time we get an inkling of its magnitude, but it has to be huge if it allows one of the highest unemployment rates in the Western world.” – from “Ultra-Orthodox Jews, unemployment rates, and the Occupied-Palestine[1] economy

    [1] The actual story uses a different word to “Occupied Palestine”: just as ‘they’ replace ‘Palestine’ with ‘Eretz Yisroel’ in Hebrew renditions of historical works, so I replace ‘their’ terminology when discussing the land ‘they’ invaded in 1948. It’s only fair…

    • Replies: @216
  34. Thomm says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    Why would anyone care what a gay pizza delivery truck driver like you thinks? Plus, you admitted that you can’t survive in a free market and need to be part of a corrupt ‘Union’ like the Teamsters (which is another homo tell, btw).

    Could you *be* more pathetic? How often do you ‘grease the unions’, faggot?

    Now get off my lawn, you stupid wigger!

    On second thought, stay there for a second, while I got get my Desert Eagle, so I can pick you off like the varmint that you are.

    Heh heh heh heh

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
  35. @Anonymous

    Yeah nah. That map is wrong, thoroughly so.

    The USA will divide north by south, mostly.

    1. Mestizoland: California, Nevada, Arizona, Colorado New Mexico, Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas
    2. New World Africa: Arkansas, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, Florida
    3. Globalistland: Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Connecticut, New York City, Long Island, New Jersey, Delaware, Maryland, Coastal Virginia
    4. New Canada: Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, western NY, western PA, Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont
    5. White USA: Washington, Oregon, Idaho, Utah, Montana, Wyoming, North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska

    It remains to be seen to what new country the remaining unnamed states go.

  36. 216 says:
    @216

    Michigan 2018 is the most recent case where a black Rep was running against a white Dem for either Governor or Senator.

    The black GOP candidate for Senate outperformed the white GOP candidate for Governor by about 2 points. About 80,000 votes statewide. Blacks in Michigan are said to be particularly angry at the outgoing GOP Governor for the Flint Water crisis. Gennessee County voted (41%) Senate, (36%) Governor. 2018 was a bad year for the GOP.

    In 2014, a good year for the GOP, the candidate for Senate received 30% in Gennessee County. The easy explanation here is that Flint is depopulated, and a lot of the anger at the water problems is from people outside of the city.

    The incumbent Dem Senator did not expect a serious challenge, so I won’t echo the Magapede praising of James. His effect on his co-ethnics was limited, the extra votes he got compared to the votes for Governor were likely the result of moderates of other races that liked him as a “political newcomer”. The GOP candidates for OH, PA and WI all had much stronger experience, but delivered the same losses but with far more expenditure.

  37. 216 says:
    @Kratoklastes

    I link from an Arab publication and your reaction is to treat me as a Zionist shill?

    All told, the average expenditure for an ultra-Orthodox household is 12% lower than the average expenditure for a non-ultra-Orthodox Jewish household, even though the number of family members is greater, according to the report’s findings. If measured according to monthly expenditure per person, the gap is much greater: 3,350 NIS ($890) per person in an ultra-Orthodox family compared to 6,450 NIS ($1,700) per person in a non-Orthodox family.
    The relatively closed ultra-Orthodox community maintains an especially high degree of community support, which includes high levels of volunteerism and donations, mutual aid, care for the needy and a variety of frameworks for economic support. The system of donations and loans in the community includes various charity associations, which are community banks of a sort that do not charge interest or fees and in effect prop up the economy of ultra-Orthodox households.
    The data on satisfaction can also in part be explained by the ultra-Orthodox community’s religious way of life, which does not cherish money or economic status. Instead, its members live in the spirit of a saying from the Jewish textual tradition: “Who is rich? He who is happy in his lot” (Mishna, Pirkei Avot 4).

    Do you want these people (and their far worse secular cousins) back in the West? As if the Arabs will just consent to scattering them back across Muslim lands?

    • Replies: @Kratoklastes
  38. @Charles Pewitt

    European Christian ancestral core of the United States

    Hilarious – worthy of Tiny Duck.

    How far back are you casting your net? When does your clock start?

    I only ask because I’m reasonably sure that your vaunted ‘European Christians’ would have been significantly outnumbered by Redskins at the time of the ratification of the US Constitution.

    For those playing at home:

    • the population of the United States was ~3.9 million in 1790 (and 680,000 of those wuz kangz) – see the 1790 US Census);
    • it’s actually quite hard to get a firm estimate of the 1790 ‘Native American’ population for the current boundaries of the US – and such estimates as exist, are significantly reduced relative to the ‘state of nature’ because the demographics were (ahem) significantly affected by the fact that a fucking shitload of them were deadded during European theft of their land (e.g., between 1677 and 1765, the Native population of Illinois was slaughtered downwards – from ~11,000 to 300 – by your ‘European Christians‘).

    Such numbers as we have for the (feather) Indians, are pretty rubbery – but a number of around 5 million for the entire land mass, seems pretty conservative if Illinois was able to support 11,000 until your European Christians started killing them (man, woman and child, just like the Good Book says).

    Somehow, your mind tells you that the druthers of 3.2 million invaders plus anchor-babies, gets a big thmbs up over the ~5 million (at a minimum) folks who were already in situ?

    Well then! By your logic, majority doesn’t matter: what matters is power.

    So applying that same logic to Current Year, non-Exceptional (non-‘European Christian’) invaders plus anchor-babies get their druthers, and rightfully so, if they have the social power to do so.

    Or are you just picking and choosing whose rights get to be ignored? Sounds to me like you are.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
  39. El Dato says:

    Libertarians deserve that grief

    > Links to some random tweet by Excited Anne instead of an explanation

    FFS.

  40. @Kratoklastes

    First, I agree with your points. Slavery persists mainly in low income countries. Slavery vanished from Caribbean and South American tropical products starting after the French Revolution and ending in 1888. (But see Wikipedia article _slavery in the united states_.)

    However, that’s a lot of countries.

    https://www.freetheslaves.net/our-model-for-freedom/slavery-today/

    Slavery is only bad historically, it seems. If you have an effectively infinite number of cheap slaves (90 $/slave is mentioned) and a complex task (picking fruit, sex slave) and the slaves would otherwise produce no economic output whatsoever, and there _isn’t_ any free labor, well, slavery seems to work. It can even be defended on humanitarian grounds as better than letting the slaves starve.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contemporary_slavery

    To say that the North should not have invaded the South to end slavery is to hear accusations of racism. To say that the US should invade Mauritania to end slavery is also to hear accusations of racism (and perhaps talk of a sanity hearing).

    Nobody cares. For a good description of this sort of social situation, see Heller’s _Catch 22_, search for “tight bomb patterns” and “mountain pass”.

    Counterinsurgency

    • Replies: @Kratoklastes
  41. @Charles Pewitt

    Who gets the nukes?

    Heck, set them off in place and save some shipping.

    If that’s the alternative, I’d imagine most States would let the nukes be removed.

    Counterinsurgency

  42. Okechukwu says:

    Because your typical anti-immigrationist tends also to harbor a visceral hatred of black people. They’re not going to make common cause with their enemies.

    Black people aren’t pro-immigration, they’re just inimical to the overarching agenda of anti-immigration forces. It’s a question of choosing the lesser of two evils.

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
    , @216
    , @Bill
  43. @216

    I certainly wasn’t trying to ‘treat [you] as a Zionist shill‘ – it just struck me that the article you posted was ridiculously slanted in that it tried to pretend that it was inexplicable to obsertve the joint existence of poverty and happiness in the Haredi (even as measured by surveys in which people always lie).

    Do you want these people (and their far worse secular cousins) back in the West?

    They wouldn’t come back to ‘the West’; they would return to Eastern Europe – Moldova, Lithuania, Belarus, Eastern Ukraine, and parts of Eastern Poland… you know, as far East as Herzl and Co had to travel before they met a rabbi ignorant enough to give theological support to their Judenstaat schtick.

    The birthplace of Chabad is Lubawicze (formerly in Poland/Lithuania, now in the Smolensk Oblast of Russia); the birthplace of Hasidism is Ukraine.

    Haredi Judaism is a specifically Eastern European phenomenon, which is why they behave like gypsies.

    As for the non-Haredi post-WWII invaders (and their anchor babies): most of them are atheists; again, the vast bulk of them originated in Eastern Europe.

    And to the extent that some of them originated in the West: well, the Western economic system is perfectly capable of re-absorbing low-productivity labour, so if we spread a couple of million low-IQ folks across the billion or so in the West, no drama.

    To paraphrase Sassoon (in his terrific introductory comments during the book launch for Shlomo Sand’s “The Invention of the Land of Israel“): No Jew with any alternative had any desire to go to Palestine.

    During the large-scale Jewish migrations after WWII, the rich ones went to Switzerland; the poor ones went to Argentina; those with relatives in the US and France went there if they could. Only those who couldn’t go anywhere better, went to Palestine. There was certainly no reflexive desire to do so.

    The best bit of his comments start at about 12:30 in that video, but everything from 10:00 onwards.

  44. @Counterinsurgency

    To say that the North should not have invaded the South to end slavery is to hear accusations of racism. To say that the US should invade Mauritania to end slavery is also to hear accusations of racism (and perhaps talk of a sanity hearing).

    Just a couple of points: whether or not a conclusion results in ‘accusations of racism’ shouldn’t be a criterion unless the accusations have actual argumentative merit. I’ve been accused of racism more often than I’ve been accused of anything (including sexism and antisemitism), and once or twice the accusation actually had a point – but not enough of a point to make me change my mind.

    I’m certain you don’t believe that the North “invaded the South to end slavery”.

    My view is that the North should not have invaded the lawfully-inaugurated, sovereign nation of the Confederate States of America on the fabricated basis that the Constitution was a ‘perpetual, indissoluble Union’.

    Anyone who mentions slavery as the casus belli, reveals their indoctrination and ignorance of history (unless they’re using it rhetorically, as I think you were doing).

    And in my framework, the US should not invade Mauritania to end slavery (assuming it exists there): the US should use economic leverage to force[1] Mauritania to release any US citizens held in slavery in Mauritania, and to make the costs of slavery higher and force Mauritania to change its mind.

    And that should be it – if only to prevent the inevitable slaughter of (non-slave-owning) civilians that has been a permanent feature of US war (upwards of 90% of casualties in war are civilians; this is exacerbated by the US/NATO habit of bombing electrical, telecommunications, water and sewage infrastructure in the first 100 sorties – which leads to a foreseeable increase in water-borne disease; in other words it specifically targets babies and the elderly).

    Also, I hold that invasions are never undertaken to further actual moral agendas; even the Anschluss and the attempt to re-integrate the Danzig Corridor were primarily motivated by things other than establishing a Germanophone superstate and the mistreatment of Germans in Poland.

    War is a Racket; always and everywhere, and it’s at its most lucrative when it’s being pursued under the false flag of virtue.

    [1] ‘force’ here is pushing the problem one step back: if diplomacy and BDS doesn’t work, do they then get to invade? Well, there has to be a test of proportionality and a risk-reward calculation – including the risk that once the bombing starts, the Mauritanians just start executing US citizens held in slavery in Mauritania.

    • Replies: @Counterinsurgency
  45. @Kratoklastes

    Well then! By your logic, majority doesn’t matter: what matters is power.

    You’re just now finding this out?

    If you don’t hold, somebody else will take. Real simple.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @Kratoklastes
  46. @Okechukwu

    “Because your typical anti-immigrationist tends also to harbor a visceral hatred of black people.”

    Definitely an early contender for 2019 Straw Man of the Year.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  47. 216 says:
    @Okechukwu

    You aren’t wrong here. Though you give blacks too much credit for having a nuanced political stance. It is far easier to just claim that blacks are just anti-white, in terms of letting conservatives exercise self-determination.

    Being “inimical to the overarching agenda” has another word to describe it…treasonous.

    Your envy will bear only rotten fruit.

    • Replies: @Okechukwu
  48. Okechukwu says:
    @216

    Though you give blacks too much credit for having a nuanced political stance.

    Actually, the average black voter is more engaged with the issues and more informed than the typical so-called white working class voter. These are the archetypal low-information voters. It’s a major flaw in American democracy that from time to time will burden us with thoroughly unfit morons like Trump.

    Being “inimical to the overarching agenda” has another word to describe it…treasonous

    To oppose Nazism is the highest act of patriotism. Alt-rightism is treasonous ideology, which is why its adherents will be put down ruthlessly and mercilessly if they ever gather up the courage to lay down their keyboards and take direct insurrectionist action.

    Your envy will bear only rotten fruit.

    What envy?

    • Replies: @Counterinsurgency
    , @216
  49. Anon7 says:

    I wonder if there’s any data about black men versus black women. According to Chris Rock, when it comes to women, black men want to see the entire menu. South American, Asian, Indian – and then they want to know if you have any specials.

  50. @niteranger

    Obama has taught them to hate Whitey so much even if it’s to their own detriment.

    Obama didn’t teach them shit. They imbibe honkie hate with their government funded similac. They’re marinated in malice for us before they can fail to learn to read or speak English.

  51. @Thomm

    My (a), (b), and (c) were not in any particular order on that comment, Thomm. In the cases of these rare black GOP candidates, (c) trumps (b).

  52. @MikeatMikedotMike

    Definitely an early contender for 2019 Straw Man of the Year.

    Okie-Dokie here has already won the brown border, 1st day of the new year, in fact.

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
  53. Mitleser says:
    @Sean

    The existence of foreign countries does not matter here.

    USA did fall apart for a few years despite the existence of the British Empire and did not dissolve after the end of the USSR.

    • Replies: @Sean
  54. @Kratoklastes

    Right you are! The “Slavery” issue is utterly phony. Nobody wants to do much about it now, _except_ condemn the US Southeast extension of the Caribbean/South American tropical products economy for its use of slaves, and through them the entire United States. And nobody calls them on it! Its a farce.

    Certainly people sign up in the military for moral reasons. There may well be a time when morality truly did motivate initiation of wars, but if so that time was before the 30 Years War ended, before AD 1648.

    My point is that if it was a moral necessity to invade the Confederacy to end slavery during the Civil War, it’s a moral necessity to invade Mauritania to end slavery _now_ . And vice versa. Since it isn’t moral necessity to invade Mauritania now ( I mean, we could but we don’t, so clearly we don’t think it’s necessary), it wasn’t morally necessary to invade the Confederacy then. Simple logic. The “slavery is the original sin of America” is so much hot air.

    Counterinsurgency.

  55. Seems simple to me. Mexican laborers usually carry cash, and blacks know this and pounce on them, usually on Fridays. Chinese however are known not to carry cash, and this upsets blacks so much that they write rap songs complaining about it. This all boils down to easy prey. A lion would vote in favor of importing more gazelles. Mexicans are the gazelles and probably won’t go to the cops. Therefore, bring ’em in!

  56. @Felix....

    It is interesting to think that the (near) abolition of slavery worldwide may be a historical deviancy that ends up lasting three or four centuries before returning. As institutional decay continues all over the West, it will start springing up organically all over the place. The odd story here and there about some third-worlder with a slave or two in the West will become much more common.

  57. @obwandiyag

    Public polling in the US rarely ever breaks down responses for American Indians. Even polls with the requisite sample sizes, like R-I, don’t do it. But as far as partisan identification goes, American Indians are very heavily Democrat so I doubt they are opposed to opening up the borders. Comanche’s revenge!

  58. @Anon

    From the perspective of most black Americans, welfare money may as well fall from the sky. They don’t pay taxes and are the beneficiaries of all kinds of benefits. Why not gain more political allies to ensure the manna keeps raining down?

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
    , @The Alarmist
  59. @krustykurmudgeon

    I hear a lot of anecdotes from people about the alleged hatred between blacks and Hispanics on the ground. It’s not especially important, but I’ve interacted with more of both than most on our side of things–I spent several nights a week through my teens and twenties playing basketball at a section 8 housing complex (yes, the complex had two indoor basketball courts for residential use–it’s hard to make this stuff up). Hispanics past the first generation largely assimilate to black cultural norms.

  60. @Thomm

    As I said before, you do not think before you vomit here. AI would eliminate a lot of low end jobs. Yes that includes garden variety programming. Which means the hinjew gravy sambar train from Hyderabad would then come to a screeching halt (if we get lucky) or it certainly would come to a crawl either way.

    Unless of course the hinjew project managers would be able to hoodwink the tech (((elites))) into a few more years of “talent” moving in to, you know, “program” those AI “machines” 😉

    So you better delay the onslaught of AI as much as you can, “Thomm”. Your H1B brothers might need it a few more years hoodwinking whitey to make India great again

    • Replies: @Thomm
  61. @indocon

    Steve Sailer suggests doing everything possible to portray the Democrat party as the black party rather than allowing the Democrat party to define itself as the non-white party. Politically, he’s surely onto something. Of course Republicans never take his advice–we call the GOP the stupid party for a reason!

  62. @Anonymous

    Heh is this serious? The “Central North-American Republic” has a larger economy and larger population than Canada, and would presumably have nuclear weapons to boot. Additionally, it may even have a whiter population than Canada at the rate things are going. Why would it be dominated by Canada?

    Similarly, Russia would be utterly unable–and probably unwilling to even try–to dominate any of these four countries.

    The Chinese model isn’t to conquer, it’s to economically exploit. The Chinese aren’t even going to conquer Africa–they’re sure as hell not going to try to take over a European country.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Stan d Mute
  63. @Futurethirdworlder

    It’s around 60% of eligible voters, very close to the white rate (and thus impressively high given their low mean IQ). Hispanics and Asians are around 40%–and that’s eligible voters, not illegal invaders. Blacks are electorally extremely powerful–they have literally determined the last two Democrat nominees. Without blacks, Hillary would’ve smashed Obama in 2008. Likewise without blacks, Bernie Sanders would’ve beaten Hillary. Blacks make up close to 25% of the Democrat primary electorate and they vote nearly monolithically. That’s a lot of power.

    • Replies: @Futurethirdworlder
  64. 216 says:
    @Okechukwu

    Actually, the average black voter is more engaged with the issues and more informed than the typical so-called white working class voter. These are the archetypal low-information voters. It’s a major flaw in American democracy that from time to time will burden us with thoroughly unfit morons like Trump.

    If only the other leftists were as honest as you are!

    It’s not often I get someone to admit they believe we should not be allowed self-determination but you did it.

    I suppose we are just the latest round of barbarians obstructing the march of progress.

    But that makes you no different than a colonizer.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @Okechukwu
  65. @Audacious Epigone

    “Actually, the average black voter is more engaged with the issues and more informed than the typical so-called white working class voter. ”

    This is a quote from the person you replied to. It truly baffles me that when someone makes a comment this egregious, this monumentally stupid and or dishonest, that anyone bothers to engage with him it all. But yet comments like it will draw several serious replies from other commenters (216 actually said he wasn’t wrong about whites’ “visceral hatred” for blacks!) who seem to me at least to be fairly bright and who I would trust to be able to spot the more obvious trolling provocateurs.

    Please AE, don’t feed them!!!

    • Replies: @216
    , @Okechukwu
  66. @Thomm

    Over the long term, you’re probably right. However, blacks punch *way* above their weight electorally, while Hispanics and Asians punch below their own. Consequently, blacks are the Democrat kingmakers at the national level. This shows up in the representatives themselves as well. Even though there are several million more Hispanics in the country now than blacks, the 2018 Congress has 38 Hispanics compared to 49 blacks.

    • Replies: @Thomm
    , @Hypnotoad666
  67. 216 says:

    https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/oijdv5i5r9/econTabReport.pdf

    YouGov 12/30-1/1

    Question 4: Legal Immigration

    33: No Change
    26: Increase
    26: Decrease

    White
    29: Decrease
    13: Not Sure (low information)

    Black
    14: Decrease
    24: Not sure (better informed, lol)

    Millennials
    32: Increase

    Boomers
    38: No change

  68. @Achmed E. Newman

    What does it mean when a comment is bordered like that anyway? I’ve seen yellow/gold looking ones as well?

  69. Thomm says:
    @LostHopeless

    I responded to you already over here, you 70-IQ wigger :

    http://www.unz.com/runz/an-open-letter-to-the-alt-right-and-others/#comment-2728750

    For all further questions, just refer to the text above.

    The funny thing is, there are many Indian commenters here (Art Deco, rec1man, Indocon, Malla, Talha, etc.). Yet you are so stupid that you avoid them, and then obsess over a person who is obviously not Indian (to anyone with an IQ over 70, at least).

    Get off my lawn, faggot!

    Heh heh heh heh

    • Replies: @LostHopeless
  70. @Charles Pewitt

    The chance that one nation from the imperial wreckage will nuke another is about as high as Britain nuking Germany. White countries are never going to war with one another again. The closest will get are the skirmishes in poor eastern European countries, but those are on the decline, too.

    • Replies: @byrresheim
  71. anon[355] • Disclaimer says:
    @obwandiyag

    Settlement and immigration are two different things. Something your tiny brain cannot grasp.

  72. Thomm says:
    @Audacious Epigone

    Over the long term, you’re probably right. However, blacks punch *way* above their weight electorally, while Hispanics and Asians punch below their own.

    This is due to cumulative person-years of presence. That is why blacks have an extremely advanced political apparatus, while Hispanics and certainly Asians do not. Many Hispanics are foreign-born so mostly apolitical, and many 2nd-gen ones are still under 18.

    This math of cumulative person-years of presence can change quickly, though (as Ron Unz writes about in CA, where blacks have a weak cumulative person-years of presence relative to Hispanics).

    I predict that the reduction of black power relative to Hispanics, while not imminent, will be very sudden when it happens.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
  73. @El Dato

    Heh, it was Ann responding to one of my tweets. I’m shameless, I know, but at least I was (fairly) subtle about it!

  74. Okechukwu says:
    @216

    It’s not often I get someone to admit they believe we should not be allowed self-determination but you did it.

    You can have all the self-determination you want. Just don’t try to deny others of the same. Capiche?

    • Replies: @216
  75. 216 says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    Okechukwu is wrong on the facts (though not on the data, excepting the “better engaged” claim, which in any case is more a value judgement than a statement of fact). But he is right wrt to the perspective that blacks have on white identity politics.

    It’s quite common to hear conservatives claim in a moment of lucidity that blacks should “shut up and be grateful”. I agree with this, but I’m not dense enough to deny that it is inflammatory. Any white conservative that criticizes anything black is “punching down” and tends to trigger tribal unity among blacks. Most Conservatives are tone-deaf when it comes to black concerns, and blacks will (wrongly) interpret this as “visceral hatred”.

    I don’t see him as a troll, because he isn’t subversive about his intent. You can never pin down what exactly Corvinus believes, and he only sidetracks discussions. Okechukwu is a Nigerian colonizer who thinks he’s exacting cosmic justice against evil stupid whites.

  76. 216 says:
    @Okechukwu

    I don’t believe that for a second. My people are the only demographic in the country that actually believes in representative government. Ethnic bloc voting is antithetical to the republic, and all other groups than whites repeatedly engage in it.

    You already claimed that you would be gleeful at us being militarily suppressed. Allowing us anything is too extreme for you, else the Nazi ghosts come out of the attic.

    Do you ever shame tribalism in your own people? I strongly doubt you’re the keynote speaker at any GOP meetings.

    • Replies: @Okechukwu
  77. Okechukwu says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    This is a quote from the person you replied to. It truly baffles me that when someone makes a comment this egregious, this monumentally stupid and or dishonest, that anyone bothers to engage with him it all.

    My reference was to white working class voters, who are universally regarded as stupid, ignorant and uninformed. So much so that they routinely vote for any demagogue who waves a shiny object in front of them, often voting against their own interests. These are the kind of people that can’t even locate their own state on a map of the United States, nevermind deciphering the intricacies of the economy or foreign policy. Based on the tone and tenor of your comments, you appear to be one of them.

    There’s a reason why white working class voters are segregated in the political lexicon from other white constituencies. College educated whites, for example, are generally more engaged and more informed. Similarly, black voters are more engaged and more informed. Blacks are not satisfied and complacent like many whites are. They fought long and hard for the vote so they don’t take if for granted or minimize its importance. Effecting change or redressing grievances via the ballot box is an important time-honored motif in the black community.

  78. 216 says:
    @Okechukwu

    Two party competition exists in Appalachia. A VRA black district has not sent a Republican to the House since 2008 when the incumbent was convicted of corruption but still managed to get 49% of the vote.

    Perhaps there is some logic to sending the same Congressman every two years, but tying your fortunes to one party is illogical. The ethanol swindle keeps going because white Iowans actually believe in representative government and vote for both parties. Black politcs is rule or ruin.

    Blacks are not satisfied and complacent like many whites are. They fought long and hard for the vote so they don’t take if for granted or minimize its importance.

    Look out, its Black Bill Kristol!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index#/media/File:EIU_Democracy_Index_2017.svg

    I count six green countries on the continent of Africa, three of which have never seen a peaceful transition of power.

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
    , @Truth
  79. Okechukwu says:
    @216

    I don’t believe that for a second. My people are the only demographic in the country that actually believes in representative government. Ethnic bloc voting is antithetical to the republic, and all other groups than whites repeatedly engage in it.

    Many whites do indeed engage in ethnic bloc voting when a non-white candidate is on the ballot. Many whites will vote reflexively for the white candidate, regardless of the issues.

    On the other hand, blacks do not engage in ethnic bloc voting in terms of race, only in terms of the issues. A black Republican presidential nominee shouldn’t expect to receive more than 10% of the black vote (as is the norm). They’ll vote instead for his white Democratic opponent.

    You already claimed that you would be gleeful at us being militarily suppressed. Allowing us anything is too extreme for you, else the Nazi ghosts come out of the attic.

    I said alt-right Nazis would be suppressed. You’re not suggesting that these people represent whites broadly, are you? In fact most whites want nothing to do with them. Indeed it would be other whites that would suppress them.

  80. @216

    So you see what I mean, correct? That reply he made to me is one of the most backward, fantasy driven pieces of projection I have ever read.

    Not to sound like Elite Commie, but I actually laughed out loud when he mentioned my tone and tenor. LOL

  81. 216 says:

    MS, AR and AL each sent three Dems to the House in 2008. Lots of rural Dems on that map. Not anymore, because the Dems are anti-white, but no GOP pol except Steve King and Mo Brooks have ever publicly said that.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_United_States_House_of_Representatives_elections#/media/File:2008_House_elections.svg

    Whites only gave DeSantis 60% in Florida, that isn’t block voting, especially against a virulently anti-white black candidate. Whites outside of AL or MS rarely stack up the 3/4ths+ amounts for the Dems that non-whites do.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/elections/2018/florida/governor/exit-poll/

    Any expression of tribalism on our part is altruistically punished by many whites, and subversively punished by Jews and others. Black tribalism is only contained when it hurts Dem electoral prospects.

  82. @Thulean Friend

    An ethnostate is a laudable long-term goal, but it can only happen once you reach a critical mass of white people first.

    True enough, but a tad complicated by the fact that whites are running pell-mell away from that ‘critical mass’ virtually everywhere on earth now.

    This is the internet, so one has to explain obvious things: I don’t mean they’re running physically. I mean the trend is against them, almost everywhere, and with a vengeance.

    A ‘critical mass’ of white people will be (at most) an historical anecdote well within the lifetimes of those now living.

  83. @Audacious Epigone

    You win the gold box today, sir. Oh, wait, I don’t have that power. (I assume you do. Use the gold force wisely.)

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
  84. @Audacious Epigone

    He doesn’t mean that.

    This is within blockquotes, A.E.
    (along with my italics)

    What Mike-at-Mike-dot-Mike means is the gold border around the whole comment that can be put around whatever the comment the moderator* decides is a really good one. This should have been in your unz-blogger training materials. ;-}

    For Mike, in reply to you, that brown one was just a MS-paint-job. I’ve done a couple of red ones for the Commies now and then, but those are not the real deal, as I just embedded pictures that I made with said borders. I hope it doesn’t bother Mr. Unz, my doing this – feels like I’m pushing my luck! If I hear otherwise, I’ll quit that. (It’s getting old anyway.)

    .

    * I could be wrong in that maybe only Ron Unz has the ability(?).

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
  85. @jim jones

    A female friend is on Maternity Leave and had no idea where the money for this comes from until I told her it was the taxpayer. She still partly believes that her company pays her to sit around watching TV just because she is so wonderful.

    Mass-media narratives have it that women are performing a much-needed public service by spreading their legs for whatever troglodyte happens along. Extra points, of course, if said trog is a POC. Women see the preggers gibsme as a well-earned entitlement.

    Where does the money come from?
    Where all money comes from, doofus. The Money Tree.

  86. @Thomm

    Why would anyone care what a gay pizza delivery truck driver like you thinks?

    Could you *be* more pathetic? How often do you ‘grease the unions’, faggot?

    This one is so classy with his language that you just know he’s a Brahmin.

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
  87. @216

    It’s quite common to hear conservatives claim in a moment of lucidity that blacks should “shut up and be grateful”.

    If by ‘quite common’ you mean ‘virtually unheard of’ you’re on-target here.

    If I’m wrong, note that you used quotes and should have no trouble posting many examples.

    • Replies: @216
  88. @216

    “excepting the “better engaged” claim, which in any case is more a value judgement than a statement of fact”

    No, it is a opinion based upon stereotypes he has built reading or being lectured to about both blacks and “rural” whites in the US, probably without actually having interacted with either group (if he is what you say he is).

    “It’s quite common to hear conservatives claim in a moment of lucidity that blacks should “shut up and be grateful”. I agree with this, but I’m not dense enough to deny that it is inflammatory. Any white conservative that criticizes anything black is “punching down” and tends to trigger tribal unity among blacks. Most Conservatives are tone-deaf when it comes to black concerns, and blacks will (wrongly) interpret this as “visceral hatred”.”

    I’m sorry but this is deflection. What is and isn’t inflammatory depends on an ever sliding scale, depending on the social grievance value assigned to the inflammer as well as the inflammed. (see the Starbucks incident from last year) Whites, conservative or otherwise, do not hate blacks. The statement he made was delivered as objective fact, not as subjective interpretation. BTW who is less tone deaf to black concerns anyway? Certainly not blacks, based upon any measure I have seen. In fact blacks as a group cannot readily identify their own true concerns. Don’t agree? Allow me to refer you to Baltimore.

    Whites, admittedly or not, have negro fatigue, and primarily desire to not have to live near blacks and all the societal baggage that follows them. This is not visceral hatred. This is a function of survival.

    “I don’t see him as a troll, because he isn’t subversive about his intent. ”

    He is not a person here seeking knowledge or perspective. He is here to inflame. Like Thomm, he makes wildly idiotic statements with no reference to empirical or even anecdotal evidence. IOW, a troll. I suggest you not waste your time with him. 🙂

    • Replies: @216
  89. @Thomm

    Malla is a self identified non Brahmin Indian (with an apparent visceral hatred for Indian phonies like yourself who seem to have become a menace to the native Indian population in Singapore, disturbing the demographic balance there)

    Talha is a self identified Pakistani

    rec1man is a self evident Brahmin, of the tamil variety, and he is open and honest about it.

    As for Indo’CON’, well the name says it all doesn’t it 😛

    JohnnyWalker 123 is yet another Indian [dot] which is obvious to anyone who reads him and he doesn’t hide it either. He spoke at length about how well those Indians are doing in Singapore (ignoring the seething undercurrent within the native Chinese as well as the local Indians that it is generating who are being slowly dispossessed).

    I dunno abt those other commentators you pointed out besides the ones above, but I’m sure none of them are phonies like you and none of them are ever so keen to massively increase legal immigration aka import more self aggrandizing passive aggressive code monkeys and con-men from India to lower the already low trust quotient of this country. I can live with them as long as they don’t chain migrate their relatives here.

    You on the other hand would make for a great spokesman for immigration voice, an aggressive lobbying group which, just like you, favors massively increasing legal immigration, especially from India, to disposes us here in our own country. Perhaps your day job is already with them? Who knows 😉 ??

    • Replies: @Thomm
  90. @Mr McKenna

    Isn’t it funny how I’m the WN wigger, but Thomm’s the one who can’t make a sentence without some sort of 3rd grade level slur?

    His replies are all so disappointingly the same, although he has started recently threatening to shoot me, which is new for him. LOL Other than that, no creativity, just reflexive lashing out, like a feral cat trapped in a corner.

  91. @indocon

    With ~40% of whites turning out to be extremely difficult to get for your side, I think the only viable option left to keep the country whole is to keep the gates of whitey club wide open to hispanics and asians who want to join in, make them think about this is a binary choice

    Aka make sure the cuckservatives keep the gates “wide” open to immigration from India and China isn’t it? So you and your brethren can keep the gravy train running at the behest of our best and brightest. And if we end up becoming serfs in our own country with you at the top, that’ll be the icing on the cake isn’t it?? IMMIGRATION MORATORIUM NOW. Illegal AND legal

    If that cannot be done, as AE suggested, a divorce between the citizenry is the ONLY viable option in town. You can have california, WA, OR, NY and the eastern seaboard states

    • Replies: @indocon
  92. Anthony says:

    Blacks don’t support a wall, because they won’t be the ones building it. All construction jobs in that area go to Mexicans.

    • LOL: 216
  93. 216 says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    http://thepoliticalfire.com/fox-news-tomi-lahren-tells-michelle-obama-to-sit-down-immediately-gets-slammed-on-twitter/

    https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/02/19/587097707/laura-ingraham-told-lebron-james-to-shutup-and-dribble-he-went-to-the-hoop

    https://www.rawstory.com/2016/08/tomi-lahren-warns-kaepernick-citizenship-is-conditional-thousands-would-gladly-take-your-spot/

    While this may be forgotten here, those two went viral time after time on black Twitter.

    I’m sorry but this is deflection. What is and isn’t inflammatory depends on an ever sliding scale, depending on the social grievance value assigned to the inflammer as well as the inflammed. (see the Starbucks incident from last year) Whites, conservative or otherwise, do not hate blacks.

    We are subject to the rules of Intersectionality whether we like it or not. Complaining about it is just as foolish as whining about the media double standard. We have no cultural self-determination in this country. Blacks on the whole are unsympathetic to “free speech” concerns, and any visit to black twitter’s Two Minutes Hate will confirm that. That hate machine is fueled by dumb conservatives that don’t recognize that there is no privacy in the Current Year.

    http://www.unz.com/anepigone/free-speech-absolutis/

    Average Conservatives need to “stay in their lane”.

  94. Thomm says:
    @LostHopeless

    er…. none of those Indian commenters you listed think I am an Indian, you retard. You should at least be able to convince them than I am an ‘Indian’.

    none of them are ever so keen to massively increase legal immigration

    Nope. Never said that. I only said we should have a skill-based system like Canada, which would net increase skilled immigration, while decreasing unskilled.

    On the other hand, it is a well-known fact that WN wiggers are a defective subrace that functional whites like me are keen to keep out of polite society. That is why you are so butthurt. You faggots have also said I am Jewish a number of times. It is all just a pain-avoidance mechanism to help you avoid the truth that respectable whites correctly see you as pollutants.

    You are an example of the Dunning-Kruger syndrome. You probably don’t know what that is, but let me simplify it down to what someone with an IQ of 70 (like you) can understand : it means you are a loser.

    Now then, since it is a well-known fact that White Trashionalists are often homosexuals (consistent with the HBD fact that they are wastematter that the white race is trying to expel), I say in true sincerity :

    Get off my lawn, faggot!

    Heh heh heh heh

    • Replies: @LostHopeless
  95. 216 says:
    @Mr McKenna

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/dixie-chicks-nfl-protest_us_59c93c54e4b06ddf45fa24b0

    https://www.theodysseyonline.com/white-people-colin-kaepernick

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/dixie-chicks-nfl-protest_us_59c93c54e4b06ddf45fa24b0

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9047510/

    Again, you won’t see this IRL with a white conservative vis-à-vis a black person, because it would end in fisticuffs. But it was fairly common during the peak of the BLM-Anthem protests.

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
  96. @Thomm

    Per
    http://www.unz.com/runz/racial-politics-in-america-and-in-california/#comment-2620356

    Thomm the subCON would like to
    i) Halt all illegal immigration and expel the illegals already here.
    ii) Halt all unskilled legal immigration.
    iii) Substantially increase skilled immigration.

    Aren’t you the one who seemed to be quite happy with the fact that Canada is 19% Asian and climbing?
    As an aside look at the crime figures for Brampton and tell me all “Asians” are virtually crime free!

    Most whites have been priced out of Vancouver but that makes it all the more delicious now isn’t it thomm? You’d wished this whole place be looking like Redmond, WA or Edison, NJ now dontcha?

    • Replies: @Thomm
  97. @Audacious Epigone

    Actually ask an Indian instead of cooking up your damned lies, uh, I mean, statistics. Of course Indians hate immigration. Think about it for a second.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  98. Thomm says:
    @LostHopeless

    Since you are innumerate, you fail to notice that the text you quote still means that skilled immigration nowhere near offsets the loss of unskilled legal immigration (let alone illegal immigration).

    Under my plan, total immigration would be lower.

    Again, your IQ is about 40 points too low to grasp the basic numbers of what I communicated. You have beclowned yourself.

    Furthermore, you seem to think that anyone who supports skilled immigration (i.e. most Americans) is somehow an ‘Indian’. It proves nothing of the sort, you dumbass.

    Your stupidity continues to astound.

    Aren’t you the one who seemed to be quite happy with the fact that Canada is 19% Asian and climbing?

    Ron Unz seems to be happy about the Hispanic percentage climbing. Does that make him Hispanic? Plus, I am not happy because they are Asian, but rather pointing out that they don’t cause problems. You yet again reveal that you are not capable of any thoughts beyond your primitive ‘muh tribe, muh tribe’ ooga booga stupidity.

    Plus, pricing out 70-IQ wigger trash like you is a plus for functional whites who already own homes like me, not a minus.

    At a minimum, you should at least get one of the Indian commenters to certify that I am Indian (Hint : they won’t, since I am not one).

    If you took off your gimp suit and went outside once in a while, you might not be as out of touch with the mainstream as you are. Someday, you will admit to yourself that respectable white people hate you, and don’t see you as one of us.

    Heh heh heh heh

    • Replies: @neutral
  99. @216

    “Shut up and sing” and “Shut up and play” and “White people should shut up” aren’t remotely what you “quoted”.

  100. Sean says:
    @Mitleser

    The American Revolution would never have happened if Quebec had not been conquered by Britain, because that meant the Americans no longer needed Britain to defend them from the French.

  101. ‘…Few blacks consciously think through the consequences of bringing in more taxeaters and more competition for a dwindling number of unskilled jobs…’

    Few blacks do those jobs any more. If they’re not on welfare, they’re holding down a government sinecure, and if they’re not doing that, they’re demonstrating the Peter Principle as affirmative action cadets at major corporations, in hospitals, and so on.

    A decade or so back, I was driving around the industrial area of West Oakland — a largely black area, residentially. It happened to be lunch time, and outside every business, the workers were queueing up at the roach coaches.

    Hispanics, Asians, Hispanics, Hispanics, Asians. Never blacks.

    At last, a place with blacks outside of it! My inner liberal gave a cry of joy. Then I saw the sign on the building. ‘Oakland School District Textbook Depository.’

    Sigh. Government sinecure. Blacks don’t care about immigrants because they have no intention of competing for the jobs immigrants can get. As a rule, those jobs involve work.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  102. yeah i think the first comment nailed it.

    africans really do dislike these foreigners. but, they hate whitey more than anything else in the world. so they’ll take that hit, of millions of annoying foreigners coming in and messing things up for them, as long as it hurts whitey.

  103. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:
    @Audacious Epigone

    I’m not citing the map because I think it’s a completely accurate picture of how a dissolution would end up. I’m citing it just to illustrate that foreign intervention would take place in the event of a dissolution.

    China, Russia, and others would be stupid not to intervene to prevent a powerful continental state that threatens them from ever forming again. This wouldn’t necessarily involve direct intervention, but at a minimum they would be supporting proxies to keep the continent divided.

    Africa is not dominated by a continental state that can project power and threaten other states around the world.

    • Replies: @Bill
  104. @Okechukwu

    Only about 63 percent of white Americans vote, versus about 85 percent of whites in most other western countries. This suggests that working class whites are actually very cautious about who they vote for. They don’t really trust the Republicans, and nor do they trust the Democrats. And a good argument can be made that both parties are against their class and race interests.

    In contrast, blacks always vote for the Democrats even though they are pushing immigration policies which aren’t in the interests of most blacks. I don’t see how this makes working class whites are any stupider than blacks.

  105. Medvedev says:
    @Anon

    As @MikeatMikedotMike pointed out such concept is too hard for them.
    From their perspective, rich Whitey doesn’t want to share gibsmedat with them. And getting more non-Whites as political allies will ensure that gibsmedat keeps flowing into their pockets.
    Try to pay attention to TV commercials. Blacks are well over-represented there. Media shows them image of successful rich or upper-middle class Blacks driving around in nice cars, living in nice homes, having all these nice and shiny things and gadgets. No wonder that 70-80 IQ individuals think that the only thing that stops them from having all of these is evil Whitey.

  106. @Audacious Epigone

    The chance that one nation from the imperial wreckage will nuke another is about as high as Britain nuking Germany.

    Good grief. Don’t give them ideas.

  107. neutral says:
    @Thomm

    Your anti white commentary is pretty standard coming from brown invaders such as you, the fact that you so blatantly lie about it is what makes you such utter trash.

    • Replies: @Thomm
    , @Truth
  108. LondonBob says:
    @216

    A lot of formerly safe white Labour seats have shifted to the Conservatives and seen surges in support for UKIP, a formerly coal mining seat like Cannock Chase is a good example whilst the Conservatives have ceased to exist in parts of inner city London. The problem is the Conservatives talk a good game but ultimately are almost as useless as your Republicans.

    Anyway I have accepted the fact across the West that the immigration problem can no longer be solved by conventional means.

  109. LondonBob says:
    @Diversity Heretic

    Yes Britain unfortunately passed up the opportunity to support the CSA and create a loyal Canada style surrogate that could have rejoined the Empire.

    Maybe Mexico could influence the SW and China the West Coast, if they send some more surplus populace.

  110. LondonBob says:
    @Tyrion 2

    Blacks posted the highest support for Remain in the EU referendum. Again you might think many wouldn’t care but no, white folk liked Leave so they voted against.

  111. LondonBob says:
    @216

    They were turning people away from the crib service at my Anglican church in the London suburbs it was so packed with young families this Christmas, we are holding in there.

  112. jd3 says:

    they pull out a knife, you pull out a gun…. you go big!
    that is what I am prepared to do! well, me at leat….

  113. jd3 says: • Website

    re: the hispanic responses are interesting in that they reflect ethnic interest. fig. suggests that they believe illegal immigration is a problem–almost as much as whites. However, they do not appear to believe that a wall is the answer, but maybe tepidly support such a thing. (did this survey put forward alternative methods of illegal immigration control?) While not as much as blacks, hispanics would like to help their co-ethnics with aid. Finally in the last figure, hispanics are lowest in support of deportations–as legals (themselves!) might get caught up in the net.

    Interestingly, aside from what the media has been espousing… Jews support… oops ok, I will stop there.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  114. TG says:
    @Felix....

    Um, yes and no.

    Certainly blacks are making the calculation that in alliance with other non-whites they can increase their relative power. In the long run of course that won’t work out very well, because hispanics and asians despise American blacks and feel no historical connection to them. And because in an America with the population pressure of Pakistan, life will in general stink for the average person of whatever color.

    It should also be remembered that blacks have a government-controlled and -funded “leadership class” of blacks who have been catapulted into the upper-middle class in return for toeing the corporate party line, that no other ethnic group in this country has. That surely is also a factor.

    But as far as whites becoming a despised minority? Maybe not. That happened in South Africa, where you have like 6% whites and the rest colored and black. However, I think we are moving more towards what they have in Mexico and Brazil: a multi-racial multi-ethnic state, where the elites are actually white (although most whites of course are not elite). “Anglos rule, mestizos toil, and Indians endure.” There just may not be enough cohesion amongst the non-whites for them to reliably band together against whites.

  115. Bill says:
    @Thomm

    You are really missing his point.

  116. Bill says:
    @Okechukwu

    “Because your typical anti-immigrationist tends also to harbor a visceral hatred of black people”

    Blacks so often have this weird combination of projection and self-obsession.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  117. Bill says:
    @Anonymous

    “Africa is not dominated by a continental state that can project power and threaten other states around the world.”

    Good grief.

  118. @Audacious Epigone

    Doesn’t 60% seem fantastical? Im assuming the 60% figure of eligible voters includes all blacks of voting age without factoring those ineligible due to felony conviction and incarceration. What % of the turnout would we expect to be black women?

    Anecdotally blacks I have known don’t vote or even engage in politics.

    It is highly likely that there is massive voter fraud going on in black controlled voting districts.

    This is not an original thought I know. Have you looked into it yourself,

  119. @Audacious Epigone

    Exactly so, they’re cargo cultists. “The Gods Must Be Crazy” is a great example of this primitive thinking. They have no clue what it takes to generate and maintain wealth, nor really what wealth is. To them wealth is bling so the negro with a 400 credit score driving a BMW and wearing Kangol hats with alligator shoes is a “rich nigga”. Even when they manage to hit the ghetto lottery via sportsball or ambulance chasing attorney, more often than not the money just vanishes without a trace.

    They’re absolutely certain that if whitey was exterminated they’d have all his wealth and it never crosses their minds what whitey has to do to earn and keep the fraction not confiscated by government. They are certain that whitey has his wealth because it is stolen from negroes, but it never occurs to them that for this to be true they must have created something of value which they’ve never done and don’t know how to do.

    Their hatred and jealousy of us is unimaginable to 98% of white people. It’s just incomprehensible in the way we cannot comprehend how a Downie thinks. We think they want what we want and just don’t have it because reasons. When what they want is for us to die and for them to have what we have absent any of the whitey juju bullshit underlying it all.

    • Replies: @Truth
  120. Thomm says:
    @neutral

    Wrong again. I am extremely pro-white. I am just anti-wastematter. The bottom 20% of the white race comprises of wastematter that the rest of us want to expel from the gene pool. This is evident in the fact that white variance (in brains, looks, talent, and character) is unusually high.

    You comprise of nothing but wastematter that enables the rest of us to sustain our excellence. The average white IQ excluding you is 105. But your wastematter subrace is just 70.

    The men of this subrace become White Trashionalists and Soyboys. The women of this defective subrace become the fat bluehaired feminists (note how you can’t even recruit your own women to your ideology).

    This also explains the high incidence of homosexuality among people like you.

    My only interest is to prevent moochers like you from mooching off of the rest of us. Your ideology of White Trashionalism is just an appeal for intra-white socialism, where I pay and you consume. If you haven’t figured out why functional whites utterly hate you, that is why.

    Got it?

    Now get off my lawn, faggot!

    Heh heh heh heh

  121. @Audacious Epigone

    “Why not gain more political allies to ensure the manna keeps raining down?”

    Gee, I dunno … how about the ethnic cleansing of blacks from various neighbourhoods (barrios?) of LA as an example of why this is actually not a winning strategy.

  122. @Audacious Epigone

    The Chinese model isn’t to conquer, it’s to economically exploit. The Chinese aren’t even going to conquer Africa–they’re sure as hell not going to try to take over a European country.

    Of course not. How would they even get t/here? Long gone are the days when you could just load up some ships with guys and sneak them ashore. And an attack/invasion on a nuclear superpower is simply insane. China’s long term interests lie in Asia and the South Pacific. Africa would be completely do-able if they were certain that neither Russia/India nor US/NATO would intervene, but that’s as far as that goes for the imaginable future.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  123. @Charles Pewitt

    “Does the British government, at this very moment, possess the power to use the Trident SLBM nukes without getting authorization from the US military?”

    “The UK Government emphasizes that Britain’s Trident submarines are “operationally independent,” meaning that they have an all-British crew and take commands only from the Prime Minister, regardless of whether he is coordinating with NATO and the White House. Some believe that this safeguard is sufficient to counteract Washington’s dominance of the program.”

    https://www.politico.eu/article/uk-trident-nuclear-program/

    https://www.medact.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/THE-UK-TRIDENT-MISSILE-SYSTEM-FINAL.pdf

  124. @Audacious Epigone

    “Hispanics past the first generation largely assimilate to black cultural norms.”

    This is the reality that politically-minded badwhites, who still labor under the illusion that there is some sort of schism between blacks and Latinos, need to realize. Yes, South Central blacks bitch and moan about the Latino invasion of what was a long-established black community. But there’s nothing they can do about it: their political leadership is absolutely corrupt — Aunty Maxine being a prime example of this. What unites the blacks and browns is more powerful than their internecine conflicts: hatred of whitey. The goodwhites are ceding power to the POC constituency; and the POCs sense their united kingdom will be built over the bones of white men. I live in a “diverse” California city where this zeitgeist is palpable.

  125. @The Alarmist

    “Strategy?? Yo, there’s somma that fag talk again …”

    Sorry, Mr. Alarmist, no offense intended with that Idioccracy reference. I really think you take the black voting block as a more intelligent group than they are. There are plenty of bright black people who would understand and want to get your point out there. However, that doesn’t make for a Sharpton, Jackson, or big-man preacher, who are the people most will look to for their voting guidance, other than the pictures and last names of the candidates.

    BTW, do you think the black people in those very neighborhoods that are getting Hispanicized would even bring up your point? I don’t think 1 in 5 would.

    • Replies: @Truth
  126. Truth says:
    @Felix....

    It’s a pretty simple calculation for the blacks. On their own, they cannot politically overpower whites. As part of a larger coalition of minorities they eventually hope to get there. As such, they will quite logically make decisions calculated to increase the strength of the coalition to which they belong and from which they seek the benefit in a grand way in the future

    Dudes, every time you write that something is “pretty simple”, your thought process seems, well, “pretty moronic.”

  127. Truth says:
    @Anon

    As for African Immigration to Europe, the main problems is not that blacks got 80 IQ but 10 Inch dongs.

    I gotta give you this one, Old Sport.

    I mean, I have both of those features you mentioned above, and If I had to lose, say 25% of one; I would definitely choose IQ.

  128. @Audacious Epigone

    Depends what hispanics you’re talking about. A hispanic like the one in this video will probably assimilate to white norms but you’re probably right for the ones who look like this

  129. Truth says:
    @216

    Okechukwu is a Nigerian colonizer who thinks he’s exacting cosmic justice against evil stupid whites.

    Oh, you’re a fan too?

  130. Truth says:
    @216

    Perhaps there is some logic to sending the same Congressman every two years, but tying your fortunes to one party is illogical

    Well now, Old Sport, you keep voting for Republicans every year, but you still have women’s rights, affirmative action, and no wall…

  131. @Audacious Epigone

    blacks punch *way* above their weight electorally.

    A big part of that is that White liberals get far more virtue points for supporting blacks than hispanics.

  132. Truth says:
    @neutral

    Well, if I may interject for a moment, Sir; as an outsider it pretty much all seems like anti-white commentary on this board.

    Especially the post…after post…after post threads here, which compare 50% of your membership, (those without “y” chromosomes) unfavorably, with the double-x’ers of other races.

    But hey, that’s just me.

  133. Truth says:
    @Stan d Mute

    . “The Gods Must Be Crazy” is a great example of this primitive thinking.

    Yep Stanley; and Spiderman is a great example of what happens when you get bit by a spider.

    • LOL: Talha
  134. Truth says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Sorry, Mr. Alarmist, no offense intended with that Idioccracy reference. I really think you take the black voting block as a more intelligent group than they are.

    LOL. What about the “White Nationalist Wigger” block that voted for President Camacho in ’16, actually believing that he was not only going to build a wall…

    BUT THAT MEXICO WAS GOING TO PAY FOR IT…

    • Replies: @216
    , @Audacious Epigone
  135. 216 says:
    @Truth

    R-E-M-I-T-T-A-N-C-E

    T-A-X

    My people didn’t vote for Steve Mnuchin to wormtongue the Emperor. Nor were they expecting crying Ivanka to be demanding war.

    We peacefully exercised our rights of self-determination. That you ex-colonials would not have if not for us, but that which your homelands are soon to be PRC protectorates.

    • Replies: @Truth
  136. @MikeatMikedotMike

    The gold box is like an award the blogger or Ron can give to a comment he feels especially notable. Achmed’s brown box was a photoshopped parody of that.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  137. @Achmed E. Newman

    You do know that you can award your own gold boxes right? Just add me (or anyone really, but no, just add me) to your commenters to follow list as I have added you to mine and voilá – gold boxes galore.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  138. @216

    Average Conservatives need to “stay in their lane”.

    Or how about they realize Twitter is the domain of Twits and faggots? Ignore stupid and it starves.

    • Replies: @216
  139. Okechukwu says:
    @The Alarmist

    Gee, I dunno … how about the ethnic cleansing of blacks from various neighbourhoods (barrios?) of LA as an example of why this is actually not a winning strategy.

    Assuming that blacks are being ethnically cleansed, do they vanish into thin air or do they move somewhere else? Have you considered that what we have here is black flight? Believe it or not, black people don’t want to live in the vicinity of Mexican gangbangers and drug cartel sicarios.

    Actually, what you describe as ethnic cleansing is simply blacks spreading their wings and habitating parts of the United States that previously were considered no-go areas. For example, as the South becomes more progressive and more inclusive, many blacks are returning there. Blacks are also moving to the suburbs. All in all, this purported “ethic cleansing” is good for black people. Densely congregating in a few urban areas isn’t good for black people nor the country as a whole.

  140. @Stan d Mute

    Photoshop? Luxury! I wish I had Photoshop. (It was MS-Paint, it’ll do for the basics.)

  141. @216

    “We are subject to the rules of Intersectionality whether we like it or not. Complaining about it is just as foolish as whining about the media double standard. We have no cultural self-determination in this country. Blacks on the whole are unsympathetic to “free speech” concerns, and any visit to black twitter’s Two Minutes Hate will confirm that. That hate machine is fueled by dumb conservatives that don’t recognize that there is no privacy in the Current Year.”

    More static. There is no complaining here, only observation. Again, whites do not have a visceral hatred of blacks by any measure. I can interpret your replies to mean that “fairies wear boots and you gotta believe me, because I saw it I saw it and I tell ya no lies”, but absurd interpretations* do not merit any special justification or protection from rebuke.

    Ooga Booga or whatever his name is, is quite simply either a liar or a fool, based on the statements he’s made.

    *For sake of argument only. My observation is that Oompa Loompa’s remarks are made as though they are empirical fact.

  142. @Stan d Mute

    I saw you bad-mouth twitter, et al (totally AGREED), but you may still be more of an “early adopter” than THIS GUY. Crap, all I know how to do is REPLY.

    Part of it may be that I don’t use a real email address .. .shshhh, hope Ron’s not lurking, so maybe I don’t have all the features. Thank you for adding me. I feel like this is high school, so I feel soooo bad for not LIKEING you back, Stan! Please don’t tell anyone in my peer group.

  143. Okechukwu says:

    Again, whites do not have a visceral hatred of blacks by any measure.

    Your arguments are juvenile and disingenuous. No one says that ALL whites hate blacks. But a certain percentage of whites surely do hate blacks. You can usually find them in places like Unz Review.

    My observation is that Oompa Loompa’s remarks are made as though they are empirical fact.

    Then try debunking them.

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  144. @Futurethirdworlder

    It is highly likely that there is massive voter fraud going on in black controlled voting districts.

    I had been planning to comment to this effect myself. You stole my thunder. Well done.

  145. 216 says:
    @Stan d Mute

    It’s hard to describe to a Boomer conservative how much PeeOhCee Millennials both envy and hate them. They lack the vocabulary to effectively respond to the Kapernick’s and Ocasio’s of the world.

    From a non-generational basis, a white male gentile conservative should bow to the Intersectional system and only criticize white male gentile liberals. I’d go one further and allege that the most effective use of resources is spent attacking sellout white male gentile conservative pols and donors. If you aren’t a woman, don’t interact with women in politics. If you aren’t black, don’t criticize blacks. The left needs a demon to rally around, and our people should never volunteer for it.

    It’s hard for men to claim “harassment”, and its hard for white males to resist being tagged as a “traitor”. And PeeOhCee are notoriously loath to defend their “white allies”.

    Look at the reaction to Swallwell vis-a-vis Tlaib and Ocasio. Now imagine if all the normiecon energy was spend harassing Kevin McCarthy.

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  146. @SunBakedSuburb

    South Central blacks bitch and moan about the Latino invasion of what was a long-established black community. But there’s nothing they can do about it

    Yes and no. Insofar as their elites, yes all true. But on the street level not so much. Mestizos/Indios haven’t drunk the negro worship kool-aid. Anywhere. Look at negro populations in Mexico or Panama – they’re isolated and shunned. There’s no reason to believe that this will change in America once whitey is vanquished. The mestizo/indio population will push the negroes onto what amounts to reservations. Even in Brazil, the negroes are up north with the coloreds and mestizo/Indios everywhere else.

  147. Truth says:
    @216

    but that which your homelands are soon to be PRC protectorates.

    Well Old Sport, if you read Frijole Fred’s latest article, he argues that YOUR country will be right along with them…

  148. @The Anti-Gnostic

    Well then! By your logic, majority doesn’t matter: what matters is power.

    You’re just now finding this out?

    If you don’t hold, somebody else will take. Real simple.

    Real simple, but not real relevant: it is no longer really how states interact (although they still try: tapeworms gotta tape). It’s been centuries since it applied to personal interactions, and pretty much everyone who gets a taste of what it’s like to live without fear of someone arbitrarily taking your shit, agrees that it’s a good thing.

    Part of the reason that humans form groups is for mutual protection. Part of the tacit agreement underpinning those groups is that the overwhelming majority of the demos recognises the property rights of other members of the same society – so “hold or others will take” is explicitly repudiated (it is retained vis à vis other groups in primitive societies where the locals do not understand that trade is superior to warfare, always and everywhere).

    In fact the rejection of ‘might makes right'[1], and resultant recognition and protection of property rights, is what incentivises value-creation. There is a higher probability that value-creators get to retain the value they create; in a world where everything is up for grabs, there is no incentive to produce above subsistence.

    So once rights are recognised and protected, economic development can take place. The more secure individual rights are, the greater the incentive to accumulate capital – and that sets off a virtuous circle that lasts until the system gets captured by the parasites that emerge from every human herd (I’m speaking of politicians here, not welfare recipients).

    And the richer a society gets, the more it extends rights-recognition outwards; so the West extended the political franchise outwards from white property-owners, all the way to women (Madness!!! Next thing they’ll be giving cows the vote!), Natives, Jews, and Blacks.

    And eventually we got rich enough to properly examine the morality of States stealing other people’s shit, and we made the right decision: it is a moral wrong, and people who lead efforts do that should be punished.

    The Western polity stated making the right noises in the late 19th century; it got around to punishing internecine warmaking in 1918 (and 1945)… but it’s still not keen on punishing attempts by major Western powers against non-Western victims (Palestine being the main case in point, but also Viet Nam, India and Pakistan, most of Africa, and more recently Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria and Yemen).

    By the 1970s the demos signed on to the same ideas, and took them more seriously than the polis.

    It was even applied to America to an extent, and the US has found it increasingly difficult to profitably invade people. To date it hasn’t stopped the US government from behaving like the world’s paedohile uncle – fucking the people it claimed to care about – but it will over the next quarter-century as the US falls from power (at which time, the US population had better hope that everybody continues to agree that Lex Talionis is a terrible idea).

    Anyhow… very big reason that brown folks from around the world are gravitating towards the West, is because even at the bottom, the West has standards of living that make it worth the attempt.

    They are not motivated by ‘bringing the West to its knees’ or ‘extending the ummah’ any other such nonsense; their motivation is to improve their economic circumstances – i.e., it’s the same as the motivation of previous waves of immigration.

    And previous waves of immigration included intra-Western immigration – of Germans, Irish and so forth to the US, Australia and New Zealand: in each of those cases, the duller incumbents also clutched their pearls and lamented the impending Death of Our Way of Life.

    Some of the immigrants – both legal and illegal – are complete and utter arseholes, but so are plenty of incumbents. By the third generation the descendants of even the most ardent are pretty much assimilated, and all the old biddies let go of their pearls and don’t get the vapours when their grand-daughter marries a Chinaman (or – gasp! – a Jew).

    There’s also the “Pottery Barn” idea: that if the US government goes around fucking up bits of the planet, then it ought to have to bear the lion’s share of the burden of what happens next.

    At present, the US has escaped the vast bulk of the displacement of populations that happened due to US action, or US support for other action; the tiny trickle of South Americans that makes old biddies want to build a big expensive fence, is trivial stood next to the mass migration of displaced people from bits of the world torn apart by the US, or at US behest, or using US weapons and logistical support. (Not for nothin’ but the US government has been sticking its dick in LatAm politics for four generations; why is it not responsible to absorb some of the human flotsam that results?)

    Without wanting to invoke Godwin’s Law, you’re making the same category error that Hitler made.

    He conflated the weirdo Haredim that moved en masse to the West in the late 19th century, with the indigenous (largely non-religious) Jewish population. Most of the latter identified as German first and had no time for the nutjobs in their silly hats and long coats – but silly old Dolfie identified one (over-broad) characteristic and thought “Everyone with that characteristic has got to fucking go” (and like cutting out a ‘border’ around a melanoma, he included a big chunk of folks who didn’t even identify as Jewish, just to be sure).

    And so it is with the knee-jerk pearl-clutching over a largely-fictional brown tide; they’re the wrong target if you’re worried about the competitive status of ‘white’ culture in the US.

    I happen to believe that a very specifically non-US version of White European culture is a good idea; I have absolutely no doubt that in the marketplace of ideas, it’s overwhelmingly the best product on offer, and it’s a product whose updates generally tend in the right direction. Anyone who thinks that it could be brought undone by a bunch of bedraggled Guatemalans or some glowering dark-eyed mono-brows with big beards… well, they’re basically insecure: SLWGs (Scared Little White Grannies) .

    Besides… most of the cultural damage being done to the US at the moment, is being led by lily-white locals who have been seized by a messianic zeal to right historical wrongs that they just learned about.

    As every Westerner outside the US bubble knows, messianic zeal is extraordinarily common in Yanks – it’s their stupidest feature, given that it’s not feigned. Yanks have the same tendency to messianism that English politicians feigned in the late 19th century: it’s just that the modern SJWs are turning it inwards.

    Anyhow… like all infatuated half-wits, the SJWs have decided on the worst possible mechanism – adversarial demands based on ambit claims.

    That is what was required to get the ball rolling in the first half of the 20th century, but it’s no longer the best strategy, because it makes their opposing zealots (the “White Jesus” crowd) get all antsy about the Kingdom of the Anti-Christ, or about Beckies getting ass-raped by imported mujaheddin, or some other such bullshit.

  149. Okechukwu says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    c) “You see those sucka’s workin’ on dat roof round da block? Man, long as my ho come through with the check. I don’t need any a that sheet.”

    You really have to be deaf, dumb and blind to move around this country and not witness black people working in all kinds of less than glamorous jobs — be it at the airport, car wash, office buildings, hotels, fast food joints, maintenance, security guards, etc.

    You cannot advance an ideology that is mired in unreality. The reason why your “movement” is circling the toilet bowl is,

    A) Half of you are dumber than a bag of rocks.

    And

    B) The other half, while not dumb per se, are nevertheless willfully blind to reality.

  150. @216

    Look at the reaction to Swallwell vis-a-vis Tlaib and Ocasio. Now imagine if all the normiecon energy was spend harassing Kevin McCarthy.

    I’m not familiar with the Swallwell/Tlaib/Ocasio fracas, but if I follow you correctly then we are in complete agreement. From a public facing perspective, we have to first shoot (metaphorically) the traitors in our midst. The McStains, Flakes, Ryans, Boners, et al ad nauseum. Attacking the clowns like Maxine Waters or even Nancy Pelosi doesn’t help for a number of reasons not least of which is your point about looking like a bully. Refute them sure, post a neutral factual rebuttal, but dig into and eviscerate (metaphorically again) the treasonous pieces of shit like the neocons.

    I do, however, think there’s a place for mockery of idiots like Waters/Pelosi – just let it be a 4chan meme type of thing and not a powerful figure doing it. If nothing else, it helps us maintain AE’s happy warrior ethos, a bit of levity goes a long way when we are down as far as we are and already seeing an increase in “deaths of despair” on our side..

  151. Too much trolling on this thread and not enough discussion. Cleaning up the comments would be beneficial.

  152. @Okechukwu

    Hey, I’ve seen black guys work at lots of jobs, just like the ones you describe. However, when they get displaced by Guatemalans or Somalians and further screwed by the immigration invasion in plenty of other ways too, I don’t see them going out and voting for Trump. Do you?

    There was a black lady named Barbara Jordan in the US House o’ Representin’ from the Republic of Texas. This is from her biography:

    From 1994 until her death, Jordan chaired the U.S. Commission on Immigration Reform. The commission recommended that total immigration be cut be by one-third to approximately 550,000 per year. The commission supported increasing enforcement against illegal immigrants and their employers, eliminating visa preferences for siblings and adult children of U.S. citizens, and ending unskilled immigration except for refugees and nuclear families. The commission’s report to Congress said that it was “a right and responsibility of a democratic society to manage immigration so that it serves the national interest”

    Do they make em like this anymore, Mr. Okechu, or more importantly, make people who would elect her? If that were the case, I’d have more respect for the intelligence of certain voters.

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  153. anon[345] • Disclaimer says:
    @Felix....

    Even the whites ain’t all that opposed to slavery.

    Look at all those jerks in Hollywood paying under the odds for their Mexican maids and Guatemalan gardeners. Do they not hold over them the implicit threat of deportation?

    Who needs chains when you’ve got ’em by the balls?

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  154. Okechukwu says:
    @Kratoklastes

    This is absolutely brilliant. Well done.

  155. Well, we certainly have a lively discussion going on here. So much, that I really don’t know what I could possibly contribute.

  156. @Okechukwu

    “You really have to be deaf, dumb and blind to move around this country and not witness black people working in all kinds of less than glamorous jobs — be it at the airport, car wash, office buildings, hotels, fast food joints, maintenance, security guards, etc.”

    Ditto for Whites and Hispanics in less than glamorous jobs. Ditto for Asians in nail parlors, Asian restaurants, and happy ending massage parlors.

    Me thinks you’re the one with impaired faculties of observation.

  157. @Okechukwu

    Hey, my comment got wiped. Let me try again:

    I have seen plenty of black guys doing exactly those jobs that you wrote of, Mr. Okechu. However, when these guys get displaced by Guatemalans or Somalians for this job or that, do they make an effort to find out how it could be stopped? Would they stoop so low as to vote for someone who will promised to lower the immigration levels, say Donald Trump? I don’t think so.

    What do you think of this black lady, the late Barbara Jordan, a member of the US House o’ Representin’ from the great State of Texas, based on this piece of her biography:

    From 1994 until her death, Jordan chaired the U.S. Commission on Immigration Reform. The commission recommended that total immigration be cut be by one-third to approximately 550,000 per year. The commission supported increasing enforcement against illegal immigrants and their employers, eliminating visa preferences for siblings and adult children of U.S. citizens, and ending unskilled immigration except for refugees and nuclear families. The commission’s report to Congress said that it was “a right and responsibility of a democratic society to manage immigration so that it serves the national interest”

    Do they make ’em like this anymore, or, more importantly, do they make voters who would elect a lady like this anymore? If I saw some of that, I’d have lots of more respect for certain groups of voters.

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  158. @Okechukwu

    “No one says that ALL whites hate blacks. ”

    You said:

    “Because your typical anti-immigrationist tends also to harbor a visceral hatred of black people. ”

    By “typical anti-immigrationist” you imply typical white person, meaning in general, most white people. My responses are in kind. We are both speaking in general terms, not absolutist terms. That was a given. Now you are trying to deflect and change the frame from general to absolute. So your accusation of “childish and disingenuous arguments” is once again, projection.

    “Then try debunking them.”

    It is up to you to support the claims you make. But just to prove I don’t have a visceral hatred for you, I will provide a link to a website that debunks pretty much everything you have said. Perhaps you’ve never heard of it:

    http://anepigone.blogspot.com/

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    , @Okechukwu
  159. 216 says:
    @Okechukwu

    Blacks have the highest unemployment rate in the country, and are the most disliked workers. See: Employer Race Realism.

    http://time.com/3211845/equal-opportunity-racial-realism/
    https://americanaffairsjournal.org/2017/11/low-skill-immigration-case-restriction/
    https://www.economist.com/united-states/2017/02/04/new-research-suggests-that-effort-at-work-is-correlated-with-race

    Black youth unemployment is double the white rate.
    https://www.bls.gov/web/empsit/cpsee_e16.htm

    So there is evidence to back his claim, that there is a higher tendency of young black males to shirk employment that can be represented by the fictionalized anecdote.

    Now, I will tip my hat to the Somali’s that apparently are organizing a union at Amazon in MN. A remarkable showcase of what traditionalism and ethnoreligious homogeneity can accomplish. And a nice punch in the face to an oligarch who will realize his pets aren’t as pliable as he thought they were.

  160. @Kratoklastes

    Anyhow… very big reason that brown folks from around the world are gravitating towards the West, is because even at the bottom, the West has standards of living that make it worth the attempt.

    It isn’t just the standard of living. Metropolitan China’s standard of living now matches that of the west and in terms of raw infrastructure, it FAR exceeds it. But theirs is a quasi totalitarian polity where conformity is encouraged nay lauded and a free minded individual minding his own business but NOT confirming is looked at as a threat. Look at the way religions are looked at in China. They want to sinicize Christianity and Islam and ‘infuse’ it with Chinese Characteristics and would do it with force if need be. Since they punitively do not confirm the way conformity is appreciated nay demanded in China

    Ironically the ones who escape and move to the same place en masse bring their worldview with them. Being a conformist would soon be the norm in parts of Canada and OZ (the eternal backyard of the anglo saxon). If the current Chinese takeover of OZ continues, Canberra would be a warmer version of Beijing where confirming to the mean (set by Chinese elders in Peking) would be something the average OZman would aspire to!

    By the third generation the descendants of even the most ardent are pretty much assimilated, and all the old biddies let go of their pearls and don’t get the vapours when their grand-daughter marries a Chinaman (or – gasp! – a Jew).

    This is assuming that there will be a homogeneous culture to assimilate into. As the polity culturally fragments we mostly get a few dominant ethnics vying for a shrinking pool of resources with nothing to bind them besides naked materialism and a love for money and sex (kind of present day America if you will, the reason why the whole immigration mess started in the first place). I work in tech and know too well how the trickle of Indian tech geniuses from the early 2000s has now given way to them manning the whole damn industry under the auspices of schlomo, who by the way has a fondness for those pagans

    At the end of the day most centrists and left liberals make a fatal assumption about human nature. At the very base, we are ALL tribal until there is something to bind us beyond tribe, something subliminal, beyond money and sex. Religion and morality is one of them and the early Christian Rome and the Ottoman empire are two examples of really multicultural societies that lasted real long, but the thing that bound them was religion. And even within them there was a clear hierarchy with concrete markers. We don’t have anything like that now and with dwindling resources globally, humans would fall back on the most basic of their selves, their tribe/race/religion.

    Other than that, your opinion on US actions abroad are spot on. The sooner this charade of an empire falls apart the better it is for everyone including us. That would be the day we can try to take back the republic

  161. 216 says:

    AE,

    Interesting counterpart to the graduate IQ post.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaeltnietzel/2019/01/07/whither-the-humanities-the-ten-year-trend-in-college-majors/#379bbfa964ad

    Identity studies (encompassing ethnic, area, cultural, gender and group studies) realized a negligible decrease of 39 graduates, less than .5%.

    No

    Homeland security and law enforcement graduates increased 73%.

    Diversity is our strength, and a police state!

    Engineering saw a 60% increase in its graduates.

    Muh H-1B serfs, must import all of India

  162. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:
    @Stan d Mute

    The foreign intervention scenario is predicated on the dissolution of the US into squabbling, mutually hostile rump states. In other words, it presumes that there is no continental power in the former US.

  163. I am loathe to speak for an entire population. But the interpretation here is probably way off the mark.

    The view that most blacks probably have concerning immigration is derived from their own history of fair play. In their minds, it is probably viewed as a matter of generosity, even if that generosity hurts them.

    The country has made a point of telling blacks that they are not owners of the country. While is a blatant falsehood, it is part and parcel to the social engineering project concerning black citizens.

    However, if you phrased the question to reflect specifics,

    say,

    Should you as a US citizen have to compete with people in the country illegally for opportunities: education, employment, etc.

    The response would most likely be far different.

  164. I am loathe to speak for an entire population. But the interpretation here is probably way off the mark.

    The view that most blacks probably have concerning immigration is derived from their own history of fair play. In their minds, it is probably viewed as a matter of generosity, even if that generosity hurts them.

    The country has made a point of telling blacks that they are not owners of the country. While is a blatant falsehood, it is part and parcel to the social engineering project concerning black citizens.

    However, if you phrased the question to reflect specifics,

    say,

    Should you as a US citizen have to compete with people in the country illegally for opportunities (specific impacts): education, employment, etc.

    The response would most likely be far different.

    But the contention that blacks are in support of open borders is wildly over stated based on the record provided and it is inaccurate.

  165. The contentions that blacks support open borders is wildly overstated and based on the information provided, it is totally inaccurate.

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  166. @Okechukwu

    Universally regarded? The average WWC is more intelligent and successful in life than the average black. Not the average working-class black, the average black, period.

    • Replies: @Okechukwu
  167. @obwandiyag

    Oh I understand why they ‘should’ hate immigration–or invasion, more precisely. It was terrible for them just as it is terrible for us. But in The Current Year, there is no evidence that they want to stop the current invasion.

  168. @Colin Wright

    Well put. The invaders are political and ‘moral’ allies without being viewed, rather correctly, as economic competitors.

  169. @jd3

    It did not ask about alternative solutions.

  170. @Bill

    Indeed. I don’t hate Bengal tigers, either, I just don’t want them living on my street, neighborhood, city, state, or country. Across the ocean, fine. Best of luck. Excelsior!

  171. @Futurethirdworlder

    Not really, though there are some cross-referencing sources I could use. Thanks.

  172. @SunBakedSuburb

    Right. Do they bitch any more about the Hispanic incursions than they would about white ‘gentrification’? My guess is no, that they would in fact bitch less about it.

  173. @Truth

    There were lots of Trump supporters–serious ones, from the beginning (summer of 2015 here, as my archives attest in excruciating detail)–who thought Trump would function as a transitional figure who redefined Republican electoral viability and expanded the Overton Window without being a truly transformational figure. That’s more-or-less how things have played out.

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  174. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    I’m very hesitant to do that so long as identifying personal information isn’t compromised. There is plenty of classical liberal in me. Ancestrally, I’m inside the Hajnal Line and it shows!

  175. @anon

    Nearly every argument that can be used to justify illegal immigration can be used to justify slavery. The moral distinction, which is strikingly arbitrary when you really start thinking about it, is about the only distinction.

  176. @Achmed E. Newman

    See here. Ron’s working on it.

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  177. @EliteCommInc.

    Black politicians, Ds and Rs, are even friendlier to open immigration than their non-black counterparts are–certainly than their white counterparts are. Polls consistently show Hispanics expressing more restrictionist sentiments than blacks, and of course blacks virtually *never* vote for the candidate who takes a harder line on immigration in elections with 90%+ voting D.

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  178. @Audacious Epigone

    Thanks, A.E. I happened to see Mr. Unz’s short blurb on his changeover to a new WP version just after I was messing around trying to see why comments wouldn’t post. BTW, that was an interesting comparison for me of my 2 comments just now, to see how good my memory was (course, I should always ctrl-C and paste off somewhere any decently long comment on ANY blog – Ron’s being the most usable/reliable I’ve run into though…)

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  179. MEH 0910 says:

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  180. All I wanna know is, if I’m White and an electrician, will they let me live? Or is electricity to the home a White thing that must be abolished? After all, the Blaxx are murdering all the farmers in South Africa. Blaxx there are the same as ours here. If Blaxx murder the food producers, they’ll certainly murder the ultimate in White symbolism, producers of electricity. Just trying to find my market niche here as a White man. Hey! Maybe it’s the cannibal’s pot?

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  181. @Audacious Epigone

    most likely because that is not the only agenda on the table.

    But in either case, your data does not support that blacks are in favor of open borders. And as I noted previously, blacks have yet to reject the notion that whites alone own the country. Their history of ownership is well established and they should not feel the least bit guilty for claiming it — even over the objections of whites, who claim they alone built it.

    But singling out immigration as a sole issue is probably tilting the scales on immigration importance to US black citizens. packaged in specifics, is another matter, in my view.

  182. Anyone who thinks that the hispanic community responds to immigration issues based on some level of integrated wisdom has very limited grasp of hispanic emotional intelligence of US trends.

    The hispanic community especially those here illegally, understand that in order to get a pass, all they need do is echo popular sentiments. Their goal is maintain the status quo of easy access, not advance US policy agendas. Of course no one here illegally or those and there are millions who actually believe that this portion of the country was theirs wants tighter immigration policies.

    ask La Raza.

    And I am mindful of the rather cynical and bizarre ploy by many who think the country will better off by replacing blacks with foreigners despite the obvious loss of US identity they continue to push for that agenda. These people don’t give a hoot about identity, merely their comfort zone.

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  183. Truth says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    . However, when they get displaced by Guatemalans or Somalians and further screwed by the immigration invasion in plenty of other ways too, I don’t see them going out and voting for Trump. Do you?

    LOL, well now Bro, in retrospect would that have made any difference at all?

    Dude, it’s all theatre.

    You see how Camacho’s “government shutdown” is going? Are you familiar with which agency got the brunt of the layoffs?

    Department of Homeland Security.

    And which agency is responsible for keeping “undesirables” out of the country?

    OK, well you can probably draw logical conclusions from here…

  184. Truth says:
    @Audacious Epigone

    So, let me see if I understand you; you are saying that you knew that he was lying when he said he was going to “build the wall”?

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  185. Truth says:
    @MEH 0910

    Well, at least his hairstyle matches his choice of occupation.

  186. indocon says:
    @LostHopeless

    Calm down pilgrim, we are on the same side. Even if 100% immigration moratorium was out in place, you still need gates open to whitey club to get top 50%+1, your fellow left leaning whites have just gotten that crazy. I mean 45% of whites voted to put Maxine Waters in charge, think about that for a moment.

  187. Okechukwu says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    By “typical anti-immigrationist” you imply typical white person, meaning in general, most white people. My responses are in kind. We are both speaking in general terms, not absolutist terms. That was a given.

    I’ll grant my language was imprecise. There is a very loud and boisterous segment of the anti-immigration movement that is motivated by nativism, xenophobia and racism. They don’t extend their alleged goodwill toward their fellow Americans to black Americans, whom they regard as an “other” that also need to go.

    The pursuit of sensible immigration policies isn’t even a white thing. I know of at least one pressure group composed of non-white legal immigrants that lobbies against DACA and amnesty generally. As the son of legal immigrants and being familiar with the torturous obstacle course that is legal immigration to the United States, I can’t say that I’m unsympathetic to their agenda. It simply isn’t fair that some people are subjected to this grueling process while others simply walk across the border.

    It is up to you to support the claims you make. But just to prove I don’t have a visceral hatred for you, I will provide a link to a website that debunks pretty much everything you have said. Perhaps you’ve never heard of it:

    http://anepigone.blogspot.com/

    Very funny. I’d murder that clown in a debate.

  188. Okechukwu says:
    @Audacious Epigone

    Universally regarded? The average WWC is more intelligent and successful in life than the average black. Not the average working-class black, the average black, period.

    They may be more successful financially on average. Many are the beneficiaries of generational wealth and other legacies that were accrued when black people were still in chains. They also benefited post-slavery from institutionalized advantage and a system skewed absurdly in their favor. Are they more intelligent? Hell no.

    The big takeaway is that the WWC represent so much squandered potential.

    • Replies: @216
  189. 216 says:
    @Okechukwu

    Blacks in Oakland were right next door to the boom that became Silicon Valley. Stanford University was never segregated. But I can’t recall the name of a Black Silicon Don, can you? Blacks had considerable power in California politics thanks to Willie Brown, who is entirely responsible for the ascent of his mistress into the US Senate. If the Dons discriminated against blacks, why did no firms start up that employed the undervalued black techbros?

    Fertility rates among all groups were higher in the past, minimizing the distinction that “generational wealth” would confer, because it was split more ways. Blacks were also hustled out of the bodega market in their localities by predominantly South Asian immigrants with minimal generational wealth.

    Thanks to Sackler, Mexican and Chinese opioids, plenty of WWC now have worse outcomes than blacks. But strangely the dysfunctional violent crime doesn’t occur at the same rates, despite higher rates of firearms ownership.

    Your theories are maintained on the idea that there are “untapped black geniuses” and plenty of whites eating the seed corn that escape conviction thanks to racist cops covering for them. Reality doesn’t bear this out, intelligence is not distributed evenly among populations.

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  190. @Okechukwu

    You are correct sir. They really are dumb. Now watch them quote statistics at you to prove you wrong. Hardehar.

  191. @Kratoklastes

    That’s beautiful and all but your beloved little Oompa-Loompas are still not going to pay your pension.

  192. Okechukwu says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    By “typical anti-immigrationist” you imply typical white person, meaning in general, most white people. My responses are in kind. We are both speaking in general terms, not absolutist terms. That was a given

    I’ll grant you my language was imprecise. There is a very loud and boisterous segment of the anti-immigration movement that is motivated by nativism, xenophobia and racism. They don’t extend their alleged goodwill toward their fellow Americans to black Americans, whom they regard as an “other” that also need to go.

    The advocacy for sensible immigration policies isn’t even a white thing. I know of at least one pressure group composed of non-white legal immigrants that lobbies against DACA and amnesty generally. As the son of legal immigrants and being familiar with the torturous obstacle course that is legal immigration to the United States, I can’t say that I’m unsympathetic to their agenda. It simply isn’t fair that some people are subjected to this grueling process while others simply walk across the border.

  193. Okechukwu says:
    @216

    Blacks in Oakland were right next door to the boom that became Silicon Valley. Stanford University was never segregated. But I can’t recall the name of a Black Silicon Don, can you?

    Google black tech entrepreneurs or black tech innovators. The problem with you people is you always make a mad rush to attribute every instance of black under-representation to black inferiority. But that is the least plausible causal factor.

    Blacks had considerable power in California politics thanks to Willie Brown

    Power doesn’t work that way in the United States. California isn’t a banana republic. That’s as absurd as expecting the Obama presidency to lift up black people.

    Fertility rates among all groups were higher in the past, minimizing the distinction that “generational wealth” would confer

    LOL. That’s some idiotic reasoning.

    Thanks to Sackler, Mexican and Chinese opioids, plenty of WWC now have worse outcomes than blacks. But strangely the dysfunctional violent crime doesn’t occur at the same rates, despite higher rates of firearms ownership.

    Most WWC live in rural areas where the people are widely dispersed. However, with creeping urbanization crime, violence and dysfunction have ensued.

    Sex, drugs and murder in oil country

    A few years ago, the oil boom brought jobs, workers and money to Williston, N.D. But the influx of young men also brought a rise in crimes like prostitution, drug trafficking, theft, and even murder.

    https://money.cnn.com/2015/02/03/news/economy/oil-boom-crime/index.html

    Crime tracks with urbanization and increased population density. Transplant WWC to urban environments and the morgues would fill up.

    intelligence is not distributed evenly among populations.

    You may be right. I expect the most intelligent population to be found in Africa, given the rich genetic variation there.

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    , @216
  194. @Achmed E. Newman

    Yeah, ctrl-A and then ctrl-C are SOP for me for anything longer than a couple of sentences.

  195. @EliteCommInc.

    And they are of course delusional, too. When Juan takes Jamaal’s job, Jamaal doesn’t disappear. Instead, he has idle hands and no purpose. Not going to end well (at the national level–at the state and certainly the local level, of course, it can make things better, as every SWPL with an IQ over 100 understands).

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  196. @Truth

    No. I said that just as his candidacy was a referendum on a wall that the wall (or lack thereof) would be a referendum on his first term. I definitely did think we’d get something he could point to as “a big, beautiful wall”–nothing close to the full nearly 2,000 miles, but a checkered barrier in highly trafficked points that would look imposing.

    I was most confident of this in the winter and Spring of 2017. Why did he keep talking about it so much now that he was president if he didn’t intend to build it? Surely he had to realize how electorally ‘problematic’ that would be for him three years down the road if he had nothing to show for it.

  197. @Okechukwu

    To borrow from JBS Haldane, they have nothing on beetles. Those critters are, of course, the most intelligent organisms in the universe!

    • Replies: @Truth
  198. 216 says:
    @Okechukwu

    Google black tech entrepreneurs or black tech innovators. The problem with you people is you always make a mad rush to attribute every instance of black under-representation to black inferiority. But that is the least plausible causal factor.

    I did, the only figure I recognized was John W. Thompson, formerly at Symantec and currently chairman at Microsoft. The establishment would love to be able to point out successful black techbros to serve as role models.

    I’m not sure you can underestimate the power that Willie Brown held as Speaker, comparable to the power that Michael Madigan wields in Illinois currently. During Brown’s time in the legislature, some of the most aggressive civil rights and labor laws were passed in the state of California.

    LOL. That’s some idiotic reasoning.

    A lot of WWC lost their farms in the dust bowl, and farm families have normally been larger than urban families.

    As has also been pointed out by Steve Sailer, white flight due to black crime in the wake of the Civil Rights revolution was also a massive destructor of wealth. All those houses sold at a loss prevented a significant amount of “generational wealth” from being acquired.

    North Dakota has one of the lowest homicide rates. Do better.

    Density does not cause crime, rural Louisiana is more violent than urban Utah.

    You may be right. I expect the most intelligent population to be found in Africa, given the rich genetic variation there.

    Good luck

    We killed all the mammoths on our continents.

    • Replies: @Okechukwu
  199. Truth says:
    @Audacious Epigone

    It’s all theatre my friend, the two sides of the party are in cahoots, there was never going to be any wall, or any abatement of immigration. Why would a man who’s business depends upon cheap, easily replaceable labor, and of selling unattainable dreams (casinos) to those without money, want to build a wall?

    Basically, my gut feeling is that this is all set up for an impeachment or resignation to get the vice-wierdo into office. And he’s well upon his way.

    • Replies: @216
    , @Audacious Epigone
  200. 216 says:
    @Truth

    Trump hasn’t been involved with casinos since 2009.

    Most of his business is owning real estate and collecting rents. His problem is that he wants wealthy foreign tenants, not so much that Mar-a-Lago and some golf courses employ cheap foreigners.

    Australia

    If the public wants it, and keeps the pressure on, the government will slash immigration. But typically when the economy recovers, anti-immigration sentiment dissipates. The remarkable thing is that during a time of relative prosperity, we are still politically relevant.

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  201. Okechukwu says:
    @216

    I did, the only figure I recognized was John W. Thompson, formerly at Symantec and currently chairman at Microsoft. The establishment would love to be able to point out successful black techbros to serve as role models.

    There a lot more, many doing groundbreaking stuff.

    How a New Generation of Black Entrepreneurs Built Atlanta’s Hot Startup Scene

    https://www.inc.com/magazine/201902/cameron-albert-deitch/atlanta-georgia-black-entrepreneurs-networking-mailchimp-2018-surge-cities.html

    Black Tech Entrepreneur Inks Deal With Apple

    https://newsone.com/3759989/black-robotics-entrepreneur-lands-deal-with-apple/

    This is just the very tip of the iceberg. Even Africa is becoming a giant tech hub, with Big Tech making a beeline there to take advantage of the tremendous intellectual capital there.

    I’m not sure you can underestimate the power that Willie Brown held as Speaker, comparable to the power that Michael Madigan wields in Illinois currently. During Brown’s time in the legislature, some of the most aggressive civil rights and labor laws were passed in the state of California.

    Brown was just a Speaker. Stop embarrassing yourself.

    A lot of WWC lost their farms in the dust bowl, and farm families have normally been larger than urban families.

    And they produced their own food to support those families.

    As has also been pointed out by Steve Sailer, white flight due to black crime in the wake of the Civil Rights revolution was also a massive destructor of wealth. All those houses sold at a loss prevented a significant amount of “generational wealth” from being acquired.

    Sailer’s a racist. Only the likes of you would expect factual information from such a person.

    North Dakota has one of the lowest homicide rates. Do better.

    In North Dakota you can drive 40 miles without ever seeing another human being. How exactly is crime supposed to happen in such an environment? You can’t have street crime where there are no streets. However, in urbanizing municipalities like Williston, ND crime is rampant. It’s a simple function of the WWC there being closer together.

    Density does not cause crime, rural Louisiana is more violent than urban Utah.

    One Mormon outlier does not obviate the reams and reams of data that indicate, conclusively, that urbanization and crime go hand in hand. WWC urban neighborhoods like Hell’s Kitchen were hotbeds of crime until gentrification started to calm things down in the 1980’s.

    We killed all the mammoths on our continents.

    Right. Africans were smart enough to preserve their animals, being aware of the natural balance they provide.

    • Replies: @216
    , @Audacious Epigone
  202. Truth says:
    @Jim Christian

    You and old-ass fart, Jimbo. Don’t worry about it.

  203. 216 says:
    @Okechukwu

    Right. Africans were smart enough to preserve their animals, being aware of the natural balance they provide.

    Wrong. Superior African intelligence led to both the domestication of the elephant and the rhinoceros.

    • Replies: @Okechukwu
    , @TWS
  204. Okechukwu says:
    @216

    Wrong. Superior African intelligence led to both the domestication of the elephant and the rhinoceros.

    You present further confirmation of what I said earlier — that half of you people are dumber than a back of rocks.

    African animals are at the peak of evolutionary perfection. They’re undomesticable. The Cape buffalo ain’t no water buffalo, bro. An African elephant ain’t no Asian elephant. A zebra ain’t no horse. And rhino? LOL. You are truly one stupid motherfucker.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  205. 216 says:

    They’re undomesticable

    lol

    https://www.theguardian.com/notesandqueries/query/0,5753,-1775,00.html

    You are truly one stupid motherfucker.

    What can I say, we are the real wretched of the earth, not the sacred objects of modernity like you.

  206. @216

    Indeed, that what buoys my hopes. Wait until the crash comes. You’re not going to have to wait long!

  207. @Truth

    Why would he have run for the president in the first place, though? Hard to see how this has been good for his business–or that of his children.

    • Replies: @Truth
  208. @Okechukwu

    This is just the very tip of the iceberg. Even Africa is becoming a giant tech hub, with Big Tech making a beeline there to take advantage of the tremendous intellectual capital there.

    Wakanda is imminent.

    • Replies: @216
  209. @Okechukwu

    It is important to distinguish between taming and domesticated. A lot of African big game has been tamed but they haven’t been bred over time to the point of being domesticated. That they have not been is not likely evidence that they cannot be, only that it is difficult to do so–a lot of that has to do with climate and the number of predators big game in Africa has to deal with. Otoh, house cats aren’t really domesticated, either. Tamed animals can still be used.

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    , @Stan d Mute
  210. 216 says:
    @Audacious Epigone

    Apple wants you to work for a company that “reflects the whole wide world”—except Africa

    https://qz.com/work/1432024/apple-says-its-represents-the-world-but-has-no-offices-in-africa/

    Tim Cook must pay the danegeld.

    Africa embraces Huawei despite security concerns

    https://www.theeastafrican.co.ke/business/Africa-embraces-Huawei-despite-security-concerns/2560-4908166-15t6impz/index.html

    You see the Chinese respect Africa. Not like the arrogant supremacist Westerners.

  211. Okechukwu says:
    @Audacious Epigone

    It is important to distinguish between taming and domesticated. A lot of African big game has been tamed but they haven’t been bred over time to the point of being domesticated. That they have not been is not likely evidence that they cannot be

    Yes, there is a distinction. But not all animals can be tamed or domesticated. Someone like Kevin Richardson who rolls around on the grass with lions will tell you that those lions are never tame, and he fully accepts that he can be killed at any moment.

    Upon European colonial incursion into Africa, they tried to tame or domesticate zebras. Zebras were ideal. They were resistant to the tsetse fly diseases which were fatal to horses. But all such attempts failed. Most of the images in your link represent gimmicks and stunts. Zebras never provided a viable transportation solution.

    Nobody would be crazy enough to try to tame or domesticate cape buffaloes, rhinos or hippos. So no such attempts were ever made. African Elephants can be partially tamed, but the danger they pose makes it impractical.

    Otoh, house cats aren’t really domesticated, either.

    True. The only thing that prevents house cats from killing their owners is the size differential. They do attack, but they don’t have the size and tools to attack fatally.

  212. Truth says:
    @Audacious Epigone

    It’s not a matter of being good, or not good, for his business, although I don’t see how being “ex-President Donald Trump” could possibly be bad for the world’s best self-marketer, which is what he is.

    The point is that he has spent his entire life with one demographic. His father was wealthy and got so by maintaining apartments in Brooklyn, his grandfather owned flophouses in Seattle. He was born with the rich, raised with the rich, attended private schools and the Ivy league with the rich, all of his “friends” and business partners are rich and so forth. If Trump were to read this site, he’d think it was as funny as I do because he’s just as much an outsider. Trump is a “continental” not an American. He is just able to disguise it a little better with his lack of class and New York accent. If the guy were from Connecticut he wouldn’t be president.

    The rich make their money from the poor and middle class, so his mindset from birth has been “the more the merrier” and this nonsense is all an act.

  213. @Audacious Epigone

    I can only assume here that you are attempting to tame the Trolls. Good luck. They have been here for years and haven’t had a single original thought nor acknowledged a single HBD fact. I can only see your replies, but somehow my psychic powers inform me I’ve read everything that they’ve written a dozen times before over the years I have been here. Sadly, your replies themselves are giving me a sense of deja vu all over again as well.

    Can Ron wield his coding magic and allow me to ignore replies to Trolls on my ignore list?

  214. TWS says:
    @obwandiyag

    They think it is turnabout is fair play and to the extent they notice they are gleeful about it. They may not like Hispanics on their res but the rest of the country deserves to be overrun.

    Also, they cannot imagine a functioning world without whites on top so see it as a bugaboo to scare the rubes. How could the country change?

  215. TWS says:
    @Audacious Epigone

    Those that want folks, ‘high but not too close’ have a visceral distaste of the other. They cannot see their fault.

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