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Freed from intolerance, are people today finally becoming who they are? Or is a new intolerance causing people to pretend to be something they’re not in a desperate attempt to obtain some intersectional credibility?

Nearly 1-in-5 people under the age of thirty self-identify as other than heterosexual. Just 1-in-100 of those aged 65 and older do.

Whites and men are more likely to identify as non-heterosexual than non-whites and women are. The survey does not provide cross-tabs, but it is likely that white men are the most likely of all to claim a non-heterosexual identity. Given that whites skew older, the white male non-heterosexual ‘advantage’ among the youngest cohort is probably more pronounced than these graphs make it look like.

 
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  1. ALL IS LOST!

    • Replies: @Talha
    Well yeah. At this rate, even if you cut off immigration completely and let’s say these rates stay static and don’t move further up. All you have to do is project the numbers over, say, four generations and it’s pretty obvious white people will have screwed themselves (literally and figuratively). They’ve got to change this and fast!

    It’s also possible that as these initial Pozzed folks get eliminated from the gene pool, the percentages will reach some equilibrium as they make room for more healthy individuals.

    Peace.
    , @El Dato
    Nah, just add an AIDS test to the soy latte.
    , @Sam Coulton
    The only thing lost here is anepigone's data. The rest of the research indicates white men are less likely to be gay.

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/addiction-in-society/201210/are-minority-men-more-likely-be-gay-why
  2. @Dan Hayes
    ALL IS LOST!

    Well yeah. At this rate, even if you cut off immigration completely and let’s say these rates stay static and don’t move further up. All you have to do is project the numbers over, say, four generations and it’s pretty obvious white people will have screwed themselves (literally and figuratively). They’ve got to change this and fast!

    It’s also possible that as these initial Pozzed folks get eliminated from the gene pool, the percentages will reach some equilibrium as they make room for more healthy individuals.

    Peace.

    • Agree: Dan Hayes
    • Replies: @The Dark Night
    A rabbi told me that there was a secret meeting on a paedophile island, on 06.06.06, where the Elders of Zion decided to make all white people go homo.

    This is what's happening.
  3. When you’re 65+, it doesn’t matter what letter you call your own. It doesn’t change anything. Even as a 65 y/o woman who identifies as a man, no sane OB/GYN will risk performing a senior-citizen adedictome.

    • LOL: Ash Williams
    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Isn't gender reassignment surgery purely cosmetic, like a boob job? It's the antithesis of accepting yourself for who you are. Gay pride is putatively about embracing yourself as you are even when society sees that as deviant. But pretending to be something you're not is pure make believe.
  4. Whites, and particularly white males, are a non-victim, free-to-opress population segment. Claiming non-heterosexual identity is one of the few ways to escape that segment and gain a protective shield, so it makes sense that younger generations would claim the status, even if falsely, not to mention the potential for young white males (Hi, Anon!) to screw with a survey.

    • Agree: unit472
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    I highly doubt straight white males are claiming other to get victim cred.
  5. In no way does that 18% represent the reality of these young people. They have just gone through years and years of brainwashing, and have been encouraged the whole time to become genderbenders. This starts very early – see K-12 LGBT. They’ll get better… but probably not before the downfall of the country after Peak Stupidity.

    Oh, and what BlackC just wrote.

    • Replies: @Feryl
    White male Millennials do not report having a higher number of male "partners" than white X-ers or white Boomers (per the GSS). So no, the inherent sexuality of people isn't changing all that much, although it should be said that white female Millennials and Gen Z report more lesbian encounters than older generations. That being said, females of course are much more subject to fashion than males are. So once mainstream culture began to celebrate teh ghey in the late 90's, well, look what happened.

    WRT trannies, people born before the 90's were socialized with normal culture regarding gender. The whole tranny thing only really took off in the mid-2010's. So older people just don't understand what the hell is going on, and they still are bemused by the whole thing. People over 30 generally don't buy into fashion, so it's not like they are suddenly going to affect a tranny identity to be more appealing to Gen Z.
  6. The fact that white males lead the increase in, and are the most represented as other than hetero isn’t surprising. Children are being taught the worst thing to be is a straight white male, so of course more of those will claim to be something other than. Further, children are learning that homosexuals are above criticism and worshiped like gods. In a child’s mind, who wouldn’t want that?

    In previous years, when it was still considered ok to be white – how many immigrants would alter their names in order to “seem” more Anglo American? Jews, Italians, and Irish all changed their names to fit in. As Sailer has pointed out, in years past darker hued celebrities spent lots and lots of money to alter their skin tone to become lighter. True homos would pretend to be straight. But the zeigteist has shifted.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Flight from white, as he memorably coined (or at least popularized) it.
  7. At my college, there was a gay something or other called the “1 in 10.” I thought it was a wild over-estimate, as did others, and I wouldn’t be surprised if its backers also thought so.

  8. These figures will probably go higher, given that the JWO oligarchy has declared Globohomo as world social policy.

  9. They’re yanking the testers chain. Or maybe twenty percent of under twenty men really are taking it in the keester. I don’t see that and I work in a prison where presumably you would see more not less of same sex behavior.

  10. The whole gay/trans thing is just a fashion and lifestyle trend. That is all. We’ve had hippies, yuppies, goth, emo, hipsters and so on. Now we have gay/trans which is largely just a media promoted trend.

    • Replies: @dfordoom

    The whole gay/trans thing is just a fashion and lifestyle trend. That is all. We’ve had hippies, yuppies, goth, emo, hipsters and so on. Now we have gay/trans which is largely just a media promoted trend.
     
    To a large extent yes. It's not only very unfashionable to be heterosexual, it's socially disadvantageous and it exposes you to the danger of being labelled a Nazi. If you're a weak-willed weak-minded male it's very tempting to improve your social status by pretending to be LGBTqwerty.

    The danger is that some of these weak-willed weak-minded males will get drawn into the LGBT lifestyle and have their lives destroyed.
  11. Whites and men are more likely to identify as non-heterosexual than non-whites and women are.

    Many White men would phuck a rock pile if they thought a snake was in it. Blacks too. Divorce lawyers rely on these rock pile “animal spirits” for their bread and butter and Mercedes-Benze automobile purchases.

    This gender bender business and all this hubba hubba horsehit about this or that prostate pulser positioning is the talk of a rotting and decadent and rancid empire about to implode with a big wump wump thump.

    The undertow of squalid sexual mumbo jumbo and ass slapping foppery in the American Empire is right out of Aldous Huxley’s Brave New World.

    What we got is that Blacks got the balls but they ain’t got the brains, and Whites got the balls and brains, and Asians got the brains but they ain’t got the balls. Expert sociologists such as federal judge Allison Dale Burroughs and many cohort sniffing sociologists at Harvard would agree.

    I blame Cole Porter, Milton Berle, John Irving, John Lithgow, Helen Gurley Brown, Aunt Blabby, Maude Frickert and Jonathan Winters for all this gender bender confusion and anything goes sexual free for all that is the Tower of Babel and Sodom and Gomorrah all rolled into one big imperial implosion freakout.

    As usual, my statesmanlike policy prescription is to raise the federal funds rate to 20 percent in order to wipe away the avarice and riotous carnality and sins and sludge that is destroying the USA.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    You've got a way with words, Charles! I just don't know what you're trying to say with these ones.
    , @Rosie

    What we got is that Blacks got the balls but they ain’t got the brains, and Whites got the balls and brains, and Asians got the brains but they ain’t got the balls. Expert sociologists such as federal judge Allison Dale Burroughs and many cohort sniffing sociologists at Harvard would agree.
     
    As do I.

    I think a little comic relief is in order, from a particularly fine specimen of White manhood.

    It's useful in the underbrush to have a hefty spear
    But what we do with the ol' bamboo makes everybody cheer.


    Lol

    https://youtu.be/SUr7fu-LXj4

    (Yes, I have been drinking wine, as per the stereotype, but not out of a box!)
    , @MikeatMikedotMike
    "What we got is that Blacks got the balls "

    I disagree. Blacks behave like a mix of hyenas and African honey bees. Which is to say, a combination of cheap opportunists combined with a complete disregard for consequences. We're talking about people who take their infant children with them on drive by shootings. Nothing ballsy about it.

    But perhaps that is an unfair comparison for the both the latter species.
  12. @Achmed E. Newman
    In no way does that 18% represent the reality of these young people. They have just gone through years and years of brainwashing, and have been encouraged the whole time to become genderbenders. This starts very early - see K-12 LGBT. They'll get better... but probably not before the downfall of the country after Peak Stupidity.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzYO0joolR0

    Oh, and what BlackC just wrote.

    White male Millennials do not report having a higher number of male “partners” than white X-ers or white Boomers (per the GSS). So no, the inherent sexuality of people isn’t changing all that much, although it should be said that white female Millennials and Gen Z report more lesbian encounters than older generations. That being said, females of course are much more subject to fashion than males are. So once mainstream culture began to celebrate teh ghey in the late 90’s, well, look what happened.

    WRT trannies, people born before the 90’s were socialized with normal culture regarding gender. The whole tranny thing only really took off in the mid-2010’s. So older people just don’t understand what the hell is going on, and they still are bemused by the whole thing. People over 30 generally don’t buy into fashion, so it’s not like they are suddenly going to affect a tranny identity to be more appealing to Gen Z.

    • Replies: @216
    Adoption of the T identity is not dependent on actually undergoing hormonal treatment or surgery. It also provides a near-ironclad defense against any privilege checking. The main reason appears to be that T prostitutes (black) suffer considerable "occupational hazards", which are somehow the result of neo-Nazi terrorists rather than black serial killers.

    There isn't much the Right can do here, IMO, as we have no influence in the culture industry and thus lack moral authority. What we can do is demand that political ideology be added as a protected class alongside sexual orientation, at least while we still have legislative influence. But this goes against Conservatism Inc which wants us as a helpless victim that can only cuck and vote, rather than file lawsuits or boycott.
  13. There is probably some overreporting there, but I don’t find it unreasonable to believe that there has been a noticeable increase in these things since the 1990s. That is what we get from the relentless media propaganda glamorizing homosexuality and its offshoots (and painting a completely false picture of what it actually is). And public education, of course, but in our time the entertainment media is far more important in forming attitudes and conceptions.

    Hollywood and cable company producers have much to answer for indeed.

    The tragedy that strikes me most vividly when reading these figures, however, is not the demographic disaster, but rather the untold thousands of potentially normal, happy lives that have been, are being and will be ruined when naïve, thoroughly propagandized youths are led into these subcultures by their celebrity idols expecting the dreams presented by television… only to find the nightmarish reality of horrifying sex abuse, drug addition, psychosis and (in many cases) ultimately suicide instead.

    All politics set momentarily aside, this premeditated and malicious seduction of innocent children is nothing short of pure evil.

    • Replies: @Talha

    relentless media propaganda glamorizing homosexuality and its offshoots

     

    Why you sad, sick, bigoted bastard! How dare you suggest that learning about rectal penetration with your ABC's is not a normal course of education for toddlers!!!
    https://www.amazon.com/GayBCs-M-L-Webb/dp/1683691628/

    Now we'll have to find out who employs you and destroy your livelihood!

    Peace...?
  14. Parasitic castration virulence arising from horizontal transmission.

    Recognizing these evolutionary phenomena as present in human society are, after reading, writing and arithmetic, the most important skills for whites to master.

  15. @John Regan
    There is probably some overreporting there, but I don't find it unreasonable to believe that there has been a noticeable increase in these things since the 1990s. That is what we get from the relentless media propaganda glamorizing homosexuality and its offshoots (and painting a completely false picture of what it actually is). And public education, of course, but in our time the entertainment media is far more important in forming attitudes and conceptions.

    Hollywood and cable company producers have much to answer for indeed.

    The tragedy that strikes me most vividly when reading these figures, however, is not the demographic disaster, but rather the untold thousands of potentially normal, happy lives that have been, are being and will be ruined when naïve, thoroughly propagandized youths are led into these subcultures by their celebrity idols expecting the dreams presented by television... only to find the nightmarish reality of horrifying sex abuse, drug addition, psychosis and (in many cases) ultimately suicide instead.

    All politics set momentarily aside, this premeditated and malicious seduction of innocent children is nothing short of pure evil.

    relentless media propaganda glamorizing homosexuality and its offshoots

    Why you sad, sick, bigoted bastard! How dare you suggest that learning about rectal penetration with your ABC’s is not a normal course of education for toddlers!!!

    Now we’ll have to find out who employs you and destroy your livelihood!

    Peace…?

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    A formula for social peace that most certainly is not.
  16. The reason that homosexuality is the highest among white men is because the bottom 10% of white men are drawn towards White Nationalism, which is an ideology that is almost 100% male.

    Remember, about 40% of White Nationalists openly say that they would rather have sex with a white man than a black woman, because they believe that racial solidarity trumps sexual orientation, and that producing no baby is better than producing a mulatto baby. Since a white woman will not have them, their next highest preference is a white man.

    I have said this for a while, but these charts corroborate what is widely known about recent trends in WN subculture.

    Expect this 40% figure to rise, and for more people to point out the huge homosexual component in WN subculture.

    • Troll: John Regan
    • Replies: @The Dark Night
    I always wondered why homos like Nazi uniform.
    , @albionrevisited
    This has to be a troll. You don't seem to know anything about WN circles and I'm not sure where you're getting the "about 40% of White Nationalists openly say that they would rather have sex with a white man than a black woman" claim from, but I can assure you that it's completely false. The bottom 10% of white men are not "drawn" to WN. Most people in the bottom 10% of any ethnic group are a-political and non-ideological.
    , @SaneClownPosse
    Well, uncle Adolph was gay. Oh, and Jewish.

    http://mileswmathis.com/hiller.pdf

    I think it's hilarious these white goy dudes get together and mimic Adolph. Dressing like Village types from the 1970's.

    Truth may be that the WN movement is another intelligence project to discredit ... White people.
    , @Anonymous
    Thomm is a known Indian Troll.
  17. I’d wager that most of these folks are probably predominantly straight claiming brownie points as “bi.” It’s a fad.

    • Replies: @Talha
    Hmmm...an idea; perhaps everyone just claims to be “Bi” from now on to get the associated points but simply live out your life in a traditional family with kids anyway. When they ask you why you never got with a guy, just say; I never found the right one.

    If everyone is a freak, being a freak doesn’t mean anything any more.

    Peace.
  18. @Fidelios Automata
    I'd wager that most of these folks are probably predominantly straight claiming brownie points as "bi." It's a fad.

    Hmmm…an idea; perhaps everyone just claims to be “Bi” from now on to get the associated points but simply live out your life in a traditional family with kids anyway. When they ask you why you never got with a guy, just say; I never found the right one.

    If everyone is a freak, being a freak doesn’t mean anything any more.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    It's not a bad strategy (tactically-speaking--it's depressing, though). What HR person or admissions officer is going to question a person's sexuality? I'm sure they're all scared to death of doing something like that, so it must be easy to get away with and it has no obvious drawback.
    , @Jon

    Hmmm…an idea; perhaps everyone just claims to be “Bi” from now on to get the associated points but simply live out your life in a traditional family with kids anyway. When they ask you why you never got with a guy, just say; I never found the right one.
     
    I've always thought that this was the little loophole that they missed. And as a married man, I have the added excuse know that I "would never cheat on my wife" but I still get to be bi. Never put it into practice when applying for a job, though.
  19. At the height of the Vietnam war there was one way out of the draft but few men were willing to avail themselves of it. Simply declare yourself to be a homosexual and you were exempt from military service. Such were the social consequences then most men, including many genuine gay men, were willing to take their chances rather than humiliate their families and tarnish their futures with the homosexual label.

    A dozen years after 1968 the Great Gay Plague erupted. Thousands of homosexual men began dying each month from AIDS. The only positive to being a modern day leper was that incidents of gay bashing declined rapidly. No one, not even a red neck bully wanted to get a homosexual man’s bodily fluids on them. Maybe half the adult homosexual population in the United States died from or contracted HIV/AIDS.

    Rather than push this psycho/sexual condition back deep into the closet where it belonged it somehow emboldened the survivors to parade around a giant quilt memorializing their fallen bath house cowboys and demand their perversion be accepted as ‘normal’.

    • Replies: @216
    The true problem of Gay Pride is that it has been able to subvert the church into an intellectual straightjacket.
  20. @Charles Pewitt

    Whites and men are more likely to identify as non-heterosexual than non-whites and women are.

     

    Many White men would phuck a rock pile if they thought a snake was in it. Blacks too. Divorce lawyers rely on these rock pile "animal spirits" for their bread and butter and Mercedes-Benze automobile purchases.

    This gender bender business and all this hubba hubba horsehit about this or that prostate pulser positioning is the talk of a rotting and decadent and rancid empire about to implode with a big wump wump thump.

    The undertow of squalid sexual mumbo jumbo and ass slapping foppery in the American Empire is right out of Aldous Huxley's Brave New World.

    What we got is that Blacks got the balls but they ain't got the brains, and Whites got the balls and brains, and Asians got the brains but they ain't got the balls. Expert sociologists such as federal judge Allison Dale Burroughs and many cohort sniffing sociologists at Harvard would agree.

    I blame Cole Porter, Milton Berle, John Irving, John Lithgow, Helen Gurley Brown, Aunt Blabby, Maude Frickert and Jonathan Winters for all this gender bender confusion and anything goes sexual free for all that is the Tower of Babel and Sodom and Gomorrah all rolled into one big imperial implosion freakout.

    As usual, my statesmanlike policy prescription is to raise the federal funds rate to 20 percent in order to wipe away the avarice and riotous carnality and sins and sludge that is destroying the USA.

    You’ve got a way with words, Charles! I just don’t know what you’re trying to say with these ones.

  21. @Feryl
    White male Millennials do not report having a higher number of male "partners" than white X-ers or white Boomers (per the GSS). So no, the inherent sexuality of people isn't changing all that much, although it should be said that white female Millennials and Gen Z report more lesbian encounters than older generations. That being said, females of course are much more subject to fashion than males are. So once mainstream culture began to celebrate teh ghey in the late 90's, well, look what happened.

    WRT trannies, people born before the 90's were socialized with normal culture regarding gender. The whole tranny thing only really took off in the mid-2010's. So older people just don't understand what the hell is going on, and they still are bemused by the whole thing. People over 30 generally don't buy into fashion, so it's not like they are suddenly going to affect a tranny identity to be more appealing to Gen Z.

    Adoption of the T identity is not dependent on actually undergoing hormonal treatment or surgery. It also provides a near-ironclad defense against any privilege checking. The main reason appears to be that T prostitutes (black) suffer considerable “occupational hazards”, which are somehow the result of neo-Nazi terrorists rather than black serial killers.

    There isn’t much the Right can do here, IMO, as we have no influence in the culture industry and thus lack moral authority. What we can do is demand that political ideology be added as a protected class alongside sexual orientation, at least while we still have legislative influence. But this goes against Conservatism Inc which wants us as a helpless victim that can only cuck and vote, rather than file lawsuits or boycott.

  22. @unit472
    At the height of the Vietnam war there was one way out of the draft but few men were willing to avail themselves of it. Simply declare yourself to be a homosexual and you were exempt from military service. Such were the social consequences then most men, including many genuine gay men, were willing to take their chances rather than humiliate their families and tarnish their futures with the homosexual label.

    A dozen years after 1968 the Great Gay Plague erupted. Thousands of homosexual men began dying each month from AIDS. The only positive to being a modern day leper was that incidents of gay bashing declined rapidly. No one, not even a red neck bully wanted to get a homosexual man's bodily fluids on them. Maybe half the adult homosexual population in the United States died from or contracted HIV/AIDS.

    Rather than push this psycho/sexual condition back deep into the closet where it belonged it somehow emboldened the survivors to parade around a giant quilt memorializing their fallen bath house cowboys and demand their perversion be accepted as 'normal'.

    The true problem of Gay Pride is that it has been able to subvert the church into an intellectual straightjacket.

    • Replies: @RSDB
    There are a lot of these things ("subverting the Church" often with the power of government behind) through history. Islam is probably the most honest one as it just sets itself up as a plain rival. But the sacrifice to the emperor, the Oath of Supremacy, the acceptance of remarriage, the acceptance of sodomy etc. is a long (and very incomplete) list. There's a rather disturbing shift in it though from questions about patriotism to questions about sex.
  23. @Talha
    Well yeah. At this rate, even if you cut off immigration completely and let’s say these rates stay static and don’t move further up. All you have to do is project the numbers over, say, four generations and it’s pretty obvious white people will have screwed themselves (literally and figuratively). They’ve got to change this and fast!

    It’s also possible that as these initial Pozzed folks get eliminated from the gene pool, the percentages will reach some equilibrium as they make room for more healthy individuals.

    Peace.

    A rabbi told me that there was a secret meeting on a paedophile island, on 06.06.06, where the Elders of Zion decided to make all white people go homo.

    This is what’s happening.

    • Replies: @Talha
    LOL! While it does seem that Jewish attitudes towards homosexuality are generally less hostile than many other people (AE had a graphic posted about this a while back), I personally think this reflects something that seems to infect a society once you get wealthy and opulent; namely moral decay and decadence tends to follow and this seems to happen all around the world and in multiple historical civilizations.

    https://steemitimages.com/640x0/http://i.4cdn.org/pol/1514597154612.jpg

    Peace.
  24. @Thomm
    The reason that homosexuality is the highest among white men is because the bottom 10% of white men are drawn towards White Nationalism, which is an ideology that is almost 100% male.

    Remember, about 40% of White Nationalists openly say that they would rather have sex with a white man than a black woman, because they believe that racial solidarity trumps sexual orientation, and that producing no baby is better than producing a mulatto baby. Since a white woman will not have them, their next highest preference is a white man.

    I have said this for a while, but these charts corroborate what is widely known about recent trends in WN subculture.

    Expect this 40% figure to rise, and for more people to point out the huge homosexual component in WN subculture.

    I always wondered why homos like Nazi uniform.

  25. @Thomm
    The reason that homosexuality is the highest among white men is because the bottom 10% of white men are drawn towards White Nationalism, which is an ideology that is almost 100% male.

    Remember, about 40% of White Nationalists openly say that they would rather have sex with a white man than a black woman, because they believe that racial solidarity trumps sexual orientation, and that producing no baby is better than producing a mulatto baby. Since a white woman will not have them, their next highest preference is a white man.

    I have said this for a while, but these charts corroborate what is widely known about recent trends in WN subculture.

    Expect this 40% figure to rise, and for more people to point out the huge homosexual component in WN subculture.

    This has to be a troll. You don’t seem to know anything about WN circles and I’m not sure where you’re getting the “about 40% of White Nationalists openly say that they would rather have sex with a white man than a black woman” claim from, but I can assure you that it’s completely false. The bottom 10% of white men are not “drawn” to WN. Most people in the bottom 10% of any ethnic group are a-political and non-ideological.

    • Replies: @MBlanc46
    Indeed. Thomm is a troll.
    , @MikeatMikedotMike
    You're attempting to debate one of the most obscenely stupid people to have ever learned the alphabet. That's no dig at you, either. He is a dot Indian so ashamed of his heritage that he claims to be white.

    Put him on ignore and be done with it. His comments are all the same. But he still manages to suck otherwise intelligent people into his trolling.
    , @Thomm
    False. This is a well-known fact.

    Everyone from John Derbyshire to Jack Donovan to Heartiste has pointed out the high incidence of homosexuality in the WN subculture. Even on this thread, many agree that this is prevalent.

    Your jig is up. You are not fooling anybody.

    Most people in the bottom 10% of any ethnic group are a-political and non-ideological.
     
    Wrong again. The bottom 10% of people are very tribal, which is why they are drawn to this ideology which is nothing more than crude "muh tribe!! muh tribe!!" ooga booga chants.

    Remember that any ideology that explicitly courts female participants, yet utterly fails to do so (WN is almost 100% male) is, by definition, populated with the lowest tier and/or gay males. Heartiste recognized why this made WN dead on arrival, so he desperately tried, for years, to try to get men outside of the bottom 10% involved in WN (to no avail).
  26. @Achmed E. Newman
    When you're 65+, it doesn't matter what letter you call your own. It doesn't change anything. Even as a 65 y/o woman who identifies as a man, no sane OB/GYN will risk performing a senior-citizen adedictome.

    Isn’t gender reassignment surgery purely cosmetic, like a boob job? It’s the antithesis of accepting yourself for who you are. Gay pride is putatively about embracing yourself as you are even when society sees that as deviant. But pretending to be something you’re not is pure make believe.

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
    Homosexual pride marches are a show of force. Deviant force at that.
    , @anon
    Isn’t gender reassignment surgery purely cosmetic, like a boob job?

    In the case of men "transitioning" the full menu includes life-long dosing with estrogen, plus castration and some internal surgery. I won't post links, but it's easy to find videos of the surgical process, probably not a good idea to view at work or too close to mealtime.

    So, no, it isn't. It's serious mutilation.
  27. @MikeatMikedotMike
    The fact that white males lead the increase in, and are the most represented as other than hetero isn't surprising. Children are being taught the worst thing to be is a straight white male, so of course more of those will claim to be something other than. Further, children are learning that homosexuals are above criticism and worshiped like gods. In a child's mind, who wouldn't want that?

    In previous years, when it was still considered ok to be white - how many immigrants would alter their names in order to "seem" more Anglo American? Jews, Italians, and Irish all changed their names to fit in. As Sailer has pointed out, in years past darker hued celebrities spent lots and lots of money to alter their skin tone to become lighter. True homos would pretend to be straight. But the zeigteist has shifted.

    Flight from white, as he memorably coined (or at least popularized) it.

  28. @Talha

    relentless media propaganda glamorizing homosexuality and its offshoots

     

    Why you sad, sick, bigoted bastard! How dare you suggest that learning about rectal penetration with your ABC's is not a normal course of education for toddlers!!!
    https://www.amazon.com/GayBCs-M-L-Webb/dp/1683691628/

    Now we'll have to find out who employs you and destroy your livelihood!

    Peace...?

    A formula for social peace that most certainly is not.

  29. @Talha
    Hmmm...an idea; perhaps everyone just claims to be “Bi” from now on to get the associated points but simply live out your life in a traditional family with kids anyway. When they ask you why you never got with a guy, just say; I never found the right one.

    If everyone is a freak, being a freak doesn’t mean anything any more.

    Peace.

    It’s not a bad strategy (tactically-speaking–it’s depressing, though). What HR person or admissions officer is going to question a person’s sexuality? I’m sure they’re all scared to death of doing something like that, so it must be easy to get away with and it has no obvious drawback.

    • Replies: @Feryl
    It's still profoundly disconcerting, to people born before 1990, to make bogus claims that you have an abnormal sexual identity. Hell, honestly admitting that you are gay or trans is something that older generations lied about to a larger degree. See: male blacks born before 1960 listing fewer same sex partners than later generations of blacks on the GSS. Something don't smell right, here....White guys of all generations list similar numbers of same sex partners, BTW.
  30. Young people want to be included. Not caring so much is the best thing about getting older. In NZ, its even worse than i n UK/US. People here will do anything not to be thought stuck up and will henpeck anyone who doesn’t conform. In Kiwi English, it’s called either the Tall Poppy Syndrome or the Crab in the Bucket Syndrome.

    So it’s a case of:

    “I my be white and male, but I’ll do anything if you’ll let me be your friend. Please don’t leave me out of the playground soccer team.”

  31. @Audacious Epigone
    It's not a bad strategy (tactically-speaking--it's depressing, though). What HR person or admissions officer is going to question a person's sexuality? I'm sure they're all scared to death of doing something like that, so it must be easy to get away with and it has no obvious drawback.

    It’s still profoundly disconcerting, to people born before 1990, to make bogus claims that you have an abnormal sexual identity. Hell, honestly admitting that you are gay or trans is something that older generations lied about to a larger degree. See: male blacks born before 1960 listing fewer same sex partners than later generations of blacks on the GSS. Something don’t smell right, here….White guys of all generations list similar numbers of same sex partners, BTW.

    • Replies: @SFG
    Well...if 60 years ago you could lie about being straight, why not lie about being gay?

    You could even find a (hetero) same-sex confederate to go to events with as an LGBTQ if you wanted some sort of proof as a 'reverse beard'.

    Being rather old to be unmarried I've often thought of alluding to a boyfriend as a cover. 'Gay' sounds better than 'afraid of divorce-rape'.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    Are gay incels a thing? They must be.

    That's somewhat rhetorical. I know one personally.
  32. @Charles Pewitt

    Whites and men are more likely to identify as non-heterosexual than non-whites and women are.

     

    Many White men would phuck a rock pile if they thought a snake was in it. Blacks too. Divorce lawyers rely on these rock pile "animal spirits" for their bread and butter and Mercedes-Benze automobile purchases.

    This gender bender business and all this hubba hubba horsehit about this or that prostate pulser positioning is the talk of a rotting and decadent and rancid empire about to implode with a big wump wump thump.

    The undertow of squalid sexual mumbo jumbo and ass slapping foppery in the American Empire is right out of Aldous Huxley's Brave New World.

    What we got is that Blacks got the balls but they ain't got the brains, and Whites got the balls and brains, and Asians got the brains but they ain't got the balls. Expert sociologists such as federal judge Allison Dale Burroughs and many cohort sniffing sociologists at Harvard would agree.

    I blame Cole Porter, Milton Berle, John Irving, John Lithgow, Helen Gurley Brown, Aunt Blabby, Maude Frickert and Jonathan Winters for all this gender bender confusion and anything goes sexual free for all that is the Tower of Babel and Sodom and Gomorrah all rolled into one big imperial implosion freakout.

    As usual, my statesmanlike policy prescription is to raise the federal funds rate to 20 percent in order to wipe away the avarice and riotous carnality and sins and sludge that is destroying the USA.

    What we got is that Blacks got the balls but they ain’t got the brains, and Whites got the balls and brains, and Asians got the brains but they ain’t got the balls. Expert sociologists such as federal judge Allison Dale Burroughs and many cohort sniffing sociologists at Harvard would agree.

    As do I.

    I think a little comic relief is in order, from a particularly fine specimen of White manhood.

    It’s useful in the underbrush to have a hefty spear
    But what we do with the ol’ bamboo makes everybody cheer.

    Lol

    (Yes, I have been drinking wine, as per the stereotype, but not out of a box!)

    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt
    Dutch guy singing about a collier in the pits of Wales. John Derbyshire says some of his people were coal miners in England.

    If Steve Sailer saw a clip of Chitty Chitty Bang Bang he would write up 4 or 5 blog postings on Raj Chetty.

    That movie was on TV a lot when I was younger. It's too much fun and too full of White people to be featured now.

    Angela Lansbury and Dick Van Dyke had great careers in movies and TV because they were very likable. Their late career TV stuff was a big hit.
  33. @albionrevisited
    This has to be a troll. You don't seem to know anything about WN circles and I'm not sure where you're getting the "about 40% of White Nationalists openly say that they would rather have sex with a white man than a black woman" claim from, but I can assure you that it's completely false. The bottom 10% of white men are not "drawn" to WN. Most people in the bottom 10% of any ethnic group are a-political and non-ideological.

    Indeed. Thomm is a troll.

    • Replies: @Rosie

    Indeed. Thomm is a troll.
     
    Thomm is certainly a troll, but he is not wrong about homosexuality in WN culture. Hatred of women eventually is going to lead there, just as radical feminism leads to lesbianism.

    Buttercup Dew, who writes for Counter Currents, has said that married men should be free to pursue recreational homosexuality to break their wives' power.

    In mainstream culture, the claim is that women are exactly like men. In the dissident Right, women are utterly alien creatures with a completely different nature. To the extent that is the case, intimacy is impossible and we are not fit romantic partners for men.

  34. @MBlanc46
    Indeed. Thomm is a troll.

    Indeed. Thomm is a troll.

    Thomm is certainly a troll, but he is not wrong about homosexuality in WN culture. Hatred of women eventually is going to lead there, just as radical feminism leads to lesbianism.

    Buttercup Dew, who writes for Counter Currents, has said that married men should be free to pursue recreational homosexuality to break their wives’ power.

    In mainstream culture, the claim is that women are exactly like men. In the dissident Right, women are utterly alien creatures with a completely different nature. To the extent that is the case, intimacy is impossible and we are not fit romantic partners for men.

    • Replies: @216

    In the dissident Right, women are utterly alien creatures with a completely different nature.
     
    The more predatory aspects of female nature have been unrestrained, and even encouraged in the mainstream liberal culture. Dissident right males are often exiles from this culture, via either inceldom or divorce.

    There isn't a lot of self-criticism of male nature within our movements, what we sadly get is often a glorified machismo-posing that encourages the Purity Spiral.

    If we were more self-critical, people like Lauren Southern wouldn't exist, as they'd be quickly recognized for being grifters and thirst exploiters.

    Buttercup Dew, who writes for Counter Currents, has said that married men should be free to pursue recreational homosexuality to break their wives’ power.
     
    Don't be a homo kids, be a Volcel
    , @MikeatMikedotMike
    "Thomm is certainly a troll, but he is not wrong about homosexuality in WN culture. "

    LOL. This is a bold faced lie. You need to cite more than one individual who goes by the name "Buttercup" to qualify that wagon full of horseshit. I suppose I could cite Allen West in an attempt to convince the group that blacks are mostly patriotic conservatives.

    "Hatred of women "

    This is rhetoric worthy of a 6 figure position at the SPLC, and why you mostly get laughed at here because it just comes across as hyperbolic screeching worthy of a pink hat. Perhaps you should change your name here to Rosenstein? There is no hatred of women, generally speaking. That is another lie. What there is, is contempt for the behavior women engage in that has been enabled by our cultural gate keepers.

    Feminism IS the hatred of men. Their rhetoric is all about competing with, being equal or better than, and or the total submission/elimination of men. Men (and women) who have a mind for chivalry however, recognize that men and women offer different but equally important roles in the creation of family and society and would prefer a return to that course.

    " To the extent that is the case, intimacy is impossible and we are not fit romantic partners for men."

    You like most men and women alike, have been duped into thinking that marriage was mostly ever about romance to begin with. Marriage was always about a partnership, or arrangement, or an alliance; it was a practical creation, meant to create more children to continue the line and get the work done. The significance of intimacy and romance is a mostly recent application to the practice thanks to Romanticism and later Hollywood. Not that intimacy and romance can't be a part of marriage, they can, but they were never meant to be the foundation of a successful union.
  35. @albionrevisited
    This has to be a troll. You don't seem to know anything about WN circles and I'm not sure where you're getting the "about 40% of White Nationalists openly say that they would rather have sex with a white man than a black woman" claim from, but I can assure you that it's completely false. The bottom 10% of white men are not "drawn" to WN. Most people in the bottom 10% of any ethnic group are a-political and non-ideological.

    You’re attempting to debate one of the most obscenely stupid people to have ever learned the alphabet. That’s no dig at you, either. He is a dot Indian so ashamed of his heritage that he claims to be white.

    Put him on ignore and be done with it. His comments are all the same. But he still manages to suck otherwise intelligent people into his trolling.

    • Replies: @Thomm
    I already destroyed the obese, gay, pizza delivery truck driver here :

    http://www.unz.com/anepigone/gops-to-lose/#comment-3434221


    The projection exhibited by these WN faggots is total.
  36. @Audacious Epigone
    Isn't gender reassignment surgery purely cosmetic, like a boob job? It's the antithesis of accepting yourself for who you are. Gay pride is putatively about embracing yourself as you are even when society sees that as deviant. But pretending to be something you're not is pure make believe.

    Homosexual pride marches are a show of force. Deviant force at that.

    • Replies: @Talha
    Correct, they are letting people know they can do this in the West in full public view with armed police escort protection:
    https://www.twitter.com/FEMENSWE/status/610116416600186880

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GIAfQUOwKYs

    Where it needs to get eventually is the police having legal mandate to prevent and disperse these gatherings:
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qGfpMgjYVh0

    Peace.
  37. @Charles Pewitt

    Whites and men are more likely to identify as non-heterosexual than non-whites and women are.

     

    Many White men would phuck a rock pile if they thought a snake was in it. Blacks too. Divorce lawyers rely on these rock pile "animal spirits" for their bread and butter and Mercedes-Benze automobile purchases.

    This gender bender business and all this hubba hubba horsehit about this or that prostate pulser positioning is the talk of a rotting and decadent and rancid empire about to implode with a big wump wump thump.

    The undertow of squalid sexual mumbo jumbo and ass slapping foppery in the American Empire is right out of Aldous Huxley's Brave New World.

    What we got is that Blacks got the balls but they ain't got the brains, and Whites got the balls and brains, and Asians got the brains but they ain't got the balls. Expert sociologists such as federal judge Allison Dale Burroughs and many cohort sniffing sociologists at Harvard would agree.

    I blame Cole Porter, Milton Berle, John Irving, John Lithgow, Helen Gurley Brown, Aunt Blabby, Maude Frickert and Jonathan Winters for all this gender bender confusion and anything goes sexual free for all that is the Tower of Babel and Sodom and Gomorrah all rolled into one big imperial implosion freakout.

    As usual, my statesmanlike policy prescription is to raise the federal funds rate to 20 percent in order to wipe away the avarice and riotous carnality and sins and sludge that is destroying the USA.

    “What we got is that Blacks got the balls ”

    I disagree. Blacks behave like a mix of hyenas and African honey bees. Which is to say, a combination of cheap opportunists combined with a complete disregard for consequences. We’re talking about people who take their infant children with them on drive by shootings. Nothing ballsy about it.

    But perhaps that is an unfair comparison for the both the latter species.

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
  38. @MikeatMikedotMike
    Homosexual pride marches are a show of force. Deviant force at that.

    Correct, they are letting people know they can do this in the West in full public view with armed police escort protection:

    Where it needs to get eventually is the police having legal mandate to prevent and disperse these gatherings:

    Peace.

  39. @Rosie

    Indeed. Thomm is a troll.
     
    Thomm is certainly a troll, but he is not wrong about homosexuality in WN culture. Hatred of women eventually is going to lead there, just as radical feminism leads to lesbianism.

    Buttercup Dew, who writes for Counter Currents, has said that married men should be free to pursue recreational homosexuality to break their wives' power.

    In mainstream culture, the claim is that women are exactly like men. In the dissident Right, women are utterly alien creatures with a completely different nature. To the extent that is the case, intimacy is impossible and we are not fit romantic partners for men.

    In the dissident Right, women are utterly alien creatures with a completely different nature.

    The more predatory aspects of female nature have been unrestrained, and even encouraged in the mainstream liberal culture. Dissident right males are often exiles from this culture, via either inceldom or divorce.

    There isn’t a lot of self-criticism of male nature within our movements, what we sadly get is often a glorified machismo-posing that encourages the Purity Spiral.

    If we were more self-critical, people like Lauren Southern wouldn’t exist, as they’d be quickly recognized for being grifters and thirst exploiters.

    Buttercup Dew, who writes for Counter Currents, has said that married men should be free to pursue recreational homosexuality to break their wives’ power.

    Don’t be a homo kids, be a Volcel

    • Replies: @Rosie

    The more predatory aspects of female nature have been unrestrained, and even encouraged in the mainstream liberal culture.
     
    Manosphere criticisms of women are nothing but a pack of lies.

    Dissident right males are often exiles from this culture, via either inceldom or divorce.
     
    There are no incels, only men who won't join a club that will have them as a member.
  40. @216

    In the dissident Right, women are utterly alien creatures with a completely different nature.
     
    The more predatory aspects of female nature have been unrestrained, and even encouraged in the mainstream liberal culture. Dissident right males are often exiles from this culture, via either inceldom or divorce.

    There isn't a lot of self-criticism of male nature within our movements, what we sadly get is often a glorified machismo-posing that encourages the Purity Spiral.

    If we were more self-critical, people like Lauren Southern wouldn't exist, as they'd be quickly recognized for being grifters and thirst exploiters.

    Buttercup Dew, who writes for Counter Currents, has said that married men should be free to pursue recreational homosexuality to break their wives’ power.
     
    Don't be a homo kids, be a Volcel

    The more predatory aspects of female nature have been unrestrained, and even encouraged in the mainstream liberal culture.

    Manosphere criticisms of women are nothing but a pack of lies.

    Dissident right males are often exiles from this culture, via either inceldom or divorce.

    There are no incels, only men who won’t join a club that will have them as a member.

    • Replies: @216

    There are no incels, only men who won’t join a club that will have them as a member.
     
    This is mathematically untrue, for starters.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_sex_ratio

    Manosphere criticisms of women are nothing but a pack of lies.
     
    How is this any different from the rhetoric used by the ADL?

    We aren't Jews, so we can't criticize Jews. (But Jews can voluminously denigrate Christianity)

    We aren't women, so we can't criticize women. (But Rosie can voluminously denigrate men)
    , @Anon

    There are no incels, only men who won’t join a club that will have them as a member.
     
    I appreciate your unique female view here on Unz, Rosie.

    But in this case you are assuming that the world still operates under culturally enforced monogamy with assortative mating. We grew up in a time when what you are saying was true.

    Average men went with average women, outstanding men went with beautiful women, uggos went with uggos. An average man who only wanted a model would be left out in the cold, just as you say.

    But the sexual revolution unleashed all the base instincts of mankind. And the natural instinct for humanity seems to be polygyny. The average woman who hasn't been culturalized to want monogamy seems to prefer being one of many conquests of a highly desirable male rather than the sole mate of an average male. This is born out in both modern sociological studies and by the evidence of genetic anthropology. (Please tell me I don't sound like Whiskey)

    An average young male of average height (5'8.5"), average weight, average achievement and average income has a very low chance of dating a similarly aged average female. The young man I just described, unless he is lucky, is either single or dating the absolute dregs of the female side of the gene pool.

    People like you and I are lucky that we found love in a time when society wasn't quite so sick. But just because we were able to easily find a loving spouse, doesn't mean that younger people are facing anywhere near the same types of opportunity.
  41. @Rosie

    The more predatory aspects of female nature have been unrestrained, and even encouraged in the mainstream liberal culture.
     
    Manosphere criticisms of women are nothing but a pack of lies.

    Dissident right males are often exiles from this culture, via either inceldom or divorce.
     
    There are no incels, only men who won't join a club that will have them as a member.

    There are no incels, only men who won’t join a club that will have them as a member.

    This is mathematically untrue, for starters.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_sex_ratio

    Manosphere criticisms of women are nothing but a pack of lies.

    How is this any different from the rhetoric used by the ADL?

    We aren’t Jews, so we can’t criticize Jews. (But Jews can voluminously denigrate Christianity)

    We aren’t women, so we can’t criticize women. (But Rosie can voluminously denigrate men)

    • Replies: @Rosie

    We aren’t women, so we can’t criticize women. (But Rosie can voluminously denigrate men)
     
    What on Earth are you talking about? I never said men couldn't criticize women. I just insist that you tell the truth when doing so.

    As I have explained elsewhere, manosphere attacks on women are not criticisms; they are insults. Criticism must be constructive, i.e. something you can fix. "Women are evil" is not a criticism.


    This is mathematically untrue, for starters.
     
    OK, so there are a very small number of real incels, larger in countries that practice female infanticide. I stand corrected.
    , @Anonymous
    What are you talking about? I criticize Orthodox Jews regularly.
  42. @216

    There are no incels, only men who won’t join a club that will have them as a member.
     
    This is mathematically untrue, for starters.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_sex_ratio

    Manosphere criticisms of women are nothing but a pack of lies.
     
    How is this any different from the rhetoric used by the ADL?

    We aren't Jews, so we can't criticize Jews. (But Jews can voluminously denigrate Christianity)

    We aren't women, so we can't criticize women. (But Rosie can voluminously denigrate men)

    We aren’t women, so we can’t criticize women. (But Rosie can voluminously denigrate men)

    What on Earth are you talking about? I never said men couldn’t criticize women. I just insist that you tell the truth when doing so.

    As I have explained elsewhere, manosphere attacks on women are not criticisms; they are insults. Criticism must be constructive, i.e. something you can fix. “Women are evil” is not a criticism.

    This is mathematically untrue, for starters.

    OK, so there are a very small number of real incels, larger in countries that practice female infanticide. I stand corrected.

  43. @Thomm
    The reason that homosexuality is the highest among white men is because the bottom 10% of white men are drawn towards White Nationalism, which is an ideology that is almost 100% male.

    Remember, about 40% of White Nationalists openly say that they would rather have sex with a white man than a black woman, because they believe that racial solidarity trumps sexual orientation, and that producing no baby is better than producing a mulatto baby. Since a white woman will not have them, their next highest preference is a white man.

    I have said this for a while, but these charts corroborate what is widely known about recent trends in WN subculture.

    Expect this 40% figure to rise, and for more people to point out the huge homosexual component in WN subculture.

    Well, uncle Adolph was gay. Oh, and Jewish.

    http://mileswmathis.com/hiller.pdf

    I think it’s hilarious these white goy dudes get together and mimic Adolph. Dressing like Village types from the 1970’s.

    Truth may be that the WN movement is another intelligence project to discredit … White people.

  44. @tanabear
    The whole gay/trans thing is just a fashion and lifestyle trend. That is all. We've had hippies, yuppies, goth, emo, hipsters and so on. Now we have gay/trans which is largely just a media promoted trend.

    The whole gay/trans thing is just a fashion and lifestyle trend. That is all. We’ve had hippies, yuppies, goth, emo, hipsters and so on. Now we have gay/trans which is largely just a media promoted trend.

    To a large extent yes. It’s not only very unfashionable to be heterosexual, it’s socially disadvantageous and it exposes you to the danger of being labelled a Nazi. If you’re a weak-willed weak-minded male it’s very tempting to improve your social status by pretending to be LGBTqwerty.

    The danger is that some of these weak-willed weak-minded males will get drawn into the LGBT lifestyle and have their lives destroyed.

    • Agree: Talha
    • Replies: @Talha

    The danger is that some of these weak-willed weak-minded males will get drawn into the LGBT lifestyle and have their lives destroyed.
     
    As Edward Dutton has been mentioning, this really is the new frontier on survival-of-the-fittest since we now have very long life expectancies and large scale death due to famine, disease and war is not so common (especially in certain regions).

    Peace.
  45. @216

    There are no incels, only men who won’t join a club that will have them as a member.
     
    This is mathematically untrue, for starters.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_sex_ratio

    Manosphere criticisms of women are nothing but a pack of lies.
     
    How is this any different from the rhetoric used by the ADL?

    We aren't Jews, so we can't criticize Jews. (But Jews can voluminously denigrate Christianity)

    We aren't women, so we can't criticize women. (But Rosie can voluminously denigrate men)

    What are you talking about? I criticize Orthodox Jews regularly.

  46. @Rosie

    Indeed. Thomm is a troll.
     
    Thomm is certainly a troll, but he is not wrong about homosexuality in WN culture. Hatred of women eventually is going to lead there, just as radical feminism leads to lesbianism.

    Buttercup Dew, who writes for Counter Currents, has said that married men should be free to pursue recreational homosexuality to break their wives' power.

    In mainstream culture, the claim is that women are exactly like men. In the dissident Right, women are utterly alien creatures with a completely different nature. To the extent that is the case, intimacy is impossible and we are not fit romantic partners for men.

    “Thomm is certainly a troll, but he is not wrong about homosexuality in WN culture. ”

    LOL. This is a bold faced lie. You need to cite more than one individual who goes by the name “Buttercup” to qualify that wagon full of horseshit. I suppose I could cite Allen West in an attempt to convince the group that blacks are mostly patriotic conservatives.

    “Hatred of women ”

    This is rhetoric worthy of a 6 figure position at the SPLC, and why you mostly get laughed at here because it just comes across as hyperbolic screeching worthy of a pink hat. Perhaps you should change your name here to Rosenstein? There is no hatred of women, generally speaking. That is another lie. What there is, is contempt for the behavior women engage in that has been enabled by our cultural gate keepers.

    Feminism IS the hatred of men. Their rhetoric is all about competing with, being equal or better than, and or the total submission/elimination of men. Men (and women) who have a mind for chivalry however, recognize that men and women offer different but equally important roles in the creation of family and society and would prefer a return to that course.

    ” To the extent that is the case, intimacy is impossible and we are not fit romantic partners for men.”

    You like most men and women alike, have been duped into thinking that marriage was mostly ever about romance to begin with. Marriage was always about a partnership, or arrangement, or an alliance; it was a practical creation, meant to create more children to continue the line and get the work done. The significance of intimacy and romance is a mostly recent application to the practice thanks to Romanticism and later Hollywood. Not that intimacy and romance can’t be a part of marriage, they can, but they were never meant to be the foundation of a successful union.

    • Replies: @Rosie

    This is a bold faced lie. You need to cite more than one individual who goes by the name “Buttercup” to qualify that wagon full of horseshit.
     
    I didn't just cite one example. What I am telling you is that homosexuality naturally follows from hatred of women.

    There is no hatred of women, generally speaking.
     

    Lol my achin' sides! Of you blame everything on women, using half-truths and outright lies, I don't know what else to call that but hate.

    Marriage was always about a partnership, or arrangement, or an alliance; it was a practical creation, meant to create more children to continue the line and get the work done.
     
    Point proven. Women are brood sows, not companions.
  47. @MikeatMikedotMike
    "Thomm is certainly a troll, but he is not wrong about homosexuality in WN culture. "

    LOL. This is a bold faced lie. You need to cite more than one individual who goes by the name "Buttercup" to qualify that wagon full of horseshit. I suppose I could cite Allen West in an attempt to convince the group that blacks are mostly patriotic conservatives.

    "Hatred of women "

    This is rhetoric worthy of a 6 figure position at the SPLC, and why you mostly get laughed at here because it just comes across as hyperbolic screeching worthy of a pink hat. Perhaps you should change your name here to Rosenstein? There is no hatred of women, generally speaking. That is another lie. What there is, is contempt for the behavior women engage in that has been enabled by our cultural gate keepers.

    Feminism IS the hatred of men. Their rhetoric is all about competing with, being equal or better than, and or the total submission/elimination of men. Men (and women) who have a mind for chivalry however, recognize that men and women offer different but equally important roles in the creation of family and society and would prefer a return to that course.

    " To the extent that is the case, intimacy is impossible and we are not fit romantic partners for men."

    You like most men and women alike, have been duped into thinking that marriage was mostly ever about romance to begin with. Marriage was always about a partnership, or arrangement, or an alliance; it was a practical creation, meant to create more children to continue the line and get the work done. The significance of intimacy and romance is a mostly recent application to the practice thanks to Romanticism and later Hollywood. Not that intimacy and romance can't be a part of marriage, they can, but they were never meant to be the foundation of a successful union.

    This is a bold faced lie. You need to cite more than one individual who goes by the name “Buttercup” to qualify that wagon full of horseshit.

    I didn’t just cite one example. What I am telling you is that homosexuality naturally follows from hatred of women.

    There is no hatred of women, generally speaking.

    Lol my achin’ sides! Of you blame everything on women, using half-truths and outright lies, I don’t know what else to call that but hate.

    Marriage was always about a partnership, or arrangement, or an alliance; it was a practical creation, meant to create more children to continue the line and get the work done.

    Point proven. Women are brood sows, not companions.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    Half of Pashtun men are boy lovers. Is it something in the water, or the culture?

    "Women are for children. Boys are for pleasure."

    https://www.sfgate.com/opinion/brinkley/article/Afghanistan-s-dirty-little-secret-3176762.php

    But White men would never act like that. Oh wait...

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pederasty_in_ancient_Greece

  48. @Rosie

    This is a bold faced lie. You need to cite more than one individual who goes by the name “Buttercup” to qualify that wagon full of horseshit.
     
    I didn't just cite one example. What I am telling you is that homosexuality naturally follows from hatred of women.

    There is no hatred of women, generally speaking.
     

    Lol my achin' sides! Of you blame everything on women, using half-truths and outright lies, I don't know what else to call that but hate.

    Marriage was always about a partnership, or arrangement, or an alliance; it was a practical creation, meant to create more children to continue the line and get the work done.
     
    Point proven. Women are brood sows, not companions.

    Half of Pashtun men are boy lovers. Is it something in the water, or the culture?

    “Women are for children. Boys are for pleasure.”

    https://www.sfgate.com/opinion/brinkley/article/Afghanistan-s-dirty-little-secret-3176762.php

    But White men would never act like that. Oh wait…

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pederasty_in_ancient_Greece

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    But White men would never act like that. Oh wait…
     
    The Greeks aren't representative of white men, especially Northern Europeans. The Greeks have some genetic and cultural links to the Middle East, unlike Northern Europeans, so they behave in some ways like Mideastern groups like Pashtuns do, and are quite unrepresentative of white men.

    Here's how Germanics traditionally dealt with this:

    https://facultystaff.richmond.edu/~wstevens/history331texts/barbarians.html

    The Assembly is competent also to hear criminal charges, especially those involving the risk of capital punishment. The mode of execution varies according to the offence. Traitors and deserters are hanged on trees; cowards, shirkers, and sodomites are pressed down under a wicker hurdle into the slimy mud of a bog.
     
  49. @216
    The true problem of Gay Pride is that it has been able to subvert the church into an intellectual straightjacket.

    There are a lot of these things (“subverting the Church” often with the power of government behind) through history. Islam is probably the most honest one as it just sets itself up as a plain rival. But the sacrifice to the emperor, the Oath of Supremacy, the acceptance of remarriage, the acceptance of sodomy etc. is a long (and very incomplete) list. There’s a rather disturbing shift in it though from questions about patriotism to questions about sex.

  50. @dfordoom

    The whole gay/trans thing is just a fashion and lifestyle trend. That is all. We’ve had hippies, yuppies, goth, emo, hipsters and so on. Now we have gay/trans which is largely just a media promoted trend.
     
    To a large extent yes. It's not only very unfashionable to be heterosexual, it's socially disadvantageous and it exposes you to the danger of being labelled a Nazi. If you're a weak-willed weak-minded male it's very tempting to improve your social status by pretending to be LGBTqwerty.

    The danger is that some of these weak-willed weak-minded males will get drawn into the LGBT lifestyle and have their lives destroyed.

    The danger is that some of these weak-willed weak-minded males will get drawn into the LGBT lifestyle and have their lives destroyed.

    As Edward Dutton has been mentioning, this really is the new frontier on survival-of-the-fittest since we now have very long life expectancies and large scale death due to famine, disease and war is not so common (especially in certain regions).

    Peace.

  51. @Feryl
    It's still profoundly disconcerting, to people born before 1990, to make bogus claims that you have an abnormal sexual identity. Hell, honestly admitting that you are gay or trans is something that older generations lied about to a larger degree. See: male blacks born before 1960 listing fewer same sex partners than later generations of blacks on the GSS. Something don't smell right, here....White guys of all generations list similar numbers of same sex partners, BTW.

    Well…if 60 years ago you could lie about being straight, why not lie about being gay?

    You could even find a (hetero) same-sex confederate to go to events with as an LGBTQ if you wanted some sort of proof as a ‘reverse beard’.

    Being rather old to be unmarried I’ve often thought of alluding to a boyfriend as a cover. ‘Gay’ sounds better than ‘afraid of divorce-rape’.

  52. @Dan Hayes
    ALL IS LOST!

    Nah, just add an AIDS test to the soy latte.

  53. @Rosie

    What we got is that Blacks got the balls but they ain’t got the brains, and Whites got the balls and brains, and Asians got the brains but they ain’t got the balls. Expert sociologists such as federal judge Allison Dale Burroughs and many cohort sniffing sociologists at Harvard would agree.
     
    As do I.

    I think a little comic relief is in order, from a particularly fine specimen of White manhood.

    It's useful in the underbrush to have a hefty spear
    But what we do with the ol' bamboo makes everybody cheer.


    Lol

    https://youtu.be/SUr7fu-LXj4

    (Yes, I have been drinking wine, as per the stereotype, but not out of a box!)

    Dutch guy singing about a collier in the pits of Wales. John Derbyshire says some of his people were coal miners in England.

    If Steve Sailer saw a clip of Chitty Chitty Bang Bang he would write up 4 or 5 blog postings on Raj Chetty.

    That movie was on TV a lot when I was younger. It’s too much fun and too full of White people to be featured now.

    Angela Lansbury and Dick Van Dyke had great careers in movies and TV because they were very likable. Their late career TV stuff was a big hit.

    • Replies: @Thomm

    If Steve Sailer saw a clip of Chitty Chitty Bang Bang he would write up 4 or 5 blog postings on Raj Chetty.
     
    Even more extreme, if he saw the Tom and Jerry short 'Tee for Two' (1945), Steve could write 52 golf-related posts over the next year, since it was both a) about golf, and b) made in the time of the 'Golf Nazi'.

    The climactic bee swarm scream alone would result in a dozen Steve Sailer articles.

    https://youtu.be/W6B32TXl0lQ?t=19

  54. Sam Coulton [AKA "S. M. Coulton"] says:
    @Dan Hayes
    ALL IS LOST!

    The only thing lost here is anepigone’s data. The rest of the research indicates white men are less likely to be gay.

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/addiction-in-society/201210/are-minority-men-more-likely-be-gay-why

  55. @Talha
    Hmmm...an idea; perhaps everyone just claims to be “Bi” from now on to get the associated points but simply live out your life in a traditional family with kids anyway. When they ask you why you never got with a guy, just say; I never found the right one.

    If everyone is a freak, being a freak doesn’t mean anything any more.

    Peace.

    Hmmm…an idea; perhaps everyone just claims to be “Bi” from now on to get the associated points but simply live out your life in a traditional family with kids anyway. When they ask you why you never got with a guy, just say; I never found the right one.

    I’ve always thought that this was the little loophole that they missed. And as a married man, I have the added excuse know that I “would never cheat on my wife” but I still get to be bi. Never put it into practice when applying for a job, though.

    • Replies: @Talha

    Never put it into practice when applying for a job, though.
     
    The way things are going, it may become a survival mechanism to give oneself a layer of protection from ye olde HR department.

    Peace.
  56. @albionrevisited
    This has to be a troll. You don't seem to know anything about WN circles and I'm not sure where you're getting the "about 40% of White Nationalists openly say that they would rather have sex with a white man than a black woman" claim from, but I can assure you that it's completely false. The bottom 10% of white men are not "drawn" to WN. Most people in the bottom 10% of any ethnic group are a-political and non-ideological.

    False. This is a well-known fact.

    Everyone from John Derbyshire to Jack Donovan to Heartiste has pointed out the high incidence of homosexuality in the WN subculture. Even on this thread, many agree that this is prevalent.

    Your jig is up. You are not fooling anybody.

    Most people in the bottom 10% of any ethnic group are a-political and non-ideological.

    Wrong again. The bottom 10% of people are very tribal, which is why they are drawn to this ideology which is nothing more than crude “muh tribe!! muh tribe!!” ooga booga chants.

    Remember that any ideology that explicitly courts female participants, yet utterly fails to do so (WN is almost 100% male) is, by definition, populated with the lowest tier and/or gay males. Heartiste recognized why this made WN dead on arrival, so he desperately tried, for years, to try to get men outside of the bottom 10% involved in WN (to no avail).

    • Replies: @Rosie

    Wrong again. The bottom 10% of people are very tribal, which is why they are drawn to this ideology which is nothing more than crude “muh tribe!! muh tribe!!” ooga booga chants.
     
    Non-whites to White people: Do as we say, not as we do.
  57. @MikeatMikedotMike
    You're attempting to debate one of the most obscenely stupid people to have ever learned the alphabet. That's no dig at you, either. He is a dot Indian so ashamed of his heritage that he claims to be white.

    Put him on ignore and be done with it. His comments are all the same. But he still manages to suck otherwise intelligent people into his trolling.

    I already destroyed the obese, gay, pizza delivery truck driver here :

    http://www.unz.com/anepigone/gops-to-lose/#comment-3434221

    The projection exhibited by these WN faggots is total.

  58. @Thomm
    False. This is a well-known fact.

    Everyone from John Derbyshire to Jack Donovan to Heartiste has pointed out the high incidence of homosexuality in the WN subculture. Even on this thread, many agree that this is prevalent.

    Your jig is up. You are not fooling anybody.

    Most people in the bottom 10% of any ethnic group are a-political and non-ideological.
     
    Wrong again. The bottom 10% of people are very tribal, which is why they are drawn to this ideology which is nothing more than crude "muh tribe!! muh tribe!!" ooga booga chants.

    Remember that any ideology that explicitly courts female participants, yet utterly fails to do so (WN is almost 100% male) is, by definition, populated with the lowest tier and/or gay males. Heartiste recognized why this made WN dead on arrival, so he desperately tried, for years, to try to get men outside of the bottom 10% involved in WN (to no avail).

    Wrong again. The bottom 10% of people are very tribal, which is why they are drawn to this ideology which is nothing more than crude “muh tribe!! muh tribe!!” ooga booga chants.

    Non-whites to White people: Do as we say, not as we do.

  59. @Feryl
    It's still profoundly disconcerting, to people born before 1990, to make bogus claims that you have an abnormal sexual identity. Hell, honestly admitting that you are gay or trans is something that older generations lied about to a larger degree. See: male blacks born before 1960 listing fewer same sex partners than later generations of blacks on the GSS. Something don't smell right, here....White guys of all generations list similar numbers of same sex partners, BTW.

    Are gay incels a thing? They must be.

    That’s somewhat rhetorical. I know one personally.

    • Replies: @Jay Fink
    I have mentioned that a friend of mine recently confessed to me he is gay (I have long suspected it). I would say he is an incel, although he claims that's what he wants so I guess he's a vocel. He said he has had very little sex in his life, does not have much of a sexual appetite, has never gone to a gay bar and only socializes with straight people. He has a successful career and says he's married to his job.
    , @everybodyhatesscott
    Only if they're fat.
  60. @Charles Pewitt
    Dutch guy singing about a collier in the pits of Wales. John Derbyshire says some of his people were coal miners in England.

    If Steve Sailer saw a clip of Chitty Chitty Bang Bang he would write up 4 or 5 blog postings on Raj Chetty.

    That movie was on TV a lot when I was younger. It's too much fun and too full of White people to be featured now.

    Angela Lansbury and Dick Van Dyke had great careers in movies and TV because they were very likable. Their late career TV stuff was a big hit.

    If Steve Sailer saw a clip of Chitty Chitty Bang Bang he would write up 4 or 5 blog postings on Raj Chetty.

    Even more extreme, if he saw the Tom and Jerry short ‘Tee for Two’ (1945), Steve could write 52 golf-related posts over the next year, since it was both a) about golf, and b) made in the time of the ‘Golf Nazi’.

    The climactic bee swarm scream alone would result in a dozen Steve Sailer articles.

  61. @The Dark Night
    A rabbi told me that there was a secret meeting on a paedophile island, on 06.06.06, where the Elders of Zion decided to make all white people go homo.

    This is what's happening.

    LOL! While it does seem that Jewish attitudes towards homosexuality are generally less hostile than many other people (AE had a graphic posted about this a while back), I personally think this reflects something that seems to infect a society once you get wealthy and opulent; namely moral decay and decadence tends to follow and this seems to happen all around the world and in multiple historical civilizations.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @SFG
    I think that's it. Orthodox Jews are still pretty anti-gay, though that's fading.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    Well, Jews are the leading edge of wealth and opulence in Western societies.
  62. @Jon

    Hmmm…an idea; perhaps everyone just claims to be “Bi” from now on to get the associated points but simply live out your life in a traditional family with kids anyway. When they ask you why you never got with a guy, just say; I never found the right one.
     
    I've always thought that this was the little loophole that they missed. And as a married man, I have the added excuse know that I "would never cheat on my wife" but I still get to be bi. Never put it into practice when applying for a job, though.

    Never put it into practice when applying for a job, though.

    The way things are going, it may become a survival mechanism to give oneself a layer of protection from ye olde HR department.

    Peace.

  63. @Talha
    LOL! While it does seem that Jewish attitudes towards homosexuality are generally less hostile than many other people (AE had a graphic posted about this a while back), I personally think this reflects something that seems to infect a society once you get wealthy and opulent; namely moral decay and decadence tends to follow and this seems to happen all around the world and in multiple historical civilizations.

    https://steemitimages.com/640x0/http://i.4cdn.org/pol/1514597154612.jpg

    Peace.

    I think that’s it. Orthodox Jews are still pretty anti-gay, though that’s fading.

    • Replies: @Talha
    The fact that Orthodox Jews are in the minority and don’t necessarily create the policies in their community is reflective of the decadence that has hit Jews as well. And because pozzed Jews are disproportionately represented in the public sphere, they are heavily influencing others.

    Peace.
  64. @SFG
    I think that's it. Orthodox Jews are still pretty anti-gay, though that's fading.

    The fact that Orthodox Jews are in the minority and don’t necessarily create the policies in their community is reflective of the decadence that has hit Jews as well. And because pozzed Jews are disproportionately represented in the public sphere, they are heavily influencing others.

    Peace.

  65. @BlackC
    Whites, and particularly white males, are a non-victim, free-to-opress population segment. Claiming non-heterosexual identity is one of the few ways to escape that segment and gain a protective shield, so it makes sense that younger generations would claim the status, even if falsely, not to mention the potential for young white males (Hi, Anon!) to screw with a survey.

    I highly doubt straight white males are claiming other to get victim cred.

  66. @Thomm
    The reason that homosexuality is the highest among white men is because the bottom 10% of white men are drawn towards White Nationalism, which is an ideology that is almost 100% male.

    Remember, about 40% of White Nationalists openly say that they would rather have sex with a white man than a black woman, because they believe that racial solidarity trumps sexual orientation, and that producing no baby is better than producing a mulatto baby. Since a white woman will not have them, their next highest preference is a white man.

    I have said this for a while, but these charts corroborate what is widely known about recent trends in WN subculture.

    Expect this 40% figure to rise, and for more people to point out the huge homosexual component in WN subculture.

    Thomm is a known Indian Troll.

  67. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosie
    Half of Pashtun men are boy lovers. Is it something in the water, or the culture?

    "Women are for children. Boys are for pleasure."

    https://www.sfgate.com/opinion/brinkley/article/Afghanistan-s-dirty-little-secret-3176762.php

    But White men would never act like that. Oh wait...

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pederasty_in_ancient_Greece

    But White men would never act like that. Oh wait…

    The Greeks aren’t representative of white men, especially Northern Europeans. The Greeks have some genetic and cultural links to the Middle East, unlike Northern Europeans, so they behave in some ways like Mideastern groups like Pashtuns do, and are quite unrepresentative of white men.

    Here’s how Germanics traditionally dealt with this:

    https://facultystaff.richmond.edu/~wstevens/history331texts/barbarians.html

    The Assembly is competent also to hear criminal charges, especially those involving the risk of capital punishment. The mode of execution varies according to the offence. Traitors and deserters are hanged on trees; cowards, shirkers, and sodomites are pressed down under a wicker hurdle into the slimy mud of a bog.

    • Replies: @Rosie

    The Greeks aren’t representative of white men, especially Northern Europeans. The Greeks have some genetic and cultural links to the Middle East, unlike Northern Europeans, so they behave in some ways like Mideastern groups like Pashtuns do, and are quite unrepresentative of white men.
     
    Sorry, but you're wrong, as always.

    https://www.unz.com/article/what-race-were-the-greeks-and-romans/
  68. @Audacious Epigone
    Are gay incels a thing? They must be.

    That's somewhat rhetorical. I know one personally.

    I have mentioned that a friend of mine recently confessed to me he is gay (I have long suspected it). I would say he is an incel, although he claims that’s what he wants so I guess he’s a vocel. He said he has had very little sex in his life, does not have much of a sexual appetite, has never gone to a gay bar and only socializes with straight people. He has a successful career and says he’s married to his job.

    • Replies: @SFG
    I suspect this is what happened with some high-profile confirmed-bachelor types as well (Jim Mattis comes to mind, whatever you think of his politics). Sure, you *could* go slutting it up in gay bars and so on, but if that isn't your thing and you're a basically conservative man attracted to men quasi-celibacy may be your best option.

    Kinda sucks, to be honest.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    Why not just identify as asexual?

    ... is that a recognized orientation?
  69. @Jay Fink
    I have mentioned that a friend of mine recently confessed to me he is gay (I have long suspected it). I would say he is an incel, although he claims that's what he wants so I guess he's a vocel. He said he has had very little sex in his life, does not have much of a sexual appetite, has never gone to a gay bar and only socializes with straight people. He has a successful career and says he's married to his job.

    I suspect this is what happened with some high-profile confirmed-bachelor types as well (Jim Mattis comes to mind, whatever you think of his politics). Sure, you *could* go slutting it up in gay bars and so on, but if that isn’t your thing and you’re a basically conservative man attracted to men quasi-celibacy may be your best option.

    Kinda sucks, to be honest.

  70. Anon[350] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosie

    The more predatory aspects of female nature have been unrestrained, and even encouraged in the mainstream liberal culture.
     
    Manosphere criticisms of women are nothing but a pack of lies.

    Dissident right males are often exiles from this culture, via either inceldom or divorce.
     
    There are no incels, only men who won't join a club that will have them as a member.

    There are no incels, only men who won’t join a club that will have them as a member.

    I appreciate your unique female view here on Unz, Rosie.

    But in this case you are assuming that the world still operates under culturally enforced monogamy with assortative mating. We grew up in a time when what you are saying was true.

    Average men went with average women, outstanding men went with beautiful women, uggos went with uggos. An average man who only wanted a model would be left out in the cold, just as you say.

    But the sexual revolution unleashed all the base instincts of mankind. And the natural instinct for humanity seems to be polygyny. The average woman who hasn’t been culturalized to want monogamy seems to prefer being one of many conquests of a highly desirable male rather than the sole mate of an average male. This is born out in both modern sociological studies and by the evidence of genetic anthropology. (Please tell me I don’t sound like Whiskey)

    An average young male of average height (5’8.5″), average weight, average achievement and average income has a very low chance of dating a similarly aged average female. The young man I just described, unless he is lucky, is either single or dating the absolute dregs of the female side of the gene pool.

    People like you and I are lucky that we found love in a time when society wasn’t quite so sick. But just because we were able to easily find a loving spouse, doesn’t mean that younger people are facing anywhere near the same types of opportunity.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational, Jay Fink
    • Replies: @Rosie

    This is born out in both modern sociological studies and by the evidence of genetic anthropology. (Please tell me I don’t sound like Whiskey)
     
    No. You don't sound like Whiskey, but you are still wrong.

    It is often claimed that women want polygamy because many men failed to reproduce in the past, but that doesn't follow at all. When men go around killing each other, it's hardly our fault that many never pass on their genes. Even when you're not killing each other, you have a nasty tendency to hoard wealth, locking your rivals out of reproduction by force of economics. Again, not our fault.

    Back in the day, you could marry Joe Nobody and ne certain that so long as he worked hard, he could care for you and your children. Now, White elites have waged war on working class men. You all need to sort that put before you blame us for all of this.

    There is no sociological evidence whatsoever for your claim.

  71. Oh for the love of…”New Masculinity” and it incorporates a black man too (they are working hard on turning that graphic to catch it up with the others):

    As Dave Chappelle mentioned a while back:

    Peace.

  72. anon[333] • Disclaimer says:
    @Audacious Epigone
    Isn't gender reassignment surgery purely cosmetic, like a boob job? It's the antithesis of accepting yourself for who you are. Gay pride is putatively about embracing yourself as you are even when society sees that as deviant. But pretending to be something you're not is pure make believe.

    Isn’t gender reassignment surgery purely cosmetic, like a boob job?

    In the case of men “transitioning” the full menu includes life-long dosing with estrogen, plus castration and some internal surgery. I won’t post links, but it’s easy to find videos of the surgical process, probably not a good idea to view at work or too close to mealtime.

    So, no, it isn’t. It’s serious mutilation.

  73. @Talha
    LOL! While it does seem that Jewish attitudes towards homosexuality are generally less hostile than many other people (AE had a graphic posted about this a while back), I personally think this reflects something that seems to infect a society once you get wealthy and opulent; namely moral decay and decadence tends to follow and this seems to happen all around the world and in multiple historical civilizations.

    https://steemitimages.com/640x0/http://i.4cdn.org/pol/1514597154612.jpg

    Peace.

    Well, Jews are the leading edge of wealth and opulence in Western societies.

    • Replies: @Talha
    Good point - the higher one goes, the harder the fall, eh?

    Peace.
  74. @Jay Fink
    I have mentioned that a friend of mine recently confessed to me he is gay (I have long suspected it). I would say he is an incel, although he claims that's what he wants so I guess he's a vocel. He said he has had very little sex in his life, does not have much of a sexual appetite, has never gone to a gay bar and only socializes with straight people. He has a successful career and says he's married to his job.

    Why not just identify as asexual?

    … is that a recognized orientation?

  75. @Anon

    There are no incels, only men who won’t join a club that will have them as a member.
     
    I appreciate your unique female view here on Unz, Rosie.

    But in this case you are assuming that the world still operates under culturally enforced monogamy with assortative mating. We grew up in a time when what you are saying was true.

    Average men went with average women, outstanding men went with beautiful women, uggos went with uggos. An average man who only wanted a model would be left out in the cold, just as you say.

    But the sexual revolution unleashed all the base instincts of mankind. And the natural instinct for humanity seems to be polygyny. The average woman who hasn't been culturalized to want monogamy seems to prefer being one of many conquests of a highly desirable male rather than the sole mate of an average male. This is born out in both modern sociological studies and by the evidence of genetic anthropology. (Please tell me I don't sound like Whiskey)

    An average young male of average height (5'8.5"), average weight, average achievement and average income has a very low chance of dating a similarly aged average female. The young man I just described, unless he is lucky, is either single or dating the absolute dregs of the female side of the gene pool.

    People like you and I are lucky that we found love in a time when society wasn't quite so sick. But just because we were able to easily find a loving spouse, doesn't mean that younger people are facing anywhere near the same types of opportunity.

    This is born out in both modern sociological studies and by the evidence of genetic anthropology. (Please tell me I don’t sound like Whiskey)

    No. You don’t sound like Whiskey, but you are still wrong.

    It is often claimed that women want polygamy because many men failed to reproduce in the past, but that doesn’t follow at all. When men go around killing each other, it’s hardly our fault that many never pass on their genes. Even when you’re not killing each other, you have a nasty tendency to hoard wealth, locking your rivals out of reproduction by force of economics. Again, not our fault.

    Back in the day, you could marry Joe Nobody and ne certain that so long as he worked hard, he could care for you and your children. Now, White elites have waged war on working class men. You all need to sort that put before you blame us for all of this.

    There is no sociological evidence whatsoever for your claim.

  76. @Audacious Epigone
    Well, Jews are the leading edge of wealth and opulence in Western societies.

    Good point – the higher one goes, the harder the fall, eh?

    Peace.

  77. @Anonymous

    But White men would never act like that. Oh wait…
     
    The Greeks aren't representative of white men, especially Northern Europeans. The Greeks have some genetic and cultural links to the Middle East, unlike Northern Europeans, so they behave in some ways like Mideastern groups like Pashtuns do, and are quite unrepresentative of white men.

    Here's how Germanics traditionally dealt with this:

    https://facultystaff.richmond.edu/~wstevens/history331texts/barbarians.html

    The Assembly is competent also to hear criminal charges, especially those involving the risk of capital punishment. The mode of execution varies according to the offence. Traitors and deserters are hanged on trees; cowards, shirkers, and sodomites are pressed down under a wicker hurdle into the slimy mud of a bog.
     

    The Greeks aren’t representative of white men, especially Northern Europeans. The Greeks have some genetic and cultural links to the Middle East, unlike Northern Europeans, so they behave in some ways like Mideastern groups like Pashtuns do, and are quite unrepresentative of white men.

    Sorry, but you’re wrong, as always.

    https://www.unz.com/article/what-race-were-the-greeks-and-romans/

    • Replies: @Truth

    Sorry, but you’re wrong, as always
     
    I'll say...

    https://seidh.org/articles/sex-status-seidh/

    That anonymous guy has a pretty shaky track record around here.
    , @Anonymous
    Both the Greeks and Romans physically distinguished themselves from groups north of them such as the Germanics and Gauls, noting the latter groups' northern European appearance relative to themselves. And genetic data bears this out as well.

    Nordicist theories regarding ancient Greece and Rome assert that they were mixed societies, with Nordic and Mediterranean/Mideastern elements.

    The ancient Germanic society Tacitus describes above was wholly northern European, unlike ancient Greece, and in it, homosexuals were "pressed down under a wicker hurdle into the slimy mud of a bog." The Greeks were not wholly northern European and had genetic and cultural links to the Mideast, and thus indulged in homosexual activity like other Mideastern groups like the Pashtuns do.
  78. @Rosie

    The Greeks aren’t representative of white men, especially Northern Europeans. The Greeks have some genetic and cultural links to the Middle East, unlike Northern Europeans, so they behave in some ways like Mideastern groups like Pashtuns do, and are quite unrepresentative of white men.
     
    Sorry, but you're wrong, as always.

    https://www.unz.com/article/what-race-were-the-greeks-and-romans/

    Sorry, but you’re wrong, as always

    I’ll say…

    https://seidh.org/articles/sex-status-seidh/

    That anonymous guy has a pretty shaky track record around here.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    Gross.

    Anyway, you know him by his number: 375.

  79. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosie

    The Greeks aren’t representative of white men, especially Northern Europeans. The Greeks have some genetic and cultural links to the Middle East, unlike Northern Europeans, so they behave in some ways like Mideastern groups like Pashtuns do, and are quite unrepresentative of white men.
     
    Sorry, but you're wrong, as always.

    https://www.unz.com/article/what-race-were-the-greeks-and-romans/

    Both the Greeks and Romans physically distinguished themselves from groups north of them such as the Germanics and Gauls, noting the latter groups’ northern European appearance relative to themselves. And genetic data bears this out as well.

    Nordicist theories regarding ancient Greece and Rome assert that they were mixed societies, with Nordic and Mediterranean/Mideastern elements.

    The ancient Germanic society Tacitus describes above was wholly northern European, unlike ancient Greece, and in it, homosexuals were “pressed down under a wicker hurdle into the slimy mud of a bog.” The Greeks were not wholly northern European and had genetic and cultural links to the Mideast, and thus indulged in homosexual activity like other Mideastern groups like the Pashtuns do.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    I note for the record that you are resorting to divisive Nordicist theories of dubious merit to rescue your favored ideology of woman-hatred from the charge of protohomosexuality.

    I can't say I'm surprised. Everything you write here is calculated to show division among Whites, either because you are a paid troll or just have an axe to grind against women.
  80. @Truth

    Sorry, but you’re wrong, as always
     
    I'll say...

    https://seidh.org/articles/sex-status-seidh/

    That anonymous guy has a pretty shaky track record around here.

    Gross.

    Anyway, you know him by his number: 375.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    "Truth" is an infamous black troll at Steve Sailer's blog and The Unz Review.

    For some reason, you have a strong desire to portray northern European men as being pederasts and homosexuals, so much so that you listen to the slanderous falsehoods promoted by some black troll.
  81. @Audacious Epigone
    Are gay incels a thing? They must be.

    That's somewhat rhetorical. I know one personally.

    Only if they’re fat.

  82. @Rosie
    Gross.

    Anyway, you know him by his number: 375.

    “Truth” is an infamous black troll at Steve Sailer’s blog and The Unz Review.

    For some reason, you have a strong desire to portray northern European men as being pederasts and homosexuals, so much so that you listen to the slanderous falsehoods promoted by some black troll.

  83. @Anonymous
    Both the Greeks and Romans physically distinguished themselves from groups north of them such as the Germanics and Gauls, noting the latter groups' northern European appearance relative to themselves. And genetic data bears this out as well.

    Nordicist theories regarding ancient Greece and Rome assert that they were mixed societies, with Nordic and Mediterranean/Mideastern elements.

    The ancient Germanic society Tacitus describes above was wholly northern European, unlike ancient Greece, and in it, homosexuals were "pressed down under a wicker hurdle into the slimy mud of a bog." The Greeks were not wholly northern European and had genetic and cultural links to the Mideast, and thus indulged in homosexual activity like other Mideastern groups like the Pashtuns do.

    I note for the record that you are resorting to divisive Nordicist theories of dubious merit to rescue your favored ideology of woman-hatred from the charge of protohomosexuality.

    I can’t say I’m surprised. Everything you write here is calculated to show division among Whites, either because you are a paid troll or just have an axe to grind against women.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    No, you're the one who first cited a Nordicist article, remember? You linked to a Nordicist article that was posted on The Unz Review that claims that the ancient Greeks were Nordics. You did this to support your claim that the ancient Greeks were not just homosexuals, but homosexual Nordics and thus representative of northern European men.

    It doesn't really get any more anti-white, and needless to say anti-white men, than to suggest that the white men are pederasts and homosexuals like Pashtuns and have been so for thousands of years.

    The article I cited was from Tacitus' Germania, which is not Nordicist.
  84. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosie
    I note for the record that you are resorting to divisive Nordicist theories of dubious merit to rescue your favored ideology of woman-hatred from the charge of protohomosexuality.

    I can't say I'm surprised. Everything you write here is calculated to show division among Whites, either because you are a paid troll or just have an axe to grind against women.

    No, you’re the one who first cited a Nordicist article, remember? You linked to a Nordicist article that was posted on The Unz Review that claims that the ancient Greeks were Nordics. You did this to support your claim that the ancient Greeks were not just homosexuals, but homosexual Nordics and thus representative of northern European men.

    It doesn’t really get any more anti-white, and needless to say anti-white men, than to suggest that the white men are pederasts and homosexuals like Pashtuns and have been so for thousands of years.

    The article I cited was from Tacitus’ Germania, which is not Nordicist.

    • Replies: @Rosie

    You linked to a Nordicist article that was posted on The Unz Review that claims that the ancient Greeks were Nordics. You did this to support your claim that the ancient Greeks were not just homosexuals, but homosexual Nordics and thus representative of northern European men.
     
    Yes, indeed they are representative of Northern European men, that is, what they are capable of when social condemnation of pederasty is absent and women are viewed as totally alien and not-quite-human.

    I'm sorry you find that embarrassing, but it's your problem, not mine.

  85. @Anonymous
    No, you're the one who first cited a Nordicist article, remember? You linked to a Nordicist article that was posted on The Unz Review that claims that the ancient Greeks were Nordics. You did this to support your claim that the ancient Greeks were not just homosexuals, but homosexual Nordics and thus representative of northern European men.

    It doesn't really get any more anti-white, and needless to say anti-white men, than to suggest that the white men are pederasts and homosexuals like Pashtuns and have been so for thousands of years.

    The article I cited was from Tacitus' Germania, which is not Nordicist.

    You linked to a Nordicist article that was posted on The Unz Review that claims that the ancient Greeks were Nordics. You did this to support your claim that the ancient Greeks were not just homosexuals, but homosexual Nordics and thus representative of northern European men.

    Yes, indeed they are representative of Northern European men, that is, what they are capable of when social condemnation of pederasty is absent and women are viewed as totally alien and not-quite-human.

    I’m sorry you find that embarrassing, but it’s your problem, not mine.

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