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The following table and map show estimated mean black IQ by state from 2019 NAEP mathematics and reading results among non-Hispanic black eighth grade public school students. Estimates are computed by averaging mathematics and reading scores and then converting them to IQ scores assuming a national average IQ of 96 and a standard deviation of 15. One drawback is that these estimates do not account for the 10% of the school-age population either being homeschooled or attending private school. Due to insufficient student sample sizes, data is unavailable for ten states:

State IQ
DoDEA 96.1
1) Massachusetts 92.7
2) New Jersey 90.6
3) Maryland 89.9
4) Georgia 89.6
5) Virginia 89.5
6) Illinois 89.0
7) North Carolina 89.0
8) Connecticut 88.9
9) Florida 88.9
10) Colorado 88.8
11) Indiana 88.8
12) New York 88.7
T13) Delaware 88.6
T13) Tennessee 88.6
15) Arizona 88.5
16) Rhode Island 88.5
17) Texas 87.9
18) Mississippi 87.8
19) Kansas 87.6
20) Washington DC 87.6
21) North Dakota 87.5
22) Ohio 87.4
23) West Virginia 87.4
24) South Carolina 87.0
25) Missouri 87.0
26) Oklahoma 86.9
T27) Alaska 86.8
T27) Nevada 86.8
T29) Louisiana 86.8
T29) Pennsylvania 86.8
31) Michigan 86.7
32) Kentucky 86.4
33) Washington 86.4
34) Nebraska 85.8
T35) Maine 85.6
T35) Minnesota 85.6
37) Alabama 85.1
38) California 85.0
39) Arkansas 84.6
40) Iowa 84.4
41) Wisconsin 84.4

The eastern seaboard does relatively well, the upper Midwest not so much.

Black military brats are a cognitive cut above their civilian counterparts. They even modestly outperform whites in Alabama and West Virginia.

On the other hand, whites in 48 states and the nation’s capital outscore blacks in every state and in the military, and both racial groups have to a large extent shared the country for the better part of four hundred years. It’s probably time to stop the hand-wringing, accept things as they are, and try to make the best of the cards reality has dealt us.

 
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  1. Notice that the improvement for blacks in the military’s schools is more dramatic than it is for whites.

    The black military scores could be explained by the fact that the military’s testing and aptitude requirements tend to filter out much of the bottom of the black population.

    Effectively, the military has collected a sample of the black cognitive elite.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @216
    , @Buck
  2. What is the average Hispanic IQ in the country? You don’t know, do you. Hispanics are poised to take over the country. Blacks never will. But still you obsess on blacks blacks blackity black like some issue of Ebony, while carefully eliding the real deluge at your door.

    • Replies: @Jim Christian
  3. ‘What is the average Hispanic IQ in the country? You don’t know, do you. Hispanics are poised to take over the country. Blacks never will. But still you obsess on blacks blacks blackity black like some issue of Ebony, while carefully eliding the real deluge at your door.’

    We could start an exchange program. Send one black to Latin America for every Hispanic who comes here.

    It’s hard to see a down side to that from our point of view — but I doubt any Latin American countries would be such fools as to sign up.

    • Replies: @216
  4. 216 says: • Website
    @Colin Wright

    There’s a tendency for blacks to stay in the military longer, I suspect that many admire the military compared to the dysfunction back home (obviously left unsaid).

    So people that serve in the military longer are also more likely to have children in the DoD schools.

    Would be interesting to filter the DoDEA by children of officer/enlisted

  5. Michael S says:

    Am I reading too much into this, or is there actually a positive correlation between black IQ and black crime?

    Iowa, Alabama, Kentucky, Maine, Nebraska… all apparently at the bottom for black IQ, but much less crime than DC, New York, Florida, Illinois, and Maryland.

    Maybe it’s the IQ “danger zone” that Molyneux has talked about, seems to be in the high 80s and maybe low 90s.

  6. 216 says: • Website
    @Colin Wright

    Imagine if the US was a Schengen member, and Euros/Americans/AUS/CAN/NZ could live and work in any of these developed countries.

    I’d imagine a sizeable community of blacks would develop in France and the UK (and be viewed rather negatively by locals of African descent); on balance I don’t see many Euros coming to the US, low taxes don’t mean much to them.

    Many Hispanics would probably like to live in Spain, even though they ostensibly hate it.

    An interesting 2020s trend could be “return migration”. As China creeps closer to “rich country” status, will their diaspora consider returning to fill in the one-child demographic hole. Amy Chua thought it might happen.

    We might also see Turkey incentivize the return of their more Islamist leaning diaspora, as Erdogan aims to hold onto power. There’s also another birth rate decline here. That would certainly delight the nationalists of NL and DE.

  7. Hail says: • Website

    It looks like this estimate method yields a nationwide Black IQ mean of 88.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @SMK
  8. @obwandiyag

    But still you obsess on blacks blacks blackity black like some issue of Ebony, while carefully eliding the real deluge at your door.

    Focus is on Blacks because of their ENORMOUSLY out-sized criminal behavior. Blacks hate and attack and rob Whites for being White. Hispanics do not. And so, such concerns as IQ relate to impulse control and their propensity to commit the ridiculous amount of crime relative to their population. And you’re damned right Hispanics are winning. May be the Grand Plan was to inundate cities with Hispanics as a bulwark against Black criminality. In Hispanic communities, Black crime is dealt with in harsher methods than the old Italians. They won’t have it and they aren’t much sensitive to the political zeitgeist. And thank God for THAT..

    • Replies: @obwandiyag
  9. @216

    ‘There’s a tendency for blacks to stay in the military longer, I suspect that many admire the military compared to the dysfunction back home (obviously left unsaid).’

    This fits with my suspicions. For blacks, the military is a career choice — and hopefully as unadventurous one as possible.

    I’d guess this is why elite combat units are mostly white. It’s nothing to do with ability; it reflects what whites tend to join the military for as opposed to what blacks join it for.

    In a similar vein, although in general I’m frankly and extremely racist, I’ve noticed black cops can be more reasonable than white cops. White cops may have joined the police to prove something to themselves — and so much the worse for all if that something turns out not to be true.

    Relative to that, blacks who become cops may more often just be guys who are looking for a good job and aren’t too frightened at the thought of the occasional confrontation.

    It’s perhaps a good thing that I haven’t really had the personal opportunity to collect enough data to statistically demonstrate the validity of these beliefs — but thinking back over perhaps half a dozen-plus cases, that does describe what I’ve seen. I’d be genuinely interested to hear the opinion of anyone who may be in a better position to judge — like a cop on a large multi-racial police force.

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
    , @TBolt
  10. Mr. XYZ says:

    Black military brats are a cognitive cut above their civilian counterparts. They even modestly outperform whites in Alabama and West Virginia.

    On the other hand, whites in 48 states and the nation’s capital outscore blacks in every state and in the military, and both racial groups have to a large extent shared the country for the better part of four hundred years. It’s probably time to stop the hand-wringing, accept things as they are, and try to make the best of the cards reality has dealt us.

    Can we please get data for military brats for all US states separately?

  11. @216

    “There’s a tendency for blacks to stay in the military longer, I suspect that many admire the military compared to the dysfunction back home (obviously left unsaid).”

    No. The military is simply better welfare for blacks. As a group blacks bring their dysfunction with them anywhere they go. For further proof, look what happens to a middle class neighborhood where blacks start appearing in larger numbers: Hoopties, low end bass blaring out of cheap speakers, poorly maintained lawns, 22’s, more break ins reported, etc. Look what happens to a shopping mall or grocery store where they start appearing in greater quantities.

    • Agree: buckwheat
  12. @Colin Wright

    “White cops may have joined the police to prove something to themselves — and so much the worse for all if that something turns out not to be true.”

    White males in general become cops out of a naive idealism that they are going to make a difference. Once the reality of large police force bureaucracy and PC culture shatters that fantasy, they become extremely cynical and unhappy. That is definitely redirected onto the general public for which they are supposed to be in service to. They don’t quit, because now it’s all about the pension and benefits. I have several 1st hand examples of this from 1st cousins and FotF who joined out of my rather large Chicago area Irish family network.

    Black women join the police because like any other government job (military included) it’s better welfare for them. I do agree with you though on this – black male cops that I have interacted with, and that’s not many, have always been pretty even and steady.

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
  13. “…and try to make the best of the cards reality has dealt us.”

    At least you’re willing to admit this much. Perhaps one day you will realize how peaceful separation doesn’t in any way deal with said reality. It just shuffles the same cards back into the same deck.

    That said, I’m all ears on how to make the best of it your way.

  14. Rahan says:

    The military results are also possibly an example of how “being forced to conform to toxic white patriarchy expectations” make blacks achieve their highest potential as civilized human beings.

    Whereas being “encouraged to follow their culture” motivates them to regress to Congo levels.

    People who (((fight for black culture purity))) should be forced to live in black neighborhoods and send their kids to black schools. This literally should be a law. Any citizen of group of citizens who fervently support the rights of any minority must be forced to live for at least 5 years with this minority.

    Pro-Muslim migration Jews, feminists, and trannies definitely should be forced to live in Muslim neighborhoods, for a start.

    Pro-refugee towns should host the refugees, and so on.

    Lobbying and campaigning is an application of power, and with power comes responsibility. Votes and campaigns must carry results first of all to those who voted and campaigned.

  15. Anonymous[217] • Disclaimer says:
    @Michael S

    There’s a danger zone, but Molyneux is wrong. It’s not 87-93. It’s 75-90.

  16. On the other hand, whites in 48 states and the nation’s capital outscore blacks in every state and in the military, and both racial groups have to a large extent shared the country for the better part of four hundred years. It’s probably time to stop the hand-wringing, accept things as they are, and try to make the best of the cards reality has dealt us.

    I blame sneaky and shady upper middle class White neoliberal globalizers for using Black disfunction and poor school performance on so-called “racism” or so-called “bad schools” or any other reason but innate intelligence differences between Blacks/Latinos and Whites/Asians.

    And I don’t mean Penelope Cruz when I say Latinos.

    Mestizos and Amerindians and Latinos and Blacks and Mulattos and other Africanized populations have lower IQs than do Whites and Northeastern Asians such as Chinese and Japanese and Koreans.

    Sneaky upper middle class Whites will never admit that Blacks/Latinos have lower IQs on average, because that will take away a demographic weapon that the upper middle class Whites use to pound the Hell out of middle class Whites and lower middle class Whites and regular Whites and underclass Whites.

    The education system scam in the USA has poured trillions of dollars into the bottomless pit of Black disfunction and plenty of upper middle class Whites have been clam raking loot out of that gravy train.

    White Core American Patriots must be clear that Black disfunction and poor school performance and Black boneheadedness is due to genetic factors and inborn, innate ancestral biological reasons, but that White Core America will do its best to advance Black interests and Black achievement by using honest and truthful means.

    Do not for a split second underestimate the evil and immorality of White government workers and White upper middle class neoliberal globalizers when they refuse to honestly discuss Black disfunction and poor Black school performance and test scores of Blacks. These disgusting White cohorts of pure evil and immorality use the innate biological fact of low Black IQ as a weapon to accuse regular Whites of so-called “racism” and to destroy White schools by flooding them with Black disfunction and Black criminality and Black low IQ behaviour and low time preference Black behaviour and Black lack of impulse control.

    White Core America will tell the truth about Black criminality and Black disfunction and the low IQ scores of Blacks and poor school performance of Blacks while helping Blacks do the best they can.

    White Core America will also give each American with all blood ancestors born in colonial America or the USA before 1924 ten thousand dollars a month. Old Stocker Blacks will get that cash and Blacky-come-lately Blacks will be encouraged to exit the USA.

    BRIBE THE BLACKS!

    BRIBE THE WHITE BROADS!

    BRIBE THE VOTERS!

    Imperial Disintegration Demands Voter BRIBERY!

    The hostile Blacks are merciful; the dreaded enemy is the upper middle class Whitey neoliberal globalizers and the White government workers clam raking loot out of Black disfunction.

    Tweet from 2015:

  17. The JEW/WASP ruling class of the American Empire has been using Refugee Overload as a DEMOGRAPHIC WEAPON to destroy cultural cohesion in Maine and New Hampshire and Vermont.

    The Somalians were sent to Maine by evil and immoral elements in the JEW/WASP ruling class of the American Empire. The evil and immoral scum in the US State Department targeted Maine and New Hampshire and Vermont — and many other mostly White states — for demographic destruction and Refugee Overload.

    Greedy evil filth in the Refugee Overload Racket have financially benefited from dragging Refugee Overload into Maine and New Hampshire and Vermont. Greedy real estate interests love to grab all the loot they can from the federal government to house the Refugee Overload and to raise rents for housing by bringing in more Refugee Overload. The landlords can charge the federal government top dollar and reduce supply of housing by dragging more Refugee Overload into the USA.

    Greedy and evil and immoral business owners can use Refugee Overload to keep wages low and to displace American workers.

    The Somalians in Maine are pawns in an evil game of cultural dissolution played by the evil and immoral scum in the JEW/WASP ruling class of the American Empire.

    Tweets from 2015:

  18. @Jim Christian

    You are just either lying or stupid as the day is long.

    Anybody with half a brain knows that Hispanics attack and kill whites because they are white with abandon.

  19. @obwandiyag

    Nonsense.

    However, you might also notice that AE is working through the races. He will probably get to self-identified Hispanics eventually.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
  20. So the high yellow caste is concentrated around federal power centers (i.e. the make-work affirmative action Leviathan). Shocker.

  21. Realist says:

    Again with the estimated…not actual.

    The fact that #3 Maryland at a black IQ of 89.9 and #6 Illinois at a black IQ of 89.0 and the horrific black crime in the two states respective largest cities gives suspect to the data.

  22. 85 Black IQ in California? No wonder they want mass immigration then!

    As I have told my conservative friends multiple times, if they had bit the bullet and pushed for increasing White Birthrates along time ago, then no one would have called for mass immigration.

    Mass immigration will always be a thing as long as the Black population is large and dysfunctional.

  23. Anonymous[303] • Disclaimer says:

    If these stats are correct then US blacks are not much less intelligent than many Europeans, especially Southern Europeans.

  24. Anonymous[248] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hail

    It’s interesting that most South Slav countries have IQs similar to US blacks, and the state of most South Slav countries does correspond with that.

    South Slav countries are mostly poor by Western standards, have a clear propensity for violence and tribalism and are often associated with mafiaism and organised crime, all of which are arguably US black traits as well. The only South Slav countries that compare favourably with developed countries are Slovenia and Croatia, and their average IQ are also significantly higher as well.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  25. Svevlad says:

    Perhaps you need a stealthy black-only eugenics program…

    • Replies: @Mockcus Gravy
  26. iffen says:
    @216

    I wish to brag upon myself for exercising self-restraint. I really wanted to give you a good cussing out.

    military compared to the dysfunction back home (obviously left unsaid).

    Most black families are not dysfunctional. It would seem obvious to any intelligent and educated person.

    Military service has long been an honorable career and many people from economically depressed situations and regions have served themselves and their country well by making the military a career.

  27. Ian Smith says:
    @iffen

    Given that the majority of black children are born out of wedlock, I’d say that most black families are dysfunctional.

    • Replies: @Mockcus Gravy
    , @iffen
  28. No, it’s time to give the African Diaspora The reparations they so clamor for in the form of repatriation to the Motherland!
    Show us you can create Wakanda bruthas n
    sistas! Show the man you don’t need his help in hand!
    Hahahahaha yeah right!
    This is a Promise Land & the white man is the Negroes Messiah!

  29. @Svevlad

    That’s already Implemented in all the black inner cities or haven’t you seen the body count?
    Check out the hey jack ass website That gives you fun and entertainment in a dark sort of way of Chicago’s criminal activities.

  30. @Ian Smith

    I know several white men that grew up without dads, 1 a CEO of a large company. The other a network engineer. Boils down to culture and DNA.
    The authors of the Bell Curve, The one that still alive, doubled down and stated their findings were now supported by science and that all the hard sciences realize this it’s just the soft science a.k.a. social sciences that work against it. Should be a crime to even call sociology and psychology a science because they’re about as much a science as palm reading and astrology!

    • Replies: @iffen
  31. iffen says:
    @Ian Smith

    Given that our economic, educational and political systems make it extremely hard, if not impossible, for poor and working class people and less capable citizens to aquire the necessary resources and foundation to achieve a stable family formation lifestyle, I would say that it is our society that is dysfunctional.

    • Replies: @Ian Smith
  32. iffen says:
    @Mockcus Gravy

    Could you go away? We already have more than our fair share of ignorant dipwap commenters.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
  33. Buck says:
    @Colin Wright

    I was a military brat and attended some base schools. My parents drilled into us that any trouble would got into on base or school could hurt my father’s career. The could partly be reflected in the DoD schools performance. There is both nature and nurture in the IQ game. Probably more nature but nurture means not acting the fool in school.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  34. @John Arthur

    85 Black IQ in California? No wonder they want mass immigration then!

    The state’s population is only 6 percent black.

    So what would you rather have?

    California with 6 percent of the state population being black with an average IQ of 85?

    Or Georgia with 31 percent of the state population being black with an average IQ of 89.6?

    • Replies: @SaneClownPosse
  35. Jay Fink says:
    @obwandiyag

    They do? Do you have any stats to back that up? I live in a Hispanic majority city. My neighbourhood is probably 85% Hispanic and I never get close to being messed with, much less attacked. Whenever there is a murder here it is usually Hispanic on Hispanic gang violence, not Hispanics killing whites.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @obwandiyag
  36. Anonymous[217] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    That is because Slovenia and Croatia are not pure South Slav. They have some Germanic and Italian elements too.

  37. Back when I was young I was stationed on Okinawa. There were black senior NCOs who had ‘extended’ there for 7-10 years to keep their kids in the defense schools (back then called DoDDS) because overseas defense schools were so much better and the kids could never be near non military dependent black kids. That experience, and these types of stats, make me think a big part of the issue with black test scores is cultural rather than racial gene issues

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    , @216
  38. I hate to point out the obvious but the sample here is of a self selecting elite: those who showed up to 8th grade and took the tests.
    This, sad to say, excludes a good piece of the left side of the bell curve,

  39. @iffen

    You’re not dealing with a genius with MG.
    “I know several white men that grew up without dads, 1 a CEO of a large company. The other a network engineer.”

    He seems to be of the opinion that 2 is several.

  40. @iffen

    Dear iffen,
    please seek help before you snap and kill us all.

    Sincerely,
    Twodees

    • Replies: @Thomm
    , @iffen
  41. utu says:

    Plot Black IQ by state vs. White IQ by state and get correlation.

  42. Lot says:

    If you’re wondering about a rare stat that has Kentucky above Wisconsin:

    WV and Kentucky have the black populations with the highest share of Euro ancestry.

    Lowest white share is in a band from MS to SC.

  43. @Buck

    ‘…There is both nature and nurture in the IQ game. Probably more nature but nurture means not acting the fool in school.’

    Yep — but more to the point here, the scores being discussed here aren’t IQ test results.

    They’re simple academic achievement tests — which will correlate to IQ, all other things being equal.

    What we’re looking at is at least a measure of to what extent all other things aren’t equal as much as it is a reflection of IQ.

  44. @Jay Fink

    ‘They do? Do you have any stats to back that up? I live in a Hispanic majority city. My neighbourhood is probably 85% Hispanic and I never get close to being messed with, much less attacked. Whenever there is a murder here it is usually Hispanic on Hispanic gang violence, not Hispanics killing whites.’

    Ditto here. I lived in partly-Hispanic to majority-Hispanic neighborhoods in LA for eight years in the 1980’s. Never any attacks or harassment. Not much social interaction — but I felt perfectly comfortable.

  45. @iffen

    ‘… Most black families are not dysfunctional…’

    You need to look at some statistics.

    • Replies: @iffen
  46. Thomm says:
    @Twodees Partain

    Wut?

    Iffen is just a WN so incompetent that if you have him a firearm and told him to commit a mass shooting, he would probably point the gun the wrong way.

    Don’t overrate these Dunning-Kruger WNs.

    • Troll: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @iffen
  47. @Lawyer Guy

    There were black senior NCOs who had ‘extended’ there for 7-10 years to keep their kids in the defense schools (back then called DoDDS) because overseas defense schools were so much better and the kids could never be near non military dependent black kids.

    Could there be a better example of “Get Out Of BLACKISTAN!”?

    The current fcuked-up Western ethos says that everyone has a right to live next to White people, EXCEPT White people.  I say fcuk that.

  48. @Mr. XYZ

    The Military moves personnel around two to three years. Think of it as a giant human blender. In twelve years of schooling, each student could have been in anywhere from four to six different states. And each state in any given year could have had students from all 50 states in differing percentages unrelated to anything else.

  49. iffen says:
    @Thomm

    Stop shitting on my lawn, faggot!

    • Replies: @Thomm
  50. iffen says:
    @Colin Wright

    You need to look at some statistics.

    ‘There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics” of unknown provenance via Mark Twain.

    If you define a single parent family as dysfunctional then by definition the families would be dysfunctional.

  51. iffen says:
    @Twodees Partain

    Dear iffen,
    please seek help before you snap and kill us all.

    As I’ve stated before, 2dp, when I become commissar of the guillotine, I will make judicious use of it and only use it on those that truly deserve it. Like people who defecate on lawns and in the streets.

    Seriously though, it is easy enough for me to see why the Nazis, commies, totalitarians and others in power killed (kill) a lot of people. If you have the power to kill, it is much easier to kill a mind than change it.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  52. Arclight says:

    I’d be curious to see how much the B/W gap in a given state correlates to racial attitudes. I have lived in several major cities spread over a few states, and the one where I was pretty surprised by the high level of mutual dislike was Milwaukee…and WI has a fairly high white IQ but extremely low black IQ according to what AE has been posting.

    When I first moved there, I was shocked at the open hostility whites had to blacks, which orders of magnitude more pronounced than my home city…but unlike where I grew up where there is a legitimate black middle class, Milwaukee’s black population is nearly all lower class. I soon discovered the hostility went both ways, and that ordinary day to day interactions had a level of tension that was usually absent where I am from.

  53. Anonymous[304] • Disclaimer says:

    Violent societies seem to be caused by a mixture of low IQ and multi-racialism and multi-culturalism. Low IQ blacks in Africa who live in homogeneous societies without a lot of tribal conflict are not actually particularly violent, the average crime rate of many African countries is not exceptional by world standards.

    The most violent countries in the world have very “diverse” populations, such as much of Latin America, South Africa, parts of the US, parts of Russia, etc. The common factors in societies with a lot of violence tend to be large populations of low IQ people and a lot of “diversity”.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  54. Voyeur says:

    UK scores suggest that you’re right: https://akarlin.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/pupil-background-cat-scores.jpg.

    The level of mutual dislike is much lower to nonexistent in the UK and the resulting score gap is much lower.

  55. Ian Smith says:
    @iffen

    Out of wedlock birth was rare a hundred years ago. Hell, in 17th century England, it was in the low single digits. Are you suggesting that the economic, educational, and political system of pre-industrial, pre-antibiotics England were better at helping the poor than now?
    In the 1950s, while more more black children grew up without fathers than white children, most still grew up in two parent homes? Do you think blacks were better off before civil rights?

    • Replies: @iffen
  56. anonymous[299] • Disclaimer says:

    Wisconsin, a state full of Germans and Scandinavians, has a laughably low black IQ population. That’s probably because their generous welfare programs (don’t know if they’re still in place) acted as a magnet for Chicago blacks to bum-rush the state some years back. These were blacks who had no intention of ever working but wanted to just max out on the gimmies. As such they were the bottom of the barrel of Chicago’s blacks who weren’t top of the line to begin with, most of whom migrated in from Mississippi. They got the worst of a bad bunch.

    • Replies: @Hail
  57. @Arclight

    I’d be curious to see how much the B/W gap in a given state correlates to racial attitudes. I have lived in several major cities spread over a few states, and the one where I was pretty surprised by the high level of mutual dislike was Milwaukee…and WI has a fairly high white IQ but extremely low black IQ according to what AE has been posting.

    The German Americans are honorary Southerners, whether they want to be or not. Wisconsin has a lot of German Americans and I guess they don’t like what happened to Milwaukee when all the Blacks showed up.

    Cincinnati is another city in a German American area that has problems with Black criminality and Black riotousness.

    There are a lot of Americans with both Southern Anglo-Celtic and Anglo-Saxon ancestry who also have colonial American German ancestry.

    My favorite cross cultural story is the German American gun makers who made the Kentucky long rifle made famous by Scotch-Irish and English pioneers.

    The Southern Anglo-Celts and Anglo-Saxons have to get together with the northern Catholics and the Great Lakes states German Americans to dislodge the JEW/WASP ruling class of the American Empire from power.

    Blacks don’t have the ultimate power in the USA, the JEW/WASP ruling class of the American Empire has the power. The JEW/WASP ruling class is out of gas and heading for the boneyard like the dodos they are.

  58. @Michael S

    IQ fundamentalist, Stefan Molyneux:

    “Do you know the average IQ in Mexico? 88. That’s one of the reasons Mexico has trouble establishing a representative democracy, why corruption is so high, and violence is so high because the sweet spot for criminality is around 85.”

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Hail
  59. Anonymous[303] • Disclaimer says:
    @Charles Pewitt

    Most of the South Slav nations have average IQs around that figure, the exceptions being Slovenia and Croatia.

    South Slav nations appear generally quite corrupt and are often associated with organised crime. They have also demonstrated a propensity for violence in regards to the Yugoslav wars and I think South Slavs/Balkan types are seen as prone to violence generally.

  60. iffen says:
    @Ian Smith

    Out of wedlock birth was rare a hundred years ago.

    It was economically advantageous for women, even somewhat necessary, to pair bond at that time.

    It is above my paygrade to pull it all together, but I know a few things that impact the nuclear family.

    For example, the former slaves in America very quickly conformed to the male headed household model because it was successful in the sharecropping economy. And this happened within a couple of decades. This, in spite of the fact that there were likely residual cultural practices deriving from African culture, and the fact that marriage was discouraged or prohibited to the slaves. And that model remained the ideal until the late 20th century. Obviously there is nothing in the “blackness” that prevents them from going back and forth between marriage and non-marriage.

    AFAIK, except for the uninformed or political partisans, it is acknowledged that the American “welfare” model encourages dependency, discourages work and initiative, rewards single parent households while penalizing two parent ones, gives the bureacracy employment and time and reason for encouraging welfare dependency, is grossly inefficient, is dehumanizing, is etc., etc. …

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    , @216
  61. @Jay Fink

    A. Trolls always give “personal information.”

    B. Liar.

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  62. @Michael S

    The black-white imprisonment ratio is highest in the upper Midwest. Blacks there get in a lot more trouble than their white neighbors. See the fourth graphic in this Steve Sailer classic.

    • Replies: @iffen
  63. @Mr. XYZ

    I wish! These DoDEA numbers are for American children living overseas on account of their parent(s) being in the military.

  64. iffen says:
    @Audacious Epigone

    The black-white imprisonment ratio is highest in the upper Midwest.

    Does this not raise a question to the widespread assertion that “the best” are migrants and the less capable and undesirables are left behind at home?

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  65. Ian Smith says:
    @iffen

    I don’t think you’re entirely wrong. And yet American blacks, despite whatever negative effects of welfare, still have a higher standard of living than blacks in any country in Africa. And whatever negative effects of welfare there may be, the welfare state didn’t turn Stockholm, Oslo, and Copenhagen into Detroit, Baltimore and New Orleans. The Scandinavian peoples, despite having all sorts of welfare, remain among the best educated, healthiest, and least violent on the earth.
    So there’s something more going on than the ‘welfare plantation’ that libertarians and cuckservatives bang on about.

    • Replies: @Mark G.
  66. @John Arthur

    Then: The world is overpopulated! We Westerners need to have fewer children!

    Now: Western nations don’t have enough children to fund our old age pension programs! We need more young, fecund immigrants!

  67. @iffen

    There are vanishingly few Frodos in this world.

  68. @Arclight

    See this Steve Sailer classic, specifically the fourth graphic. Blacks in the upper Midwest are a lot worse behaved relative to their white neighbors than blacks in the rest of the country are.

  69. @Anonymous

    Diversity is our strength, our physical strength–the physical strength we use to assault others!

  70. @iffen

    “Not sending their best” is a dissident meme on the strength of exactly your observation.

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  71. 216 says: • Website
    @iffen

    Most black families are not dysfunctional. It would seem obvious to any intelligent and educated person.

    It wasn’t a comment about family life, though that is a reasonable inferrence. It was more about the quality of life for servicemembers on base being higher than in the poor neighborhoods they grew up in. It’s more a comment about physical infrastructure and administrative efficiency.

  72. 216 says: • Website
    @iffen

    discourages work and initiative,

    The intention of the EITC is to encourage work.

    Work requirements for other welfare programs, except Medicaid, were instituted in the 1990s, and often aren’t enforced anymore due to (red!) states requesting waivers.

    • Replies: @iffen
  73. 216 says: • Website
    @Lawyer Guy

    “senior NCO” is the important part.

    It’s outside of my experience, but I would guess that those who can make it up the ranks are more intellectually gifted than those leaving at E-4.

  74. SMK says: • Website
    @Hail

    These IQ averages for blacks are profoundly misleading in that untold millions of “blacks” in the U.S. are partly or half or mostly European: mullatos, quadroons, even octoroons who are almost 90% European. How can the average IQs for blacks in the U.S. be as low as 84 in some states and as high as 92 in others when the average IQ of Haiti and the countries of sub-Saharan Africa is 67-70? Is evironment far more determinative, far more significant, than genetics. Are statistical IQ disparities between races almost entirely a corollary of cultural-environmental differences? Precisely the opposite is true in fact as opposed to theory and fantasy.

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  75. Mark G. says:
    @Ian Smith

    Whites seem more resistant to the corroding effects of the welfare state than blacks. When an extensive welfare state was introduced in the U.S. in the sixties, the negative effects on blacks had become so apparent by the eighties that Charles Murray was able to focus on them when writing “Losing Ground”. The negative effect on working class whites slowly happened over a longer period of time. Murray picked up on this in his much later book “Coming Apart”. Socialism doesn’t really work in Sweden but it works better there than almost anywhere else. You have a high IQ white population with a long history of a strong Protestant work ethic in Sweden. There is also not as much income redistribution in Sweden as you would think. The Swedes had high tax rates on the wealthy in the seventies but they resulted in income tax evasion, people leaving the country and people working less so taxes on the top income brackets were reduced and taxes were spread out more evenly. Currently, working class Swedes get more government benefits than working class Americans but pay much more in taxes than working class Americans. Even better than Sweden is the Swiss welfare model. Fathers there are strongly pressured to support their children. There also is social pressure on women not to go on welfare or stay on welfare lengthy periods of time in Switzerland, whereas in the U.S. welfare is now often seen as a right and people who oppose high levels of welfare are portrayed as cruel and heartless. Once welfare is seen in this way, there are no brakes to slow down the increase of the welfare state.

  76. Jay Fink says:
    @Arclight

    I was born in Milwaukee and spent my childhood there. In 1974 my parents were selling our home in suburban Fox Point. A black man looked at the house and the word got out. Our phone was constantly ringing from people in the neighborhood threatening my parents not to sell to the black guy. They even received death threats.

    The suburban counties that border Milwaukee don’t have city bus service specifically to discourage blacks from living there. Blacks in Milwaukee definitely have animosity towards whites as well. A few years back at the state fair parking lot blacks were pulling whites out of their cars and beating them up.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
  77. Jay Fink says:

    In Milwaukee the whites are very white, filled with that Midwestern niceness while the blacks are almost exclusively the ebonics talking ghetto types. I don’t think you could find another city where blacks and whites are so different from each other.

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  78. Ian Smith says:
    @Mark G.

    Interesting points. My point was less to defend or attack welfare than eliminate it as the cause of black dysfunction in the US. Also, these America-centric explanations don’t explain why black societies literally everywhere underperform.

    • Replies: @Mark G.
  79. iffen says:
    @216

    The intention of the EITC is to encourage work.

    Yes, I am an enthusiastic supporter of the EITC.

    It is a question of classification and terminology. I don’t consider the EITC as part of the “welfare” system. I know some people classify it as such, just like some people consider Social Security as welfare which I don’t.

  80. Mark G. says:
    @Ian Smith

    “Also, these America-centric explanations don’t explain why black societies literally everywhere underperform.”

    I tend to be libertarian but the standard libertarian explanation that economic success is all about economic systems doesn’t really explain why socialism can be introduced in Sweden and the country can limp along for decades but when socialism is introduced in Venezuela or Zimbabwe the collapse comes rapidly. So there must be some other X factor involved.

    I would guess economic success for a country is based on some combination of economic system, natural resources and human resources. Human resources may involve both cultural factors and genetic factors. Swedes in Sweden have done ok under socialism but people of Swedish descent in the capitalist U.S. have done even better economically so a free market economy does help. On the other hand, as large numbers of third world immigrants have entered Sweden the collapse of the Swedish welfare state has accelerated. So people matter too. I’d hate to try to put percentages on the importance of each factor. I would only hazard to guess it’s not 100% one or the other.

    • Replies: @Ian Smith
  81. @Jay Fink

    Blacks in Milwaukee definitely have animosity towards whites as well. A few years back at the state fair parking lot blacks were pulling whites out of their cars and beating them up.

    “Beat Whitey Night” has been a feature of state fairs in multiple states, not just Wisconsin.  If we didn’t have “cibil rites” we could just ban blacks from state fairs and have our space back, but until we repeal those laws all those traditions are subject to thug veto and destruction.

  82. Ian Smith says:
    @Mark G.

    We should also keep in mind that the Nordic countries did have generous welfare, but they still had private property. Social Democracy is a different bird from a state directed economy.
    I will ask this though: would anyone trade life in 1980 East Germany or Hungary for life in any African country of 1980? South Africa and Rhodesia don’t count!

  83. @obwandiyag

    Anybody with half a brain knows that Hispanics attack and kill whites because they are white with abandon.

    Look, there are some savage bastards in that community. They deal with their enemies with machetes, personally, I’d rather get my ass shot. MS-13 and the rest hold sway, but not stupidly. But those bastards deal with their own internal problems. But in the old mill town I live in North of Boston, the Hispanics work, their kids go to schools, they fill the Catholic churches on Sunday. Their kids are off the streets from dinnertime onward. They all have a husband and father of the kids. They do NOT hate Whites. I can go fix their phones, no one breaks into my truck. That is NOT the case with Blacks anywhere outside of the fantasy of the Family Huxtable.

    I haven’t had that sort of luck in the past thirty years in even ONE Black neighborhood from DC on up to Boston, always the worry for my truck and tools. So fuck you, obwandiyag . Blacks would have done better to pester Democrats for replacing them on the welfare rolls with Hispanics. In the space of two years in DC, in every field from construction to housekeepers in DC, Bethesda, McLean where rich Whites and Jews employed ‘Mammy”, and changed to Hispanic housekeepers, I’d ask them why their housekeeper was Hispanic, they would answer, guiltily, quietly, “Because the Blacks, they steal the silver and liquor”. And that was from some rich-and-liberal SJW Democrats, mostly Jews. They didn’t even want Blacks in their homes. No shit.

    Forget killing, their petty thefts make the presence of Blacks untenable. I ain’t polishing the Hispanic halo. Far from it. But they aren’t petty killers, searching for Whites and lately, Jews to kill. That’s Blacks. And you know it, obwandiyag. So again I say, fuck you. Go on, show me where I’m wrong. And again I say, take Black crime out of every single statistical criminal measure, the United States would have a crime rate worthy only of episodes of Law and Order, with or without Hispanics. And I’m damned glad for the citizens of Los Angeles, who while flooded with Hispanics, have got enforcers who treated the Blacks of Compton and South/Central LA with the violence they deserve. Blacks haven’t got a place to hang their hats anywhere in L.A. And look at Maxine Water’s district. It shrinks with every election cycle.

    So, obwandiyag , why don’t you go jerk yourself a soda? Idiot. Here’s some Black Panthers for ya, but they’re all White:

    This is a good thing.

    • Agree: John Arthur
    • Replies: @obwandiyag
    , @Colin Wright
  84. iffen says:
    @Audacious Epigone

    “Not sending their best” is a dissident meme

    Yes, but that seems to depend upon time, place and the migrant group. Many of the same people who tut-tut about some groups of current migrants will wax prolific about how the best and brightest emigrated from Western Europe to the New World. Not to mention the assumption made by these same people that anybody with any sense has already left West Virginia. Of course, we do have that recently published study about internal migration in England which I didn’t read, but took the buzz that there is a detectable genetic basis for an epsilon working class in development.

  85. Jay Fink says:
    @obwandiyag

    Troll? I have been commenting on blogs like this for many years. It is my style to bring up personal information if it relates to the subject matter. Liar? What do you think I am lying about? That I live in a heavily Hispanic neighborhood? Why would I lie about that?

  86. TBolt says:
    @Colin Wright

    I would suggest that you look into criminality by police officers on large multi-racial departments. Specifically, what race that officers who are indicted for criminal activity (not necessarily use of force incidents which become politicized) tend towards.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  87. @Jim Christian

    The Evangelicals are well-behaved. The Catholics are on welfare and killkillkill. And steal. You don’t know anything, and yet you opine. Typical.

  88. Hail says: • Website
    @SMK

    These IQ averages for blacks are profoundly misleading in that untold millions of “blacks” in the U.S. are partly or half or mostly European

    There is also something in this NAEP test, perhaps the sample of test-takers not being representative, that either leads to higher Black scores or lower White scores, because it gives us Black=88, White=99, which is 0.25 to 0.3 standard deviations narrower than most every other study.

    The post also has us believe the lowest-IQ Black state is still at IQ=84.4 to IQ=85, which are right at the vast literature’s Total Black IQ=85 mean national average.

    For that reason, it would’ve been better for AE to have named these posts something like “Which state has the smartest Blacks?” The data is useful presented in relative terms, but if converted to an IQ-like scale people will no doubt take them to mean they are reliable IQ estimates.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  89. Hail says: • Website
    @Charles Pewitt

    the sweet spot for criminality is around 85

    Source?

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  90. SMK says: • Website
    @Jay Fink

    One reason the average negro IQ in Wisconsin -one of the most left-progressive states- is the lowest of all 50 states is that many of the dumbest blacks who once lived in Chicago moved north a mere 100 miles or less for the more generous welfare benefits. The same is true of Iowa and Minnesota.

  91. @Jim Christian

    ‘… They all have a husband and father of the kids. They do NOT hate Whites. I can go fix their phones, no one breaks into my truck. That is NOT the case with Blacks anywhere outside of the fantasy of the Family Huxtable…’

    Preach it.

  92. @TBolt

    ‘I would suggest that you look into criminality by police officers on large multi-racial departments. Specifically, what race that officers who are indicted for criminal activity (not necessarily use of force incidents which become politicized) tend towards.’

    The irony is that I would rather not look into it — because I know what I would find, and I’ve actually gotten tired of finding it.

    The novelty has worn off.

  93. @Hail

    ‘…the sweet spot for criminality is around 85

    Source?’

    No source, exactly — but I heard the same from a graduate student in psychology.

    At any rate, the sweet spot for unsuccessful criminality is around IQ 85. That’s the IQ of the average prison inmate.

    …and it’s the IQ of the average black. Of course they wind up in prison — it’s where males with IQ’s of 85 wind up.

  94. @obwandiyag

    ‘The Evangelicals are well-behaved. The Catholics are on welfare and killkillkill. And steal. You don’t know anything, and yet you opine. Typical.’

    ? This is simply irrelevant to reality. I’m not going to choose between Evangelicals and Catholics, but it doesn’t fit anyone I’ve ever seen, and for a white dude, I’ve spent an awful lot of my life in the Hispanic community.

    You might as well assert that Mexicans average nine feet in height and have razor-sharp fangs. Why not? It wouldn’t be any more nonsensical.

  95. @Mark G.

    There are no brakes but that doesn’t mean there is no cliff edge.

    • Agree: Mark G.
  96. @Hail

    That’s a fair point. The primary culprit probably is the private/homeschool contingent, which I’d guess skews above-average white.

    There isn’t much utility for most readers in looking at a table of SD variations, though. That the black-white gap is less than 1 SD is remarkable, whatever the cause.

  97. Thomm says:
    @iffen

    How original. Keep telling us how much of a feces-obsessed faggot you are. Well, that is true of most WNs.

    At least you are being honest about your faggotism.

    Heh heh heh heh

  98. @obwandiyag

    I said nothing about evangelicals or Catholics. Your deal is, you hate when we notice the depravities of YOUR particular sort. And yet, as is typical of your race, you opine-like-swine.

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