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zog In my huge post on The Jews, I invited my readers to fill out a survey to test how much of the 11 stereotypes about Jews the ADL identifies as anti-Semitic we agree with.

I was hoping to use the answers do some data analysis (e.g. how philo/counter-Semitism correlates with Jewish self-identification, political self-identification, Israel vs. Palestine sympathies, Russophobia, HBD/IQ awareness, etc.). Unfortunately, too late I discovered that PollDaddy doesn’t give you access to this data without a paid upgrade. So unfortunately, apart from making a mental note to never use PollDaddy again – I assume that Google Forms has what I need? – I am releasing all the data that I do have access to as a screenshot.

The results are mostly as I expected.

My average reader seems to be somewhat more “anti-Semitic” than I am (thinks 10/11 of the ADL’s stereotypes are correct, versus my 7/11). If I am anti-Semitic like the average Greek or Armenian, my readers are anti-Semitic like the average Arab.

With no ability to test the really interesting hypotheses (e.g. that denial of the validity of IQ is associated with greater anti-Semitism), I don’t think there’s need for further commentary from me.

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  1. Singh says:

    I could get 0 on that test, and still think Judaism shouldn’t exist||

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  2. semites are A-OK.

    but the Ashkenaz are a literal plague.

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    • Replies: @Singh
    Idk, I think their religious system dehumanizes them through circumcision & worship of the sister fucking pimp।।

    Everyone will have to be brought to heel।।

    Also, first.

    , @Silva
    What other Semites do you consider OK? Sefardim, Mizrahim, most Arabs, some Arabs, Habesha ... ?
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  3. Singh says:
    @Haxo Angmark
    semites are A-OK.


    but the Ashkenaz are a literal plague.

    Idk, I think their religious system dehumanizes them through circumcision & worship of the sister fucking pimp।।

    Everyone will have to be brought to heel।।

    Also, first.

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  4. Q: Do you believe that most Jews are genetically White?

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    • Replies: @Silva
    Q: Do you consider Spaniards white?
    , @Anonymous
    This seems to depend on how "white" is defined. "White" seems to be defined differently by different people for various reasons and motivations. The most common and standard definition seems to be that it refers to people of European origin, that is it is a race within the larger Caucasoid race, which is not confined to Europe. This is the sense of the term that most people hold, which is why most people don't regard non-European Caucasoids as white. Another definition defines "white" as "Caucasoid" and includes non-European Caucasoids.

    Apparently a subset of Jews, the Ashkenazi, are genetically a mix of Italian and non-European Caucasoid. How Jews are classified seems to vary according to who classifies and what definitions they use. This is why you have a situation where some will claim that Ashkenazi Jews are white, while others will say otherwise:

    http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/ashkenazi-jews-are-not-white-response-to-haaretz-article/
    , @notanon
    white defined as:
    1) caucasian - yes
    2) european - no (1/2 european, 1/2 west asian)
    3) "white" as i define it personally includes the end result of what i believe has been a distinctive evolutionary history that lead to a large percentage of european descended people (not even necessarily a majority) to have genetic predispositions towards:
    a) co-operative individualism
    b) more universalist and less familial type morality
    which to my mind (along with a minimum average IQ) are necessary for creating the kind of society i want my descendants to live in.
    I'm sure there is a percentage of non-Europeans (including Jews) who also have those genetic predispositions but the percentage is a lot lower imo.
    , @Colleen Pater
    'white' is range, thats not to say there's no such race but rather that where you draw the line is a bit arbitrary. consider europe's southern border most of the mideast and north africa was part of the roman empire, turkey was its capital at one point there's a lot of pretty white people down there armenians georgians turks etc but even if you draw the line at the south of greece and bulgaria you're going to find greeks and bulgarians closer to turks than they are to say Poles. no matter where you draw it you run into this difficulty.austrians are going to be closer to hungarians than icelanders.
    AKZ jews are 50-50% italian ( the white nation with the highest IQ BTW) so genetically theu are probably more white or northern than bulgarians. their genetics isnt the problem its how they behave maybe this is there non euro genetics maybe its their culture its seems unsolvable for them to have again turned on their adopted country america after world war 2 pretty much proves they will never ever learn to either assimilate or stop living among others.what they have done is nothing short of genocidal
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  5. Q: Will Greasy William Ever get his Shiksa Goddess?

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    She would refuse to bang him.
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  6. Dmitry says:

    On the issue of Israel, you could take 80 years reading on sites like this (assuming a life-time), and would leaving knowing nothing or less about the subject, or even less than our friend Greasy William seems to know.

    On the internet, reading people obsessing about Israel, but who don’t know even about the giant flying cockroaches or about drinking chocolate milk from a plastic bag – it’s like seeing people chasing after phantoms, where even the positive comments seem as completely wrong.

    For one example – I often see comments that don’t seem to know that about half of the Jews in Israel are a brown (often very dark brown colored) people.

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    • Replies: @Lemurmaniac
    Col Lang has been writing about Israel on this site recently, and he has years of experience studying and visiting the country, including contacts with serving and retired IDF soldiers.

    Jews come into multiple shapes in sizes, btw, but Israel is a caste society with the Ashkanazi at the top.
    , @iffen
    about half of the Jews in Israel are a brown

    Didn't I read that they are trying to send them back and they are rioting because of this?

    On the issue of Israel, you could take 80 years reading on sites like this (assuming a life-time), and would leaving knowing nothing or less about the subject,

    The issue is not Israel. The issue is the JQ. And you can learn quite a bit here, especially if you follow links, topics and references.

    , @Greasy William

    On the issue of Israel, you could take 80 years reading on sites like this (assuming a life-time), and would leaving knowing nothing or less about the subject, or even less than our friend Greasy William seems to know.
     
    Some serious pot and kettle shit here.

    How many people do you know who live in Yitzhar, Bnei Brak or Meah Shearim? End of fucking discussion.


    You know a lot of rootless cosmopolitan Israelis who only want to be left alone and don't care about making Israel into a theocracy or killing Lebanese, Syrians and Iranians. Congratulations. But you don't know anything about the Torah True community in the Land of Israel.

    But guess who does know a lot about that community and has friends who are part of it? MEEEEEEE!!!!!! And considering that the Torah True are on the rise and have won every battle with the Chilonim for the last 12 years, that is a lot more important then your knowledge of a community that is destined for annihilation.
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  7. @Dmitry
    On the issue of Israel, you could take 80 years reading on sites like this (assuming a life-time), and would leaving knowing nothing or less about the subject, or even less than our friend Greasy William seems to know.

    On the internet, reading people obsessing about Israel, but who don't know even about the giant flying cockroaches or about drinking chocolate milk from a plastic bag - it's like seeing people chasing after phantoms, where even the positive comments seem as completely wrong.

    For one example - I often see comments that don't seem to know that about half of the Jews in Israel are a brown (often very dark brown colored) people.

    Col Lang has been writing about Israel on this site recently, and he has years of experience studying and visiting the country, including contacts with serving and retired IDF soldiers.

    Jews come into multiple shapes in sizes, btw, but Israel is a caste society with the Ashkanazi at the top.

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    Col Lang has been writing about Israel on this site recently, and he has years of experience studying and visiting the country, including contacts with serving and retired IDF soldiers.

    Jews come into multiple shapes in sizes, btw, but Israel is a caste society with the Ashkanazi at the top.
     

    It's illustration of my point. I would not see a caste that brown are the bottom, and light people are the top only, although there might be correlations. You'll see plenty of blonde people in the supermarket there working as cashiers. And there are plenty of brown people who are millionaires and billionaires, including their top 10 richest Forbes list - where number 2 is Moroccan, number 6 Iraqi, number 9 is Libyan, number 10 Egyptian. (4 out of the 10 richest in Israel on Forbes Israel website)
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  8. iffen says:
    @Thorfinnsson
    Q: Will Greasy William Ever get his Shiksa Goddess?

    She would refuse to bang him.

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    Wait...her consent (or being in an otherwise conscious and uninebriated state) is involved? Ok - that changes things.

    Peace.
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  9. iffen says:
    @Dmitry
    On the issue of Israel, you could take 80 years reading on sites like this (assuming a life-time), and would leaving knowing nothing or less about the subject, or even less than our friend Greasy William seems to know.

    On the internet, reading people obsessing about Israel, but who don't know even about the giant flying cockroaches or about drinking chocolate milk from a plastic bag - it's like seeing people chasing after phantoms, where even the positive comments seem as completely wrong.

    For one example - I often see comments that don't seem to know that about half of the Jews in Israel are a brown (often very dark brown colored) people.

    about half of the Jews in Israel are a brown

    Didn’t I read that they are trying to send them back and they are rioting because of this?

    On the issue of Israel, you could take 80 years reading on sites like this (assuming a life-time), and would leaving knowing nothing or less about the subject,

    The issue is not Israel. The issue is the JQ. And you can learn quite a bit here, especially if you follow links, topics and references.

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    about half of the Jews in Israel are a brown

    Didn’t I read that they are trying to send them back and they are rioting because of this?
     
    Again what I mean. It's a country where most internet commentary, has constructed a kind of parallel world of the mind. The country of the fantasy realm is of course more interesting than the reality, even it lacks giant flying cockroaches or people (otherwise boringly ordinary people) drinking chocolate milk from plastic bags.
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  10. Dmitry says:
    @Lemurmaniac
    Col Lang has been writing about Israel on this site recently, and he has years of experience studying and visiting the country, including contacts with serving and retired IDF soldiers.

    Jews come into multiple shapes in sizes, btw, but Israel is a caste society with the Ashkanazi at the top.

    Col Lang has been writing about Israel on this site recently, and he has years of experience studying and visiting the country, including contacts with serving and retired IDF soldiers.

    Jews come into multiple shapes in sizes, btw, but Israel is a caste society with the Ashkanazi at the top.

    It’s illustration of my point. I would not see a caste that brown are the bottom, and light people are the top only, although there might be correlations. You’ll see plenty of blonde people in the supermarket there working as cashiers. And there are plenty of brown people who are millionaires and billionaires, including their top 10 richest Forbes list – where number 2 is Moroccan, number 6 Iraqi, number 9 is Libyan, number 10 Egyptian. (4 out of the 10 richest in Israel on Forbes Israel website)

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  11. Talha says:
    @iffen
    She would refuse to bang him.

    Wait…her consent (or being in an otherwise conscious and uninebriated state) is involved? Ok – that changes things.

    Peace.

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  12. Dmitry says:
    @iffen
    about half of the Jews in Israel are a brown

    Didn't I read that they are trying to send them back and they are rioting because of this?

    On the issue of Israel, you could take 80 years reading on sites like this (assuming a life-time), and would leaving knowing nothing or less about the subject,

    The issue is not Israel. The issue is the JQ. And you can learn quite a bit here, especially if you follow links, topics and references.

    about half of the Jews in Israel are a brown

    Didn’t I read that they are trying to send them back and they are rioting because of this?

    Again what I mean. It’s a country where most internet commentary, has constructed a kind of parallel world of the mind. The country of the fantasy realm is of course more interesting than the reality, even it lacks giant flying cockroaches or people (otherwise boringly ordinary people) drinking chocolate milk from plastic bags.

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    This was probably sarcasm but I find the real country (whether it's Israel or Russia or the USA) to be much more interesting. It's just that the real image is too complex and dynamic, and it's more fun to rage against simple, stationary strawmen.

    The real reason I'm replying is to say that I still remember and hate those giant flying cockroaches, but am glad to find that I am not the only one who considers them an important symbol of the Real Israel (if I understood your comments correctly).
    , @iffen
    The deficiency of the average American's understanding of Israel is more or less in line with that deficiency of knowledge of other countries. Do you think we know more about the UK other than royal family gossip and trivia?

    BTW, these Jew haters are mostly correct about the "lens" through which Americans get their look at Israel. I think that you would be wise to let Americans keep there "distorted" view of Israel, that is, if you are concerned about American support for Israel.
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  13. Silva says:
    @Haxo Angmark
    semites are A-OK.


    but the Ashkenaz are a literal plague.

    What other Semites do you consider OK? Sefardim, Mizrahim, most Arabs, some Arabs, Habesha … ?

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    I consider local, middle east/N. African brownish semites A-OK. They are generally stupid, harmless, and have little or no interest in the universalist Tikkun Olam.

    the nomadic, fake-White, high-IQ asiatic Ashkenaz (most currently camped out in Palestine/'Murka after a 1,300 year westward Wander from Khazaria to Europe) are, with a few individual exceptions,

    Satanic.
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  14. Silva says:
    @anony-mouse
    Q: Do you believe that most Jews are genetically White?

    Q: Do you consider Spaniards white?

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    Si.
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  15. Silva says:

    May some of you who think Jews have too much control over the US but don’t have too much control over global affairs explain yourselves?

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  16. @Dmitry

    about half of the Jews in Israel are a brown

    Didn’t I read that they are trying to send them back and they are rioting because of this?
     
    Again what I mean. It's a country where most internet commentary, has constructed a kind of parallel world of the mind. The country of the fantasy realm is of course more interesting than the reality, even it lacks giant flying cockroaches or people (otherwise boringly ordinary people) drinking chocolate milk from plastic bags.

    This was probably sarcasm but I find the real country (whether it’s Israel or Russia or the USA) to be much more interesting. It’s just that the real image is too complex and dynamic, and it’s more fun to rage against simple, stationary strawmen.

    The real reason I’m replying is to say that I still remember and hate those giant flying cockroaches, but am glad to find that I am not the only one who considers them an important symbol of the Real Israel (if I understood your comments correctly).

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    I agree and was not being sarcastic or symbolic. It is sometimes like imagining people that never have, or hardly have, tasted pepsi or cola, debating the advantages or disadvantages of pepsi or coke.

    It is often just a debate over various mental pictures, which are held by different people for different emotional reasons. The debate could continue unaffected, if the real place, with all its giant flying cockroaches, did not even exist.
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  17. iffen says:
    @Dmitry

    about half of the Jews in Israel are a brown

    Didn’t I read that they are trying to send them back and they are rioting because of this?
     
    Again what I mean. It's a country where most internet commentary, has constructed a kind of parallel world of the mind. The country of the fantasy realm is of course more interesting than the reality, even it lacks giant flying cockroaches or people (otherwise boringly ordinary people) drinking chocolate milk from plastic bags.

    The deficiency of the average American’s understanding of Israel is more or less in line with that deficiency of knowledge of other countries. Do you think we know more about the UK other than royal family gossip and trivia?

    BTW, these Jew haters are mostly correct about the “lens” through which Americans get their look at Israel. I think that you would be wise to let Americans keep there “distorted” view of Israel, that is, if you are concerned about American support for Israel.

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    these Jew haters are mostly correct about the “lens” through which Americans get their look at Israel
     
    In general being a jew hater means one is aware of the real world on most things (blacks have low IQ, women will not be world chess champion, equality is a lie, Honduras is shit because of the people, etc) being a jew lover means one is automatically constrained what one is allowed to think.
    , @Dmitry

    The deficiency of the average American’s understanding of Israel is more or less in line with that deficiency of knowledge of other countries. Do you think we know more about the UK other than royal family gossip and trivia?

     

    It's true. But it's still strange the amount of time wasted in these Mordors of the imagination, such as are written so many articles on this website which seem to have nothing in common with direct experience, at least of my own - and which Russia is also one. Especially as there is today no barrier to access to learning a language and direct access to foreign culture of interest - as we do, for example, when it comes to America or talking with English-speakers on forums like here.

    BTW, these Jew haters are mostly correct about the “lens” through which Americans get their look at Israel. I think that you would be wise to let Americans keep there “distorted” view of Israel, that is, if you are concerned about American support for Israel.
     
    Like with most destinations, where a person hates it or loves it in reality (and with a long experience) will have more to do with their personality, inclination, friends - than something to do with lens or ideology.

    Israel is probably quite polarizing. But I would say if you will hate it or love it, more based on natural inclination for what is a chaotic, liberal mix of Iraq and Ukraine, with maybe some Morocco added. (But then you have to take me 'with a pinch of salt' - as I have never stayed in Iraq or Morocco).

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  18. neutral says:
    @iffen
    The deficiency of the average American's understanding of Israel is more or less in line with that deficiency of knowledge of other countries. Do you think we know more about the UK other than royal family gossip and trivia?

    BTW, these Jew haters are mostly correct about the "lens" through which Americans get their look at Israel. I think that you would be wise to let Americans keep there "distorted" view of Israel, that is, if you are concerned about American support for Israel.

    these Jew haters are mostly correct about the “lens” through which Americans get their look at Israel

    In general being a jew hater means one is aware of the real world on most things (blacks have low IQ, women will not be world chess champion, equality is a lie, Honduras is shit because of the people, etc) being a jew lover means one is automatically constrained what one is allowed to think.

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  19. songbird says:

    The survey was serious and straight to the point, which is how one should design a survey. But it didn’t appeal to the imagination or sense of humor, like only less scientific surveys can do. So, here’s my contribution to try and correct this deficiency:

    It would be best for white gentiles, if Jews controlled___, rather than Hollywood.
    A.) Bollywood
    B.) Nollywood
    C.) Turkish cinema
    D.) Chinese cinema
    E.) All of the above
    F.) None of the above
    G.) Israeli cinema
    H.) Martian cinema
    I.)Alpha Centauri cinema

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  20. @Silva
    Q: Do you consider Spaniards white?

    Si.

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  21. Randal says:

    Off topic, but quite amusing and interesting, I think.

    This morning I read this establishment media piece and – to put it mildly – raised an eyebrow:

    Up to 100g of nerve agent used on Skripals, says chemical weapons watchdog chief

    Having spluttered at the 100g in the headline, I looked within expecting a correct figure to be given, but no, the story specifically confirmed that the OPCW chief actually thought that 100g of a novichok agent had been used, and he even helpfully described how much that would be:

    Ahmet Uzumcu told the New York Times the amount of Novichok used – around half a cup of liquid – suggests it was created for use as a weapon rather than for research purposes.

    And he helpfully doubled down on the assertion with more editorialising around the information he had presumably received from his staff:

    He said: “For research activities or protection you would need, for instance, five to 10 grams or so, but even in Salisbury it looks like they may have used more than that, without knowing the exact quantity, I am told it may be 50, 100 grams or so, which goes beyond research activities for protection.

    !

    I thought to myself: well, it will be interesting to see how this pans out. Have I misunderstood something? – after all this was the head of the OPCW talking. He ought to know more than me about the basics of military nerve agents.

    But sure enough now the Guardian reports:

    Chemical weapons watchdog amends claim over Salisbury novichok

    Within hours of the report, however, startled chemical weapons experts were challenging the figure, insisting a miscommunication had occurred. A statement from the OPCW on Friday said the organisation “would not be able to estimate or determine the amount of the nerve agent that was used”.

    It added: “The quantity should nonetheless probably be characterised in milligrams.”

    Now granted Üzümcü is a career diplomat rather than a chemist, but regardless he has been the head of the OPCW since 2010. One would like to think he would have picked up the basics sufficiently not to exaggerate the amount of a notoriously lethal substance by at least three orders of magnitude.

    And given the pro-US/UK spin he was trying to put on his absurd exaggeration, does the man retain any credibility whatsoever as head of a supposedly neutral organisation?

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    The next claim will be that they used a nuclear bomb on British soil to kill the Skripals. A nuclear bomb twenty times the size of the Nagasaki bomb. It also proved that they wanted the Skripals dead (or else why use such a huge bomb), as well as Russian culpability (it was a bomb of a type developed by Russia), and it made Russia the sole country in recent history to use a nuclear weapon.

    Later they’d amend the claim in as much as it wasn’t really nuclear, or a bomb, but it was still horrible.
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  22. @Randal
    Off topic, but quite amusing and interesting, I think.

    This morning I read this establishment media piece and - to put it mildly - raised an eyebrow:

    Up to 100g of nerve agent used on Skripals, says chemical weapons watchdog chief

    Having spluttered at the 100g in the headline, I looked within expecting a correct figure to be given, but no, the story specifically confirmed that the OPCW chief actually thought that 100g of a novichok agent had been used, and he even helpfully described how much that would be:


    Ahmet Uzumcu told the New York Times the amount of Novichok used – around half a cup of liquid – suggests it was created for use as a weapon rather than for research purposes.
     
    And he helpfully doubled down on the assertion with more editorialising around the information he had presumably received from his staff:

    He said: “For research activities or protection you would need, for instance, five to 10 grams or so, but even in Salisbury it looks like they may have used more than that, without knowing the exact quantity, I am told it may be 50, 100 grams or so, which goes beyond research activities for protection.
     
    !

    I thought to myself: well, it will be interesting to see how this pans out. Have I misunderstood something? - after all this was the head of the OPCW talking. He ought to know more than me about the basics of military nerve agents.

    But sure enough now the Guardian reports:

    Chemical weapons watchdog amends claim over Salisbury novichok

    Within hours of the report, however, startled chemical weapons experts were challenging the figure, insisting a miscommunication had occurred. A statement from the OPCW on Friday said the organisation “would not be able to estimate or determine the amount of the nerve agent that was used”.

    It added: “The quantity should nonetheless probably be characterised in milligrams.”
     
    Now granted Üzümcü is a career diplomat rather than a chemist, but regardless he has been the head of the OPCW since 2010. One would like to think he would have picked up the basics sufficiently not to exaggerate the amount of a notoriously lethal substance by at least three orders of magnitude.

    And given the pro-US/UK spin he was trying to put on his absurd exaggeration, does the man retain any credibility whatsoever as head of a supposedly neutral organisation?

    The next claim will be that they used a nuclear bomb on British soil to kill the Skripals. A nuclear bomb twenty times the size of the Nagasaki bomb. It also proved that they wanted the Skripals dead (or else why use such a huge bomb), as well as Russian culpability (it was a bomb of a type developed by Russia), and it made Russia the sole country in recent history to use a nuclear weapon.

    Later they’d amend the claim in as much as it wasn’t really nuclear, or a bomb, but it was still horrible.

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    The next claim will be that they used a nuclear bomb on British soil to kill the Skripals. A nuclear bomb twenty times the size of the Nagasaki bomb
     
    But somehow the Skripals got better.

    The whole thing seems to lurch from the ridiculous to the bizarre, while the establishment media resolutely looks the other way from all the clear inconsistencies and absurdities and refuses to hold the UK regime to account.
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  23. Dmitry says:
    @iffen
    The deficiency of the average American's understanding of Israel is more or less in line with that deficiency of knowledge of other countries. Do you think we know more about the UK other than royal family gossip and trivia?

    BTW, these Jew haters are mostly correct about the "lens" through which Americans get their look at Israel. I think that you would be wise to let Americans keep there "distorted" view of Israel, that is, if you are concerned about American support for Israel.

    The deficiency of the average American’s understanding of Israel is more or less in line with that deficiency of knowledge of other countries. Do you think we know more about the UK other than royal family gossip and trivia?

    It’s true. But it’s still strange the amount of time wasted in these Mordors of the imagination, such as are written so many articles on this website which seem to have nothing in common with direct experience, at least of my own – and which Russia is also one. Especially as there is today no barrier to access to learning a language and direct access to foreign culture of interest – as we do, for example, when it comes to America or talking with English-speakers on forums like here.

    BTW, these Jew haters are mostly correct about the “lens” through which Americans get their look at Israel. I think that you would be wise to let Americans keep there “distorted” view of Israel, that is, if you are concerned about American support for Israel.

    Like with most destinations, where a person hates it or loves it in reality (and with a long experience) will have more to do with their personality, inclination, friends – than something to do with lens or ideology.

    Israel is probably quite polarizing. But I would say if you will hate it or love it, more based on natural inclination for what is a chaotic, liberal mix of Iraq and Ukraine, with maybe some Morocco added. (But then you have to take me ‘with a pinch of salt’ – as I have never stayed in Iraq or Morocco).

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    you have to take me ‘with a pinch of salt’

    The salient and definitive feature of Israel for most commenters and many writers here is that it is full of Jews. What kind of Jews, what they look like, what they wear, what they eat, their interactions with each other, in sum, what they do when they are awake are minor details.

    When they do normal nation state stuff like fight their enemies it gets their attention as to the "details."

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  24. Anon[178] • Disclaimer says: • Website

    Just ask the Palestinians.

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  25. Randal says:
    @reiner Tor
    The next claim will be that they used a nuclear bomb on British soil to kill the Skripals. A nuclear bomb twenty times the size of the Nagasaki bomb. It also proved that they wanted the Skripals dead (or else why use such a huge bomb), as well as Russian culpability (it was a bomb of a type developed by Russia), and it made Russia the sole country in recent history to use a nuclear weapon.

    Later they’d amend the claim in as much as it wasn’t really nuclear, or a bomb, but it was still horrible.

    The next claim will be that they used a nuclear bomb on British soil to kill the Skripals. A nuclear bomb twenty times the size of the Nagasaki bomb

    But somehow the Skripals got better.

    The whole thing seems to lurch from the ridiculous to the bizarre, while the establishment media resolutely looks the other way from all the clear inconsistencies and absurdities and refuses to hold the UK regime to account.

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  26. Dmitry says:
    @Daniil Adamov
    This was probably sarcasm but I find the real country (whether it's Israel or Russia or the USA) to be much more interesting. It's just that the real image is too complex and dynamic, and it's more fun to rage against simple, stationary strawmen.

    The real reason I'm replying is to say that I still remember and hate those giant flying cockroaches, but am glad to find that I am not the only one who considers them an important symbol of the Real Israel (if I understood your comments correctly).

    I agree and was not being sarcastic or symbolic. It is sometimes like imagining people that never have, or hardly have, tasted pepsi or cola, debating the advantages or disadvantages of pepsi or coke.

    It is often just a debate over various mental pictures, which are held by different people for different emotional reasons. The debate could continue unaffected, if the real place, with all its giant flying cockroaches, did not even exist.

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  27. Anonymous[400] • Disclaimer says:
    @anony-mouse
    Q: Do you believe that most Jews are genetically White?

    This seems to depend on how “white” is defined. “White” seems to be defined differently by different people for various reasons and motivations. The most common and standard definition seems to be that it refers to people of European origin, that is it is a race within the larger Caucasoid race, which is not confined to Europe. This is the sense of the term that most people hold, which is why most people don’t regard non-European Caucasoids as white. Another definition defines “white” as “Caucasoid” and includes non-European Caucasoids.

    Apparently a subset of Jews, the Ashkenazi, are genetically a mix of Italian and non-European Caucasoid. How Jews are classified seems to vary according to who classifies and what definitions they use. This is why you have a situation where some will claim that Ashkenazi Jews are white, while others will say otherwise:

    http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/ashkenazi-jews-are-not-white-response-to-haaretz-article/

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    The referenced text is popular on the web, but I think it's pretty naive. For better Jew-centric non-whiteism, I'd recommend:

    http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/yes-ashkenazi-jews-including-gal-gadot-are-people-of-color/

    http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/ashkenazi-jews-are-still-people-of-color-reply-to-critics/
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  28. @Dmitry
    On the issue of Israel, you could take 80 years reading on sites like this (assuming a life-time), and would leaving knowing nothing or less about the subject, or even less than our friend Greasy William seems to know.

    On the internet, reading people obsessing about Israel, but who don't know even about the giant flying cockroaches or about drinking chocolate milk from a plastic bag - it's like seeing people chasing after phantoms, where even the positive comments seem as completely wrong.

    For one example - I often see comments that don't seem to know that about half of the Jews in Israel are a brown (often very dark brown colored) people.

    On the issue of Israel, you could take 80 years reading on sites like this (assuming a life-time), and would leaving knowing nothing or less about the subject, or even less than our friend Greasy William seems to know.

    Some serious pot and kettle shit here.

    How many people do you know who live in Yitzhar, Bnei Brak or Meah Shearim? End of fucking discussion.

    You know a lot of rootless cosmopolitan Israelis who only want to be left alone and don’t care about making Israel into a theocracy or killing Lebanese, Syrians and Iranians. Congratulations. But you don’t know anything about the Torah True community in the Land of Israel.

    But guess who does know a lot about that community and has friends who are part of it? MEEEEEEE!!!!!! And considering that the Torah True are on the rise and have won every battle with the Chilonim for the last 12 years, that is a lot more important then your knowledge of a community that is destined for annihilation.

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    How many people do you know who live in Yitzhar, Bnei Brak or Meah Shearim? End of fucking discussion.
     
    Bnei Brak I know well and have walked through a lot of times, especially in the nights - because of walking from Ramat Gan to Petah Tikva.

    It feels like a giant kindergarten, kids running around everywhere at 11pm. Falling buildings and rabbis walking around as if in the 19th century Polish winter, even on the 40°C night.
    I actually find it strangely charming and exotic than other areas.

    Anyway, the dosim there are generally not supporting Israel. Those are the only kind of places apart from the Arab areas, where you don't see the Israel flags displayed on the independence day.
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  29. Don’t know/haven’t heard of the Holocaust

    When someone mentions The Holocaust ™ , it’s always amusing to say “That’s sounds familiar – what’s that?”

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    :-)

    When someone mentions The Holocaust ™, I try to be supportive:

    "I'm no Holocaust denier -- I don't deny any of the Holocausts Israel is responsible for."
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  30. iffen says:
    @Dmitry

    The deficiency of the average American’s understanding of Israel is more or less in line with that deficiency of knowledge of other countries. Do you think we know more about the UK other than royal family gossip and trivia?

     

    It's true. But it's still strange the amount of time wasted in these Mordors of the imagination, such as are written so many articles on this website which seem to have nothing in common with direct experience, at least of my own - and which Russia is also one. Especially as there is today no barrier to access to learning a language and direct access to foreign culture of interest - as we do, for example, when it comes to America or talking with English-speakers on forums like here.

    BTW, these Jew haters are mostly correct about the “lens” through which Americans get their look at Israel. I think that you would be wise to let Americans keep there “distorted” view of Israel, that is, if you are concerned about American support for Israel.
     
    Like with most destinations, where a person hates it or loves it in reality (and with a long experience) will have more to do with their personality, inclination, friends - than something to do with lens or ideology.

    Israel is probably quite polarizing. But I would say if you will hate it or love it, more based on natural inclination for what is a chaotic, liberal mix of Iraq and Ukraine, with maybe some Morocco added. (But then you have to take me 'with a pinch of salt' - as I have never stayed in Iraq or Morocco).

    you have to take me ‘with a pinch of salt’

    The salient and definitive feature of Israel for most commenters and many writers here is that it is full of Jews. What kind of Jews, what they look like, what they wear, what they eat, their interactions with each other, in sum, what they do when they are awake are minor details.

    When they do normal nation state stuff like fight their enemies it gets their attention as to the “details.”

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    OT: Why the ugly protest the most against the rape? They have lots of pretty women in Israel but I do not see them here.

    Thousands of topless women march through Tel Aviv in 'Slut Walk' protest against rape and sexual abuse as they demand the right to wear what they choose

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5694071/Thousands-topless-demonstrators-march-Tel-Aviv-Slut-Walk.html#ixzz5Edr4zQZP
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    Waste of time.

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  32. @Anonymous
    This seems to depend on how "white" is defined. "White" seems to be defined differently by different people for various reasons and motivations. The most common and standard definition seems to be that it refers to people of European origin, that is it is a race within the larger Caucasoid race, which is not confined to Europe. This is the sense of the term that most people hold, which is why most people don't regard non-European Caucasoids as white. Another definition defines "white" as "Caucasoid" and includes non-European Caucasoids.

    Apparently a subset of Jews, the Ashkenazi, are genetically a mix of Italian and non-European Caucasoid. How Jews are classified seems to vary according to who classifies and what definitions they use. This is why you have a situation where some will claim that Ashkenazi Jews are white, while others will say otherwise:

    http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/ashkenazi-jews-are-not-white-response-to-haaretz-article/

    The referenced text is popular on the web, but I think it’s pretty naive. For better Jew-centric non-whiteism, I’d recommend:

    http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/yes-ashkenazi-jews-including-gal-gadot-are-people-of-color/

    http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/ashkenazi-jews-are-still-people-of-color-reply-to-critics/

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  33. Anonymous[196] • Disclaimer says:

    I wouldn’t consider myself anti-Semitic. I grew up in a fairly Jewish area and most of my good friends and family friends and holiday get-togethers were Jewish. Some of the most kind and decent people in my life have been Jewish. It was only later, through books and the internet, that I began to question and start to believe that Jews have a disproportionate and deleterious influence on culture, politics and especially foreign policy. The Iraq War really opened my eyes. Since then I can’t help but see a lot of politics and culture through the lens of Jewish influence. So when I meet run-of-the-mill Jews working menial jobs and hustling and scraping by, i.e., “dumb Jews”— and I have known many— I think, ‘I can’t believe you’re part of the same people that is controlling the world’.

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  34. utu says:
    @iffen
    you have to take me ‘with a pinch of salt’

    The salient and definitive feature of Israel for most commenters and many writers here is that it is full of Jews. What kind of Jews, what they look like, what they wear, what they eat, their interactions with each other, in sum, what they do when they are awake are minor details.

    When they do normal nation state stuff like fight their enemies it gets their attention as to the "details."

    OT: Why the ugly protest the most against the rape? They have lots of pretty women in Israel but I do not see them here.

    Thousands of topless women march through Tel Aviv in ‘Slut Walk’ protest against rape and sexual abuse as they demand the right to wear what they choose

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5694071/Thousands-topless-demonstrators-march-Tel-Aviv-Slut-Walk.html#ixzz5Edr4zQZP

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    Looks like a small number - not thousands.

    The NGO workers afterwards who organized the events will say thousands, and therefore get into the newspaper.

    It's similar to Pussy Riot tactics to get into the media.


    The area they are walking through is the bottom of Rothschild Boulevard they are walking through. A lot of nice restaurants there.

    This is where you have to go to Benedicts' restaurant, which is the best restaurant chain in Israel (also they serve bacon all day).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ck7zTZEMWA
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  35. Dmitry says:
    @utu
    OT: Why the ugly protest the most against the rape? They have lots of pretty women in Israel but I do not see them here.

    Thousands of topless women march through Tel Aviv in 'Slut Walk' protest against rape and sexual abuse as they demand the right to wear what they choose

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5694071/Thousands-topless-demonstrators-march-Tel-Aviv-Slut-Walk.html#ixzz5Edr4zQZP

    Looks like a small number – not thousands.

    The NGO workers afterwards who organized the events will say thousands, and therefore get into the newspaper.

    It’s similar to Pussy Riot tactics to get into the media.

    The area they are walking through is the bottom of Rothschild Boulevard they are walking through. A lot of nice restaurants there.

    This is where you have to go to Benedicts’ restaurant, which is the best restaurant chain in Israel (also they serve bacon all day).

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    After watching this, I'm all for cosmetic surgery...
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  36. Dmitry says:
    @Greasy William

    On the issue of Israel, you could take 80 years reading on sites like this (assuming a life-time), and would leaving knowing nothing or less about the subject, or even less than our friend Greasy William seems to know.
     
    Some serious pot and kettle shit here.

    How many people do you know who live in Yitzhar, Bnei Brak or Meah Shearim? End of fucking discussion.


    You know a lot of rootless cosmopolitan Israelis who only want to be left alone and don't care about making Israel into a theocracy or killing Lebanese, Syrians and Iranians. Congratulations. But you don't know anything about the Torah True community in the Land of Israel.

    But guess who does know a lot about that community and has friends who are part of it? MEEEEEEE!!!!!! And considering that the Torah True are on the rise and have won every battle with the Chilonim for the last 12 years, that is a lot more important then your knowledge of a community that is destined for annihilation.

    How many people do you know who live in Yitzhar, Bnei Brak or Meah Shearim? End of fucking discussion.

    Bnei Brak I know well and have walked through a lot of times, especially in the nights – because of walking from Ramat Gan to Petah Tikva.

    It feels like a giant kindergarten, kids running around everywhere at 11pm. Falling buildings and rabbis walking around as if in the 19th century Polish winter, even on the 40°C night.
    I actually find it strangely charming and exotic than other areas.

    Anyway, the dosim there are generally not supporting Israel. Those are the only kind of places apart from the Arab areas, where you don’t see the Israel flags displayed on the independence day.

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  37. notanon says:
    @anony-mouse
    Q: Do you believe that most Jews are genetically White?

    white defined as:
    1) caucasian – yes
    2) european – no (1/2 european, 1/2 west asian)
    3) “white” as i define it personally includes the end result of what i believe has been a distinctive evolutionary history that lead to a large percentage of european descended people (not even necessarily a majority) to have genetic predispositions towards:
    a) co-operative individualism
    b) more universalist and less familial type morality
    which to my mind (along with a minimum average IQ) are necessary for creating the kind of society i want my descendants to live in.
    I’m sure there is a percentage of non-Europeans (including Jews) who also have those genetic predispositions but the percentage is a lot lower imo.

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  38. notanon says:

    i think both sides of the anti-semitic debate have a point as i think there’s been a process involved in how we got here:

    1) banking mafia – all bad, all of the time (and would be bad whichever ethno-sectarian group dominated the banking mafia) creating an economic environment of cyclical wealth / collapse

    2) cyclical over generalized backlash against the banking mafia during the collapse phase

    3) reaction to (2) leads to the “cultural Marxism” problem aka Jewish attempts to weaken the host culture and cause internal conflict as preemptive self-defense against (2)

    4) hostile reaction to (3) (also over generalized)

    ->

    vicious cycle which will almost certainly end very badly.

    if there is a long term solution it’s recognizing that:

    1) legalized counterfeiting gangs (aka central banking mafia) are a bad idea

    2) unless understood and explicitly constrained usury is parasitic and will always lead to economic disaster and resulting unpleasantness.

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  39. @TelfoedJohn

    Don't know/haven't heard of the Holocaust
     
    When someone mentions The Holocaust ™ , it's always amusing to say "That's sounds familiar - what's that?"

    :-)

    When someone mentions The Holocaust ™, I try to be supportive:

    “I’m no Holocaust denier — I don’t deny any of the Holocausts Israel is responsible for.”

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  40. @anony-mouse
    Q: Do you believe that most Jews are genetically White?

    ‘white’ is range, thats not to say there’s no such race but rather that where you draw the line is a bit arbitrary. consider europe’s southern border most of the mideast and north africa was part of the roman empire, turkey was its capital at one point there’s a lot of pretty white people down there armenians georgians turks etc but even if you draw the line at the south of greece and bulgaria you’re going to find greeks and bulgarians closer to turks than they are to say Poles. no matter where you draw it you run into this difficulty.austrians are going to be closer to hungarians than icelanders.
    AKZ jews are 50-50% italian ( the white nation with the highest IQ BTW) so genetically theu are probably more white or northern than bulgarians. their genetics isnt the problem its how they behave maybe this is there non euro genetics maybe its their culture its seems unsolvable for them to have again turned on their adopted country america after world war 2 pretty much proves they will never ever learn to either assimilate or stop living among others.what they have done is nothing short of genocidal

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    White is basically the christian world post Islam minus Ethiopia।।
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  41. @Dmitry
    Looks like a small number - not thousands.

    The NGO workers afterwards who organized the events will say thousands, and therefore get into the newspaper.

    It's similar to Pussy Riot tactics to get into the media.


    The area they are walking through is the bottom of Rothschild Boulevard they are walking through. A lot of nice restaurants there.

    This is where you have to go to Benedicts' restaurant, which is the best restaurant chain in Israel (also they serve bacon all day).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ck7zTZEMWA

    After watching this, I’m all for cosmetic surgery…

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  42. Singh says:
    @Colleen Pater
    'white' is range, thats not to say there's no such race but rather that where you draw the line is a bit arbitrary. consider europe's southern border most of the mideast and north africa was part of the roman empire, turkey was its capital at one point there's a lot of pretty white people down there armenians georgians turks etc but even if you draw the line at the south of greece and bulgaria you're going to find greeks and bulgarians closer to turks than they are to say Poles. no matter where you draw it you run into this difficulty.austrians are going to be closer to hungarians than icelanders.
    AKZ jews are 50-50% italian ( the white nation with the highest IQ BTW) so genetically theu are probably more white or northern than bulgarians. their genetics isnt the problem its how they behave maybe this is there non euro genetics maybe its their culture its seems unsolvable for them to have again turned on their adopted country america after world war 2 pretty much proves they will never ever learn to either assimilate or stop living among others.what they have done is nothing short of genocidal

    White is basically the christian world post Islam minus Ethiopia।।

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  43. @Silva
    What other Semites do you consider OK? Sefardim, Mizrahim, most Arabs, some Arabs, Habesha ... ?

    I consider local, middle east/N. African brownish semites A-OK. They are generally stupid, harmless, and have little or no interest in the universalist Tikkun Olam.

    the nomadic, fake-White, high-IQ asiatic Ashkenaz (most currently camped out in Palestine/’Murka after a 1,300 year westward Wander from Khazaria to Europe) are, with a few individual exceptions,

    Satanic.

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