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I am too tired right now to compile all this into something more elegant than a point-by-point rant, so here goes: Some preliminary thoughts on the latest terrorist attacks that have claimed 128+ lives in Paris.

(1) The usual cucks have wasted no time in making political hay of this tragedy

So don’t be shamed by traditional social conventions about avoiding making political points out of respect for the dead. Like it or not but the information age and the 24 hour news cycle have made this genteel habit obsolete and indeed, maladaptive.

Spread the anti-“Invite the World” propaganda far and wide (Liveleak version in case YouTube shuts it down).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44vzMNG2fZc

Note as Whyvert points out that Marine Le Pen, leading the opinion polls and the one politician who might have materially reduced the chances of this happening, is currently on trial for Islamophobia. The globalist elites don’t play fair and neither should you.

(2) It’s probably not even gonna cost you much, if anything.

For instance, here is what Wikileaks – an impressively redpilled organization – Tweeted soon after the attacks.

Contrary to their numerous detractors in the comments, this is an entirely brave and entirely appropriate Tweet. It’s the exact time and place because nobody would pay any attention otherwise.

Moreover, I took note of their follower count when they made this Tweet. It was at 2.81 million. A few hours later, it was still at 2.81 million.

Note that this in spite of the SJWs having attacked Wikileaks for politicizing these terrorist attacks but not the the likes of establishment journalists like Ezra Klein. But apart from confirming SJWs as the mercenary attack dogs of the neocons that they are, this didn’t even have any substantial effect on Wikileaks’ follower numbers, which goes once more to show that the SJWs are more bark than bite.

(3) The globalist elites are pure unadultered evil so do not take anything they say at face value.

assad-on-western-hypocrisy

And now we come to the “Invade Whe world” part.

The Syrian Civil War was a primarily US sponsored project to weaponize their Islamist lackeys to break up Syria for make benefit of Israel. And ever since Sarkozy it should be borne in mind that France has become even more “American” than the Americans, as seen in Libya, and in the ferocity of their demands to oust Assad.

Therefore do not rush to celebrate, like the otherwise astute hbdchick:

Treat everything these reptiles say with the utmost suspicion.

When Hollande declares that this is a “war,” bear in mind that he might just as easily be talking about, say, French nationalists. Indeed, given the trends towards defining Islamic terrorism as “anti-Islamic activity,” terrorist attacks like these could for the elites be a convenient way of getting rid of two birds with one stone i.e. the Islamist problem that they themselves created, plus the Front National and other pro-French and pro-European forces.

Bear in mind also that in Western rhetoric Assad is responsible for the immigrant crisis and for terrorism and everything else that their own perverse policies have created, so do not be overly surprised if in a few days or weeks there arises a renewed clamor for removing Assad – the rock that holds the last bastion of civilization in place in the region.

Note that the “intellectual” foundations for any such developments are already being laid by the neocons:

See also:

https://twitter.com/rooshv/status/665427332673441792

At the extreme end of the spectrum of the possible fallout from all this we could see a resuscitation of the Western plans for a no fly zone over Syria which were in place before Russia intervened (Translation: Bombing the legitimate Syrian government, helping exterminate civilized Alawites, Islamic State apemen spreading their reach to the Mediterranean Sea).

This is an idea with plenty of neocon support and Lindsey Graham has been the latest Western politician to endorse it.

As I said before I do not think the Western elites are that crazy – at least the guys in the Pentagon should be realistic and well-informed enough to put the damper on any such adventurist nonsense should it gain further traction in what passes for “debate” in American foreign policy – but then again when it comes to these people nothing can be definitively ruled out…

 
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  1. My position is that such events are false flags unless proven otherwise.

    I am very much concerned that this may be an Archduke Ferdinand moment, which will lead to NATO military intervention in Syria – illegal intervention – and some sort of clash with the Russian Federation forces stationed there.

    • Replies: @E. Harding
    I, too, suspect CIA involvement in this attack and the probable Russian plane bombing (~30% chance of involvement)
    , @Astuteobservor II
    never gonna happen with russia over there. unless the neocons are willing to go to war with russia.

    in the current world. whichever moves first have the advantage. russia has already moved in. nato can do jack shit to assad now.
    , @Muhammad
    Of course it's a false flag. They found a Syrian passport on one of the 'exploded' bombers. Just like the 9/11 Saudi passport- it's made from fireproof, explosion proof material. Perfect for suicide activists who want to make sure they can be easily identified after immolation or blowing themselves to smithereens. Yeah right. Only an amoeba is dumb enough to believe this rubbish.
  2. To understand France’s “Allah Akbar” yelling terrorists – one has to read recently published book, “Who is Charlie?” authored by no other than French historian, anthropologist, demographic, sociologist, and political scientist, Emmanuel Todd (Jewish).

    After the release of book, Who is Charlie? – Manuel Valls, the pro-Israel French Zionist prime minister with an Israeli wife, posted a letter in country’s top newspaper Le Monde (May 7, 2015) denouncing the book and defending the ‘Million March’ in Paris in support of Rothschild-owned Charlie Hebdo’s rights to insult Islam and Christianity but not Judaism or Holocaust.

    Todd has long been declared antisemite for criticizing Samuel P. Huntington’s thesis of the so-called clash between the Islamic and Western civilizations. Todd, like Alan Sorel, Felix Marquardt and comedian Dieudonne believe that immigration from Muslim countries don’t pose a demographic threat to French nation but instead contribute to France’s stability and growth.

    http://rehmat1.com/2015/11/14/who-is-charlie-the-book-french-pm-hates/

    • Agree: Kiza
    • Replies: @This Is Our Home

    Todd, like Alan Sorel, Felix Marquardt and comedian Dieudonne believe that immigration from Muslim countries don’t pose a demographic threat to French nation but instead contribute to France’s stability and growth.
     
    Anyone who believes that is totally nuts.
  3. Online @ http://ronaldthomaswest.com/2015/11/13/friday-the-13th-in-paris/

    “We’ve seen an outrageous attempt to terrorize innocent civilians, this is an attack not just on Paris, it is an attack not just on the people of France, but it is an attack on all of humanity and the universal values we share” -Barack Obama

    Why didn’t Obama, Hollande and company consider their making possible the rise of Islamic State as a device to overthrow Assad as “an outrageous attempt to terrorize innocent civilians [and] an attack on all of humanity and the universal values we share” ??

    Speaking directly to the above linked intelligence report, enabling the rise of Islamic State, according to the former boss of the Defense Intelligence Agency General Mike Flynn (speaking to al-Jazeera) “was a willful policy decision”

    • Agree: tbraton
    • Replies: @unpc downunder
    “We’ve seen an outrageous attempt to terrorize innocent civilians, this is an attack not just on Paris, it is an attack not just on the people of France, but it is an attack on all of humanity and the universal values we share” -Barack Obama

    Wrong - this is attack on liberalism by Islam and it the result of the actions of Muslims and liberals. As a particularist it has nothing to do with me.
    , @annamaria
    "We, the West, overthrew Saddam by violence. We overthrew Gaddafi by violence. We are trying to overthrow Assad by violence. Harsh regimes all — but far less draconian than our Saudi allies, and other tyrannies around the world. What has been the result of these interventions? A hell on earth, one that grows wider and more virulent year after year.
    Without the American crime of aggressive war against Iraq — which, by the measurements used by Western governments themselves, left more than a million innocent people dead — there would be no ISIS, no “Al Qaeda in Iraq.” Without the Saudi and Western funding and arming of an amalgam of extremist Sunni groups across the Middle East, used as proxies to strike at Iran and its allies, there would be no ISIS. Let’s go back further. Without the direct, extensive and deliberate creation by the United States and its Saudi ally of a world-wide movement of armed Sunni extremists during the Carter and Reagan administrations, there would have been no “War on Terror” — and no terrorist attacks in Paris tonight."
    http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/11/13/the-age-of-despair-reaping-the-whirlwind-of-western-support-for-extremist-violence/
  4. On Thursday Bavarian police caught some guy from Montenegro in routine controls, his car was full of weapons and explosives, and documents indicated he was bound for Paris. If this is confirmed and the terrorists came via Germany from the Balkans, this means they will have profited from Germany’s de facto abolition of borders. This won’t be good for Franco-German relations or for Germany’s standing in the EU, to put it mildly,…and if there’s anything like accountability for politicians left, it should kill Merkel’s chancellorship.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    Correction: The arrest I mentioned happened already on Thursday a week ago.
    , @SolontoCroesus

    if there’s anything like accountability for politicians left, it should kill Merkel’s chancellorship.
     
    silver lining


    ---

    Has Bibi purchased his plane tickets to Paris yet?
    Will the little missus be along to get in some Hannukah shopping in the City of Lights?
    , @reiner Tor

    it should kill Merkel’s chancellorship
     
    Heartening news of an almost transcendental proportion.
  5. The globalist elites don’t play fair and neither should you.

    So you don’t like Bolsheviks but you don’t mind lifting some of their most effective ideas.

    • Replies: @Carl
    Of course!
    , @Anonymous
    I fear that the Paris attacks will be used by the inhuman filth in Western governments to take down Assad. Merkel is already saying she will join Hollande in his war:
    http://laiglesforum.com/3553/3553.htm
  6. @German_reader
    On Thursday Bavarian police caught some guy from Montenegro in routine controls, his car was full of weapons and explosives, and documents indicated he was bound for Paris. If this is confirmed and the terrorists came via Germany from the Balkans, this means they will have profited from Germany's de facto abolition of borders. This won't be good for Franco-German relations or for Germany's standing in the EU, to put it mildly,...and if there's anything like accountability for politicians left, it should kill Merkel's chancellorship.

    Correction: The arrest I mentioned happened already on Thursday a week ago.

  7. France played the leading role in the joint western-islamist attack on Libya, unleashing the mediterranean Camp of Saints. Invade Islam, invite Islam.
    Western elites, arab oil sheiks and islamists are one big happy family.

  8. I’m definitely a non-expert here, but the Assad statement sounds like an observation by Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn, who wrote for “National Review” decades ago. If my memory’s okay, he wrote about the West’s penchant for sheer bullpuckey. Don’t like an authoritarian foreign government? Great. Tell your citizens it’s suppressing democracy. Do you like that same foreign government? Tell your citizens it’s an anode of stability. And on, and on, whipsawing popular and elite opinion any ol’ which way.

    • Replies: @Drapetomaniac
    So you have morality, areas of behavior that developed to promote the survival of the ingroup:
    Care/harm: cherishing and protecting others.
    Fairness/cheating: rendering justice according to shared rules.
    Liberty/oppression: the loathing of tyranny.
    Loyalty/betrayal: standing with your group, family, nation.
    Authority/subversion: obeying tradition and legitimate authority.
    Sanctity/degradation: abhorrence for disgusting things, foods, actions.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_Foundations_Theory

    These are what your Lords and Masters manipulate to get people to be dupes.

  9. I would have expected last night’s terrorists to be North Africans, perhaps with a black or two. But there are now several reports that a Syrian passport was found on one of them. Could they actually be some of Mother Childless’s adorable little tykes in person?

    • Replies: @annamaria
    most likely it was someone whose family was massacred by some US/UK-made precision bomb and whose village is no more
    I am against capital punishment, but the US neocons of Cheney/Krystol kind (and other architects and drivers of the mass-murderous Middle Eastern wars) should be at least considered for hanging.
    , @KA
    Passport has been found to let NATO fly over Damascus. That's what it means
    , @Bill Jones
    You do realize Hollande was bombing Damascus, don't you?

    What did he think would happen.
  10. @5371
    I would have expected last night's terrorists to be North Africans, perhaps with a black or two. But there are now several reports that a Syrian passport was found on one of them. Could they actually be some of Mother Childless's adorable little tykes in person?

    most likely it was someone whose family was massacred by some US/UK-made precision bomb and whose village is no more
    I am against capital punishment, but the US neocons of Cheney/Krystol kind (and other architects and drivers of the mass-murderous Middle Eastern wars) should be at least considered for hanging.

    • Agree: geokat62
    • Replies: @Olorin
    Yeah, that makes sense. Because French Eagles of Death Metal fans precision bomb "villages" when they're not at concerts.

    You're arguing from the same template SJWs in the US use to explain why blacks come into a fully functioning city, wanting but simultaneously hating its benefits and comforts, and those who create them, and reduce it to a pile of rubble in about 30 years. "It's past trauma! It's memory of bad stuff! It's what other people did to them!"

    C'mon, these HEDs are what they are genetically--they're explosive because DNA, and also because their own elites have pumped that up for their own reasons.

    All the psychological analysis in the world isn't going to change that any more than shoveling welfare at some fraction of them will.

    I doubt the weaponized carbon units had anything to do with "villages" except in the same way white liberals and progs in the US have anything to do with blacks.

    They do what they do because it's what they do, and they will exploit any population's niches to glean resources to continue to do it. They too are the tools of their local outposts of the global elite (which is not a unitary club nor entirely composed of US/UK interests and elements).

    It's observed in psychometrics that people have a very difficult time talking across an IQ gap of more than two standard deviations (30 points). For what it's worth Koko the Gorilla's IQ has been variously measured at 70 to 90. Two SD above that is 100-120. I suggest that what we're observing is a similar gap in SD on personality traits.

    https://jaymans.wordpress.com/2014/04/17/predictions-on-the-worldwide-distribution-of-personality/

    That's not going to be fixed with politics except as politics as an instrument of selection. And that's not so much a matter of "fixing" it as biological populations doing what they do: contesting for resources, mates, and power.

  11. @5371
    I would have expected last night's terrorists to be North Africans, perhaps with a black or two. But there are now several reports that a Syrian passport was found on one of them. Could they actually be some of Mother Childless's adorable little tykes in person?

    Passport has been found to let NATO fly over Damascus. That’s what it means

  12. “In an explosive revelation during an interview with Politico, the former CIA director during President George W. Bush’s administration claims his department informed White house officials over impending Al Qaeda attacks months before the president received the infamous “Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S.” presidential briefing.”
    http://www.rawstory.com/2015/11/ex-cia-director-bush-ignored-months-of-warnings-about-911-to-avoid-leaving-paper-trail-of-culpability/?utm_source=fark&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=rawstory

    Now they tell us .

    • Replies: @KA
    From same" “Rich [Blee] started by saying, ‘There will be significant terrorist attacks against the United States in the coming weeks or months. The attacks will be spectacular. They may be multiple. Al Qaeda’s intention is the destruction of the United States.’” Tenet remembered.

    "According to Tenet, “[Condi said:] ‘What do you think we need to do?’ Black responded by slamming his fist on the table, and saying, ‘We need to go on a wartime footing now!’”

    Problem was identified . Solution was offered . Neither registered with the administration.
  13. The Syrian Civil War was a primarily US sponsored project to weaponize their Islamist lackeys to break up Syria for make benefit of Israel.

    Absurd! State Dept and Obama despise Netnayahu. Likud party and Israel. Plus your link says zero about Israel. Now possibly we started in with trying to overthrow Assad because the Saudis and other Sunni oil producers demanded this help, plus they were arming ISIS for quite a while. Plus State hating Putin saw Assad as a Russian stooge.

    Just saying that blame for Syria’s present situation lies in the centuries old Sunni-Shiite conflicts and wars. With the US coming down on the Sunni side. With Russia and Iran on the Assad-Alewite side. Alewite Islam is a Shiite offshoot/////

    Double Dealing_____June 14 2014
    America’s Allies Are Funding ISIS
    The Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS), now threatening Baghdad, was funded for years by wealthy donors in (ALL ARE SUNNI MUSLIM NATIONS) Kuwait, Qatar, and Saudi Arabia, three U.S. allies that have dual agendas in the war on terror.

    The extremist group that is threatening the existence of the Iraqi state was built and grown for years with the help of elite donors from American supposed allies in the Persian Gulf region. There, the threat of Iran, Assad, and the Sunni-Shiite sectarian war trumps the U.S. goal of stability and moderation in the region.

    It’s an ironic twist, especially for donors in Kuwait (who, to be fair, back a wide variety of militias). ISIS has aligned itself with remnants of the Baathist regime once led by Saddam Hussein. Back in 1990, the U.S. attacked Iraq in order to liberate Kuwait from Hussein’s clutches. Now Kuwait is helping the rise of his successors.

    As ISIS takes over town after town in Iraq, they are acquiring money and supplies including American made vehicles, arms, and ammunition. The group reportedly scored $430 million this week when they looted the main bank in Mosul. They reportedly now have a stream of steady income sources, including from selling oil in the Northern Syrian regions they control, sometimes directly to the Assad regime. ______ http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/06/14/america-s-allies-are-funding-isis.html

    • Replies: @KA
    Irresponsible journalism at the Center for American Progress. A day before the organization feted Benjamin Netanyahu to try to show the Democratic Party’s support for Israel, its website ThinkProgress ran an article titled, “How The American Religious Right Is Making The Middle East Peace Process Impossible.” The piece argues that rightwing Christian organizations are responsible for the settlements in the West Bank; it shows that some Christian groups support the settlements and all the Republican presidential candidates do too. Sheldon Adelson is only mentioned in passing by reporter Jack Jenkins, though that’s the big prize for the Republican candidates.

    This is happy horseshit and pure political mystification. The Democratic Party is as mixed up with the settlements as anyone else. The Obama administration vetoed a UN Security resolution against the settlements in 2011. It quashed an effort at the Democratic convention in 2012 to highlight the occupation of East Jerusalem. It has done nothing to punish Israel for greatly expanding the settlements over the last eight years. Remember that Bill Clinton ran to George Bush’s right on settlements in 1992 and won the presidency. Some say that Bush’s opposition to the settlements and the Israel lobby cost him his job.

    If the settlements really were a Republican cause, as Think Progress maintains, then it would play out like the abortion issue or the gay rights issue: the Dems could righteously take the leftwing side and rally their base without fear of reprisal– and the middle ground would go along with the Dems because it’s the reasonable position. Same sex marriage and abortion rights are the law of the land. But the Dems don’t take that side, and the policy serves Israeli expansion, because the Dems fear the repercussions inside the Jewish wing of the Democratic Party. Barney Frank saw the settlements firsthand a few years ago and deplored them and was challenged to come out against them, and he refused, his guide Jeff Halper says. Unless you can bring me 5000 Jews in my district who oppose the settlements, it would be political suicide, Frank said then. And that’s the bottom line: the Jewish establishment has refused to condemn the settlements, and the settlements have wide support inside the Jewish community. There’s not a dime’s worth of difference between Sheldon Adelson and Haim Saban; they agree on virtually every issue involving Israel support, and one bankrolls the Republican candidates and the other bankrolls Dems. Saban works with groups that work in the settlements. And Dems will do nothing to alienate Saban and his like. Why isn’t Jack Jenkins investigating Saban’s connections to settlements? (BTW, Barney Frank’s sister Ann Lewis helped censor other writers at CAP who were critical of Israel.)

    This is intellectually irresponsible on the part of CAP, because if you are going to take on the settlement project you have to take on the Israel lobby, whose influence transcends party, as CAP demonstrated for all the world when it sucked up to a rightwing fascistic slaughterous prime minister on Tuesday. The head of CAP gave only lip service to the settlement question in her conversation with Netanyahu, and the first questioner from the audience put forward a neoconservative plan to annex the settlements to Israel that was promptly endorsed by a leading Democratic Jewish publication. There was not a word about settlements in Hillary Clinton’s vow in that same liberal Jewish publication to mend fences with Israel and Netanyahu– and a disavowal of the idea that East Jerusalem is occupied.

    If the Center for American Progress really cares about Middle East peace, then it should educate people about the hateful occupation (which no Palestinian likes, any more than black people liked Jim Crow and slavery, those great precedents) and the Democratic Party’s role in it, and the Jewish establishment’s support for the settlement project. The Center for American Progress reporter Jack Jenkins studied divinity; he knows that his true obligation is to focus on the beam in the Democrats’ eye before he anatomizes the mote in the Republicans’.

    - See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/11/settlement-rightwing-christians#sthash.qD4AvJA7.dpuf

    Displacement is a pervasive phenomenon . Blaming other is easy . Blaming Gulf is easy ,blaming Turkey is lot easier .the facts of the matter are this - Evangelics and Arab are junior partner in these two respective games ( like Democrats and Republican both controlled by Zionist)
    It is Isarel who is the senior CEO
    , @KA
    In 2007 AIPAC delegates eagerly and confidently asserted that " we would do an Iraq on Iran"
    ( www.salon.com) proving that they did Iraq and they planned more. For them Syria is the gate to get to Iran Atleast it was until this deal with Iran . They still keep hope alive .
    , @geokat62

    The Syrian Civil War was a primarily US sponsored project to weaponize their Islamist lackeys to break up Syria for make benefit of Israel.
     
    Clyde: Absurd!

    Clyde, I once wrote a response to Sherman (who probably sits in the next cubicle from you), and challenged him to refute what M&W wrote about Syria , in their book The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy:

    If there were no Lobby, there would have been no Syria Accountability Act and U.S. policy toward Damascus would have been more in line with the U.S. national interest.
     
    Here is the complete passage from which this quote was taken:

    Israeli leaders did not push the Bush Administration to put its crosshairs on Syria before March 2003, because they were too busy pushing for war against Iraq. But once Baghdad fell in mid‐April, Sharon and his lieutenants began urging Washington to target Damascus. On April 16, for example, Sharon and Shaul Mofaz, his defense minister, gave high profile interviews in different Israeli newspapers. Sharon, in Yedioth Ahronoth, called for the United States to put “very heavy” pressure on Syria. Mofaz told Ma’ariv that, “We have a long list of issues that we are thinking of demanding of the Syrians and it is appropriate that it should be done through the Americans.” Sharon’s national security advisor, Ephraim Halevy, told a WINEP audience that it was now important for the United States to get rough with Syria, and the Washington Post reported that Israel was “fueling the campaign” against Syria by feeding the United States intelligence reports about the actions of Syrian President Bashar Assad.
    Prominent members of the Lobby made the same arguments after Baghdad fell. Wolfowitz declared that “there has got to be regime change in Syria,” and Richard Perle told a journalist that “We could deliver a short message, a two‐ worded message [to other hostile regimes in the Middle East]: ‘You’re next’.” In early April, WINEP released a bipartisan report stating that Syria “should not miss the message that countries that pursue Saddam’s reckless, irresponsible and defiant behavior could end up sharing his fate.” On April 15, Yossi Klein Halevi wrote a piece in the Los Angeles Times entitled “Next, Turn the Screws on Syria,” while the next day Zev Chafets wrote an article for the New York Daily News entitled “Terror‐Friendly Syria Needs a Change, Too.” Not to be outdone, Lawrence Kaplan wrote in the New Republic on April 21 that Syrian leader Assad was a serious threat to America.
    Back on Capitol Hill, Congressman Eliot Engel (D‐NY) had reintroduced the Syria Accountability and Lebanese Sovereignty Restoration Act on April 12. It threatened sanctions against Syria if it did not withdraw from Lebanon, give up its WMD, and stop supporting terrorism, and it also called for Syria and Lebanon to take concrete steps to make peace with Israel. This legislation was strongly endorsed by the Lobby—especially AIPAC—and “framed,” according to the Jewish Telegraph Agency, “by some of Israel’s best friends in Congress.” It had been on the back burner for some time, largely because the Bush Administration had little enthusiasm for it, but the anti‐Syrian act passed overwhelmingly (398‐4) in the House; 89‐4 in the Senate), and Bush signed it into law on December 12, 2003.
    Yet the Bush Administration was still divided about the wisdom of targeting Syria at this time. Although the neoconservatives were eager to pick a fight with Damascus, the CIA and the State Department were opposed. And even after Bush signed the new law, he emphasized that he would go slowly in implementing it.
    Bush’s ambivalence is understandable. First, the Syrian government had been providing the United States with important intelligence about al Qaeda since 9/11 and had also warned Washington about a planned terrorist attack in the Gulf. Syria had also given CIA interrogators access to Mohammed Zammar, the alleged recruiter of some of the 9/11 hijackers. Targeting the Assad regime would jeopardize these valuable connections, and thus undermine the larger war on terrorism.
    Second, Syria was not on bad terms with Washington before the Iraq war (e.g., it had even voted for U.N. Resolution 1441), and it was no threat to the United States. Playing hardball with Syria would make the United States look like a bully with an insatiable appetite for beating up Arab states. Finally, putting Syria on the American hit list would give Damascus a powerful incentive to cause trouble in Iraq. Even if one wanted to pressure Syria, it made good sense to finish the job in Iraq first.
    Yet Congress insisted on putting the screws to Damascus, largely in response to pressure from Israel officials and pro‐Israel groups like AIPAC. If there were no Lobby, there would have been no Syria Accountability Act and U.S. policy toward Damascus would have been more in line with the U.S. national interest.
     
    , @KA
    The Syrian problem "s proximate and nearest association with the overall Zio plan is PNAC 1992,1996,2000 papers and exhortation to destroy Syria and agin political ambience of 2002 when Sharon was asking to keep on marching to Syria He was offering homemade evidences of terrorist hiding in Damascus and WMD being kept dry by Saddam in Syrian desert . Then Israel started bombing Damascus way before 2011 . Very soon it forced Congress to pass more sanctions on Syria .
    Israel is hundred percent responsible . Other crazies ate joining in the game because they know they would suffer same fate if they did not .


    "It’s not that we don’t want the Salafis to throw bombs,” said one US government defense consultant in 2007. “It’s who they throw them at – Hezbollah, Moqtada al-Sadr, Iran, and at the Syrians, if they continue to work with Hezbollah and Iran.”

    Pakistani defense sources interviewed by Asia Times in February 2005 confirmed that insurgents described as “former Ba’ath party” loyalists – who were being recruited and trained by “al-Qaeda in Iraq” under the leadership of the late Abu Musab Zarqawi – were being supplied Pakistan-manufactured weapons by the US. The arms shipments included rifles, rocket-propelled grenade launchers, ammunition, rockets and other light weaponry. These arms “could not be destined for the Iraqi security forces because US arms would be given to them”, a source told Syed Saleem Shahzad – the Times’ Pakistan bureau chief who, “known for his exposes of the Pakistani military” according to the New Yorker, was murdered in 2011. Rather, the US is playing a double-game to “head off” the threat of a “Shi’ite clergy-driven religious movement,” said the Pakistani defense source.


    According to a little-known November report for the US Joint Special Operations University (JSOU) and Strategic Studies Department, Dividing Our Enemies, post-invasion Iraq was “an interesting case study of fanning discontent among enemies, leading to ‘red-against-red’ [enemy-against-enemy] firefights.”

    In August, Debkafile reported that “The US, Jordan and Israel are quietly backing the mixed bag of some 30 Syrian rebel factions”, some of which had just “seized control of the Syrian side of the Quneitra crossing, the only transit point between Israeli and Syrian Golan.” However, Debkafile noted, “al-Qaeda elements have permeated all those factions.” Israel has provided limited support to these rebels in the form of “medical care,” as well as “arms, intelligence and food…

    According to former French foreign minister Roland Dumas, Britain had planned covert action in Syria as early as 2009: “I was in England two years before the violence in Syria on other business,” he told French television: “I met with top British officials, who confessed to me that they were preparing something in Syria. This was in Britain not in America. Britain was preparing gunmen to invade Syria.”

    Leaked emails from the private intelligence firm Stratfor, including notes from a meeting with Pentagon officials, confirmed that as of 2011, US and UK special forces training of Syrian opposition forces was well underway. The goal was to elicit the “collapse” of Assad’s regime “from within.”

    The 2002 Perle-RAND plan was active in the Bush administration’s strategic thinking on Iraq shortly before the 2003 war. According to US private intelligence firm Stratfor, in late 2002, then vice-president Dick Cheney and deputy defense secretary Paul Wolfowitz had co-authored a scheme under which central Sunni-majority Iraq would join with Jordan; the northern Kurdish regions would become an autonomous state; all becoming separate from the southern Shi’ite region.
    In 2008, the strategy re-surfaced – once again via RAND Corp – through a report funded by the US Army Training and Doctrine Command on how to prosecute the ‘long war.’ Among its strategies, one scenario advocated by the report was ‘Divide and Rule’ which would involve “exploiting fault lines between the various Salafi-jihadist groups to turn them against each other and dissipate their energy on internal conflicts.”

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/09/12/how-the-west-created-the-islamic-state/
    , @reiner Tor
    Israel keeps bombing Assad, and former Israeli ambassador to the US explicitly said that they prefer Islamists over Assad.

    But good hasbara on your part.
  14. What to say… only that, false flag or not, this will be certainly used to create even more havoc in Syria. Condolences to the innocent Parisians killed by their own regime, in collaboration with US, UK and the boss of all, Israel.

    • Agree: Realist
    • Replies: @Drapetomaniac
    What innocent Parisians?

    Oh, you mean the less than 1% who aren't government lovers. Maybe one person?

    Of the hundreds of millions who perished at the hands of government in the 20th century, only a couple of million were "innocents". The rest were morons wired to play with fire.
  15. @German_reader
    On Thursday Bavarian police caught some guy from Montenegro in routine controls, his car was full of weapons and explosives, and documents indicated he was bound for Paris. If this is confirmed and the terrorists came via Germany from the Balkans, this means they will have profited from Germany's de facto abolition of borders. This won't be good for Franco-German relations or for Germany's standing in the EU, to put it mildly,...and if there's anything like accountability for politicians left, it should kill Merkel's chancellorship.

    if there’s anything like accountability for politicians left, it should kill Merkel’s chancellorship.

    silver lining

    Has Bibi purchased his plane tickets to Paris yet?
    Will the little missus be along to get in some Hannukah shopping in the City of Lights?

    • Replies: @chris
    he had already purchased his ticket last week
  16. @KA
    "In an explosive revelation during an interview with Politico, the former CIA director during President George W. Bush’s administration claims his department informed White house officials over impending Al Qaeda attacks months before the president received the infamous “Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S.” presidential briefing."
    http://www.rawstory.com/2015/11/ex-cia-director-bush-ignored-months-of-warnings-about-911-to-avoid-leaving-paper-trail-of-culpability/?utm_source=fark&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=rawstory

    Now they tell us .

    From same” “Rich [Blee] started by saying, ‘There will be significant terrorist attacks against the United States in the coming weeks or months. The attacks will be spectacular. They may be multiple. Al Qaeda’s intention is the destruction of the United States.’” Tenet remembered.

    “According to Tenet, “[Condi said:] ‘What do you think we need to do?’ Black responded by slamming his fist on the table, and saying, ‘We need to go on a wartime footing now!’”

    Problem was identified . Solution was offered . Neither registered with the administration.

  17. We got blown up in Boston by Muslims we support in this city the same way France got blown up by the Muslims they support in Paris. There is no yet, it’s already happened and they’re still here plotting the next B/S stunt. They are out there preparing. And there isn’t a thing we can do about it because not only aren’t we getting Muslims out, we’re bring more in. Already the liberals are warning the racists like me not to point out the religion of peace as a factor even though the religion of peace claims credit. See, to liberals, it’s just that bad-boy 1% of Muslims causing all the trouble. If only we could just be tolerant they would love us.

    We have to get used to the idea that until we surrender the country to them, we have to get blown up once in awhile. These are simple things. Paris will surrender, the French will leave Paris to Muslims one day. Muslims are willing to wipe us out, we are not willing to wipe them out. Strongman wins, checkmate and they aren’t interested in the feminist multiculturalism of the West except for how easy it makes their “work”. How’s that feminist multi-cultural thing working, are we ready to abandon that? Until we do, they’re going to rack up the “wins”.

    We’re surrendering our culture and country to them. It’s not a Democrat thing it’s white guilt. The French? They don’t have to stomach to fight back any more than we do. If they did, they would have flushed Muslims out of their country. No, instead, there will be a migration out of Paris the same way there has been a migration of whites out of Detroit, DC, Baltimore, Atlanta, etc. We abandon our cities, we don’t fight back. It’s a surrender. Pretty simple, actually. Different cultures take over the cities here from the culture that will take over Paris, London and the rest over there in Europe, but cultures aside, it’s the descendants of the same African continent. Simple Demographics and it has nothing to do with Democrats. It has to do with Culture vs. Culture. And ours is weaker than theirs. Until I see evidence to the contrary, this will not change. Perhaps Islam and Hispanics will wage war for supremacy, I don’t know. It won’t be whites and feminists, that’s certain

    I see no hope, only a slightly different time line between the US and Europe, although if we import our enemy in greater numbers, we shorten the time line to surrender. But we aren’t going to wage war on our own soil. They are willing, we are not. Strong culture wins. Bye bye, lights out.

    • Replies: @Stan D Mute

    It has to do with Culture vs. Culture. And ours is weaker than theirs. Until I see evidence to the contrary, this will not change.
     
    More to the point, it's MEN. White men are completely demoralized. Look at the full Yuri Bezmenov interview (clip included in video above). This all began as a Soviet effort to demoralize the West. It worked. Our left is multicultural socialist and our right is cuckold fetishist. None will lift a finger to defend our most important asset, our women and children, from the invading Islamists and Africans. 65 years ago, in 1950, white western men would have burned the Islamist areas to the ground and expelled every last one of them. Today, they are beaten. Beaten by communist inspired feminism, queers, and negro lovers. They've been forbidden from speaking truth for at least forty years. Thus the "men" who should do the defending are all feminized twats who cry at a skinned knee or perceived microagression toward a thug illiterate negro. They have no idea what competition is, they're all "winners," and unable to defend themselves let alone their wives, daughters, sisters, and mothers. In fact, they look to these women to defend them!

    The white MAN has been dead for two generations. Where isolated pockets of his race remain, in rural and exurban areas, he is shooting his guns at trees, crashing his motorcycles, and avoiding contact with the society which hates him. It is over for him. That's the irony, that the USSR won even as it collapsed in ruin.
    , @Olorin
    "Already the liberals are warning the racists like me not to point out the religion of peace as a factor even though the religion of peace claims credit. "

    Precisely. Claims credit and fully deserves it.

    "See, to liberals, it’s just that bad-boy 1% of Muslims causing all the trouble. If only we could just be tolerant they would love us. "

    He only hits me because he can't express his love in any other way! Don't you understand? Well, I do, and that makes me special, and willing to die to prove it.

    And this, THIS, is possibly the most important element in the entire thing from a population genetics perspective: the perceived attraction and reproductive fitness of bad boys.

    Look at those making excuses for these HEDs, and wanting to excuse their bad behavior and bring more in. They're not all liberals, Jim. I know bible-beatin conservatives of both evangelical and mainstream religious traditions who do the same thing.

    When I see that much libido undergirding the desire to replace one's own population with bad boys, that tells me that, in their heart of hearts, they want nothing more than to bear the children of bad boys. The idea of anyone being repulsed by that repulses them viscerally. They revel in things like Rotherham the same way they revel in Ferguson.

    Not all liberals and religious conservatives are like that; many are repulsed, but weak.

    That weakness is a strong factor, just as Stan replies here. But how can you chalk it up to "feminism" or "multiculturalism" without naming precisely, exactly which population genetic developed those ideologies?

    Stan chimes the death knell of white men (not white males, white MEN), and of the US, etc. I don't see it that way.

    But white men do need to wise up some on the biological imperative regarding mating with bad brown boys. That isn't a natural impulse, it was implanted in our people through 50+ years of media and cultural and policy tinkering by a relatively small bunch of people.

    I'll go no further than that; we've discussed these matters at other places enough over the years that my opinions about it are well known.
    , @Drapetomaniac
    "We got blown up in Boston by Muslims we support in this city the same way France got blown up by the Muslims they support in Paris."

    The US deserves the same percentage of civilian deaths domestically as it inflicts on other countries. That would be 10 million dead just for the war of aggression against Iraq.

    How many million pressure cooker bombs would that take, Clueless Jim?
  18. Ezra Klein should “feel a cold spike of fear” every time he leaves his home and his parents’ synagogue should be burned to the ground.

  19. Some will say that the murderous acts were committed by only a small percentage of an otherwise well-behaved Islamic population within France (or Europe) and so, imply that there is little to be done since these are black swan events.

    Others will counter that though this may be true, nevertheless the perpetrators acted within the protective veil of that broader community, drew inspiration and material sustenance from it, found ideological justification within it and returned to it for solace and approval and that therefore, Islam is in some sense responsible for these acts of murderous rage.

    Which view is correct? Let’s answer that question with a question.

    How will Islamic leaders within Paris specifically (and France and Europe more generally) respond? Will they take a principled stand and speak out against the traitors within their own community? Will they back up their words with action by insisting that Muslims within Paris prove their patriotism by doing everything possible to search out the perpetrators and the terror cells that gave them logistic and ideological support and provide police with information that leads to the criminal’s arrest and prosecution? Will they chide their own people into betraying the fringe elements that were responsible and threaten them with the Islamic equivalent of Hellfire and Damnation if they don’t?

    In short, let them prove where their values really lie. Are they loyal French patriots or Muslims first, last and always? Do they embrace fundamental European concepts of Law or their tribal Islamic identity? This is not a question that can or should be resolved by debate between two westerners who disagree about the essential nature of Islam or its practitioners; rather it is a question that is to be resolved existentially, i.e. by the actual behavior of the Leaders of the European Muslim community.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky

    Will they take a principled stand and speak out against the traitors within their own community?
     
    The principled stand would be to point out that these are false flag attacks, which the linearly knew. They will not take the principled stand.
  20. @Clyde

    The Syrian Civil War was a primarily US sponsored project to weaponize their Islamist lackeys to break up Syria for make benefit of Israel.
     
    Absurd! State Dept and Obama despise Netnayahu. Likud party and Israel. Plus your link says zero about Israel. Now possibly we started in with trying to overthrow Assad because the Saudis and other Sunni oil producers demanded this help, plus they were arming ISIS for quite a while. Plus State hating Putin saw Assad as a Russian stooge.

    Just saying that blame for Syria's present situation lies in the centuries old Sunni-Shiite conflicts and wars. With the US coming down on the Sunni side. With Russia and Iran on the Assad-Alewite side. Alewite Islam is a Shiite offshoot/////

    Double Dealing_____June 14 2014
    America's Allies Are Funding ISIS
    The Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS), now threatening Baghdad, was funded for years by wealthy donors in (ALL ARE SUNNI MUSLIM NATIONS) Kuwait, Qatar, and Saudi Arabia, three U.S. allies that have dual agendas in the war on terror.

    The extremist group that is threatening the existence of the Iraqi state was built and grown for years with the help of elite donors from American supposed allies in the Persian Gulf region. There, the threat of Iran, Assad, and the Sunni-Shiite sectarian war trumps the U.S. goal of stability and moderation in the region.

    It’s an ironic twist, especially for donors in Kuwait (who, to be fair, back a wide variety of militias). ISIS has aligned itself with remnants of the Baathist regime once led by Saddam Hussein. Back in 1990, the U.S. attacked Iraq in order to liberate Kuwait from Hussein’s clutches. Now Kuwait is helping the rise of his successors.

    As ISIS takes over town after town in Iraq, they are acquiring money and supplies including American made vehicles, arms, and ammunition. The group reportedly scored $430 million this week when they looted the main bank in Mosul. They reportedly now have a stream of steady income sources, including from selling oil in the Northern Syrian regions they control, sometimes directly to the Assad regime. ______ http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/06/14/america-s-allies-are-funding-isis.html
     

    Irresponsible journalism at the Center for American Progress. A day before the organization feted Benjamin Netanyahu to try to show the Democratic Party’s support for Israel, its website ThinkProgress ran an article titled, “How The American Religious Right Is Making The Middle East Peace Process Impossible.” The piece argues that rightwing Christian organizations are responsible for the settlements in the West Bank; it shows that some Christian groups support the settlements and all the Republican presidential candidates do too. Sheldon Adelson is only mentioned in passing by reporter Jack Jenkins, though that’s the big prize for the Republican candidates.

    This is happy horseshit and pure political mystification. The Democratic Party is as mixed up with the settlements as anyone else. The Obama administration vetoed a UN Security resolution against the settlements in 2011. It quashed an effort at the Democratic convention in 2012 to highlight the occupation of East Jerusalem. It has done nothing to punish Israel for greatly expanding the settlements over the last eight years. Remember that Bill Clinton ran to George Bush’s right on settlements in 1992 and won the presidency. Some say that Bush’s opposition to the settlements and the Israel lobby cost him his job.

    If the settlements really were a Republican cause, as Think Progress maintains, then it would play out like the abortion issue or the gay rights issue: the Dems could righteously take the leftwing side and rally their base without fear of reprisal– and the middle ground would go along with the Dems because it’s the reasonable position. Same sex marriage and abortion rights are the law of the land. But the Dems don’t take that side, and the policy serves Israeli expansion, because the Dems fear the repercussions inside the Jewish wing of the Democratic Party. Barney Frank saw the settlements firsthand a few years ago and deplored them and was challenged to come out against them, and he refused, his guide Jeff Halper says. Unless you can bring me 5000 Jews in my district who oppose the settlements, it would be political suicide, Frank said then. And that’s the bottom line: the Jewish establishment has refused to condemn the settlements, and the settlements have wide support inside the Jewish community. There’s not a dime’s worth of difference between Sheldon Adelson and Haim Saban; they agree on virtually every issue involving Israel support, and one bankrolls the Republican candidates and the other bankrolls Dems. Saban works with groups that work in the settlements. And Dems will do nothing to alienate Saban and his like. Why isn’t Jack Jenkins investigating Saban’s connections to settlements? (BTW, Barney Frank’s sister Ann Lewis helped censor other writers at CAP who were critical of Israel.)

    This is intellectually irresponsible on the part of CAP, because if you are going to take on the settlement project you have to take on the Israel lobby, whose influence transcends party, as CAP demonstrated for all the world when it sucked up to a rightwing fascistic slaughterous prime minister on Tuesday. The head of CAP gave only lip service to the settlement question in her conversation with Netanyahu, and the first questioner from the audience put forward a neoconservative plan to annex the settlements to Israel that was promptly endorsed by a leading Democratic Jewish publication. There was not a word about settlements in Hillary Clinton’s vow in that same liberal Jewish publication to mend fences with Israel and Netanyahu– and a disavowal of the idea that East Jerusalem is occupied.

    If the Center for American Progress really cares about Middle East peace, then it should educate people about the hateful occupation (which no Palestinian likes, any more than black people liked Jim Crow and slavery, those great precedents) and the Democratic Party’s role in it, and the Jewish establishment’s support for the settlement project. The Center for American Progress reporter Jack Jenkins studied divinity; he knows that his true obligation is to focus on the beam in the Democrats’ eye before he anatomizes the mote in the Republicans’.

    – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/11/settlement-rightwing-christians#sthash.qD4AvJA7.dpuf

    Displacement is a pervasive phenomenon . Blaming other is easy . Blaming Gulf is easy ,blaming Turkey is lot easier .the facts of the matter are this – Evangelics and Arab are junior partner in these two respective games ( like Democrats and Republican both controlled by Zionist)
    It is Isarel who is the senior CEO

    • Replies: @Clyde
    Seems to me you are a typical atheist who has it in for Evangelical Christians. One, because they are Christian. Two, because most support Israel.
    , @Avery
    {..blaming Turkey is lot easier}

    Because it is true.

    Since Day 1 Turkey has been at the spearhead of destroying Syria.
    Main motive: steal more Syrian land.

    Turkey has been arming, training, supporting ISIS terrorists since Day 1.
    Turks organized the chemical attack that killed hundreds of Syrian civilians, in an effort to manufacture an excuse of a "crossed red line" so that NATO could start carpet-bombing SAA.

    Head ISIS supporter and Neo-Ottoman IslamoFascist Erdogan organized two terrorist attacks on Turkey's own citizens: about 200 young Kurds were massacred by Turks/ISIS at two peace rallies in Turkey.

    Of course murdering civilians is nothing new for Uyguroğlar nomad Turks.
    They have been invading others' lands, stealing others' lands and property, and massacring civilians for centuries.
    In fact savage nomadic Islamist Turkic tribes are the precursors of Islamist ISIS terrorists.
    Since about 1000AD.

    Pretty rich for a Turk to rag on everybody else and every other country, while conveniently ignoring his bloody, genocidal Turk kin.

    btw, Türkoğlu: how is your apprenticeship coming along at the Uygur meat processing factory?
    , @geokat62

    Some say that Bush’s opposition to the settlements and the Israel lobby cost him his job.
     
    Forget about some. Even George HW Bush, himself, said it:

    But let’s focus on what matters here. A former President believes that the pro-Israel lobby cost him his job. His son runs for President and is far more responsive than his father was to the Israel lobby.Right there you have a good indication of the power of the lobby. Of course we don’t know what W.’s political calculations were on this issue. But everyone else has a theory about the effect of Papa Bush on W.; this is now mine. W. is a superb politician. He learned political lessons from his dad.

    http://observer.com/2006/07/did-the-first-president-bush-lose-his-job-to-the-israel-lobby/
     
    P.S. Leading members of the George W Bush administration along with Blair and the leading neocons/Israel firsters must be brought to justice. The names of the leading neocon figures are:

    Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Douglas Feith, Lewis Scooter Libby, Michael Ledeen, The Kagan clan, including Victoria Nudelman, The Kristol clan, The Podhoretz clan, John Hagee, Pat Robertson, Elliot Abrams, Eliot A. Cohen, Charles Krauthammer, David Frum, John Bolton, Jennifer Rubin, Joshua Muravchik, Michael Rubin, Daniel Pipes, Marc Grossman, James Woolsey, Michael Chertoff, Rudy Giuliani, Newt Gingrich.
  21. The Soul’s Desert – Robinson Jeffers

    August 30, 1939

    They are warming up the old horrors; and all that they say is echoes of echoes.
    Beware of taking sides; only watch.
    These are not criminals, nor hucksters and little journalists, but the governments
    Of the great nations; men favorably
    Representative of massed humanity. Observe them. Wrath and laughter
    Are quite irrelevant. Clearly it is time
    To become disillusioned, each person to enter his own soul’s desert
    And look for God–having seen man.

    • Replies: @geokat62

    Beware of taking sides; only watch.
     
    Fred, not that you would be interested, but I thought I'd share a personal story with you.

    Many years ago, I was driving along a road and I saw a much larger man about to pulverize a much smaller man. I immediately stopped my car and put myself between the two of them. The much smaller man did not hesitate and took the opportunity to flee immediately. After suffering the expected verbal abuse (like being called a goat... so Rurik is not the first, nor the last) I got back in my car and drove on my merry way.

    I guess this simply demonstrates that I belong to the third of my 3 categories of people:

    1. Those that mostly care about their world
    2. Those that mostly care about the next world; and
    3. Those that mostly care about this world
    , @joe webb
    Robinson Jeffers was a misnthrope, is that the right word.? I live near Monterey and Carmel where he built a stone tower like a medieval castle, small scale, at his home. You can visit them. 1920s

    Jeffers is a strong voice, but unfortunately uninformed by evolutionary thinking, and consequantly an All of Nothing kind of guy.

    I liked his line, I would rather kill a man than a hawk...he had nursed an injured hawk back to health.

    Personally, there are lots of alleged men I would like to kill, our racial enemies, to put it bluntly.

    Joe Webb
  22. @Clyde

    The Syrian Civil War was a primarily US sponsored project to weaponize their Islamist lackeys to break up Syria for make benefit of Israel.
     
    Absurd! State Dept and Obama despise Netnayahu. Likud party and Israel. Plus your link says zero about Israel. Now possibly we started in with trying to overthrow Assad because the Saudis and other Sunni oil producers demanded this help, plus they were arming ISIS for quite a while. Plus State hating Putin saw Assad as a Russian stooge.

    Just saying that blame for Syria's present situation lies in the centuries old Sunni-Shiite conflicts and wars. With the US coming down on the Sunni side. With Russia and Iran on the Assad-Alewite side. Alewite Islam is a Shiite offshoot/////

    Double Dealing_____June 14 2014
    America's Allies Are Funding ISIS
    The Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS), now threatening Baghdad, was funded for years by wealthy donors in (ALL ARE SUNNI MUSLIM NATIONS) Kuwait, Qatar, and Saudi Arabia, three U.S. allies that have dual agendas in the war on terror.

    The extremist group that is threatening the existence of the Iraqi state was built and grown for years with the help of elite donors from American supposed allies in the Persian Gulf region. There, the threat of Iran, Assad, and the Sunni-Shiite sectarian war trumps the U.S. goal of stability and moderation in the region.

    It’s an ironic twist, especially for donors in Kuwait (who, to be fair, back a wide variety of militias). ISIS has aligned itself with remnants of the Baathist regime once led by Saddam Hussein. Back in 1990, the U.S. attacked Iraq in order to liberate Kuwait from Hussein’s clutches. Now Kuwait is helping the rise of his successors.

    As ISIS takes over town after town in Iraq, they are acquiring money and supplies including American made vehicles, arms, and ammunition. The group reportedly scored $430 million this week when they looted the main bank in Mosul. They reportedly now have a stream of steady income sources, including from selling oil in the Northern Syrian regions they control, sometimes directly to the Assad regime. ______ http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/06/14/america-s-allies-are-funding-isis.html
     

    In 2007 AIPAC delegates eagerly and confidently asserted that ” we would do an Iraq on Iran”
    ( http://www.salon.com) proving that they did Iraq and they planned more. For them Syria is the gate to get to Iran Atleast it was until this deal with Iran . They still keep hope alive .

  23. anon • Disclaimer says:

    This problem has been brewing for decades in the western cities as a result of mass immigration and the gradual creation of sharia compliant enclaves, takeover of schools, rape as a weapon of ethnic cleansing etc – all covered up by the media.

    It’s true the neocons have stirred the pot and also true that Hollande, Cameron etc will try and use these attacks as an excuse for a war against Assad but the West was slowly breeding a civil war before that.

    The neocon solution: invade the world, invite the world, is the worst of all.

    The liberal solution: invite the world, ends the same way, just slower.

    The solution is don’t invite the world.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    It's the invade the world that's bankrupted the country.
    , @dfordoom

    The solution is don’t invite the world
     
    .

    The solution is don’t invite the world AND don't invade the world.
  24. How the Middle East disaster has started:

    The US neocons had intentionally removed all clear heads with the knowledge about the Arab world from the position of influence, in order to implement the grandiose Middle East plan of total butchery. A sampling: Mr. Feith in his power of under-secretary of defense for policy in the US government, had been assiduously weeding our Arabists that could be an obstacle to the neocons’ project for the Middle Eastern countries:
    “…career U.S. intelligence officer Patrick Lang recounted a job interview he had with neocon war architect Douglas Feith. Lang, who had previously run the Pentagon’s world-wide spying operations, “was put forward as somebody who would be good at running the Pentagon’s office of special operations and low-intensity warfare, i.e., counterinsurgency.” So he was interviewed by Feith:
    “He was sitting there munching a sandwich while he was talking to me,” Lang recalled, “which I thought was remarkable in itself, but he also had these briefing papers — they always had briefing papers, you know — about me.
    “He’s looking at this stuff, and he says, ‘I’ve heard of you. I heard of you.’
    “He says, ‘Is it really true that you really know the Arabs this well, and that you speak Arabic this well? Is that really true? Is that really true?’
    “And I said, ‘Yeah, that’s really true.’
    “That’s too bad,” Feith said.
    “That was the end of the interview,” Lang said”
    http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2007/05/26/13302/doug-feiths-arabic-problem/

    “Freeze-Out of the Arabists: Neocons isolate State Department experts, with disastrous results.” “In an Administration that penalizes those who see the world as it is versus what the President wishes it to be, it was inevitable that the Near Eastern Bureau would be attacked as an obstacle to the New Crusade.” http://www.thenation.com/article/freeze-out-arabists/

    http://www.thenation.com/article/freeze-out-arabists/
    http://original.antiwar.com/buchanan/2012/05/28/how-bill-kristol-purged-the-arabists/
    http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/1079/cowboys_from_hell

    • Replies: @geokat62
    Excellent references, Annamarina. Thank-you.
  25. @KA
    Irresponsible journalism at the Center for American Progress. A day before the organization feted Benjamin Netanyahu to try to show the Democratic Party’s support for Israel, its website ThinkProgress ran an article titled, “How The American Religious Right Is Making The Middle East Peace Process Impossible.” The piece argues that rightwing Christian organizations are responsible for the settlements in the West Bank; it shows that some Christian groups support the settlements and all the Republican presidential candidates do too. Sheldon Adelson is only mentioned in passing by reporter Jack Jenkins, though that’s the big prize for the Republican candidates.

    This is happy horseshit and pure political mystification. The Democratic Party is as mixed up with the settlements as anyone else. The Obama administration vetoed a UN Security resolution against the settlements in 2011. It quashed an effort at the Democratic convention in 2012 to highlight the occupation of East Jerusalem. It has done nothing to punish Israel for greatly expanding the settlements over the last eight years. Remember that Bill Clinton ran to George Bush’s right on settlements in 1992 and won the presidency. Some say that Bush’s opposition to the settlements and the Israel lobby cost him his job.

    If the settlements really were a Republican cause, as Think Progress maintains, then it would play out like the abortion issue or the gay rights issue: the Dems could righteously take the leftwing side and rally their base without fear of reprisal– and the middle ground would go along with the Dems because it’s the reasonable position. Same sex marriage and abortion rights are the law of the land. But the Dems don’t take that side, and the policy serves Israeli expansion, because the Dems fear the repercussions inside the Jewish wing of the Democratic Party. Barney Frank saw the settlements firsthand a few years ago and deplored them and was challenged to come out against them, and he refused, his guide Jeff Halper says. Unless you can bring me 5000 Jews in my district who oppose the settlements, it would be political suicide, Frank said then. And that’s the bottom line: the Jewish establishment has refused to condemn the settlements, and the settlements have wide support inside the Jewish community. There’s not a dime’s worth of difference between Sheldon Adelson and Haim Saban; they agree on virtually every issue involving Israel support, and one bankrolls the Republican candidates and the other bankrolls Dems. Saban works with groups that work in the settlements. And Dems will do nothing to alienate Saban and his like. Why isn’t Jack Jenkins investigating Saban’s connections to settlements? (BTW, Barney Frank’s sister Ann Lewis helped censor other writers at CAP who were critical of Israel.)

    This is intellectually irresponsible on the part of CAP, because if you are going to take on the settlement project you have to take on the Israel lobby, whose influence transcends party, as CAP demonstrated for all the world when it sucked up to a rightwing fascistic slaughterous prime minister on Tuesday. The head of CAP gave only lip service to the settlement question in her conversation with Netanyahu, and the first questioner from the audience put forward a neoconservative plan to annex the settlements to Israel that was promptly endorsed by a leading Democratic Jewish publication. There was not a word about settlements in Hillary Clinton’s vow in that same liberal Jewish publication to mend fences with Israel and Netanyahu– and a disavowal of the idea that East Jerusalem is occupied.

    If the Center for American Progress really cares about Middle East peace, then it should educate people about the hateful occupation (which no Palestinian likes, any more than black people liked Jim Crow and slavery, those great precedents) and the Democratic Party’s role in it, and the Jewish establishment’s support for the settlement project. The Center for American Progress reporter Jack Jenkins studied divinity; he knows that his true obligation is to focus on the beam in the Democrats’ eye before he anatomizes the mote in the Republicans’.

    - See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/11/settlement-rightwing-christians#sthash.qD4AvJA7.dpuf

    Displacement is a pervasive phenomenon . Blaming other is easy . Blaming Gulf is easy ,blaming Turkey is lot easier .the facts of the matter are this - Evangelics and Arab are junior partner in these two respective games ( like Democrats and Republican both controlled by Zionist)
    It is Isarel who is the senior CEO

    Seems to me you are a typical atheist who has it in for Evangelical Christians. One, because they are Christian. Two, because most support Israel.

    • Replies: @Stan D Mute

    Seems to me you are a typical atheist who has it in for Evangelical Christians. One, because they are Christian. Two, because most support Israel.

     

    Are those not sufficient reasons? How about because they are WEAK coward cuckolds who have sat back and watched while the nation and the West are overrun by third world primitive invaders? Have they defended anyone, including their own families, from the feral negroes and mestizos? Stopped the queers and feminists from rotting the culture? Or are they up to their necks in bringing Africans and Arabs into America's heartland? These cuckolds are willing to fight for Israel but unwilling to fight for America or the West. The Jews who are Zionists are merely supporting their own tribal interests. The cuckold Christians fight for everyone's interest except their own tribe.
    , @schmenz
    I'm not an atheist, Clyde, yet I recognize the horrors that Israel has unleashed in the Middle East, and I believe the Bible-thumpers, aka Christian Zionists, are a serious problem due to their total misunderstanding not only of the Middle East but the Bible as well.

    From the Battle of Lepanto in the 16th century to 1948 Islam was essentially quiescent, other than several territorial disputes, most of them instigated by other nation's imperial interests.

    But in 1948 something changed: the ethnic cleansing of Palestine by Eastern European Jews began, and has been getting worse every year since. When America, England, France, et al started to side with the occupation over the historical inhabitabants the troubles began.
    , @Art
    "One, because they are Christian. Two, because most support Israel."

    No true Christian can support Israeli actions against the Palestinian people.

    Every group has its crazies, its 20% right wing fascist loons.

    The the problem for The Jew is that 80% are right wing fascists
  26. at least the guys in the Pentagon should be realistic and well-informed enough to put the damper on any such adventurist nonsense

    Trouble is, these blokes are hand-picked by the neocons – most of the former dissenters have been weeded out.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    It would take a couple of hours to produce a list of a few thousand people who under no circumstances should be allowed to land or overfly any country which doesn't want to be enslaved.

    Insane McCain and little Linda Graham would head the list.
  27. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    at least the guys in the Pentagon should be realistic and well-informed enough to put the damper on any such adventurist nonsense

    A lot of top U.S. military guys know the insanity of the neo-con position. Just a few days ago Col. Pat Lang (USA, ret., was a top ME analyst at DIA and taught at West Point) posted on his blog:

    The End of History and the American Mind

    At the present moment we have a memorable occasion in which the US refuses to afford Russia the courtesy of considering the merits of its intervention in Syria. In fact, there are unending statements that deny the legitimacy of Russian action in spite of the invitation they were given by the UN recognized government of Syria.
    What is the root of this problem?
    IMO it is the belief resident and widespread in the Borg that history ended a while back and that after the end of the Cold War with the USSR there could be no doubt that the “day ob jubilo” had arrived and the ages long struggle of human tribes, countries and empires was done. What was expected in the Borg was that a New World Order would prevail in which mommy’s rules for playground behavior would rule, somehow. From this Borgian premise proceeds the R2P harpy notion (eagerly supported by the neocons) that the Russians, IS, the jihadis, their Gulfie friends and the Zionists are all just errant children to be brought into line by scolding, small punishments and minimal efforts because, surely, they will understand that the old world has passed away and that this is the first century of the New Age of Man.
    But, the Russians do not understand that and for good reason. They do not believe it because that is all horse shit. This is a cavalry metaphor inherited from my father. Humanity has changed not at all. It is still a “fight for love and glory, a case of do or die” except for those of you who believe that Russia fights for oil under the Golan Heights.
    In fact the Russians are quite sane. It is we Western fools who are collectively mad.

  28. • Replies: @The most deplorable one
    Not to worry. duckduckgo.com found it.
  29. @Clyde

    The Syrian Civil War was a primarily US sponsored project to weaponize their Islamist lackeys to break up Syria for make benefit of Israel.
     
    Absurd! State Dept and Obama despise Netnayahu. Likud party and Israel. Plus your link says zero about Israel. Now possibly we started in with trying to overthrow Assad because the Saudis and other Sunni oil producers demanded this help, plus they were arming ISIS for quite a while. Plus State hating Putin saw Assad as a Russian stooge.

    Just saying that blame for Syria's present situation lies in the centuries old Sunni-Shiite conflicts and wars. With the US coming down on the Sunni side. With Russia and Iran on the Assad-Alewite side. Alewite Islam is a Shiite offshoot/////

    Double Dealing_____June 14 2014
    America's Allies Are Funding ISIS
    The Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS), now threatening Baghdad, was funded for years by wealthy donors in (ALL ARE SUNNI MUSLIM NATIONS) Kuwait, Qatar, and Saudi Arabia, three U.S. allies that have dual agendas in the war on terror.

    The extremist group that is threatening the existence of the Iraqi state was built and grown for years with the help of elite donors from American supposed allies in the Persian Gulf region. There, the threat of Iran, Assad, and the Sunni-Shiite sectarian war trumps the U.S. goal of stability and moderation in the region.

    It’s an ironic twist, especially for donors in Kuwait (who, to be fair, back a wide variety of militias). ISIS has aligned itself with remnants of the Baathist regime once led by Saddam Hussein. Back in 1990, the U.S. attacked Iraq in order to liberate Kuwait from Hussein’s clutches. Now Kuwait is helping the rise of his successors.

    As ISIS takes over town after town in Iraq, they are acquiring money and supplies including American made vehicles, arms, and ammunition. The group reportedly scored $430 million this week when they looted the main bank in Mosul. They reportedly now have a stream of steady income sources, including from selling oil in the Northern Syrian regions they control, sometimes directly to the Assad regime. ______ http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/06/14/america-s-allies-are-funding-isis.html
     

    The Syrian Civil War was a primarily US sponsored project to weaponize their Islamist lackeys to break up Syria for make benefit of Israel.

    Clyde: Absurd!

    Clyde, I once wrote a response to Sherman (who probably sits in the next cubicle from you), and challenged him to refute what M&W wrote about Syria , in their book The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy:

    If there were no Lobby, there would have been no Syria Accountability Act and U.S. policy toward Damascus would have been more in line with the U.S. national interest.

    Here is the complete passage from which this quote was taken:

    Israeli leaders did not push the Bush Administration to put its crosshairs on Syria before March 2003, because they were too busy pushing for war against Iraq. But once Baghdad fell in mid‐April, Sharon and his lieutenants began urging Washington to target Damascus. On April 16, for example, Sharon and Shaul Mofaz, his defense minister, gave high profile interviews in different Israeli newspapers. Sharon, in Yedioth Ahronoth, called for the United States to put “very heavy” pressure on Syria. Mofaz told Ma’ariv that, “We have a long list of issues that we are thinking of demanding of the Syrians and it is appropriate that it should be done through the Americans.” Sharon’s national security advisor, Ephraim Halevy, told a WINEP audience that it was now important for the United States to get rough with Syria, and the Washington Post reported that Israel was “fueling the campaign” against Syria by feeding the United States intelligence reports about the actions of Syrian President Bashar Assad.
    Prominent members of the Lobby made the same arguments after Baghdad fell. Wolfowitz declared that “there has got to be regime change in Syria,” and Richard Perle told a journalist that “We could deliver a short message, a two‐ worded message [to other hostile regimes in the Middle East]: ‘You’re next’.” In early April, WINEP released a bipartisan report stating that Syria “should not miss the message that countries that pursue Saddam’s reckless, irresponsible and defiant behavior could end up sharing his fate.” On April 15, Yossi Klein Halevi wrote a piece in the Los Angeles Times entitled “Next, Turn the Screws on Syria,” while the next day Zev Chafets wrote an article for the New York Daily News entitled “Terror‐Friendly Syria Needs a Change, Too.” Not to be outdone, Lawrence Kaplan wrote in the New Republic on April 21 that Syrian leader Assad was a serious threat to America.
    Back on Capitol Hill, Congressman Eliot Engel (D‐NY) had reintroduced the Syria Accountability and Lebanese Sovereignty Restoration Act on April 12. It threatened sanctions against Syria if it did not withdraw from Lebanon, give up its WMD, and stop supporting terrorism, and it also called for Syria and Lebanon to take concrete steps to make peace with Israel. This legislation was strongly endorsed by the Lobby—especially AIPAC—and “framed,” according to the Jewish Telegraph Agency, “by some of Israel’s best friends in Congress.” It had been on the back burner for some time, largely because the Bush Administration had little enthusiasm for it, but the anti‐Syrian act passed overwhelmingly (398‐4) in the House; 89‐4 in the Senate), and Bush signed it into law on December 12, 2003.
    Yet the Bush Administration was still divided about the wisdom of targeting Syria at this time. Although the neoconservatives were eager to pick a fight with Damascus, the CIA and the State Department were opposed. And even after Bush signed the new law, he emphasized that he would go slowly in implementing it.
    Bush’s ambivalence is understandable. First, the Syrian government had been providing the United States with important intelligence about al Qaeda since 9/11 and had also warned Washington about a planned terrorist attack in the Gulf. Syria had also given CIA interrogators access to Mohammed Zammar, the alleged recruiter of some of the 9/11 hijackers. Targeting the Assad regime would jeopardize these valuable connections, and thus undermine the larger war on terrorism.
    Second, Syria was not on bad terms with Washington before the Iraq war (e.g., it had even voted for U.N. Resolution 1441), and it was no threat to the United States. Playing hardball with Syria would make the United States look like a bully with an insatiable appetite for beating up Arab states. Finally, putting Syria on the American hit list would give Damascus a powerful incentive to cause trouble in Iraq. Even if one wanted to pressure Syria, it made good sense to finish the job in Iraq first.
    Yet Congress insisted on putting the screws to Damascus, largely in response to pressure from Israel officials and pro‐Israel groups like AIPAC. If there were no Lobby, there would have been no Syria Accountability Act and U.S. policy toward Damascus would have been more in line with the U.S. national interest.

    • Replies: @Marais

    “...refute what M&W wrote about Syria , in their book The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy...”
     
    M&W are great, but they don’t really address US motives shorn of Israel. Is the US so slavishly manipulated by AIPAC, or are there US interests that use Israel as a proxy?

    Turn the clock back to late 1991 and the break up of the USSR: a catastrophic threat to the Pentagon budget (Edward Kennedy called for a $210 billion seven-year cut). The first post-USSR Defense Planning Guidance draft came out 18 Feb 1992. Authored by Zalmay Khalizad , it called for robust unilateralism and global military pre-emption. It was toned-down after criticism, but those further up the DoD chain took note: Scooter Libby, Paul Wolfowitz and (most important) Dick Cheney.

    Perle’s ‘Clean Break’ (1996), PNAC (1997), and demands for Iraqi régime change (1998) followed in the Clinton years. Neocon contributions were nurtured by AEI and people like Cheney, then CEO of defense/oil services contractor Halliburton. Many of the same players re-emerged with GWB in 2001.

    Who (Israel/US) was/is using who? Those who can get away with making faulty $100+ million planes and $400,000 pilot helmets, no-bid oil contracts, and other multinationals probably have the lion share of influence. Israel benefits, but it’s along for the ride.

    What’s the plan? It may be an American global retread of Oded Yinon’s 'A Strategy for Israel in the Nineteen Eighties' (Feb 1982): http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/pdf/The%20Zionist%20Plan%20for%20the%20Middle%20East.pdf
  30. @annamaria
    How the Middle East disaster has started:

    The US neocons had intentionally removed all clear heads with the knowledge about the Arab world from the position of influence, in order to implement the grandiose Middle East plan of total butchery. A sampling: Mr. Feith in his power of under-secretary of defense for policy in the US government, had been assiduously weeding our Arabists that could be an obstacle to the neocons' project for the Middle Eastern countries:
    "...career U.S. intelligence officer Patrick Lang recounted a job interview he had with neocon war architect Douglas Feith. Lang, who had previously run the Pentagon’s world-wide spying operations, “was put forward as somebody who would be good at running the Pentagon’s office of special operations and low-intensity warfare, i.e., counterinsurgency.” So he was interviewed by Feith:
    “He was sitting there munching a sandwich while he was talking to me,” Lang recalled, “which I thought was remarkable in itself, but he also had these briefing papers — they always had briefing papers, you know — about me.
    “He’s looking at this stuff, and he says, ‘I’ve heard of you. I heard of you.’
    “He says, ‘Is it really true that you really know the Arabs this well, and that you speak Arabic this well? Is that really true? Is that really true?’
    “And I said, ‘Yeah, that’s really true.’
    “That’s too bad,” Feith said.
    “That was the end of the interview,” Lang said"
    http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2007/05/26/13302/doug-feiths-arabic-problem/

    "Freeze-Out of the Arabists: Neocons isolate State Department experts, with disastrous results." "In an Administration that penalizes those who see the world as it is versus what the President wishes it to be, it was inevitable that the Near Eastern Bureau would be attacked as an obstacle to the New Crusade." http://www.thenation.com/article/freeze-out-arabists/

    http://www.thenation.com/article/freeze-out-arabists/
    http://original.antiwar.com/buchanan/2012/05/28/how-bill-kristol-purged-the-arabists/
    http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/1079/cowboys_from_hell

    Excellent references, Annamarina. Thank-you.

  31. @another fred

    The Soul's Desert - Robinson Jeffers

    August 30, 1939

    They are warming up the old horrors; and all that they say is echoes of echoes.
    Beware of taking sides; only watch.
    These are not criminals, nor hucksters and little journalists, but the governments
    Of the great nations; men favorably
    Representative of massed humanity. Observe them. Wrath and laughter
    Are quite irrelevant. Clearly it is time
    To become disillusioned, each person to enter his own soul's desert
    And look for God--having seen man.
     

    Beware of taking sides; only watch.

    Fred, not that you would be interested, but I thought I’d share a personal story with you.

    Many years ago, I was driving along a road and I saw a much larger man about to pulverize a much smaller man. I immediately stopped my car and put myself between the two of them. The much smaller man did not hesitate and took the opportunity to flee immediately. After suffering the expected verbal abuse (like being called a goat… so Rurik is not the first, nor the last) I got back in my car and drove on my merry way.

    I guess this simply demonstrates that I belong to the third of my 3 categories of people:

    1. Those that mostly care about their world
    2. Those that mostly care about the next world; and
    3. Those that mostly care about this world

    • Replies: @Ronald Thomas West
    When patting yourself on the back geokat, your comment puts you in category 1
    , @Rurik

    called a goat… so Rurik is not the first
     
    Hey, that was a long time ago!

    and the only reason I said that was because you were trying to suggest- with a straight face- that World Trade Center building seven had imploded into its basement at free-fall speed due to a couple of minor office fires. You said something like 'it's too bad the sprinklers failed to work or that building would still be standing'. Remember that?

    I was convinced at the time that you were being less than sincere. I did not think it was possible for someone to actually believe that office fires could cause an obvious controlled demolition of a modern steel-frame building.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mamvq7LWqRU

    I still find it almost impossible to believe. If you could believe that all the structural steel that was holding that building up vaporized instantly due to office fires, then I suppose you'll believe anything.

    but then there are people who believe that they didn't provide any evidence of Osama's corpse due to their reverent sensitivity to the sensibilities of Muslims

    there are people who believe that we can't be allowed to see the video's of the jet that hit the Pentagon because it would be so hurtful that it would threaten national security

    there are people who believe that foisting and funding massive immigration of hostile Muslims into Europe will be a very good thing because "diversity is our strength!" and we all need to "celebrate multiculturalism'

    in short, it seems there are people who will believe virtually anything, no matter how brutally idiotic or patently insane. So since apparently you weren't being dishonest when you made that quip about the fire sprinklers in building seven, (as I thought you were being), please allow me to apologize for calling you 'goat'. It was ill-mannered of me to do so, since you were apparently (if astonishingly) being sincere. Being staggeringly and incomprehensibly gullible (as opposed to being an apologist for murderers) doesn't make someone a bad person.
    , @Jonathan Revusky

    ... I belong to the third of my 3 categories of people...
     
    Or in short: "I'm a wonderful human being. What? You don't believe me? But that makes no sense! I can prove it to you! Just think about it... could such a wonderful human being as I possibly be telling you a lie?"
  32. The “liveleak” video that was posted here was also up on Youtube on the 11th of November, it was already taken down by the 13th. I wish I had copied it to my hard drive as liveleak provides no way (that I can see) to download this video, which is a shame. Moral of the story; when you see something like this posted on Youtube, copy it to your hard drive immediately. That way, if you are so inclined, you can re-upload it to Youtube as soon as they take it down. BTW; this video got over 1 million views in the 3 days that it was up, which says a lot about why they took it down as fast as they noticed it.

  33. Twitter has got to be the greatest enemy of human achievement and reason that has ever been provided to the turbulent and disturbed idiocy of the group “mind”.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    "Twitter has got to be the greatest enemy of human achievement and reason that has ever been provided to the turbulent and disturbed idiocy of the group “mind”."

    Alternately there is the view that it is the single greatest, most widespread tool ever to enable morons to self-identify.

    How can it be not be appreciated by sane men of good taste?
  34. Good piece.

    “France can now use NATO’s Charter to mobilize it on Syria and use this outrage as an excuse to confront Russia on Syria.”

    Particularly comical to see all the pathetic whining about “acts of war” and the pretence that a NATO Charter response would be appropriate. Have these halfwits not noticed that France has been bombing IS in Iraq since September 2014?

    So don’t be shamed by traditional social conventions about avoiding making political points out of respect for the dead. Like it or not but the information age and the 24 hour news cycle have made this genteel habit obsolete and indeed, maladaptive.

    Sadly you are probably correct in that.

    • Replies: @annamaria
    Something new about the downed Russian airplane in Sina:
    http://www.voltairenet.org/article189255.html
  35. @geokat62

    Beware of taking sides; only watch.
     
    Fred, not that you would be interested, but I thought I'd share a personal story with you.

    Many years ago, I was driving along a road and I saw a much larger man about to pulverize a much smaller man. I immediately stopped my car and put myself between the two of them. The much smaller man did not hesitate and took the opportunity to flee immediately. After suffering the expected verbal abuse (like being called a goat... so Rurik is not the first, nor the last) I got back in my car and drove on my merry way.

    I guess this simply demonstrates that I belong to the third of my 3 categories of people:

    1. Those that mostly care about their world
    2. Those that mostly care about the next world; and
    3. Those that mostly care about this world

    When patting yourself on the back geokat, your comment puts you in category 1

  36. @KA
    Irresponsible journalism at the Center for American Progress. A day before the organization feted Benjamin Netanyahu to try to show the Democratic Party’s support for Israel, its website ThinkProgress ran an article titled, “How The American Religious Right Is Making The Middle East Peace Process Impossible.” The piece argues that rightwing Christian organizations are responsible for the settlements in the West Bank; it shows that some Christian groups support the settlements and all the Republican presidential candidates do too. Sheldon Adelson is only mentioned in passing by reporter Jack Jenkins, though that’s the big prize for the Republican candidates.

    This is happy horseshit and pure political mystification. The Democratic Party is as mixed up with the settlements as anyone else. The Obama administration vetoed a UN Security resolution against the settlements in 2011. It quashed an effort at the Democratic convention in 2012 to highlight the occupation of East Jerusalem. It has done nothing to punish Israel for greatly expanding the settlements over the last eight years. Remember that Bill Clinton ran to George Bush’s right on settlements in 1992 and won the presidency. Some say that Bush’s opposition to the settlements and the Israel lobby cost him his job.

    If the settlements really were a Republican cause, as Think Progress maintains, then it would play out like the abortion issue or the gay rights issue: the Dems could righteously take the leftwing side and rally their base without fear of reprisal– and the middle ground would go along with the Dems because it’s the reasonable position. Same sex marriage and abortion rights are the law of the land. But the Dems don’t take that side, and the policy serves Israeli expansion, because the Dems fear the repercussions inside the Jewish wing of the Democratic Party. Barney Frank saw the settlements firsthand a few years ago and deplored them and was challenged to come out against them, and he refused, his guide Jeff Halper says. Unless you can bring me 5000 Jews in my district who oppose the settlements, it would be political suicide, Frank said then. And that’s the bottom line: the Jewish establishment has refused to condemn the settlements, and the settlements have wide support inside the Jewish community. There’s not a dime’s worth of difference between Sheldon Adelson and Haim Saban; they agree on virtually every issue involving Israel support, and one bankrolls the Republican candidates and the other bankrolls Dems. Saban works with groups that work in the settlements. And Dems will do nothing to alienate Saban and his like. Why isn’t Jack Jenkins investigating Saban’s connections to settlements? (BTW, Barney Frank’s sister Ann Lewis helped censor other writers at CAP who were critical of Israel.)

    This is intellectually irresponsible on the part of CAP, because if you are going to take on the settlement project you have to take on the Israel lobby, whose influence transcends party, as CAP demonstrated for all the world when it sucked up to a rightwing fascistic slaughterous prime minister on Tuesday. The head of CAP gave only lip service to the settlement question in her conversation with Netanyahu, and the first questioner from the audience put forward a neoconservative plan to annex the settlements to Israel that was promptly endorsed by a leading Democratic Jewish publication. There was not a word about settlements in Hillary Clinton’s vow in that same liberal Jewish publication to mend fences with Israel and Netanyahu– and a disavowal of the idea that East Jerusalem is occupied.

    If the Center for American Progress really cares about Middle East peace, then it should educate people about the hateful occupation (which no Palestinian likes, any more than black people liked Jim Crow and slavery, those great precedents) and the Democratic Party’s role in it, and the Jewish establishment’s support for the settlement project. The Center for American Progress reporter Jack Jenkins studied divinity; he knows that his true obligation is to focus on the beam in the Democrats’ eye before he anatomizes the mote in the Republicans’.

    - See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/11/settlement-rightwing-christians#sthash.qD4AvJA7.dpuf

    Displacement is a pervasive phenomenon . Blaming other is easy . Blaming Gulf is easy ,blaming Turkey is lot easier .the facts of the matter are this - Evangelics and Arab are junior partner in these two respective games ( like Democrats and Republican both controlled by Zionist)
    It is Isarel who is the senior CEO

    {..blaming Turkey is lot easier}

    Because it is true.

    Since Day 1 Turkey has been at the spearhead of destroying Syria.
    Main motive: steal more Syrian land.

    Turkey has been arming, training, supporting ISIS terrorists since Day 1.
    Turks organized the chemical attack that killed hundreds of Syrian civilians, in an effort to manufacture an excuse of a “crossed red line” so that NATO could start carpet-bombing SAA.

    Head ISIS supporter and Neo-Ottoman IslamoFascist Erdogan organized two terrorist attacks on Turkey’s own citizens: about 200 young Kurds were massacred by Turks/ISIS at two peace rallies in Turkey.

    Of course murdering civilians is nothing new for Uyguroğlar nomad Turks.
    They have been invading others’ lands, stealing others’ lands and property, and massacring civilians for centuries.
    In fact savage nomadic Islamist Turkic tribes are the precursors of Islamist ISIS terrorists.
    Since about 1000AD.

    Pretty rich for a Turk to rag on everybody else and every other country, while conveniently ignoring his bloody, genocidal Turk kin.

    btw, Türkoğlu: how is your apprenticeship coming along at the Uygur meat processing factory?

  37. Here is a link to an article by “The Saker” that underscores my comment above;
    http://thesaker.is/a-warning-about-the-paris-terror-attacks/

    Saker states that this attack in Paris gives NATO the legal ability to intervene in Syria. Hardly a surprise then that France’s only carrier set sail for the Middle East (as Saker says, presumably for Syria). By the way, one of the attackers shouted “for Syria” before attacking and of course, a Syrian passport was conveniently found at the scene of the Paris attack (shades of Charly Hebdo!) . Yes, this event has “NeoCon false-flag” written all over it and it even uses the same tired old script.

  38. @Jim Christian
    We got blown up in Boston by Muslims we support in this city the same way France got blown up by the Muslims they support in Paris. There is no yet, it's already happened and they're still here plotting the next B/S stunt. They are out there preparing. And there isn't a thing we can do about it because not only aren't we getting Muslims out, we're bring more in. Already the liberals are warning the racists like me not to point out the religion of peace as a factor even though the religion of peace claims credit. See, to liberals, it's just that bad-boy 1% of Muslims causing all the trouble. If only we could just be tolerant they would love us.

    We have to get used to the idea that until we surrender the country to them, we have to get blown up once in awhile. These are simple things. Paris will surrender, the French will leave Paris to Muslims one day. Muslims are willing to wipe us out, we are not willing to wipe them out. Strongman wins, checkmate and they aren't interested in the feminist multiculturalism of the West except for how easy it makes their "work". How's that feminist multi-cultural thing working, are we ready to abandon that? Until we do, they're going to rack up the "wins".

    We're surrendering our culture and country to them. It's not a Democrat thing it's white guilt. The French? They don't have to stomach to fight back any more than we do. If they did, they would have flushed Muslims out of their country. No, instead, there will be a migration out of Paris the same way there has been a migration of whites out of Detroit, DC, Baltimore, Atlanta, etc. We abandon our cities, we don't fight back. It's a surrender. Pretty simple, actually. Different cultures take over the cities here from the culture that will take over Paris, London and the rest over there in Europe, but cultures aside, it's the descendants of the same African continent. Simple Demographics and it has nothing to do with Democrats. It has to do with Culture vs. Culture. And ours is weaker than theirs. Until I see evidence to the contrary, this will not change. Perhaps Islam and Hispanics will wage war for supremacy, I don't know. It won't be whites and feminists, that's certain

    I see no hope, only a slightly different time line between the US and Europe, although if we import our enemy in greater numbers, we shorten the time line to surrender. But we aren't going to wage war on our own soil. They are willing, we are not. Strong culture wins. Bye bye, lights out.

    It has to do with Culture vs. Culture. And ours is weaker than theirs. Until I see evidence to the contrary, this will not change.

    More to the point, it’s MEN. White men are completely demoralized. Look at the full Yuri Bezmenov interview (clip included in video above). This all began as a Soviet effort to demoralize the West. It worked. Our left is multicultural socialist and our right is cuckold fetishist. None will lift a finger to defend our most important asset, our women and children, from the invading Islamists and Africans. 65 years ago, in 1950, white western men would have burned the Islamist areas to the ground and expelled every last one of them. Today, they are beaten. Beaten by communist inspired feminism, queers, and negro lovers. They’ve been forbidden from speaking truth for at least forty years. Thus the “men” who should do the defending are all feminized twats who cry at a skinned knee or perceived microagression toward a thug illiterate negro. They have no idea what competition is, they’re all “winners,” and unable to defend themselves let alone their wives, daughters, sisters, and mothers. In fact, they look to these women to defend them!

    The white MAN has been dead for two generations. Where isolated pockets of his race remain, in rural and exurban areas, he is shooting his guns at trees, crashing his motorcycles, and avoiding contact with the society which hates him. It is over for him. That’s the irony, that the USSR won even as it collapsed in ruin.

    • Replies: @annamaria
    "Today, they are beaten. Beaten by communist inspired feminism, queers, and negro lovers. They’ve been forbidden from speaking truth for at least forty years... The white MAN has been dead for two generations. "

    Do you mean the Bushes, Cheneys, Gingriches, Krystols, and Wolfowitzes of the US empire? You seriously think that the "communist" Bush had conspired with the "communist" Cheney (and was ideologically armed by the "communist" evangelicals and Zionists) to loot the US treasury and enrich the war profiteers of all kind (including themselves) because they were demoralized by the (dysfunctional) USSR? Nobody forced Bush to become a deserted and liar. Nobody forced Cheney to become a 5-defferal war-monger. It was on the Bush&Cheney watch that the illegal, ruinous wars began, the financial sector robbed the country dry, and the American youth went to the Middle East to comfort the Zionists and oilmen - and to lose their limbs and lives for this comfort.
    , @Seraphim
    @This all began as a Soviet effort to demoralize the West. It worked. Our left is multicultural socialist and our right is cuckold fetishist.

    There is a nuance. The multicultural left descend from Trotskyism. The cuckold right are the neo-cons who descend from...Trotskyism. You can hardly win.
  39. Indeed, given the trends towards defining Islamic terrorism as “anti-Islamic activity,”

    No true Scotsman Muslim.

  40. Ooops! sorry, my 2nd post submission was meant for another website.

  41. This is a continuing racist attack on the European indigenous population.

    And supremacist Jews will continue to demand massive immigration into Europe.

    Jews Demand Open Borders, But Use DNA to Keep Israel Racially Pure
    http://newobserveronline.com/jews-demand-open-borders-for-usa-but-use-dna-to-keep-israel-racially-pure/

    http://i2.wp.com/newobserveronline.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Israel_wall.jpg?resize=580%2C363

    Netanyahu Demands Jews-Only State—So Why do America’s Jews Support “Open Borders”
    http://newobserveronline.com/netanyahu-demands-jews-only-state-so-why-do-americas-jews-support-open-borders-for-the-us/

    German People Don’t Want the Invasion, Traitorous Politicians Admit as Poll Shows 71% Opposition
    http://newobserveronline.com/german-people-dont-want-the-invasion-traitorous-politicians-admit-as-poll-shows-71-opposition/

    German Girls Must Cover Arms and Legs to Appease Syrian “Refugees”
    http://newobserveronline.com/german-girls-must-cover-arms-and-legs-to-appease-syrian-refugees/

    Nonwhite Invader Violence Swamping Germany, Police Reports Reveal
    http://newobserveronline.com/nonwhite-invader-violence-swamping-germany-police-reports-reveal/

  42. Priss Factor [AKA "The Priss Factory"] says: • Website

    Winner Europeans and Loser Europeans seem to have their own reasons for being pro-diversity.

    Loser-Europeans want easy moral credit by identifying with the Wretched of the Earth against Winner Europeans. This is especially true of Italians, Greeks, Spanish, and Irish(whose nationalism became defined by resistance the greatest winner Europeans of them all, the Brits).

    It’s like all those Spaghetti Westerns where Mexicans are often associated with Italians(especially Southern Italians) while gringos are equated with Germans.
    BULLET FOR THE GENERAL is especially like this.
    Pontecorvo made favorable films about Algerians and blacks of West Indies resisting white imperialism.
    Since loser-Europeans tended to be swarthier or poorer than Winner-Europeans, they sought easy moral credit by siding with darkies around the world under the thumb of winner-European imperialists/capitalists.

    But winner-Europeans have their own reason for promoting diversity. Feeling more advanced, ‘evolved’, and ideologically sincere, they want to appear purer in their commitment to embracing diversity. This is especially true of Swedes and now Merkel caught this idiot puritanical bug as well.

    As far as the winner-Europeans are concerned, the loser-Europeans talk the talk about ‘diversity’ but are often too hostile, tribal, crude, and corrupt to truly embrace and implement the diversity agenda.
    In contrast, the well-ordered and efficient winner-Europeans shall be far more effective in indoctrinating everyone from cradle into embracing the moral necessity of diversity. And no nation has taken this further than Sweden, which considers itself a ‘moral superpower’.

    France is an odd case as it is one of a greatest winner-European nations but also a big loser-European nation. It has a grand and glorious history. But Napoleon got whupped bad in the end. And new Germany defeated France easily under Bismarck. And France just eked out victory in WWI thanks to help of Russia, UK, and US. And it got clobbered in WWII. It was saved by US and then lost its empire and then got overshadowed by US and even UK. Today, it is just a vassal of Jewish-American Global Order.
    Arrogance of superiority and resentment of inferiority define France, and so France has both loser-European mentality and winner-European mentality when it comes to the issue of diversity.

    French promotes diversity to say to nations like Germany, ‘we are less racist and more diverse than you.’ But it is also an act of atonement for past ‘racism-imperialism’. But it is also an act of neo-arrogance, a means to make France a mini-version of the empire that the French once had. Since French can no longer rule the world, they have decided to turn France into a mini-model of the world.

    But that is not how a nation works. Empires are inherently unstable, so a nation that has been empirized will be unstable. And we are seeing it.

  43. @Clyde
    Seems to me you are a typical atheist who has it in for Evangelical Christians. One, because they are Christian. Two, because most support Israel.

    Seems to me you are a typical atheist who has it in for Evangelical Christians. One, because they are Christian. Two, because most support Israel.

    Are those not sufficient reasons? How about because they are WEAK coward cuckolds who have sat back and watched while the nation and the West are overrun by third world primitive invaders? Have they defended anyone, including their own families, from the feral negroes and mestizos? Stopped the queers and feminists from rotting the culture? Or are they up to their necks in bringing Africans and Arabs into America’s heartland? These cuckolds are willing to fight for Israel but unwilling to fight for America or the West. The Jews who are Zionists are merely supporting their own tribal interests. The cuckold Christians fight for everyone’s interest except their own tribe.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    The Evangelicals were a lot more muscular in Jerry Falwell's era. Some have become wimpy the way you describe. Same as the Mormons who used to be very conservative and were known for their rock ribbed Republicanism 50 years ago. I have even heard of Evangelicals who have bought into global warming and will support the Democrats on that nonsense.
  44. @Stan D Mute

    It has to do with Culture vs. Culture. And ours is weaker than theirs. Until I see evidence to the contrary, this will not change.
     
    More to the point, it's MEN. White men are completely demoralized. Look at the full Yuri Bezmenov interview (clip included in video above). This all began as a Soviet effort to demoralize the West. It worked. Our left is multicultural socialist and our right is cuckold fetishist. None will lift a finger to defend our most important asset, our women and children, from the invading Islamists and Africans. 65 years ago, in 1950, white western men would have burned the Islamist areas to the ground and expelled every last one of them. Today, they are beaten. Beaten by communist inspired feminism, queers, and negro lovers. They've been forbidden from speaking truth for at least forty years. Thus the "men" who should do the defending are all feminized twats who cry at a skinned knee or perceived microagression toward a thug illiterate negro. They have no idea what competition is, they're all "winners," and unable to defend themselves let alone their wives, daughters, sisters, and mothers. In fact, they look to these women to defend them!

    The white MAN has been dead for two generations. Where isolated pockets of his race remain, in rural and exurban areas, he is shooting his guns at trees, crashing his motorcycles, and avoiding contact with the society which hates him. It is over for him. That's the irony, that the USSR won even as it collapsed in ruin.

    “Today, they are beaten. Beaten by communist inspired feminism, queers, and negro lovers. They’ve been forbidden from speaking truth for at least forty years… The white MAN has been dead for two generations. ”

    Do you mean the Bushes, Cheneys, Gingriches, Krystols, and Wolfowitzes of the US empire? You seriously think that the “communist” Bush had conspired with the “communist” Cheney (and was ideologically armed by the “communist” evangelicals and Zionists) to loot the US treasury and enrich the war profiteers of all kind (including themselves) because they were demoralized by the (dysfunctional) USSR? Nobody forced Bush to become a deserted and liar. Nobody forced Cheney to become a 5-defferal war-monger. It was on the Bush&Cheney watch that the illegal, ruinous wars began, the financial sector robbed the country dry, and the American youth went to the Middle East to comfort the Zionists and oilmen – and to lose their limbs and lives for this comfort.

  45. I don’t believe this was a conspiracy by jews, it was more than likely some angry Muslims. However I have zero doubt that the jews and their puppet politicians in France and the other cuckistans will use this as an excuse to attack Syria.

    It always amazes that all the respectable mainstream outlets think sending aircraft carriers to the middle east is somehow supposed to counter homegrown terrorists that were allowed in by their open borders ideology. Yet this latest event is exactly as predicted, do nothing and ask nothing about their camp of the saints politics, instead bomb some country and this will make people think it will solve something.

  46. @Randal
    Good piece.

    "France can now use NATO's Charter to mobilize it on Syria and use this outrage as an excuse to confront Russia on Syria."
     
    Particularly comical to see all the pathetic whining about "acts of war" and the pretence that a NATO Charter response would be appropriate. Have these halfwits not noticed that France has been bombing IS in Iraq since September 2014?

    So don’t be shamed by traditional social conventions about avoiding making political points out of respect for the dead. Like it or not but the information age and the 24 hour news cycle have made this genteel habit obsolete and indeed, maladaptive.
     
    Sadly you are probably correct in that.

    Something new about the downed Russian airplane in Sina:
    http://www.voltairenet.org/article189255.html

  47. Priss Factor [AKA "The Priss Factory"] says: • Website

    It’s been said that the reason why the West made greater progress than the Muslim World is because the West went through the Renaissance whereas the Muslim World didn’t. It’s been said that Islamic culture held back freedom of thought and discourse.

    But here’s one big problem. The Byzantine Civilization. The Greek-led Byzantine civilization was Christian. Also, unlike Western Europe that lost the culture of antiquity due to Germanic Barbarian Invasions, Byzantine civilization survived and preserved its memory of the classical past.

    Then, why did the Byzantines fail to make the kind of progress that Western Europe did? Why did Western Europe that came under barbarian rule eventually grow richer and stronger whereas the Byzantines, which preserved the classical heritage, grow weaker and weaker, eventually being invaded by Venetians and then by the Ottomans?

    One great result of the Germanic barbarian invasions was that it stopped the Roman agenda of diversity-propagating all over Europe. The classical dream of the original EU as spearheaded by the Ancient Romans was to racially muddy all of Europe. Romans brought slaves and merchants and workers from all over the world—Africa and Near East—and sought to spread them all over Europe. Romans conquered much of Northern Europe and built roads that would have connected Cairo and Damascus to Paris and London(whatever they may have been called back then). Had the Roman Empire not been brought down, European race might have been muddied into something like North Africans long long ago.

    But the white Germanic Barbarians destroyed the imperialistic Romans, and thus they racially saved Europe.
    And that kept Western Europe white. Of course, there were incursions into Southern Italy and Spain/Portugal by the Moors and other swarthy folks later on. And Russians fell under Mongol yoke and Greeks came under Ottoman Rule.
    But the heart of Western Europe remained white.

    Another great thing for the white race was the arrival of Muhammad and the spread of Islam. As a result, Christianity came under the challenge of non-white Muslims. Mongol Tatars turned Islamic. And all of Near East and North African came under Muslim rule.
    If all such non-white peoples had been converted to Christianity(and had Islam never appeared on the scene), it’s possible that the Catholic Church back then(as it tries to do today) might have sought to create a world empire defined by faith than by race.

    If indeed faith in Jesus should be the prime allegiance for a people, then white Europeans should feel as brothers with yellow Christians, brown Christians, and black Christians. But thankfully, Muhammad came along and created a new faith that won the hearts and minds of non-whites all over.
    So, Christianity became the defacto the white religion and Islam became defacto the swarthy/black religion. Of course, there were white Muslims and non-white Christians, but Europe became predominantly Christian whereas the Near East, Central Asia(ruled by Mongols and Turkmens), and North Africa became predominantly Muslim. The Islamization of the world outside Europe made white Europeans more race-conscious as Christianity became synonymous with defending(and later spreading) white civilization. But this would not have been the case if there had been no Islam and if all of North Africa and Near East had become Christian. It’s possible that the Catholic Church might have sided with non-white Catholics against European Protestants. After all, there were times when Europeans even allied with Muslims against fellow Christians. This would have been even more likely if the Middle East and North Africa had turned Christian.

    Perhaps, one of the problems of the Byzantines was racial. Since they ruled over much of the Near East, they often rubbed shoulders with less intelligent non-whites. So, there may have been less intellectual firepower regardless of whether the people there were Christian or Muslim. After all, even secular Arab nations haven’t been able to achieve much in the 20th century. Arab IQ is simply lower, and the Byzantine empire ruled over too many not-too-bright people. So, the problem could have been racial than cultural/religious. In contrast, Western Europe had more high-IQ people. This isn’t to discount the power of culture which is important, but we shouldn’t discount the power of race and biology.

    Another reason why the Byzantines might have faltered and declined is because their civilizational continuity led to loss of vigor, to boredom and apathy. Paradoxically, it may have grown weaker in the long run(when compared to Western Europe that fell to Germanic barbarians) because it remained intact as a civilization.
    Sometimes, a thing has to be rediscovered to spark curiosity and imagination. The Renaissance had a powerful impact on the West cuz the old was made ‘new’ again. It was reinvigorated as something to fire up the imagination again.
    It’s a tragedy to lose one’s heritage and past, but there is also the mythic excitement of rediscovering it again through chance and imagination. The Renaissance wasn’t just an imitation of the rediscovered past but an inspired act of using its fragments—as too much of it had been lost forever—to envision something even greater and grander and richer.

    So, the lesson for the Alt Right shouldn’t just be heritage and tradition. It needs to be the power to re-imagine the past and its lessons in a spirit of renewed vigor. It’s like sticking with the GOP is like trying to keep the Byzantine civilization going. It has lost its vigor. It’s about the likes of George Will and Bill O’Reilly arguing over Reagan’s mental health. It’s like Soviets in the 80s still trying to keep up the holy myth of Lenin that had turned into a mummy.

    It would be stupid and crazy for a people to reject their own heritage. But mere clinging to heritage leads to dissipation, boredom, and enervation. The past must be retold and re-imagined and reinvigorated to inspire new visions of the future.
    This is why Jews win. They use Hollywood and other industries to re-imagine and re-create the past in their own inspired manner(that is good for their power but deadly to their enemies, the white race).
    With a culture of reinvigoration, one’s culture and identity turn into museum pieces, into mummies.

    • Replies: @Mac Chiavelli
    You have clearly read some history, but you choose to ignore inconvenient facts and draw some fanciful conclusions to support your pet peeves and even some delusional and scientifically dubious claims.

    Firstly: you seem to think that races just happened to have magically appeared with whatever skin colour they have, ab inicio? You do realize that we ALL share a common ancestor around 200 generations ago... even the rat population in my hometown has, scientifically studied and proven, more genetic variety than the difference in mine, a very mixed but caucasian male, and an aboriginal male whose ancestors arrived in australia 50,000 years ago...so yeah, lets revel in our uniqueness, a true fucking unique and special snowflake indeed.

    secondly, and this annoys me even more, you do know that untill the mongol Khans and the Amir Timur of the turc nomads destroyed close to 3-5million people and their uncountable achievements such as scientific progress in mathematics, medicine, astronomy, construction, chemistry and physics, your ancestors were reverting to lives far preceeding the graeco-roman world, marvelling at the structures left behind, yet unable to even fathom how to keep them from falling to further ruin. It took them 1000 years to really achieve similar parity to what they had had, and only the destruction of these civilizations and the subsequent flight of knowledge to places like southern europe and timbuktu allowed the renaissance to end. Yes ofcouse its never as simple as that, as there had to be other factors present as well to kickstart this renaissance you speak about, and I dont dispute that it didnt happen, but i certainly do say that your whole argument with that bs iq difference and other eugenics bs, is flawed and that your conclusions are ignorant of actual history and absent many balancing facts.

    what started out well, turned out such a disappointment. Pathetic.
  48. @geokat62

    The Syrian Civil War was a primarily US sponsored project to weaponize their Islamist lackeys to break up Syria for make benefit of Israel.
     
    Clyde: Absurd!

    Clyde, I once wrote a response to Sherman (who probably sits in the next cubicle from you), and challenged him to refute what M&W wrote about Syria , in their book The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy:

    If there were no Lobby, there would have been no Syria Accountability Act and U.S. policy toward Damascus would have been more in line with the U.S. national interest.
     
    Here is the complete passage from which this quote was taken:

    Israeli leaders did not push the Bush Administration to put its crosshairs on Syria before March 2003, because they were too busy pushing for war against Iraq. But once Baghdad fell in mid‐April, Sharon and his lieutenants began urging Washington to target Damascus. On April 16, for example, Sharon and Shaul Mofaz, his defense minister, gave high profile interviews in different Israeli newspapers. Sharon, in Yedioth Ahronoth, called for the United States to put “very heavy” pressure on Syria. Mofaz told Ma’ariv that, “We have a long list of issues that we are thinking of demanding of the Syrians and it is appropriate that it should be done through the Americans.” Sharon’s national security advisor, Ephraim Halevy, told a WINEP audience that it was now important for the United States to get rough with Syria, and the Washington Post reported that Israel was “fueling the campaign” against Syria by feeding the United States intelligence reports about the actions of Syrian President Bashar Assad.
    Prominent members of the Lobby made the same arguments after Baghdad fell. Wolfowitz declared that “there has got to be regime change in Syria,” and Richard Perle told a journalist that “We could deliver a short message, a two‐ worded message [to other hostile regimes in the Middle East]: ‘You’re next’.” In early April, WINEP released a bipartisan report stating that Syria “should not miss the message that countries that pursue Saddam’s reckless, irresponsible and defiant behavior could end up sharing his fate.” On April 15, Yossi Klein Halevi wrote a piece in the Los Angeles Times entitled “Next, Turn the Screws on Syria,” while the next day Zev Chafets wrote an article for the New York Daily News entitled “Terror‐Friendly Syria Needs a Change, Too.” Not to be outdone, Lawrence Kaplan wrote in the New Republic on April 21 that Syrian leader Assad was a serious threat to America.
    Back on Capitol Hill, Congressman Eliot Engel (D‐NY) had reintroduced the Syria Accountability and Lebanese Sovereignty Restoration Act on April 12. It threatened sanctions against Syria if it did not withdraw from Lebanon, give up its WMD, and stop supporting terrorism, and it also called for Syria and Lebanon to take concrete steps to make peace with Israel. This legislation was strongly endorsed by the Lobby—especially AIPAC—and “framed,” according to the Jewish Telegraph Agency, “by some of Israel’s best friends in Congress.” It had been on the back burner for some time, largely because the Bush Administration had little enthusiasm for it, but the anti‐Syrian act passed overwhelmingly (398‐4) in the House; 89‐4 in the Senate), and Bush signed it into law on December 12, 2003.
    Yet the Bush Administration was still divided about the wisdom of targeting Syria at this time. Although the neoconservatives were eager to pick a fight with Damascus, the CIA and the State Department were opposed. And even after Bush signed the new law, he emphasized that he would go slowly in implementing it.
    Bush’s ambivalence is understandable. First, the Syrian government had been providing the United States with important intelligence about al Qaeda since 9/11 and had also warned Washington about a planned terrorist attack in the Gulf. Syria had also given CIA interrogators access to Mohammed Zammar, the alleged recruiter of some of the 9/11 hijackers. Targeting the Assad regime would jeopardize these valuable connections, and thus undermine the larger war on terrorism.
    Second, Syria was not on bad terms with Washington before the Iraq war (e.g., it had even voted for U.N. Resolution 1441), and it was no threat to the United States. Playing hardball with Syria would make the United States look like a bully with an insatiable appetite for beating up Arab states. Finally, putting Syria on the American hit list would give Damascus a powerful incentive to cause trouble in Iraq. Even if one wanted to pressure Syria, it made good sense to finish the job in Iraq first.
    Yet Congress insisted on putting the screws to Damascus, largely in response to pressure from Israel officials and pro‐Israel groups like AIPAC. If there were no Lobby, there would have been no Syria Accountability Act and U.S. policy toward Damascus would have been more in line with the U.S. national interest.
     

    “…refute what M&W wrote about Syria , in their book The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy…”

    M&W are great, but they don’t really address US motives shorn of Israel. Is the US so slavishly manipulated by AIPAC, or are there US interests that use Israel as a proxy?

    Turn the clock back to late 1991 and the break up of the USSR: a catastrophic threat to the Pentagon budget (Edward Kennedy called for a $210 billion seven-year cut). The first post-USSR Defense Planning Guidance draft came out 18 Feb 1992. Authored by Zalmay Khalizad , it called for robust unilateralism and global military pre-emption. It was toned-down after criticism, but those further up the DoD chain took note: Scooter Libby, Paul Wolfowitz and (most important) Dick Cheney.

    Perle’s ‘Clean Break’ (1996), PNAC (1997), and demands for Iraqi régime change (1998) followed in the Clinton years. Neocon contributions were nurtured by AEI and people like Cheney, then CEO of defense/oil services contractor Halliburton. Many of the same players re-emerged with GWB in 2001.

    Who (Israel/US) was/is using who? Those who can get away with making faulty $100+ million planes and $400,000 pilot helmets, no-bid oil contracts, and other multinationals probably have the lion share of influence. Israel benefits, but it’s along for the ride.

    What’s the plan? It may be an American global retread of Oded Yinon’s ‘A Strategy for Israel in the Nineteen Eighties’ (Feb 1982): http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/pdf/The%20Zionist%20Plan%20for%20the%20Middle%20East.pdf

    • Replies: @geokat62

    Is the US so slavishly manipulated by AIPAC, or are there US interests that use Israel as a proxy?
     
    I've addressed this issue in one of my previous comments:

    There are two schools of thought on this issue: “the dog wags the tail” and “the tail wags the dog.”

    The first school is led by Prof Noam Chomsky, the second by Profs. Mearsheimer and Walt (authors of The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy).

    While Chomsky’s thesis of American imperialism appeared to be a plausible explanation of events in the ME during the Cold War years, it has fallen into disrepute since 9/11 and the thesis put forward by Profs. Mearsheimer and Walt has become the dominant one.
     
    As for your final comment:

    What’s the plan? It may be an American global retread of Oded Yinon’s ‘A Strategy for Israel in the Nineteen Eighties’
     
    The only thing that comes to mind is the old saying: he who pays the piper calls the tune. Ask yourself: Who is making the largest contributions to congressional and presidential elections?

    So if you listen carefully, you'll notice the tune has a certain Zionist ring to it.
    , @geokat62

    The first post-USSR Defense Planning Guidance draft came out 18 Feb 1992. Authored by Zalmay Khalizad...
     
    Since I was always under the impression that Wolfowitz was the author of that document, I did a little check and here's what I found:

    Wolfowitz Doctrine is an unofficial name given to the initial version of the Defense Planning Guidance for the 1994–99 fiscal years (dated February 18, 1992) authored by Under Secretary of Defense for Policy Paul Wolfowitz and his deputy Scooter Libby. Not intended for public release, it was leaked to the New York Times on March 7, 1992,
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfowitz_Doctrine
     
    Perhaps you wouldn't mind providing your source?
    , @KA
    Zalmay like Chalabi were nurture and cultivated by the Neocons from 60s and 70s
    Zalmay still could not be trusted by neocons and was passed over when a possibility arose that he could go to Iraq "as proconsul"
  49. Even if this isn’t a FF, consider the following:

    France, based on LIES, helped to destroy Iraq. Yes, they weren’t in on the initial invasion, but kept their mouth shut when Bush, Blair and Cheney were repeating endless lies about Iraq and Saddam. And kept their mouth shut when crimes against humanity and war crimes were committed against Iraq, so they are enablers of that catastrophe.

    Based on LIES, France helped to destroy Libya and are now working on the destruction of Syria.

    They’ve helped to kill millions of ME and African people, and destroy their homes, based on LIES, so what did they expect? And what about France’s past brutal history of colonial repression, thefts and murder, from SE Asia to Africa to the sell-out of the Arabs that helped you defeat Turkey and Germany during WWI, but that’s soooo boring, that kind of history.

    Yes, France, being a typical bully, it’s so much fun to watch the small and helpless writhe in pain and misery from your brutal attacks, Vive la France!

    But when the chickens come home to roost, you start crying like a baby.

    Tough, you started it, so take your dues. (Watch this be turned into a clarion call to replace Assad.)

    P.S. Hollande was polling around 20% in polls of the French approving of his leadership. Watch those numbers shoot up to 60% now.

    • Replies: @Marais

    “France, based on LIES, helped to destroy Iraq. Yes, they weren’t in on the initial invasion, but kept their mouth shut when Bush, Blair and Cheney were repeating endless lies about Iraq and Saddam. And kept their mouth shut when crimes against humanity and war crimes were committed against Iraq, so they are enablers of that catastrophe.”
     
    If memory serves, Chirac heavily pushed inspections, vocally refused to join Bush, and rejected US attempts to get UN approval for invasion. ‘Old Europe,’ ‘Freedom Fries,’ ‘Boycott France,’ and exclusion for Wolfowitz’s Iraq contractor list followed. Relations thawed only after Sarkozy took office (2007). And yet France ‘enabled’ Bush’s invasion?

    “Based on LIES, France helped to destroy Libya and are now working on the destruction of Syria.”
     
    You have a better case here, though you omit any British or American responsibility. Why?

    “...France, being a typical bully...”
     
    Does that mean the US is bully extraordinaire?
  50. The globalist elites are pure unadultered evil so do not take anything they say at face value.

    You done spoke a parable there, Anatoly!

  51. @Marais

    “...refute what M&W wrote about Syria , in their book The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy...”
     
    M&W are great, but they don’t really address US motives shorn of Israel. Is the US so slavishly manipulated by AIPAC, or are there US interests that use Israel as a proxy?

    Turn the clock back to late 1991 and the break up of the USSR: a catastrophic threat to the Pentagon budget (Edward Kennedy called for a $210 billion seven-year cut). The first post-USSR Defense Planning Guidance draft came out 18 Feb 1992. Authored by Zalmay Khalizad , it called for robust unilateralism and global military pre-emption. It was toned-down after criticism, but those further up the DoD chain took note: Scooter Libby, Paul Wolfowitz and (most important) Dick Cheney.

    Perle’s ‘Clean Break’ (1996), PNAC (1997), and demands for Iraqi régime change (1998) followed in the Clinton years. Neocon contributions were nurtured by AEI and people like Cheney, then CEO of defense/oil services contractor Halliburton. Many of the same players re-emerged with GWB in 2001.

    Who (Israel/US) was/is using who? Those who can get away with making faulty $100+ million planes and $400,000 pilot helmets, no-bid oil contracts, and other multinationals probably have the lion share of influence. Israel benefits, but it’s along for the ride.

    What’s the plan? It may be an American global retread of Oded Yinon’s 'A Strategy for Israel in the Nineteen Eighties' (Feb 1982): http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/pdf/The%20Zionist%20Plan%20for%20the%20Middle%20East.pdf

    Is the US so slavishly manipulated by AIPAC, or are there US interests that use Israel as a proxy?

    I’ve addressed this issue in one of my previous comments:

    There are two schools of thought on this issue: “the dog wags the tail” and “the tail wags the dog.”

    The first school is led by Prof Noam Chomsky, the second by Profs. Mearsheimer and Walt (authors of The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy).

    While Chomsky’s thesis of American imperialism appeared to be a plausible explanation of events in the ME during the Cold War years, it has fallen into disrepute since 9/11 and the thesis put forward by Profs. Mearsheimer and Walt has become the dominant one.

    As for your final comment:

    What’s the plan? It may be an American global retread of Oded Yinon’s ‘A Strategy for Israel in the Nineteen Eighties’

    The only thing that comes to mind is the old saying: he who pays the piper calls the tune. Ask yourself: Who is making the largest contributions to congressional and presidential elections?

    So if you listen carefully, you’ll notice the tune has a certain Zionist ring to it.

    • Replies: @Marais

    “...the tune has a certain Zionist ring to it.”
     
    Zionists benefit, but I think the American 1% (many not Jewish, nor Zionists) are more concerned with secure, double-digit investment returns now and in future. Maintaining the global dollar standard and our ability to print money is essential (did Saddam threaten to price his oil in euros?). Military power is not only vital, it’s a profitable investment for the same people (and war is great for business). Changing régimes into compliant vassals that can never threaten us serves those interests.

    Consider UTC, a major defense contractor. It negotiated $400 million in tax breaks for staying in Connecticut last year. Despite this tax coup, CEO Louis Chênevert (who made $26 million in 2013) announced his retirement that November. It later transpired that the UTC board thought he was spending too much time looking after construction of his new yacht in the far east. Chênevert departed with $32.3 million for 2014 plus an $184 million retirement package.

    Consider GE, another defense contractor. It threatened to ship jobs abroad unless the Export-Import Bank is reconstituted. It also threatens to leave Connecticut because of high taxes. It’s tax bill? $0 federal and $250 Connecticut. Like UTC, GE benefits from perpetual war.

    That doesn’t mean I give Zionism a pass (I don’t). I just think America should be examined, especially as a vote on TPP enters the agenda.
    , @SolontoCroesus
    Robert Merry's talk at American Conservative Summit on Realism and Restraint in Foreign Policy, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9w2kbmdH90

    offered insight into the evolution of US management/bureaucracy.

    He and several other speakers referred to an essay by one John Hay, http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-deciders/

    I was intrigued by Merry's mention that the phenomenon he discussed, that of decisions being made by lower-level bureaucrats who manage to deflect responsibility for them, mimics Bolshevik models. Merry included Nazism and Fascism in that model. It was evident in FDR's New Deal, and has overtaken decision-making functions today.

    Merry gestured in the direction of Charles Beard's thesis:

    Beard turned against Franklin Delano Roosevelt's foreign policy [and] became one of the leading proponents of American non-interventionism seeking to avoid American involvement in Europe's wars.

    He promoted "American Continentalism" as an alternative, arguing that the United States had no vital interests at stake in Europe and that a foreign war could lead to domestic dictatorship. He continued to press this position after the war. Beard's last two books were American Foreign Policy in the Making: 1932–1940 (1946) and President Roosevelt and the Coming of War (1948). Beard blamed FDR for lying to the American people and tricking them into war, which some historians and political scientists have disputed.
     
    It's indisputable that FDR was heavily influenced by zionist Jews, including very influential Jews who supported Bolshevik Stalinism to the extent of spying for Stalin and raising US bond- and tax-funds to funnel to Stalin's regime.

    FDR's administration marks a radical turn from core US Constitutional values. Is it time to view those Bolshevik-model bureaucrats in FDR's regime as the perpetrators of a coup that has gained ever-increasing control over American political, economic, cultural, and foreign affairs?

    The John Hay essay played a spotlight on the Bremer-Wolfowitz decision to de-Baathify Iraq, which they consciously and conspicuously modeled on the de-Nazification of Germany.

    It's been evident to me for some time that the neocons are in a fugue state set in motion by the Jewish Anglo-zionist triumph over- and destruction of- Germany; they are stuck in this fugue and can't stop themselves from repeating the destructive fury.

    Thus Merry's inclusion of Nazism and Fascism in the same Bolshevik (which I set as largely dominated by Jewish worldview) model seems inappropriate: Nazism sought to eradicate Bolshevism. (As Herbert Hoover argued ardently, the world would have much better if the Nazis had been permitted to succeed.)
  52. @Tsar Nicholas
    My position is that such events are false flags unless proven otherwise.

    I am very much concerned that this may be an Archduke Ferdinand moment, which will lead to NATO military intervention in Syria - illegal intervention - and some sort of clash with the Russian Federation forces stationed there.

    I, too, suspect CIA involvement in this attack and the probable Russian plane bombing (~30% chance of involvement)

  53. @Tsar Nicholas
    My position is that such events are false flags unless proven otherwise.

    I am very much concerned that this may be an Archduke Ferdinand moment, which will lead to NATO military intervention in Syria - illegal intervention - and some sort of clash with the Russian Federation forces stationed there.

    never gonna happen with russia over there. unless the neocons are willing to go to war with russia.

    in the current world. whichever moves first have the advantage. russia has already moved in. nato can do jack shit to assad now.

  54. @Stan D Mute

    Seems to me you are a typical atheist who has it in for Evangelical Christians. One, because they are Christian. Two, because most support Israel.

     

    Are those not sufficient reasons? How about because they are WEAK coward cuckolds who have sat back and watched while the nation and the West are overrun by third world primitive invaders? Have they defended anyone, including their own families, from the feral negroes and mestizos? Stopped the queers and feminists from rotting the culture? Or are they up to their necks in bringing Africans and Arabs into America's heartland? These cuckolds are willing to fight for Israel but unwilling to fight for America or the West. The Jews who are Zionists are merely supporting their own tribal interests. The cuckold Christians fight for everyone's interest except their own tribe.

    The Evangelicals were a lot more muscular in Jerry Falwell’s era. Some have become wimpy the way you describe. Same as the Mormons who used to be very conservative and were known for their rock ribbed Republicanism 50 years ago. I have even heard of Evangelicals who have bought into global warming and will support the Democrats on that nonsense.

    • Replies: @Stan D Mute
    All are up to their necks in Fedgov race replacement project importing Africans and Arabs by the boatload and inflicting them on places like Minneapolis, Salt Lake City, etc.
  55. @Greg Bacon
    Even if this isn't a FF, consider the following:

    France, based on LIES, helped to destroy Iraq. Yes, they weren't in on the initial invasion, but kept their mouth shut when Bush, Blair and Cheney were repeating endless lies about Iraq and Saddam. And kept their mouth shut when crimes against humanity and war crimes were committed against Iraq, so they are enablers of that catastrophe.

    Based on LIES, France helped to destroy Libya and are now working on the destruction of Syria.

    They've helped to kill millions of ME and African people, and destroy their homes, based on LIES, so what did they expect? And what about France's past brutal history of colonial repression, thefts and murder, from SE Asia to Africa to the sell-out of the Arabs that helped you defeat Turkey and Germany during WWI, but that's soooo boring, that kind of history.


    Yes, France, being a typical bully, it's so much fun to watch the small and helpless writhe in pain and misery from your brutal attacks, Vive la France!

    But when the chickens come home to roost, you start crying like a baby.

    Tough, you started it, so take your dues. (Watch this be turned into a clarion call to replace Assad.)

    P.S. Hollande was polling around 20% in polls of the French approving of his leadership. Watch those numbers shoot up to 60% now.

    “France, based on LIES, helped to destroy Iraq. Yes, they weren’t in on the initial invasion, but kept their mouth shut when Bush, Blair and Cheney were repeating endless lies about Iraq and Saddam. And kept their mouth shut when crimes against humanity and war crimes were committed against Iraq, so they are enablers of that catastrophe.”

    If memory serves, Chirac heavily pushed inspections, vocally refused to join Bush, and rejected US attempts to get UN approval for invasion. ‘Old Europe,’ ‘Freedom Fries,’ ‘Boycott France,’ and exclusion for Wolfowitz’s Iraq contractor list followed. Relations thawed only after Sarkozy took office (2007). And yet France ‘enabled’ Bush’s invasion?

    “Based on LIES, France helped to destroy Libya and are now working on the destruction of Syria.”

    You have a better case here, though you omit any British or American responsibility. Why?

    “…France, being a typical bully…”

    Does that mean the US is bully extraordinaire?

  56. How long would Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Bush last in the streets of Paris today?

    More Iraq war fallout and payback!

  57. NEOLIBERALS, not Communists, created Feminism, to check the rising wages and confidence of White Male Workers. In ex-Communist Countries, women love their men manly, even if they have an Engineering PhD and work in a nuclear plant. In fact they are far more willing to marry blue collar men than European/American educated women. It’s the Western Countries where women are brainwashed (against their own innate desires) to want “sensitive” cucks for husbands (while lusting after well off hunks).

    This was to increase the labor supply and create more households (of divorced single women with children, subsidized by child support and sometimes welfare) which equals more sales and cheaper wages.

    Rockefeller was the lead on this. And in case nobody noticed, he’s not a Jew.
    https://endofmen.wordpress.com/2007/11/08/why-feminism-is-a-fraud/

  58. @Marais

    “...refute what M&W wrote about Syria , in their book The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy...”
     
    M&W are great, but they don’t really address US motives shorn of Israel. Is the US so slavishly manipulated by AIPAC, or are there US interests that use Israel as a proxy?

    Turn the clock back to late 1991 and the break up of the USSR: a catastrophic threat to the Pentagon budget (Edward Kennedy called for a $210 billion seven-year cut). The first post-USSR Defense Planning Guidance draft came out 18 Feb 1992. Authored by Zalmay Khalizad , it called for robust unilateralism and global military pre-emption. It was toned-down after criticism, but those further up the DoD chain took note: Scooter Libby, Paul Wolfowitz and (most important) Dick Cheney.

    Perle’s ‘Clean Break’ (1996), PNAC (1997), and demands for Iraqi régime change (1998) followed in the Clinton years. Neocon contributions were nurtured by AEI and people like Cheney, then CEO of defense/oil services contractor Halliburton. Many of the same players re-emerged with GWB in 2001.

    Who (Israel/US) was/is using who? Those who can get away with making faulty $100+ million planes and $400,000 pilot helmets, no-bid oil contracts, and other multinationals probably have the lion share of influence. Israel benefits, but it’s along for the ride.

    What’s the plan? It may be an American global retread of Oded Yinon’s 'A Strategy for Israel in the Nineteen Eighties' (Feb 1982): http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/pdf/The%20Zionist%20Plan%20for%20the%20Middle%20East.pdf

    The first post-USSR Defense Planning Guidance draft came out 18 Feb 1992. Authored by Zalmay Khalizad…

    Since I was always under the impression that Wolfowitz was the author of that document, I did a little check and here’s what I found:

    Wolfowitz Doctrine is an unofficial name given to the initial version of the Defense Planning Guidance for the 1994–99 fiscal years (dated February 18, 1992) authored by Under Secretary of Defense for Policy Paul Wolfowitz and his deputy Scooter Libby. Not intended for public release, it was leaked to the New York Times on March 7, 1992,
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfowitz_Doctrine

    Perhaps you wouldn’t mind providing your source?

    • Replies: @Marais

    “Perhaps you wouldn’t mind providing your source?”
     
    Not at all: James Mann ‘Rise of the Vulcans’ (2004) page 208.

    Third paragraph, second line of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfowitz_Doctrine

    “The task of preparing the document fell to Libby, who delegated the process of writing the new strategy to Zalmay Khalizad, a member of Libby's staff and longtime aide to Wolfowitz...”
     
  59. @Tsar Nicholas
    My position is that such events are false flags unless proven otherwise.

    I am very much concerned that this may be an Archduke Ferdinand moment, which will lead to NATO military intervention in Syria - illegal intervention - and some sort of clash with the Russian Federation forces stationed there.

    Of course it’s a false flag. They found a Syrian passport on one of the ‘exploded’ bombers. Just like the 9/11 Saudi passport- it’s made from fireproof, explosion proof material. Perfect for suicide activists who want to make sure they can be easily identified after immolation or blowing themselves to smithereens. Yeah right. Only an amoeba is dumb enough to believe this rubbish.

    • Replies: @Carl
    Jet fuel, dude. Illuminati confirmed. Reptilian paper-tech can survive a blast, dude. Stupid amoebas everywhere. Not you. Never you.
  60. Bear in mind also that in Western rhetoric Assad is responsible for the immigrant crisis

    Well, if you ask the Syrian refugees in Germany, he largely is. More than 50% say they fled from regime barrel bombs & such, IIRC some 30% fled ISIS.

    @ German_reader:

    If this is confirmed and the terrorists came via Germany from the Balkans, this means they will have profited from Germany’s de facto abolition of borders.

    Nonsense, open borders is an EU-internal policy. & Germany doesn’t have a border with Montenegro…
    The other terrorists seemingly mostly came from France & Belgium, one perhaps a refugee from Syria.

    @ KA:

    Passport has been found to let NATO fly over Damascus. That’s what it means

    Also nonsense. Since ISIS is blamed (& claims the attacks), there is nothing which would lead NATO to attack Damascus. I even doubt that NATO as such will get involved in the fight against ISIS. It will probably just go on as it was before, probably with more French involvement.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    "Nonsense, open borders is an EU-internal policy. & Germany doesn’t have a border with Montenegro…"

    Merkel has de facto invited millions to Germany, there is no control who's coming, "refugees" are moving around freely in Germany, unregistered, and there isn't any serious attempt at background checks (apparently right now, anybody can claim to be Syrian, and judgment whether they are or are not, is left to some interpreters who aren't even real employees of the migration agency, let alone have taken an oath). Under those conditions Schengen should have been abandoned weeks ago and strict border controls reimposed. So, yes it is Merkel's fault.

  61. @Clyde

    The Syrian Civil War was a primarily US sponsored project to weaponize their Islamist lackeys to break up Syria for make benefit of Israel.
     
    Absurd! State Dept and Obama despise Netnayahu. Likud party and Israel. Plus your link says zero about Israel. Now possibly we started in with trying to overthrow Assad because the Saudis and other Sunni oil producers demanded this help, plus they were arming ISIS for quite a while. Plus State hating Putin saw Assad as a Russian stooge.

    Just saying that blame for Syria's present situation lies in the centuries old Sunni-Shiite conflicts and wars. With the US coming down on the Sunni side. With Russia and Iran on the Assad-Alewite side. Alewite Islam is a Shiite offshoot/////

    Double Dealing_____June 14 2014
    America's Allies Are Funding ISIS
    The Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS), now threatening Baghdad, was funded for years by wealthy donors in (ALL ARE SUNNI MUSLIM NATIONS) Kuwait, Qatar, and Saudi Arabia, three U.S. allies that have dual agendas in the war on terror.

    The extremist group that is threatening the existence of the Iraqi state was built and grown for years with the help of elite donors from American supposed allies in the Persian Gulf region. There, the threat of Iran, Assad, and the Sunni-Shiite sectarian war trumps the U.S. goal of stability and moderation in the region.

    It’s an ironic twist, especially for donors in Kuwait (who, to be fair, back a wide variety of militias). ISIS has aligned itself with remnants of the Baathist regime once led by Saddam Hussein. Back in 1990, the U.S. attacked Iraq in order to liberate Kuwait from Hussein’s clutches. Now Kuwait is helping the rise of his successors.

    As ISIS takes over town after town in Iraq, they are acquiring money and supplies including American made vehicles, arms, and ammunition. The group reportedly scored $430 million this week when they looted the main bank in Mosul. They reportedly now have a stream of steady income sources, including from selling oil in the Northern Syrian regions they control, sometimes directly to the Assad regime. ______ http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/06/14/america-s-allies-are-funding-isis.html
     

    The Syrian problem “s proximate and nearest association with the overall Zio plan is PNAC 1992,1996,2000 papers and exhortation to destroy Syria and agin political ambience of 2002 when Sharon was asking to keep on marching to Syria He was offering homemade evidences of terrorist hiding in Damascus and WMD being kept dry by Saddam in Syrian desert . Then Israel started bombing Damascus way before 2011 . Very soon it forced Congress to pass more sanctions on Syria .
    Israel is hundred percent responsible . Other crazies ate joining in the game because they know they would suffer same fate if they did not .

    “It’s not that we don’t want the Salafis to throw bombs,” said one US government defense consultant in 2007. “It’s who they throw them at – Hezbollah, Moqtada al-Sadr, Iran, and at the Syrians, if they continue to work with Hezbollah and Iran.”

    Pakistani defense sources interviewed by Asia Times in February 2005 confirmed that insurgents described as “former Ba’ath party” loyalists – who were being recruited and trained by “al-Qaeda in Iraq” under the leadership of the late Abu Musab Zarqawi – were being supplied Pakistan-manufactured weapons by the US. The arms shipments included rifles, rocket-propelled grenade launchers, ammunition, rockets and other light weaponry. These arms “could not be destined for the Iraqi security forces because US arms would be given to them”, a source told Syed Saleem Shahzad – the Times’ Pakistan bureau chief who, “known for his exposes of the Pakistani military” according to the New Yorker, was murdered in 2011. Rather, the US is playing a double-game to “head off” the threat of a “Shi’ite clergy-driven religious movement,” said the Pakistani defense source.

    According to a little-known November report for the US Joint Special Operations University (JSOU) and Strategic Studies Department, Dividing Our Enemies, post-invasion Iraq was “an interesting case study of fanning discontent among enemies, leading to ‘red-against-red’ [enemy-against-enemy] firefights.”

    In August, Debkafile reported that “The US, Jordan and Israel are quietly backing the mixed bag of some 30 Syrian rebel factions”, some of which had just “seized control of the Syrian side of the Quneitra crossing, the only transit point between Israeli and Syrian Golan.” However, Debkafile noted, “al-Qaeda elements have permeated all those factions.” Israel has provided limited support to these rebels in the form of “medical care,” as well as “arms, intelligence and food…

    According to former French foreign minister Roland Dumas, Britain had planned covert action in Syria as early as 2009: “I was in England two years before the violence in Syria on other business,” he told French television: “I met with top British officials, who confessed to me that they were preparing something in Syria. This was in Britain not in America. Britain was preparing gunmen to invade Syria.”

    Leaked emails from the private intelligence firm Stratfor, including notes from a meeting with Pentagon officials, confirmed that as of 2011, US and UK special forces training of Syrian opposition forces was well underway. The goal was to elicit the “collapse” of Assad’s regime “from within.”

    The 2002 Perle-RAND plan was active in the Bush administration’s strategic thinking on Iraq shortly before the 2003 war. According to US private intelligence firm Stratfor, in late 2002, then vice-president Dick Cheney and deputy defense secretary Paul Wolfowitz had co-authored a scheme under which central Sunni-majority Iraq would join with Jordan; the northern Kurdish regions would become an autonomous state; all becoming separate from the southern Shi’ite region.
    In 2008, the strategy re-surfaced – once again via RAND Corp – through a report funded by the US Army Training and Doctrine Command on how to prosecute the ‘long war.’ Among its strategies, one scenario advocated by the report was ‘Divide and Rule’ which would involve “exploiting fault lines between the various Salafi-jihadist groups to turn them against each other and dissipate their energy on internal conflicts.”

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/09/12/how-the-west-created-the-islamic-state/

    • Replies: @annamaria
    Thank you for the fact-supported response
    , @Clyde
    @KA
    You posted three responses to what I said. I read them all. Lots of your info is from 2007 which is long ago. In 2007 did you ever think Russia would be in Syria and doing bombing runs from this Arab base? And maneuvering itself into a dominant position in the Middle East? Helped by Obama/John Kerry/State Department who are abdicating our long time role there. Whatever dumb things George Bush did there, Obama/Hillary/Kerry have done even stupider such as pimping the Arab Spring and overthrowing dictators who maintained stability, so should have been left in place. Such as deposing and killing Qaddafi which now allows Muslim and African hordes (aka refugees) to get on ol rust buckets and head out to Europe.
    Anyway you took the time to post and I took the time to read.
  62. @bossel

    Bear in mind also that in Western rhetoric Assad is responsible for the immigrant crisis
     
    Well, if you ask the Syrian refugees in Germany, he largely is. More than 50% say they fled from regime barrel bombs & such, IIRC some 30% fled ISIS.


    @ German_reader:

    If this is confirmed and the terrorists came via Germany from the Balkans, this means they will have profited from Germany’s de facto abolition of borders.
     
    Nonsense, open borders is an EU-internal policy. & Germany doesn't have a border with Montenegro...
    The other terrorists seemingly mostly came from France & Belgium, one perhaps a refugee from Syria.


    @ KA:

    Passport has been found to let NATO fly over Damascus. That’s what it means
     
    Also nonsense. Since ISIS is blamed (& claims the attacks), there is nothing which would lead NATO to attack Damascus. I even doubt that NATO as such will get involved in the fight against ISIS. It will probably just go on as it was before, probably with more French involvement.

    “Nonsense, open borders is an EU-internal policy. & Germany doesn’t have a border with Montenegro…”

    Merkel has de facto invited millions to Germany, there is no control who’s coming, “refugees” are moving around freely in Germany, unregistered, and there isn’t any serious attempt at background checks (apparently right now, anybody can claim to be Syrian, and judgment whether they are or are not, is left to some interpreters who aren’t even real employees of the migration agency, let alone have taken an oath). Under those conditions Schengen should have been abandoned weeks ago and strict border controls reimposed. So, yes it is Merkel’s fault.

  63. @geokat62

    Is the US so slavishly manipulated by AIPAC, or are there US interests that use Israel as a proxy?
     
    I've addressed this issue in one of my previous comments:

    There are two schools of thought on this issue: “the dog wags the tail” and “the tail wags the dog.”

    The first school is led by Prof Noam Chomsky, the second by Profs. Mearsheimer and Walt (authors of The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy).

    While Chomsky’s thesis of American imperialism appeared to be a plausible explanation of events in the ME during the Cold War years, it has fallen into disrepute since 9/11 and the thesis put forward by Profs. Mearsheimer and Walt has become the dominant one.
     
    As for your final comment:

    What’s the plan? It may be an American global retread of Oded Yinon’s ‘A Strategy for Israel in the Nineteen Eighties’
     
    The only thing that comes to mind is the old saying: he who pays the piper calls the tune. Ask yourself: Who is making the largest contributions to congressional and presidential elections?

    So if you listen carefully, you'll notice the tune has a certain Zionist ring to it.

    “…the tune has a certain Zionist ring to it.”

    Zionists benefit, but I think the American 1% (many not Jewish, nor Zionists) are more concerned with secure, double-digit investment returns now and in future. Maintaining the global dollar standard and our ability to print money is essential (did Saddam threaten to price his oil in euros?). Military power is not only vital, it’s a profitable investment for the same people (and war is great for business). Changing régimes into compliant vassals that can never threaten us serves those interests.

    Consider UTC, a major defense contractor. It negotiated $400 million in tax breaks for staying in Connecticut last year. Despite this tax coup, CEO Louis Chênevert (who made $26 million in 2013) announced his retirement that November. It later transpired that the UTC board thought he was spending too much time looking after construction of his new yacht in the far east. Chênevert departed with $32.3 million for 2014 plus an $184 million retirement package.

    Consider GE, another defense contractor. It threatened to ship jobs abroad unless the Export-Import Bank is reconstituted. It also threatens to leave Connecticut because of high taxes. It’s tax bill? $0 federal and $250 Connecticut. Like UTC, GE benefits from perpetual war.

    That doesn’t mean I give Zionism a pass (I don’t). I just think America should be examined, especially as a vote on TPP enters the agenda.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Hey Marais,

    I agree with you 100% about the tick-like greed of the war pig gentiles who are legion, especially the traitorous scum like Dick Cheney or Tony Blair, who unlike corporate executive who're paid to be greedy and are doing their jobs, POS like Blair betray their country and countrymen for a few contemptuous shekels tossed in their direction. (or in the case of Cheney, more than a few)

    but not to split hairs, I did want at least to point out that

    Changing régimes into compliant vassals that can never threaten us ...
     
    none of the regimes we've toppled threatened us in the least. Afghanistan did not do 911. Nor did any of the regimes they've toppled. So when they did their 'shock and awe' and destroyed all of those countries and sent the Syrians (and everybody else in Africa) marching into Europe, none of any of that was done because those regimes threatened us or anyone else except for the Islamic extremists who Saddam and Gadaffi kept stomped down.

    But now that those Muslims are in Europe and here, and are understandably and justifiably pissed off, now we do face very real and very dire threats.

    just sayin'
  64. @KA
    The Syrian problem "s proximate and nearest association with the overall Zio plan is PNAC 1992,1996,2000 papers and exhortation to destroy Syria and agin political ambience of 2002 when Sharon was asking to keep on marching to Syria He was offering homemade evidences of terrorist hiding in Damascus and WMD being kept dry by Saddam in Syrian desert . Then Israel started bombing Damascus way before 2011 . Very soon it forced Congress to pass more sanctions on Syria .
    Israel is hundred percent responsible . Other crazies ate joining in the game because they know they would suffer same fate if they did not .


    "It’s not that we don’t want the Salafis to throw bombs,” said one US government defense consultant in 2007. “It’s who they throw them at – Hezbollah, Moqtada al-Sadr, Iran, and at the Syrians, if they continue to work with Hezbollah and Iran.”

    Pakistani defense sources interviewed by Asia Times in February 2005 confirmed that insurgents described as “former Ba’ath party” loyalists – who were being recruited and trained by “al-Qaeda in Iraq” under the leadership of the late Abu Musab Zarqawi – were being supplied Pakistan-manufactured weapons by the US. The arms shipments included rifles, rocket-propelled grenade launchers, ammunition, rockets and other light weaponry. These arms “could not be destined for the Iraqi security forces because US arms would be given to them”, a source told Syed Saleem Shahzad – the Times’ Pakistan bureau chief who, “known for his exposes of the Pakistani military” according to the New Yorker, was murdered in 2011. Rather, the US is playing a double-game to “head off” the threat of a “Shi’ite clergy-driven religious movement,” said the Pakistani defense source.


    According to a little-known November report for the US Joint Special Operations University (JSOU) and Strategic Studies Department, Dividing Our Enemies, post-invasion Iraq was “an interesting case study of fanning discontent among enemies, leading to ‘red-against-red’ [enemy-against-enemy] firefights.”

    In August, Debkafile reported that “The US, Jordan and Israel are quietly backing the mixed bag of some 30 Syrian rebel factions”, some of which had just “seized control of the Syrian side of the Quneitra crossing, the only transit point between Israeli and Syrian Golan.” However, Debkafile noted, “al-Qaeda elements have permeated all those factions.” Israel has provided limited support to these rebels in the form of “medical care,” as well as “arms, intelligence and food…

    According to former French foreign minister Roland Dumas, Britain had planned covert action in Syria as early as 2009: “I was in England two years before the violence in Syria on other business,” he told French television: “I met with top British officials, who confessed to me that they were preparing something in Syria. This was in Britain not in America. Britain was preparing gunmen to invade Syria.”

    Leaked emails from the private intelligence firm Stratfor, including notes from a meeting with Pentagon officials, confirmed that as of 2011, US and UK special forces training of Syrian opposition forces was well underway. The goal was to elicit the “collapse” of Assad’s regime “from within.”

    The 2002 Perle-RAND plan was active in the Bush administration’s strategic thinking on Iraq shortly before the 2003 war. According to US private intelligence firm Stratfor, in late 2002, then vice-president Dick Cheney and deputy defense secretary Paul Wolfowitz had co-authored a scheme under which central Sunni-majority Iraq would join with Jordan; the northern Kurdish regions would become an autonomous state; all becoming separate from the southern Shi’ite region.
    In 2008, the strategy re-surfaced – once again via RAND Corp – through a report funded by the US Army Training and Doctrine Command on how to prosecute the ‘long war.’ Among its strategies, one scenario advocated by the report was ‘Divide and Rule’ which would involve “exploiting fault lines between the various Salafi-jihadist groups to turn them against each other and dissipate their energy on internal conflicts.”

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/09/12/how-the-west-created-the-islamic-state/

    Thank you for the fact-supported response

    • Replies: @KA
    Welcome
  65. @geokat62

    The first post-USSR Defense Planning Guidance draft came out 18 Feb 1992. Authored by Zalmay Khalizad...
     
    Since I was always under the impression that Wolfowitz was the author of that document, I did a little check and here's what I found:

    Wolfowitz Doctrine is an unofficial name given to the initial version of the Defense Planning Guidance for the 1994–99 fiscal years (dated February 18, 1992) authored by Under Secretary of Defense for Policy Paul Wolfowitz and his deputy Scooter Libby. Not intended for public release, it was leaked to the New York Times on March 7, 1992,
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfowitz_Doctrine
     
    Perhaps you wouldn't mind providing your source?

    “Perhaps you wouldn’t mind providing your source?”

    Not at all: James Mann ‘Rise of the Vulcans’ (2004) page 208.

    Third paragraph, second line of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfowitz_Doctrine

    “The task of preparing the document fell to Libby, who delegated the process of writing the new strategy to Zalmay Khalizad, a member of Libby’s staff and longtime aide to Wolfowitz…”

    • Replies: @Marais
    PS. I guess Wolfowitz wasn’t particularly inventive, though he took credit for the doctrine. Mann notes Cheney’s great interest in the document (in the original form).
  66. @German_reader
    On Thursday Bavarian police caught some guy from Montenegro in routine controls, his car was full of weapons and explosives, and documents indicated he was bound for Paris. If this is confirmed and the terrorists came via Germany from the Balkans, this means they will have profited from Germany's de facto abolition of borders. This won't be good for Franco-German relations or for Germany's standing in the EU, to put it mildly,...and if there's anything like accountability for politicians left, it should kill Merkel's chancellorship.

    it should kill Merkel’s chancellorship

    Heartening news of an almost transcendental proportion.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    I'm not sure it will though, and in any case there is no replacement in sight that would be substantially better (Bavaria's Seehofer is too timid, and finance minister Schäuble is a Euromaniac, who thinks the solution is, as always, more European integration). Germany is simply insane, it's depressing how stupid people are here.
  67. @Marais

    “Perhaps you wouldn’t mind providing your source?”
     
    Not at all: James Mann ‘Rise of the Vulcans’ (2004) page 208.

    Third paragraph, second line of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfowitz_Doctrine

    “The task of preparing the document fell to Libby, who delegated the process of writing the new strategy to Zalmay Khalizad, a member of Libby's staff and longtime aide to Wolfowitz...”
     

    PS. I guess Wolfowitz wasn’t particularly inventive, though he took credit for the doctrine. Mann notes Cheney’s great interest in the document (in the original form).

    • Replies: @geokat62

    The 1992 draft Defense Planning Guidance (DPG), crafted by then-Defense Department staffers I. Lewis Libby, Paul Wolfowitz, and Zalmay Khalilzad, is widely regarded as an early formulation of the neoconservatives' post-Cold War agenda. - See more at: http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/1992_Draft_Defense_Planning_Guidance#.dpuf
     
    So, I guess we were both right.
  68. @annamaria
    most likely it was someone whose family was massacred by some US/UK-made precision bomb and whose village is no more
    I am against capital punishment, but the US neocons of Cheney/Krystol kind (and other architects and drivers of the mass-murderous Middle Eastern wars) should be at least considered for hanging.

    Yeah, that makes sense. Because French Eagles of Death Metal fans precision bomb “villages” when they’re not at concerts.

    You’re arguing from the same template SJWs in the US use to explain why blacks come into a fully functioning city, wanting but simultaneously hating its benefits and comforts, and those who create them, and reduce it to a pile of rubble in about 30 years. “It’s past trauma! It’s memory of bad stuff! It’s what other people did to them!”

    C’mon, these HEDs are what they are genetically–they’re explosive because DNA, and also because their own elites have pumped that up for their own reasons.

    All the psychological analysis in the world isn’t going to change that any more than shoveling welfare at some fraction of them will.

    I doubt the weaponized carbon units had anything to do with “villages” except in the same way white liberals and progs in the US have anything to do with blacks.

    They do what they do because it’s what they do, and they will exploit any population’s niches to glean resources to continue to do it. They too are the tools of their local outposts of the global elite (which is not a unitary club nor entirely composed of US/UK interests and elements).

    It’s observed in psychometrics that people have a very difficult time talking across an IQ gap of more than two standard deviations (30 points). For what it’s worth Koko the Gorilla’s IQ has been variously measured at 70 to 90. Two SD above that is 100-120. I suggest that what we’re observing is a similar gap in SD on personality traits.

    https://jaymans.wordpress.com/2014/04/17/predictions-on-the-worldwide-distribution-of-personality/

    That’s not going to be fixed with politics except as politics as an instrument of selection. And that’s not so much a matter of “fixing” it as biological populations doing what they do: contesting for resources, mates, and power.

  69. @reiner Tor

    it should kill Merkel’s chancellorship
     
    Heartening news of an almost transcendental proportion.

    I’m not sure it will though, and in any case there is no replacement in sight that would be substantially better (Bavaria’s Seehofer is too timid, and finance minister Schäuble is a Euromaniac, who thinks the solution is, as always, more European integration). Germany is simply insane, it’s depressing how stupid people are here.

    • Replies: @5371
    What about Guttenberg? Is he forgiven yet for the derivative nature of his scholarship? And does he have a public position on the invasion?
  70. […] in France = State Sponsored Terror, But Which State? The Paris Terror Attacks Updated-President al-Assad to French delegation: Terrorist attacks on Paris can’t be separated […]

  71. @geokat62

    Beware of taking sides; only watch.
     
    Fred, not that you would be interested, but I thought I'd share a personal story with you.

    Many years ago, I was driving along a road and I saw a much larger man about to pulverize a much smaller man. I immediately stopped my car and put myself between the two of them. The much smaller man did not hesitate and took the opportunity to flee immediately. After suffering the expected verbal abuse (like being called a goat... so Rurik is not the first, nor the last) I got back in my car and drove on my merry way.

    I guess this simply demonstrates that I belong to the third of my 3 categories of people:

    1. Those that mostly care about their world
    2. Those that mostly care about the next world; and
    3. Those that mostly care about this world

    called a goat… so Rurik is not the first

    Hey, that was a long time ago!

    and the only reason I said that was because you were trying to suggest- with a straight face- that World Trade Center building seven had imploded into its basement at free-fall speed due to a couple of minor office fires. You said something like ‘it’s too bad the sprinklers failed to work or that building would still be standing’. Remember that?

    I was convinced at the time that you were being less than sincere. I did not think it was possible for someone to actually believe that office fires could cause an obvious controlled demolition of a modern steel-frame building.

    I still find it almost impossible to believe. If you could believe that all the structural steel that was holding that building up vaporized instantly due to office fires, then I suppose you’ll believe anything.

    but then there are people who believe that they didn’t provide any evidence of Osama’s corpse due to their reverent sensitivity to the sensibilities of Muslims

    there are people who believe that we can’t be allowed to see the video’s of the jet that hit the Pentagon because it would be so hurtful that it would threaten national security

    there are people who believe that foisting and funding massive immigration of hostile Muslims into Europe will be a very good thing because “diversity is our strength!” and we all need to “celebrate multiculturalism’

    in short, it seems there are people who will believe virtually anything, no matter how brutally idiotic or patently insane. So since apparently you weren’t being dishonest when you made that quip about the fire sprinklers in building seven, (as I thought you were being), please allow me to apologize for calling you ‘goat’. It was ill-mannered of me to do so, since you were apparently (if astonishingly) being sincere. Being staggeringly and incomprehensibly gullible (as opposed to being an apologist for murderers) doesn’t make someone a bad person.

    • Replies: @geokat62

    ... please allow me to apologize for calling you ‘goat’.
     
    Apology accepted.


    ... and the only reason I said that was because you were trying to suggest- with a straight face- that World Trade Center building seven had imploded into its basement...

    Being staggeringly and incomprehensibly gullible...
     
    Rurik, I would be delighted to continue our debate about what brought down WTC 7... but only on one condition, you accept the RoE I proposed before:

    1. Each party is responsible for refraining from making any ad hominem attacks.

    2. If even one ad hominem attack is made in a particular post, the offended party should respond to the offending party by duly noting it and terminate any further engagement.

    3. By making an ad hominem attack in their post, the offending party is effectively declaring defeat.
     
    , @The most deplorable one
    I think that the Ark of the Covenant was hidden in WTC7, and that as a result of the Muslim attack on WTC1 and 2 it was forced to destroy WTC7 and teleport to Fort Knox to be with all the gold.
    , @Jonathan Revusky

    Being staggeringly and incomprehensibly gullible (as opposed to being an apologist for murderers) doesn’t make someone a bad person.
     
    Except that the smelly goat is not really that staggering gullible and is running cover for mass murderers.

    IOW, I'm not a theologian, but I think that being a minion of Satan kinda dies make one a bad person.
  72. @German_reader
    I'm not sure it will though, and in any case there is no replacement in sight that would be substantially better (Bavaria's Seehofer is too timid, and finance minister Schäuble is a Euromaniac, who thinks the solution is, as always, more European integration). Germany is simply insane, it's depressing how stupid people are here.

    What about Guttenberg? Is he forgiven yet for the derivative nature of his scholarship? And does he have a public position on the invasion?

    • Replies: @German_reader
    I have no idea what Guttenberg thinks about the current situation (as far as I know he's in "exile" in the US), and I wouldn't support his political comeback anyway because in my opinion his plagiarism and the way he handled it revealed major character flaws in the man. He's just a narcisstic showman who shouldn't be trusted with any power whatsoever. Unfortunately the quality of German politicians these days is pretty low, they're all stupid, mendacious, incompetent or flawed in some other way. And I can't really see a way out...the Christian Democrats will probably eventually shrink to 25-30% (that's about their core vote I'd say), but that still means they can always form a great coalition with the Social Democrats (or the latter form a far-left coalition with the Greens and the Linke) and permanently lock the right-wing AfD (the only ones consistently opposed to the current mess) out of power, just like in Sweden.
  73. @Clyde

    The Syrian Civil War was a primarily US sponsored project to weaponize their Islamist lackeys to break up Syria for make benefit of Israel.
     
    Absurd! State Dept and Obama despise Netnayahu. Likud party and Israel. Plus your link says zero about Israel. Now possibly we started in with trying to overthrow Assad because the Saudis and other Sunni oil producers demanded this help, plus they were arming ISIS for quite a while. Plus State hating Putin saw Assad as a Russian stooge.

    Just saying that blame for Syria's present situation lies in the centuries old Sunni-Shiite conflicts and wars. With the US coming down on the Sunni side. With Russia and Iran on the Assad-Alewite side. Alewite Islam is a Shiite offshoot/////

    Double Dealing_____June 14 2014
    America's Allies Are Funding ISIS
    The Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS), now threatening Baghdad, was funded for years by wealthy donors in (ALL ARE SUNNI MUSLIM NATIONS) Kuwait, Qatar, and Saudi Arabia, three U.S. allies that have dual agendas in the war on terror.

    The extremist group that is threatening the existence of the Iraqi state was built and grown for years with the help of elite donors from American supposed allies in the Persian Gulf region. There, the threat of Iran, Assad, and the Sunni-Shiite sectarian war trumps the U.S. goal of stability and moderation in the region.

    It’s an ironic twist, especially for donors in Kuwait (who, to be fair, back a wide variety of militias). ISIS has aligned itself with remnants of the Baathist regime once led by Saddam Hussein. Back in 1990, the U.S. attacked Iraq in order to liberate Kuwait from Hussein’s clutches. Now Kuwait is helping the rise of his successors.

    As ISIS takes over town after town in Iraq, they are acquiring money and supplies including American made vehicles, arms, and ammunition. The group reportedly scored $430 million this week when they looted the main bank in Mosul. They reportedly now have a stream of steady income sources, including from selling oil in the Northern Syrian regions they control, sometimes directly to the Assad regime. ______ http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/06/14/america-s-allies-are-funding-isis.html
     

    Israel keeps bombing Assad, and former Israeli ambassador to the US explicitly said that they prefer Islamists over Assad.

    But good hasbara on your part.

  74. @Jim Christian
    We got blown up in Boston by Muslims we support in this city the same way France got blown up by the Muslims they support in Paris. There is no yet, it's already happened and they're still here plotting the next B/S stunt. They are out there preparing. And there isn't a thing we can do about it because not only aren't we getting Muslims out, we're bring more in. Already the liberals are warning the racists like me not to point out the religion of peace as a factor even though the religion of peace claims credit. See, to liberals, it's just that bad-boy 1% of Muslims causing all the trouble. If only we could just be tolerant they would love us.

    We have to get used to the idea that until we surrender the country to them, we have to get blown up once in awhile. These are simple things. Paris will surrender, the French will leave Paris to Muslims one day. Muslims are willing to wipe us out, we are not willing to wipe them out. Strongman wins, checkmate and they aren't interested in the feminist multiculturalism of the West except for how easy it makes their "work". How's that feminist multi-cultural thing working, are we ready to abandon that? Until we do, they're going to rack up the "wins".

    We're surrendering our culture and country to them. It's not a Democrat thing it's white guilt. The French? They don't have to stomach to fight back any more than we do. If they did, they would have flushed Muslims out of their country. No, instead, there will be a migration out of Paris the same way there has been a migration of whites out of Detroit, DC, Baltimore, Atlanta, etc. We abandon our cities, we don't fight back. It's a surrender. Pretty simple, actually. Different cultures take over the cities here from the culture that will take over Paris, London and the rest over there in Europe, but cultures aside, it's the descendants of the same African continent. Simple Demographics and it has nothing to do with Democrats. It has to do with Culture vs. Culture. And ours is weaker than theirs. Until I see evidence to the contrary, this will not change. Perhaps Islam and Hispanics will wage war for supremacy, I don't know. It won't be whites and feminists, that's certain

    I see no hope, only a slightly different time line between the US and Europe, although if we import our enemy in greater numbers, we shorten the time line to surrender. But we aren't going to wage war on our own soil. They are willing, we are not. Strong culture wins. Bye bye, lights out.

    “Already the liberals are warning the racists like me not to point out the religion of peace as a factor even though the religion of peace claims credit. ”

    Precisely. Claims credit and fully deserves it.

    “See, to liberals, it’s just that bad-boy 1% of Muslims causing all the trouble. If only we could just be tolerant they would love us. ”

    He only hits me because he can’t express his love in any other way! Don’t you understand? Well, I do, and that makes me special, and willing to die to prove it.

    And this, THIS, is possibly the most important element in the entire thing from a population genetics perspective: the perceived attraction and reproductive fitness of bad boys.

    Look at those making excuses for these HEDs, and wanting to excuse their bad behavior and bring more in. They’re not all liberals, Jim. I know bible-beatin conservatives of both evangelical and mainstream religious traditions who do the same thing.

    When I see that much libido undergirding the desire to replace one’s own population with bad boys, that tells me that, in their heart of hearts, they want nothing more than to bear the children of bad boys. The idea of anyone being repulsed by that repulses them viscerally. They revel in things like Rotherham the same way they revel in Ferguson.

    Not all liberals and religious conservatives are like that; many are repulsed, but weak.

    That weakness is a strong factor, just as Stan replies here. But how can you chalk it up to “feminism” or “multiculturalism” without naming precisely, exactly which population genetic developed those ideologies?

    Stan chimes the death knell of white men (not white males, white MEN), and of the US, etc. I don’t see it that way.

    But white men do need to wise up some on the biological imperative regarding mating with bad brown boys. That isn’t a natural impulse, it was implanted in our people through 50+ years of media and cultural and policy tinkering by a relatively small bunch of people.

    I’ll go no further than that; we’ve discussed these matters at other places enough over the years that my opinions about it are well known.

  75. @JackOH
    I'm definitely a non-expert here, but the Assad statement sounds like an observation by Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn, who wrote for "National Review" decades ago. If my memory's okay, he wrote about the West's penchant for sheer bullpuckey. Don't like an authoritarian foreign government? Great. Tell your citizens it's suppressing democracy. Do you like that same foreign government? Tell your citizens it's an anode of stability. And on, and on, whipsawing popular and elite opinion any ol' which way.

    So you have morality, areas of behavior that developed to promote the survival of the ingroup:
    Care/harm: cherishing and protecting others.
    Fairness/cheating: rendering justice according to shared rules.
    Liberty/oppression: the loathing of tyranny.
    Loyalty/betrayal: standing with your group, family, nation.
    Authority/subversion: obeying tradition and legitimate authority.
    Sanctity/degradation: abhorrence for disgusting things, foods, actions.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_Foundations_Theory

    These are what your Lords and Masters manipulate to get people to be dupes.

    • Replies: @JackOH
    Yeah, thanks. FWIW-After 9/11, I got my first and only case of war fever. Foolishly, I thought the toppling of the Taliban satisfied the demands for American vengeance and national prestige. Then, mission creep in Afghanistan (for the sake of Pentagon careerists and corporate contractors?), and Gulf II with its never-ending ill consequences for the supposed victors. I'm old enough to know better, but it's astounding to me how the U. S. government has used the genuine sense of injury most Americans felt after 9/11 to write a blank check for military and political adventurism.

    Thanks for the Wikipedia reference.
  76. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    The US and it’s allies are supposed to be against ISIS and are even bombing and droning them. Yet ISIS continues to keep fighting. Does ISIS own an ammunition plant somewhere as well as some armaments factories? It seems they don’t yet somehow they keep getting more supplies even as they expend ammo. Who is supplying them? One of our ‘allies’? Ourselves? The story of them capturing supplies from others was used to explain how they came into possession of some of it but that’s worn thin by now. Stopping whoever is supplying them would be the logical way of cutting them off. So why hasn’t the US done that? Are we really serious about it or is some sort of murky double-game being played here?
    We never heard of ISIS until just a few or so years ago when they suddenly sprouted out of the ground, fully armed and having a leadership class. Now supposedly they’re everywhere from Egypt to France. Is this a centralized group, an umbrella under which there are many groups, a movement, what? They seem to have had quite a bit of resources at their disposal, pretty good for a group that seemingly came out of nowhere.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Banks in Iraq have denied any heist by IS having taken place when western media was busy promoting that version of events.
    But IS got the money. How? Something that may sound conspiratorial and absurd night be openly admitted oneday like Tenet is admitting that 911 warnings were not addressed by Bush, to Politico today.
    May be Saudis are giving he money.
    Money have gone missing from US's Iraqi administrative division.
    Another disconcerting but very questionable is the skill of IS fighter to set up shop in the middle of the desert and pump oil. Who taught them how to run an oil field?
    , @Bill Jones
    ISIS is merely the latest roll out of the CIA's Al Qaeda franchise, its foreign legion.

    Further offerings will be available as required.
  77. @Marais
    PS. I guess Wolfowitz wasn’t particularly inventive, though he took credit for the doctrine. Mann notes Cheney’s great interest in the document (in the original form).

    The 1992 draft Defense Planning Guidance (DPG), crafted by then-Defense Department staffers I. Lewis Libby, Paul Wolfowitz, and Zalmay Khalilzad, is widely regarded as an early formulation of the neoconservatives’ post-Cold War agenda. – See more at: http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/1992_Draft_Defense_Planning_Guidance#.dpuf

    So, I guess we were both right.

    • Replies: @Marais
    In the end they all drank the same kool-aid and sang the same tune. Cheney most of all.
  78. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Marais

    “...the tune has a certain Zionist ring to it.”
     
    Zionists benefit, but I think the American 1% (many not Jewish, nor Zionists) are more concerned with secure, double-digit investment returns now and in future. Maintaining the global dollar standard and our ability to print money is essential (did Saddam threaten to price his oil in euros?). Military power is not only vital, it’s a profitable investment for the same people (and war is great for business). Changing régimes into compliant vassals that can never threaten us serves those interests.

    Consider UTC, a major defense contractor. It negotiated $400 million in tax breaks for staying in Connecticut last year. Despite this tax coup, CEO Louis Chênevert (who made $26 million in 2013) announced his retirement that November. It later transpired that the UTC board thought he was spending too much time looking after construction of his new yacht in the far east. Chênevert departed with $32.3 million for 2014 plus an $184 million retirement package.

    Consider GE, another defense contractor. It threatened to ship jobs abroad unless the Export-Import Bank is reconstituted. It also threatens to leave Connecticut because of high taxes. It’s tax bill? $0 federal and $250 Connecticut. Like UTC, GE benefits from perpetual war.

    That doesn’t mean I give Zionism a pass (I don’t). I just think America should be examined, especially as a vote on TPP enters the agenda.

    Hey Marais,

    I agree with you 100% about the tick-like greed of the war pig gentiles who are legion, especially the traitorous scum like Dick Cheney or Tony Blair, who unlike corporate executive who’re paid to be greedy and are doing their jobs, POS like Blair betray their country and countrymen for a few contemptuous shekels tossed in their direction. (or in the case of Cheney, more than a few)

    but not to split hairs, I did want at least to point out that

    Changing régimes into compliant vassals that can never threaten us …

    none of the regimes we’ve toppled threatened us in the least. Afghanistan did not do 911. Nor did any of the regimes they’ve toppled. So when they did their ‘shock and awe’ and destroyed all of those countries and sent the Syrians (and everybody else in Africa) marching into Europe, none of any of that was done because those regimes threatened us or anyone else except for the Islamic extremists who Saddam and Gadaffi kept stomped down.

    But now that those Muslims are in Europe and here, and are understandably and justifiably pissed off, now we do face very real and very dire threats.

    just sayin’

    • Replies: @Marais

    “none of the regimes we’ve toppled threatened us in the least”
     
    True, though one could argue loosening sanctions on Saddam (which would have happened without war) could have led to oil quoted in euros. It's not necessarily the targets that are the prime objects of policy. The US enlisted ‘allies’ to join it in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Ukraine, and Syria. Lining up confederates (vassals) who are rewarded with spoils, as well as punishing those who fail to join, assures primacy.

    “But now that those Muslims are in Europe...”
     
    And that further weakens Europe (a potential rival to the US), as well as the euro.
    , @Jonathan Revusky

    But now that those Muslims are in Europe and here, and are understandably and justifiably pissed off, now we do face very real and very dire threats.
     
    Hi, Rurik.

    Can you think of any of these alleged "Islamist" terrorism incidents in which the Muslims were anything other than patsies? Maybe there was one or two. Maybe, but actually I think they have all been false flags or FBI entrapment operations or whatever.

    Now, don't get me wrong, there are common sense reasons not to let in massive immigration from the third world. The main reason is that if there's aren't enough jobs for your own indigenous working class (because you've outsourced all you industry...) what are you bringing in all these immigrants for? The whole Islam issue is thus, mostly a red herring, as far as I can see. There would be no reason to bring in all these immigrants even if they were all lily white Presbyterians...
  79. Priss Factor [AKA "The Priss Factory"] says: • Website

    Ziology + Ideology = Paris Attack.

    Ziology says “Give Zionist Jews everything they want.” If Jews want Gaddafi gone, get rid of him. If Jews want Syria destroyed, destroy it.
    This leads to mass migration to Europe and lots of angry Muslims in Europe.

    PC ideology says ‘all people are the same’ and ‘European values are universal’.
    So, Europeans, even as they serve Ziology that makes Muslims angry, welcome all these angry hordes from Muslim nations and all these black savages from Africa.

    Eventually, something has to give.

    Europeans need to reject Ziology, which must be pissed away by resurgent Eurology.
    And they need to reject the Ideology that downgrades their white identity.

    Otherwise, they will not survive.

    • Replies: @Drapetomaniac
    You are making a fundamental mistake: white people are not all-important.

    Only the brain* that is wired to create a peaceful advanced civilization is essential. Apparently whites are on the downward slope in terms of that.

    *a specific variant of the Asperger brain
  80. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Of course this is another false flag attack by the Cabal .. they know they time is coming to an end because The Event is near …
    The Event

    Earth and the inhabitants have been in 25,000 years of imprisonment and quarantine (black hole). We have been controlled and manipulated by the dark side – or as we call them, The Cabal. We are now to exit the black hole after 25,000 years of prison. Our planet is the last one in the galaxy to be liberated. This exit is the EVENT HORIZON, or THE EVENT. THE EVENT will be a moment of breakthrough for the planet which will be physical and non physical.

    THE EVENT is when the rising of the planetary frequencies will be accompanied by the planned mass arrests of the worldwide criminal cabal, politicians, big bankers and others who have committed numerous crimes against humanity. This will happen in a legal manner, and the accused will be given fair trials. As a result of this legal action there will be a worldwide reset of our financial system, or our energy and food production, our media, and the whole structure of society in general

    On the physical plane there will be:
    · The arrest of the Cabal (already started).
    · The re-set of the Financial Systems.
    · Disclosure – the release of ET information.
    · The beginning of a new, fair financial system with prosperity funds for all humanity.
    · NEW Government/Political system, Education system, Health care system, etc.
    · Awakening of humanity slowly and gradually to the existence of positive non-terrestrial races and our galactic connections.
    · Introduction of new advanced technologies.
    · The release of spiritual growth and healing for every human being on the planet.
    · There is much, much more to look forward to.

  81. @Kiza
    What to say... only that, false flag or not, this will be certainly used to create even more havoc in Syria. Condolences to the innocent Parisians killed by their own regime, in collaboration with US, UK and the boss of all, Israel.

    What innocent Parisians?

    Oh, you mean the less than 1% who aren’t government lovers. Maybe one person?

    Of the hundreds of millions who perished at the hands of government in the 20th century, only a couple of million were “innocents”. The rest were morons wired to play with fire.

  82. @5371
    What about Guttenberg? Is he forgiven yet for the derivative nature of his scholarship? And does he have a public position on the invasion?

    I have no idea what Guttenberg thinks about the current situation (as far as I know he’s in “exile” in the US), and I wouldn’t support his political comeback anyway because in my opinion his plagiarism and the way he handled it revealed major character flaws in the man. He’s just a narcisstic showman who shouldn’t be trusted with any power whatsoever. Unfortunately the quality of German politicians these days is pretty low, they’re all stupid, mendacious, incompetent or flawed in some other way. And I can’t really see a way out…the Christian Democrats will probably eventually shrink to 25-30% (that’s about their core vote I’d say), but that still means they can always form a great coalition with the Social Democrats (or the latter form a far-left coalition with the Greens and the Linke) and permanently lock the right-wing AfD (the only ones consistently opposed to the current mess) out of power, just like in Sweden.

  83. @Priss Factor
    Ziology + Ideology = Paris Attack.

    Ziology says "Give Zionist Jews everything they want." If Jews want Gaddafi gone, get rid of him. If Jews want Syria destroyed, destroy it.
    This leads to mass migration to Europe and lots of angry Muslims in Europe.

    PC ideology says 'all people are the same' and 'European values are universal'.
    So, Europeans, even as they serve Ziology that makes Muslims angry, welcome all these angry hordes from Muslim nations and all these black savages from Africa.

    Eventually, something has to give.

    Europeans need to reject Ziology, which must be pissed away by resurgent Eurology.
    And they need to reject the Ideology that downgrades their white identity.

    Otherwise, they will not survive.

    You are making a fundamental mistake: white people are not all-important.

    Only the brain* that is wired to create a peaceful advanced civilization is essential. Apparently whites are on the downward slope in terms of that.

    *a specific variant of the Asperger brain

  84. @Marais

    “...refute what M&W wrote about Syria , in their book The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy...”
     
    M&W are great, but they don’t really address US motives shorn of Israel. Is the US so slavishly manipulated by AIPAC, or are there US interests that use Israel as a proxy?

    Turn the clock back to late 1991 and the break up of the USSR: a catastrophic threat to the Pentagon budget (Edward Kennedy called for a $210 billion seven-year cut). The first post-USSR Defense Planning Guidance draft came out 18 Feb 1992. Authored by Zalmay Khalizad , it called for robust unilateralism and global military pre-emption. It was toned-down after criticism, but those further up the DoD chain took note: Scooter Libby, Paul Wolfowitz and (most important) Dick Cheney.

    Perle’s ‘Clean Break’ (1996), PNAC (1997), and demands for Iraqi régime change (1998) followed in the Clinton years. Neocon contributions were nurtured by AEI and people like Cheney, then CEO of defense/oil services contractor Halliburton. Many of the same players re-emerged with GWB in 2001.

    Who (Israel/US) was/is using who? Those who can get away with making faulty $100+ million planes and $400,000 pilot helmets, no-bid oil contracts, and other multinationals probably have the lion share of influence. Israel benefits, but it’s along for the ride.

    What’s the plan? It may be an American global retread of Oded Yinon’s 'A Strategy for Israel in the Nineteen Eighties' (Feb 1982): http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/pdf/The%20Zionist%20Plan%20for%20the%20Middle%20East.pdf

    Zalmay like Chalabi were nurture and cultivated by the Neocons from 60s and 70s
    Zalmay still could not be trusted by neocons and was passed over when a possibility arose that he could go to Iraq “as proconsul”

    • Replies: @Marais
    Even Jay Garner didn’t measure up. Only Paul Bremer could dependably disband the army and Bathist party to put a lot of pissed-off, armed, jobless Iraqis on the street.
  85. @annamaria
    Thank you for the fact-supported response

    Welcome

  86. @Ronald Thomas West
    Online @ http://ronaldthomaswest.com/2015/11/13/friday-the-13th-in-paris/

    “We've seen an outrageous attempt to terrorize innocent civilians, this is an attack not just on Paris, it is an attack not just on the people of France, but it is an attack on all of humanity and the universal values we share” -Barack Obama

    Why didn’t Obama, Hollande and company consider their making possible the rise of Islamic State as a device to overthrow Assad as “an outrageous attempt to terrorize innocent civilians [and] an attack on all of humanity and the universal values we share” ??

    https://www.scribd.com/doc/268764979/DIA-assessment-public-domain


    Speaking directly to the above linked intelligence report, enabling the rise of Islamic State, according to the former boss of the Defense Intelligence Agency General Mike Flynn (speaking to al-Jazeera) “was a willful policy decision”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SG3j8OYKgn4

    --

    “We’ve seen an outrageous attempt to terrorize innocent civilians, this is an attack not just on Paris, it is an attack not just on the people of France, but it is an attack on all of humanity and the universal values we share” -Barack Obama

    Wrong – this is attack on liberalism by Islam and it the result of the actions of Muslims and liberals. As a particularist it has nothing to do with me.

    • Replies: @K
    Yes,you are right .But start from home. Iraq was attacked by Australia and that was an attack on Muslim by those who conjure up liberalism in successful destroying other countries .
    Hey ,that country was in Vietnam also.
    , @Ronald Thomas West
    Dumbo, the quote was to point out the pure hypocrisy of the man who stated it; regardless.
    , @dfordoom

    “We’ve seen an outrageous attempt to terrorize innocent civilians, this is an attack not just on Paris, it is an attack not just on the people of France, but it is an attack on all of humanity and the universal values we share” -Barack Obama

    Wrong – this is attack on liberalism by Islam and it the result of the actions of Muslims and liberals. As a particularist it has nothing to do with me.
     
    I'm always nervous when people spout that "universal values" nonsense. It always sounds kinda like a soft fluffy form of totalitarianism to me.
  87. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous
    The US and it's allies are supposed to be against ISIS and are even bombing and droning them. Yet ISIS continues to keep fighting. Does ISIS own an ammunition plant somewhere as well as some armaments factories? It seems they don't yet somehow they keep getting more supplies even as they expend ammo. Who is supplying them? One of our 'allies'? Ourselves? The story of them capturing supplies from others was used to explain how they came into possession of some of it but that's worn thin by now. Stopping whoever is supplying them would be the logical way of cutting them off. So why hasn't the US done that? Are we really serious about it or is some sort of murky double-game being played here?
    We never heard of ISIS until just a few or so years ago when they suddenly sprouted out of the ground, fully armed and having a leadership class. Now supposedly they're everywhere from Egypt to France. Is this a centralized group, an umbrella under which there are many groups, a movement, what? They seem to have had quite a bit of resources at their disposal, pretty good for a group that seemingly came out of nowhere.

    Banks in Iraq have denied any heist by IS having taken place when western media was busy promoting that version of events.
    But IS got the money. How? Something that may sound conspiratorial and absurd night be openly admitted oneday like Tenet is admitting that 911 warnings were not addressed by Bush, to Politico today.
    May be Saudis are giving he money.
    Money have gone missing from US’s Iraqi administrative division.
    Another disconcerting but very questionable is the skill of IS fighter to set up shop in the middle of the desert and pump oil. Who taught them how to run an oil field?

  88. @Anonymous
    Hey Marais,

    I agree with you 100% about the tick-like greed of the war pig gentiles who are legion, especially the traitorous scum like Dick Cheney or Tony Blair, who unlike corporate executive who're paid to be greedy and are doing their jobs, POS like Blair betray their country and countrymen for a few contemptuous shekels tossed in their direction. (or in the case of Cheney, more than a few)

    but not to split hairs, I did want at least to point out that

    Changing régimes into compliant vassals that can never threaten us ...
     
    none of the regimes we've toppled threatened us in the least. Afghanistan did not do 911. Nor did any of the regimes they've toppled. So when they did their 'shock and awe' and destroyed all of those countries and sent the Syrians (and everybody else in Africa) marching into Europe, none of any of that was done because those regimes threatened us or anyone else except for the Islamic extremists who Saddam and Gadaffi kept stomped down.

    But now that those Muslims are in Europe and here, and are understandably and justifiably pissed off, now we do face very real and very dire threats.

    just sayin'

    “none of the regimes we’ve toppled threatened us in the least”

    True, though one could argue loosening sanctions on Saddam (which would have happened without war) could have led to oil quoted in euros. It’s not necessarily the targets that are the prime objects of policy. The US enlisted ‘allies’ to join it in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Ukraine, and Syria. Lining up confederates (vassals) who are rewarded with spoils, as well as punishing those who fail to join, assures primacy.

    “But now that those Muslims are in Europe…”

    And that further weakens Europe (a potential rival to the US), as well as the euro.

    • Replies: @geokat62

    True, though one could argue loosening sanctions on Saddam (which would have happened without war) could have led to oil quoted in euros.
     
    Are those the same sanctions that led to the death of 500,000 innocent children? I trust you're not "one who would argue (for) loosening" them.
  89. @unpc downunder
    “We’ve seen an outrageous attempt to terrorize innocent civilians, this is an attack not just on Paris, it is an attack not just on the people of France, but it is an attack on all of humanity and the universal values we share” -Barack Obama

    Wrong - this is attack on liberalism by Islam and it the result of the actions of Muslims and liberals. As a particularist it has nothing to do with me.

    Yes,you are right .But start from home. Iraq was attacked by Australia and that was an attack on Muslim by those who conjure up liberalism in successful destroying other countries .
    Hey ,that country was in Vietnam also.

  90. Priss Factor [AKA "The Priss Factory"] says: • Website

    While these Muslim Jihadis are nuts, white folks need to learn something from them.

    They sure know how to fight and die for what they believe in.

    Are there white folks with such will and conviction?

    Terrorism is crazy and wrong, but white folks need to feel the rage and hate once again.

    Hate is the fuel of power. Without it, there is no more motive to fight and win.

    That is why Jews try to ban ‘hate’ in the minds of whites(except hate for the self).

    • Replies: @Sherman
    I think all the "rage and hate" in you prevents you from being gainfully employed.
  91. Geopolitically speaking:

    The ME/Muslim issues are the move by the US to checkmate the EU;

    The South/East China Sea issues are the move by the US to checkmate China;

    Ukraine issues are the move by the US to checkmate Russia.

    The rest issues in the world are trivial non-issues, except some “just-in-time” crashes of civilian airlines of Malaysia(—>China), Germany and Russia.

  92. @KA
    Zalmay like Chalabi were nurture and cultivated by the Neocons from 60s and 70s
    Zalmay still could not be trusted by neocons and was passed over when a possibility arose that he could go to Iraq "as proconsul"

    Even Jay Garner didn’t measure up. Only Paul Bremer could dependably disband the army and Bathist party to put a lot of pissed-off, armed, jobless Iraqis on the street.

  93. @unpc downunder
    “We’ve seen an outrageous attempt to terrorize innocent civilians, this is an attack not just on Paris, it is an attack not just on the people of France, but it is an attack on all of humanity and the universal values we share” -Barack Obama

    Wrong - this is attack on liberalism by Islam and it the result of the actions of Muslims and liberals. As a particularist it has nothing to do with me.

    Dumbo, the quote was to point out the pure hypocrisy of the man who stated it; regardless.

  94. @geokat62

    The 1992 draft Defense Planning Guidance (DPG), crafted by then-Defense Department staffers I. Lewis Libby, Paul Wolfowitz, and Zalmay Khalilzad, is widely regarded as an early formulation of the neoconservatives' post-Cold War agenda. - See more at: http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/1992_Draft_Defense_Planning_Guidance#.dpuf
     
    So, I guess we were both right.

    In the end they all drank the same kool-aid and sang the same tune. Cheney most of all.

  95. @Jim Christian
    We got blown up in Boston by Muslims we support in this city the same way France got blown up by the Muslims they support in Paris. There is no yet, it's already happened and they're still here plotting the next B/S stunt. They are out there preparing. And there isn't a thing we can do about it because not only aren't we getting Muslims out, we're bring more in. Already the liberals are warning the racists like me not to point out the religion of peace as a factor even though the religion of peace claims credit. See, to liberals, it's just that bad-boy 1% of Muslims causing all the trouble. If only we could just be tolerant they would love us.

    We have to get used to the idea that until we surrender the country to them, we have to get blown up once in awhile. These are simple things. Paris will surrender, the French will leave Paris to Muslims one day. Muslims are willing to wipe us out, we are not willing to wipe them out. Strongman wins, checkmate and they aren't interested in the feminist multiculturalism of the West except for how easy it makes their "work". How's that feminist multi-cultural thing working, are we ready to abandon that? Until we do, they're going to rack up the "wins".

    We're surrendering our culture and country to them. It's not a Democrat thing it's white guilt. The French? They don't have to stomach to fight back any more than we do. If they did, they would have flushed Muslims out of their country. No, instead, there will be a migration out of Paris the same way there has been a migration of whites out of Detroit, DC, Baltimore, Atlanta, etc. We abandon our cities, we don't fight back. It's a surrender. Pretty simple, actually. Different cultures take over the cities here from the culture that will take over Paris, London and the rest over there in Europe, but cultures aside, it's the descendants of the same African continent. Simple Demographics and it has nothing to do with Democrats. It has to do with Culture vs. Culture. And ours is weaker than theirs. Until I see evidence to the contrary, this will not change. Perhaps Islam and Hispanics will wage war for supremacy, I don't know. It won't be whites and feminists, that's certain

    I see no hope, only a slightly different time line between the US and Europe, although if we import our enemy in greater numbers, we shorten the time line to surrender. But we aren't going to wage war on our own soil. They are willing, we are not. Strong culture wins. Bye bye, lights out.

    “We got blown up in Boston by Muslims we support in this city the same way France got blown up by the Muslims they support in Paris.”

    The US deserves the same percentage of civilian deaths domestically as it inflicts on other countries. That would be 10 million dead just for the war of aggression against Iraq.

    How many million pressure cooker bombs would that take, Clueless Jim?

  96. When Hollande declares “This is War”
    What did he think bombing Damascus was?
    What did he think would happen?

    The corporate media whores have conveniently forgotten about Hollande’s war crimes.

    • Replies: @KA
    The same media that find Trump not electable and tells us Hilary won the debate over Bernie .The same media who probes Hilary's e mail scandal and never asks why she had to fire e mail about Libya at the first place or what the ambassador was involved and why he was invilved with.
    Hollande sees war . What have the Libyan seen after 2011 every day of their lives?
  97. @5371
    I would have expected last night's terrorists to be North Africans, perhaps with a black or two. But there are now several reports that a Syrian passport was found on one of them. Could they actually be some of Mother Childless's adorable little tykes in person?

    You do realize Hollande was bombing Damascus, don’t you?

    What did he think would happen.

    • Replies: @This Is Our Home

    You do realize Hollande was bombing Damascus, don’t you?

    What did he think would happen.
     
    It could never have happened if France hadn't allowed those Muslims in.
  98. @Marais

    “none of the regimes we’ve toppled threatened us in the least”
     
    True, though one could argue loosening sanctions on Saddam (which would have happened without war) could have led to oil quoted in euros. It's not necessarily the targets that are the prime objects of policy. The US enlisted ‘allies’ to join it in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Ukraine, and Syria. Lining up confederates (vassals) who are rewarded with spoils, as well as punishing those who fail to join, assures primacy.

    “But now that those Muslims are in Europe...”
     
    And that further weakens Europe (a potential rival to the US), as well as the euro.

    True, though one could argue loosening sanctions on Saddam (which would have happened without war) could have led to oil quoted in euros.

    Are those the same sanctions that led to the death of 500,000 innocent children? I trust you’re not “one who would argue (for) loosening” them.

    • Replies: @Marais

    Are those the same sanctions that led to the death of 500,000 innocent children? I trust you’re not “one who would argue (for) loosening” them.
     
    I’m not sure I understand your question.

    Generally I prefer sanctions (when justified) to war. In this case the sanctions were part of a larger neocon strategy to remove Saddam. I don’t believe they were warranted: Saddam was largely disarmed. The half million deaths and Albright’s “We think the price is worth it” were criminal.

    On the other hand, if you think sanctions would have endured past 2003 I have a more lengthy response.
  99. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @Anonymous
    Sorry, forgot to provide link to Col. Pat Lang's blog: http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2015/11/jingoism-and-the-american-mind.html

    Not to worry. duckduckgo.com found it.

  100. @Bill Jones
    When Hollande declares "This is War"
    What did he think bombing Damascus was?
    What did he think would happen?

    The corporate media whores have conveniently forgotten about Hollande's war crimes.

    The same media that find Trump not electable and tells us Hilary won the debate over Bernie .The same media who probes Hilary’s e mail scandal and never asks why she had to fire e mail about Libya at the first place or what the ambassador was involved and why he was invilved with.
    Hollande sees war . What have the Libyan seen after 2011 every day of their lives?

  101. @SolontoCroesus

    if there’s anything like accountability for politicians left, it should kill Merkel’s chancellorship.
     
    silver lining


    ---

    Has Bibi purchased his plane tickets to Paris yet?
    Will the little missus be along to get in some Hannukah shopping in the City of Lights?

    he had already purchased his ticket last week

  102. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:

    I look forward to seeing a competition between Western armament and Russian armament in Syria.

    Russia seems to have it supply routes through Iran and Iraq secured.

    It should be interesting to see how Russian equipment compares with Western equipment.

  103. The regime change in Syria was a ‘Israeli Project’ from day one.

    On July 4, 2011, a conference of Syrian anti-regime groups was held in Saint-Germain in France. The meeting was attended by 200 people representing none of the Syrian groups calling for reforms in Syria – the ‘Democratic change in Syria’. The meeting was organized by La Regle du Jeu (The Rule of the Game) magazine and website which is headed by Zionist Jew Bernard-Henri Levy. The other Zionist Jews who attended the meeting included Bernard Kouchner, former French foreign minister, Frederik Ansel, a member of Israel’s ruling Likud Party, Alex Goldfarb, former Knesset member and adviser to Israeli defense minister Ehud Barak and Andre Glucksmann, an Islamophobe French writer.

    After the destruction of Africa’s richest country and most secularist regime in Libya, Bernard-Henri Levy, told a meeting of French Jewish Lobby CRIF, that he convinced French president Nicolas Sarkozy to remove Qaddafi because had become a threat to the security of Israel.

    http://rehmat1.com/2011/07/08/israeli-conference-on-syria/

    • Agree: Kiza
  104. Ezra Klein, Salon, The Guardian… These are no cucks, Mr. Karlin. They’re something worse than that.

  105. @Rurik

    called a goat… so Rurik is not the first
     
    Hey, that was a long time ago!

    and the only reason I said that was because you were trying to suggest- with a straight face- that World Trade Center building seven had imploded into its basement at free-fall speed due to a couple of minor office fires. You said something like 'it's too bad the sprinklers failed to work or that building would still be standing'. Remember that?

    I was convinced at the time that you were being less than sincere. I did not think it was possible for someone to actually believe that office fires could cause an obvious controlled demolition of a modern steel-frame building.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mamvq7LWqRU

    I still find it almost impossible to believe. If you could believe that all the structural steel that was holding that building up vaporized instantly due to office fires, then I suppose you'll believe anything.

    but then there are people who believe that they didn't provide any evidence of Osama's corpse due to their reverent sensitivity to the sensibilities of Muslims

    there are people who believe that we can't be allowed to see the video's of the jet that hit the Pentagon because it would be so hurtful that it would threaten national security

    there are people who believe that foisting and funding massive immigration of hostile Muslims into Europe will be a very good thing because "diversity is our strength!" and we all need to "celebrate multiculturalism'

    in short, it seems there are people who will believe virtually anything, no matter how brutally idiotic or patently insane. So since apparently you weren't being dishonest when you made that quip about the fire sprinklers in building seven, (as I thought you were being), please allow me to apologize for calling you 'goat'. It was ill-mannered of me to do so, since you were apparently (if astonishingly) being sincere. Being staggeringly and incomprehensibly gullible (as opposed to being an apologist for murderers) doesn't make someone a bad person.

    … please allow me to apologize for calling you ‘goat’.

    Apology accepted.

    … and the only reason I said that was because you were trying to suggest- with a straight face- that World Trade Center building seven had imploded into its basement…

    Being staggeringly and incomprehensibly gullible…

    Rurik, I would be delighted to continue our debate about what brought down WTC 7… but only on one condition, you accept the RoE I proposed before:

    1. Each party is responsible for refraining from making any ad hominem attacks.

    2. If even one ad hominem attack is made in a particular post, the offended party should respond to the offending party by duly noting it and terminate any further engagement.

    3. By making an ad hominem attack in their post, the offending party is effectively declaring defeat.

  106. @Macilrae

    at least the guys in the Pentagon should be realistic and well-informed enough to put the damper on any such adventurist nonsense
     
    Trouble is, these blokes are hand-picked by the neocons - most of the former dissenters have been weeded out.

    It would take a couple of hours to produce a list of a few thousand people who under no circumstances should be allowed to land or overfly any country which doesn’t want to be enslaved.

    Insane McCain and little Linda Graham would head the list.

  107. @Priss Factor
    While these Muslim Jihadis are nuts, white folks need to learn something from them.

    They sure know how to fight and die for what they believe in.

    Are there white folks with such will and conviction?

    Terrorism is crazy and wrong, but white folks need to feel the rage and hate once again.

    Hate is the fuel of power. Without it, there is no more motive to fight and win.

    That is why Jews try to ban 'hate' in the minds of whites(except hate for the self).

    I think all the “rage and hate” in you prevents you from being gainfully employed.

    • Replies: @Priss Factor
    You mean 'gainfully employed' like all those National Review cucks who suck up to Zionists and homos?

    In America, you are blacklisted and destroyed unless you're full of blind & slavish LOVE for Jews, Homos, and Negroes. But such employment is a form of slavery for you must serve the masters who are out to destroy your history, people, and land.

  108. Priss Factor [AKA "The Priss Factory"] says: • Website

    Are we back to Weimar once again?

    A storm coming?

    ————–

    By the way, if what had happened in the Middle East and Libya since 2003 had happened in Europe, historians would have called it World War III.

    We’ve seen an utter destruction of much of the Middle East thanks to Zio-globalism.

    And this hell is spilling over into Europe.

    Europeans who allowed their governments to do this the Middle East almost deserve the hell they are suffering.

    When Hitler was messing up Poland and Russia, most Germans just lived their nice little lives. Eventually, the war came home to Germany itself.

    Europeans and Americans have been acting the same way while the Jewish Supremacists have been using Western power to lay entire regions to waste.
    They’ve been glibly ignoring all the suffering caused in the Middle East by the wicked machinations of Neocons and Liberal Zionists and their cuck puppets.

    We’ve all been made accessories to global horror and evil.

    We must stop all Wars for Israel. End them all and get out of the Middle East. And then, the West should close its borders.

    • Replies: @geokat62

    We must stop all Wars for Israel. End them all and get out of the Middle East. And then, the West should close its borders.
     
    I concur, completely.

    BTW - from this point on, I am going to take a page from the Roman statesman, Cato the Elder, and end each of my comments with a variation on his famous phrase, Delenda est Carthago:

    Leading members of the George W Bush administration along with Blair and the leading neocons/Israel firsters must be brought to justice. The names of the leading neocon figures are:

    Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Douglas Feith, Lewis Scooter Libby, Michael Ledeen, The Kagan clan, including Victoria Nudelman, The Kristol clan, The Podhoretz clan, Elliot Abrams, Eliot A. Cohen, Charles Krauthammer, David Frum, John Bolton, Jennifer Rubin, Joshua Muravchik, Michael Rubin, Daniel Pipes, Marc Grossman, James Woolsey, Rudy Giuliani, Newt Gingrich.
     
    NB - the list of leading neocons/Israel firsters is not a final one and is, therefore, subject to change.
  109. @Priss Factor
    Are we back to Weimar once again?

    A storm coming?

    https://youtu.be/R2nIe1G6R1s?t=7m39s

    --------------

    By the way, if what had happened in the Middle East and Libya since 2003 had happened in Europe, historians would have called it World War III.

    We've seen an utter destruction of much of the Middle East thanks to Zio-globalism.

    And this hell is spilling over into Europe.

    Europeans who allowed their governments to do this the Middle East almost deserve the hell they are suffering.

    When Hitler was messing up Poland and Russia, most Germans just lived their nice little lives. Eventually, the war came home to Germany itself.

    Europeans and Americans have been acting the same way while the Jewish Supremacists have been using Western power to lay entire regions to waste.
    They've been glibly ignoring all the suffering caused in the Middle East by the wicked machinations of Neocons and Liberal Zionists and their cuck puppets.

    We've all been made accessories to global horror and evil.

    We must stop all Wars for Israel. End them all and get out of the Middle East. And then, the West should close its borders.

    We must stop all Wars for Israel. End them all and get out of the Middle East. And then, the West should close its borders.

    I concur, completely.

    BTW – from this point on, I am going to take a page from the Roman statesman, Cato the Elder, and end each of my comments with a variation on his famous phrase, Delenda est Carthago:

    Leading members of the George W Bush administration along with Blair and the leading neocons/Israel firsters must be brought to justice. The names of the leading neocon figures are:

    Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Douglas Feith, Lewis Scooter Libby, Michael Ledeen, The Kagan clan, including Victoria Nudelman, The Kristol clan, The Podhoretz clan, Elliot Abrams, Eliot A. Cohen, Charles Krauthammer, David Frum, John Bolton, Jennifer Rubin, Joshua Muravchik, Michael Rubin, Daniel Pipes, Marc Grossman, James Woolsey, Rudy Giuliani, Newt Gingrich.

    NB – the list of leading neocons/Israel firsters is not a final one and is, therefore, subject to change.

    • Replies: @geokat62
    Oh, I almost forgot to add the name of the leading Christian Zionist to this list, the inimitable Pastor John Hagee.
  110. Priss Factor [AKA "The Priss Factory"] says: • Website
    @Sherman
    I think all the "rage and hate" in you prevents you from being gainfully employed.

    You mean ‘gainfully employed’ like all those National Review cucks who suck up to Zionists and homos?

    In America, you are blacklisted and destroyed unless you’re full of blind & slavish LOVE for Jews, Homos, and Negroes. But such employment is a form of slavery for you must serve the masters who are out to destroy your history, people, and land.

    • Replies: @Sherman
    Just as I thought. You're unemployed.
  111. @geokat62

    We must stop all Wars for Israel. End them all and get out of the Middle East. And then, the West should close its borders.
     
    I concur, completely.

    BTW - from this point on, I am going to take a page from the Roman statesman, Cato the Elder, and end each of my comments with a variation on his famous phrase, Delenda est Carthago:

    Leading members of the George W Bush administration along with Blair and the leading neocons/Israel firsters must be brought to justice. The names of the leading neocon figures are:

    Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Douglas Feith, Lewis Scooter Libby, Michael Ledeen, The Kagan clan, including Victoria Nudelman, The Kristol clan, The Podhoretz clan, Elliot Abrams, Eliot A. Cohen, Charles Krauthammer, David Frum, John Bolton, Jennifer Rubin, Joshua Muravchik, Michael Rubin, Daniel Pipes, Marc Grossman, James Woolsey, Rudy Giuliani, Newt Gingrich.
     
    NB - the list of leading neocons/Israel firsters is not a final one and is, therefore, subject to change.

    Oh, I almost forgot to add the name of the leading Christian Zionist to this list, the inimitable Pastor John Hagee.

    • Replies: @Stan
    Don't forget Pat Robertson and his clan, whose media empire serve as the propaganda arm of the neocons.
  112. @Priss Factor
    You mean 'gainfully employed' like all those National Review cucks who suck up to Zionists and homos?

    In America, you are blacklisted and destroyed unless you're full of blind & slavish LOVE for Jews, Homos, and Negroes. But such employment is a form of slavery for you must serve the masters who are out to destroy your history, people, and land.

    Just as I thought. You’re unemployed.

    • Replies: @Priss Factor
    I really will be if I out myself, you dufus.

    We live in a time when those who speak the truth cannot work.
    , @5371
    The strength of someone's arguments and the quality of his prose don't depend on his employment status, Honey Butt Cheeks Sherm.
    , @Lion o' Zion
    Of course they are, Sherman. Have you ever met a rabid judeophobe that wasn't an unemployed alcoholic on disability for 'vaguely defined back pain'?
  113. @geokat62
    Oh, I almost forgot to add the name of the leading Christian Zionist to this list, the inimitable Pastor John Hagee.

    Don’t forget Pat Robertson and his clan, whose media empire serve as the propaganda arm of the neocons.

    • Replies: @geokat62
    Thanks, Stan... duly noted.
    , @geokat62
    Apologies. I should have written:

    Thanks, Stan… duly noted.


    P.S. Leading members of the George W Bush administration along with Blair and the leading neocons/Israel firsters must be brought to justice. The names of the leading neocon figures are:

    Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Douglas Feith, Lewis Scooter Libby, Michael Ledeen, The Kagan clan, including Victoria Nudelman, The Kristol clan, The Podhoretz clan, John Hagee, Pat Robertson, Elliot Abrams, Eliot A. Cohen, Charles Krauthammer, David Frum, John Bolton, Jennifer Rubin, Joshua Muravchik, Michael Rubin, Daniel Pipes, Marc Grossman, James Woolsey, Rudy Giuliani, Newt Gingrich.
  114. @Stan
    Don't forget Pat Robertson and his clan, whose media empire serve as the propaganda arm of the neocons.

    Thanks, Stan… duly noted.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
    EWTN, the rabid right-wing Catholic media empire was started by Mother Angelica with help from Pat Robertson.

    add to list s’il vous plait
  115. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    The EU just imposed origin labeling for Isreali goods from occupied areas. This may have been part of the response.

    Keep in mi d that before Hebdo there was a lot of Palesinian sympathy coming out of France. After these two false flags it looks like the Zionists may have been successful in reversing that trend.

    • Replies: @annamaria
    a comment on Saker site:
    "Deputy Chief of Staff of the Iranian Armed Forces Brigadier General Massoud Jazzayeri warned Washington and its European allies not to replay the September 11 theatre to pressure and attack Muslims by misusing the Friday night’s terrorist events in Paris.
    “The French people paid the price for their government’s support for the ISIL and the Takfiri terrorism,” he said.
    Jazzayeri warned the US and its allies against misusing the Paris events to attack and pressure the Muslim states like what they did against Afghanistan and Iraq after the 9/11 attacks in 2001 and 2003, and said Iran had many times warned that certain European countries’ support for the terrorists will backfire on their advocates one day.
    He also referred to the Thursday terrorist attack in Beirut which killed over 40 people, and said, “The Paris and Beirut blasts are the two sides of the same coin and the international community expects the supporters of Takfiri terrorists, specially the US, France and other western governments, to give up their discriminatory approach and behavior and adopt a common and united position on these crimes.”
    The Iranian officials strongly condemned the attacks and called for overall and serious fight against terrorism.
    Iranian President Hassan Rouhani in a message to his French counterpart François Hollande extended his condolences on the killing of people in a series of bombings and shootings in Paris, and reiterated the need for collective efforts to fight against terrorism.
    “I, on behalf of the great Iranian nation, which itself has been one of the victims of the ominous phenomenon of terrorism, strongly condemn these anti-human crimes and extend my condolences to the bereaved nation and government of France,” President Rouhani said in his message on Saturday morning."
    He expressed deep regret over the killing and wounding of a large number of innocent people in Paris, and said, “Undoubtedly, the world’s most important message in such events is more serious will and determination to launch overall fight against the terrorist groups.”

    Sobering.
  116. @Stan
    Don't forget Pat Robertson and his clan, whose media empire serve as the propaganda arm of the neocons.

    Apologies. I should have written:

    Thanks, Stan… duly noted.

    P.S. Leading members of the George W Bush administration along with Blair and the leading neocons/Israel firsters must be brought to justice. The names of the leading neocon figures are:

    Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Douglas Feith, Lewis Scooter Libby, Michael Ledeen, The Kagan clan, including Victoria Nudelman, The Kristol clan, The Podhoretz clan, John Hagee, Pat Robertson, Elliot Abrams, Eliot A. Cohen, Charles Krauthammer, David Frum, John Bolton, Jennifer Rubin, Joshua Muravchik, Michael Rubin, Daniel Pipes, Marc Grossman, James Woolsey, Rudy Giuliani, Newt Gingrich.

  117. @Clyde
    The Evangelicals were a lot more muscular in Jerry Falwell's era. Some have become wimpy the way you describe. Same as the Mormons who used to be very conservative and were known for their rock ribbed Republicanism 50 years ago. I have even heard of Evangelicals who have bought into global warming and will support the Democrats on that nonsense.

    All are up to their necks in Fedgov race replacement project importing Africans and Arabs by the boatload and inflicting them on places like Minneapolis, Salt Lake City, etc.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    You speak plainly and accurately. You are more strident than me but I think along the same lines as your posts. Good points about the abdication of Christianity today. Why? So they can all feel good about themselves with zero consideration of the future this is making for their offspring and generations down the road. I don't think they are intelligent enough to think that far ahead plus they are blinded by those feel good emotions.
    Obviously this is the age of immediate gratification (emotional), long range thinking (intellectual) is out the window.
    "Where there is no vision, the people perish: but he that keepeth the law, happy is he."
  118. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @Rurik

    called a goat… so Rurik is not the first
     
    Hey, that was a long time ago!

    and the only reason I said that was because you were trying to suggest- with a straight face- that World Trade Center building seven had imploded into its basement at free-fall speed due to a couple of minor office fires. You said something like 'it's too bad the sprinklers failed to work or that building would still be standing'. Remember that?

    I was convinced at the time that you were being less than sincere. I did not think it was possible for someone to actually believe that office fires could cause an obvious controlled demolition of a modern steel-frame building.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mamvq7LWqRU

    I still find it almost impossible to believe. If you could believe that all the structural steel that was holding that building up vaporized instantly due to office fires, then I suppose you'll believe anything.

    but then there are people who believe that they didn't provide any evidence of Osama's corpse due to their reverent sensitivity to the sensibilities of Muslims

    there are people who believe that we can't be allowed to see the video's of the jet that hit the Pentagon because it would be so hurtful that it would threaten national security

    there are people who believe that foisting and funding massive immigration of hostile Muslims into Europe will be a very good thing because "diversity is our strength!" and we all need to "celebrate multiculturalism'

    in short, it seems there are people who will believe virtually anything, no matter how brutally idiotic or patently insane. So since apparently you weren't being dishonest when you made that quip about the fire sprinklers in building seven, (as I thought you were being), please allow me to apologize for calling you 'goat'. It was ill-mannered of me to do so, since you were apparently (if astonishingly) being sincere. Being staggeringly and incomprehensibly gullible (as opposed to being an apologist for murderers) doesn't make someone a bad person.

    I think that the Ark of the Covenant was hidden in WTC7, and that as a result of the Muslim attack on WTC1 and 2 it was forced to destroy WTC7 and teleport to Fort Knox to be with all the gold.

  119. Priss Factor [AKA "The Priss Factory"] says:
    @Sherman
    Just as I thought. You're unemployed.

    I really will be if I out myself, you dufus.

    We live in a time when those who speak the truth cannot work.

    • Replies: @geokat62
    LOL
  120. @Priss Factor
    It's been said that the reason why the West made greater progress than the Muslim World is because the West went through the Renaissance whereas the Muslim World didn't. It's been said that Islamic culture held back freedom of thought and discourse.

    But here's one big problem. The Byzantine Civilization. The Greek-led Byzantine civilization was Christian. Also, unlike Western Europe that lost the culture of antiquity due to Germanic Barbarian Invasions, Byzantine civilization survived and preserved its memory of the classical past.

    Then, why did the Byzantines fail to make the kind of progress that Western Europe did? Why did Western Europe that came under barbarian rule eventually grow richer and stronger whereas the Byzantines, which preserved the classical heritage, grow weaker and weaker, eventually being invaded by Venetians and then by the Ottomans?

    One great result of the Germanic barbarian invasions was that it stopped the Roman agenda of diversity-propagating all over Europe. The classical dream of the original EU as spearheaded by the Ancient Romans was to racially muddy all of Europe. Romans brought slaves and merchants and workers from all over the world---Africa and Near East---and sought to spread them all over Europe. Romans conquered much of Northern Europe and built roads that would have connected Cairo and Damascus to Paris and London(whatever they may have been called back then). Had the Roman Empire not been brought down, European race might have been muddied into something like North Africans long long ago.

    But the white Germanic Barbarians destroyed the imperialistic Romans, and thus they racially saved Europe.
    And that kept Western Europe white. Of course, there were incursions into Southern Italy and Spain/Portugal by the Moors and other swarthy folks later on. And Russians fell under Mongol yoke and Greeks came under Ottoman Rule.
    But the heart of Western Europe remained white.

    Another great thing for the white race was the arrival of Muhammad and the spread of Islam. As a result, Christianity came under the challenge of non-white Muslims. Mongol Tatars turned Islamic. And all of Near East and North African came under Muslim rule.
    If all such non-white peoples had been converted to Christianity(and had Islam never appeared on the scene), it's possible that the Catholic Church back then(as it tries to do today) might have sought to create a world empire defined by faith than by race.

    If indeed faith in Jesus should be the prime allegiance for a people, then white Europeans should feel as brothers with yellow Christians, brown Christians, and black Christians. But thankfully, Muhammad came along and created a new faith that won the hearts and minds of non-whites all over.
    So, Christianity became the defacto the white religion and Islam became defacto the swarthy/black religion. Of course, there were white Muslims and non-white Christians, but Europe became predominantly Christian whereas the Near East, Central Asia(ruled by Mongols and Turkmens), and North Africa became predominantly Muslim. The Islamization of the world outside Europe made white Europeans more race-conscious as Christianity became synonymous with defending(and later spreading) white civilization. But this would not have been the case if there had been no Islam and if all of North Africa and Near East had become Christian. It's possible that the Catholic Church might have sided with non-white Catholics against European Protestants. After all, there were times when Europeans even allied with Muslims against fellow Christians. This would have been even more likely if the Middle East and North Africa had turned Christian.

    Perhaps, one of the problems of the Byzantines was racial. Since they ruled over much of the Near East, they often rubbed shoulders with less intelligent non-whites. So, there may have been less intellectual firepower regardless of whether the people there were Christian or Muslim. After all, even secular Arab nations haven't been able to achieve much in the 20th century. Arab IQ is simply lower, and the Byzantine empire ruled over too many not-too-bright people. So, the problem could have been racial than cultural/religious. In contrast, Western Europe had more high-IQ people. This isn't to discount the power of culture which is important, but we shouldn't discount the power of race and biology.

    Another reason why the Byzantines might have faltered and declined is because their civilizational continuity led to loss of vigor, to boredom and apathy. Paradoxically, it may have grown weaker in the long run(when compared to Western Europe that fell to Germanic barbarians) because it remained intact as a civilization.
    Sometimes, a thing has to be rediscovered to spark curiosity and imagination. The Renaissance had a powerful impact on the West cuz the old was made 'new' again. It was reinvigorated as something to fire up the imagination again.
    It's a tragedy to lose one's heritage and past, but there is also the mythic excitement of rediscovering it again through chance and imagination. The Renaissance wasn't just an imitation of the rediscovered past but an inspired act of using its fragments---as too much of it had been lost forever---to envision something even greater and grander and richer.

    So, the lesson for the Alt Right shouldn't just be heritage and tradition. It needs to be the power to re-imagine the past and its lessons in a spirit of renewed vigor. It's like sticking with the GOP is like trying to keep the Byzantine civilization going. It has lost its vigor. It's about the likes of George Will and Bill O'Reilly arguing over Reagan's mental health. It's like Soviets in the 80s still trying to keep up the holy myth of Lenin that had turned into a mummy.

    It would be stupid and crazy for a people to reject their own heritage. But mere clinging to heritage leads to dissipation, boredom, and enervation. The past must be retold and re-imagined and reinvigorated to inspire new visions of the future.
    This is why Jews win. They use Hollywood and other industries to re-imagine and re-create the past in their own inspired manner(that is good for their power but deadly to their enemies, the white race).
    With a culture of reinvigoration, one's culture and identity turn into museum pieces, into mummies.

    You have clearly read some history, but you choose to ignore inconvenient facts and draw some fanciful conclusions to support your pet peeves and even some delusional and scientifically dubious claims.

    Firstly: you seem to think that races just happened to have magically appeared with whatever skin colour they have, ab inicio? You do realize that we ALL share a common ancestor around 200 generations ago… even the rat population in my hometown has, scientifically studied and proven, more genetic variety than the difference in mine, a very mixed but caucasian male, and an aboriginal male whose ancestors arrived in australia 50,000 years ago…so yeah, lets revel in our uniqueness, a true fucking unique and special snowflake indeed.

    secondly, and this annoys me even more, you do know that untill the mongol Khans and the Amir Timur of the turc nomads destroyed close to 3-5million people and their uncountable achievements such as scientific progress in mathematics, medicine, astronomy, construction, chemistry and physics, your ancestors were reverting to lives far preceeding the graeco-roman world, marvelling at the structures left behind, yet unable to even fathom how to keep them from falling to further ruin. It took them 1000 years to really achieve similar parity to what they had had, and only the destruction of these civilizations and the subsequent flight of knowledge to places like southern europe and timbuktu allowed the renaissance to end. Yes ofcouse its never as simple as that, as there had to be other factors present as well to kickstart this renaissance you speak about, and I dont dispute that it didnt happen, but i certainly do say that your whole argument with that bs iq difference and other eugenics bs, is flawed and that your conclusions are ignorant of actual history and absent many balancing facts.

    what started out well, turned out such a disappointment. Pathetic.

    • Replies: @The most deplorable one

    Firstly: you seem to think that races just happened to have magically appeared with whatever skin colour they have, ab inicio? You do realize that we ALL share a common ancestor around 200 generations ago
     
    According to my calculator, 200 generations ago is about 5,000 years.

    You are off by a large amount, it seems to me. For example, how long have Aboriginal Australians been isolated with very limited gene flow, and what about the various North and South American populations.


    even the rat population in my hometown has, scientifically studied and proven, more genetic variety than the difference in mine, a very mixed but caucasian male, and an aboriginal male whose ancestors arrived in australia 50,000 years ago…so yeah, lets revel in our uniqueness, a true fucking unique and special snowflake indeed.
     
    You don't seem to know much about Australian Aborigines. Have you ever seen them up close or talked to them.

    Serious fail.

    , @RobinG
    Hey Mac,

    Thank you ever so much for calling out this HBD/IQ bullshit. Miss Priss has already admitted that she is a paid troll (see #119) and that "those who speak the truth cannot work", so she fabricates fantastic narratives. I believe the purpose is to waste time, distract and confuse. Incorporating some real facts, truisms and crass humor, she peddles her philosophy of self-congratulation and hate. Not clear who she works for, but she may be drawing out reactions of one sort or another for future targeting.

    BTW, ignore that despicable ghoul and snuff film maven, the 4th doorman.
    , @Craken
    Intelligence evolves. Intelligence matters. Different human groups have very large differences in intelligence. This difference is strongly correlated with skin color. http://flaregas.blogspot.com/2010/11/iq-and-infectious-disease.html
    This IQ differential is evident in their historical intellectual accomplishments. Europeans could not have invented modernity without their superior intelligence. There is no reason to believe that the dusky races, with their lower IQs, could have invented modernity. Flailing and bewailing does not alter reality. Even without the cultural pathologies they bear with them, the ongoing invasion of Europe will end its civilization by creating another great swathe of idiocracy in the world.
  121. @Anonymous
    The EU just imposed origin labeling for Isreali goods from occupied areas. This may have been part of the response.

    Keep in mi d that before Hebdo there was a lot of Palesinian sympathy coming out of France. After these two false flags it looks like the Zionists may have been successful in reversing that trend.

    a comment on Saker site:
    “Deputy Chief of Staff of the Iranian Armed Forces Brigadier General Massoud Jazzayeri warned Washington and its European allies not to replay the September 11 theatre to pressure and attack Muslims by misusing the Friday night’s terrorist events in Paris.
    “The French people paid the price for their government’s support for the ISIL and the Takfiri terrorism,” he said.
    Jazzayeri warned the US and its allies against misusing the Paris events to attack and pressure the Muslim states like what they did against Afghanistan and Iraq after the 9/11 attacks in 2001 and 2003, and said Iran had many times warned that certain European countries’ support for the terrorists will backfire on their advocates one day.
    He also referred to the Thursday terrorist attack in Beirut which killed over 40 people, and said, “The Paris and Beirut blasts are the two sides of the same coin and the international community expects the supporters of Takfiri terrorists, specially the US, France and other western governments, to give up their discriminatory approach and behavior and adopt a common and united position on these crimes.”
    The Iranian officials strongly condemned the attacks and called for overall and serious fight against terrorism.
    Iranian President Hassan Rouhani in a message to his French counterpart François Hollande extended his condolences on the killing of people in a series of bombings and shootings in Paris, and reiterated the need for collective efforts to fight against terrorism.
    “I, on behalf of the great Iranian nation, which itself has been one of the victims of the ominous phenomenon of terrorism, strongly condemn these anti-human crimes and extend my condolences to the bereaved nation and government of France,” President Rouhani said in his message on Saturday morning.”
    He expressed deep regret over the killing and wounding of a large number of innocent people in Paris, and said, “Undoubtedly, the world’s most important message in such events is more serious will and determination to launch overall fight against the terrorist groups.”

    Sobering.

  122. and there is another comment on Saker, which is too horrible to contemplate.
    “Gladio, Nato’s Dagger at the Heart of Europe: The Pentagon-Nazi-Mafia Terror Axis”
    by Richard Cotrell
    “Masquerading as a rear guard against Soviet invaders, NATO’s covert forces warped into psychological and physical terrorism. These were the ‘years of lead,’ in which hundreds perished in a synthetic war on the streets of Europe. NATO commander Lyman Lemnitzer ordered serial attacks on French President Charles de Gaulle. Sacked from the Pentagon by John F. Kennedy for rank insubordination, then exiled to Europe, Lemnitzer reaped revenge in Dallas. The secret armies forged bonds with organized crime and neo-fascists. NATO-backed coups struck down governments in Greece and Turkey; the island state of Cyprus was sundered amid bitter genocide. Urban guerillas like the Red Brigades and Baader-Meinhof Gang were cunningly manipulated. Italy gained a deep-state government, the ultra-secret P2 pseudo-masonic lodge founded by former Blackshirts. Swedish PM Olof Palme and Italian ex-PM Aldo Morro were assassinated. Pope John Paul II was shot by Turkish gangsters who had regular work as Gladio guns for hire. In 2009 a Gladio copy-cat outfit codenamed Erkenegon came to light in Turkey. The shootings in Norwai in July 2011, and in Belgium, France and Italy in 2012, all bore the classic stripe of Gladio false-flag operations.”

    http://thesaker.is/president-bashar-al-assad-on-paris-attacks-interview-english-subtitles/

  123. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @Mac Chiavelli
    You have clearly read some history, but you choose to ignore inconvenient facts and draw some fanciful conclusions to support your pet peeves and even some delusional and scientifically dubious claims.

    Firstly: you seem to think that races just happened to have magically appeared with whatever skin colour they have, ab inicio? You do realize that we ALL share a common ancestor around 200 generations ago... even the rat population in my hometown has, scientifically studied and proven, more genetic variety than the difference in mine, a very mixed but caucasian male, and an aboriginal male whose ancestors arrived in australia 50,000 years ago...so yeah, lets revel in our uniqueness, a true fucking unique and special snowflake indeed.

    secondly, and this annoys me even more, you do know that untill the mongol Khans and the Amir Timur of the turc nomads destroyed close to 3-5million people and their uncountable achievements such as scientific progress in mathematics, medicine, astronomy, construction, chemistry and physics, your ancestors were reverting to lives far preceeding the graeco-roman world, marvelling at the structures left behind, yet unable to even fathom how to keep them from falling to further ruin. It took them 1000 years to really achieve similar parity to what they had had, and only the destruction of these civilizations and the subsequent flight of knowledge to places like southern europe and timbuktu allowed the renaissance to end. Yes ofcouse its never as simple as that, as there had to be other factors present as well to kickstart this renaissance you speak about, and I dont dispute that it didnt happen, but i certainly do say that your whole argument with that bs iq difference and other eugenics bs, is flawed and that your conclusions are ignorant of actual history and absent many balancing facts.

    what started out well, turned out such a disappointment. Pathetic.

    Firstly: you seem to think that races just happened to have magically appeared with whatever skin colour they have, ab inicio? You do realize that we ALL share a common ancestor around 200 generations ago

    According to my calculator, 200 generations ago is about 5,000 years.

    You are off by a large amount, it seems to me. For example, how long have Aboriginal Australians been isolated with very limited gene flow, and what about the various North and South American populations.

    even the rat population in my hometown has, scientifically studied and proven, more genetic variety than the difference in mine, a very mixed but caucasian male, and an aboriginal male whose ancestors arrived in australia 50,000 years ago…so yeah, lets revel in our uniqueness, a true fucking unique and special snowflake indeed.

    You don’t seem to know much about Australian Aborigines. Have you ever seen them up close or talked to them.

    Serious fail.

  124. @Priss Factor
    I really will be if I out myself, you dufus.

    We live in a time when those who speak the truth cannot work.

    LOL

  125. Allow women to vote, and this is what you get. A weak country of fags and feminists. The only people IN MY LIFE who oppose this are sober, fundamental Christians. The rest of the “men” in the U.S.A. have been turned over to a reprobate mind.

    You reap what you sow, liberal sympathizers.

    • Replies: @annamaria
    Mr. Bush (the lesser), a very Christian man, had a direct line with the Christian God. Never mind his own interesting military career, Bush relied on another Christian man with even more interesting military career, the incomparable Mr. Cheney. These two very Christian men first let the US suffer the worst terrorist attack (despite the numerous warnings) and then they initiated an illegal and financially ruinous (for the US) war in Iraq, which was based on the falsified intelligence. These two Christian men are also very loudly pro-life, but your would never guess this, considering the hundreds of thousands of civilian "casualties" of the war-for-oil-and-Israel initiated by Bush$Cheney. The 2 million dead civilians in Iraq alone include thousands and thousand of babies and pregnant women. The fundamental Christians in the US have embraced Israel (via the middlemen of AIPAC ) to a treasonous level. Do you as a fundamental Christian believe that the USSLiberty "accident" deserves a thorough investigation, instead a gag order imposed on the survivors of the attack?
  126. @anon
    This problem has been brewing for decades in the western cities as a result of mass immigration and the gradual creation of sharia compliant enclaves, takeover of schools, rape as a weapon of ethnic cleansing etc - all covered up by the media.

    It's true the neocons have stirred the pot and also true that Hollande, Cameron etc will try and use these attacks as an excuse for a war against Assad but the West was slowly breeding a civil war before that.

    The neocon solution: invade the world, invite the world, is the worst of all.

    The liberal solution: invite the world, ends the same way, just slower.

    The solution is don't invite the world.

    It’s the invade the world that’s bankrupted the country.

  127. @anonymous
    The US and it's allies are supposed to be against ISIS and are even bombing and droning them. Yet ISIS continues to keep fighting. Does ISIS own an ammunition plant somewhere as well as some armaments factories? It seems they don't yet somehow they keep getting more supplies even as they expend ammo. Who is supplying them? One of our 'allies'? Ourselves? The story of them capturing supplies from others was used to explain how they came into possession of some of it but that's worn thin by now. Stopping whoever is supplying them would be the logical way of cutting them off. So why hasn't the US done that? Are we really serious about it or is some sort of murky double-game being played here?
    We never heard of ISIS until just a few or so years ago when they suddenly sprouted out of the ground, fully armed and having a leadership class. Now supposedly they're everywhere from Egypt to France. Is this a centralized group, an umbrella under which there are many groups, a movement, what? They seem to have had quite a bit of resources at their disposal, pretty good for a group that seemingly came out of nowhere.

    ISIS is merely the latest roll out of the CIA’s Al Qaeda franchise, its foreign legion.

    Further offerings will be available as required.

    • Replies: @Ozymandias
    "ISIS is merely the latest roll out of the CIA’s Al Qaeda franchise, its foreign legion"

    I've taken to calling them USIS.
  128. @anon
    This problem has been brewing for decades in the western cities as a result of mass immigration and the gradual creation of sharia compliant enclaves, takeover of schools, rape as a weapon of ethnic cleansing etc - all covered up by the media.

    It's true the neocons have stirred the pot and also true that Hollande, Cameron etc will try and use these attacks as an excuse for a war against Assad but the West was slowly breeding a civil war before that.

    The neocon solution: invade the world, invite the world, is the worst of all.

    The liberal solution: invite the world, ends the same way, just slower.

    The solution is don't invite the world.

    The solution is don’t invite the world

    .

    The solution is don’t invite the world AND don’t invade the world.

  129. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    This Paris attack is a Friday the 13th false flag operation as The 13th of Friday is big symbolic day in Masonic French history. This has been confirmed by former intelligence officers on the ground at the time of occurrence. I challenge anyone to show any blood on the ground related to this. It is a pretext for NATO to enter the conflict in Syria.

  130. @unpc downunder
    “We’ve seen an outrageous attempt to terrorize innocent civilians, this is an attack not just on Paris, it is an attack not just on the people of France, but it is an attack on all of humanity and the universal values we share” -Barack Obama

    Wrong - this is attack on liberalism by Islam and it the result of the actions of Muslims and liberals. As a particularist it has nothing to do with me.

    “We’ve seen an outrageous attempt to terrorize innocent civilians, this is an attack not just on Paris, it is an attack not just on the people of France, but it is an attack on all of humanity and the universal values we share” -Barack Obama

    Wrong – this is attack on liberalism by Islam and it the result of the actions of Muslims and liberals. As a particularist it has nothing to do with me.

    I’m always nervous when people spout that “universal values” nonsense. It always sounds kinda like a soft fluffy form of totalitarianism to me.

    • Replies: @Seamus Padraig

    I’m always nervous when people spout that “universal values” nonsense. It always sounds kinda like a soft fluffy form of totalitarianism to me.
     
    Could not agree more!
  131. @Mac Chiavelli
    You have clearly read some history, but you choose to ignore inconvenient facts and draw some fanciful conclusions to support your pet peeves and even some delusional and scientifically dubious claims.

    Firstly: you seem to think that races just happened to have magically appeared with whatever skin colour they have, ab inicio? You do realize that we ALL share a common ancestor around 200 generations ago... even the rat population in my hometown has, scientifically studied and proven, more genetic variety than the difference in mine, a very mixed but caucasian male, and an aboriginal male whose ancestors arrived in australia 50,000 years ago...so yeah, lets revel in our uniqueness, a true fucking unique and special snowflake indeed.

    secondly, and this annoys me even more, you do know that untill the mongol Khans and the Amir Timur of the turc nomads destroyed close to 3-5million people and their uncountable achievements such as scientific progress in mathematics, medicine, astronomy, construction, chemistry and physics, your ancestors were reverting to lives far preceeding the graeco-roman world, marvelling at the structures left behind, yet unable to even fathom how to keep them from falling to further ruin. It took them 1000 years to really achieve similar parity to what they had had, and only the destruction of these civilizations and the subsequent flight of knowledge to places like southern europe and timbuktu allowed the renaissance to end. Yes ofcouse its never as simple as that, as there had to be other factors present as well to kickstart this renaissance you speak about, and I dont dispute that it didnt happen, but i certainly do say that your whole argument with that bs iq difference and other eugenics bs, is flawed and that your conclusions are ignorant of actual history and absent many balancing facts.

    what started out well, turned out such a disappointment. Pathetic.

    Hey Mac,

    Thank you ever so much for calling out this HBD/IQ bullshit. Miss Priss has already admitted that she is a paid troll (see #119) and that “those who speak the truth cannot work”, so she fabricates fantastic narratives. I believe the purpose is to waste time, distract and confuse. Incorporating some real facts, truisms and crass humor, she peddles her philosophy of self-congratulation and hate. Not clear who she works for, but she may be drawing out reactions of one sort or another for future targeting.

    BTW, ignore that despicable ghoul and snuff film maven, the 4th doorman.

  132. Roger Cukierman, the president of France’s powerful Jewish Lobby CRIF confirmed on Friday after the attack that no Jewish institutions was attacked by the terrorists and no Jew was among the victims (reported by JTA, November 13). However, he said that the private Jewish protection militia (JDL) has been put on alert.

    Cukierman forgot to tell JTA that the Bataclan theatre which was attacked on Friday was owned by two Jews, Pascal and Joel Laloux, for nearly 40 years. They sold it in September 2015.

    Former White House official, Dr. Paul Craig Robert has called the Friday Paris attack another false flag operation like the Boston Marathon Bombing to demonize Muslims and Islam.

    http://rehmat1.com/2015/11/15/hollande-france-is-under-isis-attack/

    • Replies: @Seamus Padraig

    Cukierman forgot to tell JTA that the Bataclan theatre which was attacked on Friday was owned by two Jews, Pascal and Joel Laloux, for nearly 40 years.
     
    Interesting. You know what else? The World Trade Center was owned by a Zionist when it was blown up too. His name was Larry Silverstein: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Silverstein

    You'll be pleased to know that Mr. Silverstein wasn't hurt in the explosion. He skipped work that day, Sep. 11, as he had an appointment with his dermatologist.

    Nice being the boss, isn't it!
  133. Soooo… Where exactly do Syrian refugees get automatic weapons and bombs?

    This isn’t America after all where guns are more common.

  134. Endless illegals in the EU and the US, yet another violation of our rights. The gov’t constantly violates our rights.
    They violate the 1st Amendment by banning books like “America Deceived III”.
    They violate the 2nd Amendment by banning guns.
    Both parties are lawless.
    Last link of “America Deceived III” before it is completely banned:

  135. @Threecranes
    Some will say that the murderous acts were committed by only a small percentage of an otherwise well-behaved Islamic population within France (or Europe) and so, imply that there is little to be done since these are black swan events.

    Others will counter that though this may be true, nevertheless the perpetrators acted within the protective veil of that broader community, drew inspiration and material sustenance from it, found ideological justification within it and returned to it for solace and approval and that therefore, Islam is in some sense responsible for these acts of murderous rage.

    Which view is correct? Let's answer that question with a question.

    How will Islamic leaders within Paris specifically (and France and Europe more generally) respond? Will they take a principled stand and speak out against the traitors within their own community? Will they back up their words with action by insisting that Muslims within Paris prove their patriotism by doing everything possible to search out the perpetrators and the terror cells that gave them logistic and ideological support and provide police with information that leads to the criminal's arrest and prosecution? Will they chide their own people into betraying the fringe elements that were responsible and threaten them with the Islamic equivalent of Hellfire and Damnation if they don't?

    In short, let them prove where their values really lie. Are they loyal French patriots or Muslims first, last and always? Do they embrace fundamental European concepts of Law or their tribal Islamic identity? This is not a question that can or should be resolved by debate between two westerners who disagree about the essential nature of Islam or its practitioners; rather it is a question that is to be resolved existentially, i.e. by the actual behavior of the Leaders of the European Muslim community.

    Will they take a principled stand and speak out against the traitors within their own community?

    The principled stand would be to point out that these are false flag attacks, which the linearly knew. They will not take the principled stand.

  136. @Rurik

    called a goat… so Rurik is not the first
     
    Hey, that was a long time ago!

    and the only reason I said that was because you were trying to suggest- with a straight face- that World Trade Center building seven had imploded into its basement at free-fall speed due to a couple of minor office fires. You said something like 'it's too bad the sprinklers failed to work or that building would still be standing'. Remember that?

    I was convinced at the time that you were being less than sincere. I did not think it was possible for someone to actually believe that office fires could cause an obvious controlled demolition of a modern steel-frame building.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mamvq7LWqRU

    I still find it almost impossible to believe. If you could believe that all the structural steel that was holding that building up vaporized instantly due to office fires, then I suppose you'll believe anything.

    but then there are people who believe that they didn't provide any evidence of Osama's corpse due to their reverent sensitivity to the sensibilities of Muslims

    there are people who believe that we can't be allowed to see the video's of the jet that hit the Pentagon because it would be so hurtful that it would threaten national security

    there are people who believe that foisting and funding massive immigration of hostile Muslims into Europe will be a very good thing because "diversity is our strength!" and we all need to "celebrate multiculturalism'

    in short, it seems there are people who will believe virtually anything, no matter how brutally idiotic or patently insane. So since apparently you weren't being dishonest when you made that quip about the fire sprinklers in building seven, (as I thought you were being), please allow me to apologize for calling you 'goat'. It was ill-mannered of me to do so, since you were apparently (if astonishingly) being sincere. Being staggeringly and incomprehensibly gullible (as opposed to being an apologist for murderers) doesn't make someone a bad person.

    Being staggeringly and incomprehensibly gullible (as opposed to being an apologist for murderers) doesn’t make someone a bad person.

    Except that the smelly goat is not really that staggering gullible and is running cover for mass murderers.

    IOW, I’m not a theologian, but I think that being a minion of Satan kinda dies make one a bad person.

  137. @geokat62

    Beware of taking sides; only watch.
     
    Fred, not that you would be interested, but I thought I'd share a personal story with you.

    Many years ago, I was driving along a road and I saw a much larger man about to pulverize a much smaller man. I immediately stopped my car and put myself between the two of them. The much smaller man did not hesitate and took the opportunity to flee immediately. After suffering the expected verbal abuse (like being called a goat... so Rurik is not the first, nor the last) I got back in my car and drove on my merry way.

    I guess this simply demonstrates that I belong to the third of my 3 categories of people:

    1. Those that mostly care about their world
    2. Those that mostly care about the next world; and
    3. Those that mostly care about this world

    … I belong to the third of my 3 categories of people…

    Or in short: “I’m a wonderful human being. What? You don’t believe me? But that makes no sense! I can prove it to you! Just think about it… could such a wonderful human being as I possibly be telling you a lie?”

  138. @Anonymous
    Hey Marais,

    I agree with you 100% about the tick-like greed of the war pig gentiles who are legion, especially the traitorous scum like Dick Cheney or Tony Blair, who unlike corporate executive who're paid to be greedy and are doing their jobs, POS like Blair betray their country and countrymen for a few contemptuous shekels tossed in their direction. (or in the case of Cheney, more than a few)

    but not to split hairs, I did want at least to point out that

    Changing régimes into compliant vassals that can never threaten us ...
     
    none of the regimes we've toppled threatened us in the least. Afghanistan did not do 911. Nor did any of the regimes they've toppled. So when they did their 'shock and awe' and destroyed all of those countries and sent the Syrians (and everybody else in Africa) marching into Europe, none of any of that was done because those regimes threatened us or anyone else except for the Islamic extremists who Saddam and Gadaffi kept stomped down.

    But now that those Muslims are in Europe and here, and are understandably and justifiably pissed off, now we do face very real and very dire threats.

    just sayin'

    But now that those Muslims are in Europe and here, and are understandably and justifiably pissed off, now we do face very real and very dire threats.

    Hi, Rurik.

    Can you think of any of these alleged “Islamist” terrorism incidents in which the Muslims were anything other than patsies? Maybe there was one or two. Maybe, but actually I think they have all been false flags or FBI entrapment operations or whatever.

    Now, don’t get me wrong, there are common sense reasons not to let in massive immigration from the third world. The main reason is that if there’s aren’t enough jobs for your own indigenous working class (because you’ve outsourced all you industry…) what are you bringing in all these immigrants for? The whole Islam issue is thus, mostly a red herring, as far as I can see. There would be no reason to bring in all these immigrants even if they were all lily white Presbyterians…

    • Agree: Seamus Padraig
  139. @Mac Chiavelli
    You have clearly read some history, but you choose to ignore inconvenient facts and draw some fanciful conclusions to support your pet peeves and even some delusional and scientifically dubious claims.

    Firstly: you seem to think that races just happened to have magically appeared with whatever skin colour they have, ab inicio? You do realize that we ALL share a common ancestor around 200 generations ago... even the rat population in my hometown has, scientifically studied and proven, more genetic variety than the difference in mine, a very mixed but caucasian male, and an aboriginal male whose ancestors arrived in australia 50,000 years ago...so yeah, lets revel in our uniqueness, a true fucking unique and special snowflake indeed.

    secondly, and this annoys me even more, you do know that untill the mongol Khans and the Amir Timur of the turc nomads destroyed close to 3-5million people and their uncountable achievements such as scientific progress in mathematics, medicine, astronomy, construction, chemistry and physics, your ancestors were reverting to lives far preceeding the graeco-roman world, marvelling at the structures left behind, yet unable to even fathom how to keep them from falling to further ruin. It took them 1000 years to really achieve similar parity to what they had had, and only the destruction of these civilizations and the subsequent flight of knowledge to places like southern europe and timbuktu allowed the renaissance to end. Yes ofcouse its never as simple as that, as there had to be other factors present as well to kickstart this renaissance you speak about, and I dont dispute that it didnt happen, but i certainly do say that your whole argument with that bs iq difference and other eugenics bs, is flawed and that your conclusions are ignorant of actual history and absent many balancing facts.

    what started out well, turned out such a disappointment. Pathetic.

    Intelligence evolves. Intelligence matters. Different human groups have very large differences in intelligence. This difference is strongly correlated with skin color. http://flaregas.blogspot.com/2010/11/iq-and-infectious-disease.html
    This IQ differential is evident in their historical intellectual accomplishments. Europeans could not have invented modernity without their superior intelligence. There is no reason to believe that the dusky races, with their lower IQs, could have invented modernity. Flailing and bewailing does not alter reality. Even without the cultural pathologies they bear with them, the ongoing invasion of Europe will end its civilization by creating another great swathe of idiocracy in the world.

  140. @Sherman
    Just as I thought. You're unemployed.

    The strength of someone’s arguments and the quality of his prose don’t depend on his employment status, Honey Butt Cheeks Sherm.

  141. @KA
    The Syrian problem "s proximate and nearest association with the overall Zio plan is PNAC 1992,1996,2000 papers and exhortation to destroy Syria and agin political ambience of 2002 when Sharon was asking to keep on marching to Syria He was offering homemade evidences of terrorist hiding in Damascus and WMD being kept dry by Saddam in Syrian desert . Then Israel started bombing Damascus way before 2011 . Very soon it forced Congress to pass more sanctions on Syria .
    Israel is hundred percent responsible . Other crazies ate joining in the game because they know they would suffer same fate if they did not .


    "It’s not that we don’t want the Salafis to throw bombs,” said one US government defense consultant in 2007. “It’s who they throw them at – Hezbollah, Moqtada al-Sadr, Iran, and at the Syrians, if they continue to work with Hezbollah and Iran.”

    Pakistani defense sources interviewed by Asia Times in February 2005 confirmed that insurgents described as “former Ba’ath party” loyalists – who were being recruited and trained by “al-Qaeda in Iraq” under the leadership of the late Abu Musab Zarqawi – were being supplied Pakistan-manufactured weapons by the US. The arms shipments included rifles, rocket-propelled grenade launchers, ammunition, rockets and other light weaponry. These arms “could not be destined for the Iraqi security forces because US arms would be given to them”, a source told Syed Saleem Shahzad – the Times’ Pakistan bureau chief who, “known for his exposes of the Pakistani military” according to the New Yorker, was murdered in 2011. Rather, the US is playing a double-game to “head off” the threat of a “Shi’ite clergy-driven religious movement,” said the Pakistani defense source.


    According to a little-known November report for the US Joint Special Operations University (JSOU) and Strategic Studies Department, Dividing Our Enemies, post-invasion Iraq was “an interesting case study of fanning discontent among enemies, leading to ‘red-against-red’ [enemy-against-enemy] firefights.”

    In August, Debkafile reported that “The US, Jordan and Israel are quietly backing the mixed bag of some 30 Syrian rebel factions”, some of which had just “seized control of the Syrian side of the Quneitra crossing, the only transit point between Israeli and Syrian Golan.” However, Debkafile noted, “al-Qaeda elements have permeated all those factions.” Israel has provided limited support to these rebels in the form of “medical care,” as well as “arms, intelligence and food…

    According to former French foreign minister Roland Dumas, Britain had planned covert action in Syria as early as 2009: “I was in England two years before the violence in Syria on other business,” he told French television: “I met with top British officials, who confessed to me that they were preparing something in Syria. This was in Britain not in America. Britain was preparing gunmen to invade Syria.”

    Leaked emails from the private intelligence firm Stratfor, including notes from a meeting with Pentagon officials, confirmed that as of 2011, US and UK special forces training of Syrian opposition forces was well underway. The goal was to elicit the “collapse” of Assad’s regime “from within.”

    The 2002 Perle-RAND plan was active in the Bush administration’s strategic thinking on Iraq shortly before the 2003 war. According to US private intelligence firm Stratfor, in late 2002, then vice-president Dick Cheney and deputy defense secretary Paul Wolfowitz had co-authored a scheme under which central Sunni-majority Iraq would join with Jordan; the northern Kurdish regions would become an autonomous state; all becoming separate from the southern Shi’ite region.
    In 2008, the strategy re-surfaced – once again via RAND Corp – through a report funded by the US Army Training and Doctrine Command on how to prosecute the ‘long war.’ Among its strategies, one scenario advocated by the report was ‘Divide and Rule’ which would involve “exploiting fault lines between the various Salafi-jihadist groups to turn them against each other and dissipate their energy on internal conflicts.”

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/09/12/how-the-west-created-the-islamic-state/


    You posted three responses to what I said. I read them all. Lots of your info is from 2007 which is long ago. In 2007 did you ever think Russia would be in Syria and doing bombing runs from this Arab base? And maneuvering itself into a dominant position in the Middle East? Helped by Obama/John Kerry/State Department who are abdicating our long time role there. Whatever dumb things George Bush did there, Obama/Hillary/Kerry have done even stupider such as pimping the Arab Spring and overthrowing dictators who maintained stability, so should have been left in place. Such as deposing and killing Qaddafi which now allows Muslim and African hordes (aka refugees) to get on ol rust buckets and head out to Europe.
    Anyway you took the time to post and I took the time to read.

    • Replies: @KA
    Bush cabinet members were as psychopathic as they come . Same applies to Rice Power Clinton Nuland brigade . None of them did dumb things . They did what was told and
    as was planned by PNAC ,AEI,Israeli Project,FDD,and ECI . Nothing outside the script . Everything has gone according to the plans . Zio book from 1936 on the size of the territory was partially fulfilled in 1958 and 1967 . It is being offered to American gov for acknowledgement . So a plan takes 50 or 80 yrs for fruition .
    9 yrs id s less than second in that bucketful of time
  142. @Drapetomaniac
    So you have morality, areas of behavior that developed to promote the survival of the ingroup:
    Care/harm: cherishing and protecting others.
    Fairness/cheating: rendering justice according to shared rules.
    Liberty/oppression: the loathing of tyranny.
    Loyalty/betrayal: standing with your group, family, nation.
    Authority/subversion: obeying tradition and legitimate authority.
    Sanctity/degradation: abhorrence for disgusting things, foods, actions.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_Foundations_Theory

    These are what your Lords and Masters manipulate to get people to be dupes.

    Yeah, thanks. FWIW-After 9/11, I got my first and only case of war fever. Foolishly, I thought the toppling of the Taliban satisfied the demands for American vengeance and national prestige. Then, mission creep in Afghanistan (for the sake of Pentagon careerists and corporate contractors?), and Gulf II with its never-ending ill consequences for the supposed victors. I’m old enough to know better, but it’s astounding to me how the U. S. government has used the genuine sense of injury most Americans felt after 9/11 to write a blank check for military and political adventurism.

    Thanks for the Wikipedia reference.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky

    Foolishly, I thought the toppling of the Taliban satisfied the demands for American vengeance and national prestige
     
    Leaving aside the question of whether "vengeance" is maybe an overrated concept, doesn't vengeance have to be meted out the people who actually did wrong you? Even the absurd official 9/11 story does not claim that the Taliban carried out the 9/11 attacks.
  143. @JackOH
    Yeah, thanks. FWIW-After 9/11, I got my first and only case of war fever. Foolishly, I thought the toppling of the Taliban satisfied the demands for American vengeance and national prestige. Then, mission creep in Afghanistan (for the sake of Pentagon careerists and corporate contractors?), and Gulf II with its never-ending ill consequences for the supposed victors. I'm old enough to know better, but it's astounding to me how the U. S. government has used the genuine sense of injury most Americans felt after 9/11 to write a blank check for military and political adventurism.

    Thanks for the Wikipedia reference.

    Foolishly, I thought the toppling of the Taliban satisfied the demands for American vengeance and national prestige

    Leaving aside the question of whether “vengeance” is maybe an overrated concept, doesn’t vengeance have to be meted out the people who actually did wrong you? Even the absurd official 9/11 story does not claim that the Taliban carried out the 9/11 attacks.

  144. Here’s an old Polish joke, adapted to new situation (In original it was about american parachuters and red army soldiers):

    An elder man ame to the police station. “My daughter my raped by bunch of white neonazi supremacists!” he claims. The excited policeman takes a sheet of paper and starts to write down a report, saying: “Please describe the perpetrators!”. “Well, they had black hair, rather darker skin, wear turbans and were screaming ‘Allahu akbar!’ all the time”.

    “Those were muslim, not neonazis” – said the policeman with a dissapointment.
    “I didn’t say that” quickly answers the elder man “it was you who jumped to the conclusion”.

  145. @KA
    Irresponsible journalism at the Center for American Progress. A day before the organization feted Benjamin Netanyahu to try to show the Democratic Party’s support for Israel, its website ThinkProgress ran an article titled, “How The American Religious Right Is Making The Middle East Peace Process Impossible.” The piece argues that rightwing Christian organizations are responsible for the settlements in the West Bank; it shows that some Christian groups support the settlements and all the Republican presidential candidates do too. Sheldon Adelson is only mentioned in passing by reporter Jack Jenkins, though that’s the big prize for the Republican candidates.

    This is happy horseshit and pure political mystification. The Democratic Party is as mixed up with the settlements as anyone else. The Obama administration vetoed a UN Security resolution against the settlements in 2011. It quashed an effort at the Democratic convention in 2012 to highlight the occupation of East Jerusalem. It has done nothing to punish Israel for greatly expanding the settlements over the last eight years. Remember that Bill Clinton ran to George Bush’s right on settlements in 1992 and won the presidency. Some say that Bush’s opposition to the settlements and the Israel lobby cost him his job.

    If the settlements really were a Republican cause, as Think Progress maintains, then it would play out like the abortion issue or the gay rights issue: the Dems could righteously take the leftwing side and rally their base without fear of reprisal– and the middle ground would go along with the Dems because it’s the reasonable position. Same sex marriage and abortion rights are the law of the land. But the Dems don’t take that side, and the policy serves Israeli expansion, because the Dems fear the repercussions inside the Jewish wing of the Democratic Party. Barney Frank saw the settlements firsthand a few years ago and deplored them and was challenged to come out against them, and he refused, his guide Jeff Halper says. Unless you can bring me 5000 Jews in my district who oppose the settlements, it would be political suicide, Frank said then. And that’s the bottom line: the Jewish establishment has refused to condemn the settlements, and the settlements have wide support inside the Jewish community. There’s not a dime’s worth of difference between Sheldon Adelson and Haim Saban; they agree on virtually every issue involving Israel support, and one bankrolls the Republican candidates and the other bankrolls Dems. Saban works with groups that work in the settlements. And Dems will do nothing to alienate Saban and his like. Why isn’t Jack Jenkins investigating Saban’s connections to settlements? (BTW, Barney Frank’s sister Ann Lewis helped censor other writers at CAP who were critical of Israel.)

    This is intellectually irresponsible on the part of CAP, because if you are going to take on the settlement project you have to take on the Israel lobby, whose influence transcends party, as CAP demonstrated for all the world when it sucked up to a rightwing fascistic slaughterous prime minister on Tuesday. The head of CAP gave only lip service to the settlement question in her conversation with Netanyahu, and the first questioner from the audience put forward a neoconservative plan to annex the settlements to Israel that was promptly endorsed by a leading Democratic Jewish publication. There was not a word about settlements in Hillary Clinton’s vow in that same liberal Jewish publication to mend fences with Israel and Netanyahu– and a disavowal of the idea that East Jerusalem is occupied.

    If the Center for American Progress really cares about Middle East peace, then it should educate people about the hateful occupation (which no Palestinian likes, any more than black people liked Jim Crow and slavery, those great precedents) and the Democratic Party’s role in it, and the Jewish establishment’s support for the settlement project. The Center for American Progress reporter Jack Jenkins studied divinity; he knows that his true obligation is to focus on the beam in the Democrats’ eye before he anatomizes the mote in the Republicans’.

    - See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/11/settlement-rightwing-christians#sthash.qD4AvJA7.dpuf

    Displacement is a pervasive phenomenon . Blaming other is easy . Blaming Gulf is easy ,blaming Turkey is lot easier .the facts of the matter are this - Evangelics and Arab are junior partner in these two respective games ( like Democrats and Republican both controlled by Zionist)
    It is Isarel who is the senior CEO

    Some say that Bush’s opposition to the settlements and the Israel lobby cost him his job.

    Forget about some. Even George HW Bush, himself, said it:

    But let’s focus on what matters here. A former President believes that the pro-Israel lobby cost him his job. His son runs for President and is far more responsive than his father was to the Israel lobby.Right there you have a good indication of the power of the lobby. Of course we don’t know what W.’s political calculations were on this issue. But everyone else has a theory about the effect of Papa Bush on W.; this is now mine. W. is a superb politician. He learned political lessons from his dad.

    http://observer.com/2006/07/did-the-first-president-bush-lose-his-job-to-the-israel-lobby/

    P.S. Leading members of the George W Bush administration along with Blair and the leading neocons/Israel firsters must be brought to justice. The names of the leading neocon figures are:

    Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Douglas Feith, Lewis Scooter Libby, Michael Ledeen, The Kagan clan, including Victoria Nudelman, The Kristol clan, The Podhoretz clan, John Hagee, Pat Robertson, Elliot Abrams, Eliot A. Cohen, Charles Krauthammer, David Frum, John Bolton, Jennifer Rubin, Joshua Muravchik, Michael Rubin, Daniel Pipes, Marc Grossman, James Woolsey, Michael Chertoff, Rudy Giuliani, Newt Gingrich.

    • Replies: @Marais

    “leading neocons/Israel firsters must be brought to justice.”
     
    Who can disagree? An impressive list. John ‘Torture’ Yoo (advocate of abuse up to bodily organ failure) and David ‘Mini Dick’ Addington (Cheney’s counsel and chief of staff) also deserve consideration.

    If found guilty their houses should be demolished and property seized.

    Why you’re at it, if there’s a way Alan Dershowitz and Ollie North could lose their US citizenship...
    , @Marais
    Neocon additions:

    David and Meyrav Wumser;
    Joseph Lieberman;
    Eliot Engel;
    Ed Royce;
    Sheldon Adelson

    Torture additions:

    Bruce Jessen (psychologist, master torturer)
    James Mitchell (Jessen’s partner, torture implementer)
    Timothy Flanigan (deputy White House Counsel under Gonzales);
    Jay Bybee (Yoo’s boss, signed the torture memo);
    Robert Delahunty (co-author of the torture memo);

    Actually, it’s easier to list a reference: http://tortureaccountability.org/
  146. @Stonehands
    Allow women to vote, and this is what you get. A weak country of fags and feminists. The only people IN MY LIFE who oppose this are sober, fundamental Christians. The rest of the "men" in the U.S.A. have been turned over to a reprobate mind.

    You reap what you sow, liberal sympathizers.

    Mr. Bush (the lesser), a very Christian man, had a direct line with the Christian God. Never mind his own interesting military career, Bush relied on another Christian man with even more interesting military career, the incomparable Mr. Cheney. These two very Christian men first let the US suffer the worst terrorist attack (despite the numerous warnings) and then they initiated an illegal and financially ruinous (for the US) war in Iraq, which was based on the falsified intelligence. These two Christian men are also very loudly pro-life, but your would never guess this, considering the hundreds of thousands of civilian “casualties” of the war-for-oil-and-Israel initiated by Bush$Cheney. The 2 million dead civilians in Iraq alone include thousands and thousand of babies and pregnant women. The fundamental Christians in the US have embraced Israel (via the middlemen of AIPAC ) to a treasonous level. Do you as a fundamental Christian believe that the USSLiberty “accident” deserves a thorough investigation, instead a gag order imposed on the survivors of the attack?

  147. @Ronald Thomas West
    Online @ http://ronaldthomaswest.com/2015/11/13/friday-the-13th-in-paris/

    “We've seen an outrageous attempt to terrorize innocent civilians, this is an attack not just on Paris, it is an attack not just on the people of France, but it is an attack on all of humanity and the universal values we share” -Barack Obama

    Why didn’t Obama, Hollande and company consider their making possible the rise of Islamic State as a device to overthrow Assad as “an outrageous attempt to terrorize innocent civilians [and] an attack on all of humanity and the universal values we share” ??

    https://www.scribd.com/doc/268764979/DIA-assessment-public-domain


    Speaking directly to the above linked intelligence report, enabling the rise of Islamic State, according to the former boss of the Defense Intelligence Agency General Mike Flynn (speaking to al-Jazeera) “was a willful policy decision”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SG3j8OYKgn4

    --

    “We, the West, overthrew Saddam by violence. We overthrew Gaddafi by violence. We are trying to overthrow Assad by violence. Harsh regimes all — but far less draconian than our Saudi allies, and other tyrannies around the world. What has been the result of these interventions? A hell on earth, one that grows wider and more virulent year after year.
    Without the American crime of aggressive war against Iraq — which, by the measurements used by Western governments themselves, left more than a million innocent people dead — there would be no ISIS, no “Al Qaeda in Iraq.” Without the Saudi and Western funding and arming of an amalgam of extremist Sunni groups across the Middle East, used as proxies to strike at Iran and its allies, there would be no ISIS. Let’s go back further. Without the direct, extensive and deliberate creation by the United States and its Saudi ally of a world-wide movement of armed Sunni extremists during the Carter and Reagan administrations, there would have been no “War on Terror” — and no terrorist attacks in Paris tonight.”
    http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/11/13/the-age-of-despair-reaping-the-whirlwind-of-western-support-for-extremist-violence/

  148. @Stan D Mute
    All are up to their necks in Fedgov race replacement project importing Africans and Arabs by the boatload and inflicting them on places like Minneapolis, Salt Lake City, etc.

    You speak plainly and accurately. You are more strident than me but I think along the same lines as your posts. Good points about the abdication of Christianity today. Why? So they can all feel good about themselves with zero consideration of the future this is making for their offspring and generations down the road. I don’t think they are intelligent enough to think that far ahead plus they are blinded by those feel good emotions.
    Obviously this is the age of immediate gratification (emotional), long range thinking (intellectual) is out the window.
    “Where there is no vision, the people perish: but he that keepeth the law, happy is he.”

  149. @Bill Jones
    ISIS is merely the latest roll out of the CIA's Al Qaeda franchise, its foreign legion.

    Further offerings will be available as required.

    “ISIS is merely the latest roll out of the CIA’s Al Qaeda franchise, its foreign legion”

    I’ve taken to calling them USIS.

  150. @Muhammad
    Of course it's a false flag. They found a Syrian passport on one of the 'exploded' bombers. Just like the 9/11 Saudi passport- it's made from fireproof, explosion proof material. Perfect for suicide activists who want to make sure they can be easily identified after immolation or blowing themselves to smithereens. Yeah right. Only an amoeba is dumb enough to believe this rubbish.

    Jet fuel, dude. Illuminati confirmed. Reptilian paper-tech can survive a blast, dude. Stupid amoebas everywhere. Not you. Never you.

  151. @iffen

    The globalist elites don’t play fair and neither should you.
     
    So you don’t like Bolsheviks but you don’t mind lifting some of their most effective ideas.

    Of course!

  152. The fact that the Western States are run by a warmongering financial cartel does not negate the fact that Islamo-Fascism is a real threat to world civilization. Regardless of how it came about as a political movement. The question is what can be done given the fact that so few are willing to accept the existence of said cartel. A lot of impotent hand wringing, I suppose.

    • Replies: @KA
    I have stopped wortying of Islamofasism .Death of the trinity composed of the military,politics,and the banks would carry all sorts of detritus down to the landfill. Certain hate can't survive as emotion without someone tirelessly promoting and provoking it consistently
    I still worry of the current incumbent of the placeholders ,of the future placeholders which as recent as three or fpur years ago was occupied by Jo Liberman .
    I worry of them finding or demanding ven new shelter in the nooks and crevices of any new body .
  153. @John Jeremiah Smith
    Twitter has got to be the greatest enemy of human achievement and reason that has ever been provided to the turbulent and disturbed idiocy of the group "mind".

    “Twitter has got to be the greatest enemy of human achievement and reason that has ever been provided to the turbulent and disturbed idiocy of the group “mind”.”

    Alternately there is the view that it is the single greatest, most widespread tool ever to enable morons to self-identify.

    How can it be not be appreciated by sane men of good taste?

  154. Readers see also:

    Terrorism Quotient

    Perhaps what’s needed here is the idea of a terrorism quotient … The idea is that there is a suite of behavioral traits that is more prevalent in many Muslim populations which makes them more likely to perpetrate acts of terrorism … This is illustrated by the number of terrorist acts (defined here as instances of mass murder/assault/hostage taking) per capita for a given population. There is little question that this rate is incredibly high for many Muslim populations relative to other populations (and of course, there is a great deal of variation between Muslim populations) – even more so when you consider the sizes of the Muslim populations living in Western countries

    • Disagree: SolontoCroesus
    • Replies: @geokat62

    a terrorism quotient … The idea is that there is a suite of behavioral traits that is more prevalent in many Muslim populations which makes them more likely to perpetrate acts of terrorism …
     
    A terrorism quotient, eh? Sounds very reminiscent of the Frankfurt School's Fascist scale:

    Theodor W. Adorno, a leading member of the Frankfurt School of critical theory, wrote The Authoritarian Personality in 1950. In it, Adorno invented a set of criteria by which to define personality traits, ranking them on what he called the ‘Fascist scale’.

    Here’s how one observer characterized the book’s goal:

    [it] was to eliminate antisemitism by “subjecting the American people to what amounted to collective psychotherapy — by treating them as inmates of an insane asylum.”
     
    , @Bill Jones
    The West, of course, slaughters many more than Muslims do . It's just not called terrorism by the corporate media whores.

    An astonishing number of Americans are blood-drenched murdering barbarian filth.
    , @RobinG
    More HBD crap. Pathetic.
    , @Anonymous
    Lame.

    Let's have a rape quotient for blacks. Or a financial scam quotient for Jews. Etc etc.

    Lesser HBD writers such as yourself don't really have a natural curiosity of how people really act. You just try to find genetic links to back your preconceived stereotypes of how people act.
    , @Stephen R. Diamond
    Jayman, while responding to part of the comment, ignored this pertinent objection from Bossell:

    Ah, the ignorance of youth.
    Yes, nowadays
    maybe

    But in the 70’s & 80’s terrorism was very much a European thing. Forgot the likes of IRA (UK), RAF & Revolutionäre Zellen (Germany), Action Directe (France), ETA (Spain) & Brigate Rosse (Italy)? Or their less active & less known contemporary right-wing counterparts like Wehrsportgruppe Hoffmann (Ger) or Ordine Nuovo (Italy)?
    Arab terrorism of that time came largely from Palestinians & was nationalist or left-wing (though occasionally aided by European right-wing terrorists), not Islamist.
     
    Some hdbers need to learn that they can't get away with ignoring counter-arguments.
    , @KA
    "From Marco and other voices on stage one hears: Tear up the Iran deal. Confront Putin. Establish a no-fly zone over Syria. Assad must go. Send offensive weapons to Kiev. More boots on the ground in Iraq and Syria. Send U.S. troops to the Baltic and warships to the Black Sea. Confront China in the Spratlys and South China Sea."
    E Margolis

    There is another yardstick ,another score on that scale that can capture the essence of the cultural fabric that undergirds and waters the ambition of the psychopath who seek presidency on the strength of that score . It is a composite score based on zeal for unprovoked wars,dismissing of recently committed war crimes, using religious hatred , dividing people along ethnic and religious lines , abusing languages and inventing words in order to commit the same crimes that unprovoked war does , discarding agreed upon rules ,creating impromptu never -deliberated rules , and kowtowing to every concern and every demand the donors from Israel demand.
    Have you got that composite store? I don't have the value . But I have the name for it. It is called - electability .

    I haven't included the righteous arrogance ,hubris,and sense of entitlement which become more evident when those psychopaths spar against each other over how good they are for Israel and how bad they would always be for Muslim .
  155. @JayMan
    Readers see also:

    Terrorism Quotient

    Perhaps what’s needed here is the idea of a terrorism quotient ... The idea is that there is a suite of behavioral traits that is more prevalent in many Muslim populations which makes them more likely to perpetrate acts of terrorism ... This is illustrated by the number of terrorist acts (defined here as instances of mass murder/assault/hostage taking) per capita for a given population. There is little question that this rate is incredibly high for many Muslim populations relative to other populations (and of course, there is a great deal of variation between Muslim populations) – even more so when you consider the sizes of the Muslim populations living in Western countries
     

    a terrorism quotient … The idea is that there is a suite of behavioral traits that is more prevalent in many Muslim populations which makes them more likely to perpetrate acts of terrorism …

    A terrorism quotient, eh? Sounds very reminiscent of the Frankfurt School’s Fascist scale:

    Theodor W. Adorno, a leading member of the Frankfurt School of critical theory, wrote The Authoritarian Personality in 1950. In it, Adorno invented a set of criteria by which to define personality traits, ranking them on what he called the ‘Fascist scale’.

    Here’s how one observer characterized the book’s goal:

    [it] was to eliminate antisemitism by “subjecting the American people to what amounted to collective psychotherapy — by treating them as inmates of an insane asylum.”

  156. @JayMan
    Readers see also:

    Terrorism Quotient

    Perhaps what’s needed here is the idea of a terrorism quotient ... The idea is that there is a suite of behavioral traits that is more prevalent in many Muslim populations which makes them more likely to perpetrate acts of terrorism ... This is illustrated by the number of terrorist acts (defined here as instances of mass murder/assault/hostage taking) per capita for a given population. There is little question that this rate is incredibly high for many Muslim populations relative to other populations (and of course, there is a great deal of variation between Muslim populations) – even more so when you consider the sizes of the Muslim populations living in Western countries
     

    The West, of course, slaughters many more than Muslims do . It’s just not called terrorism by the corporate media whores.

    An astonishing number of Americans are blood-drenched murdering barbarian filth.

    • Replies: @Art
    "An astonishing number of Americans are blood-drenched murdering barbarian filth."

    You can start with Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Bush.
  157. @iffen

    The globalist elites don’t play fair and neither should you.
     
    So you don’t like Bolsheviks but you don’t mind lifting some of their most effective ideas.

    I fear that the Paris attacks will be used by the inhuman filth in Western governments to take down Assad. Merkel is already saying she will join Hollande in his war:
    http://laiglesforum.com/3553/3553.htm

    • Agree: Bill Jones
  158. @Bill Jones
    The West, of course, slaughters many more than Muslims do . It's just not called terrorism by the corporate media whores.

    An astonishing number of Americans are blood-drenched murdering barbarian filth.

    “An astonishing number of Americans are blood-drenched murdering barbarian filth.”

    You can start with Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Bush.

  159. Western materialists are unable to analyze Islam in terms of pre-enlightenment thought. Islam0-fascism is a stupid term. It uses twentieth century coinage to describe a conflict which has raged for 1,400 years. The idiots who use “Islamofascism” are ignorant of history.

  160. @JayMan
    Readers see also:

    Terrorism Quotient

    Perhaps what’s needed here is the idea of a terrorism quotient ... The idea is that there is a suite of behavioral traits that is more prevalent in many Muslim populations which makes them more likely to perpetrate acts of terrorism ... This is illustrated by the number of terrorist acts (defined here as instances of mass murder/assault/hostage taking) per capita for a given population. There is little question that this rate is incredibly high for many Muslim populations relative to other populations (and of course, there is a great deal of variation between Muslim populations) – even more so when you consider the sizes of the Muslim populations living in Western countries
     

    More HBD crap. Pathetic.

  161. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @JayMan
    Readers see also:

    Terrorism Quotient

    Perhaps what’s needed here is the idea of a terrorism quotient ... The idea is that there is a suite of behavioral traits that is more prevalent in many Muslim populations which makes them more likely to perpetrate acts of terrorism ... This is illustrated by the number of terrorist acts (defined here as instances of mass murder/assault/hostage taking) per capita for a given population. There is little question that this rate is incredibly high for many Muslim populations relative to other populations (and of course, there is a great deal of variation between Muslim populations) – even more so when you consider the sizes of the Muslim populations living in Western countries
     

    Lame.

    Let’s have a rape quotient for blacks. Or a financial scam quotient for Jews. Etc etc.

    Lesser HBD writers such as yourself don’t really have a natural curiosity of how people really act. You just try to find genetic links to back your preconceived stereotypes of how people act.

    • Replies: @TBA

    Let’s have a rape quotient for blacks. Or a financial scam quotient for Jews. Etc etc.
     
    Why not? That would simply be one way of describing reality.
  162. @JayMan
    Readers see also:

    Terrorism Quotient

    Perhaps what’s needed here is the idea of a terrorism quotient ... The idea is that there is a suite of behavioral traits that is more prevalent in many Muslim populations which makes them more likely to perpetrate acts of terrorism ... This is illustrated by the number of terrorist acts (defined here as instances of mass murder/assault/hostage taking) per capita for a given population. There is little question that this rate is incredibly high for many Muslim populations relative to other populations (and of course, there is a great deal of variation between Muslim populations) – even more so when you consider the sizes of the Muslim populations living in Western countries
     

    Jayman, while responding to part of the comment, ignored this pertinent objection from Bossell:

    Ah, the ignorance of youth.
    Yes, nowadays
    maybe

    But in the 70’s & 80’s terrorism was very much a European thing. Forgot the likes of IRA (UK), RAF & Revolutionäre Zellen (Germany), Action Directe (France), ETA (Spain) & Brigate Rosse (Italy)? Or their less active & less known contemporary right-wing counterparts like Wehrsportgruppe Hoffmann (Ger) or Ordine Nuovo (Italy)?
    Arab terrorism of that time came largely from Palestinians & was nationalist or left-wing (though occasionally aided by European right-wing terrorists), not Islamist.

    Some hdbers need to learn that they can’t get away with ignoring counter-arguments.

  163. @Anonymous
    The fact that the Western States are run by a warmongering financial cartel does not negate the fact that Islamo-Fascism is a real threat to world civilization. Regardless of how it came about as a political movement. The question is what can be done given the fact that so few are willing to accept the existence of said cartel. A lot of impotent hand wringing, I suppose.

    I have stopped wortying of Islamofasism .Death of the trinity composed of the military,politics,and the banks would carry all sorts of detritus down to the landfill. Certain hate can’t survive as emotion without someone tirelessly promoting and provoking it consistently
    I still worry of the current incumbent of the placeholders ,of the future placeholders which as recent as three or fpur years ago was occupied by Jo Liberman .
    I worry of them finding or demanding ven new shelter in the nooks and crevices of any new body .

  164. @Clyde
    @KA
    You posted three responses to what I said. I read them all. Lots of your info is from 2007 which is long ago. In 2007 did you ever think Russia would be in Syria and doing bombing runs from this Arab base? And maneuvering itself into a dominant position in the Middle East? Helped by Obama/John Kerry/State Department who are abdicating our long time role there. Whatever dumb things George Bush did there, Obama/Hillary/Kerry have done even stupider such as pimping the Arab Spring and overthrowing dictators who maintained stability, so should have been left in place. Such as deposing and killing Qaddafi which now allows Muslim and African hordes (aka refugees) to get on ol rust buckets and head out to Europe.
    Anyway you took the time to post and I took the time to read.

    Bush cabinet members were as psychopathic as they come . Same applies to Rice Power Clinton Nuland brigade . None of them did dumb things . They did what was told and
    as was planned by PNAC ,AEI,Israeli Project,FDD,and ECI . Nothing outside the script . Everything has gone according to the plans . Zio book from 1936 on the size of the territory was partially fulfilled in 1958 and 1967 . It is being offered to American gov for acknowledgement . So a plan takes 50 or 80 yrs for fruition .
    9 yrs id s less than second in that bucketful of time

  165. @JayMan
    Readers see also:

    Terrorism Quotient

    Perhaps what’s needed here is the idea of a terrorism quotient ... The idea is that there is a suite of behavioral traits that is more prevalent in many Muslim populations which makes them more likely to perpetrate acts of terrorism ... This is illustrated by the number of terrorist acts (defined here as instances of mass murder/assault/hostage taking) per capita for a given population. There is little question that this rate is incredibly high for many Muslim populations relative to other populations (and of course, there is a great deal of variation between Muslim populations) – even more so when you consider the sizes of the Muslim populations living in Western countries
     

    “From Marco and other voices on stage one hears: Tear up the Iran deal. Confront Putin. Establish a no-fly zone over Syria. Assad must go. Send offensive weapons to Kiev. More boots on the ground in Iraq and Syria. Send U.S. troops to the Baltic and warships to the Black Sea. Confront China in the Spratlys and South China Sea.”
    E Margolis

    There is another yardstick ,another score on that scale that can capture the essence of the cultural fabric that undergirds and waters the ambition of the psychopath who seek presidency on the strength of that score . It is a composite score based on zeal for unprovoked wars,dismissing of recently committed war crimes, using religious hatred , dividing people along ethnic and religious lines , abusing languages and inventing words in order to commit the same crimes that unprovoked war does , discarding agreed upon rules ,creating impromptu never -deliberated rules , and kowtowing to every concern and every demand the donors from Israel demand.
    Have you got that composite store? I don’t have the value . But I have the name for it. It is called – electability .

    I haven’t included the righteous arrogance ,hubris,and sense of entitlement which become more evident when those psychopaths spar against each other over how good they are for Israel and how bad they would always be for Muslim .

  166. No matter what, we can figure on being manipulated. Edward Bernays, damn your eyes.

    I second the Wikileaks comment. It’s just more blowback. If your government plays at empire, you can expect to take a hit now and then. Some Muslims may be bad guys, but they are pikers compared to our own ruling class.

  167. @dfordoom

    “We’ve seen an outrageous attempt to terrorize innocent civilians, this is an attack not just on Paris, it is an attack not just on the people of France, but it is an attack on all of humanity and the universal values we share” -Barack Obama

    Wrong – this is attack on liberalism by Islam and it the result of the actions of Muslims and liberals. As a particularist it has nothing to do with me.
     
    I'm always nervous when people spout that "universal values" nonsense. It always sounds kinda like a soft fluffy form of totalitarianism to me.

    I’m always nervous when people spout that “universal values” nonsense. It always sounds kinda like a soft fluffy form of totalitarianism to me.

    Could not agree more!

  168. @Rehmat
    Roger Cukierman, the president of France’s powerful Jewish Lobby CRIF confirmed on Friday after the attack that no Jewish institutions was attacked by the terrorists and no Jew was among the victims (reported by JTA, November 13). However, he said that the private Jewish protection militia (JDL) has been put on alert.

    Cukierman forgot to tell JTA that the Bataclan theatre which was attacked on Friday was owned by two Jews, Pascal and Joel Laloux, for nearly 40 years. They sold it in September 2015.

    Former White House official, Dr. Paul Craig Robert has called the Friday Paris attack another false flag operation like the Boston Marathon Bombing to demonize Muslims and Islam.

    http://rehmat1.com/2015/11/15/hollande-france-is-under-isis-attack/

    Cukierman forgot to tell JTA that the Bataclan theatre which was attacked on Friday was owned by two Jews, Pascal and Joel Laloux, for nearly 40 years.

    Interesting. You know what else? The World Trade Center was owned by a Zionist when it was blown up too. His name was Larry Silverstein: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Silverstein

    You’ll be pleased to know that Mr. Silverstein wasn’t hurt in the explosion. He skipped work that day, Sep. 11, as he had an appointment with his dermatologist.

    Nice being the boss, isn’t it!

    • Replies: @Art
    "You’ll be pleased to know that Mr. Silverstein wasn’t hurt in the explosion. He skipped work that day, Sep. 11, as he had an appointment with his dermatologist."

    Ya - surprise surprise - - his children did not go to work that day either???????????
  169. @Seamus Padraig

    Cukierman forgot to tell JTA that the Bataclan theatre which was attacked on Friday was owned by two Jews, Pascal and Joel Laloux, for nearly 40 years.
     
    Interesting. You know what else? The World Trade Center was owned by a Zionist when it was blown up too. His name was Larry Silverstein: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Silverstein

    You'll be pleased to know that Mr. Silverstein wasn't hurt in the explosion. He skipped work that day, Sep. 11, as he had an appointment with his dermatologist.

    Nice being the boss, isn't it!

    “You’ll be pleased to know that Mr. Silverstein wasn’t hurt in the explosion. He skipped work that day, Sep. 11, as he had an appointment with his dermatologist.”

    Ya – surprise surprise – – his children did not go to work that day either???????????

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    French Jews Warned Friday Morning of ‘Impending Large Terrorist Attack’
    Netanyahu: Israel Passed Intelligence to France on Attack

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/in-france-defense-experts-see-parallels-to-israel/
  170. @Stan D Mute

    It has to do with Culture vs. Culture. And ours is weaker than theirs. Until I see evidence to the contrary, this will not change.
     
    More to the point, it's MEN. White men are completely demoralized. Look at the full Yuri Bezmenov interview (clip included in video above). This all began as a Soviet effort to demoralize the West. It worked. Our left is multicultural socialist and our right is cuckold fetishist. None will lift a finger to defend our most important asset, our women and children, from the invading Islamists and Africans. 65 years ago, in 1950, white western men would have burned the Islamist areas to the ground and expelled every last one of them. Today, they are beaten. Beaten by communist inspired feminism, queers, and negro lovers. They've been forbidden from speaking truth for at least forty years. Thus the "men" who should do the defending are all feminized twats who cry at a skinned knee or perceived microagression toward a thug illiterate negro. They have no idea what competition is, they're all "winners," and unable to defend themselves let alone their wives, daughters, sisters, and mothers. In fact, they look to these women to defend them!

    The white MAN has been dead for two generations. Where isolated pockets of his race remain, in rural and exurban areas, he is shooting his guns at trees, crashing his motorcycles, and avoiding contact with the society which hates him. It is over for him. That's the irony, that the USSR won even as it collapsed in ruin.

    @This all began as a Soviet effort to demoralize the West. It worked. Our left is multicultural socialist and our right is cuckold fetishist.

    There is a nuance. The multicultural left descend from Trotskyism. The cuckold right are the neo-cons who descend from…Trotskyism. You can hardly win.

    • Replies: @Seamus Padraig

    The multicultural left descend from Trotskyism. The cuckold right are the neo-cons who descend from…Trotskyism. You can hardly win.
     
    It kind of makes me think that Stalin knew what he was doing when he threw Trotsky out of the country. Not only did he thereby save Russia, but he also created a true existential danger for the west!
  171. Here is a highly recommended article, which asks all the right questions:
    13/11 Paris Massacre: Cui Bono?
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/1311-paris-massacre-cui-bono/5489112

    13/11 is the European way of presenting dates, for the US it is 1113, like 911.

  172. @Seraphim
    @This all began as a Soviet effort to demoralize the West. It worked. Our left is multicultural socialist and our right is cuckold fetishist.

    There is a nuance. The multicultural left descend from Trotskyism. The cuckold right are the neo-cons who descend from...Trotskyism. You can hardly win.

    The multicultural left descend from Trotskyism. The cuckold right are the neo-cons who descend from…Trotskyism. You can hardly win.

    It kind of makes me think that Stalin knew what he was doing when he threw Trotsky out of the country. Not only did he thereby save Russia, but he also created a true existential danger for the west!

    • Replies: @iffen
    Bogeymen to left, bogeymen to the right!

    Trotsky must have been some sort of Genghis Khan of political ideas.
  173. @Art
    "You’ll be pleased to know that Mr. Silverstein wasn’t hurt in the explosion. He skipped work that day, Sep. 11, as he had an appointment with his dermatologist."

    Ya - surprise surprise - - his children did not go to work that day either???????????

    French Jews Warned Friday Morning of ‘Impending Large Terrorist Attack’
    Netanyahu: Israel Passed Intelligence to France on Attack

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/in-france-defense-experts-see-parallels-to-israel/

    • Replies: @Art
    From the article: The Bataclan theater, site of Friday’s deadliest attack, was until recently Jewish-owned, said Sellem. As the site of annual fundraisers for the IDF, it is frequently targeted by anti-Israel protests, phone calls and emails, he said.

    Hmm - Just sold - NO Jew died!

    My o my - how miraculous - what good fortune (not).
  174. @geokat62

    Some say that Bush’s opposition to the settlements and the Israel lobby cost him his job.
     
    Forget about some. Even George HW Bush, himself, said it:

    But let’s focus on what matters here. A former President believes that the pro-Israel lobby cost him his job. His son runs for President and is far more responsive than his father was to the Israel lobby.Right there you have a good indication of the power of the lobby. Of course we don’t know what W.’s political calculations were on this issue. But everyone else has a theory about the effect of Papa Bush on W.; this is now mine. W. is a superb politician. He learned political lessons from his dad.

    http://observer.com/2006/07/did-the-first-president-bush-lose-his-job-to-the-israel-lobby/
     
    P.S. Leading members of the George W Bush administration along with Blair and the leading neocons/Israel firsters must be brought to justice. The names of the leading neocon figures are:

    Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Douglas Feith, Lewis Scooter Libby, Michael Ledeen, The Kagan clan, including Victoria Nudelman, The Kristol clan, The Podhoretz clan, John Hagee, Pat Robertson, Elliot Abrams, Eliot A. Cohen, Charles Krauthammer, David Frum, John Bolton, Jennifer Rubin, Joshua Muravchik, Michael Rubin, Daniel Pipes, Marc Grossman, James Woolsey, Michael Chertoff, Rudy Giuliani, Newt Gingrich.

    “leading neocons/Israel firsters must be brought to justice.”

    Who can disagree? An impressive list. John ‘Torture’ Yoo (advocate of abuse up to bodily organ failure) and David ‘Mini Dick’ Addington (Cheney’s counsel and chief of staff) also deserve consideration.

    If found guilty their houses should be demolished and property seized.

    Why you’re at it, if there’s a way Alan Dershowitz and Ollie North could lose their US citizenship…

  175. @geokat62
    Thanks, Stan... duly noted.

    EWTN, the rabid right-wing Catholic media empire was started by Mother Angelica with help from Pat Robertson.

    add to list s’il vous plait

  176. @geokat62

    True, though one could argue loosening sanctions on Saddam (which would have happened without war) could have led to oil quoted in euros.
     
    Are those the same sanctions that led to the death of 500,000 innocent children? I trust you're not "one who would argue (for) loosening" them.

    Are those the same sanctions that led to the death of 500,000 innocent children? I trust you’re not “one who would argue (for) loosening” them.

    I’m not sure I understand your question.

    Generally I prefer sanctions (when justified) to war. In this case the sanctions were part of a larger neocon strategy to remove Saddam. I don’t believe they were warranted: Saddam was largely disarmed. The half million deaths and Albright’s “We think the price is worth it” were criminal.

    On the other hand, if you think sanctions would have endured past 2003 I have a more lengthy response.

    • Replies: @geokat62

    I’m not sure I understand your question.
     
    Apologies, I meant to write: I trust you were not “one who argued (against) loosening” them.

    Since you don’t believe they were warranted, we're on the same page.
  177. @geokat62

    Some say that Bush’s opposition to the settlements and the Israel lobby cost him his job.
     
    Forget about some. Even George HW Bush, himself, said it:

    But let’s focus on what matters here. A former President believes that the pro-Israel lobby cost him his job. His son runs for President and is far more responsive than his father was to the Israel lobby.Right there you have a good indication of the power of the lobby. Of course we don’t know what W.’s political calculations were on this issue. But everyone else has a theory about the effect of Papa Bush on W.; this is now mine. W. is a superb politician. He learned political lessons from his dad.

    http://observer.com/2006/07/did-the-first-president-bush-lose-his-job-to-the-israel-lobby/
     
    P.S. Leading members of the George W Bush administration along with Blair and the leading neocons/Israel firsters must be brought to justice. The names of the leading neocon figures are:

    Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Douglas Feith, Lewis Scooter Libby, Michael Ledeen, The Kagan clan, including Victoria Nudelman, The Kristol clan, The Podhoretz clan, John Hagee, Pat Robertson, Elliot Abrams, Eliot A. Cohen, Charles Krauthammer, David Frum, John Bolton, Jennifer Rubin, Joshua Muravchik, Michael Rubin, Daniel Pipes, Marc Grossman, James Woolsey, Michael Chertoff, Rudy Giuliani, Newt Gingrich.

    Neocon additions:

    David and Meyrav Wumser;
    Joseph Lieberman;
    Eliot Engel;
    Ed Royce;
    Sheldon Adelson

    Torture additions:

    Bruce Jessen (psychologist, master torturer)
    James Mitchell (Jessen’s partner, torture implementer)
    Timothy Flanigan (deputy White House Counsel under Gonzales);
    Jay Bybee (Yoo’s boss, signed the torture memo);
    Robert Delahunty (co-author of the torture memo);

    Actually, it’s easier to list a reference: http://tortureaccountability.org/

    • Replies: @geokat62

    Actually, it’s easier to list a reference...
     
    While I agree it may be easier, it doesn't have the same impact as seeing these names repeated over and over again.

    P.S. Leading members of the George W Bush administration along with Blair and the leading neocons/Israel firsters must be brought to justice for the crime of launching an aggressive war against Iraq. The names of the leading neocon/Israel firsters are:

    Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Douglas Feith, Lewis Scooter Libby, Michael Ledeen, The Kagan clan, including Victoria Nudelman, The Kristol clan, The Podhoretz clan, David and Meyrav Wurmser, Joe Lieberman, Chuck Schumer, John Hagee, Pat Robertson, Elliot Abrams, Eliot A. Cohen, Eliot Engel, Charles Krauthammer, David Frum, John Bolton, Jennifer Rubin, Joshua Muravchik, Michael Rubin, Ed Royce, Daniel Pipes, Marc Grossman, James Woolsey, Michael Chertoff, Sheldon Adelson, Rudy Giuliani, Newt Gingrich.
  178. @geokat62

    Is the US so slavishly manipulated by AIPAC, or are there US interests that use Israel as a proxy?
     
    I've addressed this issue in one of my previous comments:

    There are two schools of thought on this issue: “the dog wags the tail” and “the tail wags the dog.”

    The first school is led by Prof Noam Chomsky, the second by Profs. Mearsheimer and Walt (authors of The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy).

    While Chomsky’s thesis of American imperialism appeared to be a plausible explanation of events in the ME during the Cold War years, it has fallen into disrepute since 9/11 and the thesis put forward by Profs. Mearsheimer and Walt has become the dominant one.
     
    As for your final comment:

    What’s the plan? It may be an American global retread of Oded Yinon’s ‘A Strategy for Israel in the Nineteen Eighties’
     
    The only thing that comes to mind is the old saying: he who pays the piper calls the tune. Ask yourself: Who is making the largest contributions to congressional and presidential elections?

    So if you listen carefully, you'll notice the tune has a certain Zionist ring to it.

    Robert Merry’s talk at American Conservative Summit on Realism and Restraint in Foreign Policy,

    offered insight into the evolution of US management/bureaucracy.

    He and several other speakers referred to an essay by one John Hay, http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-deciders/

    I was intrigued by Merry’s mention that the phenomenon he discussed, that of decisions being made by lower-level bureaucrats who manage to deflect responsibility for them, mimics Bolshevik models. Merry included Nazism and Fascism in that model. It was evident in FDR’s New Deal, and has overtaken decision-making functions today.

    Merry gestured in the direction of Charles Beard’s thesis:

    Beard turned against Franklin Delano Roosevelt’s foreign policy [and] became one of the leading proponents of American non-interventionism seeking to avoid American involvement in Europe’s wars.

    He promoted “American Continentalism” as an alternative, arguing that the United States had no vital interests at stake in Europe and that a foreign war could lead to domestic dictatorship. He continued to press this position after the war. Beard’s last two books were American Foreign Policy in the Making: 1932–1940 (1946) and President Roosevelt and the Coming of War (1948). Beard blamed FDR for lying to the American people and tricking them into war, which some historians and political scientists have disputed.

    It’s indisputable that FDR was heavily influenced by zionist Jews, including very influential Jews who supported Bolshevik Stalinism to the extent of spying for Stalin and raising US bond- and tax-funds to funnel to Stalin’s regime.

    FDR’s administration marks a radical turn from core US Constitutional values. Is it time to view those Bolshevik-model bureaucrats in FDR’s regime as the perpetrators of a coup that has gained ever-increasing control over American political, economic, cultural, and foreign affairs?

    The John Hay essay played a spotlight on the Bremer-Wolfowitz decision to de-Baathify Iraq, which they consciously and conspicuously modeled on the de-Nazification of Germany.

    It’s been evident to me for some time that the neocons are in a fugue state set in motion by the Jewish Anglo-zionist triumph over- and destruction of- Germany; they are stuck in this fugue and can’t stop themselves from repeating the destructive fury.

    Thus Merry’s inclusion of Nazism and Fascism in the same Bolshevik (which I set as largely dominated by Jewish worldview) model seems inappropriate: Nazism sought to eradicate Bolshevism. (As Herbert Hoover argued ardently, the world would have much better if the Nazis had been permitted to succeed.)

  179. @Anonymous
    French Jews Warned Friday Morning of ‘Impending Large Terrorist Attack’
    Netanyahu: Israel Passed Intelligence to France on Attack

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/in-france-defense-experts-see-parallels-to-israel/

    From the article: The Bataclan theater, site of Friday’s deadliest attack, was until recently Jewish-owned, said Sellem. As the site of annual fundraisers for the IDF, it is frequently targeted by anti-Israel protests, phone calls and emails, he said.

    Hmm – Just sold – NO Jew died!

    My o my – how miraculous – what good fortune (not).

    • Replies: @bunga
    They always know

    Netanyhu was warned not to go ahead with London meeting near St Pancras Station since an attack was looming

    911 was about to happen - so was told in e mail message to some Israelis .

    On a different note- IS videos of beheading appear on SITE of Rita Katz before even the hooligan Jihadist put it out on their site or online .
  180. @Rehmat
    To understand France's "Allah Akbar" yelling terrorists - one has to read recently published book, "Who is Charlie?" authored by no other than French historian, anthropologist, demographic, sociologist, and political scientist, Emmanuel Todd (Jewish).

    After the release of book, Who is Charlie? – Manuel Valls, the pro-Israel French Zionist prime minister with an Israeli wife, posted a letter in country’s top newspaper Le Monde (May 7, 2015) denouncing the book and defending the ‘Million March’ in Paris in support of Rothschild-owned Charlie Hebdo’s rights to insult Islam and Christianity but not Judaism or Holocaust.

    Todd has long been declared antisemite for criticizing Samuel P. Huntington’s thesis of the so-called clash between the Islamic and Western civilizations. Todd, like Alan Sorel, Felix Marquardt and comedian Dieudonne believe that immigration from Muslim countries don’t pose a demographic threat to French nation but instead contribute to France’s stability and growth.

    http://rehmat1.com/2015/11/14/who-is-charlie-the-book-french-pm-hates/

    Todd, like Alan Sorel, Felix Marquardt and comedian Dieudonne believe that immigration from Muslim countries don’t pose a demographic threat to French nation but instead contribute to France’s stability and growth.

    Anyone who believes that is totally nuts.

  181. @Bill Jones
    You do realize Hollande was bombing Damascus, don't you?

    What did he think would happen.

    You do realize Hollande was bombing Damascus, don’t you?

    What did he think would happen.

    It could never have happened if France hadn’t allowed those Muslims in.

    • Replies: @annamaria
    Bill Jones. Q: "You do realize Hollande was bombing Damascus, don’t you?"
    Robert Rediger. A: "It could never have happened if France hadn’t allowed those Muslims in."

    The above question suggested a cause and effect. Your answer suggests that you had never heard about the (illegal) US/EU/UK wars in the Middle East, which have been running for the last 14 years. The aggressors, US/EU/UK/Israel, used superior weaponry that – surprise! - has been generously delivered to the liver-eaters as well. The royal sponsors of terror (Saudi, Qatar...) have never been punished, or even reprimanded for their generous support of the terrorists. After 14 years of bloody mayhem, Europe had suddenly discovered that when people are bombed, they are looking for a shelter. The waves of the homeless, weak, and wounded (courtesy of US/EU/UK/Israel' superior weaponry) were joined by the terrorists - some used to be the receivers of the royals' (and US') largesse. These unwelcome newcomers include, without any doubt, the "moderate" freedom fighters financed and nurtured by the US' imbecile strategists and by pampered royal sponsors. The militant newcomers were trained to kill and maim by their politicking sponsors.
    , @annamaria
    "those Muslims" - Yes, these special newcomers include the so-called “moderate” freedom fighters financed and nurtured by the US' strategists and by royal sponsors of Saudi Arabia and Qatar.

    Robert Rediger, this universe functions according to the law of cause and effect.
    Let's try again. Here is a ropost in response to your out-of-time-and-space post:
    "Your answer suggests that you had never heard about the (illegal) US/EU/UK wars in the Middle East, which have been running for the last 14 years. The aggressors, US/EU/UK/Israel, used superior weaponry that – surprise! – has been generously delivered to the liver-eaters as well. The royal sponsors of terror (Saudi, Qatar…) have never been punished, or even reprimanded for their generous support of the terrorists. After 14 years of bloody mayhem, Europe had suddenly discovered that when people are bombed, they are looking for a shelter. The waves of the homeless, weak, and wounded (courtesy the US/EU/UK/Israel’ superior weaponry) were joined by the terrorists – some of these terrorists used to be the receivers of the royals’ (and US’) largesse. These unwelcome newcomers include, without any doubt, the “moderate” freedom fighters financed and nurtured by the US' strategists and by royal sponsors of Saudi Arabia and Qatar. The militant newcomers were trained to kill and maim by their politicking sponsors."
    The powerful sponsors of terrorism deserve to be punished, not the innocent victims of the Paris terract and not the innocent victims of the Middle East wars.
  182. @Art
    From the article: The Bataclan theater, site of Friday’s deadliest attack, was until recently Jewish-owned, said Sellem. As the site of annual fundraisers for the IDF, it is frequently targeted by anti-Israel protests, phone calls and emails, he said.

    Hmm - Just sold - NO Jew died!

    My o my - how miraculous - what good fortune (not).

    They always know

    Netanyhu was warned not to go ahead with London meeting near St Pancras Station since an attack was looming

    911 was about to happen – so was told in e mail message to some Israelis .

    On a different note- IS videos of beheading appear on SITE of Rita Katz before even the hooligan Jihadist put it out on their site or online .

  183. @Clyde
    Seems to me you are a typical atheist who has it in for Evangelical Christians. One, because they are Christian. Two, because most support Israel.

    I’m not an atheist, Clyde, yet I recognize the horrors that Israel has unleashed in the Middle East, and I believe the Bible-thumpers, aka Christian Zionists, are a serious problem due to their total misunderstanding not only of the Middle East but the Bible as well.

    From the Battle of Lepanto in the 16th century to 1948 Islam was essentially quiescent, other than several territorial disputes, most of them instigated by other nation’s imperial interests.

    But in 1948 something changed: the ethnic cleansing of Palestine by Eastern European Jews began, and has been getting worse every year since. When America, England, France, et al started to side with the occupation over the historical inhabitabants the troubles began.

  184. Israel and ISIL/ISIS:

    https://pando.com/2014/09/24/the-war-nerd-bombs-away-in-the-middle-east-but-why-is-israel-so-quiet/

    Israel sent a message about how it views the US campaign against IS without using words at all. On the same day that American forces were attacking IS bases in Syria, Israel shot down a MiG-21 from Assad’s Alawite forces over the Golan Heights. Quite a moment in Middle Eastern military history: While the US was intervening to attack the Sunni jihadis, the IDF underlined its view of the real enemy by knocking down one of Assad’s antique fighters out of the sky.

    That ancient MiG wasn’t downed because it was a threat to Israel, or because it was over the line. It was downed as a gesture. Bibi and his Likud allies are sulking, because the way they see it, we’re bombing the wrong Syrians. The Israeli elite has always wanted the US to intervene in the Syrian Civil War—but not against the Sunni jihadists, as we’re doing now. They want American planes and drones to obliterate the other side–the Alawites’ Syrian Arab Army (SAA) and its Hezbollah allies.

    Nobody ever seems to mention it, but the supposedly fearsome IS now owns the ground right under Israel’s Golan Heights fortifications, after moving in in June 2014 when the weary SAA, tired of being shelled by the IDF, moved out.

    So IS has been in place right there on Israel’s border for months now—and there’s been no attack from Israel. Yes, folks, you might actually get the impression that the Israelis—who know a thing or two about threat assessment—just don’t take IS very seriously.

  185. @This Is Our Home

    You do realize Hollande was bombing Damascus, don’t you?

    What did he think would happen.
     
    It could never have happened if France hadn't allowed those Muslims in.

    Bill Jones. Q: “You do realize Hollande was bombing Damascus, don’t you?”
    Robert Rediger. A: “It could never have happened if France hadn’t allowed those Muslims in.”

    The above question suggested a cause and effect. Your answer suggests that you had never heard about the (illegal) US/EU/UK wars in the Middle East, which have been running for the last 14 years. The aggressors, US/EU/UK/Israel, used superior weaponry that – surprise! – has been generously delivered to the liver-eaters as well. The royal sponsors of terror (Saudi, Qatar…) have never been punished, or even reprimanded for their generous support of the terrorists. After 14 years of bloody mayhem, Europe had suddenly discovered that when people are bombed, they are looking for a shelter. The waves of the homeless, weak, and wounded (courtesy of US/EU/UK/Israel’ superior weaponry) were joined by the terrorists – some used to be the receivers of the royals’ (and US’) largesse. These unwelcome newcomers include, without any doubt, the “moderate” freedom fighters financed and nurtured by the US’ imbecile strategists and by pampered royal sponsors. The militant newcomers were trained to kill and maim by their politicking sponsors.

    • Replies: @This Is Our Home
    There would be no Islamic terrorism in Europe if kind hearted Europeans had never let Muslims into their homeland.
    , @Avery
    {The waves of the homeless, weak, and wounded .....}

    Again: you obfuscate facts to promote your agenda of Islamizing Europe.

    #1 Yes: US, UK, France, Germany, Israel (behind the scenes) are responsible for creating ISIS and the horror that has enveloped Syria for 4 years. But so are several Muslim states.
    #2 Turkey is the number 1 supporter of ISIS. So is Saudi Arabia and so is Qatar.
    #3 Syrian refugees are reaching Europe through Turkey.
    #4 Syrian refugees were living in Turkey since the destruction of Syria was launched 4 years ago, spearheaded by Turkey.
    #5 Syrian refugees were/are kept in internment camps in Turkey: they are not allowed to work and are not allowed to integrate. Why not ? They are fellow Muslims, are they not ? (I give the reason below).
    #6 Even though Syrians were kept in internment camps in Turkey, they were in no danger. Suddenly Turkey opens the floodgates, and starts sending waves of Syrian "refugees" to Europe. The problem with the "weak, homeless,..." false narrative is that 80%-90% of "refugees" are healthy, young men*. Take a look at any any of 1000s of pictures widely available on the net.

    #7 The criminal, genocidal, anti-Christian IslamoFascist Turks did it for several reasons:
    A) Short term: blackmail Europe into essentially opening EU doors for Turkey to join EU.
    B) Long term: Turks' centuries old dream is to Islamize Europe. They failed to do so militarily. So they have a Plan B: Join EU, and flood Europe with 75-80 million Muslims. Who, in time, will ethnically cleanse or forcibly Islamize every last Christian in Europe.

    Lights out Western civilization.

    A question to our Muslim guests: why is it that Syrian "refugees" are not accepted with open arms by their Muslim brethren in very, very wealthy Saudi Arabia ?
    Why are they being pushed into Europe ?


    ----
    * http://time.com/4042813/syria-refugee-civil-war-isis/
    [Military-aged males are at the forefront of the human torrent flowing into Europe from Syria,..]

  186. The Syrian Civil War was a primarily US sponsored project to weaponize their Islamist lackeys to break up Syria for make benefit of Israel.

    Iran is the primary target of Israel and leading Israeli commentators opposed the US hitting Assad with airstrikes because it would make it difficult to hit Iran.

    … to hope for the collapse of the Hashemite Kingdom and its occupation by Daesh or some similar organization. That would create an opportunity to repeat the events of 1948 and throw the Palestinians of the West Bank across the River Jordan. This is the “solution” a great many Israelis secretly favor. And the longer the present uprising lasts, the larger their number will grow. http://www.martin-van-creveld.com/?p=433

    Israel has one problem, and grabbing territory from Syria is not going to solve it.

    • Replies: @geokat62
    LOL
    , @annamaria
    perhaps, but this opinion disagrees with Israeli policies as they were spelled out by the generations of Israeli politicians and analytics: The Greater Israel needs land. The land could be gotten only if the neighbors are weak. Therefore, the neighbors must be made weak.

    http://www.danielpipes.org/247/imperial-israel-the-nile-to-euphrates-calumny
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/plans-for-redrawing-the-middle-east-the-project-for-a-new-middle-east/3882
  187. @Seamus Padraig

    The multicultural left descend from Trotskyism. The cuckold right are the neo-cons who descend from…Trotskyism. You can hardly win.
     
    It kind of makes me think that Stalin knew what he was doing when he threw Trotsky out of the country. Not only did he thereby save Russia, but he also created a true existential danger for the west!

    Bogeymen to left, bogeymen to the right!

    Trotsky must have been some sort of Genghis Khan of political ideas.

  188. @annamaria
    Bill Jones. Q: "You do realize Hollande was bombing Damascus, don’t you?"
    Robert Rediger. A: "It could never have happened if France hadn’t allowed those Muslims in."

    The above question suggested a cause and effect. Your answer suggests that you had never heard about the (illegal) US/EU/UK wars in the Middle East, which have been running for the last 14 years. The aggressors, US/EU/UK/Israel, used superior weaponry that – surprise! - has been generously delivered to the liver-eaters as well. The royal sponsors of terror (Saudi, Qatar...) have never been punished, or even reprimanded for their generous support of the terrorists. After 14 years of bloody mayhem, Europe had suddenly discovered that when people are bombed, they are looking for a shelter. The waves of the homeless, weak, and wounded (courtesy of US/EU/UK/Israel' superior weaponry) were joined by the terrorists - some used to be the receivers of the royals' (and US') largesse. These unwelcome newcomers include, without any doubt, the "moderate" freedom fighters financed and nurtured by the US' imbecile strategists and by pampered royal sponsors. The militant newcomers were trained to kill and maim by their politicking sponsors.

    There would be no Islamic terrorism in Europe if kind hearted Europeans had never let Muslims into their homeland.

    • Replies: @geokat62

    There would be no Islamic terrorism in Europe if kind hearted Europeans had never let Muslims into their homeland.
     
    One small adjustment and your statement is bang on:

    There would be no Islamic terrorism in Europe if kind hearted Europeans had not helped the Zionist cause by bombing Muslim countries and, by so doing, they would have avoided having to let Muslims into their homeland.
     
    P.S. Leading members of the George W Bush administration along with Blair and the leading neocons/Israel firsters must be brought to justice for the crime of launching an aggressive war against Iraq. The names of the leading neocon/Israel firsters are:

    Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Douglas Feith, Lewis Scooter Libby, Michael Ledeen, The Kagan clan, including Victoria Nudelman, The Kristol clan, The Podhoretz clan, Joe Lieberman, Chuck Schumer, John Hagee, Pat Robertson, Elliot Abrams, Eliot A. Cohen, Charles Krauthammer, David Frum, John Bolton, Jennifer Rubin, Joshua Muravchik, Michael Rubin, Daniel Pipes, Marc Grossman, James Woolsey, Michael Chertoff, Rudy Giuliani, Newt Gingrich.
  189. @Anonymous
    Lame.

    Let's have a rape quotient for blacks. Or a financial scam quotient for Jews. Etc etc.

    Lesser HBD writers such as yourself don't really have a natural curiosity of how people really act. You just try to find genetic links to back your preconceived stereotypes of how people act.

    Let’s have a rape quotient for blacks. Or a financial scam quotient for Jews. Etc etc.

    Why not? That would simply be one way of describing reality.

  190. @annamaria
    Bill Jones. Q: "You do realize Hollande was bombing Damascus, don’t you?"
    Robert Rediger. A: "It could never have happened if France hadn’t allowed those Muslims in."

    The above question suggested a cause and effect. Your answer suggests that you had never heard about the (illegal) US/EU/UK wars in the Middle East, which have been running for the last 14 years. The aggressors, US/EU/UK/Israel, used superior weaponry that – surprise! - has been generously delivered to the liver-eaters as well. The royal sponsors of terror (Saudi, Qatar...) have never been punished, or even reprimanded for their generous support of the terrorists. After 14 years of bloody mayhem, Europe had suddenly discovered that when people are bombed, they are looking for a shelter. The waves of the homeless, weak, and wounded (courtesy of US/EU/UK/Israel' superior weaponry) were joined by the terrorists - some used to be the receivers of the royals' (and US') largesse. These unwelcome newcomers include, without any doubt, the "moderate" freedom fighters financed and nurtured by the US' imbecile strategists and by pampered royal sponsors. The militant newcomers were trained to kill and maim by their politicking sponsors.

    {The waves of the homeless, weak, and wounded …..}

    Again: you obfuscate facts to promote your agenda of Islamizing Europe.

    #1 Yes: US, UK, France, Germany, Israel (behind the scenes) are responsible for creating ISIS and the horror that has enveloped Syria for 4 years. But so are several Muslim states.
    #2 Turkey is the number 1 supporter of ISIS. So is Saudi Arabia and so is Qatar.
    #3 Syrian refugees are reaching Europe through Turkey.
    #4 Syrian refugees were living in Turkey since the destruction of Syria was launched 4 years ago, spearheaded by Turkey.
    #5 Syrian refugees were/are kept in internment camps in Turkey: they are not allowed to work and are not allowed to integrate. Why not ? They are fellow Muslims, are they not ? (I give the reason below).
    #6 Even though Syrians were kept in internment camps in Turkey, they were in no danger. Suddenly Turkey opens the floodgates, and starts sending waves of Syrian “refugees” to Europe. The problem with the “weak, homeless,…” false narrative is that 80%-90% of “refugees” are healthy, young men*. Take a look at any any of 1000s of pictures widely available on the net.

    #7 The criminal, genocidal, anti-Christian IslamoFascist Turks did it for several reasons:
    A) Short term: blackmail Europe into essentially opening EU doors for Turkey to join EU.
    B) Long term: Turks’ centuries old dream is to Islamize Europe. They failed to do so militarily. So they have a Plan B: Join EU, and flood Europe with 75-80 million Muslims. Who, in time, will ethnically cleanse or forcibly Islamize every last Christian in Europe.

    Lights out Western civilization.

    A question to our Muslim guests: why is it that Syrian “refugees” are not accepted with open arms by their Muslim brethren in very, very wealthy Saudi Arabia ?
    Why are they being pushed into Europe ?

    —-
    * http://time.com/4042813/syria-refugee-civil-war-isis/
    [Military-aged males are at the forefront of the human torrent flowing into Europe from Syria,..]

    • Replies: @geokat62

    #1 Yes: US, UK, France, Germany, Israel (behind the scenes) are responsible for creating ISIS and the horror that has enveloped Syria for 4 years. But so are several Muslim states.
     
    Zionist game-plan:
    Act I - Destroy Sunni-ruled Iraq and Libya
    Act II - Join forces with Sunni Muslims to destroy Hezbollah, and Shia-ruled Syria and Iran.
    Act III - take care of remaining Sunni Muslims

    P.S. Leading members of the George W Bush administration along with Blair and the leading neocons/Israel firsters must be brought to justice for the crime of launching an aggressive war against Iraq. The names of the leading neocon/Israel firsters are:

    Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Douglas Feith, Lewis Scooter Libby, Michael Ledeen, The Kagan clan, including Victoria Nudelman, The Kristol clan, The Podhoretz clan, Joe Lieberman, Chuck Schumer, John Hagee, Pat Robertson, Elliot Abrams, Eliot A. Cohen, Charles Krauthammer, David Frum, John Bolton, Jennifer Rubin, Joshua Muravchik, Michael Rubin, Daniel Pipes, Marc Grossman, James Woolsey, Michael Chertoff, Rudy Giuliani, Newt Gingrich.
    , @L.K
    Ok Avery, listen here; Everyone by now gets it; you r an Armenian and you hate Turkey and Muslims.

    "2 Turkey is the number 1 supporter of ISIS. So is Saudi Arabia and so is Qatar."

    Are u too prejudiced/disingenuous to understand that all of the above countries WOULD NOT be carrying out their support for ISIS if the US TRULY opposed it???

    Are you really so blind as to which group has basically hijacked US foreign policy in the MENA region and to a degree, even beyond it??

    The saudis & other gulfies and the turks DO NOT have anywhere near the kind of influence on the US foreign policy establishment to push it to conduct policies that r contrary to US national interests.
    The Zionists do.
    The record is clear in this regard.


    In "The People Against the 800 Pound Gorilla", JEAN BRICMONT and DIANA JOHNSTONE wrote regarding the moment when ZUSA nearly attacked Syria:

    An American friend who knows Washington well recently told us that “everybody” there knows that, as far as the drive to war with Syria is concerned, it is Israel that directs U.S. policy. Why then, we replied, don’t opponents of war say it out loud, since, if the American public knew that, support for the war would collapse? Of course, we knew the answer to that question. They are afraid to say all they know, because if you blame the pro-Israel lobby, you are branded an anti-Semite in the media and your career is destroyed.
    ...
    For evidence, it should be enough to quote some recent headlines from the American and Israeli press.

    First, according to the Times of Israel (not exactly an anti-Zionist rag): “Israel intelligence seen as central to U.S. case against Syria.”[2] (Perhaps the fact that it is “central” also explains why it is so dubious[3].)

    Then, in Haaretz[4]: “AIPAC to deploy hundreds of lobbyists to push for Syria action”. Or, in U.S. News and World Report[5]: “Pro-Israel lobby Seeks to Turn Tide on Syria Debate in Congress”. According to Bloomberg[6]: “Adelson New Obama Ally as Jewish Groups Back Syria Strike”. The worst enemies of Obama become his allies, provided he does what “Jewish groups” want. Even rabbis enter the dance: according to the Times of Israel[7], “U.S. rabbis urge Congress to back Obama on Syria”.

    The New York Times explained some of the logic behind the pressure: “Administration officials said the influential pro-Israel lobby group AIPAC was already at work pressing for military action against the government of Mr. Assad, fearing that if Syria escapes American retribution for its use of chemical weapons, Iran might be emboldened in the future to attack Israel. … One administration official, who, like others, declined to be identified discussing White House strategy, called AIPAC ‘the 800-pound gorilla in the room,’ and said its allies in Congress had to be saying, ‘If the White House is not capable of enforcing this red line’ against the catastrophic use of chemical weapons, ‘we’re in trouble’.”
    ...
    There are indeed forces other than the Israel lobby pushing for war. It is true that some neighboring countries like Saudi Arabia or Turkey also want to destroy Syria, for their own reasons. But they have nowhere near the political influence on the United States of the Israel lobby.
     
    The Erdogan regime is, obviously, guilty as sin, and is fighting an illegal proxy war against Syria, same with the pre-iron age Saudi nihilists(& other gulf emirates), but their contribution must be seen within the context of the regime change op spearheaded and butressed by Zusa and its zio operatives.

    Also, you have to be extremely silly if you buy into the notion that Turkey opened the floodgates into Europe all by itself, without any coordination with Zamerican intel and even sectors of the traitorous euro deep state( Zusas vassals, the lot of them).

    BTW, it's fine with me that u hate the turks, but at least get some basic facts right. The 'turks' from Turkey are NOT, in general, central asians. Such notion is obviously false.
    Modern genetics show the population of Turkey had little genetic input from central Asia.
  191. @Clyde
    Seems to me you are a typical atheist who has it in for Evangelical Christians. One, because they are Christian. Two, because most support Israel.

    “One, because they are Christian. Two, because most support Israel.”

    No true Christian can support Israeli actions against the Palestinian people.

    Every group has its crazies, its 20% right wing fascist loons.

    The the problem for The Jew is that 80% are right wing fascists

    • Replies: @KA
    www.counterpunch.com
    Donald Neff: a journalist Erased From History for Reporting on Palestine
    July 8,2015

    Why Christians until now has been swallowing the mud sparyed by the type of Leon Uris and his ilk and thousands other occupying gatekeeping perches could be understood by looking into who was allowed to get his book come to the circulation and who was not . Also by looking into the me chanism behind how some book overnight get to become best seller on NYT 's list .
    Zionist learnt the trick way back in 1944.
    Palestine ,Land of Promise by Walter Clay Lowdermilk was such a lucky book.
    Now Holloywood does a better job and gets the Oscar .

    Truth sets people free . Pschological Bondage can be mantained easily by withholding the information.
  192. […] a guerra não declarada do ‘ocidente’ contra o presidente Assad e a Síria – como há uns que desejam e outros que temem – estaremos diante de exercício de extrema […]

  193. @This Is Our Home
    There would be no Islamic terrorism in Europe if kind hearted Europeans had never let Muslims into their homeland.

    There would be no Islamic terrorism in Europe if kind hearted Europeans had never let Muslims into their homeland.

    One small adjustment and your statement is bang on:

    There would be no Islamic terrorism in Europe if kind hearted Europeans had not helped the Zionist cause by bombing Muslim countries and, by so doing, they would have avoided having to let Muslims into their homeland.

    P.S. Leading members of the George W Bush administration along with Blair and the leading neocons/Israel firsters must be brought to justice for the crime of launching an aggressive war against Iraq. The names of the leading neocon/Israel firsters are:

    Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Douglas Feith, Lewis Scooter Libby, Michael Ledeen, The Kagan clan, including Victoria Nudelman, The Kristol clan, The Podhoretz clan, Joe Lieberman, Chuck Schumer, John Hagee, Pat Robertson, Elliot Abrams, Eliot A. Cohen, Charles Krauthammer, David Frum, John Bolton, Jennifer Rubin, Joshua Muravchik, Michael Rubin, Daniel Pipes, Marc Grossman, James Woolsey, Michael Chertoff, Rudy Giuliani, Newt Gingrich.

    • Replies: @This Is Our Home

    There would be no Islamic terrorism in Europe if kind hearted Europeans had not helped the Zionist cause by bombing Muslim countries and, by so doing, they would have avoided having to let Muslims into their homeland.
     
    There's no point in talking to you I know, but this comment is egregiously stupid.

    The root of Muslim immigration to France is obviously not the Syrian bombings. How ignorant are you?
  194. @Avery
    {The waves of the homeless, weak, and wounded .....}

    Again: you obfuscate facts to promote your agenda of Islamizing Europe.

    #1 Yes: US, UK, France, Germany, Israel (behind the scenes) are responsible for creating ISIS and the horror that has enveloped Syria for 4 years. But so are several Muslim states.
    #2 Turkey is the number 1 supporter of ISIS. So is Saudi Arabia and so is Qatar.
    #3 Syrian refugees are reaching Europe through Turkey.
    #4 Syrian refugees were living in Turkey since the destruction of Syria was launched 4 years ago, spearheaded by Turkey.
    #5 Syrian refugees were/are kept in internment camps in Turkey: they are not allowed to work and are not allowed to integrate. Why not ? They are fellow Muslims, are they not ? (I give the reason below).
    #6 Even though Syrians were kept in internment camps in Turkey, they were in no danger. Suddenly Turkey opens the floodgates, and starts sending waves of Syrian "refugees" to Europe. The problem with the "weak, homeless,..." false narrative is that 80%-90% of "refugees" are healthy, young men*. Take a look at any any of 1000s of pictures widely available on the net.

    #7 The criminal, genocidal, anti-Christian IslamoFascist Turks did it for several reasons:
    A) Short term: blackmail Europe into essentially opening EU doors for Turkey to join EU.
    B) Long term: Turks' centuries old dream is to Islamize Europe. They failed to do so militarily. So they have a Plan B: Join EU, and flood Europe with 75-80 million Muslims. Who, in time, will ethnically cleanse or forcibly Islamize every last Christian in Europe.

    Lights out Western civilization.

    A question to our Muslim guests: why is it that Syrian "refugees" are not accepted with open arms by their Muslim brethren in very, very wealthy Saudi Arabia ?
    Why are they being pushed into Europe ?


    ----
    * http://time.com/4042813/syria-refugee-civil-war-isis/
    [Military-aged males are at the forefront of the human torrent flowing into Europe from Syria,..]

    #1 Yes: US, UK, France, Germany, Israel (behind the scenes) are responsible for creating ISIS and the horror that has enveloped Syria for 4 years. But so are several Muslim states.

    Zionist game-plan:
    Act I – Destroy Sunni-ruled Iraq and Libya
    Act II – Join forces with Sunni Muslims to destroy Hezbollah, and Shia-ruled Syria and Iran.
    Act III – take care of remaining Sunni Muslims

    P.S. Leading members of the George W Bush administration along with Blair and the leading neocons/Israel firsters must be brought to justice for the crime of launching an aggressive war against Iraq. The names of the leading neocon/Israel firsters are:

    Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Douglas Feith, Lewis Scooter Libby, Michael Ledeen, The Kagan clan, including Victoria Nudelman, The Kristol clan, The Podhoretz clan, Joe Lieberman, Chuck Schumer, John Hagee, Pat Robertson, Elliot Abrams, Eliot A. Cohen, Charles Krauthammer, David Frum, John Bolton, Jennifer Rubin, Joshua Muravchik, Michael Rubin, Daniel Pipes, Marc Grossman, James Woolsey, Michael Chertoff, Rudy Giuliani, Newt Gingrich.

  195. @Sean

    The Syrian Civil War was a primarily US sponsored project to weaponize their Islamist lackeys to break up Syria for make benefit of Israel.
     
    Iran is the primary target of Israel and leading Israeli commentators opposed the US hitting Assad with airstrikes because it would make it difficult to hit Iran.

    ... to hope for the collapse of the Hashemite Kingdom and its occupation by Daesh or some similar organization. That would create an opportunity to repeat the events of 1948 and throw the Palestinians of the West Bank across the River Jordan. This is the “solution” a great many Israelis secretly favor. And the longer the present uprising lasts, the larger their number will grow. http://www.martin-van-creveld.com/?p=433
     
    Israel has one problem, and grabbing territory from Syria is not going to solve it.

    LOL

    • Replies: @geokat62
    I already responded to this Hasbara:

    http://www.unz.com/akarlin/the-paris-terror-attacks/#comment-1226399
  196. @This Is Our Home

    You do realize Hollande was bombing Damascus, don’t you?

    What did he think would happen.
     
    It could never have happened if France hadn't allowed those Muslims in.

    “those Muslims” – Yes, these special newcomers include the so-called “moderate” freedom fighters financed and nurtured by the US’ strategists and by royal sponsors of Saudi Arabia and Qatar.

    Robert Rediger, this universe functions according to the law of cause and effect.
    Let’s try again. Here is a ropost in response to your out-of-time-and-space post:
    “Your answer suggests that you had never heard about the (illegal) US/EU/UK wars in the Middle East, which have been running for the last 14 years. The aggressors, US/EU/UK/Israel, used superior weaponry that – surprise! – has been generously delivered to the liver-eaters as well. The royal sponsors of terror (Saudi, Qatar…) have never been punished, or even reprimanded for their generous support of the terrorists. After 14 years of bloody mayhem, Europe had suddenly discovered that when people are bombed, they are looking for a shelter. The waves of the homeless, weak, and wounded (courtesy the US/EU/UK/Israel’ superior weaponry) were joined by the terrorists – some of these terrorists used to be the receivers of the royals’ (and US’) largesse. These unwelcome newcomers include, without any doubt, the “moderate” freedom fighters financed and nurtured by the US’ strategists and by royal sponsors of Saudi Arabia and Qatar. The militant newcomers were trained to kill and maim by their politicking sponsors.”
    The powerful sponsors of terrorism deserve to be punished, not the innocent victims of the Paris terract and not the innocent victims of the Middle East wars.

  197. @Sean

    The Syrian Civil War was a primarily US sponsored project to weaponize their Islamist lackeys to break up Syria for make benefit of Israel.
     
    Iran is the primary target of Israel and leading Israeli commentators opposed the US hitting Assad with airstrikes because it would make it difficult to hit Iran.

    ... to hope for the collapse of the Hashemite Kingdom and its occupation by Daesh or some similar organization. That would create an opportunity to repeat the events of 1948 and throw the Palestinians of the West Bank across the River Jordan. This is the “solution” a great many Israelis secretly favor. And the longer the present uprising lasts, the larger their number will grow. http://www.martin-van-creveld.com/?p=433
     
    Israel has one problem, and grabbing territory from Syria is not going to solve it.

    perhaps, but this opinion disagrees with Israeli policies as they were spelled out by the generations of Israeli politicians and analytics: The Greater Israel needs land. The land could be gotten only if the neighbors are weak. Therefore, the neighbors must be made weak.

    http://www.danielpipes.org/247/imperial-israel-the-nile-to-euphrates-calumny
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/plans-for-redrawing-the-middle-east-the-project-for-a-new-middle-east/3882

    • Replies: @Sean
    "Generations" ago perhaps. Israel needed land once, it doesn't now it has the West Bank. Iran is the main target of Israel because Iran is backing the Palestinians like Iraq was. Israel needs to solve the the West bank Palestinian problem. They are not giving up and drifting away as Israeli strategists hoped. Israel does not need any more west banks, so the idea that it wants to take territory is outdated. The border walls are a sign of wanting to keep what they have walled in, but some West Bank areas are outside the wall. As far as I can see there isn't any appetite for further territorial expansion in Israel.
  198. @Avery
    {The waves of the homeless, weak, and wounded .....}

    Again: you obfuscate facts to promote your agenda of Islamizing Europe.

    #1 Yes: US, UK, France, Germany, Israel (behind the scenes) are responsible for creating ISIS and the horror that has enveloped Syria for 4 years. But so are several Muslim states.
    #2 Turkey is the number 1 supporter of ISIS. So is Saudi Arabia and so is Qatar.
    #3 Syrian refugees are reaching Europe through Turkey.
    #4 Syrian refugees were living in Turkey since the destruction of Syria was launched 4 years ago, spearheaded by Turkey.
    #5 Syrian refugees were/are kept in internment camps in Turkey: they are not allowed to work and are not allowed to integrate. Why not ? They are fellow Muslims, are they not ? (I give the reason below).
    #6 Even though Syrians were kept in internment camps in Turkey, they were in no danger. Suddenly Turkey opens the floodgates, and starts sending waves of Syrian "refugees" to Europe. The problem with the "weak, homeless,..." false narrative is that 80%-90% of "refugees" are healthy, young men*. Take a look at any any of 1000s of pictures widely available on the net.

    #7 The criminal, genocidal, anti-Christian IslamoFascist Turks did it for several reasons:
    A) Short term: blackmail Europe into essentially opening EU doors for Turkey to join EU.
    B) Long term: Turks' centuries old dream is to Islamize Europe. They failed to do so militarily. So they have a Plan B: Join EU, and flood Europe with 75-80 million Muslims. Who, in time, will ethnically cleanse or forcibly Islamize every last Christian in Europe.

    Lights out Western civilization.

    A question to our Muslim guests: why is it that Syrian "refugees" are not accepted with open arms by their Muslim brethren in very, very wealthy Saudi Arabia ?
    Why are they being pushed into Europe ?


    ----
    * http://time.com/4042813/syria-refugee-civil-war-isis/
    [Military-aged males are at the forefront of the human torrent flowing into Europe from Syria,..]

    Ok Avery, listen here; Everyone by now gets it; you r an Armenian and you hate Turkey and Muslims.

    “2 Turkey is the number 1 supporter of ISIS. So is Saudi Arabia and so is Qatar.”

    Are u too prejudiced/disingenuous to understand that all of the above countries WOULD NOT be carrying out their support for ISIS if the US TRULY opposed it???

    Are you really so blind as to which group has basically hijacked US foreign policy in the MENA region and to a degree, even beyond it??

    The saudis & other gulfies and the turks DO NOT have anywhere near the kind of influence on the US foreign policy establishment to push it to conduct policies that r contrary to US national interests.
    The Zionists do.
    The record is clear in this regard.

    In “The People Against the 800 Pound Gorilla”, JEAN BRICMONT and DIANA JOHNSTONE wrote regarding the moment when ZUSA nearly attacked Syria:

    An American friend who knows Washington well recently told us that “everybody” there knows that, as far as the drive to war with Syria is concerned, it is Israel that directs U.S. policy. Why then, we replied, don’t opponents of war say it out loud, since, if the American public knew that, support for the war would collapse? Of course, we knew the answer to that question. They are afraid to say all they know, because if you blame the pro-Israel lobby, you are branded an anti-Semite in the media and your career is destroyed.

    For evidence, it should be enough to quote some recent headlines from the American and Israeli press.

    First, according to the Times of Israel (not exactly an anti-Zionist rag): “Israel intelligence seen as central to U.S. case against Syria.”[2] (Perhaps the fact that it is “central” also explains why it is so dubious[3].)

    Then, in Haaretz[4]: “AIPAC to deploy hundreds of lobbyists to push for Syria action”. Or, in U.S. News and World Report[5]: “Pro-Israel lobby Seeks to Turn Tide on Syria Debate in Congress”. According to Bloomberg[6]: “Adelson New Obama Ally as Jewish Groups Back Syria Strike”. The worst enemies of Obama become his allies, provided he does what “Jewish groups” want. Even rabbis enter the dance: according to the Times of Israel[7], “U.S. rabbis urge Congress to back Obama on Syria”.

    The New York Times explained some of the logic behind the pressure: “Administration officials said the influential pro-Israel lobby group AIPAC was already at work pressing for military action against the government of Mr. Assad, fearing that if Syria escapes American retribution for its use of chemical weapons, Iran might be emboldened in the future to attack Israel. … One administration official, who, like others, declined to be identified discussing White House strategy, called AIPAC ‘the 800-pound gorilla in the room,’ and said its allies in Congress had to be saying, ‘If the White House is not capable of enforcing this red line’ against the catastrophic use of chemical weapons, ‘we’re in trouble’.”

    There are indeed forces other than the Israel lobby pushing for war. It is true that some neighboring countries like Saudi Arabia or Turkey also want to destroy Syria, for their own reasons. But they have nowhere near the political influence on the United States of the Israel lobby.

    The Erdogan regime is, obviously, guilty as sin, and is fighting an illegal proxy war against Syria, same with the pre-iron age Saudi nihilists(& other gulf emirates), but their contribution must be seen within the context of the regime change op spearheaded and butressed by Zusa and its zio operatives.

    Also, you have to be extremely silly if you buy into the notion that Turkey opened the floodgates into Europe all by itself, without any coordination with Zamerican intel and even sectors of the traitorous euro deep state( Zusas vassals, the lot of them).

    BTW, it’s fine with me that u hate the turks, but at least get some basic facts right. The ‘turks’ from Turkey are NOT, in general, central asians. Such notion is obviously false.
    Modern genetics show the population of Turkey had little genetic input from central Asia.

  199. @Art
    "One, because they are Christian. Two, because most support Israel."

    No true Christian can support Israeli actions against the Palestinian people.

    Every group has its crazies, its 20% right wing fascist loons.

    The the problem for The Jew is that 80% are right wing fascists

    http://www.counterpunch.com
    Donald Neff: a journalist Erased From History for Reporting on Palestine
    July 8,2015

    Why Christians until now has been swallowing the mud sparyed by the type of Leon Uris and his ilk and thousands other occupying gatekeeping perches could be understood by looking into who was allowed to get his book come to the circulation and who was not . Also by looking into the me chanism behind how some book overnight get to become best seller on NYT ‘s list .
    Zionist learnt the trick way back in 1944.
    Palestine ,Land of Promise by Walter Clay Lowdermilk was such a lucky book.
    Now Holloywood does a better job and gets the Oscar .

    Truth sets people free . Pschological Bondage can be mantained easily by withholding the information.

  200. @Marais

    Are those the same sanctions that led to the death of 500,000 innocent children? I trust you’re not “one who would argue (for) loosening” them.
     
    I’m not sure I understand your question.

    Generally I prefer sanctions (when justified) to war. In this case the sanctions were part of a larger neocon strategy to remove Saddam. I don’t believe they were warranted: Saddam was largely disarmed. The half million deaths and Albright’s “We think the price is worth it” were criminal.

    On the other hand, if you think sanctions would have endured past 2003 I have a more lengthy response.

    I’m not sure I understand your question.

    Apologies, I meant to write: I trust you were not “one who argued (against) loosening” them.

    Since you don’t believe they were warranted, we’re on the same page.

  201. @Marais
    Neocon additions:

    David and Meyrav Wumser;
    Joseph Lieberman;
    Eliot Engel;
    Ed Royce;
    Sheldon Adelson

    Torture additions:

    Bruce Jessen (psychologist, master torturer)
    James Mitchell (Jessen’s partner, torture implementer)
    Timothy Flanigan (deputy White House Counsel under Gonzales);
    Jay Bybee (Yoo’s boss, signed the torture memo);
    Robert Delahunty (co-author of the torture memo);

    Actually, it’s easier to list a reference: http://tortureaccountability.org/

    Actually, it’s easier to list a reference…

    While I agree it may be easier, it doesn’t have the same impact as seeing these names repeated over and over again.

    P.S. Leading members of the George W Bush administration along with Blair and the leading neocons/Israel firsters must be brought to justice for the crime of launching an aggressive war against Iraq. The names of the leading neocon/Israel firsters are:

    Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Douglas Feith, Lewis Scooter Libby, Michael Ledeen, The Kagan clan, including Victoria Nudelman, The Kristol clan, The Podhoretz clan, David and Meyrav Wurmser, Joe Lieberman, Chuck Schumer, John Hagee, Pat Robertson, Elliot Abrams, Eliot A. Cohen, Eliot Engel, Charles Krauthammer, David Frum, John Bolton, Jennifer Rubin, Joshua Muravchik, Michael Rubin, Ed Royce, Daniel Pipes, Marc Grossman, James Woolsey, Michael Chertoff, Sheldon Adelson, Rudy Giuliani, Newt Gingrich.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus

    it doesn’t have the same impact as seeing these names repeated over and over again.
     
    imo it would have more impact if the names were listed in a column rather than in a paragraph

    Paul Wolfowitz,
    Richard Perle,
    Douglas Feith,
    Lewis Scooter Libby,
    Michael Ledeen,
    The Kagan clan, including Victoria Nudelman,
    The Kristol clan,
    The Podhoretz clan,
    David and Meyrav Wurmser,
    Joe Lieberman,
    Chuck Schumer,
    John Hagee,
    Pat Robertson,
    Elliot Abrams,
    Eliot A. Cohen,
    Eliot Engel,
    Charles Krauthammer,
    David Frum,
    John Bolton,
    Jennifer Rubin,
    Joshua Muravchik,
    Michael Rubin,
    Ed Royce,
    Daniel Pipes,
    Marc Grossman,
    James Woolsey,
    Michael Chertoff,
    Sheldon Adelson,
    Rudy Giuliani,
    Newt Gingrich.
  202. This Is Our Home [AKA "Robert Rediger"] says:
    @geokat62

    There would be no Islamic terrorism in Europe if kind hearted Europeans had never let Muslims into their homeland.
     
    One small adjustment and your statement is bang on:

    There would be no Islamic terrorism in Europe if kind hearted Europeans had not helped the Zionist cause by bombing Muslim countries and, by so doing, they would have avoided having to let Muslims into their homeland.
     
    P.S. Leading members of the George W Bush administration along with Blair and the leading neocons/Israel firsters must be brought to justice for the crime of launching an aggressive war against Iraq. The names of the leading neocon/Israel firsters are:

    Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Douglas Feith, Lewis Scooter Libby, Michael Ledeen, The Kagan clan, including Victoria Nudelman, The Kristol clan, The Podhoretz clan, Joe Lieberman, Chuck Schumer, John Hagee, Pat Robertson, Elliot Abrams, Eliot A. Cohen, Charles Krauthammer, David Frum, John Bolton, Jennifer Rubin, Joshua Muravchik, Michael Rubin, Daniel Pipes, Marc Grossman, James Woolsey, Michael Chertoff, Rudy Giuliani, Newt Gingrich.

    There would be no Islamic terrorism in Europe if kind hearted Europeans had not helped the Zionist cause by bombing Muslim countries and, by so doing, they would have avoided having to let Muslims into their homeland.

    There’s no point in talking to you I know, but this comment is egregiously stupid.

    The root of Muslim immigration to France is obviously not the Syrian bombings. How ignorant are you?

    • Replies: @geokat62

    The root of Muslim immigration to France is obviously not the Syrian bombings. How ignorant are you?
     
    A couple of references:

    Amid reports that one of the Paris attackers travelled to Europe hidden on a refugee boat, the far-right leader Marine Le Pen has called for an “immediate halt” to France’s intake of asylum-seekers...

    And while those measures are in part to prevent the escape of those who planned and helped carry out the attacks on the French capital, political leaders in Poland, Latvia, Slovakia and the Czech Republic have issued statements linking the attacks to the numbers arriving.
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/paris-attacks-syrian-refugees-put-shootings-in-french-capital-in-perspective-a6736361.html
     
    btw - here is the estimated distribution of Muslims by affiliated countries in 1999:

    Algeria 1,550,000
    Morocco 1,000,000
    Tunisia 350,000
    Turkey 315,000
    Sub-Saharan Africa 250,000
    Middle East 100,000
    remaining Asia (mostly Pakistan and Bangladesh) 100,000
    Converts 40,000
    illegal immigrants or awaiting regularisation 350,000
    Other 100,000
    Total 4,155,000

    As for the group that tops this list, , , 900,000 European-Algerians (Pieds-noirs) fled to France in 1962, in fear of the FLN's revenge at the conclusion of Algeria's war of independence from France.
    , @annamaria
    Robert Rediger, You are free to add the names of Israeli politicians that were particularly active in making a cause for war with Iraq, Libya, and Syria:

    "Leading members of the George W Bush administration along with Blair and the leading neocons/Israel firsters must be brought to justice for the crime of launching an aggressive war against Iraq. The names of the leading neocon/Israel firsters are:

    Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Douglas Feith, Lewis Scooter Libby, Michael Ledeen, The Kagan clan, including Victoria Nudelman, The Kristol clan, The Podhoretz clan, David and Meyrav Wurmser, Joe Lieberman, Chuck Schumer, John Hagee, Pat Robertson, Eternal World Television Network (EWTN), Elliot Abrams, Eliot A. Cohen, Eliot Engel, Charles Krauthammer, David Frum, John Bolton, Jennifer Rubin, Joshua Muravchik, Michael Rubin, Ed Royce, Daniel Pipes, Marc Grossman, James Woolsey, Michael Chertoff, Sheldon Adelson, Rudy Giuliani, Newt Gingrich.

    The names of the torture facilitators are:
    Bruce Jessen (psychologist, master torturer)
    James Mitchell (Jessen’s partner, torture implementer)
    Alberto Gonzales (Attorney General)
    Timothy Flanigan (deputy White House Counsel under Gonzales);
    John Yoo (Deputy Assistant U.S. Attorney General)
    John Rizzo (Acting General Counsel of the CIA)
    Jay Bybee (Yoo’s boss, signed the torture memo);
    Robert Delahunty (co-author of the torture memo);
  203. @This Is Our Home

    There would be no Islamic terrorism in Europe if kind hearted Europeans had not helped the Zionist cause by bombing Muslim countries and, by so doing, they would have avoided having to let Muslims into their homeland.
     
    There's no point in talking to you I know, but this comment is egregiously stupid.

    The root of Muslim immigration to France is obviously not the Syrian bombings. How ignorant are you?

    The root of Muslim immigration to France is obviously not the Syrian bombings. How ignorant are you?

    A couple of references:

    Amid reports that one of the Paris attackers travelled to Europe hidden on a refugee boat, the far-right leader Marine Le Pen has called for an “immediate halt” to France’s intake of asylum-seekers…

    And while those measures are in part to prevent the escape of those who planned and helped carry out the attacks on the French capital, political leaders in Poland, Latvia, Slovakia and the Czech Republic have issued statements linking the attacks to the numbers arriving.
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/paris-attacks-syrian-refugees-put-shootings-in-french-capital-in-perspective-a6736361.html

    btw – here is the estimated distribution of Muslims by affiliated countries in 1999:

    Algeria 1,550,000
    Morocco 1,000,000
    Tunisia 350,000
    Turkey 315,000
    Sub-Saharan Africa 250,000
    Middle East 100,000
    remaining Asia (mostly Pakistan and Bangladesh) 100,000
    Converts 40,000
    illegal immigrants or awaiting regularisation 350,000
    Other 100,000
    Total 4,155,000

    As for the group that tops this list, , , 900,000 European-Algerians (Pieds-noirs) fled to France in 1962, in fear of the FLN’s revenge at the conclusion of Algeria’s war of independence from France.

    • Replies: @geokat62
    I should have noted that the list of immigrants I provided above is for France, alone.


    P.S. Leading members of the George W Bush administration along with Blair and the leading neocons/Israel firsters must be brought to justice for the crime of launching an aggressive war against Iraq. The names of the leading neocon/Israel firsters are:

    Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Douglas Feith, Lewis Scooter Libby, Michael Ledeen, The Kagan clan, including Victoria Nudelman, The Kristol clan, The Podhoretz clan, David and Meyrav Wurmser, Joe Lieberman, Chuck Schumer, John Hagee, Pat Robertson, Eternal World Television Network (EWTN), Elliot Abrams, Eliot A. Cohen, Eliot Engel, Charles Krauthammer, David Frum, John Bolton, Jennifer Rubin, Joshua Muravchik, Michael Rubin, Ed Royce, Daniel Pipes, Marc Grossman, James Woolsey, Michael Chertoff, Sheldon Adelson, Rudy Giuliani, Newt Gingrich.

    The names of the torture facilitators are:
    Bruce Jessen (psychologist, master torturer)
    James Mitchell (Jessen’s partner, torture implementer)
    Alberto Gonzales (Attorney General)
    Timothy Flanigan (deputy White House Counsel under Gonzales);
    John Yoo (Deputy Assistant U.S. Attorney General)
    John Rizzo (Acting General Counsel of the CIA)
    Jay Bybee (Yoo’s boss, signed the torture memo);
    Robert Delahunty (co-author of the torture memo);
  204. @geokat62

    The root of Muslim immigration to France is obviously not the Syrian bombings. How ignorant are you?
     
    A couple of references:

    Amid reports that one of the Paris attackers travelled to Europe hidden on a refugee boat, the far-right leader Marine Le Pen has called for an “immediate halt” to France’s intake of asylum-seekers...

    And while those measures are in part to prevent the escape of those who planned and helped carry out the attacks on the French capital, political leaders in Poland, Latvia, Slovakia and the Czech Republic have issued statements linking the attacks to the numbers arriving.
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/paris-attacks-syrian-refugees-put-shootings-in-french-capital-in-perspective-a6736361.html
     
    btw - here is the estimated distribution of Muslims by affiliated countries in 1999:

    Algeria 1,550,000
    Morocco 1,000,000
    Tunisia 350,000
    Turkey 315,000
    Sub-Saharan Africa 250,000
    Middle East 100,000
    remaining Asia (mostly Pakistan and Bangladesh) 100,000
    Converts 40,000
    illegal immigrants or awaiting regularisation 350,000
    Other 100,000
    Total 4,155,000

    As for the group that tops this list, , , 900,000 European-Algerians (Pieds-noirs) fled to France in 1962, in fear of the FLN's revenge at the conclusion of Algeria's war of independence from France.

    I should have noted that the list of immigrants I provided above is for France, alone.

    P.S. Leading members of the George W Bush administration along with Blair and the leading neocons/Israel firsters must be brought to justice for the crime of launching an aggressive war against Iraq. The names of the leading neocon/Israel firsters are:

    Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Douglas Feith, Lewis Scooter Libby, Michael Ledeen, The Kagan clan, including Victoria Nudelman, The Kristol clan, The Podhoretz clan, David and Meyrav Wurmser, Joe Lieberman, Chuck Schumer, John Hagee, Pat Robertson, Eternal World Television Network (EWTN), Elliot Abrams, Eliot A. Cohen, Eliot Engel, Charles Krauthammer, David Frum, John Bolton, Jennifer Rubin, Joshua Muravchik, Michael Rubin, Ed Royce, Daniel Pipes, Marc Grossman, James Woolsey, Michael Chertoff, Sheldon Adelson, Rudy Giuliani, Newt Gingrich.

    The names of the torture facilitators are:
    Bruce Jessen (psychologist, master torturer)
    James Mitchell (Jessen’s partner, torture implementer)
    Alberto Gonzales (Attorney General)
    Timothy Flanigan (deputy White House Counsel under Gonzales);
    John Yoo (Deputy Assistant U.S. Attorney General)
    John Rizzo (Acting General Counsel of the CIA)
    Jay Bybee (Yoo’s boss, signed the torture memo);
    Robert Delahunty (co-author of the torture memo);

  205. @This Is Our Home

    There would be no Islamic terrorism in Europe if kind hearted Europeans had not helped the Zionist cause by bombing Muslim countries and, by so doing, they would have avoided having to let Muslims into their homeland.
     
    There's no point in talking to you I know, but this comment is egregiously stupid.

    The root of Muslim immigration to France is obviously not the Syrian bombings. How ignorant are you?

    Robert Rediger, You are free to add the names of Israeli politicians that were particularly active in making a cause for war with Iraq, Libya, and Syria:

    “Leading members of the George W Bush administration along with Blair and the leading neocons/Israel firsters must be brought to justice for the crime of launching an aggressive war against Iraq. The names of the leading neocon/Israel firsters are:

    Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Douglas Feith, Lewis Scooter Libby, Michael Ledeen, The Kagan clan, including Victoria Nudelman, The Kristol clan, The Podhoretz clan, David and Meyrav Wurmser, Joe Lieberman, Chuck Schumer, John Hagee, Pat Robertson, Eternal World Television Network (EWTN), Elliot Abrams, Eliot A. Cohen, Eliot Engel, Charles Krauthammer, David Frum, John Bolton, Jennifer Rubin, Joshua Muravchik, Michael Rubin, Ed Royce, Daniel Pipes, Marc Grossman, James Woolsey, Michael Chertoff, Sheldon Adelson, Rudy Giuliani, Newt Gingrich.

    The names of the torture facilitators are:
    Bruce Jessen (psychologist, master torturer)
    James Mitchell (Jessen’s partner, torture implementer)
    Alberto Gonzales (Attorney General)
    Timothy Flanigan (deputy White House Counsel under Gonzales);
    John Yoo (Deputy Assistant U.S. Attorney General)
    John Rizzo (Acting General Counsel of the CIA)
    Jay Bybee (Yoo’s boss, signed the torture memo);
    Robert Delahunty (co-author of the torture memo);

    • Replies: @geokat62
    Annamarina, thanks for signing off with the list of names.

    If only one representative of the people would do what Cato the Elder would do - i.e., begin and end each speech with this statement.
  206. @annamaria
    perhaps, but this opinion disagrees with Israeli policies as they were spelled out by the generations of Israeli politicians and analytics: The Greater Israel needs land. The land could be gotten only if the neighbors are weak. Therefore, the neighbors must be made weak.

    http://www.danielpipes.org/247/imperial-israel-the-nile-to-euphrates-calumny
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/plans-for-redrawing-the-middle-east-the-project-for-a-new-middle-east/3882

    “Generations” ago perhaps. Israel needed land once, it doesn’t now it has the West Bank. Iran is the main target of Israel because Iran is backing the Palestinians like Iraq was. Israel needs to solve the the West bank Palestinian problem. They are not giving up and drifting away as Israeli strategists hoped. Israel does not need any more west banks, so the idea that it wants to take territory is outdated. The border walls are a sign of wanting to keep what they have walled in, but some West Bank areas are outside the wall. As far as I can see there isn’t any appetite for further territorial expansion in Israel.

    • Replies: @annamaria
    "Israel needed land once, it doesn’t now ...."
    Your statement would be stronger if Israel has set its borders. There are no permanent Israeli borders (like there is no Israeli Constitution). The uncertainty works to "madden the waters," figuratively speaking, for "fishing expeditions." The desirability of balkanization of the Middle East has been stated by prominent Israeli politicians and historians for too many times to simply dispose with the statement. It is quite possible that the Israel's involvement in the destabilization of ME would be the greatest stain on the history of Jewish people - as well as the ground for undoing the modern state of Israel. The morality-laced rationale for supporting Israel has deteriorated to the point that the support is gradually becoming immoral. Rather a sad story...
    , @annamaria
    "Israel needed land once, it doesn’t now ..."

    You suggest some impossible purity for Israel's intentions, whereas the facts on the ground tell a different story:
    "Israel has granted a U.S. company the first license to explore for oil and gas in the occupied Golan Heights, John Reed of the Financial Times reports. A local subsidiary of the New York-listed company Genie Energy — which is advised by former vice president Dick Cheney and whose shareholders include Jacob Rothschild and Rupert Murdoch — will now have exclusive rights to a 153-square mile radius in the southern part of the Golan Heights.
    That geographic location will likely prove controversial. Israel seized the Golan Heights in the Six-Day War in 1967 and annexed the territory in 1981. Its administration of the area — which is not recognized by international law — has been mostly peaceful until the Syrian civil war broke out 23 months ago. "This action is mostly political – it’s an attempt to deepen Israeli commitment to the occupied Golan Heights," Israeli political analyst Yaron Ezrahi told FT. "The timing is directly related to the fact that the Syrian government is dealing with violence and chaos and is not free to deal with this problem."
    http://www.businessinsider.com/israel-grants-golan-heights-oil-license-2013-2
  207. @annamaria
    Robert Rediger, You are free to add the names of Israeli politicians that were particularly active in making a cause for war with Iraq, Libya, and Syria:

    "Leading members of the George W Bush administration along with Blair and the leading neocons/Israel firsters must be brought to justice for the crime of launching an aggressive war against Iraq. The names of the leading neocon/Israel firsters are:

    Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Douglas Feith, Lewis Scooter Libby, Michael Ledeen, The Kagan clan, including Victoria Nudelman, The Kristol clan, The Podhoretz clan, David and Meyrav Wurmser, Joe Lieberman, Chuck Schumer, John Hagee, Pat Robertson, Eternal World Television Network (EWTN), Elliot Abrams, Eliot A. Cohen, Eliot Engel, Charles Krauthammer, David Frum, John Bolton, Jennifer Rubin, Joshua Muravchik, Michael Rubin, Ed Royce, Daniel Pipes, Marc Grossman, James Woolsey, Michael Chertoff, Sheldon Adelson, Rudy Giuliani, Newt Gingrich.

    The names of the torture facilitators are:
    Bruce Jessen (psychologist, master torturer)
    James Mitchell (Jessen’s partner, torture implementer)
    Alberto Gonzales (Attorney General)
    Timothy Flanigan (deputy White House Counsel under Gonzales);
    John Yoo (Deputy Assistant U.S. Attorney General)
    John Rizzo (Acting General Counsel of the CIA)
    Jay Bybee (Yoo’s boss, signed the torture memo);
    Robert Delahunty (co-author of the torture memo);

    Annamarina, thanks for signing off with the list of names.

    If only one representative of the people would do what Cato the Elder would do – i.e., begin and end each speech with this statement.

    • Replies: @Marais
    Cato, from the Carthaginian viewpoint, was an early neocon.
  208. @geokat62
    Annamarina, thanks for signing off with the list of names.

    If only one representative of the people would do what Cato the Elder would do - i.e., begin and end each speech with this statement.

    Cato, from the Carthaginian viewpoint, was an early neocon.

  209. @another fred

    The Soul's Desert - Robinson Jeffers

    August 30, 1939

    They are warming up the old horrors; and all that they say is echoes of echoes.
    Beware of taking sides; only watch.
    These are not criminals, nor hucksters and little journalists, but the governments
    Of the great nations; men favorably
    Representative of massed humanity. Observe them. Wrath and laughter
    Are quite irrelevant. Clearly it is time
    To become disillusioned, each person to enter his own soul's desert
    And look for God--having seen man.
     

    Robinson Jeffers was a misnthrope, is that the right word.? I live near Monterey and Carmel where he built a stone tower like a medieval castle, small scale, at his home. You can visit them. 1920s

    Jeffers is a strong voice, but unfortunately uninformed by evolutionary thinking, and consequantly an All of Nothing kind of guy.

    I liked his line, I would rather kill a man than a hawk…he had nursed an injured hawk back to health.

    Personally, there are lots of alleged men I would like to kill, our racial enemies, to put it bluntly.

    Joe Webb

    • Replies: @another fred

    Robinson Jeffers was a misnthrope, is that the right word.?
     
    I assume "misnthrope" was a typo for misanthrope (anthro for "man", like anthropology (study of man) or anthropoid ape (manlike ape).

    Anyway, I think Jeffers was more skeptical about the works of man than with man. His dark view encompassed far more than man, but he saw "dark beauty" in nature in spite of the violence and death there. He saw man as having cut himself off from nature as was the hawk in "Hurt Hawks" you referenced (see "The Purse Seine").

    Jeffers was a bit of a "one-eyed son of a bitch" (in cummings term) in that he did not appreciate the beauty in life very much, but he did not see the dark side of life any darker than did the prophets or great writers like e. e. cummings or William Faulkner. What distinguished him was his inability to find much of redemptive value in the joys of life just as cummings ability to do so has endeared him to so many.

    I think people make the mistake of thinking he did not see clearly with that skeptical eye because he could not see much at all with the eye that should see the beauty in life.

    To paraphrase the "John Denver & The Muppets" album, he could not open both his eyes.

  210. @Sean
    "Generations" ago perhaps. Israel needed land once, it doesn't now it has the West Bank. Iran is the main target of Israel because Iran is backing the Palestinians like Iraq was. Israel needs to solve the the West bank Palestinian problem. They are not giving up and drifting away as Israeli strategists hoped. Israel does not need any more west banks, so the idea that it wants to take territory is outdated. The border walls are a sign of wanting to keep what they have walled in, but some West Bank areas are outside the wall. As far as I can see there isn't any appetite for further territorial expansion in Israel.

    “Israel needed land once, it doesn’t now ….”
    Your statement would be stronger if Israel has set its borders. There are no permanent Israeli borders (like there is no Israeli Constitution). The uncertainty works to “madden the waters,” figuratively speaking, for “fishing expeditions.” The desirability of balkanization of the Middle East has been stated by prominent Israeli politicians and historians for too many times to simply dispose with the statement. It is quite possible that the Israel’s involvement in the destabilization of ME would be the greatest stain on the history of Jewish people – as well as the ground for undoing the modern state of Israel. The morality-laced rationale for supporting Israel has deteriorated to the point that the support is gradually becoming immoral. Rather a sad story…

  211. @geokat62

    Actually, it’s easier to list a reference...
     
    While I agree it may be easier, it doesn't have the same impact as seeing these names repeated over and over again.

    P.S. Leading members of the George W Bush administration along with Blair and the leading neocons/Israel firsters must be brought to justice for the crime of launching an aggressive war against Iraq. The names of the leading neocon/Israel firsters are:

    Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Douglas Feith, Lewis Scooter Libby, Michael Ledeen, The Kagan clan, including Victoria Nudelman, The Kristol clan, The Podhoretz clan, David and Meyrav Wurmser, Joe Lieberman, Chuck Schumer, John Hagee, Pat Robertson, Elliot Abrams, Eliot A. Cohen, Eliot Engel, Charles Krauthammer, David Frum, John Bolton, Jennifer Rubin, Joshua Muravchik, Michael Rubin, Ed Royce, Daniel Pipes, Marc Grossman, James Woolsey, Michael Chertoff, Sheldon Adelson, Rudy Giuliani, Newt Gingrich.

    it doesn’t have the same impact as seeing these names repeated over and over again.

    imo it would have more impact if the names were listed in a column rather than in a paragraph

    Paul Wolfowitz,
    Richard Perle,
    Douglas Feith,
    Lewis Scooter Libby,
    Michael Ledeen,
    The Kagan clan, including Victoria Nudelman,
    The Kristol clan,
    The Podhoretz clan,
    David and Meyrav Wurmser,
    Joe Lieberman,
    Chuck Schumer,
    John Hagee,
    Pat Robertson,
    Elliot Abrams,
    Eliot A. Cohen,
    Eliot Engel,
    Charles Krauthammer,
    David Frum,
    John Bolton,
    Jennifer Rubin,
    Joshua Muravchik,
    Michael Rubin,
    Ed Royce,
    Daniel Pipes,
    Marc Grossman,
    James Woolsey,
    Michael Chertoff,
    Sheldon Adelson,
    Rudy Giuliani,
    Newt Gingrich.

    • Replies: @annamaria
    Agree. This format is better. "Leading members of the George W Bush administration along with Blair and the leading neocons/Israel firsters must be brought to justice for the crime of launching an aggressive war against Iraq. The names of the leading neocon/Israel firsters are:"
    Paul Wolfowitz,
    Richard Perle,
    Douglas Feith,
    Lewis Scooter Libby,
    Michael Ledeen,
    The Kagan clan, including Victoria Nudelman,
    The Kristol clan,
    The Podhoretz clan,
    David and Meyrav Wurmser,
    Joe Lieberman,
    Chuck Schumer,
    John Hagee,
    Pat Robertson,
    Elliot Abrams,
    Eliot A. Cohen,
    Eliot Engel,
    Charles Krauthammer,
    David Frum,
    John Bolton,
    Jennifer Rubin,
    Joshua Muravchik,
    Michael Rubin,
    Ed Royce,
    Daniel Pipes,
    Marc Grossman,
    James Woolsey,
    Michael Chertoff,
    Sheldon Adelson,
    Rudy Giuliani,
    Newt Gingrich.
    , @geokat62
    I like it.
  212. @joe webb
    Robinson Jeffers was a misnthrope, is that the right word.? I live near Monterey and Carmel where he built a stone tower like a medieval castle, small scale, at his home. You can visit them. 1920s

    Jeffers is a strong voice, but unfortunately uninformed by evolutionary thinking, and consequantly an All of Nothing kind of guy.

    I liked his line, I would rather kill a man than a hawk...he had nursed an injured hawk back to health.

    Personally, there are lots of alleged men I would like to kill, our racial enemies, to put it bluntly.

    Joe Webb

    Robinson Jeffers was a misnthrope, is that the right word.?

    I assume “misnthrope” was a typo for misanthrope (anthro for “man”, like anthropology (study of man) or anthropoid ape (manlike ape).

    Anyway, I think Jeffers was more skeptical about the works of man than with man. His dark view encompassed far more than man, but he saw “dark beauty” in nature in spite of the violence and death there. He saw man as having cut himself off from nature as was the hawk in “Hurt Hawks” you referenced (see “The Purse Seine”).

    Jeffers was a bit of a “one-eyed son of a bitch” (in cummings term) in that he did not appreciate the beauty in life very much, but he did not see the dark side of life any darker than did the prophets or great writers like e. e. cummings or William Faulkner. What distinguished him was his inability to find much of redemptive value in the joys of life just as cummings ability to do so has endeared him to so many.

    I think people make the mistake of thinking he did not see clearly with that skeptical eye because he could not see much at all with the eye that should see the beauty in life.

    To paraphrase the “John Denver & The Muppets” album, he could not open both his eyes.

    • Replies: @joe webb
    thanks for expanding of Jeffers. He was , after all, a fine poet, IMHO.

    Joe Webb
  213. @Sean
    "Generations" ago perhaps. Israel needed land once, it doesn't now it has the West Bank. Iran is the main target of Israel because Iran is backing the Palestinians like Iraq was. Israel needs to solve the the West bank Palestinian problem. They are not giving up and drifting away as Israeli strategists hoped. Israel does not need any more west banks, so the idea that it wants to take territory is outdated. The border walls are a sign of wanting to keep what they have walled in, but some West Bank areas are outside the wall. As far as I can see there isn't any appetite for further territorial expansion in Israel.

    “Israel needed land once, it doesn’t now …”

    You suggest some impossible purity for Israel’s intentions, whereas the facts on the ground tell a different story:
    “Israel has granted a U.S. company the first license to explore for oil and gas in the occupied Golan Heights, John Reed of the Financial Times reports. A local subsidiary of the New York-listed company Genie Energy — which is advised by former vice president Dick Cheney and whose shareholders include Jacob Rothschild and Rupert Murdoch — will now have exclusive rights to a 153-square mile radius in the southern part of the Golan Heights.
    That geographic location will likely prove controversial. Israel seized the Golan Heights in the Six-Day War in 1967 and annexed the territory in 1981. Its administration of the area — which is not recognized by international law — has been mostly peaceful until the Syrian civil war broke out 23 months ago. “This action is mostly political – it’s an attempt to deepen Israeli commitment to the occupied Golan Heights,” Israeli political analyst Yaron Ezrahi told FT. “The timing is directly related to the fact that the Syrian government is dealing with violence and chaos and is not free to deal with this problem.”
    http://www.businessinsider.com/israel-grants-golan-heights-oil-license-2013-2

    • Agree: geokat62
    • Replies: @Sean
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Levant

    Oh, I don't doubt that Israel would pursue maximal objectives if they could and the Diaspora were all crowded into a tiny Jewish state, but this time the Arabs would not leave, and would have to be killed. No more than the US could win the Vietnam war by exterminating the majority of the Vietnamese could Israel clear the population off any further conquered territory, which they do hot have the Jewish settlers to occupy anyway. The wall shows the Israelis are set on keeping what is inside it forever, but it serves the purpose of keeping the Israelis within. Iran is not part of Torah Israel and Iran is the main current target of Israel, because support for the West Bank Palestinians is the gravest threat. Even expulsion of the West Bank Palestinians would be something Israel would not dare do unless the region, including Jordan, was in chaos. Jordan is the key.

  214. @SolontoCroesus

    it doesn’t have the same impact as seeing these names repeated over and over again.
     
    imo it would have more impact if the names were listed in a column rather than in a paragraph

    Paul Wolfowitz,
    Richard Perle,
    Douglas Feith,
    Lewis Scooter Libby,
    Michael Ledeen,
    The Kagan clan, including Victoria Nudelman,
    The Kristol clan,
    The Podhoretz clan,
    David and Meyrav Wurmser,
    Joe Lieberman,
    Chuck Schumer,
    John Hagee,
    Pat Robertson,
    Elliot Abrams,
    Eliot A. Cohen,
    Eliot Engel,
    Charles Krauthammer,
    David Frum,
    John Bolton,
    Jennifer Rubin,
    Joshua Muravchik,
    Michael Rubin,
    Ed Royce,
    Daniel Pipes,
    Marc Grossman,
    James Woolsey,
    Michael Chertoff,
    Sheldon Adelson,
    Rudy Giuliani,
    Newt Gingrich.

    Agree. This format is better. “Leading members of the George W Bush administration along with Blair and the leading neocons/Israel firsters must be brought to justice for the crime of launching an aggressive war against Iraq. The names of the leading neocon/Israel firsters are:”
    Paul Wolfowitz,
    Richard Perle,
    Douglas Feith,
    Lewis Scooter Libby,
    Michael Ledeen,
    The Kagan clan, including Victoria Nudelman,
    The Kristol clan,
    The Podhoretz clan,
    David and Meyrav Wurmser,
    Joe Lieberman,
    Chuck Schumer,
    John Hagee,
    Pat Robertson,
    Elliot Abrams,
    Eliot A. Cohen,
    Eliot Engel,
    Charles Krauthammer,
    David Frum,
    John Bolton,
    Jennifer Rubin,
    Joshua Muravchik,
    Michael Rubin,
    Ed Royce,
    Daniel Pipes,
    Marc Grossman,
    James Woolsey,
    Michael Chertoff,
    Sheldon Adelson,
    Rudy Giuliani,
    Newt Gingrich.

    • Replies: @geokat62
    How's this:

    P.S. Leading members of the George W Bush administration along with Blair and the leading neocons/Israel firsters must be brought to justice for the crime of launching an aggressive war against Iraq. The names of the leading neocon/Israel firsters are:

    Paul Wolfowitz
    Richard Perle
    Douglas Feith
    Lewis Scooter Libby
    Michael Ledeen
    The Kagan clan, incl. Victoria Nudelman
    The Kristol clan
    The Podhoretz clan
    David and Meyrav Wurmser
    Joe Lieberman
    Chuck Schumer
    Alan Dershowitz
    John Hagee
    Pat Robertson
    Eternal World Television Network (EWTN)
    Elliot Abrams
    Eliot A. Cohen
    Eliot Engel
    Charles Krauthammer
    David Frum
    John Bolton
    Jennifer Rubin
    Joshua Muravchik
    Michael Rubin
    Ed Royce
    Daniel Pipes
    Marc Grossman
    James Woolsey
    Michael Chertoff
    Sheldon Adelson
    Rudy Giuliani
    Newt Gingrich

    The names of the torture facilitators are:

    Bruce Jessen (psychologist, master torturer)
    James Mitchell (Jessen’s partner, torture implementer)
    Alberto Gonzales (Attorney General)
    Timothy Flanigan (deputy White House Counsel under Gonzales);
    John Yoo (Deputy Assistant U.S. Attorney General)
    John Rizzo (Acting General Counsel of the CIA)
    Jay Bybee (Yoo’s boss, signed the torture memo);
    Robert Delahunty (co-author of the torture memo);
  215. @another fred

    Robinson Jeffers was a misnthrope, is that the right word.?
     
    I assume "misnthrope" was a typo for misanthrope (anthro for "man", like anthropology (study of man) or anthropoid ape (manlike ape).

    Anyway, I think Jeffers was more skeptical about the works of man than with man. His dark view encompassed far more than man, but he saw "dark beauty" in nature in spite of the violence and death there. He saw man as having cut himself off from nature as was the hawk in "Hurt Hawks" you referenced (see "The Purse Seine").

    Jeffers was a bit of a "one-eyed son of a bitch" (in cummings term) in that he did not appreciate the beauty in life very much, but he did not see the dark side of life any darker than did the prophets or great writers like e. e. cummings or William Faulkner. What distinguished him was his inability to find much of redemptive value in the joys of life just as cummings ability to do so has endeared him to so many.

    I think people make the mistake of thinking he did not see clearly with that skeptical eye because he could not see much at all with the eye that should see the beauty in life.

    To paraphrase the "John Denver & The Muppets" album, he could not open both his eyes.

    thanks for expanding of Jeffers. He was , after all, a fine poet, IMHO.

    Joe Webb

  216. @SolontoCroesus

    it doesn’t have the same impact as seeing these names repeated over and over again.
     
    imo it would have more impact if the names were listed in a column rather than in a paragraph

    Paul Wolfowitz,
    Richard Perle,
    Douglas Feith,
    Lewis Scooter Libby,
    Michael Ledeen,
    The Kagan clan, including Victoria Nudelman,
    The Kristol clan,
    The Podhoretz clan,
    David and Meyrav Wurmser,
    Joe Lieberman,
    Chuck Schumer,
    John Hagee,
    Pat Robertson,
    Elliot Abrams,
    Eliot A. Cohen,
    Eliot Engel,
    Charles Krauthammer,
    David Frum,
    John Bolton,
    Jennifer Rubin,
    Joshua Muravchik,
    Michael Rubin,
    Ed Royce,
    Daniel Pipes,
    Marc Grossman,
    James Woolsey,
    Michael Chertoff,
    Sheldon Adelson,
    Rudy Giuliani,
    Newt Gingrich.

    I like it.

  217. @annamaria
    Agree. This format is better. "Leading members of the George W Bush administration along with Blair and the leading neocons/Israel firsters must be brought to justice for the crime of launching an aggressive war against Iraq. The names of the leading neocon/Israel firsters are:"
    Paul Wolfowitz,
    Richard Perle,
    Douglas Feith,
    Lewis Scooter Libby,
    Michael Ledeen,
    The Kagan clan, including Victoria Nudelman,
    The Kristol clan,
    The Podhoretz clan,
    David and Meyrav Wurmser,
    Joe Lieberman,
    Chuck Schumer,
    John Hagee,
    Pat Robertson,
    Elliot Abrams,
    Eliot A. Cohen,
    Eliot Engel,
    Charles Krauthammer,
    David Frum,
    John Bolton,
    Jennifer Rubin,
    Joshua Muravchik,
    Michael Rubin,
    Ed Royce,
    Daniel Pipes,
    Marc Grossman,
    James Woolsey,
    Michael Chertoff,
    Sheldon Adelson,
    Rudy Giuliani,
    Newt Gingrich.

    How’s this:

    P.S. Leading members of the George W Bush administration along with Blair and the leading neocons/Israel firsters must be brought to justice for the crime of launching an aggressive war against Iraq. The names of the leading neocon/Israel firsters are:

    Paul Wolfowitz
    Richard Perle
    Douglas Feith
    Lewis Scooter Libby
    Michael Ledeen
    The Kagan clan, incl. Victoria Nudelman
    The Kristol clan
    The Podhoretz clan
    David and Meyrav Wurmser
    Joe Lieberman
    Chuck Schumer
    Alan Dershowitz
    John Hagee
    Pat Robertson
    Eternal World Television Network (EWTN)
    Elliot Abrams
    Eliot A. Cohen
    Eliot Engel
    Charles Krauthammer
    David Frum
    John Bolton
    Jennifer Rubin
    Joshua Muravchik
    Michael Rubin
    Ed Royce
    Daniel Pipes
    Marc Grossman
    James Woolsey
    Michael Chertoff
    Sheldon Adelson
    Rudy Giuliani
    Newt Gingrich

    The names of the torture facilitators are:

    Bruce Jessen (psychologist, master torturer)
    James Mitchell (Jessen’s partner, torture implementer)
    Alberto Gonzales (Attorney General)
    Timothy Flanigan (deputy White House Counsel under Gonzales);
    John Yoo (Deputy Assistant U.S. Attorney General)
    John Rizzo (Acting General Counsel of the CIA)
    Jay Bybee (Yoo’s boss, signed the torture memo);
    Robert Delahunty (co-author of the torture memo);

  218. @annamaria
    "Israel needed land once, it doesn’t now ..."

    You suggest some impossible purity for Israel's intentions, whereas the facts on the ground tell a different story:
    "Israel has granted a U.S. company the first license to explore for oil and gas in the occupied Golan Heights, John Reed of the Financial Times reports. A local subsidiary of the New York-listed company Genie Energy — which is advised by former vice president Dick Cheney and whose shareholders include Jacob Rothschild and Rupert Murdoch — will now have exclusive rights to a 153-square mile radius in the southern part of the Golan Heights.
    That geographic location will likely prove controversial. Israel seized the Golan Heights in the Six-Day War in 1967 and annexed the territory in 1981. Its administration of the area — which is not recognized by international law — has been mostly peaceful until the Syrian civil war broke out 23 months ago. "This action is mostly political – it’s an attempt to deepen Israeli commitment to the occupied Golan Heights," Israeli political analyst Yaron Ezrahi told FT. "The timing is directly related to the fact that the Syrian government is dealing with violence and chaos and is not free to deal with this problem."
    http://www.businessinsider.com/israel-grants-golan-heights-oil-license-2013-2

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Levant

    Oh, I don’t doubt that Israel would pursue maximal objectives if they could and the Diaspora were all crowded into a tiny Jewish state, but this time the Arabs would not leave, and would have to be killed. No more than the US could win the Vietnam war by exterminating the majority of the Vietnamese could Israel clear the population off any further conquered territory, which they do hot have the Jewish settlers to occupy anyway. The wall shows the Israelis are set on keeping what is inside it forever, but it serves the purpose of keeping the Israelis within. Iran is not part of Torah Israel and Iran is the main current target of Israel, because support for the West Bank Palestinians is the gravest threat. Even expulsion of the West Bank Palestinians would be something Israel would not dare do unless the region, including Jordan, was in chaos. Jordan is the key.

  219. @Sherman
    Just as I thought. You're unemployed.

    Of course they are, Sherman. Have you ever met a rabid judeophobe that wasn’t an unemployed alcoholic on disability for ‘vaguely defined back pain’?

  220. KA [AKA "Carthage"] says:

    “”Whenever the West is attacked and our innocents are killed, we usually wipe the memory bank. Thus, when reporters told us that the 129 dead in Paris represented the worst atrocity in France since the Second World War, they failed to mention the 1961 Paris massacre of up to 200 Algerians participating in an illegal march against France’s savage colonial war in Algeria. Most were murdered by the French police, many were tortured in the Palais des Sports and their bodies thrown into the Seine. The French only admit 40 dead. The police officer in charge was Maurice Papon, who worked for Petain’s collaborationist Vichy police in the Second World War, deporting more than a thousand Jews to their deaths.”

    Robert Fisk in. http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/11/17/the-shadow-of-algeria-the-lost-context-of-the-paris-attacks/

    This experience might explain the lack of the political involvement of the middle eastern in European politics leaving the space to the fanatics to vent the grievances in most violent hateful murderous way. Middle eastern are demonized because of their culinary sartorial or religious expression or practices. This undermines the confidence of the middle easternerand prevents them to get politically engaged .

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