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Presuming an average national IQ of 98 led to estimates for mean white IQ by state that appeared to be too high. Instead of norming at 100, the results normed 102.

The US mean score of 98 was taken from the compilations of Lynn and Vanhanen. Their data is a over a generation old now, and the demographic composition of the US has changed in the intervening decades. Assuming a national estimate of 96 yields mean IQ estimates from equally weighted NAEP mathematics and reading scores among public school 8th graders as follows:

Race IQ
Asians 106.7
Whites 99.8
Hispanics 91.2
American Indians 89.8
Blacks 88.0

That fits quite nicely with the general consensus among intelligence researchers, so 96 is the US mean IQ estimate that will be used in subsequent posts drawn from NAEP data.

 
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  1. Lot says:

    I’d call this “extrapolated one-source estimate of IQ.”

    Naep isn’t an attempt at measuring intelligence, and has a poorer, unrepresentative selection due to excluding private school students. It also likely understates non-H white IQ since they are more likely to go to private schools.

    You can see this in the smaller B-W and larger A-W gaps.

  2. Anonymous[149] • Disclaimer says:

    The average white IQ in the US is not likely to be more than 100, considering the highest IQ nations in Europe are the Germanic nations and the UK and they only have average IQs of 100, most of Europe is in the mid to low 90s.

    Considering a large percentage of the US white population originate from these lower IQ white nations, I’d say an overall average of 100 is a pretty good result all things considered. I’m surprised that the US black IQ is as high as 88 too, which means that US blacks are only marginally less intelligent than Southern Europeans.

    • Replies: @Hail
  3. Compare that to Lynn’s 2018 data:

    A few comments:

    – “Hispanics” in the USA are not really less intelligent than Southern Europeans.

    – “Asians” in the USA perform just as well as Asians in East Asia, meaning the idea that the USA receives the “trash” of Asia is unjustified.

    – Southern “Whites” in the USA are not really that much more intelligent than Hispanic-Americans, and possibly less intelligent than Mexican Americans (“Hispanics” in the USA includes a lot of Caribbean Blacks)

    – Amerindians are not less intelligent than Southern Europeans, deapite vastly inferior living conditions, health, and nutrition on reservations in the USA, meaning the idea that Southern European admixture elevated the intelligence if Native Americans in Mexico is unjustified.

    • Agree: John Arthur
    • Replies: @BlackFlag
    , @Jay Fink
  4. Additional remarks:

    – The high performance of New Jersey, Massachusetts and Connecticut are almost certainly due to widespread Jewish admixture in those states. Anyone who has been around these people knows they are massively Jewish admixed.

    – The unexpectedly high performance of Colorado is most likely due to the heavy Jewish presence in Denver and surrounding suburbs. This region attracted an unusual number of Jewish overachievers in the 20th century, with a preponderance of blond hair, the most famous being Dylan Klebold and Alan Berg.

    – West Virginia has almost no chance of making it to the 22nd century with an average IQ of 93, and this may explain the drug-induced autocaust that is unfolding across that state.

    – Merely having a majority white population does not guarantee results higher than that of mixed race states like California, which consistently outperforms all-white communities like Maine. Taken in to consideration alongside the freefalling violent crime rate, the foundation of white nationalism has been reduced to rubble. Whites who live in diverse areas are more competitve and higher grade than those who recede to the sleepy and increasingly haunted rural abyss. White Nationalism and the AltRight are officially deceased.

    – States with tbe fasting growing “Other” categories are the most intelligent.

  5. ariel says:

    almost 20% of blacks in the USA are immigrants or the children of immigrants, that could be the cause of the slight increase of black iq?

  6. Arclight says:
    @Lot

    Good point on private schools. In my state, 8 of the top 20 schools on the statewide assessment are private Catholic schools (and 5 of the top 10). Most of the Catholic schools are like 90% white, and of the public schools I know in the top 20, they are mostly white and Asian.

  7. @Lot

    Naep isn’t an attempt at measuring intelligence, and has a poorer, unrepresentative selection due to excluding private school students.

    By way of example, Los Angeles County is 27.8% white, but LAUSD is 9% white. (It’s 72.3% Hispanic!).

    Not to mention, the vast majority of Jewish students, who would tend to pull up the white average a bit, are in either private or religious schools.

  8. Feather Indians were the blacks of pre-Columbian America.

  9. I’d expected Asians to be closer to 110 given that they are overwhelmingly the offspring of their societies’ elites.

    Steve Sailer likes to point out that US Whites do fantasticially well compared to their peers across the Western world. Only Finland and Estonia beat them in PISA tests. Yet if this IQ average is correct then it would mean that there is no inherent genetic advantage and those very good PISA scores basically comes down to the US schooling system, which actually works very well once you adjust for race. Completely contrary to received wisdom, of course.

    All in all, quite reasonable estimates which work to re-confirm what most of us knew with more data. Solid work, AE!

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  10. @Sam Coulton

    I think when you adjust for nutrition, there are quite a few peoples in the world who are as intelligent as White Europeans. Mestizos, some Arab groups, large swaths of SouthEast Asians and a decent share of South Asia and of course the NE Asians

    The Hispanic numbers are even understated because their share of the ethnic pool keep on getting better, and unskilled immigration temporarly lower the scores in the short run, if we ever stopped immigration, MesoAmerican Hispanic performance would rise like it did for the Southern Europeans in the 20th century.

    Crime rates the best predictor of “present” IQ. Since not everyone can learn stuff needed for the SAT and the NAEP and PISA, crime is the best and cheapest indicator we have of IQ. The low crime rates of the Arab World, South Asia, and Southeast Asia are very encourging from an IQ perspective. The extremely low crime rates of MesoAmerican Hispanics is very encourging in the United States as well. El Paso, Santa Ana are both 80% Mestizo, and yet are the safest cities in America.

    I think if the US tries to boost birthrates of Whites, Mestizos, and Asians our demographic problems will be nonexistant. Let’s hope we become sane on this issue sooner rather than later.

  11. Native Americans at 89.8 are a long way from “Asians” at 106 (I presume the US usage means Far Eastern), yet AFAIK the Native Americans are descended from “Asians” who crossed the Bering Strait in the last Ice Age.

    Which modern Siberian/Chinese groups are closest to Native Americans? What’s their IQ?

    Do Siberian/North Chinese tribes like the Evenki, Orochon and other Tungusic peoples have an IQ similar to Han? If so, when did they diverge and why?

  12. Anonymous[180] • Disclaimer says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Mongolia’s average IQ is 91, which is very similar to the Native American score so I would assume that they descend from the very North Asian/Siberian Mongoloid groups who don’t appear to share the high IQ of the Chinese, in fact maybe they were forced out by the higher IQ groups in the Far East?

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  13. @YetAnotherAnon

    Siberians and Chinese aren’t one group. Chinese have way less of the Ancient North Eurasian ancestry that Native Americans share with “Siberians”.

    The closest people in Siberia to Native Americans are Turks from the Altai Republic, near the Yenisei river in Southern Russia. These people are incidentally partially related to Europeans, via the descendants of the Iron Age Pazyryk Scythians. Not “Tungusics”.

  14. It’s surprising how low IQ some white countries are, they are on par with if not outperformed by many non-white nations. The range of IQs in Europe is so wide it raises the question how accurate is it to speak of “whites” as a monolithic group?

    • Replies: @james wilson
  15. @John Arthur

    The extremely low crime rates of MesoAmerican Hispanics

    Given that Mesoamerican countries have some of the world’s highest levels of violent crime, are you blaming all of it on the non-hispanic (amerind) component? That would be new to me. It might also be hard to tease out given the high levels of admixture.

    • Replies: @John Arthur
  16. @Sam Coulton

    Put simply, your argument reduces to: jews are smart, whites are stupid. You engage in a lot of cherry picking and random extrapolation (as well as speculation) to support your argument.

    Then there is a fair amount of fabrication, such as the notion that we are experiencing a crime rate in free fall.

    It’s pretty much “agenda” masquerading as “argument”.

    • Replies: @Sam Coulton
    , @Mr. Rational
  17. @John Arthur

    I think if the US tries to boost birthrates of Whites, Mestizos, and Asians our demographic problems will be nonexistant.

    The last thing we need is higher birthrates, except perhaps among whites. Latinos and Asians are already flooding half the globe with their progeny.

    What we need most–as a species–is to get African and Asian countries to control their runaway population growth. It’s a threat to the planet and to every living thing within it. They need help and/or discipline.

  18. BlackFlag says:
    @Sam Coulton

    – Belarus is Europe’s highest. Lol.
    – Italy shockingly low. In 2002 IQ and Wealth of Nations they pegged it at 102, highest in Europe.
    https://hbdchick.wordpress.com/2012/05/08/iq-and-the-wealth-of-nations-table/

    Whites have really fucked themselves. They had the world in their hands circa 1900 and understood all they needed to with guys like Fisher and yet threw it all away.

    • Replies: @Sam Coulton
    , @Anonymous
  19. @BlackFlag

    Yes. Those papers Lynn cited in 2002 on Italians came from college students in Tuscany and other minority areas. It would be like quantifying white American IQ based on the performance of people in Concord, Massachusetts. HBDchick being a recovering crystal meth addict never noticed this.

    • Replies: @BlackFlag
    , @Anonymous
  20. @HammerJack

    Put simply, your argument reduces to: jews are smart, whites are stupid. You engage in a lot of cherry picking and random extrapolation (as well as speculation) to support your argument

    What you describe is not my argument but the argument of Kevin MacDonald, and the foundation upon which the modern “Jewish Question” now stands.

    Then there is a fair amount of fabrication, such as the notion that we are experiencing a crime rate in free fall.

    The violent crime rate in the United States has been more than halved since 1980. Please see @Feryl’s comment page for more information about that.

    https://www.unz.com/comments/all/?commenterfilter=Feryl

    • Replies: @HammerJack
  21. @Sam Coulton

    Here. This’ll get you started. It’s from the FBI, and it relates to recent history, not 40 years ago. It’s not exactly a crime rate in free fall.

    BTW: if “Jewish admixture” were even remotely responsible for the higher IQ averages of states like Massachusetts, Connecticut, and New Jersey then Florida and New York would top the list. But they’re nowhere close.

    Finally: Trying to pin your “argument” on someone who’s not even here when called on it smacks of desperation and vacuity.

    See you later.

    • Replies: @Sam Coulton
  22. @John Arthur

    The extremely low crime rates of MesoAmerican Hispanics is very encourging in the United States as well. El Paso, Santa Ana are both 80% Mestizo, and yet are the safest cities in America.

    No they aren’t–not even close. The safest cities of appreciable size are Portland, Maine; Manchester, NH; Boise, Idaho; and Madison, Wisconsin.

    https://realestate.usnews.com/real-estate/slideshows/safest-places-to-live-in-the-us

    Despite the subtitle, violent crime (not just murder) rates are reported in the article.

    Further to the point, crime among blacks and hispanics is notoriously under-reported because of those two communities’ well-known penchant for retribution AKA ‘snitches get stitches’ –though granted, with latinos it’s generally torture and decapitation.

    • Replies: @Sam Coulton
    , @Jay Fink
  23. @HammerJack

    I figured you would pull that shitstained chart out of the glove compartment out of your grocery cart, but the crime rate decreased the last two years to below 2015 levels, and the increase ca. 2014-2017 (which was relatively minor, and didn’t push the crime rate anywhere near where it was in the 1970s) has already been described in the literature:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferguson_effect

    BTW: if “Jewish admixture” were even remotely responsible for the higher IQ averages of states like Massachusetts, Connecticut, and New Jersey then Florida and New York would top the list. But they’re nowhere close

    Substantial portions of the Jewish “communities” are Orthodox (in New York) or Sephardic and Mizrahi (in Florida). The average IQ for these Jews is in the lower 90s.

    New York is also home to a ton of blacks, portaricans and upstate rednecks who have little admixture from legacy Ashkenazic Jews of secular backgrounds.

  24. @Mr McKenna

    El Paso has a population of over 650,000 people. Portland is a small town of 66,000 people, Boise is less than half the size of El Paso

    The murder rates of Boise and El Paso have been comparable for the last 20 years.

    http://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Boise-City-Idaho.html

    http://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-El-Paso-Texas.html

    The murder rate isn’t something that is “underreported” as the deceased are typically unable to report their own murders to the police. Murder victims are found and the police come pick them up, everywhere in America.

    The level of cope, self-delusion and voodoo that white trashionalists have to resort to, in the fledgling attempt to bolster their failed ideology, is absurd. Why not just give honesty a try?

    • Agree: John Arthur
    • Replies: @anon
  25. @Lot

    That sounds plausible. I had the same thoughts. But there are some problems.

    The white-Asian gap on the NAEP has paralleled the white-Asian gap on college entrance testing. Twenty years ago, whites outscored Asians in reading. Asians now outscore whites in reading. Twenty years ago, the Asian advantage over whites in math was half what it is now.

    The percentages of students going to private schools today is declining, so I’m not sure what to attribute this change to other than to note that we see it in other places as well.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  26. Anonymous[421] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sam Coulton

    – The high performance of New Jersey, Massachusetts and Connecticut are almost certainly due to widespread Jewish admixture in those states. Anyone who has been around these people knows they are massively Jewish admixed.

    There are lots of Jews in those areas, but there are also lots of lower IQ prole Catholic white ethnics, who significantly outnumber Jews. These white ethnics tend to be the majority or plurality in these areas.

    A more likely explanation is that these areas include the NYC and Boston metro areas, along with a huge concentration of colleges and universities. As a result, higher IQ whites from around the country tend to move there for school and work, raising the average IQ.

  27. Anonymous[302] • Disclaimer says:
    @Audacious Epigone

    The percentages of students going to private schools today is declining, so I’m not sure what to attribute this change to other than to note that we see it in other places as well.

    Whites in the US are becoming less northern European due to increasing intra-white mixing.

    Also “white” in the US is not just increasingly non-northern European, it’s increasingly non-European and includes more non-European Caucasians.

  28. EldnahYm says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    There is largely genetic discontinuity in Asia from the days when the ancestors of Amerindians entered the Americas. The closest groups in particular to the later migrations are groups like Chukchi and Koryak. I don’t believe we have good quality IQ tests of any of these far eastern groups. What evidence we do have(which are small samples) seems to indicate groups like Chukchi and Koryak have IQs close to Native Americans while some Tungus groups may be closer to the Russian average. I emphasize some because Tungus groups are heterogeneous, and even Evenki in different areas can be quite genetically differentiated. One would expect the groups living closer to China to be higher IQ.

    • Replies: @Sam Coulton
  29. @EldnahYm

    The Chukchi and Koryak are the closest ancestors of the Inuit, who are recent transplants to the Americas.

    The closest populations in Asia today to Amerindians are Türks living in the Altai Republic and Kyrgyzstan.

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0002929711005490

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0002929707617698

    • Replies: @EldnahYm
  30. BlackFlag says:
    @Sam Coulton

    Lol, take it easy. She just posted his table. Was the first result in my search. Lynn and Vanhanen should get the blame.

  31. Anonymous[330] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sam Coulton

    HBDchick being a recovering crystal meth addict never noticed this.

    Is this true? Do you have a reference for this?

  32. @EldnahYm

    You may want to learn how to read, because there is nothing in that .pdf that disputes anything I nor the authors I cited said. The rest of the world tends to look “wrong about everything” when you suffer brain damage related to chronic substance abuse (and probably had a severe learning disability to begin with).

    Start here:

    https://www.hookedonphonics.com/test/

    • Troll: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @EldnahYm
  33. @HammerJack

    Making a distinction between Carribbean Hispanics which have high crime rates and MesoAmericn Hispanics which are either white, Amerind, or Mestizo

    • Replies: @EldnahYm
  34. @EldnahYm

    You may want to learn how to read, because there is nothing in that .pdf file that is discordant with anything I or the authors I cited said. The rest of the world seems “wrong about everything” when you suffer from brain damage and hallucinations related to chronic substance abuse (and probably had a severe learning disability to begin with). Start here:

    https://www.hookedonphonics.com/test/

  35. @EldnahYm

    There is nothing in that article which is discordant with anything I wrote, nor the authors I cited. You may want to learn how to read before you tell others what they need to read.

  36. EldnahYm says:
    @Sam Coulton

    Read this from the supplementary information you clown:

    Quantifying the genetic affinities of the Kolyma1 individual using outgroup-f3statistics revealed the highest amount of shared drift with both ancient and present-day groups from northeastern Siberia and the Americas

    You can also view the F3 statistics immediately after the quote.

    The paper shows that the first Amerindians descend from a group related to Ancient Paleosiberians and also Mal’ta. Chukotka-Kamchatkan are similar to Paleosiberians but they also have some ancestry from the americas. Both Athabaskans and Eskimos are a mixture of the original Amerindians and Paleosiberians, with some Eskimos also having mixture from Paleoeskimos and Athabaskans.

    I claimed groups like Chukchi and Koryak were the closest groups to Amerindians, particularly later migrating ones(Athabaskans and Eskimos). The paper confirms this. You thought only Eskimos are related to these groups, which is wrong.

    No modern genetics studies show native americans being closer to central Asians than northeast Asians.

    The rest of the world tends to look “wrong about everything” when you suffer brain damage related to chronic substance abuse (and probably had a severe learning disability to begin with).

    No amount of trolling will change the fact that you are wrong.

    • Replies: @Sam Coulton
  37. EldnahYm says:
    @John Arthur

    El Salvador, Honduras, Belize, and Guatemala have some of the highest homicide rates in the world.

    • Replies: @John Arthur
  38. @EldnahYm

    Quantifying the genetic affinities of the Kolyma1 individual using outgroup-f3statistics revealed the highest amount of shared drift with both ancient and present-day groups from northeastern Siberia and the Americas

    There is nothing in this quote to support this statement:

    The closest groups in particular to the later migrations are groups like Chukchi and Koryak.

    Nowhere does this paper infer that Amerindians are closer to Chukchi or Koryak than to South-Central Siberians. It also does not state that Amerindians are directly descended from Kolyma or Northeast Asians.

    No modern genetics studies show native americans being closer to central Asians than northeast Asians.

    Right, except for the very study you posted, which cites the Dulik (2012) paper I gave you in post #28:

    Its genetic legacy among present-day Siberians is more limited, restricted to groups in northeastern Siberia but also the Americas. Nonetheless, this distribution implies that the majority of Native American genetic ancestry likely originated in northeastern Siberia, rather than south-central Siberia, as inferred from modern mitochondrial and Y chromosome DNA54

    54.↵Dulik, M. C. et al. Mitochondrial DNA and Y Chromosome Variation Provides Evidence for a Recent Common Ancestry between Native Americans and Indigenous Altaians. The American Journal of Human Genetics 90, 229–246 (2012)

    Remember this, dipshit?

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0002929711005490

    All your study did was come up with some theoretical ancient autosomal populations based off ancient DNA; it never refuted nor attempted to refute the already established genetic consensus that the sex chromosomal material (Y-DNA and mtDNA) in Native Americans is from south-central Sibera, which is also backed up by Afontova Gora, who unlike Kolyma 1, are directly ancestral to Amerindians and the source of the Q-NWT01 ancestry in Amerinds.

    But honestly your .pdf file is the shitty 2018 pre-print of the actual paper which was clearly modified before it was published in Nature in 2019 so I’d be curious to see how much of the weak claims made in the pre-print, which, again, does not dispute the fact that Native Americans directly descend from South-Central Siberians, not Northast Asians, actually made it to publication.

  39. @EldnahYm

    In the United States, I don’t care what their crime rates are in their countries. I care what their crime rates are in America.

    • Replies: @216
  40. Anonymous[103] • Disclaimer says:
    @BlackFlag

    I always thought the idea that Italy has an average IQ of 102 is very unlikely, does Italy seriously look or act like a country with an average IQ of 102?

  41. Anonymous[217] • Disclaimer says:
    @Thulean Friend

    Sailer is wrong.

    White Americans are not smarter than “almost all Europeans”. They are dumber than Germans, Dutch, and Scandinavians, and maybe a few other small groups. They are about equal to the English, Irish, Belgians, and French. They are superior to the Mediterraneans, East Slavs, and South Slavs.

    South Slavs score so low they are are Mestizo, Inuit, and Southeast Asian level.

    • Replies: @Sam Coulton
  42. Jay Fink says:
    @Mr McKenna

    Torture and decapitation takes place with drug cartels in Mexico but is rare among U.S Hispanics.

    U.S Hispanics do not have especially high rates of violent crime. It is nothing compared to blacks. What they do have is high rates of property crime, especially auto theft. I saw a list of the top 10 auto theft cities and all of them had very high percentages of Hispanics.

  43. Jay Fink says:
    @Sam Coulton

    Amerindians have a huge problem with alcohol in their community. Not sure if this is physiological or has anything to do with IQ.

    • Replies: @Sam Coulton
  44. @Anonymous

    Did you see Lynn’s 2018 IQ data, in the third post of this comment section? Scandinavians are actually quite dumb, with an average IQ of about 97. The data Epigone posted here suggests that white Americans have an average IQ of 99, which is slightly higher than Norway and Sweden. Scandinavians are also said to have been declining in IQ since the 1970s.

    The highest performing European groups are east Slavs (Baltic states like Belarus) and extremely rich central Euro countries like Liechtenstein.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
  45. @Jay Fink

    I suspect that if all hampering factors (alcohol, drug abuse, white and black admixture, rape, poor nutrition, inadequate schooling) were eliminated, the average Native American IQ would rise to 105. The Indians west of the Missouri river achieved too high a material culture and had too much military success (often with bows and arrows and inadequate muzzleloaders) to have an IQ comparable to that of African Americans.

    In fact, the IQ of Plains Indians like the Sioux and Cheyenne are slightly higher (101-102) than that of whites on tests that put less emphasis on verbal finesse, so it may very well be that almost all of their deficiency in g is due to poor educational quality:

    https://books.google.com/books?id=__0ZAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA1961

    • Replies: @216
  46. 216 says: • Website
    @Sam Coulton

    California is highly unequal. Very much a bimodal distribution.

    The absence of certain ethnic groups among the Silicon Dons is illustrative.

  47. 216 says: • Website
    @Sam Coulton

    Higher IQ in West Europe and East Asia is often theorized to be a legacy of the aristocracy having higher reproductive success, vis a vis the peasanty which married at later ages and had higher child mortality.

    There’s also the argument that early modern Europe executed large numbers of men, leading to the gradual “domestication” of the population.

    https://wentworthreport.com/2017/04/17/feudalism-and-the-birth-of-the-industrial-revolution/

    I don’t see how this comforms with the idea that hunter-gatherers are just of naturally higher intelligence.

  48. 216 says: • Website
    @John Arthur

    There is no guarunteee that the present criminal justice system will continue. Most of the left wants it replaced by a far more lenient system, and there is minimal evidence that social norms of “fair play” have ever spread far beyond the Blue Banana and its descended populations.

    • Agree: Mark G.
    • Replies: @Mark G.
  49. Hail says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    I’m surprised that the US black IQ is as high as 88 too

    Studies have consistently found a steady 1.0 SD gap between US Whites and US Blacks, which is 15 points on the IQ scale. This method gives a <12 point gap, or down between 0.75 and 0.80 SD gap.

    So something about this data may be off, but I can't immediately identify a likely culprit.

  50. Miro23 says:

    Interesting that if “emotional control” and “ability to cooperate” were tested, they would probably give the same list, with Asians at the top and Blacks at the bottom.

    IMO advanced societies need these factors as much as IQ. There’s also the issue that society has to protect and place its higher IQ, more cooperative/emotionaly balanced people it top positions – and that’s still not touching the question of ethics/tribalist tendencies – Where are the tests for those?

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  51. Mark G. says:
    @216

    To ascertain the criminality of different immigrant groups it would be better to look at their crime rates in the countries they are coming from rather than their crime rates here. The current Anglo dominated American police and court system is more efficient and less corrupt than those in many other countries. This helps to suppress crime here. The police and court systems in third world countries are often notoriously corrupt and inefficient and those countries often have high crime rates. If third world immigrants become a majority in this country then they are likely to recreate the same overall conditions that exist in the countries they came from and crime rates here will start to match those in their home countries.

  52. anon[196] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sam Coulton

    Taken in to consideration alongside the freefalling violent crime rate, the foundation of white nationalism has been reduced to rubble.

    well, (((you))) can hope

  53. anon[196] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sam Coulton

    The level of cope, self-delusion and voodoo that white trashionalists have to resort to, in the fledgling attempt to bolster their failed ideology, is absurd. Why not just give honesty a try?

    there your hatred and bigotry surfaces

    the problem with clowns like you who claim low hispanic rates of crime is we’ve seen these states with their 10 Most Wanted list filled with names like Gomez, Gonzalez, Ramirez etc all labeled as “white males”

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Sam Coulton
  54. @Brexit Now!

    Heavy outflows of smarter people not only since the end of the Soviet systems but before that time as well within the system to places they could get ahead .

  55. Tony says:
    @John Arthur

    Low crime rates in the arab world is due to sharia law. Look what happens when they immigrate to Europe. They fill up Europe’s jails.

    • Replies: @Sam Coulton
  56. @anon

    Have you read The Myth of Hispanic Crime by Ron Unz?
    If you have, you clearly didn’t pay close attention to it, because he addresses the very issue you describe (misidentification of Hispanics as “white” in some sources), and he works around it by comparing the crime rates of purely Hispanic cities to large predominantly white cities like Portland and Seattle, using age-adjusted crime statistics (to account for the geriatric median age of white Americans). Hispanic youths from cities like San Jose and San Antonio commit less violent crime than white youths in Portland and Seattle.

    He also points out that the crime rate of Los Angeles hasn’t increased as a result of the increase of Latinxs. Actually, it has now fallen back to early 1970s levels, and at the current rate will probably be at 1950s levels by the year 2035.

    Go read TMOHC:

    http://www.unz.com/runz/the-myth-of-hispanic-crime/

    Unz also makes some excellent points which seem to fly over the heads of knuckleheads like you, in a follow-up article:

    http://www.unz.com/runz/immigration-building-a-wall-and-hispanic-crime/

    Although ordinary police reports sometimes conflate ethnicity with race, and report Hispanics as white, this is certainly not the case with large state prison systems, given the severe problems they face with racially-based gang violence, so these figures should be regarded as highly reliable. Obviously, the white and Hispanic incarceration rates are actually quite close, while the black figures are an extreme outlier.

    As for your implying I am even remotely Jewish… It’s hysterical, since you’re not only Jewish admixed but actually a dyed in the wool Jew, behaviorally speaking. Which I have nothing against; but of course, you will never learn to love and respect who you and your ancestors truly are/were.

  57. @Tony

    The crime rate in Europe is outrageously low; there is no one filling up jails in Europe. The crime rats today is lower than it was in the 1990s and way lower than in the 1490s.

    https://ourworldindata.org/exports/homicide-rates-across-western-europe_v4_850x600.svg

    London violent crime rate:

    All European countries have been on a downward trend in violence for the last 40 years, during which they continuously received a lot of immigrants. Remarkable, considering how many of them were young males.

    White nationalism is finished. It doesn’t have a moral or political leg to stand on. Anyone trying to frame a political strategy for white nationalism/altright is wasting their time. The two pillars it was founded on, -nonwhite crime and IQ-, have been shattered.

    Liberal democracy with racial diversity created the closest thing to a Utopia that has ever existed, where interpersonal violence has been reduced to negligible levels, everyone can be who they want to be, because everyone is friendly, tolerant and happy, environmental conservationism is increasing and pollution much lower, and relative economic prosperity and material comfort are everywhere. The system our ancestors built has succeeded, and white people (especially males) are the ones who benefit the most from it. All competitors failed and still have one foot in the mud.

    Note that Europe had the same homicide rate as El Salvador last millennium, and that was without modern firearms. Europe was El Salvador under Christianity, segregation and feudalism.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  58. Anonymous[326] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sam Coulton

    So you’re saying that London is less violent now than it was 40 years ago when it was majority native British? So essentially non-white mass immigration has made London safer?

    Perhaps that’s what the politically correct stats show to promote a certain agenda, but I find that very hard to believe in reality.

    • Replies: @Sam Coulton
    , @LondonBob
  59. @Anonymous

    Yes. Do you remember 1980s-1990s football hooliganism in England? White British used to be incredibly violent for first world standards, and in some places in the North, still are.

    The decrease in violence in London England over the last 40 years can be attributed to three primary causes:

    1.) Decrease in working and middle class white British population in London (most of them actually ascended a class and moved up North)
    2.) The rise of non-white working and middle class Londoners, who are less violent than the original working and middle classes were
    3.) Aging of the entire white population in London

    Just based off the population projections alone, the staggering increase in +30 year olds that is expected to take place by 2036, there can be no doubt that London’s violent crime rate will continue to decrease relative to the 1990s for the rest of the century; unless someone magically comes up with a way to make women in London reproduce again. And these calculations are from 2013; and assume black and west/South Asian fertility won’t decline (which they have and almost certainly will continue to do). Even modest declines in fertility can greatly offset growth projections, as we have learned in the USA since 2008. Growth predictions have proven themselves wildly overestimated in the last 10 years.

    https://www.london.gov.uk/what-we-do/planning/london-plan/current-london-plan/london-plan-chapter-one-context-and-strategy-1

    Remember that the racial crime effect is still largely an age effect. After age 30, nonwhite and white offender rates converge, including black and white offender rates. Criminals of any race age 30 or older are extremely rare.

    • Disagree: LondonBob
  60. @Anonymous

    The colder climates theory of IQ runs into a big problem with populations like the Inuit. Population density might be why some northern groups don’t score as highly as would otherwise be predicted–low numbers prevented complex societies from developing and complex societies select for higher intelligence.

    • Agree: iffen
  61. LondonBob says:
    @Sam Coulton

    I don’t know if Lynn strips out the sizeable ethnic minorities found in many European countries, would explain Scandinavia’s drop.

  62. LondonBob says:
    @Anonymous

    The murder rate in London has absolutely exploded in recent years, young black males. London is a much more dangerous city today than it even was twenty years ago. Crime stats are poor becuase so much just isn’t recorded.

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