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The following table and map show estimated mean IQ by state from 2019 NAEP mathematics and reading results among non-Hispanic white eighth grade public school students. Estimates are computed by averaging mathematics and reading scores and then converting them to IQ scores assuming a national average IQ of 98 96 and a standard deviation of 15. One drawback is that these estimates do not account for the 10% of the school-age population either being homeschooled or attending private school:

State IQ
1) Washington DC 111.8
2) New Jersey 104.4
DoDEA 104.1
3) Massachusetts 103.6
4) Connecticut 103.0
5) Maryland 102.8
6) Colorado 101.8
7) Wisconsin 101.6
8) Minnesota 101.5
9) California 101.0
10) Arizona 101.0
11) Washington 100.8
12) Ohio 100.8
T13) North Carolina 100.8
T13) Pennsylvania 100.8
15) Illinois 100.4
16) Virginia 100.4
17) Utah 100.2
T18) Georgia 100.2
T18) New York 100.2
20) Nebraska 100.2
T21) Idaho 100.0
T21) Indiana 100.0
23) Rhode Island 99.9
24) Florida 99.8
25) South Dakota 99.8
26) Delaware 99.4
27) Texas 99.3
28) Hawaii 99.2
29) South Carolina 99.2
30) Wyoming 99.2
31) North Dakota 99.2
T32) Montana 98.8
T32) New Hampshire 98.8
T32) Vermont 98.8
35) Oregon 98.6
T36) Kansas 98.6
T36) Mississippi 98.6
38) Nevada 98.4
39) Tennessee 98.4
40) Michigan 98.2
41) Alaska 98.2
42) Louisiana 98.0
43) Missouri 98.0
44) Iowa 97.8
45) Maine 97.6
46) New Mexico 97.6
47) Arkansas 97.4
48) Kentucky 97.0
49) Oklahoma 96.8
50) Alabama 95.4
51) West Virginia 93.2

Astute observers will notice that most states–and an even larger share of the entire country’s tested white population–average higher than 100. Since most IQ tests are normed by setting the white mean at 100, this suggests the average IQ of the US–at least the average IQ of its 14 year-olds–is 96, not 98. Since the previous post assumed a national average of 98, though, the same assumption is made here.

The dastardly racial gap we hear so much is especially pronounced in DC, where Cloud People continue to push poor blacks out of the city. While the rest of the country is becoming less white, DC is whitening. Funny that.

 
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  1. Thomm says:

    Keep in mind that white IQ is bimodal.

    The functional majority of the white race has an average IQ of 105.

    But we have a unique feature in the white race, where all the negative traits concentrate into a subpopulation and turns them into a wastematter tier, in order to facilitate rapid removal of this from the gene p0ol. This comprises 20% of all whites. This tier has an IQ of just about 70.

    Even illustrious white parents can produce a wastebasket offspring, as the emergence of these carriers appears quite at random. This is necessary to make sure all the waste gets precipitated out. Other races don’t have this advantage, which is why they can’t keep expunging their waste as efficiently as we do.

    The men of this wastematter tier become White Trashionalists. The women of this wastematter tier become fat bluehaired feminists.

    Hence, fixating on median White IQ makes little sense, given this bimodal reality.

  2. indocon says:

    Moynihan’s Law really doesn’t apply when you only look at whites. Arizona’s relatively higher ranking is surprising, maybe it’s attracting all the child bearing age couples from California.

  3. Why is the DC IQ for whites so high (~+1 SD)? Is it ((()))) or something else?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  4. These really are nice tries at the same gambit. It doesn’t take very deep thinking to comprehend that educational institutions among whites have a much linger history and better environments than most other populations.

    You cannot get to where you want to go, in these comparisons, unless you isolate skin colors among similar environments, not merely isolating the upper tiers of more conducive environments. It’s hard because that’s what ti takes.

    take white johnny raised in X environment

    take brown johnny raised in X environment

    take black johnny raised in X environment

    take yellow johnny raised in X environment

    I took at a look at the source reference here. I didn’t bother on the previous, but there needs to be further explication because the reference does not break out according to skin color or gender.

    Similar circumstance and environments as possible provide the same testing and then make observations and implications of the results. But if one is arguing for an innate trait of superior the comparisons provided, including the fourth grade reading level assessments where blacks are lowr than whites by 40 plus points.

  5. @Thomm

    Lol, ok chunky dork with an Asian wife.

  6. Svevlad says:
    @Thomm

    I’d say it occurs in everyone, except in different ratios

    Blacks are opposite (majority bad, minority good), australoids are the worst in that regard. Directly correlates to amount and severity of malthusian events (gargantuan disease load in blacks and geoclimatic conditions in australoids prevented overpopulation from ever occuring) while in Europe and Asia such conditions were relaxed (despite having cold winters). So you have a good chunk of collapses in both Europe and Asia (bronze age collapse, black death etc etc) to kill of the garbage while elsewhere such things didn’t (and couldn’t occur)

    If we cut off all imports to africa and just quarantined the place I think that it would result in such an event severe enough to bring them up to at least middle east levels

  7. Realist says:

    But we have a unique feature in the white race, where all the negative traits concentrate into a subpopulation and turns them into a wastematter tier, in order to facilitate rapid removal of this wastematter from the gene p0ol.

    Citation?

    Are you claiming to be White?

  8. @Thomm

    You need to go listen to all of Edward Dutton’s back catalog, it will help you articulate your point better.

  9. Anonymous[217] • Disclaimer says:

    If DC whites are so high, does that mean the white average is really high in other select cities and towns, such as Boston, Manhattan, Cambridge, San Francisco, Seattle, Hanover, and Palo Alto?

    I wonder if we look at only cities and towns, which one has the highest white average? What about non-whites? Which city or town has the highest IQ blacks, hispanics, asians, and natives?

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  10. I remember growing up when Iowa proclaimed it had the highest literacy rate in the nation. Maybe so but decades of having half their college graduates move out of state within 5 years of graduation has not helped their scores. Sad.

  11. @indocon

    Moynihan’s Law really doesn’t apply when you only look at whites

    That’s true, because there’s been a big shift of white elites towards progressive high-income states with “nextgen/tech economies” (California, Washington state) or states with a lot of federal bureaucracy(D.C., NoVa, Maryland). This follows from the fact that white college-educated elites have become much more liberal in recent decades. So their kids will reflect this sociological pattern with their geographic pattern, hence the concentration in elite blue states.

    Moynihan’s law is probably still true in the full aggregate, because these white elites are being dragged down by their much dumber NAMs, so North Dakota comes out looking better in relative terms when you include everyone.

    • Agree: Hail
  12. @Thomm

    The functional majority of the white race has an average IQ of 105.

    You say that a lot. Can you provide studies in regards to this?

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Thomm
  13. @Thomm

    “The men of this wastematter tier become White Trashionalists.”

    According to this study (scroll down to the graphs on p. 17), a majority of the people who identify as Alt-Right report living in long-term relationships, and 42 percent report having incomes of $75,000+ a year:

    A Psychological Profile of the Alt-Right

    https://psyarxiv.com/c9uvw

    This looks like a functional and competent population to me.

    • Replies: @neutral
    , @Anon
    , @Thomm
  14. neutral says:
    @advancedatheist

    Now compare this to India, where this “Thomm” comes from.

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
  15. @Thomm

    Tremendous sense of humor, hope somebody gets your drift. For real, indeed there is some indications that the “North Western European descend people´´(sic and TheOccidentalObserver), are not quite as homogeneous as it is understood by convention here at unz.com. Neither are per country groups, neither are the classes.

    That might be just the angle that stings, somehow from below, the undesirables, the deplorables, the self educated, the outliers, something that makes sense might float up(fat floats on water).

    Another observation to stay in your original line of petulant annotation, there is simply too little difference in what can be considered the power elites and the “blue haired trash´´. The power elites are just good enough to contain the latter, not at the least original as to envision any kind of future beyond half a generation(regardless for whom, be it their own) that also would make sense.

    Thanks for your zip.

  16. Anon[186] • Disclaimer says:
    @advancedatheist

    US GDP per capita is about $60K.

    $75K is not much. That’s about how much truck drivers for Walmart make:

    https://money.cnn.com/2015/10/09/news/economy/truck-driver-shortage/index.html

    So according to your study, 58% of the Alt-Right make less than Walmart truck drivers.

  17. Anonymous[142] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonwatcher

    DC does have a relatively high Jewish population.

    Most whites in DC are lawyers, upper level bureaucrats, diplomats, lobbyists, think tank academics, etc. Postgrad education is the norm or a prerequisite for most of these jobs.

    • Replies: @Hail
  18. @Anon

    That’s not a good example, though, truck drivers are – as in your article – well-paid due to shortage. That’s higher than the average college graduate.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/15/college-grads-expect-to-earn-60000-in-their-first-job—-few-do.html

  19. Anonymous[329] • Disclaimer says:

    I don’t believe average white IQ can be that high in America. In Europe the highest IQ countries are the Germanic countries and the UK at about 100. The majority of European countries are in the mid to low 90s.

    If these stats are correct then that means that the average white IQ in America is significantly higher than it is in Europe, I don’t see how that can be the case. I actually wonder if the average IQs of all races have been deliberately inflated to keep the US up in the IQ ranks and make it look as if blacks, Mexicans, etc, have white-level IQs ie 90+.

  20. Anon[330] • Disclaimer says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    Those are entry level salaries for college grads.

    Average entry level salary for college grad is around $50K.

    Average entry level salary for comp sci college grad is a little over $70K.

    https://www.shrm.org/resourcesandtools/hr-topics/compensation/pages/average-starting-salary-for-recent-college-grads.aspx

  21. @Thomm

    There is a village idiot type of white person. I associate this with mid South, possibly one seed of Albion, not usually discussed. Of course that is a stereotype. Duh. They are a subset in their region.

  22. One drawback is that these estimates do not account for the 10% of the school-age population either being homeschooled or attending private school:

    I haven’t seen any of the 19 comments so far take this into account. I’d figure there’d be at least a 5 point higher average but likely 10 for private school students. Their parents are likely to be the smarter ones in order to send their kids to private schools (in the South it WAS quite different, as, just after segregation, white kids were sent there en masse, so long as the parents had any kind of money.)

    In the case of the homeschoolers, I’m not gonna say they’re necessarily smarter, but they’ll come out with so much less indoctrination of the Globo-homo agenda, that they are bound to be wiser and better people on average.

    This 10% could bring the average up a point or so – not very significant, but not negligible either.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  23. @indocon

    Moynihan’s Law really doesn’t apply when you only look at whites.

    That was the whole point of Moynihan’s “Law”. He was insinuating “the whiter, the better”, as the upper plains and prairie and New England, and the Pacific Northwest, for that matter, were all extremely white back then. (That was a long time ago.)

  24. Anon[378] • Disclaimer says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    Previously someone at Unz mentioned that the 2013 ethnic groups ACT performance reports were available on certain ACT site. It seemed to have been there for ages. There were no special conditions to download them. Just a single click for each reports. A few days after that the reports disappeared. If you know any high school principals you might be able to get those. Anyhow the histogram for the MathWhite+ group is bimodal, with the lower modal value at ACT=16 (IQlike=86.1), the upper modal at ACT=24 (IQlike=108.8). This could be due to the admixture with the Hispanics or Blacks and self identified as “White”.

    Or due to the “No Child Left Behind” policy, those poor performaing students were pushed to higher ACT scores.

    By pushing those on the left hand tails to the right, the further to the left the harder the push. Instaed of the bell shape distribution, the resulting distribution could be become bimodal.

    2013 MathWhite+
    | Freq ACT IQLike
    |# 3041 12 74.8
    |##### 11877 13 77.6
    |############### 30435 14 80.5
    |##################################### 75891 15 83.3
    |######################################################### 114401 16 86.1
    |################################################### 103590 17 89.0
    |##################################### 74512 18 91.8
    |################################# 67939 19 94.6
    |######################## 48429 20 97.5
    |############################## 60640 21 100.3
    |################################ 65366 22 103.1
    |####################################### 78271 23 105.9
    |########################################## 85843 24 108.8
    |######################################### 82344 25 111.6
    |##################################### 75647 26 114.4
    |############################### 63394 27 117.3
    |####################### 46908 28 120.1
    |############## 29365 29 122.9
    |########## 21943 30 125.8
    |####### 14430 31 128.6
    |####### 14995 32 131.4
    |##### 11880 33 134.2
    |####### 14740 34 137.1
    |### 7501 35 139.9
    |## 4278 36 142.7

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  25. I notice that there was an earlier post on IQ by state, and now there is this post about WHITE IQ by state. Good thing for you, AE, that I’m not a snitch because I could have reported this as racism.

  26. Daniel H says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    >>That’s not a good example, though, truck drivers are – as in your article – well-paid due to shortage. That’s higher than the average college graduate.

    Truck drivers are not well paid – I am a truck driver – Walmart/FedEx/UPs are outliers. I am heartned that they are raising salaries, but the mean salary for OTR truckers hovers around 40-45k per year, this for a job that essentially requires you to work 14 hours per day, 6 days per week. Shitty job.

  27. @Anon

    Learn how to read bar graphs. Alt-Right voters differ little from both Trump voters and non-Trump voters in terms of income. This makes them surprisingly ordinary, not defective “white trashionalists.”

  28. Not Raul says:

    1. The bottom 4 are no surprise.
    2. The fact that the whites get dumber when you cross the border from California to Oregon or Nevada is something I’ve noticed from my own experience.
    3. Whites in New Jersey seem pretty smart to me, too, and I’ve mainly socialized or worked there with Cubans and Italians.

  29. @Daniel Chieh

    “That’s not a good example, though, truck drivers are – as in your article – well-paid due to shortage.”

    “Shortage” is both an over simplification of a much more complex issue, or an outright myth, depending on what exactly we’re talking about.

    “Truck drivers” are not all the same, and do not get paid the same as other trucker drivers, or as other types of employees. OTR trucking and intermodal trucking pay has been stagnant for almost 20 years, and in the cases of owner/operators, went into somewhat of a decline due to the rise in vehicle, insurance, registration, maintenance, and diesel costs since the mid 2000’s.

    Further, assuming that the salaries cited in the article are based on a standard, 40 hour work week, then they do not accurately reflect truck drivers. In my direct experience, semi truck drivers that only work 40 hours a week represent a very small minority, as in less than 10%. The average work day for a regional or OTR truck driver is closer to 11 hours, but probably higher (OTR drivers can legally log 14 hours of “in service” per day and up to 70 service hours a week, regional drivers can legally log 60 hours per week with a 34 hour reset). Local commercial drivers work on average of 10 hours a day. Drivers paid by the mile or paid a percentage of the load cartage cost do not get paid any type of overtime. So $75k seems great, until you add up all the hours that are being worked in order to obtain that number. The average annual income for a new truck driver is closer to $40k, and he is working 60 hour weeks to get it.

    That said, there are truck driving jobs that can earn in the neighborhood of $100k, but that takes lots of time and experiences to achieve.

  30. @Daniel H

    Even back in 2017, I’ve always heard from a local trucker that he was being paid 70k, and would be making a lot more once he owned the truck fully himself. Sorry to hear about your situation – can I ask your state? I’m in Texas.

  31. @MikeatMikedotMike

    Thanks for the details. I do agree that the numbers might be high, but it rarely accounts for the sheer number of hours worked. I should add that’s similar in the software industry, where logging 60 hours of work weekly is not atypical and it is to be done with “joy.” The Chinese 9-9-6 insanity seems to be gradually being normalized in the US my experience.

  32. Thomm says:
    @advancedatheist

    According to this study (scroll down to the graphs on p. 17), a majority of the people who identify as Alt-Right report living in long-term relationships, and 42 percent report having incomes of $75,000+ a year:

    The ‘Alt-Right’ studied in that report is actually the manosphere.

    Very recently, the term has been distorted in order to shift it onto WNs. Hence the confusion.

    Don’t listen to WNs like ‘neutral’. Their delusion about people like me being Jews/Chinese/South Asians are just a pain-avoidance mechanism since they don’t want to accept that they are wastematter that functional whites like me make sure doesn’t have access to respectable white society.

    • Replies: @iffen
  33. Thomm says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    You say that a lot. Can you provide studies in regards to this?

    Why do you doubt the 105 IQ number? Strip out the wastematter tier, and that is what we’ve got. All evidence supports it.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  34. @Thomm

    I don’t have any great feelings one way or another. I just want to see where you got your studies from.

  35. Anonymous[921] • Disclaimer says:

    What’s the deal with West Virginia? Can it be saved?

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
  36. Tick Tock says:

    My IQ studiers who I guess claim to be academics or intellectuals appear to be studying the wrong group. In my humble opinion the only way to get a true measure of an individuals IQ if there is such a thing, would be to measure the IQ at a much earlier age than 14. Even 10 years old may be too late and tests given to children in early elementry school might be the least biased. The use of a test alone is already a problem and honest people will admit to the limitations and incaccuracies of a written test. Nonetheless, it is the only way to screen a large number of students. The idea that high IQ occur in Washington, DC and the North Eastern US is nonsense. It simply reflects test bias and social behavior of forcing children to have their nose in a book, as well as the fact that for most humans cold weather sucks so being inside reading or doing puzzles is better than freezing your ass outside.

    We all know that hispanics on average are less likely to do something creative in science and techology than whites. Blacks are less likely than Hispanics. Asians are the same as the DC and Northeast Whites, forced to keep their nose in a book, play puzzles and most certainly are outsiders still in American Primary and Secondary Schools. How many Asians are on any of the High School Sport teams? My guess without even looking is very few. So the arguments about IQ are not fundamentally different than arguments about whether the Earth is round or flat. We already know the answer. You can do whatever measurements you want and analyze it an infinte number of ways but the facts are already know. The history of humanity has shown that.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  37. @Anon

    Thanks. I’m going to check around, I actually used to have access to such as I was involved in education and if this is a generalized pattern, we should see it in other standardized exams as well.

  38. Realist says:
    @Thomm

    But we have a unique feature in the white race, where all the negative traits concentrate into a subpopulation and turns them into a wastematter tier, in order to facilitate rapid removal of this wastematter from the gene p0ol.

    Citation?

    Are you claiming to be White?

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
  39. @Tick Tock

    Even 10 years old may be too late and tests given to children in early elementry school might be the least biased. The use of a test alone is already a problem and honest people will admit to the limitations and incaccuracies of a written test

    That wouldn’t really be all that useful. What is the IQ of an infant? What is the running speed of an infant? Does this accurately measure the IQ(or running speed) of the individual at 10? At 20? At 90?

    The best that you can do is to try to find an age where major brain development has been completed, and then measure from there. The 8th graders are probably okay, though it’ll be obviously ideal if you could also measure it again at 20, 25, 35, and so on.

    I’ve never felt that IQ is a perfect measure, but I think it is adequate enough; insofar as “written” and “puzzles” go, it would seem to have a decent measure of performance. Probably the most dangerous concept entertained in your post is the idea that we “know the answer.” That’s a good way to end with erroneous conclusions if you start with assumptions of validity.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  40. iffen says:
    @Thomm

    Stop shitting on my lawn, faggot!

  41. @Anonymous

    WV has been brain-drained for generations; anyone with IQ or initiative has been getting out of there for quite some time.  What remains is, understandably, selected for neither IQ nor initiative.

    The territory is what it was but the people aren’t.  Replace ’em and start over.

  42. @Realist

    Ignore him.  He’s culturally (and perhaps genetically) predisposed to see Dalits wherever he goes.

    • Troll: Sam Coulton
    • Replies: @Realist
  43. Realist says:
    @Mr. Rational

    Ignore him. He’s culturally (and perhaps genetically) predisposed to see Dalits wherever he goes.

    Perhaps he is one himself.

    • Troll: Sam Coulton
  44. Anonymous[217] • Disclaimer says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I don’t know about Americans, but they looked at UK IQ scores and found a 12 point difference between state school and independent school kids.

    So the state school kids were at or just below 100 and the independent school kids were at 111 or 112. Obviously the school dropout and truant kids that the lowest IQ scores, but were not around to take the test.

    So let’s assume that in America, public school = 100ish, private school = 112ish, and dropouts = very low.

    As for the homeschooled kids, they tend towards high mean, low standard deviation. The smartest kids are going to be found at select private schools. But if you’re looking for a homogeneous group of conservative white Christian kids with ok IQs but not spectactular, look at the homeschoolers. Lots of 100-110 kids there.

    Keep in mind, homeschooling calls for high IQ demands on the mother. Because in most homeschooling families, the mother tutors the kids while the father earns money to support the kids’ lifestyle. A good homeschool mother should be smarter and more educated than a public school teacher. A public school teacher only needs to understand the subject she/he teachers. But a good homeschool mother either needs a very rich husband who can hire all the specialized subject tutors, or be smart enough herself to teach math, english, science, history, foreign language, life skills, art, music, etc.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  45. Hail says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    One problem with this comment is the “lawyers, upper level bureaucrats, diplomats” (etc.) do not send their children to public schools in the District of Columbia. So something a little more puzzling may be going on.

    The District of Columbia proper is also as low, today, as 1/10th the population of its metro area; the metro area is definitely much less White than it was. E.g., the number of immigrants in Northern Virginia (population: several times that of the borders-set-in-1790-District of Columbia) has tipped that state into California status, Red–>Blue.

    To those saying Washington DC is getting Whiter — more properly stated, it is getting less Black, but it is akin to one-neighborhood gentrification. Putting one-neighborhood data against data for an entire city is problematic, and so is putting one select part of a metro area against entire other metro areas or states.

  46. Hail says: • Website

    On the sample size for DC students — The NAEP website says 10.67% of the DC students it tested in 2016-17 were White (their most recent data).

    Using enrollment numbers at DCPS.dc.gov’s student demographics page, we see there were likely something like 100 to 150 White 8th graders in DC public schools who took the NAEP test.

    (The number of eighth graders in DC Public Schools is consistently much lower than the number of elementary schoolers. Almost all the 8th graders are those turning age 14 within +/- six months of NAEP testing, which is in Feb.; the much-larger elementary school cohort is ages 5 to 11.

    The large and consistent fall-off in enrollment numbers between age 5-11 and age 14 suggests that many White families withdraw their children from DC public schools around late elementary school or before middle school starts at age 11 [students usually turn 12 during their first year of middle school].

    The number of eighth-graders enrolled in DCPS in school year 2017-18 was 2,176, much lower than the 3,882 fourth-graders; the NAEP’s 10.67% White * DCPS’ 2,176 student figure yields 232 White students, but given that four-in-ten of all students withdraw from DCPS by or before middle school, we would surely expect these to be disproportionately White, so thinned ranks of Whites by 8th grade. I’d expect maybe closer to 100 than 200. A ‘100’ would imply a 4.6%-White DCPS 8th grade, which may be realistic.)

    So this DC White Adolescent IQ estimate is based on a tiny sample. As those whose stock-in-trade is statistics and data know, tiny sample sizes are risky to base conclusions on, as they are subject to various distortions. We need to attach some error bars here.

  47. 216 says: • Website

    Near topic

    Interesting thread to visit.

    The leftist Army officer is the typical liberal academic, denying any of our rights of self-determination; and instead creating the narrative that this country is liberalism and only more liberalism.

    This is where the typical conservative’s worship of the military comes back to bite them in the ass. The military is the one place where multikult can work, because it is a strict meritocracy (at least for enlisted) and dissent is not permitted by design. Admission is also restricted by an IQ test.

    Liberals are very good at lionizing the superior moral qualities of individual immigrants, as Staff Officer does here, while ignoring the blatant fact of the Ukrainian-Jewish Lt. Col’s rank insubordination rooted in his ethno-religious origins.

    The military’s exalted status in cotemporary US society is mostly the product of conservatives who want to see a vision of the idealized Old America (which demographically is mostly correct in Special Operations and Combat Arms).

    But the institution is run by true believers in multikult and GayPride, and will inevitably be defending a perma-left government that wants us demographically nullified.

    It’s time to become unpatriotic.

    • Replies: @Hail
  48. Hail says: • Website
    @216

    the blatant fact of the Ukrainian-Jewish Lt. Col’s rank insubordination rooted in his ethno-religious origins

    insubordination

    Some would dare call it Treason.

    Even that term (treason) is not quite right, because the sneering, supercilious foreigner Vindman is more employing the classic strategy Curt Doolittle calls Jewish Diasporic Ethics.

    • Replies: @216
  49. 216 says: • Website
    @Hail

    We’re dealing with people that describe us in the worst sort of orientalism.

    We are never allowed anything, not even our own history.

  50. @Anonymous

    On that last paragraph, it sure would help to have somebody around who can explain a little algebra and geometry (it’s hard to learn math just from reading, IMO). However, once you get the kids reading, there’s a whole lot they can learn on their own with just a little direction from the Mom. Also, they can learn in 4 hours more than the government-school kids do in a 7-hour school day.

    • Agree: Daniel Chieh
    • Replies: @Anonymous
  51. Anonymous[217] • Disclaimer says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    This is problematic as the highest IQ women don’t usually homeschool their kids. They send them to private school, or an exam public school.

    The women who most want to homeschool their kids are conservative white Christian women, who are just a little above average in IQ, but not smart enough to be high school teachers.

    These mothers do fine as homeschool teachers until their kids reach age 12-14, then they need a teacher who can do advanced algebra, calculus, high level science, foreign language, etc.

    The average woman is already at a slight disadvantage to the average man in scientific knowledge. It’s even worse for conservative Christians. Their kids end up being very well behaved, nice, respectful, and hardworking, but only educated in English, history, sometimes foreign language. They lag behind in math and even further behind in science.

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  52. Dannyboy says:

    Washington DC is not a State and never has been. The Imperial Capitol is essentially a shithole where greedy perverted political animals and their priveligrd Leftist brats reside for parts of the year. [Expletives] generally inhabit the outskirts.

  53. @Anonymous

    These mothers do fine as homeschool teachers until their kids reach age 12-14, then they need a teacher who can do advanced algebra, calculus, high level science, foreign language, etc.

    For a lot of that, there’s Khan Academy.  Homeschool groups can hire teachers for the advanced subjects.  Mom can also study along with the kids.

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  54. @Mr. Rational

    I just got back to this thread, Mr. R., and that was going to be my reply almost word-for-word. I checked back and see you weren’t on the thread under Ron Paul’s month-ago post Homeschoolers Are Educated, Not Indoctrinated. This Anon sounds somewhat like one of those naysayers on that thread that just doesn’t want children away from the government for too long (I hope I’m wrong – maybe it’s a bad assumption).

    I got into a big argument with a Statist fool named Peter Harris. His ilk will come up with any excuse to make sure that parents release their children early enough into the indoctrination camps, … errr, government … errr, public schools.

    BTW, Dr. Paul is getting many more comments now. That can’t be bad, even if the commenters get a whole lot wrong!

  55. @Anonymous

    Good question. It looks like the NAEP does some limited tracking of this.

  56. @Daniel H

    Why the discrepancy? That looks pretty substantial for what I’d guess from the outside looking in is pretty much the same job. Unless it’s hard to get on at WalMart, why wouldn’t truckers making $45k switch over to make $75k?

  57. @MikeatMikedotMike

    Disregard my question Daniel. Thanks, Mike.

  58. @Daniel Chieh

    NAEP tests 4th, 8th, and 12th graders.

    The reason I elect to use 8th grade results is because they are the closest to goldilocks. With 4th graders, different rates of development are a big issue. There is still some of that with 8th graders, though not as much. With 12th graders, on the other hand, dropouts confound things. There is probably a little bit of that among 8th graders, but far less than with would-be high school seniors.

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