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The Donald Trump I know is a smart guy who often thinks a few steps ahead of those whose will he is trying to bend. But I lately wonder whether he grasps the gravity of the legal peril that is beginning to show up around him. In the past week, we learned of an unfiltered public confession of frustration and weakness among his lawyers and we learned that his former chief confidant and campaign manager is about to be indicted. This is very bad news for President Trump.
Here is the back story.

Trump has hired two experienced Washington criminal defense lawyers to represent him in dealings with Robert Mueller, the independent special counsel who is investigating what connection, if any, there was between Trump’s presidential campaign and elements of the Russian government. Mueller has apparently struck a raw nerve in the West Wing of the White House, where Trump’s criminal defense lawyers and the White House legal counsel all work.

The nerve was struck over the appropriate response to document requests from Mueller. White-collar criminal investigations, of which this is one, often begin with documents. The government seeks from a potential defendant what it believes is evidence of his crimes from his own records. In the Trump/Russia investigations, Trump’s personally employed criminal defense lawyers have disagreed with the federal government-employed White House legal counsel about whether to surrender everything that Mueller has requested.

The criminal defense lawyers who represent the president as a private person are apparently of the belief that he has done no wrong and the surrendering of documents to Mueller would only confirm that. The White House legal counsel, which works for the presidency as a governmental institution, recognizes that as president, Trump enjoys many privileges, among them the right to keep certain communications secret. That is known as executive privilege. It was crafted by Trump’s predecessors and articulated by the courts to permit presidents to keep from prosecutors and Congress and the public secret communications about military, diplomatic and sensitive national security matters.

The White House counsel worries that if he were to give Mueller everything Mueller seeks, the White House would not be able to claim the privilege should a communication it has already surrendered prove harmful to the president. Those on the criminal defense team believe that their client has done no wrong and a complete surrendering to Mueller of all the documents he seeks would accelerate the end of his investigation. One of the criminal defense lawyers even told Trump that Mueller would be off his back by Thanksgiving.

How do we know all this?

We know it because one of the criminal defense lawyers incredibly discussed it openly at a D.C. restaurant within the hearing range of a reporter for The New York Times. When the Times ran what its reporter overheard as a front-page story, no denials came from the president’s lawyers.

ORDER IT NOW

This lawyer’s apparently unfiltered and embarrassing public revelations of disputes within the White House over the appropriate presidential response to the special counsel’s demands are malpractice because they revealed to Mueller, as well as to the public, defects in the president’s legal strategy — namely, the absence of a final legal decision-maker and the absence of a coherent strategy on the part of the president’s combined legal team.

Also during this past week, we learned that Paul Manafort — the president’s former tenant at Trump Tower, his former chief political strategist as he sought the Republican presidential nomination and his former campaign chairman — was the subject of FBI surveillance for a two-year period starting prior to the campaign and continuing into the transition period after Trump’s election.

With whom was Manafort communicating on a daily basis in the time period of the Trump Tower surveillance? And who complained forcefully that he had been surveilled in Trump Tower? And who was mocked mercilessly for those complaints?

Donald Trump.

Let’s take a step back from this. The Department of Justice, as recently as last week, publicly denied that it possesses any evidence derived from electronic surveillance of anyone in Trump Tower from the two years preceding the 2016 presidential election. Former FBI Director James Comey had already made a similar denial in testimony before the House Intelligence Committee. But there have been no FBI denials of the Manafort/Trump Tower surveillance revealed earlier this week.

The sudden FBI switch to silence no doubt means that the surveillance did take place, and it probably was pursuant to a search warrant. If the warrant was issued by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court on the representation that Manafort was probably communicating with foreign officials, then the fruits of the surveillance could not be used against him in a criminal trial, but they could have been shared with Obama administration officials in the West Wing during the campaign. At least one of those officials has admitted receiving raw intelligence data from surveillance of people in Trump Tower in 2016.

If the warrant was issued pursuant to the Fourth Amendment, that means the FBI demonstrated under oath to a federal judge that Manafort was more likely than not involved in and communicating about crimes while working in Trump Tower, and the fruits of that surveillance could be used against him in a criminal prosecution, as well as against anyone else involved.

An indictment of Manafort, which Mueller says is coming soon, will be used as an instrument to flip him into spilling whatever beans he has on his former boss. And we can expect indictments of others presently or formerly near the president as part of the prosecutorial process.

Where does this leave Trump? In the hands of incompetent lawyers, under the crosshairs of a team of very aggressive federal prosecutors and publicly indifferent to the tightening and frightening legal noose around him.

Copyright 2017 Andrew P. Napolitano. Distributed by Creators.com.

 
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  1. bob sykes says:

    Actually, the real question is, Where does this leave Trump supporters? The Deep State is demonstrating its power and showing the American people that elections do not matter. So, what is left after ballots are taken away?

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    • Replies: @Kevin C.

    So, what is left after ballots are taken away?
     
    Nothing, since the nature of modern warfare makes internal rebellion as ineffective as the peasant revolts of the Medieval era (see my comments here). Read Max Boot's book Invisible Armies on guerrilla warfare; in short, guerrillas usually lose, and only win against foreign powers (never in a civil war), and only when significantly backed by foreign rivals of that foreign occupier, and when elements within the occupiers own government are sympathetic to the guerrillas. Add in Yarvin's insight that there's never been a case of successful rebels/insurgents/guerrillas who have been to the political Right of the government forces. Look up, if you are not familiar with it, to what happened to the Bonus Army. Violence by "We the People" cannot remove the Deep State either.

    So if neither the ballot box nor the bullet box work, then there isn't really anything we can do, is there? The Deep State really is too powerful; they rule us peasants, and will keep on ruling us, however they want, and there's nothing, nothing, nothing we can do about it.
    , @Eagle Eye

    Trump has hired two experienced Washington criminal defense lawyers to represent him in dealings with [swamp creature] Robert Mueller, ...
     
    Trump is president. Treating this political witch hunt as a regular criminal case is simply insane.

    There is blood in the water, and Trump needs to act fast to arrest some of the Obama era players for whatever reason, to scare off the others.
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  2. I beg to differ with Mr. Napolitano’s assessment of the situation. The public has now learned that two savvy criminal defense lawyers are so confident of Trump’s innocence that they are willing to violate their standard operating procedures and release all requested documents to Mueller. It will now be clear that any refusals to release documents on Trump’s part are a highly principled defense of the Constitution’s separation of powers.

    The public has also learned that scum like Clapper are boldfaced liars and that Trump – despite sneers from the fake news MSM – was absolutely correct in his fears that the Obama administration had wiretapped both Trump Tower and Trump’s presidential campaign; a level of effective political corruption never achieved by that prog ogre, Nixon. We now also know that material from these wiretaps was utilized by the Obama-Clinton-Waserrman-Schultz cabal in their campaign against Trump.

    It seems to me that, at this point, it’s people like Obama, Clinton, Wasserman-Schultz, Jarret, Clapper, Comey, etc, etc. who should begin worrying about how this tangled legal mess is ultimately going to unravel.

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    • Replies: @botazefa
    It is suspicious that two well respected lawyers would be openly discussing their legal strategy in a public forum. How unlucky a reporter was nearby?

    Forgive my skepticism.
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  3. @Bob Sykes “So, what is left after ballots are taken away?”

    Only Americans don’t know the answer to that question. Most of the rest of the world knows, but sheltered Americans who know nothing about the rest of the world just sit around and whine that a magical thing called an election didn’t change things. Look outside of America and you can see what the answer is when the people want one thing and the state denies it. Or, I wonder how many Americans know that Sam Adams did more than brew beer?

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    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    I dunno ... people in the EU seem to also be operating in that sort of dream-state these days.
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  4. Loopy says:

    What surprises me is the lack of any counter-attack by Trump?

    Why isn’t Susan Rice under formal investigation and being called to answer questions under oath about her ‘unmasking’ activities?

    Why isn’t the most important question being asked at all “What did President Obama know and when did he know it?” President Obama signed an executive order opening up the sharing of information about Americans amongst all federal agencies, so he’s definitely involved.

    Why isn’t Comey under investigation for perjury?

    With Clapper now leading his “Committee to start a nuclear war with Russia”, why isn’t Clapper under investigation for lying to congress under oath which he most certainly did?

    Why isn’t the Clintons, AG Lynch, and Comey under investigation about obstruction of justice with regard to Hillary’s violations of the Espionage act?

    Why isn’t Hillary under investigation for her violations of the Espionage Act?

    Why aren’t the Clintons under investigation about the Clinton Foundation and the obvious “pay to play” arrangements of her corruption as a Secretary of State?

    Why aren’t Hillary and the DNC and Debbie Shultz all under investigation for their meddling and interference in the last election? In a limited two-party form of democracy, they had the biggest influence on the election when their corruption and rigging of the DNC meddled in the election in the major form of picking who was on the ballot under one of the two slots that could possibly win?

    Why aren’t the Democrats in general under investigation for misusing government resources and making false reports about “Russian Meddling.”

    Most likely this all comes down to some political deal. And the above would give Trump the ammunition to get such a deal.

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    Trump is a PINO... President in name only. The people and organizations you named are members of the club, and if Trump were to actually move on them, The Generals who are running the show would plunge the daggers they've been holding to his kidneys since the 20th of January.
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  5. Ghost says:

    Good summation ‘Sayin…

    Is it Watergate yet?

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  6. So basically, so far:
    - Zero evidence that Russia had anything to do with anything.
    - Conclusive evidence that the Obama administration did spy on the opposition’s presidential candidate.

    There is definitely a scandal here, that’s for sure.

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  7. Kevin C. says:
    @bob sykes
    Actually, the real question is, Where does this leave Trump supporters? The Deep State is demonstrating its power and showing the American people that elections do not matter. So, what is left after ballots are taken away?

    So, what is left after ballots are taken away?

    Nothing, since the nature of modern warfare makes internal rebellion as ineffective as the peasant revolts of the Medieval era (see my comments here). Read Max Boot’s book Invisible Armies on guerrilla warfare; in short, guerrillas usually lose, and only win against foreign powers (never in a civil war), and only when significantly backed by foreign rivals of that foreign occupier, and when elements within the occupiers own government are sympathetic to the guerrillas. Add in Yarvin’s insight that there’s never been a case of successful rebels/insurgents/guerrillas who have been to the political Right of the government forces. Look up, if you are not familiar with it, to what happened to the Bonus Army. Violence by “We the People” cannot remove the Deep State either.

    So if neither the ballot box nor the bullet box work, then there isn’t really anything we can do, is there? The Deep State really is too powerful; they rule us peasants, and will keep on ruling us, however they want, and there’s nothing, nothing, nothing we can do about it.

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    I'd have to suggest Boot and Yarvin aren't the most reliable sources on the subject of gentiles rebelling against, to borrow Yarvin's language, Brahman caste Jewish political overlords. Though I'd generally agree that rebellions are unlikely, as an Israeli, I can only scoff at the notion these pampered diaspora types have the first clue of what it means to fight for blood and soil. White gentiles are nearly 100% of the US special forces, the super-majority of combat arms, and the minority-heavy logistics divisions are less relevant in a home-turf scenario. So far as I've read recently, pentagon's estimates were 50-60% desertion or subversion in the event of a political revolt. I'd put money on that being an under-estimate.
    , @John Gruskos
    "Add in Yarvin’s insight that there’s never been a case of successful rebels/insurgents/guerrillas who have been to the political Right of the government forces."

    The communist government of Hungary would have been doomed in 1956 without support from the Soviet Union.
    , @Crawfurdmuir

    Add in Yarvin’s insight that there’s never been a case of successful rebels/insurgents/guerrillas who have been to the political Right of the government forces.
     
    Did not Franco lead a successful rebel force against the leftist Popular Front government of the Spanish Republic?
    , @The True and Original David
    A civil war leading to a successful full-scale revolution isn't the metric, Kev.

    More realistic is random assassinations pushing the empire to be even more ungovernable.

    A jackboot totalitarian state is possible in response, but not on an imperial scale, except in fantasy. USGOV is $20+ trillion in debt and the West's average IQ is declining. Empires fall principally from internal problems. I grant that that's irrelevant to people who have nothing to live for. It may be good times for New Zealand realtors if Trump is arrested.

    , @SteveRogers42
    Are "they" paying you in shekels or yuan to knock American morale?
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  8. Issac says:
    @Kevin C.

    So, what is left after ballots are taken away?
     
    Nothing, since the nature of modern warfare makes internal rebellion as ineffective as the peasant revolts of the Medieval era (see my comments here). Read Max Boot's book Invisible Armies on guerrilla warfare; in short, guerrillas usually lose, and only win against foreign powers (never in a civil war), and only when significantly backed by foreign rivals of that foreign occupier, and when elements within the occupiers own government are sympathetic to the guerrillas. Add in Yarvin's insight that there's never been a case of successful rebels/insurgents/guerrillas who have been to the political Right of the government forces. Look up, if you are not familiar with it, to what happened to the Bonus Army. Violence by "We the People" cannot remove the Deep State either.

    So if neither the ballot box nor the bullet box work, then there isn't really anything we can do, is there? The Deep State really is too powerful; they rule us peasants, and will keep on ruling us, however they want, and there's nothing, nothing, nothing we can do about it.

    I’d have to suggest Boot and Yarvin aren’t the most reliable sources on the subject of gentiles rebelling against, to borrow Yarvin’s language, Brahman caste Jewish political overlords. Though I’d generally agree that rebellions are unlikely, as an Israeli, I can only scoff at the notion these pampered diaspora types have the first clue of what it means to fight for blood and soil. White gentiles are nearly 100% of the US special forces, the super-majority of combat arms, and the minority-heavy logistics divisions are less relevant in a home-turf scenario. So far as I’ve read recently, pentagon’s estimates were 50-60% desertion or subversion in the event of a political revolt. I’d put money on that being an under-estimate.

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  9. If push comes to shove, Trump will always be able to seek political asylum in North Korea.

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  10. @Jason Born
    @Bob Sykes "So, what is left after ballots are taken away?"

    Only Americans don't know the answer to that question. Most of the rest of the world knows, but sheltered Americans who know nothing about the rest of the world just sit around and whine that a magical thing called an election didn't change things. Look outside of America and you can see what the answer is when the people want one thing and the state denies it. Or, I wonder how many Americans know that Sam Adams did more than brew beer?

    I dunno … people in the EU seem to also be operating in that sort of dream-state these days.

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  11. @Loopy
    What surprises me is the lack of any counter-attack by Trump?

    Why isn't Susan Rice under formal investigation and being called to answer questions under oath about her 'unmasking' activities?

    Why isn't the most important question being asked at all "What did President Obama know and when did he know it?" President Obama signed an executive order opening up the sharing of information about Americans amongst all federal agencies, so he's definitely involved.

    Why isn't Comey under investigation for perjury?

    With Clapper now leading his "Committee to start a nuclear war with Russia", why isn't Clapper under investigation for lying to congress under oath which he most certainly did?

    Why isn't the Clintons, AG Lynch, and Comey under investigation about obstruction of justice with regard to Hillary's violations of the Espionage act?

    Why isn't Hillary under investigation for her violations of the Espionage Act?

    Why aren't the Clintons under investigation about the Clinton Foundation and the obvious "pay to play" arrangements of her corruption as a Secretary of State?

    Why aren't Hillary and the DNC and Debbie Shultz all under investigation for their meddling and interference in the last election? In a limited two-party form of democracy, they had the biggest influence on the election when their corruption and rigging of the DNC meddled in the election in the major form of picking who was on the ballot under one of the two slots that could possibly win?

    Why aren't the Democrats in general under investigation for misusing government resources and making false reports about "Russian Meddling."

    Most likely this all comes down to some political deal. And the above would give Trump the ammunition to get such a deal.

    Trump is a PINO… President in name only. The people and organizations you named are members of the club, and if Trump were to actually move on them, The Generals who are running the show would plunge the daggers they’ve been holding to his kidneys since the 20th of January.

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  12. botazefa says:
    @Jus' Sayin'...
    I beg to differ with Mr. Napolitano's assessment of the situation. The public has now learned that two savvy criminal defense lawyers are so confident of Trump's innocence that they are willing to violate their standard operating procedures and release all requested documents to Mueller. It will now be clear that any refusals to release documents on Trump's part are a highly principled defense of the Constitution's separation of powers.

    The public has also learned that scum like Clapper are boldfaced liars and that Trump - despite sneers from the fake news MSM - was absolutely correct in his fears that the Obama administration had wiretapped both Trump Tower and Trump's presidential campaign; a level of effective political corruption never achieved by that prog ogre, Nixon. We now also know that material from these wiretaps was utilized by the Obama-Clinton-Waserrman-Schultz cabal in their campaign against Trump.

    It seems to me that, at this point, it's people like Obama, Clinton, Wasserman-Schultz, Jarret, Clapper, Comey, etc, etc. who should begin worrying about how this tangled legal mess is ultimately going to unravel.

    It is suspicious that two well respected lawyers would be openly discussing their legal strategy in a public forum. How unlucky a reporter was nearby?

    Forgive my skepticism.

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  13. Ingot9455 says:

    Except that Trump can pardon Manafort of any federal indictment if it is lame and politicized and he-said she-said; and he can win in the press. So it’s very hard to pressure Manafort that way. The only thing Mueller can do is try to find a state crime and work in cahoots with the US Attorney of whatever state… and Trump hires those people.

    Because of Scooter Libby, everyone knows that that is Mueller’s game plan because it’s the only plan in his position. All the voters know that this is a political witch-hunt and no longer has anything to do with law or rules in books.

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    • Replies: @Hibernian
    "The only thing Mueller can do is try to find a state crime and work in cahoots with the US Attorney of whatever state… and Trump hires those people."

    State crimes would be prosecuted by a local DA or possibly the state AG. There would be a major constitutional issue concerning an attempt to bring a sitting President to trial in a state or local court. Nonetheless, they might try it, and at least intensify impeachment fever.

    Eric Schneiderman AG of NY State seems to be going this route, almost certainly in collaboration with Mueller. He was investigating and civilly suing the President befor he became President, concerning Trump University
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  14. @Kevin C.

    So, what is left after ballots are taken away?
     
    Nothing, since the nature of modern warfare makes internal rebellion as ineffective as the peasant revolts of the Medieval era (see my comments here). Read Max Boot's book Invisible Armies on guerrilla warfare; in short, guerrillas usually lose, and only win against foreign powers (never in a civil war), and only when significantly backed by foreign rivals of that foreign occupier, and when elements within the occupiers own government are sympathetic to the guerrillas. Add in Yarvin's insight that there's never been a case of successful rebels/insurgents/guerrillas who have been to the political Right of the government forces. Look up, if you are not familiar with it, to what happened to the Bonus Army. Violence by "We the People" cannot remove the Deep State either.

    So if neither the ballot box nor the bullet box work, then there isn't really anything we can do, is there? The Deep State really is too powerful; they rule us peasants, and will keep on ruling us, however they want, and there's nothing, nothing, nothing we can do about it.

    “Add in Yarvin’s insight that there’s never been a case of successful rebels/insurgents/guerrillas who have been to the political Right of the government forces.”

    The communist government of Hungary would have been doomed in 1956 without support from the Soviet Union.

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    • Replies: @Hibernian
    Also the mujaheddin of Afghanistan did dislodge a leftist government despite that government's Soviet backing.
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  15. @Kevin C.

    So, what is left after ballots are taken away?
     
    Nothing, since the nature of modern warfare makes internal rebellion as ineffective as the peasant revolts of the Medieval era (see my comments here). Read Max Boot's book Invisible Armies on guerrilla warfare; in short, guerrillas usually lose, and only win against foreign powers (never in a civil war), and only when significantly backed by foreign rivals of that foreign occupier, and when elements within the occupiers own government are sympathetic to the guerrillas. Add in Yarvin's insight that there's never been a case of successful rebels/insurgents/guerrillas who have been to the political Right of the government forces. Look up, if you are not familiar with it, to what happened to the Bonus Army. Violence by "We the People" cannot remove the Deep State either.

    So if neither the ballot box nor the bullet box work, then there isn't really anything we can do, is there? The Deep State really is too powerful; they rule us peasants, and will keep on ruling us, however they want, and there's nothing, nothing, nothing we can do about it.

    Add in Yarvin’s insight that there’s never been a case of successful rebels/insurgents/guerrillas who have been to the political Right of the government forces.

    Did not Franco lead a successful rebel force against the leftist Popular Front government of the Spanish Republic?

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    • Replies: @Kevin C.
    From Yarvin's own words:

    Here's a fact that may have escaped your attention. There has never been a successful right-wing insurgency. That is, there has never been any successful movement employing the tactics of guerrilla or "urban guerrilla" (or "terrorist") war, in which the guerrilla forces were to the political right of the government forces. To some extent you can classify Franco in Spain as a successful right-wing rebel, but his forces were more organized and disciplined than the government's - Franquismo was a coup that turned into a rebellion, and it succeeded in the end only because, for unusual reasons, England and the US declined to intervene against it.
     
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  16. Eagle Eye says:
    @bob sykes
    Actually, the real question is, Where does this leave Trump supporters? The Deep State is demonstrating its power and showing the American people that elections do not matter. So, what is left after ballots are taken away?

    Trump has hired two experienced Washington criminal defense lawyers to represent him in dealings with [swamp creature] Robert Mueller, …

    Trump is president. Treating this political witch hunt as a regular criminal case is simply insane.

    There is blood in the water, and Trump needs to act fast to arrest some of the Obama era players for whatever reason, to scare off the others.

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  17. @Kevin C.

    So, what is left after ballots are taken away?
     
    Nothing, since the nature of modern warfare makes internal rebellion as ineffective as the peasant revolts of the Medieval era (see my comments here). Read Max Boot's book Invisible Armies on guerrilla warfare; in short, guerrillas usually lose, and only win against foreign powers (never in a civil war), and only when significantly backed by foreign rivals of that foreign occupier, and when elements within the occupiers own government are sympathetic to the guerrillas. Add in Yarvin's insight that there's never been a case of successful rebels/insurgents/guerrillas who have been to the political Right of the government forces. Look up, if you are not familiar with it, to what happened to the Bonus Army. Violence by "We the People" cannot remove the Deep State either.

    So if neither the ballot box nor the bullet box work, then there isn't really anything we can do, is there? The Deep State really is too powerful; they rule us peasants, and will keep on ruling us, however they want, and there's nothing, nothing, nothing we can do about it.

    A civil war leading to a successful full-scale revolution isn’t the metric, Kev.

    More realistic is random assassinations pushing the empire to be even more ungovernable.

    A jackboot totalitarian state is possible in response, but not on an imperial scale, except in fantasy. USGOV is $20+ trillion in debt and the West’s average IQ is declining. Empires fall principally from internal problems. I grant that that’s irrelevant to people who have nothing to live for. It may be good times for New Zealand realtors if Trump is arrested.

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    • Replies: @Kevin C.

    More realistic is random assassinations pushing the empire to be even more ungovernable.
     
    Do you have any historical precedents to back this assertion?
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  18. Jeff Sessions is useless. The Manafort “raid” was clearly witness intimidation. Mueller and the FBI agents should all be indicted under 18 USC 1512 or 1513 as the case may be and sent to prison. They should all be “perp walked”. It’s time for Trump to finish Mueller & Co.

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  19. Hibernian says:
    @Ingot9455
    Except that Trump can pardon Manafort of any federal indictment if it is lame and politicized and he-said she-said; and he can win in the press. So it's very hard to pressure Manafort that way. The only thing Mueller can do is try to find a state crime and work in cahoots with the US Attorney of whatever state... and Trump hires those people.

    Because of Scooter Libby, everyone knows that that is Mueller's game plan because it's the only plan in his position. All the voters know that this is a political witch-hunt and no longer has anything to do with law or rules in books.

    “The only thing Mueller can do is try to find a state crime and work in cahoots with the US Attorney of whatever state… and Trump hires those people.”

    State crimes would be prosecuted by a local DA or possibly the state AG. There would be a major constitutional issue concerning an attempt to bring a sitting President to trial in a state or local court. Nonetheless, they might try it, and at least intensify impeachment fever.

    Eric Schneiderman AG of NY State seems to be going this route, almost certainly in collaboration with Mueller. He was investigating and civilly suing the President befor he became President, concerning Trump University

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  20. Hibernian says:
    @John Gruskos
    "Add in Yarvin’s insight that there’s never been a case of successful rebels/insurgents/guerrillas who have been to the political Right of the government forces."

    The communist government of Hungary would have been doomed in 1956 without support from the Soviet Union.

    Also the mujaheddin of Afghanistan did dislodge a leftist government despite that government’s Soviet backing.

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  21. Kevin C. says:
    @Crawfurdmuir

    Add in Yarvin’s insight that there’s never been a case of successful rebels/insurgents/guerrillas who have been to the political Right of the government forces.
     
    Did not Franco lead a successful rebel force against the leftist Popular Front government of the Spanish Republic?

    From Yarvin’s own words:

    Here’s a fact that may have escaped your attention. There has never been a successful right-wing insurgency. That is, there has never been any successful movement employing the tactics of guerrilla or “urban guerrilla” (or “terrorist”) war, in which the guerrilla forces were to the political right of the government forces. To some extent you can classify Franco in Spain as a successful right-wing rebel, but his forces were more organized and disciplined than the government’s – Franquismo was a coup that turned into a rebellion, and it succeeded in the end only because, for unusual reasons, England and the US declined to intervene against it.

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    An unconvincing rationalization. See my reply to John Gruslos concerning the mujaheddin.
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  22. Kevin C. says:
    @The True and Original David
    A civil war leading to a successful full-scale revolution isn't the metric, Kev.

    More realistic is random assassinations pushing the empire to be even more ungovernable.

    A jackboot totalitarian state is possible in response, but not on an imperial scale, except in fantasy. USGOV is $20+ trillion in debt and the West's average IQ is declining. Empires fall principally from internal problems. I grant that that's irrelevant to people who have nothing to live for. It may be good times for New Zealand realtors if Trump is arrested.

    More realistic is random assassinations pushing the empire to be even more ungovernable.

    Do you have any historical precedents to back this assertion?

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    Here’s a fact that may have escaped your attention. There has never been a successful right-wing insurgency. That is, there has never been any successful movement employing the tactics of guerrilla or “urban guerrilla” (or “terrorist”) war, in which the guerrilla forces were to the political right of the government forces.

    Just from memory:
    The original Spanish guerillas of Napoleonic war
    Russian guerillas of 1812
    Greek war for independence
    First Boer War
    Arab revolt (of Lawrence of Arabia fame)
    Irish war for independence
    Iranian revolution
    Afghan mujahideen
    Contras of Nicaragua
    Ethiopian civil war

    etc, etc..
    , @Darin

    @The True and Original David

    More realistic is random assassinations pushing the empire to be even more ungovernable.

    Do you have any historical precedents to back this assertion?
     
    The "propaganda of the deed" anarchists, RAF, Red Brigades, Tupamaros, Monteneros, and many more tried this tactic.
    All believed the proletariat was supporting them. All were wrong, but maybe you are right and the workers and peasants are really on your side, ready to rise up.
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  23. Hibernian says:
    @Kevin C.
    From Yarvin's own words:

    Here's a fact that may have escaped your attention. There has never been a successful right-wing insurgency. That is, there has never been any successful movement employing the tactics of guerrilla or "urban guerrilla" (or "terrorist") war, in which the guerrilla forces were to the political right of the government forces. To some extent you can classify Franco in Spain as a successful right-wing rebel, but his forces were more organized and disciplined than the government's - Franquismo was a coup that turned into a rebellion, and it succeeded in the end only because, for unusual reasons, England and the US declined to intervene against it.
     

    An unconvincing rationalization. See my reply to John Gruslos concerning the mujaheddin.

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  24. Darin says:
    @Kevin C.

    More realistic is random assassinations pushing the empire to be even more ungovernable.
     
    Do you have any historical precedents to back this assertion?

    Here’s a fact that may have escaped your attention. There has never been a successful right-wing insurgency. That is, there has never been any successful movement employing the tactics of guerrilla or “urban guerrilla” (or “terrorist”) war, in which the guerrilla forces were to the political right of the government forces.

    Just from memory:
    The original Spanish guerillas of Napoleonic war
    Russian guerillas of 1812
    Greek war for independence
    First Boer War
    Arab revolt (of Lawrence of Arabia fame)
    Irish war for independence
    Iranian revolution
    Afghan mujahideen
    Contras of Nicaragua
    Ethiopian civil war

    etc, etc..

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    Don't forget most of those had foreign support or support from a standing army. Of course that's also true of leftist guerillas.
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  25. Darin says:
    @Kevin C.

    More realistic is random assassinations pushing the empire to be even more ungovernable.
     
    Do you have any historical precedents to back this assertion?

    More realistic is random assassinations pushing the empire to be even more ungovernable.

    Do you have any historical precedents to back this assertion?

    The “propaganda of the deed” anarchists, RAF, Red Brigades, Tupamaros, Monteneros, and many more tried this tactic.
    All believed the proletariat was supporting them. All were wrong, but maybe you are right and the workers and peasants are really on your side, ready to rise up.

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  26. @Kevin C.

    So, what is left after ballots are taken away?
     
    Nothing, since the nature of modern warfare makes internal rebellion as ineffective as the peasant revolts of the Medieval era (see my comments here). Read Max Boot's book Invisible Armies on guerrilla warfare; in short, guerrillas usually lose, and only win against foreign powers (never in a civil war), and only when significantly backed by foreign rivals of that foreign occupier, and when elements within the occupiers own government are sympathetic to the guerrillas. Add in Yarvin's insight that there's never been a case of successful rebels/insurgents/guerrillas who have been to the political Right of the government forces. Look up, if you are not familiar with it, to what happened to the Bonus Army. Violence by "We the People" cannot remove the Deep State either.

    So if neither the ballot box nor the bullet box work, then there isn't really anything we can do, is there? The Deep State really is too powerful; they rule us peasants, and will keep on ruling us, however they want, and there's nothing, nothing, nothing we can do about it.

    Are “they” paying you in shekels or yuan to knock American morale?

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  27. MAGA says:

    Were those who requested the wiretaps lying to the judge? If so, we have a poisonous tree problem for Mueller that he may not want to address until AFTER conviction with trial or plea.

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  28. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Darin
    Here’s a fact that may have escaped your attention. There has never been a successful right-wing insurgency. That is, there has never been any successful movement employing the tactics of guerrilla or “urban guerrilla” (or “terrorist”) war, in which the guerrilla forces were to the political right of the government forces.

    Just from memory:
    The original Spanish guerillas of Napoleonic war
    Russian guerillas of 1812
    Greek war for independence
    First Boer War
    Arab revolt (of Lawrence of Arabia fame)
    Irish war for independence
    Iranian revolution
    Afghan mujahideen
    Contras of Nicaragua
    Ethiopian civil war

    etc, etc..

    Don’t forget most of those had foreign support or support from a standing army. Of course that’s also true of leftist guerillas.

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